This is a live video feed from WHNT.com in Huntsville, Alabama, where reports are that a female staff member has shot and killed three people on the UA-Huntsville campus.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:28:59pm |
From the last thread:
re: #44 Racer X
Mostly the wives I would guess. Women always seem to be the voice of reason in a civilized society.
Sort of blows that whole theory right out of the water, eh?
;)
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:30:34pm |
Probably be a few hours before we get a motive, details, etc.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:31:36pm |
OK, taking bets here: sudden hijab syndrome or Sarah Palin fan?
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:32:19pm |
re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth
From the last thread:
Mostly the wives I would guess. Women always seem to be the voice of reason in a civilized society.
Sort of blows that whole theory right out of the water, eh?
;)
always most often.
/fixed?
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:33:10pm |
re: #3 Cato the Elder
OK, taking bets here: sudden hijab syndrome or Sarah Palin fan?
I got $10 on spurned lover.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:34:01pm |
Authorities said a female faculty member during a Biology faculty meeting learned she would not receive tenure. She then pulled out a gun and started shooting.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:34:54pm |
re: #3 Cato the Elder
OK, taking bets here: sudden hijab syndrome or Sarah Palin fan?
Grand Theft Auto (Video Games)?
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Stonemason Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:34:58pm |
re: #3 Cato the Elder
I am with the spurned lover group
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:35:10pm |
Oh, god, a tenure shooting?
I guess it was only a matter of time.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:35:20pm |
re: #5 Racer X
I got $10 on spurned lover.
I'll bet that she got passed over for tenure. Shit, I already posted #6.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:36:03pm |
re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
hmm. No tenure is now a reason to shoot someone. I don't want to know how they would treat a firing.
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Stonemason Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:36:15pm |
re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And a faculty member, must be a liberal, must be part of some left wing...
oh nevermind.
///
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:36:24pm |
Well this is going to get a lot of play ...
[Link: blog.al.com...]
Alabama Senate committee blocks campus gun bills
By Jeremy Gray -- The Birmingham News
March 26, 2008, 12:09PMMONTGOMERY -- A state senator, motivated by deadly campus shootings in Virginia and Illinois, drew opposition from Alabama higher education officials and got nowhere with his bills to allow professors and some students to carry guns on Alabama campuses.
The Senate Education Committee split largely along party lines Wednesday when it voted down the bills by Sen. Hank Erwin, R-Montevallo. Republicans mostly supported the bills, and Democrats were united in their opposition.
"I gave it my best shot, and the committee, representing the people of Alabama, said no," Erwin said after the votes.
Erwin began working on his bills last April after a gunman at Virginia Tech killed 32 people. He increased his push after a suicidal gunman killed five people at Northern Illinois University in February.
Alabama's public universities, like most colleges around the country, ban guns on campus.
Erwin's bills would have allowed professors with the proper gun permits to carry their weapons on public college campuses. The bills also would have allowed students to carry guns, provided they met a long lists of requirements, including having the proper permits, completing a gun skills course approved by the university, and participating in the campus' ROTC military training program.
As a gun owner but not a lunatic, I have mixed feelings on these attempts to declare "gun free zones" and then the counter attempts to exploit shootings in such zones.
To get a permit to carry a concealed weapon is pretty rigorous in most jurisdictions so I don't fully grasp why "gun free zone" advocates won't exempt such permit holders.
As for deterrence, if you have the krazee and want to kill people and find the will to follow through I doubt there is much to deter you. But it would be nice if there is a higher probability of people stopping you in your tracks.
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:36:38pm |
Damn liberal college professors and their guns.
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:36:40pm |
I just talked to family and someone said she applied for or said she was going to apply for a pistol permit yesterday.
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:37:30pm |
Not the fault of Charles or his crack team, but that is a truly ill placed advertisement-From Google I presume for Glock products. Must be the key words but that kinds sucks.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:38:11pm |
F***! WHO THE F*** WHAT THE F*** HOW, WHY THE F*** DID THIS F***ING ..... F***!
(Please do not make the "diversity of the word" joke)
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:38:15pm |
re: #13 karmic_inquisitor
Gun free zones only work under the assumtion that no one will bring a gun into them because hey, its a gun free zone.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:39:19pm |
re: #16 Rightwingconspirator
Not the fault of Charles or his crack team, but that is a truly ill placed advertisement-From Google I presume for Glock products. Must be the key words but that kinds sucks.
I got the "Bad Idea" T-shirts ad, which does apply oddly enough.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:39:20pm |
The anger and hate to kill 3 lives over a stinking teaching position is beyond belief...
How much hate that eats at a person's heart could cause this?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:39:40pm |
re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Really? Really?
That what its come to?
With all the craziness out there we're now getting people shot over tenure?
THIS IS A SICK WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN!
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:39:43pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just like the Nuclear Free Zone the Berkeley City council declared. Uh, the Navy or a terrorist just may not obey.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:39:46pm |
re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
This is horrible. She murdered people because she was denied tenure? I can't use a certain word here, but I'm thinking it really hard.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:39:46pm |
The shooter was a faculty member denied tenure...
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:40:02pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gun free zones only work under the assumtion that no one will bring a gun into them because hey, its a gun free zone.
Until the Supremes weighed in, all of Washington, D.C. was a gun-free zone.
That worked, didn't it?
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:40:12pm |
re: #11 PhillyPretzel
hmm. No tenure is now a reason to shoot someone. I don't want to know how they would treat a firing.
Hate to say it, but at most Universities, tenure grants are pretty much automatic. You pay your dues, and after a well-established period of slavery you get you grant, end of story.
You have to be truly incompetent in your field to be turned down.
I suspect we'll be hearing about the shooter having a long, long history of being a misfit.
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Virginia Plain Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:40:25pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gun free zones only work under the assumtion that no one will bring a gun into them because hey, its a gun free zone.
Those who have an intent to harm will bring a weapon anyway, rules be damned. I have thought about what I would do if this happened at my university. I don't have much at my disposal. All I can do is run and hide.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:40:46pm |
re: #14 Racer X
Damn
liberalcollege professors and their guns.
She could be a clingy conservative. We don't know yet.
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:40:58pm |
Taking lives over being denied tenure. So fucking senseless and pathetic.
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:40:59pm |
re: #21 jamesfirecat
Really? Really?
That what its come to?
With all the craziness out there we're now getting people shot over tenure?
THIS IS A SICK WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN!
Pull it together.
And who is this "we"?
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:41:21pm |
re: #21 jamesfirecat
Kids get shot for tennis shoes and the small money in their pockets. "Going Postal" is a cliche. Humanity has a lot to improve.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:41:51pm |
six I am aware of the rules of tenure. My dad was an instructor at a local college for 20 years. Becuase he was part time he did not get tenure.
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srb1976 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:41:57pm |
I just heard about this on local news....and so soon after the middle school shooting last week....
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:42:14pm |
I can see it if her syllabus was rejected, too.
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:42:53pm |
re: #26 SixDegrees
Hate to say it, but at most Universities, tenure grants are pretty much automatic. You pay your dues, and after a well-established period of slavery you get you grant, end of story.
You have to be truly incompetent in your field to be turned down.
I suspect we'll be hearing about the shooter having a long, long history of being a misfit.
Tenure is now hard to get. Universities now work people like dogs for everal years and then let them go. My husband is a professor (with tenure) and does the hiring for his dept. Competition is stiff.
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:42:59pm |
A SWAT room by room sweep will take quite a while, 200,000 square feet. Could be all night.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:43:07pm |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
The anger and hate to kill 3 lives over a stinking teaching position is beyond belief...
How much hate that eats at a person's heart could cause this?
tenured college jobs ate like gold....priceless for those involved, and people will kill each over anything valuable
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:43:53pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
She could be a clingy conservative. We don't know yet.
Yes. I was mocking the notion that all college professors are liberals poisoning our kids' minds.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:44:39pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My house is a Guns Freed zone.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:44:48pm |
re: #38 Racer X
Yes. I was mocking the notion that all college professors are liberals poisoning our kids' minds.
Some are communists and marxists!
/
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jamesfirecat Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:44:54pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:45:23pm |
re: #32 PhillyPretzel
six I am aware of the rules of tenure. My dad was an instructor at a local college for 20 years. Becuase he was part time he did not get tenure.
Yes, being a full time instructor is typically part of the requirements for receiving tenure.
The point is, the requirements are pretty cut and dried. If you meet them, you'll know about it well before hand, and decisions not to grant despite having met all the requirements are extremely rare and typically revolve around sheer incompetence.
But if you're part time to begin with, you're not on a tenure track.
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:45:39pm |
re: #41 jamesfirecat
The "we' is American citizens as a whole...
"We" didn't do shit. Some asshole with a gun did.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:45:45pm |
Shit. Talk about priorities.
Her tenure in the Book of Life has just been revoked by her own hand.
May her name vanish.
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Racer X Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:46:38pm |
Guns don't kill people any more than spoons make you fat.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:47:16pm |
re: #42 SixDegrees
This person thought they could get around that for some reason.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:47:57pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:48:17pm |
re: #45 Racer X
Guns don't kill people any more than spoons make you fat.
Wait... How'd you know I was eating cereal just now?
:que spooky music:
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:48:23pm |
re: #47 PhillyPretzel
This person thought they could get around that for some reason.
Like I said, I suspect we'll learn that she's got a long history of problems.
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palomino Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:48:32pm |
re: #45 Racer X
Guns don't kill people any more than spoons make you fat.
True, but you can't kill anywhere near as many people, at least not as quickly, if you're only armed with a spoon.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:48:42pm |
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:48:49pm |
re: #47 PhillyPretzel
This person thought they could get around that for some reason.
