The great Don Ross plays his composition “Tight Trite Night,” on a terrific-sounding Beneteau “fan fret” guitar. This tune is on the album Passion Session.External Image (The iTunes Store has it too.)
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:14:21pm |
re: #1 Thanos
Fan fret from the angled fret bars?
Yes. It's a beautiful guitar - here's a full size pic:
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:15:53pm |
re: #2 Charles
Yes. It's a beautiful guitar - here's a full size pic:
[Link: www.beneteauguitars.com...]
I'm guessing that the angles are either to make fretting more fluid or to make tuning more even, not sure which. Wonder how hard it would be to switch between one of those and a straight fret guitar?
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researchok Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:16:26pm |
Just heard that from link below. Guitar on a whole other level.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:17:12pm |
I was expecting the "happy trees" guy. But that's Bob Ross.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:17:40pm |
re: #3 Thanos
It's to correct tuning/intonation. There's a mathematical basis for the desing but I'm not sure how well they work in general practice. I've never actually played one before.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:17:55pm |
Where'd all his hair go (compared to the album cover photo)?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:20:58pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
It's to correct tuning/intonation. There's a mathematical basis for the desing but I'm not sure how well they work in general practice. I've never actually played one before.
Yes, it's supposed to give much better intonation, especially for wide non-standard tunings. He's got the bottom string tuned down to a B here.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:25:01pm |
re: #8 Charles
I would think it would be ok for open tunings but for standard tuning it looks like it would be a mess.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:27:54pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I would think it would be ok for open tunings but for standard tuning it looks like it would be a mess.
A lot of players like them - I haven't played one, but they say you barely notice the difference in the frets. Supposed to be slightly more naturally placed for the fingers, in fact.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:30:16pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I would think it would be ok for open tunings but for standard tuning it looks like it would be a mess.
The arguments for it I've read stress it's ergonomic advantages. Typically, the 6th (or 8th) fret is at right angles to the neck, like frets on normal guitars, and the frets "fan" on either side of it, making common fingerings, especially bars, easier. The difference in fret spacing is made up for by lengthening the lower strings, as seen by the sharply angled bridge. This also changes the bass to treble response, giving the bass a boost because the longer bass strings are more efficient.
It seems like it would be truly a bitch to build and get right over the entire range of the instrument, as opposed to traditional fret arrangements. I'm guessing fanned instruments are considerably more expensive.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:32:07pm |
I'm glad they found these mistakes before it was too late... from the Guardian...
This is good science. The ability to admit mistakes and attempt to make the corrections needed.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:34:51pm |
A small tribute to the hamsters, because they've given us so little trouble lately.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:37:07pm |
re: #13 wrenchwench
A small tribute to the hamsters, because they've given us so little trouble lately.
Aww.
I love small furry things.
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Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:39:09pm |
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RogueOne Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:39:14pm |
Has everyone been keeping up with the lawsuit against the school district who used the laptop cam to spy on the student?
[Link: reason.com...]
AP reports the FBI is investigating the school district's webcam program, and district spokesman Doug Young suggests without claiming that Harriton High School student Blake J. Robbins' webcam was activated only because the laptop had been reported stolen -- in accordance with an established policy. The boy was charged with an undisclosed infraction based on an image the school picked up from his webcam. District superintendent Christopher W. McGinley, in an orotund statement, defends the program while canceling it. And just to make clear that we're still in high school, Master Robbins appears to have gotten in trouble when he was photographed eating Mike and Ikes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:42:08pm |
re: #16 RogueOne
Has everyone been keeping up with the lawsuit against the school district who used the laptop cam to spy on the student?
[Link: reason.com...]
If my kid went to that school I would be in jail right now.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:47:58pm |
I hate players that don't even need a finger pick to shred the guitar...Like Derrick Trucks
/Green with envy
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:47:59pm |
re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist
If my kid went to that school I would be in jail right now.
I'm stunned that no one's been fired yet.
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RogueOne Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:49:16pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
There's the union to consider plus it would require an admission of guilt.
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harrylook Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:49:44pm |
would love to try that funky guitar out! (don't care for that type of guitar playing that seems to all the rage, however. to each his own)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:50:26pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
I'm stunned that no one's been fired yet.
Haven't read more than the headlines, but why in the world were they doing it? Any idea?
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:51:18pm |
re: #23 Stanley Sea
Haven't read more than the headlines, but why in the world were they doing it? Any idea?
To track down stolen laptops..
PC call home
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RogueOne Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:52:33pm |
re: #23 Stanley Sea
Their story is the cam was turned on in response to a reported theft. They saw the kid on the cam eating Mike N Ikes and mistook them for pills.
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harrylook Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:52:50pm |
re: #16 RogueOne
I've been called paranoid for covering my webcam on my work computer. You know what they say: just 'cause you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:55:15pm |
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:55:44pm |
re: #23 Stanley Sea
Haven't read more than the headlines, but why in the world were they doing it? Any idea?
The explanation was that the webcam could be remotely activated to track down the location of stolen laptops. It's apparently been used with some success in this way already. But the camera is only supposed to be activated when a laptop is reported stolen.
In this case, the school activated the camera, saw the kid doing...something, we're still not sure what, and contacted the parents to inform them of "inappropriate" activity.
The parents are righteously pissed. Good for them.
Meanwhile, I imagine that half the school's laptops now have a half-inch of electrical tape covering the lens of their cameras, while the other half are busy uploading amateur teen porn to the web.
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cliffster Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:56:55pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:57:26pm |
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:57:41pm |
re: #26 harrylook
I've been called paranoid for covering my webcam on my work computer. You know what they say: just 'cause you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!
If we had webcams on our computers at work, I guarantee that someone in management would be accessing them routinely to "monitor" employee activity.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:57:45pm |
The California Guitar Trio used to play Somyogi custom guitars configured with that type of fretboard. They use New Standard Tuning, and it was explained that the intonation is much more accurate. They don't tour with the Somyogi guitars anymore, because they are somewhat delicate and don't deal well with rapid changes in humidity, temperature, and other factors you find on the road.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:01:37pm |
More honor killing in the news: A Jordanian man--from the peaceful, secular, westernized Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan--killed his married, over 40 sister in an apparent honor killing. Turns out the brazen hussy was yakking on her cellphone more than he thought was seemly. But the news is that his sentence was commuted from death to 10 years imprisonment.
The man, 21, was charged with premeditated murder, which is punishable by death, but the court reduced the sentence on Sunday after the family dropped all legal claims against him, the official said.
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cliffster Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:05:15pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:07:06pm |
Ladanian Tomlinson was cut by the Chargers.
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avanti Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:07:39pm |
Scott Brown to vote yes on Dems jobs bill, big news.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:07:56pm |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ladanian Tomlinson was cut by the Chargers.
Could be a good pickup for somebody looking for a backup runner
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:08:22pm |
re: #36 avanti
Scott Brown to vote yes on Dems jobs bill, big news.
That's too bad. Is there actually a "bill" available to the public?
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cliffster Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:08:42pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:08:42pm |
re: #37 HoosierHoops
Could be a good pickup for somebody looking for a backup runner
No, could be nice to have him in the backfield with Cadillac Williams.
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cliffster Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:09:17pm |
re: #37 HoosierHoops
Could be a good pickup for somebody looking for a backup runner
Nah, man, he's going to heal, and he'll be back in prime form again.
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RogueOne Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:09:18pm |
Oh god, I thought the whole truther thing had finally gone away. Guess I was mistaken.
A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center."In order to bring down this kind of mass in such a short period of time, the material must have been artificially, exploded outwards," says Richard Gage, a San Francisco architect and founder of the nonprofit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
Mr. Gage, who is a member of the American Institute of Architects, managed to persuade more than 1,000 of his peers to sign a new petition requesting a formal inquiry.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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avanti Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:11:09pm |
re: #38 Walter L. Newton
That's too bad. Is there actually a "bill" available to the public?
This is the closure vote to limit debate, they need 60 votes.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:11:47pm |
Remember China and our debt?
If China Stops Buying our Debt, Will Calamity Follow?
The short answer : No
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Ojoe Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:12:07pm |
Re Guitar Technology,
Has anyone tried as an alternative to the bridge peg, a collet chuck with the string going straight in to a bell tapered hole? I.E. no kink, and a smooth transition? I bet it would get the vibrations more efficiently to the soundboard, and make less heat in the string.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:12:26pm |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ladanian Tomlinson was cut by the Chargers.
The begging of another decade of fail for them (Like 83-93 and 95-06). I'll look forward to their reappearance in the playoffs in the ~2018-2020 seasons.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:12:58pm |
re: #42 RogueOne
Oh god, I thought the whole truther thing had finally gone away. Guess I was mistaken.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Well, these are engineers... I've never considered anything other than the planes brought down the buildings, or at least the subsequent explosions, fir and so on.
But, these are engineers, a whole lot of them. If that many scientist we behind a petition to look into something, I suspect we would give them some note.
I'm not an engineer, so, I would have to at least give these guys/girls their day in court so to speak.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:14:03pm |
re: #46 ArchangelMichael
The begging of another decade of fail for them (Like 83-93 and 95-06). I'll look forward to their reappearance in the playoffs in the ~2018-2020 seasons.
They were my SB pick, BEFORE the playoffs started.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:14:04pm |
re: #43 avanti
This is the closure vote to limit debate, they need 60 votes.
Never mind. I asked if there was an actual bill, not what vote this was. I can't find a "bill" on line. If these folks are voting on something that is designed to spend money, I suspect there must be something on paper somewhere?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:14:51pm |
If you're moving, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ASK THE USPS TO FORWARD YOUR MAIL. Mine has now been held since the 1st of February even though I did not submit the change of address until the 6th. The 1st was the date I asked the carrier for a change of address form and he apparently took it upon himself to start holding my mail at that point. According to the post office, that is routine procedure: The carrier can hold your mail and put it in postal limbo if he has some vague reason to believe you are about to move. Once you submit the request, it takes "7 to 10 postal business days" to get start getting mail. In the meantime, there is no way to check the status of the change request, even to find out if it was placed in the system, nor is there any way to find and retrieve your mail from whatever box, attic, or dumpster it has been stashed in.
Since I had no idea what had become of the original change request, and the online process looked a lot more straightforward, I submitted a new change of address online. Unfortunately, I have now found that this starts the process all over again even though the old and new addresses are exactly the same as on the original written request. I will not receive my mail until the first week in March, over a month after they started holding it.
There was a pretty good reason I didn't submit the request until the 6th, btw: I was expecting some important documents and thought I would wait until they arrived at the old address. Thanks to the carrier's "initiative" they have disappeared into a black hole, and nobody with USPS seems to have a problem with this.
Incidentally, I moved about 7 blocks within the same zip code. Since the old house is still vacant I would have been better off just letting the mail go there until I could update everyone on the new address.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:14:56pm |
Behold the "kalitar" guitar, sort of a guitar/zither hybrid:
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Ojoe Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:14:59pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:15:52pm |
re: #52 Ojoe
The planes brought down the buildings.
— Ojoe, architect.
I need to forward this comment to the Dbags at Loose Change.
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avanti Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:16:52pm |
re: #47 Walter L. Newton
Well, these are engineers... I've never considered anything other than the planes brought down the buildings, or at least the subsequent explosions, fir and so on.
But, these are engineers, a whole lot of them. If that many scientist we behind a petition to look into something, I suspect we would give them some note.
I'm not an engineer, so, I would have to at least give these guys/girls their day in court so to speak.
re: #47 Walter L. Newton
Well, these are engineers... I've never considered anything other than the planes brought down the buildings, or at least the subsequent explosions, fir and so on.
But, these are engineers, a whole lot of them. If that many scientist we behind a petition to look into something, I suspect we would give them some note.
I'm not an engineer, so, I would have to at least give these guys/girls their day in court so to speak.
I'd love to see the exact wording on the petition and the background of the signers, but it's silly on it's face.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:17:10pm |
re: #45 Ojoe
Re Guitar Technology,
Has anyone tried as an alternative to the bridge peg, a collet chuck with the string going straight in to a bell tapered hole? I.E. no kink, and a smooth transition? I bet it would get the vibrations more efficiently to the soundboard, and make less heat in the string.
Interesting concept, but you would still need a way to pull the right amount of string into the collet, but it sure would hold it better
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:18:47pm |
re: #52 Ojoe
The planes brought down the buildings.
— Ojoe, architect.
Bush almost missed his que to blow up the Twin towers by reading my little goat to kids...
Andy Card had to lean over and whisper in his ear to press the button
/
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Ojoe Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:18:57pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:19:11pm |
re: #46 ArchangelMichael
The begging of another decade of fail for them (Like 83-93 and 95-06). I'll look forward to their reappearance in the playoffs in the ~2018-2020 seasons.
The Brees debacle (and the Ryan Leaf one of course) will haunt them.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:20:29pm |
re: #50 Shiplord Kirel
That's why it pays to know your neighbors. I just ask mine to retrieve our mail whenever we're gone longer than a weekend. Hope things turn out okay. Have you gone to the post office and complained to the supervisor?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:21:05pm |
re: #58 Stanley Sea
The Brees debacle (and the Ryan Leaf one of course) will haunt them.
"DON'T TALK TO ME!!! - Ryan Leaf.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:21:08pm |
re: #54 avanti
I'd love to see the exact wording on the petition and the background of the signers, but it's silly on it's face.
It is... and yes, I would like to know more about the petition and the signers.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:21:19pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:21:30pm |
re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar
I need to forward this comment to the Dbags at Loose Change.
See #50 . This is the same government that conspiraloons allege can blow up the WTC and the Pentagon, cover up alien visitations for 60 years, fake the Moon landings, and kidnap people out of the beds and cause them to disappear without a trace. I think the conspiracy industry's primary intellectual failing is a wildly exaggerated faith in the competence of government.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:23:40pm |
re: #50 Shiplord Kirel
If you're moving, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ASK THE USPS TO FORWARD YOUR MAIL. Mine has now been held since the 1st of February even though I did not submit the change of address until the 6th. The 1st was the date I asked the carrier for a change of address form and he apparently took it upon himself to start holding my mail at that point. According to the post office, that is routine procedure: The carrier can hold your mail and put it in postal limbo if he has some vague reason to believe you are about to move. Once you submit the request, it takes "7 to 10 postal business days" to get start getting mail. In the meantime, there is no way to check the status of the change request, even to find out if it was placed in the system, nor is there any way to find and retrieve your mail from whatever box, attic, or dumpster it has been stashed in.
Since I had no idea what had become of the original change request, and the online process looked a lot more straightforward, I submitted a new change of address online. Unfortunately, I have now found that this starts the process all over again even though the old and new addresses are exactly the same as on the original written request. I will not receive my mail until the first week in March, over a month after they started holding it.
There was a pretty good reason I didn't submit the request until the 6th, btw: I was expecting some important documents and thought I would wait until they arrived at the old address. Thanks to the carrier's "initiative" they have disappeared into a black hole, and nobody with USPS seems to have a problem with this.
Incidentally, I moved about 7 blocks within the same zip code. Since the old house is still vacant I would have been better off just letting the mail go there until I could update everyone on the new address.
They'll be much better at health care.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:24:30pm |
re: #64 Shiplord Kirel
I saw your #50. As for the crazy, I listen to Coast to Coast AM if I wake up early. Them people are true fucking nuts. And I love Dr. Michael Schermer, editor-in-chief, Skeptic Magazine.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:25:51pm |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
"DON'T TALK TO ME!!! - Ryan Leaf.
To think that Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning were once mentioned in the same breath, at the start of their careers.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:26:20pm |
re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw your #50. As for the crazy, I listen to Coast to Coast AM if I wake up early. Them people are true fucking nuts. And I love Dr. Michael Schermer, editor-in-chief, Skeptic Magazine.
How can you be SURE it was Dr. Schermer on Coast to Coast?
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webevintage Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:27:37pm |
re: #38 Walter L. Newton
That's too bad. Is there actually a "bill" available to the public?
Of course there is:
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]
I would link to the specific one, (I think it is the bottom one) but thomas does not put dates so I can't tell which it is, and my browser keeps freezing up when I try to get into a specific PDF to read.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:28:21pm |
re: #68 The Sanity Inspector
To think that Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning were once mentioned in the same breath, at the start of their careers.
Amazing! When Peyton was interviewing with the Colts the last thing he said before he Walked out the room was that If the Colts didn't draft him he would kick their ass every year...I think they believed him.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:28:50pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
How can you be SURE it was Dr. Schermer on Coast to Coast?
He wasn't. Just added an observation. He was on a History Channel documentary that had Loose Change/Alex Jones vs. Popular Mechanics/people with degrees in regards to 911 yesterday.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:30:21pm |
Max Blumenthal visits CPAC, meets Hannah Giles, Andrew Breitbart, and others.
Today's word is "rubric". Unless it's "despicable". Or "menstrual".
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webevintage Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:30:35pm |
BTW, this is the 44th closure vote this congress.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:30:58pm |
re: #72 Cannadian Club Akbar
He wasn't. Just added an observation. He was on a History Channel documentary that had Loose Change/Alex Jones vs. Popular Mechanics/people with degrees in regards to 911 yesterday.
Well, he was (Jan. 23, 2006), but my question was a joke. You know, a skeptic on Coast to Coast, are you sure (are you skeptical?)
Doesn't work if I have to explain it.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:30:59pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:31:44pm |
re: #72 Cannadian Club Akbar
He wasn't. Just added an observation. He was on a History Channel documentary that had Loose Change/Alex Jones vs. Popular Mechanics/people with degrees in regards to 911 yesterday.
Cracked had a good takedown of Loose Change a few years ago.
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RogueOne Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:32:02pm |
What could possibly go wrong?
Labor pushes to unionize Transportation Security Administration
A federal employees union is hoping to force an union election for Transportation Security Administration employees, saying the Obama administration has been too passive in pushing collective bargaining rights for the TSA.“Now, we have been patient with the administration,” said John Gage, the national president of the American Federation of Government Employees. “Our people, we’re frustrated by the lack of having a strong leadership at TSA. The agency desperately needs it. So we’ve just decided to step out on this and to move the issue within our rights.”
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:32:44pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:33:20pm |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
Well, he was (Jan. 23, 2006), but my question was a joke. You know, a skeptic on Coast to Coast, are you sure (are you skeptical?)
Doesn't work if I have to explain it.
I get it now. And it does work even after explaining it.:)
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Kragar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:34:26pm |
re: #77 The Sanity Inspector
Cracked had a good takedown of Loose Change a few years ago.
I recently found Cracked, used to read the comic years ago. They're a really fun site.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:36:23pm |
re: #77 The Sanity Inspector
Cracked had a good takedown of Loose Change a few years ago.
Good stuff.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:37:47pm |
Shermer: Why do people believe strange things?
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:39:44pm |
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simoom Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:41:32pm |
re: #74 webevintage
BTW, this is the 44th closure vote this congress.
That's going to ruin Scott Brown's stats on Filibusted. :P
They had him with the highest obstruction percentage (100%) of any Senator (though only because he'd only participated in a single cloture vote).
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:41:44pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
I'm glad they found these mistakes before it was too late... from the Guardian...
This is good science. The ability to admit mistakes and attempt to make the corrections needed.
You are right. This is good science.
Just so long as you are clear that the retracted paper, was one that said the low ball estimates of the IPCC were likely correct, that the rest of the science world was screaming that of course sea level rises would likely be much greater - because, as I went over and over agin at the time, of non-linear melt rates and the fact that the ice sheets were not properly taken into account by IPCC and that neither paper (IPCC or this one) adequately took methane release into account.
At the time there were posters here who took this paper as G-d's pwn truth and called me endlessly alarmist, even though I was bringing the rest of the facts that ultimately caused this paper's rejection.
What concerns me about your post Walter is that rather than pointing out that because of this, the science you say is working - and it is, actually shows that IPCC is very very lowball. It concerns me bacause you are framing it in a way that somehow the scientific process was screwed up and you have a habit then of making the science of AGW falsely into a much more open set of questions than it actually is.
Understand fully that this article you bring, and claim shows that science is working means that you must conclude that the AGW scenarios that I and the rest of the science world are talking about are the right ones.
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webevintage Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:42:30pm |
Oh, and while searching for the text of the bill I realized how nice it would be if people reporting on the jobs bill (or any pending legislation) would actually put the number of a bill within their column (Or a link if you are writing online) and use the proper name for a bill.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:42:42pm |
re: #83 Thanos
Shermer: Why do people believe strange things?
[Video]
Didn't you tell me Skeptics Magazine (and website) is a good place for pro/con AGW articles which you would consider valid?
I can only find one article on AGW on their site, and it is about a the validity of a certain petition, not a discussion on AGW.
What did I miss?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:43:05pm |
Oh and FWIW, I send out 2-3 resumes a day. Sent one out to a really fancy pants restaurant and received a call 20 minutes later. When I say fancy, I mean we have the Sarasota Film Fest every year. This place has all the stars there for some party that people pay way to much to attend. And they get a couple "A list" peeps. That would be cool. By cool, I mean great pay.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:44:13pm |
re: #73 wrenchwench
Max Blumenthal visits CPAC, meets Hannah Giles, Andrew Breitbart, and others.
[Video] Today's word is "rubric". Unless it's "despicable". Or "menstrual".
Massive LOL at the 1:03 mark.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:44:39pm |
re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote
I am not going to answer any questions from you, nor do i intend to address you any more on any subject. Just letting you know.
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webevintage Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:45:29pm |
re: #74 webevintage
BTW, this is the 44th closure vote this congress.
I love charts!
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:45:54pm |
re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote
Hi Lud!
I would really like to see advances in new software tools for our Scientists..
It's a smart investment in our future...
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:46:09pm |
re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar
This place has all the stars there for some party that people pay way to much to attend And they get a couple "A list" peeps
Maybe you can start a little business on the side
"This is the spoon that Regis Philbin stirred his coffee with ,, and this is a cherry pit that was actually in the mouth of Tom Hanks!"
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:46:36pm |
re: #91 Walter L. Newton
I am not going to answer any questions from you, nor do i intend to address you any more on any subject. Just letting you know.
ruh roh!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:46:51pm |
re: #94 sattv4u2
This place has all the stars there for some party that people pay way to much to attend And they get a couple "A list" peeps
Maybe you can start a little business on the side
"This is the spoon that Regis Philbin stirred his coffee with ,, and this is a cherry pit that was actually in the mouth of Tom Hanks!"
Hello Ebay.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:47:09pm |
Great tune.
Yum, the Beneteau Nick Lucas looks yummy. I've never seen the 'fan' fret board before and don't see it listed on the web site. Does anyone know if the actual fretboard is twisted, or is that just an optical illusion? What's the point of such a fret arrangement? Sounds like that Lawrence pick up is panned hard to one side and the mic is picking up most of the bass hammers and pulls on the other.
My favorite builder is Dana Bourgeois. I'm currently playing a Slope D.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:47:38pm |
anybody around here wear Z-Coil shoes?....are they worth it?, I bought a pair. the ones with the dorky spring at the heel
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:48:29pm |
re: #98 albusteve
anybody around here wear Z-Coil shoes?...are they worth it?, I bought a pair. the ones with the dorky spring at the heel
Can you dunk a basketball now? No? You got ripped off.
/
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:48:40pm |
This could be an interesting development for clean energy...
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:48:48pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:49:08pm |
re: #98 albusteve
anybody around here wear Z-Coil shoes?...are they worth it?, I bought a pair. the ones with the dorky spring at the heel
Do you wear a dress when you jog now Alice?
*wink*
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:49:15pm |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hello Ebay.
Bingo (and btw,,,, , I'll take a napkin actually used by Sofia Vergara if she ever comes in!)
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Kragar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:49:38pm |
re: #77 The Sanity Inspector
Cracked had a good takedown of Loose Change a few years ago.
Hey, I just realized David Wong wrote that. He is one of my favorite new writers.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:49:45pm |
re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw your #50. As for the crazy, I listen to Coast to Coast AM if I wake up early. Them people are true fucking nuts. And I love Dr. Michael Schermer, editor-in-chief, Skeptic Magazine.
Otoh, maybe the Post Office is conspiring to drive me crazy. If so, I will have to re-evaluate my estimation of their competence, since they are doing such a thorough job of it.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:50:01pm |
re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can you dunk a basketball now? No? You got ripped off.
/
ahaha!...good one...Son of Flubber?....I hope so cause they sure look stupid
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:50:32pm |
re: #91 Walter L. Newton
I am not going to answer any questions from you, nor do i intend to address you any more on any subject. Just letting you know.
Why because I pointed out that the paper you brought actually undermines your own propaganda and like most deniers you can not and do not actually read the papers involved. In fact didn't we have a thread just this day about how deniers like you present things to the opposite of their meaning in science?
I guess you didn't read that either.
LOL
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:50:50pm |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
Massive LOL at the 1:03 mark.
Oh I had to go watch - Hannah you're a mess.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:50:56pm |
re: #95 sattv4u2
ruh roh!
I quit my job today. I loved the physical labor, loved the people there and liked the companies mission but management and I didn't see eye to eye on how to run the use furniture department.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:51:28pm |
re: #105 Shiplord Kirel
Otoh, maybe the Post Office is conspiring to drive me crazy. If so, I will have to re-evaluate my estimation of their competence, since they are doing such a thorough job of it.
I bought a book online. The postman couldn't fit it in my mail box. Did he put it on the porch? No. He put it next to my trash cans on the side of the house. Then it rained. Idiot.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:51:54pm |
Conundrum
Should I
A) stay here
B) make dinner
C) empty and clean the turtle tank
D) lug the 50lb bag of deer corn out to the farthest part of my property where the deers "live"
E) take the dogs to the park
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webevintage Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:52:29pm |
re: #111 sattv4u2
Conundrum
Should I
A) stay here
B) make dinner
C) empty and clean the turtle tank
D) lug the 50lb bag of deer corn out to the farthest part of my property where the deers "live"
E) take the dogs to the park
E
puppies need to play
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:53:05pm |
re: #109 Walter L. Newton
I quit my job today. I loved the physical labor, loved the people there and liked the companies mission but management and I didn't see eye to eye on how to run the use furniture department.
Oohhhh,, sorry to hear that. Can you go back to the theatre at least until something else pops up?
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avanti Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:53:09pm |
More on the Brown vote :
Brown breaks with GOP to support jobs bill
"By The Associated Press
Monday, February 22, 2010 at 2:31 p.m.
WASHINGTON — The Senate's newest member says he will break ranks Monday with fellow Republicans and support a Democratic jobs bill in an important procedural vote.
The vote of Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown gets Democrats closer to the 60 they would need to end debate and vote on passage of the bill. They need one more Republican vote because Democrat Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey is expected to be absent because he is ill.
