Romney’s Devolving

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Mitt Romney in 1994:

… As a nation we recognize the right of all people to believe as they want, and not to impose our beliefs on other people. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. And my personal beliefs like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign.

Youtube Video

Mitt Romney in 2010:

I never really called myself pro-choice.

Youtube Video

Mitt Romney’s position on abortion has devolved, as he increasingly panders to the religious right for votes. It’s a sign of how extreme the Republican Party has become; Romney knows that in the current climate, his political career in the GOP will be finished if he holds to his earlier principled stance.

UPDATE at 3/11/10 12:41:29 pm:

Uh oh.

“I think I’ve made it very clear. I was pro-choice, or effectively pro-choice, when I ran in 1994.”

(Hat tip: simoom.)

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453 comments
1 webevintage  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:02:01pm

The thing I don’t get is why he didn’t just say “I’ve changed my mind”?

2 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:02:02pm

So he’s a patrician flip flopper from Massachusetts good luck with that Republcians!

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:02:12pm

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

4 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:03:53pm

Very disappointing

5 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:04:44pm

What a sad spectacle. Romney is selling out for nothing: No amount of pandering will be able to overcome the “new base’s” suspicion about his Mormon faith, or his record in Massachusetts.

6 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:04:48pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

I don’t think so.

7 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:05:33pm

re: #1 webevintage

The thing I don’t get is why he didn’t just say “I’ve changed my mind”?

Waste of time either way. His opponents will use his earlier, pro choice comments against him anyway. It’s a simple fact that even a moderate pro choice stance will doom you as a candidate in the GOP for another decade.

8 Uninformed Opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:05:58pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

No.

9 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:06:38pm
I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice.

See? I never really called myself pro-choice. Factually true statement. Never used “pro-choice” to describe myself.

Have I mentioned that I really want to be President?

/Pandering Mitt

10 Bob Levin  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:07:26pm

I had this conversation with someone in the doctor’s office the other day (after a certain age, the doctor’s office takes the place of a pub), about the days when each party had influential members that ran the gamut of ideology and philosophy.

The Republicans ran from Nelson Rockefeller to Barry Goldwater, the Dems (not counting the Southern Dems), ran from Scoop Jackson to George McGovern. I’m not sure how effective they all were, but at least they had the potential to be effective. Much more so than this ideologue dog and pony show we have today.

11 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:07:34pm

A note to Politicians.

You are never going to get everyone to like you, EVER. All back pedalling and shifting your positions as the wind blows is make even more people not trust you. Pick a position, stick with it and be a leader.

12 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:10:26pm

Mitt has sold his soul, but he may have priced it too low. He lost the CPAC straw poll, and he is behind Huckabee in Iowa polling.

It’s a sad story in some ways, worthy of an episode of The Twilight Zone.

13 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:11:05pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

They’re hiding until Sarah Palin stops hunting them from helicopters.

14 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:12:47pm

re: #1 webevintage

The thing I don’t get is why he didn’t just say “I’ve changed my mind”?

Perhaps in the dark recesses of his mind, he feels a twinge of guilt for being so deceitful and shallow in the here and now.

15 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:13:02pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

They’re hiding until Sarah Palin stops hunting them from helicopters.

It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until they are dead.

16 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:13:32pm

The second video doesn’t really contradict the first. I would’ve liked to have heard the rest.

17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:14:56pm

re: #14 eclectic infidel

He’s going against a position that his mom held in 1970 to try to get the nomination. That’s cold.

18 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:15:43pm

re: #16 mr. hammer

Chameleons remain chameleons too, whatever color they change their skin.

19 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:16:30pm

Romney actually tried to do this in ‘08, and it didn’t work. The socon Right rejected his overtures. Add to that the Cultured Despisers Of Religion whaling on him from the Left, and he’s got quite a hard row to hoe.

20 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:16:57pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Good question. I’ve heard Mitch Daniels name come up. Christie’s name has been floated, but he just got into office and has yet to even finish a state budget season.

Other than Huntsmann, I’m not sure who else is out there worth a closer look.

21 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:17:24pm

I get the impression the religious and wingnut wings of the GOP won’t be happy until they can elect a Greg Stilson clone into office.

22 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:17:48pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

with the bar set so low now…I’ll take the job

23 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:17:51pm

re: #19 The Sanity Inspector

Romney actually tried to do this in ‘08, and it didn’t work. The socon Right rejected his overtures. Add to that the Cultured Despisers Of Religion whaling on him from the Left, and he’s got quite a hard row to hoe.

The harder his row, the happier I am.

24 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:18:16pm

re: #17 Obdicut

He’s going against a position that his mom held in 1970 to try to get the nomination. That’s cold.

Indeed it is, especially when you consider what would happen if abortion was outlawed in all circumstances.

People like me would go out of their way to help women find safe means to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. I can tell you that right now.

25 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:18:21pm

Further, I don’t see how this is evidence of how “extreme” the Republican Party has become.

26 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:19:15pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

Condi for 2012!!

(dang, she’s too sane to run…)

27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:19:20pm

re: #22 albusteve

The GOP base wouldn’t elect you, Steve. You’re far too soft on liberals.

28 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:20:26pm

re: #25 mr. hammer

Let’s go with symptomatic instead of evidential.

29 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:20:33pm

re: #27 Obdicut

The GOP base wouldn’t elect you, Steve. You’re far too soft on liberals.

actually, I hate them all almost equally

30 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:20:41pm

re: #16 mr. hammer

The second video doesn’t really contradict the first. I would’ve liked to have heard the rest.

Uh, what?

I guess this is why politicians do this kind of stuff — because there’s always somebody who will co-sign on it, even when the hypocrisy is right in their faces.

31 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:21:43pm

Mitt’s hair will do him no good….what a terrible waste of a valuable asset

32 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:21:44pm

re: #30 Charles

Uh, what?

I guess this is why politicians do this kind of stuff — because there’s always somebody who will co-sign on it, even when the hypocrisy is right in their faces.

Geez, Charles, there you go again.

33 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:22:31pm

re: #30 Charles

MP3 Audio

34 zora  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:23:56pm

Mitt Romney Refuses To Say If The Foundation Of The Massachusetts Health System Is Constitutional

thinkprogress.org

35 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:25:06pm

If the GOP wants to define itself by its stance on abortion it will quickly find itself with a vastly shrinking pool of voters who would identify with the party. That is bad news for the GOP, which needs to expand voter interest in its candidates.

This kind of pandering is bad news for Romney and the GOP at large. Romney isn’t going to win over more voters than if he simply stated that abortion is legal in the US and that isn’t going to change, but we should do more to provide alternatives (see adoption) because it might be a net loss - voters coming to him for staking pro-life versus those dropping because he changed his position; and changing his position based on situational awareness isn’t going to help convince those pro-lifers in any event.

Then again, abortion is a stand-in for a wider range of social issues, and here too the problem is that the GOP is pushing for positions that aren’t sustainable as anything other than as a regional party - it just wont fly on the coasts and NE (which also happens to be where the voters are).

The GOP has got to get back to preaching fiscal responsibility (and yes, I know that they’re still in the wilderness over that as well).

36 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:27:21pm

re: #16 mr. hammer

The second video doesn’t really contradict the first. I would’ve liked to have heard the rest.

Mitt 1994: “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.”

This is pro-choice terminology. N.O.W. uses this very phrase on signs at demonstrations.

Mitt 2010: “I never really called myself pro-choice.”

If you don’t see a contradiction, why not?

37 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:28:03pm

re: #32 mr. hammer

Thanks for reminding me of Mondale completely kicking Reagan’s ass on that comment of his:

Youtube Video

38 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:28:03pm

re: #35 lawhawk

I wonder if there’s a major age-break on abortion like there is on the gay issue.

39 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:28:23pm

re: #35 lawhawk

fiscal responsibility is dead…a gonner

40 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:28:56pm

Didn’t either Clinton or Gore (or maybe both) have a similar flip flop? (going from pro-life to pro-choice.)

41 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:29:00pm

I just got here and didn’t watch the videos. Did he say when his stance changed?

42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:29:20pm

re: #38 windsagio

Not so much among evangelicals, anyway The younger evangelicals are actually slightly more conservative about it.

In this case, it may actually be since they’re younger. I used to be a lot more anti-abortion until I got older and met more people.

43 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:29:22pm

re: #40 Mad Al-Jaffee

Didn’t either Clinton or Gore (or maybe both) have a similar flip flop? (going from pro-life to pro-choice.)

Gore did.

44 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:29:31pm

re: #35 lawhawk

If the GOP wants to define itself by its stance on abortion it will quickly find itself with a vastly shrinking pool of voters who would identify with the party.

That is exactly where it finds itself.

California is a perfect example - the litmus test arrived and the party got wiped out. There is no longer any opposition here so we have spent ourselves into oblivion while chasing away many, many employers.

Yet there is absolutely no room whatsoever for a Republican here to get a nomination if he/she blasphemes such sacred things as banning abortion, gay hate, ending “Darwinism” and Sarah Palin.

We live the Apocalypse.

45 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:29:42pm

re: #37 Obdicut

I thought you’d like that.

46 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:30:36pm

re: #41 Cannadian Club Akbar

He’s pretty much saying that his stance DIDN’T change.

47 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:30:44pm

re: #42 Obdicut

Not so much among evangelicals, anyway The younger evangelicals are actually slightly more conservative about it.

In this case, it may actually be since they’re younger. I used to be a lot more anti-abortion until I got older and met more people.

Young evangelical conservatives might as well be drones.

48 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:32:04pm

re: #47 uninformed opinion

well that’s not very nice :P

49 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:32:27pm

re: #44 karmic_inquisitor


The main problem in California is the governmental structure that encourages spending and makes it really difficult to get any taxes passed. Revenue is hard to get and easy to spend, an obvious recipe for disaster.

50 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:32:35pm

re: #48 windsagio

well that’s not very nice :P

no, but i will clarify, that most young people might as well be drones.

51 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:32:47pm

An opportune moment to link to a guy who was then hated by the left but would be more respected now -

liberalslikechrist.org

52 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:33:00pm

re: #47 uninformed opinion

Untrue. Young evangelicals are far more liberal than their parents on gay rights.

53 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:33:30pm

re: #36 eclectic infidel

Mitt 1994: “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.”

This is pro-choice terminology. N.O.W. uses this very phrase on signs at demonstrations.

Mitt 2010: “I never really called myself pro-choice.”

If you don’t see a contradiction, why not?

It’s even more evident with this quote:

I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice.

Of course, he didn’t actually say the words “pro-choice.” He said he “supports the right of a woman to make that choice,” which is obviously completely different.

/dripping

54 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:33:51pm

re: #50 uninformed opinion

to follow up on 52, and older people (starting to get there myself sadly :( ) are more calcified and habitual in their beliefs than young people.

55 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:33:52pm

re: #47 uninformed opinion

Young evangelical conservatives might as well be drones.

Yes, until they leave their protective bubble of family, church, and bible college and begin meeting people outside of their immediate life.

Perhaps I am being too much of an idealist, but in my experience, the more people I meet, regardless of whether I agree with them or not, the more I am able to shape my values with honesty & integrity.

56 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:34:17pm

re: #49 Obdicut

The main problem in California is the governmental structure that encourages spending and makes it really difficult to get any taxes passed. Revenue is hard to get and easy to spend, an obvious recipe for disaster.

and then the CA govt spends a huge amt of that deficit on itself and affiliated unions

57 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:34:18pm

re: #10 Bob Levin

I had this conversation with someone in the doctor’s office the other day (after a certain age, the doctor’s office takes the place of a pub), about the days when each party had influential members that ran the gamut of ideology and philosophy.

The Republicans ran from Nelson Rockefeller to Barry Goldwater, the Dems (not counting the Southern Dems), ran from Scoop Jackson to George McGovern. I’m not sure how effective they all were, but at least they had the potential to be effective. Much more so than this ideologue dog and pony show we have today.

I’d argue there are still Dem’s running a pretty wide gamut from Nancy Pelosi to Arlen Specter


Its just that the GOP ain’t so grand and the “big tent” ain’t so big when it comes to their people in congress and especially in the Senate…

If you ask my opinion at least.

58 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:34:29pm

re: #50 uninformed opinion

no, but i will clarify, that most young people might as well be drones.

Having been young and middle aged, and soon to be old, I find most older people to be drones and sycophants.

59 Lidane  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:34:59pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Aside from “It’s a good time to be in China” Huntsman, are there any GOP politicians with potential for the presidency who have both integrity and sane positions?

That would be a big fat no.

I’m fully expecting Huntsman to make a run in 2016. Granted, the hard right will hate him because he’s working with Obama now, but whatever. I can totally see the guy sitting out 2012 so that the teabaggery and generalized GOP fail plays itself out, then throwing his hat in the ring after that.

60 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:35:01pm

re: #56 albusteve

Steve, you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t really have much of a clue about Californian politics.

61 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:35:40pm

re: #52 Obdicut

Untrue. Young evangelicals are far more liberal than their parents on gay rights.


Yes, that is true. However the most vitriolic conversations i have ever had about AGW, terrorism, war, and conservative political issues is with evangelical christians.

62 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:35:41pm

re: #60 Obdicut

Is that a requirement?

63 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:36:06pm

re: #49 Obdicut

Thats the initiatives talking.

They can change the law to make it near-impossible to raise taxes, but they can’t or wont write an initiatve to cap spending. (probably because all people really care about are the taxes)

64 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:36:17pm

re: #36 eclectic infidel

Well, you’re right, but he didn’t use the term “pro-choice” in the first video. It sounded to my ears like more of a qualified pro life stance, as opposed to Teddy’s cut and dried position. And because the 2nd video cut off in mid-sentence, I don’t know what he was about to say next. Was he going to clarify the use of the word “really” in his initial statement? I don’t know.

I am just saying that to me, the truncated second video clip was just not all that damning.

65 Gus  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:36:30pm

Another day, another Holy Decree™ from the GOP.

“I was for it before I was against it.” — Mitt Romney

We used to call that flip flopping.

