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1 idioma  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 10:56:48pm

I used to stay up all night wondering if there really was a dog.

2 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 10:57:54pm
Has a dog Buddha-nature?
This is the most serious question of all.
If you say yes or no,
You lose your own Buddha-nature.

— The Gateless Gate

Now there's a hole with no bottom!

3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 10:58:31pm

Fuck, I was going to say yes. A dog knows it's natural state. A cat really knows.

4 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:00:52pm

A monk asked Joshu, a Zen master, "Has a dog Buddha-nature or not?"
Joshu replied, "Mu."

The monk then asked Joshu, "Has a cow Buddha-nature?"
The Zen master looked the monk in the eye and replied, "Woof."

5 laZardo  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:04:06pm
6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:07:14pm

Bonsais are retarded trees, BTW.

7 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:09:58pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

Bonsais are retarded trees, BTW.

You Jerk! How dare you insult by brother by using that term!!

/Bristol Palin

8 teleskiguy  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:11:45pm

"The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life." -Frank Zappa

9 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:16:13pm

crooked olympic judges ripping off louie vito

10 sngnsgt  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:16:35pm

Here's a good reason for Sarah Palin to run for President: /

Link

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:18:21pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I upding for the humor, but I generally prefer to leave them out any jokes.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:22:45pm

re: #10 sngnsgt

As I mused in the last thread, perhaps it will take this country suffering a Palin to get a Reagan.

/she doesn't rate

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:22:57pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

I upding for the humor, but I generally prefer to leave them out any jokes.

Fair enough. Normally I leave them out too, but since Bristol did the response to Family Guy (and she's 19, thus not a child), she is fair game this time.

14 freetoken  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:26:27pm
15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:26:40pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Ah, you are hip to something I am not, then. Good point. And what the hell, it's not like wingnuts through out the blogosphere have maintained a sense of consistency on the matter (See anything referring to Megan McCain as a stupid, fat cow.)

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:30:35pm

Speaking of Family Guy...

17 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:39:35pm

Sleep well, all

18 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:58:07pm

Yes.

So I lose it.

19 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:59:38pm

A friend of mine just posted that her daughter's school is closed for the rest of the year because the gym ceiling collapsed under the snow.

And that, my friends, is what's wrong with the educational system in America?

No basketball? No cheerleading? No school.

20 laZardo  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 12:32:31am

Gonna head off to college and get something for my mother's-hair-dye-odors-destroying-my-immune-system-so-I-quickly-caught-the swine flu.

21 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 12:47:48am

Supposedly James O'Keefe has managed to successfully petition his parole officer to leave his parent's house, cross state lines and attend CPAC. So now I guess he'll be there to be honored with CPAC's Impact Award.

Maybe I've seen one too many Law and Order episodes, but that sounds like a pretty permissive parole officer :P.

22 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:02:34am

re: #21 simoom

Supposedly James O'Keefe has managed to successfully petition his parole officer to leave his parent's house, cross state lines and attend CPAC. So now I guess he'll be there to be honored with CPAC's Impact Award.

Maybe I've seen one too many Law and Order episodes, but that sounds like a pretty permissive parole officer :P.

Good. So we can mock the turdy little Tim McVeigh lookalike on live teevee.

23 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:48:54am

I was just watching some video of Sarah Palin on O'Reilly Tuesday. They're discussing the NYT article about extremism in the Tea Party movement.

Palin opens by both pretending there is none and attacking the "mainstream media" messenger, but O'Reilly presses her on it a bit. He brings up the Birthers, militia folks & revolutionary rhetoric and tries to get her to definitively say they shouldn't have a place at the Tea Party table. First she seems to be saying they shouldn't be a part of the debate, but a minute later she goes the other way saying it's their 1st amendment right to ask those questions and it's an example of democracy at work.

24 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:56:51am

^ BTW, did the Tea Party Convention organizers ever do that press conference denouncing Farah's Birther speech (I think it was Fox that reported they planned to).

25 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:21:18am

re: #24 simoom

According to media matters it was just a rumor / speculation and never happened:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Again, if Tea Party organizers didn't want the conference to be viewed as a birther clearinghouse, then they shouldn't have invited Farah, whose only real claim to fame in the past year has been his increasingly deranged obsession with Obama's birth certificate. (FoxNews.com on Farah: His "raison d'etre of late has been to challenge Obama's eligibility to be president.")

But they did invite him.

If Tea Party organizers had pangs of guilt after Farah's speech, they could have denounced his comments. Sure, it would have been incredibly hypocritical, since, again, they invited Farah, and everyone in the Nashville ballroom knew what he was going to talk about. But if organizers wanted, for purely political reasons, to retroactively distance themselves from the debunked conspiracy theory, they could have done that.

But nobody did.

Keep in mind that there was online speculation Saturday that conference leaders were going to hold a press conference to downplay the birther angle.

But the press conference never happened.

There was also speculation that Palin might show some courage Saturday night and, from the Tea Party stage, create her own Sister Souljah moment and denounce the birther garbage.

But Palin did not.

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 3:21:32am

I'm pissed I misses the assassination thread yesterday. I don't really understand why people were calling it murder. There is quite a difference. The way I see it, a murder is the taking of an innocent life. The assassination victim reaped what he sowed.
*spit*

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 3:52:23am

Uh, I won't make any cat jokes. If you have a cat and read this article, it will know so sleep with one eye opened.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

28 Liberal Classic  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:38:13am

Evelyn, a dog having undergone
Further modification
Pondered the significance of short person behavior
In pedal depressed panchromatic resonance
And other highly ambient domains
"Arf" she said

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:43:34am

re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heh... Why not? What makes a kitty more special than a piggy?

30 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:46:53am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh... Why not? What makes a kitty more special than a piggy?

My mom had a pet pig at one point. I am a chicken, pig, cow guy. I don't eat any other animals. Someone tried to give me deer meat once, after telling me I would never know it. Guess what? I knew.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:47:45am

re: #19 Cato the Elder

Same thing happened in Blacksburg, VA... (or are we talking about the same place?)... They've moved classes to the middle school.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:49:35am

re: #30 Cannadian Club Akbar

Whenever someone would offer me venison, I'd say, "No thanks, I don't care for venison."

The response was generally universal...

"That's 'cause you've never had it when I made it."

Guess what? The way they made it always sucked too.

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:52:58am

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There is a dish in France where they strangle a baby duck and cook it in its own blood. How's that sound?

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:54:41am

re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar

French. Well, maybe Scottish. British? Chinese? Cajun? ...

35 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:56:45am

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cajun usually requires something that lives in the water and lives in a shell. And please, no Sponge Bob references.:)

36 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 4:59:14am

This quote really reminded me of one of my favorite books, The Temple of the Golden Pavillion by Yukio Mishima.

There's a Zen koan in there called "Nansen Kills a Cat", the (interpreted) meaning(s) of which foreshadow the entire story. It's amazingly brilliant and to anyone interested in Buddhist philosophy, psychology, or Japanese history (as it's based on a true story)--or even a just a good read--and I cannot recommend the book enough.

Once the monks of the eastern and western Zen halls in Nansen's temple were quarreling about a cat. As he saw this, Nansen held up the cat and said, "You monks! If one of you can say a word, I will not slay the cat." No one could answer. Nansen cut the cat in two.

Nansen told Joshu what had happened, and asked him for his view. Joshu thereupon took his sandals, put them upon his head and went away. Nansen lamented, and said sorely, "If only you had been there, I could have spared the cat."

37 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:03:19am

Ah! Whaddaya know, the koan "Nansen Kills a Cat" is Number 14 from The Gateless Gate.

38 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:03:19am

re: #36 stayfrosty

I'm pretty stoopid, so, what is the significance of sandals on the head?

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:04:34am

re: #36 stayfrosty

What kind of asshole would kill a cat to prove a minor point?

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:05:10am

re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What kind of asshole would kill a cat to prove a minor point?

Maybe he was gonna make stew.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:05:59am

re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, shit. The thread just became a canon.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:07:02am

re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar

(psst. frosty probably thinks we're pretty dumb... heh)

Well, he's right!

43 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:07:41am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, shit. The thread just became a canon.

Thread 2 days ago, death penalty. Yesterday, torture. Today, cats.

44 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:08:08am

[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Joe Biden's Iraq 'Achievement'
"...Victory has a thousand fathers and Mr. Biden is but one of the many phonies. Historians may credit the Obama administration with a degree of reluctant follow-through on SOFA. But even this is a change from Mr. Obama's own 2008 cut-and-run campaign platform, which, if implemented, would have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory."

45 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:08:29am

re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm pissed I misses the assassination thread yesterday. I don't really understand why people were calling it murder. There is quite a difference. The way I see it, a murder is the taking of an innocent life. The assassination victim reaped what he sowed.
*spit*

Definition:

Assassination:

The murder of someone famous or important

46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:08:36am

re: #38 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm pretty stoopid, so, what is the significance of sandals on the head?

Mumon's Commentary

What is the meaning of Joshu's putting his sandals on his head? If you can give a turning word concerning this matter, you will be able to see that Nansen's command was not meaningless. But if you can't, look out! Danger!

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:09:54am

re: #45 Bagua

He was important, no? Not to us but to humanity.

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:09:55am

re: #43 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thread 2 days ago, death penalty. Yesterday, torture. Today, cats.


DEATH! BY CAT TORTURE!

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:11:34am

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it was Jadespring who ran out of TP and had a long ride to get more and someone suggested she use the cat. Heh.

50 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:12:38am

re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar

He was important, no? Not to us but to humanity.

Important in an evil sense, important enough to warrant a team of good people risking their lives to end his.

51 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:13:59am

re: #38 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wouldn't want to ruin the book for anyone, but basically the book is about the (Zen) Buddhist struggle with desire--specifically, a Zen monk's obsession with the Temple of the Golden Pavilion in Kyoto. The story revolves around beauty as an object of desire. And of course, desire is a bad thing in Buddhism.

The koan's interpreted many ways by different characters throughout the book, but basically I think it goes like this: When confronted with something that creates desire, there are 2 options: destroy the object of desire, as Nansen did, or simply remove one's ability to desire it.

In many Eastern cultures, shoes are seen as extremely filthy and unclean (both literally and in a religious sense). Joshu put his shoes on his head as a demonstration that he has no concept of selfishness and thus no desires. Had the other monks been more like him, they wouldn't have desired the kitten in the first place, and it wouldn't have been killed by Nansen.

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:14:34am

re: #50 Bagua

Important in an evil sense, important enough to warrant a team of good people risking their lives to end his.

Joo-Liz (top comment) had the best comment. I wasn't here for the treat so I could only read.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:15:33am

re: #51 stayfrosty

I just read case 14.

Was an interesting story (once I grabbed some context).

Thanks.

Stay Frosty, now.

54 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:16:15am

re: #51 stayfrosty

Thank you.

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:17:14am

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Treat=thread, pimf

56 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:18:00am

If you guys find any of that interesting I really recommend the novel. It's a fast read, thought provoking, and above all, really entertaining.

57 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:19:00am

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Joo-Liz (top comment) had the best comment. I wasn't here for the treat so I could only read.

Read through it, the terrorist got no sympathy here.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:19:53am

re: #44 Taqyia2Me

He had no qualms about giving the credit to the current Administration. Those guys are the definition of "hubris".

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:20:15am

re: #57 Bagua

Read through it, the terrorist got no sympathy here.

I'm pretty sure Mandy was actually dancing.

60 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:20:40am

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anecdotal evidence the other way...

My sister-in-law was adamant about not liking venison saying it tasted too gamey. (This was on a Christmas Eve morning with my brother was preparing venison backstrap and fried eggs - which was a traditional breakfast that day for a few years while I was deer hunting.) My brother and I both rolled our eyes while she wasn't looking.

Then he had her try *one* piece. (it was cooked medium rare in olive oil with just a dusting of a steak spice mix.) She ate that, and then demolished the full third share my brother had put aside.

You definitely can tell venison apart from the other meats. And a lot depends on how the meat was aged and cooked. And there is a lot of variety in meat quality between deer as well. Not like they're uniformly fed corn in a feed lot for a few weeks.

61 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:20:41am

re: #44 Taqyia2Me

I saw that and it really pissed me off. I listen regularly to the Mark Levin Show podcast and a day or 2 ago he played a bunch of clips of Biden on the Senate floor opposing the surge in the most doomsaying language, saying it wouldn't work at all and would lead to us having to completely withdrawal as the country disintegrates. And now this.

62 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:21:40am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm pretty sure Mandy was actually dancing.

Mandy has her heart in the right place.

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:23:17am

re: #62 Bagua

Mandy has her heart in the right place.

Yea she does. It was just funny because every 15 or so comments she would say, "Did ya hear who was killed." Heh.

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:25:02am

re: #63 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone was killed?

65 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:25:40am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone was killed?

Not in my eyes.:)

66 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:25:46am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He had no qualms about giving the credit to the current Administration. Those guys are the definition of "hubris".

Quintessential steaming flatulent gasbag, VP Biden is.

67 RogueOne  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:29:07am

Drive-by "have a good day people" post!

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:29:14am

re: #66 Taqyia2Me

Quintessential steaming flatulent gasbag, VP Biden is.

There was a story with someone at the Olympics obsessed with Biden, actually got close to him, but I can't find it.

69 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:30:05am

re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not in my eyes.:)

Some fool made this comment:

You know, I've read all these comments about "He was a terrorist. He had it coming. Good Riddance" etc etc

And I'm sure you'd all agree, then, that if only the South African Govt would have taken out that awful terrorist, Nelson Mandela, in a similar way, it would have made things so much better.

I'm sure we all remember that Umkhonto we Sizwe was declared a terrorist organisation by the US, as well as the South African Govt.

Or is it only terrorists that we don't like we like to cheer about?

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:30:14am

re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar

Here it is...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:31:17am

re: #69 Bagua

Did that make the bottom 10?

72 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:32:55am

re: #69 Bagua

Some sheeple will never get it. Rather talk about "lofty morals" and snear down their nose with contempt.

Phft.

73 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:35:07am

re: #72 Ericus58

Some sheeple will never get it. Rather talk about "lofty morals" and snear down their nose with contempt.

Phft.

Sort of like ,,,, well ,,,, "PHFT" !?!?!?

9just sayin!!)

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:35:21am

re: #72 Ericus58

Some sheeple will never get it. Rather talk about "lofty morals" and snear down their nose with contempt.

Phft.

I pray that if we ever catch OBL we don't kill him. He needs to be in Denver for life.

75 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:36:23am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

I pray that if we ever catch OBL we don't kill him. He needs to be in Denver for life.

I think it would be a beautiful irony for him to wind up a captive in the system he fought against for his whole life, but my gut feeling is that he's Hellfire missile residue somewhere in central Asia.

76 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:37:50am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did that make the bottom 10?

Not a single ding, made on a dead thread. I just replied.

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:37:53am

re: #75 thedopefishlives

I think it would be a beautiful irony for him to wind up a captive in the system he fought against for his whole life, but my gut feeling is that he's Hellfire missile residue somewhere in central Asia.

I think his minions are ordered to kill him if we get close. And don't get me wrong, kill everyone else, but yes, the irony would be tasty.

78 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:38:07am

re: #44 Taqyia2Me

Here's another LA Times opinion piece on this, with video:

Los Angeles Times' Top of the Ticket: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

... Many Americans recall the ex-Sen. Biden's Democratic primary plans to give in to Iraq's fractious factions and carve the country into three territories. And even more probably recall Biden's boss' plan to halt the Iraq war years ago. As long as it got started anyway without the permission of the then state senator.

Plus, of course, the vehement opposition of the Nobel Prize winner to the 2007 American troop surge of you-know-who from Texas that Obama knew for certain was only going to worsen sectarian strife there. (See 2007 video here.)....

Well, of course, it didn't turn out that way, thanks in large measure to the brave service of hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops who served in that war-torn land and helped peace to break out despite the loud political acrimony back home over their role.

Now, the Obama-Biden pair that opposed the Iraq war and its tactics and predicted their failure is prepared to accept credit for its success.

(snip)

79 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:38:59am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

I pray that if we ever catch OBL we don't kill him. He needs to be in Denver for life.

I always envisioned somethimg like this

Build a 100+ story building in the middle of a desert
Leave OBL on the roof with no doors or way off
Fly a remote controlled 747 past the building, each pass bringing it closer and closer

(i'm sure you can see where the 'last' pass goes)

80 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:40:11am

Morning everyone.

Here's an Olympic Dream, Pearls style.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:40:31am

re: #79 sattv4u2

I always envisioned somethimg like this

Build a 100+ story building in the middle of a desert
Leave OBL on the roof with no doors or way off
Fly a remote controlled 747 past the building, each pass bringing it closer and closer

(i'm sure you can see where the 'last' pass goes)

When does the gubment plant the bombs for the controlled demolition?
/kook, off

82 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:41:47am

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

When does the gubment plant the bombs for the controlled demolition?
/kook, off

Oh ,, I forgot that. We also need all Jews to be called that day and told not to go into the desert!!
/

83 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:42:06am

re: #82 sattv4u2

Oh ,, I forgot that. We also need all Jews to be called that day and told not to go into the desert!!
/

After their last trip into the desert, I don't think that's a phone call we'll have to be making.

84 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:42:35am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

I pray that if we ever catch OBL we don't kill him. He needs to be in Denver for life.

Actually, not for life. Just 'til he gets the needle. My bad.

85 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:46:01am

>

re: #83 thedopefishlives

After their last trip into the desert, I don't think that's a phone call we'll have to be making.

Prolly why they picked Florida as a retirement destination instead of Arizona!!!
/

86 badger1  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:46:39am

re: #78 stayfrosty

Excellent.

87 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:49:07am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did that make the bottom 10?

These days comparing a Hamas terrorist to Nelson Mandela does not rate such attention, alternatively, I have 2 comments in the bottom 10 for making a factual statement that is vaguely critical of AGW. Priorities have changed.

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:51:22am

re: #87 Bagua

These days comparing a Hamas terrorist to Nelson Mandela does not rate such attention, alternatively, I have 2 comments in the bottom 10 for making a factual statement that is vaguely critical of AGW. Priorities have changed.

The United States "out" on AGW is the fact that we will do little unless India and China get on board, and we know they won't.

89 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:52:40am

re: #79 sattv4u2

I always envisioned somethimg like this

Build a 100+ story building in the middle of a desert
Leave OBL on the roof with no doors or way off
Fly a remote controlled 747 past the building, each pass bringing it closer and closer

(i'm sure you can see where the 'last' pass goes)

You know, when 9/11 happened, the first thought through my mind was "Where did they get the empty planes?".

The idea that they would take planes fully loaded with innocent people and deliberately fly those people into buildings was too horrific to even enter my mind. But of course that's exactly what they did.

90 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:55:00am

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

The United States "out" on AGW is the fact that we will do little unless India and China get on board, and we know they won't.

India is pissed off now that they have discovered they were being conned on the glaciers. The alarmist game is falling apart.

91 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:55:25am

re: #89 reine.de.tout

Anytime I think back on that day and feel sadness, I go back and watch this:

And then I feel better.

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:56:32am

re: #90 Bagua

India is pissed off now that they have discovered they were being conned on the glaciers. The alarmist game is falling apart.

I don't really follow everything. I just do my part: recycle, keep low power bills, etc.

93 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:58:04am

re: #89 reine.de.tout

You know, when 9/11 happened, the first thought through my mind was "Where did they get the empty planes?".

The idea that they would take planes fully loaded with innocent people and deliberately fly those people into buildings was too horrific to even enter my mind. But of course that's exactly what they did.

Hard for us "normal" people to fathom what depths the truely sick minds that come up with things like that. Sure, we can 'see" it on a TV show or movie, but here we are almost a decade later and it still is beyond me that it happened in real life

NEVER FORGET!

94 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:59:43am

"All the trouble starts when someone starts treating people like things."

- Granny Weatherwax

95 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 5:59:54am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't really follow everything. I just do my part: recycle, keep low power bills, etc.

I do my part too, burning energy to keep the economy rolling.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:00:20am

re: #93 sattv4u2

Last time I was in NYC, I bought a panoramic pic of the NYC skyline. It's about 30 inches wide by 8 inches high. Coolest fucking thing I own.

97 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:01:01am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't really follow everything. I just do my part: recycle, keep low power bills, etc.

I live in Japan. You would not believe the degree to which we have to sort garbage here. I have a chart on my kitchen wall that's about 18 inches by 24 inches detailing the almost a dozen different types of trash I have to sort and what days throughout the month I can dispose of them. What sucks is when I miss the disposal day for some obscure garbage such as beer cans and have to wait 2 weeks for the next one. haha

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:02:21am

re: #97 stayfrosty

Buy a little keg cooler and purchase pony kegs. Problem solved.:)

99 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:02:38am

re: #97 stayfrosty

What sucks is when I miss the disposal day for some obscure garbage such as beer cans and have to wait 2 weeks for the next one. haha

What REALLY sucks is that all those pick-ups end up in the same place in the same dumpster!!
///

100 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:03:19am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Last time I was in NYC, I bought a panoramic pic of the NYC skyline. It's about 30 inches wide by 8 inches high. Coolest fucking thing I own.

When I was in college, I made friends with a local guy who is a collector of antique leather, which includes firefighters' boots. He owns a pair of FDNY boots - I can't remember how he got them, but the original owner wasn't dead, I don't think. Anyhow, they still had concrete dust and debris from Ground Zero on them, and he had them proudly displayed as the centerpiece of his collection.

101 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:03:54am

re: #99 sattv4u2

What sucks is when I miss the disposal day for some obscure garbage such as beer cans and have to wait 2 weeks for the next one. haha

What REALLY sucks is that all those pick-ups end up in the same place in the same dumpster!!
///

Haha, the Japanese are very meticulous about their garbage sorting. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't properly disposed of. They just don't have the room!

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:04:41am

re: #100 thedopefishlives

Wow.

103 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:04:46am

re: #101 stayfrosty

Which giant monster is in charge of enforcement for handling violators?

104 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:04:47am

re: #94 oaktree

"All the trouble starts when someone starts treating people like things."

- Granny Weatherwax

“Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man!”

-The Dude

105 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:04:49am

re: #97 stayfrosty

I live in Japan. You would not believe the degree to which we have to sort garbage here. I have a chart on my kitchen wall that's about 18 inches by 24 inches detailing the almost a dozen different types of trash I have to sort and what days throughout the month I can dispose of them. What sucks is when I miss the disposal day for some obscure garbage such as beer cans and have to wait 2 weeks for the next one. haha

In Britain it gets stored in warehouses, or sent to China for 'recycling', mostly a feel good scam with no actual energy or resource savings.

106 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:04:51am

re: #101 stayfrosty

Haha, the Japanese are very meticulous about their garbage sorting. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't properly disposed of. They just don't have the room!

I know ,,, i've been there on business,, It was totally tongue in cheek

107 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:05:51am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Buy a little keg cooler and purchase pony kegs. Problem solved.:)

Or switch to liquor.

108 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:06:21am

re: #107 Mad Al-Jaffee

Or switch to liquor.

I think you know where I stand.:)

109 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:08:37am

re: #107 Mad Al-Jaffee

Or switch to liquor.

When I drink liquor in Japan, it's almost always Maker's Mark on the rocks, or with Coke and a slice of lime.

But really I'm in love with Japanese beer, so I drink it most often.

110 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:09:25am

Our trash and recycling pickup was delayed a week by all of the snow, then President's Day. I had way too many cans and bottles to fit in the recycling bin. I ended up putting lots of them in trash bags and putting them with the regular trash. They don't fine us for that here, or at least not yet.

111 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:10:15am

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow.

Yeah. It was surreal. He was an avid supporter of FDNY and even went to the effort to run a memorial website for one of the Manhattan ladder houses. He'd always have some new story for us whenever we'd swing out to visit him.

112 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:11:47am

re: #109 stayfrosty

When I drink liquor in Japan, it's almost always Maker's Mark on the rocks, or with Coke and a slice of lime.

