Shocka! Glenn Beck Says Geert Wilders is ‘Far Right’, and the Far Right is ‘Fascist’

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The wingnut blogosphere is in full shrieking harpy mode over Glenn Beck’s statement about anti-Muslim Dutch MP Geert Wilders (who wants to ban the Koran and make Islam itself illegal).

This is one of those Bizarro days, because I actually find myself agreeing with Glenn Beck. Geert Wilders is a far right ideologue, and the European far right does often equal fascism. How the heck did Beck ever get this one right?

Of course, he also confuses Dominique de Villepin (a leftist-centist by US standards) with Jean-Marie Le Pen (a far right Holocaust denier by anyone’s standards), so it could have been a shot in the dark.

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1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:15:12pm

Of Stopped Clocks and Blind Squirrels

2 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:17:18pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

Of Stopped Clocks and Blind Squirrels

Stopped clocks are right at least twice a day...Beck's not. And while a blind squirrel can find a nut, I don't think Beck can find his own.

3 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:17:46pm

I don't mind the calligraphy and the blue tiled onion domes, and the really objectionable parts of some of Islam are already illegal in this country anyway.

4 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:17:48pm

Even a broken clock....

5 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:17:50pm

I agree with Slumbering Behemoth and even more shockingly with Glenn Beck for once. This economic tail spin probably has a lot in common with the last one which helped give rise to Hitler.

Not saying it will again but I'm sure we've all heard how "extreme times call for extreme measures."

6 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:18:03pm
Of course, he also confuses Dominique de Villepin (a leftist) with Jean-Marie Le Pen (a far right Holocaust denier), so it could have been a shot in the dark.

Easy to do. They're both men.

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7 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:19:14pm

Who the hell runs Atlas Shrugs?

Why would he stigmatize Wilders this way? Wilders is the embodiment of what our founding fathers extolled.

Are they fucking serious?

8 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:19:30pm

A broken clock is a broken clock. Nothing more, nothing less.


:P

9 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:19:39pm

Can we trust what Beck has to say? What if he's just being an opportunist? As for Geert Wilders, he's popular in his own circles but I see him as a passing fancy of the disenfranchised and otherwise paranoid.

10 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:19:45pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

Of Stopped Clocks and Blind Squirrels

Of Cabbages and Kings. :D

11 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:20:18pm

But the Fascists were all a bunch of leftists, so...

He's going to need a 3D chalkboard.

12 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:20:34pm

re: #4 ryannon

Not if its hands fell off.

13 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:20:59pm

God how I wish Shrieks had a Jennycam. Hilarity would ensue.

(Especially if Robert were there for a "visit".)

14 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:21:10pm

Love the train set on his blackboard.

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:21:30pm

re: #5 jamesfirecat

The populist movements in the U.S., with the whole "I want my country back/return to our former glory" nonsense concerns me more than what is going on in Europe.

16 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:21:57pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

God how I wish Shrieks had a Jennycam. Hilarity would ensue.

(Especially if Robert were there for a "visit".)

I don't really want to see her giving Spencer "service". (define that as you want)

17 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:22:01pm

"Wilders is the embodiment of what our founding fathers extolled."

Um. Wow. The Founding Fathers extolled intolerance and stupidity? Someone tap Locke and Rousseau on the knee, the kegs almost empty.

18 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:22:24pm

re: #8 Varek Raith

A broken clock is a broken clock. Nothing more, nothing less.

:P

If someone whacks you upside the head with a broken clock, it's something more.

19 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:22:34pm

re: #7 darthstar

Who the hell runs Atlas Shrugs?

Are they fucking serious?

Pamela Geller - and no she's fucking serial.

20 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:23:06pm

re: #3 Ojoe

I don't mind the calligraphy and the blue tiled onion domes, and the really objectionable parts of some of Islam are already illegal in this country anyway.

How can you hate Minarets? Those things are nice! I think arcitecturere: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

The populist movements in the U.S., with the whole "I want my country back/return to our former glory" nonsense concerns me more than what is going on in Europe.

Not saying we don't have problems of our own, I'm just saying at the moment it seems like more or less the entire world is f***ed....

21 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:23:10pm

re: #18 cliffster

If someone whacks you upside the head with a broken clock, it's something more.

Indeed. It's an assault charge!
;)

22 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:23:47pm

This is a curious development. Beck has had Geert on his show a few times and always seemed to praise him. Beck and his staff are pretty obviously clueless about European politics. It is a complicated subject. I suspect this might be an early reaction against the old Neo-Con right, most of whom still idolize Geert and the counter-Jihad movement. I think this might be a general move towards the more libertarian/Paulian type move on his part. I also strongly suspect that Beck gets much of these talking points from other people. Beck might not understand what he's doing, he's just advancing someone else's agenda.

23 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:24:25pm

To restore the balance of the universe, here is a Beck steal from FrumForum, in which Herr Hedgehog tells members to abandon churches that preach "social justice".

[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

24 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:24:37pm

re: #19 Jimmah

Pamela Geller - and no she's fucking serial.

You'll catch more flies with a dog shit then honey.

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:24:38pm

re: #11 Obdicut

But the Fascists were all a bunch of leftists, so...

He's going to need a 3D chalkboard.

Heh, good point. He blew his revisionist left/right thing here.

26 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:24:56pm

Teh Screeming Medoosa:

Was Beck saying that the UK was right to ban Wilders in the interest of "community harmony?" And the fatc [sic] that he was allowed to enter the UK last week was a dire sign?

I would offer Pam my expert editing services, but I can't just work for vodka.

27 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:25:35pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

To restore the balance of the universe, here is a Beck steal from FrumForum, in which Herr Hedgehog tells members to abandon churches that preach "social justice".

[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Yeah,, that's another Birch Society thing. They opposed the civil rights movement because they thought it was a communist plot.

28 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:25:38pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Minarets are cool. The Taj Mahal has 4 of them. They are built with a slight outward tilt so that should they ever fall, the will not hit the main structure.

BBL

29 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:25:42pm

re: #3 Ojoe

I don't mind the calligraphy and the blue tiled onion domes, and the really objectionable parts of some of Islam are already illegal in this country anyway.

"Minarets? The beautiful onion like tower thingys? You band those? Minarets, steeples. I gotta tell yah, architecture might be my favorite part about religion!"

Jon Stewart

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:26:01pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

The vodka is spoken for, you'd be working for left-over spray tan.

31 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:26:08pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Teh Screeming Medoosa:

How about tequila?

32 The Curmudgeon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:26:38pm

Maybe Beck has had his Sister Souljah moment.

33 Kragar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:26:43pm

As much nonsense and incoherent gibberish that comes from Beck, he was bound to string along a series of words that turned out to be a factual statement eventually. An infinite amount of Glenn Becks could produce the works of Shakespeare and all that.

34 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:26:53pm

re: #31 cliffster

How about tequila?

Noes. Cato the Ogre needs cheeze.

35 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:27:32pm

re: #34 Cato the Elder

And no sloppy seconds.

36 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:28:03pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

This is a curious development. Beck has had Geert on his show a few times and always seemed to praise him. Beck and his staff are pretty obviously clueless about European politics. It is a complicated subject. I suspect this might be an early reaction against the old Neo-Con right, most of whom still idolize Geert and the counter-Jihad movement. I think this might be a general move towards the more libertarian/Paulian type move on his part. I also strongly suspect that Beck gets much of these talking points from other people. Beck might not understand what he's doing, he's just advancing someone else's agenda.

Yes, Donald O'Connor's

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37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:28:32pm

re: #7 darthstar

Who the hell runs Atlas Shrugs?

Are they fucking serious?

A rather stressed-out Bond-film extra, and yes, they're completely serious.

38 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:29:14pm
39 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:29:40pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

A rather stressed-out Bond-film extra, and yes, they're completely serious.

Pam would suck the chrome off a tailpipe for attention.

40 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:29:43pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

This is a curious development. Beck has had Geert on his show a few times and always seemed to praise him.

Right -- which makes this statement very weird. I wouldn't be surprised if he retracts it on his next show, because you can bet that the anti-Muslim blogosphere is burning up his email Inbox with angry comments.

41 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:32:57pm

re: #40 Charles

"Geert Wilders is the last best hoop for Westurn syphilisation, you tool! I'm cancelling my book order if youse do'nt subtract!"

42 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:33:37pm

re: #40 Charles

Right -- which makes this statement very weird. I wouldn't be surprised if he retracts it on his next show, because you can bet that the anti-Muslim blogosphere is burning up his email Inbox with angry comments.

He might well do that, but I hope he does not. He'd do himself some credit by sticking to the truth.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:34:08pm

re: #41 Cato the Elder

syphilisation

LOL! +1

44 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:34:36pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL! +1

Make that +2

45 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:34:56pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL! +1

Stolen from James Joyce, natch.

46 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:36:08pm

L8R G8TRS

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:36:16pm

re: #41 Cato the Elder

"Geert Wilders is the last best hoop for Westurn syphilisation, you tool! I'm cancelling my book order if youse do'nt subtract!"

I know this is ridiculous, but if people are going to put their faith into some sort of half-baked right-wing icon like this, I would far rather it be a good, gormless, Mormon boy like Glenn Beck than some seedy Eurotrash fascist like Wilders. Just saying. If I have to choose, there is no contest.

48 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:36:33pm

the comments at geller's site are the best right now.

49 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:36:43pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I know this is ridiculous, but if people are going to put their faith into some sort of half-baked right-wing icon like this, I would far rather it be a good, gormless, Mormon boy like Glenn Beck than some seedy Eurotrash fascist like Wilders. Just saying. If I have to choose, there is no contest.

Quite Concur.

50 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:37:08pm

You are right Mr. Beck, we should "watch the crazy fringe groups."

Got one eye on your there, pally boy.

51 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:37:11pm

Perhaps the fellow's got the dosages just right here lately? I mean, this is a step in the right direction, after all.

52 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:37:15pm

re: #48 spacejesus

the comments at geller's site are the best right now.

Got any choice morsels of crazy?

53 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:37:53pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Got any choice morsels of crazy?

Satay would be nice. That peanut sauce....

54 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:38:19pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

Mmmhmm. At least Beck's lunacy is out there in the open for anyone to see.

Gilders is insidious.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:38:19pm

re: #48 spacejesus

the comments at geller's site are the best right now.

Pam's scared.

56 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:38:21pm

OT -

Nice little mini-genocide going on in Nigeria, courtesy of the ROP:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

57 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:38:54pm

A blue tiled onion dome in Isfahan.

58 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:39:24pm

re: #57 Ojoe

A blue tiled onion dome in Isfahan.

Stunning beauty, simply stunning.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:39:48pm

re: #54 erraticsphinx

Mmmhmm. At least Beck's lunacy is out there in the open for anyone to see.

Gilders is insidious.

Also, I don't think that in his heart of hearts, Beck wants to hurt anyone. He may encourage people who may hurt people, but that's not the point.

That's the point with Wilders.

60 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:40:15pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding for "gormless". A word Joyce loved.

Google "gorbellied".

61 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:40:37pm

re: #56 ryannon

OT -

Nice little mini-genocide going on in Nigeria, courtesy of the ROP:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

It's not the religion of peace, it is a few radical members of the religion.

62 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:40:48pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam's scared.

She's too drunk to be scared.

63 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:41:08pm
64 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:41:25pm

My haid is asploded too.

65 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:41:41pm

Hey, Killgore: somebody just posted at Richard Metzger's site that I "sent you to another blog to post racist comments so I could use them to smear that blog later."

Good grief. They're really swarming over there now.

[Link: www.dangerousminds.net...]

66 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:42:32pm

re: #56 ryannon

This latest attack has been mostly Christians dead. I don't think it's that simple, though. It has been going on for many years, and both sides have done their share of killing.

67 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:42:38pm

re: #56 ryannon

OT -

Nice little mini-genocide going on in Nigeria, courtesy of the ROP:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

The fact is that Muslims and Christians have been killing each other in Nigeria for years now. Neither side is blameless; they both perpetrate horrific massacres.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:42:51pm

From newinnewark, at Atlas Shrugs: Glenn Beck is a fraud and a traitor. He scorns those who question Obo's eligibilty. He is not the same broadcaster from 5 years ago.

69 Stonemason  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:43:09pm

Wow...hmm, here at LGF this was discovered what, two? three years ago?

Right about the same time I stopped listening to Beck.

70 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:43:10pm

re: #48 spacejesus

the comments at geller's site are the best right now.

It seems many think Fox News is about to, or has already started, to betray them.

I don't know about you, but that makes me laugh.

71 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:43:24pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Got any choice morsels of crazy?

every single one of them actually.

72 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:43:28pm

re: #63 MikeySDCA

One of my architecture professors back in the day traveled to Iran & took photos of a lot of those buildings for the history classes. But you couldn't so easily go there & take photos today. It's sad really.

73 recusancy  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:43:40pm

A few years ago I watched a video of Pamela Gellar. I think Jesus General linked to it and I didn't read the caption, I guess, because I watched the whole video and thought it was supposed to be a spoof, like Jesus General is. Turns out I was horribly wrong.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:44:04pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

From newinnewark, at Atlas Shrugs: Glenn Beck is a fraud and a traitor. He scorns those who question Obo's eligibilty. He is not the same broadcaster from 5 years ago.

