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Here’s an open thread for a sunny Sunday afternoon…

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1 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:53:57pm

For some reason, it seems that the Obama administration has made a calculated decision to continue pressing Israel on the Ramat Shlomo (N. Jerusalem) construction approval.

This whole fiasco is driving me nuts. I'm normally quite calm, but this just seems so absurd, so childish.

One downright scary reason that I just came across in Foreign Policy, is this article saying it has to do with a briefing in January by Petraeus, that the US efforts in Af-Pak/Iraq are being harmed by the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

What's everyone else thinking?

2 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:57:03pm

Ron Paul's victory at CPAC wasn't that much of a fluke...
A POLITICO survey: The tea party's least favorite Republicans

In a survey of more than three dozen grass-roots tea party leaders from 29 states, the party’s 2008 presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, was the Republican most cited as a disappointment.
...
“Save for Ron Paul, I'm not really happy with many Republican officials,” said Marc Delphine, a leader in the Beaverton, Ore., tea party. Other respondents, though, blasted Paul, the libertarian-leaning Texas Congressman, for requesting earmarks or for his isolationist foreign policy.
...
Though Palin, who was McCain’s vice presidential candidate in 2008 and is eyeing a run for the GOP presidential nomination, earned the most votes when respondents were asked who they’d like to see win the presidency in 2012 — followed by Paul and Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin — more than half of respondents declined to name a preference, citing either a desire to focus on the midterms or ambivalence about the field of prospective Republican candidates.

Tea Party!

3 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:57:40pm

RON PAUL!

4 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:58:02pm

re: #1 Joo-LiZ

I am thinking Obama believes he can get the Palis. & Arab allies to cooperate with him if he takes some shots at Israel. Serious shots.

5 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:58:59pm

re: #3 Varek Raith

RON PAUL!

Ron Paul? Isn't he a science fiction writer?

/

6 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:59:36pm

re: #5 Gus 802

Ron Paul? Isn't he a science fiction writer?

/

Fantasy.
;)

7 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 12:59:50pm

re: #1 Joo-LiZ

We've been discussing that. There's really not much new happening. Bush Clinton and Regan all criticized settlements. I wouldn't expect Obama to be any different.

8 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:00:30pm

I missed some of our CPAC coverage (read the posts but not comments) so I don't know if this got covered:

Justice's wife launches 'tea party' group
The nonprofit run by Virginia Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, is likely to test notions of political impartiality for the court.

In January, Virginia Thomas created Liberty Central Inc., a nonprofit lobbying group whose website will organize activism around a set of conservative "core principles," she said.

The group plans to issue score cards for Congress members and be involved in the November election, although Thomas would not specify how. She said it would accept donations from various sources -- including corporations -- as allowed under campaign finance rules recently loosened by the Supreme Court.

"I adore all the new citizen patriots who are rising up across this country," Thomas, who goes by Ginni, said on the panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference. "I have felt called to the front lines with you, with my fellow citizens, to preserve what made America great."


[...]

Although Liberty Central is a nonpartisan group, its website shows an affinity for conservative principles. Her biography notes that Thomas is a fan of Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, author of "Men in Black: How the Supreme Court is Destroying America."

"She is intrigued by Glenn Beck and listening carefully," the bio says.

9 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:00:37pm

re: #6 Varek Raith

Fantasy.
;)

Political Romance

/Bringing America back to the 18th century.

/

10 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:01:17pm
11 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:02:13pm

re: #9 Gus 802

Political Romance

/Bringing America back to the 18th century.

/

12 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:04:44pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

But it is just SOOO misguided, it is unreal.

I think my frustration has to do with a confluence of several events.

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The specifics here are what make this different.

This isn't just criticizing settlements. Bibi and Obama had a whole spat last year over the idea of a "complete freeze" of settlement building. It was eventually agreed that Bibi would implement a settlement freeze everywhere in the West Bank EXCEPT Jerusalem.

Clinton praised Bibi for this. Correctly pointed out it was further than any previous leader was willing to, or has gone before.

It still wasn't enough for Abbas. After that, the US worked for 6 months to get the Palestinians to talk despite that it was not a COMPLETE freeze. Finally, Abbas says "okay, we'll do proximity talks even though there is building in Jerusalem". Then Israel announces building in Jerusalem in a NON-CONTROVERSIAL area, and all of a sudden it's a serious affront to the US, undermines trust, is a provocative motions, is a clear sign that the Israel doesn't want peace.

I just don't get it.

There are also many issues that I have with Palestinian incitement, rioting, firebombing, rock throwing, that has been happening and increasing manyfold over the past couple months, and there is not a peep about it!

13 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:06:39pm

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14 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:07:02pm

re: #11 iceweasel

[Video]

No wait! Looks like the 18th century might have been a little to progressive. Perhaps we should harken back to the 15th century with Lew Rockwell and Gary North.

/

15 Lidane  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:08:45pm

re: #6 Varek Raith

Fantasy.
;)

16 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:09:04pm
Biden, Abbas take aim at Israel decision

West Bank, March 10 (UPI) -- U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said Israel's decision to build housing in east Jerusalem would "inflame tensions or prejudice the outcome" of peace talks.

"As we move forward, the United States will hold both sides accountable for any statements or actions that inflame tensions or prejudice the outcome of talks, as this decision did," he said Wednesday after meeting with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah in the West Bank.

I'll believe it when I see it.

(nice cozy picture btw)

17 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:09:13pm

BBL - going to watch "The Color Purple" with the family, they've never seen it.

18 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:09:18pm

re: #11 iceweasel

[Video]

Hey. Been wanting to say this but America wasn't discovered by anyone we know of...

There were already people here. ;)

19 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:14:42pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

We've been discussing that. There's really not much new happening. Bush Clinton and Regan all criticized settlements. I wouldn't expect Obama to be any different.

It just seems to me that far from Israel undermining US trust in them... what is happening now is the complete opposite.

I feel like after this, there will be VERY little reason for Israel to make any sort of concessions. The previous concessions clearly amount to nothing and the slightest hint of something that might make the Palestinians a bit angry is treated as an outrage of unprecedented proportions.

It's particularly disturbing because of how close together the various events were. It was just 6 months ago that the settlement freeze was correctly recognized as a huge concession, and already it counts for absolutely nothing.

Meanwhile, in December, an Israeli supreme court declared that Hwy 443 which had been closed to Palestinian traffic during the Second Intifada should be reopened to them because it is a "discriminatory" practice. Since then there have been numerous rock attacks. Just this weekend a man and his less than 1 year old child were injured in a molotov cocktail ("firebomb") attack. 4 other Molotov's were found in the area prepared for use. A woman was wounded when a bus she was in was attacked.

The Palestinians were preparing to name a square after the female terrorist involved in the worst terror attack in Israel (the coastal road massacre).

The Palestinian minister for Jerusalem Affairs has once again called on Palestinians to flock to Jerusalem to "defend" the Al-Aqsa mosque, as Israel just restored a synagogue that was destroyed by the Jordanians after '48. This restoration is a "provocation".

Their behaviour is nothing less than outrageous, and yet the Obama administration ignores it and levels its sights at Israel for something that should be not a big deal at all!

*phew*

/END RANT - (I really needed to get that off my chest)

20 stevemcg  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:15:48pm

Sunny my ass.

21 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:16:18pm

re: #19 Joo-LiZ

Well said.

22 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:16:40pm

First steps for "Mr Shuffles" - Porntip's newborn Thai baby elephant

March 11, 2010 — A baby elephant has remarkably taken its first steps at Sydney's Taronga Zoo despite being declared dead in its mother's womb on Sunday night.

On Monday, zookeepers announced the Asian elephant calf would be stillborn after vets found no signs of life in the womb of its mother, Porntip.

An ultrasound confirmed the calf was inverted, making it impossible for it to survive.

But in an extraordinary turn of events, the 100-kilogram male calf was born alive shortly before 3:30am AEDT Wednesday.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #8 iceweasel

I missed some of our CPAC coverage (read the posts but not comments) so I don't know if this got covered:

Justice's wife launches 'tea party' group
The nonprofit run by Virginia Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, is likely to test notions of political impartiality for the court.

Aw, shit. I've always held Thomas in high regard. This could get him into hot water.

24 SteveMcG  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:17:55pm

Oh, yeah. Happy Pi Day!

25 Ericus58  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:18:35pm

Must bid adios for now.
Be Well all.

26 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:20:27pm
27 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:20:58pm

Social Security to start cashing Uncle Sam's IOUs

PARKERSBURG, W.Va. – The retirement nest egg of an entire generation is stashed away in this small town along the Ohio River: $2.5 trillion in IOUs from the federal government, payable to the Social Security Administration.

It's time to start cashing them in.

For more than two decades, Social Security collected more money in payroll taxes than it paid out in benefits — billions more each year.

Not anymore. This year, for the first time since the 1980s, when Congress last overhauled Social Security, the retirement program is projected to pay out more in benefits than it collects in taxes — nearly $29 billion more.

Sounds like a good time to start tapping the nest egg. Too bad the federal government already spent that money over the years on other programs, preferring to borrow from Social Security rather than foreign creditors. In return, the Treasury Department issued a stack of IOUs — in the form of Treasury bonds — which are kept in a nondescript office building just down the street from Parkersburg's municipal offices.

Now the government will have to borrow even more money, much of it abroad, to start paying back the IOUs, and the timing couldn't be worse. The government is projected to post a record $1.5 trillion budget deficit this year, followed by trillion dollar deficits for years to come.

28 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:21:27pm

*Contemplates posting Pi to the 10,000th digit...*
.
.
.
.
.
.
...Nah.

29 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:21:49pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Aw, shit. I've always held Thomas in high regard. This could get him into hot water.

Well, he'd have to recuse himself from cases involving donors to the group, possibly, but it's left up to him to decide:

Experts say Virginia Thomas' work doesn't violate ethical rules for judges. But Liberty Central could give rise to conflicts of interest for her husband, they said, as it tests the norms for judicial spouses.


Law professor Gillers said that Justice Thomas, too, should be on alert for possible conflicts, particularly those involving donors to his wife's nonprofit.

"There is opportunity for mischief if a company with a case before the court, or which it wants the court to accept, makes a substantial contribution to Liberty Central in the interim," he said.

Justice Thomas would be required to be aware of such contributions, Gillers said, adding that he believes Thomas should then disclose those facts and allow parties in the case to argue for recusal.

But it would be up to Justice Thomas to decide whether to recuse himself. He could not be reached for comment.

As a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, Liberty Central can raise unlimited amounts of corporate money and largely avoid disclosing its donors.
Because of a recent Supreme Court decision, Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission, the group may also spend corporate money freely to advocate for or against candidates for office.

I'm most worried about the nature of the organisation and her fondness for Beck, personally.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:23:38pm

re: #1 Joo-LiZ

For some reason, it seems that the Obama administration has made a calculated decision to continue pressing Israel on the Ramat Shlomo (N. Jerusalem) construction approval.

This whole fiasco is driving me nuts. I'm normally quite calm, but this just seems so absurd, so childish.

One downright scary reason that I just came across in Foreign Policy, is this article saying it has to do with a briefing in January by Petraeus, that the US efforts in Af-Pak/Iraq are being harmed by the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

What's everyone else thinking?

Well, I'd like to read that article. I think Petraeus misstates--YES the conflict probably makes our work in other parts of the Muslim world harder, but that's certainly not going to be fixed by one stance about new building in East Jerusalem or another.

31 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:23:56pm
32 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:26:00pm

re: #29 iceweasel

I'm most worried about the nature of the organisation and her fondness for Beck, personally.

Liberty Central

Virginia (Ginni) Thomas, President and CEO

Ginni is a new social entrepreneur and the Founder of Liberty Central, Inc.

Ginni is excited about launching LibertyCentral.org and finds the new citizen activists inspirational! She brings passion, enthusiasm and principled participation to the public square. With 30 years of experience within the Washington beltway working alongside esteemed politicians like Dick Armey and for institutions like Hillsdale College, the Heritage Foundation and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Ginni is committed to serving as a clearinghouse for new and more effective online activism. Ginni, the ‘proud’ Nebraskan, is a fan of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham and other talk radio hosts. She is intrigued by Glenn Beck and listening carefully. She also enjoys motor homing and watching "24".

Same old stool samples.

33 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:27:04pm

re: #32 Gus 802

Same old stool samples.

That's Clarence Thomas's wife.

34 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:27:45pm

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

BBL - going to watch "The Color Purple" with the family, they've never seen it.

Excellent performances by Whoopie and Oprah, first and only time ever

35 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:28:11pm

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I'd like to read that article. I think Petraeus misstates--YES the conflict probably makes our work in other parts of the Muslim world harder, but that's certainly not going to be fixed by one stance about new building in East Jerusalem or another.

I think "scapegoat" is the operative word.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:29:57pm

re: #33 Gus 802

That's Clarence Thomas's wife.

Well, everyone has to have a hobby. His is being on the Supreme Court, hers is motor homing and Tea Partying.

37 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:30:44pm

re: #1 Joo-LiZ

but this just seems so absurd, so childish.

Well I think that particular tone well describes Obama and the people around him, and of course direction come from the top.

This is a disgusting 4 years.

Let us hope that's all it is.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:30:46pm

re: #35 Spare O'Lake

I think "scapegoat" is the operative word.

Yes, but it's not going to go away. So, while I realize it's a major pain in Gen. Petraeus' behind, I don't know as there's a real solution.

39 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:31:21pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, everyone has to have a hobby. His is being on the Supreme Court, hers is motor homing and Tea Partying.

I like the motorhome idea.

40 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:31:56pm
41 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:32:00pm

re: #39 Gus 802

I like the motorhome idea.

My grandparents motorhomed around the U.S. for almost a decade after retirement. They had a wonderful time.

42 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:33:33pm

re: #33 Gus 802

That's Clarence Thomas's wife.

Hadn't realised til this am that she also worked for Heritage at one point.

43 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:33:42pm

It is quite easy to arrange words and facts to make the other side look wrong.

44 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:33:48pm

come"s"

PIMF

45 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:34:51pm

re: #42 iceweasel

Hadn't realised til this am that she also worked for Heritage at one point.

They're a rather insulated, nepotistic and isolated group of people.

46 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:35:43pm

I feel like this:

47 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:37:33pm

Prime-Time Supremacy

Harlan is not the charming, genteel Mayberry you'd expect from a small town in Kentucky with a population around 2,000. At least not in Justified, the new FX series starring Timothy Olyphant as Raylan Givens, a maverick U.S. marshal dispatched to Harlan after he gets trigger-happy on a suspect in a Miami restaurant. Raylan's boss thinks sending him back to his quaint small town will be the ultimate punishment. As it turns out, Raylan's childhood friend Boyd (Walton Goggins) now leads a white-supremacist group so brazenly violent, they fire rocket launchers at black churches and rob banks in broad daylight. Maybe it's just my naiveté, but having lived in cities large and small, both north and south of the Mason-Dixon, I can't recall ever having seen a skinhead wash his car, or eat an ice-cream cone, or even glower from a dusky corner.

It turns out that Harlan's little local white-supremacy group is part of a real and growing problem. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, membership in white-extremist groups is ticking upward, as downtrodden, angry Caucasians seek an outlet for their anxieties about a black president, illegal immigration, and a leaky economy. Still, the supremacy surge seems to be much more acute in Hollywood than anywhere else in the country. The second season of Sons of Anarchycentered on a turf war in the town of Charming, Calif., between a white-separatist group called the League of American Nationalists and a motorcycle gang who are plenty unsavory, but at least they're not bigots. Your friendly neighborhood serial killer Dexter has dispatched his own supremacist, and all three iterations of the Law & Orderfranchise have featured stories in which murders lead to an underground white-power cell. Even a recent episode of the sci-fi puzzler Fringefeatured a Nazi villain who tries to poison folks at a meeting of the World Tolerance Initiative. In this tenuous moment, when we talk about post-racial America as though saying it can make it so, there's no more frightening a bogeyman than the occupational racist.

48 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:37:57pm

re: #43 Gus 802

It is quite easy to arrange words and facts to make the other side look wrong.

Of course, but regardless of how you "arrange facts" there is some sort of "truth" about the matter. One explanation will always be closer to the truth than another explanation.

What is this in reference to?

49 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:39:18pm

re: #48 Joo-LiZ

Of course, but regardless of how you "arrange facts" there is some sort of "truth" about the matter. One explanation will always be closer to the truth than another explanation.

What is this in reference to?

Nothing in particular. It's a common human behavior.

50 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:42:06pm

BBL

51 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:42:18pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Nothing in particular. It's a common human behavior.

Very true =P

That kinda thinking though, gets you to doubting everything... including yourself.

If you start thinking EVERY arrangement of "facts" is arbitrary or chosen to depict one side or another as wrong, you get to a point where you can't function in the world. At some point, you gotta accept some "arrangement" and use that as the basis for how you act/what you do.

52 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:42:27pm

re: #49 Gus 802

fact implies truth

53 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:43:20pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Nothing in particular. It's a common human behavior.

Passive the aggressive, please.
;D

54 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:43:46pm

re: #51 Joo-LiZ

Very true =P

That kinda thinking though, gets you to doubting everything... including yourself.

If you start thinking EVERY arrangement of "facts" is arbitrary or chosen to depict one side or another as wrong, you get to a point where you can't function in the world. At some point, you gotta accept some "arrangement" and use that as the basis for how you act/what you do.

Now that explains part of my personal life. :)

55 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:45:43pm

Back later! Enjoy Mr. Shuffles... the baby elephant above that is.

56 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:45:56pm

Jordan warns Israel of settlements expansion consequences

King Abdullah II of Jordan has warned Israel of consequences resulting from building new settlement units.

Terming the step as "unilateral", King Abdullah said the move to build 1, 600 units aims at changing occupied Jerusalem's identity and threatens sanctity of its holy places.

Such actions thwart endeavours to achieve peace and further intensifies the situation in the area, the king said after meeting with President of the European Parliament (EP) Jerzy Buzek.

A statement by the Jordanian Royal Court said that the king underlined importance of the European role in intensifying efforts in order to overcome obstacles facing a solution for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
He also noted that such solution should be based on the two-state principle and the Arab peace initiative.

57 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:46:02pm

Dogs make wonderful pets and companions.
*just sayin'*
BBL

58 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:46:14pm

re: #16 Racer X

I'll believe it when I see it.

(nice cozy picture btw)

Right.
Didn't happen to notice anyone anyone in the Obama Administration condemn this action?

Palestinians Honor a Figure Reviled in Israel as a Terrorist


EL BIREH, West Bank — Dozens of Palestinian students from the youth division of Fatah, the mainstream party led by President Mahmoud Abbas, gathered here on Thursday to dedicate a public square to the memory of a woman who in 1978 helped carry out the deadliest terrorist attack in Israel’s history...


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

59 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:46:43pm

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

Pile on.

60 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:47:19pm

re: #42 iceweasel

Hadn't realised til this am that she also worked for Heritage at one point.

In 2000, while at the Heritage Foundation, she was recruiting staff for a possible George W. Bush administration as her husband was hearing the case that would decide the election. When journalists reported her work, Thomas said she saw no conflict of interest and that she rarely discussed court matters with her husband.

Jeez, thank God that's all she was doing, imagine the furor that might have ensued if instead she had been "measuring the drapes."

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:47:22pm

re: #40 Thanos

Wow... Pentagon Shooter's gun came from Memphis police

Eh, they simply resell firearms that they confiscate. I've looked at a couple of sales from similar sources but the good ones are always gone fast (and cheap usually). But the sales are still in according with Federal Law and BATF regulations - it's not as if these are somehow easier for bad guys to get ahold of.

William

62 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:47:26pm

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

Jordan warns Israel of settlements expansion consequences

"It's international law!" Whatever has been ethnically cleansed by Jordanians must remain ethnically cleansed.

63 Bob Dillon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:47:38pm

I want to live my next life backwards:

You start out dead and get that out of the way.

Then you wake up in an old age home feeling better every day.

Then you get kicked out for being too healthy.

Enjoy your retirement and collect your pension.

Then when you start work, you get a gold watch on your first day.

You work 40 years until you're too young to work.

You get ready for High School: drink alcohol, party, and you're generally promiscuous.

Then you go to primary school, you become a kid, you play, and you have no responsibilities.

Then you become a baby, and then . . .

You spend your last 9 months floating peacefully in luxury, in spa-like conditions - central heating, room service on tap, and then...
You finish off as an orgasm.

I rest my case.

64 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:48:13pm

re: #58 MJ

Palestinians Honor a Figure Reviled in Israel as a Terrorist

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Hillary didn't call them?

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:48:21pm

re: #58 MJ

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I saw that in the Chron yesterday.

Yes, this is what we're up against. This is Fatah, the 'rational' Palestinian government.

66 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:49:05pm

re: #63 Bobibutu

I want to live my next life backwards:

You start out dead and get that out of the way.

Then you wake up in an old age home feeling better every day.

Then you get kicked out for being too healthy.

Enjoy your retirement and collect your pension.

Then when you start work, you get a gold watch on your first day.

You work 40 years until you're too young to work.

You get ready for High School: drink alcohol, party, and you're generally promiscuous.

Then you go to primary school, you become a kid, you play, and you have no responsibilities.

Then you become a baby, and then . . .

You spend your last 9 months floating peacefully in luxury, in spa-like conditions - central heating, room service on tap, and then...
You finish off as an orgasm.

I rest my case.

Did you see The Curious Case of Benjamin Button?

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:49:22pm

re: #62 Alouette

"It's international law!" Whatever has been ethnically cleansed by Jordanians must remain ethnically cleansed.

Wonder what international law has to say about Jordan taking away the citizenship of Jordanian Palestinians? Anything?

68 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:49:59pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Wonder what international law has to say about Jordan taking away the citizenship of Jordanian Palestinians? Anything?

Of course not, silly, "international law" only applies to keeping Jew-free areas, Jew-free.

69 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:50:29pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

My grandparents motorhomed around the U.S. for almost a decade after retirement. They had a wonderful time.

There's a large community of retirees that do this. We met a bunch of them spending the summer near Yellowstone National Park. From there, as the weather got colder, they started migrating south for the winter.

At the time, hook-up fees were cheap, even in prime season, at around $12 a day (I'm sure it's more now, but still reasonable) and that not only got you plugged in, but also gave you access to hot showers. Pretty sweet, and I think they had long-term rates that were even lower.

70 Bob Dillon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:51:13pm

re: #66 Alouette

Did you see The Curious Case of Benjamin Button?

I started to and for whatever reason never did. So now I guess I just have to. ;-)

71 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:52:29pm

Construction of security fence between Israel and Egypt approved

On Sunday (Mar. 14) the Israeli government approved construction of a fence along the border between Israel and Egypt. The fence would be another obstacle for those seeking to infiltrate into Israel through the Egyptian border. The project is estimated to cost NIS 1.35 billion and is based on a common outline made by the IDF and the Minister of Internal Security.

The fence along the border of Egypt will cover about 240 km, from the Kerem Shalom crossing to the Taba border area. Parts of the border will be fenced with a physical barrier and other parts will be through means of warning signs. According to estimates made by the IDF, 1.3 tons of hashish were seized at the border last year and 130 kg of heroin. Also, about 5,000 infiltrators illegally crossed the border.

During a cabinet meeting, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he accepted "the decision to close the southern border of Israel to infiltrators and terrorists after long discussions with government ministries and professional bodies. This is a strategic decision to ensure the Jewish and democratic character of the State of Israel."

In addition, the Prime Minister said, "Israel will remain open to refugees, but we can not allow thousands of illegal workers to enter Israel though the southern border and flood our country illegally."

72 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:54:42pm

Noah Pollak had a good piece in Commentary which came out after yesterday's thread on this topic:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

73 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:54:57pm

re: #37 Ojoe

This is a disgusting 4 years.

Let us hope that's all it is.

Last time I checked, it has only been 14 months. Not that there aren't very valid reasons to be critical, but it is still early days.

74 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 1:58:37pm

U.S. finds ouster of Muslim New York City principal biased

The U.S. Equal Opportunity Employment Commission endorses a complaint by Debbie Almontaser that New York City pressed her to resign because of bias against her Arab national origin, Muslim religion, and “race”. She had been the newly appointed principal of the new, public, Khalil Gibran International Academy that the Mayor and Chancellor had initiated. She may get reinstated, back pay, damages, and legal fees. The court gave the two parties time to work this out. Municipal counsel refuses to reinstate her.

Formerly a teacher, Almontaser was opposed for having what was seen as a Radical Muslim bias. She reputedly was moderate.

One of the culminating accusations was her apparent defense of a student’s tee-shirt declaring “Intifada NYC.” She was on the board of the organization that rented space to the distributors of the tee-shirts, but disclaimed advance knowledge of the shirts. She explained that “Intifada” means shaking off, but came to mean something else by the Palestinian Arabs. The news account did not specify what “else.” The commission found that the New York Post elaborated upon her remarks misleadingly (Andrea Elliot, NY Times, 3/13, A1).

75 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:03:05pm

re: #29 iceweasel

Wow. So Thomas rules in favor of allowing fewer restrictions on campaigning from a type of entity that his wife then immediately creates?

That is, at the very least, bad form.

76 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:04:05pm

re: #58 MJ

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Of course not.

We wouldn't want to "provoke them", or seem "unfair" by asking them to refrain from celebrating their glorious history, would we?

It reminds me of what ElderofZiyon calls the Diplomacy of Fear:

For decades, the Arab world specifically and the Muslim world in general has used threats as its main leverage to get the West to bend to its will. The threats aren't usually direct; most often they take the form of "if you don't do what we want, the Arab street will erupt" or "the terrorists will have an excuse." In other words, if [Arabs] do not get what they desire from the West, then they will be powerless to stop the irrational forces within their borders from damaging Western interests.

A crystal clear example of this:

Top Fatah official and holder of the Jerusalem portfolio Khatem Abd el-Kader called Palestinians on Sunday to “converge on al Aksa to save it” from what he called “Israeli attempts to destroy the mosque and replace it with the [Jewish] temple.”


Khader was speaking ahead of a dedication of a renovated synagogue in the Jewish Quarter in the Old City, planned to take place Tuesday.

He called Israel’s renovation of the Hurva Synagogue a “provocation” and warned Israel that it was “playing with fire.”

The Hurva Synagogue is the one mentioned earlier which had been destroyed by Jordan after '48.

77 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:06:57pm

MATTHEWS AND BRONNER PLAY THE RACE CARD

In another disgusting bout of anti-Israeli racism, MSNBC’s Hardball host Chris Matthews and his guest, The New York Times’ Ethan Bronner, have suggested that Barack Obama’s low popularity in Israel is connected to the fact he is black.

Bronner is the Jerusalem Bureau Chief and former deputy op-ed page editor of The New York Times. He was asked by Matthews why Obama is less popular in Israel than Bill Clinton was.

Instead of outlining examples of the extraordinary anti-Israeli pressure and sentiment that the Obama administration displayed in its first year in office, Bronner said (live on air) “I think there’s some degree of racism to be perfectly honest” and Matthews replied “Yeah, because they see him as a black man...”

[Link: www.tomgrossmedia.com...]

78 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:06:59pm

re: #19 Joo-LiZ

re: #19 Joo-LiZ

Excellent posts. Just keep speaking the truth.

79 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:07:46pm

re: #76 Joo-LiZ

And what I meant by just keep speaking the truth is that you are speaking the truth and more need to do so loudly.

80 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:08:27pm

re: #76 Joo-LiZ

History is apparently a provocation to el-Kader.
Hurva Synagogue:

Excavations carried out at the site between July and August 2003 revealed evidence from four main settlement periods: First Temple (800–600 BCE), Second Temple (100 CE), Byzantine and Ottoman. Three bedrock-hewn mikvahs (ritual baths) were uncovered there dating from the 1st century. The earliest tradition regarding the site is of a synagogue existing there at the time of the 2nd century sage Judah haNasi.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
81 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:08:55pm

re: #75 Obdicut

Wow. So Thomas rules in favor of allowing fewer restrictions on campaigning from a type of entity that his wife then immediately creates?

That is, at the very least, bad form.

But just remember, Thomas is not a judicial activist... his shady acts are sanctioned because he is a conservative.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:09:26pm

re: #77 MJ

MATTHEWS AND BRONNER PLAY THE RACE CARD

[Link: www.tomgrossmedia.com...]

Oh, what BS.

I think a lot of Israelis distrust Obama for very bad reasons, but race does not seem to play a role in it.

83 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:10:51pm

re: #62 Alouette

"It's international law!" Whatever has been ethnically cleansed by Jordanians must remain ethnically cleansed.

And of course the West bank of Jordan is just the West Bank and the Jordanians who live there are now Palestinians.

Politics would be more simple if people had memories longer than a goldfish.

84 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:11:17pm

re: #79 LudwigVanQuixote

And what I meant by just keep speaking the truth is that you are speaking the truth and more need to do so loudly.

Thanks! I appreciate the sentiment, and agree whole-heartedly. =)

I have to admit, in recent weeks I got to a point where I was reading only analysis that to me to be totally backwards. It got me thinking that if "only I see things this way, how can EVERYONE else be wrong". I was really doubting myself. Then this diplomatic incident happened. A few voices of reason bubbled back to the surface. I came back here to see what was being said, and suddenly I realized I wasn't alone anymore.

People really do need to pipe-up and present the other viewpoint (as rationally/logically as possible) when everything seems so backwards.

85 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:11:47pm

Muslims unsure of Obama on eve of his trip back to a Muslim nation

President Barack Obama has left American Muslims puzzled in the nine months since he delivered a landmark speech in Cairo and pledged "to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world."

As Obama prepares to travel to Indonesia, which boasts the largest Muslim population in the world, American Islamic groups are divided over what he has accomplished since that day at Al-Azhar University, when he quoted the Quran and spoke of his father's Muslim roots.

"He raised a lot of expectations with his very positive rhetorical outreach in the early months of his presidency," Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Hill. "Unfortunately, we haven't seen that followed up with concrete policies."

Hooper cites a failure to move the Mideast peace process forward as an example of U.S. policy at a standstill, including Vice President Joe Biden's trip to the region last week, during which Israel announced new housing construction in East Jerusalem, flouting Washington's position against expansion of settlements.

Obama's outreach has included appointing Deputy Associate White House Counsel Rashad Hussain last month as special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference. "As a hafiz [memorization student] of the Quran, he is a respected member of the American Muslim community," Obama said in the announcement.

President George W. Bush first named a representative to the OIC in 2008 under similar objectives of outreach to the Muslim world.

There's just no pleasing these people.

86 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:11:56pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, what BS.

I think a lot of Israelis distrust Obama for very bad reasons, but race does not seem to play a role in it.

And they Question Obama for some good reasons too. The same good reasons that apply to any US president.

The US may be Israel's number one friend, but it is also beholden to Arab oil interests and Russian games in the region.

87 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:19:02pm

re: #84 Joo-LiZ

Thanks! I appreciate the sentiment, and agree whole-heartedly. =)

I have to admit, in recent weeks I got to a point where I was reading only analysis that to me to be totally backwards. It got me thinking that if "only I see things this way, how can EVERYONE else be wrong". I was really doubting myself. Then this diplomatic incident happened. A few voices of reason bubbled back to the surface. I came back here to see what was being said, and suddenly I realized I wasn't alone anymore.

People really do need to pipe-up and present the other viewpoint (as rationally/logically as possible) when everything seems so backwards.

The amount of utter delusion that surrounds the Israel/Palestine issue is difficult to pierce. So many outright lies have been said so repeatedly that people take falsehood for "common knowledge." If they spent one week living in Israel they would know better, or even one week reading a serious and impartial history of the region, but of course that sort of research does not get done.

The biggest flaw of the Israelis is one shared by many scientists. We believe falsely that people will do their homework and reconsider their stances when presented with a better argument.

Since we know that the facts support us, we assume we must win.

But people do not act based on facts. They act based on perceptions and public pressures.

All that can be done is screaming the facts like bloody murder but doing so in an effective manner.

It is a war of memes memes win over facts evry time. SO to fight the memes, use the memes of our oown, only use true ones.

For example, the next time an Islamist whines about how peaceful the Palestinians are, show the results of a bus bombing.

The next time an Islamist whines about how civilized political Islam is, show a public decapitation or stoning. Show it in graphic detail and let people ponder how civilized the Islamists are.

Be certain to use the words of the Islamists themselves - quoted completely and accurately to demonstrate that these animals truly do want to destroy the West and subdue westerners.

The line I always use is, no they really do want to kill you, just ask them.

88 wiffersnapper  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:19:43pm

Angel Fire, NM had some terrific snow during my Spring Break. 2 days of knee high powder all day! Now back to school, ugh.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:22:39pm

Yemeni coastguard seized Iranian ship

The Yemeni news outlet Yemen Post reports that Yemen's coastguard seized an Iranian ship off the eastern coast. The ship was seized in cooperation with non-specified international anti-piracy troops operating from the US-French military basis in Jibuti. Why the Yemeni coastguard seized the Iranian ship detaining its 16 Pakistani crew members and the Iranian owner, was not explained. According to the Yemeni Interior Ministry, the ship had entered Yemeni waters illegally.

