Live Video: KHON2 on Tsunami Alert

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The tsunami is expected to begin hitting the islands of Hawaii in the next 20 minutes or so; this is a live stream of the local CBS channel. (Changed from KHON because it’s better quality…)

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Here’s the live Twitter feed as well:

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UPDATE at 2/27/10 12:58:42 pm:

Here’s a webcam showing a live view of Waikoloa on the island of Hawaii:

Earthcam Video

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409 comments

1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:48:54pm

Here's my prayers for no fatalities.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:49:30pm

15 minutes away from Hilo.

3 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:51:24pm

Let's hope everyone will be ok.

I assume the wave will continue on to Japan, etc but have diminished some...

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:52:13pm

Webcam with a live view of Waikoloa:

[Link: images.earthcam.com...]

5 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:52:20pm

Here we go.....

6 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:53:22pm

Six foot tsunami in the Marquesas.

7 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:53:47pm

Check out this image of the energy that the quake released that Phil Plait posted:

Image: chileem.jpg

8 Tumulus11  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:54:19pm

. Green shirt surfboard dude needs to go ashore and seek high ground.

9 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:55:42pm

re: #7 Mojave

Check out this image of the energy that the quake released that Phil Plait posted:

[Link: wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov...]

Thanks! That one will print printed better than the much smaller version that P.Z. Myers posted.

10 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:55:49pm

re: #6 austin_blue

Six foot tsunami in the Marquesas.

Isn't that twice what it was thought it might be?

11 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:57:09pm

re: #10 Silvergirl

Isn't that twice what it was thought it might be?

You never can tell. The shape of come bays has a tendency to focus and amplify the wave.

12 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:57:18pm

Hopefully the good folks in Hawaii are forewarned and forearmed. I suspect they are. Let's hope no lives are lost in our 50th state.

13 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:57:50pm

UStream also has the local CBS news feed.

14 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:58:29pm

Tourists in Waikiki have been told to get to the third floor or higher in their hotels.

15 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:58:57pm

re: #12 _RememberTonyC

Hopefully the good folks in Hawaii are forewarned and forearmed. I suspect they are. Let's hope no lives are lost in our 50th state.

Alarms had been going off there since about 6 a.m their time (about 5 hours ago)

16 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:59:32pm

re: #4 Charles

Webcam with a live view of Waikoloa:

[Link: images.earthcam.com...]

Thanks Charles. That's right where I was married to Mrs BigPapa.

17 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:59:38pm
18 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 12:59:50pm

I just added the webcam from Waikoloa to the post above -- seems to be updating at 3-second intervals.

19 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:01:36pm

1 minute....

20 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:02:44pm

I've been watching the ustream video for over an hour and I use firefox. So far it's been fine.

21 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:03:00pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

Alarms had been going off there since about 6 a.m their time (about 5 hours ago)

i was watching a show my son was working on from the carrier dome, and then my other son had a game. so i'm a step slow today (just like the celts were against NJ)

22 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:03:43pm

re: #20 Irenicum

I've been watching the ustream video for over an hour and I use firefox. So far it's been fine.

Working in Safari... whatever kind of feed that is, it's much more stable than youtube stuff coming over my DSL.

23 jaunte  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:04:07pm

Looks like 3 or 4 dogs are wandering through that Waikoloa webcam image.

24 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:04:44pm

CBS cutting to shot of Hilo bay.

25 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:04:45pm

I've never been to a tsunami before. I hope I'm dressed for it.

26 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:05:26pm

re: #24 The Sanity Inspector

CBS cutting to shot of Hilo bay.

May I suggest a snorkle!?!

27 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:06:02pm

re: #25 MandyManners

I've never been to a tsunami before. I hope I'm dressed for it.

(ooppss ,,, missed my target )

May I suggest a snorkle !?!?!

28 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:06:04pm

re: #25 MandyManners

I've never been to a tsunami before. I hope I'm dressed for it.

I'm pissed I don't have any beer.

29 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:06:25pm

....Annnnnd CBS feed is crashing!

30 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:07:07pm

re: #23 jaunte

Looks like 3 or 4 dogs are wandering through that Waikoloa webcam image.

I think they're statues ,, haven't seen them budge through about 7 different updates

31 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:07:07pm

Just refresh the CBS feed (the little button on the lower left)

32 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:07:13pm

re: #23 jaunte

Looks like 3 or 4 dogs are wandering through that Waikoloa webcam image.

Looks like statues to me.

33 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:07:20pm

The feed in #13 is really good, now.

34 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:07:35pm

I keep getting kicked to the front page. It's that fucking USTREAM.

35 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:07:46pm

re: #28 BigPapa

I'm pissed I don't have any beer.

Maybe some will float by!!

(sorry!!!!)

36 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:09:15pm

re: #28 BigPapa

I'm pissed I don't have any beer.

re: #27 sattv4u2

(ooppss ,,, missed my target )

May I suggest a snorkle !?!?!

re: #25 MandyManners

I've never been to a tsunami before. I hope I'm dressed for it.

Am I missing something, or is this suppose to be funny? Because I'm missing the humor.

37 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:10:29pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

It's not funny.

38 jaunte  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:10:45pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

Very, very slow dogs...

39 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:11:01pm

I hope it ends up being nothing much.

40 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:11:02pm

re: #28 BigPapa

I'm pissed I don't have any beer.

No beer?! You poor thing.

41 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:11:16pm

Uncle Tosh and Auntie T are in Hilo. Praying they have made it to higher ground.

42 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:11:31pm

To all of the people of Hawaii: The prayers of many are with you and your families.

43 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:11:37pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something, or is this suppose to be funny? Because I'm missing the humor.

Gallows humor ,, sorry, we're all waiting for something that could be tragic to happen and trying to lighten the load while praying for the best

44 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:11:50pm

the people in Hawaii are prepared .... I expect relatively few casualties

45 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:12:14pm

re: #34 MandyManners

I keep getting kicked to the front page. It's that fucking USTREAM.

No, it's that fucking I.E..

46 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:12:33pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something, or is this suppose to be funny? Because I'm missing the humor.

It's supposed to be funny. People deal with stress in different ways, I like humor. My wife is pretty tense.

If this turns out to be bad then nobody will be cracking jokes.

47 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:12:36pm

Water's receding.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:12:56pm

My inlaws are in Honolulu--husband says this should affect them at all, unless they want to go to the Ala Moana McDonalds, which is apparently gonna close early.

Standing by with prayers for a casualty-free wave. 7 feet, which is what they're predicting, is not bad at all, it's just a matter of making sure everyone stays safe.

Still trying to imagine what the Chile quake must have been like. I've never been in anything bigger than the 1989 Loma Prieta shake. 8.8 must be like having the world explode under your feet.

49 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:13:12pm

I just got in after running around all day. This is nuts. News says water is receding.

50 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:13:23pm

The alert could last more than 6 hours.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:13:45pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

My inlaws are in Honolulu--husband says this shouldn't affect them at all, unless they want to go to the Ala Moana McDonalds, which is apparently gonna close early.

Standing by with prayers for a casualty-free wave. 7 feet, which is what they're predicting, is not bad at all, it's just a matter of making sure everyone stays safe.

Still trying to imagine what the Chile quake must have been like. I've never been in anything bigger than the 1989 Loma Prieta shake. 8.8 must be like having the world explode under your feet.

PIMF

52 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:13:55pm

re: #44 _RememberTonyC

the people in Hawaii are prepared ... I expect relatively few casualties

Our phone was ringing by 5AM from family in Hilo and Waimea. We're prepared.

53 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:14:13pm

re: #50 Charles

The alert could last more than 6 hours.

Yes, but it's looking real good in Hilo so far.

54 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:14:17pm

re: #46 BigPapa

It's supposed to be funny. People deal with stress in different ways, I like humor. My wife is pretty tense.

If this turns out to be bad then nobody will be cracking jokes.

Up-ding.

55 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:14:20pm

re: #46 BigPapa

It's supposed to be funny. People deal with stress in different ways, I like humor. My wife is pretty tense.

If this turns out to be bad then nobody will be cracking jokes.

Yes... and some people deal with stress in inappropriate ways, you're right. Humor is inappropriate in my opinion.

But what do I know.

56 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:15:22pm

I don't know if the water is really receding. Could be just rumor. No confirmation on it.

57 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:15:31pm

re: #46 BigPapa

It's supposed to be funny. People deal with stress in different ways, I like humor. My wife is pretty tense.

If this turns out to be bad then nobody will be cracking jokes.

I deal with things by making jokes. Drives my wife nuts. Is what it is though. I think it'll be property damage, but thanks to technology no casualties. Except for daredevils.

58 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:15:38pm

The water receding is not a good sign. That's how the children died at the elementary school outside of Hilo in the Tsunami years ago. They went out onto the beach to see all the fish flopping around. There are laws in HI now about how close to the beach you can build a school.

59 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:16:13pm

CNN announced the water's receding.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:17:00pm

re: #58 prairiefire

The water receding is not a good sign. That's how the children died at the elementary school outside of Hilo in the Tsunami years ago. They went out onto the beach to see all the fish flopping around. There are laws in HI now about how close to the beach you can build a school.