From Laura Liebman: This comes as no surprise since he works for Saudi compromised FOX news. Geert Wilders is fighting AGAINST fascism.

75 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:44:12pm

Well, folks, I'm gonna be sorta kinda outta pocket here before too awful long. Moving in about 3 weeks; I'll be driving around then (you folk commuting the San Antonio/San Marcos corridor keep an eye peeled for a nervous sweaty guy driving 30 or so mph on the frontage road. he'll be in either an old volvo 240 - you'll recognize it 'cause all the hippy bumper stickers will be missing, or else and ancient mercedes - which you'll recognize because it'll be going even more slowly than one would otherwise expect and belching out diesel fumes. You see a car matching that description - give the guy WIDE berth.) and, what with one thing an another, and living outta boxes till we unpack, I won't be able to sun myself on the warm stone that is LGF for a little while.

Once I'm settled in and have buried myself like a tick in small-town life, I'll stop by to gloat and encourage others to undertake a RADICAL downsizing now to build wealth and have a real life worth living in the meantime. - Said the rightist.

76 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:45:15pm
77 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:45:18pm

re: #70 soap_man

It seems many think Fox News is about to, or has already started, to betray them.

I don't know about you, but that makes me laugh.

how is that possible for a news organization that is as hardcore rightwing as fox is... oh wait.. these people are beyond even that.

fucking scary shit.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:45:25pm

Makes you wonder who really pulls the strings at Fox....

...muses sheik yer'mami

79 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:45:45pm

re: #56 ryannon

OT -

Nice little mini-genocide going on in Nigeria, courtesy of the ROP:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Not genocide quite yet, the violence is back-and-forth between the Christians and the Muslims. But in decades past they got along just fine, before the Saudis exported Wahabist imams to found fundamentalist madrassas in Nigeria. This present strife is the fruit of that tree.

80 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:45:47pm

re: #61 Walter L. Newton

It's not the religion of peace, it is a few whole lotta radical members of the religion.

FTFY

81 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:06pm

re: #19 Jimmah

Pamela Geller - and no she's fucking serial.

more like fucking surreal

82 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:12pm

re: #67 Charles

The fact is that Muslims and Christians have been killing each other in Nigeria for years now. Neither side is blameless; they both perpetrate horrific massacres.

It's decades on the Jos Plateau now - prior to the 200 xtians being killed 300 muslims were killed, and it's really more tribal than religious.

/at least that's what the vatican says...

83 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:14pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

Well, folks, I'm gonna be sorta kinda outta pocket here before too awful long. Moving in about 3 weeks; I'll be driving around then (you folk commuting the San Antonio/San Marcos corridor keep an eye peeled for a nervous sweaty guy driving 30 or so mph on the frontage road. he'll be in either an old volvo 240 - you'll recognize it 'cause all the hippy bumper stickers will be missing, or else and ancient mercedes - which you'll recognize because it'll be going even more slowly than one would otherwise expect and belching out diesel fumes. You see a car matching that description - give the guy WIDE berth.) and, what with one thing an another, and living outta boxes till we unpack, I won't be able to sun myself on the warm stone that is LGF for a little while.

Once I'm settled in and have buried myself like a tick in small-town life, I'll stop by to gloat and encourage others to undertake a RADICAL downsizing now to build wealth and have a real life worth living in the meantime. - Said the rightist.

Godspeed.

84 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:15pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

keep an eye peeled for a nervous sweaty guy driving 30 or so mph on the frontage road. he'll be in either an old volvo 240 - you'll recognize it 'cause all the hippy bumper stickers will be missing, or else and ancient mercedes - which you'll recognize because it'll be going even more slowly than one would otherwise expect and belching out diesel fumes. You see a car matching that description - give the guy WIDE berth.)

You are just learning to drive, right? Or you haven't in years? Hoo boy.

85 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:17pm

Any disaffected Tea Partiers can join my new T-Shirt Party.

Full address at latest T-Shirt Nation congress (price: $100,000, and I'm not giving it back): "As the bumper-sticker goes, so goes the nation."

Cash only.

86 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:51pm
87 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:46:53pm

re: #40 Charles

Right -- which makes this statement very weird. I wouldn't be surprised if he retracts it on his next show, because you can bet that the anti-Muslim blogosphere is burning up his email Inbox with angry comments.

You might be right. He obviously botched the fact about Le Penn and I'm pretty confident he has no clue what he's talking about. That makes me think someone gave him this talking point. He might retract and say he was misinformed but he also might stick to his guns. The Whackosphere is up for grabs these days and he might think it's time to advance whatever agenda he has. We'll see.

88 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:47:05pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

You are just learning to drive, right? Or you haven't in years? Hoo boy.

Driven a total of five times in my life - never with a license. had a police escort once, but that all got cleared up in court.

89 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:47:42pm

re: #40 Charles

Right -- which makes this statement very weird. I wouldn't be surprised if he retracts it on his next show, because you can bet that the anti-Muslim blogosphere is burning up his email Inbox with angry comments.

Pam's fans have already decided Beck is too far left for them, he'd better back track.

90 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:47:47pm

re: #88 Guanxi88

Driven a total of five times in my life - never with a license. had a police escort once, but that all got cleared up in court.

Best drive-by (no pun intended, honestly) comment today.

91 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:48:43pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

He might well do that, but I hope he does not. He'd do himself some credit by sticking to the truth.

Although he's technically correct in labeling Geert a fascist, anti-freedom type dude, I'm pretty sure he arrived at that conclusion for the wrong reasons. I don't see any chance of Beck becoming the voice of reason.

92 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:50:24pm

re: #67 Charles

The fact is that Muslims and Christians have been killing each other in Nigeria for years now. Neither side is blameless; they both perpetrate horrific massacres.

True dat Charles...

93 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:50:36pm

re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

Not genocide quite yet, the violence is back-and-forth between the Christians and the Muslims. But in decades past they got along just fine, before the Saudis exported Wahabist imams to found fundamentalist madrassas in Nigeria. This present strife is the fruit of that tree.

Yep. The Saudis bankroll a lot of radicalism. I cannot, however, for the life of me figure out what to do about it.

94 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:50:53pm
95 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:51:10pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Although he's technically correct in labeling Geert a fascist, anti-freedom type dude, I'm pretty sure he arrived at that conclusion for the wrong reasons. I don't see any chance of Beck becoming the voice of reason.

Nor do I.

96 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:51:13pm

re: #65 Charles

Hey, Killgore: somebody just posted at Richard Metzger's site that I "sent you to another blog to post racist comments so I could use them to smear that blog later."

Good grief. They're really swarming over there now.

[Link: www.dangerousminds.net...]

Ugh. That's a myth that isn't going to die anytime soon.

97 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:51:39pm

re: #67 Charles

The fact is that Muslims and Christians have been killing each other in Nigeria for years now. Neither side is blameless; they both perpetrate horrific massacres.

Unfortunately true.

But I can't remember when I last read about it being the other way around - in whatever country. It's an ugly, unacceptable thing no matter who's doing it. And I'd post the information just as I did with this item.

As for the ROP, I'm fine with Walter's "a few radical members of the religion", henceforth to be known as AFRMOTR.

98 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:52:19pm

re: #88 Guanxi88

Driven a total of five times in my life - never with a license. had a police escort once, but that all got cleared up in court.

The escort was for the time I drove my employer the wrong way in a 93 Buick park Avenue Ultra through harvard Square and down to the hospital. It turns out that knowing how to walk from one place to another doesn't always translate into having a good set of driving directions.

Fortunately, Cambridge PD, sensing - as only trained officers of the law could - that this was some sort of emergency situation, were kind enough to drive behind me with lights and sirens going, to encourage others to open a way for us.

Oh, and that was the first and only time I ever had a gun pulled on me by an officer, and only the second time I was ever threatened with a taser.

99 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:53:49pm

Beck's in trouble with the base (from the comments on Shrieks's site):

Those who posted to say that Beck and O'Reilly are sell-outs [sic] are right. I was a Glenn Beck radio listener for years and watched his program on Fox the first year. He pissed me off when he called "birthers" extremists and loons.

Oh my. Lions and tigers and bores.

100 recusancy  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:53:51pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Yep. The Saudis bankroll a lot of radicalism. I cannot, however, for the life of me figure out what to do about it.

Liberalism always wins out over time. It's just a matter of how much time.

101 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:53:52pm

re: #98 Guanxi88

Witnesses phone in that a young man in a dark suit, dark hat, and long overcoat had picked up an elderly gentleman and thrown him into the back of big black sedan and drove off in a reckless manner. All of which was true, but not exhaustive.

102 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:54:55pm

re: #98 Guanxi88

Oh, and that was the first and only time I ever had a gun pulled on me by an officer, and only the second time I was ever threatened with a taser.

I got that beat.

103 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:56:17pm

re: #102 Racer X

I got that beat.

let's have it. i just spent 10 freakin' hours with auditors (not the Church of the Litigious Lunatics kinda auditors, but rather the CPA ones). I could use a good story.

104 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:56:42pm

re: #48 spacejesus

the comments at geller's site are the best right now.

She has more than one comment on the post? Wow - this must be serious.

105 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:56:44pm

re: #102 Racer X

I got that beat.

You've been tazed?!!

106 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:57:22pm

re: #98 Guanxi88

Oh, and that was the first and only time I ever had a gun pulled on me by an officer, and only the second time I was ever threatened with a taser.

bolded the buried nugget in the story...

107 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:57:38pm

re: #102 Racer X

I got that beat.


What has happened to make you say that?

108 van helsing  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:57:58pm

re: #103 Guanxi88

let's have it. i just spent 10 freakin' hours with auditors (not the Church of the Litigious Lunatics kinda auditors, but rather the CPA ones). I could use a good story.

You're giving up that kind of fun for small town life?

109 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #102 Racer X

I got that beat.

Hmm, I recall a poster on LGF commenting that he had tased himself...
Was that you?

110 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:59:44pm

re: #106 Aceofwhat?

bolded the buried nugget in the story...

Drunken misidentification. Thought a lady was one person, turned out, she was another.

"Get the f*ck back!" she said, whipping out her tazer.

"Whoa! Hey! I thought you were somebody else!"

And then she started sparking the damned thing and advancing on me. (Which, by the way, is the thing to do to convey how serious you are about it.)

I could tell this lady was one of those folk who was eager to test the damned thing out already, and so, with a tip of my hat, I bade her a good evening and sprinted across traffic to the other side of the street.

111 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:01:14pm

re: #108 van helsing

You're giving up that kind of fun for small town life?

I know, everybody around me keeps questioning the wisdom of the thing, but I look at how they live, and realize that, even as i warn the younger employees: "Hey, look at me. This is you in ten years if you don't get your shit together now," they could easily do the same for me, but are too embittered (crab-bucket) to do so.

112 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:02:10pm

Glenn Beck on Massa: “This is a moment that will decide the course of this nation, possibly” Someone watch and tell me about it.

113 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:02:28pm

re: #101 Guanxi88

Witnesses phone in that a young man in a dark suit, dark hat, and long overcoat

re: #110 Guanxi88
with a tip of my hat, I bade her a good evening


I'm getting this image of you...

114 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:02:46pm

Charles, can you ask LuLu to do something about the review comments on the LGF calender? They are obviously ex LGF posters with axes to grind.

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:03:39pm

re: #114 prairiefire

Charles, can you ask LuLu to do something about the review comments on the LGF calender? They are obviously ex LGF posters with axes to grind.

Who's LuLu?

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:03:44pm

What ever happened to Glenn Beck's major super rally in Washington on the anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream" speech? Is he still planning on it? I suspect we might not hear of it again.

117 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:04:10pm

re: #111 Guanxi88

No, you are doing the right thing! Settle in for the long hall and bank some cash. In 20 years, you will have the last laugh.

118 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:04:19pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

What ever happened to Glenn Beck's major super rally in Washington on the anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream" speech? Is he still planning on it? I suspect we might not hear of it again.

It's being planned. Working on sponsors. (I'll dig up linkys)

119 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:04:30pm

So if Beck confuses Villepin and Le Pen, who is he getting Geert Wilders mixed up with? Gene Wilder?

120 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:04:57pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

The Lulu marketplace link where the LGF calender is for sale.

121 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:05:11pm

Also related in the Wing-Nut-O-Sphere©. Over at David Howowitz's site:


When Fox News Might as Well Be MSNBC: Special Report Trashes Geert Wilders 2010 March 8

Fox News’ Special Report with Bret Baier featured a segment tonight on Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ blasphemy trial in the Netherlands. (See some of NRB’s John L. Work’s posts on it here and here.)

The segment featured these descriptors of Wilders:

“A man who inspires fierce emotions.”

“Anger on the streets of London. The object of the demonstration was a recent visit by Far-Right Dutch politician Geert Wilders.”

“His Anti-Muslim rhetoric makes him a target of critics.”

“Wilders says Muslim head scarves should be banned, he’s branded the Muslim prophet Muhammed a pedophile and likened the Muslim Koran to Mein Kampf.”

“Far-Right”?

The “Far-Right” label is meant to smear Wilders by trying to associate him with racist European political parties like the BNP that actually warrant the label.

(SNIP)

This is supposed to be the “conservative” network here and they are unable to present a single panelists who will support Wilders.

RELATED: Pamela Geller also has a related post about Glenn Beck’s show today.

