Tea Party Speaker Calls for a Lynching

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At a tea party demonstration in Washington state last week, one of the speakers called for Democratic Senator Patty Murray to be hanged.

(AP)  SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - A speaker at an eastern Washington “tea party” gathering called for U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., to be hanged, drawing laughter and applause from the crowd.

The unidentified woman, captured by a local television crew while speaking from the podium Saturday, told the crowd in Clarkston that Murray should suffer the same fate as the character Jake in the western “Lonesome Dove.”

“What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray.”

The crowd erupted in laughter at the comment. Organizers estimated that approximately 500 people attended the weekend meeting of the Lewis & Clark Tea Party Patriots, held at the Asotin County Fairgrounds.

UPDATE at 2/18/10 7:41:57 pm:

And that wasn’t all. At the same event there was a sign calling for President Obama to be castrated.

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1 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:53:22pm

Is there no limit to the crazy tonight?

2 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:56:01pm

This story pisses me off as few have. Openly calling for murder is a dangerous new low for the teabaggers. The woman who called for this lynching needs to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison. Washington state needs to land on talk like this with both feet.

3 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:57:28pm

people are really getting bold these days...personally I'd consider that a threat and would retaliate...legally and with a PR slam that fuck would never forget

4 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:58:13pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

This story pisses me off as few have. Openly calling for murder is a dangerous new low for the teabaggers. The woman who called for this lynching needs to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison. Washington state needs to land on talk like this with both feet.

it's just a joke...c'mon

5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:58:36pm

Eastern Washington got some crazy. Yeah, it's a Blue state, because of Seattle, but the east half of the state is almost completely unrecognizable from Puget Sound


(Spokane has themselves a fantastic brewery and restaurant called the Steam Plant, tho)

6 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:58:44pm
Television station KLEW of Lewiston, Idaho, which recorded the comment, did not get the woman's name.

Event organizer Dianne Capps said the woman's remark was not made in malice. The speaker was on stage briefly to introduce the band, and organizers did not know who she was, Capps said.


Someone knows.

7 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:58:47pm

hold that same rally in olympia and see what happens

8 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 6:59:30pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

This story pisses me off as few have. Openly calling for murder is a dangerous new low for the teabaggers. The woman who called for this lynching needs to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison. Washington state needs to land on talk like this with both feet.

She was not advocating that Murray actually be hanged.

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:02pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

hold that same rally in olympia and see what happens

hahaha they'd be covered in whipped cream by Evergreen students :D

10 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:03pm

re: #8 MandyManners

She was not advocating that Murray actually be hanged.

It sure sounded like that to me.

11 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:10pm

You really gotta cut Spokane some slack, "Lonesome Dove" was HUGE there.

12 Gus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:51pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Is there no limit to the crazy tonight?

You beat me to it. I was going to say something about the never ending crazy.

13 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:00:54pm

An elected official who cracks a bad joke about someone getting wacked or makes some riff on 'will no one rid me of this turbulent priest' should spend some time in the dog house, at the very least. Do it to the president and you likely belong in jail.

However, an unidentified woman gets a little more latitude. When K.E.Loyd is in charge, the media won't even report on random, unidentified strangers. This is why I am leery of 'hate speech' laws. This is ham fisted, inarticulate, or distasteful political speech. It there is more stupid than hate in this quote, imho.

14 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:01:15pm

re: #9 WindUpBird

hahaha they'd be covered in whipped cream by Evergreen students :D

And then some of them might well have opened fire on the students. There are teabaggers crazy enough to try it.

15 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #4 albusteve

it's just a joke...c'mon

I can't reconcile your #3 and #4, how do you?

16 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:01:38pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

It sure sounded like that to me.

So, we lock up everyone who spouts off rude and crude things?

17 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:01:53pm

The Tea Party speaker did something illegal:

Here's the legal language:

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY

Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:02:07pm

re: #8 MandyManners

"He got hung. And that's what I want to do with Patty Murray."

That's the quote. Is everyone misquoting her?

19 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:02:30pm

re: #3 albusteve

people are really getting bold these days...personally I'd consider that a threat and would retaliate...legally and with a PR slam that fuck would never forget

Nah, this stuff has been going on for a year and nobody is taking any action....
Tea Party Republican warns that the next step after 'the ballot box' is 'the bullet box'

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

This dangerous rhetoric has become so common that nobody even notices anymore. The Right is certainly guilty for not keeping extremists out but the lefty MSM is also guilty. They've been giving the right wing extremists plenty of cover because they see political gains when/if some right wing extremist goes on a killing spree. Assholes all.

20 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:02:41pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

hold that same rally in olympia and see what happens

21 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:02:51pm

re: #8 MandyManners

She was not advocating that Murray actually be hanged.

“What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray.”

At the very least a STUPID STUPID STUPID thing to say....

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:03:13pm

Keeping it classy, they are.

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:03:55pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

And then some of them might well have opened fire on the students. There are teabaggers crazy enough to try it.

Well, my point was actually that they'd be VASTLY OUTNUMBERED by protesters if they did that in Olympia. Olympia is intensely liberal, and Evergreen is one of the most zany and wacky liberal colleges on the west coast.

24 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:04:07pm

re: #18 WindUpBird

"He got hung. And that's what I want to do with Patty Murray."

That's the quote. Is everyone misquoting her?

Well in crazy land she's only saying that's what she wants to do, not what she will do, or would be suggesting anyone else should do....

If you take a few mind bending drugs and squint real hard....

25 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:04:09pm

re: #18 WindUpBird

"He got hung. And that's what I want to do with Patty Murray."

That's the quote. Is everyone misquoting her?

We don't understand her satire.

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:05:03pm

Racism erupts at Free Republic on the news of the military coup in Niger:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

27 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:05:34pm

re: #16 MandyManners

So, we lock up everyone who spouts off rude and crude things?

I don't want her locked up, I just want her mercilessly mocked by the media. It wasn't a threat, just nutball rhetoric by a kook who wants to talk tough in front of a crowd.

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:06:11pm

re: #25 iceweasel

We don't understand her satire.

OH THE SATIRE!

N---R is the new satire, I hear.

29 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:06:19pm

re: #16 MandyManners

So, we lock up everyone who spouts off rude and crude things?

Rude and crude is one thing. Saying someone should be hanged at public rally is quite a another.

30 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:06:51pm

re: #26 Charles

Racism erupts at Free Republic on the news of the military coup in Niger:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

i would love to see a reality tv show where they take a few random freepers and lock them in an apartment with the black panthers.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:07:13pm

With everything else that's happened today, this is just too much. We've had a plane crash into a government office in a suicide attack, another make an emergency landing because of a bomb threat, and, now, an open call for the murder of an elected official. This is sedition, pure and simple.
Arrest the crazy bitch in Washington, and throw those Facebook terror-symps in with her.

32 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:07:56pm

There is enough there for the police to investigate, one doesn't call for the hanging of a US Senator at a political rally.

33 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:08:53pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

and quoting someone without even getting their name and passing it off as journalism is another thing still.

/still woudln't object to the FBI 'explaining' until she 'understands' that this is beyond the pale

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:08:54pm

re: #32 Bagua

There is enough there for the police to investigate, one doesn't call for the hanging of a US Senator at a political rally.

But, but, PATRIOTISM!!!!
/need I?

35 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:11pm

Hey Night Lizards!

I was in MSM seclusion all day. A guy flew a plane into an IRS building in Austin?

WTF? Anyone (besides the pilot) injured?

How are you-all?

36 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:21pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

i would love to see a reality tv show where they take a few random freepers and lock them in an apartment with the black panthers. middle-aged black nurses.

Got to be women, to really scare the Freepers.

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:09:47pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Rude and crude is one thing. Saying someone should be hanged at public rally is quite a another.

I think it was more of that chest-puffing "I-wanna-kick-ass" rhetoric than an honest actionable threat. A frowny knock on the door from a guy in a sharp suit with sunglasses and a little earpiece would clear that right up, she'd probably stay in bed for the next week.

38 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:10:04pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Got to be women, to really scare the Freepers.

you have a point there

39 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:04pm

re: #30 SpaceJesus

i would love to see a reality tv show where they take a few random freepers and lock them in an apartment with the black panthers.

Or Bigot V Spigot where they are beaten to death by a plumbing fixture.

(Steven Colbert joke)

40 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:11:26pm

re: #26 Charles

Racism erupts at Free Republic on the news of the military coup in Niger:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Is Niger where Mother Nature's nuclear reactor is?

41 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:32pm

re: #40 ggt

Her yellow cake is there.

42 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:12:52pm

re: #8 MandyManners

She was not advocating that Murray actually be hanged.

All a joke -- ha ha! Until of course, people are calling for you or your loved ones to be lynched. Believe me, the humour wears off real quick.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:02pm

re: #33 keloyd

and quoting someone without even getting their name and passing it off as journalism is another thing still.

/still woudln't object to the FBI 'explaining' until she 'understands' that this is beyond the pale

The FBI shows up at her door, rubbing their temples. "Look, ok. So... we're the FBI. This seven foot tall guy from the Matrix here is from the Secret Service. You're saying stupid shit. You're wasting our time. Please do not make us visit you a second time."

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:15pm

No, sorry, it's Oklo, Gabon.

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:31pm

re: #41 jaunte

Her yellow cake is there.

Don't say cake. FBV might hear you.
/

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:13:55pm

re: #8 MandyManners

She was not advocating that Murray actually be hanged.

Well, she does SAY that she wants to hang her.

47 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:02pm

re: #45 cannadian club akbar

Don't say cake. FBV might hear you.
/

I heard it and I want cake!

48 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:09pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Nah, this stuff has been going on for a year and nobody is taking any action...
Tea Party Republican warns that the next step after 'the ballot box' is 'the bullet box'

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

This dangerous rhetoric has become so common that nobody even notices anymore. The Right is certainly guilty for not keeping extremists out but the lefty MSM is also guilty. They've been giving the right wing extremists plenty of cover because they see political gains when/if some right wing extremist goes on a killing spree. Assholes all.

yes, you've documented it well and I've expected as much...what I didn't assume is that nobody would move against personal attacks like this...when you have a chance to do something about it, you have an ethical obligation to take it seriously

49 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:17pm

re: #47 ggt

I heard it and I want cake!

The cake is a lie.

50 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:29pm

re: #44 ggt

That's very interesting...

51 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:36pm

re: #40 ggt

Is Niger where Mother Nature's nuclear reactor is?

That's in Gabon. A very weird phenomenon but perfectly logical and consistent with the evidence. The Earth was quite a bit different 2 billion years ago when it happened.

52 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:37pm

re: #37 WindUpBird

I think it was more of that chest-puffing "I-wanna-kick-ass" rhetoric than an honest actionable threat. A frowny knock on the door from a guy in a sharp suit with sunglasses and a little earpiece would clear that right up, she'd probably stay in bed for the next week.

I don't care. The TP crowd is shot clean through with nuts. I want to make an example out of her as a warning to the rest of them. Crush one to warn a thousand.

53 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:39pm

In other news, speaking of the general level of crazy today, residents of Niger are 'Nigerien' as opposed to 'Nigerian' residents of Nigeria. It's as if they didn't get to name their own countries, and the ones who did weren't trying very hard.

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:14:53pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, she does SAY that she wants to hang her.

It was a very stupid way to say, "if you hang-out in shit, you will start to smell like it. "

Personally, I think my version is much less offensive.

55 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:15:10pm

re: #17 Ojoe

The Tea Party speaker did something illegal:

Here's the legal language:

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY

Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.

No crime here. Not even close.

56 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:15:44pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

The cake is a lie.

BLASPHEMER!

/

57 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:15:59pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Got to be women, to really scare the Freepers.

Now, that is funny AND has the ring of truth to it.

58 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:16:19pm

re: #41 jaunte

Her yellow cake is there.

I like yellow cake, especially lemon flavored with vanilla icing.

/must I?

59 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:18:03pm

re: #55 Spare O'Lake

No crime here. Not even close.

I think on a day that a member of their movement flies a plane into a building over taxes, the case could be made that it doesn't take shit all to incite the tea-baggers to violence.

60 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:18:16pm

re: #43 WindUpBird

The FBI shows up at her door, rubbing their temples. "Look, ok. So... we're the FBI. This seven foot tall guy from the Matrix here is from the Secret Service. You're saying stupid shit. You're wasting our time. Please do not make us visit you a second time."

I was thinking more of the FBI bringing an Oklahoma Truth Detector - a big, shaven headed redneck with a baseball bat. Every time he hears a lie, WACK! We could try it your way first, I suppose.

61 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:15pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

That's in Gabon. A very weird phenomenon but perfectly logical and consistent with the evidence. The Earth was quite a bit different 2 billion years ago when it happened.

Actually, the family went thru the Museum of Nuclear Science and History in ABQ. It was the beginning point of my change of heart regarding nuclear anything. I think more people would be pro-nuclear power if they learned that it is not a wholly man-made phenom.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:23pm

re: #26 Charles

Racism erupts at Free Republic on the news of the military coup in Niger:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Well, that was classy.

63 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:19:55pm

re: #60 keloyd

I was thinking more of the FBI bringing an Oklahoma Truth Detector - a big, shaven headed redneck with a baseball bat. Every time he hears a lie, WACK! We could try it your way first, I suppose.

Do not offend the chair leg of truth. It is wise and terrible!

64 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:20:40pm

re: #61 ggt

Actually, the family went thru the Museum of Nuclear Science and History in ABQ. It was the beginning point of my change of heart regarding nuclear anything. I think more people would be pro-nuclear power if they learned that it is not a wholly man-made phenom.

That looks amazingly cool. On the list of museums to see.

65 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:20:41pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

I don't care. The TP crowd is shot clean through with nuts. I want to make an example out of her as a warning to the rest of them. Crush one to warn a thousand.

In essence, I think you are right. The Tea Bag reference regarding unfair taxes is something near and dear to EVERY voter. It does sway elections. It's the Party part that gives me the creeps. Some of these people seem to be on some way weird drugs.

66 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:20:44pm

re: #59 McSpiff

I think on a day that a member of their movement flies a plane into a building over taxes, the case could be made that it doesn't take shit all to incite the tea-baggers to violence.

Do YOU honestly believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she actually intended to persuade others to hang Murray?

67 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:07pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that was classy.

Your response was way classier than the one I had in my head.

68 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:21:33pm

re: #66 Spare O'Lake

Do YOU honestly believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she actually intended to persuade others to hang Murray?

Maybe not, but I bet if we go through the trouble of putting her in court, she'll never do it again...

69 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:22:14pm

Sacre Bleu!
I was hoping to make the 7000 karma mark, and whoosh!
I just blew by it!

Thank you, thank you, you really like me!
(Sally Field mode off now!)

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:22:46pm
The unidentified woman, captured by a local television crew while speaking from the podium Saturday

Unidentified, yet speaking from a podium. I'll wager her identity is unknown because her co-ideologists don't want to make it known.

71 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:01pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Maybe not, but I bet if we go through the trouble of putting her in court, she'll never do it again...

Ah yes, great idea.

72 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:32pm

re: #64 McSpiff

That looks amazingly cool. On the list of museums to see.

small but tasty...lots of old hardware out back....White Sands is really a cool place if you ever get down there

73 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:35pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Unidentified, yet speaking from a podium. I'll wager her identity is unknown because her co-ideologists don't want to make it known.

Well you see she brought the podium with her.....

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:23:40pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Maybe not, but I bet if we go through the trouble of putting her in court, she'll never do it again...

As soon as the Code Pinkers et al. are brought to trial for their misspelled posters and bad outfits.

75 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:24:07pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Maybe not, but I bet if we go through the trouble of putting her in court, she'll never do it again...

I'd be satisfied if she was named and shamed in her community and at her place of employment.

76 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #74 ggt

As soon as the Code Pinkers et al. are brought to trial for their misspelled posters and bad outfits.

Yes because there's such a wonderful equality between bad grammar, no fashion sense, and calling for the killing of an elected senator....

77 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:24:57pm

re: #59 McSpiff

I think on a day that a member of their movement flies a plane into a building over taxes, the case could be made that it doesn't take shit all to incite the tea-baggers to violence.

I missed most of the updates on the Austin plane attack. Was that pilot really a member of the Tea Party?

78 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:24pm

re: #72 albusteve

small but tasty...lots of old hardware out back...White Sands is really a cool place if you ever get down there

Uncle was part of the 1940's White Sands Proving Grounds Team.
Lots of fun pictures.
He did a bunch of spelunking in the area!

79 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:37pm

re: #66 Spare O'Lake

Do YOU honestly believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she actually intended to persuade others to hang Murray?

no, but someone should throw a major fit on principle

80 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:25:44pm

re: #75 darthstar

I'd be satisfied if she was named and shamed in her community and at her place of employment.

I would be too, and it'd be a lot less expensive then a case, but if the people themselves aren't willing to do it without prompting well then it sort of behooves the federal government to step in. At least from a Liberal point of view....

81 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:26:04pm

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

So far, the one attribution was proven false-- different middle name.

I think the general feeling is that his madness covered a lot of territory and isn't directly related to the tea party or anything, but the amazing thing is that some of the fringe crowd are claiming him as their own.

82 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:26:28pm

re: #66 Spare O'Lake

Do YOU honestly believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she actually intended to persuade others to hang Murray?

Yes. We're discussing people who, by their own admission are gearing up for a second revolution. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that a member of that audience took her comment at face value. And I have no doubt that she was well aware of who she was speaking to.

This isn't open mic night at a comedy club. I truly believe this movement has the under-pinnings of a domestic terrorism group. This comes from my reading of the history of groups like the FLQ, IRA and ETA. Once a segment of society believes that they are being illegally ruled over, violence is a very real possibility.

83 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:26:52pm

re: #78 Floral Giraffe

Uncle was part of the 1940's White Sands Proving Grounds Team.
Lots of fun pictures.
He did a bunch of spelunking in the area!

really a beautiful and unique place, all around the region

84 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:22pm

Spelunking just sounds dirty, what if I went spelunking with yo mama?

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:25pm

re: #66 Spare O'Lake

Do YOU honestly believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she actually intended to persuade others to hang Murray?

Probably not.

I do, however, believe beyond a reasonable doubt that if someone at some liberal gathering had talked about hanging a Republican senator in exactly those terms, some folks here would be taking it very seriously indeed.

I also believe beyond a reasonable doubt that talk like this, repeated again and again, leads to violence. Therefore, it is of concern to me.

86 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:25pm

re: #79 albusteve

no, but someone should throw a major fit on principle

I agree...in fact, they should hang the bitch out to dry!

87 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:26pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Maybe not, but I bet if we go through the trouble of putting her in court, she'll never do it again...

And it'll also persuade some others not to make such threats. If such threats are made frequently, then the odds are that someone will try to carry one of them out.

88 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:27:29pm

Speaking of tea partiers...America's favorite rogue got pwned by the actress who did the voice over for the mentally retarded character in the episode of "Family Guy" that Sister Sarah was railing about the other day.

"My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes."

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:11pm

re: #26 Charles

Racism erupts at Free Republic on the news of the military coup in Niger:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I think I'd be more surprised to learn that ice is cold. Oh, and holy shit, that comment linked is way fuct.

90 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:48pm

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

I missed most of the updates on the Austin plane attack. Was that pilot really a member of the Tea Party?

He had donated to Ron Paul I believe.
re: #72 albusteve

small but tasty...lots of old hardware out back...White Sands is really a cool place if you ever get down there


D'oh didn't even make the association with White Sands. I love that stuff, I really do. *crosses fingers on Lockheed Martin application*

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:54pm

re: #74 ggt

As soon as the Code Pinkers et al. are brought to trial for their misspelled posters and bad outfits.

I don't think anyone has proposed trying the Tea Partiers for their bad outfits, although I have to admit to sort of liking their dress-up aspect.

92 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:28:55pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

And it'll also persuade some others not to make such threats. If such threats are made frequently, then the odds are that someone will try to carry one of them out.

probably end up with another free speech martyr

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:29:35pm

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

I missed most of the updates on the Austin plane attack. Was that pilot really a member of the Tea Party?

Don't think so, at least not according to the last several reports. I think some of them are now hailing him as a martyr, but I don't know that he ever made contact with them in real life.

94 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:32pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't think so, at least not according to the last several reports. I think some of them are now hailing him as a martyr, but I don't know that he ever made contact with them in real life.

Good luck finding 72 virgins in that crowd.

95 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:34pm

re: #82 McSpiff

Yes. We're discussing people who, by their own admission are gearing up for a second revolution. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that a member of that audience took her comment at face value. And I have no doubt that she was well aware of who she was speaking to.

This isn't open mic night at a comedy club. I truly believe this movement has the under-pinnings of a domestic terrorism group. This comes from my reading of the history of groups like the FLQ, IRA and ETA. Once a segment of society believes that they are being illegally ruled over, violence is a very real possibility.

I'm not sure which is scarier...her idiotic hyperbole or your political paranoia.

96 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:30:40pm

re: #90 McSpiff

No, the donation was a different guy with the same middle name, I'm pretty damn sure.

97 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:31:08pm

re: #90 McSpiff

D'oh didn't even make the association with White Sands. I love that stuff, I really do. *crosses fingers on Lockheed Martin application*

NM will blow you away...that's a promise, no pun intended..the White Sands basin and surrounding mountains are really unusual

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:31:29pm

re: #94 darthstar

Good luck finding 72 virgins in that crowd.

BAD MENTAL IMAGE!!!!

99 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:31:52pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't think so, at least not according to the last several reports. I think some of them are now hailing him as a martyr, but I don't know that he ever made contact with them in real life.

His suicide diatribe did not sound particularly tea-partyish to me, or rather, it seemed he was all over the map with his beliefs, hard to pigeon-hole him.

It seems, though, that his crazy "supporters" are tea-party types, for some reason - probably his anti-tax stance, I would imagine.

100 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:32:07pm

I probably shouldn't have made the connection between the Tea Party movement and the IRS attack so quickly. I was only scanning the other thread and read what i wanted to. Consider it retracted. Charles if you want to remove that post, feel free.

101 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:32:11pm

re: #88 darthstar

Speaking of tea partiers...America's favorite rogue got pwned by the actress who did the voice over for the mentally retarded character in the episode of "Family Guy" that Sister Sarah was railing about the other day.

"My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes."

Fake political outrage FAIL

102 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:32:14pm

re: #26 Charles

Racism erupts at Free Republic on the news of the military coup in Niger:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I've gotta give one of the guys over at Fark.com kudos for a really funny headline though:

Coup succeeds in detaining Niger president, exciting teabaggers who misread the headline

103 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:32:47pm

re: #90 McSpiff


He had donated to Ron Paul I believe.

Now that is interesting. Has anyone been brave enough to see the reaction on Stormfront?

104 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:32:50pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

And it'll also persuade some others not to make such threats. If such threats are made frequently, then the odds are that someone will try to carry one of them out.

You do realize, I hope, that you are suggesting that the power of the State be abused to stifle non-criminal constitutionally protected speech.

105 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:12pm

re: #95 Spare O'Lake

I'm not sure which is scarier...her idiotic hyperbole or your political paranoia.

You don't get to call it paranoia when one thread over we've got people flying planes into IRS buildings.

Its only paranoia if there's no one out to get you.....

106 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:23pm

re: #103 NJDhockeyfan

Don't think it's true, though.

107 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:38pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

I've gotta give one of the guys over at Fark.com kudos for a really funny headline though:

Coup succeeds in detaining Niger president, exciting teabaggers who misread the headline

lol

108 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:33:58pm

re: #106 Obdicut

Don't think it's true, though.

Nope...it was a different James Stack...not a good week to have that name.

109 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:34:24pm

re: #104 Spare O'Lake

You do realize, I hope, that you are suggesting that the power of the State be abused to stifle non-criminal constitutionally protected speech.

Link to all the places, or any place, where you defended burning Bush in effigy, hanging Bush in effigy, or any Code Pinko wacko speech about lynching Bush or any member of the GOP, please.

110 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:34:36pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

He called it. Sad that Freepers are that predictably racist.

111 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:34:50pm

re: #95 Spare O'Lake

I'm not sure which is scarier...her idiotic hyperbole or your political paranoia.

If you don't want to look at early rhetoric of various groups, that's fine. For those that do, the parallels will be there. Taking back your country from an occupying power... if it's your own countrymen is a common theme. And its one we see increasingly from the Tea Party movement, and the Palinians.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:34:54pm

re: #73 jamesfirecat

Well you see she brought the podium with her...

That made me think of this SNL short. The podium bit is near the end.

113 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:35:01pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

His suicide diatribe did not sound particularly tea-partyish to me, or rather, it seemed he was all over the map with his beliefs, hard to pigeon-hole him.

It seems, though, that his crazy "supporters" are tea-party types, for some reason - probably his anti-tax stance, I would imagine.

I tried to read the thing, but the crazy was too strong, what parts of his stance seemed leftish to you?

Well I guess he was pretty heavily into the companies/rich people/organized religion is evil, so you do have a reasonable point....

Wonder if they'd be signing up to defend him if he'd crashed his plain into a Catholic Church to decry how they don't have to pay taxes....

114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:35:30pm

Here's the letter from the DS girl on Family Guy:

Below is a copy of a letter to the editor that Andrea has written and sent. Please feel free to circulate it on the web or in any other manner that you choose.

All best wishes,

Hal Friedman

My name is Andrea Fay Friedman. I was born with Down syndrome. I played the role of Ellen on the "Extra Large Medium" episode of Family Guy that was broadcast on Valentine's day. Although they gave me red hair on the show, I am really a blonde. I also wore a red wig for my role in " Smudge" but I was a blonde in "Life Goes On". I guess former Governor Palin does not have a sense of humor. I thought the line "I am the daughter of the former governor of Alaska" was very funny. I think the word is "sarcasm".

In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes.

The NYT who published her letter decided to omit the part about the french bread.

!!

115 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:35:40pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

Yes because there's such a wonderful equality between bad grammar, no fashion sense, and calling for the killing of an elected senator...

IIRC, the lefty whacko's called for Bush's death as well. My point being, that free speech is free speech. To my knowledge, the lady didn't break any laws.

116 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:36:25pm

Here's the video:

Note the "Geld Obama" (as in neuter/castrate) sign right after the hanging speech.

Is it just me or is it bizarre how this local news channel covers this event? "Strong words spoken"? And then advertising at the end how to join up?

117 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:36:28pm

re: #84 keloyd

Spelunking just sounds dirty, what if I went spelunking with yo mama?

She'd leave you in the dark!
LOL!

118 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:36:58pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

His suicide diatribe did not sound particularly tea-partyish to me, or rather, it seemed he was all over the map with his beliefs, hard to pigeon-hole him.

It seems, though, that his crazy "supporters" are tea-party types, for some reason - probably his anti-tax stance, I would imagine.

I read some of it. He complained about not being able to find work in California (where, apparently, he'd lost his business license for not paying state taxes), so he moved to Texas...where he complained that pay rates were 1/3 less than in California (it's called cost of living, dude).

119 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:37:53pm

re: #113 jamesfirecat

Wonder if they'd be signing up to defend him if he'd crashed his plain into a Catholic Church to decry how they don't have to pay taxes...

Actually he was very angry with the Catholic Church and said nasty things about it.

120 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:38:14pm

re: #117 Floral Giraffe

She'd leave you in the dark!
LOL!


Are you going to cave in that easy?

121 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:38:56pm

Montage about Figure Skating Falls

122 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:29pm

re: #116 simoom

That's a total failure of journalism right there. Jesus. They could report on someone being tortured and never change their vocal delivery.

God I loathe the media.

I wish I didn't have to loathe so much. But there's so much to loathe.

123 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:33pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Montage about Figure Skating Falls

Gravity - it's still the Law!

124 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:38pm

re: #119 Bagua

Actually he was very angry with the Catholic Church and said nasty things about it.

Yeah I know, I mentioned that in my full post.

"Well I guess he was pretty heavily into the companies/rich people/organized religion is evil, so you do have a reasonable point..."

Funny how you only quoted part of it so that you you could blithely misinterprate what I said!

125 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:46pm

re: #109 iceweasel

Link to all the places, or any place, where you defended burning Bush in effigy, hanging Bush in effigy, or any Code Pinko wacko speech about lynching Bush or any member of the GOP, please.

I never advocated that any of them be falsely charged with a crime in order to intimidate them.
Get a grip.

126 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:39:50pm

re: #113 jamesfirecat

I tried to read the thing, but the crazy was too strong, what parts of his stance seemed leftish to you?

Well I guess he was pretty heavily into the companies/rich people/organized religion is evil, so you do have a reasonable point...

Wonder if they'd be signing up to defend him if he'd crashed his plain into a Catholic Church to decry how they don't have to pay taxes...

The thing was a rambling wreck of crazy. I couldn't really make heads or tails of what he was upset about or wanted or anything.

It was crystal clear that he hates the Catholic church, the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and the auto industry, things that are usually (except for the Catholic Church) not well thought of by those on the left side of things.

On the other hand, very anti-tax, normally an issue you hear from the right side of things.

I think he had a miserable and unsuccessful life and apparently he blamed everybody else but himself.

127 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:40:08pm

re: #122 Obdicut

Loathe not lest ye be loathed.

128 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:09pm

re: #126 reine.de.tout

The thing was a rambling wreck of crazy. I couldn't really make heads or tails of what he was upset about or wanted or anything.

It was crystal clear that he hates the Catholic church, the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and the auto industry, things that are usually (except for the Catholic Church) not well thought of by those on the left side of things.

On the other hand, very anti-tax, normally an issue you hear from the right side of things.

I think he had a miserable and unsuccessful life and apparently he blamed everybody else but himself.

No, HOW could any of it be his fault?
//11//

129 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:37pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Ice is slippery? Who knew?

130 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:47pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

Yeah I know, I mentioned that in my full post.

"Well I guess he was pretty heavily into the companies/rich people/organized religion is evil, so you do have a reasonable point..."

Funny how you only quoted part of it so that you you could blithely misinterprate what I said!

No such intent.

131 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:41:49pm

re: #126 reine.de.tout

Watch the video above, Reine. It'll give you chills.

Laughing and joking about hanging someone. Having a sign that says 'neuter Obama'*

It's sick.

When Jesse Jackson said, "I want to cut his nuts off", he was universally condemned. And it was all over the news. That sign didn't even get a mention.

132 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:09pm

re: #126 reine.de.tout

The thing was a rambling wreck of crazy. I couldn't really make heads or tails of what he was upset about or wanted or anything.

It was crystal clear that he hates the Catholic church, the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and the auto industry, things that are usually (except for the Catholic Church) not well thought of by those on the left side of things.

On the other hand, very anti-tax, normally an issue you hear from the right side of things.

I think he had a miserable and unsuccessful life and apparently he blamed everybody else but himself.

Yeah that's mostly what I took away from it.

I just wonder what would be the reaction if instead of targeting the IRS he targeted the Catholic Church with his plane....

133 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:11pm

re: #125 Spare O'Lake

I never advocated that any of them be falsely charged with a crime in order to intimidate them.
Get a grip.

I'm saving your defence of free speech for future reference. Just to help you out with that consistency thing.

134 Gus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:31pm

re: #116 simoom

Here's the video:

[Video]Note the "Geld Obama" (as in neuter/castrate) sign right after the hanging speech.

Is it just me or is it bizarre how this local news channel covers this event? "Strong words spoken"? And then advertising at the end how to join up?

Asotin County Oregon:

The racial makeup of the county was

95.62% White
0.19% Black or African American
1.27% Native American
0.51% Asian
0.02% Pacific Islander
0.63% from other races
1.77% from two or more races.

135 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:42:52pm

re: #126 reine.de.tout

The thing was a rambling wreck of crazy. I couldn't really make heads or tails of what he was upset about or wanted or anything.

It was crystal clear that he hates the Catholic church, the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and the auto industry, things that are usually (except for the Catholic Church) not well thought of by those on the left side of things.

On the other hand, very anti-tax, normally an issue you hear from the right side of things.

I think he had a miserable and unsuccessful life and apparently he blamed everybody else but himself.

Someone who is out of work and felt his manhood threatened because of it. Instead of seeking professional help, he decided to show us just how much of a man he really was. Sick and twisted, is the definition of psychosis.

To bad, his family and friends coudn't intervene in time. To be honest, I don't even know the warning signs --I guess they'd be the same as the suicide warning signs.

136 freetoken  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:19pm

re: #103 NJDhockeyfan

Since you asked, I decided to go and check...

From Stormfront's major thread on the topic of the man crashing his plane into the IRS, a couple of comments from one page (out of 24):

Like the man said in his manifesto, There is no peaceful solution. No matter how you paint it, the voting block doesn't work anymore! It's us against them, like it or not.
by "Whitegeek"

I think this man is a perfect example of what middle (White) class America is feeling right now. Sure we're not all at that point yet, but everybody tolerates pain differently. How much longer could he have lived feeling this way? It's terrible, I feel sorry for his family for the pain he had to endure at the hands of ZOG. I cannot imagine working for decades to build up a pension only to later have it revoked as if it's worth less than the paper it was written on. This is a sad day, and unfortunately I don't think it will be the last incident.
by StopTheZOG

That should be sufficient to answer the question.

137 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:25pm

re: #111 McSpiff

If you don't want to look at early rhetoric of various groups, that's fine. For those that do, the parallels will be there. Taking back your country from an occupying power... if it's your own countrymen is a common theme. And its one we see increasingly from the Tea Party movement, and the Palinians.

Listen, friend, I am not approving of these assholes or their tactics. But you must not allow their rants to provoke you into advocating a fascist State response against them.

138 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:43:45pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Watch the video above, Reine. It'll give you chills.

Laughing and joking about hanging someone. Having a sign that says 'neuter Obama'*

It's sick.

When Jesse Jackson said, "I want to cut his nuts off", he was universally condemned. And it was all over the news. That sign didn't even get a mention.

OK - which video? I did a search for your nic but didn't see a video in any of your posts. I saw an ice-skating fall montage posted by Killgore. Can you point me to the one you suggest I watch?

139 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:25pm

re: #131 Obdicut

For accuracy, the sign doesn't say neuter Obama, it says 'geld obama', but it means the same damn thing.

What self-satisfied assholes. They're so proud of how patriotic they are. Talking about lynching and neutering is not fucking patriotic. God damn.

The Tea Party isn't the American Revolution, it's the French Revolution.

140 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:44:59pm

re: #138 reine.de.tout

I meant the one simoom posted:

re: #116 simoom

141 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:12pm

re: #126 reine.de.tout

I think he had a miserable and unsuccessful life and apparently he blamed everybody else but himself.

Like this guy I know - another heart failure patient, on the low sodium diet. Most nights you can find him camped in front of the TV, eating from a jar of pickles. They are his favorite snack. Then he asks why the hell didn't anyone tell him about the sodium content of pickles?!?!?!

He's not long for this world unless he gets his crap together.

142 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:25pm

re: #135 ggt

Someone who is out of work and felt his manhood threatened because of it. Instead of seeking professional help, he decided to show us just how much of a man he really was. Sick and twisted, is the definition of psychosis.

To bad, his family and friends coudn't intervene in time. To be honest, I don't even know the warning signs --I guess they'd be the same as the suicide warning signs.

When I read his suicide "manifesto" or whatever it was, in my head I could just hear this guy at home, ranting about the IRS and taxes and anything else, arms waving, yelling at the TV or whatever. I mean, that's just the picture that came to my mind.

143 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:26pm

re: #139 Obdicut

For accuracy, the sign doesn't say neuter Obama, it says 'geld obama', but it means the same damn thing.

