Bloggingheads Rematch

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Here’s a rematch with Conn Carroll of the Heritage Foundation; I pressed him pretty hard on the John Birch Society at CPAC (the talking point response is: “there were lots of groups at CPAC”), and the Heritage Foundation’s support for “intelligent design” creationism. And we found a couple of (relatively small) points of agreement.

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UPDATE at 2/21/10 9:19:14 am:

Here’s the page for the video at Bloggingheads.tv, where we already find a few apologists for the John Birch Society commenting.

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197 comments

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:00:36am

Conn is creepy in some subliminal way…he doesn’t seem to smile, at least naturally

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:03:06am

Charles is toying with Conn….gotta love it

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:07:44am

Did the first 10 minutes. Will watch the rest later.

Obdicut Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:07:51am

“There were lots of groups at CPAC”.

That isn’t even a defense. And it doesn’t acknowledge the general melange of crazy that was at CPAC.

Of course, Heritage is itself pretty crazy.

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:08:17am

Conn says JBS “will not ruin my day”…
there you have it

Spare O'Lake Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:10:09am

Fuck the JBS and those who associate with them.

Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:11:21am

re: #5 albusteve

He also said he watched their videos and didn’t see anything wrong with them. Mostly small government “end the fed” type stuff. I’d say this was a “mission accomplished” moment for the Birch Society. It’s official, they’re back.

austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:12:39am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

He also said he watched their videos and didn’t see anything wrong with them. Mostly small government “end the fed” type stuff. I’d say this was a “mission accomplished” moment for the Birch Society. It’s official, they’re back.

Entryism!

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:14:44am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

He also said he watched their videos and didn’t see anything wrong with them. Mostly small government “end the fed” type stuff. I’d say this was a “mission accomplished” moment for the Birch Society. It’s official, they’re back.

yes, sorta just walked in and everyone pretends they aren’t there….just another group

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:14:52am

What kind of name is “Conn”?

Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:14:59am

Apologists for the John Birch Society are already showing up in the comments at Bloggingheads.tv:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv…]

Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:15:17am

Conn Carroll is doing a much better job this time (so far). Last time he was trying too hard, this time there’s a good conversation happening.

Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:15:26am

re: #10 MandyManners

What kind of name is “Conn”?

Probably short for “Connor”

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:16:54am

Stack…
a general, all purpose kook….good one

Spare O'Lake Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:17:31am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

He also said he watched their videos and didn’t see anything wrong with them. Mostly small government “end the fed” type stuff. I’d say this was a “mission accomplished” moment for the Birch Society. It’s official, they’re back.

It’s sure starting to look that way, isn’t it.
Can the KKK be far behind?

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:17:48am

re: #13 Alouette

Probably short for “Connor”

Why the need to shorten it?

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:18:19am

This will probably spawn a lot of hate mail, with people calling you “Chuckie”. You know, because abbreviation is the greatest insult. I still don’t know the difference between AWG or Holocaust denial and Creationism. It’s basically the same argument: “You might have evidence, but fuck you.”

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:18:27am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Conn Carroll is doing a much better job this time (so far). Last time he was trying too hard, this time there’s a good conversation happening.

well, he’s obviously no match if he wants to get all contentious…he’s much more agreeable…

austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:18:58am

re: #11 Charles

Apologists for the John Birch Society are already showing up in the comments at Bloggingheads.tv:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv…]

Nirthers. Check.

Troofers. Check.

Birchers. Check.

Intelligent Designers. Check.

AGW Deniers. Check.

Anti-science Promoters. Check.

Is this the face of the modern conservative movement?

You know, I bet Buckley and Reagan are up to 3600 RPMs right about now!

Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:20:17am

Conn antagonizes from time to time but Charles holds firm. To what level Conn is playing the part to generate interest or fireworks I don’t know.

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:21:02am

re: #19 austin_blue

Anti-science Promoters. Check.

Is this the face of the modern conservative movement?

You know, I bet Buckley and Reagan are up to 3600 RPMs right about now!

Reagan had his own problems with science and reason.

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:21:21am

I’m pretty sure Charles was looking at his palm right there….
maybe not

austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:23:12am

re: #21 idioma

Reagan had his own problems with science and reason.

Not like this. Never to this extent. I liked Reagan. A lot. Disagreed with a lot of his policies, but he was a very good President for this country.

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:24:24am

Return of the John Birch Society?

In his history of National Review, former NR senior editor Jeffrey Hart notes one consequence of the 1964 election at the magazine. “The odor of the John Birch Society had been so strong and so intolerable, and so damaging to Goldwater,” Hart recalls, “that National Review decided that for the future of American conservatism, decisive distance had to be laid down irrevocably between the magazine and the society.”

That distance had originally been marked off in a 1962 editorial, “but that had not been enough. The distinction would now have to be made, once and for all, between a viable conservatism and the fantastic theories that energized the leadership of the JBS.” Among the JBS’s “fantastic theories” was the proposition that Dwight Eisenhower had been a Communist agent.

…

ABC’s Jonathan Karl reports that this year’s CPAC event was co-sponsored, unbelievably to me, by the John Birch Society. Karl quotes some of Buckley’s characteristically vibrant denunciations of the JBS. “Two years after Buckley’s death,” Karl observes, “the John Birch Society is no longer banished; it is listed as one of about 100 co-sponsors of the 2010 CPAC.”

Karl reasonably asks: “Why is the Birch Society a co-sponsor?”

“They’re a conservative organization,” according to Lisa Depasquale, the CPAC Director for the American Conservative Union, which runs CPAC. “Beyond that,” she told Karl, “I have no comment.”

Additional comment is required, and if Depasquale will not provide it, I will. This is a disgrace.

Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:29:34am

This is hilarious — I just checked Twitter and there’s currently a little outrageous outrage circulating among some of the wingnuts and stalkers, because I commented during Glenn Beck’s CPAC speech:

He reminds me of Hitler.

I think I just Godwin’ed myself right out.

Has anyone ever told these people about something known as a “sense of humor?”

They’re actually trying to promote the idea that I was seriously comparing Glenn Beck to Adolf Hitler! Some people really are too stupid to use the Internet.

Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:29:35am

“….there are a lot of conservatives that agree with my positions.”

No challenge on that from Conn. Good point Charles, count me as one.

Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:31:08am

Just out of curiosity (and for research purposes) is there an equivalent to CPAC gathering of progressives? I can’t seem to find anything that seems national, other than DNC stuff.

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:32:21am

re: #27 Stonemason

Just out of curiosity (and for research purposes) is there an equivalent to CPAC gathering of progressives? I can’t seem to find anything that seems national, other than DNC stuff.

The Kos convention?

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:32:54am

re: #27 Stonemason

Just out of curiosity (and for research purposes) is there an equivalent to CPAC gathering of progressives? I can’t seem to find anything that seems national, other than DNC stuff.

Does Code Pink have conventions? MoveOn.org? ISM? ANSWER?

Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:34:18am

re: #15 Spare O’Lake

It’s sure starting to look that way, isn’t it.
Can the KKK be far behind?

That’s not too far fetched. Drudge links to Buchanan and Alex Jones frequently these days. Michelle Malkin writes for VDARE, White supremacists are recruiting at Tea Parties. KKK and similar organizations are looking at how the BNP has mainstreamed itself in the UK and it wouldn’t take much for them to join the mainstream on conservative American politics.

Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:34:22am

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

re: #29 MandyManners

Thanks, I’ll look into those

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:34:46am

re: #23 austin_blue

Not like this. Never to this extent. I liked Reagan. A lot. Disagreed with a lot of his policies, but he was a very good President for this country.

The Gipper is responsible for quite a lot of blow back in the 21st century. Never forget Oliver North.

He lies:

President Reagan tells a $2,500-per-ticket
GOP fundraiser in Cinncinnati about a letter from
a blind supporter. “He wrote in Braille,”
the President claims, “to tell me that if
cutting his pension would help get this
country back on its feet, he’d like to have me
cut his pension.”
Reagan 11/30/1981

His economics:

“I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to
take care of itself.”

“Unemployment insurance is a prepaid vacation plan for freeloaders.”

His environmentalism:

“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.”

“I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast.
I’m not a scientist and I don’t know the figures, but I have a suspicion
that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide
into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten
years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so
concerned about.”

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:35:24am

re: #29 MandyManners

Does Code Pink have conventions? MoveOn.org? ISM? ANSWER?

It doesn’t seem so but, they sure like to crash others’ conventions.

darthstar Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:35:32am

re: #25 Charles

Oops…I almost ‘reported’ your post to yourself. BTW, I’m glad you have a popup for confirmation on that link…I’ve accidentally clicked it more than once.

Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:35:44am

There’s an eruption of support for Ron Paul at Stormfront after his CPAC straw poll win. One of the Nazis linked to LGF; it showed up in the referrers.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:36:15am

re: #35 Charles

There’s an eruption of support for Ron Paul at Stormfront after his CPAC straw poll win. One of the Nazis linked to LGF; it showed up in the referrers.

Could you have an open registration so that we get some fresh meat to toy with?

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:36:37am

Okay. Maybe not.

darthstar Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:37:40am

re: #27 Stonemason

Just out of curiosity (and for research purposes) is there an equivalent to CPAC gathering of progressives? I can’t seem to find anything that seems national, other than DNC stuff.

Netroots Nation in Las Vegas in a few months…Started out as “Yearly Kos” but changed its name to Netroots Nation a few years ago. Gets no-name democrats like Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, etc. to come and speak.

No JBS type groups though.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:37:44am

Looks like there is a gay pride conservative group at CPAC… interesting… how do they fit into this racist meeting?

An unlikely sponsor at this year’s annual conservative conference is hoping to not only promote the issues that set it apart from many Republicans, but also draw attention to the beliefs they share.

The group is called GOProud — a name that combines GOP and gay pride. So far, the group is getting a mixed response at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:38:58am

re: #35 Charles

There’s an eruption of support for Ron Paul at Stormfront after his CPAC straw poll win. One of the Nazis linked to LGF; it showed up in the referrers.

Someone needs to tell Storm Front that people that can spend an hour in the sun without burning their skin don’t need to make up bullshit stories about being the master race.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:39:07am

re: #10 MandyManners

What kind of name is “Conn”?

Irish.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:39:43am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Looks like there is a gay pride conservative group at CPAC… interesting… how do they fit into this racist meeting?

An unlikely sponsor at this year’s annual conservative conference is hoping to not only promote the issues that set it apart from many Republicans, but also draw attention to the beliefs they share.

The group is called GOProud — a name that combines GOP and gay pride. So far, the group is getting a mixed response at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Whatever happened to the Log Cabin Republicans?

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:39:57am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Irish.

Okay.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:40:22am

re: #15 Spare O’Lake

It’s sure starting to look that way, isn’t it.
Can the KKK be far behind?

One really, really hopes that they are deeply enough branded with their past crimes that they wouldn’t be able to pull something like this.

Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:40:24am

In case anyone thinks neo-Nazis are LGF supporters, here’s what one of the troglodytes posted at Stormfront:

Polymath
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,966

Re: Ron Paul Wins CPAC Poll

There is a Jewish Supremacist hate site called “Little Green Footballs” and this kind of thing drives them crazy, because they PRETEND to be conservatives and when a real conservative and all-American man like Dr. Ron Paul wins so many conservative polls, they go crazy with whining.

Thesw LGF Jews are the most unpatriotic Israeli-first traitors the United States sees in the blogosphere. They are vile and disgusting rats. “Charles Johnson” is the shabbat goy that fronts this obvious Zionist hate site, and even if this “Charles Johnson” moron claims to be Christian, he could care less about Christianity in the Holy Land, which is getting wiped out by Zionists, and it fared far better under the Arabs before the Khazar (Ashkenazi) fakes came to the Middle East.
__________________
“At the height of segregation and apartheid under Hendrik Verwoerd, South Africa was almost as peaceful as Switzerland but she was immoral. Today we are the apotheosis of racial morality and political correctness, yet as violent as the Congo or Liberia.” — Dan Roodt

Before there can be “anti”-Semitism, there must be Semitism.

albusteve Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Irish.

