ACORN Cleared in Brooklyn Sting Video Case

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Prosecutors in Brooklyn have cleared ACORN of any wrongdoing in their investigation into the O’Keefe-Giles ACORN sting videos.

Brooklyn prosecutors on Monday cleared ACORN of criminal wrongdoing after a four-month probe that began when undercover conservative activists filmed workers giving what appeared to be illegal advice on how to hide money.

While the video by James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles seemed to show three ACORN workers advising a prostitute how to hide ill-gotten gains, the unedited version was not as clear, according to a law enforcement source.

They edited the tape to meet their agenda,” said the source.

“On Sept. 15, 2009, my office began an investigation into possible criminality on the part of three ACORN employees,” Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes said in a one-paragraph statement issued Monday afternoon. “That investigation is now concluded and no criminality has been found.”

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318 comments
1 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:15:41pm

…and if there’s one thing we’ve seen a lot of documentation on here over the years, it’s people lying with visual media.

2 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:16:16pm

Let’s talk about wasting the money of the courts system. TORT REFORM!

Racist based bullshit. There, I said it.

3 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:17:10pm

Wonderful.

4 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:17:19pm

Well, it’s a good thing nobody lost their job over this.

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5 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:17:47pm

Aaaaaand…let the games begin!

6 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:18:09pm

And again: I feel like a chump for believing these videos the first time I saw them.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:19:07pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Well, it’s a good thing nobody lost their job over this.

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That would have been a pity.

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8 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:19:47pm

Obviously, ACORN has something on the Brooklyn DA. The hydra has many heads.

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9 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:20:31pm

Wow. I guess now we’ll see a full apology from the wingnuts, and calls to restore the funding Congress cut off.

Yeeeeeah, right.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:20:53pm

Here is a much more serious case of someone being cleared:
Governor signs state’s first posthumous pardon for man convicted in 1985 Lubbock crime

Gov. Rick Perry on Monday made a former Texas Tech student who died in prison a convicted sex offender the state’s first recipient of a pardon after death.

Tim Cole, who was convicted in 1986 for the kidnapping and rape of a Texas Tech sophomore, was cleared by DNA evidence tested in 2008.

Perry surprised Cole’s mother, Ruby Session, with a phone call Monday afternoon telling her he had signed the pardon, Session said.

She paced her Fort Worth home and watched the rain after the phone call, she said, letting the news sink in.

“It’s been a long time coming,” Session said. “But I know Tim is smiling, and I know the tears of joy that are coming down from heaven.”

Perry’s signature came just more than 10 years after Cole’s death, and almost 25 years after a Texas Tech student was kidnapped from a church parking lot across from the university campus.

Cole came to the attention of Lubbock police in 1985 as they investigated a string of attacks on young white women near the Texas Tech campus.

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:22:27pm

in b4 ACORN psychosis

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:24:06pm

Sooooo…has anyone heard the uncut version of the tape in which the Planned Parenthood official agrees to take money for abortions for black women only?

13 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:26:16pm

re: #8 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Obviously, ACORN has something on the Brooklyn DA. The hydra has many heads.

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“So, Mr District Attorney…….. WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?????!!!!!”

14 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:28:26pm

re: #13 Kruk

“So, Mr District Attorney… WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR???!!!”

“YOU’RE OUT OF ORDER! HE’S OUT OF ORDER! THIS WHOLE COURTROOM IS OUT OF ORDER!”
“Sir, this is the DMV.”

15 Locker  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:30:07pm

I guess they located the video’s nirth certificate and found it wanting. Could Obama be next?

16 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:30:15pm

I’m sure this will be the lead story on Fox News tonight.

Wait, maybe not. Doesn’t fit the narrative.

17 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:31:04pm

I sense that this a plot by the nefarious Yakuza-Unicorn (Yakuzicorn) Alliance.

We’re through the looking glass here people!

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:31:34pm

re: #14 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

“YOU’RE OUT OF ORDER! HE’S OUT OF ORDER! THIS WHOLE COURTROOM IS OUT OF ORDER!”
“Sir, this is the DMV.”

I once watched a young woman dressed head to food in chador keel over at the DMV. Just fainted, hit the floor gracefully in a great rush of black fabric.

Just about anything can happen at the DMV.

19 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:32:23pm

I can’t wait to hear Pres. Obama’s reaction to the vindication of his cherished client.

20 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:32:46pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

I once watched a young woman dressed head to food in chador keel over at the DMV. Just fainted, hit the floor gracefully in a great rush of black fabric.

Just about anything can happen at the DMV.

Just flashed on a “People of the DMV” to counter “People of Walmart”

21 darthstar  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:33:09pm

Falsity flies and the truth comes limping after. (Swift or Pope, I believe)

The damage is done. ACORN is breaking up as a national organization, having been convicted by the court of public opinion. Wing-nut Republicans will still be blaming ACORN five years from now for whatever ills them.

22 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:33:41pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

So, I’m a racist because I don’t like ACORN.

Cool.

23 darthstar  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:34:11pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Just flashed on a “People of the DMV” to counter “People of Walmart”

“People of Walmart” is a hilarious, if tasteless, site.

24 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:35:02pm

re: #21 darthstar

Falsity flies and the truth comes limping after. (Swift or Pope, I believe)

The damage is done. ACORN is breaking up as a national organization, having been convicted by the court of public opinion. Wing-nut Republicans will still be blaming ACORN five years from now for whatever ills them.

Surely the President will not sit idly by and allow such an injustice to stand.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:35:04pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

So, I’m a racist because I don’t like ACORN.

Cool.

Dunno about you. (I’d say you weren’t, but Walter bit my head off for presuming to know he wasn’t a racist a while ago.)

But James O’Keefe I am no longer giving the benefit of the doubt to.

26 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:35:14pm

re: #23 darthstar

“People of Walmart” is a hilarious, if tasteless, site.

I like failbooking, always good for a laugh.

27 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:35:33pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

So, I’m a racist because I don’t like ACORN.

Cool.

No, but if you’re a member of racist organizations, help put on racist events, and try and fram ACORN for felonies, there’s a good chance you’re a racist.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:36:02pm

re: #23 darthstar

“People of Walmart” is a hilarious, if tasteless, site.

I don’t know about tasteless. All these people showed up at Walmart dressed like that of their own free will.

It’s just a…slice of Americana. Really weird Americana.

29 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:36:27pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

That much is okay. Calling all people who dislike ACORN “racist” is fucking terrible and utter BS.

30 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:36:28pm

On a related note:

Andrew Breitbart’s side of the story:
The right-wing provocateur’s backers say anyone would act crazy given how liberals treat him. Watch his video
31 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:36:38pm

re: #24 Spare O’Lake

Surely the President will not sit idly by and allow such an injustice to stand.

And if the Little Father knew how his people suffered, something would be done.

32 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:36:53pm

re: #21 darthstar

Falsity flies and the truth comes limping after. (Swift or Pope, I believe)

The damage is done. ACORN is breaking up as a national organization, having been convicted by the court of public opinion. Wing-nut Republicans will still be blaming ACORN five years from now for whatever ills them.

I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. The truth is out there now, and this kind of smear campaign won’t get the same traction again. Besides, voting rights groups have survived much worse than this in the past.

33 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:37:25pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

So, I’m a racist because I don’t like ACORN.

Cool.

Congratulations on being the first to take it that way.

The “sting” by O’Keeffe is soaked in racism. This has been explained ad naseum here and elsewhere.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

And if the Little Father knew how his people suffered, something would be done.

This is not to compare Obama to the Czar. It just occurred to me to post it.

35 Locker  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:37:47pm

re: #29 TheMatrix31

That much is okay. Calling all people who dislike ACORN “racist” is fucking terrible and utter BS.

How far out of context did you have to go to claim that he called all people who dislike ACORN racist?

36 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:38:04pm

“They edited the tape to meet their agenda,” said the source.

To repeat what was said below, No shit Sherlock.

37 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:38:06pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Oh, okay. Sorry to have misinterpreted your post. Maybe you could have been clearer so people don’t take it that way.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:38:43pm

re: #32 Kruk

I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. The truth is out there now, and this kind of smear campaign won’t get the same traction again. Besides, voting rights groups have survived much worse than this in the past.

Dunno. I don’t think this will lose traction in certain circles, no matter how many counts ACORN is cleared of, or how murky the charges against them become. This was a case, to quote Through The Looking Glass of verdict first, then the trial.

39 Locker  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:38:45pm

re: #37 TheMatrix31

Oh, okay. Sorry to have misinterpreted your post. Maybe you could have been clearer so people don’t take it that way.

Or maybe you could not take someone’s words and twist them so you have a reason to complain.

40 Locker  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:39:20pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. I don’t think this will lose traction in certain circles, no matter how many counts ACORN is cleared of, or how murky the charges against them become. This was a case, to quote Through The Looking Glass of verdict first, then the trial.

Absolutely agree. 100pct.

41 keloyd  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:39:47pm

I don’t like ACORN or that kid (aged 24) who dressed up like a preppy Anglo-Saxon private school kid dressed like a pimp for Halloween. Still, it was either obvious or at the least plausible that the ACORN ladies were having a big larf playing along when they said all those things that appeaed dincriminating.

OTOH, if ACORN wants to play national politics, they’ll be targeted for dirty tricks in election years as much as anyone else. The nail sticking a little higher than the rest is always hammered down.

42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:39:59pm

re: #39 Locker

Or maybe you could not take someone’s words and twist them so you have a reason to complain.

WTF DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

/

43 Gus  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:40:07pm

Another sleepless night for Andrew Breitbart.

To the Twitter cave!

/

44 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:40:20pm

re: #39 Locker

Please, this is the internet. I can’t figure out reason or intent. People have to be as clear as possible so their points don’t get misconstrued.

45 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:41:12pm

Well I am glad that I didn’t judge one way or the other on this. ACORN is far from a saintly organization but it’s far from the boogeyman that it’s been out to be either. The subsequent demonizing of community activism and activists was a real nasty fall out from this and Obama’s own past as a communist activist. Wasn’t there an attempt at a resolution to commend O’Keefe and Giles for this sting op though? Well, that in my opinion is why you should always wait before the facts come out. Plus O’Keefe’s shown himself with his attempt at wiretapping Landrieu’s office to be a major scumbag.