It was her understanding that there would soon be vacancies in the department.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:48:51pm |
re: #43 Racer X
"We" didn't do shit. Some asshole with a gun did.
I meant "we're now getting people shot over tenure" in the sense of "now we have to sit back and watch as people get shot over tenure"
Sorry does that clear things up?
After reading my post a fifth time I now see the bone you had to pick with it that was badly phrased...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:50:13pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:50:22pm |
Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:50:54pm |
Biology Department. (If it hasn't already been posted)
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:51:15pm |
Kragar we will see what happens. Is anyone having problems using the reply and quote buttons. I have to sign in to use them and it is a one time thing.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:51:39pm |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
The anger and hate to kill 3 lives over a stinking teaching position is beyond belief...
How much hate that eats at a person's heart could cause this?
If you have dealt with academic politics, personalities and egos then CATOs comment of "it was a matter of time" pretty much sums things up.
Tenure is no longer about intellectual freedom.
It is about prestige, acceptance and economic security. And the ways in which it is both awarded and denied are not much different from how entry to tree forts is granted across this great nation every day.
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palomino Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:51:47pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:52:02pm |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
You're not on the ride you think you are, and would you kindly shift your weight a little. You're squashing all the muffins.
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:53:02pm |
HUNTSVILLE, AL -- A biology professor is in custody in connection with three fatal shootings on the University of Alabama in Huntsville campus Friday afternoon, according to a UAH official.
Dr. Amy Bishop, a Harvard-University trained neuroscientist, was taken into custody, and her husband has been detained. They have not been charged with a crime...
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:53:12pm |
re: #61 palomino
Just imagine trying to kill someone with a spoon. Horribly inefficient and would create a bloody mess. Good thing we Americans don't roll like that.
Guy of Gisborne: Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?
Sheriff of Nottingham: Because it's DULL, you twit. It'll hurt more.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:54:22pm |
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abbyadams Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:54:42pm |
re: #60 karmic_inquisitor
As someone who, until recently, was a member of college faculty (part time, non tenured track,) the "economic security" is a biggie. If your research goes south, or you lose funding because the economy's gone to hell, then bye-bye job. You lose everything you've worked for.
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:54:47pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:55:25pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
Those Ivy Leaguers - clinging to their guns.
/ I know - in bad taste. But I specialize in bad taste.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:55:48pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:55:51pm |
re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Why the husband? Was he directly involved in any way at this point?
Don't know. Probably more to this then simply the tenure angle?
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palomino Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:56:19pm |
re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guy of Gisborne: Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?
Sheriff of Nottingham: Because it's DULL, you twit. It'll hurt more.
Exactly. Being killed by a spoon would actually be an excruciatingly painful way to die, just because it would take so long. I'd rather be killed by a plastic cup.
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:56:28pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:56:28pm |
Regarding her tenure...
That'll help.
Crazy person!
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:57:26pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:57:34pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
Don't know. Probably more to this then simply the tenure angle?
Maybe. Could also be the typical sloppy and wrong reporting that so often attends the first few hours of an event like this.
24 hour rule.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:57:55pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:58:03pm |
re: #79 SixDegrees
Maybe. Could also be the typical sloppy and wrong reporting that so often attends the first few hours of an event like this.
24 hour rule.
Yep.
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:58:48pm |
re: #79 SixDegrees
Maybe. Could also be the typical sloppy and wrong reporting that so often attends the first few hours of an event like this.
24 hour rule.
Mother Facture takes time.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:59:53pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
Don't know. Probably more to this then simply the tenure angle?
Says he was detained. Could be nothing more than "Did she give any signs that she planned this?" and "Has she been acting unusual in the last few days?" type of questioning.
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researchok Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:00:26pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:00:30pm |
Research specialty: "Molecular Biology of Oxidative Stress."
Introducing a lead projectile into the human body at hundreds of feet per second will induce both stress and oxidation at the molecular level. Can't you people see I was conducting an empirical test?
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researchok Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:02:22pm |
Harvard trained neuroscience professor.
Oh yeah, psych defense.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:02:27pm |
re: #85 Cato the Elder
that is one way of looking at it. I do not think too many others will see it that way.
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:02:51pm |
re: #86 researchok
Harvard trained neuroscience professor.
Oh yeah, psych defense.
"My brain made me do it!"
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researchok Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:03:18pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:03:33pm |
re: #85 Cato the Elder
Research specialty: "Molecular Biology of Oxidative Stress."
Introducing a lead projectile into the human body at hundreds of feet per second will induce both stress and oxidation at the molecular level. Can't you people see I was conducting an empirical test?
it's the hydrostatic shock that induces the oxidation and stress
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:04:01pm |
From some of the links form Gus, if you haven't clicked:
Erin Johnson, a sophomore and a student aide, said there was a biology faculty meeting underway when she heard screams coming from the room.
. . .
Justin Wright, a UAH senior majoring in psychology/philosphy, was working in the math lab on the second floor when police came runing in with guns drawn.
"My first instinct was, 'I need to get down. I need to get down,' " Wright said. "I've never seen a gun or heavy artillery like that. I was shocked."
Chris Whitaker, 20, is freshman at UAH majoring in engineering. He is the son of Space & Rocket Center media director Al Whitaker, who picked him up on campus after hearing the news.
"I was sitting in a car with a friend (outside the University Center), and his dad called him and said there was a shooting," Whitaker said. "We heard 10 were rushed to the hospital. We listened to the radio and heard there were two dead, then three."
Whitaker said there was no cell phone notification about the shooting.
"I'm completely blown away. I didn't expect it to happen here at UAH," he said. "I took a biology class last year, but thank goodness I didn't take one this year."
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:04:01pm |
Note to self: find magic rock that protect against crazy neuroscience professor attacks.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:04:06pm |
Psych Defense? possible. Could also be biological?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:04:52pm |
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:05:25pm |
Is anyone else having problems with using the reply and quote buttons. They work once and then I have to sign out then back in to use it again.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:05:50pm |
Global Warming ain't a problem. Earth ain't got a fever.
The human race has lost it's fucking mind.
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:06:20pm |
So the suspect is a teacher, do the police have any psychological information on the woman yet? Probably not.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:06:25pm |
re: #91 Silvergirl
Is the "math lab" where they cook the formulae?
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:07:33pm |
Just a few weeks ago there was one in Tennessee where a teacher denied tenure shot both the principals at his school. Seems it might be spreading...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:07:37pm |
A relative of mine was on campus yesterday. A woman stormed past him and a security guard told him the woman said she was going to get a gun permit. He thinks it was the same person. If so they had warning she was unstable. But I guess the 24 hour rule would apply to this as well.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:08:13pm |
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:09:36pm |
Students were probably celebrating Valentine's Day ahead of the weekend. This will be their Chicago style St. Valentine's Day in their memories.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:10:57pm |
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No
Registration of handguns? No
Licensing of owners of handguns? No
Permit to carry handguns? Yes
Purchase:
It is unlawful to sell, give, lend or deliver a handgun to any person under 18, or to a person whom the seller has reasonable cause to believe has been convicted of a crime of violence, is a drug addict, a habitual drunkard, or of unsound mind.Possession:
No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.Law enforcement authorities have advised that minors cannot carry or possess a handgun.
It is unlawful for any person to have in his possession, or on his person, or in any vehicle any firearm while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place, or within 1,000 feet of a demonstration after being warned by a police officer.
It is unlawful to possess, sell, or use a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun.
Carrying:
It is unlawful to carry a concealed pistol, firearm, or airgun without a permit.It is unlawful to carry a rifle or shotgun walking cane.
No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own home or fixed place of business, without a license.
Exempt from this prohibition are law enforcement officers, common carriers, and persons carrying unloaded handguns in a secure wrapper from a place of purchase to one’s home or business, or to or from a place of repair, or in moving from one home or business to another.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:11:28pm |
re: #103 Silvergirl
Students were probably celebrating Valentine's Day ahead of the weekend. This will be their Chicago style St. Valentine's Day in their memories.
bloodthirsy liberal extremists coming out of the woodwork....probably another Amy Goodman fan
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:12:07pm |
re: #102 albusteve
heh...mathadrene
Mathamphetamine.
If you get addicted, they can put you on mathadone.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:12:14pm |
re: #104 Cato the Elder
Harvard-educated.
Well there you go.
at Columbia they just argue you to death
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:12:34pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:12:48pm |
re: #104 Cato the Elder
Harvard-educated.
Well there you go.
Why do you say that? Does Harvard produce mass murderers?
Is this what it has come down to? The College you attend
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:13:33pm |
Kragar Time will tell what she had or did not have
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:14:00pm |
re: #110 HoosierHoops
Why do you say that? Does Harvard produce mass murderers?
Is this what it has come down to? The College you attend
Someone from Yale would have managed to kill more people.
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arethusa Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:14:39pm |
As someone who's been in academia and left happily and willingly to get way from it, really...tenure is not worth killing for (duh). Reaching tenure can become an obsession with many academics (who tend towards the neurotic and obsessive anyway) because it means you've made it and can't be jerked around any longer by a profession that generally treats junior scholars very badly indeed. But, jeez, if you find yourself so obsessed by it that you're bringing guns to a faculty meeting (if the reports are right, that means this was premeditated, but 24-hour rule), there is something wrong with you, whatever defense your lawyers cook up.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:15:18pm |
re: #111 PhillyPretzel
Kragar Time will tell what she had or did not have
I'm used to their being a permit or "cool off" period for handgun purchases. Apparently, that is not the case in Alabama.
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:16:03pm |
Permit to carry handguns? YesCarrying:
It is unlawful to carry a concealed pistol, firearm, or airgun without a permit.It is unlawful to carry a rifle or shotgun walking cane.