Genghis Conn was no Irishman

Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:40:33am

re: #42 MandyManners

Whatever happened to the Log Cabin Republicans?

“GOProud was founded by former members of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay and lesbian Republican grass-roots organization.”

Vambo Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:40:44am

O/T: Great article on Joseph Stack
[Link: www.slate.com…]

More comical is Stack’s portrait of his own misery. As a fuller, objective emerges, we’re likely to see more dramatic chasms between reality and his depictions, but the contradictions are already comical. Stack likens his plight to an elderly woman in the neighborhood living on cat food. He doesn’t mention eating it in the cockpit of his private plane. In Stack’s version, he lived and died a pauper. In real life, he amassed a series of businesses, a $230,000 home in an affluent community, and the airplane he crashed into the building.

Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:41:05am

The sensationalism of Welch’s charges against Eisenhower prompted several conservatives and Republicans, most prominently Goldwater and the intellectuals of Buckley’s circle, to renounce outright or quietly shun the group.[27] Buckley, an early friend and admirer of Welch, regarded his accusations against Eisenhower as “paranoid and idiotic libels” and attempted unsuccessfully to purge Welch from the society.[27] Welch responded by attempting to take over Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative youth organization founded with assistance from Buckley.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:41:08am

re: #19 austin_blue

Nirthers. Check.

Troofers. Check.

Birchers. Check.

Intelligent Designers. Check.

AGW Deniers. Check.

Anti-science Promoters. Check.

Is this the face of the modern conservative movement?

You know, I bet Buckley and Reagan are up to 3600 RPMs right about now!

If we can hook them up to generators, alternative power may be solved.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:41:25am

re: #45 Charles

Fuck you, Polymath.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:41:45am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

“GOProud was founded by former members of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay and lesbian Republican grass-roots organization.”

That’ll teach me to click before I ask.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:41:55am

re: #23 austin_blue

Not like this. Never to this extent. I liked Reagan. A lot. Disagreed with a lot of his policies, but he was a very good President for this country.

Reagan didn’t let science and reason get in his way. These guys actively seek it out to destroy it. Big big difference.

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:41:59am

re: #42 MandyManners

Whatever happened to the Log Cabin Republicans?

They got band from teh internets for wearing a tank top.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:42:45am

re: #25 Charles

This is hilarious — I just checked Twitter and there’s currently a little outrageous outrage circulating among some of the wingnuts and stalkers, because I commented during Glenn Beck’s CPAC speech:

Has anyone ever told these people about something known as a “sense of humor?”

They’re actually trying to promote the idea that I was seriously comparing Glenn Beck to Adolf Hitler! Some people really are too stupid to use the Internet.

You’re like Rush. You were just using satire. Tell them that, and it may make sense.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:43:07am

re: #52 MandyManners

That’ll teach me to click before I ask.

I do wonder why any segment of the gay community, conservative or liberal, would have anything to do with CPAC. It seems to go against everything they probably stand for socially.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:43:27am

Breakfast…

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:43:37am

re: #31 Stonemason

re: #29 MandyManners

Thanks, I’ll look into those

There is also a new group calling themselves Brownbaggers to counter the Tea Parties.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:43:39am

re: #54 idioma

I got some strange noises when I clicked on that.

Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:43:53am

re: #38 darthstar

The list of this years sponsors is not up yet, so we do not know if there are any JBS type groups.

Although the Cannibis College did sponsor last year, does that mean they had more fun than at CPAC?

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:44:08am

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

I do wonder why any segment of the gay community, conservative or liberal, would have anything to do with CPAC. It seems to go against everything they probably stand for socially.

What if they’re Fiscal Conservatives?

Vambo Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:44:17am

re: #25 Charles

This is hilarious — I just checked Twitter and there’s currently a little outrageous outrage circulating among some of the wingnuts and stalkers, because I commented during Glenn Beck’s CPAC speech:

Has anyone ever told these people about something known as a “sense of humor?”

They’re actually trying to promote the idea that I was seriously comparing Glenn Beck to Adolf Hitler! Some people really are too stupid to use the Internet.

why should that be a big deal? They’re always comparing Obama to Hitler.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:44:49am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

There is also a new group calling themselves Brownbaggers to counter the Tea Parties.

Any Two-Baggers?

Obdicut Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:44:53am

re: #45 Charles

I’d like to note their use of ‘shabbat goy’ (should be shabbos, I believe) makes very little sense. What, you only enact the lizardoid zionist plan on Saturdays?

Ignorant bigots. But I repeat myself.

The Curmudgeon Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:44:53am

Charles said that Newt is a creationist. I wasn’t aware of that. I know Newt does his share of pandering, but I didn’t know he went that far.

reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:45:33am

re: #45 Charles

In case anyone thinks neo-Nazis are LGF supporters, here’s what one of the troglodytes posted at Stormfront:

Gawd, how crazy was that!

And as an aside - I’m very glad to find out I’m an LGF Jew.
Very elite group, that.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:46:17am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Looks like there is a gay pride conservative group at CPAC… interesting… how do they fit into this racist meeting?

An unlikely sponsor at this year’s annual conservative conference is hoping to not only promote the issues that set it apart from many Republicans, but also draw attention to the beliefs they share.

The group is called GOProud — a name that combines GOP and gay pride. So far, the group is getting a mixed response at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

You hadn’t noticed them before? Various groups threatened to pull out if they were allowed to come, and Ryan Sorba denounced CPAC from the podium for allowing them.

BTW, did the Log Cabin Republicans make an appearance, or did they decide to stay away from this howlapalooza?

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:46:43am

re: #59 MandyManners

I got some strange noises when I clicked on that.

What browser do you use?

zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:47:32am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org…]

[Link: www.queerty.com…]

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:47:37am

re: #68 idioma

What browser do you use?

IE. It made bell noises.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:47:52am

re: #46 albusteve

Genghis Conn was no Irishman

No. He took his name from his beloved dentist, Marvin Kahn.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:49:25am

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

I do wonder why any segment of the gay community, conservative or liberal, would have anything to do with CPAC. It seems to go against everything they probably stand for socially.

