Confidential RNC Document Outlines Strategy of Fear Mongering

Good. Grief.

Exclusive: RNC document mocks donors, plays on ‘fear’.

The Republican National Committee plans to raise money this election cycle through an aggressive campaign capitalizing on “fear” of President Barack Obama and a promise to “save the country from trending toward socialism.”

The strategy was detailed in a confidential party fundraising presentation, obtained by POLITICO, which also outlines how “ego-driven” wealthy donors can be tapped with offers of access and “tchochkes.”

The presentation was delivered by RNC Finance Director Rob Bickhart to top donors and fundraisers at a party retreat in Boca Grande, Florida on February 18, a source at the gathering said.

In neat PowerPoint pages, it lifts the curtain on the often-cynical terms of political marketing, displaying an air of disdain for the party’s donors that is usually confined to the barroom conversations of political operatives.

The presentation explains the Republican fundraising in simple terms.

“What can you sell when you do not have the White House, the House, or the Senate…?” it asks. The answer: “Save the country from trending toward Socialism!”

Manipulating donors with crude caricatures and playing on their fears is hardly unique to Republicans or to the RNC – Democrats raised millions off George W. Bush in similar terms – but rarely is it practiced in such cartoonish terms.

One page, headed “The Evil Empire,” pictures Obama as the Joker from Batman, while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leaders Harry Reid are depicted as Cruella DeVille and Scooby Doo, respectively.

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297 comments
1 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:14:26pm

Shouldn't that be "strategery of fear mongering"?

2 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:14:57pm

Imo, this really started with the '94 election cycle. They've been on a downhill track ever since.

3 Soap_Man  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:18:12pm

Political parties have worked this way since, well, forever. But this is the first time I have seen it put in such cynical terms in a nice, neat little powerpoint presentation.

Epic FAIL. No other way to put it. The RNC is a joke.

Personally, I can't wait for the spin on this bad boy. Should be fun.

4 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:18:16pm

I've got to learn to type faster.

5 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:19:00pm

you really need to see the slides to get the full effect

6 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:19:03pm

Well, I was getting kind of bored with my avatar... and now that everybody and his cat are using the sunburst-rays as backgrounds I fear some may take my avatar as somehow being derivative...

Yet, it appears as if I will need to keep that avatar a while longer.

7 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:19:52pm

Reminds me of Rove being quoted at a Republican fund raiser of "riding that horse" the threat of terrorism, through the then coming mid term elections

8 Soap_Man  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:20:55pm

re: #3 Soap_Man

Political parties have worked this way since, well, forever. But this is the first time I have seen it put in such cynical terms in a nice, neat little powerpoint presentation.

Epic FAIL. No other way to put it. The RNC is a joke.

Personally, I can't wait for the spin on this bad boy. Should be fun.

To add to this, I think it is pretty terrible to openly admit that you use fear to motivate donors. However, what is more despicable, is to openly refer to the opposing political party as EVIL. That goes so far past the line of respectable political discourse. This whole thing is shameful.

9 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:21:02pm

Scooby Doo is not evil!

What the hell.

10 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:21:05pm

saw this coming from a mile away
when you don't have a platform to run on you try to sell fear.
The GOP has frittered the last year away on wing nut non sense,now they gotta hope for a hail mary win in november.

11 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:21:25pm

re: #7 prairiefire

Reminds me of Rove being quoted at a Republican fund raiser of "riding that horse" the threat of terrorism, through the then coming mid term elections

They are still trying to ride that horse, only they are replacing Osama with Obama....

/arrrggggg

12 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:21:28pm

This one is really craven:

Image: 100303_slide5.jpg

13 researchok  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:21:54pm

Democrats want you to believe they are better people. Republicans want you to believe they have better ideas.

None of them want to deal with the truth and that's why we're in the toilet.

14 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:22:11pm

About Robert "Rob" Rickert:

SNIP

...Finance Chairman of Senator Santorum's successful re-election effort...

SNIP

Today, Bickhart serves as Executive Director of Senator Santorum's leadership political action committee, America's Foundation, a federally registered political action committee dedicated to recruiting, training, and funding candidates for federal offices whose efforts are representative of a compassionate approach to conservative policies...

SNIP

Looks like he's a foot solder for the creationist ultra-square Santorum brigade. Been seeing Santorum's name a lot recently. It's part of the regressive nature of the current GOP.

15 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:22:40pm

Everything the RNC lacks in brains, they make up in Operational Security.

16 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:22:55pm

The Evil Empire:

Image: 100303_slide7.jpg

17 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #14 Gus 802

About Robert "Rob" Rickert Bickhart:

Looks like he's a foot solder for the creationist ultra-square Santorum brigade. Been seeing Santorum's name a lot recently. It's part of the regressive nature of the current GOP.

Bickhart... PIMF

18 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:24:20pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Everything the RNC lacks in brains, they make up in Operational Security.

Watergate

19 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:24:47pm

Meh, I'm not seeing anything unusual here, except that it leaked. You are looking too closely at the sausage. Just put more mustard on it and eat.

20 sandbox  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:25:23pm

Hey, I'm a member of the RNC of the Scott Brown--Chris Christie variety.

21 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:26:03pm

re: #20 sandbox

Hey, I'm a member of the RNC of the Scott Brown--Chris Christie variety.

You have my deepest sympathy--for real.

22 avanti  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:26:18pm

Charles has been warning that the crazy was being mainstreamed, this proves it's happened. The GOP, Beck, Rush and the rest will try to scare the crap out of the voters and it might just work.

23 Soap_Man  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:26:50pm

re: #19 keloyd

Meh, I'm not seeing anything unusual here, except that it leaked. You are looking too closely at the sausage. Just put more mustard on it and eat.

You have got to be kidding me. This is politics at it's most disgusting level.

FYI, I'm not a Democrat.

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25 GOPninja  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:28:11pm

lol this is almost as epic as that "healthcare reform" plan they release a while back, that had a bunch of words inside bubbles connected by lines.

26 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:29:02pm

re: #25 GOPninja

lol this is almost as epic as that "healthcare reform" plan they release a while back, that had a bunch of words inside bubbles connected by lines.

They have to stick to things that will fit on Beck's blackboard...

27 Soap_Man  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:29:06pm

re: #24 Ojoe

I'm taking the third party option more seriously every single day...

28 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:29:17pm
In neat PowerPoint pages, it lifts the curtain on the often-cynical terms of political marketing, displaying an air of disdain for the party’s donors that is usually confined to the barroom conversations of political operatives.

The presentation explains the Republican fundraising in simple terms.

“What can you sell when you do not have the White House, the House, or the Senate…?” it asks. The answer: “Save the country from trending toward Socialism!”

Manipulating donors with crude caricatures and playing on their fears is hardly unique to Republicans or to the RNC – Democrats raised millions off George W. Bush in similar terms – but rarely is it practiced in such cartoonish terms.


They might be mocking donors but I don't see it. The Republican base is excited by cartoonish antics of Glenn Beck and consider it serious news. Serious discussion of ideas or simple pandering of buzzwords probably won't open those wallets as much as Death Panels and socialist fascism.

29 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:29:21pm

Some of you never tuned into Air America. It had the crazy turned up to 11 the whole half hour I listened. "Scare the crap out of voters" is the job of any faction out of power. That and "don't leak memos!" It's why government should generally be too weak and impotent to make any real mischief.

30 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:29:27pm

re: #24 Ojoe

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31 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:30:43pm

re: #27 Soap_Man

I joined the Modern Whigs.

I think it's viable.

The Republicans way back when were a 3rd party.

Not that they are the same anymore as when Lincoln was alive.

32 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:30:45pm

re: #23 Soap_Man

Disgusting? Yes! Unusual? nah. We just get to see it more with the internet than we did when the tables were turned.

33 Soap_Man  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:03pm

re: #29 keloyd

Some of you never tuned into Air America. It had the crazy turned up to 11 the whole half hour I listened. "Scare the crap out of voters" is the job of any faction out of power. That and "don't leak memos!" It's why government should generally be too weak and impotent to make any real mischief.

That was a radio station. This is the fucking RNC!

34 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:06pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I concur. These committee members are not mocking donors, but simply accepting that they have to make use of the culture in which they are embedded.

35 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:07pm

re: #29 keloyd

....And we mocked the crazy leftist anti-American rhetoric and conspiracies here on LGF. Why would we stop when Republicans are going crazy?

