Monday Night Music: Punch Brothers, ‘Punchbowl’

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Mandolin maestro Chris Thile’s latest band is called Punch Brothers, and here’s a beautifully twisted song from their album Punch. [iTunes]

Youtube Video

A comment posted at YouTube:

the album “Punch” outlines the story of Chris Thile’s divorce… it opens with this song, Punch Bowl… IF you listen to the words, you find out that this song is about the night his (then) wife went to a party and got drunk on punch… she then slept with some fellow…

the dissonant chords are when the song is about her…. when they go to the pretty “Major” chords… that’s him speaking from his point of view….

it truly is genius…. go buy the album…. then you’ll understand….

I don’t know if the rest is accurate, but I completely agree on the last point. This is a recording you need to hear if you like music; its roots are in bluegrass, but Thile and his gifted acoustic band are doing something entirely new.

It might take several listens to get (it did for me), but the best music is often like that.

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277 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:52:31pm

Just in time for the music!

2 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:53:42pm

Harmonically very interesting.

3 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:09pm

I love this song. Got the album a few days ago.

4 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:56:17pm

For once, a YouTube comment actually provides useful information...

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:57:52pm

I liked it on the first listen. Bluegrass is ok but not terribly appealing to me. Bella Fleck did a nice job but he was moslty doing Fusion Jazz with Bluegrass instrumentation. This takes it to a new level, It's something interesting on its own.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:58:38pm

A little Zydeco, a little BlueGrass, a lot of invention...

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:59:10pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I liked it on the first listen. Bluegrass is ok but not terribly appealing to me. Bella Fleck did a nice job but he was moslty doing Fusion Jazz with Bluegrass instrumentation. This takes it to a new level, It's something interesting on its own.

Bela Fleck's African album is great. Highly recommend.

8 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:00:56pm

Thiss sonj dedikated to the punch-drunk Pamz of the wurld.

9 Bob Levin  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:01:33pm

I know that it is very hard to sing in a different key than you're playing in. I do that naturally and by accident, but on purpose if you can actually sing, very difficult.

The harmony is one of those moments of "of course, why didn't someone do that sooner?"

What would it have sounded like if groups like the Dillards, guys with chops, chose to do that? Wow. They wouldn't even need lyrics, or symbolism. It would have been great.

10 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:02:45pm

re: #4 Charles

For once, a YouTube comment actually provides useful information...

There are a few others like it. Check out the comments of this vid:

11 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:03:08pm

I think I first heard them on Prairie Home Companion. It's the guy from Nickel Creek, one of the guys from Leftover Salmon and some others to almost make it a supergroup.

12 SteveC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:03:11pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I liked it on the first listen. Bluegrass is ok but not terribly appealing to me. Bella Fleck did a nice job but he was moslty doing Fusion Jazz with Bluegrass instrumentation. This takes it to a new level, It's something interesting on its own.

I like Bluegrass. But it is like Candy Corn to me - I have to have just a little bit at the time!

13 SteveC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:06:37pm

I can confirm that there has been a JAILBREAK! Zeb, the little boy who had heart surgery last week, was last seen running down the hall clutching his discharge papers, with a half a dozen doctors and nurses (and a billing clerk!) in hot pursuit!

Go Zeb Go!

14 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:08:31pm

Stunning live performance of 'Aerodynamik' by Kraftwerk:

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:09:14pm

re: #13 SteveC

I can confirm that there has been a JAILBREAK! Zeb, the little boy who had heart surgery last week, was last seen running down the hall clutching his discharge papers, with a half a dozen doctors and nurses (and a billing clerk!) in hot pursuit!

Go Zeb Go!

Rocking!

16 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:10:35pm
It might take several listens to get (it did for me), but the best music is often like that.

That's exactly how I got to love the now disbanded Dead Can Dance. Lisa Gerrard has the best of all vocals evah! I dig the male vocalist as well, Brendan Perry.

17 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:10:50pm

re: #14 Jimmah

I used to love Kraftwerk when I was a kid. Pocket Calculator was a favorite of mine.

18 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:16:31pm

Here's my band's latest video on YouTube. It's a short one (2 minutes) but we'll get more up from the 75 minutes or so of footage we have up soon.

19 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:17:06pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I liked it on the first listen. Bluegrass is ok but not terribly appealing to me. Bella Fleck did a nice job but he was moslty doing Fusion Jazz with Bluegrass instrumentation. This takes it to a new level, It's something interesting on its own.

for me, I like BG the most at a festival or a pig roast setting...I never spin any at home or in the car....it's a backyard thing with me

20 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:17:10pm

Started this morning. Now finishing. "Awakenings" with Bobby de Niro.

Rilke's panther.

G'nite.

21 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:18:22pm

re: #17 darthstar

I used to love Kraftwerk when I was a kid. Pocket Calculator was a favorite of mine.

I still do. One of my faves here :

22 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:18:33pm

Not a bluegrass band, but a friend of mine saw these kids in New York the other night...three brothers not named Hanson. The McLovins...talk about kids with a future in the music biz...

23 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:19:04pm
24 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:20:45pm

Cool vid Charles. I love bluegrass and all kinds of traditional music. This album may be calling out my name.

25 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:21:09pm
26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:21:21pm

re: #20 Cato the Elder

Started this morning. Now finishing. "Awakenings" with Bobby de Niro.

Rilke's panther.

G'nite.

Enjoy Cato.

27 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:21:40pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

I saw that over the weekend. So sad.

28 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:23:44pm

I couldn't find my favorite Kraftwerk on Youtube. It was an early MTV video of the scruffy children stomping around.

29 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:24:37pm

re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here's my band's latest video on YouTube. It's a short one (2 minutes) but we'll get more up from the 75 minutes or so of footage we have up soon.


[Video]

rockin the house!

30 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:24:45pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

Rest in peace Sparklehorse.

Killed himself at 47. Very sad. Evfen limited fame can chew you up and spit you out.

31 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:24:49pm

I've gotten hooked on Brandi Carlile since Christmas. And with the passing of the lead singer of Sparklehorse, this song seems sadly appropriate. She wrote the song in memory of a friend who took his own life.

32 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:25:37pm

re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here's my band's latest video on YouTube. It's a short one (2 minutes) but we'll get more up from the 75 minutes or so of footage we have up soon.

You da man, man. Burning it up.

33 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:26:00pm
34 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:28:21pm

re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee

excellent way to wind up the night. g'night, friends-

35 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:28:41pm

So if I ever got another pet, I'd get a dog. A collie in particular, and name him Melon. That would be perfect.

36 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:29:39pm

ABC is doing a Truther segment tonight:

Inside a 9/11 'Truther' Convention


Chris Bury and producer Katie Hinman did just that this weekend -- attending a convention in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, alongside hundreds who share a collective distrust of the official explanation for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

As they will report tonight, the attendees come from several different viewpoints, knitted together in this "movement" largely online.

We talk to conference organizer Betsy Metz, who tells us there is "absolutely a cover-up," and the producers of "Loose Change" a conspiracy theorist film that is among the most downloaded videos in Google history.

Our presence was met, as you will see in tonight's segment, with some resistance. For obvious reasons, the "truther" movement has clashed with many in the mainstream media.

John Patrick Bedell, the gunman killed in last week's Pentagon shooting, had previously posted comments online that questioned what really happened in 2001. Those at the convention disavowed Bedell's act of violence.

37 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:31:42pm

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

38 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:32:08pm

re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee

Lady was into your solo.

39 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:32:48pm

Glad you all liked the video! That's not how I play all the time, it's really kind of a flashy, almost gimmicky way of playing very fast to impress the audience. But it works for the finale song we do at most gigs, and the audience always enjoys it.

40 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:32:48pm

The Supremes are going to take on Westboro Baptist Church:

Anti-gay protestors under Supreme Court scrutiny

The US Supreme Court has agreed to consider whether vitriolic anti-gay protestors who picket the funerals of US soldiers are protected by free speech laws.

The emotionally-charged case was brought by the family of US Marine Matthew Snyder, who was killed in combat in Iraq in 2006.

His family organized a private Christian funeral for him in Maryland that attracted members of the radical Westboro Church led by Baptist preacher Fred Phelps.

Phelps and his congregation regularly demonstrate at military funerals, carrying inflammatory signs to draw attention to their anti-gay message.

This should be interesting to watch.

41 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:32:48pm

re: #36 freetoken

ABC is doing a Truther segment tonight:

Inside a 9/11 'Truther' Convention

I don't envy the reporter assigned that story. Having to be around that much craziness would be quite unpleasant.