Sounds like the cops are doing their best to get everyone inside and back from the beach. God willing, they'll have done a good job on that.

61 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:17:23pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Yes... and some people deal with stress in inappropriate ways, you're right. Humor is inappropriate in my opinion.

But what do I know.

Since BigPapa is in Hawaii, and he said earlier that his wife was handling the stress by online shopping, it shows humans doing what they do to get by and make an edgy feeling feel more calm. As he said, nobody will be cracking jokes if things take a dangerous turn, but folks have to cope.

62 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:17:27pm

re: #57 cliffster

I deal with things by making jokes. Drives my wife nuts. Is what it is though. I think it'll be property damage, but thanks to technology no casualties. Except for daredevils.

I was a laugh-a-minute during my divorce.

63 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:18:12pm

Now more than 10 minutes after ETA. Nothing happening.

64 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:18:25pm
65 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:18:32pm

CNN just showed some nut who's swimming.

66 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:18:54pm

You all have fun then... I'm out of this thread.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:19:14pm

re: #65 MandyManners

CNN just showed some nut who's swimming.

How far out is the nut? I've been told that surfing is no big deal, so long as you get well past the break.

68 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:19:23pm

re: #64 MikeySDCA

This could pan out as the greatest non-event since Geraldo and the vault,

I hope.

69 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:19:30pm

They're seeing some activity at a local beach -- some receding and discoloration in the water.

70 keloyd  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:19:57pm

discoloration? why?

71 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:00pm

Yep, there's an idiot out there in the water.

72 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:00pm

An idiot is wading in the surf.

73 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:05pm

re: #63 Charles

Now more than 10 minutes after ETA. Nothing happening.

Whales are frolicking in Hilo Bay..

74 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:05pm

re: #58 prairiefire

The water receding is not a good sign. That's how the children died at the elementary school outside of Hilo in the Tsunami years ago. They went out onto the beach to see all the fish flopping around. There are laws in HI now about how close to the beach you can build a school.

I just saw the National Geo video called Tsunami: Killer Wave (about 2-3 weeks ago) that showed those scenes from Hilo.

75 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:12pm

re: #65 MandyManners

CNN just showed some nut who's swimming.

I don't think BIGPAPA appreciates being called 'some nut"!!!

//

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:12pm

re: #68 MandyManners

I hope.

Yeah, that would be nice!

77 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:16pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

How far out is the nut? I've been told that surfing is no big deal, so long as you get well past the break.

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

How far out is the nut? I've been told that surfing is no big deal, so long as you get well past the break.

This was near the beach. Very near.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:39pm

re: #73 austin_blue

Whales are frolicking in Hilo Bay..

Well, if THEY'RE OUT past the break....

///

79 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:20:41pm

DARWIN ALERT.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:21:08pm

re: #77 MandyManners

This was near the beach. Very near.

Well, that's probably fairly stupid, then.

81 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:21:56pm

By the way, although rare, there is always the possibility someday of being an Atlantic Ocean tsunami.

82 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:22:15pm

Water receding is now confirmed on the Big Island...

83 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:22:18pm

re: #70 keloyd

discoloration? why?

Lotsa' water being displaced?

84 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:23:25pm

There's more than one knucklehead out there in the water.

85 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:23:46pm

re: #79 MandyManners

DARWIN ALERT.

yeah no shit

86 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:24:18pm

Why does the water recede before the tsunami hits?

87 keloyd  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:24:55pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Lotsa' water being displaced?

That explains it being somewhere else, not a change in color. :P
I'm Texan since age 0.5, so all I know about water is you have to dig wells for it, and there's not enough to go around.

88 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:25:06pm

re: #86 Irenicum

Why does the water recede before the tsunami hits?

All waves are a cycle of a peak and a trough. The trough is coming in first.

89 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:25:06pm

There's a bug on the lens.

90 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:25:20pm

The CBS anchors are exclaiming over a larger-than-normal breaker.

91 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:25:58pm

re: #70 keloyd

discoloration? why?

As the tsunami moves across the ocean it picks up sediment and anything else in it's path. When that water hits the bay and then recedes, lots of the "stuff" gets left behind, changing the coloration of the water thats there

92 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:26:32pm

Charles said:

There's more than one knucklehead out there in the water.

A helo from HPD took a guy out of the water, I think they just said.

Kinda reminds me of the guy who stayed behind when St. Helens blew. He died.

93 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:26:47pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

Sweet, Bill Nye the Science Guy is posting on LGF

94 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:27:37pm

A "river of mud" pouring into Wailua... water rising...

95 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:28:04pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Lotsa' water being displaced?

Turbulence stirring up bottom sediments as the water flows down and backwards across them.

This is also a warning sign that a slot canyon is about to flash flood. Water in the stream suddenly carrying a trickle of sediment means something upstream dislodged it, and you should start climbing as fast as you can.

96 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:28:10pm

re: #94 Charles

A "river of mud" pouring into Wailua... water rising...

What link is that?

97 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:28:13pm

re: #86 Irenicum

Why does the water recede before the tsunami hits?

If the first part of a tsunami to reach land is a trough (called a drawback) rather than a wave crest, the water along the shoreline recedes dramatically, exposing normally submerged areas.


. . .
Drawback begins before the wave's arrival at an interval equal to half of the wave's period. If the slope of the coastal seabed is moderate, drawback can exceed hundreds of meters. People unaware of the danger sometimes remain near the shore to satisfy their curiosity or to collect fish from the exposed seabed. During the Indian Ocean tsunami, the sea withdrew and many people went onto the exposed sea bed to investigate. Pictures show people walking on the normally submerged areas with the advancing wave in the background. Few survived.
98 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:28:15pm

Talking about a bunch of mud coming in.

99 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:28:31pm

That's from CNN ...

100 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:28:48pm

I'm going for some quiet reflection. Later, lizards.

101 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:29:18pm

MSNBC is not all about prisons and parole hearings today.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:29:37pm

re: #87 keloyd

That explains it being somewhere else, not a change in color. :P
I'm Texan since age 0.5, so all I know about water is you have to dig wells for it, and there's not enough to go around.

I imagine the action of the wave pulls up sediment from the floor as the wave closes in to land. But anyone who knows how things things work feel free to correct me.

103 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:30:04pm

Tsunami watch like a sporting event. Live HD video, interviews, play-by-play. Welcome to 2010

104 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:30:08pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout

One family vacationing in Thailand during the '04 tsunami was saved, because the little daughter remembered from science class what the receding water signified. She told her parents, and they had enough sense to heed her and get away from the shore.

105 keloyd  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:30:23pm

Independence Day on TNT update - they just tried nukes and showed some inaccurate footage of Houston. Both FAIL.

106 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:31:06pm

BBL

107 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:31:28pm

re: #103 cliffster

Yeah, it is kinda surreal.I have my TV on, I'm watching the ustream feed, and I'm here following LGF. Totally weird.

108 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:31:35pm

CBS feed just crapped out again. Frustrating...

109 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:33:00pm

re: #107 Irenicum

Yeah, it is kinda surreal.I have my TV on, I'm watching the ustream feed, and I'm here following LGF. Totally weird.

I felt "displaced" when I hopped in my car to go buy some smokes.

110 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:33:30pm

Is it receding or is it low tide, CNN?

111 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:34:28pm

Explained the Chile earthquake to my 4-year-old girl (she already understood, from talking about Haiti. Smart kid) She just asked, "if houses crash down, where do the people live? Good question

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:35:57pm

re: #110 MandyManners

Is it receding or is it low tide, CNN?

The Mudflats says that they're expecting the wave to hit Kodiak later this afternoon, but at about two and a half feet.

The Navy's sent a bunch of ships out of Pearl to avoid any damage.

113 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:36:09pm

re: #111 cliffster

Explained the Chile earthquake to my 4-year-old girl (she already understood, from talking about Haiti. Smart kid) She just asked, "if houses crash down, where do the people live? Good question

When I told The Kid about the Haiti quake, he asked me why nothing exciting ever happens here.

114 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:36:15pm

At least Chile has decent building codes.

115 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:36:47pm

Water is dropping now in Hilo Bay.

116 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:37:02pm

re: #111 cliffster

Explained the Chile earthquake to my 4-year-old girl (she already understood, from talking about Haiti. Smart kid) She just asked, "if houses crash down, where do the people live? Good question

Indeed.

Not to make light of either catastrophe, it's somewhat fortunate that they occurred in climates that are fairly benign. Imagine hundreds of thousands of people forced out into the streets of, say, St. Paul, Minnesota in January. You could multiply the death toll several times due to exposure.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:39:34pm

re: #114 Mojave

At least Chile has decent building codes.

With an 8.8, if they didn't, there wouldn't be a wall standing. Damn.

The difference that makes cannot be overemphasized.

118 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:39:55pm

I wonder how many tsunami parties are being thrown.

119 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:40:08pm

re: #108 austin_blue

CBS feed just crapped out again. Frustrating...

I have it. They said fish were flopping around.