46 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:41:30pm

re: #27 Conservative Moonbat

Kinda the whole walks like a duck, talks like a duck thing.

47 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:42:26pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. I don’t think this will lose traction in certain circles, no matter how many counts ACORN is cleared of, or how murky the charges against them become. This was a case, to quote Through The Looking Glass of verdict first, then the trial.

The decision not to prosecute will ensure that there will be no trial in this case to provide the legal verdict which is so richly deserved.

48 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:42:38pm

re: #39 Locker

Or maybe you could not take someone’s words and twist them so you have a reason to complain.

You can look around and see a lot of people who try and frame it like Matrix is describing. Talking bad about ACORN means you’re racist. Not necessarily anyone here, but it’s out there, like it or not.

49 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:42:38pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. I don’t think this will lose traction in certain circles, no matter how many counts ACORN is cleared of, or how murky the charges against them become. This was a case, to quote Through The Looking Glass of verdict first, then the trial.

Oh, but people in those circles wouldn’t like ACORN if it was pure as the driven snow. I’m thinking more in terms the American public and community groups who might have been reluctant to associate with ACORN while this was still unresolved. I predict we’ll see the wingnuts flail around finding more and more desperate ways to smear ACORN, and making themselves look like fools in the process.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:42:41pm

re: #43 Gus 802

Another sleepless night for Andrew Breitbart.

To the Twitter cave!

/

Oh, there will be Twittering tonight.

Now, any update on O’Keefe and the attempted whatever with Landrieu’s phones?

51 garhighway  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:43:36pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Well I am glad that I didn’t judge one way or the other on this. ACORN is far from a saintly organization but it’s far from the boogeyman that it’s been out to be either. The subsequent demonizing of community activism and activists was a real nasty fall out from this and Obama’s own past as a communist activist. Wasn’t there an attempt at a resolution to commend O’Keefe and Giles for this sting op though? Well, that in my opinion is why you should always wait before the facts come out. Plus O’Keefe’s shown himself with his attempt at wiretapping Landrieu’s office to be a major scumbag.


“Communist activist”?

52 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:43:47pm

re: #37 TheMatrix31

Oh, okay. Sorry to have misinterpreted your post. Maybe you could have been clearer so people don’t take it that way.

This is the weirdest thing about it - people are so quick to misinterpret racism with a defense mechanism.

Of course I did not imply anyone against Acorn was racist. I’m much more careful than that.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:44:09pm

re: #47 Spare O’Lake

The decision not to prosecute will ensure that there will be no trial in this case to provide the legal verdict which is so richly deserved.

I take it you disagree with the Brooklyn DA’s decision.

54 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:45:06pm

re: #51 garhighway

“Communist activist”?

“Community” and to be fair to myself, the “t” and “y” are right next to each other.

55 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:45:31pm

Well, since this is an ACORN thread. I’m outta here. For some reason that topic just brings out the worst.

56 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:45:36pm

re: #48 cliffster

You can look around and see a lot of people who try and frame it like Matrix is describing. Talking bad about ACORN means you’re racist. Not necessarily anyone here, but it’s out there, like it or not.

Or it could be that certain people play the “racism” card with the same enthusiasm that they accuse others of playing the “race” card.

57 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:45:53pm

re: #48 cliffster

A lot of the objections to ACORN are racist. A lot of the objections are because they get out the vote of mainly minority— and Democratic— voters.

Whether they’re opposed to ACORN because they’re getting out the Democratic vote or the minority vote, it has a racist effect; they’re against an organization that helps register minorities to vote.

Many people are against ACORN for reasons unrelated to their get out the vote activities, or because they’ve been told terrible things about ACORN, but there are plenty of people who’s opposition to ACORN is definitely racist.

58 Gus  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:46:07pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, there will be Twittering tonight.

Now, any update on O’Keefe and the attempted whatever with Landrieu’s phones?

Nothing that I’ve seen regarding O’Keefe, Landrieu, et al. I think there’s another hearing coming up.

59 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:46:12pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Well again, I’m sorry.

I’ve had my words twisted into somehow being dogwhistles (some of the most ridiculous crap ever—-really) so naturally I get really pissed off when people seemingly try to claim that something is a certain way when it isn’t.

60 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:48:06pm

re: #57 Obdicut


A lot of the objections to ACORN are racist. A lot of the objections are because they get out the vote of mainly minority— and Democratic— voters.

Whether they’re opposed to ACORN because they’re getting out the Democratic vote or the minority vote, it has a racist effect; they’re against an organization that helps register minorities to vote.

It seems you are saying that opposing the the get-out-the-vote operations is racist because it impacts mostly minorities. If that’s what you’re saying, then that’s the sort of off-the-wall racism accusations that Matrix is complaining about.

61 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:48:07pm

re: #59 TheMatrix31

Well again, I’m sorry.

I’ve had my words twisted into somehow being dogwhistles (some of the most ridiculous crap ever—-really) so naturally I get really pissed off when people seemingly try to claim that something is a certain way when it isn’t.

It’s cool. Sorry to get you going.

62 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:49:21pm

Anyway, gotta head off to do some errands. See y’all later!

63 Qabal  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:49:48pm

The comments in the NY Daily News story are alternately hilarious and depressing, starting with the first. ITS A CONSPIRACY FOLKS!

64 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:50:08pm

re: #60 cliffster

It seems you are saying that opposing the the get-out-the-vote operations is racist because it impacts mostly minorities. If that’s what you’re saying, then that’s the sort of off-the-wall racism accusations that Matrix is complaining about.

Well, if you are against something that mainly benefits a minority because of the way those minorities tend to vote, then yes, your opposition has a racist effect. I’m not sure why this is something that’s debatable.

If someone says, “I don’t like ACORN because they get out the vote for blacks who, as everyone knows, tend to vote for Democrats”, then that is definitely racist.

I don’t think it’s exactly hidden information that they target minority populations with their get out the vote efforts, is it?

65 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:50:13pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it you disagree with the Brooklyn DA’s decision.

There’s disagreeing, and then there’s accusing a DA of deciding not to prosecute because the verdict would be politically inconvenient.

66 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:51:03pm

This is just one of my pet peeves about the election. (not even getting into the people actually hurt by this) I remember so clearly Ms. Palin, with contempt, talking about community organizers at the RNC.

67 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:53:22pm

Wasn’t there a story that ran during the New York-23 special election that had some Doug Hoffman supporters seeing a black dude and assuming he was part of ACORN even though the man ironically enough was a supporter of Hoffman. I of course don’t think every critic of ACORN is a racist but there to me does seem to be definitely a vocal part of the critics that are motivated by race in their criticisms. The blaming of ACORN for McCain’s defeat is equally laughable especially in light of the fact that Obama did really well in the suburbs and rural areas compared to past Democratic candidate. I know for a fact that he won my district 52-47 which was a 18% netgain for the Dems as Bush had won there 56-43 back in 2004 and had posted similar numbers in 2000.

68 keloyd  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:53:37pm

I’m raising one eyebrow about the racism allegations. The hard allegation requires harder proof. That kid, aged 24, tried the same nonsense on Louisiana senator Landrieu’s* office, and she’s fairly white.

ACORN’s choice as a target is mostly or entirely due to their political activism making thim a high value target, imho.

*People of French descent are white enough I suppose, well, not Anglo-Saxon white, not top of the line white, maybe just “it’ll-do” white, but we have to be broad minded nowadays. (kidding!) (or am I?)

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:54:07pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Well, if you are against something that mainly benefits a minority because of the way those minorities tend to vote, then yes, your opposition has a racist effect. I’m not sure why this is something that’s debatable.

If someone says, “I don’t like ACORN because they get out the vote for blacks who, as everyone knows, tend to vote for Democrats”, then that is definitely racist.

Of course, no one ever says that. What they say is that it’s a ‘known fact’ that the ACORN people ‘make’ the voters they sign up vote Democrat. Because it’s really statistically peculiar that so many urban black and Latino voters would register as Democrats. Hardly believable.

//

70 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:54:25pm

Sorry to go OT, but here’s an update on the IRS building:

Fire official confirms FBI report two medical emergencies at Utah IRS office unrelated to suspicious substance - KSL-TV

[Link: twitter.com…]

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:54:27pm

re: #65 Kruk

There’s disagreeing, and then there’s accusing a DA of deciding not to prosecute because the verdict would be politically inconvenient.

There is.

72 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:54:36pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Well, if you are against something that mainly benefits a minority because of the way those minorities tend to vote, then yes, your opposition has a racist effect. I’m not sure why this is something that’s debatable.

If I’m against NBA players making $20 million/year, that does not make me a racist even though the majority of the NBA is black. It means I don’t think basketball players should make that much money. Of course, I don’t actually think that, I think basketball players should bank as much as they possibly can which is a lot. But I’m just illustrating a point.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:55:26pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

Sorry to go OT, but here’s an update on the IRS building:

[Link: twitter.com…]

CRAP. What is the MATTER with people?

74 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:55:41pm

re: #47 Spare O’Lake

The decision not to prosecute will ensure that there will be no trial in this case to provide the legal verdict which is so richly deserved.

There you go talkin’ out yer ass again. You obviously don’t care what’s on the unedited tapes or what went into the Brooklyn DA’s decision, because being a partisan hack is apparently more important to you than personal integrity. You want the DA to try and secure a verdict knowingly based on lies, because in your twisted imagination ACORN has committed some unspecified crime that “richly deserves” a fraudulent prosecution. That’s sick.

75 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:55:47pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, no one ever says that. What they say is that it’s a ‘known fact’ that the ACORN people ‘make’ the voters they sign up vote Democrat. Because it’s really statistically peculiar that so many urban black and Latino voters would register as Democrats. Hardly believable.

//

I could turn that around and say that ACORN is racist because they target mainly minorities. I could, but I won’t, because I think the logic stinks either way you put it.

