Pentagon Shooter: Another Violent Anti-Government Loon?

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The Associated Press reports:

WASHINGTON — AP sources: Suspect in Pentagon shooting identified as 36-year-old John Patrick Bedell.

The Internet Archive has a series of deranged audio files by “JPatrickBedell:” Internet Archive: Free Download: Directions to Freedom, part two (25 November 2006).

And a JPatrickBedell is also the author of this bizarre page at Wikipedia; he’s apparently a 9/11 Truther and a devotee of libertarian icon Ludwig Von Mises: User:JPatrickBedell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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235 comments
1 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:34:32pm

There is no right-wing extremism. It’s all lies and agents provocateurs.

2 shai_au  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:35:58pm

Pentagon shooting? Is this a new one, or something that happened a while ago?

3 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:36:13pm

I was hoping for an ocean scene for a laid back late night.

Violent anti-government loons instead.

O what a world.

4 jaunte  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:36:27pm

Coup regime? He sure spent a long time preparing his insanity defense.

5 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:37:02pm

re: #2 shai_au

Pentagon shooting? Is this a new one, or something that happened a while ago?

New. I read it in the news this afternoon, but this is something extra.

6 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:37:14pm

re: #1 Cato the Elder

There is no right-wing extremism. It’s all lies and agents provocateurs.

So who was pulling this one’s strings? President Obama, the Illuminati? Feel free to have fun making up theories and mocking the loons.

7 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:37:21pm

Man shoots 2 officers outside Pentagon

(CNN) — A man coolly and calmly approached the screening area outside the Pentagon Thursday evening and opened fire, grazing two Pentagon police officers before they returned fire, critically wounding him, officials said.
8 pharmmajor  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:14pm

I checked Bedell’s wiki page, and I can’t say if he’s a right-wing extremist or a left-winger; his mangled thoughts seem to be all over the map.

9 shai_au  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:31pm

re: #5 Silvergirl

New. I read it in the news this afternoon, but this is something extra.

Ah, ok. Cheers.

10 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:41:59pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

So who was pulling this one’s strings? President Obama, the Illuminati? Feel free to have fun making up theories and mocking the loons.

Fluoridation!!

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:44:40pm

So, the DHS memo was a lie, then?
/

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:49:13pm

re: #8 pharmmajor

I checked Bedell’s wiki page, and I can’t say if he’s a right-wing extremist or a left-winger; his mangled thoughts seem to be all over the map.

It gets tricky when it comes to the libertarians but he’s a standard Ron Paul/Alex Jones/Lew Rockwell type lunatic.

13 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:49:26pm

I all fairness, do we yet know with certainty if it’s the same loon ?

14 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:49:52pm

re: #10 Aceofwhat?

Fluoridation!!

We must protect our Purity of Essence!!1

/must I?

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:50:00pm

re: #13 avanti

I all fairness, do we yet know with certainty if it’s the same loon ?

No, it’s likely but not confirmed.

16 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:51:20pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

We must protect our Purity of Essence!!1

/must I?

just got around to changing my pic…couldn’t resist…

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:51:26pm

re: #13 avanti

Typical. Gawt-damned commie librul, always demanding that weenie “fairness” thing. Wuss.
/

18 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:05pm

Suspect is dead:

Officials: Pentagon shooting suspect dies

WASHINGTON — The D.C. Medical Examiner’s Office says the alleged shooter at the Pentagon has died.

Beverly Fields, chief of staff of the D.C. medical examiner’s office, said the body of 36-year-old John Patrick Bedell arrived at the medical examiner’s office shortly after midnight.

Bedell was shot by two Pentagon police officers after authorities say he drew a weapon from his pocket and opened fire at a security checkpoint into a Pentagon subway entrance.

The two police officers received bullet wounds but were not seriously hurt.

19 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:57pm

re: #8 pharmmajor

I think Charles’s phraseology of ‘anti-government’ covers the particular brand of nuts we’re seeing these days very nicely.

20 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:53:21pm

Okay, that’s enough of that convoluted Wikipedia entry. I can’t follow what he’s going off on from one second to the next. Transcending destructive regimes, cannabis, Sept 11th …

Will someone post some music to erase that mess?

21 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:53:40pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

Typical. Gawt-damned commie librul, always demanding that weenie “fairness” thing. Wuss.
/

Perhaps he was abused as a child, maybe we should have counseled him, likely it’s Bush’s fault. /

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:43pm

If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:48pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Oh well.

24 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:55:31pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Oh well.

Yep. That means we’ll probably learn more about him sooner rather than later.

25 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:56:32pm

re: #22 Charles

If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.

Most likely the same guy, just don’t want to look silly if it turns out to be Code Pink for example.

26 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:56:32pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

It gets tricky when it comes to the libertarians but he’s a standard Ron Paul/Alex Jones/Lew Rockwell type lunatic.

Indeed. A major reason I left the Libertarian Party. Too many anarchist, conspiracy burdened loons.

27 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:57:14pm

re: #20 Silvergirl

Okay, that’s enough of that convoluted Wikipedia entry. I can’t follow what he’s going off on from one second to the next. Transcending destructive regimes, cannabis, Sept 11th …

Will someone post some music to erase that mess?

Song about rising sea levels…

Youtube Video
28 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:57:19pm

re: #25 avanti

Most likely the same guy, just don’t want to look silly if it turns out to be Code Pink for example.

Oh PLEASE.

29 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:58:45pm

re: #28 iceweasel

Oh PLEASE.

They iz skared of gunz!
;)

30 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:58:54pm

Canon in D

Youtube Video
31 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:00:40pm

re: #28 iceweasel

Oh PLEASE.

You have a problem with fact checking ? I just used Code Pink as a example of the polar opposite of the far right.

32 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:01:37pm

re: #29 Varek Raith

They iz skared of gunz!
;)

Yeah. Maybe he’s Code Pink. Or a member of the ELF. Or he could have been a member of the Weather Underground who’s been only recently dethawed and reactivated, like Austin Powers. What’s Ayers been up to?

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!/

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:17pm

re: #31 avanti

I follow your point. Violent anti-gov’t types come from both the far right and the far left. And maybe even the far center (is there such a thing?)

34 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:46pm

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

I follow your point. Violent anti-gov’t types come from both the far right and the far left. And maybe even the far center (is there such a thing?)

The up or down center.
;)

35 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:50pm

re: #32 iceweasel

Yeah. Maybe he’s Code Pink. Or a member of the ELF. Or he could have been a member of the Weather Underground who’s been only recently dethawed and reactivated, like Austin Powers. What’s Ayers been up to?

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!/

I’m just glad he wasn’t able to seriously hurt anyone. Nutcase shootings suck, but they suck a lot less when the only one dead is the crazy.

36 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:55pm

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

Except— when was the last time a far-left guy did anything violent?

Honest question.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:05:12pm

Then there#s this Argentine lunatic whom the right is portraying a s a victim of Al Gore’s lying:

[Link: minnesotansforglobalwarming.com…]

There are sick people out there. They glom onto various causes because they are felt to give some sustance and direction to their sickness.

38 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:05:28pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

I am very happy that the word used to describe the injuries was ‘graze’.

That’s what he gets as his reign of terror. Grazes.

39 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:06:03pm

re: #27 Aceofwhat?

Song about rising sea levels…


[Video]

That is one funny response, but strangely effective. I’m listening to yours first before mine. It’s been a long time since I listened to Led Zeppelin start to finish. My favorites used to be Going to California and Black Dog.

40 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:06:22pm

re: #31 avanti

You have a problem with fact checking ? I just used Code Pink as a example of the polar opposite of the far right.

I have a problem with false equivalencies. Like anyone pretending that Code Pink, as wacko as they are, are anything like the crazy currently on the far extremist right.
That’s your problem right there, see. They aren’t exact opposites. You have to go back a couple of decades to see anything like the violence or rhetoric about violence on the left that we have all over the fringe right at the moment.

