I want to know what movie the mole people are from. I should know this.

(Pant, pant) Need... more... time... between... threads... you're killing me Charles!

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

TurboTax drops Glenn Beck, whose show has gone without ads for more than a month in the UK.

re: #1 theheat

I want to know what movie the mole people are from. I should know this.

Oddly enough, it was titled "The Mole People." Starring John Agar.

re: #3 zora

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

TurboTax drops Glenn Beck, whose show has gone without ads for more than a month in the UK.

What do they do for commercial breaks, have Rupert Murdoch dress in drag and do the hula?

GAH BAD MENTAL IMAGE!

re: #4 Charles

My mind confused it with Attack of the Giant Shrews. I have them all on DVD.

re: #4 Charles

Best scene:
"You Will Die in the Fire of ISHTAR!"

*biff ... biff*

Non-hybrid seeds are a big deal in the survivalist/doomer world. And yes, Mormons seem to gravitate to survivalism. I remember pre-Y2K Art Bell pimping MRE's from Utah, emphasizing the Mormon connection.

The survivalist are especially hostile to GMO foods.

we should only trade in gold and seeds.
//

re: #6 theheat

I've kept several 55-gallon drums in the garage ever since I saw that one...

re: #8 freetoken

Non-hybrid seeds are a big deal in the survivalist/doomer world. And yes, Mormons seem to gravitate to survivalism. I remember pre-Y2K Art Bell pimping MRE's from Utah, emphasizing the Mormon connection.

The survivalist are especially hostile to GMO foods.

Guess they don't exactly cotton to letting plants cross pollinate with any old stalk of corn...

That or they're afraid Hybrid Vigor crops will one day rise up and overthrow humanity...

If this kind of ripoff scam is what's being advertised on the Beck Clown Rodeo Show, they must be getting desperate.

re: #12 Cato the Elder

Don't forget the overpriced gold that's been there from day 1.

re: #12 Cato the Elder

If this kind of ripoff scam is what's being advertised on the Beck Clown Rodeo Show, they must be getting desperate.

Yes, but in their desperation they've found the perfect match, a lot like God Line, crazy world doomey show comes on, crazy world doomey commercial pays for it, it's a match made in Mordor...

re: #12 Cato the Elder

If this kind of ripoff scam is what's being advertised on the Beck Clown Rodeo Show, they must be getting desperate.

For only $149 dollars, you can plant up to an acre of seeds in your apartment!

OT already: The true scandal of the climate-change-scaremongers: misogyny!

New U.N. Climate Change Group is All Male

Of course when it comes to truly scary, nothing beats "Night of the Lepus"...

/what could be more frightening than killer rabbits?

re: #16 freetoken

OT already: The true scandal of the climate-change-scaremongers: misogyny!

New U.N. Climate Change Group is All Male

Well, maybe they're afraid hot flashes throw off the readings on their instruments...did you ever think of THAT?
/

re: #10 Thanos

Not to be confused with Attack of the Giant Leeches...

Even worse than fluoride in the water.

re: #17 Thanos

Of course when it comes to truly scary, nothing beats "Night of the Lepus"...

[Video]/what could be more frightening than killer rabbits?

I watched that once on late night television when I was really, really stoned in college. Excellent cinematography. Stellar acting. Good dope.

re: #12 Cato the Elder

If this kind of ripoff scam is what's being advertised on the Beck Clown Rodeo Show, they must be getting desperate.

Check out their website. These people are goddamn vultures.

re: #16 freetoken

Are they shirtless? Otherwise, I'm not interested.

Boing Boing linked to the Dangerous Minds interview, and guess what happened in their thread? Yep. More stalkers.

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

re: #22 theheat

Are they shirtless? Otherwise, I'm not interested.

The political head of the newly appointed group is Gordon Brown, PM of the UK. You really want to see him shirtless?

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

you know, for when the government comes for your seeds.

Every far-right site you go to is overrun with ads for Crisis gardens, guns, generators, and solar power systems. They seem to actually yearn for the end of civilization and the return of mob rule. Of course the only reason they will actually need any of those is if they topple the government and upend the monetary system because of their own actions. Maybe that is why they can be seen advocating exactly that in their comments on dozens of sites?

Some of these people have apparently watched "Mad Max" far too many times. Perhaps we should make more effort to convince them that if civilization goes then the internet will go with it. If nothing else that might scare them enough to make them stop...

Website's got a picture of a little blond moppet running among cabbages with a caption: "What will your family eat when the grocery store shelves are empty?"

re: #24 freetoken

Ewww, no thanks, I'll wait for the ones that make the Climate Change Calendar.

re: #25 zora

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

you know, for when the government comes for your seeds.

But if it springs a leak, you'll end up with a gigantic plant with an acre's wroth of food growing off of it.

re: #23 Charles

Boing Boing linked to the Dangerous Minds interview, and guess what happened in their thread? Yep. More stalkers.

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Charlz baned me just for disagreing with him! He's so not Koool!!
//

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Children!
//

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Website's got a picture of a little blond moppet running among cabbages with a caption: "What will your family eat when the grocery store shelves are empty?"

Kind of answers itself.
/

re: #25 zora

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

you know, for when the government comes for your seeds.

I'd upding that one again if I could. ;)

re: #4 Charles

Oddly enough, it was titled "The Mole People." Starring John Agar.

[Video]

Watched the MST3K version of that last night oddly enough.

re: #26 ausador

Every far-right site you go to is overrun with ads for Crisis gardens, guns, generators, and solar power systems. They seem to actually yearn for the end of civilization and the return of mob rule. Of course the only reason they will actually need any of those is if they topple the government and upend the monetary system because of their own actions. Maybe that is why they can be seen advocating exactly that in their comments on dozens of sites?

Some of these people have apparently watched "Mad Max" far too many times. Perhaps we should make more effort to convince them that if civilization goes then the internet will go with it. If nothing else that might scare them enough to make them stop...

So that's what it takes to get the right wing to support green energy!

(You did say Solar power systems)

We liberals should make them think we're trying to take over the world more often!

I for one will continue to stockpile hockey masks, loinclothes, nitrous for my custom dune buggy and practice my "Just walk away" speech in preparation for the collapse of society.

re: #19 theheat

Not to be confused with Attack of the Giant Leeches...

[Video]

Even worse than fluoride in the water.

Watched that one the night before, I guess I'll have to watch the killer shrew MST3k tonight to round out the cycle.

re: #25 zora

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

you know, for when the government comes for your seeds.

Um, wha kind of seed we talkin bout? Ganja?/ Poppy?/ Wha?

re: #12 Cato the Elder

If this kind of ripoff scam is what's being advertised on the Beck Clown Rodeo Show, they must be getting desperate.

It's speshul gold. From conflict areas. So you know it will withstand the pressure when America turns into the Congo.

southerners cancel prom because lesbian might come

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Holy hell.
Just when I thought that the lunatics on the right couldn't go any lower, I find out once again that I'm sadly mistaken.

I stumbled across this bit of targeted marketing while clicking on some Google ad links a few days ago, and thought that reporting the content to the hosting site (Zazzle) would have gotten it yanked, because this goes waaay over the line. Unfortunately, the products are still there.

Linking the cached page, because I don't think they deserve the traffic over this kind of crap.

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I for one will continue to stockpile hockey masks, loinclothes, nitrous for my custom dune buggy and practice my "Just walk away" speech in preparation for the collapse of society.

You are a kick in the pants dude! LOL! Upding for you!

I have to run folks. Everyone have a good night. I might get back later on my Droid.

Obdi, didn't mean to come across as snippy with you earlier, no offense meant.

re: #26 ausador

Every far-right site you go to is overrun with ads for Crisis gardens, guns, generators, and solar power systems. They seem to actually yearn for the end of civilization and the return of mob rule. Of course the only reason they will actually need any of those is if they topple the government and upend the monetary system because of their own actions. Maybe that is why they can be seen advocating exactly that in their comments on dozens of sites?

Some of these people have apparently watched "Mad Max" far too many times. Perhaps we should make more effort to convince them that if civilization goes then the internet will go with it. If nothing else that might scare them enough to make them stop...