I had Beck on in the background while I was working and thought he mentioned Wilders in a negative fashion. These are troubling developments, though nothing to be particularly surprised about. Despite Fox being on the ball about so many issues and being an important fighter in many political contests, all too often it — like others in the Conservative Movement — has shown a tragic deficiency of understanding when it comes to our war with Islamic Nazism.

122 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:05:15pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

Yeah, back in the day, I never went out without my hat, and seldom without my soft felt fedora, as favored by my grandfather and hard-boiled gumshoes.

Most of the year, I wore an overcoat - an all-weather coat for milder seasons, but a nice calf-length charcoal grey cashmere one (made by a nice Russian lady who also took in my shirts and could actually do that "french weaving" to repair good fabrics.

I used to run in quite the circles in my younger days. To dress otherwise would have made me conspicuous. Housemate observed of me that I was what she called "conspicuously inconspicuous' - "You always look like you've made every effort possible to ensure that no one remembers much about you wherever you go."

123 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:05:31pm

Sad scary Pam is still reading closely here. She corrected "fatc" to "fact" within the time it took me to to point out her drunken typo (5:24:56pm) to this post (6:04pm).

Hi, Shrieks!

124 brookly red  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:06:01pm

re: #119 Alouette

So if Beck confuses Villepin and Le Pen, who is he getting Geert Wilders mixed up with? Gene Wilder?

fortunately I had swallowed my beer before reading that...

125 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:06:05pm

re: #103 Guanxi88

let's have it. i just spent 10 freakin' hours with auditors (not the Church of the Litigious Lunatics kinda auditors, but rather the CPA ones). I could use a good story.

Heh - not the Tazer part.

First time a cop pulled a gun on me was my fault - I was a young punk with a big mouth. Fortunately his partner calmed him down. I felt really stupid afterwards when my friends talked some sense into me.

Second time was not my fault - cops thought I was someone else and had their guns drawn when they came across me near a local party spot. Like an idiot I reached behind my back to check if my back was bleeding - I had just fallen off some rocks. The cops freaked out. One guy told me later he came this close to pulling the trigger. He was serious. Officer Honor - LAPD.

126 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #71 SpaceJesus

every single one of them actually.

Those comments are pretty tasty...the emerging consensus seems to be that Glenn Beck was always shit and they always knew it. Just like that Bill O'Reilly.

127 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:06:29pm

re: #114 prairiefire

Charles, can you ask LuLu to do something about the review comments on the LGF calender? They are obviously ex LGF posters with axes to grind.

I did email them about it. No reply.

This happens absolutely anywhere that I link to, if the site allows comments. The level of obsession is pretty damned amazing.

128 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:07:26pm

NRO is just getting word...

Video -- Glenn Beck: Geert Wilders Is A Facist?

Hilarity is sure to ensue.

129 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:07:56pm

re: #127 Charles

I did email them about it. No reply.

This happens absolutely anywhere that I link to, if the site allows comments. The level of obsession is pretty damned amazing.

Just think of the good they could do if only they redirected that obsessive energy...


Or not.

130 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:08:24pm

re: #112 avanti

Glenn Beck on Massa: “This is a moment that will decide the course of this nation, possibly” Someone watch and tell me about it.

FOX is going to try to use Massa's story as a Watergate type scandal to bring down the Obama regime. Beck thinks he has a scoop and Massa's a heroic whistleblower. . Even the wingnuts seem to know it's a bogus story.

131 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:09:18pm

re: #126 Jimmah

And the enraged mob, as it always does, begins turning on people it had previously beatified.

132 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:10:22pm

re: #120 prairiefire

The Lulu marketplace link where the LGF calender is for sale.

That figures. The trolls cluster and backbite wherever they can. They're pathetic like that.

133 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:10:56pm

re: #128 Gus 802

NRO is just getting word...

Video -- Glenn Beck: Geert Wilders Is A Facist?

Hilarity is sure to ensue.

Heh. This is going to cause major conniptions in all kinds of right wing cesspits.

In fact, if I may describe it thus...

Youtube Video
134 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:11:58pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

Sad scary Pam is still reading closely here. She corrected "fatc" to "fact" within the time it took me to to point out her drunken typo (5:24:56pm) to this post (6:04pm).

Hi, Shrieks!

Yeah well let me point out that the shrieker is now reprinting Jatras columns defending Genocidal maniac Karadzic while saying she's not really defending him, but she is through tu quoque. (Bin Laden and AQ did it too!)

In bed with the fascists, helping to try to deflect justice from Genocide.

135 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:02pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

FOX is going to try to use Massa's story as a Watergate type scandal to bring down the Obama regime. Beck thinks he has a scoop and Massa's a heroic whistleblower. . Even the wingnuts seem to know it's a bogus story.

And Massa is just trying to cover up his sexual harassment or bad behavior, or whatever. What a joke!

136 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:04pm

Hey if any Lizards are looking for work, the Census Bureau is hiring.

137 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:13pm

NRO needs proofreader, stat.

138 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:23pm

re: #128 Gus 802

NRO is just getting word...

Video -- Glenn Beck: Geert Wilders Is A Facist?

Hilarity is sure to ensue.

ZOMG, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS SAVES THE DAY1!1!

...Heh, just now realizing this, aren't they?
;)

139 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:34pm

re: #125 Racer X

Heh - not the Tazer part.

First time a cop pulled a gun on me was my fault - I was a young punk with a big mouth. Fortunately his partner calmed him down. I felt really stupid afterwards when my friends talked some sense into me.

Second time was not my fault - cops thought I was someone else and had their guns drawn when they came across me near a local party spot. Like an idiot I reached behind my back to check if my back was bleeding - I had just fallen off some rocks. The cops freaked out. One guy told me later he came this close to pulling the trigger. He was serious. Officer Honor - LAPD.

I once had a cop put his hand on his gun like he was going to pull it, but didn't after yelling at me. It would have been my fault. I was getting busted for underage drinking. I was nervous and kept putting my hands in my jacket pockets. He warned me twice before almost pulling the gun.

But I did have someone threaten me with a shotgun (or possibly a rifle. Couldn't tell, it was really dark) after a streetfight.

Ah, my teenage years. Good times.

140 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:36pm

re: #114 prairiefire

Charles, can you ask LuLu to do something about the review comments on the LGF calender? They are obviously ex LGF posters with axes to grind.

Heh.
I saw your comment and went on over - then saw my name and realized I'd already left a supportive comment.

141 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:12:43pm

Somehow, knowing Beck, I don't think he's going to be taking broadcasting lessons from the alcohol-breathed harpy anytime soon. Unless he needs pointers about profiling his man-boobs.

142 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:13:18pm

re: #133 Jimmah

Heh. This is going to cause major conniptions in all kinds of right wing cesspits.

In fact, if I may describe it thus...

[Video]

Sure will. The wingnuts will have no choice but to attempt to shoot the messengers. However, I'm sure they're all crying in their soup tonight considering we're talking about Glenn Beck, Tea Party idol and keynote speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

"Far Right wing is fascist in Europe." -- Glenn Beck

143 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:13:19pm

re: #128 Gus 802

NRO is just getting word...

Video -- Glenn Beck: Geert Wilders Is A Facist?

Hilarity is sure to ensue.

NRO is not insane, so it won't be very funny. Maybe sad if people there try to spin things, but not hilarious or insane.

144 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:13:28pm

OK, anybody who has a Lulu account, or has bought the LGF cookbook, can log in and post a review of the calender. I just did. Sorry, Charles, I promise I'll get something through the LGF Amazon store. I can't be parted from my French Country Diary calender.

145 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:13:48pm

re: #136 Racer X

Hey if any Lizards are looking for work, the Census Bureau is hiring.

My mom did that one year.
Maybe I'll apply.

146 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:14:05pm

re: #136 Racer X

Hey if any Lizards are looking for work, the Census Bureau is hiring.

16.50/hr.

147 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:14:06pm

re: #133 Jimmah

Heh. This is going to cause major conniptions in all kinds of right wing cesspits.

In fact, if I may describe it thus...


[Video]

You earned the right to call it that, Jimmah, by making the video.

148 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:14:30pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

NRO is not insane, so it won't be very funny. Maybe sad if people there try to spin things, but not hilarious or insane.

Well, I still think it might get humorous once Jonah Goldberg appears from his bat cave.

149 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:14:41pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

16.50/hr.

The problem is that it's short-term work and I'm already working full-time.

150 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:14:51pm

re: #122 Guanxi88

Yeah, back in the day, I never went out without my hat, and seldom without my soft felt fedora, as favored by my grandfather and hard-boiled gumshoes.

Most of the year, I wore an overcoat - an all-weather coat for milder seasons, but a nice calf-length charcoal grey cashmere one (made by a nice Russian lady who also took in my shirts and could actually do that "french weaving" to repair good fabrics.

I used to run in quite the circles in my younger days. To dress otherwise would have made me conspicuous. Housemate observed of me that I was what she called "conspicuously inconspicuous' - "You always look like you've made every effort possible to ensure that no one remembers much about you wherever you go."

That's one of the hallmarks of certain of the really well-dressed. You don't really notice at first, and then you do. Good taste never screams - and often almost whispers.

151 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:15:26pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

I see one clear shot-When reason gets ratings, he'll be all over it. Until then, nah.

152 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:15:46pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

Sad scary Pam is still reading closely here. She corrected "fatc" to "fact" within the time it took me to to point out her drunken typo (5:24:56pm) to this post (6:04pm).

Hi, Shrieks!

For what itz worth, I can haz screenshot.

153 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:16:16pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

16.50/hr.

Damn, thats better than government work!

/no, wait

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:16:49pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Well, I still think it might get humorous once Jonah Goldberg appears from his bat cave.

If Jonah is smart, he'll agree and talk about how banning Islam is bad and wrong. I hope that's what happens. Wilders has gotten extreme enough for conservatives to triangulate off of him. He'd be great for sane people to arrest the slide off the cliff by denouncing and opposing him.

155 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:17:10pm

The wingnutosphere is lively tonight. What I'm seeing is exactly what the Paulians and Koskidz were doing a few years ago. The people who think Buch stole Florida in 2000 thought the 9-11 truthers were crazy. The Fema Camp crowd thought the people who thought Bush wouldn't voluntarily leave office discredited them. The Birthers hate the Cloward-Piven folks. Massa is a douchebag according to people who think Obama was going to steal their computers.
The inmates can take over the asylum but they can't run it for very long. It just doesn't work.

156 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

If Jonah is smart, he'll agree and talk about how banning Islam is bad and wrong. I hope that's what happens. Wilders has gotten extreme enough for conservatives to triangulate off of him. He'd be great for sane people to arrest the slide off the cliff by denouncing and opposing him.

I meant with regards to his book and ideology of "Liberal Fascism." As far as Goldberg's take on Wilders I'm not really too familiar with how he would respond.

157 recusancy  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:18:06pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

NRO is not insane, so it won't be very funny. Maybe sad if people there try to spin things, but not hilarious or insane.

It has it's insane moments.

158 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:18:09pm

re: #153 Racer X

It's 18/hr where I'm at. This is looking really appetizing, even for a temporary job.

159 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:19:16pm

Conspiracy over at the Shrieking Harpy's site:

Face it, as others have posted, the rot began when the Saudis started buying into the Murdoch media empire, and Fox has since abandoned any pretence of standards towards honest reporting.

Money talks, and this example of Glen Beck's outrage against common decency is symptomatic of the ease with which the truth can nowadays be perverted.

Mohamed must be chuckling into his sleeve.

Posted by: xw %P% Monday, March 08, 2010 at 09:15 PM

Abandon ship! The Arabs have taken over Fox News!111!!!11

160 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:19:18pm

re: #153 Racer X

Damn, thats better than government work!

/no, wait

I have an interview to test on Wed., arranged that a few weeks ago. They need people up in these mountains.

161 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:20:12pm

And then I gave my review 5 stars. : )

162 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:20:47pm

re: #158 erraticsphinx

It's 18/hr where I'm at. This is looking really appetizing, even for a temporary job.

Check it out - different rates for different cities - Bowling Green OH 12.25. Richmond VA 18.00.

163 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:20:52pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Conspiracy over at the Shrieking Harpy's site:

Abandon ship! The Arabs have taken over Fox News!111!!!11

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!1 bUY GUNZ!11 BUY GOLD!!!111

164 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:21:05pm

re: #144 prairiefire

OK, anybody who has a Lulu account, or has bought the LGF cookbook, can log in and post a review of the calender. I just did. Sorry, Charles, I promise I'll get something through the LGF Amazon store. I can't be parted from my French Country Diary calender.

It would be good to hit here and do a review if you have the time
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

All lizards with Amazon accts really need to rank down the flouncer and Spencer fan reviews and rate up the two good reviews

165 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:21:17pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!1 bUY GUNZ!11 BUY GOLD!!!111

Buy seeds!!11!!!!

166 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:21:41pm

3 Minute Management Course

Lesson One:
An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing. A small
rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing?" The eagle answered: "Sure, why not" So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.

Management Lesson:
To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.

Lesson Two:
A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull." They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree. The next day he reached the second branch and, finally, after a fourth night, the turkey was proudly perched at he top of the tree. He was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot him out of the tree.

Management Lesson:
Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.

Lesson Three:
A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He laid there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Management Lesson :
(1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy.
(2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend..
(3) And when you're in deep shit, it's best to keep your mouth shut!