They probably figured ‘hey, we’re conservatives, they’re conservatives, let’s go and hand out flyers’. I would be curious to hear what their experience of the event was like.

Ojoe Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:49:35am

Long video.

I think the word “Conservative” has been completely ruined for at least 100 years.

Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:49:39am

re: #65 The Curmudgeon

Charles said that Newt is a creationist. I wasn’t aware of that. I know Newt does his share of pandering, but I didn’t know he went that far.

Gingrich tries to have it both ways — he says different things to different audiences. He supported Bobby Jindal and his “academic freedom” bill, so I’m going to put him in the creationist column. Actions speak louder.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:50:18am

re: #62 Vambo

why should that be a big deal? They’re always comparing Obama to Hitler.

Yes, but Obama is literally Hitler, whereas Glenn Beck is holy and pure.

/Something like that.

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:50:36am

re: #73 Ojoe

Long video.

I think the word “Conservative” has been completely ruined for at least 100 years.

Don’t let idiots define you.

The Curmudgeon Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:50:54am

re: #74 Charles

Gingrich tries to have it both ways — he says different things to different audiences. He supported Bobby Jindal and his “academic freedom” bill, so I’m going to put him in the creationist column. Actions speak louder.

If New did that, I’m persuaded.

austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:51:18am

re: #45 Charles

In case anyone thinks neo-Nazis are LGF supporters, here’s what one of the troglodytes posted at Stormfront:

Wow. Just. Wow.

Ojoe Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:51:21am

re: #76 MandyManners

I have always resisted self-labels.

But thank you.

Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:51:23am

re: #73 Ojoe

If the giant puppets didn’t ruin the word progressive a minority if idiots is not going to ruing the word conservative.
Not while real conservatives are around to counter the idiots.
And we are here.

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but Obama is literally Hitler, whereas Glenn Beck is holy and pure.

/Something like that.

How can Obama be Hitler when George Bush had that tag for 7 years?

darthstar Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:51:57am

re: #60 Stonemason

The list of this years sponsors is not up yet, so we do not know if there are any JBS type groups.

Although the Cannibis College did sponsor last year, does that mean they had more fun than at CPAC?

You can count on it.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:52:24am

re: #64 Obdicut

I’d like to note their use of ‘shabbat goy’ (should be shabbos, I believe) makes very little sense. What, you only enact the lizardoid zionist plan on Saturdays?

Ignorant bigots. But I repeat myself.

To people like this, who’ve picked up on the phrase somehow, it means a Gentile who is helping to promote the eeevil Zionist agenda.

The shabbos goy has come a long way from the days when he was a Russian peasant kid who would come by to build up the fire and get a penny and a bowl of cholent in return.

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:53:06am

re: #70 MandyManners

IE. It made bell noises.

try chrome, I had no trouble with it.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:53:29am

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Gawd, how crazy was that!

And as an aside - I’m very glad to find out I’m an LGF Jew.
Very elite group, that.

Welcome to the Tribe, Reine. Your Hebrew name, BTW, would be Malka.

Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:53:58am

re: #82 darthstar

And a poker players group…sheesh, don’t they know not to play poker stoned?

Oh, nevermind.

//booking tickets for the easy money from the stoned poker players

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:53:59am

re: #84 idioma

try chrome, I had no trouble with it.

I’m not gonna’ switch browsers just to look at celebrity gossip sites but, thanks any way!

austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:54:18am

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Gawd, how crazy was that!

And as an aside - I’m very glad to find out I’m an LGF Jew.
Very elite group, that.

I’m an LGF Deist!

((Does that mean that I can still be an unpatriotic, vile and disgusting rat?))

MandyManners Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:54:26am

Gonna’ whip up some omelets.

Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:54:57am

re: #45 Charles

In case anyone thinks neo-Nazis are LGF supporters, here’s what one of the troglodytes posted at Stormfront:

You get a discount at the Zionist Mall, but everybody else has to pay retail. (BTW did you ever pick out that T-shirt? Which one did you get?)

reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:55:22am

re: #88 austin_blue

I’m an LGF Deist!

((Does that mean that I can still be an unpatriotic, vile and disgusting rat?))

Well - I’m an LGF Jew who is a Catholic.
The guy’s description seemed to describe everybody over here as an “LGF Jew”.
So I just ran with it.

Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:55:39am

re: #89 MandyManners

Gonna’ whip up some omelets.

You sadist. You whip cream and mash potatoes too, don’t you?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:55:56am

re: #80 Stonemason

If the giant puppets didn’t ruin the word progressive a minority if idiots is not going to ruing the word conservative.
Not while real conservatives are around to counter the idiots.
And we are here.

I don’t call myself a progressive, and the people with the big puppets are part of the reason why.

idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:56:06am

re: #87 MandyManners

I’m not gonna’ switch browsers just to look at celebrity gossip sites but, thanks any way!

That’s not the reason you should try Chrome. It’s all about speed.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:56:20am

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

How can Obama be Hitler when George Bush had that tag for 7 years?

The president has first dibs on being Hitler! Isn’t it obvious?

zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:56:49am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

i was scared to look for a second.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:57:07am

re: #88 austin_blue

I’m an LGF Deist!

((Does that mean that I can still be an unpatriotic, vile and disgusting rat?))

Go for it!

Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:57:46am

Good debate Charles. I liked Conn but sometimes don’t know if he’s playing a part for the sake of drumming up a few fireworks vs antagonizing as part of his debate style.

Either way, you were a Little Green rock. Any other BH’s you may debate? I liked watching Goldberg and Beinart a few times.

SteveC Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:58:25am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

The president has first dibs on being Hitler! Isn’t it obvious?

What about Al Haig, when he was in control? Did he get to be Hitler for about half an hour?

///

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:58:40am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

To people like this, who’ve picked up on the phrase somehow, it means a Gentile who is helping to promote the eeevil Zionist agenda.

The shabbos goy has come a long way from the days when he was a Russian peasant kid who would come by to build up the fire and get a penny and a bowl of cholent in return.