This guy could be anything, but as CJ noted, his profile so far fits the teabaggers rhetoric like a glove.
And let’s not pretend I’m denying that there aren’t violent random wackos on the left either. We did have the unibomber. But the anti-gubbmint types acting out right now are on the right.

41 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:07:07pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Except— when was the last time a far-left guy did anything violent?

Honest question.

The was a mentally unbalanced lefty who shot a soldier a few years ago in New York or New Jersey.

42 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:07:44pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

So who was pulling this one’s strings? President Obama, the Illuminati? Feel free to have fun making up theories and mocking the loons.

I believe I detect the specific syndrome engendered in an unprepared member of misera plebs who undertakes a close deconstructionist reading of the dollar bill.

Note the Latin. Used on purpose so only the Pope (aka The Scarlet Woman, aka The Great Beast (το μεγα φηριον), aka The Whore of Babylon) and I can read it. Unless you take the correspondence course.

“Novus Ordo Saeclorum” = flat-out New World Order! What, do you need me to spell it out for you?

“Annuit Coeptis” = “may he [Old Scratch] look with favor on what we have begun”! (The destruction of Christianity and morals.)

It’s all there on our currency! The fingerprints of the Illuminati! The Masonic devilry! And we let our children pay for their Hannah Montana toys with this money.

Don’t even get me started on The Eye (of Sauron!) in the second picture.

Ron Paul is right! Edit the Fed! (That’s what he said, no?)

I weep for our lost innocence.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:08:51pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Except— when was the last time a far-left guy did anything violent?

Honest question.

Honest answer. One story featured here that I recall is that of an anti-war lefty murdering a serviceman home on leave during the Bush admin.

44 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:09:11pm

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

I follow your point. Violent anti-gov’t types come from both the far right and the far left. And maybe even the far center (is there such a thing?)

That was my only point. We suspect, but don’t know if it’s the same guy. We did find a loon with the same name, but like the names on the WH visitors list, we “could” have just the same name.
I’d bet we’ll find it is that guy shortly, just being cautious.

45 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:09:17pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Alright then. I think the CPAC types are currently going to alarm me more than Code Pink.

46 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:09:51pm

Just heard on the radio that the Pentagon shooter has died.

47 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:10:08pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Honest answer. One story featured here that I recall is that of an anti-war lefty murdering a serviceman home on leave during the Bush admin.

I can find you six cases minimum of people on the right shooting law enforcement officers in the last year. Sometimes multiple shootings.

48 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:10:42pm

re: #44 avanti

One things for certain, he has the accuracy of an Imperial Stormtrooper.


Too soon?

49 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:11:28pm

re: #38 Obdicut

I am very happy that the word used to describe the injuries was ‘graze’.

That’s what he gets as his reign of terror. Grazes.

Indeed. Like most teabaggers, his deeds can be summed up in two words:

EPIC FAIL

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:11:34pm

re: #40 iceweasel

This guy could be anything, but as CJ noted, his profile so far fits the teabaggers rhetoric like a glove.

re: #22 Charles

If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.

If..

51 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:12:41pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

One things for certain, he has the accuracy of an Imperial Stormtrooper.

Too soon?

Nope. Does it get tiring though, Force choking all those idiots who can’t hit the broadside of a barn?

52 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:12:44pm

Does Major Hassan killing soldiers at Fort Hood count as Far Left? That’s a convergence point between radical Islam and the left, isn’t it? He was certainly against the U.S. army fighting in Muslim countries.

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:12:54pm

re: #47 iceweasel

I can find you six cases minimum of people on the right shooting law enforcement officers in the last year. Sometimes multiple shootings.

This does not invalidate Avanti’s point.

54 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:07pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

If..

Yes. IF.
Anyone found someone with the same name associated with Code Pink yet?
IF they have, THEN I’d love to see it. Because IF they have, THEN it’s warranted to suspect he’s a member of code pink.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:27pm

re: #52 yenta-fada

No, I don’t think radical religious fundamentalists sit in the far left camp.

56 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:42pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

This does not invalidate Avanti’s point.

Nor have mine been invalidated. That comment was a response to a different point by someone else.

57 Bagua  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:01pm

Speaking of deranged killers…

WH leans toward military trials for 9/11 suspects

58 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:08pm

re: #39 Silvergirl

That is one funny response, but strangely effective. I’m listening to yours first before mine. It’s been a long time since I listened to Led Zeppelin start to finish. My favorites used to be Going to California and Black Dog.

i’ve had it on the brain for the past few days…tuned my guitar to play it and broke a string. !#@$!$#^%!#$

but it sucks you in with that slow, slidey guitar and then *POW*, Plant does his thing and punches you out of nowhere. underrated song.

my wife and i walked down the aisle to Canon in D…how’s that for a return compliment!!

59 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:21pm

re: #52 yenta-fada

Does Major Hassan killing soldiers at Fort Hood count as Far Left?

No.

60 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:17:03pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

One things for certain, he has the accuracy of an Imperial Stormtrooper.

Too soon?

i think so…which makes my *chortle* oh so embarrassing…

61 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:17:38pm

re: #54 iceweasel

Yes. IF.
Anyone found someone with the same name associated with Code Pink yet?
IF they have, THEN I’d love to see it. Because IF they have, THEN it’s warranted to suspect he’s a member of code pink.

Ice, you are being disingenuous, you know well the intent of my post and it was not to suggest it “was” Code Pink, just that we don’t yet know the presently unknowable.
Hell, I was once the LGF Commie, now I’m a moderate./

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:17:58pm

re: #56 iceweasel

That was not a point as much as it was a tu quoque.

63 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:18:54pm

re: #60 Aceofwhat?

i think so…which makes my *chortle* oh so embarrassing…

If it make ya feel better, the officers appear to have only been grazed.

64 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:19:15pm

re: #61 avanti

Ice, you are being disingenuous, you know well the intent of my post and it was not to suggest it “was” Code Pink, just that we don’t yet know the presently unknowable.
Hell, I was once the LGF Commie, now I’m a moderate./

The downding is for calling me disingenuous.

You may have noticed a certain tendency here for people to play with false equivalences, like “the left did it to” or “the left did it worse”.
Code Pink is nothing at all like the wacko extremism on the right. That is fact, and you know it.

65 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:19:32pm

re: #63 Varek Raith

If it make ya feel better, the officers appear to have only been grazed.

i know…your post wouldn’t have made sense otherwise!

66 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:13pm

re: #65 Aceofwhat?

i know…your post wouldn’t have made sense otherwise!

…d’oheth! I need coffee.
:)

67 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:33pm

re: #52 yenta-fada

Does Major Hassan killing soldiers at Fort Hood count as Far Left? That’s a convergence point between radical Islam and the left, isn’t it? He was certainly against the U.S. army fighting in Muslim countries.

Nope. Islamists and liberals don’t have much in common. The can both be anti-war but for different reasons. This guy is a 9-11 truth and is far right. He has much more in common than the Islamists than the lefties.

68 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:21:46pm

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth

That was not a point as much as it was a tu quoque.

Rubbish. Obdicut asked for examples of violent action from the left. You came up with one guy who shot a soldier from a couple of years ago.
It was entirely relevant, in the context of establishing that the violence isn’t currently coming from the left, to point out that there are at least 6 shootings of law enforcement personnel carried out by people on the right within just the last year.
Although I think I need to extend that to 14 months, so I’ll grant that.

69 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:29pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

The NDP (socialist leaning) party in Canada certainly makes common cause with Muslim radicals in Universities in Canada. Hezbollah supporters are noted in the streets of Montreal when liberals campaign for election. (Mind you, this ends up being embarassing for the Liberals when people point it out).

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:38pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

No, I don’t think radical religious fundamentalists sit in the far left camp.

Nor do I. Islamists don’t fit into our national political spectrum and are best understood as foreign movement bent on our conquest.

71 williwonka  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:41pm

The man believed that the Kennedy killing was done by the government, that the government controls the drug trade and stomps out the competition and caused 9/11.

Is it not enough to believe he was mentally disturbed?