120 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:41:20pm

Very definite water recession...

121 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:41:27pm

Chile was pretty well prepared. A decent economy and a competent government, and a long history of earthquakes, so the major buildings were well-built.

I loaded up Google Earth and scrolled down to Chile and if you have the feature enabled, you can see that they've had a LOT of earthquakes in that country.

122 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:41:37pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

Nick Kristof mentioned that earlier today. Wealth and poverty make a world of difference between how many people die or survive.

123 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:41:39pm

Water is indeed going out in Hilo Bay. It's usually like a lake there and I see a little river stream moving out around Coconut Island.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:42:18pm

I personally think the Ohlone prepared best. A typical Ohlone home from the old days, if it collapsed during a quake, you'd pick it out of your hair and start putting it back up.

125 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:42:39pm

Water is definitely receding strongly now in the Waikoloa (hilo bay) feed, it was at least two feet higher before.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:42:42pm

re: #123 BigPapa

Water is indeed going out in Hilo Bay. It's usually like a lake there and I see a little river stream moving out around Coconut Island.

Can you see the water personally from where you are?

127 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:42:54pm

One place that isn't prepared is the midwestern U.S. Very possible an earthquake there in the future.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:43:27pm

re: #127 Mojave

One place that isn't prepared is the midwestern U.S. Very possible an earthquake there in the future.

That would be rough.

129 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:44:02pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

With an 8.8, if they didn't, there wouldn't be a wall standing. Damn.

The difference that makes cannot be overemphasized.

Unlike Haiti, Chile not only has a long history of earthquakes, but very large ones have been frequent there, serving as a constant reminder of the necessity to plan accordingly. The last comparable earthquake in Haiti occurred about 200 years ago. It's easy to forget what can happen.

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:44:32pm

Here's hoping for a sudden outbreak of common sense, and nobody will say "It's passed. I'm going back out."

131 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:45:23pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you see the water personally from where you are?

I live maybe 1000 yards from the ocean but cannot directly see a beach or surf. I usually hear waves when there's a swell or storm, but barely otherwise.

I live 25 miles south of the Waikoloa cam feed, so the surge would hit here first.

Water moving around in Hilo Bay, coming back in.

132 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:46:06pm

Yes, you can definitely see the water moving around in that CBS feed now...

133 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:46:34pm

re: #131 BigPapa

Yes, I hear them saying the surge is beginning to come in.

134 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:46:39pm

lots of extreme weather in the country ..... earthquake activity in Haiti and Chile ... tsunami warnings ... ... record snowfalls ...

Is it because of climate change or is it simply Bush's fault?

135 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:46:48pm

Here it comes. Up over a foot in the last two minutes.

136 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:47:02pm

holy crap...

137 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:47:15pm

re: #127 Mojave

One place that isn't prepared is the midwestern U.S. Very possible an earthquake there in the future.

Not just possible - it's a certainty. The New Madrid earthquake in 1812, centered in Missouri, remains the most powerful quake recorded in the continental US, and was felt as far away as New York.

It'll happen again, and the results will be devastating. Building codes in the region simply don't account for such things, and the population today is vastly larger than it was 200 years ago.

138 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:47:16pm

re: #109 MandyManners

People still smoke? I quit in 2007 because it dawned on me that I wasn't really interested in any of the myriad health benefits smoking conveys. I might have quit anyway, given that non-shitty cigs are about $6.00 a pack now ($8.00 if you like American Spirit, which was my favorite - otherwise it was Camel Turkish Gold). I'm in Texas; I've heard of $10 per pack on the coasts. Yowza.

Quitting smoking wasn't easy, but it also wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. That said, I engaged in some really awful junkie-like behaviors while going through withdrawals (I was disciplined enough not to buy a new pack, but that didn't stop me from scavenging butts from the parking lot - gross, I know).

I don't miss it much, but as soon as someone invents a truly consequence-free cigarette, I'll be one of the first in line, I bet.

139 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:47:46pm

twitter is freaking out!

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:48:27pm

re: #129 SixDegrees

Unlike Haiti, Chile not only has a long history of earthquakes, but very large ones have been frequent there, serving as a constant reminder of the necessity to plan accordingly. The last comparable earthquake in Haiti occurred about 200 years ago. It's easy to forget what can happen.

Also, Chile has a functioning economy and government. According to the NYTimes today, 18% of the population living in poverty, as opposed to Haiti's 80%.

Haiti simply couldn't have been ready no matter what.

141 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:49:35pm

CBS feed, the water is going out again, down by two feet, up by three, now dropping again in only minutes...

142 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:49:35pm

RE: SixDegrees

Right on, that what I was thinking about.

143 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:50:17pm

Dude on CNN just said "hugest". As in, that was the hugest earthquake recorded.

144 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:50:57pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, Chile has a functioning economy and government. According to the NYTimes today, 18% of the population living in poverty, as opposed to Haiti's 80%.

Haiti simply couldn't have been ready no matter what.

True. But Kansas City isn't ready for a devastating earthquake, either, despite it's location near the epicenter of the continental US' largest recorded earthquake. It's hard to get people to act on risks that are perceptually remote.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:51:11pm

re: #143 cliffster

Dude on CNN just said "hugest". As in, that was the hugest earthquake recorded.

If he was talking about today, no, that was not the hugest earthquake recorded.

Where do they GET these people on CNN?

/

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:51:39pm

re: #144 SixDegrees

True. But Kansas City isn't ready for a devastating earthquake, either, despite it's location near the epicenter of the continental US' largest recorded earthquake. It's hard to get people to act on risks that are perceptually remote.

Also true. And KC could be prepared, at least better prepared.

147 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:51:46pm

Phil Plait at Bad Atronomy posted a link and it was NOT the largest earthequake ever. Acturally, it is about 8th all-time since records have been kept.

148 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:51:57pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

If he was talking about today, no, that was not the hugest earthquake recorded.

Where do they GET these people on CNN?

/

The nation's journalism schools.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:52:37pm

re: #148 SixDegrees

The nation's journalism schools.

They need to teach them gooder grammar.

150 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:52:42pm

julie banderas is smokin hot

151 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:52:46pm

Earthquake in Argentina.

152 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:52:50pm

re: #141 ausador

CBS feed, the water is going out again, down by two feet, up by three, now dropping again in only minutes...

Fascinating, isn't it?

Science!

153 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:53:06pm

OT

Marie Osmond's Son Commits Suicide
[Link: www.people.com...]

what a waste!

154 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:53:28pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

In a CNN article this morning I read "air on the side of caution."

155 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:54:05pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

They need to teach them gooder grammar.

Tahts wut editers r 4.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:54:08pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Earthquake in Argentina.

6.3

2 reported dead at this time.

157 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:54:36pm

The water in Hilo bay looks like it is really sloshing around - in then out then in...

158 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:55:21pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Earthquake in Argentina.

really??

159 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:55:28pm

Anyone asked Pat Robertson for his take yet?

160 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:56:10pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Also true. And KC could be prepared, at least better prepared.

I think they've recently begun to implement more stringent building codes. Nothing like those on the west coast, but better than what they're required up 'til now.

Which still leaves all those existing buildings vulnerable.

And the geography of the east tends to conduct earthquakes over longer distances. The New Madrid quake was felt as far away as New York, where it still broke windows, while the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 wasn't noticed more than a few hundred miles away. Cities like New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit and Washington are at high risk, and none of them enforce much in the way of earthquake resistant building codes.

161 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:56:37pm

No. 158 clifster

CNN said 6.0 but SFZionist said 6.2.

162 keloyd  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:56:37pm

It sounds like George W. Bush has not yet returned from walking too and fro upon the earth.

163 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:57:18pm

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

julie banderas is smokin hot

Mostly, yes.

164 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:57:40pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

They need to teach them gooder grammar.

Good grammar ain't easy.

165 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:58:24pm

re: #153 sattv4u2

There are about 150 tasteless jokes that practically write themselves. I'll refrain, somehow.

166 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:58:43pm

re: #160 SixDegrees

I think they've recently begun to implement more stringent building codes. Nothing like those on the west coast, but better than what they're required up 'til now.

Which still leaves all those existing buildings vulnerable.

And the geography of the east tends to conduct earthquakes over longer distances. The New Madrid quake was felt as far away as New York, where it still broke windows, while the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 wasn't noticed more than a few hundred miles away. Cities like New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit and Washington are at high risk, and none of them enforce much in the way of earthquake resistant building codes.

St. Louis, Nashville, Memphis, Louisville, Frankfort, et cet.

167 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:58:58pm

re: #159 Charles

Anyone asked Pat Robertson for his take yet?

Maybe he's on vacation in Hawaii. Wasn't he that guy we saw earlier with the surfboard?

168 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:59:18pm

Watching local Hawaiian news I think is better than watching the national networks (MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc.). They obviously know their backyard better.

169 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:59:23pm

re: #159 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He's not returning my calls. I WANT MY MONEY BACK.

170 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:59:26pm

Wow. In Hilo Bay the little stream in Coconut Island is cycling more aggressively.