42 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:33:28pm
43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:33:45pm

re: #4 Charles

For once, a YouTube comment actually provides useful information...

And thusly, the Seventh Seal was broken.

It's cool, now I can see hell from my house.

44 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:33:48pm

re: #35 Irenicum

So if I ever got another pet, I'd get a dog. A collie in particular, and name him Melon. That would be perfect.

Teach him to howl the blues--be Blind Melon Collie.

45 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:34:15pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

Kinda a personal question dontcha think?

46 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:34:24pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Unfortunately it seems at times teh crazy is indeed an airborne illness. Let's hope the ABC crew had hazard suits.

47 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:34:54pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

Senators? Representatives? Lizards?

48 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:35:07pm
49 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:35:11pm

re: #40 freetoken

The Supremes are going to take on Westboro Baptist Church:

Anti-gay protestors under Supreme Court scrutiny

This should be interesting to watch.

True, with one small suggested change. Watching right-wingers try to take sides with the soldier's family while not in any way acknowledging or legitimizing the gay angle should be priceless to watch.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:36:07pm

re: #40 freetoken

The Supremes are going to take on Westboro Baptist Church:

Anti-gay protestors under Supreme Court scrutiny

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

This should be interesting to watch.

51 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:36:38pm

re: #49 torrentprime

Yup... arguments over teh ghey will break out all over the wingnut-o-sphere.

52 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:37:59pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

Are you looking for behavioral answers or advice on equipment?

53 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:38:27pm

re: #42 Racer X

'Astro-squirrels' use coconut shells as helmets

Ha!

Captain! The Tri-corder is reading several life forms in that direction!

54 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:38:33pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

The word connected needs to be clarified here, do you mean 'know' a dominatrix or are we 'currently leashed' to one?

55 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:38:45pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Senators? Representatives? Lizards?

Diagram?

56 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:39:03pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

Does getting your ass beat by a tranny count?

57 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:39:05pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

At the moment?

58 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:39:23pm

re: #40 freetoken

Ah, good ol' evil Fred Phelps. One of the musicians I saw on Friday night in NYC was Derek Webb and he has a song on his new album Stockholm Syndrome called Freddy Please. Here's Friday's performance.

59 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:39:56pm

re: #37 MandyManners

How many are connected to a dominatrix?

In bed.

60 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:40:07pm

re: #51 freetoken

Yup... arguments over teh ghey will break out all over the wingnut-o-sphere.

Honestly, I don't think so. Phelps is despised universally. The wingnut will join with the moonbat in denouncing the Phelps clan. The question will be "Did WBBC cross the line?"

61 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:40:26pm

Finally, and perhaps most troubling of the news stories crawling across my browser:

In Jury Selection for Hate Crime, a Struggle to Find Tolerance

Over the last several days, Justice Robert W. Doyle has heard the typical excuses from potential jurors. One woman mentioned her husband’s medical problems. Another woman complained about her back.

But other prospective jurors, seeking to be excused, have brought up larger issues in the judge’s Long Island courtroom.

A young woman said that her father, a mechanic, has a “huge opinion about illegal immigration,” and that his views on the subject have “become my opinions as well.” A man told Justice Doyle that his house was broken into by illegal immigrants while he was sleeping, a fact that he said would affect his ability to be fair and impartial.

And there were those who took a different view, like the bank worker who said that because her husband is of Mexican and Italian descent, she might have difficulty being fair. And the woman who explained that most of the clients in her job are illegal Latino immigrants.

“I don’t think that because of that they should be killed,” she told Justice Doyle.

The prospective jurors were being asked to sit in judgment in the case involving the killing of Marcelo Lucero, a 37-year-old Ecuadorean immigrant stabbed to death in November 2008 in Patchogue, more than an hour’s drive from Manhattan.

Mr. Lucero was attacked by seven teenagers who, the police said, had made a sport out of assaulting Hispanic men, calling it “beaner hopping.” Mr. Lucero’s death prompted widespread outrage and exposed racial tensions in Patchogue, where a number of Latinos came forward after the attack to describe muggings and assaults that had them living in fear.

Now, as Jeffrey Conroy, 19, becomes the first defendant to go on trial in the case, jury selection has proven difficult, in part because of the views on Latino immigration held by some prospective jurors in Suffolk County.

Of all the hot button issues that we're dealing with, especially in an election year, immigration is I think the most explosive.

62 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:41:04pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Or he could howl I ain't nothin' but a hound dog.

63 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:43:38pm

re: #61 freetoken

Finally, and perhaps most troubling of the news stories crawling across my browser:

In Jury Selection for Hate Crime, a Struggle to Find Tolerance

Of all the hot button issues that we're dealing with, especially in an election year, immigration is I think the most explosive.

why would immigration be an explosive issue?...or do you mean the illegal alien issue?

64 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:43:49pm

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

Does getting your ass beat by a tranny count?

Heh. His police report is hilarious.

65 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:44:00pm

re: #63 albusteve

Because of high unemployment.

66 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:44:37pm

re: #63 albusteve

why would immigration be an explosive issue?...or do you mean the illegal alien issue?

Once the right acknowledges the difference between the two with respect to Hispanic immigrants, you might have a point.

67 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:44:55pm

re: #62 Irenicum

Or he could howl I ain't nothin' but a hound dog.

Well, you've never caught a rabbit, so you ain't no friend of mine!

/

68 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:45:36pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Maybe I could get him to wear blue suede shoes?

69 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:48:54pm

re: #66 torrentprime

Once the right acknowledges the difference between the two with respect to Hispanic immigrants, you might have a point.

I just did...as for with respect to Hispanic immigration, I don't think too many people have a problem there

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:49:00pm

re: #64 Racer X

LOL wut?!?! Where the hell did you find that?

71 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:49:19pm

re: #68 Irenicum

Maybe I could get him to wear blue suede shoes?

As long as you don't step on them. ;)

72 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:50:59pm

'Nite, all.

73 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:51:44pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL wut?!?! Where the hell did you find that?

I did a google search. "Weirdest freaking video you have ever seen on Youtube".

/

74 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:52:19pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, then I'd really feel like a heel.

75 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:52:26pm

Experimental music is all cool & everything, but it's not rootsy enough in here:

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:52:35pm

re: #65 freetoken

Because of high unemployment.

Dey tuk ur jerb!

77 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:53:25pm

re: #73 Racer X

I did a google search. "Weirdest freaking video you have ever seen on Youtube".

/

the big guy took a major blast to the back of his head....never, ever turn your back on a pissed off tranny

78 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:53:49pm

re: #74 Irenicum

Yeah, then I'd really feel like a heel.

no sole

79 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:54:43pm

re: #73 Racer X

I did a google search. "Weirdest freaking video you have ever seen on Youtube".

/

You know what I like about that video? You can scroll to literally any point in it, and the weirdness is the same. Just jump into it wherever, and start feeling the weird.

80 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:55:04pm

re: #66 torrentprime

Once the right acknowledges the difference between the two with respect to Hispanic immigrants, you might have a point.

Most of us do, and resent the lazy smear that we don't.

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:55:04pm

re: #73 Racer X

I did a google search. "Weirdest freaking video you have ever seen on Youtube".

/

IOW, "I refuse to divulge my sources for wacky stuff, so that I may retain an advantage".

Good enough for me. :) I may have trouble topping that one in weirdness.

82 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:55:13pm

re: #37 MandyManners

?!?

83 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:55:49pm

re: #79 cliffster

You know what I like about that video? You can scroll to literally any point in it, and the weirdness is the same. Just jump into it wherever, and start feeling the weird.

I literally cringed several times, and hesitated posting it. But I could not deprive SB of the weirdness.

84 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:56:07pm

re: #75 The Sanity Inspector

Experimental music is all cool & everything, but it's not rootsy enough in here:


[Video]

Fito is the only one left, after all the twists and turns

85 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:57:33pm

re: #78 albusteve

Oh quit flapping your tongue!

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:57:36pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

?!?

The economy is tough, and unemployment is a bitch.

/sorry Mandy, couldn't help it.

87 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:58:08pm

re: #80 The Sanity Inspector

Most of us do, and resent the lazy smear that we don't.

just plain, naturally mean sprited

88 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:58:32pm

re: #85 Irenicum

Oh quit flapping your tongue!

you wanna get laced?

89 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:59:08pm

re: #88 albusteve

Oh I get it, now you're my arch enemy huh?