76 keloyd  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:57:14pm

re: #72 cliffster

I am more bothered that the $20 million basket ball player pays $8 million in income tax and pays a state income tax in New York for the days he is in their state “working”. That’s some thieving, grasping bull crap right there.

77 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:57:19pm

re: #68 keloyd

I’m raising one eyebrow about the racism allegations.

Following Mr. A. Breitbart for a few months gives me enough info to keep both eyebrows down.

78 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:58:03pm

re: #47 Spare O’Lake

The decision not to prosecute will ensure that there will be no trial in this case to provide the legal verdict which is so richly deserved.

What verdict is that? Like I’ve said since the day this story broke, it’s impossible to say what actually happened without seeing the unedited tapes. So far, only the prosecutor and those who made and appeared in them knows what the actual content is. And apparently, there’s no actionable transgression depicted in them.

That there appear to be such transgressions in the edited tape released to the public is meaningless. Years of distorted, lying bilge puked out by Michael Moore ought to be more than enough proof of that.

ACORN is slime, and there is no doubt in my mind that they have broken laws in the past and deserve to be charged, and their management jailed. But what matters is getting a conviction, and that’s not going to happen until there’s some actual evidence of wrongdoing strong enough to stand up in court. A heavily edited tape doesn’t cut it, and it seems obvious from the prosecutor’s decision that what’s on the unedited version bears little resemblance to the portrayal spun on the edited release.

79 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:58:32pm

re: #76 keloyd

I am more bothered that the $20 million basket ball player pays $8 million in income tax and pays a state income tax in New York for the days he is in their state “working”. That’s some thieving, grasping bull crap right there.

Agreed on the income tax. I’ve never even heard about having to pay state income tax for games in a particular state. I think you made that shit up ;)

Anyways, quit changing the topic! //

80 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:58:47pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it you disagree with the Brooklyn DA’s decision.

I am in no position to disagree. But the exercise of prosecutorial discretion is not exactly the same as a judicial verdict of not guilty. Depending on one’s view of politics in the DA’s office and/or the integrity of the jury system, the result may be clear as crystal…or not.
Either way, though, President Obama’s long-awaited rescue of ACORN from under the bus can no longer be withheld, and at least this will clear the air once and for all.

81 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:58:51pm

re: #76 keloyd

I am more bothered that the $20 million basket ball player pays $8 million in income tax and pays a state income tax in New York for the days he is in their state “working”. That’s some thieving, grasping bull crap right there.

I believe they have to pay into each states Workers Comp too. Wherever they play.

82 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:59:02pm

re: #72 cliffster

That seems like a very weak comparison to me. If you are against people being registered to vote because of who they tend to vote for, and that group of people are a social construction that’s a ‘race’, then opposing a group that focusing on registering them to vote is, indeed, racist.

The GOP has an unfortunate history of obstructionism when it comes to minority voting, and the ACORN issue raises it yet again. The GOP really, really, really needs to change the way it deals with minority groups, or it is going to become more and more marginalized over time.

The standard GOP response (not saying in any way this is yours) is that blacks don’t realize that the Democrats are just using them, which is paternalism writ large.

83 keloyd  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:59:14pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

Following Mr. A. Breitbart for a few months gives me enough info to keep both eyebrows down.

Yup, that’s why I’m not saying there’s NOT racism. It’s certainly plausible, but I’ve yet to see adequate non-dog-whistle evidence.

84 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:59:32pm

re: #75 cliffster

I could turn that around and say that ACORN is racist because they target mainly minorities. I could, but I won’t, because I think the logic stinks either way you put it.

There’s a difference between targeting a group for aid in advancement and targeting a group in order to bring it down.

85 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:02:07pm

re: #82 Obdicut

The analogy is 100% sound, I don’t see any reason to try to talk around it. That being said, I agree that the GOP needs to come up with something better than the clumsy messaging it currently has. And selecting a black man as the RNC leader is not the silver bullet they’re hoping for…

86 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:02:54pm

Ok so we have Acorn cleared, but O’Keefe, not so much….

87 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:03:05pm

proof that people will argue about anything, regardless how inane

88 keloyd  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:03:45pm

re: #79 cliffster

Here’s what I heard (only on talk radio driving around at lunch or WSJ editorial grousing) - pro boxing matches have an IRS guy at the fight to make sure things get recorded right and they’re getting what’s rendered unto Caesar. The same goes for other big money athletes. I also have a friend who is here a few weeks, there a few weeks with work - and not an athlete at all. When in CA, he owes state income tax for those few weeks of income, even though his permanent address is here in Tx.

89 jaunte  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:05:20pm

re: #79 cliffster

Here’s an article on what they’re calling the “jock tax”:

The national Federation of Tax Administrators disputes that there are separate tax laws, such as a “jock tax,” that target a specific profession. There is abundant evidence, however, that athletes are singled out for enforcement of nonresident taxes — and that they are paving the way for other high-profile professions.


[Link: moneycentral.msn.com…]

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:06:01pm

re: #75 cliffster

I could turn that around and say that ACORN is racist because they target mainly minorities. I could, but I won’t, because I think the logic stinks either way you put it.

They work in communities that are mainly minority, including some around my neck of the woods. If that’s ‘targeting’, so be it. I wouldn’t say a similar group in, say West Virginia or mountain Tennesee was racist because it was mainly supporting white communities. You serve whoever needs, where you are.

91 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:06:03pm

re: #88 keloyd

That’s nuts. I’ve never heard of that. I’m going to ask about that. That’s horseshit if it’s true. I bring a jillion dollars to your economy by having professional events there, and in return you’re going to try and claim a tax burden in some makeshift weird way.

92 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:07:22pm

re: #19 Spare O’Lake

I can’t wait to hear some LGFers retract their guilty verdicts of ACORN…
*crickets*

93 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:07:37pm

re: #80 Spare O’Lake

I am in no position to disagree. But the exercise of prosecutorial discretion is not exactly the same as a judicial verdict of not guilty. Depending on one’s view of politics in the DA’s office and/or the integrity of the jury system, the result may be clear as crystal…or not.

Exactly what part of “no criminality has been found,” are you having problems understanding? A DA cannot bring charges when they do not believe a crime has even been committed.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:08:48pm

re: #88 keloyd

There was a brief tax war between Washington and Oregon back in the 80’s when Oregon tried to tax all of the joint gross income of a couple if even one of them had worked even one day in Oregon.

Didn’t fly.

95 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:10:03pm

re: #87 albusteve

proof that people will argue about anything, regardless how inane

I disagree.

96 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:10:21pm

re: #95 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I disagree.

You’re both full of shit

97 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:10:41pm

re: #95 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I disagree.

Stop breathing my air.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:11:18pm

re: #92 Varek Raith

I can’t wait to hear some LGFers retract their guilty verdicts of ACORN…
*crickets*

Ain’t gonna happen, wouldn’t have happened if they’d gone to trial and been proven innocent as the driven snow.

Eh, whatever. At least no more public money is going to be wasted on this.

99 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:11:53pm

re: #95 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
re: #96 cliffster
re: #97 EmmmieG

GET OFF OF MY PLANET!

100 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:12:01pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Exactly what part of “no criminality has been found,” are you having problems understanding? A DA cannot bring charges when they do not believe a crime has even been committed.

who’s the DA?…maybe he’s got some reason to lie…who knows…there is dirt everywhere….if you can think of it, it probably has or will happen someday…depends on the definition of ‘is’

101 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:12:07pm

Okay no criminal wrongdoing. So are we to now think there was never anything at all to the appearances of improprieties in the video? Nothing at all? Or was it just not quite up to criminal levels?

102 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:12:23pm

Outrageous outrage of day … Acorn cleared

/it’s a plot meme starts making rounds tomorrow or sooner.

103 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:12:47pm

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

Okay no criminal wrongdoing. So are we to now think there was never anything at all to the appearances of improprieties in the video? Nothing at all? Or was it just not quite up to criminal levels?

“They edited the tape to meet their agenda,” said the source.

104 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:13:45pm

re: #95 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I disagree.

heh…you’re clueless and have no clue

105 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:14:46pm

re: #96 cliffster

You’re both full of shit

It’s not quite that simple.

106 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:14:57pm

Just spent an hour in a dentist’s waiting room watching Cavuto and Beck. I had never spent more than a few minutes on either. At least I was glad to get called to the chair.

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:14:58pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

re: #96 cliffster
re: #97 EmmmieG

GET OFF OF MY PLANET!

Actually, a lot of mankind wouldn’t mind space travel, provided there was something interesting on the other end. (As opposed to living your entire life in a little tiny tin box so that your great-great-great-great grandkids can start terraforming some distant plant.)

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:15:50pm

re: #100 albusteve

who’s the DA?…maybe he’s got some reason to lie…who knows…there is dirt everywhere…if you can think of it, it probably has or will happen someday…depends on the definition of ‘is’

Generally, I try to not assume the DA is crooked unless I have specific reason to think the DA is crooked.

Of course, the DA could be crooked. Or James O’Keefe could be lying through his expensive teeth. I don’t know a reason for the DA to lie. I not only know of a reason for O’Keefe to lie, I know some other, rather damaging things about him. Like the part about breaking into a U.S. Senator’s office to meddle with her phones. Stuff like that.

109 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:16:11pm

What exactly were we talking about again?

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:16:49pm

re: #109 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What exactly were we talking about again?

Why you are going to give me your share of the cookies.

111 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:16:53pm

re: #109 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What exactly were we talking about again?

Yakuza Unicorns.

112 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:16:55pm

It’s stupid to go after ACORN for these supposed asinine low-level employee misdeeds. It’s also symptomatic of politics. ACORN takes federal money, and it also strategerizes about how to get democrats elected. They shouldn’t do that. If you want to go after them for something, go after them for that. The tapes were the equivalent of digging up marital indiscretions against a politician you don’t like, instead of discussing th issues with him/her.

I don’t like ACORN, so I was happy when the ACORN tapes were coming out - because we like to see bad things happen to people we don’t like. But I very much see that it adds nothing to real discourse.

113 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:17:00pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Just spent an hour in a dentist’s waiting room watching Cavuto and Beck. I had never spent more than a few minutes on either. At least I was glad to get called to the chair.