36 checked08  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:20pm

Reid looks like Scooby-Doo? I don't see it. Or he gets a treat after he actually does something? Wow

37 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:31pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

They might be mocking donors but I don't see it. The Republican base is excited by cartoonish antics of Glenn Beck and consider it serious news. Serious discussion of ideas or simple pandering of buzzwords probably won't open those wallets as much as Death Panels and socialist fascism.

I think donors would still object to being portrayed as they are here.

38 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:39pm

re: #19 keloyd

Meh, I'm not seeing anything unusual here, except that it leaked. You are looking too closely at the sausage. Just put more mustard on it and eat.

I can only agree. Demonizing your opposition isn't exactly a ground-breaking new strategy in politics. I see little difference between this and the strategy in the last election cycle of continuing to run against Bush - a strategy still being employed to this day in various arenas.

Assuming there's any validity to it in the first place, of course. I'll give this a couple of days before even going that far.

39 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:31:39pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Zell Miller was nostalgic for that time ...

40 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:32:06pm

re: #19 keloyd

Meh, I'm not seeing anything unusual here, except that it leaked. You are looking too closely at the sausage. Just put more mustard on it and eat.

You must put a lot of mustard on Pat Buchanan.

41 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:33:00pm

re: #22 avanti

The parallels to the DNC fear mongering about GWB is striking. This has been outed earlier, but it seems on par. As I see, again, we have an ugly partisan moment, that was match ed by the other side very, very recently. Apart from bluntness, this is business as its done at the level.

Disgusting.

42 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:33:22pm

re: #36 checked08

Reid looks like Scooby-Doo? I don't see it. Or he gets a treat after he actually does something? Wow

Maybe the republicans would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids (and their dog too).

43 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:33:22pm

According to some (*cough*stacy mccain *cough*) you are the fear monger, Charles.

44 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:33:41pm

re: #33 Soap_Man

That was a radio station. This is the fucking RNC!

Hmm. That is a good point. It's just like Kiky Freidman almost said, they aren't making Republicans like Buckley any more.

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:35:25pm
The 72-page document was provided to POLITICO by a Democrat, who said a hard copy had been left in the hotel hosting the $2,500-a-head retreat, the Gasparilla Inn & Club.

Maybe they should have spent $5.00 on security. Or private janitorial services.

46 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:35:51pm

BBL

47 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:36:09pm

i didn't need the DNC to feel fearful of George W. Bush. iraq had no post war plan and was an awful mess.

48 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:37:47pm
49 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:37:59pm

re: #38 SixDegrees


Assuming there's any validity to it in the first place, of course. I'll give this a couple of days before even going that far.

The RNC has admitted it's real.

“The document was used for a fundraising presentation Chairman Steele did not attend, nor had he seen the document,” RNC Communications Director Doug Heye said in an email. “Fundraising documents are often controversial.

“Obviously, the Chairman disagrees with the language and finds the use of such imagery to be unacceptable. It will not be used by the Republican National Committee – in any capacity – in the future,” Heye said.

50 sandbox  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:39:44pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Why? I'm a social moderate, strong on national defense and fighting terrorism, and tired of high taxes and endless government spending. So I had to leave the Democratic Party. What party should I join?

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:40:08pm

With the fall of the Soviet Union, someone else just had to take on the moniker "Evil Empire". I mean, why let such a galvanizing moniker go to waste?

I'm just tickled pink that gov't of my country has decided to become the new "Evil Empire". Tickled. Fuckin. Pink. I say.
///

52 Bubblehead II  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:41:03pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

According to some (*cough*stacy mccain *cough*) you are the fear monger, Charles.

Well of course he is. He (Charles) is pointing out and high lighting the craziness and idiocy of the right wing nutjobs, therefore generating fear in said people that those who put forth such trash will be exposed and ridiculed. Therefore he is a fear monger.

/why did this just make my brain hurt?

53 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:42:14pm

re: #47 prairiefire

i didn't need the DNC to feel fearful of George W. Bush. iraq had no post war plan and was an awful mess.

The intellectual drain on the Republican party caused both W to be our nominee and the extra whargarbl in those leaks. Now the snake is eating its own tail. We've been too eager to pander and take short cuts for decades now instead of build coalitions based on libertarianism, smart capitalism, free trade, and small federal gubment. Every Republican pol has had the choice of LEADING or just saying some juicy things about librulls to get quick votes and has chosen poorly. The Southern Strategy worked, but this time, not so much.

54 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:43:46pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

With the fall of the Soviet Union, someone else just had to take on the moniker "Evil Empire". I mean, why let such a galvanizing moniker go to waste?

I'm just tickled pink that gov't of my country has decided to become the new "Evil Empire". Tickled. Fuckin. Pink. I say.
///

Communist fear mongering. It's the New Coke. Now available at the official GOP website.

It's obvious by now that the Communist or Soviet symbolism isn't even related to the remaining Communist superpower China.

55 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:43:57pm

re: #47 prairiefire

ummm most wars have no real post-war plan.It's kinda make it up as you go.(there are variables that cannot be taken into acct.)

56 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:44:52pm

re: #50 sandbox

Why? I'm a social moderate, strong on national defense and fighting terrorism, and tired of high taxes and endless government spending. So I had to leave the Democratic Party. What party should I join?

No. My sympathy is for the brush you are painted with, and (I suspect) your growing sense of isolation. I would welcome an opposition led by Crists and Browns, for when we Dems inevitably falter.

57 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:45:45pm

re: #53 keloyd

exactly the price paid for going with the path of least resistance.

58 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:45:58pm

re: #48 MikeySDCA

OT: Guess who's running for CA Gov? Frederic Prinz von Anhalt, a truly rococo cad.

Man sounds like a prince.

59 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:46:08pm

re: #40 Gus 802

You must put a lot of mustard on Pat Buchanan.

Buchanan sweats A-1 Steak Sauce, the source of all his charm.

60 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:48:20pm

Kind of on topic:

Wyoming gov. signs law adopting 'cowboy ethics'

The principles of "cowboy ethics" are now part of Wyoming law.

Gov. Dave Freudenthal signed legislation Wednesday adopting an official Wyoming state code.

The symbolic measure spells out 10 ethics derived from a "Code of the West" outlined in a book by author and retired Wall Street investor James Owen.

The ethics code carries no criminal penalties and is not meant to replace any civil codes.

The state code admonishes residents and lawmakers to live courageously, take pride in their work, finish what they start, do what's necessary, be tough but fair, keep promises, ride for the brand, talk less and say more, remember that some things aren't for sale, and know where to draw the line.

"Ride for the brand"?

61 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:49:41pm

re: #60 freetoken

Thats just freakin' insane.

62 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:50:28pm

re: #60 freetoken

Kind of on topic:

Wyoming gov. signs law adopting 'cowboy ethics'

[Video]

In other words, another stupid law that doesn't really DO anything.

63 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:50:59pm

re: #60 freetoken

oh and number 11:drunken rampages through the cow-towns just to let off some steam...(spend all your money on whiskey,poker and hookers)

64 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:51:09pm

re: #62 Racer X

It also costs nothing!

Best kinda law, imo. (no, not really, just silly posturing)

65 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:51:14pm

re: #60 freetoken

Kind of on topic:

Wyoming gov. signs law adopting 'cowboy ethics'

"Ride for the brand"?


[Video]


"it might not be the right way, but it's the cowboy way"
Red Knuckles

66 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:51:51pm

re: #62 Racer X

It wasted the peoples time and money,what else is the state legeslature for?

67 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:52:22pm

re: #47 prairiefire

That there was "no plan" is simply untrue, and oversimplifies. I would suggest you read "Fiasco" which details all that went wrong with the plan.

68 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:53:58pm

re: #61 windsagio

How so?

69 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:54:56pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator


I shouldn't have used 'insane', how about

That's just freakin' cynically posturing.
70 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:55:40pm

re: #67 Rightwingconspirator

I was remembering a post where I stated Iraq didn't have a war plan and you told me that there was no post war plan. Fiasco does have a lot of details, from what snippets I have read.

71 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:55:56pm

re: #60 freetoken

Kind of on topic:

Wyoming gov. signs law adopting 'cowboy ethics'

"Ride for the brand"?


[Video]

Not sure what your video is - it isn't playing or doing much of anything for me - but "ride for the brand" is an old saying, common in the West, meaning that you owe your loyalty to the ranch (or other employer) you're taking pay from. At least, that's the origin; it's pretty easy to see the wider interpretations that get lent to it. I have no doubt it resonates in Wyoming.

There's probably lots more history on it available through a web search.

72 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:56:06pm

re: #60 freetoken

The new Wyoming Republican Ethics Handbook:


[Link: www.amazon.com...]