Brown says the bill is not perfect but he will support it. Brown was elected last month to fill the seat vacated by the death of Edward Kennedy. His election deprived Democrats of the 60 votes needed to end filibusters.
The Associated Press"
Might be a new RINO in the making./
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:53:36pm |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
This could be an interesting development for clean energy...
pretty cool...but I don't get it...
Hydrocarbons such as natural gas or biofuel (stored in an adjacent tank) are pumped into the Bloom Box – ceramic plates stacked atop each other to form modules that can be assembled into a unit of any size – and out comes abundant, reliable, cleaner electricity.
how does that work?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:53:48pm |
re: #112 webevintage
E
puppies need to play
Well,, yes ,,, but we have a very large fenced in backyard, but one of them really likes the socialization at the Doggy Park
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:53:52pm |
re: #111 sattv4u2
Conundrum
Should I
A) stay here
B) make dinner
C) empty and clean the turtle tank
D) lug the 50lb bag of deer corn out to the farthest part of my property where the deers "live"
E) take the dogs to the park
Cook the turtle and corn together. Takes care of B,C and D. Let the dog out the front door. E. Stay and hang. A. Heh.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:54:12pm |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
Massive LOL at the 1:03 mark.
Was she making a joke, or was she sincere? Max makes like it was a joke, but maybe he's being polite....
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:54:18pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
I'm glad they found these mistakes before it was too late... from the Guardian...
"One mistake was a miscalculation; the other was not to allow fully for temperature change over the past 2,000 years. Because of these issues we have retracted the paper and will now invest in the further work needed to correct these mistakes."
This is good science. The ability to admit mistakes and attempt to make the corrections needed.
The article is a very good example of good science and how science works, just in case you missed it above.
I linked to this because it presents a very positive view of how real professional scientist act and react to their work.
Notice the honesty and lack of over sensationalizing and the metered assessment of their work.
That's good science.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:54:27pm |
re: #117 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cook the turtle and corn together. Takes care of B,C and D. Let the dog out the front door. E. Stay and hang. A. Heh.
cool!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:54:44pm |
re: #113 sattv4u2
Oohhh,, sorry to hear that. Can you go back to the theatre at least until something else pops up?
Nope.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:54:55pm |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
Hi Lud!
I would really like to see advances in new software tools for our Scientists..
It's a smart investment in our future...
Hey buddy!
Interesting. I am not sure where you are going with it though.
I can say that professionally there are a number of programs that are very powerful and continuously being updated that are used daily in the science world.
I can also say that a large amount of the software we need, we write ourselves.
The biggest packages that get used the most are things like Maple and Mathematica for theory types and MathCad and Labview for the experimentalists.
The are a number of cute little programs to put Feynman Diagrams into your papers though.
There are other things that get used a lot too but are more specialized. Code Five for optics is a great example.
If one wants something more efficient than those programs, they are stuck coding it themselves.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:55:04pm |
Make the dog lug the corn and clean the turtle tank...You cook dinner
And then negotiate the park..
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simoom Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:55:08pm |
re: #70 webevintage
Of course there is:
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]I would link to the specific one, (I think it is the bottom one) but thomas does not put dates so I can't tell which it is, and my browser keeps freezing up when I try to get into a specific PDF to read.
Govtrack might be worth a shot:
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]
I think when you select Full Text it pulls up the most recent version of the bill (and it lets you do side-by-side comparisons of various versions to see what's changed).
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:55:57pm |
re: #102 HoosierHoops
Do you wear a dress when you jog now Alice?
*wink*
after you put them on, of course you can't see how weird they look...but already they seem to help me walk, and hopefully help straighten out my back again....Miracle Shoes!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:56:19pm |
Did anyone know Bob Dole has been at Walter Reed for 3 weeks with Pneumonia?
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:56:48pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:56:58pm |
re: #125 albusteve
after you put them on, of course you can't see how weird they look...but already they seem to help me walk, and hopefully help straighten out my back again...Miracle Shoes!
Do you guys have "The Good Feet Store" out there?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:57:24pm |
re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote
like most deniers you ,,,,,,
how deniers like you ,,,,,
I've seen many posts from Walter. I've even had discussions here and traded e-mails with him. i've never seen him "DENY" AGW. He has asked questions, he has presented links.
I have even seen him trash actual denier trolls here
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:57:55pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:58:15pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
Was she making a joke, or was she sincere? Max makes like it was a joke, but maybe he's being polite...
I sounds like she was making a joke, but it's hard to tell for sure.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:58:26pm |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did anyone know Bob Dole has been at Walter Reed for 3 weeks with Pneumonia?
Damn,,,, no ,,, missed it ,, what a good person!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:58:37pm |
re: #119 Walter L. Newton
The article is a very good example of good science and how science works, just in case you missed it above.
I linked to this because it presents a very positive view of how real professional scientist act and react to their work.
Notice the honesty and lack of over sensationalizing and the metered assessment of their work.
That's good science.
So if you are going to repeat your post downstream without the full meaning of what you are bringing - in the hopes that the science will be ignored, I will repeat my answer to you.
You are right. This is good science.
Just so long as you are clear that the retracted paper, was one that said the low ball estimates of the IPCC were likely correct, that the rest of the science world was screaming that of course sea level rises would likely be much greater - because, as I went over and over agin at the time, of non-linear melt rates and the fact that the ice sheets were not properly taken into account by IPCC and that neither paper (IPCC or this one) adequately took methane release into account.
At the time there were posters here who took this paper as G-d's pwn truth and called me endlessly alarmist, even though I was bringing the rest of the facts that ultimately caused this paper's rejection.
What concerns me about your post Walter is that rather than pointing out that because of this, the science you say is working - and it is, actually shows that IPCC is very very lowball. It concerns me bacause you are framing it in a way that somehow the scientific process was screwed up and you have a habit then of making the science of AGW falsely into a much more open set of questions than it actually is.
Understand fully that this article you bring, and claim shows that science is working means that you must conclude that the AGW scenarios that I and the rest of the science world are talking about are the right ones.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:58:56pm |
re: #129 sattv4u2
he's also only fooling people that want to be fooled :P
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:58:59pm |
re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you guys have "The Good Feet Store" out there?
don't know...not familiar with the name
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:59:25pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
Was she making a joke, or was she sincere? Max makes like it was a joke, but maybe he's being polite...
She's sincere and an idiot.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:59:28pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
Hope you land on your feet fast Walter. You are a good man.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:59:34pm |
I just hooked up a 6 meter, 2 meter and 70 Cm radio receiver today, monitoring the repeaters that are up here on the mountain tops.
Really, there are still Hams out there using the "nets," and if you know the history of AR, these Ham Nets are some of the original blogs.
Good technology takes a long time to die. Now the Hams ever have internet relays. The can use a 5 watt hand held 2 meter radio, hook up to a repeater 20 miles away, the repeater cues a node on the internet, a nod in London picks up the radio over internet and send the signal out to someone driving around London.
Neat.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:59:57pm |
re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote
I think we need to really invest in software..I know they have good tools now.. (except for using Fortran.. Because it is an old unstructured language it should be illegal to use it.)
If our Scientists need Oracle running on the fastest Sun Computers in the world and the Maintenance Contract on the code is a million a year?
I don't care...We give you guys the best tools
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:00:08pm |
re: #127 SixDegrees
Where are you located again?
Denver area. I'm back hitting the job boards for a programming job, or even part time contract.
| 141 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:00:49pm |
re: #135 albusteve
don't know...not familiar with the name
They are only in Florida, sorry. They make custom supports and the such.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:00:58pm |
re: #125 albusteve
after you put them on, of course you can't see how weird they look...but already they seem to help me walk, and hopefully help straighten out my back again...Miracle Shoes!
I'm sorry Steve..I forgot about the back.. I was just teasing me
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:01:56pm |
re: #140 Walter L. Newton
Denver area. I'm back hitting the job boards for a programming job, or even part time contract.
Walter ,,, remind me when you "see" me Wednesday (my next day back at work) I don't have access to my intercompanys shit here at home (left my work laptop there Saturday night when I was headed home) I'll see if there is ANYTHING in corporate
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:02:35pm |
re: #129 sattv4u2
like most deniers you ,,,
how deniers like you ,,,I've seen many posts from Walter. I've even had discussions here and traded e-mails with him. i've never seen him "DENY" AGW. He has asked questions, he has presented links.
I have even seen him trash actual denier trolls here
He is taking a very specific form of denier troll stance. He is playing himself up as a "concern troll." He is concerned that the scientists are sloppy in their work, and he will tell us how to make it better and do our jobs right "for the sake of the science." In the mean time of course is the accusation that we are doing our jobs wrong and the false notion that he knows better.
It's a very backhanded form of trolling.
If he really cared about honesty or the science for instance, he might have thought to mention what bringing the news of the retraction means.
The retraction of that article means that the authors were forced to concede that the IPCC report was low ball.
If Walter cared for the science, and was not being a troll, then why did he forget to mention that?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:02:52pm |
re: #142 HoosierHoops
I'm sorry Steve..I forgot about the back.. I was just teasing me
I know that...my medical problem is teasable...wtf, why not...I'm a crip, but don't you fuckin call me that!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:03:10pm |
re: #139 HoosierHoops
Hire me... here's a sample of well written code... make believe it's a live job interview... here's some of my coding...
CREATE OR REPLACE
PACKAGE BODY hpcbaby_rpt AS
-- 1) build a cursor with FDD seq's from the report_hpc_layoutd set up information
-- 2) loop through FDD seq cursor
-- 3) use FDD seq's from FDD seq cursor to pass to the insert/select below
-- 4) fill in the nulls with the data from the FDD seq cursor columns
-- 5) insert/select below will populate the hpc_rpt_temp table
-- don't forget staff initials with perform date
-- Programmer - Walter L. Newton Dec. 2006
PROCEDURE stage_baby_data (p_request_id IN NUMBER,
p_report_sname IN VARCHAR2,
p_facility_id IN VARCHAR2,
p_pat_seq IN NUMBER,
p_report_baby IN VARCHAR2
) IS
CURSOR cur_report_hpc_layout (c_report_sname VARCHAR2, c_facility_id VARCHAR2) IS
SELECT report_hpc_layout.form_data_dict_seq,
report_hpc_layout.sort_order,
report_hpc_layout.display_label,
reportmods.mod_name,
reportmods.mod_seqno
FROM reportmods,
report_hpc_layout
WHERE upper(reportmods.report_sname) = upper(c_report_sname)
and reportmods.mod_seqno = p_request_id
and reportmods.rep_var_seq = report_hpc_layout.rep_var_seq
AND report_hpc_layout.facility_id = c_facility_id
order by report_hpc_layout.sort_order;
-- initialize some variables
x_facility varchar2(3);
x_facility_id varchar2(3);
confirm_type varchar2(1);
cur_report_hpc_layout_rec cur_report_hpc_layout%ROWTYPE;
c_display_time CONSTANT VARCHAR2(21) := 'hh24:mi';
c_display_date CONSTANT VARCHAR2(21) := rpt_util.get_date_mask(p_facility_id);
c_display_date_time CONSTANT VARCHAR2(21) := rpt_util.get_date_mask(p_facility_id) %P%%P% ' hh24:mi';
-- for apgars
x_apgar_string varchar2(100);
x_apgar_1 varchar2(15);
x_apgar_5 varchar2(15);
x_apgar_10 varchar2(15);
x_apgar_15 varchar2(15);
x_apgar_20 varchar2(15);
-- for temp,pulse,respiration
x_tpr_string varchar2(100);
x_tpr_1 varchar2(100);
x_tpr_2 varchar2(100);
-- end initialize some variables
begin
-- check if passed facility ID has a set up in report_hpc_layout
-- If not, set facility ID to default 'ALL'
x_facility_id := p_facility_id;
SELECT distinct rhl.facility_id
INTO x_facility
FROM reportmods rm,
report_hpc_layout rhl
WHERE upper(rm.report_sname) = upper(p_report_sname)
AND rm.rep_var_seq = rhl.rep_var_seq
AND rhl.facility_id = p_facility_id;
exception
when others then
x_facility_id := 'ALL';
-- get confirmed_by parameter from the report set up table reportvars
SELECT reportvars.value
into confirm_type
FROM reportmods,
reportvars
WHERE upper(reportmods.report_sname) = upper(p_report_sname)
and reportmods.mod_seqno = p_request_id
and reportmods.rep_var_seq = reportvars.rep_var_seq
AND upper(reportvars.label) = 'CONFIRMED_BY'
and upper(reportvars.facility_id) = upper(p_facility_id);
-- Create report configuration cursor and loop through the records and insert the record into
-- the temporary report table hpc_rpt_temp for the passed BABY and MOTHER
FOR cur_report_hpc_layout_rec IN cur_report_hpc_layout (p_report_sname, x_facility_id)
LOOP
(gee, formatting went bonkers)
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:03:15pm |
re: #140 Walter L. Newton
Denver area. I'm back hitting the job boards for a programming job, or even part time contract.
Is Colorado Springs unreasonably far?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:03:28pm |
re: #145 albusteve
Do you own any Rockport shoes?
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:03:31pm |
Scott Brown votes with the Democrats? (He went against McConell on the $15 billion jobs bill) This is the kind of hopey-changey thing that makes the GOP look reasonable (Snowe, Collins, Voinovich too).
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:04:12pm |
re: #147 SixDegrees
Is Colorado Springs unreasonably far?
Yes... but if the money is right, some people just stay down there during the week. Otherwise, it's about 75 miles one way, south of here.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:04:17pm |
re: #149 darthstar
It may be too soon to tell soon, but it says to me (again) that he played a massive snow-job on the 'baggers.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:04:41pm |
re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote
then why did he forget to mention that?
Just to piss you off,,, works every time!!!
(and the above was stated as a total joke)
(((or was it!?!?!)))
Only The Shadow Knows!!!
BBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
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RogueOne Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:04:57pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
I just hooked up a 6 meter, 2 meter and 70 Cm radio receiver today, monitoring the repeaters that are up here on the mountain tops.
Really, there are still Hams out there using the "nets," and if you know the history of AR, these Ham Nets are some of the original blogs.
Good technology takes a long time to die. Now the Hams ever have internet relays. The can use a 5 watt hand held 2 meter radio, hook up to a repeater 20 miles away, the repeater cues a node on the internet, a nod in London picks up the radio over internet and send the signal out to someone driving around London.
Neat.
I saw a very interesting piece on BoingBoing a month or so ago. It was a video clip and a review of a project where the author is collecting old art that was passed through ham radio transmissions. It was pretty impressive what people managed to pull off. I'll see if I can find a link.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:05:03pm |
re: #149 darthstar
Scott Brown votes with the Democrats? (He went against McConell on the $15 billion jobs bill) This is the kind of hopey-changey thing that makes the GOP look reasonable (Snowe, Collins, Voinovich too).
I thought stimulus 2 was gonna help with jobs. Why do we need a jobs bill? Oh, right, to extend unemployment benefits.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:05:19pm |
re: #150 Walter L. Newton
Yes... but if the money is right, some people just stay down there during the week. Otherwise, it's about 75 miles one way, south of here.
I'll shoot you an email. Not anything to get excited about, but it might be worth a look.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:05:19pm |
re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote
He is taking a very specific form of denier troll stance. He is playing himself up as a "concern troll." He is concerned that the scientists are sloppy in their work, and he will tell us how to make it better and do our jobs right "for the sake of the science." In the mean time of course is the accusation that we are doing our jobs wrong and the false notion that he knows better.It's a very backhanded form of trolling.
If he really cared about honesty or the science for instance, he might have thought to mention what bringing the news of the retraction means.
The retraction of that article means that the authors were forced to concede that the IPCC report was low ball.
If Walter cared for the science, and was not being a troll, then why did he forget to mention that?
this is all nonsense...and rude
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:06:02pm |
Tea Party victory?
Brown Will Break With GOP To Support Jobs Bill
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:06:04pm |
re: #156 albusteve
it may be rude, but its 100% true.
People get away with murder on this blog in the name of 'niceness'.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:06:18pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:06:27pm |
re: #155 SixDegrees
I'll shoot you an email. Not anything to get excited about, but it might be worth a look.
Good on you, SIX
In this day and age, anything is worth a look, and Walter is good people!
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:07:00pm |
re: #158 windsagio
it may be rude, but its 100% true.
People get away with murder on this blog in the name of 'niceness'.
well I guess you would know
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:07:38pm |
re: #139 HoosierHoops
I think we need to really invest in software..I know they have good tools now.. (except for using Fortran.. Because it is an old unstructured language it should be illegal to use it.)
If our Scientists need Oracle running on the fastest Sun Computers in the world and the Maintenance Contract on the code is a million a year?
I don't care...We give you guys the best tools
Well, I promise that no one would turn down better and spiffier computers.
I wholeheartedly agree that Fortran should be illegal - in a perfect world.
One of the major problems though is legacy equipment and the cost of new equipment.
If you have a great piece of equipment that works great, gives solid data, and costs tens of thousands - and worse there really is no easy replacement save building your own from scratch because the company that made it is out of business or discontinued the device or whatever - and you can only talk to the damn thing using floppy disks and Fortran, then well, that is what you have.
Another thing is, you might have enough money in your group to get the new spiffy thing, but no money for a grad student to do anything with it left over.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:08:20pm |
re: #146 Walter L. Newton
You really can program Oracle forms can't you? Nice...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:08:33pm |
Not to change the subject, because it's not far off--
Any of you out Portland way been out to see the Peter Iredale recently?
I was out there on Saturday, and the sand has dropped 3-4 feet. Ribs are exposed from the bow to the stern, and at least three big smokestacks/pipes are out of the ground.
It was cool.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:08:35pm |
re: #98 albusteve
Not those exactly, but Dargaon_Lady has had some good relief for her back problems, particularly when she was working a job that was standing only. I am not aware of your back issue- But her herniated discs can not take shock at all.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:08:40pm |
re: #152 sattv4u2
then why did he forget to mention that?
Just to piss you off,,, works every time!!!
(and the above was stated as a total joke)
(((or was it!?!?!)))
Only The Shadow Knows!!!BBWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
Not so much Satt... you really don't piss me off though. Your attempts are a little too transparent. Better luck next time ;)
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:08:47pm |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did anyone know Bob Dole has been at Walter Reed for 3 weeks with Pneumonia?
Dang. Mandy didn't know that. If Mandy had, Mandy might have sent a get-well card to him.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:09:18pm |
re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought stimulus 2 was gonna help with jobs. Why do we need a jobs bill? Oh, right, to extend unemployment benefits.
Yeah...fuck the unemployed!
//
Note: I just did a phone screening where the guy actually reminded me he's been out of work for a year. Interview was going well up until that point, then he started into a lament about college grads being much cheaper...save that talk for your wife! I've got ten resumes I'm reviewing...I don't need a guilt-trip. And I told the guy up front that we're looking for enthusiastic people who are technical and enjoy what they do. Still, I'll keep him in mind as I do my final review...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:09:43pm |
re: #167 MandyManners
Dang. Mandy didn't know that. If Mandy had, Mandy might have sent a get-well card to him.
Not many will get the joke, but I do.:)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:09:46pm |
re: #158 windsagio
it may be rude, but its 100% true.
People get away with murder on this blog in the name of 'niceness'.
Calling long time respected posters "trolls" is unnacceptable
Calling someone a "denier" when they are not is unnnacceptable
Have repectful discourse
There are 3 more 100% truths
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:09:56pm |
re: #129 sattv4u2
When one wants to, one can find boogymen every time they turn around. Very paranoid behavior. It's the same as overt crazy religionist. They see apostates every time someone questions anything about their religion.
I'm no different than someone who would question Pat Robertson and his stupidity, but I am not denying the validity of Christianity.
Same here, I am not denying AGW, but I am questioning specific certain people and organizations about their process, procedures and policy.
So is the Royal Society and the British MET office. They are asking the SAME EXACT questions I have asked about the legacy programs and legacy data bases and how they were compiled. I guess that makes them a very specific form of denier troll.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:10:42pm |
re: #168 darthstar
Its amazing how many people don't get that bewailing how 'they wuz robbed' in being fired or not getting a job totally destroys their chances of getting hired.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:10:51pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
Tea Party victory?
Brown Will Break With GOP To Support Jobs Bill
The average tea baggers reaction to this news (skip to the last 20 seconds).
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:10:53pm |
re: #166 LudwigVanQuixote
Not so much Satt... you really don't piss me off though. Your attempts are a little too transparent. Better luck next time ;)
So when you tell me to F*** off and call me names, you mean it in the nice way, huh !?!?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:11:15pm |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not many will get the joke, but I do.:)
Anyone paying attention during the 90s will get it.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:11:42pm |
re: #170 sattv4u2
mmhmm. If its unacceptable, I suggest you report the post :p
Seriously, sometimes a spade really is a spade, even if you want to call it a concerned citizen.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:11:46pm |
re: #168 darthstar
He might have been trying to display eagerness for the job and fucking it up.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:11:53pm |
re: #173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Tea Partiers are not going to be happy....
McConnell: GOP May Support Slimmed Down Jobs Bill
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:12:27pm |
re: #165 Rightwingconspirator
Not those exactly, but Dargaon_Lady has had some good relief for her back problems, particularly when she was working a job that was standing only. I am not aware of your back issue- But her herniated discs can not take shock at all.
my back issue is the result of a failed right leg...I have had 4 bypass surgeries to get some circulation down my leg...I have suffered from extreme to chronic pain and have had to favor my left side for over 18 mo now...I've healed up to the point where I need to address this posture/back/walking normal problem....these shoes cost a mint, but I think they will help
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:12:28pm |
re: #156 albusteve
this is all nonsense...and rude
No, it is actually dead on target.
He brought an article twice about scientists revising a stance on AGW, in an attempt to show that the science is messed up, but correcting itself and hence make it seem like the truths of AGW are less bad than they are.
The proof is that he neglected to mention that the retracted paper was controversial because it was claiming lowball estimates and that the good science, which is working, and was the majority actually knows that the estimates were lowball. And hence, that AGW is much worse than IPCC or the retracted paper indicate.
If he were not trolling in his usual dishonest way, he would have mentioned the whole story.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:13:22pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
So when you tell me to F*** off and call me names, you mean it in the nice way, huh !?!?
NO. At those times you succeeded in making yourself obnoxious enough to piss me off :)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:13:37pm |
re: #158 windsagio
it may be rude, but its 100% true.
People get away with murder on this blog in the name of 'niceness'.
If you have a problem with that, you should take it up with Charles, IMO.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:13:39pm |
re: #180 albusteve
Hydrotherapy is a great thing for recovery. Get whatever time in the water you can. I hope the pain lessens over time.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:13:47pm |
re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote
might work better to use the term 'acting in bad faith' rather than 'trolling'. People seem to have particular associations with the word troll, and don't really get what a concern-troll is.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:13:51pm |
Okay ,,, from my #111
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I've decided in "B", "C", and "D"
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:13:56pm |
re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I promise that no one would turn down better and spiffier computers.
I wholeheartedly agree that Fortran should be illegal - in a perfect world.
One of the major problems though is legacy equipment and the cost of new equipment.
If you have a great piece of equipment that works great, gives solid data, and costs tens of thousands - and worse there really is no easy replacement save building your own from scratch because the company that made it is out of business or discontinued the device or whatever - and you can only talk to the damn thing using floppy disks and Fortran, then well, that is what you have.
Another thing is, you might have enough money in your group to get the new spiffy thing, but no money for a grad student to do anything with it left over.
Exactly Ludwig...We invest in new code and great hardware for our Scientists...They deserve nothing less..
I think all climate data should be in C++ Because it can handle complex matrix mathematics and is a structured language that allows a million lines of code with no problems at all.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:14:05pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
I do not understand your characterization there Kilgore. Is it not just a moderate political act? Bipartisan even?
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:14:20pm |
re: #155 SixDegrees
I'll shoot you an email. Not anything to get excited about, but it might be worth a look.
Sent, through your theater web page contact address. Let me know if you get it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:14:29pm |
re: #163 HoosierHoops
You really can program Oracle forms can't you? Nice...
That was just a segment of a 1000 line or so "staging" script of PL/SQL that build a table for using in an Oracle Report.
If I had a way of showing you the actual report form itself, you would maybe see some stuff you have never seen before.
This was for a hospital system where the reports could be set up by each user, data could come out in 1,2,3,4 what ever hour intervals, groups of like data rolled up, or single details, all dependent on the end users requirements.
So, we had report forms with multiple nested frames which would fire only on certain "record types" and grouping that worked in different ways depending on the data type.
And every thing was driven by a data dictionary which defined every single data element in the system.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:14:50pm |
re: #164 EmmmieG
Not to change the subject, because it's not far off--
Any of you out Portland way been out to see the Peter Iredale recently?
I was out there on Saturday, and the sand has dropped 3-4 feet. Ribs are exposed from the bow to the stern, and at least three big smokestacks/pipes are out of the ground.
It was cool.
Peter Iredale at wikipedia. Good pics of this very cool wreck.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:14:56pm |
re: #172 windsagio
Its amazing how many people don't get that bewailing how 'they wuz robbed' in being fired or not getting a job totally destroys their chances of getting hired.
I had one guy who lied on his resume - company doesn't even exist - google map of the address shows it as an apartment (yeah, I checked). Recruiter tried to get me to interview him anyway. I had to tell her (in gentle terms) that his experience didn't match the stated business of the company (which, as I said above, doesn't even exist).
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:15:12pm |
re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote
No, it is actually dead on target.
He brought an article twice about scientists revising a stance on AGW, in an attempt to show that the science is messed up, but correcting itself and hence make it seem like the truths of AGW are less bad than they are.
The proof is that he neglected to mention that the retracted paper was controversial because it was claiming lowball estimates and that the good science, which is working, and was the majority actually knows that the estimates were lowball. And hence, that AGW is much worse than IPCC or the retracted paper indicate.
If he were not trolling in his usual dishonest way, he would have mentioned the whole story.
you said you would not address me...stick to your word please
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:02pm |
re: #180 albusteve
Wow I had no idea. Best wishes for your healing.
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:06pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
Tea Party victory?
Brown Will Break With GOP To Support Jobs Bill
Good, I'm glad Scott Brown is doing this. I think it's a good sign. I'm sure he won't be "breaking ranks" all the time but it shows independence of thought right off the bat.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:13pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
So... you understand that jerk... it's your fault. You FORCE someone to get mad. If you just would keep you fucking mouth shut and sit back and maybe disappear, then every thing would be alright.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:33pm |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did anyone know Bob Dole has been at Walter Reed for 3 weeks with Pneumonia?
