LGF: Crazy But Clever Conflator

The right wing blogosphere is getting weirder and weirder: Crazytown Watch: Charles Johnson Conflates Some Fringe Group With Rick Perry.

Once again, I’m accused of being “crazy” because I find groups like Repent Amarillo disturbing. But not just “crazy” — I’m also sneaky and evil because I’m “conflating” Repent Amarillo with Rick Perry. Because I hate small government, or I hate Texas, or something like that. So I’m both crazy and nefariously clever.

“Now why would he do that?” wonders Melissa Clouthier, hinting at dark ulterior motives.

It’s a head-scratcher, all right. In a post about a religious fanatic group in Texas, why in the world did I bring up the governor of Texas — who just happens to have a history of appointing religious fanatics to influential positions in the Texas government?

Clouthier continues:

Newsflash haters: Texans are doing well because they’ve clung to rugged individualism, their guns, their God, their independence, their fiscal responsibility, etc. I know it’s galling when secular humanistic states like California are going down the crap-hole. It’s tough to see small government being such a big win while big government harms the very people it’s supposed to help.

But that’s just the way things roll, guys. Good luck finding evidence that big social programs are ever a cultural, fiscal or social win. They NEVER are a win because they strip the individual of his ability to choose his own life. It is axiomatic.

And by the way, Jerry Brown has actual radical ties. Will that disqualify him to run for Governor in California? Why no! No, it won’t.

This might set a record for reading the most into an LGF post. Secular humanism, small government, big social programs, rugged individualism; these are all interesting concepts, but if they have something to do with what I wrote, I must be missing it.

And meanwhile, notice that Clouthier never gets around to saying anything at all about the “fringe group” that was the whole point of my post.

P.S. I don’t hate Texas or Texans, just for the record.

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192 comments
1 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:10:18pm

They say 'secular humanistic state' like it's a bad thing.

2 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:10:51pm

But you didn't conflate them.

Can she read?

3 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:12:48pm

Charles.....don't mess with Texas.

/sarc

4 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:12:48pm

re: #1 darthstar

Those goddamn secular humanists!

5 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:13:06pm

re: #2 Obdicut

But you didn't conflate them.

Can she read?

Bloviating doesn't appear to require the ability to read or at least comprehend what you read.

And she says this, "And by the way, Jerry Brown has actual radical ties." So now she's a fashion critic, too?

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:14:54pm

Just mentioning Rick Perry in the same post with Repent Amarillo apparently equates to conflating them. I guess.

7 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:15:23pm

Does anyone else find it funny that she's finding fault in you for [allegedly] making a false connection between a political and an extreme position.....


....and then makes a connection false between Charles and several extreme positions.

I'll give this a solid 6.5 on the hypocriticality scale.

8 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:15:33pm

re: #6 Charles

You know how it is, its an old discrediting trick >>

9 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:15:45pm
P.S. I don’t hate Texas or Texans, just for the record.

I hate the Houston Texans. Stupid fucking name for a football team. What was wrong with the Oilers? Or is that too homo-erotic for the NFL now?

But there are some Texans I absolutely love (I'm looking at you, Sandra Bullock).

10 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:16:20pm

re: #7 EastSider

Does anyone else find it funny that she's finding fault in you for [allegedly] making a false connection between a political personand an extreme position...

...and then makes a false connection between Charles and several extreme positions.

I'll give this a solid 6.5 on the hypocriticality scale.

(fixed typos)

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:16:46pm

Fuck Texas. Florida rules. As does Cannadia.
///

12 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:17:07pm

re: #9 darthstar

I hate the Houston Texans. Stupid fucking name for a football team. What was wrong with the Oilers? Or is that too homo-erotic for the NFL now?

But there are some Texans I absolutely love (I'm looking at you, Sandra Bullock).

re: #9 darthstar

I hate the Houston Texans. Stupid fucking name for a football team. What was wrong with the Oilers? Or is that too homo-erotic for the NFL now?

But there are some Texans I absolutely love (I'm looking at you, Sandra Bullock).

The Oilers moved to Tennessee. The Texas are an expansion team totally unrelated to them.

13 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:17:30pm

No surprises here, in her side bar she has "blogs Lucianne Loves" and she's a real muddle puddle of flawed logic when she tries to say "DAWKINS == TEH HITERLZ!" here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

14 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:17:57pm

(face-palm!) Some people's kids. Next thing you know Charles will mention Texas' willingness to embrace "intelligent design" and he'll be called a Godless Heathen. Oh, wait...nevermind, they've gone down that road.

15 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:18:28pm

re: #12 ArchangelMichael

The Oilers moved to Tennessee. The Texas are an expansion team totally unrelated to them.

The Titans...yes...but that freed up the "Oilers" to be used again. Maybe they can change their name to the Repentin' Armadillos.

16 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:18:31pm

re: #13 Thanos

No surprises here, in her side bar she has "blogs Lucianne Loves" and she's a real muddle puddle of flawed logic when she tries to say "DAWKINS == TEH HITERLZ!" here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

bah... Here's the link I meant

[Link: www.melissaclouthier.com...]

17 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:18:34pm

re: #5 darthstar

Image: jerry-brown.jpg

Looks pretty damn boring to me.

Wait a second-- is this the same time, like 30 years ago?

Image: 05brown2.650.jpg

They look identical.

18 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:20:35pm

She's not smart and she's not nice. But her first commenter is a back stabbing asshole.

19 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:20:49pm

re: #17 Obdicut

[Link: orangejuiceblog.com...]

Looks pretty damn boring to me.

Wait a second-- is this the same time, like 30 years ago?

[Link: graphics8.nytimes.com...]

They look identical.

The guy's frugal, I'll give him that. It's not like a tie is going to wear out.

20 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:20:51pm

If Rick Perry and Governor Moonbeam both get elected, something disturbing is going to happen to the space/time fabric. Something to do with antimatter, portals, and maybe agitated strangers demanding our dilithium crystals.

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:23:02pm

I am watching a house. 2 girls just showed up. I wouldn't touch them ever. I'll be back. Fucking morons.

22 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:23:22pm

re: #20 The Sanity Inspector

If Rick Perry and Governor Moonbeam both get elected, something disturbing is going to happen to the space/time fabric. Something to do with antimatter, portals, and maybe agitated strangers demanding our dilithium crystals.

