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1 jdog29  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:32:29pm

Drudge makes non news the news.

2 freetoken  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:32:30pm

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

3 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:33:01pm

Mama always said, crazy is as crazy does...

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:33:10pm

First infowars, now JBS. Drudge can suck it.

5 brookly red  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:33:25pm

Drudge links to darn near anyone... he just does it faster than anyone else.

6 Kragar  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:34:01pm

re: #2 freetoken

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

Precious bodily fluids and all that.

7 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:35:16pm

re: #2 freetoken

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

I feel a slight urge to take that kind of thing personally since my entire life my dad has worked for the FDA...

8 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:35:42pm

re: #2 freetoken

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

There are just as many modern medicine luddites and haters of "big pharma" on the right as on the left. It's just for different, but equally asinine, reasons.

9 darthstar  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:35:54pm

The great irony here, of course, is that John McCain is the target. It doesn't matter that it's one of the internet's more popular link-whores doing it. I don't believe Drudge reads half of the crap his staff posts on his "blog"...does Drudge even write? Or is he just someone who surfs the web for a living?

10 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:36:02pm

re: #5 brookly red


Drudge links to darn near anyone... he just does it faster than anyone else.


...and conservatives don't seem to mind that they're being fed news from antisemitc conspiracy kooks like JBS and Alex Jones.

11 freetoken  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:36:15pm

Right now, there are anti-FDA articles at HotAir and Townhall... both sites moving lock step with the JBS...

12 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:36:45pm

re: #9 darthstar

The great irony here, of course, is that John McCain is the target. It doesn't matter that it's one of the internet's more popular link-whores doing it. I don't believe Drudge reads half of the crap his staff posts on his "blog"...does Drudge even write? Or is he just someone who surfs the web for a living?

Breitbart runs his site part-time IIRC.

13 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:36:50pm

re: #2 freetoken

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

Yeah, Hot Air had a thread on that earlier today. Conservatives can't retreat from reality fast enough.

14 brookly red  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:37:39pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

I feel a slight urge to take that kind of thing personally since my entire life my dad has worked for the FDA...

I am all for smaller gubermint, but I do value the FDA... a lot.

15 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:37:46pm

re: #2 freetoken

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

The Birchers and kooks just don't want the FDA preventing them from polluting their essences...

/grain alcohol and rainwater, anyone?

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

...and conservatives don't seem to mind that they're being fed news from antisemitc conspiracy kooks like JBS and Alex Jones.

I mind, and Drudge can suck it. No traffic from me.

17 Racer X  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:39:21pm

re: #14 brookly red

I am all for smaller gubermint, but I do value the FDA... a lot.

Yes.

Smaller government means minimal government, not none.

18 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:39:26pm

re: #14 brookly red

I am all for smaller gubermint, but I do value the FDA... a lot.

Thanks, he's a research chemist, and my brother (also a chemistry major) may end up working there as well...

19 darthstar  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:39:39pm

re: #12 ArchangelMichael

Breitbart runs his site part-time IIRC.

So it's really the Brietbart report? It has to be one of the crappiest and basic sites on the internet (and I'm counting my now defunct geocities web page I created 10 years ago). Straight HTML...except for the pasted javascript for his ads.

20 LotharBot  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:40:00pm

OT: my sister-in-law leaves for Haiti in 2 hours, for a missions trip to help out at an orphanage. The trip was originally scheduled for mid-January, but they couldn't get in touch with the orphanage for several days after the quake and therefore had to reschedule. She'll be there until March 9.

Thoughts and prayers are appreciated.

21 Lidane  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:40:09pm

*sigh*

Is it really too much to ask for a sane, intellectual opposition in this country? It's nauseating to see the JBS back from the political dead, and to see nutjobs like Alex Jones finding legitimacy.

Drudge has always been a muckraker, but this is low even for his pathetic standards. =P

22 brookly red  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:40:24pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

...and conservatives don't seem to mind that they're being fed news from antisemitc conspiracy kooks like JBS and Alex Jones.

sure they do... they just know the difference between the baby & the bath water. Surely you do give others the credit of being able to walk & chew gum at the same time?

