Ron Paul Fans Post Tributes to Rabid Antisemite

This month, the two main Ron Paul-related websites (“Campaign for Liberty” and “The Daily Paul”) both published eulogies for author Eustace Mullins, who recently died at the age of 86. The Daily Paul’s version: Eustace Mullins Passes On.

Legendary author of scores of books and pamphlets demolishing the lies of warmaking mainstream media, historian Eustace Mullins died Tuesday, Feb. 2, at the home of his caretaker in a small town in Texas.

“He was absolutely BRILLIANT in his research, writing and verbal presentations, and as honest a man and scholar as our country has ever produced. In all the interviews I had the great honor of doing with Eustace, he never ceased to amaze me…and to teach all of us critically-important truths about our world and the evil, satanic group that is and has been dominating it for far too long. HIs knowledge and wisdom about the controllers was simply astonishing.” said Jeff Rense.

Mullins, who would have been 87 in March, suffered a stroke three weeks ago in Columbus, Ohio. He had been on an extended tour of his admirers for much of the past year, visiting and chatting with many of his thousands of fans who jumped at the chance to buy his books from him in person.

The author of such incendiary books as “Secrets of the Federal Reserve, “Murder by Injection, and “The Curse of Canaan, Mullins was harrassed by the FBI for almost a half century, and had one of his books burned in Germany in the 1950s. These stories are recounted in one of his books, “A Writ for Martyrs.

A protege of the imprisoned patriotic poet Ezra Pound, Mullins compiled a well-researched raft of works that detailed the passage down through time of a hereditary group of banker killers who have essentially ruled the world from behind the scenes since ancient times.

“Eustace Mullins was the greatest political historian of the 20th century, and not just because he was not beholden to the power structure that deters candid reports about significant events, but because, guided by the greatest poet of the 20th century who was imprisoned for broadcasting for peace, his meticulous research eventually uncovered virtually every significant political secret of the last 400 years. “It, is a pity so many people are afraid to believe what Mullins told them, because it was much more of the truth than has ever been seen in our schools or our media.

Funeral arrangements and appropriate memorial information have yet to be released.

Eustace Mullins, the man these Ron Paul followers are celebrating, was an associate of Holocaust denier Willis Carto and a notorious antisemite himself, who wrote a book (oddly enough, not mentioned in this tribute) titled “The Biological Jew,” containing statements such as: “Nazism is simply this — a proposal that the German people rid themselves of the parasitic Jews. The gentile host dared to protest against the continued presence of the parasite, and attempted to throw it off.”

Mullins also claimed that Jews “drink the blood of innocent gentile children” in religious ceremonies, and was a guest on the white nationalist radio show “The Political Cesspool.”

Campaign For Liberty, one of the main US sponsors of tea party protests, had a shorter tribute to Mullins posted at their blog: Today we morn [sic] the passage of Eustace Mullins.

Eustace Mullins was a great autor [sic] and told the truth about the Federal Reseve [sic], the Constitution, Liberty and American History. A man who had a book burned in Europe, was fired from the Library fof [sic] Congress for ploitical [sic] reasons had to be on the right track. He will be missed.

This post drew a mild request that the author include a disclaimer distancing the Campaign for Liberty from the antisemitic bad craziness of “The Biological Jew,” because it’s “not a fair assessment.”

MarkinOregon
Medford, OR

Hi Craig,
While he may have done a great job on his work the Secrets of the Federal Reserve, you might want to put a disclaimer against supporting his work The Biological Jew. Liberty campaigners do not endorse looking at people in general groups as his book on Jews seems to. Remember Austrian economics was created by Jews and the idea that they are all socialists or biologically controlled towards leftist thought is not a fair assessment at all.

Maybe it’s just me, but when someone says that Jews drink the blood of gentile children, I could not possibly care less about his opinions on the Federal Reserve.

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1 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:38:36pm

Scratch a Paulian, find a bigot.

Ho-hum!

By the way, the Willis Carto referenced above spun off his group “Liberty Lobby” because the JBS, in the founding of which he was instrumental, permitted JEws and other undesirables to join.

2 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:40:19pm

“Banker killers” has to be the most awkwardly worded name for a group of evil villains ever…

(More serious opinions to follow once I read the entire thing…)

3 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:40:41pm
4 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:41:09pm

re: #3 MandyManners

The Illuminati Bloodline of the Rotschilds?

Got it in one! The whole “Black Nobility” stuff.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:41:51pm

I hate Paulian Nazis! I hope this man sincerely repented of his wicked deeds before he died, because if he did not then then he’s been sent to Hell. Hopefully he saw the light before he died.

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:42:59pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

“Banker killers” has to be the most awkwardly worded name for a group of evil villains ever…

(More serious opinions to follow once I read the entire thing…)

That is the name my son chose for his garage rock band, after learning that “Youngsters of Zion” and “The Illuminaughty” were already taken.

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:43:00pm

re: #4 Guanxi88

Got it in one! The whole “Black Nobility” stuff.

As I recall, the “Black Nobility” were Italian Nobles who swore their primary allegiance to the Pope.

8 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:43:40pm

re: #6 Alouette

That is the name my son chose for his garage rock band, after learning that “Youngsters of Zion” and “The Illuminaughty” were already taken.

He can have the one I came up with for my Rock Band 2 Group if he wants

“Furious Rust”

9 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:43:46pm

re: #4 Guanxi88

Got it in one! The whole “Black Nobility” stuff.

A little feverish background on them:
illuminati-news.com
The most powerful of the Black Nobility families are located in Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Britain, Holland and Greece in that order. Their roots may be traced back to the Venetian oligarchs, who are of Khazar extraction, and married into these royal houses in the early part of the twelfth century. (Following a great Khazar victory over the Arabs, the future Emperor, Constantine V, married a Khazar princess and their son became Emperor Leo IV, also known as “Leo the Khazar”. The Medecci popes, and Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) were Khazars, as is the present Pope, John Paul II. Not all Black Nobility are royal houses, and many of the royal families no longer have kingdoms. According to researcher and author Dr. John Coleman, a “Committee of 300” was established early in the eighteenth century, “although it did not take on its present form until around 1897”, (when the China opium trade was legalised)

Documentary proof as to the existence of the Committee of 300 is not forthcoming, and it may be no more than a convenient phrase to describe certain key players. Socialist politician and financial adviser to the Rothschilds, Walter Rathenau, writing in the Wiener Press (24 December, 1921) said, “Only 300 men, each of whom knows all others govern the fate of Europe. They select their successors from their own entourage. These men have the means in their hands of putting an end to the form of State which they find unreasonable.” Exactly six months after publication, Rathenau was assassinated.

10 darthstar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:44:08pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I don’t believe in hell, but if there is some kind of justice for people in the afterlife, may Mullins find himself dancing in an eternal Hora.

11 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:44:13pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

As I recall, the “Black Nobility” were Italian Nobles who swore their primary allegiance to the Pope.

They were, but the name was so cool, it got co-opted to describe suppose illuminist manipulators.

12 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:45:41pm

I have a graphic of James de Rothschild on my website, which some Larouchian/Paultard/Troofer hotlinked and was righteously pwn3d.

13 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:45:43pm

re: #9 Guanxi88

A bit more, and far more entertaining than the foregoing:

The Black Nobility belong to the “Committee of 300” that controls the UN. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands has the power to veto the Vatican’s choice of any pope it selects. This may explain the untimely end to Pope John Paul I’s 33-day pontificate. The Prince has veto power because his family, the Habsburgs, are descended directly from the last Roman emperor. (The Habsburg Frederick III was the last emperor to be crowned in Rome; his great-grandson Charles V was the last to be crowned by a pope). This is the civil equivalent of the Pope’s claimed “apostolic succession” from Saint Peter.

Prince Bernhard is leader of the Black Families and he also claims descent from the House of David through the Merovingian dynasty, a claim that was acknowledged to be valid by the Carolingian dynasty that supplanted them, by other monarchs and by the Roman Church of that time. Thus he can truly say that he is “related to Jesus”.

Prince Bernhard’s House of Orange had its origins in France. The Habsburgs are related through marriage with the Merovingians, who are said to have descended from the Tribe of Benjamin who went into exile following war with the other eleven Tribes — see Judges chapter 21. Exile took them to Arcadia in the central Peloponnese, Greece. Here they aligned with the Arcadian royal line and towards the advent of the Christian era, migrated up the Danube and Rhine, through marriage engendering the Sicambrian Franks — the immediate forebears of the Merovingians, who were ultimately of Semitic origin, and descendants of King Saul.

They are identified with the Spartans, and both books of Maccabees link the Spartans with the Jews. I Maccabees 12 tells of Jonathan sending a letter to the Lacedemonians (Spartan Greeks) asking for their help, since they were brethren. The Spartans replied, “It is found in writing, that the Lacedemonians and Jews are brethren and that they are of the stock of Abraham” (verse 21). It is assumed by some writers that this means the Spartans were Israelites, but the Spartans were not Israelites they were Edomites descended from Bela son of Beor and brother of Baalim, and king of Edom (Genesis 36:32; I Chronicles 1:43). Edom was the son of Isaac and grandson of Abraham who sold his birthright, and bred his posterity off the Book of Life.

Early in the fifth century the Merovingians established themselves in what is now Belgium and northern France. There they adopted the Cabalistic pseudo-Christianity of the Cathars, a dualistic religion that holds there are two eternal gods, the god of Good and the god of Evil. It is revealing that this Luciferian belief is held by Masons of high degree and those who would be Masters of this world today, and who claim that Lucifer will ultimately be victorious.

Under Clovis I, who reigned from 481-511, the Franks converted to Roman Catholicism. Through him, Rome began to establish undisputed supremacy in Western Europe. In return for being the sword of Rome whereby the church would manifest her power and impose a spiritual dominion, Clovis was granted the title of “New Constantine” and to preside over a unified “Holy Roman Empire” based on the church and administered on the secular level in perpetuity by the Merovingian bloodline. Like “the sure mercies of David”, this was a pact that could be modified, but not revoked, broken or betrayed.

14 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:47:04pm

re: #13 Guanxi88

Where in the freaking, flying fuck did you find THAT?

15 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:47:59pm

re: #14 Alouette

Where in the freaking, flying fuck did you find THAT?

Not hard at all - collecting conspiracy theories is one of my hobbies.

16 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:48:01pm
17 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:48:45pm
18 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:48:57pm

re: #16 MandyManners

Icke and Jones come to mind.

Yep, they go on and on about - Icke thinks they’re a hybridized alien species, whereas Jones adopts the more moderate view that they just ACT like alien overlords.

19 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:49:40pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Khazars!

It’s like soy sauce and rice with Chinese food:

If ya don’t got Khazars and Merovingians, ya don’t got a good conspiracy theory.

20 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:49:58pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

Not hard at all - collecting conspiracy theories is one of my hobbies.

Have you ever come across the little “factoid” that the Rothschilds “invented a seekrit code” by writing German in Hebrew characters?

I ROTFL after learning that little gem.

21 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:50:13pm
22 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:50:21pm

Gotta run people, have a good night all.

23 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:51:12pm

re: #20 Alouette

Have you ever come across the little “factoid” that the Rothschilds “invented a seekrit code” by writing German in Hebrew characters?

I ROTFL after learning that little gem.

Holy crap! So, my great-grandparents were inconsiderate enough NOT to pass along the decoder to my grandparents? No wonder we’re so poor!

Still, if the Dark Ones (adumbratos, versus illuminatos) required this of us, so be it.

24 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:51:22pm
25 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:52:05pm

re: #19 Guanxi88

It’s like soy sauce and rice with Chinese food:

If ya don’t got Khazars and Merovingians, ya don’t got a good conspiracy theory.

If we’re going to be talking about Merovingians, then we need to get TheMatrix31 in here.

/movie reference

26 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:52:09pm

re: #20 Alouette

I wonder how they explain Ladino.

27 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:52:11pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I hate Paulian Nazis! I hope this man sincerely repented of his wicked deeds before he died, because if he did not then then he’s been sent to Hell. Hopefully he saw the light before he died.

I have to disagree with this. I would hate to see an asshole like this get a pass in the afterlife just because he “saw the light” on his deathbed. It would do nothing to erase the crap he wrote during his life.

28 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:52:28pm
29 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:52:39pm

re: #24 MandyManners

That’s one I’ve never heard.

Have you heard that Rotschilds have a 13th place setting at dinner?

Hey! I belonged to that supper club when I was in college!

“Empty Chair Society” we were called.

30 BlackFedora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:53:04pm

Ron Paul seems to never be far away from kooky people… check out this interview from 2004.

Ron Paul pandering to tax protesters

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:53:21pm

re: #23 Guanxi88

Holy crap! So, my great-grandparents were inconsiderate enough NOT to pass along the decoder to my grandparents? No wonder we’re so poor!

Still, if the Dark Ones (adumbratos, versus illuminatos) required this of us, so be it.

It’s true!

Zionist Overlords have been communicating using this code for centuries!

It’s called Yiddish.

32 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:54:03pm

Wow, you guys really know a lot about conspiracy theories.

* backs away slowly *

33 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:54:31pm

re: #31 Alouette

It’s true!

Zionist Overlords have been communicating using this code for centuries!

It’s called Yiddish.

See, and, though I dare not question the motives of our Directors, I can but assume they compelled that generation to drop the Yiddish to facilitate our infiltration of the hapless and foolish nation that became our host.

Great indeed is the cunning of our Learned Elders.

34 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:56:06pm

It figures that Rense is in the Luap NOr crowd with his Taft club and Sam Francis friends.

35 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:56:16pm

re: #32 cliffster

Wow, you guys really know a lot about conspiracy theories.

* backs away slowly *

Fool! you can’t back away from us! We’ve got you surrounded!

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:56:51pm

re: #27 Petero1818

I have to disagree with this. I would hate to see an asshole like this get a pass in the afterlife just because he “saw the light” on his deathbed. It would do nothing to erase the crap he wrote during his life.

I here you, but it is my belief that one should never wish that someone goes to Hell. There may be cases where we are as certain as mortal humans can be that someone died unrepentant, but we should still never want someone to go to Hell nor be glad they are there.

37 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:57:19pm
38 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:57:50pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

God forgives all things.

39 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:57:58pm

re: #35 Guanxi88

Fool! you can’t back away from us! We’ve got you surrounded!

OH MY GOD! THE ILLUMINATTI ARE EVERYWHERE!!1111

[runs around screaming]

40 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:58:07pm

re: #37 MandyManners

Have you done your daily study of their Protocols?

But of course, and the weekly readings in the synagogue, and the monthly reviews in the Lodge, all help to keep the Mission foremost in my mind.

41 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:59:17pm

re: #19 Guanxi88

Just as long as you have Monica Belluci with that Merovingian, it’s all good. /

42 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:59:19pm
43 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:59:21pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

I here you, but it is my belief that one should never wish that someone goes to Hell. There may be cases where we are as certain as mortal humans can be that someone died unrepentant, but we should still never want someone to go to Hell nor be glad they are there.

well, that is very Christian of you (and I mean it in the best sense of the word), but as a Jew, I am not bound by that code.