What self-satisfied assholes. They're so proud of how patriotic they are. Talking about lynching and neutering is not fucking patriotic. God damn.

The Tea Party isn't the American Revolution, it's the French Revolution.

So if they win, will they invade Russia in the winter?

144 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:45:45pm

re: #136 freetoken

What the hell is ZOG?

145 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:00pm

re: #133 iceweasel

I'm saving your defence of free speech for future reference. Just to help you out with that consistency thing.

Put it in my file, sicko.

146 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:10pm

re: #141 SteveC

Like this guy I know - another heart failure patient, on the low sodium diet. Most nights you can find him camped in front of the TV, eating from a jar of pickles. They are his favorite snack. Then he asks why the hell didn't anyone tell him about the sodium content of pickles?!?!?!

He's not long for this world unless he gets his crap together.

The sodium content is right there on the label, isn't it?
sheesh.

147 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:20pm

re: #139 Obdicut

For accuracy, the sign doesn't say neuter Obama, it says 'geld obama', but it means the same damn thing.

What self-satisfied assholes. They're so proud of how patriotic they are. Talking about lynching and neutering is not fucking patriotic. God damn.

The Tea Party isn't the American Revolution, it's the French Revolution.

Let's also bear in mind that this country does have a history of castrating black men-- before lynching them.

148 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:47pm

re: #137 Spare O'Lake

Listen, friend, I am not approving of these assholes or their tactics. But you must not allow their rants to provoke you into advocating a fascist State response against them.

Whose advocating fascist state? Doesn't our current democratic one have laws against making death threats?

149 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:46:48pm

re: #139 Obdicut

For accuracy, the sign doesn't say neuter Obama, it says 'geld obama', but it means the same damn thing.

What self-satisfied assholes. They're so proud of how patriotic they are. Talking about lynching and neutering is not fucking patriotic. God damn.

The Tea Party isn't the American Revolution, it's the French Revolution.

Hahahah crazy people on both sides, or don't you remember?

BTW, "to geld," is something you can only do to a stallion. As a horseman, I would surmise that the author of said signage believes the president to be a stallion.

150 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:01pm

ZOG = Zionist Occupied Government, but not specifically our SanfranciscoZionist, to my knowledge.

151 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:05pm

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell is ZOG?

I believe it means Zionist occupied government, or something like that.

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:15pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

When I read his suicide "manifesto" or whatever it was, in my head I could just hear this guy at home, ranting about the IRS and taxes and anything else, arms waving, yelling at the TV or whatever. I mean, that's just the picture that came to my mind.

Poster child for in-house treatment?

Men get very weird when their ability to support their family is lost, for whatever reason. The whole Career Counselor field is a great thing, IMHO. If only people would take advantage.

153 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:36pm

re: #139 Obdicut

For accuracy, the sign doesn't say neuter Obama, it says 'geld obama', but it means the same damn thing.

What self-satisfied assholes. They're so proud of how patriotic they are. Talking about lynching and neutering is not fucking patriotic. God damn.

The Tea Party isn't the American Revolution, it's the French Revolution.

Besides its not like gleding Obama would mater, he's already got two daughters.

So not only are they assholes, but they're damn stupid ones also....

154 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:47:42pm

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell is ZOG?

"Zionist Occupational Gov't"

It's how all those antisemitic white supremacist "patriots" prefer to refer to the US gov't. Protocol of the Elders of Zion type crap.

155 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:22pm

re: #139 Obdicut

And 'gelding' is a term applied to horses...so they're also calling the president an animal.

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:35pm

re: #148 jamesfirecat

Whose advocating fascist state? Doesn't our current democratic one have laws against making death threats?

Don't think so. We make laws against actions, not words (or thoughts). Barring the whole screaming fire in a crowded theatre thingy.

157 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:45pm

re: #153 jamesfirecat

Besides its not like gleding Obama would mater, he's already got two daughters.

So not only are they assholes, but they're damn stupid ones also...

Your rationale is not showing.

158 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:46pm

re: #146 reine.de.tout

The sodium content is right there on the label, isn't it?
sheesh.

Your modern American is too busy to read labels, they have things to do!

159 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:48pm

re: #140 Obdicut

I meant the one simoom posted:

re: #116 simoom

Oh, jeez!
Stupid woman.
Laughing & giggling about it!

160 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:48:48pm

re: #147 iceweasel

Yes! Sorry, I thought that was assumed. For anyone who doesn't know, castration was pretty fucking common back in the bad old days in the US, as a punishment for black men-- especially if they looked at white women and suchlike.

It was actually a fucking law in some states, for the fourth escape of a slave, that he be castrated.

Fuck this. Fucking get these goddamn people under control. Argh.

161 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:16pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

The fact that he spent years, and $40,000, trying to get the same tax exemptions for himself that are granted for churches, just screams narcissism.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:49:39pm

re: #149 imploder

Hahahah crazy people on both sides, or don't you remember?

BTW, "to geld," is something you can only do to a stallion. As a horseman, I would surmise that the author of said signage believes the president to be a stallion.

Good catch!

163 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:11pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Here we go:
(please pardon the language, it's historical.)

712 Act for the Better Ordering and Governing of Negroes and Slaves

Runaway slaves older than 16, absent for more than 20 days, received up to 40 lashes. Owners could pay the constable 20 shillings to carry out the sentence. A second escape was punished with an R being branded on the right cheek. Masters were fined 10 pounds if they failed to carry out the punishment. A third runaway attempt was punished by 40 lashes, and one of the slave's ears was cut off. A fourth escape was punished by castration. If the slave died from this procedure, the master was compensated for his value from the public treasury...

164 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:13pm

re: #134 Gus 802

The racial makeup of the county was

That was my immediate reaction as well. The sign compares Obama to a horse (an animal) and calls for castration.

165 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:14pm

I recall Presidents being referred to as Lame Duck from all sides, so I suppose Fowl are fair play, but gelding is out of order.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:20pm

re: re: #154 iceweasel

50/8127768">#150 keloyd

re: #151 Bagua

Bunch of sick fucking assholes over there. Didn't I see a picture of Ron Paul with the founder of Stormfront posted here before?

167 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:37pm

re: #137 Spare O'Lake

Listen, friend, I am not approving of these assholes or their tactics. But you must not allow their rants to provoke you into advocating a fascist State response against them.

Bit of background, just so we're on the same page. I come from a country with a very different version of freedom of speech from the United States. In fact, most of our rights are different. In fact my charter of rights and freedoms opens with the line:

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

So my country inherently recognizes the reasonable limits to all rights in a free and democratic society. I also don't live in a fascist state, so why not leave the hyperbole to those who do it better?

I have very little doubt in my mind that what she said would be illegal in my country. Wether or not the Crown would choice to prosecute is an entirely different matter. My question to you would be, what could she have said on that stage that in your mind would have been illegally? Can any speech be criminally prosecuted? Only if she gave specific dates and times?

168 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:38pm

re: #151 Bagua

I believe it means Zionist occupied government, or something like that.

So in other words, it's the fault of THE JEWS!

//

169 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:46pm

re: #145 Spare O'Lake

Hey, you're the 'sicko' who appears to have no problem with calling for the lynching of our elected representatives. I suspect there's a double standard in play.

I will be more than delighted to see a vigorous defence of the First Amendment become a running theme for you. Start here.

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:50:47pm

re: #139 Obdicut

For accuracy, the sign doesn't say neuter Obama, it says 'geld obama', but it means the same damn thing.

What self-satisfied assholes. They're so proud of how patriotic they are. Talking about lynching and neutering is not fucking patriotic. God damn.

The Tea Party isn't the American Revolution, it's the French Revolution.

Actually, it doesn't mean the same thing. They might argue that 'neuter' means 'neutralize'. 'Geld' is extremely clear.

171 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:18pm

So, I take the day off from the computer and news and what do I find when I come back? Teabaggers going 9/11 on government buildings with planes. And news reporters saying it was a crime and not an act of terrorism.

Did somebody slip me something in my chai when I woke up? I feel all sick and disoriented.

172 captdiggs  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:28pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

This story pisses me off as few have. Openly calling for murder is a dangerous new low for the teabaggers. The woman who called for this lynching needs to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison. Washington state needs to land on talk like this with both feet.

The leftwing moonbats called for Bush to be hung and shot for eight years.
Nearly every anti war, anti-Israel, anti-bush rally had plenty of moonbats with signs calling for a presidential assassination.
The only difference is that the left leaning media rarely, if ever, noted it.
[Link: www.binscorner.com...]

173 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:30pm

re: #161 jaunte

The fact that he spent years, and $40,000, trying to get the same tax exemptions for himself that are granted for churches, just screams narcissism.

twisted indeed....OTOH churches have a pretty sweet deal, you gotta admit

174 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:51:52pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

True. Good point.

Boy, I was getting sleepy, now I'm all mad-awake.

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Watch the video Simoom posted. It's nearly unbelievable.

175 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:01pm

re: #161 jaunte

The fact that he spent years, and $40,000, trying to get the same tax exemptions for himself that are granted for churches, just screams narcissism.

yes, it does! Absolutely great point!

He also spent a lot of time and energy studying the tax code, apparently, and figuring how to get around it.

176 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:03pm

re: #156 ggt

Don't think so. We make laws against actions, not words (or thoughts). Barring the whole screaming fire in a crowded theatre thingy.

Actually, incitement to violence is not protected speech. A call to cut Obama's figurative nuts off is (low class, inarticulate) protected under the 1st Amendment. A call to cut actually Obama's nuts off, or have others hanged - not protected.

It looks pretty clear that today's craziness is in poor taste, but in the first category.

177 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:15pm

re: #168 SteveC

So in other words, it's the fault of THE JEWS!

//

No need for the //, they are very open about that.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:34pm

re: #150 keloyd

ZOG = Zionist Occupied Government, but not specifically our SanfranciscoZionist, to my knowledge.

I am a humble cog in a sinister power mightier than any of you know. Except for Ludwig of course.

///hahahahahha

179 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:38pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

So, I take the day off from the computer and news and what do I find when I come back? Teabaggers going 9/11 on government buildings with planes. And news reporters saying it was a crime and not an act of terrorism.

Did somebody slip me something in my chai when I woke up? I feel all sick and disoriented.

There is no proof that this guy was associated with that movement...or did I miss something in the coverage?

180 Gus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:42pm

re: #164 simoom

That was my immediate reaction as well. The sign compares Obama to a horse (an animal) and calls for castration.

A bunch of empty headed people. I watched the video earlier and noticed that one of the people interviewed goes on to speak about "what's going on in our schools." As we know, this TP movement is more than just spending and taxes. To me it is also a Dominionist movement of sorts.

181 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:42pm

re: #156 ggt

Don't think so. We make laws against actions, not words (or thoughts). Barring the whole screaming fire in a crowded theatre thingy.

Sorry, but I learned this fact from watching the Simpsons....

[Link: www.maldef.org...]


Its not legal to make Death Threats.

182 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:54pm

re: #148 jamesfirecat

Whose advocating fascist state? Doesn't our current democratic one have laws against making death threats?

Did you forget that you admitted upthread at #68 that you did not believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she intended to provoke others to actually hang Murray, yet you went on to advocate charging and trying her anyways just so she would never do this again?
HELLO, MCFLY?

183 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:52:55pm

re: #157 imploder

Your rationale is not showing.

Am I wrong?

184 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:25pm

re: #173 albusteve

Sure, but they have big organizations, have been working for centuries, and do things not just for themselves. So he was maybe a little overoptimistic.

185 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:37pm

re: #179 imploder

There is no proof that this guy was associated with that movement...or did I miss something in the coverage?

It's all part of the same nexus.

186 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:52pm

Lindsey Vonn crashed at the super combine...oh well a Gold in the Downjill is just really cool....American chicks can ski!

187 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:53:58pm

re: #179 imploder

There is no proof that this guy was associated with that movement...or did I miss something in the coverage?

True...there is no proof he's involved with the teabaggers, but they are claiming him as some kind of hero...at least on facebook...I don't know about the twittersphere or Fox news...I don't do those sites.

188 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:22pm

re: #183 jamesfirecat

Am I wrong?

What I understood was that it was ok in your mind to "geld" the president because he has previously procreated...

189 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:50pm

re: #179 imploder

There is no proof that this guy was associated with that movement...or did I miss something in the coverage?

Nah, so far it seems like he was an equal opportunity nutter. Sort of like xelA senoJ.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:54:58pm

re: #186 albusteve

Lindsey Vonn crashed at the super combine...oh well a Gold in the Downjill is just really cool...American chicks can ski!

And they are very easy on the eyes.

191 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:03pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Did somebody slip me something in my chai when I woke up? I feel all sick and disoriented.

That is the Roast Beef that is way past its Freshness Date talking. Throw that stuff away!

192 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:06pm

re: #182 Spare O'Lake

Did you forget that you admitted upthread at #68 that you did not believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she intended to provoke others to actually hang Murray, yet you went on to advocate charging and trying her anyways just so she would never do this again?
HELLO, MCFLY?

I said "maybe not"

That means I not sure of a conviction, but I'm not sure she'd walk either.

I think having one of these crazies get their ears pinned pack by a court case would be good for America though, even if the verdict is Non Guilty...

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:20pm

re: #167 McSpiff

So my country inherently recognizes the reasonable limits to all rights in a free and democratic society. I also don't live in a fascist state, so why not leave the hyperbole to those who do it better?

I have very little doubt in my mind that what she said would be illegal in my country. Wether or not the Crown would choice to prosecute is an entirely different matter. My question to you would be, what could she have said on that stage that in your mind would have been illegally? Can any speech be criminally prosecuted? Only if she gave specific dates and times?

Again, I refer to the Supreme Court Case in which (help me, Oliver Wendell Holmes?) said that that the right to free speech does not include yelling "fire in a crowded theater" in which there was no fire. Meaning, that the speech must incite immediate, eminent danger.

It would be very hard to prosecute this women in court. A defense lawyer would have plenty of precedent to defend her. One has to remember that those who actually commit the crime would have to be proven to be acting on a will other than their own. If they acted of their own free will and it can be shown that her speech had little impact, it would be difficult to prosecute her.

They've been trying it with popular music, video games etc and I think the most that has happened is that a "violent" label must be on the product when it is sold.

I am sure there are other scholarly lizards that can explain this much, much better than I can.

194 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:25pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

So, I take the day off from the computer and news and what do I find when I come back? Teabaggers going 9/11 on government buildings with planes. And news reporters saying it was a crime and not an act of terrorism.

Did somebody slip me something in my chai when I woke up? I feel all sick and disoriented.

Lots of tea-party types seem to like this guy.

And I've seen a lot of assumptions that he must have been a "teabagger".

But his crazy suicide letter includes hatred for the auto industry, pharmaceutical companies, health insurance companies, etc. - that doesn't sound so much like a teabagger to me.

The anti-tax part does.

I think they guy was just seriously deranged.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:27pm

re: #156 ggt

Don't think so. We make laws against actions, not words (or thoughts). Barring the whole screaming fire in a crowded theatre thingy.

I don't know if there's any legal recourse here. I assume the Senator's office has lawyers on-staff who can sort that part out.

It's still positively disgusting.

196 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #188 imploder

What I understood was that it was ok in your mind to "geld" the president because he has previously procreated...

No, I'm saying I don't see the point of shouting that we need to geld someone when they already have kids....

197 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #145 Spare O'Lake

Put it in my file, sicko.

It's in there right next to this:

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:55:58pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Yes! Sorry, I thought that was assumed. For anyone who doesn't know, castration was pretty fucking common back in the bad old days in the US, as a punishment for black men-- especially if they looked at white women and suchlike.

It was actually a fucking law in some states, for the fourth escape of a slave, that he be castrated.

Fuck this. Fucking get these goddamn people under control. Argh.

Emmett Till was castrated.

199 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:07pm

re: #145 Spare O'Lake

Put it in my file, sicko.

I'm not even going to ask what deranged logic you would try to justify that insult with, creep.

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:34pm

re: #180 Gus 802

A bunch of empty headed people. I watched the video earlier and noticed that one of the people interviewed goes on to speak about "what's going on in our schools." As we know, this TP movement is more than just spending and taxes. To me it is also a Dominionist movement of sorts.

It's the Big Reactionary Tent.

201 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:42pm

re: #186 albusteve

Lindsey Vonn crashed at the super combine...oh well a Gold in the Downjill is just really cool...American chicks can ski!

Aw, shit! I can't catch them when they are on foot!

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:50pm

re: #165 Bagua

I recall Presidents being referred to as Lame Duck from all sides, so I suppose Fowl are fair play, but gelding is out of order.

I always assumed the duck was lame from natural causes, not because someone had broken its leg.

203 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:56:53pm

re: #182 Spare O'Lake

Did you forget that you admitted upthread at #68 that you did not believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she intended to provoke others to actually hang Murray, yet you went on to advocate charging and trying her anyways just so she would never do this again?
HELLO, MCFLY?

whoops!

204 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:57:34pm

re: #192 jamesfirecat

I said "maybe not"

That means I not sure of a conviction, but I'm not sure she'd walk either.

I think having one of these crazies get their ears pinned pack by a court case would be good for America though, even if the verdict is Non Guilty...

Quite Concur.

205 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:57:42pm

re: #196 jamesfirecat

No, I'm saying I don't see the point of shouting that we need to geld someone when they already have kids...

hahahaha you make me laugh. Why assign any rationale to that fact at all? It's ludicrous!

206 Gus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

It's the Big Reactionary Tent.

Punch drunk on the latest outrage. In all my years I've never seen anything like this.

207 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:18pm

re: #203 albusteve

whoops!

See my 192

I never said I knew for a fact that the woman would get off non guilty, onlyt that I wasn't sure of conviction.

208 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:19pm

re: #193 ggt

Again, I refer to the Supreme Court Case in which (help me, Oliver Wendell Holmes?) said that that the right to free speech does not include yelling "fire in a crowded theater" in which there was no fire. Meaning, that the speech must incite immediate, eminent danger.

That is actually a terrible case to use, since it was a definite case of the crushing of political free speech. The point is good, the case was terrible.
It held that publishing and distributing leaflets advising men to protest the draft legally and assert their rights against the draft legally.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sorry to sidebar you with that.

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:58:49pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if there's any legal recourse here. I assume the Senator's office has lawyers on-staff who can sort that part out.

It's still positively disgusting.

As Larry Flynt said: "There is no law against bad taste."

210 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:01pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

I doubt he is a teabagger... people who are teabaggers are damn proud of it. I think he was apolitical in the sense that he hated everyone equally.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:26pm

The Canada/Sweden hockey game thriller was fun to watch.

212 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:28pm

re: #206 Gus 802

I saw something similar during the Clinton admin., but not on this scale of bat-shattery.

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:32pm

re: #196 jamesfirecat

No, I'm saying I don't see the point of shouting that we need to geld someone when they already have kids...

Are you really a guy?

That sounds like something a woman would say.

214 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:41pm

re: #210 jeremy0114

I doubt he is a teabagger... people who are teabaggers are damn proud of it. I think he was apolitical in the sense that he hated everyone equally.

He didn't like to pay his taxes, that is evident.

215 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:59:59pm

re: #184 jaunte

Sure, but they have big organizations, have been working for centuries, and do things not just for themselves. So he was maybe a little overoptimistic.

churches overran my hometown village....5 or 6 and they ate up property like a Wamart...property taxes skyrocketed and Sunday was anything but peaceful...people were very upset...cornfields and meadows paved over, gaudy architecture etc

216 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:09pm

re: #167 McSpiff

So my country inherently recognizes the reasonable limits to all rights in a free and democratic society. I also don't live in a fascist state, so why not leave the hyperbole to those who do it better?

I have very little doubt in my mind that what she said would be illegal in my country. Wether or not the Crown would choice to prosecute is an entirely different matter. My question to you would be, what could she have said on that stage that in your mind would have been illegally? Can any speech be criminally prosecuted? Only if she gave specific dates and times?

Sorry to disappoint but I too am Canadian. I do not believe her words are a crime in Canada, unless you believe that she actually intended others to literally hang the political opponent. Her explanation was in my view sufficient to give her a pass from a criminal charge.
Having said that, I believe her words were disgusting and politically idiotic.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:14pm

re: #172 captdiggs

The leftwing moonbats called for Bush to be hung and shot for eight years.
Nearly every anti war, anti-Israel, anti-bush rally had plenty of moonbats with signs calling for a presidential assassination.
The only difference is that the left leaning media rarely, if ever, noted it.
[Link: www.binscorner.com...]

No, there's another difference, which is that people here foamed at the mouth, and called those people out.

I see a double standard here. I do NOT imagine that some of the people who seem so blase about this speech would consider it so harmless and a mere example of free speech at work would feel the same if someone at Michael Lerner's little Progressive Spiritual Network get-together had called for the execution of Scott Brown. This is just a guess.

218 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:19pm

re: #214 imploder

He didn't like to pay his taxes, that is evident.

Who does?

219 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:31pm

re: #193 ggt

Again, I refer to the Supreme Court Case in which (help me, Oliver Wendell Holmes?) said that that the right to free speech does not include yelling "fire in a crowded theater" in which there was no fire. Meaning, that the speech must incite immediate, eminent danger.

It would be very hard to prosecute this women in court. A defense lawyer would have plenty of precedent to defend her. One has to remember that those who actually commit the crime would have to be proven to be acting on a will other than their own. If they acted of their own free will and it can be shown that her speech had little impact, it would be difficult to prosecute her.

That's right. There have been some successful (civil, i think) suits brought under claims that speech incited violence, but you need a violent act, basically. This was the strategy the SPLC eventually was able to use to bankrupt the Klan in the 80's, but only because they were able to show that people at a certain rally(more than one, actually), told to go out and kill a black person, went and acted on that speech.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:37pm

re: #215 albusteve

Locusts.

221 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:42pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

The Canada/Sweden hockey game thriller was fun to watch.

Did the Canucks win? I hope so, since I'd like them to win the silver medal.

222 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:46pm
223 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:00:59pm

re: #213 ggt

Are you really a guy?

That sounds like something a woman would say.

Yes I'm a guy.

Really this entire thing suddenly became "clear" to me once I found out that they often "gelded" black people before they lynched them though....

224 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:25pm

re: #210 jeremy0114

I doubt he is a teabagger... people who are teabaggers are damn proud of it. I think he was apolitical in the sense that he hated everyone equally.

Agreed. Besides, teabaggers look at guys like Stack and just self-gratify while thinking about him. They're all talk, and a cardboard sign with a catchy racial slur against the president.

225 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:33pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

So, I take the day off from the computer and news and what do I find when I come back? Teabaggers going 9/11 on government buildings with planes. And news reporters saying it was a crime and not an act of terrorism.

Did somebody slip me something in my chai when I woke up? I feel all sick and disoriented.

World Gone Crazy

226 keloyd  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:44pm

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Almost any girl looks good in ski attire. There's a less-is-more thing going on there. All the interesting bits and curvature that are covered up for the weather get filled in by the imagination.

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:01:48pm

re: #208 Obdicut

That is actually a terrible case to use, since it was a definite case of the crushing of political free speech. The point is good, the case was terrible.
It held that publishing and distributing leaflets advising men to protest the draft legally and assert their rights against the draft legally.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sorry to sidebar you with that.

No problem, but it is what I remember the best. It was the judges statement not the actual case I was thinking about.

228 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:01pm

re: #214 imploder

That doesnt make him a teabagger.

229 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:11pm

re: #216 Spare O'Lake

Sorry to disappoint but I too am Canadian.

Don't sweat it. That kind of revelation always disappoints.
/kidding, I love my brothers and sisters to the north

230 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:21pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Locusts.

well hmmm...no comment

231 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:37pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Did the Canucks win? I hope so, since I'd like them to win the silver medal.

The were tied at regulation, tied after overtime, and went to a shootout. Canada wins the shootout and the game. Martin Brodeur was goalie for Canada tonight.

232 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:48pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Who does?

I don't like to pay them, but I do. BTW the IRS is considering hiring me so I have to suffer through, "examinations," that cover the last three tax years.

Examination is the IRS's new word for audit.

233 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:53pm

re: #192 jamesfirecat

I think having one of these crazies get their ears pinned pack by a court case would be good for America though, even if the verdict is Non Guilty...

Fascist.

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:02:54pm

re: #214 imploder

He didn't like to pay his taxes, that is evident.

Who does? But we do it because we understand the value of doing so. I like having paved roads and Marines.

235 Gus  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:12pm

re: #212 Slumbering Behemoth

I saw something similar during the Clinton admin., but not on this scale of bat-shattery.

Yeah, I remember that. It wasn't as bad as this now but I do remember growing tired of that as well. The intensity is amplified because there is the racial component.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:14pm

re: #201 SteveC

Aw, shit! I can't catch them when they are on foot!

Stand at the finish line with hot cocoa.

237 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:16pm

re: #215 albusteve

churches overran my hometown village...5 or 6 and they ate up property like a Wamart...property taxes skyrocketed and Sunday was anything but peaceful...people were very upset...cornfields and meadows paved over, gaudy architecture etc


Sounds like they got way out of balance.

238 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:31pm

re: #232 imploder

I don't like to pay them, but I do. BTW the IRS is considering hiring me so I have to suffer through, "examinations," that cover the last three tax years.

Examination is the IRS's new word for audit.

Proctologists use that word too.
Just saying...

239 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:31pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

I always assumed the duck was lame from natural causes, not because someone had broken its leg.

The Ruptured Duck

Commanded by the author of 30 Seconds over Tokyo; participated in the Doolittle Raid

240 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:03:54pm

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

Fascist.

Hag.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:02pm

re: #209 ggt

As Larry Flynt said: "There is no law against bad taste."

And Larry Flynt profited mightily by that....

242 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:02pm

re: #222 albusteve

forget the law...I'd take her out myself

No. When someone wants to take the law into her own hands, the needed response is to have her judged. We need follow the law in taking her down.

243 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:12pm

re: #232 imploder

I don't like to pay them, but I do. BTW the IRS is considering hiring me so I have to suffer through, "examinations," that cover the last three tax years.

Examination is the IRS's new word for audit.

you'd actually work for those heathen thieves?....legal organized criminals

244 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:17pm

re: #240 jamesfirecat

Hag.

Joke from Hot Fuzz before anyone gets upset.

245 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:19pm

re: #227 ggt

I know. And it's a valid sentiment-- though subverted by Christopher Hitchens, here:

246 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:26pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Lots of tea-party types seem to like this guy.

And I've seen a lot of assumptions that he must have been a "teabagger".

But his crazy suicide letter includes hatred for the auto industry, pharmaceutical companies, health insurance companies, etc. - that doesn't sound so much like a teabagger to me.

The anti-tax part does.

I think they guy was just seriously deranged.

The issue is now beyond what was going on inside his head, and moved to what the fuck is going on in the heads of the teabaggers who want to own this as an expression of righteous wingnut anger and 'frustration'. As was the newly elected GOP rep Scott Brown. Absolutely disgusting.

247 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:28pm

re: #226 keloyd

Almost any girl looks good in ski attire. There's a less-is-more thing going on there. All the interesting bits and curvature that are covered up for the weather get filled in by the imagination.

ESPN the Mag has some nice photos of the girls without all the ski attire. Trust me, they are in fine shape.

248 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:33pm

re: #224 darthstar

I for the life of me can not understand why ANYONE would want to align themselves with a shithead like this... Effin crazy...

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:43pm

re: #219 iceweasel

That's right. There have been some successful (civil, i think) suits brought under claims that speech incited violence, but you need a violent act, basically. This was the strategy the SPLC eventually was able to use to bankrupt the Klan in the 80's, but only because they were able to show that people at a certain rally(more than one, actually), told to go out and kill a black person, went and acted on that speech.

(again, my brain) There is that white supremicist guy who wrote the book (???). They've been trying to get him for years, but can't connect the young white whacko's with him in any meaningful way. Yet, it is so obvious he is inciting these young men to murder.

Help me here.

250 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:04:46pm

re: #244 jamesfirecat

Joke from Hot Fuzz before anyone gets upset.

If you have to explain it...

251 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

You deeply disappoint me.

252 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:33pm

re: #243 albusteve

you'd actually work for those heathen thieves?...legal organized criminals

Hell yeah. They are going to give me 27 weeks of law enforcement training at Glynco, GA, a shield and a gun. All because I have an MBA and I speak Spanish. Pay is not bad, either.

253 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:37pm

re: #173 albusteve

twisted indeed...OTOH churches have a pretty sweet deal, you gotta admit

My church organizes 4 Habitat for Humanity home building efforts a year, locally.

We send money to a small poor village in Mexico.

We send money to new parishes in Eastern Europe.

We sponsor 2 prison retreats a year.

We collect and distribute Christmas gifts and food to the needy.

We run a soup kitchen, manned primarily by volunteers that serve 2 meals a day to the need. At Christmas and Thanksgiving, that includes those who have food but want to visit with extended family and don't have room in their homes for that visit.

I could go on.

Churches may get a sweet deal.
But they give a lot back to the communities where they are located.

254 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:05:58pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Who does?

I do! I always pay my taxes (though right now I've got about 3k owing to California that I've got to come up with...hoping my federal return covers it). Anyway, I see taxes as rent for living in this beautiful country...I just prefer they not be spent waging wars on other countries. Schools, yes. Wars, no. Police, fire, health care, yes. Subsidizing oil companies, no. I'm weird that way.

255 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:10pm

re: #252 imploder

Stay safe. Try to avoid cynicism. Stay moral.

256 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:10pm

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

Fascist.

if she is within her rights, then there is no option there, pretty simple...free speech trumps her threat anyway...but I would still mop the floor with the moron in the court of public opinion

257 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:13pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Stand at the finish line with hot cocoa.

*Scribbles that advice down* Thanks!

258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:13pm

re: #223 jamesfirecat

Yes I'm a guy.

Really this entire thing suddenly became "clear" to me once I found out that they often "gelded" black people before they lynched them though...

Glad you are hear to learn. Wonder how many of the teabaggers etc are ignorant of our history as well.

Damn, didnt' anyone watch ROOT's when it aired in the 70's?

259 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:16pm

re: #232 imploder

I don't like to pay them, but I do. BTW the IRS is considering hiring me so I have to suffer through, "examinations," that cover the last three tax years.

Examination is the IRS's new word for audit.

I applied last year. I took the test online and passed, then waited for months before they sent me a letter and said thanks, but no thanks.

260 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:25pm

re: #246 Jimmah

The issue is now beyond what was going on inside his head, and moved to what the fuck is going on in the heads of the teabaggers who want to own this as an expression of righteous wingnut anger and 'frustration'. As was the newly elected GOP rep Scott Brown. Absolutely disgusting.

Exactly right.

261 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:31pm

re: #250 Floral Giraffe

If you have to explain it...

If you do explain it you don't get in trouble!

Tis better to err on the side of caution at times...

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:36pm

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

You deeply disappoint me.

Wait, Dark Falcon is Canadian too?
/sorry, I'll stop

263 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:41pm

re: #214 imploder

He didn't like to pay his taxes, that is evident.

He also had a deep and abiding hatred for the auto industry, pharmaceutical companies, health insurance companies, our system of health care in general, and the Catholic Church. That was also evident.

264 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:06:55pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Yes! Sorry, I thought that was assumed. For anyone who doesn't know, castration was pretty fucking common back in the bad old days in the US, as a punishment for black men-- especially if they looked at white women and suchlike.

It was actually a fucking law in some states, for the fourth escape of a slave, that he be castrated.

Fuck this. Fucking get these goddamn people under control. Argh.

You might enjoy Harry Turtledove's TL-191 alternate history series, in which the Confederacy wins the Civil War and becomes an independent country but comes to very serious grief in the 1940s. It is 13 volumes, beginning with How Few Remain (set in the 1880s) and ending with In at the Death.
*SPOILER ALERT*


In the latter, the Nazi-style Confederate government is finally defeated and its leaders brought to justice in a somewhat rough and ready fashion. The US Army in the series is not the army of the real world 1944, however. They more closely resemble the Red Army of that period and southern racists suffer accordingly.

265 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:00pm

re: #263 reine.de.tout

And possibly pianos.

266 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:03pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

Not all, though. The megachurches suck money up like a hoover out of the places they're in.

I respect the charities of churches. But not every church has them.

267 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:07:45pm

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

No. When someone wants to take the law into her own hands, the needed response is to have her judged. We need follow the law in taking her down.

oh please...if she did not break a law there is nothing there...is she in fact taking the law into her own hands?...what's the fucking law say?

268 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:06pm

re: #264 Shiplord Kirel

Huh. Thanks. Did not know about that one. I'll have to give it a shot.

269 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:08pm

re: #246 Jimmah

The issue is now beyond what was going on inside his head, and moved to what the fuck is going on in the heads of the teabaggers who want to own this as an expression of righteous wingnut anger and 'frustration'. As was the newly elected GOP rep Scott Brown. Absolutely disgusting.

Agreed!
(hell - I agreed with Cordell today and now you. The world as I knew it must be ending).

270 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:26pm

re: #243 albusteve

you'd actually work for those heathen thieves?...legal organized criminals

re: #252 imploder

Hell yeah. They are going to give me 27 weeks of law enforcement training at Glynco, GA, a shield and a gun. All because I have an MBA and I speak Spanish. Pay is not bad, either.

.... and a 15% professional courtesy discount!

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:36pm

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

Fascist.

Not facist, but ignorant.

We don't use our courts for political purposes --in theory anyway. This is one of the topics those in the center talked about a while back. Judges legislating from the bench -- etc.

Another reason the KSM civil/criminal trial was so unpopular --kangaroo court for political reasons.

272 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:08:40pm

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

You deeply disappoint me.

Why so?

273 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:01pm

re: #254 darthstar

I do! I always pay my taxes (though right now I've got about 3k owing to California that I've got to come up with...hoping my federal return covers it). Anyway, I see taxes as rent for living in this beautiful country...I just prefer they not be spent waging wars on other countries. Schools, yes. Wars, no. Police, fire, health care, yes. Subsidizing oil companies, no. I'm weird that way.

We don't start wars, we finish them. If the other countries would behave themselves our military would have very little to do.

274 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:08pm

re: #256 albusteve

if she is within her rights, then there is no option there, pretty simple...free speech trumps her threat anyway...but I would still mop the floor with the moron in the court of public opinion

Um. No.

Free speech doesn't cover death threats.

See for example....

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

Come on folks this is stuff you can learn watching the Simpsons!

275 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:11pm

re: #266 Obdicut

Not all, though. The megachurches suck money up like a hoover out of the places they're in.

I respect the charities of churches. But not every church has them.

Good point.
Jimmy Swaggart's church complex is about a mile from my house.
It is obscene.

276 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:38pm

re: #275 reine.de.tout

Good point.
Jimmy Swaggart's church complex is about a mile from my house.
It is obscene.

Is he still around?

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:45pm

re: #265 jaunte

And possibly pianos.

And rainbows, especially the way they try to sneak up your leg when you're not looking.

278 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:49pm

re: #258 ggt

Glad you are hear to learn. Wonder how many of the teabaggers etc are ignorant of our history as well.

Damn, didnt' anyone watch ROOT's when it aired in the 70's?

Roots was fiction.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:09:55pm

re: #243 albusteve

you'd actually work for those heathen thieves?...legal organized criminals

REVENUER!!!!!

280 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:06pm

re: #256 albusteve

if she is within her rights, then there is no option there, pretty simple...free speech trumps her threat anyway...but I would still mop the floor with the moron in the court of public opinion

Right, and don't give the loon a constitutional martyr's mantle.