I hope he gets well, and I apologize for protesting his appearance at my campus in 1976.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:38pm |
re: #183 reine.de.tout
I think we should all stop second-guessing Charles and how the blog is run. People calling for people's banning, saying that their behavior is worse than people who have been banned-- it's all disrespectful. And all 'sides' have done it.
It is inconceivable that Charles's moderation could please everyone.
I have made one series of posts that ended in deletions and I regret it. I regret the time Charles had to waste deleting my posts. I regret the time it wasted for everyone else.
We're guests, and sometimes we act like we own the place.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:41pm |
re: #192 darthstar
Heh I feel her pain. Used to work for a recruiting company :p
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:16:44pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
Tea Party victory?
Brown Will Break With GOP To Support Jobs Bill
CapeCoddah is in Massachusetts, and she was completely dismissed when she tried to say that Brown may have had some Tea Party support, but he was no tea-partier.
Does it look like she may have been correct?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:17:08pm |
re: #194 Rightwingconspirator
Wow I had no idea. Best wishes for your healing.
no big deal...(heh)
I'm alive and have not lost any body parts so far, thanks
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:17:20pm |
Since we seem to be continuing AGW discussions...
From today's press releases:
Ice Shelves Disappearing on Antarctic Peninsula
Ice shelves are retreating in the southern section of the Antarctic Peninsula due to climate change. This could result in glacier retreat and sea-level rise if warming continues, threatening coastal communities and low-lying islands worldwide.
Research by the U.S. Geological Survey is the first to document that every ice front in the southern part of the Antarctic Peninsula has been retreating overall from 1947 to 2009, with the most dramatic changes occurring since 1990. The USGS previously documented that the majority of ice fronts on the entire Peninsula have also retreated during the late 20th century and into the early 21st century.
They came to this conclusion after publishing the last in a series of reviews of the WAIS. The last part looked at "Palmer Land", and the PDF summary is here:
[Link: pubs.usgs.gov...]
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:17:51pm |
re: #177 Obdicut
He might have been trying to display eagerness for the job and fucking it up.
He was doing fine on that front until the last five minutes. Asked smart questions, showed a critical mind...I'm not ruling him out. I just don't like feeling like crap because I know someone is desperate. Had another like that two weeks ago. He just wanted a paycheck so bad he started talking nonsense trying to 'impress' the interview team.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:17:53pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
I think we should all stop second-guessing Charles and how the blog is run. People calling for people's banning, saying that their behavior is worse than people who have been banned-- it's all disrespectful. And all 'sides' have done it.
It is inconceivable that Charles's moderation could please everyone.
I have made one series of posts that ended in deletions and I regret it. I regret the time Charles had to waste deleting my posts. I regret the time it wasted for everyone else.
We're guests, and sometimes we act like we own the place.
Agree, agree, agree & agree.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:18:04pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Walter, you are not a boogey man. You give yourself too much credit. You are a denier troll.
I assure you that the Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real, catastrophic and man caused, just like the APS does, is not questioning the science or the scientists.
Funny how when you bring up "questions" that the Royal society has, you do not mention that. It would be minimally honest if you did.
They are, as has now been explained to you at least 12 times (didn't you bring out this rubbish last night too? Of course you did.) The inquiry under British and not American FOI stuff is there to appease politicians.
It is just like when Penn State was forced to "look into" Mann. Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this.
However, trolls like you will continue to make smoke.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:18:26pm |
re: #168 darthstar
Yeah...fuck the unemployed!
//Note: I just did a phone screening where the guy actually reminded me he's been out of work for a year. Interview was going well up until that point, then he started into a lament about college grads being much cheaper...save that talk for your wife! I've got ten resumes I'm reviewing...I don't need a guilt-trip. And I told the guy up front that we're looking for enthusiastic people who are technical and enjoy what they do. Still, I'll keep him in mind as I do my final review...
I am a woman. Hire me! Everybody knows that we only earn 80% of what men make for the same job.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:18:34pm |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
As I remember it, that wasn't the point.
The argument at the time was that Brown was successfully using the Tea Party people, not that he was a member. He courted them well enough to get them to campaign for him, and thats all. Its also what we said at the time (as I remember it)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:18:45pm |
re: #188 Rightwingconspirator
I do not understand your characterization there Kilgore. Is it not just a moderate political act? Bipartisan even?
I thought the Tea Partiers were claiming that Brown's election was blowback against Obama's radical socialist agenda, now he's voting for it. I just checked the Hot Air thread and they don't seem very upset about it. Oh, well. I'd love to see the Republicans participate in solving the country's problems but I though more people would be upset. Maybe we can get healthcare reform passed after all.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:19:16pm |
re: #187 HoosierHoops
Exactly Ludwig...We invest in new code and great hardware for our Scientists...They deserve nothing less..
I think all climate data should be in C++ Because it can handle complex matrix mathematics and is a structured language that allows a million lines of code with no problems at all.
Problem with C++: it's performance is roughly an order of magnitude worse than C when it comes to heavy number crunching. There are ways to work around this, but no matter what you do, compilers for C++ simply haven't been optimized to the same extent that older compilers for simpler languages have. If performance is important - and it typically is in cases like these - I'd only use C++ for the user interface layer, and stick to C for the computational core.
C is almost as good as Fortran when it comes to performance, close enough that the benefits you've mentioned outweigh the fairly small difference.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:19:27pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
And by the way, I wrote something similar to that wayyyy back, in the old days, and was shouted down for my attempts to stifle free speech.
Glad to have you on board.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:19:47pm |
re: #185 windsagio
might work better to use the term 'acting in bad faith' rather than 'trolling'. People seem to have particular associations with the word troll, and don't really get what a concern-troll is.
That is well said. I thought I explained it pretty well in the first post. He is "ohhh so concerned that science is done right" and he then implies it is done wrong and that everything is in question. He of course, assumes he knows better than the scientists and has no real beef with the science. It is all very dishonest.
So you are right troll is perhaps the wrong word. I'll simply say dishonest, vain and arrogant.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:20:24pm |
re: #207 windsagio
As I remember it, that wasn't the point.
The argument at the time was that Brown was successfully using the Tea Party people, not that he was a member. He courted them well enough to get them to campaign for him, and thats all. Its also what we said at the time (as I remember it)
Well, as I recall it - that was what CapeCoddah was trying to say - but many many many took issue with it (and her, for saying it).
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:20:26pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I thought the Tea Partiers were claiming that Brown's election was blowback against Obama's radical socialist agenda, now he's voting for it. I just checked the Hot Air thread and they don't seem very upset about it. Oh, well. I'd love to see the Republicans participate in solving the country's problems but I though more people would be upset. Maybe we can get healthcare reform passed after all.
put a decent bill up and I see no problem getting one passed...it was never anything else to begin with
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:20:43pm |
re: #209 SixDegrees
Problem with C++: it's performance is roughly an order of magnitude worse than C when it comes to heavy number crunching. There are ways to work around this, but no matter what you do, compilers for C++ simply haven't been optimized to the same extent that older compilers for simpler languages have. If performance is important - and it typically is in cases like these - I'd only use C++ for the user interface layer, and stick to C for the computational core.
C is almost as good as Fortran when it comes to performance, close enough that the benefits you've mentioned outweigh the fairly small difference.
I programmed in Pascal and PL/I for Numerical Analysis.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:20:48pm |
re: #193 albusteve
you said you would not address me...stick to your word please
Actually I told you not to talk to me. I never said I would not counter your lies when you post them directly to me.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:21:01pm |
re: #196 Walter L. Newton
So... you understand that jerk... it's your fault. You FORCE someone to get mad. If you just would keep you fucking mouth shut and sit back and maybe disappear, then every thing would be alright.
Disappearing now (into the deer clearing with 50 lbs of deer feed!!!)
Walter ,, seriously ,,,,, remind me when you "see" me later this week. i'll be in work Wednesday, Thursday and Friday from 10 eastern
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:21:01pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
I think the 2 sides were arguing 2 totally different things across each other that day :p
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:21:02pm |
re: #206 Alouette
I am a woman. Hire me! Everybody knows that we only earn 80% of what men make for the same job.
So if Hillary had won we'd only have to pay her 320,000 to be president? /
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:21:49pm |
re: #218 darthstar
"Balance the budget! Replace all men in government with Women!"
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:22:04pm |
re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote
Actually I told you not to talk to me. I never said I would not counter your lies when you post them directly to me.
you are no scientist, you are no advocate...you are a disturbed person, stay away from me please
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:22:16pm |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
Does it look like she may have been correct?
I think so, He always seemed like a moderate to me. Although he accepted support from the Tea Party activists he claimed he'd never even heard of the Tea Parties. I'm surprised that the wingnuts aren't more upset but they seem to be pretty accepting of his support for the jobs bill.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:22:26pm |
re: #217 windsagio
I think the 2 sides were arguing 2 totally different things across each other that day :p
It sure seemed that way.
But all she was trying to say was that although he may have had Tea Party support, and he perhaps even wanted it, he was not a "tea-partier".
And folks went ballistic on her, if I recall correctly.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:23:06pm |
re: #220 albusteve
Here we get to the part where people intentionally aggrivate LVQ until the thread goes down in flames.
*sadface*
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:23:26pm |
re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote
Surely you are capable of supplying context for a valid comment without slandering the commenter's motives by labeling them a "concern troll".
Very unimpressive.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:23:43pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
I think so, He always seemed like a moderate to me. Although he accepted support from the Tea Party activists he claimed he'd never even heard of the Tea Parties. I'm surprised that the wingnuts aren't more upset but they seem to be pretty accepting of his support for the jobs bill.
he's gonna run for president!...get aboard early for the best seats, the wind is blowin that-away!
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:23:46pm |
re: #222 reine.de.tout
Either way the point holds. He's not that interested in tea party political thought.
The interesting question is what they'll take from this. Further purity tests in the future?
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:24:08pm |
re: #209 SixDegrees
Problem with C++: it's performance is roughly an order of magnitude worse than C when it comes to heavy number crunching. There are ways to work around this, but no matter what you do, compilers for C++ simply haven't been optimized to the same extent that older compilers for simpler languages have. If performance is important - and it typically is in cases like these - I'd only use C++ for the user interface layer, and stick to C for the computational core.
C is almost as good as Fortran when it comes to performance, close enough that the benefits you've mentioned outweigh the fairly small difference.
Jeez I gotta agree with that.. In-Line C Functions are lighting fast.. After all most device drivers are written in C and Apple uses pure C for it's OS..
So lets go pure C with C++ on the user interface..
*high Five*
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:24:08pm |
re: #220 albusteve
you are no scientist, you are no advocate...you are a disturbed person, stay away from me please
LOL
Fine, then don't address me and don't lie.
I don't care if you doubt my credentials. The proof is in the pudding.
And you were wrong earlier when you said I want to like you.
I don't.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:24:28pm |
re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote
You, sir, are continuing to lose credibility. There is no need to berate people you disagree with. Name calling is juvenile. I cannot fathom why a self proclaimed scientist feels the need to stalk people on an anonymous blog and call them names and berate them simply because you disagree.
Totally unprofessional.
IMHO.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:24:30pm |
re: #222 reine.de.tout
It sure seemed that way.
But all she was trying to say was that although he may have had Tea Party support, and he perhaps even wanted it, he was not a "tea-partier".And folks went ballistic on her, if I recall correctly.
yes, the poor woman got trashed pretty good, called a liar etc
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Kragar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:24:58pm |
re: #223 windsagio
Here we get to the part where people intentionally aggrivate LVQ until the thread goes down in flames.
*sadface*
Scroll buttons, invented for a reason.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:25:00pm |
re: #226 windsagio
Either way the point holds. He's not that interested in tea party political thought.
The interesting question is what they'll take from this. Further purity tests in the future?
We'll have to wait and see.
I think the "tea party movement" is such a conglomeration of all sorts of different interests, it's going to collapse - in fact is in the midst of a collapse. I really hope.
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:25:24pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I thought the Tea Partiers were claiming that Brown's election was blowback against Obama's radical socialist agenda, now he's voting for it. I just checked the Hot Air thread and they don't seem very upset about it.
Looking for consistency in all the wrong places...
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:25:25pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As a proper Obama advocate I believe that "Yes I can change the direction of the thread" ;)
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:25:29pm |
re: #223 windsagio
Here we get to the part where people intentionally aggrivate LVQ until the thread goes down in flames.
*sadface*
Looks to be the other way around lately.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:26:34pm |
re: #218 darthstar
So if Hillary had won we'd only have to pay her 320,000 to be president? /
I never did understand that claim. Did they mean women actually earn only 80% of what men are paid for the exact same job, or did they compare "equivalent" jobs, like a mechanic and a manicurist?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:26:47pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
Well, as I recall it - that was what CapeCoddah was trying to say - but many many many took issue with it (and her, for saying it).
Kinda mea culpa - as usual I did it with dings. I was just offended by the second revolution flags flying at Brown's speech, at that time, could not see a disconnect from the tea party.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:26:57pm |
re: #232 reine.de.tout
We'll have to wait and see.
I think the "tea party movement" is such a conglomeration of all sorts of different interests, it's going to collapse - in fact is in the midst of a collapse. I really hope.
I just hope it's a very public and very chaotic collapse. And I hope it takes down every pundit and politician who kissed teabagger ass with it.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:26:59pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:27:03pm |
re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote
Walter, you are not a boogey man. You give yourself too much credit. You are a denier troll.
I assure you that the Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real, catastrophic and man caused, just like the APS does, is not questioning the science or the scientists.
Funny how when you bring up "questions" that the Royal society has, you do not mention that. It would be minimally honest if you did.
They are, as has now been explained to you at least 12 times (didn't you bring out this rubbish last night too? Of course you did.) The inquiry under British and not American FOI stuff is there to appease politicians.
It is just like when Penn State was forced to "look into" Mann. Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this.
However, trolls like you will continue to make smoke.
YOU ARE SO WRONG THAT I NEVER MENTIONED THAT " the Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real, catastrophic and man caused, just like the APS does, is not questioning the science or the scientists. "
Read one of my many post on the subject...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:27:06pm |
re: #206 Alouette
I am a woman. Hire me! Everybody knows that we only earn 80% of what men make for the same job.
Thanks to Ms. Ledbetter, however, they better do a better job of not letting us know that. :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:27:19pm |
Hey, Mandy...
We went in Thursday for that ADHD study. Turns out that we don't qualify for the longitudinal study (his teacher and his mother have to be two different people), but they needed us for the pilot study, to be guineau pigs. He still got his prize and his $20, so he's happy.
They separated us and had me answer questions about him, including questions about different issues in his genealogy. That was emotional for me, because I was saying "No" for him to questions that I knew the answer was "Yes" for other children.*
He got to answer questions on a computer while wearing electrodes to measure his heartrate. He said it was boring. They had us do something together while he was still hooked up.
The only unpleasant part was taking the electrodes off. We determined that fast was the best way to go.
He even got to eat in the hospital's cafeteria! Wow!
I'm not sure exactly what they were measuring, since it's not always scientificially a good idea to tell the subjects. I'm wondering if they were watching the difference between his doing stuff on his own and with me.
*In case you are not a parent, when you go in for an evaluation on your child, all you want to hear is how terrifice your child is. Everything else is unhappy to hear.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:27:59pm |
re: #236 Alouette
I never did understand that claim. Did they mean women actually earn only 80% of what men are paid for the exact same job, or did they compare "equivalent" jobs, like a mechanic and a manicurist?
In some cases, the same job (Lilly Ledbetter ring a bell?--not sure on the spelling of her name). But yes, equivalent work comparisons as well.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:28:12pm |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
CapeCoddah is in Massachusetts, and she was completely dismissed when she tried to say that Brown may have had some Tea Party support, but he was no tea-partier.
Does it look like she may have been correct?
And how is her daughter, anyone heard? The one who was friends with a murder victim in her area.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:28:28pm |
re: #224 Spare O'Lake
Surely you are capable of supplying context for a valid comment without slandering the commenter's motives by labeling them a "concern troll".
Very unimpressive.
Umm Spare... Did you read at all why I said that?
You did notice that here is someone who comes out against "alarmism" of the science world and continuously tries to slander the scientists as sloppy or mismanaged and questionable professionally? YOu noticed that right?
You also noticed that the very article he brings to continue this slander is actually a case of the science showing that things are much worse than IPCC says?
You notice who that is the real point of the science? That the article he brought, backs up the fact that IPCC is lowball?
You notice how he failed to mention that, yet claims there are questions with how the science is done?
Spare, I would like to be able to like you. I do not think you are as thick headed or stupid as the deniers who still lurk at this site. Please, if you are honest, look at the facts.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:28:44pm |
To get the thread moving the right way I present Cybermen versus the Daleks:
Cybermen: You will identify first!
Dalek Thay: IDENTIFY!
Cybermen: That is illogical. You will modify.
Dalek Thay: Daleks do not take orders.
Cybermen: You have been identified as Daleks.
and then:
Cyber Leader: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?
Dalek Sek: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek. You are superior in only one respect.
Cyber Leader: What is that?
Dalek Sek: You are better at dying!
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Cheechako Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:28:57pm |
re: #115 albusteve
pretty cool...but I don't get it...
Hydrocarbons such as natural gas or biofuel (stored in an adjacent tank) are pumped into the Bloom Box – ceramic plates stacked atop each other to form modules that can be assembled into a unit of any size – and out comes abundant, reliable, cleaner electricity.how does that work?
6o Minutes did a segment on this system last night. About 20 large companies (Google, FedEx) have installed units. So far proving out to be very cost effective. The 60 Minutes piece might be on-line.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:29:02pm |
Son of Texas Plane Crash Victim Calls Attack an Act of Terror
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I can't figure out why there is debate over the label here...murder, terror, what's the difference?
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:29:25pm |
re: #244 The Sanity Inspector
And how is her daughter, anyone heard? The one who was friends with a murder victim in her area.
Where the heck is Cape? She is a sweetheart
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:29:55pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
She was right, and I am getting more uncomfortable with the Tea party label. It's getting much like putting words in a persons mouth. I said it then and I'll stick to it-The Tea party will glom onto every winning right leaner it can. A Californian example-Chuck DeVore rode the Tea party express bus to a rally. He spoke. He supports them on his site. He deserves the label.
But I feel certain when he loses, and if his more moderate opponent wins the general against Boxer, the Tea Party will fly their silly flags and point at Campbell or Fiorina in about two seconds. Maybe even after just the primary.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:30:00pm |
re: #229 Racer X
You, sir, are continuing to lose credibility. There is no need to berate people you disagree with. Name calling is juvenile. I cannot fathom why a self proclaimed scientist feels the need to stalk people on an anonymous blog and call them names and berate them simply because you disagree.
Totally unprofessional.
IMHO.
X, you really have been on my ass for a while now.
If someone is lying, they are a liar.
If someone is being dishonest, they are dishonest.
There is nothing unprofessional about calling foul to fouls.
So seriously, what exactly have I done to you?
When exactly did I piss in your cheerios?
I am not your foe and I do not know why you are trying to make me one.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:30:32pm |
re: #242 EmmmieG
That was not part of the evaluation The Kid had at all. EEG's?
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:31:05pm |
re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote
"The enemy of my friend is... what?"
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:31:08pm |
re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote
Umm Spare... Did you read at all why I said that?
You did notice that here is someone who comes out against "alarmism" of the science world and continuously tries to slander the scientists as sloppy or mismanaged and questionable professionally? YOu noticed that right?
You also noticed that the very article he brings to continue this slander is actually a case of the science showing that things are much worse than IPCC says?
You notice who that is the real point of the science? That the article he brought, backs up the fact that IPCC is lowball?
You notice how he failed to mention that, yet claims there are questions with how the science is done?
Spare, I would like to be able to like you. I do not think you are as thick headed or stupid as the deniers who still lurk at this site. Please, if you are honest, look at the facts.
And did you notice that over the past 7 days, I linked a number of times to the article about the Royal Society investigation by Sir Muir, and I specifically posted the information that they were NOT questioning the science, only the data handling methods.
One example...
Read one of my many post on the subject...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:31:27pm |
re: #237 Stanley Sea
Kinda mea culpa - as usual I did it with dings. I was just offended by the second revolution flags flying at Brown's speech, at that time, could not see a disconnect from the tea party.
Awww!
Upding for this!
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:31:57pm |
re: #247 Cheechako
6o Minutes did a segment on this system last night. About 20 large companies (Google, FedEx) have installed units. So far proving out to be very cost effective. The 60 Minutes piece might be on-line.
I'd like to know how it works...maybe some illustrations etc...sounds really cool...there is no doubt in my mind that very soon there will be compact, efficient ways to generate electricty and this sounds like another winner....Americans are bad ass inventers!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:32:09pm |
re: #244 The Sanity Inspector
And how is her daughter, anyone heard? The one who was friends with a murder victim in her area.
I haven't heard!
I haven't been in contact with her.
I'm gonna send an e-mail, ask her to show up here soon.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:32:15pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
That was not part of the evaluation The Kid had at all. EEG's?
When I was a little tyrant, my parents had me take an EEG...I consider it my first psychedelic trip! Doctor told me to close my eyes and that I'd see colors and patterns...and I did! Yeah, I was a class clown, but they never medicated me.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:32:20pm |
re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote
X, you really have been on my ass for a while now.
If someone is lying, they are a liar.
If someone is being dishonest, they are dishonest.
There is nothing unprofessional about calling foul to fouls.
So seriously, what exactly have I done to you?
When exactly did I piss in your cheerios?
I am not your foe and I do not know why you are trying to make me one.
Then you are being dishonest, I certainly did relate that the Royal Society is not investigating the science, only the methods of data handling...
Read one of my many post on the subject...
Read one of my many post on the subject...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:32:31pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I thought the Tea Partiers were claiming that Brown's election was blowback against Obama's radical socialist agenda, now he's voting for it. I just checked the Hot Air thread and they don't seem very upset about it. Oh, well. I'd love to see the Republicans participate in solving the country's problems but I though more people would be upset. Maybe we can get healthcare reform passed after all.
The Tea Party people (and some non-Tea Party people) seized on the blowback theory of Scott Brown like it was a bottle of Aquafina and they'd been in the desert for forty years. It proved the American people hated Obama, it proved that no one wanted healthcare, it proved Fermat's Last Theorem...a whole lot of stuff.
I suspect that many of the TP people didn't know Scott Brown from a hole in the ground, they were just high on the idea of getting a Republican into Teddy Kennedy's seat. Which, all things considered, was probably a better approach than the NY-23 disaster, where they seized on an ideologically suitable candidate that no one wanted.
Now we find out what Brown does. Hopefully, a good job.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:33:05pm |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:33:11pm |
re: #249 HoosierHoops
Where the heck is Cape? She is a sweetheart
after the thrashing she took over such a innocent subject, I would not blame her for cutting out...others have done the same thing...there is a pattern
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:33:13pm |
re: #254 Walter L. Newton
And did you notice that over the past 7 days, I linked a number of times to the article about the Royal Society investigation by Sir Muir, and I specifically posted the information that they were NOT questioning the science, only the data handling methods.
One example...
Read one of my many post on the subject...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Uhh Huh...
DATA IS THE HEART OF SCIENCE. QUESTIONING DATA HANDLING IS QUESTIONS THE SCIENCE.
Now that is out of the way, you can not have your cake and eat it too Walter.
You can not walk, talk and write like a denier and then claim you aren't.
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:33:42pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
I think so, He always seemed like a moderate to me. Although he accepted support from the Tea Party activists he claimed he'd never even heard of the Tea Parties. I'm surprised that the wingnuts aren't more upset but they seem to be pretty accepting of his support for the jobs bill.
I thought he would be a moderate from the get go. He's a Massachusetts Republican and will have to answer to a large segment of a typical Massachusetts constituency if he expect to be re-elected. A similar case would be former Governor Romney of Mass. People don't seem to understand the Northeast and expecting Brown to vote like Demint isn't in the cards. This is why you'll find Snowe, Collins and even former Rep. John M. McHugh (R - NY-23rd) straying from the flock on occasion. Or even James L. Buckley (R - NY) who who joined Edmund Muskie and "became an articulate supporter of the landmark 1972 Clean Water Act."
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:33:48pm |
When was the brown election anyways? I wanna go back and look over the discussion now >
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:33:58pm |
re: #263 LudwigVanQuixote
Uhh Huh...
DATA IS THE HEART OF SCIENCE. QUESTIONING DATA HANDLING IS QUESTIONS THE SCIENCE.
Now that is out of the way, you can not have your cake and eat it too Walter.
You can not walk, talk and write like a denier and then claim you aren't.
Then I am walking and talking exactly like Sir Muir at the Royal Society.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:34:07pm |
re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist
You just got a good hint with that declaration. Looks like a moderate to me, truck and all. :)
Maybe if he switches it to natural gas power...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:34:10pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
That was not part of the evaluation The Kid had at all. EEG's?
They were measuring heartrate--and they'll be testing both ADHD and non-ADHD kids to see if there is a difference.
I think the classic evaluation was probably my part of the study, in which I evaluated his behavior. Probably, his teacher would have done part of it. Just based on the questions asked, I would sort him into ADD, not ADHD.
The permission form included MRI's, and I freaked out because we had not agreed to that over the phone, but it turned out that it was a blanket form.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:34:20pm |
re: #238 darthstar
I just hope it's a very public and very chaotic collapse. And I hope it takes down every pundit and politician who kissed teabagger ass with it.
LOL.
You don't just want 'em gone.
You want them to be thoroughly embarrassed!
I'll settle for "gone".
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Cheechako Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:34:25pm |
re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote
He is taking a very specific form of denier troll stance. He is playing himself up as a "concern troll." He is concerned that the scientists are sloppy in their work, and he will tell us how to make it better and do our jobs right "for the sake of the science." In the mean time of course is the accusation that we are doing our jobs wrong and the false notion that he knows better.
It's a very backhanded form of trolling.
If he really cared about honesty or the science for instance, he might have thought to mention what bringing the news of the retraction means.
The retraction of that article means that the authors were forced to concede that the IPCC report was low ball.
If Walter cared for the science, and was not being a troll, then why did he forget to mention that?
I thought Walter was commenting on the process and not the contents.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:34:30pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:34:58pm |
re: #217 windsagio
I think the 2 sides were arguing 2 totally different things across each other that day :p
They were.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:35:32pm |
re: #262 albusteve
after the thrashing she took over such a innocent subject, I would not blame her for cutting out...others have done the same thing...there is a pattern
Innocent subject? Thrashing? Geeze. Any Obama supporter had to be in a chainmail suit during the SOTU. LGF requires it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:35:40pm |
re: #263 LudwigVanQuixote
And again... each time I posted a link to this article, I quoted the fact that the Royal Society was not investigating the science, only the methods...