But really I'm in love with Japanese beer, so I drink it most often.

I can't imagine how much Maker's much cost there. It's expensive here and I know in Japan things are much more inflated.

113 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:12:50am

re: #111 thedopefishlives

Our local firefighters do "boot drives" (I'm sure they do it everywhere) where they hang out at intersections and collect money for charity or whatever. I HATE it when I don't have money for them.:(

114 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:18:09am

Good morning lizards!

What is it with the left's obsession with Sarah Palin's son Trig and the disgusting jokes?

"...while we were off, Sarah Palin agreed to do commentary at Fox News. Which is actually very similar to her day job - talking to a baby with Down Syndrome."

~Bill Maher

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:19:05am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Bill Maher is a douchebag.

116 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:19:38am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

What is it with the left's obsession with Sarah Palin's son Trig and the disgusting jokes?

~Bill Maher

It's okay to make fun of a public figure's kid, as long as they're conservative.

117 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:19:53am

re: #112 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can't imagine how much Maker's much cost there. It's expensive here and I know in Japan things are much more inflated.

I usually drink it when I'm out at the bar/club, so I'm buying it by the glass. I'd say on average a glass costs about $6. A bottle would be pretty steep I'm sure.

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:20:43am

re: #117 stayfrosty

I usually drink it when I'm out at the bar/club, so I'm buying it by the glass. I'd say on average a glass costs about $6. A bottle would be pretty steep I'm sure.

Six bucks isn't actually bad for going Top Shelf.

119 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:21:14am

re: #117 stayfrosty

I usually drink it when I'm out at the bar/club, so I'm buying it by the glass. I'd say on average a glass costs about $6. A bottle would be pretty steep I'm sure.

That's about the same price (probably less!) you would pay for a shot in DC.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:21:28am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bill Maher is a douchebag.

And the left thinks he's the cat's meow.

121 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:21:28am

If you meet the Buddha on the road,
Downding him.

122 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:21:59am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bill Maher is a douchebag.

Whay are you insulting douchebags !?!?!

123 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:22:13am

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think there's a schedule for some of the intersections I go through. Fire departments doing "boot" drives, college students canning for one charity or another, and then other adult groups collecting.

Alternately there's the weekly nut protest signs up at an intersection near a mall in King of Prussia. Usually anti-abortion, but their signage went a little kooky in the run-up to the election in 2008. Feel sorry for the children dragged into it, especially when it's pouring rain out.

124 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:22:14am

'Malaria and weak bones' may have killed Tutankhamun


The Egyptian "boy king" Tutankhamun may well have died of malaria after the disease ravaged a body crippled by a rare bone disorder, experts say.

The findings could lay to rest conspiracy theories of murder.

The scientists in Egypt spent the last two years scrutinising the mummified remains of the 19-year old pharaoh to extract his blood and DNA.

This revealed traces of the malaria parasite in his blood, the Journal of the American Medical Association says.

125 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:23:37am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

What is it with the left's obsession with Sarah Palin's son Trig and the disgusting jokes?

~Bill Maher

When you're on the correct side of the left/right divide, that makes you morally superior. And when you're morally superior, everything you do and say is okay.

/ Saw that in a lefty cartoon ages ago, lambasting an even-further lefty example of arrogance.

126 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:23:42am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's about the same price (probably less!) you would pay for a shot in DC.

I'm moving to DC in the Fall. If a glass of MM costs more there than here I'mma be pissed!

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:23:43am

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

Nice broad brush there. About as broad as someone saying that all the right worships Rush Limbaugh.

I think they're both irrational blowhards, so I guess that puts me right in the middle.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:23:54am

Taliban ammunition 'running low'

We can fix that. Let send them thousands of rounds today.

129 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:24:00am

re: #124 NJDhockeyfan

'Malaria and weak bones' may have killed Tutankhamun

No, it was the Jooooooz!

130 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:25:53am

re: #126 stayfrosty

I'm moving to DC in the Fall. If a glass of MM costs more there than here I'mma be pissed!

Depends where you go. I'm sure a bottle is cheaper here than there.

131 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:26:16am

re: #127 oaktree

If you're here, you're probably middle left or middle right, although we have far right and far left as well. But that makes it fun.:)

132 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:26:34am

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

It really chaps my friends' asses when I order it with Coke and lime. They don't think I should be wasting such a good bourbon on a mixed drink. But really I can taste the difference!

133 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:27:40am

re: #130 Mad Al-Jaffee

Depends where you go. I'm sure a bottle is cheaper here than there.

Well that's good. I guess I'll stick with beer at the bars.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:28:02am

re: #132 stayfrosty

It really chaps my friends' asses when I order it with Coke and lime. They don't think I should be wasting such a good bourbon on a mixed drink. But really I can taste the difference!

I drink CC with a splash of Pepsi when I drink liquor.

135 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:28:47am

re: #132 stayfrosty

It really chaps my friends' asses when I order it with Coke and lime. They don't think I should be wasting such a good bourbon on a mixed drink. But really I can taste the difference!

I drink it (and pretty much any whiskey) neat or on the rocks. Don't drink Coke at all.

136 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:29:24am

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

I drink CC with a splash of Pepsi when I drink liquor.

Haha, I would have never guessed it.

137 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:29:28am

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think I'm a sort of zig-zag. Social liberal and Fiscal conservative.

With a huge dollop of cynicism for the "business as usual and the party comes first" way the upper levels of our government appears to actually work. Plus the irrational screed basis that politics has fallen to (or, to be more accurately, has never risen above.)

138 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:30:04am

re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee

I drink it (and pretty much any whiskey) neat or on the rocks. Don't drink Coke at all.

I guess it just depends on my mood. Both taste great to me.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:30:10am

When I bought my house I almost bought a bottle of Crown Royal as a house warming gift. Price:$1600. I decided against it.

140 oldegeezr  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:33:06am

Big Dick, recently exercised his Buddha…!
Caution: AlterNet, link…

141 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:33:56am

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I bought my house I almost bought a bottle of Crown Royal as a house warming gift. Price:$1600. I decided against it.

Wait, I had no idea Crown got that expensive.

The most expensive Whisky I've purchased recently was a bottle of Yamazaki Single Malt Old (Aged 18 Years) for my brother's birthday. He's a whisky & cigar lover. He said it was as good as Maker's Mark. Unfortunately I've never tried it since I can't justify the price.

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:35:32am

re: #124 NJDhockeyfan

'Malaria and weak bones' may have killed Tutankhamun

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist..

143 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:35:51am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm posting this as a big fish alert as officials in Afghanistan and Pakistan have announced the capture of several bigwigs - 2 Taliban "shadow governors" in Afghanistan, and a major associate to bin Laden in Pakistan. The Pakistanis arrested nine in Karachi, including one identified as Ameer Muawiya who's believed to be responsible for foreign al-Qaida militants operating in Pakistan's frontier provinces along the Afghan/Pakistani border. The increased pace of arrests, captures, and intel is having a multiplier effect - more intel yields more airstrikes, captures, and still more intel.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:36:37am

re: #141 stayfrosty

Oh, please. Sam Adams put out some beers that were $250 a bottle. Not kidding.

145 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:37:24am

re: #140 oldegeezr

Big Dick, recently exercised his Buddha…!
Caution: AlterNet, link…

So this dillweed wants Cheney to be 'impeached' (We can start with the crimes found in the three articles of impeachment )

What a conundrum for him. Cheney would 1st have to be (re)elected. Will this guy vote for him to ensure he then gets to impeach Cheney !?!?!

//(somewhat)

146 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:37:43am

re: #143 lawhawk

The Pakistanis mean business, apparently. This is good news.

147 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:37:48am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

BEER? That's ridiculous.

148 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:38:17am

re: #143 lawhawk

I would wonder if the intel from the capture a few days ago led to this. And that the Taliban did not have that good of a cell structure in place to prevent interrogation results from being applied effectively.

One could also surmise whether or not one or more of these men were turned via a hefty bribe and/or offer of amnesty. They give up a bunch of info, and then get swept up as well to act as cover for their turncoat activities.

149 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:38:32am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, please. Sam Adams put out some beers that were $250 a bottle. Not kidding.

This is only $150.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

150 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:39:08am

re: #141 stayfrosty

Wait, I had no idea Crown got that expensive.

The most expensive Whisky I've purchased recently was a bottle of Yamazaki Single Malt Old (Aged 18 Years) for my brother's birthday. He's a whisky & cigar lover. He said it was as good as Maker's Mark. Unfortunately I've never tried it since I can't justify the price.

Once every couple of years I'll treat myself to a bottle of Macallan cask strength single malt. Great stuff.

You guys are making me thirsty.

151 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:40:56am

re: #143 lawhawk

Any word on if any of these newly captured will be turned over to the US, and if so,,, GITMO or straight to civilian control

And if not, how soon before Amnesty International starts yelling about how they are being treated by the Pakistanis and Afghani officilas!?!

152 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:42:39am

re: #148 oaktree

That's quite possible - that some captured or turned evidence on the others were picked up to maintain appearances. It's certainly not unheard of. All the intel that has been picked up recently leads to still more intel and it's a positive feedback loop.

The real difference has been that Pakistan is getting serious in dealing with the Taliban and al Qaeda in its midst. The ISI and government had looked the other way for far too long, and it threatened the government directly; that's apparently changed, but the key remains whether the current efforts are a temporary measure or part of a sea-change in Pakistani policy towards the Taliban and al Qaeda particularly in the frontier provinces.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:43:14am

re: #143 lawhawk

Give us OBL. They get:$25 million, new identity, posh loft in Paris. I'm all for it.

154 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:44:14am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist..

[Video]

Can't watch that at work, but I assume it's Steve Martin on SNL.

155 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:44:16am

re: #151 sattv4u2

If the Pakistanis are holding them, there's little to no chance that they'll be handed over to the US unless they're to be charged with attacks against the US in some substantial fashion (for attacks on par with the Cole, embassy bombings, or 9/11). I think the US would be content to let Pakistan deal with 'em since it would avoid the legal entanglements due to current Administration policies.

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:44:51am

re: #154 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yes.

157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:46:06am

re: #152 lawhawk

Pakistan might be lucky in realizing this (training/supplying terrorist orgs ends up biting you in the ass) before it truly destabilized the government.

A secular-leaning Pakistan government is never going to be a true ally of Al-Q or the Taliban. They, at best, would be of temporary use to them as a weapons and training ground supplier while they went after what was perceived as a common foe.

158 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:47:05am

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes.

"He's my favorite honkey!"

159 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:47:49am

re: #155 lawhawk

If the Pakistanis are holding them, there's little to no chance that they'll be handed over to the US unless they're to be charged with attacks against the US in some substantial fashion (for attacks on par with the Cole, embassy bombings, or 9/11). I think the US would be content to let Pakistan deal with 'em since it would avoid the legal entanglements due to current Administration policies.

Agreed. The Pakis also get cover as they can say it's a US operation

160 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:48:31am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Give us OBL. They get:$25 million, new identity, posh loft in Paris. I'm all for it.

We already offered not to bomb the crap out of them for OBL and they refused.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:49:37am

re: #160 Mad Al-Jaffee

We already offered not to bomb the crap out of them for OBL and they refused.

I'm talking about a captured individual, not Pakistan. Someone will turn.

162 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:49:47am

Good morning, folks!

Just returned from Florida... spent 4 days in Naples during a cold snap (50s-60s). I hear the temperatures are supposed to get back into the 70s today. Mother Nature sure has a sense of humor, doesn't she?

Anyways, hope y'all played nice while I was away!

163 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:51:24am

re: #162 MrSilverDragon

I'm sure there's some leftover broiled troll in the snowbank outside. We didn't put it in the fridge since the gaminess leaches over into the other food.

164 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:51:26am

Good Morning everyone! Did the Buddhist themed overnight stay flame-less & repel the trolls?

165 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:51:52am

re: #162 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks!

Just returned from Florida... spent 4 days in Naples during a cold snap (50s-60s). I hear the temperatures are supposed to get back into the 70s today. Mother Nature sure has a sense of humor, doesn't she?

Anyways, hope y'all played nice while I was away!

Climate change denier!!
/// lol

166 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:52:07am

So, caught a dvr'ed documentary last night: Harlan County, USA

Wife thinks I'm nuts for it, but the UMW and such have always enjoyed great respect in my mind.

Two great heroes in my family - though we haven't been down the hole since my great-grandfather's day - were Jock Yablonski (why no one has made a movie about him is more than I'll ever know), a true martyr to the cause of honest organized labor, and John L. Lewis, another titan of union history.

It's a funny thing - I'm a Righty, and yet, have always been a Union man.

Which Side are You On?

167 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:52:23am

re: #164 Rightwingconspirator

I think it did, actually!

168 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:53:12am

re: #157 oaktree

The government (whether the current Zardari government or the Musharraf regime) had been beset by multiple assassination attempts, attacks against government installations, and other destabilizing events. The response was invariably a crackdown for a time, before a cycle of appeasement began.

That's the second half of the equation here - if and when the appeasement begins, which leads to still more encouragement of Taliban and al Qaeda to take up arms against the Pakistani government.

The Pakistani government has always had a hands off relationship with the frontier provinces, allowing the Taliban and al Qaeda to sink their teeth into the ground there; the government has to engage in a fundamental change in its approach to the frontier provinces, which were always considered semi-autonomous. That's changing here because of the ongoing military operations against the Taliban and al Qaeda. Whether Pakistan will keep it up remains to be seen. There are plenty of Islamists in Pakistan (who supported the Zardari government, along with those in the ISI who shape the intel picture in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the frontier provinces). Complicated doesn't even begin to scratch the surface there...

169 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:53:21am

re: #166 Guanxi88

Great movie. It's in the US National Film Registry.

I have mixed feelings about unions.

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:53:35am

re: #162 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks!

Just returned from Florida... spent 4 days in Naples during a cold snap (50s-60s). I hear the temperatures are supposed to get back into the 70s today. Mother Nature sure has a sense of humor, doesn't she?

Anyways, hope y'all played nice while I was away!

Did you go to Marco Island?

171 oldegeezr  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:53:49am

re: #145 sattv4u2

Could this be closer to Dick’s present Buddha…?

You don’t necessarily have to be in office to be prosecuted for a number of crimes…

Olde geezers become curmudgeons, sometimes very strange, cranky and out of touch as they age... Just ask me.

172 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:55:02am

re: #169 Mad Al-Jaffee

Great movie. It's in the US National Film Registry.

I have mixed feelings about unions.

Yeah, so do I.

Steel, coal, chemicals, cops, firemen, construction, etc. - all seem perfectly right and natural for unionization. Accountants, actuaries, and government functionaries - I can't figure out what the Hell they're doing unionized at all.

173 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:55:41am

re: #143 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm posting this as a big fish alert as officials in Afghanistan and Pakistan have announced the capture of several bigwigs - 2 Taliban "shadow governors" in Afghanistan, and a major associate to bin Laden in Pakistan. The Pakistanis arrested nine in Karachi, including one identified as Ameer Muawiya who's believed to be responsible for foreign al-Qaida militants operating in Pakistan's frontier provinces along the Afghan/Pakistani border. The increased pace of arrests, captures, and intel is having a multiplier effect - more intel yields more airstrikes, captures, and still more intel.

I'm sure Dick Cheney will find something wrong with this.

174 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:57:09am

Jobless claims rise unexpectedly

The number of newly laid-off workers filing applications for unemployment benefits unexpectedly surged last week after having fallen sharply in the previous week. The gain dampened hopes about how quickly the labor market may improve this year.

The Labor Department said Thursday that first-time claims for unemployment benefits rose by 31,000 to a seasonally adjusted 473,000.

The increase followed a drop of 41,000 in the previous week which had raised hopes that the labor market, which has lost 8.4 million jobs since the recession began in December 2007, could be improving.

Thursday's news deflated analysts' hopes that new claims would continue to decline. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters had expected new claims to fall modestly.

175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:57:41am

re: #166 Guanxi88

I see unions as a mixed blessing. Without them there has been massive abuse of workers by industry. With them there has also been massive abuse of workers by their own union organization. Where union and management try to develop a working relationship based on mutual respect and productivity I think you get the best of both worlds. Where the relationship becomes one where the goal is winning turf wars and points you get something that operates like the US Congress...

My personal experiences have been mixed. I've worked part-time in a union shop (bad experience), part-time in a non-union shop (mixed), and full-time for 20+ years as a salaried employee (in both a HQ and a research location). The relations with the union employees in the research location were (as far as I could tell) excellent. Co-operative work to get the job done, and I never saw much blue-collar/white-collar friction.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:58:05am

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

Jobless claims rise unexpectedly

If it was W in charge, that headline would be different. Ya think?

177 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:58:28am

re: #173 darthstar

Probably not - unless we find out that OBL was in the area where these raids and arrests occurred and OBL pulls another Keyser Soze as he supposedly did at Tora Bora in which case, he'll probably do what Democrats did to the Bush Administration in the wake of the failure to capture OBL at that time, which was attack and call it a failure.

178 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:08am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you go to Marco Island?

Unfortunately, we didn't get a whole lot of travel in, as we were visiting my grandmother-in-law who is not doing very well. We did hit the Bonita Beach dog park as that's one of my wife's favorite spots down there, and we visited the Naples Zoo, but for the most part it was a "be with the family" visit. I am glad my wife got to spend a lot of quality time with her grandmother, to be sure.

179 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:55am

re: #168 lawhawk

Yes. And one reason the frontier provinces are semi-autonomous is that the Pakistani government has realized from the get-go that they do not have the resources, time, political capital, and arguably gumption to effectively bring the areas underfoot. Essentially a piece of the Afghanistan situation that is on the Pakistan side of the border.

And if Pakistan goes full-bore Islamic extremism in terms of government I expect India to freak-out.

180 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:02:26am

re: #175 oaktree

As you say, it's a mixed bag, like many things in this world.

I grew up all my life hearing tales of the mines, of "Mingo, Bloody Mingo," the Matewan Massacre, the Battle of Blair Mountain, and learned, much to my surprise, that my grandmother's family were involved (they ran the company store, but opened up unlimited lines of credit for striking miners). Then, I hear about how crooked and corrupt Boyle was, how Jablonsky was the closest thing to a modern-day martyr (gunned down by Boyle's thugs), and how, in general, the national leadership were more like Boyle and less like Jablonsky, and that this is why the unions are a joke and a fraud, and I just sort of scratch my head.

In my heart, I know these things to be true, but I also know the enormous drag on industry that an out-of-control union can impose. I'm conflicted.

181 oldegeezr  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:03:24am

re: #143 lawhawk

“…The increased pace of arrests, captures, and intel is having a multiplier effect - more intel yields more airstrikes, captures, and still more intel.”

You were a Major, in Spec Ops on another day, weren’t you…?

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:03:43am

re: #179 oaktree

Isn't India 7-0 in wars with Pakistan?

183 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:04:01am

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

STIMULUS ,,,, DRINK!!

184 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:04:01am

Officials are pressing their search for a 3-month-old girl whose father told police he threw the baby off a bridge into a frigid New Jersey river.

Search teams, including boats, dogs and helicopters, found no sign of Zara Malani-lin Abdur after scouring the area beneath the Garden State Parkway's Driscoll Bridge on Wednesday. The search is under way again Thursday.

The girl's father, Shamsiddi Abdur-Raheem, is being held on $700,000 bail. The 21-year-old is charged with kidnapping, attempted murder aggravated assault and child endangerment. He faces arraignment in Newark on Thursday.

SNIP

186 stayfrosty  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:05:30am

re: #172 Guanxi88

Yeah, so do I.

Steel, coal, chemicals, cops, firemen, construction, etc. - all seem perfectly right and natural for unionization. Accountants, actuaries, and government functionaries - I can't figure out what the Hell they're doing unionized at all.

And unfortunately while private union membership has shrunk in the past year, public union membership has grown to the point that there are now more public sector union members than private ones for the first time in American History. And it's bankrupting states.

And in states where unions like the SEIU and NEA (in other words, extremely Democratic states) such as California and New Jersey, we've seen very few politicians even acknowledge the problem, even while they're going bankrupt. But now you see the new Gov. Christie in New Jersey doing just that and getting absolutely trashed for it. Let's hope he sticks to his guns.

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:06:28am

Good Morning all!

I have to be out of the house in an hour, so I can't stay long.

Just hoping to be awake enough to drive by then.

How is it going?

188 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:06:50am

The leader of Lebanon's Shiite movement Hezbollah recently delivered an odd but deeply important political message to his followers: Heed traffic signs and pay your electric bills.

The call may not seem particularly significant, but it was widely seen as the latest sign that Hezbollah — long considered mainly as Iran's militant arm in Lebanon running its own state-within-a-state — is reinventing itself as a more conventional political movement in Lebanon.

The group remains fiercely anti-Israel and is highly unlikely to give up its extensive arsenal of rockets and other weapons. Hezbollah's leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah gave a fiery speech Tuesday vowing to rocket targets deep inside Israel, including Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport, if Israel's military strikes Lebanese infrastructure.

But despite the tough talk, Hezbollah seems more concerned these days with its position at home, trying to show it can work with Lebanon's many other factions, some of which oppose any military entanglement with Israel. That means moderating its actions and playing within the system.


SNIP

189 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:07:20am

re: #183 sattv4u2

STIMULUS ,,, DRINK!!

Heh. Here are some more created jobs by the government...

Millions wasted on census as head count approaches


Were those pricey Super Bowl ads a waste? Maybe not, but paying $3 million to census employees who didn't do any work surely was.

The Census Bureau, a month away from its 2010 population count, has already wasted millions of dollars paying temporary employees who never did the work and others who overbilled for travel, according to excerpts of an audit obtained by The Associated Press.

On a positive note, federal investigators said it was appropriate for the Census Bureau to spend $133 million on its advertising campaign, including $2.5 million for Super Bowl spots that some Republicans derided as wasteful.

But the report by Commerce Department inspector general Todd Zinser makes clear the government is at risk of wasting millions of additional dollars without tighter spending controls by the Census Bureau on its 1 million temporary workers.

"The costs were substantial," he wrote, imploring the agency to improve cost estimates so the national head count does not exceed its $15 billion price tag.

190 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:07:32am

re: #184 MandyManners

I'm sick to my stomach!

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:07:56am

re: #188 MandyManners

Nasrallh should be "next."

193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:08:29am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

Record aside, I think the earlier wars were essentially border squabbles and the East Pakistan issue. At this point a more fanatical Pakistan government might be playing for more than Kashmir. And both countries now have proven nuclear capability.

194 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:08:37am

re: #188 MandyManners

The leader of Lebanon's Shiite movement Hezbollah recently delivered an odd but deeply important political message to his followers: Heed traffic signs and pay your electric bills.


SNIP

1) Try to replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents wherever possible
2) Turn off lights when not in use
3) Sort the recyclables out of your regular garbage
4) Carpool or walk or bicycle whenever possible
5) Oh - and Death to Israel!

195 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:22am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

That's horrible!

re: #190 sattv4u2

I'm sick to my stomach!

I bet it was to punish the baby's mom for getting a restraining order.

196 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:26am

re: #184 MandyManners

Officials are pressing their search for a 3-month-old girl whose father told police he threw the baby off a bridge into a frigid New Jersey river.

He's being charged with "child endangerment" (among other things)?
Gee, ya think?

197 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:43am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nasrallh should be "next."

Does he visit Dubai often?

198 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:46am

re: #194 Guanxi88

5) Oh - and Death to Israel!

It's Death to America, you nincompoop. You die now! Ululululululu!

199 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:51am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, the guy claimed he tossed his 3-month old daughter off the Driscoll Bridge on the GSP. If he did as he said, the chances of her survival are slim and none - it's a 100+ foot drop, and not all of the bridge is over water. They've been carrying out searches for the past couple of days with no luck.

The guy apparently confessed to an imam at his mosque and also assaulted the baby's grandmother.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:55am

re: #193 oaktree

And radical Islam wouldn't bat an eye to use a nuke.