281 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:16pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

Now I'm lost...

282 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:18pm

re: #252 imploder

Hell yeah. They are going to give me 27 weeks of law enforcement training at Glynco, GA, a shield and a gun. All because I have an MBA and I speak Spanish. Pay is not bad, either.

I'm just stealing your thunder...I hate those guys, but that's non of your affair....congratulations and good luck...may the Force be with you and don't let a plane crash into you

283 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:24pm

re: #223 jamesfirecat

Yes I'm a guy.

Really this entire thing suddenly became "clear" to me once I found out that they often "gelded" black people before they lynched them though...

Lynching often involved humiliation, beating, whipping, torture, and castration.

Statistics compiled by the N.A.A.C.P. in 1921 tell the gruesome toll of murder committed in the name of justice. Between the years 1889 through 1918, at least 3,224 people were lynched in America. Of that number 2,522 were black. The figures vary depending on the source. The Cleveland Gazette reported in 1903 that "There were 3,233 lynchings, in one form or another, in this country in the twenty-one years ending January 1, 1903" (May 16, 1903). The Tuskegee Institute chronicled over 4,000 lynchings during a similar period. In any account though, African Americans suffered the brunt of mob violence. The driving force for this unprecedented level of mob violence was mostly racism.

It didn't stop in 1918, either.
PS. Google James Irwin or Jesse Washington if you have a strong stomach. Image search OFF.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

284 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:25pm
285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:10:29pm

re: #245 Obdicut

I know. And it's a valid sentiment-- though subverted by Christopher Hitchens, here:


[Video]

Does your brain ever take a break?

:)

286 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:04pm

re: #270 SteveC

... and a 15% professional courtesy discount!

hahah I wish...but, I don't know if I will meet the IRS' physical fitness requirements (these made me laugh a little)

cover 300 yards in 82 seconds
12 inch vertical jump
bench press half body weight up to 90 lbs (one rep)

oh my

287 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:08pm

Has anyone seen the pictures of the strangely Lovecraftian CPAC "Obama Job Creation Fail Whale":
[Link: wonkette.com...]
[Link: wonkette.com...]

I guess it's good for a laugh at least :P.

288 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:11:37pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

We don't start wars, we finish them. If the other countries would behave themselves our military would have very little to do.

You can't finish a war you started (Iraq, for example). The only way to finish a war is to kill everyone on the other side. Everyone. You can 'end' a war by either agreeing with the other side to stop fighting (a treaty, for example, or a surrender), but the invading country does not have the decision as to whether the war ends or not...except by giving up and leaving. Just a simple, yet often overlooked, fact.

289 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:23pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

Is he still around?

Yes.
He's had to sell most of the property, which was HUGE.
He was building a Bible College when he was caught with prostitute #2, and lost enrollment. Many of the buildings have been purchased and finished by others; some are not finished at all, and that's been a long time ago.

He has a fleet of busses and the "worship center" where he manages to cry a few tears about something every Sunday.

290 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:27pm

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

You deeply disappoint me.

I'd take that as a compliment, DF.

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:43pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

My church organizes 4 Habitat for Humanity home building efforts a year, locally.

We send money to a small poor village in Mexico.

We send money to new parishes in Eastern Europe.

We sponsor 2 prison retreats a year.

We collect and distribute Christmas gifts and food to the needy.

We run a soup kitchen, manned primarily by volunteers that serve 2 meals a day to the need. At Christmas and Thanksgiving, that includes those who have food but want to visit with extended family and don't have room in their homes for that visit.

I could go on.

Churches may get a sweet deal.
But they give a lot back to the communities where they are located.

both the nun and the priest at my church have advanced degrees, own nothing, work 7 days a week, have to pay for their own health insurance and retirement AND make an appalling low salary.

They'd earn even less if the Church had to pay taxes.

I know it can be different in some of the Mega Churches.

292 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:47pm

re: #287 simoom

Has anyone seen the pictures of the strangely Lovecraftian CPAC "Obama Job Creation Fail Whale":
[Link: wonkette.com...]
[Link: wonkette.com...]

I guess it's good for a laugh at least :P.

Some of the comments are really funny.

293 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:12:51pm

re: #285 ggt

Does your brain ever take a break?

:)

Obdi has been here all day.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:13:45pm

re: #288 darthstar

You can't finish a war you started (Iraq, for example). The only way to finish a war is to kill everyone on the other side. Everyone. You can 'end' a war by either agreeing with the other side to stop fighting (a treaty, for example, or a surrender), but the invading country does not have the decision as to whether the war ends or not...except by giving up and leaving. Just a simple, yet often overlooked, fact.

Then how did we win WWII? We invaded Germany IIRC.

295 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:03pm

re: #249 ggt

(again, my brain) There is that white supremicist guy who wrote the book (???). They've been trying to get him for years, but can't connect the young white whacko's with him in any meaningful way. Yet, it is so obvious he is inciting these young men to murder.

Help me here.

That's right-- this description could fit a few folks, actually. I'll see what I can find.

OT: SPLC today:
IRS Long a Target of Antigovernment Extremists

Since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has documented 75 domestic terrorist plots, most of which involved individuals with extreme antigovernment views. One of the plots, if carried out, would have resulted in the deaths of some 30,000 people.

296 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:06pm

re: #285 ggt

I was born with an unusual memory. I can remember nearly anything I've ever read, if not text-perfect then at least so I can sum it up, and my auditory memory for significant things, like that Hitchens piece, is only slightly less.

My brothers made up elaborate rules for Trivial Pursuit to try to beat me when we were kids.

297 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:36pm

re: #291 ggt

Mega church my exwife wanted to go to was big, impressive, and the pastor made over 200k per year, with the associate pastors well into the hundreds themselves... And they stood up there every sunday and begged for more money... Made me sick.

298 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:38pm

re: #291 ggt

both the nun and the priest at my church have advanced degrees, own nothing, work 7 days a week, have to pay for their own health insurance and retirement AND make an appalling low salary.

They'd earn even less if the Church had to pay taxes.

I know it can be different in some of the Mega Churches.

We take a collection once or twice a year for the religious retirement fund. You are right - what they make is appallingly low.

299 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:14:59pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

My fiancee is away at CalTech, so I'm all moody and have tons of nervous energy I normally spend on her.

300 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:01pm

re: #289 reine.de.tout

Yes.
He's had to sell most of the property, which was HUGE.
He was building a Bible College when he was caught with prostitute #2, and lost enrollment. Many of the buildings have been purchased and finished by others; some are not finished at all, and that's been a long time ago.

He has a fleet of busses and the "worship center" where he manages to cry a few tears about something every Sunday.

Ugh. I don't recall prostitute #2, must be a serial offender!

301 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:07pm

re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, Dark Falcon is Canadian too?
/sorry, I'll stop

I am a Canadian who happens to believe that the US Constitution is magnificent, and must be upheld at all costs. Any talk of charging political opponents with crimes, unless they are clearly guilty, smacks of fascism. It's something I would expect to hear from a Eurofascist or an Islamofascist, but not here.

302 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:10pm

re: #282 albusteve

Thanks, nice of you to say. I have a couple more flaming hoops to jump through. We'll see. I have a skills assessment and physical fitness test on 2 Mar.

Maybe flaming hoops was a bad analogy...

303 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:16pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

My church organizes 4 Habitat for Humanity home building efforts a year, locally.

We send money to a small poor village in Mexico.

We send money to new parishes in Eastern Europe.

We sponsor 2 prison retreats a year.

We collect and distribute Christmas gifts and food to the needy.

We run a soup kitchen, manned primarily by volunteers that serve 2 meals a day to the need. At Christmas and Thanksgiving, that includes those who have food but want to visit with extended family and don't have room in their homes for that visit.

I could go on.

Churches may get a sweet deal.
But they give a lot back to the communities where they are located.

I know....somewhere it turns the corner and heads for Falwell Town...not always and I don't want to sound unfair...I got married a little Norman Rockwell Methodist church up there....before they tripled their land and built all kinds of accessory facilities and ruined the whole country scene

304 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:24pm

re: #286 imploder

hahah I wish...but, I don't know if I will meet the IRS' physical fitness requirements (these made me laugh a little)

cover 300 yards in 82 seconds
12 inch vertical jump
bench press half body weight up to 90 lbs (one rep)

oh my

Until the day she retired my aunt (the Vietnam Combat Nurse) used to worry about the physical.... always said she got in and out of Vietnam TWICE without being hurt, didn't that count for anything?

305 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:26pm

Well, dammit.

It appears that Joe Stack (apparent IRS kamikaze pilot) was a musician as well, and had made a music video.

Raw Story obtains Austin suicide bomber’s music video

306 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:42pm

re: #284 Racer X

Creepy spider is watching you.

Creepier spider is watching creepy spider (a friend of mine, Jeremy Miller, discovered this species in Madagascar a couple of years ago. The photo here in National Geographic is actually upside down. The spider lives inverted because of its long neck, and yes, it eats other spiders.)

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:15:48pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Roots was fiction.

Not entirely. The slave ship scenes, the treatment of the field hands and the runaway--I'd say rather accurate. No it wasn't Alex Haley's actual family history, but a good history lesson in many ways.

308 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:00pm

re: #288 darthstar

the invading country does not have the decision as to whether the war ends or not...except by giving up and leaving. Just a simple, yet often overlooked, fact.

I don't think that's historically accurate.

309 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:27pm

Isn't Olympic Skating the weirdest sport in the world?
In what other sport does the announcer already knows what you are going to do before you do it?
* They missed a triple axel lutz*
Here comes a double thingie dingy!
/Ok don't tell me... Surprise me...
What if a Men's skater came out and did his program backwards and screw NBC up..Would that be the end of the world?
Is there another sport like that?
*wink*

310 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #297 jeremy0114

Mega church my exwife wanted to go to was big, impressive, and the pastor made over 200k per year, with the associate pastors well into the hundreds themselves... And they stood up there every sunday and begged for more money... Made me sick.

Mega-churches are an oxymoron.

311 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:34pm

re: #288 darthstar

You can't finish a war you started (Iraq, for example). The only way to finish a war is to kill everyone on the other side. Everyone.

I disagree and so does history. What do you base that claim on?

312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:42pm

re: #275 reine.de.tout

There's that one building in L.A., TBN, CBN, or some other religious broadcasting station, I forget the name. Obscene, and not very good neighbors either. They keep the outside of their giant building lit up bright as day, to hell with any neighbors trying to sleep.

313 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:16:52pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

Exactly right.

I think we can track down all eight of them...you go that way, I'll meet you over there, we'll find 'em

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:01pm

re: #283 iceweasel

It didn't stop in 1918, either.
PS. Google James Irwin or Jesse Washington if you have a strong stomach. Image search OFF.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What has always terrified me about lynchings is how often they were not a secret crime. These things were done in broad daylight, with no fear of the law, often with women and children in attendence.

People took photographs. Souvenirs.

Something to think about when we talk about how society has declined.

315 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:19pm

re: #301 Spare O'Lake

I am a Canadian who happens to believe that the US Constitution is magnificent, and must be upheld at all costs. Any talk of charging political opponents with crimes, unless they are clearly guilty, smacks of fascism. It's something I would expect to hear from a Eurofascist or an Islamofascist, but not here.

This unamed woman isn't a political opponent. She's not running against anyone.

She's just a random loon.

And its illegal to make Death Threats in the USA....

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

316 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:27pm

re: #283 iceweasel

It didn't stop in 1918, either.
PS. Google James Irwin or Jesse Washington if you have a strong stomach. Image search OFF.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Here's another link. It's for strong stomachs only, and entirely NSFW:

American Lynchings

317 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:31pm

re: #310 darthstar

It was the final nail in my 'ever belonging to organized religion ever again' coffin...

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:50pm

BBIAB

319 imploder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:17:57pm

re: #304 SteveC

Until the day she retired my aunt (the Vietnam Combat Nurse) used to worry about the physical... always said she got in and out of Vietnam TWICE without being hurt, didn't that count for anything?

I'm a combat vet, too. WW Gulf War I. I'm retired USAF. They just recently changed the law that allows preference eligible veterans to become federal agents after age 37. Lucky me.

320 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:01pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Roots was fiction.

Yeah, slavery didn't actually happen.

321 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:18:07pm

re: #274 jamesfirecat

Um. No.

Free speech doesn't cover death threats.

See for example...

[Link: www.maldef.org...]

Come on folks this is stuff you can learn watching the Simpsons!

I said IF....IF!....read the fucking post

322 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:06pm

re: #296 Obdicut

I was born with an unusual memory. I can remember nearly anything I've ever read, if not text-perfect then at least so I can sum it up, and my auditory memory for significant things, like that Hitchens piece, is only slightly less.

My brothers made up elaborate rules for Trivial Pursuit to try to beat me when we were kids.

I would give my frontal lobes to have a memory like that.

Oh, wait...

323 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:21pm

re: #252 imploder

Hell yeah. They are going to give me 27 weeks of law enforcement training at Glynco, GA, a shield and a gun. All because I have an MBA and I speak Spanish. Pay is not bad, either.

Good luck to you! I hope it's a good job!

324 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:32pm

re: #216 Spare O'Lake

Sorry to disappoint but I too am Canadian. I do not believe her words are a crime in Canada, unless you believe that she actually intended others to literally hang the political opponent. Her explanation was in my view sufficient to give her a pass from a criminal charge.
Having said that, I believe her words were disgusting and politically idiotic.

I disagree. Quoting the Criminal Code of Canada:

Assaults

Uttering threats

264.1 (1) Every one commits an offence who, in any manner, knowingly utters, conveys or causes any person to receive a threat
(a) to cause death or bodily harm to any person;
(b) to burn, destroy or damage real or personal property; or
(c) to kill, poison or injure an animal or bird that is the property of any person.
Punishment

(2) Every one who commits an offence under paragraph (1)(a) is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months.

What was said was a threat. The law says you cannot suggest that someone be killed. It does not address the likelihood, the severity, or any (lack of) humour. Again, up to the Crown to prosecute or not, but I certainly see grounds for charges.

325 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:33pm

re: #320 Olsonist

Well, to be fair...

It is like saying that I know how hard the struggle of being an orphan is because I read Oliver Twist...

326 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:36pm

re: #301 Spare O'Lake

I am a Canadian who happens to believe that the US Constitution is magnificent, and must be upheld at all costs. Any talk of charging political opponents with crimes, unless they are clearly guilty, smacks of fascism. It's something I would expect to hear from a Eurofascist or an Islamofascist, but not here.

I don't care about her politics. I want to charge her to dissuade the crazies from making threats of death like that. I fear they could lead to murders if not checked.

327 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:49pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

Obdi has been here all day.

truly an LGF junkie....you gotta wonder what his boss thinks?....such a deal to blog from work!

328 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:19:57pm

re: #312 Slumbering Behemoth

There's that one building in L.A., TBN, CBN, or some other religious broadcasting station, I forget the name. Obscene, and not very good neighbors either. They keep the outside of their giant building lit up bright as day, to hell with any neighbors trying to sleep.

OH - Swaggart is not a good neighbor either!
Mega security around that place!

329 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:14pm

re: #311 Mich-again

I disagree and so does history. What do you base that claim on?

Unless the invaded agrees to surrender, the war continues. The only way to end it is to either leave, or have the other side surrender.

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:17pm

re: #281 jaunte

Now I'm lost...

"I'm talking about rainbows, I hate those friggin' things"!

331 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:25pm

re: #309 HoosierHoops

Yeah, but I liked this guy's choice in music:

[Link: www.nbcolympics.com...]

332 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:27pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

What has always terrified me about lynchings is how often they were not a secret crime. These things were done in broad daylight, with no fear of the law, often with women and children in attendence.

People took photographs. Souvenirs.

Something to think about when we talk about how society has declined.

They took body parts too, as souveniers.

The classic book on this is Without Sanctuary. Link here to the photo slides. They collected all the souveniur photos of the events and the postcards made of them. Revolting. The smiling kids in the photos are what has always creeped me out most.
[Link: www.withoutsanctuary.org...]

333 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:28pm

re: #321 albusteve

I said IF...IF!...read the fucking post

You also said

"free speech trumps her threat anyway"

That's a debatable point.

I argue we should have a trial to debate it....

334 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:30pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I wish they would keep the crazies out of Eastern Washington...

335 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:20:40pm

re: #297 jeremy0114

Mega church my exwife wanted to go to was big, impressive, and the pastor made over 200k per year, with the associate pastors well into the hundreds themselves... And they stood up there every sunday and begged for more money... Made me sick.

That's 200k tax free.

336 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:11pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Here's another link. It's for strong stomachs only, and entirely NSFW:

American Lynchings

That first photo at the top is Jesse Washington, IIRC.

337 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #307 ggt

No it wasn't Alex Haley's actual family history, but a good history lesson in many ways.

Chicken George, good guy. Michael Vick, bad guy. Why is that?

338 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:21pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Why so?

This woman was spouting hyperbole on a podium at a political rally, and she later explained that she meant that Murray should be politically hanged, not literally. This talk of charging political opponents with crimes in order to teach them and others a lesson, unless they are clearly guilty of a crime, smacks of fascism. It's something I would expect to hear from a Eurofascist or an Islamofascist, but not here.

339 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:53pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Lots of tea-party types seem to like this guy.

And I've seen a lot of assumptions that he must have been a "teabagger".

But his crazy suicide letter includes hatred for the auto industry, pharmaceutical companies, health insurance companies, etc. - that doesn't sound so much like a teabagger to me.

The anti-tax part does.

I think they guy was just seriously deranged.

His suicide letter said "take my pound of flesh" and he meant it literally. He came to the conclusion that "violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer." Yeah, he's nuts. He said that if he doesn't add his body to the count, it insures that nothing will change. He was also willing to add other bodies to the count against their will. I noticed he brought up 9-11, but it was all about his finances. All about him. His signature with his birth and death date is to show us all what an important part of history he is now.

340 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:21:55pm

re: #322 Cato the Elder

I would give my frontal lobes to have a memory like that.

Oh, wait...

your lobes are so frontal now, you look like an alien...is that your cerebral cortex in your pocket?

341 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:07pm

re: #269 reine.de.tout

342 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:14pm

re: #335 Olsonist

I can see as clear as day how that pastor would tell us all the suffering in the world with a tear in his eye and then remind us the Lord commands us to give 10 percent...

Makes me want to puke..... in his Mercedes.

343 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:33pm

re: #296 Obdicut

I was born with an unusual memory. I can remember nearly anything I've ever read, if not text-perfect then at least so I can sum it up, and my auditory memory for significant things, like that Hitchens piece, is only slightly less.

My brothers made up elaborate rules for Trivial Pursuit to try to beat me when we were kids.

Must be wonderful!
I can read something or have a conversation with somebody, and I will remember the general gist of things, but I will not recall any details!

I can't tell you how many books I've bought a second copy of, because I didn't recall ever reading that title, only to get halfway through the first page and realize I had already read that book. It's a curse.

344 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:50pm

Joking or not joking, it's still an extremely screwed up thing to joke about.

345 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:22:57pm

re: #338 Spare O'Lake

This woman was spouting hyperbole on a podium at a political rally, and she later explained that she meant that Murray should be politically hanged, not literally. This talk of charging political opponents with crimes in order to teach them and others a lesson, unless they are clearly guilty of a crime, smacks of fascism. It's something I would expect to hear from a Eurofascist or an Islamofascist, but not here.

"Politically hanged"

What does that even mean?

Sounds like someone is covering their ass....

346 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:02pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

I'm glad we can talk about our past, but man, I wish we didn't have to talk about parts of our past.

Have I ever told you about the eighty-seven year old black man who was at the voting station I was at for the election? I got to talking to him. He'd seen it all, and he said that he'd never have guessed, never have though this would happen before he was dead. He was so proud of America, he said, and so proud of all the work everyone had done throughout his life to push us forwards, to talk about what was previously untalkable.

I see him most days in my neighborhood, always in a suit, impeccably shined shoes, and natty little cap or fedora on. A complete class act.

So we've gotten somewhere. He said, with absolute meaning, "Now I can die happy."

347 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:03pm

re: #329 darthstar

Unless the invaded agrees to surrender, the war continues. The only way to end it is to either leave, or have the other side surrender.


But just a minute ago you said the only way to end it was to kill everyone on the other side.

348 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:18pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

And Rand Paul's campaign manager (if that was his title, not sure) had a photo of a lynching on his personal website.

349 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:39pm

re: #333 jamesfirecat

You also said

"free speech trumps her threat anyway"

That's a debatable point.

I argue we should have a trial to debate it...

with regard to the law, Einstein...you are trying to make something out of nothing

350 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:23:47pm

re: #288 darthstar

You can't finish a war you started (Iraq, for example). The only way to finish a war is to kill everyone on the other side. Everyone. You can 'end' a war by either agreeing with the other side to stop fighting (a treaty, for example, or a surrender), but the invading country does not have the decision as to whether the war ends or not...except by giving up and leaving. Just a simple, yet often overlooked, fact.

"We" did not start the Iraq war.

Jeezuz criminy.

Saddam started it by invading Kuwait. Saddam never lived up to the U.N. agreement to stop hostilities. Clinton was two steps away from having to go back in and finish Saddam off.

351 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:17pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

I can't tell you how many books I've bought a second copy of, because I didn't recall ever reading that title, only to get halfway through the first page and realize I had already read that book. It's a curse.

That's (one of the many things) libraries are for. :)

352 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:20pm

re: #345 jamesfirecat

Why couldnt she have just said...

"By golly, lets kick her butt at the polls"

Nucking futz these people are...

353 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:27pm

re: #341 Floral Giraffe

[Video]

Thanks Flo!
You see the little globe bank they have at the beginning of that video?
I had that bank when I was a kid. I actually still have it.

354 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:48pm

re: #348 Stanley Sea

And Rand Paul's campaign manager (if that was his title, not sure) had a photo of a lynching on his personal website.

Yeah, I think he was the 'communications' manager, actually! The PR guy!

FAIL.

355 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:53pm

re: #325 jeremy0114

Well, to be fair...

It is like saying that I know how hard the struggle of being an orphan is because I read Oliver Twist...

Points for the literary allusion but I'm really thinking about the legal concept of standing.

356 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:54pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Look, if you get to post that nasty stuff I get to post porn.

;-)

357 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:24:56pm

re: #340 albusteve

your lobes are so frontal now, you look like an alien...is that your cerebral cortex in your pocket?

Nah, I'm just glad to see you.

358 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:03pm

re: #345 jamesfirecat

"Politically hanged"

What does that even mean?

Sounds like someone is covering their ass...

Exactly...in the heat of the moment, lynching probably sounded like a good idea to her (which is why she said it)...it was only after, when she realized that most sane people find her words (and her for speaking them) detestable, that she tried to backtrack and minimize.

359 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:53pm

re: #351 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's (one of the many things) libraries are for. :)

Good point.
Of course with Kindle, I have a list of the titles I've purchased and can see what I've already read. I love the Kindle. The only down-side is that it won't let me organize my books the way I want to - I have to choose one of their methods.

360 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:54pm

re: #357 Cato the Elder

Nah, I'm just glad to see you.

howdy

361 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:25:58pm
362 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:26:20pm

re: #327 albusteve

I don't really have an immediate boss. My executive producer is pretty damn fond of me, given that I just covered two other people's jobs while they were out sick without dropping their deadlines, and get my own stuff in on time.

I've worked in design environments for a long time, and I can get a wonderful rhythm going. I love my job.

363 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:26:52pm

re: #339 Silvergirl

All about him. His signature with his birth and death date is to show us all what an important part of history he is now.

And now he gets the Three Name Treatment. All the famous killers are known by all three of their names, and now he's not Andy, or Joe, or Mr. Stack, he's Andrew Joseph Stack - just like Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman, and John Wilkes Booth.

//

364 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:26:53pm

What do you make of this?

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

CBN News has learned exclusively that five Muslim soldiers at Fort Jackson in South Carolina were arrested just before Christmas. It is unclear whether the men are still in custody. The five were part of the Arabic Translation program at the base.

The men are suspected of trying to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson.

A source with intimate knowledge of the investigation, which is ongoing, told CBN News investigators suspect the "Fort Jackson Five" may have been in contact with the group of five Washington, DC area Muslims that traveled to Pakistan to wage jihad against U.S. troops in December. That group was arrested by Pakistani authorities, also just before Christmas.

Coming as it does on the heels of November's Fort Hood jihadist massacre, this news has major implications.

365 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:26:59pm

re: #354 iceweasel

Yeah, I think he was the 'communications' manager, actually! The PR guy!

FAIL.

Yep.

Did you see my email?

366 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:27:33pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

Ugh. I don't recall prostitute #2, must be a serial offender!

Yeah - one was in New Orleans, the other was in . . . California, I think?
Anyhow - one was local. One incident happened while he was out of state somewhere.

367 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:27:34pm

re: #358 darthstar

it was only after, when she realized that most sane people find her words (and her for speaking them) detestable, that she tried to backtrack and minimize.

And soon we'll probably get the classic non-apology, apology. The one that goes, "I'm sorry what I said offended people." It gives the appearance of saying I'm Sorry, while not actually saying it.

368 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:27:36pm

re: #349 albusteve

with regard to the law, Einstein...you are trying to make something out of nothing

Well now I finally know how the other side feels.

"There's a lotta flag burners who have too much freedom
I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat em
Cause there's limits to our liberty!:

369 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:28:38pm

re: #350 Racer X

"We" did not start the Iraq war.

Jeezuz criminy.

Saddam started it by invading Kuwait. Saddam never lived up to the U.N. agreement to stop hostilities. Clinton was two steps away from having to go back in and finish Saddam off.

Kuwait was in 1991. He started it, we (with a coalition of willing countries) invaded, and Saddam surrendered, and then we left...okay, we hung around bombing the fuck out of his country for 12 years which is why Bush 43 felt confident he could invade and "win" easily...but that war lasted all of a week or two.

But Saddam didn't start the war in 2003. That was purely our choice. Our government was looking for a reason to take him out, and 9/11 was the catalyst that enabled us to go forward with that plan. Hell, some of the members of the Bush admin had signed the PNAC letter to Clinton in 1998 asking for an invasion of Iraq.

370 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:28:52pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

24 hour rule. OK maybe 48. I've never heard of this - has anyone else?

371 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #359 reine.de.tout

I love the Kindle.

Saw two Kindles during my travels this past weekend. Now I have a very bad case of STEVE WANT!

372 WindHorse  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

they probably had their personal rights trampled upon by some rednecks....

/

373 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:29:59pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

CBN? Those fucktards think our president is a muslim.

374 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:09pm

re: #312 Slumbering Behemoth

It's the Trinity Broadcast Network.
It's on the freeway.
Lit up like, well, hell is lighted, maybe.
Mostly lights up the freeway, but there is, IIRC, a sorry soul who lives near there, and doesn't like the lights ( Can't blame her, but she should've moved YEARS ago. They offered to buy her out, IIRC.)

[Link: www.religionnewsblog.com...]

375 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:13pm

re: #368 jamesfirecat

Well now I finally know how the other side feels.

"There's a lotta flag burners who have too much freedom
I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat em
Cause there's limits to our liberty!:

piss off with your tough guy bullshit

376 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:30:54pm

re: #338 Spare O'Lake

This woman was spouting hyperbole on a podium at a political rally, and she later explained that she meant that Murray should be politically hanged, not literally. This talk of charging political opponents with crimes in order to teach them and others a lesson, unless they are clearly guilty of a crime, smacks of fascism. It's something I would expect to hear from a Eurofascist or an Islamofascist, but not here.

I think she is guilty. The fact that she later recanted is irrelevant to me. There are things you do not say in public, and if you do the hammer ought to come down.

377 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:04pm

re: #370 Racer X

They're claiming they have it 'exclusive'. I've never heard of CBN before.

Oh

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

It's Pat Robertson's media organization.

I'm gonna go ahead and take that with some salt.

378 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:07pm

re: #375 albusteve

Or steve's gonna get ya!

379 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:20pm

Well have fun lizards, girlfriend is home and its dinnertime!

380 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:25pm
381 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:33pm

re: #322 Cato the Elder

I would give my frontal lobes to have a memory like that.

Oh, wait...

You did, say that....
OMFG, you're funny!

382 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:42pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

That's the first I have heard of it, and I live 60 miles from Fort Jackson. Local News coverage is crap. (I know the weather guy, he's a decent fellow)

383 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:31:55pm

re: #377 Obdicut

They're claiming they have it 'exclusive'. I've never heard of CBN before.

Oh

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

It's Pat Robertson's media organization.

I'm gonna go ahead and take that with some salt.

Don't worry I just happen to have recently bought the worlds BIGGEST salt shaker, its being transported here by 747...

384 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:10pm

re: #369 darthstar

I respectfully disagree.

President Clinton, and congress, were always wringing their hands debating wether or not we needed to go back in and take out that asshole Saddam. He was a prick almost immediately after we signed the U.N. agreements. He became more of a prick every day under Clinton. He started shit and we never finished it - until 2003.

385 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:32:39pm

The U.S. Army is investigating allegations that soldiers were attempting to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson in South Carolina.

The ongoing probe began two months ago, Chris Grey, a spokesman for the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, told Fox News.

The Army is taking the allegations “extremely seriously,” Grey said, but so far, "there is no credible information to support the allegations."

Five suspects, detained in December, were part of an Arabic translation program called "09 Lima" and use Arabic as their first language, two sources told Fox News. Another military source said they were Muslim. It wasn't clear whether they were still being held.

Grey would not confirm or deny the sources’ information.

Fox News' Catherine Herridge contributed to this report.

386 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:11pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

I think she is guilty. The fact that she later recanted is irrelevant to me. There are things you do not say in public, and if you do the hammer ought to come down.

the law is the law regardless of taste or propriety

387 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:22pm

re: #385 Bagua

So now its Fox News.

WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE SALT HERE!

388 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:24pm
389 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:31pm

re: #373 darthstar

CBN? Those fucktards think our president is a muslim.

So the story must not be true?

390 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:33:34pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

Ugh. I don't recall prostitute #2, must be a serial offender!

Here.
Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, if you're in the mood to be totally creeped out.

And Jimmy's wiki page describes the tale of the two prostitutes.

391 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:23pm

re: #338 Spare O'Lake


This woman was spouting hyperbole on a podium

There seems to be a lack of understanding the definition of hyperbole here today. Hyperbole is saying "That politician's public works agenda is evil, she is worse than Darth Vader and Hitler combined".

Saying "Remember how that one dude got hung? That's what I want to do to this politician" isn't hyperbole, it's damn near a death threat.

392 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:42pm

re: #384 Racer X

I respectfully disagree.

President Clinton, and congress, were always wringing their hands debating wether or not we needed to go back in and take out that asshole Saddam. He was a prick almost immediately after we signed the U.N. agreements. He became more of a prick every day under Clinton. He started shit and we never finished it - until 2003.

I read (in Harper's I think it was) that the longest Iraq went between 1991 and 2002 without a US strike on a target in that country was six days. Six days. The No-Fly Zone ring a bell? By the time we invaded in 2003, the only planes Iraq had were buried in the sand (and discovered after the invasion).

393 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:34:58pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

One thing I do not remember is the name of authors, and, weirdly, often the name of characters in books. It's a strange hole. I can tell you most of the plot of, say, Pride and Prejudice, which I last read a few years ago (due for a rereading), but aside from Jane and Mr. Darcy, I totally forget everyone else's name.

394 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:15pm

re: #383 jamesfirecat

Your arteries thank you in advance!
///

395 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:27pm

re: #386 albusteve

the law is the law regardless of taste or propriety

Agreed. And I think she broke it.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:49pm

re: #382 SteveC

That's the first I have heard of it, and I live 60 miles from Fort Jackson. Local News coverage is crap. (I know the weather guy, he's a decent fellow)

Here is a local news story...

Possible Poison Plot at Fort Jackson Investigated

397 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:35:49pm

re: #392 darthstar

I read (in Harper's I think it was) that the longest Iraq went between 1991 and 2002 without a US strike on a target in that country was six days. Six days. The No-Fly Zone ring a bell? By the time we invaded in 2003, the only planes Iraq had were buried in the sand (and discovered after the invasion).

Yep. What a war monger Clinton was.

398 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:20pm

re: #389 NJDhockeyfan

So the story must not be true?

It may be true. But CBN's sole purpose is to paint anyone who isn't Christian as evil and an enemy. I wouldn't trust them to print a weather forecast.

399 Racer X  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:27pm

re: #392 darthstar

And why on earth would Clinton bomb the shit out of Iraq?

400 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:36:52pm

re: #397 Racer X

Yep. What a war monger Clinton was.

Clinton was a moderate. So is Obama. We've never had a progressive president in this country.

401 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:05pm

re: #390 reine.de.tout

And Jimmy's wiki page describes the tale of the two prostitutes.

I think I rented A Tale of Two Prostitutes on DVD....

402 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:06pm

Some nut goes postal. Although the airplane was a departure from the usual pistol or what have you. Not the first time.

Some fool takes the spotlight and says something stupid. Wishing for the death of another. Not the first time.

A little perspective may be in order all around.

Lots of people are just plain damaged in my estimation. This would include both actors and audience.

403 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:07pm

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. And I think she broke it.

if she did, slam her...if she didn't slam her anyway

404 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:20pm

re: #393 Obdicut

One thing I do not remember is the name of authors, and, weirdly, often the name of characters in books. It's a strange hole. I can tell you most of the plot of, say, Pride and Prejudice, which I last read a few years ago (due for a rereading), but aside from Jane and Mr. Darcy, I totally forget everyone else's name.

aha!
So you are not practically perfect in every way!

405 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:27pm

re: #392 darthstar

I read (in Harper's I think it was) that the longest Iraq went between 1991 and 2002 without a US strike on a target in that country was six days. Six days. The No-Fly Zone ring a bell? By the time we invaded in 2003, the only planes Iraq had were buried in the sand (and discovered after the invasion).

Reason for the strikes: US aircraft enforcing the agreed no-fly zones according to the terms of the ceasefire were being painted by Iraqi anti-aircraft weapons.

406 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:42pm

Visualize this, lit up like a whaorehouse, after dark....
Image: File:Trinity_Broadcasting_Network_-_Costa_Mesa.jpg

407 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:37:53pm

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good night LGF.

408 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:10pm

re: #397 Racer X

Yep. What a war monger Clinton was.

Remember all those anti-war moonbats protesting Bill Clinton's military attacks on Iraq?

Me neither.

409 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:26pm

Where did that extra "a" come from?
Fat fingered typing strikes again!

410 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:29pm

re: #400 darthstar

Clinton was a moderate. So is Obama. We've never had a progressive president in this country.

BO is a mod when he has no other choice, legally or politically...otherwise he's a cash for clunkers neosocialist

411 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:33pm

In my world there is no such thing as

too much garlic
too much chocolate
or
too many puppies

412 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:38:37pm

re: #406 Floral Giraffe

Visualize this, lit up like a whaorehouse, after dark...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Good grief!
and ugh!

413 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:25pm

re: #411 ggt

In my world there is no such thing as

too much garlic
too much chocolate
or
too many puppies

Cute!
Yours?

414 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:32pm

re: #404 reine.de.tout

aha!
So you are not practically perfect in every way!

I want an autograph!

415 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:39pm

re: #412 reine.de.tout

Check out the faux-greek-temple digital sign.

416 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:44pm

re: #404 reine.de.tout

Oh god no. As my fiancee will happily tell you about. She likes laughing at me in a good way, and I give her plenty of material.