90 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 7:59:39pm

PRAIRIEFIRE -
If you're here, check this

At amazon.com, you can change the name that shows up when you post a comment, but it's done under "personalization", not "settings".

91 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:00:23pm

re: #66 torrentprime
Like This!
In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.

92 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:01:08pm

re: #89 Irenicum

Oh I get it, now you're my arch enemy huh?

ah....er...hmmm

93 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:01:32pm

If you don't live it up, you'll never have to live it down.re: #92 albusteve

C'mon, let's go toe to toe!

94 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:01:38pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Like This!
In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.

One more item for the "Reagan would get thrown out of a modern tea party" file.

95 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:02:02pm

re: #93 Irenicum

If you don't live it up, you'll never have to live it down.

C'mon, let's go toe to toe!

shoo!, get outa here!

96 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:02:11pm

re: #93 Irenicum

Oops. my bad. Forgot to erase a separate post.

97 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:02:38pm

re: #94 torrentprime

One more item for the "Reagan would get thrown out of a modern tea party" file.

nice dodge...why you such a pinhead?

98 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:02:40pm

re: #94 torrentprime

You imply he would show up to begin with, a point more likely to me by a critic than a fan I'm afraid.

99 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:03:32pm

re: #97 albusteve

nice dodge...why you such a pinhead?

Me no know; why you?

100 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:04:09pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Like This!
In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.

Good intentions, bad execution.

I still like Ronnie.

101 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:04:40pm

Wow. nice thread. Shoe puns and dominatrix's. At least they both involve leather.

102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:06:33pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Doesn't count, he was a RINO!

/BONSAI!

103 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:06:36pm

More acoustic roots music, Gillian Welch & Old Crow Medicine Show doing a classic song by The Band:

104 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:07:26pm

re: #90 reine.de.tout

?

105 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:08:52pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Like This!
In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.

As for what to do about securing the border, he kicked the can down the road, unfortunately. Guess he had his hands full winning the Cold War in those days. But I remember how we had this same conversation--what are we going to do with this huge population that just sneaked in?--25 years ago.

106 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:08:58pm

re: #90 reine.de.tout

GOT IT! Thanks.

107 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:09:09pm

re: #104 Spare O'Lake

?

Got it. Replied.
Thanks!

108 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:09:22pm

re: #103 Mad Al-Jaffee

Great song to cover.

109 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:12:14pm

re: #100 Racer X

I miss him.

110 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:13:30pm

Does anyone know the latter-day jazz-rock-funkateer Scott Henderson?

111 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:13:45pm

re: #103 Mad Al-Jaffee

More acoustic roots music, Gillian Welch & Old Crow Medicine Show doing a classic song by The Band:


[Video]

one of my three or four favorite Band songs....nice cover, and they each sing separate verses....the signature sound of the original, of course way outdone at the Last Waltz with the Staples....that version is simply miles above any other....imo

112 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:14:35pm

re: #83 Racer X

I literally cringed several times, and hesitated posting it. But I could not deprive SB of the weirdness.

Whoa. That is Monty Python on bad acid.

113 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #93 Irenicum

If you don't live it up, you'll never have to live it down.



It's better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money.
-- P. J. O'Rourke

Although entirely too many people did just that these past ten years... :/

114 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:15:31pm

re: #108 The Sanity Inspector

Great song to cover.

Yeah, and who better to cover it? I love Gillian Welch.

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:15:58pm

re: #112 Alouette

Whoa. That is Monty Python on bad acid.

There's good acid?

116 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:16:10pm

re: #108 The Sanity Inspector

Great song to cover.

the Band...the original roots music players

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:16:10pm

re: #101 Irenicum

Wow. nice thread. Shoe puns and dominatrix's. At least they both involve leather.

Or vinyl, depending on your preference.

118 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:16:39pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

There's good acid?

Try Santa Cruz.

119 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:16:49pm

Here I sit, "Hoarders" on the TV. *shudder*

120 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:17:27pm

re: #113 The Sanity Inspector

Hey, was it you that recommended that Hitchens article in LAT about Irving to me earlier today?
Great article, thanks.

121 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:18:32pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

There's good acid?

Purple Micro Dot, Magic Mickey.

Window Pane was bad.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:18:50pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

There's good acid?

Not anymore, I took it all.

123 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:19:11pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

There's good acid?

There's acid?

124 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:19:32pm

I posted two comments on the shrieker's site about Wilders. One is now deleted and the comments are closed.

Comments closed? What, no chance for the wingnutz to smack me down with logicks? WTF!

125 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:19:50pm

The AP story about homeschooling and creationists texts is making its way through the blogosphere... and one place to start is the blog of one of the authors of the text described in the AP article:

Updates on the AP Article

Jay Wile is complaining about the AP truncating one of his statements. He is a full-on creationist (see the links on his blog.)

He also has an email from a faithful user of his texts raving about how her son was taught in a creationist home and now after two years of college is a 4.0 student studying mechanical engineering. Ergo, creationist homeschooling leads to brilliant college students.

Besides the fallaciousness of that whole approach (hasty generalization), it misses the point. No one said that creationists could not do well in mechanical engineering. Dr. Coyne and others who are worried about this issue point out that it is the biological sciences for which the creationists are not only ill prepared but also at odds.

126 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:20:30pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

I posted two comments on the shrieker's site about Wilders. One is now deleted and the comments are closed.

Comments closed? What, no chance for the wingnutz to smack me down with logicks? WTF!

Intruder Alert!
Intruder Alert!

127 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:20:57pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

I posted two comments on the shrieker's site about Wilders. One is now deleted and the comments are closed.

Comments closed? What, no chance for the wingnutz to smack me down with logicks? WTF!

There are comments?

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:21:45pm

re: #121 Racer X

Window Pane was bad.

Not the stuff I had. Four hits of Four Way, last time I ever dosed. Some people like trippin' balls, I went for trippin' planets.
/and that stuff was probably weaker than the stuff in my parent's day.

129 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:22:13pm

re: #126 Racer X

Intruder Alert!
Intruder Alert!

Nevah getz olde.

130 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:22:21pm

re: #90 reine.de.tout

Thanks, Reine will do tomorrow.

131 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:24:25pm

re: #116 albusteve

the Band...the original roots music players

...and world's greatest backup band.

132 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:24:59pm

re: #127 Alouette

There are comments?

Forty, to be exact.

And she cuts 'em off.

Probably because she has a date with Gospodin Cheap-Ass Potato Vodka and can't be bothered to monitor 'em.

133 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:25:22pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Post the 2 comments here if you don't mind - I'd like to see what you wrote to shake her up so nicely.

134 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:25:38pm

re: #131 The Sanity Inspector

...and world's greatest backup band.

that too, but hey were far better without having to dick around with Him

135 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:27:21pm

re: #125 freetoken

The AP story about homeschooling and creationists texts is making its way through the blogosphere... and one place to start is the blog of one of the authors of the text described in the AP article:

Updates on the AP Article

Jay Wile is complaining about the AP truncating one of his statements. He is a full-on creationist (see the links on his blog.)

He also has an email from a faithful user of his texts raving about how her son was taught in a creationist home and now after two years of college is a 4.0 student studying mechanical engineering. Ergo, creationist homeschooling leads to brilliant college students.

Besides the fallaciousness of that whole approach (hasty generalization), it misses the point. No one said that creationists could not do well in mechanical engineering. Dr. Coyne and others who are worried about this issue point out that it is the biological sciences for which the creationists are not only ill prepared but also at odds.

Beg to differ in one instance. I knew a fellow in college who disbelieved in evolution, and he went on to become a cardiologist. He must have had to do a lot of compartmentalizing, if he indeed continued to hold those beliefs in his subsequent schooling and career.

136 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:27:42pm

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Post the 2 comments here if you don't mind - I'd like to see what you wrote to shake her up so nicely.

Me too. I love to watch Cato smackdowns; He has a true talent for cutting someone down in print.

137 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:29:08pm

re: #61 freetoken

And, we have not yet, begun to hear much on immigration.
I agree, it's going to be the hot button issue.

138 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:29:45pm

Ok, gym and then bedtime. Night all.

139 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:32:16pm

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Post the 2 comments here if you don't mind - I'd like to see what you wrote to shake her up so nicely.

First off, excerpted comment from a Harpy supporter: "[...] I read the comments to Pamela's unbelievably wonderful reporting and I get lifted up by everyone, just knowing that we're not alone, yes, we've got a lot of people, most people actually who feel as we do. [...]"