No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own home or fixed place of business, without a license.
Exempt from this prohibition are law enforcement officers, common carriers, and persons carrying unloaded handguns in a secure wrapper from a place of purchase to one’s home or business, or to or from a place of repair, or in moving from one home or business to another.
In my humble opinion, the carrying laws seem a little strict.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:16:11pm |
re: #101 Dona Quixote
the woman said she was going to get a gun permit. He thinks it was the same person
You don't just "go get one". They don't have them at WalMart
Not to mention that in Alabama one doesn't even NEED a "permit"
[Link: crime.about.com...]
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Velvet Elvis Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:16:34pm |
Just saw this.
FWIW, being denied tenure is pretty much a career ender, particularly when the best you could get hired onto in the first place was a state school like this. If she was lucky she could have gotten a position at a community college but it would still be the end of a dream.
Not getting tenure is closer to losing your law license than it is to losing a job. When it's not a career ender, it's a major career changer.
Man I'm glad I didn't go to grad school.
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:18:32pm |
Anyone considering splurging with their tax returns, even a little?
I'm eyeing a 3 year used PRS guitar and am so tempted.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:19:43pm |
re: #119 eclectic infidel
Guns are bad, mmkay?
Guns are neutral, as are baseball bats and axes.
People are bad.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:19:53pm |
re: #116 Mosh
In my humble opinion, the carrying laws seem a little strict.
As far as I read it, you can buy a hand gun and take it home for personal defense, and take it to and from a gun store without a permit, but if you intend more, like carry it on you at all times or keep it in a vehicle, then you'll need a permit to do so.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:19:54pm |
re: #118 Conservative Moonbat
Just saw this.
FWIW, being denied tenure is pretty much a career ender, particularly when the best you could get hired onto in the first place was a state school like this. If she was lucky she could have gotten a position at a community college but it would still be the end of a dream.
Not getting tenure is closer to losing your law license than it is to losing a job. When it's not a career ender, it's a major career changer.
Man I'm glad I didn't go to grad school.
like I said, tenure is like gold
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:20:41pm |
re: #117 sattv4u2
No, but my point is that she was talking about getting one yesterday. Not that she got one. That means she was unstable as of at least yesterday. And also it may have been someone else. But my relative is an older reliable person so if he says it was the same person it probably was.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:20:48pm |
re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As far as I read it, you can buy a hand gun and take it home for personal defense, and take it to and from a gun store without a permit, but if you intend more, like carry it on you at all times or keep it in a vehicle, then you'll need a permit to do so.
that's more than reasonable imo
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:21:02pm |
re: #118 Conservative Moonbat
Just saw this.
FWIW, being denied tenure is pretty much a career ender, particularly when the best you could get hired onto in the first place was a state school like this. If she was lucky she could have gotten a position at a community college but it would still be the end of a dream.
Not getting tenure is closer to losing your law license than it is to losing a job. When it's not a career ender, it's a major career changer.
Man I'm glad I didn't go to grad school.
Killing three people is also a major career changer.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:21:44pm |
re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Killing three people is also a major career changer.
go from college prof to license plate maker
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:22:07pm |
re: #125 albusteve
that's more than reasonable imo
Agreed, though I would wonder if taking it to and from a licensed range is considered allowable.
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apaulogist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:22:22pm |
By the way, UAH is only about a fifteen minute drive from Discovery Middle School, the site of last week's shooting.
(I'm from the area.)
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:22:55pm |
re: #124 Dona Quixote
No, but my point is that she was talking about getting one yesterday. Not that she got one. That means she was unstable as of at least yesterday. And also it may have been someone else. But my relative is an older reliable person so if he says it was the same person it probably was.
I guess on or about January 1985 I must have been "unstable" because I talked about (and soon got) a permit in Massachusetts!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:23:01pm |
re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Killing three people is also a major career changer.
Apparently she and her husband were developing a game-changing, patented or patentable new cell incubator.
She could have made a fortune in the private sector.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:23:04pm |
re: #129 apaulogist
By the way, UAH is only about a fifteen minute drive from Discovery Middle School, the site of last week's shooting.
(I'm from the area.)
Got to wonder if she was watching the news and got the idea from it.
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:23:05pm |
I'm goin out for a McFlurie!
BBL for the open thread!
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:23:08pm |
re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Agreed, though I would wonder if taking it to and from a licensed range is considered allowable.
good question, altho it didn't say so in the law posted
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:23:08pm |
I just saw the video from the fatal luge training accident. What a negligent shame. Un padded steel beams right next to the track. Stupid, just stupid. That should be fixed or the event canceled. I'm sure he was killed at impact.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:24:06pm |
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I just saw the video from the fatal luge training accident. What a negligent shame. Un padded steel beams right next to the track. Stupid, just stupid. That should be fixed or the event canceled. I'm sure he was killed at impact.
I saw a still photo grabbed from the video but not the video.
Care to tell me where you found it?
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:25:09pm |
Okay but consider yourself warned, NTSF, and very hard on any caring human soul.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
My respects to the athlete and his family.
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:25:19pm |
.....time to allow students to arm themselves? When I was in college I sure as hell thought about it, after VT.
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:25:26pm |
re: #130 sattv4u2
I'm not saying getting a gun permit makes you unstable. But yelling at a security guard as you're rushing out of a building that you're going to get one is kind of a clue.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:25:35pm |
re: #131 Cato the Elder
Apparently she and her husband were developing a game-changing, patented or patentable new cell incubator.
She could have made a fortune in the private sector.
Perhaps shopping the idea around to a private sector source would have been a better solution than killing three people?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:25:36pm |
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I just saw the video from the fatal luge training accident. What a negligent shame. Un padded steel beams right next to the track. Stupid, just stupid. That should be fixed or the event canceled. I'm sure he was killed at impact.
he died at the hospital...there should be a continuous barrier along the track...a one man luge can really get some speed, especially near the bottom, if you have a good run
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:26:50pm |
re: #138 TampaKnight
...time to allow students to arm themselves? When I was in college I sure as hell thought about it, after VT.
What does this event have to do with allowing students to be armed?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:26:52pm |
re: #139 Dona Quixote
I'm not saying getting a gun permit makes you unstable. But yelling at a security guard as you're rushing out of a building that you're going to get one is kind of a clue.
And all i'm saying is that you have that 3rd hand at best ( "a" security guard told "a" friend of yours that just happened to be on campus yesterday who then told you)
Where does Kevin Bacon fit in !?!?!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:26:56pm |
re: #138 TampaKnight
...time to allow students to arm themselves? When I was in college I sure as hell thought about it, after VT.
VT as in Vermont?
In Vermont there are no gun laws. You can walk into a store, buy a handgun, stick it in your belt and walk down the street carrying open or concealed.
Seriously.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:27:04pm |
re: #138 TampaKnight
...time to allow students to arm themselves? When I was in college I sure as hell thought about it, after VT.
I don't believe students were directly involved in the shooting. This was a personal attack on a specific group of people, not a rampage/rage attack.
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:27:10pm |
re: #141 albusteve
Yes there should have been a wall to keep him on the track.
My god, he lived some? What got me was the ring of impact on the beam. Needless, negligent, obvious. I am pissed.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:27:26pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:27:32pm |
re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Perhaps shopping the idea around to a private sector source would have been a better solution than killing three people?
not as glamorous, and you'd actually have to produce some results
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:28:03pm |
re: #144 Cato the Elder
VT as in Vermont?
In Vermont there are no gun laws. You can walk into a store, buy a handgun, stick it in your belt and walk down the street carrying open or concealed.
Seriously.
VT = Virginia Tech
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:28:14pm |
re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't believe students were directly involved in the shooting. This was a personal attack on a specific group of people, not a rampage/rage attack.
Oh, I know. I'm just saying that it seems like campuses have seen increased violence recently. My school had a gunman on campus in 2005 but was taken down before he did anything....he was just roaming around but had a gun drawn.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:28:16pm |
re: #144 Cato the Elder
VT as in Vermont?
In Vermont there are no gun laws. You can walk into a store, buy a handgun, stick it in your belt and walk down the street carrying open or concealed.
Seriously.
Virginia Tech
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Kragar Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:28:48pm |
re: #148 albusteve
not as glamorous, and you'd actually have to produce some results
"I've worked in the private sector. They expect results!" - Ray
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:29:12pm |
re: #144 Cato the Elder
VT as in Vermont?
In Vermont there are no gun laws. You can walk into a store, buy a handgun, stick it in your belt and walk down the street carrying open or concealed.
Seriously.
the best law in the country...open carry or C and C stats speak for themselves
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zora Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:29:50pm |
re: #130 sattv4u2
Her instability was confirmed by today's actions. This does not apply to you since you did not go on a shooting spree.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:29:53pm |
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:29:58pm |
That's interesting about Vermont though....I took it for a very liberal state. I visit there often to my friends' cabin in Rutland, it's an amazing place.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:30:00pm |
re: #137 Rightwingconspirator
Okay but consider yourself warned, NTSF, and very hard on any caring human soul.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]My respects to the athlete and his family.
He was really moving down that chute.
My condolences also to his family.
That sport is brutally dangerous.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:31:01pm |
re: #157 TampaKnight
That's interesting about Vermont though...I took it for a very liberal state. I visit there often to my friends' cabin in Rutland, it's an amazing place.
full of liberal NYs who want to be armed...can't disagree with that
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freetoken Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:31:07pm |
re: #35 Dona Quixote
Tenure is now hard to get. Universities now work people like dogs for everal years and then let them go. My husband is a professor (with tenure) and does the hiring for his dept. Competition is stiff.
With the increase in Ph.Ds over the past 4 decades or so, it seems to have become increasingly unlikely that someone can find a tenured position at a university.
