Mike Huckabee: Big in Alabama

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He’s a theocrat who has said he wants to rewrite the Constitution to make it more like the Bible, he’s a creationist, a homophobe, a smiling Fox News host — and that makes him a perfect candidate for Alabama: Alabama poll: Mike Huckabee is 2012 front-runner.

In a reminder of his strength with social conservatives, Mike Huckabee leads his nearest GOP competitor by 10 percentage points, according to a new poll of Alabama Republicans.

Thirty-three percent of Alabama Republicans polled support the former Arkansas governor for the 2012 presidential nomination, while 23 percent said they would back Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice presidential nominee. The next closest Republican to Huckabee and Palin is former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who takes 12 percent of the vote.

The survey, commissioned by a Montgomery-based public affairs company, is to be released Tuesday.

It illustrates the support Huckabee still enjoys among the sort of Christian conservative voters who dominate GOP primaries in the South. Even after he was thought to be out of the running in his 2008 bid for the Republican presidential nomination, the Arkansan won a slew of Southern states, including Alabama, on Super Tuesday.

I never thought the people of Alabama would support such a lousy bass player.

Also in the running — another theocrat, Judge Roy Moore, who wants to criminalize homosexuality and execute gay people.

Still, two years out from when the first votes will be cast in the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, the contest remains fluid. Twenty-four percent of Alabama Republicans said they were undecided on whom to support in the race.

They are equally uncertain about their nominee for governor this year. With Republican Gov. Bob Riley term-limited, the GOP field appears to be open. Bradley Byrne, a former state legislator who ran the state’s community college system under Riley, is the favorite among 20 percent of the likely primary voters, while former Judge Roy Moore, famous for his effort to keep the Ten Commandments in his courtroom, captures 17 percent. But 46 percent of those polled said they’re undecided four months before the state’s primary.

Moore is a favorite of social conservatives and leads Byrne 24 percent to 18 percent among those Republicans who call themselves “very conservative.”

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236 comments
1 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:37am

You forgot to mention squirrel fryer.

2 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:09:29am

re: #1 Silvergirl

And friend of Chuck...

3 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:09:46am

As long as we're slamming Huck don't forget he helped get two people released early from jail who went onto kill more people once they were free again.

So much for him playing well with the "tough on crime" crowd....

4 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:10:54am

As someone who lives in Alabama, I have to say that this is not terribly surprising. Although the bit about Roy Moore is little excessive, he has run for several offices and not been elected here....

Contrary to popular belief, we are not all idiots in this state....

5 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:11:06am

Oog. Alabama beclowns itself again.

6 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:11:37am

Also

"It illustrates the support Huckabee still enjoys among the sort of Christian conservative voters who dominate GOP primaries in the South."

It sadly seems like you can just stop the sentence before "in the" and it wouldn't be any less true at the moment but then I'm a liberal and I don't pay that much attention to the GOP primaries.....

7 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:11:44am

This is that wheel in the ditch Neil Young sang about.

8 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:37am

re: #4 srb1976

No. Polling for 2012 is crazy pontificating at this point.

9 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:35am

How convenient for them that two of the top three potential 2012 GOP candidates work for Fox News and can actually draw a salary and get a platform to speak on at the same time.

10 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:39am

re: #1 Silvergirl

In a popcorn popper to boot.

11 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:15am

just wail til he's the president...chew on that

12 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:16am

re: #8 prairiefire

No. Polling for 2012 is crazy pontificating at this point.

But its only another 9 months to the midterm elections and you know they gotta start up their presidential campaigns right after that!

/Gag....

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:44am

12 percent of Alabama would vote for a Mormon? Things are not as bad there as I thought.

14 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:15:47am

I would actually take Palin over Huckabee. *shudder*

15 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:57am

re: #14 Oh no...Sand People!

I would actually take Palin over Huckabee. *shudder*

Put a gun to my head and force me choose between those two, and I might actually think about option three.

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:17am

re: #14 Oh no...Sand People!

I would actually take Palin over Huckabee. *shudder*

I suppose it depends if you want moose burgers or roasted squirrel.

17 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:18:25am

Yes, I am going this low:

This representing us:

Image: 1182522683_1965.jpg

Or this:

Image: huckabee_family_photo.jpg

If we have to lose...might as well look good doing it.

18 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:18:27am

re: #13 EmmmieG

12 percent of Alabama would vote for a Mormon? Things are not as bad there as I thought.

Probably more that 12 percent would vote for him, if he had better "pro-life" credibility....one thing I have to admit is that the social conservatives win around here.....even our dems are social conservatives mostly

19 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:19:57am

re: #15 Girth

Put a gun to my head and force me choose between those two, and I might actually think about option three.

I've seen Huckabee on the Daily Show twice, at least he seems to be capable of putting up the facade of being a good natured guy who can have an intelligent discussion, though I suppose that's saying he can manage to appear sane isn't exactly setting a very high bar....

20 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:09am

re: #17 Oh no...Sand People!

Yes, I am going this low:

This representing us:

[Link: cache.boston.com...]

Or this:

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

If we have to lose...might as well look good doing it.

I'd go with that second group, they look more like real Americans, the people in the first photo are too skinny.

21 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:12am

the south: a tumor, a cancer, a parasite, an abnormal growth or cyst.

22 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:14am

OT: Sure, but she was a virgin!

An Arab ambassador called off his wedding after discovering his wife-to-be, who had worn a face-covering veil whenever they met, was bearded and cross-eyed, the Gulf News reported Wednesday.
The envoy had only met the woman a few times, during which she had hidden her face behind a niqab, or face-covering veil, the paper said.
After the marriage contract was signed, the ambassador attempted to kiss his bride-to-be, upon which he discovered she had facial hair and was cross-eyed, it said.

23 political lunatic  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:42am

Why is it almost always cranky old white men who say this crap?

24 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:35am

re: #20 jamesfirecat

I'd go with that second group, they look more like real Americans, the people in the first photo are too skinny.

And that...is why [we] fail. - Master Yoda, [ed. by ONSP]

25 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:41am

re: #17 Oh no...Sand People!

I forgot about that Huckabee family photo.

Quite honestly, if one of my parents told me that we were going to take a family picture and that they wanted me to wear the same clothes as my dad and brother, I'd look them in the eye and tell them that they were out of their f'in mind.

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:53am

re: #19 jamesfirecat

Vote for me, I'm not a screaming loon! is not exactly a catchy slogan.

27 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:59am

We can thank Huckabee for getting us McCain as the GOP contender in 2008 instead of Mitt Romney.

28 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:23:29am

re: #26 EmmmieG

Vote for me, I'm not a screaming loon! is not exactly a catchy slogan.

It is (or at least its an effective one) when you're pitted up against a screaming loon.

29 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:23:44am

re: #19 jamesfirecat

I've seen Huckabee on the Daily Show twice, at least he seems to be capable of putting up the facade of being a good natured guy who can have an intelligent discussion, though I suppose that's saying he can manage to appear sane isn't exactly setting a very high bar...

Huckabee is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He comes off like the kind gentle pastor from the old clay animation Davie and Goliath. But on policy he is evil.

30 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:23:53am

re: #21 spacejesus

the south: a tumor, a cancer, a parasite, an abnormal growth or cyst.

And we love you, too!
*smooch*

31 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:06am

re: #27 cliffster

We can thank Huckabee for getting us McCain as the GOP contender in 2008 instead of Mitt Romney.

How did that happen exactly?

Once again catnip smoking liberal so don't pay that close attention to GOP primaries....

32 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:16am

re: #1 Silvergirl

You forgot to mention squirrel fryer.

Hey now, my granny was a lover of fried squirrel. And she could probably out play The Huck on bass (which ain't saying much). To bad she's dead, she'd be a great president.

33 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:18am
34 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:20am

re: #27 cliffster

We can thank Huckabee for getting us McCain as the GOP contender in 2008 instead of Mitt Romney.

