‘Conservatives Can Kiss Off Hot Air Blog’

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For months, Hot Air listed Little Green Footballs under “Left Channels” before delinking us altogether, as a way of punishing me for leaving the right wing reservation.

So imagine the sweet sweet irony as the religious right begins to reject Hot Air — because they’re not “conservative” enough: Conservatives can kiss off ‘Hot Air’ blog.

Apparently it’s not enough for Hot Air to be “All Obama-Hatred, All the Time” — they should be hatin’ on gays too.

Wow. Just as soon as the “Hot Air” blog was purchased by the Christian conglomerate Salem Communications from conservative commentator Michelle Malkin, it has suddenly become an advocate for all things gay. What in the world is up with that? …

A Saturday post, from Repurblican, takes one of my new heroes, Ryan Sorba of California Young Americans for Freedom, to task for making the common sense statement at CPAC that homosexual sex cannot lead to reproduction. For this obviously correct observation, he was booed off the stage. And “Hot Air,” now under Christian management, has made Sorba out to be the bad guy.

Sorba showed the courage of his convictions by simply declaring the truth. Said Sorba, “Civil rights are grounded in natural rights, and natural rights are grounded in human nature…and the intelligible end of the reproductive act is reproduction…civil rights, when they conflict with natural rights, are contrary…” At this point, his remarks were drowned out by a chorus of vitriolic, angry boos. (View video of his remarks here.)

Consequently, Sorba said, “I’d like to condemn CPAC for bringing GOPRIDE (he meant “GOPROUD”) to this event.”

For speaking truth to power, “Hot Air” accused Sorba of “bombthrowing,” and said his remarks represented a “gratuitous and public…slam on homosexuals.”

The lead blogger of “Hot Air,” Ed Morrissey, has apparently experienced a new-found freedom under Salem’s Christian leadership to bash proponents of morality grounded in natural law. Said Morrissey, “At some point, Republicans will need to get over their issues with homosexuality.”

Sorba was certainly right to condemn CPAC for this move. The bottom line here is if conservatives are looking for an annual convocation of genuine conservatives — those who are fiscal, national security and social conservatives — the place to be is the Values Voter Summit.

VVS, sponsored each fall by the Family Research Council and the American Family Association, will never waver on the truth that protecting one man — one woman marriage is the most fundamental conservative value of all.

That’s the problem when you start purging the unfaithful monkeys — it can be hard to know when to stop.

(Hat tip: avanti.)

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212 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:52:43am

I’m sure the family values Christian corporation who now owns Hot Air will bring them in line.

2 darthstar  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:54:30am

They sound like my mother. Question the smallest thing, and suddenly it’s “You’re attacking the family!”…what a bunch of maroons.

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:55:13am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

This isn’t exactly what I expected when they got taken over.

4 Buck  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:55:31am

First they came for the little green footballer, and I was quiet because I was not a little green footballer….

5 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:55:41am

Hot Air is teh part of teh Gay agenda!111!!1

6 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:55:58am

I’ve never even heard of that group. I scrolled through the writers names and have never heard of any of them either. I’m sure HotAir is all tore up about it.

Just as a disclaimer, I don’t read HotAir either and the Malkin link in the last post is the first time I’ve been on her site that I can recall.

7 ShaunP  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:56:55am

re: #6 RogueOne

I’ve never even heard of that group. I scrolled through the writers names and have never heard of any of them either. I’m sure HotAir is all tore up about it.

Just as a disclaimer, I don’t read HotAir either and the Malkin link in the last post is the first time I’ve been on her site that I can recall.

You must be a Radical Progressive then…

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8 dean_k  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:58:12am

I was reading some of the comments over there, and maybe 25-30% were not rabidly anti-gay.

I know that isn’t an especially big number, but that anyone at all was speaking out against one of their sacred cows- homophobia- suprised me.

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:59:12am

Oh noes they don’t hate gays. Burn the witches!

10 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:59:21am

re: #5 Gus 802

Doesn’t hot air come out of blowdriers? And don’t teh gays constantly blow-dry their hair, and their poodles?

It’s all coming together now.

11 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:59:42am

re: #10 Obdicut

Doesn’t hot air come out of blowdriers? And don’t teh gays constantly blow-dry their hair, and their poodles?

It’s all coming together now.

Hair Spray!

/

12 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:59:51am

At times like these it seems like every day is another step closer to to a stand up, knock down, drag out fight between the Libertarian Right Wing and the Christian Right Wing for control of the party.

Meanwhile I just hope they both damage each other enough to get the Sane Right Wing back in power….

13 teleskiguy  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:00:36am

This guy Ryan Sorba needs to get a blowjob.

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:01:02am

A friend of mine called up a few years ago to tell me that her Bible study group was putting pressure on her, because they felt she wasn’t a committed enough Christian.

Now, this is a woman who lives and breathes Jesus, so this was sort of a surprise to me. “What do they feel you should be doing?” I asked.

“They say I don’t condemn gay people enough.”

“Specific gay people? Like, people at your church?”

“No, general gay people. They think I should talk more about how sinful being gay is.”

She’s with a different church now.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:01:50am

re: #8 dean_k

I was reading some of the comments over there, and maybe 25-30% were not rabidly anti-gay.

I know that isn’t an especially big number, but that anyone at all was speaking out against one of their sacred cows- homophobia- suprised me.

But are the articles they link to sufficiently obsessed with The Gay Agenda?

16 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:01:55am

re: #12 jamesfirecat

At times like these it seems like every day is another step closer to to a stand up, knock down, drag out fight between the Libertarian Right Wing and the Christian Right Wing for control of the party.

Meanwhile I just hope they both damage each other enough to get the Sane Right Wing back in power…

The Libertarians can’t even control themselves. The Libertarians are and always will be the party of the future.

I’m sorry, you told us you were a Libertarian when you first signed up on LGF, didn’t you?

17 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:02:09am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

A friend of mine called up a few years ago to tell me that her Bible study group was putting pressure on her, because they felt she wasn’t a committed enough Christian.

Now, this is a woman who lives and breathes Jesus, so this was sort of a surprise to me. “What do they feel you should be doing?” I asked.

“They say I don’t condemn gay people enough.”

“Specific gay people? Like, people at your church?”

“No, general gay people. They think I should talk more about how sinful being gay is.”

She’s with a different church now.

God bless the poor thing for making the right decision no mater how hard it probably was for her…

Is she still the same denomination or did that change also?

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:02:25am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Had a man and his family leave my church (Southern Baptist) because the pastor would not condemn gays.

19 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:02:35am

re: #13 teleskiguy

This guy Ryan Sorba needs to get a blowjob.

Radley Balko gives it 5 years before that guy is caught in a public bathroom with a male prostitute.

20 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:02:37am

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

The Libertarians can’t even control themselves. The Libertarians are and always will be the party of the future.

I’m sorry, you told us you were a Libertarian when you first signed up on LGF, didn’t you?

No.

I’ve stated several times that I’m a LIBERAL but I can’t recall ever saying I was a libertarian…

21 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:03:20am

Ahhh yes nothing like hating gay people…

It occurs to me that someone has to be very insecure to do this.

Seriously, what will gay people actually do to you?

Get you to stop dressing like a slob? Make you into a better cook? Bring you some cultural literacy? Be the person who knows the difference between red and white wine and what goes with what? Inform you that broken down cars on blocks are not lawn ornaments?

Oh dear we can’t have that!

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:03:34am

re: #13 teleskiguy

This guy Ryan Sorba needs to get a blowjob.

Maybe he gets them all the time. Do people like him actually abide by the rules they spout, or do they make excuses to do what they want?

23 jaunte  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:03:40am

re: #13 teleskiguy

This guy Ryan Sorba needs to get a blowjob.

I don’t think it’ll help what’s wrong with him.

24 avanti  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:04:06am

re: #8 dean_k

I was reading some of the comments over there, and maybe 25-30% were not rabidly anti-gay.

I know that isn’t an especially big number, but that anyone at all was speaking out against one of their sacred cows- homophobia- suprised me.