This ends the three minute management course.

167 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:21:49pm

re: #142 Gus 802

Sure will. The wingnuts will have no choice but to attempt to shoot the messengers. However, I'm sure they're all crying in their soup tonight considering we're talking about Glenn Beck, Tea Party idol and keynote speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

"Far Right wing is fascist in Europe." -- Glenn Beck

Yep. It's the ones (and there's a LOT of them) who've both proclaimed Beck as the Prophet of our Time and that Geert Wilders is the saviour of Europe that I'm laughing at tonight. Have fun sorting that little mess out, wingnuts:)

168 brookly red  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:21:58pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Buy seeds!!11!!!


buy booze...

169 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:22:21pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!1 bUY GUNZ!11 BUY GOLD!!!111

Now, this is not an area of expertise for me, but once the economy recovers, the price of gold will drop quite a bit, right?

170 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:22:48pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Conspiracy over at the Shrieking Harpy's site:

Abandon ship! The Arabs have taken over Fox News!111!!!11

They just started caring about the Saudi Prince? Hell, that was the first thing that came to my mind after the Citizens United.

171 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:23:02pm

re: #127 Charles

I did email them about it. No reply.

This happens absolutely anywhere that I link to, if the site allows comments. The level of obsession is pretty damned amazing.

*cough* So Can I sent you a sound track from a live performance?
Even if you said I suck here It would be a privilege.. I play a lead on the strat iin the key of A or E really fast...I'm not shy..Can I email a tune to you Tuesday? Thanks Charles

172 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:23:18pm

re: #169 soap_man

Now, this is not an area of expertise for me, but once the economy recovers, the price of gold will drop quite a bit, right?

Sigh, no. You see, IT'S TEH END OF TEH WURLDZ!11!!
Understand?
;)

173 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:23:29pm

re: #164 Thanos

Thanks! That will keep me busy....

174 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:23:36pm

Daffodils are blooming everywhere!!! The Japenese elm against my window has little green things sprouting from its branches!!! The pear trees are budding!!! Clover is blooming!!!

SPRING HAS SPRUNG!!!

175 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:24:09pm

re: #164 Thanos

It would be good to hit here and do a review if you have the time
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

All lizards with Amazon accts really need to rank down the flouncer and Spencer fan reviews and rate up the two good reviews

One of which is mine.
Folks should also add their own reviews there.

176 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:24:13pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Daffodils are blooming everywhere!!! The Japenese elm against my window has little green things sprouting from its branches!!! The pear trees are budding!!! Clover is blooming!!!

SPRING HAS SPRUNG!!!

And it's snowing up here... sprung my ass.

177 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:24:19pm

re: #174 MandyManners

This post brought to you by "!!!".

178 brookly red  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:24:22pm

re: #169 soap_man

Now, this is not an area of expertise for me, but once the economy recovers, the price of gold will drop quite a bit, right?

in theory yes.

179 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:24:29pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

Sigh, no. You see, IT'S TEH END OF TEH WURLDZ!11!!
Understand?
;)

Correct. That's it. We're done. Our only hope is to climb the stairs to the top of the rocket ship and colonize space.

/

180 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:24:42pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

And it's snowing up here... sprung my ass.

(((Walter)))

181 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25:09pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Daffodils are blooming everywhere!!! The Japenese elm against my window has little green things sprouting from its branches!!! The pear trees are budding!!! Clover is blooming!!!

SPRING HAS SPRUNG!!!

Today I heard a bird for the first time since, like, October. It was kind of startling. In a good way.

182 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25:22pm

re: #136 Racer X

Hey if any Lizards are looking for work, the Census Bureau is hiring.

I just sent that to a friend; thanks much!

183 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25:23pm

God is great.

184 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25:24pm

re: #179 Gus 802

Correct. That's it. We're done. Our only hope is to climb the stairs to the top of the rocket ship and colonize space.

/

Waaayyy ahead of ya!

185 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25:25pm

Believe it or not these questions about Canada were posted on an International Tourism Website.

Obviously the answers are a joke; but the questions were really asked!

Q: I have never seen it warm on Canadian TV, so how do the plants grow? ( England )
A. We import all plants fully grown and then just sit around and watch them die.

Q: Will I be able to see Polar Bears in the street? ( USA )
A: Depends on how much you've been drinking.

Q: I want to walk from Vancouver to Toronto - can I follow the Railroad tracks? ( Norway )
A: Sure, it's only Four thousand miles, take lots of water.

Q: Is it safe to run around in the bushes in Canada ? ( Sweden )
A: So it's true what they say about Swedes.

Q: Are there any ATM's (cash machines) in Canada ? Can you send me a list of them in Toronto , Vancouver , Edmonton and Halifax ? ( England )
A: No, but you'd better bring a few extra furs for trading purposes.

Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Canada ? ( USA )
A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe Ca-na-da is that big country to your North...oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Calgary Come naked.

Q: Which direction is North in Canada ? ( USA )
A: Face south and then turn 180 degrees Contact us when you get here and we'll send the rest of the directions.

Q: Can I bring cutlery into Canada ? ( England )
A: Why? Just use your fingers like we do.

Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? ( USA )
A: Aus-t ri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which is...oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir plays every Tuesday night in Vancouver and in Calgary , straight after the hippo races. Come naked.

Q: Do you have perfume in Canada ? ( Germany )
A: No, WE don't stink.

Q: I have developed a new product that is the fountain of youth. Where can I sell it in Canada ? ( USA )
A: Anywhere significant numbers of Americans gather.

Q: Can you tell me the regions in British Columbia where the female population is smaller than the male population? ( Italy )
A: Yes, gay nightclubs.

Q: Do you celebrate Thanksgiving in Canada ? ( USA )
A: Only at Thanksgiving.

Q: Are there supermarkets in Toronto and is milk available all year round? ( Germany )
A: No, we are a peaceful civilization of Vegan hunter/gathers. Milk is illegal.

Q: I have a question about a famous animal in Canada , but I forget its name. It's a kind of big horse with horns. ( USA )
A: It's called a Moose. They are tall and very violent, eating the brains of anyone walking close to them. You can scare them off by spraying yourself with human urine before you go out walking.

Q: Will I be able to speak English most places I go? ( USA )
A: Yes, but you will have to learn it first.

186 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25:29pm

re: #70 soap_man

It seems many think Fox News is about to, or has already started, to betray them.

I don't know about you, but that makes me laugh.

Me too. Apparently the 7% of NewsCorp that Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns has some wingnuts feeling that they've been duped just like this guy.

187 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:26:04pm

re: #181 soap_man

Today I heard a bird for the first time since, like, October. It was kind of startling. In a good way.

I saw a robin here a few weeks ago but the little bugger wore a mink coat.

188 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:26:16pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

Waaayyy ahead of ya!

Did your loan through the FRHA go through?

FRHA... Federal Rocket Housing Authority

/

189 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:26:44pm

re: #144 prairiefire

OK, anybody who has a Lulu account, or has bought the LGF cookbook, can log in and post a review of the calender. I just did. Sorry, Charles, I promise I'll get something through the LGF Amazon store. I can't be parted from my French Country Diary calender.

Thank you - I appreciate it.

190 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:26:52pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Daffodils are blooming everywhere!!! The Japenese elm against my window has little green things sprouting from its branches!!! The pear trees are budding!!! Clover is blooming!!!

SPRING HAS SPRUNG!!!

Things are brighter where you are than up here. But still, several days of above average temps in Chicagoland has seen a lot of snow melt off and some of the grass is green again. We don't get Daffodils here till next month.

191 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

And it's snowing up here... sprung my ass.

It's almost Springtime here.. 1 inch of snow left! on the pool

192 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:27:30pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

A rather stressed-out Bond-film extra, and yes, they're completely serious.

Wuz shee rilly in a Bond fillum? And Daniel Craig refused her advances?

That would explain a lot.

193 The Yankee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:27:32pm

The reason why i stop liking and started to dislike the right. Is because I knew some one like Beck would come along. He says something that allot of right wingers agrees with the surrounds it with non sense. Same thing with Palin conservative point maybe a snide remark. Then says something that makes no sense that people over look cause they want to like her so much.

194 teleskiguy  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:27:37pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

And it's snowing up here... sprung my ass.

Elk Mountains received almost a foot today.

195 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:27:46pm

re: #158 erraticsphinx

It's 18/hr where I'm at. This is looking really appetizing, even for a temporary job.

$22/hr in Oakland, CA.

196 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:28:22pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

Me too. Apparently the 7% of NewsCorp that Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns has some wingnuts feeling that they've been duped just like this guy.

Yeah, and we all know that 7% would make it a majority ownership.

/

197 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:28:35pm

re: #195 eclectic infidel

Hey, knocking on hippie doors is very tiring work.

198 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:28:41pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Ha!

199 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:28:50pm

re: #183 MandyManners

God is great.

Or alternatively, Allah Ackbar.

200 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:29:09pm

re: #181 soap_man

Today I heard a bird for the first time since, like, October. It was kind of startling. In a good way.

Where I live, we have birds all the time so I cannot imagine going without them for about half the year.

201 brookly red  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:29:25pm

re: #197 erraticsphinx

Hey, knocking on hippie doors is very tiring work.

Dave's not here...

202 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:29:29pm

re: #197 erraticsphinx

Hey, knocking on hippie doors is very tiring work.

You're thinking of Berkeley.

203 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

Elk Mountains received almost a foot today.

It's suppose to "spit" off and on all week, 30-50 percent chance of snow every day, but the daily temps will be only around freezing, so it shouldn't effect driving much.

204 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:30:28pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Ha!

Glenn Beck is a Dhimi following the orders of his Saudi masters!11!!!1

/

205 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:30:54pm

Later! Gotta encode more stuff.

206 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:30:59pm

re: #169 soap_man

Now, this is not an area of expertise for me, but once the economy recovers, the price of gold will drop quite a bit, right?

That's the way it's supposed to work, but (literally) don't bank on it. Precious metals have been hot speculative items with a life and a logic all of their own. As a pure speculative instrument you could probably make money trading on the up-and-downsides, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you really know what you're doing - as well as the risks involved.

207 teleskiguy  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:31:00pm

OK, OnT, opposite of OT!

Geert Wilders is a despicable man. He wants to make Islam illegal.

208 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:31:24pm

re: #202 eclectic infidel

Oh yeah, you're right. Judging from what I saw of Oakland, now that I remember...hippie was Berkeley. Oakland was dangerous.

209 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:31:27pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

Check it out - different rates for different cities - Bowling Green OH 12.25. Richmond VA 18.00.

relatively speaking, though, those are about the same (after cost of living)//

210 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:31:45pm

re: #195 eclectic infidel

$22/hr in Oakland, CA.

$22/hour in Oakland?
$14.25 in Baton Rouge.
As low as $11.50 in other areas of the State.
Hm.

211 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:31:55pm

re: #164 Thanos

It would be good to hit here and do a review if you have the time
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

All lizards with Amazon accts really need to rank down the flouncer and Spencer fan reviews and rate up the two good reviews

Oh yeah, that's another place where the stalkers have appeared.

An interesting thing about what they do, which, if it were me, would make it hard to look myself in the mirror, is that they focus especially on things that can actually cause harm to me in the physical world -- not the Internet world in which they lost a free account at LGF.

Jaron Lanier's new book, which I just started reading, has some fascinating insights into this kind of dysfunctional response to the anonymity of the web.

212 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:32:31pm

re: #210 reine.de.tout

$22/hour in Oakland?
$14.25 in Baton Rouge.
As low as $11.50 in other areas of the State.
Hm.

Would you go alone? Wonder if they want you to go in pairs...

213 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:33:13pm

Springtime must be right around the corner...only 2 feet of snow on the ground!
Good Evening LGF.

214 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:33:25pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Things are brighter where you are than up here. But still, several days of above average temps in Chicagoland has seen a lot of snow melt off and some of the grass is green again. We don't get Daffodils here till next month.

Snow? What is it?

Oh, yes. I remember. Solid rain.

215 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:33:36pm

re: #200 MandyManners

Where I live, we have birds all the time so I cannot imagine going without them for about half the year.

We had a local bird with its clock seriously off the other night, chirping and broadcasting outside our window like it was the first morning of spring... from 9 PM to 6 AM.

216 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:33:42pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

Would you go alone? Wonder if they want you to go in pairs...

When my mom did it, she worked alone.
That was at a time when folks were not fearing the census.
I would want a bodyguard with me, these days

217 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:33:43pm

re: #195 eclectic infidel

$22/hr in Oakland, CA.

This lists Federal pay scales by locality. Much of the country is "base". Whatever the census jobs pay, this gives an idea of the local adjustments:

[Link: www.opm.gov...]

218 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:33:53pm

re: #187 MandyManners

I saw a robin here a few weeks ago but the little bugger wore a mink coat.

thatz what the red paint iz for...

219 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:34:03pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

Easy to do. They're both men.

//

Dominique and Jean-Marie are men?

Oh wait. They're French.

220 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:34:29pm

Another comment from Crazy Pam's site....