201 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:10:04am

re: #194 Guanxi88

1) Try to replace incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents wherever possible
2) Turn off lights when not in use
3) Sort the recyclables out of your regular garbage
4) Carpool or walk or bicycle whenever possible
5) Oh - and Death to Israel!

LOL!

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:10:16am

re: #172 Guanxi88

Yeah, so do I.

Steel, coal, chemicals, cops, firemen, construction, etc. - all seem perfectly right and natural for unionization. Accountants, actuaries, and government functionaries - I can't figure out what the Hell they're doing unionized at all.

To get group health insurance rates? A lot of accountants (at least) are small-business owners.

203 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:10:54am

re: #198 thedopefishlives

It's Death to America, you nincompoop. You die now! Ululululululu!

No, it's Death to the Great Satan (USA) and the Little Satan! (Israel)

204 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:14am

re: #196 reine.de.tout

He's being charged with "child endangerment" (among other things)?
Gee, ya think?

Did anyone see him toss her? Could he have stashed her with a girlfriend?

205 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:14am

re: #203 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, it's Death to the Great Satan (USA) and the Little Satan! (Israel)

I wish I still had link to that Death to America video. Anyon got it on hand?

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:20am

re: #197 MandyManners

Does he visit Dubai often?

We can get him a ticket. Let's have a bake sale.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:24am

January wholesale prices jump 1.4 percent

WASHINGTON – Wholesale prices shot up at double the expected pace in January, propelled higher by big increases in energy costs. The surprisingly large jump was viewed as a temporary blip and not the start of inflation problems, however.

The Labor Department said Thursday that wholesale prices rose 1.4 percent last month, reflecting higher costs for gasoline and other energy products. Private economists had expected a 0.7 percent increase.

Core inflation at the wholesale level, which excludes energy and food, rose 0.3 percent in January, faster than the 0.1 percent increase economists had predicted.

208 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:28am

re: #194 Guanxi88

Terrorist organization aside, it is something to see at least some movement towards acting like a government -- taking steps to provide services and act for the welfare of the people being governed. (Government for the people and all that.)

Will it move beyond Israel as the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong? Doubtful.

209 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:38am

re: #194 Guanxi88

6) Recycle your missile and rocket parts; you'll never know when that will come in handy.

7) Digging tunnels and underground bunkers are a good alternative storage facility to refrigerators (and provide excellent military advantages).

210 Jerusalemyte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:13am

Gate nischt

211 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:25am

re: #205 thedopefishlives

I wish I still had link to that Death to America video. Anyon got it on hand?

There are a bunch of those floating around.

212 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:44am

re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar

We can get him a ticket. Let's have a bake sale.

I can make some Killer Cupcakes.

213 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:55am

re: #209 lawhawk

6) Recycle your missile and rocket parts; you'll never know when that will come in handy.

7) Digging tunnels and underground bunkers are a good alternative storage facility to refrigerators (and provide excellent military advantages).

8) Use environmentally friendly explosives. This will also aid you in preventing the evil Jooos from showing up early and ruining your plans.

214 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:56am

re: #180 Guanxi88

I assume you saw the movie "Matewan". I grew up in WV and therefore was immersed in the "unions are good" culture. (Even though my dad was a company man in the chemical factory) I'm also have mixed feelings on unions now because I know they were necessary and can see the destructive abuses of the current unions.

215 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:29am

re: #208 oaktree

Hizbullah has done that for years - they've been a shadow government in much of South Lebanon, but don't be fooled by that nonsense; they're still all about killing the Joos and destruction of Israel, even though their own rationale for existence - that Israel is occupying Lebanese territory - is no longer present.

They're just waiting for the right opportunity to come along to have another shot at it.

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:33am

re: #205 thedopefishlives

I wish I still had link to that Death to America video. Anyon got it on hand?

Michael Moore is making that movie as we speak, I'm sure.

217 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:42am

re: #202 ggt

To get group health insurance rates? A lot of accountants (at least) are small-business owners.

No, I should have clarified - I meant government accountants and such. Independent operators have got their own set of challenges.

218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:42am

re: #204 MandyManners

Did anyone see him toss her? Could he have stashed her with a girlfriend?

It was a girl child.

WTF?

219 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:39am

re: #205 thedopefishlives

I wish I still had link to that Death to America video. Anyon got it on hand?

Abdul Karim Aziz!


220 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:50am

re: #214 gymmom

I assume you saw the movie "Matewan". I grew up in WV and therefore was immersed in the "unions are good" culture. (Even though my dad was a company man in the chemical factory) I'm also have mixed feelings on unions now because I know they were necessary and can see the destructive abuses of the current unions.

I grew up in and around Ripley, and spent most of my childhood down in the Kanawha Valley. I know what you mean about mixed feelings about the unions.

(Was your dad at Institute, by any chance?)

221 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:15:08am

re: #218 ggt

It was a girl child.

WTF?

An itty-bitty darling girl.

222 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:15:34am

re: #219 MandyManners

Abdul Karim Aziz!

[Video]

YES! That's the one.

223 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:16:00am

re: #220 Guanxi88

I grew up in and around Ripley, and spent most of my childhood down in the Kanawha Valley. I know what you mean about mixed feelings about the unions.

(Was your dad at Institute, by any chance?)

I grew up in the Kanawha Valley and my dad worked in Nitro.

224 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:16:23am

re: #214 gymmom

I assume you saw the movie "Matewan". I grew up in WV and therefore was immersed in the "unions are good" culture. (Even though my dad was a company man in the chemical factory) I'm also have mixed feelings on unions now because I know they were necessary and can see the destructive abuses of the current unions.

The DC Metro is union. It's very poorly run, almost incompetent. And apparently it's incredibly hard for any Metro employee to be fired.

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:17:05am

re: #217 Guanxi88

No, I should have clarified - I meant government accountants and such. Independent operators have got their own set of challenges.

ah!

I ws always under the impression that the necessity of unions has waned since Federal and State government s have imposed so many restrictions on employers. OSHA, wage laws etc.

I haven't learned anything that negates that. The benefits of "group" rates for health insurance or office supplies can be had with co-ops or other non-union forms of organizing.

226 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:17:10am
227 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:17:28am

re: #223 gymmom

I grew up in the Kanawha Valley and my dad worked in Nitro.

I lived just across the river from there. My unlce worked for Union Carbide at their Institute facility, I knew a couple guys who were with Rhone-Poulenc (when they came around later), and even knew a couple guys who worked for Fike. Holy Hell, but it's a small world.

228 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:17:56am

re: #227 Guanxi88

You two might know each other!

229 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:18:30am

re: #224 Mad Al-Jaffee

And apparently it's incredibly hard for any Metro employee to be fired.

I think this is what bothers me most about unions. Yes, it's good protection against capricious management. No, it's not a good idea when you can't fire someone for legitimate reasons like nonperformance. See, for example, bad cops who are reinstated after the union-mandated arbitration and continue being bad cops because they know they're untouchable.

230 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:18:39am

re: #228 MandyManners

You two might know each other!

It's what I'm thinking. That area doesn't have but about 4 degrees of separation for anyone who ever lived there.

231 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:38am

re: #214 gymmom

My friend Phil Wiggins (literally one of the best blues harmonica players in the world) was in that movie.

John Sayles has great taste in music. I love the music in Lone Star. Honeydripper also has great music, but the movie's horrible.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:40am

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

Michael Moore is making that movie as we speak, I'm sure.

John Cougar Mellencamp is doing the music for it.

"I write a lot of songs that could be interpreted as big patriotic songs, but in reality they're questioning the direction the country is going," he said. "After every song in Boston, 20,000 people were going, 'USA, USA.' I thought, man. I almost asked them to stop, stop doing that. I don't like it. I don't like hearing that chant."

233 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:46am

re: #214 gymmom

What I saw in the newspapers (western PA) in the early 80s about the WV coalfields that still sticks in my minds were the UMW extremists who were sniping at coal trucks with deer rifles. This was also the same time that there were some nasty picket operations between the USW and a steel company in Weirton.

I presume, since I did not study the issue deeply, that both situations were quite complex in scope. And that the back-biting and bad blood was to the point that neither side was going to really negotiate in good faith and were instead going to play the game to the media and public opinion.

This was about the same time I was having my poor experience dealing with union employees while working part-time in an oil product packaging terminal. Probably the low point in my opinion about unions.

234 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:58am

re: #230 Guanxi88

It's what I'm thinking. That area doesn't have but about 4 degrees of separation for anyone who ever lived there.

Cutlip. My uncle at Union Carbide was called Cutlip. The Rhone Poulenc guys, the chief was Carr; Fike, I knew a Mosteller and two Davis.

235 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:20:08am

re: #180 Guanxi88

As you say, it's a mixed bag, like many things in this world.

I'm the similar. I've worked in a union job when out of the blue management started to try to pull some really hinky stuff that really started screwing people. If it had been like other jobs I had before there wasn't much you could do about it. Having a union to help sort the mess out was invaluable.

In another job I was management and had the pleasure of being part of the negotiating team when a union contract was up for renewal. Pissed me right off with some of what happened and even moreso because I generally okay with unions. What the heck are you guys doing here, it was ridiculous!

In another job employee relations and benefits with a multi-million dollar company were great. It was an awesome place to work. One year some union organizers showed up and everyone just basically told them to screw off. It just wasn't necessary with the way the company was ran.

In another one, again a multi-million dollar company the company culture was absolutely disgusting and there was a lot of base exploitation that happened. If there was any job that I felt spoke to why unions weren't the suck that was it.

So yeah. Mixed bag here

236 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:20:17am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Fucking scum's thinking about running for Bayh's seat.

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:00am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

He's running for Evan Bayh's seat, or so I heard.

WE are certainly living in interesting times.

238 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:05am

re: #236 MandyManners

Fucking scum's thinking about running for Bayh's seat.

Bayh as in the Evan Bayh from Indiana? He'll never make it. Even with the hero power of his big name, that's a deeply entrenched political family he's fighting. It'd be like running against a Kennedy.

239 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:08am

re: #228 MandyManners

You two might know each other!


We might even be related!! ;)

240 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:54am

re: #231 Mad Al-Jaffee

My friend Phil Wiggins (literally one of the best blues harmonica players in the world) was in that movie.

John Sayles has great taste in music. I love the music in Lone Star. Honeydripper also has great music, but the movie's horrible.

Cool.

241 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:59am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

Bayh is quitting.

242 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:22:21am

I gotta go, have a great day all!

243 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:22:36am

morning jokers

244 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:22:45am

Tiger speaks tomorrow morning! Wheee!!

245 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:00am

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bayh is quitting.

"The World Turned Upside Down" is playing through my head.

246 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:34am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

Bayh as in the Evan Bayh from Indiana? He'll never make it. Even with the hero power of his big name, that's a deeply entrenched political family he's fighting. It'd be like running against a Kennedy.

I heard it yesterday. BTW, haven't you heard that Bayh's gone?

247 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:48am

re: #239 gymmom

We might even be related!! ;)

Cousins!

248 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:24:13am

re: #235 Jadespring

I have two very good friends (married couple) who work for unions. They're fanatical about it. Won't shop at non-union places. Think that ALL jobs should be organized. Think that card check will be great for the country. Still great friends, but we avoid talking about politics.

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:24:18am

John Cougar Mestrualcramp. Heh.

250 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:24:34am

re: #244 cliffster

Tiger speaks tomorrow morning! Wheee!!

I wonder how his chastity belt is wearing.

251 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:05am

re: #246 MandyManners

I heard it yesterday. BTW, haven't you heard that Bayh's gone?

See my #245. I'm definitely going to have to call my parents on this one. This could have some very interesting ramifications.

252 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:06am

re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't compare the female body to that jack ass!

253 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:18am

re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Cougar Mestrualcramp. Heh.

I have a friend who calls him that. Cracks me up every time I hear his name.

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:23am

re: #250 MandyManners

I wonder how his chastity belt is wearing.

Or to many blisters to swing a club.

255 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:26:00am

re: #244 cliffster

Tiger speaks tomorrow morning! Wheee!!

I hope he gets some coaching from Bill Clinton.

256 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:26:08am

re: #233 oaktree

What I saw in the newspapers (western PA) in the early 80s about the WV coalfields that still sticks in my minds were the UMW extremists who were sniping at coal trucks with deer rifles. This was also the same time that there were some nasty picket operations between the USW and a steel company in Weirton.

I presume, since I did not study the issue deeply, that both situations were quite complex in scope. And that the back-biting and bad blood was to the point that neither side was going to really negotiate in good faith and were instead going to play the game to the media and public opinion.

This was about the same time I was having my poor experience dealing with union employees while working part-time in an oil product packaging terminal. Probably the low point in my opinion about unions.

A lot of the strikes, especially the wildcat strikes, got ugly, no getting around it. The biggest problem was - and is - the gun thugs. Both sides escalate to the brandishing of weapons, and from there to their use, in fairly short order.

The miners want to stop the trucks going out - no coal goes out, and the company suffers. The company, naturally, wants their product out, and wants new workers in. The pickets nearly always turned ugly.

257 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:26:51am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or to many blisters to swing a club.

*blink*

258 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:17am

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

I hope he gets some coaching from Bill Clinton.

A box of cigars?

259 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:22am

re: #256 Guanxi88

In Bill Bryson's book about the UK (can't recall the title) he describes some strikes that got really, really bad.

260 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:03am

re: #239 gymmom

We might even be related!! ;)

re: #247 MandyManners

Cousins!

All right, gymmom, I gotta ask:

You got any of your folk living around Elkview? 'Cause if you do, I can all but guaran-damn-tee we're related by marriage.

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:30am

re: #257 MandyManners

*blink*

Written incorrectly. But you get the point.

262 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:47am

re: #250 MandyManners

Probably chafing. I figure he'll make all the usual apologies, promises, and even shed a tear or two for letting down his family, friends, and fans.

And then he'll go on and do as he's always done; it's the American celebrity way after all...

263 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:58am

re: #235 Jadespring

I'm the similar. I've worked in a union job when out of the blue management started to try to pull some really hinky stuff that really started screwing people. If it had been like other jobs I had before there wasn't much you could do about it. Having a union to help sort the mess out was invaluable.

In another job I was management and had the pleasure of being part of the negotiating team when a union contract was up for renewal. Pissed me right off with some of what happened and even moreso because I generally okay with unions. What the heck are you guys doing here, it was ridiculous!

In another job employee relations and benefits with a multi-million dollar company were great. It was an awesome place to work. One year some union organizers showed up and everyone just basically told them to screw off. It just wasn't necessary with the way the company was ran.

In another one, again a multi-million dollar company the company culture was absolutely disgusting and there was a lot of base exploitation that happened. If there was any job that I felt spoke to why unions weren't the suck that was it.

So yeah. Mixed bag here

Unions are vitally necessary until they succeed, then they become unnecessary and fail, then they become necessary.

264 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:29:09am

re: #250 MandyManners

I wonder how his chastity belt is wearing.

I don't care. I'm just ready to watch that jackass play golf. I don't care nothin about what hole he puts it in off the course, I want to watch him knock it stiff on Sunday.

265 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:29:09am

re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Cougar Mestrualcramp. Heh.

I saw a concert at Folsom Field in Golden, Co in 1982. John Cougar, Jethro Tull, and The Who. Tull was unbelievable, then The Who came on and blew us away. John Cougar was the opening act and was booed off the stage.

266 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:29:40am

re: #261 Cannadian Club Akbar

Written incorrectly. But you get the point.

Oh, an "o" instead of an "l"?

267 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:29:45am

re: #264 cliffster

I want to watch him knock it stiff on Sunday.

No pun intended?

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:29:45am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

Dude... you've seen Tull?

269 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:06am

re: #251 thedopefishlives

See my #245. I'm definitely going to have to call my parents on this one. This could have some very interesting ramifications.

SPECULATION

After being governor ("The Man") Bayh didn't like being One Of A Hundred. He'll run for governor to set himslef up for a run fro President come 2016

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:21am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

I saw a concert at Folsom Field in Golden, Co in 1982. John Cougar, Jethro Tull, and The Who. Tull was unbelievable, then The Who came on and blew us away. John Cougar was the opening act and was booed off the stage.

Seen JT twice, always great. The Who is in my top 3 concerts of all time.

271 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:31am

re: #267 Mad Al-Jaffee

No pun intended?

I said on Sunday, you heathen.

272 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:32am

re: #262 lawhawk

Probably chafing. I figure he'll make all the usual apologies, promises, and even shed a tear or two for letting down his family, friends, and fans.

And then he'll go on and do as he's always done; it's the American celebrity way after all...

Well, bless her heart but I'd have a hard time forgiving him.

273 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:41am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Unions are vitally necessary until they succeed, then they become unnecessary and fail, then they become necessary.

That's a good way of looking at it. It cycles.

274 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:48am

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude... you've seen Tull?

Oh yeah...fucking incredible.

275 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:48am

Awwww.... the Taliban are running out of ammo (at least according to NATO sources).

Too bad. So sad. /not!

276 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:31:00am

re: #264 cliffster

I don't care. I'm just ready to watch that jackass play golf. I don't care nothin about what hole he puts it in off the course, I want to watch him knock it stiff on Sunday.

Kink.

277 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:31:13am

re: #260 Guanxi88

All right, gymmom, I gotta ask:

You got any of your folk living around Elkview? 'Cause if you do, I can all but guaran-damn-tee we're related by marriage.

Well, my family is from WV for 5 generations on both sides. I am probably related to everyone in the state. But if I have a relative in Elkview, they are distant. One of my grandfathers had 12 brothers and sisters, so the number of cousins there is quite numerous!

278 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:31:16am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Unions are vitally necessary until they succeed, then they become unnecessary and fail, then they become necessary.

Sounds about right.

Human nature

279 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:32:36am
280 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:21am

re: #275 lawhawk

Awww... the Taliban are running out of ammo (at least according to NATO sources).

Too bad. So sad. /not!

Culmination of years of the USA tracking down and cutting off OBL's myriad of financial resources

No Cash ,, No Flash!

281 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:37am

re: #277 gymmom

Well, my family is from WV for 5 generations on both sides. I am probably related to everyone in the state. But if I have a relative in Elkview, they are distant. One of my grandfathers had 12 brothers and sisters, so the number of cousins there is quite numerous!

3 generations down one side, 4 down the other, for me. Elkview branch are from my mother's second marriage - weird buncha folk.

Settled in and around McDowell County - came to America to work the mines, then sorta moved around the tri-state area for two generations. Then, my generation, we scattered to the four winds.

"Get the Hell outta WV," my family all told me. "There's nothing here for a young man."

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:39am

re: #262 lawhawk

Not if he divides each time he had the sex by the number of dollars he's lost.

$50,000,000.00/(say 500 times?)=$100,000.00 for each time...

That's some expensive sex there, Mr. Woods. Must've been goood.

(I'm putting it in money context, because, he obviously doesn't appreciate the morality part of it)...

But, eh... I shouldn't judge.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:34:52am

re: #277 gymmom

Mah people is from Mercer County, WV... near Princeton... up in the hills, above the holler.

284 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:34:55am
285 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:35:02am

re: #275 lawhawk

re: #280 sattv4u2

Culmination of years of the USA tracking down and cutting off OBL's myriad of financial resources

No Cash ,, No Flash!

Not to mention the scorching of the poppie fields

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:36:02am

re: #285 sattv4u2

Question... If you are standing near a poppy field, and it is on fire...

"TAKE A TRIP AND NEVER LEAVE THE FARM!"
-Jim Stafford

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:36:21am

re: #284 darthstar

Oh, dear...law abiding Arabs we disagree with. We can't have that now, can we?

They still wanna kill the Joos.

288 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:36:57am

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not if he divides each time he had the sex by the number of dollars he's lost.

$50,000,000.00/(say 500 times?)=$100,000.00 for each time...

That's some expensive sex there, Mr. Woods. Must've been goood.

(I'm putting it in money context, because, he obviously doesn't appreciate the morality part of it)...

But, eh... I shouldn't judge.

Costs that much to make him holler?


289 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:37:25am

re: #284 darthstar

Oh, dear...law abiding Arabs we disagree with. We can't have that now, can we?

Disagree with? They're fucking terrorists.

290 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:37:27am

re: #284 darthstar

Oh, dear...law abiding Arabs we disagree with. We can't have that now, can we?

In addition to heeding traffic signals and paying your electric bill, I would think there might, just might, also be something in there talking about the wrongs of killing people. You know?

291 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:37:37am

re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Question... If you are standing near a poppy field, and it is on fire...

"TAKE A TRIP AND NEVER LEAVE THE FARM!"
-Jim Stafford

And steer clear of hashish markets.

Pakistani village hashish market hit by bomb

A suicide bomb attack near a crowded market selling hashish in north-western Pakistan has killed at least 15 people and injured up to 100, officials say.

The bomber detonated his explosives among militants gathered at a compound by the market, a witness told the BBC.

The blast occurred in the Khyber tribal region, close to the Afghan border, in an area where the Taliban is known to have a strong presence.

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:37:50am

re: #281 Guanxi88

Mercer County, WV... when my dad was growing up, they taught the three "Rs."

Reading and Road to Roanoke.

293 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:37:56am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mah people is from Mercer County, WV... near Princeton... up in the hills, above the holler.

That's some damned beautiful real estate up there.

My grandfather of blessed memory said that the world was put together like this:

Virginia is the Lord's front yard - it's a lush, well-manicured garden.
Kentucky is His backyard and wood-lot- wild, beautiful, restful to the eyes and the spirit, and the place He goes when He needs to get away from things and think.
West Virginia is where He goes to get things done.

294 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:38:19am

re: #284 darthstar

Hizbullah is law-abiding? [face palm]

295 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:38:29am

re: #289 MandyManners

Disagree with? They're fucking terrorists.

Freedom fighters!

////

296 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:02am

re: #292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mercer County, WV... when my dad was growing up, they taught the three "Rs."

Reading and Road to Roanoke.

Chief exports of WV, by tonnage:

1) Coal
2) High school graduates.

297 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:22am

re: #289 MandyManners

Disagree with? They're fucking terrorists.

That doesn't break their laws, though...

298 celticdragon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:24am

re: #235 Jadespring

I'm the similar. I've worked in a union job when out of the blue management started to try to pull some really hinky stuff that really started screwing people. If it had been like other jobs I had before there wasn't much you could do about it. Having a union to help sort the mess out was invaluable.

In another job I was management and had the pleasure of being part of the negotiating team when a union contract was up for renewal. Pissed me right off with some of what happened and even moreso because I generally okay with unions. What the heck are you guys doing here, it was ridiculous!

In another job employee relations and benefits with a multi-million dollar company were great. It was an awesome place to work. One year some union organizers showed up and everyone just basically told them to screw off. It just wasn't necessary with the way the company was ran.

In another one, again a multi-million dollar company the company culture was absolutely disgusting and there was a lot of base exploitation that happened. If there was any job that I felt spoke to why unions weren't the suck that was it.

So yeah. Mixed bag here

I have seen some aerospace employers that were fine, and I have seen some serious shenanigans where time cards were being altered and workers were being asked to accept pay cuts while management was handing out 500,000 dollar bonuses to themselves and raiding compensation funds (people left in handcuffs escorted by the FBI over that one in Greensboro, I understand). If a union had tried to open shop, I would have signed on. We were preparing for a one day walk out as it was before the management started taking us seriously.

299 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:39am

re: #295 NJDhockeyfan

Freedom fighters!

///

Youts!
/

300 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:42am

Nothing like a little Tone Loc on a bright, Thursday morning.

301 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:58am

re: #296 Guanxi88

Chief exports of WV, by tonnage:

1) Coal
2) High school graduates.


3) KKK Members Senators

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:40:08am

re: #293 Guanxi88

Yeah, but my brothers and sisters have been arguing for years over my parent's will. They want the property split between all eight of us...

NONE OF US WANT IT!

303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:40:08am

re: #296 Guanxi88

Chief exports of WV, by tonnage:

1) Coal
2) High school graduates.