I'm not even a huge Mitt fan either, but he does have business sense.....which obviously doesn't mean a thing in politics...so now I am only voting on looks and image, forget content and character...as we all did with this last election.

35 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:42am

re: #29 Petero1818

Huckabee is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He comes off like the kind gentle pastor from the old clay animation Davie and Goliath. But on policy he is evil.

DEAMON SHEEP!

36 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:25:19am

re: #25 Girth

I forgot about that Huckabee family photo.

Quite honestly, if one of my parents told me that we were going to take a family picture and that they wanted me to wear the same clothes as my dad and brother, I'd look them in the eye and tell them that they were out of their f'in mind.

Fabric store. Pattern books. Costume section.

There are "family" costumes, in which grown men model giant versions of their kids costumes. Not a pirate costume, or a star wars costume. Giant doggy costumes, and so on.

I keep thinking that if Mr. EmmmieG is ever willing to wear one of those, I will know the end of the world is approaching.

37 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:25:29am

Shocking that a GOP candidate would be labeled a theocrat. My comments regarding the growing GOP embrace of theocracy stirred up quite the shit-storm on the previous thread.

38 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:25:59am

re: #33 spacejesus

wtf?

39 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:26:34am

re: #34 Oh no...Sand People!

I'm not even a huge Mitt fan either, but he does have business sense...which obviously doesn't mean a thing in politics...so now I am only voting on looks and image, forget content and character...as we all did with this last election.

Ray Nagin was a businessman.
New Orleans decided this time around to go back to electing politicians (Mitch Landrieu).

40 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:26:44am

re: #38 Aceofwhat?

wtf?

omg!

41 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:26:51am

re: #37 drcordell

Shocking that a GOP candidate would be labeled a theocrat. My comments regarding the growing GOP embrace of theocracy stirred up quite the shit-storm on the previous thread.

kindly note the difference between identifying one and spraying the rest of us with paint from your barn-sized brush.

42 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:27:08am

re: #38 Aceofwhat?

wtf?

The evils of the south are a regular feature of SpaceJesus' posts.

43 political lunatic  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:27:21am

re: #33 spacejesus

Earth Jesus does not approve.

44 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:27:21am

re: #17 Oh no...Sand People!

Yes, I am going this low:

This representing us:

[Link: cache.boston.com...]

Or this:

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

If we have to lose...might as well look good doing it.

I must add an addendum:

Or this representing us:

Image: 2810238669_b17cf07023.jpg

..guess as long as she doesn't talk...ever. This is strictly based on image and looks. Romney *looks* presidential...Palin will at least get my gawker vote.

45 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:27:45am

re: #31 jamesfirecat

How did that happen exactly?

Once again catnip smoking liberal so don't pay that close attention to GOP primaries...

Huckabee "didn't major in math, he majors in miracles."

Plus backroom deals with the McCain people during the primary.

46 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:27:59am
47 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:28:02am

re: #42 reine.de.tout

The evils of the south are a regular feature of SpaceJesus' posts.

Oh. Because when i moved across the MD line, I sold my soul to the debil.

Sheesh.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:28:05am

re: #44 Oh no...Sand People!

Mind if I doubt the veracity of that last photo?

49 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:28:21am

re: #48 EmmmieG

Mind if I doubt the veracity of that last photo?

I was just thinking the same thing.

50 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:29:05am

re: #41 Aceofwhat?

kindly note the difference between identifying one and spraying the rest of us with paint from your barn-sized brush.

If you chose to identify yourself with statements I made, so be it. But nowhere was I "spraying" paint everywhere. I stated that the GOP's planks are explicitly theocratic. Whether or not you decide that applies to you is your own determination.

51 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:29:07am

re: #48 EmmmieG

Mind if I doubt the veracity of that last photo?

If I remember right...that one is actually legit...but I could be, and am most likely, wrong.

52 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:29:38am

re: #42 reine.de.tout

The evils of the south are a regular feature of SpaceJesus' posts.

SpaceJesus: the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

53 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:29:50am

re: #47 Aceofwhat?

Oh. Because when i moved across the MD line, I sold my soul to the debil.

Sheesh.

Yankee carpetbagger.

54 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:30:19am

re: #39 reine.de.tout

Ray Nagin was a businessman.
New Orleans decided this time around to go back to electing politicians (Mitch Landrieu).

Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism.

55 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:30:28am

re: #48 EmmmieG

Mind if I doubt the veracity of that last photo?

But you must understand that photoshop and her face will be our only weapons of coping with a term of her presidency.

56 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:30:36am

re: #52 freetoken

SpaceJesus: the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

I prefer the Cliff Notes Version

"yawn"

57 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:30:37am

re: #51 Oh no...Sand People!

If I remember right...that one is actually legit...but I could be, and am most likely, wrong.

Something about the neck seems entirely wrong, but the image is scaled (among other processing), so it's difficult to tell. Either way, very much not my favorite image of her, although she is kinda cute when she tries.

58 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:30:51am

re: #54 drcordell

Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism.

Now you are just being stupid.

59 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:31:09am

re: #38 Aceofwhat?

wtf?


just kidding. the cubans can do whatever they want with the place though once president spacejesus sells it to them for 4 dollars.

60 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:31:19am

re: #54 drcordell

Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism.

Well did he run those companies into the ground? Because if he didn't that makes him a better business man than some other politicians I can think of....

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:31:29am

re: #4 srb1976

As someone who lives in Alabama, I have to say that this is not terribly surprising. Although the bit about Roy Moore is little excessive, he has run for several offices and not been elected here...

Contrary to popular belief, we are not all idiots in this state...

OK, so there's two of us.

62 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:31:45am

re: #58 Oh no...Sand People!

Now you are just being stupid.

Care to address the point that I raised with any facts? Or is that an acknowledgment that yes, Romney inherited his job from his father, but no you don't find it relevant?

63 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:31:45am

re: #33 spacejesus

enslave all white southerners

What the hell are you going on about, SJ?

Having a bad day?

64 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:32:09am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

OK, so there's two of us.

You had an out there. There's a Decatur in Illinois. You didn't have to claim to be one of THEM./

65 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:32:31am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

OK, so there's two of us.

I've got a pile of cousins in Huntsville who are progressives.

66 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:32:45am

re: #62 drcordell

Care to address the point that I raised with any facts? Or is that an acknowledgment that yes, Romney inherited his job from his father, but no you don't find it relevant?

2002 winter olympics.

*Knock out*

ONSP: 1
Doc: 0

Game.Set.Match

67 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:32:55am

re: #44 Oh no...Sand People!

I must add an addendum:

Or this representing us:

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

..guess as long as she doesn't talk...ever. This is strictly based on image and looks. Romney *looks* presidential...Palin will at least get my gawker vote.

Globular clusters.

68 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:32:56am

re: #45 Silvergirl

Huckabee "didn't major in math, he majors in miracles."

Plus backroom deals with the McCain people during the primary.

Well I did major in math, and I don't see him making any miracles happen.

69 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:33:00am

re: #54 drcordell

Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism.

Okey-dokey.
Whatever

70 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:33:05am

re: #54 drcordell

Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism.

Did his father also hand him the keys to the olympics that were mired in red ink and turned a profit??!?!

71 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:33:47am

re: #62 drcordell

Lots of sons work for their fathers, you know. It's not exactly unheard of.

You don't have to give him credit for getting the job, but you can still give him credit for working the job.

And I don't like him one bit.

72 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:01am

re: #64 thedopefishlives

You had an out there. There's a Decatur in Illinois. You didn't have to claim to be one of THEM./

eh...there's a decatur in EVERY state (I believe)....

73 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:11am

re: #1 Silvergirl

You forgot to mention squirrel fryer.

We Southerners are more health conscious nowadays, and much prefer baked squirrel.

McCain beat Huckabee in SC, though it couldn't really be termed "a thumpin'".

74 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:15am

re: #72 srb1976

eh...there's a decatur in EVERY state (I believe)...

That's Springfield.