My first: "It's fun to watch the fascist right-wing fanatics tear each other's entrails."

Number two: "Right-wing fascists to Beck: 'Geert Wilders iz the last best hoop fur Westurn syphilisation, you toole-peter! I'm canculling my book order if'n youse do'nt subtract!'"

140 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:32:46pm

re: #111 albusteve

one of my three or four favorite Band songs...nice cover, and they each sing separate verses...the signature sound of the original, of course way outdone at the Last Waltz with the Staples...that version is simply miles above any other...imo

I saw The Band, Edgar Winter and White Heat, and Lee Michaels in an outdoors football stadium around 1972. Sat on the muddy ground in the rain, stoned on pot. Awesome.

141 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:33:13pm

re: #137 Floral Giraffe

I'm actually looking forward to another round of that debate.

142 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:36:15pm

re: #135 The Sanity Inspector

Agree that there is a great deal of mental gymnastics involved in people like the example you shared.

For the purpose of this discussion though I am inclined to think of a cardiologist as a heart engineer... not to defame the occupation, but to make a point. I've come across many doctors who like to think of themselves as "scientists", but unless they are doing research in medicine I think that appropriation of the term doesn't clarify.

I've met many creationists who are good in their fields, and even some who are brilliant in one sense or the other.

143 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:38:34pm

re: #140 Spare O'Lake

I saw The Band, Edgar Winter and White Heat, and Lee Michaels in an outdoors football stadium around 1972. Sat on the muddy ground in the rain, stoned on pot. Awesome.

the Band may have been a better indoor band, for all the acoustic instruments they played, but I saw them twice, once in Cincy and again in Chicago's Arie Crown....they were very good both times....even then I was more into music than drugs...I always made sure to maximize the adventure....I was always the Captain, but I got plenty buzzed bro

144 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:38:49pm

re: #139 Cato the Elder

First off, excerpted comment from a Harpy supporter: "[...] I read the comments to Pamela's unbelievably wonderful reporting and I get lifted up by everyone, just knowing that we're not alone, yes, we've got a lot of people, most people actually who feel as we do. [...]"

My first: "It's fun to watch the fascist right-wing fanatics tear each other's entrails."

Number two: "Right-wing fascists to Beck: 'Geert Wilders iz the last best hoop fur Westurn syphilisation, you toole-peter! I'm canculling my book order if'n youse do'nt subtract!'"

And here. folks we see LGF's counter-raiders in action. Counter raiders like Cato and Killgore post on troll sites. The resulting troll frenzy causes the trolls to eat their own and stay out of here.

145 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:40:19pm

Griel Marcus wrote a great essay about The Band in his book Mystery Train. Great book. I recommend it for anyone into American roots/blues/soul/funk music.

146 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:41:02pm

re: #134 albusteve

that too, but hey were far better without having to dick around with Him

I'm also thinking of all the acts they backed up on The Last Waltz. Such as...

147 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:41:42pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

And here. folks we see LGF's counter-raiders in action. Counter raiders like Cato and Killgore post on troll sites. The resulting troll frenzy causes the trolls to eat their own and stay out of here.

I beg to differ. Pam is not a troll. Pam is a sad case of sublimated ex-husband hatred and substance abuse.

148 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:41:48pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

And here. folks we see LGF's counter-raiders in action. Counter raiders like Cato and Killgore post on troll sites. The resulting troll frenzy causes the trolls to eat their own and stay out of here.

I counter raid on road trips....donuts, cigarettes, lighters, skull and bones do rags....they never know what hit 'em

149 laZardo  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:42:11pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Ya gotta tenderize the meat so it cooks well. :D Sometimes it helps when they tenderize themselves for it.

150 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #142 freetoken

I think this points out that many people have quirky beliefs. More than we suspect. Of course this is terribly subjective! But frankly the consequences are just not that big of a deal. I happen to know a man who believes in the hollow earth thing, and this conspiracy to hide the entrances at the poles from the population. He is a retired but accomplished eye specialist. Ironic as can be. Urban Legends. Creationism can be regarded as just that odd.

Yeah it sucks to tell children that Adam and Eve were it. But if that is so harmful, why do we as a society embrace Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy...? We all get over it.

151 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:43:12pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

And the boobs... don't forget the boobs...

152 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:44:05pm

re: #151 freetoken

And the boobs... don't forget the boobs...

I like boobs. But we discussed this earlier on the International Women's Day thread.

153 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:44:09pm

re: #143 albusteve

the Band may have been a better indoor band, for all the acoustic instruments they played, but I saw them twice, once in Cincy and again in Chicago's Arie Crown...they were very good both times...even then I was more into music than drugs...I always made sure to maximize the adventure...I was always the Captain, but I got plenty buzzed bro

I remember they wouldn't play an encore, and couldn't wait to get out of there. Actually, I don't blame them because there was water on the stage and they probably were terrified of getting electrocuted.

154 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:44:19pm

re: #146 The Sanity Inspector

I'm also thinking of all the acts they backed up on The Last Waltz. Such as...


[Video]

I particularly like the thing with Van Morrison, Caravan...it was all good, that was one for the books....Evangeline with Emmie Lou Harris

155 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:45:29pm

re: #146 The Sanity Inspector

I love that Butterfield clip. I first saw it in college and it made me a Butterfield fan. My band does a version of Mystery Train that's different from this one, but some of the way I play it is inspired by Butterfield.

156 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:46:01pm

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

Yeah it sucks to tell children that Adam and Eve were it. But if that is so harmful, why do we as a society embrace Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy...? We all get over it.

Well, I'll just rephrase what was said downstairs: If state political parties and Assemblies find Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy important enough to put into their platforms or laws, then you'd have a point.

Yet they don't. However, they do with creationism.

157 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:46:24pm

re: #120 iceweasel

Hey, was it you that recommended that Hitchens article in LAT about Irving to me earlier today?
Great article, thanks.

Me indeed, and you're welcome.

158 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:49:21pm

re: #157 The Sanity Inspector

Me indeed, and you're welcome.

It was terrific, thanks. Also the two books Hitchens mentions are ones I'd wanted to read anyway. (the ones about the irving trial, obviously). I had some computer issues and didn't get a chance to respond to you or read it right away.
Thanks again!

159 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:49:44pm

re: #153 Spare O'Lake

I remember they wouldn't play an encore, and couldn't wait to get out of there. Actually, I don't blame them because there was water on the stage and they probably were terrified of getting electrocuted.

it was a brilliant performance by everybody...a real milestone achievement imo

160 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:49:58pm

re: #154 albusteve

I particularly like the thing with Van Morrison, Caravan...it was all good, that was one for the books...Evangeline with Emmie Lou Harris


[Video]

Oh yeah, we could post the whole movie, no question. It's just a shame that Van Morrison is so tight with his material. The Last Waltz version of "Caravan" never lasts very long whenever someone uploads it to YouTube.

161 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:51:35pm

re: #155 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love that Butterfield clip. I first saw it in college and it made me a Butterfield fan. My band does a version of Mystery Train that's different from this one, but some of the way I play it is inspired by Butterfield.

check out this cover of Mystery Train

162 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:52:02pm

re: #148 albusteve

I counter raid on road trips...donuts, cigarettes, lighters, skull and bones do rags...they never know what hit 'em

Dude, did I tell you how I got three-card-monte'd by a sixty-eight-year-old female gas station attendant on my road trip?

So, I pull into this filling station in Bumwad, Montana. Chug-a-lug goes the money into the tank. Meanwhile, I take Haku for a walk and then stroll into the convenience shop for coffee and butts. Comes to $7.43. I pull out my roll, peel off a twenty (roll was nothing but twenties), and pass it over.

I look down to put my stuff in my pockets, and she hands me $2.57.

I say, "Excuse me, but I gave you a twenty."

She says, "You gave me a ten."

I say, "Ma'am, that roll was nothing but twenties."

She points to a ten-dollar note on top the register. "See? I never put the bill in until I've made change. You gave me a ten."

What she did was, she waited till my attention was elsewhere, pocketed the Jackson, and put a tenner in its place.

What could I do? Argue with grandma? Call the police?

I made a deep Catonian bow in honor of her jazzy jive, and walked out, thinking, "If you can do that, you deserve it."

163 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:54:06pm

Cato's love doll rolling in the fame:

Palin takes celebrity to next level

164 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:54:07pm

re: #153 Spare O'Lake

I remember they wouldn't play an encore, and couldn't wait to get out of there. Actually, I don't blame them because there was water on the stage and they probably were terrified of getting electrocuted.