73 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:57:30pm

re: #61 windsagio

Thats just freakin' insane.

re: #69 windsagio

I shouldn't have used 'insane', how about

you're really not much fun...ever been to Wyoming, other than just to pass through?

74 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:59:00pm

Also:

Aren't those cowboy creed things just totally common sense?

75 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:59:49pm

re: #71 SixDegrees

Not sure what your video is - it isn't playing or doing much of anything for me - but "ride for the brand" is an old saying, common in the West, meaning that you owe your loyalty to the ranch (or other employer) you're taking pay from. At least, that's the origin; it's pretty easy to see the wider interpretations that get lent to it. I have no doubt it resonates in Wyoming.

There's probably lots more history on it available through a web search.

Wyoming is the Cowboy State...they are very proud of their tough, independent, heritage....I see no problem with them riffin on the Cowboy Code

76 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 3:59:55pm

re: #73 albusteve

I spent a few weeks in Yellowstone, that count?

77 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:02:30pm

Cowboy ethics-
The state code admonishes residents and lawmakers to live courageously, take pride in their work, finish what they start, do what's necessary, be tough but fair, keep promises, ride for the brand, talk less and say more, remember that some things aren't for sale, and know where to draw the line.

I'll take that over the beltway boys sheer lack of any ethics at all.

78 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:03:25pm

re: #76 windsagio

I spent a few weeks in Yellowstone, that count?

Depends. The people who live there are very different from the people who vacation there.

My sister used to spend about half the year there, working as a cook for a fly fishing school, so whenever we visited, we hung with the locals. We also spent a lot of time exploring the park. Two entirely different worlds.

I like them both. I wouldn't mind retiring to Wyoming.

79 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:04:14pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Its still meaningless posturing.

Its the WY governor and legislature saying "HEY LOOK HOW COOL AND ETHICAL WE ARE!"

80 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:04:19pm

re: #74 Obdicut

Also:

Aren't those cowboy creed things just totally common sense?

share your coffee, your chow and your camp with any traveler...do your job regardless of the weather, sleep on the ground without complaint, work your ass off and never, ever bad mouth a woman....that sort of thing

81 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:04:30pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

I take people proclaiming they have ethics as a general tendency that they don't, though.

It's pretty easy to pass a bill saying you'll be ethical. I prefer actually seeing ethical actions. And nothing there is in any way different from sheer common sense.

Except for "ride for the brand", which has dubious applicability in most circumstances. If you find out your employer is doing something criminal, do you 'ride for the brand' and protect him?

82 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:04:55pm

re: #78 SixDegrees

I couldn't live away from the water. Literally cannot imagine not living between Blaine and Arcata.

83 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:04:58pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Cowboy ethics-
The state code admonishes residents and lawmakers to live courageously, take pride in their work, finish what they start, do what's necessary, be tough but fair, keep promises, ride for the brand, talk less and say more, remember that some things aren't for sale, and know where to draw the line.

I'll take that over the beltway boys sheer lack of any ethics at all.

I'm in

84 Bubblehead II  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:05:52pm

Well it is now 5:00 P.M. MST

Never seen a bottle cap took off with a CD/DVD disk.

And yes, It is my Saturday.

85 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:06:13pm

re: #79 windsagio

Its still meaningless posturing.

Its the WY governor and legislature saying "HEY LOOK HOW COOL AND ETHICAL WE ARE!"

really a shame you feel that way....I'd guess you don't travel or get out much

86 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:06:39pm

re: #85 albusteve

Mmmhmm...

87 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:07:36pm

re: #81 Obdicut

I take people proclaiming they have ethics as a general tendency that they don't, though.

It's pretty easy to pass a bill saying you'll be ethical. I prefer actually seeing ethical actions. And nothing there is in any way different from sheer common sense.

Except for "ride for the brand", which has dubious applicability in most circumstances. If you find out your employer is doing something criminal, do you 'ride for the brand' and protect him?

yah, there is always some suspicious person with a negative vibe...you're it

88 Bubblehead II  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:07:47pm

And the BH II rule goes into effect. Night all.

L8R

89 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:08:23pm

re: #81 Obdicut

Oh hell, I misunderstood. They passed this bill to tell the citizens of their state this was what they need to live up to? It's not even for them, themselves?

That's even weirder.

Didn't some state just change their motto recently to "Live Life Like You Mean It"? Wisconsin?

Everyone's rebranding.

90 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:08:50pm

re: #87 albusteve

Irony, you ride a proud horse.

91 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:09:29pm

re: #89 Obdicut

Everyone's rebranding.


I guess that is ok as long as you are willing to ride for your re-brand.

92 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:09:51pm

re: #91 freetoken

I guess that is ok as long as you are willing to ride for your re-brand.

*rimshot*!

93 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:12:46pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Irony, you ride a proud horse.

you try to over think everything....you think you see things that aren't there...Wyoming is having a little fun with their identity and you have to stiff them on it...I'l bet you're the life of the party...next you're gonna take some cheap shot at me...pffft!

94 sandbox  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:13:05pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

The USA is a two party country--unlike parliamentary forms of gov't in EU. So both parties have to be big-tent.

95 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:13:33pm

re: #93 albusteve

next you're gonna take some cheap shot at me...pffft!

Well, what are you doing, Steve?

96 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:16:29pm

There is a major showdown brewing in the hair wars, with former Houston mayor Bill White, who is as bald as a plastic spoon, winning the Dem gubernatorial primary. He will face Rick "Goodhair" Perry in the general.

97 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:17:31pm

re: #95 Obdicut

Well, what are you doing, Steve?

I'm telling you what I see...it's not a cheap shot....westerners are good people by and large, the rural population that is...it can be a tough life out here and through it all they have a fine sense of honor, honesty and humor...let me show you the NM outback and you'll see for yourself what I mean...Wyoming is just having some fun

98 tizzy Liz  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:17:38pm

“tchochkes.”? In my neck of the woods “tchochkes.” is Yiddish slang for "a little something you can touch", usually a girl.

99 webevintage  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:18:03pm

RNC for all your fear, access and tchochkes needs.


I wonder what kind of "tchochkes" (is it spelled wrong in the memo) you get if you give the big bucks?

100 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:18:16pm

re: #97 albusteve

Romanticization alert!

101 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:18:33pm

“tchochkes”

Eeew! Sounds dirty, like something a high-end hooker might do------- but only in return for a large bonus.

102 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:18:35pm

re: #97 albusteve

Or to put it another way, believe it or not, people are pretty much the same all over.

103 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:18:59pm

re: #97 albusteve

You excuse your own behavior pretty easily, Steve.

104 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:19:01pm

re: #100 windsagio

Romanticization alert!

too bad for you...you have no clue

105 webevintage  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:19:28pm

re: #98 tizzy Liz

“tchochkes.”? In my neck of the woods “tchochkes.” is Yiddish slang for "a little something you can touch", usually a girl.

I always think of nick-nacs like Hummel statues and Wisconsin cheese hats.

106 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:20:47pm

re: #103 Obdicut

You excuse your own behavior pretty easily, Steve.

what behavior?...I resent you putting down Wyoming for their fun...what's with you?...do you ever get out?....why would you say such bullshit about them?

107 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:20:58pm

My opinion of Starbucks just rose quite a bit.

Starbucks shares rose a penny to $23.34 in midday trading Wednesday

How are you-all this evening?

108 tizzy Liz  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:21:50pm

Re: #105 webevintage
talk to some old Jewish guys from Brooklyn, they'll tell you what it means...
and start laughing

109 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:21:53pm

I've unraveled another aspect of the Texas GOP strategy: Goodhair Perry and the leadership need creationists on the SBOE to sabotage the educational system. Otherwise, there won't be enough stupid people to keep voting for them.

110 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:23:04pm

re: #102 windsagio

Or to put it another way, believe it or not, people are pretty much the same all over.

depends how you look at it...if you want you can still see many regional difference in attitude about all kinds of stuff...I presume that's all over your head from what you post....to say that everybody is alike, coast to coast is a broad generalization, pretty much without meaning....argue on

111 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:23:26pm

re: #106 albusteve

what behavior?

Stuff like asking me if I ever get out, Steve.

I'm not mocking Wyoming. I'm mocking lawmakers passing a bill with a code of ethics that's completely common sense except where it's a little weird. I don't look to lawmakers to guide my ethics. Do you?

112 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:23:32pm

re: #81 Obdicut

"Ride for the brand". What makes you think they had crooked corporations in mind?

113 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:24:35pm

re: #110 albusteve

leaving your love of insult aside,

"Pretty much the same" is slightly different than "Robot Clone Army".

