Man I was trying to think of something pithy to get the thread started, but I came up blank.

What an utterly loathesome human being.

Pretty heartless. Even Hot Air readers had enough restraint to stay classy on the Reid thread last I checked.

That sounds so sociopathic. It's ridiculous.

So the standard of care in this country is what this person has done, personally, for Dan Riehl?

Next, he'll say he's pro-life.

I hope somehow Reid never even hears about this. He shouldn't have to.

Defense of this in 5,4,3,2...

Harry Reid is one of my least favorite politicians, but I wish he and his family healing.

What a low-life piece of shit. I don't like H. Reid, but it would have never even dawned on me to stoop so low as to say anything remotely like this about his wife while she's in the hospital.

*SPIT*

Reihl is mentally ill.

1. NPR said yesterday that the mom, and more injured of the two, was moving her fingers and toes last night. I forget the term they used, but all the nerves are still working despite the broken back and neck, so all the rest that's wrong with her can be fixed...slowly and painfully.

2. I'm going to quibble with the premise of the thread. It is a characteristic of "blogese," if that's a word, to engage in rhetorical hyperbole and satire. I don't know this man and will never read his diatribes, but that's just the nature of the beast. 10,000 voices are all trying to be heard. Not everyone can make it on talent and intelligence. Not every reader is interested in the opinions of the talented and intelligent. In the old days, pundits just had to figure out where to find bow ties, then he would stick out as "that one with the bow tie". Nowadays there's almost no such thing as bad publicity. I've seen much worse.

Dan Riehl represents the right? I don't think I ever read his blog. Is he popular?

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

Defense of this in 5,4,3,2...

re: #10 keloyd

re: #9 Stanley Sea

I would agree, except that it would make him seem somehow less responsible.

What is it with sick and injured people that makes these people go on the attack so much?

Schiavo, the kid involved in the SCHIPP thing, and now Reid's wife. It's so ridiculously intrusive.

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

Look at me defend the brand!

FiXt.

Mr. Riehl, Jonathan Swift you ain't.

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

lol, I think...(?)

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

re: #10 keloyd

When you're right, you're right.

Last week, I took Sean Penn over the coals for wishing his critics "die of rectal cancer".
To say that Riehl has surpassed that statement does not even begin to describe it.

Riehl, you are a disgusting piece of filth. My only solace is that you most likely are a Sean Penn critic!!

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

He's of the right-wing, I don't think anyone here has made the claim that he represents the right-wing.

re: #13 jaunte

I would agree, except that it would make him seem somehow less responsible.

True, true.

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

Dan Riehl represents the right? I don't think I ever read his blog. Is he popular?

He's pretty popular and frequently linked to from Michelle Malkin, Hot Air and Instapundit.

re: #13 jaunte

I would agree, except that it would make him seem somehow less responsible.

True. Where some see mental illness, I see plain-old-fashioned meanness and spite.

Bastard.
And a liar:
"I realize her crook of a husband and his pals in Congress have excluded themselves from the mess they’re going to compel everyone else to join, but we’re still paying the bills, are we not?"

That is just. not. so.
Members of Congress will be forced to use the exchange.
I have no problem with people who do not want HC reform to pass, but base your concerns on reality.

re: #18 bratwurst

When you're right, you're right.

So... you agree with keloyd and his statement?

re: #10 keloyd

1. NPR said yesterday that the mom, and more injured of the two, was moving her fingers and toes last night. I forget the term they used, but all the nerves are still working despite the broken back and neck, so all the rest that's wrong with her can be fixed...slowly and painfully.

2. I'm going to quibble with the premise of the thread. It is a characteristic of "blogese," if that's a word, to engage in rhetorical hyperbole and satire. I don't know this man and will never read his diatribes, but that's just the nature of the beast. 10,000 voices are all trying to be heard. Not everyone can make it on talent and intelligence. Not every reader is interested in the opinions of the talented and intelligent. In the old days, pundits just had to figure out where to find bow ties, then he would stick out as "that one with the bow tie". Nowadays there's almost no such thing as bad publicity. I've seen much worse.

Do.Not.Defend.This.Piece.Of.Shit.

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Why on earth would you interpret it that way, Walter? He's talking to you.

re: #22 Killgore Trout

He's pretty popular and frequently linked to from Michelle Malkin, Hot Air and Instapundit.

Since I rarely click those blogs I just missed the links to his site. I can't say I'm sorry after reading what he wrote today.

This post is especially foul, but it's by no means unusual in the right wing blogosphere these days.

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

So... you agree with keloyd and his statement?

Not at all...I was stating that you were absolutely correct in your prediction. Right only meant "correct", sorry to have worded it so poorly.

re: #27 Obdicut

Why on earth would you interpret it that way, Walter? He's talking to you.

I didn't realize that. In the comment to me, he had a link to keloyd's comment... and under that "when you are right, you're right." I thought he was referencing keloyd.

My mistake. I apologize.

re: #24 webevintage

That is just. not. so.
Members of Congress will be forced to use the exchange

Since when? Last I heard there was a motion (that lost, iirc) that would have forced congress to be on it. But I believe they can still maintain their Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)
NOTE ,,, this is in NO way defending Riehl and anything he stated

re: #24 webevintage
ooopppsss ,, meant to add [Link: www.emaxhealth.com...]

re: #32 sattv4u2

I think we're just about past the point where there's any further room for discussion on the terms of us all agreeing 'yeah he's awful', anyways :p

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

I didn't realize that. In the comment to me, he had a link to keloyd's comment... and under that "when you are right, you're right." I thought he was referencing keloyd.

My mistake. I apologize.

"When you're correct, you're correct" has too many syllables to be pithy is all. As a man of letters, I know you appreciate this. ;)

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

I didn't realize that. In the comment to me, he had a link to keloyd's comment... and under that "when you are right, you're right." I thought he was referencing keloyd.

My mistake. I apologize.

You were too busy trying to find that naked picture of yourself for your avatar, huh!?!?

re: #36 sattv4u2

I could send Walter an avatar, I think it'd summ him up perfectly!

re: #29 Charles

This post is especially foul, but it's by no means unusual in the right wing blogosphere these days.

It has come to that Charles..
Disgusting

I have to disagree on this being an example of right wing excess.

You may not care for some of Dan Riehl's politics but I don't think there was anything out of bounds with his satire.

I don't recall the same concern when Dick Cheney was in the hospital and lefty blogger people openly prayed for his demise. There are lots of other examples.

I take satire for what it is meant to be- an expression often designed to elicit outrage and make a point.

re: #37 windsagio

My tongue, I am holding it.

re: #34 windsagio

I think we're just about past the point where there's any further room for discussion on the terms of us all agreeing 'yeah he's awful', anyways :p

Thanks ,,, but I didn;t want ANY ambiguity!
(("see,, SATTV defended Riehl because he agreed about the congress/ health care exempt part ,,))

been here a LONG time!

I haven't read the guy's post. I won't click the link and give him my hit, I all I've read is the excerpt.

But was he a big Schaivo supporter? I mean does he truly not get the difference between what debated in the Schaivo episode? It seems like he's trying to say the the "left" wants living wills and to permit people to die, so let's just give them what they want: Let her die.

I may have it wrong, but that's what it looks like to me. It's like the nuance of the position on living wills is just lost on him.

re: #39 researchok

Tu quoque alert! Tu quoque alert!

re: #39 researchok

Well, you just elicited my outrage.

re: #40 negativ

I'll find some free hosting, its not what you think :D

re: #40 negativ

My tongue, I am holding it.

Must be hard to speak that way ,, or at worse ,, understood!

re: #39 researchok

GAK!

Just to clarify, Walter, and others, I'm never visiting this clown's site. I will never defend this degree of poor taste. "Defense" is different than "resignation to our fate." Ten thousand nuts say stuff like this every day. Many of them have aspirations to run a big, popular blog like this one, with enough popularity for it to be something more than a hobby someday, but first they need publicity.

