Here’s a picture of willful ignorance and appalling stupidity, as ABC News Nightline interviews young earth creationist Don McLeroy — the head of the Texas State Board of Education. Nightline correctly points out that the fundamentalist right wing agenda of Neanderthals like McLeroy is influencing education in the entire country; a wake-up call for anyone who still believes in the separation of church and state.
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 10:59:08am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:00:45am |
‘Religious Right’ and ‘Political Right’ should NOT be the same thing…
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Tumulus11 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:00:54am |
. This kook and his creepy colleagues need to be given wide exposure.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:01:53am |
re: #2 Oh no…Sand People!
‘Religious Right’ and ‘Political Right’ should NOT be the same thing…
Sadly, they have been for the better part of three decades. It just took a while for the rest of the GOP to notice.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:04:20am |
Funny, for some reason The Panda’s Thumb doesn’t seem to be following these developments too closely. They were all over the Dover case, a few years ago.
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Ice-9 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:04:22am |
Why do I get the feeling that this doorknob is the one out of five dentists who do not recommend their patients chew sugarless gum.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:05:00am |
Behold, lacertae et lacerti, my new avatar and motto!
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:05:03am |
Here’s a comical take on this from Faux News.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:05:52am |
“The men did it for the women!”
///And might I add that blacks never would have been able to vote or be free if countless white men hadn’t laid down their lives to put down the the Confederacy, so if you ask me I think somebody owes us a long overdue appology…….
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teleskiguy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:06:00am |
To paraphrase the late-great Bill Hicks:
Don McLeroy: “I believe God created me in one day.”
teleskiguy: “Looks like He rushed it.”
You ever notice that people who don’t believe in evolution look really unevolved?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:06:24am |
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Lidane Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:06:45am |
re: #6 Ice-9
You realize you just insulted doorknobs, right? ;)
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:06:47am |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It certainly isn’t ruthless efficiency.
Or a fantatical devotion to the Pope…
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:07:06am |
Geesh, hate it, but I must leave.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:07:27am |
re: #14 Oh no…Sand People!
Or a fantatical devotion to the Pope…
He does make me fear for the future of our great nation (or at least its ability to remain great) though….
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:07:39am |
Here is a video of science education is Texas under the new curriculum.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:08:23am |
re: #14 Oh no…Sand People!
Or a fantatical devotion to the Pope…
PAPAL PIMP FOR THE WHORE OF BABYLON!
///
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:09:01am |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
He does make me fear for the future of our great nation (or at least its ability to remain great) though…
As well it should. Everything he stands for is antithetical to America and her foundations.
Again, wrapped in the flag, they destroy America to save America.
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:09:07am |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
Here is a video of science education is Texas under the new curriculum.
[Video]
lol… OR: metacafe.com
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Cineaste Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:10:07am |
Maybe we all shouldn’t be that opposed to Texas separatists? Let ‘em go.
They can educate their children to be uneducated sheep who make things out of wood and steel and we can have educated children who create the future with technology.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:10:30am |
re: #7 Cato the Elder
Behold, lacertae et lacerti, my new avatar and motto!
I liked the old one better. We’ve already got one avatar that expresses ignorance.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:10:55am |
re: #21 Cineaste
Maybe we all shouldn’t be that opposed to Texas separatists? Let ‘em go.
They can educate their children to be uneducated sheep who make things out of wood and steel and we can have educated children who create the future with technology.
Yes, but eventually the Morlocks will get hungry….
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:11:30am |
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:11:55am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:12:07am |
re: #20 recusancy
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of truth to that.
People in this culture still have a hard time dealing with a woman who can speak her mind in an educated way.
If she is good at the dreaded mathematics - well that proves she is smarter.
And you can’t have a woman be openly smart can you?
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abbyadams Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:13:02am |
re: #1 recusancy
This is true - people think that it’s just TX that will be affected. Textbook companies pick CA and TX to “test drive” the editions that are distributed all over the country.
I wonder why they chose those two states?
/
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:14:11am |
And by the way…
“Whites only” curricula?
Anyone who claims that the right in America is not racist will be bitten.
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:14:17am |
re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of truth to that.
People in this culture still have a hard time dealing with a woman who can speak her mind in an educated way.
If she is good at the dreaded mathematics - well that proves she is smarter.
And you can’t have a woman be openly smart can you?
yeah… Then when she asserts herself she’s suddenly “catty” or “pushy” or “bitchy”.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:14:30am |
Not only do these people make my brain hurt, they make the Lord baby Jesus weep…and stupid.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:14:33am |
re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of truth to that.
People in this culture still have a hard time dealing with a woman who can speak her mind in an educated way.
If she is good at the dreaded mathematics - well that proves she is smarter.
And you can’t have a woman be openly smart can you?
Chicks who can differentiate and integrate are sexy.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:14:47am |
Something to keep in mind: Fundamentalist agitation and power at this level is really something fairly new, a product of the past 25 years or so. Before that, back to the time of the Scopes Monkey Trial at least, creationism in particular did not play any significant role in Texas education. (The Scopes trial occurred in Tennessee but was closely followed in Texas.)
I went to high school in Texas in the 60s. Creationism was something a few of the really weird kids would bring up once in a while, only to have the teacher patiently explain that a particular religious idea would not, and legally could not, trump science in a public school classroom. I certainly don’t remember any creationist teachers or administrators. For that matter, our Southern Baptist pastor scoffed at creationism as the product of simplistic literalism.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:15:30am |
re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of truth to that.
People in this culture still have a hard time dealing with a woman who can speak her mind in an educated way.
If she is good at the dreaded mathematics - well that proves she is smarter.
And you can’t have a woman be openly smart can you?
Heck no! Harpies tryin’ to emasculate men, I tell you whut!
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:15:40am |
re: #32 Girth
Chicks who can differentiate and integrate are sexy.
I love girls who are into pi.
bowchickabowwow
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:16:26am |
re: #32 Girth
Chicks who can differentiate and integrate are sexy.
I certainly think so…
Would you believe that one of the most intensely provocative conversations I ever had was about gauge symmetries and current densities.
But then again brilliant women are a turn on for me.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:16:44am |
re: #30 recusancy
yeah… Then when she asserts herself she’s suddenly “catty” or “pushy” or “bitchy”.
“Cause we still can’t handle, a leader with a rack!”
Capital Steps — Leader Like Barack song parody of “Leader of the Pack”
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webevintage Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:16:47am |
This all just a ploy to get all us liberal, secular humanist types to homeschool our kids in the future.
/
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Lidane Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:17:46am |
What kills me is that these videos now have more to offer than the SBOE curriculum, and it’s thanks to imbeciles like McLeroy:
*sigh*
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:18:53am |
re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote
Would you believe that one of the most intensely provocative conversations I ever had was about gauge symmetries and current densities.
I have absolutely no problem believing that. :)
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:19:26am |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
‘cept they’ll be wearing Wranglers, a cowboy hat, and big belt buckles.
“Howdy, Ma’am. I’m sorry to bother ya’ll, but we hear tell you’re some kinda witch thingy.”
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:21:26am |
re: #22 darthstar
Maybe the ultimate one would be a recursive one of Calvin peeing on Calvin peeing on… and it’s Calvins all the way down.
Though that might be taken as an unintended insult on Bill Watterson.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:21:27am |
re: #41 iceweasel
I have absolutely no problem believing that. :)
Well that is because you know me :)
re: #42 theheat
‘cept they’ll be wearing Wranglers, a cowboy hat, and big belt buckles.
“Howdy, Ma’am. I’m sorry to bother ya’ll, but we hear tell you’re some kinda witch thingy.”
Unless she weren’t white. Then the language would be a lot more abusive.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:22:21am |
Why does this dentist remind me of the movie “Marathon Man”?
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:22:23am |
re: #44 LudwigVanQuixote
Then she’d be an uppity witch, right?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:23:44am |
re: #45 Cato the Elder
Why does this dentist remind me of the movie “Marathon Man”?
Really? I got Little shop of Horrors….
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:24:19am |
re: #46 theheat
Then she’d be an uppity witch, right?
Handy male/female translation services:
He’s tough/she’s a bitch
He’s aggressive/she’s a ballbreaker
He’s successful/she must have slept with someone
etc.
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Ojoe Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:25:23am |
Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbiiith.™
Modern Whig Party on Science and Education:
EDUCATION AND SCIENTIFIC ADVANCEMENT - Increase public and private emphasis on math and science to promote American innovation to compete in the global economy.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:25:31am |
re: #21 Cineaste
Maybe we all shouldn’t be that opposed to Texas separatists? Let ‘em go.
They can educate their children to be uneducated sheep who make things out of wood and steel and we can have educated children who create the future with technology.
Would you really want to condemn all those poor innocents to that kind of mind control and abuse? Your lack of compassion astounds me. The only reason I have not downdinged you is because I feel sorry for your lack of common sense!
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:25:43am |
As a prospective Earth Science teacher at some point, I refuse to teach Creationism against naturalistic earth history and evolution. If the parents want to teach their kids parables and metaphorical passages as literal truth, they can do it at home or in the church. It has no business in the classroom, and I will not teach it.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:25:49am |
re: #45 Cato the Elder
Why does this dentist remind me of the movie “Marathon Man”?
He reminds me a lot of the unfortunate chap in Scanners:
(WARNING: Graphic effects)
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:26:34am |
re: #50 theheat
Guilty on all counts!
/ evil laugh
Ditto!
Fairly certain all those have been said about me at one time or another, along with other worse things.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:26:54am |
Meanwhile, the stalkers are still at it in the second Dangerous Minds thread:
Check out the sick comment from “Marla.” Some of these people are so twisted it’s almost beyond belief.
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Ojoe Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:27:00am |
re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I hate the number pi, it is an ugly number.
It shows, IMHO, that nature does not really contain circles.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:27:35am |
re: #48 iceweasel
Handy male/female translation services:
He’s tough/she’s a bitch
He’s aggressive/she’s a ballbreaker
He’s successful/she must have slept with someoneetc.
Upding! So true my friend, so true!
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:27:41am |
re: #51 Ojoe
Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbiiith.™
Modern Whig Party on Science and Education:
EDUCATION AND SCIENTIFIC ADVANCEMENT - Increase public and private emphasis on math and science to promote American innovation to compete in the global economy.
Those principles look just like the Democratic party principles (except the state responsibility one).
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:28:04am |
re: #56 Charles
Meanwhile, the stalkers are still at it in the second Dangerous Minds thread:
[Link: www.dangerousminds.net…]
Check out the sick comment from “Marla.” Some of these people are so twisted it’s almost beyond belief.
She could have just as easily written “I know you are, but what am I?”
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:28:58am |
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Ojoe Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:29:42am |
re: #59 recusancy
Except the Democrats say fiscal responsibility & then propose tripling the national debt.
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:30:01am |
re: #57 Ojoe
I hate the number pi, it is an ugly number.
It shows, IMHO, that nature does not really contain circles.
I prefer Phi.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:31:01am |
re: #56 Charles
Sorta busts that “Charles is gay” fantasy other detractors spend so much time on. Maybe they’re schizophrenic?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:32:04am |
Students who understand Earth’s geological age are more likely to accept human evolution
A new study has determined that high school and college students who understand the geological age of the Earth (4.5 billion years) are much more likely to understand and accept human evolution.
The study, carried out by researchers at the University of Minnesota, could give educators a new strategy for teaching evolution, since the Earth’s age is typically covered in physical rather than biological science classes.
Researchers Sehoya Cotner and Randy Moore, professors in College of Biological Sciences, and D. Christopher Brooks, of the university’s Office of Information Technology, surveyed 400 students enrolled in several sections of a University of Minnesota introductory biology course for non-majors.
The survey included questions about knowledge of evolution and whether students were taught evolution or creationism in high school as well as questions about religious and political views.
Participation was voluntary and had no effect on grades for the course.
The researchers extracted six variables from the survey to explore factors that contributed to students’ views about the age of the Earth and origins of life and the relation of those beliefs to students’ knowledge of evolution and their vote in the 2008 presidential election.
Using that information, they created a model that shows, for example, when a student’s religious and political views are liberal, they are more likely to believe that the Earth is billions, rather than thousands, of years old and to know more about evolution.
Conversely, students with conservative religious and political views are more inclined to think the Earth is much younger (20,000 years or less) and to know less about evolution.
“The role of the Earth’s age is a key variable that we can use to improve education about evolution, which is important because it is the unifying principle of biology,” said lead author Sehoya Cotner, associate professor in the Biology Program, which provides general biology classes for University of Minnesota undergraduates.
Through this and previous surveys, Cotner and her colleagues have learned that 2 percent of students are taught creationism only, 22 percent are taught evolution and creationism, 14 are taught neither and 62 percent evolution only.
“In other words, about one in four high school biology teachers in the upper Midwest are giving students the impression that creationism is a viable explanation for the origins of life on Earth,” Cotner said.
“That’s just not acceptable. The Constitution prohibits teaching creationism in schools,” Cotner added. (ANI)
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Cineaste Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:32:31am |
re: #52 Dragon_Lady
Would you really want to condemn all those poor innocents to that kind of mind control and abuse? Your lack of compassion astounds me. The only reason I have not downdinged you is because I feel sorry for your lack of common sense!
We can only protect those that want to be protected. I feel sorry for those children but Texas has decided that they, as a state, want to do that to themselves. I have more compassion for the parents of children in Africa who desperately want their children to learn reading, math and technical skills in school but don’t have the access to schools.
That being said, I think it was assumed that my comment was sarcastic in nature even though I didn’t include a “/”…
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:32:45am |
re: #62 Ojoe
Except the Democrats say fiscal responsibility & then propose tripling the national debt.
While Republicans say fiscal Responsibility and then proceed to start two wars and lower taxes at the same time.
I can wait to find out what wacky hijinks your party gets into while saying fiscal responsibility!