114 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:24:45pm

re: #112 Rightwingconspirator

I don't. I'm asking what the ethics of "Ride for the brand" would say in that circumstance. Can you point to an ethical stance in that list that would guide someone, aside from "Ride for the brand"?

115 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:25:52pm

re: #114 Obdicut

I don't. I'm asking what the ethics of "Ride for the brand" would say in that circumstance. Can you point to an ethical stance in that list that would guide someone, aside from "Ride for the brand"?

Perhaps it means something like, take care of Your cattle? Keep your side of the street clean? Keep focus . . . . .

116 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:25:54pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Stuff like asking me if I ever get out, Steve.

I'm not mocking Wyoming. I'm mocking lawmakers passing a bill with a code of ethics that's completely common sense except where it's a little weird. I don't look to lawmakers to guide my ethics. Do you?

all bullshit...do you get out?...where have you been or lived or spent time?....you make to much of the lawmakers...if you feel they are weird, then by all means don't visit Wyoming and get to know anybody there

117 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:27:01pm

Their last slide, entitled RNC v. FEC is telling... "Immediate appeal to the Supreme Court" In other words, they know they're going to get called on breaking the law, but they figure they can go to the SCOTUS and get through the election before any real shit hits the fan.

118 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:27:18pm

re: #115 ggt

Perhaps it means something like, take care of Your cattle? Keep your side of the street clean? Keep focus . . .

take care of your own, never leave a man (or steer) behind . . .

I can think of all kinds of meanings that have very little to do with corporations.

119 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:27:44pm

re: #113 windsagio

leaving your love of insult aside,

"Pretty much the same" is slightly different than "Robot Clone Army".

insult?...always the victim....why not call it a vicious attack on your character or some dramatic thing....yu insult a whole friggin state, or don't you think so?

120 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:27:59pm

re: #97 albusteve

Well said. Left and right, gay and straight are not the only culture clashes. Urban and Rural. That's what we see here. "Cityslickers" and "Rednecks" view one another with suspicion. Too bad.

121 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:28:37pm

re: #115 ggt

It's meaning is well-known. It means that if you're being paid by someone, you should treat their property as your own, do everything you can to protect it, etc. It suited a time and a place when you had face-to-face meetings with the guy hiring you. It has a lot less applicability to a modern corporate atmosphere. And it's kind of just amusing for any of us that deal with 'brands' on a daily basis.

re: #116 albusteve

I'm going to stop talking to you now, since you're just being nasty.

123 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:28:49pm

re: #118 ggt

"shoot whatever sheep herder your boss tells you to...."
/

124 sandbox  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:29:35pm

re: #122 Racer X

me too.

125 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:29:50pm

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

I'm from the country, by the way. My nearest neighbors were farms when I grew up. I never actually thought I'd wind up living in a city. And I dearly love that in San Francisco I can escape up to the ranches in the north at a moment's notice.

Assumptions are not the best things to make.

126 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:30:08pm

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Isn't that an awful lot of projection? You don't know really anything about the people who find this law silly, except perhaps where they currently live.

127 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:30:16pm

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Well said. Left and right, gay and straight are not the only culture clashes. Urban and Rural. That's what we see here. "Cityslickers" and "Rednecks" view one another with suspicion. Too bad.

Well actully I am one slicker that is hoping & praying there are still enough "rednecks" around to save our butts...

128 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:30:28pm
129 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:30:39pm

re: #121 Obdicut

It's meaning is well-known. It means that if you're being paid by someone, you should treat their property as your own, do everything you can to protect it, etc. It suited a time and a place when you had face-to-face meetings with the guy hiring you. It has a lot less applicability to a modern corporate atmosphere. And it's kind of just amusing for any of us that deal with 'brands' on a daily basis.

re: #116 albusteve

I'm going to stop talking to you now, since you're just being nasty.

I don't know Obdicut. I know that in every corporate structure I've worked in, those who "ride for the brand" tend to have better careers. Perhaps it has morphed a bit for the times, but if enough people treat the companies property like it is your own and keep profits in mind, everyone will have a job.

130 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:31:23pm

re: #121 Obdicut

It's meaning is well-known. It means that if you're being paid by someone, you should treat their property as your own, do everything you can to protect it, etc. It suited a time and a place when you had face-to-face meetings with the guy hiring you. It has a lot less applicability to a modern corporate atmosphere. And it's kind of just amusing for any of us that deal with 'brands' on a daily basis.

re: #116 albusteve

I'm going to stop talking to you now, since you're just being nasty.

I'm sticking up for my friends in Wyoming....if that's nasty, then so be it....don't slam my friends...and get out more, it will do your soul a lot of good to see all parts of America and not just your own back yard

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:31:49pm

California senator arrested for DUI

California Highway Patrol Lt. Jay Bart says Sen. Roy Ashburn was spotted driving erratically about 2:10 a.m. Wednesday in downtown Sacramento.

He was arrested after a sobriety test and was taken to Sacramento County Jail, where he was given a blood-alcohol test. He then was booked and released.

132 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:31:53pm

re: #122 Racer X

Hehe... the oligarchs who make their millions/billions off of gambling addicts and whoring are upset at President Obama.

You'd think James Dobson & Co. would be happy at the downturn in Vegas business, no?

133 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:32:18pm

re: #127 brookly red

Its a false dichotomy, and a romanticization of rural America.

Its hardly a new idea, but that doesn't make it any more correct.

134 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:32:20pm

re: #129 ggt

I don't know Obdicut. I know that in every corporate structure I've worked in, those who "ride for the brand" tend to have better careers. Perhaps it has morphed a bit for the times, but if enough people treat the companies property like it is your own and keep profits in mind, everyone will have a job.

in advertising brand rides you...

135 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:32:35pm

re: #114 Obdicut

do what's necessary, be tough but fair, keep promises,

Do whats necessary- Call out the crooked. Be tough but fair- Crooked corporate actions would violate a sense of fairness. Keep promises-Self explanatory.

I do not understand your immediate suspicion. It's a gesture of pride in their pioneer history.

136 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:33:43pm

re: #132 freetoken

Hehe... the oligarchs who make their millions/billions off of gambling addicts and whoring are upset at President Obama.

You'd think James Dobson & Co. would be happy at the downturn in Vegas business, no?

Yep. Sin City hates Obama. Weird huh?

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:33:44pm

re: #127 brookly red

Well actully I am one slicker that is hoping & praying there are still enough "rednecks" around to save our butts...

I am one city slicker that doesn't need anyone, redneck or otherwise, to save my butt. I will happily attend barbecues, though.

138 tizzy Liz  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:33:57pm

Re: #129 gtt
You have to be joking, I have been laid off 3 times in the last 15 years... corporations don't give a crap about anything but the bottom line

139 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:34:09pm

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

I can't speak for obdi, but maybe its a cynicism about politicians? It strikes me as a reasonable idea. That pride is eminently marketable, if you can attach it to your brand.

140 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:34:27pm

re: #97 albusteve

While I realize you do not watch the karma here, I still wish I could give you more than one for that post.

141 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:34:37pm

re: #129 ggt

Perhaps it has morphed a bit for the times, but if enough people treat the companies property like it is your own and keep profits in mind, everyone will have a job.

Companies these days do not display the loyalty to employees that the old ranchers did to their hands. If we want a resurrection of good employer-employee loyalty, it's a two-way street.

I don't care if someone uses "ride for the brand" as what motivates them to get through their workday and do a good job. That's fine. I like that. I do think it's absurd for lawmakers to declare a list of oversimplified ethics and tell the residents of the state that this is what they should live up to.

And I don't understand why people who are normally against empty speeches, hollow rhetoric, and government waste being gung-ho about this.

It is not the place of government to declare what anyone's ethics should be. It's one thing Obama does far too often, in my view.

142 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:35:25pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

I am one city slicker that doesn't need anyone, redneck or otherwise, to save my butt. I will happily attend barbecues, though.

I was speaking politically :)

143 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:35:53pm

re: #133 windsagio

Its a false dichotomy, and a romanticization of rural America.

Its hardly a new idea, but that doesn't make it any more correct.

I don't think you know what you're saying...just flowery words

144 Fart Knocker  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:36:14pm

re: #138 tizzy Liz

Re: #129 gtt
You have to be joking, I have been laid off 3 times in the last 15 years... corporations don't give a crap about anything but the bottom line

Maybe you could too! Less likely to be laid off that way...

145 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:36:30pm

re: #136 Racer X

I just like the irony of it all. Here is the professional manipulator, Limbaugh, who markets himself to the RR crowd, pimping for one of the biggest gambling hustlers in the world.