When we give him attention, we are doing his bidding. When we shake our fists at him, we do his bidding. When we give him publicity of any kind, we do his bidding. When he sees all the hits on his blog from Charles' link, we have done his bidding. Ignoring this guy is the only correct move, imho.

Now that my KArma is even for the day, it's lunch time.

re: #47 sattv4u2

GAK!

Where am I off base?

re: #48 keloyd

It's a google cache. He gets no hits.

And no, ignoring them won't make them go away.

I'm tired of this poor-ass argument.

re: #40 negativ

See, isn't he cute?

re: #39 researchok

I don't recall the same concern when Dick Cheney was in the hospital and lefty blogger people openly prayed for his demise. There are lots of other examples.

The comments wishing for his death were all over the place on websites like CNN, MSNBC, and the usual lefty blogs. I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

re: #39 researchok

I don't recall the same concern when Dick Cheney was in the hospital and lefty blogger people openly prayed for his demise.

It was covered here on LGF. Huffpo used to have to close down comments.

Wait a minute - wasn't it Sarah Palin who was afraid Obama was coming to kill grandma with his deth panils? And now Riehl thinks he and Ried should go ahead and do it?

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

You have a very selective memory.

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

And this makes it right because...

God, won't anyone take the high road anymore?

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

The comments wishing for his death were all over the place on websites like CNN, MSNBC, and the usual lefty blogs. I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

And that is my point. Either satire is satire or equal standards apply.

re: #32 sattv4u2

That is just. not. so.
Members of Congress will be forced to use the exchange

Since when? Last I heard there was a motion (that lost, iirc) that would have forced congress to be on it. But I believe they can still maintain their Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)
NOTE ,,, this is in NO way defending Riehl and anything he stated

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Section 1312
D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE—

(i) REQUIREMENT—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are—

(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or

II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

(ii) DEFINITIONS—In this section:

(I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS—The term ‘‘Member of Congress’’ means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.

(II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF—The term ‘‘congressional staff’’ means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.

re: #50 Obdicut

It's a google cache. He gets no hits.

I didn't realize that. I'll read the whole thing (with my nose held tightly).

re: #49 researchok

Where am I off base?

You may not care for some of Dan Riehl's politics but I don't think there was anything out of bounds with his satire.

If you think that what Riehl said was "satire",, even BAD "satire" I suggest you get a funny bone transplant, because yours doesn't function like mine!

re: #58 webevintage

thanks

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Why? They were probably just 'satire'.

Freedom of speech does not mean that anyone has to accept outrageous speech as acceptable social behavior. Tying this to abortion, as he did, is a massive abuse, dragging one of the most fraught issues in American politics in, just to make a cheap shot at a man desperately worried about the health of his sixty-nine year old wife.

re: #39 researchok

I have to disagree on this being an example of right wing excess.

You may not care for some of Dan Riehl's politics but I don't think there was anything out of bounds with his satire.

His opening 'point' if you could call it that, just simply not true.

If Democrats want so badly to abort babies because of it (cost)...

That fight isn't about costs, so his whole argument is specious.

re: #51 windsagio

See, isn't he cute?

If this was a "suggestion" for a new avatar for me, forget it. I can't stand Japanese cartoons, or anime or what ever they are calling it this week.

Yuck.

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Pretty heartless. Even Hot Air readers had enough restraint to stay classy on the Reid thread last I checked.

Agreed. Anyone who would call a elderly woman who got into a car accident like that "used up" as Riehl did is scum.

dan riehl reads like a troll.
I looked through his blog, he appears to be off his meds.
If this is real, and not a moby blog, I would say that he is the most ignorable asshole I have ever seen.

Blech. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm having a bad day as it is.

Out.

re: #61 sattv4u2

thanks

You are welcome...and thanks to you for making go back and find that so i could bookmark it.

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

The comments wishing for his death were all over the place on websites like CNN, MSNBC, and the usual lefty blogs. I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

You recall wrong. And you are now defending Dan fucking Riehl. It's not worth it to let your tribalism take over.

re: #53 Killgore Trout

It was covered here on LGF. Huffpo used to have to close down comments.

True. Still, there sentiments were there.

Recall too the 'Cheney shot the guy on purpose tsunami (most of which made me LMAO) by lefty bloggers and how they went after his daughter.

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

one of the cutest images I could find for you (like their stuff or not, they sure freakin' know cute) :p

I'm trying encompass your cuddliness in one 32k image, and its damn hard.

re: #39 researchok

I have to disagree on this being an example of right wing excess.

You may not care for some of Dan Riehl's politics but I don't think there was anything out of bounds with his satire.

I don't recall the same concern when Dick Cheney was in the hospital and lefty blogger people openly prayed for his demise. There are lots of other examples.

I take satire for what it is meant to be- an expression often designed to elicit outrage and make a point.

THIS IS NOT SATIRE.

Not any more satire than my comment "Defense of this in 5,4,3,2..." up thread was satire...

"Although satire is usually meant to be funny, the purpose of satire is not primarily humour in itself so much as an attack on something of which the author strongly disapproves, using the weapon of wit."

HE WASN'T FUNNY... got that.

Or are you saying you were laughing all the way through the article?

re: #71 windsagio

one of the cutest images I could find for you (like their stuff or not, they sure freakin' know cute) :p

I'm trying encompass your cuddliness in one 32k image, and its damn hard.

Try a fucking Twinkie :)

OT: Quick, we need a comedy injection, STAT! [So totally NSFW]

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

Try a fucking Twinkie :)

MMmmm,,, cake !!

I ignored Cheney-should-drop-dead satire for 8 years. I raised an eyebrow, then went on with my day every time Condoleeza Rice was shown in cartoons looking like Aunt Jemima. It's just how the world is.

In the mean time, this clown has a new talking point because LGF was sooo mean to him. IMHO, any publicity is aid and comfort to Reihl. Any emotional investment on our part is time and bits of data on the internet wasted. Anyway, I have a chicken fried steak that won't eat itself, so I'm outta here.

re: #63 jaunte

That fight isn't about costs, so his whole argument is specious.

I agree- but bad satire doesn't make it 'less' satire. Clearly that was his intent. Whether or not he hit his mark is up to his readers.

re: #39 researchok
Click on the word "main" at the header of his blog. He does a lot of that satire stuff. Why, he's silly with it. Absolutely soaked. His comments in his blog are quite sickeningly hilarious, also.

barf

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

The comments wishing for his death were all over the place on websites like CNN, MSNBC, and the usual lefty blogs. I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

That is fucking irrelevant, what this asshole says is not ameliorated by what someone else has said in the past, and if you want to tell us poor lefties we are jerks for being contradictory then tell us to our faces in a separate comment that does not try to absolve this dick head for being a dick head.

re: #66 swamprat

dan riehl reads like a troll.
I looked through his blog, he appears to be off his meds.
If this is real, and not a moby blog, I would say that he is the most ignorable asshole I have ever seen.

Remember the way he trashed that Census worker?

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

heh I tried to do a google image search of 'fucking a twinkie' just for you, but I forgot the alternative meaning of the word. I'll spare everyone the image results >>

re: #57 researchok

And that is my point. Either satire is satire or equal standards apply.

Practice what you preach.

re: #77 researchok

I agree- but bad satire doesn't make it 'less' satire. Clearly that was his intent. Whether or not he hit his mark is up to his readers.

"CLEARLY"?!?!?!

Evidentally NOT (from the bi-partisan denounciations on this post)

There are people here today that I am 180 degrees diametrically politically opposed too , and we're in 100% agreement on this

BBIAB

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

THIS IS NOT SATIRE.

Not any more satire than my comment "Defense of this in 5,4,3,2..." up thread was satire...

"Although satire is usually meant to be funny, the purpose of satire is not primarily humour in itself so much as an attack on something of which the author strongly disapproves, using the weapon of wit."

HE WASN'T FUNNY... got that.

Or are you saying you were laughing all the way through the article?

Walter, satire is successful if his readers agree it is satire. If readers think otherwise, he has failed.

re: #69 Stanley Sea

You recall wrong. And you are now defending Dan fucking Riehl. It's not worth it to let your tribalism take over.