I remember well all the post-docs that were being worked hard, with little to no chance of getting a faculty position, much less a tenured one eventually. That was in physics, which was (and still is) a highly impacted field (as far as openings at universities.)
Perhaps intuitively that is one reason why I decided to go out and get a job, for the money, and not follow the academic-rat-race and pursue a Ph.D.
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:32:12pm |
re: #159 albusteve
full of liberal NYs who want to be armed...can't disagree with that
Yeah, because Vermont is such a rough "neighborhood."
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:32:17pm |
re: #157 TampaKnight
That's interesting about Vermont though...I took it for a very liberal state. I visit there often to my friends' cabin in Rutland, it's an amazing place.
Liberal in the true sense of the word as far as the gun laws.
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:32:27pm |
re: #159 albusteve
full of liberal NYs who want to be armed...can't disagree with that
I've also been to Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. Beautiful places and really awesome (to me) lifestyle....they love some individual freedom, guns, and wide open spaces.
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arethusa Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:32:28pm |
re: #157 TampaKnight
That's interesting about Vermont though...I took it for a very liberal state. I visit there often to my friends' cabin in Rutland, it's an amazing place.
My impression is that it's more like a very independent, don't-tell-me-what-to-do state.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:32:50pm |
re: #155 zora
Her instability was confirmed by today's actions. This does not apply to you since you did not go on a shooting spree.
And it was the posters speculation that it was even the same person
Again, 3rd hand account at best
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:33:05pm |
re: #143 sattv4u2
Yes and I said that it was subject to the 24 hour rule. This is a close relative. As soon as I heard I called him as he has two kids who go to school there as well as some close friends who teach there. He was kind of dazed because he recognized the photo. My point is that there may have been something that happened yesterday and that there may have been some warning. I am not attacking your gun permit or your guns.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:33:35pm |
re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"I've worked in the private sector. They expect results!" - Ray
Ghostbusters "Auto-ding!"
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:33:58pm |
re: #165 arethusa
My impression is that it's more like a very independent, don't-tell-me-what-to-do state.
Which is liberal in the true sense of the word.
And people in Vermont are very polite to strangers.
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:34:08pm |
re: #158 reine.de.tout
True. Hey Reine have a great weekend!
It is dangerous, but the track design... Just stupid. Those guys crash a lot, and usually just slide along for a wild ride, with sprains or a break. Keeping the luge and rider on the track is all you need to do. I have seen wrecks where they spilled all over the ice and raced the next day.
Gotta go subway time!
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:35:10pm |
re: #160 freetoken
With the increase in Ph.Ds over the past 4 decades or so, it seems to have become increasingly unlikely that someone can find a tenured position at a university.
I remember well all the post-docs that were being worked hard, with little to no chance of getting a faculty position, much less a tenured one eventually. That was in physics, which was (and still is) a highly impacted field (as far as openings at universities.)
Perhaps intuitively that is one reason why I decided to go out and get a job, for the money, and not follow the academic-rat-race and pursue a Ph.D.
tenure should be aboilshed...these insulated cliques in the education business are nothing but trouble...the NEA should be abolished too...there is no need for this near fanatical pursuit of tenure
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:35:42pm |
re: #164 TampaKnight
I've also been to Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. Beautiful places and really awesome (to me) lifestyle...they love some individual freedom, guns, and wide open spaces.
tell me about it...I'm a New Mexican
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:36:27pm |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:36:28pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:37:30pm |
re: #172 albusteve
tenure should be aboilshed...these insulated cliques in the education business are nothing but trouble...the NEA should be abolished too...there is no need for this near fanatical pursuit of tenure
What does the NEA have to do with tenure?
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arethusa Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:37:41pm |
re: #172 albusteve
tenure should be aboilshed...these insulated cliques in the education business are nothing but trouble...the NEA should be abolished too...there is no need for this near fanatical pursuit of tenure
Actually the tenure system is on its way out in academia, because of the expense of tenured salaries and because once tenured so many professors simply lay back and do nothing ever again. Often when it's replaced it's with a rolling contract (3 years, say), with a review every year. Once you fail a review, you will fill out the rest of the 3 years and then that will be it for you at the school. I think this is a better system overall.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:38:38pm |
re: #175 sattv4u2
You gave up your US citizenship!?!?!
//
we are between Texas and Arizona...see that?..that's us!
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:39:04pm |
re: #121 Cato the Elder
Yes yes. Still though, can't help but wonder if less shooting sprees would happen if less people had access to firearms in the first place. More of a hypothetical rather than actually wanting the gubbmint to confiscate said arms of law-abiding citizens.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:39:22pm |
re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Agreed, though I would wonder if taking it to and from a licensed range is considered allowable.
I'm told they can be transported in a locked container (auto trunk). Better check.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:39:57pm |
In Massachusetts you now need a permit to buy ammo. In Vermont you don't need a permit to buy or carry a gun.
Guess which state I'd like to live in permanently?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:40:01pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
What does the NEA have to do with tenure?
don't know, other than it protects bad teachers and promotes an agenda contrary to educating children
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:42:24pm |
re: #184 albusteve
The main reason for tenure is for academic freedom of the faculty. Without tenure, a lot more professors are going to be fired for expressing politically unpopular views.
Tenure has its reasons for existence.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:42:27pm |
re: #163 HoosierHoops
Thanks. The opening ceremonies are usually good shows.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:42:28pm |
re: #179 arethusa
That tends, though, to not recognize past accomplishments.
"Tenure" can be justified, I think, on a couple of grounds, one of them being a sustained high quality output during the "career building" phase of the individual.
This is especially true in the sciences, where there is often a brief window of notable accomplishments, followed by a longer period of less output.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:42:48pm |
re: #35 Dona Quixote
Tenure is now hard to get. Universities now work people like dogs for several years and then let them go. My husband is a professor (with tenure) and does the hiring for his dept. Competition is stiff.
Which is how they keep tuition so affordable.
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:43:53pm |
re: #184 albusteve
don't know, other than it protects bad teachers and promotes an agenda contrary to educating children
NEA is not relevant to tenure however since it only covers K-12 public school teachers.
Let's say this pipe dream of getting rid of the NEA were to come true what would you replace it with?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:44:57pm |
re: #189 Gus 802
NEA is not relevant to tenure however since it only covers K-12 public school teachers.
Let's say this pipe dream of getting rid of the NEA were to come true what would you replace it with?
why does it have to be replaced?
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:46:25pm |
re: #189 Gus 802
NEA is not relevant to tenure however since it only covers K-12 public school teachers.Let's say this pipe dream of getting rid of the NEA were to come true what would you replace it with?
Never mind. They do cover higher ed.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:47:18pm |
re: #191 Gus 802
Never mind. They do cover higher ed.
But less so as one gets into more rarified atmospheres.
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:47:30pm |
re: #190 albusteve
why does it have to be replaced?
It won't be replaced nor will the NEA go away.
Carry on with the "it's the liberal NEA unions fault" angle.
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:48:58pm |
Call from my mom who is 62: "I read Palin's book and she said a whole lot of nothing"
LOL
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:49:01pm |
re: #190 albusteve
why does it have to be replaced?
Oh, c'mon. Teachers should be unprotected like illegal Mexican day-laborers? The assistant vice principal drives down to the Teachers Corner by the Wal-Mart and picks up what he needs in the morning?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:49:52pm |
re: #194 TampaKnight
Call from my mom who is 62: "I read Palin's book and she said a whole lot of nothing"
LOL
You could write the gist on the palm of your hand.
Oh, wait...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:50:39pm |
re: #172 albusteve
tenure should be aboilshed...these insulated cliques in the education business are nothing but trouble...the NEA should be abolished too...there is no need for this near fanatical pursuit of tenure
hey, look, a talking point in the wild! Gotta catch 'em all!
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arethusa Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:51:00pm |
re: #187 freetoken
That tends, though, to not recognize past accomplishments.
"Tenure" can be justified, I think, on a couple of grounds, one of them being a sustained high quality output during the "career building" phase of the individual.
This is especially true in the sciences, where there is often a brief window of notable accomplishments, followed by a longer period of less output.
That's true - another justification for tenure is that it frees scholars to take longer, broader views of their work. Since they no longer have to worry about pleasing a P&T committee, they are now free to come up with their Great Idea. Many don't, however, and I do think a university has a right to demand a return in research output for tenure so that they can continue to attract students, particularly at R1 schools. Rolling contracts offer universities that guarantee.
I'm probably biased - I have simply seen too many intelligent people become mediocrities after getting tenure. And the fact that their positions are permanent means fewer chances for junior scholars.
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Ojoe Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:51:01pm |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
Q: Why is the infighting so vicious in academia?
A: Because the stakes are so low.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:51:10pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
Ending tenure gives more power to bureaucrats and administrators, and takes it away from the actual teachers.
Does anyone here think that the problem with education in this country is that the bureaucrats and administrators don't have enough power?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:51:34pm |
re: #193 Gus 802
It won't be replaced nor will the NEA go away.
Carry on with the "it's the liberal NEA unions fault" angle.
they are mandated to educate our children...after trillions of wasted dollars the public schools are a disgrace and our children are idiots....why does education reform loom at every election?...what are they even talking about?....getting our children to learn arithmetic or point to England on a map?...what's the NEA got to do with that or anything else concerning learning?
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:51:56pm |
re: #196 Cato the Elder
You could write the gist on the palm of your hand.
Oh, wait...
Energy
Budget cuts
Tax
Lift American Spirits
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:52:15pm |
re: #199 Ojoe
Q: Why is the infighting so vicious in academia?
A: Because the stakes are so low.
I believe it was Kissinger who said that.