Most people don't know where "Moonbeam" came from. Jerry Brown said he wanted California to launch its own satellite into space -- He was widely mocked and ridiculed for this suggestion, hence 'moonbeam'...today, just about everybody who has a couple million dollars to spare has their own satellite in orbit. Brown was just 20 years ahead of his time.

And his politics are anything but liberal. He's even somewhat libertarian (no new taxes unless the voters approve of them).

23 Kragar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:23:47pm

re: #13 Thanos

No surprises here, in her side bar she has "blogs Lucianne Loves" and she's a real muddle puddle of flawed logic when she tries to say "DAWKINS == TEH HITERLZ!" here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Well, how can you argue with that stunning intellectually sound arguement?

24 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:23:47pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am watching a house. 2 girls just showed up. I wouldn't touch them ever. I'll be back. Fucking morons.

There's a ton of potential 'strange, interesting mystery' in that post >>

25 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:24:24pm

re: #2 Obdicut

But you didn't conflate them.

Can she read?

Obviously she can read but her comprehension leaves a lot to be desired...

26 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:24:33pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am watching a house. 2 girls just showed up. I wouldn't touch them ever. I'll be back. Fucking morons.

If the two girls are over 18 and carrying a bottle of tequila, we'll see you tomorrow.

27 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:25:23pm

re: #26 darthstar

You wanna hear the story when he gets back (whether its in 5 minutes or tomorrow) don'tcha?

28 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:25:41pm

re: #26 darthstar

If the two girls are over 18 and carrying a bottle of tequila, we'll see you tomorrow.

Not if they are under 21 you won't!

29 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:26:05pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am watching a house. 2 girls just showed up. I wouldn't touch them ever. I'll be back. Fucking morons.

thin mints. 10 boxes. do it.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:26:14pm

re: #15 darthstar

The Titans...yes...but that freed up the "Oilers" to be used again. Maybe they can change their name to the Repentin' Armadillos.

I love armadillos. And I don't think armadillos have much to repent of. A tendency to hang out in the middle of the freeway is a terrible survival strategy, but it's not a sin.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:26:46pm

re: #19 darthstar

The guy's frugal, I'll give him that. It's not like a tie is going to wear out.

And he's been in politics since approximately the dawn of time.

32 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:27:21pm

re: #6 Charles

Just mentioning Rick Perry in the same post with Repent Amarillo apparently equates to conflating them. I guess.

I knew I shouldn't have used this $8 word "conflate" when I talked to you on the Colmes show. Lurking kooks liked the sound of it, and picked it up without bothering to learn what it means.

33 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:27:36pm

re: #29 EastSider

thin mints. 10 boxes. do it.

I love thin mints! Unfortunately my thighs love them more than I do... I'd never loose the weight! :-(

34 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:28:32pm

re: #27 windsagio

You wanna hear the story when he gets back (whether its in 5 minutes or tomorrow) don'tcha?

If it's five minutes we'll know he's Canadian.
/

35 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:29:53pm

re: #22 darthstar

Most people don't know where "Moonbeam" came from. Jerry Brown said he wanted California to launch its own satellite into space -- He was widely mocked and ridiculed for this suggestion, hence 'moonbeam'...today, just about everybody who has a couple million dollars to spare has their own satellite in orbit. Brown was just 20 years ahead of his time.

And his politics are anything but liberal. He's even somewhat libertarian (no new taxes unless the voters approve of them).

Oh yeah I remember moonbeam real well. Heaven help us if he gets back into office! I might just move to Nevada with my parents...Sorry babe!

36 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:29:54pm

Whenever I hear about teams moving I think about the Goddamn Sonics.

Then I lay me down and I cry.

37 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:30:47pm

re: #36 windsagio

Whenever I hear about teams moving I think about the Goddamn Sonics.

Then I lay me down and I cry.

they're talking about moving my islanders....this would upset me.

38 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:31:47pm

re: #37 EastSider

its not really moving your team until it was under false pretenses and the breaking of contracts!

39 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:33:39pm

Notice how Clouthier doesn't just break down the US into red and blue states. No, it's "Godly rugged individualistic" states like TX vs. "secular humanistic" states like CA.

What a crock. CA and TX are the two most diverse states in the country and certainly can't be easily labeled.

Her view of politics seems to be End Times theology grafted onto a football game between the evil forces of CA and the goodness of TX. God, of course, will be the referee.

40 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:34:35pm

re: #38 windsagio

its not really moving your team until it was under false pretenses and the breaking of contracts!

true, you guys got hosed.

41 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:35:03pm

re: #40 EastSider

Thank you :D I'll quit selfishly bitching now :P

42 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:35:04pm

re: #36 windsagio

Whenever I hear about teams moving I think about the Goddamn Sonics.

Then I lay me down and I cry.

That's why I dearly love how the Packers are owned. That can't happen.

William

43 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:35:44pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am watching a house. 2 girls just showed up. I wouldn't touch them ever. I'll be back. Fucking morons.

wait...what?

44 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:36:10pm

What is Melissa a doctor of? Is she a "doctor" like "Dr. Laura"?

45 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:36:18pm

re: #38 windsagio

its not really moving your team until it was under false pretenses and the breaking of contracts!

the Browns have never been the same...

46 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:36:57pm

You know the thing I find that is crazy is how they just love to aim their vitriol at you Charles and the LGF. Could it be they're a bit envious of the common sense they see and wish they could come up with some of their own? Seems an awful lot like a case of sour grapes to me...and like they're comprehension skills need a heck of lot of work!

47 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:37:30pm

re: #43 Aceofwhat?

wait...what?

As long as the house isn't at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, one should assume CCA is inside, and the people in question are ringing the doorbell.

48 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:38:50pm

re: #46 Dragon_Lady

You know the thing I find that is crazy is how they just love to aim their vitriol at you Charles and the LGF. Could it be they're a bit envious of the common sense they see and wish they could come up with some of their own? Seems an awful lot like a case of sour grapes to me...and like they're comprehension skills need a heck of lot of work!

Charles doesn't seem to mind. The more they attack, the more zen he seems to get about the whole thing. It's almost as if he just got out of a bad relationship, and four months down the road realized, "I dated THAT?"