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:21am

Then people cry that Romney made a schload of companies profitable by downsizing them and laying off a lot of employees. Well, when they are mismanaged...you do what you have to do. Then when they come back to profitability under a proper / revamped business model you can eventually hire back.

76 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:29am

re: #54 drcordell

Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism.

Dude, perhaps you have some unresolved daddy issues.

77 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:46am

re: #71 Obdicut

Lots of sons work for their fathers, you know. It's not exactly unheard of.

You don't have to give him credit for getting the job, but you can still give him credit for working the job.

And I don't like him one bit.

Oh I realize all too well that nepotism is now the American way. And I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office.

78 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:35:49am

re: #22 Buck

OT: Sure, but she was a virgin!

An Arab ambassador called off his wedding after discovering his wife-to-be, who had worn a face-covering veil whenever they met, was bearded and cross-eyed, the Gulf News reported Wednesday.
The envoy had only met the woman a few times, during which she had hidden her face behind a niqab, or face-covering veil, the paper said.
After the marriage contract was signed, the ambassador attempted to kiss his bride-to-be, upon which he discovered she had facial hair and was cross-eyed, it said.

Some guys are so picky.

79 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:36:06am

re: #68 Girth

Well I did major in math, and I don't see him making any miracles happen.

They didn't happen in the election either. When there was no way in heaven or on earth he could have won the thing, he stubbornly and vengefully stayed in the race. Romney stepped aside. Emotion and childishness vs. logic and maturity.

80 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:36:10am

re: #50 drcordell

If you chose to identify yourself with statements I made, so be it. But nowhere was I "spraying" paint everywhere. I stated that the GOP's planks are explicitly theocratic. Whether or not you decide that applies to you is your own determination.

I remember "our military is on a christian hellbender" (my generalization, not your exact words...but close enough) supported by three of the weakest anecdotes i've seen in a long, long time. but perhaps my memory is letting me down. i am open to being corrected.

81 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:36:29am

re: #70 sattv4u2

Did his father also hand him the keys to the olympics that were mired in red ink and turned a profit??!?!

Nagin, of course, failed miserably in his responsibilities to the citizens of New Orleans, and was actually in Dallas, TX, with his family buying a new home while those folks sweltered at the dome. But hey - let's talk about Romney instead.

82 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:36:49am

re: #65 Jeff In Ohio

I've got a pile of cousins in Huntsville who are progressives.

Huntsville is a very strange city.....
Lots of civilian defense people, and rocket scientists....nice place

83 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:37:04am

re: #77 drcordell

What makes you fit for office is people voting you into that office.

84 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:37:05am

re: #21 spacejesus

the south: a tumor, a cancer, a parasite, an abnormal growth or cyst.

I'm not going to downding you SJ. You want that, you gotta have it, so I'm punishing you by not flogging you. Or am I....?

85 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:37:18am

re: #76 Petero1818

Dude, perhaps you have some unresolved daddy issues.

Personal attack? But why?

86 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:37:24am

re: #76 Petero1818

Dude, perhaps you have some unresolved daddy issues.

I thought it's Republicans who are always talking about how one should be able to "pull one's self up from one's own bootstraps." Ironically it's usually Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, or Chris Wallace making the point.

87 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:37:57am

re: #81 reine.de.tout

Nagin, of course, failed miserably in his responsibilities to the citizens of New Orleans, and was actually in Dallas, TX, with his family buying a new home while those folks sweltered at the dome. But hey - let's talk about Romney instead.

And we all know that John Kerry's wealth is a direct result of his savvy work in...oops, no, wait - scratch that.

88 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:37:58am

re: #76 Petero1818

Dude, perhaps you have some unresolved daddy issues.

MY FATHER WAS A SAINT, THE BASTARD!

/

89 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:38:39am

re: #77 drcordell

Oh I realize all too well that nepotism is now the American way. And I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office.

So we were supposed to guess at your point? You just barely introduced it. Not a single poster here has said he was fit for office.

Let's move the goal posts some more shall we.

90 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:38:43am

re: #74 thedopefishlives

That's Springfield.

From up here you can see all four states that border Springfield: Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky!

91 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:38:45am

re: #77 drcordell

Oh I realize all too well that nepotism is now the American way. And I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office.

BULLSHIT ,,

Nothing in your #54 addressed ANYTHING about hloding office. It was a screed about nepotism.

Now ,, care to address # 70!?!?

92 Dona Quixote  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:39:01am

re: #65 Jeff In Ohio

Hey, I've got a bunch of progressive relatives in Huntsville....is Huntsville that progressive?

93 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:39:47am

re: #91 sattv4u2

BULLSHIT ,,

Nothing in your #54 addressed ANYTHING about hloding office. It was a screed about nepotism.

Now ,, care to address # 70!?!?

GMTA!

94 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:40:27am

re: #86 drcordell

I thought it's Republicans who are always talking about how one should be able to "pull one's self up from one's own bootstraps." Ironically it's usually Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, or Chris Wallace making the point.

Having been born and raised in Boston, I've heard MANY Kennedys say the same thing!

(not to mention Al Gore!)

95 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:40:40am

re: #77 drcordell

Oh I realize all too well that nepotism is now the American way. And I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office.

And you're not alone, as the candidacy of Steve Forbes showed, back when.

96 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:40:47am

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

And we all know that John Kerry's wealth is a direct result of his savvy work in...oops, no, wait - scratch that.

Last I recall his wealth is because he married a rich woman, same strategy that worked for Jon McCain....

97 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:40:49am

re: #77 drcordell

Oh I realize all too well that nepotism is now the American way. And I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office.

Where to begin.
1. Lets start with "Nepotism is now the American way." The truth is that Nepotism is probably at an all time low in the US. Many companies have strict policies against it that were only developed in the last 20 years. In addition, nepotism is far more prevalent in many other parts of the world.

2. "and I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office"
so what did you mean by " Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism."

these two statements don't sync up.

98 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:41:18am

re: #96 jamesfirecat

Last I recall his wealth is because he married a rich woman, same strategy that worked for Jon McCain...

and john kerry too

99 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:41:24am

re: #92 Dona Quixote

Hey, I've got a bunch of progressive relatives in Huntsville...is Huntsville that progressive?

If you can't trust geographical regional stereotypes, what can you trust?

100 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:41:32am

re: #65 Jeff In Ohio

I've got a pile of cousins in Huntsville who are progressives.

Furrin Yankee rocket scientists.

101 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:41:42am

re: #80 Aceofwhat?

I remember "our military is on a christian hellbender" (my generalization, not your exact words...but close enough) supported by three of the weakest anecdotes i've seen in a long, long time. but perhaps my memory is letting me down. i am open to being corrected.

I'll attempt to correct the record right here. Bagua stated that our military had "no Christian influence" whatsoever.

And I provided three clear-cut examples that disproved his assertion. Which apparently you deign completely unacceptable? I will provide the substantive proof here yet again. If you're going to continue to label me a liar, please at least take the time to factually disprove the information I am putting forth.

BIBLE VERSES ON MILITARY RIFLE SCOPES: (link from the leftist Navy Times)
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

VIDEO OF U.S. TROOPS IN PRAYER MEETING DISCUSSING ACTIVELY PROSELYTIZING CHRISTIANITY:

COVER SHEETS OF TOP SECRET BRIEFINGS ON IRAQ WAR WITH BIBLE VERSES PRINTED ON THE FRONT:
[Link: www.gq.com...]

102 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:41:54am

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

And we all know that John Kerry's wealth is a direct result of his savvy work in...oops, no, wait - scratch that.

in bed.

103 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:41:58am

re: #82 srb1976

re: #92 Dona Quixote

Dunno. Family reunion time we all meet in Pikeville, Tennessee and all of them are fun to be with, fun to talk to and musicians of some sort.

104 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:42:03am

re: #98 srb1976

and john kerry too

Dude, my statement was addressing how Jon Kerry got his wealth to start with....

