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We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us - if at all - not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

— T. S. Eliot, “The Hollow Men”

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1 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:09:16pm

Very good poem but very painful at times.

2 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:09:34pm

Who doesn't love Eliot?!
(the poems, that is).

Excellent LOLcat rendition of the Wasteland, here.

1. IM IN UR WASTELAND BURYING UR DEAD

april hates u, makes lilacs, u no can has. (1)
april in ur memoriez, making ur desire.
spring rain in ur dull rootzes.

earth in ur winter, covered in snow
can has potato. PO-TA-TO.
INVISIBLE SUMMER! RAININGZES!
im in ur hofgarden, drinking ur coffeez.

at archduke’s haus, invisible sled!
im in ur moutainz, holding on tight.
no can has cheezburger.
oral sex metaphors in ur poem.

in ur stones, whar r treez? (19)
whar r bushez?
ceiling cat cannot say.
im in redrock, hiding from sunz.
commin ze redrock.
im in ur handfull of dust,
showing ur fear.
redrock, redrock.

3 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:11:19pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Very good poem but very painful at times.

Agreed. Cato and I are fans.

4 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:22:05pm

re: #2 iceweasel

Who doesn't love Eliot?!
(the poems, that is).

Excellent LOLcat rendition of the Wasteland, here.

Fer Realz. Goodnight, ice. I've got an early meeting and so I've got to get to bed.

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:23:20pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

G'nite DF. Stay on target, bro.

6 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:24:39pm

Night, DF!

BTW, the LOLcats version of the Wasteland I posted really is fucking brilliant.
Original

Compare:

IV. DEATH BY WATER


PHLEBAS the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep seas swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea 315
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, 320
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

And:

IV: IN TEH WATERS, DYING.

dead fonician,
forgotten bukkit, gulls,
seas, moniez.
fonician hooked on current.
fonician in teh whirlpoolz, spinny
spinny fortunes’ wheel.
in teh fonician, ponder ur fate!

7 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:26:33pm

re: #3 iceweasel

Agreed. Cato and I are fans.

Wherein I see my head brought in upon a platter.

8 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:27:38pm

re: #7 Cato the Elder

Wherein I see my head brought in upon a platter.

Nah, but it's a good time for some Eliot riffing, no?

9 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:31:44pm

Eliot wrote that after an all-night Wizard of Oz/Pink Floyd marathon. Alcohol ws involved.

10 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:37:28pm

re: #9 Silvergirl

I was there. It wasn't just booze.

11 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:40:22pm

Here is a poem the Possum wrote for me:

LINES FOR AN OLD MAN

The tiger in the tiger-pit
Is not more irritable than I.
The whipping tail is not more still
Than when I smell the enemy
Writhing in the essential blood
Or dangling from the friendly tree.
When I lay bare the tooth of wit
The hissing over the archèd tongue
Is more affectionate than hate,
More bitter than the love of youth,
And inaccessible by the young.
Reflected from my golden eye.
The dullard knows that he is mad.
Tell me if I am not glad!

12 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:44:12pm

If there were water 345
And no rock
If there were rock
And also water
And water
A spring 350
A pool among the rock
If there were the sound of water only
Not the cicada
And dry grass singing
But sound of water over a rock 355
Where the hermit-thrush sings in the pine trees
Drip drop drip drop drop drop drop
But there is no water

Vs
u can has bukkit, (331)
no can has water,
ha ha no can has bukkit,
just rock and sand.
no stand, no sit,
no shirt, no shoes, no service,
just thunder shaking moutainzes.
no can has water.
no can has water.
actually, no can has rock either.
no can has water or rock,
or for that matter sand.

ceiling cat is watching you masturbate (360)
u and ur dirty friend.

13 Irenicum  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:47:01pm

Wow. A late night poetry thread! Too bad I've had too much of the good stuff to appreciate any poetry presented. Chimay has had its effect. I should post of my poetry some time.

14 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:47:11pm

re: #2 iceweasel

I choked on a gulp of water here

world cries ‘jub jub bird,’
or is diffrent poem?
INVISIBLE BANDERSNATCH!

I'm passing that link on in an email I'm writing. Thanks!

15 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:49:34pm

re: #14 Silvergirl

I choked on a gulp of water here

I'm passing that link on in an email I'm writing. Thanks!

Cool! You're very welcome. I love that part!

That post ran through a bunch of academic mailing lists when it appeared; I got it from a few different friends doing PhDs in lit. Several other people too. Enjoy!

16 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:50:07pm

re: #13 Irenicum

Wow. A late night poetry thread! Too bad I've had too much of the good stuff to appreciate any poetry presented. Chimay has had its effect. I should post of my poetry some time.

You should! I'd love that, personally. :)

17 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:52:50pm

Eliot experimented with writing in lowland Scots, but did not pursue it - from "Gerontion, ya bass!":

Here ah um, an ow baistart in a dry month
Gettin read to by a bairn, waitin fur it tae pish doon

18 Irenicum  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:53:22pm

re: #16 iceweasel

Thanks. My mom was a poet and my father was an English prof. It must've rubbed off. google my nic and frequentlywrong and you'll see some of my stuff. I should go nighty night myself. I have work and class tomorrow. Be well y'all.

19 The Left  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:54:53pm

re: #17 Jimmah

Eliot experimented with writing in lowland Scots, but did not pursue it - from "Gerontion, ya bass!":

I love you. Ya bass!

Youtube Video
20 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:55:15pm

Drama class

Two minutes, 40 seconds.

Youtube Video
21 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:02:27am

Eliot also had a sense of humor about himself:


IV. Lines to Ralph Hodgson Esqre.

How delightful to meet Mr. Hodgson!
(Everyone wants to know him) --
With his musical sound
And his Baskerville Hound
Which, just at a word from his master
Will follow you faster and faster
And tear you limb from limb.
How delightful to meet Mr. Hodgson!
Who is worshipped by all waitresses
(They regard him as something apart)
While on his palate fine he presses
The juice of the gooseberry tart.
How delightful to meet Mr. Hodgson!
(Everyone wants to know him).
He has 999 canaries
And round his head finches and fairies
In jubilant rapture skim.
How delightful to meet Mr. Hodgson!
(Everyone wants to meet him).


V. Lines for Cuscuscaraway and Mirza Murad Ali Beg

How unpleasant to meet Mr. Eliot!
With his features of clerical cut,
And his brow so grim
And his mouth so prim
And his conversation, so nicely
Restricted to What Precisely
And If and Perhaps and But.
How unpleasant to meet Mr. Eliot!
With a bobtail cur
In a coat of fur
And a porpentine cat
And a wopsical hat:
How unpleasant to meet Mr. Eliot!
(Whether his mouth be open or shut).

[note: Esq. or Esqre. does not, in the British parlance, mean a fucking lawyer, like here in the Untied Stoats of Anserinity]

22 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:05:04am

re: #19 iceweasel

I love you. Ya bass!


[Video]

Youtube Video
23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:07:04am

I could have used a sign like this way back when. I don't know why I didn't think of it at the time.

24 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:09:26am

My latest effort.

A full moon lights
The rainclouds
From above

Fog obscures all
But the nearest trees

My shadow falls
Lit from the door behind
Upon the field

And my dog
Refuses
To stir
Into the wet

Copyright 2009 Cato the Elder

25 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:11:59am

re: #20 Silvergirl

Drama class

Two minutes, 40 seconds.


[Video]

Hilarious! Bookmarked. Thanks!

26 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:12:55am

re: #20 Silvergirl

Drama class

Two minutes, 40 seconds.


[Video]

Heh. Just think what he could do for Ben Affleck.

27 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:13:37am

re: #20 Silvergirl

Brilliant.

28 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:16:57am

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

I could have used a sign like this way back when. I don't know why I didn't think of it at the time.

Maybe you just needed the company?

29 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:21:09am

re: #21 Cato the Elder

Filling her compact & delicious body
with chicken páprika, she glanced at me
twice.
Fainting with interest, I hungered back
and only the fact of her husband & four other people
kept me from springing on her

or falling at her little feet and crying
'You are the hottest one for years of night
Henry's dazed eyes
have enjoyed, Brilliance.' I advanced upon
(despairing) my spumoni.--Sir Bones: is stuffed,
de world, wif feeding girls.

--Black hair, complexion Latin, jewelled eyes
downcast . . . The slob beside her feasts . . . What wonders is
she sitting on, over there?
The restaurant buzzes. She might as well be on Mars.
Where did it all go wrong? There ought to be a law against Henry.
--Mr. Bones: there is.

Dream Song 4
John Berryman

30 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:25:39am

And, now, something for the wingnuts :

Youtube Video
31 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:27:03am

re: #29 Jimmah

This is pretty much the kind of internal frenzy I was in in Taos when the two flamenco dancers snapped their...umm...castanets at me.

32 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:27:11am

re: #24 Cato the Elder

My latest effort.

A full moon lights
The rainclouds
From above

Fog obscures all
But the nearest trees

My shadow falls
Lit from the door behind
Upon the field

And my dog
Refuses
To stir
Into the wet

Copyright 2009 Cato the Elder

Excellent poem Cato, and may I say also most appropriate to the rest of the Eliot poem? Hollow Men, that is.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls Cato's Shadow.

:)

33 Silvergirl  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:27:50am

re: #30 Jimmah

Should I interrupt The Proclaimers for this?

Will it help me drift off to a pleasant dreamland?

34 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:29:45am

re: #33 Silvergirl

Should I interrupt The Proclaimers for this?

Will it help me drift off to a pleasant dreamland?

It's all bouncy and not conducive to sleeping soon. :(

But hey, we want you to stay up with us!

35 idioma  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:30:42am

Don't like American History? Rewrite it!

Youtube Video
36 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:31:26am

LINES FROM VINCENT TO THEO VAN GOGH, 27 JULY 1890

I wish I could paint
The night for you
As it nights

Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder

37 Silvergirl  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:31:44am

re: #34 iceweasel

It's all bouncy and not conducive to sleeping soon. :(

But hey, we want you to stay up with us!

Paused it 42 seconds in. I'm yawning too hard. My morning starts earlier tomorrow than it usually does, so I'm drifting off.

Good-night!

38 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:32:12am

re: #36 Cato the Elder

LINES FROM VINCENT TO THEO VAN GOGH, 27 JULY 1890

I wish I could paint
The night for you
As it nights

Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder

Obligatory.

Youtube Video
39 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:35:56am

re: #36 Cato the Elder

LINES FROM VINCENT TO THEO VAN GOGH, 27 JULY 1890

I wish I could paint
The night for you
As it nights

Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder

Cool more poetry!

Matthew Arnold vs Anthony Hecht-- Dover Beach vs Dover Bitch:

The sea is calm to-night.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand;
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!

Etc, etc.
[Link: www.victorianweb.org...]

VS

So there stood Matthew Arnold and this girl
With the cliffs of England crumbling away behind them,
And he said to her, 'Try to be true to me,
And I'll do the same for you, for things are bad
All over, etc., etc.'
Well now, I knew this girl. It's true she had read
Sophocles in a fairly good translation
And caught that bitter allusion to the sea,
But all the time he was talking she had in mind
The notion of what his whiskers would feel like
On the back of her neck. She told me later on
That after a while she got to looking out
At the lights across the channel, and really felt sad,
Thinking of all the wine and enormous beds
And blandishments in French and the perfumes.
And then she got really angry. To have been brought
All the way down from London, and then be addressed
As a sort of mournful cosmic last resort
Is really tough on a girl, and she was pretty.
Anyway, she watched him pace the room
And finger his watch-chain and seem to sweat a bit,
And then she said one or two unprintable things.
But you mustn't judge her by that. What I mean to say is,
She's really all right. I still see her once in a while
And she always treats me right. We have a drink
And I give her a good time, and perhaps it's a year
Before I see her again, but there she is,
Running to fat, but dependable as they come.
And sometimes I bring her a bottle of Nuit d' Amour.

40 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:37:35am

It seems the creative juices and late night inclinations are awakening. This may keep me up for a bit longer.
An impromptu poem:

Dialogue expressed
can offer up
a voice long needed
that has so long been suppressed.

Open minds opened'
offer up
a perspective
long needed
to be expressed.

Partisan voices
offer up a voice
that seek a
safe distance
from all assumed assurances
that offer an
assistance
to distilled delusions
offered up
to those so
predisposed.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:40:19am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Way back, I moved into an apartment that was once occupied by a meth dealer. Tweekers would pound on my door at 3:00 am, in the freezing cold, sometimes wearing nothing but shorts and sandals, looking for their dealer. They were fucking with my sleep, thus fucking with my work schedule.

I told the last dude to show up looking for dope that he had better get the word out that their connect no longer lived here, emphasizing the point with an implied threat.

I should have just put up a sign after the first tweeker came knocking.

42 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:44:40am

re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth

You're a much nicer guy than I am. My threat would not have been implied; and it would have come with, shall we say, a steely and at the same time leaden emphasis.

43 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:46:02am

re: #40 Irenicum

BTW, this may not express my best stuff. It is spur of the moment after all. I do love alliteration after all.

44 SixDegrees  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:46:31am

Donald Trump - Member of the Master Race.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:47:21am

re: #42 Cato the Elder

What can I say, I'm a compassionate conservative.

:groans:

46 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:48:15am

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Would certain "millimeters" be involved?

47 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:51:15am

re: #40 Irenicum

I like it! Will check out your poetry--- btw I did check out your blog a while ago and liked it. Didn't comment because I was too shy to do so.

Carol Ann Duffy is one of my faves and she's the poet laureate (sp) now for the UK:
First poem in that position:
Politics
How it makes of your face a stone
that aches to weep, of your heart a fist,
clenched or thumping, sweating blood, of your tongue
an iron latch with no door. How it makes of your right hand
a gauntlet, a glove-puppet of the left, of your laugh
a dry leaf blowing in the wind, of your desert island discs
hiss hiss hiss, makes of the words on your lips dice
that can throw no six. How it takes the breath
away, the piss, makes of your kiss a dropped pound coin,
makes of your promises latin, gibberish, feedback, static,
of your hair a wig, of your gait a plankwalk. How it says this –
politics – to your education education education; shouts this –
Politics! – to your health and wealth; how it roars, to your
conscience moral compass truth, POLITICS POLITICS POLITICS.

Yours reminded me of that, I mean this in the best way possible.

48 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:53:36am

re: #47 iceweasel

I object to the disparaging use of the word "latin". And the small "l".

49 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:54:43am

re: #48 Cato the Elder

I object to the disparaging use of the word "latin". And the small "l".

I knew you would. :)

POLITICS! /

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 12:59:28am

Ugh. This shit is getting beyond ridiculous. Could the Teabaggers display a more obvious sign of irrelevant "Pussy Hurt"? Yes, they can...

Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

Since 1941, Captain America has been one of the most popular comic book characters around. The fictional super-patriot fought Nazis during World War II, took on those who burned the American flag during the Vietnam era, and raked in hundreds of millions of dollars for Marvel Comics along the way. Now, the appearance that he is taking on the Tea Party Movement in a storyline about investigating white supremacists has forced Marvel to apologize for the comic hero.

Shoes that fit, should be worn.

51 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:00:43am

re: #47 iceweasel

Thanks so much for the link to Carol's poem. It makes sense to me so I understand why what I wrote makes sense to you. As a deeply political animal, but one who is also deeply supernatural, both worlds speak to me, and apparently, to you as well. Poetry speaks across the divide. Thank God for poetry.

52 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:04:34am

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Ed Brubaker, the writer of the controversial Captain America story, told Fox News that any and all references to "tea bag" will be removed from all future editions of Marvel Comics.

Well, the hypocrisy of the Tea Partiers is becoming bigger every day. Next time you see a Tea Partier demean "political correctness" we ought to remind them of this story.

53 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:04:47am

re: #51 Irenicum

Thanks so much for the link to Carol's poem. It makes sense to me so I understand why what I wrote makes sense to you. As a deeply political animal, but one who is also deeply supernatural, both worlds speak to me, and apparently, to you as well. Poetry speaks across the divide. Thank God for poetry.

Duffy is brilliant. Mt favourite of hers is called "Prayer", and is tied to the deeply prosaic experience of listening to the Shipping Forecast on Radio 4:

Some days, although we cannot pray, a prayer
utters itself. So, a woman will lift
her head from the sieve of her hands and stare
at the minims1 sung by a tree, a sudden gift.

Some nights, although we are faithless, the truth
enters our hearts, that small familiar pain;
then a man will stand stock-still, hearing his youth
in the distant Latin chanting of a train.

Pray for us now. 2 Grade I piano scales
console the lodger looking out across
a Midlands town. Then dusk, and someone calls
a child's name as though they named their loss.

Darkness outside. Inside, the radio's prayer -
Rockall. Malin. Dogger. Finisterre.

54 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:05:04am
MP3 Audio
55 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:05:58am

re: #48 Cato the Elder

I object to the disparaging use of the word "latin". And the small "l".

She means 'pig latin', that's why it's not capitalised. You should be happy - she did the right thing by the grammar gods ;-)

Btw for US folks who don't follow UK politics/culture too much - the "EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION" is a reference to a campaign soundbite/catchphrase from Tony Blair. And desert Island discs refers to a radio 4 show in which celebrities talk about their favourite records.

56 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:08:49am

re: #55 Jimmah

We get Desert Island Discs here in Bimboland, too, Jimmah. What I miss are those pirate radio boats from the sixties, back when the Beeb was the only game in town.

57 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:09:05am

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, Captain America is alive!?

58 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:11:12am

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, the appearance that he is taking on the Tea Party Movement in a storyline about investigating white supremacists has forced Marvel to apologize for the comic hero.

I wonder if the Mexican drug cartels could get an apology if he took them on.

Apparently white supremacists have certain powers that even a superhero can't combat. Who knew?

(I did.)

59 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:11:52am

No. Seriously. I need to get some sleep. Work beckons all too soon. My poetic heart aches.

60 Irenicum  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:14:00am

re: #53 iceweasel

Faved.

61 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:15:33am

re: #59 Irenicum

No. Seriously. I need to get some sleep. Work beckons all too soon. My poetic heart aches.

I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

Sorry for the Duffy. ExCatholic here, atheist now; but even so we don't need to believe in the same god, or in any, to be moved or agree.
Sleep well.

62 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:16:20am

re: #60 Irenicum

Faved.

I'm glad! Cheers.

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:16:29am

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

I am just too tired right now to mock it properly, but c'mon.

A comic book about a couple of super heroes investigating white supremacists at an anti-tax protest, and the Tea Party leaders knee-jerk? It's like some kind of reverse dog-whistle thing.

64 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:17:02am

re: #44 SixDegrees

Donald Trump - Member of the Master Race.

"I had a good gene pool from the stand point of that so I was pretty much driven."

I love it when rich yuppies and billionaires talk about being "driven" as if it were a virtue.

I've had more than one smug bitch or bastard look at me in total incomprehension grading into outraged hatred when I've asked, "Who, pray, is doing the driving?"

I know you all know who I think it is.

The Devil Drives.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:17:33am

re: #57 laZardo

Yeah, I was humbled by the revelation as well.
/

66 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:21:55am

Charles Krauthammer has a new article up on the cancellation of the NASA Constellation project by Obama. It is classic political hackery and evidence that criticism by Krauthammer of Obama and economic policy is duplicitous.

67 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:22:21am
MP3 Audio
68 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:22:41am

re: #56 Cato the Elder

We get Desert Island Discs here in Bimboland, too, Jimmah. What I miss are those pirate radio boats from the sixties, back when the Beeb was the only game in town.

Oh yes, that's true - you can listen to radio 4 all day in the US, now that it is available on the internet - but it's not a cultural reference I would expect that many in the US to get - that's why I said "for US folks who don't follow UK politics/culture too much".

My dad has told me about the days of pirate radio - radio Caroline and radio Luxembourg? - a wee bit before my time though. There's a documentary somewhere on the channel 4 site about all of that - I might check it out soon.

69 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:24:32am

re: #66 freetoken

Charles Krauthammer has a new article up on the cancellation of the NASA Constellation project by Obama. It is classic political hackery and evidence that criticism by Krauthammer of Obama and economic policy is duplicitous.

Krauthammer is bad news.
Barrett Brown has some stuff in the works on him.

It pains me because CK is definitely a smart guy. He chose the path of hackery.

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:26:21am

re: #64 Cato the Elder

There are many things in life that make people driven towards success. Teh Debil is not one of them.

71 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:28:11am

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

There are many things in life that make people driven towards success. Teh Debil is not one of them.

Umm...you can't be serious. It's one of his chief hobbies.

72 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:28:26am

re: #69 iceweasel

There's good reason to cancel the Constellation program - performance! That is, from reading the critics of the program, it appears to be a project that will turn out to be more expensive than first thought.

Krauthammer ignores the actual efficacy of the program ($ per function), though a "conservative" would be presumed to be interested in cost-benefits analysis, no?

For Krauthammer it is all about American prestige. From reading the editorial it sounds like Obama has stepped on Krauthammer's manhood or something...

73 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:31:52am

re: #66 freetoken

Charles Krauthammer has a new article up on the cancellation of the NASA Constellation project by Obama. It is classic political hackery and evidence that criticism by Krauthammer of Obama and economic policy is duplicitous.

Personally I think the Israelis should go for a moon landing. It would drive the mullahs mad, and if anyone is going to find a use for a big desert full of sinkholes and craters, it's the Sabras.

74 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:34:03am

re: #73 Cato the Elder

Personally I think the Israelis should go for a moon landing. It would drive the mullahs mad, and if anyone is going to find a use for a big desert full of sinkholes and craters, it's the Sabras.

And I'm still waiting on my space-based "laser" weaponry. ):

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:35:11am

re: #71 Cato the Elder

It's a boogie man, nothing more.

You yourself have a drive to succeed. You have mastered more than a few languages, and are a professional, paid translator. Not just of current speech, but of older texts.

I doubt that you would attribute your drive to learn and succeed within your field to "The DevilTM" tugging you about by your horns.

76 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:36:19am

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a boogie man, nothing more.

You yourself have a drive to succeed. You have mastered more than a few languages, and are a professional, paid translator. Not just of current speech, but of older texts.

I doubt that you would attribute your drive to learn and succeed within your field to "The DevilTM" tugging you about by your horns.

I don't talk in terms of being "driven". It drives me nuts when people do that - unless they have a chauffeur.

77 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:36:54am

More wingnuts are starting to pick on Glenn Beck over his look at the TX governor's race.

Michael Boldin, a Lew Rockwell favorite and founder of the "tenth amendment center", is now accusing Beck of being part of the "establishment media" because of Beck's expose of Debra Medina.

It will be interesting to see if Beck cries "uncle" over this whole affair.

The wingnuts: they really are eating their own.

78 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:37:20am

re: #76 Cato the Elder

I don't talk in terms of being "driven". It drives me nuts when people do that - unless they have a chauffeur.

79 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:37:55am

re: #78 laZardo

Ah, sweet irony.

/addendum

80 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:39:24am

re: #77 freetoken

More wingnuts are starting to pick on Glenn Beck over his look at the TX governor's race.

Michael Boldin, a Lew Rockwell favorite and founder of the "tenth amendment center", is now accusing Beck of being part of the "establishment media" because of Beck's expose of Debra Medina.

It will be interesting to see if Beck cries "uncle" over this whole affair.

The wingnuts: they really are eating their own.

I want to see Orly Taitz eat Pamela Geller. With some fava beans and a nice chee-ann-tee.

81 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:39:41am

re: #79 laZardo

Ah, sweet irony.

/addendum

Of course you know I put that in there just for you.

82 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:39:49am

re: #77 freetoken

More wingnuts are starting to pick on Glenn Beck over his look at the TX governor's race.

Michael Boldin, a Lew Rockwell favorite and founder of the "tenth amendment center", is now accusing Beck of being part of the "establishment media" because of Beck's expose of Debra Medina.

It will be interesting to see if Beck cries "uncle" over this whole affair.

The wingnuts: they really are eating their own.

Less effort from us to move America back to the center, then.

83 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:42:44am

re: #74 laZardo

And I'm still waiting on my space-based "laser" weaponry. ):

I'm not. Lasers & lead are a great combo.

84 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:43:41am
MP3 Audio
85 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:50:31am

Well, I'm going to go crawl in bed and find some really obscure Eliot quotes to shove in at the end of this thread in the "morning". Doesn't mean I'm sleeping, so if anyone wants to call and chat I'm up and reading...

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:09:21am

re: #76 Cato the Elder


I don't talk in terms of being "driven". It drives me nuts when people do that

Oh snap! Well played. You are cracking me up tonight.