44 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:59:22pm

Wasn’t Ron Paul also the editor of an antiSemetic Journal?

45 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:59:43pm
46 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:00:12pm
47 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:00:30pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Keeping your Masonic handshake firm?

Lion’s Paw, my friend, the grip that does not slip!

48 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:00:44pm

re: #44 Bagua

Wasn’t Ron Paul also the editor of an antiSemetic Journal?

It’s rumored that the articles that were attributed to him were actually penned by Lew Rockwell.

49 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:01:01pm

re: #43 Petero1818

well, that is very Christian of you (and I mean it in the best sense of the word), but as a Jew, I am not bound by that code.

Fair enough, sir.

50 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:01:11pm

re: #41 lawhawk

Just as long as you have Monica Belluci with that Merovingian, it’s all good. /

Better take two, just in case!
Hubba!

51 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:01:33pm

re: #48 Thanos

It’s rumored that the articles that were attributed to him were actually penned by Lew Rockwell.

I see, and he was the editor of the ‘journal’ the articles appeared in?

52 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:01:48pm

re: #31 Alouette

It’s true!

Zionist Overlords have been communicating using this code for centuries!

It’s called Yiddish.

I would have been a Yiddish translator for the US Army but I failed the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Kvetch” policy.

53 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:02:20pm
54 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:02:42pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

I would have been a Yiddish translator for the US Army but I failed the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Kvetch” policy.

You wouldn’t have liked it anyway: In the mess hall, the food was terrible and the portions were tiny.

55 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:03:14pm

re: #53 MandyManners

Keeping your apron ironed?

Sssh! Ixnay on the ronapay!

56 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:03:49pm
57 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:04:04pm

re: #51 Bagua

I see, and he was the editor of the ‘journal’ the articles appeared in?

Bingo, but they appeared under his name iirc

58 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:04:21pm

re: #56 MandyManners

Don’t hang me from a bridge!

Ooh! Someone knows the whole P2 story! Nice, very nice.

59 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:04:59pm
60 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:05:46pm

re: #59 MandyManners

And, a big Ma Ha Bone backtcha’!

I guess, then, you’re acquainted with my friend, Mr. Boaz?

61 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:05:56pm

re: #57 Thanos

Bingo, but they appeared under his name iirc

Ron Paul’s Personal Details in Racist Newsletter

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:06:01pm

OT: The EU is dropping the hammer on Greece. The EU’s finance ministers are now demanding Greece cut its budget by March 16th or they’ll take controll of Greece’s money and do it themselves:

Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

63 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:06:04pm

Ron Paul’s anti-Semitic and racist streak runs hard and deep. Charles exposed his craziness and Paul’s defenders went apocalyptic on Charles and others who claimed Paul’s the only one who can save the Nation.

No, Paul is just a conspiracy-theory peddling nutcase who happens to be in the US Congress. He has delusions of grandeur - but the facts are that he’s pushing all manner of conspiracy theories, condones and honors anti Semites, and peddled all manner of racist and anti Semitic garbage to the detriment of his constituents and our nation.

64 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:06:08pm

Didn’t really know about Mullins. I started doing some googling and one link led to another and I’m now I appear to be on this grand adventure through crazy (and sometimes quite disturbing) internet conspiracy world.

65 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:06:20pm
66 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:06:52pm

re: #65 MandyManners

Ssshhh.

Rainbow, were you?

67 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:07:12pm
68 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:07:37pm
69 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:08:37pm

re: #68 MandyManners

My aunt’s OES.

There we go! Ha ha!

Hail, sister (or niece of a sister, in any event) well-met!

70 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:09:00pm

Here also is the link to the TNR piece on the shitbag. Sorry I’m in a foul mood today…
tnr.com

Romney and Liz Cheney are still listed as confirmed speakers at CPAC… grrrrrr

71 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:09:51pm

Paul had no problem hanging out with white supremacist Don Black (and his son) either who were busy funding the 2008 Paul campaign.

72 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:10:00pm
73 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:10:07pm

re: #64 Jadespring

Didn’t really know about Mullins. I started doing some googling and one link led to another and I’m now I appear to be on this grand adventure through crazy (and sometimes quite disturbing) internet conspiracy world.

It’s a fun, fun thing. In truth, it’s mostly intellectual performance-art, with lots of improvisation, like in jazz.

74 Racer X  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:10:57pm

I get all of my financial advice from a gynecologist.

What?

75 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:11:08pm

re: #57 Thanos

Bingo, but they appeared under his name iirc

Either way Ron Paul is responsible as the editor by definition has responsibility for what he allows to be printed unless he publishes a clear disclaimer.

76 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:11:23pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

OT: The EU is dropping the hammer on Greece. The EU’s finance ministers are now demanding Greece cut its budget by March 16th or they’ll take controll of Greece’s money and do it themselves:

Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

Excellent! The pieces are all falling into place.

Oh, and one more thing: You must find the Jade Monkey before the next full moon.

77 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:12:04pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

OT: The EU is dropping the hammer on Greece. The EU’s finance ministers are now demanding Greece cut its budget by March 16th or they’ll take controll of Greece’s money and do it themselves:

Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

This was one of the main arguments against the EU throughout Europe - that it would seek to become an Empire, rather than a Republic.

Didn’t take long for that to play out.

78 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:12:35pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Paul had no problem hanging out with white supremacist Don Black (and his son) either who were busy funding the 2008 Paul campaign.

and let’s not forget the infamous Stormfront server raid where we collected evidence that Stormfronters were “Storming the Iowa Caucus for Ron Paul”.

79 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:13:11pm

Ron Paul is the new Lyndon LaRouche.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:13:16pm

re: #77 SixDegrees

What do you think the EU should do about Greece instead?

81 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:13:29pm

re: #76 Guanxi88

Excellent! The pieces are all falling into place.

Oh, and one more thing: You must find the Jade Monkey before the next full moon.

Call that line into Glen Beck while he’s ranting about the EU or some other foreign organization. He’d sent a week talking about jade monkeys.

/mostly kidding.

82 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:13:58pm

re: #79 Alouette

Ron Paul is the new Lyndon LaRouche.

No, he’s more respectable than Lyndon there, and hasn’t yet been convicted of anything. But there is a certain family resemblance.

83 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:14:56pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Call that line into Glen Beck while he’s ranting about the EU or some other foreign organization. He’d sent a week talking about jade monkeys.

/mostly kidding.

Eh, we found the Jade Monkey anyway. It was in Mr. Burn’s glove compartment.

84 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:15:11pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Want nicotine. bbl

Happy to say I’m working on my fifth week without a cigarette now.

85 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:16:00pm

re: #84 Thanos

Happy to say I’m working on my fifth week without a cigarette now.

Congratulations. It only gets easier; the really hard stuff is all behind you at this point.

86 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:16:07pm

re: #77 SixDegrees

This was one of the main arguments against the EU throughout Europe - that it would seek to become an Empire, rather than a Republic.

Didn’t take long for that to play out.

To be fair, the EU has a point: If they’re going to bail Greece out, they should have the right to make sure that the unions get reigned in. In many ways, I’d rather the EU took control of Greece’s budget. Cuts to the unions could be made by people not accountable to the unions membership in a process similar to a bankruptcy.

87 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:16:24pm

re: #76 Guanxi88

Excellent! The pieces are all falling into place.

Oh, and one more thing: You must find the Jade Monkey before the next full moon.

Might I add…


“Compadres, it is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season. And remember, a shiny new donkey for whoever brings me the head of Colonel Montoya”

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:16:37pm

re: #83 Guanxi88

Eh, we found the Jade Monkey anyway. It was in Mr. Burn’s glove compartment.

Excellent!

89 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:16:38pm

re: #85 SixDegrees

Congratulations. It only gets easier; the really hard stuff is all behind you at this point.

I’m still addicted to the patch, but I plan to start cutting that down soon as well.

90 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:16:55pm

re: #80 Obdicut

What do you think the EU should do about Greece instead?

And the situation is complicated by the fact that the Greek government got US banks to help refinance and repackage Greek debt so that they could gain entry into the EU in the first place. Now, those obligations are coming due and are being called on them. Watch other countries face similar problems both in Europe and elsewhere. That’s why the markets have been unsettled of late (though it’s up today and last week). I figure that Greece will simply go back to the banks and they’ll get yet another repackaged deal in its stead.

91 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #90 lawhawk

I think so too. And the Macedonians get to laugh at them for awhile.

And then it’ll all happen over again.

92 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:18:10pm

re: #77 SixDegrees

This was one of the main arguments against the EU throughout Europe - that it would seek to become an Empire, rather than a Republic.

Didn’t take long for that to play out.

Nope, not long at all. Deploying a single currency without harmonisation of taxes was always going to lead to problems as the monetary policy needs of Greece, Spain and Italy so starkly contrast those of Germany and France.

This is again the Monet method of Engrenage. Put into place a flawed program that nevertheless expanding the EU governmental competance. As the inevitable problems arise, use the beneficial crisis as a means to propose more EU control in the name of reasonable sounding ‘reforms’. The answer is always more EU government control, never less, and they never take responsibility for creating the problems in the first place.

93 Kragar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:19:19pm

re: #76 Guanxi88

Excellent! The pieces are all falling into place.

Oh, and one more thing: You must find the Jade Monkey before the next full moon.

Where are we going to find a virgin in Greece at this hour?

94 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:19:34pm

My favorite insane conspiracy page (with animated flames!)

thevoynichmanuscript.net

95 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:19:57pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, the EU has a point: If they’re going to bail Greece out, they should have the right to make sure that the unions get reigned in. In many ways, I’d rather the EU took control of Greece’s budget. Cuts to the unions could be made by people not accountable to the unions membership in a process similar to a bankruptcy.

I guess my question would be: why bail them out at all?

I’m not trying to excuse Greece’s bad behavior here. Just noting that one of the major fears expressed by nations about creating and joining the EU has come to pass bare moments after it’s inception.

96 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:21:03pm

re: #79 Alouette

Ron Paul is the new Lyndon LaRouche.

You make a compelling comparison. I’ve always seen antiSemetic undertones to many of the popular conspiracy theorists and their theories, sometimes quite overt. If not clearly articulated, it is generally there by association.

97 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:21:14pm

re: #73 Guanxi88

It’s a fun, fun thing. In truth, it’s mostly intellectual performance-art, with lots of improvisation, like in jazz.

Ire: #73 Guanxi88

It’s a fun, fun thing. In truth, it’s mostly intellectual performance-art, with lots of improvisation, like in jazz.

It’s also kinda of funny in that I’ve come across a few things that I’ve heard from fairly far right lefties, though at least with the case of the New World Order stuff that seems to involve some anti-semitism those parts have been dropped or modified. It’s really the same stuff though, just packaged differently. It’s like there’s this globby merge of left and right in conspiracy world which I would think would horrify one side or the other if they realized just how similar they are in their worldview when it comes to this stuff in particular.

98 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:22:18pm

re: #95 SixDegrees

I guess my question would be: why bail them out at all?

I’m not trying to excuse Greece’s bad behavior here. Just noting that one of the major fears expressed by nations about creating and joining the EU has come to pass bare moments after it’s inception.

It has indeed. But Europe’s political class is too committed to let the EU fail right now. That said, if Greece refuse to allow the EU to take control, then the EU may fall like a house of cards.

99 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:22:31pm

re: #97 Jadespring

By sides I’m thinking in particular people that I actually know or have known.

100 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:22:55pm

re: #84 Thanos

Happy to say I’m working on my fifth week without a cigarette now.

It’s all psychological (and sentimental) triggers now. From what I’ve observed. Keep it up, you will never regret it!

101 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:23:22pm

re: #97 Jadespring

It’s also kinda of funny in that I’ve come across a few things that I’ve heard from fairly far right lefties, though at least with the case of the New World Order stuff that seems to involve some anti-semitism those parts have been dropped or modified. It’s really the same stuff though, just packaged differently. It’s like there’s this globby merge of left and right in conspiracy world which I would think would horrify one side or the other if they realized just how similar they are in their worldview when it comes to this stuff in particular.

I look at these things as a sort of intellectual microscope or telescope, cobbled together for each occasion from a box full of parts that happens to be lying on the workbench. No two ever put the pieces together in quite the same way, no two ever use all the pieces, and no two ever agree on whether it’s a microscope or telescope they’re building.

102 garhighway  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:23:54pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

“Banker killers” has to be the most awkwardly worded name for a group of evil villains ever…

(More serious opinions to follow once I read the entire thing…)

Great name for a rock band, though.

103 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:25:01pm

re: #101 Guanxi88

I look at these things as a sort of intellectual microscope or telescope, cobbled together for each occasion from a box full of parts that happens to be lying on the workbench. No two ever put the pieces together in quite the same way, no two ever use all the pieces, and no two ever agree on whether it’s a microscope or telescope they’re building.

Yes that seems to be a good analogy.

104 Racer X  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:25:40pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

It has indeed. But Europe’s political class is too committed to let the EU fail right now. That said, if Greece refuse to allow the EU to take control, then the EU may fall like a house of cards.

That would be kinda bad.

105 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:27:34pm

re: #104 Racer X

That would be kinda bad.

Actually that would be kinda good. It will always end in tears, if it does so now, there will be far fewer problems. In the future the result could be far more severe, as was the case in former Yugoslavia.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:28:41pm

Uh—dare I ask what “The Curse of Canaan” is about? The only common use I know for that phrase is as a justification for slavery.

107 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:29:46pm

re: #105 Bagua

Actually that would be kinda good. It will always end in tears, if it does so now, there will be far fewer problems. In the future the result could be far more severe, as was the case in former Yugoslavia.

Agreed. Exactly why I was very opposed to the bailout. Fall now, or fall further later

108 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:30:25pm

re: #89 Thanos

I’m still addicted to the patch, but I plan to start cutting that down soon as well.

The patches and gum are WAY easier to quit than the smokes are. I used nicotine gum for a long time after I quit, and when I gave it up cold turkey, there was barely a twinge of withdrawal, and even that didn’t last as much as a full day.

I think the speculations that cigarettes contain additives that make them more addictive than the nicotine by itself is probably have some merit, although I doubt it came about as a deliberate effort, even if true.

109 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:32:43pm

The thing about Paul and his supporters I noticed is that they’re a very dogmatic bunch. Question Paul’s ideas and you’re a neo-con tool etc. I remember once I pointed out that we have no idea what the founding fathers would think in foreign policy terms today as it is certainly a different world than that of the late 18th century. I got the usual crap about how I was parroting neo-con ideas etc. And for someone as supposedly as courageous as Paul is, why doesn’t he have the balls to admit that he’s a libertarian and run on that ticket for Congress. And furthermore for someone who whines about the excesses of government the man sure does bring home the bacon for his district from what I understand.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:33:45pm

re: #20 Alouette

Have you ever come across the little “factoid” that the Rothschilds “invented a seekrit code” by writing German in Hebrew characters?