49 Randy W. Weeks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:39:41pm

For the vast majority of Texans (almost 90% urban now) "rugged individualism" amounts to commuting to work in an F150.

My grandparents grew up in South Texas with no electricity or running water and my grandfather really did ride a horse to school. That's some "rugged individualism" for ya'. Damn teabaggers wouldn't have lasted a day.

50 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:39:41pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't do anything rash.

51 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:40:06pm

re: #36 windsagio

Whenever I hear about teams moving I think about the Goddamn Sonics.

Then I lay me down and I cry.

Scanning that posting quick, and I could have sworn it said Goldman Sachs...

52 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:40:15pm

Goodhair won yesterday, but it isn't all roses for him:

McLeroy, Miller upset in SBOE elections

Thomas Ratliff upset State Board of Education member Don McLeroy in a Republican primary nail-biter.

McLeroy, a dentist from Bryan, lost by about 800 votes. No Democrat has filed for the District 9 race so Ratliff will take the seat next year.

Appointed board chairman in 2007, McLeroy has been the poster-child for the board’s conservative bloc with his affable tone but strident ideology. Last year, his nomination as chairman was blocked by Democrats in the Texas Senate.

His defeat is substantial blow to the conservatives, who have largely driven the recent rewrites of curriculum standards. Ratliff, son of former Lt. Gov. Bill Ratliff, has made it clear that he will be a more moderate vote on the closely divided 15-member board.

Dallas Republican Geraldine Miller, a member of the board’s moderate faction, lost to teacher George Clayton in that primary, the Associated Press announced around 12:30 p.m. There is no Democrat contending for this seat, either.

Miller has been a fixture on the board since 1984 and the surge by Clayton was not expected.

McLeroy's fellow nutburger, Cynthia Dunbar, appears headed for a runoff.

53 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:41:24pm

re: #49 LoneStarSpur

For the vast majority of Texans (almost 90% urban now) "rugged individualism" amounts to commuting to work in an F150.


Automatic transmission and two-wheel drive, I assume.

54 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:41:48pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Goodhair won yesterday, but it isn't all roses for him:

McLeroy, Miller upset in SBOE elections

McLeroy's fellow nutburger, Cynthia Dunbar, appears headed for a runoff.

Now that is some great news, thanks

55 Vambo  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:42:39pm

I don't really understand how God & guns have anything to do with Texas' industrial/economic success?

56 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:42:58pm

re: #44 Alouette

What is Melissa a doctor of? Is she a "doctor" like "Dr. Laura"?

Mongo not know, but wasn't she or isn't associated with some aggregation site from the right?

57 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:43:33pm

re: #54 Thanos

Now that is some great news, thanks

Need a correction though. The race to succeed Dunbar is headed for a runoff, she didn't run this time.

58 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:43:35pm

re: #48 darthstar

Charles doesn't seem to mind. The more they attack, the more zen he seems to get about the whole thing. It's almost as if he just got out of a bad relationship, and four months down the road realized, "I dated THAT?"

Yeah but Charles has waaay more common sense and brains to date someone like that, even once!

59 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:45:23pm

Keep Wingnutia Weird!

60 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:47:31pm

re: #48 darthstar

I have a suspicion that he secretly likes it >>

61 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:47:59pm

re: #44 Alouette

What is Melissa a doctor of? Is she a "doctor" like "Dr. Laura"?

Chiropractic. Has a "part time practice."

62 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:48:18pm

So what do you think -- is Melissa a Young Earth Conflationist, or is she one of the hipper new and able to obfuscate easier Old Earth Conflationists?

63 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:48:34pm
Newsflash haters: Texans are doing well because they’ve clung to rugged individualism, their guns, their God, their independence, their fiscal responsibility, etc. I know it’s galling when secular humanistic states like California are going down the crap-hole. It’s tough to see small government being such a big win while big government harms the very people it’s supposed to help.

Texas is one of the largest recipients of government stimulus money. $12,351,370,000, to be exact.

64 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:48:42pm

re: #37 EastSider

they're talking about moving my islanders...this would upset me.

Twenty years ago, the battle cry around here used to be "Go Braves! And take the Falcons with you!"

65 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:49:21pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

I can't find it now, but isn't there a correlation between how conservative a district tends to be and how much net gov't money they get?

66 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:49:36pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Texas is one of the largest recipients of government stimulus money. $12,351,370,000, to be exact.

Oh snap!

67 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:49:38pm

One big difference between the Repent Amarillo kooks and Gov. Goodhair is that the kooks appear to actually believe what they are saying. The chance that Goodhair actually believes the Earth is just 6000 old, or even that it is a credible idea, is as close to zero as doesn't matter.
He and McLeroy probably laugh at creo voters over their Dr. Pepper and Chivas every night.

68 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:50:43pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Texas is one of the largest recipients of government stimulus money. $12,351,370,000, to be exact.

Wow -- 12.3 Billion buys a lot of rugged individualism I guess.

69 cliffster  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:51:16pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Keep Wingnutia Weird!

Keep Austin Weird is the original. Everyone else is borrowing it.

70 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:51:18pm

re: #65 windsagio

I can't find it now, but isn't there a correlation between how conservative a district tends to be and how much net gov't money they get?

Now that I'd like to see. More examples of those evil 'publicans taking advantage of bewildered dems?

71 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:53:32pm

re: #68 Thanos

Wow -- 12.3 Billion buys a lot of rugged individualism I guess.

"ruggedly individualized" for comfort and pleasure.

72 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:53:45pm

re: #65 windsagio

I can't find it now, but isn't there a correlation between how conservative a district tends to be and how much net gov't money they get?

I don't think so. There was a wingnut conspiracy theory about how districts that voted for Obama were getting more money. In reality more densely populated received more money because that's where the people and jobs are located. The fact that more urban areas also voted Dem is just a historical coincidence.

73 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:54:19pm

re: #68 Thanos

Wow -- 12.3 Billion buys a lot of rugged individualism I guess.

Big government!

74 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:54:23pm

re: #69 cliffster

Keep Austin Weird is the original. Everyone else is borrowing it.

Austin's a pretty cool town. They should secede from Texas, IMO.