Complete bullshit. I never defended Riehl. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the left being outraged by Riehl's 'satire' and lack therof the same type of comments attacking Dick Cheney when he was in the hospital.

(Shameless self promotion)

Political Satire...

"For every child, 2 years of age or younger, acquired by the United States Department of Agriculture Food and Nutrition Service, the parent of the child will receive either a cash payment of 2000 dollars or 3000 dollars will be deposited in a medical savings plan.
HB.1729 is designed to increase the income level of the family or single parent, which will help them to become a self-sustainable member of society, reduce our burden of over-population and break the cycle of crime that is prevalent among our low-income citizens.

This will also enable more parents to enter the job market, becoming freed from dependency on multiple government programs.

The act will not rely on taxpayers money. It will pay for itself from the sales of the food products created from the children enrolled in the program. The low cost of the food product will also benefit all Americans, as it can be used as a substitute for higher priced meats.

The full text of the act can be found in the books that I handed out. I will now be happy to answer any questions that you may have."

(from "A Modest Proposal" by Walter L. Newton)

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

If this was a "suggestion" for a new avatar for me, forget it. I can't stand Japanese cartoons, or anime or what ever they are calling it this week.

Yuck.

But Walter, it would be so ironic because it is the exact opposite of your personality.

re: #83 sattv4u2

"CLEARLY"?!?!?!

Evidentally NOT (from the bi-partisan denounciations on this post)

There are people here today that I am 180 degrees diametrically politically opposed too , and we're in 100% agreement on this

I am usually in agreement. This tiem though, I just don't see this as hugely different from what I would consider offensive satire.

re: #69 Stanley Sea

You recall wrong. And you are now defending Dan fucking Riehl. It's not worth it to let your tribalism take over.

Brilliant.

re: #70 researchok

True. Still, there sentiments were there.

Recall too the 'Cheney shot the guy on purpose tsunami (most of which made me LMAO) by lefty bloggers and how they went after his daughter.

You just don't get it do you?

Perhaps you can ask for a refund on your critical thinking class.

re: #89 researchok

Okay. What is he satirizing? What the fuck does abortion have to do with Reid's wife being near death?

re: #85 researchok

Walter, satire is successful if his readers agree it is satire. If readers think otherwise, he has failed.

what utter bullshit

How bout we say it's not Riehls comments but the Turner Diaries

"political fiction is successful if his readers agree it is political fiction".

re: #80 MandyManners

Oh. He's that guy. I hope to never see or hear of him again.

re: #82 b_sharp

Practice what you preach.

What are you talking about?

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

(Shameless self promotion)

Political Satire...

"For every child, 2 years of age or younger, acquired by the United States Department of Agriculture Food and Nutrition Service, the parent of the child will receive either a cash payment of 2000 dollars or 3000 dollars will be deposited in a medical savings plan.
HB.1729 is designed to increase the income level of the family or single parent, which will help them to become a self-sustainable member of society, reduce our burden of over-population and break the cycle of crime that is prevalent among our low-income citizens.

This will also enable more parents to enter the job market, becoming freed from dependency on multiple government programs.

The act will not rely on taxpayers money. It will pay for itself from the sales of the food products created from the children enrolled in the program. The low cost of the food product will also benefit all Americans, as it can be used as a substitute for higher priced meats.

The full text of the act can be found in the books that I handed out. I will now be happy to answer any questions that you may have."

(from "A Modest Proposal" by Walter L. Newton)

/I will pass on the kinder-wurst, thank you.

re: #92 Obdicut

I'm not defending the guy, but the first thing I thought was 'driving traffic'.

Of course that might actually be more despicable.

re: #48 keloyd

You obviously didn't look at the link. Charles used a cache page. Not a direct link so he isn't getting any page hits from LGF. Regardless, this post is a disgusting piece of crap and so is riehl

re: #93 sattv4u2

what utter bullshit

How bout we say it's not Riehls comments but the Turner Diaries

"political fiction is successful if his readers agree it is political fiction".

Isn't that the free market place of ideas?

re: #94 swamprat

Oh. He's that guy. I hope to never see or hear of him again.

Defuckingspickable.

re: #69 Stanley Sea

You recall wrong. And you are now defending Dan fucking Riehl. It's not worth it to let your tribalism take over.

Sorry Stanley, but I didn;t see any "defense of Riehl" in what NJ wrote

Deflection, perhaps (the left did it to Cheney et al),, but NO 'defense"

re: #91 b_sharp

You just don't get it do you?

Perhaps you can ask for a refund on your critical thinking class.

Why don't you explain it rather than insult me?

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

(Shameless self promotion)

Political Satire...

"For every child, 2 years of age or younger, acquired by the United States Department of Agriculture Food and Nutrition Service, the parent of the child will receive either a cash payment of 2000 dollars or 3000 dollars will be deposited in a medical savings plan.
HB.1729 is designed to increase the income level of the family or single parent, which will help them to become a self-sustainable member of society, reduce our burden of over-population and break the cycle of crime that is prevalent among our low-income citizens.

This will also enable more parents to enter the job market, becoming freed from dependency on multiple government programs.

The act will not rely on taxpayers money. It will pay for itself from the sales of the food products created from the children enrolled in the program. The low cost of the food product will also benefit all Americans, as it can be used as a substitute for higher priced meats.

The full text of the act can be found in the books that I handed out. I will now be happy to answer any questions that you may have."

(from "A Modest Proposal" by Walter L. Newton)

Being a baby eating atheist, I liked it.

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

By calling it satire, you state your case for him. How the hell does anyone here know to call it satire? He may believe this with all his heart, and people are excusing it by calling it satire?

Like abbyadams said, can't anyone just take the high road?

re: #99 researchok

Isn't that the free market place of ideas?

Keep moving the goal posts ,, won't matter ,, i'll keep kicking field goals

KosKidz: Reid Car Wreck no Accident? Via Google
Fark description...

Senator Harry Reid's wife and daughter's car accident was no accident because the owner of the trucking company whose truck hit them is a die-hard Republican (link pulled by Kos) (dailykos.com)

A stupid conspiracy theory but quickly deleted. Maybe Republicans should start cracking down on conspiracies too. Maybe people would start taking them seriously again.

re: #104 Stanley Sea

By calling it satire, you state your case for him. How the hell does anyone here know to call it satire? He may believe this with all his heart, and people are excusing it by calling it satire?

Like abbyadams said, can't anyone just take the high road?

NJD didn't label it sa "satire". He took that (and put in in quotes) from reaserchoks post

re: #107 sattv4u2

Like I said above, while you're right, what he is doing is trying to defend conservatism by either defending the left or distancing it from Riehl.

re: #104 Stanley Sea

By calling it satire, you state your case for him. How the hell does anyone here know to call it satire? He may believe this with all his heart, and people are excusing it by calling it satire?

Like abbyadams said, can't anyone just take the high road?

I put satire in quotation marks because it was suggested by Charles that some my take it as satire. It doesn't matter if it's satire or not, it's a disgusting piece by Riehl either way.

re: #107 sattv4u2

NJD didn't label it sa "satire". He took that (and put in in quotes) from reaserchoks post

I apologize to NDJ to labeling his statement incorrectly.

Shit like this pisses me off a lot. When others somehow, uh, deflect the awfulness of the post at hand just blows my mind, and sends me into the broad brushing badness that we all hate so much. mea culpa.

re: #106 Killgore Trout

KosKidz: Reid Car Wreck no Accident? Via Google
Fark description...

A stupid conspiracy theory but quickly deleted. Maybe Republicans should start cracking down on conspiracies too. Maybe people would start taking them seriously again.

That's JPN.

re: #110 Stanley Sea

Oh, and sorry for getting your name wrong too NJD!! damnit!

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

The comments wishing for his death were all over the place on websites like CNN, MSNBC, and the usual lefty blogs. I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

You're right, those sucked.

But we're not talking here about commenters. This is about a fairly prominent right-wing blogger and what he posts at his site.