"The University of East Anglia announced on Thursday that it would conduct an "independent, external reappraisal of the science" used in the publications produced by its world-renowned Climatic Research Unit.
Sir Muir said the results of his inquiry would be published but warned that it would not ''audit the [unit's] scientific conclusions", only the scientists' behaviour and how they followed data procedures."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:36:07pm |
re: #270 Cheechako
I thought Walter was commenting on the process and not the contents.
he was, he always has...Walter has never denied anything...that's wholely made up
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:36:12pm |
re: #273 Stanley Sea
psst! Don't get in the way of the martyrdom!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:37:29pm |
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:37:35pm |
re: #269 reine.de.tout
LOL.
You don't just want 'em gone.
You want them to be thoroughly embarrassed!I'll settle for "gone".
They'll never be 'gone.' They'll just rename themselves to something like Post-Industrial Revolution Revolutionaries In Christ (PIRRIC, a synonym for their victories).
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:38:08pm |
re: #279 darthstar
They'll never be 'gone.' They'll just rename themselves to something like Post-Industrial Revolution Revolutionaries In Christ (PIRRIC, a synonym for their victories).
Crap...not synonym...homonym. Though they won't like homonym because it sounds to geh.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:38:32pm |
re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote
My intent is not to "make you a foe". We are all Lizards.
I see a concerted effort on the part of several Lizards to behave in an appropriate manner when there is a disagreement. Lately it seems like you are making it personal, and letting your emotions get the better of you. I felt compelled to make you aware of this as it diminishes your credibility, and brings a negative vibe to this place.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:38:47pm |
re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist
I suspect that many of the TP people didn't know Scott Brown from a hole in the ground, they were just high on the idea of getting a Republican into Teddy Kennedy's seat. Which, all things considered, was probably a better approach than the NY-23 disaster, where they seized on an ideologically suitable candidate that no one wanted.Now we find out what Brown does. Hopefully, a good job.
That's a good point.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:39:06pm |
re: #271 darthstar
re: #263 LudwigVanQuixote
Both of you, take out a tape measure and measure your penis size, then post it here. That should end this "debate" once and for all.
Sheesh.
Oh dear G-d this is not about penis size.
The complaint is that there was an article posted as an "example" that science is constantly being revised - and hence we don't really have certainty and all that other claptrap that he normally posts.
He then neglected to mention that the fact that paper that was retracted, actually puts the minority that said the AGW effects are not so bad down and promotes that the truths are what the majority of the community has been saying all along.
What matter is the science.
That is the science.
By making this about me or him or simply calling this a penis measuring game you are being terribly insulting.
The article that my dishonest interlocutor brings is further evidence that if we do not act in time billions die.
What I care about is getting people to be real about the billions dying part.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:39:11pm |
re: #265 windsagio
When was the brown election anyways? I wanna go back and look over the discussion now >
I went to tools/info (upper left), and under that, I clicked "Tag Storm", and found "Massachusetts", and here is the search result:
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:39:12pm |
re: #267 Rightwingconspirator
You just got a good hint with that declaration. Looks like a moderate to me, truck and all. :)
Maybe if he switches it to natural gas power...
That truck!
So, is he gonna be allowed to do this with no hysterical screaming from the peanut gallery?
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:39:23pm |
re: #280 darthstar
Crap...not synonym...homonym. Though they won't like homonym because it sounds to geh.
Crap, crap, crap...I'm not thinking straight...that should be homophone.
Sheesh.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:39:46pm |
re: #284 reine.de.tout
I have learned, if I ask people will do the work for me :P
Terrible, I know ;)
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:39:49pm |
re: #257 reine.de.tout
I haven't heard!
I haven't been in contact with her.
I'm gonna send an e-mail, ask her to show up here soon.
Please, do.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:40:02pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:40:14pm |
re: #273 Stanley Sea
Innocent subject? Thrashing? Geeze. Any Obama supporter had to be in a chainmail suit during the SOTU. LGF requires it.
Well, not to mention following the Brown victory. It was pretty ugly in here that evening in general.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:40:30pm |
re: #258 darthstar
When I was a little tyrant, my parents had me take an EEG...I consider it my first psychedelic trip! Doctor told me to close my eyes and that I'd see colors and patterns...and I did! Yeah, I was a class clown, but they never medicated me.
Then you didn't have balls-to-the-wall ADHD.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:40:36pm |
re: #286 darthstar
Crap, crap, crap...I'm not thinking straight...that should be homophone.
Sheesh.
Don't worry friend..You will get it right.. I promise you...
*wink*
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:40:56pm |
re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, not to mention following the Brown victory. It was pretty ugly in here that evening in general.
Water in the desert. Yep.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:41:03pm |
re: #283 LudwigVanQuixote
I haven't gotten into a serious 'debate' with our dear Walter in several weeks...haven't missed it one bit.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:41:09pm |
re: #274 Walter L. Newton
re: #266 Walter L. Newton
Wait, weren't you no longer talking to me?
LOL
Look for all the fools out there who think that talking about the process of science being off, but then somehow the science produced by bad procedure could be correct - and hence is not in question, you are being foolish. You are playing at fictions that only a well paid attorney could argue with a straight face.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:41:09pm |
re: #287 windsagio
I have learned, if I ask people will do the work for me :P
Terrible, I know ;)
You may also have noticed that I gave you the directions for how to find this stuff; so next time you will be prepared to do it yourself.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:41:37pm |
re: #291 MandyManners
Then you didn't have balls-to-the-wall ADHD.
I had a sister who literally could not sit in a seat until they medicated her.
I just had trouble not being distracted by every last thing.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:41:41pm |
So, Joe Lieberman has come out in support of repealing DADT. Good for him.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:41:47pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:42:11pm |
re: #268 EmmmieG
They were measuring heartrate--and they'll be testing both ADHD and non-ADHD kids to see if there is a difference.
I think the classic evaluation was probably my part of the study, in which I evaluated his behavior. Probably, his teacher would have done part of it. Just based on the questions asked, I would sort him into ADD, not ADHD.
The permission form included MRI's, and I freaked out because we had not agreed to that over the phone, but it turned out that it was a blanket form.
Oh, that was part of the study.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:42:13pm |
re: #289 Racer X
Dude is hung like a squirrel!
X is there really a reason you are going there?
I have never given you shit buddy, but fine.
You can go on the asshole list too if you wish.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:42:53pm |
re: #300 Racer X
What would you have us do?
To reverse AGW that is.
Holy moly - you can look up this stuff, here on LGF. No need to start over again.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:43:17pm |
re: #283 LudwigVanQuixote
The article that my dishonest interlocutor brings is further evidence that if we do not act in time billions die.
What I care about is getting people to be real about the billions dying part.
Good grief.
"BILLIONS WILL DIE!!"
Am I my brother's keeper?
It's this frenzied alarmism that turns me off all together eve if factually accurate with date. I have more concrete proof and scientific data about cigarettes and cancer and I am not waging my anti smoking crusade.
If we created it...we'll get out of it.
But I am just an optimist that way...just the way I roll.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:43:19pm |
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:43:51pm |
re: #302 LudwigVanQuixote
X is there really a reason you are going there?
I have never given you shit buddy, but fine.
You can go on the asshole list too if you wish.
I may have been referring to Walter?
It was a joke Q. Lighten up.
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:43:55pm |
Flyover of Apple's new billion dollar, half-million sq. foot building in NC, to host a server farm:
That building will be full of computers and drives (and archive material...)
Is this The Beast, prophesied of old?
| 310 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:44:08pm |
re: #283 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig... here is your quote from above...
I assure you that the Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real, catastrophic and man caused, just like the APS does, is not questioning the science or the scientists.
Funny how when you bring up "questions" that the Royal society has, you do not mention that. It would be minimally honest if you did.
You're comment above is dishonest... over the last seven or so days, I posted a link to a Sydney Morning Herald article article at least 4-5 times, and each time I did post the information that you claim I didn't...
Heres' my comment...
The University of East Anglia announced on Thursday that it would conduct an "independent, external reappraisal of the science" used in the publications produced by its world-renowned Climatic Research Unit.
Sir Muir said the results of his inquiry would be published but warned that it would not ''audit the [unit's] scientific conclusions", only the scientists' behaviour and how they followed data procedures.
And the link...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:44:15pm |
re: #257 reine.de.tout
I haven't heard!
I haven't been in contact with her.
I'm gonna send an e-mail, ask her to show up here soon.
You tell her if she posts here again I promise to play Scrabble on-line with you girls..
I have only played it once in my life and hated it.. Just hate word games..
I will play and win against you all!
*wink*
| 312 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:44:28pm |
re: #306 Oh no...Sand People!
PIMF: ...even if factually accurate with data.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:44:29pm |
re: #305 Stanley Sea
Fuck if I didn't walk right into it. It's ridiculous though people!
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:44:31pm |
re: #297 EmmmieG
I had a sister who literally could not sit in a seat until they medicated her.
I just had trouble not being distracted by every last thing.
The Kid has both of those. Before I figured out that there was something wrong wih his brain, I would sometimes tie him into his chair at dinner.
| 315 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:44:54pm |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course not, why should he be off the hook for the customary abuse?
I laughed the other day, reading about how you can get full size hybrid trucks. Just wait until someone carrying flammable cargo has a charging battery overheat and fire.
| 316 |
darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:45:00pm |
re: #303 Gus 802
There goes the "party of NO" label...and it fit them so well. Maybe some Republicans are starting to think about what they can do for their country instead of just focusing on making the President look like a failure. I welcome this hopey-changey thing.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:45:05pm |
re: #305 Stanley Sea
Holy moly - you can look up this stuff, here on LGF. No need to start over again.
Ah-Ha!
Yet here we they are - hurling insults at each other over "data".
I'm bored again.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:45:23pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
The Kid has both of those. Before I figured out that there was something wrong wih his brain, I would sometimes tie him into his chair at dinner.
I used masking tape. I was just trying to get the boy in question to think before he stood up.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:45:42pm |
re: #286 darthstar
Crap, crap, crap...I'm not thinking straight...that should be homophone.
Sheesh.
I was a kid in school when they started calling a homonym a homophone. Same thing, IIRC. Which makes it a synonym, right?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:46:32pm |
re: #315 Rightwingconspirator
Of course not, why should he be off the hook for the customary abuse?
I laughed the other day, reading about how you can get full size hybrid trucks. Just wait until someone carrying flammable cargo has a charging battery overheat and fire.
Well, customary abuse is one thing--I'm just wondering if the Whacka-Whacka Brigade will go after him now.
| 321 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:46:36pm |
re: #243 darthstar
In some cases, the same job (Lilly Ledbetter ring a bell?--not sure on the spelling of her name). But yes, equivalent work comparisons as well.
How are you going to prove discrimination? I am a woman and over 50, if I don't get the job because they decide to hire Sum Yun Gai even though he only has 1 year of experience after graduating from the University of Beijing, how can I prove it's age and sex discrimination and not because they say he's more qualified?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:46:40pm |
re: #318 EmmmieG
I used masking tape. I was just trying to get the boy in question to think before he stood up.
Masking tape wasn't strong enough.
| 323 |
Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:47:19pm |
re: #88 Walter L. Newton
Didn't you tell me Skeptics Magazine (and website) is a good place for pro/con AGW articles which you would consider valid?
I can only find one article on AGW on their site, and it is about a the validity of a certain petition, not a discussion on AGW.
What did I miss?
Keep in mind that they only put limited articles online, you really should get a subscription
| 324 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:47:29pm |
re: #300 Racer X
What would you have us do?
To reverse AGW that is.
Well, like I have written several dozen times, and you have even agreed with and updinged, at least ten times....
We need to switch our power generation away from fossil fuels.
To do so cleanly, and efficiently with present technology - and it is possible to do - we need to deploy:
Nuclear power,
Solar power,
Wind power,
Smart energy grids
High energy density batteries.
Electric vehicles.
The benefits of doing so, apart from avoiding gloabl ecological catastophe that will destruy our civilization as we know it and kill billions are:
We would ultimately create tens of thousands to even hndreds of thousands of jobs.
The money that pays for those jobs would be the money we are currently spending to prop up evil regimes like Saudi Arabia, so we win economically and politically.
The programs would pay for themselves quite quickly because of the resulting economic boom.
America comes out richer, more powerful and with weaker enemies.
Ohh then there is the part about being able to breathe cleanly in NY or LA and the resultant health benefits for the nation coupled with the reduced medical costs that would come from living someplace not polluted.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:47:49pm |
re: #319 wrenchwench
I was a kid in school when they started calling a homonym a homophone. Same thing, IIRC. Which makes it a synonym, right?
Yes, but technically, a homonym is two words with the same spelling and pronunciation but different meanings like "stalk" as in flower stalk and "stalk" as in psycho-follower.
An example of homophones: two, too, to, deer, dear, etc...
| 327 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:48:00pm |
re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote
I read your comment, and it was a vicious, libelous, attack on someone who constantly has made it clear that he does not deny AGW.
The context you supplied was actually interesting, but was quickly lost in your judgmental rhetoric.
When you have a good point to make, why spoil it with a cheap personal attack?
| 328 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:48:06pm |
re: #311 HoosierHoops
You tell her if she posts here again I promise to play Scrabble on-line with you girls..
I have only played it once in my life and hated it.. Just hate word games..
I will play and win against you all!
*wink*
Hoops - you don't have a clue just how great we are at Scrabble.
Really.
We play on a "super" scrabble board, larger than the usual, and they have quad-point and quad-word squares.
I made 270 points on one word once.
Notice the "once"; that is not normal.
But scores in the 500 range are usual.
| 329 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:49:06pm |
“Illinois’ fiscal crisis has been many years in the making. It was caused by more than 30 years of pension underfunding and many years of spending unfettered by the state’s shrinking revenue resources,” said Msall.
pension underfunding....unions...
so citizens face a 'doomsday tax increase'....I'd split or refuse to pay it
[Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]
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avanti Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:49:32pm |
re: #303 Gus 802
The other blogs are going nuts. This AM, Brown was getting some support to run for POTUS, now they want him voted out of office, and labeled a RINO,
| 331 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:50:34pm |
re: #330 avanti
The other blogs are going nuts. This AM, Brown was getting some support to run for POTUS, now they want him voted out of office, and labeled a RINO,
I'm sure it's coming. He voted alongside Snowe and Collins so all sorts of unhinged activity is sure to follow.
| 332 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:50:40pm |
re: #321 Alouette
How are you going to prove discrimination? I am a woman and over 50, if I don't get the job because they decide to hire Sum Yun Gai even though he only has 1 year of experience after graduating from the University of Beijing, how can I prove it's age and sex discrimination and not because they say he's more qualified?
It's very, very difficult in most cases. In the Ledbetter case, they had a LOT of information.
| 333 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:50:43pm |
sigh; damn blog moves too fast.
I looked through all the old Brown threads, and people aren't remembering the discussion right >>
Too late to really discuss now tho'
| 334 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:50:57pm |
re: #306 Oh no...Sand People!
Good grief.
"BILLIONS WILL DIE!!"
Am I my brother's keeper?
It's this frenzied alarmism that turns me off all together eve if factually accurate with date. I have more concrete proof and scientific data about cigarettes and cancer and I am not waging my anti smoking crusade.
If we created it...we'll get out of it.
But I am just an optimist that way...just the way I roll.
Except that smoking kills thousands each year, maybe millions. Billions will die is accurate, and you and your kids will be the ones facing the hardship.
What you just said is deeply stupid.
If you are stuck in front of a train rushing towards you, it is not alarmist to scream that you need to move.
You actually do need to move.
Moreover, what the science is telling us is that no, sorry, there will be no fix f we cross a tipping point.
Sometimes life is like that.
If you get shot in the head with a .50 cal rifle, you will die. There is no medical science to put you back together again. Therefore, just as it then behooves youy to avoid people with sniper rifles that want to shoot you, it behooves you to avoid the eco-collapse. Once it happens, the die is cast.
| 335 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:51:08pm |
re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist
I would not think so at least not over the jobs bill. Of course they are unstable by nature so I could be way wrong. Lots of Tea Partiers are on unemployment, and if there is one thing we all agree on is we need to get millions back to work.
Practicality-He's not from Utah. Mas ia different kind of Republican. Like here in Ca. Hard core Bible Belt Pro life Republicans here... are at best, voters, not office holders.
| 336 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:51:11pm |
re: #331 Gus 802
I'm sure it's coming. He voted alongside Snowe and Collins so all sorts of unhinged activity is sure to follow.
Heads will surely be asploding.
| 337 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:51:37pm |
re: #328 reine.de.tout
Hoops - you don't have a clue just how great we are at Scrabble.
Really.We play on a "super" scrabble board, larger than the usual, and they have quad-point and quad-word squares.
I made 270 points on one word once.
Notice the "once"; that is not normal.
But scores in the 500 range are usual.
I never made it past one game in my life...You tell Capecodder this is her chance to completely trash me in a game...Tell her we miss her!
| 338 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:51:48pm |
re: #330 avanti
The other blogs are going nuts. This AM, Brown was getting some support to run for POTUS, now they want him voted out of office, and labeled a RINO,
Ah. So it is happening.
| 339 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:51:57pm |
| 340 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:52:14pm |
re: #331 Gus 802
I'm sure it's coming. He voted alongside Snowe and Collins so all sorts of unhinged activity is sure to follow.
Are they still mailing Snowe free rock salt?
| 341 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:52:24pm |
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:52:38pm |
re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist
Ah. So it is happening.
Some recent Tweets:
pauline_ma RT @cdcantu: THIS!-->RT @owillis: hey #tcot, scott brown betrayal is clearly a sign u guys cant trust republicans. time to go 3rd party with palin! #p2
FloridaJayhawk @jansimpson - Was Right. Scott Brown Is Not A Conservative - Another Progressive RINO like McCain, Lindsey & Romney @scottbrownma #traitor
| 343 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:52:58pm |
| 344 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:53:11pm |
re: #334 LudwigVanQuixote
Except that smoking kills thousands each year, maybe millions. Billions will die is accurate, and you and your kids will be the ones facing the hardship.
What you just said is deeply stupid.
If you are stuck in front of a train rushing towards you, it is not alarmist to scream that you need to move.
You actually do need to move.
Moreover, what the science is telling us is that no, sorry, there will be no fix f we cross a tipping point.
Sometimes life is like that.
If you get shot in the head with a .50 cal rifle, you will die. There is no medical science to put you back together again. Therefore, just as it then behooves youy to avoid people with sniper rifles that want to shoot you, it behooves you to avoid the eco-collapse. Once it happens, the die is cast.
So let's ban smoking.
//
| 345 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:53:44pm |
| 346 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:53:55pm |
re: #327 Spare O'Lake
I read your comment, and it was a vicious, libelous, attack on someone who constantly has made it clear that he does not deny AGW.
The context you supplied was actually interesting, but was quickly lost in your judgmental rhetoric.
When you have a good point to make, why spoil it with a cheap personal attack?
Spare, cut it out.
Seriously.
You are not new here, you know the crap he posts and the tone he takes.
Don't play dumb. It is unbecoming.
Further, if the point I made is that the science is correct and that IPCC is indeed lowball, and hence what will happen is much worse than IPCC, then you have bigger things to worry about than if you like the way I point out the truth.
Those bigger things include:
Billions of deaths.
The collapse of America as we know it.
The collapse of the economy as we know it.
A new dark ages for mankind.
Worry about that and don't insult me by pretending that is less important than anything else.
| 347 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:54:17pm |
re: #330 avanti
The other blogs are going nuts. This AM, Brown was getting some support to run for POTUS, now they want him voted out of office, and labeled a RINO,
non of that means shit...you should know that by now...cherry pick some stuff off s blog few people have ever heard of then claim it's the pulse of America...gets pretty old
| 348 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:54:24pm |
re: #344 Oh no...Sand People!
So let's ban smoking.
//
You will have to pry my last Cuban Cigar from my dying hands...
| 349 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:54:54pm |
re: #345 Varek Raith
I'm for that.
;)
Though I disagree with what you smoke, I will defend to the death your right to smoke it.
heh.
| 350 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:16pm |
re: #343 Varek Raith
62-30
Huh. A lot of abstention or absenteeism?
Either way, it doesn't look like the solidarity we've seen on other votes was in evidence this time.
| 351 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:23pm |
re: #347 albusteve
non of that means shit...you should know that by now...cherry pick some stuff off s blog few people have ever heard of then claim it's the pulse of America...gets pretty old
I don't think any of these people are the pulse of America. God knows, they want the title, though.
| 353 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:33pm |
re: #328 reine.de.tout
Hoops - you don't have a clue just how great we are at Scrabble.
Really.We play on a "super" scrabble board, larger than the usual, and they have quad-point and quad-word squares.
I made 270 points on one word once.
Notice the "once"; that is not normal.
But scores in the 500 range are usual.
quick, name all the two-letter words containing "u".
| 354 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:35pm |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
It's very, very difficult in most cases. In the Ledbetter case, they had a LOT of information.
Maybe the Ledbetter case was an anomaly.
I know that sex, race, age, height, weight, nationality, religion, and all other kinds of discrimination goes on all the time but it's impossible to prove.
And now I'm running into that "overqualified" and "overeducated" thing too.
| 355 |
b_sharp Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:36pm |
re: #19 HoosierHoops
I hate players that don't even need a finger pick to shred the guitar...Like Derrick Trucks
/Green with envy
What's a pick?
I haven't used one for years. I did however, saw the tips of my fingers off so the fingernails overhang more. Quite a successful surgery, if a bit painful.
| 356 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:53pm |
| 357 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:55:56pm |
re: #344 Oh no...Sand People!
So let's ban smoking.
//
Yeah ok, it would be funny... except billions really will die.
| 358 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:56:06pm |
Why Brown voted yes on jobs bill
“I came to Washington to be an independent voice, to put politics aside, and to do everything in my power to help create jobs for Massachusetts families. This Senate jobs bill is not perfect. I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I am voting for it because it contains measures that will help put people back to work. “I was disappointed with the continuation of politics-as-usual in the drafting of this bill, as it was crafted behind closed doors, without transparency and accountability. I hope for improvements in that process going forward. All of us, Republicans and Democrats, have to work together to get our economy back on track. I hope my vote today is a strong step toward restoring bipartisanship in Washington."
| 359 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:56:11pm |
re: #349 Oh no...Sand People!
Though I disagree with what you smoke, I will defend to the death your right to smoke it.
heh.
Very far away from me, my children, my pets and my drapes, though.
| 360 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:56:29pm |
re: #346 LudwigVanQuixote
Amazing... I link to a good article, in a paper favorable to AAGW science, an article that has a good balanced point of view, and you still manage to turn it into a personal slam on half the people posting in this thread.
You're marvelous.
| 361 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:57:00pm |
re: #324 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh then there is the part about being able to breathe cleanly in NY or LA and the resultant health benefits for the nation coupled with the reduced medical costs that would come from living someplace not polluted.
With all due respect to the science, "Billions will die" has been heard far too many times from crackpots or long odds disaster scenarios like an asteroid strike. Sorry that's the reality in billions of minds. As a guy with a couple decades in marketing your final point is the most persuasive for most people. As an LA native, I can attest to the vastly improved quality of life in the post catalytic converter era, and with natural gas buses.
| 362 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:57:06pm |
re: #350 SixDegrees
Huh. A lot of abstention or absenteeism?
Either way, it doesn't look like the solidarity we've seen on other votes was in evidence this time.
| 363 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:57:30pm |
| 364 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:57:41pm |
re: #357 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah ok, it would be funny... except billions really will die.
And I will let them pass legislatively unfettered.
| 365 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:57:56pm |
| 366 |
Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:58:32pm |
re: #324 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, like I have written several dozen times, and you have even agreed with and updinged, at least ten times...
We need to switch our power generation away from fossil fuels.
To do so cleanly, and efficiently with present technology - and it is possible to do - we need to deploy:
Nuclear power,
Solar power,
Wind power,
Smart energy grids
High energy density batteries.
Electric vehicles.The benefits of doing so, apart from avoiding gloabl ecological catastophe that will destruy our civilization as we know it and kill billions are:
We would ultimately create tens of thousands to even hndreds of thousands of jobs.
The money that pays for those jobs would be the money we are currently spending to prop up evil regimes like Saudi Arabia, so we win economically and politically.
The programs would pay for themselves quite quickly because of the resulting economic boom.
America comes out richer, more powerful and with weaker enemies.
Ohh then there is the part about being able to breathe cleanly in NY or LA and the resultant health benefits for the nation coupled with the reduced medical costs that would come from living someplace not polluted.
I agree with all that.
Channel your energy towards your representatives - like I do.
| 367 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:58:36pm |
| 368 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:58:44pm |
re: #353 ggt
quick, name all the two-letter words containing "u".
mu
um
fu
uh
nu
up
ut
ack. That's all I can come up with right now.
| 369 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:58:49pm |
re: #355 b_sharp
What's a pick?
I haven't used one for years. I did however, saw the tips of my fingers off so the fingernails overhang more. Quite a successful surgery, if a bit painful.
somebody posted a D Trucks/W Haynes thing last night....nice closeup of finger picking and sliding on their acoustic guitars...it's back there somewhere...Old Friends was the tune I believe
| 370 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:58:51pm |
What I don't understand about smoking --
People have been smoking something since just about the beginning of people and there are more people on the planet now than there have ever been.
I think my overall point is that people will and have always had vices --that isn't going to change.
| 371 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:58:59pm |
| 372 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:59:02pm |
re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist
Why, that sounds positively...rational?
Sure sign the Tea Partiers will turn on him, no?
| 373 |
Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:59:07pm |
If you look at this Chris Mooney article from CSI six years ago you see that things haven't changed much in the climate debate.
[Link: www.csicop.org...]
| 374 |
b_sharp Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:59:19pm |
re: #45 Ojoe
Re Guitar Technology,
Has anyone tried as an alternative to the bridge peg, a collet chuck with the string going straight in to a bell tapered hole? I.E. no kink, and a smooth transition? I bet it would get the vibrations more efficiently to the soundboard, and make less heat in the string.
Draw me a picture and I'll try to whip one off on my lathe.
| 375 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:59:24pm |
| 376 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 3:59:25pm |
re: #357 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah ok, it would be funny... except billions really will die.
more room for the rest of us....need a smoke?
| 377 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:00:22pm |
re: #366 Racer X
I agree with all that.
Channel your energy towards your representatives - like I do.
Being an insufferable asshole on the internet is more fun though.