171 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:59:30pm

six degrees ..... greg gutfeld gets people to do crazy stuff on red eye ... that is a funny show

172 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:59:41pm

re: #159 Charles

Anyone asked Pat Robertson for his take yet?

You'd think that Key West, Provincetown, and Mykonos would be smoking holes by now, eh?

173 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 1:59:48pm

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

julie banderas is smokin hot

Sorry ,, did you say something !?!?
SOFIA VERGARA
Image: sofia-vergara-picture-4.jpg

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:00:20pm

re: #161 MandyManners

No. 158 clifster

CNN said 6.0 but SFZionist said 6.2.

USGS says 6.3

175 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:00:39pm

re: #159 Charles

Anyone asked Pat Robertson for his take yet?

I have no doubt there is evil in Chile.

As with Haiti: strap his sorry ass to an aid package, and ship it down there. Let him dig through rubble for a month, under the same circumstances as those he's there to assist, then ask him what he thinks of the devastation.

176 windsagio  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:00:45pm

It'd be interesting to see a sattelite image of the area right after, I bet you'll see amazing mud trails.

177 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:01:30pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

sofia vergara ... beter than viagra ... she should do ads for the little blue pill

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:01:57pm

re: #175 SixDegrees

I have no doubt there is evil in Chile.

As with Haiti: strap his sorry ass to an aid package, and ship it down there. Let him dig through rubble for a month, under the same circumstances as those he's there to assist, then ask him what he thinks of the devastation.

There has been a wild stream of satirical comments in Pat Robertson's name, mostly blaming the quake on their prosecution of Pinochet, but also many other things.

So far, no sign that he's said anything himself, though.

179 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:02:43pm

You might see some volcanic activity from this quake, but not right away. That's a lot of energy and it might bubble up the other side in the form of inactive volcanoes heating up or going active.

180 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:02:58pm

I think it is awesome all knew about this several hours before hand, and that I can watch it happen in real time over the internet, and discuss it with people thousands of miles away.

Science!

181 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:03:54pm

re: #180 BigPapa

Yes, it's truly miraculous

182 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:04:02pm

Too bad those in Indonesia didn't know before hand.

183 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:04:14pm

I hope Rick and T.C. are okay.

184 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:04:16pm

re: #177 _RememberTonyC

Aishwarya Rai.

That is all.

185 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:04:46pm

re: #180 BigPapa

I think it is awesome all knew about this several hours before hand, and that I can watch it happen in real time over the internet, and discuss it with people thousands of miles away.

Science!

Yes! Though the idea of this going on for hours with the "inhaling and exhaling" of the ocean, it could be anxious. It could get stronger and stronger.

186 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:04:54pm

174, SFZionist

Thanks!

187 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:05:29pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

Sorry ,, did you say something !?!?
SOFIA VERGARA
[Link: images.askmen.com...]

Uh - what? Everything north of my brainstem suddenly went numb...

188 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:05:40pm

Damage in Ventura, California.

189 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:05:49pm

re: #181 cliffster

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke

190 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:06:31pm

Damage in Ventura, CA?

Hello?

191 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:06:35pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

There has been a wild stream of satirical comments in Pat Robertson's name, mostly blaming the quake on their prosecution of Pinochet, but also many other things.

So far, no sign that he's said anything himself, though.

He usually paces himself. Although the region's heavy Catholicism has got to be chafing him, and not in a good way.

192 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:07:12pm

Did you hear that audio on CBS that said they heard there was damage from this tsunami in Ventura, CA? What?

193 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:07:21pm

I hate to sound insensitive, but I think it is cool to watch this happen. I've always have been fascinated by science and technology, so to watch this happen and compare and remember what I have read in school textbooks, I think this is cool.

But, overall, I hope everyone makes out of the tsunami and earthquake okay and can get any help they need.

194 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:07:22pm

re: #188 Mojave

Damage in Ventura, California.

From what?

195 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:07:29pm

That what they said on the CBS Ustream....damage in Ventura.

196 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:07:31pm

re: #190 austin_blue

Damage in Ventura, CA?

Hello?

Someone's gonna lose their job over this

197 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:08:07pm

re: #179 Thanos

You might see some volcanic activity from this quake, but not right away. That's a lot of energy and it might bubble up the other side in the form of inactive volcanoes heating up or going active.

Fault motion and volcanic activity is definitely linked. Both tend to track each other. So yes, this is a real possibility.

198 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:08:18pm

re: #189 Thanos

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke

I love that guy's books. Making movies out of them was an exercise in futility

199 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:08:30pm

CNN has been saying that it won't hit the West Coast.

200 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:08:46pm

The Argentine quake / aftershock could be precursor to some fresh vulcanism somewhere in between the two points.

201 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:09:28pm

The OC Register said 2' swells hit the California coast. Maybe somebody's sand castle got knocked down.

202 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:09:28pm

re: #189 Thanos

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke

Hanlon's Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Corollary:
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

203 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:09:30pm

re: #194 MandyManners

I'm guessing from the waves smacking the boats against the docks.

They said the first surge was about 1 meter high (about 3 feet). Tsunamis come in waves, so look to see the heights increase.

Water rushing back out of the Hilo Bay again.

204 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:09:33pm

Following this stuff useta' be left to the "eggheads".

205 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:09:48pm

One meter at Kapalua Bay on Maui.

Wowie!

206 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:09:51pm

There will definitely be some wave action in Cali. CNN is wrong...

207 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:10:33pm

re: #198 cliffster

I love that guy's books. Making movies out of them was an exercise in futility

Yeah, Clarke's hard to do in movie form. I think my favorite was Rendevous With Rama, and his short story "The Nine Billion Names of God" was good.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:10:43pm

re: #182 Mojave

Too bad those in Indonesia didn't know before hand.

I'll tell this story again because it's an awesome story: somewhere in the Hindi-speaking area affected by the big tsunami, a man heard the noise, climbed to the roof of a nearby building, and saw the water gone out and the wave starting. He yelled to his wife to get the kids and run inland. She scooped up the baby and the toddler, and yelled to the six-year-old to follow her, but the kid was scared, and ran back into the house, instead.

She assumed he was gone, there wasn't going to be time to go back, but the family dog went after him. Snarled, grabbed the kid with his teeth, barked at him--and somehow managed to get the kid out of the house and running up the hill after his mom. The whole family survived.

After that, the dog was considered by the family to be a reincarnation of the uncle who gave it to them when it was a puppy. And it got to sleep inside.

My favorite tsunami story.

209 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:11:16pm

re: #204 MandyManners

Aww dad! We're *all* DEVO!

210 windsagio  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:11:17pm

re: #198 cliffster

They just chose the wrong books >

I think there's a great movie in Against the fall of the Night, or Earthlight.

211 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:11:18pm

re: #199 MandyManners

The US West Coast won't get the kind of waves/surges that Hawaii will get, I'm guess that's what they mean.

212 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:11:48pm

re: #204 MandyManners

Following this stuff useta' be left to the "eggheads".

My brother went to Cal Tech in the 70's. He said right after an earthquake the phones were answered by students who made stuff up, until the real scientists arrived at the lab.

213 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:12:10pm

SNZ, thanks!

214 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:12:48pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I like that story. And I have no reason to disbelieve them about their now-hairy uncle

215 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:14:34pm

Sorry, that was SFZ.

216 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:15:17pm

Receding waters in Waikiki and Kewalo Basin too...

217 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:15:24pm

I wonder if Dog the Bounty Hunter is out chasing bail jumpers.

218 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:16:51pm

re: #217 Mojave

I wonder if Dog the Bounty Hunter is out chasing bail jumpers.

Beth won't let him today.

219 keloyd  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:17:00pm

Independence Day update - they just figured out how to take them down. Morse code-ularity is ensuing

220 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:18:14pm

re: #207 Thanos

Yeah, Clarke's hard to do in movie form. I think my favorite was Rendevous With Rama, and his short story "The Nine Billion Names of God" was good.

The Rama series definitely lends itself to film, although the meandering speculation on the motivations of the builders would be difficult to treat. I'm actually a bit surprised no one has taken up the project yet. I guess it's because science fiction hasn't been doing well at the box office the last few years, unless you count Avatar as science fiction and not just fantasy.

221 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:18:20pm

re: #218 MandyManners

Beth won't let him today.

I read that Hawaii asked beth to go down to the beach, lay on her back so her chest would act as a water break!

222 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:18:29pm

I am on the coast of California north of San Francisco; the estimated arrival time came and went here with only some medium sized waves & a rather high general water level, nothing dangerous.

223 Achilles Tang  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:18:37pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

My brother went to Cal Tech in the 70's. He said right after an earthquake the phones were answered by students who made stuff up, until the real scientists arrived at the lab.

Those students are now working for CNN and FOX News. The last time I had to use the mute button so much, aside from Glenn Beck, was during the balloon boy episode.

And they should fire everyone responsible for actually planning the video location coverage of something like this. One would have thought they had 5 minutes warning and didn't know the lay of the land...

224 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:19:21pm

Wow, Hilo Bay is really rushing out this time. Could be a bigger surge coming.