We're also not talking about a politician--Cheney in your example--but the WIFE and DAUGHTER of a politician. Should be off limits, particularly since the two people in question have no public profile.

re: #110 Stanley Sea

I apologize to NDJ to labeling his statement incorrectly.

Shit like this pisses me off a lot. When others somehow, uh, deflect the awfulness of the post at hand just blows my mind, and sends me into the broad brushing badness that we all hate so much. mea culpa.

You need one of those little sand zen gardens with the tiny rake!

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile over at Hot Air they imagine they're living under martial law...
"Welcome to Martial Law: House Democrats Will Rule They Voted on Health Care Bill Without Actually Voting On It"

Tyranny!

re: #114 sattv4u2

You need one of those little sand zen gardens with the tiny rake!

HA! I had one and sold it on eBay. Idiot me.

LOL! Waaay OT:

You stay classy, Dan Riehl.

re: #108 windsagio

Like I said above, while you're right, what he is doing is trying to defend conservatism by either defending the left or distancing it from Riehl.

I can defend conservatism while at the same time vilify Riehl

((recently had my year end work performance review ,, STRENGTH ,,, Multi-Tasking!)))

re: #115 Killgore Trout

‘The Greatest Assault on the Constitution In Your Lifetime’

OMG!

re: #114 sattv4u2

You need one of those little sand zen gardens with the tiny rake!

I know an attorney with one of those. He ends up having to replace the sand every now and then.

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Where the f*** were they for 8 years prior to that?

re: #120 Killgore Trout

OMG!

It would kinda suck if they voted without actually ,, umm,, whats the word I'm looking for ,,,

Oh yeah ,, VOTE

re: #121 MandyManners

I know an attorney with one of those. He ends up having to replace the sand every now and then.

cat uses it as a litter box!?!
/

re: #124 sattv4u2

cat uses it as a litter box!?!
/

Let's just say he has an A-type personality.

re: #123 sattv4u2

It would kinda suck if they voted without actually ,, umm,, whats the word I'm looking for ,,,

Oh yeah ,, VOTE

Dictatorship! Konstitushun! Ron Paul! Let's all fl;ee to Costa Rica with Rush!

re: #125 MandyManners

Sand in his briefs?

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Dictatorship! Konstitushun! Ron Paul! Let's all fl;ee to Costa Rica with Rush!

OR

they could have a ,,, ummm,,, VOTE!

re: #113 palomino

We're also not talking about a politician--Cheney in your example--but the WIFE and DAUGHTER of a politician. Should be off limits, particularly since the two people in question have no public profile.

YES! Thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth :)

Over at Lonely Conservative you have a post that epitomizes the far-right non-sensical confusion on health care:

While most of us were sending warm wishes to the Reid family, Dan Riehl said what most of us were thinking. (Cowards!)

[snip]

It looks like Harry Reid didn’t take Dan’s advice. Why should he? He and his family enjoy the best America has to offer when it comes to medical care. And we get to pay for it.

[snip]

Harry’s lucky his wife’s accident occurred before he and his comrades screw up health care. I’m not sure what Mrs. Reid’s fate would have been if she had to wait six months for neurosurgery.

He's resentful because Harry Reid has really good health care but seems oblivious to the fact that Harry Reid's health care is entirely government provided. Harry Reid is trying to get more Americans to have government supported health care like he has. He's not sure what Mrs. Reid's fate would have been if she had to wait six months for neruosurgery because she had government administered healthcare which she has!

*my brain hurts*

I'm not saying Reid has a good or bad idea but this type of argument makes no sense. It's like when Rush Limbaugh who makes millions and millions a year tells us how good America's health care system is after he goes to the hospital with his cadillac health plan.

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Dictatorship! Konstitushun! Ron Paul! Let's all fl;ee to Costa Rica with Rush!

Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

re: #128 sattv4u2

OR

they could have a ,,, ummm,,, VOTE!

I know you can't understand. I'm sorry.

re: #127 jaunte

Sand in his briefs?

Oooh. You're good.

re: #128 sattv4u2

OR

they could have a ,,, ummm,,, VOTE!

But that would open up the possibility of you know, losing. And we can't have that now can we?

re: #132 Killgore Trout

I know you can't understand. I'm sorry.

RON PAUL!
TEA PARTY!
SARAH PALIN
REPUBLICANS

(did you duck under the bed yet!?!?)

A list of changes it Texas Schoolbooks: Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

re: #113 palomino

You're right, those sucked.

But we're not talking here about commenters. This is about a fairly prominent right-wing blogger and what he posts at his site.

We're also not talking about a politician--Cheney in your example--but the WIFE and DAUGHTER of a politician. Should be off limits, particularly since the two people in question have no public profile.

Exactly. If one wants to play tit for toque, at least recognize the distinction between a public official whose policy decisions were extremely unpopular to some and a lady whose worst crime was to marry a politician.

re: #113 palomino

You're right, those sucked.

But we're not talking here about commenters. This is about a fairly prominent right-wing blogger and what he posts at his site.

We're also not talking about a politician--Cheney in your example--but the WIFE and DAUGHTER of a politician. Should be off limits, particularly since the two people in question have no public profile.

I agree. Family member should be off limits. I assume you recall this and were equally outraged...

Ed Schultz Attacks Joe Lieberman's Lobbyist Wife: 'Does the Word Whore Apply?'

re: #130 Cineaste

Over at Lonely Conservative you have a post that epitomizes the far-right non-sensical confusion on health care:

It's like when Rush Limbaugh who makes millions and millions a year tells us how good America's health care system is after he goes to the hospital with his cadillac health plan.

IIRC, Rush is self-insured. He paid with cash.

riehl funny:

Media Mutters Chimes In!
Well, that didn't take long for Media Mutters to link. I wish I knew those babies way back when. I'd have taken a coat hanger to them! I guess that's more their style. Still, they front for the bastards that will allow our loved ones to die at 69, or 70 because it costs too much to save, or care for them.

Now that's class humor.

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

The comments wishing for his death were all over the place on websites like CNN, MSNBC, and the usual lefty blogs. I don't recall any of the lefties on here outraged about that.

This one was. For good reason.

re: #137 bubba zanetti

Exactly. If one wants to play tit for toque, at least recognize the distinction between a public official whose policy decisions were extremely unpopular to some and a lady whose worst crime was to marry a politician.

just watch whose tits you're playing with

better yet , let me watch

better yet redux ,, let me PLAY!

re: #135 sattv4u2

(did you duck under the bed yet!?!?)

Uhh, no. I 'm not afraid of intentional ignorance or hysteria. I'm simply suggesting that pretneding to not understand something isn't going to win debates or persuade people to your cause. It doesn't work for creationists and it's not going to work for Republicans.

Carly Fiorina, who brought you the demon sheep political ad, has a new one out, this time attacking Barbara Boxer.

It was hard to not laugh:

Carly Fiorina’s Senate Campaign Still On LSD With New “Hot Air” Ad

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

I agree. Family member should be off limits. I assume you recall this and were equally outraged...

Ed Schultz Attacks Joe Lieberman's Lobbyist Wife: 'Does the Word Whore Apply?'

In the good ol' days, that would've resulted in a meeting at dawn and 20 paces.

"Why I joined a monastery, exhibit P for Politics."

re: #136 Killgore Trout

A list of changes it Texas Schoolbooks: Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

#3...

Curriculum standards also will describe the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

Ron Paul! Fiscal responsibility!

re: #146 Ojoe

"Why I joined a monastery, exhibit P for Politics."

yeah ,, cuase i'm sure there's NO 'politics" in a monastery!!

re: #136 Killgore Trout

A list of changes it Texas Schoolbooks: Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

I tend to look for the bright side in this.

First, my kids are done or nearly done with public school; this development makes their future brighter, especially if they choose to enter technical fields, because it reduces any competition nipping at their heels.