Consideingr some of the possible scenarios that could present themselves if global warming continues on it's upward trend, it certainly may be a good thing that individuals consider some "self preservation" ideas... in case they are needed.

Granted, I suspect Glen Beck has a different motivation behind his reasoning, but aside from his loony "government versus us" mentality, I see no reason to dismiss the whole concept out of hand, for better reasons then his.

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Personally, I always wanted to ride horseback and do the "They Cannot Take Our Freedom" Braveheart thing. Cool horses trump dune buggies. Of course, they might also eat my crisis garden.

Freedom Speech Fail.

re: #8 freetoken

Non-hybrid seeds are a big deal in the survivalist/doomer world. And yes, Mormons seem to gravitate to survivalism. I remember pre-Y2K Art Bell pimping MRE's from Utah, emphasizing the Mormon connection.

The survivalist are especially hostile to GMO foods.

Non hybrid seeds and seed banking are of interest to anyone who is interested in seed stock diversity and heirloom plants. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. If you've ever eaten a heirloom tomato like a German Stripe or an apple of a real Ohio Weathy apple tree, you'll know what I mean.

re: #45 theheat

Personally, I always wanted to ride horseback and do the "They Cannot Take Our Freedom" Braveheart thing. Cool horses trump dune buggies. Of course, they might also eat my crisis garden.

Freedom Speech Fail.

I am gravely dissapointed. Again you make me unleash my dogs of war.

Yesterday's Jon Stewart segment on the Beck Massa-cree.

re: #13 freetoken

Don't forget the overpriced gold that's been there from day 1.

It's speshul gold. From conflict areas. So you know it will withstand the pressure when America turns into the Congo.

re: #49 Cato the Elder

It's speshul gold. From conflict areas. So you know it will withstand the pressure when America turns into the Congo.

Laugh if you want, but when President Luap Nor returns us to the Gold Standard (r), I'll have the last laugh!!!
//

"Yes. A crisis garden. When the end times come and you’re tilling the earth with a human femur, while the sky is raining fire, you’re gonna want a reliable source of radicchio and mini-squash."

Brilliant.

re: #23 Charles

Boing Boing linked to the Dangerous Minds interview, and guess what happened in their thread? Yep. More stalkers.

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Charles..Excellent posts on that thread you made...
I have always said you are a man of Principle and will voice your beliefs and stand for what you you feel is right...
That is what I call courage..Kudo's
/Man that one post was almost like going into the Al Pacino speech in the Scent of a Woman
To some readers..That left a mark...With class

Basic economics teach us that an item is only worth as much as we perceive its worth to be. In a true societal collapse, gold coins and bars would probably be nothing more than pretty paper weights.

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Basic economics teach us that an item is only worth as much as we perceive its worth to be. In a true societal collapse, gold coins and bars would probably be nothing more than pretty paper weights.

But non-hybrid seeds will always be valuable!

Russian court jails nine over racist killing

Nine members of a Russian white supremacist group have been jailed for up to 22 years each in connection with the killing of a man from Cameroon.
Three of the group, known as Simbirsk White Power, were convicted of the racially motivated murder of Etizok Ndobe Ernest in the city of Ulyanovsk.

Investigators said his throat was cut and he was stabbed repeatedly on his way home from work as a DJ in 2008.

It is the latest in a series of cases involving racist attacks in Russia.

Eastern Europe has its own problems that get overshadowed by the Islam-fear in the western parts of Europe. So many groups, so much hatred.

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Basic economics teach us that an item is only worth as much as we perceive its worth to be. In a true societal collapse, gold coins and bars would probably be nothing more than pretty paper weights.

Booze, cigarettes and spices (you know to help with the rabbit, pigeons and squirrels we'll have to eat)

re: #8 freetoken

Non-hybrid seeds are a big deal in the survivalist/doomer world. And yes, Mormons seem to gravitate to survivalism. I remember pre-Y2K Art Bell pimping MRE's from Utah, emphasizing the Mormon connection.

The survivalist are especially hostile to GMO foods.

Mormons have been urged to build up and maintain a year's supply of food for their family since near their inception. Life in the desert country of Utah wasn't easy or predictable; it was a doctrine that made a whole lot of sense at the time.

It's also one reason why they forbid drinking. Too much food - grain, corn - was being turned into alcohol at a time when starvation was common among subsistence farmers.

Probably not as applicable today, although the family in Haiti who squirreled away canned and dried goods is probably feeling more smug than his neighbors these days.

Not sure what the opposition to GM foods is about; I hear that mostly from misinformed environmentalists. I'd tend to agree that over-reliance on a handful of hybrid seed stocks, planted in thousand square mile monoculture, is an idea that has some real serious downsides to it, not the least of which is reliance on agribusiness for next year's seed. Of course, that problem has been around since the introduction of F1 hybrids.

re: #50 rwdflynavy

Laugh if you want, but when President Luap Nor returns us to the Gold Standard (r), I'll have the last laugh!!!
//

That was good!

re: #56 Stanley Sea

Booze, cigarettes and spices (you know to help with the rabbit, pigeons and squirrels we'll have to eat)

Guns, ammo, medicines and basic how to books.

If you like post-societal-collapse fiction, I highly recommend Octavia Butler's The Parable of the Sower. Excellent book.

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Basic economics teach us that an item is only worth as much as we perceive its worth to be. In a true societal collapse, gold coins and bars would probably be nothing more than pretty paper weights.

Exactly, which is why is stick to hoarding things that I literally couldn't live without, like canned smoked trout and my blood pressure medications.

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guns, ammo, medicines and basic how to books.

"There are two kinds of people, those have a gun and those that dig. I have the gun, you dig."

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Yesterday's Jon Stewart segment on the Beck Massa-cree.

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

It was hilarious, and I respect Jon for not stooping to "Massa Baiting" like I did...

Kinda back on topic:

Christians Urged to Boycott Glenn Beck

Hmmm... will future church historians look back on this day and define a new heresy: Beckianism?

Has anyone used Texas' babbling as a marketing ploy yet?

re: #64 freetoken

Kinda back on topic:

Christians Urged to Boycott Glenn Beck

Hmmm... will future church historians look back on this day and define a new heresy: Beckianism?

It's the Church of Strictly Optional Concern for the Widow and Orphan.

Feh.

The Death of Irony, Part Eleventy-Billion:

Actual Headline

re: #65 uninformed opinion

Has anyone used Texas' babbling as a marketing ploy yet?

brilliant... lemmie call my boss :)

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Yesterday's Jon Stewart segment on the Beck Massa-cree.

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

Worst Penthouse Forum letter EVER.

re: #68 brookly red

brilliant... lemmie call my boss :)

I like how some people think its actually possible.

Woman fearing Apocalypse tries to halt Collider

[Link: news.cnet.com...]

re: #71 Thanos

Woman fearing Apocalypse tries to halt Collider

[Link: news.cnet.com...]

[Link: www.cyriak.co.uk...]

re: #52 HoosierHoops

To some readers..That left a mark...With class

And speaking of class.. Cause this has bothered me for awhile..
After the great Flounce of 2009...There have been thousands of posting made about it...I'm a Moderate American that watched in horror at what was said..
I'm looking at you Stalker blog.. 99% of you have show absolutely no class at all...Charles told you to get off his blog and you have bitched about it for a year in the most vulgar and vile terms and postings..EVERY SINGLE DAY!
There are a few ex-lizards over there that are great people and show class and grace and are super smart.. Be more like them...
Your anger is your shame kids
And just so you know this is not one of those /rant things off
This post is stone cold.. Near absolute Zero .
Show some class and grow the fuck up...

re: #71 Thanos

Woman fearing Apocalypse tries to halt Collider

[Link: news.cnet.com...]

well it looks scary...

re: #71 Thanos

Woman fearing Apocalypse tries to halt Collider

[Link: news.cnet.com...]

She's wasting valuable time she could be using to appease the volcano god.

Beyond parody...