I ROTFL after learning that little gem.

That was a secret code? My great-grandfather got a dispatch in it every day. I think they called it by some seekrit name—oh yeah—the ‘Forverts’.

111 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:34:05pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Uh—dare I ask what “The Curse of Canaan” is about? The only common use I know for that phrase is as a justification for slavery.

Same. Wiki’s as “=Curse of Ham”.

112 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:34:11pm

re: #108 SixDegrees

The cigarette companies purposefully increased the nicotine levels themselves:

washingtonpost.com

And Kessler testified that they do indeed consciously use ammonia in order to promote nicotine uptake.

The science:
sciencedirect.com

And the internal B&W papers say the same thing:

pulitzer.org

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:34:29pm

re: #23 Guanxi88

Holy crap! So, my great-grandparents were inconsiderate enough NOT to pass along the decoder to my grandparents? No wonder we’re so poor!

Still, if the Dark Ones (adumbratos, versus illuminatos) required this of us, so be it.

Yeah. Sheesh. All that blather about becoming Americans and going to college, when my mom could have learned the secrets of the ages?

114 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:35:38pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

It has indeed. But Europe’s political class is too committed to let the EU fail right now. That said, if Greece refuse to allow the EU to take control, then the EU may fall like a house of cards.

Maybe. The EU has always been an uneasy alliance.

I doubt Greece will bail. It’s a lot easier to go along, and just do a better job of hiding their fraud in the future.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:35:57pm

re: #41 lawhawk

Just as long as you have Monica Belluci with that Merovingian, it’s all good. /

That woman is too pretty for her own good.

116 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:36:03pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Uh—dare I ask what “The Curse of Canaan” is about? The only common use I know for that phrase is as a justification for slavery.

From wiki:

Mullins authored The Curse of Canaan: A Demonology of History, in which he set forth the theory that an occult conspiracy founded in ancient Babylon controls the world monetary system, evidence of which he sees in Talmudic and Kabbalistic literature

117 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:37:55pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

That woman is too pretty for her own good.

A remarkably handsome woman, to be sure. “Comely” comes to mind as a suitable descriptor for her.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:38:25pm

re: #84 Thanos

Happy to say I’m working on my fifth week without a cigarette now.

Mazal tov!

119 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:38:54pm
120 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:39:29pm

re: #114 SixDegrees

Maybe. The EU has always been an uneasy alliance.

I doubt Greece will bail. It’s a lot easier to go along, and just do a better job of hiding their fraud in the future.

The poorer countries remain as long as the richer countries are providing subsidies, it is a pact with the devil that is broken once nations like Germany, France and England decide to pay no more.

121 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:40:19pm

If nothing else, Mullins’s career and the Paulians’ affinity for him illustrate how long the chief conspiracist claims have been around, and the extent to which they have taken root in elements of the American right. Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley knew all about these people, and tried mightily to keep them at bay. They are gone now and nobody has even attempted to replace them.

The “patriotic poet” Ezra Pound, btw, was an outright fascist who worked for Mussolini during World War 2. He was actually brought to trial for treason after the war but was declared incompetent. Pound was a leading proponent of economic conspiracism, which of course, is riddled with antisemitic tropes and claims.

122 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:40:24pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Mandy—I’ve posted a link from the Mass chief of police re first Bishop shooting. He thinks it might have been handled better

123 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:40:57pm
124 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:41:06pm

re: #114 SixDegrees

Maybe. The EU has always been an uneasy alliance.

I doubt Greece will bail. It’s a lot easier to go along, and just do a better job of hiding their fraud in the future.

You’re probably right. I just hope the unions try to resist. I want them beaten down hard enough to deter them from trying to shut down Greece again for a while.

125 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:42:03pm
126 Racer X  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:44:10pm

re: #117 Guanxi88

A remarkably handsome woman, to be sure. “Comely” comes to mind as a suitable descriptor for her.

Indeed.

127 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:44:25pm

re: #123 MandyManners

They all meet at Jew-Hate Junction!

/Which of course is almost as popular a stop on the Racist Railway as Black Bashing Boulevard…

128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:44:52pm

Didn’t Lew Rockwell who many say wrote the Paul tracts that have the really racist stuff in them start out as a key aide to Paul? I think another thing that got me curious about Paul’s beliefs in liberty was when he endorsed the Constitution Party candidate for president over the Libertarian one. I am no fan of Bob Barr but Bob Barr was promoting more ideals that promoted liberty than Chuck Baldwin was.

129 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:45:06pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

That was a secret code? My great-grandfather got a dispatch in it every day. I think they called it by some seekrit name—oh yeah—the ‘Forverts’.

And do you know what “Der Forverts” had on its masthead for many years? A quotation from Karl Marx!

Ich gey khalashin.

///////

130 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:45:19pm
131 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:45:24pm
132 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:45:25pm

re: #123 MandyManners

They all meet at Jew-Hate Junction!

I hear that a lot of train wrecks occur there. Just yesterday, the Express Train to Loony Land collided with the Last Train to Clarksville just inside the town limits.

/rimshot

133 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:46:00pm

re: #127 jamesfirecat

/Which of course is almost as popular a stop on the Racist Railway as Black Bashing Boulevard…

Show me the conspiracy theory that says Black people seekritly rule the world.

134 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:46:11pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel

Busted link.

135 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:47:01pm
136 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:48:15pm
137 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:48:33pm
138 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:48:35pm
139 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:48:39pm

re: #135 MandyManners

Linky no worky.

Once you have applied the seekrit link-unlocking code with your decoder ring, you will see that Ezra Pound was an ugly-ass son of a bitch.

140 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:49:09pm
141 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:50:25pm

re: #133 Alouette

Well, a lot of (crazy) people assert it’s now easier to get a job/grant/admitted to college as a black person than a white one. It’s a different conspiracy theory, for the benefit of, rather than perpetrated by, black people.

142 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:51:04pm

re: #140 MandyManners

I had a Jewish professor who knew him. He was very, very insane— Pound, that is. He admitted, privately, that he was insane.

143 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:51:43pm

re: #140 MandyManners

Dang. He looks wild.

Probably not his best day. The text says he was held by Italian partisans.

144 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:51:49pm
145 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:51:52pm

re: #142 Obdicut

I had a Jewish professor who knew him. He was very, very insane— Pound, that is. He admitted, privately, that he was insane.

He looks crazy…

146 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:52:06pm

re: #141 Obdicut

Well, a lot of (crazy) people assert it’s now easier to get a job/grant/admitted to college as a black person than a white one. It’s a different conspiracy theory, for the benefit of, rather than perpetrated by, black people.

Affirmative Action policy is not a seekrit conspiracy.

147 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:52:15pm

re: #135 MandyManners

Linky no worky.

It had an extra “ in it.
Here it is.

148 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:52:18pm
149 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:52:55pm

re: #148 MandyManners

Coulda’ been worse. Look at what they did to Mussolini.

Something about a rope.

150 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:53:52pm

re: #146 Alouette

A lot of the beliefs of how it operate— and what areas it actually affects— are similar to a conspiracy theory.

151 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:53:57pm
152 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:54:27pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Something about a rope.

And that was after they gave him the firing squad. He didn’t even get a chance to perform the rope trick.

153 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:55:40pm
154 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:55:51pm
155 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:56:08pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

And that was after they gave him the firing squad. He didn’t even get a chance to perform the rope trick.

One of the Northern partisan groups was communist, but led by an Italian count. They revel in contradiction.

156 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:56:15pm
157 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:56:16pm

re: #146 Alouette

Affirmative Action policy is not a seekrit conspiracy.

No, but the belief that all affirmative action policies make it hard for a white man to get a job or make it easy for a black man to get into college is.

158 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:57:22pm

re: #157 torrentprime

No, but the belief that all affirmative action policies make it hard for a white man to get a job or make it easy for a black man to get into college is.

And of course Teh Juice who are behind it all.

159 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:57:35pm

re: #156 MandyManners

I need a better brain-keyboard filter.

fuck that

160 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:59:56pm

re: #97 Jadespring

It’s also kinda of funny in that I’ve come across a few things that I’ve heard from fairly far right lefties, though at least with the case of the New World Order stuff that seems to involve some anti-semitism those parts have been dropped or modified. It’s really the same stuff though, just packaged differently. It’s like there’s this globby merge of left and right in conspiracy world which I would think would horrify one side or the other if they realized just how similar they are in their worldview when it comes to this stuff in particular.

Absolutely. The common themes are conspiracy theories about shadowy groups that control the World/Nation/Banks/etc.. In general, many of them have updated their doctrines to avoid overt anti-Semitism, and instead it is the elephant in the room, as is obvious from the comments sections and links, and a clear innuendo from the content.

The BNP is an example of a political group doing the same thing, concealing their anti-Semitism in an effort to go more main stream.

161 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:00:10pm
162 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:01:04pm

re: #158 Alouette

Many antisemetics claim that Jews use blacks for ‘muscle’.

It’s a nice racist ‘smear two birds with one piece of filth’ statement.

163 Racer X  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:01:10pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Didn’t he have a penis the shape of a can?

“Chef Boy - Oh My!”

164 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:03:26pm

re: #162 Obdicut

Many antisemetics claim that Jews use blacks for ‘muscle’.

It’s a nice racist ‘smear two birds with one piece of filth’ statement.

Anyone whose seen Blues Brothers should know that!

165 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:03:58pm

re: #162 Obdicut

Many antisemetics claim that Jews use blacks for ‘muscle’.

It’s a nice racist ‘smear two birds with one piece of filth’ statement.

Does that also include Black anti-Semites?

166 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:04:21pm
167 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:04:54pm
168 ED 209  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:04:55pm

Speaking of conspiracy theories- have you guys seen the one about a guy/thing/entity that controls everything? I’ve seen some wild ones, but it takes the cake.

169 Slap  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:05:29pm

Howdy, all.

Drive by, tangentially OT (it IS politics-related), but saw this via Fark and was fascinated:

The 1956 Republican Party Platform

What’s that French saying — the more things change, the more things change?

Back to the shadows, again.

170 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:05:39pm

re: #165 Alouette

Does that also include Black anti-Semites?

AntiSemitism in the Black Community is surprisingly prevalent.

171 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:05:49pm
172 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:06:11pm

re: #165 Alouette

Well, yes. Farrakhan makes that claim, I believe.

Such an asshole.

173 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:06:20pm
174 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:06:38pm

re: #166 MandyManners

I’m brimming with quips about various pasta shapes.

Caneloni good, farfalle bad?

175 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:07:05pm

re: #140 MandyManners

Dang. He looks wild.

He was not having a good year. The Nazis had surrendered just three weeks earlier. Mussonlini’s ramshackle Italian Socialist Republic, under whose patronage Pound had been living, had collapsed with them. Pound was captured by partisans and was probably lucky to have escaped Mussonlini’s fate. Instead of shooting him, they turned him over to American troops, who threw into an Army detention camp. He was undoubtedly expecting to be sent back to the States and welcomed home with a necktie party. It might have happened if he had not been found insane.

176 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:07:25pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Lasagna for those with particular tastes.

177 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:07:50pm

Update from Roggio in Spinoffs up top:
Taliban confirm Mullah Baradar captured

178 ED 209  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:08:00pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Whoa- someone’s gotta one track mind today! Time for some alone time with the significant other?

179 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:08:09pm

re: #9 Guanxi88

A little feverish background on them:
[Link: www.illuminati-news.com…]SNIP
The Medecci popes, and Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) were Khazars, as is the present Pope, John Paul II. SNIP

The ‘Medecci’ popes?

What a moran.

180 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:08:11pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Caneloni good, farfalle bad?

Haven’t found any great Caneloni in Indiana

181 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:08:23pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Rev. Wright.

Not only Rev. Wright, which was why I was not terribly shocked by his statements during the election. My reaction was more, “Don’t people realise how common this sort of thinking is among segments of that community?”

182 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:08:31pm
183 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:09:01pm
184 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:09:25pm
185 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:10:30pm
186 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:10:48pm

re: #170 Bagua

so I keep hearing. maybe in some locations, but I haven’t met any black anti-semites in the south.

187 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:11:10pm

re: #180 HoosierHoops

Haven’t found any great Caneloni in Indiana

You’re walking a dangerously fine line.

188 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:12:27pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

You’re walking a dangerously fine line.

I’m talking Italian food… I must have missed something Bro…

189 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:12:34pm

re: #183 MandyManners

What was his mental illness?

Haw-Haw Syndrome.

190 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:13:19pm

re: #169 Slap

I like this part:

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: “In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people’s money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.”

191 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:13:50pm
192 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:13:55pm

re: #34 Thanos

It figures that Rense is in the Luap NOr crowd with his Taft club and Sam Francis friends.

Are those micro-brews?

193 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:14:02pm

re: #190 Thanos

I like this part:

Very good words.

194 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:14:09pm

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Mandy 153, 166.

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:14:41pm

re: #191 MandyManners

Assholism is not in the DSM.

If it was, most of Congress would be institutionalized.

196 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:14:53pm

re: #186 zora

It’s mainly an urban phenomenon, but it’s got some variety to it.

Here’s a good article on it:
jcpa.org

That’s from the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, now awesomely renamed:

Institute for Global Jewish Affairs

Omg konspiracy?!

197 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:15:08pm

most black people don’t even differentiate. for all practical purposes white is white. for the more educated, they view Jews as having something in common with them. you know the whole being persecuted and enslaved thing.

198 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:15:40pm
199 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:15:59pm

re: #133 Alouette

Show me the conspiracy theory that says Black people seekritly rule the world.

No, no, no, the black people don’t seekritly rule the world, but they’re the shock troops that we, the seekrit world rulers, will deploy to ruin the days/lives/countries of of the Reel Upright People. We already give them everything…

/

200 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:16:31pm
201 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:17:01pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Didn’t he have a penis the shape of a can?

With a pull-tab at the top?

202 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:18:00pm

many jewish professors that fled Europe taught at historically black colleges in the south. made long lasting impressions on the black communities as a result.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:18:06pm

re: #165 Alouette

Does that also include Black anti-Semites?

Usually not.

204 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:18:24pm

re: #44 Bagua

Wasn’t Ron Paul also the editor of an antiSemetic Journal?

Yes, but he said he didn’t know it was antisemitic.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:18:27pm

re: #165 Alouette

Does that also include Black anti-Semites?

Oh, wait. According to who?

206 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:19:43pm

re: #204 ryannon

Yes, but he said he didn’t know it was antisemitic.

Just in it for the punctuation and spelling.

207 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:19:54pm

re: #202 zora

There’s a beautiful, beautiful book called “When Harlem Was Jewish” that touches on the subject, too.

Out of print, nearly impossible to find.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:20:07pm

re: #179 ryannon

The ‘Medecci’ popes?

What a moran.