Another thing I cannot remember: Where I put my damn keys. Ten minutes every morning is me storming up and down the hallway of the apartment saying, "Where are they?"

417 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:39:53pm

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good night LGF.

Meh, Lizards are scaly for a reason!
Good night!

418 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:19pm

re: #303 albusteve

I know...somewhere it turns the corner and heads for Falwell Town...not always and I don't want to sound unfair...I got married a little Norman Rockwell Methodist church up there...before they tripled their land and built all kinds of accessory facilities and ruined the whole country scene

The whole Mega Church phenom. When preaching turns into profit.

Bad thing. IMHO

419 McSpiff  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:25pm

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good night LGF.

And I hope that one day you understand that actions do indeed have consequences. And I'd never take away your right to blindly shout 'fascist!' at those attempting serious discussion.

Anyways I should sleep as well. Be safe all.

420 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:26pm

re: #400 darthstar

Clinton was a moderate. So is Obama. We've never had a progressive president in this country.

Obama a moderate?

Hahahahahahahaha!

421 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:35pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

I find CBN to be just one notch higher than WND on the credibility scale, which really ain't that high. YMMV.

422 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:51pm

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good night LGF.

No, that's actually a good argument. I'm not sure I agree with it, but yoe made good points and gave me something to think about.

423 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:40:58pm

re: #398 darthstar

It may be true. But CBN's sole purpose is to paint anyone who isn't Christian as evil and an enemy. I wouldn't trust them to print a weather forecast.

And on Thursday we'll have the rapture, so I don't see much point to telling you good folks about Friday's weather....

424 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:30pm

re: #420 NJDhockeyfan

Obama a moderate?

Hahahahahahahaha!

It's quite a howler, isn't it?

425 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:31pm

re: #415 jaunte

Check out the faux-greek-temple digital sign.

It's just awful.
You can see the lights on the building that they light up at night.
What for?

426 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:35pm

re: #396 NJDhockeyfan

Here is a local news story...

Possible Poison Plot at Fort Jackson Investigated

Reading from that link:

Officials at the base are saying that no one was poisoned and that an investigation is under way to determine the validity of the report.

Also from the Fox News story posted further up:

The Army is taking the allegations “extremely seriously,” Grey said, but so far, "there is no credible information to support the allegations."

So maybe one way to read all that is there were accusations of a plot, but currently no credible evidence to support it?

427 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:44pm

re: #415 jaunte

Check out the faux-greek-temple digital sign.

Looks like Cesar's Palace in Vegas.

428 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:41:48pm

re: #421 Slumbering Behemoth

I find CBN to be just one notch higher than WND on the credibility scale, which really ain't that high. YMMV.

I meant the story, not the website.

429 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:42:02pm

re: #411 ggt

In my world there is no such thing as

too much garlic
too much chocolate
or
too many puppies

Are those yours?
I think I need one!
They are super! How big do they get?

430 SteveC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:42:05pm

re: #423 jamesfirecat

And on Thursday we'll have the rapture, so I don't see much point to telling you good folks about Friday's weather...

*Looks at Clock: 11:42 PM Eastern Time*

There ain't much Thursday left.

431 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:42:14pm

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good night LGF.

We don't need to win the case.

We just need to have the case to remind America that Death threats are against the law. Let people know that if they keep advocating this kind of thing they could wind up in the dock as well, and their jury might not be as forgiving.

432 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:43:02pm

re: #416 Obdicut

Oh god no. As my fiancee will happily tell you about. She likes laughing at me in a good way, and I give her plenty of material.

Another thing I cannot remember: Where I put my damn keys. Ten minutes every morning is me storming up and down the hallway of the apartment saying, "Where are they?"

heheheh.
A trick some of us seniors use:
Put the keys in the same place every time.
No excuses. Pick a place and just do it.

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:43:36pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I don't care about her politics. I want to charge her to dissuade the crazies from making threats of death like that. I fear they could lead to murders if not checked.

I think that is the job of the community. Peer pressure can be more effective than the law. It doesn't help that the MSM gives these crazies a platform, instead of asking tough questions.

434 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:31pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

heheheh.
A trick some of us seniors use:
Put the keys in the same place every time.
No excuses. Pick a place and just do it.

What a tricksy trick!

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:42pm

re: #337 Mich-again

Chicken George, good guy. Michael Vick, bad guy. Why is that?

you lost me.

436 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:45pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

A coathook works well.

437 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:56pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

heheheh.
A trick some of us seniors use:
Put the keys in the same place every time.
No excuses. Pick a place and just do it.

WHO you calling a senior?
HUH?
I've done that since I was in my teens, young lady.
Harumph.
Why, if I had my cane, you'd feel it!
;)

438 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:44:59pm

re: #431 jamesfirecat

We don't need to win the case.

We just need to have the case to remind America that Death threats are against the law. Let people know that if they keep advocating this kind of thing they could wind up in the dock as well, and their jury might not be as forgiving.

did she break the law?....back up your rhetoric, you have had a few hours now...you want to beat up flag burners?...you want to scrap freedom of speech?...do you know what the fuck you are even talking about?...you have your horse way before your cart

439 Bagua  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:13pm

Terrorists, threats, plots, incivility...

Ain't no home in this world anymore

440 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:23pm

re: #433 ggt

I think that is the job of the community. Peer pressure can be more effective than the law. It doesn't help that the MSM gives these crazies a platform, instead of asking tough questions.

If MSN is giving these crazies a platform what is Fox doing for them?

I bet its illegal in at least 4 states. (Sex joke)

441 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:45:42pm

re: #438 albusteve

you have your horse way before your cart

Umm...

442 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:05pm

re: #438 albusteve

did she break the law?...back up your rhetoric, you have had a few hours now...you want to beat up flag burners?...you want to scrap freedom of speech?...do you know what the fuck you are even talking about?...you have your horse way before your cart

Death threats are illegal.

I interpret what she said as a death threat.

443 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:14pm

re: #441 Obdicut

Umm...

cart before the horse, right

444 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:26pm

re: #440 jamesfirecat

James, I think you should just write 'sex joke' at the bottom of all your posts. It'd probably divert a lot of downdings.

Or maybe not.

445 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:46:54pm

re: #434 Stanley Sea

What a tricksy trick!

Ain't it, though?re: #436 jaunte

A coathook works well.

Yes it does. I have one screwed into the wall in my kitchen, and that's where I put my keys!

446 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:47:48pm

re: #444 Obdicut

James, I think you should just write 'sex joke' at the bottom of all your posts. It'd probably divert a lot of downdings.

Or maybe not.

I only write "sex joke" when its justified, and I don't think it would have saved me from that apparently over the line horse sex thing in South Carolina post I made earlier tonight.

447 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:47:58pm

re: #442 jamesfirecat

Death threats are illegal.

I interpret what she said as a death threat.

nobody gives a fuck about your interpretation...you have ragged on this for quite awhile now, looking for some debate that isn't there...alot of blather imo

448 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:05pm

re: #442 jamesfirecat

Death threats are illegal.

I interpret what she said as a death threat.

I would have to see the video before I make a judgement. How she said it is just as important as what she said.

449 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:09pm

re: #445 reine.de.tout

Yes it does. I have one screwed into the wall in my kitchen, and that's where I put my keys!

I shouldn't write 'sex joke' after that.

450 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:17pm

re: #358 darthstar

Exactly...in the heat of the moment, lynching probably sounded like a good idea to her (which is why she said it)...it was only after, when she realized that most sane people find her words (and her for speaking them) detestable, that she tried to backtrack and minimize.

Most Americans are so far removed from actuality of violent death, I don't think they have a clue what their words mean sometimes.

If this lady ever witnessed a lynching, she'd probably have to be hospitalized.

What an idiot.

451 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:42pm

James would like to live in a nice tidy little world. Admirable, but boring I bet.

452 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:48:48pm

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

I would have to see the video before I make a judgement. How she said it is just as important as what she said.

Video is posted.
search "simoom" - it's posted in one of his posts.

453 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:49:03pm

re: #444 Obdicut

James, I think you should just write 'sex joke' at the bottom of all your posts. It'd probably divert a lot of downdings.

Or maybe not.

Not.

454 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:49:28pm

re: #447 albusteve

nobody gives a fuck about your interpretation...you have ragged on this for quite awhile now, looking for some debate that isn't there...alot of blather imo

She said

"What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray."

What do you consider this if not a Death Threat?

455 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:49:29pm

re: #446 jamesfirecat

I only write "sex joke" when its justified, and I don't think it would have saved me from that apparently over the line horse sex thing in South Carolina post I made earlier tonight.

That was disgusting.
It really was.
How many downdings did you get?

456 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:50:08pm

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good night LGF.

It's not to 'take down' the precious tea partiers - its to uphold the law as it stands and to discourage dangerous, extremist rhetoric. I do not think anyone should be free to advocate murder to a bunch of people, some of whom are demonstrably unhinged fanatics, - you know, the kind of people who make excuses for nuts flying planes into buildings - and then claim later that it was all just a big joke.

Sheer concern trollery.

457 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:50:25pm

re: #451 The Shadow Do

James would like to live in a nice tidy little world. Admirable, but boring I bet.

No, just a world where you're not allowed to speak up about how you want to advocate the killing of someone.

Or is outlawing death threats the first step to jack boots?

458 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:24pm

re: #455 reine.de.tout

That was disgusting.
It really was.
How many downdings did you get?

The post was

"Can't the people of South Carolina just go back to f***ing horses and not take actions which would screw up the lives of everyone else?

(I'm not saying everyone in South Carolina is into horses, just that one guy who I heard about through the Daily Show)"

And you already downdinged me for it....

459 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:30pm

re: #455 reine.de.tout

That was disgusting.
It really was.
How many downdings did you get?

Not enough, IMHO.

460 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:36pm

re: #452 reine.de.tout

Video is posted.
search "simoom" - it's posted in one of his posts.

Charles added it to the main story at the top too, so alternately folks can look there.

461 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:51:43pm

re: #393 Obdicut

One thing I do not remember is the name of authors, and, weirdly, often the name of characters in books. It's a strange hole. I can tell you most of the plot of, say, Pride and Prejudice, which I last read a few years ago (due for a rereading), but aside from Jane and Mr. Darcy, I totally forget everyone else's name.

I remember interesting or novel concepts and forget the details. What I get for being a divergent, global thinker. I can't see the trees for the forest.

462 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:09pm

re: #458 jamesfirecat

The post was

"Can't the people of South Carolina just go back to f***ing horses and not take actions which would screw up the lives of everyone else?

(I'm not saying everyone in South Carolina is into horses, just that one guy who I heard about through the Daily Show)"

And you already downdinged me for it...

Have another!

463 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:11pm

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

PIMF :

If some of you folks want a political show trial to take down the tea partiers, you should pick a much stronger test case. This particular one, IMHO, is a loser of a case and the end result would be to encourage the crazies to do more of the same.
Please be careful not to advocate that the power of the State be enlisted to stifle free speech lest you ultimately endanger your own liberties.



It's not to 'take down' the precious tea partiers - its to uphold the law as it stands and to discourage dangerous, extremist rhetoric. I do not think anyone should be free to advocate murder to a bunch of people, some of whom are demonstrably unhinged fanatics, - you know, the kind of people who make excuses for nuts flying planes into buildings - and then claim later that it was all just a big joke.

Sheer concern trollery.

464 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:26pm

re: #400 darthstar

Clinton was a moderate. So is Obama. We've never had a progressive president in this country.

Wilson?

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #454 jamesfirecat

She said

"What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray."

What do you consider this if not a Death Threat?

Not "That's what I'd like to see happen to her political career", but "that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray".

466 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:31pm

re: #458 jamesfirecat

The post was

"Can't the people of South Carolina just go back to f***ing horses and not take actions which would screw up the lives of everyone else?

(I'm not saying everyone in South Carolina is into horses, just that one guy who I heard about through the Daily Show)"

And you already downdinged me for it...

And I did it again.

467 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:52:51pm

re: #454 jamesfirecat

She said

"What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray."

What do you consider this if not a Death Threat?

I'm not a AG, and neither are you...that's the whole point...I posted my thoughts 400 posts upthread, which you apparently just passed over...I'm not the type to sit here and repeat myself over and over...by now you could have found some legal material to enhance your stubborn position, you just want to argue

468 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:01pm

re: #458 jamesfirecat

And now I'm going to downding you again. You asked for it.

469 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:03pm
470 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:07pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

Cute!
Yours?

No.:( Little mastiff puppies.

I really whaaaaaaaaaaant a mastiff.

someday . . . .

471 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:32pm

re: #466 reine.de.tout

And I did it again.

Seriously?

I'll admit I misread your post and I thought you were asking me about exactly what I had posted so I brought it back up.

Still seems harsh for down dinging me twice for the same post...

472 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:42pm

what a thread slut...good grief

473 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:54:49pm

re: #461 ggt

I remember interesting or novel concepts and forget the details. What I get for being a divergent, global thinker. I can't see the trees for the forest.

That's me, too.
Makes it difficult when I want to make a point in a discussion, because I have no details to describe, I can only describe the general sort of picture.

474 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:10pm

re: #457 jamesfirecat

No, just a world where you're not allowed to speak up about how you want to advocate the killing of someone.

Or is outlawing death threats the first step to jack boots?

James, why don't you just go drop dead.

475 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:18pm

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

And now I'm going to downding you again. You asked for it.

Begged for it, even....

476 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:38pm

re: #423 jamesfirecat

And on Thursday we'll have the rapture, so I don't see much point to telling you good folks about Friday's weather...

Wait, TODAY IS THURSDAY.

oh noooooooooooooooo

(Mr. Bill)
/

477 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:55:50pm

And no, James, that was not a death threat unless you choose to remain confused on the matter.

478 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:02pm

re: #458 jamesfirecat

The post was

"Can't the people of South Carolina just go back to f***ing horses and not take actions which would screw up the lives of everyone else?

(I'm not saying everyone in South Carolina is into horses, just that one guy who I heard about through the Daily Show)"

And you already downdinged me for it...

I updinged you twice.
I don't remember the Stewart show in question, but I did remember this GA candidate for governor running on a secessionist platform who talked about having sex with mules-- as in, admitting that he had:
[Link: www.examiner.com...]

When you're a reporter, you occasionally have to ask uncomfortable questions of someone. In this case, I landed an interview with the Georgia Creator's Rights Party candidate for governor, Neal Horsley, who is running on the secessionist platform. During the course of my research, I stumbled upon the fact that Horsley had screwed a mule. (Horsely originally fessed up in an Esquire article, which was picked up by Alan Colmes.) At that point, the campaign, the crusade, everything else kind of takes a backseat to the fact that he screwed a mule.
479 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:04pm

re: #471 jamesfirecat

Seriously?

I'll admit I misread your post and I thought you were asking me about exactly what I had posted so I brought it back up.

Still seems harsh for down dinging me twice for the same post...

James.
LOL.
I'll upding this post.
But I'll downding the other one every time you post it.
Don't blame me because you misread my comment.

480 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:04pm

re: #472 albusteve

what a thread slut...good grief

Who? firecat? He's just kid mooning the street. He's seeking attention through gross out. He'll grow out of it.

481 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:12pm

re: #457 jamesfirecat

No, just a world where you're not allowed to speak up about how you want to advocate the killing of someone.

Or is outlawing death threats the first step to jack boots?

Did you get this upset when left-wing protesters made similar threats about GWB & Cheney.

482 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:15pm

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

And now I'm going to downding you again. You asked for it.

Let me make this clear.

I misread post 455 and thought it was asking to see what post it was, which was why it brought it up again....

I feel the second downding is a little harsh, but then LGF is a tough room...

483 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:16pm

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

Remember all those anti-war moonbats protesting Bill Clinton's military attacks on Iraq?

Me neither.

You weren't paying attention. There were plenty of 'em.

484 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:30pm

re: #474 The Shadow Do

James, why don't you just go drop dead.

I'll see you in court!

485 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:40pm

re: #429 Floral Giraffe

Are those yours?
I think I need one!
They are super! How big do they get?

They are not mine. they are Mastiff puppies and they get very, very big. They slobber a lot too! Really not good indoor, sleep on the bed kinda dogs.

But, I still whaaaaaaaaaaaaant one.

486 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:56:41pm

re: #415 jaunte

Check out the faux-greek-temple digital sign.

Ah yes, it takes us back to the stage at the convention for Obama's acceptance speech.

487 darthstar  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:15pm

Okay...my wife finally got home from work, and I've got pork spare ribs ready and a cauliflower mash to finish. Good night, all.

488 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:25pm

re: #485 ggt

They are not mine. they are Mastiff puppies and they get very, very big. They slobber a lot too! Really not good indoor, sleep on the bed kinda dogs.

But, I still whaaant one.

A good friend of mine has had English Mastiffs for decades. They're great dogs, gentle giants.

489 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:32pm

re: #478 iceweasel

Horsley of Georgia screwed a mule does not = the people of Georgia screw mules.
Really.

490 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:55pm

re: #479 reine.de.tout

James.
LOL.
I'll upding this post.
But I'll downding the other one every time you post it.
Don't blame me because you misread my comment.

Don't worry, I don't plan to post it again...

It wasn't as... make that it wasn't at all funny unlike what I was reaching for in my head.

It was my first post of the night so chalk it up to an mental engine misfire as I was trying to get up off the runway...

491 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:57:55pm

re: #481 NJDhockeyfan

Did you get this upset when left-wing protesters made similar threats about GWB & Cheney.

He was only 9 then.

492 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:03pm

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

Remember all those anti-war moonbats protesting Bill Clinton's military attacks on Iraq?

Me neither.

Remember those Tea Partiers protesting the Bush Admin? Neither do I.
/I can play that game, too!
;)

493 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:04pm

Looks like some more details are starting to surface regarding the "Feed the Children" scam charity ministry, complete with charges of tax evasion, incest-related porn, and racist emails.

Link's from CBS, but there's lots of quoted material in here:

Exclusive: CBS News Investigation into a Billion-Dollar-a-Year Charity That Solicited Aid for Haiti

494 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:12pm

James is not a rational actor. Just sayin'

495 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:33pm

re: #490 jamesfirecat

Don't worry, I don't plan to post it again...

It wasn't as... make that it wasn't at all funny unlike what I was reaching for in my head.

It was my first post of the night so chalk it up to an mental engine misfire as I was trying to get up off the runway...

OK, hon.
You are forgiven.

496 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:38pm

re: #477 The Shadow Do

And no, James, that was not a death threat unless you choose to remain confused on the matter.

Sorry I should have thrown in a

;)

After my "I'll see you in court!"

Also would you mind telling me where you live so I can send the summons?

;)

497 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:44pm

re: #494 The Shadow Do

James is not a rational actor. Just sayin'

James is young.

498 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:57pm

re: #442 jamesfirecat

Death threats are illegal.

I interpret what she said as a death threat.

I wouldn't stand up in court, probably wouldn't even make it to trial.

give up on it alread.

499 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:58:59pm

re: #489 reine.de.tout

Horsley of Georgia screwed a mule does not = the people of Georgia screw mules.
Really.

Yes, but I don't believe JFC genuinely believes everyone in GA, or SC for that matter, is having sex with animals.
He probably wouldn't have gotten so harshly downdinged if he'd included the Stewart clip. I read him as doing a little spacejesus riff.

500 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:05pm

re: #482 jamesfirecat

Let me make this clear.

I misread post 455 and thought it was asking to see what post it was, which was why it brought it up again...

I feel the second downding is a little harsh, but then LGF is a tough room...

you misread alot of stuff...duh

501 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:12pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

James is young.

So am I!
:P

502 deadletterboy  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:18pm

A bit off topic, but I felt it was one of the more interesting things I read today. And a great example of what a dumb country we live in sometimes.

Dude Angry at Obama for not being an idiot

It looks spin heavy but I checked the actual (Fox news) article and Dave's interpretation is dead on. Guh. My brain.

503 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:30pm

This little spat going on reminds me of the South Park movie with Eric Idle.

"Now, Eric, I want you to say 'horse fucker.'"

504 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:32pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

And is self-declared, and believably, ADHD.

505 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:33pm

re: #449 jaunte

I shouldn't write 'sex joke' after that.

in bed?

506 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:35pm

re: #472 albusteve

what a thread slut...good grief

We have a WINNAH!
DING DING DING!

Jameswhatever. Attention whores do get what they are loking for.
Do you know the first rule of holes?
You might want to look it up.

507 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:44pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

James is young.

Ahhhhh....

I have me one of those.

508 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:55pm

re: #347 Mich-again

But just a minute ago you said the only way to end it was to kill everyone on the other side.

The logic is fairly straight forward.

You have two groups, the invaders and the invaded. It is up to the invaded to surrender to stop the fighting, the invaders aren't in a position to surrender for them. For the choice to be the invader's, they would have to surrender to the invaded, turn around and leave or destroy the invaded's ability to wage war and ability to make the decision to surrender. If the invaded is left with the ability to surrender, then the choice is again theirs.

509 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 8:59:57pm

re: #499 iceweasel

Yes, but I don't believe JFC genuinely believes everyone in GA, or SC for that matter, is having sex with animals.
He probably wouldn't have gotten so harshly downdinged if he'd included the Stewart clip. I read him as doing a little spacejesus riff.

Probably.
But he has a loooooong way to go to have the utter charm that SpaceJesus does.

510 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:31pm

re: #504 Obdicut

And is self-declared, and believably, ADHD.

Really?
It is absolutely believable.

511 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:37pm

re: #505 ggt

Who writes?
(in bed)

512 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:45pm

re: #454 jamesfirecat

She said

"What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray."

What do you consider this if not a Death Threat?

It's what she would like to do, not what she says she will do or wants others to do. It wouldn't make it to court.

513 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:00:58pm

re: #509 reine.de.tout

There can only be one extraterrestrial savior.

/begins watching Farscape.

514 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:03pm

re: #492 Varek Raith

Remember those Tea Partiers protesting the Bush Admin? Neither do I.
/I can play that game, too!
;)

The Tea Party didn't exists then and you didn't answer my question. I probably already know the answer.

515 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:11pm

re: #400 darthstar

Clinton was a moderate. So is Obama. We've never had a progressive president in this country.

The Roosevelts and Truman. I'd consider both of them progressives.

516 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:23pm

re: #485 ggt

Me too.
They look like fun, outdoor dogs!
Puppy breath!
Is there anything sweeter, well, than a lovers?

517 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:01:36pm

re: #411 ggt

In my world there is no such thing as

too much garlic
too much chocolate
or
too many puppies

Jindo puppies!

518 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:22pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

James is young.

that's no excuse...there should be a mandatory lurk period before you come on here and state you want to beat up flag burners and bend freedom of speech laws to your own will...there are nasty names for people like that

519 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:40pm

re: #514 NJDhockeyfan

The Tea Party didn't exists then and you didn't answer my question. I probably already know the answer.

*cough* uh *cough*

520 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:41pm

re: #504 Obdicut

And is self-declared, and believably, ADHD.

And he has also self-declared that he is here partly for the information and the learning. I like that.

521 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:41pm

re: #499 iceweasel

Yes, but I don't believe JFC genuinely believes everyone in GA, or SC for that matter, is having sex with animals.
He probably wouldn't have gotten so harshly downdinged if he'd included the Stewart clip. I read him as doing a little spacejesus riff.

It was a spacejesus riff, but several of us still downding Spacejesus for those riffs. Both SJ and JFC are basically good people, but sometimes they act like asses and when they do they get downdinged.

522 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:02:45pm

re: #509 reine.de.tout

Probably.
But he has a looong way to go to have the utter charm that SpaceJesus does.

Well, SJ was only recently considered ok here.
And yes, JFC is young and he has ADHD.
But he's also very polite, usually, and does apologise when he gives offense. Also admits when he's wrong.
I've seen him stay a lot calmer when several posters are jumping him all at once than I used to.
Anyway, he did apologise for the SC comment...

523 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:12pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

James is young.

Doesn't excuse stupid.
It's been pointed out before.
I'm being less than patient, not bitchy.

524 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:19pm

re: #514 NJDhockeyfan

The Tea Party didn't exists then and you didn't answer my question. I probably already know the answer.

It's really, really simple. Both side are incredibly hypocritical. It's okay when their side does it, bad when the other does it. That the answer you thought I'd say?
;)

525 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:03:57pm

re: #473 reine.de.tout

That's me, too.
Makes it difficult when I want to make a point in a discussion, because I have no details to describe, I can only describe the general sort of picture.

Luckily there are plenty of Lizards who cheerfully fill in the blanks. And some (ahem, obdicut :) who show the the holes between the blanks.

526 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:06pm

re: #499 iceweasel

He's not that smart.
IMHO.
Your mileage may vary.

527 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:13pm

re: #474 The Shadow Do

James, why don't you just go drop dead.

Is that a death threat?

528 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:38pm

re: #518 albusteve

that's no excuse...there should be a mandatory lurk period before you come on here and state you want to beat up flag burners and bend freedom of speech laws to your own will...there are nasty names for people like that

Dude how do you not get the flag burners joke?

Simpsons?

I was saying that like how there are people on the right who don't like people expressing themselves by burning the flag, I as someone on the left don't like people expressing themselves by talking about how they want to kill others....

529 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:04:52pm

re: #523 Floral Giraffe

Doesn't excuse stupid.
It's been pointed out before.
I'm being less than patient, not bitchy.

I have an overflow of patient today, for some reason.
Just trying to spread it around.

530 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:07pm

re: #519 Slumbering Behemoth

*cough* uh *cough*

Ron Paul Tea Party? I never heard of that.

The things you learn on LGF.

531 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:08pm

re: #518 albusteve

He didn't say he wanted to beat up flag burners, he was using that as a dumb counterexample in a warped way that didn't really work. But he didn't mean he wanted to, not the way I read it.

532 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:38pm

re: #527 ggt

Nah, it's a "why don't you hang yourself", vs. a "I want to hang you".

533 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:05:56pm

re: #499 iceweasel

Yes, but I don't believe JFC genuinely believes everyone in GA, or SC for that matter, is having sex with animals.
He probably wouldn't have gotten so harshly downdinged if he'd included the Stewart clip. I read him as doing a little spacejesus riff.

Next up - a comment about Scotsmen and sheep.

To be followed by Ice and Jimmah making haggis out of the firecat's guts.

534 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:07pm

re: #528 jamesfirecat

Dude how do you not get the flag burners joke?

Simpsons?


[Video]I was saying that like how there are people on the right who don't like people expressing themselves by burning the flag, I as someone on the left don't like people expressing themselves by talking about how they want to kill others...

whatever...it appears your confusion is contagious then

535 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:26pm

re: #531 Obdicut

He didn't say he wanted to beat up flag burners, he was using that as a dumb counterexample in a warped way that didn't really work. But he didn't mean he wanted to, not the way I read it.

Yeah I thought that the fact that I used the jaunty tune from the Simpsons would make it clear that I wasn't serious....

536 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:06:33pm

re: #488 Mad Al-Jaffee

A good friend of mine has had English Mastiffs for decades. They're great dogs, gentle giants.

I know!

I whaaaaaaaaaaaaant one. And a German Shepherd and a Rottie and a . . . . . . . . Irish Wolfhound . . . . .

537 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:13pm

re: #531 Obdicut

He didn't say he wanted to beat up flag burners, he was using that as a dumb counterexample in a warped way that didn't really work. But he didn't mean he wanted to, not the way I read it.

whatever....I can easily move on

538 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:23pm

re: #527 ggt

Is that a death threat?

Did you forget the sarc tag?

539 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:07:41pm

re: #494 The Shadow Do

James is not a rational actor. Just sayin'

What is it Bill Cosby said about children?

Give 'em time. He'll build up some nice scales --mostly of scar tissue.

540 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:01pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Next up - a comment about Scotsmen and sheep.

To be followed by Ice and Jimmah making haggis out of the firecat's guts.

Not likely I'm part Scottish myself on my maternal side... been three our four generations since my family left though...

541 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:03pm
"In this class we use the Socratic method. I call on you, ask you a question and you answer it. Why don't I just give you a lecture? Because through my questions you'll teach yourselves. Through this method of questions and answers, questioning and answering we seek to develop in you the ability to analyze that vast complex of facts that constitutes the relationships of members within a given society. Questions and answers. At times you may feel you have found the correct answer, I can assure you this is a complete delusion on your part. You will never find the correct, absolute, and final answer. In this class there is always another question to follow your answer, yes your on a treadmill, my little questions spin the tumblers of your mind, your on an operating table, my little questions are the fingers probing your brain. We do brain surgery here, you teach yourself the law, but I train your mind. You come in here with a mind full of mush and you leave thinking like a lawyer."
-- Professor Kingsfield, The Paper Chase
542 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:31pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Three Englishman walk into a bar and spot a Welshman sitting alone at a table.

One fellow said to the others, 'Let's pick a fight with that Welshman over there.'
His partner replied, 'Wait, we don't want to be arrested. Let's make him start the fight.'
The third Englishman said, 'Wait here chaps. I know how to do it.'

He went over to the Welshman and said, 'St David was a flippin' sissy.'
To this the Welshman replied, 'Ah well you don't say!' and calmly resumed drinking his beer.

The second Englishman now tried his luck and said to the Welshman, 'St David was a stupid fool that wore a dress!'
The Welshman again replied, 'You're very sharp, you don't say!' and calmly resumed drinking his beer.

The last Englishman told his friends he knew how to rile the Welshman and bounced up to the table and yelled, 'St David was an Englishman!'

The Welshman replied, calmly, 'That's what your mates were trying to tell me.'

543 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:38pm

re: #536 ggt

I know!

I whaaant one. And a German Shepherd and a Rottie and a . . . . . . Irish Wolfhound . . . . .

I want a big dog, too.

Our dog is small (chihuahua/terrier mix). He's a great dog, doesn't have a clue that he's small.

But he's been hanging around our cats too long, picking up their bad habits . . .

544 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:49pm

re: #493 RadicalModerate

Looks like some more details are starting to surface regarding the "Feed the Children" scam charity ministry, complete with charges of tax evasion, incest-related porn, and racist emails.

Link's from CBS, but there's lots of quoted material in here:

Exclusive: CBS News Investigation into a Billion-Dollar-a-Year Charity That Solicited Aid for Haiti

Holy boloney, batman-- that belongs in spinoffs.

545 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:08:53pm

re: #530 NJDhockeyfan

Early on, Killgore took a lot of crap for pointing these facts out. Regardless of the the crap some threw at him, it never changed the fact that this current Tea Party thing was started by, and in many cases continues to be run by, Paul-bot troofer types. The movement is toxic and reactionary.

546 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:07pm

re: #541 jaunte

I loved that show!

547 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:13pm

re: #524 Varek Raith

It's really, really simple. Both side are incredibly hypocritical. It's okay when their side does it, bad when the other does it. That the answer you thought I'd say?
;)

No. You seem raging mad at this woman in the video. I asked if you were just as upset when the shoe was on the other foot. It's a simple answer but if you want to deflect one can assume that maybe you just didn't mind when the left threatened Bush/Cheney.

548 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:22pm

re: #529 reine.de.tout

I have an overflow of patient today, for some reason.
Just trying to spread it around.

You're a better woman, than I am. But THAT's not news!
:D

549 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:36pm

re: #539 ggt

What is it Bill Cosby said about children?

Give 'em time. He'll build up some nice scales --mostly of scar tissue.

Such is life.

550 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:46pm

re: #545 Slumbering Behemoth

Killgore deserves a lot of credit for that.

551 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:56pm

re: #513 Obdicut

There can only be one extraterrestrial savior.

/begins watching Farscape.

Could never get into that show. Something about the ship being alive--kinda gross.

552 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:09:57pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Next up - a comment about Scotsmen and sheep.

To be followed by Ice and Jimmah making haggis out of the firecat's guts.

Pretty sure I've updinged comments about Scots and sheep-- albeit adding the caveat that it's the Aussies and kiwis who go for that. /

553 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:22pm

re: #535 jamesfirecat

Yeah I thought that the fact that I used the jaunty tune from the Simpsons would make it clear that I wasn't serious...

you said this way up at #368....you have you time tag confused

"There's a lotta flag burners who have too much freedom
I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat em
Cause there's limits to our liberty!:

554 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:24pm

re: #548 Floral Giraffe

You're a better woman, than I am. But THAT's not news!
:D

{Flo}
You are so sweet.

555 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:34pm

re: #550 jaunte

Killgore deserves a lot of credit for that.

Absolutely.

556 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:36pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

Well, goddammnit.

That's what I make of it.

557 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:10:55pm

re: #552 iceweasel

Pretty sure I've updinged comments about Scots and sheep-- albeit adding the caveat that it's the Aussies and kiwis who go for that. /

Sides the only joke I know along those lines involves marines and naval officers....

558 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:01pm

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

No. You seem raging mad at this woman in the video. I asked if you were just as upset when the shoe was on the other foot. It's a simple answer but if you want to deflect one can assume that maybe you just didn't mind when the left threatened Bush/Cheney.

Huh??? I think you've got me confused with someone else???
:confused:

559 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:07pm

re: #552 iceweasel

Sometimes it gets lonely in the Highlands Outback.

560 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:25pm

re: #3 albusteve

people are really getting bold these days...personally I'd consider that a threat and would retaliate...legally and with a PR slam that fuck would never forget

re: #4 albusteve

it's just a joke...c'mon

re: #15 jamesfirecat

I can't reconcile your #3 and #4, how do you?

In answer to James' question, Steve doesn't reconcile #3 and #4. He just ignores it. Well, almost.

re: #79 albusteve

no, but someone should throw a major fit on principle

561 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:41pm

re: #557 jamesfirecat

Sides the only joke I know along those lines involves marines and naval officers...

Suggestion:
Quit. While. You. Are. Ahead.

And good night, all!

562 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:55pm

re: #540 jamesfirecat

Not likely I'm part Scottish myself on my maternal side... been three our four generations since my family left though...

Now if you had said paternal, I might think you were the son of Jimmah and iceweasel. It's like they named you after themselves sort of, but fire instead of ice.

563 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:57pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Next up - a comment about Scotsmen and sheep.

To be followed by Ice and Jimmah making haggis out of the firecat's guts.

If JFC posts something like that, this will be the result:

564 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:11:58pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

What do you make of this?

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

Also, I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in an 'exclusive' of CBN's.

565 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:01pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Next up - a comment about Scotsmen and sheep.

To be followed by Ice and Jimmah making haggis out of the firecat's guts.

Scotsman have sheep that live in trees! I KNOW it's true, I saw it on Monty Python!

Pass the haggis!

566 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:21pm

re: #518 albusteve

that's no excuse...there should be a mandatory lurk period before you come on here and state you want to beat up flag burners and bend freedom of speech laws to your own will...there are nasty names for people like that

Lots of people read LGF for months, or years even, before they reg. Just sayin'.

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:12:21pm

re: #518 albusteve

that's no excuse...there should be a mandatory lurk period before you come on here and state you want to beat up flag burners and bend freedom of speech laws to your own will...there are nasty names for people like that

No, as long as he learns and accepts the lessons eventually.

We have to see growth --otherwise he'll build-up too much scar tissue and asphyxiate.

568 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:13:02pm

re: #493 RadicalModerate

Looks like some more details are starting to surface regarding the "Feed the Children" scam charity ministry, complete with charges of tax evasion, incest-related porn, and racist emails.