66 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:36:50pm

re: #61 uninformed opinion

*regardless of age :p

/I regret bringing up the age issue :p

67 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:36:52pm

re: #58 Jeff In Ohio

Having been young and middle aged, and soon to be old, I find most older people to be drones and sycophants.

especially when the have held a congressional seat for 30 years

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:02pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Another day, another Holy Decree™ from the GOP.

“I was for it before I was against it.” — Mitt Romney

We used to call that flip flopping.

Kinda like John Kerry.

69 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:03pm

re: #32 mr. hammer

Geez, Charles, there you go again.

Again in reference to what exactly?


Though feel free to phrase your response in the terms of a Sarah Palin quote!

70 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:07pm

re: #58 Jeff In Ohio

Having been young and middle aged, and soon to be old, I find most older people to be drones and sycophants.

a valid point. Perhaps my brush is broad, but my geographic location gives me very good access to the next generations of the christian conservative movement.

71 simoom  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:09pm

I remember this being an issue in the presidential election primaries:
Photo appears to show Romney at Planned Parenthood fund-raiser

Mitt Romney, who has taken hits from his Republican presidential rivals for his change of heart on abortion, had to explain earlier this year a donation that his wife made to Planned Parenthood.

Now, his campaign is trying to explain a photo, sent to several news organizations today, that shows him at a fund-raiser for the abortion provider.

Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994. At the time, Romney was hoping to unseat US Senator Edward M. Kennedy, and eager to show his support for abortion rights, said Gamble, who is pictured in the photo with her back to the camera.
…
Romney’s campaign acknowledged in May that Ann made a $150 contribution to Planned Parenthood in 1994, but his spokesman Kevin Madden said at the time, “Since it was so long ago, Ann has no information of the circumstances.”

Romney has said he changed his mind about abortion starting in 2004 after talking to scientists about stem cell research.
…
“I attend a lot of events when I run for office. I don’t recall the specific event,” Romney said while campaigning today in South Carolina, according to the Associated Press. “I think I’ve made it very clear. I was pro-choice, or effectively pro-choice, when I ran in 1994. As governor I’m pro-life and I have a record of being pro-life and I’m firmly pro-life today.”

His campaign also issued this statement today: “Governor Romney is firmly pro-life and has made it clear that as president he will advocate for a culture that welcomes life and protects the sanctity of life. Like Ronald Reagan before him, the governor has changed his position on this issue and changed it in the right way. Governor Romney does not regret, and won’t apologize for the fact, that he has become pro-life.”

On the photo specifically, the statement said, “As Mrs. Romney has stated previously, she is unfamiliar with the circumstances of a check she wrote close to 14 years ago. During his campaign for US Senate in 1994, it would not have been out of the ordinary for the governor to have attended an event, out of the hundreds that any candidate would attend during a campaign season, which involved a voter coalition and also have his wife accompanying him.”

Obviously, the sentence I bolded directly contradicts his latest statement: “I never really called myself pro-choice.”

72 Gus  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:31pm

re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kinda like John Kerry.

Yep, just like John Kerry.

73 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:53pm

Finally. After nearly four years the EU has issued a statement calling on Hamas to release Gilad Shalit.

What the frak took ‘em so long?? *deleted*

Of course, all wasn’t completely well with this resolution as also it calls for Israel to release prisoners. Might I remind ‘em of this guy.

Moral equivalence in action. Again.

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:56pm

OT- “Under God” in the pledge is constitutional-9th Circuit Court of Appeals

75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:37:58pm

re: #64 mr. hammer

Youtube Video

76 simoom  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:38:54pm

re: #53 Charles

Of course, he didn’t actually say the words “pro-choice.” He said he “supports the right of a woman to make that choice,” which is obviously completely different.

/dripping

See: littlegreenfootballs.com

He directly calls himself pro-choice:

I was pro-choice, or effectively pro-choice, when I ran in 1994.
77 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:38:59pm

re: #64 mr. hammer

He didn’t need to use the term pro-choice however. His statement defined him as pro-choice by default. People who are anti-abortion/anti-choice don’t make those kind of statements. At all.

78 Gus  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:39:05pm

re: #71 simoom

I remember this being an issue in the presidential election primaries:
Photo appears to show Romney at Planned Parenthood fund-raiser

Obviously, the sentence I bolded directly contradicts his latest statement: “I never really called myself pro-choice.”

He was driving though the neighborhood and happened to be lost so he stopped by and was “only asking for directions.”

/

79 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:39:41pm

re: #60 Obdicut

Steve, you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t really have much of a clue about Californian politics.

prove me wrong…how much is their unfunded payoffs to state employees, teachers, cops, fireman etc?…the liberals have gerrymandered themselves into permanent power and have the unions in their pockets…what do they owe?….25billion, 30billion

80 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:39:51pm

re: #76 simoom

Nice catch.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:40:00pm

re: #78 Gus 802

He was driving though the neighborhood and happened to be lost so he stopped by and was “only asking for directions.”

/

Hey! Dude was bringing me my pizzas, K?
/

82 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:40:07pm

re: #70 uninformed opinion

a valid point. Perhaps my brush is broad, but my geographic location gives me very good access to the next generations of the christian conservative movement.

Good enough. But not all evangelicals are in the conservative movement. A guy I play music with is an evangelical pastor, his congregation, while not beating the Unitarians down to gay pride, don’t sound anything like the chest beaters standing out in front of the abortion clinic. They are truly looking for middle ground.

83 Chaplain  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:40:47pm

Sigh… Mitt, Mitt, Mitt… I used to respect you brother…

re: #26 Aceofwhat?

Condi for 2012!!

(dang, she’s too sane to run…)

LOL!

84 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:41:14pm

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT- “Under God” in the pledge is constitutional-9th Circuit Court of Appeals

“I’m leaving the country!”

85 Gus  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:41:14pm

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey! Dude was bringing me my pizzas, K?
/

Quick! Fire up the Photoshop and paste on a Domino’s Pizza shirt on Mitt!

86 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:41:32pm

re: #67 albusteve

especially when the have held a congressional seat for 30 years

IMHO, threadworthy.

87 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:41:42pm

re: #79 albusteve

I think the problem is that you don’t really understand the ‘how and why’ of it, but would rather blame it on ‘liberal gerrymandering and unions’. The actual situation, unsurprisingly, is far more complex.

88 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:41:47pm

Meanwhile, over on PJTV, Instaputz is pushing the meme that “the global warming coverup spreads to NASA”.

Eeeshh…

89 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:41:49pm

re: #69 jamesfirecat

I’ve noticed that sometimes when you make a statement here that doesn’t resonate, the reaction you get - rather than a direct response - is one where respondent turns to the others with a knowing smile and says “oh, look, a stupid guy in our midst”, or a sock puppet, or a troll, or some other thing.

Passive aggressive. Not nice.

90 Shazam  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:00pm

He probably never did consider himself pro-choice. He was probably pandering to the Massachussetts liberals. Either that or he is pro-choice and lying about being pro-life now to pander to conservatives everywhere. Or he doesn’t give a crap either way because he’s a plastic robot designed to say whatever is most convenient at the time. Take your pick.

91 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:01pm

re: #71 simoom

He also gives the worst fucking reason I’ve ever heard for changing his stance: Talking to scientists about stem cells. That’s the lamest excuse to use to defend such a switch. I’ll believe him if he also, at the same time, started trying to get fertility clinics shut down.

92 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:17pm

re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kinda like John Kerry.

See post #2 though I’m just parroting Jon Stewart’s joke on the subject.

93 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:25pm

And the icing on the cake is that he is also enough of a whore to have allowed himself to be forced to publicly maintain that Sarah Palin is qualified to be President of the USA.
Youtube Video

94 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:37pm

re: #87 windsagio

I think the problem is that you don’t really understand the ‘how and why’ of it, but would rather blame it on ‘liberal gerrymandering and unions’. The actual situation, unsurprisingly, is far more complex.

people keep saying that…but that’s all they say

95 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:39pm

re: #77 eclectic infidel

He didn’t need to use the term pro-choice however. His statement defined him as pro-choice by default. People who are anti-abortion/anti-choice don’t make those kind of statements. At all.

It all depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is. Semantics at it’s finest.

I wasn’t pro-choice, I just supported Roe v. Wade.

Horseshit.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:42:43pm

re: #92 jamesfirecat

See post #2 though I’m just parroting Jon Stewart’s joke on the subject.

K

97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:43:08pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

So he’s a patrician flip flopper from Massachusetts good luck with that Republcians!

HA!!!

98 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:44:43pm

re: #82 Jeff In Ohio

Good enough. But not all evangelicals are in the conservative movement. A guy I play music with is an evangelical pastor, his congregation, while not beating the Unitarians down to gay pride, don’t sound anything like the chest beaters standing out in front of the abortion clinic. They are truly looking for middle ground.

I cant say that some evangelical christian organizations are not becoming more socially progressive. I do however believe that many organizations are shifting right. For every evangelical church that is preaching equality and peace, there are more preaching otherwise.

99 Chaplain  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:44:46pm

So… is there any sane Republicans left to vote for or will we just have to sit the 2012 election out?

100 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:44:47pm

re: #88 freetoken

Meanwhile, over on PJTV, Instaputz is pushing the meme that “the global warming coverup spreads to NASA”.

Eeeshh…

Yep, there they go again, those evil tricksy scientismists. They’re all in it together.

It’s just pathetic that PJ Media has turned into a forum for the craziest right wing BS. That’s not what it started out to be.

101 middy  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:45:04pm

It’s official. I’m done with the GOP.

Unless the other candidates are a worse option, I won’t vote for them. No longer will I give them the benefit of the doubt or defend them.

102 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:45:08pm

re: #89 mr. hammer

That was the most passive aggressive, not nice thing I’ve read all day.

103 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:45:23pm

re: #89 mr. hammer

I’ve noticed that sometimes when you make a statement here that doesn’t resonate, the reaction you get - rather than a direct response - is one where respondent turns to the others with a knowing smile and says “oh, look, a stupid guy in our midst”, or a sock puppet, or a troll, or some other thing.

Passive aggressive. Not nice.

Well then argue your convictions and make other people understand why you believe what you do rather than just clicking your tongue about it!

104 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:45:26pm

re: #90 nonsense

He probably never did consider himself pro-choice. He was probably pandering to the Massachussetts liberals. Either that or he is pro-choice and lying about being pro-life now to pander to conservatives everywhere. Or he doesn’t give a crap either way because he’s a plastic robot designed to say whatever is most convenient at the time. Take your pick.

He is what most integrity-driven people despise: a dishonest opportunist.

105 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:45:51pm

re: #77 eclectic infidel

He didn’t need to use the term pro-choice however. His statement defined him as pro-choice by default. People who are anti-abortion/anti-choice don’t make those kind of statements. At all.

OK, Agreed.

106 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:45:51pm

re: #89 mr. hammer

I’ve noticed that sometimes when you make a statement here that doesn’t resonate, the reaction you get - rather than a direct response - is one where respondent turns to the others with a knowing smile and says “oh, look, a stupid guy in our midst”, or a sock puppet, or a troll, or some other thing.

Passive aggressive. Not nice.

Would you like a martyr cookie with that whine?

107 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:46:22pm

re: #95 Girth

Thank you Bill Clinton!
/////

108 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:46:23pm

re: #94 albusteve

I explained part of it above, at least the taxing angle. Beyond that, you’re the one making the accusations, so you’re the one that has more of the burden of proof.

However the simple version:

There are 2 reasons that California has worse problems than other states;

1) Their population is substantially higher than almost anywhere else, and thus their costs are much higher.

2) The ‘direct democracy’ of the initiative process has made it almost impossible to raise money for the treasury.

Otherwise, its not that much different than the rest of the country. Its only different from OR and WA in terms of scale (oversimplifying some, but you could do a thesis, or several on the economy of CA)

109 blueraven  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:46:39pm

re: #89 mr. hammer

I’ve noticed that sometimes when you make a statement here that doesn’t resonate, the reaction you get - rather than a direct response - is one where respondent turns to the others with a knowing smile and says “oh, look, a stupid guy in our midst”, or a sock puppet, or a troll, or some other thing.

Passive aggressive. Not nice.

Who claims LGF is a “nice” place? I do not think it wrong however, that one is expected to back up their arguments.

110 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:46:40pm

re: #101 middy

It’s official. I’m done with the GOP.

Unless the other candidates are a worse option, I won’t vote for them. No longer will I give them the benefit of the doubt or defend them.

good for you, and try to spread the word

111 Gus  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:46:42pm

re: #106 Charles

Would you like a martyr cookie with that whine?

What goes best with martyr cookies? White whine or red whine? I would think white whine would be the choice.

/

112 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:47:24pm

re: #106 Charles

I’d double+ that for the wonderful mixed metaphor if I could :D

113 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:48:03pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A note to Politicians.

You are never going to get everyone to like you, EVER. All back pedalling and shifting your positions as the wind blows is make even more people not trust you. Pick a position, stick with it and be a leader.

Kragar, I think you hit the nail on the head with your statement. In the years I have been voting I am more and more disillusioned and disappointed in our politicians, not just the democrats but the republicans, independents and anyone who has run for office. Leadership should be the most important qualification for office but more and more politicians are acting like the word isn’t in their vocabulary right along with honesty, integrity and sincerity. I just don’t know where to turn these days.
I updinged your statement and applaud you your thinking. :-)

114 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:48:41pm

re: #89 mr. hammer

I’ve noticed that sometimes when you make a statement here that doesn’t resonate, the reaction you get - rather than a direct response - is one where respondent turns to the others with a knowing smile and says “oh, look, a stupid guy in our midst”, or a sock puppet, or a troll, or some other thing.

Passive aggressive. Not nice.

OK. You’re an idiot. Feel better?

115 Lidane  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:48:58pm

re: #106 Charles

Would you like a martyr cookie with that whine?

Don’t forget to throw in the whale sushi and breast milk cheese. Give them a full three course meal for that whine. Heh.

116 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:49:27pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Another day, another Holy Decree™ from the GOP.

“I was for it before I was against it.” — Mitt Romney

We used to call that flip flopping.

They still do. I think you have the classic definition there my friend.

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:49:40pm

re: #115 Lidane

Don’t forget to throw in the whale sushi and breast milk cheese. Give them a full three course meal for that whine. Heh.