87 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:11:43am

Dreadzone - "House of Dread"

Youtube Video
88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:13:23am

re: #85 Cato the Elder

G'nite Cato. I hope you find a solution to your internet connection dilemma.

89 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:13:35am

re: #66 freetoken

Charles Krauthammer has a new article up on the cancellation of the NASA Constellation project by Obama. It is classic political hackery and evidence that criticism by Krauthammer of Obama and economic policy is duplicitous.

Please cite a couple of examples from CK's article of the evidence of which you speak.

90 freetoken  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:16:15am
MP3 Audio
91 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:46:58am
Youtube Video
92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 2:53:14am

Top Ten Bear Stories You Need to Know About

It's a gawt-damned travesty that this story didn't make the list. Well, maybe not a travesty, but a serious oversight.

93 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:10:45am

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth

Top Ten Bear Stories You Need to Know About

It's a gawt-damned travesty that this story didn't make the list. Well, maybe not a travesty, but a serious oversight.



Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica.

Good Morning Lizards!

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:18:43am

re: #93 rwdflynavy

G'nite, Rwdflrpbtny...blrty...stndfl... whatever...

G'nite dude.

95 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:20:01am

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

G'nite, Rwdflrpbtny...blrty...stndfl... whatever...

G'nite dude.

Nighty Night SB!

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:21:14am

A guy I used to work with years ago and still have an occasional beer with had his mother murdered 6 months ago. Well after 6 months they finally caught the guy. Hope he isn't afraid of needles.

97 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:22:22am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

A guy I used to work with years ago and still have an occasional beer with had his mother murdered 6 months ago. Well after 6 months they finally caught the guy. Hope he isn't afraid of needles.

I love stories with a happy ending!

98 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:23:20am

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth

Top Ten Bear Stories You Need to Know About

It's a gawt-damned travesty that this story didn't make the list. Well, maybe not a travesty, but a serious oversight.

On the sidebar of the story you linked:

Polish newspaper claims 'Pedobear' is 2010 Vancouver Olympic mascot

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

99 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:25:05am

BBLL (Be Back Later, Lizards)

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:25:18am

re: #98 RogueOne

Was that a Polish newspaper or the NYT?

101 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:26:19am

re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar

How did the interview go? You in?

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:27:47am

re: #101 RogueOne

First thing the guy said was that he was an asshole to work for. Great. Going in tonight just to watch and we will talk after.

103 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:30:26am

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least he's honest, maybe.

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:32:34am

re: #103 RogueOne

There is a bar/nightclub a few doors down with an empty kitchen. My brother didn't know why they quit serving but I figured it out. The whole smoking ban. I think I found a way around the laws, though.

105 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:32:47am

Gotta take off to work, bbl.

106 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:05:18am

Iranians marked the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution on Thursday with a mass pro-government rally and an overwhelming security presence that prevented opposition protesters from staging a long-expected showdown.

Police clashed episodically with protesters at several points in Tehran, while President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed that Iranian scientists had boosted uranium enrichment levels from 3.5 percent to 20 percent in a matter of days, confirming that Iran was now a “nuclear power.”

But witnesses and analysts in Tehran said the 31st birthday party of the Islamic Republic belonged to the government, despite gaps in the rally-goers at Freedom Square, who were among the hundreds of thousands of Iranians who turned out across the country to wave flags and chant “Death to America.”

The vehicles carrying opposition figures Mehdi Karroubi and former President Mohammad Khatami – two of the three high-ranking leaders of the Green Movement – were attacked by pro-regime militants, forcing them to turn back.

“Today was a show of force by the establishment, and they were really prepared for it: They had enough time, they had enough information,” says a veteran analyst in Tehran, who had not seen such a heavy police and security presence on the streets since the early 1980s.

“They were really prepared to stop people gathering, and they did it,” says the analyst, who asked not to be named. “It’s easy, if you have the numbers and guns and motivation, and the other side is disorganized and leaderless and has no training.”

SNIP

107 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:13:23am

Fox just skewered Medina.

108 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:14:04am

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown on Friday called the record number of anti-Semitic incidents across the United Kingdom last year "deeply troubling", urging Britons to exercise greater vigilance.

Brown's comments come as the Community Security Trust reported that 2009 was the worst year for anti-Semitic incidents in Britain since the Jewish group first began tracking them in 1984.

The trust said Friday that it had recorded 924 anti-Jewish incidents in 2009. SNIP

109 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:14:05am

re: #107 MandyManners

Fox just skewered Medina.

As it should be.

112 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:23:37am

re: #111 MandyManners

The Community Security Trust's report.

2010 looks to be no different. (Reposted from the other day.)

British police are investigating the verbal attack on Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon after an Oxford University student shouted “slaughter the Jews” during a talk he gave at the university on Monday night.

During the event, hosted by the university’s Student Union, a Muslim student, who had been heckling the deputy foreign minister, got up and shouted in Arabic “Itbah Al-Yahud” – “slaughter the Jews” as he was leaving the lecture hall.

The incident was referred to the police on Tuesday. Thames Valley Police confirmed on Wednesday that they had received a complaint and were considering a charge of racially aggravated public disorder.

A police spokesman told The Jerusalem Post they were taking the matter “very seriously,” that they were at the very early stages of investigation and that no arrests had yet been made.

The university has promised to look into the incident once the police have completed their investigation.

SNIP

113 sandbox  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:29:31am

re: #112 MandyManners

I read Melanie Phillips book Londonistan. It had big impact. It's one reason I advocate that radical islamist sbe denied visa entry to the west--and those already here who are non-citizens be deported. What other choice is there?

114 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:30:56am

They didn't protest when a parking lot was built but, they're protesting now over a museum about the Holocaust and tolerance? Hmmm.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center has rejected demands by Palestinian and international human rights groups that its construction of a planned Museum of Tolerance in Jerusalem be halted due to claims that the proposed location is the site of a historic Muslim cemetery.

Opponents of the museum petitioned the United Nations on Thursday, maintaining that construction at the site would disturb centuries-old graves and desecrate the cemetery, although any response from the UN’s top rights official would be symbolic and not legally binding.

SNIP

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, however, released a statement Wednesday in advance of the petition and press conferences, stating that “the Museum of Tolerance project is not being built on the Mamilla Cemetery.”

“It is being built on Jerusalem’s former municipal car park, where every day for nearly half a century, thousands of Muslims, Christians and Jews parked their cars without any protest whatsoever from the Muslim community,” Rabbi Marvin Hier, the center’s dean and founder, said in the statement.

“Telephone cables, electrical lines, drainage and sewage lines were laid deep into the ground in the early 1960s, again without any protest,” he went on.

SNIP

115 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:31:56am

re: #113 sandbox

I read Melanie Phillips book Londonistan. It had big impact. It's one reason I advocate that radical islamist sbe denied visa entry to the west--and those already here who are non-citizens be deported. What other choice is there?

Can we deport people based on their beliefs? That's contrary to our Constitution.

116 sandbox  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:34:58am

re: #115 MandyManners

How about denying visa entry then? If we can't do that re radical islamists, then there is no hope.

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:36:13am

re: #116 sandbox

How about denying visa entry then? If we can't do that re radical islamists, then there is no hope.

The undie bomber was denied a visa on the day he flew here. No shit.

118 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:39:07am

re: #116 sandbox

How about denying visa entry then? If we can't do that re radical islamists, then there is no hope.

I have no problem denying visas to them. Too bad this administration allowed Tariq Ramadan entry.

119 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:40:30am

Tariq Ramadan.

120 sandbox  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:43:58am

I am hopeful that if the Conservatives and David Cameron win in UK they will get tougher on their internal radical islamist enemy sympathizers.

121 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:46:29am

re: #120 sandbox

I am hopeful that if the Conservatives and David Cameron win in UK they will get tougher on their internal radical islamist enemy sympathizers.

And, do something about those assholes who chant "kill the Jews".

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:47:24am

re: #121 MandyManners

And, do something about those assholes who chant "kill the Jews".

Freedom of Speech is different over there, isn't it?

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:48:06am

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:48:52am

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

Buzzkill.
/

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:49:55am

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

Buzzkill.
/

Man, I'm just workin' the poem...

126 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:52:40am

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Man, I'm just workin' the poem...

Uh, it didn't rhyme so I didn't know it was a poem.:)

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:53:22am

Good morning Lizards. Clear and cold (mid 20s F) here in sunny Philadelphia. The white terrain continues to make its influence felt on the car and pedestrian traffic in the city.

Otherwise, life continues its eternal and ultimately losing cause against entropy. But this is most definitely a case where the journey and waypoints are much more important than the final destination.

128 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:58:40am

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

Freedom of Speech is different over there, isn't it?

Did you see No. 112?

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:59:48am

re: #128 MandyManners

Did you see No. 112?

I did now. Again. Thanks.

130 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:04:25am

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

I did now. Again. Thanks.

Something similiar happened at UC-Irvine again.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:06:05am

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

Troglodyte.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:07:56am

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not every poem has the word "Nantucket" innit...

133 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:09:17am

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not every poem has the word "Nantucket" innit...

Whoa right there, mister!!!
/

134 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:15:41am

re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar

Since "Nantucket" can rhyme with "bukkit" I expect a slew of LOLCAT limericks to come out shortly since this is a poetry thread.

And TEH NOM(E)S will be to blame. :P

135 prairiefire  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:22:17am

Morning, Lizards. Some James Gang featuring the fantastic Tommy Bolin for your morning:.

Youtube Video
136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:23:36am

re: #134 oaktree

Since "Nantucket" can rhyme with "bukkit" I expect a slew of LOLCAT limericks to come out shortly since this is a poetry thread.

Not lolcat, but this one's on Wikipedia...

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all his cash in a bucket.
But his daughter, named Nan,
Ran away with a man
And as for the bucket, Nantucket.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:23:51am

Gotta run...

138 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:23:54am

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

Freedom of Speech is different over there, isn't it?

They don't have freedom of speech, they have a freedom to say what their legislative bodies tell them they're allowed to say.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:26:06am

re: #138 RogueOne

They don't have freedom of speech, they have a freedom to say what their legislative bodies tell them they're allowed to say.

Mandy pointed that out, but thanks.

140 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:26:58am

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

Down with the Man!

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:27:56am

re: #140 RogueOne

Down with the Man!

You're not allowed to say that. Hands on the car.
/

142 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:27am

Another good example of what is very wrong with our "sex offender registry" policies:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]


It all began when he met a girl at a teen club in Des Moines. They hit it off and started dating. He was 16 and thought she was 15.

When the girl ran away from home, police came looking for Blackman, who says he admitted to having sex with her twice. That's when police told him she was really 13, he says. Two weeks later, police returned to his home and arrested him.

The judge bought his story and ruled his record would be expunged if he completed a sex offender program. He moved to Oklahoma where they kept him on the registry anyway.


But the action did not carry over to Oklahoma, where Blackman continued to be listed on that state's sex offender registry. The stigma followed him to his new home and the harassment continued, the family said.

A neighbor who found out he was on the registry videotaped him when he went outside, Blackman said. His picture and address were posted on a vigilante Web site, and a gas station attendant refused to sell him cigarettes, one time taking his license and throwing it across the store.

Turning teens who are sexually active into sex offender "monsters" is just a real bad way of dealing with the issue. This story has a semi-happy ending, he's no longer on the list, but being tormented for years because he had sex has obviously completely changed who he is and what he could have been.

143 Ericus58  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:33:09am

Int'l pilots group issues safety warning about Spanish airspace
Associated Press Newswires 02/12/2010

"BRUSSELS (AP) - The world's largest pilots' group says a pay dispute between authorities and air traffic controllers in Spain is raising concerns about the safety of its airspace.

The International Federation of Airline Pilots Associations says the dispute could cause increased tension in the controller's work place, unanticipated shortages of air traffic controllers and unexpected delays.

Last week, Spain's government said it was ending the controllers' autonomy and control over their salaries, which average 375,000 euros ($513,400) a year in a country suffering an economic crisis, including high unemployment.

The IFAPA says pilots should use caution in the region, including considering taking extra fuel and paying special attention to communications with controllers."

144 sandbox  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:33:27am

re: #130 MandyManners

re: #130 MandyManners

Yes. I've read about Irvine Campus disruptive activities re Daniel Pipes and now Michale Oren talk.

I have come to a point where I regard all these activities by radical islamists in the west as seditious behavior. Hiding behind the free speech mantle--which, if they ever came to power, they would deny others.

145 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:35:43am

re: #142 RogueOne

There is a great quote from the mother I couldn't let slide:


Having a son on the registry also made a lasting impression on his mother. She now devotes most of her time to reforming sex offender legislation --specifically, the registry -- as chief operating officer of Sex Offender Solutions And Education Network.

"What keeps me going? My anger, my guilt," she said. "My ignorance is why Ricky's on this registry, or was on this registry. I didn't know the law. I didn't know how to protect my son when he talked to those cops. I just sat there thinking the truth will set him free. And that's what got Ricky convicted, the truth."

Do not, under any circumstances, speak to the police.

Youtube Video
146 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:36:39am

re: #142 RogueOne

It fits with our whole general tendency to use the legal system as a way of producing more criminals. Take minor offenders, lock them up for six months with real assholes, and voila! You have a worse situation than before you locked 'em up.

But plenty of people are making a shitload of money off of it, so it's damn hard to reform.

It's one thing that I'm constantly disappointed in politicians for not speaking about.

147 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:38:34am

Morning lizards. Interesting phenomena this morning, as it was 14 degrees F (well below freezing) and yet ... foggy. Made for fun times driving to work. How is everyone on this curious Friday?

148 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:40:30am

re: #147 thedopefishlives

I'm working from home on interesting stuff, I have Monday off, my fiancee is back from Boston, I have excellent coffee, and the peace of the morning is a lovely thing. Too bad it'll shortly be shattered by the construction workers building an apartment next door, because they start at 6:00 AM.

149 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:42:47am

re: #148 Obdicut

All of that sounds wonderful enough that I think I could deal with the construction workers. Speaking of which, I hope to get my house closed out within the next two weeks so my own construction project can start.

150 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:42:54am

re: #147 thedopefishlives

I'm working on my second cup of tea, and catching up on the bits and pieces from the office being closed for the last two days. Otherwise shaping up to be a fairly slow day.

Outside of work there's all sort of little things building up into big things. But nothing I can proactively deal with yet.

151 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:45:20am

re: #146 Obdicut


But plenty of people are making a shitload of money off of it, so it's damn hard to reform.

It's one thing that I'm constantly disappointed in politicians for not speaking about.

That is exactly correct. Get them in the system, make money off their incarceration and "re-education", put them on probation and wait for them to make another minor mistake and start the process all over again.

152 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:47:33am

re: #151 RogueOne

Have I mentioned my solution to this to you already? Tie payments to prisons to the recidivism rate of their inmates. Have a higher than average recidivism rate, and you're not making money off your prison anymore.

And have that include crimes while committed in the prison.

re: #149 thedopefishlives

I don't actually mind the construction noise, but my fiancee hates it. So that's the moment she'll start swearing.

153 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:48:22am

re: #145 RogueOne

I've shown that video to my teen nieces and nephew and my teen sis-in-law. I think it's very important they understand what happens if they speak to the police, especially if they think they've done nothing wrong. Hoorah for the 5th amendment.

154 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:54:10am

re: #153 RogueOne

I think it's more a matter of, "Be careful what you say to the police." They have a much better grasp of the law, in general, than the average layperson does; which is what causes problems in these cases, because the police are fishing for evidence of wrongdoing, and the person in question doesn't think they're in the wrong and is entirely too free with the guilty details. This is why it's always recommended to ask for, and wait for, a lawyer before answering any questions from the police.

155 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:54:59am

[Link: www.reflector.com...]

Puppycide:


Her son had left the stereo on and closed the door with the dog, a pit bull, inside before going to another family member’s home nearby, Green said.

The girl went to the barn to turn the music down, and the dog ran from the barn and began to bark at Neal.

What happened after that is in dispute, according to separate accounts Neal gave his supervisor and the girl gave her mother.

Neal told his supervisor that the dog attacked him when the girl opened the barn door, leaving him no choice but to shoot it in self-defense, Fisher said.

Green shared her daughter’s account of the incident.

The girl had gone to the barn to turn the music down, and the dog ran out of the barn and began to bark at Neal, Green said. She said the dog was trained to obey family commands and halted when the girl told it to, but continued to bark at Neal.

The girl was unable to stop the dog’s barking, and she became concerned for its safety when she saw Neal searching for something at his belt, Green said.

Her daughter began to reach for the dog with the intent of pulling it behind her, but as she did so, Neal pulled his gun and shot it once in the head, killing it, according to Green’s report of her daughter’s account.

If the little girl is telling the truth that's pretty scary. Either way, how traumatized you think that little girl is right now? Think she'll ever trust the police again?

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:56:20am

I stopped by my mom's house one night and my brother and his friends were sitting outside and the cops pulled up and started to question them. I told the kids they should ask for a lawyer. The cops weren't happy with me.

157 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:59:46am

re: #155 RogueOne

The thing is, it's hard for me to look at police officers in a bad way, because three different members of my family either are or were in the police. There are, however, quite a few bad apples in that particular barrel, and it's all the worse because how, exactly, does one go about getting a cop arrested?

158 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:05:00am

Morning Lizards.

Day two for me on the stop smoking project. Something I've been working at for a while. Hate the stupid habit and especially hate the wasted money. Up in smoke so to speak.

159 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:06:44am

re: #158 Jadespring

Morning Lizards.

Day two for me on the stop smoking project. Something I've been working at for a while. Hate the stupid habit and especially hate the wasted money. Up in smoke so to speak.

Good luck to you. Just take it a day at a time.

160 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:07:49am

re: #147 thedopefishlives

Morning lizards. Interesting phenomena this morning, as it was 14 degrees F (well below freezing) and yet ... foggy. Made for fun times driving to work. How is everyone on this curious Friday?

Morning! Waking up slowly and easing in to my Friday telecommute. Working from home on Fridays is teh fantabulous...

161 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:08:08am

Everything in Lower Alabama has canceled on the rumor of 1-3 inches of snow. The first blobs just started, and the little weather girl who called it is almost crying with relief. We get visible ground cover every ten years or so.

162 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:08:33am

re: #158 Jadespring

Morning Lizards.

Day two for me on the stop smoking project. Something I've been working at for a while. Hate the stupid habit and especially hate the wasted money. Up in smoke so to speak.

Good for you, and good morning! How have you liked Mass Effect so far?

163 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:08:40am

re: #158 Jadespring

Best of luck to you. I found two things very helpful: Welbutrin, and still taking plenty of time during the day to have 'smoke breaks', only I didn't smoke, I just inhaled air.

164 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:12:10am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

The thing is, it's hard for me to look at police officers in a bad way, because three different members of my family either are or were in the police. There are, however, quite a few bad apples in that particular barrel, and it's all the worse because how, exactly, does one go about getting a cop arrested?

xactly. i'm for medical malpractice reform, but not without a simultaneous physician discipline reform. not policing your own = don't cry to me about how many folks get lawyers, whether you're a cop or an MD.

165 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:12:59am

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Everything in Lower Alabama has canceled on the rumor of 1-3 inches of snow. The first blobs just started, and the little weather girl who called it is almost crying with relief. We get visible ground cover every ten years or so.

Well the meteorologists and weather people up here in NYC were breathing a huge sigh of relief when Wednesday's snowpalooza came to fruition in NYC in the amounts they pretty much expected the day or two before after missing the ball on the previous weekend's storms when the City barely saw any snow except for Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn. Had they gotten it wrong again, pitchforks and torches would have been broken out en masse.

166 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:13:08am

re: #163 Obdicut

Best of luck to you. I found two things very helpful: Welbutrin, and still taking plenty of time during the day to have 'smoke breaks', only I didn't smoke, I just inhaled air.

I've heard that regular exercise (endorphins) helps, too. Endorphins are their own reward...

167 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:13:44am

Good morning! Hope everyone is well - I'm still catching up on the thread, but in the spirit of the earlier poetry postings, here's a contribution from my corner:

Dear Lord...
Please grant that I shall
Never waste my pain; for...
To fail without learning,
To fall without getting up,
To sin without overcoming,
To be hurt without forgiving,
To be discontent without improving,
To be crushed without becoming more caring,
To suffer without growing more sensitive,
Makes of suffering a senseless, futile exercise,
A tragic loss,
And of pain,
The greatest waste of all.

-- Dick Innes

168 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:14:35am

re: #163 Obdicut

Best of luck to you. I found two things very helpful: Welbutrin, and still taking plenty of time during the day to have 'smoke breaks', only I didn't smoke, I just inhaled air.

Thanks. The biggest problem I have is the actual 'habit'. I did really cut down over the past few months but there are times and things I do which equal smoking to me. Being on the computer is a big one actually. I just got into the habit of reading boards and chatting or playing a game with a smoke in hand. It's like a trigger and I have to change that association or I'll never stop once and for all.

169 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:15:45am

re: #167 SasyMomaCat

Here's one of my favorites:


NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee;
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;
Can something, hope, wish day come, not choose not to be.
But ah, but O thou terrible, why wouldst thou rude on me
Thy wring-world right foot rock? lay a lionlimb against me? scan
With darksome devouring eyes my bruisèd bones? and fan,
O in turns of tempest, me heaped there; me frantic to avoid thee and flee?

Why? That my chaff might fly; my grain lie, sheer and clear.
Nay in all that toil, that coil, since (seems) I kissed the rod,
Hand rather, my heart lo! lapped strength, stole joy, would laugh, chéer.
Cheer whom though? the hero whose heaven-handling flung me, fóot tród
Me? or me that fought him? O which one? is it each one? That night, that year
Of now done darkness I wretch lay wrestling with (my God!) my God.


- Gerard Manley Hopkins

170 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:15:51am

re: #166 Aceofwhat?

I've heard that regular exercise (endorphins) helps, too. Endorphins are their own reward...

Yep I've started walking most days. Actually since it's winter snowshoeing rather then walking which per km give more exercise. :)

171 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:16:49am

re: #168 Jadespring

I changed diet at the same time, which helped, and I did the whole "take a sip of water when you want a smoke" thing, too. I'd say that helped as well.

172 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:18:18am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

The thing is, it's hard for me to look at police officers in a bad way, because three different members of my family either are or were in the police. There are, however, quite a few bad apples in that particular barrel, and it's all the worse because how, exactly, does one go about getting a cop arrested?

My best friend and my bro-in-law are both cops, good cops, but I still wouldn't trust an officer I don't know as far as I can throw them.

173 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:19:01am

re: #172 RogueOne

I have gotten the advice to lawyer up when talking to cops from my friends who are cops. Especially if it's a serious case of any sort.

174 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:19:02am

re: #171 Obdicut

I changed diet at the same time, which helped, and I did the whole "take a sip of water when you want a smoke" thing, too. I'd say that helped as well.

Yeah that's what I'm doing too except it's raw veggies instead of water since I already drink lots of water. I have a bowl of cut up carrots, celery and broccoli beside me right now.

175 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:19:34am

re: #163 Obdicut

Best of luck to you. I found two things very helpful: Welbutrin, and still taking plenty of time during the day to have 'smoke breaks', only I didn't smoke, I just inhaled air.

Wellbutin made me angrier than normal. They switched me to Chantix and other than having to eat before I took the pill it worked real well.

176 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:20:01am

re: #119 MandyManners

Tariq Ramadan.

How could I forget LGF's entries about Tariq Ramadan?

177 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:20:59am

re: #158 Jadespring

Hang in there!

178 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:21:36am

re: #175 RogueOne

Heh. Welbutrin turned me into Tony Robbins. I'm already a disgustingly cheerful and energetic person when I first wake up, but Welbutrin magnified that by a thousand.

179 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:22:14am

This Rexroth was useful during the various Bush administrations:

For Eli Jacobson

We believed we
Would see with our own eyes the new
World where man was no longer
Wolf to man, but men and women
Were all brothers and lovers
Together. We will not see it.
We will not see it, none of us.
It is farther off than we thought.
. . . It does not matter.
We were comrades together.
Life was good for us. It is
Good to be brave - nothing is
Better. Food tastes better. Wine
Is more brilliant. Girls are more
Beautiful. The sky is bluer . . . .
If the good days never come,
We will not know. We will not care.
Our lives were the best. We were the
Happiest men alive in our day.

180 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:22:48am

Whoa. I'm sure I'm not drunk. But I thought I just saw a news report of snow in Baton Rouge?!

181 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:22:53am

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Hang in there!

I will! One of the reasons I mentioned it here is because I figure if I make it public I'll have a bit more motivation to keep with it.