75 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:56:12pm

re: #67 Shiplord Kirel

One big difference between the Repent Amarillo kooks and Gov. Goodhair is that the kooks appear to actually believe what they are saying. The chance that Goodhair actually believes the Earth is just 6000 old, or even that it is a credible idea, is as close to zero as doesn't matter.
He and McLeroy probably laugh at creo voters over their Dr. Pepper and Chivas every night.

Whenever I read about Texas creationists, for some reason my mind flashes to El Capitan peak in west TX. It's in the middle of a desert, but it was a tropical reef hundreds of millions of years ago, in the Ordovician period IIRC.

76 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:57:09pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Texas is one of the largest recipients of government stimulus money. $12,351,370,000, to be exact.

send it back or stfu?

77 firstinla  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:57:31pm

re: #50 Obdicut

Don't do anything rash.

Don't do anything that will give you a rash.

78 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 1:57:51pm

re: #75 The Sanity Inspector

Whenever I read about Texas creationists, for some reason my mind flashes to El Capitan peak in west TX. It's in the middle of a desert, but it was a tropical reef hundreds of millions of years ago, in the Ordovician period IIRC.

Gawd put it there to fool naive types like me.

79 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:00:44pm

Eegad!! Goodhair is an actual honest-to-Cthulhu Bilderberger! Good thing he hides it behind all that creationist camouflage.

80 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:02:29pm

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

I love armadillos. And I don't think armadillos have much to repent of. A tendency to hang out in the middle of the freeway is a terrible survival strategy, but it's not a sin.

They have the redeeming quality of being the only animal other than man to carry leprosy, making them the only tests subjects suitable for investigating that disease.

This does, however, make them a poor choice as pets.

81 fizzlogic  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:03:03pm

Typical boilerplate BS that anyone who's been educated by the EIB network would repeat by rote. Oh, and we need more tax cuts to pay for all the deficits. And cut spending, dammit!

82 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:03:21pm

re: #70 Racer X

Now that I'd like to see. More examples of those evil 'publicans taking advantage of bewildered dems?

I'll try to find it then. Too much stuff on the web these days.

83 bosforus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:10:16pm

I'm still dumbfounded by the "30% of Texans believe humans walked with dinosaurs" news story a little while back...

84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:10:52pm

re: #75 The Sanity Inspector

Whenever I read about Texas creationists, for some reason my mind flashes to El Capitan peak in west TX. It's in the middle of a desert, but it was a tropical reef hundreds of millions of years ago, in the Ordovician period IIRC.

Permian actually. I got to tour that area with my brother the geologist about 10-15 years ago.

85 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:11:49pm

re: #44 Alouette

What is Melissa a doctor of? Is she a "doctor" like "Dr. Laura"?

Even better--she's a chiropractor.

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:11:49pm

re: #56 Thanos

Mongo not know, but wasn't she or isn't associated with some aggregation site from the right?

She's at Right Wing Pundits, Pajamas Media, and Liberty Pundits. Teh Krazee is spread wide, but it is not deep.

87 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:12:57pm

re: #82 windsagio

Here's the info, they need a damn summary.

I haven't looked at the whole thing yet, but from the first 6 states, AL, AK, AZ, and AR all get more than they send in to the feds, and CA and CO both get less than they spend.

88 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:15:12pm

re: #80 SixDegrees

They have the redeeming quality of being the only animal other than man to carry leprosy, making them the only tests subjects suitable for investigating that disease.

This does, however, make them a poor choice as pets.

Or lunch!

89 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:15:26pm

re: #85 palomino

Even better--she's a chiropractor.

I utterly despise Dr. Laura. I was so happy when she announced she was no longer practicing Judaism. We have shed a scab.

90 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:16:55pm

"Al Qeada 7" lawyers names found.

"Department of Justice attorneys work around the clock to keep this country safe, and it is offensive that their patriotism is being questioned," said Justice Department Spokesman Matt Miller.

The video by the group Keep America Safe, which dubbed the seven lawyers "The Al Qaeda 7," is the latest salvo in a lengthy political battle.

For several months, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has led an effort to uncover politically-appointed lawyers within the Justice Department who have advocated for Guantanamo Bay detainees or other terror suspects.

seven.

91 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:18:05pm

re: #90 avanti

What idiocy. Does Grassley want them not represented? What the hell?

92 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:19:08pm

re: #65 windsagio

I can't find it now, but isn't there a correlation between how conservative a district tends to be and how much net gov't money they get?

Federal spending received per dollar of taxes paid
[Link: www.taxfoundation.org...]

93 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:21:04pm

Wikipedia link for the Delaware Basin. Very interesting area since the thick limestone deposits and such get you interesting terrain and cave systems as well.

Delaware Basin

My visit there was more like 20 years ago. But I still have photos about and memories of seeing some great rocks, Carlsbad Caverns, a skunk who knew how to exploit a campground's electric lights, plus a 9" long centipede who exploited the use of a outdoor water faucet to get a drink in the desert.

94 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:21:37pm

Further:

Positive: CN, DE, GA, IL, IN, MA, MI, MN, NV, NH, NJ, NY, OH, OR, TX, WA, WI.

Negative: FL, HI, ID, IO, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MO, MT, NB, NM, NC, ND, OK, PN, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, VT, VA, WV, WY.

So in general, and by state, theres a reasonable, but not perfect correlation. Its worth noting that Texas does give slightly more than it takes >>

95 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:21:45pm

re: #91 Obdicut

What idiocy. Does Grassley want them not represented? What the hell?

How does wanting to know who they are translate into meaning he (Grassley) doesn't want them (the suspects) represented?

96 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:22:07pm

re: #91 Obdicut

What idiocy. Does Grassley want them not represented? What the hell?

Perhaps he needs to reread the Constitutions.

97 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:22:27pm

re: #96 avanti

Perhaps he needs to reread the Constitutions.

that "s" intentional?

98 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:22:44pm

re: #96 avanti

Perhaps he needs to reread the Constitutions.

Which ones??

//

99 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:24:07pm

WhoA... Freak wave

[Link: www.google.com...]

100 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:26:30pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

So what is the point of his 'investigation'? These lawyers are being called "The AL Queda 7". That is fucking reprehensible as hell.

101 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:26:37pm

OT:

Obama says:

"At stake right now is not just our ability to solve this problem, but our ability to solve any problem," President Barack Obama said Wednesday.

(Obama said that regarding a vote on "health care reform.")