Second, since I work in a field heavy with scientists and engineers, wading through that first pass of resume culling will get a little easier, since anything with a "Texas" return address can go straight in the wastebasket, saving me a nominal 2% of my time, and in reality probably somewhat more.

re: #136 Killgore Trout

A list of changes it Texas Schoolbooks: Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

Unbelievable. What the Texas School Board has done is a slap in the face to reason. I'm hoping that there will be a movement to reject these textbooks in the future by other states and school districts.

re: #148 sattv4u2

Well an anchorite I'd be then.

LOL

re: #130 Cineaste

I'm not saying Reid has a good or bad idea but this type of argument makes no sense. It's like when Rush Limbaugh who makes millions and millions a year tells us how good America's health care system is after he goes to the hospital with his cadillac health plan.

In a state...with universal health care.
and says he will go to Costa Rica for his health care if the HC bill passes because our mix of private and public health care system will suck.
Except Costa Rica has the same. damn. thing.
Only better.

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Uhh, no. I 'm not afraid of intentional ignorance or hysteria

Yeah ,,, I say we pass it so THEN we can see whats in it!!

re: #142 sattv4u2

Ack, that should be "tit for quoque", which sounds catchier than "tu for tat".

re: #149 SixDegrees

I tend to look for the bright side in this.

First, my kids are done or nearly done with public school; this development makes their future brighter, especially if they choose to enter technical fields, because it reduces any competition nipping at their heels.

Second, since I work in a field heavy with scientists and engineers, wading through that first pass of resume culling will get a little easier, since anything with a "Texas" return address can go straight in the wastebasket, saving me a nominal 2% of my time, and in reality probably somewhat more.

I don't see this as reducing competition. In the long-term, I think the dumb will be spread around. This will embolden other reactionaries in other states.
Our educational outcomes already suck compared to other countries, and this will only worsen it.

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

I agree. Family member should be off limits. I assume you recall this and were equally outraged...

Ed Schultz Attacks Joe Lieberman's Lobbyist Wife: 'Does the Word Whore Apply?'

and that sucks and Ed Schultz is pretty much an idiot.

re: #144 freetoken

Carly Fiorina, who brought you the demon sheep political ad, has a new one out, this time attacking Barbara Boxer.

It was hard to not laugh:

Carly Fiorina’s Senate Campaign Still On LSD With New “Hot Air” Ad

From sheep to the Barbara Boxer Blimp™.

Pretty weird political ads.

re: #144 freetoken

i made to 2min 30 sec. it was all i could take. worse than the demon sheep.

re: #154 bubba zanetti

Ack, that should be "tit for quoque", which sounds catchier than "tu for tat".

I didn't perk up (nor care) at the quogue part, though!

re: #144 freetoken

Carly Fiorina, who brought you the demon sheep political ad, has a new one out, this time attacking Barbara Boxer.

It was hard to not laugh:

Carly Fiorina’s Senate Campaign Still On LSD With New “Hot Air” Ad

Brilliant. I especially like the Orson Welle's sound-alike narrator, and the floating head imagery borrowed from both Zardoz and Blade Runner's advertising blimps.

Delightful as avant garde cinema. As a political ad, epic fail.

re: #156 webevintage

and that sucks and Ed Schultz is pretty much an idiot.

Between Ed Shultz nad Thom Hartmann, those are the two most influential progressive talk show hosts in the business. What's wrong with Ed Shultz?

re: #153 sattv4u2

Uhh, no. I 'm not afraid of intentional ignorance or hysteria

Yeah ,,, I say we pass it so THEN we can see whats in it!!

if the doorbell rings and you find a flaming paper bag on your doorstep, I am pretty sure you can guess what's in it :)

re: #144 freetoken

THAT deserves its own thread.

Wow, floating helilum filled head.

re: #159 sattv4u2

Tit for toque being a Canadian mardi gras tradition, non?

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

I think he's explicitly trying to be a 'left Limbaugh', and that's something we desperately don't want?

re: #136 Killgore Trout

A list of changes it Texas Schoolbooks: Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

Nope. Still not going to rage over this, despite the overwhelming, almost criminal level of fail from the SBOE. I like it here far too much to have Charles ban me for the things I'd say about these assholes.

What they're doing is nothing short of an all out assault on reason, American history, and any sense of common decency. These assholes are shameless in their desire to turn my state back to the Dark Ages, and it enrages me,

re: #160 SixDegrees

Yes, Zardoz!

re: #149 SixDegrees

First, my kids are done or nearly done with public school; this development makes their future brighter, especially if they choose to enter technical fields, because it reduces any competition nipping at their heels.

Good point.

re: #165 windsagio

I think he's explicitly trying to be a 'left Limbaugh', and that's something we desperately don't want?

But you got him :)

re: #164 bubba zanetti

Tit for toque being a Canadian mardi gras tradition, non?

I don't know , I'm not a Canadian!

re: #163 Ojoe

"She moved, she shaked."

Need images

"Leader with a rack."

re: #144 freetoken

Carly Fiorina, who brought you the demon sheep political ad, has a new one out, this time attacking Barbara Boxer.

It was hard to not laugh:

Carly Fiorina’s Senate Campaign Still On LSD With New “Hot Air” Ad

Wow. That was ummm...odd as hell.

re: #164 bubba zanetti

re: #170 sattv4u2

I don't know , I'm not a Canadian!

But I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express!

re: #155 Virginia Plain

I don't see this as reducing competition. In the long-term, I think the dumb will be spread around. This will embolden other reactionaries in other states.
Our educational outcomes already suck compared to other countries, and this will only worsen it.

Meh. Like I said, my kids are done with school. This can only be an advantage to them in the long run if they enter any sort of technical or scientific field.

Jesus may have been a fine carpenter, but he sucked at running power plants and recombining DNA.

re: #165 windsagio

I think he's explicitly trying to be a 'left Limbaugh', and that's something we desperately don't want?

we desperately don't count...or those of us uninterested in radio heads...Limbaugh has hit the jackpot with his style, certainly others are copying him...cha ching!

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

Well, *I* don't have him :p

The only left talkshows worth a damn are Hartmann (who's damn good) and Stephanie Miller, who's more of a morning zoo/comedy show than a normal political talk deal.

re: #166 Lidane

Nope. Still not going to rage over this, despite the overwhelming, almost criminal level of fail from the SBOE. I like it here far too much to have Charles ban me for the things I'd say about these assholes.

What they're doing is nothing short of an all out assault on reason, American history, and any sense of common decency. These assholes are shameless in their desire to turn my state back to the Dark Ages, and it enrages me,

Turn it back? You need to get out more. I lived there for 15 years. While you have pockets of sanity, most of this will go unnoticed by a majority of Texans.

These sorts of decision ARE Texas.

re: #175 albusteve

as you say its a good way to make a career :p

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Between Ed Shultz nad Thom Hartmann, those are the two most influential progressive talk show hosts in the business. What's wrong with Ed Shultz?

That was mild compared to some of the things he said in the past. Not surprising, MSNBC gave him a TV show.

re: #139 Cheechako

IIRC, Rush is self-insured. He paid with cash.

Even worse. Nice to do when you make $50M or more a year.

re: #166 Lidane

Nope. Still not going to rage over this, despite the overwhelming, almost criminal level of fail from the SBOE. I like it here far too much to have Charles ban me for the things I'd say about these assholes.

What they're doing is nothing short of an all out assault on reason, American history, and any sense of common decency. These assholes are shameless in their desire to turn my state back to the Dark Ages, and it enrages me,

Well said.

Question for the rest of you:

When Texas secedes and changes its name to "Jesusland", will you take Travis County and make it the US embassy here?

Thanks in advance. Really.

re: #149 SixDegrees

I tend to look for the bright side in this.

First, my kids are done or nearly done with public school; this development makes their future brighter, especially if they choose to enter technical fields, because it reduces any competition nipping at their heels.

Second, since I work in a field heavy with scientists and engineers, wading through that first pass of resume culling will get a little easier, since anything with a "Texas" return address can go straight in the wastebasket, saving me a nominal 2% of my time, and in reality probably somewhat more.