182 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:23:20am

re: #180 Rightwingconspirator

Whoa. I'm sure I'm not drunk. But I thought I just saw a news report of snow in Baton Rouge?!

Saints won the Super Bowl, hell has frozen over.//

183 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:23:21am

re: #176 MandyManners

How could I forget LGF's entries about Tariq Ramadan?

One from mj.

184 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:24:33am

re: #172 RogueOne

My best friend and my bro-in-law are both cops, good cops, but I still wouldn't trust an officer I don't know as far as I can throw them.

what's the saying...something like "a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested"?

185 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:26:27am

re: #176 MandyManners

Mandy, that site you're linking-- Daniel Pipes-- makes my malware sensor in Chrome go off.

186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:26:42am

re: #178 Obdicut

I play cards with someone who takes that. He says that he is a totally miserable person when off his meds. On them he's downright bubbly.

He also tends to quote Robot Chicken bits a lot, to the annoyance of one of the other players. We retaliate by making puns and obscure movie references (since we're 10-20 years older than him.)

187 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:27:52am

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The End of the World

Quite unexpectedly, as Vasserot
The armless ambidextrian was lighting
A match between his great and second toe,
And Ralph the lion was engaged in biting
The neck of Madame Sossman while the drum
Pointed, and Teeny was about to cough
In waltz-time swinging Jocko by the thumb
Quite unexpectedly to top blew off:

And there, there overhead, there, there hung over
Those thousands of white faces, those dazed eyes,
There in the starless dark, the poise, the hover,
There with vast wings across the cancelled skies,
There in the sudden blackness the black pall
Of nothing, nothing, nothing -- nothing at all.

Archibald MacLeish

188 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:27:52am

re: #183 MandyManners

One from mj.

Hmmm. Not the "change" i "hoped" for.

189 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:29:10am

re: #186 oaktree

i love watching robot chicken, but it's the most ADD show on TV. i have no idea how one would go about quoting it...

190 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:29:23am

re: #176 MandyManners

How could I forget LGF's entries about Tariq Ramadan?

He seems like a radical Islamist apologist.

191 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:30:52am

re: #185 Obdicut

Mandy, that site you're linking-- Daniel Pipes-- makes my malware sensor in Chrome go off.

Sorry about that.

192 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:31:34am

re: #188 Aceofwhat?

Hmmm. Not the "change" i "hoped" for.

I expected this kind of bullshit.

193 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:31:51am

re: #190 Mosh

He seems like a radical Islamist apologist.

SEEMS?

194 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:33:01am

re: #193 MandyManners

SEEMS?

Here's the ACLU profile of Tariq Ramadan.

He's a jihadi in moderate's clothing.

195 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:33:07am

re: #191 MandyManners

I think it was just one of the ads on the page.

196 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:35:03am

re: #193 MandyManners

SEEMS?

Oh, he's another moderate giving mollah $$$ (haha?) to Hamas.

197 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:35:38am

re: #174 Jadespring

If the urge becomes over whelming, buy a pack of Palm Mall long non filters, smoke 1 or 2. When you stop throwing up the urge will gone for ever.

worked for me.

198 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:36:22am

re: #158 Jadespring

Wishing you all the best in your efforts!

199 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:36:33am

re: #194 Mosh

Here's the ACLU profile of Tariq Ramadan.

He's a jihadi in moderate's clothing.

I wouldn't trust the ACLU's profile of just about anyone.

200 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:36:44am

re: #189 Aceofwhat?

He can quote segments of the various Star Wars bits... especially Darth Vader presenting Lando with various items as he "changes the deal". "These are clown shoes..." in the proper voice is a running joke.

He also quotes Family Guy and South Park as well. I rarely watch either show, but can generally catch on to which he is riffing on. He has the Cartman as Glenn Beck satire bit down pat.

I stymied him back one day by quoting the first couple of stanzas of the Bugs Bunny barbershop song from "Rabbit of Seville" verbatim in my lousy singing voice. And for some reason the quote was in context at the time. We might have been talking about haircuts for some reason.

201 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:12am

re: #197 filetandrelease

If the urge becomes over whelming, buy a pack of Palm Mall long non filters, smoke 1 or 2. When you stop throwing up the urge will gone for ever.

worked for me.

LOL

202 swamprat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:15am

re: #155 RogueOne
The truth probably lies in between. Cop could have had a phobia/ been bit before. This is why we need more tazers out there. And if tazers have too much punch, we need special ones for dogs or with a "dog" setting.

Police need more non-lethal options; everybody wins.

203 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:19am

re: #199 MandyManners

I wouldn't trust the ACLU's profile of just about anyone.

So, I take it you don't like the far-left hack group called the American Criminal Liberties Union?

204 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:27am

re: #168 Jadespring

I saw an "electronic cigarette" in a tv ad the other day - no smoke, but does have vapor and the actions. Don't know anything about it, but it might help kick the habit . . .

205 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:30am

re: #194 Mosh

BTW, WELCOME!

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:49am

Hey Morning Lizards!

How is it going?

207 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:38:08am

re: #195 Obdicut

I think it was just one of the ads on the page.

I couldn't imagine Pipes' page itself doing it.

208 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:38:29am

Elections matter, Christie rocks.

Calling New Jersey's budget a "shambles," Gov. Chris Christie announced Thursday he is immediately freezing all state spending

209 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:38:30am

re: #196 Mosh

Oh, he's another moderate giving mollah $$$ (haha?) to Hamas.

Moolah to the mullahs!

210 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:38:49am

re: #203 Mosh

So, I take it you don't like the far-left hack group called the American Criminal Liberties Union?

I live to laugh in their faces.

211 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:38:52am

re: #200 oaktree

I am a fan of robot chicken, family guy, southpark, and bugs bunny.

Mel Blanc was a giant.

212 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:39:19am

re: #203 Mosh

So, I take it you don't like the far-left hack group called the American Criminal Liberties Union?

They piss me off to no end at times, such as their defense of NAMBLA.

213 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:39:25am

re: #209 MandyManners

Moolah to the mullahs!

Yep, I'm pretty proud of that one! :)

214 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:40:39am

Tonge: Investigate IDF stealing organs in Haiti

Baroness Tonge, the Liberal peer, said this week that Israel should set up an inquiry to disprove allegations that its medical teams in Haiti “harvested” organs of earthquake victims for use in transplants.

Her call has been sharply criticised by fellow LibDems, but party leader Nick Clegg has refused to act against her.

The organ theft claims were published last week in the Palestine Telegraph, an online journal based in Gaza of which Baroness Tonge is a patron.

In a statement to the JC, she said the Israel Defence Forces were “to be commended for their fantastic response to the Haitian earthquake”.

But she added: “To prevent allegations such as these — which have already been posted on YouTube — going any further, the IDF and the Israeli Medical Association should establish an independent inquiry immediately to clear the names of the team in Haiti.”

Ed Fordham, the Lib Dem candidate for Hampstead and Kilburn, said: “It’s abhorrent that anyone should suggest that something as perverse and sick as this should be investigated.”

Monroe Palmer, chairman of Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel, added: “Whilst I welcome Tonge’s approval of Israeli actions in Haiti, she is misguided to call for any investigation. On this basis, there could be calls for an investigation to discover the ‘truth’ in the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

215 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:41:00am

re: #212 MandyManners

They piss me off to no end at times, such as their defense of NAMBLA.

They also questioned the Commander-in-Chief in a time of war, slammed Congressionally authorized military commissions, and live to defend sumbags like Ramadan.

216 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:41:10am

re: #213 Mosh

Yep, I'm pretty proud of that one! :)

A Hamas "militant" (terrorist to those not with AP, AFP or Reuters) was killed in an Israeli air strike this week, along with some kids amongst whom he was hiding.

217 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:41:44am

KSM trial may not be in civilian court?

218 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:42:06am

re: #216 MandyManners

A Hamas "militant" (terrorist to those not with AP, AFP or Reuters) was killed in an Israeli air strike this week, along with some kids amongst whom he was hiding.

I thought that what's-his-name proved they didn't do that///

219 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:42:08am

re: #169 Obdicut

I love Hopkins!

THE WORLD is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man’s smudge and shares man’s smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.

And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs—
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.

220 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:42:47am

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

I am inclined to agree that this allegation does not dignify and inquiry.

221 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:03am

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

Goddammit.

222 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:27am

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

Tonge: Investigate IDF stealing organs in Haiti

MORE FUCKING BLOOD LIBEL!!!

This after the report from Desmond Travers (HRW Jew-hating bastard) that Hamas had fired but two rockets into Israel before the Gaza war and that there were no munitions stored in mosques and that the IDF targeted civilians.

223 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:28am

re: #220 filetandrelease

I am inclined to agree that this allegation does not dignify and inquiry.

post your sense make no does

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:41am

WAaaaaaay cool! Space Station gets a new room.

225 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:45am

Apparently I need more coffee, typos abundant this morning.

226 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:54am

re: #215 Mosh

They also questioned the Commander-in-Chief in a time of war, slammed Congressionally authorized military commissions, and live to defend sumbags like Ramadan.

Pretty much sums it up.

227 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:59am

re: #216 MandyManners

A Hamas "militant" (terrorist to those not with AP, AFP or Reuters) was killed in an Israeli air strike this week, along with some kids amongst whom he was hiding.

F**king cowards! These Islamists have no standard decency. Even "secularist" Muslims like Saddam Hussein use civilians as human shields.

228 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:09am

re: #204 SasyMomaCat

I saw an "electronic cigarette" in a tv ad the other day - no smoke, but does have vapor and the actions. Don't know anything about it, but it might help kick the habit . . .

Yes I've seen those. I debated trying something like that. I realized though that for me anyway the psychological part of smoking outweighs the physical addiction. I have fairly easily gone for a few days with no smokes when I'm in a place where I can't just smoke anytime I want and I'm doing something different then I usually do. The physical addiction is there of course but it's the smoke in hand habit, at certain times, that I really just have to change. I think with the electronic cigarette I'd end up just making those a habit. That would be better then real smokes of course but I'd rather just bite the bullet and change the whole association thing once and for all.

229 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:12am

re: #217 ggt

KSM trial may not be in civilian court?

Good.

230 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:15am

re: #223 Aceofwhat?

and = an

231 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:21am

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

I thought that what's-his-name proved they didn't do that///

Travers can kiss my ass.

232 swamprat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:43am

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

on topic

Youtube Video
233 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:51am

re: #222 MandyManners

MORE FUCKING BLOOD LIBEL!!!

It will never end, Mandy. It's been going on since, well, pretty much since the Jews have been a people.

234 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:45:23am

re: #228 Jadespring

sunflower seeds?

235 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:45:49am

re: #231 MandyManners

Travers can kiss my ass.

just not in bed...

236 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:46:41am

re: #233 thedopefishlives

It will never end, Mandy. It's been going on since, well, pretty much since the Jews have been a people.

It is a phenomenon I have never understood.

237 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:47:12am

re: #234 Aceofwhat?

sunflower seeds?

That's a good idea. I think I'll be sick of celery fairly soon.

238 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:47:40am

re: #222 MandyManners

MORE FUCKING BLOOD LIBEL!!!

This after the report from Desmond Travers (HRW Jew-hating bastard) that Hamas had fired but two rockets into Israel before the Gaza war and that there were no munitions stored in mosques and that the IDF targeted civilians.

Some people have no decency. I'd throw the French foreign minister in that bin after he accused the US aid force of occupying Haiti.

239 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:47:57am

re: #227 Mosh

F**king cowards! These Islamists have no standard decency. Even "secularist" Muslims like Saddam Hussein use civilians as human shields.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

240 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:48:52am

re: #217 ggt

KSM trial may not be in civilian court?

They were for it before they were against it.

241 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:49:39am

re: #233 thedopefishlives

It will never end, Mandy. It's been going on since, well, pretty much since the Jews have been a people.

Well, we now have the Internet to fight back.

242 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:50:10am

U.S. successfully tests airborne laser on missile

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. high-powered airborne laser weapon shot down a ballistic missile in the first successful test of a futuristic directed energy weapon, the U.S. Missile Defense Agency said on Friday.

The agency said in a statement the test took place at 8:44 p.m. PST (11:44 p.m. EST) on Thursday /0444 GMT on Friday) at Point Mugu's Naval Air Warfare Center-Weapons Division Sea Range off Ventura in central California.

"The Missile Defense Agency demonstrated the potential use of directed energy to defend against ballistic missiles when the Airborne Laser Testbed (ALTB) successfully destroyed a boosting ballistic missile" the agency said.

The high-powered Airborne Laser system is being developed by Boeing Co., the prime contractor, and the U.S. Missile Defense Agency.

Boeing produces the airframe, a modified 747 jumbo jet, while Northrop Grumman supplies the higher-energy laser and Lockheed Martin is developing the beam and fire control systems.

"This was the first directed energy lethal intercept demonstration against a liquid-fuel boosting ballistic missile target from an airborne platform," the agency added.

243 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:50:11am

re: #238 Mosh

Some people have no decency. I'd throw the French foreign minister in that bin after he accused the US aid force of occupying Haiti.

I admire Sarkozy for smacking him down.

244 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:50:36am

re: #240 MandyManners

They were for it before they were against it.

Der! Obama and Holder where just posturing for the hard-left kooks.

245 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:50:51am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. successfully tests airborne laser on missile

SDI is still bearing fruit.

Suck on that, Progs.

246 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:51:04am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. successfully tests airborne laser on missile

NICE. Navy railguns and Air Force lasers. I love the 21st century.

247 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:51:22am

re: #244 Mosh

Der! Obama and Holder where just posturing for the hard-left kooks.

But, Holder said it was *his* decision.

248 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:51:22am

re: #228 Jadespring

Yeah, that makes good sense. Breaking it altogether certainly beats replacing it with another habit. I'm sure you'll get plenty of Lizard support.

249 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:52:01am

re: #232 swamprat

on topic

[Video]

Thank you! Love Mr. Dylan!

250 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:52:06am

re: #245 MandyManners

SDI is still bearing fruit.

Suck on that, Progs.

Thank you President Reagan.

251 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:52:52am

re: #247 MandyManners

But, Holder said it was *his* decision.

Uh huh! Sure it was. And Tim Geithner isn't a tax cheat.

252 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:52:55am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

Another awesome step toward the Suborbital Ion Cannon. :D

253 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:52:56am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

I expect there will be an Onion article shortly about the laser being fired at a house and used to heat a gigantic Jiffy-Pop container...

254 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:52:59am

Cya people. Enjoy the rest of your day.

255 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:11am

re: #241 MandyManners

Well, we now have the Internet to fight back.

I've thought about writing some kind of academic paper on Internet warfare. From propaganda wars to actual, deliberate network sabotage, the intertubes are the battlefield of the future, and it's something more people need to realize.

256 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:14am

Good morning and Happy Lincoln's Birthday.

257 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:17am

re: #254 RogueOne

Bye - have a good one!

258 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:31am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you President Reagan.

I miss him.

259 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:42am

re: #243 MandyManners

I admire Sarkozy for smacking him down.

I am glad to hear that, didn't see it.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:54am

re: #252 laZardo

Another awesome step toward the Suborbital Ion Cannon. :D

Just don't let any of those pesky engineers near your base.

261 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:54:10am

re: #251 Mosh

Uh huh! Sure it was. And Tim Geithner isn't a tax cheat.

Someone of his position at the NY Fed used TurboTax!

262 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:54:24am

re: #254 RogueOne

Cya people. Enjoy the rest of your day.

You, too!

263 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:54:42am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

That would be very interesting research . . .

264 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:54:44am

re: #258 MandyManners

I miss him.

Me too. He was the first person I ever voted for.

265 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:54:50am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

I've thought about writing some kind of academic paper on Internet warfare. From propaganda wars to actual, deliberate network sabotage, the intertubes are the battlefield of the future, and it's something more people need to realize.

Now, that would be interesting.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:55:18am

re: #259 filetandrelease

I am glad to hear that, didn't see it.

I read it.

267 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:55:53am

re: #264 NJDhockeyfan

Me too. He was the first person I ever voted for.

Gus Hall and Angela Davis here.

268 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:55:58am

re: #265 MandyManners

heh - 8 seconds difference - GMTA

269 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:56:04am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

I've thought about writing some kind of academic paper on Internet warfare. From propaganda wars to actual, deliberate network sabotage, the intertubes are the battlefield of the future, and it's something more people need to realize.

yep. can't shoot lasers if someone locks up you network...

270 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:56:29am

re: #263 SasyMomaCat

re: #265 MandyManners

The problem, of course, is all in the sourcing. I'm becoming increasingly aware of the importance of one's sources in the field of original research. Since this would be a pretty new angle, there's not a lot of data out there to go on.

271 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:57:00am

re: #269 Aceofwhat?

yep. can't shoot lasers if someone locks up you network...

your
pimf
increase coffee IV drip...stat

272 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:57:04am

re: #258 MandyManners

Me too Mandy, me too.

273 garhighway  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:57:07am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. successfully tests airborne laser on missile

An aerial platform against boost-phase missiles? Could we get an aerial platform near enough to enemy ICBM launch sites for that to be useful? Or is this really more of a theater defense play?

274 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:57:18am

re: #270 thedopefishlives

It would certainly be a challenge, but doable if you have the time and inclination.

275 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:57:39am

re: #270 thedopefishlives

re: #265 MandyManners

The problem, of course, is all in the sourcing. I'm becoming increasingly aware of the importance of one's sources in the field of original research. Since this would be a pretty new angle, there's not a lot of data out there to go on.

submit it to a social sciences rag. sources unnecessary.

276 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:57:50am

re: #261 MandyManners

Someone of his position at the NY Fed used TurboTax!

Ironic. The guy who is supposed to arrest people for not understanding the tax code fails to understand it himself.

This should be a rallying cry for the tax reform movement. (no, not the Tea Partyers)

277 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:58:04am

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

submit it to a social sciences rag. sources unnecessary.

I'm an engineer. I don't do sloppy research.

278 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:58:07am

re: #268 SasyMomaCat

heh - 8 seconds difference - GMTA

Was the mind-meld good for you, too?

279 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:59:01am

re: #270 thedopefishlives

re: #265 MandyManners

The problem, of course, is all in the sourcing. I'm becoming increasingly aware of the importance of one's sources in the field of original research. Since this would be a pretty new angle, there's not a lot of data out there to go on.

I bet the federal government has a lot but, it's probably classified.

280 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:59:09am

re: #278 MandyManners

splendid - an honor and privilege to meld with a lizard of such high esteem!

281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:01:23am

re: #279 MandyManners

I bet the federal government has a lot but, it's probably classified.

FOIA requests could go a long way, if I had the inclination. Mostly the tack I think I'd be taking is correlating news articles, particularly in the discussion of propaganda wars. I think all of us lizards here know how often "news" gets published, and then quietly retracted or countermanded a few months later.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:01:42am

Bill Clinton's home from the hospital and Iran did What? yesterday. Nothing all that spectacular, I guess.

I think I'm all caught on on the happenings.

Did I miss anything?

283 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:01:46am

re: #279 MandyManners

And, given the volume, collecting, cataloging and tracking raw data on things like social networking, etc. would be quite challenging. There's enough stuff out there that IS available but would have to be properly documented to keep an entire research department busy.

284 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:02:00am

re: #279 MandyManners

I bet the federal government has a lot but, it's probably classified.

call the ACLU!

285 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:02:13am

Are the cave dweller running out of cash?

Is al Qaeda Bankrupt?

286 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:02:49am

re: #282 ggt

Bill Clinton's home from the hospital and Iran did What? yesterday. Nothing all that spectacular, I guess.

I think I'm all caught on on the happenings.

Did I miss anything?

LeBron James was inhuman again, so that was good...

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:03:28am

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

Are the cave dweller running out of cash?

Is al Qaeda Bankrupt?

Herion and pirated videos aren't has profitable as they used to be?

288 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:04:06am

Good morning, folks.

After a yard height of snow and a week away from the office, I'm finally back at my desk at work! Hooray!...

...wait, why the heck would I be celebrating that...

289 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:04:06am

re: #282 ggt

Bill Clinton's home from the hospital and Iran did What? yesterday. Nothing all that spectacular, I guess.

I think I'm all caught on on the happenings.

Did I miss anything?

Announced that they enriched it's first batch of uranium to 20% and the Mullahocracy crushed protesters under its heal.

290 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:04:50am

re: #272 Rightwingconspirator

Me too Mandy, me too.

Oh, thank you. That is beautiful.

291 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:05:50am

re: #276 Mosh

Ironic. The guy who is supposed to arrest people for not understanding the tax code fails to understand it himself.

This should be a rallying cry for the tax reform movement. (no, not the Tea Partyers)

That movement likely would be smeared with the same brush.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:06:14am

re: #288 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks.

After a yard height of snow and a week away from the office, I'm finally back at my desk at work! Hooray!...

...wait, why the heck would I be celebrating that...

No more shoveling?

293 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:06:14am

re: #288 MrSilverDragon

cabin fever?

(good morning, btw)

294 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:06:14am

re: #280 SasyMomaCat

splendid - an honor and privilege to meld with a lizard of such high esteem!

Cigarette?

295 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:06:14am

re: #287 ggt

Herion and pirated videos aren't has profitable as they used to be?

US and Israeli intelligence have been speculating about Al Qaeda's financial situation for over a year. Al Qaeda is having a funding problem but the Taliban are picking up the slack. The Taliban are very much in business.

296 laZardo  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:06:48am

Headin' to bed.

297 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:07:34am

re: #296 laZardo

Headin' to bed.

Graveyard shift later?

298 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:07:36am

re: #294 MandyManners

na, I don't smoke - I'll settle for a cup of coffee :) (typically, I just roll over and go to sleep. I know I had to have been a guy in a previous life! LOL)

299 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:07:50am

re: #281 thedopefishlives

FOIA requests could go a long way, if I had the inclination. Mostly the tack I think I'd be taking is correlating news articles, particularly in the discussion of propaganda wars. I think all of us lizards here know how often "news" gets published, and then quietly retracted or countermanded a few months later.

Would a FOIA request go far with the kind of information the Feds have about China?

I posted a link about the Chinese arresting a bunch of hackers and--IIRC--shutting down a site that teaches hacking the other day.

300 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:07:59am

re: #297 Mosh

sweet dreams!

301 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:08:18am

re: #283 SasyMomaCat

And, given the volume, collecting, cataloging and tracking raw data on things like social networking, etc. would be quite challenging. There's enough stuff out there that IS available but would have to be properly documented to keep an entire research department busy.

My head is spinning at the thought.

302 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:08:48am

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

call the ACLU!

If it could be used to show how bad the government is, they might go for it.

303 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:03am

re: #301 MandyManners

Still, I would love to see someone run with Fishy's idea. It would be very interesting research to follow . . .

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:07am

re: #298 SasyMomaCat

na, I don't smoke - I'll settle for a cup of coffee :) (typically, I just roll over and go to sleep. I know I had to have been a guy in a previous life! LOL)

Here you go!

305 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:16am

Renewable energy money still going abroad, despite criticism from Congress

Money from the 2009 stimulus bill to help support the renewable energy industry continues to flow overseas, despite Congressional criticism and calls for change, according to a new analysis of the program by the Investigative Reporting Workshop.

The Workshop was the first to report last October that more than 80 percent of the first $1 billion in grants to wind energy companies went to foreign firms. Since then, the administration has stopped making announcements of new grants to wind, solar and geothermal companies, but has handed out another $1 billion, bringing the total given out to $2.1 billion and the total that went to companies based overseas to more than 79 percent.

In fact, the largest grant made under the program so far, a $178 million payment on Dec. 29, went to Babcock & Brown, a bankrupt Australian company that built a Texas wind farm using turbines made by a Japanese company.

The same day the Workshop’s first reported on this story a consortium of American and Chinese companies announced a deal to build a $1.5 billion wind farm in Texas, using imported Chinese turbines. Company officials said they planned to collect $450 million in stimulus grants for the project. The deal would create dozens of jobs in the U.S. and thousands in China. The news provoked outrage among lawmakers, particularly after the Energy Department seemed to take a neutral stance, declining to say whether it would reject such an application.

“In all due respect I remind the secretary (of Energy) there is a four-letter word associated with the stimulus -- J-O-B-S,” Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., told ABC News who interviewed him for a report done in coordination with the Workshop’s ongoing investigation. “Very few jobs here, lots of jobs in China. That is not what I intended or any other legislator who voted for the stimulus intended.”

If companies want to buy Chinese turbines, they can, Schumer said, but they shouldn’t do it with tax dollars that were earmarked for jumpstarting an American industry.

306 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:22am

re: #302 MandyManners

If it could be used to show how bad the government is, they might go for it.

yep. sadly, i was only half-kidding.

