I loved Beck's "Chalk Caddies" are they actually named "Thomas" and "Pain"?

Progressives are slow... unarmed... communists?

He brought his chalkboard with him? I wonder if he realizes he's jumped the shark.

re: #1 jamesfirecat

I loved Beck's "Chalk Caddies" are they actually named "Thomas" and "Pain"?

You're not seriously asking that question, are you?

Oh and I also love

"And we never got it back."

Especially since it was FDR who singed the Cullen-Harrison Act, and commented "I think this would be a good time for a beer."

And the irony of the Beckies is that mean revolution with a gun...

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

You're not seriously asking that question, are you?

If Glenn Beck was a James Bond Villain, I can imagine him calling them that...

Damn socialist libaries, letting an idiot like Beck close to those "free" books.

Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich! Charles, thank you for this video. Still cracks me up!

re: #2 lawhawk

Progressives are slow... unarmed... communists?

Yes, with goatees and penises.

Guntal floss.

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Hey, we're just asking the questions here.

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re: #11 Killgore Trout

I cracked up when she picked her teeth with the gun.

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

And the irony of the Beckies is that mean revolution with a gun...

I'm certain that there is a contingent of far right conservatives who would love to take their concerns to the streets with guns.

But that's not all just conservatives. Some of this sort of mentality depends on the region. I live in the West, in the mountains, there is sort of a "off grid" mentality attached to living up here. There are different political dynamics going on in regards to certain issues between liberal and conservatives.

There is a lot of agreement in regards to government intrusion in ones life. There's an interesting mixture of crazy going on.

Stormfront Nazis are having fits about LGF today. 66 hits from their website so far today.

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Re: "Little Green Footballs" - The Warmongering Israel-Firster Website Complains About Our Often Support Of Ron Pau

That chickenhawk who runs Little Green Footballs should be dropped in front of a squad of Basij militia.

re: #13 Charles

I cracked up when she picked her teeth with the gun.

My favorite use of a gun for a mundane purpose was when Homer used his to turn on the TV, and after managing to make the shot (after missing once or twice) it turns on a program just in time to see a cowboy holding his chest as he falls from a roof.

Sadly can't find the clip on Youtube...

Our Often Support of Ron Pau

New rotating gibberish.

re: #15 Charles

Stormfront Nazis are having fits about LGF today. 66 hits from their website so far today.

So seriously Charles, being hated by white trash nazi scum is a compliment.

I consider it an endorsement.

Sunshine Superman

OOO, YOU LEAVE TR ALONE, GLENN BECK!

This self-professed leftie admires TR tremendously.

Hi I'm Glenn Beck. Blah blah blah socialist Marxists, progressives, income taxes, no choices blah blah... How did I learn about all this? I went to the library, books are free. They appear out of thin air at my command, unlike progressive libraries that use socialist tax dollars.

re: #20 abbyadams

TR could beat Glen Beck to death with his piece of chalk. Not that he'd waste the time.

The man gave a speech after being shot. A long speech. After being shot.

re: #15 Charles

That chickenhawk who runs Little Green Footballs should be dropped in front of a squad of Basij militia.

The irony of the fact that the Basij occupy nearly the exacty same space on the political spectrum must be completely lost on Stormfronters.

re: #16 jamesfirecat

My favorite use of a gun for a mundane purpose was when Homer used his to turn on the TV, and after managing to make the shot (after missing once or twice) it turns on a program just in time to see a cowboy holding his chest as he falls from a roof.

Sadly can't find the clip on Youtube...

I think my favorite is when mobsters tell Homer they are going to pistol whip him, and he immediately starts dreaming about eating a giant tub of "kool whip" using a pistol as a utensil.

re: #15 Charles

Stormfront Nazis are having fits about LGF today. 66 hits from their website so far today.

"Our often support of Ron Paul..."?

Litterucy iz a Zionust conspeeracy.

This is a point I made earlier, but I think should be elaborated on so that feelings are not hurt. I want to address those respectable and good folks here who still call themselves conservative.

There is a difference between bashing conservatives (as they are today) and bashing those people who were conservative but whose movement has left them.

I think it is high time to wake up and smell the coffee.

What you mean by conservative is not what the leaders of the conservative movement are or mean by the word. Is being a follower of Robertson or Huckabee or the theocrats conservative like you? Is open hatred of gay people one of your conservative values? Conservative is not what most self described conservatives are today. Look at the legions who agree with Beck, Palin and Rush et al. Are you like them?

The people who are conservative in the meaning of the word that obtains today, kicked people like you out.

They call you rinos and traitors and progressives.

You are not them.

You would do yourself a huge favor if you realized that whatever your movement was, it is not that anymore and has not been that for some time.

re: #20 abbyadams

OOO, YOU LEAVE TR ALONE, GLENN BECK!

This self-professed leftie admires TR tremendously.

Yeah. The Teddy Roosevelt bashing got my blood boiling. Glen Beck isn't half the man TR was. Hell, he isn't 10 percent of the man Teddy was.

I hope his ghost shows up and Judo-kicks Beck in the forehead.

re: #22 Obdicut

TR could beat Glen Beck to death with his piece of chalk. Not that he'd waste the time.

The man gave a speech after being shot. A long speech. After being shot.

To be fair I understand that the bullet was made slightly less dangerous because it passed through his glasses case and the papers he had written his speech on before it him. So in that case the fact that it was a long speech might have been in Teddy's favor.

Still that guy had balls of steel especially given that he started out life with asthma, "Death had to take Roosevelt sleeping, for if he had been awake, there would have been a fight."

re: #27 Soap_Man

Yeah. The Teddy Roosevelt bashing got my blood boiling. Glen Beck isn't half the man TR was. Hell, he isn't 10 percent of the man Teddy was.

I hope his ghost shows up and Judo-kicks Beck in the forehead.

Psssttt... Don't tell Beck, that in those days, the progressives were the GOP... and that TR was a Republican...

re: #22 Obdicut

TR could beat Glen Beck to death with his piece of chalk. Not that he'd waste the time.

The man gave a speech after being shot. A long speech. After being shot.

I'm now having a vivid image of Teddy Roosevelt beating Glenn Beck to death with chalk. And then making a speech about it.

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you for explaining to me what I am. I would have never known.

/

re: #23 drcordell

The irony of the fact that the Basij occupy nearly the exacty same space on the political spectrum must be completely lost on Stormfronters.

Irrevelevent to them, because they don't share the same skin shade or religion.

re: #22 Obdicut

Theodore Rex, and the rest of the volumes of Edmund Morris are a great read.

The 5 Most Badass Presidents of All-Time

Unsurprisingly, Teddy is ranked #1.

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

And I'll repeat what I said:

I think that 'liberal' and 'conservative' are entirely arbitrary and false distinctions with no meaning, and that causes a lot of these arguments.

re: #31 Racer X

Thank you for explaining to me what I am. I would have never known.

/

Cleared things up for me too!

re: #33 abbyadams

Yeah, I've read 'em. Very, very well-written and researched. Loved how much time they spent on his academic pursuits.

re: #31 Racer X

Thank you for explaining to me what I am. I would have never known.

/

Dude, it was an attempt to differentiate you from those who deserve the wrath and disgust they get directed to them.

If you think that Beck and Palin and Rush and Robertson are good smart folks then say so and I can properly classify you.

re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote

That's no bull. Moose.

re: #35 Obdicut

And I'll repeat what I said:

I think that 'liberal' and 'conservative' are entirely arbitrary and false distinctions with no meaning, and that causes a lot of these arguments.

Do you have some other designations in mind?

re: #27 Soap_Man

Yeah. The Teddy Roosevelt bashing got my blood boiling. Glen Beck isn't half the man TR was. Hell, he isn't 10 percent of the man Teddy was.

I hope his ghost shows up and Judo-kicks Beck in the forehead.

Teddy is busy. He might send Alice. She can handle Beck.

re: #35 Obdicut

And I'll repeat what I said:

I think that 'liberal' and 'conservative' are entirely arbitrary and false distinctions with no meaning, and that causes a lot of these arguments.

Can we check the 'not really a joiner' box?

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

And shouting "Bully!" while he did it... ;)

re: #31 Racer X

Thank you for explaining to me what I am. I would have never known.

/

Yes... you're just a thete in search of a phyle.

re: #39 lawhawk

That's no bull. Moose.

Really, he was a Bull moose when he was President?

Sorry, I have to call you on that :)

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude, it was an attempt to differentiate you from those who deserve the wrath and disgust they get directed to them.

If you think that Beck and Palin and Rush and Robertson are good smart folks then say so and I can properly classify you.

Ima keep it sekrit mkay?

/

I'm in a class all by myself tyvm.

re: #34 Soap_Man

The 5 Most Badass Presidents of All-Time

Unsurprisingly, Teddy is ranked #1.

I can't access it. How high did Andrew Jackson get?