90 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:32:53pm

re: #12 Joo-LiZ

But it is just SOOO misguided, it is unreal.

I think my frustration has to do with a confluence of several events.

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The specifics here are what make this different.

This isn't just criticizing settlements. Bibi and Obama had a whole spat last year over the idea of a "complete freeze" of settlement building. It was eventually agreed that Bibi would implement a settlement freeze everywhere in the West Bank EXCEPT Jerusalem.

Clinton praised Bibi for this. Correctly pointed out it was further than any previous leader was willing to, or has gone before.

It still wasn't enough for Abbas. After that, the US worked for 6 months to get the Palestinians to talk despite that it was not a COMPLETE freeze. Finally, Abbas says "okay, we'll do proximity talks even though there is building in Jerusalem". Then Israel announces building in Jerusalem in a NON-CONTROVERSIAL area, and all of a sudden it's a serious affront to the US, undermines trust, is a provocative motions, is a clear sign that the Israel doesn't want peace.

I just don't get it.

There are also many issues that I have with Palestinian incitement, rioting, firebombing, rock throwing, that has been happening and increasing manyfold over the past couple months, and there is not a peep about it!


As a regular reader of LGF, I remember the period when every week there was a thread about Obama throwing someone or something under the bus.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

91 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:34:37pm

re: #20 stevemcg

Sunny my ass.

Sunni?

92 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:35:54pm

re: #90 ryannon

As a regular reader of LGF, I remember the period when every week there was a thread about Obama throwing someone or something under the bus.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

I think someone beat you to it.


Obama picks a great time to throw Israel under the bus

93 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:36:22pm

Let's create more stateless people.

Muhannad Haddad grew up here, went to school here, got a job in a bank here and traveled to foreign countries with a passport from here. Then one day the authorities said he was no longer Jordanian, and with that one stroke they took away his citizenship and compromised his ability to travel, study, work, seek health care, buy property or even drive.

The authorities effectively told him they were doing it for his own good. They said that like thousands of other Jordanians of Palestinian descent, he was being stripped of his citizenship to preserve his right to someday return to the occupied West Bank or East Jerusalem.

“They gave me a paper that said, ‘You are now Palestinian,’ ” he said, recalling the day three years ago that his life changed.

In a report titled “Stateless Again,” issued last month, Human Rights Watch said that 2,700 people in Jordan lost their citizenship from 2004 to 2008, and that at least another 200,000 remained vulnerable, largely those who moved abroad at some point in search of work.

The government says it is trying to help by requiring Jordanians of Palestinian descent who fled the West Bank or Jerusalem after the war in 1967 to keep their Israeli documents valid. This has become a more urgent matter recently, political analysts and government officials said, with the accession of a right-wing Israeli government and its ultraconservative foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman.

“It is no secret that some elements in Israel would like to see the Palestinian areas without the people,” said Nabil Sharif, Jordan’s minister of state and a government spokesman. “We do not want to be party to this.”

Critics and human rights advocates, however, see a different motivation. They said the Jordanian government acted to preserve its own interest, trying to appease non-Palestinian Jordanians concerned about the growing economic and political influence of citizens of Palestinian descent, a charge Mr. Sharif denied. They say it also appears that Jordan is frightened by talk of declaring Jordan a Palestinian homeland as an alternative to a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.

SNIP

94 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:36:27pm

This op/ed can only be compared to Representative Massa giving a lecture to a bunch of future scout troop leaders on proper behavior...
Pot, meet Kettle...
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

95 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:37:57pm
96 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:38:42pm

re: #76 Joo-LiZ

What really drives me absolutely freaking running around screaming crazy, is that the same Israelis who warn that we must compromise and make concessions to the Arabs "or else!" "because the clock is ticking!" "they will soon outnumber us!" are also the ones who scream "Crush them! Destroy them!" when it comes to dealing with the Haredi population.

Now I am Haredi myself (and my son served in the IDF!), and I admit that this community can be very difficult to deal with at times, but to take a harder stand against the Haredi than against the Palestinians is just, well, freaking stupid.

97 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:39:44pm

4 NATO jets trail 2 Russian bombers over Arctic, Atlantic

Two Russian Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bombers that carried out a routine patrol mission over the Arctic and Atlantic Oceans were shadowed by four NATO fighters, the Defense Ministry said on Friday.

Spokesman Lt. Col. Vladimir Drik said the bombers spent about 11 hours in the air on Thursday and were "accompanied" by two NATO F-16 Fighting Falcons of the Norwegian Air Force and two RAF Tornados.

This is thought to be the first time Russian strategic bombers have been followed by such a large number of NATO jets.

A similar patrol mission on September 29, 2009, was shadowed by an F-22 Raptor, reportedly the first time the world's only fifth-generation fighter aircraft, which uses stealth technology, was sent out to keep an eye on Russian planes.

Russian strategic bombers resumed patrol flights over the Pacific, Atlantic, and Arctic oceans in August 2007, following an order from then-President Vladimir Putin, and are usually shadowed by less sophisticated NATO aircraft.

98 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:40:15pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Could this be true?

New Evidence Indicates China may be Bankrupt

So who has all the cash? Baby Fark McGeezax?

99 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:40:33pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan
Eventually, you bet'cha.
It's not as if the ChiComs are going to open up their books.

100 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:41:40pm

"Yo..Yo ...Check it out ,check it out ,Dude that was "dope man,Dope"!
So! What's Mrs. Loader watching??

Let's take caller #...ah...3.Caller #3 wins today's "WTFAYW" Question
and $4,000.00 Quatloos!
For those just tuning in ..."WTFAYW" is the Money,money show, "What The Fu^& Are You Watching"!
Let's get to phones...

101 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:41:45pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Could this be true?

New Evidence Indicates China may be Bankrupt

I saw a few stories this morning in which the ChicComs are declaring their solvency.

102 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:42:11pm

re: #93 MandyManners
Naw...
' Give 'Em A State, they're Ready '.
///

103 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:42:20pm

re: #99 tradewind

Hey!

104 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:42:49pm

re: #102 tradewind

Naw...
' Give 'Em A State, they're Ready '.
///

Well, the Jordans have had a hard time with them.

105 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:43:00pm

Gotta' get The Kid to Bible Bowl.

106 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:43:12pm

re: #96 Alouette

What really drives me absolutely freaking running around screaming crazy, is that the same Israelis who warn that we must compromise and make concessions to the Arabs "or else!" "because the clock is ticking!" "they will soon outnumber us!" are also the ones who scream "Crush them! Destroy them!" when it comes to dealing with the Haredi population.

Now I am Haredi myself (and my son served in the IDF!), and I admit that this community can be very difficult to deal with at times, but to take a harder stand against the Haredi than against the Palestinians is just, well, freaking stupid.

I think that goes back to a deeper misunderstanding in the secular/religious divide.

There is a big tendency on all sides to tar groups with broad brushes. I know many orthodox/religious Jews who are extremely welcoming and accepting of anybody of any level of observance. But then there also those who are not so accepting. When I see Haredi are intolerance, it becomes hard to sympathize with them.

That being said, it does completely go both ways. Many "secular" people assume that anyone in black with peyot, a beard, and one of those hats is automatically intolerant.

THAT is the sort of thing Israeli society would be working towards fixing if it didn't have the mess of the conflict and it's security to deal with.

107 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:43:36pm

re: #103 MandyManners
Hey back. How're ya'll doing here? Any really fun flounces? Any triple-x scandals?

108 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:44:35pm

re: #106 Joo-LiZ
Wow, peyote's part of the deal?
:)
I did not know that.

109 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:46:31pm

re: #96 Alouette

What really drives me absolutely freaking running around screaming crazy, is that the same Israelis who warn that we must compromise and make concessions to the Arabs "or else!" "because the clock is ticking!" "they will soon outnumber us!" are also the ones who scream "Crush them! Destroy them!" when it comes to dealing with the Haredi population.

Now I am Haredi myself (and my son served in the IDF!), and I admit that this community can be very difficult to deal with at times, but to take a harder stand against the Haredi than against the Palestinians is just, well, freaking stupid.

Yeah the left has as many whack jobs as the right.

At the end of the day the trick is to call a whack job a whack job.

As to the particular issue of Haredim, most Haredi are wonderful G-d fearing people who would give you the coat off of their back if you needed it.

Most are fervently pro Zionist.

However, let's look at mea Sharim honestly as well. There are groups in there who are simply batshit insane, and live off of welfare, make 12 babies they can not support and give no thought to supporting, do not serve in the military or contribute to the economy and contemptuously view the hard working Israelis who support them as less holy.

Those hypocritical Haredim, who seemed to miss all the Torah about getting a job and supporting your family and not having baseless hatred for klal y'Israel deserve even more contempt than they normally get.

110 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:47:27pm

re: #104 MandyManners
Lemme see... who else owes them some real estate besides Jordan? Southern Syria, and parts of Lebanon, I think.
If only those colonial-era Brits were back in charge... they could cobble that into a cohesive piece of statehood in no time.
Or not.

111 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:48:32pm

re: #105 MandyManners
Good luck... hope your team wins.

112 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:50:22pm

re: #108 tradewind

Wow, peyote's part of the deal?
:)
I did not know that.

I recently read an account by some British left-wing politician who had visited Gaza (not Galloway -- some other labour guy), and he was referred to the IDF soldiers as "ringleted" guards.

“Bags of cement are slit open by grinning ringletted guards. Having destroyed [Gaza] they maintain the destruction.”

Can you get into more of a caricature than that?

(**disclaimer: I read this a while ago, I just did a google search to have something to link to for it... I don't really know the source I linked)

113 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:55:02pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah the left has as many whack jobs as the right.

At the end of the day the trick is to call a whack job a whack job.

As to the particular issue of Haredim, most Haredi are wonderful G-d fearing people who would give you the coat off of their back if you needed it.

Most are fervently pro Zionist.

However, let's look at mea Sharim honestly as well. There are groups in there who are simply batshit insane, and live off of welfare, make 12 babies they can not support and give no thought to supporting, do not serve in the military or contribute to the economy and contemptuously view the hard working Israelis who support them as less holy.

Those hypocritical Haredim, who seemed to miss all the Torah about getting a job and supporting your family and not having baseless hatred for klal y'Israel deserve even more contempt than they normally get.

Yes, but even "those" Haredim (except for the dozen or so Neturei Karta attention queens) do not deserve to be treated more harshly than your average Hamas or Fatah terrorist.

114 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:56:33pm

re: #112 Joo-LiZ

Can you get into more of a caricature than that?

(**disclaimer: I read this a while ago, I just did a google search to have something to link to for it... I don't really know the source I linked)

There were no Nahal Haredi soldiers serving in Gaza. They serve in the Jordan Valley.

115 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:58:21pm

re: #112 Joo-LiZ
There was undoubtedly some major editorial back-and -forth over whether to go with ' ringleted' or 'jheri curled './/
Probably not really big into researching traditions there.

116 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 2:59:32pm

I just got a cool photo, unrelated to any of the topics being discussed.

This deep-sea relative of the common doodle-bug hitchhiked a ride on an ROV sent down to check on deep sea drilling operations. It was brought up from 8500 feet (slowly) and was about 2 1/2 feet long. Pretty strange looking critter! Apparently they stay on the bottom and wait for fish in shallower water to die and fall to the bottom, and that's what they feed on.

117 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:01:53pm

re: #113 Alouette

Yes, but even "those" Haredim (except for the dozen or so Neturei Karta attention queens) do not deserve to be treated more harshly than your average Hamas or Fatah terrorist.

Well, I think Hamas and Fatah terrorists should be summarily shot and their bodys smeared with pig fat before being buried unshriven at sea.

I hope you don't think I am equating the two.

Honestly despite how intense the rhetoric in Israel can get, I sincerely doubt that even the most cranky leftist communist Israeli would want Haredim actually shot.

On the other hand the Haredim need to be called on their more outrageous actions - particularly by observant Jews so that we as a whole do not get a bad name.

The modesty police need to have their asses handed to them. If the Haredim riot when the modesty police have their asses handed to them, some of those Haredim need their heads cracked as an example. Squds of Observant women need to sit in the front of the Haredi buses and tell the bochers who protest to go to hell.

I am sorry, I am not going to tolerate any form of religious crazy from my own people - especially my own people, who should know better, when I spend so much time excoriating crazy right wing Christians or Islamists.

Certain Haredim are nothing more than chillul Hashem on two feet. They should be corrected.

118 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:02:59pm

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, I think Hamas and Fatah terrorists should be summarily shot and their bodys smeared with pig fat before being buried unshriven at sea.

I hope you don't think I am equating the two.

Honestly despite how intense the rhetoric in Israel can get, I sincerely doubt that even the most cranky leftist communist Israeli would want Haredim actually shot.

On the other hand the Haredim need to be called on their more outrageous actions - particularly by observant Jews so that we as a whole do not get a bad name.

The modesty police need to have their asses handed to them. If the Haredim riot when the modesty police have their asses handed to them, some of those Haredim need their heads cracked as an example. Squds of Observant women need to sit in the front of the Haredi buses and tell the bochers who protest to go to hell.

I am sorry, I am not going to tolerate any form of religious crazy from my own people - especially my own people, who should know better, when I spend so much time excoriating crazy right wing Christians or Islamists.

Certain Haredim are nothing more than chillul Hashem on two feet. They should be corrected.

Agree 100%

119 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:03:13pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

I foresee a new cajun recipe!

120 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:04:15pm

re: #90 ryannon
Not to break form, they finally tossed... better make that slow-rolled... Desiree Washington. Only took 'em four months.

121 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:04:27pm

Watching the finish to the movie "Glory" for the how many I don't know times. Still chokes me up.

And then you have the reviled Jews in Israel in discussion here, equally heroic. Wake up people

122 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:04:31pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

I just got a cool photo, unrelated to any of the topics being discussed.

This deep-sea relative of the common doodle-bug hitchhiked a ride on an ROV sent down to check on deep sea drilling operations. It was brought up from 8500 feet (slowly) and was about 2 1/2 feet long. Pretty strange looking critter! Apparently they stay on the bottom and wait for fish in shallower water to die and fall to the bottom, and that's what they feed on.

Yikes, that's ugly!

123 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:04:38pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

re: #119 jaunte

What an amazing looking creature. Would it taste like lobster?

124 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:04:39pm

re: #118 Alouette

Agree 100%

I knew you would. I have always liked you by the way.

125 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:05:52pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

I just got a cool photo, unrelated to any of the topics being discussed.

This deep-sea relative of the common doodle-bug hitchhiked a ride on an ROV sent down to check on deep sea drilling operations. It was brought up from 8500 feet (slowly) and was about 2 1/2 feet long. Pretty strange looking critter! Apparently they stay on the bottom and wait for fish in shallower water to die and fall to the bottom, and that's what they feed on.

Pretty damn huge, considering how it makes a living.

126 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:05:55pm

re: #123 prairiefire

Wikipedia says they're eaten in Taiwan:

Giant isopods are of little interest to most commercial fisheries owing to the typical scarcity of catches and because ensnared isopods are usually scavenged beyond marketability before they are recovered. However, in northern Taiwan and other areas, they are not uncommon at seaside restaurants, served boiled and bisected with a clean lateral slice. The white meat, similar to crab or lobster in texture, is then easily removed.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
127 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:05:57pm

re: #124 LudwigVanQuixote

I knew you would. I have always liked you by the way.

You never sent that DNA sample I requested in order for you to date my daughter.

128 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:06:22pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout
So a doodle-bug's the same thing as a roly-poly.
I'm just glad they're darwin'd down to the small size they are now. How'd you like to come across one of those things as big as a heifer?

129 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:07:01pm

re: #123 prairiefire
Bite your tongue!
(Ok, dip it in butter first.)

130 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:07:20pm

Movin' to the seafloor soon,
gonna be an isopod tycoon...

131 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:08:04pm

re: #127 Alouette

You never sent that DNA sample I requested in order for you to date my daughter.

Lol, you never told me if she is pretty and likes physics ;)

132 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:08:07pm

re: #128 tradewind

Has the colt/filly arrived yet?

133 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:08:24pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

What a face:
Image: File:Bathynomus_giganteus.jpg

134 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:09:05pm

re: #133 jaunte

The metallic eyes! God is amazing to have such a sense of humor.

135 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:10:21pm

re: #113 Alouette

Yes, but even "those" Haredim (except for the dozen or so Neturei Karta attention queens) do not deserve to be treated more harshly than your average Hamas or Fatah terrorist.

Absolutely agree.

136 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:11:24pm

re: #119 jaunte

I foresee a new cajun recipe!

heheh.
Hubby tells me he did cook one of these once. LOL.
He says it's an ocean light meat, and tastes sort of like crab.

137 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:11:43pm

People have been linking to this today...
Justice's wife launches 'tea party' group

In January, Virginia Thomas created Liberty Central Inc., a nonprofit lobbying group whose website will organize activism around a set of conservative "core principles," she said.

The group plans to issue score cards for Congress members and be involved in the November election, although Thomas would not specify how. She said it would accept donations from various sources -- including corporations -- as allowed under campaign finance rules recently loosened by the Supreme Court.

As I recall that includes contributions from foreign corporations which could also be owned by foreign governments. This is sort of troubling on a couple different levels. First, we could possibly be seeing the emergence of a politically active Supreme Court which lobbies on it's own behalf and could possibly pass rulings to expand its own power and influence. As seen by this case they made a ruling and are now among the first to test the limits of their own decision. I'm not completely sure yet but I'm not comfortable with this.

138 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:12:17pm

re: #107 tradewind

Hey back. How're ya'll doing here? Any really fun flounces? Any triple-x scandals?

It's been about the same.

139 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:12:59pm

re: #110 tradewind

Lemme see... who else owes them some real estate besides Jordan? Southern Syria, and parts of Lebanon, I think.
If only those colonial-era Brits were back in charge... they could cobble that into a cohesive piece of statehood in no time.
Or not.

Egypt?

140 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:13:10pm
141 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:13:58pm

re: #111 tradewind

Good luck... hope your team wins.

It's just practice.

142 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:14:03pm

re: #133 jaunte

What a face:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Here's a photo of the face of the one in the first photo I posted.

143 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:14:25pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Here's a link for the cookbook blog.

Yum!
Got it.

144 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:16:28pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

Here's his tiny land pill-bug cousin.
Image: stock-photo-closeup-of-face-of-a-pillbug-26292412.jpg

145 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:16:53pm

re: #112 Joo-LiZ

Can you get into more of a caricature than that?

(**disclaimer: I read this a while ago, I just did a google search to have something to link to for it... I don't really know the source I linked)

Moonbats on Parade.

This is my last day in Gaza before I head back to Cairo and then home to DC. And it’s strange, but I’m feeling “homesick” already. I feel both that I should stay here to show solidarity with the people – joining the ISM (International Solidarity Movement) to help fishermen and farmers make a living — and to get to know this unique wedge of land and its population a little better. Today was jampacked with activities, starting with a tour of some of the most war-ravaged areas of Gaza (the bitter) and ending with a delightful evening with new friends I’ve made here who I hope will be lifelong acquaintances (the sweet).

SNIP

146 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:17:09pm

re: #144 jaunte

My son catches those in the back yard and gives them all names. I know, he's deprived.

147 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:18:20pm

re: #123 prairiefire

re: #119 jaunte

What an amazing looking creature. Would it taste like lobster?

Chicken of the sea.

148 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:19:30pm

re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol, you never told me if she is pretty and likes physics ;)

She is utterly gorgeous, but she's not into math and physics (but oldest daughter reads quantum theory for fun, but she's already married with 7 kids). But she does work at a high-end electronics company and has access to all kinds of high-tech goodies.

149 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:21:12pm

re: #144 jaunte

Here's his tiny land pill-bug cousin.
[Link: thumb18.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net...]

Good grief!
From that angle, you can sure see the family resemblance, eh?

150 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:24:10pm

re: #132 prairiefire
Ouch. Lost a bay colt, 1st of February. Too early by a bit.
Could have been worse... coulda been a filly.

151 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:24:23pm

re: #148 Alouette

She is utterly gorgeous, but she's not into math and physics (but oldest daughter reads quantum theory for fun, but she's already married with 7 kids). But she does work at a high-end electronics company and has access to all kinds of high-tech goodies.

Random Question.. how hard would it be for an international student to come and work at one of those companies for half a year or so?

152 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:24:43pm

Did Hosni Mubarak die in surgery?

The talk of the Egyptian blogosphere right now is a fast-spreading rumor that President Hosni Mubarak has died. Hundreds of Egyptian and Arabic-speaking Twitter users are posting news of the 81-year-old leader’s death. The reports occurred after reports of Mubarak dying in a German hospital were broadcast on Russian television and on Arabic television.

Hosni Mubarak has been the President of Egypt since 1981, making him the country’s longest-serving leader since Mohammed Ali.

So… is Mubarak dead?

153 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:25:08pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

Did Hosni Mubarak die in surgery?

That'd be HUGE if true.

154 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:25:20pm

re: #150 tradewind

I am so sorry. I remember you posted about perhaps naming it after the lead in the "Life" TV show.

155 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:25:39pm

re: #139 MandyManners
Were there any Egyptians in that bunch that were encouraged to rush the borders of Israel?
Maybe so... I can't remember. But I think it was the Egyptians who instigated it.

156 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:25:51pm

re: #73 bratwurst

Not that there aren't very valid reasons to be critical, but it is still early days.

Well unfortunately it is still early.

I don't expect much leadership anymore.

For instance, the economy is on the ropes, significant numbers of people can't find work and are hurting, and instead of primairly addressing this big problem, Obama the political klutz ignites a 1 year plus shouting match about "health care reform."

He can't get the country united and working for the common good, and instead indulges in the politics of class division.

It is no good for the country and I am sick of it.

157 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:27:14pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

Did Hosni Mubarak die in surgery?

What?

158 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:27:48pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout
The SCOTUS does not, last time I looked, count among its members the justices' wives.

159 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:27:50pm

re: #155 tradewind

Were there any Egyptians in that bunch that were encouraged to rush the borders of Israel?
Maybe so... I can't remember. But I think it was the Egyptians who instigated it.

I don't recall.

160 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:28:48pm

re: #157 MandyManners
It 'll be pinned on his joooish doctor, you wait.///

161 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:28:49pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

So let's say you're right and these people are deserving of scorn which I don't agree. Eating, sleeping, learning and procreating, especially learning is a lifestyle not necessarily contrary to Torah teaching.

Let's compare them to Moslems in Europe especially in England who soak up public funding but the difference is that they want to destroy that which is responsible for their lifestyle.

The Jews above, lazy as they may appear have nothing against the system that supports them.

162 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:30:53pm

re: #154 prairiefire
We'll give her some time off to recover and maybe re-breed her next year. Charley Crews didn't make it, though.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:31:40pm

re: #161 Plato

So let's say you're right and these people are deserving of scorn which I don't agree. Eating, sleeping, learning and procreating, especially learning is a lifestyle not necessarily contrary to Torah teaching.

Let's compare them to Moslems in Europe especially in England who soak up public funding but the difference is that they want to destroy that which is responsible for their lifestyle.

The Jews above, lazy as they may appear have nothing against the system that supports them.

Some of the groups we're discussing do not, in fact, recognize the State of Israel.

And the idea that because you're learning the state should support you is neither traditional nor particularly savory.

164 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:36:20pm

re: #158 tradewind

The SCOTUS does not, last time I looked, count among its members the justices' wives.

True, at first I wasn't bothered by it but it seems like she and her husband are intentionally pushing the boundaries. If the whole court decides to lobby with their own private proxies it could seriously upset the balance of power. I guess the reason why the right isn't doing their usual complaining about "judicial activism" is because it's a Tea Party thing. It would also be an interesting scenario if the Supreme Court took over the Tea Party movement. We'll have to wait an see what happens.

165 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:37:16pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist


Learning for learning's sake is permitted. That it drains resourses from good hard working people leaves something to be desired true.

Still, although some think that the nation's existence should have been predicated on the coming of the messiah, I believe these people love their home and would never wish violence upon it like the others I mentioned before.

166 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:38:06pm

whoops...how did that happen?

167 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:39:07pm

re: #42 iceweasel
Suddenly there's concern? Justice Ginsburg was an abortion-rights activist before joining the Court. Sotomayor was politically active in Latina and leftist union causes. And Ed Rendell's wife is still a sitting judge in PA, and he is governor of the state.

168 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:40:33pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

Skype isn't very popular with governments over there.

Another one bites the dust: Egypt blocks Skype!


UAE ban on Skype 'short-sighted' -CEO

169 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:42:09pm

Reposted.

Suspected drug cartel “hit teams” murdered two Americans from the US consulate in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez as well as the Mexican husband of a co-worker in two separate attacks, a US official.

The victims came under fire in separate locations as they were driving Saturday after attending the same social event, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“Suspected drug cartel hit teams fired on locally employed staff, Consulate General Juarez, in their privately owned vehicles,” the official said.

“The attacks resulted in three fatalities – two American citizens and one Mexican citizen,” he said.

A US woman who worked in the consulate’s American citizens services section was with her husband and infant daughter when they came under fire, the official said.

The infant daughter survived the attack unharmed, but the woman and her husband were killed, he said.

In the second attack, a Mexican consulate employee was following her husband and two children in a separate car, when her husband’s vehicle came under fire, killing him and wounding the two children, the official said.

SNIP

170 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:42:17pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout
Ginny Thomas is a lightweight compared to the three I just mentioned above. And Ginsburg and Sotomayor are sitting on the court as justices now, with all that baggage trailing behind them. I doubt they'll be recusing themselves from cases associated with their pet causes, either.

171 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:42:18pm

re: #168 jaunte

Seems like nobody knows much. A lot of sites are quoting the doctors from the last week saying he is "improving" but nothing I found definitively stating "He is still alive, right now"

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:42:23pm

re: #165 Plato

Learning for learning's sake is permitted. That it drains resourses from good hard working people leaves something to be desired true.

Still, although some think that the nation's existence should have been predicated on the coming of the messiah, I believe these people love their home and would never wish violence upon it like the others I mentioned before.

The others you mentioned were 'Muslims in Europe', which is a pretty damn broad brush to be painting with.

And they have NOTHING to do with the Israeli Haredi groups.

So, sure, let's say that supporters of Islamic fundamentalist violence are far worse than Israelis who think the state owes them a living. I accept that. But that's a crazy standard. I could excuse all sorts of bad behavior by pointing out that terrorist supporters are still much worse.

173 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:45:06pm

re: #169 MandyManners

The big philosophical question in this gritty border town does not concern trees falling in the forest but bodies falling on the concrete: Does a shootout actually happen if the newspapers print nothing about it, the radio and television stations broadcast nothing, and the authorities never confirm that it occurred?

As two powerful groups of drug traffickers engaged in fierce urban combat in Reynosa in recent weeks, the reality that many residents were living and the one that the increasingly timid news media and the image-conscious politicians portrayed were difficult to reconcile.

SNIP

“The pictures do not lie,” said a journalist in McAllen, Tex., who monitors what is happening south of the border online but has stopped venturing there himself. “You can hear the gunshots. You can see the bodies. You know it’s bad.”

The Mexican government’s drug offensive, employing tens of thousands of soldiers, marines and federal police officers, has unleashed ever increasing levels of violence over the last three years as traffickers have fought to protect their lucrative smuggling routes. Journalists have long been among the victims, but the attacks on members of the media now under way in Reynosa and elsewhere along a long stretch of border from Nuevo Laredo to Matamoros are at their worst.

SNIP

It's not going away. It's getting closer.

174 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:45:45pm

re: #167 tradewind

Suddenly there's concern? Justice Ginsburg was an abortion-rights activist before joining the Court. Sotomayor was politically active in Latina and leftist union causes. And Ed Rendell's wife is still a sitting judge in PA, and he is governor of the state.

The point is, Justice Thomas is a sitting justice of the US Supreme Court and his wife is currently undertaking activities that could cause major problems for Justice Thomas and the whole Supreme Court, if full disclosure of the organization's activities (and Mrs. Thomas' role in them) is not made.

175 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:46:27pm

re: #173 MandyManners

reposting within 3 posts strikes me as a cry for help >>

176 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:46:41pm

re: #169 MandyManners
This whole situation is very worrisome... we could have a true border war before we knew what was happening. The US border patrol has found over a hundred infiltrators that they have had to fire for being agents of the drug cartels.

177 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:47:36pm

re: #176 tradewind

a border war? I don't think that means what you think it means.

178 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:50:39pm

re: #174 talon_262
My point is that the fact that we have sitting now on the SCOTUS two justices who have very active legal and political histories of representing and advocating for cases and causes either now or likely to be presented before them. That seems more problematic. They have not previously recused themselves ( notably, Ginsburg in the Roe v. Wade reargument). Thomas has that option if it presents itself.

179 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:51:45pm

re: #170 tradewind

Ginny Thomas is a lightweight compared to the three I just mentioned above. And Ginsburg and Sotomayor are sitting on the court as justices now, with all that baggage trailing behind them. I doubt they'll be recusing themselves from cases associated with their pet causes, either.

Would you be ok if their spouses took over their causes for them?

180 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:51:59pm

re: #177 windsagio
Poor choice of words on my part.
I mean, of course, that we are in danger of having shooting conflicts between our border agents and Mexican drug cartels break out more widely and affect more civilians in our border states.

181 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #180 tradewind

fair enough, and yeah I misunderstood :D

I suspect its a ways from having anything like what's happening in Mexico crossing the border for a while yet, but its trending that way.

Its a bit of a catch-22. On one hand, they need to crack down, on the other hand, dogs bite when cornered. Or shoot, as the case may be.

182 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:54:17pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout
Do you mean would I care if Ginsburg or Sotomayor's spouses ( in this case, not an option) argued causes of action that were before the Court?
That's a little bass-ackwards, don't ya think?

183 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:55:21pm

re: #181 windsagio
I don't like the idea of their helicopters hovering over Texas.
Just sayin'.

184 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:55:36pm

OK, I just read the Hot Air thread on the Supreme Court/Tea party thing and I think I get it now. I was worried that this might be a power play by the entire court to expand it's own influence. It seems that this is just a trial balloon from Thomas (and family) to seee how far they can push it. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

185 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:56:04pm

re: #183 tradewind

I don't like helicopters hovering over me in general :P

186 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:57:10pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout
Or do you just mean took up where they left off?
No, I wouldn't care.
I mean, it's not as if we have lobbyists married to our senators and representatives.
Oh wait...

187 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:58:16pm

re: #178 tradewind

My point is that the fact that we have sitting now on the SCOTUS two justices who have very active legal and political histories of representing and advocating for cases and causes either now or likely to be presented before them. That seems more problematic. They have not previously recused themselves ( notably, Ginsburg in the Roe v. Wade reargument). Thomas has that option if it presents itself.

Regardless of their past activities and affiliations, Justices Ginsburg and Sotomayor aren't anywhere near being in the same position Justice Thomas is and could be in (due to his wife's activities), unless they are continuing to affiliate with those organizations in a manner that would be grounds for potential recusal (which, AFAIK, they aren't).

188 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 3:58:34pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout
Yeah, because Clarence Thomas is nothing if not an instigator.//
Shaking head...

189 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:00:31pm

re: #187 talon_262
I hope you're not being deliberately obtuse.
You are assuming that they put their political activism and business associations in a blind trust. We can hope, but I wouldn't bet the ranch.

190 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:01:56pm

What's the over-under on Obamacare making it by Thursday? Anyone got the line in Vegas?

191 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:02:30pm

re: #188 tradewind

Ok, just wondering. I've never taken the judicial activism complaints very seriously anyways. It's not surprising that the partisans only complain when the other side is doing it. If this was a liberal judge Glenn Beck would be having fits right now. Hot Air seems to think it's great to have a little judicial activism on their side for a change. To each his own, I suppose.

192 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:03:16pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout
Is Hot Air the same as Pajama thingamajig?

193 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:06:03pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of the groups we're discussing do not, in fact, recognize the State of Israel.

And the idea that because you're learning the state should support you is neither traditional nor particularly savory.

A great deal of the responsibility for this unsavory situation can be laid at the feet of Ben Gurion. In 1948, the population of Mea Shearim was very small and Ben Gurion arrogantly believed that the community would eventually become extinct. So he promised them exemption from military service, which at the time applied to not more than 100 scholars. Furthermore, he did not even want these people in the military under any circumstances.

It is way past time to change the policy. The Nahal Haredi Battalion has been successful, but there should be many more of these units.

194 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:07:04pm

re: #176 tradewind

This whole situation is very worrisome... we could have a true border war before we knew what was happening. The US border patrol has found over a hundred infiltrators that they have had to fire for being agents of the drug cartels.