Some day, if you are lucky, you are going to be old and in need of the assistance of others much younger than you; some of whom might be products of the Texas public school system.

re: #139 Cheechako

IIRC, Rush is self-insured. He paid with cash.

Actually - he possibly is self-insured because of his addiction issues. Many insurance companies would look at that as a pre-existing condition that could contribute to any number of catastrophic illnesses down the road. He's probably making a shrewd bet!

re: #180 Cineaste

Even worse. Nice to do when you make $50M or more a year.

Sorry ,, not defending Rush or his comments and not discussing Costa Ricas NOR the US's health care systems ,,,
but how is paying for something with cash (your own) "even worse"!?!?

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Between Ed Shultz nad Thom Hartmann, those are the two most influential progressive talk show hosts in the business. What's wrong with Ed Shultz?

He sucks as in "he sucks because he called Joe's wife a whore".
Just a bit too yell-ie and angry.
I like my liberals more like Rachel Maddow.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Why don't honest journalists take on Roger Ailes and Fox News?

...Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration -- a campaign without precedent in our modern political history? ...

good read.

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

Turn it back? You need to get out more. I lived there for 15 years. While you have pockets of sanity, most of this will go unnoticed by a majority of Texans.

These sorts of decision ARE Texas.

I'm less than a month away from 37 and I've lived here all my life. I know this kind of douchebaggery is not new to my state. I'm well aware of it, and of the fact that many people here are too dense to really see what's going on.

HOWEVER, the actions of this SBOE *are* far, far more blatant and overwhelming now than they has ever been in the past. These people are a bunch of goddamned lunatics. They've gone farther than ever to the right. Removing any mention of the Tejanos from the history of the Alamo? Replacing Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin? Whining about the end of the gold standard?

Yes, there's a history of crazy here in Texas. It's just never been this bad, at least not in my experience. These people are insane.

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

Turn it back? You need to get out more. I lived there for 15 years. While you have pockets of sanity, most of this will go unnoticed by a majority of Texans.

These sorts of decision ARE Texas.

It would be interesting to track Texas' immigration trend over the next few years. When emerging from deep recessions, it's fairly common to see a period of population shifts, as people long out of work become willing to relocate to jobs opening up in other regions. Another factor in how these trends flow, though, is educational resources; for example, we deliberately chose the community we live in because it has either the highest or second highest ranked public schools in the state, depending on what year the polls were taken, and this is a strong influence for a lot of people with families.

I suspect Texas will not be among the most desirable destinations when evaluated by this metric. I wonder if it'll show up?

I honestly don't have any printable words for Dan Riehl. That is absolutely disgusting. And I can't believe people are still trotting out the "they did it too" defense. That's just as disgusting.

re: #136 Killgore Trout

A list of changes it Texas Schoolbooks: Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

My brother and sisters missed a year of school when we were young due to dad's moving us around. My mom made up the differene by borrowing books from the library and making us read. She didn't tell us what to read. Asked us questions and seemed to be interested in what we learned, gave us her 2 cents. When we went back to school the next year, we discovered we were ahead of our peers by at least 2 years! Schools suck. It surprises me homeschooling has turned into the fundamentalists' movement. I would think anybody who wanted their kid to have a more liberal education (in the old sense, not necessarily political sense) would try.

re: #187 Lidane

I'm less than a month away from 37 and I've lived here all my life. I know this kind of douchebaggery is not new to my state. I'm well aware of it, and of the fact that many people here are too dense to really see what's going on.

HOWEVER, the actions of this SBOE *are* far, far more blatant and overwhelming now than they has ever been in the past. These people are a bunch of goddamned lunatics. They've gone farther than ever to the right. Removing any mention of the Tejanos from the history of the Alamo? Replacing Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin? Whining about the end of the gold standard?

Yes, there's a history of crazy here in Texas. It's just never been this bad, at least not in my experience. These people are insane.

as 'leaders'...that's of hair splitting importance, and they are probably right as far as I know

re: #187 Lidane

I'm less than a month away from 37 and I've lived here all my life. I know this kind of douchebaggery is not new to my state. I'm well aware of it, and of the fact that many people here are too dense to really see what's going on.

HOWEVER, the actions of this SBOE *are* far, far more blatant and overwhelming now than they has ever been in the past. These people are a bunch of goddamned lunatics. They've gone farther than ever to the right. Removing any mention of the Tejanos from the history of the Alamo? Replacing Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin? Whining about the end of the gold standard?

Yes, there's a history of crazy here in Texas. It's just never been this bad, at least not in my experience. These people are insane.

Now that they've adopted John Calvin they can make if official. Protestantism is the official religion of the State of Texas.

re: #182 negativ

Some day, if you are lucky, you are going to be old and in need of the assistance of others much younger than you; some of whom might be products of the Texas public school system.

The cream always (and always will) rise to the top. Smart kids figure out early whats important and whats bullshit. They are the ones that will advance and be the ones we depend on for assistance

The others, much like generations in the past, will not. We'll always need blue collar workers. And theres nothing wrong with that. I ahve always advocated for Vocational Trade Schools as an OPTION to traditional high school. We had them when I was a kid. Those kids knew they wanted to be mechanics/ plumbers/ carpenters/ auto mechanics. They still took math and english, but the rest of their day was focused on theor trade opf choice.

re: #184 sattv4u2

Sorry ,, not defending Rush or his comments and not discussing Costa Ricas NOR the US's health care systems ,,,
but how is paying for something with cash (your own) "even worse"!?!?

I mean that it shows that he is even more removed than I thought from the experience of most Americans and thus less in a position to pass judgement on the efficacy of the American health care system. He has never had to submit a claim, never had a claim denied, never had to try to argue for a procedure or a reimbursement or never had to think about a deductible because any money he spends is so insignificant to his bank account that he doesn't need insurance. The problem with health care in America is not, generally, the quality of the care but the cost relative to the average worker's available income and aggravation in dealing with health insurance bureaucracy and this is something he can't relate to.

re: #182 negativ

Some day, if you are lucky, you are going to be old and in need of the assistance of others much younger than you; some of whom might be products of the Texas public school system.

Probably not. The sort of assistance I may need is most likely to be medical, and we already import most of that help from overseas now. And if I need someone to wipe me ass for me, a functionally illiterate Texan will still be trainable enough to handle such tasks.

re: #194 Cineaste

He has never had to submit a claim, never had a claim denied, never had to try to argue for a procedure or a reimbursement or never had to think about a deductible because any money he spends is so insignificant to his bank account that he doesn't need insurance.

Sorry ,, but again, not defending Rush ,, he was NOT born rich

re: #195 SixDegrees

Probably not. The sort of assistance I may need is most likely to be medical, and we already import most of that help from overseas now. And if I need someone to wipe me ass for me, a functionally illiterate Texan will still be trainable enough to handle such tasks.

Pass the brain bleach, please.

;-)

re: #195 SixDegrees

gmta (193)

re: #186 zora

Because hate sells, Murdoch makes quite a pile of cash.

Almost all media companies are for-profit corporations. It doesn't profit much to attack one of their own. See Rathergate.

re: #191 albusteve

as 'leaders'...that's of hair splitting importance,

No, it's just a blatant attempt to minimize any contribution of Tejanos to the independence of Texas. It's offensive and insulting, not a bunch of hair splitting.

and they are probably right as far as I know

They're wrong, actually. One of the Tejanos who died also signed the Texas Declaration of Independence. Ignoring him is retarded. Also, ignoring the very real contributions of a man like Juan Seguín is ignoring history in this state.