Here’s one that’s a bit over the top from the other 75%

“I have no problem with gays serving in the military. Particularly if they’re front-line infantry.

Darth Executor “

25 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:04:42am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe he gets them all the time. Do people like him actually abide by the rules they spout, or do they make excuses to do what they want?

History has shown that guys like Sorba… well, you know.

26 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:04:56am

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh yes nothing like hating gay people…

It occurs to me that someone has to be very insecure to do this.

Seriously, what will gay people actually do to you?

Get you to stop dressing like a slob? Make you into a better cook? Bring you some cultural literacy? Be the person who knows the difference between red and white wine and what goes with what? Inform you that broken down cars on blocks are not lawn ornaments?

Oh dear we can’t have that!

Do you always stereotype gays like that? Those items you mentioned above are special skills that gays have?

27 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:05:06am

Too bad this whole debate is based on demagoguery and the desire to deny people their civil rights. Otherwise, it would be fun to watch.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:05:19am

re: #17 jamesfirecat

God bless the poor thing for making the right decision no mater how hard it probably was for her…

Is she still the same denomination or did that change also?

I think she always considered herself Christian rather than a specific kind of Christian, but she has moved from the American Baptists to some, I think, Congregationalist congregation.

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:06:17am

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had a man and his family leave my church (Southern Baptist) because the pastor would not condemn gays.

Good on your pastor!

30 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:06:43am

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had a man and his family leave my church (Southern Baptist) because the pastor would not condemn gays.

And then there’s the church that I used to go to where the Reverend was gay, married and even had a kid. No one really cared except for a couple of people.

31 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:06:47am

#1 Daytime show in America = Ellen
#1 Nighttime show in America = American Idol (with Ellen)

The fringe needs to get over their hatred of gays.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:06:55am

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, no doubt.

33 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:07:03am

The simple-minded views some people have….gaaaahhhh! But they choose not to think deeper about these issues because in so doing they might find their prejudices challenged.

Sex serves purposes other than reproduction, and in any case, the human race is not going to come to an end because a fraction of the population doesn’t engage in reproductive sex. Does Sorba think childless, infertile heterosexual couples are immoral as well?

The simple fact is, these people START with the conclusion that homosexuality is immoral (most likely because it makes them uncomfortable), then come up with supposedly “rational” arguments designed solely to justify their prejudice.

34 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:07:14am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Do you always stereotype gays like that? Those items you mentioned above are special skills that gays have?

Yes, it is in the handbook.

35 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:07:33am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I’m sure the family values Christian corporation who now owns Hot Air will bring them in line.

Salem Communications? I wouldn’t be surprised.

36 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:08:16am

Conservatives didn’t complain about Hot Air allowing racist comments. Conservatives didn’t complain about the site’s previous owner writing for a White Nationalist site. Conservatives don’t complain about Ed Morrisey’s sloppy and dishonest blogging. They only complain that Hot Air doesn’t hate gays.

37 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:08:52am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Conservatives didn’t complain about Hot Air allowing racist comments. Conservatives didn’t complain about the site’s previous owner writing for a White Nationalist site. Conservatives don’t complain about Ed Morrisey’s sloppy and dishonest blogging. They only complain that Hot Air doesn’t hate gays.

Because Real Conservatives (tm) are white supremacist homophobes. C’mon, Killgore, didn’t you get the memo?

38 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:08:55am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Do you always stereotype gays like that? Those items you mentioned above are special skills that gays have?

Interesting how you make a pro gay and anti-redneck post into one that makes me into stereotyping gays.

While it is true that not all gay men have a flair for cooking or dressing well etc… It is certainly true that gay culture promotes those virtues and that most of the gay men I know are well dressed and have a certain sense of style.

However Walter, if you wish to try to snipe at me rather than looking at the main point, which is that gay people are absolutely no threat to anyone and it is stupid to fear them - go right ahead.

39 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:09:00am

re: #35 Gus 802

Salem Communications? I wouldn’t be surprised.

Not many blogs can survive corporate ownership.

40 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:09:06am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Conservatives didn’t complain about Hot Air allowing racist comments. Conservatives didn’t complain about the site’s previous owner writing for a White Nationalist site. Conservatives don’t complain about Ed Morrisey’s sloppy and dishonest blogging. They only complain that Hot Air doesn’t hate gays.

Funny how that works. Not enough hate I guess.

41 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:10:01am

re: #34 Jeff In Ohio

Yes, it is in the handbook.

I suspect (hope?) you were trying to be clever of funny. A person can think they are “gay sensitive” and yet spout off with stereotypical remarks like that, which belays any sensitivity they think they have.

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:10:05am

I don’t hate anyone-until they give me a reason to hate them.:)

43 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:11:36am

I posted this below re: Ryan Sorba:

Sorba doesn’t seem to be too big a fan of just plain old regular law. He’s got a history of run-ins with the law including a restraining order for domestic violence and another guilty plea for creating a disturbance at a polling station over Prop 8 back in 2008. According to Sorba, he was turned in in the latter case by “some homosexual guy.”

TPM blurb has incorrect name of Michael Sorba, not that that matters

44 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:12:01am

And once again, for anyone who missed it last time.

Yes, we’re gay, but…


45 drcordell  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:12:06am

This is the funniest thing I have read all day. Well, maybe the second funniest. The funniest thing I have read is this. It’s a blog post by a gay GOPer who was at CPAC and got into a heated discussion with Ryan Sorba after his homophobic tirade. Great stuff.

46 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:12:18am

re: #31 Racer X

#1 Daytime show in America = Ellen
#1 Nighttime show in America = American Idol (with Ellen)

The fringe needs to get over their hatred of gays.

I really can’t stand Ellen. Does that make me a homophobe?

47 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:12:20am

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting how you make a pro gay and anti-redneck post into one that makes me into stereotyping gays.

While it is true that not all gay men have a flair for cooking or dressing well etc… It is certainly true that gay culture promotes those virtues and that most of the gay men I know are well dressed and have a certain sense of style.

However Walter, if you wish to try to snipe at me rather than looking at the main point, which is that gay people are absolutely no threat to anyone and it is stupid to fear them - go right ahead.

No… your main point is clear, but you use stereotypical comments to make your point.

And you go ahead and repeat you stereotypes to remake your point.

Hopefully, a day will come that no one has to point out that “most of the gay men I know are well dressed and have a certain sense of style.”

Hopefully the day will come when the subject is barely the center of anyones conversation.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:12:22am

re: #30 Jadespring

And then there’s the church that I used to go to where the Reverend was gay, married and even had a kid. No one really cared except for a couple of people.

I used to work in space shared with a very weird, uptight Lutheran parish, who could barely stand the pastor their bishop had inflicted on them. She was female. They didn’t like that. She was married, to a man, which was OK, they guessed, but then she got pregnant, and it’s really hard to pretend that the pastor isn’t a woman when she’s pregnant.

They might have liked it that she was from the Old Country (Germany), except that they also knew through the grapevine that her mother was raised Jewish, and they didn’t like that. They also didn’t like it that she was sharing the common space with my employers, a gay, Jewish congregation. They wrote to the bishop and said that the church was going to be burned down by the neighbors if we were allowed to stay, and it would be his fault.

It was one of those spectacularly bad matches. The bishop was hoping that the pastor could drag this congregation kicking and screaming into the second half of the twentieth century before the twentieth century was over.

49 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:13:03am

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

I suspect (hope?) you were trying to be clever of funny. A person can think they are “gay sensitive” and yet spout off with stereotypical remarks like that, which belays any sensitivity they think they have.

I was being clever and funny.

50 avanti  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:13:56am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Conservatives didn’t complain about Hot Air allowing racist comments. Conservatives didn’t complain about the site’s previous owner writing for a White Nationalist site. Conservatives don’t complain about Ed Morrisey’s sloppy and dishonest blogging. They only complain that Hot Air doesn’t hate gays.

Lot’s of complains even from within Hot Air that AP does not share enough Palin love too. The conservative purge reminds me of the McCarthy hearings, once you start down that road, no stopping the trip. LGF is a now a leftie blog, McCain is a progressive, Brown too, who’s next to not pass the purity test ?