Many on the left hold similar beliefs. Are those that do also mentally disturbed? No.

He wanted to create a new monetary standard based on Marijuana.

Why try to claim that mentally ill people represent any particular political point of view?

72 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:24:01pm

re: #58 Aceofwhat?

i’ve had it on the brain for the past few days…tuned my guitar to play it and broke a string. !#@$!$#^%!#$

but it sucks you in with that slow, slidey guitar and then *POW*, Plant does his thing and punches you out of nowhere. underrated song.

my wife and i walked down the aisle to Canon in D…how’s that for a return compliment!!

You broke your guitar string just now?

You’ve nudged me into revisiting Led Zeppelin.

My Canon in D memory is in a huge white tent right next to the Pacific Ocean. A music festival in the summer. It’s a perfect choice for a walk down the aisle. Was that indoors or out?

73 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:24:06pm

re: #64 iceweasel

The downding is for calling me disingenuous.

You may have noticed a certain tendency here for people to play with false equivalences, like “the left did it to” or “the left did it worse”.
Code Pink is nothing at all like the wacko extremism on the right. That is fact, and you know it.

I’ll except the ding, but it’s hard for me to accept you focused in on the Code Pink analogy, but missed my main point that we should proceed with caution.

74 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:25:24pm

re: #71 williwonka

Those crazy ‘beliefs’ are not solely in the realm of the left.

75 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:25:40pm

re: #73 avanti

I’ll except the ding, but it’s hard for me to accept you focused in on the Code Pink analogy, but missed my main point that we should proceed with caution.

Because people here have been bringing up Code Pink over, and over, and over again over the entire last year, avanti. That’s why.

Have an upding anyway for the reasonable point that ‘we don’t yet know all the facts.’

76 Joanne  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:11pm

re: #69 yenta-fada

I didn’t realize we were living in Canada, that hot bed of radicalism.

77 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:35pm

re: #73 avanti

I’ll except the ding, but it’s hard for me to accept you focused in on the Code Pink analogy, but missed my main point that we should proceed with caution.

Well you picked a very bad example. Code pink may be loons but they are DEFINITELY not that kind of loon.

78 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:13pm

John Patrick Bedell’s Gunfight With Pentagon Cops: Crazier than Crazy Teabag Offshoot?


When J(ohn) Patrick Bedell was served with a search warrant by the Irvine, CA PD on June 6, 2006, Detectives encountered a similar demeanor. From the police report:

Upon serving the warrant, Detective Anderson knocked on the front door and advised our intent […] and he demanded entry. After making two advisements, at approximately 20 seconds, a male subject, later identified as John Bedell, answered the door. Bedell stood there starting at Detective Anderson. Detective Anderson told Bedell to get down on the ground. Bedell stood there and did not comply. Detective Anderson ordered Bedell down once again and he still did not comply. Bedell just stood there in the doorway refusing to move or even acknowledge he was being spoken to.

Bedell’s mulishness continued. As a detective was walking Bedell through his residence, the software engineer simply stopped and refused to go any further. Then, stranger still, he went completely limp. Detectives did not feel him to be a threat, so they searched his place and found 16 marijuana plants as well as a gardening system for the plants on the rear patio.


Weeeeeeeeed!

79 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:17pm

re: #72 Silvergirl

You broke your guitar string just now?

You’ve nudged me into revisiting Led Zeppelin.

My Canon in D memory is in a huge white tent right next to the Pacific Ocean. A music festival in the summer. It’s a perfect choice for a walk down the aisle. Was that indoors or out?

no, broke it two days ago. you have to retune to play Levee Breaks. It’s my own lazy fault…they broke because i should have changed them already!

It was indoors. We agreed that Pachelbel seemed a much more elegant choice than the tired old ‘wedding march’.

Cleveland weddings are best done indoors, at any time of the year!

80 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:36pm

re: #75 iceweasel

Because people here have been bringing up Code Pink over, and over, and over again over the entire last year, avanti. That’s why.

Have an upding anyway for the reasonable point that ‘we don’t yet know all the facts.’

Hey don’t worry about the down down. If I’m getting them from the left and the right of me, I know I’m in my zone.

81 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:48pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

This particular shooter was definitely of the right wing persuasion. I was just responding to questions involving the far left and violence. We see the leftist anti-poverty coalition, Israeli Anti-Apartheid Week, radical feminists, and Islamists enabling and meeting together in Toronto regularly.

82 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:28:05pm

re: #71 williwonka

The man believed that the Kennedy killing was done by the government, that the government controls the drug trade and stomps out the competition and caused 9/11.

Is it not enough to believe he was mentally disturbed?

Many on the left hold similar beliefs. Are those that do also mentally disturbed? No.

He wanted to create a new monetary standard based on Marijuana.

Why try to claim that mentally ill people represent any particular political point of view?

we like to measure our junk sometimes when it gets late. God knows i’m prone to it//

83 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:28:44pm

re: #80 avanti

Hey don’t worry about the down down. If I’m getting them from the left and the right of me, I know I’m in my zone.

I wasn’t worried.

84 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:29:03pm

re: #77 Jimmah

Well you picked a very bad example. Code pink may be loons but they are DEFINITELY not that kind of loon.

It was the fist loony far left group that came to mind, post a approved list.

85 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:29:06pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

John Patrick Bedell’s Gunfight With Pentagon Cops: Crazier than Crazy Teabag Offshoot?


Weeed!

Yeah, that’s the same guy I mentioned here. Same DOB.

86 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:30:29pm

re: #81 yenta-fada

This particular shooter was definitely of the right wing persuasion. I was just responding to questions involving the far left and violence. We see the leftist anti-poverty coalition, Israeli Anti-Apartheid Week, radical feminists, and Islamists enabling and meeting together in Toronto regularly.

Define ‘radical feminist’. Links, please. Especially to the ones you say are meeting in Toronto.
Then establish that they are, in fact, representative of radical feminists.
I’m a radical feminist. That term doesn’t mean what many claim it does.

87 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:06pm

re: #85 Gus 802

I thought those were just speeding tickets.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:14pm

re: #84 avanti

It was the fist loony far left group that came to mind, post a approved list.

Wow. Strange days indeed.

89 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:15pm

re: #86 iceweasel

Do you have sexy jack boots?!?!
///

90 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:24pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Islamists fit into the political spectrum in Canada. A few years ago, a version of Sharia Law was almost passed in Ontario. Only an international Muslim Woman’s organization and one Liberal cabinet minister stopped it from being made Law. It was a done deal before that.

91 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:53pm

re: #52 yenta-fada

Does Major Hassan killing soldiers at Fort Hood count as Far Left? That’s a convergence point between radical Islam and the left, isn’t it? He was certainly against the U.S. army fighting in Muslim countries.

There is far more convergence between Islamists and the far right, especially the religious right. Just a few areas of convergence off the top of my head:

Science denialists? Check!
Outrage over the ‘decadence’ of modern society, sexual mores, womens rights? Check!
Hate homosexuals? Check!
Anti- separation of church and state? Check!

92 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:55pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Do you have sexy jack boots?!?!
///

I have sexy everything, baby. :)

93 Joanne  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:32:20pm

re: #86 iceweasel

Perhaps the term he meant was feminazi. I’ll wear that one proudly.

94 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:32:57pm

re: #64 iceweasel

The downding is for calling me disingenuous.

You may have noticed a certain tendency here for people to play with false equivalences, like “the left did it to” or “the left did it worse”.
Code Pink is nothing at all like the wacko extremism on the right. That is fact, and you know it.

Code Pink is rather insignificant. They’ve attached themselves to unsavory groups and have joined forces with the vile BDS/anti-Israel caravan but by themselves, they are just another silly group without any real power. IMO.

95 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:23pm

re: #52 yenta-fada

Does Major Hassan killing soldiers at Fort Hood count as Far Left? That’s a convergence point between radical Islam and the left, isn’t it? He was certainly against the U.S. army fighting in Muslim countries.

Right. And Hitler was a socialist.

Been watching too much Glenn Beck, I presume.