The bribery is enormous.

195 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:07:50pm

Ok... finished with "The Color Purple" and now we have 3 inches of snow outside... pine trees look neat in the snow.

196 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:08:36pm

re: #185 windsagio

When I lived in the poor part of town, I would have police helicopter search lights shining into my second story windows about every weekend. I never waved at them. No sudden movements!

197 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:09:38pm

re: #192 tradewind

Is Hot Air the same as Pajama thingamajig?

No, Hot Air is a separate blog. It used to be owned by Malkin who is one of the PJM founders but she sold it to some Christian "family values" corporation which also owns Town Hall.

198 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:09:48pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Ok... finished with "The Color Purple" and now we have 3 inches of snow outside... pine trees look neat in the snow.

All of my trees are budding with some blooms starting on fruit trees. Also, many dogwoods are blooming already.

199 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:10:08pm

This is NOT an Onion story :


Chief exorcist says Devil is in Vatican

The Devil is lurking in the very heart of the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican's chief exorcist claimed on Wednesday.

Father Gabriele Amorth said people who are possessed by Satan vomit shards of glass and pieces of iron.

He added that the assault on Pope Benedict XVI on Christmas Eve by a mentally unstable woman and the sex abuse scandals which have engulfed the Church in the US, Ireland, Germany and other countries, were proof that the Anti-Christ was waging a war against the Holy See.

"The Devil resides in the Vatican and you can see the consequences," said Father Amorth, 85, who has been the Holy See's chief exorcist for 25 years.

"He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, or even appear to be sympathetic. At times he makes fun of me. But I'm a man who is happy in his work."

While there was "resistance and mistrust" towards the concept of exorcism among some Catholics, Pope Benedict XVI has no such doubts, Father Amorth said. "His Holiness believes wholeheartedly in the practice of exorcism. He has encouraged and praised our work," he added.

The evil influence of Satan was evident in the highest ranks of the Catholic hierarchy, with "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon," Father Amorth said.

It continues, and gets even funnier, here:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

200 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:11:43pm

re: #198 MandyManners

All of my trees are budding with some blooms starting on fruit trees. Also, many dogwoods are blooming already.

My bradford pear tree is in full bloom. I love spring.

201 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:12:51pm

re: #189 tradewind

I hope you're not being deliberately obtuse.
You are assuming that they put their political activism and business associations in a blind trust. We can hope, but I wouldn't bet the ranch.

No one, even Supreme Court justices, is a blank slate when they're hired or appointed to their jobs. Of course, Justices Ginsburg and Sotomayor (as well as the other seven justices) are going to draw on their knowledge and experiences in making their decisions in court, but the issue with Justice Thomas and his wife's activities is the potential for a conflict-of-interest because of Mrs. Thomas' current involvement.

A rematch on McCain-Feingold or any other campaign finance issues before the court could definitely be potential grounds for Thomas' recusal...

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:13:14pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

No, Hot Air is a separate blog. It used to be owned by Malkin who is one of the PJM founders but she sold it to some Christian "family values" corporation which also owns Town Hall.

Is this corporation under the impression that Christian family values are being supported at Hot Air? Because I'm not seein' it.

203 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:13:23pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

No, Hot Air is a separate blog. It used to be owned by Malkin who is one of the PJM founders but she sold it to some Christian "family values" corporation which also owns Town Hall.

That would be Salem Communications

204 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:14:05pm

re: #198 MandyManners
We got daffodils! And my pink dogwood is coming out.
I couldn't wait for the forsythia and stripped some for forcing, it was that bad a winter.

205 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:15:40pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this corporation under the impression that Christian family values are being supported at Hot Air? Because I'm not seein' it.

The also own Town Hall which pays Pat Buchanan to write antsemitic and racist crap.

206 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:15:45pm

re: #199 Jimmah

That story goes hand in hand front to back with the one about the Vatican insider who got caught in a gay sex solicitation scandal -- in other words: the debbil made him do it...

207 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:16:59pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this corporation under the impression that Christian family values are being supported at Hot Air? Because I'm not seein' it.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."- Ghandhi

208 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:17:04pm

Just got back...

Ok Ok but just for arguement's sake, religious zelots are the worst problem many countries have. Not so is Israel.

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

209 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:17:52pm

re: #199 Jimmah

This is NOT an Onion story :

It continues, and gets even funnier, here:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]



It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.

210 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:18:57pm

re: #207 Kruk

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."- Ghandhi

Not all of us.

211 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:19:02pm

re: #200 Jetpilot1101

My bradford pear tree is in full bloom. I love spring.

*twirrrlll*

212 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:19:47pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

The also own Town Hall which pays Pat Buchanan to write antsemitic and racist crap.

Part of the Arlington Group as well..

[Link: www.scottblochtrust.org...]

213 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:19:50pm

re: #204 tradewind

We got daffodils! And my pink dogwood is coming out.
I couldn't wait for the forsythia and stripped some for forcing, it was that bad a winter.

The daffodils have been out for about 10 days in some pockets.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:19:59pm

re: #210 Jetpilot1101

Not all of us.

We know. Even Gandhi knew. It's just that sometimes we get crabby.

215 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:20:48pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
'Family values ' is a phrase that I'd just as soon see relegated to the ash heap of political and news blog history.
I have my own, don't need/want them sprinkled amongst the news, and besides... the phrase has been co-opted by people who don't tend to have any and turned into a pet pejorative.

216 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:21:03pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

We know. Even Gandhi knew. It's just that sometimes we get crabby.

Point taken. I get crabby sometimes to when I see who and what has hijacked my faith.

217 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:21:09pm

re: #208 Plato

wait, are you saying Israel doesn't have a problem with religious zealots, or was that a typo?

218 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:21:26pm

re: #210 Jetpilot1101

Not all of us.

Absolutely. Most Christians live by Christ's message of love and goodwill among men. The ones who follow the word and not the spirit are a small (but very vocal) minority.

219 Plato  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:22:07pm

re: #217 windsagio

not jewish ones dedicated to the Israeli government's destruction

220 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:22:09pm

re: #196 prairiefire

I've read some fairly moving stuff from the old 'Brown Power' movement in the '70's LA, about how much they hated those freaking helicopters with their spotlights.

221 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:23:05pm

re: #207 Kruk
Wonder how Ghandi had room to carry around such a broad brush.

222 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:23:14pm

re: #209 ryannon

It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.


[Video]

Yeah right, somone's gotta abuse the mentally ill and exploit the results to promote this sort of garbage.

223 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:23:17pm

re: #215 tradewind

'Family values ' is a phrase that I'd just as soon see relegated to the ash heap of political and news blog history.
I have my own, don't need/want them sprinkled amongst the news, and besides... the phrase has been co-opted by people who don't tend to have any and turned into a pet pejorative.

It wouldn't be a pejorative if it's most vocal proponents practiced what they preach.
;)

224 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:23:51pm

re: #220 windsagio

I've read some fairly moving stuff from the old 'Brown Power' movement in the '70's LA, about how much they hated those freaking helicopters with their spotlights.

/I prefer them to drones...

225 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:23:51pm

re: #213 MandyManners
Yeah, but mine are in my front yard!
:)

226 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:24:29pm

re: #218 Kruk

Absolutely. Most Christians live by Christ's message of love and goodwill among men. The ones who follow the word and not the spirit are a small (but very vocal) minority.

Yes and unfortunately, rather then get on their knees and pray or go out and serve the community, they would rather exchange the tenets of Christianity for temporal glory. I'm by no means a perfect Christian but I think my conversation with the almighty will go quite well. I'm not so sure about some of the "pillars" of modern day Christianity.

227 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #224 brookly red

That's very 'dark future' of you ;)

228 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:24:51pm

re: #222 Jimmah

Yeah right, somone's gotta abuse the mentally ill and exploit the results to promote this sort of garbage.

Your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Link: www.manchester.ac.uk...]

229 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:25:32pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Lucky you!
I had to rent a car dolly and drive 165 mile to retrieve my honey
and the D^&^overheating car!
4x4 and 25 mph all the way there...14 car boo boo on the north bound I-15
(I was south bound). Missed three slide offs 1 or 2 cars ahead of me!
Started back north and sat in 7 miles of stop and go...(from the earlier 14 car Boo boo)!
Finally got to Beaver ,Utah and cashed it in .Got the last room in town.
or close to it!
This morning only saw four wrecks!
I've come to the conclusion...75% of drivers have no business behind the
wheel of a vehicle!
Home safe and sound!

230 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:26:23pm

re: #225 tradewind

Yeah, but mine are in my front yard!
:)

I live in a forrest so it takes my flowers a while to get going.

231 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:26:25pm

re: #216 Jetpilot1101
Except that it hasn't really been hijacked. Just some inappropriate call-button yanking here and there.

232 windsagio  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:26:56pm

OT, and not sure if its been posted before, but:

National Geographic sure knows freakin' awesome pictures!

233 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:27:15pm

re: #230 MandyManners
I was yanking the pockets.
I'm planting some lily of the valley this year and it needs shade.

234 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:27:44pm

re: #225 tradewind

Yeah, but mine are in my front yard!
:)

I hate the traffic copters even more... why do 4 or 5 of them have to gather around at 5:00 in the morning (and they are loud) every time there is a fender bender on the BQE?

235 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:27:46pm

re: #212 Thanos

Part of the Arlington Group as well..

[Link: www.scottblochtrust.org...]

Interesting. I hadn't heard of them before.

236 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:28:09pm

re: #230 MandyManners

I live in a forrest so it takes my flowers a while to get going.

With Unicorns no doubt!

237 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:28:23pm

re: #199 Jimmah

This is NOT an Onion story :

It continues, and gets even funnier, here:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Holy shit.

238 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:28:33pm

re: #234 brookly red
They're all just hopin' for the next white bronco.

239 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:29:39pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I hadn't heard of them before.

Kind of the ultimate "who's who" if you look at the signatories and what they are about.

240 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:29:52pm

re: #238 tradewind

They're all just hopin' for the next white bronco.

/that is what they want you to think... but they are really looking for your salt!

241 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:30:03pm

re: #220 windsagio

Thump, thump, thump, sorry no crack heads here. That awful drug made a bad situation even more bleak.

242 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:30:07pm

re: #238 tradewind

They're all just hopin' for the next white bronco.

It's that old news adage at work: "If it bleeds, it leads".

243 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:30:38pm

re: #229 reloadingisnotahobby

Lucky you!
I had to rent a car dolly and drive 165 mile to retrieve my honey
and the D^&^overheating car!
4x4 and 25 mph all the way there...14 car boo boo on the north bound I-15
(I was south bound). Missed three slide offs 1 or 2 cars ahead of me!
Started back north and sat in 7 miles of stop and go...(from the earlier 14 car Boo boo)!
Finally got to Beaver ,Utah and cashed it in .Got the last room in town.
or close to it!
This morning only saw four wrecks!
I've come to the conclusion...75% of drivers have no business behind the
wheel of a vehicle!
Home safe and sound!

So... I suspect you got that snow you mentioned yesterday... we did. Still coming down, but we are right on the edge of this, south of I70. Down hill and north of I70, just a dusting.

244 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:30:41pm

Just the other day we were discussing about how cheap special effects could mean a revival in Sci-fi from independent film makers. Here a short film called Connected

I suggest following their recommendation to watch in full screen. Good effort.

245 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:30:52pm

re: #237 Alouette
I don't doubt that the devil tries to hang out around the holiest sites in the land.
But I have to confess a problem with that vomiting shards of glass and wrought iron thing...

246 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:31:31pm

re: #215 tradewind

'Family values ' is a phrase that I'd just as soon see relegated to the ash heap of political and news blog history.
I have my own, don't need/want them sprinkled amongst the news, and besides... the phrase has been co-opted by people who don't tend to have any and turned into a pet pejorative.

The trouble with running on "Family Values" platform is that it can implode spectacularly on you. I don't really have a problem with what happened in the UK (apart from the hypocrisy), but the New Zealand case made me spit.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

[Link: www.safe-nz.org.nz...]

247 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:32:09pm

re: #239 Thanos

Kind of the ultimate "who's who" if you look at the signatories and what they are about.

Yeah, Dobson always raises my interest.

248 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:32:38pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout
That damn James Cameron, anyway. 3 D gives me a freaking headache, and now everyone is going to try it?

249 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:33:38pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

Yup,That's what the weather service said would happen!!
Wish they'd stop sayin that!
...We had five while we we're gone...

250 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:33:47pm

re: #246 Kruk
Personal Morality in UK politics?
Oxymoron of the day.

251 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:33:51pm

re: #245 tradewind

I don't doubt that the devil tries to hang out around the holiest sites in the land.
But I have to confess a problem with that vomiting shards of glass and wrought iron thing...

/hey the economy effects everyone... my guess is he had to cut staff & concentrate on ROI...

252 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:34:05pm

re: #248 tradewind

That damn James Cameron, anyway. 3 D gives me a freaking headache, and now everyone is going to try it?

I don't get the appeal. A crappy and dull storyline in 3d just doesn't interest me. The few clips I saw of Avatar looked like shit.

253 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:34:33pm

re: #250 tradewind

Personal Morality in UK any politics?
Oxymoron of the day.

FTFY

254 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #212 Thanos

Part of the Arlington Group as well..

[Link: www.scottblochtrust.org...]

I love when I see Ted Haggard's signature to these things.

255 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:35:23pm

re: #237 Alouette

Holy shit.

You know... certain little thinks like this Vatican exorcist makes me wish for the turing over of a generation... quickly... shake out this medieval shit.

Come on folks... it's time to start taking responsibility for your actions, we've thrown off the era of succubi and succubus, trolls and fairies and the 'devil made me do it.'

257 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:37:16pm

re: #250 tradewind

Personal Morality in UK politics?
Oxymoron of the day.

Is "chav" a polite word to use in present company?

258 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:37:20pm

re: #199 Jimmah

This is NOT an Onion story :

It continues, and gets even funnier, here:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]


Thankfully, this one *is* from the Onion. You have to ask though, is blaming the Devil just as much an avoidance of responsibility?

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

259 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:37:31pm

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

You know... certain little thinks like this Vatican exorcist makes me wish for the turing over of a generation... quickly... shake out this medieval shit.

Come on folks... it's time to start taking responsibility for your actions, we've thrown off the era of succubi and succubus, trolls and fairies and the 'devil made me do it.'

SST&F... should be a killa IPO...

260 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:37:45pm

File this one under "probably important":

Social Security to start cashing Uncle Sam's IOUs

For more than two decades, Social Security collected more money in payroll taxes than it paid out in benefits - billions more each year.

Not anymore. This year, for the first time since the 1980s, when Congress last overhauled Social Security, the retirement program is projected to pay out more in benefits than it collects in taxes - nearly $29 billion more.

261 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:37:55pm

re: #258 Kruk

Thankfully, this one *is* from the Onion. You have to ask though, is blaming the Devil just as much an avoidance of responsibility?

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

Considering that the devil doesn't exist, yes.

262 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:38:08pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout
So I'm not the only one who doesn't want to move to Pandora. Such a relief.

263 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:38:15pm

re: #228 ryannon

Your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Link: www.manchester.ac.uk...]

Thanks. I'll put that in my file of textual accounts of fairy encounters, unicorn sightings etc.

264 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:39:04pm

re: #261 Varek Raith
Better put the obligatory IMO next to that one.
IMO.

265 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:39:26pm

re: #264 tradewind

Better put the obligatory IMO next to that one.
IMO.

Why?

266 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:39:31pm

re: #263 Jimmah
Bet it's a fat one.///

267 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:39:39pm

re: #257 The Sanity Inspector

Is "chav" a polite word to use in present company?

Not unless you're using it to describe someone that really deserves it

/"chav" = no class punk, roughly analogous to "white trash" or the like

268 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:39:58pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Considering that the devil doesn't exist, yes.

/I see you have never been on a blind date...

269 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:40:01pm

re: #265 Varek Raith
Because there are millions of people who don't share that view.

270 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:41:08pm

re: #248 tradewind

I saw Alice yesterday in 3D and it did not bother me. 3D had given me a headache several years ago.
Nice costumes and sets, stultifying script.

271 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:43:15pm

re: #269 tradewind

Because there are millions of people who don't share that view.

First, you'd have to prove to me that the devil does indeed exist.
Second, I see no "IMO" when religious stuff is uttered here.
Third, I'm a jerk.
;)

272 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:43:59pm

BTW, you might think the movie I linked to on #244 is a little thin on plot but it's a actually a very interesting story. It's a variation of this (don't click if you haven't watched. might be a spoiler)

273 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:44:00pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

First, you'd have to prove to me that the devil does indeed exist.
Second, I see no "IMO" when religious stuff is uttered here.
Third, I'm a jerk.
;)


Agreed with all but #3. But I don't know you that well.

274 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:44:57pm

re: #268 brookly red

/I see you have never been on a blind date...

Every guy wants a date who's an angel in public, and a demon in the bedroom.

/

275 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:45:31pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

First, you'd have to prove to me that the devil does indeed exist.
Second, I see no "IMO" when religious stuff is uttered here.
Third, I'm a jerk.
;)

The devil and god. Neither exists without the other.

276 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:46:04pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

First, you'd have to prove to me that the devil does indeed exist.
Second, I see no "IMO" when religious stuff is uttered here.
Third, I'm a jerk.
;)

/you want proof of a devil... OK, Windows Vista!

277 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:46:34pm

re: #271 Varek Raith
The only thing I can add to that one is that faith is by definition a matter of opinion, since it is the belief in that which cannot be seen or proved in this world. So the IMO is implicit.
You really don't seem all that jerk-ish to me, btw.
IMO.

278 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:46:46pm

re: #275 darthstar

The devil and god. Neither exists without the other.

Heh. I've seen surveys where more people believed in the existence of the devil than that of god, or vice versa. I never got that.

279 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:47:25pm

re: #276 brookly red

/you want proof of a devil... OK, Windows Vista!

The devil is the (installation) details...

280 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:47:34pm

re: #233 tradewind

I was yanking the pockets.
I'm planting some lily of the valley this year and it needs shade.

In bed?

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:47:38pm

re: #258 Kruk

Thankfully, this one *is* from the Onion. You have to ask though, is blaming the Devil just as much an avoidance of responsibility?

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

To quote a former boss of mine, speaking to his son, "Kevin, 'the devil made me do it' is not an acceptable defense in this family."

282 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:48:07pm

The devil's boots don't creak.
-- Scottish proverb

Give the devil his due, but be very careful that there ain't much due him.
-- Josh Billings

When the Devil quotes Scriptures, it's not, really, to deceive, but simply that the masses are so ignorant of theology that somebody has to teach them the elementary texts before he can seduce them.
--Paul Goodman, 1966

It is so stupid of the twentieth century to have abandoned belief in the devil when he is the only explanation for it.
--Msgr. Ronald Knox

283 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:48:35pm

re: #236 reloadingisnotahobby

With Unicorns no doubt!

They're farts plant the seeds for my garden.

284 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:49:12pm

re: #278 Kruk

Heh. I've seen surveys where more people believed in the existence of the devil than that of god, or vice versa. I never got that.

Well, you know...

285 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:49:52pm

re: #280 MandyManners
Not yet.
(Going to google the sekrit blog definition of that now).
Damn, I'm glad winter is almost ovah.

286 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:49:56pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

To quote a former boss of mine, speaking to his son, "Kevin, 'the devil made me do it' is not an acceptable defense in this family."

And interesting Rabbinical take on the subject... (shameless self promotion - from one of my plays)...

"The question of good and evil is not unrelated. I cannot see God, but I know he is still in residence because his servant is busy in the house. Satan is his first and foremost angel, he is the necessary friction that enables the universe to move."

287 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:50:36pm

Of course I believe in the devil. If I did not, I should have to believe that I am the devil myself.
--G. K. Chesterton

The devil gave me a look which made me profoundly uneasy. 'Just because I am enjoying your sympathy, don't imagine that I cannot read you like a book,' he said. 'You think you are cleverer than I; it is a very common academic delusion.'
--Robertson Davies, "When Satan Goes Home For Christmas"

288 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:50:40pm

re: #274 Kruk

Every guy wants a date who's an angel in public, and a demon in the bedroom.

/

Yeah, that whore-goddess complex has done a lot for society.

289 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:51:46pm

re: #285 tradewind

Not yet.
(Going to google the sekrit blog definition of that now).
Damn, I'm glad winter is almost ovah.

JamesTKirk started it this winter.

290 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:52:02pm

re: #288 MandyManners
Just proves the superiority of women... you never hear about how we demand schizoid qualities in our men.///

291 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:52:30pm

re: #289 MandyManners
That says it all.

292 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:52:33pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Yeah, that whore-goddess complex has done a lot for society.

Juicy

293 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:52:42pm

Ooh, there's also a very cool behind the scenes section showing how they did it. Pretty impressive.

294 Van Helsing  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:53:06pm

WRT housing in Jerusalem, whatever happened to this? Obama says Jerusalem capitol of Israel

295 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:53:42pm

re: #290 tradewind

Just proves the superiority of women... you never hear about how we demand schizoid qualities in our men.///

/OH, now you want qualities huh? :)

296 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:54:04pm

re: #294 Van Helsing

WRT housing in Jerusalem, whatever happened to this? Obama says Jerusalem capitol of Israel

That was just campaigning.

297 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:54:18pm

re: #294 Van Helsing
I thought that was one of his Kerryesque moments where he took it back the next day or so...

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:54:45pm

re: #294 Van Helsing

WRT housing in Jerusalem, whatever happened to this? Obama says Jerusalem capitol of Israel

That was back in 2008, no?

299 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:54:52pm

re: #294 Van Helsing

WRT housing in Jerusalem, whatever happened to this? Obama says Jerusalem capitol of Israel

Republicans: "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway."
Democrats: "Fuck the Jews, they'll vote for us anyway."

300 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:55:04pm

re: #290 tradewind

Just proves the superiority of women... you never hear about how we demand schizoid qualities in our men.///

Quantity has a quality of its own- Joseph Stalin. :)

301 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:55:17pm

re: #290 tradewind

Just proves the superiority of women... you never hear about how we demand schizoid qualities in our men.///

Well, I'm just gonna' ignore the potential comments.

302 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:56:12pm

re: #299 Alouette
Sad but true.
Except down here. My state has a great Jewish Republican voter base. Not a widespread phenom, evidently.

303 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:56:42pm

re: #292 darthstar

Juicy

[Video]

That song's been in my head ever since Kruk's No. 274.

304 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:57:01pm

re: #301 MandyManners
Yeah, I thought about that the second after I hit post.
Screw 'em if they can't take a joke.

305 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:57:03pm

re: #300 Kruk

Quantity has a quality of its own- Joseph Stalin. :)

uhmmm, well sorta, kinda...

306 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:57:09pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

To quote a former boss of mine, speaking to his son, "Kevin, 'the devil made me do it' is not an acceptable defense in this family."

Heh. I so want to see Bart writing that on the blackboard.

307 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #296 Alouette

That was just campaigning.

And, now, he's showing his true colors.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:58:03pm

re: #307 MandyManners

And, now, he's showing his true colors.

Those being what?

309 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:58:04pm

Ahern proposes Autumn referendum on blasphemy

By Atheist Ireland %P% Published: March 14, 2010

Atheist Ireland welcomes the statement from Dermot Ahern, the Irish Justice Minister, that he is proposing a referendum this Autumn to remove the offence of blasphemy from the Irish Constitution, along with two other referendums that the government is already committed to.

The Minister has told the Sunday Times that “I was only doing my duty” in bringing in the new blasphemy law, and that “there was an incredibly sophisticated campaign [against me], mainly on the internet.”

Atheist Ireland thanks everyone who has helped to make the campaign against this new law as effective as it has been to date. It is now important we maintain the pressure on this issue to ensure that the referendum happens as proposed and, more importantly, that it is won.

We reiterate our position that this law is both silly and dangerous: silly because it is introducing medieval canon law offence into a modern plularist republic; and dangerous because it incentives religious outrage and because its wording has already been adopted by Islamic States as part of their campaign to make blasphemy a crime internationally.

[Link: www.atheist.ie...]

310 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:58:36pm

re: #299 Alouette

Republicans: "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway."
Democrats: "Fuck the Jews, they'll vote for us anyway."

"Professor Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University, said the “Americans decided to make a crisis” over the proposed construction in Ramat Shlomo, “probably in order to extract more concessions from Israel.”...

Netanyahu Offers an Apology, but No Shift in Settlement Policy
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

He's got that one right.

311 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:59:32pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

Those being what?

Those strange lights above his head!

[Link: beta.thehindu.com...]

312 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:59:44pm

re: #307 MandyManners
I can't wait to see how hard he fights for the hc thing this week.
Or if. Because so far, seems like he sees it as women's work.

313 Van Helsing  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:00:06pm

re: #297 tradewind

I thought that was one of his Kerryesque moments where he took it back the next day or so...

I read the tiny retraction (sort of) of that.
The staff spin was "Of course that will have to be worked out by the Jews and Palestinians."

I guess I'm still stunned by the brashness of Obama's campaign/presidency "change".

Change you can believe in - you can look it up on the internet.

314 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:00:17pm

re: #309 Jimmah
Always a pleasure to hear from Atheist Ireland.//

315 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:00:47pm

Sorry about that, still cranky...

316 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:00:57pm

re: #313 Van Helsing
I guess the One we were waiting for wasn't us after all.

317 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:01:24pm

re: #312 tradewind

I can't wait to see how hard he fights for the hc thing this week.
Or if. Because so far, seems like he sees it as women's work.

Oh good one!

WTF?

318 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:02:08pm
319 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:02:13pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

BTW, you might think the movie I linked to on #244 is a little thin on plot but it's a actually a very interesting story. It's a variation of this (don't click if you haven't watched. might be a spoiler)

There is also some interesting theory around that and "tit for tat" iterations ... what's interesting is that you see less "defect" behavior and more "cooperative" behavior where you would least expect it... in business.

320 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:02:32pm

re: #307 MandyManners

And, now, he's showing his true colors.

Obama’s Appalling Double Standards

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

321 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:02:59pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea
Seems as if he's thrown the whole thing in Nurse Nancy's lap.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:03:30pm

re: #321 tradewind

Seems as if he's thrown the whole thing in Nurse Nancy's lap.

That would be the Speaker of the House we're referring to?

323 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:03:54pm

re: #148 Alouette

She is utterly gorgeous, but she's not into math and physics (but oldest daughter reads quantum theory for fun, but she's already married with 7 kids). But she does work at a high-end electronics company and has access to all kinds of high-tech goodies.

Well as to my DNA, I will say this much over the web... If I were not a 100% "kosher" product, buy did I have a number done on me when I was eight days old :)

Seriously, I have some ancestry that goes back to the Maharal.

324 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:04:00pm

re: #321 tradewind

you mean letting her do her job.

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:04:24pm

re: #320 MJ

Obama’s Appalling Double Standards

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

I am still waiting for someone to convince me that this administration is really breaking in some significant way from previous U.S. policy. This isn't to say that I'm pleased with everything being said and done, but I don't see as we're really going anywhere...new.

326 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:04:42pm

re: #320 MJ

Gibbs was on Fox this morning and Axelrod was on MTP. How much longer are they gonna' pound this issue?

327 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:04:46pm

re: #318 MandyManners
Since I've only had one day a week for a couple, has there been any talk about Eric Holder's stable of al Quaeda attorneys at Justice, or was that a nothin'?

328 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:04:55pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Yeah, that whore-goddess complex has done a lot for society.

'Become a woman,' in our culture, does not mean: show us you can weave, as it did in Melanesia, or even show us you can embroider samplers, direct the servants, and play a harpsichord, as it did in 'refined' society in the nineteenth century in the West. No, in our culture, the cliche exclamation to an adolescent girl--'My, how you've grown'--has no cultural echoes whatsoever. The reference is purely physical. In our world, 'Demonstrate that you are a woman' means simply 'Take off your clothes.'
-- Naomi Wolf, Promiscuities, 1997

329 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:04:57pm

re: #321 tradewind

Seems as if he's thrown the whole thing in Nurse Nancy's lap.

You want someone to IMO religious beliefs, then you drop sexist statements?

330 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:05:24pm

re: #314 tradewind

Always a pleasure to hear from Atheist Ireland.//

Aren't you on their side in this one?

331 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:05:47pm

re: #327 tradewind

is that you, liz?

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:06:17pm

re: #327 tradewind

Since I've only had one day a week for a couple, has there been any talk about Eric Holder's stable of al Quaeda attorneys at Justice, or was that a nothin'?

Well, I'd say it was nothing.

333 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:06:19pm

A pebble has turned into an avalanche:

Child abuse claims sweep Catholic Church in Europe

It often starts as a voice in the wilderness, but can swell into an entire nation's demand for truth. From Ireland to Germany, Europe's many victims of child abuse in the Roman Catholic church are finally breaking social taboos and confronting the clergy to face its demons.

[...]

In recent weeks, new German abuse claims have surfaced on a near-daily basis and spread to Pope Benedict's Bavarian heartland and the Regensberg boys' choir long directed by the pope's brother. Benedict was Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger of Munich from 1977 to 1982, and questions now focus on what role, if any, the pontiff, played in handing pedophile priests to new parishes rather than to the law.

A Swiss abbot said in an interview published Saturday that 60 people have reported being victims of abuse by Catholic priests in Switzerland.

[...]

I'm starting to wonder if this will turn into a really serious scandal for Benedict.

334 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:07:53pm

re: #327 tradewind

Since I've only had one day a week for a couple, has there been any talk about Eric Holder's stable of al Quaeda attorneys at Justice, or was that a nothin'?

Ah, yes, that tiresome attack line that even Kenn Starr wouldn't swallow.

335 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:07:55pm

re: #326 MandyManners

Gibbs was on Fox this morning and Axelrod was on MTP. How much longer are they gonna' pound this issue?

I think Jennifer Rubin said it well:

"...the administration quite candidly announced its intention to “put daylight” between Israel and the U.S. This was under the guise of gaining credibility as an impartial arbitrator, an honest broker, as they say. That, in and of itself, is problematic, given the U.S. historic relationship with the Jewish state. But frankly, even moral equivalence would be an improvement over what we have now. The Obama policy seems to see the U.S. not as an honest broker but an advocate for the Palestinians — taking up their rhetoric, their fractured view of history, and their excuses for failing to recognize the Jewish state..."

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

336 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:08:24pm

re: #319 Thanos

There is also some interesting theory around that and "tit for tat" iterations ... what's interesting is that you see less "defect" behavior and more "cooperative" behavior where you would least expect it... in business.

In my business things are a little different. Violin dealers are horrible dishonest people. I have a policy that I usually just don't do business with anyone who i feel took advantage of me.

337 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:08:46pm

re: #333 freetoken

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

...The archdiocese said that a priest accused of molesting boys was given therapy in 1980 and later allowed to resume pastoral duties, before committing further abuses and being prosecuted. Pope Benedict, who at the time headed the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising, approved the priest’s transfer for therapy. A subordinate took full responsibility for allowing the priest to later resume pastoral work, the archdiocese said in a statement.

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said he had no comment beyond the statement by the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising, which he said showed the “nonresponsibility” of the pope in the matter. ...

338 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:09:07pm

For the Colorado Lizards in the mountains just west of Denver...

Watches & Warnings / Advisories: Winter Storm Warning is now in effect for the Front Range Mountains and Foothills for JeffCO, Clear Creek and Gilpin Counties aboce 6000 feet until 6 am Monday. Accumulation/wind...snow accumulations will range from 6 to 12 inches...heaviest along east facing slopes. East winds of 15 to 25 mph will create some blowing snow over the passes.

339 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #324 zora
Yes. Lucky for Nance she doesn't have to worry about losing her seat, snuggled as it is at ground zero of PETA and Code Pink, with some NAMBLA and New Panthers thrown in for balance.
Many Democratic reps are having a little more trouble 'splaining back home.

341 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:09:42pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

I am still waiting for someone to convince me that this administration is really breaking in some significant way from previous U.S. policy. This isn't to say that I'm pleased with everything being said and done, but I don't see as we're really going anywhere...new.

It is not breaking from previous policy in a double standard more egregious then any of the other times the US has let Israel down because of the pressing oil induced need to kiss Arab ass.

It is a bit more infuriating here since the deal for East Jerusalem being out of the settlement debate was reached with Israel under the Clinton administration and Hilary who is now pretending outrage, certainly was a force ni that original deal.

Bibi, made a statement that was a bit heavy handed for sure but the statement was to see if the US actually cared about maintaining the deal, or if like so many other things went down the memory hole.

However this is not unique to Obama.

Anyone who doubts just how much the Saudis were a fixture of the last regime is fooling themselves.

342 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:02pm

re: #327 tradewind

Since I've only had one day a week for a couple, has there been any talk about Eric Holder's stable of al Quaeda attorneys at Justice, or was that a nothin'?