Palin and Pawlenty to help Bachmann raise cash

Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty, two potential rivals for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, will meet in Minneapolis next month to help raise money for Rep. Michele Bachmann, an outspoken conservative and popular figure among Tea Party activists.

Palin had previously announced that she would campaign for Bachmann this spring, and Bachmann's campaign followed up Thursday with the announcement that the former Alaska governor will host an April 7 fundraiser for the Bachmann's re-election campaign.

But Bachmann's campaign also announced that Pawlenty, the Minnesota governor, will be one of several "Honorary Hosts" for the fundraiser - adding an extra layer of 2012 intrigue to the event.

It should be quite an entertaining evening withal.

re: #67 iceweasel

They just don't want it shoved down their throats.

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

I used to think Pawlenty would be somebody to help the GOP get back on track.

re: #77 freetoken

They just don't want it shoved down their throats.

Heh. Or 'rammed'.

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She's wasting valuable time she could be using to appease the volcano god.

She's afraid it will warp the flat earth into a disastrously mal-formed spherical shape.

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She's wasting valuable time she could be using to appease the volcano god.

God hates Chili and Hatey!!
//

re: #79 iceweasel

Heh. Or 'rammed'.

You'll have to double check with Cato, but I think you misspelled it. Try "rahmmed" instead.

re: #67 iceweasel

The Death of Irony, Part Eleventy-Billion:

Actual Headline

Works for me.

I haz kilt the tread.

re: #84 ryannon

I haz kilt the tread.

Thanks a lot!!!

Finally got to watch the clip. I've been busy honing my post-apocalyptic skill set: fixing bicycles. I've been working on an old Peugeot. It's so old, it has wingnuts. The thing about real wingnuts is there's a left wingnut and a right wingnut. So it doesn't work for me as a political descriptor.

Back to work.

Gonna log out now, I have a bit of a headache, Tootle loo! Have a nice evening and Keep Laughing!

re: #86 wrenchwench

When I lived in England I had a cast iron postman's bike that weighed 42 pounds.

re: #86 wrenchwench

Finally got to watch the clip. I've been busy honing my post-apocalyptic skill set: fixing bicycles. I've been working on an old Peugeot. It's so old, it has wingnuts. The thing about real wingnuts is there's a left wingnut and a right wingnut. So it doesn't work for me as a political descriptor.

Back to work.

Just remember:
It's not really an apocalypse unless there are Zombies.

It's amazing they're getting people to fork over $150 for what's probably about $20 worth of seeds. Suckers!

re: #87 Dragon_Lady

Gonna log out now, I have a bit of a headache, Tootle loo! Have a nice evening and Keep Laughing!

Be well..
I always will bring a laugh to a room..Ask Walter.. Sometimes when he gets really cranky I'll call him up and ruin his whole mood...
/Walter has a nice laugh and a good spirit..
Sorry Walter.. I outed you bitch *wink*

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Be well..
I always will bring a laugh to a room..Ask Walter.. Sometimes when he gets really cranky I'll call him up and ruin his whole mood...
/Walter has a nice laugh and a good spirit..
Sorry Walter.. I outed you bitch *wink*

I have no idea what you are talking about?

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

I have no idea what you are talking about?

I'm teasing you.. I've enjoyed our conversations

re: #90 Killgore Trout

It's amazing they're getting people to fork over $150 for what's probably about $20 worth of seeds. Suckers!

Fear has a way of making people stupid. Now, let's talk about that gold you were interested in buying.
/

What do you get if you cross a Mormon and a kleptomanaic?

A basement full of stolen wheat.

Crisis gardens!

bah! as if we don't see through this transparent ploy to co-opt the people into subsistence agricultural collectives!

You're not fooling anyone, you know!

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

Fear has a way of making people stupid. Now, let's talk about that gold you were interested in buying.
/

Gold sure has been on a run lately but I suspect that'll end as the economic crisis winds down over the next couple years. I don't know how oversaturated the gold market is, nobody's predicting a gold crash that I've seen.

As I'm sure you all remember, WND informed us last year of the shocking truth that the Girl Scouts are nothing more than a recruitment/training center for lesbianism.

Well, that devious group, The World Association of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides, now is fronting for a UN inspired assault on the family, lead by Planned Parenthood:

Girl Scouts OK Pro-Abortion Planned Parenthood Sex Guide at United Nations Mtg

Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women of America told the Friday Fax, “Governments and NGOs should be aware of Planned Parenthood’s insidious plan to work with UN agencies and girls’ organizations in order to profit from encouraging kids to be sexually active.”

Be afraid, very afraid, of those cookie-pushers in your neighborhood.

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Gold sure has been on a run lately but I suspect that'll end as the economic crisis winds down over the next couple years. I don't know how oversaturated the gold market is, nobody's predicting a gold crash that I've seen.

Radically over-priced in comparison to other commodities. The run-up was from folk trying to diversify commodities portfolios; once you've done oil and ag and such, all that's left really is metals. Silver went through a bit of a run-up on speculation that Indian buyers were gonna swamp the bourses, but nothing much came of it, either.

In a real crisis, gold is worse than useless. Try trading a krugerrand for a chicken.

I wonder if medical marijuana seeds are included in that priced-to-go little tube of crap.

Because dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope - at least according to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

Here's today poem from The Writer's Almanac.
For Cato.
and I think my wife who would see her own father perhaps being described...

Retriever
by Faith Shearin

My father, in middle age, falls in love with a dog.
He who kicked dogs in anger when I was a child,
who liked his comb always on the same shelf,
who drank martinis to make his mind quiet.

He who worked and worked—his shirts
wrapped in plastic, his heart ironed
like a collar. He who—like so many men—
loved his children but thought the money

he made for them was more important
than the rough tweed of his presence.
The love of my father's later years is
a Golden Retriever—more red

than yellow—a nervous dog who knows
his work clothes from his casual ones,
can read his creased face, who waits for
him at the front door—her paws crossed

like a child's arms. She doesn't berate him
for being late, doesn't need new shoes
or college. There is no pressure to raise her
right, which is why she chews the furniture,

pees on rugs, barks at strangers who
cross the lawn. She is his responsible soul
broken free. She is the children he couldn't
come home to made young again.

She is like my mother but never angry,
always devoted. He cooks for his dog—
my father who raised us in restaurants—
and takes her on business trips like

a wife. Sometimes, sitting beside her
in the hair-filled fan he drives to make
her more comfortable, my father's dog
turns her head to one side as if

thinking and, in this pose, more than
one of us has mistaken her for a person.
We would be jealous if she didn't make
him so happy—he who never took

more than one trip on his expensive
sailboat, whose Mercedes was wrecked
by a valet. My mother saw him behind
the counter of a now-fallen fast food

restaurant when she was nineteen.
They kissed beside a river where fish
no longer swim. My father who was
always serious has fallen in love with

a dog. What can I do but be happy for him?

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Gold production has been declining these past few years, even with the price being so high.

Heh... so much for the free-market fundamentalists' claims...

re: #97 Killgore Trout

I honestly don't know much about the market, all I know is that when the dollar is weak, gold goes up, and when the dollar is strong, gold goes down.

If I had any significant quantities of gold, I'd be tempted to sell now while it's high, and reinvest that into the stock market. But then again, I don't know squat about investing.

As you may or may not know, each Mormon ward has a guy or gal in charge of keeping us prepared for emergencies. (I will continue to harp on the 72 hour kits, because we all need one.)

Ours just got us a deal on 15,000 seeds.

$15.

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Gold sure has been on a run lately but I suspect that'll end as the economic crisis winds down over the next couple years. I don't know how oversaturated the gold market is, nobody's predicting a gold crash that I've seen.

Last month there was a piece in the WSJ that said Obama should declare he is selling Gold from FT. Knox.. Not really do it.. Just to drive the price down down 500 dollars in one day just to punish all the rich white guys that lost faith in the American dollar and invested in gold..
They don't accept Gold at McDonalds..
You pawned America dollars for Gold.. Pay the price...

re: #100 Cato the Elder

I wonder if medical marijuana seeds are included in that priced-to-go little tube of crap.