Here in Austin, the radio station 93.7 KLBJ had a morning show years ago "Dudley and Bob". Dudley and Bob may still be going strong, I don't know, I haven't tuned in for awhile. But April 1st a lot of years back, they did a spoof on the listeners where they said that Metallica was touring in Europe and had been doing a soundcheck when the stage was wet and they were all electrocuted and died. The calls came in for 30 minutes, "Dude, that's FUCKED up!". Then they came clean. And they got calls for literally months afterward bitching about it. How could you do that.. it's not funny! This is Metallica! I thought it was hilarious. Electrocuted in soundcheck. Heh

165 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:54:51pm

re: #149 laZardo

Ya gotta tenderize the meat so it cooks well. :D Sometimes it helps when they tenderize themselves for it.

Indeed. The trolls throw themselves against the walls of our logic, nicely tenderizing themselves for grilling.

166 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:55:17pm

re: #162 Cato the Elder

Dude, did I tell you how I got three-card-monte'd by a sixty-eight-year-old female gas station attendant on my road trip?

So, I pull into this filling station in Bumwad, Montana. Chug-a-lug goes the money into the tank. Meanwhile, I take Haku for a walk and then stroll into the convenience shop for coffee and butts. Comes to $7.43. I pull out my roll, peel off a twenty (roll was nothing but twenties), and pass it over.

I look down to put my stuff in my pockets, and she hands me $2.57.

I say, "Excuse me, but I gave you a twenty."

She says, "You gave me a ten."

I say, "Ma'am, that roll was nothing but twenties."

She points to a ten-dollar note on top the register. "See? I never put the bill in until I've made change. You gave me a ten."

What she did was, she waited till my attention was elsewhere, pocketed the Jackson, and put a tenner in its place.

What could I do? Argue with grandma? Call the police?

I made a deep Catonian bow in honor of her jazzy jive, and walked out, thinking, "If you can do that, you deserve it."

you pull down your Black Hawk and explain it one last time...jus kidding...that old gig takes guts really...you got nicked

167 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:56:05pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Now this sounds like great sport.

168 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:56:50pm

re: #162 Cato the Elder

I like that story. You got played, bitch. You did the right thing, though.

169 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:57:00pm

I jus want my baby back....heh

170 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:57:10pm

re: #162 Cato the Elder

Cato gets taken.
Film at 11.
Won't get repeated, often. See it while you can!

171 freetoken  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:57:38pm

Local story: another run-away Toyota east of San Diego:

Officer Saves Prius Driver With Stuck Accelerator

Glad I wasn't on I-8 today.

172 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:57:40pm

re: #161 albusteve

Pretty cool. The harp in the beginning is sort of the way I play it, but I do it with more single note runs with chugging chords. I would write more about this, but I don't want to sound like the harmonica geek I am. And I need to go to bed.

That video was recorded at the 8X10 in Baltimore. I've played there!

173 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:59:16pm

re: #172 Mad Al-Jaffee

Pretty cool. The harp in the beginning is sort of the way I play it, but I do it with more single note runs with chugging chords. I would write more about this, but I don't want to sound like the harmonica geek I am. And I need to go to bed.

That video was recorded at the 8X10 in Baltimore. I've played there!

and he's playing with a glass slide on his finger...something to sleep on

174 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 8:59:47pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

I posted two comments on the shrieker's site about Wilders. One is now deleted and the comments are closed.

Comments closed? What, no chance for the wingnutz to smack me down with logicks? WTF!

I must self-correct: comments are closed to me. Until I come up with a new ID.

175 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:02:16pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

I must self-correct: comments are closed to me. Until I come up with a new ID.

They'll say that you-know-who dispatched you over there to make mischief, you know...

176 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:03:30pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

I must self-correct: comments are closed to me. Until I come up with a new ID.

how about 'LuckyAlvarado'?....ahaha!
or 'CyaJackson'?

177 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:04:03pm

re: #171 freetoken

Toyota does have a ghost in the machine.

178 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:04:38pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

I'm thinking of a hippy-dippy song, something along the lines of "be what you want to be, when you want to be". I forget the real words, but, GO FOR IT CATO!

179 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:05:04pm

re: #175 The Sanity Inspector

They'll say that you-know-who dispatched you over there to make mischief, you know...

Of course they will. I'm the Sycophant-in-Chief here now, according to the unimpeachable witnesses at Douche.

Didst thou not hear the churchbells tolling at my ceremonial installation?

180 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:06:17pm

Robert Lewis Dabney Stacy McCain is freaking out about Glenn Beck calling Geert Wilders "far right" tonight.

It's the Glenn Beck show that was heard around the bigotsphere.

181 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:06:45pm

This get posted yet? (apologies if so, not caught up on all the comments even in this thread)

Florida Lawmaker Attempts To Deny Tax Credit To Movies Filmed With Gay Characters

Lawmakers in Florida are hoping to pass a $75 million incentive package to attract movie studios to film in Florida, but a little noticed provision could deny tax credits to movies that feature gay or other “nontraditional family values.” Florida’s Entertainment Industry Economic Development Act would revise the current incentive program — which already offers a tax credit worth 2% of a movie’s production costs if it is “family friendly” — to specifically exclude movies that depict “nontraditional family values” from receiving the additional credit. Here is the relevant provision:

A certified production determined by the Commissioner of Film and Entertainment, with the advice of the Florida Film and Entertainment Advisory Council, to be family-friendly…Family-friendly productions are those that have cross-generational appeal; would be considered suitable for viewing by children age 5 or older…and do not exhibit or imply any act of smoking, sex, nudity, nontraditional family values, gratuitous violence, or vulgar or profane language. Under the current incentive program, review of the final release version is not required and nontraditional family values, gratuitous violence, and implied acts do not exclude a film from receiving this additional credit.


[...]
Florida has been recognized by eQualityGiving.com for being one of the least gay-friendly states in America. Florida has no statewide law prohibiting discrimination; its constitution prohibits gay marriage; and, it is the only state in the union that forbids gays from adopting children.

182 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:07:28pm

re: #181 iceweasel

This get posted yet? (apologies if so, not caught up on all the comments even in this thread)

Florida Lawmaker Attempts To Deny Tax Credit To Movies Filmed With Gay Characters


[...]
Florida has been recognized by eQualityGiving.com for being one of the least gay-friendly states in America. Florida has no statewide law prohibiting discrimination; its constitution prohibits gay marriage; and, it is the only state in the union that forbids gays from adopting children.

Wait, wait. Let me guess. I won't read the article. He's a Democrat right?

//

183 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:09:40pm

re: #180 Charles

Robert Stacy Lewis Dabney McCain is freaking out about Glenn Beck calling Geert Wilders "far right" tonight.

It's the Glenn Beck show that was heard around the bigotsphere.

And people on Pam's site are shocked - shocked! - that you called her a shrieking harpy.

Google it, toolz. "Shrieking harpy" is Geller, and Geller in German (truth, my fiends!) means "shrieker"!

184 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:09:41pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Wait, wait. Let me guess. I won't read the article. He's a Democrat right?

//

Haha.
Of course, he's a rep in the FL House, which is also the House that recently passed a bill that would criminalise abortion even in cases of rape and incest, iirc. (it won't become law because it won't make it through the senate there).

185 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:11:14pm

Troll alert on the Palin floor.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:11:32pm

re: #181 iceweasel

And here I thought certain members of my family had perfected the art of cutting of one's nose to spite one's face. They ain't got nuthin' on Florida's legislators.

187 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:12:41pm

re: #181 iceweasel

This get posted yet? (apologies if so, not caught up on all the comments even in this thread)

Florida Lawmaker Attempts To Deny Tax Credit To Movies Filmed With Gay Characters


[...]
Florida has been recognized by eQualityGiving.com for being one of the least gay-friendly states in America. Florida has no statewide law prohibiting discrimination; its constitution prohibits gay marriage; and, it is the only state in the union that forbids gays from adopting children.

Years ago, I had to attend a mandatory "diversity sensitivity seminar" for Ford employees. We had to sit through several videos showing "what to do" "what not to do."

What I remember is that non-kosher snacks were served. Orthodox Jews (there were a few of us at Ford) were not mentioned in the videos, although there were skits about vegetarians and Muslims who don't eat pork. In the skit showing a gay man harrassed by a homophobe, the actress playing the homophobe was African-American.