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

No. I don't think that any simple duality could possibly accurately represent it. I think the terms, and others like them, are just used by politicians and parties to create artificial alliances that quickly diverge from their origins.

I'm kind of Washingtonian about it.

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably pretty high since he attacked a would-be assassin armed with pistols with his cane.

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't access it. How high did Andrew Jackson get?

#5

re: #48 Obdicut

No. I don't think that any simple duality could possibly accurately represent it. I think the terms, and others like them, are just used by politicians and parties to create artificial alliances that quickly diverge from their origins.

I'm kind of Washingtonian about it.

I was serious in my question. Then how would you attempt to delineate one political philosophy from another?

re: #46 Racer X

Ima keep it sekrit mkay?

/

I'm in a class all by myself tyvm.

OK then don't take offense when I point out the evil, racist, ignorant, homophobic, theocratic, anti-American, anti-constitution, anti-human rights aspects of the conservatives. If you are in a class of your own, you are not them.

OT:

Anyone here speak Turkish?

A friend's website was hacked and the intruder left the following message: "Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye. Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane."

My attempt to get a machine translation resulted in gibberish.

Any clues?

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't access it. How high did Andrew Jackson get?

It goes like this.

5) Andrew Jackson
4) JFK (doesn't belong on the list, if you ask me. They took the chauvinist approach and gave him a lot of credit for the amount of women he slept with)
3) John Quincy Adams
2) George Washington
1) Teddy

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

I was serious in my question. Then how would you attempt to delineate one political philosophy from another?

Through actual political discussions about individual issues and challenges facing our nation. Not arbitrary labels that really don't mean anything substantive.

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

OK then don't take offense when I point out the evil, racist, ignorant, homophobic, theocratic, anti-American, anti-constitution, anti-human rights aspects of the conservatives. If you are in a class of your own, you are not them.

You forgot "anti Ben and Jerry's"

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't access it. How high did Andrew Jackson get?

He was ranked number 5

Four was JFK for using his family's political connections to weasel his way INTO military service despite possibly being rather sub optimally qualified for it, then proceeded to state that it took about three women a day to satisfy him.

Third was John Quincy Adams for his love of.. well making love our doors, swimming across the Potomac river nude, and keeping an alligator for a pet.

Second was George Washington for being somehow magically bullet proof...

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

Re: Conservatism

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

You forgot "anti Ben and Jerry's"

Bad for children and other living things. He forgot that one, too.

re: #55 drcordell

Through actual political discussions about individual issues and challenges facing our nation. Not arbitrary labels that really don't mean anything substantive.

That's no fun.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

OT:

Anyone here speak Turkish?

A friend's website was hacked and the intruder left the following message: "Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye. Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane."

My attempt to get a machine translation resulted in gibberish.

Any clues?

One of my co-workers does actually, let me run it past him.

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

By much, much finer distinctions. Also, the outputs of the same political philosophy held by two different people can be so different I'm not sure there is any point to distinguishing things at all.

re: #54 Soap_Man

It goes like this.

5) Andrew Jackson
4) JFK (doesn't belong on the list, if you ask me. They took the chauvinist approach and gave him a lot of credit for the amount of women he slept with)
3) John Quincy Adams
2) George Washington
1) Teddy

JFK stared straight into the face of a nuclear exchange, and sent the Navy anyway.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

OT:

Anyone here speak Turkish?

A friend's website was hacked and the intruder left the following message: "Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye. Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane."

My attempt to get a machine translation resulted in gibberish.

Any clues?

I think "amiyane" is a turkish blog?

re: #54 Soap_Man

It goes like this.

5) Andrew Jackson
4) JFK (doesn't belong on the list, if you ask me. They took the chauvinist approach and gave him a lot of credit for the amount of women he slept with)
3) John Quincy Adams
2) George Washington
1) Teddy

JFK is not my idea of a badass, no. What's with Adams? I don't know a lot about his presidency.

re: #34 Soap_Man

I heard that Truman was pissed he was missing from that list - a) he was in WWI and while in charge of an artillery battalion came under attack from the Germans. "During a sudden attack by the Germans in the Vosges Mountains, the battery started to disperse; Truman ordered them back into position using profanities that he had "learned while working on the Santa Fe railroad."[23] Shocked by the outburst, his men reassembled and followed him to safety". He cursed his men into action. And won.

Oh, and he dropped the Bomb. The A Bomb. In cracked.com world - that's the f'n bomb. It's so big that you capitalize it. /

re: #54 Soap_Man

It goes like this.

5) Andrew Jackson
4) JFK (doesn't belong on the list, if you ask me. They took the chauvinist approach and gave him a lot of credit for the amount of women he slept with)
3) John Quincy Adams
2) George Washington
1) Teddy

re: #63 Decatur Deb

JFK stared straight into the face of a nuclear exchange, and sent the Navy anyway.

Are we really arguing the merits of Cracked magazine's political reporting?

re: #62 Obdicut

By much, much finer distinctions. Also, the outputs of the same political philosophy held by two different people can be so different I'm not sure there is any point to distinguishing things at all.

I'll agree with that. I'm all over the place myself, there is no way you could put me in one bucket or another. And frequently cannot even tell someone in 10 words or less what my politics are.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

OT:

Anyone here speak Turkish?

A friend's website was hacked and the intruder left the following message: "Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye. Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane."

My attempt to get a machine translation resulted in gibberish.

Any clues?

He's translating now... expecting a call back shortly.

re: #57 jamesfirecat

George was a bit of an outdoorsman in his younger days. Surveyor and also working with a land company in the "Ohio Country". Crossed some fairly nasty terrain in western PA in the dead of winter if I recall to deliver a message to the French asking them to clear off. (Credit as well to his guide, one Christopher Gist if I recall correctly.)

re: #63 Decatur Deb

JFK stared straight into the face of a nuclear exchange, and sent the Navy anyway.

The list was based mostly on personal accomplishments unrelated to what they did in office. They talk about stuff that happened while in office, but mostly things unrelated to the job itself. For example, almost everything from Washington was about his service as general, not president. Most of the things about Teddy were about his badass hobbies. Etc.

re: #54 Soap_Man

It goes like this.

5) Andrew Jackson
4) JFK (doesn't belong on the list, if you ask me. They took the chauvinist approach and gave him a lot of credit for the amount of women he slept with)
3) John Quincy Adams
2) George Washington
1) Teddy

Hey, I feel JFK does deserve some credit for the entire fact that he used his family's connections to make sure get SENT TO WAR during WW2 rather than to get sent to the national guard like so many others did during Vietnam, that and the entire managing to drag a crew mate to safety by holding onto the guy's lifejacket with his teeth thing...

re: #67 ShaunP

Lost me on Cracked. Do they still publish?

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

Really, he was a Bull moose when he was President?

Sorry, I have to call you on that :)

TR formed the Bull Moose party in a schism with the GOP in the 1912 race that saw him lose to Taft in the primary. He then attempted a 3d party run. And lost. Many of his followers ended up going over to the Democrats - New Deal Democrats at that. (short history).

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Lost me on Cracked. Do they still publish?

got shot in the arm with the internet and Digg.

re: #67 ShaunP

Are we really arguing the merits of Cracked magazine's political reporting?

LOL. Good point.

re: #71 Soap_Man

The list was based mostly on personal accomplishments unrelated to what they did in office. They talk about stuff that happened while in office, but mostly things unrelated to the job itself. For example, almost everything from Washington was about his service as general, not president. Most of the things about Teddy were about his badass hobbies. Etc.

OK, then. Going after Japanese destroyers in a plywood PT ain't shabby.

re: #71 Soap_Man

The list was based mostly on personal accomplishments unrelated to what they did in office. They talk about stuff that happened while in office, but mostly things unrelated to the job itself. For example, almost everything from Washington was about his service as general, not president. Most of the things about Teddy were about his badass hobbies. Etc.

Well then that raises the question is it about "the most badass people who were ever president" or "the most badass things done by a sitting president"?

And I realize how silly this debate is...

re: #53 Cato the Elder

I was not familiar with unnecessary inuendo, always the same chanted phrase 'Amiyani bi'.

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

JFK is not my idea of a badass, no. What's with Adams? I don't know a lot about his presidency.

From the article:

With his father away from home most of the time busying himself with the rebel cause, Adams, at age eight, was the man of the house. As if ensuring the safety and prosperity of an entire house before you even hit puberty isn't daunting enough, Adams had to do it all during a fucking war. He, in fact, often talked about watching the battle of Bunker Hill from his front porch, constantly worried about being, as he wrote in his diary, "butchered in cold blood, or taken and carried...as hostages by any foraging or marauding detachment of British soldiers." Remember when you were eight and you worried about missing Pokemon? Yeah. If you're feeling, perhaps, a little wet right now, it's because the ghost of an eight year old John Quincy Adams is pissing all over you as you read this.

re: #67 ShaunP

Are we really arguing the merits of Cracked magazine's political reporting?

One of the more pleasant things to argue about.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

OT:

Anyone here speak Turkish?