Because dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope - at least according to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

Tobacco seeds have been, and continue, to sell like hotcakes as folk try to grow their own for a hobby and to get around the tax-man. Thing is, a good yield on a plant is about 4 ounces, maybe enough, if the quality is good, and if you process it correctly, to make about 5 packs of low-grade smokes. Small-time growers (say, less than 5 or so acres) can't get enough grown to even begin to process it properly. Funny stuff, though, the idea of gardening your way through a crisis.

re: #99 Guanxi88

In a real crisis, gold is worse than useless. Try trading a krugerrand for a chicken.

Word! If you're betting on a real crisis, invest in lead.

re: #96 Guanxi88

My grandpa helped get Co-OP off the ground back in the day. He went around to the farmers with a slide show presentation.[Link: www.manhattan.coop...]

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

Word! If you're betting on a real crisis, invest in lead.

No... quicksilver.

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

Word! If you're betting on a real crisis, invest in lead.

ballistic wampum, I've heard it called.

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

No... quicksilver.

And uric acid.

As a practical matter, and as i've said before: if a real depression seems likely to you, you'd be a fool NOT to invest in tobacco and booze, whether as stock and companies, or as contraband goods.

The worse things get, the more folk'll pay for a smoke and drink to chase the blues away.

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

No... quicksilver.

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

And uric acid.

Make phosphorus...

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

I've got a cinnabar mine. I make my own.

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Gold sure has been on a run lately but I suspect that'll end as the economic crisis winds down over the next couple years. I don't know how oversaturated the gold market is, nobody's predicting a gold crash that I've seen.

The whole thing is hype by powerful people to profit more.

re: #112 Guanxi88

Coffee beans and pr0n. And crack sheets.

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

I've got a cinnabar mine. I make my own.

I've been reading to much Stephenson. He cleverly builds a big part of the economy in the 1600's around piss.

re: #112 Guanxi88

As a practical matter, and as i've said before: if a real depression seems likely to you, you'd be a fool NOT to invest in tobacco and booze, whether as stock and companies, or as contraband goods.

The worse things get, the more folk'll pay for a smoke and drink to chase the blues away.

It's really not a bad idea to have some non-perishable staples salted away in your basement. Oats, rice, other grains, powdered milk, sugar, salt, oil, tinned food, etc.

Enough, say, to get you through an earthquake scenario or something.

One doesn't have to be an end-timer to plan for contingencies.

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I've been reading to much Stephenson. He cleverly builds a big part of the economy in the 1600's around piss.

Saltpetre man's a powerful guy. The national defense was in his hands, so to speak.

re: #115 uninformed opinion

The whole thing is hype by powerful people to profit more.

/well that is pretty much the nature of the universe...

re: #120 brookly red

/well that is pretty much the nature of the universe...

He gumba... what cho doin'

re: #104 EmmmieG

As you may or may not know, each Mormon ward has a guy or gal in charge of keeping us prepared for emergencies. (I will continue to harp on the 72 hour kits, because we all need one.)

Ours just got us a deal on 15,000 seeds.

$15.

I'm thinking in the 2st Century we move beyond seeds for survival.. ( cause you know everybody in the Cities die first )
It's all about logistics...
If you think it's almost the end of the world as we know it.. Send me 20 bucks a month...When the world Collapses I promise you supplies will flow by air and ground transportation for you and your family..Kind of a Meals on Wheels for the End times...
*Light bulb goes off*
/Anybody have the number to Fox Marketing?

re: #118 Cato the Elder

Spam, spam, spam, spam...

re: #118 Cato the Elder

It's really not a bad idea to have some non-perishable staples salted away in your basement. Oats, rice, other grains, powdered milk, sugar, salt, oil, tinned food, etc.

Enough, say, to get you through an earthquake scenario or something.

One doesn't have to be an end-timer to plan for contingencies.

Well, of course, and no responsible person doesn't keep some stuff on hand; but the self-dramatizing gesture of buying nitrogen-packed heirloom seeds so you can practice subsistence agriculture following the inevitable collapse of EVERYTHING brought on by the policies of your political adversary...

well, if I found my thoughts running along those lines, I think I might just pull up stakes, 'cause if my survival comes down to growing beans and tomatoes (although what shall I eat while my crop grows, and how shall I store it, and what if I f*ck it up and it dies like my lawn?), then I doubt things'll turn around before I've got to plant my next crop.

re: #120 brookly red

/well that is pretty much the nature of the universe...

Of course. The situation with gold is pretty ridiculous, all of the mass media pandering. In the end when the gold market corrects and prices drop, there are going to be some folk who feel misled.

OT--I have a swollen and sore bit on the roof of my mouth. It's on one side, behind the back teeth. I can feel a corresponding bump on the other side of the mouth, but not swollen or painful.

When I swallow, feels like broken glass in ear. Is this a lymph node, or a salivary gland, or what, and is there anything I can do to bring it down?

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Gargling with salt water will help. I hope you didn't get an ear infection from your congestion.

re: #118 Cato the Elder

It's really not a bad idea to have some non-perishable staples salted away in your basement. Oats, rice, other grains, powdered milk, sugar, salt, oil, tinned food, etc.

Enough, say, to get you through an earthquake scenario or something.

One doesn't have to be an end-timer to plan for contingencies.

cash... keep cash on hand. I have been through an number of blackouts and there is nothing sadder that the look on a yuppies face when they realize their plastic won't work.

re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth

Spam, spam, spam, spam...

Clever. I almost missed the elliptical link.

re: #101 Ericus58

That was wonderful. Thank you!

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I've been reading to much Stephenson. He cleverly builds a big part of the economy in the 1600's around piss.

Interesting book "Farmers of Forty Centuries" - a book about traditional Chinese agricultural practices, has quite a bit to say about the night-soil men, whose efforts, in combination with the amazing system of organization that was ancient Chinese agriculture, made the whole system work. Think of it - no known soil depletion until the introduction of "modern" improvements in agricultural practice, and China's population was always large.

Anywho, the night-soil man was one of the most-feared and respected of the lower classes - there were penalties for folk who were thought to be "holding out" on the emperor.

Wow...Harry Reid's wife broke her back & neck in that accident today...Daughter not as seriously injured. Rear-ended by a semi.

re: #125 uninformed opinion

Of course. The situation with gold is pretty ridiculous, all of the mass media pandering. In the end when the gold market corrects and prices drop, there are going to be some folk who feel misled.

again, the same with any market... I bought gold & silver years ago when the price was low. buy low sell high.

re: #132 darthstar

Man, that's a nasty one. Prayers for their health.

re: #132 darthstar

Wow...Harry Reid's wife broke her back & neck in that accident today...Daughter not as seriously injured. Rear-ended by a semi.

Bad news.

Apologies if this was posted (I'm still catching up on the news):

Nancy Pelosi's office was told of concerns about Eric Massa (in October)

Joe Racalto, Massa's chief of staff, was uneasy that Massa, 50, was living with several young, unmarried male staffers and using sexually explicit language with them, one source said. But what finally prompted him to call Pelosi's director of member services, the source said, was a lunch date that Massa made with a congressional aide in his 20s who worked in the office of Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.).

According to a person briefed on the call, Racalto was concerned that the lunch followed a pattern by Massa -- who is married and has two children -- of trying to spend time alone with young gay men with no ostensible work purpose. Racalto, according to this person, also alerted Frank's chief of staff. The sources spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of the matter.

Barney Frank released a statement confirming that detail, but says it wasn't a lunch date, but a dinner date.

re: #129 Cato the Elder

I have a habit of hiding links in punctuation marks. I'm silly that way.

re: #124 Guanxi88

cause if my survival comes down to growing beans and tomatoes (although what shall I eat while my crop grows, and how shall I store it, and what if I f*ck it up and it dies like my lawn?), then I doubt things'll turn around before I've got to plant my next crop.

I've been gardening for 10 years and only now am I getting close to growing all my own food. It takes a lot of practice and most of the knowledge was lost a few generations ago. Anyone dumb enough to pay $150 for a package of seeds doesn't have a chance at survival.

re: #134 prairiefire

Man, that's a nasty one. Prayers for their health.

indeed.

re: #132 darthstar

Wow...Harry Reid's wife broke her back & neck in that accident today...Daughter not as seriously injured. Rear-ended by a semi.