105 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:42:19am

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

And we all know that John Kerry's wealth is a direct result of his savvy work in...oops, no, wait - scratch that.

Nobody here likes Kerry either.

106 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:42:54am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Furrin Yankee rocket scientists.

I saw something awhile back (can't really remember now) that said that Huntsvill has more engineers per capita than nearly anywhere else in the states (there may have been 1 or 2 cities ranked higher)

107 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:43:08am

re: #96 jamesfirecat

Last I recall his wealth is because he married a rich woman, same strategy that worked for Jon McCain...

And in neither case is that situation part of what I (and i suspect, most others here) used to make my evaluation of their candidacy.

108 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:43:29am

re: #104 jamesfirecat

Dude, my statement was addressing how Jon Kerry got his wealth to start with...

Ok...sorry, missed that part = )

109 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:45:43am

re: #96 jamesfirecat

Last I recall his wealth is because he married a rich woman, same strategy that worked for Jon McCain...

Hey its just as easy to fall in love with a rich woman as a poor one.

110 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:45:59am

re: #101 drcordell

I'll attempt to correct the record right here. Bagua stated that our military had "no Christian influence" whatsoever.

And I provided three clear-cut examples that disproved his assertion. Which apparently you deign completely unacceptable? I will provide the substantive proof here yet again. If you're going to continue to label me a liar, please at least take the time to factually disprove the information I am putting forth.

BIBLE VERSES ON MILITARY RIFLE SCOPES: (link from the leftist Navy Times)
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

VIDEO OF U.S. TROOPS IN PRAYER MEETING DISCUSSING ACTIVELY PROSELYTIZING CHRISTIANITY:

[Video]COVER SHEETS OF TOP SECRET BRIEFINGS ON IRAQ WAR WITH BIBLE VERSES PRINTED ON THE FRONT:
[Link: www.gq.com...]

liar? i said weak. I'm forced to wonder whether you are deliberately misstating me or unaware of the significant difference between accusations of weak anecdotes and lying.

Accusation of weak anecdote: rifle scopes. The military did not order them so inscribed, and made sure that the inscriptions stopped as soon as they realized it. Therefore, the inscriptions offer no evidence for or against your supposition.

111 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:46:06am

Huckabee never killed a man that didn't need killing

112 Dona Quixote  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:46:14am

My Huntsville relatives don't have connections to Pikeville Tennessee, so they're not the same ones, but they are known as fun loving partiers, so Huntsville must be a great place to visit.

113 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:46:47am

re: #106 srb1976

I saw something awhile back (can't really remember now) that said that Huntsvill has more engineers per capita than nearly anywhere else in the states (there may have been 1 or 2 cities ranked higher)

"Our German scientists are better than their German scientists." NASA space flight center, Redstone Arsenal, and HQ of whatever Space and Missile Command is calling itself now.

114 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:46:49am

re: #105 drcordell

Nobody here likes Kerry either.

My name is George Bush and I approved this message...

My name is Jon Kerry and I gave positive affirmation to the aforementioned content of a messangerial nature as required by law under FCC regulation 655.....


I'm a Democrat and that capital steps gag never fails to crack me up.

115 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:46:59am

Gotta run, mother in law is here = )

116 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:47:00am

Speaking of prospective 2012 GOP candidates, The Sarah posted this on her facebook account:Drillgate [gag]:

It’s no surprise that an overwhelming majority of Americans support offshore drilling: it will provide millions of good jobs and billions in revenue, and it will make us more secure by reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

What a load of BS.

That's right, The Sarah spins a "millions of good jobs" line just like the rest of the politicians.

Yet her devotees lap it up as if somehow The Sarah isn't as duplicitous as the next smarmy politician to come and stroke the revanchists' fear organ.

117 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:47:27am

re: #109 Petero1818

Hey its just as easy to fall in love with a rich woman as a poor one.

Jon McCain should know, he did the later first!

Za-ZING!

118 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:48:36am

re: #113 Decatur Deb

"Our German scientists are better than their German scientists." NASA space flight center, Redstone Arsenal, and HQ of whatever Space and Missile Command is calling itself now.

"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun

119 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:48:45am

re: #97 Petero1818

Where to begin.
1. Lets start with "Nepotism is now the American way." The truth is that Nepotism is probably at an all time low in the US. Many companies have strict policies against it that were only developed in the last 20 years. In addition, nepotism is far more prevalent in many other parts of the world.

2. "and I don't doubt that Romney is a competent businessman. I am merely challenging the assertion that simply because he worked in business that makes him fit for office"
so what did you mean by " Romney is also a "businessman" in the sense that he inherited everything from his father. Yes he worked at Bain, but only because of nepotism."

these two statements don't sync up.

So, nepotism is "probably" at an all-time low. Care to back that assertion up with any facts? I obviously don't have any empirical data, or else I would have posted it here. But it seems that in every field there are examples of nepotism that abound. Blankfein's sons working at Goldman. Luke Russert getting hired by MSNBC. Bill Kristol being respected by anyone, at all.

120 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:49:03am

re: #116 freetoken

The President of the API thinks it will be "thousands of jobs" instead.
[Link: www.rigzone.com...]

121 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:49:27am

re: #110 Aceofwhat?

liar? i said weak. I'm forced to wonder whether you are deliberately misstating me or unaware of the significant difference between accusations of weak anecdotes and lying.

Accusation of weak anecdote: rifle scopes. The military did not order them so inscribed, and made sure that the inscriptions stopped as soon as they realized it. Therefore, the inscriptions offer no evidence for or against your supposition.

And as to the prayer group discussing capturing souls for Jesus? Or the bible verses printed on the cover of Iraq war intel reports?

122 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:49:35am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Furrin Yankee rocket scientists.

Now, now. Local boys who married dad's sisters, who were from a long line of land speculators and dirt farmers in central Tennessee.

Funny story for you southerners. My great granddad mustered with the Union Army at McMinnville, Tn. His picture sat on fireplace mantle in the parlor of my grandmother's house in the Sesquatchie Valley, Tn. where the family farm is located. One hot July day when I was about 8 and my cousin Dale was about 15, we were standing in the parlor and Dale was staring at that picture of Lt. Sam when he yelled out "Granny, Lt. Sam was a goddamn Yankee."

That boy got a belt across his ass and his first lesson in the very complicated history of the southern United States and the privilege of telling that story every reunion..

123 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:49:54am

re: #120 jaunte

The President of the API thinks it will be "thousands of jobs" instead.
[Link: www.rigzone.com...]

Was he counting the oil spill cleanup volunteers?

124 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:50:30am

clarification: Is Huck a creationist or an intelligent design advocate?

125 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:50:39am

re: #115 srb1976

Gotta run, mother in law is here = )

That can be understood in a couple of ways...

126 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:50:42am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Those are outsourced to other countries now.

127 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:50:56am

re: #124 sandbox

clarification: Is Huck a creationist or an intelligent design advocate?

Depends on the audience.

128 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:51:15am

re: #32 Jeff In Ohio

Hey now, my granny was a lover of fried squirrel. And she could probably out play The Huck on bass (which ain't saying much). To bad she's dead, she'd be a great president.

Are you Jethro?

129 middy  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:51:26am

re: #124 sandbox

clarification: Is Huck a creationist or an intelligent design advocate?

What's the difference?

130 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:51:28am

re: #115 srb1976

Gotta run, mother in law is here = )

Serpentine Shelly! Serpentine!

131 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:51:49am

re: #124 sandbox

clarification: Is Huck a creationist or an intelligent design advocate?

Is that like the difference between a chicken, a hen and a rooster?

132 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:51:57am

re: #129 middy

What's the difference?

Creationist = God, ID = Cthulhu

133 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:52:31am

re: #128 Silvergirl

Are you Jethro?

THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!11!1

:)

134 middy  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:52:33am

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Creationist = God, ID = Cthulhu

It all makes sense now....

135 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:52:33am

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

inquiring people, and those snowed in, want to know.