Kids graduate there?
///

304 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:40:18am

re: #256 Guanxi88

Yep. Strikes are a industrial game of brinkmanship. Hurt everyone's income (including the local economy in general) and see who blinks first. And there is a long history of union-related violence especially in the coal and steel industries. (Ref: A Pinkerton spy is the hero of the Doyle story _The Valley of Fear_)

The gun-waving escalating to physical violence gives me a vibe of the proto-men in _2001_ howling at each other over use of the waterhole.

305 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:40:27am

re: #297 cliffster

That doesn't break their laws, though...

Gives me the fucking-warm-and-fuzzies.

306 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:40:56am

re: #300 MandyManners

Nothing like a little Tone Loc on a bright, Thursday morning.

I'm exactly like Tone Loc ,,, Call myself Tone Deaf!
/

307 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:11am

re: #300 MandyManners

Nothing like a little Tone Loc on a bright, Thursday morning.

You got that right baby

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:15am

re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar

Toothbrush...

haha let the jokes commence.

309 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:26am

re: #306 sattv4u2

I'm exactly like Tone Loc ,,, Call myself Tone Deaf!
/

You like a funky, cold medina?

310 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:28am

re: #281 Guanxi88

3 generations down one side, 4 down the other, for me. Elkview branch are from my mother's second marriage - weird buncha folk.

Settled in and around McDowell County - came to America to work the mines, then sorta moved around the tri-state area for two generations. Then, my generation, we scattered to the four winds.

"Get the Hell outta WV," my family all told me. "There's nothing here for a young man."

I still have family in P-burg area and Kanawha Valley. My kids love visiting there. There's some 3rd cousins I saw a few times with my new husband. Left him alone with them while I helped my grandmother in the kitchen. I think he thought it was grounds for annulment! He couldn't understand a word they said! But some of the cousins who moved away, whoo. It's like a Jerry Springer show when there's a extended-family get together.

311 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:32am

re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kids graduate there?
///

a couple of real REAL fat ones!

312 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:01am

re: #309 MandyManners

You like a funky, cold medina?

I prefer my Medina hot
((in bed))

313 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:17am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but my brothers and sisters have been arguing for years over my parent's will. They want the property split between all eight of us...

NONE OF US WANT IT!

I've told my folks already that I'd much prefer it if they sold the family home and just went nuts with the money. I figure if they start trying to sell it now, by the time the sale is made, they'll be just about old enough to maybe spend it and make it last more than a couple years.

Talk about your depressed real estate markets!

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:19am

OT...

Shaun White = BAD ASS!

315 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:33am

re: #296 Guanxi88

Chief exports of WV, by tonnage:

1) Coal
2) High school graduates.

Friends (incl. a high school teacher) live on 70 acres on a hill over Beckley. They built the place by hand, without loans, over the last 40 years. It's beautiful but the say they would not do it again.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:03am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

Shaun White = BAD ASS!

He's the Flying Tomato, yes?

317 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:05am

Hey, Guanxi and gymmom, did ya'll know any Mulungeons?

318 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:17am

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Thursday to you all! How's everyone doing this morning?

319 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:26am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

Shaun White = BAD ASS!

Lindsay Vonn ,,,,, BADDER ASS!!

((YOU try skiing all out when your shin is not 100%))

320 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:40am

re: #294 lawhawk

Hizbullah is law-abiding? [face palm]

Just a benign, social-service giving organization.
According to wiki:


Hezbollah is now also a major provider of social services, which operate schools, hospitals, and agricultural services for thousands of Lebanese Shiites, and plays a significant force in Lebanese politics.

Eventually, the article mentions this (bold is mine):

Several western countries regard it in whole or in part as a terrorist organization
321 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:44am

re: #318 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Thursday to you all! How's everyone doing this morning?

We're doing the wild thing.

322 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:56am
323 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:03am

re: #318 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Thursday to you all! How's everyone doing this morning?

Good morning, Dragon Lady!

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:03am

re: #313 Guanxi88

Actually, the place is worth a ton.

But, if we sold it we'd be jettisoned from the family.

Hey! If we sold it, we'd be jettisoned from the family!

325 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:04am

re: #305 MandyManners

Hey Mandy, have you read this today?

Pro-jihadist Rashad Hussain: Obama appointee's connection to Soros

The controversy involving Rashad Hussain, the president's appointee to serve as Special Envoy to the Organization of Islamic Conference, is just getting started. The turmoil caused by Hussain's appointment centers around comments he purportedly made in defense of Sami Al-Arian, a convicted terrorist and former leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Now, questions are rightfully being raised as to how a terrorist sympathizer has risen to such a position within the president's administration.

A quick look into Hussain reveals that he has the background of a typical Obama administration official: Ivy League education, career in public service, and an added bonus, a connection to the Soros family.
[snip]

Shocka!

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:04am

re: #318 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Thursday to you all! How's everyone doing this morning?

Good moods rule the day.:)

327 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:18am

re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar

They still wanna kill the Joos.

Maybe...maybe not. Reinventing oneself usually has broad side effects. They start paying their bills, and the next thing you know, their economy improves, and wha?--they realize trade with Israel might be better than war with it. Miracles happen. ;)

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:40am

re: #319 sattv4u2

(I was afraid of the sexuality angle there.)

329 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:44am

re: #315 Decatur Deb

Friends (incl. a high school teacher) live on 70 acres on a hill over Beckley. They built the place by hand, without loans, over the last 40 years. It's beautiful but the say they would not do it again.

My great-grandmother, during her 20-year feud with my grandfather (her son) used to have him to drive 3 hours once a month to pick her up in Davy and drive her to Beckley for her shopping.

330 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:57am

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

3) KKK Members Senators

I know your point, but in all honestly it's one of the least prejudice places I've ever been. I think part of it is there is no inner city and most people are poor or middle class, so everyone is in the same boat. I have to say Boston was the worst place I've lived in for open prejudice. Did you have the same experience Guanxi?

331 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:10am

re: #327 darthstar

Maybe...maybe not. Reinventing oneself usually has broad side effects. They start paying their bills, and the next thing you know, their economy improves, and wha?--they realize trade with Israel might be better than war with it. Miracles happen. ;)

How many bong hits have you had this morning?

332 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:14am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

Shaun White = BAD ASS!

That was a great run last night. He could have just side slipped down the middle of the run with his pants down and won...instead, he goes out and pulls off a beautiful run.

333 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:26am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(I was afraid of the sexuality angle there.)

HEH ,,, check out her photos in Sports Illustrated SwimSuit issue!!

334 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:34am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Hey Mandy, have you read this today?

Pro-jihadist Rashad Hussain: Obama appointee's connection to Soros

Shocka!

Well, lookee thar!

335 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:42am

re: #317 MandyManners

Hey, Guanxi and gymmom, did ya'll know any Mulungeons?

No.

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:52am

re: #327 darthstar

Maybe...maybe not. Reinventing oneself usually has broad side effects. They start paying their bills, and the next thing you know, their economy improves, and wha?--they realize trade with Israel might be better than war with it. Miracles happen. ;)

The people could actually bring that change.

337 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:53am

re: #317 MandyManners

Hey, Guanxi and gymmom, did ya'll know any Mulungeons?

I think I saw one once, but I could be mistaken. I could swore the lady was one, but my grandfather said she was just a gypsy (as if they'd be more common in Appalachia!).

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:05am

re: #333 sattv4u2

HEH ,,, check out her photos in Sports Illustrated SwimSuit issue!!

Be back in 20 minutes...

339 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:11am

re: #327 darthstar

Maybe...maybe not. Reinventing oneself usually has broad side effects. They start paying their bills, and the next thing you know, their economy improves, and wha?--they realize trade with Israel might be better than war with it. Miracles happen. ;)

I didn't realize Little Orphan Annie was posting here...

340 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:25am

re: #335 gymmom

No.

Did you ever see any?

341 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:35am

re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good moods rule the day.:)

Hey, I'll upding for that! Good moods rule! :-)

342 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:37am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Lindsay Vonn ,,, BADDER ASS!!

((YOU try skiing all out when your shin is not 100%))

I haven't been watching the Olympics much at all, but I like her.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

343 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:52am

re: #337 Guanxi88

I think I saw one once, but I could be mistaken. I could swore the lady was one, but my grandfather said she was just a gypsy (as if they'd be more common in Appalachia!).

Those folks still intrigue me.

344 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:16am

re: #330 gymmom

I know your point, but in all honestly it's one of the least prejudice places I've ever been. I think part of it is there is no inner city and most people are poor or middle class, so everyone is in the same boat. I have to say Boston was the worst place I've lived in for open prejudice. Did you have the same experience Guanxi?

Funny you say Boston. BU, calss of '95.

Yeah, our "rich" aren't rich, and our poor don't have much less than anyone else you might happen to know.

My family were one of the few Jewish clans around, and we got more grief for my father backing Arch Moore than we did for anything else.

345 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:25am

re: #339 cliffster

I didn't realize Little Orphan Annie was posting here...

As long as he doesn't break out singing about "tomorrow".

346 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:38am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't been watching the Olympics much at all, but I like her.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

FVB ,,, clean up in aisle ,,,,,,,,,,

347 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:39am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

How many bong hits have you had this morning?


Nada. Don't worry. I don't expect most people who are strongly one-way or the other on the I/P debate to ever change their minds...that's for the next generation. It's a 20-30 year process.

348 celticdragon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:41am

re: #304 oaktree

Yep. Strikes are a industrial game of brinkmanship. Hurt everyone's income (including the local economy in general) and see who blinks first. And there is a long history of union-related violence especially in the coal and steel industries. (Ref: A Pinkerton spy is the hero of the Doyle story _The Valley of Fear_)

The gun-waving escalating to physical violence gives me a vibe of the proto-men in _2001_ howling at each other over use of the waterhole.

When you look at the history of strike related violence, the body count is mostly the strikers and their families. Pinkerton didn't play around and they were willing to shoot a lot of people to make a point. When you look into the Ludlow Massacre, the Colorado national guard opened fire on families (a number of women and children were shot or burned to death) and three captured miners were beaten and shot to death.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:43am

re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't been watching the Olympics much at all, but I like her.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

Yummy.

350 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:16am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

The people could actually bring that change.

Yep. But it won't come fast. It'll take years.

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:23am

re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't been watching the Olympics much at all, but I like her.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

Back in a half hour...

352 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:24am

re: #343 MandyManners

Those folks still intrigue me.

Yeah - I think they're like a sorta Appalachian version of the Seminoles. I imagine there's spanish, maybe a bit of turk, native american, run-away slave, and scots-irish all mixed in there. They're definitely one of the most interesting ethnic sub-groups in this country.

353 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:47am

re: #327 darthstar

What you're smoking... please pass it around, because Hizbullah continues to call for the destruction of Israel, and it's "inclusion" in the Lebanese political system is based on one thing.. and one thing only - that they've got a militia that is stronger than the Lebanese military. The UN and Lebanese military are incapable of disarming the group, so everyone is busy trying to rewrite their history to avoid their obligations under international law to disarm the terrorist group.

Nasrallah hasn't given up the ghost of destroying Israel; hasn't stopped stockpiling weapons for war against Israel.

For every school that Hizbullah supposedly runs, how many bunkers and weapons caches are stored nearby so that when the shooting starts, they can claim Israel is targeting civilians? For every hospital that Hizbullah runs, how many have doctors who will lie to further Hizbullah propaganda that Israel keeps on killing civilians even though Hizbullah takes off their uniforms at the first sign of a conflict with Israel so as to blend in...

354 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:50am

re: #347 darthstar

Nada. Don't worry. I don't expect most people who are strongly one-way or the other on the I/P debate to ever change their minds...that's for the next generation. It's a 20-30 year century process.

fixed

355 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:51am

re: #339 cliffster

I didn't realize Little Orphan Annie was posting here...

Oh, you made a funny!

356 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:55am

re: #347 darthstar

Nada. Don't worry. I don't expect most people who are strongly one-way or the other on the I/P debate to ever change their minds...that's for the next generation. It's a 20-30 year process.

Using the Irish model, it's a 400 year process.

357 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:59am

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Dragon Lady!

re: #321 MandyManners

We're doing the wild thing.

Good Morning, good morning! I like a happy thread first thing in the morning! :-)

358 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:01am

re: #352 Guanxi88

Yeah - I think they're like a sorta Appalachian version of the Seminoles. I imagine there's spanish, maybe a bit of turk, native american, run-away slave, and scots-irish all mixed in there. They're definitely one of the most interesting ethnic sub-groups in this country.

Where'd they get the blue eyes? Scots-Irish?

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:13am

re: #351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Back in a half hour...

Going for a two-fer?
//

360 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:18am

re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't been watching the Olympics much at all, but I like her.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

Yeah, all of a sudden, I'm interested in skiing now.

361 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:22am

re: #330 gymmom

I know your point, but in all honestly it's one of the least prejudice places I've ever been. I think part of it is there is no inner city and most people are poor or middle class, so everyone is in the same boat. I have to say Boston was the worst place I've lived in for open prejudice. Did you have the same experience Guanxi?

I was born and raised in Boston ,,,, lived there for the most part of my 1st 45 years

Have spent a LOT of time in most major cities/ areas of this country

Have lived in Atlanta for the last 11

I would have to say your perception is accurate

362 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:37am

re: #351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Back in a half hour...

You're going to have strong biceps after today

363 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:39am

re: #353 lawhawk

I think I'm in love.

364 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:08am

My family has a vacation house in Berkeley Springs. Great place to go to if you want a nice, quiet place to get away. The town has grown some, but it's still a nice small town and not too touristy.

365 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:17am

re: #310 gymmom

My father's folk are from the coal country west of Altoona, PA. I generally avoid political discussion when attending the family reunions. My father was an "escapee", as was his oldest sister who lived near Cleveland for years and years. The rest of the family lived in the area and bred.

No direct relatives who worked in the mines though. My grandfather was a truck driver, and the various uncles worked in mills in Johnstown. One of my uncles did lose his father and brother to a mine accident (coal dust explosion?) in 1942 or so. My father was sent out to be educated and became an engineer.

366 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:50am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Lindsay Vonn ,,, BADDER ASS!!

((YOU try skiing all out when your shin is not 100%))

It was very painful to watch all those wipeouts on the downhill slope.

367 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:06am

re: #358 MandyManners

Where'd they get the blue eyes? Scots-Irish?

Gotta be. Striking-looking people, and only a very limited idea of how they came to be:

Melungeons are defined as having racially mixed ancestry; thus, they do not exhibit characteristics that can be classified incontrovertibly as being of a single racial phenotype. Most modern-day descendants of Appalachian families traditionally regarded as Melungeon are generally Caucasian in appearance, often, though not always, with dark hair and eyes, and a swarthy or olive complexion. Descriptions of Melungeons vary widely from observer to observer, from "Middle Eastern" to "Native American" to "light-skinned African American."

A major factor in the wide variation in descriptions is the lack of a clear consensus on exactly who should be included under the term Melungeon. Almost every author on this subject gives a slightly different list of Melungeon-associated surnames, but the British surnames Collins and Gibson appear most frequently; genealogist Pat Elder calls them "core" surnames. Many researchers also include Bowling, Bunch, Goins, Goodman, Heard, Minor, Mise, Mullins, Wise, and several others (although not all families with these surnames are Melungeon). Not all of these families were necessarily of the same racial background, and each line must be examined individually. Ultimately, the answer to the question "Who or what are Melungeons?" depends largely on which families are included under that designation.

368 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:12am

re: #357 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning, good morning! I like a happy thread first thing in the morning! :-)

I'm still in a good mood from Mahmoud al Mabhouh getting whacked!

369 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:26am

re: #298 celticdragon

I have seen some aerospace employers that were fine, and I have seen some serious shenanigans where time cards were being altered and workers were being asked to accept pay cuts while management was handing out 500,000 dollar bonuses to themselves and raiding compensation funds (people left in handcuffs escorted by the FBI over that one in Greensboro, I understand). If a union had tried to open shop, I would have signed on. We were preparing for a one day walk out as it was before the management started taking us seriously.

Yeah stories like that are reasons that I just can't be opposed to the basic idea of unions. At the place that was disgusting I would have signed up if one showed up in a heartbeat and would likely have worked at organizing it. My experience with the negotiations gave me another perspective.

Now I'm my own union and if and when I get to the stage when I have regular employees I know how I'm going to run my business and it's not going to be based on the horrible examples.

370 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:39am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Indeed. He won without throwing down that second run. And then he goes and gives the crowd a show he thought they deserved - a victory lap that topped even his first run.

Vonn's downhill win was all the more impressive though because she did it while hurt; and racers both before and after her crashed in spectacular fashion on that last jump before the finish line - Vonn nearly did the same but just barely held on. Mancuso's run was impressive enough- no one thought anyone could top it - and her nearest competitor was nearly a half second behind her - Vonn then beat her by nearly a half second. That was the most impressive US downhill finish in an Olympics ... ever.

371 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:03am

re: #348 celticdragon

..snip Pinkerton didn't play around and they were willing to shoot a lot of people to make a point. ......

Homestead steelworkers found a cure for that.

372 brennant  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:08am

This is nice.

Tea party speaker: I want to hang Patty Murray

"How many of you have watched the movie 'Lonesome Dove?'" asked one speaker from the podium. "What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd? He got hung. And that's what I want to do with (Sen.) Patty Murray."

You may not like Senator Murray, but saying you want her hanged is bat-shit crazy.

373 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:18am

re: #327 darthstar

Maybe...maybe not. Reinventing oneself usually has broad side effects. They start paying their bills, and the next thing you know, their economy improves, and wha?--they realize trade with Israel might be better than war with it. Miracles happen. ;)

Oh, tell me, who first declared, who first proclaimed that man only does nasty things because he does not know his own real interests; and that if he were enlightened, if his eyes were opened to his real normal interests, man would at once cease to do nasty things, would at once become good and noble because, being enlightened and understanding his real advantage, he would see his own advantage in the good and nothing else… . Oh, the babe! Oh, the pure, innocent child!
-- Fyodor Dostoevsky

374 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:19am

re: #367 Guanxi88

Have they done genetic studies?

375 AK-47%  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:27am

re: #5 laZardo

Who needs Buddha nature when you can attach a tank-like base onto the bottom of your car?

[Video]

Talk about full circle in a Zen Buddhist sense, the Russians were the first nation to produce a tank (based on an American design) that allowed them to take the treads off and drive it like a car...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

376 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:31am

FBC, she likes poles!

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

377 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:54am

re: #372 brennant

Such incredibly irresponsible language. Not to mention a complete lack of decency.

378 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:15am

re: #344 Guanxi88

Funny you say Boston. BU, calss of '95.

Yeah, our "rich" aren't rich, and our poor don't have much less than anyone else you might happen to know.

My family were one of the few Jewish clans around, and we got more grief for my father backing Arch Moore than we did for anything else.


HA! I have a graduate degree from BU class of '93! One of us is stalking the other!

379 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:28am

re: #366 Alouette

It was very painful to watch all those wipeouts on the downhill slope.

The course is really beat up from lack of snow, warmer conditions during the day which causes ice and all the practice runs

380 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:31am

re: #372 brennant

Asshole.

381 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:41am

Just stumbled across this article in the NYTimes. Thought I'd post it here for the benefit of Walter L. Newton. I seem to recall him roundly mocking me for describing CBS' practice of classifying full time employees as "contractors."

U.S. Cracks Down on "Contractors" as a Tax Dodge

382 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:44am

re: #353 lawhawk

For every school that Hizbullah supposedly runs, how many bunkers and weapons caches are stored nearby so that when the shooting starts, they can claim Israel is targeting civilians?

437. They have four hundred and thirty seven bunkers full of nukes, biological weapons, and wrist-rockets for every school they run. Hypothesizing for the purpose of fomenting fear and hate isn't exactly the most productive thing one can do with one's time.

Sometimes, acknowledging that someone is doing something not evil is enough to encourage them to behave similarly in the future. It doesn't mean you have to love them, or abandon your defense of those you love.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go hug a tree.

383 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:47am

re: #340 MandyManners

Did you ever see any?

Not that I know of. I was a pretty naive kid and didn't really understand anything about ethnicity until I left WV.

384 brennant  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:53am

re: #380 MandyManners

Asshole.

Agreed.

385 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:04am

re: #374 MandyManners

Have they done genetic studies?

Yeah - there's a mixture of predominately western european and african genetic material, but enough oddities - such as a few traces of north african also common among Sephardi - as to make the whole thing a bit of a head-scratcher.

386 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:12am

It's warming up, so today might be my last day re-roofing the place--BBL.

387 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:32am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Using the Irish model, it's a 400 year process.

Maybe...but I'm hopeful...ever hopeful. We've got enough "kill the fuckers anyway" types to balance me out.

388 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:46am

I think I am having one of those emotional days.

This video clip from Tom Brokaw, made for the Winter Olympic audience describing the relationship between Canada and the US brought a tear to my eye.

389 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:31am

re: #383 gymmom

Not that I know of. I was a pretty naive kid and didn't really understand anything about ethnicity until I left WV.

From what I recall, it was a pretty insular place.

390 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:57am

re: #388 Buck

(((Buck)))

391 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:57:09am

re: #389 MandyManners

From what I recall, it was a pretty insular place.

Hell - look at a topographic map and you'll see why.

392 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:57:59am

re: #382 darthstar

437. They have four hundred and thirty seven bunkers full of nukes, biological weapons, and wrist-rockets for every school they run. Hypothesizing for the purpose of fomenting fear and hate isn't exactly the most productive thing one can do with one's time.

Sometimes, acknowledging that someone is doing something not evil is enough to encourage them to behave similarly in the future. It doesn't mean you have to love them, or abandon your defense of those you love.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go hug a tree.

Are there unicorns where you live?

393 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:14am

re: #382 darthstar

Don't take my word for it - the Guardian said that they've been busy with building bunkers all over the place.

But what is becoming more obvious, even as Hizbollah tries to hide it, is that the group has embarked on an unprecedented build-up of men, equipment and bunker-building in preparation for the war that almost everyone - Lebanese and Israeli - considers inevitable. 'The villages in the south are empty of men,' said one international official. 'They are all gone, training in Bekaa, Syria and Iran.'

A trip by The Observer through villages in the Hizbollah heartland confirmed a conspicuous lack of fighting-age men. Visible were several new martyr posters, but unlike the traditional ones they portrayed anonymous, fresh-faced youngsters without military garb. According to locals, these are boys who have been killed accidentally in the latest wave of training in Iran. In the city of Tyre, too, posters showing young men killed in training exercises are cropping up. One is of Ahmad Hashem, killed while instructing recruits in the use of rocket-propelled grenades.

The initial training and selection of recruits is done in Lebanon, with Iran preferred for training on specialities - use of certain weapons, RPGs and anti-tank missiles - that require firing live rounds. 'But mostly the training in Iran is in theoretical things: philosophy, religion. The best training for fighting is done here in Lebanon,' said a fighter. 'We are so close to Israel here that our training becomes real.'

394 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:27am

re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't been watching the Olympics much at all, but I like her.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

The local news has been going nuts over her win. She's from around here somewhere, the local ski lodge where she practiced even held a "Lindsey Vonn party" where they watched her performance on the rebroadcast.

395 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:28am

re: #381 drcordell

Just stumbled across this article in the NYTimes. Thought I'd post it here for the benefit of Walter L. Newton. I seem to recall him roundly mocking me for describing CBS' practice of classifying full time employees as "contractors."

U.S. Cracks Down on "Contractors" as a Tax Dodge

If you get a 1099, you are an independent contractor. People in all industries get a desk, phone, and work the same job for months or even years and they keep their contractor status.

396 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:28am

re: #375 ralphieboy

That was popular in the 20s for tank designs due to the fact that tread-life was low. And it was still preferred to move tanks around via trailers (and railcar) as much as possible to save wear and tear (on both the tanks and the roads).

This included armored transporters.

Dragon Wagon

397 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:47am

re: #392 Buck

Are there unicorns where you live?

Yes, and they still shit skittles.