This was about 10 years ago.

188 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:13:14pm

re: #180 Charles

Robert Lewis Dabney Stacy McCain is freaking out about Glenn Beck calling Geert Wilders "far right" tonight.

It's the Glenn Beck show that was heard around the bigotsphere.

Watching the wingnuts eat each other alive while you sit back and watch:

That's Entertainment!

189 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:13:34pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Troll alert on the Palin floor.

It's a swarm down there.

190 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:13:53pm

taxing sex...
preferences, behavior, accessories, advertisement etc

191 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:14:00pm

re: #181 iceweasel

I say go for peeps! Give it whirl.

Okay it's done. Bring on the movies!

(crickets)

Hey where are all the movies we wanna make some big cash.

(crickets)

I don't get it we're offering money and everything.

(crickets)

Hmm...maybe we need to spend some money on a study or something.

192 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:14:09pm

I leave you for tonight with three views of Wichita Lineman:

193 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:14:34pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Troll alert on the Palin floor.

I'll get the charcoal ready. Luckily I went to the grocery store today.

194 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:14:34pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

And people on Pam's site are shocked - shocked! - that you called her a shrieking harpy.

Google it, toolz. "Shrieking harpy" is Geller, and Geller in German (truth, my fiends!) means "shrieker"!

Yeah but Geller would imply that she is male, Gellerin would be a female shrieker.

195 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:14:42pm

re: #189 iceweasel

It's a swarm down there.

Yeah, two in a row. Strange. Doing the dead thread watusi.

196 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:14:46pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Watching the wingnuts eat each other alive while you sit back and watch:

That's Entertainment!

the donks are doing the same thing....cannibalism is bipartisan

197 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:15:47pm

re: #171 freetoken

Local story: another run-away Toyota east of San Diego:

Officer Saves Prius Driver With Stuck Accelerator

Glad I wasn't on I-8 today.

Wow!

The next sound you hear will be Prius owners signing loan docs to purchase Hondas.

198 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:16:20pm

re: #195 Gus 802

Yeah, two in a row. Strange. Doing the dead thread watusi.

I suspect the Beck/Geert thread and the Palin thread will suffer troll seepage tonight and sporadically on the late nights for a couple of days.

199 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:16:24pm

re: #187 Alouette

Years ago, I had to attend a mandatory "diversity sensitivity seminar" for Ford employees. We had to sit through several videos showing "what to do" "what not to do."

What I remember is that non-kosher snacks were served. Orthodox Jews (there were a few of us at Ford) were not mentioned in the videos, although there were skits about vegetarians and Muslims who don't eat pork. In the skit showing a gay man harrassed by a homophobe, the actress playing the homophobe was African-American.

This was about 10 years ago.

If I ever am required to attended so-called "sensitivity training", I hope I'm in good enough financial shape to quit then and there. I don't think I could stand the insult, taking time away from work to sit in a seminar room, while a total stranger puts on a dog & pony show telling me my mama didn't raise me right.

201 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:17:29pm

re: #198 iceweasel

I suspect the Beck/Geert thread and the Palin thread will suffer troll seepage tonight and sporadically on the late nights for a couple of days.

Yeah, Glenn Beck and Geert Wilders are like the Olestra of politics.

202 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:18:43pm

re: #181 iceweasel


Florida has been recognized by eQualityGiving.com for being one of the least gay-friendly states in America. Florida has no statewide law prohibiting discrimination; its constitution prohibits gay marriage; and, it is the only state in the union that forbids gays from adopting children.

Note to Florida - want to attract a lot of straight conservative family guys into your state? Two words: gay bars. Lots and lots of them.

203 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:20:52pm

I like watching liberal heads explode any time Dana Perino is talking.

204 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:20:54pm

re: #202 Jimmah

Note to Florida - want to attract a lot of straight conservative family guys into your state? Two words: gay bars. Lots and lots of them.

Key West! South Beach!

Yeah, Florida is wholesome all right. They need legislation to keep it that way. Uh huh.

205 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:21:11pm

re: #202 Jimmah

Note to Florida - want to attract a lot of straight conservative family guys into your state? Two words: gay bars. Lots and lots of them.

Offer tax credits to those bars, too!
Maybe open up some more YMCAs...

(hate that they disable embedding...)

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:21:31pm

re: #195 Gus 802

Yeah, two in a row. Strange. Doing the dead thread watusi.

Now that iceweasel is there, they'll probably shift to the Butthurt Fandango for the next dance. Some those trolls don't know ice, but they'll learn. >:D

207 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:21:51pm

re: #202 Jimmah

Note to Florida - want to attract a lot of straight conservative family guys into your state? Two words: gay bars. Lots and lots of them.

Aren't there already quite a few of them in the South Beach area?

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:22:50pm

re: #199 The Sanity Inspector

If I ever am required to attended so-called "sensitivity training", I hope I'm in good enough financial shape to quit then and there. I don't think I could stand the insult, taking time away from work to sit in a seminar room, while a total stranger puts on a dog & pony show telling me my mama didn't raise me right.

I enjoy sensitivity training. I regard sensitivity as a form of combat, and I can outdo almost anyone at it. If I have African-American backup, that's even better.

209 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:23:32pm

re: #207 ArchangelMichael

Aren't there already quite a few of them in the South Beach area?

yes, of course...must have been some sarcasm there

210 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:23:39pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Now that iceweasel is there, they'll probably shift to the Butthurt Fandango for the next dance. Some those trolls don't know ice, but they'll learn. >:D

Get the martyr cookies in the oven and stoke the fire for the BBQ!

/

211 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:24:00pm
Poor George Soros Wants To Destroy European Currency Again

George Soros, a billionaire and philanthropist, was accused of masterminding the financial plot, the goal of which is to send the European currency, the euro, down.

The scandal connected with the plot against the euro started gathering pace last week after Soros published an article in The Financial Times. The billionaire wrote that the euro may not survive the current economic crisis. He said that he was not going to take part in the affairs on the currency market and would concentrate on investments in gold instead.

You know who else is buying gold?

Yep, Glenn Beck.

212 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:24:43pm

re: #203 cliffster

I like watching liberal heads explode

/fixed

213 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:24:49pm

re: #210 Gus 802

Get the martyr cookies in the oven and stoke the fire for the BBQ!

/

Ooh, now that you and DF are both here-- I was saving this for you-- conservapedia wackiness-- hang on!

214 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:26:19pm

re: #213 iceweasel

Ooh, now that you and DF are both here-- I was saving this for you-- conservapedia wackiness-- hang on!

OH this is sure to be comedy gold.

215 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:26:53pm

re: #205 iceweasel

Offer tax credits to those bars, too!
Maybe open up some more YMCAs...


[Video](hate that they disable embedding...)

And boost the Navy too!

216 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:26:59pm

re: #211 Racer X

You know who else is buying gold?

Yep, Glenn Beck.

One thing about gold - there isn't a lot of it. I like that though - "the plot against the euro". Let's take the euro down.. boo!

217 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:27:23pm

re: #205 iceweasel

Offer tax credits to those bars, too!
Maybe open up some more YMCAs...


[Video](hate that they disable embedding...)

Classic Disco! Still fun after all these years.

218 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:27:53pm

re: #207 ArchangelMichael

Aren't there already quite a few of them in the South Beach area?

Not enough, apparently.

219 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:27:59pm

re: #211 Racer X

You know who else is buying gold?

Yep, Glenn Beck.

why not buy gold?...it's always been a premium investment...so Beck buys gold?...what does that mean exactly?....my gold had gone up close to five times what I paid for it in '75

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:29:11pm

re: #211 Racer X

You know who else is buying gold?

Yep, Glenn Beck.

Heh, he ain't buying it, he's pimping it.

221 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:29:45pm

re: #219 albusteve

why not buy gold?...it's always been a premium investment...so Beck buys gold?...what does that mean exactly?...my gold had gone up close to five times what I paid for it in '75

Mine too.

Someone was riffing on all the "Buy Gold" hawks on TV recently. I forget who.

222 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:30:03pm

re: #211 Racer X

You know who else is buying gold?

Yep, Glenn Beck.

GEORGE SOROS IS DRIVING UP THE PRICE OF GOLD!!1 HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN'T STOP HIS SEEKRIT SOCIALIST PLOT!!11 BUY MY BOOK!1

/Glenn Beck

223 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:31:32pm

If someone said they were going to stack gold bars in my garage until it was full, I would let them do it.