What a choice. “I’ll take the drill, thank you.”

114 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:17:08pm

re: #68 keloyd


I’m raising one eyebrow about the racism allegations. The hard allegation requires harder proof. That kid, aged 24, tried the same nonsense on Louisiana senator Landrieu’s* office, and she’s fairly white.


He was thrown out of his college dorm for over using the ‘n” word and went on to attend a conference of White Nationalists.

115 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:17:28pm

Editing is pretty vague. Was it just to show the worst statements and ignore the rest? Or did they put false answers in to the questions? Sure would love to see the full footage, and assess from there rather than 3rd hand or worse, through the MSM.

Evidence gathered from illicit videotaping is not allowed, whether it is edited or not. So prosecution was never going to be able to use anything in the tapes.

116 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:17:47pm

re: #107 EmmmieG

Actually, a lot of mankind wouldn’t mind space travel, provided there was something interesting on the other end. (As opposed to living your entire life in a little tiny tin box so that your great-great-great-great grandkids can start terraforming some distant plant.)

Perhaps my only regret is that I’ll die on this rock. As my skydiver buddy said when he was grounded too long: “I stink of Earth”.

117 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:18:13pm

re: #112 cliffster

Especially since it appears the tapes were edited to fit the wingnut meme.

118 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:18:16pm

re: #109 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What exactly were we talking about again?

YOU’RE OUT OF ORDER!

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:18:33pm

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

Okay no criminal wrongdoing. So are we to now think there was never anything at all to the appearances of improprieties in the video? Nothing at all? Or was it just not quite up to criminal levels?

No, I suspect there may be quite a lot of dirt under ACORN’s carpet, personally. God knows what’s actually on those tapes. However, given the amount of energy that’s gone into this nonsense, you’d think the Breitbart-O’Keefe gang would have been competent enough to scrape up something slightly more convincing.

120 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:18:47pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

Why you are going to give me your share of the cookies.

You can have them after I’m done digesting.

121 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:18:59pm

re: #26 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I like failbooking, always good for a laugh.

That Will Buff Out, Friends Of Irony, and There I Fixed It are some of my favorites.

122 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:19:03pm

re: #92 Varek Raith

I can’t wait to hear some LGFers retract their guilty verdicts of ACORN…
*crickets*

The crickets really should wait at least 5 minutes before the *chirping*. This simultaneous *chirping* is completely unacceptable.

123 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:19:04pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Generally, I try to not assume the DA is crooked unless I have specific reason to think the DA is crooked.

Of course, the DA could be crooked. Or James O’Keefe could be lying through his expensive teeth. I don’t know a reason for the DA to lie. I not only know of a reason for O’Keefe to lie, I know some other, rather damaging things about him. Like the part about breaking into a U.S. Senator’s office to meddle with her phones. Stuff like that.

I know…but anything is possible, literally…I don’t sweat it

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:19:59pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

He was thrown out of his college dorm for over using the ‘n” word and went on to attend a conference of White Nationalists.

Let’s just say that he has very poor taste in friends.

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:20:06pm

re: #120 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You can have them after I’m done digesting.

Thanks awfully.

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:20:31pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Let’s just say that he has very poor taste in friends.

And jackets.

127 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:20:51pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

And if the Little Father knew how his people suffered, something would be done.

Self-congratulation for me for catching the czarist reference nets you an upding for posting it!

128 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:20:55pm

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

Okay no criminal wrongdoing. So are we to now think there was never anything at all to the appearances of improprieties in the video? Nothing at all? Or was it just not quite up to criminal levels?

ACORN employs assholes. ACORN is run by assholes. But being an asshole isn’t a crime.

Maybe we should actually see the entire tape - something I’ve wanted the filmers to release since the day this story broke - before deciding what it shows.

129 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:21:05pm

re: #120 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You can have them after I’m done digesting.

my mini Porta Potty serves four nicely

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:21:12pm

re: #123 albusteve

I know…but anything is possible, literally…I don’t sweat it

True. On both counts. (Anything is possible, and you don’t sweat it.)

131 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:21:50pm

re: #100 albusteve

who’s the DA?…maybe he’s got some reason to lie…who knows…there is dirt everywhere…if you can think of it, it probably has or will happen someday…depends on the definition of ‘is’

Ah, I see you’re positing the theory of Quantum-Jurisprudence, where all people are simultaneously innocent and guilty of everything until a jury observes them and by observation forces them from their judgmental super-position.

132 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:22:16pm

re: #128 SixDegrees

ACORN employs assholes. ACORN is run by assholes. But being an asshole isn’t a crime.

Maybe we should actually see the entire tape - something I’ve wanted the filmers to release since the day this story broke - before deciding what it shows.

Agree. They let themselves be crippled by dimwits.

133 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:22:30pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I see you’re positing the theory of Quantum-Jurisprudence, where all people are simultaneously innocent and guilty of everything until a jury observes them and by observation forces them from their judgmental super-position.

exactly…how did you know?

134 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:22:48pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

Thanks awfully.

I made ‘em myself.

135 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:23:02pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I see you’re positing the theory of Quantum-Jurisprudence, where all people are simultaneously innocent and guilty of everything until a jury observes them and by observation forces them from their judgmental super-position.

Call it “Albusteve’s Cat”

136 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:23:23pm

re: #134 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I made ‘em myself.

the bakery is OPEN!

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:23:47pm

re: #133 albusteve

exactly…how did you know?

Told my kids today that they were going to be quizzed on identifying direct objects, indirect objects and semi-direct objects. This produced some hysterical scanning of grammar books until it dawned on one of them that I was kidding about the last category.

138 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:23:56pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I see you’re positing the theory of Quantum-Jurisprudence, where all people are simultaneously innocent and guilty of everything until a jury observes them and by observation forces them from their judgmental super-position.

That’s easily accomodated by punishing individuals randomly for the crimes they will inevitably commit.

139 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:23:58pm

re: #128 SixDegrees

ACORN employs assholes. ACORN is run by assholes. But being an asshole isn’t a crime.

Maybe we should actually see the entire tape - something I’ve wanted the filmers to release since the day this story broke - before deciding what it shows.

The front line employees (not the top folks) are low income people from the neighborhoods they serve. You know, just like that cashier at Walmart. I wouldn’t call them assholes.

140 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:24:34pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno about you. (I’d say you weren’t, but Walter bit my head off for presuming to know he wasn’t a racist a while ago.)

But James O’Keefe I am no longer giving the benefit of the doubt to.

Sorry you took it that way, I didn’t mean to be hurtful, I was trying to make a point.

I was trying to make a point that it takes more than being for or against a politician or an organization or an idea to necessarily have the needed information to claim someone as racist or not.

Maybe I have an irrational hatred for the Irish, but since the subject of the Irish rarely comes up here, you wouldn’t know that.

I could very well be racist against a number of groups or individuals.

I’m not. I can’t stand it when someone uses the word fat to describe anyone, or skinny, or any talk that target someone for tom physical attribute.

141 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:24:43pm

re: #136 albusteve

the bakery is OPEN!

Someone is baking brownies.

142 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:24:59pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

Told my kids today that they were going to be quizzed on identifying direct objects, indirect objects and semi-direct objects. This produced some hysterical scanning of grammar books until it dawned on one of them that I was kidding about the last category.

some objects are simply inferred…like a banana peel for example

143 jaunte  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:25:14pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

That’s easily accomodated by punishing individuals randomly for the crimes they will inevitably commit.

The super-collider doesn’t fit.

144 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:25:18pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

The front line employees (not the top folks) are low income people from the neighborhoods they serve. You know, just like that cashier at Walmart. I wouldn’t call them assholes.

If ACORN is really that bad they wouldn’t need to alter the tapes.

145 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:25:29pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

Told my kids today that they were going to be quizzed on identifying direct objects, indirect objects and semi-direct objects. This produced some hysterical scanning of grammar books until it dawned on one of them that I was kidding about the last category.

That’s where you aim at the direct object with the hope that it will ricochet off and hit the semi-direct object.

Kind of like where you hang out with the less-attractive girl to get to her really cute friend.

146 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:25:55pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

That’s easily accomodated by punishing individuals randomly for the crimes they will inevitably commit.

Judge Roy Bean did that very thing….it worked west of the Pecos

147 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:26:19pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

Told my kids today that they were going to be quizzed on identifying direct objects, indirect objects and semi-direct objects. This produced some hysterical scanning of grammar books until it dawned on one of them that I was kidding about the last category.

I bet if you actually put that in a quiz, to be answered in essay form, you would have gotten some interesting answers.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:26:49pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Sorry you took it that way, I didn’t mean to be hurtful, I was trying to make a point.

I was trying to make a point that it takes more than being for or against a politician or an organization or an idea to necessarily have the needed information to claim someone as racist or not.

Maybe I have an irrational hatred for the Irish, but since the subject of the Irish rarely comes up here, you wouldn’t know that.

I could very well be racist against a number of groups or individuals.

I’m not. I can’t stand it when someone uses the word fat to describe anyone, or skinny, or any talk that target someone for tom physical attribute.

Sorry, that was meant to be slightly funny, and didn’t come across that way. You are, in fact, correct. But your general behavior around here leads me to think that you are, in general, not prejudiced against much of anyone categorically.

149 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:27:25pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

The front line employees (not the top folks) are low income people from the neighborhoods they serve. You know, just like that cashier at Walmart. I wouldn’t call them assholes.

They know they live in a hostile political environment. Their lack of a corporate sense of self-preservation is not endearing.

150 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:27:33pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

Told my kids today that they were going to be quizzed on identifying direct objects, indirect objects and semi-direct objects. This produced some hysterical scanning of grammar books until it dawned on one of them that I was kidding about the last category.

You should tell them they’re getting a pop quiz and them ask them questions on carbonation, caffeine content, the new throwback sodas, high fructose corn syrup, and the “Coke or Pepsi” question.

151 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:27:50pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, that was meant to be slightly funny, and didn’t come across that way. You are, in fact, correct. But your general behavior around here leads me to think that you are, in general, not prejudiced against much of anyone categorically.