He’d get a bowl of cholent and a piece of kugel, maybe also some honey cake and a sip of mashka. Jews don’t handle money on the Sabbath.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:00:18am

re: #100 Alouette

He’d get a bowl of cholent and a piece of kugel, maybe also some honey cake and a sip of mashka. Jews don’t handle money on the Sabbath.

My great-grandma would leave a nickel on the counter for the kid who helped her on Shabbos. This was in New York, of course, so I believe he was Italian.

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Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:00:24am

I might as well ask for my Hebrew name.. BigPapa?

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:00:34am

re: #94 idioma

That’s not the reason you should try Chrome. It’s all about speed.

I found out that my website doesn’t render correctly in Chrome, the page contents display a full screen below the sidebar elements. Chrome is supposed to render the same as Safari, but my site renders correctly in Safari.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:00:34am

re: #99 SteveC

What about Al Haig, when he was in control? Did he get to be Hitler for about half an hour?

///

In the future, everyone will be Hitler for fifteen minutes.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:00:49am

Carl in Jerusalem is now tweeting the “Charles Johnson called Glenn Beck Hitler” outrageous outrage. And Pat Dollard.

Whee!

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zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:00:58am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

“Well, I Don’t Really Want To Shake Your Hand, You’re Intrinsically Evil.”

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:01:11am

re: #102 BigPapa

I might as well ask for my Hebrew name.. BigPapa?

Abba Gadol.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:01:57am

re: #102 BigPapa

I might as well ask for my Hebrew name.. BigPapa?

Well, ‘Reine’ translates directly to a woman’s name, so that was easy…uh, “Abba Gadol” I suppose. Alouette?

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Irenicum Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:02:38am

re: #45 Charles

The whole “Khazar” line is a classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Any time I hear that phrase I already know where they’re coming from and don’t pay them any more attention.

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:03:01am

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandma would leave a nickel on the counter for the kid who helped her on Shabbos. This was in New York, of course, so I believe he was Italian.

We are in Detroit, and give a piece of kugel to the African-American who helps out on the rare occasions that we need it.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:03:51am

re: #106 zora

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

“Well, I Don’t Really Want To Shake Your Hand, You’re Intrinsically Evil.”

Yeeee-haaah!!!!!

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Irenicum Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:04:45am

I was a shabbos goy for a short bit back in NYC. I loved it. And btw, this lizard is an evangelical Christian, so Charles’ crew is pretty diverse!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:05:00am

re: #109 Irenicum

The whole “Khazar” line is a classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Any time I hear that phrase I already know where they’re coming from and don’t pay them any more attention.

I once had the strangest conversation with an Iraqi-Jewish acquaintance, who just couldn’t see why the ‘Khazar’ thing was a slur. Very aggravating, but interesting.

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Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:06:36am

Can I be an honorary Zionist Atheist poi dog?

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Irenicum Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:06:47am

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Since they’re not steeped in the European culture, it wouldn’t make sense to them. I’m sure the idea of it being a slur must’ve seemed like Mars to them.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:07:45am

re: #110 Alouette

We are in Detroit, and give a piece of kugel to the African-American who helps out on the rare occasions that we need it.

Apropos of nothing but Jewish-Gentile interactions, there was a young black firefighter in my childhood neighborhood, who spoke good Yiddish.

He’d worked in high school and college for an old Jewish guy who had a little grocery store.

We lived in a building full of old Jewish ladies, and his random skill came in very handy on emergency calls. At least one little old lady said that when she saw this young handsome black man speaking Yiddish through the haze of her heart attack, she assumed she was gone, and he was an angel.

We kind of think he was, and happily, she recovered.

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Irenicum Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:08:32am

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Very cool!

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austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:09:06am

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeee-haaah!!!

Well, isn’t Sorba special?

Yuck.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:09:27am

re: #115 Irenicum

Since they’re not steeped in the European culture, it wouldn’t make sense to them. I’m sure the idea of it being a slur must’ve seemed like Mars to them.

Probably true, although this woman was raised in the States, and I think should have gotten it…but she likes to insist that Mizrachim are people of color, and Ashkenazim are white, so, already we had some stuff there to wade through…

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:11:26am

David Icke forum pwn3d by the Zionist Hotlink Squad!

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Irenicum Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:12:22am

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting. It’s fascinating how people so often feel the need to identify with a certain color/ethnicity. Humans are strange.

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Kronocide Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:18:32am

re: #121 Irenicum

Interesting. It’s fascinating how people so often feel the need to identify with a certain color/ethnicity. Humans are strange.

It’s a natural and probably subliminal urge. Even within a racial or social group, people will then find other similarities to further safety. Many people think where they came from or their genetic roots are who they are. Where I live race and social grouping is still a large part of society, but all in all it’s not a bad thing.

A very popular local song has a line:

“….where you from is who you are…”

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Randall Gross Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:29:19am

If the Birchers are the new definition of conservatism, don’t call me a conservative ever again.

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Linden Arden Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:31:40am

Anyone who says “end the Fed” is a certifiable nutjob.

The Reserve is the peoples bank, owned by the taxpayers and designed as a last measure to save depositors from banking panics.

The Fed returned $46 billion in profits to the US Treasury in January 2010.

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Locker Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:32:21am

Great to see you out there again Charles. Can’t imagine the pressure on you for that kind of exchange. Thank you for representing for so many of us.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:33:33am

re: #125 Locker

Great to see you out there again Charles. Can’t imagine the pressure on you for that kind of exchange. Thank you for representing for so many of us.

I just threw up in my mouth a little… oops… a lot…

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Locker Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:34:40am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

I just threw up in my mouth a little… oops… a lot…

My day just got a whole lot better.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:35:37am

re: #127 Locker

My day just got a whole lot better.

How’s the weather up your way?

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Locker Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:37:44am

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

How’s the weather up your way?

Stoney… with early warning signs of Lunch.