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recusancy Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:32:53am |
re: #62 Ojoe
Except the Democrats say fiscal responsibility & then propose tripling the national debt.
A bit of an exageration there, but, you put a Whig in power and I’m pretty sure they won’t let the country die on their principles either. Sometimes depressions need to be averted.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:32:56am |
And they’re still ranting at Boing Boing too: Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs: The Metzger interview - Boing Boing.
sillyputty • #17 • 09:22 on Fri, Mar.12 • Reply
fascinating to see the lefty mind at work. it says i stand on the side of science and progress and tolerance but what this really means at lgf is that i am biased towards atheism and darwinism and will not allow others to oppose me. the stench of authoritarianism is strong and you can see it especially concerning creationism and global warming.
in the metzger interview you can see this when they discuss how evil right wingers want to impose their backward and evil plans on us not realizing that everyone doing policy in the public square is doing this. but i guess nodding your head in agreement with each other is enought thought at lgf.
This freak was banned from LGF after a review of its comments showed that it was a raving anti-Muslim bigot. Imagine my shock to find out that it’s also a creationist.
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:35:51am |
re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of truth to that.
People in this culture still have a hard time dealing with a woman who can speak her mind in an educated way.
If she is good at the dreaded mathematics - well that proves she is smarter.
And you can’t have a woman be openly smart can you?
when I got my B.S. in mathematics, Zedushka was so jealous that he went back to college so that he could get a degree in math too!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:36:22am |
re: #70 Alouette
when I got my B.S. in mathematics, Zedushka was so jealous that he went back to college so that he could get a degree in math too!
But math is hard!
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:36:34am |
re: #69 Charles
And they’re still ranting at Boing Boing too: Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs: The Metzger interview - Boing Boing.
This freak was banned from LGF after a review of its comments showed that it was raving anti-Muslim bigot. Imagine my shock to find out that it’s also a creationist.
I would have banned him simply for the bad grammar and poor sentence construction.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:36:57am |
re: #21 Cineaste
Maybe we all shouldn’t be that opposed to Texas separatists? Let ‘em go.
They can educate their children to be uneducated sheep who make things out of wood and steel and we can have educated children who create the future with technology.
Texas has something you cannot do without.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:38:42am |
re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What you said.
Science, and especially natural sciences including basic geology, biology and paleontology, need to be taught at the high school level!!!!
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:39:12am |
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:39:19am |
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:39:23am |
re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Students who understand Earth’s geological age are more likely to accept human evolution
A few years back I volunteered to help coach the local high school freshman football team. If you have experience in a sport and this kind of opportunity arises, take it, it was so much fun and so rewarding.
The worst moment that season was when I was in a SUV with a couple of the other coaches and their kids who were on the team. We were going to another town to watch the varsity play. From the back I heard one of the kids say that in a few weeks they were going to be studying evolution in biology class and that his mom was going to write him a note so he would be excused from class that week. “I didn’t come from a monkey,” was an exact quote I can remember.
So much I wanted to say, but I just bit my lip. I never could look at that kid or his father the same way after that.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:39:50am |
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:41:21am |
re: #77 Girth
A few years back I volunteered to help coach the local high school freshman football team. If you have experience in a sport and this kind of opportunity arises, take it, it was so much fun and so rewarding.
The worst moment that season was when I was in a SUV with a couple of the other coaches and their kids who were on the team. We were going to another town to watch the varsity play. From the back I heard one of the kids say that in a few weeks they were going to be studying evolution in biology class and that his mom was going to write him a note so he would be excused from class that week. “I didn’t come from a monkey,” was an exact quote I can remember.
So much I wanted to say, but I just bit my lip. I never could look at that kid or his father the same way after that.
“Dear Teacher, please do not teach my child any subject which has changed since 1500 AD.”
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webevintage Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:41:42am |
What Don McLeroy is doing in Texas is exactly what may in the future prompt the Feds to step in with national textbook standards.
I would assume that this is not what he (and those like him) would want to happen.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:42:11am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
Guess they’ll need to ban water too. Too much has been known to kill people.
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:42:22am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
Next, people will have to get on a scale before they can enter a restaurant. Whoever is above the recommended weight, NO ENTRY!
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:42:36am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
Hi Cato! Bland foods? Nah, I suspect you’re upset because - given your nic - you got paid in salt when you were drafted into the Roman army, and invested it all in pretzel futures!
;-)
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:43:05am |
re: #56 Charles
Speaking of
clean windows, powerful gasoline, and a shoeshine.
is Metzger’s Firesign Theater interview a good listen?
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:43:20am |
re: #80 webevintage
When they say they don’t want more government control, it’s only when they aren’t the government majority. (Funny how that works.) This is why the GOP is stacking the deck in the Texas education department.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:43:42am |
re: #2 Oh no…Sand People!
‘Religious Right’ and ‘Political Right’ should NOT be the same thing…
Exactly correct. They should not be the same thing; unfortunately, it more and more appears that they are.
I am religious.
I live a conservative life, and while I prefer to see smaller government, I do recognize the need (and the moral correctness) for providing safety-net sorts of social programs for those needing it; and I believe science and religion are perfectly compatible, thankyewverymuch.
The current Republican party and the current “right-wing” are not what I recognize as the sort of conservative I am.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:43:47am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
How can you even cook properly (and preserve food) without salt?
(yes I know people do it, but that does not make it right or enjoyable or not against the natural order.)
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:43:48am |
re: #57 Ojoe
I hate the number pi, it is an ugly number.
It shows, IMHO, that nature does not really contain circles.
Wasn’t it _Flatland_ where the caste of the 2D beings was set by how many sides they had (the more the higher)? And they had their annual visit from the Third Dimension as well…
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:44:47am |
re: #80 webevintage
What Don McLeroy is doing in Texas is exactly what may in the future prompt the Feds to step in with national textbook standards.
I would assume that this is not what he (and those like him) would want to happen.
as much as I don’t like big gubermint, it would only be logical that if we have a national public school system we should have national standards for that system. my fear is of course who’s standards, but it is what it is.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:45:23am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
More than that, the bill bans the use of any salt in any preparation of any food.
No breads from the bakery. Salt is a necessary ingredient in almost every baked good. No MSG…so no Chinese food restaurants. Baking Soda is a salt, so no baking soda. No smoked or marinated meats. No fresh cheeses.
This bill is rampant idiocy run amok.
I really do think sometimes that we get the government that we deserve.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:46:03am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Speaking of insane legislation/regulation, the New York State Assembly is still in the running for Top Idiotarians of the Millennium award.
They’re proposing to ban the use of salt in all restaurant dishes.
Can I get a heave, and a ho, and an upchuck? I hates bland foods, preciousss.
no soy sauce…
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:46:04am |
re: #69 Charles
And they’re still ranting at Boing Boing too: Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs: The Metzger interview - Boing Boing.
sillyputty • #17 • 09:22 on Fri, Mar.12 • Replyfascinating to see the lefty mind at work. it says i stand on the side of science and progress and tolerance but what this really means at lgf is that i am biased towards atheism and darwinism and will not allow others to oppose me. the stench of authoritarianism is strong and you can see it especially concerning creationism and global warming.
in the metzger interview you can see this when they discuss how evil right wingers want to impose their backward and evil plans on us not realizing that everyone doing policy in the public square is doing this. but i guess nodding your head in agreement with each other is enought thought at lgf.
This freak was banned from LGF after a review of its comments showed that it was a raving anti-Muslim bigot. Imagine my shock to find out that it’s also a creationist.
An acceptance of science is not a bias toward atheism. Why the hell do people think that?
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abbyadams Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:46:47am |
re: #90 celticdragon
I think they can go without the MSG, but you’re spot on about the bread - it’s part of the chemical reaction that gets bread to rise properly. Dumb-ness.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:46:50am |
re: #84 wrenchwench
Speaking of
is Metzger’s Firesign Theater interview a good listen?
Yeah, I really enjoyed that one. But I’m a diehard Firesign fan.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:46:57am |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:47:14am |
re: #91 brookly red
no soy sauce…
Good point. That guarantees right there that the bill will fail. The sushi lobby in Manhattan is more powerful than the Five Families.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:47:26am |
“No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off of such premises,” the bill, A. 10129 , states in part.
That would shut down literally every restaurant in New York State.
The stupid…it burns!
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:47:52am |
Ha! The google ad at the moment is a homeschool textbook publisher! Before I refreshed the page it was those Teach The Controversy t-shirts.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:48:06am |
re: #80 webevintage
What Don McLeroy is doing in Texas is exactly what may in the future prompt the Feds to step in with national textbook standards.
I would assume that this is not what he (and those like him) would want to happen.
Put a strong conservative in the White House with a similarly-minded Congressional majority and it would be exactly what they would want. Today Texas, tomorrow the world!
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:48:14am |
re: #66 Cineaste
We can only protect those that want to be protected. I feel sorry for those children but Texas has decided that they, as a state, want to do that to themselves. I have more compassion for the parents of children in Africa who desperately want their children to learn reading, math and technical skills in school but don’t have the access to schools.
That being said, I think it was assumed that my comment was sarcastic in nature even though I didn’t include a “/”…
I honestly think that if you want to have compassion for anyone it should be for our kids who are being treated like little pawns for the religious wackos of this country. We have way too many kidlets right here that need to learn how to read and think properly and now we have a whole generation of them isolated to these rural communities unable to contribute to the world in general all because their parents are backward religious fanatics that are brainwashed from infancy! And now they want to do it to everyone of the countries kids, whether you as a parent want it or not! I’m glad I don’t have kids! I wouldn’t subject my child to that kind of thing if you paid me too! Okay, I’m done pontificating, soap box has been put away.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:48:16am |
re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guess they’ll need to ban water too. Too much has been known to kill people.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:48:26am |
re: #98 The Sanity Inspector
Gotta love Google’s ad algrorythms.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:48:55am |
re: #92 reine.de.tout
An acceptance of science is not a bias toward atheism. Why the hell do people think that?
A defining characteristic of the modern wingnut is that if you do not believe as they do, you are an ultra-liberal pinko commie socialist.
It is infuriating and makes me want to reach through computer screens to slap people.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:49:11am |
re: #92 reine.de.tout
An acceptance of science is not a bias toward atheism. Why the hell do people think that?
Because they are narrow minded fools.
Whats the bigger miracle? That God created the universe 5000 years ago over 7 days and laid down all sorts of tricks and false trails to fool us or that he created the universe billions of years ago, leaving evidence of his work and how he did it, waiting for us to discover it and learn from it?
Creationists are sick, sad, pathetic, deluded fools.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:49:12am |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:49:21am |
re: #94 Charles
Yeah, I really enjoyed that one. But I’m a diehard Firesign fan.
Anyone who loves Zappa cannot dislike Firesign. It’s a rule.
Don’t tell us how you feel about Cheech and Chong, though. People might use it against you.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:49:32am |
re: #99 oaktree
Put a strong conservative in the White House with a similarly-minded Congressional majority and it would be exactly what they would want. Today Texas, tomorrow the world!
Ehh better to let it come openly that way then to have these people in Texas force it on us by secret through a trick of the free market…
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:50:01am |
re: #91 brookly red
This rates up there with the legislative attempt to standardize the value of pi at 3. (Indiana, wasn’t it?)
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Cineaste Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:50:09am |
re: #73 Spare O’Lake
Texas has something you cannot do without.
Which is?
Ok, a ton of military installations which we spent a lot of money building over the years.
Let me be clear. I’m not seriously advocating texas separatism. That being said, think about the consequences for their ‘country’ if they don’t educate their children.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:50:40am |
re: #97 celticdragon
That would shut down literally every restaurant in New York State.
The stupid…it burns!
Makes me want to eat NY restaurant food exclusively, then sue this dumbass when I get sick from not getting enough iodine.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:51:05am |
re: #109 Cineaste
Well I for one can’t do without the out-of-whack egos and nativism >>
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:51:51am |
re: #108 oaktree
This rates up there with the legislative attempt to standardize the value of pi at 3. (Indiana, wasn’t it?)
forget tea parties… salt parties could get really, really ugly.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:52:47am |
re: #97 celticdragon
That would shut down literally every restaurant in New York State.
The stupid…it burns!
Well hey! If the government’s going to be in charge of our healthcare, they’ve got a right, nay, an obligation, to regulate what we put into our reckless tummies.
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Tumulus11 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:52:48am |
1. ‘Pan Dough, Frozen:
Enriched flour, water, cream yeast, salt, sugar, soybean oil, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, acetylated tartaric acid esters of mono and diglycerides, ascorbic acid, enzyme, potassium sorbate.’
. No pizza?
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:52:49am |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
Anyone who loves Zappa cannot dislike Firesign. It’s a rule.
Don’t tell us how you feel about Cheech and Chong, though. People might use it against you.
My parents got me tickets to see Cheech and Chong for my birthday when I was a teen. Tower of Power opened. I was in the nosebleed seats in the Shrine Auditorium, which was probably worth the price of admission in itself.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:52:54am |
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:53:43am |
re: #113 The Sanity Inspector
Well hey! If the government’s going to be in charge of our healthcare, they’ve got a right, nay, an obligation, to regulate what we put into our reckless tummies.
not to worry… your ration cards are in the mail.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:54:02am |
re: #108 oaktree
This rates up there with the legislative attempt to standardize the value of pi at 3. (Indiana, wasn’t it?)
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:54:25am |
re: #82 Alouette
Next, people will have to get on a scale before they can enter a restaurant. Whoever is above the recommended weight, NO ENTRY!
They’ll demand to perform a BMI evaluation on you right there. I’ll counter with my version: the Brain Mass Index. Anyone who doesn’t pass will be fired by my flack, Donald Trump. He can fire anybody. ;^)
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:54:26am |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:54:29am |
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:54:37am |
re: #112 brookly red
forget tea parties… salt parties could get really, really ugly.
ewww… Especially once some of it gets on the slugs.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:55:19am |
re: #113 The Sanity Inspector
Well hey! If the government’s going to be in charge of our healthcare, they’ve got a right, nay, an obligation, to regulate what we put into our reckless tummies.