Thoughts and prayers go out to Sen Reid's wife and daughter, and Harry and their family too.

I was just cleaning out my closet, and having to explain to my daughter how photographs USED to work.

See, you didn't know how they would turn out until you had them developed, and got them back. This led to a closet full of medoicre-to-poor photos, with the rare good ones on the wall. And things called "negatives." You couldn't just look at them on the monitor, and decide which ones to post on facebook.

I also found another antique. A little book for carrying around photos and showing them to people. Because, you know, there was no other way for people to see your photos.

She's looking at this stuff curiously, and considering making a scrapbook of just her as a baby. She was the cutest one, after all.

re: #106 Guanxi88

Tobacco seeds have been, and continue, to sell like hotcakes as folk try to grow their own for a hobby and to get around the tax-man. Thing is, a good yield on a plant is about 4 ounces, maybe enough, if the quality is good, and if you process it correctly, to make about 5 packs of low-grade smokes. Small-time growers (say, less than 5 or so acres) can't get enough grown to even begin to process it properly. Funny stuff, though, the idea of gardening your way through a crisis.

I say we spy on Cuba.. Send the Seals..Steal their seeds and grow Cuban Cigars right here in the USA...USA! USA!
We are so afraid to have trade with Cuba.. For God's sake.. If they had a pool of oil under Cuba.. Clinton right now and sending the 3rd Marines to free the Cuban people..
Cuba has wonderful people, Great Athletes and wonderful cigars...
Too bad they don't have oil.
/

This story has been out there all day, but I link to the following paper because it has a strong comments section:

Obama myth: It persists

News reports debunking the myth that President Obama is a Muslim did nothing to dissuade religious conservatives from believing the rumor, according to research by a University of Georgia professor.

Despite the best efforts of journalists, people on both the left and the right tend to believe what they want to believe whether it's true or not, said the paper's author, UGA journalism professor Barry Hollander.

[...]

A birther or two in the comments, a few believe Obama is a Muslim, etc. Wait until the story is put up at FoxNation.

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I've been gardening for 10 years and only now am I getting close to growing all my own food. It takes a lot of practice and most of the knowledge was lost a few generations ago. Anyone dumb enough to pay $150 for a package of seeds doesn't have a chance at survival.

hey, there's something to be said for the idea of doing just that - exploiting them. Better you get something outta these people NOW than later, 'cause if they're dumb enough to part with that kinda cash, they're not gonna have it for very much longer.

re: #132 darthstar

Wow...Harry Reid's wife broke her back & neck in that accident today...Daughter not as seriously injured. Rear-ended by a semi.

Wow. Hope they will be OK.

re: #131 Guanxi88

Interesting book "Farmers of Forty Centuries" - a book about traditional Chinese agricultural practices, has quite a bit to say about the night-soil men, whose efforts, in combination with the amazing system of organization that was ancient Chinese agriculture, made the whole system work. Think of it - no known soil depletion until the introduction of "modern" improvements in agricultural practice, and China's population was always large.

Anywho, the night-soil man was one of the most-feared and respected of the lower classes - there were penalties for folk who were thought to be "holding out" on the emperor.

Like a lot of thing, I certainly don't know everything, and I was amazed at the night-soil trade, and the way Stephenson weaved it into his plot, history changing plot point, around uric acid and creating phosphorus, and then using the phosphorus in a number of attempts on Sir Isaac Newton's life.

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

When I swallow, feels like broken glass in ear. Is this a lymph node, or a salivary gland, or what, and is there anything I can do to bring it down?

Hmmm, some kind of anti-inflamitory might be a good idea. Have you tried good old aspirin yet?

re: #142 HoosierHoops

I say we spy on Cuba.. Send the Seals..Steal their seeds and grow Cuban Cigars right here in the USA...USA! USA!
We are so afraid to have trade with Cuba.. For God's sake.. If they had a pool of oil under Cuba.. Clinton right now and sending the 3rd Marines to free the Cuban people..
Cuba has wonderful people, Great Athletes and wonderful cigars...
Too bad they don't have oil.
/

one of the main economic differences between Haiti & the DR is that the DR has a cigar industry built up by Cuban's that fled Castro.

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you should go to the Dr., SFZ.

re: #131 Guanxi88

Anywho, the night-soil man was one of the most-feared and respected of the lower classes - there were penalties for folk who were thought to be "holding out" on the emperor.

There's a filthy joke among some ROC types about the difference in government under the Reds on the mainland.

"in the old days, your sh*t fed the Emperor; under Mao, the Emperor feeds you sh*t" - or words to that effect. They assure me there's a wonderful symmetry to the phrase that cannot be conveyed in barbaric western languages.

Wow. I just visited their page:

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

They're coming for our seeds, too?

Speaking of Monty Python...

My first trip to Europe, I took the boat. In fact, I booked passage on a Russian ocean liner, the Mikhail Lermontov. She later sank off the coast of New Zealand.

The voyage to Bremerhaven, where I got off, took ten days, including day-long stops in Le Havre and Southampton. Those were the first two European cities I ever saw.

From Southampton I took the train up to London. People had told me not to miss trying real fish-and-chips. Others had said to go for the delicious British bacon.

So at a streetside pub window, I ordered fish-and-chips. Then I thought about it and added a side of bacon.

The guy at the counter dropped his jaw. Then, in a perfect Pythonesque East-Sider accent, he bellows: "'Ere, this 'ere gent wants bacon with his cod and chips! Bacon! With fish-and-chips! Everybody larf at this 'ere Yank!"

Which everybody did.

I wanted to sink into the pavement, but at the same time I was proud to provide a laugh to the poor gloomy Londoners.

I recommend doing the same thing if you ever get the chance. Lessons in humiliation rarely come cheaper.

Beck continues yesterday's crusade against 'social justice', urging people to leave churches that talk about it:

Beck: Social justice "is a perversion of the Gospel," "not what Jesus would say"

Audio at link.

Also:

Yesterday, Beck told his radio listeners to "look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. ... If you find [them], run as fast as you can. ... They are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"

As Joe Carter noted at First Things, taking Beck's advice would require all Roman Catholics to leave that church, since "Social Justice" is -- for Catholics as for almost every longstanding Christian denomination -- an integral aspect of the church's teaching. ("Social Justice" is, in fact, the title of Section One, Chapter Two, Article 3 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.)

re: #151 JasonA

Wow. I just visited their page:

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

They're coming for our seeds, too?

personally I recommend that you keep you seed to yourself :)

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

OT--I have a swollen and sore bit on the roof of my mouth. It's on one side, behind the back teeth. I can feel a corresponding bump on the other side of the mouth, but not swollen or painful.

When I swallow, feels like broken glass in ear. Is this a lymph node, or a salivary gland, or what, and is there anything I can do to bring it down?

Sounds unpleasant. Could be some sort of infection. At a minimum, the swelling and pain indicate inflammation of some sort, so something like Ibuprofen will probably help reduce it until you can get to a doctor. But I would recommend getting to a doctor as soon as possible if things don't diminish substantially by morning.

re: #151 JasonA

Wow. I just visited their page:

"Indestructible Survival Seed Bank Can Be Buried To Avoid Confiscation."

They're coming for our seeds, too?

And our other precious bodily fluids, yes.

re: #154 brookly red

personally I recommend that you keep you seed to yourself :)

That you, Onan?

re: #149 prairiefire

I think you should go to the Dr., SFZ.

Dentist. The doctor will send you back to the dentist.

I had a child almost chew through a novocaine-numbed cheek once.

Hamas has released a British journalist it had held for a month in Gaza, saying at a news conference that it suspects him of being a spy.

Mr Martin denied the allegation and said his release was a "great victory for the rights of journalists".

No charges were brought against Mr Martin, but he was made to leave Gaza on the orders of Hamas.

At the media conference senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahhar said he believed Mr Martin was "a spy".