Ding for a thread connection.

118 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:50:28pm

You’re right. I was whining. Sorry.
I tried to explain my statement in #64. I just didn’t find the short second clip all that compelling.

119 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:50:33pm

re: #108 windsagio

I explained part of it above, at least the taxing angle. Beyond that, you’re the one making the accusations, so you’re the one that has more of the burden of proof.

However the simple version:

There are 2 reasons that California has worse problems than other states;

1) Their population is substantially higher than almost anywhere else, and thus their costs are much higher.

2) The ‘direct democracy’ of the initiative process has made it almost impossible to raise money for the treasury.

Otherwise, its not that much different than the rest of the country. Its only different from OR and WA in terms of scale (oversimplifying some, but you could do a thesis, or several on the economy of CA)

who decides the costs?…the politicians do..and who passed the ‘direct democracy’ initiative?…why do the spend more than they can raise in taxes?…why are businesses flocking out of the state along with ordinary citizens?…you blame it on circumstances, well how did they get there?….liberal politicians….you have explained nothing

120 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:51:32pm

re: #88 freetoken

Meanwhile, over on PJTV, Instaputz is pushing the meme that “the global warming coverup spreads to NASA”.

Eeeshh…

He’s also pimping the new O’Keefe/Breitbart video investigation on HUD. They never learn.

121 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:52:36pm

LOL….Plus, what the Hooters CEO found out by being an undercover boss, on the next Huckabee!

Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man!

122 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:53:03pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK. You’re an idiot. Feel better?

Well, at least that’s direct.

123 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:53:12pm

re: #118 mr. hammer

How compelling do you find him directly saying that he was ‘pro-choice or effectively pro-choice’?

124 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:55:02pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

The first comment on the Big Journalism article: Wired Magazine, Conde Nast Scoop Breitbart, the ‘Bigs’ — HUD next O’Keefe Video Sting Target


Mjolnir - March 11th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

Its gonna take two years after the Republicans recapture the government just to get all the relevant people in line for prosecution…

My take…?

“The executions will continue until the corruption abates…”

125 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:55:54pm

re: #49 Obdicut

The main problem in California is the governmental structure that encourages spending and makes it really difficult to get any taxes passed. Revenue is hard to get and easy to spend, an obvious recipe for disaster.

I’ll quibble on one point - the revenue sources exacerbate the cyclicality of the underlying economy.

Since capital gains here are taxed the same as income, big windfalls happen when companies IPO and when real estate is moving higher. When the down draft hits, the revenue simply evaporates rather than just fall off.

Problem now is that the state starts looking for new sources of revenue. Right now, OSHA is sending guys out in pickup trucks looking for any business with a propane tank and then hitting them with a $150 per tank inspection fee. they can also do this to residences too, but have opted to only apply it when they see the decal of a propane company - they then hit up the propane company for the fee.

It is nuisance example but they add up when each department is looking for new fees to charge by re-interpreting old rules.

Another thing that affects us down here are defense contracts. The products defense contractors produce are not subject to sales tax. The City of Poway got General Atomics to move their entire drone production (predator/reaper/etc) to Poway not realizing that they get no revenue from it other than property tax. You have cities that incur big infrastructure costs yet don’t get commensurate revenue when the company has the Federal Government as its only customer.

126 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:56:24pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

He’s also pimping the new O’Keefe/Breitbart video investigation on HUD. They never learn.

wired.com

This time, there are no prostitutes involved, just a shady, and serious, tax-fraud scheme. The ploy involves the Obama administration’s 10 percent tax credit to first-time home buyers. The law says that the credit maxes out at $8,000 for an $80,000 home. But at the Detroit office of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the rule seems open to interpretation. O’Keefe asks a staffer, What if I bought a place for $50,000, but the seller and I agreed to write down $80,000 as the purchase price?

“Flip it any way you want,” the staffer replies.

What if the place is worth much less — like only $6,000?

“Yup, you can do that.”

O’Keefe and fellow activist Joe Basel ran the same sting at HUD’s Chicago office and at several federally supported independent housing groups. Breitbart paces the parquet floor. The video is damning but not exactly Acorn-explosive.

Then O’Keefe stops the playback. “Oh yeah, I forgot,” he says. “We went to the Detroit Free Press, to the managing editor. We told her the whole thing. She said she wasn’t interested. Wanna see the tape?”

Breitbart starts to cackle. Of course he wants to see the tape. Sleazy HUD administrators are important, sure. But media covering up sleaze? That’s entertainment. “Dude, that’s the most important part!” he says. “I have seepage coming out of five parts of my body right now.”

127 blueraven  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:56:46pm

re: #118 mr. hammer

You’re right. I was whining. Sorry.
I tried to explain my statement in #64. I just didn’t find the short second clip all that compelling.

Upding for honesty.

128 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:56:55pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

The first comment on the Big Journalism article: Wired Magazine, Conde Nast Scoop Breitbart, the ‘Bigs’ — HUD next O’Keefe Video Sting Target

Interesting how Breitbart and O’Keefe seem to focus on the organizations that most benefit minorities.

129 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:56:57pm

re: #119 albusteve

do you know what ‘direct democracy’ means?

Well, I’ll tell you. Citizens file initiatives saying ‘bla bla bla’ and those then, through public election become law (again simplifying). Specifically, a number of tax types require referendum (more direct democracy :p) or a supermajority to pass. This makes it almost impossible to raise taxes.

As to cutting spending, then we get into ‘name the program you actually want to cut’, and that way lies gridlock and madness.

130 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:57:18pm

I’d say something passive aggressive right now were I not afraid to.

Such an environment of intimidation.

*sigh*.

131 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:57:43pm

Oh, by the way Happy Thursday everyone. I hope you are all doing well?

Everyone except Mr Romney that is, I couldn’t care less for the flip-flopping p.o.s. Nothing he say’s surprises me these days, but then nothing any politician says or does surprises me anymore.

132 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:57:45pm

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

President Barack Obama has announced which groups will get the $1.4 million he received for winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama said Thursday that $250,000 will go to Fisher House, a national nonprofit that houses families whose loved ones are receiving care at Veterans Administration medical centers. He will give another $200,000 to the Bush-Clinton Haiti Fund to help the country recover from the earthquake.

The balance will go to an array of other groups including education foundations, scholarship funds and regional development groups in Africa and Central Asia.

133 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:57:59pm

re: #125 karmic_inquisitor

Yeah. There are many levels to the suck. But the main bottleneck is the budgetary system and prop system. I’m not saying those are the only problems, but, as you say, those problems exacerbate nearly everything else.

134 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:58:31pm

re: #123 Obdicut

How compelling do you find him directly saying that he was ‘pro-choice or effectively pro-choice’?

If he said that, then that would certainly be compelling. Did he?

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:58:57pm

re: #132 freetoken

IIRC, he said he was gonna give the money away from the get-go. I think it was covered here.

136 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:59:00pm

re: #32 mr. hammer

Geez, Charles, there you go again.

Jeez.. Someone from the class of 2004.. I thought you folks had all left or were curled up in some corner sucking your thumbs..Or a left over sock somebody left behind.

137 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:59:20pm

re: #132 freetoken

They will complain that any of the money is going elsewhere than the United States. That’s my guess. And every individual donation will be criticized, as well. I predict someone will say he’s focusing on wounded veterans to scare up anti-ware sentiment, since I saw that argument already on Freep.

138 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:59:23pm

re: #132 freetoken

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

Africa! He is sending money back to Kenya to buy off the officials there and keep his birth certifikut sekrit!

With Nobel money!

139 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:59:30pm

re: #132 freetoken

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

Just like a Liberal, giving away his hard earned money to those who don’t deserve it!

140 Lidane  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 12:59:49pm

re: #132 freetoken

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

They’ll complain that he’s giving some of the money to programs that help kids outside of the United States. And no, I’m not kidding. I fully expect that to be a talking point.

141 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:00:16pm

More dirt on Massa, could be BS, but worth a read.

“In hindsight, Democratic insiders wondered about activities that before had just seemed odd. They said Massa hired a surprisingly large percentage of young gay men, and paid them so little that staffers were forced to live in the house with him.
“It’s not the gay part that’s a problem, it’s the abuse, if it’s true,” said one Hill source.”

Read more: nydailynews.com

Massa.

142 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:00:29pm

re: #134 mr. hammer

Are you reading the thread? Maybe you could give that a shot. I hear that you can even search the thread for specific words!

143 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:00:48pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Jeez.. Someone from the class of 2004.. I thought you folks had all left or were curled up in some corner sucking your thumbs..Or a left over sock somebody left behind.

Nope. Still hanging in there, HoosierHoops. Thanks for checking.

144 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:00:52pm

re: #125 karmic_inquisitor

I’ll quibble on one point - the revenue sources exacerbate the cyclicality of the underlying economy.

Since capital gains here are taxed the same as income, big windfalls happen when companies IPO and when real estate is moving higher. When the down draft hits, the revenue simply evaporates rather than just fall off.

Problem now is that the state starts looking for new sources of revenue. Right now, OSHA is sending guys out in pickup trucks looking for any business with a propane tank and then hitting them with a $150 per tank inspection fee. they can also do this to residences too, but have opted to only apply it when they see the decal of a propane company - they then hit up the propane company for the fee.

It is nuisance example but they add up when each department is looking for new fees to charge by re-interpreting old rules.[…]

A useful reminder that government entities have their own “profit” motives, their own agendas, their own goals, which sometimes conflict with the role of being a neutral referee in private affairs.

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:01:00pm

re: #128 Charles


Interesting how Breitbart and O’Keefe seem to focus on the organizations that most benefit minorities.


Yeah, I don’t think there’s much mystery about their motives.

146 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:01:06pm

re: #142 Obdicut

And I hear you can search any web page at all for specific words!!!

147 Lidane  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:01:12pm

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, he said from the start he wouldn’t keep the money at all.

The ODS wingnuts, however, will seize on anything to whine about.

148 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:01:18pm

re: #137 Obdicut

re: #138 karmic_inquisitor

Yup, I expect that. Haiti! Africa! Black people! Obama hates white people!

149 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:01:46pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Wired is the publication that is running with that story.

150 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:01:52pm

re: #142 Obdicut

Are you reading the thread? Maybe you could give that a shot. I hear that you can even search the thread for specific words!

Sorry guy. Wasn’t trying to be difficult. I’ve just got work to do.

151 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:02:17pm

The Modern Whig Party is a much better party than the GOP.

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:02:53pm

re: #147 Lidane

Yeah, he said from the start he wouldn’t keep the money at all.

The ODS wingnuts, however, will seize on anything to whine about.

But, but, he’s spending it on Arugula and lobster!!!!
/ODS, off

153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:03:25pm

re: #126 Jeff In Ohio

I doubt there’s much to it. They edit the tapes and voice over different questions to pre-recorded answers. Interesting technique to leak the tapes to Wired first. I guess they think that gives them some extra credibility when they post them on Breitbart’s site.

154 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:03:39pm

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, he’s spending it on Arugula and lobster!!!
/ODS, off

What would a second rate mind spend 1.4 million dollars on?

NASCAR and lottery tickets?

155 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:03:58pm

re: #154 windsagio

and malt liquor?

156 blueraven  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:02pm

re: #150 mr. hammer

Sorry guy. Wasn’t trying to be difficult. I’ve just got work to do.

That might be the understatement of this thread.

157 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:05pm

re: #154 windsagio

What would a second rate mind spend 1.4 million dollars on?

NASCAR and lottery tickets?

Pie.

158 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:11pm

One thing about Romney has stayed consistent…he’s still an asshole.

159 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:22pm

re: #154 windsagio

What would a second rate mind spend 1.4 million dollars on?

NASCAR and lottery tickets?

1.4 million won’t get you a sniff of a NASCAR team. Heh.

160 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:24pm

re: #149 lawhawk

Wired is the publication that is running with that story.

Yeah, Breitbart is leaking it though Wired for some reason.

161 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:25pm

re: #151 Ojoe

The Modern Whig Party is a much better party than the GOP.

The Silly Party is a much better party than the GOP.

Youtube Video

162 Chaplain  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:27pm
Breitbart starts to cackle. Of course he wants to see the tape. Sleazy HUD administrators are important, sure. But media covering up sleaze? That’s entertainment. “Dude, that’s the most important part!” he says. “I have seepage coming out of five parts of my body right now.”

I just re-read that…ummm…ewww?

163 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:34pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh dude you’re right, I forgot about his pie problem >>

164 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:42pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Eat as much as you want.

165 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:51pm

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

It’ll buy you admission and airfair to alot of races tho!

166 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:04:54pm

re: #132 freetoken

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

They’ll find some money going to Asian and African causes that they can talk about. Maybe someone will buy a case of condoms for example.

167 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:18pm

re: #155 windsagio

and malt liquor?

I always like ordering a Schlitz when I’m at a nice restaurant. Then I say, “What do you mean you don’t have it?”

168 Chaplain  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:21pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Yeah, Breitbart is leaking it though Wired for some reason.

That isn’t all he is leaking either…. bleh!

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:34pm

re: #165 windsagio

It’ll buy you admission and airfair to alot of races tho!

Airfare? Rednecks drive RV’s!!

170 mr. hammer  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:41pm

re: #156 blueraven

That might be the understatement of this thread.

clever

171 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:45pm

re: #161 jamesfirecat

Pretty much what I think too.

172 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:45pm

re: #167 darthstar

That’s simply awesome.

173 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:48pm

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, he’s spending it on Arugula and lobster!!!
/ODS, off

I would have hired 50 craftsmen to build me a fleet of vintage muscle cars….but I’m a cool guy like that…start with a 69 Z28, and go from there….recovery!

174 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:05:59pm

ooooh- new gropergate.

gawker.com

Scott Brown this time. Does not look as entertaining as Massa, tho.

175 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:06:19pm

re: #132 freetoken

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

Palin still hasn’t disclosed who she gave her Tea Party speaking fee to.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:06:33pm

re: #173 albusteve

I would have hired 50 craftsmen to build me a fleet of vintage muscle cars…but I’m a cool guy like that…start with a 69 Z28, and go from there…recovery!