The gub’mint won’t be in charge..
It will be paying the faceless corporate types who already do the same thing at many companies.
Smoke? Drink? Don’t sign in to exercise at the company gym three times a week and verified by the boss?
Welcome to your 50% rate hike.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:55:24am |
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:55:37am |
re: #64 theheat
Sorta busts that “Charles is gay” fantasy other detractors spend so much time on. Maybe they’re schizophrenic?
Maybe he is gay, and that’s why his wife left him, and now he’s depressed?…
////Dear God. These people need help.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:55:58am |
re: #110 Girth
Makes me want to eat NY restaurant food exclusively, then sue this dumbass when I get sick from not getting enough iodine.
If I don’t get enough iodine in my food my thyroid goes hyperactive… Not fun in the least let me tell you. Who on this planet would want to eat in a restaurant where the food tastes like cardboard? Not me!
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:56:45am |
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:56:56am |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
More likely, its been inteionally fanned by specific social and political forces in our culture for selfish gain. It’s just finally slipping out of control.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:57:35am |
re: #126 Dragon_Lady
If I don’t get enough iodine in my food my thyroid goes hyperactive… Not fun in the least let me tell you. Who on this planet would want to eat in a restaurant where the food tastes like cardboard? Not me!
I have been saving those soy sauce packets for years… f’ gold.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:58:00am |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
If a gay person lives in the space of their mind, as Charles resides in theirs, does that make them gay, too? I think it does.
Gay cooties.
//
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:58:05am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
I’m really sorry to hear that, as someone who’s been out of work for a year I feel your pain. Good luck on finding a new one, its really, really hard to get new one these days. Can you get unemployment bennies?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:58:06am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
{DF}
Good luck.
I saw yesterday where you were predicting this was going to happen.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:58:38am |
re: #56 Charles
Marla,
That is low beyond compare.
The idea of smearing his name by attacking his relationships and then cloaking it in some twisted attempt to sound concerned is repugnant. How dare you? How can you look in the mirror knowing you are that sick?
Not that it matters, because you really have no right to go there nor does anyone, but Mr. Johnson is not clinically depressed over his relationships and I have heard that he is actually engaged to be married to a wonderful woman.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:58:46am |
re: #130 theheat
If a gay person lives in the space of their mind, as Charles resides in theirs, does that make them gay, too? I think it does.
Gay cooties.
//
LMAO on that one! Upding for you!
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:58:56am |
re: #129 brookly red
I have been saving those soy sauce packets for years… f’ gold.
Beware the Soy Sauce. Once it gets in you, you’re fucked for life.
/obscure literary reference mode.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:59:22am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
Aaagh. Sorry to hear that. All the best!
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:59:30am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
Good Luck DF.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:59:41am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
{{DF}}
as one door closes, another opens
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:00:07pm |
re: #131 Dragon_Lady
SOCIALISM!
(Good luck with the interviews DF, if that fails my company is always hiring~~ ALWAYS
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:00:20pm |
re: #131 Dragon_Lady
I’m really sorry to hear that, as someone who’s been out of work for a year I feel your pain. Good luck on finding a new one, its really, really hard to get new one these days. Can you get unemployment bennies?
Hopefully. HR will try to fight it, but they need to prove “gross misconduct” and I don’t think they’ll be able to do that.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:00:27pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
I have heard that he is actually engaged to be married to a wonderful woman.
Which explains some of the flounces here. People realized that Charles wasn’t going to marry them.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:00:36pm |
re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Beware the Soy Sauce. Once it gets in you, you’re fucked for life.
/obscure literary reference mode.
too late…
must have dim sum.
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Ojoe Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:00:51pm |
re: #68 recusancy
Having a huge national debt with a significant fraction of tax revenues going to interest payments is hardly a path to national prosperity.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:01:00pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
They always fight it, but the burdon of proof is pretty tough for them, at least out here.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:01:39pm |
re: #128 windsagio
Cool new avatar. Is the artist someone we would know?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:01:45pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
OMG, I am so sorry for the disruption buddy.
Yeah they always do it on a Friday - get a last week out of you.
I wish you the best of luck and a place that properly uses you great abilities.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:01:52pm |
Woman to be high school’s head football coach
(CNN) — A high school in Washington, D.C., is set to name a former women’s professional football player as its head varsity football coach Friday, a move that a national women’s sports advocacy group calls historic.
Natalie Randolph, 29, a science teacher at Coolidge High School, will be introduced as the school’s head football coach at a news conference there Friday morning, according to her attorney, Lawrence Wilson.
Awesome. Good luck, coach.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:02:08pm |
re: #129 brookly red
I have been saving those soy sauce packets for years… f’ gold.
When salt is outlawed only outlaws will have salt. And those caught will be sent to labor in the salt mines. Welcome to northwestern New York!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:03:25pm |
re: #141 Cato the Elder
Which explains some of the flounces here. People realized that Charles wasn’t going to marry them.
Cato - even if that is true - it is low of you to point that out. Those people left. There is no need to shoot at their backsides when we have plenty of troll meat in front of us.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:03:45pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
Not likely, I’ll get to their page (geek alert, its from pixiv: You might not be able to see it without registering)
here, if it works. Most of it is random animecrap art, but there are a few charmers in the gallery.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:03:57pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Hopefully. HR will try to fight it, but they need to prove “gross misconduct” and I don’t think they’ll be able to do that.
Unless their HR are dummies, they already have a winnable case against you, even if you haven’t done anything wrong. Only the most inept HR people fire an employee now a days without having all their ducks in a row.
Sad but true. And the state is only too willing to side with the employer.
I’ve been surprise at what an employer can “prove.”
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:04:02pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
That sucks, but good that you have some prospects. Good luck.
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:04:21pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
Wow. Sucks. Hope you find a new job soon.
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Ojoe Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:04:33pm |
re: #149 oaktree
Just substitute ground anchovies where any recipe calls for salt.
Problem solved.
/
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:04:40pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
Ugh, DF— so very sorry to hear that. Congrats on the interviews and good luck— Jimmah and I wish you all the best.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:05:08pm |
re: #153 Walter L. Newton
its funny because I was just describing the opposite reaction. Maybe it varies from state to state.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:05:12pm |
re: #149 oaktree
When salt is outlawed only outlaws will have salt. And those caught will be sent to labor in the salt mines. Welcome to northwestern New York!
Hah! I am claiming a religious exemption… I need the salt to ward off witches! yeah, witches, that’s the ticket…
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:05:48pm |
re: #56 Charles
Meanwhile, the stalkers are still at it in the second Dangerous Minds thread:
[Link: www.dangerousminds.net…]
Check out the sick comment from “Marla.” Some of these people are so twisted it’s almost beyond belief.
Please don’t tell me you have a deranged stalking ex-wife. Or maybe she/he just fantasizes about being your wife.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:03pm |
re: #160 brookly red
Many faiths use salt in purificatoin rituals, so that’ll work. Poor atheists :(
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:18pm |
re: #86 reine.de.tout
Exactly correct. They should not be the same thing; unfortunately, it more and more appears that they are.
I am religious.
I live a conservative life, and while I prefer to see smaller government, I do recognize the need (and the moral correctness) for providing safety-net sorts of social programs for those needing it; and I believe science and religion are perfectly compatible, thankyewverymuch.The current Republican party and the current “right-wing” are not what I recognize as the sort of conservative I am.
And no sane person would lump you in with them.
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:20pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Hopefully. HR will try to fight it, but they need to prove “gross misconduct” and I don’t think they’ll be able to do that.
But wouldn’t unemployment benefits be issued through the state you live in? Why on earth would your HR dept fight that?? Or am I misunderstanding and you’re talking about severance pay? Either way, they sound like malicious, mean-spirited douchebags :( So sorry you have to put up with this.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:42pm |
re: #153 Walter L. Newton
Unless their HR are dummies, they already have a winnable case against you, even if you haven’t done anything wrong. Only the most inept HR people fire an employee now a days without having all their ducks in a row.
Sad but true. And the state is only too willing to side with the employer.
I’ve been surprise at what an employer can “prove.”
Well, here in Illinois, the state does tend to give workers the benefit of the doubt. Their HR wasn’t really involved, and the thing they’re using as a main reason isn’t that strong. I feel confident that I’ll get unemployment.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:47pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
Me too, a few weeks ago, didn’t want to say anything but I guess misery loves company. It’s a blessing really, I get to focus on finishing some long procrastinated thesis work and move on to a career that doesn’t give me nightmares. I’m thinking of going back to school to become a CNMT.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:51pm |
re: #152 windsagio
Not likely, I’ll get to their page (geek alert, its from pixiv: You might not be able to see it without registering)
here, if it works. Most of it is random animecrap art, but there are a few charmers in the gallery.
Doesn’t work, but thanks for trying.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:57pm |
re: #159 windsagio
its funny because I was just describing the opposite reaction. Maybe it varies from state to state.
Maybe employer to employer. My comment was both from actual experience and information that has been passed on to me by people who know how well oiled HR department run now a days.
In DF’s case, I hope my comment turns out to be anecdotal.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:06:57pm |
re: #150 LudwigVanQuixote
Cato - even if that is true - it is low of you to point that out. Those people left. There is no need to shoot at their backsides when we have plenty of troll meat in front of us.
I have friends in low places, as does Charles, according to a former fan who can’t even get the stalkers to post anti-LGF screeds on her site anymore. Nobody cares. [sob]
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Ojoe Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:07:14pm |
Ever try to eat spaghetti boiled in unsalted water?
Bleeeech.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:07:48pm |
re: #161 Alouette
Please don’t tell me you have a deranged stalking ex-wife. Or maybe she/he just fantasizes about being your wife.
I was hoping that “Marla’s” comment would be deleted, but on reflection, you couldn’t find a better example of the kind of insanity that motivates the stalkers and haters.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:07:54pm |
re: #168 Walter L. Newton
In OR (sounds like IL too) the state is really hard on employers on the subject, thats the regional difference :p
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:07:56pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Hopefully. HR will try to fight it, but they need to prove “gross misconduct” and I don’t think they’ll be able to do that.
lawyer up.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:08:18pm |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
Well, here in Illinois, the state does tend to give workers the benefit of the doubt. Their HR wasn’t really involved, and the thing they’re using as a main reason isn’t that strong. I feel confident that I’ll get unemployment.
Of course, I wasn’t wishing that for you, but I’ve been totally surprised by having that happen to me, and only after the fact did I realize that I was broadsided and never saw it coming.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:08:24pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
Upding for the good interviews bit. Hope this misfortune is actually the start of better things for you. Knock ‘em dead.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:08:30pm |
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:08:44pm |
re: #162 windsagio
Many faiths use salt in purificatoin rituals, so that’ll work. Poor atheists :(
Salt is a sacrament in my cow worship cult.
And by sacrament I mean seasoning and by cow worship cult I mean mass consumption of beef.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:08:51pm |
re: #69 Charles
Wow, that’s one fucked up piece of garbage.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:09:07pm |
re: #139 windsagio
SOCIALISM!
(Good luck with the interviews DF, if that fails my company is always hiring~~ ALWAYS
SELFPRESERVASIONIST! ;)
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:10:23pm |
re: #164 publicityStunted
But wouldn’t unemployment benefits be issued through the state you live in? Why on earth would your HR dept fight that?? Or am I misunderstanding and you’re talking about severance pay? Either way, they sound like malicious, mean-spirited douchebags :( So sorry you have to put up with this.
Because in most states, half of the unemployment benefits is paid by the employer who fired you, it it is discovered that you were fired without cause.
Other wise, you cannot collected unemployment for being fired with cause, at least not in Colorado.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:10:31pm |
OT but maybe interesting.
I got a tooth pulled this morning, do you know they won’t even give you vicodan anymore unless its bad?
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:10:32pm |
re: #177 Girth
Salt is a sacrament in my cow worship cult.
And by sacrament I mean seasoning and by cow worship cult I mean mass consumption of beef.
I don’t eat meat… I will trade you my ration coupons.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:10:49pm |
re: #6 Ice-9
Why do I get the feeling that this doorknob is the one out of five dentists who do not recommend their patients chew sugarless gum.
That is a brilliant line!
Well don’t you know that cavities aren’t real… No it is all a hoax by those liberal commie scientists and tree huggers to stop you from buying sugar! They have some stupid bleeding heart ideas that brown people suffer to harvest it in third world countries. It’s all part of their NWO attempts to destroy America.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:11:02pm |
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Aunty Entity Dragon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:11:21pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
I am so sorry. Believe me, I know the feeling, and I have had to fight for unemployment.
best of luck, my friend.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:12:25pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:12:41pm |
re: #161 Alouette
Please don’t tell me you have a deranged stalking ex-wife. Or maybe she/he just fantasizes about being your wife.
It’s complete fantasy.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:13:08pm |
Saw that dude on Nightline last night ….
He reminds me of Ned Flanders from The Simpsons …
“okely dokely”
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:13:23pm |
re: #181 windsagio
OT but maybe interesting.
I got a tooth pulled this morning, do you know they won’t even give you vicodan anymore unless its bad?
Two weeks before my mother died of cancer, she was in such pain and when I called her doctor - he told me to get some OTC extra-strength Tylenol.
FOR CANCER PAIN!
I think he was particularly idiotic, but they are really really careful with that stuff.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:13:50pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
Now that is a question. The author of the Wikipedia article on the Christian Right has some good thought on this, seeing it as an outgrowth of certain changes in demographic and population patterns. The loss of a sense of community in sprawling suburbs, and the ability of churches to offer a ready substitute, was an especially iintriguing suggestion.