A friend's website was hacked and the intruder left the following message: "Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye. Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane."

My attempt to get a machine translation resulted in gibberish.

Any clues?

Familiar unnecessary insinuation. The Colloquial ‘tabir’ is always the same old refrain.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

In my experience, most Turkish-based hacks have something to do with arguments about the Armenian genocide, or lack thereof.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

OT:

Anyone here speak Turkish?

A friend's website was hacked and the intruder left the following message: "Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye. Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane."

My attempt to get a machine translation resulted in gibberish.

Any clues?

Amiyane bi tabir (a name)

[Link: gerrain.blogspot.com...]

Another note:

For all my bashing on conservatives, I shall bash on the liberals now.

The gravest sin of the liberals is misplaced demands for sympathy and understanding to those who were clearly understood and are not sympathetic.

By suddenly describing, soft euphemisms and relativism as the "high road" we have been castrated as a culture when it comes to confronting real evils.

Darth Vader was misunderstood. See it from his point of view, it is just as valid as yours...

Charles Manson wasn't breast fed, it is not his fault.

Don't call evil evil, because it hurts the feelings of evil people. And there is no such thing as evil anyway. It is a judgmental word and we must expunge it from our more enlightened thinking.

A simple truth is that when you are merciful to those who deserve justice, you will inevitably be cruel to those who deserve mercy.

If you treat the stormfront monster as less than a monster, than you give him room and legitimacy to promote his evil agenda that will get innocent people killed.

If you say that the theocrats and anti-Americans of the modern conservative movement are just disagreeing - as if their views are valid, you validate evil when they talk of secession, racism, homophobia, anti-science, and tearing down your personal privacy.

If you cast thae AGW debate as just a debate, between equal parties, then you are condemning your children to horrors that will make the second world war pale in comparison.

Here is another truth.

In a place where there are no men, strive to be a man.

Do not give into the cowardice of avoiding confrontation. There is more at stake than just you if you are confronting evil.

re: #74 lawhawk

TR formed the Bull Moose party in a schism with the GOP in the 1912 race that saw him lose to Taft in the primary. He then attempted a 3d party run. And lost. Many of his followers ended up going over to the Democrats - New Deal Democrats at that. (short history).

But he started as a Republican which was my only real point.

We can both agree on the history :)

re: #67 ShaunP

Are we really arguing the merits of Cracked magazine's political reporting?

Well, it is more entertaining than Beck. And mind you that we're discussing Beck via Jon Stewart. Jon frakkin Stewart. On Comedy Central.

Glenn Beck et al. to old-fashioned conservatives: "All your movement is belong to us."

Hysterical hyperbole.

re: #82 Bagua

Familiar unnecessary insinuation. The Colloquial ‘tabir’ is always the same old refrain.

My coworker's translation was similar:

Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye
"I was not familiar with your unnecessary expression (or reference, allusion)"

Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane
"[Amiyane] always the same, chant it"

He wasn't sure exactly what "amiyane" meant. He believes it is a Persian based word, possibly some Turkish hacker slang he isn't familiar with.

re: #87 lawhawk

Well, it is more entertaining than Beck. And mind you that we're discussing Beck via Jon Stewart. Jon frakkin Stewart. On Comedy Central.

What's wrong with "Jon 'frakkin' Stewart" I don't watch that much media, but I don't rember any other news channel bringing to light just how horrible those Hamas Cartoons were...

re: #83 Obdicut

In my experience, most Turkish-based hacks have something to do with arguments about the Armenian genocide, or lack thereof.

Google this phrase "Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane" It seems to have been used a number of times around a number of sites. Don't know what it means.

re: #34 Soap_Man

The 5 Most Badass Presidents of All-Time

Unsurprisingly, Teddy is ranked #1.

Jackson:
When the 1828 election rolled around, a lot of people were terrified when they heard Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson was running. If you're wondering how a guy we're calling a bad ass got such a lame nickname, it's because he used to carry a hickory cane around and beat people senseless with it, and if you're wondering why he did that, it's because he was a fucking lunatic.

hahahaha

Though I have always admired Jackson for the way he stood up to people who would besmirch his wife's name.
Loyalty is sexy in a man.

I love the idea of Obama carrying one of those little collapsible Ben Linus sticks. No one expects the nerdy guy.

re: #90 drcordell

Amiyane means 'colloquial'. So they are talking about always the same colloquial chant.

I was not familiar with unnecessary innuendo. Always the same chant bi Amiyane expression.

re: #61 drcordell

re: #64 Buck

re: #79 Bagua

re: #83 Obdicut

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

re: #90 drcordell

Thanks, all.

Very strange. The hacked website belongs to a private museum here in Baltimore. Not sure what the Turkish phrase could possibly mean in reference to it.

re: #89 Bagua

Typical lies and distortions that are unsubstantiated and spewed by an evil person.

Scum to be precise.

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Upding, but just because I'm understanding and sympathetic.

re: #91 jamesfirecat

That's not meant as an attack on Stewart as it is of the rest of the media. Where's the rest of the media to provide actual news and analysis. Instead, we're left with Comedy Central's Jon Stewart to ridicule Beck's insanities?

This isn't the first time Stewart has handled news items that the rest of the media has simply ignored. It's little wonder that more people check out his show for news than actual news outlets. It's also more than a little sad that it's come to that.

re: #90 drcordell

My coworker's translation was similar:

Aşina değildim lüzumsuz kinaye
"I was not familiar with your unnecessary expression (or reference, allusion)"

Amiyane bi tabir hep ayni terane
"[Amiyane] always the same, chant it"

He wasn't sure exactly what "amiyane" meant. He believes it is a Persian based word, possibly some Turkish hacker slang he isn't familiar with.

Maybe from a song...

:My sincere feelings in my head, man, unfortunately I on individual in the doldrums.
I was not familiar with unnecessary innuendo, an expression amiyane same chant.
Not to rub together two lira in my pocket, I inatlaş with life after my dream.
Then allow a dignified expression, dervish-i vine Laedri pseudonym ... "

[Link: www.atauniv.com...]

re: #99 lawhawk

That's not meant as an attack on Stewart as it is of the rest of the media. Where's the rest of the media to provide actual news and analysis. Instead, we're left with Comedy Central's Jon Stewart to ridicule Beck's insanities?

This isn't the first time Stewart has handled news items that the rest of the media has simply ignored. It's little wonder that more people check out his show for news than actual news outlets. It's also more than a little sad that it's come to that.

Its more like a lot sad if you ask me, but apparently these days its not news to call a loon a loon so instead if you want to talk about them realistically (and give them the mock them you need to do it from a "comedy" show...

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

Typical lies and distortions that are unsubstantiated and spewed by an evil person.

Scum to be precise.

You are a disturbed individual.

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

Typical lies and distortions that are unsubstantiated and spewed by an evil person.

Scum to be precise.

maybe his pockets, like those of Bush, Beck, and Robertson, are lined with blood from African gold.

Most Badass Quote:
"I have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun."

That's right. In a life rich with murdering people for little-to-no reason, Jackson's only regret was that he didn't kill quite enough people. People like Calhoun who, it should be noted, was Jackson's vice president.

re: #99 lawhawk

That's not meant as an attack on Stewart as it is of the rest of the media. Where's the rest of the media to provide actual news and analysis. Instead, we're left with Comedy Central's Jon Stewart to ridicule Beck's insanities?

This isn't the first time Stewart has handled news items that the rest of the media has simply ignored. It's little wonder that more people check out his show for news than actual news outlets. It's also more than a little sad that it's come to that.

The rest of the media is keeping their powder dry until closer to the elections, when it will make more sense to deploy.

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

By suddenly describing, soft euphemisms and relativism as the "high road" we have been castrated as a culture when it comes to confronting real evils.

Darth Vader was misunderstood. See it from his point of view, it is just as valid as yours...

Charles Manson wasn't breast fed, it is not his fault.

Don't call evil evil, because it hurts the feelings of evil people

Yes, this is a big problem we have these days.

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Maybe from a song...

:My sincere feelings in my head, man, unfortunately I on individual in the doldrums.
I was not familiar with unnecessary innuendo, an expression amiyane same chant.
Not to rub together two lira in my pocket, I inatlaş with life after my dream.
Then allow a dignified expression, dervish-i vine Laedri pseudonym ... "

[Link: www.atauniv.com...]

Album Blockade Alarm by Süveyda

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Charles Manson wasn't breast fed, it is not his fault.

Who, exactly, are you quoting?

The "liberal" and "conservative" labels stopped making sense once wedge issues were drawn out of a hat to form platforms that aren't internally consistent, but drive votes.

Seriously, why is it that in America, if I know your stance on gun ownership, I also know your stance on abortion, the death penalty, global warming, tax policy, health care, etc?

That makes no sense. The arguments do not follow from one another in any way without tortuously circuitous back-reasoning. Yet for some reason, one arbitrary group of disconnected beliefs is "liberal", and one is "conservative." It's maddening.