398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:56am

re: #388 Buck


[Link: www.bustedtees.com...]

399 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:15am

re: #395 cliffster

If you get a 1099, you are an independent contractor. People in all industries get a desk, phone, and work the same job for months or even years and they keep their contractor status.

And that's illegal. If you get a company provided phone and desk, and show up to their office every morning, you aren't a contractor.

400 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:29am

re: #381 drcordell

Just stumbled across this article in the NYTimes. Thought I'd post it here for the benefit of Walter L. Newton. I seem to recall him roundly mocking me for describing CBS' practice of classifying full time employees as "contractors."

U.S. Cracks Down on "Contractors" as a Tax Dodge


Do you even read what you post befroehand??

Companies do not withhold income taxes from contractors’ paychecks, and several studies have indicated that, on average, misclassified independent workers do not report 30 percent of their income.


SO ,,, the employee doesn't report his full income, and thats the employers fault !?!?!?

AND ,,, now BECUASE the employee didn't report their full income,, the gov't wants to punish the EMPLOYER !?!?

What could POSSIBLY go wrong !?!?!

401 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:45am

re: #399 drcordell

And that's illegal. If you get a company provided phone and desk, and show up to their office every morning, you aren't a contractor.

Oh really now. I'll be sure to tell all the contractors working in my building, then.

402 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:59am

re: #391 Guanxi88

Hell - look at a topographic map and you'll see why.

Pocohontas was as far as I got.

403 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:22am

re: #392 Buck

Are there unicorns where you live?

And, they poop petunias!

404 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:16am

Oh, spare me.

405 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:33am

re: #389 MandyManners

From what I recall, it was a pretty insular place.

What's sad is I was speaking with the folks back there this past weekend. A house two blocks over from us, in what had been a very nice & quiet part of town blew up.

Meth.

It's everywhere. Freakin' everywhere. My folk have gone back to the bad old days of paranoia - alarm system on doors & windows, motion sensor lights, upgraded dogs, shotgun in the kitchen, one revolver hung by a nail by each door. Freakin' meth-heads are tearing the town and county to pieces, from what they tell me.

Scary stuff.

406 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:34am

re: #399 drcordell

And that's illegal. If you get a company provided phone and desk, and show up to their office every morning, you aren't a contractor.

That's cool. Wrong, but cool.

407 celticdragon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:45am

re: #371 Decatur Deb

Homestead steelworkers found a cure for that.

Wow. That was pretty crazy. The union went overboard on that one.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:02am

My radio just had Obama on saying the defict is to high. So he's putting together a commision. Great.

409 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:08am

re: #400 sattv4u2

Independent contractors - and classifying who is an employee is a big deal - both for the employers and for the individual taxpayer. Calling yourself an IC means you have to self-withhold, and you can play all kinds of tricks with reporting income; if you're an employer who is underreporting income by employees, you too are facing a big problem with the IRS - and that usually means underreporting UI/Social Security, etc.

410 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:08am

re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Link: www.bustedtees.com...]

Canada is not really a place where you are encouraged to have large spiritual adventures.
~ Robertson Davies, in, The Enthusiasms of Robertson Davies, "The Table Talk of Robertson Davies"

I see Canada as a country torn between a very northern, rather extraordinary, mystical spirit which it fears and its desire to present itself to the world as a Scotch banker.
~ ibidem

It is wonderful to feel the grandness of Canada in the raw, not because she is Canada but because she's something sublime that you were born into, some great rugged power that you are a part of.
~ Emily Carr, in Hundreds and Thousands: The Journals of Emily Carr, entry for 16 April 1937

The beginning of Canadian cultural nationalism was not "Am I really that oppressed?" but "Am I really that boring?"
~ Margaret Atwood, in an interview published in the Ontario Review

411 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:25am

re: #405 Guanxi88

What's sad is I was speaking with the folks back there this past weekend. A house two blocks over from us, in what had been a very nice & quiet part of town blew up.

Meth.

It's everywhere. Freakin' everywhere. My folk have gone back to the bad old days of paranoia - alarm system on doors & windows, motion sensor lights, upgraded dogs, shotgun in the kitchen, one revolver hung by a nail by each door. Freakin' meth-heads are tearing the town and county to pieces, from what they tell me.

Scary stuff.

What're the state police doing?

412 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:41am

re: #402 MandyManners

Pocohontas was as far as I got.

Mountains, rugged, rugged mountains cut the state in half, and the bulk of the place is hills and hollows - road-building has always been a challenge.

Land's not great for farming, so no great populations.

413 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:48am

re: #408 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just had Obama on saying the defict is to high. So he's putting together a commision. Great.

Study a thing to death.

414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:15am

A friend of mine just posted this on Facebook.

If you ask a someone "Do you want to dance?, and they say "No", just say, "No? Really? You look fat in those pants".

Just hit me funny.

415 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:16am

re: #401 thedopefishlives

Oh really now. I'll be sure to tell all the contractors working in my building, then.

It is way more complicated.

Do they provide their own tools? Can they work for others, when they aren't on your job site?

There is a list of 10 tests.... I remember needing to watch it when I was a contractor.

I provided my own computer (laptop) for example.

416 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:49am

85 Victims of Hezbollah Terrorist Rocket Attacks File Unprecedented Civil Suit Against Iran's Central Bank and Iranian Commercial Banks in D.C. Court

Eighty five American, Israeli and Canadian victims of Hezbollah rocket attacks have filed an unprecedented lawsuit against the Central Bank of Iran ("CBI"), Bank Saderat Iran of Teheran and Bank Saderat, PLC of London. The suit, Kaplan v. Central Bank of Iran, was filed in federal court in Washington, D.C. and seeks $1 billion in compensatory damages and an unspecified sum of punitive damages.

The plaintiffs, whose family members were killed or who were themselves injured by rockets fired at Israel by Hezbollah between July 12 and August 14, 2006, allege that the banks, which are controlled by the Iranian government, provided Hezbollah with over $50 million in financial support in the years prior to the attacks with the specific intent of facilitating Hezbollah terrorist attacks against American and Israeli targets. The plaintiffs assert that Hezbollah used the funds transferred by the Iranian banks to prepare for and carry out the rocket barrage which it rained on Israeli cities.

The plaintiffs rest their claims in part on an explicit October 25, 2007 finding by the U.S. Treasury that between 2001 and 2006 Bank Saderat transferred funds from the CBI via Bank Saderat, PLC in London to Hezbollah to support acts of terrorism.

417 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:54am

re: #399 drcordell

And that's illegal. If you get a company provided phone and desk, and show up to their office every morning, you aren't a contractor.

I worked for many years as a contractor at Ford. I worked on Ford projects, in a Ford building, using Ford equipment, wearing a Ford ID, and had an email address ending in ford.com.

But my paycheck was issued by the contracting agency, who also provided my benefits, therefore I was a contractor.

418 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:07am

re: #400 sattv4u2

Do you even read what you post befroehand??

Companies do not withhold income taxes from contractors’ paychecks, and several studies have indicated that, on average, misclassified independent workers do not report 30 percent of their income.

SO ,,, the employee doesn't report his full income, and thats the employers fault !?!?!?

AND ,,, now BECUASE the employee didn't report their full income,, the gov't wants to punish the EMPLOYER !?!?

What could POSSIBLY go wrong !?!?!

Go back and read the entire article, you imbecile.


Portraying regular workers as contractors allows companies to circumvent minimum wage, overtime and antidiscrimination laws. Workers classified as contractors do not receive unemployment insurance if laid off or workers’ compensation if injured, and they rarely receive the health insurance or other fringe benefits regular employees do.

You're right. All of the employees being classified illegally as "contractors" are doing so of their own accord. Why on EARTH would they want to qualify for overtime pay, unemployment benefits or healthcare benefits? If you lack the basic comprehension skills to read an entire article before melting down, please just stop posting.

419 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:15am

re: #409 lawhawk

Independent contractors - and classifying who is an employee is a big deal - both for the employers and for the individual taxpayer. Calling yourself an IC means you have to self-withhold, and you can play all kinds of tricks with reporting income; if you're an employer who is underreporting income by employees, you too are facing a big problem with the IRS - and that usually means underreporting UI/Social Security, etc.

It's the contractores responsibility to report all income. They can also report all expenses as deductions.

The employers responsibility is to accurately keep record of and report all compensation given to a contractor

420 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:24am

re: #412 Guanxi88

Mountains, rugged, rugged mountains cut the state in half, and the bulk of the place is hills and hollows - road-building has always been a challenge.

Land's not great for farming, so no great populations.

It's not almost heaven. It *is* heaven.

421 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:28am

re: #408 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just had Obama on saying the defict is to high. So he's putting together a commision. Great.

Not just a commission. A blue ribbon commission. It'll take some serious brainpower to come up with the idea that, in order to get out of debt, you must first stop borrowing money.

422 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:38am

re: #411 MandyManners

What're the state police doing?

What they can. The WV state police are not a large force by any means.

423 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:48am

re: #418 drcordell

Go back and read the entire article, you imbecile.

End of discussion!

424 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:00am

re: #405 Guanxi88

What's sad is I was speaking with the folks back there this past weekend. A house two blocks over from us, in what had been a very nice & quiet part of town blew up.

Meth.

It's everywhere. Freakin' everywhere. My folk have gone back to the bad old days of paranoia - alarm system on doors & windows, motion sensor lights, upgraded dogs, shotgun in the kitchen, one revolver hung by a nail by each door. Freakin' meth-heads are tearing the town and county to pieces, from what they tell me.

Scary stuff.

I have an acquaintance from HS who lives on that street!

425 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:31am

re: #418 drcordell

You've got a chance here to make your argument without losing your cool.

426 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:48am

re: #382 darthstar

437. They have four hundred and thirty seven bunkers full of nukes, biological weapons, and wrist-rockets for every school they run. Hypothesizing for the purpose of fomenting fear and hate isn't exactly the most productive thing one can do with one's time.

Sometimes, acknowledging that someone is doing something not evil is enough to encourage them to behave similarly in the future. It doesn't mean you have to love them, or abandon your defense of those you love.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go hug a tree.

You know I think the problem is that they have a completely different way of think of what "evil" really is. Lets not forget these people think that freedom is "evil", that doing what you what instead of what your family wants is "evil", they think completely utterly different from us here in the U.S.. Now I'm not saying that just because they think differently that they're right, I'm just trying to understand where they're coming from. Thats the Taoist in me, I try to understand the other guy so I can see where they're coming from. And if hugging a tree makes you feel better I have four 8ft Ficus trees you can snuggle up to, keep in mind I live in an apartment...

427 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:52am

re: #412 Guanxi88

Mountains, rugged, rugged mountains cut the state in half, and the bulk of the place is hills and hollows - road-building has always been a challenge.

Land's not great for farming, so no great populations.

Plus, they live so far back in the hollows they have to pipe in daylight, as the saying goes.

428 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:52am

re: #420 MandyManners

It's not almost heaven. It *is* heaven.


[Video]

Give you another one, the State anthem, sung in the mountain style:

429 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:06am

re: #423 sattv4u2

Go back and read the entire article, you imbecile.

End of discussion!

Hahahahahaha. You do realize that's how imbecile is spelled. Imbecile.

430 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:15am

re: #424 gymmom

I have an acquaintance from HS who lives on that street!

Lincoln ave?

431 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:33am

Karma You Can See
[Link: www.nationaljewelernetwork.com...]

NYPD nabs 'person of interest' in jeweler's murder
February 17, 2010

New York--New York police have a "person of interest" in custody in connection to the recent fatal shooting of 71-year-old jeweler Henry Menahem, according to a release from the Jewelers Security Alliance (JSA).
SNIP

There are the nicest comments under this story about this man. And he shot a defenseless old man for his inventory.

432 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:01am

re: #427 The Sanity Inspector

Plus, they live so far back in the hollows they have to pipe in daylight, as the saying goes. half the time they can't get the essentials of life, and half the time, it ain't worth drinking.

433 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:07am

I have to go in a min, but guanx do you introduce yourself to anyone wearing WV gear? I do. It drives my family crazy!

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:09am

re: #413 MandyManners

Study a thing to death.

Have a deficit.
Create a commission to study the deficit.
The commission studies the deficit to death.
No more deficit.

PROFIT!

435 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:44am

re: #357 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning, good morning! I like a happy thread first thing in the morning! :-)

So do I.

436 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:45am

re: #429 drcordell

Hahahahahaha. You do realize that's how imbecile is spelled. Imbecile.

I think he was getting to the fact that when you resort to name calling, it's petty.

437 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:59am

re: #430 Guanxi88

Lincoln ave?

I'm their "friend" on facebook and they just mentioned the episode.

438 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:17am

re: #422 Guanxi88

What they can. The WV state police are not a large force by any means.

Perfect situation for the methheads.

439 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:20am

re: #405 Guanxi88

What's sad is I was speaking with the folks back there this past weekend. A house two blocks over from us, in what had been a very nice & quiet part of town blew up.

Meth.

It's everywhere. Freakin' everywhere. My folk have gone back to the bad old days of paranoia - alarm system on doors & windows, motion sensor lights, upgraded dogs, shotgun in the kitchen, one revolver hung by a nail by each door. Freakin' meth-heads are tearing the town and county to pieces, from what they tell me.

Scary stuff.

The trend up here is to put grow-ops and sometimes meth labs into higher to really high income neighborhoods. This affords them two things apparently, people just don't assume that these things would go on in THAT type of neighborhood and the general neighborhood culture is to keep to yourself so no one notices. There's even been a couple of instances of grow-ops in gated communities.

440 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:26am

re: #417 Alouette

I worked for many years as a contractor at Ford. I worked on Ford projects, in a Ford building, using Ford equipment, wearing a Ford ID, and had an email address ending in ford.com.

But my paycheck was issued by the contracting agency, who also provided my benefits, therefore I was a contractor.

Right. You were employed by a third party, who then was contracted by Ford to provide work. That's perfectly legitimate. The situation described in the article, and what I experienced firsthand is different. I was working directly for CBS, using their equipment at their offices, scheduled full time 40+ hours a week. And they labeled me a "contractor" to avoid paying any payroll taxes, or to provide me with any overtime pay or benefits. It's wrong, and illegal.

441 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:28am

re: #433 gymmom

I have to go in a min, but guanx do you introduce yourself to anyone wearing WV gear? I do. It drives my family crazy!

I have to. There's scarcely more than a million of us Mountaineers out there - chances are, I'm connected to them somehow, someway. 'Course, even if we aren't, you pretend. It's the WV way.

442 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:29am

re: #418 drcordell


Go back and read the entire article, you imbecile.

You come and start calling people names almost immediately, every time.



You're right. All of the employees being classified illegally as "contractors" are doing so of their own accord. Why on EARTH would they want to qualify for overtime pay, unemployment benefits or healthcare benefits? If you lack the basic comprehension skills to read an entire article before melting down, please just stop posting.

Dr, Heal thyself.

443 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:49am

re: #418 drcordell

Flunked the Dale Carnegie course again?

444 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:05am

re: #417 Alouette

I worked for many years as a contractor at Ford. I worked on Ford projects, in a Ford building, using Ford equipment, wearing a Ford ID, and had an email address ending in ford.com.

But my paycheck was issued by the contracting agency, who also provided my benefits, therefore I was a contractor.

That's what I've been doing for the government for almost 4 years.

445 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:10am

re: #429 drcordell

Hahahahahaha. You do realize that's how imbecile is spelled. Imbecile.

Wasn't highlighted for spelling ,,,,, WAS for resorting to (as is your wont ) name calling!

446 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:16am

re: #425 Obdicut

You've got a chance here to make your argument without losing your cool.

He can't.

447 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:25am

re: #425 Obdicut

Again...

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:28am

re: #420 MandyManners

Fat City (who sang back up on the original recording) became ...

THE STARLAND VOCAL BAND!

Yep. The "Afternoon Delight" folks.

449 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:37am

re: #446 MandyManners

I hold out hope.

450 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:37am

re: #442 cliffster

gmta (445)

451 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:07am

re: #437 gymmom

I'm their "friend" on facebook and they just mentioned the episode.

Yeah, my good buddy's grandparents - and just about half the grandparents of the folk I knew growing up - lived there. Nice, quiet little place, with little houses for grandma and grandpa.

Ordnance Park is more or less a lost cause, from what I hear. I used to know a whole buncha folk lived over there.

452 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:19am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fat City (who sang back up on the original recording) became ...

THE STARLAND VOCAL BAND!

Yep. The "Afternoon Delight" folks.

They need to be punished.

453 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:21am

re: #382 darthstar

437. They have four hundred and thirty seven bunkers full of nukes, biological weapons, and wrist-rockets for every school they run. Hypothesizing for the purpose of fomenting fear and hate isn't exactly the most productive thing one can do with one's time.

Sometimes, acknowledging that someone is doing something not evil is enough to encourage them to behave similarly in the future. It doesn't mean you have to love them, or abandon your defense of those you love.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go hug a tree.

You neglected to mention the unicorns.
It always amazes me when otherwise rational, hard-nosed people choose to engage in flights of cowardly amoral fantasy when faced with true evil.

454 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:22am

re: #440 drcordell

See how that paragraph is more convincing because you don't stoop to personal attacks within it?

455 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:38am

re: #440 drcordell

Right. You were employed by a third party, who then was contracted by Ford to provide work. That's perfectly legitimate. The situation described in the article, and what I experienced firsthand is different. I was working directly for CBS, using their equipment at their offices, scheduled full time 40+ hours a week. And they labeled me a "contractor" to avoid paying any payroll taxes, or to provide me with any overtime pay or benefits. It's wrong, and illegal.

On this issue, I agree with you.
Not that it gives me any pleasure whatsoever to do so.

456 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:58am

re: #428 Guanxi88

Give you another one, the State anthem, sung in the mountain style:

[Video]

I'd give the X's left nut to move there.

457 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:21am

Homeland Security reports losing guns

The nation's Homeland Security officers lost nearly 200 guns in bowling alleys, public restrooms, unlocked cars and other unsecure areas, with some ending up in the hands of felons. The problem, outlined in a new federal report, has prompted disciplinary actions and extra training.

Most of the misplaced weapons — including handguns, shotguns and military rifles — were never found. "Most losses occurred because officers did not properly secure firearms," says the Homeland Security inspector general report.

At least 15 of the guns ended up in the hands of gang members, criminals, drug users and teenagers, inspector general Richard Skinner found. His report documented 289 missing firearms from fiscal year 2006 through 2008, although not all were lost because of negligence. Some were lost in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and others were stolen from safes.

458 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:30am

re: #436 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think he was getting to the fact that when you resort to name calling, it's petty.

Uh, go read his immediate response to my post. It's filled with all caps, exclamations, and poorly-spelled insults. Every time I try and bring up an issue here, Sattvu immediately jumps in and starts acting like a crazed idiot. Posting replies that don't even make any sense and hijacking the entire thread with his misspelled rantings. I'm getting fucking sick of it. So yes, I called him an imbecile for cherry picking ONE SENTENCE out of an entire article and then telling me to "read what I post befroehand (sic)."

459 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:32am

re: #454 Obdicut

See how that paragraph is more convincing because you don't stoop to personal attacks within it?

hahaha!
And what better proof of that than the fact I actually agreed with cordell on this?
LOL.

460 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:34am

re: #451 Guanxi88

Yeah, my good buddy's grandparents - and just about half the grandparents of the folk I knew growing up - lived there. Nice, quiet little place, with little houses for grandma and grandpa.

Ordnance Park is more or less a lost cause, from what I hear. I used to know a whole buncha folk lived over there.

Wow, I never hear this stuff from my family.

461 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #440 drcordell

Right. You were employed by a third party, who then was contracted by Ford to provide work. That's perfectly legitimate. The situation described in the article, and what I experienced firsthand is different. I was working directly for CBS, using their equipment at their offices, scheduled full time 40+ hours a week. And they labeled me a "contractor" to avoid paying any payroll taxes, or to provide me with any overtime pay or benefits. It's wrong, and illegal.

MOVE ON.

462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:46am

re: #456 MandyManners

Boy, you are generous with his nuts...
/

463 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:21am

re: #444 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's what I've been doing for the government for almost 4 years.

Maybe you worked for the company that provided you with the paycheck, and benefits? I just mean you weren't a contractor to them....

464 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:36am

re: #392 Buck

Are there unicorns where you live?

Hahaha. GMTA.

465 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:37am

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

Homeland Security reports losing guns

Now why doesn't that surprise me? SNAFU time!

466 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:43am

re: #455 reine.de.tout

Have you read Erin Hoffman's piece about the terrible practices at EA? It doesn't relate to the contractor thing directly, but it's a powerful read.

[Link: ea-spouse.livejournal.com...]

467 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:52am

re: #438 MandyManners

Perfect situation for the methheads.

Actually, lord forbid the WV state police have to get mixed up in it too much. They are more or less a paramilitary force - the Saudi princes train their bodyguards at the State Academy, Stormin' Norman's bodyguard in the Gulf War was a graduate. When the civvies, the local sheriff, and the County boys can't handle it, they'll bring in the Staties. Thing is, in general, that means a serious escalation in the thing, and usually means someone's gonna die.

468 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:55am

re: #463 Buck

Maybe you worked for the company that provided you with the paycheck, and benefits? I just mean you weren't a contractor to them...

I'm considered a sub-contractor.

469 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:13:03am

re: #461 MandyManners

MOVE ON.

I brought it up specifically because there is a relevant article about the practice in today's NYTimes. I'm sorry that this topic annoys you?

470 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:13:10am

re: #462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy, you are generous with his nuts...
/

I have one mounted over one of my fireplaces.

471 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:13:47am

re: #466 Obdicut

Have you read Erin Hoffman's piece about the terrible practices at EA? It doesn't relate to the contractor thing directly, but it's a powerful read.

[Link: ea-spouse.livejournal.com...]

Reading now . ..

472 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:13:55am

re: #467 Guanxi88

Actually, lord forbid the WV state police have to get mixed up in it too much. They are more or less a paramilitary force - the Saudi princes train their bodyguards at the State Academy, Stormin' Norman's bodyguard in the Gulf War was a graduate. When the civvies, the local sheriff, and the County boys can't handle it, they'll bring in the Staties. Thing is, in general, that means a serious escalation in the thing, and usually means someone's gonna die.

As long as it's a baddie.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:13:57am

re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar

They need to be punished.

Well, you're right...

474 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:24am

re: #461 MandyManners

MOVE ON.

Face in Mandy, some people just can't or won't, and he's one of them. I've given up on him, he's just too adversarial for me to deal with so I try to ignore him.

475 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:44am

re: #454 Obdicut

See how that paragraph is more convincing because you don't stoop to personal attacks within it?

It's true. I should really avoid stooping down to the level of my antagonizers.

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:46am

re: #470 MandyManners

Can't believe I just dinged that.

477 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:54am

re: #474 Dragon_Lady

Face in Mandy, some people just can't or won't, and he's one of them. I've given up on him, he's just too adversarial for me to deal with so I try to ignore him.

Works the GAZE muscle.

478 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:57am

Small plane crashed into a building in Austin

Right down the highway from the cliffster estate

479 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:00am

re: #469 drcordell

No, Dr, she was saying move on from the 'who started it' analysis, I do believe, and I agree with her.

You did a perfectly good job of presenting your argument. Stooping to personal attacks, even in self-defense, is never going to do anything good for you.

480 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:02am

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson

Durham police arrested Duke lacrosse accuser Crystal Gale Mangum, 33, late Wednesday after she allegedly assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him.

Her bond was set at $1 million. Mangum has been appointed a public defender and is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.

Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer.

481 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:10am

re: #460 gymmom

Wow, I never hear this stuff from my family.

Yeah, I've gotta catch Ma in just the right mood to get her to tell me what's going on there. She's ashamed and embarrassed and yet still proud - a true WV complex.

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:31am

re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, you're right...

GAH!! I should have known not to click...

483 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:32am

George Will: Why Palin Will Never Be President. The short version - the more people see her, the less they like her and consider her not presidential material.