96 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:24pm

re: #94 eclectic infidel

Code Pink is rather insignificant. They’ve attached themselves to unsavory groups and have joined forces with the vile BDS/anti-Israel caravan but by themselves, they are just another silly group without any real power. IMO.

Agreed on all counts.

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:34pm

re: #91 Jimmah

Harun Yahya and the Discovery Institute.

98 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:42pm

re: #91 Jimmah

There is far more convergence between Islamists and the far right, especially the religious right. Just a few areas of convergence off the top of my head:

Science denialists? Check!
Outrage over the ‘decadence’ of modern society, sexual mores, womens rights? Check!
Hate homosexuals? Check!
Anti- separation of church and state? Check!

Irrational Palestine luv? faaailll

99 Spockista  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:34:20pm

he is also a “tr00ther”!

he should have just stuck to growing good pot and making the world a happy place.

100 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:36:52pm

re: #99 Spockista

he is also a “tr00ther”!

he should have just stuck to growing good pot and making the world a happy place.

i keep saying it…moderate conservative = limiting govt spending = legalization. it’s just good fiscal policy…

101 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:38:05pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

By the way, the fact that two Latin words require a whole sentence to be rendered into English is proof of the demonic esoteric arcanic insidiosity of the plot against family values.

It’s all encoded in the codex of the codswalloping crafty ones!

102 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:38:24pm

re: #91 Jimmah

There is far more convergence between Islamists and the far right, especially the religious right. Just a few areas of convergence off the top of my head:

Science denialists? Check!
Outrage over the ‘decadence’ of modern society, sexual mores, womens rights? Check!
Hate homosexuals? Check!
Anti- separation of church and state? Check!

can’t thank you enough for that guy’s blog…i’m still reading it. it’s excellent. i posted a comment just to tell him cheers.

thanks again-

103 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:38:43pm

re: #84 avanti

It was the fist loony far left group that came to mind, post a approved list.

Yes who gives a shit that they aren’t actually in any way connected with physical threats or violence. Very fair and balanced of you. Have some Ghandi points.

104 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:38:59pm

re: #86 iceweasel

I can recommend that you google “Judy Rebick” if you want a leftist Jewish feminist who constantly sides against Israel for a start. I’ll poke around for a link, because this is a genuine issue in Toronto politics.

105 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:40:14pm

Well, this matches the Wiki profile:

Pentagon Shooting Suspect From Hollister

WASHINGTON, D.C. — A Hollister man accused of shooting two officers at the Pentagon complex died from his wounds Thursday.

Law enforcement sources identified the suspect as John Patrick Bedell, 36. Bedell died hours after being admitted to a hospital in critical condition from injuries he received when officers returned gunfire, authorities said.

Bedell was a 1991 graduate of San Benito High School and attended UC-Santa Cruz, where he received a degree in physics. Bedell also did graduate work at San Jose State University.

The Hollister Free Lance newspaper reported that local sources confirmed Bedell is the son of Kaye Bedell, the director of Allied Health at Gavilan College, and his father is John Bedell, Sr., a local financial planner.

The Washington Post reported that when a call was made to a home in Hollister, a man identified himself as John Bedell and said he had a 36-year-old son in the Washington D.C. area named John Patrick Bedell before hanging up…

This from his Wiki profile:

I have a bachelor’s degree in physics from the University of California, Santa Cruz, and studied biochemistry at San Jose State University. I’ve studied electrical engineering with the goal of creating microsystems for molecular analysis.

106 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:41:06pm

re: #102 Aceofwhat?

can’t thank you enough for that guy’s blog…i’m still reading it. it’s excellent. i posted a comment just to tell him cheers.

thanks again-

Cheers - I read a couple of posts earlier and I like where he and his contributers are coming from.

107 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:41:37pm

re: #104 yenta-fada

I can recommend that you google “Judy Rebick” if you want a leftist Jewish feminist who constantly sides against Israel for a start. I’ll poke around for a link, because this is a genuine issue in Toronto politics.

Fine. You made a claim about ‘radical feminists’. That’s what we’re talking about, and you don’t know what that term means.
Read Alison Jagger’s book Feminist Theories before you use that term.

108 Joanne  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:20pm

re: #104 yenta-fada

I can recommend that you google “Judy Rebick” if you want a leftist Jewish feminist who constantly sides against Israel for a start. I’ll poke around for a link, because this is a genuine issue in Toronto politics.

Yup. **A** “leftist Jewish feminist” you’ve referenced puts all feminists and all leftists and all Jews into that category.

109 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:36pm

Call the ball!

110 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:43pm

re: #104 yenta-fada

I can recommend that you google “Judy Rebick” if you want a leftist Jewish feminist who constantly sides against Israel for a start. I’ll poke around for a link, because this is a genuine issue in Toronto politics.

There’s a genuine problem with Noam Chomsky, too. Last I checked, his crazee has not inspired any acts of outright murder and mayhem.

Can’t exactly say the same for Tea Party memes.

111 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:43:47pm

re: #109 Gus 802

Call the ball!

Offsides!

112 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:44:05pm

re: #111 iceweasel

Offsides!

Wave off!

113 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:44:26pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder

That’s funny. I’m too right wing for LGF and too left wing for the financial forums. I’m having an identity crisis! And those of you who watched the closing ceremonies of the winter olympics and saw giant beavers and moose…..we are a self-deprecating nation with an natural liberal tone.

114 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:45:20pm

Huh?

115 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:45:25pm

re: #110 Cato the Elder

There’s a genuine problem with Noam Chomsky, too. Last I checked, his crazee has not inspired any acts of outright murder and mayhem.

Can’t exactly say the same for Tea Party memes.

Noam Chomsky does inspire a great deal of somnambulating.

116 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:46:29pm

Alice opens tomorrow.

117 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:46:37pm

re: #103 Jimmah

Yes who gives a shit that they aren’t actually in any way connected with physical threats or violence. Very fair and balanced of you. Have some Ghandi points.

You two can tag team my ass all night over a less than perfect analogy, but you both know my real intent. I’m a just a cautious liberal.

118 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:01pm

re: #112 Gus 802

Wave off!

Free penalty kicks coming up. :)

119 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:07pm

I’m really missing Writer Mom in this discussion. Many Canadian lizards have disappeared from here. waaaaah.

120 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:28pm

Uh oh.

121 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:35pm

Hmm, my spidey sense in tingling…

122 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:46pm

re: #117 avanti

You two can tag team my ass all night over a less than perfect analogy, but you both know my real intent. I’m a just a cautious liberal.

What, now you’re upset?
You picked a bad group for your point.

123 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:56pm

re: #92 iceweasel

Did I ever mention that I’m both Scottish and American?

/sorry ‘bout that one Jimmah, positively couldn’t help it.

124 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:48:01pm

re: #116 Silvergirl

Alice opens tomorrow.

can’t wait. Depp is a great choice for that role. willy wonka + jack sparrow = mad hatter.

125 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:48:14pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Hmm, my spidey sense in tingling…

Up tick on the geiger counter!

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:49:09pm

re: #103 Jimmah

Yes who gives a shit that they aren’t actually in any way connected with physical threats or violence. Very fair and balanced of you. Have some Ghandi points.

Christ on a cracker, what’s the big fucking deal? He presented a “what if” using a random lefty group to illustrate a point about withholding judgment until all the facts are in.

127 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:49:30pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Up tick on the geiger counter!

Contact on the motion tracker!

Youtube Video
128 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:49:39pm

re: #119 yenta-fada

We have a number of Canadian lizards. Some newer ones too, like McSpiff, IIRC. They’re just not around at the moment.

129 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:19pm

holy crap it got late.

nighty-night, friends-

130 Spockista  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:25pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Noam Chomsky does inspire a great deal of somnambulating.

…only if you listen to him live….

131 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:54pm

re: #122 iceweasel

What, now you’re upset?
You picked a bad group for your point.

Then forward my apologizes to Code Pink and give me a more acceptable analogy of a far left group to use in the future.