2.02 heads. I know what you’re saying.

177 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:01pm

re: #173 albusteve

Our neighbors rebuilt a z28 in their driveway last summer, was pretty cool >>

178 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:05pm

re: #128 Charles

Interesting how Breitbart and O’Keefe seem to focus on the organizations that most benefit minorities.

They’re in good company. I don’t know if you remember when David Duke war running for state office in Louisiana. He made repeated attacks on the welfare system there (a veiled attack on minorities) and it turned out that the state welfare budget was incredibly small, less than 5% if I remember correctly.

179 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:06pm

re: #166 avanti

Checked to see if the Freepers are on the story yet… and of course they are. One of the comments:

It is illegal for him to accept money. Its in the constitution.

Will he give any to the Hopital in Kenya?


8 posted on March 11, 2010 1:03:56 PM PST by PA-RIVER

Heh…

180 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:33pm

re: #167 darthstar

I always like ordering a Schlitz when I’m at a nice restaurant. Then I say, “What do you mean you don’t have it?”

“Wrong glass sir!”

Damn can’t find the clip….

181 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:38pm

re: #177 windsagio

Hey, Wind. I like your new avatar. He looks like a Viking.

182 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:44pm

re: #149 lawhawk

Wired is the publication that is running with that story.

I know. Breitbart chose to let them preview the story first.

183 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:07:45pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Palin still hasn’t disclosed who she gave her Tea Party speaking fee to.

That’s because charity begins at home. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn she gave it to a family member or decided to keep it herself. Nothing surprises me anymore.

184 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:08:29pm

re: #91 Obdicut

He also gives the worst fucking reason I’ve ever heard for changing his stance: Talking to scientists about stem cells. That’s the lamest excuse to use to defend such a switch. I‘ll believe him if he also, at the same time, started trying to get fertility clinics shut down.

…and therein lies the inherent hypocrisy of a rabid, no-questions-asked anti-abortion stance.

the other half of the hypocrisy is that part of the logic of being “for a somewhat more limited government” is believing that people ought to have the right to privately make choices and deal with the consequences of actions that have no bearing on the rest of us.

and you heard that from a conservative.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:08:48pm

OT-Reid said he will use reconciliation with HCR. My radio just said so.

186 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:09:27pm

re: #183 Dragon_Lady

Hi, Dragon Lady. I hope RWC is having safe travels. He said FL? Am soooo jealous.

187 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:09:42pm

re: #179 freetoken

Will he give any to the Hopital in Kenya?

Cut this one some slack, clearly he was having trouble taking a limit and needed to use L’Hopital’s Rule.

en.wikipedia.org

188 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:09:46pm

re: #183 Dragon_Lady

That’s because charity begins at home. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn she gave it to a family member or decided to keep it herself. Nothing surprises me anymore.

My guess is that the money went to her own Political Action Committee. It’s probably a tax deduction for her too.

189 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:10:30pm

re: #177 windsagio

Our neighbors rebuilt a z28 in their driveway last summer, was pretty cool >>

yup…my dream

190 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:10:40pm

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT-Reid said he will use reconciliation with HCR. My radio just said so.

Can’t side step the abortion issue with reconciliation, so Nancy must have found a few more votes elsewhere.

191 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:10:48pm

re: #181 prairiefire

See now I feel bad, the guy pictured is a very very awful man >

192 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:10:52pm

re: #180 jamesfirecat

“Wrong glass sir!”

Damn can’t find the clip…

“How much for your women? The little girl, your wife, we want to buy your women.”

193 blueraven  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:10:58pm

re: #170 mr. hammer

clever

No offense meant.
Trying to make an honest point; Read the thread, substantiate your arguments and dont whine if you are called out for not doing so.

194 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:11:00pm

re: #167 darthstar

ROFLMAO

195 zora  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:11:09pm

re: #174 karmic_inquisitor

beck bait.

196 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:11:49pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Palin still hasn’t disclosed who she gave her Tea Party speaking fee to.

Todd. He was going by the bank anyway.

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:11:52pm

re: #190 karmic_inquisitor

Can’t side step the abortion issue with reconciliation, so Nancy must have foundbought a few more votes elsewhere.

ftfy

198 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:12:04pm

re: #181 prairiefire

Hey, Wind. I like your new avatar. He looks like a Viking.

Vikings were mean, evil guys…I demand she change it to a puppy dog..or a Camaro would be fine

199 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:12:33pm

re: #147 Lidane

Which reminds me, does anyone know if ex-governor Palin has given away her (recent) $100k speaking money?

200 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:12:49pm

re: #1 webevintage

The thing I don’t get is why he didn’t just say “I’ve changed my mind”?

Because in this era of demonizing “flip floppers”, it is political suicide to say something like that I am afraid.

201 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:13:06pm

Meg Whitman press conference, that wasn’t.

Youtube Video

202 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:13:48pm

re: #192 Girth

“How much for your women? The little girl, your wife, we want to buy your women.”

Sadly I have only one upding to give, that and I can only find that scene on Youtube in German….

203 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:13:53pm

re: #186 prairiefire

Hi, Dragon Lady. I hope RWC is having safe travels. He said FL? Am sooo jealous.

FL? As far as I know he’s at work in D.T. L.A. Hey RWC you out there? You fly to FL without tellin me? Huh?
Seriously, no he’s at work. How the heck are you doin? Probably better than me! I’m blowin off a job offer tomorrow. I don’t want to work for a Sherman Tank with the subtly of a Howitzer.

204 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:14:00pm

re: #198 albusteve

I will change it, but just for the record:

It’s Varg Vikernes, aka Count Grishnakh, known for stabbing another musician with a sword, and burning down irreplacable stave churches in Norway.

I had a bet going with WUB about whether or not anyone would notice it, but I’m gonna welsh (no offense to the Welsh :p).

205 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:15:10pm

re: #204 windsagio

I will change it, but just for the record:

It’s Varg Vikernes, aka Count Grishnakh, known for stabbing another musician with a sword, and burning down irreplacable stave churches in Norway.

I had a bet going with WUB about whether or not anyone would notice it, but I’m gonna welsh (no offense to the Welsh :p).

please don’t…I don’t need that, I was jesting…I’m absolutely avatar neutral

206 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:15:25pm

re: #166 avanti

Abstinence education is free. The gift that keeps on giving doesn’t work in the real world.
//

207 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:16:26pm

re: #180 jamesfirecat

What’s the fuss, Gus?

Youtube Video

208 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:16:54pm

re: #128 Charles

HUD? Let’s just say that the problems with HUD go back years and it crosses administrations. The problems that are alleged in Detroit goes again to a moral flexibility to claim tax credits that they are not entitled to under the law by playing around with pricing. It also has to do with the complexity of the homeowner tax credit and calculating the amounts (and IIRC the credit requires working through Form 5405.) Someone giving that kind of information would be putting the homeowner/taxpayer at risk of an audit and of willful evasion of tax - with all the penalties and fees that it implies.

But it’s not like HUD hasn’t been involved in scandals before. Lots of them in fact.

There was price fixing in the Reagan administration involving HUD.

There were problems with Andrew Cuomo at HUD.

There were problems with Bush as President at HUD.

The reason HUD is targeted is because it’s such a rich target - lots of problems in the past, and it deals with tons of money across the nation for a variety of programs including low and affordable housing.

Quite a bit of money that would benefit those communities is lost in the bureaucracy and never gets to the programs that do work - I’ve seen and heard about this first-hand.

209 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:16:59pm

re: #201 avanti

What an arrogant idiot.

210 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:17:19pm

re: #205 albusteve

haha no its good, you’ll like the placeholder too :p

And I was starting to feel dirty having a scumbag like Varg as my icon anyways.

211 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:17:43pm

re: #206 theheat

Abstinence education is free. The gift that keeps on giving doesn’t work in the real world.
//

I find your lack of faith disturbing…

212 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:17:49pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I get the impression the religious and wingnut wings of the GOP won’t be happy until they can elect a Greg Stilson clone into office.

I don’t know who that is? Does he wear a Stilson hat and eat Stilson cheese?

213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:18:42pm

re: #208 lawhawk

Dude, are you seriously claiming that O’Keefe isn’t displaying race-based motivations in who he targets for ‘investigation’?

214 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:19:12pm

OK - who else is here who should be doing something else right now?

215 simoom  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:19:21pm

re: #128 Charles

Interesting how Breitbart and O’Keefe seem to focus on the organizations that most benefit minorities.

Yup, I’m definitely seeing that pattern here. O’Keefe’s Affirmative Action Bake Sale, his “minorities only” Planned Parenthood donation sting, his ACORN crusade and now it looks like he’s going after low income housing outfits.

Well, I guess it’s all consistent with what Breitbart said at CPAC:

Why don’t you go fix the inner city instead of going after people that expose it.

Are low income community organizers / organizations the Right’s new “Welfare Queens”? Something to rail against and demonize, and in the process implicitly strengthen old narratives on race and poverty.

216 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:19:29pm

re: #214 karmic_inquisitor

I should be getting some food, for one.

217 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:19:57pm

re: #216 windsagio

I should be getting some food, for one.

I got chips.

218 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:20:10pm

re: #213 Obdicut

Dude, are you seriously claiming that O’Keefe isn’t displaying race-based motivations in who he targets for ‘investigation’?

I read that as a logical argument that investigating the HUD bears the lion share of responsibility for suspicions of questionable behavior on its part.

219 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:20:15pm

re: #201 avanti

Meg Whitman press conference, that wasn’t.

Meg doesn’t have time to talk to the little people…move along now.

220 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:20:53pm

re: #214 karmic_inquisitor

OK - who else is here who should be doing something else right now?

I’m headed to the market for supplies….it’s a big event for a one legged orc like myself

221 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:21:05pm

re: #216 windsagio

I should be getting some food, for one.

Got that covered - siting in a restaurant.

Next ….

222 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:21:09pm

re: #211 Aceofwhat?

I find your lack of faith disturbing…

Impressive link. Upding!

223 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:21:41pm

re: #211 Aceofwhat?

The fat lady is still out on that one.

224 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:02pm

re: #220 albusteve

I’m headed to the market for supplies…it’s a big event for a one legged orc like myself

Watch out for eager-yet-confused snorkelers.

225 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:14pm

re: #209 Obdicut

What an arrogant idiot.

To me, it seems she was ill served by her handlers, and should have over ruled her aid and taken a few questions. Just a simple “I don’t have a lot of time, but I’ll take a few questions before I need to go” would have been better. She just looked confused, and helpless by turning to a aid for advice.

226 abbyadams  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:32pm

re: #128 Charles

Probably has to do with this. Minority births on track to outnumber white births.

If the Republicans don’t mend some fences, they simply are going to be a regional party. Period.

227 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:41pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

I don’t know who that is? Does he wear a Stilson hat and eat Stilson cheese?

The right-wing politician played by Martin Sheen in The Dead Zone.

en.wikipedia.org

228 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:49pm

re: #214 karmic_inquisitor

OK - who else is here who should be doing something else right now?

Now that I’m gonna decline the job offer working for a Sherman Tank, I guess I should be doing some house work but I’m just not in the mood…

229 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:49pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

I read that as a logical argument that investigating the HUD bears the lion share of responsibility for suspicions of questionable behavior on its part.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, literally.

Thesis: O’Keefe is targeting HUD because it fits with his race-baiting asshole behavior.

I don’t get what HUD being actually worth investigating has to do with that, unless the claim is that he’s really honestly investigating them.

230 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:22:56pm

re: #224 karmic_inquisitor

Watch out for eager-yet-confused snorkelers.

I’ll don my armor before I leave

231 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:23:43pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

I don’t know who that is? Does he wear a Stilson hat and eat Stilson cheese?

Greg Stilson Fictional Politican who followed a Glenn Beck, Ron Paul crazy conservative strategy to get elected and triggers WWIII because he thought God told him to.

232 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:25:00pm

re: #226 abbyadams

Probably has to do with this. Minority births on track to outnumber white births.

If the Republicans don’t mend some fences, they simply are going to be a regional party. Period.

We should be glad of them anyways, most first-world nations have population shrinkage, aging populations, or both.

233 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:25:28pm

re: #223 theheat

The fat lady is still out on that one.

Let me rearrange your words into something more accurate.

“Not all abstinence programs are effective. That is not to say that all abstinence programs are ineffective.”

this one’s on me. the next one will cost you some Bombay…

234 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:25:29pm

re: #226 abbyadams

Probably has to do with this. Minority births on track to outnumber white births.

If the Republicans don’t mend some fences, they simply are going to be a regional party. Period.

Hey, Hispainics and other minorities will only be a bit over 50% of the population, the GOP will still have the older white vote sewn up./

235 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:26:03pm

re: #229 Obdicut

I don’t understand what you’re saying, literally.

Thesis: O’Keefe is targeting HUD because it fits with his race-baiting asshole behavior.

I don’t get what HUD being actually worth investigating has to do with that, unless the claim is that he’s really honestly investigating them.

probably because that’s the most fucked-up sentence i’ve ever written. i award myself no points, and may God have mercy on my soul…

236 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:26:05pm

re: #214 karmic_inquisitor

OK - who else is here who should be doing something else right now?

Well, I’m taking a break from work.

237 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:26:11pm

CBO scored the new HCR bill. This is good news for those fiscal conservatives looking for a reason to support the bill…McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc…

238 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:27:16pm

re: #237 darthstar

CBO scored the new HCR bill. This is good news for those fiscal conservatives looking for a reason to support the bill…McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc…

The bill isn’t finish, is it?

239 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:27:55pm

OK outies! TTy’all later :)

240 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:27:57pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Well, I’m taking a break from work.

i am trying to work and keep up at the same time…and failing.

241 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:05pm

re: #237 darthstar

CBO scored the new HCR bill. This is good news for those fiscal conservatives looking for a reason to support the bill…McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc…

now, insert pork and get it voted into law

242 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:13pm

re: #228 Dragon_Lady

Now that I’m gonna decline the job offer working for a Sherman Tank, I guess I should be doing some house work but I’m just not in the mood…

Always understandable.