The father of the first “Medecci” pope wrote him a rather lovely letter when the boy was heading off to Rome as a Cardinal for the first time. Basically to the effect of “You’re a Cardinal at sixteen because I’m rich and powerful, not because you’re anything special, so be polite to everyone, and don’t act like a spoiled rich brat.”

209 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:20:18pm
210 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:20:53pm
211 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:21:24pm

re: #186 zora

so I keep hearing. maybe in some locations, but I haven’t met any black anti-semites in the south.

I became aware of this a couple of years ago when I made friends with a man who runs a restaurant in a black community. (Houston is very segregated and I have never seen white people in the Black restaurants and clubs I frequent.)

He was full of conspiracy theories about “the Jews” being responsible for 911, controlling all the media and banks, and so on. He told me that he had heard this from countless people in that community and found all sorts of conspiracy sites on the internet to further these claims.

I explained to him the fallacy of these attacks and also the fact that it was prominently Jewish people who risked their lives to advance civil rights in America.

He then asked me: “So if it is all lies, then why is the Tribe hated so much?”

I replied: “So why are Black people hated so much? Hatred of Jews is the oldest hatred.”

This rang true with him and his research changed to looking at the Bible from a Jewish perspective.

212 ED 209  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:21:56pm

re: #198 MandyManners

This says he was bi-polar.

Speaking of bi-polar

213 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:22:08pm

re: #207 Obdicut

There’s a beautiful, beautiful book called “When Harlem Was Jewish” that touches on the subject, too.

Out of print, nearly impossible to find.

Not impossible to find, but still pretty damned expensive.

214 SpaceJesus  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:23:43pm

teacher in the south is about to get fired because she insulted southern “culture” and christianity on her facebook page after being harassed by her students.


news-record.com

scienceblogs.com

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:23:50pm

re: #211 Bagua

I became aware of this a couple of years ago when I made friends with a man who runs a restaurant in a black community. (Houston is very segregated and I have never seen white people in the Black restaurants and clubs I frequent.)

He was full of conspiracy theories about “the Jews” being responsible for 911, controlling all the media and banks, and so on. He told me that he had heard this from countless people in that community and found all sorts of conspiracy sites on the internet to further these claims.

I explained to him the fallacy of these attacks and also the fact that it was prominently Jewish people who risked their lives to advance civil rights in America.

He then asked me: “So if it is all lies, then why is the Tribe hated so much?”

I replied: “So why are Black people hated so much? Hatred of Jews is the oldest hatred.”

This rang true with him and his research changed to looking at the Bible from a Jewish perspective.

I have to say, I think we worry a LOT about black anti-semitism, and tend to chalk anti-semitic behavior up to race a lot more if the hater is black. Sometimes a badly educated conspiracy theorist is only that.

Nice that you were able to communicate with this guy, and he was open to changing his ideas.

216 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:24:12pm
217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:24:29pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

He can have the one I came up with for my Rock Band 2 Group if he wants

“Furious Rust”

Finally, someone else here is into Rock Band 2. :D

218 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:26:13pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, wait. According to who?

According to the AntiDefamationLeague.

Here is their report which shows:

Strongly Anti-Semetic:
17% of Americans
35% of Hispanics
44% of foreign-born Hispanics
20% of American-born Hispanics
35% of African Americans

The anti-Semitic propensities of foreign-born Hispanics were significantly above the national average. Meanwhile, the number of African-Americans with strong anti-Semitic beliefs continued to hold steady at 35%.

219 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:26:22pm
220 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:26:56pm

re: #211 Bagua

I became aware of this a couple of years ago when I made friends with a man who runs a restaurant in a black community. (Houston is very segregated and I have never seen white people in the Black restaurants and clubs I frequent.)

He was full of conspiracy theories about “the Jews” being responsible for 911, controlling all the media and banks, and so on. He told me that he had heard this from countless people in that community and found all sorts of conspiracy sites on the internet to further these claims.

I explained to him the fallacy of these attacks and also the fact that it was prominently Jewish people who risked their lives to advance civil rights in America.

He then asked me: “So if it is all lies, then why is the Tribe hated so much?”

I replied: “So why are Black people hated so much? Hatred of Jews is the oldest hatred.”

This rang true with him and his research changed to looking at the Bible from a Jewish perspective.

Bravo, Bagua for fighting prejudice and conspiracy theories. Please repost that when iceweasel is around, but don’t address it to her. It might do some good.

/Just a PR suggestion

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:28:09pm

re: #218 Bagua

According to the AntiDefamationLeague.

Here is their report which shows:

Strongly Anti-Semetic:
17% of Americans
35% of Hispanics
44% of foreign-born Hispanics
20% of American-born Hispanics
35% of African Americans

The anti-Semitic propensities of foreign-born Hispanics were significantly above the national average. Meanwhile, the number of African-Americans with strong anti-Semitic beliefs continued to hold steady at 35%.

No, I meant…oh never mind. It was funny about thirty posts ago.

222 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:28:12pm

re: #211 Bagua

Bagua, are you going to take your time to explain why you yourself have claimed that the major banks were owned by Jews?

It seems rather odd to castigate the black community for something you yourself have done.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Bros., Chase, most of the big names involved are Jewish owned.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I was making the point that I saw populist attacks on bankers and Wallstreet to have antiSemetic undertones because there are several prominent investment banks on Wall Street which are Jewish owned, such as Lehmans, Glodman Sachs, Bear Stearns, and others. I later corrected myself to remove Morgan Stanley and add others.

I also noted that they always seem to focus on the Jewish owned banks such as Goldman Sachs and ignore the non-Jewish owned which are in the majority. Thus attacking the fat cats on wall-street and the greedy bankers is a dogwistle for antiSemitism in my book…

Emphasis added, and second post truncated, but otherwise I haven’t altered a thing.

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:28:27pm

re: #214 SpaceJesus

This is why I want nothing to do with facebook. I don’t like that you must associate your real name with it. Yuck.

224 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:28:41pm

re: #186 zora

so I keep hearing. maybe in some locations, but I haven’t met any black anti-semites in the south.

See my #218.

35% of the Black community is “Strongly Anti-Semitic” and willing to say so openly in a survey.

225 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:29:01pm

re: #211 Bagua

wow. neighbors of mine had a 9/11 video tape that they wanted me to watch to prove the 9/11 was an inside job. I assumed it was a “Bush did it” tape, but did not take it from them and told them I had no desire or time to watch it. I hope it wasn’t a “jews did it” kind of tape. I’m glad you had the time and/or patience to share some knowledge.

226 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Just in it for the punctuation and spelling.

As I remember, the subject was thoroughly discussed here at LGF. The story from his people was that although his name was on the masthead, Dr. Paul didn’t have the time to read everything in it. Dude was too busy saving us from the Bankers or something like that….

227 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:30:19pm

re: #211 Bagua

I became aware of this a couple of years ago when I made friends with a man who runs a restaurant in a black community. (Houston is very segregated and I have never seen white people in the Black restaurants and clubs I frequent.)

He was full of conspiracy theories about “the Jews” being responsible for 911, controlling all the media and banks, and so on. He told me that he had heard this from countless people in that community and found all sorts of conspiracy sites on the internet to further these claims.

I explained to him the fallacy of these attacks and also the fact that it was prominently Jewish people who risked their lives to advance civil rights in America.

He then asked me: “So if it is all lies, then why is the Tribe hated so much?”

I replied: “So why are Black people hated so much? Hatred of Jews is the oldest hatred.”

This rang true with him and his research changed to looking at the Bible from a Jewish perspective.

Congratulations are in order to you for doing that. (Non sarcastic)

228 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:30:46pm
229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:31:35pm

re: #225 zora

wow. neighbors of mine had a 9/11 video tape that they wanted me to watch to prove the 9/11 was an inside job. I assumed it was a “Bush did it” tape, but did not take it from them and told them I had no desire or time to watch it. I hope it wasn’t a “jews did it” kind of tape. I’m glad you had the time and/or patience to share some knowledge.

It was probably Loose Change. I have friends who are all about Loose Change. @_o

230 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:31:52pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say, I think we worry a LOT about black anti-semitism, and tend to chalk anti-semitic behavior up to race a lot more if the hater is black. Sometimes a badly educated conspiracy theorist is only that.

Nice that you were able to communicate with this guy, and he was open to changing his ideas.

Agreed. I obviously look beyond race as the majority of my personal friends and professional associates are non-Caucasian.

231 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:32:00pm

re: #207 Obdicut

There’s a beautiful, beautiful book called “When Harlem Was Jewish” that touches on the subject, too.

Oh man, there goes the neighborhood.

232 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:32:34pm

re: #219 MandyManners

It’ll be her own damn fault. She’s a freakin’ adult. No one stuck a gun to her head to force her to post that on her Facebook.

Boy what a whacked out story….I’m not how to even take it…She really lost that class somehow…

233 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:32:40pm

re: #223 WindUpBird

This is why I want nothing to do with facebook. I don’t like that you must associate your real name with it. Yuck.

The fact that your real name is on it makes it more interesting, in my opinion. It eliminates #2 in the Fucktard Theory

Not implying that people can’t be anonymous and, you know, not fucktards at the same time, obviously…

234 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:32:41pm

re: #231 ryannon

It’s so well-written and well-researched, it’s a shame to see it’s so hard to get. Only place I can ever find it is at university libraries.

235 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:33:19pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

i would say that this 35% are primarily prejudiced toward white people in general. the nation of islam considers white people to be the devil. they are referred to as antisemitic, which is true, however they are racists toward all white people.

236 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:33:38pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

Boy what a whacked out story…I’m not sure how to even take it…She really lost that class somehow…


Sorry

237 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:33:39pm
238 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:33:46pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

As soon as I heard that nifty soundtrack on Loose Change I knew it would just be a torrent of bullshit.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:33:55pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

Boy what a whacked out story…I’m not how to even take it…She really lost that class somehow

i’m guessing her name and her race probably had something to do with it. ;-)

240 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:34:08pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Bravo, Bagua for fighting prejudice and conspiracy theories. Please repost that when iceweasel is around, but don’t address it to her. It might do some good.

/Just a PR suggestion

Why?

Does she think the Jews were behind 9-11?

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:34:27pm

Most hilarious moment:

At a demo, the mourners for the fallen of Gaza on one side of the street, us on the other, downtown San Francisco going on around us, a gentleman popped up to explain that we were both mistaken.

Neither group had a claim on the Land.

Moses, you see, was a black guy. So was Jesus. Those of us who had gotten the idea from false scripture that Jesus was blond (?) were mistaken. The land, obviously, belongs to black people, much like the gentleman bringing this to our attention.

So now I’m tryin’ to hold on to my signs, and yell at the guys across the street, and chant “Am Yisrael Chai”, and also talk to this guy about Jesus’ hair color.

It was quite something.

242 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:34:56pm
243 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:35:28pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Bravo, Bagua for fighting prejudice and conspiracy theories. Please repost that when iceweasel is around, but don’t address it to her. It might do some good.

/Just a PR suggestion

I don’t have to defend myself against absurd allegations that I am some-how a Jewish antiSemite because of my views against antiSemitism.

I have 7,000 comments over three years that are consistently pro-Israel and against antiSemitism and racism. Such selective quotation for the purpose of character assassination more offensive to me than actual antiSemitism.

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:35:50pm

re: #233 Soap_Man

The fact that your real name is on it makes it more interesting, in my opinion. It eliminates #2 in the Fucktard Theory

Not implying that people can’t be anonymous and, you know, not fucktards at the same time, obviously…

Oh, it helps people be accountable, sure. But it also means you’re”out there” on the internet, accessible under your real name. So i can be found by people from high school, marketers, etc. No thanks, not for me. I’m on other communities on the internet that suit me far better than Facebook’s widget hell. I think i’d get a Facebook account if I had a really big project to promote, and that’s all I’d use it for. :D

245 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:36:03pm
246 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:36:09pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

I used to go outside Farakkhan’s house (I lived three blocks away from him in Chicago, near his very ugly house) wearing a star of David t-shirt, and debate with his ‘ministers’. They’d always show up if I loitered outside for a few minutes.

It was sad; they were all genuinely trying to help out their community, but had been handed a bunch of bunk by a semi-charismatic leader.

247 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:37:02pm

re: #246 Obdicut

I used to go outside Farakkhan’s house (I lived three blocks away from him in Chicago, near his very ugly house) wearing a star of David t-shirt, and debate with his ‘ministers’. They’d always show up if I loitered outside for a few minutes.

It was sad; they were all genuinely trying to help out their community, but had been handed a bunch of bunk by a semi-charismatic leader.

I think that applies to a lot of religious middle management.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #242 MandyManners

Islam is not a race.

Religion, belief system, cultural group, tribe, whatever. My point was this: the fact that she set off NOT OF OUR TRIBE, POSSIBLY OF THE MUSLIM TRIBE alarm bells in her class didn’t exactly make life easier for her.

249 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:38:00pm

re: #222 Obdicut

Bagua, are you going to take your time to explain why you yourself have claimed that the major banks were owned by Jews?

It seems rather odd to castigate the black community for something you yourself have done.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Emphasis added, and second post truncated, but otherwise I haven’t altered a thing.

Will you first apologise for flinging that accusation at me 9 days and dozens of threads later when Ludwig was going off the rails in certain knowledge that Ludwig would go react as predicted? And then happily updinging him when he accused me of being responsible for the death of thousands of Jews and called me a ‘Rat Turd’?

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:38:25pm

re: #245 MandyManners

The Bible says He was blond?

No. We pointed that out a number of times, but it didn’t help. He may have been thinking of Renaissance art. As my mother likes to point out, the odds are good that the historical Jesus did not look like a Northern Italian art student.

251 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:38:38pm

re: #245 MandyManners

oh now I see. the guy has a “bootleg” bible. explains the blond hair.

252 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:38:58pm
253 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #245 MandyManners

The Bible says He was blond?

This is what science says he probably looked like.

254 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:21pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

Religion, belief system, cultural group, tribe, whatever. My point was this: the fact that she set off NOT OF OUR TRIBE, POSSIBLY OF THE MUSLIM TRIBE alarm bells in her class didn’t exactly make life easier for her.

Yup. Anyone who can claim that Hussein/Hussain isn’t an extremely difficult name to carry after watching [any right-wing election-related speech from 08] wasn’t paying attention.

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:33pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

No. We pointed that out a number of times, but it didn’t help. He may have been thinking of Renaissance art. As my mother likes to point out, the odds are good that the historical Jesus did not look like a Northern Italian art student.

heehee, kinda like all the purportedly Egyptian women in pre-Raphaelite romantic art that all look like English beauties? :D

256 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:36pm
257 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:50pm
258 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:51pm

re: #237 MandyManners

I wonder if she ever had control over it.