Thanks… no I’m not. Ok… well… midget prostitutes… can’t stand them.

152 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:28:00pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

They know they live in a hostile political environment. Their lack of a corporate sense of self-preservation is not endearing.

I don’t think they realized what they were in for. The do now.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:28:03pm

re: #146 albusteve

Judge Roy Bean did that very thing…it worked west of the Pecos

Found on a tombstone paid for by the Vigilante Committee—“Here lies Arkansas Jim. We made the mistake, but the joke’s on him.”

154 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:28:04pm

re: #146 albusteve

Judge Roy Bean did that very thing…it worked west of the Pecos

Ah…Lily.

155 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:28:40pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Thanks… no I’m not. Ok… well… midget prostitutes… can’t stand them.

They keep saying how nice your hair smells though. Oh wait.

156 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:29:06pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I see you’re positing the theory of Quantum-Jurisprudence, where all people are simultaneously innocent and guilty of everything until a jury observes them and by observation forces them from their judgmental super-position.

It’s teh Big Verdict theory.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:29:28pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Thanks… no I’m not. Ok… well… midget prostitutes… can’t stand them.

Never offend a working girl who can headbutt you in the crotch at a dead run. That’s my advice.

158 sandbox  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:30:15pm

O’Keefe and ACORN deserve each other.

159 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:30:16pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

Never offend a working girl who can headbutt you in the crotch at a dead run. That’s my advice.

That’s good advice. I’m writing that down.

160 gamark  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:30:34pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Generally, I try to not assume the DA is crooked unless I have specific reason to think the DA is crooked.

I think it better to assume crookedness as that leads to more effective oversight of public officials. The list of criminally corrupt DAs is long and the list of politically biased DAs is even longer. I’m making no claims on this specific case. Just saying in general.

161 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:31:13pm

Okay, this is Brooklyn’s verdict. Anyone know when we will hear from Baltimore, Washington D.C., San Bernardino, San Diego, and Philadelphia, where this same stunt was pulled? Or if they are even investigating?

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:31:39pm

re: #160 gamark

I think it better to assume crookedness as that leads to more effective oversight of public officials. The list of criminally corrupt DAs is long and the list of politically biased DAs is even longer. I’m making no claims on this specific case. Just saying in general.

Probably true. I know zip about the Brooklyn DA’s office.

163 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:31:41pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Sorry you took it that way, I didn’t mean to be hurtful, I was trying to make a point.

I was trying to make a point that it takes more than being for or against a politician or an organization or an idea to necessarily have the needed information to claim someone as racist or not.

Maybe I have an irrational hatred for the Irish, but since the subject of the Irish rarely comes up here, you wouldn’t know that.

I could very well be racist against a number of groups or individuals.

I’m not. I can’t stand it when someone uses the word fat to describe anyone, or skinny, or any talk that target someone for tom physical attribute.

We all have our peeves. or more than peeves. I get ticked off when people make fun of names. I brought it up in some other thread about McAngry, McBlame, McLame, etc. and well as Nobama and all the rest, but I think people enjoy what they consider the cleverness of it.

164 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:31:45pm

re: #155 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

They keep saying how nice your hair smells though. Oh wait.

Alberto VO5 (now you know what the VO stands for).

165 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:32:31pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Thanks… no I’m not. Ok… well… midget prostitutes… can’t stand eat them.

Was that wrong? Because it felt wrong.
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

Never offend a working girl who can headbutt you in the crotch at a dead run. That’s my advice.

I really need to start writing these rules down in list form.

166 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:32:37pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Alberto VO5 (now you know what the VO stands for).

Wouldn’t the VD5 (Vas Deferens) formula work better there?

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:33:19pm

re: #161 The Sanity Inspector

Okay, this is Brooklyn’s verdict. Anyone know when we will hear from Baltimore, Washington D.C., San Bernardino, San Diego, and Philadelphia, where this same stunt was pulled? Or if they are even investigating?

I don’t know. Would they need to be approached by O’Keefe and the Gang with the evidence, or could they request it from him?

168 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:33:41pm

re: #161 The Sanity Inspector

Okay, this is Brooklyn’s verdict. Anyone know when we will hear from Baltimore, Washington D.C., San Bernardino, San Diego, and Philadelphia, where this same stunt was pulled? Or if they are even investigating?

As I recall the ACORN employee is suing Brietbart over the edited tapes. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that pretty much all of the tapes were edited and distorted.

169 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:34:13pm

re: #163 Silvergirl

We all have our peeves. or more than peeves. I get ticked off when people make fun of names. I brought it up in some other thread about McAngry, McBlame, McLame, etc. and well as Nobama and all the rest, but I think people enjoy what they consider the cleverness of it.

Probably… I’m always surprised what some people will consider fair game when it comes to pigeon-holing some personal attribute about someone else or a group of someone.

Maybe that passes for debate. It’s certainly easier than getting involved in the intellectual details.

170 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:35:00pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

As I recall the ACORN employee is suing Brietbart over the edited tapes. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that pretty much all of the tapes were edited and distorted.

Show us the tapes, OKeefe. This could all be settled if you’d just show us the tapes.

171 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:35:45pm

re: #170 cliffster

Show us the tapes, OKeefe. This could all be settled if you’d just show us the tapes.

Which is why they’ll fight to keep them from the public.

172 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:35:59pm

re: #163 Silvergirl

That’s gotta be a pretty tough pet peeve for hanging around political discussion >>

173 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:36:14pm

re: #170 cliffster

People have been asking to see the unedited tapes for months. There’s a reason Brietbart hasn’t released them.

174 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:36:54pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

As I recall the ACORN employee is suing Brietbart over the edited tapes. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that pretty much all of the tapes were edited and distorted.

With the court case you have to assume that the tapes (full) were submitted as evidence, so maybe full versions can now be had via FOIA since O’Keefe, Breitbart & co won’t release them.

175 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:37:01pm

re: #172 windsagio

That’s gotta be a pretty tough pet peeve for hanging around political discussion >>

Not really. Why do you think so?

You defend it?

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:37:22pm

re: #170 cliffster

Show us the tapes, OKeefe. This could all be settled if you’d just show us the tapes.

Someone, Buck I think, has posted that they can’t without releases from the employees they recorded. Is that everyone’s understanding of the law here?

177 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:37:53pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Found on a tombstone paid for by the Vigilante Committee—“Here lies Arkansas Jim. We made the mistake, but the joke’s on him.”

really…in the 1880’s…Las Vegas, NM got so bad a group of vigilantes posted a warning to a large group, and associated people, that they would be found if out after dark and summarily hung…and they did…more than a couple of innocent people were stretched….true story, the notice itself is still around

178 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:38:00pm

re: #175 Silvergirl

Because, as you noted, ‘cute’ nicknames aren’t exactly uncommon :p

179 drcordell  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:38:35pm

Why am I doubtful that this news will ever manage to penetrate the Fox News/Politico/Drudge world.

180 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:38:43pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ah…Lily.

just a terrific movie btw….a lot of it was true

181 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:38:44pm

re: #177 albusteve

That kinda thing was pretty common where they had vigilance committees.

182 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:38:58pm

re: #179 drcordell

It’ll be an interesting test won’t it!

183 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:39:29pm

re: #182 windsagio

(needs an edit function): It’ll hit Drudge, he’ll link anything!

184 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:39:32pm

re: #181 windsagio

That kinda thing was pretty common where they had vigilance committees.

That’s “neighborhood watch” to you, pinko.

185 drcordell  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:40:02pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Someone, Buck I think, has posted that they can’t without releases from the employees they recorded. Is that everyone’s understanding of the law here?

I think that would depend on the laws of each state that the tapes were filmed in. But since this has turned into such a national news story, the footage certainly qualifies as “newsworthy” and I don’t believe anyone filmed has any recourse to prevent them from being aired.

186 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:40:27pm

re: #179 drcordell

Why am I doubtful that this news will ever manage to penetrate the Fox News/Politico/Drudge world.

Well it made Drudge but not without scare quotes around “clears”

Brooklyn Judge ‘Clears’ ACORN!

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:40:46pm

Michelle Malkin, in one of her moments of rationality, has said that she is not running to blame Al Gore for the family in Argentina who committed suicide and mentioned global warming in their note.

Once in a while, Michelle is quite sensible.

188 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:40:58pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

What about the Homeowner’s association?

189 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:41:35pm

re: #188 windsagio

What about the Homeowner’s association?

Naz….no, nevermind…
///

190 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:41:52pm

Of course the damage has been done.

The smear that the wingnuts gt out of this will not go away, and it is now an article of faith amongst many that all of Acorn all the time is guilty of all manner of sin.

Of course that is what the smear set out to do even before the “sting.”

The real truth here is that the GOP can’t have too many black people exercising their right to vote, becuase one thing that inner city black people do know is that whatever parties their are out there, the GOP is not their party.

On the flip side, if you are the GOP and you want to rile up white fears of losing white America, then Acorn is a delightful bank shot of a target.

191 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:41:53pm

re: #178 windsagio

Because, as you noted, ‘cute’ nicknames aren’t exactly uncommon :p

Right.

Cato corrects grammar and spelling mistakes which are also not uncommon. It doesn’t mean it’s more than I can bear to see juvenile antics. It still doesn’t mean it’s clever behavior. It’s way down on the humor scale.

192 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:42:07pm

re: #188 windsagio

What about the Homeowner’sCattlemen’s association?

193 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:42:11pm

re: #179 drcordell

Why am I doubtful that this news will ever manage to penetrate the Fox News/Politico/Drudge world.

It’s on the front page of Drudge right now.

194 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:43:05pm

re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote

The people you’re talking about that thought something like this about ACORN before the ‘scandal’, so nothing will change there.

195 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:43:20pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Someone, Buck I think, has posted that they can’t without releases from the employees they recorded. Is that everyone’s understanding of the law here?

Not exactly, he never secured waivers before releasing the edited tapes, so why start now? He doesn’t want to release the unedited tapes because it would hand ammunition to those suing him in civil court for unlawful recording.