307 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:29am

re: #273 garhighway

An aerial platform against boost-phase missiles? Could we get an aerial platform near enough to enemy ICBM launch sites for that to be useful? Or is this really more of a theater defense play?

Could be, but the test bed might not have much to do with the fielded systems-to-be.

308 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:49am

re: #304 ggt

danke!

309 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:09:55am

re: #282 ggt

Bill Clinton's home from the hospital and Iran did What? yesterday. Nothing all that spectacular, I guess.

I think I'm all caught on on the happenings.

Did I miss anything?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

310 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:10:05am

Drudge will not shut up about the snow.

He needs to watch this video.

Youtube Video
311 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:10:09am

Hamas thug Mashal says that next war wont be limited to just Gaza; it would be regional. When he says that he doesn't want war, be assured that is precisely what he wants - because his terror group is ideologically and politically tied to the destruction of Israel by any means necessary.

You can bet that Hamas is hoping that Hizbullah would jump ugly with Israel the next time it starts up its rocket war against Israel with Iran and Syria coordinating.

312 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:10:33am

re: #288 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks.

After a yard height of snow and a week away from the office, I'm finally back at my desk at work! Hooray!...

...wait, why the heck would I be celebrating that...

No more cabin fever?

313 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:10:55am

re: #293 SasyMomaCat

cabin fever?

(good morning, btw)

Oh, man. Again.

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:11:19am

re: #309 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wouldn't you love to be the one taking orders for protest flags. There has to be money in it.

315 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:11:20am

re: #298 SasyMomaCat

na, I don't smoke - I'll settle for a cup of coffee :) (typically, I just roll over and go to sleep. I know I had to have been a guy in a previous life! LOL)

LOL!

316 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:11:36am

re: #299 MandyManners

Would a FOIA request go far with the kind of information the Feds have about China?

I posted a link about the Chinese arresting a bunch of hackers and--IIRC--shutting down a site that teaches hacking the other day.

Depends on the classification. I'm not sure on the details of the Freedom of Information Act, but my understanding is that classified documents can be released on request only after they have been declassified, which could be years.

317 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:11:46am

re: #313 MandyManners

Oh, man. Again.

i thought she was sleeping the last one off///

318 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:11:58am

re: #311 lawhawk

Hamas thug Mashal says that next war wont be limited to just Gaza; it would be regional. When he says that he doesn't want war, be assured that is precisely what he wants - because his terror group is ideologically and politically tied to the destruction of Israel by any means necessary.

You can bet that Hamas is hoping that Hizbullah would jump ugly with Israel the next time it starts up its rocket war against Israel with Iran and Syria coordinating.

This future war may even unite the "moderate" Fatah and Hamas.

319 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:12:08am

re: #313 MandyManners

We're going to have people talking! LOL

320 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:12:59am

re: #311 lawhawk

Hamas thug Mashal says that next war wont be limited to just Gaza; it would be regional. When he says that he doesn't want war, be assured that is precisely what he wants - because his terror group is ideologically and politically tied to the destruction of Israel by any means necessary.

You can bet that Hamas is hoping that Hizbullah would jump ugly with Israel the next time it starts up its rocket war against Israel with Iran and Syria coordinating.

Hasn't Lebanon been jacking its jaw about the IAF flights over it?

321 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:13:34am

re: #316 thedopefishlives

Depends on the classification. I'm not sure on the details of the Freedom of Information Act, but my understanding is that classified documents can be released on request only after they have been declassified, which could be years.

My FOIA requests never delved into that kind of stuff.

322 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:13:48am

Israelis kill 2-3 Palestinian terrorists; attempted to plant bombs along the Gaza fence.

Unofficial Palestinian sources in Gaza reported at around noon Friday that two or three gunmen were killed in an exchange of fire with IDF soldiers near the Kissufim crossing.

Earlier, the IDF reported that the force fired mortar shells at the militants after they approached the border fence in an attempt to plant explosive devices along the security fence that separates Israel from Gaza, near Kibbutz Kissufim in the western Negev region.

The four gunmen arrived at the fence carrying grenades and assault rifles. At some point they planted one of the bombs, and an explosion was heard a short while later. Security officials estimated that the militants detonated the bomb in order to lure IDF forces to the area.

323 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:13:48am

re: #317 Aceofwhat?

i thought she was sleeping the last one off///

HAHAHAHA!

324 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:13:55am

re: #311 lawhawk

That could be a good thing, maybe Israel would take its gloves off.

325 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:14:18am

re: #318 Mosh

This future war may even unite the "moderate" Fatah and Hamas.

No fucking way. Those two will never unite.

326 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:14:43am

re: #320 MandyManners

Yes, they've been complaining since the end of the Lebanon war. Of course UNIFIL complains about it too, ignoring that they've failed to disarm Hizbullah, which was their primary mission in Lebanon.

327 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:14:50am

re: #322 lawhawk

Israelis kill 2-3 Palestinian terrorists; attempted to plant bombs along the Gaza fence.

How many more to go?

328 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:14:52am

re: #325 MandyManners

Which is a good thing -

329 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:15:50am

re: #325 MandyManners

No fucking way. Those two will never unite.

Hamas through Fatah off the roof along time ago.

330 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:15:54am

re: #326 lawhawk

Yes, they've been complaining since the end of the Lebanon war. Of course UNIFIL complains about it too, ignoring that they've failed to disarm Hizbullah, which was their primary mission in Lebanon.

Israel is surrounded by perils.

331 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:16:14am

gotta go.

Have a great day all!

332 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:16:24am

re: #331 ggt

Have a great one!

333 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:16:31am

re: #327 MandyManners

How many more to go?

You can't answer that out loud.

334 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:16:33am

re: #329 filetandrelease

Hamas through Fatah off the roof along time ago.

They would've thrown them under the bus but they don't have one.

335 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:16:58am

re: #334 MandyManners

they blew it up

336 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:18:41am

Good Morning and Happy Friday Everyone! I hope everyone is well this fine frigged day. :-)

337 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:18:45am

re: #335 SasyMomaCat

they blew it up

And used the sewer pipes for rockets!

338 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:19:21am

re: #336 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Friday Everyone! I hope everyone is well this fine frigged day. :-)

I saw a robin this morning! Of course, he was wearing an itty-bitty mink coat.

339 Ericus58  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:20:01am

re: #264 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't turn 18 until a month after the '76 election - worked as a young republican though. It was a sad day when Carter was announced the winner - the disappointment was heavy in the air where we assembled to watch the returns.

340 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:20:32am

re: #338 MandyManners

I saw a robin this morning! Of course, he was wearing an itty-bitty mink coat.

quick - someone throw paint on it///

341 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:20:35am

re: #336 Dragon_Lady

good morning!

342 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:20:39am

re: #336 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Friday Everyone! I hope everyone is well this fine frigged day. :-)

Were you trying for "frigid"?

343 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:20:56am

re: #339 Ericus58

I didn't turn 18 until a month after the '76 election - worked as a young republican though. It was a sad day when Carter was announced the winner - the disappointment was heavy in the air where we assembled to watch the returns.

for good reason. what a disaster, that guy.

344 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:21:13am

re: #325 MandyManners

No fucking way. Those two will never unite.

The enemy of the enemy is my friend. For now.

Maybe I'm pessimistic but I think that Fatah's new charter hints at further radicalization.

345 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:21:22am

Must be a very, very frigged morning out your way! I get the shivers just thinking about how cold it must be!

346 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:21:29am

re: #342 Decatur Deb

Were you trying for "frigid"?

i think it works either way!

347 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:21:30am

re: #340 Aceofwhat?

Preferably red?

348 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:22:08am

re: #342 Decatur Deb

Were you trying for "frigid"?

Yup, the spell checker gave me two g's instead of one. Sorry!

349 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:22:33am

bbiaw

350 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:22:44am

re: #336 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Friday Everyone! I hope everyone is well this fine frigged day. :-)

Good morning!

re: #338 MandyManners

I saw a robin this morning! Of course, he was wearing an itty-bitty mink coat.

We've had a cabalcade of birds in our yard, with the 5 feeders we have out there. Finches, cardinals, bluejays, doves, sparrows, titmouses, towhees, and a few mockingbirds. There's also a fat starling that likes to sit on the big feeder and eat. I'm surprised it can even fly with the amount of food it eats.

351 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:22:47am

re: #344 Mosh

What I want to know is why these folks that have gone off the deep end (of many different persuasions) don't just sink into obscurity. Why must they keep floating around?

352 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:23:35am

In other news, Bar Rafaeli got a tax deal from Israel.

353 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:23:53am

No work today, I"m gonna go play some Sims! Catch y'all later!

354 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:24:07am

re: #353 Mosh

Enjoy!

355 soap_man  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:24:40am

Morning all. Good post from FiveThirtyEight about the public's opinion of government waste.

356 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:24:51am

re: #350 MrSilverDragon

We've had a cabalcade of birds in our yard, with the 5 feeders we have out there. Finches, cardinals, bluejays, doves, sparrows, titmouses, towhees, and a few mockingbirds. There's also a fat starling that likes to sit on the big feeder and eat. I'm surprised it can even fly with the amount of food it eats.

Birdies, birdies, everywhere birdies! How tweet it is! :-)

357 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:25:26am

re: #350 MrSilverDragon

We've had a cabalcade of birds in our yard, with the 5 feeders we have out there. Finches, cardinals, bluejays, doves, sparrows, titmouses, towhees, and a few mockingbirds. There's also a fat starling that likes to sit on the big feeder and eat. I'm surprised it can even fly with the amount of food it eats.

the raccoons in my neighborhood are far too domesticated. i went out to take the steaks off of the grill last night in my backyard and only 20' away was a raccoon passing by who stopped and just stared at me, as if to say "what?"

358 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:25:42am

re: #344 Mosh

Fatah's "new" charter incorporates the old charter by reference. All the old references to the revolutionary destruction and destruction of Israel are incorporated in the new one. It's merely putting lipstick on a pig - the diplomats will happily overlook the incorporation by reference of the old charter and think that that Fatah has really changed this time, but it's the SS/DD. Welcome to the pseudoreality of the diplomats and politicians.

359 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:26:10am

re: #355 soap_man

looks like an interesting piece

360 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:27:58am

re: #357 Aceofwhat?

the raccoons in my neighborhood are far too domesticated. i went out to take the steaks off of the grill last night in my backyard and only 20' away was a raccoon passing by who stopped and just stared at me, as if to say "what?"

Our problem is the squirrels. They're bold, brazen, and not afraid of us. I can't count how many feeders they've ruined. They are afraid of our doberman, though, and she loves to give chase.

361 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:28:37am

re: #356 Dragon_Lady

Birdies, birdies, everywhere birdies! How tweet it is! :-)

Our highschool ran a bird-banding station. One winter two freeloading cardinals allowed themselves to be trapped once or twice a day to get the corn bait. Their band numbers have stuck with me for 50 yrs.

362 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:30:30am

re: #360 MrSilverDragon

Our problem is the squirrels. They're bold, brazen, and not afraid of us. I can't count how many feeders they've ruined. They are afraid of our doberman, though, and she loves to give chase.

Heh. Whereas our toy chihuahua is far, far lower on the food chain...

363 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:31:55am

re: #360 MrSilverDragon

Our problem is the squirrels. They're bold, brazen, and not afraid of us. I can't count how many feeders they've ruined. They are afraid of our doberman, though, and she loves to give chase.

We don't have much problems with squirrels in our court yard. Not since our cat Bear had one trapped in the pool drain for about three hours. Poor thing was exhausted and half drowned by the time I pulled Bear off of the "ready to pounce" pose. Ever since then I haven't seen a squirrel at all near the pool only out front.

364 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:32:00am

re: #2 iceweasel

Who doesn't love Eliot?!
(the poems, that is).

Excellent LOLcat rendition of the Wasteland, here.

That is ... amazing. I need the 4 quartets now... Or perhaps Prufrock?

William

365 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:32:52am

re: #360 MrSilverDragon

Our problem is the squirrels. They're bold, brazen, and not afraid of us. I can't count how many feeders they've ruined. They are afraid of our doberman, though, and she loves to give chase.

.22

366 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:33:11am

re: #355 soap_man

I like the breakdown Mr. Schaller gives of the types of waste. But, it seems to me that he thinks cutting pork and other efforts aren't worth it because they don't make up a substantial portion of the budget. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a budget wonk, but I do know that my family has addressed several areas that didn't make up a significant portion of our family budget as we've tightened our belts. And it DID make a difference. Part of it comes with a change in mindset, which begins impacting other areas.

I know you can't turn around something as large as our government on a dime, but it doesn't mean that it's futile to take small steps in the right direction.

367 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:36:35am

re: #365 Spare O'Lake

Speciesist!!!1!! I like squirrels as much as I like birds (and build my feeders out of scrap).

368 soap_man  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:37:25am

re: #366 SasyMomaCat

I like the breakdown Mr. Schaller gives of the types of waste. But, it seems to me that he thinks cutting pork and other efforts aren't worth it because they don't make up a substantial portion of the budget. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a budget wonk, but I do know that my family has addressed several areas that didn't make up a significant portion of our family budget as we've tightened our belts. And it DID make a difference. Part of it comes with a change in mindset, which begins impacting other areas.

I know you can't turn around something as large as our government on a dime, but it doesn't mean that it's futile to take small steps in the right direction.

Small steps absolutely matter. But I think if you want to significantly cut the deficit without raising taxes, you would have to make big cuts to at least one of the "big three": military, medicare and social security. This is highly unlikely, as any proposal or vote to do that to any of them would be political poison.

369 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:37:35am

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Speciesist!!!1!! I like squirrels as much as I like birds (and build my feeders out of scrap).

Oooh a new word! Are you a wordie too?

370 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:38:21am

re: #366 SasyMomaCat

I like the breakdown Mr. Schaller gives of the types of waste. But, it seems to me that he thinks cutting pork and other efforts aren't worth it because they don't make up a substantial portion of the budget. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a budget wonk, but I do know that my family has addressed several areas that didn't make up a significant portion of our family budget as we've tightened our belts. And it DID make a difference. Part of it comes with a change in mindset, which begins impacting other areas.

I know you can't turn around something as large as our government on a dime, but it doesn't mean that it's futile to take small steps in the right direction.

Maybe not, but newly elected Gov Christie is trying. He just announced a freeze in gov spending. Pissing many off. (can't get link to work.)

371 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:38:59am

re: #360 MrSilverDragon

Our problem is the squirrels. They're bold, brazen, and not afraid of us. I can't count how many feeders they've ruined. They are afraid of our doberman, though, and she loves to give chase.

Consider getting a cat, I'm sure our little catwarrior (she's even named "Mirri") has taken down at least one squirrel, which is why we try and keep her an indoor cat these days, not that its easy...

372 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:39:38am

re: #370 filetandrelease

Maybe not, but newly elected Gov Christie is trying. He just announced a freeze in gov spending. Pissing many off. (can't get link to work.)



N.J. Gov. Christie Freezes Spending

The snow isn't the only thing that's causing a chill in the Garden State.

Calling New Jersey's budget a "shambles," Gov. Chris Christie announced Thursday he is immediately freezing all state spending.

Saying New Jersey is on the verge of bankruptcy, Christie declared a fiscal emergency, announcing drastic cuts. Among them, aid to school districts that have excess surpluses.

"Today we are going to act swiftly to fix problems too long ignored. Today I begin to do what I promised the people of New Jersey I would do," Christie said.

The move had Democrats in an uproar, angry the governor used his executive powers instead of working with the Legislature.

373 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:39:50am

re: #370 filetandrelease

It's the expected response - and the freeze in spending is the start.

The problems are structural in nature - and overly optimistic revenue forecasts combined with increased state spending made a bad situation worse.

Rinse and repeat and it's the situation had all over the country including the feds.

374 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:40:03am

re: #369 Dragon_Lady

Oooh a new word! Are you a wordie too?

Once worked at an Army lab whose Equal Opportunity Office tried to suppress "rankism".

375 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:41:21am

re: #368 soap_man

I think some cuts could be made in those areas once it was demonstrated that they could do more with less. Moving toward the concept of "high performance organizations" for all three of these would be a step in the right direction. I'm pretty sure the military is probably one of the leanest in that trio - but I am likewise certain that they all have room for improvement. I've not seen an organization of any stripe that couldn't benefit from some real thorough and objective navel gazing.

376 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:41:25am

re: #374 Decatur Deb

Once worked at an Army lab whose Equal Opportunity Office tried to suppress "rankism".

Tried?? I assume they did not succeed?

377 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:42:23am

I just put my chicken soup on the stove. I have a big bright red stock pot, it looks like a cute little fire hydrant.

378 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:42:25am

re: #376 Dragon_Lady

Tried?? I assume they did not succeed?

The 2-star begged to differ.

379 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:43:06am

re: #370 filetandrelease

Good for him! That will force some parts of the state govt. to reevaluate how they apply the resources (both human and capital) at their disposal. Of course, some parts will just gripe and moan and go over budget.

380 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:43:39am

re: #377 Alouette

When will dinner be ready?

381 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:43:50am

re: #350 MrSilverDragon

We've had a cabalcade of birds in our yard, with the 5 feeders we have out there. Finches, cardinals, bluejays, doves, sparrows, titmouses, towhees, and a few mockingbirds. There's also a fat starling that likes to sit on the big feeder and eat. I'm surprised it can even fly with the amount of food it eats.

I love feeding the birds!


Youtube Video
382 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:43:56am

re: #378 Decatur Deb

The 2-star begged to differ.

Yeah I'll bet he/she did! My Dad always say that some people are ranker than others, either by attitude or smell.

383 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:44:57am

re: #371 jamesfirecat

Consider getting a cat, I'm sure our little catwarrior (she's even named "Mirri") has taken down at least one squirrel, which is why we try and keep her an indoor cat these days, not that its easy...

Heh, we do have two cats, and neither one will walk in the snow willingly, not even to chase "prey".

384 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:45:15am

re: #352 lawhawk

In other news, Bar Rafaeli got a tax deal from Israel.

My eyes popped out of my head.

385 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:46:22am

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Speciesist!!!1!! I like squirrels as much as I like birds (and build my feeders out of scrap).

I like the cute little gray and black squirrels, but the red squirrels are real varmints...they like to get into the attic and have been known to chew through wiring and insulation.

386 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:46:31am

re: #360 MrSilverDragon

Our problem is the squirrels. They're bold, brazen, and not afraid of us. I can't count how many feeders they've ruined. They are afraid of our doberman, though, and she loves to give chase.

I had to rig the feeder in Denver to keep them from opening the top and emptying it quickly.

387 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:46:53am

re: #383 MrSilverDragon

Heh, we do have two cats, and neither one will walk in the snow willingly, not even to chase "prey".

My Siamese would bring home jack rabbits even if she did eat a full meal, no matter how cold or rainy it was!

388 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:46:58am

re: #371 jamesfirecat

MrSilverDragon, if you're near SE TN, I know of a cat that is available for adoption!

389 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:47:02am

re: #383 MrSilverDragon

Heh, we do have two cats, and neither one will walk in the snow willingly, not even to chase "prey".

Our puppy just saw his first snow, and took to it well. We think he's mostly Great Pyr, so it makes sense.

390 soap_man  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:47:29am

re: #375 SasyMomaCat

I think some cuts could be made in those areas once it was demonstrated that they could do more with less. Moving toward the concept of "high performance organizations" for all three of these would be a step in the right direction. I'm pretty sure the military is probably one of the leanest in that trio - but I am likewise certain that they all have room for improvement. I've not seen an organization of any stripe that couldn't benefit from some real thorough and objective navel gazing.

Absolutely, but, again, I believe the problem is political. Lets say Obama believes the military could be more effecient, so he tells Gates to trim his $663.8 billion budget by, say, three percent. I would be fine with that, but it would take minutes before all Republicans and some hawkish Democrats to scream "Obama is slashing defense by $20 billion!!!!! He doesn't want to keep us safe!!!!" The same would be true for any Republican trying to do the same with medicare or social security. "Those evil Republicans hate old people!!!!"

Individually, I don't think people have the courage for it. Especially reps who would have to approve it...

391 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:47:29am

re: #363 Dragon_Lady

We don't have much problems with squirrels in our court yard. Not since our cat Bear had one trapped in the pool drain for about three hours. Poor thing was exhausted and half drowned by the time I pulled Bear off of the "ready to pounce" pose. Ever since then I haven't seen a squirrel at all near the pool only out front.

They didn't call PETA on your kitty?

392 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:47:29am

re: #384 MandyManners

My eyes popped out of my head.

i think she's cute too.

393 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:47:30am

re: #383 MrSilverDragon

Heh, we do have two cats, and neither one will walk in the snow willingly, not even to chase "prey".

Ahh sounds like you need to adopt another cat who won't let the cold bother it, might I suggest a Main Coon?

394 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:47:46am

re: #365 Spare O'Lake

.22

*whack*

395 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:48:45am

re: #390 soap_man

I think you hit the nail on the head. Especially with

Individually, I don't think people have the courage for it. Especially reps who would have to approve it.
396 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:48:48am

re: #373 lawhawk
We need more real leaders.

397 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:49:30am

re: #391 MandyManners

They didn't call PETA on your kitty?

Pets for the Ethical Treatment of Animals?

398 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:49:45am

re: #393 jamesfirecat

(the one for which my friend is trying to find a home is a Maine Coon, by coincidence)

399 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:49:48am

re: #396 filetandrelease

We need more real leaders.

Agreed, those imaginary ones don't get a whole lot done.

/yes, I am a smartass.

400 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:50:07am

re: #385 Spare O'Lake

I've heard that. Doesn't seem to be a problem with the local varmints.

401 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:50:19am

re: #377 Alouette

I just put my chicken soup on the stove. I have a big bright red stock pot, it looks like a cute little fire hydrant.

I'm slicing a pork loin roast to serve with a Vidalia onion and orange sauce tonight.

402 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:50:48am

re: #401 MandyManners

Homemade beef stew at my house.

403 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:17am

re: #397 Dragon_Lady

Pets for the Ethical Treatment of Animals?

People Eating T sty Animals

I'm a card carrying carnivore!

404 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:26am

re: #388 SasyMomaCat

MrSilverDragon, if you're near SE TN, I know of a cat that is available for adoption!

Are you near Chattanooga?

405 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:33am

re: #403 sattv4u2

nom nom nom

406 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:38am

re: #393 jamesfirecat

Ahh sounds like you need to adopt another cat who won't let the cold bother it, might I suggest a Main Coon?

I have a Maine Coon and she loves the cold! Doesn't much like the rain though. I'd love to see how she would take to snow! (We don't get much here in Los Angeles)

407 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:52am

re: #381 MandyManners

I love feeding birds too.

408 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:53am

re: #404 MandyManners

yes, as a matter of fact, I am

409 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:51:57am

re: #401 MandyManners

I'm slicing a pork loin roast to serve with a Vidalia onion and orange sauce tonight.

what time do you want me there? I'll bring my own fork!

410 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:52:18am

re: #392 Aceofwhat?

i think she's cute too.

Yeah, that's cute the way that Hiroshima was hit with a fire-cracker.

411 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:00am

re: #403 sattv4u2

People Eating T sty Animals

I'm a card carrying carnivore!

Me too! I adore a good bloody rare steak! If it ain't bleeding it ain't worth eating!

412 Sloppy  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:04am

I used to have a cat who killed and ate squirrels. All but the tails.

413 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:05am

re: #408 SasyMomaCat

(less than 1/2 an hour north of it)

414 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:27am

re: #397 Dragon_Lady

Pets for the Ethical Treatment of Animals?

Pets Eating Tasty Animals.

415 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:40am

re: #399 MrSilverDragon

Borrowed from MM.

"whack!"

416 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:52am

re: #402 SasyMomaCat

Homemade beef stew at my house.

It's been a while for me.

417 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:53:52am

re: #412 Sloppy

Dad used to dry the tails after skinning the squirrels for cooking and then my brother and I would tie them to the ends of sticks like flags . . .

418 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:54:08am

re: #411 Dragon_Lady

Me too! I adore a good bloody rare steak! If it ain't bleeding it ain't worth eating!

I think I love you!

When the waitress asks how I would like my steak cooked, I tell her "Very rare,,, with a little care, it could be walking again"

419 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:54:27am

re: #416 MandyManners

It's been a while for me.

in bed

(duckin')

420 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:54:38am

re: #403 sattv4u2

So are her cats.

PETA was contacted by a friend of mine (later seen at a presser on stage with Senator Durbin) about the Chinese poison food. They proceeded to upbraid my pal for feeding his cats meat. Go figure.