An important factor that led to the concentration of the Christian Right’s popularity was creating a climate where churches would be central in the absence of community. It was the physical design of neighborhoods, particularly in developing areas like Southern California that were unique to the movement. The “planned sprawl” model of development fostered an environment of private growth, often spread out, an absence of public space and weakening the community bonds of the area. The church thus became an alternative means for establishing a sense of togetherness, and a place for social activity. The church acted as the new center for the community, bringing people together for socialization and the exchange of ideas. The growth of the church community was integral in the subsequent mobilization of conservative activists, particularly in suburban areas.[6]
In my own view, the rise of cable television and the general diversification of media in the 70s was also a factor. This allowed traditional revival tent preachers to reach a large, and largely passive, audience on a regular basis.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:14:00pm |
re: #182 brookly red
I don’t eat meat… I will trade you my ration coupons.
LOL….Once when having dinner with my sister, she watched me polish off a MASSIVE steak and said, “Oh, your poor colon…”
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:14:13pm |
re: #185 celticdragon
I am so sorry. Believe me, I know the feeling, and I have had to fight for unemployment.
best of luck, my friend.
Thanks for that. I’m worried but I’m hopeful. My job had become a misery and in some ways I’m glad to leave.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:14:34pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
For half a century secular liberals have been trying to sneer or sue religious conservatives out of public life. It hasn’t worked and, as has been evidenced in recent decades, it has had the opposite effect.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:14:45pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
Two weeks before my mother died of cancer, she was in such pain and when I called her doctor - he told me to get some OTC extra-strength Tylenol.
FOR CANCER PAIN!I think he was particularly idiotic, but they are really really careful with that stuff.
I mean honestly - if you’re dying of cancer, does it really matter if you get hooked on vicodin?
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:14:49pm |
re: #177 Girth
Salt is a sacrament in my cow worship cult.
And by sacrament I mean seasoning and by cow worship cult I mean mass consumption of beef.
Ummmm, rare steak! Number one in my Bible!
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:14:55pm |
re: #191 Girth
LOL…Once when having dinner with my sister, she watched me polish off a MASSIVE steak and said, “Oh, your poor colon…”
salad.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:15:40pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
Two weeks before my mother died of cancer, she was in such pain and when I called her doctor - he told me to get some OTC extra-strength Tylenol.
FOR CANCER PAIN!I think he was particularly idiotic, but they are really really careful with that stuff.
That’s horrifying.
On the flip side, my grandmother was an expert at coaxing Vicodin out of the Kaiser docs. They were complete suckers for her act, and always sent her home with another prescription for 100. It was kind of hilarious, in a terrible sort of way.
My grandmother did NOT like pain. Between the Vikes and a lot of white wine she managed to keep herself comfortable during the last months of her life.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:15:56pm |
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:16:23pm |
re: #181 windsagio
I know. That’s been for awhile, now. I had an abscessed tooth and extra-strength Vicodin was the only way I managed until it could be removed. They make you feel like they’re filling a prescription for bin Laden. It’s horseshit.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:16:37pm |
re: #187 Charles
It’s complete fantasy.
Why am I not surprised. Not only a low, despicable, and irrelevant thing to bring even if it were true - but of course it is just a complete fabrication while we are at it.
I am so sorry you have to see such shit.
I don’t post here under my own name. That way when I see the villiage of the banned have a whole thread dedicated to hating me, I can almost take some perverse glee in it.
However, you are out there as you.
If I saw people making up shit abut my private life just to smear me, I would go ballistic. You have my greatest sympathy.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:16:41pm |
Texas has been trying for a long time to become a tech hub for R&D along the lines of Silicon Valley, Tech Triangle in NC, Silicon Alley in NYC, and a few other places in the US.
Pushing an agenda that is at its heart anti-science is completely antithetical to the science demands needed going forward to innovate and create new technologies. If you don’t have a solid understanding of basic science concepts, you will only have problems down the line.
The last series of threads Charles has posted highlighting the anti-science bent of the TBOE and some of its members have got me shaking my head in disbelief over this nonsense working its way into schools. They are shortchanging the children who need a solid foundation in the sciences, and pushing creationism isn’t going to make it happen.
If you want to teach creationism - do it in a religion class or comparative studies class, not science classes. It simply isn’t science.
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:16:53pm |
He’s a drug store trick driving man.
The head of the Texas Taliban.
When summer comes rolling around.
He’ll be lucky to get out of town.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:16:58pm |
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Stanley Sea Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:05pm |
re: #185 celticdragon
I am so sorry. Believe me, I know the feeling, and I have had to fight for unemployment.
best of luck, my friend.
When the unemployment “consent” letter comes across HR, in my experience, they do whatever they can to deny it, because it could make their rate go up. It sucks. And I see it as another example of people incorrectly placing too much faith in the goodness of the employer.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:09pm |
Oh lord.
Having just used him in the last thread as an example of a great man who stood up to McCarthyism, I just learned that my good friend and mentor, Charles Muscatine, has died.
I cannot express what he meant to me and what he meant to the world.
I can say that I never knew him to make an unethical decision.
It is so anger-making that on the same day he passes, this is happening in Texas.
I miss you already, Charles. Thank you for being a wonderful and brave man.
I’ll continue to fight as best I can for what you stood for.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:14pm |
re: #199 theheat
I guess the flip side is spending time in the ER (I thought I’d had a heart attack, I hadn’t) and hearing all the people screaming for meds, there’s definitely a problem.
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:15pm |
re: #170 Ojoe
Ever try to eat spaghetti boiled in unsalted water?
Bleeech.
What are you talking about? I always boil pasta in unsalted water. But I always put sauce on it.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:19pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
I don’t agree with this at all.
The reason why the religious fanatics are all lathered up is because they’re losing power over the lives of other people, and they’re becoming increasingly desperate to regain that power.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:20pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Well at least McLeroy will be out at the end of the year. And other news, I lost my job today. Thankfully, I do have good interviews lined up.
good luck DF … I have been there. all I can suggest is to be as positive as you can and when you go to your interviews, don’t say anything negative about your previous employer (even if you hate their guts). We’ll be pulling for you.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:40pm |
re: #194 reine.de.tout
I mean honestly - if you’re dying of cancer, does it really matter if you get hooked on vicodin?
Vicodin is actually pretty light stuff as far as pain killers go… in that type of situation they have better options & if someone is denied that may just be mal-practice.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:53pm |
re: #193 The Sanity Inspector
For half a century secular liberals have been trying to sneer or sue religious conservatives out of public life. It hasn’t worked and, as has been evidenced in recent decades, it has had the opposite effect.
Or, for half a century, religious conservatives have been attempting to impose by law their ideas of morality on the rest of the country, and any successful attempt to thwart them has merely stoked up their sense of outrage and self-righteousness, now reaching peak levels.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:17:54pm |
re: #193 The Sanity Inspector
For half a century secular liberals have been trying to sneer or sue religious conservatives out of public life. It hasn’t worked and, as has been evidenced in recent decades, it has had the opposite effect.
We have a winner!
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:18:21pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
Two weeks before my mother died of cancer, she was in such pain and when I called her doctor - he told me to get some OTC extra-strength Tylenol.
FOR CANCER PAIN!I think he was particularly idiotic, but they are really really careful with that stuff.
Zedushka takes morphine for his chronic neuropathy.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:18:29pm |
re: #193 The Sanity Inspector
For half a century secular liberals have been trying to sneer or sue religious conservatives out of public life. It hasn’t worked and, as has been evidenced in recent decades, it has had the opposite effect.
That may be part of it.
But here’s where I saw it happening, it started happening when there started being a breakdown of discipline in schools, when parents stopped supporting teachers and the school administration, and started suing them instead.
There are some schools here, not many but a couple, that have a heckuva time recruiting teachers - they don’t want to teach at the school because there is no discipline and the school administration does not support its staff.
People saw what was happening, and blamed it on lack of religion in schools, when religion has nothing to do with it, it’s a matter of discipline and failure of the school enforcing basic civility.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:18:59pm |
re: #208 Charles
I don’t agree with this at all.
The reason why the religious fanatics are all lathered up is because they’re losing power over the lives of other people, and they’re becoming increasingly desperate to regain that power.
And more importantly, they are afraid that the other people, once in power will do to them what they want to do to others.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:19:08pm |
re: #62 Ojoe
Except the Democrats say fiscal responsibility & then propose tripling the national debt.
For someone who came up in the 70s, “fiscally responsible Democrats” sounds weird, almost ungrammatical.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:19:09pm |
re: #211 brookly red
My friends uncle had AIDS, and had since before it was AIDS. He ended up dying of a drug overdose (heroin I think). Once he knew he was gonna die, he was like ‘to hell with it, I like drugs!’
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:19:39pm |
re: #204 Stanley Sea
When the unemployment “consent” letter comes across HR, in my experience, they do whatever they can to deny it, because it could make their rate go up. It sucks. And I see it as another example of people incorrectly placing too much faith in the goodness of the employer.
One of my least favorite parts of one of my least favorite gigs is writing up the employer’s response, contesting the application for benefits.
Feel like a damned assassin every time I do it, and not in a good way.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:19:42pm |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
Because in most states, half of the unemployment benefits is paid by the employer who fired you, it it is discovered that you were fired without cause.
Other wise, you cannot collected unemployment for being fired with cause, at least not in Colorado.
Hi Walter! I think it’s the same (or close) here in Texas. Our workforce commission does protect the employee - sometimes to a very odd extent.
I have a friend who had his own business - a dry cleaner. He was having a terrible problem with unexcused absences (no doctor’s note, etc.) so finally decided to put in a policy of no more than five. After five, termination was immediate.
One woman who worked for him had an incredible history of skipping work, but - as with the other employees, he started her from scratch, with all previous absences erased.
She - as you might suspect - hit her five absences almost immediately. On her sixth, she came in and explained what had happened. My friend decided to give her a break, because although she hadn’t called in, the reason for the absence appeared to be a good one.
Naturally, she skipped work again about five days later, and my friend let her go.
She was given unemployment benefits, and my friend saw his unemployment dollars go up. When he called the state, he was told that because he excused the sixth absence, and his policy was only five, she was entitled. If he had let her go after five, in accordance with his policy, no benefits, no increase for him.
In short, according to the state no good deed goes unpunished.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:19:43pm |
re: #199 theheat
I know. That’s been for awhile, now. I had an abscessed tooth and extra-strength Vicodin was the only way I managed until it could be removed. They make you feel like they’re filling a prescription for bin Laden. It’s horseshit.
You think you’ve got troubles—my father has been taking opium for his digestive problems. Getting that stuff is like getting plutonium. I swear. He has to sign two different books, and it’s all federally controlled.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:19:51pm |
re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s horrifying.
On the flip side, my grandmother was an expert at coaxing Vicodin out of the Kaiser docs. They were complete suckers for her act, and always sent her home with another prescription for 100. It was kind of hilarious, in a terrible sort of way.
My grandmother did NOT like pain. Between the Vikes and a lot of white wine she managed to keep herself comfortable during the last months of her life.
I don’t know why, but your post reminded me of a line from John Mayer’s song Heartbreak Warfare …. “red wine and ambien, you’ve been talking shit again … it’s Heartbereak Warfare.”
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:20:30pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Hopefully. HR will try to fight it, but they need to prove “gross misconduct” and I don’t think they’ll be able to do that.
Damn. I got a nice letter explaining that I was being laid off for budgetary reasons, that I was eligible for future re-hire, and instructions that I should file for unemployment insurance. You did see this coming though, and considering the economy I think it has to be for economic reasons.
Once upon a time HR stood for human relations, when the fuck did it become okay for companies to openly treat people like resources, to be bought and used up?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:20:55pm |
re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s horrifying.
On the flip side, my grandmother was an expert at coaxing Vicodin out of the Kaiser docs. They were complete suckers for her act, and always sent her home with another prescription for 100. It was kind of hilarious, in a terrible sort of way.
My grandmother did NOT like pain. Between the Vikes and a lot of white wine she managed to keep herself comfortable during the last months of her life.
Good for her.
Really, there comes a point when you are at the end of your life, and if you do get “hooked” - does it frikken matter?
Mom’s doctor was (is) an idiot. That story is the tip of the iceberg - he treated her for six months for acid reflux - when the problem was cancer.
I’ll just leave it at that.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:20:58pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
Our modern secular society is what guarantees that anyone can meet his or her deep-seated psychological or religious or spiritual needs in any way they choose, you bullshit artist!
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webevintage Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:21:22pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
Two weeks before my mother died of cancer, she was in such pain and when I called her doctor - he told me to get some OTC extra-strength Tylenol.
FOR CANCER PAIN!I think he was particularly idiotic, but they are really really careful with that stuff.
Wow.
Your poor mother.
Not cancer, but I did think it was strange that the Doctor who cut and burned my son’s big toe to get out that ingrown toenail did not give him a RX for the pain meds “just in case”.
Instead he said to call back if it gets bad and he will call something in.
No need, my kid has hobbit feet and has not even take any Tylenol.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:21:29pm |
re: #8 recusancy
Here’s a comical take on this from Faux News.
Um…
Probably for that reason, a liberal onslaught has been unleashed to try to influence these education standards. An unelected review panel, not the elected members of Texas State Board of Education (SBOE), attempted to push through a number of highly questionable changes to the standards – removing Independence Day, Neil Armstrong, Daniel Boone, and Christopher Columbus – from them. They even dumped Christmas and replaced it with Diwali. You can’t make this stuff up!
Wow. My BS Meter just blew up.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:22:01pm |
re: #216 LudwigVanQuixote
And more importantly, they are afraid that the other people, once in power will do to them what they want to do to others.
But that isn’t true at all. They’re resentful at not being able to impose their views on others. They don’t want anyone to have an abortion, be gay, or engage in any other of hundreds of lifestyle choices that no one is demanding they make— they’re only being asked to tolerate others. Which they won’t do.