"I address that he is a spy for Israel," Mr Zahar said, in response to a question in English from a journalist.

SNIP

re: #157 Guanxi88

Clever, clever.

Stephen Colbert is hilarious.

Hard to believe they're playing end-of-times commercials like this on television. I think Glenn Beck and Fox have managed to attain a new low in American popular culture. All that crazy talk about bartering seeds in troubled time.

All in all though it's another big rip-off being promoted by Glenn Beck. Not unlike those dirt bags at Goldline that sell their gold above market value.

Strange, strange news day. All sorts of misc stories that add up to ... I don't know what:

Roethlisberger plays the Bill Clinton defense:

Ben Roethlisberger Admits Sexual Contact But Not Intercourse with Accuser, According to TV Station

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger told police that he did not have sexual intercourse with the woman who has accused him of assault, according to anonymous sources cited by KDKA-TV.

The sources reportedly told the station that Roethlisberger spoke with Milledgeville, Ga. police on the night of the alleged assault and admitted sexual contact with the woman but said that it was not consummated. KDKA reports the sources said Roethlisberger told police the woman slipped and fell afterward, injuring her head.

Heh, when is sex not sex?

Walmart selling black Barbies for less than white ones?

When is a sale a sign of racism?

'Tea party' steeped in confusion

The term that evokes images of cups and saucers is now heavily associated with a political movement, muddling the identity of true tea enthusiasts.

Do True Conservatives drink true tea?

re: #160 EmmmieG

Clever, clever.

hip room we got tonight.

re: #153 iceweasel

Beck continues yesterday's crusade against 'social justice', urging people to leave churches that talk about it:

Beck: Social justice "is a perversion of the Gospel," "not what Jesus would say"

Audio at link.

Also:

That, of course, includes the entire Catholic Church, which has a doctrine on social justice that's included in the catechism.

Congrats, Beck. You just pissed off the Pope.

re: #162 freetoken

Strange, strange news day. All sorts of misc stories that add up to ... I don't know what:

Roethlisberger plays the Bill Clinton defense:

Ben Roethlisberger Admits Sexual Contact But Not Intercourse with Accuser, According to TV Station

Do True Conservatives drink true tea?

This one does, quite regularly. Pu erh, usually, but I'll stoop to drinking even something as awful as 5 buck a pound ban-cha if that's all I can have.

re: #157 Guanxi88

That you, Onan?

don't know that name... guessing I don't want to.

re: #153 iceweasel

Beck continues yesterday's crusade against 'social justice', urging people to leave churches that talk about it:

Beck: Social justice "is a perversion of the Gospel," "not what Jesus would say"

Audio at link.

Also:

Day 512 of Glenn Beck still being an idiot.

re: #166 brookly red

don't know that name... guessing I don't want to.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In the Biblical Book of Genesis, Onan (Hebrew: אוֹנָן, Modern Onan Tiberian ʾװnān ; Strong) was the second son of Judah.[1] Certain interpretations of the narrative concerning him have led to the term onanism, which means masturbation or coitus interruptus.

According to the text, after God had killed Onan's older brother Er, Judah asked Onan to have sexual intercourse with Tamar and impregnate her, the widow of Er, so that the child or children could be declared to be Er's heir(s).[2] Onan had sex with Tamar, but performed coitus interruptus each time, spilling his "seed" (semen) on the ground, so that there would not be any offspring which he could not claim as his own.[3] The passage states that this displeased God, who killed Onan as his punishment.[4]

re: #166 brookly red

don't know that name... guessing I don't want to.

Onan the Contrarian...never heard of him? He was known for whipping out his sword and beating himself to death.

re: #167 Gus 802

Day 512 of Glenn Beck still being an idiot.

so that would be considered a pre-existing condition?

re: #164 Cato the Elder

That, of course, includes the entire Catholic Church, which has a doctrine on social justice that's included in the catechism.

Congrats, Beck. You just pissed off the Pope.

Precisely. I guess all Catholics aren't true Christians, for Beck.

That should go over well-- with the segments of wingnuttery that believe the Church is the Whore of Babylon, or that the Pope is the antichrist. (they won't mind him sharing that title with Obama, in any case).

Where in the Gospels, pray, does Jesus not talk about social justice?

re: #153 iceweasel

So, do I have to change my bracelet to WWJND?*

*What Would Jesus Not Do? I bet I could sell them on Conservapedia.

re: #170 brookly red

so that would be considered a pre-existing condition?

Hmm, maybe. Although I hope they don't turn him away because he needs the mental health insurance coverage badly. /

re: #169 darthstar

Onan the Contrarian...never heard of him? He was known for whipping out his sword and beating himself to death.

no, I don't think he ever ran in my district...

You know, I'm thinking that those of us with elderly parents who watch Fox should check to see what their seed interest is these days. Or better, check their bank accounts. Geeze.

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Where in the Gospels, pray, does Jesus not talk about social justice?

Well, there was those three days there, but otherwise, that hippy never shut up on the subject.

Those evil, deceiving scientists and all their gobbledegook:

Scientists should stop deceiving us

re: #161 Gus 802

Hard to believe they're playing end-of-times commercials like this on television.

Have you never watched CBN? TBN? Whoa boy, the stuff they sell to the fearful...

re: #164 Cato the Elder

That, of course, includes the entire Catholic Church, which has a doctrine on social justice that's included in the catechism.

Congrats, Beck. You just pissed off the Pope.

Unholy Heathens Pope Man, Its the Moron Mormon and he's giving all of Christianity a bad name!

I know Altar Boy we need to head to the Pop Mobile and FAST!

re: #177 Guanxi88

Well, there was those three days there, but otherwise, that hippy never shut up on the subject.

How different is the Jesus in the Book of Mormon from the Jesus of the Gospels? And do Mormons read the traditional Gospels, or are they replaced entirely by the BoM?

I am woefully ignorant on the subject.

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

Have you never watched CBN? TBN? Whoa boy, the stuff they sell to the fearful...

And tacky. Gah! have you ever seen such sets? All the furniture they have could have been swiped one of of Saddam's appallingly decorated palaces.

And don't even start me on the hair on these people.

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Where in the Gospels, pray, does Jesus not talk about social justice?

Here you go:

Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church

Vatican web site.

re: #168 Guanxi88

God hates the pull-out method.

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Where in the Gospels, pray, does Jesus not talk about social justice?

That's exactly the point Fred Clark makes over at slacktivist-- the link I gave under the audio. It's worth a read:

This is an astonishing claim to anyone who's ever had a Bible and their eyes open at the same time. Justice is an inescapable, relentless, pervasive, nearly omnipresent theme of that entire volume. It is impossible to read the law and the prophets, the Gospels and epistles, the histories, wisdom literature and apocalypse without being confronted incessantly with the theme of justice, justice, justice, justice, justice, justice, justice.

That accounts for justice, in the Christian teaching of every Christian church, being regarded as a cardinal virtue and an attribute of God.

I'm guessing that Beck would argue that he's not opposing justice per se, only "social justice" -- which he sees as a "code word" for Nazicommunism or something. But this is nonsense. Not just the slander that every Christian from the original disciples on down is a Nazicommunist, but the very idea that it's possible to speak of "justice" as distinct from "social justice."

Justice is, by definition, social. Justice, by definition, is something that exists only between and among individuals and groups of individuals and groups of groups. One might argue that "social justice" is redundant, but one cannot oppose "social justice" without opposing justice itself.

(I can't even imagine what "individual justice" might mean. Perhaps some kind of self-help therapeutic babble -- "You need to be fair to you ..." Or maybe the title of a violent action movie starring Vin Diesel as a judge whose daughter has been kidnapped by drug dealers.)

That trailblazers of wingnuttery like Glenn Beck would explicitly condemn justice itself shouldn't be surprising. You'll recall that just a few months ago, Beck and his allies (including most of the Republican caucus in Congress) were loudly railing against a related prerequisite virtue, empathy.

Yes, that's right, they said empathy was bad. Once they decided that, then it was only a matter of time before they were bound to come out against justice as well, because empathy is the foundation of justice. (See if you can arrive at some conception of justice that does not rely upon empathy. No philosopher, ethicist or religious genius ever yet has managed to do so.)