True sir, but in more ways than you think. As long as we have only the current two major parties, who fight like kindergardeners — "Does not play well with others" — gets written on their report cards, then no solutions to any real problems, Yooooou Betcha!

Instead, try the

Modern Whig Party

102 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:26:58pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

How does wanting to know who they are translate into meaning he (Grassley) doesn't want them (the suspects) represented?

So he wants the names so he can praise them for defending bad guys as per the law of the land ?

103 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:27:21pm

re: #92 ShaunP

Thanks, but now I'm annoyed, all that work scanning that damn PDF for nothing.

I wish I could find district-level tho', states are too diverse to count.

104 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:28:05pm

re: #97 EastSider

that "s" intentional?

No a typo, I only am familiar with the one.

105 Kragar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:28:54pm

Never a dull day.

"We think we've identified why we keep failing security scans."
"Because the patch management solution is know to have flaws, the documentation for mitigation is sketchy at best and the Compliance team is understaffed and undertrained?"
"No, the scanners keep saying we failed. We need to see whats wrong with them."

*facepalm*

106 dugmartsch  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:28:58pm

re: #39 palomino

Notice how Clouthier doesn't just break down the US into red and blue states. No, it's "Godly rugged individualistic" states like TX vs. "secular humanistic" states like CA.

What a crock. CA and TX are the two most diverse states in the country and certainly can't be easily labeled.

Her view of politics seems to be End Times theology grafted onto a football game between the evil forces of CA and the goodness of TX. God, of course, will be the referee.

Gold will be sitting this one out, as he always does.

107 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:29:22pm

re: #104 avanti

should have bluffed it out and said "I meant perhaps he needs to read the National and State constitutions"!!!

108 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:30:35pm

re: #106 dugmartsch

Gold will be sitting this one out, as he always does.

Especially since the CA vs. TX matchup exists only in Clouthier's mind. But I wouldn't want to be the one to tell her that.

109 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:31:46pm

re: #92 ShaunP

Federal spending received per dollar of taxes paid
[Link: www.taxfoundation.org...]

WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1!

/Proud New Mexican

110 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:32:16pm

re: #101 Ojoe

OT:

Obama says:

(Obama said that regarding a vote on "health care reform.")

True sir, but in more ways than you think. As long as we have only the current two major parties, who fight like kindergardeners — "Does not play well with others" — gets written on their report cards, then no solutions to any real problems, Yooou Betcha!

Instead, try the

Modern Whig Party

Well we live in a world where "not playing well" leads to your direct political benefit. We need to uncouple obstructionism from political success.

111 Kragar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:32:20pm

re: #108 palomino

Especially since the CA vs. TX matchup exists only in Clouthier's mind. But I wouldn't want to be the one to tell her that.

OK, my mom is from Texas, my dad is from CT and I was born and raised in CA. I wonder how I fit in to this epic battle.

112 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:32:56pm

re: #100 Obdicut

So what is the point of his 'investigation'? These lawyers are being called "The AL Queda 7". That is fucking reprehensible as hell.

Lets seperate the two things

A) Grassley isn't calling them "The Al Q 7", a far right wing group has

B) Grassley (and others) have asked for the names of the GOVERNMENT lawyers to be used. I beleive this is not unprecedented and perfectly normal. How would you like to be prosecutor without knowing who your counterpart is?

113 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:33:36pm

re: #102 avanti

So he wants the names so he can praise them for defending bad guys as per the law of the land ?

getagrip and see #112

114 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:33:43pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

I like hte idea that the people of RI work very carefully to hold it exactly even >>

115 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:33:49pm

re: #108 palomino

And what happens when this epic battle forces the Governator to reveal his true cyborg self?

"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, remorse or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."

- Kyle Reese

116 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:33:59pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK, my mom is from Texas, my dad is from CT and I was born and raised in CA. I wonder how I fit in to this epic battle.

You owe a LOT more in taxes than you thought!!

117 Kragar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:35:29pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

You owe a LOT more in taxes than you thought!!

Plead da fif.

118 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:35:53pm

re: #114 windsagio

I like hte idea that the people of RI work very carefully to hold it exactly even >>

We used to joke around here that we are the richest state in the tri-state area. The other two states are Chihuahua and Sonora. It may still be true, but it is no longer funny.

119 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:35:55pm

re: #107 windsagio

should have bluffed it out and said "I meant perhaps he needs to read the National and State constitutions"!!!

as well as My Pet Goat!
/

120 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:36:13pm

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

PleadDrink da fif.

121 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:36:16pm

re: #110 EastSider

Voting Whig & for neither a Democrat nor a Republican will decouple the obstructionists from office.

It needs to happen.

You can join the Modern Whig Party on their web site.

Modern Whig Party

BBL

122 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:37:15pm

re: #6 Charles

I posted over there and quoted the salient part about teh crazies. So far' it's still there.

123 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:38:46pm

"And meanwhile, notice that Clouthier never gets around to saying anything at all about the “fringe group” that was the whole point of my post."

She does the bob and weave in response to RWC question about why she didn't mention the RA or that it was the main topic of that thread.

"Rightwingconspirator,

I’m sure this group is evil. But that wasn’t the point of Charles’ post. His point was to discredit Perry and Texas by extrapolating from said evil.

My point was to call him on his stupid, lame-ass point."

Can you say Epic FAIL

124 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:41:12pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Lets seperate the two things

A) Grassley isn't calling them "The Al Q 7", a far right wing group has

B) Grassley (and others) have asked for the names of the GOVERNMENT lawyers to be used. I beleive this is not unprecedented and perfectly normal. How would you like to be prosecutor without knowing who your counterpart is?

At least we agree Lez Chaney is far right. She came up with the name.

125 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:41:59pm

re: #91 Obdicut

What idiocy. Does Grassley want them not represented? What the hell?

No I think his questions are more about the justice department lawyers than the defendant's lawyers and who is where in the big revolving door. But like the guy in the story said, all he had to do was search on Google to figure out who the appointees were.
.

126 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:42:37pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

You don't have the facts of the story right.

Have a look at this:

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

127 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:42:51pm

re: #121 Ojoe

How is their California wing coming along?

128 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:43:03pm

re: #124 avanti

Tell me that was a typo.

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:44:42pm

I don't know why God hates me, but he seems too.