/
| 378 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:00:31pm |
re: #362 Gus 802
It doesn't really explain what "not voting" may mean, but they're all Republicans. Abstaining is equivalent to acquiescence in this case, so this may represent a slight thaw, at least on this particular bill.
| 379 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:00:45pm |
re: #355 b_sharp
What's a pick?
I haven't used one for years. I did however, saw the tips of my fingers off so the fingernails overhang more. Quite a successful surgery, if a bit painful.
How do you do it..I've played Guitar since I was 12.. I simply can't play without a pick.. And I'm not very good...Was in a few bands as a kid..I can play any 3 chord rock song..But not without a pick...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:00:51pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
mu
um
fu
uh
nu
up
utack. That's all I can come up with right now.
are you sure about "fu"?
That's a new one for me.
us
un
xu
| 381 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:00:56pm |
re: #373 Thanos
If you look at this Chris Mooney article from CSI six years ago you see that things haven't changed much in the climate debate.
[Link: www.csicop.org...]
it will take decades to sort out who makes all the money from any reform
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:00:57pm |
re: #374 b_sharp
[Link: images.google.com...]
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:01:16pm |
re: #373 Thanos
If you look at this Chris Mooney article from CSI six years ago you see that things haven't changed much in the climate debate.
[Link: www.csicop.org...]
Piss-poor influencing skills coming from the scientists.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:01:23pm |
re: #373 Thanos
If you look at this Chris Mooney article from CSI six years ago you see that things haven't changed much in the climate debate.
[Link: www.csicop.org...]
I like this statement... "global warming has been so poorly communicated to the public at large." Well, when some people communicate in only trashy mouth ways, it's hard to hear anything but noise.
| 385 |
coscolo Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:01:23pm |
re: #50 Shiplord Kirel
Sorry to hear of your mail hassle. I have found USPS mail forwarding, holds, etc., work fine as long as I USE THE USPS ON-LINE SERVICE -- no need to ask for a form, you receive confirmation, no little pieces of cardboard to get lost. (Apologies if someone already mentioned this, but I don't have time to read the whole thread.)
| 387 |
avanti Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:01:49pm |
re: #347 albusteve
non of that means shit...you should know that by now...cherry pick some stuff off s blog few people have ever heard of then claim it's the pulse of America...gets pretty old
You can't believe that the tea party folks and and rest won't put him in the same group with Snowe and Collins now.
| 388 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:01:54pm |
fu:
Encyclopedia
fu
type of Chinese bronze vessel used as a food container, it was produced largely from the middle Zhou period (c. 900-c. 600 BC) through the Warring States period (475-221 BC). Rectangular in shape and divided into two parts, the vessel was supported by angular feet at each corner; the lid was almost a duplicate of the bottom (in principle much like the dui). In ancient documents the vessel was also referred to as hu or hulian.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:02:05pm |
re: #377 ArchangelMichael
Being an insufferable asshole on the internet is more fun though.
/
Yes, the Internet certainly needs a lot more of those. ///
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:02:07pm |
re: #378 SixDegrees
It doesn't really explain what "not voting" may mean, but they're all Republicans. Abstaining is equivalent to acquiescence in this case, so this may represent a slight thaw, at least on this particular bill.
Right. Except for Lautenberg who is in the hospital.
| 391 |
darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:02:19pm |
re: #19 HoosierHoops
I hate players that don't even need a finger pick to shred the guitar...Like Derrick Trucks
/Green with envy
Derek Trucks is the shit. That guy blows my mind when I watch him play.
| 392 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:02:34pm |
re: #379 HoosierHoops
How do you do it..I've played Guitar since I was 12.. I simply can't play without a pick.. And I'm not very good...Was in a few bands as a kid..I can play any 3 chord rock song..But not without a pick...
watch J Mayer...he uses a pick then sticks it between his fingers to finger pick, to keep it handy going back and forth....I have never seen that before
| 393 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:00pm |
re: #388 reine.de.tout
oh Lawdy! What did I get myself into?
fu?
fu?
| 394 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:29pm |
Had a deep tissue massage today. Seems my friend the piriformus muscle needed a talking to.
I am still in pain.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:34pm |
I just got hit by an epiphany!
Let's get our legislators get the crux of the matter. Everything that is passed seems to want to A: Take our money and B: Protect us from ourselves.
Let's pass a law banning death! Then, if you break the law and die, you have to pay a Death Tax...uh...wait!
//
| 396 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:39pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:46pm |
re: #393 HoosierHoops
oh Lawdy! What did I get myself into?
fu?
fu?
Indeed, Scrabble Massacre!11!!
/Good luck, buddy!
;)
| 398 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:48pm |
re: #391 darthstar
Derek Trucks is the shit. That guy blows my mind when I watch him play.
I saw him with Clapton in Chicago in 2007...
Unbelievable!
| 399 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:03:51pm |
re: #373 Thanos
Overall the dynamics haven't changed much, indeed. Today here in San Diego at the annual AAAS meeting there was a panel on climate change and the media, and in particular what is fueling the denialism. Perhaps they'll eventually get video posted.
BTW, I see today that Alex Jones' websites are all over Glenn Beck, re AGW, reportedly
“He also says there’s a legit case that global warming has, at least in part, been caused by mankind,” writes McCafferty, under the subheadline, “He believes in global warming.”
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:04:08pm |
re: #394 ggt
Had a deep tissue massage today. Seems my friend the piriformus muscle needed a talking to.
I am still in pain.
I love a deep tissue massage.
Just love it.
You will feel great tomorrow.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:05:01pm |
re: #400 reine.de.tout
I love a deep tissue massage.
Just love it.
You will feel great tomorrow.
Hope so, I'm feeling rather water-logged right now.
| 402 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:05:21pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:05:25pm |
re: #399 freetoken
Hrmm could it be that the very fabric of the kookiverse is tearing?
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:05:30pm |
re: #399 freetoken
Overall the dynamics haven't changed much, indeed. Today here in San Diego at the annual AAAS meeting there was a panel on climate change and the media, and in particular what is fueling the denialism. Perhaps they'll eventually get video posted.
BTW, I see today that Alex Jones' websites are all over Glenn Beck, re AGW, reportedly
“He believes in global warming.”
Only on Tuesdays.
/
| 405 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:05:33pm |
re: #248 albusteve
Son of Texas Plane Crash Victim Calls Attack an Act of Terror
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I can't figure out why there is debate over the label here...murder, terror, what's the difference?
If it's terrorism, we might have to go bomb somebody's ass.
| 406 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:05:42pm |
re: #383 Racer X
The fastest way to be reviled by scientists is being a good one, and them actually being good on TV. As a generalized class they need help on translating, explaining and persuading ordinary people. Look at the heat Sagan took from his peers. Or Hoyle after steady state fell.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:06:50pm |
re: #405 The Sanity Inspector
If it's terrorism, we might have to go bomb somebody's ass.
The guy was from California, and lived in Texas, so Oklahoma would be the likely target for retaliation...wait, I'm thinking in previous administration terms...never mind.
| 408 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:06:54pm |
re: #405 The Sanity Inspector
If it's terrorism, we might have to go bomb somebody's ass.
Hmm...do we really need Texas all that much anyway?
///
| 409 |
Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:07:12pm |
Honey+lemon juice+Rosemary+Chicken=Yummmm
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:07:40pm |
Wow... a bit cold in here... I just noticed, it's 12 degrees (f) outside... just put 40 pounds of pellets in the pellet stove... need to toast thing up a bit in here... and there is 2 inches of fresh snow helping to cool thing off...
| 411 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:07:47pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:07:50pm |
re: #284 reine.de.tout
I went to tools/info (upper left), and under that, I clicked "Tag Storm", and found "Massachusetts", and here is the search result:
btw WINDSAGIO
I did all that work for you and didn't even rate an upding?
(karma whore, I admit it)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:07:57pm |
re: #68 The Sanity Inspector
To think that Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning were once mentioned in the same breath, at the start of their careers.
Something like, "Hey there's Peyton Manning, and look! There's Ryan Leaf struggling under the weight of Peyton's jockstrap. He can't even carry it!
| 414 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:08:21pm |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
Wow... a bit cold in here... I just noticed, it's 12 degrees (f) outside... just put 40 pounds of pellets in the pellet stove... need to toast thing up a bit in here... and there is 2 inches of fresh snow helping to cool thing off...
SEE!! YOU ARE IN DENIAL!!
///////////////
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:08:57pm |
re: #415 Varek Raith
:-)
Merci beaucoup!
| 417 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:09:04pm |
National Geographic arrived today, and I was thinking...
If LVQ is right (I am NOT inviting myself into this argument), the National Geographics of 2025 will feature nekkid Mongolians.
(Nekkid Africans this month. National Geographic has taught more kids about anatomy than school ever did.
| 418 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:09:07pm |
re: #403 Thanos
They eat their own.
The problem is the conflict of schticks.
How much does Glenn Beck really believe what his act portrays? More, or less, then Rush Limbaugh? More or less than Alex Jones?
They all make money off of the true believers, the "marks" as they're called in the shady-business industry.
| 419 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:09:10pm |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
Wow... a bit cold in here... I just noticed, it's 12 degrees (f) outside... just put 40 pounds of pellets in the pellet stove... need to toast thing up a bit in here... and there is 2 inches of fresh snow helping to cool thing off...
'AGW whistle' that thar was.
/
| 420 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:09:18pm |
re: #412 reine.de.tout
btw WINDSAGIO
I did all that work for you and didn't even rate an upding?
(karma whore, I admit it)
I prefer to think of you as a "karma enthusiast".
| 421 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:09:35pm |
re: #414 Oh no...Sand People!
SEE!! YOU ARE IN DENIAL!!
///
Stop playing the part of a concerned troll...
//
| 422 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:09:37pm |
re: #361 Rightwingconspirator
With all due respect to the science, "Billions will die" has been heard far too many times from crackpots or long odds disaster scenarios like an asteroid strike. Sorry that's the reality in billions of minds. As a guy with a couple decades in marketing your final point is the most persuasive for most people. As an LA native, I can attest to the vastly improved quality of life in the post catalytic converter era, and with natural gas buses.
I understand entirely that crackpots cry wolf.
I ask you to consider:
1. Sometimes there is really a wolf.
2. The people crying wolf are legitimate people and not crackpots. In fact they are the same community you trust to come up with all of your technology and eveything that makes your modern world modern. They got things like the atom and the big bang and all that right, so they should be much more trustworthy than just some crackpot.
3. There is evidence of wolves all around you. You hear them howling at night. You see wolf droppings outside the village. You have sheep gone missing.
So perhaps, just maybe, rather than worrying about what people think of each other and the ones who tell you there is a wolf, you should worry about how to deal with wolves.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:05pm |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
Wow... a bit cold in here... I just noticed, it's 12 degrees (f) outside... just put 40 pounds of pellets in the pellet stove... need to toast thing up a bit in here... and there is 2 inches of fresh snow helping to cool thing off...
I told you not to move to Miami.
| 424 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:24pm |
re: #376 albusteve
So are you not talking to me or not?
Really, I would be thrilled if you fucked off.
| 425 |
Cheechako Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:28pm |
re: #318 EmmmieG
Here's a book I'd like to recommend:
My youngest son could never sit still when he was around 4 or 5. From this book we discovered many of the chemicals he was eating was causing this behavior. The worst was red dye #5 and msg. After changing his diet he was a totally different kid. Loaned to book to some friends who's kid had the same problem. They changed diets and the kid slept for a solid 18 hours and woke up with a 180 degree change.
Big switch for us was changing from peanut butter and jelly to peanut butter and honey. And to this day still likes peanut butter and honey!!
| 427 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:42pm |
re: #423 darthstar
I told you not to move to Miami.
So, he didn't.
A hell of a lot of help you were.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:43pm |
re: #417 EmmmieG
National Geographic arrived today, and I was thinking...
If LVQ is right (I am NOT inviting myself into this argument), the National Geographics of 2025 will feature nekkid Mongolians.
(Nekkid Africans this month. National Geographic has taught more kids about anatomy than school ever did.
My boys passed down their Playboy Collections....It's what boys do
| 429 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:44pm |
| 430 |
wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:10:58pm |
re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth
I prefer to think of you as a "karma enthusiast".
If she were a karma whore, she wouldn't have passed the 20,000 mark by over 2,000 before she noticed. :)
| 431 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:11:00pm |
re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth
I prefer to think of you as a "karma enthusiast".
That has a really nice ring to it.
We need to add it to our general vocabulary.
| 432 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:11:00pm |
re: #422 LudwigVanQuixote
I understand entirely that crackpots cry wolf.
I ask you to consider:
1. Sometimes there is really a wolf.
2. The people crying wolf are legitimate people and not crackpots. In fact they are the same community you trust to come up with all of your technology and eveything that makes your modern world modern. They got things like the atom and the big bang and all that right, so they should be much more trustworthy than just some crackpot.
3. There is evidence of wolves all around you. You hear them howling at night. You see wolf droppings outside the village. You have sheep gone missing.
So perhaps, just maybe, rather than worrying about what people think of each other and the ones who tell you there is a wolf, you should worry about how to deal with wolves.
"The sky is falling warming! The sky is falling warming!"
/Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
| 433 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:11:38pm |
re: #424 LudwigVanQuixote
So are you not talking to me or not?
Really, I would be thrilled if you fucked off.
no you wouldn't....liar
| 434 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:12:54pm |
re: #431 reine.de.tout
I think it describes you better than "karma whore". Fat Bastard is still a "ding whore", though.
{FBV}
| 435 |
Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:13:06pm |
re: #418 freetoken
They eat their own.
The problem is the conflict of schticks.
How much does Glenn Beck really believe what his act portrays? More, or less, then Rush Limbaugh? More or less than Alex Jones?
They all make money off of the true believers, the "marks" as they're called in the shady-business industry.
When you look at Beck you have to say “There but for the grace of a bigger microphone and a bit of polish goes Alex Jones…”
| 437 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:13:27pm |
re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it describes you better than "karma whore". Fat Bastard is still a "ding whore", though.
{FBV}
Where is FBV?
| 438 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:13:53pm |
| 439 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:14:16pm |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
I like this statement... "global warming has been so poorly communicated to the public at large." Well, when some people communicate in only trashy mouth ways, it's hard to hear anything but noise.
Largely because you are the one making the noise.
I know you would love to make this all about how mean I am to poor little old you.
I am so mean to you because you are habitually dishonest about important matters that really will cost lives.
I am so mean to you because all past attempts to reason with you, show you actual data and actual science, have been met with stupidity and willful blindness.
You are not one to educate. You made it clear you do not wish to learn. You wish to shoot off your moth in a vain attempt to seem important about things which you know nothing of and refuse to learn.
That is why you deserve to be spoken to as you are.
It is because you are a fully dishonest and frankly not very bright interlocutor whose BS is actually dangerous.
| 440 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:14:36pm |
re: #437 reine.de.tout
Where is FBV?
You mean he's not here? Damnit, I wasted a perfectly good dig on the guy, and he's not even here to see it. :(
| 441 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:15:07pm |
| 442 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:15:11pm |
re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it describes you better than "karma whore". Fat Bastard is still a "ding whore", though.
{FBV}
It's only because Charles put a trillion updings into my account...I try to use them all up...But it's like the US Treasury..Plenty to go around
| 443 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:15:21pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:15:45pm |
re: #407 darthstar
The guy was from California, and lived in Texas, so Oklahoma would be the likely target for retaliation...wait, I'm thinking in previous administration terms...never mind.
It's amazing how many different factions are either adopting this loon, or using him as a stick to whip up on the other side.
| 445 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:15:49pm |
Well, I gotta bail off this thread. Later all.
| 446 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:16:18pm |
re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it describes you better than "karma whore". Fat Bastard is still a "ding whore", though.
{FBV}
DING!
| 447 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:16:41pm |
re: #444 The Sanity Inspector
It's amazing how many different factions are either adopting this loon, or using him as a stick to whip up on the other side.
AmIdol politics....
| 448 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:16:51pm |
re: #366 Racer X
I agree with all that.
Channel your energy towards your representatives - like I do.
The representatives are bought by political concerns.
The GOP is wholly signed sealed and delivered and the Dems care more for their own political gain than facing the issue.
The only way it gets changed is if the people of America understand the threat.
| 449 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:17:02pm |
re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
DING!
There you are!
Steve said you were at the bakery.
Whatcha got for dessert?
| 450 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:17:46pm |
re: #440 Slumbering Behemoth
You mean he's not here? Damnit, I wasted a perfectly good dig on the guy, and he's not even here to see it. :(
I have to go drinking with the boys from work.
Later, taters.
| 451 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:18:49pm |
re: #449 reine.de.tout
There you are!
Steve said you were at the bakery.
Whatcha got for dessert?
Now I'm hungry!
A dutch apple pie with ice cream micro'd for 15 seconds..
/Help me lord..help me
| 452 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:20:47pm |
re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You are here! Excellent, I hate to see a good dig go to waste. BTW, I do believe I've spotted some of your mischievous handy-work.
| 453 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:21:28pm |
re: #448 LudwigVanQuixote
The representatives are bought by political concerns.
The GOP is wholly signed sealed and delivered and the Dems care more for their own political gain than facing the issue.
The only way it gets changed is if the people of America understand the threat.
To let politics become a cesspool, and then avoid it because it is a cesspool, is a double crime.
-- Howard Crosby
| 454 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:21:33pm |
The Knives Come Out: Far Right Attacks Brown as ‘Too Liberal’ a Month After Win
By SKEETER SANDERS
Did hard-line social conservatives — those who believe that women have no right to reproductive choice and that gays and lesbians are "the scum of the Earth" who have no right to marry — really expect the voters of Massachusetts to actually vote in as their next U.S. senator a person who shares the hard-liners’ vehement anti-choice and anti-gay views?
Get real. This is Massachusetts — which, along with Vermont, is not only one of the most deep-blue states in the nation, but also the most socially liberal...
| 455 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:21:36pm |
re: #448 LudwigVanQuixote
The representatives are bought by political concerns.
The GOP is wholly signed sealed and delivered and the Dems care more for their own political gain than facing the issue.
The only way it gets changed is if the people of America understand the threat.
I suspect the root of your newest zealotry and anger stems from the fact that AGW is crashing because scientist have not been able to withstand the onslaught of deniers, especially in view of the mistakes that are coming to light...if you do not control yourself you may be in a straight jacket pretty soon...you now have an uphill PR battle to win, and you are not helping your cause...I think you wildly underestimate the number of people here that give a crap what you have to say anymore....if you truely want to do AGW a favor then shut up
| 456 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:21:40pm |
re: #424 LudwigVanQuixote
I guess you are just going to ignore making this dishonest statement.
I assure you that the Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real, catastrophic and man caused, just like the APS does, is not questioning the science or the scientists.
Funny how when you bring up "questions" that the Royal society has, you do not mention that. It would be minimally honest if you did.
I did mention that "Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real" at least 4 times that I can find over the last seven days.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
This is what I have been asking for all along... and inquiry into the process, procedure and policy of the scientist at CRU (and the IPCC), not a witch hunt spearheaded by deniers.
The University of East Anglia announced on Thursday that it would conduct an "independent, external reappraisal of the science" used in the publications produced by its world-renowned Climatic Research Unit.
Sir Muir said the results of his inquiry would be published but warned that it would not ''audit the [unit's] scientific conclusions", only the scientists' behaviour and how they followed data procedures.
And this inquiry has been asked for and orchestrated by the CRU and East Anglia University itself.
How did you miss all these post? Now, say you are sorry and we'll make up all kiss-face and everything.
| 457 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:22:16pm |
| 458 |
wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:22:30pm |
Perhaps this comment should be appended to all threads that go over, say, 350 comments or so.
| 461 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:23:11pm |
re: #417 EmmmieG
National Geographic arrived today, and I was thinking...
If LVQ is right (I am NOT inviting myself into this argument), the National Geographics of 2025 will feature nekkid Mongolians.
(Nekkid Africans this month. National Geographic has taught more kids about anatomy than school ever did.
Actually no. The Mongolians are not terribly loved by the Russians of the Chinese and their land will turn to desert and collapse their food supplies.
They will have no place to go and no one will take them.
You will have dead Mongolians. Though given the Russian army's propensity to rape, some of them will be naked before they were killed.
| 462 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:24:23pm |
re: #454 Gus 802
And President Obama is praising the "bi-partisan" bill and thanking the Repubs who voted for it.
It will be interesting to see how all of this gets digested over the next 48 hours, at the usual sites.
| 463 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:24:25pm |
re: #459 Slumbering Behemoth
Honeymoon is over?
Hard to tell just yet. Lots of rumbling building up over today's vote. Drudge has a headline up "BROWN VOTES FOR 'JOBS BILL'; JOINS DEM MAJORITY" with a red hued portrait of Scott Brown.
| 464 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:25:16pm |
Oh Lord it's hard to be humble...
| 465 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:25:57pm |
re: #459 Slumbering Behemoth
Honeymoon is over?
Well, I need a job again, so, let's see how well the left can help. I'm not at the thrift store as of today, and the programming jobs have been sparse over the last 5 years, so, I'm ready for anything.
Want to bet nothing happens on the Jobs Bill front that I make us of?
| 466 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:26:20pm |
re: #462 freetoken
And President Obama is praising the "bi-partisan" bill and thanking the Repubs who voted for it.
It will be interesting to see how all of this gets digested over the next 48 hours, at the usual sites.
Partially bi-partisan. As the roll call indicated the GOP voted overwhelmingly against the cloture vote.
| 467 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:26:20pm |
re: #458 wrenchwench
Perhaps this comment should be appended to all threads that go over, say, 350 comments or so.
Amen Sister..
Did I tell you how cool my new 21 speed Fuji Mountain bike is?
It's pisser wicked or something...Black trimmed in white.. Nice bike wrench!
| 468 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:26:49pm |
re: #465 Walter L. Newton
What happened with the thrift store?
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:26:53pm |
re: #412 reine.de.tout
Sorry, fixed, thought I dinged ya :)
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:26:58pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:27:04pm |
re: #462 freetoken
And President Obama is praising the "bi-partisan" bill and thanking the Repubs who voted for it.
It will be interesting to see how all of this gets digested over the next 48 hours, at the usual sites.
As of this morning, I am out of work again. I don't give two shits how anyone spins this. The proof in it's effectiveness will be in whether anything in the bill could even be some help in getting work in my profession.
We'll see.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:27:11pm |
re: #456 Walter L. Newton
The University of East Anglia announced on Thursday that it would conduct an "independent, external reappraisal of the science"
...
Sir Muir said the results of his inquiry would be published but warned that it would not ''audit the [unit's] scientific conclusions"
Those two sentences contradict each other. Would you mind giving the entire context instead of paraphrasing?
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:28:06pm |
re: #461 LudwigVanQuixote
Dunno where you have been -- but Mongolia has been desert a long time. Google "Gobi"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:28:39pm |
From Mark Levin's Facebook page:
"I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded...."
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:28:40pm |
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:28:48pm |
re: #467 HoosierHoops
Amen Sister..
Did I tell you how cool my new 21 speed Fuji Mountain bike is?
It's pisser wicked or something...Black trimmed in white.. Nice bike wrench!
Nice! What's the name of the model? Is it big enough for you? (I figured with that nic you must be at least 6'4").
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:29:06pm |
re: #448 LudwigVanQuixote
The representatives are bought by political concerns.
The GOP is wholly signed sealed and delivered and the Dems care more for their own political gain than facing the issue.
The only way it gets changed is if the people of America understand the threat.
Then we are totally screwed.
Party on Garth!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:29:10pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:29:17pm |
re: #455 albusteve
NO not at all.
I am so zealous because people will die. That includes people who I love much more than myself. I am so zealous because I actually am a scientist and I read teh actual paers and I look at the actual data and I know the truth.
The truth is one of people dying.
The truth is truly that America as we know it collapses.
I am so zealous because of the stupidity of it all.
We actually have the power to avoid it. We actually have the technology to avoid it. We would even make billions of dollars and stregnthen our economy if we did it right.
We would end certain age old evils in the Mid East and Africa too if we did so.
However, the deniers are either those who know these things, but have such a death grip on the economy that they do not care - that would be the fossil fuel industry and their pet politicians - or they are the unthinking products of propaganda that has allowed them to believe utterly stupid things.
I wrote earlier that the basics of AGW are simple.
If you put vast amounts of gas into the atmosphere that traps more of the sun's heat you will get hotter.
What is hard to understand.
I am so zealous not just for the deaths of billions and the loss of so many things I truly love, like America, but because it is all for such stupid, stupid thinking.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:30:06pm |
re: #471 Walter L. Newton
As of this morning, I am out of work again. I don't give two shits how anyone spins this. The proof in it's effectiveness will be in whether anything in the bill could even be some help in getting work in my profession.
We'll see.
I'm stupified as to how federal tax dollars are better for creating jobs than real private money...a glaring difference in opinion I guess...I just don't trust BO and the feds to get it right...they haven't so far imo
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:30:20pm |
re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth
What happened with the thrift store?
Loved the actual work, loved the people I was working with (except one, scary nut case) and I even love the overly physical nature of the job, but it's my fault, I quit. There was a status quo with the way management managed (or actual lack of management) and I was to much of a go-getter, let's make things as good as we can sort of employee.
Well, I didn't realize that wanting to do better than anyone ever did in that used furniture department meant that I was going to butt heads with the store manager.
Even the district manager was praising my work, I think that didn't help.
So I left.
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:30:23pm |
re: #479 Stanley Sea
Saw in those tweets that Cheney has been hospitalized with chest pains.
Was somebody trying to crack a joke? Don't see anything in the news about that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:30:41pm |
Watched part of "80 Acres of Hell" last night. It's a History channel production about the Civil War Northern POW camp Fort Douglas in Chicago. Suprisingly, hubby and I had never heard of it.
Some could draw interesting comparisons with today's situation. Not really comparable with today's communications, but some scary shit.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:31:02pm |
re: #467 HoosierHoops
Amen Sister..
Did I tell you how cool my new 21 speed Fuji Mountain bike is?
It's pisser wicked or something...Black trimmed in white.. Nice bike wrench!
fuji ka choo
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:31:07pm |
re: #474 Thanos
Dunno where you have been -- but Mongolia has been desert a long time. Google "Gobi"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Lol I know very well about the Gobi desert.
Now while you are at it, you can google about the Mongolian grasslands and the way they migrate.
You can see how their entire culture is based on that. Then you can look at what happens when those grasslands go away.
Seriously Thanos, I am shocked you would challenge me in that way.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:31:22pm |
re: #479 Stanley Sea
Saw in those tweets that Cheney has been hospitalized with chest pains.