It's something for sure.

343 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:38pm

re: #339 tradewind

Yes. Lucky for Nance she doesn't have to worry about losing her seat, snuggled as it is at ground zero of PETA and Code Pink, with some NAMBLA and New Panthers thrown in for balance.
Many Democratic reps are having a little more trouble 'splaining back home.

You are just baiting. Bad day eh?

NAMBLA?

344 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:42pm

re: #328 The Sanity Inspector

What does it mean to become a man in this society?

345 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:46pm

re: #333 freetoken

This is bigger than any pope. Much bigger.

346 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:51pm

re: #309 Jimmah

Ahern proposes Autumn referendum on blasphemy

[Link: www.atheist.ie...]

We reiterate our position that this law is both silly and dangerous: silly because it is introducing medieval canon law offence into a modern plularist republic; and dangerous because it incentives religious outrage and because its wording has already been adopted by Islamic States as part of their campaign to make blasphemy a crime internationally.

Nice to see that misguided multiculturalism hasn't yet turned into a suicide pact in those parts.

347 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:52pm

re: #337 zora

As the number of allegations balloon, and as they are investigated, no doubt there will be calls for action on the part of the Vatican.

If it can be shown that Benedict was negligent in the past, and thus is POTP, will people be calling for his head?

348 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:10:59pm

re: #329 Stanley Sea
I IMO'd my own religious beliefs.
And since I'm a woman, I can't be sexist. You know, kind of like how only European males can be racist. Got to have the powah to be prejudiced.//

349 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:11:41pm

re: #321 tradewind

Seems as if he's thrown the whole thing in Nurse Nancy's Ratched's lap.

FTFY ;-P

350 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:12:03pm

re: #344 MandyManners

What does it mean to become a man in this society?

/you pay taxes?

351 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:12:06pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

I love when I see Ted Haggard's signature to these things.

Yeah, that's the whole kit and kaboodle including the four horsemen of the Christpocalypse.
Weyrich, Dobson, Falwell, Perkins

There's an interesting new book on the subject of the religious right here that I'm thinking of picking up

[Link: www.godandculture.com...]

352 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:12:15pm

re: #335 MJ

Did you see my link about the PA celebration this week to honor a splodey-dope who committed the worst act of terrorism in Israeli history?

353 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:12:28pm

re: #343 Stanley Sea
Not baiting. You trolling?

354 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:13:34pm

re: #347 freetoken

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Vatican hit by gay sex scandal

Vatican chorister sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for papal gentleman-in-waiting

The Vatican was today rocked by a sex scandal reaching into Pope Benedict's household after a chorister was sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting.

Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, was caught by police on a wiretap allegedly negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Vatican chorister, over the specific physical details of men he wanted brought to him. Transcripts in the possession of the Guardian suggest that numerous men may have been procured for Balducci, at least one of whom was studying for the priesthood.

and this doesn't help

355 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:13:56pm

Here's more on Epperson's empire at Mother Jones

[Link: motherjones.com...]

356 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:13:57pm

re: #349 talon_262
It IS the inmates running the asylum, for sure.
A real cuckoo's nest, Congress.

357 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:14:00pm

re: #346 The Sanity Inspector

Nice to see that misguided multiculturalism hasn't yet turned into a suicide pact in those parts.

Some people seem to think that the big issue highlighted here is "Eeww! Atheists!"

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:14:05pm

re: #353 tradewind

Not baiting. You trolling?

You seriously decide to characterize Pelosi's seat as being upheld by PETA, Code Pink, NAMBLA and the Panthers, and say you're not baiting?

Pull the other one.

359 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:14:39pm

re: #354 zora

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Vatican hit by gay sex scandal

Vatican chorister sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for papal gentleman-in-waiting

The Vatican was today rocked by a sex scandal reaching into Pope Benedict's household after a chorister was sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting.

Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, was caught by police on a wiretap allegedly negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Vatican chorister, over the specific physical details of men he wanted brought to him. Transcripts in the possession of the Guardian suggest that numerous men may have been procured for Balducci, at least one of whom was studying for the priesthood.

and this doesn't help

Oh for God's sake, what do they think this is? The freaking seventeenth century or something?

360 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:15:07pm

re: #357 Jimmah

Some people seem to think that the big issue highlighted here is "Eeww! Atheists!"

OOGA BOOGA!

361 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:15:09pm

re: #352 MandyManners
They're probably sharing a slot with the Glorious Nineteen.
Allahbunchahooey, ach, barf.

362 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:16:15pm

re: #352 MandyManners

Dozens of Palestinian students from the youth division of Fatah, the mainstream party led by President Mahmoud Abbas, gathered here on Thursday to dedicate a public square to the memory of a woman who in 1978 helped carry out the deadliest terrorist attack in Israel’s history.

Though one senior Fatah leader and a Palestinian Authority security official joined the gathering in this town abutting Ramallah, the administrative center of the authority, the relatively low key nature of the event, timed to the 32d anniversary of the attack, was a kind of compromise. An official ceremony was put off by the Palestinian Authority as a result of Israeli protests and to avoid an unnecessary embarrassment during a visit to the region by the American vice president, Joseph R. Biden Jr., who came partly to promote new Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

The woman being honored, Dalal Mughrabi, was the 19-year-old leader of a Palestinian squad that sailed from Lebanon and landed on a beach between Haifa and Tel Aviv. They killed an American photojournalist, hijacked a bus and commandeered another, embarking on a bloody rampage that left 38 Israeli civilians dead, 13 of them children, according to official Israeli figures. Ms. Mughrabi and several other attackers were killed.

SNIP

363 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:16:23pm

re: #354 zora

One wonders which straw it will be that will break the camel's back?

364 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:16:44pm

re: #360 Varek Raith

OOGA BOOGA!

Oh, come now. Soon the rapture will come, and the true believers can be free of the scary people.

365 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:17:07pm

re: #363 freetoken

This one maybe...?

366 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:17:28pm

This should help Glenn Beck's pocket book:

Socialists Lead in Early Voting in France

The governing party of President Nicolas Sarkozy appeared to be beaten by the opposition Socialists on Sunday in a first round of regional elections marked by a record abstention, according to partial official results released Sunday night.

367 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:18:15pm

re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist
I take it back. She's a token liberal representing a hotbed of conservative citizens who just like to look at her couture.

368 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:18:57pm

In the event of Rapture, I'm taking your car. And house. And all your worldly possessions. Mmmkay?
;)

369 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:19:45pm

re: #364 Kruk

Oh, come now. Soon the rapture will come, and the true believers can be free of the scary people.

Free of the scary people. What do you mean by that. According to the greek scriptures, no one is going anywhere.

370 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

In the event of Rapture, I'm taking your car. And house. And all your worldly possessions. Mmmkay?
;)

I'm a heathen and proud of it. I'll be partying with the rest of the sinners. :)

371 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:20:00pm

re: #366 freetoken

This should help Glenn Beck's pocket book:

Socialists Lead in Early Voting in France

I'm not sure what Beck's going to do with that. He calls Sarkozy a socialist so how can he be beat my socialists?

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:20:09pm

re: #367 tradewind

I take it back. She's a token liberal representing a hotbed of conservative citizens who just like to look at her couture.

No, she represents a solidly Democratic town.

Characterizing those people as members of NAMBLA is openly contemptuous baiting.

373 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:20:39pm

re: #362 MandyManners

some people get it, & some don't want to.

374 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:21:02pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

No, she represents a solidly Democratic town.

Characterizing those people as members of NAMBLA is openly contemptuous baiting.
IMO

FTFY.
/

375 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:21:59pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

In the event of Rapture, I'm taking your car. And house. And all your worldly possessions. Mmmkay?
;)

Not to worry bro..The visions of Rapture was written by men that hadn't invented Toilet paper yet.. Think I'll stick around and live in the modern world.

376 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:22:26pm

re: #367 tradewind

I take it back. She's a token liberal representing a hotbed of conservative citizens who just like to look at her couture.

Could you imagine? A congressional district voting for a candidate of their choice and practicing democracy?

377 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:22:39pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

In the event of Rapture, I'm taking your car. And house. And all your worldly possessions. Mmmkay?
;)

What rapture... where does it say anyone is going anywhere?

378 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:22:45pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist
And taking my post seriously to mean that I believe every one in her district is a member of NAMBLA or Code Pink is...
I give up. Seriously.

379 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:22:59pm

re: #375 HoosierHoops

Not to worry bro..The visions of Rapture was written by men that hadn't invented Toilet paper yet.. Think I'll stick around and live in the modern world.

Man, you and Walter sure take the fun outta things!!11!!
///

380 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:23:49pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure what Beck's going to do with that. He calls Sarkozy a socialist so how can he be beat my socialists?

Heh. Every politician in Europe is a socialist by American standards (universal healthcare, welfare, social policies) but some are more socialist than others.

381 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:23:54pm

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

What rapture... where does it say anyone is going anywhere?

I am wholly ignorant on religion in general. I'm using Rapture the way I see some use it.

382 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:24:07pm

re: #378 tradewind

Indicating that NAMBLA is somehow associated with Democrats is asinine, dude.

383 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:24:10pm

re: #376 Gus 802
Of course I can. Which was the point, that Pelosi has little to lose in support of Obama's HC, unlike many of her fellow reps.
Nothing more. She has every right to represent her peeps.

384 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:24:16pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure what Beck's going to do with that. He calls Sarkozy a socialist so how can he be beat my socialists?

Well, there are the socialist-commies and socialist-nazis. One is beating the other, or something like that...

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:24:27pm

re: #378 tradewind

And taking my post seriously to mean that I believe every one in her district is a member of NAMBLA or Code Pink is...
I give up. Seriously.

Yeah, me too. I'm sure you'd be really tolerant if I referred to a conservative politician's distict as the 'home base of the Klan', and then acted as though I just mean to say he wasn't a liberal.

386 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:24:29pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure what Beck's going to do with that. He calls Sarkozy a socialist so how can he be beat my socialists?

My guess is he'll call them 'ultra-socialists' or something like that.

387 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:25:07pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

it's from a fictional book. left behind.

388 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:25:44pm

re: #379 Varek Raith

Man, you and Walter sure take the fun outta things!!11!!
///

Walter and I agreed on something? Well I'll be a son of a bitch.. I love that guy

389 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:25:45pm

re: #386 Jimmah

My guess is he'll call them 'ultra-socialists' or something like that.

No. He'll use "über socialist", now with Nazi zing!

390 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26:15pm

Back to the subject of the more "entertaining" Haredi sects... The sages of Israel, as you might suspect said it all perfectly well some time ago.

Ch 3.

17. Rabbi Eliezer the son of Azariah would say: If there is no Torah, there is no common decency; if there is no common decency, there is no Torah. If there is no wisdom, there is no fear of G-d; if there is no fear of G-d, there is no wisdom. If there is no applied knowledge, there is no analytical knowledge; if there is no analytical knowledge, there is no applied knowledge. If there is no flour, there is no Torah; if there is no Torah, there is no flour.

He would also say: One whose wisdom is greater than his deeds, what is he comparable to? To a tree with many branches and few roots; comes a storm and uproots it, and turns it on its face. As is stated, "He shall be as a lone tree in a wasteland, and shall not see when good comes; he shall dwell parched in the desert, a salt land, uninhabited" (Jeremiah 17:6). But one whose deeds are greater than his wisdom, to what is he compared? To a tree with many roots and few branches, whom all the storms in the world cannot budge from its place. As is stated: "He shall be as a tree planted upon water, who spreads his roots by the river; who fears not when comes heat, whose leaf is ever lush; who worries not in a year of drought, and ceases not to yield fruit" (ibid., v. 8).


Ch 4.

4. Rabbi Levitas of Yavneh would say: Be very, very humble, for the hope of mortal man is worms.

Rabbi Yochanan the son of Berokah would say: Whoever desecrates the Divine Name covertly, is punished in public. Regarding the desecration of the Name, the malicious and the merely negligent are one and the same.

5. Rabbi Ishmael the son of Rabbi Yossei would say: One who learns Torah in order to teach, is given the opportunity to learn and teach. One who learns in order to do, is given the opportunity to learn, teach, observe and do.

Rabbi Tzaddok would say: Do not separate yourself from the community. Do not act as a counselor-at-law (when serving as a judge). Do not make the Torah a crown to magnify yourself with, or a spade with which to dig. So would Hillel say: one who make personal use of the crown of Torah shall perish. Hence, one who benefits himself from the words of Torah, removes his life from the world.

Ch 5

7. There are seven things that characterize a boor, and seven that characterize a wise man. A wise man does not speak before one who is greater than him in wisdom or age. He does not interrupt his fellow's words. He does not hasten to answer. His questions are on the subject and his answers to the point. He responds to first things first and to latter things later. Concerning what he did not hear, he says "I did not hear." He concedes to the truth. With the boor, the reverse of all these is the case.

Ch6.

5. Do not seek greatness for yourself, and do not lust for honor. More than you study, do. Desire not the table of kings, for your table is greater than theirs, and your crown is greater than theirs, and faithful is your Employer to pay you the rewards of your work.

391 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26:38pm

re: #387 zora

it's from a fictional book. left behind.

Yeesh...Dumb Varek looks dumb.
:/

392 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26:41pm

re: #382 Obdicut
Almost as much so as drawing that conclusion.
Dude.
Seriously, I'm amazed that there's not a mass exodus every time an Onion post surfaces.

393 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26:46pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

I am wholly ignorant on religion in general. I'm using Rapture the way I see some use it.

And most Christians don't even know what the Greek scripture actually say about the "end times?" The whole "rapture" meme is one of the most vague concepts in biblical theology, yet it amazes me that a whole "industry" has sprung up around something that barely has any basis in the text itself.

Talk about creating something out of almost nothing.

394 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:27:05pm

re: #386 Jimmah

My guess is he'll call them 'ultra-socialists' or something like that.

Maybe he'll start calling them Maoists of Stalinists. Or maybe his head will explode.

I'm hoping for the latter.

395 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:27:38pm

Wow, this is asinine:


Girls ordered to spend weekends with sex offender father

The father was convicted in 2007 of three child pornography offences, including filming images of child pornography on his computer. He also created links and shortcuts to child porn sites.

The Family Court found the father had invited one of the girls into his bed, and had "demonstrated affection toward her in a way that was, in all the circumstances, inappropriate for a child of that age".

The eldest girl told counsellors she "did not want to spend time alone with her father".

396 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:28:21pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

No, she represents a solidly Democratic town.

Characterizing those people as members of NAMBLA is openly contemptuous baiting.

And a pretty nasty, false and shitty smear.

397 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:28:39pm

re: #392 tradewind

now i see, you were using satire.
/

398 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:29:07pm

re: #392 tradewind

You're using the 'just satire' defense? Great.

It was a dumb thing to say, man. Code PINK are actually part of Democratic politics. So are PETA.

399 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:29:23pm

re: #373 brookly red

some people get it, & some don't want to.

Oh, many of the latter get it but they just cannot admit it.

400 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:29:42pm

re: #396 LudwigVanQuixote

And a pretty nasty, false and shitty smear.

Oh no. We just didn't get the humor.

401 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:29:54pm

re: #387 zora
Not so much.
Although the fictional book, Left Behind, uses that topic as its premise.
That's like explaining that a tornado is something from the book The Wizard of Oz.

402 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:29:54pm

This get mentioned yet? (sorry if it has)

Rove Falsely Claims Bush Administration Never Said Iraqi Oil Revenue Would Help Pay For War

Rove’s claim is simply not true. In fact, days after the U.S. invasion, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told a congressional panel that Iraqi oil revenues would help pay for reconstructing the country, i.e. a cost of the war. “The oil revenue of that country could bring between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next two or three years. We’re dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon,” he said.

One month before the war, then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Iraq “is a rather wealthy country. … And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction.”

Since the start of the Iraq war, the U.S. has spent tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction costs.

403 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:31:24pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

And most Christians don't even know what the Greek scripture actually say about the "end times?" The whole "rapture" meme is one of the most vague concepts in biblical theology, yet it amazes me that a whole "industry" has sprung up around something that barely has any basis in the text itself.

Talk about creating something out of almost nothing.

Thanks Walter.

404 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:31:49pm

re: #402 iceweasel

This get mentioned yet? (sorry if it has)

Rove Falsely Claims Bush Administration Never Said Iraqi Oil Revenue Would Help Pay For War

Rove lies so frequently and so blatantly that one wonders if he has any hold at all left on reality.

He is also the man I blame the most for the polarization of this nation to such a sickening extent.

405 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:31:50pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Oh, many of the latter get it but they just cannot admit it.

yes it is beyond my comprehension that the murders of children are not openly denounced... but it is what it is.

406 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:32:27pm

re: #402 iceweasel

It's pretty clear that Rove is a manipulator.

Just ask John McCain.

407 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:32:31pm

re: #401 tradewind

Not so much.
Although the fictional book, Left Behind, uses that topic as its premise.
That's like explaining that a tornado is something from the book The Wizard of Oz.

What topic? The Rapture. The roots of the concept of The Rapture in the Greek scriptures is as fictitious as the "Left Behind" series.

408 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:32:35pm

re: #394 Gus 802

Maybe he'll start calling them Maoists of Stalinists. Or maybe his head will explode.

I'm hoping for the latter.

I'd like to see his head pop and then deflate into a little wrinkled balloon :D

409 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:33:00pm

re: #405 brookly red

yes it is beyond my comprehension that the murders of children are not openly denounced... but it is what it is.

Yeah, Ploome Hineni had a hard time understanding the whole concept of murdering children.

410 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:33:00pm

re: #401 tradewind

even the writers say it's fiction. lots of christians take it almost as prophecy. it is not.

do you also believe that the bible says "god helps those that help themselves"?

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:33:27pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

What topic? The Rapture. The roots of the concept of The Rapture in the Greek scriptures is as fictitious as the "Left Behind" series.

Hardly matters. It's become real belief in many circles, even if it's theologically creaky as hell.

412 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:33:33pm

For your late Sunday afternoon viewing enjoyment, here is a series of videos from last week of Richard Dawkins on a TV show down under. Multi-part Youtube video:

413 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:33:54pm

Damn! One hell of a zing just flew over my head!

414 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:34:19pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

And most Christians don't even know what the Greek scripture actually say about the "end times?" The whole "rapture" meme is one of the most vague concepts in biblical theology, yet it amazes me that a whole "industry" has sprung up around something that barely has any basis in the text itself.

Talk about creating something out of almost nothing.

*cough* mmm.Wrong my friend...There is about a gazillion books written about the Rapture...Tied together with the 2nd coming there is lots interpretation of the Greek texts. For 2000 years Church theology has been about the return of Christ and the end of the world...
It's just the way it is my friend...Hope you are well tonight

415 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:35:02pm

re: #409 Gus 802

Yeah, Ploome Hineni had a hard time understanding the whole concept of murdering children.

I am sorry but I don't understand... I am not sure who PH is?

416 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:35:04pm

Good Evening LGF

417 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:35:22pm
418 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:35:46pm

re: #414 HoosierHoops

*cough* mmm.Wrong my friend...There is about a gazillion books written about the Rapture...Tied together with the 2nd coming there is lots interpretation of the Greek texts. For 2000 years Church theology has been about the return of Christ and the end of the world...
It's just the way it is my friend...Hope you are well tonight

As an impartial viewer of Christian theological debates, that whole book of Revelations seemed pretty clear on the topic...

419 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:35:54pm

re: #415 brookly red

I am sorry but I don't understand... I am not sure who PH is?

Oh, nothing. Inside comment so to speak. Don't really want to explain now.

420 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:36:06pm

re: #412 freetoken

For your late Sunday afternoon viewing enjoyment, here is a series of videos from last week of Richard Dawkins on a TV show down under. Multi-part Youtube video:


[Video]

Thanks! Bookmarked :)

421 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #414 HoosierHoops

*cough* mmm.Wrong my friend...There is about a gazillion books written about the Rapture...Tied together with the 2nd coming there is lots interpretation of the Greek texts. For 2000 years Church theology has been about the return of Christ and the end of the world...
It's just the way it is my friend...Hope you are well tonight

HH... you don't want to go around with me on this subject. Right from the git go you confuse the concept of Christ's return with the much later concept of the rapture. That concept, the Rapture, was not even fully realized until 1738.

You want to go over this?

422 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton
I'm not about to start with scripture on LGF.
But the ' caught up in the air' thing is not unique to Greek mythos. It's a New Testament thing.

423 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:36:40pm

re: #406 freetoken

It's pretty clear that Rove is a manipulator.

Just ask John McCain.

My wife describes John McCain as being too decent and innocent for presidential politics. I'm not sure if it was true in 2008, but I think she had it right about the 2000 election.

424 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:37:03pm

re: #419 Gus 802

Oh, nothing. Inside comment so to speak. Don't really want to explain now.

maybe another time?

425 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:37:13pm

re: #416 Spare O'Lake
hi sparrow.

426 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:37:31pm

re: #424 brookly red

maybe another time?

Yeah, I think so.

427 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:37:44pm

I think the perfect addition to a keyboard is a REMOTE button for the television.

428 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:37:47pm

re: #422 tradewind

I'm not about to start with scripture on LGF.
But the ' caught up in the air' thing is not unique to Greek mythos. It's a New Testament thing.

"Greek scriptures" is a scholastic term for the New Testament. You don't even know what I am talking about, do you?

429 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:38:01pm

re: #423 Kruk

My wife describes John McCain as being too decent and innocent for presidential politics. I'm not sure if it was true in 2008, but I think she had it right about the 2000 election.

I'd agree with that in re: 2000. He never saw the SC pushpoll coming.

But I think McCain learned all the wrong reasons from 2000, unfortunately.

430 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:38:27pm

re: #414 HoosierHoops

yes, i agree with the return of christ part. the rapture as depicted in the left behind series is fiction. i read the books. they were ok, but not necessary biblical.

431 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:38:36pm

re: #410 zora
No.
And discussing religion here is a loser.
IMO.
:)

432 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:39:45pm

re: #419 Gus 802

Oh, nothing. Inside comment so to speak. Don't really want to explain now.

Ploome Hineni. SPIT

433 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:40:32pm

re: #429 iceweasel

I'd agree with that in re: 2000. He never saw the SC pushpoll coming.

But I think McCain learned all the wrong reasons from 2000, unfortunately.

Poor McCain. The far right still hates him and the left still hates him. He's still a better choice for Arizona than Fred Flintstone JD Hayworth.

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:40:38pm

I love these coded conversations!

/

435 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:40:46pm

re: #432 Jimmah

Ploome Hineni. SPIT

Double spit.

436 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:43:06pm

re: #426 Gus 802

Yeah, I think so.

OK I was curious so I Goggled... sound like a real head case, but not sure how it relates to actual terrorist killing actually children?

438 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:43:34pm

re: #430 zora

yes, i agree with the return of christ part. the rapture as depicted in the left behind series is fiction. i read the books. they were ok, but not necessary biblical.

There's an excellent blog that's been deconstructing the Left Behind books page by page one day a week for over a year. The author is an evangelical and one of his themes is that the LaHaye/Jenkins version of evangelical christianity, and specifically their form of pre-millennial dispensationalist christianity, is codswallop.

Unfortunately there are millions of people who don't think that world view or biblical interpretation is fiction.

It's this guy, slacktivist. Highly recommend. I'm linking the Left Behind archive but the whole blog is great if people are interested.

439 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:43:47pm

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

I love these coded conversations!

/

это не ничто

440 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:43:50pm

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.. We're busy cleaning up after our brush with the Nor'easter where the winds topped 70 mph in places and rain fell an average of 3-4 inches (and some spots had more than 7 inches). Minor damage to the house and had lots of downed branches to attend to but that's nothing compared to the poor folks who were killed by falling trees, and the hundreds of thousands who lost power, saw trees whack cars, or take out entire homes or had their basements flooded out from all the rain.

We had the lights flickering pretty much most of yesterday and it killed our Internet service and fried our router. Oh well... like I said, it could have been a whole lot worse. We got lucky.

441 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:44:02pm

re: #418 LudwigVanQuixote

As an impartial viewer of Christian theological debates, that whole book of Revelations seemed pretty clear on the topic...

Yea..Anytime time the last book in the bible reads like the Terminator Part 3..
You are probably fucked
I'm telling you guys there is trouble on the horizon..
I look on the positive side at all times...
Some day our children will look back and just laugh at us.. The ignorance, Bigotry and lack of insight to the Human Spirit...Our souls that strive to succeed...
oh ye of little faith..
This isn't the end of Human history.. This is the beginning

442 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:44:11pm

re: #409 Gus 802

Yeah, Ploome Hineni had a hard time understanding the whole concept of murdering children.

Please explain what your comment has to do, if anything, with what you were replying to.

443 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:44:23pm

Watching news the other day and saw a hilarious peice on the new Coffe Party movement. Yep, you knew It was coming. What made it so funny, other than the lameness of it, was the disagreement between its members as to what it actually was. Interviewer asks the first lady and she says it's not an alternative to anything, it has its own agenda. Next lady, "It's an alternative to the Tea Party Movement." Could the stupid get worse? Ok, I can answer that myself, unfortunately.

444 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:46:03pm

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

HH... you don't want to go around with me on this subject. Right from the git go you confuse the concept of Christ's return with the much later concept of the rapture. That concept, the Rapture, was not even fully realized until 1738.

You want to go over this?

No..Cause I know you know your shit..I'm just chatting bro..

445 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:46:04pm

re: #439 Jimmah

это не ничто

I knew you was a commie - just look at that Ruskie writing you got there...

And you were talkin' the other day about perfecting yer American accent no that you are in NY!

I knew you were a commie infiltrator! We are on to you Jimski!

446 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:46:31pm

re: #441 HoosierHoops

Yea..Anytime time the last book in the bible reads like the Terminator Part 3..
You are probably fucked
I'm telling you guys there is trouble on the horizon..
I look on the positive side at all times...
Some day our children will look back and just laugh at us.. The ignorance, Bigotry and lack of insight to the Human Spirit...Our souls that strive to succeed...
oh ye of little faith..
This isn't the end of Human history.. This is the beginning

Yeah, cause Florida got into the tourney!!

(waiting very patiently for you instructions Hoops!)

447 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:48:07pm

re: #442 Spare O'Lake

Please explain what your comment has to do, if anything, with what you were replying to.

Ploome Hineni was a defender of Baruch Goldstein. He murdered 29 Palestinians at the Cave of the Patriarchs. Ploome apparently thought it was justified and didn't seem to even care about the children that were gunned down in this terrorist act. That led to Ploome getting blocked from LGF.

448 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:49:42pm

re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote

I knew you was a commie - just look at that Ruskie writing you got there...

And you were talkin' the other day about perfecting yer American accent no that you are in NY!

I knew you were a commie infiltrator! We are on to you Jimski!

;)

Рабочие мира объединяются!
(i can never get the random symbols out)

449 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:50:55pm

Travolta and Whatshername are about to dance on AMC.

450 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:51:27pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Ploome Hineni was a defender of Baruch Goldstein. He murdered 29 Palestinians at the Cave of the Patriarchs. Ploome apparently thought it was justified and didn't seem to even care about the children that were gunned down in this terrorist act. That led to Ploome getting blocked from LGF.

Wow that was really wrong on so many levels...

it happened well after 1978 IIRC?

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:51:52pm

re: #450 brookly red

Wow that was really wrong on so many levels...

it happened well after 1978 IIRC?

In the mid-nineties.

452 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:51:58pm

re: #450 brookly red

Wow that was really wrong on so many levels...

it happened well after 1978 IIRC?

1994

453 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:52:49pm

re: #438 iceweasel

There's an excellent blog that's been deconstructing the Left Behind books page by page one day a week for over a year. The author is an evangelical and one of his themes is that the LaHaye/Jenkins version of evangelical christianity, and specifically their form of pre-millennial dispensationalist christianity, is codswallop.

Unfortunately there are millions of people who don't think that world view or biblical interpretation is fiction.

It's this guy, slacktivist. Highly recommend. I'm linking the Left Behind archive but the whole blog is great if people are interested.

Well, for those Christians that have been "caught up" by the "left behind" books, the concepts of "rapture" didn't even start to develop in Christian theology until about 1738. And it has branched off into numerous different explanations since then.

Why, because the idea itself receives almost no support in the Greek scriptures. One passage from 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 which says... "...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..." does not even have anything to do with "leaving." The passage itself is recount the future ARRIVAL of Christ, not leaving for anyplace.

That's why you have Dispensationalist Premillennialists and Amillennialists variations on the theme, because there is not enough plain text that fits the concept.

In revelation, a totally contradictory statement is made, indicating that Christ and believers will be together on EARTH, having never left... "Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband."

Here we see the Holy City coming DOWN to earth to meet the husband (CHristians?)...

And this "v3 - And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.' -"

Now... where is everyone... heaven or earth.

See the problems.

454 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:52:51pm

re: #446 Stanley Sea

Yeah, cause Florida got into the tourney!!

(waiting very patiently for you instructions Hoops!)

How the heck did Florida get in?
I'll go the CBSsportsline monday and fire up the LGF brackets and put a link here.. Just log in with your nic and fill out a bracket...I'll be at the pub wireless with the new wicked HP Laptop and update everybody..
The boys will be there along with great food and beer and hours and hours of Basketball...

455 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

In the mid-nineties.

so then it really is a stretch for some people to act like it was justification for an act that happened a generation later, IMO.

456 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:53:55pm

re: #449 MandyManners

Travolta and Whatshername are about to dance on AMC.

AMC fucking cut to commercial before the scene was over!!!

457 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:53:58pm

re: #441 HoosierHoops

This here is the future prediction that I think is currently most likely.

458 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #449 MandyManners
AMC the network?
What the nation is really dying to see: Kate Gosselin on DWTS.
Never has one woman stretched her fifteen minutes so far. In a way, you have to admire the chutzpah.

459 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:54:11pm

re: #455 brookly red

so then it really is a stretch for some people to act like it was justification for an act that happened a generation later, IMO.

generation earlier... my bad

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:54:46pm

re: #455 brookly red

so then it really is a stretch for some people to act like it was justification for an act that happened a generation later, IMO.

Huh? Who's saying that?

I swear, I've totally lost the thread of this conversation.

461 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:54:50pm

re: #450 brookly red
That name sounds familiar on a more recent level... was there not someone here who used that for a screen name?

462 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:54:50pm

Hoops
where can I find the whole 64 team field for the tourney?
I surfed a bit but can't find the entire thing...where is NM?

463 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:55:21pm

re: #448 iceweasel

;)

[Video]Рабочи&# x0435; мира объеди&# x043D;яются!
(i can never get the random symbols out)

Go all out!

Russian National Anthem

Of course they're not longer the CCCP.

Do not cry comrade Ice Weaselski. /

464 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:55:30pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Ploome Hineni was a defender of Baruch Goldstein. He murdered 29 Palestinians at the Cave of the Patriarchs. Ploome apparently thought it was justified and didn't seem to even care about the children that were gunned down in this terrorist act. That led to Ploome getting blocked from LGF.

And that is the extent of your reaction to the officially sanctioned Palestinian celebration of suicide bombers?

465 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #427 MandyManners
I wonder if someone hasn't done that.
And put a mute on it.

466 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:56:18pm

re: #464 Spare O'Lake

And that is the extent of your reaction to the officially sanctioned Palestinian celebration of suicide bombers?

No, it was just snark towards a comment about people not caring about that.

467 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:57:00pm

re: #440 lawhawk
Sounds like tornado season down South. Glad ya'll are safe.

468 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:57:01pm

In that Australian video with Dawkins on the panel, it is interesting that the moderator brings up the US, and the large number of creationists here. Notable how backwards the US must seem at times to those in other parts of the world.

469 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:57:20pm

re: #448 iceweasel

;)

[Video]Рабочи&# x0435; мира объеди&# x043D;яются!
(i can never get the random symbols out)

Ah, yes, of course:

Рабочие мира объединяются

Yes, there is a secret to posting Russian fluently : you have to insert a blank html tag every 4 characters. Unfortunately this magic only seems to last for a day, after which the text reverts to the usual mess. Weird!

470 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:57:25pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

Huh? Who's saying that?

I swear, I've totally lost the thread of this conversation.

I just found it odd that an act committed in the 90's was held up as justification for an act that was committed in the 70's... I never did understand the whole time travel thing.

471 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:57:36pm

re: #454 HoosierHoops

How the heck did Florida get in?
I'll go the CBSsportsline monday and fire up the LGF brackets and put a link here.. Just log in with your nic and fill out a bracket...I'll be at the pub wireless with the new wicked HP Laptop and update everybody..
The boys will be there along with great food and beer and hours and hours of Basketball...

I don't know how they got in exactly, but definitely some people are shocked!! Thanks! I'll look for the link. I already re-signed up with my LGF nom de guerre.

472 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:58:03pm

Clueless.