He went for the high stakes, that's for sure.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:52:40pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
Oh, c'mon. Teachers should be unprotected like illegal Mexican day-laborers? The assistant vice principal drives down to the Teachers Corner by the Wal-Mart and picks up what he needs in the morning?
yes, of course....some homeless boob in a parking lot could do as well
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:53:20pm |
re: #157 TampaKnight
That's interesting about Vermont though...I took it for a very liberal state. I visit there often to my friends' cabin in Rutland, it's an amazing place.
Oregon is a reliably blue-voting state that loves it's guns. (mostly because so much of its population is Portland)
I am a very liberal person who owns guns.
(just one more reason the football team-ization of Liberal versus Conservative is foolish to me)
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:53:50pm |
re: #197 WindUpBird
hey, look, a talking point in the wild! Gotta catch 'em all!
hell yes, it's a talking point...is there a reason why it shouldn't be?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:54:00pm |
re: #199 Ojoe
Q: Why is the infighting so vicious in academia?
A: Because the stakes are so low.
ahahahahahahah I LOEd. It's so fucking true. I've seen flamewars in fandom over such insignificant silliness that lasted for months and nurtured grudges that lasted for years.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:54:27pm |
re: #206 WindUpBird
You know, if you held a pair of guns while wearing some metallic-looking bird getup, you could probably cross fur with robotch-cosplay.
And then we'd have to banish you to hell.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:55:48pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:56:46pm |
re: #190 albusteve
why does it have to be replaced?
Because it's easier for ideologues to take over one federal department than 15,000 individual school boards.
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:57:40pm |
Does anyone remember Glenn Beck on Headline News? Didn't he seem much more sane then?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:57:45pm |
re: #207 albusteve
hell yes, it's a talking point...is there a reason why it shouldn't be?
Look, someone went on a crazy rampage...so...let's se...thinking...got it! The logical root of of problem is TENURE AND THE NEA. One plus one equals a pineapple with butterfly wings!
If someone goes crazy and shoots a bunch of people because he was denied a promotion, would you abolish promotions? :D
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Dona Quixote Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:58:06pm |
re: #205 Dona Quixote
Woodrow Wilson I think...
Sorry Cato...we're both wrong...it's called Sayre's Law.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:58:44pm |
re: #212 TampaKnight
Does anyone remember Glenn Beck on Headline News? Didn't he seem much more sane then?
No..Was he a Clown in training back then?
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Gus Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:59:11pm |
re: #201 albusteve
they are mandated to educate our children...after trillions of wasted dollars the public schools are a disgrace and our children are idiots...why does education reform loom at every election?...what are they even talking about?...getting our children to learn arithmetic or point to England on a map?...what's the NEA got to do with that or anything else concerning learning?
Tea Party!
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TampaKnight Fri, Feb 12, 2010 4:59:20pm |
re: #215 HoosierHoops
No..Was he a Clown in training back then?
I just remember seeing him and he seemed calm and somewhat rational.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:00:17pm |
re: #209 Obdicut
You know, if you held a pair of guns while wearing some metallic-looking bird getup, you could probably cross fur with robotch-cosplay.
And then we'd have to banish you to hell.
I'M ALREADY HERE
:D
(And it's a cool notion! Personally, I'm less about the Japanese giant robots and more about the Mad Max. I am only slightly ashamed to admit that there's already a bit of furry/Macross crossover)
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:00:40pm |
OT: Bill Roggio reports that our troops in southern Iraq have clashed with Hezbollah, its own self.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:00:48pm |
re: #218 WindUpBird
We are now officially outside my comfort zone.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:00:49pm |
re: #217 TampaKnight
I just remember seeing him and he seemed calm and somewhat rational.
/oh thanks for reminding me! I need to take my meds now...
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:01:15pm |
re: #213 WindUpBird
Look, someone went on a crazy rampage...so...let's se...thinking...got it! The logical root of of problem is TENURE AND THE NEA. One plus one equals a pineapple with butterfly wings!
If someone goes crazy and shoots a bunch of people because he was denied a promotion, would you abolish promotions? :D
you are making things up again...not even a good try
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:02:07pm |
re: #209 Obdicut
You know, if you held a pair of guns while wearing some metallic-looking bird getup, you could probably cross fur with robotch-cosplay.
And then we'd have to banish you to hell.
I say that if he does something like that, he's already there.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:02:36pm |
Oh, the radio man says the Huntsville shooter was mad because she was denied tenure...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:02:38pm |
re: #212 TampaKnight
Does anyone remember Glenn Beck on Headline News? Didn't he seem much more sane then?
I remember Glenn Beck from his radio show in 1999, because he was occasionally subbing for Lionel. He seemed WAAAY more sane then. More of a snarky PJ O'Rourke conservative who was shameless ripping off Phil Hendrie's troll-the-callers-using-your-own-voice-as-the-guest schtick. Just taking Hendrie's whole show format wholesale and copying it.
Not crazy at all, just another imitator.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:02:40pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:02:46pm |
re: #218 WindUpBird
Ahhh! Ya beat me too it. :grumblegrumble:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:04:45pm |
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:06:34pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:12:13pm |
Congestion pricing to reduce car travel. Elimination of curbside parking. A carbon tax "of some kind," not to mention taxes on plastic and paper bags. Advocating vegetarianism and veganism, complete with "Meatless or Vegan Mondays." Those are just some of the proposals put forth by the Cambridge Climate Congress, an entity created in May 2009 to respond to the "climate emergency" plaguing the Massachusetts city.
hahaha!...what a bunch of boobs...do have any doubt thatey would make these proposals law if they could?....we're all gonna die!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Randall Gross Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:13:14pm |
I wonder if Amy was "low dosing" nitric oxide or something... it wouldn't be the first Neuroscience prof who experimented on themselves if so...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:13:27pm |
re: #16 Rightwingconspirator
Not the fault of Charles or his crack team, but that is a truly ill placed advertisement-From Google I presume for Glock products. Must be the key words but that kinds sucks.
We also attract ads for Muslim matchmaking sites. It is a keyword thing. Sometimes kind of weird results.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:15:17pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:15:43pm |
re: #35 Dona Quixote
Tenure is now hard to get. Universities now work people like dogs for everal years and then let them go. My husband is a professor (with tenure) and does the hiring for his dept. Competition is stiff.
I've seen some remarkable crap happen over tenure issues, but never anything worse than, say, branding the whole school's administration as racists.
This is surreal. I wonder if there was another stressor before this that contributed. A divorce, a death?
I suppose we'll find out.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:16:07pm |
re: #230 albusteve
Congestion pricing to reduce car travel. Elimination of curbside parking. A carbon tax "of some kind," not to mention taxes on plastic and paper bags. Advocating vegetarianism and veganism, complete with "Meatless or Vegan Mondays." Those are just some of the proposals put forth by the Cambridge Climate Congress, an entity created in May 2009 to respond to the "climate emergency" plaguing the Massachusetts city.
hahaha!...what a bunch of boobs...do have any doubt thatey would make these proposals law if they could?...we're all gonna die!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
the green police ad was not a parody, it was a prophecy...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:16:48pm |
re: #45 Racer X
Guns don't kill people any more than spoons make you fat.
Both of them speed up the process.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:16:57pm |
re: #230 albusteve
Congestion pricing to reduce car travel. Elimination of curbside parking. A carbon tax "of some kind," not to mention taxes on plastic and paper bags. Advocating vegetarianism and veganism, complete with "Meatless or Vegan Mondays." Those are just some of the proposals put forth by the Cambridge Climate Congress, an entity created in May 2009 to respond to the "climate emergency" plaguing the Massachusetts city.
hahaha!...what a bunch of boobs...do have any doubt thatey would make these proposals law if they could?...we're all gonna die!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Social engineering at its most idiotic. HOV lanes (the 1990s solution to traffic congestion) don't accomplish anything except to create empty lanes in the midst of morning and evening traffic jams, and massive resentment among all the drivers who don't have a passenger.
I get to use them because I have a service dog, though. Well, actually, I haven't tested that theory yet (read: I haven't been stopped), but it's only a matter of time.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:17:17pm |
re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist
We also attract ads for Muslim matchmaking sites. It is a keyword thing. Sometimes kind of weird results.
In that case...Smoking Hot Hawaiian Girls!
And for you SFZ.. George Clooney
*wink*
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jaunte Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:18:13pm |
re: #230 albusteve
Won't the climate just slide on over from somewhere else that doesn't have the same rules?
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:18:37pm |
re: #238 HoosierHoops
In that case...Smoking Hot Hawaiian Girls!
And for you SFZ.. George Clooney
*wink*
I wish that whatever summons the diet add with the blobby pulsating bikini chick would go away. Maybe it's the LGF cookbook...
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:19:00pm |
re: #237 Cato the Elder
Social engineering at its most idiotic. HOV lanes (the 1990s solution to traffic congestion) don't accomplish anything except to create empty lanes in the midst of morning and evening traffic jams, and massive resentment among all the drivers who don't have a passenger.
I get to use them because I have a service dog, though. Well, actually, I haven't tested that theory yet (read: I haven't been stopped), but it's only a matter of time.
''
I'm sure if they do, they will wish they hadn't
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:19:52pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
Oh, c'mon. Teachers should be unprotected like illegal Mexican day-laborers? The assistant vice principal drives down to the Teachers Corner by the Wal-Mart and picks up what he needs in the morning?
There's actually some merit to the idea.
A few years ago, our elementary school had a day where parents came in for an hour and gave presentations on what they did. Bankers, engineers, software designers, artists - the whole spectrum of jobs was well represented. The parents loved it, and so did the kids.