146 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:36:32pm

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

"Do what is necessary" is therefore a catch-all for all real ethical behavior, so why would you need any more than that one slogan?

As I said: I'm not sure why people are suddenly all excited about politicians lecturing their citizens on ethics. It's kind of bizarre. Maybe I'm just in a weird mood, so I'm going to go do something else for awhile.

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:37:17pm

re: #142 brookly red

I was speaking politically :)

Ah, I don't always catch the sarcasm.

148 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:37:18pm

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

do what's necessary, be tough but fair, keep promises,

Do whats necessary- Call out the crooked. Be tough but fair- Crooked corporate actions would violate a sense of fairness. Keep promises-Self explanatory.

I do not understand your immediate suspicion. It's a gesture of pride in their pioneer history.

they don't get it...always looking for trouble

149 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:38:14pm

re: #138 tizzy Liz

Re: #129 gtt
You have to be joking, I have been laid off 3 times in the last 15 years... corporations don't give a crap about anything but the bottom line

mom & pop will lay your butt off just as quick if their numbers go south... of course you won't get the package, but hey...

150 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:38:40pm

re: #139 windsagio
We have lost our societal peer pressure for ethical behavior. Which is a big damn loss. One easy example-Divorce and consenting adults laws have lowered the pressure to keep marital promises, as in don't cheat on your spouse. Don't break that promise. But that ethic has fallen from fashion. A shame.

151 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:38:45pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Cowboy ethics-
The state code admonishes residents and lawmakers to live courageously, take pride in their work, finish what they start, do what's necessary, be tough but fair, keep promises, ride for the brand, talk less and say more, remember that some things aren't for sale, and know where to draw the line.

I'll take that over the beltway boys sheer lack of any ethics at all.

They forgot the part about keeping their powder dry, and how what happens on Brokeback Mountain should really stay on Brokeback Mountain.

152 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:39:16pm

re: #146 Obdicut

"Do what is necessary" is therefore a catch-all for all real ethical behavior, so why would you need any more than that one slogan?

As I said: I'm not sure why people are suddenly all excited about politicians lecturing their citizens on ethics. It's kind of bizarre. Maybe I'm just in a weird mood, so I'm going to go do something else for awhile.

It's all about unicorns and lollipops --make meeeee feel good and I'll vote for you crap.

153 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:39:47pm

re: #146 Obdicut

"
As I said: I'm not sure why people are suddenly all excited about politicians lecturing their citizens on ethics.


That's not strange to me, but I was taught sex education by nuns. (Love using that...)

154 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:40:12pm

re: #146 Obdicut

"Do what is necessary" is therefore a catch-all for all real ethical behavior, so why would you need any more than that one slogan?

As I said: I'm not sure why people are suddenly all excited about politicians lecturing their citizens on ethics. It's kind of bizarre. Maybe I'm just in a weird mood, so I'm going to go do something else for awhile.

it's not a lecture...it's whimsical legislation, it's jest, in fun...sorta like making some bird a State Bird or whatever

155 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:40:40pm

re: #145 freetoken

I just like the irony of it all. Here is the professional manipulator, Limbaugh, who markets himself to the RR crowd, pimping for one of the biggest gambling hustlers in the world.

I ignored what Rush had to say. I found what Steve Wynn had to say much more interesting. It was quite telling, and spot on what I think is wrong with Obama's tactics. His offhand disparaging remark about Vegas has had severe repercussions on the economy there. Devastating.

Rookie mistake.

156 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:41:47pm

re: #152 ggt

It's all about unicorns and lollipops --make meee feel good and I'll vote for you crap.

pathetic...really

157 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:41:48pm

re: #146 Obdicut

Maybe, just maybe they are excited to see them advocated at all apart from church. I am.

158 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:42:05pm

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

We have lost our societal peer pressure for ethical behavior. Which is a big damn loss. One easy example-Divorce and consenting adults laws have lowered the pressure to keep marital promises, as in don't cheat on your spouse. Don't break that promise. But that ethic has fallen from fashion. A shame.

Every generation has thought that morals have gone to hell since 'the before times'. This generation is no different.

The problem I have with them is still the same. Even if you're absolutely right that we need ethical renewal (for lack of a better term), that bill was still cynical posturing.

159 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:42:44pm

re: #146 Obdicut

"Do what is necessary" is therefore a catch-all for all real ethical behavior, so why would you need any more than that one slogan?

As I said: I'm not sure why people are suddenly all excited about politicians lecturing their citizens on ethics. It's kind of bizarre. Maybe I'm just in a weird mood, so I'm going to go do something else for awhile.

/I guess the excitemet comes from the fact that with today's technology we catch em quicker :)

(and Mr. Rangel this Buds for you!)

160 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:43:03pm

Off to the commute, later Lizards!

Obdicut, you are a good Lizard.
Consider giving this the benefit of the doubt.

161 Bob Levin  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:43:12pm

So I guess the slogan "Better ideas for health care, better ideas for the economy" didn't test well in focus groups. Uh huh.

Oh wait, we're not hearing better ideas for health care, better ideas for the economy. At least we're not hearing them above the hysterics.

162 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:43:27pm

At first glance, the RNC seems to be telling me that there are dangerous people in our midsts, people in government trying to destroy everything that makes us great, or whatever. The RNC is right about one thing, there are dangerous people in our midsts. People with poisoned ideologies and mental delusions, as Charles has pointed out (what seems like ad nauseaum these days), are working to dismantle a great many of things that make us great, or whatever.

163 Bagua  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:43:36pm

re: #155 Racer X

I ignored what Rush had to say. I found what Steve Wynn had to say much more interesting. It was quite telling, and spot on what I think is wrong with Obama's tactics. His offhand disparaging remark about Vegas has had severe repercussions on the economy there. Devastating.

Rookie mistake.

Absolutely, and yet it is impossible to critisice the President without being accused of ODS.

Which means we also have a class of Pro-Obama derangement syndrome.

164 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:44:00pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

California senator arrested for DUI

It's okay...he's a Republican.

165 tizzy Liz  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:44:16pm

Re: 138
The last job I was laid off from, I worked overtime I was never paid for, gave 110 percent and I was replaced by a younger person who is paid 1/2 my salary and none of my benefits. Corporations don't care, all that counts is the bottom line.

and mom and pop have a more vested interested in keeping good people.

166 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:44:16pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

That's not strange to me, but I was taught sex education by nuns. (Love using that...)

// just cause they was wearing habbits don't make em nuns... right Elliot?

167 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:44:55pm

re: #158 windsagio

Every generation has thought that morals have gone to hell since 'the before times'. This generation is no different.

The problem I have with them is still the same. Even if you're absolutely right that we need ethical renewal (for lack of a better term), that bill was still cynical posturing.

typical lib...can't have any fun...the is no joy in Libland!...cynical posturing?, that statement simply proves you know nothing about Wyoming folks....keep digging....maybe you can construe them into thought police

168 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:45:10pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

They forgot the part about keeping their powder dry, and how what happens on Brokeback Mountain should really stay on Brokeback Mountain.

It's about time! ;)

Yeah, here's the punch line for fans of this Cowboy Ethics gig. Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal of Wyoming is a Democrat and Wyoming is set to be the first state to start taxing wind energy. Yep, cowboys.

169 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:45:42pm

re: #164 darthstar

It's okay...he's a Republican.

Maybe to you, but not to me. Drunk drivers need to be punished.

170 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:45:58pm

The following seems like it will be pregnant with ... something or other:

Palin writing second book

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will write another book, her publisher announced Wednesday.

The new book will “reflect on the key values—both national and spiritual—that have been such a profound part of her life and which continue to inform her vision of the future,” according to HarperCollins.


Cato will not have to worry for a lack of targets.

171 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:46:11pm

re: #168 Gus 802

It's about time! ;)

Yeah, here's the punch line for fans of this Cowboy Ethics gig. Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal of Wyoming is a Democrat and Wyoming is set to be the first state to start taxing wind energy. Yep, cowboys.

so much for "air is free"...

172 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:46:24pm

re: #166 brookly red

// just cause they was wearing habbits don't make em nuns... right Elliot?

Fake nuns movie with Eric Idle?

173 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:46:34pm

re: #169 Racer X

Maybe to you, but not to me. Drunk drivers need to be punished.

Agreed...I didn't think it needed a sarc tag.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:46:37pm
175 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:47:19pm

re: #171 brookly red

so much for "air is free"...

I guess once it starts moving and drives a generator that creates energy we can tax it! Yeah, if Wyoming does this the others will surely follow.