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Dona Quixote Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:38:16am

Hey, do I count as a LGF jew? I’m a neo Christian Pagan, according to a Facebook quiz that is! I’ve never tried to label it myself. Liberal is now a bad word, so they’ve become progressives, and we can’t call ourselves feminists anymore, and conservative now means you’re a Palin/Beck loving mouth breather. What about those of us who call ourselves moderates? Are we going to rename ourselves? I want a fancy new name….other than sane that is.

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Locker Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:38:59am

re: #130 Dona Quixote

Hey, do I count as a LGF jew? I’m a neo Christian Pagan, according to a Facebook quiz that is! I’ve never tried to label it myself. Liberal is now a bad word, so they’ve become progressives, and we can’t call ourselves feminists anymore, and conservative now means you’re a Palin/Beck loving mouth breather. What about those of us who call ourselves moderates? Are we going to rename ourselves? I want a fancy new name…other than sane that is.

Moderates are now Agnostics.

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:40:26am

re: #130 Dona Quixote

Hey, do I count as a LGF jew? I’m a neo Christian Pagan, according to a Facebook quiz that is! I’ve never tried to label it myself. Liberal is now a bad word, so they’ve become progressives, and we can’t call ourselves feminists anymore, and conservative now means you’re a Palin/Beck loving mouth breather. What about those of us who call ourselves moderates? Are we going to rename ourselves? I want a fancy new name…other than sane that is.

Buy something at the Zionist Mall and you will receive an “LGF Jew” certificate suitable for framing.

Hmm, have to design a certificate. Jaunte, wanna help? :)

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zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:43:49am

we are all lgf jews now

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Locker Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:45:02am

re: #133 zora

we are all lgf jews now

I don’t care what you say I am NOT eating Gefilte fish. No way.

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Randall Gross Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:45:31am

The “did not forsee” and “could not forsee” part of the constitution was rectified in large part by the 14th amendment.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:46:13am

re: #134 Locker

I don’t care what you say I am NOT eating Gefilte fish. No way.

Be Sephardi, then.

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Dona Quixote Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:47:33am

Seriously, I have always been a politcal moderate, but I am thinking of changing my registration to Independent after several decades of calling myself a Republican. I’ve never missed even a local election, but I have no one in the presidential primary to vote for. And it’s getting embarassing….The word conservative isn’t the only one being slimed.

And I have always wanted to try those potato pancakes….

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:50:16am

re: #134 Locker

I don’t care what you say I am NOT eating Gefilte fish. No way.

The new frozen gefilte fish rolls are really delicious! No jelly, like that jarred crap.

Anyway, sushi is the new gefilte fish.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:50:41am

WTF? How did I end up on the Heritage Foundation’s mailing list?

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:50:46am

re: #137 Dona Quixote

I would have registered Republican a long time ago but in PA one really can not vote in the primaries unless one is a D or an R. I have been one or the other for primaries over the last 25 years of voting.

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:53:22am

re: #140 Stonemason

oops, I meant independant a long time ago.

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:54:42am

re: #141 Stonemason

and besides previewing I should use the spell check feature.

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Locker Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:54:59am

re: #140 Stonemason

I would have registered Republican a long time ago but in PA one really can not vote in the primaries unless one is a D or an R. I have been one or the other for primaries over the last 25 years of voting.

Real Steeler fans register D! (Wouldn’t surprise me if those traitorous Eagles fans are all Rs though.)

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Dona Quixote Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:55:00am

re: #140 Stonemason
We have a wierd district where all the local politicians are Democratic, but the national ones all go Republican. I can’t join the Democratic party because I just don’t like the way the local party operates, and I am a pure RINO under today’s standards. So is there a third party that doesn’t involve teabagging as I can be somewhat prudish?

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zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:55:39am

IRS Union Chief Slams CPAC-er’s Austin Plane Crash ‘Joke’

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

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Randall Gross Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:56:31am

Great job Charles, I like how you were dogged about the facts, and how Conn appeared somewhat dumbfounded that you weren’t taking his bait. I think they are drinking their own kool aid too much and can no longer understand Americans who are suspicious of the hysteria on both sides of the aisle. Not a good sign for their future.

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Racer X Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:57:14am

Good job Charles!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:57:30am

re: #145 zora

IRS Union Chief Slams CPAC-er’s Austin Plane Crash ‘Joke’

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

That’s supremely tasteless, and frankly, I didn’t like what Scott Brown said about it either.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:58:09am

re: #144 Dona Quixote

We have a wierd district where all the local politicians are Democratic, but the national ones all go Republican. I can’t join the Democratic party because I just don’t like the way the local party operates, and I am a pure RINO under today’s standards. So is there a third party that doesn’t involve teabagging as I can be somewhat prudish?

Tea Party is not a party, as far as I understand it. It is a political activist group who’s stated intent is to influence both parties… that’s the basic idea as I have had it related to me by a family member, I don’t keep up with them like some here do, so I may be totally wrong.

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:00:25am

re: #143 Locker

Many more D’s than R’s at the Link, Philly is controlled by the Carpenter’s union (with the SEIU trying hard to take over)

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:02:22am

OT - anyone interested in roller coasters, a year or so ago, it was announced that someone finally found some film footage of the Crystal beach Cyclone, which has been considered by coaster enthusiasts to be one of the most roughest and dangerous coasters ever built.

A little You Tube of the ride… you decide…

Youtube Video

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Political Atheist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:02:24am

re: #27 Stonemason

The DNC is just as crazy. They have the high level party connections. They have the fringe Communists, the Aztlan / MECHA nuts the anarchists… The anti fur vandals I could go on.

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Political Atheist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:03:46am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

But they really have the fewest illusions about influencing the left. They know that is the group to defeat, and aim their appeal at anything breathing and right leaning.

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zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:04:21am

tea party leaders have stated that their intention is to take over the republican party

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

[Link: crooksandliars.com…]

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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:05:03am

Good afternoon, LGF. After some R&R, I’ve recovered from my temporary insanity caused by CPAC.
:)

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Randall Gross Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:06:27am

re: #144 Dona Quixote

We have a wierd district where all the local politicians are Democratic, but the national ones all go Republican. I can’t join the Democratic party because I just don’t like the way the local party operates, and I am a pure RINO under today’s standards. So is there a third party that doesn’t involve teabagging as I can be somewhat prudish?