473 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:58:04pm

re: #462 albusteve

Hoops
where can I find the whole 64 team field for the tourney?
I surfed a bit but can't find the entire thing...where is NM?

Here

474 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:58:26pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Ploome Hineni was a defender of Baruch Goldstein. He murdered 29 Palestinians at the Cave of the Patriarchs. Ploome apparently thought it was justified and didn't seem to even care about the children that were gunned down in this terrorist act. That led to Ploome getting blocked from LGF.

She was simply indifferent to what happened to the Arabs, is what it was. I support Israel's right to defend itself, but what she endorsed was an act of murder.

475 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:58:32pm

re: #462 albusteve

Hoops
where can I find the whole 64 team field for the tourney?
I surfed a bit but can't find the entire thing...where is NM?

Here you go my friend
[Link: www.cbssports.com...]

476 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:58:37pm

re: #362 MandyManners
Funny how that didn't offend Biden nearly as much as the settlements...

477 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:59:05pm

re: #470 brookly red

I just found it odd that an act committed in the 90's was held up as justification for an act that was committed in the 70's... I never did understand the whole time travel thing.

You humans think in such three-dimensional terms.

(Bonus marks to anyone who gets that.)

478 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:59:10pm

re: #456 MandyManners

AMC fucking cut to commercial before the scene was over!!!

Man, that was a rip-off. They didn't even show the award "ceremony".

I want my money back.

479 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:59:21pm

re: #464 Spare O'Lake

And that is the extent of your reaction to the officially sanctioned Palestinian celebration of suicide bombers?

kinda sad that some people are such haters...

480 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:00:11pm

re: #470 brookly red
Get the DVD seasons 1-5 of Lost. Clear it right up.
(not).

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:01:26pm

re: #470 brookly red

I just found it odd that an act committed in the 90's was held up as justification for an act that was committed in the 70's... I never did understand the whole time travel thing.

I didn't understand that it was being offered as justification. Then again, I didn't understand the previous back-and-forth about how 'some people understand'. I have no fucking clue what we are discussing at this point.

482 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:01:28pm

re: #473 solomonpanting

Here

thanks a bunch...NM has MI State...yikes!

483 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:02:03pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

Here you go my friend
[Link: www.cbssports.com...]

thanks bro...I booked it

484 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:02:24pm

Wish we had TV shows here with moderators like that Aussie show. That moderator has no problem trying to pin down the Aussie parliamentarian on the issue of creationism. Closest thing we have here is that tingling leg guy over on MSNBC, but he comes with lots of baggage (in some peoples' minds.)

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:02:29pm

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

She was simply indifferent to what happened to the Arabs, is what it was. I support Israel's right to defend itself, but what she endorsed was an act of murder.

A sense of wrongedness so great that no response to it is too foul.

The Palestinians have it bad. I hate seeing Jews fall into it.

486 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:02:39pm

re: #482 albusteve

thanks a bunch...NM has MI State...yikes!

I'm going to have a special notice of NM now, due to you albusteve!

487 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:03:31pm

re: #463 Gus 802

Thanks for posting it - I've always liked that anthem.

488 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:03:37pm

re: #484 freetoken

Rachel Maddow does okay, but not many people she criticizes are willing to go on her show. I'm always surprised when one is.

489 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:03:46pm

re: #466 Gus 802

No, it was just snark towards a comment about people not caring about that.

I understand where you were coming from about Ploome, but I don't like the way you justaposed your comment on the new story, because it looked as if you were defending the obscene officially sanctioned Palestinian celebration by conflating it with the officially outlawed murderer Goldstein.
I hope I misunderstood your intent.

490 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:04:02pm

re: #487 ryannon

Thanks for posting it - I've always liked that anthem.

Yeah, it's pretty intense.

491 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:04:12pm

re: #476 tradewind

Funny how that didn't offend Biden nearly as much as the settlements...

No, it's not funny. It's very typical of the way the U.S. has interacted with both parties in the past. Exasperating, and reflective of the biggest problem with effecting change on the West Coast of West Asia, but not funny in any sense of the word.

492 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:04:13pm

re: #481 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn't understand that it was being offered as justification. Then again, I didn't understand the previous back-and-forth about how 'some people understand'. I have no fucking clue what we are discussing at this point.

it doesn't matter... I just stated my disapproval for the murdering of children, and thing got nuanced.

493 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:04:57pm

re: #482 albusteve

thanks a bunch...NM has MI State...yikes!

This is a crazy year..Anything can happen...After consulting with all my confused brothers and sisters this week I'll be giving tips...
There will be debates in the cubes and at the pub...I'll post the results so you can bet against them.. It's that kind of year...

494 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:05:01pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

In the mid-nineties.

Feb. 1994

495 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:05:02pm

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Jihad Jamie: Racial profiling under scrutiny after second white Islamist arrested

The use of racial profiling as a counterterrorism tool has been fatally undermined after a second white American woman was arrested over an alleged Islamist murder plot, critics of the policy said today.

Jamie Paulin-Ramirez, 31, a nursing student from Colorado, was detained in Ireland in connection with an alleged conspiracy to kill a Danish cartoonist. News of her arrest came days after Colleen LaRose, 46, of suburban Philadelphia, was named in a federal indictment for her alleged role in the plot against Lars Vilks, who had offended many Muslims with his portrayal of the prophet Muhammad as a dog...

also noted as terrorist attacks in the article...

And this year, American-born, non-Muslim anti-government protesters flew a plane into a government building in Texas, killing a worker, and shot at the Pentagon, wounding two police officers...

496 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:05:07pm

re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote

I knew you was a commie - just look at that Ruskie writing you got there...

And you were talkin' the other day about perfecting yer American accent no that you are in NY!

I knew you were a commie infiltrator! We are on to you Jimski!

Goddammit. I got too confident and careless, forgot the rule about not posting on the internet in Russian ;-)

497 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:06:14pm

re: #496 Jimmah

Goddammit. I got too confident and careless, forgot the rule about not posting on the internet in Russian ;-)

Too late now you spyski!

498 freetoken  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #488 Obdicut

That's one of the problems. The politicians avoid TV hosts who ask the tough questions, or at least the inopportune questions. Only those desperate for attention (like Tancredo) go on Matthew's show and as you point out Maddow scares most of them away. The Sunday morning broadcast network talking head shows are just too scripted.

499 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:07:20pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

A sense of wrongedness so great that no response to it is too foul.

The Palestinians have it bad. I hate seeing Jews fall into it.

Quite Concur.

500 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:07:29pm

re: #495 zora

And now can we revisit the security need for full body scanners for everyone, everytime? (No passes for being old, young, white, female, etc.)

501 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:08:01pm

re: #491 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, it does seem that way.
I didn't mean funny/haha. I meant funny/strange.
I'm going to have to start parsing much more carefully.

502 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:08:01pm

re: #489 Spare O'Lake

I understand where you were coming from about Ploome, but I don't like the way you justaposed your comment on the new story, because it looked as if you were defending the obscene officially sanctioned Palestinian celebration by conflating it with the officially outlawed murderer Goldstein.
I hope I misunderstood your intent.

Like I said, it was just a snarky comment on my part in response to a comment that alluded to no on caring about the officially sanctioned celebrations in Gaza for the Palestinian terrorist. It was in response to the comment not the news or the acts that took place outside of what's going on here. Make sense?

503 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:08:32pm

re: #500 Escaped Hillbilly

And now can we revisit the security need for full body scanners for everyone, everytime? (No passes for being old, young, white, female, etc.)

sniffer dogs... i like dogs.

504 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:09:16pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

This is a crazy year..Anything can happen...After consulting with all my confused brothers and sisters this week I'll be giving tips...
There will be debates in the cubes and at the pub...I'll post the results so you can bet against them.. It's that kind of year...

we are just rinky dink MW out here...MI State!, those are the big boyz!...go Lobos!

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:09:22pm

re: #500 Escaped Hillbilly

And now can we revisit the security need for full body scanners for everyone, everytime? (No passes for being old, young, white, female, etc.)

Yeah. This is a bit of a wake-up call, and we need to take note.

506 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:09:27pm

re: #495 zora
In the two examples you cited, maybe mental profiling is what is called for, since both people have been clearly identified as clinically messed up.

507 zora  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:09:51pm

re: #500 Escaped Hillbilly

also from the gaurdian article:

In the years since the 9/11 attacks, US conservatives have encouraged racial profiling as a counterterrorism tool.

The Republican senator James Inhofe said in January: "If you're looking at people getting on an airplane and you have X amount of resources to get into it, you need to get at targets, not my wife."

As a white woman of European descent, the senator's wife, Kay Inhofe, has a racial profile exactly matching those of Paulin-Ramirez and LaRose, who converted to Islam and allegedly posted comments on the web under the alias "Jihad Jane". Paulin-Ramirez, dubbed "Jihad Jamie" in the US media, converted to Islam last year and became estranged from her family.

This week, the liberal chatshow host Rachel Maddow poked fun at racial profiling. "We are now looking for anyone who is a man, a woman, an American, an African, a Middle Easterner, an eastern European, a western European, a blond, a brunette or between the ages of 20 and 49, which by my calculation leaves only one being on planet Earth above reproach and that is Alf", referring to a TV show alien.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:10:01pm

re: #501 tradewind

Yes, it does seem that way.
I didn't mean funny/haha. I meant funny/strange.
I'm going to have to start parsing much more carefully.

No, I got that...it's just that we've been playing this game for a really long time...gets frustrating.

509 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:10:24pm

re: #503 brookly red

sniffer dogs... i like dogs.

I love dogs. Sniffer dogs are fantastic.

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:11:35pm

re: #507 zora

also from the gaurdian article:

In the years since the 9/11 attacks, US conservatives have encouraged racial profiling as a counterterrorism tool.

The Republican senator James Inhofe said in January: "If you're looking at people getting on an airplane and you have X amount of resources to get into it, you need to get at targets, not my wife."

As a white woman of European descent, the senator's wife, Kay Inhofe, has a racial profile exactly matching those of Paulin-Ramirez and LaRose, who converted to Islam and allegedly posted comments on the web under the alias "Jihad Jane". Paulin-Ramirez, dubbed "Jihad Jamie" in the US media, converted to Islam last year and became estranged from her family.

This week, the liberal chatshow host Rachel Maddow poked fun at racial profiling. "We are now looking for anyone who is a man, a woman, an American, an African, a Middle Easterner, an eastern European, a western European, a blond, a brunette or between the ages of 20 and 49, which by my calculation leaves only one being on planet Earth above reproach and that is Alf", referring to a TV show alien.

Do we really want to exempt ALF and end up with a furry alien who looks like an anteater carrying out an attack on US soil?

511 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:11:38pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

I love dogs. Sniffer dogs are fantastic.

and cheap too... win, win.

512 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:11:53pm

Weird.

Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that once were in police custody and were later involved in attacks on police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the United States: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy equipment such as bulletproof vests.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

513 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:12:13pm

re: #495 zora

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Jihad Jamie: Racial profiling under scrutiny after second white Islamist arrested

Heh. Rachel Maddow is awesome as always.

"We are now looking for anyone who is a man, a woman, an American, an African, a Middle Easterner, an eastern European, a western European, a blond, a brunette or between the ages of 20 and 49, which by my calculation leaves only one being on planet Earth above reproach and that is Alf", referring to a TV show alien.

These two may be the highest profile white Islamists arrested, but it has been going on for a while. There were Islamic converts in Germany, the people in Pennsylvania, a British guy...the list goes on. But of course, there will be people who cling to racial profiling as the most effective course of action, and dismiss the evidence to the contrary as "political correctness."

514 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:12:29pm

re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist

Cerberus wouldn't be profiled either, and that earthpig is responsible for a lot of terror.

515 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:12:54pm

re: #503 brookly red
While we can't do what El Al does re profiling even if our political climate would tolerate it, we could certainly use their system of pre-screening through examining data present on tickets and itineraries. It's pretty obvious that this is barely being done, and badly. It would cut down on a lot of time at the airports, and it wouldn't be intrusive publicly. When someone from Nigeria buys a one way ticket to Detroit with cash and checks no baggage??
That's a no-brainer. If they are innocent, they will surely understand.

516 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:12:55pm

re: #500 Escaped Hillbilly

And now can we revisit the security need for full body scanners for everyone, everytime? (No passes for being old, young, white, female, etc.)

Come on Megan Fox..Walk through the scanner..Walk through the scanner!
Who is this? A rep from TMZ.. Walk through the scanner Ms. Fox..Ms. Fox!
That's it..OK got it..Call my agent..
/

517 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:12:58pm

re: #507 zora

And anyone who has been following security issues and the problems with air safety, transit safety, etc. would know that it isn't racial profiling that is needed, but behavioral profiling - basing it on how individuals engage security at airport checkpoints - etc., and combining it with other intel sources.

518 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:14:37pm

re: #515 tradewind

While we can't do what El Al does re profiling even if our political climate would tolerate it, we could certainly use their system of pre-screening through examining data present on tickets and itineraries. It's pretty obvious that this is barely being done, and badly. It would cut down on a lot of time at the airports, and it wouldn't be intrusive publicly. When someone from Nigeria buys a one way ticket to Detroit with cash and checks no baggage??
That's a no-brainer. If they are innocent, they will surely understand.

Intense behavior-based screening is needed. I think full-body scans being done routinely would not be a bad idea, though, or using dogs. You don't have to be that smart to adapt by buying a return ticket and carrying a bag.

519 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:14:51pm

re: #502 Gus 802

Like I said, it was just a snarky comment on my part in response to a comment that alluded to no on caring about the officially sanctioned celebrations in Gaza for the Palestinian terrorist. It was in response to the comment not the news or the acts that took place outside of what's going on here. Make sense?

I told you the impression it created and I have your response.

520 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:14:52pm

re: #517 lawhawk

And anyone who has been following security issues and the problems with air safety, transit safety, etc. would know that it isn't racial profiling that is needed, but behavioral profiling - basing it on how individuals engage security at airport checkpoints - etc., and combining it with other intel sources.

seems that by now, people would understand that, but they still don't...profile the crap out of everybody...it's the world we live in now

521 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:14:53pm

re: #507 zora
There are always exceptions that prove rules.
The facts are that still, most terrorist activity is concentrated among arab males between the ages of 18 and 35.
Just because not every incidence fits this profile does not mean that it is not still the main source of the problem.

522 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:15:05pm

re: #512 iceweasel

Weird.

So how was a nut like Bedell able to buy a gun?

523 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:15:18pm

Ruski Proof!

I contacted the same hackers who got at CRU and they hit Jimski's laptop... It wasn't hard, I wen't to the local Exxon... Not surprisingly we found the following video...

There are also some photos of Ice in some very interesting lingerie...

Well, OK, he's a commie, but he has good taste...

Why are the lib chicks always so much hotter? I mean all we have is Coulter.. and Geeze, her adam's apple is bigger than mine! I mean ok Malkin is kinda cute, but they have Scarlett Johanson!

Oh I digress, I was outing COMMIES!

524 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:15:39pm

re: #515 tradewind

While we can't do what El Al does re profiling even if our political climate would tolerate it, we could certainly use their system of pre-screening through examining data present on tickets and itineraries. It's pretty obvious that this is barely being done, and badly. It would cut down on a lot of time at the airports, and it wouldn't be intrusive publicly. When someone from Nigeria buys a one way ticket to Detroit with cash and checks no baggage??
That's a no-brainer. If they are innocent, they will surely understand.

true... also the jihad jane thing brought something else out into the open. seems that what people post on blogs does get checked out too.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:15:43pm

re: #521 tradewind

There are always exceptions that prove rules.
The facts are that still, most terrorist activity is concentrated among arab males between the ages of 18 and 35.
Just because not every incidence fits this profile does not mean that it is not still the main source of the problem.

Problem is, one exception, and there have been far more than that by now, can pull off a very ugly terror attack.

526 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:16:03pm

re: #522 Gus 802

So how was a nut like Bedell able to buy a gun?

I don't think they do sanity checks anywhere.

527 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:16:08pm

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist
True, you don't. But amazingly, most take the easiest way. Dogs are a good idea, although wait for the religious outrage among Muslims who consider them filthy.

528 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:16:28pm

waterboard every passenger...problem solved

529 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:16:52pm

re: #516 HoosierHoops

Yeah and them libs got Meagan Fox too! It just isn't fair when I look over and see Pamela!

530 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:17:20pm

re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think they do sanity checks anywhere.

Oh. I would think that part of the requirements for a well trained militia would be to pass a sanity test.

531 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:17:26pm

re: #522 Gus 802

So how was a nut like Bedell able to buy a gun?

All too easily.

At the Pentagon, gunman John Patrick Bedell carried two 9 mm handguns, one of them a Ruger.

Law enforcement officials say Bedell, a man with a history of severe psychiatric problems, had been sent a letter by California authorities Jan. 10 telling him he was prohibited from buying a gun because of his mental history.

Nineteen days later, the officials say, Bedell bought the Ruger at a gun show in Las Vegas. Such a sale by a private individual does not require the kind of background check that would have stopped Bedell's purchase.

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:17:28pm

re: #527 tradewind

True, you don't. But amazingly, most take the easiest way. Dogs are a good idea, although wait for the religious outrage among Muslims who consider them filthy.

I do recall that we had some other ideas here--giant African rats were suggested, also bears.

On a more serious note, I expect that some sort of other screening can be made available for people with religious concerns.

533 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #524 brookly red

true... also the jihad jane thing brought something else out into the open. seems that what people post on blogs does get checked out too.

And not always by those who you might think of...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

534 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #512 iceweasel

Policies vary, but the guns are often sold by the police departments to gun dealers.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

535 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:18:03pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

I do recall that we had some other ideas here--giant African rats were suggested, also bears.

On a more serious note, I expect that some sort of other screening can be made available for people with religious concerns.

I don't think the Koran says anything about giant African rats.

536 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:18:11pm

re: #527 tradewind

True, you don't. But amazingly, most take the easiest way. Dogs are a good idea, although wait for the religious outrage among Muslims who consider them filthy.

my apathy meter just pegged...

537 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:18:21pm

re: #531 iceweasel

The first rifle I bought, I had to sign a paper that said I was not a criminal and that I was not mentally insane and that I did not plan on using it in a crime...

The paper was filled out after the purchase...

538 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:18:53pm

re: #521 tradewind

There are always exceptions that prove rules.
The facts are that still, most terrorist activity is concentrated among arab males between the ages of 18 and 35.
Just because not every incidence fits this profile does not mean that it is not still the main source of the problem.

How do the (many) exceptions prove the rule? And if one of the "exceptions" gets through, how much comfort would it be to the families of those who died that the "rule" was being followed?

539 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:19:06pm

re: #533 ryannon

And not always by those who you might think of...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

well actually it is always those you least expect.

540 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:19:11pm

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think the Koran says anything about giant African rats.

I don't even care...Muslim outrage is so last year...they can walk

541 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:19:24pm

re: #523 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah, ya'll have Rachel Maddow, and Fox only has... Meghan Kelley. Ya'll have Randi Rhodes, and conservatives only have Heather Nauert and Laura Ingraham. It's really a rout.

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:19:57pm

re: #541 tradewind

Yeah, ya'll have Rachel Maddow, and Fox only has... Meghan Kelley. Ya'll have Randi Rhodes, and conservatives only have Heather Nauert and Laura Ingraham. It's really a rout.

Conservatives now have Meghan McCain.

543 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:20:14pm

re: #537 LudwigVanQuixote

The first rifle I bought, I had to sign a paper that said I was not a criminal and that I was not mentally insane and that I did not plan on using it in a crime...

The paper was filled out after the purchase...

well it seems to have worked out OK, yes?

544 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:20:17pm

re: #524 brookly red

true... also the jihad jane thing brought something else out into the open. seems that what people post on blogs does get checked out too.

Surely this is a good thing? If someone was posting things that indicated they were mentally preparing themselves to carry out an attack, they should be checked out.

545 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:20:30pm

re: #536 brookly red
...and then of course, there's the issue of body scanning, which is out of the question. And of course, no male screeners for women, and... and...
Heck. There's obviously no way to screen.

546 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:20:38pm

re: #539 brookly red

well actually it is always those you least expect.

Expect or not, I think it's great that people (private citizens) are taking the time and effort to track them.

547 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:20:55pm

re: #537 LudwigVanQuixote

The first rifle I bought, I had to sign a paper that said I was not a criminal and that I was not mentally insane and that I did not plan on using it in a crime...

The paper was filled out after the purchase...

but before you took possession of the weapon...of course you purchase the weapon first...duh

548 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:21:04pm

re: #534 Rightwingconspirator

Policies vary, but the guns are often sold by the police departments to gun dealers.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Yeah, the abc news article I linked talks about that. It's a fairly long article (well, 4 pages) and talks about how some PD's destroy weapons, but many others sell them in order to get money for more equipment for themselves, like bulletproof vests.

I don't think I have a problem with the PD's doing that, but with sales at gun shows and the like. It's too easy for a nutjob to legally buy a gun.

549 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:21:11pm

re: #544 Kruk

Surely this is a good thing? If someone was posting things that indicated they were mentally preparing themselves to carry out an attack, they should be checked out.

damn straight.

550 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:21:19pm

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not so sure they'll have her.

551 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:21:34pm

re: #537 LudwigVanQuixote

Every time I ever bought a handgun, I had to endure the 14 day wait for the background check. BTW, that's the same databases any cop accesses in seconds from their office or car computer. It is a federal offense to lie on the form about mental illness, past convictions drug use etc. Lots of rules apply.

Rifles and shotguns are different as they are not so easily concealed.

552 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:21:52pm

re: #543 brookly red

well it seems to have worked out OK, yes?

"Billions will die"

Hmm. Wait a minute here...

553 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:21:53pm

re: #550 tradewind

I'm not so sure they'll have her.

Well, I'm sure plenty of people will step up if they don't want her...

554 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:22:18pm

re: #538 Kruk
Many?
Please identify the last major terrorist attacks attempted against this country by caucasian females.

555 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:22:20pm

re: #545 tradewind

...and then of course, there's the issue of body scanning, which is out of the question. And of course, no male screeners for women, and... and...
Heck. There's obviously no way to screen.

sniff sniff woof woof.

556 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:22:50pm

re: #552 ryannon

"Billions will die"

Hmm. Wait a minute here...

it's in the data base :)

557 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:22:52pm

re: #551 Rightwingconspirator

Every time I ever bought a handgun, I had to endure the 14 day wait for the background check. BTW, that's the same databases any cop accesses in seconds from their office or car computer. It is a federal offense to lie on the form about mental illness, past convictions drug use etc. Lots of rules apply.

Rifles and shotguns are different as they are not so easily concealed.

every weapon sold in NM requires a felony check at the least, including shotguns

558 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:23:15pm

re: #555 brookly red
I love it when there's still an excuse to write ' LOL'.

559 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:24:14pm

re: #557 albusteve

every weapon sold in NM requires a felony check at the least, including shotguns

True, but you don't have waiting period, do you?

560 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:25:02pm

re: #557 albusteve From that post

It is a federal offense to lie on the form about mental illness, past convictions drug use etc.

... the wonderful thing is that everyone knows that people who are falling into those categories would never, ever lie about them.//

561 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:25:55pm

re: #560 tradewind

From that post

... the wonderful thing is that everyone knows that people who are falling into those categories would never, ever lie about them.//

yet we vote for em anyway...

562 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:26:22pm

Cheney/Palin in 2012?

No. Not that Cheney. The other one.

As early as the 2000 election, Liz was being told by Bush and Cheney advisers like Stuart Stevens that she could be president one day. She laughed it off, but starting last summer, she seemed to draft an informal outline of her future. [...]

While Keep America Safe is primarily focused on Gitmo, it is also transparently a testing ground for Liz Cheney’s political career. When she created the pac with Bill Kristol, he advised her to hire two former aides to John McCain’s presidential campaign, including Michael Goldfarb, a 29-year-old political consultant who has become her adviser. Goldfarb, who claims that he was the one to recommend Sarah Palin to Kristol as a national candidate, says they are running Keep America Safe “very much like a campaign.”

“I was excited about Palin; I’m more excited about Liz,” he says. “The same sort of excitement you get when you hear her father, except she’s this petite blonde with five kids … There’s just something about her. You see that response across the activist portion of the party. It’s the response you saw to Palin … She gets people worked up. She connects to people. She is in harmony with where the base seems to be. She’s right on the issues.

“You have a little crush on her,” he gushes. “It’s hard not to.”

Oh great.

563 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:26:26pm

re: #549 brookly red
... not to mention physicians freaking out their interns on rounds , talking about jihad.
You'd have thought that would have done it.

564 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:26:46pm

Funny random ad-juxtaposition time -

Someone mentioned 'rule 34' the other day. Here's what I found when I looked it up:

Image: rule34.jpg

565 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:27:18pm

re: #519 Spare O'Lake

I told you the impression it created and I have your response.

Well, I didn't want to drag this out but what Abbas and the Palestinians did in both naming a public square and then honoring the terrorist Dalal Mughrabi amounts to incitement and is slap in the face for those seeking peace and a resolution on both sides of the conflict. It is especially a slap in the face on Israel for obvious reasons. Furthermore, I believe that this honoring of Dalal Mughrabi should be denounced by the State Department.

566 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:27:22pm

re: #562 iceweasel

Cheney/Palin in 2012?

No. Not that Cheney. The other one.

Oh great.

Palin is NOT going to be second runner up again!

567 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:28:06pm

re: #565 Gus 802
I agree. But don't hold your breath.
They won't say a freaking word.

568 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:28:10pm

re: #563 tradewind

... not to mention physicians freaking out their interns on rounds , talking about jihad.
You'd have thought that would have done it.

well I do insist on selecting my health care providers...

569 ryannon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:28:36pm

re: #562 iceweasel

Cheney/Palin in 2012?

No. Not that Cheney. The other one.

Oh great.

The leg tingle we've been waiting for!

570 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:29:10pm

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

Conservatives now have Meghan McCain.

They are trying to get rid of her.

571 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:29:22pm

re: #566 Stanley Sea

Palin is NOT going to be second runner up again!

Very true. She's ready for her closeup, Mr. DeMille Kristol Murdoch.

572 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:30:03pm

re: #565 Gus 802

Well, I didn't want to drag this out but what Abbas and the Palestinians did in both naming a public square and then honoring the terrorist Dalal Mughrabi amounts to incitement and is slap in the face for those seeking peace and a resolution on both sides of the conflict. It is especially a slap in the face on Israel for obvious reasons. Furthermore, I believe that this honoring of Dalal Mughrabi should be denounced by the State Department.

heh, can't even get it denounced here...

573 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:30:04pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

True, but you don't have waiting period, do you?

for a shotgun, it could be twenty minutes, or may be 24hrs...not a big deal...handguns take at least that long...and we have open carry laws here so once you're good to go they mean it...you can open carry in a saloon out here, unless it's posted 'No Firearms Allowed', but you can't drink alcohol...we don't fuck around down here with a bunch of sissy restrictions...I see old time bikers cruising through the city with their pistol strapped on...cool

574 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:30:25pm

re: #548 iceweasel
Any big city in the US: want a handgun?
There's always a guy. Saturday night specials are on every corner, no line, no waiting. All it takes is the cash.
That's the problem with gun laws.
The law-abiding abide by them. Not the crooks.

575 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:30:34pm

New threads have been scarce today. Charles must be off on a long ride.

576 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:31:01pm

re: #565 Gus 802

Well, I didn't want to drag this out but what Abbas and the Palestinians did in both naming a public square and then honoring the terrorist Dalal Mughrabi amounts to incitement and is slap in the face for those seeking peace and a resolution on both sides of the conflict. It is especially a slap in the face on Israel for obvious reasons. Furthermore, I believe that this honoring of Dalal Mughrabi should be denounced by the State Department.

Thank you very much for that. I really do appreciate the clarification.

577 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:31:15pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

New threads have been scarce today. Charles must be off on a long ride.

Stuck in the back of a stuffy MD-80. :)

578 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:31:44pm

re: #562 iceweasel

Cheney/Palin in 2012?

No. Not that Cheney. The other one.

Oh great.

She needs a long period of seasoning, but I could see Liz Cheney as president. She'd likely be worth voting for. She's got several years before we're at that point, however. She needs to prove herself first.

579 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:31:59pm

re: #574 tradewind

Any big city in the US: want a handgun?
There's always a guy. Saturday night specials are on every corner, no line, no waiting. All it takes is the cash.
That's the problem with gun laws.
The law-abiding abide by them. Not the crooks.

well that goes for all laws...

580 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:32:16pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

New threads have been scarce today. Charles must be off on a long ride.

He mentioned yesterday somewhere that he'll be travelling for 3 or 4 days and posting will be light.

581 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:32:40pm

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

Conservatives now have Meghan McCain.

Speaking of cute people..I went to a Conference in Salt Lake years ago..
It was funny..We hung out in the Hotel bar every night and everybody from Salt Lake was just this perfect looking Stepford wife look..
The guys were handsome and strong and the Girls looked perfect..
It was really strange...I was only there a short time and it isn't fair to paint with a broad brush...But really...Salt Lake City is like the Stepford wives movie..
/I probably just pissed a bunch of people off..*wink*

582 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:33:32pm

re: #578 Dark_Falcon
I think she's great, but she has the same problem as another person who would make a really excellent CIC: her last name.
I mean Jeb.

583 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:33:58pm

re: #576 Spare O'Lake

Thank you very much for that. I really do appreciate the clarification.

Cool beans.

584 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:34:16pm

re: #554 tradewind

Many?
Please identify the last major terrorist attacks attempted against this country by caucasian females.

Your statement was to the effect that the majority of terrorist activity was among young Arab males. My counter examples are these two, the father and sons arrested in Pennsylania, the the European Muslims who planned a US army base using a pizza delivery van, the Shoe Bomber and Captain Underpants, none of whom were Arab males. Outside the US, we've had the London Subway Bombers (both the suicide attack on 7/7 and the failed attempt a week later), the people who plotted to blow up Transatlantic airlines (including a white convert), the Muslim converts in German who plotted to attack a US army base, the Germans arrested in Afghanistan, the Bali bombers, and John Walker Lindh. Lots and lots of non Arab males there.

585 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:34:25pm

re: #573 albusteve

for a shotgun, it could be twenty minutes, or may be 24hrs...not a big deal...handguns take at least that long...and we have open carry laws here so once you're good to go they mean it...you can open carry in a saloon out here, unless it's posted 'No Firearms Allowed', but you can't drink alcohol...we don't fuck around down here with a bunch of sissy restrictions...I see old time bikers cruising through the city with their pistol strapped on...cool

Want to know what is cool... turkey shoots in Pennsylvania. when I was growing up, we went two times a year, spring and fall. It's like a carnival, with lots of guns, gun games, shooting competitions, rides, hard money gambling games and LOT'S OF BOOZE.

Open carry all around. Amazing how careful drunks are when there is a lot of firearms around. I saw a lot of drunken brawls break out, usually over the hard money gambling games... probably went for a good 20 times...

Never saw anyone ever hurt from a gun.

586 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:35:10pm

re: #560 tradewind

From that post

... the wonderful thing is that everyone knows that people who are falling into those categories would never, ever lie about them.//

you fuck up with the ATF, you have a major problem...if you are illicit and on the run, it's no big deal I suppose

587 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:35:26pm

re: #37 Ojoe

Well I think that particular tone well describes Obama and the people around him, and of course direction come from the top.

This is a disgusting 4 years.

Let us hope that's all it is.

Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, has stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, and possibly more in the most recent published study, published in March 2008. Stiglitz has stated: "The figure we arrive at is more than $3 trillion. Our calculations are based on conservative assumptions...Needless to say, this number represents the cost only to the United States. "


The revised HR1424 was received from the Senate by the House, and on October 3, it voted 263-171 to enact the bill into law.[6][12]

President Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its enactment, creating a $700 billion dollar Treasury fund to purchase failing bank assets

The measures are nominally worth $787 billion
. The Act includes federal tax cuts, expansion of unemployment benefits and other social welfare provisions, and domestic spending in education, health care, and infrastructure, including the energy sector. The Act also includes numerous non-economic recovery related items that were either part of longer-term plans (e.g. a study of the effectiveness of medical treatments) or desired by Congress (e.g. a limitation on executive compensation in federally aided banks added by Senator Dodd and Rep. Frank).

$4.487 trillion. Looks like your politicians just love to spend money.

588 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:35:46pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

New threads have been scarce today. Charles must be off on a long ride.

viagra!...it's a miracle!

589 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:35:54pm

re: #580 iceweasel

He mentioned yesterday somewhere that he'll be travelling for 3 or 4 days and posting will be light.

Ah , thanks.

590 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:36:15pm

re: #581 HoosierHoops
It's just a combo of homogenous population combined with clean living.
:)

591 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:36:47pm

More weird gun stuff, this time in W-VA.