176 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:47:53pm

re: #114 Obdicut

I don't. I'm asking what the ethics of "Ride for the brand" would say in that circumstance. Can you point to an ethical stance in that list that would guide someone, aside from "Ride for the brand"?

It means that if someone like this guy takes your stapler that you should in fact not set the building on fire.

177 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #166 brookly red

// just cause they was wearing habbits don't make em nuns... right Elliot?

"Never trust a priest with a boner. And definitely never trust a nun with a boner."

178 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:48:01pm

re: #170 freetoken

The following seems like it will be pregnant with ... something or other:

Palin writing second book

Cato will not have to worry for a lack of targets.

Going Roguer?

179 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:48:35pm

re: #164 darthstar

It's okay...he's a Republican.

Chappa, err Chapperq... err Chappaquid... whatever.

180 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:48:40pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Teh Kuntinooing Deth Spyral of Murikun Sosyitty.

"View Infomercial"

LMAO!

181 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:48:42pm

re: #164 darthstar

It's okay...he's a Republican.

always the partisan angle....so predictable....so how's Charlie the Tuna doing these days?....I hear they swiped his gavel!...wow. I'm impressed

182 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:48:45pm

I am SO TIRED of Sarah Palin.

183 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:49:23pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

It means that if someone like this guy takes your stapler that you should in fact not set the building on fire.

Milton...

184 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:49:29pm

re: #168 Gus 802

It's about time! ;)

Yeah, here's the punch line for fans of this Cowboy Ethics gig. Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal of Wyoming is a Democrat and Wyoming is set to be the first state to start taxing wind energy. Yep, cowboys.

heh...good catch

185 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:49:59pm

re: #179 brookly red

Chappa, err Chapperq... err Chappaquid... whatever.

Ted's dead now. You can stop using him as an example.

186 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:50:16pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Fake nuns movie with Eric Idle?


//what's that, another ACORN bust??

187 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:50:18pm

re: #182 ggt

apparently she's not tired of us yet....sigh...

188 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:50:19pm

re: #155 Racer X

Obama's offhand disparaging remarks about Las Vegas have been effective against Las Vegas? Seriously? I thought it was the 8 million jobs loss.

189 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:50:21pm

re: #184 albusteve

heh...good catch


So, they are taxing the income from wind energy?

190 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:51:05pm

re: #184 albusteve

heh...good catch

Yeah, something for everyone. Was looking over the Cowboy Ethics website. I have to admit I like the secular nature of it.

191 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:51:19pm

re: #185 darthstar

Ted's dead now. You can stop using him as an example.

TEDDY LIVES!....PASS IT FOR TED!

192 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:51:32pm

re: #181 albusteve

always the partisan angle...so predictable...so how's Charlie the Tuna doing these days?...I hear they swiped his gavel!...wow. I'm impressed

He's just taking a hiatus. A little time off. And if he's dirty, I hope he gets forced into retirement.

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:51:32pm

re: #188 prairiefire

Bush's Obama's fault.
/

194 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #188 prairiefire

Obama's offhand disparaging remarks about Las Vegas have been effective against Las Vegas? Seriously? I thought it was the 8 million jobs loss.

Listen to what Steve Wynn says about corporations having their conventions in Vegas.

195 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:52:10pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

Bush's Obama's fault.
/

My my house, we blame everything on the Cat.

Although, not in his hearing range.

196 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:52:10pm

re: #182 ggt

I am SO TIRED of Sarah Palin.

Well, unfortunately for you then, it sounds like this will be her theocratic manifesto to outline her Presidential run. Rather than a "Dreams of My Father", expect a "Visions of My Evangelist".

197 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:52:10pm

re: #186 brookly red

//what's that, another ACORN bust??

I've got a pop culture gap here--who's Elliot?

198 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:52:49pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

I've got a pop culture gap here--who's Elliot?

The dragon in Pete's Dragon?

199 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:53:04pm

re: #185 darthstar

Ted's dead now. You can stop using him as an example.

there is no statute of limitations on hypocrisy

200 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:53:21pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

Bush's Obama's fault.
/

Carter's Reagan's Bush's Clinton's Bush's Obama's fault.

Next!

/

201 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:53:23pm

re: #192 darthstar

He's just taking a hiatus. A little time off. And if he's dirty, I hope he gets forced into retirement.

IF?....maybe BO will do him a favor like he did Bill Richardson and call off the dogs....hahaha!...fuckin mobsters

202 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:53:59pm

Steve Wynn was on fire! And abso-fucking-lutely correct.

203 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:54:01pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

I've got a pop culture gap here--who's Elliot?

Spitzer...

204 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:54:07pm

re: #194 Racer X

Listen to what Steve Wynn says about corporations having their conventions in Vegas.

nobody wants to hear it....BO is golden

205 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:54:48pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Carter's Reagan's Bush's Clinton's Bush's Obama's fault.

Next!

/


// Palins"s fault!

(sorry cato)

206 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:55:01pm

What Wynn is doing is called "scapegoating".

207 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:55:32pm

re: #203 brookly red

Spitzer...

Ah!! I'll rebuild the thread. Almost went with the dragon.

208 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:55:56pm

re: #202 TheMatrix31

Steve Wynn was on fire! And abso-fucking-lutely correct.

I thought so.

209 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:56:05pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Carter's Reagan's Bush's Clinton's Bush's Obama's fault.

Next!

/

Just wait 'til I win the Presidency. All the world's misery really will be my fault.

210 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:56:36pm

re: #192 darthstar

He's just taking a hiatus. A little time off. And if he's dirty, I hope he gets forced into retirement.

not prosecuted?

211 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:56:40pm

I just spent two hours helping a colleague figure out how to save a minute and twenty seconds. Isn't technology great?

212 windsagio  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #211 darthstar

Well and posting on here.

Still makes technology great I guess.

213 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:57:24pm

re: #206 freetoken

What Wynn is doing is called "scapegoating".

some people call it telling the truth....you can call it what you like, but Wynn knows what he's talking about

214 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:57:48pm

re: #210 brookly red

not prosecuted?

Sure...prosecute him too. I could give a rat's ass about a dirty politician, regardless of his party.

215 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #211 darthstar

I just spent two hours helping a colleague figure out how to save a minute and twenty seconds. Isn't technology great?

How to figure out how we can get that 1.52 daily microseconds back from the Chilean Earthquake?

216 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:58:27pm

re: #206 freetoken

Disagree wholeheartedly. When you have the President of the United States acting irresponsibly and condemning a major center of economic activity, its going to be devastating to the already-terrible situation.

Scapegoating is using the phrases "last eight years", "inherited mess", etc.

217 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:58:28pm

re: #210 brookly red

not prosecuted?

that would be the Cowboy Way

218 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:58:56pm

re: #206 freetoken

What Wynn is doing is called "scapegoating".

Perhaps. I've met Steve Wynn - he's a smart guy. When he says his hotel's business is way down because corporations won't go anywhere near Vegas because of what the president said, it says a lot.

Obama made a bad situation in Vegas a heck of a lot worse.

Rookie mistake.

219 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:59:07pm

re: #215 ggt

How LONG to figure out how we can get that 1.52 daily microseconds back from the Chilean Earthquake?

PIMF

220 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:59:10pm

re: #212 windsagio

Well and posting on here.

Still makes technology great I guess.

1:54 to 4:27 without a post...two and a half hours! That might be a record for me these days.

221 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:59:28pm

re: #214 darthstar

Sure...prosecute him too. I could give a rat's ass about a dirty politician, regardless of his party.

what do you think of the deal involving BO and Richardson?

222 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 4:59:52pm

re: #216 TheMatrix31

Disagree wholeheartedly. When you have the President of the United States acting irresponsibly and condemning a major center of economic activity, its going to be devastating to the already-terrible situation.

Scapegoating is using the phrases "last eight years", "inherited mess", etc.

And no sarc tag.

223 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:00:09pm

re: #221 albusteve

what do you think of the deal involving BO and Richardson?

What did the president's dog do now?

224 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:00:18pm

re: #215 ggt

How to figure out how we can get that 1.52 daily microseconds back from the Chilean Earthquake?

// an equally powerful blast on the exactly opposite point of the globe...

which according to my calculations is Iran...

225 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:00:49pm

I gotta go for a while.

Have good evening!

226 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:00:55pm

re: #218 Racer X

Perhaps. I've met Steve Wynn - he's a smart guy. When he says his hotel's business is way down because corporations won't go anywhere near Vegas because of what the president said, it says a lot.

Obama made a bad situation in Vegas a heck of a lot worse.