Nothing on the wires that I can find.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:31:49pm |
re: #472 Obdicut
Those two sentences contradict each other. Would you mind giving the entire context instead of paraphrasing?
Nothing is out of context... read the whole article...
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:31:55pm |
re: #484 ggt
Watched part of "80 Acres of Hell" last night. It's a History channel production about the Civil War Northern POW camp Fort Douglas in Chicago. Suprisingly, hubby and I had never heard of it.
Some could draw interesting comparisons with today's situation. Not really comparable with today's communications, but some scary shit.
I watched the entire thing last night...saw part of it a few years ago but did not understand the whole story...some real dirt in there
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:32:04pm |
re: #475 Taqyia2Me
I'm not a fan of his, but good on him for that. I'd give his facebook page an up-ding for that if I could.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:32:08pm |
re: #474 Thanos
Dunno where you have been -- but Mongolia has been desert a long time. Google "Gobi"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Mongolians have a history of making out just fine.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:32:44pm |
re: #487 darthstar
Nothing on the wires that I can find.
Just heard it on the newsradio. His daughter canceled a GOP dinner to go to the hospital.
Fingers crossed for the old guy.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:32:44pm |
re: #475 Taqyia2Me
He needs to say that louder (the man knows how to be loud and annoying when he wants to be). It needs to be said on his radio show. He needs to say it when he goes on the D-Bag Vannity's show. A single Facebook wall post is the equivalent of "feel good/do nothing".
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:32:51pm |
re: #482 Walter L. Newton
Got any tales about the scary nut case?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:33:06pm |
re: #475 Taqyia2Me
From Mark Levin's Facebook page:
"I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded..."
Bill Buckly dead less than (?) a year and they've moved right back in.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:33:25pm |
Doctors at George Washington University Hospital say Dick Cheney is stable; former VP had an angiogram, may have treatment tomorrow - NBC
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:33:30pm |
re: #422 LudwigVanQuixote
I get it. I agree we need to make the changes. We might disagree on how to persuade people to act accordingly, even if it is a craven appeal to their selfishness of quality of life rather than the real urgency.
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:34:01pm |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:34:10pm |
re: #494 LudwigVanQuixote
And one other thing. Fuck you asshole.
have you ever considered anger management?
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:34:11pm |
re: #467 HoosierHoops
Amen Sister..
Did I tell you how cool my new 21 speed Fuji Mountain bike is?
It's pisser wicked or something...Black trimmed in white.. Nice bike wrench!
Nice!
I got an old Specialized from about 25 years ago. No suspension or nuthin'. Went for a ride a few weeks ago and damn near had a heart attack. I love it though - can't wait to go out again.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:34:44pm |
re: #431 reine.de.tout
Heh. The Dali Lama has us all beat on that one.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:35:02pm |
re: #486 LudwigVanQuixote
Seriously Thanos, I am shocked you would challenge me in that way.
No matter how strongly you feel about the issue, there is no benefit to anyone from you taking things personally. Least of all yourself, I would think. Or maybe least of all to the cause you hold so dear.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:35:11pm |
re: #477 wrenchwench
Nice! What's the name of the model? Is it big enough for you? (I figured with that nic you must be at least 6'4").
It is a Fuji 21 speed mountain bike
Odessa 1.0
19" M
26" Wheel
Gloss Black( Wicked)
Premco
Philly, USA
MADE IN (frigging) CHINA!
Why did I read the tag?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:35:38pm |
re: #498 Rightwingconspirator
I get it. I agree we need to make the changes. We might disagree on how to persuade people to act accordingly, even if it is a craven appeal to their selfishness of quality of life rather than the real urgency.
And please don't think that I am discounting your valid comment.
I get that people are people and that they will think of themselves and their own short term greed first.
Real solutions do need to appeal to that.
It's a pity though because realizing that makes me question if we are worth saving.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:35:49pm |
re: #486 LudwigVanQuixote
Why are you shocked? It's a fact. Those grasslands used to be forest prior, and those grasslands are still classifiable as "desert" just as most of Alaska is (excluding the SW)
Just trying to inject some facts here. The changes induced by AGW could improve the Mongolians lot, while worsening other outcomes elsewhere. There's not a real way to predict that, that's one of the failures in communicating the problem of AGW.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:36:01pm |
re: #493 ArchangelMichael
I had not even known he was originally slated for CPAC.
(but I would plead we reserve the 'd-bag' moniker for those on the far left, you know, opposite of tea-baggers...)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:36:18pm |
re: #500 albusteve
have you ever considered anger management?
So seriously are you not talking to me or not? LOL
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:36:53pm |
re: #488 Walter L. Newton
Walter, when sentences are truncated and without context, they are out of context.
I see that the article is the one that truncated them, and not you. However, they are still out of context quotes, and the quotes are still contradictory. One says they won't examine the science, the other one says they will.
Given that CRU data has already been validated in a mindboggling assortment of ways, it's a pretty moot point from the point of the science of AGW.
The PR aspect of it is only an issue because some people still continue to harp on about the scientists 'unprofessionalism', and doing things like pointing to investigations as if they are proof of actual problems.
If I had any confidence that those trumpeting these investigations would be honest enough to, say, also mention that Mann was cleared on all accusations that have finished investigation, with one still being investigated, I'd take this concern more seriously.
As it is, those who continually talk about the 'problems' at CRU-- even though the science has been externally validated over and over-- are, whether or not it is their desire, doing exactly what the deniers want them to.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:37:02pm |
re: #506 Thanos
Why are you shocked? It's a fact. Those grasslands used to be forest prior, and those grasslands are still classifiable as "desert" just as most of Alaska is (excluding the SW)
Just trying to inject some facts here. The changes induced by AGW could improve the Mongolians lot, while worsening other outcomes elsewhere. There's not a real way to predict that, that's one of the failures in communicating the problem of AGW.
Right, except that the predictions are the grasslands going away. That is a lose for them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:37:06pm |
re: #482 Walter L. Newton
Man Walter, that totally sucks, sorry to hear that. I've had a few temp jobs like that, and it's a crappy position to be in, deciding to leave (or losing) a job because the management resents and fears your work ethic.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:37:52pm |
re: #504 HoosierHoops
Almost all bikes on the planet are made in the People's Republic these days. It's unavoidable, unless you get something from a small frame builder. For a lot more money.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:38:08pm |
re: #495 MandyManners
Got any tales about the scary nut case?
Two. The first week I was there, he asked me why I parked in his parking spot. We have no assigned parking, it's a fucking shopping center. Two weeks later, he say it was someone else, three weeks later he wanted to make sure I understood he had his own parking space. I never even found out which one was "his" parking space.
And this past Sat. I found him at my workstation, where I clean up and get small appliances and electronics ready for the floor, found him picking up my coffee cup, looking into it and so forth. There are two dozen identical cups around the warehouse.
He said he was looking for HIS cup. I asked him how would he know that the cup on my desk was his. He said "because I put a paper towel in it each night when I am done."
Of course, my cup had coffee in it and it hasn't left my workstation for two months, I don't even wash it.
I told the store manager that he was fooling around with my coffee cup. Manager saw nothing wrong with that.
That's kind of shit.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:38:21pm |
re: #510 LudwigVanQuixote
Btw: meant the SE in Ak, not the SW
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:38:55pm |
re: #506 Thanos
The Mongolians will get fucked. Count on it.
The Chinese hate them, the Russians hate them, the Indians have no sympathy for them, and they're poor as hell.
Any severe turmoil in the world will almost certainly play out as Ludwig has said. The Mongols will get fucked over.
AGW is going to hit the poorest and the weakest nations the hardest. They don't have the resources to cope. We'll do much better.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:39:06pm |
re: #508 LudwigVanQuixote
So seriously are you not talking to me or not? LOL
I'm trying to help you out, google it...I never said I would not address you
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:39:09pm |
re: #510 LudwigVanQuixote
Right, except that the predictions are the grasslands going away. That is a lose for them.
Got a link to a paper on that? I am seriously curious
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:39:29pm |
re: #512 wrenchwench
Almost all bikes on the planet are made in the People's Republic these days. It's unavoidable, unless you get something from a small frame builder. For a lot more money.
All your bicycles are belong to us!
/The Chinese will confiscate our bicycles through eminent domain!!111!1
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:39:45pm |
re: #512 wrenchwench
Almost all bikes on the planet are made in the People's Republic these days. It's unavoidable, unless you get something from a small frame builder. For a lot more money.
I still tool around on one of these babies (I used to import them):
[Link: stores.morganimports.com...]
Not my company, and I;m not in any way affiliated with them.
It weighs probably about 50 lbs altogether, is single-speed, and has rod-brakes.
A truly wondrous machine, in many ways.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:39:51pm |
Walter-
Hope your next gig is like tomorrow and in your forte!
I'm rooting for you.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:40:47pm |
re: #513 Walter L. Newton
Two. The first week I was there, he asked me why I parked in his parking spot. We have no assigned parking, it's a fucking shopping center. Two weeks later, he say it was someone else, three weeks later he wanted to make sure I understood he had his own parking space. I never even found out which one was "his" parking space.
And this past Sat. I found him at my workstation, where I clean up and get small appliances and electronics ready for the floor, found him picking up my coffee cup, looking into it and so forth. There are two dozen identical cups around the warehouse.
He said he was looking for HIS cup. I asked him how would he know that the cup on my desk was his. He said "because I put a paper towel in it each night when I am done."
Of course, my cup had coffee in it and it hasn't left my workstation for two months, I don't even wash it.
I told the store manager that he was fooling around with my coffee cup. Manager saw nothing wrong with that.
That's kind of shit.
Yikes! That'd creep me out.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:40:47pm |
re: #512 wrenchwench
Almost all bikes on the planet are made in the People's Republic these days. It's unavoidable, unless you get something from a small frame builder. For a lot more money.
It was a gift from my company.. Yes we know we are sending you to Asia for 3 years...here have a bike..We'll even ship it free to you in Singapore..
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:41:14pm |
re: #517 Thanos
Got a link to a paper on that? I am seriously curious
Hang on...
I'll look. I have not seen a Mongolian forecast in specific. I have seen Asia forecasts though.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:41:34pm |
re: #509 Obdicut
Why are you pissed off at Walter just because the IPCC are prepared to shoot the messengers but have ruled in advance not to question the message?
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:41:35pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:41:37pm |
re: #516 albusteve
I'm trying to help you out, google it...I never said I would not address you
Ok, then fuck you, asshole.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:41:49pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:41:52pm |
Stuffs needs doings. Later Lizards.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:42:00pm |
I gotta go,
Have a great evening all!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:42:07pm |
re: #509 Obdicut
Walter, when sentences are truncated and without context, they are out of context.
I see that the article is the one that truncated them, and not you. However, they are still out of context quotes, and the quotes are still contradictory. One says they won't examine the science, the other one says they will.
Given that CRU data has already been validated in a mindboggling assortment of ways, it's a pretty moot point from the point of the science of AGW.
The PR aspect of it is only an issue because some people still continue to harp on about the scientists 'unprofessionalism', and doing things like pointing to investigations as if they are proof of actual problems.
If I had any confidence that those trumpeting these investigations would be honest enough to, say, also mention that Mann was cleared on all accusations that have finished investigation, with one still being investigated, I'd take this concern more seriously.
As it is, those who continually talk about the 'problems' at CRU-- even though the science has been externally validated over and over-- are, whether or not it is their desire, doing exactly what the deniers want them to.
I didn't write the article, I didn't quote anything out of context, if you don't like the article, that's not my fault. And it is fact, the Royal Society is investigating.
And the British MET office is opening a THREE YEAR INVESTIGATION on the CRU data.
If you have problems with that, then address those who are doing the investigations, not me, I'm just the messenger.
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:42:40pm |
re: #523 LudwigVanQuixote
One can check the ClimateWizard for a compilation of the outputs of a set of models and a set of scenarios included in the last IPCC report:
[Link: www.climatewizard.org...]
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:42:50pm |
re: #524 Spare O'Lake
Why are you pissed off at Walter just because the IPCC are prepared to shoot the messengers but have ruled in advance not to question the message?
I have absolutely no idea what you meant by that sentence, or what it has to do with what I was talking about.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:43:35pm |
re: #519 Guanxi88
I still tool around on one of these babies (I used to import them):
[Link: stores.morganimports.com...]
Not my company, and I;m not in any way affiliated with them.
It weighs probably about 50 lbs altogether, is single-speed, and has rod-brakes.
A truly wondrous machine, in many ways.
I knew a guy in Portland, OR who ordered himself one of those. Had to assemble everything, including the wheels. Heehee.
| 535 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:43:59pm |
re: #531 freetoken
One can check the ClimateWizard for a compilation of the outputs of a set of models and a set of scenarios included in the last IPCC report:
[Link: www.climatewizard.org...]
Oh that is a great site. I am specifically remembering an Asian forecast paper though.
I will have to look for it.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:44:30pm |
re: #526 LudwigVanQuixote
Ok, then fuck you, asshole.
I could find some links for you, if you want...I don't know why you talk like that but there is a way to resolve the problem
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:44:47pm |
re: #530 Walter L. Newton
From the article you quoted, I can't tell what they're actually investigating, given that the quotes from it are contradictory.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:45:08pm |
re: #523 LudwigVanQuixote
Hang on...
I'll look. I have not seen a Mongolian forecast in specific. I have seen Asia forecasts though.
Everything I'm finding on the diminishing grasslands in Mongolia has to do with urbanization, farming, and mining, not AGW... still looking
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:45:25pm |
re: #520 Taqyia2Me
Walter-
Hope your next gig is like tomorrow and in your forte!
I'm rooting for you.
Thanks... something will come up in my profession or I'll find some other new thing to do. That's what makes life so much fun. There is nothing stopping you from doing almost anything you want, or at least trying to have a good time doing something.
I don't understand some people who are angry and pissed all the time. It's not me and it hurts a lot to see people so mad at everything.
The world is for you to take, seize, mold it and fuck with it, have fun.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:46:18pm |
re: #537 albusteve
I could find some links for you, if you want...I don't know why you talk like that but there is a way to resolve the problem
You see this is why you get the derision you deserve. Don't think you aren't being insulting or that the games you play with me take away from all the death and destruction I am talking about.
Right?
There are serious issues that grown ups need to deal with, and I am being heckled by the class clowns.
How charming.
So now that you are done, seriously fuck off. You are contributing nothing.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:46:37pm |
re: #534 wrenchwench
I knew a guy in Portland, OR who ordered himself one of those. Had to assemble everything, including the wheels. Heehee.
Yeah, there's a couple ways to bring 'em in. His was probably 100% KD (knock-down). I brought mine in where all ya needed was to put on the wheels, adjust the brakes, fill the chaincase with oil, make sure your affairs are in order, and pedal off on the beast.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:47:37pm |
re: #534 wrenchwench
I knew a guy in Portland, OR who ordered himself one of those. Had to assemble everything, including the wheels. Heehee.
spokes and all?...doesn't that require special tool?....and about your post upthread about frames...what about brakes and derailleurs etc? are they made in America?
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:47:47pm |
re: #539 Thanos
Everything I'm finding on the diminishing grasslands in Mongolia has to do with urbanization, farming, and mining, not AGW... still looking
Overgrazing seems to be near the top of the list.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:47:47pm |
re: #542 Guanxi88
Yeah, there's a couple ways to bring 'em in. His was probably 100% KD (knock-down). I brought mine in where all ya needed was to put on the wheels, adjust the brakes, fill the chaincase with oil, make sure your affairs are in order, and pedal off on the beast.
A real man doesn't use a chain guard
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:48:03pm |
re: #538 Obdicut
From the article you quoted, I can't tell what they're actually investigating, given that the quotes from it are contradictory.
Well, I bet you can google and find more detail if you wanted to. I found a press release on the CRU web site about the investigation. Think that would be a good place to start?
Here...
[Link: www.uea.ac.uk...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:48:20pm |
re: #539 Thanos
Everything I'm finding on the diminishing grasslands in Mongolia has to do with urbanization, farming, and mining, not AGW... still looking
[Link: www.sciencedirect.com...]
Here you go.
Abstract:
By 2025, it is estimated that around 5 billion people, out of a total population of around 8 billion, will be living in countries experiencing water stress (using more than 20% of their available resources). Climate change has the potential to impose additional pressures in some regions. This paper describes an assessment of the implications of climate change for global hydrological regimes and water resources. It uses climate change scenarios developed from Hadley Centre climate simulations (HadCM2 and HadCM3), and simulates global river flows at a spatial resolution of 0.5×0.5° using a macro-scale hydrological model. Changes in national water resources are calculated, including both internally generated runoff and upstream imports, and compared with national water use estimates developed for the United Nations Comprehensive Assessment of the Freshwater Resources of the World. Although there is variation between scenarios, the results suggest that average annual runoff will increase in high latitudes, in equatorial Africa and Asia, and southeast Asia, and will decrease in mid-latitudes and most subtropical regions. The HadCM3 scenario produces changes in runoff which are often similar to those from the HadCM2 scenarios — but there are important regional differences. The rise in temperature associated with climate change leads to a general reduction in the proportion of precipitation falling as snow, and a consequent reduction in many areas in the duration of snow cover. This has implications for the timing of streamflow in such regions, with a shift from spring snow melt to winter runoff. Under the HadCM2 ensemble mean scenario, the number of people living in countries with water stress would increase by 53 million by 2025 (relative to those who would be affected in the absence of climate change). Under the HadCM3 scenario, the number of people living in countries with water stress would rise by 113 million. However, by 2050 there would be a net reduction in populations in stressed countries under HadCM2 (of around 69 million), but an increase of 56 million under HadCM3. The study also showed that different indications of the impact of climate change on water resource stresses could be obtained using different projections of future water use. The paper emphasises the large range between estimates of “impact”, and also discusses the problems associated with the scale of analysis and the definition of indices of water resource impact.
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:48:21pm |
re: #539 Thanos
Summarizing off the top of my head, of everything I've seen looking at projections for the end of the century, there is a rather significant difference between the Western half and the Eastern half of the Eurasian super-continent.
If anything, I'd say that Mongolia has more to fear from millions of displaced Chinese than they do from AGW physical effects, per se.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:49:11pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:49:51pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:49:51pm |
re: #545 HoosierHoops
A real man doesn't use a chain guard
The flying pigeon - like a lot of older Asian roadsters - has the chain and really the entire drive assembly, encased. Ya pours some used motor oil in there till it don't scrape or drag, and you're good to go.
Best thing about that bike is it's almost IMPOSSIBLE for some to just jump on and ride off. It's a VERY tall bike, and it's handling characteristics are roughly comparable to driving a Cadillac with four flat wheels backwards through Jello.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:50:04pm |
re: #546 Walter L. Newton
Well, I bet you can google and find more detail if you wanted to. I found a press release on the CRU web site about the investigation. Think that would be a good place to start?
Here...
[Link: www.uea.ac.uk...]
And Ludwig... don't snap at me for posting a press release from CRU about the Royal Society and it's investigation. The press release is from CRU, not me, not anyone else.
1. Examine the hacked e-mail exchanges, other relevant e-mail exchanges and any other information held at CRU to determine whether there is any evidence of the manipulation or suppression of data which is at odds with acceptable scientific practice and may therefore call into question any of the research outcomes.
2. Review CRU’s policies and practices for acquiring, assembling, subjecting to peer review and disseminating data and research findings, and their compliance or otherwise with best scientific practice.
3. Review CRU’s compliance or otherwise with the University’s policies and practices regarding requests under the Freedom of Information Act (‘the FOIA’) and the Environmental Information Regulations (‘the EIR’) for the release of data.
4. Review and make recommendations as to the appropriate management, governance and security structures for CRU and the security, integrity and release of the data it holds.
[Link: www.uea.ac.uk...]
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:50:38pm |
re: #541 LudwigVanQuixote
You see this is why you get the derision you deserve. Don't think you aren't being insulting or that the games you play with me take away from all the death and destruction I am talking about.
Right?
There are serious issues that grown ups need to deal with, and I am being heckled by the class clowns.
How charming.
So now that you are done, seriously fuck off. You are contributing nothing.
I'm not worried about death and destruction....was just trying to help out
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:50:58pm |
The plains of Mongolia and the American SW have always been interesting to me because of the high mountain formations that affect the weather on a large scale (look at South side of Sandia peak vs the North for the graphic example of how)
When AGW kicks in you can assume that patterns will shift, but it's not going to be an even shift -- some flows and areas might actually improve while most others get worse.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:51:00pm |
re: #482 Walter L. Newton
Loved the actual work, loved the people I was working with (except one, scary nut case) and I even love the overly physical nature of the job, but it's my fault, I quit. There was a status quo with the way management managed (or actual lack of management) and I was to much of a go-getter, let's make things as good as we can sort of employee.
Well, I didn't realize that wanting to do better than anyone ever did in that used furniture department meant that I was going to butt heads with the store manager.
Even the district manager was praising my work, I think that didn't help.
So I left.
Sorry to hear this. Sounds like it was one of those situations where doing a good job was like pissing yoursself in a dark suit. You get a warm feeling, but no one notices.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:51:22pm |
re: #548 freetoken
Summarizing off the top of my head, of everything I've seen looking at projections for the end of the century, there is a rather significant difference between the Western half and the Eastern half of the Eurasian super-continent.
If anything, I'd say that Mongolia has more to fear from millions of displaced Chinese than they do from AGW physical effects, per se.
Well that is an interesting point. Everything I have seen has the Gobi getting a lot larger and creating a difficult to inhabit region (to say the least) between Russia and China.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:51:48pm |
re: #543 albusteve
spokes and all?...doesn't that require special tool?...and about your post upthread about frames...what about brakes and derailleurs etc? are they made in America?
Yep, special tool, special knowledge, lots of practice (on other people's wheels, preferably). There are some very high-end parts made in the US. Brakes yes; derailers, no; chains, no; tires, no; wheels, yes.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:51:51pm |
re: #553 albusteve
I'm not worried about death and destruction...was just trying to help out
Worthless.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:53:36pm |
re: #548 freetoken
Now that level of detail is exactly where I do not trust the predictions. I'm not denying the overall, but detailed forecasting of how the weather will shake out in a changed climate is far more subject to question. I say this with a sense that we are going to uncharted waters, and the detailed feedback mechanisms are not all that predictable. If a forecast like grassland thing is off 25 degrees latitude, you are effecting a different population.
Add partial or wholehearted climate modification efforts and you really go off the charts.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:53:41pm |
re: #545 HoosierHoops
A real man doesn't use a chain guard
But does a real man get a basket for Winston?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:53:57pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:54:01pm |
re: #552 Walter L. Newton
Walter, you made you bed. Lay in it and shut up.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:54:35pm |
Well, I'm out. Looks like we have another Cloud of Ink defense in the making.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:55:05pm |
re: #538 Obdicut
So.. Obdicut... how is that press release from CRU about the investigation of the unit by the Royal Society working out for you? You got the information you need?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:56:28pm |
re: #559 Rightwingconspirator
Now that level of detail is exactly where I do not trust the predictions. I'm not denying the overall, but detailed forecasting of how the weather will shake out in a changed climate is far more subject to question. I say this with a sense that we are going to uncharted waters, and the detailed feedback mechanisms are not all that predictable. If a forecast like grassland thing is off 25 degrees latitude, you are effecting a different population.
Add partial or wholehearted climate modification efforts and you really go off the charts.
Actually seriously, break it down to simple things like the amount of water people need.
[Link: www.sciencedirect.com...]
The journal paper I posted should scare the shit out of you. Notice the years they are talking about. 2025.
By 2025, it is estimated that around 5 billion people, out of a total population of around 8 billion, will be living in countries experiencing water stress (using more than 20% of their available resources). Climate change has the potential to impose additional pressures in some regions. This paper describes an assessment of the implications of climate change for global hydrological regimes and water resources. It uses climate change scenarios developed from Hadley Centre climate simulations (HadCM2 and HadCM3), and simulates global river flows at a spatial resolution of 0.5×0.5° using a macro-scale hydrological model. Changes in national water resources are calculated, including both internally generated runoff and upstream imports, and compared with national water use estimates developed for the United Nations Comprehensive Assessment of the Freshwater Resources of the World. Although there is variation between scenarios, the results suggest that average annual runoff will increase in high latitudes, in equatorial Africa and Asia, and southeast Asia, and will decrease in mid-latitudes and most subtropical regions. The HadCM3 scenario produces changes in runoff which are often similar to those from the HadCM2 scenarios — but there are important regional differences. The rise in temperature associated with climate change leads to a general reduction in the proportion of precipitation falling as snow, and a consequent reduction in many areas in the duration of snow cover. This has implications for the timing of streamflow in such regions, with a shift from spring snow melt to winter runoff. Under the HadCM2 ensemble mean scenario, the number of people living in countries with water stress would increase by 53 million by 2025 (relative to those who would be affected in the absence of climate change). Under the HadCM3 scenario, the number of people living in countries with water stress would rise by 113 million. However, by 2050 there would be a net reduction in populations in stressed countries under HadCM2 (of around 69 million), but an increase of 56 million under HadCM3. The study also showed that different indications of the impact of climate change on water resource stresses could be obtained using different projections of future water use. The paper emphasises the large range between estimates of “impact”, and also discusses the problems associated with the scale of analysis and the definition of indices of water resource impact.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:56:39pm |
re: #562 LudwigVanQuixote
Walter, you made you bed. Lay in it and shut up.
Silly boy... you still won't address you dishonest comment. The deflection isn't working. Transparent as glass.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:57:11pm |
re: #550 LudwigVanQuixote
Here is another from Nature:
[Link: www.nature.com...]
That's general, doesn't seem specific to the steppes. One of the mistakes made in communicating AGW problems is that Scientists take areas that are already at extreme end of scale and try to indicate that existing problems are outcomes of AGW (See here) when many people know better.
They would do better by focusing on how much the small rise we've seen already has raised the AC bills in TX to my mind. If you want to convince Americans, show them exactly where it's hitting their pocket book.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:57:25pm |
Its telling that everyone claims to agree with LVQ's position on these things, but when the shit starts flying they tend to side with Steve and Walter rather than him.
I guess blood really is thicker than water :P
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:58:00pm |
re: #556 LudwigVanQuixote
According to the CIA factbook, Mongolia has a population of.... wait for it.... 3,041,142
More people probably get lost everyday on the subway in Shanghai than live in all of Mongolia!
Encroaching sea levels and significant increases in precipitation in eastern China will force the relocation of tens of millions of people.