Offering a tax-free weekend on gun sales potentially could get West Virginia booted out of the Streamlined Sales Tax agreement -- an agreement between about 20 states, and retailers within those states, to collect and remit sales taxes on purchases (mainly via the Internet) that otherwise would go uncollected.

For West Virginia, that arrangement currently brings in about $3 million a year, which could be forfeited if the state violates the agreement by allowing a gun tax holiday, expected to save gun buyers only about $25,000 in sales taxes.

Legislators who voted for the bill not only picked up brownie points from the National Rifle Association, which was pushing the bill, but also knowingly put Manchin into a position of losing popularity points with some voters if he is obligated to veto the bill.


I don't know anything about WV politics so I don't know the meta here about the people for this would do this, but it seems pretty stupid.

592 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:37:34pm

re: #567 tradewind

I agree. But don't hold your breath.
They won't say a freaking word.

They won't say a word because the Press which covers the State Department will not ask them about it. Ever watch or read the daily briefings from the State Department? None of the regular reporters could remotely be said to be the least sympathetic to Israel's positions. There are, however, a number of obviously pro-Palestinian reporters there on a daily basis.
Even if they do get ask-not likely- their response will be to say "Both sides should not do anything to provoke the other".

593 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:38:01pm

re: #584 Kruk
You are entitled to your own opinions ( and your own set of examples that prove the exception to the rule), but not your own set of facts. Factually, my statement that terrorist activity is concentrated overwhelmingly among arab males 18-35 is correct. It's not my opinion.

594 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:38:35pm

re: #506 tradewind
Not according to her (Jane's) ex-husband. What about the one's that don't show signs of being kooky? Admittedly, most do but... Also, most security folks are just not that well trained. And ou are introducing an even greater risk of human error. Unless we do both. Full screen everybody...selective psych screen for random few or those picked out as being in need of additional screening.

595 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:38:38pm

I see the outrageous outrage of the day in wingnut circles is the illustration from this NYT article . Most wingnuts are failing to mention that the cross is there as a medical symbol and not a religious one. I guess they could have used the snakes on the staff thingy.

596 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:38:40pm

re: #591 iceweasel

More weird gun stuff, this time in W-VA.

I don't know anything about WV politics so I don't know the meta here about why the people for this would do this, but it seems pretty stupid.

PIMF. Bad sentence made worse by omitting a word.

597 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:39:05pm

re: #523 LudwigVanQuixote

Ruski Proof!

I contacted the same hackers who got at CRU and they hit Jimski's laptop... It wasn't hard, I wen't to the local Exxon... Not surprisingly we found the following video...


[Video]There are also some photos of Ice in some very interesting lingerie...

Well, OK, he's a commie, but he has good taste...

Why are the lib chicks always so much hotter? I mean all we have is Coulter.. and Geeze, her adam's apple is bigger than mine! I mean ok Malkin is kinda cute, but they have Scarlett Johanson!

Oh I digress, I was outing COMMIES!

Nice work Ludwig, my little red white and blue friend, but you're too late . The means of production are being transferred into the rightful hands of the proletariat and the bosses are being rounded up as we speak:

598 doubter4444  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:40:01pm

Hey, did anyone else see that Justice Thomas' wife is starting a tea party organization? Don't know if it's discussed up-thread, but:
A Thomas Tea?

I don't really get it, but I don't think I like the implications.
Thomas is a terrible justice, IMO, (not because of his conservative leanings), and this seems troubling.
I know Ed Rendell's wife is a Federal Judge too, but I think it's different, this is a supreme.
But then again, I don't really know jack.
Where is Lawhawk?

599 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:40:02pm

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

Want to know what is cool... turkey shoots in Pennsylvania. when I was growing up, we went two times a year, spring and fall. It's like a carnival, with lots of guns, gun games, shooting competitions, rides, hard money gambling games and LOT'S OF BOOZE.

Open carry all around. Amazing how careful drunks are when there is a lot of firearms around. I saw a lot of drunken brawls break out, usually over the hard money gambling games... probably went for a good 20 times...

Never saw anyone ever hurt from a gun.

if you grow up with firearms, generally people have a deep seated awareness of gun safety...modern day shooters take that to the extreme...you can sense it here on this blog...and btw, I'm a natural born gambler...bet me

600 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:41:08pm

re: #581 HoosierHoops

Speaking of cute people..I went to a Conference in Salt Lake years ago..
It was funny..We hung out in the Hotel bar every night and everybody from Salt Lake was just this perfect looking Stepford wife look..
The guys were handsome and strong and the Girls looked perfect..
It was really strange...I was only there a short time and it isn't fair to paint with a broad brush...But really...Salt Lake City is like the Stepford wives movie..
/I probably just pissed a bunch of people off..*wink*

I remember when we were teenagers we crossed the border into Utah from Wyoming in our motorhome and we thought, "wow, people are really friendly here." Most of what we noticed as we traveled West from New Joisy was that everybody seemed to be tall.

601 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:41:41pm

re: #595 Killgore Trout
Who's outraged? Is Glen Beck doing a special or something?

602 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #593 tradewind

You are entitled to your own opinions ( and your own set of examples that prove the exception to the rule), but not your own set of facts. Factually, my statement that terrorist activity is concentrated overwhelmingly among arab males 18-35 is correct. It's not my opinion.

And you can keep ignoring the cases that prove racial profiling doesn't work as loudly as you like. I would much rather not end up on the same plane as one of the "exceptions" because the screeners were too busy harassing innocent people who fit the "profile".

603 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:43:33pm

re: #598 doubter4444
Have you ever read any of Thomas' written opinions?
They are thoughtful, extremely articulate, and elegantly crafted.

604 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:43:36pm

re: #602 Kruk

And you can keep ignoring the cases that prove racial profiling doesn't work as loudly as you like. I would much rather not end up on the same plane as one of the "exceptions" because the screeners were too busy harassing innocent people who fit the "profile".

screen everyone.

605 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:43:51pm

re: #598 doubter4444

She is a private citizen - and can do as she pleases, the second she starts playing off her husbands *achievements* it does become rather tacky.

606 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:44:13pm

re: #598 doubter4444

Hey, did anyone else see that Justice Thomas' wife is starting a tea party organization? Don't know if it's discussed up-thread, but:
A Thomas Tea?

I don't really get it, but I don't think I like the implications.
Thomas is a terrible justice, IMO, (not because of his conservative leanings), and this seems troubling.
I know Ed Rendell's wife is a Federal Judge too, but I think it's different, this is a supreme.
But then again, I don't really know jack.
Where is Lawhawk?

what are the implications?

607 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:44:33pm

re: #603 tradewind

There are a lot of thoughtful people who are consistently wrong.

608 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:44:46pm

re: #598 doubter4444

Let's run a thought experiment here. Suppose the spouse of a SCOTUS justice appointed by a Dem announced he or she was forming a MoveOn type organisation, just weeks after that justice was part of a majority decision allowing contributions by corporations, including foreign corporations and corporations potentially tied to foreign governments-- and the spouse's organisation could be one of the beneficiaries of such donations.

Wouldn't there already be massive screaming from the right and calls for impeachment?

609 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:44:57pm

re: #604 brookly red

screen everyone.

Or failing that (time, resources) make the screening as unpredictable and random as possible so that there are no "safe" groups that can be used to carry out an attack.

610 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:45:46pm

re: #602 Kruk
As I said, there are always exceptions. But you go with and concentrate resources on the known aspects of a problem. To ignore the facts and statistics behind terrorist attacks is not helpful.

611 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:45:54pm

re: #609 Kruk

Or failing that (time, resources) make the screening as unpredictable and random as possible so that there are no "safe" groups that can be used to carry out an attack.

sniff sniff woof woof all all.

612 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:46:22pm

re: #605 wozzablog

She is a private citizen - and can do as she pleases, the second she starts playing off her husbands *achievements* it does become rather tacky.

On the contrary, her LibertyCouncil web site and her appearance at the CPAC panel didn't mention whose spouse she was.
(the website bio may now be amended).

613 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #604 brookly red
That works too.

614 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:47:03pm

re: #608 iceweasel

Well, sure. Outrageous outrage.
I think it would be great if the spouses of the Supreme Court justices would 'recuse' themselves from public political activity just for appearances sake.

615 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:47:37pm

re: #612 iceweasel

She is a private citizen - and can do as she pleases, the second she starts playing off her husbands *achievements* it would become rather tacky.


fifm

616 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:47:56pm

re: #602 Kruk

And you can keep ignoring the cases that prove racial profiling doesn't work as loudly as you like. I would much rather not end up on the same plane as one of the "exceptions" because the screeners were too busy harassing innocent people who fit the "profile".

Everything we know about the terrorists and how they exploit any weaknesses or blind spots in our defences tells us that if we adopt racial profiling, it will only make them use western looking operatives.

617 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:48:00pm

re: #610 tradewind

As I said, there are always exceptions. But you go with and concentrate resources on the known aspects of a problem. To ignore the facts and statistics behind terrorist attacks is not helpful.

When you're dealing with a disease or a natural event, yes, concentrating your resources where there you think the problem is a good strategy. When you're dealing with a thinking enemy who studies what you do and attacks areas where he thinks you're weak, not so much.

618 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:48:49pm

re: #614 jaunte

Well, sure. Outrageous outrage.
I think it would be great if the spouses of the Supreme Court justices would 'recuse' themselves from public political activity just for appearances sake.

why not put them on a morning talk show... we could call it "the other view" :)

catchy huh?

619 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:49:28pm

re: #614 jaunte

Well, sure. Outrageous outrage.
I think it would be great if the spouses of the Supreme Court justices would 'recuse' themselves from public political activity just for appearances sake.

Yeah, I think so too.

620 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:49:31pm

re: #605 wozzablog
No kidding. Next thing you know we'll have wives running for the Senate presidency on the strength of their husbands political connections.//

621 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:49:33pm

re: #590 tradewind

It's just a combo of homogenous population combined with clean living.
:)

I grew up in Napa Valley..I've seen the beautiful people every weekend in the local bars..
I've got to hand it to Salt Lake City...There is something about the DNA there..
Very handsome folks..Not dissing anyone cause I have gone on record here as saying the most beautiful woman in the world live in Montreal...It's just a fact..And I spent 3 years working at Pearl...And even though anyone that doesn't say the hottest woman are in Hawaii.. The thing is..They are always on the next Saturday flight off the Islands...Come and go...
I saw Paula on the beach in 1990.. She had a body guard.. She needed one..Just Beautiful walking down the beach in her bikini..
Dude! Paula Abdul! Wow! Dude! Duuude!

622 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:49:38pm

re: #608 iceweasel

Let's run a thought experiment here. Suppose the spouse of a SCOTUS justice appointed by a Dem announced he or she was forming a MoveOn type organisation, just weeks after that justice was part of a majority decision allowing contributions by corporations, including foreign corporations and corporations potentially tied to foreign governments-- and the spouse's organisation could be one of the beneficiaries of such donations.

Wouldn't there already be massive screaming from the right and calls for impeachment?

Oh geeze. Yep.

623 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:49:50pm

re: #593 tradewind

You are entitled to your own opinions ( and your own set of examples that prove the exception to the rule), but not your own set of facts. Factually, my statement that terrorist activity is concentrated overwhelmingly among arab males 18-35 is correct. It's not my opinion.

Factually, that's fine, but it won't help us if someone outside that demographic is used to pull off a terror attack.

624 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:50:21pm

re: #595 Killgore Trout

I see the outrageous outrage of the day in wingnut circles is the illustration from this NYT article . Most wingnuts are failing to mention that the cross is there as a medical symbol and not a religious one. I guess they could have used the snakes on the staff thingy.

Why? The wingnuts would have just gotten mad at something else. Too many people right now are outrage junkies. They sustain their involvement by being angry. Both sides have this problem, but the right has more such people at present.

625 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:50:30pm

re: #623 SanFranciscoZionist

Factually, that's fine, but it won't help us if someone outside that demographic is used to pull off a terror attack.

screen everyone.

626 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:50:35pm

re: #604 brookly red

screen everyone.

yup

627 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:50:36pm

re: #602 Kruk

And you can keep ignoring the cases that prove racial profiling doesn't work as loudly as you like. I would much rather not end up on the same plane as one of the "exceptions" because the screeners were too busy harassing innocent people who fit the "profile".

Are the two really mutually exclusive? Why can't they give special attention to those who fit the profiles while also using the other psychological and physical methods. It seems irrational to ignore profiles which substantially increase the probability of identifying a terrorist.

628 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:51:00pm

re: #621 HoosierHoops
Abdul's revenge: I hear American Idol sucks since they sacked her.
:)

629 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:51:01pm

re: #598 doubter4444


Where is Lawhawk?


I'd like his input on this too.

630 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:51:08pm

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

631 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:51:29pm

re: #612 iceweasel

On the contrary, her LibertyCouncil web site and her appearance at the CPAC panel didn't mention whose spouse she was.
(the website bio may now be amended).

Liberty Central, Inc. Apparently it's a non-profit. The DNS shows that it's based out of Fairfax, VA. Post office box there. The email contact is located at hilssdale.edu which is perhaps a misspelling for Hillsdale College?

632 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:51:50pm

re: #625 brookly red

screen everyone.

and screen the screener 's twice.

633 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:51:54pm

re: #608 iceweasel

Let's run a thought experiment here. Suppose the spouse of a SCOTUS justice appointed by a Dem announced he or she was forming a MoveOn type organisation, just weeks after that justice was part of a majority decision allowing contributions by corporations, including foreign corporations and corporations potentially tied to foreign governments-- and the spouse's organisation could be one of the beneficiaries of such donations.

Wouldn't there already be massive screaming from the right and calls for impeachment?

Well, yes, but I try not to take my cues from the kind of people who do the screaming.

634 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:52:16pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Liberty Central, Inc. Apparently it's a non-profit. The DNS shows that it's based out of Fairfax Station, VA. Post office box there. The email contact is located at hilssdale.edu which is perhaps a misspelling for Hillsdale College?

Fairfax Station that is.

635 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:52:52pm

re: #627 Spare O'Lake

Are the two really mutually exclusive? Why can't they give special attention to those who fit the profiles while also using the other psychological and physical methods. It seems irrational to ignore profiles which substantially increase the probability of identifying a terrorist.

The problem here is with resources. If you had them, fine. (Assuming you could get it to fly legally, which I doubt.) The trouble is that screeners are already overworked and underpaid. Give them more to do with the same amount of resources, and a I see a thin line getting even thinner.

636 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:52:52pm

re: #610 tradewind

As I said, there are always exceptions. But you go with and concentrate resources on the known aspects of a problem. To ignore the facts and statistics behind terrorist attacks is not helpful.

Within the United States, I would say that our range of terrorists has been broad enough that we really can't characterize very well.

637 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:53:02pm

re: #555 brookly red
Doctor, how much to write me a note saying I'm allergic to dogs? Can't be within 12 feet of them? Veerrry bad? I might swell up and die? Do you take dinars?

638 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:53:21pm

re: #630 Macha

Hi to you?

639 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:53:25pm

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

Want to know what is cool... turkey shoots in Pennsylvania. when I was growing up, we went two times a year, spring and fall. It's like a carnival, with lots of guns, gun games, shooting competitions, rides, hard money gambling games and LOT'S OF BOOZE.

Open carry all around. Amazing how careful drunks are when there is a lot of firearms around. I saw a lot of drunken brawls break out, usually over the hard money gambling games... probably went for a good 20 times...

Never saw anyone ever hurt from a gun.


Except the turkey.

640 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:53:46pm

From what I've seen, we'd be better adopting more of the Israelis approach to airport security - behavioural screening - which seems to have an extremely high success rate.

641 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:53:57pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Liberty Central, Inc. Apparently it's a non-profit. The DNS shows that it's based out of Fairfax, VA. Post office box there. The email contact is located at hilssdale.edu which is perhaps a misspelling for Hillsdale College?

got a problem with Hillsdale?

642 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:54:02pm

re: #625 brookly red

screen everyone.

As best we can.

643 doubter4444  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:54:03pm

re: #606 brookly red

what are the implications?

Mostly the blurring of the line between advocacy and impartially.
I understand that she is a private citizen and that there is no law against it, but it does but it seems weird.
Working as a republican in a mainstream way, understandable, but supporting and growing the tenets of the Tea Parties, and the hard core libertarian and extreme views that many who organize these groups seems out of bounds.
And Ice's comment above ids well taken, if Sotomayors' husband started a move on, the fucking hue and cry from the right would break windows, one has to admit that.

644 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #601 tradewind

Who's outraged? Is Glen Beck doing a special or something?

Hot Air, Crazy pam, Instapundit, JWF, etc.
Crazy Pam sez...

This is seriously sick. O-propaganda from the New York Times. Seriously sick shiz. We are under culture seige. The Tines and their media comrades will sell their mother to ram through socialized medicine. Oganda -- the country that used to be America.


Andrew Morris Via Instapundit...

Since I suspect the NYT editors are not familiar with Christian imagery, they might not realize that this is not the best time of year to associate Obama with a cross – we’re in the midst of Lent and still have the passion to come. The whole “suffers, dies and descends to hell” part might be a bit of the Easter story they’d rather not associate with Obama right now. Plus he’s sort of in the Caesar/Pilate/Herod role right now as president (depending on how powerful one thinks the president is). Maybe Easter bunnies and chocolate would be a better theme – I’d rather think of the health care plan as a free basket of chocolate brought by a magical animal than as something on which I am going to suffer and die to redeem the sins of others, even if the latter is a more accurate description.

Doug Ross...

The White House, a tiny, nearly transparent reflection, is located below the President; it seemingly says that the man is bigger than the office. He is more real. He is more important. He is the One.

Lol

645 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:54:35pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Liberty Central, Inc. Apparently it's a non-profit. The DNS shows that it's based out of Fairfax, VA. Post office box there. The email contact is located at hilssdale.edu which is perhaps a misspelling for Hillsdale College?

[Link: www.hillsdale.edu...]

Virginia Thomas named Counselor to the President of Hillsdale College. 10/11/2009

646 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:54:50pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Liberty Central, Inc. Apparently it's a non-profit. The DNS shows that it's based out of Fairfax, VA. Post office box there. The email contact is located at hilssdale.edu which is perhaps a misspelling for Hillsdale College?

That's right.

The group plans to issue score cards for Congress members and be involved in the November election, although Thomas would not specify how. She said it would accept donations from various sources -- including corporations -- as allowed under campaign finance rules recently loosened by the Supreme Court.

"I adore all the new citizen patriots who are rising up across this country," Thomas, who goes by Ginni, said on the panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference. "I have felt called to the front lines with you, with my fellow citizens, to preserve what made America great."


In fall 2008, when Thomas joined Hillsdale College as an administrator, she called the school's Washington campus "the safest place for me to be when it comes to conflicts." Her new endeavor could signal a return from that shelter.

Although Liberty Central is a nonpartisan group, its website shows an affinity for conservative principles. Her biography notes that Thomas is a fan of Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, author of "Men in Black: How the Supreme Court is Destroying America."

"She is intrigued by Glenn Beck and listening carefully," the bio says.


As a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, Liberty Central can raise unlimited amounts of corporate money and largely avoid disclosing its donors.

Because of a recent Supreme Court decision, Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission, the group may also spend corporate money freely to advocate for or against candidates for office.

647 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:54:57pm

re: #645 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.hillsdale.edu...]

Virginia Thomas named Counselor to the President of Hillsdale College. 10/11/2009

Ah, OK. Thanks.

648 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:55:00pm

re: #637 Escaped Hillbilly

Doctor, how much to write me a note saying I'm allergic to dogs? Can't be within 12 feet of them? Veerrry bad? I might swell up and die? Do you take dinars?

no problem, get on line B for the full scan & cavity search... next.

649 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:55:38pm

re: #641 brookly red

got a problem with Hillsdale?

Nope. The whois has it misspelled.

650 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:56:05pm

re: #640 Jimmah

I hate airports, people who walk around with guns in plain sight and duty free shopping - i'd be fucked.

But i love flying. meh.

651 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:56:08pm

Denis Thatcher set a good example for political spouses.

He was there for the sometimes gruesome photo-opportunities but refrained from interviews. There were times when because of his dignity and obvious modesty he was probably more popular with the public than his wife. And although he distrusted the press, allegedly labelling them “reptiles”, he would often join them for a drink during moments of relaxation on her travels, warning against putting ice in his gin and tonics because it “diluted the alcohol”.
A man of sharp right-wing views Sir Denis rarely allowed them to be broadcast. He seemed happy to be seen as a prop for his wife. In her memoirs she said: “He was a fund of shrewd advice and penetrating comment. And he very sensibly saved these for me rather than the outside world.”
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
652 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:56:43pm

re: #644 Killgore Trout

Lol

Looks like a Red Cross cross to me. End of story.

653 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:57:01pm

re: #644 Killgore Trout

Andrew Morris Via Instapundit...

Since I suspect the NYT editors are not familiar with Christian imagery

Huh.

654 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:57:01pm

re: #636 SanFranciscoZionist

Within the United States, I would say that our range of terrorists has been broad enough that we really can't characterize very well.

so profile everyone...race, ethnicity, country, destination, behavior, baggage, return destination, etc...

655 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:57:09pm

re: #643 doubter4444

Mostly the blurring of the line between advocacy and impartially.
I understand that she is a private citizen and that there is no law against it, but it does but it seems weird.
Working as a republican in a mainstream way, understandable, but supporting and growing the tenets of the Tea Parties, and the hard core libertarian and extreme views that many who organize these groups seems out of bounds.
And Ice's comment above ids well taken, if Sotomayors' husband started a move on, the fucking hue and cry from the right would break windows, one has to admit that.

well she could support the GOP, or the Greens, or the Dems. or the Working Families, whats it to yah?

656 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:57:57pm

re: #628 tradewind

Abdul's revenge: I hear American Idol sucks since they sacked her.
:)

clearly somebody is sucking somebody on that show

657 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:58:42pm

re: #637 Escaped Hillbilly

Doctor, how much to write me a note saying I'm allergic to dogs? Can't be within 12 feet of them? Veerrry bad? I might swell up and die? Do you take dinars?

Gosh I hope I don't get in trouble here.. I think dinars are a good investment..Right now it's like monoply money... You can a shit load of dinars cheap right now.. But this is a country that is beginning to stabalize that has just a boat load of oil...Never bet against oil...Buy a million dinars and just hang out and wait for a few years..They have fucking oil everywhere there folks..
/Sorry Charles...

658 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 6:59:15pm

re: #654 albusteve


Lets do it at all the bus terminals and metro stations too...

and the range of individual movement comes down too... walking distance?

659 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:00:30pm

re: #657 HoosierHoops

Gosh I hope I don't get in trouble here.. I think dinars are a good investment..Right now it's like monoply money... You can a shit load of dinars cheap right now.. But this is a country that is beginning to stabalize that has just a boat load of oil...Never bet against oil...Buy a million dinars and just hang out and wait for a few years..They have fucking oil everywhere there folks..
/Sorry Charles...

I bought a million for 900 bucks... they are doing better than many stocks.

660 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:00:39pm

re: #639 Macha

Except the turkey.

That's the whole point. And really, they have a bunker in the field, at 300 feet, and they stick the live turkey's head up through a hole in the bunker, and you paid a dollar and you get one 22 short to hit the turkey's head at 300 feet.

Not easy. They didn't give away that many turkey's.

661 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:01:18pm

re: #650 wozzablog

I hate airports, people who walk around with guns in plain sight and duty free shopping - i'd be fucked.

But i love flying. meh.

Me too. Love flying - hate most airports. I'm hoping they are trained to tell the difference between terrorist behaviour and that of someone who is just pissed off to be stuck in the middle of a sea of loud British travellers :)

662 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #657 HoosierHoops

Gosh I hope I don't get in trouble here.. I think dinars are a good investment..Right now it's like monoply money... You can a shit load of dinars cheap right now.. But this is a country that is beginning to stabalize that has just a boat load of oil...Never bet against oil...Buy a million dinars and just hang out and wait for a few years..They have fucking oil everywhere there folks..
/Sorry Charles...

oh man, you've done it now...my gold is creeping up to five times what I paid for it...shameful

663 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:02:04pm

re: #660 Walter L. Newton

That's the whole point. And really, they have a bunker in the field, at 300 feet, and they stick the live turkey's head up through a hole in the bunker, and you paid a dollar and you get one 22 short to hit the turkey's head at 300 feet.

Not easy. They didn't give away that many turkey's.

/we have a similar game here in Brooklyn... don't be a turkey.

664 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:02:10pm

re: #661 Jimmah

Give me a gun and i'd shoot most loud british travellers...

665 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:02:30pm

re: #658 wozzablog

Lets do it at all the bus terminals and metro stations too...

and the range of individual movement comes down too... walking distance?

whatever it takes...it's a life and death situation

666 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:02:48pm

re: #662 albusteve

oh man, you've done it now...my gold is creeping up to five times what I paid for it...shameful

silver is good too.

667 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:03:22pm

re: #640 Jimmah

From what I've seen, we'd be better adopting more of the Israelis approach to airport security - behavioural screening - which seems to have an extremely high success rate.

Quite Concur.

668 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:03:35pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

Might make for a great overnight thread photo.

669 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:03:59pm

re: #660 Walter L. Newton

That's the whole point. And really, they have a bunker in the field, at 300 feet, and they stick the live turkey's head up through a hole in the bunker, and you paid a dollar and you get one 22 short to hit the turkey's head at 300 feet.

Not easy. They didn't give away that many turkey's.

a 22 short is just a powerful BB...they bounce off me...
gobble gobble

670 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:04:18pm

re: #664 wozzablog

Give me a gun and i'd shoot most loud british travellers...

and somewhere in Washington a little red light goes on...

671 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:04:52pm

US presses for Israeli concessions

By HERB KEINON IN J'LEM, HILARY LEILA KRIEGER IN W


Moves would include canceling Ramat Shlomo project, freeing Palestinian prisoners.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Haven't noticed a great deal of concern from this administration over Gilad Shalit.

672 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:04:59pm

Oh man I am literally losing my voice to this flu.

673 doubter4444  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:05:15pm

re: #603 tradewind

Have you ever read any of Thomas' written opinions?
They are thoughtful, extremely articulate, and elegantly crafted.

I have (not many all the way through, only extracts, an I'm not a lawyer), and I respectfully disagree, they seem...shallow.

674 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:05:18pm

re: #666 brookly red

silver is good too.

only until Glenn Beck buys it...hahaha!...what a bunch of dopes!

675 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #665 albusteve

So is crossing the street. We look both ways - listen for the oncoming car - but we get to the other side in short enough order. Sometimes though - you just get blindsided and can't do anything about it.

Economy's gotta move. People have got to move. People fall through the cracks.

No matter how fine a sieve. It's an unfortnate fact of life.

676 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:05:33pm

re: #659 brookly red

I bought a million for 900 bucks... they are doing better than many stocks.

Iraq! The great American success Story...Buy dinars..
Those dudes have freaking oil out the butt..That money will be worth something someday..

677 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:05:41pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, me too. I'm sure you'd be really tolerant if I referred to a conservative politician's distict as the 'home base of the Klan', and then acted as though I just mean to say he wasn't a liberal.

Lady (if that isn't an insult), you've got it all going tonight.
[thumbs up]

678 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:06:52pm

re: #645 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.hillsdale.edu...]

Virginia Thomas named Counselor to the President of Hillsdale College. 10/11/2009

Looks like Hillsdale opened a new office in DC. They're located at 227 Massachusetts Avenue, N.E. So, let's make a conspiracy! That's two blocks away from 133 C Street NE. Or the infamous C-Street building!

679 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:06:58pm

re: #392 tradewind

Almost as much so as drawing that conclusion.
Dude.
Seriously, I'm amazed that there's not a mass exodus every time an Onion post surfaces.

You are no onion.

680 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:07:09pm

re: #664 wozzablog

Give me a gun and i'd shoot most loud british travellers...

That's just how I felt last time I was in Manchester airport...lol. What a hellhole.

681 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:07:37pm

re: #670 brookly red


I'll pull the bad taste crank on that one myself.

682 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:07:56pm

re: #676 HoosierHoops

Iraq! The great American success Story...Buy dinars..
Those dudes have freaking oil out the butt..That money will be worth something someday..

well it's a safe bet, like buying Yen in 1946 it can only go up... my friends who bought Euros are singing the blues...

683 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:07:59pm

re: #675 wozzablog

So is crossing the street. We look both ways - listen for the oncoming car - but we get to the other side in short enough order. Sometimes though - you just get blindsided and can't do anything about it.

Economy's gotta move. People have got to move. People fall through the cracks.

No matter how fine a sieve. It's an unfortnate fact of life.

yes it is...but we could do more to enhance our security, and I don't give a shit about PC...we have a problem, a huge problem actually and we're simply fucked...we are gonna get hit again, big time

684 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:08:36pm

re: #660 Walter L. Newton

That's the whole point. And really, they have a bunker in the field, at 300 feet, and they stick the live turkey's head up through a hole in the bunker, and you paid a dollar and you get one 22 short to hit the turkey's head at 300 feet.

Not easy. They didn't give away that many turkey's.

Gee, good clean fun. Shoot the live turkey in the head. Pennsylvanians are also big fans of pigeon shoots. There you can get liquored up and shoot live pigeons let loose from traps. Blow those suckers to kingdom come. Of course it is OK that the kids run around and stomp the still living ones to death, or throw them into the garbage still alive and kicking. I am not against guns. I think open carry is just fine. Grew up with guns. I just purely hate people having fun by shooting helpless fowl or any other animal for that matter. It is a form of sadism that has somehow gained public acceptance.

685 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:08:40pm

re: #640 Jimmah

From what I've seen, we'd be better adopting more of the Israelis approach to airport security - behavioural screening - which seems to have an extremely high success rate.

There is no question about it! Trouble is, the procedures at TLV are incredibly time consuming and could never be done on a large scale without requiring everyone to turn up at the airport at least 4 hours before flight time. At airports like ATL and ORD it would be more like 6 hours during peak times.

686 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:09:11pm

re: #672 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man I am literally losing my voice to this flu.

Don't hesitate to seek treatment if you need it. The flu can kill if its very bad.

687 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:09:18pm
688 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:09:30pm

re: #671 MJ

US presses for Israeli concessions

By HERB KEINON IN J'LEM, HILARY LEILA KRIEGER IN W

Moves would include canceling Ramat Shlomo project, freeing Palestinian prisoners.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Haven't noticed a great deal of concern from this administration over Gilad Shalit.

I hope Bibi stands firm and tells them to fuck off.

What "confidence-building measures" has Abbas done, ever ever?

689 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:09:32pm

re: #672 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man I am literally losing my voice to this flu.

I must have the same thing - I sound like Barry White.

690 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:09:40pm

re: #681 wozzablog

I'll pull the bad taste crank on that one myself.

/too late your on the no fly list... ;)

691 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:09:43pm

re: #676 HoosierHoops

Iraq! The great American success Story...Buy dinars..
Those dudes have freaking oil out the butt..That money will be worth something someday..

hell yeah...I'm all tied up for now but if I had it, I'd buy some...money rules, cash is king

692 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:10:17pm

re: #684 Macha

Gee, good clean fun. Shoot the live turkey in the head. Pennsylvanians are also big fans of pigeon shoots. There you can get liquored up and shoot live pigeons let loose from traps. Blow those suckers to kingdom come. Of course it is OK that the kids run around and stomp the still living ones to death, or throw them into the garbage still alive and kicking. I am not against guns. I think open carry is just fine. Grew up with guns. I just purely hate people having fun by shooting helpless fowl or any other animal for that matter. It is a form of sadism that has somehow gained public acceptance.

Gained... I'm 57, I was in my teens when I was going to turkey shoots... and they have been around for ages...

Tell it to PETA.

693 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:10:39pm

re: #683 albusteve

yes it is...but we could do more to enhance our security, and I don't give a shit about PC...we have a problem, a huge problem actually and we're simply fucked...we are gonna get hit again, big time

no we're not fucked. Yes, we're going to get hit and yes that hit will kill some of us, but that doesn't mean we lose. We keep right on going. We'll lose some skirmishes, but we will win the big battles and we will win the war.

694 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:10:39pm

re: #683 albusteve

we are gonna get hit again, big time

Regardless.

It's probably going to happen however tight things are.

Israel is the most buttoned up society on earth security wise - they still have problems. America ios a vast country with a huge variety of targets that, if hit, could cause catastrophic damage.

You can reduce the likelyhood - but not eliminate it.

I didn't say anything about being PC though - you put that into my mouth.

695 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:11:00pm

re: #636 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe, but I would not classify every person who wreaks havoc or perpetrates an act of violence against the citizenry as a terrorist ( though they may strike terror in their victims) in the same vein as I would classify a terrorist who has an agenda of eliminating a state or a people through massive acts of violence. Sometimes it seems in an effort to dilute the definition or broaden the genre of ' terrorist ', we tend to group all violent acts together under that umbrella.