Link's from CBS, but there's lots of quoted material in here:

Exclusive: CBS News Investigation into a Billion-Dollar-a-Year Charity That Solicited Aid for Haiti

"Only 21-23 percent of your cash donations that people give actually go to program services," Attkisson said. "

Sounds fair./

569 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #521 Dark_Falcon

It was a spacejesus riff, but several of us still downding Spacejesus for those riffs. Both SJ and JFC are basically good people, but sometimes they act like asses and when they do they get downdinged.

peer pressure can work in positive ways.

570 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:13:18pm

re: #464 ggt

Wilson?

Nasty racist pig who should have never been allowed near the white house?

/ unfortunately, not. he segregated DC for example. Teddy Roosevelt, for all his flaws, was probably more of a progressive than any of the others.

William

571 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:13:43pm

re: #560 Olsonist

follow along...my position is quite clear, and I don't need to explain my sarc to anybody...your silly little backhand is futile

572 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:02pm

re: #558 Varek Raith

Huh??? I think you've got me confused with someone else???
:confused:

Sorry about that. Now I'm confused. It's past midnight.

573 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:09pm

re: #561 reine.de.tout

Suggestion:
Quit. While. You. Are. Ahead.

And good night, all!

Don't worry no intention of telling it, one post so bad it gets me two down ding storms a night is more than enough for me....

Someday I'll have Karma equal to twice my number of posts... someday...

574 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:14pm

Evan wins the gold!

I was so totally not expecting that, but he gave a great performance and he deserved it. But Yevgeny wins the gold medal for Teh Sexy.

575 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:18pm

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking only for myself, I deplore and denounce that kind of crap regardless of the admin. or the source.

576 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:41pm

re: #569 ggt

peer pressure can work in positive ways.

Heh, just a warning, I react very poorly to peer pressure. In other words, I do the opposite of what my 'peers' are pressuring me to do.
;)

577 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:51pm

re: #389 NJDhockeyfan

So the story must not be true?

Let's just say that it appears to be a source that one might not accept alone. Like Debbie Schlussel. (HI DEBBIE!!!)

The fact that Fox has also picked it up gives it more credibility.

578 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:14:57pm

re: #572 NJDhockeyfan

Sorry about that. Now I'm confused. It's past midnight.

No problem!
:)

579 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:01pm

re: #538 The Shadow Do

Did you forget the sarc tag?

yeah.

580 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:23pm

re: #573 jamesfirecat

Don't worry no intention of telling it, one post so bad it gets me two down ding storms a night is more than enough for me...

Someday I'll have Karma equal to twice my number of posts... someday...

You already have more karma than posts, so you're doing something right.

581 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:55pm

re: #570 wlewisiii

Nasty racist pig who should have never been allowed near the white house?

/ unfortunately, not. he segregated DC for example. Teddy Roosevelt, for all his flaws, was probably more of a progressive than any of the others.

William

I'll second that. And he gave us parks.

582 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:15:58pm

re: #493 RadicalModerate

Looks like some more details are starting to surface regarding the "Feed the Children" scam charity ministry, complete with charges of tax evasion, incest-related porn, and racist emails.

Link's from CBS, but there's lots of quoted material in here:

Exclusive: CBS News Investigation into a Billion-Dollar-a-Year Charity That Solicited Aid for Haiti

Sheesh. It's amazing how many bad actors the Haiti tragedy has brought to light. Based on the article media companies should think long and hard about not accepting their ad buys in the future.

583 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:16:00pm

re: #557 jamesfirecat

Sides the only joke I know along those lines involves marines and naval officers...

Do you know the first rule of holes?
You NEED to look it up.
Seriously.
I'm NOT a fan of yours, but looking this up, might save you some wear & tear on the beatings. If you care.

584 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:16:06pm

re: #566 iceweasel

Lots of people read LGF for months, or years even, before they reg. Just sayin'.

And some people have been here for years and do nothing but spout crap all day long. Not mentioning any names...!

585 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:16:12pm

re: #566 iceweasel

Lots of people read LGF for months, or years even, before they reg. Just sayin'.

I don't really believe in some mandatory lurk, that's an old spoof...I'm trying to get a grip on how things have changed around here, and I'm slower than most I guess

586 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:16:16pm

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

Remember all those anti-war moonbats protesting Bill Clinton's military attacks on Iraq?

Me neither.

I do, actually, but I live in moonbat country.

587 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:19pm

re: #564 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in an 'exclusive' of CBN's.

Apparently you are not alone.

Here is the latest:

Possible Fort Jackson threat probed

The Army has been looking for two months into allegations an attempt was being made to poison soldiers at Fort Jackson through the food supply, but a spokesman says no credible information to support the allegations has been found.

Army spokesman Lt. Col. Christopher Garver said the investigation has been going on "for almost two months" at Fort Jackson outside Columbia. It wasn't clear who made the allegations or whether any soldiers had been sickened.

A local law enforcement official familiar with the reports who insisted on anonymity said Thursday that there was no attempt made to poison any soldiers, adding a rumor started when several disgruntled soldiers shot their mouths off late last year.

There was never any threat, nothing credible, he insisted.

Fox News and The Christian Broadcasting Network reported that five suspects were detained in December and were part of an Arabic translation program called "09 Lima." According to an article in the Army Times, "The 09 Lima program puts native speakers of Arabic, Dari, Pashtu, Farsi or Kurdish in uniform to serve alongside troops in combat."

Garver said he could not release any specifics of the investigation by the Army's Criminal Investigative Service to protect its integrity.

"I can say that, according to CID spokespersons, they have not found any credible information to substantiate the allegations," Garver, who's based at the Pentagon, said in an e-mail.

He said he is unaware of any arrests made in the investigation.

Fort Jackson puts more than 50,000 men and women through entry-level and advanced training courses every year. Its food service spans an array of some 13 dining halls and about 40,000 hot meals are served on the base daily.

588 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:41pm

re: #573 jamesfirecat

Don't worry no intention of telling it, one post so bad it gets me two down ding storms a night is more than enough for me...

Someday I'll have Karma equal to twice my number of posts... someday...

Best of luck, fool.

589 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:43pm

re: #550 jaunte

Killgore deserves a lot of credit for that.

He deserves MAD credit for that, which is why I always drop his name when the subject comes up.

Those of us who did not knee-jerk into vitriolic defense mode, and instead decided to dig into the issue a little deeper ourselves, deserve a little bit of credit too.

590 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:17:44pm

re: #580 Dark_Falcon

You already have more karma than posts, so you're doing something right.

Yeah and I managed to win several 4 and 5+ karma posts so long as I was ragging on South Carolina for being the home of the Southern Treason and not.... other things....

591 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:18:56pm

re: #571 albusteve

follow along...my position is quite clear, and I don't need to explain my sarc to anybody...your silly little backhand is futile

So you were baiting him. Say something unclear and then jump on him. How adult of you.

592 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:19:04pm

re: #584 Jimmah

And some people have been here for years and do nothing but spout crap all day long. Not mentioning any names...!

Hi SweetPea!
LOL!

593 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:19:35pm

Night all!

594 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:20:30pm

re: #573 jamesfirecat

Don't worry no intention of telling it, one post so bad it gets me two down ding storms a night is more than enough for me...

Someday I'll have Karma equal to twice my number of posts... someday...

well that's the whole point eh?...popularity at LGF, it's addicting isn't it?...surrounded by all these newcomers and dingdongers....it must be irresistable, the sweet allure of attention

595 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:20:59pm

re: #590 jamesfirecat

Yeah and I managed to win several 4 and 5+ karma posts so long as I was ragging on South Carolina for being the home of the Southern Treason and not... other things...

So, what exactly is it, that you think you can do with your Karma?
Win friends & influence people?
Buy cute puppies?
What do you think your Karma is worth?

596 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:11pm

Doesn't anybody want to talk about the Olympics?

597 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:26pm

re: #594 albusteve

well that's the whole point eh?...popularity at LGF, it's addicting isn't it?...surrounded by all these newcomers and dingdongers...it must be irresistable, the sweet allure of attention

No, I see it as a measure of my ability to make leftist statements that can be recognized for their intelligence/humor by those on the right....

598 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:41pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

So, what exactly is it, that you think you can do with your Karma?
Win friends & influence people?
Buy cute puppies?
What do you think your Karma is worth?

I was promised a toaster...
:P

599 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:58pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

So, what exactly is it, that you think you can do with your Karma?
Win friends & influence people?
Buy cute puppies?
What do you think your Karma is worth?

I thought we could redeem it for bottlecaps or sumpin. :(

600 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:21:58pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

So, what exactly is it, that you think you can do with your Karma?
Win friends & influence people?
Buy cute puppies?
What do you think your Karma is worth?

You know my "answer"

every time I bring it up you rag on me for it.

I looked up first law of holes, allow me to follow it.

601 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:22:15pm

re: #591 Olsonist

So you were baiting him. Say something unclear and then jump on him. How adult of you.

so you went through 400+ posts to come up with that?...ignoring people is not baiting...my posts were clear as a bell on the topic...go do something else

602 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:22:21pm

re: #465 Slumbering Behemoth

Not "That's what I'd like to see happen to her political career", but "that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray".

I'll repeat--the people defending this as sheer hyperbole would be PISSED OFF if the political tables were turned. If some marginal left-winger had said this about Scott Brown, we would be hearing about the atrocities of every Commie back to Karl from many of the same folks now dismissing this lady.

Which is not to say I want her arrested. I do, however, think that the Senator might want to take out a restraining order.

603 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:22:37pm

re: #596 Alouette

Doesn't anybody want to talk about the Olympics?

No martial arts competitions = No Behemoth interest.

604 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:22:44pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

So, what exactly is it, that you think you can do with your Karma?
Win friends & influence people?
Buy cute puppies?
What do you think your Karma is worth?

What if your an asshole and your karma is high because a lot of assholes like your posts? Does that make you popular or just popular among assholes?

605 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:23:00pm

re: #596 Alouette

Doesn't anybody want to talk about the Olympics?

Go USA!

606 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:23:18pm

re: #603 Slumbering Behemoth

No martial arts competitions = No Behemoth interest.

Martial arts is in the summer games.

607 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:23:19pm

re: #477 The Shadow Do

And no, James, that was not a death threat unless you choose to remain confused on the matter.

The woman said she wanted to hang a U.S. senator. OK, let's not call that a death threat. A very disturbing fantasy, then?

608 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:23:40pm

re: #596 Alouette

Doesn't anybody want to talk about the Olympics?

Who won the high jump?

609 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:23:53pm

re: #604 NJDhockeyfan

What if your an asshole and your karma is high because a lot of assholes like your posts? Does that make you popular or just popular among assholes?

Like all the banned assholes who had super-high karma and are now posting merrily with other banned assholes?

610 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:02pm

re: #608 The Shadow Do

Who won the high jump?

Shaun White.

611 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:08pm

re: #481 NJDhockeyfan

Did you get this upset when left-wing protesters made similar threats about GWB & Cheney.

Were you so blase?

612 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:17pm

re: #603 Slumbering Behemoth

Martial arts with skates would be pretty wild.

613 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:19pm

re: #603 Slumbering Behemoth

No martial arts competitions = No Behemoth interest.

I confess...I watched the Japanese curling team because they got cute women....

614 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:26pm

re: #601 albusteve

so you went through 400+ posts to come up with that?...ignoring people is not baiting...my posts were clear as a bell on the topic...go do something else

Have you ever tried not being an ass?

615 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:50pm

re: #612 jaunte

Martial arts with skates would be pretty wild.

That's Japanese hockey.

616 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:24:56pm

re: #607 SanFranciscoZionist

The woman said she wanted to hang a U.S. senator. OK, let's not call that a death threat. A very disturbing fantasy, then?

Exactly.

617 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:06pm

re: #601 albusteve

so you went through 400+ posts to come up with that?...ignoring people is not baiting...my posts were clear as a bell on the topic...go do something else

Dang. So if I look through all of your erudite posts I'll find even one with a legal definition of free speech rights and incitement exceptions? I don't think so but it isn't worth my time.

You were baiting.

618 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:07pm

re: #597 jamesfirecat

No, I see it as a measure of my ability to make leftist statements that can be recognized for their intelligence/humor by those on the right...

well you're wrong...ding dongs are actually asked for, and handed out regardless of post content....it measures nothing but numbers, and proves nothing in reality

619 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:09pm

re: #589 Slumbering Behemoth

He deserves MAD credit for that, which is why I always drop his name when the subject comes up.

Those of us who did not knee-jerk into vitriolic defense mode, and instead decided to dig into the issue a little deeper ourselves, deserve a little bit of credit too.

What did I do? I've been eating pasta and salmon and haven't been paying attention. I hope I did something nice.

620 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:12pm

re: #604 NJDhockeyfan

What if your an asshole and your karma is high because a lot of assholes like your posts? Does that make you popular or just popular among assholes?

So you'd define iceweasel and SFZ as assholes, because they seem to be two of my most frequent updingers....

621 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:29pm

re: #542 Obdicut

Three Englishman walk into a bar and spot a Welshman sitting alone at a table.

One fellow said to the others, 'Let's pick a fight with that Welshman over there.'
His partner replied, 'Wait, we don't want to be arrested. Let's make him start the fight.'
The third Englishman said, 'Wait here chaps. I know how to do it.'

He went over to the Welshman and said, 'St David was a flippin' sissy.'
To this the Welshman replied, 'Ah well you don't say!' and calmly resumed drinking his beer.

The second Englishman now tried his luck and said to the Welshman, 'St David was a stupid fool that wore a dress!'
The Welshman again replied, 'You're very sharp, you don't say!' and calmly resumed drinking his beer.

The last Englishman told his friends he knew how to rile the Welshman and bounced up to the table and yelled, 'St David was an Englishman!'

The Welshman replied, calmly, 'That's what your mates were trying to tell me.'

Didn't Monty Python or somebody do a skit about some ridiculous Welsh method of martial arts?

I remember larfing my arse off.

622 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:48pm

re: #611 SanFranciscoZionist

Were you so blase?

Actually I was. I laughed at them and made fun of them. I didn't get angry and upset. It's not good for your health to let some idiots raise your blood pressure.

623 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:48pm

re: #600 jamesfirecat

You know my "answer"

every time I bring it up you rag on me for it.

I looked up first law of holes, allow me to follow it.

I think FG wants you to keep digging. She hopes you'll make yourself China's problem.

624 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:50pm

re: #592 Floral Giraffe

Hi SweetPea!
LOL!

Hi there. I'm about done for the night I'm afraid!

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:25:54pm

re: #514 NJDhockeyfan

The Tea Party didn't exists then and you didn't answer my question. I probably already know the answer.

The Tea Party didn't exist because these overwrought patriots didn't care about any of their issues until a Democrat was in the White House.

626 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:26:34pm

Good night folks - oh btw if any strange men appear telling you that they want to show you their puppies - for pity's sake don't go with them! ;-)

627 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:26:41pm

re: #625 SanFranciscoZionist

The Tea Party didn't exist because these overwrought patriots didn't care about any of their issues until a black Democrat was in the White House.

Slightly amended.

628 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:26:44pm

re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist

I try my level best to remain consistent in my outlook on certain topics. I don't always succeed, but I think my batting average for consistency is pretty good.

Participating in discussions here has sharpened me up some in that regard. I am grateful for that.

629 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:02pm

re: #608 The Shadow Do

Who won the high jump?

mumblejerkmumble...the Voss babe won the downhill for the USA yesterday....the second most exciting event...pretty cool

630 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:11pm

re: #621 Cato the Elder

This is the only Python Wales sketch I know.

631 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:15pm

re: #621 Cato the Elder

The lost Welsh martial art LAPP-GOCH!

632 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:27:43pm

re: #588 Floral Giraffe

Best of luck, fool.

Well I know you're gonna try and stop me every step of the way.

Seriously what was so down dingable about

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." In regards of how there are a lot of groups out there with "patriot" in the name who are anything but patriotic?

633 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:28:08pm

re: #629 albusteve

mumblejerkmumble...the Voss babe won the downhill for the USA yesterday...the second most exciting event...pretty cool

But she crashed in the slalom, and the German girl took the gold for the combined event.

634 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:28:36pm

Oh, and her name is Vonn, not Voss.

635 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:28:53pm

re: #632 jamesfirecat

FG's a Siren, man! Don't fall for it!11!!
;)

636 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:29:21pm

re: #607 SanFranciscoZionist

The woman said she wanted to hang a U.S. senator. OK, let's not call that a death threat. A very disturbing fantasy, then?

I would agree but that's nothing compared to the people who went as far as to make this movie.

637 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #614 b_sharp

Have you ever tried not being an ass?

I don't care what others think...I'm an ass because someone says I am?...go back and read the posts....I disregarded one sarcastic reply...one...it's not a set up or some ploy....you folks are reaching because you don't like me...too bad I guess

638 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:29:58pm

re: #610 Alouette

Shaun White.

Uh, what does he, well, do?

639 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:30:35pm

Sorry for the repost, but I want to cleat up another common misunderstanding about science.

Is science ever settled?

While on a purely philosophical level, science is never settled, there is the real world of collected observations that make a consistent picture. That does for all intents and purposes, outside of the purely philosophical indeed get settled eventually.

What I mean by that, is that certain things have so very much observation behind them that one approaches what I will call a Cartesian limit.

By a Cartesian limit, I mean that the only way that all of those observations from so many different sources and tracks of understanding could all be consistently lying to us, is if we were actually living in a world that was dominated by something fooling all of our senses and instruments all of the time. The "evil genius" of Descartes would be the "real story." In more pedestrian terms, the only way that the "real world" could be different than all the data and observation we have is if we were all living in the Matrix.

An example of this might be the notion that the Earth is round.

There is no new discovery short of something that invalidates all other discoveries that could possibly change that. Another example might be that the Earth orbits the sun. Again, the only way for that not to be true, given all of the evidence that we have of it being true would be if everything, and by everything, I mean literally everything else was a lie.

So, as a purely philosophical argument, yes indeed, science is never fully settled and indeed we all might be disembodied brains floating on a ship somewhere being fed a virtual reality that completely fools our senses and makes a false virtual world.

That is true. However, it is unlikely and certainly useless to debate. For those who like to get lost in Cartesian doubt, I say stub your toe. It hurts doesn't it? The pain is real enough.

640 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:30:36pm

re: #604 NJDhockeyfan

What if your an asshole and your karma is high because a lot of assholes like your posts? Does that make you popular or just popular among assholes?

Some terribly uncharitable statements about former Lizards are running through my mind, so I'll just shut up now. Suffice to say that avanti is proof that that also goes the other way.

641 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:30:44pm

re: #600 jamesfirecat

You know my "answer"

every time I bring it up you rag on me for it.

I looked up first law of holes, allow me to follow it.

Good for you!
You're learning!
Not said or meant sarcastically.

642 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:03pm

re: #619 Killgore Trout

Pretty much the same thing you always do, "speaking truth to stupid".

We were talking about the yeoman's work you did early on in exposing the Tea Party loons for the Paul-bot/troofers they are.

643 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:25pm

re: #635 Varek Raith

FG's a Siren, man! Don't fall for it!11!!
;)

Sorry, it's not just that FG doesn't seem to like me, (no laws against that) but FGnever really bothers to argue with me and spends much more time talking about me than talking to me....

644 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:46pm

re: #620 jamesfirecat

So you'd define iceweasel and SFZ as assholes, because they seem to be two of my most frequent updingers...

I just like you 'cause you remind me of my students!

645 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:47pm

re: #617 Olsonist

Dang. So if I look through all of your erudite posts I'll find even one with a legal definition of free speech rights and incitement exceptions? I don't think so but it isn't worth my time.

You were baiting.

in your opinion...but then again you are a stalker, obsessed with me, trying to find some way to embarrass me or smack me down....your a friggin weirdo, and hardly the first

646 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:31:48pm

re: #604 NJDhockeyfan

What if your an asshole and your karma is high because a lot of assholes like your posts? Does that make you popular or just popular among assholes?

Yes....

647 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:32:18pm

re: #622 NJDhockeyfan

Actually I was. I laughed at them and made fun of them. I didn't get angry and upset. It's not good for your health to let some idiots raise your blood pressure.

My blood pressure is actually lower than it should be. I try to use politics as an antidote.

648 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:32:45pm

re: #608 The Shadow Do

Who won the high jump?

A white man?
//must I??

649 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:32:50pm

re: #634 Alouette

Oh, and her name is Vonn, not Voss.

my bad...Lindsey Vonn....premier skiier

650 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:03pm

re: #625 SanFranciscoZionist

The Tea Party didn't exist because these overwrought patriots didn't care about any of their issues until a Democrat was in the White House.

A lot of those overwrought patriots voted for the current president and helped the Dems control both houses by voting them in. They were mad at the Repuplicans then and are now mad at the Dems. The only difference is now they are called racists because they don't like what Washington is currently doing.

651 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:05pm

re: #627 iceweasel

Slightly amended.

Dunno. I see the racial element, but I also recall the pure hysterics over Clinton, who, pace Toni Morrison, was white.

652 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:23pm

re: #647 SanFranciscoZionist

My blood pressure is actually lower than it should be. I try to use politics as an antidote.

Politics = Comedy in my warped mind.
:)

653 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:33:49pm

re: #619 Killgore Trout

What did I do? I've been eating pasta and salmon and haven't been paying attention. I hope I did something nice.

You did.
Now you have to backtrack to figure out, what it was!
LOL!

654 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:34:05pm

re: #648 Floral Giraffe

A white man?
//must I??

I ain't buyin' that, just ain't...

655 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:34:10pm

re: #638 The Shadow Do

Uh, what does he, well, do?

Snowboarder, runs the halfpipe.re: #638 The Shadow Do

Uh, what does he, well, do?

Snowboarding halfpipe event.

656 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:34:15pm

re: #642 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, I was lucky on that one. It could have gone either way.

657 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:34:16pm

re: #636 NJDhockeyfan

I would agree but that's nothing compared to the people who went as far as to make this movie.

That was absolutely disgusting. Not made by an American filmmaker, thank God.

658 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:34:39pm

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

A local law enforcement official familiar with the reports who insisted on anonymity said Thursday that there was no attempt made to poison any soldiers, adding a rumor started when several disgruntled soldiers shot their mouths off late last year.

There was never any threat, nothing credible, he insisted.

It's starting to sound like beside CBN jumping the gun with irresponsible and totally blown out a proportion reporting, their "a source with intimate knowledge of the investigation" is kind of an asshole. That person gave them an official terrorist cell sounding name (the "Fort Jackson Five"), suggested possible contact with jihadis in Pakistan and described them with enough detail that I imagine this is going to lead to a great deal of harassment.

659 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:35:04pm

re: #624 Jimmah

Nice to have you visit!
Sleep tight!
How's the shoulder?
Better, I hope!

660 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:35:10pm

re: #639 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey, I answered you down there but I'll repost too! :)

You know, Cartesian doubt never persuaded anyone to go ahead and stick their own hand in the fire, any more than Humean scepticism could persuade Hume to jump out his window.

Philosophical scepticism has its place-- a very circumscribed one. We can talk in the abstract about how we don't know there is such a thing as cause and effect-- but we don't live that way. For good reason.

Good to see you as ever, Ludwig baby. How goes it?

661 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:35:10pm

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Ah, I was lucky on that one. It could have gone either way.

we got you covered...a few of us anyway

662 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:35:23pm

re: #639 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello, Ludwig. What's your take on this latest Tea Party disaster. Do you think its criminal or not?

663 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:36:00pm

re: #626 Jimmah

Good night folks - oh btw if any strange men appear telling you that they want to show you their puppies - for pity's sake don't go with them! ;-)

[Video]

Are you kidding, Ice'd KILL us!
//

664 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:36:21pm

re: #655 Alouette

Snowboarding halfpipe event.


[Video]

He killed it. Thanks for posting.

665 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:36:32pm

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Go ahead and be all modest and shit. Damn. Freakin' buzzkill.

666 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:36:42pm

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

A lot of those overwrought patriots voted for the current president and helped the Dems control both houses by voting them in. They were mad at the Repuplicans then and are now mad at the Dems. The only difference is now they are called racists because they don't like what Washington is currently doing.

Oh, I don't think that's the only difference.

667 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:37:03pm

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

A lot of those overwrought patriots voted for the current president and helped the Dems control both houses by voting them in. They were mad at the Repuplicans then and are now mad at the Dems. The only difference is now they are called racists because they don't like what Washington is currently doing.

I truly don't know if it's a lot. In my own extended family I have an Obama voter turned tea partier (has been to one that I heard of), but I thought he was an oddity.

668 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:37:47pm

re: #635 Varek Raith

FG's a Siren, man! Don't fall for it!11!!
;)

Heh!
I've never been called anything like THAT before.
Thank you, I think!
;)

669 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:38:28pm

re: #660 iceweasel

Hey, I answered you down there but I'll repost too! :)

You know, Cartesian doubt never persuaded anyone to go ahead and stick their own hand in the fire, any more than Humean scepticism could persuade Hume to jump out his window.


I remember sticking my hand in the fire, and jumping off the roof, but it didn't have anything to do with philosophers.

670 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:39:09pm

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

A lot of those overwrought patriots voted for the current president and helped the Dems control both houses by voting them in. They were mad at the Repuplicans then and are now mad at the Dems. The only difference is now they are called racists because they don't like what Washington is currently doing.

No, they're called racist because they speak about 'gelding' the President and clap at the idea of sending him "back to Africa". Those are racist actions.

671 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:39:13pm

re: #655 Alouette

Snowboarding halfpipe event.

[Video]


Thanks! I would not know a half pipe from a crack pipe though. Is there a half crack pipe event?

672 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:39:40pm

re: #660 iceweasel

Hey, I answered you down there but I'll repost too! :)

You know, Cartesian doubt never persuaded anyone to go ahead and stick their own hand in the fire, any more than Humean scepticism could persuade Hume to jump out his window.

Philosophical scepticism has its place-- a very circumscribed one. We can talk in the abstract about how we don't know there is such a thing as cause and effect-- but we don't live that way. For good reason.

Good to see you as ever, Ludwig baby. How goes it?

I once ate a heaping spoonful of those pizza-parlor hot peppers on a bet.

673 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:39:53pm

celtics at lakers ... good game going on ...

674 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:40:13pm

re: #668 Floral Giraffe

Heh!
I've never been called anything like THAT before.
Thank you, I think!
;)

Sirens

675 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:41:27pm

re: #660 iceweasel

Hey, I answered you down there but I'll repost too! :)

You know, Cartesian doubt never persuaded anyone to go ahead and stick their own hand in the fire, any more than Humean scepticism could persuade Hume to jump out his window.

Philosophical scepticism has its place-- a very circumscribed one. We can talk in the abstract about how we don't know there is such a thing as cause and effect-- but we don't live that way. For good reason.

Good to see you as ever, Ludwig baby. How goes it?

It goes great. But it is interesting to note that the deniers are reduced to playing on Cartesian doubt to peddle their shit about AGW. We are all quite certainly sticking our hands in the fire now.

The added issue with science though is that people are usually not interested in conditional thinking.

For example, the article down there discussed people asking if F does not always equal ma.

Who am I to say that there is not somewhere, somehow a bizarre limit of some field equations where that would not be the case.

However, if that were true, that would not stop f from actually equaling ma in all other circumstances.

It is like Newton and Einstein. Newton was not wrong. Einstein's equations contain Newton's equations. Quite literally, Newton's equations are a limiting case. In fact it is called the weak field limit, and that is actually most of thee universe. If you get near a super massive body, OK you will see relativistic effects. Everywhere else, you are stuck with Newton, who is as correct now as he was almost 400 years ago.

676 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:42:21pm

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

No, they're called racist because they speak about 'gelding' the President and clap at the idea of sending him "back to Africa". Those are racist actions.

And so far we have seen little to no objection from the group as a whole to that kind of crap. Silence. Consent.

677 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:42:34pm

re: #672 Cato the Elder

I once ate a heaping spoonful of those pizza-parlor hot peppers on a bet.

Not surprised. :)

Seriously, people do silly things, but not because they're moved by the idea that causality can't be metaphysically established or because we can't rule out Descartes' daemon.

678 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:42:45pm

re: #662 Dark_Falcon

Hello, Ludwig. What's your take on this latest Tea Party disaster. Do you think its criminal or not?

I think it is evil.

I think these are mad people who do not care who they hurt and who prattle like deranged children. I think the overall mentality of the tea partiers is one step away from the mentality of Hamas in terms of unthinking fanaticism, anger and blind stupidity.

679 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:43:12pm

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

No, they're called racist because they speak about 'gelding' the President and clap at the idea of sending him "back to Africa". Those are racist actions.

people just don't seem to like BO anymore, not that they ever did...this was all predicted, it's no surprise

680 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:43:14pm

re: #675 LudwigVanQuixote

In fact it is called the weak field limit, and that is actually most of thee thy universe.

FTFY

681 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:43:24pm

From the Austin plane attack today comes a great story.

Heroic Rescue Effort by Civilian

Robin DeHaven climbed into burning building in Austin to save five victims after plane crashed into it

I heard the interview today. This guy deserves a medal for what he did.

682 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:44:09pm

re: #679 albusteve

people just don't seem to like BO anymore, not that they ever did...this was all predicted, it's no surprise

More with the closet racism Steve. Didn't we go over this with you last night?

683 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:44:44pm

re: #677 iceweasel

Not surprised. :)

Seriously, people do silly things, but not because they're moved by the idea that causality can't be metaphysically established or because we can't rule out Descartes' daemon.

or discount jugs of Margaritas!....woot!

684 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:44:53pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

What has always terrified me about lynchings is how often they were not a secret crime. These things were done in broad daylight, with no fear of the law, often with women and children in attendence.

People took photographs. Souvenirs.

Something to think about when we talk about how society has declined.

One of my male relatives, long deceased, actually participated in the barbaric lynching of Jesse Washington in Waco in 1920. He seemed wholly unrepentant even as an old man in the 1970s. I get the feeling that a kind of folk status attached itself to lynchers in those days, and may have contributed to a discernible increase in the cruelty and barbarity of the murders as time went on. In any case, they were known to boast of their savagery, in an apparent attempt to outdo each other in their capacity for horrifying listeners.

My great uncle Sam Rayburn was also related to this person. Sam was already a sitting member of Congress at the time of lynching and was so horrified he never spoke to that particular relative again for the rest of his life (Sam died first, in 1961).

685 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:45:15pm

re: #680 Cato the Elder

FTFY

LOL, I meant the, but thy is an interesting choice.

686 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:45:22pm

re: #682 Olsonist

It's possible not to like Obama, and not to be a racist at the same time.

687 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:45:55pm

re: #686 jaunte

It's possible not to like Obama, and not to be a racist at the same time.

How?

688 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:46:06pm

re: #682 Olsonist

More with the closet racism Steve. Didn't we go over this with you last night?

I'm no racist...you are stalking

689 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:46:27pm

re: #686 jaunte

It's possible not to like Obama, and not to be a racist at the same time.

It is but Steve was demurring about a post about gelding him and sending him back to Africa.

690 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:46:47pm

re: #682 Olsonist

You can't make accusations like that and not back it up...

691 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:46:51pm

re: #688 albusteve

I'm no racist...you are stalking

No, I'm disagreeing.

692 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:46:53pm

re: #678 LudwigVanQuixote

I think it is evil.

I think these are mad people who do not care who they hurt and who prattle like deranged children. I think the overall mentality of the tea partiers is one step away from the mentality of Hamas in terms of unthinking fanaticism, anger and blind stupidity.

That would be a mighty big "one step" that leads to mass murder on a global scale.

But I may be wrong!

693 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:46:53pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

How?

Simple, every time you say "I have problem X with Obama" you then lay out "I have problem X because he's done action Y".

694 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:47:00pm

re: #689 Olsonist

It is but Steve was demurring about a post about gelding him and sending him back to Africa.

I don't like Obama.

695 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:47:08pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

Hi Walter. For instance, my father, whose grandson he loves is mixed-race like Obama, doesn't like Obama's politics.

696 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:47:28pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

How?


by criticizing him (with evidence) when he is wrong. but by also giving him credit when he deserves it

697 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:47:46pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

Awesome. I have my problems with him as well. National Health Care should have happened already and we should have left Iraq by now.

698 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:47:54pm

Has it occurred to the Tea Partiers that they are actually more like Shay's rebellion or the Whiskey rebellion?

The actual revolution was led by elites, like Thomas Jefferson, or men at the top of their fields, like John Adams.

The actual revolution was about not getting to vote on your supreme elected body, not about not liking the returns of the vote.

699 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:48:01pm

re: #692 The Shadow Do

That would be a mighty big "one step" that leads to mass murder on a global scale.

But I may be wrong!

Not doing anything about AGW leads to mass murder on a global scale.

I really wish that people would just pause a moment and think about what billions of deaths means.

Even Hitler only got millions.

700 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:48:11pm

re: #691 Olsonist

No, I'm disagreeing.

No, you are race-baiting and it's disgusting.

701 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:48:46pm

re: #689 Olsonist

It is but Steve was demurring about a post about gelding him and sending him back to Africa.

demurring?...hahaha!....you're sick...I do my laundry every two weeks with the Navajo so I can play with the kids...I don't like BO and whatever you want to extrapolate from that is your gig....stalker

702 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:48:51pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't like Obama.

Racist!

703 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:49:07pm

re: #696 _RememberTonyC

by criticizing him (with evidence) when he is wrong. but by also giving him credit when he deserves it

Well, no, I don't like Obama in general as a politician.

704 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:50:08pm

re: #679 albusteve

people just don't seem to like BO anymore, not that they ever did...this was all predicted, it's no surprise

Yeah, he was voted into office...somehow. But no one ever really LIKED him.

705 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:50:10pm

re: #697 Olsonist

Awesome. I have my problems with him as well. National Health Care should have happened already and we should have left Iraq by now.

It was the GOP that stopped health care reform. it wasn't Obama's fault of the Democrats fault.

706 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:50:17pm

re: #678 LudwigVanQuixote

I think it is evil.

I think these are mad people who do not care who they hurt and who prattle like deranged children. I think the overall mentality of the tea partiers is one step away from the mentality of Hamas in terms of unthinking fanaticism, anger and blind stupidity.

I am forced to concur. I wish it were not so, but facts must be faced.

707 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:50:43pm

re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, he was voted into office...somehow. But no one ever really LIKED him.

It was just that we all hated Jon McCain twice as much!

708 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:51:05pm

re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, he was voted into office...somehow. But no one ever really LIKED him.

How very odd. I didn't vote for the man, I don't agree with his political principles, but he comes across as a person that would be fine to meet.

709 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:51:11pm

re: #691 Olsonist

No, I'm disagreeing.

fuck your disagreement...you dislike me and are twisting my posts....it's laughable...my niece is mixed race, and she's in my will...you have no clue...you are creepy dude

710 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:51:32pm

re: #686 jaunte

It's possible not to like Obama, and not to be a racist at the same time.

It's also possible not to like Obama and to call racism racism when it's in front of your eyes. Many people on LGF demonstrate this fine ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

711 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:51:39pm

Unforgiven William H. Munny's Take on Killing a Man

"I've always been lucky when it comes to killing a man"
/I can't remember, I was drunk most of the time

712 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:52:13pm

re: #698 EmmmieG

Has it occurred to the Tea Partiers that they are actually more like Shay's rebellion or the Whiskey rebellion?

The actual revolution was led by elites, like Thomas Jefferson, or men at the top of their fields, like John Adams.

The actual revolution was about not getting to vote on your supreme elected body, not about not liking the returns of the vote.

This is a very good and insightful point.

America was not founded by Joe six pack.