The teachers hated it, because the kids were enthralled and spent the next several days making references to what they had learned from their parents and those of the other kids. The following year, the teacher's union shut it down, citing a clause in their contract that forbids anyone "non-certified" from teaching, even for a moment.
In a region filled with retired automotive engineers (among many other professions) and one fighting massive illiteracy and few opportunities for high school and even college graduates, one would think that tapping into the existing base of knowledge would be a welcome resource. No such luck. They won't let a retired engineer anywhere near the kids, because the teachers don't like to be upstaged.
I think a trip down to the retirement hall, if not Wal-Mart, to bus in expertise to present to the children may not be such a bad idea.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:19:55pm |
re: #71 Cato the Elder
Those eyes. They look...unrepentant.
She looks...ordinary.
And unrepentant, yes.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:20:06pm |
re: #239 jaunte
Won't the climate just slide on over from somewhere else that doesn't have the same rules?
don't know...let's study it!....cha ching!
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:21:00pm |
re: #183 Cato the Elder
In Massachusetts you now need a permit to buy ammo. In Vermont you don't need a permit to buy or carry a gun.
Guess which state I'd like to live in permanently?
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:21:17pm |
re: #242 SixDegrees
There's actually some merit to the idea.
A few years ago, our elementary school had a day where parents came in for an hour and gave presentations on what they did. Bankers, engineers, software designers, artists - the whole spectrum of jobs was well represented. The parents loved it, and so did the kids.
The teachers hated it, because the kids were enthralled and spent the next several days making references to what they had learned from their parents and those of the other kids. The following year, the teacher's union shut it down, citing a clause in their contract that forbids anyone "non-certified" from teaching, even for a moment.
In a region filled with retired automotive engineers (among many other professions) and one fighting massive illiteracy and few opportunities for high school and even college graduates, one would think that tapping into the existing base of knowledge would be a welcome resource. No such luck. They won't let a retired engineer anywhere near the kids, because the teachers don't like to be upstaged.
I think a trip down to the retirement hall, if not Wal-Mart, to bus in expertise to present to the children may not be such a bad idea.
We did that. Then we were sent out with our parent for the day.
He took me out to lunch.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:21:18pm |
re: #75 palomino
Exactly. Being killed by a spoon would actually be an excruciatingly painful way to die, just because it would take so long. I'd rather be killed by a plastic cup.
"I could only afford this Whiffle bat. This may take a while."
WHACK. "Ouch! Stop that!"
...
"There's nothing you can do, guys. Kyle will be dead in two, possible three, hours."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:21:52pm |
re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist
Lady Macbeth.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:22:20pm |
re: #93 PhillyPretzel
Psych Defense? possible. Could also be biological?
Brain tumor or somesuch, you mean?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:23:11pm |
re: #100 ausador
Just a few weeks ago there was one in Tennessee where a teacher denied tenure shot both the principals at his school. Seems it might be spreading...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Economy's terrible. People will do insane things in defense of their jobs.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:23:17pm |
re: #241 albusteve
''
I'm sure if they do, they will wish they hadn't
So, Steve: If I were to boogie off to NM, how long will you let me roost at the bunkhouse before I have to boogie off to my own meth shack?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:24:33pm |
front page story in the ABQ Journal...the state Senate is writing legislation to tax "non nutritional foods"....this includes various drinks, condiments, sweets and even white breads (the cheapest) and....tortillas!...that's gonna be popular out here...this sort of tax intrusion is unacceptable to me....taxing tortillas again in NM is proof of insanity right there
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:25:04pm |
re: #130 sattv4u2
I guess on or about January 1985 I must have been "unstable" because I talked about (and soon got) a permit in Massachusetts!
But you didn't then commit three murders. The timing suggests that she was already thinking about this. I doubt she purchased a weapon for some normal reason and then snapped almost immediately.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:25:31pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:26:07pm |
re: #251 Cato the Elder
So, Steve: If I were to boogie off to NM, how long will you let me roost at the bunkhouse before I have to boogie off to my own meth shack?
as long as you want to...it's rustic but I love it that way
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:26:13pm |
re: #157 TampaKnight
That's interesting about Vermont though...I took it for a very liberal state. I visit there often to my friends' cabin in Rutland, it's an amazing place.
New Englanders are independent as hell.
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Randall Gross Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:26:59pm |
Thunderf00t playing with fire
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jaunte Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:27:26pm |
re: #252 albusteve
front page story in the ABQ Journal...the state Senate is writing legislation to tax "non nutritional foods"...this includes various drinks, condiments, sweets and even white breads (the cheapest) and...tortillas!...that's gonna be popular out here...this sort of tax intrusion is unacceptable to me...taxing tortillas again in NM is proof of insanity right there
Wacky taxes:
-- White flour and tortillas made of it will be taxed, but whole wheat tortillas will remain tax free.
-- No tax will apply to whole grain breads, but white bread will be taxed.
-- Peanut butter will be tax-exempt but not jelly or jam.
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:27:28pm |
re: #254 brookly red
Alabama has the death penalty...
And an Attorney General who has made his fondness for it the centerpiece of his campaign.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:27:54pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
Oh, c'mon. Teachers should be unprotected like illegal Mexican day-laborers? The assistant vice principal drives down to the Teachers Corner by the Wal-Mart and picks up what he needs in the morning?
I know some principals who would like nothing better.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:27:55pm |
I hereby predict that campus security will be present at all future meetings in which someone is going to be denied tenure.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:28:24pm |
re: #255 albusteve
as long as you want to...it's rustic but I love it that way
OK, dude. I'll pick up Walter on the way and we'll have a lizard barbecue.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:28:27pm |
re: #199 Ojoe
Q: Why is the infighting so vicious in academia?
A: Because the stakes are so low.
Status and money are worth killing for. Always have been.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:29:05pm |
re: #252 albusteve
front page story in the ABQ Journal...the state Senate is writing legislation to tax "non nutritional foods"...this includes various drinks, condiments, sweets and even white breads (the cheapest) and...tortillas!...that's gonna be popular out here...this sort of tax intrusion is unacceptable to me...taxing tortillas again in NM is proof of insanity right there
We had a snack tax in California that had the objective of slapping sales tax on food that was bad for you since food is exempt from sales tax.
Not sure if we still have it, but it isn't like taxing it kept people from consuming it. Nor did it help make California any more fiscally sound. If they get $3 more dollars in taxes they figure they can allocate $10 more in the budget.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:29:28pm |
re: #259 Decatur Deb
And an Attorney General who has made his fondness for it the centerpiece of his campaign.
I an still on the fence about the death penalty, but I have the feeling this is the kind of case it was intended for. I could be wrong.
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kellygrrrl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:29:36pm |
she "snapped when she learned she would not be receiving tenure"
Who carries a firearm to a staff meeting?
Wonder if anyone else knew she was "going prepared"
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:30:17pm |
Germany solved the "excess plastic shopping bag" problem thirty or more years ago without a stupid tax.
They just made people pay five pfennigs per bag at checkout.
Nobody but nobody in Germany goes to the grocery store without their own bags or baskets.
Why does it always have to be a fucking tax?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:30:21pm |
re: #262 Cato the Elder
OK, dude. I'll pick up Walter on the way and we'll have a lizard barbecue.
we will...I'm ready anytime, but Walter may have to sleep in the barn in that case...I won't share my bunk with him
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:30:26pm |
So the term in the 90s was "going postal".
Will there be a "going tenure committee" introduced into our culture?
Stay tuned.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:30:41pm |
re: #261 EmmmieG
I hereby predict that campus security will be present at all future meetings in which someone is going to be denied tenure.
is the Huntsville Campus a gun free zone? just asking...
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:30:44pm |
re: #252 albusteve
front page story in the ABQ Journal...the state Senate is writing legislation to tax "non nutritional foods"...this includes various drinks, condiments, sweets and even white breads (the cheapest) and...tortillas!...that's gonna be popular out here...this sort of tax intrusion is unacceptable to me...taxing tortillas again in NM is proof of insanity right there
Nacho rebellion!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:31:07pm |
re: #268 albusteve
we will...I'm ready anytime, but Walter may have to sleep in the barn in that case...I won't share my bunk with him
I know...Colorado cooties.
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kellygrrrl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:31:29pm |
In other crazy gun news ... a 22 y/o Ohio woman survived a stray bullet when her Blackberry in her pocket stopped it from blowing up her @ss
her boyfriend was putting on his coat when he realized the slide was back on his gun
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:31:36pm |
re: #264 karmic_inquisitor
We had a snack tax in California that had the objective of slapping sales tax on food that was bad for you since food is exempt from sales tax.
Not sure if we still have it, but it isn't like taxing it kept people from consuming it. Nor did it help make California any more fiscally sound. If they get $3 more dollars in taxes they figure they can allocate $10 more in the budget.
and you wonder why I want my own Abrams tank
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:31:41pm |
re: #267 Cato the Elder
Germany solved the "excess plastic shopping bag" problem thirty or more years ago without a stupid tax.
They just made people pay five pfennigs per bag at checkout.
Nobody but nobody in Germany goes to the grocery store without their own bags or baskets.
Why does it always have to be a fucking tax?
I've got my own shopping bags. I bring 'em in to the grocery store with me every time I go.
They are MUCH better than the plastic ones.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:03pm |
re: #265 brookly red
I an still on the fence about the death penalty, but I have the feeling this is the kind of case it was intended for. I could be wrong.
It doesn't have the elements that create real outrage (kids, celebrity, sex, religion, politics).
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:05pm |
re: #248 EmmmieG
Lady Macbeth.
Maybe something to that.
I don't think I got Macbeth in high school. He makes more sense as I get closer to forty--the realization that the whole world is really not your oyster, and you could lose, lose big...