136 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:53:06am

re: #124 sandbox

clarification: Is Huck a creationist or an intelligent design advocate?

Design advocate. Intelligence TBD.

137 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:53:09am

re: #120 jaunte

Yeah, The Sarah links to a flunky industry organization which simply pulls numbers out of thin air.

If you check Rigzone (to which you link) or other industry rags you can follow the number of rigs drilling here and yonder... and it becomes pretty clear even on a casual reading that the number of rigs in operation is tied to the price of oil.

Oil prices go up, more drilling. Oil prices crash - less drilling.

What The Sarah does not (probably cannot) understand is that economics rules the day - put simply, if someone thinks they can make money by drilling they will, and if not, well then, no drilling.

138 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:53:17am

re: #124 sandbox

clarification: Is Huck a creationist or an intelligent design advocate?

Which way is the wind blowing?

139 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:53:27am

re: #101 drcordell

I'll attempt to correct the record right here. Bagua stated that our military had "no Christian influence" whatsoever.



For the record, that's not what i'm referring to. I'm referring to your statement that...

How can we claim to hold the moral high ground when we explicitly acknowledge that yes, we ARE fighting a holy war between Islam and Christianity?

Here I am thinking that it was about right and wrong this whole time, and not doing the work of Jesus by killing infidels.


Sooo...broad brush = accurate summation of your position. I'm wearing nice pants, and i don't want to get paint on them

140 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:54:19am

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Serpentine Shelly! Serpentine!

"There's no reason to shoot at me! I'm a dentist!"

141 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:54:33am

re: #116 freetoken

Speaking of prospective 2012 GOP candidates, The Sarah posted this on her facebook account:Drillgate [gag]:

What a load of BS.

That's right, The Sarah spins a "millions of good jobs" line just like the rest of the politicians.

Yet her devotees lap it up as if somehow The Sarah isn't as duplicitous as the next smarmy politician to come and stroke the revanchists' fear organ.

Exactly! As reported by CNN 35 million plus of stimulus dollars gave Utah a whopping...16 jobs! Woot. So I am guessing she should tone her ballpark figure to about 1000...tops.

142 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:54:44am

re: #121 drcordell

And as to the prayer group discussing capturing souls for Jesus? Or the bible verses printed on the cover of Iraq war intel reports?

You're not allowed to make soldiers pray. You're not allowed to tell them that you can't, either.

Two out of your three anecdotes shot down = permission to assume that your third is equally bunk. Sorry. Grade F work.

143 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:54:47am

re: #116 freetoken

Speaking of prospective 2012 GOP candidates, The Sarah posted this on her facebook account:Drillgate [gag]:

What a load of BS.

That's right, The Sarah spins a "millions of good jobs" line just like the rest of the politicians.

Yet her devotees lap it up as if somehow The Sarah isn't as duplicitous as the next smarmy politician to come and stroke the revanchists' fear organ.

People who stroke that organ always come away with their hand smelling like shit.

144 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:55:05am

re: #133 Jeff In Ohio

THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!11!1

:)

I will say no more, Jethro in Beverly Hills.

145 pharmmajor  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:55:20am

With the current crop of GOP "front-runners" and Obama's performance, I hope that in 2012 voters will realize that a third-party candidate is the way to go.

146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:55:34am

New 9/11 Photos Released (slideshow)

147 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:56:07am

re: #137 freetoken

This Rigzone article is predicting flat demand for oil over the next year:
[Link: www.rigzone.com...]

148 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:56:25am

re: #129 middy

Ok, I'll try. There are creationists, intelligent design advocates, and the "spontaneous DNA" (for lack of better phrase) scientists. I will look for sources.

149 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:56:54am

re: #142 Aceofwhat?

You're not allowed to make soldiers pray. You're not allowed to tell them that you can't, either.

Two out of your three anecdotes shot down = permission to assume that your third is equally bunk. Sorry. Grade F work.

Can't we grade on the curve!?!?!?

(I didn't know there was going to be math today ,,,, anyone got a # 2 pencil!?!?!)

150 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:56:59am

re: #139 Aceofwhat?

Sooo...broad brush = accurate summation of your position. I'm wearing nice pants, and i don't want to get paint on them

Go read the post that I was responding to. It's where Bagua directly stated that soldiers who killed terrorists were "doing the Lord's work." My statement regarding Holy War was in direct response to his assertion, it was not my own.

151 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:57:06am

re: #146 Killgore Trout

New 9/11 Photos Released (slideshow)

Thanks.

152 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:57:28am

re: #140 The Sanity Inspector

"There's no reason to shoot at me! I'm a dentist!"

Great movie, and those behind the remake should be taken out, flogged and then staked out on a fire ant mound.

153 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:57:34am

re: #150 drcordell

ok, i'll go check.

154 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:57:56am

re: #145 pharmmajor

With the current crop of GOP "front-runners" and Obama's performance, I hope that in 2012 voters will realize that a third-party candidate is the way to go.

Oh, pray tell which 3rd party candidate is going to swoop in against all the barriers set up by the Ds and Rs and save us all?

155 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:58:08am

re: #151 The Sanity Inspector

Only about 5-6 of the pics are new.

156 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:58:23am

re: #119 drcordell

So, nepotism is "probably" at an all-time low. Care to back that assertion up with any facts? I obviously don't have any empirical data, or else I would have posted it here. But it seems that in every field there are examples of nepotism that abound. Blankfein's sons working at Goldman. Luke Russert getting hired by MSNBC. Bill Kristol being respected by anyone, at all.

So I take it from your post that because I cannot provide you with proof, it is not true. Perhaps you cannot make the logical leap that since its practice is forbidden in a great many companies (most of which used to have the practice as a constant) the instances of it have been reduced. Unless you would like to posit that the companies that have not outlawed it are making up for the others by doing it more. Is that it?

I don't think Luke Russert being hired was nepotism, since he was only hired after his father was dead. Nepotism, being favouritism shown to one's realtives while in a position of power does not apply unless of course he was hired by another Russert I do not know about. I am not sure it was a good hire though.

And I am still trying to understand your Bill Kristol remark. But suffice it to say it did not prove your point any more than the other 2 points

157 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:59:15am

re: #148 sandbox

Ok, I'll try. There are creationists, intelligent design advocates, and the "spontaneous DNA" (for lack of better phrase) scientists. I will look for sources.

Spontaneous DNA = The Spawn of Ubbo Sathla

158 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:59:31am

re: #142 Aceofwhat?

You're not allowed to make soldiers pray. You're not allowed to tell them that you can't, either.

Two out of your three anecdotes shot down = permission to assume that your third is equally bunk. Sorry. Grade F work.

Let's see. So, you either didn't watch the 2nd link, or completely misconstrued what is said. And based on that you don't even look at the third example I provided. Great work! A+++++

159 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:59:47am

re: #21 spacejesus

the south: a tumor, a cancer, a parasite, an abnormal growth or cyst.

Very nice....I just can't imagine how you think it is ok to say stuff like that.

160 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:00:00am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Only about 5-6 of the pics are new.

Sarah Palin running as a Tea Party candidate!

161 lostlakehiker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:00:09am

Romney is the only candidate from the last batch who has any business on the national stage. There are, as always, unsung heroes waiting in the wings. We just don't know yet who, if anyone, will step up and be a credible alternative to Romney as national Republican standard bearer.

It's not Palin, not after she's danced with creationism and danced away from her day job. It's not Huckabee. It's not anyone who plays to an increasingly narrow southern creationist base. That base cannot even contest elections on the national level.

On the other hand, with the election of Brown in Mass. it must be evident to Republicans everywhere that there are ways to win, if you're willing to try for the votes of moderates and independents.

162 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:00:20am

re: #154 Girth

Oh, pray tell which 3rd party candidate is going to swoop in against all the barriers set up by the Ds and Rs and save us all?