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:52am

re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar

heh

485 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:55am

re: #475 drcordell

It's true. I should really avoid stooping down to the level of my antagonizers.

Cordell, Cordell, Cordell, you just never learn.

486 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:22am

re: #478 cliffster

Small plane crashed into a building in Austin

Right down the highway from the cliffster estate

Holy cows!

You see why folk like to live south of Town ladybird lake?

487 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:28am

re: #475 drcordell

Like that post. That post itself implies that you're better than your 'antagonizers'. But if you engage in the same behavior, no, you're not. It does not matter who struck first.

That kind of passive-aggressive posting just makes me roll my eyes. It's a waste of a post-- it inflames, and that's all it does. Why post it?

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:51am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson

Will Gloria Alred defend her?

489 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:07am

re: #477 MandyManners

Works the GAZE muscle.

YUP!

490 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:17am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson

Not a picture of rationality.

491 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:22am

re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar

They need to be punished.

I think the "Anchorman" revision of the song was a pretty good penance.

492 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:24am

re: #485 cliffster

Cordell, Cordell, Cordell, you just never learn.

That's Dr. Cordell, please. I didn't go through 8 years of online college and 4 years of internet forum residency to have people call me Mr. Cordell.

493 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:54am

re: #483 lawhawk

George Will: Why Palin Will Never Be President. The short version - the more people see her, the less they like her and consider her not presidential material.

I have a different problem

The more I 'see" her the more I like her BUT the less she looks like a viable candidate for higher office

494 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:15am

re: #487 Obdicut

Like that post. That post itself implies that you're better than your 'antagonizers'. But if you engage in the same behavior, no, you're not. It does not matter who struck first.

That kind of passive-aggressive posting just makes me roll my eyes. It's a waste of a post-- it inflames, and that's all it does. Why post it?

Dammit when you're right, you're right.

495 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:36am

re: #486 Guanxi88

Holy cows!

You see why folk like to live south of Town ladybird lake?

It'll always be Town Lake to me. I used to live in South Austin, and there'll always be a special place in my heart for it.

496 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:39am

re: #491 MrSilverDragon

I think the "Anchorman" revision of the song was a pretty good penance.

I like the karaoke version on Arrested Development.

497 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:41am

re: #485 cliffster

Cordell, Cordell, Cordell, you just never learn.

And he never will.

498 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:42am

re: #493 sattv4u2

I have a different problem

The more I 'see" her the more I like her BUT the less she looks like a viable candidate for higher office

If your erection lasts four hours,...

499 gymmom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:53am

Well, have a good day - I have to get some stuff done. Now I'm going to have to ask all WVians I meet if they post on LGFs! I'm sure we'll meet someday, Guanxi.

500 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:14am

re: #498 MandyManners

If your erection lasts four hours,...

Is there room over one of your fireplaces for it !"?!?!

501 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:26am

re: #492 drcordell

That's Dr. Cordell, please. I didn't go through 8 years of online college and 4 years of internet forum residency to have people call me Mr. Cordell.

I'm going through online barber college. What could go wrong.
//

502 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:00am

re: #500 sattv4u2

Is there room over one of your fireplaces for it !"?!?!

I'll resist the obvious quip.

503 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:39am

re: #483 lawhawk

George Will: Why Palin Will Never Be President. The short version - the more people see her, the less they like her and consider her not presidential material.

Looks like the beltway "elites" that created the Palin nightmare are finally beginning to turn on their own creation. The question is, are they too late? I don't think she's viable for national office, but she certainly has the ability to make life miserable for anyone she chooses to target. Will, Kristol et al. might be a little scared.

504 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:55am

re: #502 MandyManners

I'll resist the obvious quip.

Use it as a poker?

505 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:59am

re: #500 sattv4u2

Is there room over one of your fireplaces for it !"?!?!

The dollhouse fireplace? Probably...

506 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:07am

re: #498 MandyManners

If your erection lasts four hours,...

LMAO on that one! Excellent Mandy! Upding for the humor :-)

507 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:21am

re: #494 drcordell

Hell, if it takes something as simple as counting to ten, or looking at a picture of an adorable puppy or something, do it. That's what I do (not the puppy bit) and it's stopped many a stupid post. Not all of them, of course, and sometimes I break my own rules, but it's good to not just immediately start typing a reply. Give it a few heartbeats, and remember that more people than just the one you're writing to can read your words.

/end sanctimonious mode.

508 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:16am

re: #492 drcordell

That's Dr. Cordell, please. I didn't go through 8 years of online college and 4 years of internet forum residency to have people call me Mr. Cordell.

dr?...ahaha!....and I'm an rock star...this is the internet, be whoever you want

509 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:36am

re: #505 cliffster

The dollhouse fireplace? Probably...

OUCH ,, now thats just MEAN!

(although ,,, prolly accurate!!))

(((BTW ,,,, "probably" was spelled wrong on PURPOSE ,,, just in case the spell check/ typo police are still about!!)))

:)

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:12am

re: #492 drcordell

Gosh, I enjoy you when you're being funny and civil.

What a hysterical post!

511 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:29am

re: #507 Obdicut

Hell, if it takes something as simple as counting to ten, or looking at a picture of an adorable puppy or something, do it. That's what I do (not the puppy bit) and it's stopped many a stupid post. Not all of them, of course, and sometimes I break my own rules, but it's good to not just immediately start typing a reply. Give it a few heartbeats, and remember that more people than just the one you're writing to can read your words.

/end sanctimonious mode.

Did you say "puppy"?

512 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:34am

re: #509 sattv4u2

OUCH ,, now thats just MEAN!

(although ,,, prolly accurate!!))

(((BTW ,,, "probably" was spelled wrong on PURPOSE ,,, just in case the spell check/ typo police are still about!!)))

:)

Yer stoopid.
/

513 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:41am

re: #507 Obdicut

Hell, if it takes something as simple as counting to ten, or looking at a picture of an adorable puppy or something, do it. That's what I do (not the puppy bit) and it's stopped many a stupid post. Not all of them, of course, and sometimes I break my own rules, but it's good to not just immediately start typing a reply. Give it a few heartbeats, and remember that more people than just the one you're writing to can read your words.

/end sanctimonious mode.

Usually to calm myself down I just stare at the printout of this picture that I have hanging on my cubicle wall. Works like a charm.

514 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:46am

re: #492 drcordell

That's Dr. Cordell, please. I didn't go through 8 years of online college and 4 years of internet forum residency to have people call me Mr. Cordell.

Doctorate of Couch Potato?

515 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:02am

re: #492 drcordell

That's Dr. Cordell, please. I didn't go through 8 years of online college and 4 years of internet forum residency to have people call me Mr. Cordell.

Has your mom started charging you rent since you became a Doctor?

516 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:16am

re: #466 Obdicut

Have you read Erin Hoffman's piece about the terrible practices at EA? It doesn't relate to the contractor thing directly, but it's a powerful read.

[Link: ea-spouse.livejournal.com...]

That is awful, and no self-respecting employer should treat its employees that way.

The company is also correct on the OT "exemption" for computer folks, unfortunately. I never could understand why that particular exemption exists. It's not hugely unfair if the employer grants comp time, but EA apparently does not (or does but doesn't allow people to take off the time).

People cannot work those sorts of hours and stay alert - there will be many many errors made. It should make people want to be very careful about buying any of these products.

Now, a funny (sort of) story from my HR days.

We had a guy apply for a job. He wanted to show that he had X amount of experience in a certain type of job. He turned in an application showing:
1. For a particular period of time, he was working simultaneously in Louisiana and in Oklahoma.
2. The combined hours of work he reported for a different period of time where he claimed to have had 3 jobs all at the same time, came to 250 hours per week.
3. 24 hours in a day X 7 days in a week = 168 hours. This poor guy not only had no time to eat or sleep, he somehow magically worked more hours in an entire week than existed in a week!

People - be very careful when you fill out applications for work. HR offices do check these things.

517 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:37am

re: #515 Spare O'Lake

Has your mom started charging you rent since you became a Doctor?

No, but yours has.

518 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:43am

re: #425 Obdicut

You've got a chance here to make your argument without losing your cool.

re: #446 MandyManners

He can't.

A chance.

From Dumb and Dumber:

Lloyd: I want to ask you a question... straight out, flat out... and I want you to give me an honest answer. What do you think the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?
Mary: Well Lloyd... that's difficult to say... you really don't...
Lloyd: Hit me! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
Mary: Not good.
Lloyd: [Gulps] You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Mary: I'd say more like... one out of a million.
Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah!

519 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:45am

re: #392 Buck

Are there unicorns where you live?

re: #453 Spare O'Lake

You neglected to mention the unicorns.
It always amazes me when otherwise rational, hard-nosed people choose to engage in flights of cowardly amoral fantasy when faced with true evil.

Yeah...someone else pointed out the unicorns as well...and me, an Irish Rovers fan. Sheesh.

520 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:49am

re: #513 drcordell

I prefer Mandy's picture.

Or this one:

Image: bear-cavalry.jpg

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:51am

re: #503 drcordell

Looks like the beltway "elites" that created the Palin nightmare are finally beginning to turn on their own creation. The question is, are they too late? I don't think she's viable for national office, but she certainly has the ability to make life miserable for anyone she chooses to target. Will, Kristol et al. might be a little scared.

Doubt it. They're established, and not politicians. Trends come and go. And the great feeding frenzy is over.

522 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:55am

re: #513 drcordell

Usually to calm myself down I just stare at the printout of this picture that I have hanging on my cubicle wall. Works like a charm.

Please send that to Cato.:)

523 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:02am

re: #515 Spare O'Lake

Has your mom started charging you rent since you became a Doctor?

Do I smell a lit BBQ?

524 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:24am

re: #475 drcordell

It's true. I should really avoid stooping down to the level of my antagonizers.

OR, you could simply stop coming into places where you know you are likely to be antagonized.

525 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:33am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

What a multi-tasker!

526 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:26:41am

Well, good that everything's all warm and friendly again...

527 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:27:27am

I prefer to be called Your Honor

528 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:27:39am

re: #524 reine.de.tout

OR, you could simply stop coming into places where you know you are likely to be antagonized.

Eh, I have no qualms with legitimate debate, and those who actually challenge the basis of the ideas I've posted. I actually mentioned Walter Newton when I posted this because we had a pretty good debate about it a while back. I just have zero patience for those who attempt to throw my own post back in my face, but can't even take the time to read the complete article and formulate a semi-coherent position.

529 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:27:56am

re: #526 cliffster

Well, good that everything's all warm and friendly again...

No thanks to you, jerk!!
///

530 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:28:05am

re: #525 MandyManners

What a multi-tasker!

The master.
We did NOT hire this guy.
If he was that sloppy filling out the application, the thing that introduced him to us, we didn't want him. Nor did we want someone who was inclined to lie.

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:28:13am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

Lawyer dies... at the pearly gates, St. Peter is talking to her.

She says, "I can't be dead. I am only 43 years old!"

St Pete says, "Says right here you are 81 years old."

She says, "No! I'm only 43!"

St Pete says, "Oh, wait... we were looking at billable hours."

532 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:28:38am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

I was very glad when I finally got enough valid work experience that I didn't have to fluff my resume.

We also employ a lot of small studios at my work to do stuff; I got a bill that claimed one person had done 34 hours of work every day for a week.

I want to hire that guy, man, because, wow.

533 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:28:53am

re: #527 albusteve

I prefer to be called Your Honor

You can call me whatever you want, just don't call me collect.

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:20am

re: #533 cliffster

You can call me whatever you want, just don't call me collect.

or late to dinner.

535 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:26am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lawyer dies... at the pearly gates, St. Peter is talking to her.

She says, "I can't be dead. I am only 43 years old!"

St Pete says, "Says right here you are 81 years old."

She says, "No! I'm only 43!"

St Pete says, "Oh, wait... we were looking at billable hours."

So true. I don't bill hours, but a good number of my friends do. The shit they get away with is pretty remarkable.

536 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:32am

I have not seen any cleavage at CPAC yet.

537 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:43am

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

or late to dinner.

or Shirley

538 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:50am

re: #532 Obdicut

I was very glad when I finally got enough valid work experience that I didn't have to fluff my resume.

We also employ a lot of small studios at my work to do stuff; I got a bill that claimed one person had done 34 hours of work every day for a week.

I want to hire that guy, man, because, wow.

There ya go.
You really want those employees who can add 10 hours of time to each and every day.
LOL

539 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:01am

re: #524 reine.de.tout

OR, you could simply stop coming into places where you know you are likely to be antagonized.

Nooo. It would deprive us of a chew-toy.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:20am

re: #537 sattv4u2

or Shirley

Or Biden.

541 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:34am

Is George Bush's popularity making a comeback?

Yes, they ARE missing Dubya! Shopping web site reports spike in sales of Bush items

Apparently someone really DOES miss Dubya.

Items featuring a smiling former President George Bush and the question, "Miss Me Yet?" are doing a brisk business as sales of pro-President Obama items lag, reports the Web shopping site CafePress.

Demand for the items spiked after a billboard featuring the ex-commander in chief appeared alongside a rural Minnesota highway last week, stirring up buzz.

CafePress spokeswoman Jenna Martin said sales of Bush-related products virtually disappeared after Obama replaced him.

But last week, she said, 10 of the firm's top-selling 100 designs were "Miss Me Yet?" items, moving to the tune of up to 500 orders a day.

"There were no Obama-themed designs on the list - Bush has stolen the political spotlight, just like Sarah Palin did the week before when she re-surfaced with crib notes written in her palm," she said.

542 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:37am

re: #536 prairiefire

I have not seen any cleavage at CPAC yet.

Weird considering all the boobs.

543 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:41am

re: #537 sattv4u2

or Shirley

that DR Shirely to you mister

544 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:02am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

That article was from 6 years ago. I wonder if it's changed at all since then.
My favorite game right now is an EA title. Makes me feel a bit icky and if this was the sort of situation it was created under then I have a more respect for those names the scroll by in the credits.

545 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:06am

re: #529 Cannadian Club Akbar

No thanks to you, jerk!!
///

I may give a little goose sometimes. All in good fun though

546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:24am

re: #541 NJDhockeyfan

I've been wondering. Is that "Miss me yet?!" sign with Dubya on it on a t-shirt yet?

547 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:27am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

Did that guy also work in all 57 states in the union?

548 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:30am

re: #533 cliffster

You can call me whatever you want, just don't call me collect.

Or, by some other woman's name in bed.

549 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:53am

re: #543 albusteve

that DR Shirely to you mister

ruh roh ,,,,, you're going to get reprimanded!!

You left the " 's " off of "THAT"

550 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:11am

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've been wondering. Is that "Miss me yet?!" sign with Dubya on it on a t-shirt yet?

I WANT ONE!

551 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:28am

re: #539 MandyManners

Nooo. It would deprive us of a chew-toy.

Oh Mandy. If I've been successfully bitten I haven't noticed it yet.

552 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:30am

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've been wondering. Is that "Miss me yet?!" sign with Dubya on it on a t-shirt yet?

Yes and selling like hotcakes. It's in the post.

553 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:34am

re: #550 MandyManners

I WANT ONE!

ME TOO!

554 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:35am

terrific picture up at Lucianna's front page

555 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:36am

re: #547 Mad Al-Jaffee

Did that guy also work in all 57 states in the union?

LOL.
I would not be surprised at all.

556 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:38am

re: #535 drcordell

I billed hourly when I was doing general tech stuff back in the day, and I charged from the minute I got the call to the minute I got back home, but no more and no less. A lot of customers were surprised that my bills were smaller than other people's.

It still felt weird to bill someone for two hours of time that I spent travelling when I was able to fix the problem in fifteen minutes, but that's the standard.

And that's when I found out how often large companies will simply screw over the smaller end professionals they hire to do things like that. The small businesses were much better at paying promptly, and paying at all.

557 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:38am

re: #548 MandyManners

Or, by some other woman's name in bed.

Yes, definitely not that

558 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:51am

re: #440 drcordell

I was working directly for CBS, using their equipment at their offices, scheduled full time 40+ hours a week. And they labeled me a "contractor" to avoid paying any payroll taxes, or to provide me with any overtime pay or benefits. It's wrong, and illegal.


I hear about this practice a lot. My company has always been advised by our accountant that this is not legal, and that an IRS audit would get us in a lot of trouble if they found out our small company (34 employees) was doing it. How do the bigger corporations manage to get around employment laws without some whistleblower going to the IRS?

559 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:06am

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've been wondering. Is that "Miss me yet?!" sign with Dubya on it on a t-shirt yet?

Business opportunity!

560 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:23am

re: #541 NJDhockeyfan

Is George Bush's popularity making a comeback?

Yes, they ARE missing Dubya! Shopping web site reports spike in sales of Bush items

I have to admit that I don't miss Dubya in the slightest.

561 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:54am

re: #549 sattv4u2

ruh roh ,,, you're going to get reprimanded!!

You left the " 's " off of "THAT"

I'm no spellar

562 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:05am

re: #560 SanFranciscoZionist

Not At All.

563 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:12am

re: #544 Jadespring

I worked there as a lowly QA tester. It was that bad, and worse in terms of the terribly abusive, no-respect atmosphere, as well.

They've since improved somewhat, according to my friends who are still there, but the recent rounds of layoffs happened in a very ugly fashion for many people-- no severance packages, etc.

564 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:19am

re: #561 albusteve

I'm no spellar

I neber notised!

565 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:42am

re: #532 Obdicut

I worked for a contracting firm that fluffed resumes without informing their employees that they did so.

Then, one day, a federal manager asked one of the contractor analysts about his time at Marshall University... Turns out that the fluffed resume had pushed the analyst's attending period at Marshall back to the same years that the manager had been going there. Marshall is not a large school, and the computer science department was not that large.

A week later there was a meeting where we all got to see the resumes that the firm was submitting when bidding on contracts. We couldn't keep them, we just got to see them. With the implication that we'd therefore aid the firm in lying if asked about our background.

Mine had me four years older than I was (approximately), three more years work experience than I actually had, and also holding a Master's Degree in Computer Science (I had a B.S.).

I took immediate steps to get out. In fact, I was working for a totally different contracting firm in a different city within three months.

566 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:06am

re: #558 jaunte

I hear about this practice a lot. My company has always been advised by our accountant that this is not legal, and that an IRS audit would get us in a lot of trouble if they found out our small company (34 employees) was doing it. How do the bigger corporations manage to get around employment laws without some whistleblower going to the IRS?

Don't ask me, I couldn't believe it myself. Especially considering it's widely known that nearly every major media corporation operating in NYC does it with widespread impunity. CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, MTV, VH1, you name the network, they all do it. The manhattan media gossip site Gawker helped coin the term "permalancers" to describe the position. According to the NYTimes article I guess the Government is actually taking an interest in enforcing labor laws now that Obama is in charge.

567 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:08am

re: #550 MandyManners

I WANT ONE!

Ya know you can buy iron-on transfer sheets at Staples and print that billboard picture on one. All you have to do then is iron it on a shirt.

568 Donna Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:28am

Well, thanks for the entertainment all, I have Kitties to walk and housework to do. I hope everyone has a great day, keep laughing everyone!

569 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:19am

re: #550 MandyManners

I WANT ONE!

Can't say I'm surprised in the least. If you're ever in NYC please wear the shirt so I can make sure to say hi!

570 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:36am

re: #543 albusteve

You can't be serious.

571 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:58am

re: #539 MandyManners

Nooo. It would deprive us of a chew-toy.

Cause ooh, you're my chew toy
No batteries required
Ooh you' re my chew toy
Wind me up and I start to move
Ooh you're my chew toy
No batteries required

(Gloria Estefan--sort of)

572 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:59am

Miss me yet?
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

573 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:01am

re: #566 drcordell

Very few politicians can survive being tainted with the 'bad for business' label.

574 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:07am

re: #565 oaktree

I worked for a contracting firm that fluffed resumes without informing their employees that they did so.

Then, one day, a federal manager asked one of the contractor analysts about his time at Marshall University... .

What the Hell? Is this some kinda WV reunion in here today?

Oh, and Go, Thundering Herd!

575 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:17am

re: #570 lawhawk

You can't be serious.

Is that you, John McEnroe!?

576 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:45am

re: #570 lawhawk

You can't be serious.

I am serious, and don't call me cantbe

577 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:58am

re: #563 Obdicut

I worked there as a lowly QA tester. It was that bad, and worse in terms of the terribly abusive, no-respect atmosphere, as well.

They've since improved somewhat, according to my friends who are still there, but the recent rounds of layoffs happened in a very ugly fashion for many people-- no severance packages, etc.

That stinks. It makes me actually consider not getting the expansion when it comes out next month.

578 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:10am

re: #574 Guanxi88

Wasn't me. I went to Pitt. >:-)

579 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:33am

Oh, also interesting... this article from Bloomberg about the top earning individuals in the U.S. for the year 2007.

Average income: $345 million
Average tax rate: 16.6%

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

So glad to see that my marginal tax rate is at least 10% higher than those making exorbitantly more money than myself. Thanks GW!

580 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:36am

re: #551 drcordell

Oh Mandy. If I've been successfully bitten I haven't noticed it yet.

Chew you.

581 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:41am

My daughter was in Dallas for a BBYO convention last weekend.

While there, she bought one of those big sweatshirts that says DALLAS across the front.

She is a thin girl, so when she wears it, it basically says ALLA across the front.

Not sure I like that....

582 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:44am

re: #558 jaunte

I hear about this practice a lot. My company has always been advised by our accountant that this is not legal, and that an IRS audit would get us in a lot of trouble if they found out our small company (34 employees) was doing it. How do the bigger corporations manage to get around employment laws without some whistleblower going to the IRS?

Your accountant is correc, this practice is not legal. The IRS has guidelines, very clear, to help employers determine who may be called "contract" and who must be hired as a regular employee.

Many many years ago, Microsoft got caught doing something similar by calling certain employees "temporary" employees, even though they actually had worked a sufficient length of time to be permanent. I mean, if you call someone temporary but they've worked for you and only you for six years, they aren't really temporary employees, are they?

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:53am

re: #566 drcordell

The whole idea sure punched Geithner in the face didn't it.

"HE FORGOT THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES."

The Steve Martin defense worked for him.

584 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:01am

re: #578 oaktree

Wasn't me. I went to Pitt. >:-)

Ahh ,, couldn't get into an accredited U, huh !?!?!

/////////

585 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:48am

re: #567 NJDhockeyfan

Ya know you can buy iron-on transfer sheets at Staples and print that billboard picture on one. All you have to do then is iron it on a shirt.

I hadn't thought of that!

But, the closest Staples is about four hours away.

586 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:12am

re: #569 drcordell

Can't say I'm surprised in the least. If you're ever in NYC please wear the shirt so I can make sure to say hi!

I'll wave at you from my limo.

587 badger1970  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:26am

A small plane crashed into a building in Austin, few details as of yet: Small plane crashes into building

588 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:32am

re: #566 drcordell

Even though City and State tax officials could have been pursuing the matter since they collect and impose their own income taxes?

After all, when you file your federal returns, you're also supposed to be filing with the NYS Dept of Tax and Finance and the NYC Dept of Finance.

The IRS isn't alone in taxing income or checking employment status.

589 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:52am

re: #577 Jadespring

EA was definitely improving for a little while, but I think the economic collapse panicked them back into exploitative mode.

And there's this:

[Link: www.rockpapershotgun.com...]

Shutting down multiplayer for a game that hasn't been out for a year, not releasing dedicated server code for it.

590 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:26am

re: #581 Buck

My daughter was in Dallas for a BBYO convention last weekend.

While there, she bought one of those big sweatshirts that says DALLAS across the front.

She is a thin girl, so when she wears it, it basically says ALLA across the front.

Not sure I like that...

You realize "Allah" just means "God" which just means "Yaweh." It's the same guy. Just in a different language. Media stories don't translate "God" into a different language when referring to Jews, not sure why they do so when referring to Muslims.