And if anyone ever yearns to live in a tent so there is “no housework” I will tell you that is not true. I lived in a tent for a while in the Army. When you live in a tent you get fastidious about keeping it clean. Troops got to where they simply would not enter my tent - just pass things through the flap. And fastidious is not part of my personality.

243 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:19pm

re: #233 Aceofwhat?

Sapphire. On the rocks. With a twist.

244 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:38pm

re: #238 Cannadian Club Akbar

The bill isn’t finish, is it?

Sssshhhh… don’t point that out.

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:39pm

re: #241 albusteve

now, insert pork and get it voted into law

Exactly.

246 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:39pm

re: #241 albusteve

now, insert pork and get it voted into law

Put your snorkle away.

247 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:28:52pm

re: #237 darthstar

CBO scored the new HCR bill. This is good news for those fiscal conservatives looking for a reason to support the bill…McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc…

mind the inputs. The CBO has no choice but to take input assumptions at face value. i invoke 48-hr rule…no cloture! no cloture!

248 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:29:02pm

re: #237 darthstar

CBO scored the new HCR bill. This is good news for those fiscal conservatives looking for a reason to support the bill…McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc…

Yea right. Nothing will sway the GOP to support the bill. Even one defector will be labeled a RINO, or a lot worse.

249 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:30:16pm

re: #248 avanti

Yea right. Nothing will sway the GOP to support the bill. Even one defector will be labeled a RINO, or a lot worse.

Start From Scratch!
Start From Scratch!

I’m leaving the country

250 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:30:29pm

re: #240 Aceofwhat?

i am trying to work and keep up at the same time…and failing.

Exactly. I had to skip over the first 200 comments if I was ever going to have a chance.

251 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:31:06pm

re: #249 albusteve

I’ve been doing research on ex-pating. New Zealand seems to be the best I can find thus far.

252 KingKenrod  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:31:10pm

re: #237 darthstar

CBO scored the new HCR bill. This is good news for those fiscal conservatives looking for a reason to support the bill…McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc…

So, does the CBO score of Obama’s proposal include 10 years of revenue but fewer years of outlays? Because it is worthless as a deficit reduction measure if that is true.

253 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:31:25pm

re: #248 avanti

Yea right. Nothing will sway the GOP to support the bill. Even one defector will be labeled a RINO, or a lot worse.

Oh, hell…they wouldn’t support the bill if they wrote it themselves. It would give the president a victory. I’m just kidding when I say people like McCain, McConnell and McGraham would support the bill if it met fiscal goals.

254 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:31:29pm

re: #243 theheat

Sapphire. On the rocks. With a twist.

DUDE. Drink Sapphire chilled, neat, with a twist.

Regular Bombay is classy enough if you’re pouring it over the rocks or drinking it with tonic…

255 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:32:15pm

re: #254 Aceofwhat?

I put ice in my milk. I like ice.

256 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:32:17pm

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

1.4 million won’t get you a sniff of a NASCAR team. Heh.

Sidebar: Remember that ridiculous stunt from several years ago? Dateline was doing a story on anti-Muslim bigotry in America, and decided to get some telegenic hate on film by sending people in Islamic garb to a NASCAR event. Because, like, if you’re a self-impressed, caped-crusading for social justice MSM hairdo, where else would you go to look for bigotry? Certainly not to your own editorial offices, where the silly scheme was hatched. Nobody at the Martinsville race bothered the plants, and I don’t know if they even aired it.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:32:27pm

I was looking at the HRC Bill and decided…Hey!! I TiVo’d American Idol!!!
///

258 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:32:46pm

re: #242 karmic_inquisitor

Always understandable.

And if anyone ever yearns to live in a tent so there is “no housework” I will tell you that is not true. I lived in a tent for a while in the Army. When you live in a tent you get fastidious about keeping it clean. Troops got to where they simply would not enter my tent - just pass things through the flap. And fastidious is not part of my personality.

It never used to be in mine either, but as I get older I seem to be getting more and more picky about cleanliness, especially in the kitchen and downstairs bathroom where the cat box is.

259 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:32:54pm

re: #255 theheat

I put ice in my milk. I like ice.

yeah, i updinged you anyway just for being a gin kind of person. Vodka drinkers frighten and confuse me.

260 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:32:58pm

re: #241 albusteve

now, insert pork and get it voted into law

They are talking about a bipartisan, no pork bill in any new legislation. That’s the only way they can stop it, if Md gets pork, the folks in Tx. will demand theirs. BTW, they did take most all the bribe money out of the health bill, but Obama wants it all gone, not likely to happen.

261 uninformed opinion  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:33:25pm

re: #249 albusteve

Start From Scratch!
Start From Scratch!

I’m leaving the country

I am kinda surprised we did not see this yet.

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:34:08pm

re: #259 Aceofwhat?

yeah, i updinged you anyway just for being a gin kind of person. Vodka drinkers frighten and confuse me.

Absolut-ly. with a twist, please.

263 avanti  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:34:58pm

re: #253 darthstar

Oh, hell…they wouldn’t support the bill if they wrote it themselves. It would give the president a victory. I’m just kidding when I say people like McCain, McConnell and McGraham would support the bill if it met fiscal goals.

They could get Graham if they promised him a amnesty bill, that would cause heads to explode.

264 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:35:01pm

More intrigue on Health Care …

spectator.org

Looks like the house will have to place blind faith in the Senate on reconciliation. they thought they had a parliamentary “hostage strategy” in place but the parliamentarian ruled “no”.

Now HOR members are in a squeeze - they will have to vote and many don’t want to. They want it to die on the table.

265 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:35:30pm

re: #259 Aceofwhat?

Never trust anyone whose beverage criteria is “as long as I can’t taste it.”

That’s why there’s gin. You want to taste it.

266 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:35:47pm

re: #255 theheat

I put ice in my milk. I like ice.

Hey, me too! Milk just isn’t good unless its ice cold! I confess, I’m a milkaholic!

267 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:35:49pm

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

Absolut-ly. with a twist, please.

Just so i understand it…isn’t vodka mostly scored on how much taste it doesn’t have?

268 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:36:29pm

re: #252 KingKenrod

So, does the CBO score of Obama’s proposal include 10 years of revenue but fewer years of outlays? Because it is worthless as a deficit reduction measure if that is true.

It scored the Senate bill which is front end loaded on revenue, back end on outlays.

269 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:36:32pm

re: #265 theheat

Never trust anyone whose beverage criteria is “as long as I can’t taste it.”

That’s why there’s gin. You want to taste it.

See? Who says right and left can’t find a good common place from which to begin? Now let’s drink//

270 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:36:37pm

re: #251 Jetpilot1101

I’ve been doing research on ex-pating. New Zealand seems to be the best I can find thus far.

it’s Jamaica for me…after a few months down there I’ll be glad to come back to a liberal commie regime here

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:36:48pm

re: #267 Aceofwhat?

Just so i understand it…isn’t vodka mostly scored on how much taste it doesn’t have?

I drink 2 vodkas a year. About 1 every 6 months.

272 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:36:55pm

re: #269 Aceofwhat?

Gin & pie.

274 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:37:44pm

re: #259 Aceofwhat?

yeah, i updinged you anyway just for being a gin kind of person. Vodka drinkers frighten and confuse me.

Martinis are made with gin, dammit! Why do some people get this so wrong?!

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:38:18pm

re: #274 Girth

Martinis are made with gin, dammit! Why do some people get this so wrong?!

There are vodka martinis.

276 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:38:19pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

Beck: Fox News executive told me ‘you are the key’ to surviving ‘a global economic holocaust.’

So where should I buy my gold?

/

277 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:38:56pm

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

There are vodka martinis.

Exactly. Then it’s a vodka martini.

Not a martini.

278 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:39:31pm

re: #277 Girth

Exactly. Then it’s a vodka martini.

Not a martini.

martinis are for girlymen

279 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:39:50pm

re: #278 albusteve

Bond. James Bond.

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:40:09pm

re: #278 albusteve

martinis are for girlymen

Yea!! Try a Cosmo!! Wait, what?
//

281 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:40:39pm

re: #274 Girth

Martinis are made with gin, dammit! Why do some people get this so wrong?!

Maybe because they’ve been adulterating them with vodka? Personally Gin makes my poor tummy heave and I can’t drink it. I prefer Tequila, Cazadores anyone?

282 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:40:39pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

They also told him those pants don’t make his butt look big. Consider the source.

283 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:41:25pm

re: #276 karmic_inquisitor

So where should I buy my gold?

/

Fox news is starting to really sound like a genuine cult. I’m not exaggerating, a literal cult.

284 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:41:36pm

re: #281 Dragon_Lady

Maybe because they’ve been adulterating them with vodka? Personally Gin makes my poor tummy heave and I can’t drink it. I prefer Tequila, Cazadores anyone?

right here…room temp shooters

285 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:41:40pm

re: #264 karmic_inquisitor

More intrigue on Health Care …

[Link: spectator.org…]

Looks like the house will have to place blind faith in the Senate on reconciliation. they thought they had a parliamentary “hostage strategy” in place but the parliamentarian ruled “no”.

Now HOR members are in a squeeze - they will have to vote and many don’t want to. They want it to die on the table.

“The Senate parliamentarian…” is that a Republican?

286 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:41:43pm

re: #276 karmic_inquisitor

So where should I buy my gold?

/

I understand you are being sarcastic but gold and precious metals do provide a pretty decent hedge against inflation. I buy bullion for fun but there are a plethora of mutual funds, ETF’s and leveraged instruments out there that are available to any investor to hedge against potential inflation. I think Beck takes the “buy gold” mantra a bit too far but I have hedged my portfolio with precious metals and thus far I have been pleasantly rewarded.

287 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:41:54pm

re: #278 albusteve

martinis are for girlymen

Have a couple Tanqueray Ten martinis, up, extra-dry with bleu cheese stuffed olives and get back to me.

Full disclosure, I’m a scotch man. I just like a good martini every once in awhile.

288 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:42:56pm

Hmmmm… maybe this could revive Republican support for Health Care:

Nurses’ union: Care does not include sex

A union representing Dutch nurses will launch a national campaign Friday against demands for sexual services by patients who claim it should be part of their standard care.

The union, NU’91, is calling the campaign “I Draw The Line Here,” with an advert that features a young woman covering her face with crossed hands.

The union said in a statement Thursday that the campaign follows a complaint it had received in the last week from a 24-year-old woman who said a 42-year-old disabled man asked her to provide sexual services as part of his care at home.

The young woman witnessed some of the man’s other nurses offering him sexual gratification, the union said. When she refused to do the same, he tried to dismiss her on the grounds that she was unfit to provide care.

“This type of action is not part of the job responsibilities of carers and nurses,” NU’91 said.

I need to go reread my health insurance disclaimer…

289 simoom  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:42:56pm

re: #132 freetoken

Now what will the whiners do?

Obama gives away $1.4M Nobel prize

Wasn’t it Breitbart’s site, back in mid-January, that started the slimy narrative that the President might renege on his charity promise, and that keeping it would have been a violation of US Code (a completely false attempt to diminish his philanthropy)?

290 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:43:05pm

As the country becomes ever increasingly split into partisan political camps we see this more and more. No longer are our elected Representatives attempting to follow the will of their constituents. They strictly vote and mouth the views of whichever party flack has last whispered in their ear.

I’m hoping ever so much that 2010 is a massacre for the incumbents, perhaps 2012 as well. They think that they can lie to us and “spin” their soundbites with impunity, I’m hoping that we finally start to prove to them that some people really are watching their actions.

291 blueraven  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:43:10pm

re: #264 karmic_inquisitor

More intrigue on Health Care …

[Link: spectator.org…]

Looks like the house will have to place blind faith in the Senate on reconciliation. they thought they had a parliamentary “hostage strategy” in place but the parliamentarian ruled “no”.


Now HOR members are in a squeeze - they will have to vote and many don’t want to. They want it to die on the table.

I assumed this was the plan all along. Yes, they want assurance from the senate that they will vote for fixes in reconciliation, but I don’t really see a change here. Seems to me a lot of concern trolling by the republicans.

292 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:43:20pm

re: #287 Girth

Gin Marys are the bomb. Plus, you get a serving of vegetables after - oh - six of them.

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:43:44pm

Gotta run.

294 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:44:14pm

re: #284 albusteve

right here…room temp shooters

Your on! A bit of salt and a little lemon and we can get the party started, and don’t worry, RWC’ll be right there with us! He’s the only non-full blooded Hispanic to ever drink a table full of Hispanics under the table I know! :-)

295 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:44:52pm

re: #287 Girth

Eh, who am I kidding? I’ll drink about anything, especially if someone else is buying.

296 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:45:28pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Fox news is starting to really sound like a genuine cult. I’m not exaggerating, a literal cult.

An apocalyptic cult.

297 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:45:47pm

re: #295 Girth

Eh, who am I kidding? I’ll drink about anything, especially if someone else is buying.

I don’t drink anything stronger than pop.

Then again, you should see some of the shit my pop drinks.

298 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:45:51pm

re: #286 Jetpilot1101

I understand you are being sarcastic but gold and precious metals do provide a pretty decent hedge against inflation. I buy bullion for fun but there are a plethora of mutual funds, ETF’s and leveraged instruments out there that are available to any investor to hedge against potential inflation. I think Beck takes the “buy gold” mantra a bit too far but I have hedged my portfolio with precious metals and thus far I have been pleasantly rewarded.

a handful of Krugerrands has a nice feel to it

299 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:46:47pm

re: #287 Girth

Have a couple Tanqueray Ten martinis, up, extra-dry with bleu cheese stuffed olives and get back to me.

Full disclosure, I’m a scotch man. I just like a good martini every once in awhile.

I drink for effect….I don’t drink olives

300 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:47:36pm

re: #298 albusteve

a handful of Krugerrands has a nice feel to it

I personally like 10 oz. silver bars but I’m attracted to volatility and silver is like gold on steroids.

301 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:47:40pm

re: #299 albusteve

I drink for effect…I don’t drink olives

I agree, olives are for choking on, not drinking or eating for that matter!