130 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:46:05pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK, my mom is from Texas, my dad is from CT and I was born and raised in CA. I wonder how I fit in to this epic battle.

Depends on whether you've renounced the evil forces of CT/CA secularism, and embraced TX-style theocracy .

131 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:46:08pm

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know why God hates me, but he seems too.

Another New York Jets fan? We have jackets, you know.

132 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:46:10pm

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

You alright man? You didn't get extrajudicial, did you?

133 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:46:27pm

re: #124 avanti

At least we agree Lez Chaney is far right. SheThe group she's associated with came up with the name.

ftfy,,,we have no evidence if "she" did, but it is sure her group did, as I stated

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:47:16pm

re: #131 EastSider

Another New York Jets fan? We have jackets, you know.

I ain't that bad.
//

135 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:47:46pm

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know why God hates me, but he seems too.

What up?

136 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:48:13pm

re: #128 Obdicut

Tell me that was a typo.

Here's the web site for her organizationLiz..

137 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:48:48pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

"And meanwhile, notice that Clouthier never gets around to saying anything at all about the “fringe group” that was the whole point of my post."

She does the bob and weave in response to RWC question about why she didn't mention the RA or that it was the main topic of that thread.

"Rightwingconspirator,

I’m sure this group is evil. But that wasn’t the point of Charles’ post. His point was to discredit Perry and Texas by extrapolating from said evil.

My point was to call him on his stupid, lame-ass point."

Can you say Epic FAIL

Clouthier got a track-back from RS McCain. She's also in his gallery of photos from CPAC. That's the level at which she resides. More blogs than brains. It amazes me how far one can get with so little mental acuity.

138 garhighway  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:49:39pm

re: #126 Obdicut

You don't have the facts of the story right.

Have a look at this:

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

Anyone who supports an effort to stigmatize lawyers for representing unpopular clients does not understand the fundamentals of our justice system.

Those who, like Grassley, understand that and do it anyway, are slimeballs.

139 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:49:52pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

ftfy,,,we have no evidence if "she" did, but it is sure her group did, as I stated

So you are implying that she did approve of the headline on the web site of her organization ?

140 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:50:36pm

re: #126 Obdicut

You don't have the facts of the story right.

Have a look at this:

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

I do have the "facts" Where does it say that
A) Grassley called the lawyers the Gitmo 9
B) He doesn't want the detainees represented

he does ask that the lawyers be named!

From your link

Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa is rightly unhappy that the Justice Department won’t divulge the names of the nine Justice Department lawyers who directly represented suspected-terrorist detainees, or their cases

141 lostlakehiker  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:50:41pm

To be fair, Repent Amarillo has no record of car bombings, suicide bombings, beheadings, etc. The analogy between Repent Amarillo and the real Taliban is thin.

Repent Amarillo does not govern Texas. It doesn't govern Amarillo. It's an unrepresentative fringe group with, at a guess, 100 members, in a modest town in a remote corner of Texas.

It's your forum, Charles, and it must seem important to you, but ahm fum Texas and hain't niver even heerd of em til naowuh.

I hope, and more than half expect, that they'll never make the national news. I'm pretty certain that there won't be any actual killings ever laid at their door. Nor arson. And if I'm wrong, these words will come back to me and I'll have to eat them.

142 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:50:59pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

Clouthier got a track-back from RS McCain. She's also in his gallery of photos from CPAC. That's the level at which she resides. More blogs than brains. It amazes me how far one can get with so little mental acuity.

I'm not sure she's really gotten that far. She apparently hasn't quit her day job as a chiropractor. And many of her posts attract exactly zero comments.

143 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:52:30pm

re: #137 wrenchwenchre: #123 Bubblehead II

I thought my comment would be deleted. Well, that's something anyway.

144 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:52:30pm

re: #139 avanti

So you are implying that she did approve of the headline on the web site of her organization ?

OH ,, LOOK ,, SHINEY THINGS

Yoy started out by saying Grassley called them the Gitmo 9 AND didn't want the detainees represented. Now you're on to Liz Cheney!!

cool ,,, when does it come around to Kevin Bacon !?!?!

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:52:52pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

Did you read the link? There's nothing secret about it. It's on her wikipage.

146 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:53:04pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

No, I mean who the laywers are. This part:

There’s absolutely nothing “hidden” about this; it’s a pure smear job. Daskal, a former Human Rights Watch attorney, is so committed to hiding her representation of Guantanamo detainees that it’s on her Wikipedia page. And Katyal, the deputy solicitor general whom even this Washington Times bottom-feeder has to concede is a talented attorney, very publicly represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan and took his case to the Supreme Court, which promptly struck down the first phase of the military commissions. There is not a shred of a legitimate issue here, just pure innuendo.

147 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:53:40pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

I do have the "facts" Where does it say that
A) Grassley called the lawyers the Gitmo 9
B) He doesn't want the detainees represented

he does ask that the lawyers be named!

From your link

Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa is rightly unhappy that the Justice Department won’t divulge the names of the nine Justice Department lawyers who directly represented suspected-terrorist detainees, or their cases

We should see how Liz feels on the issue shortly, perhaps she'll distance herself from this sort of crap/:

"Make sure to watch @KeepAmericaSafe's own Liz Cheney on The O'Reilly Factor tonight on Fox News."

148 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:54:03pm

re: #142 palomino

I'm not sure she's really gotten that far. She apparently hasn't quit her day job as a chiropractor. And many of her posts attract exactly zero comments.

You're right. Just because one appears in various places on the internet does not mean one is seen or read. Or paid.

149 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:54:24pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

re: #146 Obdicut

And again, Avanti original was to say that Grassley called them the Gitmo 9 (he didn't ) and doesn't want the detainees represented (he didn;'t) He wanted the lawyers named ( and now they are,, before ,, not so much)

150 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:55:19pm

re: #91 Obdicut

Liz Cheney et. al. have really been going all out to paint the attorneys as enemies of the US. Yesterday in the blogosphere there was quite a bit about this.

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:55:47pm

re: #135 SixDegrees

What up?

I have lost my patience, I guess. I'll BBL. I can't argue politics right about now.

152 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:56:15pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

OH ,, LOOK ,, SHINEY THINGS

Yoy started out by saying Grassley called them the Gitmo 9 AND didn't want the detainees represented. Now you're on to Liz Cheney!!

cool ,,, when does it come around to Kevin Bacon !?!?!