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

Typical lies and distortions that are unsubstantiated and spewed by an evil person.

Scum to be precise.

Why do you attack me on a thread in which I have said nothing to you? What is your problem?

re: #53 Cato the Elder

Looks like a tag line for the hacker GHoST61.

re: #105 SixDegrees

The rest of the media is keeping their powder dry until closer to the elections, when it will make more sense to deploy.

I respond with a profound "meh" the rest of the media should be calling out this kind of crazy every time it happens wherever and whenever it happens.

The problem to me is that in the media no longer wants to actually give us "news" they no longer want to tell us facts and who is right and who is wrong. Thus they make things like global warming seem to be a reasonable debate when it isn't...

re: #103 Guanxi88

maybe his pockets, like those of Bush, Beck, and Robertson, are lined with blood from African gold.

So let's look at the nature of what you just said.

You managed to bring wholesale mass murder of innocent people into a personal jibe on a blog.

So is it that their lives didn't count because they were poor?

Is it that they do not deserve the dignity of treating their murder with the horror it deserves because rich white American conservatives financed the murder?

Or is it just because you think that dead black babies deserve the level of respect you just gave them?

You really just crossed the line into scum.

re: #110 Bagua

Why do you attack me on a thread in which I have said nothing to you? What is your problem?

You're evil, you see, and he's against evil. It's all perfectly clear.

re: #110 Bagua

Why do you attack me on a thread in which I have said nothing to you?...

Because he can.

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude.

You have issues.

re: #108 garhighway

Who, exactly, are you quoting?

No one in particular.

It just was a semi-humorous phrase to make a valid point.

We have all heard the mantra that thus and such monster could not help his crimes because of the woes of society as if he had no free will.

re: #114 Guanxi88

You're evil, you see, and he's against evil. It's all perfectly clear.

It's weird. I said nothing to him. Now I believe he just called you scum as well.

Ohhh. I get it.

I'm kinda slow (I guess I am progressive that way) but I get it.

The whole bearded lady thing is supposed to scare us into thinking that we need progressives to protect us from ... Capitalism!

Well let me point something out - you won't see any real conservative women wearing beards. Nooo. That would be a signe of evolution - and there is no evolution except the kind that is just intellectuals in slow motion Revolution.

No - conservative women in beards aren't really conservatives at all. They aren't really Republicans. And they aren't funny - they are the real threat.

They are FIRINOs - Follicularly Impaired Republicans In Name Only!

re: #110 Bagua

Why do you attack me on a thread in which I have said nothing to you? What is your problem?

Ahh mealy mouthed Bagua strikes again.

So if you were not calling my post hysterical hyperbole, than which were you referring to?

It would be one thing if you just came out to fight. It's another when you so brazenly and clumsily lie about it.

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Because he can.

Ahh Walter finally feeling like you have enough buddies to join a pile on. How brave.

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

..snip...

We have all heard the mantra that thus and such monster could not help his crimes because of the woes of society as if he had no free will.

He's depraved because he's deprived. (1956?0

re: #120 LudwigVanQuixote

I was referring to Glenn Beck, the subject of the post. Not you.

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

So let's look at the nature of what you just said.

You managed to bring wholesale mass murder of innocent people into a personal jibe on a blog.

So is it that their lives didn't count because they were poor?

Is it that they do not deserve the dignity of treating their murder with the horror it deserves because rich white American conservatives financed the murder?

Or is it just because you think that dead black babies deserve the level of respect you just gave them?

You really just crossed the line into scum.

I suggested that perhaps he was merely one of those whose pockets, like those of the unholy and evil trinity you cited last thread, were lined with blood from African gold. You know, one of those EVIL people you're always carrying on about.

Little did I know that quoting the Sage would in this way reveal my own evil and racist nature, the last bit, though, was known to you already.

That a deranged and spiteful bigot things so little of me is of no consequence whatsoever.

You scour the world and the hearts of folk online for evil, when you could find it far, far closer to home.

re: #123 Bagua

I was referring to Glenn Beck, the subject of the post. Not you.

Then I apologize.

So much of what you say is directed at me and you say such things about what I wrote so often that I assumed incorrectly.

Yes Glen Beck is hysterical hyperbole.

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

No one in particular.

It just was a semi-humorous phrase to make a valid point.

In other words, you made it up.

OK.

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

You're not seriously asking that question, are you?

You know, we're talking here about a man who dressed up in an East German officer's uniform on purpose for the cover of his own book. If he named his chalk caddies after Thomas Paine, would it be THAT weird?

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh Walter finally feeling like you have enough buddies to join a pile on. How brave.

Whatever. Carry on...

re: #120 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig, he might have been referring to Beck. It's certainly a possible interpretation.

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, we're talking here about a man who dressed up in an East German officer's uniform on purpose for the cover of his own book. If he named his chalk caddies after Thomas Paine, would it be THAT weird?

You're probably right.

re: #111 lawhawk

Looks like a tag line for the hacker GHoST61.

Seriously? This guy goes around and leaves a couple of lines from a Turkish song on random websites?

And I thought I knew how to waste time.

re: #124 Guanxi88

No you were sniping. You've been doing so for several days and I have been patient.

But the fact is that you really don't care that those villages were mudered at all. It is more noble to make snide remarks on a blog about their deaths.

Their suffering and murder does not matter nearly as much as a chance to snipe at little old me.

It shows exactly where your priorities are. It shows exactly the level of respect for the murdered you have and it makes you into a racist scumbag.

So really, are dead black babies funny to you?

Or is it that you just don't think they bear thinking about before opening your mouth because they were black?

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

You're probably right.

With Glenn Beck there are no limits to the crazy!

re: #129 Obdicut

Ludwig, he might have been referring to Beck. It's certainly a possible interpretation.

See above that is what he said he meant and I apologized.

re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote

No you were sniping. You've been doing so for several days and I have been patient.

But the fact is that you really don't care that those villages were mudered at all. It is more noble to make snide remarks on a blog about their deaths.

Their suffering and murder does not matter nearly as much as a chance to snipe at little old me.

It shows exactly where your priorities are. It shows exactly the level of respect for the murdered you have and it makes you into a racist scumbag.

So really, are dead black babies funny to you?

Or is it that you just don't think they bear thinking about before opening your mouth because they were black?

Okay then - tell me how murdered babies in Africa are providing gold to Beck, Robertson, and Bush, because I gotta tell ya, the thing just sounds like hysterical hyperbole.

re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote

Or is it that you just don't think they bear thinking about before opening your mouth because they were black?

And as for that, I thought you'd already established to the satisfaction of the only authority you recognize - your own over-weening sense of justice and rectitude - that I was certainly a racist long ago?

re: #126 garhighway

Yes, I do indeed write my own material... What's your beef?

The Darth Vader line was in the same vein. Most people got the point I should think.

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

No one in particular.

It just was a semi-humorous phrase to make a valid point.

We have all heard the mantra that thus and such monster could not help his crimes because of the woes of society as if he had no free will.

Worse, these days everyone's faults are a condition. I have such-and-such psychological issue - that's why I did that. I need drugs to help me with my such-and-such

re: #135 Guanxi88

Okay then - tell me how murdered babies in Africa are providing gold to Beck, Robertson, and Bush, because I gotta tell ya, the thing just sounds like hysterical hyperbole.

Well dipshit, there was a whole thread here about that. Ever here of Taylor?

Ever hear of Freedom Gold?

Oh wait you were even on that thread. So yes, you had to have heard of this...

Hmmm...

So is it that you have selective memory, or is it that dead black babies don't rate being remembered with you?

You tell me. I'll see to it that your sheets are pressed so you look dashing at the cross burning.

re: #135 Guanxi88

Okay then - tell me how murdered babies in Africa are providing gold to Beck, Robertson, and Bush, because I gotta tell ya, the thing just sounds like hysterical hyperbole.

Because ex-president of Libera was killing his own people and Pat Robertson was in financial cahoots with him and getting him positive access to the White House, so Robertson helped kill those black Africans.

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Because ex-president of Libera was killing his own people and Pat Robertson was in financial cahoots with him and getting him positive access to the White House, so Robertson helped kill those black Africans.

I probably didn't explain that was well as Ludwig would/could, but I think that's the gist of it.

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Because ex-president of Libera was killing his own people and Pat Robertson was in financial cahoots with him and getting him positive access to the White House, so Robertson helped kill those black Africans.

Walter, you just gained respect with me.

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

I probably didn't explain that was well as Ludwig would/could, but I think that's the gist of it.

NO that was pretty much dead on. You needed to add the part about the Freedom Gold corporation that was the reason for that access and the way that Robertson profited, and you need to point out how beck pimps gold, but that is about right.

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

Well dipshit, there was a whole thread here about that. Ever here of Taylor?

Ever hear of Freedom Gold?

Oh wait you were even on that thread. So yes, you had to have heard of this...

Hmmm...