302 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:47:53pm

I guess we can call Mitt out for changing positions in order to do well in the primaries. But it is also true that we could do the same with almost ALL politicians. Kerry did it, Clinton did it, and Obama did it. McCain did it too. So have other Republicans and Democrats. This behavior is characteristic of all politicians with national aspirations who expect to appeal to multiple constituencies. So if we want to beat up Romney for doing it, we need to at least be fair and say “they all do it.” Is it something to be admired? No. Is it something to be expected? Yes.

303 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:48:03pm

re: #288 freetoken

See - if Nancy Pelosi had only added “tickle therapy by male nurses in speedos” as a covered therapy for stressed out legislators, the whole Eric Massa mess could have been avoided.

304 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:48:19pm

re: #287 Girth

Have a couple Tanqueray Ten martinis, up, extra-dry with bleu cheese stuffed olives and get back to me.

Full disclosure, I’m a scotch man. I just like a good martini every once in awhile.

scotch + gin = surely we can work the rest of this semantic “government” crap out…

305 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:48:57pm

re: #300 Jetpilot1101

I personally like 10 oz. silver bars but I’m attracted to volatility and silver is like gold on steroids.

two words
Bunky Hunt

306 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:49:34pm

Has there been a politician alive that has said what they meant and meant what they said…ever?

307 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:49:56pm

re: #306 Oh no…Sand People!

Has there been a politician alive that has said what they meant and meant what they said…ever?

Does Churchill count?

308 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:50:02pm

re: #290 ausador

As the country becomes ever increasingly split into partisan political camps we see this more and more. No longer are our elected Representatives attempting to follow the will of their constituents. They strictly vote and mouth the views of whichever party flack has last whispered in their ear.

I’m hoping ever so much that 2010 is a massacre for the incumbents, perhaps 2012 as well. They think that they can lie to us and “spin” their soundbites with impunity, I’m hoping that we finally start to prove to them that some people really are watching their actions.

I would have to say that, if there was ever a time for a groundswell against incumbents, it is now.

Sadly, though, I suspect we’ll see the usual 95%+ return rate this fall.

309 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:50:22pm

re: #306 Oh no…Sand People!

Has there been a politician alive that has said what they meant and meant what they said…ever?

This is not a defense of Romney, this is my insanity in politics taking over…and an honest question. I am tired of them ALL!

310 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:50:55pm

re: #306 Oh no…Sand People!

Has there been a politician alive that has said what they meant and meant what they said…ever?

Maybe in a previous life… but in this crop? Not bloody likely!

311 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:51:13pm

re: #306 Oh no…Sand People!

Has there been a politician alive that has said what they meant and meant what they said…ever?

I don’t know…Palin might actually be stupid enough to buy the shit the she shovels.

312 garhighway  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:51:57pm

re: #302 _RememberTonyC

I guess we can call Mitt out for changing positions in order to do well in the primaries. But it is also true that we could do the same with almost ALL politicians. Kerry did it, Clinton did it, and Obama did it. McCain did it too. So have other Republicans and Democrats. This behavior is characteristic of all politicians with national aspirations who expect to appeal to multiple constituencies. So if we want to beat up Romney for doing it, we need to at least be fair and say “they all do it.” Is it something to be admired? No. Is it something to be expected? Yes.

I would respectfully suggest that a comparison of Romney as Gov of Mass vs Romney as GOP Presidential candidate would show a lot more ideological movement than a similar comparison of Obama the Senator vs Obama the Presidential candidate.

The “they all do it” meme is generally intended to defend the worst actors, and I don’t think it is generally true to the extent of Romney. His flip-flop was broad and deep.

313 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:53:16pm

re: #307 Aceofwhat?

re: #310 Dragon_Lady

re: #311 Girth

To be honest, the first politician that I know would do what they said would win my vote…just so I knew what to expect…even if it was, “I am taxing you 100% and building giant communes.”

At this point of the ragged ‘reach aroundathon’…I would take it.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:53:48pm

re: #256 The Sanity Inspector

Sidebar: Remember that ridiculous stunt from several years ago? Dateline was doing a story on anti-Muslim bigotry in America, and decided to get some telegenic hate on film by sending people in Islamic garb to a NASCAR event. Because, like, if you’re a self-impressed, caped-crusading for social justice MSM hairdo, where else would you go to look for bigotry? Certainly not to your own editorial offices, where the silly scheme was hatched. Nobody at the Martinsville race bothered the plants, and I don’t know if they even aired it.

I assume the people at the NASCAR event were pleased to see that Muslims were developing an interest in stock car racing.

(Please note: any time you desperately want Americans to exhibit awful xenophobic manners, they will go into their politest, most barn-raisin’ mode. Works every time.)

315 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:53:52pm

re: #309 Oh no…Sand People!

This is not a defense of Romney, this is my insanity in politics taking over…and an honest question. I am tired of them ALL!

I’m with you there.

316 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:53:57pm

re: #302 _RememberTonyC

He’s directly lying about changing positions. And the reason he gives totally sucks for it.

No, you don’t have to call out every asshole when you spot one asshole. You can just say, “Look, that dude’s being an asshole.”

317 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:54:39pm

ACORN…it’s getting its funding back.

318 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:54:57pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Fox news is starting to really sound like a genuine cult. I’m not exaggerating, a literal cult.

Killgore -

that reminds me. Do you remember when CNN was new back in the 80s before the Gulf War made them important?

They used to have some whacked out commercials. I remember the books and tapes that would get sold on “the coming Armageddon” as well as all the Krugerrand on Monex commodity shills. Not drawing a comparison, per se, just wondering if anyone else remembers that.

319 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:55:45pm

re: #311 Girth

I don’t know…Palin might actually be stupid enough to buy the shit the she shovels.

She’ll have a good defense if/when it all comes back to haunt her…”I didn’t understand what I was being told to say!”

320 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:56:22pm

Paul Tsongas, IIRC, promised an honest campaign and promised tax increases if elected president. He lost.

321 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:56:23pm

re: #319 darthstar

She’ll have a good defense if/when it all comes back to haunt her…“I didn’t understand what I was being told to say!”

Now that I can believe…

322 Soap_Man  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:56:37pm

re: #302 _RememberTonyC

I guess we can call Mitt out for changing positions in order to do well in the primaries. But it is also true that we could do the same with almost ALL politicians. Kerry did it, Clinton did it, and Obama did it. McCain did it too. So have other Republicans and Democrats. This behavior is characteristic of all politicians with national aspirations who expect to appeal to multiple constituencies. So if we want to beat up Romney for doing it, we need to at least be fair and say “they all do it.” Is it something to be admired? No. Is it something to be expected? Yes.

The best option is to call people out specifically when they do it. It serves no purpose to just say “well, he is just being a politician. They all do it.”

Keep the heat up. When a Dem does it, call him/her out. When a GOPer does it, call him/her. But every time we do so, I don’t think we need to put in the “it’s just politics” qualifier.

323 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:56:45pm

re: #305 albusteve

two words
Bunky Hunt

Never buy paper. Make sure it clinks.

324 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:57:41pm

re: #318 karmic_inquisitor

Killgore -

that reminds me. Do you remember when CNN was new back in the 80s before the Gulf War made them important?

They used to have some whacked out commercials. I remember the books and tapes that would get sold on “the coming Armageddon” as well as all the Krugerrand on Monex commodity shills. Not drawing a comparison, per se, just wondering if anyone else remembers that.

I don’t remember much about CNN before Gulf War I other that it was pretty dull. Those Dianetics scientology were all over the place in those days. Probably lots of bogus diet pills back then too.

325 simoom  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:58:31pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

“The Senate parliamentarian…” is that a Republican?

The Senate parliamentarian is a non-partisan employee of the Senate who serves at the pleasure of the Senate Majority Leader. The current Senate parliamentarian has held the position since back when they Republicans controlled the Senate. As I recall, they fired his two predecessors because they didn’t like their reconciliation “Byrd rule” parliamentary rulings.

326 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:58:31pm

re: #320 karmic_inquisitor

Tsongas is my all-time favorite presidential candidate.

327 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:58:32pm

It’s not all bitter partisanship as the House Votes Unanimously to Impeach Federal Judge.

328 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:59:17pm

re: #323 Jetpilot1101

Never buy paper. Make sure it clinks.

exactly…I did

329 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 1:59:17pm

re: #306 Oh no…Sand People!

Has there been a politician alive that has said what they meant and meant what they said…ever?

Sure, probably one that lost.

330 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:00:09pm

re: #328 albusteve

exactly…I did

Ouch. OT: mind if I send you an email?

331 garhighway  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:00:22pm

re: #322 Soap_Man

The best option is to call people out specifically when they do it. It serves no purpose to just say “well, he is just being a politician. They all do it.”

Keep the heat up. When a Dem does it, call him/her out. When a GOPer does it, call him/her. But every time we do so, I don’t think we need to put in the “it’s just politics” qualifier.

As an aside, it seemed pretty obvious to me that Hilary backed the Iraq war specifically because she was concerned about being portrayed as “too soft” on National Security issues when she ran for President. It was therefore ironic that that one vote probably cost her the nomination. Had she voted with her heart, she wins. Instead, she got caught up with political calculus and outsmarted herself.

Life is funny.

332 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:00:43pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

I don’t remember much about CNN before Gulf War I other that it was pretty dull. Those Dianetics scientology were all over the place in those days. Probably lots of bogus diet pills back then too.

That’s right! Dexatrim! And the volcanoes! How could I forget?

Had a roommate who formed a band called “M.O.D.” - “Mormons On Dexatrim”.

They played one gig and then broke up. Like 99.9% of all bands.

333 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:00:58pm

re: #330 Jetpilot1101

Ouch. OT: mind if I send you an email?

no problem

334 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:00:59pm

re: #327 SixDegrees

It’s not all bitter partisanship as the House Votes Unanimously to Impeach Federal Judge.

EPIC FLOUNCE

335 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:01:27pm

More evidence Obama hates white people:

Obama gives $1.4 million Nobel prize to 10 charities

Following is a breakdown of Obama’s donations:
- $250,000 to Fisher House, a national nonprofit organization providing accommodation for families of patients receiving medical care at military and Department of Veterans Affairs medical centers.
- $200,000 to the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund, which was set up in the aftermath of the Haitian earthquake to help survivors.
- $125,000 to College Summit, a national nonprofit organization to increase college enrollment rates.
- $125,000 to the Posse Foundation, which awards scholarships to promising public high school students.
- $125,000 to the United Negro College Fund.
- $125,000 to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund.
— $125,000 to the American Indian College Fund.
- $125,000 to the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation.
- $100,000 to AfriCare, which promotes health, food security and access to water primarily in Africa.
- $100,000 to the Central Asia Institute, which education and literacy, especially for girls, in remote regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan.


/just wait for it…

336 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:01:34pm

re: #327 SixDegrees

I assume that means no severance pay, correct? Also, he could not pull up his tent stakes and legally practice law elsewhere?

“You want fries with that?”

337 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:02:06pm

re: #326 Obdicut

Tsongas is my all-time favorite presidential candidate.

The bow tie did him in from the start. Good guy, though.

338 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:02:19pm
339 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:02:35pm

re: #312 garhighway

I would respectfully suggest that a comparison of Romney as Gov of Mass vs Romney as GOP Presidential candidate would show a lot more ideological movement than a similar comparison of Obama the Senator vs Obama the Presidential candidate.

The “they all do it” meme is generally intended to defend the worst actors, and I don’t think it is generally true to the extent of Romney. His flip-flop was broad and deep.

In that case, I suppose they are ALL bad actors ….. politicians have “flip flop” in their DNA. It stems from having the need to be loved by everyone. It’s impossible, but they try.

340 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:02:35pm

re: #333 albusteve

no problem

Thanks, as soon as your name turns blue I’ll shoot you a note.

341 Slap  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:12pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

IIRC, back during the first Gulf War, CNN was often looked upon by the general left as being a shill for the Administration, and (I’m negotiating the Swiss cheese of my brain, so it’s fuzzy) I’m almost certain they used the “fair and balanced” description of themselves (not as a logo or an editorial policy, just to set themselves apart from the MSM). (I need to dig out my Real FZ Book, I’m almost certain he referred to it….)

But, they were virtually the only game in the 24-hour news town in those days….Funny how things change, innit?

342 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:34pm

re: #335 freetoken

Clearly he hates the white culture…
///

343 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:42pm

re: #340 Jetpilot1101

Thanks, as soon as your name turns blue I’ll shoot you a note.

it won’t turn blue…what’s up with that?….how do you do it again?

344 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:50pm

re: #336 theheat

I assume that means no severance pay, correct? Also, he could not pull up his tent stakes and legally practice law elsewhere?

“You want fries with that?”

Not sure, exactly. Impeachment most likely skuttles any Federal benefits like pensions. Law licenses, on the other hand, are granted by individual states; it isn’t up to Congress whether he can practice law or not, no matter how the trial turns out.

345 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:52pm

re: #308 SixDegrees

I would have to say that, if there was ever a time for a groundswell against incumbents, it is now.

Sadly, though, I suspect we’ll see the usual 95%+ return rate this fall.

Well of course we know how it really is. All of those “other” Senators and Congressmen who pad their budgets, add pork to the Federal budget, and vote strictly upon party lines are bad.

But MY local Senator or Congressman brings home billions in earmarks and other special funding for local projects. Why would I vote against him even though the country is rapidly going bankrupt and it is our own tax dollars that eventually have to pay for all of that “free” spending?

/There must be some way to tie NIMBY to this issue too?

346 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:55pm

re: #320 karmic_inquisitor

Paul Tsongas, IIRC, promised an honest campaign and promised tax increases if elected president. He lost.

Yeah, that was a shit deal, and Al Franken didn’t help by mocking the guy. When he announced his cancer had returned after he’d dropped out I thought that was all the more reason to vote for him. A US President already staring death in the face would probably find it much easier to move beyond politics and just get shit done.

347 Soap_Man  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:03:57pm

re: #331 garhighway

As an aside, it seemed pretty obvious to me that Hilary backed the Iraq war specifically because she was concerned about being portrayed as “too soft” on National Security issues when she ran for President. It was therefore ironic that that one vote probably cost her the nomination. Had she voted with her heart, she wins. Instead, she got caught up with political calculus and outsmarted herself.