23 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:41:02pm

re: #20 LotharBot

OT: my sister-in-law leaves for Haiti in 2 hours, for a missions trip to help out at an orphanage. The trip was originally scheduled for mid-January, but they couldn't get in touch with the orphanage for several days after the quake and therefore had to reschedule. She'll be there until March 9.

Thoughts and prayers are appreciated.

May she help bring peace and comfort to many who have suffered Mother nature's wrath, and even before that probablyhad a standard of living most of us couldn't even imagine...

24 darthstar  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:41:23pm

re: #20 LotharBot

OT: my sister-in-law leaves for Haiti in 2 hours, for a missions trip to help out at an orphanage. The trip was originally scheduled for mid-January, but they couldn't get in touch with the orphanage for several days after the quake and therefore had to reschedule. She'll be there until March 9.

Thoughts and prayers are appreciated.

Wish her well. And tell her "No bus trips to the Dominican Republic!" /

Seriously, best thoughts to your sister-in-law. I admire people who are willing to volunteer their time to helping Haiti.

25 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:41:47pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

I mind, and Drudge can suck it. No traffic from me.

Seconded...Drudge, Breitbart, and their brethren can just f**k off and go take a long walk off a short pier.

26 brookly red  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:42:15pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

Thanks, he's a research chemist, and my brother (also a chemistry major) may end up working there as well...

so perhaps he could help explain why prescription drugs cost so much?

27 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:42:33pm

Hey, I just leveled up to a 2:1 karma – comment ratio. For my new feat I choose to weapon focus in satire. Yay me.

28 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:43:05pm

re: #26 brookly red

so perhaps he could help explain why prescription drugs cost so much?

Not really, there's a difference between being the guy who finds the cure for cancer and the one who decides how to market it.

29 brookly red  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:43:43pm

re: #28 jamesfirecat

Not really, there's a difference between being the guy who finds the cure for cancer and the one who decides how to market it.

touche!

31 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:46:47pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Hey, I just leveled up to a 2:1 karma – comment ratio. For my new feat I choose to weapon focus in satire. Yay me.

That's pretty good, the average Lizards seems to have a 1:1 karma – comment ratio. (Except for SpaceJesus with his 0:1 karma – comment ratio!)

32 SixDegrees  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:48:46pm

re: #2 freetoken

Anti-FDA fever appears to be sweeping the right-o-sphere, with several articles/essays popping up here and there...

It isn't altogether unwarranted. The FDA's handling of Avandia, for instance, has been wanting, to be kind. And, although there hasn't yet been a serious problem, their management of Mad Cow disease monitoring and prevention, as well as other food-borne illness issues, has been less than inspiring. They need to start getting their shit together.

33 teleskiguy  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:49:23pm

Regulation of vitamins and supplements?!? The Kommunist Konsfearasy continues! Hope y'all have your bunkers built and stocked!
/ (Am I doing this right? The foward slash is sarc, eh?)

34 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:49:58pm

re: #32 SixDegrees

Does the FDA even have a sufficient number of staff?

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:50:49pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Regulation of vitamins and supplements?!? The Kommunist Konsfearasy continues! Hope y'all have your bunkers built and stocked!
/ (Am I doing this right? The foward slash is sarc, eh?)

Very good. You may do multiple slashes to indicate more intense sarcasm.

36 SixDegrees  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:51:11pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Does the FDA even have a sufficient number of staff?

Unknown. I don't think the problems I mentioned are staffing related, however. They're more organizational in nature.

37 brookly red  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:51:11pm

re: #30 Bubblehead II

Well this is probably a good reason for the FDA to be involved in regulating dietary supplements.

"The supplements in this table have been linked to serious adverse events or to theoretical risks. We found them for sale on the Web in individual or multi-ingredient products. Although the FDA has not acted on all of these ingredients, we advise avoiding them for self-treatment."

regulate vitamin C, and legalize pot? Hmmmmm... It's all a tax scam to me.

38 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:54:29pm

re: #37 brookly red

regulate vitamin C, and legalize pot? Hmmm... It's all a tax scam to me.

I don't see vitamin C...