So is it that you have selective memory, or is it that dead black babies don't rate being remembered with you?

You tell me. I'll see to it that your sheets are pressed so you look dashing at the cross burning.

Got it. Charles Taylor's funding Beck and Bush and such. All perfectly clear. A perfect storm of evil, indeed.

Freedom Gold never mined an ounce. How'd they get the gold, then?

And as for the Klan crack, it's perfectly in accord with the ravings of a severely troubled mind. I'd suggest you get help.

.44 Pistol

re: #131 Cato the Elder

Indeed - and apparently keeps score.

re: #123 Bagua

I was referring to Glenn Beck, the subject of the post. Not you.

Then I apologize.

You're so vain
I bet you think this thread is about

re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote

NO that was pretty much dead on. You needed to add the part about the Freedom Gold corporation that was the reason for that access and the way that Robertson profited, and you need to point out how beck pimps gold, but that is about right.

They mined no gold, did they?

Ludwig - Freedom Gold never went into production: How'd they get the money to fund Beck, Bush, and Robertson?

re: #146 lawhawk

Indeed - and apparently keeps score.

How bulletproof is Zone H's position?

re: #146 lawhawk

Indeed - and apparently keeps score.

Just putting "GHoST61" into Google turns up ca. 5,200 hits.

There seems to be no telling whether or not he just defaces or does more serious damage. I'm going to recommend my friends have their site/server checked out by a security expert.

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Just putting "GHoST61" into Google turns up ca. 5,200 hits.

There seems to be no telling whether or not he just defaces or does more serious damage. I'm going to recommend my friends have their site/server checked out by a security expert.

Don't waste your time, call Ghostbusters.

re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote

NO that was pretty much dead on. You needed to add the part about the Freedom Gold corporation that was the reason for that access and the way that Robertson profited, and you need to point out how beck pimps gold, but that is about right.

Freedom Gold never went into production. Aside from that one detail, the fact that there is NO gold from the deal, it's great story.

re: #149 Guanxi88

Ohh so you have heard the story...

So then why did you lie about not knowing about it?

You've heard it enough to quibble on the details.

What I said was:

You needed to add the part about the Freedom Gold corporation that was the reason for that access and the way that Robertson profited

,

As in that was the whole financial angle of and reason for the arrangement.

Whether or not Robertson and Bush's pet dictator stayed in power long enough for Freedom Gold to profit is not the point or even a point.

What is a point is that you truly are racist filth and you are caught in a lie.

So seriously fuck you.

re: #153 Guanxi88

Freedom Gold never went into production. Aside from that one detail, the fact that there is NO gold from the deal, it's great story.

That is not the point. Taylor gave Robertson concessions to help him set up a gold mining corporation in return for possible access to the White House, which Robertson did try to arrange, and Robertson also spoke out against the Bush government when they asked Taylor to step down.

Whether gold was produced has nothing to do with the arrangements and access that Robertson was offering to a homicidal dictator.

That's fact.

Walter - in the Stephen King book (Under the Dome) he referred to "The Hunted Ones, a clever Lost sequel"

re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote

Racist filth, LVQ?

re: #9 teleskiguy

Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich! Charles, thank you for this video. Still cracks me up!

[Video]

We can add barking rabid dog imitator to raving freakazoid nut sandwich :P

re: #149 Guanxi88

Ludwig - Freedom Gold never went into production: How'd they get the money to fund Beck, Bush, and Robertson?

[Link: rfmcdpei.livejournal.com...]

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

That is not the point. Taylor gave Robertson concessions to help him set up a gold mining corporation in return for possible access to the White House, which Robertson did try to arrange, and Robertson also spoke out against the Bush government when they asked Taylor to step down.

Whether gold was produced has nothing to do with the arrangements and access that Robertson was offering to a homicidal dictator.

That's fact.

Again I am impressed. Perhaps I have misread you.

re: #156 Stanley Sea

Walter - in the Stephen King book (Under the Dome) he referred to "The Hunted Ones, a clever Lost sequel"

[Link: lostpedia.wikia.com...]

The Hunted Ones is a fictitious sequel to Lost mentioned in Stephen King's 2009 novel Under the Dome.

re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh so you have heard the story...

So then why did you lie about not knowing about it?

You've heard it enough to quibble on the details.

What I said was:

,

As in that was the whole financial angle of and reason for the arrangement.

Whether or not Robertson and Bush's pet dictator stayed in power long enough for Freedom Gold to profit is not the point or even a point.

What is a point is that you truly are racist filth and you are caught in a lie.

So seriously fuck you.

I had to pull it up and see what was going on with the line - cause it was too pricelessly absurd to be true as reported by you.

You said their pockets were lined with blood, and that Robertson profited from it. Now you say whether they profited or not doesn't matter. Now, which is it, O defender of justice? Did Beck get African blood in his pockets or didn't he?

The point is you are a deranged and fiercely bitter person; anyone disagreeing with you is presumptively evil - all that remains for you is to determine the nature of their evil.

Most likely, you're borderline paranoid (with delusions of reference, eg "hysterical hyperbole"), laboring under delusions of adequacy, and, in short, damned near perfectly ill.

re: #157 cliffster

Racist filth, LVQ?

Yes actually, he is belittling in many ways the murder of innocent men women and children. He is now trying to pretend there is no story there.

Since those men women and children were black and he really does not get the point of how they were exploited or who was doing the exploiting and is in fact defending it, he is racist filth.

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

That is not the point. Taylor gave Robertson concessions to help him set up a gold mining corporation in return for possible access to the White House, which Robertson did try to arrange, and Robertson also spoke out against the Bush government when they asked Taylor to step down.

Whether gold was produced has nothing to do with the arrangements and access that Robertson was offering to a homicidal dictator.

That's fact.

So, then, it might not be accurate to suggest that Bush, Beck, and Robertson's pockets were bloodstained from African gold?

re: #157 cliffster

Racist filth, LVQ?

'Course I'm racist filth - I take issue with the Oracle. What else could I be?

re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh so you have heard the story...

So then why did you lie about not knowing about it?

You've heard it enough to quibble on the details.

What I said was:

,

As in that was the whole financial angle of and reason for the arrangement.

Whether or not Robertson and Bush's pet dictator stayed in power long enough for Freedom Gold to profit is not the point or even a point.

What is a point is that you truly are racist filth and you are caught in a lie.

So seriously fuck you.

You forgot evil.

"evil" only exists when you declare something to be evil.

that said, I do agree with LVQ, but it's more about calling a spade a spade than hunting Satan.
Charles Manson killed people, whatever his emotional problems (and there were many) he deserves to be punished.

etc.
etc.

re: #163 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes actually, he is belittling in many ways the murder of innocent men women and children. He is now trying to pretend there is no story there.

Since those men women and children were black and he really does not get the point of how they were exploited or who was doing the exploiting and is in fact defending it, he is racist filth.

Like you belittled the thousands of pretend people Vader sent to their deaths...

Geeze, lighten up a little...

re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote

...Bush's pet dictator ...

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re: #169 RogueOne

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Evil racist filth!

//

re: #164 Guanxi88

So, then, it might not be accurate to suggest that Bush, Beck, and Robertson's pockets were bloodstained from African gold?

I understand the technical quibble you are making. It is a great way to avoid that these people openly dealt with a homicidal dictator to line their pockets. Pardon me for seeing trying to do it and hence enabling the murder in the hopes of profit as just as bad as seeing those profits after the damage was done.

BUt of course that is not the whole story. Do you think that Freedom gold was the only gold venture Robertson was involved in in Africa or that the one's Beck pushes are innocent as well?

Yet you quibble for these monsters like a cheap ambulance chasing attorney.

So really, why do dead black people not matter to you?

Why is that not the main point?

Could it be because dead black people don't make your radar?

And if so, does that not conclusively make you into racist scum?

re: #164 Guanxi88

So, then, it might not be accurate to suggest that Bush, Beck, and Robertson's pockets were bloodstained from African gold?

To be honest, I don't under the Bush and Beck reference, but, Robertson certainly decided to do business with a homicidal dictator and help his image with the White House. There was no shortage of factual information about Taylor at the time, but Robertson ignore all the evidence in order to open up the possibilities of financial gain.

Yes, Robertson was another crony that supported the ego and machinations of a murderer.

Robertson was very impress with Taylor...

"Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson accused President Bush of “undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels” by asking Liberian President Charles Taylor, recently indicted for war crimes, to step down.

“How dare the president of the United States say to the duly elected president of another country, 'You've got to step down,'" Robertson said Monday on “The 700 Club,” broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network.

“It's one thing to say, we will give you money if you step down and we will give you troops if you step down, but just to order him to step down? He doesn't work for us.”

Robertson, a Bush supporter who has financial interests in Liberia, said he believes the State Department has “mismanaged the situation in nation after nation after nation” in Africa.