225 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:19:48pm

CNN feed
Upon watching some fool on a beach stroll
"That person may not have a radio, or a computer.. or any common sense. That may be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen." Heh.

226 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:20:23pm

re: #219 keloyd

Independence Day update - they just figured out how to take them down. Morse code-ularity is ensuing

Commercial break.

227 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:20:46pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

I read that Hawaii asked beth to go down to the beach, lay on her back so her chest would act as a water break!

Oh, that's just awful.

*snicker*

228 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:21:12pm

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

GMTA. Heard that; I was typing it out but you beat me to it...

229 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:21:51pm

No real activity visible on the Waikoloa webcam.

230 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:22:42pm

re: #228 cliffster

CNN has impressed me all day. Ya know I just have to admit to trash talking that network a lot. But really a great job today.

231 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:22:50pm

I have no doubt that some hard-core right-wingers would gut funding to the USGS earthquake monitoring system.

232 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:23:10pm

re: #224 Charles

I am a bit ashamed to say that I am somewhat excited watching this. Just hope no one gets hurt. I kind of wish the police would grab any idiot that decided it would be a good idea to wade out in to the ocean, but, Darwinism will deal with them.

BTW, how high is the tsunami estimated to get? 10 feet?

Ugh, damn player keeps lagging on my end.

233 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:23:22pm

re: #229 Charles

No real activity visible on the Waikoloa webcam.

Yep, and those dogs are still there!

234 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:24:25pm

Fox has switched back to reporting on Chile, lots of damage shots and pics coming in. It's not pretty in places down there.

235 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:25:41pm

I'm starting to think this will not be too bad. The coolest outcome from the tsunami would be a good drill for everyone, instead of a bad disaster.

236 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:26:06pm

re: #233 BigPapa

Yep, and those dogs are still there!

Where do you think they got the term "Lazy Doggie" from !?!?!
/

237 Tumulus11  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:26:47pm

. Oceanographer Nathan Becker: '... I have heard there's reports of damage in Ventura, California as a result of this tsunami.'

Reporter: 'And what information can you tell us about that, Sir?'

Becker: 'I don't know, I took the call and handed it to my director, but it was from the Alaska Tsunami Warning Center director that was getting those reports and it's his responsibility for the U.S. mainland.'
// CNN

238 jaunte  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:26:50pm

re: #233 BigPapa

I think those dogs are stoned.

239 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:27:36pm

NWO bozos in the twitter stream now. The effect of everyone having a voice is a cacophony of madness in any well followed stream within hours.

240 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:27:52pm

So if Hawaii has no problem, can we assume Japan and all parts west of Hawaii are going to be fine?

241 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:28:03pm

I love these Hawaiian newscasters. Heh.

They show a fish out of water, and he goes, "Yeah, da popaa -- da rock cod."

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #231 Mojave

I have no doubt that some hard-core right-wingers would gut funding to the USGS earthquake monitoring system.

Hard-core nutjobs, perhaps. Jindal probably would.

"If the Founding Fathers wanted to know if there'd been a earthquake, you know what they did? They waited to see if the pictures fell off the walls!"

243 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:28:40pm

I think those dogs are actually benches.

244 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:28:49pm

re: #240 Rightwingconspirator

So if Hawaii has no problem, can we assume Japan and all parts west of Hawaii are going to be fine?

Can we say that HI has no problem?

245 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:28:54pm

re: #239 Thanos

NWO bozos in the twitter stream now. The effect of everyone having a voice is a cacophony of madness in any well followed stream within hours.

I wonder what Alex Jones/David Icke will come up with.

246 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:29:54pm

re: #245 MandyManners

I wonder what Alex Jones/David Icke will come up with.

Bilderbergers!

247 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:30:06pm

There goes the water again... much stronger this time .... reaching the top of that bridge... this ain't ovah yet ...

248 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:30:57pm

re: #246 austin_blue

Bilderbergers!

Are those available at McDonalds, Wendys or Burger King !?!?!

249 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:31:09pm

re: #240 Rightwingconspirator

So if Hawaii has no problem, can we assume Japan and all parts west of Hawaii are going to be fine?

I don't think there's any reason to think the real stuff has gotten there yet.

250 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:31:58pm

Wow. CNN's showing a reef that was exposed being inundated really quickly.

251 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:32:19pm

re: #246 austin_blue

Bilderbergers!

Queen Beatrix is a shape-shifting, reptilian alien.

252 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:33:01pm

The time-lapse on the CBS Ustream was really intense.

253 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:33:29pm

Dante's Peak is on AMC now.

254 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:33:29pm

death toll in Chile - 214 and rising

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:34:46pm

I was listening to Fox News Radio... they were interviewing a Earthquake PHD type... was the worst choice of interviewee I've ever heard... have no idea what he said... couldn't get by his egg-headish stammering...

256 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:34:50pm

re: #248 sattv4u2

Are those available at McDonalds, Wendys or Burger King !?!?!

All of them! They are everywhere and will rule the world!

And did you hear the Black UN helicopters over your house last night?

You didn't?

See? That proves they were there!

257 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:35:05pm

They have an oceanographer now saying it may not turn out to be a major problem for Hawaii.

258 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:35:52pm

re: #240 Rightwingconspirator

So if Hawaii has no problem, can we assume Japan and all parts west of Hawaii are going to be fine?

If, probably. It ain't over in Hawaii yet, though. And results farther away are difficult to predict; although energy dissipates with distance, other effect, like multiple reflections of the original wave converging, can play a role, as can local geography.

We really won't know the full effects until tomorrow.

259 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:39:01pm

Everyone please vist http://www.fas.org/reallyready/ and be ready for a disaster, be it tsunami or otherwise.

260 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:39:15pm

At least they got everyone off the beaches.looks like not any major damage.good to see.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:40:05pm

re: #259 Mojave

I am ready for a tsunami. My house is at 2000 feet above sea-level.

262 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:40:32pm

A surge of about 2 feet at Santa Monica Beach in LA.

263 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:40:34pm

Two foot surge in Ventura.

264 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:40:55pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am ready for a tsunami. My house is at 2000 feet above sea-level.

So, you're not ready for a really big tsunami.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:41:44pm

re: #264 SixDegrees

So, you're not ready for a really big tsunami.

350 miles inland...

266 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:42:03pm

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

350 miles inland...

Like I said...

267 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:42:37pm

I know people in Chile who are thankfully OK today.

RIP to those who are not.

They said the ground felt like a bowl of jello given a good shake.

I lived through a massive earthquake in '81 in Athens. Epicenter was in the Gulf of Corinth, about 50 miles away. The sound and the shattering, shaking sensation made me think a plane had crashed nearby. Got to know my previously anonymous neighbors in the apartment building that night - everyone came out and comforted each other (with ouzo, among other things).

A week or ten days later I had guests visiting from Germany. They were extremely curious about what an earthquake feels like, so I started to describe it. About two sentences in, the biggest of the aftershocks struck. So I had one of the best set-up lines of my life. "No need for me to go on; see for yourselves."

Then I walked out on the balcony and watched while they turned seven shades of pale.

268 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:42:38pm

Tsunami kills 5, 11 missing

THE tsunami unleashed by a massive 8.8-magnitude quake off Chile has killed five people and left 11 others missing on Saturday on the remote Robinson Crusoe islands, a Chilean official said.

Chilean President Michelle Bachelet sent two aid ships, two helicopters and a plane to the small archipelago of some 600 inhabitants more than some 700 kilometers (440 miles) offshore in the Pacific Ocean

.

Difficult day not only in Chile but also off the coast of SA.

269 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:42:42pm

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

350 miles inland...

So, you're not ready for a meteor strike.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:44:04pm

re: #269 austin_blue

So, you're not ready for a meteor strike.

I have an umbrella.

271 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:44:09pm

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

350 miles inland...

RUNNN!

272 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:46:00pm

meteor strike?
i have a trampoline in my back yard!

273 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:46:30pm

Anybody here surviving the snowstorm in the Northeast?

274 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:46:56pm

have the meteors unionised?

275 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:47:00pm
276 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:48:19pm

Sceptics seek second Climategate panel casualty

Climate sceptics look to take another scalp from the panel investigating the conduct of scientists researching climate change, following leaked emails from the University of East Anglia, writes Nick Scott-Plummer.


Two weeks ago one member of a panel charged with reviewing the conduct of scientists at the centre of the so-called climategate email row resigned after Channel 4 News revealed comments which called into question his claim to impartiality.

Now climate sceptics are raising questions about another member of the review, although their evidence has been challenged by the scientist concerned.

The audio of an interview that forced Philip Campbell's resignation first emerged on one of the leading climate sceptic blogs.

Now that loose-knit community has turned up another internet link which they claim shows another panellist, Professor Boulton, may not have been honest about links to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (PICC) potentially compromising his independence.

[...]

Hopefully it will finally dawn on enough people that the "skeptics" are only concerned about "taking scalps".

277 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:48:34pm

we did pretty good(central jersey)hell of a storm to drive through thursday nite.

278 Mojave  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:48:58pm

I'm outta here, time for a two-mile run. (Goin' easy today.)