If your state elects Republicans to nat’l office I would say it’s incumbent on you to hang in their as a Republican to help keep the whackballs from having overmuch influence on those candidates. At least till the primaries are over.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:08:06am

re: #153 Rightwingconspirator

re: #154 zora

I’m aware that there is mixed messages out there. My family member always falls back on the “each chapter is autonomous” when I question this person about some public statement I hear. Yet, I hear the family member spin the same concepts. A lot of tap dancing going on.

Like I say, I don’t think I have ever read a single article about them, or watched a single video about them or by them.

It doesn’t take a lot of insight into them to understand what they actually stand for, and I see no reason to waste any time discussing them in any detail.

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:08:06am

re: #154 zora

Intent and what actually happens are two different things. Those nuts can intend all they want, they are being defeated at the state levels when they try to get those ‘litmus tests’ installed. The links are up-thread, or downstairs, not sure which.

The tea party groups will self destruct

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Political Atheist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:08:55am

re: #158 Stonemason

I agree they are a temporary boil, and will come to the same end.

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zora Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:09:43am

re: #158 Stonemason

i certainly hope so.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:11:38am

White Nationalist Conference in DC was not canceled…..
American Renaissance Live Right Now Reported Live From Washington, DC Today Feb. 19, 2010
(via google)

I am reporting to you live right now from Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance Conference.
Jared Taylor is speaking to us as I type. I will be reporting in real time as we here in Herndon, Virginia proceed with our reborn Renaissance conference.

Please let folks know about our live reporting. It’s now 10:51am ET.
….
The 2010 American Renaissance Conference has gotten off to a fine start to our Saturday, Feb. 20, program. Jared Taylor, Director of AmRen, gave a heartfelt opening.

We are now hearing from Matt Tait of the British National Party. He is describing to us the excellent strategy of the BNP which has taken shape in its innovative Constitution revisions.

Matt Tait is the BNP branch organizer for Buckinghamshire. Mr. Tait is eloquently making the point that saving a future for our people is overwhelmingly important that all secondary issues that might lead to some dissension must be simply set aside.
….

Yes, they also attended CPAC….

Dear WhiteNewsNow Friends,
…..
WhiteNewsNow was also represented well at the huge (10,000+ attendees) Conservative Political Action Conference in the huge Marriott Wardmann Park. You’ll see photos we took, from both the Thursday and Friday talks given by Ron Paul to us. Ron steamrollered the Neocon opposition.

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Dona Quixote Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:13:14am

re: #156 Thanos

Yes, you’re right. I will have to wear my RINO tag a while longer.

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jaunte Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:13:39am

Good exchange. It’s interesting that Conn Carroll seems to admit that Sarah Palin is not a serious candidate, and is taking up the public’s attention for her own showbiz reasons.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:20:31am

re: #161 Killgore Trout

White Nationalist Conference in DC was not canceled…
American Renaissance Live Right Now Reported Live From Washington, DC Today Feb. 19, 2010
(via google)

Yep, the American Renaissance crowd is hooking up with the BNP. Been doing it for years actually — they’re just getting more open about it now because the atmosphere on the right is more welcoming of their ideas.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:24:26am

re: #164 Charles

The White Nationalists were thrilled with CPAC….
Ron Paul and Andrew Napolitano talk to thousands of us Ron Paul Revolutionaries in the Marshall Rooms at CPAC
on Thursday, Feb. 18, 2010
Photo by Jamie Kelso - use freely

This talk and Q & A with Ron was a truly inspiring event. All of us in attendance got the clearest signal from Ron that he IS running for President in 2012.

I saw Ron Paul twice before AmRen, on Thursday and Friday, Feb. 18 and 19, at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) held at the huge Marriott Wardmann Park, about 3 miles north of the White House.

There were more than 10,000+ entirely White right-wingers in attendance for three days. It was an astonishing experience. Unforgettable.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:26:39am

re: #164 Charles

re: #165 Killgore Trout

I actually glad all this is happening the way it is. Sounds like it’s a great time to separate the chafe from the wheat.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:28:40am

Jamie Kelso

Jamie Kelso (June 8, 1948) is Administrator of the American White Nationalist website WhiteNewsNow(dot)com. He hosts daily webradio programs, including The Jamie Kelso Show on the Voice of Reason Broadcast Network ReasonRadioNetwork(dot)com.
….
He was featured in the chapter entitled “The Idealist” in the 1976 book What Really Happened to the Class of ‘65? by Michael Medved and David Wallechinsky, both former high school classmates of Kelso’s. When interviewed for the book, Kelso talked about his early interests in existentialism, and his later development into a reader of Ayn Rand and then an ardent devotee of the John Birch Society. [2]

It’s easy to see why he felt so at home at CPAC.

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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:28:47am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

re: #165 Killgore Trout

I actually glad all this is happening the way it is. Sounds like it’s a great time to separate the chafe from the wheat.

As painful as this might be to conservatives, it must be done.

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:29:57am

re: #165 Killgore Trout

This guy must piss them off then…

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:31:11am

re: #168 Varek Raith

Not painful at all to me to see nut jobs cast aside, the racists in both parties should be marginalized, as should the violent extremeists in both parties.

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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:32:08am

re: #170 Stonemason

Not painful at all to me to see nut jobs cast aside, the racists in both parties should be marginalized, as should the violent extremeists in both parties.

Yeah, my comment didn’t come out like I envisioned it. I completely agree with casting out these people.

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Stonemason Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:32:49am

re: #171 Varek Raith

I knew what you meant…

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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:33:49am

re: #169 Stonemason

I’m sure what little ethnic diversity there was annoyed him. Luckily he didn’t seem to encounter many non-whites.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:34:13am

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I’m sure what little ethnic diversity there was annoyed him. Luckily he didn’t seem to encounter many non-whites.

Don’t think luck had much to do with it. ;)

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Racer X Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:34:26am

So, 2012 looks to be Sarah Palin (R) running against Ron Paul (L) and Barrack Obama (D).