Given the long heritage of conflict between the two groups (and "Inner" Mongolia is still part of China), I' sticking by my prediction that the Mongolians have more to fear from migrating hordes of people than the elevated temperatures and rainfall.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:58:55pm |
re: #568 windsagio
Its telling that everyone claims to agree with LVQ's position on these things, but when the shit starts flying they tend to side with Steve and Walter rather than him.
I guess blood really is thicker than water :P
No, honesty is thicker than blood. You're deflection is transparent too.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:59:12pm |
re: #560 wrenchwench
But does a real man get a basket for Winston?
Ahhh that was cute! Winston loves the swimming pool in the Summer...There is approx. 12" of snow on the swimming pool tonight.. But the good news is that is melting as we speak.. The bad news is that another storm is on the way
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:59:43pm |
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 4:59:58pm |
I'm off to my next client and then a commute home. Long day!
Walter I truly wish you well in your search for a better job. On that topic Dragon_Lady had an interview, then took the online personality test, then had the call back for a second interview with a higher authority after passing the test. (Yes, it was positive she has a personality :) LOL
They tell us we will know in a week. Well this will feel like a long week. She is on her 3rd extension of unemployment, which may be the end of it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:00:03pm |
re: #571 HoosierHoops
Ahhh that was cute! Winston loves the swimming pool in the Summer...There is approx. 12" of snow on the swimming pool tonight.. But the good news is that is melting as we speak.. The bad news is that another storm is on the way
That picture was you and Winston? I thought Winston was cuter than you, evidently not, you're a darling little thang.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:00:14pm |
re: #567 Thanos
That's general, doesn't seem specific to the steppes. One of the mistakes made in communicating AGW problems is that Scientists take areas that are already at extreme end of scale and try to indicate that existing problems are outcomes of AGW (See here) when many people know better.
They would do better by focusing on how much the small rise we've seen already has raised the AC bills in TX to my mind. If you want to convince Americans, show them exactly where it's hitting their pocket book.
Well Thanos, this got started with a comment about AGW leading to National Geographic showing photos of Mongolians. And as to the general issue of the deserts getting bigger, well you were the one who brought up the Gobi.
I really don't understand your beef.
As to the effects on America. I think the papers I posted about our food production going getting reduced by 65-90% and the SW becoming uninhabitable because meltwater will dry up are some pretty good examples of stuff that I post about things right here. Ohhh and then there is the whole lose our major coastal cites part too.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:00:36pm |
re: #557 wrenchwench
Yep, special tool, special knowledge, lots of practice (on other people's wheels, preferably). There are some very high-end parts made in the US. Brakes yes; derailers, no; chains, no; tires, no; wheels, yes.
in other words, just buy a good Chinese bike...if you're not a racer
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:01:14pm |
re: #569 freetoken
According to the CIA factbook, Mongolia has a population of... wait for it... 3,041,142
More people probably get lost everyday on the subway in Shanghai than live in all of Mongolia!
Encroaching sea levels and significant increases in precipitation in eastern China will force the relocation of tens of millions of people.
Given the long heritage of conflict between the two groups (and "Inner" Mongolia is still part of China), I' sticking by my prediction that the Mongolians have more to fear from migrating hordes of people than the elevated temperatures and rainfall.
I'm working from the proposition that changing the awful weather in Mongolia might make it one of the few areas that might improve from AGW. I agree with LVQ that many many areas are going to get worse, but some might get better. It's very hard to predict full outcomes for specific regions, but you know Mongolia can't get much worse.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:01:22pm |
re: #569 freetoken
According to the CIA factbook, Mongolia has a population of... wait for it... 3,041,142
More people probably get lost everyday on the subway in Shanghai than live in all of Mongolia!
Encroaching sea levels and significant increases in precipitation in eastern China will force the relocation of tens of millions of people.
Given the long heritage of conflict between the two groups (and "Inner" Mongolia is still part of China), I' sticking by my prediction that the Mongolians have more to fear from migrating hordes of people than the elevated temperatures and rainfall.
Yes you are right. Look I am not saying that Mongolia is the central problem. I do nopt know why you are fixating on it. I was responding directly to EmmieG's comment about Mongolia and then Thanos started asking questions.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:02:08pm |
re: #575 LudwigVanQuixote
Not disagreeing, see my comment specific to Mongolia.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:02:11pm |
I was just making a joke. Next time I'll pick the Inuit. Maybe the Lapps.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:02:22pm |
re: #563 SixDegrees
Well, I'm out. Looks like we have another Cloud of Ink defense in the making.
Ditto.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:03:04pm |
re: #568 windsagio
Its telling that everyone claims to agree with LVQ's position on these things, but when the shit starts flying they tend to side with Steve and Walter rather than him.
I guess blood really is thicker than water :P
I have nothing to do with AGW...I could care less
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:03:11pm |
re: #580 EmmmieG
sammi, they don't like being called lapps.
...
/pedantry off.
When I was in Tromsø, they warned us not to call them Lapps, somebody had gotten stabbed over it recently :p
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:03:23pm |
re: #570 Walter L. Newton
No, honesty is thicker than blood. You're deflection is transparent too.
And honesty is something you should try.
Perhaps as you are looking for a new job you can read up on some facts and learn to speak truthfully.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:03:24pm |
re: #568 windsagio
Its telling that everyone claims to agree with LVQ's position on these things, but when the shit starts flying they tend to side with Steve and Walter rather than him.
I guess blood really is thicker than water :P
I side with Truth, Justice and the American Way.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:03:40pm |
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:03:46pm |
re: #568 windsagio
Its telling that everyone claims to agree with LVQ's position on these things, but when the shit starts flying they tend to side with Steve and Walter rather than him.
I guess blood really is thicker than water :P
There is no excuse for LVQ's behavior. I find it appalling. He slings insults and profanities when there is no need.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:04:16pm |
re: #580 EmmmieG
I was just making a joke. Next time I'll pick the Inuit. Maybe the Lapps.
or the Pueblos...someone close to home eh?
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freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:04:38pm |
re: #559 Rightwingconspirator
Well, that is sort of (one of) the points of the ClimateWizard site.
Not only can you choose the emissions scenario (though I suggest picking the "high" scenario as that is the path we are on...), but you can look at the individual model outputs, or some combination of them.
You can also look at different time frames.
The idea is to see the commonalities, and the differences, and figure out why they diverge.
Some concepts are pretty solid - the migration north of the Hadley Cells, for example. This becomes evident in the models' output as seen by decreasing precip over southern Europe, or parts of Australia, SW Africa, etc.
Other changes are less certain (e.g., what will happen to us here in extreme SW of the US.)
Some are quite certain (e.g., increased precip at higher latitudes.)
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:04:50pm |
re: #577 Thanos
but you know Mongolia can't get much worse.
This won't effect their BBQ will it?
How's everyone?
Walter..Got SNOW!!?
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:05:00pm |
re: #582 albusteve
I have nothing to do with AGW...I could care less
Bullshit! You are a denier!
Burn him!
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:05:33pm |
re: #587 Racer X
But you upding people that fling insults at him. (I tend to watch the spy while playing desktop dungeon and posting here)
You're a great guy, but you're deeply inconsistent on this.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:05:40pm |
re: #584 LudwigVanQuixote
And honesty is something you should try.
Perhaps as you are looking for a new job you can read up on some facts and learn to speak truthfully.
And maybe you could apologize for suggesting that I never quoted the actual thrust of the Royal Society investigations into the CRU. I posted 5 times about the matter, and each time I directly quoted the reason for the investigation and the comment by Sir Muir.
You said I didn't... prove that. You can't.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:06:05pm |
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:06:10pm |
re: #577 Thanos
I'm working from the proposition that changing the awful weather in Mongolia might make it one of the few areas that might improve from AGW. I agree with LVQ that many many areas are going to get worse, but some might get better. It's very hard to predict full outcomes for specific regions, but you know Mongolia can't get much worse.
Overgrazing seems to be one of the threats leading to the demise of the Mongolian grasslands. They've seen an increase mostly of Cashmere goats and other sheep. However the destruction from this years Dzud was caused by a previous summer of drought and now record cold since 30 years. Some interesting links:
20 Million Mongolian Cattle Could Be Dead by Spring Due to Dzud (UPDATED)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:06:18pm |
re: #566 Walter L. Newton
Silly boy... you still won't address you dishonest comment. The deflection isn't working. Transparent as glass.
"Silly boy?"
What dishonest comment foolish old man? The one about your usual slimy tactics that everyone knows you pull or the laughter at your attempts to deny you are a denier. LOL
You are a little like Bagua on this topic, but less intelligent and hence more comical.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:06:45pm |
re: #592 windsagio
But you upding people that fling insults at him. (I tend to watch the spy while playing desktop dungeon and posting here)
You're a great guy, but you're deeply inconsistent on this.
I watch the spy too. I upding most of your down dings. I do not down ding unless it is really bad.
;-)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:07:30pm |
re: #597 LudwigVanQuixote
"Silly boy?"
What dishonest comment foolish old man? The one about your usual slimy tactics that everyone knows you pull or the laughter at your attempts to deny you are a denier. LOL
You are a little like Bagua on this topic, but less intelligent and hence more comical.
And maybe you could apologize for suggesting that I never quoted the actual thrust of the Royal Society investigations into the CRU. I posted 5 times about the matter, and each time I directly quoted the reason for the investigation and the comment by Sir Muir.
You said I didn't...
I assure you that the Royal Society, which by the way states openly that AGW is real, catastrophic and man caused, just like the APS does, is not questioning the science or the scientists.
Funny how when you bring up "questions" that the Royal society has, you do not mention that. It would be minimally honest if you did.
Prove that. You can't.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:07:49pm |
re: #584 LudwigVanQuixote
And honesty is something you should try.
Perhaps as you are looking for a new job you can read up on some facts and learn to speak truthfully.
Just when I thought this thread couldn't go any lower...
I'm out of here.
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:07:53pm |
re: #598 Racer X
you updinged 'silly boy', is that polite or constructive? Or is it just by your friend which makes it acceptable? :p
I'm more liberal than most with my ups and downs, I try to err on the positive tho >>
((that would be a cool feature that we'll never see: A list of how many + and - people have given))
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:08:01pm |
re: #584 LudwigVanQuixote
And honesty is something you should try.
Perhaps as you are looking for a new job you can read up on some facts and learn to speak truthfully.
Get a dog and kick him.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:08:57pm |
re: #594 windsagio
He's more an ass than a denier :P
you certainly have your specific enemies around here that's obvious...behavior counts for nothing as long as you're in the new clique.....hahaha!...what style!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:09:18pm |
re: #601 windsagio
you updinged 'silly boy', is that polite or constructive? Or is it just by your friend which makes it acceptable? :p
I'm more liberal than most with my ups and downs, I try to err on the positive tho >>
((that would be a cool feature that we'll never see: A list of how many + and - people have given))
You down ding people for simply opening their mouths. It's actually childish the way some people here use the rating buttons, like it makes something not true, or it makes it go away, or makes it all better.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:09:36pm |
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windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:09:37pm |
re: #604 albusteve
Whats the new clique? I wanna know how many of us you've got pinned!
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Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:09:41pm |
Mongolia: Nomads Face Hunger Crisis
Again they're looking at a loss of 20,000,000 livestock by spring. Rather serious situation in Mongolia.
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:09:55pm |
re: #601 windsagio
you updinged 'silly boy', is that polite or constructive? Or is it just by your friend which makes it acceptable? :p
I'm more liberal than most with my ups and downs, I try to err on the positive tho >>
((that would be a cool feature that we'll never see: A list of how many + and - people have given))
Should I go back and down ding all the fuck you asshole and idiot and moron and other insults as well?
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Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:10:36pm |
re: #605 Walter L. Newton
You down ding people for simply opening their mouths. It's actually childish the way some people here use the rating buttons, like it makes something not true, or it makes it go away, or makes it all better.
Quite Concur.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:10:53pm |
Did y'all know that there is such a thing as Mongolian throat singing?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:11:03pm |
re: #606 LudwigVanQuixote
What are you talking about? He quit. That was his choice.
I'm just saying that you bring a level of intense vitriol and outright rage - and yes, yes, we know - "billions of lives" - that suggest to me that, but for this and a few other hobbyhorses you gleefully ride into the ground, you'd be kicking dogs or such.
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mich-again Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:11:04pm |
BTW, I kind of like the concept of Donn Ross's Beneteau "Fan Fret" guitar. Interesting. As long as the 12th fret is precisely equidistant from the nut and the bridge for each string, I guess you can angle the frets like that to maybe improve ergonomics. But I'm not sure what the real motivation is for doing that though. Its not like there was anything wrong with the regular old guitar necks.
| 614 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:11:36pm |
re: #605 Walter L. Newton
And I'll repeat. Criticizing someones dinging habits is one of the clues that you're in a weak position. It means you can't argue anything substantive.
| 615 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:12:25pm |
| 616 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:13:33pm |
re: #607 windsagio
Whats the new clique? I wanna know how many of us you've got pinned!
I'll bet you do...start with those people that walk in and call someone an ass for no reason....you have no class, no style and your constant judgment of others posting personalities displays an over inferiority complex....constantly looking to endorse your blog vanity....those types....let's move on without the pre-emptive name calling....hate me all you want, but quit making a fool out of yourself and degrading the blog....try another tack
| 617 |
Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:13:49pm |
re: #608 Gus 802
Mongolia: Nomads Face Hunger Crisis
[Video]Again they're looking at a loss of 20,000,000 livestock by spring. Rather serious situation in Mongolia.
Man that is the suckitude. It makes you scratch your head over all the angst from the tea partiers, none of them have a real clue about how good they have it.
| 618 |
darthstar Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:13:58pm |
Time to go play in traffic for a while...safe journeys, everyone.
| 619 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:14:02pm |
re: #581 MandyManners
Ditto.
Left a reply for you on the lower thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 620 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:14:21pm |
It would appear that I logged into a shit storm of a flame war...
:/
Good evening, LGF!
:)
| 621 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:14:55pm |
re: #616 albusteve
+ for massive irony explosion, mr. pre-emptive name-calling.
| 622 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:14:58pm |
re: #612 Guanxi88
NO really not.
And the rage is the result of months of attacks by these people coupled with their continuous lies and coupled with the fact that billions will die.
One major difference is I am not dishonest about my hatred of the assholes here. I do not lie in order to play nice with them.
Now to be clear, I don't really hate Walter. I think he is actually rather tragic in many ways.
Others are simply virulent.
Others are truly arguing for evil things.
All of them are dishonest in their ways, some more than others.
And no I really do not like them. And yes, some of them are utter scum and deserve to be treated as such.
| 623 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:15:09pm |
re: #620 Varek Raith
It would appear that I logged into a shit storm of a flame war...
:/Good evening, LGF!
:)
Duck!
| 624 |
Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:15:18pm |
| 625 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:15:19pm |
re: #620 Varek Raith
its more an ongoing simmer. Somebody almost got a timeout earlier tho >>
| 626 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:15:28pm |
re: #620 Varek Raith
It would appear that I logged into a shit storm of a flame war...
:/Good evening, LGF!
:)
COMMUNIST!!
//
| 627 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:15:52pm |
re: #619 Jimmah
Left a reply for you on the lower thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Ohh yes I do so love it when Many complains about *my* language.
| 628 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:15:57pm |
re: #614 windsagio
And I'll repeat. Criticizing someones dinging habits is one of the clues that you're in a weak position. It means you can't argue anything substantive.
Is that a new rule? You are certainly the Dr. Laura of LGF, always coming up with new pithy psychological insights about behavior on the internet. Especially when it helps you deflect on the fly. Interesting technique. You come back with some unfounded statement like "Criticizing someones dinging habits is one of the clues that you're in a weak position" because you don't have anything worth saying. I guess it works in a pinch. Doesn't fool anyone. Maybe you should write a book about internet psychology, you can just make up the chapters as you go along.
| 629 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:16:36pm |
re: #608 Gus 802
Wow, I hadn't realized it had gotten so bad there.
Last summer I looked a bit at the emerging grain crisis around the world, which has gotten worse overall these past few years (it might change season to season a bit, but the long term trend looks bad.) Put simply, when grain prices were skyrocketing a great deal of the third world can no longer afford to buy it. Even though grain prices are lower now, I doubt those Mongolians could afford to import any to stave off the loss of their herds.
| 630 |
wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:17:05pm |
re: #619 Jimmah
Left a reply for you on the lower thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Downding for dragging things forward from other threads. Like it isn't bad enough with the current bitching going on....
| 631 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:17:21pm |
re: #624 Racer X
lol I admit after I posted that I looked up and was like 'uh oh'. + for catching it :)
I'd argue that this case is different because my entire argument is your dinging habits.
Unfortunately the easiest way to look at bias and prejudice on this blog is dinging. Otherwise I'd have to go through this laborious chain-quoting process, and nobody wants that :P
| 632 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:18:04pm |
re: #614 windsagio
And I'll repeat. Criticizing someones dinging habits is one of the clues that you're in a weak position. It means you can't argue anything substantive.
oh bullshit...you could not argue with Walter about what time of day it is...show me some posts where you ever argued anything substantive...you can't....dissin Walter on his debating skills is beyond the pale coming from you
| 633 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:18:17pm |
re: #628 Walter L. Newton
you keep saying I"m deflecting but won't say what I'm deflecting from. Is that so hard? >>
Also, please don't be mad because I've got you pegged :)
| 634 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:18:44pm |
re: #569 freetoken
According to the CIA factbook, Mongolia has a population of... wait for it... 3,041,142
More people probably get lost everyday on the subway in Shanghai than live in all of Mongolia!
Encroaching sea levels and significant increases in precipitation in eastern China will force the relocation of tens of millions of people.
Given the long heritage of conflict between the two groups (and "Inner" Mongolia is still part of China), I' sticking by my prediction that the Mongolians have more to fear from migrating hordes of people than the elevated temperatures and rainfall.
I used to teach some Mongolian kids. Good people. A delightful culture.
| 635 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:19:15pm |
re: #633 windsagio
you keep saying I"m deflecting but won't say what I'm deflecting from. Is that so hard? >>
Also, please don't be mad because I've got you pegged :)
You're making me blush.
| 636 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:19:33pm |
re: #587 Racer X
X, what the hell? Are you even close to reading the same thread?
Do you really think that the normal crew wasn't being their normal stupid and abrasive selves?
What the hell.
| 637 |
Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:19:37pm |
re: #631 windsagio
Upding!
I agree. This current flame-a-thon goes back many months. I get weary of it. I try not to butt in, but I'm just not good at minding my own business I guess. I'll try harder.
What about them Lakers eh?
| 638 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:19:45pm |
re: #592 windsagio
But you upding people that fling insults at him. (I tend to watch the spy while playing desktop dungeon and posting here)
You're a great guy, but you're deeply inconsistent on this.
Well the simple and obvious truth of the matter is that posters of the, shall we say, wingnut persuasion, are unhappy about ending up in the bottom ten all the time. Whenever a liberal ends up there however it's party time! Annefrance! Break out the champers!
| 639 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:20:15pm |
re: #632 albusteve
Here's one (most recent I found).
The meta is the most interesting part of blogging ;)
| 640 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:20:24pm |
re: #588 albusteve
or the Pueblos...someone close to home eh?
I'm sure it's already warm enough some of the time for the Pueblos to be nekkid--it's just not their style.
| 641 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:20:30pm |
re: #622 LudwigVanQuixote
NO really not.
And the rage is the result of months of attacks by these people coupled with their continuous lies and coupled with the fact that billions will die.
One major difference is I am not dishonest about my hatred of the assholes here. I do not lie in order to play nice with them.
Now to be clear, I don't really hate Walter. I think he is actually rather tragic in many ways.
Others are simply virulent.
Others are truly arguing for evil things.
All of them are dishonest in their ways, some more than others.
And no I really do not like them. And yes, some of them are utter scum and deserve to be treated as such.
Got it. In this case, it's the months of abusive lies from dishonest assholes, whose evil will cause billions of deaths, that explains this rage. As a perfectly honest fellow - unlike these dishonest assholes - you reserve the right to engage in levels of abuse that would certainly warrant your being bounced out of even the lowest and most disreputable dive-bar down by Skidrow. Perfectly clear.
| 642 |
mich-again Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:20:46pm |
The extra C02 tends to increase the amount of heat the atmosphere holds in, but all the pollution and particulate matter in the air tend to block the sun's rays from reaching the earth's surface. The air may get warmer but plants on the ground get less energy from the sun. See: Asian Brown Cloud.
| 643 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:20:54pm |
re: #621 windsagio
+ for massive irony explosion, mr. pre-emptive name-calling.
don't bother...I don't use the ding function
| 644 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:21:15pm |
re: #638 Jimmah
Well the simple and obvious truth of the matter is that posters of the, shall we say, wingnut persuasion, are unhappy about ending up in the bottom ten all the time. Whenever a liberal ends up there however it's party time! Annefrance! Break out the champers!
Poor wingnuts.
I'm really glad you are here.
Tell Ice that the paper that Sal used to consider the word of G-d has been retracted and yes indeed, even the authors of that paper acknowledge that IPCC is lowball.
| 645 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:21:22pm |
re: #630 wrenchwench
Downding for dragging things forward from other threads. Like it isn't bad enough with the current bitching going on...
I'm not doing any such thing- I kept my reply on the other thread. I merely informed her of it here, where I knew she would see it. If I hadn't, I'd no doubt be accused of sneakily posting on a dead thread.
| 646 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:22:11pm |
re: #629 freetoken
Wow, I hadn't realized it had gotten so bad there.
Last summer I looked a bit at the emerging grain crisis around the world, which has gotten worse overall these past few years (it might change season to season a bit, but the long term trend looks bad.) Put simply, when grain prices were skyrocketing a great deal of the third world can no longer afford to buy it. Even though grain prices are lower now, I doubt those Mongolians could afford to import any to stave off the loss of their herds.
I didn't know until Mongolian grasslands were mentioned and I started searching. Doesn't seem to be well known by the public hasn't made the news headlines. This is a serious crisis and one that will require foreign aid to Mongolia. A loss of 20,000,000 head is very serious.
The irony of this is that one of the reasons for grasslands depletion in Mongolia is because of the same agricultural use -- i.e. livestock grazing. Could it have played a role in this crisis? What happens when the numbers are once again increased after this loss and are we looking at a cycle of livestock increases followed by massive losses? How do they create a sustainable agriculture?
| 647 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:22:16pm |
re: #637 Racer X
dude I"m worse than you. Look at this current imbroglio.
We're just coming at our meddling at about 120' from each other >>
| 648 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:22:53pm |
re: #644 LudwigVanQuixote
Poor wingnuts.
I'm really glad you are here.
Tell Ice that the paper that Sal used to consider the word of G-d has been retracted and yes indeed, even the authors of that paper acknowledge that IPCC is lowball.
I'm here too. :)
| 649 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:23:15pm |
re: #641 Guanxi88
Dude, when, exactly when have I pissed in your cheerios? My language is tame compared to say Mandy.
I am vastly less abusive than someone like Albtsteve.
I do not whine or get mealy mouthed or nearly as insulting or conniving as one like Bagua.
I do not try to just stir up shit like the Hockey boy or Satt.
Yet I am the big bad one.
Come on. Are we reading the same threads?
| 650 |
Racer X Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:23:23pm |
re: #636 LudwigVanQuixote
X, what the hell? Are you even close to reading the same thread?
Do you really think that the normal crew wasn't being their normal stupid and abrasive selves?
What the hell.
Strange eh?
IMHO you are letting your emotions get the best of you. I could be wrong. I agree with you on many issues. I agree with Walter on many issues. He seems like a decent guy to me, and he certainly does not deserve the abuse that has been thrown at him on this thread. Now that damn Steve is another matter altogether.
;-)
| 651 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:23:29pm |
re: #648 iceweasel
You're more the behind the scenes puppetmaster(puppetmistress?) tho' :P
| 652 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:24:10pm |
re: #648 iceweasel
I'm here too. :)
Always glad to see you.
It get's lonely crucifying wingnuts without you guys. Walter was today's main roast.
| 653 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:24:23pm |
re: #648 iceweasel
I'm here too. :)
Hi Ice! To quote a line from paint your wagon..
Welcome to hell
*wink*
| 654 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:24:33pm |
To a dark place, this thread is heading...
| 655 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:25:02pm |
re: #654 Varek Raith
heading nothing. Its been in the exact same dark place for hours.
Its a freakin' kitchen :p
| 656 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:25:20pm |
Tea Party Republican sympathies with terrorist.....
Rep. King Justifies Suicide Attack On IRS: Sympathizes With Hatred Of IRS, Hopes For Its Destruction
When I first saw this story they didn't have the video so I was pretty skeptical. How hard is it to say, "It's a terrible thing and there's no excuse?" We saw Muslims and lefties excusing 9-11 on America's evil foreign policy. How is this any different?
| 658 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:26:11pm |
re: #655 windsagio
heading nothing. Its been in the exact same dark place for hours.
Its a freakin' kitchen :p
Yeah, I know. Sure does get old, though.
;)
Lighten. The. Hell. Up. People!
:)
| 659 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:26:35pm |
re: #657 windsagio
because they're right to do it!
Who's right to do what? ...and are you missing a sarc tag?
| 660 |
wrenchwench Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:27:07pm |
I would try to make some dramatic exit, frothing about all the nasty comments lizards are making about each other, how they are messing up the lovely blog, being damn ingrates and such, but I always leave at this time, so I don't think it would go over very well.
Later, lizards.
| 661 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:27:07pm |
re: #656 Killgore Trout
Tea Party Republican sympathies with terrorist...
Rep. King Justifies Suicide Attack On IRS: Sympathizes With Hatred Of IRS, Hopes For Its Destruction
[Video]When I first saw this story they didn't have the video so I was pretty skeptical. How hard is it to say, "It's a terrible thing and there's no excuse?" We saw Muslims and lefties excusing 9-11 on America's evil foreign policy. How is this any different?
That's probably the thing that kills me the most. What was "the horror" before Obama is OK now. Principals. Gotta keep em.
| 662 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:27:26pm |
Good Evening Lizards, Happy Monday to you all! I hope everyone is doing well? I see RWC has mentioned my interview and subsequent personality test. My Dad couldn't imagine my not passing a personality test because I have a lot of personality, I said that's what I was afraid of! I can only stay and chat for a few minutes, RWC's gonna be calling me soon with an 20 minute warning of impending arrival at the train station.
| 663 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:27:53pm |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude, when, exactly when have I pissed in your cheerios? My language is tame compared to say Mandy.
I am vastly less abusive than someone like Albtsteve.
I do not whine or get mealy mouthed or nearly as insulting or conniving as one like Bagua.