These assholes are trying to whitewash history, pretending that Hispanics didn't die at the Alamo, or contribute anything at all. That's not only offensive, but it's a blatant fraud.

re: #196 sattv4u2

Sorry ,, but again, not defending Rush ,, he was NOT born rich

Nor was he born poor or even middle class.
"Rush Hudson Limbaugh III was born in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, the son of Mildred Carolyn "Millie" (née Armstrong) and Rush Hudson Limbaugh, Jr. His father was a lawyer and a World War II fighter pilot who served in the China-Burma-India theater. His mother was a native of Searcy, Arkansas. The use of family name "Rush" was originally chosen for his grandfather to honor the maiden name of family member Edna Rush.[1]

His family has many lawyers, including his grandfather, father and brother David. His uncle, Stephen N. Limbaugh, Sr. is a Ronald Reagan-appointed federal judge in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri. His cousin, Stephen N. Limbaugh, Jr., is currently a judge in the same court, appointed by George W. Bush. Rush Limbaugh, Sr., Limbaugh's grandfather, was a Missouri prosecutor, judge, special commissioner, member of the Missouri House of Representatives from 1930 until 1932, and longtime president of the Missouri Historical Society.[2] The Federal Courthouse in Cape Girardeau is named for Limbaugh's grandfather."

re: #196 sattv4u2

He has never had to submit a claim, never had a claim denied, never had to try to argue for a procedure or a reimbursement or never had to think about a deductible because any money he spends is so insignificant to his bank account that he doesn't need insurance.

Sorry ,, but again, not defending Rush ,, he was NOT born rich

Perhaps (I don't know), but during the period of time that he has been rich health care costs have quadrupled.

re: #146 Ojoe

I saw this earlier today and I immediately thought of you!

re: #181 austin_blue

Well said.

Question for the rest of you:

When Texas secedes and changes its name to "Jesusland", will you take Travis County and make it the US embassy here?

Thanks in advance. Really.

If that happens, don't forget about those of us in Fort Worth. (Local cliche: "Q: Where's the best place to take a visiting friend from Dallas? A: Back to Dallas") There's a lot of people here who'd prefer not to see 7th Street / Camp Bowie Blvd, the cultural district, the FW zoo, and TCU torched by the forces of evil.

The scary thing is that I can easily imagine a scenario whereby the TCU campus becomes the Texas equivalent of the Temple Mount / Al-Aqsa mosque. Fuck.

re: #201 webevintage

And this makes me think he grew up with government health care if his father was military.

re: #187 Lidane

I'm less than a month away from 37 and I've lived here all my life. I know this kind of douchebaggery is not new to my state. I'm well aware of it, and of the fact that many people here are too dense to really see what's going on.

HOWEVER, the actions of this SBOE *are* far, far more blatant and overwhelming now than they has ever been in the past. These people are a bunch of goddamned lunatics. They've gone farther than ever to the right. Removing any mention of the Tejanos from the history of the Alamo? Replacing Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin? Whining about the end of the gold standard?

Yes, there's a history of crazy here in Texas. It's just never been this bad, at least not in my experience. These people are insane.

This has been building up for a very, very long time. Some of the earliest battles against replacing evolution with creationism in public schools took place in Texas, and the theocrat's awareness of Texas' dominance over the nation's textbook industry was recognized as ripe for exploitation at least 25 year ago, and probably a good deal longer. There has been a slow, steady, very deliberate effort to pull this off, and their persistence has won out, at least for the moment.

Meanwhile, power over schools has moved slowly away from local districts to the state level across the country, and power over the schools is inexorably concentrating in Washington, with more and more oversight and direction coming from that single source. Guess what the next part of the strategy is?

re: #186 zora

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Why don't honest journalists take on Roger Ailes and Fox News?

Because that would open a Pandora's' box the media surely wishes to avoid. Nobody! Nobody wants an investigation into media manipulation.
They are all in it up to their eyeballs. Right, left, and commercial interests all with have hand in the cookie jar. The media stinks.

re: #199 freetoken

Because hate sells, Murdoch makes quite a pile of cash.

Almost all media companies are for-profit corporations. It doesn't profit much to attack one of their own. See Rathergate.

I think it's also because a loony, ignorant and conspiracy minded conservative base is far more than the lefties in the MSM could ever hope for. The crazier Fox news gets, the more useful they are to the left. The partisan lefties love Fox news.

Again dredging up our youth, I remember similar hand wringing over the liberal lefts attempts to hijack education by inserting such questionable political claptrap. I remember one attempt to have every male figure matched for a female figure in history texts. Sounds good except that women were largely excluded intentionally from much of what makes up US history. There were people then trying to remove Thomas Jefferson because he owned slaves. How ironic that those who defended him then are now abandoning him and those that rejected him are now supporting. How do we keep politics out of education? Anybody?

re: #204 negativ

If that happens, don't forget about those of us in Fort Worth. (Local cliche: "Q: Where's the best place to take a visiting friend from Dallas? A: Back to Dallas") There's a lot of people here who'd prefer not to see 7th Street / Camp Bowie Blvd, the cultural district, the FW zoo, and TCU torched by the forces of evil.

The scary thing is that I can easily imagine a scenario whereby the TCU campus becomes the Texas equivalent of the Temple Mount / Al-Aqsa mosque. Fuck.

Them Horny Toads is Libruls! Send 'em to the Peoples Republic of Austin!

re: #209 Escaped Hillbilly

How ironic that those who defended him then are now abandoning him and those that rejected him are now supporting.

Not buying your assertion.

re: #209 Escaped Hillbilly

Again dredging up our youth, I remember similar hand wringing over the liberal lefts attempts to hijack education by inserting such questionable political claptrap. I remember one attempt to have every male figure matched for a female figure in history texts. Sounds good except that women were largely excluded intentionally from much of what makes up US history. There were people then trying to remove Thomas Jefferson because he owned slaves. How ironic that those who defended him then are now abandoning him and those that rejected him are now supporting. How do we keep politics out of education? Anybody?

Print the truth, warts and all?

re: #200 Lidane

They're wrong, actually. One of the Tejanos who died also signed the Texas Declaration of Independence. Ignoring him is retarded. Also, ignoring the very real contributions of a man like Juan Seguín is ignoring history in this state.

These assholes are trying to whitewash history, pretending that Hispanics didn't die at the Alamo, or contribute anything at all. That's not only offensive, but it's a blatant fraud.

I know that...I'm pointing out that this is a small step towards a larger goal...they specifically used Travis, who was the only leader, Bowie, who was bedridden, and Crockett, who had no authority at all...as the measure of leadership...and in that regard they are right...they have cut a very fine incision here, and you can expect it to widen someday...they are very close to perverting the definition of 'leaders' or 'leadership'...in fact the men loved Crockett and would have followed him into the mouth of hell, and they did...the whole thing is perverse

re: #209 Escaped Hillbilly

Again dredging up our youth, I remember similar hand wringing over the liberal lefts attempts to hijack education by inserting such questionable political claptrap. I remember one attempt to have every male figure matched for a female figure in history texts. Sounds good except that women were largely excluded intentionally from much of what makes up US history. There were people then trying to remove Thomas Jefferson because he owned slaves. How ironic that those who defended him then are now abandoning him and those that rejected him are now supporting. How do we keep politics out of education? Anybody?

I don't think it can be done.

re: #196 sattv4u2

Sorry ,, but again, not defending Rush ,, he was NOT born rich

Yeah, actually he was. But there is a kernel of truth there, sometimes the old money types intuitively know that they have it easy, while the Randian supermen actually think they are the giants upon whose shoulders the rest of the world walks. Rush however, might actually be conceited enough to think of himself as something out of Horatio Alger.

re: #212 shiek al beif salami

honest journalists??? Hahahahaha.

I was quoting zora. The "media stinks" part is mine.

re: #202 Cineaste

Perhaps (I don't know), but during the period of time that he has been rich health care costs have quadrupled.

But you didn't qualify it to the period of time he has been rich. You stated he "NEVER" had to do any of those things

re: #211 freetoken

Ok, don't. My point is, the pendulum swings. What can WE DO ABOUT IT? I don't want to see this kind of lunacy coming from either camp.

re: #218 shiek al beif salami

or maybe it's because people are tired of the ABC/NBC/CBS/NYT/LAT corporate bullshit.

Yeah, Foxs News Corporation isn't really a corporation.

re: #215 brookly red

I don't think it can be done.

can't be done...the two are forever joined at the hip...next up, theocrats

re: #209 Escaped Hillbilly

We can not keep politics out of American history because every person distills that history through a political perspective. Even people who don't consider themselves political, or vote, affect the political process through their absence.