51 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:13:59am

re: #33 Tigger2005


Does Sorba think childless, infertile heterosexual couples are immoral as well?

That would be me and yes, I’m definitely immoral.

52 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:14:07am

re: #49 Jeff In Ohio

I was being clever and funny.

I suspect (hope?) you were trying to be clever AND funny in correcting my sentence structure :)

53 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:14:09am

re: #46 Alouette

I really can’t stand Ellen. Does that make me a homophobe?

You made the mistake of watching “Mr. Wrong” didn’t you?

I like Ellen - shh - don’t tell anyone.

54 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:14:34am

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

I suspect (hope?) you were trying to be clever of funny. A person can think they are “gay sensitive” and yet spout off with stereotypical remarks like that, which belays any sensitivity they think they have.

Or they can just be dishonestly attempting to snipe while falsely portraying themselves as concerned.

I doubt a single gay man out there would do other than be amused at my comment.

You on the other hand, are trying to stir crap in the normal weasly way you do such things. It really fools no one Walter.

55 Buck  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:14:46am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Hey… I am well dressed and have a certain sense of style….

I must be gay.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:14:59am

re: #50 avanti

Lot’s of complains even from within Hot Air that AP does not share enough Palin love too. The conservative purge reminds me of the McCarthy hearings, once you start down that road, no stopping the trip. LGF is a now a leftie blog, McCain is a progressive, Brown too, who’s next to not pass the purity test ?



There’s no one left but thee and we,
And we’re not sure of thee.

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:16:16am

re: #55 Buck

Hey… I am well dressed and have a certain sense of style…

I must be gay.

Ahh the font of wisdom that is Buck…

LOL

58 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:16:25am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Or they can just be dishonestly attempting to snipe while falsely portraying themselves as concerned.

I doubt a single gay man out there would do other than be amused at my comment.

You on the other hand, are trying to stir crap in the normal weasly way you do such things. It really fools no one Walter.

Yawn.

You used stereotypical remarks that you applied to gay men. I hope some day people won’t even be wired to do that.

59 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:16:48am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ve heard plenty of gay men make jokes exactly along the lines that you made.

60 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:17:49am

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist


Yeah sometimes you just can’t drag people even with the best intentions. I forgot to mention that this Reverend was also a woman as well. :) I like how the that church does it. The congregation has a big part in the choice of anyone who is hired so the whole thing was very open right from the beginning. They also have done the same thing with same-sex marriage. It’s up to the particular congregations on whether they’ll do them even though it’s sanctioned by the national council. The majority do now but there are few who don’t.

61 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:10am

re: #50 avanti

Lot’s of complains even from within Hot Air that AP does not share enough Palin love too. The conservative purge reminds me of the McCarthy hearings, once you start down that road, no stopping the trip. LGF is a now a leftie blog, McCain is a progressive, Brown too, who’s next to not pass the purity test ?

I hear some guy with the Initials RMN started the EPA which menaces the free market with its government regulations. RADICAL LEFTIST!

62 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:14am

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Yawn.

You used stereotypical remarks that you applied to gay men. I hope some day people won’t even be wired to do that.

You’d probably have to start the unwiring with the gay men. I think a lot of them like the stereotype…

63 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:26am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

You guys please don’t get into a slapping match.

64 avanti  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:36am

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

I suspect (hope?) you were trying to be clever of funny. A person can think they are “gay sensitive” and yet spout off with stereotypical remarks like that, which belays any sensitivity they think they have.

I think stereotyping is always the subject of humor, and that’s how I took the reference. Try to find a gay guy represented on a TV sitcom that does not like show tunes or has a fashion flair.

65 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:58am

re: #63 cliffster

I was gonna say “walter please don’t immediately pick a fight with Ludwig”.

I guess it means almost the same thing tho’.

66 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:02am

re: #59 Obdicut

I’ve heard plenty of gay men make jokes exactly along the lines that you made.

Me too. I’ve sat through whole discussions about it. It’s like a running inside joke.

67 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:10am

re: #59 Obdicut

I’ve heard plenty of gay men make jokes exactly along the lines that you made.

Right… sort of like certain groups of people using certain words, it’s acceptable with in the group but certainly not acceptable out of the group.

Ludwig and I probably agree more than disagree on the subject of homosexuality.

I would still like to see a time where stereotypes like that are not even part of the culture.

I probably ask for too much.

68 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:16am

Here we go again. Any excuse to squabble.

69 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:19am

re: #59 Obdicut

I’ve heard plenty of gay men make jokes exactly along the lines that you made.

I have too. In fact that joke was first told to me by my favorite professor from college who was about as flaming as it gets.

We will let the concern trolls be “oh so concerned.”

Of course what makes the remark funny is the truth behind it.

What exactly is it about gay men that is so threatening in real terms. In real terms, the only real “difference” above the noise is better sense when it comes to food, clothing and decorating than the average white trash.

70 avanti  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:39am

re: #53 Racer X

You made the mistake of watching “Mr. Wrong” didn’t you?

I like Ellen - shh - don’t tell anyone.

I never paid much attention to her until American Idol, but I like her on there.

71 Professor Chaos  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:40am

It’s pretty obvious within 10 seconds of watching Sorba at CPAC that he’s got serious anger issues. I’ve seen the type many times before. They are insecure people who need to get taken down a peg or two.

72 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:19:51am

re: #68 Gus 802

Here we go again. Any excuse to squabble.

THEMS FIGHTIN WORDS!

73 Gus  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:20:25am

re: #72 jamesfirecat

THEMS FIGHTIN WORDS!

Oh yeah! Up your nose with a rubber hose!

/

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:21:19am

re: #70 avanti

I never paid much attention to her until American Idol, but I like her on there.

Ellen was a source of confusion to me from the start. I saw the show a couple of times, and assumed it was about a lesbian character. Then she was dating a man in one episode, so I figured I hadn’t understood.

Then all my friends were calling me up, all excited because “Ellen came out!” And all I could think of to say was “Ellen was in?”

75 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:21:28am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Right… sort of like certain groups of people using certain words, it’s acceptable with in the group but certainly not acceptable out of the group.

Have you asked any gay guys if they find it acceptable or not for people to (light-heartedly) speak of them in a stereotypical way, though? Or do you just assume they don’t find it acceptable?

76 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:21:34am

Gosh could this be what happens when you cater to Birchers, Neoconfederates, and Fundamentalists full time?

77 drcordell  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:21:53am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Right… sort of like certain groups of people using certain words, it’s acceptable with in the group but certainly not acceptable out of the group.

Ludwig and I probably agree more than disagree on the subject of homosexuality.

I would still like to see a time where stereotypes like that are not even part of the culture.

I probably ask for too much.

Stereotypes are always going to exist. The reason they are stereotypes is because oftentimes they are partially true. Lets turn the faux-outrage down a notch.

78 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:22:05am

re: #75 Tigger2005

Its not even that. He intentionally picked a fight for “God Knows What Reason”

79 drcordell  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:22:43am

re: #78 windsagio

Its not even that. He intentionally picked a fight for “God Knows What Reason”

He was FORCED to pick the fight!

80 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:22:45am

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

You used stereotypical remarks that you applied to gay men. I hope some day people won’t even be wired to do that.

Stereotyping is part of a lot of humor. When it’s not coming on the back of centuries of hatred, it’s funny.

81 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:23:01am

This may get me in trouble but I love stereotype humor. I’m shallow that way.

82 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:23:08am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Ellen was a source of confusion to me from the start. I saw the show a couple of times, and assumed it was about a lesbian character. Then she was dating a man in one episode, so I figured I hadn’t understood.

Then all my friends were calling me up, all excited because “Ellen came out!” And all I could think of to say was “Ellen was in?”

Ellen and Willow from “Buffy” both got SGS (Suddenly Gay Syndrome). Only on television!

83 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:23:33am

re: #69 LudwigVanQuixote

Ok… I will apologize to you Ludwig. Your comment was not meant to be insensitive.