Life is funny.

You are absolutely correct. If she voted against the war, we would be using this thread to discuss whether or not Romney could beat President Clinton in 2012.

348 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:04:21pm

re: #335 freetoken

More evidence Obama hates white people:

Obama gives $1.4 million Nobel prize to 10 charities

/just wait for it…

He’s giving money to something with Bush’s hand in it… what is he up to?
/

349 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:04:35pm

re: #337 karmic_inquisitor

The bow tie did him in from the start. Good guy, though.

No, that was Paul Simon.

350 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:04:48pm

re: #343 albusteve

Click the “show email” box next to your name when you type a comment.

351 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:05:17pm

Yet more evidence Obama hates white people:

CollegeSummit.org is a major recepient. Just look at the young people in those photos!

The other big recipient? The Posse Foundation. Just look at those children in the photos!

OBAMA HATES WHITE PEOPLE!

Just.wait.for.it….

352 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:05:46pm

re: #344 SixDegrees

I think any state’s bar won’t license an attorney with known ethics violations. But I’m not sure.

353 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:05:55pm

re: #346 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, that was a shit deal, and Al Franken didn’t help by mocking the guy. When he announced his cancer had returned after he’d dropped out I thought that was all the more reason to vote for him. A US President already staring death in the face would probably find it much easier to move beyond politics and just get shit done.

Depends on who he taps for VP….*cough*….

354 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:06:52pm

re: #345 ausador

Well of course we know how it really is. All of those “other” Senators and Congressmen who pad their budgets, add pork to the Federal budget, and vote strictly upon party lines are bad.

But MY local Senator or Congressman brings home billions in earmarks and other special funding for local projects. Why would I vote against him even though the country is rapidly going bankrupt and it is our own tax dollars that eventually have to pay for all of that “free” spending?

/There must be some way to tie NIMBY to this issue too?

Any incumbent that I get to vote for or against has a steeper climb ahead of them if they want my vote. It generally won’t be sufficient reason by itself for me to cast a “nay” vote, but I’m predisposed to do so.

355 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:07:14pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

“The Senate parliamentarian…” is that a Republican?

Sorry Walter - didn’t see your reply. Non partisan (supposedly, as simoom’s response implies).

The House Parliamentarian is also working on a scheme for a rule change that will allow Dems to simply not vote on the Senate bill altogether but consider it “passed” if they pass some other piece of legislation.

Like I said - many Dems in the House want to avoid a vote altogether. Political root canal.

356 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:07:42pm

re: #352 theheat

I think any state’s bar won’t license an attorney with known ethics violations. But I’m not sure.

Could very well be true. It’s just not a decision Congress gets to weigh in on directly.

357 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:09:15pm

presto!

358 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:09:35pm

re: #349 The Sanity Inspector

No, that was Paul Simon.

You are right!

Sorry about that. Need to refresh on the old politicians. Like looking through an old year book - a bit depressing.

Simon was a good guy too.

359 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:09:40pm

re: #322 Soap_Man

The best option is to call people out specifically when they do it. It serves no purpose to just say “well, he is just being a politician. They all do it.”

Keep the heat up. When a Dem does it, call him/her out. When a GOPer does it, call him/her. But every time we do so, I don’t think we need to put in the “it’s just politics” qualifier.


Maybe it’s just my imagination, but the heat has been turned up pretty high on Romney. And the atmosphere here is to pretty much magnify ANY transgression by GOP types, while frequently excusing those from the other side. I am not criticizing our host, whom I admire a great deal. But it seems like it’s been awhile since we’ve seen a Charlie Rangel thread. And while the recent Massa threads did represent some bashing of a Democrat, I feel the real crime he was bashed for was his dalliance with a right winger like glenn beck. However, LGF remains my favorite cyber place and this is not a flounce.

360 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:10:23pm

re: #355 karmic_inquisitor

Sorry Walter - didn’t see your reply. Non partisan (supposedly, as simoom’s response implies).

The House Parliamentarian is also working on a scheme for a rule change that will allow Dems to simply not vote on the Senate bill altogether but consider it “passed” if they pass some other piece of legislation.

Like I said - many Dems in the House want to avoid a vote altogether. Political root canal.

Similar to their procedure of automatically giving themselves raises unless they explicitly vote against the increase. The ultimate in slime.

361 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:10:46pm

re: #357 albusteve

presto!

Chango?

362 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:10:50pm

Breaking -

Harry Reid’s wife and daughter in car accident. in hospital.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

363 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:11:05pm

re: #259 Aceofwhat?

yeah, i updinged you anyway just for being a gin kind of person. Vodka drinkers frighten and confuse me.

Scotch drinkers will intellectualize your ear off. :)

364 Soap_Man  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:11:20pm

re: #359 _RememberTonyC

Maybe it’s just my imagination, but the heat has been turned up pretty high on Romney. And the atmosphere here is to pretty much magnify ANY transgression by GOP types, while frequently excusing those from the other side. I am not criticizing our host, whom I admire a great deal. But it seems like it’s been awhile since we’ve seen a Charlie Rangel thread. And while the recent Massa threads did represent some bashing of a Democrat, I feel the real crime he was bashed for was his dalliance with a right winger like glenn beck. However, LGF remains my favorite cyber place and this is not a flounce.

Fair enough.

365 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:11:43pm

re: #361 SixDegrees

Chango?

HopeO-ChangeO!

366 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:11:54pm

re: #357 albusteve

presto!

Or pesto, with some linguine and a nice garlic tomato sauce. Perhaps some garlic bread and a nice caesar salad on the side.

367 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:02pm

re: #363 eclectic infidel

Scotch drinkers will intellectualize your ear off. :)

Scots drinkers will drink anything.

368 simoom  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:28pm

re: #335 freetoken

More evidence Obama hates white people:

Obama gives $1.4 million Nobel prize to 10 charities

/just wait for it…

A comment from the same story at ABC News:
blogs.abcnews.com

Only minority scholarship funds need apply. Remember Louis Gates Jr? He gets a share through one of the groups getting money. White kids aren’t worthy apparently. You think that the President of All the People would be just a little more sensitive about these things. Bush would have been called a racist by every news media outlet in the country, the race industry, and the Democrats for similar selections going strictly to white groups.

Posted by: Mad Jayhawk %P% Mar 11, 2010 4:43:19 PM
369 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:36pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or pesto, with some linguine and a nice garlic tomato sauce. Perhaps some garlic bread and a nice caesar salad on the side.

Food thread!

370 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:44pm

re: #362 karmic_inquisitor

Rear-ended, hope the injuries are minor.

371 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:46pm

re: #367 Cato the Elder

Scots drinkers will drink anything.

generally, I do

372 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:49pm
373 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:12:49pm

re: #362 karmic_inquisitor

Breaking -

Harry Reid’s wife and daughter in car accident. in hospital.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com…]

Hope they are OK…

374 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:13:15pm

re: #369 SixDegrees

Food thread!

No spam, please!

375 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:13:51pm

re: #359 _RememberTonyC

I disagree. I don’t think Charles is magnifying GOP transgressions at all.

376 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:13:55pm

re: #203 Dragon_Lady

FL? As far as I know he’s at work in D.T. L.A. Hey RWC you out there? You fly to FL without tellin me? Huh?
Seriously, no he’s at work. How the heck are you doin? Probably better than me! I’m blowin off a job offer tomorrow. I don’t want to work for a Sherman Tank with the subtly of a Howitzer.

You are right. Life is too short for that.

377 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:14:32pm

re: #353 Girth

Depends on who he taps for VP…*cough*…

I think David Hackworth would have made an interesting and intimidating VP.

378 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:14:45pm

I’ve got a confession to make. As dissatisfied as I am with the state of politics, I would never consider giving up my career, cashing out my investments, marketing myself to the community, getting elected, and attempting to change things that way. I’d much rather vote. Vote, and carp.

379 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:14:52pm

re: #375 Obdicut

I disagree. I don’t think Charles is magnifying GOP transgressions at all.

It’s a free country, Obdi. I disagree with you on this one.

380 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:15:14pm

re: #373 HoosierHoops

Hoops! When do the NCAA brackets come out? Do you do a LGF group on CBSSportsline.com? I’d be into it.

381 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:15:29pm

re: #374 Cato the Elder

No spam, please!

“nogoat” was my dad’s favorite expression when we foraged for food in Jamaica…good stuff too

382 theheat  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:15:52pm

re: #372 MandyManners

I think if you’ve been an attorney, then went on the be a judge, you can’t go back to being an attorney if you were thrown out as a judge for ethics or conduct violations. If you were not an attorney, got in trouble, then later passed the bar, I don’t think it’s as hard and fast.

Mr. Heat would know this. “Katie, can I call one of my lifelines?”
//

383 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:15:55pm

re: #335 freetoken

More evidence Obama hates white people:

Obama gives $1.4 million Nobel prize to 10 charities

/just wait for it…

I am waiting with bated breath for Shrieks Geller to spin how this is a bad thing:

$100,000 to the Central Asia Institute, which education and literacy, especially for girls, in remote regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

384 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:16:24pm

re: #368 simoom

Not only that, but Gates is associated with the only group that includes white people, the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation.

As the AP story spreads throughout the day, we ought to see some ugly popping up.

385 Professor Chaos  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:17:02pm

re: #377 goddamnedfrank

I think David Hackworth would have made an interesting and intimidating VP.

I remember that guy…yeah, seemed just a little bit crazy but in a good way…I liked him.

386 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:18:02pm

re: #375 Obdicut

I disagree. I don’t think Charles is magnifying GOP transgressions at all.

I should clarify that …. I don’t think Charles is wrong to highlight GOP transgressions. But seeing a bit more highlighting of Dem transgressions would also be good. But I am not telling our host to do it because I say so. It’s Charles’ sandbox and I’m happy to be invited to play in it.

387 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:18:11pm

re: #380 Stanley Sea

Hoops! When do the NCAA brackets come out? Do you do a LGF group on CBSSportsline.com? I’d be into it.

Sunday at 6pm iir. That is a great idea for LGF brackets.. I’ll set it up sunday night or monday..

388 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:18:51pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

Sunday at 6pm iir. That is a great idea for LGF brackets.. I’ll set it up sunday night or monday..

Yeah!!!!! Awaiting directions.

389 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:19:38pm

re: #367 Cato the Elder

Scots drinkers will drink anything.

The circle in which I associate only consumes scotch - either scotch & water, or a single malt served neat. Occasionally, we’ll end the social gathering with a single malt from a foreign country, just for the heck of it. Japanese single malt is incredible - an initial bite, followed by an almost crisp smoothness that ends with almost no flavor at all. It is, however, on the expensive side.

390 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:19:46pm

So long folks …….. have a great night!

391 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:20:01pm

re: #388 Stanley Sea

Yeah!!! Awaiting directions.

how ‘bout dem Lobo’s!….

392 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:20:22pm

re: #386 _RememberTonyC

You did say that he, or LGF, was ‘magnifying’ them, and Democratic transgressions were being excused.

And the atmosphere here is to pretty much magnify ANY transgression by GOP types, while frequently excusing those from the other side.

Could you give an example of a transgression by a Democrat you feel has been excused?

393 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:20:49pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

Sunday at 6pm iir. That is a great idea for LGF brackets.. I’ll set it up sunday night or monday..

My pick…same every year. Maryland. Go Terps!
Why do I pick Maryland every year even though I’ve never been there? Well, the answer should be obvious…

Youtube Video

394 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:20:52pm

The Spirit of Steampunk

395 albusteve  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:22:10pm

re: #392 Obdicut

You did say that he, or LGF, was ‘magnifying’ them, and Democratic transgressions were being excused.

Could you give an example of a transgression by a Democrat you feel has been excused?

I can…BO cutting off the investigation funds into Bill Richardson’s pay to play pipeline…why would BO do that?

396 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:23:18pm

OT: Beck is about to do a segment of Father Coughlin and explain why he is nothing like him.

397 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:23:29pm

re: #394 The Sanity Inspector

The Spirit of Steampunk

That is Abe getting ready to go all Terminator on the asses of the folks at Douche who stole his Gettysburg Address for their “about” page.

398 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:24:38pm

re: #388 Stanley Sea

Yeah!!! Awaiting directions.


I do ok in brackets but have never once picked the winner in my life..
Last year at this time I was BBQ’ing out on the porch when a cardinal landed next to me… I thought it was a sign from God so I picked the Louisville Cardinals.. They lost..
So either God doesn’t like me so much or neither of us understand College hoops that well…
/

399 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:24:53pm

re: #395 albusteve

And who on LGF has ‘excused’ that?

400 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:24:55pm

re: #386 _RememberTonyC

It’s hard out there for a partisan. I remember cringing through the ineptitude of the Democrats in the early 2000’s. Talking about it was unpleasant. I feel for ya, dude.

401 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:25:42pm

re: #87 windsagio

I think the problem is that you don’t really understand the ‘how and why’ of it, but would rather blame it on ‘liberal gerrymandering and unions’. The actual situation, unsurprisingly, is far more complex.

So doubling the state budget in 10 years, with the majority of that money going to SEIU employees, has nothing to do with the fact that CA is flat-busted broke? What happened isn’t complex at all.

402 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:25:47pm

Colbert Report - Survival Seed Bank

403 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:26:13pm

Reid’s wife, daughter in hospital after accident

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s wife and daughter were hospitalized Thursday after they were involved in a car accident, according to Reid’s office.

The ugly could be breached on this one too.

404 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:28:08pm

re: #396 bratwurst

OT: Beck is about to do a segment of Father Coughlin and explain why he is nothing like him.

Let me guess: He’s not a priest.

405 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:29:08pm

Just noticed the incredibly bad syntax in the first sentence of the first Romney quote above:

As a nation we recognize the right of all people to believe as they want, and not to impose our beliefs on other people [their right] not to have other people’s beliefs imposed on them.

FTFY, dude.

Apparently magic underwear does not protect against mushy thinking.