I don’t know about you but the first day of any class from when the nuns hated me to College.. The Teacher always had control of the first day of class.
From that moment on..All they can do is either lose control of the Class or inspire their students…I’ve been in both classrooms in my life…

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:39:59pm

re: #254 torrentprime

Yup. Anyone who can claim that Hussein/Hussain isn’t an extremely difficult name to carry after watching [any right-wing election-related speech from 08] wasn’t paying attention.

yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes :)

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:40:00pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

Religion, belief system, cultural group, tribe, whatever. My point was this: the fact that she set off NOT OF OUR TRIBE, POSSIBLY OF THE MUSLIM TRIBE alarm bells in her class didn’t exactly make life easier for her.

Sounds like they were being twerps, and she didn’t handle it very professionally.

That said, I did once have to confiscate a Bible in class.

261 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:40:22pm
262 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:40:33pm

Just an FYI- I used to go to conservative events and one time I stopped at the CFL booth at a local rally….most of the guys were nice, but one guy overheard me saying that I work at a defense company and nearly tried to fight me.

I came to find out that he was the chief organizer of the booth at the event and believe that the military is the puppet of a big government world order to destroy the Founder’s idea of a Republic.

Swear to God.

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:40:50pm

re: #252 MandyManners

Islam is not a race.

Hey, neat! I remember when you sand that before! You’ve missed my point twice so far, care to make it a third?

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:40:52pm

re: #253 Soap_Man

This is what science says he probably looked like.

Shave him, and I think that guy’s on my shul board.

265 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:40:55pm
266 darthstar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:41:06pm
267 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:41:25pm

From Salon-Holy Smokes!!!

Quote from Politico, yesterday:

The White House is considering endorsing a law that would allow the indefinite detention of some alleged terrorists without trial as part of efforts to break a logjam with Congress over President Barack Obama’s plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday… .

SALON Writer-

Last summer, White House officials said they had ruled out seeking a “preventive detention” statute as a way to deal with anti-terror detainees … However, speaking at a news conference in Greenville, S.C. Monday, Graham said the White House now seems open to a new law to lay out the standards for open-ended imprisonment of those alleged to be members of or fighters for Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

* * * * *

Here we find, in all its splendor and glory, the beauty of Pragmatism as an all-purpose justifying mantra: no matter what position the President takes, even when they’re polar opposites, the President is always right. He’s right when he rejects a preventive detention law and he’s right when he wants one. No matter the position at the moment, he’s being pragmatic, which means not bothering oneself with any of those annoying “principles” that are the provenance of shrill ideologues and dreaded purists, even when it comes to matters that were intended to be shielded from political compromise (i.e., core Constitutional liberties, such as the right not to be put in a cage for life without charges and a trial, or a “preventive detention” scheme which The New York Times, the day after Obama proposed it, called “a departure from the way this country sees itself”).

268 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:41:40pm

re: #245 MandyManners

The Bible says He was blond?

I think the guy was referring to Revelation 1:12-16. There’s some crazy-ass descriptions in there.

269 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:41:42pm

re: #249 Bagua

What accusation? That you posted what you posted? The accusation I’m making is that you wrote those words and posted them on LGF. I’ve linked to the posts. Anyone can go and look and see for the context.

If you were simply mistaken, that’s fine, it happens to everyone. But you refused to explain yourself, repeatedly. But you repeated the allegation with five days separation, so it wasn’t a one-time mistake.

I am content to simply never address you at all— unless you raise this issue. Then I will ask you for an explanation of what you wrote.

270 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:42:20pm

re: #266 darthstar

OT: but I think this is pretty cool

Ok, THAT’S going on my facebook. Awesome.

271 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:42:28pm

re: #246 Obdicut

lot’s of young black men are indoctrinated into this cult, nation of islam, during incarceration. the same with young white men and skin head / neo nazis, etc. debating them is often useless as they have just memorized talking points.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:43:19pm

re: #268 Alouette

I think the guy was referring to Revelation 1:12-16. There’s some crazy-ass descriptions in there.

I would assume that meant WHITE hair, not blond.

273 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:43:20pm

re: #261 MandyManners

More likely than a blue-eyed blond.

I remember when this story came out. There was a lot of ridiculous responses “HERETIC!” and such.

More reasonable religious leaders welcomed it, saying something along the lines of “whatever gives us a better understanding of Jesus is welcome.”

274 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:43:42pm

re: #252 MandyManners

Islam is not a race.

Like the internet it’s a series of tubes, many of which are packed with virgins.

275 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:43:44pm

re: #271 zora

And if they go back to their leaders with legitimate questions, they normally just get the second level of biolerplate reply. I’d often see the same guy, who’d have ready ‘answers’ to the last issues I’d brought up— and they clearly didn’t come from him.

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:43:46pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like they were being twerps, and she didn’t handle it very professionally.

That said, I did once have to confiscate a Bible in class.

Was it loaded? :D

and yeah, I’ve been in exactly those classes. it was this sort of snotty Geman teacher we had who was wound WAY too tight. She was easy to mess with, so my skate-punk dirtbag friends messed with her. Sneaking around the class, doing Manson Creepy Crawly furniture moving pranks, the works. Then she screamed THIS IS CHICKENSHIT at the class and ran out. Some kids got detention, there was a substitute for a while.

All kids need is a trigger sometime. They have a teacher that sets off their spidey sense, and they’re already predisposed to dislike muslims, and BAM, recipe for disastah.

I just sat in the back and drew pictures, like I did in every class in jr. high.

277 darthstar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:44:11pm

re: #267 Rightwingconspirator

From Salon-Holy Smokes!!!

Quote from Politico, yesterday:

The White House is considering endorsing a law that would allow the indefinite detention of some alleged terrorists without trial as part of efforts to break a logjam with Congress over President Barack Obama’s plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday… .

At least Lindsey Graham’s the source for the White House position on this…that gives me hope that it may not be true.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:44:30pm

re: #273 Soap_Man

I remember when this story came out. There was a lot of ridiculous responses “HERETIC!” and such.

More reasonable religious leaders welcomed it, saying something along the lines of “whatever gives us a better understanding of Jesus is welcome.”

How can a picture of what Jesus might have looked like be heretical? I see pictures of him all the time. It was kind of, you know, a staple of art for centuries.

279 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:44:39pm

re: #273 Soap_Man

I remember when this story came out. There was a lot of ridiculous responses “HERETIC!” and such.

More reasonable religious leaders welcomed it, saying something along the lines of “whatever gives us a better understanding of Jesus is welcome.”

HAHAHAHAHA—wait. Religious leaders actually said that? Man, I need to trade my in.

280 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:44:45pm
281 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:44:59pm

re: #279 torrentprime

HAHAHAHAHA—wait. Religious leaders actually said that? Man, I need to trade my in.

PIMF: Man, I need to trade mine in.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:45:00pm

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

Like the internet it’s a series of tubes, many of which are packed with virgins.

I don’t know why, but this makes me laugh. A lot.

283 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:45:30pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

I just sat in the back and drew pictures, like I did in every class in jr. high.

And look where that got you!

Oh, wait.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:45:40pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

and by snotty German teacher, I mean that she was snotty, and she taught Jr. high school German. Not that she was a snotty German. she was from Bothell, WA, and barely knew German. :D

285 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:45:44pm

re: #262 TampaKnight

Just an FYI- I used to go to conservative events and one time I stopped at the CFL booth at a local rally…most of the guys were nice, but one guy overheard me saying that I work at a defense company and nearly tried to fight me.

I came to find out that he was the chief organizer of the booth at the event and believe that the military is the puppet of a big government world order to destroy the Founder’s idea of a Republic.

Swear to God.

Isolationism and anti-military feelings are a big part of the Paulian/Bircher baloney. They hate neo-cons because neo-cons see the need for war. Somehow, the Paulians don’t even seem to see the need for national self-defense.

286 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:45:52pm
287 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:46:17pm
288 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:46:33pm

re: #269 Obdicut

What accusation? That you posted what you posted? The accusation I’m making is that you wrote those words and posted them on LGF. I’ve linked to the posts. Anyone can go and look and see for the context.

If you were simply mistaken, that’s fine, it happens to everyone. But you refused to explain yourself, repeatedly. But you repeated the allegation with five days separation, so it wasn’t a one-time mistake.

I am content to simply never address you at all— unless you raise this issue. Then I will ask you for an explanation of what you wrote.

You deny that you flung out that in a clear attempt to bait Ludwig into over the top insults? If you deny that then you are being incredibly dishonest, as was your misrepresentation of my words from a long thread in which I was arguing against AntiSemitism.

And I am not at all mistaken, although you chose a post which I corrected and amended shortly after a pimf.

That was a highly motivated and obviously timed attempt at character assassination, at minimum, apologise and I’ll be happy to discuss whatever details your are confused about.

289 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Paradise is in the Internet?

God I hope so.

290 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:46:45pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

Isolationism and anti-military feelings are a big part of the Paulian/Bircher baloney. They hate neo-cons because neo-cons see the need for war. Somehow, the Paulians don’t even seem to see the need for national self-defense.

Ron Paul wrote an opinion piece slamming the US military aid in Haiti and called it an “occupation” of the nation.

291 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:46:46pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

Paulians can prove on paper that war is far to expensive for anyone to ever engage in.

292 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:47:20pm

re: #283 Obdicut

And look where that got you!

Oh, wait.

I had the experience where in high school teacher grabbed something I was doodling and said ” We-e-e-e-el! I guess we have an artist here!” to give me a hard time about it. I just shrugged and said, “yep! And I’m getting an A in your class.”

Then we became friends. :D

293 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:47:35pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

No. We pointed that out a number of times, but it didn’t help. He may have been thinking of Renaissance art. As my mother likes to point out, the odds are good that the historical Jesus did not look like a Northern Italian art student.

My Grandpa used to say hair color don’t matter cause it all turns grey at the end anyway.

294 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:47:55pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

How can a picture of what Jesus might have looked like be heretical? I see pictures of him all the time. It was kind of, you know, a staple of art for centuries.

The heretic responses were mostly about how this scientist had the audacity to suggest Jesus wasn’t a white guy. And a lot of complaints about “liberal” scientists trying to make Jesus more PC, or some bullshit like that.

295 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:47:55pm

Wow! Missed this earlier about Ezra Pound’s long stay in a mental hospital after WW2:

Pound was frequently visited by his protegé, a Library of Congress researcher named Eustace Mullins. Pound commissioned Mullins to write a book about the history of the Federal Reserve and to tell it like a detective story. Pound believed that the bankers in charge of the Federal Reserve and their associates in the Bank of England were responsible for getting the United States into both World Wars, in an effort to drive up government debt beyond sustainable levels (the national debt indeed rose astronomically because of the wars). He advocated an abandonment of the current system of money being created by private bankers. He favored government issued currency[21] with no interest to pay, preventing the need for an income tax and national debt, much like the system used by the Pennsylvania Colony from 1723 to 1764.[citation needed] Pound argued that his views on money aligned with those of Thomas Jefferson, as well as with Benjamin Franklin’s Colonial Scrip.

296 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:47:59pm

re: #257 MandyManners

forgot the sarc tag. bootleg as in conterfiet, substandard.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:48:15pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

Was it loaded? :D

and yeah, I’ve been in exactly those classes. it was this sort of snotty Geman teacher we had who was wound WAY too tight. She was easy to mess with, so my skate-punk dirtbag friends messed with her. Sneaking around the class, doing Manson Creepy Crawly furniture moving pranks, the works. Then she screamed THIS IS CHICKENSHIT at the class and ran out. Some kids got detention, there was a substitute for a while.

All kids need is a trigger sometime. They have a teacher that sets off their spidey sense, and they’re already predisposed to dislike muslims, and BAM, recipe for disastah.

I just sat in the back and drew pictures, like I did in every class in jr. high.

Actually, I went to my teaching credential class after that, and explained that I’d confiscated a Bible. One of my classmates said “What was in the Bible?”

I said “The WORD OF GOD, Carol.”

She said, “You mean they were actually reading the Bible?”

They were. Right in the middle of my English class. Just decided that while I was standing there yakking about topic sentences was a good idea for some Bible study.

I did give it back after class was over.

298 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:48:48pm

re: #294 Soap_Man

Lalalala, Jesus was white and spoke english, lalalala~
/:P

299 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:49:19pm

re: #290 TampaKnight

Ron Paul wrote an opinion piece slamming the US military aid in Haiti and called it an “occupation” of the nation.

haha wow, i’m sad to say I’m not surprised.

I remember when that guy first became a national thing with his blimp and being a conservative-against-the-war and whatever, and the libertarian-types I occasionally talk to were ALL ABOUT HIM. And then became very embarrassed and angry at politics in general when his racist and Bircher ties started to emerge.

300 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:49:25pm

re: #277 darthstar

I have a hunch it is a trial balloon.

To me the eye popping quote was this considering it is Salon-
Here we find, in all its splendor and glory, the beauty of Pragmatism as an all-purpose justifying mantra: no matter what position the President takes, even when they’re polar opposites, the President is always right. He’s right when he rejects a preventive detention law and he’s right when he wants one.

301 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:49:32pm

re: #279 torrentprime

HAHAHAHAHA—wait. Religious leaders actually said that? Man, I need to trade my in.

Not the real popular bible thumping self-appointed Christianity spokesmen, no. But I heard it here and there.

302 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:49:48pm

re: #254 torrentprime

Yup. Anyone who can claim that Hussein/Hussain isn’t an extremely difficult name to carry after watching [any right-wing election-related speech from 08] wasn’t paying attention.

Obama had a tough sell with his name. Admirably, the American public cottoned on.

303 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:49:56pm

re: #294 Soap_Man

The heretic responses were mostly about how this scientist had the audacity to suggest Jesus wasn’t a white guy. And a lot of complaints about “liberal” scientists trying to make Jesus more PC, or some bullshit like that.

The picture looks like more like a white guy and a non-white guy.

304 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:06pm
305 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:11pm

re: #294 Soap_Man

The heretic responses were mostly about how this scientist had the audacity to suggest Jesus wasn’t a white guy. And a lot of complaints about “liberal” scientists trying to make Jesus more PC, or some bullshit like that.

Because they thought he really looked like the guy in the Children’s Illustrated Bible?

306 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:15pm
307 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:16pm

THAN a non-white guy.

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:26pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, I went to my teaching credential class after that, and explained that I’d confiscated a Bible. One of my classmates said “What was in the Bible?”

I said “The WORD OF GOD, Carol.”

She said, “You mean they were actually reading the Bible?”

They were. Right in the middle of my English class. Just decided that while I was standing there yakking about topic sentences was a good idea for some Bible study.

I did give it back after class was over.

HAHAHAHAH! I seriously almost shot my energy drink out my nose. Ayiee, you need to be a sit-com writer :D

309 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #290 TampaKnight

Ron Paul wrote an opinion piece slamming the US military aid in Haiti and called it an “occupation” of the nation.

Apologies if I mentioned this once before, but here in CA a local GOP candidate posted an angry denunciation of the aid and attention going to Haiti and that America should be ashamed of itself for caring/giving. The funny part was, all of his “there are children going hungry in American right now!” arguments sounded a lot more like a D than an R.