It’s all about power. Well, that and the desire to stop the clock as well as rewrite history and turn America into a “Christian nation”.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:22:10pm |
re: #217 The Sanity Inspector
For someone who came up in the 70s, “fiscally responsible Democrats” sounds weird, almost ungrammatical.
These days, neither party has any claim to fiscal responsibility.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:22:53pm |
re: #214 Alouette
Zedushka takes morphine for his chronic neuropathy.
Really?
The Roi has neuropathy - but can’t take anything for it due to work. I’d love to see him retire and get some relief.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:23:34pm |
re: #224 reine.de.tout
Good for her.
Really, there comes a point when you are at the end of your life, and if you do get “hooked” - does it frikken matter?Mom’s doctor was (is) an idiot. That story is the tip of the iceberg - he treated her for six months for acid reflux - when the problem was cancer.
I’ll just leave it at that.
Damn.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:23:36pm |
re: #208 Charles
I don’t agree with this at all.
The reason why the religious fanatics are all lathered up is because they’re losing power over the lives of other people, and they’re becoming increasingly desperate to regain that power.
I think they’re more scared than anything. And while there is also a good deal of racism involved, I really think fear drives this paranoia even more. If Hillary were POTUS, I think a lot of this derangement would still be out there. That crowd hated the Clintons long before they even knew who Obama was.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:24:45pm |
re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth
Wow. My BS Meter just blew up.
Diwali is lots of fun. There are firecrackers, and guys jump bonfires.
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:24:45pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
People have their own personal responsibility for fulfilling their own “deep seated psychological needs.” They’re not victims here. Frankly the resurgence was caused by the hysteria that followed the election in 2008. They were always around. They just went dormant because there wasn’t a Democrat, let alone a black man, in the White House.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:13pm |
re: #223 goddamnedfrank
SNIP
Once upon a time HR stood for human relations, when the fuck did it become okay for companies to openly treat people like resources, to be bought and used up?
When Chthulu is the CEO, all employees are snack food. OM NOM NOM.
/
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:20pm |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
Two weeks before my mother died of cancer, she was in such pain and when I called her doctor - he told me to get some OTC extra-strength Tylenol.
FOR CANCER PAIN!I think he was particularly idiotic, but they are really really careful with that stuff.
You know, in Britain they actually give morphine to cancer patients. They allow self injections through IV. There’s a lot of thing the Brit’s have right where it comes to health care, not saying its perfect, but there are just somethings you shouldn’t deny and one of them is adequate pain relief to the sick and dying.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:31pm |
re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist
Diwali is lots of fun. There are firecrackers, and guys jump bonfires.
My wife’s Cajun relatives do that at Christmas, New years, or anytime they’ve got beer and firewood.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:31pm |
re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist
Why stop at a half century? There has been a tension between secularism and religious thought in politics since the country was founded. It’s morphed over time, but it’s been there but for the past ~150 years, it’s been centered on the issues of evolution v. creationism, and which reached a fever pitch with the Scopes Monkey trial in 1925.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:51pm |
re: #224 reine.de.tout
Good for her.
Really, there comes a point when you are at the end of your life, and if you do get “hooked” - does it frikken matter?Mom’s doctor was (is) an idiot. That story is the tip of the iceberg - he treated her for six months for acid reflux - when the problem was cancer.
I’ll just leave it at that.
good grief
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:53pm |
re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist
Diwali is lots of fun. There are firecrackers, and guys jump bonfires.
How’s your tooth, hon. Or did you mention it.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:25:57pm |
Oops! Reread my post on my dry cleaner and realized I got my numbers wrong. It was the fifth absence that he let go, not the sixth. It was the sixth where he let her go, not the seventh. And, the state had told him if he’d let her go on the fifth, in accordance with his policy, he’d have been okay.
Sigh, typed it too fast.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:26:20pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t remember, but I had to sign one or two things, also. And this was a prescription for something like a dozen pills. Your dad has my sympathies.
I understand they don’t want to over-prescribe and prevent doctor shopping, but… c’mon. More bullshit for the rest of us to go through.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:26:29pm |
re: #239 lawhawk
Why stop at a half century? There has been a tension between secularism and religious thought in politics since the country was founded. It’s morphed over time, but it’s been there but for the past ~150 years, it’s been centered on the issues of evolution v. creationism, and which reached a fever pitch with the Scopes Monkey trial in 1925.
I was just riffing.
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:26:54pm |
re: #193 The Sanity Inspector
For half a century secular liberals have been trying to sneer or sue religious conservatives out of public life. It hasn’t worked and, as has been evidenced in recent decades, it has had the opposite effect.
Right, blame the libruls.
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:27:21pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
Also Christians are always the real victims.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:27:41pm |
re: #223 goddamnedfrank
Damn. I got a nice letter explaining that I was being laid off for budgetary reasons, that I was eligible for future re-hire, and instructions that I should file for unemployment insurance. You did see this coming though, and considering the economy I think it has to be for economic reasons.
Once upon a time HR stood for human relations, when the fuck did it become okay for companies to openly treat people like resources, to be bought and used up?
Ever hear of the way Ford did things before unionization or look at the miners or the factory workers of the 19th?
Anyone who thinks unions are bad things just by their existence is a moron.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:27:43pm |
re: #229 iceweasel
A thousand updings, if I could. You nailed it.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:27:57pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
Right, blame the libruls.
It’s all a perfectly natural reaction to having secularism rammed down their throats./
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:28:51pm |
re: #237 Dragon_Lady
You know, in Britain they actually give morphine to cancer patients. They allow self injections through IV. There’s a lot of thing the Brit’s have right where it comes to health care, not saying its perfect, but there are just somethings you shouldn’t deny and one of them is adequate pain relief to the sick and dying.
The day before she died, they finally gave her a drip like that.
Her regular doctor didn’t even find the cancer - 3 weeks before she died, she went to a walk-in clinic for the pain, beause she couldn’t get in to see her doctor. That’s who figured it out. When we saw the oncologist, her doctor sent over a sheet with her name on it, but MY FATHER’S medical history and medications. It was a cluster-F from the word go.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:05pm |
re: #249 iceweasel
It’s all a perfectly natural reaction to having secularism rammed down their throats./
I can assure you - that’s exactly the way they see it. To them, the religio-Christian character of the nation and culture is a given, and is the normal state of affairs; all variations from it are the result of interventions, the effects of which they wish to reverse through their own interventions.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:11pm |
re: #9 jamesfirecat
“The men did it for the women!”
It sounded like he almost said “white men”, and stopped himself short. Actually, he seems to do a lot of that in the video.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:17pm |
re: #237 Dragon_Lady
You know, in Britain they actually give morphine to cancer patients. They allow self injections through IV. There’s a lot of thing the Brit’s have right where it comes to health care, not saying its perfect, but there are just somethings you shouldn’t deny and one of them is adequate pain relief to the sick and dying.
Oh, but those poor people dying in excruciating pain might actually decide that they’d like to go to sleep and not wake up again and we can’t have that because life is sacred and I’m sorry but no.
Oh and death panels also, too.
/
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:35pm |
re: #249 iceweasel
It’s all a perfectly natural reaction to having secularism rammed down their throats./
Yeah, happens all the time doesn’t it?
Pay no attention to the convocation in the Capitol building. Poor victims never get their way and have been stepped on for so many years by those uppity libruls!!1!!!
/
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:37pm |
Hey Afternoon Lizards!
How is life today?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:42pm |
re: #229 iceweasel
But that isn’t true at all. They’re resentful at not being able to impose their views on others. They don’t want anyone to have an abortion, be gay, or engage in any other of hundreds of lifestyle choices that no one is demanding they make— they’re only being asked to tolerate others. Which they won’t do.
It’s all about power. Well, that and the desire to stop the clock as well as rewrite history and turn America into a “Christian nation”.
Yes they do resent all of that. I agree completely - but they are also the sorts who fantasize about all tyhe things they will do with the power that are not nice to the sinners and commies and all that.
They assume that all those other people are just as savage and well will, take your guns so that you can not resist when they come kill your grandmother and indoctrinate your kids to be Godless etc…
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:29:59pm |
re: #229 iceweasel
But that isn’t true at all. They’re resentful at not being able to impose their views on others. They don’t want anyone to have an abortion, be gay, or engage in any other of hundreds of lifestyle choices that no one is demanding they make— they’re only being asked to tolerate others. Which they won’t do.
It’s all about power. Well, that and the desire to stop the clock as well as rewrite history and turn America into a “Christian nation”.
I get the distinct impression that these guys would make the Crusades seem like a picnic or walk in the park.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:30:28pm |
re: #241 marjoriemoon
How’s your tooth, hon. Or did you mention it.
It’s not a tooth, it’s some kind of little lump in the soft palate—a lymph node or something? I can tell it’s supposed to be there because there’s a matching, nonswollen one on the other side.
I’m taking lots of ibuprofen, and it has gone down quite a lot. I can still feel it slightly, but I’m not in pain.
I think it just got swollen up from the cold from hell somehow, and needed anti-inflammatories to help it go down. I’ll see what my e-mail doc has to say, though.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:30:36pm |
re: #220 subsailor68
Hi Walter! I think it’s the same (or close) here in Texas. Our workforce commission does protect the employee - sometimes to a very odd extent.
I have a friend who had his own business - a dry cleaner. He was having a terrible problem with unexcused absences (no doctor’s note, etc.) …….
You have to have your company policies very well spelled out and you have to abide by exactly those rules or you’re going to end up paying someone unemployment even if you fire them for cause. If they get no warnings before being fired, they get it. If they get too many warnings before being fired, they get it. I think most HR time is spent trying to keep the company from being sued or paying out unemployment.
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:30:40pm |
re: #223 goddamnedfrank
Damn. I got a nice letter explaining that I was being laid off for budgetary reasons, that I was eligible for future re-hire, and instructions that I should file for unemployment insurance. You did see this coming though, and considering the economy I think it has to be for economic reasons.
Once upon a time HR stood for human relations, when the fuck did it become okay for companies to openly treat people like resources, to be bought and used up?
Welcome to the corporate world?
Sorry to hear. Maybe you’ll find yourself something even better and they did you a favor.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:31:29pm |
re: #254 Gus 802
Yeah, happens all the time doesn’t it?
Pay no attention to the convocation in the Capitol building. Poor victims never get their way and have been stepped on for so many years by those uppity libruls!!1!!!
/
No prayer in schools, no ten commandments on courthouse lawns, congressmen being sworn in on the Koran, Walmart checkout clerks saying “Happy Holidays”…
Won’t someone think of the Christians? The poor poor Christians?
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:31:38pm |
re: #255 ggt
Hey Afternoon Lizards!
How is life today?
Anger at the Texas SBOE, rain in Philly, and eating a scone with a cup of tea while watching the database whirl away at something. How’s things on your end?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:31:40pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
I like the little left handed jab at secular society there. Concern trolling at its best :)
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:04pm |
re: #253 Girth
Oh, but those poor people dying in excruciating pain might actually decide that they’d like to go to sleep and not wake up again and we can’t have that because life is sacred and I’m sorry but no.
Oh and death panels also, too.
/
My grandmother, of blessed memory, just before she left the hospital where she’d been an oncology ward nurse for better than 30 years with a confirmed diagnosis of recurrence and spread to the brain of her thyroid cancer, talked with the doctor. She’d known him when he was an intern.
They agreed that her condition required she be sent home with a bottle of morphine tablets. As they had done countless times previously, they went over the dosage. “never take more than about X tablets at a time, and if you must, never on a completely empty stomach. If you do, you won’t wake up.”
There’s something to be said for the old days.
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:18pm |
“‘The textbooks being purchased now for language arts classes will probably mark “the end of the high-level of Texas influence as we knew it in the ’70s, ’80s and ’90s,” said David Anderson , a former director of curriculum at the Texas Education Agency and now a lobbyist whose clients include a major textbook publisher.’‘Bob Cassel, publisher of EMC Publishing Co., whose literature texts have been approved by the board, said publishers have tailored textbooks to Texas in the past because the state has been an enormous customer with a reliable source of textbook funding from the $22 billion Permanent School Fund.’”
‘NCSE Supporter Kenneth R. Miller, coauthor (with Joe Levine) of several widely used textbooks published by Prentice-Hall, told the Wall Street Journal that “We will do whatever we think is appropriate to meet the spirit and the letter of Texas standards,” but firmly added, “We will never put anything in our books that will compromise our scientific values.”’
:skepticalteacher.wordpress.com
All bolding is mine.
This is just to show we ain’t makin’ this up.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:20pm |
re: #257 Dragon_Lady
I get the distinct impression that these guys would make the Crusades seem like a picnic or walk in the park.
dunno.. there was some nasty shit going down in the Crusades.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:27pm |
re: #259 RogueOne
You have to have your company policies very well spelled out and you have to abide by exactly those rules or you’re going to end up paying someone unemployment even if you fire them for cause. If they get no warnings before being fired, they get it. If they get too many warnings before being fired, they get it. I think most HR time is spent trying to keep the company from being sued or paying out unemployment.
HR is there to protect the company from employees… you no sign nothing.
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:32pm |
re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth
It sounded like he almost said “white men”, and stopped himself short. Actually, he seems to do a lot of that in the video.
So… em… I guess we won’t be hearing about all those Suffragettes in the World Of Texas/U.S. History?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:45pm |
re: #262 iceweasel
No prayer in schools, no ten commandments on courthouse lawns, congressmen being sworn in on the Koran, Walmart checkout clerks saying “Happy Holidays”…
Won’t someone think of the Christians? The poor poor Christians?
Hey, maybe that’s why they don’t like Jefferson! Ellison got sworn in on his Koran!
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:32:59pm |
re: #247 LudwigVanQuixote
Ever hear of the way Ford did things before unionization or look at the miners or the factory workers of the 19th?
Anyone who thinks unions are bad things just by their existence is a moron.