Shoot me.
Shoot me now.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:35:50am

re: #175 Racer X

So, 2012 looks to be Sarah Palin (R) running against Ron Paul (L) and Barrack Obama (D).

Shoot me.
Shoot me now.

At least it won’t be boring.

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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:39:17am

re: #176 Varek Raith

Er…hmmm, my comment might be delete worthy..
/Good grief, I’m walking on eggshells today!
:shrugs:

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Racer X Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:39:17am

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

At least it won’t be boring.

I plan on drinking heavily.

A few guidelines:

8 Rules to Drinking Beer that is Good for You

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Racer X Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:40:06am

re: #178 Varek Raith

Er…hmmm, my comment might be delete worthy..
/Good grief, I’m walking on eggshells today!
:shrugs:

I took it as you were granting me my wish, and taking ME out.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:48:54am

I still find it impossible to believe that Palin will get the Republican nomination.

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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:50:07am

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I still find it impossible to believe that Palin will get the Republican nomination.

Sadly…I do not… Though, I think I’m losing it, metaphorically speaking.
:P

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webevintage Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:52:48am

re: #106 zora

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

“Well, I Don’t Really Want To Shake Your Hand, You’re Intrinsically Evil.”

I read that yesterday.
Sorba is really a tool.

BUT I also wondering how much of the offensive shit these people spew is more about making money and gaining influence then about what they really, truly feel .
I always think there is no way a person can be as cold hearted as Ann Coulter or Rush make themselves out to be.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:53:12am

And for no other reason than that I’m feeling mean and cranky—Sarah’s grandbaby has government-paid medical care.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:54:04am

re: #183 webevintage

I read that yesterday.
Sorba is really a tool.

BUT I also wondering how much of the offensive shit these people spew is more about making money and gaining influence then about what they really, truly feel .
I always think there is no way a person can be as cold hearted as Ann Coulter or Rush make themselves out to be.

If you do this for money, you’re bigger scum by me than if you do it out of conviction.

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SixDegrees Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:55:39am

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I still find it impossible to believe that Palin will get the Republican nomination.

Any Palin campaign will last just as long as it takes for someone to utter the word “quitter.” In other words, it will be measured in seconds.

But there’s never going to be such a campaign. Palin has taken the job of professional pundit, delivering opinions on other’s actions from a tightly access controlled environment in which she never has to actually deal with the unwashed public or answer any unscripted questions. Much like Keith Olbermann. It’s a lucrative occupation, at least for the short term, but it isn’t one that lends itself to a transition back into the political arena, especially when your earlier actions (like QUITTING) already hang around your neck like a dead albatross.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 21, 2010 11:59:29am

re: #186 SixDegrees

Any Palin campaign will last just as long as it takes for someone to utter the word “quitter.” In other words, it will be measured in seconds.

But there’s never going to be such a campaign. Palin has taken the job of professional pundit, delivering opinions on other’s actions from a tightly access controlled environment in which she never has to actually deal with the unwashed public or answer any unscripted questions. Much like Keith Olbermann. It’s a lucrative occupation, at least for the short term, but it isn’t one that lends itself to a transition back into the political arena, especially when your earlier actions (like QUITTING) already hang around your neck like a dead albatross.

I agree. I don’t think she will ever allow herself to be in a position where a Republican actually qualified to serve as president can take her apart. It would not be pretty.

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tradewind Sun, Feb 21, 2010 12:00:38pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
I think you can relax, ‘cause I can’t really believe that when we really get down to the lick-log, she will actively seek it. Too much to lose.

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SixDegrees Sun, Feb 21, 2010 12:03:25pm

re: #188 tradewind

I think you can relax, ‘cause I can’t really believe that when we really get down to the lick-log, she will actively seek it. Too much to lose.

That’s my view as well. She’s making more money than an Alaska politician could ever dream about right now, and can probably keep that gravy train rolling for another year, maybe two, all the while never leaving her Fortress of Solitude to answer unpleasant questions from outsiders.

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austin_blue Sun, Feb 21, 2010 12:35:33pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

If you do this for money, you’re bigger scum by me than if you do it out of conviction.

Ding ding ding!

Well said, SFZ.

*Very* well said.

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idioma Sun, Feb 21, 2010 1:14:56pm

re: #103 Alouette

I found out that my website doesn’t render correctly in Chrome, the page contents display a full screen below the sidebar elements. Chrome is supposed to render the same as Safari, but my site renders correctly in Safari.

It might have something to do with how they execute HTML then. Safari and Chrome definitely are not the same browser, this is double-true on a mac.

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Gus Sun, Feb 21, 2010 2:28:34pm

Good job Charles. Conn Carrol was in a much better mood.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 21, 2010 3:47:25pm

re: #186 SixDegrees

Any Palin campaign will last just as long as it takes for someone to utter the word “quitter.” In other words, it will be measured in seconds.

But there’s never going to be such a campaign. Palin has taken the job of professional pundit, delivering opinions on other’s actions from a tightly access controlled environment in which she never has to actually deal with the unwashed public or answer any unscripted questions. Much like Keith Olbermann. It’s a lucrative occupation, at least for the short term, but it isn’t one that lends itself to a transition back into the political arena, especially when your earlier actions (like QUITTING) already hang around your neck like a dead albatross.

Pundit rockstardom. She can flog the idea of her becoming a movement leader to the fringy people who want her to run for president, parlay that into a Tv show, books, t-shirts, pendant keychains, bumper stickers, her own brand of canned soup…(out of the way Wolfgang Puck!)

But yeah, she ain’t running. :D

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wrenchwench Sun, Feb 21, 2010 4:36:01pm

I liked that better than the last one, which I didn’t expect because I really enjoyed the last one.

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Blue Fin Sun, Feb 21, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #11 Charles

Damn you’re a ringer for Don Henley Charles

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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 21, 2010 6:37:08pm

re: #195 Blue Fin

Damn you’re a ringer for Don Henley Charles

Except I sing better.

/I wish

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cgn38navy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:00:27am

re: #196 Charles

Sorry to comment so late on this post. We haven’t agreed on AGW and some other things lately, but good job keeping the right aware that there are kooks in wings.

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