(No, I’m not saying GOPers don’t care about starving children. By and large, this gentlemen’s comments were a long list of social injustice metrics, which is more likely to come from a D candidate than an R.)
/preemptive defense over

310 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:52pm

I think Paul has made some decent points about our foreign policy over the years…I will say that. But for every good point there is seemingly a fairly off the wall one.

His point about blowback in the Middle East is very real.

311 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:50:59pm

re: #288 Bagua

You deny that you flung out that in a clear attempt to bait Ludwig into over the top insults? If you deny that then you are being incredibly dishonest, as was your misrepresentation of my words from a long thread in which I was arguing against AntiSemitism.

How is simply quoting what you said ‘misinterpretation’? What other interpretation is there that those banks are ‘Jewish-owned’?

And the thread in which you originally posted the allegation was, as you can see by clicking the link, one where you were accusing Obama of antisemitism in the same vein as Rush Limbaugh was, defending Limbaugh’s statements— while Limbaugh was condemned by the ADL.

And I am not at all mistaken, although you chose a post which I corrected and amended shortly after a pimf.

As I said, the two posts are five days apart. You repeated the allegation about Jews owning major banks after I asked you to clarify what you meant.

That was a highly motivated and obviously timed attempt at character assassination, at minimum, apologise and I’ll be happy to discuss whatever details your are confused about.

Again: If posting what you wrote is character assassination, then it’s not me doing the assassinating. You wrote those things. You should take responsibility for them.

312 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:51:17pm
313 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:51:41pm

Obdicut & Bagua, will you guys take it outside, please?

314 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:51:57pm

re: #312 MandyManners

SEEMINGLY?

Yes, seemingly as in I don’t follow every speech and/or interview he gives so I don’t know for sure.

315 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:52:07pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! Missed this earlier about Ezra Pound’s long stay in a mental hospital after WW2:

From Mussolini to Pound to Paul in four easy steps.

316 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:52:24pm

Any good idea that Ron Paul has ever had is completely, and utterly, vaporized by his craziness.

317 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:52:42pm

re: #310 TampaKnight

I think Paul has made some decent points about our foreign policy over the years…I will say that. But for every good point there is seemingly a fairly off the wall one.

His point about blowback in the Middle East is very real.

Blowback from what? For not allowing Israel to be obliterated?

318 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:53:32pm

re: #310 TampaKnight

Which points? Be specific.

319 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:53:42pm

re: #317 Alouette

Blowback from what? For not allowing Israel to be obliterated?

Arming what is now the Taliban, installing the Shah, etc.

320 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:53:48pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

Lalalala, Jesus was white and spoke english, lalalala~
/:P

I give you former Texas Gov. Miriam “Ma” Ferguson (1925-1927) after barred the teaching of foreign languages in schools:

“If English was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for us.”

Thank God the Texas school system isn’t that screwed up any more.

Oh, wait…

321 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:54:06pm

re: #317 Alouette

Blowback from what? For not allowing Israel to be obliterated?

Overthrowing governments leaps to mind. Those ME’ers can be touchy when white Christians try to save them, for some reason.

322 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:54:18pm

re: #313 Alouette

I’m content to never raise the topic again, as I said, if he doesn’t lay that exact charge against others.

As long as Bagua refrains from raising the topic of Jewish control of banks, I won’t talk to him in the least.

323 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:54:43pm
324 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:54:55pm

This link is for you reine.de.tout
LOL Cats today..

325 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:54:55pm

re: #319 TampaKnight

We never “armed the Taliban”. The taliban didn’t exist then, we armed the ISI, hooligans that they were, and trained some Mujahideen.

326 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:55:07pm
327 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:55:13pm

re: #303 Alouette

The picture looks like more like a white guy and a non-white guy.

Well, its certainly not the milky-white super-European Jesus some of us grew up with.

328 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:56:13pm
329 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:56:25pm

Wait, wait, wait… we do NOT drink the blood of Christian babies? Dear Lord, all these years I’ve been doing it wrong! Wait ‘til I tell my friends at the Youngins of Zion.

Unnecessary /

330 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:56:37pm

re: #254 torrentprime

Yup. Anyone who can claim that Hussein/Hussain isn’t an extremely difficult name to carry after watching [any right-wing election-related speech from 08] wasn’t paying attention.

Quite Concur. It looks like her only ‘offense’ was not to subscribe to the prevailing local theology.

331 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:56:54pm

re: #328 MandyManners

What next? You’re gonna’ claim we created bin Laden?

Do you doubt that we did either of those things?

And are you always this combative?

332 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:57:18pm

*Gets popcorn*

333 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:57:22pm
334 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:57:31pm

re: #331 TampaKnight

Do you doubt that we did either of those things?

And are you always this combative?

Have you met Mandy?

335 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:57:40pm

re: #331 TampaKnight

Do you doubt that we did either of those things?

And are you always this combative?

Only when she’s run out of rope.

336 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:57:52pm
337 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:58:09pm

re: #328 MandyManners

What next? You’re gonna’ claim we created bin Laden?

So, aside from the crucial “they were under a different name at the time” exception to arming bands of hooligans, which part of TampaKnight’s statement was wrong? Or was the plan just to leap to Bin Laden and skip the rationale?

(If I too should piss up a rope, let me know)

338 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #333 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

Did we not arm the Afghan freedom fighters which in turn became the Taliban?

Did we not overthrow the Iranian government and install our puppet Shah?

339 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:59:28pm
340 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:59:42pm

re: #265 MandyManners

A teacher must command respect, not demand it.

Time for a funny class story: Take a little break..
So I’m in 8th grade math with Mr. White..And I hated math in those days..
But you may not believe this but if you can play a little sports people will give you the answers.. I had every answer to every of Mr. Whites Math tests..
( Yes it’s called cheating..Forgive me God..I was a kid..spare the ding )
So I’m sitting me the back doing pretty good in his class.. I stuck to B’s.. No sense going over board…
The problem with scoring well on Mr. White’s Math class is that he started calling on me all the time.. He was making it a point to shame me with the class a couple times a day..I could explain my right answers.. and he knew it..
Folks..His method of questioning was just killing me…I had more people laughing at me than if I did a stand-up…Brutal
So I got a plan…I would study a test and give a good showing in the class and ask a lucid, Studied, thoughtful question and slide out of this jam.
So sure enough.. I raise my hand and pointed to a chapter and ask some great question about my missed formula….
There was a real long Silence.. Then he looked up slowly and said ’ That problem is on next weeks test ‘…
Man was I busted….I studied the wrong question…
I had to actually to studying math to pass.. I never got in trouble..Just shamed by Mr. White…Great teacher

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:59:59pm

re: #338 TampaKnight

Monday morning quarterbacking is very easy.

Making difficult decisions is very hard.

342 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:00:05pm
343 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:00:09pm

re: #339 MandyManners

I said BIN LADEN.

Yea, you did. But only in a lame attempt to drag me into some straw man argument about Bin Laden when I was merely asserting the above points.

344 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:01:18pm
345 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:01:22pm

re: #343 TampaKnight

Yea, you did. But only in a lame attempt to drag me into some straw man argument about Bin Laden when I was merely asserting the above points.

What’s the point of your points, just out of curiosity?

346 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:01:38pm
347 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:01:51pm

re: #325 Thanos

We never “armed the Taliban”. The taliban didn’t exist then, we armed the ISI, hooligans that they were, and trained some Mujahideen.

Yeah, there was a passage in Peggy Noonan’s book about her years at the White House where the Mujadeen show up. She thought they were charming.

348 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:02:05pm

re: #299 WindUpBird

haha wow, i’m sad to say I’m not surprised.

I remember when that guy first became a national thing with his blimp and being a conservative-against-the-war and whatever, and the libertarian-types I occasionally talk to were ALL ABOUT HIM. And then became very embarrassed and angry at politics in general when his racist and Bircher ties started to emerge.

At least they had the sense to get embarrassed and angry. Did you read about the guy in the Robert friggin’ Taft Society who was surprised at the outrage when he invited Nick Griffin to speak at his college campus? He’s going to study to become a better person.

…I realize this has been difficult, and has created a rift. I’m willing to try to correct that, to learn a lesson, and go on with life, if you’re all willing to go on with life as well. I’ll not go out in search of controversy or extreme methods to incite discussion, however curious I may be. The Taft Society will exercise better and more sensitive judgment with regard to who we bring to campus. I should really thank you all for persuading us toward the right course of action, and indeed I do thank you for that.
349 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:02:08pm

re: #339 MandyManners

I said BIN LADEN.

Yes, he was your “comeback” to the arming-the-ISI and Shah points; you did however fail to address those points before putting words in TK’s mouth.

If you get lost again, let one of us know; we’re happy to help.

350 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:02:18pm

re: #345 cliffster

What’s the point of your points, just out of curiosity?

Someone asked me which events have created blowback in the Middle East.

It was in reference to a “few good points” that Ron Paul has made over the years.

I don’t know where the argument even came from.

351 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:03:15pm

re: #339 MandyManners

I said BIN LADEN.

OBL was with the Afghan freedom fighters we were training and supplying.
Blowback.

352 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:03:28pm

re: #345 cliffster

What’s the point of your points, just out of curiosity?

It was hinted at that blowback against America for our actions was limited to outrage that we hadn’t allowed Israel’s destruction. Several people pointed out that we had, in fact, done a bit more.

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:04:27pm

re: #351 Olsonist

OBL was with the Afghan freedom fighters we were training and supplying.
Blowback.

Then who were the Northern Alliance? The ones fighting the Afgan gubment.

354 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:04:53pm

re: #351 Olsonist

But we didn’t ‘create him’, any more than the German Army from WWI created Hitler.

355 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:04:56pm

re: #350 TampaKnight

Ah. And you think that if we had done nothing at all, then they would consider us best friends?

356 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:05:26pm

Gasoline with Carrot juice
You get Beta miles!

357 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:04pm

re: #356 HoosierHoops

And don’t need headlights.

358 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:06pm

re: #355 cliffster

Ah. And you think that if we had done nothing at all, then they would consider us best friends?

Nope, nor did I say that. But to deny the unintended consequences is ignorant.

359 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:07pm

re: #349 torrentprime

Talking like that to Mandy isn’t smart. She’ll bite your head off and I won’t do a thing to stop her.

360 soap_man  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:12pm

*Soap takes out a thermometer and takes temperature of the room. He pulls it out of the air and looks*

Well, looks like time to head on out.

361 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:15pm

Hello LGF.
Is everybody happy?

362 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:46pm

re: #355 cliffster

Ah. And you think that if we had done nothing at all, then they would consider us best friends?

If we hadn’t overthrown a democratic government and installed someone the Americans liked? I’ll bet they would hate us less. What do you think?

363 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:55pm

re: #361 Spare O’Lake

Hello LGF.
Is everybody happy?

Heh.

364 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:06:59pm

re: #347 Olsonist

Yeah, there was a passage in Peggy Noonan’s book about her years at the White House where the Mujadeen show up. She thought they were charming.

There were Mujadeen and Mujadeen.

Massoud was a prince among men and most prescient and precious ally we ever had in the region.

365 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:07:33pm

re: #358 TampaKnight

Nope, nor did I say that. But to deny the unintended consequences is ignorant.

So it was “Blowback” before, now it’s “unintended consequences”. I applaud the change in labeling.

366 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:07:34pm

re: #351 Olsonist

OBL was with the Afghan freedom fighters we were training and supplying.
Blowback.

Sometimes the risks have to be run. Bleeding the Red Army was an important enough project to be worth the blowback we got from it.

367 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:08:06pm

re: #361 Spare O’Lake

Hello LGF.
Is everybody happy?

Don’t worry.. Be Happy
/or duck when all else fails

368 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:08:30pm

re: #358 TampaKnight

We supplied stingers during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, and trained in the use of the same weapons. The rest of that conflict was somewhat out of our control. To imply that we somehow deserved what we got because of that smacks of paulista troofer bullshit, and a defense of Ron Paul that’s totally unmerited. You are an ass.

369 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:09:10pm

re: #365 cliffster

So it was “Blowback” before, now it’s “unintended consequences”. I applaud the change in labeling.

If you think that distinction-without-difference when referring to governmental overthrow changes anything, I applaud the effort that must be put into twisting logic.

370 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:09:15pm

re: #362 torrentprime

If we hadn’t overthrown a democratic government and installed someone the Americans liked? I’ll bet they would hate us less. What do you think?

Since you asked, I think they would pretty much hate us the same, no matter what, unless we decide we were wrong about Israel the whole time.

371 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:09:24pm
372 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:09:38pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Hell, the Red Army was our ally in the WWII, and we knew there was blowback coming from that.

That’s an entire discussion into itself, how we might have handled WWII differently if we knew what was coming down the road.

Awful hard to beat Hitler without the Red Army, though.

373 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:09:47pm

re: #338 TampaKnight

Did we not arm the Afghan freedom fighters which in turn became the Taliban?

One group didn’t simply morph into the other. There was overlap of membership, but not unanimity. The assassination of Ahmad Massoud, a prominent leader against the Soviet occupation, by the Taliban leadership just prior to 9/11 demonstrates that these two groups are not simply transposable with one another.

374 darthstar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:10:02pm

re: #360 soap_man

*Soap takes out a thermometer and takes temperature of the room. He pulls it out of the air and looks*

Well, looks like time to head on out.


Must have been a rectal thermometer.
/

375 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:10:12pm

The two Arab TV journalists who had been hanging around for weeks to secure an interview with the storied Afghan military commander Ahmad Shah Massoud finally got their chance to speak with him on Sept. 9, 2001. They set up their gear and asked a question about Osama bin Laden. Then one of them detonated a bomb hidden in a camera, killing himself and mortally wounding Massoud. The journalists were, in fact, al-Qaeda assassins, and it was bin Laden who had ordered the hit just before the 9/11 attacks on the U.S.

Historians will record Massoud’s assassination as the curtain raiser for the attacks on New York City and Washington D.C. that followed. The Afghan leader was the principal antagonist of the Taliban; by engineering his death bin Laden gave the Taliban something they desperately wanted, and ensured that the Taliban would protect al-Qaeda in Afghanistan after 9/11.

376 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:10:13pm

re: #370 cliffster

Since you asked, I think they would pretty much hate us the same, no matter what, unless we decide we were wrong about Israel the whole time.

That’s fine. “I guess that X” is a whole lot different than “we never did anything to them ever.”

377 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:10:18pm

re: #354 Obdicut

But we didn’t ‘create him’, any more than the German Army from WWI created Hitler.

I didn’t say we created him.

Blowback is essentially the law of unintended consequences. In this case, Brezinski tricked the Russians into invading Afghanistan and then we supplied the Afghans. This created a quagmire not unlike our own in Vietnam. Did it improve the situation for Afghanis? No. Did it come back to haunt us. Yes.

378 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:10:18pm

OT…but EXTRA…!

USA hockey darlings showin’ the USSR babes, “what fore” on the ice in Vancouver….!