Pamela, Glenn Beck has said that you and I and everyone else who questions Obama's eligibility under the Constitution are "stupid", "nut jobs", "lunatics", "conspiracy kooks" for even questioning why Obama will not unseal any of his documents. We are just supposed to take it on faith that a known liar is telling the truth about his own legitimacy. Beck is either utterly ignorant on this topic or in on the fix. The eligibility issue is the ONLY issue that can legally and immediately rid us of the nightmare on Pennsylvania Ave.as well as his co-conspirators in Congress and the administration.

As for Hill and Bill not blowing the whistle on His Fraudulency, the "meeting" between Obama and Hillary where she conceded the nomination to him actually took place at the Bilderberg meeting at a resort in Virginia, just outside Washinton, D.C. The same foreign influences who bankrolled Clinton and got him elected decided Obama would better serve their purposes of presiding over the demise of the United States as a capitalist superpower.


Bwahahahaaahaha!

221 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:34:42pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

The wingnutosphere is lively tonight. What I'm seeing is exactly what the Paulians and Koskidz were doing a few years ago. The people who think Buch stole Florida in 2000 thought the 9-11 truthers were crazy. The Fema Camp crowd thought the people who thought Bush wouldn't voluntarily leave office discredited them. The Birthers hate the Cloward-Piven folks. Massa is a douchebag according to people who think Obama was going to steal their computers.
The inmates can take over the asylum but they can't run it for very long. It just doesn't work.

Yes, its looking like you have to be a theocratic nut, anti-muslim bigot, birther, and AGW denier in addition to having a plain old case of ODS to get wingnut approval these days. Miss any of those out and your reputation as a 'true conservative ' is in peril.

222 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:35:01pm

re: #215 torrentprime

We had a local bird with its clock seriously off the other night, chirping and broadcasting outside our window like it was the first morning of spring... from 9 PM to 6 AM.

The rooster in Gaza crowed all night long.

223 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:35:24pm

re: #181 soap_man

Today I heard a bird for the first time since, like, October. It was kind of startling. In a good way.

Same here. I was outside and something was different. Oh yes birds singing! Right on. The lake gulls are flying around now too. It won't be truly spring though until the 'honk honk' of the geese returning fills the air and the call of the loons on the lake echo through my morning doziness.

224 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:35:37pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Another comment from Crazy Pam's site...


Bwahahahaaahaha!

Ummm, wow. Just. Wow.

225 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:35:43pm

re: #213 Spare O'Lake

I'm still wondering about your recipe to the cookbook. Are you gonna' contact Reine about it?

226 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:36:05pm

re: #215 torrentprime

We had a local bird with its clock seriously off the other night, chirping and broadcasting outside our window like it was the first morning of spring... from 9 PM to 6 AM.

Some birds sing or "call" at night.

Nightingales, whip-poor-wills, owls, loons ...

227 brookly red  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:36:20pm

re: #215 torrentprime

We had a local bird with its clock seriously off the other night, chirping and broadcasting outside our window like it was the first morning of spring... from 9 PM to 6 AM.

lots of different kinds of fruits & berries ferment over the winter...

228 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:36:22pm

re: #224 soap_man

Bohemian grove ate my Matzoh!

229 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:36:24pm

re: #219 Alouette

Dominique and Jean-Marie are men?

Oh wait. They're French.

And Dominique is quite good-looking in a very French way

Image: Dominique-de-Villepin-trial.jpg

230 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:36:39pm

re: #221 Jimmah

Yes, its looking like you have to be a theocratic nut, anti-muslim bigot, birther, and AGW denier in addition to having a plain old case of ODS to get wingnut approval these days. Miss any of those out and your reputation as a 'true conservative ' is in peril.

Yep.
Happened to me.
seriously.

231 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:37:14pm

re: #215 torrentprime

We had a local bird with its clock seriously off the other night, chirping and broadcasting outside our window like it was the first morning of spring... from 9 PM to 6 AM.

Did you happen to be in a Time-Machine back to Gaza during Operation Cast Lead?

232 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:37:38pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

Bohemian grove ate my Matzoh!

An' they blow up da owl.

233 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:37:47pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Another comment from Crazy Pam's site...

Bwahahahaaahaha!

Sincerely,

Alex Jones
Orly Taitz

/

234 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:37:47pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

thatz what the red paint iz for...

Sooo nice to live where that shit doesn't happen.

235 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:38:09pm

re: #227 brookly red

lots of different kinds of fruits & berries ferment over the winter...

.....and we're all idiots for not taking advantage of that. I brewing and fermenting some booze this year. Capitalists aren't going to exploit my buzz!

236 soap_man  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:38:15pm

re: #223 Jadespring

Same here. I was outside and something was different. Oh yes birds singing! Right on. The lake gulls are flying around now too. It won't be truly spring though until the 'honk honk' of the geese returning fills the air and the call of the loons on the lake echo through my morning doziness.

Two days ago, the there were a few geese in the parking lot of the building I work in. One of my co-workers said that while he was walking from his car to the building, one started flapping his wings and honking aggressively. He said there was a small standoff, before he took a detour and went around the goose. It seems the goose won the standoff.

No point to that story. Just thought it was a funny visual.

237 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:39:26pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

This lists Federal pay scales by locality. Much of the country is "base". Whatever the census jobs pay, this gives an idea of the local adjustments:

[Link: www.opm.gov...]

Interactive map at this link.

Click on your state, then the marked cities to get the census pay rates for that area.

238 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:39:38pm

re: #223 Jadespring

Same here. I was outside and something was different. Oh yes birds singing! Right on. The lake gulls are flying around now too. It won't be truly spring though until the 'honk honk' of the geese returning fills the air and the call of the loons on the lake echo through my morning doziness.

must...resist...

239 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:39:38pm

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Yep.
Happened to me.
seriously.

I know. Which one did you miss out? j/k ;-)

240 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:39:54pm

re: #226 reine.de.tout

Some birds sing or "call" at night.

Nightingales, whip-poor-wills, owls, loons ...

And I'm quite familiar with the ones around here that do, here in my next-to-the-airport suburb. This one however had the same call as the day birds, bugling all night long.

241 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:39:58pm

re: #150 ryannon

That's one of the hallmarks of certain of the really well-dressed. You don't really notice at first, and then you do. Good taste never screams - and often almost whispers.

In England, it doesn't matter if your cuffs are frayed and your tweed weskit has little balls of fuzz on it.

The name of your tailor is what counts.

242 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:40:44pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

...and we're all idiots for not taking advantage of that. I brewing and fermenting some booze this year. Capitalists aren't going to exploit my buzz!

Killgore, you're so funny!
You are self-employed; do you understand that makes you a capitalist?

243 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:41:34pm

re: #238 Aceofwhat?

The loons on the lake are on the lookout for drifting Bilderbergs.

244 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:41:41pm

Repeat of a shameless self promotion alert. Non-partisan tooting of own horn.

I was perusing the Denver Post online yesterday, and found out I had missed an article that was dated 02-14-2010.

It seems the post took a national poll looking for the 10 best Americans Plays. They had 294 titles submitted from various judges in the industry including... NPR commentator Frank Deford, Tony-winning Broadway actor Dana Ivey ("The Last Night of Ballyhoo"), playwrights Doug Wright ("I Am My Own Wife"), Jason Grote ("1001"), Steven Dietz ("God's Country"), Octavio Solis ("Lydia"), Joan Holden ("Nickel and Dimed") and Ted Lange ("Soul Survivor"), as well as the artistic directors of the Goodman Theatre (Robert Falls) and Portland Center Stage (Chris Coleman), and staff from theaters across the country, including Actors Theatre of Louisville, host of the prestigious Humana Festival of New American Plays.

My play " I Never Promised You a Rose Garden" was listed at 263. Shocked the shit out of me to even see it on the list.

And here's a funny aside. When I saw the article, I downloaded a PDF of the list that the Denver Post had available on their website.

I'm showing the list to my girlfriend and I pointed out to her that "I Never Promised You A Rose Garden" was one listing above "The Iceman Cometh" and I was elated to see my play against such an American classic as "Iceman."

My girlfriend made a little "hruumph" and pointed out to me the list was alphabetical, not according to rank.

Silly me.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

245 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:41:42pm

re: #239 Jimmah

I know. Which one did you miss out? j/k ;-)

All of 'em, well, of course, except maybe the ODS.
But I'm getting over it.

246 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:42:33pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

In England, it doesn't matter if your cuffs are frayed and your tweed weskit has little balls of fuzz on it.

The name of your tailor is what counts.

And how much you owe him - and even more, for how long. The Brits are endlessly fascinating.

247 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:42:42pm

re: #242 reine.de.tout

Killgore, you're so funny!
You are self-employed; do you understand that makes you a capitalist?

If he is a worker who owns the means of production, he is a mature socialist.

248 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:42:42pm

re: #240 torrentprime

And I'm quite familiar with the ones around here that do, here in my next-to-the-airport suburb. This one however had the same call as the day birds, bugling all night long.

If there's a lot of light, some birds will sing at night, too.

249 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:42:58pm

re: #215 torrentprime

We had a local bird with its clock seriously off the other night, chirping and broadcasting outside our window like it was the first morning of spring... from 9 PM to 6 AM.

I don't know if you are in an urban area, but apparently, some birds are switching to the night shift in town to do their singing for mates etc because it's quieter and they can hear and be heard better.

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:43:34pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Another comment from Crazy Pam's site...

Pamela, Glenn Beck has said that you and I and everyone else who questions Obama's eligibility under the Constitution are "stupid", "nut jobs", "lunatics", "conspiracy kooks" for even questioning why Obama will not unseal any of his documents. We are just supposed to take it on faith that a known liar is telling the truth about his own legitimacy. Beck is either utterly ignorant on this topic or in on the fix. The eligibility issue is the ONLY issue that can legally and immediately rid us of the nightmare on Pennsylvania Ave.as well as his co-conspirators in Congress and the administration.

As for Hill and Bill not blowing the whistle on His Fraudulency, the "meeting" between Obama and Hillary where she conceded the nomination to him actually took place at the Bilderberg meeting at a resort in Virginia, just outside Washinton, D.C. The same foreign influences who bankrolled Clinton and got him elected decided Obama would better serve their purposes of presiding over the demise of the United States as a capitalist superpower.

Bwahahahaaahaha!

And with this post, folks, you see a rare specimen of the Wacked-Out Wingnut (Conspirus Alexus Butthurtini). This loony creature clings to long disproven illusions and has very poor hygiene and contact with reality. It cannot be reasoned with if encountered and should instead be clubbed with a clue bat then grilled.

251 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:43:50pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

If he is a worker who owns the means of production, he is a mature socialist.

Well, you have a point . . .
He's not a worker, he's the sole OWNER who works.

252 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:44:09pm

re: #248 reine.de.tout

Hi Reine, check your email.

253 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:44:43pm

Stupak may reach deal on health care.

bill.

254 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:44:59pm

re: #251 reine.de.tout

Well, you have a point . . .
He's not a worker, he's the sole OWNER who works.

I'm more fond of hard workers than owners, all things being equal.

255 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:45:05pm

*crack that whip*

Youtube Video
256 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:45:34pm

*tweet tweet*

257 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:45:38pm

re: #253 avanti

Stupak may reach deal on health care.

bill.

Maybe he's been showering with Rahm.

258 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:45:47pm

re: #236 soap_man

Two days ago, the there were a few geese in the parking lot of the building I work in. One of my co-workers said that while he was walking from his car to the building, one started flapping his wings and honking aggressively. He said there was a small standoff, before he took a detour and went around the goose. It seems the goose won the standoff.

No point to that story. Just thought it was a funny visual.

Hee. Last spring several geese decided to take a break on the small pond in my yard. The dog started going crazy and barking at them from behind his fenced part of the yard. The geese paid no attention for the most part until one of them left the pond and waddled towards the fence and the dog. Dog of course starts going even more crazy. Goose fluffs himself up and starts flapping and honking back. Dog stops and backs away looking confused. Goose stops and they both stare at each other until the dog decides it's just not worth it anymore. Goose returns to the pond.

No point to the story either except it was funny to watch. I had the theme song from the Good, The Bad and The Ugly running through my head.

259 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:46:01pm

re: #225 MandyManners

I'm still wondering about your recipe to the cookbook. Are you gonna' contact Reine about it?

Just did.

260 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:46:19pm

C & C Music factory - things that make you go hmmm

Youtube Video
261 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:46:43pm

re: #215 torrentprime

It might have been a Nightingale or a Gray Catbird. Catbirds are nuts.

262 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:46:44pm

re: #238 Aceofwhat?

must...resist...

Lol.... go for it! :D

263 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:46:48pm

re: #249 Jimmah

I don't know if you are in an urban area, but apparently, some birds are switching to the night shift in town to do their singing for mates etc because it's quieter and they can hear and be heard better.

Makes sense / kinda sad.

264 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:47:17pm

It was 60 degrees here in the Boston area today. Absolutely gawgeous!

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:47:34pm

re: #258 Jadespring

Hee. Last spring several geese decided to take a break on the small pond in my yard. The dog started going crazy and barking at them from behind his fenced part of the yard. The geese paid no attention for the most part until one of them left the pond and waddled towards the fence and the dog. Dog of course starts going even more crazy. Goose fluffs himself up and starts flapping and honking back. Dog stops and backs away looking confused. Goose stops and they both stare at each other until the dog decides it's just not worth it anymore. Goose returns to the pond.

No point to the story either except it was funny to watch. I had the theme song from the Good, The Bad and The Ugly running through my head.