I am always a bit over sensitive myself when it comes to language about certain groups… I’m bother when jokes are made about someone’s size, how they look, their sexual preferences, their athletic ability, things like that.

As I say, it’s me, my sensitivity to subjects like that. I suspect you meant nothing obtuse by your comment.

Again, I’m sorry.

84 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:23:40am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Is that a strain of “College Lesbian Syndrome”?

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:02am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Ellen and Willow from “Buffy” both got SGS (Suddenly Gay Syndrome). Only on television!

Willow seemed realistic enough—they were still in college when she started dating girls. I know people who did that.

86 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:16am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Then all my friends were calling me up, all excited because “Ellen came out!” And all I could think of to say was “Ellen was in?”

Ellen was never in. She was never even as in as Elton John.

87 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:19am

re: #84 windsagio

Is that a strain of “College Lesbian Syndrome”?

I’ve seen that movie, great ending.

88 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:19am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Ellen and Willow from “Buffy” both got SGS (Suddenly Gay Syndrome). Only on television!

I thought Buffy didn’t start doing girls till she’d gone from a character in a TV show to one in a comic book…

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:22am

re: #84 windsagio

Is that a strain of “College Lesbian Syndrome”?

Great name for a video.

90 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:56am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Willow: But this one time at band camp… and that’s before I met and married Marshall.

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:25:11am

re: #87 RogueOne

I’ve seen that movie, great ending.

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Great name for a video.

3 seconds. Heh.

92 Professor Chaos  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:25:42am

re: #82 Tigger2005

Ellen and Willow from “Buffy” both got SGS (Suddenly Gay Syndrome). Only on television!

Is that why these nutters are so fucked up about this? They saw Ellen dating a man one week on TV and the next she’s a lesbian, so clearly she chose to be gay?

Actually it wouldn’t surprise me if some of them did…

93 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:25:43am

re: #68 Gus 802

Here we go again. Any excuse to squabble.

Don’t worry buddy, this one is too stupid to squabble about. Most people get that complimenting people is not attacking them.

94 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:25:45am

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.

Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.

But then, logic has never been a conservative value.

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?

95 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:25:54am

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Willow seemed realistic enough—they were still in college when she started dating girls. I know people who did that.

I have a long-time theory that says bi-women gain 2 pts on a 10 point scale. I’ve tried explaining to my wife that she could go from a 10 to a 12 with just one kiss but she’s not buying it…..yet.

96 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:26:28am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

About 5 years after the left adopted the term. It takes a while to catch up.

97 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:26:35am

re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig… I don’t want to squabble, I apologized above…

Ok… I will apologize to you Ludwig. Your comment was not meant to be insensitive.

I am always a bit over sensitive myself when it comes to language about certain groups… I’m bother when jokes are made about someone’s size, how they look, their sexual preferences, their athletic ability, things like that.

As I say, it’s me, my sensitivity to subjects like that. I suspect you meant nothing obtuse by your comment.

Again, I’m sorry.

98 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:26:43am

re: #81 RogueOne

This may get me in trouble but I love stereotype humor. I’m shallow that way.

I have some old Thracian jokes that will knock your sandals off.

99 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:26:44am

re: #63 cliffster

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

You guys please don’t get into a slapping match.

Oh, the image that conjures up.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:27:11am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.

Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.

But then, logic has never been a conservative value.

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?

It seems to have emerged over the past couple of months. I’m not sure of the exact genesis of the trend. I assumed there was a newsletter or something.

101 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:27:51am

re: #99 Racer X

Oh, the image that conjures up.

I apologized above and meant it. Why all the continued bullshit?

102 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:27:51am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

When liberals started self identifying as progressives. Oh, about June of 2008.

103 Buck  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:28:02am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

It seems to have emerged over the past couple of months. I’m not sure of the exact genesis of the trend. I assumed there was a newsletter or something.

Newsletter? How 80’s…. I got the word by text message.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:28:34am

re: #95 RogueOne

I have a long-time theory that says bi-women gain 2 pts on a 10 point scale. I’ve tried explaining to my wife that she could go from a 10 to a 12 with just one kiss but she’s not buying it…yet.

Well, as a bi woman, I will accept this theory cheerfully.

105 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:29:02am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.

Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.

But then, logic has never been a conservative value.

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?

Whatever. Go live off someone else, you liberal leech.

106 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:29:07am

re: #95 RogueOne

I have a long-time theory that says bi-women gain 2 pts on a 10 point scale. I’ve tried explaining to my wife that she could go from a 10 to a 12 with just one kiss but she’s not buying it…yet.

I have a theory that men who go to strip clubs are closet homosexuals. Why else would they feel so comfortable in a room full of erections? Don’t get me started about football.

107 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:29:09am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.

Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.

But then, logic has never been a conservative value.

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?

Republicans/the GOP/people on the right made “liberal” a dirty word with sayings like “Limousine liberal” and “tax and spend liberal” and so on and so forth.

Eventual “liberal” becomes an a “bad word” that people don’t want to be associated with.

People on the left decide to start calling themselves progressives.

People on the right decide the time has start shoveling s*** on the new name for their political opponents.

108 webevintage  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:29:40am

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh yes nothing like hating gay people…

It occurs to me that someone has to be very insecure to do this.

Seriously, what will gay people actually do to you?

I think for guys like Ryan Sorba he is worried that an openly gay friendly nation will make him think about other dudes dangly bits more then he does now.

109 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:30:48am

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Its all good Walter. How are you doing today?

110 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:30:53am

re: #108 webevintage

I don’t think he’s thinking about the dangle, more about the hoisted form.

I admit I just wanted to use the word ‘hoisted’.

111 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:30:53am

re: #106 Jeff In Ohio

I have a theory that men who go to strip clubs are closet homosexuals. Why else would they feel so comfortable in a room full of erections? Don’t get me started about football.

(Paraphrasing Bart Simpson about hunting)

Bunch of guys sitting alone with each other in the words, sounds kind of gay…..

112 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:31:00am

re: #107 jamesfirecat

Republicans/the GOP/people on the right made “liberal” a dirty word with sayings like “Limousine liberal” and “tax and spend liberal” and so on and so forth.

Eventual “liberal” becomes an a “bad word” that people don’t want to be associated with.

People on the left decide to start calling themselves progressives.

People on the right decide the time has start shoveling s*** on the new name for their political opponents.

Progressive is not a “new” name for people on the left.

“In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]”

113 Bagua  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:31:09am

Goin’ out there? Alright let’s get this thing moving…

Someday Baby


- RLB
114 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:31:52am

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

I love wiki >>

The current spate of useage is fairly recent, you’ve gotta admit :)

115 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:23am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?


It’s fairly recent. I think it has a lot to do with Beck’s conspiracy that “Progressives” have been plotting for the past 100 years to secretly control the world. It basically means “secret communist” to him.

116 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:24am

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

Ludwig… I don’t want to squabble, I apologized above…

Ok… I will apologize to you Ludwig. Your comment was not meant to be insensitive.

I am always a bit over sensitive myself when it comes to language about certain groups… I’m bother when jokes are made about someone’s size, how they look, their sexual preferences, their athletic ability, things like that.

As I say, it’s me, my sensitivity to subjects like that. I suspect you meant nothing obtuse by your comment.

Again, I’m sorry.

You really are a sensitive guy, Walter. Is there something you need to tell us?

117 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:39am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.

Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.

But then, logic has never been a conservative value.

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?

I’m a conservative.
I’m in favor of conservation efforts.
And while I like my pocket to be lined, it is not at the expense of poor people.

Interesting that studies show that, for whatever reason, conservatives charitable donations outpace that of liberals.

118 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:47am

re: #114 windsagio

“Progressives” in San Francisco, at any rate, started calling themselves that to differentiate themselves from more corporate-style Democrats.

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:47am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, as a bi woman, I will accept this theory cheerfully.