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:05pm |
re: #251 Cato the Elder
So, Steve: If I were to boogie off to NM, how long will you let me roost at the bunkhouse before I have to boogie off to my own meth shack?
I see a whole new version of The Odd Couple.
I know Neil Semon's writing doesn't have the reputation for holding its own through the ages, but I've had some out-in-the aisle laughter at a few of his plays.
I can see a variation of this playing out in the Steve/Cato adaptation:
Oscar Madison: I can't take it anymore, Felix, I'm cracking up. Everything you do irritates me. And when you're not here, the things I know you're gonna do when you come in irritate me. You leave me little notes on my pillow. Told you 158 times I can't stand little notes on my pillow. "We're all out of cornflakes. F.U." Took me three hours to figure out F.U. was Felix Ungar!
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Fart Knocker Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:10pm |
Let's play a game.
Let's say you conducted a poll with a fellow news organization. The poll found that the president's approval rating had fallen to 46 percent. The poll found that 56 percent of respondents did not believe the president had a plan to create jobs. The poll found that majorities disapprove of the president's handling of the economy, the deficit, and his signature initiative, comprehensive health reform. Moreover, the poll found that "fewer than one in ten Americans say members of Congress deserve reelection."
Would you title the article describing the poll results "Obama Has Edge Over G.O.P. Among the Public"? Because that's what the New York Times did.
Incidentally, you have to read to the end of the fifth paragraph to discover that Obama's approval rating is "as low it has been since he took office."
SNIP
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kellygrrrl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:19pm |
re: #269 karmic_inquisitor
how about "Going Uni."
many times it's a student shooter, so we can't narrow the term to faculty
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:49pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:50pm |
re: #252 albusteve
front page story in the ABQ Journal...the state Senate is writing legislation to tax "non nutritional foods"...this includes various drinks, condiments, sweets and even white breads (the cheapest) and...tortillas!...that's gonna be popular out here...this sort of tax intrusion is unacceptable to me...taxing tortillas again in NM is proof of insanity right there
How on earth have they decided that tortillas are non-nutritional foods?
Tortillas are life.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:32:59pm |
re: #276 Decatur Deb
It doesn't have the elements that create real outrage (kids, celebrity, sex, religion, politics).
well what about equal rights...
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kellygrrrl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:33:27pm |
maybe this is why all the fundies and wingers are Anti-Higher-Education ...
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:33:47pm |
re: #267 Cato the Elder
about 10 years ago I took a bunch of Italian violin makers to an American grocery store. It was one of those rural super-Wall Mart type places. They were chocked by two things 1) we bought about 20 items which were bagged in 12 plastic bags. 2) There was a sporting goods section that sold guns.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:34:15pm |
re: #266 kellygrrrl
she "snapped when she learned she would not be receiving tenure"
Who carries a firearm to a staff meeting?
Wonder if anyone else knew she was "going prepared"
She probably already knew they were going to deny.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:34:34pm |
The Olympics are the best games humans give to the world..
I'll never forget seeing the Torch pass by me on Soscal Street in Napa...
It was 5am.. Dark and I got up early with my gas station coffee just waiting...
In the distance I saw the lights of the police cars moving so slowly towards me.. It seemed to take forever.. Finally the torch runner passed by me silently in the early morning.. I was so moved ..Tears just came to my eyes..I can't explain it.. It was such a powerful moment I never saw coming.. I just gushed tears and starting clapping.. There are very few moments in your life that something like that happens..Just pure pride and emotions overcoming you...
Then I got in my car and drove to work.. My life changed forever...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:35:05pm |
re: #274 albusteve
and you wonder why I want my own Abrams tank
How many bags of tortillas can you carry home in an Abrams tank?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:35:30pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:35:30pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
How on earth have they decided that tortillas are non-nutritional foods?
Tortillas are life.
Santa Fe uppity snootsters.... half are from elswhere and don't know shit about tortillas
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kellygrrrl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:35:52pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
flour torts are pure lard (at least the good ones)
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:35:56pm |
re: #261 EmmmieG
I hereby predict that campus security will be present at all future meetings in which someone is going to be denied tenure.
That will be your first clue when you see the tanks parked outside the building. Take it as a 'No' and move on.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:36:13pm |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
about 10 years ago I took a bunch of Italian violin makers to an American grocery store. It was one of those rural super-Wall Mart type places. They were chocked by two things 1) we bought about 20 items which were bagged in 12 plastic bags. 2) There was a sporting goods section that sold guns.
/that's it! plastic bags cause homicidal urges... I bet you could get a grant to study that theory. (I get a cut)
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:36:14pm |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
about 10 years ago I took a bunch of Italian violin makers to an American grocery store. It was one of those rural super-Wall Mart type places. They were chocked by two things 1) we bought about 20 items which were bagged in 12 plastic bags. 2) There was a sporting goods section that sold guns.
We have an Italian priest visiting the school at the moment. He seems most shocked that the freshmen do not learn any Dante.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:36:25pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
How many bags of tortillas can you carry home in an Abrams tank?
all I want...heh
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:36:44pm |
re: #290 albusteve
Santa Fe uppity snootsters... half are from elswhere and don't know shit about tortillas
Well, heck.
That's a staple food.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:36:45pm |
re: #287 HoosierHoops
When I went to Napa I was taken by how small some of the major wineries are. Big companies like Charles Shaw (or whatever) looked like they were only 30 acres. Are some of those wineries just a front for larger operations elsewhere?
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:37:33pm |
re: #289 Decatur Deb
Well, if she only shot geneticists...
/so it is true women only earn 70% of the sentences that men do?
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kellygrrrl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:37:42pm |
re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just guessing but it wouldn't shock me to learn that her hubby might have known she knew -- his statements to that regard will prove intent and pre-meditation
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:39:45pm |
re: #294 SanFranciscoZionist
We have an Italian priest visiting the school at the moment. He seems most shocked that the freshmen do not learn any Dante.
I took my kids to visit Dante's tomb in Ravenna. The streets approaching it are marked "Silence Zone" (including talking) and there are carabinieri to enforce it.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:40:49pm |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
When I went to Napa I was taken by how small some of the major wineries are. Big companies like Charles Shaw (or whatever) looked like they were only 30 acres. Are some of those wineries just a front for larger operations elsewhere?
Oh hi bro...It's a farming community.. You buy for your Winery grapes from Napa and Sonoma farmers....They dump the best grapes in the world at your door for a price...It's what you do with the grapes that make you stand out in the Valley..
Kind Regards KT
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:41:04pm |
re: #294 SanFranciscoZionist
We have an Italian priest visiting the school at the moment. He seems most shocked that the freshmen do not learn any Dante.
Well it is shocking. Kids in America learn about Nostradamus from teevee, but how many know that Dante predicted the frozen inferno that is Baltimore at this moment?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:41:09pm |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
When I went to Napa I was taken by how small some of the major wineries are. Big companies like Charles Shaw (or whatever) looked like they were only 30 acres. Are some of those wineries just a front for larger operations elsewhere?
wineries in NM grow their grapes all over the place...it's amazing the wine business down here along the river...world class stuff
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:41:10pm |
re: #300 Decatur Deb
I took my kids to visit Dante's tomb in Ravenna. The streets approaching it are marked "Silence Zone" (including talking) and there are carabinieri to enforce it.
what is the penalty for speaking?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:41:33pm |
re: #298 brookly red
/so it is true women only earn 70% of the sentences that men do?
the weaker sex?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:41:48pm |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
When I went to Napa I was taken by how small some of the major wineries are. Big companies like Charles Shaw (or whatever) looked like they were only 30 acres. Are some of those wineries just a front for larger operations elsewhere?
Yes. And those aren't grapes they're putting in the stomping vats.
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ryannon Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:42:00pm |
re: #100 ausador
Just a few weeks ago there was one in Tennessee where a teacher denied tenure shot both the principals at his school. Seems it might be spreading...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Going Postal, meet Tenure Tantrums...
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:42:31pm |
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:42:40pm |
Sorry for misspelling your name, Neil Simon.
I couldn't let that stand since I gave him a somewhat backhanded compliment.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:43:03pm |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
about 10 years ago I took a bunch of Italian violin makers to an American grocery store. It was one of those rural super-Wall Mart type places. They were chocked by two things 1) we bought about 20 items which were bagged in 12 plastic bags. 2) There was a sporting goods section that sold guns.
You should have taken them to L.L. Bean, where you can not only get guns but body bags.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:43:32pm |
re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist
She probably already knew they were going to deny.
Ya think?
Body language tipped her off days before.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:44:05pm |
re: #310 Cato the Elder
You should have taken them to L.L. Bean, where you can not only get guns but body bags.
haha!, one stop shopping!
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:44:27pm |
re: #305 albusteve
the weaker sex?
the trigger pull is measured in ounces...
I guess that why they don't pick me for juries...
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:44:33pm |
re: #304 brookly red
what is the penalty for speaking?
Probably a ticket, or an escort out of the zone. Ravenna also had traffic signs of a girl leaning against a lamp post, put up after too many working girls were hit while chatting up motorists.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:44:57pm |
re: #301 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops!
Someone told me you were looking to get in touch with me.
My nick is blue.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:44:59pm |
re: #313 brookly red
the trigger pull is measured in ounces...
I guess that why they don't pick me for juries...
God created 'em male and female.
Sam Colt made 'em equal.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:45:28pm |
re: #314 Decatur Deb
Probably a ticket, or an escort out of the zone. Ravenna also had traffic signs of a girl leaning against a lamp post, put up after too many working girls were hit while chatting up motorists.
Well, that was thoughty of them, as my grandmother used to say.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:46:05pm |
re: #306 Cato the Elder
Yes. And those aren't grapes they're putting in the stomping vats.