I don't know but it could not even be human and run on the platform of, "You know what...I don't really care so much about anything and I don't plan on accomplishing anything..in fact...just give me my space and a few roads to drive on...and a bit of defense...and a tax cut or 3." and it will probably get my vote.

It's the 'we need something accomplished' people that ruin stuff..

163 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:00:21am

re: #137 freetoken

Oil prices go up, more drilling. Oil prices crash - less drilling.

Hi freetoken! Yep. LOL! When we first moved to the Texas Hill Country and old friend who'd been born and raised in west Texas was riding in to San Antonio with me. We were on the interstate, and he said, "here's your first lesson in the economics of oil. See those trucks on the other side heading west?"

I said yes, and he said, "those long pipe-looking things on the bed, those are drill pipes. If you seen those trucks heading west, price of oil is up. When you stop seeing them heading west, price of oil is down."

Twenty years later, his homespun analysis is just as true as it was that day.

;-)

164 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:01:27am

re: #147 jaunte

The depth of the recession here and abroad really cut into the demand for many commodities.

Strikingly so in some cases.

We have clearly been in the slowest economic times since the early 80's, that I can remember.

I'm not an economist and I don't play one on the net... but a little crystal ball tells me that there are some underlying economic conditions that have yet to be addressed, and one of them is our dependence upon oil as a central element to our economic well being.

165 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:01:36am

re: #162 Oh no...Sand People!

I don't know but it could not even be human and run on the platform of, "You know what...I don't really care so much about anything and I don't plan on accomplishing anything..in fact...just give me my space and a few roads to drive on...and a bit of defense...and a tax cut or 3." and it will probably get my vote.

It's the 'we need something accomplished' people that ruin stuff..

Yes because there's nothing at all wrong with America's healthcare system at the moment....

166 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:02:23am

re: #165 jamesfirecat

Yes because there's nothing at all wrong with America's healthcare system at the moment...

None that requires me to pay for you unless I choose to. But that's just me.

167 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:02:50am

re: #166 Oh no...Sand People!

None that requires me to pay for you unless I choose to. But that's just me.

How about we go single payer then?

168 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:03:20am

re: #150 drcordell

Go read the post that I was responding to. It's where Bagua directly stated that soldiers who killed terrorists were "doing the Lord's work." My statement regarding Holy War was in direct response to his assertion, it was not my own.

Tsk, tsk. Bagua's opinion was that we are "doing the Lord's work" by hunting down evil. He also said that "US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity."

Not a holy war, therefore. The just pursuit of evil, in order to defend others, can be considered "the Lord's work" without considering the effort to be a "holy war". You're conflating. Again.

169 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:03:23am

re: #167 jamesfirecat

How about we go single payer then?

You DO know thats not what "single payer" means, don't you?

170 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:03:25am

re: #167 jamesfirecat

How about we go single payer then?

By "single payer" do you mean "other people pay by being taxed?"

True Single Payer is you and your checkbook.

171 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:03:26am

re: #164 freetoken

The depth of the recession here and abroad really cut into the demand for many commodities.

Strikingly so in some cases.

We have clearly been in the slowest economic times since the early 80's, that I can remember.

I'm not an economist and I don't play one on the net... but a little crystal ball tells me that there are some underlying economic conditions that have yet to be addressed, and one of them is our dependence upon oil as a central element to our economic well being.

The missing piece is the energy technology that is more efficient than burning hydrocarbons.

172 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:04:08am

re: #168 Aceofwhat?

Tsk, tsk. Bagua's opinion was that we are "doing the Lord's work" by hunting down evil. He also said that "US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity."

Not a holy war, therefore. The just pursuit of evil, in order to defend others, can be considered "the Lord's work" without considering the effort to be a "holy war". You're conflating. Again STILL.

ftfy

173 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:04:18am

re: #158 drcordell

Let's see. So, you either didn't watch the 2nd link, or completely misconstrued what is said. And based on that you don't even look at the third example I provided. Great work! A+++

Really? That second link gave you the impression that they are being ordered to proselytize? That isn't at all what was said.

174 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:04:51am

So it's either "you betcha" Palin, Uncle Ron, or a theocrat? My brain hurts. Please run, Mitt!

175 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:04:51am

re: #168 Aceofwhat?

Tsk, tsk. Bagua's opinion was that we are "doing the Lord's work" by hunting down evil. He also said that "US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity."

Not a holy war, therefore. The just pursuit of evil, in order to defend others, can be considered "the Lord's work" without considering the effort to be a "holy war". You're conflating. Again. STILL

ftfy

(pimf)

176 simoom  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:05:02am

A couple of stories I saw on rightwingwatch this morning:

(OC Register) Buena Park pastor prayed for Murtha’s death

Southern Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake of Buena Park sent out an email Monday night, saying that perhaps his prayers had been answered with the death of Rep. John Murtha yesterday.

“Maybe God took him out,” Drake wrote. “Maybe God Answered our IMPRECATORY prayer that we prayed every 30 days.”
...
At one point, Drake prayed for the death of President Barack Obama. However, he dropped that because he wants to see Obama faces charges that he is not a natural-born citizen and so cannot be president. Drake has such a lawsuit on appeal.

Drake said he and his prayer warriors had been praying for Murtha’s death for four or five months. Among other things, Drake said Murtha’s use of profanity and his use of God’s name in vain.

More on Pastor Drake from LGF: Wiley Drake's Imprecatory Prayers

There was also this story -- (WaPo) Human microchips seen by some in Virginia House as device of antichrist:

The House of Delegates is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a bill that would protect Virginians from attempts by employers or insurance companies to implant microchips in their bodies against their will.
...
Del. Mark L. Cole (R-Fredericksburg), the bill's sponsor, said that privacy issues are the chief concern behind his attempt to criminalize the involuntary implantation of microchips. But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation.

"My understanding -- I'm not a theologian -- but there's a prophecy in the Bible that says you'll have to receive a mark, or you can neither buy nor sell things in end times," Cole said. "Some people think these computer chips might be that mark."

177 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:05:57am

re: #174 wiffersnapper

So it's either "you betcha" Palin, Uncle Ron, or a theocrat? My brain hurts. Please run, Mitt!

vote for Pedro!!

178 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:06:31am

re: #176 simoom

I'm trying to imagine who would be for people having microchips implanted against their will.

179 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:06:41am

re: #170 EmmmieG

By "single payer" do you mean "other people pay by being taxed?"

True Single Payer is you and your checkbook.

Okay, okay, you got me.

I still think that we should lump "healthcare" in as part of "promote the general Welfare," but we can have that discussion on another day.

180 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:07:03am

re: #178 EmmmieG

I'm trying to imagine who would be for people having microchips implanted against their will.

ummmm,,,,, microchip manufacturers!?!?!

181 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:07:34am

re: #176 simoom

Ugh. Psychotics like these just give sane christians such a bad name. I hope that John Murtha is in a peaceful place. What I know is that this guy is in for a rude surprise when he goes for his own accounting...

182 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:07:38am

Intelligent Design holds that the days of creation from Genesis I.I were of millions of years duration--not what we now term the 24 hour day. So I see a big difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism.

183 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:08:04am

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great movie, and those behind the remake should be taken out, flogged and then staked out on a fire ant mound.

*boggle* Someone presumed to perpetrate a remake of it?

184 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:09:50am

re: #182 sandbox

The length of time creation took doesn't really affect whether or not it's Creationism.

185 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:09:59am

re: #182 sandbox

Intelligent Design holds that the days of creation from Genesis I.I were of millions of years duration--not what we now term the 24 hour day. So I see a big difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism.

Its still "fake science" since Intelligent Design states that must have been an intelligent hand guiding evolution, and that there's no way we can know anything about the owner of that hand.

Also ID makes no predictions which you can test it against.

186 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:10:11am

re: #183 The Sanity Inspector

*boggle* Someone presumed to perpetrate a remake of it?

The Inlaws (2003)

187 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:11:08am

re: #21 spacejesus

the south: a tumor, a cancer, a parasite, an abnormal growth or cyst.