We have thousands of them stop in Denver every year and STAY. It is extremely annoying.

I've always wonder if we couldn't help feed the poor by killing geese.

266 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:47:41pm

re: #256 MandyManners

*tweet tweet*

Poo-tee-weet?

267 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:48:25pm

re: #211 Charles

Oh yeah, that's another place where the stalkers have appeared.

An interesting thing about what they do, which, if it were me, would make it hard to look myself in the mirror, is that they focus especially on things that can actually cause harm to me in the physical world -- not the Internet world in which they lost a free account at LGF.

Jaron Lanier's new book, which I just started reading, has some fascinating insights into this kind of dysfunctional response to the anonymity of the web.

Let me know how it is after you finish it. Did you ever get around to watching that Berkman lecture on Mechanical turking, Subvert, etc? Ever wonder if some of that were going on?

268 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:48:56pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Repeat of a shameless self promotion alert. Non-partisan tooting of own horn.

I was perusing the Denver Post online yesterday, and found out I had missed an article that was dated 02-14-2010.

It seems the post took a national poll looking for the 10 best Americans Plays. They had 294 titles submitted from various judges in the industry including... NPR commentator Frank Deford, Tony-winning Broadway actor Dana Ivey ("The Last Night of Ballyhoo"), playwrights Doug Wright ("I Am My Own Wife"), Jason Grote ("1001"), Steven Dietz ("God's Country"), Octavio Solis ("Lydia"), Joan Holden ("Nickel and Dimed") and Ted Lange ("Soul Survivor"), as well as the artistic directors of the Goodman Theatre (Robert Falls) and Portland Center Stage (Chris Coleman), and staff from theaters across the country, including Actors Theatre of Louisville, host of the prestigious Humana Festival of New American Plays.

My play " I Never Promised You a Rose Garden" was listed at 263. Shocked the shit out of me to even see it on the list.

And here's a funny aside. When I saw the article, I downloaded a PDF of the list that the Denver Post had available on their website.

I'm showing the list to my girlfriend and I pointed out to her that "I Never Promised You A Rose Garden" was one listing above "The Iceman Cometh" and I was elated to see my play against such an American classic as "Iceman."

My girlfriend made a little "hruumph" and pointed out to me the list was alphabetical, not according to rank.

Silly me.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Congrats Walter. I hope that gets some of your work some stage time. You deserve that.

269 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:49:12pm
White Supremacist Terrorists caught

Brett, March 8th 2010, 6:20 pm

A father and son team are in court facing charges of preparing to commit acts of terrorism.

...

Let’s hope these scum are put away for a long time. Let’s not hear any nonsense about The Anarchist’s Handbook being freely available online or other excuses frequently made for terrorist plotters.

I am very pleased – not to mention relieved – that our security services are on the ball, are not daunted, distracted or dissuaded by politics, press or public relations and are raiding the lairs of far-right terrorists regardless of colour or creed.


[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

270 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:49:51pm

re: #259 Spare O'Lake

Just did.

Good. I love collecting recipes!

271 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:50:20pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

I'm more fond of hard workers than owners, all things being equal.

I think Killgore is both.

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:50:21pm

re: #242 reine.de.tout

You are self-employed; do you understand that makes you a capitalist?


That's a Bilderberg smear from the New World Order! I'm simply a socialist farmer spreading the wealth around (hopefully into my bank account).
/
;)

273 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:50:44pm

re: #259 Spare O'Lake

Just did.

Hm. Hasn't come thru yet.

274 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:51:05pm

re: #262 Jadespring

Lol... go for it! :D

"awful nice of you to let Free Republic folks use your lake"
"what does Geller sound like at night, echoing across the water?"
"wait, so you hear 'THE WORLD IZ 6000 YEARZ OLD' echoing across your lake each morning?"
"why do people think there's a nirth certifikat somwhere near your lake?"

just off the top of my head...

275 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:51:32pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

That's a Bilderberg smear from the New World Order! I'm simply a socialist farmer spreading the wealth around (hopefully into my bank account).
/
;)

*smooch*

276 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:51:35pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. I've had a few, can always use more... of course.

277 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:51:42pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

Poo-tee-weet?

That's another God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater reference. That's the song of the bird Eliot Rosewater hears while in the loon bin.

278 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:51:53pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Congratulations, Walter!

279 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:08pm

re: #278 Charles

Congratulations, Walter!

Thank you.

280 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:17pm

No! That review was not helpful, not helpful at all. I tried to write a review but my real name came up, even after changing my account. Not gonna go there!

281 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:28pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

Interactive map at this link.

Click on your state, then the marked cities to get the census pay rates for that area.

And, tell everyone that you know, who is unemployed!

282 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:33pm

re: #269 Jimmah

I don't like the laws against possessing information likely to be useful to terrorists. I don't like that at all. I'm sorry, but I am going to be one of those people saying 'nonsense' about the Anarchists Cookbook, even though I've never read a page of it and wouldn't trust the instructions therin if I did.

I am glad that the charges against them include stuff other than that, because that particular charge doesn't sit well with me.

283 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:45pm

re: #269 Jimmah

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Glad to hear that. Hater terrorist get put behind bars where they belong. Good News.

284 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:57pm

re: #275 MandyManners

*smooch*

*blush*

285 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:53:51pm

re: #281 Floral Giraffe

And, tell everyone that you know, who is unemployed!

Just did - he's googlemapping the local office right now. It's amazing what the possibility of $22 an hour will do to one's motivation.

286 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:53:56pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

We do, here in Mighty Mo. Also, deer and turkey hunters can turn their kill over to be processed for the needy.

287 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:55:50pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Well done.

288 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:55:56pm

re: #286 prairiefire

We do, here in Mighty Mo. Also, deer and turkey hunters can turn their kill over to be processed for the needy.

Really... in Colorado, it's against the law to kill the geese accept during hunting season, and then, of course you can't do that in the cities.

There are thousands of them in Denver are suburbs, you would think that there would be some way to make use of all that poultry.

289 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:09pm

re: #287 torrentprime

Well done.

Thank you.

290 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:26pm

re: #285 torrentprime

Just did - he's googlemapping the local office right now. It's amazing what the possibility of $22 an hour will do to one's motivation.

Hooray for you!

291 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:33pm

re: #273 reine.de.tout

Just resent.

292 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:47pm

Wilders statements about banning the Koran are stupid. However if the major parties in the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe don't acknowledge or understand the threat to their culture and way of life from radical islam, then more extreme parties will arise.

293 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:59pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

*blush*

Oh, *pshaw* You know I have a long and solid respect for you, Kilgore.

*deploys fan*

294 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:57:16pm

re: #290 Floral Giraffe

Hooray for you!

Well, hooray for the whole house, really. Covering his rent was doable but not sustainable.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:57:46pm

re: #192 Cato the Elder

Wuz shee rilly in a Bond fillum? And Daniel Craig refused her advances?

That would explain a lot.

I was just referring to the gold-spray get-up.

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:58:25pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

OK, OnT, opposite of OT!

Geert Wilders is a despicable man. He wants to make Islam illegal.

How do you pronounce Geert's name, anyway?

297 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:58:32pm

re: #292 sandbox

Wilders statements about banning the Koran are stupid. However if the major parties in the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe don't acknowledge or understand the threat to their culture and way of life from radical islam, then more extreme parties will arise.

The test for whether major parties "acknowledge or understand" the threat should not be administered by those more extreme parties themselves, however.

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:58:47pm

re: #208 erraticsphinx

Oh yeah, you're right. Judging from what I saw of Oakland, now that I remember...hippie was Berkeley. Oakland was dangerous.

There are areas of both that reverse that, though.

299 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:59:00pm

re: #285 torrentprime

Just did - he's googlemapping the local office right now. It's amazing what the possibility of $22 an hour will do to one's motivation.

I'm unemployed again, and I go for testing on Wed. It's closer to 15 an hour around here, plus milage. They need a lot of people in the mountains here.

I think they should arrange thing with Jehovah's Witnesses, I don't know anyone better in arranging to canvas and visit every domicile in an area then they are.

When I was a Witness, I saw how all that worked, very well organized... and FREE.

300 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:59:03pm

re: #297 torrentprime

Nicely put.

301 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:59:05pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you pronounce Geert's name, anyway?

G = H

302 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:59:18pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Good for you. Hope you're getting a taste of the film.

303 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:59:29pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

That's another God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater reference. That's the song of the bird Eliot Rosewater hears while in the loon bin.

Also the last word in "Slaughterhouse-Five".

304 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:00:15pm

re: #300 Obdicut

Nicely put.

ty

305 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:00:50pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Also, Congratulations Walter, very cool.
The last several Geese kills that I know of where on private lakes. One PETA woman moved away over it! (Supposedly)
If the geese returned to their normal habitat it wouldn't be so bad. As it is, they stay and use up the natural resources for indigenous animals. They are a filthy menace and I do not like them. There are always accounts of attacking males during nesting season at the Corporate Parks. Chasing men in suits!

306 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:01:01pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Excellent Walter!

I'm reading Buttercups now, started last night, should finis tonight. I wish I could have pulled it off in one sitting, but not to be. I'll let you know when I'm done.

307 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:01:11pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you pronounce Geert's name, anyway?

I think it's sort of guttural "Hairt."

308 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:01:27pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

I'm unemployed again, and I go for testing on Wed. It's closer to 15 an hour around here, plus milage. They need a lot of people in the mountains here.

I think they should arrange thing with Jehovah's Witnesses, I don't know anyone better in arranging to canvas and visit every domicile in an area then they are.

When I was a Witness, I saw how all that worked, very well organized... and FREE.

You should get at least one plotline from the experience.

309 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:02:12pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

Good for you. Hope you're getting a taste of the film.

Do you mean getting a possible film deal? If that's what you mean, no, my underlying rights agreement with the William Morris Agency (who owns the publishing rights to the book) in regards to my stage adaptation of the book, doesn't give me the right to sell the play for movie rights. Not the way my contract stands currently.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:02:17pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

We have thousands of them stop in Denver every year and STAY. It is extremely annoying.

I've always wonder if we couldn't help feed the poor by killing geese.

When they thin out the deer out in Point Reyes they always donate the meat to local shelters.

311 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:02:29pm

re: #305 prairiefire

Thanks.

312 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:03:00pm

Congratulations Walter. It's good to see your hard work being recognized. Kudos to you!

313 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:03:38pm

re: #306 Stanley Sea

Excellent Walter!

I'm reading Buttercups now, started last night, should finis tonight. I wish I could have pulled it off in one sitting, but not to be. I'll let you know when I'm done.

Please email me with your critique, I really like productive criticism.

314 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:03:41pm

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

Thought the old film might have been at least partially derived from your scriptwriting.

315 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:03:52pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Congratulations, Walter, that's really a significant achievement.

316 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:04:01pm

re: #306 Stanley Sea

Thanks.

317 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:04:09pm

re: #312 Irenicum

Congratulations Walter. It's good to see your hard work being recognized. Kudos to you!

Thanks.

318 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:04:17pm

re: #315 jaunte

Congratulations, Walter, that's really a significant achievement.

Thanks.

319 webevintage  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:04:26pm

I'm just having a hard time getting over the nekid!Rham story tonight.
Ladies, you know what I'm talkin' about....right?

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:04:54pm

re: #281 Floral Giraffe

And, tell everyone that you know, who is unemployed!

Many thanks, forwarded that to the husband.

321 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:06:00pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Thought the old film might have been at least partially derived from your scriptwriting.

Oh... no. For a matter of fact, when Variety Magazine saw my play they commented "…the dramatic arc is a compelling mix of personal, familial and professional themes that represents the actual events in a way the 1977 film does not." (Bob Bows - Variety Magazine- 2004)

322 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:06:27pm

re: #319 webevintage

I'm just having a hard time getting over the nekid!Rham story tonight.
Ladies, you know what I'm talkin' about...right?

I am no lady, but I could have lived without that particular story myself!

323 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:06:57pm

re: #297 torrentprime

That's the way it works in parliamentary democracies. The voters determine who represents them best. In the Netherlands people are afraid of increasing sharia law influence and radical islamists in general. So this fear spills over to "all" Muslims, which is a bad development. IMO the EU countries have an obligation to identify and deport non-citizen radical islamists.

324 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:07:06pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

Oh... no. For a matter of fact, when Variety Magazine saw my play they commented "…the dramatic arc is a compelling mix of personal, familial and professional themes that represents the actual events in a way the 1977 film does not." (Bob Bows - Variety Magazine- 2004)

Yes--Just read the Wiki on your version.

325 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:07:34pm

re: #323 sandbox

And what's your definition of 'radical islamist'?

326 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:07:58pm

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

what good is gold without a "crisis garden"?
/

Glenn Beck's dwindling list of advertisers got a healthy boost Monday from Survival Seed Bank, a new advertiser peddling seeds to grow "crisis gardens."

327 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:09:57pm

re: #325 Obdicut

Anyone who seeks to implement sharia law for Muslims in the host country or advocates violent jihad as a way to settle international disputes.

328 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:10:24pm

re: #323 sandbox

That's the way it works in parliamentary democracies. The voters determine who represents them best.


Based on what information?
My point was not to take sides on whether the islamofascosocialinazi threat is being taken seriously (see what I did there?) but to point out that those who advocate for scarier and more extreme answers to perceived problems - or just advocate for the party that pays them- have a vested interest in painting opponents' response as inadequate or dangerous (see also, Liz Cheney).