I was going to comment thoughtfully on the evolution of the term progressive and how it has seemed to be the feel the hate phrase for more than some months…

However,

With this revelation, did I mention that I always thought you were awesome, and may I hit on you a little ;)

120 drcordell  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:56am

re: #108 webevintage

I think for guys like Ryan Sorba he is worried that an openly gay friendly nation will make him think about other dudes dangly bits more then he does now.

I hate using the term “gay” as an epithet in any sense, but Sorba is definitely a closet-case. Why else would he be completely and utterly preoccupied with gay sex all of the time?

121 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:33:09am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

“Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.”

“Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.”

/gaze

122 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:33:52am

Since conservative is now well on it’s way to becoming a pejorative term thanks to events like this year’s CPAC, I’m just wondering what right, right center, and center right people will be calling themselves in a couple of decades.

123 webevintage  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:33:58am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

liberal + progressive + glenbeckschalkboard = COMMIES

The Daily Show from last night was a hoot…and not just because Ricky Gervais was on:

124 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:34:56am

re: #123 webevintage

liberal + progressive + glenbeckschalkboard = COMMIES

The Daily Show from last night was a hoot…and not just because Ricky Gervais was on:

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com…]

I loved Jon’s reaction to Glenn Beck talking about how he learned all this at a Library….

125 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:34:57am

re: #114 windsagio

I love wiki >>

The current spate of useage is fairly recent, you’ve gotta admit :)

Sure… but that has a lot to do with certain factions on the left over the last 10 years turning the word into a “pride” sort of thing. It certainly wasn’t the right that started to use the term more and more in public, in regards to the left.

Radio talk show host like Thom Hartmann and Ed Shultz are very responsible for it gaining traction.

And a natural extension of that is the right uses the terming in the same way that the left would use wingnut or far right.

Seems fair to me.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:35:06am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Can someone identify for me the approximate moment in time when “progressive” became the new “liberal” as the conservatives’ favorite feel-the-hate word for people they disagree with?

Of course conservatives are all for progress, especially if it lines their pockets and hurts poor people at the same time. But “progressive” is bad, bad, baddy-bad.

Just like conservation, which you might think a conservative would embrace.

But then, logic has never been a conservative value.

Anyway, when did the asshole right stop hating liberals and start foaming at the mouth about progressives?

I think the point is that the typical “liberal” really never came out and fought in any organized manner. On the other hand the more activist types on that end of the spectrum started calling themselves progressive.

As with all political labels it is amusing, since T.R. (hardly a liberal in the modern sense) was the epitome of a progressive, back when the word meant something.

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:35:28am

Gay-Bashing CPACer Has Checkered Legal History

The man who cited natural law in an off-script anti-gay rant at CPAC has had two run-ins with the real law in the past decade, including a restraining order for domestic violence, according to court records in California.

Ryan Sorba of California Young Americans for Freedom, who is a longtime anti-gay activist, in 2001 had a restraining order brought against him by a woman in a San Bernardino County domestic violence case, according to case records.

A three-year restraining order granted by the court barred Sorba from any contact with the woman, Mary Paulson, and his brother Michael Sorba. He was also ordered to move out of the “family dwelling” in Highland, a small city outside San Bernardino, according to records. Sorba was 19 at the time and did not appear in court for any of the proceedings.

128 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:36:04am

re: #121 Ericus58

/gaze

Right back atcha.

129 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:36:18am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Gay-Bashing CPACer Has Checkered Legal History

Good link…

One should not be surprised that hate filled bigots have had difficulty with the law.

130 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:36:21am

re: #122 Thanos

Since conservative is now well on it’s way to becoming a pejorative term thanks to events like this year’s CPAC, I’m just wondering what right, right center, and center right people will be calling themselves in a couple of decades.

Swimmers.

(GW)

131 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:36:21am

re: #116 cliffster

You really are a sensitive guy, Walter. Is there something you need to tell us?

Yea FU.

132 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:36:44am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Oh I agree.

The left started to mainstream it after the right made ‘liberal’ sound all bad. The difference is that the language has shifted so much that now ‘progressive’ is the bad word. Expect the left to shift back to liberal soon :)

133 Bagua  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:36:45am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Gay-Bashing CPACer Has Checkered Legal History

Not surprising, he came across as a confrontational bully.

134 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:37:34am

re: #124 jamesfirecat

I loved Jon’s reaction to Glenn Beck talking about how he learned all this at a Library…

Heh, library. I’m sure it wasn’t a public one.

135 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:37:46am

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

I think the point is that the typical “liberal” really never came out and fought in any organized manner. On the other hand the more activist types on that end of the spectrum started calling themselves progressive.

As with all political labels it is amusing, since T.R. (hardly a liberal in the modern sense) was the epitome of a progressive, back when the word meant something.

I wonder if Glenn Beck has discovered Teddy R. as a bête noire yet.

Maybe he’ll send me a check if I tip him off.

136 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:37:53am

New rotating title?

LGF: violating Natural Law since Feb 7, 2001

137 ShaunP  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:38:26am

re: #117 reine.de.tout

I’m a conservative.
I’m in favor of conservation efforts.
And while I like my pocket to be lined, it is not at the expense of poor people.

Interesting that studies show that, for whatever reason, conservatives charitable donations outpace that of liberals.

Propensity to donate has more to do with life-cycle than income or political stance. Donors are typically 65+ years old, therefore the political party that contains a higher number of older people will contain more donors and give more money to charity. Actually the best donors are 65+ year old women…

138 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:38:28am

re: #132 windsagio

Oh I agree.

The left started to mainstream it after the right made ‘liberal’ sound all bad. The difference is that the language has shifted so much that now ‘progressive’ is the bad word. Expect the left to shift back to liberal soon :)

The Left would be smarter to invent another new word and see how long it takes the right to catch up and start trashing it as well rather than going back to one they’ve already got insults stockpiled for.

139 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:39:35am

re: #120 drcordell

I hate using the term “gay” as an epithet in any sense, but Sorba is definitely a closet-case. Why else would he be completely and utterly preoccupied with gay sex all of the time?

That, or he fears that if he pulls the stick out of his ass he might want to stick something else up there.

140 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:39:38am

re: #117 reine.de.tout

I’m a conservative.
I’m in favor of conservation efforts.
And while I like my pocket to be lined, it is not at the expense of poor people.

Interesting that studies show that, for whatever reason, conservatives charitable donations outpace that of liberals.

And from my own life …
We have a neighbor who is Mexican. He runs a food supply business, and works very hard supporting a houseful of people and sending money back to Mexico for his mom and his sister.

We saw him outside our front door one day, looking down, looking like he was trying to make a decision whether or not to knock.

The Roi opened the door, greeted him, had him come in.

The guy does not have a bank account. He was in desperate need of $600 to send his sister. We didn’t ask why; the guy’s distress was obvious.

Hubby took out the checkbook and a piece of paper, wrote up a simple no-interest 3-month loan agreement, they both signed, and we wrote him a check for $600. We are not so wealthy that $600 is a small sum.

We know it may end up never seeing that $600 again. Before writing the check, we decided that if we don’t see it, it will be because he and his family have a much greater need for that $600 than we do, and so be it.

So don’t tell me conservatives want to “hurt” the poor.

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:39:41am

re: #135 Cato the Elder

I wonder if Glenn Beck has discovered Teddy R. as a bête noire yet.

Maybe he’ll send me a check if I tip him off.

No he will encourage you to buy gold from his mass murdering African dictator friends financed by Pat Robertson.

Freedom gold baby!

142 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:40:29am

re: #137 ShaunP

Propensity to donate has more to do with life-cycle than income or political stance. Donors are typically 65+ years old, therefore the political party that contains a higher number of older people will contain more donors and give more money to charity. Actually the best donors are 65+ year old women…

As I said - for whatever reason, it holds true.

143 webevintage  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:41:00am

re: #135 Cato the Elder

I wonder if Glenn Beck has discovered Teddy R. as a bête noire yet.

Maybe he’ll send me a check if I tip him off.

Indeed he has.
In the Daily Show video he says that TR started the Progressive movement.

You know how he knows how he knows?
He did not get that formal education, oh no, he taught himself by getting those free (as in liberty lovin’ freedom) books at the library….