But, you can get decent rutabaga salad and philly cream pie here nowadays.

188 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:11:45am

re: #182 sandbox

Intelligent Design holds that the days of creation from Genesis I.I were of millions of years duration--not what we now term the 24 hour day. So I see a big difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism.

I am sure you already know this. It's not so much the Intelligent Design or even the Creationism that's the problem. It's when they try to shove it into science classes covertly/overtly/underhandedly all in the goal of "Come to Jesus" trumping all ethics and ideals. "Come to Jesus" at all costs justifies all the means necessary.

They will cry the second they get it passed and I start pushing for Islamic creationism to be pushed into the classroom next. Not that I am Islamic by any means, just that I can and will take on the slippery slope. Then Hindu's version. Then the "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster"'s version, till there is no science whatsoever to be had in a science classroom, akin to MTV and music videos now.

189 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:12:59am

re: #183 The Sanity Inspector

*boggle* Someone presumed to perpetrate a remake of it?

Yeah, Kragar's link is to the 2003 version with Michael Douglas and Albert Brooks. There was really only one difference between this version and the 1979 original:

The 1979 version was funny.

190 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:13:43am

re: #178 EmmmieG

I'm trying to imagine who would be for people having microchips implanted against their will.

It was once discussed and researched by US Army medical side, IIRC. Makes practical sense in some environments. Will search for links.

One:
[Link: www.wired.com...]

191 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:14:47am

re: #182 sandbox

Intelligent Design holds that the days of creation from Genesis I.I were of millions of years duration--not what we now term the 24 hour day. So I see a big difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism.

Recipe for Intelligent Design

Take 1 cup Creationism, add 1/2 cup Teleological Argument, bake at 350 degrees 30 minutes or until golden brown.

192 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:15:22am

re: #185 jamesfirecat

I read about this in Permission to Believe--Four Rational Approaches to God's Existence--by Lawrence Kelemen. for those who are interested. It is a way for science to be reconciled to belief in god.

193 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:15:30am

More Texas idiocy:

Palin shills for Perry near Houston

She urged the crowd to stick with Perry as someone whose conservative policies are succeeding, but she also received a huge cheer from the crowd of about 8,000 when she said she'd heard some mention of Texas seceding.

Thanks, Sarah!

(Perry's policies are "succeeding" if success means being #3 in the nation for teen pregnancies and having a nearly 30% highschool dropout rate while simultaneously actively campaigning to turn education standards into an unfunny joke, and granting $20mil to Countrywide Financial right before it collapsed.)

194 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:16:56am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

It was once discussed and researched by US Army medical side, IIRC. Makes practical sense in some environments. Will search for links.

One:
[Link: www.wired.com...]

If we implanted our soldiers with microchips we could make sure that we always knew where they were, and thus if one got captured we would know where they were holding them.

At least that's if we have a way of tracking the microchips and make sure they can't be removed without damaging them in some way...

Though of course not saying we should do this, I'm just saying isn't it fun to imagine how we're slowly working our way towards turning science fiction into science fact?

195 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:17:06am

re: #192 sandbox

It's four logical fallacies.

196 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:17:22am

re: #188 Oh no...Sand People!

I agree that creationism does not belong in science class.

197 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:19:24am

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If we implanted our soldiers with microchips we could make sure that we always knew where they were, and thus if one got captured we would know where they were holding them.

At least that's if we have a way of tracking the microchips and make sure they can't be removed without damaging them in some way...

Though of course not saying we should do this, I'm just saying isn't it fun to imagine how we're slowly working our way towards turning science fiction into science fact?

Downside: Very smart bad guys also know where your soldiers are. I think it was abandoned for practical and philosopjical reasons. The Army buys a lot of futurists, some of whom would scare you.

198 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:19:37am

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If we implanted our soldiers with microchips we could make sure that we always knew where they were, and thus if one got captured we would know where they were holding them.

At least that's if we have a way of tracking the microchips and make sure they can't be removed without damaging them in some way...

Though of course not saying we should do this, I'm just saying isn't it fun to imagine how we're slowly working our way towards turning science fiction into science fact?

Couldn't the enemy remove the chip without being so concerned about damage to our soldier?

199 Girth  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:19:45am

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If we implanted our soldiers with microchips we could make sure that we always knew where they were, and thus if one got captured we would know where they were holding them.

At least that's if we have a way of tracking the microchips and make sure they can't be removed without damaging them in some way...

Though of course not saying we should do this, I'm just saying isn't it fun to imagine how we're slowly working our way towards turning science fiction into science fact?

I have a buddy who's a Marine. He got a bar code tattooed on his ass before he got sent to Iraq. He's got a unique sense of humor.

200 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:19:45am

re: #195 Obdicut

So therefore what? God does not exist? You don't know that.

201 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:21:12am

re: #198 Silvergirl

Couldn't the enemy remove the chip without being so concerned about damage to our soldier?

Well yeah, the idea that I didn't want to say "outloud" is that you make it so that both the chip can't be removed without damaging it, and so that the chip can't be removed without killing the solider.

That way if a chip stops functioning you know the solider is dead hence no reason to try and rescue him.

The downsides to this plan are many and obvious however....

202 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:22:16am

re: #194 jamesfirecat

That's not enough! I want them to be able to shoot laser beams out of their eyes! I want them to have repulsion blasters in their feet, so they can levitate! I want them to make goats faint with their minds!

We have to have the coolest army ever. Ever. And they should be good looking, too, unless they are specifically recruited to be the funny guy in the unit.

203 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:22:41am

re: #200 sandbox

So therefore what? God does not exist? You don't know that.

I'll give you god exists, because Decart made some reasonable arguments for his existence.

Now prove to me that the god who exists has done anything we should care about and is something other than a formless energy being?

204 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:23:31am

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If we implanted our soldiers with microchips we could make sure that we always knew where they were, and thus if one got captured we would know where they were holding them.

At least that's if we have a way of tracking the microchips and make sure they can't be removed without damaging them in some way...

Though of course not saying we should do this, I'm just saying isn't it fun to imagine how we're slowly working our way towards turning science fiction into science fact?

And if an enemy ever were able to get information on the system, he could pinpoint their exact location at any time. YAY!

Wait a sec...

205 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:23:57am

re: #196 sandbox

I agree that creationism does not belong in science class.

You do, but tell that to the Texas Board of Education. They have no idea what line they are treading. I take that back, I think they do know what line they are treading and the $$$'s to be had under the logo of "Come to Jesus" has thrown their caution to the wind.

206 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:25:36am

re: #202 EmmmieG

We have to have the coolest army ever. Ever. And they should be good looking, too, unless they are specifically recruited to be the funny guy in the unit.

Who has an unpronounceable Polish name, so they call him "Brookyln", and he doesn't make it.

207 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:25:51am

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And if an enemy ever were able to get information on the system, he could pinpoint their exact location at any time. YAY!

Wait a sec...

And if they ever hacked our missile launch system they could destroy us with our own nukes.

208 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:25:51am

re: #200 sandbox

There is no reason to believe God exists. If you feel some powerful emotional reason why he does, and that is sufficient for you, then to you, god exists.

May I recommend Darwin's Dangerous Idea, by Daniel Dennett, to you?

209 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:26:16am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Who has an unpronounceable Polish name, so they call him "Brookyln", and he doesn't make it.

Of course, and then they can go out and kick butt just for him.

210 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:28:53am

re: #209 EmmmieG

Of course, and then they can go out and kick butt just for him.


In slow motion.

And then there will be a BIG explosion that they all walk away from shoulder to shoulder without breaking stride!

211 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:29:25am

re: #207 jamesfirecat

And if they ever hacked our missile launch system they could destroy us with our own nukes.

And if my Aunt had a penis she'ld be my Uncle.

I love what if scenarios.

212 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:30:03am

re: #203 jamesfirecat

I'll give you god exists, because Decart made some reasonable arguments for his existence.