696 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:11:19pm

re: #685 bratwurst

There is no question about it! Trouble is, the procedures at TLV are incredibly time consuming and could never be done on a large scale without requiring everyone to turn up at the airport at least 4 hours before flight time. At airports like ATL and ORD it would be more like 6 hours during peak times.

We showed up at Ben Gurion four hours before our flight, and spent 2 hours just standing around at the check-in counter before the US Airways came to check us in.

Other than that, Ben Gurion is a kick-ass airport!

697 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:11:25pm

re: #690 brookly red

With Al Gore and the late Ted Kennedy - i'm in good company.

698 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:11:47pm

re: #693 Dark_Falcon

no we're not fucked. Yes, we're going to get hit and yes that hit will kill some of us, but that doesn't mean we lose. We keep right on going. We'll lose some skirmishes, but we will win the big battles and we will win the war.

the stakes are getting higher...

699 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:12:45pm

re: #682 brookly red

well it's a safe bet, like buying Yen in 1946 it can only go up... my friends who bought Euros are singing the blues...

I collect money..I sent Walter the original Euro collector's set sent out to all European Citizens upon release..Very rare on the Market..
I work on finding all the coins I can from the 13th Century.. It's how I roll..It's my hobby..Money

700 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:12:48pm

re: #697 wozzablog

With Al Gore and the late Ted Kennedy - i'm in good company.

/you call 2 stiffs good company?

701 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:12:56pm

Anybody watch The Pacific?

702 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:13:08pm

re: #670 brookly red
Seriously. We've all seen what happens when a stray Code Pink slips into a post... imagine what will happen when the humorless get a whiff of murder most foul.//

703 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:13:33pm

re: #699 HoosierHoops

I collect money..I sent Walter the original Euro collector's set sent out to all European Citizens upon release..Very rare on the Market..
I work on finding all the coins I can from the 13th Century.. It's how I roll..It's my hobby..Money

I just horde pre 64 silver...

704 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:13:38pm

re: #701 Jadespring

Anybody watch The Pacific?

I can't even see it from here?

705 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:14:16pm

re: #696 Alouette

We showed up at Ben Gurion four hours before our flight, and spent 2 hours just standing around at the check-in counter before the US Airways came to check us in.

Other than that, Ben Gurion is a kick-ass airport!

World's safest airport...but anyone who thinks Mr. Business Traveler and the US airline industry are going to stand still for such enormous inconvenience, you are just not being realistic.

706 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:15:11pm

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

Thanks I will. I may run in for Tamiflu. This one is weird. I had all my vaccinations. Usually a flu starts as a flu then becomes a cold. This one was the other way 'round. Now it is settling in my throat.

But hey Dragon_Lady may enjoy the break, if this goes laryngitis.:)>

The sweetie just made me tea with lemon.

707 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:15:13pm

re: #702 tradewind

Seriously. We've all seen what happens when a stray Code Pink slips into a post... imagine what will happen when the humorless get a whiff of murder most foul.//

lemmie think on dat...

708 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:15:29pm

re: #693 Dark_Falcon

It's an impossible war to win.


Always has been, always will be.


There is going to be no surrender or victory speeches, no parades to mark the end of the "war on terror", the "war on extremism", the war on "islamofascism"...

It's just going to keep on keeping on. War without end.

709 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:15:30pm

re: #629 Killgore Trout

There are two competing interests here. The spouses of the justices are private citizens and are free to associate and politick as they see fit. That's their right as any ordinary American.

The other problem is the appearance of policy implications. How would a justice rule if their spouse were entertaining political views on which they may rule upon?

For the justices, they have to fulfill their obligations under the law and the ethics codes. We do have to give a certain amount of trust to the justices (and indeed any judge) to do so.

Bear in mind that the US S.Ct. at one point had a former President of the US sit on the bench. Taft (appointed by Harding). He served as Chief Justice in fact.

He appointed his predecessor and successor to the Court. It was unprecedented. He managed to do a decent job as CJ of the Court and he considered his service on the Court a high point of his career.

So, the Thomas thing it bears watching, but I don't think it will be a problem in the long run.

710 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:15:40pm

re: #702 tradewind

It wasn't Code Pink that was the problem. It was NAMBLA.

Remember?

711 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:16:01pm

re: #700 brookly red

Better Ted 6 months in the ground than most of the current GOP causus.

712 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:16:30pm

re: #710 Obdicut

I thought the problem was always unwed lesbian single mothers of colour...

713 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:17:09pm

re: #705 bratwurst

World's safest airport...but anyone who thinks Mr. Business Traveler and the US airline industry are going to stand still for such enormous inconvenience, you are just not being realistic.

Nudist Airlines™. Fastest airline travel in the globe. Board nude and then put on a complimentary cloth-paper jump in the cabin.

No security waiting lines.

/

714 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:17:15pm

re: #705 bratwurst

World's safest airport...but anyone who thinks Mr. Business Traveler and the US airline industry are going to stand still for such enormous inconvenience, you are just not being realistic.

Their exit interviews are right to the point. They could tell right away we were traveling on our own, not part of a group, so we were asked how well do we speak Hebrew, do we have family in Israel (our daughter in Safed) and did we ever live in Israel.

715 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:17:17pm

re: #703 brookly red

I just horde pre 64 silver...

I sent Walter some really old Chinese Bills..He did the research on them..
Walter rocks...He is really good people..He sent me a meteorite from North Africa...

716 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:17:32pm

re: #711 wozzablog

Better Ted 6 months in the ground than most of the current GOP causus.

well you have made you leaning quite clear already... so how is the brown thing working for you?

717 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:17:54pm

re: #688 Alouette

I hope Bibi stands firm and tells them to fuck off.

What "confidence-building measures" has Abbas done, ever ever?

Wonder what kind of reception Clinton will receive at AIPAC's conference?
Speaking of AIPAC, they released a statement today too:

"AIPAC issued a statement of its own Sunday night, calling the Obama administration’s recent statements on Israel “a matter of serious concern.”

In rare public criticism of the US government, AIPAC said the administration “should make a conscious effort to move away from public demands and unilateral deadlines directed at Israel,” stressing the shared strategic interests between the two countries.

“The escalated rhetoric of recent days only serves as a distraction from the substantive work that needs to be done to with regard to the urgent issue of Iran's rapid pursuit of nuclear weapons, and the pursuit of peace between Israel and all her Arab neighbors,” the statement continues, strong urging the US to work “closely and privately” with Israel “in a manner befitting strategic allies” to address any outstanding issues.

AIPAC also called on the administration to defuse the tension that has arisen with the Israeli government.


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

718 palomino  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:18:07pm

re: #682 brookly red

Red, just curious--what co. did you buy dinars from?

719 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:18:30pm

re: #713 Gus 802

Nudist Airlines™. Fastest airline travel in the globe. Board nude and then put on a complimentary cloth-paper jump in the cabin.

No security waiting lines.

/

careful what you ask for... Nancy won't fly on our dime much longer.

720 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:18:56pm

Sadness:
Pastor Doris Jean Louis Murdered in Haiti
[Link: mercyjourney.blogspot.com...]

My pastor cites:
Treasure in Jars of Clay
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. 8 We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10 always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11 For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So death is at work in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 4:7-12
[Link: bible.logos.com...]

721 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:19:00pm

re: #715 HoosierHoops

I sent Walter some really old Chinese Bills..He did the research on them..
Walter rocks...He is really good people..He sent me a meteorite from North Africa...

This week I'm selling plots or land on Mars.

722 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:19:13pm

Attention passengers. Please proceed to the security checkpoint line. Passengers that are nude can proceed directly to the gate.

/

723 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:19:40pm

re: #716 brookly red

brown thing?

Please, no more cracks at John Boenhers exspense.

724 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:20:11pm

re: #713 Gus 802

Okay, but only if I can wear a blindfold in line!

725 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:20:17pm

re: #719 brookly red

careful what you ask for... Nancy won't fly on our dime much longer.

She won't? Election wise?

726 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:21:19pm

re: #724 Rightwingconspirator

Okay, but only if I can wear a blindfold in line!

We only have a dental floss blindfold with a matching dental floss thong. Would you like to try that?

/

727 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:21:26pm

re: #714 Alouette

Their exit interviews are right to the point. They could tell right away we were traveling on our own, not part of a group, so we were asked how well do we speak Hebrew, do we have family in Israel (our daughter in Safed) and did we ever live in Israel.

Last time I left Israel, I had stamps in my passport from a day trip to Petra in Jordan. You can imagine how much that added to the already extensive interview! I didn't mind at all...but again, imagine every American business traveler being subjected to something even 10% as intensive. It ain't going to happen, and the already struggling industry will be the ones who make sure it doesn't.

728 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:21:26pm

re: #718 palomino

Red, just curious--what co. did you buy dinars from?

the fist batch from betoniraq.com, but mostly I had a Capt. bring them home for me...

729 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:21:33pm

re: #725 Gus 802

She has use of a plane that some people object her to using - being third in line tothe presidency and all.

Greyhounds good enough for regular folks.

/

730 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:21:43pm

A conservative may tell you that you shouldn't make fun of something. "You shouldn't make fun of cripples," he may say. And he may be right. But a liberal will tell you, "You can't make fun of cripples." And he's wrong- as anybody who's heard the one about Helen Keller falling into a well and breaking three fingers calling for help can tell you.
-- P. J. O'Rourke

731 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:22:23pm

re: #725 Gus 802

She won't? Election wise?

seems that way...

732 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:22:39pm

re: #729 wozzablog

She has use of a plane that some people object her to using - being third in line tothe presidency and all.

Greyhounds good enough for regular folks.

/

Oh yeah, I remember she wanted her own AF aircraft. I suppose it could have been a Navy aircraft too.

733 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:22:50pm

re: #727 bratwurst

Last time I left Israel, I had stamps in my passport from a day trip to Petra in Jordan. You can imagine how much that added to the already extensive interview! I didn't mind at all...but again, imagine every American business traveler being subjected to something even 10% as intensive. It ain't going to happen, and the already struggling industry will be the ones who make sure it doesn't.

When we went to Israel, they didn't even stamp our passports, just put a slip of paper in them. This was so we wouldn't be refused entry to the Arab nations on our next stops. This was a long time ago, do they still do this?

734 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:23:23pm

re: #709 lawhawk
Much thanks for your 2 cents...

Bear in mind that the US S.Ct. at one point had a former President of the US sit on the bench. Taft (appointed by Harding). He served as Chief Justice in fact.

He appointed his predecessor and successor to the Court. It was unprecedented. He managed to do a decent job as CJ of the Court and he considered his service on the Court a high point of his career.


I did not know that.


So, the Thomas thing it bears watching, but I don't think it will be a problem in the long run.

I think you're probably right. After I first read the LA Times article I was thinking it might be a power play by the court. Making a ruling on campaign financing then jumping in to exploit it. That could cause huge problems with the balance of power if they decided to do that. It's clear to me now that it's only one justice and although the LA Times article implies that the ruling benefited his chick, it might not have been a factor. I'm not really comfortable with it but you're right that it might not be terribly significant.

735 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:23:30pm

re: #671 MJ

US presses for Israeli concessions

By HERB KEINON IN J'LEM, HILARY LEILA KRIEGER IN W

Moves would include canceling Ramat Shlomo project, freeing Palestinian prisoners.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Haven't noticed a great deal of concern from this administration over Gilad Shalit.

Has any previous one?

736 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:23:33pm

re: #687 The Sanity Inspector
Awww. I really liked that guy. I had no idea he was that old!

737 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:23:39pm

re: #644 Killgore Trout

Lol

F**k Crazy Pam and her fellow travelers...and not in a good or enjoyable way.

738 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:23:46pm

re: #716 brookly red

Srsly though... ?

739 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:24:20pm

re: #706 Rightwingconspirator
If you think it may be H1N1, ask for Relenza, not Tamiflu.

740 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:24:29pm

re: #726 Gus 802

Dental floss thong sounds painful and somehow epically comedic.

741 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #738 wozzablog

Srsly though... ?

sure, Ted gone Brown in... your thoughts?

742 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:24:53pm

re: #688 Alouette

I hope Bibi stands firm and tells them to fuck off.

What "confidence-building measures" has Abbas done, ever ever?

All he needs to do is 'not be Hamas'. That gets him what he needs.

Feh.

743 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:25:08pm

re: #731 brookly red

seems that way...

I suppose anything's possible. It would have to be another Democrat or an independent considering her district. It'll be a tough challenge. If she were a Senator it would be easier.

744 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:25:08pm

I hope airport security doesn't one day come to this:

Brain scans 'can distinguish memories', say scientists

Scientists say they have been able to tell which past event a person is recalling using a brain scan.

The University College London researchers showed people film clips and were able to predict which ones they were subsequently thinking about.

The research, published in Current Biology, provides insight into how memories are recorded.

The authors hope the findings will ultimately contribute to development of treatments for memory loss.

Previous research has shown brain scans can predict simpler thought processes such as distinguishing between colours, objects or places.

The UCL researchers say recalling memories of past events is a more complex process.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

745 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:25:11pm

re: #721 Walter L. Newton

This week I'm selling plots or land on Mars.

The meteorite is in the safe...Thank you Bitch
*wink*

746 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:25:13pm

re: #701 Jadespring

Anybody watch The Pacific?

I did. It's actually quite good. It'll be on again at 10 CT, and is worth your time.

747 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:26:30pm

re: #743 Gus 802

I suppose anything's possible. It would have to be another Democrat or an independent considering her district. It'll be a tough challenge. If she were a Senator it would be easier.

I don't think many incumbents from either party will survive.

748 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:26:37pm

re: #739 tradewind

I'll ask about it. I suppose Relenza would be good for a regular strain. The lab test to sort out my virus takes days I think.

749 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:26:39pm

re: #695 tradewind

Maybe, but I would not classify every person who wreaks havoc or perpetrates an act of violence against the citizenry as a terrorist ( though they may strike terror in their victims) in the same vein as I would classify a terrorist who has an agenda of eliminating a state or a people through massive acts of violence. Sometimes it seems in an effort to dilute the definition or broaden the genre of ' terrorist ', we tend to group all violent acts together under that umbrella.

I would say that our range of terrorists motivated by a desire to carry out jihad has been broad enough that we can't really characterize a type.

750 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:27:30pm

re: #741 brookly red

Ah.

Not massively happy. Teabaggers claimed he rode their coat tails.

Bad Dem pick, bad dem campaign.

Dem's should have done more to wedge the moderates in Mass out of complacency.

I don't think he'll be one of the high minds in the Senates history.

751 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:27:43pm

re: #749 SanFranciscoZionist

I would say that our range of terrorists motivated by a desire to carry out jihad has been broad enough that we can't really characterize a type.

sure we can, jihadists...

752 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:27:48pm

re: #733 The Sanity Inspector

When we went to Israel, they didn't even stamp our passports, just put a slip of paper in them. This was so we wouldn't be refused entry to the Arab nations on our next stops. This was a long time ago, do they still do this?

Only upon request, but apparently anyone who makes this request has to endure the stink-eye first...or so I have heard recently.

753 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:27:55pm

re: #691 albusteve

hell yeah...I'm all tied up for now but if I had it, I'd buy some...money rules, cash is king

About 3 yr ago my mom joined us for vacation in DisneyWorld. There we encountered what will always be remembered by us as "the cheese of death" at the Rose and Crown Pub. I bet my mom 100 dollars if she would eat it. She did. And I promptly paid her 100 Afghani dollars. (then printed in english). Yes, I later paid her in real US dollars. I would never cheat my mom. But it was funny at the time.
Forgive me if I lurk for a while. My server seems to be overcrowded right now. (hotel wireless)

754 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:27:55pm

re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist

Has any previous one?

We don't see everything that's going on up there.

755 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:28:10pm

The first episode of The Pacific is in the books. What you would expect from Hanks and Spielburg. I will watch the rest of it. Well made, of course.

One would hope that many younger people see this as well. I grew up in the shadow of all of it so it naturally interests me. Sadly though, it seems younger folks have no knowledge of this war at all beyond America dropped the A-bomb and interred the Nisei.

756 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:28:22pm

re: #720 Taqyia2Me

Sadness:
Pastor Doris Jean Louis Murdered in Haiti
[Link: mercyjourney.blogspot.com...]

My pastor cites:
Treasure in Jars of Clay
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. 8 We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10 always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11 For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So death is at work in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 4:7-12
[Link: bible.logos.com...]

That's awful news. My prayers go out to his family and his congregation.

757 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:28:36pm

re: #750 wozzablog

Ah.

Not massively happy. Teabaggers claimed he rode their coat tails.

Bad Dem pick, bad dem campaign.

Dem's should have done more to wedge the moderates in Mass out of complacency.

I don't think he'll be one of the high minds in the Senates history.

you in Mass? just curious...

758 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:28:48pm

re: #744 Jimmah

I hope airport security doesn't one day come to this:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Just imagine the events that inspired this and you'll blow their minds:

759 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:29:05pm

re: #727 bratwurst

Last time I left Israel, I had stamps in my passport from a day trip to Petra in Jordan. You can imagine how much that added to the already extensive interview! I didn't mind at all...but again, imagine every American business traveler being subjected to something even 10% as intensive. It ain't going to happen, and the already struggling industry will be the ones who make sure it doesn't.

We could have bought really cheap tickets from Detroit to Amman. That would have been exciting, but Zedushka doesn't do excitement. We chose the second cheapest tickets on US Airways.

El Al is the best, but they are also the most expensive.

760 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:29:18pm

re: #747 brookly red

I don't think many incumbents from either party will survive.

I think most will. Safely say about a split from the split or maybe 25% won't. As we've seen in Texas with Perry in the gubernatorial primaries. Although that might not be a good example. Mainstream parties will still beat out third parties. There may be a few Tea Party gains but not that many.

761 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:29:54pm
762 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:30:07pm

re: #730 The Sanity Inspector

A conservative may tell you that you shouldn't make fun of something. "You shouldn't make fun of cripples," he may say. And he may be right. But a liberal will tell you, "You can't make fun of cripples." And he's wrong- as anybody who's heard the one about Helen Keller falling into a well and breaking three fingers calling for help can tell you.
-- P. J. O'Rourke

Sadly, too many people have taken this concept, and if you tell them that you don't want to hear their jokes about cripples, they accuse you of being "PEEE-CEEE" and oppressing them.

763 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:30:13pm

re: #760 Gus 802

I think most will. Safely say about a split from the split or maybe 25% won't. As we've seen in Texas with Perry in the gubernatorial primaries. Although that might not be a good example. Mainstream parties will still beat out third parties. There may be a few Tea Party gains but not that many.

well we shall see...

764 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:30:18pm

re: #644 Killgore Trout
Oh. For a minute I thought you meant someone who was worth paying any attention to at all.
(Note to Pam: get a makeup consult. You frighten children).

765 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:31:12pm

re: #743 Gus 802
Pelosi's got the safest seat in the House.
Not many of those left.
Pun intended.

766 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:31:19pm

re: #751 brookly red

Doesn't work - they will always find clean bods who went to backroom prayer services or visited websites/listend to tapes in the privacy of their small clique.

Planners may get flagged - bods often don't, until it's too late.

767 MJ  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:31:42pm

re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist

Has any previous one?

re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist

Has any previous one?

Yes, the Bush State Department called for his release a number of times as have the French.

768 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:32:03pm

re: #751 brookly red

sure we can, jihadists...

True. If only they would, you know, wear special t-shirts or something...

/

769 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:32:17pm

re: #757 brookly red

Nah, the UK.

I just take a keen interest.

770 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:32:40pm

re: #761 iceweasel

I have got to start getting my tea in cans.

771 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:32:41pm

re: #754 The Sanity Inspector

We don't see everything that's going on up there.

True enough.

772 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:32:47pm

re: #765 tradewind

Pelosi's got the safest seat in the House.
Not many of those left.
Pun intended.

Well yeah. That district isn't a good example about the fragility of incumbents. That's asking or hoping to people in the Bay Area to vote for a Republican, John Dennis. Generally speaking most of the people in the Bay Area wouldn't even vote Republican for town dog catcher.

773 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:32:59pm

re: #769 wozzablog

i'm nocturnal here - so i'm awakeduring your news primetime, always read the US blogs, papers far as i could get my hands on, etc.

774 Gitarzan  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:33:44pm

re: #687 The Sanity Inspector

RIP Peter Graves

Damn, I liked him...While he did well in Mission: Impossible and his work hosting a bunch of episodes of Biography for A&E, I still think the high point his his career was playing Captian Oveur in Airplane! ;-P

775 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:34:15pm

re: #766 wozzablog

Doesn't work - they will always find clean bods who went to backroom prayer services or visited websites/listend to tapes in the privacy of their small clique.

Planners may get flagged - bods often don't, until it's too late.

screen every one, like I said...

well that would not stop an inside job but so far so good.

776 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:34:33pm

re: #767 MJ

Yes, the Bush State Department called for his release a number of times as have the French.

Thanks.

777 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:34:48pm

re: #758 Dark_Falcon

Just imagine the events that inspired this and you'll blow their minds:


[Video]

Heh. Btw - I was recently informed that the stalkers think ice and I used CGI to fake the cat sex - seriously.

778 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:35:14pm

re: #759 Alouette

We could have bought really cheap tickets from Detroit to Amman. That would have been exciting, but Zedushka doesn't do excitement. We chose the second cheapest tickets on US Airways.

El Al is the best, but they are also the most expensive.

No kidding! I have always wanted to give them my business, but they are just not competitive on price. My first trip down was from Germany via Istanbul on Turkish Airlines...was interesting to see who all was on a flight from Istanbul to Tel Aviv!

BTW: crossing between Israel and Jordan anywhere other than the Eilat/Aqaba crossing is difficult as there are no on-the-spot visas issued.

779 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:35:25pm

re: #772 Gus 802
I kinda doubt they'd allow a dog catcher. It's a sanctuary city, ya know...///

780 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:35:51pm

See, here's John Dennis's stance on abortion:

On Civil Liberties — example, abortion:

Dennis: An intensely personal issue for me — but I don't think it is a settled issue — the Supreme court should never have heard the case of Roe versus Wade — This should never have been legislated from the top down; it should have remained in the states and decided as locally as possible. I don't care which side of the argument you're on, this is something we should all agree on.

Under the Bill of rights, the real battle is between the individual and government. It's patriots who stand up against government ... and fight for their rights across the board.

I'm as concerned as anyone about the safety of my child, anyone's family and the Republic. We should take great care when allowing government to control or legislate laws which usurp our civil liberties.

Forget about. There's no way he can win the Bay Area with a stance like that.

781 palomino  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:36:04pm

re: #728 brookly red

thx, just looked at a few sites...exchange rates all over the place, from 900:1 mil. to 4,000:1 mil.

782 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:36:15pm

re: #780 Gus 802

See, here's John Dennis's stance on abortion:

On Civil Liberties — example, abortion:

Forget about. There's no way he can win the Bay Area with a stance like that.

Oops. Forget about it. Doh!

783 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:36:19pm

re: #775 brookly red

Of course you can screen everyone - but someone who is clean will get through. There are plenty of good college students who always tidy their rooms and never stand on street corners yelling about infidels after friday prayers.

784 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:36:27pm

re: #777 Jimmah

Heh. Btw - I was recently informed that the stalkers think ice and I used CGI to fake the cat sex - seriously.

Wait, the stalker actually think?

/somewhat kidding

785 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:36:42pm

re: #767 MJ

Yes, the Bush State Department called for his release a number of times as have the French.

I can see that there are references to him made in briefing statements of the current State Department. How do I check on when the State Department calls for release specifically? Is there a website to look at?

786 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:36:46pm

re: #780 Gus 802
Yes. He's going to need a much wider stance...

787 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:37:03pm

re: #769 wozzablog

Nah, the UK.

I just take a keen interest.

OK, just asking because the local seem to like him...

788 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:37:11pm

re: #777 Jimmah

That's an amazing sentence.

789 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:37:17pm

re: #786 tradewind

Yes. He's going to need a much wider stance...

He'll have to pull a Romney™. Before he was against it that is. /

790 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:37:52pm

re: #781 palomino

thx, just looked at a few sites...exchange rates all over the place, from 900:1 mil. to 4,000:1 mil.

yeah, nothing firm till the oil starts flowing...

791 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:38:04pm

re: #789 Gus 802
... never mind.

792 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:38:20pm

re: #777 Jimmah

Heh. Btw - I was recently informed that the stalkers think ice and I used CGI to fake the cat sex - seriously.

They probably never seen cats have sex. Or any other mammal having sex including themselves.

793 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:38:49pm

re: #777 Jimmah

Heh. Btw - I was recently informed that the stalkers think ice and I used CGI to fake the cat sex - seriously.

Wow...that is the kind of important things they are discussing over there, huh?

794 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:38:57pm

re: #783 wozzablog

Of course you can screen everyone - but someone who is clean will get through. There are plenty of good college students who always tidy their rooms and never stand on street corners yelling about infidels after friday prayers.

well it is a daunting task.

795 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:39:05pm

re: #692 Walter L. Newton

Gained... I'm 57, I was in my teens when I was going to turkey shoots... and they have been around for ages...

Tell it to PETA.

I like PETA about as much as I like turkey or pigeon shoots. And I'm older than you. Sure they have been around forever. Doesn't mean it is right. My dad was one of the original before barbed wire guys running stock in Montana. He told me from a very young age that you can tell the cut of a man by the way he treats livestock. Yes, he hunted, and fished. But not with cruelty, or for entertainment. I always thought it was good advice.

796 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:39:37pm

re: #787 brookly red

I have a relative up in that part of the world - and pardon the pun, but it's all relative as to who likes him.

He's not a loon - that helps, he has a decent image, that helps - but we only a couple of months in, and i can tell you the centrists of a liberal bent were not appeased, and unless he plays things carefully the centrists with a rightward lean may be disenfranchised.

797 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:39:43pm

re: #791 tradewind

... never mind.

Well, even if Dennis was gay, with a stance like that on abortion he'd lose.

798 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:39:46pm

re: #789 Gus 802

He'll have to pull a Romney™. Before he was against it that is. /

I thought that was a Kerry...

800 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:40:12pm

re: #781 palomino

thx, just looked at a few sites...exchange rates all over the place, from 900:1 mil. to 4,000:1 mil.

They have lots and lots of oil..Just saying

801 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:40:23pm

re: #798 brookly red

I thought that was a Kerry...

They're all like that. But yeah, Kerry made that phrase famous.

802 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:40:35pm

re: #784 Dark_Falcon

Here's one of our kittehs sitting on Jimmah's desk fascinated by the printer. (which is printing out stuff for the visa)

Someone already saw it and rated it-- was that you? :)

I like the music. Sounds very House of Hammer-ish.

803 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:41:18pm

re: #798 brookly red

I thought that was a Kerry...

Kerry is not planning another run. Romney is. Get ready for much MUCH more of this.

804 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:41:57pm

re: #772 Gus 802

Well yeah. That district isn't a good example about the fragility of incumbents. That's asking or hoping to people in the Bay Area to vote for a Republican, John Dennis. Generally speaking most of the people in the Bay Area wouldn't even vote Republican for town dog catcher.

Every time we have a mayoral election, the San Francisco Republicans pick a sacrificial lamb to run, and then pick which Democrat they want, and work for him.

However, San Francisco itself is a relatively conservative region within the Bay Area. (I have, over the years, had to explain to various friends from the moonbattier enclaves of the East Bay that neither Frank Jordan nor Gavin Newsom is a Republican.)

805 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:41:58pm

took me a hundred and ten posts to clean out my micro wave...might be a record

806 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:42:11pm

re: #797 Gus 802
Nobody does straight lines better, Gus.
This time, no pun.
:)

807 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:42:12pm

re: #798 brookly red

I thought that was a Kerry...

Get with the times!! :-)

808 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:42:16pm

re: #802 iceweasel

Here's one of our kittehs sitting on Jimmah's desk fascinated by the printer. (which is printing out stuff for the visa)


[Video]Someone already saw it and rated it-- was that you? :)

I like the music. Sounds very House of Hammer-ish.

Too bad he didn't attack the printer. I like it when cats attack printers! :)

809 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:42:23pm

re: #796 wozzablog

I have a relative up in that part of the world - and pardon the pun, but it's all relative as to who likes him.

He's not a loon - that helps, he has a decent image, that helps - but we only a couple of months in, and i can tell you the centrists of a liberal bent were not appeased, and unless he plays things carefully the centrists with a rightward lean may be disenfranchised.

true, if you believe in centrists... personally I do not.

810 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:42:25pm

re: #777 Jimmah

Heh. Btw - I was recently informed that the stalkers think ice and I used CGI to fake the cat sex - seriously.

Well, I didn't know cats did it missionary.

811 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:43:24pm

re: #779 tradewind

I kinda doubt they'd allow a dog catcher. It's a sanctuary city, ya know...///

Well, there's always Chicken John...

812 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:44:08pm

re: #805 albusteve

took me a hundred and ten posts to clean out my micro wave...might be a record

How many small animals did you explode in there exactly?

813 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:44:14pm

re: #810 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I didn't know cats did it missionary.

they don't

814 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:44:42pm

re: #807 Stanley Sea

Get with the times!! :-)

/ but I just can't dig your party like it's 1917 tunes...

815 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:45:04pm

re: #808 Gus 802

Too bad he didn't attack the printer. I like it when cats attack printers! :)

This cat's a little thug. Jimmah-ski has a video of her slapping a piece of shortbread out of his hand to eat it. (he'll post it later).

She's also the one who stole chicken curry the other night, and she's stolen a sausage out of the skillet while it was still sizzling and cooking.
Jimmah tells me that in my absence she's gotten much, much worse.

816 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:45:27pm

re: #812 bratwurst

How many small animals did you explode in there exactly?

lost count, but they were all tasty...what a mess...my girls are on strike, so I did it myself

817 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:45:32pm

re: #804 SanFranciscoZionist

Every time we have a mayoral election, the San Francisco Republicans pick a sacrificial lamb to run, and then pick which Democrat they want, and work for him.

However, San Francisco itself is a relatively conservative region within the Bay Area. (I have, over the years, had to explain to various friends from the moonbattier enclaves of the East Bay that neither Frank Jordan nor Gavin Newsom is a Republican.)

That's funny because I was going to bring up Frank Jordan. Eventually they hated the man and a lot people used to call him a Republican. It gets more conservative out towards The Avenue or South San Francisco. Then it's spotty in Pacific Heights. I used to house sit with my ex-gf in Pacific Heights. It was her uncle's house. He was a Republican.

818 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:45:33pm

re: #800 HoosierHoops

They have lots and lots of oil..Just saying

I'll bet everyone here wished they had bought Microsoft in the 80's..
Buying into Iraq with all that oil is a visionary buy..
That's all I'll say about that

819 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:46:22pm

re: #809 brookly red

Theyre easy to spot - being as they are the conflicted ones who are prochoice/antistimulus or prostimulus/antichoice.

No one falls into one category entirely - people have mixes of positions. They fall into the middle ground across many issues - find what works for them and they vote for you.

820 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:46:23pm

re: #817 Gus 802

That's funny because I was going to bring up Frank Jordan. Eventually they hated the man and a lot people used to call him a Republican. It gets more conservative out towards The Avenue or South San Francisco. Then it's spotty in Pacific Heights. I used to house sit with my ex-gf in Pacific Heights. It was her uncle's house. He was a Republican.

Poor Frank. I liked him. Around the time he started showering with DJs I got worried about him, but I did like him.

821 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:46:33pm

re: #802 iceweasel

Here's one of our kittehs sitting on Jimmah's desk fascinated by the printer. (which is printing out stuff for the visa)


[Video]Someone already saw it and rated it-- was that you? :)

I like the music. Sounds very House of Hammer-ish.

The music is from the winter olympics figure skating which was on in the background. I think it works, somehow :)

822 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:46:45pm

re: #818 HoosierHoops

I'll bet everyone here wished they had bought Microsoft in the 80's..
Buying into Iraq with all that oil is a visionary buy..
That's all I'll say about that

I just wish I had bought more...

823 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:46:49pm

re: #815 iceweasel

This cat's a little thug. Jimmah-ski has a video of her slapping a piece of shortbread out of his hand to eat it. (he'll post it later).

She's also the one who stole chicken curry the other night, and she's stolen a sausage out of the skillet while it was still sizzling and cooking.
Jimmah tells me that in my absence she's gotten much, much worse.

Ah, so that's the Curry Cat!

824 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:47:12pm

re: #817 Gus 802

Frank Jordan was an asshole who's dick moves transcended political affiliation.

825 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:47:17pm

re: #802 iceweasel

Here's one of our kittehs sitting on Jimmah's desk fascinated by the printer. (which is printing out stuff for the visa)


[Video]Someone already saw it and rated it-- was that you? :)

I like the music. Sounds very House of Hammer-ish.