Androstenedione
Aristolochic acid
Bitter orange
Cesium
Chaparral
Colloidal silver
Graviola
Kava
Lobelia
Organ/glandular
Yohimbe


;)

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:54:58pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Hey, I just leveled up to a 2:1 karma – comment ratio. For my new feat I choose to weapon focus in satire. Yay me.

Rookie move, wasting a feat like that. You get WF:Satire as a free feat at the next anyway, and the effect doesn't stack. You should have picked Greater Double Entendre, but now you'll just be stuck with this.

40 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

;)

Aristolochic acid appears in certain Traditional Chinese Medicines, and "bitter organge peel" is also used in some formulae.

I hope the FDA, if they do get in on this crap, keep in mind that there are professionals who use these substances without harm to others, and that it's a buncha jackasses who don't know what they're doing who end up - or cause - all the problems.

41 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:58:11pm

re: #32 SixDegrees

It isn't altogether unwarranted. The FDA's handling of Avandia, for instance, has been wanting, to be kind. And, although there hasn't yet been a serious problem, their management of Mad Cow disease monitoring and prevention, as well as other food-borne illness issues, has been less than inspiring. They need to start getting their shit together.

They're never going to be perfect and things are always going to fall through the cracks. Could you imagine what it would be like without the FDA? It would be a nightmare of epic proportions. These fantasies that business will regulate itself for the common good are just bullshit.

42 Randall Gross  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:58:25pm

Matt in bed with the birchers. It just shows you who's signing the checks nowadays.

43 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:58:41pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Not Really.

This is a 1989 report, but it is still germane to the discussion. They have known about these problems but have failed to correct them.


Results in Brief Due to staffing shortages, FDA officials have reported that there has been inadequate coverage of some activities. Since fiscal year 1980. new laws and other public health problems have significantly increased FDA'S responsibilities while its staffing levels have decreased. FDA also reports experiencing difficulties in recruiting and retaining staff because of the disparity in pay and other benefits between the federal government and the private sector. Inadequate office and laboratory space and scientific equipment add to FDA'S resource problems.
To fulfill its current responsibilities effectively, FDA estimates it needs
about 2,000 additional staff.

44 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:58:44pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

Just for fun, Google "yohimbe". I ran into massive quantities of it in an industrial situation.

45 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:59:20pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Just for fun, Google "yohimbe". I ran into massive quantities of it in an industrial situation.

Adult Film Expo?

46 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 3:59:57pm

re: #45 Guanxi88

Adult Film Expo?

Boiler water conditioner.

47 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:02:21pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Boiler water conditioner.

Ohh, right.

Hey, I'm hip!

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:02:29pm

Since the FDA does not regulate dietary supplements, nor their claims, we get a-holes like this scumbag selling vit. B supplements on tv as a cure for Alzheimer's Disease.

No shame, profiting from the pain of others by selling snake oil remedies.

49 SixDegrees  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:02:46pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

They're never going to be perfect and things are always going to fall through the cracks. Could you imagine what it would be like without the FDA? It would be a nightmare of epic proportions. These fantasies that business will regulate itself for the common good are just bullshit.

Avandia, and the E.coli and Salmonella outbreaks that have plagued the food industry in the last couple of years, hardly constitutes "falling through the cracks."

And I never said anything about abolishing the FDA. I said that criticism of them is justified, based on their track record.

50 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:02:47pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

Ohh, right.

Hey, I'm hip!

But...are you where it's at???

51 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:03:27pm

I see Drudge is out there pimping his site for traffic. It's just skanky.

52 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:04:07pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

The shop was dusted 1/32 inch thick. Guys weren't complaining, though

53 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:04:27pm

re: #50 Varek Raith

But...are you where it's at???

No, sir, that's your department. You are where it's at, I'm hip, and I believe our sometime-colleague Cato the Elder is up on what's going down. There's a clear division of responsibilities and duties here. We've got a union, after all.

54 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:04:48pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

The shop was dusted 1/32 inch thick. Guys weren't complaining, though

Their wives might have been, though.

55 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:05:48pm

re: #54 Guanxi88

Their wives might have been, though.