“So we're undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels to take over the country,” he said in the broadcast."

re: #167 Vambo

"evil" only exists when you declare something to be evil.

that said, I do agree with LVQ, but it's more about calling a spade a spade than hunting Satan.
Charles Manson killed people, whatever his emotional problems (and there were many) he deserves to be punished.

etc.
etc.

To be honest with you I am absolutely not talking about this in terms of Satan.

Jewish theology is quite clear that men are perfectly capable of being evil on their own without invoking Satan.

I am much more about calling things truthfully for once.

re: #171 LudwigVanQuixote

I understand the technical quibble you are making. It is a great way to avoid that these people openly dealt with a homicidal dictator to line their pockets. Pardon me for seeing trying to do it and hence enabling the murder in the hopes of profit as just as bad as seeing those profits after the damage was done.

BUt of course that is not the whole story. Do you think that Freedom gold was the only gold venture Robertson was involved in in Africa or that the one's Beck pushes are innocent as well?

Yet you quibble for these monsters like a cheap ambulance chasing attorney.

So really, why do dead black people not matter to you?

Why is that not the main point?

Could it be because dead black people don't make your radar?

And if so, does that not conclusively make you into racist scum?

Quibbling? Not at all, Merely trying to hunt down the truth behind the - now demonstrably - false claim that Bush, Beck, and Robertson's pockets are blood lined as a result of the murder of innocents in Africa.

If you had evidence that Beck was pushing a company that sold gold sourced in a similary despicable manner, you'd certainly bring it out. You don't, but the slur will do just fine.

Dead black people are not a debating point with me, Ludwig - I don't presume to use the bodies of the dead as clubs in personal psycho-dramas. I leave that to others, with more experience.

re: #168 rwdflynavy

Like you belittled the thousands of pretend people Vader sent to their deaths...

Geeze, lighten up a little...

Ummm sort of the difference their for the clueless... pretend people as opposed to real people... I chose the metaphor carefully for that reason.

Then ther is the point that I consider such behavior evil, while Guaxni Klan dragon here doesn't seem to mind if it is directed at black folks.

re: #163 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes actually, he is belittling in many ways the murder of innocent men women and children. He is now trying to pretend there is no story there.

Since those men women and children were black and he really does not get the point of how they were exploited or who was doing the exploiting and is in fact defending it, he is racist filth.

Perhaps you think he is "misguided", or that he "doesn't pay attention to important details". Calling him racist filth is absurd, and you know it.

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

I was with him on the Robertson bashing because he deserves all the heaping scorn we can put on him. Trying to make a quick buck through exploiting slave labor and civil war is reprehensible. Turning it into a partisan issue by somehow trying to link Bush to the situation turned it into partisan screed rather than reality.

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

To be honest, I don't under the Bush and Beck reference, but, Robertson certainly decided to do business with a homicidal dictator and help his image with the White House. There was no shortage of factual information about Taylor at the time, but Robertson ignore all the evidence in order to open up the possibilities of financial gain.

Yes, Robertson was another crony that supported the ego and machinations of a murderer.

Robertson was very impress with Taylor...

"Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson accused President Bush of “undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels” by asking Liberian President Charles Taylor, recently indicted for war crimes, to step down.

“How dare the president of the United States say to the duly elected president of another country, 'You've got to step down,'" Robertson said Monday on “The 700 Club,” broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network.

“It's one thing to say, we will give you money if you step down and we will give you troops if you step down, but just to order him to step down? He doesn't work for us.”

Robertson, a Bush supporter who has financial interests in Liberia, said he believes the State Department has “mismanaged the situation in nation after nation after nation” in Africa.

“So we're undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels to take over the country,” he said in the broadcast."

My take on it was Robertson was involved, fucked up mightily, and lost some money to boot.

re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote

To be honest with you I am absolutely not talking about this in terms of Satan.

Jewish theology is quite clear that men are perfectly capable of being evil on their own without invoking Satan.

I am much more about calling things truthfully for once.

I'd rather just call those people sociopaths and abandon religious terminology altogether. But I don't really care either way. Call Fred Phelps or some other gay-basher evil, I'm not going to make a stink.

re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote

To be honest with you I am absolutely not talking about this in terms of Satan.

Jewish theology is quite clear that men are perfectly capable of being evil on their own without invoking Satan.

I am much more about calling things truthfully for once.

A paragraph from my play "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"

"Your life is worthy of your fullest investment. Before you can take control of your life you must understand that your are not irrelevant. The question of good and evil is not unrelated. I cannot see God, but I know he is still in residence because his servant is busy in the house. Satan is his first and foremost angel, he is the necessary friction that enables the universe to move. The fact that you came to me and sought out someone to approve of your suicide leaves me with the impression that living authentically with the meaninglessness of your life is impossible. You are a failed Nihilist."

re: #176 cliffster

Perhaps you think he is "misguided", or that he "doesn't pay attention to important details". Calling him racist filth is absurd, and you know it.

NO he is fighting to hard for that charitable an account.

re: #177 RogueOne

I was with him on the Robertson bashing because he deserves all the heaping scorn we can put on him. Trying to make a quick buck through exploiting slave labor and civil war is reprehensible. Turning it into a partisan issue by somehow trying to link Bush to the situation turned it into partisan screed rather than reality.

Like I said, I don't understand the Bush/Beck connection. If it has something to do with Goldline or companies like that, well, that's a little silly, since many talk shows right or left, sponsor Goldline. And not all gold comes from Africa. A lot of gold is old gold, a lot of gold investments are on paper only.

re: #176 cliffster

Perhaps you think he is "misguided", or that he "doesn't pay attention to important details". Calling him racist filth is absurd, and you know it.

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

NO he is fighting to hard for that charitable an account.

Exactly - were I to make obeisance to the Great One, Who will almost certainly be thanked by my grandchildren and great-grandchildren's children for his tireless efforts to save billions of lives from EVIL men such as I, then I'm sure that I'd be welcomed back in. Stiff-necked as I am, I refuse correction from this little tin godling, and so remain out of favor with him.

re: #179 Vambo

I'd rather just call those people sociopaths and abandon religious terminology altogether. But I don't really care either way. Call Fred Phelps or some other gay-basher evil, I'm not going to make a stink.

I here your point and I understand the place it is coming from. But evil is a very well understood word. Nothing else carries that weight, and somethings deserve that weight.

Yes Hitler was a sociopath, but that really does not come near as close to the truth as saying he was evil.

Yes rape and pillage of African villages for gold money is sociopathic, opportunistic and exploitive.

But it is not near enough to the truth as just calling it evil.

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

NO he is fighting to hard for that charitable an account.

YOU try too hard to find a reason to put a harsh label on people. Think of it like this.. there are really bad people in the world. If you take all these people you disagree with, and lump them into that "very bad" category, it kind of waters down the category. Me, I'd prefer to leave the word "evil" for people who truly are evil. You're just giving them a break by putting them in the same ring as the average Joe out there.

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

You're losing me LVQ. Let's save the Klan shtick for the guys down on Rt. 84.

re: #186 Decatur Deb

You're losing me LVQ. Let's save the Klan shtick for the guys down on Rt. 84.

The target doesn't matter. This we knew from long ago.

re: #185 cliffster

Me, I'd prefer to leave the word "evil" for people who truly are evil.

Celine Dion

re: #188 RogueOne

Celine Dion

Thank you, I almost spit coffee all over my screen...

re: #188 RogueOne

Celine Dion

Definitely evil. I sat through a whole show. The only decent song was Titanic.

re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote

Again I am impressed. Perhaps I have misread you.

You have misread me... all the time. But your opinion of me doesn't mean anything at all. You change opinions and alliances as quickly as I change my dirty socks. It's extremely transparent.

re: #188 RogueOne

Celine Dion

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re: #183 Guanxi88

No you refuse to acknowledge that:

1. You made a joke about murdered black people in an attempt to snipe at me.

2. Pretended that there was no such story as the one I was referring to.

3. Then showed that you lied about that and dug yourself a hole by trying to defend Robertson, Beck and Bush - whose actions were evil.

4. For the record, Beck and the pimping of gold is the connection. The entire gold trade is awash in blood. It is not hard to splatter some on him. But the connections between Beck, Fox and Robertson are too well established for this not to all be part of the same thing.

However, I am talking about racist, delusional asshole you.

You would rather quibble about diversions than the main point about trying to get gold profits from homicidal dictators.

The fact that the murders involved are not something you care about, or have yet to care about are what makes you into racist filth.

The fact that you think AGW = Al Gore and that you ignore the entire rest of the scientific world and all of the data and evidence when you say such stupid things merely makes you stupid as well.

So in short, I am not calling you a racist stupid bit of filth.

I have proved you are such.

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

No, whatever charges can be made against Ludwig, inconsistency is not one of them.

re: #188 RogueOne

Celine Dion

Are we now equating lack of talent with evil. Hell, Hitler wasn't a very good painter ("he had trouble with the borders") but that didn't make him... wait... you're right, Dion is evil.

re: #194 Obdicut

No, whatever charges can be made against Ludwig, inconsistency is not one of them.