Rookie mistake.

we are fucked.....it's that simple
stock up on toilet paper

227 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:01:32pm

steve wynn is one notch above the "girls gone wild" dude on the scumbag scale.
he makes his money off of the misery of others.

228 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:01:34pm

re: #223 darthstar

What did the president's dog do now?

I thought as much....disconnected

229 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:01:52pm

re: #217 albusteve

that would be the Cowboy Way

I just hate it when we forget that pols that are criminals are still criminals...

230 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:02:06pm

re: #214 darthstar

Sure...prosecute him too. I could give a rat's ass about a dirty politician, regardless of his party.

I'm sorry. I find this post totally disingenuous.

We all care about dirty politicians. Here on LGF it is all about the party.

231 Bagua  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:02:31pm

re: #227 Boondock St. Bender

steve wynn is one notch above the "girls gone wild" dude on the scumbag scale.
he makes his money off of the misery of others.

Misery? What are you talking about, he has a fantastic hotel, one of the best in Vegas.

232 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:02:47pm

re: #227 Boondock St. Bender

steve wynn is one notch above the "girls gone wild" dude on the scumbag scale.
he makes his money off of the misery of others.

people love Vegas...tens of millions of them....do you watch Hollywood movies or TV comedies?

233 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:02:50pm

re: #227 Boondock St. Bender

lol

234 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:03:10pm

Racism in America getting more international attention:

Row as anti-abortionists target African Americans with US racist history

Anti-abortion activists have been accused of exploiting America's tragic racial history with a growing campaign to persuade black women that the high rate of terminations among African Americans is a racist conspiracy on a par with slavery and lynching.

Here is the allegedly Texas originated video embedded in that article:

235 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:03:14pm

re: #218 Racer X

What did he do?
seems the "tough guys" in vegas got thin skins

236 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:03:37pm

re: #227 Boondock St. Bender

steve wynn is one notch above the "girls gone wild" dude on the scumbag scale.
he makes his money off of the misery of others.

Ouch!

Capitalist hater!

237 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:04:25pm

re: #230 Racer X

I'm sorry. I find this post totally disingenuous.

We all care about dirty politicians. Here on LGF it is all about the party.

I suppose we'll have to disagree on that. If someone's dirty, get rid of them. We've got three hundred million people in this country. Are the 435 we have in congress the ONLY ones who can do the job?

238 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:04:45pm

re: #229 brookly red

I just hate it when we forget that pols that are criminals are still criminals...

we're screwed...we don't count....Pelosi and the CBC and Charlie count for everything....nice set up....I hate the feds

239 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:04:51pm

re: #232 albusteve

and drug addicts love their pusher,
alcoholics love their bar/liquer store..

240 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:06:05pm

re: #230 Racer X

I'm sorry. I find this post totally disingenuous.

We all care about dirty politicians. Here on LGF it is all about the party.

It's just a DUI so it doesn't mean he's a dirty politician. Let the law run its course. Mr. Ashburn was also the author of Valley Fever vaccine legislation. Although, he did call for "massive tax increases during 2008-2009 California budget crisis despite strong demands from his constituents that he not do so."

241 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:06:12pm

re: #228 albusteve

I thought as much...disconnected

Well, if you're talking about Bill Richardson, he didn't do anything wrong--though he did step down as Commerce Secretary while he was being investigated.

242 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:06:21pm

brb duty calls...

243 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:06:30pm

re: #237 darthstar

Those 435 can't do the job anyway. They all fucking suck.

244 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:06:56pm

re: #239 Boondock St. Bender

and drug addicts love their pusher,
alcoholics love their bar/liquer store..

I love my local pizzeria...

245 Bagua  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:06:59pm

Steve Wynn provides employment for a large number of people, as well as a place for entertainment and relaxation. He hardly invented gambling nor does he force people to gamble.

Should Vegas crash it could have a devastating effect on the rest of the economy.

246 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:07:02pm

Because everyone who visits Vegas is a decrepit loser. /

Sheesh. I thought that would come from the far right wing.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:07:26pm

re: #239 Boondock St. Bender

MAI LICKER STOHR IZ NO A POOSHER!!! They are find group of immigrants who happily supply me with my anti-sobriety needs.

/Oh, and I am not an alcoholic!

248 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:07:52pm

re: #239 Boondock St. Bender

and drug addicts love their pusher,
alcoholics love their bar/liquer store..

don't make me laugh....okay, make me laugh!....hahaha!...I've been to Vegas many times, what exaclty is your point?...spill it....hey, did you watch Lost the other night?

249 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:08:04pm

re: #243 TheMatrix31

Those 435 can't do the job anyway. They all fucking suck.

They don't all suck. As a group they suck, but they do have the power to change that and suck less. The question is, do they have the courage to suck less or will they continue doing what they've been doing?

250 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:08:39pm

re: #240 Gus 802

It's just a DUI so it doesn't mean he's a dirty politician. Let the law run its course. Mr. Ashburn was also the author of Valley Fever vaccine legislation. Although, he did call for "massive tax increases during 2008-2009 California budget crisis despite strong demands from his constituents that he not do so."

I may have misunderstood. I thought the original post referred to Charlie Rangel.

251 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:08:56pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

anti-sobriety needs.

lol

252 brookly red  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:09:04pm

re: #249 darthstar

They don't all suck. As a group they suck, but they do have the power to change that and suck less. The question is, do they have the courage to suck less or will they continue doing what they've been doing?

that depends on us.

253 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:09:05pm

re: #243 TheMatrix31

Those 435 can't do the job anyway. They all fucking suck.

Well, most.

254 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:09:37pm

re: #250 Racer X

I may have misunderstood. I thought the original post referred to Charlie Rangel.

Oh, perhaps I misunderstood too. Wasn't paying attention I guess. Was thinking about Ashburn.

255 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:11:00pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Oh, perhaps I misunderstood too. Wasn't paying attention I guess. Was thinking about Ashburn.

Ashburn should be punished for driving drunk.

Rangel should be run out of Washington on a rail.

256 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:11:42pm

re: #241 darthstar

Well, if you're talking about Bill Richardson, he didn't do anything wrong--though he did step down as Commerce Secretary while he was being investigated.

He may not have been prosecutable at that time, but the phrase "he didn't do anything wrong" does not fit him in general.

257 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:11:46pm

re: #241 darthstar

Well, if you're talking about Bill Richardson, he didn't do anything wrong--though he did step down as Commerce Secretary while he was being investigated.

he's dirty as hell, what are you talking about?....his pay to play scam was white hot until BO cut the funding for the investigation....right when the deal was almost sealed...there is a money making pipeline between NM and DC, all organized by Richardson....he's a fucking crook, so why did BO let him go?....BO is a crook as well....he let a criminal off the hook because there is dirt they share....BO is dirty...to bad the droolers can't wrap their brains around it....America is tanking fast...thanks alot

258 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #245 Bagua

Steve Wynn provides employment for a large number of people, as well as a place for entertainment and relaxation. He hardly invented gambling nor does he force people to gamble.

Should Vegas crash it could have a devastating effect on the rest of the economy.

any body picking on Wynn is partisan and out of touch....the guy is a money making machine

259 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:13:16pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Oh, perhaps I misunderstood too. Wasn't paying attention I guess. Was thinking about Ashburn.

I was thinking about Ashburn, got labeled a partisan for saying it was okay because he's a republican. There was mention of Ted Kennedy to offset Ashburn, then Rangel to highlight corruption, then Obama/Richardson to highlight absolutely nothing, a polite disagreement in there, and somehow back to Ashburn... Typical blog-of-consciousness stuff.

260 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:13:50pm

re: #257 albusteve

he's dirty as hell, what are you talking about?...his pay to play scam was white hot until BO cut the funding for the investigation...right when the deal was almost sealed...there is a money making pipeline between NM and DC, all organized by Richardson...he's a fucking crook, so why did BO let him go?...BO is a crook as well...he let a criminal off the hook because there is dirt they share...BO is dirty...to bad the droolers can't wrap their brains around it...America is tanking fast...thanks alot

Midol might help.
:)

261 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:13:54pm

re: #50 sandbox

What party should I join?

The Modern Whigs of course
Modern Whig Party

262 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:14:22pm

Sort-a, Kind-a back on topic:

The 60-plus set can't afford to retire

More people say they just don't have the money to retire these days.

Seventy-two percent of workers over the age of 60 who are putting off retirement are doing so because they can't afford it, according to a survey by Careerbuilder.com, a career resources website.

The results from the survey indicate more pessimism than in 2008, when about 60% of retirement-aged workers blamed the economy for delaying retirement.