Yeah the place that is paid for by taxes to make sure everyone has access to information.
COMMIES…everywhere…

144 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:41:01am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

So that’s not the first full steam track jump into a crazychasm for him…

145 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:41:09am

re: #138 jamesfirecat

Heh point taken.

Any suggestions? >>

146 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:42:42am
“…That’s the problem when you start purging the unfaithful monkeys — it can be hard to know when to stop.”

But, hot damn, isn’t it fun watching them groom each other…?

147 jaunte  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:42:47am

re: #140 reine.de.tout

Some people have a strong preference for making an individual effort to help others. I can’t guess how that breaks across political lines.

148 ShaunP  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:42:48am

re: #142 reine.de.tout

As I said - for whatever reason, it holds true.

After seeing your second post, I understood your point better. Conservatives don’t hate poor people. I thought you were implying that one group cared more than the other. Check and check…

149 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:43:00am

Conservative bashing is fun. “conservatives like to screw poor people. conservatives are dumb”. Don’t go saying bad stuff about liberals though. No, sir, that’s just mean.

150 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:43:59am

re: #149 cliffster

Conservative bashing is fun. “conservatives like to screw poor people. conservatives are dumb”. Don’t go saying bad stuff about liberals though. No, sir, that’s just mean.

LOL.

151 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:44:04am

re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote

Just to continue the point.

I am always astounded at how things like that get brushed under the rug.

The wingnuts have been pushing gold and hysteria over the market for about a year now. Is it a coincidence that Robertson was Taylor’s man in DC?

Of course it isn’t.

I don’t know whether I am more appalled by the evil actions of the men involved or the fact that the typical American remembers this about as long as (s)he remembers last week’s lunch.

If people want to talk about the deep seated racism that is prevalent in America, I would point out that had Taylor been mass murdering white villages, Robertson and Beck would be tarred and feathered.

So if you ever think that racism is dead in America, or that you are not racist, then why is it you forget that story?

152 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:44:21am

If I was a lesbian i would be her.

153 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:45:40am

re: #149 cliffster

Conservative bashing is fun. “conservatives like to screw poor people. conservatives are dumb”. Don’t go saying bad stuff about liberals though. No, sir, that’s just mean.

That was last night - did you miss out?

154 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:46:02am

re: #145 windsagio

Heh point taken.

Any suggestions? >>

We’ve already used up Liberty, Democratic and Progress so let me reach into the big bin full of “good sounding words” and see how we can turn them into party names….


(Pulls out card)

“Freedom”

From now on we’ll be “Freers”

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:47:28am

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Progressive is not a “new” name for people on the left.

“In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]”

This is all true, however, it’s also true that the term-of-dismissal on right-leaning blogs has gone from ‘lib’ to ‘prog’ in the past three months or so.

156 windsagio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:47:33am

re: #154 jamesfirecat

Too close to ‘freeper’ imo, thats a connotation we don’t want.

hrmm… Now I have to think of something.

Is “visionaries” too grandiose? >>

157 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:47:41am

re: #154 jamesfirecat

That’s insulting. We prefer Freedomatics. Rhymes with automatic.

158 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:47:59am

Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:47:59am

re: #143 webevintage

Shows you how ahead of his time Ben Franklin was. A commie before Marx was even born…

/

160 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:48:09am

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be Libtard to Proglodyte.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:48:26am

re: #118 Obdicut

“Progressives” in San Francisco, at any rate, started calling themselves that to differentiate themselves from more corporate-style Democrats.

That’s where I’m familiar with the usage from.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:49:05am

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

I was going to comment thoughtfully on the evolution of the term progressive and how it has seemed to be the feel the hate phrase for more than some months…

However,

With this revelation, did I mention that I always thought you were awesome, and may I hit on you a little ;)

Go ahead, but I’m married. And on the internet, so for all you know, I may be a teenage boy.

:)

163 Soap_Man  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:49:07am

re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

When liberals started self identifying as progressives. Oh, about June of 2008.

It happened before that. I remember a West Wing episode in 2006 where Alan Alda’s character makes a joke about Jimmy Smits’ character. It was along the lines of “You liberals, oh wait, what are you calling yourself now? Progressives?”

164 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:49:07am

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

This is all true, however, it’s also true that the term-of-dismissal on right-leaning blogs has gone from ‘lib’ to ‘prog’ in the past three months or so.

Longer than that. It dates back a couple of election cycles, when liberals retreated from the label “liberal” and sought to re-christen themselves “progressives”.

165 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:49:09am

re: #156 windsagio

Too close to ‘freeper’ imo, thats a connotation we don’t want.

hrmm… Now I have to think of something.

Is “visionaries” too grandiose? >>

A bit to grand.

Here’s a better one.

We’re envisioners.

As in people who envision a better world than the one we live in!

166 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:49:23am

YAF leaders seem to have a history of bigotry and run ins with the law the past few years. O’Keefe, Sorba, Bristow…

167 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:49:45am

re: #149 cliffster

Conservative bashing is fun. “conservatives like to screw poor people. conservatives are dumb”. Don’t go saying bad stuff about liberals though. No, sir, that’s just mean.

So again Cliff, how about Robertson, a scion of the “conservatives” pimping his gold deals with Taylor to W. Bush (the scion of the conservatives) and having guys like Beck pimp financing the whole mass murdering enterprise, does not qualify as conservatives screwing poor people?

Well ok if by screwing you mean wholesale murder, rape and pillage at least?

The thing about conservatives that gets me is their willful blindness.

Yes some are dumb. They are so dumb that they miss out on the part where they are evil as well.

And what about encouraging executions of gay men?

Not exactly a liberal thing?

Or all that talk of secession… Yes a civil war would be grand. Raise the Dixie flag. And let’s be clear here, the Dixie flag is and should be seen as a swastica. It stands for the brutal enslavement, degradation and dehumanization of other humans.

But no, whine about how unfairly persecuted conservatives are. It is not as if they acknowledge that what they stand for is evil.

168 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:50:46am

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Go ahead, but I’m married. And on the internet, so for all you know, I may be a teenage boy.

:)

Arggg.. the married part is an issue.

I am pretty certain you are not a boy though.

169 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:50:47am

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Go ahead, but I’m married. And on the internet, so for all you know, I may be a teenage boy.

:)

I’m still using you as a reference on my +2 theory being correct. My birthday is this weekend and I’m hoping my wife hasn’t picked out my present yet.

170 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:51:13am

re: #139 karmic_inquisitor

That, or he fears that if he pulls the stick out of his ass he might want to stick something else up there.

A case of IPUFA if I’ve ever seen one.

Infinite Pole Up Finite Asshole.

171 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:51:54am

re: #169 RogueOne

Maybe your wife thinks you’d be two points hotter if you were bi, too.

172 webevintage  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:52:49am

I’d just as soon be called a liberal after the way some “progressives” have been freaking out all over the internet for the last 6 months.

I like being a liberal.
I am liberal with mercy and good times and booze and a bleeding heart for my fellow man and I love those socialist institutions like tax payer funded libraries.

173 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:53:09am

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

So again Cliff, how about Robertson, a scion of the “conservatives” pimping his gold deals with Taylor to W. Bush (the scion of the conservatives) and having guys like Beck pimp financing the whole mass murdering enterprise, does not qualify as conservatives screwing poor people?

Well ok if by screwing you mean wholesale murder, rape and pillage at least?

The thing about conservatives that gets me is their willful blindness.

Yes some are dumb. They are so dumb that they miss out on the part where they are evil as well.

And what about encouraging executions of gay men?

Not exactly a liberal thing?

Or all that talk of secession… Yes a civil war would be grand. Raise the Dixie flag. And let’s be clear here, the Dixie flag is and should be seen as a swastica. It stands for the brutal enslavement, degradation and dehumanization of other humans.

But no, whine about how unfairly persecuted conservatives are. It is not as if they acknowledge that what they stand for is evil.

I can’t think of many (if any) conservatives here who promote those things or who are big fans of Robertson.

Really.