406 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:30:01pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

I do ok in brackets but have never once picked the winner in my life..
Last year at this time I was BBQ’ing out on the porch when a cardinal landed next to me… I thought it was a sign from God so I picked the Louisville Cardinals.. They lost..
So either God doesn’t like me so much or neither of us understand College hoops that well…
/

Well I got it right the years Florida won. Think I ended up at like 823 on the CBS bracket contest. Out of millions - I was proud!

2 years ago I was in first place after round 3 or something on my local sports station bracket. I fricken screen saved the rankings and sent it to everyone I knew. I quickly fell after the next round.

407 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:31:23pm

re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist

Let me guess: He’s not a priest.

It comes down to the fact that Beck is not anti-Semitic and hates the concept of “social justice”. That is about it.

408 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:32:31pm

re: #389 eclectic infidel

The circle in which I associate only consumes scotch - either scotch & water, or a single malt served neat. Occasionally, we’ll end the social gathering with a single malt from a foreign country, just for the heck of it. Japanese single malt is incredible - an initial bite, followed by an almost crisp smoothness that ends with almost no flavor at all. It is, however, on the expensive side.

I was actually talking about Scots and what they’ll drink, not about people who drink scotch. But thanks for the tip - filed for future reference.

409 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:33:01pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

Colbert Report - Survival Seed Bank

Was it worth waiting a day for the Stewart/Colbert coverage of the Massa/Beck debacle or what!

410 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:34:49pm

re: #406 Stanley Sea

Well I got it right the years Florida won. Think I ended up at like 823 on the CBS bracket contest. Out of millions - I was proud!

2 years ago I was in first place after round 3 or something on my local sports station bracket. I fricken screen saved the rankings and sent it to everyone I knew. I quickly fell after the next round.

I’ve got to stop picking upsets after the first weekend… I always thing there is a George Mason every year..And it just doesn’t happen all the time…

411 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:35:00pm

re: #401 RogueOne

The majority of the California budget goes to SEIU employees? What?

412 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:35:36pm

re: #239 windsagio

Oh, he’s a psycho. No wonder I thought he was cute./

413 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:35:43pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

*smacks own head* I know it’s no big deal in the greater picture, but I drive myself nutty when I misinterpret things like this from time to time.

414 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:35:55pm

re: #410 HoosierHoops

I’ve got to stop picking upsets after the first weekend… I always thing there is a George Mason every year..And it just doesn’t happen all the time…

I wish it would happen every year though. Remember the Gators beat them? Talk about a bittersweet victory.

415 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:36:23pm

Speaking of which:

Teachers union tops list of state political spenders
latimesblogs.latimes.com

and what happens when the governator tries to cut their pay by 2% what happened? This:

SEIU may be linked to ultimatum on withholding stimulus funds
articles.latimes.com


SACRAMENTO — Officials in the governor’s office say a politically powerful union may have had inappropriate influence over the Obama administration’s decision to withhold billions of dollars in federal stimulus money from California if the state does not reverse a scheduled wage cut for the labor group’s workers.

add in my previous comment about the state budget doubling in 10 years and someone explain to me again how it’s an incredibly difficult situation to understand.

416 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:37:32pm

And now to PROVE he is nothing like Father Coughlin, Beck is resuming his character assassination of FDR. You couldn’t make this up, folks.

417 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:38:02pm

re: #415 RogueOne

Rogue, seriously.

Do you know how the California budget works?

dof.ca.gov

The Californian government’s own statement on the budget:

The budget process for California defies a simple concise definition

418 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #415 RogueOne

That’s much more likely the prison guards union, Rogue. They’re enormously powerful, perhaps the most powerful in the state.

legacy.signonsandiego.com

419 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:40:25pm

re: #396 bratwurst

OT: Beck is about to do a segment of Father Coughlin and explain why he is nothing like him.

Coughlin didn’t have ads every 5 minutes telling his listeners to buy gold.

420 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:40:47pm

I hope posting to “Gawker” is ok. Please delete if not.
Scott Brown bombshell:gawker.com

421 windsagio  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:40:59pm

re: #412 prairiefire

Well you know how it is, chicks love the bad guy :p

422 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:41:10pm

re: #416 bratwurst

And now to PROVE he is nothing like Father Coughlin, Beck is resuming his character assassination of FDR. You couldn’t make this up, folks.

The fucker is claiming one of our greatest and most revered President in American History of being a commie..

423 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:42:07pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

Seriously, folks, not even a tepid chuckle for my #405?

DOES NO ONE CARE WHAT’S HAPPENED TO SYNTAX IN THIS COUNTRY!!!1!? IS IT REALLY ALL JUST ABOUT SIN TAX???1!

424 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:42:09pm

re: #421 windsagio

I had to beak myself of a bad habit and realize the nice, funny guy was the best guy.

425 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:42:17pm

re: #420 prairiefire

Honestly, it sounds more like crazy stalker lady than bombshell to me.

The case then took a strange turn. Two days after the lawsuit was filed, Jennifer Firth’s lawyer, Harvey Schwartz, filed a motion to withdraw as her counsel, saying that “to the best of [Schwartz’s] knowledge, information and belief, the above allegations [by Firth] are not supported by ‘good grounds.’” The next day, Jennifer Firth withdrew her suit. It was dismissed with prejudice, which means it can never be re-filed.

426 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:42:20pm

re: #422 HoosierHoops

The fucker is claiming one of our greatest and most revered President in American History of being a commie..

Well, he did let the Japs bomb Pearl Harbor just to drag us into the commie war in Europe.

///

427 freetoken  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:42:36pm

re: #420 prairiefire

I seem to remember reading about this in a couple of places. Given it was dismissed so quickly and neither party seemed interested in it, I sort of assumed it was a non-story.

428 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:42:42pm
429 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:43:07pm

re: #428 MandyManners

Heh. Beat you.

430 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:43:40pm

re: #417 Obdicut

Rogue, seriously.

Do you know how the California budget works?

[Link: www.dof.ca.gov…]

The Californian government’s own statement on the budget:

OK, I guess I can take the government that doubled spending in 10 years, can’t fire any teachers or reduce anyones pay, can’t close parks, can’t do anything about their retirement fund, and spends it’s time begging the rest of the country to pay their way out for them at their word, It’s difficult.

Understanding what happened isn’t at all difficult. They overspent and the public employees unions are not going to give up a dime. It’s basic math for crying out loud.

431 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:43:49pm

re: #427 freetoken

re: #425 Obdicut

Well, then it must be gossip. Sorry for posting!

432 Bob Levin  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:44:31pm

re: #57 jamesfirecat

Since the New Deal the Democrats have always had the bigger of the two tents. Now I can’t remember exactly when this started, might have been after the loss in the 1968 or 1972 Presidential election, but this is when the Democrats began an ideological purge. The Republicans did this leading up to Reagan’s first victory in 1980.

The genuine nastiness began, I believe, with Lee Atwater’s rise to power.

I hear what you’re saying about Pelosi to Specter, but then you’ve got the Joe Lieberman fly in that ointment.

433 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:46:12pm

re: #430 RogueOne

I’m asking you to back up your claim that half of the budget goes to SEIU employees. Can you do that?

I am well aware of the problems with the unionized employees— a lot of them are because we skated for a long time with unfunded pensions, et al.

However, they are a symptom, and not a cause. They are a symptom of the incredibly screwed state of California politics.

434 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:46:47pm

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Coughlin didn’t have ads every 5 minutes telling his listeners to buy gold.

The Father also did not appear to have comically large ear lobes and a hairdresser who hated him.

/

435 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:46:48pm

re: #428 MandyManners

Two days after the lawsuit was filed, Jennifer Firth’s lawyer, Harvey Schwartz, filed a motion to withdraw as her counsel, saying that “to the best of [Schwartz’s] knowledge, information and belief, the above allegations [by Firth] are not supported by ‘good grounds.’” The next day, Jennifer Firth withdrew her suit. It was dismissed with prejudice,…

Somebody got to her. Probably a naked Cheney or someone like that… poked a finger into her chest and told her to back off.

436 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:47:39pm

re: #431 prairiefire

Nothing wrong with posting it.

I wonder if this will convince TonyC that not all GOP ‘transgressions” get magnified around here?

437 Kragar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:47:53pm

re: #434 bratwurst

The Father also did not appear to have comically large ear lobes and a hairdresser who hated him.

/

Coughlin also not the Zen Master of Dickjitsu that Glenn Beck is.

438 darthstar  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:48:23pm

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Somebody got to her. Probably a naked Cheney or someone like that… poked a finger into her chest and told her to back off.

What’s scarier? A naked, angry Rahm Emmanuel approaching you in the shower or a naked, angry Liz Cheney?

439 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:49:00pm

re: #433 Obdicut

I’m asking you to back up your claim that half of the budget goes to SEIU employees. Can you do that?

I am well aware of the problems with the unionized employees— a lot of them are because we skated for a long time with unfunded pensions, et al.

However, they are a symptom, and not a cause. They are a symptom of the incredibly screwed state of California politics.

That’s not what I said. What I said was they doubled their spending in 10 years and half of that money went to state employees….unions. That isn’t a symptom, it’s a cause. CA is in a hole of their own making because they spent money they didn’t have. If anyone wants to know what the rest of this country is going to look like financially in 10 years all they have to do is look at CA.

440 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:49:09pm

re: #438 darthstar

What’s scarier? A naked, angry Rahm Emmanuel approaching you in the shower or a naked, angry Liz Cheney?

Who’s Liz? I was talking about Dick.

441 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:49:14pm

re: #438 darthstar

I hate you.

442 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:50:11pm

re: #438 darthstar

What’s scarier? A naked, angry Rahm Emmanuel approaching you in the shower or a naked, angry Liz Cheney?

Liz Cheney would have broken Rahms finger if he walked up and poked her in the chest.

443 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:50:15pm

re: #376 prairiefire

You are right. Life is too short for that.

Thank you for the support, let me tell you I was a bit of a mess when I got home. She really shook me with the “If you don’t bring it, I will fire you in a heart beat!” line. Never have I ever had a job interview when a perspective boss put her expectations of my failure in my face! RWC thinks it was a “stress interview”. I don’t care what it was, you don’t talk to anyone like that and I won’t work for anyone like that. not. ever.

444 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:50:16pm

re: #439 RogueOne

Okay. Then can you show the majority of the doubling of the budget over the past ten years went to SEIU employees, please?

445 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:52:27pm

re: #443 Dragon_Lady

I’ve warned people that the job was very challenging, immediate results were expected, and that there was a three month probationary period where they could be fired if they weren’t adapting fast enough.

That’s about as ‘stress’ as I’ve ever made it.

446 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:52:43pm

re: #423 Cato the Elder

Seriously, folks, not even a tepid chuckle for my #405?

DOES NO ONE CARE WHAT’S HAPPENED TO SYNTAX IN THIS COUNTRY!!!1!? IS IT REALLY ALL JUST ABOUT SIN TAX???1!

Sorry bout that I missed it. I was talkin to my neighbors outside. I laugh out loud when I went back and read it though, I even updinged you!

447 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:56:57pm

re: #445 Obdicut

I’ve warned people that the job was very challenging, immediate results were expected, and that there was a three month probationary period where they could be fired if they weren’t adapting fast enough.

That’s about as ‘stress’ as I’ve ever made it.

I said it above and I’ll say it again: This woman had the personality of a Sherman Tank and all the subtly of a Howitzer. She even told me that she would hire me, she didn’t believe she was saying it, but she would hire me.
I just wished I had told her not to do me any favors! That kind of favor I don’t need! NO ONE NEEDS THAT KIND OF FAVOR!

448 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:57:18pm

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

Who’s Liz? I was talking about Dick.

Right, and Dick doesn’t use his finger when he wants to poke someone, he’s old school that way.

449 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 2:59:01pm

Reason has been all over this for years, but they’re evil libertarians who want to take over the government and then…leave everyone alone, so I guess we’ll have to ignore them.//


I’ll give you two places to start and then you can go through the numbers yourself.

Failed States
reason.com


In fiscal year 1990–91, California took in more than $38 billion in general fund revenues. In 2008–09 revenues are $102 billion. If the state had simply limited spending increases to the 4.4 percent annual average growth in consumer price index plus population, the state would be sitting on a $15 billion surplus this year instead of a $42 billion deficit.

A significant portion of California’s spending increase stems from the growth in state employees. Today there are more than 356,000 workers on California’s payroll, or 9.3 state employees for every 1,000 residents. The biggest hiring binges came during Gray Davis’ dot-com exuberance, and then again during the pre-recession Schwarzenegger administration (see Figure 5).

This increase in personnel is important because so much of the budget is devoted to employees’ wages and benefits, and because their pension benefits, which are locked into place for all current employees, are both colossal and precarious. The California Public Employees’ Retirement Security System, which until last year was the largest public pension fund in the United States, lost a staggering 20 percent of its value in just three months of 2008 (see “The Next Catastrophe,” February).

and:

10 Years of Union Ugly in CA
reason.com

and I’ll toss in a 3rd bonus which actually had me laughing out loud yesterday. There is a longish John Stossel video:

reason.com

On Feb. 11, Reason Editor in Chief Matt Welch and February cover boy Steven “Class War” Greenhut appeared on John Stossel’s weekly Fox Business Channel program to talk about the power and impact of public sector unions, and whether America on the whole is on a “road to serfdom.”

450 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 3:01:51pm

re: #449 RogueOne

I actually liked that video segment so much I’m watching it again.

451 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 3:11:22pm

re: #438 darthstar

What’s scarier? A naked, angry Rahm Emmanuel approaching you in the shower or a naked, angry Liz Cheney?

Hmmmmm. That’s hard to say. I’m sure Liz has long fingernails, so probably her.

452 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 3:15:33pm

re: #449 RogueOne

A) You know that state employees aren’t part of the SEIU, right?

B) I don’t see anything in the Reason article saying that employees make up half of the budget increase, and I’m not going to do a shitload of math to prove a point you’re making. If you want me to believe it, you should do the work, not me.

I’m a Californian (though alas, probably not for much longer). I have seen the government at work. The californian government actually has one of the lowest ratios of government workers to citizens in the country.

docs.google.com

453 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 3:16:49pm

re: #452 Obdicut

They’re affiliated with the SEIU, of course.

But anyway: California has a low ratio of government workers to citizens.


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