USA—5 / USSR—-0
USA 15 shots on goal, Russia only 4…

379 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:10:54pm
380 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:11:02pm

re: #372 Obdicut

Hell, the Red Army was our ally in the WWII, and we knew there was blowback coming from that.

That’s an entire discussion into itself, how we might have handled WWII differently if we knew what was coming down the road.

Awful hard to beat Hitler without the Red Army, though.

Indeed, but best to save that discussion for another day.

381 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:11:08pm

re: #368 Thanos

We supplied stingers during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, and trained in the use of the same weapons. The rest of that conflict was somewhat out of our control. To imply that we somehow deserved what we got because of that smacks of paulista troofer bullshit, and a defense of Ron Paul that’s totally unmerited. You are an ass.

But…what about all those chickens that are coming home to roost? A more nuanced, reality-based explanation doesn’t fit that narrative nearly as well.

382 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:11:34pm

re: #344 Obdicut

re: #371 Bagua

Seriously, can you guys set up a couple of Yahoo addresses and take this elsewhere? And don’t ask the person who asks that to take a side before you’ll consider it.

383 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:12:22pm

OT…but EXTRA…!

USA hockey darlings showin’ the USSR babes, “what fore” on the ice in Vancouver….!

USA—5 / USSR—-0
USA 15 shots on goal, Russia only 4…

384 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:12:58pm

I’m going to attempt to raise myself out of my self-induced paczki semi-coma with Lebanese food. Later.

385 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:00pm

re: #368 Thanos

We supplied stingers during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, and trained in the use of the same weapons. The rest of that conflict was somewhat out of our control. To imply that we somehow deserved what we got because of that smacks of paulista troofer bullshit, and a defense of Ron Paul that’s totally unmerited. You are an ass.

It’s interesting watching people slot opponents into categories with no evidence whatsoever. Apparently, answering an incredulous question on why people in the middle east might have a problem with Americans = believing that we “got what we deserved,” referring, one assumes, to 9/11, even though 9/11 isn’t even being discussed. Fascinating.

386 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:12pm

Personally I think someone’s blowbacking ron paul under the desk.

387 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:13pm

re: #369 torrentprime

If you think that distinction-without-difference when referring to governmental overthrow changes anything, I applaud the effort that must be put into twisting logic.

Two different word choices for what is essentially the same thing can often mean the difference between a very harsh interpretation and a benign one. To point that out hardly constitutes “twisting logic”

388 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:13pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes the risks have to be run. Bleeding the Red Army was an important enough project to be worth the blowback we got from it.

Tell that to the Afghans. Also, it was pretty much pointless because the USSR was falling apart and then fell apart.

389 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:14pm

re: #368 Thanos

Did you see Charlie Wilson’s war?
I’m amazed of the way a lot of that story was about that CIA station chief..
Just took the bull by the horns…You would never see that today in the CIA..
The part was played brilliantly by Hoffman

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:26pm

re: #372 Obdicut

Vizzini: You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” - but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line”! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly,his smile frozen on his face and falls to the right out of camera dead]

Just felt like posting that…

391 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:13:28pm
392 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:14:12pm

re: #385 torrentprime

Some people here have a very low tolerance for liberal condescension. I’m one of them.

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:14:31pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

Ever seen PSH when he wasn’t brilliant?

394 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:15:34pm

re: #382 wrenchwench

I’ve dropped it, as I said.

395 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:15:36pm

re: #385 torrentprime

It’s interesting watching people slot opponents into categories with no evidence whatsoever. Apparently, answering an incredulous question on why people in the middle east might have a problem with Americans = believing that we “got what we deserved,” referring, one assumes, to 9/11, even though 9/11 isn’t even being discussed. Fascinating.

You might try working on your delivery.

396 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:16:05pm

re: #385 torrentprime

Yes. People are human. News at 11.

397 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:16:26pm

re: #391 Bagua

Is it OK for me to get accused of these outrageous distortions on every thread I participate?

It’s ok for me to not have an opinion on that. It’s hard enough to have a grasp on the serious issues discussed here. I don’t have time to read all your comments and all of the comments of those who insult you in order to give a serious answer to your question.

Will you consider my request anyway?

398 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:16:49pm

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever seen PSH when he wasn’t brilliant?

Never…
He was a clerk at a 7-11 story in California when he got discovered…They were looking for his look…Turns out the kid can really act

399 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:17:01pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

No, I haven’t seen it yet. Don’t give away the ending…
:)

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:17:07pm

I’m getting back $359 in taxes.

401 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:17:27pm

re: #388 Olsonist

Tell that to the Afghans. Also, it was pretty much pointless because the USSR was falling apart and then fell apart.

Bogging them down accelerated the process though. The first sentence does nothing for me. I don’t really care about the Afghans as long as they don’t harbor our enemies.

402 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:17:36pm
403 albusteve  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:17:43pm

re: #372 Obdicut

Hell, the Red Army was our ally in the WWII, and we knew there was blowback coming from that.

That’s an entire discussion into itself, how we might have handled WWII differently if we knew what was coming down the road.

Awful hard to beat Hitler without the Red Army, though.

we had the A bomb…we could defeat anybody including Hitler…his occupation of the Soviet Union would have died on the vine….imo

404 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:17:59pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

Heh. I met Jack Black a few years ago, and discovered that Black has wanted and tried for basically every role that PSH has gotten over the past six years.

Be hard to think of Black in some of those roles— but easy in others.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:18:34pm

re: #404 Obdicut

That’s a guy I’d like to have a beer with.

406 zora  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:18:35pm

going to watch the olympics and feed the fam. have a good evening all. Obdicut and Bague have a drink. beer summits rule.

407 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:18:52pm

re: #399 Thanos

No, I haven’t seen it yet. Don’t give away the ending…
:)

The history channel had the real story of Charlie Wilson’s war on was…Should have TIVO’d it..Good back story

408 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:19:01pm

re: #394 Obdicut

I’ve dropped it, as I said.

Now that you mention it, I did have to scroll farther up to find your last one on the subject.

But consider an off-the-blog contact if you need to address the issue again. Maybe set it up in advance, just in case.

409 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:19:41pm

re: #395 cliffster

You might try working on your delivery.

:)

I’m good. Appreciate the concern, though.

410 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:19:49pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That’s a guy I’d like to have a beer with.

get through the whole beer without asking him to sing the tribute to the best song in the world?

411 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:20:28pm

BBL

412 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:21:30pm

re: #387 cliffster

Two different word choices for what is essentially the same thing can often mean the difference between a very harsh interpretation and a benign one. To point that out hardly constitutes “twisting logic”

“can often mean”
In some fact patterns, sure. But fortunately we’re not talking generally here - we’re talking specifics. With that in mind, I’ll rephrase - what is the difference between unintended consequences and blowback with respect to American actions in Iran and Afghanistan?

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:22:22pm

re: #410 cliffster

get through the whole beer without asking him to sing the tribute to the best song in the world?

I have no idea what you are talking about…

414 captdiggs  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:22:47pm

Eustice Mullins = POS
Same for those who praise him.

415 albusteve  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:23:35pm

so what do words mean?….anybody?

416 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:24:38pm

re: #412 torrentprime

“can often mean”
In some fact patterns, sure. But fortunately we’re not talking generally here - we’re talking specifics. With that in mind, I’ll rephrase - what is the difference between unintended consequences and blowback with respect to American actions in Iran and Afghanistan?

Blowback is a tad loaded and implies that one screwed up. Unintended consequences is just that - you did X, X might have been a good idea, but now you have Y and Z to deal with because of it.

417 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:25:00pm

re: #404 Obdicut

Heh. I met Jack Black a few years ago, and discovered that Black has wanted and tried for basically every role that PSH has gotten over the past six years.

Be hard to think of Black in some of those roles— but easy in others.

I like Jack..He is cool.. But he lives as black is a hack with critics for years..
No one will ever ever say that about any role Hoffman plays…He is about 3 years away from being a genius on screen…
/How come Hollywood doesn’t have a Hall of Fame?
I’d run to Bogart’s area..and of course the hot starlet’s areas.
Jeez even Rock and Rollers have a Hall of Frame

418 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:25:14pm

re: #415 albusteve

so what do words mean?…anybody?

I don’t know, Immanuel Kant, what do that mean?

419 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:25:33pm

re: #416 cliffster

Blowback is a tad loaded and implies that one screwed up. Unintended consequences is just that - you did X, X might have been a good idea, but now you have Y and Z to deal with because of it.

And what do you call it when it is both? :)

420 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:25:41pm

re: #368 Thanos

We supplied stingers during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, and trained in the use of the same weapons. The rest of that conflict was somewhat out of our control.

We gave Stingers to a bunch of Mujadeen. Were they moderate Mujadeen?re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Bogging them down accelerated the process though. The first sentence does nothing for me. I don’t really care about the Afghans as long as they don’t harbor our enemies.

The Afghans weren’t harboring our enemies: we tricked the Russians into invading. Bogging down the Russians didn’t accelerated the process. See Chechniya. What accelerated the process was Chernobyl and Three Mile Island and two guys named Reagan and Gorbachev.

421 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:25:54pm

re: #385 torrentprime

It’s interesting watching people slot opponents into categories with no evidence whatsoever. Apparently, answering an incredulous question on why people in the middle east might have a problem with Americans = believing that we “got what we deserved,” referring, one assumes, to 9/11, even though 9/11 isn’t even being discussed. Fascinating.

It’s a thread about Ron Paul and his fans. You and others are defending “blowback” — whether you are on the crazy Kucinich side of the argument or the wingnut Paul side of the argument Doesn’t matter at all.

It boils down to Ron Paul’s implying that we got what we deserved on 9/11, that had we not “meddled” etc …
In essence you are defending Wright, Kucinich, and Paul Isolationism, and you are right on wavelength with Pat Buchanan and the Neo Coughlinites as well. You might as well jump to “little Eichmans” while you are at it so you can get the full meal deal of crazy in.

422 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:26:27pm

(Still talking to self about Massoud…)

“Ahmed Shah Massoud, leader of the Northern Alliance fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, has been trying to get aid from the US but his people are only allowed to meet with low level US officials. In an attempt to get his message across, he addresses the European Parliament: “If President Bush doesn’t help us, these terrorists will damage the US and Europe very soon.” [DAWN (KARACHI), 4/7/2001; TIME, 8/4/2002] A classified US intelligence document states, “Massoud’s intelligence staff is aware that the attack against the US will be on a scale larger than the 1998 embassy bombings, which killed over two hundred people and injured thousands (see 10:35-10:39 a.m., August 7, 1998).” [DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, 11/21/2001 ] Massoud also meets privately with some CIA officials while in Europe. He tells them that his guerrilla war against the Taliban is faltering and unless the US gives a significant amount of aid, the Taliban will conquer all of Afghanistan. No more aid is forthcoming. [WASHINGTON POST, 2/23/2004]

423 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:27:22pm

re: #422 ryannon

Whoah. I’d never seen that before. Thank you.

424 cliffster  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:28:38pm

re: #419 torrentprime

And what do you call it when it is both? :)

Monday morning quarterbacking?

425 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:29:05pm

re: #383 oldegeezr

Mon apologies folks…for the double post.
oldegeezers from Madison get real excited when we’re winnin’ a hockey game.

Second period, USA 6/0 on power play in first 19 seconds…!

426 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:29:32pm

re: #421 Thanos


It boils down to Ron Paul’s implying that we got what we deserved on 9/11, that had we not “meddled” etc … my imputing a man’s statements on you since his statements and your posts both deal with the same nouns (Iran, America) regardless of whether you ever held, defended, or hinted at any of Paul’s positions.
In essence you are defending Wright, Kucinich, and Paul Isolationism, and you are right on wavelength with Pat Buchanan and the Neo Coughlinites as well. You might as well jump to “little Eichmans” while you are at it so you can get the full meal deal of crazy in.


FTFY
Bonus for finding a way to bring Wright in. I never thought believing that we shouldn’t overthrow other countries was just like saying, “God damn America.”

427 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:30:13pm

re: #424 cliffster

Monday morning quarterbacking?

LOL. Well, I’ve heard historians called worse.

428 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:31:28pm

re: #421 Thanos

It’s a thread about Ron Paul and his fans. You and others are defending “blowback” — whether you are on the crazy Kucinich side of the argument or the wingnut Paul side of the argument Doesn’t matter at all.

Fuck that. I can’t stand Ron Paul. I knew about blowback 20 years ago. It’s an intelligence term.

429 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:32:05pm

re: #421 Thanos

PS. Congrats on the nicotine avoidance.

430 albusteve  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:32:14pm

re: #417 HoosierHoops

I like Jack..He is cool.. But he lives as black is a hack with critics for years..
No one will ever ever say that about any role Hoffman plays…He is about 3 years away from being a genius on screen…
/How come Hollywood doesn’t have a Hall of Fame?
I’d run to Bogart’s area..and of course the hot starlet’s areas.
Jeez even Rock and Rollers have a Hall of Frame

the most awful joke imaginable….it’s a fake

431 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:32:45pm

re: #426 torrentprime

Chickens, roosting etc.
We’ve thrashed these topics to death the past few years, you are welcome to revisit them in old threads, you won’t be bringing anything new. Defending Ron Paul and blowback is dense and perverse.

432 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:32:51pm

re: #425 oldegeezr

Mon apologies folks…for the double post.
oldegeezers from Madison get real excited when we’re winnin’ a hockey game.

Second period, USA 6/0 on power play in first 19 seconds…!

Well, you said “EXTRA”. I just took you at your word.

433 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:33:01pm

re: #429 torrentprime

PS. Congrats on the nicotine avoidance.

Thanks

434 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:33:01pm

re: #422 ryannon

Massoud was a useful ally but it wasn’t Massoud that went to the White House and it wasn’t Massoud that we equiped with Stingers.

435 Racer X  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:33:03pm

re: #415 albusteve

so what do words mean?…anybody?

When no one listens - does is matter?

436 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:34:07pm

re: #431 Thanos

Chickens, roosting etc.
We’ve thrashed these topics to death the past few years, you are welcome to revisit them in old threads, you won’t be bringing anything new. Defending Ron Paul and blowback is dense and perverse.

Implying that we’re defending Ron Paul is stupid.

437 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:34:39pm

re: #431 Thanos

Chickens, roosting etc.
We’ve thrashed these topics to death the past few years, you are welcome to revisit them in old threads, you won’t be bringing anything new. Defending Ron Paul and blowback is dense and perverse.

Good thing I’m not defending RP, then. It sounds like you might believe that believing that America has ever made errors in the ME is tantamount to saying that we deserved 9/11. I won’t play in that false dichotomy; I can believe Paul is wrong and that we have done some messed up sh!t in the ME.

438 ryannon  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:34:44pm

re: #423 Obdicut

Whoah. I’d never seen that before. Thank you.

No EU government would officially receive him. He went around telling them exactly what was going to happen next, and asking for help to stop it.
I heard a retransmission of his his speech at the EU Parliament. You would have cried.