132 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:53:53pm

re: #131 avanti

Then forward my apologizes to Code Pink and give me a more acceptable analogy of a far left group to use in the future.

The original point here, which others have also made, is that you have to go back a couple of decades to find such groups, avanti.
The point you primarily meant to make—that we don’t have all the facts yet— is entirely reasonable.
Now can we move on?

133 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:54:52pm

re: #117 avanti

You two can tag team my ass all night over a less than perfect analogy, but you both know my real intent. I’m a just a cautious liberal.

“Less than perfect analogy” Well that’s one way of describing offering up a non violent group as possible suspects in a violent shooting incident. Cautious? Definitely not.

Hint : pick a violent group next time you are looking for an example of a violent group.

134 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:55:01pm

re: #124 Aceofwhat?

can’t wait. Depp is a great choice for that role. willy wonka + jack sparrow = mad hatter.

I’m going.

Johnny Depp, absolutely. Plus Stephen Fry voicing the Cheshire Cat. I want to check out Alice since I don’t know any of her other work. Mia something. Anne Hathaway and Helena Bonham Carter look intriguing too. Especially Carter as the Red Queen with that crazy big head.

135 avanti  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:55:54pm

re: #132 iceweasel

The original point here, which others have also made, is that you have to go back a couple of decades to find such groups, avanti.
The point you primarily meant to make—that we don’t have all the facts yet— is entirely reasonable.
Now can we move on?

Yep, actually, I’m moving to my rack to get some sleep. Nite Ice, and all the other Lizards.

136 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:58:23pm

re: #135 avanti

Yep, actually, I’m moving to my rack to get some sleep. Nite Ice, and all the other Lizards.

Night avanti. Sleep well.

137 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:58:29pm

Wingnuts starting to spin: From Patterico….
Pentagon Shooter: Anti-Bush Nut Case and 9/11 Truther

And Internet research shows that the guy was a 9/11 Truther and an anti-Bush nut case.

Via Charles Johnson comes this link to some crazy ranting from the guy. It was recorded in November 2006 — when Bush was president, to belabor the obvious. I transcribed this part, in which he is speaking of criminal organizations working within the U.S. Government:

138 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:59:36pm

re: #128 iceweasel

Here’s a Canadian blogger who you might want to check out. She concentrates on Canadian-specific news. Yes, she’s Conservative, but she’s funny and she gives lots of links to back up her blog.


[Link: scaramouchee.blogspot.com…]

139 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:59:38pm

re: #131 avanti

Then forward my apologizes to Code Pink and give me a more acceptable analogy of a far left group to use in the future.

How about the Wiggles? Oh my God, they’re coming right for us!

140 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:00:28pm

Doctoring the Tardis:

Youtube Video
141 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:00:40pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

How about the Wiggles? Oh my God, they’re coming right for us!

*Tutbolasers targeted, preparing to fire*

142 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:01:25pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

*TuRbolasers targeted, preparing to fire*

Frak! TURBOLASERS!

143 JCW  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:01:42pm

In his chapter “Terrorism in democracies: Its social and political bases” (_Origins of Terrorism: Psychologies, Ideologies, Theologies, States of Mind_), Ted Robert Gurr made a distinction that explains the recent (post-election) increased concern about and instances of right-wing domestic terrorism:

“There are two main routes by which (some of the members of) such groups come to accept extreme means: radicalization and reaction. Radicalization refers to a process in which the group has been mobilized in pursuit of a social and political objective but has failed to make enough progress toward the objective to satisfy all the activists…Reaction is an analytically distinct process in which members of a regional, communal, or political group resort to terrorism in response to threatening social change, or intervention by authorities. Whereas radicalization characterizes groups with future-oriented objectives, reaction occures in defense of a group’s threatened rights or status.” [pp. 87,89]

Whereas Gurr would recommend public policies of backlash against violence, deterrence against criminals, and political reform, I see that the Dems agenda is the opposite of political refom, which must be focused upon increasing Justice by using law to protect individual rights.

144 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:01:52pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts starting to spin: From Patterico…
Pentagon Shooter: Anti-Bush Nut Case and 9/11 Truther

If I were to identify him with a group I would say Paulian.

145 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:02:09pm

re: #107 iceweasel

Fine. You made a claim about ‘radical feminists’. That’s what we’re talking about, and you don’t know what that term means.
Read Alison Jagger’s book Feminist Theories before you use that term.

What does it mean? Please keep in mind that I’m very seldom a fan of radical anything.

146 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:03:25pm

re: #144 Gus 802

If I were to identify him with a group I would say Paulian.

Agreed.

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:03:28pm

OT- An old boss just emailed me. To put things into perspective, he uses about 10 of my dishes, including recipes and general everyday operations. It will be PT, but paid in cash. So I am under the radar. Anything right now is good. And BTW, when he hired me he had a 1979 Ford truck. When I left, he had an Audi. And I didn’t even show off. Heh.

148 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:04:31pm

re: #142 Varek Raith

Frak! TURBOLASERS!

Batteries standing by, my lord. Scimitar Bombers are launching now to give us a precision attack capability. Shall I deploy the AT-ATs?

149 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:05:04pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Agreed.

Yeah. Anti-war, 911 truther, general conspiracy theorist, private property rights, paper money, big government, sovereignty, marijuana advocacy, etc.

150 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:05:38pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

The fuckwads at Hot Air link to Patterico’s quote of LGF instead of directly to LGF.

151 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:06:04pm

Given how much Bedell left as far as a trail around the ‘net there shouldn’t be much guessing as to his ideological slants.

One of the essays on one of his websites is an invective against socialism. His audios are rants against inefficient government. Just because he also appears to be fond of weed doesn’t make him “left”.

He really was a Libertarian Fundamentalist of the type behind many Tea Parties.

152 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:06:51pm

re: #108 JustJay

Yup. **A** “leftist Jewish feminist” you’ve referenced puts all feminists and all leftists and all Jews into that category.

Maybe you didn’t notice my post about Ontario almost passing a form of Sharia Law under a Liberal government. I’d say that was HUGE. How can you simply ignore something so contrary to separation of religion and State? You are not noticing what I am really writing. Pay attention instead of just trying to be all witty.

153 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:10:06pm

Be back around lunch, est.
:)

154 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:10:34pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

The fuckwads at Hot Air link to Patterico’s quote of LGF instead of directly to LGF.

Ha! That’s too much. Ace is saying “Patterico did the leg work here.” Yeah, he transcribed it. It was actually Freetoken that found the audio.

155 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:10:49pm

Here, read Bedell’s essay’s on this site:
[Link: rothbardix.blogspot.com…]

Do a search for “socialist” (3 occurrences).

The dude was a Libertarian Fundamentalist, which are so adored at the usual hate blogs.

156 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:11:48pm

HotAir, Malkin, etc. can spin all they want, but they are just liars.

Just out right deceivers.

157 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:12:27pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Ha! That’s too much. Ace is saying “Patterico did the leg work here.” Yeah, he transcribed it. It was actually Freetoken that found the audio.

Pathetic. It seems they’re also trying to work the angle of “He hated Bush so he can’t be a Tea Bagger”. Idiots.

158 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:12:38pm

re: #155 freetoken

Well, I’d like to take credit, but I just followed a link from the Kos Kids as provided by KT, then went to the links on that page.

159 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:13:31pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Pathetic. It seems they’re also trying to work the angle of “He hated Bush so he can’t be a Tea Bagger”. Idiots.

I guess they missed that part were Glenn Beck rails against Bush and even called him a liberal (progressive) in several cases. I guess Glenn Beck can’t be a Teabagger?

160 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:14:10pm

re: #158 freetoken

Well, I’d like to take credit, but I just followed a link from the Kos Kids as provided by KT, then went to the links on that page.

I stole the link from the KosKidz. If you’re stealing from me then you’re stealing twice over.
/It’s all good

161 Joanne  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:14:22pm

re: #152 yenta-fada

I wasn’t being witty in the least. You lumped a bunch of all from a single one. That’s not witty, it’s offensive.