My father, a very conservative retired auto-plant branch manager who negotiated many a CBA with UAW locals and generally can’t stand the larger unions in the country because he believes that they have done a lot to harm business, will be happy to tell anyone that very same thing.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:33:49pm |
re: #263 oaktree
Anger at the Texas SBOE, rain in Philly, and eating a scone with a cup of tea while watching the database whirl away at something. How’s things on your end?
Raining-well, wet anyway, it has rained.
nice 50 ish degrees outside—In Chicagoland that means no-coat weather!
Just sitting here with a fresh cuppa brewing.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:34:03pm |
re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey, maybe that’s why they don’t like Jefferson! Ellison got sworn in on his Koran!
Well, he owned a Koran and he went to France. Git him!
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:34:18pm |
re: #271 Girth
Well really its a balance of power, or should be.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:34:25pm |
re: #223 goddamnedfrank
Damn. I got a nice letter explaining that I was being laid off for budgetary reasons, that I was eligible for future re-hire, and instructions that I should file for unemployment insurance. You did see this coming though, and considering the economy I think it has to be for economic reasons.
Once upon a time HR stood for human relations, when the fuck did it become okay for companies to openly treat people like resources, to be bought and used up?
When they stopped hiring people for the long term. Nowadays, workers are seen as replaceable. Moreover, many current companies are owned by institutional investors, whose main aim is short term profit. So if they think a location is understaffed, they think nothing of cutting the “excess”.
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:34:49pm |
re: #262 iceweasel
No prayer in schools, no ten commandments on courthouse lawns, congressmen being sworn in on the Koran, Walmart checkout clerks saying “Happy Holidays”…
Won’t someone think of the Christians? The poor poor Christians?
War on Christmas! Yeah, it’s a “one sided culture war. Uh huh. Just like Bill O’Reilly and his daily rants about “secular progressives.” Pity how they’re tax exempt. Pity how Americans would rather vote for an ax-murderer (as long as he or she says she’s a repentant “God fearin’ American) before they’d vote for an Atheist.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:34:52pm |
I’ve returned, and am now consuming french fries to which I have added Seasoned Salt.
And now on with the cursing.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:35:19pm |
re: #262 iceweasel
No prayer in schools, no ten commandments on courthouse lawns, congressmen being sworn in on the Koran, Walmart checkout clerks saying “Happy Holidays”…
Won’t someone think of the Christians? The poor poor Christians?
You mean white Christians honey.
It is not as if they are the most wealthy and powerful people in America is it? Everyone knows that it is the Mexicans who are really in charge!
P.S. it would have been just as ludicrous to use Jews in the above phrase but people are actually stupid enough to believe that.
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:35:27pm |
re: #231 reine.de.tout
Really?
The Roi has neuropathy - but can’t take anything for it due to work. I’d love to see him retire and get some relief.
Zedushka is on disability from his neuropathy. He is diabetic, and he is on Medicare and every insurance plan and he gets almost all of his meds for fricken free!
Whereas, my premium is going up to the point I will no longer be able to afford it, all because of my fricken BMI.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:35:29pm |
re: #272 ggt
How are the issues with the cat overlords going? IIRC, there were issues with basement cat being too noisy?
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Cineaste Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:35:56pm |
re: #145 Spare O’Lake
Hydrocarbon deposits.
Not enough to make that big a difference. If we’re importing oil anyway, Texas won’t be governing prices.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:35:57pm |
I would call down some imprecatory prayers on the heads of these Christofascists, but I have always preferred the ejaculatory variety.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:36:11pm |
re: #250 reine.de.tout
The day before she died, they finally gave her a drip like that.
Her regular doctor didn’t even find the cancer - 3 weeks before she died, she went to a walk-in clinic for the pain, beause she couldn’t get in to see her doctor. That’s who figured it out. When we saw the oncologist, her doctor sent over a sheet with her name on it, but MY FATHER’S medical history and medications. It was a cluster-F from the word go.
This is why, although I oppose a government-run national health program, I no longer like to employ the argument-by-horror-story. Negligence and screwups are plentiful here as well as in things like the British NHS. For instance, an acquaintance of ours from a local church, not far shy of retirement age, was up a tree cutting branches. This is admittedly a really dumb thing to do, so no need to belabor that point. He fell thirty feet to the ground, and was taken to a hospital in the prosperous end of the county. He couldn’t move, but he was in serious pain. They x-rayed him, didn’t see anything, and told him it was just a scratch and to go home. They literally stuffed him into the passenger seat of his car. His agony continued, so the family called back, and were told to keep an eye on him for a few days, work his limbs to keep them from stiffening up, and come back later. And that’s exactly what they did. By the time his broken neck vertebra was discovered and he was finally admitted into an ICU elsewhere in the area, it was too late. Profound, irreversible spinal damage. Paralyzed for life. In his early 60s, just in time for Christmas.
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:36:38pm |
None of this would have happened if the ACLU wasn’t around.
/Quack
/
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:36:51pm |
re: #250 reine.de.tout
The day before she died, they finally gave her a drip like that.
Her regular doctor didn’t even find the cancer - 3 weeks before she died, she went to a walk-in clinic for the pain, beause she couldn’t get in to see her doctor. That’s who figured it out. When we saw the oncologist, her doctor sent over a sheet with her name on it, but MY FATHER’S medical history and medications. It was a cluster-F from the word go.
Good Lord. *sigh* Getting sick is so scary. Getting older just scares the bejesus outta me. I literally can not get medical insurance, too many pre’s in my history. I’m so sorry you all had to go through all that. Would you accept a virtual hug?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:37:22pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
None of this would have happened if the ACLU wasn’t around.
/Quack
/
Speaking of which, it is because of groups like the ACLU that this shit will get challenged in court effectively.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:37:47pm |
re: #282 Cato the Elder
I would call down some imprecatory prayers on the heads of these Christofascists, but I have always preferred the ejaculatory variety.
And the Lord spake, saying, ‘First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.’
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:38:04pm |
re: #282 Cato the Elder
I would call down some imprecatory prayers on the heads of these Christofascists, but I have always preferred the ejaculatory variety.
Well they may come around to your view.
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:38:11pm |
re: #193 The Sanity Inspector
For half a century secular liberals have been trying to sneer or sue religious conservatives out of public life. It hasn’t worked and, as has been evidenced in recent decades, it has had the opposite effect.
Ah, yes the poor Christian majority ground under the heel of the mighty secularists. This of course ignores the difficulties atheists/agnostics (hell anyone not professed as Christian) have getting elected because of their lack of faith, and most people in power are Christian. Don’t blame us for the Christian attack on Christians. It seems some Christians, bless their hearts and beliefs, have a better grasp of logic and law than others.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:38:11pm |
re: #279 Alouette
Zedushka is on disability from his neuropathy. He is diabetic, and he is on Medicare and every insurance plan and he gets almost all of his meds for fricken free!
Whereas, my premium is going up to the point I will no longer be able to afford it, all because of my fricken BMI.
Welcome to America, where we punish people for their misfortunes whenever we goddamn well can.
(((Alouette)))
And thanks for the new avatar!
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:38:28pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
Speaking of which, it is because of groups like the ACLU that this shit will get challenged in court effectively.
Yes, they’re consistently on the side of reason when it comes to these matters.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:38:29pm |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
When they stopped hiring people for the long term. Nowadays, workers are seen as replaceable. Moreover, many current companies are owned by institutional investors, whose main aim is short term profit. So if they think a location is understaffed, they think nothing of cutting the “excess”.
In April 07 I was laid off after 8 years for ‘lack of work” the next week my spot was filled with someone half my age for half the pay. I may still yet sue them but I a waiting to see how several class action cases against them are going. Time is on my side.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:38:36pm |
re: #283 The Sanity Inspector
This is why, although I oppose a government-run national health program, I no longer like to employ the argument-by-horror-story. Negligence and screwups are plentiful here as well as in things like the British NHS. For instance, an acquaintance of ours from a local church, not far shy of retirement age, was up a tree cutting branches. This is admittedly a really dumb thing to do, so no need to belabor that point. He fell thirty feet to the ground, and was taken to a hospital in the prosperous end of the county. He couldn’t move, but he was in serious pain. They x-rayed him, didn’t see anything, and told him it was just a scratch and to go home. They literally stuffed him into the passenger seat of his car. His agony continued, so the family called back, and were told to keep an eye on him for a few days, work his limbs to keep them from stiffening up, and come back later. And that’s exactly what they did. By the time his broken neck vertebra was discovered and he was finally admitted into an ICU elsewhere in the area, it was too late. Profound, irreversible spinal damage. Paralyzed for life. In his early 60s, just in time for Christmas.
That just sucks, no two ways about it!
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:39:13pm |
re: #276 Gus 802
A week or so ago, the fundies were all bent out of shape because communist pie gobbler Obama was meeting with an atheist group, after meeting with other faith-based groups.
I fully expect Christmas to be canceled this year.
//
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:39:15pm |
re: #278 LudwigVanQuixote
You mean white Christians honey.
It is not as if they are the most wealthy and powerful people in America is it? Everyone knows that it is the Mexicans who are really in charge!
P.S. it would have been just as ludicrous to use Jews in the above phrase but people are actually stupid enough to believe that.
Exactly. Which reminds me, I dug this up today at right wing watch (bolding a new part I left out earlier):
Last night, Alan Colmes had Janet Porter on his radio program to discuss her recent appearance at the “Convergence 2010” conference where she prayed for God to give Christians total control over the media.
Porter began by suggesting that the footage of her prayer was obtained illegally and that Generals International is considering suing whoever obtained and posted the footage (that would be us) and then things only got worse, with Porter saying that she was not asking for complete control over the media, only equal access. When Colmes pointed out that that was not what she was praying for, as she was asking God to take power away from the unrighteous and give it to the righteous, Porter then made a rather strange attempt at assuring Colmes that she was a great supporter of Israel and Jews, as if that had anything to do with anything.
Colmes then spent several minutes trying to get Porter to answer the simple question of whether she believes that non-Christians should have any power and influence, which she refused to answer before finally saying that yes, that is what she is praying for and then asserting that regardless of what anyone believes, there is a “one true living God.”
For some reason, Porter kept insisting that this was somehow an attack on her right to pray, which Colmes diligently tried to explain was not the issue as nobody was attacking her right to pray or speak as she sees fit, but to no avail.
Eventually, the discussion turned to the May Day prayer rally she is hosting at the Lincoln Memorial and Porter defended her assertions that America is cursed for having elected Barack Obama, that anyone who has ever voted for a pro-choice candidate is cursed, and that anyone who voted for Obama is going to hell.
Pretty clear why Porter made that segue. She believes the evil Jews control the media.
“I don’t hate Jews, I just want to see them perfected and become Christians.”
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:39:30pm |
re: #277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I’ve returned, and am now consuming french fries to which I have added Seasoned Salt.
And now on with the cursing.
Dear Mr. Kragar:
As I’m sure you’re aware, the fine for using salt is $1000 per incident. You are hereby directed to submit a signed, notarized list of precisely how many french fries were in that particular order. You shall also be required to submit a check for the total amount. That is, take the number of fries in the order and multiply that by $1000. Oh, and there’s a 24% surcharge for using Seasoned Salt.
Yours in ever-expanding bureaucracy,
Smedley Dunce-Fimble
Director of Stupid Shit for the State of New York
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:39:36pm |
re: #264 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
I like the little left handed jab at secular society there. Concern trolling at its best :)
I don’t know. The only place I see it is in the news. Sometimes I hear someone say “God Bless You” or “I’ll keep you in my prayers”. I think I’ve heard it more in the last couple of years. In a way, I think there is a certain religious freedom in the air —people aren’t so afraid about being un-PC. I hear alot more references to race too. —not in a bad way.
In referenceing someone, instead of saying “You know the big guy who’s son is “insert name here”, I”ll hear “You know, the tall AA guy.”
If it facilitates communication, I don’t see it as a bad thing. If someone honestly says’ I’ll pray for you, I’m not offended —it’s just their way. As long as they don’t tell me to pray.
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:39:44pm |
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:39:53pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
None of this would have happened if the ACLU wasn’t around.
/Quack
/
All Criminal Lovers Union! Yeah!///
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windsagio Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:40:12pm |
re: #294 theheat
Very progressive of him to recognize the faith of atheism :D
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:40:27pm |
re: #294 theheat
A week or so ago, the fundies were all bent out of shape because communist pie gobbler Obama was meeting with an atheist group, after meeting with other faith-based groups.
I fully expect Christmas to be canceled this year.
//
Obama has banned recreational fishing Christmas!!111
/
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:41:30pm |
re: #298 b_sharp
Buy meat from a local farmer and watch his processing.
Best advice out there. Buy local whenever possible - keep your money in your area, and support your neighbors.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:41:37pm |
re: #296 subsailor68
pssst, got dat salt man… how much you want?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:41:50pm |
re: #297 ggt
I don’t know. The only place I see it is in the news. Sometimes I hear someone say “God Bless You” or “I’ll keep you in my prayers”. I think I’ve heard it more in the last couple of years. In a way, I think there is a certain religious freedom in the air —people aren’t so afraid about being un-PC. I hear alot more references to race too. —not in a bad way.
In referenceing someone, instead of saying “You know the big guy who’s son is “insert name here”, I”ll hear “You know, the tall AA guy.”
If it facilitates communication, I don’t see it as a bad thing. If someone honestly says’ I’ll pray for you, I’m not offended —it’s just their way. As long as they don’t tell me to pray.
There is nothing wrong with being honestly good meaning and praying for someone.
I am a bit religious myself, you may have noticed. I was picking up on the thinly veiled statement made as a question.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:42:41pm |
re: #296 subsailor68
And the citizens of New York can non-violently protest by marching to the sea and making their own! However, I’m not necessarily sure I’d want to use salt dried from the waters of Long Island Sound…
/
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:43:34pm |
re: #280 oaktree
How are the issues with the cat overlords going? IIRC, there were issues with basement cat being too noisy?