421 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:54:41am

re: #407 filetandrelease

I love feeding birds too.

My goodness.

422 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:54:54am

re: #407 filetandrelease

I love feeding birds too.

Holy S**T! I would never expect to see an Eagle take down a deer! Dang! Thats on big Eagle! :-0

423 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:54:59am

re: #416 MandyManners

It can be a little time consuming, but it makes a big enough batch that I can freeze what's left for a couple more meals.

424 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:55:32am

re: #420 Rightwingconspirator

So are her cats.

PETA was contacted by a friend of mine (later seen at a presser on stage with Senator Durbin) about the Chinese poison food. They proceeded to upbraid my pal for feeding his cats meat. Go figure.

right. everyone knows that cats are vegan in their natural habitat. sheesh.

425 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:55:35am

re: #408 SasyMomaCat

yes, as a matter of fact, I am

I never got to live there. I was mostly in the west and near Johnson City. Oh, I miss that area.

Do you ever get down to Atlanta?

426 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:00am

re: #409 sattv4u2

what time do you want me there? I'll bring my own fork!

I'm a terrible host. You do dishes.

427 Spider Mensch  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:01am

re: #393 jamesfirecat

Ahh sounds like you need to adopt another cat who won't let the cold bother it, might I suggest a Main Coon?

that's what we have. an orange tabby mainecoon, and feral monster mix...goes outside in any weather. 10 degrees outside..meow, let me out. Blizzar? meow..let me out. spent the last blizzard outside. only comes into eat and slepp. completely anti social. but amazingly lets our little boy torture him incessantly. 14 month old kids will do that to a cat. grabs handfulls of fur. pulls whiskers, takes his food away while the cat is eating it. The cat shows amazing restriant with the boy.

428 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:04am

re: #420 Rightwingconspirator

idiots

429 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:23am

re: #426 MandyManners

I'm a terrible host. You do dishes.

two words


PAPER PLATES!

430 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:32am

re: #412 Sloppy

I used to have a cat who killed and ate squirrels. All but the tails.

Did it bring the tails to you?

431 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:53am

re: #407 filetandrelease

I love feeding birds too.

Holy flippin' cow. That's one badass bird.

432 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:56:56am

re: #418 sattv4u2

I think I love you!

When the waitress asks how I would like my steak cooked, I tell her "Very rare,,, with a little care, it could be walking again"

You should see the faces of the waitress here in L.A. when I say that. The disgust is palatable and they usually have someone else bring me my dinner the wusses!

433 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:57:28am

re: #432 Dragon_Lady

You should see the faces of the waitress here in L.A. when I say that. The disgust is palatable and they usually have someone else bring me my dinner the wusses!

I KNOW I love you

434 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:57:38am

re: #425 MandyManners

I have a friend that lives up near Johnson City - beautiful up there. We make our way down to Atlanta every now and then (maybe once every year or two). I love it here. You're welcome to my spare room if you ever want to give it a visit!

435 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:57:40am

re: #428 SasyMomaCat

Needless to say we are ASPCA members. My cat did her own rant about it on her blog.

436 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:57:51am

re: #423 SasyMomaCat

It can be a little time consuming, but it makes a big enough batch that I can freeze what's left for a couple more meals.

With The Kid, a/k/a the Walking Garbage Disposer, things don't last long enough for that.

437 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:58:11am

re: #429 sattv4u2

two words


PAPER PLATES!

*thud*

438 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:59:09am

re: #427 Spider Mensch

A Maine Coon. That must be what my wife's cat is - or at least, her mama was. She was telling me a few nights ago that it was "some breed that starts with M", but it wasn't until I looked it up that I saw the family resemblance.

439 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:59:29am

re: #427 Spider Mensch

It's amazing the level of tolerance a cat will have with a small child. However, as the kid gets older, the cat WILL start setting boundaries in no uncertain terms. It's like they understand the developmental level of kids, despite the fact that they grow so much slower than kittens.

440 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:59:33am

re: #432 Dragon_Lady

You should see the faces of the waitress here in L.A. when I say that. The disgust is palatable and they usually have someone else bring me my dinner the wusses!

You are making them complicit in your crime.

441 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:00:13am

re: #361 Decatur Deb

I looked out one snowy day a few years back and had 14(!) cardinals queued up to use my feeder. Two in the feeder (one at each end) and twelve more sitting in the buckeye tree waiting their turn.

A wasted photo opportunity since it was one of those windless snows and the tree branches all had 1/2" of snow of them; with these blots of red where the male cardinals were sitting.

Once I started stocking my feeder year-round it became the intersection of territories for four mated pairs of cardinals. Round early evening they'd turn up. The males would squabble and chase each other around while the four females sat in the feeder or beneath it and ate sunflower seeds.

442 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:01:09am

re: #404 MandyManners

Are you near Chattanooga?

Unfortunately, no, I'm spitting distance from the DC.

443 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:01:10am

re: #436 MandyManners

It makes a full dutch oven. Dang, how do you stay in groceries?

444 Sloppy  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:01:38am

Re: Mandy Manners

He never cleaned up after himself. Just left the tails any old where. I remonstrated with him about it, but he just gave me that blank cat-stare and said, "It's a cat thing, Dad. You wouldn't understand."

445 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:01:43am

re: #441 oaktree

I love hummingbirds, and I've kept a hummingbird feeder at my parents' house ever since we moved. I particularly enjoy the territorial squabbles between the males, with the female just sitting there waiting for them to fly off so she can steal a drink while they're busy fighting.

446 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:01:59am

re: #434 SasyMomaCat

I have a friend that lives up near Johnson City - beautiful up there. We make our way down to Atlanta every now and then (maybe once every year or two). I love it here. You're welcome to my spare room if you ever want to give it a visit!

I loved being a ridge-runner.

447 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:02:07am

re: #441 oaktree

In Pennsylvania the males got a deep red in winter that looked almost artificial against the snow.

448 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:02:30am

re: #442 MrSilverDragon

bummer

449 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:02:36am

re: #433 sattv4u2

I KNOW I love you

I was raised with four brothers and I have no patience for mincing prissy little girl types. I guess that's why I have the dykes fawning over me so much. Yuck!

450 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:02:45am

re: #394 MandyManners

*whack*

I appreciate you not capitalizing...I'm very sensitive.

451 Bear  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:03:09am

A Happy Lincoln's Birthday to you. I miss this not being a holiday as it was in the past.

452 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:03:47am

re: #451 Bear

Good morning and happy Lincoln's Birthday to you, too!

453 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:03:48am

re: #442 MrSilverDragon

Unfortunately, no, I'm spitting distance from the DC.

There's a rique joke in there somewhere.

454 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:04:08am

re: #436 MandyManners

With The Kid, a/k/a the Walking Garbage Disposer, things don't last long enough for that.


I made a pot of my world famous chili last week, my younger son had a friend over, he ate 7 bowls.

455 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:04:10am

This is strange: Adviser to Detained Americans in Haiti Is Investigated


The police in El Salvador have begun an investigation into whether a man suspected of leading a trafficking ring involving Central American and Caribbean women and girls is also a legal adviser to many of the Americans charged with trying to take 33 children out of Haiti without permission.

456 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:04:32am

re: #420 Rightwingconspirator

So are her cats.

PETA was contacted by a friend of mine (later seen at a presser on stage with Senator Durbin) about the Chinese poison food. They proceeded to upbraid my pal for feeding his cats meat. Go figure.

We taught this lion to eat tofu!

457 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:04:36am

re: #453 MandyManners

I hope the punchline is not from the urban dictionary.

458 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:04:58am

Iran Loads Up On High-Tech Chinese Riot-Control Trucks

Today marks the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. And in anticipation of Green Movement protests today, Iran has a new fleet of scary, high-tech riot-control trucks.

Made in China, the trucks hold 2,640 gallons of water that they can spray at protesters from up to 220 feet away. The truck also contains three 26-gallon drums that can be filled with tear gas, burning chemicals, and paint. The paint marks protesters, so that if they slip pass a police cordon during the chaos of rioting, they can be picked up by the cops later in the day. Each truck costs around $650,000, but it is unknown how many the Iranian government purchased.

459 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:04:59am

re: #442 MrSilverDragon

Unfortunately, no, I'm spitting distance from the DC.

How appropriate.

460 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:04am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

This is strange: Adviser to Detained Americans in Haiti Is Investigated

This whole story is getting curiouser and curiouser.

461 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:14am

re: #451 Bear

Damn ,, I forgot to get him a present!!
/

462 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:19am

re: #454 filetandrelease

Good chili

463 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:23am

re: #447 Decatur Deb

This was at my former house in western Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh. Cardinals, chickadees, tufted titmouse (titmice?), nuthatch, bluejays, and woodpeckers there year-round (including a pileated woodpecker in the gully -- those things are monsters). Had house wrens nesting in the hedge during the summer as well.

464 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:27am

re: #451 Bear

A Happy Lincoln's Birthday to you. I miss this not being a holiday as it was in the past.

So Mrs. Lincoln, other than that did you enjoy the play?

465 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:32am

re: #443 SasyMomaCat

It makes a full dutch oven. Dang, how do you stay in groceries?

I shop a lot. My X is 6'4 and weighed 250 lbs. the last time I saw him--all muscle with a 51" chest so, if he grows like that, I'll spend my life cooking.

466 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:41am

re: #445 thedopefishlives

I love hummingbirds, and I've kept a hummingbird feeder at my parents' house ever since we moved. I particularly enjoy the territorial squabbles between the males, with the female just sitting there waiting for them to fly off so she can steal a drink while they're busy fighting.

My parents have a humming bird feeder too, talk about bird wars! Aggressive and nasty little suckers even thought they're beautiful! I wouldn't dare to have one around here, my cats already lick they're whiskers watching the birds out of the windows and humming birds would hardly be a snack for them!

467 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:05:55am

re: #460 thedopefishlives

This whole story is getting curiouser and curiouser.

It's starting to look really bad.

468 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:06:15am

re: #458 NJDhockeyfan

I think the model is called the Tienanmen sedan.
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469 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:06:40am

re: #466 Dragon_Lady

My parents have a humming bird feeder too, talk about bird wars! Aggressive and nasty little suckers even thought they're beautiful! I wouldn't dare to have one around here, my cats already lick they're whiskers watching the birds out of the windows and humming birds would hardly be a snack for them!

Even my parents' two gianormous beasts won't mess with the hummingbirds. They prefer things that crawl on the ground to things that fly, although they're not above wolfing down a barn swallow or two.

470 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:06:43am

re: #444 Sloppy

Re: Mandy Manners

He never cleaned up after himself. Just left the tails any old where. I remonstrated with him about it, but he just gave me that blank cat-stare and said, "It's a cat thing, Dad. You wouldn't understand."

Oh, I know that look!

I once had cat that liked to bring in dead birds and deposit them on right next to the stove. Sometimes they weren't dead.

471 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:07:20am

re: #465 MandyManners

I shop a lot. My X is 6'4 and weighed 250 lbs. the last time I saw him--all muscle with a 51" chest so, if he grows like that, I'll spend my life cooking.

tell me about it. my 15 year old son has 2-4 freinds over every Friday night/ Saturday, sometimes spending the night. I call them The Locusts

472 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:07:38am

re: #464 Spare O'Lake

So Mrs. Lincoln, other than that did you enjoy the play?

Ooouuuccchhh!

473 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:07:39am

re: #450 Spare O'Lake

I appreciate you not capitalizing...I'm very sensitive.

Yeah, your aim with the .22 let me know that.

474 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:08:13am

re: #454 filetandrelease

I made a pot of my world famous chili last week, my younger son had a friend over, he ate 7 bowls.

Did they have a farting contest?

475 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:01am

re: #454 filetandrelease

I made a pot of my world famous chili last week, my younger son had a friend over, he ate 7 bowls.

Why didn't you just give him some chili!?!?!?
/

476 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:05am

re: #457 Rightwingconspirator

I hope the punchline is not from the urban dictionary.

I didn't even get to the second stage.

477 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:06am

re: #463 oaktree

This was at my former house in western Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh. Cardinals, chickadees, tufted titmouse (titmice?), nuthatch, bluejays, and woodpeckers there year-round (including a pileated woodpecker in the gully -- those things are monsters). Had house wrens nesting in the hedge during the summer as well.

Our school was in Butler Co. A Pileated was like the Holy Grail, I don't think any of us ever saw one. We did liberate a Great Horned Owl from a chicken farmer. That was an epic.

478 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:08am

re: #470 MandyManners

Fresh for your cooking pot!

479 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:21am

re: #458 NJDhockeyfan

Seems that they're getting closer to one of these.

480 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:40am

re: #474 MandyManners

Did they have a farting contest?

LOL, actually I use mushrooms instead of beans in my chili. Don't know if that makes a difference in that regard though.

481 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:09:46am

re: #475 sattv4u2

Why didn't you just give him some chili!?!?!?
/

That one took a second to sink in, but I laughed when I finally got it.

482 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:10:00am

re: #458 NJDhockeyfan

Iran Loads Up On High-Tech Chinese Riot-Control Trucks

Gosh-darn fucking Chinese.

No wonder they're not backing down from refusing sanctions. Fucking dictators.

483 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:10:20am

re: #475 sattv4u2

Why didn't you just give him some chili!?!?!?
/


Poor kid, no wonder he ate so many bowls.

484 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:10:44am

re: #471 sattv4u2

tell me about it. my 15 year old son has 2-4 freinds over every Friday night/ Saturday, sometimes spending the night. I call them The Locusts

Pluck you clean!

485 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:11:25am

re: #484 MandyManners

Pluck you clean!

The dogs and the turtle hide when they invade

486 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:11:42am

re: #478 Rightwingconspirator

Fresh for your cooking pot!

The same cat brought a dead mouse to me and put it on my chest in Seattle. Very considerate cat.

487 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:11:44am

*** rodent/squirrel fans skip this comment ***

Ever since a bad experience with squirrels in his attic my brother has had a declared war on the rodents around his house and deals out "lead poisoning" with effective regularity.

Anecdote from my brother last night. Around dusk there was a squirrel up in a tree near the house chattering away. He gets out the pellet rifle (avoids using a .22 due to neighbors within 1/4 mile in each direction) and takes a shot. Hits, and seriously/fatal wounds the target mammal. Squirrel doesn't fall out of tree, but is hanging onto branch about fifteen feet up.

The smallest of the "shed cats" (three cats that live in the wood and storage shed) appears, scales the tree, and attacks the squirrel. Both fall out of the tree in claw-to-claw combat. The cat finishes the job, and hauls off the meal to be consumed with its brethren.

Appears that at least two of the three cats have picked up conditioning to turn up when the pellet rifle is fired.

488 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:12:08am

re: #480 filetandrelease

LOL, actually I use mushrooms instead of beans in my chili. Don't know if that makes a difference in that regard though.

I don't eat 'shrooms so I'm no help.

489 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:12:39am

re: #485 sattv4u2

The dogs and the turtle hide when they invade

You have a roving turtle?

490 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:12:43am

re: #487 oaktree

Appears that at least two of the three cats have picked up conditioning to turn up when the pellet rifle is fired.

Pavlovian conditioning, redneck style.

491 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:12:47am

re: #488 MandyManners

I don't eat 'shrooms so I'm no help.

THAT takes me back to my college days...

492 Sloppy  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:12:51am

Cats also are liars. "What disemboweled rabbit on the living room floor? Oh, that one. I think the baby did it."

493 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:13:20am

re: #488 MandyManners

I don't eat 'shrooms so I'm no help.

Bad trip in your younger days?

494 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:13:21am

re: #487 oaktree

Got copper pellets?

495 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:13:48am

re: #469 thedopefishlives

Even my parents' two gianormous beasts won't mess with the hummingbirds. They prefer things that crawl on the ground to things that fly, although they're not above wolfing down a barn swallow or two.

Yeah, our Pepper (the Maine Coon mix) caught a sparrow a couple of months ago. Ever since then I have to trail her outside to make sure the local wildlife doesn't become part of her menu. We have a pair of black headed titmice flying around our neighborhood and she just LOOOVES to watch/stalk them. They bathe in our pool on a daily basis and are smart enough to keep an eye on Pepper and out of her reach.

496 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:14:58am

re: #491 MrSilverDragon

THAT takes me back to my college days...

Anything that I will make me puke as part of the process I tended to avoid. And, I was scared of poisoning.

497 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:15:11am

re: #493 filetandrelease

Bad trip in your younger days?

496

498 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:15:45am

re: #489 MandyManners

You have a roving turtle?

(S)he (who knows!?!?!) is in a 25 gallon tank on the kitchen. In the tank theres a platform (s)he climbs on thats right under the basking lamp. When the locusts arrive, (s)he hides under the platform

499 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:16:20am

re: #477 Decatur Deb

I was in the northern part of Allegheny, bordering on Westmoreland County. I've seen pileated woodpeckers there, and also in the woods north of Cresson when deer hunting in Elk County.

Where my brother lives in western New York state he has yellow-bellied sapsuckers. Those purposefully make noise by tapping things as a way to claim territory. One of those discovered my brother's propane tank one day. Bong Bong Bong! Bong Bong Bong! Was at it all day.

500 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:18:07am

re: #494 Rightwingconspirator

Not sure what he uses for ammo. Probably not copper though.

501 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:18:16am

re: #465 MandyManners

(sorry slow - got sidetracked - that work thing)

Wow - I'll bet you'll be glad when he can learn to cook for himself!

502 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:18:24am

re: #498 sattv4u2

(S)he (who knows!?!?!) is in a 25 gallon tank on the kitchen. In the tank theres a platform (s)he climbs on thats right under the basking lamp. When the locusts arrive, (s)he hides under the platform

Thats one very smart turtle you have there!

503 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:19:46am

re: #498 sattv4u2

(S)he (who knows!?!?!) is in a 25 gallon tank on the kitchen. In the tank theres a platform (s)he climbs on thats right under the basking lamp. When the locusts arrive, (s)he hides under the platform

How does one sex a turtle?

504 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:19:47am

re: #499 oaktree

I was in the northern part of Allegheny, bordering on Westmoreland County. I've seen pileated woodpeckers there, and also in the woods north of Cresson when deer hunting in Elk County.

Where my brother lives in western New York state he has yellow-bellied sapsuckers. Those purposefully make noise by tapping things as a way to claim territory. One of those discovered my brother's propane tank one day. Bong Bong Bong! Bong Bong Bong! Was at it all day.

Oh that's funny!

505 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:19:58am

re: #499 oaktree

Drove down through there a year ago. For some reason I wanted my wife to see Tidiout. Always wanted to canoe from there down to Pittsburgh, but have shifted plan to the Suwannee.

506 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:20:06am

re: #503 MandyManners

How does one sex a turtle?

Very carefully?

507 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:20:28am

re: #503 MandyManners

How does one sex a turtle?

From what I can tell, very slowly.

/I gotta stop that.

508 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:20:29am

re: #503 MandyManners

How does one sex a turtle?

Flowers and chocolate.

509 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:20:33am

re: #501 SasyMomaCat

(sorry slow - got sidetracked - that work thing)

Wow - I'll bet you'll be glad when he can learn to cook for himself!

Oh, you know it. But, with ADHD, I'll have to observe him for ages.

510 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:20:40am

re: #506 Dragon_Lady

Very carefully?

Especially if it is a snapper.

511 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:20:51am

re: #500 oaktree

I think he can get copper, and really should. Or some extra velocity so the job gets done and the pellet departs the immediate scene.

512 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:21:16am

re: #503 MandyManners

I think I saw that link here once before!

513 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:21:19am

re: #486 MandyManners

Loving little guy - brought you presents all the time. Sweet. Gross, but sweet.

514 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:22:51am

Hey, I just checked my Karma and I'm only 4 updings away from 1000!

515 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:23:00am

re: #380 SasyMomaCat

When will dinner be ready?

We'll probably eat around 7-ish.

516 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:23:02am

re: #510 filetandrelease

Especially if it is a snapper.

I saw this turtle smack-dab in the middle of the on-coming lane a year or so ago. When I picked it up, it hissed at me and tried to take off a few fingers.

517 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:23:21am

re: #514 Dragon_Lady

Hey, I just checked my Karma and I'm only 4 updings away from 1000!

Now only 3.

518 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:23:49am

re: #514 Dragon_Lady

Hey, I just checked my Karma and I'm only 4 updings away from 1000!

Made it! Congrats!

519 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:24:19am

re: #503 MandyManners

How does one sex a turtle?

I usually start with flowers and a bottle of wine!

520 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:24:36am

re: #516 MandyManners
Not a turtle you want to mess with.

521 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:24:57am

re: #516 MandyManners

I saw this turtle smack-dab in the middle of the on-coming lane a year or so ago. When I picked it up, it hissed at me and tried to take off a few fingers.

My parents snagged a turtle on accident on their last fishing vacation here in Minnesota. Started hauling on the line, thinking they'd caught a small shark or something, and up came this turtle. Wound up cutting the line because the thing wouldn't let them anywhere near close enough to get it loose.

522 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:25:35am

re: #518 Alouette

Made it! Congrats!

Thanks! You all just made my day a little brighter! :-)

523 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:25:41am

re: #509 MandyManners

Maybe you will be able to harness the power of hyperfocus. (spoken as a high function ADHD poster child, myself - the Adult ADHD diagnosis made so many things from my childhood make more sense)

524 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:25:43am

re: #519 sattv4u2

Usually?!

525 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:25:46am

re: #519 sattv4u2

I usually start with flowers and a bottle of wine!

True enough, flowers are fine, but liqueur is quicker.

526 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:26:30am

re: #521 thedopefishlives

My parents snagged a turtle on accident on their last fishing vacation here in Minnesota. Started hauling on the line, thinking they'd caught a small shark or something, and up came this turtle. Wound up cutting the line because the thing wouldn't let them anywhere near close enough to get it loose.

Yeah I've heard snapping turtles can get pretty nasty, fingers beware!

527 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:26:53am

re: #520 filetandrelease

Not a turtle you want to mess with.

I had no idea what I was getting into. I ran really quickly to get him to the ditch on my side of the road. Someone with a lick of sense would've put him down on the closest side but he was heading for the other side.

528 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:27:13am

re: #526 Dragon_Lady

Yeah I've heard snapping turtles can get pretty nasty, fingers beware!

He was pretty massive, too. And obviously very hungry.

529 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:27:13am

re: #524 Rightwingconspirator

Usually?!

Thats just not a mental picture I needed!

530 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:27:17am

re: #526 Dragon_Lady

Yeah I've heard snapping turtles can get pretty nasty, fingers beware!

Good to eat though.

531 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:27:22am

re: #519 sattv4u2

court turtles regularly, do ya?/

532 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:27:27am

re: #524 Rightwingconspirator

Usually?!

If they're Lit majors, he just feeds them some Rossetti.

533 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:27:29am

re: #521 thedopefishlives

My parents snagged a turtle on accident on their last fishing vacation here in Minnesota. Started hauling on the line, thinking they'd caught a small shark or something, and up came this turtle. Wound up cutting the line because the thing wouldn't let them anywhere near close enough to get it loose.

That was one pissed-off turtle!

534 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:28:07am

re: #523 SasyMomaCat

Maybe you will be able to harness the power of hyperfocus. (spoken as a high function ADHD poster child, myself - the Adult ADHD diagnosis made so many things from my childhood make more sense)

Oh, he has the hyper-focus down.

535 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:28:12am

re: #530 filetandrelease

A Philippine co worker joked with me that turtle is the one soup that comes with its own bowl. I guess its a local fave.

536 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:28:22am

re: #530 filetandrelease

Good to eat though.

I've eaten some pretty odd foods but I've never tried turtle before...

537 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:28:43am

re: #534 MandyManners

Let me guess - video games?

538 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:29:05am

Something's not right with my e-mail. I've not received a one in two days. Gotta' see what's happening. bbiab

539 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:29:25am

re: #535 Rightwingconspirator

They say there's no tastier meat than turtle meat (7 different flavors in one critter is what I've been told).

540 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:29:40am

re: #536 Dragon_Lady

I've have snapper soup before. Was served with a small glass of sherry on the side for adding to it. Very rich.

541 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:29:50am

re: #535 Rightwingconspirator

A Philippine co worker joked with me that turtle is the one soup that comes with its own bowl. I guess its a local fave.

Did that as a scout many years back with a slider, the tastiest for sure, but not the best way to cook 'em.

542 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:30:38am

All of Glenn Beck's commercial sponsors have quit him!!!

During the last week and a half, Glenn Beck lost his 100th, 101st and 102nd sponsors. A full list of all 102 sponsors that dropped Mr. Beck (or Fox News as a whole) can be found here. Please note that this total includes sponsors that have dropped him both United States and/or in the United Kingdom.