The all encompassing “conservatives hate the poor”, etc. gets really really really really tiresome.

If you can’t see a difference between “conservatives” who promote the things you say or who support Robertson, and conservatives here, then I think you need to look a bit more deeply

174 ShaunP  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55:04am

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

So again Cliff, how about Robertson, a scion of the “conservatives” pimping his gold deals with Taylor to W. Bush (the scion of the conservatives) and having guys like Beck pimp financing the whole mass murdering enterprise, does not qualify as conservatives screwing poor people?

Well ok if by screwing you mean wholesale murder, rape and pillage at least?

The thing about conservatives that gets me is their willful blindness.

Yes some are dumb. They are so dumb that they miss out on the part where they are evil as well.

And what about encouraging executions of gay men?

Not exactly a liberal thing?

Or all that talk of secession… Yes a civil war would be grand. Raise the Dixie flag. And let’s be clear here, the Dixie flag is and should be seen as a swastica. It stands for the brutal enslavement, degradation and dehumanization of other humans.

But no, whine about how unfairly persecuted conservatives are. It is not as if they acknowledge that what they stand for is evil.

IMO, this line of thinking is not productive. It casts a wide swath of ill intent over tons of people because of their policy decisions. Given the time and space, I could make the argument that ALL POLITICIANS are evil. Don’t let the self-serving on one side blind you to the abuses on the other.

For the record, I’m not defending any of the items mentioned above, only applying the blame for those crimes to one half of the country…

175 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55:40am

re: #171 Obdicut

Maybe your wife thinks you’d be two points hotter if you were bi, too.

HA! Good point but no one is going to believe that. I’m already a solid 11!1!. Plus, everyone knows naked men are just gross. Oh, and you’re not helping either.

176 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:56:04am

re: #165 jamesfirecat

A bit to grand.

Here’s a better one.

We’re envisioners.

As in people who envision a better world than the one we live in!


That’s been the alibi for every bad political idea from the Left for the past 125 years.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:56:55am

re: #133 Bagua

Not surprising, he came across as a confrontational bully.

Clearly, he went up there expecting to be called out.

178 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:58:15am

re: #117 reine.de.tout

I’m a conservative.
I’m in favor of conservation efforts.
And while I like my pocket to be lined, it is not at the expense of poor people.

Interesting that studies show that, for whatever reason, conservatives charitable donations outpace that of liberals.

There are, however, plenty of self-designated “conservatives” who make a point of getting rich ripping off the disadvantaged. Viz. payday loan usurers, “rent-to-own” operators, real-estate sharks, ad infinitum. Their excuse is always “I’m providing a service.” Well, so is the local crack dealer.

And unlike the crack dealer, they have plenty of “conservative” politicians and lobbyists in their pockets to make sure their practices go on without let or hindrance.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:58:23am

re: #149 cliffster

Conservative bashing is fun. “conservatives like to screw poor people. conservatives are dumb”. Don’t go saying bad stuff about liberals though. No, sir, that’s just mean.

People go saying bad stuff about liberals on LGF all the time.

180 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:58:55am

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

So again Cliff, how about Robertson, a scion of the “conservatives” pimping his gold deals with Taylor to W. Bush (the scion of the conservatives) and having guys like Beck pimp financing the whole mass murdering enterprise, does not qualify as conservatives screwing poor people?

Well ok if by screwing you mean wholesale murder, rape and pillage at least?

The thing about conservatives that gets me is their willful blindness.

Yes some are dumb. They are so dumb that they miss out on the part where they are evil as well.

And what about encouraging executions of gay men?

Not exactly a liberal thing?

Or all that talk of secession… Yes a civil war would be grand. Raise the Dixie flag. And let’s be clear here, the Dixie flag is and should be seen as a swastica. It stands for the brutal enslavement, degradation and dehumanization of other humans.

But no, whine about how unfairly persecuted conservatives are. It is not as if they acknowledge that what they stand for is evil.

Yeah, and liberals are a bunch of lazy leeches that want other people to give them a free ride. Ho hum

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:59:17am

re: #154 jamesfirecat

We’ve already used up Liberty, Democratic and Progress so let me reach into the big bin full of “good sounding words” and see how we can turn them into party names…


(Pulls out card)

“Freedom”

From now on we’ll be “Freers”

Too hard to distinguish from ‘Freepers’ in casual conversation.

182 webevintage  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:00:45am

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Clearly, he went up there expecting to be called out.

I guess that is how you get your bona fides with the soc cons and FOX. Money and access and a place to spew the hate.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:01:14am

re: #164 The Sanity Inspector

Longer than that. It dates back a couple of election cycles, when liberals retreated from the label “liberal” and sought to re-christen themselves “progressives”.

It started earlier in the actual liberal community, but I’ve seen a real change in usage here on LGF and a couple other sites I read.

184 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:01:27am

Liberal” is, of course, one of those fine English words like “lady” and “welfare”, which has been spoiled by special pleading. When I say “liberals”, I certainly don’t mean open-handed individuals or tolerant persons - - - or even Big Government Democrats. I mean people who are excited that 1% of profits of Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream goes to promote world peace.
— P. J. O’Rourke

185 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:01:32am

re: #182 webevintage

I guess that is how you get your bona fides with the soc cons and FOX. Money and access and a place to spew the hate.

Who wants to be Americas next top jacka**?

186 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:01:56am

re: #173 reine.de.tout

re: #174 ShaunP

I really like both of you.

I think it is high time to wake up and smell the coffee.

What you mean by conservative is not what the leaders of the conservative movement are (ummm Bush and Robertson and all in this example, not small players right). They are not what most self described conservatives are. Look at the legions who agree with Beck, Palin and Rush et al.

The people who are conservative in the meaning of the word that obtains today, kicked people like you out.

They call you rinos and traitors and progressives.

You are not them.

You would do yourself a huge favor if you realized that whatever your movement was, it is not that anymore and has not been that for some time.

187 ShaunP  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:02:14am

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

People go saying bad stuff about liberals on LGF all the time.

It happens in both directions; you are just more likely to notice it and be offended when it’s constantly thrown in your face.

Racist to a conservative = socialist to a progressive

188 Racer X  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:03:00am

LOL!

189 cliffster  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:05:11am

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

People go saying bad stuff about liberals on LGF all the time.

I don’t think it’s anywhere near as blatantly insulting as the language used about conservatives. Or as matter of fact. Neither of us is really objective though.

190 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:08:56am

re: #132 windsagio

Oh I agree.

The left started to mainstream it after the right made ‘liberal’ sound all bad. The difference is that the language has shifted so much that now ‘progressive’ is the bad word. Expect the left to shift back to liberal soon :)

I’ve been “liberal” or “left” since Eisenhower. It’s rather woose to surrender a word. (Note that the GOP was the liberal party up through TR. He definitely would have been my choice, but I’m not that old.)

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:09:35am

re: #172 webevintage

I’d just as soon be called a liberal after the way some “progressives” have been freaking out all over the internet for the last 6 months.

I like being a liberal.
I am liberal with mercy and good times and booze and a bleeding heart for my fellow man and I love those socialist institutions like tax payer funded libraries.

Yeah. What she said.

192 ShaunP  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:10:07am

re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #174 ShaunP

You are not them.

FYI, I wouldn’t ever call myself “conservative”, so I am definitely not them…

I get what you are saying but I disagree. I just don’t think it’s productive. If you want to have a discussion about the poor choices and criminal behavior, that’s fine. I just personally think that the two sides have been vilifying each other for so long that it has become combative. It’s to the point where people can’t honestly look at someone on the other side of the political spectrum and say “I agree with that.” Everything about the opposition is evil and wrong. We as a country will never get anywhere with that attitude…

193 avanti  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:11:31am

re: #189 cliffster

I don’t think it’s anywhere near as blatantly insulting as the language used about conservatives. Or as matter of fact. Neither of us is really objective though.