224 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:32:45pm

re: #214 ArchangelMichael

OH this is sure to be comedy gold.

Oh, good. You're here. I've been saving this article for you:

Submarines: Cylon Torpedoes Rule The Deep

I even found your footage of the new drones in action:

225 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:33:01pm

Essay on conservapedia:

Marry a Conservative!

There is much good advice that can be given to teenagers and people in their 20s and 30s. But the best advice of all is this: marry a conservative.


This is followed by some bullet points which are hilarious in themselves, BUT:

The best part of this 'essay', is the case studies. It's like a series of Jack Chick tracts!

I can't decide if two or four is my favourite. What about you folks?

Case study Two:

Suzy was attractive, and promiscuous. Joe, a conservative, liked Suzy and was impressed by her ability to excel at a top college and even succeed at a good graduate school. Joe decided it did not matter if Suzy did not share his conservative values, and Joe married Suzy.

For the next 25 years Joe tried with Suzy to have children, without success. What caused the infertility can never be known with certainty, but it is known that about half of promiscuous people carry sexually transmitted diseases, and that these diseases can cause infertility

226 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:33:27pm

re: #221 Racer X

Mine too.

Someone was riffing on all the "Buy Gold" hawks on TV recently. I forget who.

probably someone who doesn't own any...I used to collect emeralds, rubys and sapphires too....antique guns...I've made money on all of that stuff....what's the rub?....does Beck really influence posters here to that extent?

227 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:34:28pm

re: #226 albusteve

probably someone who doesn't own any...I used to collect emeralds, rubys and sapphires too...antique guns...I've made money on all of that stuff...what's the rub?...does Beck really influence posters here to that extent?

I dunno. But I'm gonna buy more gold.

228 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:35:11pm

re: #227 Racer X

I dunno. But I'm gonna buy more gold.

droolers...they are caught up with pop opinion

229 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:35:26pm

re: #192 The Sanity Inspector

I leave you for tonight with three views of Wichita Lineman.

The lyrics to that song make no sense, no matter how many different versions you listen to.

230 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:36:45pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Suzy was attractive, and promiscuous. Joe, a conservative, liked Suzy and was impressed by her ability to excel at a top college and even succeed at a good graduate school. Joe decided it did not matter if Suzy did not share his conservative values, and Joe married Suzy.

For the next 25 years Joe tried with Suzy to have children, without success. What caused the infertility can never be known with certainty, but it is known that about half of promiscuous people carry sexually transmitted diseases, and that these diseases can cause infertility


Apparently Suzy the cardboard cutout didn't have any preferences that Conservapedia noticed.

231 swamprat  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:37:03pm

re: #210 Gus 802

Get the martyr cookies in the oven and stoke the fire for the BBQ!

/

My feet were cold.

232 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:37:20pm

re: #229 Cato the Elder

The lyrics to that song make no sense, no matter how many different versions you listen to.

didn't Dylan write it?
(I jest)

233 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:37:23pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Essay on conservapedia:

Marry a Conservative!

Three's a good one:

Beth was a conservative woman who liked Bob, a liberal man. Beth put her reservations aside and married Bob, and then gave Bob the best 30 years of her life. Beth had children with Bob and raised them to college.

Then, around age 50, Bob decided he'd like to date younger women. He divorced Beth against her wishes, and now she lives alone.

Bob's actions were consistent with the Hollywood values he preferred. Beth's actions in staying with Bob and raising the children during her younger years were consistent with her conservative values. But now Bob is happy, while Beth is not.

Chockfull of butthurt stereotypes and victimhood. It's like they could write ad copy with this, "Beware young women! If you marry a liberal man this could happen to you!" Like the fools that they are they're assuming that all liberal men have "Hollywood values." Yeah, you know, Hollywood values like Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Roy Ashburn, Mark Sanford...

234 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:38:26pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Essay on conservapedia:

Marry a Conservative!

You're right: Like a Chic Tract without the mediocre graphics.

235 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:39:03pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, he ain't buying it, he's pimping it.

Yep. At the Gold Store.

236 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:39:23pm

re: #225 iceweasel

I love it! Liberalism leads to filthy behaviour which leads to barrenness. Science!

237 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:39:28pm

re: #230 jaunte

Apparently Suzy the cardboard cutout didn't have any preferences that Conservapedia noticed.

Exactly! Promiscuity apparently = liberal by default. Though the bullet points in the beginning make it clear that they do regard those terms as interchangeable over at Andy's WackHouse.

238 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:39:38pm

re: #230 jaunte

Apparently Suzy the cardboard cutout didn't have any preferences that Conservapedia noticed.


It also appears that they may have had a crappy health insurance policy that doesn't cover the sort of tests that can actually figure those problems out.

239 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:40:07pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Number 1 is good too.

Ralph was a conservative who attended a graduate school having a predominantly liberal culture. There he fell in love with a woman who was quite liberal and held a very different set of values. He married her, but within six months he realized he had made a mistake, and within a year filed for divorce.

However, Ralph belonged to a church that does not accept divorce, and it took him another four grueling years to obtain an annulment.

What became the worst experience of his life could have been avoided had he realized the benefits of marrying a conservative attending a church that doesn't stand in your way when you need to divorce the liberal you 'accidentally' married.

240 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:40:23pm

re: #233 Gus 802

Chockfull of butthurt stereotypes and victimhood. It's like they could write ad copy with this, "Beware young women! If you marry a liberal man this could happen to you!" Like the fools that they are they're assuming that all liberal men have "Hollywood values." Yeah, you know, Hollywood values like Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Roy Ashburn, Mark Sanford...

Shhh. Don't confuse Mr. Schafley. If you provide him with information that contradicts his hard-wired prejudices, his head might explode.

/Must I?

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:41:00pm

re: #225 iceweasel

I resent their bogus definition of "conservative", reject their attempt to make a political philosophy synonymous with their narrowly defined brand of "religion", and pity those who are taken in by such obvious bull shit.

242 swamprat  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:41:10pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

You're right: Like a Chic Tract without the mediocre graphics.


Someone should collect those.

243 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:41:30pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Stay away from those loose, liberal women. They'll keep you down and won't even birth you any strapping sons. I'll be #2 even had a tatoo.

244 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:41:46pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

Shhh. Don't confuse Mr. Schafley. If you provide him with information that contradicts his hard-wired prejudices, his head might explode.

/Must I?

Wouldn't you know I checked the history and that page has been edited by none other than Andrew Schlafly.

245 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:42:21pm

re: #227 Racer X

I dunno. But I'm gonna buy more gold.

Cool. Sell it back to me when the economy picks up and the dollar goes strong again.

246 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:42:47pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Wouldn't you know I checked the history and that page has been edited by none other than Andrew Schlafly.

That's one reason I posted it-- it's definitely an 'official' conservapedia page.

247 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:43:13pm

re: #237 iceweasel

re: #238 Jadespring

I mean the way that piece is written, Joe was the active ingredient. Suzy might as well have been a mannikin.

248 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:43:24pm

re: #246 iceweasel

That's one reason I posted it-- it's definitely an 'official' conservapedia page.

Yeah. It almost reads like either a pyramid scheme or something from Amway.

249 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:43:25pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

I resent their bogus definition of "conservative", reject their attempt to make a political philosophy synonymous with their narrowly defined brand of "religion", and pity those who are taken in by such obvious bull shit.

haha!...we have some zealots here do we not?...bullshit is a drastic understatement, but it seems to be entertaining

250 albusteve  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:44:47pm

re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool. Sell it back to me when the economy picks up and the dollar goes strong again.

I'm in...how much are you willing to pay?

251 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:45:01pm
252 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:46:44pm

re: #247 jaunte

re: #238 Jadespring

I mean the way that piece is written, Joe was the active ingredient. Suzy might as well have been a mannikin.

No kidding.

I've read it over twice and I still find it difficult to believe that this isn't a joke and a put on. I know it's meant to be serious but still it reads more like wicked satire then anything else.

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:47:40pm

re: #235 Racer X

You're on fire tonight, bro. That dovetails nicely into an observation I was about to make on the blinkered ConservaReligapedia article Iceweasle linked...

Of all the girlfriends that I have ever had, many of them liberal or centrist, the only one that was into the "butt stuff" was a religious conservative. She was a freak!

254 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:48:30pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Wouldn't you know I checked the history and that page has been edited by none other than Andrew Schlafly.

Can I call 'em or what? It seemed like him, given the earnest but unthinking adherence to dogma and isolationism from all things 'liberal'.