America was founded by our best and brightest. It is also important to note that they were hard working and financially savvy people as well. The French Revolution had no shortage of intellect, but it did have a shortage of the temperance that comes from having to manage one's own affairs carefully.

We all know how that revolution turned out.

A purely "Joe six pack" revolution is even worse. Look at any of the communist nations or fascist takeovers to see how those came out.

713 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:52:16pm

U.N. agency fears Iran may be working on nuclear warhead

An International Atomic Energy Agency report expresses worry that Iran may be working on a nuclear warhead, despite a 2007 U.S. intelligence assessment that found the Islamic Republic stopped such work in 2003.

The United Nations' nuclear watchdog also confirmed that Iran had indeed enriched uranium to nearly 20 percent, a claim made by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during revolutionary anniversary festivities last week but rebuffed by the White House.

"We do not believe they have the capability to enrich to the degree they say they are enriching," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said at last Thursday's daily briefing.

But the IAEA report said that Iran had hit 19.8 percent enrichment on two days last week.

How is Gibbs going to spin this?

714 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:52:43pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't like Obama.

We've noticed.

We've ALSO noticed that you have not to date called for his castration, or demanded his birth certificate eighteen hundred times, or called for him to go back to Kenya.

715 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:52:49pm

re: #697 Olsonist

Awesome. I have my problems with him as well. National Health Care should have happened already and we should have left Iraq by now.

you're a closet racist then, by your own definition

716 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:53:04pm

re: #699 LudwigVanQuixote

Not doing anything about AGW leads to mass murder on a global scale.

I really wish that people would just pause a moment and think about what billions of deaths means.

Even Hitler only got millions.

Wow, Hitler and mass murder in 50 words or less. The Tea Party crowd is, well, not my cup of tea....but?

717 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:53:29pm

re: #697 Olsonist

Awesome. I have my problems with him as well. National Health Care should have happened already and we should have left Iraq by now.

Obama went into office with a framework already in place as to how we'd leave Iraq. He chose to follow it and give the government there the time it needs to build itself up some more. He did the decent thing. To have pulled out precipitously would have been weak and foolish.

718 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:53:55pm

If Albusteve is a racist, I am a Na'vi dragon-rider.

719 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:53:56pm

re: #714 SanFranciscoZionist

We've noticed.

We've ALSO noticed that you have not to date called for his castration, or demanded his birth certificate eighteen hundred times, or called for him to go back to Kenya.

Why would I say any of those things. Did Steve say those things?

720 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:53:57pm

re: #707 jamesfirecat

It was just that we all hated Jon McCain twice as much!

I always liked McCain...I just wasn't gonna vote for the man.

721 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:16pm

re: #703 Walter L. Newton

Well, no, I don't like Obama in general as a politician.

that is not racist

722 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:17pm

re: #709 albusteve

fuck your disagreement...you dislike me and are twisting my posts...it's laughable...my niece is mixed race, and she's in my will...you have no clue...you are creepy dude

Gee. My niece is mixed race too. And so am I.

723 solomonpanting  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:22pm

re: #699 LudwigVanQuixote

Not doing anything about AGW leads to mass murder on a global scale.

For the sake of your integrity, I sure hope you're correct.

724 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:37pm

re: #721 _RememberTonyC

that is not racist

How do you know?

725 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:38pm

re: #710 SanFranciscoZionist

It's also possible not to like Obama and to call racism racism when it's in front of your eyes. Many people on LGF demonstrate this fine ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

I disagree with the implication that albusteve is supporting racism.

726 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:42pm

re: #722 Olsonist

Gee. My niece is mixed race too. And so am I.

So what do you want, a cookie?

727 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:54:50pm

re: #715 albusteve

you're a closet racist then, by your own definition

Actually, no, by your definition.

728 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:55:07pm

re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, he was voted into office...somehow. But no one ever really LIKED him.

many, several, tons of people that voted for him wouldn't again...I posted a poll from that liar Rasmussen

729 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:55:16pm

re: #718 Cato the Elder

If Albusteve is a racist, I am a Na'vi dragon-rider.

Good thing he's not, because I'm just not picturing you as a giant smurf. :D

730 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:55:53pm

re: #729 Dark_Falcon

Good thing he's not, because I'm just not picturing you as a giant smurf. :D

I've met Cato. He really is like a giant Smurf, except for the color.

731 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:57:22pm

re: #712 LudwigVanQuixote

Have you ever thought about the effect of Benjamin Franklin's printing career on the revolution?

You see, he was a very bright businessman. He knew that it would be bad for him to have his apprentices settle in Philadelphia, so after their apprenticeships were up, he would settle them in another town, paying their expenses in return for 1/3 the profit for 10 years (give or take; I'm too lazy to go and look up the details.) Eventually he made enough money to retire from printing.

In other words, by the time of the revolution, there was a network of printers who had been trained by Benjamin Franklin.

An old-fashioned tweet network, if you will.

732 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:57:27pm

re: #716 The Shadow Do

Wow, Hitler and mass murder in 50 words or less. The Tea Party crowd is, well, not my cup of tea...but?

Well, I am more talking about the consequences of these people taking power.

The terrible effects that they will have on American liberty, education and economics is secondary.

In fact it is not even a blip on the historical radar, if they gain power and prevent any action on AGW. They will waste another ten years doing nothing about AGW. They do not believe in it. They think science is something one has a choice to believe or not, like a religion.

If they gain power, they will prevent action until after we cross a tipping point.

NO other concern matters in the face of that. Billions die and America collapses. The tea partiers ill just make it so America surely has it coming on a moral as well as a scientific level..

733 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:57:37pm

re: #724 Walter L. Newton

How do you know?

because i agree and i'm not racist. i know one when i see one.

734 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:58:01pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

I've met Cato. He really is like a giant Smurf, except for the color.

And since I left your place, I've let my beard grow out.

Thinking about dying it orange. No particular reason.

735 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:58:15pm

re: #728 albusteve

many, several, tons of people that voted for him wouldn't again...I posted a poll from that liar Rasmussen

Odd you say that, his popularity even on Rasmussen has been improving recently and has been around 50% and holding steady for a few months on Gallup.

736 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:58:17pm

re: #719 Walter L. Newton

Why would I say any of those things. Did Steve say those things?

Not that I'm aware of, although Steve will say damn near anything sometimes, just to get people to react.

However, you started in with this 'if you criticize Obama, you get called a racist' business. That's not true. The people who get called racists are called racists because they are doing the stuff I mentioned and a whole lot more beside.

Just saying that you think Obama's doing a piss-poor job doesn't do it.

Now, I don't know what's going on with the rest of this conversation, but I'm bored with the 'you get called a racist if you don't like Obama' thing. You, Walter, for example, dislike Obama and are not a racist.

737 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:58:58pm

re: #723 solomonpanting

For the sake of your integrity, I sure hope you're correct.

I do not understand that comment.

As to my integrity...

I read the journals, the actual papers and look at actual data every day. I wish to G-d I were wrong. I wish to G-d the science were telling me, and the rest of the community something different.

I would love it if I were wrong.

738 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:59:07pm

re: #733 _RememberTonyC

because i agree and i'm not racist. i know one when i see one.

Really... that's funny, because you don't know me from shit. What, you assume that you have it all settled, you're the final judgement on who's racist and who's not? Mighty big of you.

739 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:59:40pm

re: #725 jaunte

I disagree with the implication that albusteve is supporting racism.

No, Steve is dismissing racism. It's part of his general 'why are you guys so hysterical?' routine that he is fond of these days. I'm not going to arm wrestle with him about.

740 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:59:43pm

What I want to know is, how does writing a nine-page suicide screed, setting fire to your house, and then purposely flying a plane into a government building not equal terrorism?

Is the argument that the guy was insane? Aren't terrorists insane by definition?

741 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 9:59:58pm

re: #736 SanFranciscoZionist

Not that I'm aware of, although Steve will say damn near anything sometimes, just to get people to react.

However, you started in with this 'if you criticize Obama, you get called a racist' business. That's not true. The people who get called racists are called racists because they are doing the stuff I mentioned and a whole lot more beside.

Just saying that you think Obama's doing a piss-poor job doesn't do it.

Now, I don't know what's going on with the rest of this conversation, but I'm bored with the 'you get called a racist if you don't like Obama' thing. You, Walter, for example, dislike Obama and are not a racist.

Don't ask Walter for reasoning. You won't get it.

742 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:00:02pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

From the Austin plane attack today comes a great story.

Heroic Rescue Effort by Civilian

I heard the interview today. This guy deserves a medal for what he did.

So shines a good deed in a weary world.

743 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:00:11pm

re: #739 SanFranciscoZionist

No, Steve is dismissing racism. It's part of his general 'why are you guys so hysterical?' routine that he is fond of these days. I'm not going to arm wrestle with him about.

Exactly.

744 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:00:31pm

re: #726 NJDhockeyfan

So what do you want, a cookie?

I can get a cookie for having a mixed-race niece? What about students? Can I get a cookie PER mixed-race student? I have a lot.

745 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:00:36pm

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

Really... that's funny, because you don't know me from shit. What, you assume that you have it all settled, you're the final judgement on who's racist and who's not? Mighty big of you.


sober up grandpa

746 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:00:37pm

re: #732 LudwigVanQuixote

Do you believe if Obama get Cap & Trade passed, America can single handedly save the planet from AGW by going green?

747 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:01:04pm

re: #728 albusteve

many, several, tons of people that voted for him wouldn't again...I posted a poll from that liar Rasmussen

OK, Steve. Everyone hates Obama. They always have and they always will.

Party on.

748 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:01:24pm

re: #736 SanFranciscoZionist

[snip]

However, you started in with this 'if you criticize Obama, you get called a racist' business. That's not true. The people who get called racists are called racists because they are doing the stuff I mentioned and a whole lot more beside.

[snip]

Really... where? Show me where I started in with saying that?

749 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:01:25pm

re: #722 Olsonist

Gee. My niece is mixed race too. And so am I.

you are a very, very small part of my LGF experience...I have no clue as to why you would attack me this way since I have no record, no past, no behavior that is racist, either straight up front or obliquely...I don't give a shit if you like me or not, but to stalk me and accuse me of something that just is not true is creepy and illegitimate...I have been around for a while and nowhere will you find even traces of racism...you are a freak alright

750 The Shadow Do  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:01:44pm

re: #732 LudwigVanQuixote

I find the beauty of America to be that no matter how insidious one group may be they are counterbalanced by another.

A very cool, and reassuring thing. No need to panic my friend,.

751 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:02:11pm

re: #745 _RememberTonyC

sober up grandpa

Sorry child, I don't drink a drop. I just want to know how you know I'm not racist?

752 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:02:28pm

re: #744 SanFranciscoZionist

I can get a cookie for having a mixed-race niece? What about students? Can I get a cookie PER mixed-race student? I have a lot.

I have a case of Girl Scout cookies in the den. What would you like?

753 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:02:34pm

re: #734 Cato the Elder

And since I left your place, I've let my beard grow out.

Thinking about dying it orange. No particular reason.

Flourescence is beautiful?

754 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:03:10pm

re: #752 NJDhockeyfan

I have a case of Girl Scout cookies in the den. What would you like?

Sah-mo-a! Sah-mo-a!

755 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:03:32pm

re: #740 Cato the Elder

What I want to know is, how does writing a nine-page suicide screed, setting fire to your house, and then purposely flying a plane into a government building not equal terrorism?

Is the argument that the guy was insane? Aren't terrorists insane by definition?

He acted alone, and I don't know if he actually acted with any idea of attempting to create change by his actions. Somewhere on the scale between terrorism and a really dramatic family killer/workplace killer.

756 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:03:34pm

re: #734 Cato the Elder

And since I left your place, I've let my beard grow out.

Thinking about dying it orange. No particular reason.

what a fucking kook...do it!

757 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:08pm

re: #737 LudwigVanQuixote

I do not understand that comment.

As to my integrity...

I read the journals, the actual papers and look at actual data every day. I wish to G-d I were wrong. I wish to G-d the science were telling me, and the rest of the community something different.

I would love it if I were wrong.

I think you are wrong.

758 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:18pm

re: #754 EmmmieG

Sah-mo-a! Sah-mo-a!

Thin mint! Thin mint! I'm not so thin, but I like the mint!

759 jaunte  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:44pm

Tuesday: Space Shuttle Endeavour
[Link: apod.nasa.gov...]

Goodnight all.

760 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:47pm

re: #751 Walter L. Newton

Sorry child, I don't drink a drop. I just want to know how you know I'm not racist?


you should drink .... and stop being a dick.

761 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:51pm

re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist

He acted alone, and I don't know if he actually acted with any idea of attempting to create change by his actions. Somewhere on the scale between terrorism and a really dramatic family killer/workplace killer.

So more terroristic than a woman who shoots people when she's denied tenure, less terroristic than a Muslim Therapist shooting up an army base...

762 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:54pm

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, Steve. Everyone hates Obama. They always have and they always will.

Party on.

Depends on where you live I guess. In certain parts of the country, you might well be convinced that is so. I live in a very blue state, and I need to pop in here to get the other side of the story.

763 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:04:57pm

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

No, they're called racist because they speak about 'gelding' the President and clap at the idea of sending him "back to Africa". Those are racist actions.

And they are totally evil as well.

Truly.

Think on it. If you fear black men, and if you are a scared little white man who fears black people and believes in stereotypes, well what is the first thing you would think of... hence gelding.

So I will make it plain for the little tea baggers and those who are so willfully blind that they do not see the racism in their own words.

Obama is smarter than you.

Obama likely has a bigger penis.

Obama is the president.

You are sniveling white trash with a delusion that America is yours for free.

764 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:05:23pm

re: #749 albusteve

Mostly I'd rather ignore you. But when go up with the stupid and say stuff like the fringe right would embrace Bill Cosby but not Barack Obama, I kinda have to disagree. But really, I'd rather ignore you.

765 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:05:34pm

re: #735 avanti

Odd you say that, his popularity even on Rasmussen has been improving recently and has been around 50% and holding steady for a few months on Gallup.

whoops!...up, down...depends who you read I guess...but if you deny BOs juju is melting away, then I have this old Chevy for sale....call it whatever you want

766 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:05:37pm

re: #752 NJDhockeyfan

I have a case of Girl Scout cookies in the den. What would you like?

Thin Mints?

767 Altermite  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:06:03pm

re: #766 Silvergirl

Thin Mints?

Frozen.

768 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:06:07pm

re: #748 Walter L. Newton

Really... where? Show me where I started in with saying that?

Jesus, it's gonna be one of those nights. Post #687, you reacted to being told that it was possible to dislike Obama without being a racist by asking "How?"

Now, I took that as you saying it wasn't possible, or wasn't perceived to be possible, but you know, I could be wrong.

That said, I stand by my observation that you appear to dislike Barack Obama, and have never, to my recollection, said racist shit about him.

769 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:06:23pm

re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist

He acted alone, and I don't know if he actually acted with any idea of attempting to create change by his actions. Somewhere on the scale between terrorism and a really dramatic family killer/workplace killer.

He didn't work at the IRS. He targeted them.

He definitely wanted to kill as many people as possible, because of his political opinions.

And since when does a terrorist not get to act alone?

770 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:06:39pm

re: #752 NJDhockeyfan

I have a case of Girl Scout cookies in the den. What would you like?

I like the Samoas. My husband will take a box of Thin Mints if you have them.

771 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:06:41pm

re: #757 NJDhockeyfan

You also think 98.5% of all climatologists are wrong, as well as every single scientific body that has ever made a statement on the subject.

772 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:07:02pm

re: #769 Cato the Elder

He didn't work at the IRS. He targeted them.

He definitely wanted to kill as many people as possible, because of his political opinions.

And since when does a terrorist not get to act alone?

This is, straight up, no true Scotsman.

No true American could be a terrorist.

773 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:07:14pm

Sort of off topic. And maybe Charles can answer this better than most people here, I don't know.

Anyway, I got an email a couple of days ago, pointing out that a LGF stalker blog posted the complete essay on CRU and their programmer Ian Harris and made a thread out of it.

I never gave them permission to post it, and I was surprised that it showed up there. I had never even visited that site until the other night when I was made aware of the thread they started.

Isn't posting the complete essay without my permission far from fair use?

774 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:07:31pm

re: #761 jamesfirecat

So more terroristic than a woman who shoots people when she's denied tenure, less terroristic than a Muslim Therapist shooting up an army base...

I wouldn't have put it like that, but I kind of have to agree with that assessment.

775 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:07:35pm

re: #757 NJDhockeyfan

I think you are wrong.

Why?

I get that you don't buy it. But why?

You like to say that and come out with challenges, but you never come up with a single bit of science or data to back up your wild assertion that I and the rest of the scientific community are wrong.

So really how about you talk science for once?

For what reasons do you think all of the science is wrong? From what bastion of understanding do you make such a wild claim?

776 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:07:54pm

re: #763 LudwigVanQuixote

And they are totally evil as well.

Truly.

Think on it. If you fear black men, and if you are a scared little white man who fears black people and believes in stereotypes, well what is the first thing you would think of... hence gelding.

So I will make it plain for the little tea baggers and those who are so willfully blind that they do not see the racism in their own words.

Obama is smarter than you.

Obama likely has a bigger penis.

Obama is the president.

You are sniveling white trash with a delusion that America is yours for free.

I'd just say he's a better person than those who cheer lynching threats could ever hope to be. And please don't bring up Jeremiah Wright. Wright is an asshole but he's never advocated killing anyone.

777 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:08:17pm

re: #763 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig, I like you. I enjoy your posts (mostly) and I learn from the things that you post. Thank you.

This was a disgusting post.
I hope you don't really believe what you posted.
If you do, well, I'm very sorry for you.

778 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:08:22pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

From the Austin plane attack today comes a great story.

Heroic Rescue Effort by Civilian

I heard the interview today. This guy deserves a medal for what he did.

The right man at the right time for sure. He was a former combat engineer and a glassworker who had ladders on his truck.

779 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:08:47pm

re: #739 SanFranciscoZionist

No, Steve is dismissing racism. It's part of his general 'why are you guys so hysterical?' routine that he is fond of these days. I'm not going to arm wrestle with him about.

where did I dismiss racism?...maybe because I don't sit and post about it all day, you have the wrong perception?...how many posts does it take take to dismiss racism then?...25 or a hundred?...you're little racism clique is disgusting...spit!

780 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:08:53pm

re: #762 avanti

Depends on where you live I guess. In certain parts of the country, you might well be convinced that is so. I live in a very blue state, and I need to pop in here to get the other side of the story.

Feel ya, dude. I live in the dark blue heart of Contra Costa County, so it's sometimes hard to gauge what the rest of the country is up to.

781 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:08:53pm

re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn't have put it like that, but I kind of have to agree with that assessment.

Wish I could have found a way to make it funny (on a scale of one to five Osamas I give it three and a half...) but some things just weren't meant to be joked about....

782 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:09:07pm

re: #773 Walter L. Newton

Sort of off topic. And maybe Charles can answer this better than most people here, I don't know.

Anyway, I got an email a couple of days ago, pointing out that a LGF stalker blog posted the complete essay on CRU and their programmer Ian Harris and made a thread out of it.

I never gave them permission to post it, and I was surprised that it showed up there. I had never even visited that site until the other night when I was made aware of the thread they started.

Isn't posting the complete essay without my permission far from fair use?

As I understand it, yes. you might have cause for legal action, especially as they could have simply linked to you.

783 freetoken  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:09:16pm

Portent of a future America under the rule of theocratic Tea Partiers?

Malaysian women say caning "good" for them

Three Malaysians who became the first women to be caned under the country's Islamic laws said they "deserved" their punishment and that it would help stem sex outside marriage.

The three women were caned for having sex out of wedlock in a move that has angered human rights activists and some lawyers who say the punishments are illegal in this mainly Muslim country that runs parallel civil and Islamic justice systems.

"I deeply regret my actions as I should have married before having sex," the New Straits Times newspaper quoted one of the women who it said was aged 17, as saying in its Friday edition.

784 krypto  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:09:45pm

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

No, they're called racist because they speak about 'gelding' the President and clap at the idea of sending him "back to Africa". Those are racist actions.

Excuse me if I'm overlooking everything by walking into the middle of this without having read the previous posts - but did you happen to also notice that small line drawing of a monkey next to Obama's name on the "Geld Obama" sign? (At time = 0:43) - Speaking of racist.

785 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:09:52pm

re: #769 Cato the Elder

He didn't work at the IRS. He targeted them.

He definitely wanted to kill as many people as possible, because of his political opinions.

And since when does a terrorist not get to act alone?

Fair points. OK, he's decidedly a domestic terrorist, DIY style.

786 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:10:14pm

re: #752 NJDhockeyfan

I have a case of Girl Scout cookies in the den. What would you like?

HAH!
Here, little girl, I have a cookie!

WATCH OUT! HE's A letch, if not worse. No! He's NJHockeyfan!
Aieeeee! Beware!

787 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:10:20pm

re: #771 Obdicut

You also think 98.5% of all climatologists are wrong, as well as every single scientific body that has ever made a statement on the subject.

I'm not buying the alarmism of man-made global warming. The climate has been constantly changing for billions of years. We cannot stop it by driving Priuses and eating less meat.

788 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:10:24pm

re: #765 albusteve

whoops!...up, down...depends who you read I guess...but if you deny BOs juju is melting away, then I have this old Chevy for sale...call it whatever you want

Since you tend to like Rasmussen, check his polling, it's back up to last falls numbers, and not trending lower. I predict as the economy keeps making its slow recovery, his polling will follow. Just as Reagan's did after he recovered from the Carter years.

789 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:10:37pm

re: #777 Floral Giraffe

Ludwig, I like you. I enjoy your posts (mostly) and I learn from the things that you post. Thank you.

This was a disgusting post.
I hope you don't really believe what you posted.
If you do, well, I'm very sorry for you.

Hold on Floral, you know I adore you. However, I am making a valid point.

The racist deals with stereotypes of the worst sort.

The teabaggers in all of their rhetoric are very much afraid of losing "white America" to an other. The stereotype of black men is that they are gifted in that department.

Of course a racist asshole would think of gelding. The key is in the fear of lost manhood that the little white racists feel when they see a black president.

790 simoom  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:10:53pm

In a neat segment Rachel Maddow wanders around at CPAC:

Liz Cheney, Town Hall booth, Oath Keepers booth, CPAC swag, angry anti-gay guy who sought her out, Free State project both, etc.

Oddly a stop at the JBS booth wasn't included, and no sign of the "Obama Job Creation Fail Whale" which is my favorite thing at the conference.

791 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:11:02pm

re: #773 Walter L. Newton

Sort of off topic. And maybe Charles can answer this better than most people here, I don't know.

Anyway, I got an email a couple of days ago, pointing out that a LGF stalker blog posted the complete essay on CRU and their programmer Ian Harris and made a thread out of it.

I never gave them permission to post it, and I was surprised that it showed up there. I had never even visited that site until the other night when I was made aware of the thread they started.

Isn't posting the complete essay without my permission far from fair use?

I don't know what the law is on that. Sounds iffy, but the Internet IS iffy. See what Charles says.

792 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:11:43pm

re: #764 Olsonist

Mostly I'd rather ignore you. But when go up with the stupid and say stuff like the fringe right would embrace Bill Cosby but not Barack Obama, I kinda have to disagree. But really, I'd rather ignore you.

you are an idiot...I can't account for your misinterpretation of my posts...if you would rather ignore me then prove it and quit stalking me

793 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:12:22pm

re: #789 LudwigVanQuixote

Hold on Floral, you know I adore you. However, I am making a valid point.

The racist deals with stereotypes of the worst sort.

The teabaggers in all of their rhetoric are very much afraid of losing "white America" to an other. The stereotype of black men is that they are gifted in that department.

Of course a racist asshole would think of gelding. The key is in the fear of lost manhood that the little white racists feel when they see a black president.

That's a better way of putting it, Ludwig.

794 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:12:22pm

re: #787 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not buying the alarmism of man-made global warming. The climate has been constantly changing for billions of years. We cannot stop it by driving Priuses and eating less meat.

/I think you're wrong.

If we eat less meat then that means we have to eat more plants, and right now plants are one of the few things turning out C02 into OXYGEN!

DAMN YOU VEGETARIANS YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL!

795 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:12:42pm

re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist

He acted alone, and I don't know if he actually acted with any idea of attempting to create change by his actions. Somewhere on the scale between terrorism and a really dramatic family killer/workplace killer.

Oh yeah, he was dying for his cause. He said so in his suicide note.

796 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:13:08pm

re: #793 Dark_Falcon

That's a better way of putting it, Ludwig.

Yes, but then I don't get to show just how much I hate the sorts of asshole who pollute my nation with such racism.

797 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:13:09pm

Good evening, all.

Obviously a very peculiar day in Austin. Heard about the "accident" and walked outside to see the plume of smoke in the distance. About ten miles from my office. As soon as it made CNN, got enquiries by e-mail from across the US and the UK about our status.

Said we were fine and didn't know anything more than they did. Then one of the local media blogs picked up on the "Manifesto".

I read it.

Then I read it again.

Teh cu-cu-crazee!! was strong with this one.

The building that was hit contained the Criminal Investigative Division for the IRS. The HQ for the IRS is located about 15 miles to the southeast and employs probably 5 times the number of employees (200) that were in the building that was hit. He blew the shit out of Echelon II. I am amazed that there is only one person missing and presumed dead.

A crazed, anti-tax, American attacked a government employment center that contained people who were doing the job that the Congress had charged them with doing.

Anyone who thinks the radical fringe of the tea party movement is Mostly Harmless needs to think again.

798 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:13:18pm

re: #763 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, that's kinda bad logic. I know black folks who fear black folks. Fear is fear. It isn't rational and you're trying to construct a logic out it. Doesn't work.

799 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:14:22pm

re: #791 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what the law is on that. Sounds iffy, but the Internet IS iffy. See what Charles says.

I wonder now if they were trying to cause trouble, posting it, which could/would make some people think I had something to do with giving them permission to do it, or I was condoning them posting it.

I had nothing to do with it and I would have never given them permission to do it.

800 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:14:31pm

re: #787 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not buying the alarmism of man-made global warming. The climate has been constantly changing for billions of years. We cannot stop it by driving Priuses and eating less meat.

Ummm yes, and if you look a little deeper - not very far at all, you will find two things:

1. The climate has not always shifted in ways that are good for humans.

2. The climate is currently being forced by our activities into a place that will kill billions of us.

801 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:14:33pm

re: #773 Walter L. Newton

Sort of off topic. And maybe Charles can answer this better than most people here, I don't know.

Anyway, I got an email a couple of days ago, pointing out that a LGF stalker blog posted the complete essay on CRU and their programmer Ian Harris and made a thread out of it.

I never gave them permission to post it, and I was surprised that it showed up there. I had never even visited that site until the other night when I was made aware of the thread they started.

Isn't posting the complete essay without my permission far from fair use?

I wondered about that, but it's what stalker blogs do, they stalk. We even post comments from other blogs on here too, but not a complete essay.

802 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:15:04pm

re: #801 avanti

I wondered about that, but it's what stalker blogs do, they stalk. We even post comments from other blogs on here too, but not a complete essay.

You wondered about what?

803 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:15:17pm

re: #788 avanti

Since you tend to like Rasmussen, check his polling, it's back up to last falls numbers, and not trending lower. I predict as the economy keeps making its slow recovery, his polling will follow. Just as Reagan's did after he recovered from the Carter years.

I don't 'like' any of them...BO is fading, that's a fact, altho I'm sure there is a poll out there that claims he isn't...whatever, think what you want

804 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:15:28pm

re: #779 albusteve

where did I dismiss racism?...maybe because I don't sit and post about it all day, you have the wrong perception?...how many posts does it take take to dismiss racism then?...25 or a hundred?...you're little racism clique is disgusting...spit!

Whine, whine, whine.

805 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:16:43pm

re: #796 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, but then I don't get to show just how much I hate the sorts of asshole who pollute my nation with such racism.

The problem with showing it is that you provide your enemies with ammunition. That's never a good idea. We can't bring the racist and deniers themselves around, but we need to not give them quotes that they can use to discredit us with sane people. They already try every trick in the trade, let's not make it easy for them.

806 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:16:53pm

re: #794 jamesfirecat

/I think you're wrong.

If we eat less meat then that means we have to eat more plants, and right now plants are one of the few things turning out C02 into OXYGEN!

DAMN YOU VEGETARIANS YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL!

Heh...

Becoming vegetarian 'can harm the environment'

Adopting a vegetarian diet based around meat substitutes such as tofu can cause more damage to the environment, according to a new study.

Eating meat causes global warming
Becoming a vegetarian causes global warming

Solution: stop eating

807 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:16:54pm

re: #804 SanFranciscoZionist

Whine, whine, whine.

Oh, great, this site is now just whine and cheesy.

Terrific.

808 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:16:57pm

re: #783 freetoken

Portent of a future America under the rule of theocratic Tea Partiers?

Malaysian women say caning "good" for them

Aargh! The Handmaid's Tale!

Go ahead, be honest. Is there *anyone* on this board who was a virgin on their wedding night?

No?

That abstinence education is the way to go then, innit?

809 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:17:31pm

re: #808 austin_blue

Aargh! The Handmaid's Tale!

Go ahead, be honest. Is there *anyone* on this board who was a virgin on their wedding night?

No?

That abstinence education is the way to go then, innit?

What do I get if I was? Cookies?

810 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:17:43pm

re: #809 EmmmieG

Better yet, how would I prove it?

811 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:17:47pm

re: #800 LudwigVanQuixote

Ummm yes, and if you look a little deeper - not very far at all, you will find two things:

1. The climate has not always shifted in ways that are good for humans.

2. The climate is currently being forced by our activities into a place that will kill billions of us.

The sky is not falling Chicken Little.

812 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:18:20pm

re: #799 Walter L. Newton

I wonder now if they were trying to cause trouble, posting it, which could/would make some people think I had something to do with giving them permission to do it, or I was condoning them posting it.

I had nothing to do with it and I would have never given them permission to do it.

If these are the people I think they are, they were probably dying for you to publish it, and hoping it would cause bad internal strife here. Probably just wanted to look it over for themselves.

I don't know what protection there is for a blog post, per se.

813 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:18:36pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

You wondered about what?

heh...we are on the outside...they refuse to help us out here and why?...what have you and I ever done to be excluded?...who are these mysterious people?....why is it so secretive?

814 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:18:51pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

You wondered about what?

I wonder if they were right in copying your work for their web site.

815 webevintage  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:18:53pm

This is so totally OT, but Michelle Obama wore a wonderful Alexander McQueen blouse today when she met with a group of students from the London and it brought a tear to my eye.
[Link: mrs-o.org...]

816 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:18:56pm

re: #798 Olsonist

Yeah, that's kinda bad logic. I know black folks who fear black folks. Fear is fear. It isn't rational and you're trying to construct a logic out it. Doesn't work.

NO not at all.

The fear of Black men and their sexual prowess is deeply ingrained in American race relations.

If you want to insult Irish based on stereotypes, you talk about booze.

If you want to be equally evil to Jews you talk about money.

Neither group gets hit with penis comments.

Black people though, well that is the thing. There is a long and wretched history to this. The connection I have made is valid. That does not mean it is not evil or disgusting. One look - even a cursory one, at KKK types and their propaganda, always comes back to white women having sex with black men.

Many have conjectured this is a projection caused by the centuries of sexual abuse of black women at the hands of white slavers.

Whatever the cause, the stereotype exists and the fear is real for the scum who have it.

817 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:19:29pm

re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. Since none of you can prove I'm

818 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:19:44pm

re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. Since none of you can prove I'm

819 wee fury  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:19:48pm

SanFranciscoZionist
I was going to post something about how much I like to chew gum -- but . . . now it might be a controversial subject.

820 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:20:06pm

Why is my post getting snipped off...?

821 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:20:08pm

re: #818 Walter L. Newton

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. Since none of you can prove I'm

You...are...what? A smurf? Spartacus?

822 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:20:30pm

re: #804 SanFranciscoZionist

Whine, whine, whine.

you are a racist...a reverse racist...you use black people as a tool against conservatives...you should be ashamed

823 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:20:35pm

re: #810 EmmmieG

Better yet, how would I prove it?

We'll take your word!

824 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:20:46pm

re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. SInce none of you can prove I'm

825 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:20:57pm

re: #809 EmmmieG

What do I get if I was? Cookies?

A gold star and the valid question: "Is your partner is any good at it?"

After all what is your baseline?

826 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:21:04pm

re: #823 SanFranciscoZionist

We'll take your word!

Thanks awfully. I think that was very close to TMI, at least for me.

827 webevintage  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:21:17pm

re: #808 austin_blue

Aargh! The Handmaid's Tale!

That book scared me for life.

When I went to school we had sex ed instead of this abstinence only bullshit.

828 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:21:21pm

re: #815 webevintage

This is so totally OT, but Michelle Obama wore a wonderful Alexander McQueen blouse today when she met with a group of students from the London and it brought a tear to my eye.
[Link: mrs-o.org...]

My God. There's a Michelle fashion blog?

829 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:21:25pm

(I'll try again)

Since none of you can prove I'm

830 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:21:48pm

re: #789 LudwigVanQuixote

Hold on Floral, you know I adore you. However, I am making a valid point.

The racist deals with stereotypes of the worst sort.

The teabaggers in all of their rhetoric are very much afraid of losing "white America" to an other. The stereotype of black men is that they are gifted in that department.

Of course a racist asshole would think of gelding. The key is in the fear of lost manhood that the little white racists feel when they see a black president.

For myself, I respond much better to the possibility of "new ideas" when not being called "evil". I appreciate your effort to tone down the rhetoric & make an effort to communicate differently.
Still, your previous post, has made me more wary.

And, you do know, that I adore you as well.

The violence of your rhetoric and feelings, is your undoing.
*smooch*

831 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:05pm

re: #822 albusteve

you are a racist...a reverse racist...you use black people as a tool against conservatives...you should be ashamed

How on earth am I doing that?

832 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:15pm

Since none of you can prove I'm

833 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:16pm

re: #811 NJDhockeyfan

The sky is not falling Chicken Little.

No, it is warming however in a way that will cause numerous feedbacks that will kill billions. ON what basis do you deny this?

Again, I get that you wish to insult me.

I get that calling me chicken little is a way for you not to think.

However, in what basis of fact can you claim that I am wrong?

So let's not and say we did with the insults and the silly rhetoric.

I, and the scientific community claims that the consequences of AGW are catastrophic. ON what basis do you challenge that claim, save a rehashed talking point that just got debunked again. Yes the climate changes. ON what basis do you claim that it is changing for the better?

Talk facts or don't waste time.

834 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:26pm

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

(I'll try again)

Since none of you can prove I'm

THEY are censoring you, from their spaceship. Deal with it.

835 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:26pm

re: #824 Walter L. Newton

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. SInce none of you can prove I'm

Walter, spit it out!

836 freetoken  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:51pm

re: #806 NJDhockeyfan

And your still ignoring that the article was written about Britain.

The UK, as a landmass (a few islands) can't support themselves simply by relying on their own land. They have to import, and if they have to import lots of vegetable matter to feed themselves then they will then be responsible for the effects of that.

Also, you seen to ignore portions of that article in which critics of study in question appear to raise reasonable objections.

837 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:54pm

Is anyone else having their comment clipped short?

838 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:22:57pm

re: #822 albusteve

Horseshit. If you think SFZ is any species of racist then you've got a screw loose somewhere.

839 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:22pm

Since none of you can prove I am NOT racist, I'm going to bed.