I think the problem is that there are real conservatives, and the new, so called “conservatives” we often talk about that have hijacked the name. The, real conservatives have my respect and admiration, and we need them for balance. We don’t need the fringes from either side for that matter.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:11:31am

re: #189 cliffster

I don’t think it’s anywhere near as blatantly insulting as the language used about conservatives. Or as matter of fact. Neither of us is really objective though.

True, and I’m still carrying a head of steam from the bad old day on this blog.

195 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:14:17am

re: #193 avanti

I think that ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ are entirely arbitrary and false distinctions with no meaning, and that causes a lot of these arguments.

196 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:23:21am

re: #192 ShaunP

NO evil is evil It is better to call it what it is. That way it does not become respectable.

Consider the gold from Africa and the human cost of it. Consider the blood lining Beck and Robertson’s and Bush’s pockets from it.

That is evil.

Call it evil.

Do not dishonor or dehumanize the dead by making their murderers and those who enabled and financed their murders respectable.

197 rwdflynavy  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:41:01am

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

NO evil is evil It is better to call it what it is. That way it does not become respectable.

Consider the gold from Africa and the human cost of it. Consider the blood lining Beck and Robertson’s and Bush’s pockets from it.

That is evil.

Call it evil.

Do not dishonor or dehumanize the dead by making their murderers and those who enabled and financed their murders respectable.


Son, You are stuck on Evil!

198 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 12:08:42pm

re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #174 ShaunP

I really like both of you.

I think it is high time to wake up and smell the coffee.

What you mean by conservative is not what the leaders of the conservative movement are (ummm Bush and Robertson and all in this example, not small players right). They are not what most self described conservatives are. Look at the legions who agree with Beck, Palin and Rush et al.

The people who are conservative in the meaning of the word that obtains today, kicked people like you out.

They call you rinos and traitors and progressives.

You are not them.

You would do yourself a huge favor if you realized that whatever your movement was, it is not that anymore and has not been that for some time.

You are correct - I am NOT part of what the leaders of the current crop of political “conservatives”.

It doesn’t mean I’m not conservative.

And you are correct that a certain segment of those calling themselves “conservative” support the things you mention. I call them neanderthals.

199 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 12:10:43pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

There are, however, plenty of self-designated “conservatives” who make a point of getting rich ripping off the disadvantaged. Viz. payday loan usurers, “rent-to-own” operators, real-estate sharks, ad infinitum. Their excuse is always “I’m providing a service.” Well, so is the local crack dealer.

And unlike the crack dealer, they have plenty of “conservative” politicians and lobbyists in their pockets to make sure their practices go on without let or hindrance.

Agreed there are plenty of folks who take advantage of the needy. More than enough, and I have no respect for people who do that. None. The fact that some people who identify as “conservative” do those things, does not mean it is a “conservative” value of some sort.

200 BunnyThief  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 1:31:01pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

I’m a conservative.
I’m in favor of conservation efforts.
And while I like my pocket to be lined, it is not at the expense of poor people.

Interesting that studies show that, for whatever reason, conservatives charitable donations outpace that of liberals.

The way I’ve always understood it is that liberals are far more generous — when it’s other people’s money.

Conservatives are more generous with their own money.

201 affenkopf  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 1:35:35pm

La révolution dévore ses enfants

202 dean_k  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 1:46:12pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh I know. Please don’t think I’m an apologist.

203 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 1:51:46pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

This guy Ryan Sorba needs to get a blowjob.

Adrian Cronauer: You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.

Good Morning Vietnam!

204 m0rtaar  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 2:00:31pm
For months, Hot Air listed Little Green Footballs under “Left Channels” before delinking us altogether, as a way of punishing me for leaving the right wing reservation.

Don’t you think that’s a bit disingenuous Charles? I’m surprised they kept LGF on their blogrolls as long as they did, after the orchestrated attack using their comments to paint Hot Air as a hotbed of bigotry/racism/antipathy towards Muslims/hatred against liberals/etc. ad nauseum.

I happen to read both LGF and Hot Air and enjoy both for their different perspectives, but I was very surprised what seemed to me as a personal vendetta coming from this site. Aren’t we supposed to argue our positions from logic, leaving aside any subjective prerogatives?

I saw nothing in the writings of Allahpundit or Ed to finger them as bigots.

205 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 2:09:11pm

re: #204 m0rtaar

Don’t you think that’s a bit disingenuous Charles? I’m surprised they kept LGF on their blogrolls as long as they did, after the orchestrated attack using their comments to paint Hot Air as a hotbed of bigotry/racism/antipathy towards Muslims/hatred against liberals/etc. ad nauseum.

“Orchestrated attack?” Is that somehow worse than an “improvised attack?” What does that even mean, anyway?

If you’re trying to insinuate, once again, that I was somehow connected to or responsible for the infamous Killgore Trout comment strafing run, I’ve said over and over that I had absolutely nothing to do with that, and that if I’d known he was going to do it, I would have asked him not to. But having said that, the point behind his little escapade has been proven time and again — there were and are frequent openly racist comments posted there, and they did nothing to discourage them.

I make no apologies for pointing out that the Hot Air comments sections have some of the most extreme comments on any right wing site.

206 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 2:09:30pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Yawn.

You used stereotypical remarks that you applied to gay men. I hope some day people won’t even be wired to do that.

I hope for the same thing Walter, across the board. When folk will just see other people as “folk,” and move on with their lives.

207 mich-again  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 3:58:49pm
“Civil rights are grounded in natural rights, and natural rights are grounded in human nature…and the intelligible end of the reproductive act is reproduction…civil rights, when they conflict with natural rights, are contrary…”

I disagree with that. Instinctive human nature knows nothing about granting any rights to anyone other than people who are in your family. Humans are not wired to sacrifice what is theirs to provide for others not in their family or “tribe”.

If that were human nature then why did Jesus have to come to save anyone? Riddle me that.

208 mich-again  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 4:03:51pm

re: #204 m0rtaar

after the orchestrated attack using their comments to paint Hot Air as a hotbed of bigotry/racism/antipathy towards Muslims/hatred against liberals/etc. ad nauseum.

Wait a minute there. The Hot Air commenters did all the “painting”. What you are saying is like blaming the light in the kitchen for the cockroaches.

209 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 23, 2010 5:00:11pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Gay-Bashing CPACer Has Checkered Legal History

Great. His family lives 20 minutes from my family.

meh.

Highland is a shithole, btw…

Figures.

210 m0rtaar  Wed, Feb 24, 2010 12:00:00pm

re: #205 Charles

If you’re trying to insinuate, once again

Actually, this is the first time I’ve made a comment on this. I’m assuming that you mean others have commented about Killgore Trout’s ‘strafing run’. :-)

And I agree with you, he shouldn’t have done this. I also agree with you that Hot Air should be more draconian in enforcing their terms of use.

I’m trying to make the point that Hot Air probably bumped LGF over the “comments war”, not over the fact that you left the ‘right wing reservation’.

211 m0rtaar  Wed, Feb 24, 2010 12:03:41pm

re: #208 mich-again

I’m sure we both agree that Hot Air should be more strict in enforce their commenting rules.

But just because one’s kitchen has cockroaches (to use your simile), doesn’t mean that the kitchen is dirty. I honestly don’t believe that Allahpundit and Ed have extremist noxious viewpoints.

212 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 24, 2010 12:19:04pm

re: #210 m0rtaar

Actually, this is the first time I’ve made a comment on this. I’m assuming that you mean others have commented about Killgore Trout’s ‘strafing run’. :-)

And I agree with you, he shouldn’t have done this. I also agree with you that Hot Air should be more draconian in enforcing their terms of use.

I’m trying to make the point that Hot Air probably bumped LGF over the “comments war”, not over the fact that you left the ‘right wing reservation’.

And you’re being really obtuse if you don’t see that Hot Air has tacked really far to the right since the presidential election, and deliberately panders to the extremist elements. They only started to enforce their own rules after KT made that stink.

How exactly does it make sense to put LGF under “Left Channels” because I criticized their extreme comments?

And that’s far from the only problem with Hot Air — they also feature articles by a white supremacist, Robert Stacy McCain. But that’s par for the course in the right wing blogosphere these days.


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