It seems like our efforts are having an effect…

Glenn Beck’s show in the United Kingdom has not run any commercials during the past three days (Tues-Thurs). Glenn Beck’s show in the UK used to run commercials. The shows that come on before and after Glenn Beck still run commercials. But, for the past three days, Mr. Beck hasn’t had any sponsors in the U.K. During the commercial break, instead of running ads, they cut away to Sky News updates or the weather. Perhaps they’re having trouble finding sponsors willing to subsidize Glenn Beck’s misinformation, vitriol, sexism and race-baiting?

543 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:31:10am

re: #539 SasyMomaCat

They say there's no tastier meat than turtle meat (7 different flavors in one critter is what I've been told).

I've only ever had the soup, and it was a mockery.

544 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:32:26am

I have heard of Mock Turtle soup, but Mockery???

545 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:33:26am

re: #542 Killgore Trout

All of Glenn Beck's commercial sponsors have quit him!!!

Score one for the good guys. Cue the whining about the Zionist lobby in 3...2...1...

546 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:33:37am

re: #543 Cato the Elder

I've only ever had the soup, and it was a mockery.

Usually turtle soup is of the salt water variety. It is the only ones that can be ( used to be) commercially harvested. Fresh water turtles of the right variety are actually tasty.

547 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:34:51am

re: #546 filetandrelease

It's fresh water to which these folks were referring. Usually caught in fishing, not purchased. (what can I say, we in the rural South will eat just about anything)

548 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:35:25am

re: #543 Cato the Elder

Wasn't sure if that was a play on words or if I missed something?

549 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:36:27am

re: #545 thedopefishlives

As much as I detest Beck I'm not in favor of these boycotts. If Fox wants to give him a platform then they have the right to put him on the air. I'm not in favor of using economic pressure to get him silenced.

550 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:36:27am

re: #548 SasyMomaCat

Wasn't sure if that was a play on words or if I missed something?

Maybe, but I don't think so....

551 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:37:01am

re: #477 Decatur Deb

Our school was in Butler Co. A Pileated was like the Holy Grail, I don't think any of us ever saw one. We did liberate a Great Horned Owl from a chicken farmer. That was an epic.

There's a big old dead tree 150 feet from the window behind my monitor. I see 2 Pileated Woodpeckers on it nearly every day. Lastly yesterday, but not yet today. It's amazing how the wood chips fly when they get going.

552 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:37:04am

re: #547 SasyMomaCat

It's fresh water to which these folks were referring. Usually caught in fishing, not purchased. (what can I say, we in the rural South will eat just about anything)

There are or used to be restaurants that sold turtle soup. I never had any that I liked, and it was always salt water turtles.

Being from the south my self, I have had my share of turtle.

553 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:37:15am

re: #544 Dragon_Lady

Its cooked in a Mock Pot.

554 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:37:24am

re: #492 Sloppy

Cats also are liars. "What disemboweled rabbit on the living room floor? Oh, that one. I think the baby did it."

When I was about fifteen, I came home from school one day, and my parents met me at the door looking Concerned.

I figured they thought I was on drugs or something. They said they had a Question to ask me. We went into the living room, and they showed me the dead bird on the sofa.

I denied all knowledge of it, and suggested that the dog might have brought it in from the yard.

I swear, that appeared to be a new idea to them.

My parents had their moments of extreme weirdness.

555 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:37:25am

re: #537 SasyMomaCat

Let me guess - video games?

Oh, you know it.

556 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:37:29am

re: #549 Killgore Trout

However, sponsors do have a right, likewise, to decide whether or not they want to have their products associated with Beck (or, for that matter, Fox News)

558 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:38:16am

re: #557 NJDhockeyfan

Iranian Atomic Energy Organization Head Ali-Akbar Salehi: Attacking Iran's Nuclear Facilities Will Spell the End of Israel

Or maybe it will spell the end of Iran's nuclear facilities.

559 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:38:16am

re: #553 Rightwingconspirator

Its cooked in a Mock Pot.

Gee... I wonder what one of those looks like...

560 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:38:21am

Tennessee Mosque Vandalized After Local TV Station Airs Irresponsible Report On ‘Homegrown Jihad’

Crazy Pam has written about this mosque in the past as well. Notice the graffiti includes Christian symbolism.

561 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:38:37am

re: #549 Killgore Trout

As much as I detest Beck I'm not in favor of these boycotts. If Fox wants to give him a platform then they have the right to put him on the air. I'm not in favor of using economic pressure to get him silenced.

The thing is, it's not like he's being completely silenced. They can keep him on the air if they really want to. I just think it's good that people are really realizing just what a nutjob he is, and that companies are taking the association with him seriously.

562 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:38:44am

re: #557 NJDhockeyfan

Iranian Atomic Energy Organization Head Ali-Akbar Salehi: Attacking Iran's Nuclear Facilities Will Spell the End of Israel

Damned if they do, Damned if they don't.

563 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:39:06am

re: #552 filetandrelease

I would imagine, for a restaurant, anyway, it would have to be commercially available. (kind of like I doubt you'll find a restaurant with coon on the menu)

564 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:39:13am

re: #545 thedopefishlives

Score one for the good guys. Cue the whining about the Zionist lobby in 3...2...1...

Whining from whom?

565 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:39:16am

re: #542 Killgore Trout

I'm very skeptical ( But, for the past three days, Mr. Beck hasn’t had any sponsors in the U.K. ).

Any station would have notice of sponsor(s) dropping ads. Any station, with such notice would do one of two things
A) replace with another sponsor
B) replace the show

They didn't do "B" (which can be done on literally a moments notice)

566 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:39:44am

re: #554 SanFranciscoZionist

When I was about fifteen, I came home from school one day, and my parents met me at the door looking Concerned.

I figured they thought I was on drugs or something. They said they had a Question to ask me. We went into the living room, and they showed me the dead bird on the sofa.

I denied all knowledge of it, and suggested that the dog might have brought it in from the yard.

I swear, that appeared to be a new idea to them.

My parents had their moments of extreme weirdness.

Don't they all?

567 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:40:17am

re: #555 MandyManners

That's the subject of my son's hyper-focus, too, quite often. (poor kid got my genes)

568 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:40:42am

In Al-Jazeera TV Debate on Obama's First Year, Former U.S. Senate Candidate Muhammad Said Al-Bourini, Says Obama 'Brought Zionist Jews into his administration... to Monitor Them Closely'; 'He Wanted There To Be Division Among U.S. Jewry – So That They Would Join Him and J-Street, and Confront... AIPAC'

...

"When Obama came [to power], they burdened him with terrible problems – economic issues, health issues, and so on. He brought Zionist Jews into his administration, and in my opinion, [this was because] he wanted to monitor them closely, because he knew that they had tried to topple him from the outset.

"He wanted there to be division among U.S. Jewry, so that they would join him and J-Street, and confront the Zionist pressure exerted by AIPAC. But he did not succeed."

570 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:41:00am

re: #563 SasyMomaCat

I just haven't seen any in a restaurant in a while. Sea turtles around here are protected now. Not sure about else where.

571 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:41:19am

re: #562 filetandrelease

Damned if they do, Damned if they don't.

In this case I think its just being "Damned" period!

572 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:41:41am

re: #503 MandyManners

How does one sex a turtle?

Get two. See which one is on top.

573 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:41:50am

re: #557 NJDhockeyfan

Iranian Atomic Energy Organization Head Ali-Akbar Salehi: Attacking Iran's Nuclear Facilities Will Spell the End of Israel

I think that would be more truthful if it said "NOT attacking Iran's nuclear facilities will spell the end of Israel."

574 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:42:00am

Anyone else catching the marginalization and defense of the Tea Parties at Newsbusters recently, after the Newsweek article came out? Fun stuff.

575 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:42:39am

re: #560 Killgore Trout

Tennessee Mosque Vandalized After Local TV Station Airs Irresponsible Report On ‘Homegrown Jihad’

Crazy Pam has written about this mosque in the past as well. Notice the graffiti includes Christian symbolism.

Ugly. Ugly. Ugly.

576 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:42:48am

re: #572 Naso Tang

Get two. See which one is on top.

But there could be a flaw with that plan, what if the turtles happen to be of an alternative lifestyle?

577 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:43:00am

re: #570 filetandrelease

Makes sense. I wasn't close enough to salt water to have much in terms of local seafood. Funny thing, many folks considered local catfish restaurants to be seafood restaurants.

578 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:43:09am

re: #560 Killgore Trout

Tennessee Mosque Vandalized After Local TV Station Airs Irresponsible Report On ‘Homegrown Jihad’

Crazy Pam has written about this mosque in the past as well. Notice the graffiti includes Christian symbolism.

Those damned Christians, always starting trouble. //

579 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:43:17am

re: #559 Dragon_Lady

Gee... I wonder what one of those looks like...

Pretty much like a Wock pot.

580 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:43:49am

re: #567 SasyMomaCat

That's the subject of my son's hyper-focus, too, quite often. (poor kid got my genes)

I'm sure I have ADHD but, not to the extent that The Kid has it.

581 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:43:50am

re: #572 Naso Tang

Not foolproof . . . I would go further, but I figure you can fill in the blanks ;)

582 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:44:04am

re: #577 SasyMomaCat
lol

583 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:44:29am

Church fires continue across Texas. 10 and counting. Seven have been ruled arson.

A string of church arsons in East Texas has congregations mobilizing to guard their houses of worship, while investigators dig through charred buildings for evidence.

Authorities are examining 10 fires in the area this year, seven of which have been ruled arsons, according to Tom Crowley, a spokesman from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The targeted churches have varied in denomination, size and race of their members. The area is populated mostly with small towns and rural communities. Investigators have said little about how the fires were set or who is likely behind them.

No one has been injured, but the damage to the churches is in the millions of dollars.

585 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:46:00am

re: #576 MrSilverDragon

But there could be a flaw with that plan, what if the turtles happen to be of an alternative lifestyle?

Doesn't matter. If you consider the mechanics of turtles, it's no fun for the female on top.

586 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:46:18am

re: #560 Killgore Trout

Tennessee Mosque Vandalized After Local TV Station Airs Irresponsible Report On ‘Homegrown Jihad’

Crazy Pam has written about this mosque in the past as well. Notice the graffiti includes Christian symbolism.

That particular cross is linked historically to the crusades.

587 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:46:32am

Kenya Wants Israel’s Help Against Jihadists

The Minister for Public Security, Yitzchak Aharonovich, met his Kenyan counterpart Prof. George Saitoti in Jerusalem Thursday, and the two discussed their countries’ security and criminal problems.

Minister Saitoti told Aharonovich that Kenya is under threat from extremist Muslims. “The jihad is taking over Somalia and threatening to take over Kenya and all of Africa,” he said. “No one is more experienced than you in fighting internal terror. I request that you help us in this matter. In knowledge, in training.”

588 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:46:49am

re: #585 Naso Tang

Doesn't matter. If you consider the mechanics of turtles, it's no fun for the female on top.

And you know this how???/

589 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:46:59am

re: #583 lawhawk

At least it's not just black churches, as it was that one terrible summer I remember.

I hate arsonists. Humanity bands together to fight fire. Starting it is abominable.

590 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:47:04am

re: #585 Naso Tang

Or if it is two males, the one on the bottom.

591 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:47:11am

re: #583 lawhawk

Church fires continue across Texas. 10 and counting. Seven have been ruled arson.

Who?

592 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:47:27am

Introducing the Zionist Keffiyeh

So cool! I have to find a supplier so that I can sell this at the Zionist Mall.

593 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:47:47am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

Wow

594 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:47:57am

re: #580 MandyManners

There can be advantages - we tend to be quite creative.

595 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:48:45am

Huffpo:

Israel Needs to be Put in Time-Out

596 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:49:39am

re: #592 Alouette

Introducing the Zionist Keffiyeh

So cool! I have to find a supplier so that I can sell this at the Zionist Mall.

I don't know if I could bring myself to wear one.

597 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:50:05am

re: #592 Alouette

Very cool!

598 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:51:12am

re: #588 Dragon_Lady

And you know this how???/

I don't know how far we can take this, but I do pick them up from time to time in the woods. Let us just say that if the one on the bottom is on its back, then I might have doubts.

599 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:51:15am

re: #594 SasyMomaCat

There can be advantages - we tend to be quite creative.

Yep. But, channeling it is a challenge. I had no academic issues but, I was always getting C's in conduct which kept me on constant probation with the Beta Club. Damn fascists.

600 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:51:32am

re: #565 sattv4u2

I'm very skeptical ( But, for the past three days, Mr. Beck hasn’t had any sponsors in the U.K. ).

Any station would have notice of sponsor(s) dropping ads. Any station, with such notice would do one of two things
A) replace with another sponsor
B) replace the show

They didn't do "B" (which can be done on literally a moments notice)

Yeah, I'm suspicious of that too. It might just be an internal matter within the Fox affiliate in the UK.

601 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:51:33am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

Someone has had a time out from reality - and the facts on the ground. Fatah has continued to engage in revolutionary struggle to destroy Israel (enshrined in its original charter, which was incorporated by reference in the new "improved" charter). Hamas repeatedly calls for Israel's destruction and refuses a 2-state solution.

Who exactly among those terror groups and which comprise the PA are Israel's partner in peace? Yet, it's Israel that needs the time out? [deleted]

602 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:51:52am

re: #590 filetandrelease

Or if it is two males, the one on the bottom.

Hah. Thought of that. But the one on top is still a male, right?

603 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:52:04am

re: #592 Alouette

Introducing the Zionist Keffiyeh

So cool! I have to find a supplier so that I can sell this at the Zionist Mall.

That's gonna rattle some cages...

604 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:52:25am

re: #586 Decatur Deb

That particular cross is linked historically to the crusades.


Ah, thanks. I thought I'd seen that somewhere before.

605 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:52:27am

Ratings Rabbit's run run run!

606 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:52:34am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

Huffpo:

Israel Needs to be Put in Time-Out

Is Ami Kaufman Samantha Power's nom de guerre?

607 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:52:38am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

Kenya Wants Israel’s Help Against Jihadists

Win/Win for Kenya

Get rid of the radicals AND get to blame Israel if any of them are treated "harshly" or "disproportionate response"

608 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:52:40am

re: #602 Naso Tang
Yes, and apparently having a better time.

609 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:53:09am

re: #598 Naso Tang

KINK-EEE

610 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:54:11am

re: #604 Killgore Trout

Ah, thanks. I thought I'd seen that somewhere before.

"Jerusalem Cross" for googling purposes.

611 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:54:22am

re: #592 Alouette

Introducing the Zionist Keffiyeh

So cool! I have to find a supplier so that I can sell this at the Zionist Mall.

Learn something new every day! I had no idea you could get Jewish memorabilia on the web! Very cool, I have to book mark that website for when I need a Chanukkah gift!

612 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:54:46am

gotta run for now - hope to be back before the day is out. If not, have a FABULOUS weekend!

613 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:55:12am

re: #607 sattv4u2

Win/Win for Kenya

Get rid of the radicals AND get to blame Israel if any of them are treated "harshly" or "disproportionate response"

You doubled-up your cynicism meds this morning.

614 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:55:39am

re: #612 SasyMomaCat

gotta run for now - hope to be back before the day is out. If not, have a FABULOUS weekend!

Bye!

615 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:56:59am

hey lizards .... heading out for the weekend to see the kid at school ...

iran is on the brink of something major ... one way or the other. last time this happened, we had the midwife of islamofascism (carter) in office. and carter's legacy has been a 30+ year disaster. i just hope that my fears about Obama don't come true and he steps up to do something succesful with iran. because what I am seeing vis-a-vis Obama and iran is not hopeful.

616 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:57:36am

re: #613 MandyManners

You doubled-up your cynicism meds this morning.

This isn't my 1st rodeo. I've seen a LOT of things

617 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:57:57am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

Huffpo:

Israel Needs to be Put in Time-Out

Paternalistic MSM hooey.

618 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:59:15am

re: #617 Spare O'Lake

Paternalistic MSM hooey.

I think it's beyond hooey. I'm leaning more towards male bovine excrement.

619 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:59:52am

re: #615 _RememberTonyC

hey lizards ... heading out for the weekend to see the kid at school ...

iran is on the brink of something major ... one way or the other. last time this happened, we had the midwife of islamofascism (carter) in office. and carter's legacy has been a 30+ year disaster. i just hope that my fears about Obama don't come true and he steps up to do something succesful with iran. because what I am seeing vis-a-vis Obama and iran is not hopeful.

Well, he's placed a bunch of Patriots in four of Iran's neighboring nations.

620 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 8:59:57am

re: #618 MrSilverDragon

I think it's beyond hooey. I'm leaning more towards male bovine excrement.

Very well put! Upding!

621 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:00:15am

re: #618 MrSilverDragon

I think it's beyond hooey. I'm leaning more towards male bovine excrement.

One of the most condescending articles I have read in a long time.

622 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:00:37am

re: #616 sattv4u2

This isn't my 1st rodeo. I've seen a LOT of things

Bet you've been to a few fairs and a couple of goat-ropings.

623 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:01:07am

See ya lizards....off to work!

624 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:01:14am

TGIF, mofos

625 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:01:28am

re: #623 NJDhockeyfan

See ya lizards...off to work!

Thaks for the interesting links!

626 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:01:39am

re: #619 MandyManners

Well, he's placed a bunch of Patriots in four of Iran's neighboring nations.

ok, so he's good on missiles ... do those patriots stop terrorists too?

627 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:04am

BTW ,,,
Rep. Kennedy to bow out, spelling end to family era
Will not seek a 9th term in R.I

[Link: www.boston.com...]


This will be the 1st time in 60 YEARS there won't be a Kennedy in office in Washington

Let me repeat that

This will be the 1st time in 60 YEARS there won't be a Kennedy in office in Washington

628 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:21am

re: #624 cliffster

TGIF, mofos

New avatar?

629 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:35am

re: #626 _RememberTonyC

ok, so he's good on missiles ... do those patriots stop terrorists too?

Hey, we got the Jutice Department for that.

630 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:41am

re: #622 MandyManners

Bet you've been to a few fairs and a couple of goat-ropings.


I usually start off with dinner and flowers!!

(ooopsss ,,, did I say that out loud AGAIN!?!?!)

631 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:46am

re: #626 _RememberTonyC

ok, so he's good on missiles ... do those patriots stop terrorists too?

Only if they're strapped to the missiles.

632 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:51am

re: #628 MandyManners

New avatar?

yeah, I thought yall might want to know what I look like

633 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:02:57am

re: #621 Rightwingconspirator

One of the most condescending articles I have read in a long time.

I'm sorry, I have a hard time reading such drivel. Deadly dull, dry and long winded rants just don't interest me./

634 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:03:36am

re: #626 _RememberTonyC

ok, so he's good on missiles ... do those patriots stop terrorists too?

HA!

635 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:04:04am

re: #627 sattv4u2

BTW ,,,
Rep. Kennedy to bow out, spelling end to family era
Will not seek a 9th term in R.I

[Link: www.boston.com...]


This will be the 1st time in 60 YEARS there won't be a Kennedy in office in Washington

Let me repeat that

This will be the 1st time in 60 YEARS there won't be a Kennedy in office in Washington

Can the Republic survive?!

636 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:04:11am

re: #629 filetandrelease

Hey, we got the Jutice Department for that.


blood ... pressure .... rising ...

637 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:04:38am

re: #636 _RememberTonyC
Sorry, lol

638 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:05:22am

re: #636 _RememberTonyC

blood ... pressure ... rising ...

Caaalllmmm, think caaalllmmm done to the chant "ooohhhmmm"

639 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:05:37am

re: #634 MandyManners

HA!

Wile E resembles dinnerjackass .... at least physically ...

640 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:05:43am

re: #608 filetandrelease

Yes, and apparently having a better time.

That opinion may be in the eye of the beholder.

641 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:06:33am

re: #640 Naso Tang
Yes, and that is a good place to leave it.

642 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:08:07am

I'm going to see Avatar with my wife this evening. Celebrating v-day early, kids at the in-laws. How's the 3D?

643 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:08:14am

is everyone else comfortable that one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors is the odious antisemitic moron zbigniew brzezenski, who helped carter f' up the mideast?

this has bugged me since day one ...

644 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:10:13am

re: #642 cliffster

I'm going to see Avatar with my wife this evening. Celebrating v-day early, kids at the in-laws. How's the 3D?

I really enjoyed it. Very subtle, the movie just places you in the scene instead of trying to jump out at you.

645 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:10:28am

re: #643 _RememberTonyC

is everyone else comfortable that one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors is the odious antisemitic moron zbigniew brzezenski, who helped carter f' up the mideast?

this has bugged me since day one ...

I haven't notice any substantial changes in our policy towards Israel so I'm not really that worried about it.

646 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:12:07am

re: #643 _RememberTonyC

is everyone else comfortable that one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors is the odious antisemitic moron zbigniew brzezenski, who helped carter f' up the mideast?

this has bugged me since day one ...

wanna know whats bugged me since BEFORE day one? During the campaign
When Obama was telling us about the people he now surrounds himself with, he made a comment that amazed me
He stated (and I'm paraphrasing as I don't have the transcript in front of me)
"When I want to FIGURE OUT MY FOREIGN POLICY, I ASK ,,,,,,,,,"
HOLD THE WEDDIN,,,,, you don't KNOW what your policy is until you ask someone? McCain didn't have to be TOLD what his policy is. He may, as any intelligent person would, seek advice to include or exclude options. But your basic policy, your BELEIF, should not have to be TOLD to you
God Save Us

647 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:13:14am

re: #643 _RememberTonyC

Did it bug you as much when Bush I and Reagan had him as a foreign policy advisor?

648 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:13:19am

re: #646 sattv4u2

The people have spoken, and a guy who is completely green behind the ears didn't seem to be a problem for them

649 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:13:26am

re: #645 Killgore Trout

I haven't notice any substantial changes in our policy towards Israel so I'm not really that worried about it.

Not everyone thinks that way.

650 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:15:19am

re: #639 _RememberTonyC

Wile E resembles dinnerjackass ... at least physically ...

You're so mean!

651 Ericus58  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:15:44am

re: #556 SasyMomaCat

Free Market in action...

652 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:15:47am

re: #647 Obdicut

Did it bug you as much when Bush I and Reagan had him as a foreign policy advisor?

he's an equal opportunity piece of shit ... i have disliked him for years .... so Yes.

653 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:16:14am

re: #646 sattv4u2

wanna know whats bugged me since BEFORE day one? During the campaign
When Obama was telling us about the people he now surrounds himself with, he made a comment that amazed me
He stated (and I'm paraphrasing as I don't have the transcript in front of me)
"When I want to FIGURE OUT MY FOREIGN POLICY, I ASK ,,,"
HOLD THE WEDDIN,,, you don't KNOW what your policy is until you ask someone? McCain didn't have to be TOLD what his policy is. He may, as any intelligent person would, seek advice to include or exclude options. But your basic policy, your BELEIF, should not have to be TOLD to you
God Save Us

I'm sorry to say we don't have a President, we have a puppet.... He could have been so great but noooo, he had to become a puppet President. Par for the course in Washington... I wondered if he was too overly optimistic and naive about getting things done if he got into office. Now we know just how naive he really was and now we're all paying for it...

654 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:18:06am

re: #643 _RememberTonyC

is everyone else comfortable that one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors is the odious antisemitic moron zbigniew brzezenski, who helped carter f' up the mideast?

this has bugged me since day one ...

I wonder if his daughter hangs out with The Tingler.

655 Slap  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:19:25am

Morning, Lizards.

On this lovely open thread, allow me to share this little announcement of stringy delight:

Clapton Announces 2010 Crossroads Lineup

If you're a guitar freak, this must be good news. Gilberto and Jansch exposed to a large American guitar audience = MAJOR event. And having the Allmans in place as well just fills the picture nicely. No surprise -- during the Allmans' most recent Beacon Theater run, Clapton was their guest one evening. A friend played a bootleg for me of the Clapton set (historic -- until last year, Clapton and the Allman band had NEVER played together), and it was amazing. Should be a real guitargasm, all 'round.....

656 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:19:36am

re: #642 cliffster

I'm going to see Avatar with my wife this evening. Celebrating v-day early, kids at the in-laws. How's the 3D?

Since the last 3D I saw was at Disney years ago; this was great, and not full of special seat jumping effects either. Very natural.

657 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:19:39am

re: #654 MandyManners

I wonder if his daughter hangs out with The Tingler.

ugh ... mika nauseates me too .... i remember her when she was on channel 3 in hartford. once a bimbo, always a bimbo.