329 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:12:48pm

re: #325 Obdicut

And what's your definition of 'radical islamist'?

Probably no one has a problem with deporting undesirable radical non-citizens anywhere in the world except in the US, and that is only because of the 13,000,000 illegal Mexicans.

330 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:12:53pm

re: #326 zora

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

what good is gold without a "crisis garden"?
/

Glenn Beck's dwindling list of advertisers got a healthy boost Monday from Survival Seed Bank, a new advertiser peddling seeds to grow "crisis gardens."

Why didn't I think of that angle... shit.

331 Uninformed Opinion  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:13:14pm

It was the emphasis "In Europe"

In the US, the left is both communist AND fascist.

332 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:13:47pm

re: #294 torrentprime

Well, hooray for the whole house, really. Covering his rent was doable but not sustainable.

Keeping the wolves from the door, even a few days more, is a good thing!

333 Uninformed Opinion  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:14:29pm

re: #331 Uninformed Opinion

It was the emphasis "In Europe"

In the US, the left is both communist AND fascist.

According to Beck.

334 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:14:46pm

re: #327 sandbox

Sharia law in the same fashion that Jews have Beth Din, in Britain? Do you think Jews who use the Beth Din should be deported, or did you mean something else?

I don't think that people who advocate violent jihad should be deported, I think they should be arrested, by the way.

335 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:15:03pm

re: #326 zora

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

what good is gold without a "crisis garden"?
/

Glenn Beck's dwindling list of advertisers got a healthy boost Monday from Survival Seed Bank, a new advertiser peddling seeds to grow "crisis gardens."

"Survival Seeds" has been a radio sponsor for a long time, at least where I used to hear the show.

336 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:15:10pm

re: #331 Uninformed Opinion

It was the emphasis "In Europe"

In the US, the left is both communist AND fascist.

Reality inverts when you cross the Greenwich meridian.

337 The Yankee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:15:56pm

re: #331 Uninformed Opinion

It was the emphasis "In Europe"

In the US, the left is both communist AND fascist.

Yea there is nothing evil about the American Right. They are responsible for all good things from the finding of this country, to civil rights, to the women's movement, to the end of the cold war. All things evil are left wing.

338 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:16:34pm

re: #329 Spare O'Lake

What on earth does that mean? You think a lot of Mexican illegal immigrants are 'radicals'?

And are you just counting all Hispanics as 'Mexican'?

339 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:17:34pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Really... in Colorado, it's against the law to kill the geese accept during hunting season, and then, of course you can't do that in the cities.

There are thousands of them in Denver are suburbs, you would think that there would be some way to make use of all that poultry.

We've got them in big numbers here in Chicagoland, too. Some office or shopping senter ponds spend much of their year as goose nurseries and that means you can't go near them, because geese bite if you get near their young.

340 Uninformed Opinion  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:19:25pm

re: #337 The Yankee

Yea there is nothing evil about the American Right. They are responsible for all good things from the finding of this country, to civil rights, to the women's movement, to the end of the cold war. All things evil are left wing.

Well, with our president on his Marxist, Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist plot, there are no bad influences available for the right...
/

341 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:19:38pm

re: #334 Obdicut

Why shouldn't people who advocate violent jihad be deported.? Why clog up our legal system with these kinds of cases.?

342 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:20:22pm

re: #341 sandbox

Here's a hint: They probably won't stop advocating violent Jihad when they get back home.

And are you seriously advocating deporting them without a trial in the first place?

343 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:21:00pm

re: #331 Uninformed Opinion

I think you wanted a sarc tag on that. People have argued Beck's position.

344 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:21:53pm

re: #341 sandbox

I'd also like a reply about Jews and Beth Din, by the way.

345 Uninformed Opinion  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:22:18pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

I think you wanted a sarc tag on that. People have argued Beck's position.

Yes, i did.

346 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:22:31pm

re: #338 Obdicut

What on earth does that mean? You think a lot of Mexican illegal immigrants are 'radicals'?

And are you just counting all Hispanics as 'Mexican'?

Keep your shirt on. I meant Hispanics and no I don't think they are radicals. Now why don't you consider my point, which was that undesireable non-citizens may be, and are, legally deported everywhere in the world except lately in the US?

347 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:23:16pm

re: #342 Obdicut

I think its better that they advocate violent jihad in their country or origin, rather than in the USA. Duh...
What possible upside is there to granting visa entry to radical islamists?

348 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:23:37pm

re: #346 Spare O'Lake

If you mean "hispanics", don't say "Mexicans". That's pretty basic.


Now why don't you consider my point, which was that undesireable non-citizens may be, and are, legally deported everywhere in the world except lately in the US?

Because it's a strawman? We do deport people. We deport people all the time.

What are you talking about?

349 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:24:03pm

re: #346 Spare O'Lake

Keep your shirt on. I meant Hispanics and no I don't think they are radicals. Now why don't you consider my point, which was that undesireable non-citizens may be, and are, legally deported everywhere in the world except lately in the US?

I'm trying to figure out why Mexicans are undesirable. Shirt on or off...

350 Uninformed Opinion  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:25:25pm

Lets not forget that cheap mexican labor makes this large parts of our country work.

351 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:25:27pm

re: #347 sandbox

Wow, you're 'duh' has really convinced me. Thanks for including that.

Why are we suddenly talking about granting visa entry, and not deporting people? Do you remember we were talking about deporting people?

Can you please answer whether you are also against the Beth Din for Jews in Britain, and whether you are in favor of deporting people without 'clogging up the legal system'?

352 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:25:45pm

re: #349 cliffster

I'm trying to figure out why Mexicans are undesirable. Shirt on or off...

Illegals are undesireable everywhere except in the US.

353 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:28:53pm

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Aren't you Canadian?

From Wiki:

There is no credible information available on illegal immigration in Canada. Estimates range between 35,000 and 120,000 illegal immigrants in Canada.[12] James Bissett, a former head of the Canadian Immigration Service, has suggested that the lack of any credible refugee screening process, combined with a high likelihood of ignoring any deportation orders, has resulted in tens of thousands of outstanding warrants for the arrest of rejected refugee claimants, with little attempt at enforcement.[13] Unlike in the U.S., refugee claimants in Canada do not have to attempt re-entry to learn the status of their claim. A 2008 report by the Auditor General Sheila Fraser stated that Canada has lost track of as many as 41,000 illegal immigrants.[14][15] This number is predicted to increase drastically with the expiration of temporary employer work permits issued in 2007 and 2008, not renewed in many cases because of the shortage of work due to the recession [16]

354 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:29:06pm

re: #344 Obdicut

From what I know about Beth Dins, they are not compulsory and some Jews forcing other Jews to follow Jewish law is not any kind of issue. However there is an intent toward compulsion in sharia law. The radicals try to force the moderates (especially women) to follow the law. I can't believe you're defending sharia law.

355 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:29:41pm

re: #348 Obdicut

If you mean "hispanics", don't say "Mexicans". That's pretty basic.

Because it's a strawman? We do deport people. We deport people all the time.

What are you talking about?

He's working up to the "dhimmicrats don't acknowledge or understand the danger we face" scenario; he just needs to change the basis of his argument and the goal of the debate a few times in order to produce maximum FUD.

356 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:30:25pm

re: #351 Obdicut

Wow, you're 'duh' has really convinced me. Thanks for including that.

Why are we suddenly talking about granting visa entry, and not deporting people? Do you remember we were talking about deporting people?

Can you please answer whether you are also against the Beth Din for Jews in Britain, and whether you are in favor of deporting people without 'clogging up the legal system'?

So you are in favour of dispensing with the entire immigration system and simply admitting anyone who manages to get in? Get real please.

357 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:30:49pm

re: #354 sandbox

I can't believe you're defending sharia law.

I can't believe you're accusing me of defending Sharia law, so we're even.

You have no intention of an honest discussion.

358 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:31:54pm

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

So you are in favour of dispensing with the entire immigration system and simply admitting anyone who manages to get in? Get real please.

Please show me where I have said anything that in any way, at all, approaches that.

And can you explain why you think the US doesn't deport people, when it does, and why you think the US is the only country that's 'ok' with illegals when Canada isn't bothering to enforce its deportation orders?

359 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:32:05pm

re: #356 Spare O'Lake
and whether you are in favor of deporting people without 'clogging up the legal system'?

So you are in favour of dispensing with the entire immigration system and simply admitting anyone who manages to get in? Get real please.

Obdi,
SoL does know, right, that "deportation" refers to people leaving a country? Just checking.

360 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:33:33pm

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Illegals are undesireable everywhere except in the US.

I don't think you find the illegal Mexicans as undesirable as you think you do

361 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:33:48pm

re: #359 torrentprime

Well, logically, if you couldn't deport anyone, we'd be 'admitting' them in a certain sense, though it's a bit of a tautology with 'manages to get it'.

Meanwhile, it appears that Canada has dispensed with much of an immigration system and simply admits anyone who manages to get in.

Say, I wonder if the number of Hispanic immigrants we have has anything to do with geography, rather than public policy-- nah, that couldn't make a difference.

362 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:36:53pm

"The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

363 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:37:27pm

For the record: If there are to be any 'religious' or cultural special courts-- and I don't think there ever should be, in the US, but if there are, wherever, they need to be watched over carefully and objectively by the court system in general, and any proceedings that in any way violate the rights of the participants (such as a woman's testimony being discounted because of her gender) should be completely disallowed.

If they function like civil mediators, that's fine.

364 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:37:48pm

re: #361 Obdicut


Say, I wonder if the number of Hispanic immigrants we have has anything to do with geography, rather than public policy-- nah, that couldn't make a difference.

:)
Nope, couldn't possibly make a difference. "Predictable, really, I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism innocence to pose the question in the first place"

(MP always works, even if you have to change a word here and there)

365 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:39:47pm

re: #363 Obdicut

I agree.
Go tell that to the sharia law advocates. They could care less about our laws.

366 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:40:18pm

re: #358 Obdicut

Please show me where I have said anything that in any way, at all, approaches that.

And can you explain why you think the US doesn't deport people, when it does, and why you think the US is the only country that's 'ok' with illegals when Canada isn't bothering to enforce its deportation orders?


Uh oh. Logs in eyes and all that.

367 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:41:09pm

re: #358 Obdicut

Please show me where I have said anything that in any way, at all, approaches that.

And can you explain why you think the US doesn't deport people, when it does, and why you think the US is the only country that's 'ok' with illegals when Canada isn't bothering to enforce its deportation orders?

You said non-citizens should not be deported without a trial. The only defence available to a non-citizen is that they are refugees or that they have some other legal status. If they can't prove that, then out they should go.

The US is not going to deport the 13,000,000 illegals. You know it, I know it, we all know it. But that doesn't mean other countries can't have a rational immigration system and enforce their laws to deport undesireable non-citizens who do not have refugee or other legal status.

Canada has a pathetic enforcement record. But Canadians do not support allowing illegals to stay, the way the US seems to.

368 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:41:35pm

re: #365 sandbox

It's amazing that you can continue on without missing a beat, as though you'd not accused me of 'defending Sharia law'.

Are you going to answer any of the outstanding questions you've dodged, or are you pretty much done here?

369 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:41:50pm

em>re: #366 Jadespring

Jade, I'm not bagging on Canada, I'm only making a point that Canada-- and every first world country, actually-- does have illegal immigrants and don't especially 'care' about them. Canada mainly because the number is so low, because Canada is freaking hard to get to, man.

370 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:43:19pm

re: #363 Obdicut

For the record: If there are to be any 'religious' or cultural special courts-- and I don't think there ever should be, in the US, but if there are, wherever, they need to be watched over carefully and objectively by the court system in general, and any proceedings that in any way violate the rights of the participants (such as a woman's testimony being discounted because of her gender) should be completely disallowed.

If they function like civil mediators, that's fine.

I would be subject to Agnostic Court--all juries are hung.

371 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:44:37pm

Sharia law is not a real issue in the US, and it's never going to be. You're not going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly hear the adhan at 5 am right outside your freaking window. Give me a break. Get real. Get a grip. Have some faith in your own heritage.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

372 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:44:55pm

re: #368 Obdicut

Ok. I will take back my comment (I assume you can do that here) that your are defending sharia law. I thought I answered your other questions. I'm starting to feel like a witness at a deposition.

373 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:46:06pm

re: #367 Spare O'Lake

You said non-citizens should not be deported without a trial. The only defence available to a non-citizen is that they are refugees or that they have some other legal status. If they can't prove that, then out they should go.

You may not be aware, but a lot of other countries have statuses other than "citizen" and "illegal immigrant". In the US, for example, we have "resident aliens", who are never going to give up their citizenship but are allowed to reside here. Europe has many countries with many similar classifications.

So no, you are completely wrong about the defenses available to non-citizens.

The US is not going to deport the 13,000,000 illegals. You know it, I know it, we all know it. But that doesn't mean other countries can't have a rational immigration system and enforce their laws to deport undesireable non-citizens who do not have refugee or other legal status.

This point is moot, in the light of categories other than 'refugee' and 'citizen'.

Canada has a pathetic enforcement record. But Canadians do not support allowing illegals to stay, the way the US seems to.

How do you manage to reconcile those two statements in your head?