Believe me, when I return from this biz trip I’ll ask my better half (a Canadian) about it. I find that, as stated, very hard to believe.

162 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:14:35pm

re: #116 Silvergirl

Alice opens tomorrow.

Looking forward to that, but alas, I have no shrooms to three-dee it into four-dee. Anyone know a good shaman in Baltimore?

163 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:15:48pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Actually, I did it to answer your question on how the Kos Kids would know that particular website belonged to Bedell.

164 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:16:07pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

I stole the link from the KosKidz. If you’re stealing from me then you’re stealing twice over.
/It’s all good

OK, fug it.

Bedell is still a truther Paulian of the Mises variety with a tendency towards Teabaggery. In the past tense since he’s dead now.

165 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:17:01pm

re: #159 Gus 802

I guess they missed that part were Glenn Beck rails against Bush and even called him a liberal (progressive) in several cases. I guess Glenn Beck can’t be a Teabagger?

“Bush were no good either” actually seems to be a common meme of the right these days, from what I’ve seen on various blogs

166 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:17:03pm

re: #163 freetoken

Actually, I did it to answer your question on how the Kos Kids would know that particular website belonged to Bedell.

I saw that. Thanks, I didn’t see the connection at first. I’m pretty sure that’s the guy.

167 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:18:37pm

re: #164 Gus 802

You would think Bedell’s rants against the size of government, the inefficiency of government, and how the government steals private property from individuals would be a dead giveaway.

But if the usual suspect righty bloggers just want to deny it… hey, who are we to stop them in their denial?

168 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:19:00pm

re: #165 Jimmah

“Bush were no good either” actually seems to be a common meme of the right these days, from what I’ve seen on various blogs

Guess they also missed the memo that Debra Medina, the Tea Party candidate for the Texas governor Republican primary, is a Truther.

169 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:19:32pm

It’s a pity these imbeciles fixate on Ludwig von Mises, who was a great economist and not at all deserving of the monsters who claim his paternity.

170 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:19:51pm

Night all :)

Youtube Video
171 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:19:56pm

New comment at Patterico:



7. I wonder if Mr. Bedell did any of his online shopping through Charles Johnson’s Amazon shop.

Comment by Fenway_Nation — 3/4/2010 @ 11:15 pm

172 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:20:09pm

re: #167 freetoken

You would think Bedell’s rants against the size of government, the inefficiency of government, and how the government steals private property from individuals would be a dead giveaway.

But if the usual suspect righty bloggers just want to deny it… hey, who are we to stop them in their denial?

Yeah, we’re going to see a lot of selective quotes from the “transcripts.” Perhaps one of us should do some transcribing.

173 freetoken  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:21:34pm

re: #172 Gus 802

The link I gave above (from KT, from the Kos Kids) essentially have the spoken/read essay, in printed form.

174 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:21:42pm

re: #171 freetoken

New comment at Patterico:

Oh, I see he’s already blocked. Reported that comment thinking he was still a member here.

175 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:24:57pm

re: #173 freetoken

The link I gave above (from KT, from the Kos Kids) essentially have the spoken/read essay, in printed form.

OK, I see it. Kind of slow here today. Here’s a perfect example:

The blatant violations of the Constitution’s limitations on the economic role of the government, accomplished through many subtle usurpations over many decades, are perhaps even more pernicious than, and are certainly a key motivation for, the violent seizure of the United States government.

In order to establish a firm basis for justice and sound government, the economic role of the government must be reexamined in every detail.

It must be recognized that arguments for government control of the economy, and government redistribution of economic resources, are generally misguided or even shameless lies to advance enslavement and conceal theft and murder.

Furthermore, it must, once again, be recognized that the most successful means to ensure justice, secure domestic tranquility, and promote prosperity is to ensure the security of private property.

I chopped that up into sentences from his last paragraph. It’s a typical example of Tea Party rhetoric and Constitutional Party rhetoric.

[Link: rothbardix.blogspot.com…]

176 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:25:46pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

What does it mean? Please keep in mind that I’m very seldom a fan of radical anything.

Hey DF. Quick post here as I have to talk to Jimmah— the ‘radical’ only refers to the Latin radicalis “of roots”. Radical Feminism seeks the source or root of women’s oppression and identifies it as being the source of all oppression everywhere— that is, that the oppression of women was the first sort of oppression in human history and is the model for all other forms of oppression.

It also locates the source or root of women’s oppression in biology— specifically, female sexuality and reproduction. It identifies the control of female sexuality and female reproductve life as central to the oppression of women. (this is not to deny that there are other forms of oppression, it just places the primary locus of the oppression of women as rooted there).

Consequently a radical feminist, at the very least, will believe that ensuring women’s sexual and reproductive autonomy is central to the liberation of women.

Some will go further and argue that the oppression of women is ‘worse’ than all other kinds of oppression. I don’t play that game; I’m not interested in grading who is oppressed more, and I’m opposed to oppression full stop, but that is a consequence of my being a humanist, not only a feminist.

But when we consider the world as a whole, and that women make up 51 percent of that world, and look at the condition of women worldwide, (which is also something a radical feminist is interested in, not merely women in the US, or western industrialised nations) there is no doubt that the oppression of women is more widespread than that of any other single group, and that’s purely a consequence of population stats.
Hope this helps.

177 Gus  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:27:51pm

His Facebook page has been taken down.

178 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:30:47pm

re: #176 iceweasel

Oh also you’ll find all kinds of infighting among groups that call themselves radical feminists over what that term means and what strategies to adopt. Some of the wacko anti-porn agitators of the 80’s would have called themselves radical feminists, but they were obsessed with controlling porn in the US, rather than, say, worrying about female circumscsion in africa and elsewhere. They also located the source of women’s oppression in porn, which is laughable.

Anyway that Jagger book on Feminist Theories is an excellent basic primary on feminism.

179 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:33:27pm

re: #176 iceweasel

That does indeed clarify things. Thank you.

180 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:37:21pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

That does indeed clarify things. Thank you.

No prob— the term is thrown around a lot and even people who have some notion of the varities of feminism tend to identify it with someone like, say, dworkin. (who in my opinion had like two good things to say, and a lot of crazy to say).

But the definition I gave, which is the central definition, would apply to someone like Mandy, I believe. I havne’t talked to her enough about feminism and lots of people who ARE feminists don’t like the word feminism. But honestly, given the concern I know she does have for women’s rights, esp in the areas of reproductive freedom and sexual autonomy, she’s one of us whether she knows it or not. :)
So are a lot of people here, actually!

181 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:37:39pm

Bye for a while, folks.

182 Lidane  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 12:25:36am

re: #94 eclectic infidel

Code Pink has always been rather insignificant.

FTFY.

If Code Pink and the rest of the anti-war left had any real power or influence in this country, would we ever have gone to war in Iraq in the first place?

People keep bringing them up as some sort of counterpoint to the radical groups on the right, but Code Pink were always marginal and were never taken seriously, even by the Democratic leadership.

183 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 12:36:52am

re: #171 freetoken

New comment at Patterico:

WTF?

When the hell did Fenway go off the rails?

184 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 12:58:01am

re: #182 Lidane

FTFY.

If Code Pink and the rest of the anti-war left had any real power or influence in this country, would we ever have gone to war in Iraq in the first place?

People keep bringing them up as some sort of counterpoint to the radical groups on the right, but Code Pink were always marginal and were never taken seriously, even by the Democratic leadership.

Exactly, thank you.

185 Marcus Dracon  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 1:40:11am

One less dirtbag.

186 captdiggs  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:01:19am

Apparently, this time it’s a far left 9/11 truther.
“said the case would be a step toward revealing the truth behind the 9/11 “demolitions.””
[Link: www.latimes.com…]

187 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:01:34am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

That does indeed clarify things. Thank you.