658 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:19:48am

re: #652 _RememberTonyC

Can you explain why you say that he's one of Obama's closest advisors?

It doesn't seem like he has any position in the government whatsoever now, unlike under Carter, Reagan and Bush I.

In this story, he's making a statement for the press about what Obama should do, and it doesn't make it seem like he has direct contact.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

The story also says he was never an advisor on the campaign.

659 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:20:08am

re: #647 Obdicut

Did it bug you as much when Bush I and Reagan had him as a foreign policy advisor?

yes

any more questions?

660 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:20:46am

re: #649 filetandrelease

Not everyone thinks that way.

Yeah, The op-ed pages of the WSJ has become a venue for conspiracy theories and anti-Oabama propaganda since Murdoch bought it last year. Just as bad as Fox. It's a shame too, it used to be a decent paper.

661 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:21:47am

re: #647 Obdicut

Did it bug you as much when Bush I and Reagan had him as a foreign policy advisor?

What? Are you kidding? Link?

662 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:22:00am

re: #615 _RememberTonyC

hey lizards ... heading out for the weekend to see the kid at school ...

iran is on the brink of something major ... one way or the other. last time this happened, we had the midwife of islamofascism (carter) in office. and carter's legacy has been a 30+ year disaster. i just hope that my fears about Obama don't come true and he steps up to do something succesful with iran. because what I am seeing vis-a-vis Obama and iran is not hopeful.

Yes. Carter all over again. :((

663 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:22:14am

re: #655 Slap

That lineup kicks ass! But, uh, Sheryl Crow?

664 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:22:31am

re: #660 Killgore Trout

Yeah, The op-ed pages of the WSJ has become a venue for conspiracy theories and anti-Oabama propaganda since Murdoch bought it last year. Just as bad as Fox. It's a shame too, it used to be a decent paper.

Round up those messengers and shoot em!

665 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:23:23am

re: #658 Obdicut

Can you explain why you say that he's one of Obama's closest advisors?

It doesn't seem like he has any position in the government whatsoever now, unlike under Carter, Reagan and Bush I.

In this story, he's making a statement for the press about what Obama should do, and it doesn't make it seem like he has direct contact.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

The story also says he was never an advisor on the campaign.

Again, show the proof that he was an advisor to Pres. Reagan and Pres. G.H.W. Bush, let alone on their payroll.

666 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:23:55am

The president's reality problem nypost.com

It might have been the most revelatory moment of the Obama presidency. In an interview with Time magazine, a chastened President Obama talked of his sputtering Middle East peace initiative.

"This is just really hard," he explained. "This is as intractable a problem as you get."

As an observation, this is as banal as it gets. After all the wars and all the terror attacks against Israel and all the frustrated American diplomatic forays across the last two administrations, no one should be surprised at the intractability of the Israeli-Arab conflict.
But Obama sounded as if it were painful new information that had forced an unwelcome adjustment in his worldview.

This speaks either to an astonishing historical ignorance (did he not know?) or a stupendous self-regard (did he not care because he thought he was so special?), or both.

[Link: [Link: www.nypost.com...]...]

667 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:23:58am

re: #661 MandyManners

The always excellent sourcewatch

I'm finding nothing saying that he was ever an official advisor for Obama, and absolutely nothing saying that he is now.

I'm seeing statements from Obama's administration that he was never an advisor, though they talked twice.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

1985 - Ronald Reagan's Chemical Warfare Commission , member
1987-88 - NSC-Defense Department Commission on Integrated Long-Term Strategy, member
1988 - George H. W. Bush National Security Advisory Task Force, member
1987-89 - President Reagan's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, member

668 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:24:07am

re: #658 Obdicut

Can you explain why you say that he's one of Obama's closest advisors?

It doesn't seem like he has any position in the government whatsoever now, unlike under Carter, Reagan and Bush I.

In this story, he's making a statement for the press about what Obama should do, and it doesn't make it seem like he has direct contact.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

The story also says he was never an advisor on the campaign.


i have read numerous stories over the YEARS about brzezenski's ties to Obama. And I have doubts about your previous comment about zbig being a close advisor to Reagan. I have never heard that. Bush I is possible, but i disliked his work in the ME. His son W had to clean up his mess with saddam. Do some homework and you'll learn many things on your own.

669 Donna Ballard  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:24:36am

BBL, the furry dictator wants to go outside. Have fun and keep laughing Lizards! :-)

670 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:24:36am

re: #664 sattv4u2

Round up those messengers and shoot em!

Those ain't messengers; they're flacks.

671 Slap  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:25:17am

re: #663 cliffster

Point taken. But her music is deeply infused with a love of guitars, I suppose, so it's a fit. (Probably helps to keep the girlfriends of guitar geeks happy while they drool over flying fingers....?)

672 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:25:18am

re: #668 _RememberTonyC

I do do my homework. I find Sourcewatch the most useful resource. Please see above.

Again, do you have any actual source for the claims about his ties to Obama? All I'm finding is that he endorsed Obama and they talked a few times during the campaign, never that he was, or is, an actual advisor.

673 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:25:39am

re: #667 Obdicut

He was a member of those commissions/boards. He was NOT their national security advisor. Big difference.

674 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:25:49am

re: #661 MandyManners

What? Are you kidding? Link?

it's BS ... there is no legit link

675 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:25:54am

re: #666 Blueheron

Reminds me of GWB saying "this is really hard work", regarding the presidency.

676 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:26:15am

re: #670 Cato the Elder

Those ain't messengers; they're flacks.

Oh ,, well then ,, as long as they're fair game

READY,,, AIM ,,,,,,

677 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:26:35am

re: #643 _RememberTonyC

is everyone else comfortable that one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors is the odious antisemitic moron zbigniew brzezenski, who helped carter f' up the mideast?

this has bugged me since day one ...

Yeah but Mika wuvs him.....the egotistical ba****d.

678 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:26:39am

re: #673 MandyManners

Gen James L. Jones is Obama's national security advisor.

679 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:26:57am

re: #670 Cato the Elder

Those ain't messengers; they're flacks.

Hey, good to see you again. How are you doing?

680 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:27:03am

re: #674 _RememberTonyC

So you're saying sourcewatch is wrong?

681 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:27:31am

Gaaah. Slooow.

682 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:27:46am

re: #671 Slap

Point taken. But her music is deeply infused with a love of guitars, I suppose, so it's a fit. (Probably helps to keep the girlfriends of guitar geeks happy while they drool over flying fingers...?)

Well, the lineup is otherwise filled with things that are much nicer to listen to than to look at. I went to see Sheryl Crow in concert a year or so ago. Good show. Not in the same league though

683 Locker  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:27:53am

Man that harpy shriek is loud! Oh well I'm on day two of a five day weekend. I've got my doggy on my lap, a fat bowl and thou... thou translating into Premier League Soccer, LGF and some funky house goodness.

Ahhhh.....live is good.....

684 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:27:55am

re: #678 Obdicut

Gen James L. Jones is Obama's national security advisor.

So?

685 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:28:02am

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

That's gonna rattle some cages...

Kewl. I have to have one!

686 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:28:54am

Being on a board or commission is not the same as being an advisor.

687 Locker  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:29:14am

re: #673 MandyManners

He was a member of those commissions/boards. He was NOT their national security advisor. Big difference.

That is NOT what you said:

Again, show the proof that he was an advisor to Pres. Reagan and Pres. G.H.W. Bush, let alone on their payroll.

Big difference. Kind of hard admitting he was right... isn't it?

688 Locker  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:29:39am

re: #686 MandyManners

Being on a board or commission is not the same as being an advisor.

You are ridiculous. Seriously.

689 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:29:58am

re: #666 Blueheron

This speaks either to an astonishing historical ignorance (did he not know?) or a stupendous self-regard (did he not care because he thought he was so special?), or both.

Both.

690 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:29:58am

re: #684 MandyManners

So, as far as I can see, Brzezenski had actual roles in Reagan and Bush I's administration, advising on national security.

He has, as far as I can find, no role in Obama's administration related to national security.

re: #686 MandyManners

So being on President Reagan's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board does not mean that you're giving President Reagan Foreign Intelligence advice?

691 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:29:58am

re: #592 Alouette

Introducing the Zionist Keffiyeh

So cool! I have to find a supplier so that I can sell this at the Zionist Mall.

If you do let me know. I have to have one of those!

692 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:30:21am

re: #679 Killgore Trout

Hey, good to see you again. How are you doing?

Well enough. I got a reprieve from the internet company before they shut down my service. Trying to fit twice the mockery in half the words, to make it last...

693 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:30:29am

anybody here cooked using sous vide?

694 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:30:37am

The future of warfare: Cat Versus Robot

Liveleak Video
695 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:30:56am

re: #692 Cato the Elder

Sounds like you're into that whole brevity thing.

696 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:32:02am

re: #693 cliffster

anybody here cooked using sous vide?

No but I did come across an article about DIY Sous vide systems that looked interesting and affordable. I'll see if I can dig it up if you're interested. What's your question?

697 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:32:02am

re: #694 Killgore Trout

funny as shit.

698 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:32:33am

re: #690 Obdicut

So, as far as I can see, Brzezenski had actual roles in Reagan and Bush I's administration, advising on national security.

He has, as far as I can find, no role in Obama's administration related to national security.

re: #686 MandyManners

So being on President Reagan's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board does not mean that you're giving President Reagan Foreign Intelligence advice?

I am comparing his roles with Carter vs. those with Reagan and Bush. He was Carter's National Security Adviser. For Reagan and Bush, he was a member of a few groups, one member of many. Reagan and Bush had their own national security advisers.

699 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:33:04am

re: #672 Obdicut

I do do my homework. I find Sourcewatch the most useful resource. Please see above.

Again, do you have any actual source for the claims about his ties to Obama? All I'm finding is that he endorsed Obama and they talked a few times during the campaign, never that he was, or is, an actual advisor.


yes ... you did do some homework. brzezinski's dangerous views are no doubt shared by many of Obama's advisors. So when zbig makes his reckless statements, i feel certain they are getting a good deal of attention. that does make him an advisor on some level. but I really hope YOU are right and brzezenski has nobody's ear in the West Wing.

700 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:33:08am

re: #675 Naso Tang

Reminds me of GWB saying "this is really hard work", regarding the presidency.

Bush worked at being President.
Obama just dazzles us with his eloquenceteleprompter speechifying. bs.

701 Locker  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:33:09am

Just sent this one to Charles, it's a good one:

[Link: rawstory.com...]

Frozen water fell from the sky today, therefore thousands of scientists the world over are liars. Just go with it.

That's the narrative coming from Fox News in their coverage of the heavy snow blanketing the eastern coast of the United States this winter. Thankfully, there's Bill Nye the Science Guy, ready to explain the complexities of climate science in terms easy enough for even a child to digest.

702 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:34:04am

re: #696 Killgore Trout

No but I did come across an article about DIY Sous vide systems that looked interesting and affordable. I'll see if I can dig it up if you're interested. What's your question?

Sure, that'd be cool. I guess my question is, how is it? Results all they make out? And is it a pain? My buddy is talking about getting a, er, thermal bath, is that what it's called? Supposedly steak is supposed to be, literally, like butter.

703 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:35:01am

re: #698 MandyManners

Okay. What I'm addressing is Tony_C's claim that he's one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors. In addition, you asked for proof that he worked for Reagan, which I provided to you.

I can find no evidence that he is or was a foreign policy advisor for Obama, but I can find evidence that he was for Reagan and Bush I.

704 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:35:07am

Yes, the bloom is off the rose for Peggy Noonan.

There is, I think, an amazing political fact right now that is hiding in plain sight and is rich with implications. It was there in President Obama's Jan. 25, pre-State of the Union interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, who was pressing him about his political predicaments. "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president," he said. "And I—and I believe that."

Now this is the sort of thing presidents say, and often believe they believe, but at the end of the day they all want two terms. Except that Mr. Obama shows every sign of meaning it, and if he does, it explains a lot about his recent decisions and actions.

A week after the Sawyer interview, the president had a stunning and revealing exchange with Sen. Blanche Lincoln, the Arkansas Democrat likely to lose her 2010 re-election campaign. He was meeting with Senate Democrats to urge them to continue with his legislative agenda. Mrs. Lincoln took the opportunity to beseech him to change it. She urged him to distance his administration from "people who want extremes," and to find "common ground" with Republicans in producing legislation that would give those in business the "certainty" they need to create jobs.

While answering, Mr. Obama raised his voice slightly and quickened his cadence. "If the price of certainty is essentially for us to adopt the exact same proposals that were in place leading up to the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression . . . the result is going to be the same. I don't know why we would expect a different outcome pursuing the exact same policy that got us in this fix in the first place." He continued: "If our response ends up being, you know . . . we don't want to stir things up here," then "I don't know why people would say, 'Boy, we really want to make sure those Democrats are in Washington fighting for us.'"

SNIP

705 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:35:14am

re: #596 MandyManners

I don't know if I could bring myself to wear one.

Oh I could. Would really go over well at the next anti the GREAT SATAN / LITTLE SATAN demonstration. :))

706 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:35:20am

re: #691 Blueheron

If you do let me know. I have to have one of those!

This is amusing, but the problem I see is that from 20 feet away, or less to the unobservant, you will look just like any left wing westerner supporting Hamas.

Truth is, just using a middle finger is cheaper and more selectively targeted.

707 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:35:23am

Brzezinski was, is, and continues to be a wannabe Kissinger. He never had the heft or achievements of Kissinger. Brzezinski was on several national security related advisory boards for Reagan and Bush 41, but that's not nearly the same as being the NSA as he was in Carter's administration.

708 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:36:17am

re: #700 Blueheron

Bush worked at being President.
Obama just dazzles us with his eloquenceteleprompter speechifying. bs.

Careful with the teleprompter quips. Tell me one president who never did.

709 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:36:32am

re: #703 Obdicut

Okay. What I'm addressing is Tony_C's claim that he's one of Obama's closest foreign policy advisors. In addition, you asked for proof that he worked for Reagan, which I provided to you.

I can find no evidence that he is or was a foreign policy advisor for Obama, but I can find evidence that he was for Reagan and Bush I.

We got our wires crossed. I am not addressing the BHO thing. He was Carter's NSA but, just one voice among many for Reagan and Bush.

710 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:36:37am

re: #701 Locker

Just sent this one to Charles, it's a good one:

[Link: rawstory.com...]

Cool. I met Bill Nye the Science Guy once at a bicycle event in Seattle. I said, "Hey, look, it's Bill Nye the Science Guy!" (This was when he was still on Almost Live in Seattle.) He said gruffly, "I am also a cyclist!"

711 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:36:55am

re: #708 Naso Tang

Careful with the teleprompter quips. Tell me one president who never did.

Jefferson

712 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:37:01am

re: #701 Locker

Oh the irony.

713 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:37:08am

re: #699 _RememberTonyC

Would you agree that, given that Reagan and Bush I gave Brzezinski's 'dangerous views' an actual place in their adminstration, and Obama hasn't, Obama is giving less influence to Brzezinksi?

Furthermore, you accused me of not doing my own homework, said that my claim was bullshit, etc. I'm happy to provide evidence for my claims, as I did, but it's a little irksome to have you calling 'bullshit' when you haven't substantiated your claim in the least, and I have.

714 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:38:08am

re: #695 Obdicut

Sounds like you're into that whole brevity thing.

Amplius loquitur qui breviter dicit.

715 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:38:12am

re: #713 Obdicut

Would you agree that, given that Reagan and Bush I gave Brzezinski's 'dangerous views' an actual place in their adminstration, and Obama hasn't, Obama is giving less influence to Brzezinksi?

Furthermore, you accused me of not doing my own homework, said that my claim was bullshit, etc. I'm happy to provide evidence for my claims, as I did, but it's a little irksome to have you calling 'bullshit' when you haven't substantiated your claim in the least, and I have.

But, they DIDN'T. He was one voice among many on a few boards.

716 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:38:39am

re: #702 cliffster

It does sound like a pain in the ass to me. Also the setups can be very expensive. Here's the DIY article.....
Cooking Sous Vide the DIY Way

I'd recommend trying the DIY approach first. It's much cheaper. Spending $500 bucks for a gadget that you might never use again seems kinda siloly. If you make your own at least you can experiment first before taking the big plunge. I think it's a fad that will probably go away soon. If you give it a try let me know what you think. I might play around with it myself.

717 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:38:49am

re: #701 Locker

Nye also managed to set back matters when he made it a question of patriotism to believe in global warming. Why do that? It's a matter of science, but when you make those kinds of statements, you simply make people discount everything you say - not just the politicization of global warming.

718 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:38:58am

re: #709 MandyManners

Sure. But he's not a voice at all for Obama, whereas he was for Bush I and Reagan.

In addition, you did say:

Being on a board or commission is not the same as being an advisor.

And I really have to disagree with you: if someone was on Reagan's Foreign Policy Advisory Board, I think it's perfectly fair and honest to say they were a foreign policy advisor for Reagan. Do you disagree?

719 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:39:03am

re: #711 cliffster

Jefferson

Priceless.

720 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:39:17am

In other nwews, Rush Limbaugh's voice use to kill beetles.

Heavy-Metal Music, Other Sounds Aimed at Beetle Pests

Beetles don't like heavy metal or Rush Limbaugh, suggests new research, but the sounds that really drive them mad are manipulated versions of their own noises.

Beetles are destroying ponderosa, pinyon, lodgepole pines and other trees important to the ecosystem. The beetles have their place in the ecosystem too, of course, but climate change and human activities have allowed beetles to take over more than they should.

To combat such infestations, scientists thought up the "nastiest, most offensive sounds" they could. Those included recordings of Guns & Roses, Queen, Rush Limbaugh and manipulated versions of the insects' own sounds.

721 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:39:20am

siloly=silly
/I stink

722 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:39:33am

re: #700 Blueheron

Bush worked at being President.
Obama just dazzles us with his eloquenceteleprompter speechifying. bs.

Bush has to work at tying his shoelaces.

723 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:40:46am

re: #701 Locker

Thankfully, there's Bill Nye the Science Guy, ready to explain the complexities of climate science in terms easy enough for even a child to digest.

But maybe not Ed Morrissey....

724 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:41:05am

re: #713 Obdicut

Would you agree that, given that Reagan and Bush I gave Brzezinski's 'dangerous views' an actual place in their adminstration, and Obama hasn't, Obama is giving less influence to Brzezinksi?

Furthermore, you accused me of not doing my own homework, said that my claim was bullshit, etc. I'm happy to provide evidence for my claims, as I did, but it's a little irksome to have you calling 'bullshit' when you haven't substantiated your claim in the least, and I have.


grow the fuck up. i acknowledged you did your homework in my response. i believe brzezinski's views get a very prominent hearing in the Obama White House. If zbig had a voice in ANY administration, it was a mistake. You are debating yourself at this point.

725 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:41:22am

re: #717 lawhawk

Nye also managed to set back matters when he made it a question of patriotism to believe in global warming. Why do that? It's a matter of science, but when you make those kinds of statements, you simply make people discount everything you say - not just the politicization of global warming.


Well said, and look at where it as got them. People are fed up with the BS.

726 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:41:27am

hey lizards...

727 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:41:34am

re: #720 badger1970

Beetles don't like heavy metal or Rush Limbaugh

And people say that insects aren't intelligent...

728 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:41:41am

re: #718 Obdicut

Sure. But he's not a voice at all for Obama, whereas he was for Bush I and Reagan.

In addition, you did say:

And I really have to disagree with you: if someone was on Reagan's Foreign Policy Advisory Board, I think it's perfectly fair and honest to say they were a foreign policy advisor for Reagan. Do you disagree?

Again, I'm not talking about BHO.

I am comparing his role as NSA for Carter with his presence on a few boards for Reagan and GHW Bush.

729 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:42:22am

re: #718 Obdicut

Mabye Lawhawk's No. 709 will help clarify my position.

730 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:42:56am

re: #729 MandyManners

Mabye Lawhawk's No. 709 will help clarify my position.

707

731 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:42:59am

re: #557 NJDhockeyfan

Iranian Atomic Energy Organization Head Ali-Akbar Salehi: Attacking Iran's Nuclear Facilities Will Spell the End of Israel

And you think Israel needs a time out?

732 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:43:13am

re: #724 _RememberTonyC

i believe brzezinski's views get a very prominent hearing in the Obama White House.

You mean the way Brent Scowcroft got listened to in Dubya's administration?

Not.

733 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:43:30am

re: #724 _RememberTonyC

Okay. So you made a false claim, didn't back it up, called bullshit on me when I said what was accurate, and you're still making the claim that his views get a hearing in the White House despite absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

734 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:44:00am

i'm off for the weekend to see my kid at college ... have a good one everyone!

735 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:45:21am

re: #716 Killgore Trout

Thanks man. Very informative article - even gives you safety warnings like this:

You can even try sucking the air out of a zip-top bag with a straw, which is free, but weakest of all, and carries with it the possibility of slurping up the juices of uncooked meats.

I have some of that stuff laying around already so I might give it a shot. Or my buddy might get one and make it easy on me. I'll let you know how it comes out.

736 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:45:39am

re: #707 lawhawk

As far as I can tell, while the Obama Administration may have called on him at some point for some manner of advice during the campaign, he is not part of the Administration in any way, shape or form. That's a good thing.

737 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:45:40am

Man, I get knocked off the internet for a few days, and I find out that Rep. Murtha died a few days ago (RIP Murtha, hope you get the honors you deserved from your service), the Tea Party movement gets more crazy/crazies (however one looks at it), and Clinton gets released from the hospital after a procedure. Obviously, I don't watch the news anymore, so these events surprised me a bit (except for the Tea Party, which just has me shaking my head). Man, I missed LGF.

738 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:46:05am

re: #728 MandyManners

Okay. As you asked for, I provided evidence that he was in the Reagan and Bush I administrations-- he was also on Bush I's presidential campaign. In addition, I still think that saying he wasn't a foreign policy advisor because he was just part of a board is wrong, since he was on a foreign policy advice board.

But my main point was that he has much closer ties to Bush I and Reagan than he does to Obama, so it's odd to see people making the claim he's a close Obama advisor.

739 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:47:01am

re: #722 Cato the Elder

Bush has to work at tying his shoelaces.

I'm sorry if that offended you, Mandy.

What I meant to say, of course, is that Bush has to work at not getting in the way of the guy who ties his shoelaces for him.

741 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:48:03am

re: #738 Obdicut

Probably because Obama did have him as an adviser during the campaign.

742 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:49:13am

re: #576 MrSilverDragon

But there could be a flaw with that plan, what if the turtles happen to be of an alternative lifestyle?

Now it's gay turtles??? lol

743 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:49:22am

Bush: The Special Olympics President

744 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:49:26am

re: #741 lawhawk

That article doesn't actually offer any proof of that allegation, you know. It simply states it.

Is there any reason you believe this to be accurate?

745 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:49:41am

re: #738 Obdicut

Okay. As you asked for, I provided evidence that he was in the Reagan and Bush I administrations-- he was also on Bush I's presidential campaign. In addition, I still think that saying he wasn't a foreign policy advisor because he was just part of a board is wrong, since he was on a foreign policy advice board.

But my main point was that he has much closer ties to Bush I and Reagan than he does to Obama, so it's odd to see people making the claim he's a close Obama advisor.

I didn't make that claim.

As far as there being a vast difference between being Carter's NSA and a voice among many on a few boards for Reagan and GHW Bush, I cannot explain my position any clearer.

746 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:50:29am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

Bush: The Special Olympics President

Yeah, like BHO who put down the SO athletes on Leno?

747 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:50:30am

re: #739 Cato the Elder

I'm sorry if that offended you, Mandy.

What I meant to say, of course, is that Bush has to work at not getting in the way of the guy who ties his shoelaces for him.

I'm inclined to think Bush's issues had less to do with a lack of intelligence as they did with a lack of the following:
humility
introspection
curiousity

748 webevintage  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:50:57am

re: #704 MandyManners

Yes, the bloom is off the rose for Peggy Noonan.


God, how I hate Peggy "Concerned Face" Noonan.

749 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:50:58am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

Bush: The Special Olympics President

Obama; The Special Olympics Bowler!

Youtube Video
750 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:51:20am

re: #747 PT Barnum

I'm inclined to think Bush's issues had less to do with a lack of intelligence as they did with a lack of the following:
humility
introspection
curiousity

Three of the main components of intelligence.

751 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:51:25am

re: #745 MandyManners

I'm not asking you to explain that position at all, Mandy, since it's perfectly reasonable. What I was taking issue with was your statement:

Being on a board or commission is not the same as being an advisor.