840 freetoken  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:25pm

pimf "you're"

841 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:32pm

re: #816 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig, I loves ya baby. But you're applying a scientific method to something hopelessly irrational. I see what you're saying but you're drawing your conclusion too starkly.

842 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:42pm

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

Since none of you can prove I am NOT racist, I'm going to bed.

Congrats on finally being able to spit it out.

843 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:46pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton

Is anyone else having their comment clipped short?

No. Are you trying to say 'since none of you can prove I'm not a racist'?

I'm willing to take your word on that as well. And your track record here.

844 webevintage  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:49pm

re: #828 SanFranciscoZionist

My God. There's a Michelle fashion blog?

One of my guilty pleasures along with Jezebel, I Can Has Cheesburger, Project Rungay and Pajiba.

845 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:23:56pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton

Is anyone else having their comment clipped short?

Nope.

re: #832 Walter L. Newton

Since none of you can prove I'm a racist.

Is that right?

846 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:24:03pm

One beer run, and 155 comments go by. I'm not gonna bother catching up. So just tell me, who do we hate now?
/

847 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:24:26pm

re: #824 Walter L. Newton

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. SInce none of you can prove I'm

walter, you are boring me. i'm watching a basketball game and trying to fend off your obnoxiousness. i didn't say you weren't a racist. i said your post was not racist. give me a break, would ya?

848 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:24:30pm

re: #816 LudwigVanQuixote

I think the KKK's thing was the black man being anything but a slave, sex and all aside...

The point you are trying to make, which may be valid, makes you sound real perverted, and I know you arent trying to come off like that.

To be honest, that is the first time I have ever heard of such a stereotype. Typically white guys (like me) are pretty much envious of whatever evolutionary process that gave black men their endowments... Thats a more common stereotype, imho...

849 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:24:42pm

re: #846 Slumbering Behemoth

One beer run, and 155 comments go by. I'm not gonna bother catching up. So just tell me, who do we hate now?
/

I think we're all opposed to people who fly planes into buildings. That appears to be our baseline for tonight.

And we all like Girl Scout cookies.

850 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:24:53pm

re: #831 SanFranciscoZionist

How on earth am I doing that?

by insinuating I ignore racism...and by some some manufactured logic I condone it...that's just plain rude

851 avanti  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:25:09pm

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

Since none of you can prove I am NOT racist, I'm going to bed.

I can't prove it, but I've seen no sign of it in your posts. You are a bit peculiar, but I like that.

852 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:25:11pm

re: #846 Slumbering Behemoth

One beer run, and 155 comments go by. I'm not gonna bother catching up. So just tell me, who do we hate now?
/

Eurasia.

853 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:25:21pm

re: #811 NJDhockeyfan

The sky is not falling Chicken Little.

Actually, it may be. Really. It is a slow fall, maybe two to three hundred years, but it may be much quicker than that if we hit a tipping point where ocean thermodynamics hit a wall.

854 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:25:25pm

G'night lizards. I gotta get up in 4 hours.

Sleep well my friends.

855 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:26:14pm

re: #846 Slumbering Behemoth

One beer run, and 155 comments go by. I'm not gonna bother catching up. So just tell me, who do we hate now?
/

me, of course

856 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:26:29pm

re: #824 Walter L. Newton

re: #760 _RememberTonyC

re: #764 Olsonist

This is getting boring. SInce none of you can prove I'm

It's hard enough to disprove a negative. Try disproving a sentence fragment.

857 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:26:38pm

re: #854 NJDhockeyfan

G'night lizards. I gotta get up in 4 hours.

Sleep well my friends.

Goodnight, NJDHF.

858 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:27:04pm

re: #849 SanFranciscoZionist

And we all like Girl Scout cookies.

Speak for yourself, cookie-ist!

859 wee fury  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:27:14pm

re: #855 albusteve

me, of course

I don't hate you -- for all I know, you could really be my favorite cousin.

860 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:27:38pm

re: #853 austin_blue

Actually, it may be. Really. It is a slow fall, maybe two to three hundred years, but it may be much quicker than that if we hit a tipping point where ocean thermodynamics hit a wall.

You mean when the oceans start cooling or warming?

861 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:27:54pm

re: #859 wee fury

I don't hate you -- for all I know, you could really be my favorite cousin.

heh...might be, you just never know

862 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:28:12pm

re: #830 Floral Giraffe

For myself, I respond much better to the possibility of "new ideas" when not being called "evil". I appreciate your effort to tone down the rhetoric & make an effort to communicate differently.
Still, your previous post, has made me more wary.

And, you do know, that I adore you as well.

The violence of your rhetoric and feelings, is your undoing.
*smooch*

And this is where we philosophically disagree.

You do not sing kumbaya to a Nazi or a klansman. You do not tell the Hamsnicks to just rethink things.

None of those groups reason. They are not at a point of reason. They will not try to reason.

You do not play nice with evil.

It is foolish to attempt to sway the fanatics. It is long past that point. By offering the fanatics a falsely equal stance, they become more reasonable to the undecided.

The teabaggers are truly evil. They are racist, homophobic, sexist, anti-education, anti-science, anti American. Right? Talk of secession is treason.

Call them what they are.

You will shame some into silence and show the evil and foolishness of them to others. The bad guys win the propaganda war by shouting bloody murder falsely, while the good guys get all intellectual. That makes the common and not so bright person wrongly think that the bad guys may have a point.

863 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:28:17pm

re: #850 albusteve

by insinuating I ignore racism...and by some some manufactured logic I condone it...that's just plain rude

1. Never insinuated you ignored it. Said flat out that you disregarded Falcon's post about racism against Obama to continue with your own thoughts about Obama's dropping popularity. That's what interests you. You do dismiss the racism factor. Far as I can tell, it just doesn't interest you nearly as much as Obama himself does.

2. Never said you condoned it, by 'manufactured logic' or any other kind.

3. Tried to make it clear in the post that this ties into your general annoyance with the rest of us for jabbering on about things you don't fine engaging. You do tell us about that quite a bit.

4. Was actually trying to defend you.

864 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:28:41pm

re: #853 austin_blue

Well I think everyone is right then!

Because either billions will die because of the 'tipping of the scale' event, or billions will die in the next 200 years waiting for said event.
///

865 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:28:54pm

celtics just beat the lakers in LA .... anyone wanna give me a high five? Hoosier?

866 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:29:15pm

re: #855 albusteve

me, of course

Of course. I hate you, Steve. Wanna beer?

867 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:29:33pm

re: #865 _RememberTonyC

celtics just beat the lakers in LA ... anyone wanna give me a high five? Hoosier?

Sure. I have rooted on principal against the Lakers ever since Rod Fox, or Ron Fox, or whatever the hell his name is, tried to sleep with my cousin.

868 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:30:31pm

re: #796 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, but then I don't get to show just how much I hate the sorts of asshole who pollute my nation with such racism.

Hate is hate?

869 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:31:24pm

re: #816 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm going to have you back you up a bit here having had some actual face to face experiences with open and blatant white supremeists who were being very in you face raciist at some of their rallies.

Absolutely nothing phased them whether rational reasoning, people shouting at them, calling them names or pretty must anything else you could think of except for one thing, penis comments and particularly the singing of little ditties about little winkies and manhood.

Seriously, I know it's crass but it worked every single time.

870 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:32:07pm

re: #848 jeremy0114

Ohh, interesting.

If I am appalled by that view and consider those who hold it to be perverse, then I fail to see that my view is the perverse one.

I get that it is uncomfortable as a topic.

It should be. It is repellent to me as well.

However, there is a bit of blindness there - blindness to most of the hate rhetoric of the American South for over 200 years - to deny the disgusting truth of what I am saying.

Don't think that my pointing it out means I think it is OK.

871 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:32:08pm

re: #867 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. I have rooted on principal against the Lakers ever since Rod Fox, or Ron Fox, or whatever the hell his name is, tried to sleep with my cousin.

Rick Fox .... I've covered him and interviewed him ... he's a hound. But Vanessa Williams is his wife. An LA Power Couple for sure.

872 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:32:18pm

re: #860 NJDhockeyfan

You mean when the oceans start cooling or warming?

No. That ocean circulating systems (like the Gulf Stream) get disrupted. If that happens, then northern Europe gets turned into an icebox.

873 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:33:21pm

re: #863 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Never insinuated you ignored it. Said flat out that you disregarded Falcon's post about racism against Obama to continue with your own thoughts about Obama's dropping popularity. That's what interests you. You do dismiss the racism factor. Far as I can tell, it just doesn't interest you nearly as much as Obama himself does.

2. Never said you condoned it, by 'manufactured logic' or any other kind.

3. Tried to make it clear in the post that this ties into your general annoyance with the rest of us for jabbering on about things you don't fine engaging. You do tell us about that quite a bit.

4. Was actually trying to defend you.

my bad then...I'm getting hammered with this ridiculous charge...I do find some topics mundane, but I should pass them by...you and I have been here awhile and I've never had a beef with you beyond the typical short term bru ha...menaste

874 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:33:23pm

re: #871 _RememberTonyC

Rick Fox ... I've covered him and interviewed him ... he's a hound. But Vanessa Williams is his wife. An LA Power Couple for sure.

Yes, Vanessa came up in the conversation between him and my innocent baby cousin.

875 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:33:27pm

Holy shit, I was joking with the "who do we hate now" line. Now I can see that folks are actually discussing hate/haters. No, I am no blog-psychic.

876 wee fury  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:33:27pm

re: #867 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. I have rooted on principal against the Lakers ever since Rod Fox, or Ron Fox, or whatever the hell his name is, tried to sleep with my cousin.

The Lakers are traitors! They left Minnesota -- a long, long, long time ago. Their nefariousness will never be forgiven or forgotten.

877 freetoken  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:33:41pm

File under "weird", or "future WND material":

ANCIENT ARK REPLICA MAY BE THE ORIGINAL

A 600-year-old replica of the Ark - the vessel that held the tablets on which the 10 Commandments were inscribed - is on show at the Museum of Human Science in Zimbabwe.

The "ngoma lungundu" - a drum-like relic - belongs to the Lemba people.

They are black Africans, who claim Jewish ancestry.

Tudor Parfitt, professor of Modern Jewish Studies at London's School of Oriental and African Studies, has been researching the subject for 30 years.

Museum vice-president John Nkomo said: "Professor Parfitt has theorised that this object was the Ark of the Covenant lost from King Solomon's temple in Jerusalem in 587.

"He thinks it is a direct descendant of the vessel constructed to hold the original tablets on which the 10 Commandments were inscribed."

Some western scholars are sceptical of Parfitt's claims, but not in Zimbabwe.

Carbon testing on the ngoma lungundu shows that splinters of it date back to 1350.

Parfitt suggests that it was a replica constructed while the Lemba were in Yemen - after the original Ark was destroyed in a pyrotechnic explosion.

The Ark has been the subject of scholarly and religious debate internationally with some theorising that the Lemba's kin in Ethiopia also have a replica. It was said to have been built at the command of God and in accordance with Moses' prophetic vision on Mount Sinai.

The Lemba suggest that the Ark was taken to Arabia through Yemen, across the sea to east Africa and inland to southern Africa during the time of the Great Zimbabwe civilisation.

There are varied versions of how it disappeared, ranging from divine intervention to removal of the Ark by the Ethiopian Prince Menelek, who was the son of King Solomon and Queen Sheba.

According to Lemba, who number around 70,000 in southern Africa, their ancestors were Jews who left Judea around 2,500 years ago and settled in a place called Sena before they migrated into east Africa.

The location of the Sena was in Yemen, specifically, in the village of Sanaw.

878 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:33:45pm

re: #873 albusteve

my bad then...I'm getting hammered with this ridiculous charge...I do find some topics mundane, but I should pass them by...you and I have been here awhile and I've never had a beef with you beyond the typical short term bru ha...menaste

Peace be with you, Steve.

879 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:34:01pm

re: #866 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course. I hate you, Steve. Wanna beer?

I do...thanks

880 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:35:35pm

re: #862 LudwigVanQuixote

And this is where we philosophically disagree.

You do not sing kumbaya to a Nazi or a klansman. You do not tell the Hamsnicks to just rethink things.

None of those groups reason. They are not at a point of reason. They will not try to reason.

You do not play nice with evil.

It is foolish to attempt to sway the fanatics. It is long past that point. By offering the fanatics a falsely equal stance, they become more reasonable to the undecided.

The teabaggers are truly evil. They are racist, homophobic, sexist, anti-education, anti-science, anti American. Right? Talk of secession is treason.

Call them what they are.

You will shame some into silence and show the evil and foolishness of them to others. The bad guys win the propaganda war by shouting bloody murder falsely, while the good guys get all intellectual. That makes the common and not so bright person wrongly think that the bad guys may have a point.

You're right, and I don't oppose hardball. But sometimes you get too inflammatory, Ludwig and when you do you give the bad guys a way to turn the focus away from your arguments and onto you personally. It's OK to be angry, but keep your focus.

881 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:35:41pm

re: #873 albusteve

menaste

You owe me the beer that just came out my nose.

882 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:35:44pm

re: #874 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, Vanessa came up in the conversation between him and my innocent baby cousin.

Rick is a handsome and personable dude. You cousin must be cute.

883 solomonpanting  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:36:06pm

re: #871 _RememberTonyC

Rick Fox ... I've covered him and interviewed him ... he's a hound. But Vanessa Williams is his wife. An LA Power Couple for sure.

I believe they've been divorced for several years.

884 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:36:14pm

re: #864 jeremy0114

Well I think everyone is right then!

Because either billions will die because of the 'tipping of the scale' event, or billions will die in the next 200 years waiting for said event.
///

Ummmmm.......was there a statement or question in there? Or just a sock with 168 posts in 2 1/2 years?

885 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:36:55pm

re: #868 Silvergirl

Hate is hate?

Of course not. That is moral relativism at its finest.

Evil is evil. People should hate evil.

And before we get all falsely philosophical, again, I am using evil in the common sense way it can only be effectively used.

Let's not and say we did on the whole define evil exercise. I will accept that there are grey zones and tough calls.

That said, openly calling to mutilate and murder an innocent man out of racist fear is evil. It is worse when he is the President and these fools want to destroy America as well.

886 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:37:11pm

re: #881 Slumbering Behemoth

You owe me the beer that just came out my nose.

Bartender!

887 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:37:23pm

re: #876 wee fury

The Lakers are traitors! They left Minnesota -- a long, long, long time ago. Their nefariousness will never be forgiven or forgotten.

Anyway, it's a good story, so I'm going to tell it. My cousin was in Vegas with a friend, they were, I think college seniors at this point. Somehow, they managed to slip into a private party being attended by Mr. Fox. (I think being very pretty young women helped.)

Anyway, she met Mr. Fox, and they got talking, and he invited her back to his room.

My cousin, who is a good Catholic girl, said "No. You're married, and I have a boyfriend."

Mr. Fox laughed and said "You have a boyfriend? Little girl, you're not living in the real world."

To which my cousin, who is also a hot-tempered Irish lass, said "No, you're not living in the real world. In the real world, you'd just be a tall guy who couldn't get a date with Vanessa Williams."

And that was that.

Her older brother, a serious sports fan, wrote a shocked letter to the Lakers' management. I suppose it's on file somewhere.

888 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:37:28pm

re: #867 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. I have rooted on principal against the Lakers ever since Rod Fox, or Ron Fox, or whatever the hell his name is, tried to sleep with my cousin.

Rick Fox? When he was married to Vanessa Williams?

889 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:37:53pm

re: #876 wee fury

The Lakers are traitors! They left Minnesota -- a long, long, long time ago. Their nefariousness will never be forgiven or forgotten.

50 years ago they left Mpls. In the muslim world, 50 years is known as a "nanosecond." :)

890 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:37:57pm

re: #879 albusteve

Have some more margaritas! :)

891 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:38:07pm

re: #882 _RememberTonyC

Rick is a handsome and personable dude. You cousin must be cute.

She is lovely.

892 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:38:19pm

re: #874 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, Vanessa came up in the conversation between him and my innocent baby cousin.

Ricky Foxy.

Bummer for your cousin.

893 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:38:43pm

re: #870 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow, you take my comment as an insult, and it was not meant to be.

At face value, obsessing as you were (as someone who read your first post that got all the tizzy) it seems you are just obsessed with genitalia.

I have never heard of white supremacists being so genitalia sensitive, but yet I dont hang with that crowd I suppose... After Jadespring's account, I will concur that they may be obsessed with their crotch as much as you say they do.

Blindness? Thanks for the tip, ill open my eyes more tomorrow... You know if you weren't such a jerk you would be a lot more persuasive! (and Im not even saying we dont agree on this, because we do!)

894 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:39:18pm

re: #883 solomonpanting

I believe they've been divorced for several years.

since Rick retired from the Lakers, I haven't followed him at all.

895 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:39:24pm

re: #887 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyway, it's a good story, so I'm going to tell it. My cousin was in Vegas with a friend, they were, I think college seniors at this point. Somehow, they managed to slip into a private party being attended by Mr. Fox. (I think being very pretty young women helped.)

Anyway, she met Mr. Fox, and they got talking, and he invited her back to his room.

My cousin, who is a good Catholic girl, said "No. You're married, and I have a boyfriend."

Mr. Fox laughed and said "You have a boyfriend? Little girl, you're not living in the real world."

To which my cousin, who is also a hot-tempered Irish lass, said "No, you're not living in the real world. In the real world, you'd just be a tall guy who couldn't get a date with Vanessa Williams."

And that was that.

Her older brother, a serious sports fan, wrote a shocked letter to the Lakers' management. I suppose it's on file somewhere.

Now that's a shootdown!

896 wee fury  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:39:48pm

re: #887 SanFranciscoZionist

Your cousin sounds like a fine lovely person.

897 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:39:56pm

re: #877 freetoken

Well one interesting point about the Ark is the incredible detail that went into describing it in the Torah.

All woojy cabbalistic discussions aside, there was only one reason to go into the excruciating detail of its construction.

It is so you know it if you see it.

Either this ark fits the description or it doesn't.

898 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:41:37pm

re: #890 iceweasel

Have some more margaritas! :)

man, it's hard to try to be yourself these days...people just want to cap me for some reason...must be my style, because in principle I rarely disagree with anyone...here and there, but nothing to warrant a rub out...forge ahead comrade...eh?

899 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:41:47pm

re: #897 LudwigVanQuixote

Well one interesting point about the Ark is the incredible detail that went into describing it in the Torah.

All woojy cabbalistic discussions aside, there was only one reason to go into the excruciating detail of its construction.

It is so you know it if you see it.

Either this ark fits the description or it doesn't.

Those are construction plans, so when Moshiach comes, they can build it again.

Same with the Temple.

900 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:42:53pm

re: #884 austin_blue

Sock puppet under every rock around here.... Earlier in the thread someone was saying there should be mandatory lurking time before someone gets to post!

No winning I suppose.

901 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:43:50pm

Ciao, mi Lizardi. I'll have some local updates tomorrow on the crazy here in Austin who took the Tea Party to a whole new level. (Oh, you don't think it's relevant? I do. Former Posse Comitatas tax freak? Badda Bing!)

Sweet dreams to all.

902 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:44:07pm

re: #897 LudwigVanQuixote

Well one interesting point about the Ark is the incredible detail that went into describing it in the Torah.

All woojy cabbalistic discussions aside, there was only one reason to go into the excruciating detail of its construction.

It is so you know it if you see it.

Either this ark fits the description or it doesn't.

But people will just go for woo, with this as with Revelations. We were talking recently about all the crazy types who try to make the number 666 mean whatever the heck they want it to mean at any given moment.
No matter what the dimensions of the Ark were in the Torah, someone can be counted on to say that 'cubit' stands for whatever-the-heck. Etc.

903 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:44:26pm

re: #884 austin_blue

BTW, upding for that fantastic investigative reporting!

904 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:44:45pm

re: #893 jeremy0114

I really was not trying to be a jerk. I am sorry you saw it that way.

The fact is that you likely are a good person, who just didn't know about the history of the slur here.

YOu should see a film called Birth of a Nation. It is totally evil. It is from the twenties. It says pretty much everything you need to know about how so much of America viewed black people. IIRC it won best picture.

However, there are huge numbers of people who deny such things on this site. I honestly expected what I was saying to be common knowledge. When I am presented with folks who deny things I consider common knowledge, I assume malice and not ignorance because of the legions of those types here.

905 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:45:33pm

re: #900 jeremy0114

Sock puppet under every rock around here... Earlier in the thread someone was saying there should be mandatory lurking time before someone gets to post!

No winning I suppose.

that was me...jesting, you have a problem with jesting?

906 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:45:37pm

re: #895 Dark_Falcon

Now that's a shootdown!


I know a couple of ex Lakers and I can assure you that the Lakers owner (Jerry Buss) is the biggest hound of all. I have seen his posse in person.
I promise that he doesn't give a damn how many women his players hit on.

907 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:46:50pm

re: #899 Cato the Elder

Those are construction plans, so when Moshiach comes, they can build it again.

Same with the Temple.

Not so.

One of the things that will make the Third Temple the third Temple is that the ark will be returned to it.

Also, according to Talmud, the Third Temple will have a slightly different layout.

908 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:47:59pm

re: #906 _RememberTonyC

I know a couple of ex Lakers and I can assure you that the Lakers owner (Jerry Buss) is the biggest hound of all. I have seen his posse in person.
I promise that he doesn't give a damn how many women his players hit on.

is he a Dr?...of medicine?...does he practice, or is that a stupid question?....I don't follow like I used to....Chuck Daly is dead, did you know that?

909 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:48:06pm

time for bed ... g'night all.

910 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:49:32pm

re: #907 LudwigVanQuixote

Not so.

One of the things that will make the Third Temple the third Temple is that the ark will be returned to it.

Also, according to Talmud, the Third Temple will have a slightly different layout.

we need more bathrooms....maybe a pool

911 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:49:37pm

re: #904 LudwigVanQuixote

We are cool... No denial here, but Ill admit to being ignorant on occasion :-)

I will check that movie out... Hopefully I can get it without the indecency of renting it and funding whoever owns the rights...

912 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:49:42pm

re: #907 LudwigVanQuixote

Not so.

One of the things that will make the Third Temple the third Temple is that the ark will be returned to it.

Also, according to Talmud, the Third Temple will have a slightly different layout.

Ah, I didn't know that.

But if I wanted to fall flat on my face with the dumbest hoax of the new millennium, I could used the Bible accounts to build an ark, make it look old (you know, distressed wood and all), and try to sell it to the Israel Museum.

At least it would give me something to do while unemployed.

913 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:49:49pm

re: #908 albusteve

is he a Dr?...of medicine?...does he practice, or is that a stupid question?...I don't follow like I used to...Chuck Daly is dead, did you know that?

Yes .... he is a doctor. And Daly died last spring. He was a class act!

See ya'll tomorrow

914 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:50:03pm

re: #799 Walter L. Newton

I wonder now if they were trying to cause trouble, posting it, which could/would make some people think I had something to do with giving them permission to do it, or I was condoning them posting it.

I had nothing to do with it and I would have never given them permission to do it.

I don't think you have any recourse.
If you'd posted it on your own blog and had a Creative Commons license with the appropriate choices, you'd have (BARELY) some ground. But it wouldn't be legal grounds per se so much as you could shame them into saying "This was written by Walter L Newton, originally posted at (blog)".

Blog comments are out there forever.

915 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:51:01pm

re: #904 LudwigVanQuixote

I really was not trying to be a jerk. I am sorry you saw it that way.

The fact is that you likely are a good person, who just didn't know about the history of the slur here.

YOu should see a film called Birth of a Nation. It is totally evil. It is from the twenties. It says pretty much everything you need to know about how so much of America viewed black people. IIRC it won best picture.

However, there are huge numbers of people who deny such things on this site. I honestly expected what I was saying to be common knowledge. When I am presented with folks who deny things I consider common knowledge, I assume malice and not ignorance because of the legions of those types here.

Actually Ludwig, Birth of a Nation came out in 1915. It was made by D.W. Griffith and at $100,000 it was the most expensive movie made up till its time. It was as evil as you understand it to have been, but still debuted to national acclaim and was the first movie even screened at the White House (by Woodrow Wilson).

916 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:51:14pm

re: #912 Cato the Elder

Ah, I didn't know that.

But if I wanted to fall flat on my face with the dumbest hoax of the new millennium, I could used the Bible accounts to build an ark, make it look old (you know, distressed wood and all), and try to sell it to the Israel Museum.

At least it would give me something to do while unemployed.

ARKS!...get yer ARK HERE!....WE HAVE ARKS!

917 blueraven  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:51:36pm

re: #116 simoom

Here's the video:

[Video]

Note the "Geld Obama" (as in neuter/castrate) sign right after the hanging speech.

Is it just me or is it bizarre how this local news channel covers this event? "Strong words spoken"? And then advertising at the end how to join up?

It's not just you. I had the same reaction. Bizarre!

918 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:51:58pm

re: #912 Cato the Elder

Ah, I didn't know that.

But if I wanted to fall flat on my face with the dumbest hoax of the new millennium, I could used the Bible accounts to build an ark, make it look old (you know, distressed wood and all), and try to sell it to the Israel Museum.

At least it would give me something to do while unemployed.

And the hoax would be discovered very very quickly,

For one thing, you would need 3000 year old acacia wood. For another, you wold need a lot of gold - that was also of the proper age and impurity content to be from the Sinai of that time.

919 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:52:04pm

re: #905 albusteve

Not at all... although it doesn't seem to work for me that well, RE my 864!

Trying to jest is what got me accused of being a sock puppet... So i'm all for it! Carry on sir...

920 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:52:37pm

re: #911 jeremy0114

We are cool... No denial here, but Ill admit to being ignorant on occasion :-)

I will check that movie out... Hopefully I can get it without the indecency of renting it and funding whoever owns the rights...

It's in the public domain. Another terrible movie to see is Triumph of the Will. Brilliantly done by that Nazi Leni Riefenstahl.

921 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:54:06pm

re: #915 Dark_Falcon

Actually Ludwig, Birth of a Nation came out in 1915. It was made by D.W. Griffith and at $100,000 it was the most expensive movie made up till its time. It was as evil as you understand it to have been, but still debuted to national acclaim and was the first movie even screened at the White House (by Woodrow Wilson).

Thanks DF!

I didn't realize it was quite that old.

I did see it however.

For those who have not seen this evil, evil film, the short form is that the Klan are the heroes and they will save the flower of Southern white womanhood from sex with black men.

922 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:55:01pm

re: #915 Dark_Falcon

Actually Ludwig, Birth of a Nation came out in 1915. It was made by D.W. Griffith and at $100,000 it was the most expensive movie made up till its time. It was as evil as you understand it to have been, but still debuted to national acclaim and was the first movie even screened at the White House (by Woodrow Wilson).

Yeah but I think that's what Ludwig is saying. It's success said something about America. I never felt that with Gone With The Wind. Somehow I didn't think GWTW was approving.

923 albusteve  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:56:15pm

re: #919 jeremy0114

Not at all... although it doesn't seem to work for me that well, RE my 864!

Trying to jest is what got me accused of being a sock puppet... So i'm all for it! Carry on sir...

well that makes both of us...I've been accused of everything they can think of...been deleted, my account blocked, you name it...and all the while I'm just trying to learn a few things and have fun...beware amigo

924 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:56:25pm

re: #915 Dark_Falcon

Actually Ludwig, Birth of a Nation came out in 1915. It was made by D.W. Griffith and at $100,000 it was the most expensive movie made up till its time. It was as evil as you understand it to have been, but still debuted to national acclaim and was the first movie even screened at the White House (by Woodrow Wilson).

It's shockingly and horribly racist, but it's also of historical value. I don't know if they still show it in film appreciation classes, but they showed it in mine. Definitely groundbreaking for its time.

925 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:57:03pm

re: #920 Olsonist

It's in the public domain. Another terrible movie to see is Triumph of the Will. Brilliantly done by that Nazi Leni Riefenstahl.

Riefenstahl was a truly talented photographer was wasted her skills in the service of a horrific cause. Strange to say, though, she wasn't a hater of black people. Her photos of Jesse Owens were incredible good and in later life she produced a photo book of the Nuba of Ethiopia. Her writing about them was direct and matter-of-fact, and carried no hint of racism. Still, her biggest influence on the world was a very negative one.

926 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:57:43pm

re: #922 Olsonist

Yeah but I think that's what Ludwig is saying. It's success said something about America. I never felt that with Gone With The Wind. Somehow I didn't think GWTW was approving.

True, but Birth of a Nation is something else entirely. Honestly, it is on par with a Goebbels production. It really is that bad.

927 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:58:53pm

re: #924 Silvergirl

It's shockingly and horribly racist, but it's also of historical value. I don't know if they still show it in film appreciation classes, but they showed it in mine. Definitely groundbreaking for its time.

Yes, and that history is a fantastic example of the racial slur about black men's sexuality, that we are seeing today in calls to geld Obama.

928 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:59:20pm

re: #925 Dark_Falcon

Leni Riefenstahl, where to start. Amazing talent. She produced the Munich Olympics and created the torch parade, IINM. Amazing talent. Won a lawsuit defending herself against charges of being a Nazi. Amazing talent, but I just don't believe her.

929 jeremy0114  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:00:55pm

Well, re: #923 albusteve

Exactly... You and me on the same page there! Thanks for the warning...

And on that note im headed for the rack... night all!!

930 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:01:06pm

re: #921 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks DF!

I didn't realize it was quite that old.

I did see it however.

For those who have not seen this evil, evil film, the short form is that the Klan are the heroes and they will save the flower of Southern white womanhood from sex with black men.

Yep.
And referring to your earlier comment: there is a tremendous theme in the US especially of looking at black men and black women in highly sexualized unflattering terms. bell hooks has a good essay on this. It's connected to ideas of them as 'other' and also as 'animalistic', primitive.
This isn't restricted to the US; there are tons of early photos and drawings of 'native' women whenever you have a colonialist power in charge. I can dig up some refs, but the Brits were quite fond of these quasi-scientific, basically pornographic photos of 'native' women.
In the US of course it's all mixed up with the sexual abuses of slaves that occurred under slavery, miscegenation laws and similar.

The Klan's obsession with their role as 'defender of white women' from the ravages of black male sexuality is nothing more nor less than projection-- awareness of (their own) white male behaviour towards black women as slaves.

931 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:01:23pm

re: #922 Olsonist

Yeah but I think that's what Ludwig is saying. It's success said something about America. I never felt that with Gone With The Wind. Somehow I didn't think GWTW was approving.

That is exactly what I am saying. But it is not just that film. Southern white fear of black sexuality oozes in American literature. It is all over the place if one decided to look, and not very hard at that. I mean how many of you have read To Kill a Mocking Bird. This is a very powerful and age old meme.

The fact that it is totally evil does not take away from the fact that we are seeing the same old evil rear its ugly head yet again.

932 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:01:38pm

re: #920 Olsonist

It's in the public domain. Another terrible movie to see is Triumph of the Will. Brilliantly done by that Nazi Leni Riefenstahl.


I was just trying to remember how to spell her name. Yes that is a terrible but worthwhile movie to see as well.

We watch both of these movies in an art history class that looked at propaganda and art. I took it as a fill in class and it ended up being one of the best classes I ever took.

933 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:01:58pm

re: #930 iceweasel

Yep.
And referring to your earlier comment: there is a tremendous theme in the US especially of looking at black men and black women in highly sexualized unflattering terms. bell hooks has a good essay on this. It's connected to ideas of them as 'other' and also as 'animalistic', primitive.
This isn't restricted to the US; there are tons of early photos and drawings of 'native' women whenever you have a colonialist power in charge. I can dig up some refs, but the Brits were quite fond of these quasi-scientific, basically pornographic photos of 'native' women.
In the US of course it's all mixed up with the sexual abuses of slaves that occurred under slavery, miscegenation laws and similar.

The Klan's obsession with their role as 'defender of white women' from the ravages of black male sexuality is nothing more nor less than projection-- awareness of (their own) white male behaviour towards black women as slaves.

Which is what I was saying all along.

934 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:04:44pm

How can one appeal to my love of cars, post-apoc fiction, and weaponry? That's how.

935 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:05:47pm

re: #924 Silvergirl

It's shockingly and horribly racist, but it's also of historical value. I don't know if they still show it in film appreciation classes, but they showed it in mine. Definitely groundbreaking for its time.

Yes it was. Griffith took great care with the cinematography and his production skill is obvious. However, like Riefenstahl, all that skill was wasted in the production of a movie that promoted a vile lie. D.W. contributed to the climate of hate that saw anti-black riots in the immediate aftermath of WWI. Moreover, his movie contributed directly to the rebirth of the Ku Klux Klan. Though the cross burning in Georgia that marked the rebirth of hat malevolent force occurred prior to the movie's release, Birth of a Nation cause the KKK to grow by leaps and bounds. The Klan even expanded into states like Indiana where it had never existed before.

936 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:07:25pm

I'm to bed. Night all.

937 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:07:31pm

re: #931 LudwigVanQuixote

That is exactly what I am saying. But it is not just that film. Southern white fear of black sexuality oozes in American literature. It is all over the place if one decided to look, and not very hard at that. I mean how many of you have read To Kill a Mocking Bird. This is a very powerful and age old meme.

The fact that it is totally evil does not take away from the fact that we are seeing the same old evil rear its ugly head yet again.

Yup. It's everywhere.
People appear ignorant of this, though. Earlier we were talking about lynchings. I think many people are unaware of just how horrific lynchings were, how often they involved torture and specifically sexualized torture and mutilation, and how long they went on.

BTW, not to go all Godwin, but there is VERY little difference between the hypersexualized animalistic portrayal of black men historically in the US and the kind of crap Der Stürmer pushed out about Jewish men for more than a decade before Hitler.

938 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:07:39pm

re: #862 LudwigVanQuixote

I still like you. Even if I can't agree with everything.
Hope that's OK with you?

939 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:08:36pm

re: #865 _RememberTonyC

Boo. Lakers should rule.
But, they suck.

940 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:09:27pm

re: #932 Jadespring

I was just trying to remember how to spell her name. Yes that is a terrible but worthwhile movie to see as well.

We watch both of these movies in an art history class that looked at propaganda and art. I took it as a fill in class and it ended up being one of the best classes I ever took.

I wish the Rhetoric Dept at Cal would have put together a good Propaganda class. I snagged a book at the library and read some stuff. Fascinating subject.

941 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:10:29pm

re: #939 Floral Giraffe

When they dumped the Big Guy, they lost me.

942 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:14:32pm

re: #930 iceweasel

The Klan's obsession with their role as 'defender of white women' from the ravages of black male sexuality is nothing more nor less than projection-- awareness of (their own) white male behaviour towards black women as slaves.

If I was to analyse from my own albeit anecdotal experience that their notion of 'race' and it's superiority has a deep connection for lack of better term 'manhood' and the defender role. That's why I think the making fun of their outward symbol of manhood and sexual prowess which symbolically are connected with power hit such a nerve. That and perhaps the fact that it was coming from a 'white' woman as well. Actually now that I think back some of the comments shot back indicate that may have been the case.

943 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:14:47pm

re: #935 Dark_Falcon

Yes it was. Griffith took great care with the cinematography and his production skill is obvious. However, like Riefenstahl, all that skill was wasted in the production of a movie that promoted a vile lie. D.W. contributed to the climate of hate that saw anti-black riots in the immediate aftermath of WWI. Moreover, his movie contributed directly to the rebirth of the Ku Klux Klan. Though the cross burning in Georgia that marked the rebirth of hat malevolent force occurred prior to the movie's release, Birth of a Nation cause the KKK to grow by leaps and bounds. The Klan even expanded into states like Indiana where it had never existed before.