DOJ: CAIR's Unindicted Co-Conspirator Status Legit

There's another letter circulating on Capitol Hill affirming federal law enforcement's belief that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is the product of a Hamas-support network in the United States.

Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich sent the letter last month to four members of Congress who asked for details last fall on how CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the terror-finance trial against the Holy Land Foundation and its former officials.

He included trial transcripts and exhibits "which demonstrated a relationship among CAIR, individual CAIR founders, and the Palestine Committee. Evidence was also introduced that demonstrated a relationship between the Palestine Committee and HAMAS, which was designated as a terrorist organization in 1995."

Since we are discussing the sharia-creep down in Texastan, I offer up this BBC documentary from a few years back, on how it happened in Dover, Pa:

A war on science

re: #219 sattv4u2

But you didn't qualify it to the period of time he has been rich. You stated he "NEVER" had to do any of those things

The point is Rush is a big honking hypocrite...

re: #186 zora
redo;

Why don't honest journalists take on Roger Ailes and Fox News?

Because that would open a Pandora's box the media surely wishes to avoid. Nobody! Nobody wants an investigation into media manipulation.
They are all in it up to their eyeballs. Right, left, and commercial interests all have their hands in the cookie jar. The media stinks.

/rewritten in english

re: #102 researchok

Why don't you explain it rather than insult me?

You're right, I shouldn't insult you. My apologies.

Tu_quoque

re: #227 webevintage

The point is Rush is a big honking hypocrite...

And he paid cash for it!!
//

re: #219 sattv4u2

But you didn't qualify it to the period of time he has been rich. You stated he "NEVER" had to do any of those things

ok, maybe he had to do it 25 years ago before his show went national. I stand by my point. His paying in cash further underlines the distance he has from the average American's experience of health care and makes it a bit disingenuous to cite his own recent experiences as proof that the American health care system is fine.

re: #227 webevintage

He is a typical Missouri Good Ol Boy conservative who games the system for himself.

And on that note ,,, it's nap time

See you all on the late and/ or overnight thread(s)

re: #214 albusteve

I know that...I'm pointing out that this is a small step towards a larger goal...they specifically used Travis, who was the only leader, Bowie, who was bedridden, and Crockett, who had no authority at all...as the measure of leadership...and in that regard they are right...they have cut a very fine incision here, and you can expect it to widen someday...they are very close to perverting the definition of 'leaders' or 'leadership'...in fact the men loved Crockett and would have followed him into the mouth of hell, and they did...the whole thing is perverse

I could say exactly what I think their definition of leadership is, but I think it's pretty damned obvious.

It's also why my best friend's dad, who is a state judge here, is currently ten kinds of pissed off over this nonsense. He sees what they're doing and why, and he's angry. I don't think I've ever seen him that mad.

re: #230 sattv4u2

And probably got a cash discount!

re: #203 Irenicum

Cool.

All publicity is good.

re: #226 freetoken

Since we are discussing the sharia-creep down in Texastan, I offer up this BBC documentary from a few years back, on how it happened in Dover, Pa:

A war on science

Texastan?...why don't you call it Bendover, Pa?

re: #236 Cheechako

And probably got a cash discount!

in bed

re: #232 shiek al beif salami

...A normal human condition.

re: #233 prairiefire

He is a typical Missouri Good Ol Boy conservative who games the system for himself.

how so?...millions of people game the system, but how does he do it?

re: #230 sattv4u2

And he paid cash for it!!
//

I really think you're missing the point. It's fine to pay cash. It's great to pay cash. I would love to buy that Mercedes SLK with cash but I can't because I don't get $50M a year. So I, like almost every other American, has to have health insurance so I don't run the risk of losing my house if, God forbid, I get cancer or am in a car accident like Senator Reid's wife. The problem is, that health insurance is now so expensive that it is making many people go broke - and even when it doesn't, it might not pay when you need it for some bullshit reason.

re: #239 sattv4u2

ON THE MOON.

re: #242 Cineaste

I really think you're missing the point. It's fine to pay cash. It's great to pay cash. I would love to buy that Mercedes SLK with cash but I can't because I don't get $50M a year. So I, like almost every other American, has to have health insurance so I don't run the risk of losing my house if, God forbid, I get cancer or am in a car accident like Senator Reid's wife. The problem is, that health insurance is now so expensive that it is making many people go broke - and even when it doesn't, it might not pay when you need it for some bullshit reason.

Actually, Senator Reid's car insurance, not his health insurance, will be paying for the injuries occurred in the accident.

re: #245 Cheechako

Actually, Senator Reid's car insurance, not his health insurance, will be paying for the injuries occurred in the accident.

really? huh.

re: #242 Cineaste

I really think you're missing the point. It's fine to pay cash. It's great to pay cash. I would love to buy that Mercedes SLK with cash but I can't because I don't get $50M a year. So I, like almost every other American, has to have health insurance so I don't run the risk of losing my house if, God forbid, I get cancer or am in a car accident like Senator Reid's wife. The problem is, that health insurance is now so expensive that it is making many people go broke - and even when it doesn't, it might not pay when you need it for some bullshit reason.

Way back over 9000 years ago, I heard "Doctor Laura" exclaim that borrowing money to buy such things as a house or a car was morally perverse, and the only right way to go about it was to save up so you could pay cash, while being pregnant because that's what God insists.

Nope, can't prove it.

Rush and Beck and the rest have a right to say and publish whatever they want and the fact that people get so shook up about plays right into their hands...they thrive on the outrageous because it perpetuates division...the more people take sides the more popular they become, raking in millions along the way...save your shock and outrage for another day...otherwise, you are promoting Rush whether you like it or not...reducing their popularity will reduce their influence..it's the only way to shut them down

re: #242 Cineaste

I really think you're missing the point. It's fine to pay cash. It's great to pay cash. I would love to buy that Mercedes SLK with cash but I can't because I don't get $50M a year. So I, like almost every other American, has to have health insurance so I don't run the risk of losing my house if, God forbid, I get cancer or am in a car accident like Senator Reid's wife. The problem is, that health insurance is now so expensive that it is making many people go broke - and even when it doesn't, it might not pay when you need it for some bullshit reason.

And then there are people who don't even have any health insurance, and can't afford even basic premium prices if they could get some sort of coverage. And if they have something like a catastrophic car accident and have massive injuries, they're a goner.

re: #245 Cheechako

Actually, Senator Reid's car insurance, not his health insurance, will be paying for the injuries occurred in the accident.

Point taken. Actually, probably the truck driver's insurance will wind up paying for a bunch of it.

re: #247 shiek al beif salami

And the reason health insurance is so expensive in this country is because it is expected to cover things that should never be covered: sex-change operations, sunglasses, sniffles, etc. & etc. Americans also believe they are entitled to every possible treatment to the nth degree because they don't think death applies to them.

Yes, sunglasses and sex-changes are exactly why health insurance is so expensive.//

re: #241 albusteve

By expressing the conservative stance that he earned, through his hard work, every penny he has. He deserves to keep every cent, he doesn't owe anyone anything. He is standing on his conservative principles. But, he does owe his share, just like every other tax paying American.
I disapprove of the conservative notion of hands off government. Running the country takes money.
This is about the latest Mo boy rich man who doesn't want to pay his taxes:[Link: www.unitedformissourispriorities.org...]

re: #252 Cineaste

Yes, sunglasses and sex-changes are exactly why health insurance is so expensive.//

Haven't seen those claim since last summer.

re: #248 negativ

Way back over 9000 years ago, I heard "Doctor Laura" exclaim that borrowing money to buy such things as a house or a car was morally perverse, and the only right way to go about it was to save up so you could pay cash, while being pregnant because that's what God insists.

Nope, can't prove it.

And of course that's why you shouldn't trust teh jewz because they lend money for interest... those Shylocks... ///

Yet another reason why "Dr." Laura is an idiot.