279 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:49:10pm

re: #258 SixDegrees

I think the energy disperses at a squared rate... I have not been able to find out for sure.

280 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:49:18pm

Some dumbass wading on the beach. Won't get too much sympathy from me if he gets hurt.

281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:49:30pm

re: #273 Mojave

Anybody here surviving the snowstorm in the Northeast?

Hopefully everybody here is surviving the snowstorm in the Northeast.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:50:12pm

re: #280 commadore183

They should have snipers for that...

283 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:51:17pm

CNN is shifting back to Chile. I think the tsunami event is minot apart from the islands close to Chile earlier.

284 sngnsgt  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:51:27pm

re: #254 cliffster

death toll in Chile - 214 and rising

I'm sure that number is going to go up but my first thought was the casualty numbers were going to be higher than that, hopefully it's not going to go much higher.

285 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:52:08pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They should have snipers for that...

Thin the herd?

286 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:52:20pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would like to see someone fly one of those remote control helicopters at him and chase him off of the beach lol

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:52:58pm

re: #284 sngnsgt

Thank goodness that the timing worked out the way it did. Imagine the bridges collapsing during rush hour...

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:53:24pm

re: #285 MandyManners

Thin the herd?

Just helping Darwin out...

289 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:53:37pm

re: #286 commadore183

How about a media or police helicopter comes down to him for a close look? The windblast and sand should then be a good hint to move off the beach.

290 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:53:45pm

re: #279 Rightwingconspirator

I think the energy disperses at a squared rate... I have not been able to find out for sure.

As a first approximation, that's true. But reality isn't so simple: waves, for example, reflect off other coastlines and can converge on a single point, multiplying their impact. The same thing can happen locally, where reflections from an enclosing region concentrate energy on a small area. And the topography of the ocean bottom also plays a role; long, shallow seabeds help to dissipate energy through friction, while steep, deep ones tend to focus the energy of the incoming wave and dump it all onshore nearly intact.

But in general, yes, the farther away from the epicenter, the safer you'll be. It's just not a good idea to make assumptions in such circumstances; pessimism is often your best friend.

291 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:54:25pm

OT: The wingnut blogs are all exited lately about European Tea Party movement which seems to be mostly a bunck of quacks advocating for the Gold Standard. Good luck with that.

292 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:54:31pm

re: #289 Rightwingconspirator

That would work too.

293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:55:01pm

re: #292 commadore183

You people are much nicer than me.

294 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:55:56pm

re: #276 freetoken

Sceptics seek second Climategate panel casualty

Hopefully it will finally dawn on enough people that the "skeptics" are only concerned about "taking scalps".

Along the same vein, although this time from the moonbats:

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

295 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:56:58pm

re: #289 Rightwingconspirator

How about a media or police helicopter comes down to him for a close look? The windblast and sand should then be a good hint to move off the beach.

That would be justice, no doubt. But why waste the resources? They'll almost certainly be needed elsewhere, and they're expensive no matter what happens. If some idiot wants to shake his fist at an earthquake, let him get on with it.

296 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:57:24pm

Bretibart and Hot Air are also thrilled by a speech UKIP (BNP affiliate party) blasting the UN.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:57:24pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

OT: The wingnut blogs are all exited lately about European Tea Party movement which seems to be mostly a bunck of quacks advocating for the Gold Standard. Good luck with that.

Let me guess. Double-entry bookkeeping was the beginning of the end, as far as they're concerned.

298 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:57:37pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

OT: The wingnut blogs are all exited lately about European Tea Party movement which seems to be mostly a bunck of quacks advocating for the Gold Standard. Good luck with that.

There's that Dan Hannan link again...

299 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:57:39pm

re: #275 Thanos

How big was that EQ? Magnitude vs intensity in Chile and Haiti

Thanos-

GREAT link. You can see that plate section in Chile that ruptured is *easily* 300 miles long, while that in Haiti was much more localized. A classic result of a strike-slip fault (Haiti) and a thrust fault (Chile).

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:58:23pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Bretibart and Hot Air are also thrilled by a speech UKIP (BNP affiliate party) blasting the UN.

How seriously can you take a political groups whose colors are purple and yellow?

301 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:59:16pm

re: #279 Rightwingconspirator

I think the energy disperses at a squared rate...

Not true of a soliton waves (I had a physics professor who was into solitons and nonlinear waves.)

Anyway, regarding tsunamis, remember that they are not surface waves but caused by the vertical displacement at the origin (the earthquake), and that they are traveling as part of the ocean, which itself is not a flat surface but sort of a "shell", like an egg shell. At the opposite end (from the origin) of the shell one can see large movements.

302 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:59:31pm

re: #294 Thanos

Along the same vein, although this time from the moonbats:

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

I can sympathize. I took a similar view once, which got published in our local paper, and promptly began to receive a deluge of death threats over the phone and in the mail from PETA and their minions. In fact, it was organized by the local PETA branch, for the express purpose of "teaching [him] a lesson!"

Fuckers.

303 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:59:35pm

re: #299 austin_blue

Thanos-

GREAT link. You can see that plate section in Chile that ruptured is *easily* 300 miles long, while that in Haiti was much more localized. A classic result of a strike-slip fault (Haiti) and a thrust fault (Chile).

Yes, that's another reason I'm going to suggest that we might see more aftershocks and effects, perhaps even fresh vulcanism in the region.

304 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:59:47pm

re: #290 SixDegrees

Agreed. I'm just seeing if the math matches my optimism in approximate terms. The less damage elsewhere the more help is available for Chile and Haiti. The rim seems very active, so just on general principles I'd say we in SoCal should get and remain prepared.

305 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 2:59:54pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Let me guess. Double-entry bookkeeping was the beginning of the end, as far as they're concerned.

For now they seem fixated with the EU and the Gold Standard but it's probably just a gateway for far right neo-nazi nativist like Vlaams Belang, BNP, UKIP, FN, Swedish Dems, FPO, etc.

306 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:00:34pm

Genug mit diesem Wasserkrise. Lassen Sie sprechen heute Deutsch schlecht!

307 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:00:43pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones next guest is a former UKIP politician who ran into trouble at the EU.

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:00:48pm

Oh, FFS...

On of the headlines on Drudge says, "Is nature out of control?".

WHEN HAS NATURE EVER NOT BEEN IN CONTROL!

309 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:01:12pm

re: #298 Thanos

There's that Dan Hannan link again...

I don't know much about him. Bad news?

310 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:02:21pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

He's become a favorite of the US right wing, since he is highly critical of the EU, UN, and loves the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck movement in America.

311 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:03:03pm

re: #294 Thanos

Along the same vein, although this time from the moonbats:

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

Good God. PETAns. Nuts.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:03:17pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, FFS...

On of the headlines on Drudge says, "Is nature out of control?".

WHEN HAS NATURE EVER NOT BEEN IN CONTROL!

It does speak to an interesting idea about how our relationship to the planet works.

/

313 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:03:29pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I don't know much about him. Bad news?

Well check them youtubes, and who is hosting vids from him...

314 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:03:56pm

re: #290 SixDegrees

Surface borne energies (2 D) tend to diminish according to the square of the distance from the source;

spatially distributed energies (3 D) tend to diminish according to the cube of the distance from the source.

315 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:04:37pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, FFS...

On of the headlines on Drudge says, "Is nature out of control?".

WHEN HAS NATURE EVER NOT BEEN IN CONTROL!

Scare-mongering.

316 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:05:58pm

"And if you should see dis, don't go out dere reef-picking, li' dat."

317 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:06:04pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, FFS...

On of the headlines on Drudge says, "Is nature out of control?".

WHEN HAS NATURE EVER NOT BEEN IN CONTROL!

FTFY

318 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:07:09pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, FFS...

On of the headlines on Drudge says, "Is nature out of control?".

WHEN HAS NATURE EVER NOT BEEN IN CONTROL!

Run for the hills!!

Oh wait...

How does one prepare for an earthquake? I know there's goods you're supposed to carry in your car, but isn't it more about being at the wrong place at the wrong time?

319 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:07:18pm

re: #301 freetoken

Sure the thin nature of the water, as compared to a spherical broadcast-inverse cube law, if I recall right. I figured half that rate for a tsunami excluding local resonance or shelf effects. The seiche waves will be no problem this time, unlike a couple years ago.

320 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:07:58pm

re: #314 Ojoe

Thanks, that was my intuitive guess, it would disperse at about half the rate...

321 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:08:13pm

re: #310 freetoken

He's become a favorite of the US right wing, since he is highly critical of the EU, UN, and loves the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck movement in America.

Ah, that makes sense.

322 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:08:55pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I don't know much about him. Bad news?

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:08:58pm

re: #317 Cato the Elder

Man has control for a short time... nature'll get it all back...

324 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:10:16pm

Those surfers are crazy for another reason -- all the backwash coming out of the city sewage system from the surging water.

325 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:10:39pm

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Man has control for a short time... nature'll get it all back...

In bed.

326 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:10:44pm

Mag. 4.4 in the last hour in Oklahoma:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Oklahoma... GOD HATES OKLAHOMA ... and here I thought Tulsa was His chosen city...