I know your main point here, and I'm in agreement that the filmmaker used his talents for ill. However, to say it was a waste is about like saying the film should be put in the nearest receptacle and burned. Or is it? It has brought pain into the world and it has brought art and has advanced filmmaking. It is a blight on our history and it is part of our history. It is part of the National Film Registry, and if it's truly trash, start a movement to have it removed.

944 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:18:14pm

re: #943 Silvergirl

I know your main point here, and I'm in agreement that the filmmaker used his talents for ill. However, to say it was a waste is about like saying the film should be put in the nearest receptacle and burned. Or is it? It has brought pain into the world and it has brought art and has advanced filmmaking. It is a blight on our history and it is part of our history. It is part of the National Film Registry, and if it's truly trash, start a movement to have it removed.

It should stay on the Registry, but those who watch it should remember the baleful effects it wrought with its vile racism and historical revisionism.

Goodnight, all.

945 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:18:51pm

re: #942 Jadespring

If I was to analyse from my own albeit anecdotal experience that their notion of 'race' and it's superiority has a deep connection for lack of better term 'manhood' and the defender role. That's why I think the making fun of their outward symbol of manhood and sexual prowess which symbolically are connected with power hit such a nerve. That and perhaps the fact that it was coming from a 'white' woman as well. Actually now that I think back some of the comments shot back indicate that may have been the case.

Most definitely. It's just like the strategy for dealing with a flasher, actually -- point and laugh.
Nothing shrivels their 'egos' quicker, believe me.

946 Silvergirl  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:20:21pm

re: #944 Dark_Falcon

It should stay on the Registry, but those who watch it should remember the baleful effects it wrought with its vile racism and historical revisionism.

Goodnight, all.

Well said. Goodnight, DF.

947 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:22:56pm

re: #945 iceweasel

Most definitely. It's just like the strategy for dealing with a flasher, actually -- point and laugh.
Nothing shrivels their 'egos' quicker, believe me.

Thankfully I've never had to deal with that. I will remember that those in case it's ever needed.

948 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:23:11pm

re: #938 Floral Giraffe

I still like you. Even if I can't agree with everything.
Hope that's OK with you?

Of course we can.

And of course I like you too.

The debate about how to deal with the evil and willfully ignorant is one that I have a lot.

My stand is that evil has no messenger.

What that means is that if you order something evil, it is as if you did it. If you follow evil orders, you are not excused of your free will choice to follow an evil order. If you see evil and say nothing, you are not excused for ignoring it.

The rules of polite discourse are rules for those who still wish to reason, and who still wish to see clearly.

Once polite discourse has been rebuked multiple times with lies and hatred, taking the "high ground" is not in my opinion more moral. Rather it is giving ground to evil.

Consider this. You have Joe six pack. He is by definition average in every way. That is to say, not too bright, not too educated and not too inclined to take the time to look into anything on his own. If that sounds elitist to you, it is. Calling that fact elitist does not change the fact that this is most of America and for that matter the world.

Average intelligence is not very bright and more importantly, average curiosity is not very curious.

These people decide on what their guts tell them. If you have an evil person falsely screaming bloody murder and the other side getting all reasonable, then the average person thinks that the one screaming bloddy murder must be doping so for a reason and that since the one who is being all reasonable is acting like the one screaming bloody murder might have a valid point, then maybe he does.

This is why Israel loses in the propaganda war.

This is why ID takes traction in the US.

This is how we are losing the fight on AGW.

This is how the Teabaggers get away with their shit.

If good people just stood up and called evil what it is - evil, and stupid what it is - stupid, and then backed it up with the facts and the reasons, we would win.

But we don't. We falsely assume that Joe six pack will do his homework. That is why we fail.

949 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:28:14pm

re: #947 Jadespring

Thankfully I've never had to deal with that. I will remember that those in case it's ever needed.

Oh yes. Point at it and laugh, just make eye contact with them and start laughing.
Eyecontact and a random abusive comment about how inadequate it is works well too.

I could post some of the things I've said here but I'd probably get deleted. Heh.

/hey, I grew up somewhere where this happened all the time. Flashers are sad little (and I do mean little) men who get off on you being afraid, or frightened, or running away.

950 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:31:19pm

re: #949 iceweasel

.
Eyecontact and a random abusive comment about how inadequate it is works well too.

Make sure you smile when you say it, though. Nothing shrinks em like knowing you're laughing at them-- and nothing proves better that you're not afraid (which is what they want).

951 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:38:40pm

re: #950 iceweasel

Make sure you smile when you say it, though. Nothing shrinks em like knowing you're laughing at them-- and nothing proves better that you're not afraid (which is what they want).

Bullies always have a weakness. I would love to watch you crush those types. Only a lady could really do it right.

952 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:40:35pm

re: #950 iceweasel

Make sure you smile when you say it, though. Nothing shrinks em like knowing you're laughing at them-- and nothing proves better that you're not afraid (which is what they want).

I can see that. When I was face to face with those guys I have no problem admitting that inside I was scared. It was not a fun experience and in general I tend to avoid conflict like that. Once I realized though that that's exactly what they wanted and the it was all about intimidation it got a lot easier though because essentially I just refused to let then get power over me. Laughter in that sort of situation was a really powerful diffuser where anger just fed it. As awful as it was it was really instructive.

953 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:41:25pm

re: #951 LudwigVanQuixote

Bullies always have a weakness. I would love to watch you crush those types. Only a lady could really do it right.

I'll email you the last one. :)

954 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:46:21pm

Oh oops. LGF has struck again. I should have gone to bed a couple of hours ago.

Night night.

955 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:46:52pm

re: #952 Jadespring

I can see that. When I was face to face with those guys I have no problem admitting that inside I was scared. It was not a fun experience and in general I tend to avoid conflict like that. Once I realized though that that's exactly what they wanted and the it was all about intimidation it got a lot easier though because essentially I just refused to let then get power over me. Laughter in that sort of situation was a really powerful diffuser where anger just fed it. As awful as it was it was really instructive.

Laughter is the most powerful sword and shield against bullies, dictators and theocrats.

They really lose power when you see them as a joke.

Why do you think the Mohammed Cartoons had the impact they did?

Why do you think that comics and satirists are always the first to go in a totalitarian state?

956 The Left  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 11:47:44pm

re: #952 Jadespring

I can see that. When I was face to face with those guys I have no problem admitting that inside I was scared. It was not a fun experience and in general I tend to avoid conflict like that. Once I realized though that that's exactly what they wanted and the it was all about intimidation it got a lot easier though because essentially I just refused to let then get power over me. Laughter in that sort of situation was a really powerful diffuser where anger just fed it. As awful as it was it was really instructive.

Yeah. It's horrible. It isn't fun. At all.
But it's instructive to realise that it's about power, and whenever possible and safe, one needs to deny them that power.
I have a story I've told here before involving men groping you, or leaning into you.
Best response in a crowded place is to jam your elbow into them or otherwise hurt them, (high heels are hella useful sometimes) then turn around and announce loudly, "Oh, I'm sorry-- I didn't realise you were standing so close".

Then you have an audience and the wounded fuckwad mutters apologies while creeping away.

Wouldn't advise this in all circumstances though, at all. But it works anywhere crowded.

957 The Left  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 12:02:10am

re: #599 iceweasel

I thought we could redeem it for bottlecaps or sumpin. :(

Lol, an iceweasel hater downdinged this.

Well played, schmuck.

958 RogueOne  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:06:00am

re: #59 McSpiff

I think on a day that a member of their movement flies a plane into a building over taxes, the case could be made that it doesn't take shit all to incite the tea-baggers to violence.

What a ridiculous and ignorant statement. It's just as bad as the "hanging" quip, if not worse.

He ended his suicide screed with this:


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Now, who does that sound like to you?

959 Super-ego  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:11:25am

Was she really going to hang someone? No. At best it was a very distasteful comment. I would agree though that the Tea Party movement doesn't need this kind of speaker on stage. Only small minds use this language to motivate.

Are those that are alarmed by this, also AGW alarmists? Lots of over reaction. That bothers me more than anything else.

960 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:14:06am

re: #959 Super-ego

Man, it sucks that bothers you.

We were doing our best not to bother you, too.

Oh well.

961 pattio  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:16:29am

First, I would say "hyperbole" might be too tame a word to describe the stretch your "lynching" tagline made from the Lonesome Dove analogy. Second, gee I seem to recall Jessie Jackson on a live mike expressing the desire to "cut his (Obama's) nuts out". What happened to you guys? A couple of years ago you were rational and even-handed, then all of a sudden you plunged into evolution vs. creation/intelligent design and now Obama/Big Government worship.

962 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:32:20am

re: #961 pattio

And when Jackson said that, he was pilloried and it was all over the news.

This didn't even get a mention.

I do think it's hilarious that you think you think somehow supporting evolution isn't rational.

963 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:56:08am

re: #962 Obdicut

Didn't say the support was rational or irrational. The optimum word is "support" I would say a better description would be "proselytization". All semantics intended. In the real scheme of things, what does it matter? None of us will ever really know, unless the Creation people are right!

964 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:11:23am

re: #963 PattiO

In the real scheme of things, science and truth do matter.

965 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:26:02am

re: #789 LudwigVanQuixote

Stop commenting on something you obviously have no clue about. You sound like Jeanine Garafalo. Ignorant and uninformed. Of course there are some fringe people in the Tea Party movement, just like the extremist wackos on the left. The vast majority of Tea Partiers are NORMAL people that go to work every day, raise their kids, mow their lawns etc. they are alarmed and outraged and the complete and total disregard for the will of the American people on display in Washington. The utter squandering and redistribution of OUR MONEY to people and groups with no say so whatsoever. The steady eating away at our civil liberties and freedom. Life is f*cking hard for everybody, everybody has problems. We help those who cannot, due to REAL physical and/or mental disabilities, care for themselves, everybody else, hate it for you, you don't get the big screen tv and BMW. Go to a Tea Party, meet some people before you regurgitate crap you got off of Daily Kos.

966 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:37:19am

re: #964 Obdicut

What you fail to consider is that everything is connected. You limit your mind to accept things that only have immediate explanation. Do you have any concept of "String Theory" or quantum physics? Cymatics? How do you explain the common themes that run through ALL religions that developed on completely different time lines and in completely different parts of the globe? At some point science and religion will come together at a point of singularity. They are not mutually exclusive.

967 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:54:45am

re: #965 PattiO

If you actually spent time here, troll, you would know how well informed Ludwig actually is. Most Tea Party goers are indeed normal, and no one here denies that fact. However, those normal people are standing next to crazies holding up racist signs and advocating lynching and those normal people are not recoiling away from that hate. And sadly, that means those normal people have a very serious moral blindness.

968 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:14:55am

re: #967 Dark_Falcon

And you know that they are not being chided or scolded in any way how? Let us not forget a couple of sayings, the latter which could be fitting for the original topic of this thread; "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire. And finally, "sometimes if you give someone enough rope, they'll hang themselves."

969 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:23:28am

re: #967 Dark_Falcon

And what's with the name-calling? The first one to resort to taunts or physical violence has run out of rational arguments.

970 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:39:27am

re: #969 PattiO

You started the insults by swinging a Ludwig without provocation. When someone with few comments like you starts right in with an attack, they are considered by me to be a troll and dealt with accordingly.

971 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:40:23am

re: #966 PattiO

TIMECUBE!

972 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:43:25am

re: #969 PattiO

Oh, please, don't play the victim. You attacked LVQ, first. Now please, return to your bridge.

973 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:44:47am

re: #968 PattiO

And you know that they are not being chided or scolded in any way how? Let us not forget a couple of sayings, the latter which could be fitting for the original topic of this thread; "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire. And finally, "sometimes if you give someone enough rope, they'll hang themselves."

So... if you were a member of some certain group, and the group had someone in it who espoused this sort of talk, and that talk was not in line with the moral compass of the group, you would ignore the person, let him go on staining the rest of the group, because you like pithy sayings like "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Naw... I'd rather take a stand and say something and get rid of that person.

But that's just me. I've met a lot of conservatives that have surprised THIS CONSERVATIVE by displaying any sense of a moral base.

Like you.

974 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:44:55am

re: #968 PattiO

And you know that they are not being chided or scolded in any way how? Let us not forget a couple of sayings, the latter which could be fitting for the original topic of this thread; "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire. And finally, "sometimes if you give someone enough rope, they'll hang themselves."

We know that they're not being chided or scolded because they wouldn't be there if they were. Oh, and as for defending their right to be nutjobs, that's all well and good, but I have a right to call them nutjobs and tell them not to speak for me or my political brethren as well.

975 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:46:58am

re: #973 Walter L. Newton

So... if you were a member of some certain group, and the group had someone in it who espoused this sort of talk, and that talk was not in line with the moral compass of the group, you would ignore the person, let him go on staining the rest of the group, because you like pithy sayings like "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Naw... I'd rather take a stand and say something and get rid of that person.

But that's just me. I've met a lot of conservatives that have surprised THIS CONSERVATIVE by displaying any sense of a moral base.

Like you.

Sorry, the last sentence is not clear.

I've met a lot of conservatives that have surprised THIS CONSERVATIVE by displaying a lack of any of a moral base.

Like you.

976 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:47:21am

re: #969 PattiO

And what's with the name-calling? The first one to resort to taunts or physical violence has run out of rational arguments.

Look closely at this image, Patti.

Watch it closely. See how it wavers like your logic, and nauseates like your personality.

Look deep into the image, Patti...

977 jaunte  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:49:26am

“What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray.”

There is no excuse for statements like this, and no way to spin it that the speaker didn't say she wanted to hang Murray. That is calling for a lynching.

978 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:50:31am

re: #977 jaunte

“What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?” the woman asked. “He got hung. And that’s what I want to do with Patty Murray.”

There is no excuse for statements like this, and no way to spin it that the speaker didn't say she wanted to hang Murray. That is calling for a lynching.

Correct. I'm sorry it needed saying again, but trolls need to be refuted.

979 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:51:41am

I wondered how long it would take for people to show up defending this ugly statement.

980 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:52:23am

re: #973 Walter L. Newton

What should the rest of the crowd do? Stone him? You act as if this were some type of club, with membership where people can be voted out. It's no different than going to a football stadium with thousands of people who showed up on their own accord, if you have someone sitting next to you rooting for your opposing team, would you attempt to remove him? What's wrong with you people? And you say the Tea Partiers are extremists? Do the LGF people know you've hijacked their site?

981 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:52:43am

re: #979 Charles

I wondered how long it would take for people to show up defending this ugly statement.

Upstairs someone posted the official "spin machine" response that came out today. It's utterly unbelievable.

982 garhighway  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:53:17am

re: #966 PattiO

What you fail to consider is that everything is connected. You limit your mind to accept things that only have immediate explanation. Do you have any concept of "String Theory" or quantum physics? Cymatics? How do you explain the common themes that run through ALL religions that developed on completely different time lines and in completely different parts of the globe? At some point science and religion will come together at a point of singularity. They are not mutually exclusive.

Perhaps all religions share common features because they were all invented by human beings. Who share common features.

Just a thought.

In the alternative, what if all the religions converge someday and the one true religion turns out to be (for example) Sikhism? You cool with that? Or does your contemplated religious convergence only make sense to you if it converges on YOUR religion?

Just curious.

983 garhighway  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:53:56am

re: #980 PattiO

What should the rest of the crowd do? Stone him? You act as if this were some type of club, with membership where people can be voted out. It's no different than going to a football stadium with thousands of people who showed up on their own accord, if you have someone sitting next to you rooting for your opposing team, would you attempt to remove him? What's wrong with you people? And you say the Tea Partiers are extremists? Do the LGF people know you've hijacked their site?

Booing would be a modest beginning.

984 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:55:03am

re: #980 PattiO

We at least have the right to boo them down and express our displeasure at their views and that they do not represent the rest of us. You're saying that we have to sit there and tacitly accept the presence of the kook fringe because they have a right to speak, but what they DON'T have is a right to be heard. They can go speak elsewhere.

985 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:55:50am

re: #980 PattiO

Other than Charles himself, there are few people who could be more reckoned as "LGF people" than Walter. Anyone who even lurked here semi-regularly would know that. Which simply proves your trolldom. I'll go get the charcoal.

986 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:56:05am

re: #967 Dark_Falcon

Thanks buddy :)

re: #965 PattiO

As to you. I believe you are a bit reality impaired as well as English language challenged. Please permit me to clear up some of your confusion.

Normal people do not associate with racist, anti-science, anti- education, conspiracy theorists and say nothing when they talk about a civil war in their own country.

Normal people do not applaud such things.

Teabaggers do. This is the vicious bile that their black helicopter mongering keynote speakers push and that they eat up.

Crazy economic theories... Crazy denial of science... Racism... Sexism... Homophobia... Dominionism.... Conspiracy theories... Death panels, Birth certificates and all of that...

America is not so far gone yet, that such horrid, evil lunacy counts as normal. At least not yet.

To claim that it is somehow ok, or that the average American goes in for such evil is to abuse America and Americans. It shows no moral compass at all. It is sociopathic, and that is most certainly not normal.

987 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:57:01am

re: #980 PattiO

What should the rest of the crowd do? Stone him?


Jesus.

The people in charge of each gathering in public, because we know there is always some "in charge", only needs to point out hateful signs and signs advocating revolution and violence and ask those folks to get rid of their signs saying "this is not what the tea party is about".
When someone says something stupid the folks in charge can turn off the mic or step up and say "sorry, we refuse to condone that type of speech, go find someplace else to peddle you your hate".
That is what good people with courage would do....

988 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:58:00am

re: #982 garhighway

I don't have a religion, HORRORS! I do believe there is a Truth. I don't pretend to know what it is, but all this isn't random happenstance. I think it is much more of an amalgamation of everything, to the chagrin of almost everyone.

989 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:02:18am

re: #980 PattiO

What should the rest of the crowd do? Stone him? You act as if this were some type of club, with membership where people can be voted out.


You can always start by using your words. It's not a hard thing to do. Ones freedom of speech does not override another persons freedom of speech to express ones disapproval of what the first persons speech is.
I can totally defend a persons 'right' to say what they want. Doesn't mean they have a right to speech without anyone having an opinion about that speech.


It's no different than going to a football stadium with thousands of people who showed up on their own accord, if you have someone sitting next to you rooting for your opposing team, would you attempt to remove him?

Really bad analogy, it's not the same but anyways. No you don't have a right to remove him unless they're being harassing to the point of threatening the welfare of other people. You do however have the right to tell him that you feel his team generally stinks because their defensive line is weak and the quarterback can't throw the ball to save his life.

990 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:02:38am

re: #966 PattiO

What you fail to consider is that everything is connected. You limit your mind to accept things that only have immediate explanation. Do you have any concept of "String Theory" or quantum physics? Cymatics? How do you explain the common themes that run through ALL religions that developed on completely different time lines and in completely different parts of the globe? At some point science and religion will come together at a point of singularity. They are not mutually exclusive.

I hope they won't come together on my kids' basketball practice night.

991 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:03:38am

re: #989 Jadespring

Really bad analogy, it's not the same but anyways. No you don't have a right to remove him unless they're being harassing to the point of threatening the welfare of other people. You do however have the right to tell him that you feel his team generally stinks because their defensive line is weak and the quarterback can't throw the ball to save his life.

But enough about the Saint Louis Rams. :D

992 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:04:56am

re: #988 PattiO

I don't have a religion, HORRORS! I do believe there is a Truth. I don't pretend to know what it is, but all this isn't random happenstance. I think it is much more of an amalgamation of everything, to the chagrin of almost everyone.

But you also don't see anything wrong with insane, violence inciting, hate filled racist, conspiracy theorists.

At that point, your sense of truth or Truth becomes completely suspect.

You should consider lithium.

993 jaunte  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:04:57am
994 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:05:10am

re: #988 PattiO

Responding to reasonable commens with hostility and snark sends the meter quite high:

995 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:06:20am

re: #991 Dark_Falcon

Ha!

996 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:08:24am

re: #980 PattiO

What should the rest of the crowd do? Stone him? You act as if this were some type of club, with membership where people can be voted out.


My other suggestion is to treat the extremists that show up the same way you would if a speaker got up and started telling y'all how awesome the President is and what a great job Nancy Pelosi is doing and that paying taxes is awesome and the moral thing to do.
How would you respond to that person?

997 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:08:34am

Look at all of you, up in arms about WORDS. How many hours of footage, hundreds of people had to be gone through to find a couple of kooks with some outrageous signs or statements? Political correctness has brainwashed every one of you. In case you haven't noticed our country is racing to hell in a gasoline overcoat. The fucktards in DC have stolen our money and we're on our way to the next Great Depression. Maybe a little revolution is in order, or would you rather just let them roll right along until we have an exact replica of the old Soviet Union with a privileged political class and everyone else playing the part of the peasants paying alms to the government? I can't quite figure out your angle on all of this. What exactly is your problem with people standing up against an ever encroaching federal government?

998 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:08:43am

re: #966 PattiO

Let's leave string theory ou out of it. You are most certainly not qualified to discuss it.

And reading Brian's book doesn't count. And yes I know him by first name.

However,

I am curious about your statements about all religions.

All Western religions have a notion that persecuting the innocent is evil. They have the notion that unwarranted calls to violence are evil. Racism certainly fits that definition. How do you square that up with your tolerance of teabagger rhetoric?

Hypocrite.

999 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:12:51am

re: #997 PattiO

Look at all of you, up in arms about WORDS. How many hours of footage, hundreds of people had to be gone through to find a couple of kooks with some outrageous signs or statements? Political correctness has brainwashed every one of you. In case you haven't noticed our country is racing to hell in a gasoline overcoat. The fucktards in DC have stolen our money and we're on our way to the next Great Depression. Maybe a little revolution is in order, or would you rather just let them roll right along until we have an exact replica of the old Soviet Union with a privileged political class and everyone else playing the part of the peasants paying alms to the government? I can't quite figure out your angle on all of this. What exactly is your problem with people standing up against an ever encroaching federal government?

Uh it's politics. In case you haven't noticed in politics WORDS really do matter. WORDS describe ideas. WORDS describe what people think and what people think should be done. Politics is very much based on WORDS. They matter.

1000 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:13:27am

re: #997 PattiO

What exactly is your problem with people standing up against an ever encroaching federal government?


Oh honey, if that was all they were doing.
First any movement based on lies (death panels, Nazis, Socialists ect. ) and fearmongering pisses me off and annoys me and once you annoy me I really don't give a fuck what else they are saying.

I have a problem with people saying that revolution is a good idea and making snide racists remarks about the President and pretending like all of a sudden they care about what is happening in Washington and mixing their love of small gov't up with social conservative BS that wants to regulate private lives and inferring that the rest of us are not real Americans....
Shall I go on?

1001 jaunte  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:14:46am

re: #997 PattiO

Your original contention that the speaker didn't call for a lynching was wrong.
Your suggestion that disagreement with government policies must turn into a revolution is wrong.

1002 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:16:18am

re: #997 PattiO

So now you're comparing the Obama administration to the Soviet Union. Comparison FAIL Obama hasn't engaged in brutal acts of suppression and he does not seek to have the state run everything. Moreover, America has a vocal opposition, which has almost never been possible in Russia. You're just flinging poo and hoping it'll stick.

1003 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:17:21am

re: #998 LudwigVanQuixote

Once again Ms Garafalo, how and why are you stating with such authority that the underlying foundation of the Tea Party movement is racism? That just sooo Alinsky! Isolate some outrageous claim and repeat it often enough until the ignorant, uninformed and gullible take it as fact. Maybe you should sidekick with Keith Olberman. And look at that you are attempting to pin some type of religious ideology on me, when I have quite clearly stated that I have none. Gee, I wonder what the point of that would be? I may not be able to "discuss" string theory Mr. Name Dropper elitist, but I understand the concept.

1004 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:19:50am

re: #1003 PattiO

Why do you care? It's only a bunch of words.

1005 jaunte  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:20:21am

re: #1004 Jadespring

GarofaloAlinskyOlbermanNameDropperElitist!

1006 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:21:18am

re: #997 PattiO

Maybe a little revolution is in order, or would you rather just let them roll right along until we have an exact replica of the old Soviet Union with a privileged political class and everyone else playing the part of the peasants paying alms to the government?

What is it with you people?
Do you really want a real revolution?

What if i like our gov't the way it is am I going to be forced to protect my country from people like you?
Because real revolution involves violence.
People resist, people die...our children die.
I have no desire to take part in the teabaggers revolution, but I'll fight anyone who tries to take over this country the same as I would have supported the Union during the Civil War.

(over the top? yep. This is what happens when you use words like revolution. words actually do count.)

1007 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:22:46am

re: #1005 jaunte

GarofaloAlinskyOlbermanNameDropperElitist!

The nerve!

1008 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:25:35am

re: #1003 PattiO

Ludwig makes point involving fact, troll replies with hostility over imaginary slights:

1009 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:30:00am

re: #1000 webevintage

"First any movement based on lies (death panels, Nazis, Socialists ect.)"
Okay, this just proves how truly ignorant you are. No one has said anything about Nazis, however, with just the most basic google skills into the ACTUAL LANGUAGE,
from The Lancet: Allocation of very scarce medical interventions such as organs and vaccines is a persistent ethical challenge. We evaluate eight simple allocation principles that can be classified into four categories: treating people equally, favouring the worst-off, maximising total benefits, and promoting and rewarding social usefulness. No single principle is sufficient to incorporate all morally relevant considerations and therefore individual principles must be combined into multiprinciple allocation systems. We evaluate three systems: the United Network for Organ Sharing points systems, quality-adjusted life-years, and disability-adjusted life-years. We recommend an alternative system—the complete lives system—which prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life, and also incorporates prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles.[Link: www.thelancet.com...]
Who came up with this? Oh look! It's Rham Emmanuel's brother Ezekiel!

And if you cannot see case after case of out and out socialists, Carol Browner, and Communists, Van Jones, the list goes on in this administration you have abandoned ALL INTELLECTUAL HONESTY. Why would Obama Actively, in person, fly to Kenya and campaign for Raila Odinga (who named is son Fidel after Castro)? Here's an actual photo. [Link: nigeriantimes.blogspot.com...]
Exactly what flavor is the Kool-aide you guys are drinking?

1010 PattiO  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:34:20am

I'm going to stop wasting my time with this, I'm sure you guys are late for your "Civilian Security Force" uniforms.

1011 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:34:41am

re: #637 albusteve

I don't care what others think...I'm an ass because someone says I am?...go back and read the posts...I disregarded one sarcastic reply...one...it's not a set up or some ploy...you folks are reaching because you don't like me...too bad I guess

If you don't care, why did you feel it necessary to continue your comment?

I'm not basing my opinion of you on this one thread. You commonly ask the same question, something along the lines of "you waited x number of comments to make that stupid little observation?". Your demand that we somehow keep up with you before making a comment is what contributes to you being an ass. I had no idea it was an offense to come in late, and apparently there are others in the same boat.

In any case, you want to be an ass, go for it, I certainly have no means or desire to stop you, but if you do expect to be called on it.

1012 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:36:27am

re: #1009 PattiO


Who came up with this? Oh look! It's Rham Emmanuel's brother Ezekiel!

And if you cannot see case after case of out and out socialists, Carol Browner, and Communists, Van Jones, the list goes on in this administration you have abandoned ALL INTELLECTUAL HONESTY. Why would Obama Actively, in person, fly to Kenya and campaign for Raila Odinga (who named is son Fidel after Castro)? Here's an actual photo.
Exactly what flavor is the Kool-aide you guys are drinking?

Brwahahahahahahaha
I'm obviously not drinking the crazy!kool-aide you and Michelle Bachman are drinking.

Seriously?
Socialists and commies and Odinga OH MY!
Do you freak out with each faux-outrage?

1013 jaunte  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:37:23am

re: #1010 PattiO

I'm going to stop wasting my time with this, I'm sure you guys are late for your "Civilian Security Force" uniforms.

It's like a cliché machine.

1014 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:38:23am

re: #1010 PattiO

I'm going to stop wasting my time with this, I'm sure you guys are late for your "Civilian Security Force" uniforms.

That's it?
Thats your flounce?

Thanks for playing.

Too bad you refused to answer my question about the use of the word revolution.

1015 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:39:21am

re: #1010 PattiO

Charles, would you please get rid of this trolling teabagger?

1016 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:44:32am

re: #1012 webevintage

Brwahahahahahahaha
I'm obviously not drinking the crazy!kool-aide you and Michelle Bachman are drinking.

Seriously?
Socialists and commies and Odinga OH MY!
Do you freak out with each faux-outrage?

I like the segway from no NOT Nazis, but, but look !!! blah blah Oh my god it's Rahm! Not sure what to take from that exactly.

1017 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:47:11am

re: #1016 Jadespring

Oops posted to soon.

Then from no, no one is saying anything about Nazis...... to you, you Civil Security Force uniformed people!

1018 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:51:27am

re: #1012 webevintage

Brwahahahahahahaha
I'm obviously not drinking the crazy!kool-aide you and Michelle Bachman are drinking.

Seriously?
Socialists and commies and Odinga OH MY!
Do you freak out with each faux-outrage?

Behind every action, every statement, every corner, and under every bed is the boogeyman.

1019 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 10:59:35am

Gawd these uniforms are itchy. I wish they were made out of flannel and the starch, don't get me started on how much starch I have to use to keep the collar crisp.

1020 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 11:03:19am

re: #1019 Jadespring

Gawd these uniforms are itchy. I wish they were made out of flannel and the starch, don't get me started on how much starch I have to use to keep the collar crisp.

We won't have to wear them much longer. Dear Leader Obama will send us against the South this summer. We'll beat them into submission, and then take their supplies of cotton to serve the greater good! MUWAHAHAHA!!1

///////

1021 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 11:05:57am

re: #1020 Dark_Falcon

As long as we get to wear shorts I'll be happy enough. I'm easy to please.

1022 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 11:23:55am

re: #997 PattiO

Maybe a little revolution is in order

Maybe someone needs a cluebat alongside the head instead?

These people and their co-conspirators are a real reason to make sure everyone has the means of defending their homes, their families, & their nation because these are the greatest enemy our nation faces.

(shakes head sadly at the deluded child)

William

1023 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 11:32:05am

re: #997 PattiO

Look at all of you, up in arms about WORDS.

Because the words are evil.

How many hours of footage, hundreds of people had to be gone through to find a couple of kooks with some outrageous signs or statements?

One need not look hard to find such things. They are on the front podium and spread liberally through the crowd. It is there for all to see. It is a serious lie to try to present this as a small thing or a minority of the movement when speaker after speaker says this shit and the crowd swoons.

Political correctness has brainwashed every one of you.

Nonsense. We have not forgotten basic American values.

In case you haven't noticed our country is racing to hell in a gasoline overcoat.

Mostly because of vile fools like you.

The fucktards in DC have stolen our money and we're on our way to the next Great Depression.

Actually, the economy is improving. Look at the numbers.

Maybe a little revolution is in order,

That is treason bitch.

or would you rather just let them roll right along until we have an exact replica of the old Soviet Union with a privileged political class and everyone else playing the part of the peasants paying alms to the government?

Ummm what exactly is corporate welfare and endless tax loopholes for the wealthy? Ohhh those are your planks. You are insane. There is nothing Stalinist at all about the government. If you could define the word, you might be able to see why.

I can't quite figure out your angle on all of this. What exactly is your problem with people standing up against an ever encroaching federal government?

The angle is that you are blind deluded and crazy and trying to tear down America for reasons you do not understand while using words you do not know and you are too ignorant to apply them correctly.

1024 andres  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 1:30:55pm

re: #1023 LudwigVanQuixote

The angle is that you are blind deluded and crazy and trying to tear down America for reasons you do not understand while using words you do not know and you are too ignorant to apply them correctly.

Beautifully said.

1025 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 2:20:04pm

re: #1003 PattiO

Ohh that was too rich... you understand the concept of string theory...

Please do share. My name dropping elitist physicist side really wants to hear.

Seriously...

Please, please do tell ;)

1026 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 2:20:26pm

re: #1024 andres

Thank you.

1027 robdouth  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 2:37:24pm

The classification of what she said as calling for a lynching is a little weak. This seems like a rare case of outrageous outrage being practiced by Charles. Obviously it was said for a laugh, and it seems pretty obvious IMHO, that she mean "feel repercussions for his actions" and not literal lynching. It was a case of playing to the crowd, and when the other side does this when the meaning is obviuosly not so nefarious, it's labeled an outrageous outrage. Plus the use of the term lynching carries with it a serious racial stigma, so saying lynching gives it a very racist tinge when the word was never used. Granted, whether hanged or lynched, you're dead, but the connotation of the two is very different. Lynchings bring up the connotation of a mob persecution of an oft-times innocent person, usually based on some irrational hatred because of bigotry. To say that you would hang a horse-thief (as in lonesome dove) is an allusion to the old west, not the racial south. A little bit irresponsible with the heading, the but the sentiment is understandable. The speaker played to the crowd in a childish attempt at humor, but I'd rather we didn't all go outrageous outrage over this especially when it's at least slightyly misrepresented by the headline.

1028 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 2:49:46pm

re: #1027 robdouth

And the sign advocating gelding Obama?

1029 robdouth  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:25:12pm

re: #1028 Obdicut

That's unacceptable and a worthy topic of outrage. I never said we shouldn't be outraged at all, I just said this specific one seems a little contrived. Granted no where near what Charles has documented for the outrageous outrages, but an honest person has to admit that changing the term hanging a horse thief to lynching is a very big change in connotation. Wasn't the gelding of Obama a different link though? I'm not complaining either way, just that I think this is obviously not ment as a we should get a lynch mob together and hang said congressperson. It seems like a tongue and cheek (albeit clumsy and distasteful) reference to lonesome dove and saying "he's a horse-thief of our tax dollars, yada yada, we need to "string him up" in the sense that we don't re-elect him and make him "pay for these sins" kind of schtick. It's sentiment I don't agree with obviously, but it seems like a case of making a mountain out of a mole hill. Maybe I'm missing some other context, but I read the the article he linked to and while I disagree with the sentiment, I also disagree with labeling it "lynching" especially when the word is never used.

Best example I could come up with is if someone made a generalization about African Americans that was negative. You would want to bring it to our attention correct? Yes, obviously, but you don't label to post: Person A says all N****** have this generalization, because it's carries a much weightier connotation then just a negative stereotype or generalization about the group.

Just to prove that I'm not trying to be a naysayer just for the sake of it, I think the headline would be appropriate had the tea party person substituted Obama for Pat Murray. Given Murray is a white woman, I don't think lynching is a fair representation, especially since she explained the situation specifically relating to Lonesome Dove. However, even with the same explanation, it would not have been enough, had she said Obama, because of the clear racial overtones associated with hanging a black man, especially because in either Murray or Obama's case, it's unwarranted. One is just stupid hyperbole to play to the crowd (Murray), the other is a very ugly racially charged remark (Obama) and would appropriately deserve the word lynching in the description. I hope that clears up your question Ob Knobberson.

1030 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:27:17pm

re: #1029 robdouth

She said she wanted to hang her political opponent for running with the wrong crowd. If it's a 'joke', she's still a complete moron. At the rally was someone with a sign advocating Obama be castrated.

You're spinning very hard, but those are the actual facts. There is no sense in which hanging someone is equal to not re-electing them.


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