I only mentioned Liz because you claimed it was a far right smear, and she's pretty mainstream now and pushing the issue.

153 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:56:17pm

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

argh, can you tell us about the 2 girls and the Tequila before you go?

154 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:56:29pm

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have lost my patience, I guess. I'll BBL. I can't argue politics right about now.


take a breather and be well ,,

155 EastSider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:56:40pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

I do have the "facts" Where does it say that
A) Grassley called the lawyers the Gitmo 9
B) He doesn't want the detainees represented

he does ask that the lawyers be named!

From your link

Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa is rightly unhappy that the Justice Department won’t divulge the names of the nine Justice Department lawyers who directly represented suspected-terrorist detainees, or their cases

I would like them to be named.

But not because I think they're eeeevil, but because I want to believe that we live in a society where upholding the constitution and representing an evil person isn't going to risk your personal safety.

156 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:57:42pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

What do you mean they weren't named before, when one of them represented a case at the Supreme Court level?

157 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:58:17pm

re: #155 EastSider

I would like them to be named.

But not because I think they're eeevil, but because I want to believe that we live in a society where upholding the constitution and representing an evil person isn't going to risk your personal safety.

And thats all Grassley (et al) had asked for

As stated, if I were the prosecutor in ANY case I would want to know who my counterparts on the defense team are

158 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:58:57pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

re: #146 Obdicut

And again, Avanti original was to say that Grassley called them the Gitmo 9 (he didn't ) and doesn't want the detainees represented (he didn;'t) He wanted the lawyers named ( and now they are,, before ,, not so much)

No, I posted a link to liz's web site where she (or the site) called them the Al Qeada 7.

159 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 2:59:56pm

re: #156 Obdicut

What do you mean they weren't named before, when one of them represented a case at the Supreme Court level?

A CASE ,,,, not THIS case ,, geeezz!

MANY lawyers have represented "A" case in many courts,,, does that mean we know who is going to represented the next one,, or the one after that ,,, or ,,,,

Gggeeez , this isn't tough!

160 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:02:03pm

re: #158 avanti

No, I posted a link to liz's web site where she (or the site) called them the Al Qeada 7.

No ,, you implicated Grassley as using the Gitmo 9 term
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Al Qeada 7" lawyers names found.
For several months, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has led an effort to uncover politically-appointed lawyers

161 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:02:04pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

So, what do you think of this ad?

162 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:02:37pm

re: #159 sattv4u2

No, they represented one of the detainees at the Supreme Court level.

Are you under the impression these lawyers are current advocates for the detainees?

163 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:03:10pm

Not all of the appointees mentioned were simply criminal defense lawyers just out to make a buck. Jennifer Daskal spent years at Human Rights Watch criticizing every aspect of GWB's war on terror. An advocate with a very slanted take on things if you read through the many links at HRW about her. Ha. She whined that Bush should shut down Gitmo and she whined when some of the inmate that we let go back home to Algeria promptly disappeared into the prison system there.

“The United States will not solve the Guantanamo problem by sending detainees from one unfair system to another,” Daskal said. “Washington should demand that Algeria comply with its own laws..

Good luck with that.

164 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:03:28pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

He wanted the lawyers named ( and now they are,, before ,, not so much)


That's not true.It was on Wikipedia and other places.

165 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:03:30pm

re: #141 lostlakehiker

The parallel Charles is emphasizing, I think, is the injection of religious fundamentalism into everything--from govt. to public schools to private social activities. And the implied violence in the name of righteousness that is a big part of Repent's rhetoric. (just check out their site)

It's true that they haven't blown anybody up yet. But should we wait until they do to criticize them?

166 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:04:34pm

What's really the shit about this is that Grassley is one of the the dimshits who failed to create enabling legislation for trying Gitmo detainees all the way up until right before the '06 elections. The legislation finally got enacted by the lump on the log congress after five years of war on terror. That legislation was flawed, and got struck down. Grassley slacked for five years after the start of the war on terror, then gave a half assed effort, and here we are 3.5 years later without any terrorists tried and he's flapping his fricking gums...

What an idiot.

167 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:06:00pm

Exclusive: RNC document mocks donors, plays on 'fear'

The Republican National Committee plans to raise money this election cycle through an aggressive campaign capitalizing on “fear” of President Barack Obama and a promise to "save the country from trending toward socialism."

The strategy was detailed in a confidential party fundraising presentation, obtained by POLITICO, which also outlines how “ego-driven” wealthy donors can be tapped with offers of access and “tchochkes.”

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

This is also on the front page of DKos right now. It's really jaw-dropping just how craven these people are being.

168 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:08:09pm

re: #163 Mich-again

Then maybe this line of inquiry should be about Daskal alone, and not some "Seven" or "Nine" that sounds like something from a HUAC hearing.

169 garhighway  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:08:34pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

And thats all Grassley (et al) had asked for

As stated, if I were the prosecutor in ANY case I would want to know who my counterparts on the defense team are

If you were the prosecutor you WOULD know who your counterparts were. Routinely.

That isn't what this is about. This is about stigmatizing lawyers who (usually pro bono) defended intensely unpopular defendants. "Defended", past tense. This is about making short-term political hay out of a lawyer upholding some of the finest traditions of our legal system.

Grassley is beneath contempt, as is anyone who sympathizes with or defends his conduct.

170 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:10:33pm

re: #169 garhighway

This is about stigmatizing lawyers ...

Which is why I posted that video. To use the label "Al Qaeda 7" is about as stigmatizing as one could get in contemporary American culture.

171 palomino  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:10:50pm

re: #169 garhighway

Absolutely, this is a cheap smear job taking advantage of leftover raw emotion from 9/11.

Grassley, like most politicians, isn't above this.

172 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:12:35pm

re: #161 freetoken

So, what do you think of this ad?

[Video]

Was Grassely involved with it ,, because thats what the discussion was about!

173 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:13:27pm

re: #169 garhighway

Grassley is beneath contempt, as is anyone who sympathizes with or defends his conduct

bite me for the gratuitous shot

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:13:39pm

re: #167 Conservative Moonbat

Exclusive: RNC document mocks donors, plays on 'fear'

This is also on the front page of DKos right now. It's really jaw-dropping just how craven these people are being.