Now prove to me that the god who exists has done anything we should care about and is something other than a formless energy being?

Because I know of a man who spoke to them in person.

/ducks under desk...

213 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:30:14am

re: #208 Obdicut

Thanks for the book rec.

My point is that for those who do believe in God, or want to believe in God, then they have to reconcile modern scientific discoveries with the Bible, especially Old Testament beginnings. Intelligent Design Theory gives such people a way to do that.

214 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:31:24am

re: #213 sandbox

Thanks for the book rec.

My point is that for those who do believe in God, or want to believe in God, then they have to reconcile modern scientific discoveries with the Bible, especially Old Testament beginnings. Intelligent Design Theory gives such people a way to do that.

And keep them out of the science class and you have all the 'good on ya's' in the world from me. No one will argue your right to do so....well, or shouldn't anyway.

215 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:32:07am

re: #213 sandbox

No, it doesn't. Intelligent design rejects science. It's not compatible.

216 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:32:44am

re: #215 Obdicut

How so?

217 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:33:15am

Back to work.

218 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:33:42am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Who has an unpronounceable Polish name, so they call him "Brookyln", and he doesn't make it.

And, and, he shows a picture of his sweetheart to his best buddy, the slow talking southern boy from the mountains of West Virginia, who's the best shot in the unit 'cause he grew up squirrel hunting with an old black powder rifle his granddaddy left him, and then they go into action and Brooklyn throws himself on a grenade.

The southern boy gets out of the Army at the end of the war and travels to New York to comfort Brooklyn's sweetheart. They end up in a searing romance, and are in bed together when OMG! Brooklyn steps through the door.

The grenade had failed to go off, and Brooklyn was taken prisoner cause all of his "buddies" had taken off and left him alone wandering around the forest. So, you can see why he's got an attitude.

And he beats the living crap out of the southern boy.

Fade to black.

219 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:34:38am

re: #216 sandbox

What do you mean? It is not science. It postulates that, rather than evolution occurring due to natural law, it is in fact being directly manipulated by the will of God. It has no testable hypotheses, and its creators have admitted that it is simply a blind for creationism.

There's plenty of archived posts here on LGF from Charles about it. Have a look.

220 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:35:32am

re: #218 subsailor68

Upding. Gotta stop reading Masterspy after logoff.

221 Kragar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:35:43am

re: #213 sandbox

Thanks for the book rec.

My point is that for those who do believe in God, or want to believe in God, then they have to reconcile modern scientific discoveries with the Bible, especially Old Testament beginnings. Intelligent Design Theory gives such people a way to do that.

The Catholic Church finds your arguement invalid.

222 sandbox  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:44:33am

Anyway, getting back to Huck, if he believes in Creationism and wants it taught in science class, that's bad. If he believes in intelligent design and wants it discussed in "philosophy" or like type class, then that's OK with me.

223 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:45:26am

re: #216 sandbox

How so?

Like I said before,

ID precludes study of the designer himself.

ID refuses to say what it means if things happened the way they suggest they happened.

Science is suppose to tell us how to predict what will happen in given events.

Does ID make any predictions about the future that can be examined and tested?

224 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:45:43am

re: #222 sandbox

What about ID would need 'discussing', even as a philosophy? It doesn't have any components, arguments, or anything. It's simply the belief that God plays a direct part in influencing evolution.

225 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:48:16am

re: #213 sandbox

Thanks for the book rec.

My point is that for those who do believe in God, or want to believe in God, then they have to reconcile modern scientific discoveries with the Bible, especially Old Testament beginnings. Intelligent Design Theory gives such people a way to do that.

People can also read the OT, examine the wealth of data around them, and assume that God wouldn't lie to us by leaving the wealth of data around us and therefore assume that we might be pulling the incorrect message from Genesis.

As in, we've translated the word "day" incorrectly from the Hebrew.

Any Hebrew-literate folks want to chime in? How do you read YWM at the beginning of Genesis? I read it as "Epoch/Era".

226 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:50:08am

re: #224 Obdicut

What about ID would need 'discussing', even as a philosophy? It doesn't have any components, arguments, or anything. It's simply the belief that God plays a direct part in influencing evolution.

Which diminishes God - that's the worst part about it. These folks think they're increasing God's role, when they're in fact doing the opposite.

If one believes in God, then evolution as a process must not have been so great if he needed to keep intervening. Too bad folks don't realize that's the destination of the road they're blithely paving...

227 Lidane  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:53:55am

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Catholic Church finds your arguement invalid.

One of the few issues I actually agree with the Church on anymore.

re: #205 Oh no...Sand People!

You do, but tell that to the Texas Board of Education. They have no idea what line they are treading. I take that back, I think they do know what line they are treading and the $$$'s to be had under the logo of "Come to Jesus" has thrown their caution to the wind.

That's because the State Board of Education here is dominated by the fundamentalist, theocratic, anti-intellectual wing of the GOP and has been for some time.

It's why I won't vote Republican as long as I live in this state. The batshit crazy mofos who run the GOP around here scare me, especially with what they want to do to education. Thanks, but no thanks.

228 Jimmah  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:55:12am
He’s a theocrat who has said he wants to rewrite the Constitution to make it more like the Bible, he’s a creationist, a homophobe, a smiling Fox News host — and that makes him a perfect candidate for Alabama:

Some 'sensible conservatives' might 'disapprove' of that, but in the end, partisanship trumps everything else. The legendary evul of Obama justifies all. "Sure there are things about this candidate I don't like, but if it's a choice between him and Obama..."

229 Jimmah  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:56:23am

re: #226 Aceofwhat?

Which diminishes God - that's the worst part about it. These folks think they're increasing God's role, when they're in fact doing the opposite.

If one believes in God, then evolution as a process must not have been so great if he needed to keep intervening. Too bad folks don't realize that's the destination of the road they're blithely paving...

They want to believe in a stupid, but very busy God, it seems to me.

230 Lidane  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:03:06pm

re: #229 Jimmah

They want to believe in a stupid, but very busy God, it seems to me.

They want a God who's as much of a nosy busybody as they are. They want God meddling in everyone else's lives and micro-managing everything, including evolution.

The whole concept of a God greater than that, who knew what they were doing and who set things in motion exactly the way they intended to is just foreign to these people.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:04:30pm

re: #1 Silvergirl

You forgot to mention squirrel fryer.

I still want that recipe for my GMIL.

232 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:36:49pm

re: #142 Aceofwhat?

You're not allowed to make soldiers pray. You're not allowed to tell them that you can't, either.

Two out of your three anecdotes shot down = permission to assume that your third is equally bunk. Sorry. Grade F work.

The Air Force Academy got in big trouble a few years ago because Christian evangelicals were harassing other soldiers.
They're taken steps to correct it, but the Wiccan chapel there was vandalised last week.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:03:57pm

re: #227 Lidane

The best "no, thank you" monologue. :)

Cyrano de Bergerac

234 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:04:36pm

re: #85 Silvergirl

Personal attack? But why?

Well actually it was sarcasm, but it was directed at what I believed to be an inordinate amount of vitriol directed at the fact that he inherited money and or business position from his father. The reality is, like Mitt or not, his academic credentials are impeccable, including graduating cum laude from Harvard Law and graduating in the top 5% of his Harvard MBA class. He may have got in on name alone (though I have no evidence of that) but one does not get marks like that without the chops. I think it is safe to assume, he could make his own way in the business world.

235 ulmsey123  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 4:53:12am

While we should always be on guard for extremism, we also need to keep in mind that the Constitution clearly states that our rights are derived from God.
Take God out of the equation and remove all references to God in the Constitution and then what?
Where do our rights originate?

236 CarryOn  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 7:42:17am
I never thought the people of Alabama would support such a lousy bass player.

I sure hope this was sarcasm, a joke.
Nobody in their right mind would vote or not vote for someone because of their musical ability. Well, I could be wrong as so many people voted for Obama because of the color of his skin.
Sad.


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