Cat Overlord has been kind today. It helps that he has fresh water and a full bowl of food. I also took one of the dogs out of the house for a few hours this morning. Cat would prefer I didn’t bring them back, but he likes it when they are gone for a while.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:43:38pm |
re: #300 windsagio
Pretty cool he recognized them in addition to faith based groups, I should have said.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:43:51pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
Speaking of which, it is because of groups like the ACLU that this shit will get challenged in court effectively.
Maybe. If it stands, then the nation’s textbooks will get worse.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:43:54pm |
re: #296 subsailor68
Dear Mr. Kragar:
As I’m sure you’re aware, the fine for using salt is $1000 per incident. You are hereby directed to submit a signed, notarized list of precisely how many french fries were in that particular order. You shall also be required to submit a check for the total amount. That is, take the number of fries in the order and multiply that by $1000. Oh, and there’s a 24% surcharge for using Seasoned Salt.
Yours in ever-expanding bureaucracy,
Smedley Dunce-Fimble
Director of Stupid Shit for the State of New York
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Stop, please stop, my tummy won’t take anymore laughter!
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:43:58pm |
re: #296 subsailor68
Dear Mr. Kragar:
As I’m sure you’re aware, the fine for using salt is $1000 per incident. You are hereby directed to submit a signed, notarized list of precisely how many french fries were in that particular order. You shall also be required to submit a check for the total amount. That is, take the number of fries in the order and multiply that by $1000. Oh, and there’s a 24% surcharge for using Seasoned Salt.
Yours in ever-expanding bureaucracy,
Smedley Dunce-Fimble
Director of Stupid Shit for the State of New York
According to paragraph 5, subsection 132g of appendix K of the Offical New York guide to dietary requirements, my french fries are exempt because you’re all full of shit.
Sincerely,
Kragar
God Emperor of Kragaristan
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:44:06pm |
re: #305 oaktree
And the citizens of New York can non-violently protest by marching to the sea and making their own! However, I’m not necessarily sure I’d want to use salt dried from the waters of Long Island Sound…
/
If you’re not sure about the Long Island Sound salt, I know a guy who can get you all you want. Just get in touch with brookly red.
;-)
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:44:21pm |
re: #305 oaktree
… non-violently protest by marching to the sea and making their own!
/
Ya know, that’d make a great movie scene
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:44:50pm |
re: #295 iceweasel
Do not even get me started…
One massive beauty of the Modern State of Israel, is that even though we have served with distinction in the militaries of every nation we live in, Israel means an army of our own - and we kick ass.
IDF = perfect this bitch :)
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:44:57pm |
re: #205 Obdicut
Oh lord.
Having just used him in the last thread as an example of a great man who stood up to McCarthyism, I just learned that my good friend and mentor, Charles Muscatine, has died.
I cannot express what he meant to me and what he meant to the world.
I can say that I never knew him to make an unethical decision.
It is so anger-making that on the same day he passes, this is happening in Texas.
[Link: www.trackedinamerica.org…]
I miss you already, Charles. Thank you for being a wonderful and brave man.
I’ll continue to fight as best I can for what you stood for.
My condolences Obdicut. People like that become part of us, our thoughts, our understanding of the world, even our personality. Losing a person like that is like losing a part of ourselves.
Even in the depths of your sorrow, you are very lucky to have known such a person.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:45:03pm |
re: #305 oaktree
And the citizens of New York can non-violently protest by marching to the sea and making their own! However, I’m not necessarily sure I’d want to use salt dried from the waters of Long Island Sound…
/
wait I am thinking of some Indian guy… Gandhi or something like that.
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Liberal Classic Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:45:05pm |
Science standards aren’t the only curricula affected by social conservatives.
Texas ed board adopts social studies standards
sfgate.com
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:45:06pm |
re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
According to paragraph 5, subsection 132g of appendix K of the Offical New York guide to dietary requirements, my french fries are exempt because you’re all full of shit.
Sincerely,
Kragar
God Emperor of Kragaristan
Long Live Emperor Kragar!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:46:25pm |
re: #308 Dark_Falcon
Maybe. If it stands, then the nation’s textbooks will get worse.
I hope, with all my heart that this is the issue that gets the average American awake to just how whacko these loons are. Of course, with the right GOP judges on the right bench, it could swing the other way.
Remember, when a right wing judge throws out constitutional principles it is for the sake of Jesus and not legislating from the bench.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:46:47pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:46:49pm |
re: #311 subsailor68
“First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women”
-Homer Simpson
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:47:26pm |
What ever happened with the “banning recreational fishing” meme?
I heared a blurb about it, but that is all.
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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:47:31pm |
re: #283 The Sanity Inspector
This is why, although I oppose a government-run national health program, I no longer like to employ the argument-by-horror-story. Negligence and screwups are plentiful here as well as in things like the British NHS. For instance, an acquaintance of ours from a local church, not far shy of retirement age, was up a tree cutting branches. This is admittedly a really dumb thing to do, so no need to belabor that point. He fell thirty feet to the ground, and was taken to a hospital in the prosperous end of the county. He couldn’t move, but he was in serious pain. They x-rayed him, didn’t see anything, and told him it was just a scratch and to go home. They literally stuffed him into the passenger seat of his car. His agony continued, so the family called back, and were told to keep an eye on him for a few days, work his limbs to keep them from stiffening up, and come back later. And that’s exactly what they did. By the time his broken neck vertebra was discovered and he was finally admitted into an ICU elsewhere in the area, it was too late. Profound, irreversible spinal damage. Paralyzed for life. In his early 60s, just in time for Christmas.
So, how much did he settle for in his malpractice suit?
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:47:47pm |
re: #320 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And hopefully you don’t go through Duncan Idahos like they were potatoes…
;)
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:48:00pm |
re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
According to paragraph 5, subsection 132g of appendix K of the Offical New York guide to dietary requirements, my french fries are exempt because you’re all full of shit.
Sincerely,
Kragar
God Emperor of Kragaristan
Dear Mr. Kragar:
It has come to my attention that, while you’re correct about your diplomatic status and the subsection you cited in your letter does exempt you from the salt fines, I do notice you have over 17,000 parking tickets from areas in and around the U.N. building. Any chance of collecting any of that?
Best wishes for continued success in diplomatic arrogance,
Smedley Dunce-Fimble
Director of Trying to Collect Freakin’ Parking Fines from Diplomats for the State of New York.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:48:16pm |
/ Oh lookie here… a 12 gauge salt dispenser… cool.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:48:18pm |
re: #321 Mad Al-Jaffee
“First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women”
-Homer Simpson
I’m telling you, it’s jobs. We gotta get jobs. Then we get the khakis. Then we get the chicks.
-Joe Cooper
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:48:23pm |
re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote
I hope, with all my heart that this is the issue that gets the average American awake to just how whacko these loons are. Of course, with the right GOP judges on the right bench, it could swing the other way.
Remember, when a right wing judge throws out constitutional principles it is for the sake of Jesus and not legislating from the bench.
This is one reason a lot of parents choose to home-school —not as some would have you believe for religious reasons.
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:48:54pm |
re: #319 Varek Raith
Interesting avatar changes…
XD
Lots of micturating* going on.
/
*New word from Cato.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:48:57pm |
re: #325 subsailor68
Dear Mr. Kragar:
It has come to my attention that, while you’re correct about your diplomatic status and the subsection you cited in your letter does exempt you from the salt fines, I do notice you have over 17,000 parking tickets from areas in and around the U.N. building. Any chance of collecting any of that?
Best wishes for continued success in diplomatic arrogance,
Smedley Dunce-Fimble
Director of Trying to Collect Freakin’ Parking Fines from Diplomats for the State of New York.
Ow ow ow! LMAO now I can’t find it and its all you fault!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:49:04pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:49:08pm |
re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
According to paragraph 5, subsection 132g of appendix K of the Offical New York guide to dietary requirements, my french fries are exempt because you’re all full of shit.
Sincerely,
Kragar
God Emperor of Kragaristan
I could donate some turbolaser batteries to your fine Kingdom for “persuasion”.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:49:30pm |
re: #325 subsailor68
Dear Mr. Kragar:
It has come to my attention that, while you’re correct about your diplomatic status and the subsection you cited in your letter does exempt you from the salt fines, I do notice you have over 17,000 parking tickets from areas in and around the U.N. building. Any chance of collecting any of that?
Best wishes for continued success in diplomatic arrogance,
Smedley Dunce-Fimble
Director of Trying to Collect Freakin’ Parking Fines from Diplomats for the State of New York.
No.
Sincerely,
Kragar
God Emperor of Kragaristan
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:49:43pm |
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:49:45pm |
re: #322 ggt
Christmas, recreational fishing, and salt will be banned. Not necessarily in that order.
//
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:50:10pm |
re: #329 Gus 802
Lots of micturating* going on.
/
*New word from Cato.
Heh, good thing I have dictionary.com in my bookmarks toolbar!
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:50:11pm |
re: #333 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
No.
Sincerely,
Kragar
God Emperor of Kragaristan
Sigh, didn’t think so.
Smedley
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:50:20pm |
re: #291 Gus 802
Yes, they’re consistently on the side of reason when it comes to these matters.
The ACLU? Well, not always. They litigated to take a teensy-weensy cross off the top of a teensy-weensy image of the Hollywood Bowl on the seal of Los Angeles County. And won.
Now there’s a battle worth fighting.
After they blew that great blow for secularism, I wrote them and asked when they would sue Maryland for the Catholic crosses bottony on the state flag.
They actually wrote back to offer their services. At which point I mocked them to death and sent them a check for their other good work.
Screwballs, screwballs everywhere, and nary a fool to think!
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:51:00pm |
re: #314 b_sharp
I know. If anything, my memories of him from long ago are becoming stronger, now.
Here, since it’s appropriate:
Here’s his book about how to fix college education in the United States:
And for any Chaucerians in the house:
His book on Chaucer and the French tradition.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:51:02pm |
re: #335 theheat
Christmas, recreational fishing, and salt will be banned. Not necessarily in that order.
//
And if these guys are in power,
Free thought, science, music and the pleasurable use of genitals will be banned
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Gus Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:51:05pm |
re: #338 Cato the Elder
The ACLU? Well, not always. They litigated to take a teensy-weensy cross off the top of a teensy-weensy image of the Hollywood Bowl on the seal of Los Angeles County. And won.
Now there’s a battle worth fighting.
After they blew that great blow for secularism, I wrote them and asked when they would sue Maryland for the Catholic crosses bottony on the state flag.
They actually wrote back to offer their services. At which point I mocked them to death and sent them a check for their other good work.
Screwballs, screwballs everywhere, and nary a fool to think!
Yeah, I didn’t say they were perfect. ;)
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:51:17pm |
re: #334 Mad Al-Jaffee
Have you seen Kill Bill?
I have not seen kill anyone… I was not there, that is not my gun you have nothing.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:51:51pm |
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:52:03pm |
re: #338 Cato the Elder
They were perfectly right to press that lawsuit.
By the way, if you haven’t read Muscatine on Chaucer, you’d probably like him a lot. Linked above.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:52:59pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:53:14pm |
re: #338 Cato the Elder
How many denarii did you give them. Or did you go modern on them and use shillings just to mess with their decimal-based accounting system?
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:53:15pm |
re: #303 brookly red
pssst, got dat salt man… how much you want?
I’m having some friends over for a barbecue this weekend…can I get a quarter? Or what kinda deal will you cut me on a half?
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:53:22pm |
re: #208 Charles
I don’t agree with this at all.
The reason why the religious fanatics are all lathered up is because they’re losing power over the lives of other people, and they’re becoming increasingly desperate to regain that power.
Though I agree in principle, that argument is a bit shallow. They are afraid that they are losing the power to guarantee the type of education and environment given their children and the education they are currently receiving will lead them astray of their chance for heaven. Likewise the environment. Like most people they want their kids to be happy, and because of their religious beliefs they want their kids to reach heaven after death.
I disagree with their beliefs but I understand their fears for their children, because I too want the best for my kids and grandkid. I want them to do the best they can now because this life is all they get. This is also why I don’t want them to have any control.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:55:08pm |
re: #285 Dragon_Lady
Good Lord. *sigh* Getting sick is so scary. Getting older just scares the bejesus outta me. I literally can not get medical insurance, too many pre’s in my history. I’m so sorry you all had to go through all that. Would you accept a virtual hug?
{DL}
yep, and backatcha!
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:55:20pm |
re: #223 goddamnedfrank
Damn. I got a nice letter explaining that I was being laid off for budgetary reasons, that I was eligible for future re-hire, and instructions that I should file for unemployment insurance. You did see this coming though, and considering the economy I think it has to be for economic reasons.
Once upon a time HR stood for human relations, when the fuck did it become okay for companies to openly treat people like resources, to be bought and used up?
Why do you think unions were originally formed?
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:55:22pm |
re: #340 LudwigVanQuixote
Really, spacejesus’ idea about the 100 (?) foot robot sounds pretty good right now.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:55:33pm |
re: #347 Girth
I’m having some friends over for a barbecue this weekend…can I get a quarter? Or what kinda deal will you cut me on a half?
dude, genuine diamond crystal, in the box unopened… i like you but you gotta respect the quality…
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:55:39pm |
re: #348 b_sharp
I think the major issue is that they seem to lack any empathy that someone might legitimately hold a different viewpoint and the toleration to allow that viewpoint to receive equal treatment under the law and government.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:55:56pm |
re: #335 theheat
Christmas, recreational fishing, and salt will be banned. Not necessarily in that order.