If I were in charge of fundraising for the GOP I'd suggest the same thing. The Republican base is terrified by conspiracies from Fox News and conservative blogs. Fear is the most powerful thing they have and it's easier than coming up with ideas.

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:14:06pm

A Politico article showing an RNC slideshow is linked above. Can you spell synisisum?

176 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:15:14pm

Doctor Melissa Clouthier? OK, I checked the medical board listing in Texas, California and Michigan. No such listing for a licensed doctor by that name. She's a chiropractor and calls herself an "alternative medicine doc" in her Facebook page. No where are her credentials or medical experience even noted. She probably has a PhD in literature and just calls herself a doctor. The State of Texas doesn't give chiropractors physician status.

177 badger1970  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:15:52pm

re: #141 lostlakehiker

My most blissfully ignorant parents in WI have heard of them. They're not that internet literate and I suspect they caught it from national news.

178 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:16:20pm

Off topic: NYT today has a piece in the educational support section titled: Let’s Talk About It: Discussing the Science and Politics of Global Warming that I find disturbing.

The writers have, perhaps without realizing, internalized the TEACH THE CONTROVERSY method of DI and the Wedge Document. The writers have unfortunately fallen prey to a very modern, or perhaps better labeled, post-modern approach to science and education that may not be obvious at first glance, but lies there deep under the surface.

179 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:16:32pm

Regarding the lawyers. Couldn't the claim of conflict of interest be brought up if any of these 9 defended some of these people and are now tasked with prosecuting them in a Federal Court of Law?

I am assuming of course that if any of them had defended one of the accused that they A. Wouldn't be assigned to prosecute them and that B. If they were, they would recuse themselves from the case.

But then again, you know what they say about assuming.

180 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:16:41pm

Charles wins by several seconds. See new topic.

181 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:17:07pm

re: #15 darthstar

The Titans...yes...but that freed up the "Oilers" to be used again. Maybe they can change their name to the Repentin' Armadillos.

Bud Adams owns the Oilers name and logo...

182 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:20:31pm

re: #167 Conservative Moonbat

Is it really more craven than the Bush=Hitler talking points when the tables were turned a few years ago? Craven? yes! "Also craven" I believe is more accurate.

One other slightly tangent point re Texas politics - Perry may be more panderer than wingnut, to the degree it makes a difference. His secessionist talk, his coziness with that wingnut pastor Hagee, and his total comfort with creationist interests get beaucoup votes. He may just not care, he may shrug his shoulders and say 'maybe'. He may not give it a minute's deep thought. More likely, he's just dishonest enough to flirt with all these groups in exchange for power. He DID get 2 things right of immediate importance - he strengthened Amendment #2, and the mandatory HPV virus vaccine will save many lives. He went against the wingnuts to make it mandatory for girls, when the family values crowd was in full whargarble mode. Apparently cancer vaccines turn girls into whores? who knew?

183 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:21:05pm

re: #127 Rightwingconspirator

About 175 members

184 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:55:01pm

This has happened to me a lot...from people on both the left and the right. They can't seem to comprehend that somebody who disagrees with them on a few issues is not necessarily their polar opposite in EVERYTHING, so you suddenly find them regurgitating every right-vs.-left (or left-vs.-right) talking point there is, while you're sitting there scratching your head wondering what they're saying has to do with the issue at hand.

This is what happens when you base your opinions in ideology rather than reason. You assume that if a person does not share every single one of your views, they must hold a completely different ideology and worldview. Reasonable people, of course, understand that they can disagree on certain matters while holding common views on a broad range of issues.

185 Plato  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:09:22pm

I don't know much about those texas guys but before we compare them to those other extremist groups shouldn't we compare if they conduct honor killings or behead people?

We give the benefit of the doubt to those guys who emailed silly things that others use to discredit man made global warming. They were just guys horsing around.

Maybe these Texas people are just good ole boys playing with photoshop.

re: #141 lostlakehiker

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:24:53pm

re: #141 lostlakehiker


To be fair, Repent Amarillo has no record of car bombings, suicide bombings, beheadings, etc. The analogy between Repent Amarillo and the real Taliban is thin.

But for the law. The Taliban did what they did because they had the full backing of their laws. They were the law.

re: #185 Plato

I don't know much about those texas guys but before we compare them to those other extremist groups shouldn't we compare if they conduct honor killings or behead people?

Again, but for the law. The dominionists would be no better than the Taliban or any other oppressive, murderous theocracy if they were the ones in charge of the laws of our land. Since our laws do not favor their twisted ideology, you do not hear as many stories about stoning gays, adulterers, and non-christians to death here as you do of those who violate similar religious laws in Sharia controlled theocracies.

187 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:32:54pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

If I were in charge of fundraising for the GOP I'd suggest the same thing. The Republican base is terrified by conspiracies from Fox News and conservative blogs. Fear is the most powerful thing they have and it's easier than coming up with ideas.

It works for the fundie churches.

188 Plato  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:48:02pm

We're on the same page. As long as they don't break the law, they're like you and me. It's just talk.

In deference to Charles, talk is descriptive and to keep our eyes open is important. But actions speak louder than words.

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

189 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:52:13pm

re: #185 Plato

I don't know much about those texas guys but before we compare them to those other extremist groups shouldn't we compare if they conduct honor killings or behead people?

We give the benefit of the doubt to those guys who emailed silly things that others use to discredit man made global warming. They were just guys horsing around.

Maybe these Texas people are just good ole boys playing with photoshop.

The only reason groups like this are not committing violence is because it's against the law in this country. If they didn't have laws to restrain them, I have absolutely no doubt they would be just as capable of atrocities as the Taliban.

190 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:01:11pm

Ignore this video if it's been posted, (Saturday night live crew and more do a spoof on the last 5 POTUS's)

link...

191 Plato  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:13:24pm

re: #190 avanti
Dan Akroyd was a terrible Jimmy Carter. But so was Jimmy Carter.

192 jaunte  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:06:19pm
Texans are doing well because they’ve clung to rugged individualism, their guns, their God, their independence, their fiscal responsibility...


Clouthier was part right, but only in a glancing way. And there was that whole missing-out-on-the-housing-bubble-because-not-that-many-people-enjoy-the-climate-here thing, too.


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