It’s a matter of self-preservation and legal gamesmanship rather than strict ability.

196 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:43:28pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Do. Not. Get. Me. Started. On. HOA’s.

We had folks have to rip up their front yard because they used stone that was not natural stone.

197 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:43:28pm

re: #191 Silvergirl

eeh; you certainly have the right to feel that way, nobody’s denying that :P

198 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:43:51pm

re: #181 windsagio

That kinda thing was pretty common where they had vigilance committees.

the thing about these guys is that they were prominent citizens and the list of bad guys was thorough….it was systematic anarchy, and it worked, more or less

199 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:44:00pm

I don’t even want to know what the screaming about this is going to be like on the Right.

“Alinksy! Commies! UNION THUGS!”

“ACORN is worse than Vito Corleone! They have all the judges and politicians in their pockets, and they refuse to share. Go over to Brooklyn and get the mattresses. THIS IS WAR!”

200 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:44:32pm

re: #196 EmmmieG

HOAs are a great demonstration that the old saw about local government being more responsible and responsive is not generally true.

There ain’t no tyrant like a petty tyrant.

201 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:44:35pm

re: #174 Thanos

With the court case you have to assume that the tapes (full) were submitted as evidence, so maybe full versions can now be had via FOIA since O’Keefe, Breitbart & co won’t release them.

Good point. Not sure how that works.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:44:45pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

I don’t even want to know what the screaming about this is going to be like on the Right.

“Alinksy! Commies! UNION THUGS!”

“ACORN is worse than Vito Corleone! They have all the judges and politicians in their pockets, and they refuse to share. Go over to Brooklyn and get the mattresses. THIS IS WAR!”

I’ve never heard the expression as ‘get the mattresses’.

203 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:44:57pm

re: #196 EmmmieG

Do. Not. Get. Me. Started. On. HOA’s.

We had folks have to rip up their front yard because they used stone that was not natural stone.

HOA’s are made of up control freaks who failed to establish their very own totalitarian dictatorships.

204 drcordell  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:45:04pm

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

It’s on the front page of Drudge right now.

Surprisingly enough, yes. Let’s see how long it stays. And imagine if they had actually been found guilty. It would be the headline with size-48 font and sirens blaring.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:45:12pm

re: #200 Obdicut

HOAs are a great demonstration that the old saw about local government being more responsible and responsive is not generally true.

There ain’t no tyrant like a petty tyrant.

I think it was Kissinger who said that conflict in academia was so intense because the stakes were so low.

206 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:45:20pm

re: #196 EmmmieG

Do. Not. Get. Me. Started. On. HOA’s.

We had folks have to rip up their front yard because they used stone that was not natural stone.

My son has to repaint on their schedule, and submit paint swatches first.

207 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:45:39pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s blogs too >>

208 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:45:46pm

re: #203 Alouette

HOA’s are made of up control freaks who failed to establish their very own totalitarian dictatorships.

When they denied me my dwarf pie cherry tree, I kept thinking, “Potemkin village.”

209 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:12pm

re: #197 windsagio

eeh; you certainly have the right to feel that way, nobody’s denying that :P

eeh-yeah.

I didn’t realize you were so passive since you’re so often busy with the downdinger.

210 Racer X  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:13pm

Charlie was not so lucky.

House to vote on Rep. Rangel’s chairmanship

Rangel was admonished by the ethics panel on Thursday for taking trips to the Caribbean that were paid for by private corporations, a violation of the House gift rules. The funding for the trips — to Antigua in 2007 and St. Maarten in 2008 — was not initially disclosed by Rangel’s office.

Last year, the House took two votes on whether Rangel, who has been at the center of multiple ethics probes, should keep his seat atop the influential tax-writing committee. Democrats coalesced and supported Rangel in both votes.

211 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:14pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve never heard the expression as ‘get the mattresses’.

I think he was just checking to see that we are listening.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:33pm

re: #203 Alouette

HOA’s are made of up control freaks who failed to establish their very own totalitarian dictatorships.

Look, is it better for a personality like this to run a couple of blocks in Sherman Oaks, or, say, North Korea? Maybe HOAs are a mechanism to prevent people like this from achieving power on a larger scale.

/

213 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:34pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve never heard the expression as ‘get the mattresses’.

It’s usually “going to the mattresses”, but in Part I, Clemenza tells an underling to go get ‘em. And have ‘em fumigated.

214 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:34pm

re: #198 albusteve

Up to a point, it certainly worked. I look at it as part of the natural progression towards civility.

215 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:46:48pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

Michelle Malkin, in one of her moments of rationality, has said that she is not running to blame Al Gore for the family in Argentina who committed suicide and mentioned global warming in their note.

Once in a while, Michelle is quite sensible.

Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice each day.

216 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:00pm

HOAs…Scorched Earth policy is the best way to go.
/

217 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:24pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

When they denied me my dwarf pie cherry tree, I kept thinking, “Potemkin village.”

As in “burn it down”?

218 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:24pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

THE HOA episode of X-Files is still my favorite ever

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:29pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

When they denied me my dwarf pie cherry tree, I kept thinking, “Potemkin village.”

Has the czarina come by yet?

220 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:30pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

When they denied me my dwarf pie cherry tree, I kept thinking, “Potemkin village.”

I could never live like that…why people do is beyond me

221 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:47pm

re: #211 cliffster

I think he was just checking to see that we are listening.

Early neighborhood version of Kevlar shielding.

222 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:47:54pm

re: #220 albusteve

I could never live like that…why people do is beyond me

Because our last HOA ignored us, and maintained the pool.

223 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:48:04pm

re: #204 drcordell

Surprisingly enough, yes. Let’s see how long it stays. And imagine if they had actually been found guilty. It would be the headline with size-48 font and sirens blaring.

No doubt.

224 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:48:29pm

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice each day.

Or maybe she’s on Prozac and hormone replacement therapy.

225 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:48:39pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Has the czarina come by yet?

She called personally to be sure I “wasn’t offended.”

226 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:49:19pm

re: #203 Alouette

HOA’s are made of up control freaks who failed to establish their very own totalitarian dictatorships.

HOA’s are a necessary evil. I won’t buy a house in a neighborhood that doesn’t have one. You’ve got to have something to keep people from letting their place go to shit, parking in the front yard, putting up fountains with little boys taking a leak, and generally jacking up your property values because they are either too lazy, too trashy or both. Just don’t piss off the people on the board.

227 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:49:27pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Look, is it better for a personality like this to run a couple of blocks in Sherman Oaks, or, say, North Korea? Maybe HOAs are a mechanism to prevent people like this from achieving power on a larger scale.

/

My mother just loves the HOA that rules over her neighborhood with an iron fist. She didn’t even mind filling out the 55-page spec sheet for my dad’s painting studio that nobody can even see from the freaking street!

228 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:50:19pm

re: #214 windsagio

Up to a point, it certainly worked. I look at it as part of the natural progression towards civility.

the law could not keep up….Las Vegas NM was far more violent than any of the more famous towns like Dodge, Deadwood, Tombstone, El Paso or any of them….part of the myth…as for natural progression you are exactly correct

229 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:50:25pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Has the czarina come by yet?

She was well-mounted.

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:50:28pm

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice each day.

She also put on the brakes about that weird story with the woman who claimed an Obama supporter attacked her and carved up her face. I may be damning with faint praise, but I do appreciate it. Much of that crew doesn’t do a ‘say what?’ with ANYTHING.

231 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:50:36pm

re: #226 cliffster

would have thought you were for property rights ;)

232 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:50:44pm

re: #227 Alouette

I’m not allowed to put up a play structure because my children might climb on it and see into the neighbor’s back yard and invade their privacy.

Mind you, we have two-story houses fifty feet apart.

233 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:50:47pm

re: #226 cliffster

HOA’s are a necessary evil. I won’t buy a house in a neighborhood that doesn’t have one. You’ve got to have something to keep people from letting their place go to shit, parking in the front yard, putting up fountains with little boys taking a leak, and generally jacking up your property values because they are either too lazy, too trashy or both. Just don’t piss off the people on the board.

Sounds….commutastic!
/:P

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:51:17pm

re: #225 EmmmieG

She called personally to be sure I “wasn’t offended.”

I love the HOA president character in “Over The Hedge”.

235 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:51:40pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

I love the HOA president character in “Over The Hedge”.

Oh, I’m going to have to see that now.

236 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:51:44pm

re: #231 windsagio

would have thought you were for property rights ;)

I am, but you also know what you’re getting into. You buy the house, and at the same time you sign the HOA agreement. Ultimately, I’m going to build whatever house I want on my 20 acres of land out in the middle of nowhere, and fly whatever freak flag I like.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:51:58pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

She was well-mounted.

YECH.

238 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:51:59pm

re: #233 Varek Raith

lol convergent evolution of thoughts >>

239 albusteve  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:52:15pm

re: #222 EmmmieG

Because our last HOA ignored us, and maintained the pool.

in ABQ you do what you want pretty much, but we are somewhat quirky down here….laid back…you want a donky in your front yard?, have a donky

240 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:52:33pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

I love the HOA president character in “Over The Hedge”.

Oh that movie! I liked the mini acid trip the animials went on.

241 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:52:44pm

re: #239 albusteve

I prefer free-range Democrats :D

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:53:05pm

re: #235 EmmmieG

Oh, I’m going to have to see that now.

Alison Janney (she played the press secretary in ‘West Wing’) does the voice. You freqently spot her on her cell phone, berating neighbors whose grass is the wrong height.

243 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:53:06pm

re: #239 albusteve

in ABQ you do what you want pretty much, but we are somewhat quirky down here…laid back…you want a donky in your front yard?, have a donky

I have a cousin in a more-upscale (read: uptight) neighborhood in Washington who is growing tomatoes in her front yard in a show of civil disobedience.

244 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:53:08pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

YECH.

Pay no attention, I’m just Romanov.

245 drcordell  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:53:38pm

re: #220 albusteve

I could never live like that…why people do is beyond me

Just like everything else, it’s a compromise. They keep property values up, but they can also piss you off when they think your home improvement “cheapens” the neighborhood.