327 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:10:52pm

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Man has control for a short time... nature'll get it all back...

Yep.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:11:08pm

re: #324 Charles

Those ain't Baby Ruths?

329 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:11:22pm

re: #290 SixDegrees

As a first approximation, that's true. But reality isn't so simple: waves, for example, reflect off other coastlines and can converge on a single point, multiplying their impact. The same thing can happen locally, where reflections from an enclosing region concentrate energy on a small area. And the topography of the ocean bottom also plays a role; long, shallow seabeds help to dissipate energy through friction, while steep, deep ones tend to focus the energy of the incoming wave and dump it all onshore nearly intact.

But in general, yes, the farther away from the epicenter, the safer you'll be. It's just not a good idea to make assumptions in such circumstances; pessimism is often your best friend.

Remember, too, that tsunamis are different because whit is displaced is incompressible- water. With the Indo quake in '04, estimates are the immediate uplift was around 100 feet on a 400-mile rupture.

Imagine that! So this incompressible medium (water) formed a 100-foot tall bulge on the surface and then took off east and west at 450 MPH, taking half that energy each way. And hit Sri Lanka with a twenty wave half way across the Indian Ocean.

That, my friends, is a monster.

330 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:11:43pm

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Brown Trout"

331 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:12:02pm

re: #324 Charles

Oh, yuck. Blech.

332 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:12:25pm

re: #325 MandyManners

"In bed" = old and busted.
"On the moon" = the new hotness.

333 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:12:25pm

re: #324 Charles

A surfur/diver friend of mine down here is suffering from an intestinal infection that is normally associated with changing diapers... I suspect all the heavy rains moved quite a bit of sewage out of the Tijuana river up the coastline.

334 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:13:21pm
335 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:13:28pm

re: #318 marjoriemoon

Run for the hills!!

Oh wait...

How does one prepare for an earthquake? I know there's goods you're supposed to carry in your car, but isn't it more about being at the wrong place at the wrong time?

And what you living in and what you are living in was built on. Hint: Rock good, fill very very bad.

336 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:13:52pm

re: #324 Charles

Insert Stephen King's "A Very Tight Place" here.

337 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:14:17pm

re: #332 negativ

"WW2 Bomber Found On Moon !"

— Weekly World News, World's Only Reliable Newspaper.

338 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:14:37pm

re: #324 Charles

Those surfers are crazy for another reason -- all the backwash coming out of the city sewage system from the surging water.

Eeeew!!

But you're. Nasty.

339 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:15:03pm

re: #334 MikeySDCA

And a word for "Building Inspector" and "Engineer".

340 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:15:26pm

re: #333 freetoken

Ascaris lumbricoides.

That is all.

341 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:15:27pm

re: #326 freetoken

Mag. 4.4 in the last hour in Oklahoma:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Oklahoma... GOD HATES OKLAHOMA ... and here I thought Tulsa was His chosen city...

There were some pretty intense earthquake swarms in Yellowstone as well earlier this month.

342 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:16:49pm

re: #326 freetoken

Mag. 4.4 in the last hour in Oklahoma:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Oklahoma... GOD HATES OKLAHOMA ... and here I thought Tulsa was His chosen city...

Is it related to the New Madrid zone?

343 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:17:07pm
344 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:19:57pm

Well time for me to finish up the Jim Butcher book I've been putting down the past few days for this, that, or the other. See everyone later.

345 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:20:15pm

re: #343 MikeySDCA

DUCK!

346 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:21:25pm

re: #335 austin_blue

Local LA thing
The "burn areas" or the mountains up north/northwest of LA are granite. Old houses up there, unaffected by 100 plus years of SoCal shakers. I have read this is because their massive nature reflects the waves back to the SF valley

347 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:21:39pm
348 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:24:30pm

re: #334 MikeySDCA

It would appear that, unlike Haitian French, Chilean Spanish does have a word for "rebar."

Port-au-Prince had lateral acceleration of > 10 feet/second. The Chileans had much less, even though it was a much stronger quake over a much much larger fault rupture. Different kinds of faults produce different kinds of movement. The Haitians actually had *lots* of rebar in many of the buildings that collapsed. But not enough for that level of horizontal shaking, obviously.

Thanos has a great post (#275) that links to a page that has a great explanation of how a less powerful quake can result in more extreme surface damage, regardless of building codes.

Science!

349 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:25:16pm

re: #335 austin_blue

And what you living in and what you are living in was built on. Hint: Rock good, fill very very bad.

heh right.

My mom sent me a spam email on earthquake safety. What I thought was interesting about that (other than that guy who's apparently a fraud), was that structures in industrialized countries don't flatten like they do in places like Haiti because of our building codes. Not that I prefer one over the other, but hurricanes you can see comin.

350 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:25:55pm

re: #338 austin_blue

Eeeew!!

But you're right. Nasty.

PIMF.

351 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:26:11pm

re: #342 MandyManners

Is it related to the New Madrid zone?

God is judging them for having a Democrat as governor.

352 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:27:11pm

One last word: all of this watching of Hawaiian web and news cams has me yearning for a tropical vacation...

353 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:28:03pm

re: #352 Thanos

One last word: all of this watching of Hawaiian web and news cams has me yearning for a tropical vacation...

Yep.
Same thing was going through my mind.

354 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:34:57pm

The tsunami story is over, the media may not admit that for a while.

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:35:08pm

re: #352 Thanos

re: #353 reine.de.tout

On a white sandy beach or sumthin'?

356 cliffster  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:41:11pm

re: #354 Rightwingconspirator

The tsunami story is over, the media may not admit that for a while.

On the other hand, the end of the world is still very much in progress

357 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:42:22pm

re: #354 Rightwingconspirator

Very rainy day here in SoCal though... so the weather will take over the headlines. Makes for an unusual color combination on the NWS map:
[Link: www.wrh.noaa.gov...]
The dark yucky-orange tsunami advisory kind of clashes with the dark burgundy flash flood warning.

358 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:42:55pm

CNN has one story but it seems to think it has two. Now it's about Chile. I mean people in Australia and Japan must be careful and all, but the breathless coverage now is a bit much. I just heard a CNN info lady say Santiego instead of San Diego. LOL.

359 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:44:08pm

re: #357 freetoken

Did you notice we have a flood advisory unrelated to the tsunami advisory? Ironic to say the least.

360 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:45:04pm

re: #359 Rightwingconspirator

Yea... sort of a double whammy for the folks on the beach.

361 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:47:12pm

Meh, whoever went to the beach to "see" the tsunami, had to "brave" rain and 55 degree weather.

362 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:01:54pm

Is everybody out dere reef-picking?

363 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:05:27pm

This post is waaay off-topic, but herein I proclaim that Steve Allen, Johnny Carson, and Dick Cavett were the original GODS of the television interview show, and everyone who came after them were sad and tragic hollow imitations of The Real Thing.

Never mind. Go watch Jay Leno, who is safe and okay and designed that way on purpose.

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:09:24pm

re: #363 negativ

Completely forgetting Larry Sanders.

365 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:09:55pm

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Completely forgetting Larry Sanders.

Who?

366 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:12:34pm

re: #365 wrenchwench

Don't forget Jack Paar.

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:12:50pm

re: #361 Rightwingconspirator

Had it been bad, someone who went out there deserved to end up looking like Jon Voit in "Deliverance".

I have little patience for those who think it's not a big deal if rescue has to be called out for them, cause they thought it would be fun to irresponsibly taunt nature.

368 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:15:24pm
369 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:19:40pm

re: #367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had it been bad, someone who went out there deserved to end up looking like Jon Voit in "Deliverance".

I have little patience for those who think it's not a big deal if rescue has to be called out for them, cause they thought it would be fun to irresponsibly taunt nature.

Voight survived the river. Wasn't it the character named Drew who ended up looking like a pretzel?

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:20:52pm

re: #369 Silvergirl

Oh, yeah.. but you know what I mean...

duh...

371 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:21:21pm

Wonderful that Hawaii took no real damage.

My aunt finally talked to my cousin. She does not feel safe to sleep in her apartment, and is going to find somewhere else to sleep tonight.

372 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:23:54pm

Glad it was nothing much, and glad all our techy warning alert gear worked.

373 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:24:37pm
374 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, yeah.. but you know what I mean...

duh...

Got what you meant and applaud the point about messin' with nature.

375 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:24:53pm

re: #371 EmmmieG

I am happy to hear your family and the state of Hawaii escaped most damage.

376 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:26:17pm

Correlation /= causality, but long-time cannabis use linked to psychosis.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:26:25pm

re: #374 Silvergirl

No, not at all. Nice catch...

378 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:27:52pm

re: #373 The Sanity Inspector

That is sad news.

379 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:28:10pm
380 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:28:21pm

re: #358 Rightwingconspirator

CNN has one story but it seems to think it has two. Now it's about Chile. I mean people in Australia and Japan must be careful and all, but the breathless coverage now is a bit much. I just heard a CNN info lady say Santiego instead of San Diego. LOL.