255 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:48:45pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

I resent their bogus definition of "conservative", reject their attempt to make a political philosophy synonymous with their narrowly defined brand of "religion", and pity those who are taken in by such obvious bull shit.

If it makes you feel any better, SB, I did some digging and conservapedia is considered a hotbed of crazy by everyone but Andy and a random handful of obsessives who hang out on his site. Some of whom are seekritly there to troll him.

It bears mentioning tho that it was started by homeschoolers and they were the primary contributors initially, and they still appear (a handful, again) to be using it.

256 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:49:09pm

re: #252 Jadespring

No kidding.

I've read it over twice and I still find it difficult to believe that this isn't a joke and a put on. I know it's meant to be serious but still it reads more like wicked satire then anything else.

That entire site is like that. If I didn't know better I'd think it was something like the Landover Baptist Church website, rather than something meant to be serious.

257 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:50:39pm

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I got another good one I'll save for later.

I love the internets weirdness!

258 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:51:00pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

Can I call 'em or what? It seemed like him, given the earnest but unthinking adherence to dogma and isolationism from all things 'liberal'.

Yeah, it's such a gross generalization. People have been hooking up regardless of ideology over the years. Democrats marrying Republicans, liberals and conservative. And both, either/or, have been successful or unsuccessful. Nether spectrum can predict fidelity.

259 Racer X  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:51:26pm
260 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:52:10pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

I resent their bogus definition of "conservative", reject their attempt to make a political philosophy synonymous with their narrowly defined brand of "religion", and pity those who are taken in by such obvious bull shit.

Here here!

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:53:38pm

re: #250 albusteve

I'm in...how much are you willing to pay?

$20 less than market price. When the economy was doing good, and the dollar was strong, it was about $630 an ounce. Now that the economy is in the crapper, it's about $1120 an ounce. People buying now out of panic are gonna be angry when the economy picks back up and the price drops again.

262 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:55:11pm

re: #256 ArchangelMichael

That entire site is like that. If I didn't know better I'd think it was something like the Landover Baptist Church website, rather than something meant to be serious.

Conservapedia is infested with trolls. Over-run. I knew about the initial parodic efforts made by libs infesting the site, but I had no idea just how crazy it is there until recently. A few have made it all the way up to admin privileges or whatever they call it-- blocking users, banning IPs, reversing edits.
One of their admins, who may or may not be a troll, blocked all of Canada and the US Blackberry network from posting there for a while. An 'accident' when blocking someone's IP. Stupid, or deliberate? Hard to say.

Wikipedians (and this includes conservapedia) are a very, very different breed of internet user. Even their trolls are obsessive on a scale that doesn't come close to anything else.

263 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:58:10pm

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

In my case the freakiest was a wiccan, but the second freakiest, and it was a close second, was an LDS convert. She's a Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin loving Tea-Partier now too.

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:59:57pm

re: #255 iceweasel

I know, I had their number almost a year ago. One of the benefits of being a regular reader of Cracked.

265 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:04:38pm

re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth

I know, I had their number almost a year ago. One of the benefits of being a regular reader of Cracked.

Oh cool, hadn't seen that, thanks.

Here's my other fave case study from that 'essay':

Elizabeth was a smart liberal who knew she would be better off marrying a conservative than a liberal like herself. She found one in Stan, a conservative who was a very hard worker and who did not have the luxury of time to develop the social skills that Elizabeth had.

Stan's circle of friends and acquaintances were limited, and he thought all women were liberal. He married Elizabeth thinking that all women were liberal like her.

For the next thirty years Elizabeth censored Stan's conservative comments, interfered with his conservative activities, and caused problems for Stan at every political turn. But Stan thought all women were that way, and rarely complained.

Tragically, Elizabeth became sick and died. Stan then remarried, this time to a conservative woman whom he did not even realize existed. For the rest of his life Stan marveled at how different -- and better -- his life was.

In honour of International Wimmens Day, for all haters everywhere, I give them this:
Image: womentrollcat.jpg

266 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:06:24pm

Clearly this is a political decision and not one based on ethics, morals or what they would call faith. Archbishop Charles Chaput is a signatory to the so-con and far-right inspired Manhattan Declaration. His involvement is described in an oddly titled piece called, Archbishop Chaput: Manhattan Declaration will ‘galvanize’ Christians in difficult times:

“I was glad to be invited to sign the declaration, and glad to sign because I believe in its content,” Archbishop Chaput told CNA. He described it as a “straightforward” statement defending the sanctity of life, religious liberty and the definition of marriage as a union of husband and wife.

...

The Declaration’s signers want people to realize “how difficult” the present moment in U.S. history is, he added.

“Our rights and liberties are never really guaranteed by words on a piece of paper. We guarantee them ourselves, under the sovereignty of God, by struggling for what we believe.”

I detect a little bit of Teabaggery in his words.

Oh, and here's his Facebook page.

267 jaunte  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:06:52pm

re: #265 iceweasel

Elizabeth didn't realize she had become a Bride of Stan.

268 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:07:17pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Oops, wrong thread.

269 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:07:42pm

re: #265 iceweasel

In honour of International Wimmens Day, for all haters everywhere, I give them this:
[Link: img291.imageshack.us...]

Thanks I needed that. I've been having a couple of those 'annoyed with the female gender' weeks. Laughing is good.

270 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:11:22pm

re: #269 ArchangelMichael

Thanks I needed that. I've been having a couple of those 'annoyed with the female gender' weeks. Laughing is good.

Whoa, sorry to hear that. What's up? (you don't have to say, apologies if that's an intrusive question)
Hope you're doing well, in any case. Have kept you in my thoughts since you mentioning that other issue.

271 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:14:42pm

re: #270 iceweasel

Whoa, sorry to hear that. What's up? (you don't have to say, apologies if that's an intrusive question)
Hope you're doing well, in any case. Have kept you in my thoughts since you mentioning that other issue.

Ex making it difficult to maintain a friendship by ignoring/hiding from me. Latest interest turned out to be a bad idea and I let myself get too attached and hurt when I should have known what I was getting into. Among other things.

Not sure which issue is the other one, unless you mean where I pissed you off and didn't exactly mean to, and I am sorry again.

272 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:17:36pm

re: #271 ArchangelMichael

Ex making it difficult to maintain a friendship by ignoring/hiding from me. Latest interest turned out to be a bad idea and I let myself get too attached and hurt when I should have known what I was getting into. Among other things.

Not sure which issue is the other one, unless you mean where I pissed you off and didn't exactly mean to, and I am sorry again.

Oh no no no no! When I said 'other issue' I was referring to the original one, the ex and breakup, just didn't want to put it out there for others who hadn't read that.
When you said you had current issues, I assumed it involved some other women and/or new developments.

And you never pissed me off at all and no apologies necessary, seriously.
Sorry about the latest interest. That sucks!

273 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:19:04pm

AM-- will be away for like ten minutes but will be right back, hope you're still here. love, iDub

274 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:20:56pm

re: #273 iceweasel

AM-- will be away for like ten minutes but will be right back, hope you're still here. love, iDub

I'm here and will be for awhile I'm sure.

275 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:32:19pm

re: #274 ArchangelMichael

I'm here and will be for awhile I'm sure.

Hey, back. What's going on?

In re: ex, not sure what the issue is, obviously, but often it's not possible to stay friends right away, sometimes you really do need an extensive no-contact break to be friends. JMO, of course.

276 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:39:02pm

re: #275 iceweasel

Hey, back. What's going on?

In re: ex, not sure what the issue is, obviously, but often it's not possible to stay friends right away, sometimes you really do need an extensive no-contact break to be friends. JMO, of course.

I hope so. The break up was mutually decided, and the best thing based on our needs which were slowly but irrevocably diverging. I feel like I lost my best friend though. I'm trying really hard to not be that depressed guy constantly whining about his women problems but it's easier said than done.

277 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 4:42:05am

re: #276 ArchangelMichael

I hope so. The break up was mutually decided, and the best thing based on our needs which were slowly but irrevocably diverging. I feel like I lost my best friend though. I'm trying really hard to not be that depressed guy constantly whining about his women problems but it's easier said than done.

i totally missed your reply til just now.

It sucks. You did lose your best friend. this is true. In addition to all the rest.
But if you want to stay friends in the future you probably do need a period of no contact.
Been there. It's horrible, but you have to grieve for that loss. You can't transition seamlessly to being friends.
So sorry. We'll talk more soon I hope.


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