Let me be clear: When Glenn Beck asserts that justice is incompatible with the Gospel and with the teachings of Christ, he is not following the Pauline/Augustinian argument that perfect love transcends justice ("Justice that is only justice is less than justice," in Reinhold Niebuhr's phrase). He is, rather, saying that justice itself is a bad thing.

Glenn Beck is anti-justice. And he's telling his radio audience that Jesus Christ was anti-justice. It's hard to see how that doesn't make Glenn Beck anti-Christ. (The word there is an adjective, but the noun would also seem to fit.)

re: #153 iceweasel

Beck continues yesterday's crusade against 'social justice', urging people to leave churches that talk about it:

Beck: Social justice "is a perversion of the Gospel," "not what Jesus would say"

Audio at link.

Also:

What's with this pansy-ass lovey-dovey Savior shit?

My Christ kicks ass and takes names from the back of a raptor!

Image: JesusRidingDinosaur.jpg

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re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

Have you never watched CBN? TBN? Whoa boy, the stuff they sell to the fearful...

Haven't watched TV in years.

re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth

God hates the pull-out method.

Violates the first commandment ever given to our common ancestors: Be fruitful and multiply, or so I've been told. I know the sages didn't approve of the method, preferring an "absorbent" as they called to prevent conception.

re: #187 Gus 802

Haven't watched TV in years.

this buds for you...

re: #181 Cato the Elder

How different is the Jesus in the Book of Mormon from the Jesus of the Gospels? And do Mormons read the traditional Gospels, or are they replaced entirely by the BoM?

I am woefully ignorant on the subject.

a. Not different.

B. We read the Old and New Testament, and the Book of Mormon as well.

Please remember that Glenn Beck is giving you his interpretation, and he is a convert. That said, the LDS welfare (there is such a thing) requires that people do some sort of work (adjusted to physical abilities, etc.) to receive help.

re: #187 Gus 802

Haven't watched TV in years.

You're not missing much.

re: #189 brookly red

this buds for you...

Thanks.

So all you West Coasters..If you want to look like a genius tonight in front of your significant other.. Turn on Jeopardy tonight for the final Question..
It's a trick question..What country has the most number of Nuclear Reactors?
Everyone would guess France
It's the USA

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Where in the Gospels, pray, does Jesus not talk about social justice?

I'm pretty sure he takes a break somewhere along the line to damn a fig tree into oblivion.

re: #187 Gus 802

Haven't watched TV in years.

Don't worry - my wife's picked up the slack for you. I hope i don't die during the season-premiere of 24, cause if I do, the cats will eat me before she notices.

re: #162 freetoken

Walmart selling black Barbies for less than white ones?

When is a sale a sign of racism?

Unfortunately, the Black Barbies are probably not selling as well as the White Barbies so they do have to move them (what they said in the article). I imagine in a large Metropolitan city, you wouldn't see that.

Not racism, capitalism, but I think a sad commentary nevertheless.

re: #190 EmmmieG

a. Not different.

B. We read the Old and New Testament, and the Book of Mormon as well.

Please remember that Glenn Beck is giving you his interpretation, and he is a convert. That said, the LDS welfare (there is such a thing) requires that people do some sort of work (adjusted to physical abilities, etc.) to receive help.

/"Adjusted to physical abilities..." You know to me that sounds a lot like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs..." BECKS A COMMUNIST!

re: #196 marjoriemoon

Unfortunately, the Black Barbies are probably not selling as well as the White Barbies so they do have to move them (what they said in the article). I imagine in a large Metropolitan city, you wouldn't see that.

Not racism, capitalism, but I think a sad commentary nevertheless.

On consumers, or production managers?

re: #191 Guanxi88

You're not missing much.

Yeah, but you mentioned a doc on conspiracy theories this morning that sounded good! Who aired it? I want to find it online.

re: #186 Girth

What's with this pansy-ass lovey-dovey Savior shit?

My Christ kicks ass and takes names from the back of a raptor!

[Link: i256.photobucket.com...]

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That IS awesome. :)

re: #197 jamesfirecat

/"Adjusted to physical abilities..." You know to me that sounds a lot like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs..." BECKS A COMMUNIST!

Socialist at the very least...

Remember he educated himself with library books paid for by community funds.

re: #198 SixDegrees

On consumers, or production managers?

is it like a Barbie minstral?...or a separate, renamed doll?

re: #199 iceweasel

Yeah, but you mentioned a doc on conspiracy theories this morning that sounded good! Who aired it? I want to find it online.

That was on the Independent Film Channel. The producers posted the whole thing - in 9 parts - on Youtube:

for part 1:

here's their youtube channel:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

re: #201 Girth

Socialist at the very least...

Remember he educated himself with library books paid for by community funds.

Best argument EVAR for more funding for libraries.

Beck's bookmobile appears to have been shorted.

re: #201 Girth

Socialist at the very least...

Remember he educated himself with library books paid for by community funds.

wow... that can go in like 12 different snarky directions. I think I just hit the comment lottery :)

re: #198 SixDegrees

On consumers, or production managers?

Consumers. It could mean they don't have a large enough Black population, or at least of those who shop there. And I'm a diversity kinda gal.

My ex's family was from Southern Alabama. Nice town, but very segregated. Not "official" of course (well I don't think so), but the Blacks stayed on their side of town and the Whites stayed on theirs. I don't care for it.

re: #203 Guanxi88

Thanks so much-- bookmarked and will watch later tonight. I loved IFC when I still had cable.

re: #9 zora

we should only trade in gold and seeds.
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well...and marijuana, which could form the basis of a solid currency...oops.

(too much?)

re: #207 iceweasel

Thanks so much-- bookmarked and will watch later tonight. I loved IFC when I still had cable.

I got me three kids - cable's the only way we can all get our Spongebob fix. Oh, and Penguins of Madagascar.

re: #202 albusteve

is it like a Barbie minstral?...or a separate, renamed doll?

There's a link there showing it. The dolls are pretty identical other than color and hair.

[Link: caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com...]

Today is a nice, sunny day, even if it is a bit chilly. I knew it would be, I check the weather reports, and I have planned ahead by marinating a nice Tri-Tip overnight. Time to start the coals and get busy.

Later Lizards.

re: #202 albusteve

It is this one. Ballerina Teresa Barbie

re: #206 marjoriemoon

Consumers. It could mean they don't have a large enough Black population, or at least of those who shop there. And I'm a diversity kinda gal.

My ex's family was from Southern Alabama. Nice town, but very segregated. Not "official" of course (well I don't think so), but the Blacks stayed on their side of town and the Whites stayed on theirs. I don't care for it.

eh. it was somebody's job to estimate the demand properly. i blame the inventory management, having always had to fend off the blame myself when too much or too little product was on the shelf in a prior job...

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

eh. it was somebody's job to estimate the demand properly. i blame the inventory management, having always had to fend off the blame myself when too much or too little product was on the shelf in a prior job...

Could be that for sure.

re: #210 marjoriemoon

There's a link there showing it. The dolls are pretty identical other than color and hair.

[Link: caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com...]

they appear to be sepaarte dolls, feature wise...I couldn't believe they would simply take the original and alter the color

re: #17 Thanos

Run away!

re: #215 albusteve

they appear to be sepaarte dolls, feature wise...I couldn't believe they would simply take the original and alter the color

no the did make proportional distinctions...

I think it's time for ICEWEASEL and the CATOBOT to stop horsing around here and work on ripping Beck a rhetorical new one.

For great social justice!

re: #200 iceweasel

That IS awesome. :)

It's pretty good, but it's no Bea Arthur, KILLING MACHINE.

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Where in the Gospels, pray, does Jesus not talk about social justice?

Social justices as a choice that each individual makes, not as something enforced by secular authorities. The social justice movement is about enforcing equality of outcome through law.

re: #218 Cato the Elder

I think it's time for ICEWEASEL and the CATOBOT to stop horsing around here and work on ripping Beck a rhetorical new one.