591 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:48am

re: #572 Cannadian Club Akbar

Miss me yet?
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Ah kin b rite weeng

592 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:49am

re: #585 MandyManners

I hadn't thought of that!

But, the closest Staples is about four hours away.

You could probably find the transfer sheets at someplace like Wal-Malt or any store that has craft stuff. It's pretty common.

593 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:42:21am

re: #579 drcordell

Oh, also interesting... this article from Bloomberg about the top earning individuals in the U.S. for the year 2007.

Average income: $345 million
Average tax rate: 16.6%

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

So glad to see that my marginal tax rate is at least 10% higher than those making exorbitantly more money than myself. Thanks GW!

Fucking-A!

594 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:42:24am

re: #588 lawhawk

Even though City and State tax officials could have been pursuing the matter since they collect and impose their own income taxes?

After all, when you file your federal returns, you're also supposed to be filing with the NYS Dept of Tax and Finance and the NYC Dept of Finance.

The IRS isn't alone in taxing income or checking employment status.

Right. I think enforcement of these labor laws actually falls to the state/local labor authorities and not Federal. Still surprising that NYC/NYS haven't managed to do something about it yet.

595 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:42:55am

CNN has cracked the mystery behind Obama's falling poll numbers:

White Americans are racists!

596 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:43:15am

re: #592 Jadespring

You could probably find the transfer sheets at someplace like Wal-Malt or any store that has craft stuff. It's pretty common.

We have a Michaels.

597 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:43:20am

re: #590 drcordell

I'm not sure your assertion is at all correct, though. I've seen plenty of media stories talking about Muslim's belief in God.

598 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:43:22am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

CNN has cracked the mystery behind Obama's falling poll numbers:

White Americans are racists!

[Video]

The same ones who voted for him?

599 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:43:56am

re: #579 drcordell

Oh, also interesting... this article from Bloomberg about the top earning individuals in the U.S. for the year 2007.

Average income: $345 million
Average tax rate: 16.6%

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

So glad to see that my marginal tax rate is at least 10% higher than those making exorbitantly more money than myself. Thanks GW!

AND ,, here we go again

From your link

“Notice that two-thirds of their 2007 income was in capital gains

Capital Gains is not taxed at the same rate as staright "income" (i.e, "paychecks")

600 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:14am

The founding document of the United States, the Declaration of Independence, states that governments derive “their just powers from the consent of the governed.” Today, however, just 21% of voters nationwide believe that the federal government enjoys the consent of the governed.

revolt!

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

601 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:32am

One more anecdote since it is both a WV and contractor story.

I was working as a sub-contractor in the early 90s for a company in Pittsburgh. IT department mix of employees, contractors, and sub-contractors. Mainly "locals" in terms of background.

Leading up to the "Backyard Brawl" (annual Pitt - WVU football game) the IT manager and a few others (all WVU alumni) played "Country Roads" on a tape recorder every morning while they hung a large WVU flag on the front of the receptionist's desk. Sometime during the day one of the other employees (with help from contractors) who were Pitt alumni took it down and replaced it with a Pitt flag.

A full week of the sort of he-man trash talk that also reminds me of the _2001_ proto-men howling over the waterhole... Luckily there were no antelope skeletons lying about to provide a convenient thigh bone.

I'm simply not that fanatical about my alma mater and college football. I stayed low-key and kept out of it.

602 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:38am

Gotta' go check on the guys washing my walls. bbiab

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:48am

re: #598 Mad Al-Jaffee

The same ones who voted for him?

They just forgot they are racist.

604 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:00am

re: #599 sattv4u2

Well, that's the point, though. It's still income, and they still pay less on their income.

You can argue that it should be that way, but it is still simply true.

605 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:12am

re: #602 MandyManners

Gotta' go check on the guys washing my walls. bbiab

I don't EVEN want to know why your walls need "washing" !?!?!

606 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:39am

re: #602 MandyManners

I transposed the "w" of walls with the "b" in the next word, and had an odd moment.

607 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:53am

re: #597 Obdicut

I'm not sure your assertion is at all correct, though. I've seen plenty of media stories talking about Muslim's belief in God.

Well certainly not all, but definitely more than a few. Basically unless a story is using a direct quote of someone who was speaking the word "Allah" it should just be written as God.

Here's an example from the BBC:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Defence barrister Baroness Helena Kennedy QC said shahada meant a "good death" in the eyes of Allah and not necessarily fighting.

608 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:12am

re: #579 drcordell

That's because most of the income was in the form of long term capital gains - taxed at the 15% level. Also, 16% of $345 million is $55 million. 29.4% of $145 million is $42.63 million; so they're still paying far more than everyone else on average. The Wall Street collapse meant that many of those high income taxpayers stopped having high incomes - and NYS and NYC tax revenues dropped off a cliff - that's why the city and state are looking to raise taxes anywhere and everywhere because they don't have the Wall Street types to bail out their spending plans (the soda taxes are back on the table).

609 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:22am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

Here we go again...

610 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:27am

re: #604 Obdicut

Well, that's the point, though. It's still income, and they still pay less on their income.

You can argue that it should be that way, but it is still simply true.

Then have your congressman(woman) craft a bill wherby capital gains are taxed at a higher rate

(and watch the stock market and 401K's tank the day it's passed)

611 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:32am

re: #602 MandyManners

Gotta' go check on the guys washing my walls. bbiab

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:40am

re: #602 MandyManners

Gotta' go check on the guys washing my walls. bbiab

That what you kids are calling it these days?

613 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:41am

re: #596 MandyManners

We have a Michaels.

They would definitely have it. At least the ones up here do.

614 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:44am

re: #440 drcordell

Right. You were employed by a third party, who then was contracted by Ford to provide work. That's perfectly legitimate. The situation described in the article, and what I experienced firsthand is different. I was working directly for CBS, using their equipment at their offices, scheduled full time 40+ hours a week. And they labeled me a "contractor" to avoid paying any payroll taxes, or to provide me with any overtime pay or benefits. It's wrong, and illegal.

Did you conveniently forget to mention the financial benefits which you were able to enjoy as a result of this arrangement?

615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:50am

re: #611 Mad Al-Jaffee

Dang!

616 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:47:24am

re: #596 MandyManners

We have a Michaels.

They should have it. If not, they can order you some pretty easy. Or you can order yourself online.

617 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:47:56am

re: #607 drcordell

Well, to look at it another way, it would be more respectful not to name "God" at all when writing an article about orthodox Jews.

I don't think that microanalysis of the verbiage surrounding deities will really reveal all that much except that talking about religion is very tricky.

618 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:13am

misery index....
the Mistake By the Lake takes first place...

[Link: realestate.msn.com...]

619 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:18am

re: #606 Obdicut

So did I. Seriously.

Freudian?

620 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:24am

re: #611 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

re: #612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That what you kids are calling it these days?

Geez.

621 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:53am

re: #619 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Freudian?

No thanks, I'm trying to quit.

622 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:49:21am

re: #599 sattv4u2

AND ,, here we go again

From your link

“Notice that two-thirds of their 2007 income was in capital gains

Capital Gains is not taxed at the same rate as staright "income" (i.e, "paychecks")

Yeah, I understand this. Why does that matter? Why should that form of income be taxed any differently than mine? Hell, I even work in the financial services industry like nearly all of the top earners. But because my employer can't describe my income as "capital gains" that means I should get taxed nearly 2x as much on my income?

623 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:49:48am

re: #594 drcordell

Right. I think enforcement of these labor laws actually falls to the state/local labor authorities and not Federal. Still surprising that NYC/NYS haven't managed to do something about it yet.

Because they didn't want to chase out the very industries that you refer to - the entertainment/news media businesses that are a significant source of state and local revenues. They think that they might lose business to other states that promote the entertainment industry - CA comes to mind, or Boston, or even DC to stay on the East Coast.

624 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:50:08am

Just got this in an e-mail.
So, for those wanting a laugh this morning, enjoy:


(On September 17, 1994, Alabama's Heather Whitestone was selected as Miss America 1995.)
Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?
Answer: "I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever,"
--Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA contest.

"Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff."
--Mariah Carey

"Smoking kills. If you're killed, you've lost a very important part of your life,"
-- Brooke Shields, during an interview to become spokesperson for federal anti-smoking campaign .

"I've never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body,"
--Winston Bennett, University of Kentucky basketball forward.

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .

"That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it,"
--A congressional candidate in Texas .

"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
--Philadelphia Phillies manager, Danny Ozark

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
--Al Gore, Vice President

"I love California . I practically grew up in Phoenix ."
-- Dan Quayle

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca

"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
--Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst.

"We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of people."
-- Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor.

"Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances."
--Department of Social Services, Greenville , South Carolina

"Traditionally, most of Australia 's imports come from overseas."
--Keppel Enderbery

"If somebody has a bad heart, they can plug this jack in at night as they go to bed and it will monitor their heart throughout the night. And the next morning, when they wake up dead, there'll be a record."
--Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman

625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:50:36am

re: #623 lawhawk

David Letterman is a private contractor, right? Works under contract?

626 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:50:37am

re: #622 drcordell

Yeah, I understand this. Why does that matter? Why should that form of income be taxed any differently than mine? Hell, I even work in the financial services industry like nearly all of the top earners. But because my employer can't describe my income as "capital gains" that means I should get taxed nearly 2x as much on my income?

see #'s 608 and 610

627 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:10am

re: #614 Spare O'Lake

Did you conveniently forget to mention the financial benefits which you were able to enjoy as a result of this arrangement?

victim of an illegal hiring scam....he was used!

628 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:20am

We have mellowed in our old age. A couple of years ago, suggesting that "Allah" meant "God" would have brought down the wrath of an unnamed deity, or at least lots of hopping-mad posters.

629 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:48am

re: #626 sattv4u2

But again: it is taxed differently, so Cordell's statement was true: They pay a smaller percentage of tax on their income than he does. Or I do, for that matter.

I just looked at my W2 this morning. Oy.

630 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:36am

re: #381 drcordell

Just stumbled across this article in the NYTimes. Thought I'd post it here for the benefit of Walter L. Newton. I seem to recall him roundly mocking me for describing CBS' practice of classifying full time employees as "contractors."

U.S. Cracks Down on "Contractors" as a Tax Dodge

No... I roundly mocked you for claiming you were forced to do anything. You don't like what an employer does or doesn't do, you walk away.

I never claimed that CBS was doing anything wrong, or not doing anything wrong. I was simply addressing your entitlement attitude that CBS or anyone owes you something and need to hold you hand and tell you what to do with your life.

So, I will say it again... you were not "FORCED" to work at CBS.

631 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:44am

re: #614 Spare O'Lake

Did you conveniently forget to mention the financial benefits which you were able to enjoy as a result of this arrangement?

Yeah. I forgot to mention that I was not eligible to receive any overtime payment for the 10+ hour days I worked. I also forgot to mention that I received absolutely no health insurance benefits, so I was forced to pay $550 a month for COBRA coverage. Oh, and if I had been fired I would not have been eligible for any unemployment benefits because of my "arrangement."

Oh, and I still was forced to pay my full income tax on what was earned. I don't know how the people mentioned in the article managed to get away with under-reporting, but I sure as hell didn't. I got my 1099 from CBS that reflected in full every last cent they paid me out.

So, explain to me exactly what the benefit to me was?

632 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:54am

re: #590 drcordell

You realize "Allah" just means "God" which just means "Yaweh." It's the same guy. Just in a different language. Media stories don't translate "God" into a different language when referring to Jews, not sure why they do so when referring to Muslims.

Yes, and I also know ALLA is not the same as ALLAH. I was just poking fun.

633 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:57am

re: #625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't know - he could have any number of relationships with CBS re: his employment status.

634 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:53:05am

re: #623 lawhawk

Because they didn't want to chase out the very industries that you refer to - the entertainment/news media businesses that are a significant source of state and local revenues. They think that they might lose business to other states that promote the entertainment industry - CA comes to mind, or Boston, or even DC to stay on the East Coast.

they make a lot of movies in NM....much cheaper than CA, and prettier too

635 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:53:43am

re: #626 sattv4u2

see #'s 608 and 610

Explain to me exactly why the stock market would tank when capital gains taxes are raised?

636 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:23am

re: #623 lawhawk

Because they didn't want to chase out the very industries that you refer to - the entertainment/news media businesses that are a significant source of state and local revenues. They think that they might lose business to other states that promote the entertainment industry - CA comes to mind, or Boston, or even DC to stay on the East Coast.

Both ABC and FOX have large "secondary" (to NYC) bureuas here in Atlanta. The 'official" reason is in case theres another blackout like the Great Northeast one or another terror attck in NY shutting down their facilities there

The 'unnofficial" reason is that Georgia in general and Atlanta in particular are more tax freindly to businesses (hence the home of DELTA, COKE, HOME DEPOT, UPS, WACHOVIA etc etc)

637 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:43am

re: #630 Walter L. Newton

That entirely depends on your definition of 'forced', though. 'Coerced' would be a better word.

If I pull a gun on someone and make them give me their wallet, I forced them to give me their wallet-- even though they could have taken any number of other actions.

Coerce is probably more accurate, since it can encompass physical and non-physical and doesn't imply a complete abrogation of the other's will.

638 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:44am

re: #628 SanFranciscoZionist

We have mellowed in our old age. A couple of years ago, suggesting that "Allah" meant "God" would have brought down the wrath of an unnamed deity, or at least lots of hopping-mad posters.

Hahahaha, hopping mad over their own ignorance? How could anyone possibly be outraged about the fact that Allah means God?

639 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:48am

re: #605 sattv4u2

I don't EVEN want to know why your walls need "washing" !?!?!

Spring cleaning. I figured that maybe if I get it going soon, the weather might take a freakin' hint and go along.

640 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:08am

re: #606 Obdicut

I transposed the "w" of walls with the "b" in the next word, and had an odd moment.

I'm fairly certain I don't have those.

641 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:12am

re: #633 lawhawk

I don't know - he could have any number of relationships with CBS re: his employment status.

He has his own production company. I'm sure he leases the show in some way then gets a % of commercial sales during the show.

642 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:39am

re: #629 Obdicut

And the policy reason for taxing long term capital gains at a lower level is to stimulate the investment in businesses and the stock market. Raising it, particularly at this time, would have a detrimental effect on the markets and the economic recovery such as it is.

643 Kragar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:59am

re: #640 MandyManners

I'm fairly certain I don't have those.

in bed.

644 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:08am

re: #614 Spare O'Lake

Did you conveniently forget to mention the financial benefits which you were able to enjoy as a result of this arrangement?

As I remember correctly, Dr. Cordell roundly stated a number of times that the money was so good, and that he was so financially needed of that good money that he was making, that there was no way he could quit and was FORCED to stay and except their terms.

Yes, he benefited from it and is still whining about that benefit to this day.

645 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:15am

re: #629 Obdicut

But again: it is taxed differently, so Cordell's statement was true: They pay a smaller percentage of tax on their income than he does. Or I do, for that matter.

I just looked at my W2 this morning. Oy.

AND (imho) it SHOULD be taxed differently. That money has at one time or another already been taxed. The "profits" from that money are by and large used to build/exapnd/grow/open new ventures

Tax it at the same rate as 'income" and lots of that dries up

646 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:47am

re: #640 MandyManners

I'm fairly certain I don't have those.

Sometimes women don't realize they're there and find them in their 20's, 30's, whatever.

647 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:17am

KABUL, Afghanistan — Two senior Taliban leaders have been arrested in recent days inside Pakistan, officials said Thursday, as American and Pakistani intelligence agents continued to press their offensive against the group’s leadership after the capture of the insurgency’s military commander last month.

something is brewing in Pakiland...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

648 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:23am

re: #627 albusteve

victim of an illegal hiring scam...he was used!

Consultants or contractors are able to reap huge tax savings compared to employees. Weasels like Cordell like to whine and bitch, but they never mention their own willing complicity.

649 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:28am

re: #635 drcordell

Explain to me exactly why the stock market would tank when capital gains taxes are raised?

see 642 (was about to write a similar post)

650 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:45am

re: #646 cliffster

Sometimes women don't realize they're there and find them in their 20's, 30's, whatever.

Like Hillary?

651 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:04am

re: #636 sattv4u2

Both ABC and FOX have large "secondary" (to NYC) bureuas here in Atlanta. The 'official" reason is in case theres another blackout like the Great Northeast one or another terror attck in NY shutting down their facilities there

The 'unnofficial" reason is that Georgia in general and Atlanta in particular are more tax freindly to businesses (hence the home of DELTA, COKE, HOME DEPOT, UPS, WACHOVIA etc etc)

But they will never leave NYC. Why? Because all of their big money talent will never leave the big city. All these businesses and banks LOVE to try and rake NYC over the coals to get all sorts of tax breaks in exchange for remaining in NYC. But at the end of the day it's all a big bluff.

You can outsource the little people to the boonies, but you can't outsource the office with the big swinging dicks. They won't want to live anywhere but a metropolis.

652 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:17am

re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

in bed.

But, I do have one of the X's over a fireplace.

653 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:19am

re: #644 Walter L. Newton

As I remember correctly, Dr. Cordell roundly stated a number of times that the money was so good, and that he was so financially needed of that good money that he was making, that there was no way he could quit and was FORCED to stay and except their terms.

Yes, he benefited from it and is still whining about that benefit to this day.

this is true....it is archived

654 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:58am

re: #644 Walter L. Newton

As I remember correctly, Dr. Cordell roundly stated a number of times that the money was so good, and that he was so financially needed of that good money that he was making, that there was no way he could quit and was FORCED to stay and except their terms.

Yes, he benefited from it and is still whining about that benefit to this day.

It's the injustice, man. He's still speaking troof to dah power.

655 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:20am

re: #646 cliffster

Sometimes women don't realize they're there and find them in their 20's, 30's, whatever.

I don't need testicles. I have spunk.

656 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:10am

re: #642 lawhawk

Sure. But that has nothing to do with the simple statement that I pay a higher percentage of my income in taxes than does someone making money off of their investments.

As I said, you can argue that it's a good thing, but it is happening. I have to pay a bigger slice of my salary-- a salary, I might add, that, if I were allowed to keep more of it would go right back into the economy in spending-- than they do a slice of the profits.

The wisdom of it is debatable; but it is what happens. Most of the highest income earners pay a lower rate than the middle income earners. Our taxation system is not simply a progressive one, but segregated in terms of income.

657 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:11am

re: #655 MandyManners

I don't need testicles. I have spunk.

And a DE 50.

658 Kragar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:24am

re: #655 MandyManners

I don't need testicles. I have spunk.

Must...refrain...

659 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:46am

re: #653 albusteve

re: #654 MandyManners

Are we forcing him to stay today? I have to get ready for work. Be back in a bit.

660 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:55am

re: #655 MandyManners

*covers face*

Oh god Mandy, that was terrible.

661 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:32am

re: #648 Spare O'Lake

Consultants or contractors are able to reap huge tax savings compared to employees. Weasels like Cordell like to whine and bitch, but they never mention their own willing complicity.

I remember this sob story from the first time around....oozing with phony butthurt

662 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:42am

re: #400 sattv4u2

Do you even read what you post befroehand??

Companies do not withhold income taxes from contractors’ paychecks, and several studies have indicated that, on average, misclassified independent workers do not report 30 percent of their income.

SO ,,, the employee doesn't report his full income, and thats the employers fault !?!?!?

AND ,,, now BECUASE the employee didn't report their full income,, the gov't wants to punish the EMPLOYER !?!?

What could POSSIBLY go wrong !?!?!

He was FORCED not to report that INCOME.

Going to take a shower, be back in a few minutes.

663 Kragar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:49am

re: #660 Obdicut

*covers face*

Oh god Mandy, that was terrible.

There are so many ways that comment could be abused.

664 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:11am

re: #644 Walter L. Newton

As I remember correctly, Dr. Cordell roundly stated a number of times that the money was so good, and that he was so financially needed of that good money that he was making, that there was no way he could quit and was FORCED to stay and except their terms.

Yes, he benefited from it and is still whining about that benefit to this day.

No. I stated a number of times that the money was TERRIBLE. You try living on $100/day in New York City. But it's certainly better than zero dollars a day. And I need to eat and pay rent. You think I was about to jeopardize the only job I was able to find by complaining to them that their labor practices were illegal? Are you out of your mind?

As a recent college graduate in NYC working in the media industry, you have two options. Either accept the illegal labor conditions they FORCE upon workers seeking entrance to the industry, or don't have a job. You can keep claiming that people aren't "forced" to accept those terms, but they are. Either accept the illegal terms, or don't work.

It seems you think we live in some idealistic world where people can try and put their morals ahead of the need for food and shelter.

665 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:45am

re: #661 albusteve

I remember this sob story from the first time around...oozing with phony butthurt

I also remember it, and the conversation about it that went ON and ON and ON. I wept with joy when I thought it was over.

666 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:57am

re: #655 MandyManners

I don't need testicles. I have spunk.

God Bless Mandy

667 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:26am

re: #660 Obdicut

*covers face*

Oh god Mandy, that was terrible.

What?

668 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:30am

My radio just said the plane crash in Austin is pretty serious. Front of building gone. And NYPD's Kerick got 4 years.

669 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:45am

re: #631 drcordell

Yeah. I forgot to mention that I was not eligible to receive any overtime payment for the 10+ hour days I worked. I also forgot to mention that I received absolutely no health insurance benefits, so I was forced to pay $550 a month for COBRA coverage. Oh, and if I had been fired I would not have been eligible for any unemployment benefits because of my "arrangement."

Oh, and I still was forced to pay my full income tax on what was earned. I don't know how the people mentioned in the article managed to get away with under-reporting, but I sure as hell didn't. I got my 1099 from CBS that reflected in full every last cent they paid me out.

So, explain to me exactly what the benefit to me was?

Post your personal income tax return on line and let's have a good look at your deductions.

670 Kragar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:49am

re: #665 SanFranciscoZionist

I also remember it, and the conversation about it that went ON and ON and ON. I wept with joy when I thought it was over.

And just when you thought you were free, they drag you back in.

671 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:05am

re: #665 SanFranciscoZionist

I also remember it, and the conversation about it that went ON and ON and ON. I wept with joy when I thought it was over.

news flash....
PEACE BREAKS OUT!

672 oldegeezr  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:14am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

On a clear day, from ten thousand feet…

Really...?

673 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:19am

re: #664 drcordell

. . . You think I was about to jeopardize the only job I was able to find by complaining to them that their labor practices were illegal? Are you out of your mind?

You don't make complaints to the employer.
You make complaints to the Dept of Labor.

674 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:27am

re: #655 MandyManners

There was until recently a really overrated blues band. It was a female trio that sang all kinds of songs about being a woman, being old, how bad men are, etc. If men wrote songs about women the way they wrote them about men, it would be considered sexist.

Yet, they've won all kinds of awards and were probably the best known female blues band in the country.

They have a song called "Big Ovaries," about how such strong women they have. They were playing it at a festival I was also playing and one of my bandmates, a woman who's a liberal feminist said the song is discusting. "It's like they're bragging about having a disease!"

675 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:38am

Orders not to kill civilians slow Afghan attack

To the Marines of Bravo Company, the black-and-white video footage from a surveillance drone seemed to present the perfect shot: more than a dozen armed insurgents exiting a building and heading to positions to attack U.S. and Afghan forces seeking to wrest control of this Taliban stronghold in southern Afghanistan.

Facing stiff resistance from Taliban fighters, the Marines radioed for permission to call in an airstrike on the insurgents at midday Monday.

It appeared to be the sort of clear opportunity that would have prompted a rapidly executed bombing run during the Iraq war or even in the first seven years of this conflict.

But not anymore: Officers at the Marine headquarters deemed the insurgents to be too close to a set of houses. In the new way the United States and its NATO allies are waging the Afghan war, dropping a bomb on or near a house is forbidden unless troops are in imminent danger of being overrun or they can prove that no civilians are inside.

676 Kragar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:51am

re: #667 MandyManners

What?

Spunk has several other definitions, some of which are testicle related.

677 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:52am

re: #670 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And just when you thought you were free, they drag you back in.