"People have taken a step back," said Michael Erwin, a senior career advisor at Careerbuilder.com. "They are keeping an eye to the economy and making sure they feel secure before going ahead with their retirement plans."

[...]

Rising insecurity surely must be a gold-mine for the political power-brokers to exploit.

263 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:14:32pm

re: #259 darthstar

I was thinking about Ashburn, got labeled a partisan for saying it was okay because he's a republican. There was mention of Ted Kennedy to offset Ashburn, then Rangel to highlight corruption, then Obama/Richardson to highlight absolutely nothing, a polite disagreement in there, and somehow back to Ashburn... Typical blog-of-consciousness stuff.

Right. Free association leads to Lizard anarchy! /

264 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #257 albusteve

Updinged for everything but the "America is tanking" part. I don't go for that drastic, negative stuff.

265 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:15:02pm

re: #246 Racer X

Because everyone who visits Vegas is a decrepit loser. /

Sheesh. I thought that would come from the far right wing.

millions of people visit Vegas and don't gamble....I've been going up there for 35 years...good fucking grief...it's a huge family attraction now

266 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:16:13pm

re: #13 researchok

Democrats want you to believe they are better people. Republicans want you to believe they have better ideas.

None of them want to deal with the truth and that's why we're in the toilet.

Must Concur.

267 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:17:22pm

re: #255 Racer X

Ashburn should be punished for driving drunk.

Rangel should be run out of Washington on a rail.

I'm surprised it took this long to do anything about Rangel. It still doesn't guarantee any real action which in the end comes down to the voters.

268 Bagua  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:18:42pm

re: #258 albusteve

any body picking on Wynn is partisan and out of touch...the guy is a money making machine

Tens of thousands of people have found employment and a better life because of Steve Wynn. His employees like him enough to follow him around from hotel to hotel.

269 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:18:52pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

Updinged for everything but the "America is tanking" part. I don't go for that drastic, negative stuff.

yeah I know...I get pissy here and there....man I tell you if there was ever a time for the American spirit to wake up and help us get through this manufactured misery it's now...I love this country and the people in it and it hard to have faith sometimes

270 darthstar  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:19:33pm

Time to go play in traffic. Later.

271 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:20:01pm

re: #265 albusteve

millions of people visit Vegas and don't gamble...I've been going up there for 35 years...good fucking grief...it's a huge family attraction now

A fact which pisses me off to no end. I want my non-child friendly playground of debauchery back, damnit!

272 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:20:26pm

re: #267 Gus 802

I'm surprised it took this long to do anything about Rangel. It still doesn't guarantee any real action which in the end comes down to the voters.

the IRS is on his fat butt....woe is Charlie...they are relentless and they don't give a damn who he is

273 Bagua  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:20:58pm

re: #271 Slumbering Behemoth

A fact which pisses me off to no end. I want my non-child friendly playground of debauchery back, damnit!

Email me and I'll send you an address in LV where you can get that.

274 albusteve  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:21:57pm

re: #271 Slumbering Behemoth

A fact which pisses me off to no end. I want my non-child friendly playground of debauchery back, damnit!

there is plenty of that to be had...get out your checkbook

275 Gus  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:24:53pm

Hasta later.

276 Racer X  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:25:22pm

re: #262 freetoken

Sort-a, Kind-a back on topic:

The 60-plus set can't afford to retire

Rising insecurity surely must be a gold-mine for the political power-brokers to exploit.

Rookies.

My portfolio is way up over what it was a year ago. Those who moved their money when it was down effed up big time.

277 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:28:47pm

re: #127 brookly red

Well actully I am one slicker that is hoping & praying there are still enough "rednecks" around to save our butts...

It's Tommy this and Tommy that
And "chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "saviour of his country"
When the guns begin to shoot
-- Rudyard Kipling

278 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:29:02pm

Question for the Room:

There's been no end of acrimony here of late - a lot of folk going around either super-pissed off or, in more cases than I care to think of, going around like they're made of porcelain and have nerve ending ten feet long and curled at the ends, ethereally pure beings who cannot stand a bit of rough back-and-forth.

Life sucks; wear a helmet.

279 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:30:09pm

re: #278 Guanxi88

Question for the Room:

There's been no end of acrimony here of late - a lot of folk going around either super-pissed off or, in more cases than I care to think of, going around like they're made of porcelain and have nerve ending ten feet long and curled at the ends, ethereally pure beings who cannot stand a bit of rough back-and-forth.

Life sucks; wear a helmet.

Oh, and to get to the promised question:

WTF?

280 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:33:32pm

re: #262 freetoken

Sort-a, Kind-a back on topic:

The 60-plus set can't afford to retire

Rising insecurity surely must be a gold-mine for the political power-brokers to exploit.

And has been for decades. Has been for decades.

281 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:33:44pm

re: #262 freetoken

Sort-a, Kind-a back on topic:

The 60-plus set can't afford to retire

Rising insecurity surely must be a gold-mine for the political power-brokers to exploit.

The golden years are tailor made for it. The Dems are masters at scaring the blue-hairs to the polls, with dark warnings that those evil Republicans are going to take away their social security.

282 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:34:27pm

re: #281 The Sanity Inspector

The golden years are tailor made for it. The Dems are masters at scaring the blue-hairs to the polls, with dark warnings that those evil Republicans are going to take away their social security.

But that's all true, of course. Not at all like the distortions and scare-mongering of the Party of No.

(Need I? /////)

283 keloyd  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:37:23pm

re: #279 Guanxi88

That's the blogosphere. This place is more smart, well informed, and civil than most other politically oriented sites, but there's a limit to the format. Charles is keeping the place well fed, watered, weeded, etc., but it's an uphill battle.

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:37:34pm

re: #282 Guanxi88

DETH PANUHLS!

285 freetoken  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:41:06pm

re: #281 The Sanity Inspector

... with dark warnings that those evil Republicans are going to take away their social security.

Senate rejects Social Security bonus payment

The Senate on Wednesday rejected a proposal by President Barack Obama to give people on Social Security a $250 bonus check.

Republicans and Democratic deficit hawks combined to reject the idea by a 50-47 vote.

Stingy Republicans hate old people, no?

286 Lidane  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:42:42pm

re: #29 keloyd

Some of you never tuned into Air America.

Even liberals didn't tune in to Air America. That's why it's off the air, bankrupt, and no longer exists.

287 Bagua  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:43:29pm

re: #285 freetoken

Stingy Republicans hate old people, no?

Stingy? With whose money are they "stingy" with?

288 Olsonist  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 5:54:02pm

re: #7 prairiefire

Reminds me of Rove being quoted at a Republican fund raiser of "riding that horse" the threat of terrorism, through the then coming mid term elections

Reminds me of Jack Abramoff and Ralph Abramoff suckering the Indian Tribes.

289 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:12:59pm

re: #19 keloyd

Meh, I'm not seeing anything unusual here, except that it leaked. You are looking too closely at the sausage. Just put more mustard on it and eat.

Dude. This is no sausage, it's a shit sandwich. If you're having trouble selling your product, the solution isn't add mustard-- it might be time to consider selling sandwiches made of something other than shit.

290 swamprat  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:34:26pm

A pox on both their houses.

291 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:35:41pm

re: #262 freetoken


Rising insecurity surely must be a gold-mine for the political power-brokers to exploit.

You say that like this is something new instead of something as old as politics itself.

292 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:37:33pm

And what is wrong with Scooby Doo? Why does the RNC hate America.

293 pharmmajor  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:42:31pm

Once more, we see that the Democrats and Republicans are freakin' children.

294 Decider  Wed, Mar 3, 2010 7:56:09pm

The sad part is this plays well with the Fox News morons.

295 Yashmak  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:17:40am

To take the devil's advocate position on this, and in no way trying to justify it. . . where was the outrage when groups on the left were pumping out similar material over the 8 years prior to Obama? Maybe it was there, but I sure don't remember the media making a fuss over it like this.

296 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:19:16am

re: #295 Yashmak

To take the devil's advocate position on this, and in no way trying to justify it. . . where was the outrage when groups on the left were pumping out similar material over the 8 years prior to Obama? Maybe it was there, but I sure don't remember the media making a fuss over it like this.

two reasons:
1) this is the RNC, not just 'a group', or 'groups' on the right.
2) you're not going to like this, but there was no similar document pushed by the DNC or DCCC.

297 badger1  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 6:02:32am

Fundraising from the DNC and the RNC both rely on fear and hyperbole.

I am shocked, shocked that this might be mentioned in a powerpoint presentation.

Oh the humanity.


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