It doesn't seem that the Indian Ocean and 2004 are so far away, so I don't fault them for a bit of breathless coverage.

381 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:35:09pm

Handful of slice garlic cloves cooked in olive oil, handful of chopped, fresh basil, tomatoes I canned last summer and a buncha' pasta. It's what's for dinner.

382 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:35:54pm

British Police Arrive in Israel to Investigate Alleged Mossad Hit

The shariazation of British society proceeds apace, and British Jews can scarcely emerge from behind their high walls in some towns. Yet by golly let's get to the bottom of this passport thingy...

383 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:37:05pm

re: #376 The Sanity Inspector

Correlation /= causality, but long-time cannabis use linked to psychosis.

Huh? Wha'? Where am I? How did I get here?

384 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:38:02pm

re: #381 MandyManners

Handful of slice garlic cloves cooked in olive oil, handful of chopped, fresh basil, tomatoes I canned last summer and a buncha' pasta. It's what's for dinner.

Be right by for dinner..Can Winston come?

385 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:38:51pm

re: #382 The Sanity Inspector

British Police Arrive in Israel to Investigate Alleged Mossad Hit

The shariazation of British society proceeds apace, and British Jews can scarcely emerge from behind their high walls in some towns. Yet by golly let's get to the bottom of this passport thingy...

Oh, good grief.

386 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:40:14pm

re: #384 HoosierHoops

Be right by for dinner..Can Winston come?

We've already eaten. You can have some lemon sorbet if you want. It's great with pound cake.

387 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:42:07pm

re: #376 The Sanity Inspector

WASHINGTON — The longer people consume beer or liquor, the more likely they are to experience hallucinations or delusions or to suffer psychosis, according to a study released Saturday.

The study found that people who first drank alcohol when they were aged 15 or younger were twice as likely to develop a "non-affective psychosis" -- which can include schizophrenia -- than those who had never used the drug.

The research led by John McGrath from the University of Queensland in Australia (an intrinsically righteous man whose existence you can easily verify, because we TOTALLY didn't invent him) was based on a survey of 3,801 people with an average age of 20.1 years, the US-based Archives of General Psychiatry (which you have, of course, heard of long before now) reported.

"Among all the participants, a longer duration since the first time they drank alcohol was associated with multiple psychosis-related outcomes," the study said.

Of the group, 17.7 percent reported drinking alcohol for three or fewer years, 16.2 percent for four to five years and 14.3 percent for six or more years.

Sixty-five were diagnosed with "non-affective psychosis", such as schizophrenia, and 233 had at least one hallucination, the study said.
"Individuals who had experienced hallucinations early in life were more likely to drink alcohol longer and to drink it more frequently," it said.
But the relationship between psychosis and alcohol use was complex, it said.
People who were vulnerable to psychosis, in other words had isolated psychotic symptoms, "were more likely to commence alcohol consumption, which could then subsequently contribute to an increased risk of conversion to a non-affective psychotic disorder," the research said.
The article said previous studies had also identified an association between alcohol use and psychosis but there were concerns that research had not adequately accounted for confounding variables.

388 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:48:46pm

One of Iran’s opposition leaders, Mir Hussein Moussavi, said Saturday that a dictatorial “cult” was ruling Iran — one of his most critical statements against the country’s rulers since disputed elections last summer.

“This is the rule of a cult that has hijacked the concept of Iranianism and nationalism,” Mr. Moussavi said in the interview posted on his Web site, Kalameh. “Our people cannot tolerate such behavior under the name of religion.”

SNIP

389 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:57:10pm

Hello friends! I was out during the tsunami scare.

Anyone post this yet?

I see you and I love you brother!

Beck went on a vicious character assassination campaign against Jones, calling him “a communist-anarchist radical.” Despite all the attacks he endured, last night at the NAACP Image Awards, Jones refused to drop down to Beck’s level. At the end of his speech accepting the President’s Award for his work promoting a green economy, Jones instead had kind words for the Fox News host:


Last thing I want to say is this: To my fellow countryman, Mr. Glenn Beck. I see you, and I love you, brother. I love you, and you cannot do anything about it. I love you, and you cannot do anything about it. Let’s be one country! Let’s be one country! Let’s get the job done!
391 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:58:43pm

It's quiet in here today.

392 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 4:59:16pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Tsunamis make me lethargic.

393 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:02:00pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

The slow motion implosion of Iran continues. Might take a few more years.

I wish we could hurry it along.

394 freetoken  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:02:58pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

It's quiet in here today.

It's raining in Southern California.

It's not suppose to rain in Southern California. I skipped going to the gym... rain - it hurts.

395 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:03:30pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

Didn't you live there when you were a kid?

396 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:03:35pm

re: #394 freetoken

It's raining in Southern California.

It's not suppose to rain in Southern California. I skipped going to the gym... rain - it hurts.

Sofa and blanket and curling time.

397 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:05:55pm

re: #395 MandyManners

Didn't you live there when you were a kid?

I lived in India. We traveled around the area but never made it to Iran as a family. My dad was there about a year before the embassy takeover though.

398 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:06:13pm

re: #324 Charles

Those surfers are crazy for another reason -- all the backwash coming out of the city sewage system from the surging water.

Mmmm, E.coli...

/Carl Spackler: (picks up Baby Ruth from bottom of pool, sniffs it, and takes a bite) "It's still good!"

399 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:07:03pm

re: #394 freetoken

It's raining in Southern California.

It's not suppose to rain in Southern California. I skipped going to the gym... rain - it hurts.

It pours, man it pours.


400 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:08:03pm

re: #388 MandyManners

One of Iran’s opposition leaders, Mir Hussein Moussavi, said Saturday that a dictatorial “cult” was ruling Iran — one of his most critical statements against the country’s rulers since disputed elections last summer.


Something is going to happen in iran this year, one way or another. I just hope that the scumbag russians are also scummy enough to help sabotage the iranian nuclear facilities by selling critical info to the Israelis so they can arrange a "work accident" that will leave no fingerprints. Money talks, and hopefully Israeli dollars + corrupt russians may = accident at Natanz.

401 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:09:22pm

re: #399 MandyManners

It pours, man it pours.

[Video]

I'm out of work, I'm out of my head
Out of self respect, I'm out of bread
I'm underloved, I'm underfed, I wanna go home
It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
It pours, man, it pours

402 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:09:44pm

A primer on political reality

....the birthers and Birchers, militias and nativists, racists and conspiracy theorists do exist. Some, having waited decades in deserved obscurity, hope to ride a populist movement like remoras. But there are others, new to political engagement, who have found paranoia and anger intoxicating. They watch Glenn Beck rail against the omnipresent threat of Saul Alinsky, read Ayn Rand's elevation of egotism and contempt for the weak, listen to Ron Paul attacking the Federal Reserve cabal, and suddenly their resentments become ordered into a theory. Such theories, in politics, can act like a drug, causing addiction, euphoria and psychedelic departures from reality.

At any time of social disorientation, conspiracy theories have an appeal. They provide a narrative for an apparently random world. They promise that one key can unlock every door.
....
Eventually, these theories require repudiation or else they can taint a political movement -- like a little red dye turns a container of water pink. This is precisely what William F. Buckley did in the 1950s and '60s, repudiating Rand and Robert Welch of the John Birch Society, thereby creating a legitimate conservatism that could elect candidates such as Ronald Reagan.

A similar effort will be required today of conservative political and intellectual leaders. It will not be easy. Sometimes it takes courage to stand before a large crowd and proclaim that two plus two equals four.

403 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:12:06pm

re: #401 talon_262

I'm out of work, I'm out of my head
Out of self respect, I'm out of bread
I'm underloved, I'm underfed, I wanna go home
It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
It pours, man, it pours

It's raining here..except it is turning to ice..ice..freaking ice

404 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:14:15pm

re: #400 _RememberTonyC

Something is going to happen in iran this year, one way or another. I just hope that the scumbag russians are also scummy enough to help sabotage the iranian nuclear facilities by selling critical info to the Israelis so they can arrange a "work accident" that will leave no fingerprints. Money talks, and hopefully Israeli dollars + corrupt russians may = accident at Natanz.

From your keyboard,...

405 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:14:31pm

re: #401 talon_262

I'm out of work, I'm out of my head
Out of self respect, I'm out of bread
I'm underloved, I'm underfed, I wanna go home
It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
It pours, man, it pours

It's been a while since I heard that one.

406 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:19:04pm

Just got back from seeing "recious: Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire." If you haven't seen it... do... now... right away... I command you.

407 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

Correction...

Just got back from seeing "Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire." If you haven't seen it... do... now... right away... I command you.

408 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:21:12pm

re: #404 MandyManners

I really believe that Israel is thinking "out of the box" on how to neuter iran's nukes. Everyone expects some sort of attack by the IAF, but since many Israelis are emigres from russia, I think they must have contacts in the russian scientific community. and since no amount of money is out of the question when it comes to the survival of the nation, I would hope there are secrets for sale by russians with knowledge of the iran nuclear facilities.

409 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:02:14pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

The academy had better give the Oscar to Mo'Nique, or there will be Hell to pay.


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