Hey DF- this is a dead thread and all, but just wanted to say:

When you’re dealing with philosophical theories of feminism, there are two central questions: 1) How are women oppressed and 2) What action do we take?
The answer you give to one informs the other. In terms of my answer to 2, I’m basically in the old liberal feminist tradition, in which ‘liberal’ doesn’t mean ‘left’, but ‘liberal’ in the sense all Americans share: liberal democracy, classically liberal, Enlightenment ideals. That is also just feminism full stop in many ways: it’s just humanism, and the ‘radical’ idea that women are people who should have all the same rights as men.

Liberal feminism advocates as the answer to 2 that we seek to redress wrongs legally, by ensuring women legally have all the same rights and protections as men, by advocating overturning laws that oppress women, and the like. But I am a radical feminist because I don’t agree that laws alone are the source or root of female oppression— there is much, much more at work, certain mindsets and ideas about women.

So, whether people know it or not, or like to use the term ‘feminist’ or not, everyone on this blog is a feminist, AFAIK, in the sense of being a humanist and committed to extending the American and Enlightenment ideas about equality to women as well as to men. Standard JS Mill stuff on the rights of women.

My original avatar quote here was from Rebecca West, and it was partly a joke because I do in fact know what feminism is, as well as a bit about the various versions of it, and I’m ripping on the way that the word is misunderstood and demonised and now rejected even by those who are feminists, but the sentiment stands and is one people would agree with:

I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute.

188 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:02:57am

re: #186 captdiggs

Being a truther doesn’t automatically make him left or far left. Sorry.

189 captdiggs  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:08:38am

re: #188 iceweasel

And being “anti-government” doesn’t make anyone automatically a “teabagger”.

But the fact is that the 9/11 “truth” moonbats are predominantly from the left.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

190 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:20:46am

re: #189 captdiggs

And being “anti-government” doesn’t make anyone automatically a “teabagger”.

But the fact is that the 9/11 “truth” moonbats are predominantly from the left.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

The teabaggers are the meeting point for the anti-gubbmint types.

Your Rassmussen Report link has already been throroughly debunked. I don’t see why I should once again do the research for someone else, but go look. Here’s the (paraphrased)question:
“Did Bush have knowledge of the 9-11 attacks in advance?”
There’s an insane truther way to read that question and answer Yes.
Here is the sane way to read it and answer Yes:
“I believe that Bush received, as Condoleeza Rice testified, a memo on August 8 entitled ‘Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the US”

Try harder.

191 Mike DeGuzman  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:22:08am

re: #22 Charles

If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.

What similarities does he have with the tea partiers?
Raised in a good family and educated in CA with a BS degree in physics.

192 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 5:31:38am

re: #191 Mike DeGuzman

What similarities does he have with the tea partiers?
Raised in a good family and educated in CA with a BS degree in physics.

Are you saying that all tea partiers were raised in bad families and have no education?
Because I think the tea partiers themselves would disagree with that, as would anyone observing the movement.

193 Mike DeGuzman  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 6:01:53am

re: #192 iceweasel

Are you saying that all tea partiers were raised in bad families and have no education?
Because I think the tea partiers themselves would disagree with that, as would anyone observing the movement.

No. I was wondering based on Bedell’s background why Charles said “If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.”

194 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 6:04:36am

re: #193 Mike DeGuzman

No. I was wondering based on Bedell’s background why Charles said “If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.”

Because if it’s the same guy with wiki page and audio linked in the post, the profile does fit.
AFAIK, the wiki page at least does look confirmed, just from the comments above by Gus802 in re: biographical detail.

195 ryannon  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 7:39:08am

re: #40 iceweasel

I have a problem with false equivalencies. Like anyone pretending that Code Pink, as wacko as they are, are anything like the crazy currently on the far extremist right.
That’s your problem right there, see. They aren’t exact opposites. You have to go back a couple of decades to see anything like the violence or rhetoric about violence on the left that we have all over the fringe right at the moment.

This guy could be anything, but as CJ noted, his profile so far fits the teabaggers rhetoric like a glove.
And let’s not pretend I’m denying that there aren’t violent random wackos on the left either. We did have the unibomber. But the anti-gubbmint types acting out right now are on the right.

Someone’s losing their sense of humor.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 7:39:10am

re: #8 pharmmajor

I checked Bedell’s wiki page, and I can’t say if he’s a right-wing extremist or a left-winger; his mangled thoughts seem to be all over the map.

That appears to be the new trend—Stack had similar characteristics. They seem to be free-form crazy people without strong central ideologies.

197 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 7:43:39am

re: #195 ryannon

Someone’s losing their sense of humor.

Someone’s making an idiotic argument.

198 ryannon  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 7:46:18am

re: #71 williwonka

The man believed that the Kennedy killing was done by the government, that the government controls the drug trade and stomps out the competition and caused 9/11.

Is it not enough to believe he was mentally disturbed?

Many on the left hold similar beliefs. Are those that do also mentally disturbed? No.

He wanted to create a new monetary standard based on Marijuana.

Why try to claim that mentally ill people represent any particular political point of view?


It’s the Suicide by Cop point of view.

Sounds pretty sad to me, the more I learn about this guy.

199 ryannon  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 7:49:47am

re: #197 iceweasel

Someone’s making an idiotic argument.

Joke, Ms. Iceweasel, joke. Something like irony…to even imagine those Code Pinkers with their pinky around the trigger of a gun at the entrance to the Pentagon: burlesque, satire, SNL stuff.

Oh, poo.

200 ryannon  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 7:58:53am

re: #195 ryannon

Someone’s losing their her sense of humor.

Grammatically correct.

You can downding it again to prove my point.

201 BlackFedora  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 8:15:36am

Total psy-op to discredit 9/11 truthers by the Illuminati. The Illuminati shills in the mainstream media will try to tie him to Ron Paul since Ron Paul is this close to blowing the Federal Reserve case wide open….

/sarcasm

All kidding aside. Its bad enough that people kill their brain cells with 9/11 truth and other paranoid nonsense but when innocent people get hurt because of it…. its pretty damn disgusting.

202 Decider  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 8:33:36am

Betcha he was a avid Glenn Beck fan.

203 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:04:25am

Sounds more like an Olbermann kinda guy to me.

BTW Wikipedia scrubbed his page.

204 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:05:22am

And the archive.org wayback machine is unable to retrieve it.

205 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:23:03am

Was the Times Square Recruitment Center Bombing the Right or the Left?

206 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:26:06am

Who sent the threatening letters with white powder to members of Congress?

Was that the right or the left?

207 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:28:26am

Here is my theory…

The political spectrum is not a LINE, but a circle.

At the bottom of the circle is the “center”… as you move either left or right, you circle back and both meet at the top….Crazy street.


If the Unbomber was acting today, the press would label him a Tea Party guy.

208 BlackFedora  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:38:26am

Its not left or right. Its just fuckin’ wrong and insane. For the record… this Pentagon guy is beyond Tea Partier I think… he’s in Alex Jones/Jeff Rense/Webster Tarpley territory.

209 BlackFedora  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:39:53am

Eh.. on the other hand Alex Jones territory would be right wing.

210 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:39:54am

re: #208 BlackFedora

Its not left or right. Its just fuckin’ wrong and insane. For the record… this Pentagon guy is beyond Tea Partier I think… he’s in Alex Jones/Jeff Rense/Webster Tarpley territory.

And those viewpoints are everywhere at tea parties.

211 BlackFedora  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:40:40am

re: #210 Charles

True enough.

212 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:40:42am

re: #193 Mike DeGuzman

No. I was wondering based on Bedell’s background why Charles said “If this is the same guy, his profile fits the tea partiers like a glove.”

Because it does.

213 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:41:13am

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

That appears to be the new trend—Stack had similar characteristics. They seem to be free-form crazy people without strong central ideologies.

And that’s a perfect description of the tea parties too.

214 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:43:36am

And of course, the right wing blogosphere is in full-throated denial too.

215 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:46:14am

re: #189 captdiggs

And being “anti-government” doesn’t make anyone automatically a “teabagger”.