374 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #369 Obdicut

em>re: #366 Jadespring

Jade, I'm not bagging on Canada, I'm only making a point that Canada-- and every first world country, actually-- does have illegal immigrants and don't especially 'care' about them. Canada mainly because the number is so low, because Canada is freaking hard to get to, man.

I know. I meant that in reference to Spare's critical comments about the US. I thought to myself, wow it's not like we don't have a similar sort of thing going on here.

375 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:46:36pm

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Tell that one to Mandy, she'll take a sudden interest in agnostics.

/

376 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:47:17pm

re: #360 cliffster

I don't think you find the illegal Mexicans as undesirable as you think you do

It's not what I think that matters. It's whether the US government wants to enforce its own existing immigration laws or not. We were discussing the Euronazi Wilders and I was simply distinguishing between his wish to outlaw Islam and possibly deport legally landed Muslims on the one hand, and the perfectly legitimate right of European countries to deport illegal immigrants if they wish on the other hand.

377 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:47:54pm

re: #374 Jadespring

Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining. And for the record, Canada probably could just toss them all down to the US and we'd never notice.

378 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:48:39pm

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

I'm not sure why you'd think anyone was arguing against a government's right to deport illegal immigrants.

Though I would debate the cost and the wisdom of doing so.

379 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:49:10pm

re: #377 Obdicut

Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining. And for the record, Canada probably could just toss them all down to the US and we'd never notice.

Well I think some do go south and many do come north. Maybe it just evens itself out somehow.

380 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:51:51pm

re: #378 Obdicut

I'm not sure why you'd think anyone was arguing against a government's right to deport illegal immigrants.

Though I would debate the cost and the wisdom of doing so.

Sometimes it's wise to deport some of them, those who commit crimes or are not willing to assimilate even to a minimal degree.

381 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:52:00pm

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

It's not what I think that matters. It's whether the US government wants to enforce its own existing immigration laws or not. We were discussing the Euronazi Wilders and I was simply distinguishing between his wish to outlaw Islam and possibly deport legally landed Muslims on the one hand, and the perfectly legitimate right of European countries to deport illegal immigrants if they wish on the other hand.

Fair enough. I jumped in when I heard "Mexican" and "undesirable" together. I think that's all talk when people talk about it. But I'll jump out now.

382 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:52:32pm

Did I mention that sharia law is not gonna happen in the US?

383 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:52:35pm

re: #280 prairiefire

No! That review was not helpful, not helpful at all. I tried to write a review but my real name came up, even after changing my account. Not gonna go there!

Go to your account, personalization (last item on the list), Community, your public profile. There you can change the name that shows up when you post something.

384 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:53:59pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

Absolutely-- though if we have reason to believe they'll be released from jail in their country of origin, I'd rather hold them here.

I'd love to see immigration changed into an actual meritocracy, with military or civil service leading towards citizenship. I think we'd have far less illegal immigration if people felt that the process wasn't so goddamn arbitrary.

385 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:56:26pm

re: #378 Obdicut

I'm not sure why you'd think anyone was arguing against a government's right to deport illegal immigrants.

Though I would debate the cost and the wisdom of doing so.

Only citizens and landed immigrants have permanent status. All others are here at the pleasure of the government and there is no obligation on the government to renew their visas when they expire, in which case they may be legally deported. Is that so hard to grasp?

386 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:56:33pm

re: #382 Charles

Did I mention that sharia law is not gonna happen in the US?

Except possibly as a new Fox reality show.

387 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:56:52pm

re: #384 Obdicut

Absolutely-- though if we have reason to believe they'll be released from jail in their country of origin, I'd rather hold them here.

I'd love to see immigration changed into an actual meritocracy, with military or civil service leading towards citizenship. I think we'd have far less illegal immigration if people felt that the process wasn't so goddamn arbitrary.

Quite Concur.

388 sandbox  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:58:24pm

re: #382 Charles

It is happening now de facto in many Muslim neighborhoods in EU cities.

389 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:58:25pm

re: #385 Spare O'Lake

Where do you mean by 'here'? And no, you're still wrong. Resident aliens are granted permanent residence. They have no visa, and it doesn't expire.

390 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:59:22pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

Hi Reine, did you get my mail?

391 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:59:30pm

re: #388 sandbox

It is happening now de facto in many Muslim neighborhoods in EU cities.

But not here. However, losing Europe to either Radical Islam or Fascism would do us great harm.

392 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:59:39pm

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

You and I should start making a list of things we agree on, and form a new political party based around them.

I'm only half joking.

393 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:03:39pm

re: #382 Charles

Did I mention that sharia law is not gonna happen in the US?

We came very, very, close to recognizing it in Canada in the context of matrimonial law. At the last minute, the pols got the balls to nix it.

394 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:05:34pm

re: #390 Spare O'Lake

Hi Reine, did you get my mail?

yep.
Thanks!

395 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:07:46pm

re: #393 Spare O'Lake

We came very, very, close to recognizing it in Canada in the context of matrimonial law. At the last minute, the pols got the balls to nix it.

When was that?

396 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:08:46pm

re: #199 Jimmah

Or alternatively, Allah Ackbar.

Are you making a sly reference to avatars?

397 keloyd  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:11:25pm

I'm vaguely aware of the existence of legally binding beth dins (Jewish civil courts) up North. IIRC, their legal position is akin to secular private, binding arbitration. Muslim and Jewish populations in the US are roughly equal, depending on who's counting. If Muslims want Sharia courts to settle family law and food issues, what's to stop them following the precedent?

I'm also guessing/hoping that American comfortable, middle class, white collar Muslim jurisprudence will be much less medieval than the horror stories we hear from Saudi Arabia or the Taliban.

398 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:13:20pm

re: #389 Obdicut

Where do you mean by 'here'? And no, you're still wrong. Resident aliens are granted permanent residence. They have no visa, and it doesn't expire.

Pretty sure many countries have something like that. At least, I know that would be my status in the UK after two years as the spouse of a UK citizen. They call it a permanent visa or permanent 'leave to remain', or LTR visa, where you can enter and re-enter the country, etc.

399 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:14:34pm

re: #395 Jadespring

When was that?

This link is old (CBC News from '05), but it seems to explain a lot of what we're dealing with. That constitutional (Charter?) protections would always apply first and foremost goes a long way to soothing my personal concerns about using sharia-based courts as an arbitration route, but I understand that enforcement could be problematic.

400 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:16:09pm

re: #388 sandbox

It is happening now de facto in many Muslim neighborhoods in EU cities.

Nobody denies that Europe has problems resulting from the large number of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. But the people who are telling you that Europe is about to become Eurabia are full of crapola.

401 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:16:39pm

re: #305 prairiefire

A goose is a delicious alternative to a turkey. Just sayin'.

402 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:17:06pm

re: #396 Cato the Elder

Are you making a sly reference to avatars?

Youtube Video
403 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:19:21pm

re: #399 torrentprime

This link is old (CBC News from '05), but it seems to explain a lot of what we're dealing with. That constitutional (Charter?) protections would always apply first and foremost goes a long way to soothing my personal concerns about using sharia-based courts as an arbitration route, but I understand that enforcement could be problematic.

Thanks I'll give that at looksee. And yes it would be the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that you are referring to. It's a bill of rights that's entrenched in the Constitution.

404 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:20:55pm

re: #403 Jadespring

Thanks I'll give that at looksee. And yes it would be the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that you are referring to. It's a bill of rights that's entrenched in the Constitution.

I just wasn't sure how it/they were referred to. I knew I was going to either misstate or say in American terms what we're dealing with; thanks.

405 The Yankee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:48:10pm

Aren't there special courts for Native Americans when stuff happens on their land?

Not saying that means we will have Sharian law because of the Indian courts system if that actually exist.

406 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:51:39pm

re: #373 Obdicut

How do you manage to reconcile those two statements in your head?

The government does the deporting, not the people. Two seperate groups can have opposing views, even if one is voted into power by the other.

407 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:55:40pm

re: #405 The Yankee

Aren't there special courts for Native Americans when stuff happens on their land?

Not saying that means we will have Sharian law because of the Indian courts system if that actually exist.

Yep in some cases, though I think it mostly is more directed at the sentencing and punishment part of it and I don't think it's completely separated from the state legal systems. I could be wrong though. We have a similar thing up here in some jurisdictions usually some form of a justice circle or a community justice circle. It's particularly directed at the youth justice system.

408 kobra_55  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:44:55pm

For some reason far right in-fighting is like a book I can't put down. It's morbidly fascinating.

409 Winny Spencer  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:25:00pm

I think Glenn is just busy pandering to a new crowd, the paleo-conservative isolationist Luap Nor-gang, and thus he has new priorities. He probably even failed to remember the time when he himself gave Wilders a platform on his show and during the entire interview was nodding in agreement.

What's with all the disparaging comments about "eurotrash" through?

410 dean_k  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 3:14:20am

I especially like this comment:

"Beck could destroy the freedom movement in Europe"

Why would she think Europeans have even heard of Beck? I've only heard of him because I follow US politics. Everyone here knows Obama, but that's about it.

411 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 9:33:57am

I am really glad that a rational and intelligent thinker like Glenn Beck now joins the ranks of the heroic fighters against Islamophobia, the worst menace for humankind (right after the global warming-apocalypse, of course).

Geert Wilders, who is for the banning of a book which calls the Jews "Apes and Pigs" is portrayed as the new Hitler in German Media, because, as we all know and Oslogin can confirm, Hitler was a strong advocate for the Jews and a sharp critic of Islamic Ideology.
See here the cover of German daily taz, one of the biggest German newspapers, illustrating Geert Wilders with Hitler moustache.

Again, it's good to know that there are also reasonable people in the USA, like Glenn Beck, who fight Islamophobia.
Let's hope that one day people like the representative of the islamophobic country of Israel, Michael Oren, can not speak at all in the USA anymore:

Youtube Video
412 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 9:44:40am

re: #411 gegenkritik

Well, it took a while for them to show up, but here come the raving anti-Muslim ideologues.

413 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 9:55:16am

re: #411 gegenkritik

Do you care what Jews think of him?

414 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:01:09am

re: #413 Obdicut
I don't care what you think.

415 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:04:59am

re: #412 Charles
Sorry, while you were writing this post about your new star in the fight against Islamophobia, I was sleeping (as I usually do around midnight).

And thanks for the compliment.

416 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:14:53am

Please, don't let me stop you. Keep spewing. Let everyone see how irrational you are on this subject.

417 Girth  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:24:10am

LOL.

Just read the shrieking harpy's post about Beck and Wilders. Certainly a unique brand of crazy.

I particularly like the update where she says that Wilders doesn't want to ban Islam, he just compared the Koran to Mein Kampf.

Coincidentally, isn't Mein Kampf is banned in the Netherlands?

That's like saying someone doesn't want to ban Christianity, just ban the Bible.

418 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:25:40am

Ok, to proof how irrational I am on this subject, lets dig out some LGF-posts from 2009, about a planned anti-Muslim-conference in Cologne, organized by small local fascist group pro-Köln, who announced Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller as speakers:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You are right Charles - I am totally irrational on the subject, hate all Muslims, want to destroy all mosques.

419 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:28:06am

re: #418 gegenkritik

What was that supposed to prove? Help us who lack your superior mentality figure out what you were trying to achieve by posting those.

420 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:33:20am

re: #417 Girth

Coincidentally, isn't Mein Kampf is banned in the Netherlands?.


The publishing rights for Mein Kampf are held by the state of Bavaria (ending in 2015), thus, they prohibit the (official) reprinting of the book.

Nonetheless, Mein Kampf is a very popular book among Muslims. In Turkey, it was placed third in the bestselling-list, before Bavaria engaged in the issue and prohibited the reprinting.
In the Arabic world, you can find endless reproductions of Mein Kampf, I've seen several of those books myself.

421 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:35:26am

re: #418 gegenkritik

Ok, to proof how irrational I am on this subject, lets dig out some LGF-posts from 2009, about a planned anti-Muslim-conference in Cologne, organized by small local fascist group pro-Köln, who announced Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller as speakers:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You are right Charles - I am totally irrational on the subject, hate all Muslims, want to destroy all mosques.

I give you credit for calling out the fascists. I don't give you any credit for supporting Geert Wilders, whose agenda is deeply illiberal and repressive. The only real difference between Wilders and the Vlaams Belang is that he's slightly more clever about concealing it.

422 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:35:40am

re: #419 Obdicut

Help us who lack your superior mentality figure out what you were trying to achieve by posting those.


Why are you using the plural? I think it's just you, others are intelligent enough to click the LGF-links and read the words there.

423 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:41:30am

re: #421 Charles
I am not happy with many of Wilders' politics (this includes the banning of the Quran) and I even agree with you, that many of his suggestions are illiberal.

But I prefer him anytime over the collaborators of Jihad, the cold-blooded ignorants of Islamic atrocities, the appeasers, and the enemies of Israel and the USA (Wilders is one of the very few european politicans who is not anti-Israel and anti-USA, and this, by the way, is also a huge difference between Wilders/PVV and VB).

424 gegenkritik  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 10:56:52am

re: #420 gegenkritik
Correction: Acording to Wikipedia, the copyright has been relinquished for the English, Dutch and Swedish editions. Though, it's illegal to sell Mein Kampf in the Netherlands.


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