Sure... and his comment to me above was one of consistency... I got it... :)

I see someone failed the Carnegie course again.

re: #193 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet, he is not, as it turns out, a racist stupid bit of filth. Isn't that weird?

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Are we now equating lack of talent with evil. Hell, Hitler wasn't a very good painter ("he had trouble with the borders") but that didn't make him... wait... you're right, Dion is evil.

No Walter, you are being obtuse. Have you ever sat through one of her shows?

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

You have misread me... all the time. But your opinion of me doesn't mean anything at all. You change opinions and alliances as quickly as I change my dirty socks. It's extremely transparent.

Well ok perhaps my first opinion was correct.

My allegiance is to the truth.

I was impressed that you were sticking up for the truth in this case.

I am very loyal to my friends Walter, but given that I never back down from sniping here, it should be really clear that I don't give a rats ass about what others think of me stating the truth as best I can.

I was however giving you the benefit of the doubt. I see I was mistaken.

re: #197 MandyManners

I see someone failed the Carnegie course again.

I had a boss buy me that book long ago. The asshole said I had problems dealing with people.

re: #201 RogueOne

I had a boss buy me that book long ago. The asshole said I had problems dealing with people.

Fuck that guy.

re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote

Well ok perhaps my first opinion was correct.

My allegiance is to the truth.

I was impressed that you were sticking up for the truth in this case.

I am very loyal to my friends Walter, but given that I never back down from sniping here, it should be really clear that I don't give a rats ass about what others think of me stating the truth as best I can.

I was however giving you the benefit of the doubt. I see I was mistaken.

You made a mistake? You mean I didn't speak the truth, I wasn't sticking up for the truth about Taylor and Robertson and the connections to the murderous regime in Liberia.

You're confusing me again.

re: #197 MandyManners

I see someone failed the Carnegie course again.

You know, if he had titled it "How to Convince Everyone You Are Right About Everything" instead of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", he might have gotten more takers, especially among those who need it most, and it would be the same course.

re: #193 LudwigVanQuixote

No you refuse to acknowledge that:

1. You made a joke about murdered black people in an attempt to snipe at me.

2. Pretended that there was no such story as the one I was referring to.

3. Then showed that you lied about that and dug yourself a hole by trying to defend Robertson, Beck and Bush - whose actions were evil.

4. For the record, Beck and the pimping of gold is the connection. The entire gold trade is awash in blood. It is not hard to splatter some on him. But the connections between Beck, Fox and Robertson are too well established for this not to all be part of the same thing.

However, I am talking about racist, delusional asshole you.

You would rather quibble about diversions than the main point about trying to get gold profits from homicidal dictators.

The fact that the murders involved are not something you care about, or have yet to care about are what makes you into racist filth.

The fact that you think AGW = Al Gore and that you ignore the entire rest of the scientific world and all of the data and evidence when you say such stupid things merely makes you stupid as well.

So in short, I am not calling you a racist stupid bit of filth.

I have proved you are such.

You delusional , raving man!

1) I made no joke about murdered black people. I suggested that perhaps this man was every bit as evil as those (Bush, Beck, and Robertson) whose pockets you claimed were bloodstained from African gold before you back-pedaled fully on the claim. Now, if the now demonstrable false claim isn't hysterical hyperbole in it's purest form...

2) In fact, there was no story at all that bore any resemblance to the claim that Bush, Beck, and Robertson profited from the murder of Africans.

3) How can I prove evil in defending actions that - by your own admission - never happened?

And frankly, LVQ, I do this for much the same reason that you invoke in your own rants and tirades - not to correct you, but rather to warn others away. They must not abandon perfectly sound beliefs merely because they are held by intemperate low-life bigots, like yourself. As I noted yesterday, even the lowest and most disreputable dive-bar on Skid Row would not long tolerate your un-ending stream of pointless abuse and invective.

The AGW bit is pointless, because you may recall that I am in agreement with the majority of scientific opinion on the matter - that it is a real phenomenon.

It is clear to me now that the claim of AGW denier, like the claim of racist, is merely one tool in your pitifully limited rhetorical bag of tricks.

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

You made a mistake? You mean I didn't speak the truth, I wasn't sticking up for the truth about Taylor and Robertson and the connections to the murderous regime in Liberia.

You're confusing me again.

re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote

Well ok perhaps my first opinion was correct.

My allegiance is to the truth.

I was impressed that you were sticking up for the truth in this case.

I am very loyal to my friends Walter, but given that I never back down from sniping here, it should be really clear that I don't give a rats ass about what others think of me stating the truth as best I can.

I was however giving you the benefit of the doubt. I see I was mistaken.

Wow... really cyclic proof there of my point... "You change opinions and alliances as quickly as I change my dirty socks. It's extremely transparent."

That's for that.

LOL.

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

I was impressed that you were sticking up for the truth in this case...

I had briefly thought that I had judged you to harshly in general. You cleared that up for me.

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

I was impressed that you were sticking up for the truth in this case...

I had briefly thought that I had judged you to harshly in general. You cleared that up for me.

Amazing, isn't it? You thought you were wrong, but it turns out you were right?

Funny how that always seems to happen.

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

Like going back into the pile ons... no doubt you didn't want to lose too much cred with your friends...

Too bad Walter, you gave me momentary hope that truth was more important to you than blog popularity.

I won't make the mistake again.

Anyways...

I thought the revolution/evolution part of the video was hilarious...

I think someone has missed their med schedule. Luckily today is National Pancake Day, maybe a couple of decent batches of pancakes will make it all better.

[Link: www.ihoppancakeday.com...]

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

I was impressed that you were sticking up for the truth in this case...

I had briefly thought that I had judged you to harshly in general. You cleared that up for me.

You are so quick to think that people are evil, racist, or whatever. Judging from what we see here, one would conclude that you eventually hate everybody. I'm not trying to badger you, I'm just trying to point out that you are very quick to judge, and put insanely derogatory labels on people.

re: #209 LudwigVanQuixote

Like going back into the pile ons... no doubt you didn't want to lose too much cred with your friends...

Too bad Walter, you gave me momentary hope that truth was more important to you than blog popularity.

I won't make the mistake again.

LOL.

re: #208 Guanxi88

Amazing, isn't it? You thought you were wrong, but it turns out you were right?

Funny how that always seems to happen.

So Guaxni,

Were people murdered by Taylor?

Were Robertson's actions evil? IS the pimping of gold, knowing it comes from places like that evil?

Is sniping about the blood of the murdered to get at me appropriate?

If you can say that yes this shit is evil and stop defending it, and show some respect to the dead, I will withdraw my comment that you are racist filth.

If you can not, you prove that you are.

Pretty simple.

Your move.

re: #211 RogueOne

I think someone has missed their med schedule. Luckily today is National Pancake Day, maybe a couple of decent batches of pancakes will make it all better.

[Link: www.ihoppancakeday.com...]

Why is National Pancake Day a week after Mardi Gras?

re: #212 cliffster

You are so quick to think that people are evil, racist, or whatever. Judging from what we see here, one would conclude that you eventually hate everybody. I'm not trying to badger you, I'm just trying to point out that you are very quick to judge, and put insanely derogatory labels on people.

My point exactly... Ludwig changes "... opinions and alliances as quickly as I change my dirty socks. It's extremely transparent."

re: #212 cliffster

You are so quick to think that people are evil, racist, or whatever. Judging from what we see here, one would conclude that you eventually hate everybody. I'm not trying to badger you, I'm just trying to point out that you are very quick to judge, and put insanely derogatory labels on people.

It's interesting how the main post I made on this thread about people not being able to call evil evil is what is missed here.

Cliff, Taylor was a true monster. The deaths are real.

The gold trade that Beck pimps nightly is awash in evil monsters like him.

This is evil.

Call it evil.

And yes, I hate the ignorance that supports it.

That too is evil.

Evil has no messenger.

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is National Pancake Day a week after Mardi Gras?

It's one of those mysteries of the universe that inquiring minds demand an answer to.

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

So Guaxni,

Were people murdered by Taylor?

Were Robertson's actions evil? IS the pimping of gold, knowing it comes from places like that evil?

Is sniping about the blood of the murdered to get at me appropriate?

If you can say that yes this shit is evil and stop defending it, and show some respect to the dead, I will withdraw my comment that you are racist filth.

If you can not, you prove that you are.

Pretty simple.

Your move.

What does Beck and Bush have to do with the Taylor/Robertson incident? You had a trio of evil doers in your comments above... Bush/Beck/Robertson?

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

What does Beck and Bush have to do with the Taylor/Robertson incident? You had a trio of evil doers in your comments above... Bush/Beck/Robertson?

Well what is it that Beck pimps nightly?

Who was the President influenced by Robertson?

Yes eventually the US had to come out against Taylor... This was long after everyone else was forced to by reality.

Why did the US take so long if not as a bone to Robertson.