439 albusteve  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:35:38pm

re: #437 torrentprime

Good thing I’m not defending RP, then. It sounds like you might believe that believing that America has ever made errors in the ME is tantamount to saying that we deserved 9/11. I won’t play in that false dichotomy; I can believe Paul is wrong and that we have done some messed up sh!t in the ME.

what do you mean…mess up shit?

440 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:35:57pm

re: #430 albusteve

the most awful joke imaginable…it’s a fake

It’s a Hall of Fame.. It’s not a fake…You may not like a few of the people in there..But I have issues about about players in all HOF’s.
It’s a real place….Don’t get all bitter on me Steve…I love music…

441 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:36:18pm

re: #437 torrentprime

Good thing I’m not defending RP, then. It sounds like you might believe that believing that America has ever made errors in the ME is tantamount to saying that we deserved 9/11. I won’t play in that false dichotomy; I can believe Paul is wrong and that we have done some messed up sh!t in the ME.

Ahh but you are defending his blowback theory in a thread specifically about him and his fans. So why other than to be perverse and provocative?

442 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:36:43pm

re: #432 wrenchwench

You’re very kind…
Thanks!

443 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:37:15pm

re: #436 Olsonist

Implying that we’re defending Ron Paul is stupid.

It was the beginning point of the discussion, was it not? You did upding #310, was that not part of this discussion?

444 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:37:43pm

To paraphrase Charles:

Maybe it’s just me, but when someone says that Jews drink the blood of gentile children, I could not possibly care less about his opinions on the Federal Reserve Blowback.

445 albusteve  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:38:18pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

It’s a Hall of Fame.. It’s not a fake…You may not like a few of the people in there..But I have issues about about players in all HOF’s.
It’s a real place…Don’t get all bitter on me Steve…I love music…

it’s a fake, a fraud…people that deserve to be in are not even considered, you know the routine….the museum is pretty cool tho

446 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:38:31pm

re: #441 Thanos

Ahh but you are defending his blowback theory in a thread specifically about him and his fans. So why other than to be perverse and provocative?

The concept that a nation’s actions will ever influence future foreign actions for or against that nation does not belong to Ron Paul, sorry.

447 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:39:22pm

re: #443 wrenchwench

It was the beginning point of the discussion, was it not? You did upding #310, was that not part of this discussion?

Excellent catch. I updinged it pretty quickly because I agree with the concept of blowback, not because I’m defending Ron Paul.

448 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:40:12pm

re: #446 torrentprime

However this thread is about Ron Paul, and you were specifically admiring his genius on blowback. I find that perverse and provocative.

449 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:40:42pm

re: #447 Olsonist

Excellent catch. I updinged it pretty quickly because I agree with the concept of blowback, not because I’m defending Ron Paul.

The danger of the dings!

450 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:42:20pm

re: #448 Thanos

However this thread is about Ron Paul, and you were specifically admiring his genius on blowback. I find that perverse and provocative.

Wow - are you really reduced to out and out lies? I’m getting a whiff of performance art, now.

451 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:42:35pm

re: #448 Thanos

However this thread is about Ron Paul, and you were specifically admiring his genius on blowback. I find that perverse and provocative.

A stopped clock is right twice a day and Ron Paul isn’t the only person to ascribe the destabilizing militarization of Afghanistan to blowback.

452 jaunte  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:42:36pm

A nation’s inactions and actions influences future actions and inactions from other nations. What a useful concept.

453 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:43:13pm

re: #452 jaunte

A nation’s inactions and actions influences future actions and inactions from other nations. What a useful concept.

And apparently Ron Paul came up with it all by himself! :)

454 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:43:46pm

re: #448 Thanos

From what I’ve seen of Olsonist, he’s no Paulinite of any stripe.

Nor am I, and I think blowback is real, too. I do not think that 9/11 was ‘blowback’, however. I think that it would have occurred regardless of our arming of the Afghani. I think it was a result of extremist religious sentiment.

“blowback” would be our inability to get involved with Iran and support the opposition wholeheartedly, due to our previous meddling.

Is that fair enough?

455 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:44:33pm

re: #452 jaunte

A nation’s inactions and actions influences future actions and inactions from other nations. What a useful concept.

Giving Stinger missiles to clans still in the Dark Age might have bad consequences. Who’d a thunk?

456 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:45:25pm

re: #454 Obdicut

Why thank you. That was mighty nice of you.

457 albusteve  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:47:43pm

re: #454 Obdicut

From what I’ve seen of Olsonist, he’s no Paulinite of any stripe.

Nor am I, and I think blowback is real, too. I do not think that 9/11 was ‘blowback’, however. I think that it would have occurred regardless of our arming of the Afghani. I think it was a result of extremist religious sentiment.

“blowback” would be our inability to get involved with Iran and support the opposition wholeheartedly, due to our previous meddling.

Is that fair enough?

yes it is…I agree with that sentiment…there are so many machinations and subterfuge in the ME, involving so many sects, and tribes and countries, ans so much religious zealotry that 9/11 was inevitable

458 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #452 jaunte

A nation’s inactions and actions influences future actions and inactions from other nations. What a useful concept.

Therefor according to blowback theory we should never act at all, there might be some bad consequence.

Signing Kyoto might have given us blowback, joining Copenhagen might give us blowback, WTO == BLowback! G-8== teh badz blowback! Sailing out of a US port might get us blowback….

This is the wavelength the crazies on the right communicate with the crazies on the left on. This is why Kucinich and Paul get along so well together. This is where Alex Jones meets up with UFPJ.

459 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:49:51pm

(To my best knowledge, blowback theory says you will get consequences for what you do, not that you will get consequences and therefore should never do anything)

I’m off. Thanks for the discussion, every1.

460 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:50:13pm

re: #458 Thanos

Well said.

461 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:50:47pm

re: #454 Obdicut

From what I’ve seen of Olsonist, he’s no Paulinite of any stripe.

Nor am I, and I think blowback is real, too. I do not think that 9/11 was ‘blowback’, however. I think that it would have occurred regardless of our arming of the Afghani. I think it was a result of extremist religious sentiment.

“blowback” would be our inability to get involved with Iran and support the opposition wholeheartedly, due to our previous meddling.

Is that fair enough?

I’m not saying you are Luap Norians, I’m saying by defending blowback in a thread specifically about him you aren’t helping your cause. You might as well be there with the Paultards and Kucinich fans.

I’ll accept that you aren’t Paulians, but furthering his political shorthand for isolationism isn’t a good thing long run.

462 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:54:57pm

re: #461 Thanos

I haven’t defended ‘blowback’, beyond what I posted above. If we hadn’t interfered with Iranian politics in the past, they wouldn’t be as distrustful of us.

I’ll accept that you aren’t Paulians, but furthering his political shorthand for isolationism isn’t a good thing long run.

I’m taking it back!

Seriously, my grandfather talked about ‘blowback’. I don’t think it started with Paul. I’m sorry he co-opted it, but we can’t just throw out every word someone decides is theirs.

However, I’ll make an effort to use ‘unintended and unforeseen consequences’— not that i tend to go on about ‘blowback’, since it’s a relatively obvious concept.

Thank you for letting me know it was a Paul-infested word, though.

463 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:56:58pm

re: #462 Obdicut

I haven’t defended ‘blowback’, beyond what I posted above. If we hadn’t interfered with Iranian politics in the past, they wouldn’t be as distrustful of us.

I’m taking it back!

Seriously, my grandfather talked about ‘blowback’. I don’t think it started with Paul. I’m sorry he co-opted it, but we can’t just throw out every word someone decides is theirs.

However, I’ll make an effort to use ‘unintended and unforeseen consequences’— not that i tend to go on about ‘blowback’, since it’s a relatively obvious concept.

Thank you for letting me know it was a Paul-infested word, though.

It tends to get my dander up as it’s shorthand for the populist isolationism crowd on both the left and right, many long discussions about it here over the past few years, some well before RP came on the scene.

464 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:57:26pm

re: #462 Obdicut

Thank you for letting me know it was a Paul-infested word, though.

For myself, I’ll reclaim the English language from Ron Paul. Fuck him.

465 Bagua  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 3:58:22pm

re: #464 Olsonist

For myself, I’ll reclaim the English language from Ron Paul. Fuck him.

Finally something we can all agree with.

466 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 4:03:35pm

re: #464 Olsonist

Well him and Ward Churchill (who borrowed Blowback from Fisk, who borrowed it from the Original 9/11 troofer, who happened to be in the ISI — Hamid Gul. )

467 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 4:09:22pm

re: #466 Thanos

Well him and Ward Churchill (who borrowed Blowback from Fisk, who borrowed it from the Original 9/11 troofer, who happened to be in the ISI — Hamid Gul. )

Fuck them too. They ain’t me. I heard about blowback reading an intelligence column in the Washington Post decades ago. The writer wasn’t making a political or even a foreign policy point.

The point of understanding blowback isn’t to do nothing. It’s to consider the worst case. Where is that Stinger going to end up? If we start a nuclear weapons program under the Shah (we did), what will happen if the Shah gets toppled?

With Stingers maybe you can put in auto-disarming failsafes. With the Shah, there was no reason to give that wacko nukes. None. We had enough nukes.

468 Vambo  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 5:12:49pm

I always thought “The Daily Paul” was a creepy name for a publication — very cult-like and idol-worshippy.

469 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 5:56:31pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Talking like that to Mandy isn’t smart. She’ll bite your head off and I won’t do a thing to stop her.

She bites at people, they bite back.

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 5:57:02pm

re: #347 Olsonist

Yeah, there was a passage in Peggy Noonan’s book about her years at the White House where the Mujadeen show up. She thought they were charming.

Probably were. The Afghan men I’ve met have that Persian courtliness thing down pat.

471 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 5:57:19pm

re: #462 Obdicut

I haven’t defended ‘blowback’, beyond what I posted above. If we hadn’t interfered with Iranian politics in the past, they wouldn’t be as distrustful of us.

Bolded for truth.

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 6:00:25pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes the risks have to be run. Bleeding the Red Army was an important enough project to be worth the blowback we got from it.

Not to mention the fact that the Sovs were running a really brutal and nasty war in Afghanistan…but if they had been anti-Commies, instead of Commies, we wouldn’t have given a damn. Still, we were coming to side of the oppressed at the time.

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 6:03:04pm

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m getting back $359 in taxes.

Are you going to do anything special with it?

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 6:06:12pm

re: #454 Obdicut

From what I’ve seen of Olsonist, he’s no Paulinite of any stripe.

Nor am I, and I think blowback is real, too. I do not think that 9/11 was ‘blowback’, however. I think that it would have occurred regardless of our arming of the Afghani. I think it was a result of extremist religious sentiment.

“blowback” would be our inability to get involved with Iran and support the opposition wholeheartedly, due to our previous meddling.

Is that fair enough?

I don’t think 9/11 had a thing to do with Afghanistan, except that circumstances made it a convenient place for certain people to hang out.

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 6:06:44pm

re: #455 Olsonist

Giving Stinger missiles to clans still in the Dark Age might have bad consequences. Who’d a thunk?

Well, they tried waving swords at the tanks, but it didn’t work as well.

476 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 7:03:53pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

You have to get the timeline right. The Sovs invaded on Dec 24, 1979. And yeah, the Russians were brutal as they are in Chechniya.

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think 9/11 had a thing to do with Afghanistan, except that circumstances made it a convenient place for certain people to hang out.

Not a thing? It is where OBL learned his craft and where he holed up supported by the Taliban and where we went to root him out. I’d say that Afghanistan had a lot to do with 9/11.

477 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 7:18:29pm

re: #476 Olsonist

I should have added that the Sovs weren’t running a brutal war until Brezinski tricked them into invading. So you’ve got a relatively peaceful Afghanistan, a Soviet invasion, AK47s and American Stingers all over the place, a guy named OBL, a religious Taleban that we backed taking over the country and ‘stabilizing’ it, a Taleban giving support to a guy named OBL cuz he fought with them and a religious Taleban that we backed because they were eradicating poppy fields (except when they weren’t).

Afghanistan used to be a hippie haven. Probably it would have been better if we just left well enough alone.

478 Olsonist  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 7:20:19pm

re: #477 Olsonist

And I also should have added that this didn’t do anything to stabilize Pakistan and Pakistan has nukes. But we did have one ally in the region right after 9/11. Iran. Yeah, Iran.

479 paybacktime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 9:26:17pm

eustace mullins is dead?

May eustace mullins fetid soul descend to its proper place in HELL sharing a bunk with SHITler, and may all of eustaces admirers join him in HELL.

I conclude with a prayer…

“Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. He’s gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let’s open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong’ the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!”

480 PayBackTime  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 9:49:40pm

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

Funny that another anti-American “intellectual” anti-semite lives in Italy.

gore vidal.

I wish that Norman Mailer or William F. Buckley actually beat the crap out of vidal - as they each threatened to do.

481 FrumiousFalafel  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:00:38pm

Mazel Tov Charles for bring this out into the public sphere. I especially like the clear (and jarring) juxtaposition of hearing a person talk about Jews drinking the blood of Gentile children versus policy-considerations at the Federal Reserve! It’s kinda like talking about massacring the state of Ohio and in the next sentence asking,”so, what are we going to eat for lunch?” I believe the word “non sequitur” sums those instances up.

In any case, as a Gentile, your tireless and consistent voice against Antisemitism ranks you and your message among the most powerful and influential in the country (since if a “Jew said it” — why, it wouldn’t “count” — since it would be all part of the “conspiracy”).

Your work is much appreciated!

482 amrafel  Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:50:57pm

At the Nizkor website (which monitors antisemites and other unsavory people), nizkor.org , it says “According to analyst Chip Berlet of Political Research Associates, Mullins is quite simply, “the most vicious anti-Semite on the face of the planet.” “

483 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 5:50:17am

re: #478 Olsonist

Ok, if you wish to flail yourself and us with weak tea agitprop over our minor meddling in a region where both the Soviets and China had much greater influence at the time of the meddling — feel free to do so. There’s a reason the army in Iran is called the “Revolutionary” guard, and there’s a reason that every terror group in Afghanistan and Pakistan, whether political, tribal supremacist, or religious are collectively referenced by the inhabitants of the region as “Kalashnikov Culture”. I’m not going to join you in castigating us when our “meddling” was to counter the heavy hand of other interlopers.
We tried it the other way under Pres. Carter and during his term three countries per yr fell to communism.
I’m not sorry for our role or efforts in the region because I think without that interference Israel might not still exist.

Please feel free to flail away however.

484 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 6:05:49am

re: #477 Olsonist

One more note on the Taliban: they bloomed during Clinton’s term, and it was our abandonment of the region rather than our meddling that allowed them to rise to power. We did nothing while Hekmatyar and Hezb i Islami performed ethnic cleansing of Kabul with missiles over three weeks, and it was the supposed moderate socialist rulers of Pakistan who funded the Taliban.

see here.
noblesseoblige.org

485 joe90  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:35:52am

A real eye opener , the mind boggles, so thanks Charles and others.


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