Hotel California

678 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:23am

re: #651 drcordell

all of their big money talent will never leave the big city.

Incorrect

More and more shows are being produced in (as you derisively refer to them) as 'the boonies"
The "big money talent" are starting to demand their shows are closer to warmer (and better tax rated) environes

679 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:43am

re: #648 Spare O'Lake

Consultants or contractors are able to reap huge tax savings compared to employees. Weasels like Cordell like to whine and bitch, but they never mention their own willing complicity.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's POSSIBLE that SOME contractors who are making LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY can use their status to cheat their taxes. You really think that I willingly would give up overtime pay, health care benefits AND unemployment protection all in exchange to not pay income taxes on $100/day of income?

Not to mention the fact that I still paid one hundred fucking percent of my income tax on that income. So fuck you, I'm not a weasel.

680 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:53am

re: #676 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Spunk has several other definitions, some of which are testicle related.

Huh?

Now, I'm really confused.

681 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:58am

re: #677 albusteve

Hotel California

Such a lovely place, I hear!

682 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:07am

re: #673 reine.de.tout

Yeah. Seriously, Cordell, if you're ever in that position again, do report them. And sue them. Simultaneously. Sue-a-report them. There are few people with safer jobs than those submitting a legitimate employment complaint; and if they do get fired, they're going to be making a lot of money off it.

You'll be looking out for your fellow workers, too.

I should have sued EA. All us testers should have.

683 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:19am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

Hmm, not all of those are true. I check the "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment", and it seems that is a joke written about Quayle from Mad Magazine.

Not going to check the rest...

684 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:37am
685 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:38am

re: #679 drcordell

Please stop with the caps and the bolding. It's internet-rude.

686 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:49am

re: #680 MandyManners

Huh?

Now, I'm really confused.

Spunk=sperm

687 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:57am

re: #673 reine.de.tout

You don't make complaints to the employer.
You make complaints to the Dept of Labor.

A doctor he's not.

688 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:59am

re: #683 Buck

Hmm, not all of those are true. I check the "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment", and it seems that is a joke written about Quayle from Mad Magazine.

Not going to check the rest...

I thought they were funny all the same.

689 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:29am

re: #675 NJDhockeyfan

Orders not to kill civilians slow Afghan attack

remind anyone else of the IDF in Gaza?

690 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:38am

re: #677 albusteve

Hotel California

You know, that line may explain a few things about the repeat socks.

691 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:45am

re: #678 sattv4u2

all of their big money talent will never leave the big city.

Incorrect

More and more shows are being produced in (as you derisively refer to them) as 'the boonies"
The "big money talent" are starting to demand their shows are closer to warmer (and better tax rated) environes

Well, so far I certainly haven't seen it happen. Even the big-city hating, "real Americans" down at Fox News still broadcast every single show from NYC. O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Van Sustern, Doocy, Carlson, all big city elitists.

692 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:56am

re: #684 lawhawk

Yeah, I posted that last night. Looks like the states are even worse then the feds when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

Too many accounting tricks, too many politicians buying votes with projects they couldn't really fund. Too many plundered pension funds.

693 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:50am

re: #685 Obdicut

Please stop with the caps and the bolding. It's internet-rude.

Not to mention the So fuck you

694 badger1970  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:11am

re: #668 Cannadian Club Akbar

The link I sent upthread, news 8 Austin seems to be at the forefront.

695 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:39am

re: #686 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, dear me.

696 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:48am

Update (perhaps a little vague) - my wife drove by the building that got hit by a plane in Austin and she said it was absolutely gutted, lots of fires still going. I think it's a 5-story building and she said it was ravaged pretty much top to bottom. Don't know if anyone was hurt, but hard to imagine everyone getting out. She's going to try and get a few pictures when she drives back by.

697 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:07am

re: #692 Obdicut

Yeah, I posted that last night. Looks like the states are even worse then the feds when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

Too many accounting tricks, too many politicians buying votes with projects they couldn't really fund. Too many plundered pension funds.

And too many absolutely shitty investments. I live in the Peter Cooper Village / Stuy Town apartment complex in NYC. The one that is the largest real estate transaction in history that just completely imploded. $5.4 billion dollars worth of value now estimated to be worth only $2 billion. Guess who was a nice big equity investor in that project... California pensions.

698 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:53am

re: #693 sattv4u2

Not to mention the So fuck you

I have no problem telling someone to fuck themselves after they call me a "weasel tax cheat."

699 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:57am

re: #684 lawhawk

Another cheery statistic - the nation's unfunded public sector pension liability tops $1 trillion.

Two nights ago I met a woman from California visiting her boyfriend here. She works for the State of California and is planning to retire with full pension and health benefits at the age of 50, then move to Texas where the cost of living is lower. Multiplying the number of state employees in California by this individual plan seems like an unsustainable tax burden for Californians.

700 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:19am

re: #697 drcordell

Yeah. Our politicians have traditionally treated pension funds like a big-ass stack of casino chips.

Let's not start on the way that Californian state politics are fucked.

701 Buck  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:53am

Nigeria: Microsoft Expresses Commitment to The Country's Economy

You don't think Bill Gates responded to an email.....

702 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:11am

re: #684 lawhawk

Another cheery statistic - the nation's unfunded public sector pension liability tops $1 trillion.

a trickling nuclear time bomb...I've tried to follow the situation in CA...man, talk about some fat cat pensions

703 razorbacker  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:24am

Hi-De-Ho friends, neighbors, and all the rest of y'all.

Been a few weeks since I've been by, busy world here in Razorbackistan.

So. What's shaking?

704 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:39am

re: #698 drcordell

I have no problem telling someone to fuck themselves after they call me a "weasel tax cheat."

You've also demonstrated you have no problem calling people names that never called you one,, so there you have it!

705 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:47am

re: #693 sattv4u2

Not to mention the So fuck you

The erstwhile doctor obviously has no patience.

706 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:10am

re: #698 drcordell

I have no problem telling someone to fuck themselves after they call me a "weasel tax cheat."

Who called you a "weasel tax cheat", you lying scumbag?

707 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:18am

re: #703 razorbacker

Hi-De-Ho friends, neighbors, and all the rest of y'all.

Been a few weeks since I've been by, busy world here in Razorbackistan.

So. What's shaking?

Whatever's not nailed down.

708 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:31am

re: #705 Spare O'Lake

The erstwhile doctor obviously has no patience.

Not for people who call me a tax cheat, while defending the company that fucked me out of benefits to avoid paying their taxes.

709 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:58am

re: #705 Spare O'Lake

The erstwhile doctor obviously has no patience.

Perhaps ,.,,, but the "weasel" reference was uncalled for, imho

That stated, as I said in 704, that alone may not have precluded you getting the royal treatment

710 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:14am

re: #708 drcordell

Did you report their practices to the IRS?

711 razorbacker  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:22am

re: #699 jaunte

Got two of 'em that have just moved uphill from me.

California college professors, retired at 51 and 53.

Said that they couldn't live in California. Claim that it's become a cesspool.

I think that they surely must exaggerate. Even though, here in my little corner of heaven, I have three other neighbors who are former Californians and say the same.

712 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:34am

re: #700 Obdicut

Yeah. Our politicians have traditionally treated pension funds like a big-ass stack of casino chips.

Let's not start on the way that Californian state politics are fucked.

why not?...it's an interesting story

713 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:38am

re: #648 Spare O'Lake

Consultants or contractors are able to reap huge tax savings compared to employees. Weasels like Cordell like to whine and bitch, but they never mention their own willing complicity.

714 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:38am

Reporter: "Describe what you would see if you went into the building."

*eyeroll* Uhhh....burning stuff?


Of course, the person doing the briefing just said that the firefighters are now in an "offensive firefight." I know what he means - they are able to get in there and actually fight the fire - but it's the way he says it. Sounds like we need a couple of squads of Marines.

715 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:57am

re: #710 jaunte

Did you report their practices to the IRS?

don't ask!

716 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:16:23am

re: #715 sattv4u2

Sorry, I haven't heard the whole story...

717 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:16:30am

re: #709 sattv4u2

Perhaps ,.,,, but the "weasel" reference was uncalled for, imho

That stated, as I said in 704, that alone may not have precluded you getting the royal treatment

Correlation does not equal causality my good man.

718 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:39am

re: #712 albusteve

You've repeatedly proven you don't really have a clue what's wrong with politics in California, Steve.

719 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:41am

re: #716 jaunte

Sorry, I haven't heard the whole story...

Long story short, no I didn't. I still have family members and friends that work for/contract with the organization. I suppose I could blow the whistle anonymously, I guess I just figure nothing would ever come of it. After reading this article maybe I'll give it a shot though.

720 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:42am

re: #711 razorbacker

Got two of 'em that have just moved uphill from me.

California college professors, retired at 51 and 53.

Said that they couldn't live in California. Claim that it's become a cesspool.


Did they expand on that at all? Too expensive, or what was the specific complaint?

721 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:53am

re: #715 sattv4u2

don't ask!

Don't tell.

722 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:18:55am

re: #719 drcordell

I think the IRS might still be running some kind of a payment program for whistle-blowers who bring them something juicy.

723 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:19:06am

re: #720 jaunte

Did they expand on that at all? Too expensive, or what was the specific complaint?

Damn I can online imagine how much house you can get in Arkansas with California housing money. You could build your own replica oval office just to sexually harass interns in.

724 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:19:26am

re: #723 drcordell

Damn I can online imagine how much house you can get in Arkansas with California housing money. You could build your own replica oval office just to sexually harass interns in.

Only* imagine

725 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:19:49am
726 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:20:05am

Oh, brother.

FOX is saying the pilot set his house on fire, drove to the airport and get into his plane, and then flew into the building that houses the IRS.

727 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:15am

re: #718 Obdicut

You've repeatedly proven you don't really have a clue what's wrong with politics in California, Steve.

all I said is I've tried to follow the story...is that a reason to be an insulting jerk?...so enlighten me

728 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:26am

re: #716 jaunte

Sorry, I haven't heard the whole story...

Cliff Notes version

he wanted to work in "media"
Only openings were contractor basis
had to take that or couldn't work (leaving out the fact that he was in NYC with thousands of other businesses OR could move out of NYC to pursue a job in 'media")

729 razorbacker  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:42am

re: #720 jaunte

Did they expand on that at all? Too expensive, or what was the specific complaint?

Well, let us see.

Prices are too high. Especially real estate (my baby sister has been telling me that ever since she got to San Diego). Crime is rampant. Civility is disappearing. Jobs are scarce, and those that remain don't pay a living wage.

Going strictly from past experience, I doubt that these fine folks are going to like Arkansas much, either.

'Cause friends, some folks are going to be unhappy no matter where they are or what they do.

730 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:22:09am

re: #725 Mad Al-Jaffee

That reminds me of the current tug of war in Europe between the Germans (retirement at 67) and the Greeks (retirement at 63).

731 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:23:26am

re: #725 Mad Al-Jaffee

Class War: How public servants became our masters

maybe the Jerk will read this

732 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:39am

re: #728 sattv4u2

Cliff Notes version

he wanted to work in "media"
Only openings were contractor basis
had to take that or couldn't work (leaving out the fact that he was in NYC with thousands of other businesses OR could move out of NYC to pursue a job in 'media")

Yes. So basically Sattvu2 thinks that my options rightfully should be

a) Work for media companies that illegally deny me benefits to cheat on their taxes
b) Leave the city

And this "conservative" has no problem with the illegality of the conduct on the part of the business. Because it's fun to disagree with libruls? Because law and order are over-rated?

733 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:43am

re: #731 albusteve

maybe the Jerk will read this

If his mind is already made up, he may not want to be confused by facts.

734 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:56am

re: #726 SteveC

Oh, brother.

FOX is saying the pilot set his house on fire, drove to the airport and get into his plane, and then flew into the building that houses the IRS.

wow...now that's what I call a tax revolt...hope for the best for the victims of his rampage

735 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:51am

Here we go - building hit by plane in Austin, US 183/Mopac
Bad Stuff

736 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:26:16am

Good to see that the Right Wing Terrorists have already begun fully adopting the methodology of Al Qaida. Thank GOD that this sick fuck didn't have access to a bigger plane or a lot more people may have been killed.

I would imagine Fox News will downplay any connections between the alleged pilot's "big government" fears and their media coverage.

out to lunch BBL

737 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:26:36am

re: #735 cliffster

Here we go - building hit by plane in Austin, US 183/Mopac
Bad Stuff

I posted this in the new thread:

OT: The NTSB is saying the plane crash in Austin may have been intentional. The pilot set his house on fire before flying the plane.

738 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:03am

re: #734 albusteve

wow...now that's what I call a tax revolt...hope for the best for the victims of his rampage

Why couldn't he have marched in front of the office and chanted slogans? Or found a harbor and dumped a box of tea in it? You know.... normal shit?

739 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:11am

re: #726 SteveC

Oh, brother.

FOX is saying the pilot set his house on fire, drove to the airport and get into his plane, and then flew into the building that houses the IRS.

Oh, good heavens

740 badger1970  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:15am

re: #736 drcordell

24-hr rule, please?

741 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:42am

re: #736 drcordell

Good to see that the Right Wing Terrorists have already begun fully adopting the methodology of Al Qaida. Thank GOD that this sick fuck didn't have access to a bigger plane or a lot more people may have been killed.

I would imagine Fox News will downplay any connections between the alleged pilot's "big government" fears and their media coverage.

out to lunch BBL

WOW...do you have a link for that?

742 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:50am

re: #733 SteveC

If his mind is already made up, he may not want to be confused by facts.

I enjoy the over the top condescension...I don't have that type of insecurity

743 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:53am

re: #732 drcordell

Yes. So basically Sattvu2 thinks that my options rightfully should be

a) Work for media companies that illegally deny me benefits to cheat on their taxes
b) Leave the city

And this "conservative" has no problem with the illegality of the conduct on the part of the business. Because it's fun to disagree with libruls? Because law and order are over-rated?

Funny how you left off option "C",,, work in another industry, because we all know someone MUST provide you with a position in the industry you always dreamed of

Thats why we have so many cowboys and ballarinas!!

744 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:29:33am

re: #732 drcordell

Yes. So basically Sattvu2 thinks that my options rightfully should be

a) Work for media companies that illegally deny me benefits to cheat on their taxes
b) Leave the city

And this "conservative" has no problem with the illegality of the conduct on the part of the business. Because it's fun to disagree with libruls? Because law and order are over-rated?

Couple of other options, here:
1. Go in to the HR office and talk, courteously, without all sorts of extraneous cursing, to someone there about your situation,
2. Report the situation to the Dept of Labor and the IRS.

745 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:30:30am

re: #732 drcordell

Yes. So basically Sattvu2 thinks that my options rightfully should be

a) Work for media companies that illegally deny me benefits to cheat on their taxes
b) Leave the city

And this "conservative" has no problem with the illegality of the conduct on the part of the business. Because it's fun to disagree with libruls? Because law and order are over-rated?

your sob story is getting ridiculous...I doubt you've seen hard times like some of us...I have had to pack up and move to another state three times in my life...it won't kill you, unless you're addicted to NYC and your wannabe lifestyle...take it somewhere else or buck up

746 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:14am

re: #743 sattv4u2

Funny how you left off option "C",,, work in another industry, because we all know someone MUST provide you with a position in the industry you always dreamed of

Thats why we have so many cowboys and ballarinas!!

Or D) Take control over my own life.

747 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:31am

Bill Hemmer on FOX is concerned if the pilot filed a flight plan. If he's torched his house and plans to crash his plane into the IRS office, I doubt a flight plan is going to be important to him!

748 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:37am

re: #736 drcordell

Good to see that the Right Wing Terrorists have already begun fully adopting the methodology of Al Qaida. Thank GOD that this sick fuck didn't have access to a bigger plane or a lot more people may have been killed.

I would imagine Fox News will downplay any connections between the alleged pilot's "big government" fears and their media coverage.

out to lunch BBL

Give me a fucking break.

749 claire  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:32:21am

re: #732 drcordell

What is your employer doing that is illegal?

750 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:00am

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Or D) Take control over my own life.

As you have done.
Duh.

751 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:05am

re: #726 SteveC

From what I can tell, the fire is at 9420 Research Boulevard, but the IRS offices are not there - they're at 825 East Rundberg Lane. So, if this was a case of a pilot trying to go after the IRS, they got the wrong building.

However, the FBI website does indicate that they have offices in the building (though I've seen that disputed elsewhere - they're apparently in an adjacent building, which leads me to think that the address isn't 9420 Research Blvd)

752 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:14am

re: #744 reine.de.tout

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

re: #745 albusteve

Per my 743 ,,, I'd give a months salary to a favorite charity to see the good Dr as a ballarina!

753 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:17am

re: #743 sattv4u2

Thats why we have so many cowboys and ballarinas!!

I wanna be a cowboy
and you can be my cowgirl

754 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:34:09am

re: #745 albusteve

your sob story is getting ridiculous...I doubt you've seen hard times like some of us...I have had to pack up and move to another state three times in my life...it won't kill you, unless you're addicted to NYC and your wannabe lifestyle...take it somewhere else or buck up

I'm am making 9 dollars an hour at a thrift store, hauling used furniture, after spending 5 years trying to stay in my 25 year career, computer programming. You don't see me whining or claiming I was forced to take the thrift store job. I was making 82 thousand a year five years ago.

No one forced me to do anything, I did what was necessary and feel extreamely good about it.

Dr. Cordell, too bad, so sad, and really don't feel once ounce sorry for you.

755 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:35:50am

re: #754 Walter L. Newton

Yours is a dying breed.

756 razorbacker  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:35:53am

Speaking of working for a living (work, that curse of the drinking classes) brings to mind this...

I'm fairly old. Lots older than I ever thought that I'd get to be, given family history. And I've had lots of jobs. In several different fields. I've had to live where I did not wish to live, and had to associate with those I'd have just as soon not had to be around.

And that seems to be just about the norm.

I think that the reason that they call it 'work' is that someone has to pay you to get you to do it.

Otherwise you'd just be fooling around.

And, urm, I start a new gig this Saturday.

757 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:37:40am

re: #755 cliffster

Yours is a dying breed.

Amen ,,,, I moved 4 times in a 15 month period ( and not cross town moves ,,from Boston to Greensboro N.C.,,,,, back to Boston ,, then to Atlanta with a 3-4 year old in tow) for work

Gotta do whatchya gotta do

758 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:38:06am

re: #754 Walter L. Newton

I'm am making 9 dollars an hour at a thrift store, hauling used furniture, after spending 5 years trying to stay in my 25 year career, computer programming. You don't see me whining or claiming I was forced to take the thrift store job. I was making 82 thousand a year five years ago.

No one forced me to do anything, I did what was necessary and feel extreamely good about it.

Dr. Cordell, too bad, so sad, and really don't feel once ounce sorry for you.

heh...I don't either, I have my own stories

759 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:38:49am

re: #755 cliffster

Yours is a dying breed.

Thanks... and the funny thing is, I don't feel special about it. This was what I was taught, this is the way life works. And no, I'm not excusing companies that exploit their workers or anything like that, but no one owns me, and I am completely capable of making decisions for myself.

Too bad Dr. Cordell needs a nanny.

760 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:39:12am

re: #756 razorbacker

And, urm, I start a new gig this Saturday

Best of luck

761 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:39:20am

re: #751 lawhawk

From what I can tell, the fire is at 9420 Research Boulevard, but the IRS offices are not there - they're at 825 East Rundberg Lane. So, if this was a case of a pilot trying to go after the IRS, they got the wrong building.

However, the FBI website does indicate that they have offices in the building (though I've seen that disputed elsewhere - they're apparently in an adjacent building, which leads me to think that the address isn't 9420 Research Blvd)

Yep, eyewitnesses report the plane came in under full control, and a great rate of speed.

This ain't good at all. Still unknown # of casualties.

762 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:40:35am

re: #758 albusteve

heh...I don't either, I have my own stories

And I know some of them, and you're right.

763 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:41:00am

[Link: www.myfoxaustin.com...]

Live feed from the crash site.

764 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:41:02am

re: #754 Walter L. Newton

I left my home city to find a job in my chosen career after I got exploited (in a different way) by my previous employers. I get reminded of my outcast status every time I drive or fly back to fish country. I'm the "bad son" who couldn't stay home, apparently... Except I'm doing what I love, with the lady I love, and it's the price I chose to pay to get both.

765 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:42:06am

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... and the funny thing is, I don't feel special about it. This was what I was taught, this is the way life works. And no, I'm not excusing companies that exploit their workers or anything like that, but no one owns me, and I am completely capable of making decisions for myself.

Too bad Dr. Cordell needs a nanny.

I'm rented out to my ex-wife...I can't be left unsupervised or I'd be rotting away on some Caribbean beach...she keeps me trotting along

766 razorbacker  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:43:00am

re: #760 sattv4u2

And, urm, I start a new gig this Saturday

Best of luck

Thanks.

It's the best of all worlds. A short-term job with fairly high pay and all expenses covered. In other words, after about eleven hours of training I'll be the 'expert' who trains others to use new equipment and software.

But I have to fly, and I dislike flying. No, strike that. I love flying. What I dislike is the Kabuki theater before getting on the plane.

767 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:43:14am

re: #764 thedopefishlives

I left my home city to find a job in my chosen career after I got exploited (in a different way) by my previous employers. I get reminded of my outcast status every time I drive or fly back to fish country. I'm the "bad son" who couldn't stay home, apparently... Except I'm doing what I love, with the lady I love, and it's the price I chose to pay to get both.

Yea, but the fact remains, you LEFT, you made the choice, no one forced you to stay, you managed to do what you needed to do and you're not whining about those decisions.

Even if it all came out 100 percent bad, you own up to the fact that you took control, had control and retain control, and you don't get on blogs and cry over it.

768 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:43:30am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

Yea, but the fact remains, you LEFT, you made the choice, no one forced you to stay, you managed to do what you needed to do and you're not whining about those decisions.

Even if it all came out 100 percent bad, you own up to the fact that you took control, had control and retain control, and you don't get on blogs and cry over it.

Precisely my point.

769 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:44:38am

I love white rum and palm trees...a lot

770 cliffster  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:47:31am

re: #763 Guanxi88

[Link: www.myfoxaustin.com...]

Live feed from the crash site.

This is pretty crazy. My best man used to work in that building.

771 razorbacker  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:48:56am

I'll see y'all later.

My neighbor-lady called; she got back from Manila late last night. Says that she brought me a present, and can I come get it?

I hope it's one of those cute little Filipinas.

I bet it ain't, though.

772 drcordell  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:04:28am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

Yea, but the fact remains, you LEFT, you made the choice, no one forced you to stay, you managed to do what you needed to do and you're not whining about those decisions.

Even if it all came out 100 percent bad, you own up to the fact that you took control, had control and retain control, and you don't get on blogs and cry over it.

I didn't cry about it. I simply stated that the way I was employed was illegal. Doesn't the rule of law mean anything to you? Jesus Christ in a handbasket. Where did I say I expected ANY special treatment whatsoever? You find it SO completely offensive that I expect my employer to follow the law. Unfuckingbelieveable.

All it takes for you to argue against the rule of law is for a "librul" to have a complaint. Then it's "go cry me a river you dumb fucking hippie."

773 oldegeezr  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:33:08pm

re: #736 drcordell

Limbaugh went totally “off his nut” today…saying liberals, progressives and the Obama Administration…

“must be stopped, before they destroy this nation”

…multiple times.

Rush spouts the same spiel every day, day after day, for three hours on AM radio…sooner or later it’s gonna send those individuals, “light in their loafers” out for a walk, or around the bend…!

It may not be today or tomorrow; but how about next week or next month?

Psychological warfare ought to be reserved for our real enemies!

I’m seventy one years old and have been politically active for the last fifty years, ever since I was discharged from the US Army...
I have never experienced the present kind or type, of public, political, vitriol in my lifetime.

I have to sympathize with Senator Birch Bayh; however I will not give up the fight!


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