246 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:53:40pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

Alison Janney (she played the press secretary in ‘West Wing’) does the voice. You freqently spot her on her cell phone, berating neighbors whose grass is the wrong height.

Wow. Just wow. My neighbors got a letter for having a messy front yard because they were…get ready…installing a sprinkler system.

247 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:54:01pm

re: #181 windsagio

That kinda thing was pretty common where they had vigilance committees.

There’s a website based on a book of hstorical photos of lynching, Without Sanctuary. Soul-wrenching stuff…

248 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:54:08pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

So, I’m a racist because I don’t like ACORN.

Cool.

No, you’re still just a popinjay. One of my favorites.

249 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:54:54pm

re: #247 The Sanity Inspector

Lord, if you’ll excuse me I won’t look that up :p

250 doubter4444  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:55:07pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Well, if you are against something that mainly benefits a minority because of the way those minorities tend to vote, then yes, your opposition has a racist effect. I’m not sure why this is something that’s debatable.

If someone says, “I don’t like ACORN because they get out the vote for blacks who, as everyone knows, tend to vote for Democrats”, then that is definitely racist.

I don’t think it’s exactly hidden information that they target minority populations with their get out the vote efforts, is it?

No.
I tend to agree with you on some things, but that comment is not accurate.
Not liking GOTV efforts by the other side is not inherent racism.
It just isn’t.

You can not like the other side being smart and trying their best to stack the deck (register more people, in this instance) in their favor, but if you do, it’s not inherent racism.
It’s inherent partisanship, perhaps, but that’s neither illegal nor immoral (bordering on immoral at tit’s extreme, maybe).
No, outright disenfranchisement is both illegal and immoral, and that does go hand in hand, but don’t tar with such a wide brush.

251 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:55:34pm

re: #246 EmmmieG

Wow. Just wow. My neighbors got a letter for having a messy front yard because they were…get ready…installing a sprinkler system.

Heh, let’s see ‘em complain about my laser defense grids and sentry turrets.
/

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:55:38pm

re: #226 cliffster

HOA’s are a necessary evil. I won’t buy a house in a neighborhood that doesn’t have one. You’ve got to have something to keep people from letting their place go to shit, parking in the front yard, putting up fountains with little boys taking a leak, and generally jacking up your property values because they are either too lazy, too trashy or both. Just don’t piss off the people on the board.

Haha all the neighborhoods I want to live in are in the city. Suburban gated communities leave me clammy. If I want to paint Alice Cooper’s face on my house, I’m gonna! The HOA’s CCNRs in my parents neighborhood are insane. They go bonkers if you put the wrong kind of tile on your roof, and far from just parking in the yard, they don’t want cars in the driveway either.

But then again, I have no Joneses to keep up with, no smiling gladhands to impress, and my friends are exactly the sort of people who will drive your property values down :D

253 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:56:48pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

Haha all the neighborhoods I want to live in are in the city. Suburban gated communities leave me clammy. If I want to paint Alice Cooper’s face on my house, I’m gonna! The HOA’s CCNRs in my parents neighborhood are insane. They go bonkers if you put the wrong kind of tile on your roof, and far from just parking in the yard, they don’t want cars in the driveway either.

But then again, I have no Joneses to keep up with, no smiling gladhands to impress, and my friends are exactly the sort of people who will drive your property values down :D

Zany Zebra. I like it.

254 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:56:51pm

Oh Mr. President, can our beloved ACORN please come out from under the bus yet?

255 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:56:58pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

Haha all the neighborhoods I want to live in are in the city. Suburban gated communities leave me clammy. If I want to paint Alice Cooper’s face on my house, I’m gonna! The HOA’s CCNRs in my parents neighborhood are insane. They go bonkers if you put the wrong kind of tile on your roof, and far from just parking in the yard, they don’t want cars in the driveway either.

But then again, I have no Joneses to keep up with, no smiling gladhands to impress, and my friends are exactly the sort of people who will drive your property values down :D

I still have to worry about schools, and so I have limited options.

However, I had no idea this HOA was going to be this nuts.

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:57:49pm

re: #245 drcordell

Just like everything else, it’s a compromise. They keep property values up, but they can also piss you off when they think your home improvement “cheapens” the neighborhood.

I guess it also depends why you buy a house. if the house is an investment and you want to flip it, makes some sense. If it’s my primary residence and I don’t plan to sell? I’m far less concerned about the property values.

257 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:58:11pm

Our Beloved Breitbart, would you please release the unedited tapes?

258 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:58:13pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

I still have to worry about schools, and so I have limited options.

However, I had no idea this HOA was going to be this nuts.

If you want to live in Stepford, you have to make allowances.

259 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:58:41pm

re: #256 WindUpBird

wouldn’t lower be better? Keep yer taxes down :D

260 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:59:02pm

re: #250 doubter4444

I’m sorry; it may be incidentally racist, but it is still racist. If ACORN did not do their get out the vote activities, the end result would be fewer black people (and other minorities) registered as voters. It would also mean fewer Democrats. It is not possible to decry the Democratic part of that and ignore the minority part of that.

I am not saying that it’s the simple kind of ‘I don’t like black people, therefore I don’t want them to be registered to vote’ racism, but it is, definitely, the ‘I don’t like the way black people vote, therefore I don’t want them to be registered to vote’ brand of racism. Much softer, but still addressed to race.

In a similar way, GOP efforts to stymie Rock the Vote are ageist, and shortsighted as all hell as well. They’re basically ceding minorities and the youth vote to the Democrats. That’s dumb.

261 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:59:11pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

Our Beloved Breitbart, would you please release the unedited tapes?

Breitbart: “I’ll give you the tapes when Obama gives me his birth certificate” //

262 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 3:59:47pm

re: #261 cliffster

Breitbart: “I’ll give you the tapes when Obama gives me his birth certificate Warranty” //

Obama’s a cyborg.

263 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:00:24pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

/quibble

He’d still have a birth cirtificate then, right?

/quibble

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:01:08pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

I still have to worry about schools, and so I have limited options.

However, I had no idea this HOA was going to be this nuts.

When my father was about to buy our house 32 years ago, there was an ongoing dispute with the builder over some minute construction detail, and the HOA had put a lien on it. Thankfully my father is a clever lawyer, knew the HOA’s lawyer, and they figured out a way to pry the HOA loose from their quarry and buy the house.

All the horror stories I’ve heard from my friends and family members who own houses about HOAs, they’re all like that, the HOA doesn’t go insane until after you’re settled in, and there’s some Bobbi Dooley-esque witch-tyrant running the show and treating it like her own private empire.

265 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:01:09pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Obama’s a cyborg.

He has a warranty? Can I return him and get a different president?

266 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:01:47pm

re: #263 windsagio

/quibble

He’d still have a birth cirtificate then, right?

/quibble

No, as his original is on Alpha Draconis, far out of our reach…

267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:02:13pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

If you want to live in Stepford, you have to make allowances.

I could give you a big lecture on Oregon land laws, but I’ll let you research it yourself.

If we could just buy a couple of acres and build, we would. Buildable acres a reasonable distance from my husband’s work are rare, and expensive.

(On the other hand, I can drive to you-pick strawberries and blueberries in 10 minutes.)

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:02:33pm

re: #259 windsagio

wouldn’t lower be better? Keep yer taxes down :D

Haha right before the appriasal, I’ll pay my neighbor a couple grand to keep an overturned IROC-Z in their front yard :D

269 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:03:18pm

re: #266 Varek Raith

Pff Alien Cyborgs? That’s gotta be illegal. Orly was right all along!!

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:04:38pm

re: #265 cliffster

He has a warranty? Can I return him and get a different president?

Sure, but you get another Democratic one. How does this Clinton-1000 suit you?

271 cliffster  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:05:35pm

re: #270 WindUpBird

Sure, but you get another Democratic one. How does this Clinton-1000 suit you?

I’ll take Zell Miller

272 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:05:49pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

I could give you a big lecture on Oregon land laws, but I’ll let you research it yourself.

If we could just buy a couple of acres and build, we would. Buildable acres a reasonable distance from my husband’s work are rare, and expensive.

(On the other hand, I can drive to you-pick strawberries and blueberries in 10 minutes.)

I feel you. I was once offered a great job in Hawaii. In this part of Alabama, neighbors don’t bother each other unless they’re really ticked. It’s one advantage of a heavy gun culture.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:06:45pm

Lol Republicans on national security: [Link: thinkprogress.org…]

BASH: I spoke with Geoff Morrell over at the Pentagon and just asked him what the impact is of not having these three people in place — one of whom, as you know, is the number two at the Air Force. He said, “Without these people, we’re not firing on all cylinders.” And he also said, “It does adversely affect the organization.”

Are you worried about that? This is a time of war –

SHELBY: The Pentagon is a big place. I don’t think one or two will affect anything except on the margins.

BASH: Do you think that the nominees you have holds on are qualified?

SHELBY: Oh, I don’t have any idea. I looked at them closely and we’ll see. Sometimes that’s not the issue.

274 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:07:29pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

Or something like this.


re: #267 EmmmieG

Man, I love OR zoning laws. One of the main reasons PDX is so much more livable than Seattle.

275 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:07:46pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

That one is my smart senator.

276 drcordell  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:07:51pm

Living downtown and dealing with your landlord to try and get maintenance done isn’t much more fun than dealing with a HOA. Currently trying to get Tishman-Speyer to fix my goddamn intercom. The only maintenance windows are M/W/F, 8 a.m. to noon or 1 p.m. to 4 p.m.

I just asked the woman how they expect anyone with a job to actually be available during any of those hours. “Well sir, those are the options we have.” Fuckin great!

277 windsagio  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:08:46pm

Totally OT:

Plastic Beach whole album preview.

Still trying to decide if its as good as their former albums or not.

278 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:09:16pm

re: #276 drcordell

It’s like the cable company. They’ll be there between 9am and 6pm. Then, they don’t show!
Sigh.