But the fact is that the 9/11 “truth” moonbats are predominantly from the left.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

That poll is completely ridiculous, and it certainly does NOT show that “most Truthers are on the left.” The question is whether the Bush administration “knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.” That’s a sloppy question that can be interpreted in many different ways, and using this to back up your claim is silly.

216 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:46:14am

re: #206 Buck

Who sent the threatening letters with white powder to members of Congress?

Was that the right or the left?

That would be a lone psycho by name of Ivins, who had massive psych problems.
FBI released the official reports last week. Here’s the pdf— you can get it from this article or the FBI site yourself.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Not political in any sense; the guy was motivated by 1) losing funding for his anthrax vaccine, and 2) mental illness and obsession.

217 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:47:51am

By the way, the John Birch Society also promotes 9/11 Trutherism. Are they “left wing?”

And of course, they’ve been welcomed back into the right wing with open arms.

218 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:49:57am

re: #217 Charles

By the way, the John Birch Society also promotes 9/11 Trutherism. Are they “left wing?”

And of course, they’ve been welcomed back into the right wing with open arms.

Everyone who ‘hates Bush’ or was a troofer is now defacto “left”. That is the meme.

219 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:52:41am

re: #218 iceweasel

Everyone who ‘hates Bush’ or was a troofer is now defacto “left”. That is the meme.

and everyone who hates Obama and is a Birther is now defacto “right”.

220 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:54:06am

Are the “legalize Marijuana” groups right or left?

221 BlackFedora  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:57:14am

Someone at the JREF forum got to his Wikipedia userpage before they blanked..

JREF post with the text of shooter’s Wikipedia user page

222 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 9:59:51am

re: #219 Buck

and everyone who hates Obama and is a Birther is now defacto “right”.

Yeah, look at all those bills introduced by angry Dems demanding the nirth certifikat…
Oh wait.

OK, let’s look at the massive lefty uprising hating on Obama even before he was elected, a tidal wave of Obama-hate that swore they’d vote for McCain if Obama got the nom, and when the whitey tape comes out…

Oh yeah, none of that happened either.

Jesus. You didn’t even know what was happening with the anthrax case, even though it was headline news last year when the guy killed himself, even though it was headline news not two weeks ago when the FBI released all the docs.

There is no point in talking to a person who doesn’t even know current events and mindlessly repeats madeup shit.

223 Lidane  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:03:09am

re: #220 Buck

Are the “legalize Marijuana” groups right or left?

Since when is legalizing weed a left or right issue? I’ve seen arguments on both sides for it. Hell, William F. Buckley favored legalization, and he wasn’t exactly a bleeding heart.

224 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:10:49am

re: #222 iceweasel

Yeah, look at all those bills introduced by angry Dems demanding the nirth certifikat…
Oh wait.

You are missing the point…. look at all the impeach Bush, arrest Bush talk from angry Dems….

All the Bush is controlled by Rove and used electronic voting machines to fix the vote by angry Dems?

Did that happen?


See my #207….

There is no point in talking to a person who doesn’t even know current events and mindlessly repeats madeup shit.

FU

225 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:15:23am

re: #223 Lidane

Since when is legalizing weed a left or right issue? I’ve seen arguments on both sides for it. Hell, William F. Buckley favored legalization, and he wasn’t exactly a bleeding heart.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that these nut cases can’t fit perfectly into the “right” hole everyone wants to place them.

They are anti government, so they must be right wing….

However dig a little deeper and the wackos take a little from the left and a little from the right.

A great majority of the legalize MJ crowd is left wing…. the first Birthers were democrats (left wing?).

See my #207

226 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:16:42am

re: #224 Buck

FU

Nice.
Look at the new post about the SPLC, hater.

227 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:20:10am

re: #224 Buck

You are missing the point… look at all the impeach Bush, arrest Bush talk from angry Dems…

All the Bush is controlled by Rove and used electronic voting machines to fix the vote by angry Dems?

Did that happen?

You are missing the point of the fact that it is and was legitimate to demand Bush’s impeachment - particularly once you set the standard of impeachment at the level of an illicit blow job.

He absolutely and demonstrably lied about the atomic activities in Iraq.

He violated US law to unlawfully spy on American citizens.

He violated US law on the treatment of prisoners. I am sorry, but it is not legal to torture people. Everyone knows that. This is why the right wing spent so much energy trying to redefine what torture is. And even without going into that can of worms, flying people to Syria to be tortured involves things that no one would call not torture.

Those three in of themselves are impeachable.

228 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:27:21am

re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

You are missing the point of the fact that it is and was legitimate to demand Bush’s impeachment - particularly once you set the standard of impeachment at the level of an illicit blow job.

Did anyone set the standard there? Or was it lying under oath about it.

IF ANY OF THE OTHER CRAP you cite were actually true…then they would have impeached him. AND I would have supported that. I could take each issue one by one, and argue them, but that would take me off topic. Except to say that you demonstrate clearly that conspiracies spouted by the loony left are “legitimate”….

Wackos are nuts….

See my #207

229 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:30:08am

re: #226 iceweasel

Nice..

It was in response to your attacking/ personal / insulting comment.

But you demonstrate that you can dish it out pretty good, but have very thin skin when it is directed back at you.

230 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:33:28am

re: #229 Buck

It was in response to your attacking/ personal / insulting comment.

But you demonstrate that you can dish it out pretty good, but have very thin skin when it is directed back at you.

You’re continuing to demonstrate you have no interest in facts.

Read anything about Ivins yet? You were so very eager to bring up the antrhax bomber, and yet you didn’t even know the news released last year, let alone last week.

And check out the SPLC report that is in the top thread now, when you feel like dealing with actual news and not just regurgitating memes.

231 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:50:19am

re: #230 iceweasel

Read anything about Ivins yet? You were so very eager to bring up the antrhax bomber, and yet you didn’t even know the news released last year, let alone last week.

You know sometimes when people ask a question, they are really just putting information out there.

So when I ask “Who sent the threatening letters with white powder to members of Congress? Was that the right or the left?”

I actually KNOW who people now think sent them, and that it isn’t easy to place that act on the political scale. That is the point.

If the reason why you can’t place the white powder threats to CONGRESS on a political scale is that the guy was mentally disturbed… then I suppose you have to think the guy who flew his airplane into the IRS building was perfectly sane….

Anyway… you keep insulting me, and throwing flame bombs….it says more about your ignorance than mine.

232 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:51:55am

re: #231 Buck

You know sometimes when people ask a question, they are really just putting information out there.

So when I ask “Who sent the threatening letters with white powder to members of Congress? Was that the right or the left?”

I actually KNOW who people now think sent them, and that it isn’t easy to place that act on the political scale. That is the point..

If you’d read the FBI reports on Ivins you’d know it wasn’t political at all. In any way.
Not ‘hard to place’.
That is the point.

233 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 11:06:51am

re: #228 Buck

Umm everything there was true, and even by your standards, and assuming you are correct in the fullest possible way about standards of impeachment, lying about a BJ is much less awful than lying about spying on Americans, lying about torture and lying to start a war.

234 Buck  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 12:40:48pm

re: #233 LudwigVanQuixote

lying about spying on Americans, lying about torture and lying to start a war.

Look, you obviously have an opinion about what the Bush administration said, or didn’t say. You, Code Pink, Rosie O’Donnel and should have a good time with that. The lack of actual evidence is the only thing stopping you guys from moving forward. Personally I don’t see any difference between that crap and Birthers, but hey again… good luck.

Perjury is a crime…. if it about a blow job or a bank robbery. It isn’t the act that you are denying that matters, but the willful act of swearing a false oath.

Clinton was a lawyer, and he knew what he was doing, and what he should have done.

I personally don’t care about the blow job…. The work place sexual harassment and perjury means more…. BUT clearly on the left that stuff doesn’t matter (See David Letterman).

235 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Mar 5, 2010 1:51:08pm

re: #234 Buck

Torturing prisoners is a crime, for the president to violate the will of congress with illegal spying on Americans was a crime. Lying to start a war on false pretenses may not be a crime, but it should be.


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