Now I will grant that it is possible that is all just coincidence. But I strongly doubt it.

re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote

[snip]

The gold trade that Beck pimps nightly is awash in evil monsters like him.

[snip]

Really... Goldline is pimped on both liberal and conservative radio and TV talk and news shows all over the world.

And what do you know about the corporate structure of Goldline. You would be surprised who owns them and the connections they have in Chicago.

Do some homework before you spout off like that.

re: #220 LudwigVanQuixote

Who was the President influenced by Robertson?

That's easy. Regarding Taylor, none of them.

re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote

It's interesting how the main post I made on this thread about people not being able to call evil evil is what is missed here.

Cliff, Taylor was a true monster. The deaths are real.

The gold trade that Beck pimps nightly is awash in evil monsters like him.

This is evil.

Call it evil.

And yes, I hate the ignorance that supports it.

That too is evil.

Evil has no messenger.

You need to separate the face from the person. Perhaps you can say "the ignorance is evil". But the ignorant person is not evil. Guanxi88 is not evil, nor racist filth, and that is very clear. If you can overreact so grossly as to call him such when he clearly is not, then perhaps you could also overreact to climate data and assume that global warming is occurring when it is not. Think about it.

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

So Guaxni,

Were people murdered by Taylor?

Were Robertson's actions evil? IS the pimping of gold, knowing it comes from places like that evil?

Is sniping about the blood of the murdered to get at me appropriate?

If you can say that yes this shit is evil and stop defending it, and show some respect to the dead, I will withdraw my comment that you are racist filth.

If you can not, you prove that you are.

Pretty simple.

Your move.

In order:

1) Who said Taylor didn't murder people? Certainly not me.

2) Was I suggesting Robertson's actions were appropriate? Not by any sane interpretation.

3) Was I sniping about the blood of the murdered, or merely invoking the hysterical ravings of you yourself to illustrate - not to you, for you are beyond hope - the sheer absurdity of your reflexive hatred of those who presume to disagree with you.

4) Ought we then to ban all gold, on the cautionary principle that it might come from Liberia and similar places? Great indeed is your nobility.

LVQ - I'm not defending evil - and you know it perfectly well. I'm disagreeing with you, and - because you're certain of the truth and justice of your own opinions and your manner of expression - you are unable to comprehend that a person might conceivably disagree in whole or in part with one or more of your own positions or you manner of expression without, however, embracing evil.

And I'll show you exactly as much respect as you deserve - you're a human being, a deeply troubled, brilliant human being. See, I don't think you're evil; I think you're in a dark and terrible place, and until you acknowledge that fact, you'll stay there.

Your move.

re: #223 cliffster

face = fact. Sorry

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

What does Beck and Bush have to do with the Taylor/Robertson incident? You had a trio of evil doers in your comments above... Bush/Beck/Robertson?

Quoting the oracle himself, from the previous thread. Ask him about it.

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

What does Beck and Bush have to do with the Taylor/Robertson incident? You had a trio of evil doers in your comments above... Bush/Beck/Robertson?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

NO evil is evil It is better to call it what it is. That way it does not become respectable.

Consider the gold from Africa and the human cost of it. Consider the blood lining Beck and Robertson's and Bush's pockets from it.

That is evil.

Call it evil.

Do not dishonor or dehumanize the dead by making their murderers and those who enabled and financed their murders respectable.

re: #224 Guanxi88

Enough.

Thank you for clarifying. I now have no doubts left about you.

Yes indeed, if the gold or diamonds you buy come from blood, you should not buy them.

I think that is really sufficient.

You are not the sort of racist filth who openly wants black people murdered by the score, you just think that is less important than the gold market.

OK so you are one who likes to profit from racism and evil, but you are not evil yourself...

Wait. I can't say that.

Why?

Because evil has no messenger.

You are racist scum. You are just too wrapped up in your own shit to see it.

re: #226 Guanxi88

Quoting the oracle himself, from the previous thread. Ask him about it.

Gold is gold. The ring on your finger may have gold in it that was produced by the sweat (and maybe actual blood) of a African. Or it may be from melted down American coins from the last 150 years, or from bullion that has been sitting in vaults for 10 of years, whatever.

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

I agree, but must admit that one of the biggest belly laughs I've had in ages was while watching a portion of her performance on a TV special. She performed a cover of Stevie Wonder's "I Wish", and maybe it's just me, but this skinny, very Caucasian Canadian female singing the following lyrics was just mondo absurdo:

"Looking back on when I
Was a little nappy-headed boy..."

You just can't make this shit up.

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Gold is gold. The ring on your finger may have gold in it that was produced by the sweat (and maybe actual blood) of a African. Or it may be from melted down American coins from the last 150 years, or from bullion that has been sitting in vaults for 10 of years, whatever.

Then you're racist scum who cares more about the gold market than human lives.

re: #228 LudwigVanQuixote

Enough.

Thank you for clarifying. I now have no doubts left about you.

Yes indeed, if the gold or diamonds you buy come from blood, you should not buy them.

I think that is really sufficient.

You are not the sort of racist filth who openly wants black people murdered by the score, you just think that is less important than the gold market.

OK so you are one who likes to profit from racism and evil, but you are not evil yourself...

Wait. I can't say that.

Why?

Because evil has no messenger.

You are racist scum. You are just too wrapped up in your own shit to see it.

And... what is your proof that a precious metal investment firm like Goldline deal directly with "blood gold?"

If you own any gold, you have no idea where it came from, do you?

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

And... what is your proof that a precious metal investment firm like Goldline deal directly with "blood gold?"

If you own any gold, you have no idea where it came from, do you?

Racist scum!

//

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

It's pretty easy to source gold, actually.

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

So Walter,

Let's turn that around... Should you knowingly buy gold or diamonds from conflict regions knowing full well the human toll in getting it to you?

By purchasing it, are you not perpetuating the abuse and horror?

Does that not make you a party to it?

Are you really so self absorbed or good at rationalization as to avoid seeing that basic connection?

It is very Republican of you to do so. I am impressed.

re: #234 Obdicut

It's pretty easy to source gold, actually.

I do love it when others show up with the truth. It gets lonely sometimes.

re: #228 LudwigVanQuixote

Enough.

Thank you for clarifying. I now have no doubts left about you.

Yes indeed, if the gold or diamonds you buy come from blood, you should not buy them.

I think that is really sufficient.

You are not the sort of racist filth who openly wants black people murdered by the score, you just think that is less important than the gold market.

OK so you are one who likes to profit from racism and evil, but you are not evil yourself...

Wait. I can't say that.

Why?

Because evil has no messenger.

You are racist scum. You are just too wrapped up in your own shit to see it.

Only you would resort to throwing the bodies of the dead at your imagined enemies. Frankly, I think it's WORSE that whereas the folks in the gold deal tried to at least turn a profit from their abuse of these people's lives and their deaths, you are so pathetically inadequate that you use their deaths to try to score points on a blog.

Un.
Freaking.
Believable.

How about this. Most pigs are raised on factory farms that are absolutely horrendous. Mother pigs are artificially inseminated, the piglets are taken away as soon as they are born. They live in cages, never see the light of day, are treated harshly, and butchered harshly. Pigs are highly intelligent. More so than dogs. These places are truly evil.

Most people know all this. They go to the store, buy bacon and sausage, and eat it. Yum. Should they boycott the industry? Sure, that would be for the best. Are they evil for not doing so? No.

re: #238 Racer X

Un.
Freaking.
Believable.

You know on that I have to agree.

re: #239 cliffster

Careful - LVQ will take that mean you think Africans are just like pigs.

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Gold is gold. The ring on your finger may have gold in it that was produced by the sweat (and maybe actual blood) of a African. Or it may be from melted down American coins from the last 150 years, or from bullion that has been sitting in vaults for 10 of years, whatever.

And about the German gold in my teeth from when I lived there in the 1980s I don't even wish to speculate.

But then what product can you guarantee to be "clean" in terms of the human suffering it may represent. Bananas, rubber, coal, coffee, tea, silk, cotton, jewels of any kind, produce of any kind, not to mention animal products.

I hope this observation does not make me racist scum.

re: #228 LudwigVanQuixote

You know, the Taylor/Robertson connection stunk, stinks and I agree with your basic opinion about those two.

All of you're other extrapolations about Goldline/Bush/Beck and the blood of this and that, is simply that, speculation, unfounded speculation which you have no proof other than "Now I will grant that it is possible that is all just coincidence."

You claim to be a scientist. I suspect that being a scientist includes the ability to be a critical thinker, to be able to be logical and a dab of common sense.

Well, you knight-jump machinations to try to connect gold and murders comes across more like a pulp novel, than a respectable well thought out scenario.

re: #89 Bagua

Hysterical hyperbole.

Not only "Histrionic", also Antisocial, Narcissistic, Obsessive-Compulsive and certainly paranoid. One could make a case for Schizotypal as well, but I wouldn't.

That is five of the ten recognized personality disorders in one individual.