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:09:23pm

re: #271 cliffster

I’ll take Zell Miller

He’s pretty cool, if you like deranged lunatics! Personally, I prefer smart people in office :D

280 doubter4444  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:09:25pm

re: #260 Obdicut

I know what you mean, and yes, race is a factor, particularly for the spouting heads that made such a big deal about it, because they know better, and are cynically exploiting the group and the visceral reaction they know they will get when they flog the story.
In general, most people never knew or cared about ACORN till it was brought up as a bogyman in the election.
Most people know only about the GOTV efforts and nothing about what they do the rest of the year.
Most of those people only think a scam is being perpetrated , and they cry foul.
That the organization happens to be helping mainly black and inner-city minorities is the dog whistle for those who want to hear it, but it’s not the whole thing.

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:10:29pm

re: #274 windsagio

Or something like this.
.

I’ve always pined for the day that I can finally buy my dream car: half a Trans-Am.

282 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:11:29pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

I’ve always pined for the day that I can finally buy my dream car: half a Trans-Am.

I’m saving up for half a Lexus.

283 avanti  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:13:48pm

One Republican kills thousands of jobs. He opposed a bill to pay as you go, but stops payments that were not funded, go figure.

link.

284 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:13:50pm

re: #280 doubter4444

All I’m saying is that it’s a dog whistle for a lot of people. I’m not even saying most, just that a lot of people don’t want more blacks to be registered to vote and they’re opposed to ACORN because of that. Whether it’s because they think blacks are dumb or because they think blacks tend to vote for Democrats, it still works out for a desire for fewer blacks to be registered.

I’m not applying it to everyone, but I think it’s obvious those people are more numerous than either of us would like.

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:14:48pm

re: #282 EmmmieG

I’m saving up for half a Lexus.

For half a Lexus, you could get an entire 1974 Dodge Monaco!

286 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:15:47pm

re: #285 WindUpBird

For half a Lexus, you could get an entire 1974 Dodge Monaco!

I think I want a car that is younger than most of my siblings.

287 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:17:40pm

re: #286 EmmmieG

I think I want a car that is younger than most of my siblings.

According to Scions of Lucas, a Brit-car group, the total age of your cars should always exceed your age.

288 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:18:22pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

According to Scions of Lucas, a Brit-car group, the total age of your cars should always exceed your age.

Fine. I’ll buy twenty cars that are all 2-3 years old.

289 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:18:57pm

Trivia question for which I do not have the answer:

Who went to the Mattresses first?
a. Kid Sally Palumbo
b. The Corleones

Both books were published in ‘69, anyone know which came first?

290 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:19:53pm

The new phonics game for my 4 year-old is here. I have been booted by my own priorities.

Bye!

291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:19:56pm

re: #286 EmmmieG

I think I want a car that is younger than most of my siblings.

BUT IT’S THE BLUESMOBILE

actually, there was a 2004 GTO for sale down the street from me for about $11K. Corvette engine and four seats for used Civic money = win!

292 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:19:59pm

re: #288 EmmmieG

Fine. I’ll buy twenty cars that are all 2-3 years old.

Put some kitty-litter in your driveway, and you can borrow my Series3 Landrover. It will settle your HOA issues one way or another.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:21:16pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Put some kitty-litter in your driveway, and you can borrow my Series3 Landrover. It will settle your HOA issues one way or another.

AWESOME! Does it run? :D

294 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:22:48pm

re: #293 WindUpBird

Daily and slowly.

295 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:25:24pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

Daily and slowly.

it’s the kid of ride I want to wear a pith helmet behind the wheel of.

296 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:25:58pm

re: #293 WindUpBird

re: #295 WindUpBird

Looks very much like this:

Image: S3ffr9.jpg

297 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:34:52pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Aaaand…let the games begin!

Should be entertaining how O’Keefe and co decide to spin this latest librul conspiracy to unravel the power of True Americans.

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:42:58pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Obama’s a cyborg.

Cylon. Cylon. But there’s nothing in the Constitution that says that a Cylon can’t be president, so that’s OK.

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:54:25pm

Oooh boy. This is gonna be a really bad year for the Wingnut Brigade.

300 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

That’s easily accomodated by punishing individuals randomly for the crimes they will inevitably commit.

And standarise the punishments the way Draco did. He punished just about every crime by death, because the minor crimes deserved nothing less than death, and he couldn’t think of any punishment worse than death for the major crimes.*

*Draco obviously never played Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition.

301 Vambo  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:15:14pm

ACORN BIG GUBBAMINT SEKRIT MUSLEM NIRTH SIRTIFIKIT MARXIST!!!!!!!!!

(sorry, I have Wingnut Tourette’s).

302 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:15:16pm

re: #147 cliffster

I bet if you actually put that in a quiz, to be answered in essay form, you would have gotten some interesting answers.

Heh. That’s actually quite a smart strategy. Examiners don’t usually give “negative marks” for being outrageously wrong, so if you have the time you can often get an extra mark or two just by bluffing. It might be the difference between a pass or a fail, or between an A or a B.

303 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:17:56pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

The front line employees (not the top folks) are low income people from the neighborhoods they serve. You know, just like that cashier at Walmart. I wouldn’t call them assholes.

Based on personal, up-close experience with both levels, I’d call them assholes.

304 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:19:12pm

re: #112 cliffster

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

I think this shows a wart in our system-We just do not take election laws and procedures seriously enough. For the life of me voter ID as was proposed in California is a darn good idea. We have to produce ID for so many ordinary things. Anyone without ID is disenfranchised in many ways more damaging than voting. Put in some help and flexibility on exact types of ID accepted and you get a better result.

From my reading we have an error margin in the general elections of plus or minus at least two percent. Even with recounts. To me that is not acceptable, but states cheap out on this essential process.

305 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:19:53pm

re: #128 SixDegrees

I agree-If we can view the CRU emails why not the tapes?

306 Vambo  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:21:33pm

re: #75 cliffster

I could turn that around and say that ACORN is racist because they target mainly minorities.

dictionary fail, that’s not the definition of racism.

307 Kruk  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:28:10pm

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

Cylon. Cylon. But there’s nothing in the Constitution that says that a Cylon can’t be president, so that’s OK.

What about the “natural born” bit?

On a serious note, I’m half wondering what will happen when someone who was concieved by IVF or pre-implantation embryo screening runs for president. Is someone really going to claim that the Founding Fathers foresaw 20th century technology and ruled it out?

308 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:30:19pm

re: #301 Vambo

ACORN BIG GUBBAMINT SEKRIT MUSLEM NIRTH SIRTIFIKIT MARXIST!!!

(sorry, I have Wingnut Tourette’s).

You could use this to infiltrate wingnut web sites, you know. That is, if you could hold back the bile; might not be worth the elevated blood pressure though.

309 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:32:07pm

re: #307 Kruk

What about the “natural born” bit?

On a serious note, I’m half wondering what will happen when someone who was concieved by IVF or pre-implantation embryo screening runs for president. Is someone really going to claim that the Founding Fathers foresaw 20th century technology and ruled it out?

Think of the posters the anti-petriers will carry at that teaparty.

310 Vambo  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 5:33:48pm

re: #218 windsagio

THE HOA episode of X-Files is still my favorite ever

garbage monster!!

I’m surprised we don’t see more sci-fi/horror stories about HOA’s.

311 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 6:12:22pm

re: #300 Kruk

.*
*Draco obviously never played Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition.

Upding for the 4e rip. Yeash…. :(

William

312 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Mar 1, 2010 7:13:05pm

This just proves how much Acorn has infiltrated every aspect of government, nothing they do is illegal. Be scared, be afraid, Acorn the boogeyman is taking over your town next! As soon as they have complete control of the U.S. they will turn us all over to be slaughtered by the Muslims while Obama sits on a golden throne and laughs as the bodies pile up.

Don’t be taken in by people who tell you that your a raving lunatic, they just don’t know what we do!

///

313 suchislife  Tue, Mar 2, 2010 2:58:00am

re: #72 cliffster

If I’m against NBA players making $20 million/year, that does not make me a racist even though the majority of the NBA is black. It means I don’t think basketball players should make that much money. Of course, I don’t actually think that, I think basketball players should bank as much as they possibly can which is a lot. But I’m just illustrating a point.

I’m much too late, as always, and not sure where I fall on the racism question (probably: plausibly mostly just partisan in intent, but racist in effect), but I felt that comparing opposition to (support of) black people voting to support of ridiculous salaries for NBA players, that’s really out there. Voting is the basic means of citizen participation, the one basic power an average citizen has to influence his/her government. Seriously, that’s just a ludicrous comparison.
And, add to that the history of America disenfranchising minorities, and the undeniably racist combination of Southern Strategy and systematic voter suppression the Gop espouses, and the charge of racism becomes far more plausible.

314 dugmartsch  Tue, Mar 2, 2010 8:50:01am

re: #27 Conservative Moonbat

No, but if you’re a member of racist organizations, help put on racist events, and try and fram ACORN for felonies, there’s a good chance you’re a racist.

Hahaha. Exactly perfect.

Like literally what more does it take? Racists don’t around with fire hoses any more. They speak in code. They hide their motivations. They work towards the same disgusting ends they always have.

315 dugmartsch  Tue, Mar 2, 2010 9:00:48am

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Exactly what part of “no criminality has been found,” are you having problems understanding? A DA cannot bring charges when they do not believe a crime has even been committed.

Come on dude. Prosecutors pass on slam dunk national media exposure felony cases all the fucking time. Get with the program.

/

316 dugmartsch  Tue, Mar 2, 2010 9:16:51am

re: #222 EmmmieG

Because our last HOA ignored us, and maintained the pool.

This is some kind of zen understanding of the modern conservative theory of government.

317 Buck  Tue, Mar 2, 2010 10:16:10am

The prosecutor Charles Hynes should have recused himself. The Working Family Party was formed by ACORN and in in 2009 Hynes ran for re-election on the Working Family Party ballot.

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 2, 2010 12:41:23pm

re: #317 Buck

The prosecutor Charles Hynes should have recused himself. The Working Family Party was formed by ACORN and in in 2009 Hynes ran for re-election on the Working Family Party ballot.

Hynes is a Democrat who ran unopposed in 2009. Working Family endorsed him, yes.


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