Don't trash Napa Valley Cato...My family and friends live there...
I'll go all snobby on your ass!
*wink*
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:47:08pm |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
God created 'em male and female.
Sam Colt made 'em equal.
ahhhh...Sam, you nut
Image: ks030107c1.jpg
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:47:26pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:48:36pm |
ROY BEAN for PRESIDENT!
(vote early and often!)
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:48:53pm |
re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, that was thoughty of them, as my grandmother used to say.
The local slang for the girls is "luccciole", "fireflies". I like a place that respects its poets and trollops.
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:49:33pm |
re: #279 rwdflynavy
Let's play a game.
Let's say you conducted a poll with a fellow news organization. The poll found that the president's approval rating had fallen to 46 percent. The poll found that 56 percent of respondents did not believe the president had a plan to create jobs. The poll found that majorities disapprove of the president's handling of the economy, the deficit, and his signature initiative, comprehensive health reform. Moreover, the poll found that "fewer than one in ten Americans say members of Congress deserve reelection."
Would you title the article describing the poll results "Obama Has Edge Over G.O.P. Among the Public"? Because that's what the New York Times did.
Incidentally, you have to read to the end of the fifth paragraph to discover that Obama's approval rating is "as low it has been since he took office."SNIP
Where was all that sweetness and light prior to 2009?
The NYT hums a new tune--
Grab your coat and snatch your hat, leave your worries on the doorstep.
Just direct your feet to the sunny side of the street.
Can't you hear that pitter pat and that happy tune in your step.
Life can be so sweet on the sunny side of the street.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:50:16pm |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
God created 'em male and female.
Sam Colt made 'em equal.
you know here in NYC where carry permits are as rare as honest politicians I do find that most of the out spoken pro-gunners are women... funny that.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:50:47pm |
re: #312 albusteve
haha!, one stop shopping!
The flagship L.L. Bean store in Freeport, Maine, is an experience. Open 24/7 (one of the first stores ever to do that), and with stuff on hand to send you off for an assault on Everest the next day, if you so desire.
Plus, they have an absolute lifetime satisfaction guarantee on anything they sell. You don't even need a receipt in most cases. They'll trust you.
Which in effect means if the GPS unit I bought on sale there last summer ever stops working, or even just irritates me, I can take it back and get a new one, no questions asked, with the full original purchase price applied to the upgrade.
A true American phenomenon.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:51:46pm |
re: #314 Decatur Deb
Probably a ticket, or an escort out of the zone. Ravenna also had traffic signs of a girl leaning against a lamp post, put up after too many working girls were hit while chatting up motorists.
My kinda town.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:52:31pm |
re: #325 Cato the Elder
Been there bro...
Awesome store
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:54:03pm |
Since I watched a bunch of videos of Charles today playing music..I'm moving upstairs...See ya there
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:54:49pm |
re: #323 Silvergirl
Where was all that sweetness and light prior to 2009?
The NYT hums a new tune--
Grab your coat and snatch your hat, leave your worries on the doorstep.
Just direct your feet to the sunny side of the street.
Can't you hear that pitter pat and that happy tune in your step.
Life can be so sweet on the sunny side of the street.
phuc the NYT...
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:55:04pm |
re: #325 Cato the Elder
The flagship L.L. Bean store in Freeport, Maine, is an experience. Open 24/7 (one of the first stores ever to do that), and with stuff on hand to send you off for an assault on Everest the next day, if you so desire.
Plus, they have an absolute lifetime satisfaction guarantee on anything they sell. You don't even need a receipt in most cases. They'll trust you.
Which in effect means if the GPS unit I bought on sale there last summer ever stops working, or even just irritates me, I can take it back and get a new one, no questions asked, with the full original purchase price applied to the upgrade.
A true American phenomenon.
60 Min did a gig on LL Bean years back...some old guy kept turning in his torn up old boondockers....every few years...said they weren't worth shit and wanted some new ones and of course the company complied...he was well known to the CEO and somewhat of a minor legend, but he always got his new boots
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:56:46pm |
I have done tons of business over the years with LL Bean btw
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 12, 2010 5:59:47pm |
re: #330 albusteve
60 Min did a gig on LL Bean years back...some old guy kept turning in his torn up old boondockers...every few years...said they weren't worth shit and wanted some new ones and of course the company complied...he was well known to the CEO and somewhat of a minor legend, but he always got his new boots
Reminds me of a story I saw somewhere about this granny with a 1960s car that has some incredible number of miles, like over 500,000 or something.
One of her tricks was to buy batteries and tires with lifetime warranties. No one thought she or the car would live long enough to worry about replacements.
She hasn't paid for a new battery or tire in decades.
And she totes a gun on her road trips. Permitted, registered, signed, sealed, delivered. In the glove box.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:02:04pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
How many bags of tortillas can you carry home in an Abrams tank?
Abrams tanks come with a built in tortilla maker. Home is where you park it.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:04:25pm |
re: #333 goddamnedfrank
Abrams tanks come with a built in tortilla maker. Home is where you park it.
well an Abrams can make a Prius into a tortilla, but I don't wanna eat it...
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:06:10pm |
re: #333 goddamnedfrank
Abrams tanks come with a built in tortilla maker. Home is where you park it.
They come with this, called a "combat crockpot".
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:08:04pm |
re: #335 Decatur Deb
They come with this, called a "combat crockpot".
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
so why is the starting bid 29.95 on e-bay and the pentagon pays 6 grand...
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:10:38pm |
re: #336 brookly red
so why is the starting bid 29.95 on e-bay and the pentagon pays 6 grand...
EBay doesn't have to include the cost of contractor-friendly congessmen.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:12:23pm |
re: #337 Decatur Deb
EBay doesn't have to include the cost of contractor-friendly congessmen.
I want to check if my congress-whore is on e-bay... but I am scared to find out.
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Kruk Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:16:15pm |
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:16:17pm |
re: #338 brookly red
I want to check if my congress-whore is on e-bay... but I am scared to find out.
omg I just checked e-bay and it seems that Chuck Schumer is a free mason?? wtf?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:17:21pm |
re: #337 Decatur Deb
EBay doesn't have to include the cost of contractor-friendly congessmen.
presto bingo
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:21:45pm |
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Kruk Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:28:13pm |
re: #283 brookly red
well what about equal rights...
Sad to say, still a long way away in capital punishment cases.
[Link: graphics8.nytimes.com...]
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tradewind Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:29:00pm |
What a tragedy in HSV.
Harvard - educated neuro prof, huh....
It'll take take some creative twisting to connect this one to tea party extremism, but give the MSM a little time......
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:32:36pm |
re: #344 tradewind
What a tragedy in HSV.
Harvard - educated neuro prof, huh...
It'll take take some creative twisting to connect this one to tea party extremism, but give the MSM a little time...
the short term fix is global warming...
now when they can link global warming to all that tea brewing, look out!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:35:10pm |
re: #344 tradewind
School shootings usually go straight into the "blame the video game industry" MSM bin. Doubt that will happen with this one.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:37:13pm |
re: #346 Slumbering Behemoth
School shootings usually go straight into the "blame the video game industry" MSM bin. Doubt that will happen with this one.
I remember when Bob Dole took so much flack for saying the root cause of crime is criminals...
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tradewind Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:38:27pm |
re: #345 brookly red
Here's how they'll do it.... they'll go ahead and run the headline...
TEA** party murderer in AL...then in teensy letters underneath...
(**Tenure Eluded A-hole)
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tradewind Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:39:33pm |
re: #346 Slumbering Behemoth
It's time to pile on the Northeastern academic elites.//
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:43:17pm |
re: #347 brookly red
I remember when Bob Dole took so much flack for saying the root cause of crime is criminals...
Hmmmm... could the report on the the terrorist threat posed by non-union worker be far behind?
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:44:47pm |
re: #350 brookly red
Hmmm... could the report on the the terrorist threat posed by non-union worker be far behind?
Not if Employee Free Choice Act passes, they'll have no reason to terrorize.///
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:47:08pm |
re: #352 Mosh
Not if Employee Free Choice Act passes, they'll have no reason to terrorize.///
how insane is it that we have come to this?
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:48:34pm |
re: #353 brookly red
how insane is it that we have come to this?
Big Labor and the Tea Partyers are pulling both Parties to the Fringe. Ugh. Thank God I'm an Independent.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:50:12pm |
re: #354 Mosh
Big Labor and the Tea Partyers are pulling both Parties to the Fringe. Ugh. Thank God I'm an Independent.
I know how you feel. There's too much crazy afoot these days.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:50:33pm |
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:51:08pm |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
I know how you feel. There's too much crazy afoot these days.
That NLRB nominee, Craig Becker was a menace. Thank God that there's the Party of No and Ben "Free Medicaid for Nebraska" Nelson!
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:51:58pm |
re: #354 Mosh
Big Labor and the Tea Partyers are pulling both Parties to the Fringe. Ugh. Thank God I'm an Independent.
Well the first step is to admit there is a problem... and when I look around I see a lot of denial.
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:53:41pm |
re: #358 brookly red
Well the first step is to admit there is a problem... and when I look around I see a lot of denial.
True, true not false. Climate denial, deficit denial, etc.
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brookly red Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:56:27pm |
re: #359 Mosh
True, true not false. Climate denial, deficit denial, etc.
denial denial is the worst of all... I predict anger to manifest all around.
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Mosh Fri, Feb 12, 2010 6:58:08pm |
re: #360 brookly red
I'm going over to the Hate Crimes thread. Come on over Brookly!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:02:20pm |
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Civil sam Sun, Feb 14, 2010 10:47:05pm |
re: #3 Cato the Elder
OK, taking bets here: sudden hijab syndrome or Sarah Palin fan?
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