I do not try to just stir up shit like the Hockey boy or Satt.
Yet I am the big bad one.
Come on. Are we reading the same threads?
You have pissed in my cheerios on more occasions that I care to think of, and each time told me it was the dew of Heaven itself descending upon me.
And, no you're not the big bad one - you're just undoubtedly the most viciously abusive of the regular posters I've come across here.
You do your position absolutely no favors whatsoever with your conduct here, and I tell you honestly that a good, solid cause, such as the one you have made your occasion for venting your spleen on this occasion, is damaged more by the excesses and outrages of its supporters than by the worst fabrications imaginable from the deniers.
| 664 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:27:54pm |
re: #659 Killgore Trout
yes of course I am, sorry... It wasn't clear enough that the sarc could be self-evident ;)
I'm saying that this is different because they think the guy is right to hate the IRS, thus its freedom-fighting rather than terrorism.
Only rightwing christians freedomfight.
| 665 |
austin_blue Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:28:00pm |
Geez. What a thread.
Good evening to all, in the spirit of comity!
| 666 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:28:26pm |
re: #640 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm sure it's already warm enough some of the time for the Pueblos to be nekkid--it's just not their style.
interesting people, and their ancestors, the Anasazi....they knew a thing or two about coping with climate change...I'm sure nudity was in there someplace
| 667 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:28:36pm |
re: #658 Varek Raith
Yeah, I know. Sure does get old, though.
;)
Lighten. The. Hell. Up. People!
:)
Hey you know the old saw, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade! ;-)
| 668 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:28:47pm |
re: #646 Gus 802
The irony, the tragedy, is that human actions often are involved in causing many of our own crises.
Look, we are omnivores so yes, meat eating is natural to us. But our modern human idea of raising lots of meat for our voracious palates is starting to bite into our well being.
(I am not a vegetarian - indeed, one reason I liked living in Japan was the food, mostly consisting of animals from the sea.)
The Mongolians do look like they need help, and lots of it soon.
| 669 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:28:55pm |
re: #665 austin_blue
Geez. What a thread.
Good evening to all, in the spirit of comity!
Fuck you, buddy!
(Howzit, austin_blue?)
| 670 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:29:07pm |
re: #652 LudwigVanQuixote
Always glad to see you.
It get's lonely crucifying wingnuts without you guys. Walter was today's main roast.
Has he been "just asking questions" again? :D
| 672 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:29:38pm |
re: #666 albusteve
interesting people, and their ancestors, the Anasazi...they knew a thing or two about coping with climate change...I'm sure nudity was in there someplace
Ask the archeologist who study pre-columbian SW and the Anasazi about the Medieval Warm Period.
| 674 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:30:23pm |
re: #656 Killgore Trout
Rep. King was the one at CPAC who kept saying that liberals (and others) were the "enemy". It was hate speech, IMO.
| 675 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:30:45pm |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude, when, exactly when have I pissed in your cheerios? My language is tame compared to say Mandy.
I am vastly less abusive than someone like Albtsteve.
I do not whine or get mealy mouthed or nearly as insulting or conniving as one like Bagua.
I do not try to just stir up shit like the Hockey boy or Satt.
Yet I am the big bad one.
Come on. Are we reading the same threads?
| 676 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:32:08pm |
re: #652 LudwigVanQuixote
It get's lonely crucifying wingnuts without you guys. Walter was today's main roast.
Oh, so it was Walter up on the cross in this thread? I thought you were the savior.
| 678 |
Gus Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:33:00pm |
re: #668 freetoken
The irony, the tragedy, is that human actions often are involved in causing many of our own crises.
Look, we are omnivores so yes, meat eating is natural to us. But our modern human idea of raising lots of meat for our voracious palates is starting to bite into our well being.
(I am not a vegetarian - indeed, one reason I liked living in Japan was the food, mostly consisting of animals from the sea.)
The Mongolians do look like they need help, and lots of it soon.
Part of the aid should consider an eye towards the future. That is to create a sustainable means of agriculture. It not so dissimilar to aid for Haiti. Part of which includes reconstruction with building design based on seismic zone requirements. The best vehicle to that end would have to come from Mongolia itself.
| 679 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:33:10pm |
re: #656 Killgore Trout
Tea Party Republican sympathies with terrorist...
Rep. King Justifies Suicide Attack On IRS: Sympathizes With Hatred Of IRS, Hopes For Its Destruction
[Video]
When I first saw this story they didn't have the video so I was pretty skeptical. How hard is it to say, "It's a terrible thing and there's no excuse?" We saw Muslims and lefties excusing 9-11 on America's evil foreign policy. How is this any different?
Brown wasn't much better. These guys are unbelievable.
| 681 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:33:30pm |
re: #677 windsagio
He's more the prophet of doom.
Yeah, he's not Jeremiah, but he won't hesitate to bring him up as a parallel instance to his own case and role.
| 682 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:33:44pm |
Obama health proposal is 11 pages long. Politico story on it uses a photo of a 12 inch tall stack of paper.
| 683 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:34:16pm |
re: #652 LudwigVanQuixote
Always glad to see you.
It get's lonely crucifying wingnuts without you guys. Walter was today's main roast.
Always a joy to see you, LVQ. Still fighting the good fight, I see.
| 684 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:35:03pm |
re: #681 Guanxi88
I'm hoping he's more like Jonah, well except for the 'running away from your responsibilities' bit.
The people of Nineveh decided to repent ;)
| 685 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:35:11pm |
re: #676 Guanxi88
Oh, so it was Walter up on the cross in this thread? I thought you were the savior.
Don't help so much, it's just backfiring.
| 686 |
freetoken Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:36:09pm |
re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist
Brown wasn't much better. These guys are unbelievable.
They're 50% (or more) on the way to becoming Pat Robertson.
| 687 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:36:11pm |
re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist
Brown wasn't much better. These guys are unbelievable.
Brown's comments were certainly questionable. King's were definitely over the line. It really shouldn't be that hard to condemn attacks against our government which kill American citizens.
| 688 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:36:14pm |
re: #683 iceweasel
Always a joy to see you, LVQ. Still fighting the good fight, I see.
Ice, Jimmah!
Hows things, you crazy kids?
I just smoked my first pipeful ever of Gawith & Hoggarth's Brown #4. Amazing stuff! I thought of you two lovebirds, out on the moors, or the heaths, or whatever it is one is out in Scotland. A very nice, very basic, very traditional British tobacco.
| 689 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:36:15pm |
re: #685 Walter L. Newton
Do you read Stephen King? I'm reading Under The Dome and it references "Lost" quite a bit.
| 690 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:36:16pm |
re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist
Brown wasn't much better. These guys are unbelievable.
Brown's comments were shameful.
| 691 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:37:00pm |
| 692 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:37:21pm |
re: #686 freetoken
They're 50% (or more) on the way to becoming Pat Robertson.
No, I don't think there's that much religious conviction there. They're just so focused on their political goals that they can't damn well see how this sounds.
| 693 |
austin_blue Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:37:23pm |
| 694 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:37:34pm |
re: #673 iceweasel
Yeah, me, Soros, and Kos. :)
Hey friend! keep your head down tonight..It's war ( Yes I have seen you send Conservatives crawl into the corner sucking their thumbs)
Be well...The beauty of America and science is that it stands on a higher ground
| 695 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:37:48pm |
re: #689 Stanley Sea
Do you read Stephen King? I'm reading Under The Dome and it references "Lost" quite a bit.
I haven't read much King in the last 10 years. There is a lot of homages to King in the LOST scripts too.
| 696 |
Randall Gross Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:37:49pm |
re: #674 freetoken
Rep. King was the one at CPAC who kept saying that liberals (and others) were the "enemy". It was hate speech, IMO.
Hey, I've said liberals are my enemy many times. But I say it in a caring manner, is that ok?
| 697 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:38:37pm |
re: #691 Varek Raith
What'd he say?
CAVUTO: We have a guy who is just ranting at the system, ranting at the IRS, ranting at big government, the need for health care, not the need for unions – I mean really crazy stuff. I would just be curious of your reaction to all that.
BROWN: Well It’ s certainly tragic and I feel for the families obviously that are being effected by it. And I don’t know if its related but I can just sense not only in my election but since being here in Washington people are frustrated. They want transparency. They want their elected officials to be accountable and open and talk about the things effecting their daily lives. So I am not sure if there is a connection, I certainly hope not, but we need to do things better.
CAVUTO: Invariably people are going to look at this type of incident Senator and say ‘well that’s were some of this populist rage gets you’ – Isn’t that a bit extreme?
BROWN: Yeah of course its extreme, you don’t know anything the individual he could have had other issues. No one likes paying taxes obviously. But the way we are trying to deal with things in the past, at least until I got here, is there is such a log jam in Washington and people want us to do better…
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:38:43pm |
re: #619 Jimmah
Left a reply for you on the lower thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And I just replied to you Jimmah. Downding that wrenchwrench ... j/k don't.
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The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:39:08pm |
re: #682 Stanley Sea
Gawd I hate Politico and their Drudge-bait.
It's probably been posted already, but I popped a link in spinoffs here to a useful chart summarising the differences between the House & Senate bills and WH proposal.
[Link: wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...]
Pretty good thumbnail, imo. Scroll down for the chart.
PS Having computer issues if i vanish or don't respond to someone.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:39:30pm |
re: #695 Walter L. Newton
I haven't read much King in the last 10 years. There is a lot of homages to King in the LOST scripts too.
That's cool. I'll look it up & post later to see if it rings a bell, but he mentioned a spin-off or something - he probably just made it up.
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Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:39:41pm |
re: #656 Killgore Trout
Tea Party Republican sympathies with terrorist...
Rep. King Justifies Suicide Attack On IRS: Sympathizes With Hatred Of IRS, Hopes For Its Destruction
[Video]When I first saw this story they didn't have the video so I was pretty skeptical. How hard is it to say, "It's a terrible thing and there's no excuse?" We saw Muslims and lefties excusing 9-11 on America's evil foreign policy. How is this any different?
Appalling. Comments like these should be suicide notes to their author's careers.
| 703 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:39:51pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:39:55pm |
re: #696 Thanos
Hey, I've said liberals are my enemy many times. But I say it in a caring manner, is that ok?
I like liberals much better than I like conservatives. Conservatives tend to go behind you back and play games, where as liberal are fuck offs right out in front of your face. Makes a big difference.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:41:08pm |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:41:24pm |
re: #690 Jimmah
Brown's comments were shameful.
how so?....he said it was tragic and he feels for the families...what more is there to say?
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Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:42:20pm |
Why is it so freaking hard for King and Brown to condemn the terrorist attack in Austin without blowing smoke?!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:42:44pm |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:42:47pm |
re: #704 Walter L. Newton
I like liberals much better than I like conservatives. Conservatives tend to go behind you back and play games, where as liberal are fuck offs right out in front of your face. Makes a big difference.
the overt hysteria when you call a liberal is pretty funny tho....moon bat is okay
| 710 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:43:12pm |
re: #683 iceweasel
Always.
re: #681 Guanxi88
Yeah, he's not Jeremiah, but he won't hesitate to bring him up as a parallel instance to his own case and role.
NO I am not Jeremiah. Jeremiah was a much better man than me in an age when people were vastly more spiritually connected.
But the thing is, you need faith when it comes to prophets you need minimal understanding when it comes to numbers and basic science.
As to your notions of being nice about the science and how we scientists talk to the frauds, freaks, charlatans, political hacks and other useless dangerous maggots...
Well, we have been talking nice for 25 years.
Look how well that has done for us. The frauds are seen as equals in an unsettled "debate."
25 years ago, we had 25 more years to deal with such bullshit. We are running out of time.
Their feelings will be even more hurt in an eco-collapse. I do not care about their feelings, their stupidity or their fragile egos. Fuck them, because they are fucking you and me and the whole world.
| 711 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:43:44pm |
Since no one feels like chatting tonight I'm gonna log off, have a great evening and Keep Laughing everyone! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-)
| 713 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:44:14pm |
re: #709 albusteve
the overt hysteria when you call a liberal is pretty funny tho...moon bat is okay
The new bad word is "Progressive". Or is it "Professor" ?
| 714 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:44:15pm |
re: #706 albusteve
how so?...he said it was tragic and he feels for the families...what more is there to say?
Is that all he said, albusteve? Do you really think my - and many others - beef is with the bit you referred to?
If you can't tell me what it is he said that people found offensive - in the extreme - then you are simply ill informed.
| 715 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:44:21pm |
re: #707 Varek Raith
Why is it so freaking hard for King and Brown to condemn the terrorist attack in Austin without blowing smoke?!
Because they don't want to alienate their base.
| 717 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:46:01pm |
re: #694 HoosierHoops
Hey friend! keep your head down tonight..It's war ( Yes I have seen you send Conservatives crawl into the corner sucking their thumbs)
Be well...The beauty of America and science is that it stands on a higher ground
That may be, but sometimes you need to send in a ratter.
Really 25 years ago, we had 25 more years to play nivce. We do not have the time anymore to coddle the stupid.
| 718 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:46:12pm |
re: #706 albusteve
how so?...he said it was tragic and he feels for the families...what more is there to say?
Then he decided to use the moment to do a little campaign ad, for how he's gonna fix the world so frustrated citizens will no longer fly into building, and adds, sort of as an aside that 'the individual could have had other issues'. Of course, I suppose, he could also have just had a principled objection to living in a world with taxes.
It's lame, it's opportunistic, and it makes it sound as though domestic terrorism is damn near a rational response to 'frustration'.
Tell me that doesn't sound exactly like the shit that mealy-mouthed left-liberals were coming out with after 9/11, and for which they were rightly slammed.
| 719 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:47:13pm |
re: #713 Stanley Sea
The new bad word is "Progressive". Or is it "Professor" ?
'Prog' seems to be the new thing.
| 720 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:47:51pm |
re: #710 LudwigVanQuixote
Always.
re: #681 Guanxi88As to your notions of being nice about the science and how we scientists talk to the frauds, freaks, charlatans, political hacks and other useless dangerous maggots...
No better way known to man to persuade others of your seriousness, and the strength of your position, than by characterizing your opponents thus.
You'll change no minds, persuade no one, with these pointless and unnecessary spleen-cleansings.
Of course, as you don't intend to change the minds of these people (well, people by way of a courtesy greater than they deserve), but rather intend, perhaps, to persuade those undecided or unsure on the matter, then I'm sure nothing will persuade them quite like your endless pontifications and largely pointless abuse.
You're passionate about the matter, and enjoy verbal cruelty, and have found a neat way to combine the former with the latter in such a way as to turn the undeniable vice and personal shortcoming that is your rage into a virtue. Good for you, bad for the cause you claim to support.
| 721 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:48:01pm |
re: #718 SanFranciscoZionist
Then he decided to use the moment to do a little campaign ad, for how he's gonna fix the world so frustrated citizens will no longer fly into building, and adds, sort of as an aside that 'the individual could have had other issues'. Of course, I suppose, he could also have just had a principled objection to living in a world with taxes.
It's lame, it's opportunistic, and it makes it sound as though domestic terrorism is damn near a rational response to 'frustration'.
Tell me that doesn't sound exactly like the shit that mealy-mouthed left-liberals were coming out with after 9/11, and for which they were rightly slammed.
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
;)
| 722 |
Ojoe Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:48:20pm |
Sunset on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.
It is sort of pink tonight.
Off to the Scout meeting.
| 723 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:49:03pm |
re: #715 iceweasel
Because they don't want to alienate their base.
If their base is gonna be alienated by saying 'this was a criminal act, an act of terrorism, and I am not going to discuss it in the context of what I hope to do for my law abiding constitutuents. My heart goes out to the families of all concerned. Thank you.' then that base isn't worth keeping.
| 724 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:49:25pm |
re: #713 Stanley Sea
The new bad word is "Progressive". Or is it "Professor" ?
Proggie - the preferred epithet is proggie.
| 725 |
Olsonist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:49:58pm |
| 727 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:50:13pm |
re: #724 Guanxi88
Proggie - the preferred epithet is proggie.
I get a nice feeling every time Steve says Donks.
| 728 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:50:29pm |
re: #724 Guanxi88
Proggie - the preferred epithet is proggie.
How about Progo, after the cherubim in "A Wind In The Door"?
| 729 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:50:50pm |
re: #727 Stanley Sea
I get a nice feeling every time Steve says Donks.
That's more of a pet-name.
Everybody has one - my Mrs. calls me "bastard"
| 730 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:50:57pm |
| 731 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:51:09pm |
re: #714 Jimmah
Is that all he said, albusteve? Do you really think my - and many others - beef is with the bit you referred to?
If you can't tell me what it is he said that people found offensive - in the extreme - then you are simply ill informed.
I don't get it...what was offensive?...I read what he said, he merely replied to the questions imo
| 732 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:51:42pm |
re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist
How about Progo, after the cherubim in "A Wind In The Door"?
Too literary. Proggy works, as it is a contraction of progressive, and sounds like "froggy" - as in Frenchman. It works.
| 733 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:52:16pm |
re: #717 LudwigVanQuixote
That may be, but sometimes you need to send in a ratter.
Really 25 years ago, we had 25 more years to play nivce. We do not have the time anymore to coddle the stupid.
I love science...When I found out that Charles liked the Bad Astronomy web site..I was like dude..I like where you are coming from...
We agree on 99% of all science issues....
it is important to show grace to those we disagree with...
It's a higher ground
| 736 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:53:07pm |
re: #718 SanFranciscoZionist
Then he decided to use the moment to do a little campaign ad, for how he's gonna fix the world so frustrated citizens will no longer fly into building, and adds, sort of as an aside that 'the individual could have had other issues'. Of course, I suppose, he could also have just had a principled objection to living in a world with taxes.
It's lame, it's opportunistic, and it makes it sound as though domestic terrorism is damn near a rational response to 'frustration'.
Tell me that doesn't sound exactly like the shit that mealy-mouthed left-liberals were coming out with after 9/11, and for which they were rightly slammed.
I dunno...I guess you could be offended...I didn't really read between the lines
| 737 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:53:39pm |
| 738 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:53:50pm |
| 739 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:54:24pm |
re: #694 HoosierHoops
Hey friend! keep your head down tonight..It's war ( Yes I have seen you send Conservatives crawl into the corner sucking their thumbs)
So true. No so much conservatives as wingnuts, though.
Here's someone we can all unite in hating...a little birdie alerts me to a recent comment on the stalker site expressing some iDub love:
(the context? There is none. This just came out of nowhere)
If not for the US Military that skank Iceweasel would be a fucking lampshade or a bar of soap. Ungrateful bitch.
So much wrong I don't even know where to start....
| 740 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:54:29pm |
re: #736 albusteve
I dunno...I guess you could be offended...I didn't really read between the lines
I'm offended.
| 741 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:55:03pm |
re: #688 Guanxi88
Ice, Jimmah!
Hows things, you crazy kids?
I just smoked my first pipeful ever of Gawith & Hoggarth's Brown #4. Amazing stuff! I thought of you two lovebirds, out on the moors, or the heaths, or whatever it is one is out in Scotland. A very nice, very basic, very traditional British tobacco.
Moors :) But we'll be together in New York again before we both get back to Scotland. Hopefully very soon!
| 742 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:55:29pm |
re: #732 Guanxi88
Too literary. Proggy works, as it is a contraction of progressive, and sounds like "froggy" - as in Frenchman. It works.
Proggy and prog are used by the kind of site that posted that comment I just quoted above.
Doesn't belong here.
| 743 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:56:18pm |
re: #741 Jimmah
Moors :) But we'll be together in New York again before we both get back to Scotland. Hopefully very soon!
Good, very good. I don't share your politics, not by any means, but I can;t help rooting for two crazy kids in love!
| 744 |
Varek Raith Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:56:21pm |
re: #742 iceweasel
Proggy and prog are used by the kind of site that posted that comment I just quoted above.
Doesn't belong here.
Prog = Progressive Rock.
:rolls eyes:
;)
| 745 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:57:05pm |
| 746 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:57:07pm |
re: #742 iceweasel
Proggy and prog are used by the kind of site that posted that comment I just quoted above.
Doesn't belong here.
C'mon - is it any term from there not to be used, or just that one?
| 747 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:57:22pm |
| 748 |
Aye Pod Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:57:41pm |
re: #731 albusteve
I don't get it...what was offensive?...I read what he said, he merely replied to the questions imo
Say there was a new terrorist attack by some jihadist on American soil. And suppose Obama's immediate response was "People in muslim countries are feeling frustrated. America needs to do better".
Would you get it then?
| 749 |
Obdicut Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:57:54pm |
re: #744 Varek Raith
Seriously, when I first started reading here I thought Mandy hated King Crimson.
| 750 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:58:28pm |
re: #742 iceweasel
Proggy and prog are used by the kind of site that posted that comment I just quoted above.
Doesn't belong here.
proggy
progsters
the proginator...what's the big deal?
| 752 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 5:59:11pm |
re: #746 Guanxi88
C'mon - is it any term from there not to be used, or just that one?
Like I said-- that term originates in some real fever swamps. People can use it if they want, but then readers will associate LGF with the sites that use it. I don't personally think that's a good idea, nor do I think it gives an accurate impression of what LGF people read.
| 753 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:00:22pm |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
CapeCoddah is in Massachusetts, and she was completely dismissed when she tried to say that Brown may have had some Tea Party support, but he was no tea-partier.
Does it look like she may have been correct?
I don't remember arguing that he was a die-hard TPer. I remember arguing that the Tea Partiers were his activist base that supported him intensely, campaigned for him, and got him elected. And Capecoddah disagreed with me vehemently. I believe the argument was about the influence of the Tea Party and the fact that the Tea Party extremists are becoming more important to winning GOP seats. I was arguing that the Tea Party people are now influential activist base that have the ability to shape policy because they must be pandered to to win elections. And I was being challenged on that IIRC.
| 754 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:00:23pm |
re: #752 iceweasel
Like I said-- that term originates in some real fever swamps. People can use it if they want, but then readers will associate LGF with the sites that use it. I don't personally think that's a good idea, nor do I think it gives an accurate impression of what LGF people read.
The term in question - we'll call it the "p-word. No, the OTHER p-word" - has floated about for a bit.
| 755 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:01:00pm |
re: #748 Jimmah
Say there was a new terrorist attack by some jihadist on American soil. And suppose Obama's immediate response was "People in muslim countries are feeling frustrated. America needs to do better".
Would you get it then?
I get you, but he did condemn it...I just don't see it as that much of a deal...I'm not blowing it off....these are (despised) politicians and I assume the rest from that standpoint, I'm not covering for anybody
| 756 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:01:05pm |
re: #677 windsagio
He's more the prophet of doom.
The guy telling the truth that nobody likes because he's not made of sweetness and lollipops :D
| 757 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:02:07pm |
re: #753 WindUpBird
I don't remember arguing that he was a die-hard TPer. I remember arguing that the Tea Partiers were his activist base that supported him intensely, campaigned for him, and got him elected. And Capecoddah disagreed with me vehemently. I believe the argument was about the influence of the Tea Party and the fact that the Tea Party extremists are becoming more important to winning GOP seats. I was arguing that the Tea Party people are now influential activist base that have the ability to shape policy because they must be pandered to to win elections. And I was being challenged on that IIRC.
I have to say that as I remember it, CapeCoddah was insistent that the teaparties had nothing to do with Brown and weren't at all important.
CC was wrong.
| 758 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:03:23pm |
re: #756 WindUpBird
The guy telling the truth that nobody likes because he's not made of sweetness and lollipops :D
Sweetness and lollipops aren;t needed - neither are rank abuse and pointless rage.
| 759 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:04:04pm |
re: #732 Guanxi88
Too literary. Proggy works, as it is a contraction of progressive, and sounds like "froggy" - as in Frenchman. It works.
THIS is Proggy:
| 760 |
jaunte Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:05:02pm |
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| 761 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:05:08pm |
re: #758 Guanxi88
Sweetness and lollipops aren;t needed - neither are rank abuse and pointless rage.
haha I think his rage has a point! If I were in his position, I'd be pretty mad too, with a whole bunch people who don't know what they're talking about parroting the same talking points and discredited arguments, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
| 762 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:05:46pm |
re: #757 iceweasel
I have to say that as I remember it, CapeCoddah was insistent that the teaparties had nothing to do with Brown and weren't at all important.
CC was wrong.
Yes. She was.
Also, heh, she was a real rare gem on that other discussion. ;-)
| 763 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:05:57pm |
re: #761 WindUpBird
haha I think his rage has a point! If I were in his position, I'd be pretty mad too, with a whole bunch people who don't know what they're talking about parroting the same talking points and discredited arguments, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
I'd drop it and tell them, to quote Tool: "Learn to swim."
| 764 |
windsagio Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:06:10pm |
re: #761 WindUpBird
haha I think his rage has a point! If I were in his position, I'd be pretty mad too, with a whole bunch people who don't know what they're talking about dishonestly and intentionally parroting the same talking points and discredited arguments, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
fiXt.
| 765 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:06:49pm |
re: #749 Obdicut
Seriously, when I first started reading here I thought Mandy hated King Crimson.
*high five*
TWENTIENTH CENTURY SCHIZOID BLOG
| 766 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:08:49pm |
re: #763 Guanxi88
I'd drop it and tell them, to quote Tool: "Learn to swim."
There's a reason i don't really engage in the AGW arguments. ;-)
+1 for Aenema
| 767 |
The Left Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:14:20pm |
re: #762 WindUpBird
Yes. She was.
Also, heh, she was a real rare gem on that other discussion. ;-)
Ah yes, the Folsom St Fair discussion.
I have a special place in my heart for CapeCoddah for that.
| 768 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:53:41pm |
re: #767 iceweasel
Ah yes, the Folsom St Fair discussion.
I have a special place in my heart for CapeCoddah for that.
I hope she didn't bail altogether. I enjoyed reading the on-the-spot citizen punditry of lizardoids who were in New England during that race.
| 769 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:04:46pm |
re: #753 WindUpBird
I don't remember arguing that he was a die-hard TPer. I remember arguing that the Tea Partiers were his activist base that supported him intensely, campaigned for him, and got him elected. And Capecoddah disagreed with me vehemently. I believe the argument was about the influence of the Tea Party and the fact that the Tea Party extremists are becoming more important to winning GOP seats. I was arguing that the Tea Party people are now influential activist base that have the ability to shape policy because they must be pandered to to win elections. And I was being challenged on that IIRC.
And does it appear that Brown is being influenced by the teapartiers?
There's no doubt in my mind that the teaparty folks are influential in some spheres - but the argument then was how influential are they with Brown specifically. And it doesn't appear they have much influence at all.
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