If what you meant was "not the same as being the National Security Advisor", then yeah. But he was definitely an advisor on foreign policy and national security for both Bush I and Reagan.

752 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:51:48am

re: #741 lawhawk

A very early adviser it seems.

753 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:52:07am

re: #741 lawhawk

Probably because Obama did have him as an adviser during the campaign.

He defended Mearsheimer and Walt?!

That aside, did Samantha Power?

755 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:52:27am

re: #746 MandyManners

Yeah, like BHO who put down the SO athletes on Leno?

Except he was commenting on his own inability to bowl. I think he could have phrased it much better, but I don't think he intended to insult anyone. (Disclaimer, my son plays basketball in the Iowa Special Olympics, or whatever they call them.)

756 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:52:40am

re: #748 webevintage

God, how I hate Peggy "Concerned Face" Noonan.

I limit my hatred for things I can change.

757 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:53:22am

re: #748 webevintage

God, how I hate Peggy "Concerned Face" Noonan.

She always looks like she's smelling something bad...

I actually just hate her supercillious manner.

758 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:53:29am

re: #751 Obdicut

I'm not asking you to explain that position at all, Mandy, since it's perfectly reasonable. What I was taking issue with was your statement:

If what you meant was "not the same as being the National Security Advisor", then yeah. But he was definitely an advisor on foreign policy and national security for both Bush I and Reagan.

But, for Carter, he was THE advisor in his role as NSA.

759 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:53:44am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

Respectfully, that was a pretty horrible thing to say.

760 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:53:44am

re: #744 Obdicut

Here, which includes the following passage:

A spokesman for the Obama campaign, Bill Burton, declined to make Brzezinski available, and responded to questions about the Brzezinski article with an e-mailed statement from a Florida congressman, Robert Wexler, who has campaigned for Obama in the Jewish community.

The Observer (a left leaning NY outlet), has him as an adviser as well.

NY Sun:

Mr. Brzezinski's visit to Syria, a country President Bush has accused of arming terrorists and ordering political assassinations in Lebanon, is in many ways in keeping with a theme of the Obama campaign. The Illinois senator in August said during a Democratic debate that he would be willing to meet with foreign adversaries, earning a rebuke from Senator Clinton, a Democrat of New York, who said such an approach would be "naïve."

On August 24, Mr. Brzezinski, a one-time national security adviser to President Carter, announced in an interview on Bloomberg's satellite news channel that he was endorsing Mr. Obama, and he has been an adviser to the campaign since.

A spokesman for the senator's presidential campaign, Tommy Vietor, said the campaign did not know Mr. Brzezinski was leading the delegation. "The first we heard of this trip was from you," he said. He added: "Brzezinski is not a day-to-day adviser for the campaign, he is someone whose guidance Senator Obama seeks on Iraq."

So yes, there's plenty of reason to believe he was an adviser to Obama. Whether he still has ties is an open question, but he certainly isn't an official part of the Administration.

761 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:53:53am

re: #754 Killgore Trout

Cool, but I still prefer this method:

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762 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:54:06am

re: #748 webevintage

God, how I hate Peggy "Concerned Face" Noonan.

Does she do the old "liberal head tilt", only the other way? I was just thinking about that old trope last night. Randi Rhodes was/is the avatar of the LHT. Do wingnuts just tilt their head in the opposite direction?

Peggy Noonan was, lest we forget, the flack who once wrote a whole column about how she wanted to fondle Saint Ronnie's foot.

763 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:54:21am

re: #755 PT Barnum

I know what he said.

764 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:54:24am

re: #755 PT Barnum

Except he was commenting on his own inability to bowl. I think he could have phrased it much better, but I don't think he intended to insult anyone. (Disclaimer, my son plays basketball in the Iowa Special Olympics, or whatever they call them.)

He's the president, dude. Nobody wants their president caught in low-class moments like that.

765 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:54:32am

re: #750 Cato the Elder

Three of the main components of intelligence.

I would go with curiousity, but I know some very bright people who are incredibly arrogant.

To me, humility only comes with experience, as does introspection.

766 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:54:38am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

Bush: The Special Olympics President

Obama, the real Special Olympics President

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama has apologized to the chairman of the Special Olympics for his late-night talk show quip equating his bowling skills to those of athletes with disabilities.

Appearing on "The Tonight Show" Thursday, the president told host Jay Leno he'd been practicing at the White House's bowling alley but wasn't happy with his score of 129. Then he remarked: "It was like the Special Olympics or something."

767 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:55:11am

re: #750 Cato the Elder

Three of the main components of intelligence.

Not really. You can be intelligent without having any of those three. Of course, your sense of realism may be horribly out of whack, but you can still be remarkably intelligent without being humble, curious, or introspective.

768 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:55:28am

re: #632 cliffster

yeah, I thought yall might want to know what I look like

HOT! lol

769 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:56:06am

re: #760 lawhawk

Plenty of reason, despite the fact that Obama's campaign said that he was never an advisor?

770 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:56:22am

re: #764 cliffster

Tiger Woods had to apologize to someone when using the word "spaz". Vocabulary is not one of the modern highly valued skills.

771 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:56:28am

re: #755 PT Barnum

Except he was commenting on his own inability to bowl. I think he could have phrased it much better, but I don't think he intended to insult anyone. (Disclaimer, my son plays basketball in the Iowa Special Olympics, or whatever they call them.)

You OWN son play basketball in s special olympics related function and you don't know what the event is called?

Interesting. Do you remember your sons name?

772 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:56:31am

I'm back from the Sim universe! :)

773 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:56:59am

re: #766 filetandrelease

I'm 99% percent sure that Obama at least tied the laces on his own bowling shoes.

774 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:57:14am

re: #764 cliffster

He's the president, dude. Nobody wants their president caught in low-class moments like that.

I dunno, knowing how often I stick my foot in my mouth, I think expecting anyone to speak perfectly every time is unrealistic. However, to the extent that it's an exception rather than the rule that someone says something out of line, I thin k we need to give them some leeway.

775 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:57:45am

Off to buy some oranges for my sauce to go over my sliced pork loin.

776 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:57:54am

re: #758 MandyManners

Yes, Mandy. I'm not sure why you think I'm not acknowledging that. I've made myself as clear as I can be. You asked for evidence he was in the Bush I and Reagan administrations, and I provided it. I also think that it's fair to call him a foreign policy and national security advisor for Reagan and Bush. Not "The National Security Advisor", but "an"-- especially since he co-chaired Bush's national security committee during his election campaign.

It seems pretty clear to me that he has had more ties to Reagan and Bush I than to Obama. That is my point.

777 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:57:54am

re: #772 Mosh

I'm back from the Sim universe! :)

How can you be sure? Have you looked up to see if the diamond is floating overhead?

778 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:57:54am

re: #772 Mosh

Please, say that Sims have evolved more than telling your subjects when to use the john and prevent them from burning water.

779 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:57:58am

re: #759 MrSilverDragon

Respectfully, that was a pretty horrible thing to say.

Bush was a pretty horrible thing to live through.

780 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:58:31am

re: #773 Cato the Elder

Velcro.

781 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:58:35am

re: #771 Walter L. Newton

You OWN son play basketball in s special olympics related function and you don't know what the event is called?

Interesting. Do you remember your sons name?

Walter, don't be an ass.

782 webevintage  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:58:55am

re: #778 badger1970

Please, say that Sims have evolved more than telling your subjects when to use the john and prevent them from burning water.

I love when they catch in fire....

783 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:01am

Thinking I might pick up Bioshock 2 tonight.

784 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:13am

re: #781 PT Barnum

Walter, don't be an ass.

Just quoting you Professor.

785 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:27am

re: #779 Cato the Elder

Can you go more than about 10 seconds without bashing Bush in some way, shape, or form? I mean, seriously. I think we all get that you despise the guy by now.

786 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:36am

re: #783 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm debating ME2 at the moment.

787 Ericus58  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:43am

re: #750 Cato the Elder

Three of the main components of intelligence.

Get back to us when you measure up....

humility

788 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:51am

re: #779 Cato the Elder

Bush was a pretty horrible thing to live through.

I'm sorry, you OK now?

789 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 9:59:52am

re: #782 webevintage

I love when they catch in fire...

What are they catching while in the fire?

790 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:00:16am

re: #770 badger1970

Tiger Woods had to apologize to someone when using the word "spaz". Vocabulary is not one of the modern highly valued skills.

Yes, and 95% of the people who read about that learned for the first time that "spaz" is insulting to some people. If you think that saying "spaz" is in the same league as saying, "It's like Special Olympics", well I won't say because I know you don't.

791 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:00:50am

re: #783 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thinking I might pick up Bioshock 2 tonight.

Is it out already? Damn, I wish the GTA folks could work that fast.

792 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:01:33am

re: #791 Killgore Trout

Is it out already? Damn, I wish the GTA folks could work that fast.

I'm eagerly awaiting Starcraft 2 from Blizzard Entertainment. Zerg rush kekekekekekekekek.

793 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:02:05am

re: #783 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thinking I might pick up Bioshock 2 tonight.

If you liked the first one, you're going to love the second one.

re: #786 Obdicut

I'm debating ME2 at the moment.

Haven't played it yet, but a good portion of my coworkers are absolutely enthralled with it.

794 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:02:07am

re: #786 Obdicut

I'm debating ME2 at the moment.

Sort of curious about that one to. For me, it comes down to the fact that I enjoyed the first Bioshock and figure I'll stick with that one first.

795 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:02:16am

re: #785 thedopefishlives

Can you go more than about 10 seconds without bashing Bush in some way, shape, or form? I mean, seriously. I think we all get that you despise the guy by now.

I haven't bashed Bush in months. Been too busy trying to obliterate Palin with trigonometry and a tracking device. Next up: I'm going to try a Y-shaped willow wand and dowse her.

796 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:02:17am

re: #648 cliffster

The people have spoken, and a guy who is completely green behind the ears didn't seem to be a problem for them

Don't include me.

797 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:02:38am

re: #788 filetandrelease

I'm sorry, you OK now?

Much better, thank you.

798 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:03:00am

re: #794 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have i recommended this fine gaming blog to you yet?

www.rockpapershotgun.com

Excellent reviews and news.

799 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:03:20am

re: #795 Cato the Elder

I haven't bashed Bush in months. Been too busy trying to obliterate Palin with trigonometry and a tracking device. Next up: I'm going to try a Y-shaped willow wand and dowse her.

Always thinking of ways to get Sarah wet, aren't ya!!

//

800 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:03:40am

re: #791 Killgore Trout

Is it out already? Damn, I wish the GTA folks could work that fast.

Came out last week. I finished the main game in Fallout 3, just farting around now, but it keeps crashing out at various times and is just getting frustrating now.

801 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:03:42am

re: #798 Obdicut

LOL, you got to love the name.

802 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:04:41am

re: #648 cliffster

The people have spoken, and a guy who is completely green behind the ears didn't seem to be a problem for them

The phrase is "wet behind the ears".

Which can be dried.

Water (or vodka) on the brain, as with his predecessor, is incurable.

803 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:05:34am

Apologies if this has already been posted. Just dropped it in spinoffs:

Man Charged With Stockpiling Weapons Was Tea Partier, Palin Fan

The Massachusetts man charged this week with stockpiling weapons after saying he feared an imminent "Armageddon" appears to have been active in the Tea Party movement, and saw Sarah Palin, who he said is on a "righteous 'Mission from God,'" as the only figure capable of averting the destruction of society.


...

Girard's apparent apocalyptic anxiety about a coming effort by federal thugs to crack down on personal liberties surfaced frequently on his Tea Party page. His writings may shed light on the mindset that allegedly led him to assemble his arsenal.

For instance, just last week, after another Tea Partier wrote a post railing against gun registries, Girard responded by invoking a potential "murderous rampage" by "state and Federal gangsta's (sic)," trying to take his weapons.


....

In another recent post, Girard warned that Presidnen Obama is creating a "secret police force," likely made up of "inner city youths":

TPM has his tea party Patriot page at the link.

Tea Party!!!11! for great justice

804 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:05:57am

re: #649 filetandrelease

Not everyone thinks that way.

"Jewish Americans voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Obama "

And should have their heads examined.

805 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:06:06am

LOL,,, THIs is too funny

We're doing a video conference satellite feed for a company
On the screen, they have a slate that reads


if you are experiencing problems seeing this transmission, please call XXX-XXX-XXXX

WTF!!

806 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:06:33am

re: #802 Cato the Elder

The phrase is "wet behind the ears".

Which can be dried.

Water (or vodka) on the brain, as with his predecessor, is incurable.

Don't tell me about colloquial expressions

807 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:06:54am

re: #805 sattv4u2

LOL,,, THIs is too funny

We're doing a video conference satellite feed for a company
On the screen, they have a slate that reads


if you are experiencing problems seeing this transmission, please call XXX-XXX-XXX

WTF!!

1 800 blow me?

808 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:06:55am

re: #790 cliffster

I wasn't equating. I know the difference.

I have no idea what Obama was thinking when he used that remark, it was callous but I don't believe out of malice. However, it was low brow and beneath him as the president.

809 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:07:35am

re: #805 sattv4u2

LOL,,, THIs is too funny

We're doing a video conference satellite feed for a company
On the screen, they have a slate that reads


if you are experiencing problems seeing this transmission, please call XXX-XXX-XXX

WTF!!

Well, did you call?

810 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:08:02am

re: #808 badger1970

I wasn't equating. I know the difference.

I have no idea what Obama was thinking when he used that remark, it was callous but I don't believe out of malice. However, it was low brow and beneath him as the president.

Just a window.

811 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:08:03am

re: #807 filetandrelease

1 800 blow me?

It's not the telephone # thats the WTF ,.,, it's the IF YOU CAN'T SEE THIS note

812 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:08:22am

re: #653 Dragon_Lady

I'm sorry to say we don't have a President, we have a puppet... He could have been so great but nooo, he had to become a puppet President. Par for the course in Washington... I wondered if he was too overly optimistic and naive about getting things done if he got into office. Now we know just how naive he really was and now we're all paying for it...

Inexperience. Too late now. We have to put up with him for three more years.

813 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:08:34am

re: #803 iceweasel

Apologies if this has already been posted. Just dropped it in spinoffs:

Man Charged With Stockpiling Weapons Was Tea Partier, Palin Fan

TPM has his tea party Patriot page at the link.

Tea Party!!!11! for great justice

He spells like Sarah would if she didn't have people to check her shit for her.

814 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:09:42am

re: #811 sattv4u2

Low hanging fruit. Sorry.

815 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:10:18am

re: #806 cliffster

Don't tell me about colloquial expressions

Umm, Cliffster, anyone can write an entry in the Urban Dictionary. It's Wikipedia on meth. Cite me a citation from an actual book.

816 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:10:42am

re: #803 iceweasel

Apologies if this has already been posted. Just dropped it in spinoffs:

Man Charged With Stockpiling Weapons Was Tea Partier, Palin Fan

TPM has his tea party Patriot page at the link.

Tea Party!!!11! for great justice

Yeah, he seemed like a probable Tea Party fan. Eventually one of these guys is going to snap before htey get caught. We've been very luck so far.

817 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:10:52am

re: #813 Cato the Elder

He spells like Sarah would if she didn't have people to check her shit for her.

Hey, those words on her hand were spelled right.

818 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:11:02am

re: #777 MrSilverDragon

How can you be sure? Have you looked up to see if the diamond is floating overhead?

Haha! Yeah, but I got my Sim to play Marshuno with a llama!

819 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:11:32am

re: #815 Cato the Elder

Umm, Cliffster, anyone can write an entry in the Urban Dictionary. It's Wikipedia on meth. Cite me a citation from an actual book.

Whatever, Cato. It's not rocket surgery.

820 jaunte  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:12:03am

re: #813 Cato the Elder

Girard:

"we have been in a state of war and state of emergency of some time for decades uninterupted (sic), causing us unwittingly live on the very razor edge between between civil gov't and an apocolyptic (sic) destruction of our society, our liberties, and many of our lives."


This may be a side effect from watching the swirling red and blue effects in the Fox News transitions. He did look a bit glssy-eyed.

821 jaunte  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:12:23am

glssy?

822 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:12:25am

re: #813 Cato the Elder

He spells like Sarah would if she didn't have people to check her shit for her.

I believe that the ONLY ----- ONLY ------ potential presidental (sic) candidate I have seen with the sheer force of will and God-insprined (sic) rightous (sic) determination to bringdown (sic) this "War Powers" evil is Sarah Palin.

Girard praised Palin's "magical combination of charisma, a remarkable reserve of personal strength and committment (sic), and her righteous 'mission from God' drive (sic) return this country to its convservative (sic), Constitutional foundation."

Yep.

823 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:12:42am

re: #778 badger1970

You can now drive cars and woohoo (have sex) with other sims! I don't know why its so addicting!

824 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:13:52am

re: #819 cliffster

Whatever, Cato. It's not rocket surgery.

Now that's funny.

825 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:14:04am

re: #803 iceweasel

We also catch a glimpse of the racial paranoia fostered by the Tea Parties....

Needless to say, it's a secret police force of some kind, and it appears likely to be created from inner city youths.
826 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:14:05am

re: #822 iceweasel

I believe that the ONLY --- ONLY --- potential presidental (sic) candidate I have seen with the sheer force of will and God-insprined (sic) rightous (sic) determination to bringdown (sic) this "War Powers" evil is Sarah Palin.

Girard praised Palin's "magical combination of charisma, a remarkable reserve of personal strength and committment (sic), and her righteous 'mission from God' drive (sic) return this country to its convservative (sic), Constitutional foundation."

Yep.

The last thing in the world I want a poltical leader to have is a mission from God.

827 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:15:29am

re: #826 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The last thing in the world I want a poltical leader to have is a mission from God.

Unless of course, his first name is Elwood.

828 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:15:33am

re: #711 cliffster

Jefferson

You can do better than that. :=)

829 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:17:20am

For Sarah Palin (with apologies to T.S. Eliot):

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Both with a twang and a simper.

830 jaunte  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:17:21am

re: #822 iceweasel

TPM has another Tea party revelation; Dale Robertson discovers there's politics in politics:

[W]hat I am witnessing is an attempted defilement of the concept of what the Tea Party's purposes are and where we are going. The bastardization of our message I find bilious and disingenuous on its face.

Tea Party members are being eyed as just another piece of voting meat. Tea Party members are targeted for filling the rank and file of minion laden political operations, most of which are lead (sic) by failed Republican hacks.[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

831 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:17:22am

re: #816 Killgore Trout

Yeah, he seemed like a probable Tea Party fan. Eventually one of these guys is going to snap before htey get caught. We've been very luck so far.

He's all over this tea party site. Here's the link to his profile there before they scrub it:
[Link: patriotsforamerica.ning.com...]

Post on "Obama's army of inner city youths"
[Link: patriotsforamerica.ning.com...]
more:

For instance, just last week, after another Tea Partier wrote a post railing against gun registries, Girard responded by invoking a potential "murderous rampage" by "state and Federal gangsta's (sic)," trying to take his weapons.

[Link: patriotsforamerica.ning.com...]

We should grab as much of shit as possible before the TeA PaRTy PaTRiOTS clean up their act there.

833 badger1970  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:18:19am

re: #827 filetandrelease

Beat me to it.

834 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:18:45am

Abbas aide sex tape scandal shakes Palestinians


The footage of Rafiq Husseini, shot by a former Palestinian intelligence officer, has raised an uproar in conservative Palestinian society.

In the video, broadcast by Israeli TV earlier this week, Husseini is shown undressing in a bedroom and calling out to an unseen woman, heard speaking off camera, to join him. "Do I turn off the light or do you? What is the procedure?" Husseini is heard asking the woman.

835 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:20:02am

re: #831 iceweasel

I'm looking forward to the Tea Party conspiracy theories that he's a leftist plant sent to discredit the movement.

836 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:20:04am

re: #834 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abbas aide sex tape scandal shakes Palestinians

Well whadya know, politics is the same just about everywhere.

837 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:20:26am

re: #834 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abbas aide sex tape scandal shakes Palestinians

If it had been a boy, no one would raise a unibrow.

838 filetandrelease  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:20:30am

re: #834 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abbas aide sex tape scandal shakes Palestinians

Wasn't this a job interview?

839 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:21:55am

re: #837 Cato the Elder

If it had been a boy, no one would raise a unibrow.

Ouch!

840 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:22:51am

re: #704 MandyManners

Yes, the bloom is off the rose for Peggy Noonan.

There is, I think, an amazing political fact right now that is hiding in plain sight and is rich with implications. It was there in President Obama's Jan. 25, pre-State of the Union interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, who was pressing him about his political predicaments. "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president," he said. "And I—and I believe that."

Excellent Mandy. I liked this from the piece...
"Washington's pundits have begun announcing that the White House is better at campaigning than at governing, but that was obvious last summer. The president and his advisers understand one thing really well, and that is Democratic primaries and Democratic politics. This is the area in which they made their careers. It's how they defeated Hillary Clinton—by knowing how Democrats think. In the 2008 general election, appealing for the first time to all of America and not only to Democrats, they had one great gift on their side, the man who both made Mr. Obama and did in John McCain, and that was George W. Bush.

But now it is 2010, and Mr. Bush is gone. Mr. Obama is left with America, and he does not, really, understand it. "


But but he is sooo smart! //

841 Mosh  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:23:06am

re: #834 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abbas aide sex tape scandal shakes Palestinians

Breitbart.com?

842 Ericus58  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:23:15am

Do you date my Avatar?

Youtube Video
843 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:24:35am

re: #706 Naso Tang

This is amusing, but the problem I see is that from 20 feet away, or less to the unobservant, you will look just like any left wing westerner supporting Hamas.

Truth is, just using a middle finger is cheaper and more selectively targeted.

True :))

844 Kragar  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:26:02am

re: #841 Mosh

Breitbart.com?

I could link to the same story in the Washington Post, Today, or a Palistinian News blog if it would make you happy.

845 cliffster  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:26:08am

re: #842 Ericus58

awesomeness

846 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:27:32am

re: #708 Naso Tang

Careful with the teleprompter quips. Tell me one president who never did.

What do you mean? Obama is on a teleprompter almost all the time.
Bush on the other hand didn't rely on teleprompters except for major addresses. That is why he got into so much trouble.

847 Ericus58  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:29:07am

re: #845 cliffster

awesomeness

The show just cracks me up...

848 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:29:11am

re: #711 cliffster

Jefferson

Oh you are sharp on the uptake. :))

849 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:31:16am

re: #846 Blueheron

But Obama can actually speak without one, without mangling the language regardless if one likes what he says.

850 The Left  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:41:23am

re: #835 Killgore Trout

I'm looking forward to the Tea Party conspiracy theories that he's a leftist plant sent to discredit the movement.

Oh yeah. That should be fun.
I need to delve into this guy's posts over there. I'm sure there are many more goodies to be found.
BTW, you're absolutely right upthread-- we have been lucky so far. These apocalyptic-vision wackos are all over the tea party movement, and I bet if we started looking in depth at their various message boards we would find loads of people just like this guy. Some of them are probably just ranting on the internet, but then there are the ones who do have guns and believe what they're saying.
I think we're lucky he didn't shoot some law enforcement officers, personally.

851 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:41:51am

re: #766 filetandrelease

So he apologized. So what. It would never occur to me to say something like that but Obama thought he was being cute.

852 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:44:04am

re: #774 PT Barnum

I dunno, knowing how often I stick my foot in my mouth, I think expecting anyone to speak perfectly every time is unrealistic. However, to the extent that it's an exception rather than the rule that someone says something out of line, I thin k we need to give them some leeway.

Especially if they don't call themselves GW.

853 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 11:00:38am

re: #817 filetandrelease

Hey, those words on her hand were spelled right.

It was a big mistake to make fun of words written on her hand. Many people in construction and other trades do the very same thing when measuring something and then going back to a saw to cut pipe or wood whatever. I have done it until I could get down the hill to a pen and paper. It is common with WORKING people.

854 Blueheron  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 11:07:11am

re: #849 Naso Tang

But Obama can actually speak without one, without mangling the language regardless if one likes what he says.

When was the last time he spoke without a teleprompter? I know he answered questions this week at the daily press briefing (the first time since July) but go back before that and find me an event where he didn't use a teleprompter or prescreened questions.

855 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 11:19:54am

re: #854 Blueheron

Honestly, I don't know. I had the impression that he has had many off the cuff speeches. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps we should move to arguing why the hell GWB didn't do more of the same?

856 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 12, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #854 Blueheron

So, aside from the recent event where he spoke well without a teleprompter?

Why do you need another example?

The youtube interview is another example. Are you now satisfied, or do you need another?


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