For great social justice!

there is no new one...it's all been ripped long ago

re: #218 Cato the Elder

I think it's time for ICEWEASEL and the CATOBOT to stop horsing around here and work on ripping Beck a rhetorical new one.

For great social justice!

My neighbours appear to have gotten a puppy, or left someone's puppy alone in their apartment. It's been crying for the last hour. :(

These are new neighbours and I don't have their cell number. I may have to leave them a strongly worded note if this continues...
(I couldn't care less about noise, just the puppy)

re: #220 KingKenrod

Social justices as a choice that each individual makes, not as something enforced by secular authorities. The social justice movement is about enforcing equality of outcome through law.

Bullshit. At least as it pertains to the Church. Shove that wingnuttery where the sun don't shine in your back door.

Re-post this morning... because it's just (IMO) disgusting. Wanted to share.

I'm kind like that.

I am someone who shares.

re: #222 iceweasel

My neighbours appear to have gotten a puppy, or left someone's puppy alone in their apartment. It's been crying for the last hour. :(

These are new neighbours and I don't have their cell number. I may have to leave them a strongly worded note if this continues...
(I couldn't care less about noise, just the puppy)

If they're gone for more than a day, you may have to call animal services.

Twitter can be kind of creepy in a way; if you search for your name, it's a bit like being a fly on the wall, listening to people who hate you as they chatter back and forth.

This was just tweeted by "JammieWearingFool," a backstabbing asshole who registered a sock puppet account here in order to post nasty comments full of insults -- after I had trusted him to be an LGF monitor, and let him get away with pimping his blog non-stop at LGF for years.

If a GOP aide was caught working for al Qaeda, Charles Johnson's ponytail would stand up straight. Funny how he's silent today...

Then it was promptly retweeted by Melissa Clouthier, because it's just so much fun to bash me, I guess.

What are they talking about? This story, about an American in Yemen who is apparently hooked up with Al Qaeda: Buena man is accused of al Qaeda-related terrorist attack in Yemen %P% - NJ.com.

Was he actually a "Democratic aide?" This is where the story gets really, really stupid.

Campaign finance records show Mobley received $75 as an election day worker for Gov. Jon Corzine's campaign in 2005.

So this guy worked ONE DAY for Corzine's campaign, probably distributing flyers or something, and made $75 whole dollars, and now all of a sudden he's being described by these crackheads as being connected to the Democratic Party.

The stupidity gives me a headache sometimes.

re: #220 KingKenrod

Social justices as a choice that each individual makes, not as something enforced by secular authorities. The social justice movement is about enforcing equality of outcome through law.

Except that Beck is talking about social justice being preached as part of a church doctrine, do you have a problem with that?

re: #220 KingKenrod

Social justices as a choice that each individual makes, not as something enforced by secular authorities. The social justice movement is about enforcing equality of outcome through law.

Right, because we all know that the citizenry will just do the right thing all the time without need for legal intervention. Sort of like the way that worked with civil rights and gender equality. They would have closed down the child labor factories on their own.

Unlikely.

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Re-post this morning... because it's just (IMO) disgusting. Wanted to share.

I'm kind like that.

I am someone who shares.

I really fail to see anything wrong, much less disgusting, in that story.

re: #228 Gus 802

Right, because we all know that the citizenry will just do the right thing all the time without need for legal intervention. Sort of like the way that worked with civil rights and gender equality. They would have closed down the child labor factories on their own.

Unlikely.

and it seems that "human trafficking" is at an all time high...

re: #225 Cato the Elder

If they're gone for more than a day, you may have to call animal services.

Damn straight I would.
It's also a violation of the lease here to have a dog in the first place.
I wouldn't ever rat someone out for that, but I'll call animal services if they don't come home in the nest 24 hours.

I don't know these folks yet but they've been decent neighbours so far. I'm not even sure it's their dog and not a houseguest's. That might explain why the dog is crying too-- being alone in a new place while they're all out to dinner or something.
I'll be monitoring the situation and will report back.

re: #222 iceweasel

My neighbours appear to have gotten a puppy, or left someone's puppy alone in their apartment. It's been crying for the last hour. :(

These are new neighbours and I don't have their cell number. I may have to leave them a strongly worded note if this continues...
(I couldn't care less about noise, just the puppy)

suggestion: if you can find some way to enter, give teh puppeh lots of food and water and let it otherwise run free...

re: #225 Cato the Elder

If they're gone for more than a day, you may have to call animal services.

I'd make a great puppy sitter, reasonably priced too...more than a day is definitely abusive, but leaving them alone is not

re: #229 Cato the Elder

Well, okay then.

re: #230 brookly red

and it seems that "human trafficking" is at an all time high...

Outside the United States.

re: #208 Aceofwhat?

well...and marijuana, which could form the basis of a solid currency...oops.

(too much?)

re: #235 Gus 802

Outside the United States.

I think all around, but I got no data.

re: #231 iceweasel

Damn straight I would.
It's also a violation of the lease here to have a dog in the first place.
I wouldn't ever rat someone out for that, but I'll call animal services if they don't come home in the nest 24 hours.

I don't know these folks yet but they've been decent neighbours so far. I'm not even sure it's their dog and not a houseguest's. That might explain why the dog is crying too-- being alone in a new place while they're all out to dinner or something.
I'll be monitoring the situation and will report back.

if you need anybody to kick the door in, I'm available

re: #220 KingKenrod

Social justices as a choice that each individual makes, not as something enforced by secular authorities. The social justice movement is about enforcing equality of outcome through law.

Yes. Christ was not about the kingdom of earth but about the kingdom of Heaven.

re: #238 albusteve

if you need anybody to kick the door in, I'm available

Me too.

re: #204 iceweasel

Best argument EVAR for more funding for libraries.

Beck's bookmobile appears to have been shorted.

Beck's bookmobile.

re: #236 Jimmah

[Video]

ha! as a Yank, i don't get to hear 'hundredweight' often as a lyric...loving it...

re: #232 Aceofwhat?

suggestion: if you can find some way to enter, give teh puppeh lots of food and water and let it otherwise run free...

I can't. These folks moved in at the beginning of the month. I had the old neighbours key and his phone numbers but gave the key back to him when he left. He wouldn't still have the keys now either.

If I still had the old key I think I would let myself in, but it's only been going on for an hour and a half or so. Like I said, I think they're just out to dinner. Hope so.

re: #238 albusteve

if you need anybody to kick the door in, I'm available

but she has boots...

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

OT--I have a swollen and sore bit on the roof of my mouth. It's on one side, behind the back teeth. I can feel a corresponding bump on the other side of the mouth, but not swollen or painful.

When I swallow, feels like broken glass in ear. Is this a lymph node, or a salivary gland, or what, and is there anything I can do to bring it down?

Sounds like inflammation/infection of the adenoids or tonsils affecting the eustachian tubes (thus the ear pain) and/or middle ear inflammation/infection. Tylenol may give you some relief, but you should have it looked at.

re: #238 albusteve

if you need anybody to kick the door in, I'm available

I have called the cops on people who leave their dogs locked in hot cars on summer days. It's now against the law in Maryland.

Once the lady who owned the car came back before the cops arrived. With three kids in tow. She proceeded to cuss me out in front of her kids in language that would make Mandy blush.

Nice way to teach your kids about respect for animals.

re: #239 MandyManners

Yes. Christ was not about the kingdom of earth but about the kingdom of Heaven.

Bullshit again.

re: #244 Aceofwhat?

but she has boots...

I use the top of my head...

re: #243 iceweasel

I can't. These folks moved in at the beginning of the month. I had the old neighbours key and his phone numbers but gave the key back to him when he left. He wouldn't still have the keys now either.

If I still had the old key I think I would let myself in, but it's only been going on for an hour and a half or so. Like I said, I think they're just out to dinner. Hope so.

i just think that all of the little puppy "gifts" on the floors around the joint would be a fitting retribution. oh well.

re: #226 Charles

JWF also has a thread on his blog refuting the Rush "Massa" quote from yesterday. I didn't take him seriously enough to look into it.

re: #246 Cato the Elder