Very low turnover, high absenteeism.

56 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:08:41pm

re: #53 Guanxi88

No, sir, that's your department. You are where it's at, I'm hip, and I believe our sometime-colleague Cato the Elder is up on what's going down. There's a clear division of responsibilities and duties here. We've got a union, after all.

Kids...I'm "hep".

57 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:10:12pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Kids...I'm "hep".

Then you've got some seniority, sir. Come, sit your reet-pleated ass down and tell us about the days pre-union.

58 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:16:23pm

re: #57 Guanxi88

Had to look up reet-pleated, more black tutrtleneck and expresso, here. I have seen the finest minds of my generation destroyed by blogs, tweeting hysterical memes.

59 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:17:48pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

Had to look up reet-pleated, more black tutrtleneck and expresso, here. I have seen the finest minds of my generation destroyed by blogs, tweeting hysterical memes.

HA! I KNEW YOU'D FAKED YOUR DEATH!

AL, how the hell have you been?

60 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:19:49pm

re: #59 Guanxi88

HA! I KNEW YOU'D FAKED YOUR DEATH!

AL, how the hell have you been?

Studying Plotinus, Poe, St. John of the Cross.

61 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:21:26pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Studying Plotinus, Poe, St. John of the Cross.

I was always a Burroughs guy. It's like the Beatles vs. Stones vs. Zepplin thing. Everybody falls into one of a few groups.

62 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:26:03pm

re: #61 Guanxi88

I was always a Burroughs guy. It's like the Beatles vs. Stones vs. Zepplin thing. Everybody falls into one of a few groups.

Celine got me out of the depressives. But the movies about Bukowski have sucked me back in.

Actually most like Rexroth, who disowned the Beats.

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:34:58pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

...and conservatives don't seem to mind that they're being fed news from antisemitc conspiracy kooks like JBS and Alex Jones.

I mind, and I'm also OK with the Feds regulating Supplements. Yes Folks, D_F just came out in favor of regulating something.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:41:28pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

If the FDA gets into it, they won't just be regulating the content of the supplements, but also the claims made about their effects when sold. See my #48, it would be a good thing IMO.

65 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:44:50pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth

If the FDA gets into it, they won't just be regulating the content of the supplements, but also the claims made about their effects when sold. See my #48, it would be a good thing IMO.

Quite Concur.

66 ryannon  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 4:46:46pm

re: #61 Guanxi88

I was always a Burroughs guy. It's like the Beatles vs. Stones vs. Zepplin thing. Everybody falls into one of a few groups.

A little Burroughs gem I discovered during my marathon one-week viewing of all The Sopranos episodes (88 hours in seven days).

Certainly the best series ever, since the original Flash Gordon!

67 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 5:47:27pm

J.D. Hayworth gives an interview to the Birch Society at CPAC. Video at the link.

68 Spockista  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 7:03:46pm

In Drudge's regular links he has "Joe Sobran", and in case you don't know who he is, Sobran is part of the old Sam Francis/Willis Carto crowd.

69 Spockista  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 10:05:30pm

More on Sobran who has a stayed link on Drudge:

from Wiki:

In 2001 and 2003 Sobran spoke at conferences organized by Holocaust denier David Irving.[1] Holocaust denial movement sharing the podium with Sobran included Paul Fromm, Charles D. Provan, and Mark Weber, director of the Institute for Historical Review. In 2002 he spoke at the Institute for Historical Review's annual conference.[2]

but...wait...there's more...

He also argues that the 9/11 attacks were a result of the U.S. Government's policies regarding the Middle East. He claims those policies are formed by the "Jewish-Zionist powers that be in the United States."[10]
[edit]

Nice friends the Drudge/BigGov crowd keeps....

70 oldegeezr  Fri, Feb 26, 2010 10:07:24am

They’re gonna haftah...

"...pry the flax seed oil, turmeric and saw palmetto berries out of my cold dead hands…"

Damn it…!

71 oldegeezr  Fri, Feb 26, 2010 8:26:57pm

OK, ok...
Thank you.
Thank you..
Thank you...

Charleston Heston...!


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