//
So, basically, you’re telling me that my plans to make a Christmas wreath out of salted fish I caught I myself are RIGHT OUT?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:56:28pm |
re: #338 Cato the Elder
I’m surprised they haven’t sued to have every town named after a Saint changed.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:57:14pm |
re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist
So, basically, you’re telling me that my plans to make a Christmas wreath out of salted fish I caught I myself are RIGHT OUT?
uh-oh, that is fema camp shit…
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:57:19pm |
re: #356 Obdicut
I think even Chuck Norris would fear a 1000-foot tall robotic Theodore Roosevelt.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:57:30pm |
re: #351 theheat
Really, spacejesus’ idea about the 100 (?) foot robot sounds pretty good right now.
I’d like to BS with Hitchens while he smokes suckers with the eye lasers, if this thing is actually gonna happen.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:57:49pm |
re: #356 Obdicut
1000 foot robotic Thomas Paine.
I do have a robot army. I could rent it out if anyone’s interested in some mayhem.
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theheat Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:58:14pm |
re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist
Especially if you whip that baby up while you’re chillin’ on Vicodin.
Sorry, SFZ, but you’re screwed.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:58:27pm |
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
They need to deal with it the way our founding fathers did in our early secular society; the pursuit of knowledge, truth, and a few gawt-damned productive hobbies.
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Professor Chaos Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:59:14pm |
re: #360 Girth
I’d like to BS with Hitchens while he smokes suckers with the eye lasers, if this thing is actually gonna happen.
Someone tell Hitchens I’ll bring the scotch. That should seal the deal.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:59:15pm |
re: #355 Mad Al-Jaffee
I’m surprised they haven’t sued to have every town named after a Saint changed.
Dear Voter!
On election day, it’s critical to go to the polls to have the name of our city changed. St. Louis is completely inappropriate in a nation like ours. We need to drop the word “Saint” and replace it with something more appropriate like, say….”Bob”.
Yours Truly
Bob Louis
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:59:34pm |
Maybe I’m living in a pipe dream, but at some point, but I hope the major publishing companies will simply throw their hands up and say, ‘that’s nice, you can demand whatever standards you want, but we’re not going to publish a book that meets it. Go find some small company who’s willing to sacrifice the education of our youth for a few years profit.’
At some point we as parents, teachers, companies, and human beings have to realize that we cannot be willing accomplices to the destruction of our children, our students, and our future. Is this the point that we say enough is enough?
Charles, what can we do to put pressure on publishing companies and our state educators to not permit the standards to take root in the rest of Americas’ education? Can we contact the board of regents? demand that students brought up in this curriculum be considered unready for collage in other states? Can we contact the State Superintendents of education an demand that these books not be used in our state, instead sticking with older editions or go with other publishers that don’t twist and alter science and history in ways that damage the future of our country?
It’s time to become the squeaky wheel and make ourselves heard.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 12:59:57pm |
re: #361 Varek Raith
I do have a robot army. I could rent it out if anyone’s interested in some mayhem.
bad ROI… I can get unemployed ACORN workers @ 10 to 1… even if only 4 show up.
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Donna Ballard Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:00:08pm |
re: #349 reine.de.tout
{DL}
yep, and backatcha!
Now I feel all warm and fuzzy, oh wait the cat just rubbed on me. Darn…
Thanks Sweetie!
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:00:23pm |
re: #359 oaktree
I think even Chuck Norris would fear a 1000-foot tall robotic Theodore Roosevelt.
Mecha Washington, Jefferson, Adams (Samuel and John), and Franklin comebine to form MECHA FOUNDING FATHER!
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:01:12pm |
re: #369 Dragon_Lady
Now I feel all warm and fuzzy, oh wait the cat just rubbed on me. Darn…
Thanks Sweetie!
You either did something good, or you are in big trouble.
Remember, when Don Corlenone kisses you it’s not necessarily a good thing.
/
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:01:21pm |
re: #371 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Mecha Washington, Jefferson, Adams (Samuel and John), and Franklin comebine to form MECHA FOUNDING FATHER!
And then they sit down and have a beer. (Though I think John Adams was actually very fond of having cider every day.)
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Kragar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:01:39pm |
re: #361 Varek Raith
I do have a robot army. I could rent it out if anyone’s interested in some mayhem.
Soulless abominations with no properly sanctified machine spirts! Combat servitors are the way to go, plus they get rid of prison overcrowding.
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iceweasel Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:01:53pm |
re: #294 theheat
A week or so ago, the fundies were all bent out of shape because communist pie gobbler Obama was meeting with an atheist group, after meeting with other faith-based groups.
I fully expect Christmas to be canceled this year.
//
ha. Brilliant. :)
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:02:25pm |
re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Soulless abominations with no properly sanctified machine spirts! Combat servitors are the way to go, plus they get rid of prison overcrowding.
Nexus units cost a bit more up-front, but they’re a lot more useful
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:03:10pm |
re: #368 brookly red
bad ROI… I can get unemployed ACORN workers @ 10 to 1… even if only 4 show up.
Yeah but, do ACORN employees have a fusion powered microwave laser that can scour the landscape in an instant??? Or the ability to drop in from orbit??? How about my patented nano-repair system that makes them impervious to any nation’s firepower???
Yeah…
:P
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:04:15pm |
re: #359 oaktree
I think even Chuck Norris would fear a 1000-foot tall robotic Theodore Roosevelt.
Chuck Norris should fear the honest to goodness, life-sized Theodore Roosevelt. And if he doesn’t… well let’s just say that Chuck is damn lucky Teddy isn’t around to teach him that kind of fear.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:04:59pm |
re: #373 oaktree
And then they sit down and have a beer. (Though I think John Adams was actually very fond of having cider every day.)
New Englander to the core. Although I have heard that he thought the German beer in Pennsylvania was very good.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:05:50pm |
re: #377 Varek Raith
Yeah but, do ACORN employees have a fusion powered microwave laser that can scour the landscape in an instant??? Or the ability to drop in from orbit??? How about my patented nano-repair system that makes them impervious to any nation’s firepower???
Yeah…
:P
whatever… can your robots operate with immunity from federal prosecution?
ha! didn’t think so.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:06:43pm |
re: #380 brookly red
whatever… can your robots operate with immunity from federal prosecution?
ha! didn’t think so.
Hello? Lasers. Can’t prosecute if they ain’t got no courthouse!
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:07:48pm |
re: #381 Varek Raith
Hello? Lasers. Can’t prosecute if they ain’t got no courthouse!
interesting… would you care for a spot of tea?
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:08:09pm |
re: #380 brookly red
whatever… can your robots operate with immunity from federal prosecution?
ha! didn’t think so.
Big Robot ripped us off!
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:08:20pm |
re: #353 oaktree
I think the major issue is that they seem to lack any empathy that someone might legitimately hold a different viewpoint and the toleration to allow that viewpoint to receive equal treatment under the law and government.
People like Hovind, Ham, Gish, etc. are in it for the money, people like Donahue, Roberts, etc. are in it for the power, people like my dad’s ex-wife and her BIL, are in it for the fear. Lots of people, lots of different reasons.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:08:38pm |
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:09:21pm |
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:09:53pm |
re: #359 oaktree
I think even Chuck Norris would fear a 1000-foot tall robotic Theodore Roosevelt.
Chuck Norris is afraid of his shadow. Read his sophomoric, fear laden, WingNutDaily articles.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:10:56pm |
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AlexRogan Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:13:55pm |
re: #208 Charles
I don’t agree with this at all.
The reason why the religious fanatics are all lathered up is because they’re losing power over the lives of other people, and they’re becoming increasingly desperate to regain that power.
Using the phrase “American Taliban” to describe the hard-core religious right has been an issue for me, because the word “Taliban” is such a loaded term with specific connotations, but it really looks like McElroy and his ilk really are trying to do (in part) what the Taliban have done, aside from armed insurrection.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:16:31pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it was in Poulan’s _Botany of Desire_ (read this book!) that he pointed out an interesting fact about the famous Johnny Appleseed. The seeds he planted were collected from cider mills. And apple seeds are a heavy genetic mixing from the parent pollen and flower; e.g. seeds from a good “eating apple” will probably not produce a tree that grows good eating apples. The apple industry is aware of this and grafting is the key for keeping well-liked apple breeds in production.
So the seeds (and seedlings) that Johnny was planting and growing were essentially not going to be good for eating and pie. About all they would be good for was squeezing for cider. Which could then easily be allowed to ferment into “hard cider”. So Johnny was essentially guaranteeing that the American frontier would have a ready alcohol source on hand.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:19:46pm |
re: #390 oaktree
I think it was in Poulan’s _Botany of Desire_ (read this book!) that he pointed out an interesting fact about the famous Johnny Appleseed. The seeds he planted were collected from cider mills. And apple seeds are a heavy genetic mixing from the parent pollen and flower; e.g. seeds from a good “eating apple” will probably not produce a tree that grows good eating apples. The apple industry is aware of this and grafting is the key for keeping well-liked apple breeds in production.
o the seeds (and seedlings) that Johnny was planting and growing were essentially not going to be good for eating and pie. About all they would be good for was squeezing for cider. Which could then easily be allowed to ferment into “hard cider”. So Johnny was essentially guaranteeing that the American frontier would have a ready alcohol source on hand.
And for that men are eternaly grateful, Lord hear our prayer.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:20:16pm |
re: #389 talon_262
When the word goes out that Jefferson’s, Lincoln’s, and Roosevelt’s faces are going to be blown off of Mt Rushmore it will be much too late.
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garhighway Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:21:25pm |
re: #62 Ojoe
Except the Democrats say fiscal responsibility & then propose tripling the national debt.
At least they would teach you real math.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:25:40pm |
re: #298 b_sharp
Buy meat from a local farmer and watch his processing.
I’ve considered that.
At this point, I’m so revolted by the idea of ever eating chicken again (especially after what I’ve read about the way it’s processed) that just the thought of it makes me ill. And ironically enough, I’ve just finished a section in the book where he goes to a smaller, more local processor and watches them slaughter pigs. Even that was difficult to tolerate.
Right now, I’m in a weird place with regards to food. I’m doing an awful lot of thinking, that’s for sure.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:26:33pm |
re: #390 oaktree
I think it was in Poulan’s _Botany of Desire_ (read this book!) that he pointed out an interesting fact about the famous Johnny Appleseed. The seeds he planted were collected from cider mills. And apple seeds are a heavy genetic mixing from the parent pollen and flower; e.g. seeds from a good “eating apple” will probably not produce a tree that grows good eating apples. The apple industry is aware of this and grafting is the key for keeping well-liked apple breeds in production.
So the seeds (and seedlings) that Johnny was planting and growing were essentially not going to be good for eating and pie. About all they would be good for was squeezing for cider. Which could then easily be allowed to ferment into “hard cider”. So Johnny was essentially guaranteeing that the American frontier would have a ready alcohol source on hand.
All correct except it’s Pollan, and one should always include the Amazon/lgf link when recommending books!
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 12, 2010 1:37:34pm |
re: #395 wrenchwench
All correct except it’s Pollan, and one should always include the Amazon/lgf link when recommending books!
Doh! And I’m usually quite good at doing that.
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Political Atheist Fri, Mar 12, 2010 2:06:18pm |
Okay I’ll post this in a couple places, but as we oppose the Texas Textbook Massacre- Lets each who cares enough to post here call our local district and beg, plead, insist these changes not hit the schools in (fill in your town). Grass roots folks, take 5 minutes.
Thanks!
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Petero1818 Fri, Mar 12, 2010 2:23:08pm |
Dude fully believes that separation of church and state is a matter of liberal bias. At its core, that is the problem.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 12, 2010 3:11:49pm |
re: #208 Charles
re: #124 Spare O’Lake
What on earth accounts for this powerful resurgence of religious extremism in America? I suspect it is in part a reaction which is being caused by some very deep-seated psychological needs which are going unfulfilled in our modern secular society.
I don’t agree with this at all.
The reason why the religious fanatics are all lathered up is because they’re losing power over the lives of other people, and they’re becoming increasingly desperate to regain that power.
Would you not agree that one of our deep-seated psychological needs which is going largely unfulfilled these days is the need to regain a sense of some semblance of control over the multitude of forces which affect our own lives? America has lost much of its economic preeminence; American military supremacy is under challenge; the MSM lacks decency and ethics; many American politicians seem to be a bunch of crooked, self-serving, immoral liars; society’s thirst for cheap energy and cheap goods has cost America much of its manufacturing base and hi-tech jobs; and many people are out of work and many have lost their homes. The future is uncertain.
The separation of Church and State is under siege partly as a result of peoples’ difficulty in handling the terrible mess they are in. Many are so desperate for answers that they are vulnerable to being sucked in by the facile explanations and promises of the religious extremists.
This is the context in which I view this rise in religious extremism.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 12, 2010 4:47:18pm |
re: #399 Spare O’Lake
Would you not agree that one of our deep-seated psychological needs which is going largely unfulfilled these days is the need to regain a sense of some semblance of control over the multitude of forces which affect our own lives?
I don’t agree; with the premise that this is anything new. Would you not agree that the same argument could have applied at any time in the past when lightening, earthquakes, storms, drought, pestilence and curses from your enemies were afoot, and that to many the same still applies?
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boofar Fri, Mar 12, 2010 5:31:07pm |
Wow that’s messed up.
My pet peeve? The president of the Confederacy and having his words on par with Lincoln. You seceded, you betray. That man deserves nothing but complete and unrestrained contempt for having torn the country apart.
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acacia Fri, Mar 12, 2010 11:55:57pm |
re: #401 boofar
I’d like to have a little more info on that one and I sure hope there’s more to it than meets the eye, but it sure sounded strange.
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acacia Sat, Mar 13, 2010 12:00:39am |
re: #398 Petero1818
The separation of Church and State is a fundamental founding principle. The First Amendment is masterful because it protects BOTH the right to practice your religious beliefs and the right not to have the state dictate religious beliefs. I didn’t think this was a controversial subject.
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