Yes, I was the one who rated it.

826 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:47:24pm

re: #805 albusteve
Alby:
One large glass measuring cup ( or any glass thingy) filled with white vinegar. Put in microwave. Turn on hi for oh, 3-5 minutes. Let it sit in there for ten or fifteen after that with the door closed.
Open door, take a paper towel, swipe it around a few times and you're done.

827 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:48:23pm

re: #746 Dark_Falcon

I did. It's actually quite good. It'll be on again at 10 CT, and is worth your time.

I watched it too. I was just wondering if anyone else had. I thought it was good but I think I went into it with super high expectations as I just finished watching Band of Brothers again. I am looking forward to next week though. I think it will be good especially when you get into the characters more.

828 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:48:37pm

re: #819 wozzablog

Theyre easy to spot - being as they are the conflicted ones who are prochoice/antistimulus or prostimulus/antichoice.

No one falls into one category entirely - people have mixes of positions. They fall into the middle ground across many issues - find what works for them and they vote for you.

uhhh, I think maybe I will trust the locals... nothing personal.

829 doubter4444  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:49:43pm

re: #709 lawhawk

There are two competing interests here. The spouses of the justices are private citizens and are free to associate and politick as they see fit. That's their right as any ordinary American.

The other problem is the appearance of policy implications. How would a justice rule if their spouse were entertaining political views on which they may rule upon?

For the justices, they have to fulfill their obligations under the law and the ethics codes. We do have to give a certain amount of trust to the justices (and indeed any judge) to do so.

Bear in mind that the US S.Ct. at one point had a former President of the US sit on the bench. Taft (appointed by Harding). He served as Chief Justice in fact.

He appointed his predecessor and successor to the Court. It was unprecedented. He managed to do a decent job as CJ of the Court and he considered his service on the Court a high point of his career.

So, the Thomas thing it bears watching, but I don't think it will be a problem in the long run.

Interesting, thanks.
That's kind of the way I feel, not bugged enough to be disturbed, but it sort of got my radar going, mostly for the cause, not quite mainstream at all, really.

830 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:49:53pm

re: #826 tradewind

Alby:
One large glass measuring cup ( or any glass thingy) filled with white vinegar. Put in microwave. Turn on hi for oh, 3-5 minutes. Let it sit in there for ten or fifteen after that with the door closed.
Open door, take a paper towel, swipe it around a few times and you're done.

wow!...thanks for that, I need those kinds of tips sometimes...my crew is on the patio drinking tequila as if I'm not even here...so I had to do it myself

831 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:49:55pm

re: #823 Gus 802

Ah, so that's the Curry Cat!

Yep! Curry Cat! I love that. New nickname for her now. :)

Since we're at the cat-video portion of the evening, keyboard cat is back:

re: #825 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I was the one who rated it.

Aw thanks!

832 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:50:33pm

re: #815 iceweasel

Now that is a cat that needs some innovative discipline. Grabs food while cooking? Sheesh!

833 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:51:08pm

re: #820 SanFranciscoZionist

Poor Frank. I liked him. Around the time he started showering with DJs I got worried about him, but I did like him.

Like this?

(That's him on the right.)

You remember the shoe incident? Didn't they throw shoes at him once while he was police chief?

834 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:51:17pm

re: #832 Rightwingconspirator

Now that is a cat that needs some innovative discipline. Grabs food while cooking? Sheesh!

you are what you eat...

836 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:52:30pm

re: #831 iceweasel

Aw thanks!

Uh oh. Keyboard Cat came back as Morbidly Obese Keyboard Cat.

:)

//

837 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:53:29pm

re: #832 Rightwingconspirator

Now that is a cat that needs some innovative discipline. Grabs food while cooking? Sheesh!

You don't need innovation for discipline with a cat. Just smack them on the backside with a rolled up newspaper.

838 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:53:50pm

re: #828 brookly red

No offence taken.

Just saying - in response that there are people who are not socially conservative & fiscally conservative or socially liberal & fiscally liberal. There are people who fall into both camps - thats where you find the center, checkbook voters who want what works. If people who are not movement conservatives decide Brown works for them - all wel and good, if not they will get rid. There are only two outcomes - he's re-elected or he isn't.

Mass. is as conflicted a place as any other where bloc voting can be over stated. Two democratic senators and a republican governor for some time examples that.

839 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:54:29pm

re: #837 Dark_Falcon

You don't need innovation for discipline with a cat. Just smack them on the backside with a rolled up newspaper.

Squirt bottle. They run the second they see it.

840 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:55:12pm

re: #778 bratwurst

No kidding! I have always wanted to give them my business, but they are just not competitive on price. My first trip down was from Germany via Istanbul on Turkish Airlines...was interesting to see who all was on a flight from Istanbul to Tel Aviv!

BTW: crossing between Israel and Jordan anywhere other than the Eilat/Aqaba crossing is difficult as there are no on-the-spot visas issued.

We crossed into Israel from Jordan at the General Allenby bridge, or the new one that replaced the old one. I remember it was quite a wait to get across.

The shift in scenery was abrupt. In Jordan, it was nothing but sand, sand, sand, and here and there some forlorn patches of transplanted Australian white pines. Once into Israel, there was greenery and development everywhere.

841 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:55:47pm

re: #839 iceweasel

Squirt bottle. They run the second they see it.

That worked for awhile. Then my cat thought it was a game.

842 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:57:21pm

re: #839 iceweasel

Squirt bottle. They run the second they see it.

Ooh, I had a cat that just stood there (on the counter) and squinted his eyes against the spray. You are lucky.

843 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:57:34pm

re: #838 wozzablog

No offence taken.

Just saying - in response that there are people who are not socially conservative & fiscally conservative or socially liberal & fiscally liberal. There are people who fall into both camps - thats where you find the center, checkbook voters who want what works. If people who are not movement conservatives decide Brown works for them - all wel and good, if not they will get rid. There are only two outcomes - he's re-elected or he isn't.

Mass. is as conflicted a place as any other where bloc voting can be over stated. Two democratic senators and a republican governor for some time examples that.

I don't see conflicted, I see in play. But thats just IMO let's catch up in December... things should be clearer then.

844 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:58:42pm

If I get arrested and have 99 cats, will ya'll tell them I an a nice guy?

845 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:58:44pm

re: #842 Stanley Sea

Ooh, I had a cat that just stood there (on the counter) and squinted his eyes against the spray. You are lucky.

Well, with your testimony and Macha's, I'm dreading teh day they become acclimated to it. They're already Our Furry Overlords...

846 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:01pm

re: #709 lawhawk

There are two competing interests here. The spouses of the justices are private citizens and are free to associate and politick as they see fit. That's their right as any ordinary American.

This is true. But I have some discomfort when the spouses of high-profile public servants are engaged in things that benefit from, or that even have the mere appearance of benefitting from, the spouse's public position, which you talked about here:

The other problem is the appearance of policy implications. How would a justice rule if their spouse were entertaining political views on which they may rule upon?

I worked for a public entity, and I was not in a particularly high profile position, though I was in a position of some authority, and every year, I had to sign a very lengthy statement to certify that neither myself, nor anyone in my immediate family, was doing business with the State that I could havce any influence over in any way.

I never minded signing this thing, I thought it was necessary in order to protect the public trust. I sort of feel that for a person who holds a high-profile public position, the family must be very careful to never do something that gives even a small appearance of benefitting from decisions that the person makes.

847 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:01pm

re: #839 iceweasel

Thats the ticket! The cat will associate you with the newspaper, but not the water. Or so it seems.

848 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:28pm

re: #841 Macha

That worked for awhile. Then my cat thought it was a game.

The squirt bottle works great, especially if you add a little bit of lemon juice or vinegar. I've trained a lot of cats this way and it works for me. My cats hang out in my violin shop so there's lots of fragile things laying around and discipline is very important. My kitten Zoe is just old enough to start coming into the shop. Learning the rules can be difficult at first.

849 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:36pm

re: #842 Stanley Sea

Ooh, I had a cat that just stood there (on the counter) and squinted his eyes against the spray. You are lucky.

Personal log: The human has produced some kind of weapon. I have informed Catfleet Command through the high gain antenna concealed in my tail.

850 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:40pm

re: #839 iceweasel

Squirt bottle. They run the second they see it.

Nah, my mother's cat would force me to use it, then I'd have to clean up after myself.

851 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:42pm

re: #838 wozzablog

You're not local. Do not touch the precious things of the States! /

852 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:45pm

re: #844 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I get arrested and have 99 cats, will ya'll tell them I an a nice guy?

not if you have 99 kimche pots too.

853 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 7:59:52pm

Urglfrp.

854 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:01:56pm

re: #851 iceweasel

You're not local. Do not touch the precious things of the States! /


[Video]

I though we made that clear the last time :)

855 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:02:17pm

re: #830 albusteve
YW. Just let the fumes do the work... no need to stand there and scrub. And it's not toxic, if you care about that stuff.

856 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:02:21pm

re: #843 brookly red

It's the same electoral representatve math as in CA and NY, Dem Senators and GOP Gov, we'll see if it trends or is Mass springs back. They may go for a Dem gov and switch senators - it's not an easy math to call.

We'll see in nov how atleast some of it shakes out.

857 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:02:32pm

re: #848 Killgore Trout

The squirt bottle works great, especially if you add a little bit of lemon juice or vinegar. I've trained a lot of cats this way and it works for me. My cats hang out in my violin shop so there's lots of fragile things laying around and discipline is very important. My kitten Zoe is just old enough to start coming into the shop. Learning the rules can be difficult at first.

OMG you are brave to have them there. We have five, momma and four of the six she presented us with when we took her in from the streets last year. They are all house apes. Nothing is sacred. I like the lemon juice or vinegar addition. That might make the difference.

858 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:02:45pm

re: #853 darthstar

Urglfrp.

Oh, gosh, the cat got him. *removes hat as sign of respect*

859 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:02:56pm

re: #852 brookly red
I'm going to hurl now.

860 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:03:14pm

re: #854 brookly red

With help from the french the first time around.

861 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:03:24pm

As an example of the admirably high knowledge level of some on the AGW denialist side, I present the following

I'm guilty of the bolding in the quote.

35. Mike G:

All greenhouse gases worldwide make up 2 percent of the atmosphere. Only 3.6 percent of these greenhouse gases is CO2. So the atmosphere is less than one-tenth of one percent CO2. Even using the warmists models, if everyone adhered to the economy killing Kyoto Protocol of 1997, the affect on the temperature today – 13 years later – would not be measurable.

In any case, “the planet” does not need saving. It would be just fine even if the atmosphere became 50% CO2 next week. It’s inhabitants however are often made to suffer at the hands of government and organizations of deluded, power-hungry control freaks.
Mar 12, 2010 - 1:38 pm

862 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:03:40pm

re: #858 SteveC

Oh, gosh, the cat got him. *removes hat as sign of respect*

Nah...I'm fine...it's just what I say when I'm late to a thread and I can't make sense of the last 40 or 50 posts and need to catch up.

863 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:04:09pm

re: #856 wozzablog

It's the same electoral representatve math as in CA and NY, Dem Senators and GOP Gov, we'll see if it trends or is Mass springs back. They may go for a Dem gov and switch senators - it's not an easy math to call.

We'll see in nov how atleast some of it shakes out.

true, it is all in play & that I think is good... gotta shake it up once in a while.

864 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:04:58pm

Anybody seen "Highlander: The Source"? Is it worth my time, or should I find something else to watch?

865 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:05:20pm

re: #860 wozzablog

With help from the french the first time around.

yup, & we paid em back in spades :)

866 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:05:26pm
867 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:05:38pm

re: #840 The Sanity Inspector

We crossed into Israel from Jordan at the General Allenby bridge, or the new one that replaced the old one. I remember it was quite a wait to get across.

The shift in scenery was abrupt. In Jordan, it was nothing but sand, sand, sand, and here and there some forlorn patches of transplanted Australian white pines. Once into Israel, there was greenery and development everywhere.

To be fair, Aqaba is a hopping and surprisingly modern and developed town and provides a bit of an urban antidote to the "Israeli Branson" that is Eilat. The crossing took about 20 mins each way last year.

868 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:05:40pm

re: #861 b_sharp

As an example of the admirably high knowledge level of some on the AGW denialist side, I present the following

I'm guilty of the bolding in the quote.
It would be just fine even if the atmosphere became 50% CO2 next week.

Let him put a CO2 meter in a plastic bag, pull it over his head, and see how far up the scale he gets before he passes out.

869 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:06:20pm

re: #863 brookly red

The map is in flux at the moment. Things will need a couple of cycles to settle down.

A change is as good as a rest.

870 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:06:37pm

re: #864 darthstar

Anybody seen "Highlander: The Source"? Is it worth my time, or should I find something else to watch?

Anything but the original Highlander is so bad you should only watch it if you REALLY like total crap.

871 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:06:56pm

RIP: Peter Graves.

872 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:07:08pm

re: #869 wozzablog

The map is in flux at the moment. Things will need a couple of cycles to settle down.

A change is as good as a rest.

play tai chi?

873 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:07:28pm

re: #840 The Sanity Inspector

We crossed into Israel from Jordan at the General Allenby bridge, or the new one that replaced the old one. I remember it was quite a wait to get across.

The shift in scenery was abrupt. In Jordan, it was nothing but sand, sand, sand, and here and there some forlorn patches of transplanted Australian white pines. Once into Israel, there was greenery and development everywhere.

That's why the King of Jordan doesn't like "settlements." It makes him look bad.

874 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:07:33pm

re: #870 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything but the original Highlander is so bad you should only watch it if you REALLY like total crap.

That's what I figured. No Sean Connery, no watchy.

875 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:07:43pm

re: #846 reine.de.tout

I sort of feel that for a person who holds a high-profile public position, the family must be very careful to never do something that gives even a small appearance of benefitting from decisions that the person makes.


I think that's part of what makes me uncomfortable with this situation. It does seem like they are intentionally pushing the boundaries. I'm also very uncomfortable with the ruling on campaign finance which is the secondary issue here. It allows companies, who may be owned by foreign governments, to make unlimited political contributions anonymously. When it come to the Tea Parties which are pimped by FoX News which is partially owned by the Saudis. The Russians love the Tea Parties and Ron Paul (frequently featured on Russia Today; Formerly PRAVDA) and I worry about their money which may influence our internal politics but also our Supreme Court. I also find it very troubling that Thomas' wife is a Glenn Beck fan. This is influence close to the Supreme court I'm just not comfortable with.

876 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:07:49pm

re: #872 brookly red

White with two sugars - hold the biscotti.

;-)

877 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:08:04pm

re: #863 brookly red

true, it is all in play & that I think is good... gotta shake it up once in a while.

Agreed. We have two parties for a reason. If you have only one party in power all the time you get Chicago (which I love but has grave problems).

878 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:08:17pm

re: #870 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything but the original Highlander is so bad you should only watch it if you REALLY like total crap.

There can be only one!

879 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:08:54pm

re: #857 Macha

It works very well. I've raised several generations of shop cats. Even my most problematic cats will behave themselves in my shop.

880 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:08:59pm

re: #876 wozzablog

White with two sugars - hold the biscotti.

;-)

chi party!

881 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:09:09pm

re: #870 SanFranciscoZionist

Being a sometime devotee of the tv series i can attest to that being absoluety the case.

I am the man though who just ordered "Major League Three" on import dvd.

My taste, or lack of, in all things is legend.

882 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:09:12pm

re: #870 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything but the original Highlander is so bad you should only watch it if you REALLY like total crap.

I respect that view, but I think that Adrian Paul had his moments in the series.

883 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:10:15pm

I have 13 pounds of chicken in the oven. Tomorrow, mashed taters. Ya'll don't know what you're missin'.

884 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:10:33pm

re: #867 bratwurst

To be fair, Aqaba is a hopping and surprisingly modern and developed town and provides a bit of an urban antidote to the "Israeli Branson" that is Eilat. The crossing took about 20 mins each way last year.

Did you get to Petra? I thought it was fascinating. I missed the day trip to Aqaba because of a vicious stomach bug. I was lucky that the hotel room's bathtub was within hurling distance of the toilet. :/

885 Macha  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:10:38pm

re: #879 Killgore Trout

It works very well. I've raised several generations of shop cats. Even my most problematic cats will behave themselves in my shop.

I'll definitely try the enhanced squirt bottle. Thanks for the info.

886 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:10:53pm

re: #870 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything but the original Highlander is so bad you should only watch it if you REALLY like total crap.

Heh. The TV series was good in a it's-so-bad-it's-actually-fun sort of way. (Okay, the fact it was on at 2 AM and I sometimes had trouble sleeping might have had something to do with it.)

887 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:10:56pm

I made like an eight fuckin' pound lasagna tonight...for two. But hey, what's the point in making lasagna if you're not going to make a full-sized one?

Oh, and I had fresh lamb loin chops for dinner. Ha!

SFZ is right...ten minutes in, and this film is total crap.

888 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:11:12pm

I suppose its a good thing Joe Biden isn't planning on visiting Israel tomorrow, He'd be really cheesed off at the poor timing.

Jerusalem police will deploy 2.500 policemen in east Jerusalem ahead of dedication of the Hurva synagogue in the Old City's Jewish Quarter on Monday. Police are wary of riots erupting following the dedication.

Referring to the planned synagogue dedication, Palestinian officials on Sunday called on Muslims to ascend the Al-Aqsa mosque in East Jerusalem Monday in order to protect it from alleged Israeli attempts to replace the mosque with a Jewish temple.

889 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:11:20pm

re: #883 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have 13 pounds of chicken in the oven. Tomorrow, mashed taters. Ya'll don't know what you're missin'.

Ha! Between us, we've got 21 pounds of food.

890 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:11:27pm

re: #855 tradewind

YW. Just let the fumes do the work... no need to stand there and scrub. And it's not toxic, if you care about that stuff.

nah...my body is a toxic waste dump

891 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:11:30pm

re: #883 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have 13 pounds of chicken in the oven. Tomorrow, mashed taters. Ya'll don't know what you're missin'.

sssh, the salt police are listening...

892 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:11:40pm

re: #870 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything but the original Highlander is so bad you should only watch it if you REALLY like total crap.

Coming up next! Renegade, staring Lorenzo Lamas.

/

893 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:12:21pm

You could always train your cat to do this:

894 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:12:40pm

re: #892 Gus 802

that was superb. again, in a 2am student deadline putting off work kind of a fashion.

895 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:12:49pm

re: #878 LudwigVanQuixote

There can be only one!

... and Highlander:The Source ain't it.

896 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:13:11pm

re: #889 darthstar

Ha! Between us, we've got 21 pounds of food.

Um, hate to say this..I make the greatest lasagna know to man. And I ain't bragging.

897 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:13:19pm

re: #888 Mich-again

I suppose its a good thing Joe Biden isn't planning on visiting Israel tomorrow, He'd be really cheesed off at the poor timing.

Typical. The Israelis plan a dedication, and the Palis scream about being attacked. This is why peace is impossible: one side is connected to reality, the other side is not.

898 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:13:52pm

re: #893 Racer X

You could always train your cat to do this:


[Video]

My cat drinks from the toilet just fine.

899 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:13:52pm

re: #892 Gus 802

Coming up next! Renegade, staring Lorenzo Lamas.

/

Heh. My favorite moment from that show:

Native American guy taps baddy on the shoulder: "How?"

[Baddie turns around in time to eat a knuckle sandwich]

"That's how."

900 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:14:05pm

re: #896 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you make your pasta yourself?

901 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:14:15pm

G'night all.

902 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:14:16pm

re: #881 wozzablog

Being a sometime devotee of the tv series i can attest to that being absoluety the case.

I am the man though who just ordered "Major League Three" on import dvd.

My taste, or lack of, in all things is legend.

The one with Scott Bakula? My God man...why?!?!?

903 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:14:54pm

re: #897 Dark_Falcon

Typical. The Israelis plan a dedication, and the Palis scream about being attacked. This is why peace is impossible: one side is connected to reality, the other side is not.

The Mohammedans are seething because the Hurva Synagogue stands on higher ground than a mosque. Bad dhimmis, bad!

904 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:14:55pm
905 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:15:07pm

re: #888 Mich-again

I suppose its a good thing Joe Biden isn't planning on visiting Israel tomorrow, He'd be really cheesed off at the poor timing.

Referring to the planned synagogue dedication, Palestinian officials on Sunday called on Muslims to ascend the Al-Aqsa mosque in East Jerusalem Monday in order to protect it from alleged Israeli attempts to replace the mosque with a Jewish temple.

Sadly, that's not entirely paranoia. There are Jewish extremists out there who mean harm to the Dome of the Rock. During the brief time I was there, the Jerusalem cops surprised and ran off some of them who were trying to smuggle explosives onto Temple Mount.

906 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:15:09pm

re: #902 SteveC

The one with Scott Bakula? My God man...why?!?!?

Don't diss Captain Archer...

907 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:15:14pm

re: #871 lawhawk

RIP: Peter Graves.

he was a far better actor than Matt Dillon

908 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:15:35pm

re: #902 SteveC

The subtitled scenes are hilarious, bob uecker is insane and its scott freakin' bakula :-)

909 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:15:46pm

re: #891 brookly red

sssh, the salt police are listening...

The trouble with civil servants is that so many of them think they are civil masters.

910 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:15:50pm

re: #884 The Sanity Inspector

Did you get to Petra? I thought it was fascinating. I missed the day trip to Aqaba because of a vicious stomach bug. I was lucky that the hotel room's bathtub was within hurling distance of the toilet. :/

Spent the day there. I also found it fascinating and worth the longish ride from Aqaba and back. Honestly, the relatively easy access a stay in Eilat allows is the only reason anyone should go to the trouble of visiting that "town" IMO.

911 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:16:05pm

re: #897 Dark_Falcon

Typical. The Israelis plan a dedication, and the Palis scream about being attacked. This is why peace is impossible: one side is connected to reality, the other side is not.

I don't know about that... the Palis are good at playing the reality thing, the reality is no one has the guts to stop em.

912 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:16:16pm

re: #900 Obdicut

Do you make your pasta yourself?

I can but if in a restaurant I don't have time. But I make my own sausage as well.

913 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:16:17pm

re: #840 The Sanity Inspector

Once into Israel, there was greenery and development everywhere.


And there you have the real root of the arab-Israeli problem.
Jealousy.

914 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:17:17pm

re: #900 Obdicut

Do you make your pasta yourself?

I like to make my own pasta...doesn't need boiling, as it absorbs the liquid in the sauce. This one, however, I went with some small-mill whole wheat lasagna which, while dry, is pretty damn good.

Oh, and CCA, I make an epic lasagna. This one...will be okay, but my French Lasagna (with tarragon roasted chicken, bechamel, vegetables, cheese, and made-from-scratch tomato sauce) can't be beat. So suck it!
:)

915 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:17:27pm

re: #896 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, hate to say this..I make the greatest lasagna know to man. And I ain't bragging.

I have always thought lasagna should be an Olympic event...

916 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:17:36pm

Hey kiddos, what's new in the neighborhood? Anybody flame out? My day started rather lazy, then I went to church (amazing!), and then a nicely harrowing drive back in torrential rain (these Boston roads seriously suck), and I've been downloading music I've been recording from last week's concert.

917 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:17:45pm

re: #907 albusteve

he was a far better actor than Matt Dillon

918 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:18:00pm

re: #903 Alouette

The Mohammedans are seething because the Hurva Synagogue stands on higher ground than a mosque. Bad dhimmis, bad!

They can go fuck themselves. The whole point of a modern democratic society (which Israel is) is that there are no dhimmis. No one is forced into sumission simply because of what they believe. If a bunch of Islamists don't like that, they can go fuck themselves.

919 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:18:35pm

re: #915 brookly red

I have always thought lasagna should be an Olympic event...

Just as long as I get to do the judging.

920 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:18:47pm

re: #854 brookly red

I though we made that clear the last time :)

Thanks for reminding me about that stupit shit you tried to pull about iceweasel not being a New Yorker. I don't remember you apologising for it either.

921 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:19:03pm

re: #893 Racer X

You could always train your cat to do this:

[Video]

My grandson was trained to do this:

922 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:19:11pm

re: #899 Kruk

Heh. My favorite moment from that show:

Native American guy taps baddy on the shoulder: "How?"

[Baddie turns around in time to eat a knuckle sandwich]

"That's how."

I used to go over a friends house and she was crazy about Renegade and Highlander. Thought Renegade was OK at the time. Highlander used to bore me to death.

Renegade - Theme

923 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:19:11pm

re: #911 brookly red

I don't know about that... the Palis are good at playing the reality thing, the reality is no one has the guts to stop em.

they have the UN and the EU in their pocket, as well as millions of droolers world wide that hate Israel...they are well finaced monetarily and idealisticly...people are suckers for the Palis

924 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:19:25pm

re: #914 darthstar

I like to make my own pasta...doesn't need boiling, as it absorbs the liquid in the sauce. This one, however, I went with some small-mill whole wheat lasagna which, while dry, is pretty damn good.

Oh, and CCA, I make an epic lasagna. This one...will be okay, but my French Lasagna (with tarragon roasted chicken, bechamel, vegetables, cheese, and made-from-scratch tomato sauce) can't be beat. So suck it!
:)

I am meat free and won't eat it, but it does sound like you know your stuff...re: #920 Jimmah

Thanks for reminding me about that stupit shit you tried to pull about iceweasel not being a New Yorker. I don't remember you apologising for it either.

what part of fuck you did you not understand?

925 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:19:31pm

re: #877 Dark_Falcon
Heh.
The grave problem could be solved if the people in 'em would not insist on voting.

926 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:19:47pm

re: #916 Irenicum

Can't speak for flame outs - but it was Mothers Day in the UK. Had tea and cakes with my mum, her siblings and their mum.

Rounded off the day with most of a bottle of Chataeu Neuf

927 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:20:04pm

re: #919 Kruk

My grandma's lasagna was to die for! We always joked that she must have been the result of an affair with a cool Italian cook.

928 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:20:09pm

re: #914 darthstar

I like to make my own pasta...doesn't need boiling, as it absorbs the liquid in the sauce. This one, however, I went with some small-mill whole wheat lasagna which, while dry, is pretty damn good.

Oh, and CCA, I make an epic lasagna. This one...will be okay, but my French Lasagna (with tarragon roasted chicken, bechamel, vegetables, cheese, and made-from-scratch tomato sauce) can't be beat. So suck it!
:)

I think you should be contacting the LGF cookbook queen.

929 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:20:35pm

re: #921 Alouette

My grandson was trained to do this:

[Video]

Linoleum inspector?

930 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:20:47pm

re: #908 wozzablog

The subtitled scenes are hilarious, bob uecker is insane and its scott freakin' bakula :-)

Oh, boy.

931 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:21:09pm

re: #928 Stanley Sea

I think you should be contacting the LGF cookbook queen.

That would be Reine, IIRC.

932 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:21:29pm

re: #924 brookly red

what part of fuck you did you not understand?

Gimme Lean sausage and/or Gimme Lean beef (both vegetarian subs) will do just fine. Follow a basic recipe (if you use real cheese in your diet, then great...if not, then you'll have to find the best soy-cheese sub to make it work)...but the Gimme Lean brand is great, and I make it for vegetarian friends (and carnivores alike) when serving to mixed company.

933 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:21:31pm

re: #926 wozzablog

Sounds absolutely civilised. Glad you had such a good day!

934 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:21:33pm

re: #917 The Sanity Inspector

[Video]

cool...remember when they used to peel their phony faces off?...great show

935 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:21:48pm

re: #920 Jimmah

Thanks for reminding me about that stupit shit you tried to pull about iceweasel not being a New Yorker. I don't remember you apologising for it either.

I am sorry that got mixed in with another post...

now, what part of fuck you did you not understand?

936 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:22:07pm

re: #928 Stanley Sea

I think you should be contacting the LGF cookbook queen.

I've had recipes published before. Always enjoy contributing to cook-books.

937 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:22:07pm

re: #933 Irenicum

Thanks :-)

938 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:22:25pm

re: #854 brookly red

I though we made that clear the last time :)

Don't ever address me again unless it's to apologise for this.

939 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:23:34pm

re: #935 brookly red

I am sorry that got mixed in with another post...

now, what part of fuck you did you not understand?

Brookly, would you please just apologize? There's no reason not to.

940 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:23:39pm

10 Amazing Tricks to Play with your Brain

#1 was cool - it took me a few seconds to do it.

941 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:23:57pm

So this thread has been relatively civilised? I'm rather conflict averse.

942 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:11pm

re: #932 darthstar
Reminds me: there is a massive recall for salmonella out now consisting mostly of tvp (soy protein) products... over a hundred so far. Most of them are flavorings and ingredients in gravy mixes and sauce stuff but they include things like Pringles and some pretzels. Check with the FDA site.

943 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:18pm

re: #920 Jimmah

Thanks for reminding me about that stupit shit you tried to pull about iceweasel not being a New Yorker. I don't remember you apologising for it either.

bah...get a grip...apologies mean nothing around here...I'm owed about a dozen

944 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:25pm

re: #916 Irenicum

Spent yesterday shopping for an eternity ring with my wife. (We're coming up on our three year anniversary.) Spent today trying to figure out how the heck I'm going to pay it off. :)

945 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:28pm

re: #941 Irenicum

So this thread has been relatively civilised? I'm rather conflict averse.

It was.

946 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:42pm

re: #941 Irenicum

My cat's belly is very soft.

947 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:43pm

re: #943 albusteve

bah...get a grip...apologies mean nothing around here...I'm owed about a dozen

Outrage!

948 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:24:46pm

re: #911 brookly red

I don't know about that... the Palis are good at playing the reality thing, the reality is no one has the guts to stop em.

The story said there would be 2,500 riot police.

949 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:25:03pm

re: #939 Dark_Falcon

Brookly, would you please just apologize? There's no reason not to.

Two options: Apologise
or
simply never address me again.

This really shouldn't be difficult. Unless, of course, someone is a shitstirring nasty little troll.

950 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:25:10pm

re: #938 iceweasel

Don't ever address me again unless it's to apologise for this.

butthurt much?

951 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:25:27pm

re: #938 iceweasel

Don't ever address me again unless it's to apologise for this.

I don't address you... I am still waiting for you to ignore me like you say you will. Now that is all, please feel free to pretend that this is a music awards show and just keep taking turns giving yourselves awards & leave me alone. OK?

952 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:25:28pm

re: #947 Racer X

Outrage!

apologize NOW!

953 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:25:32pm

re: #943 albusteve

Apologies do mean something, when sincere. We're human, after all.

Other than the robots, that is.

954 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:25:51pm

re: #944 Kruk
Why do you think they call it an Eternity ring?//
(good for you).

955 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:26:01pm

re: #930 SteveC

Not that anyone here particularly required another reason to doubt my judgement on any toppic - i out myself at my true level of cultural drivel.

I also watch E! television and occasionally read the National Enquirer.

A man's got to do something when he isn't slavishly following exit polls in obscure places or updating webservers.

956 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:26:08pm

re: #951 brookly red

I don't address you... I am still waiting for you to ignore me like you say you will. Now that is all, please feel free to pretend that this is a music awards show and just keep taking turns giving yourselves awards & leave me alone. OK?

Fuck off, liar. You address me all the time. Now piss off.

957 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:26:10pm

re: #950 albusteve

butthurt much?

It's not being butthurt to be aggrieved when someone actually insulted you.

958 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:26:20pm

re: #944 Kruk

Spent yesterday shopping for an eternity ring with my wife. (We're coming up on our three year anniversary.) Spent today trying to figure out how the heck I'm going to pay it off. :)

It'll take forever! :)

959 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:26:30pm

re: #952 albusteve

apologize NOW!

Not until you do!

961 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:27:09pm

re: #941 Irenicum

I briefly considered instigating some entrism...

It didn't work out.

962 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:27:11pm

Out for the night.

963 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:27:18pm

Oops.

"d"

964 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #941 Irenicum

Me too! Stanley Sea thinks of fresh bread. I usually go cook something.

965 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:27:29pm

No squabbling please. Don't create a mess for Charles to clean up when he checks back in.

966 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:04pm

re: #956 iceweasel

Fuck off, liar. You address me all the time. Now piss off.

no I don't even think of you let alone address you... now I kept my promise now keep your distance LOL,

967 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:19pm

Yeah.

I'm heading out before someone makes an unseemly mess on the carpets.

968 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:24pm

re: #955 wozzablog

Not that anyone here particularly required another reason to doubt my judgement on any toppic - i out myself at my true level of cultural drivel.

I also watch E! television and occasionally read the National Enquirer.

A man's got to do something when he isn't slavishly following exit polls in obscure places or updating webservers.

Ok, ok... I rent my share of visual trash via Netflix.

969 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:24pm

re: #965 Killgore Trout

No squabbling please. Don't create a mess for Charles to clean up when he checks back in.

Don't worry. Not gonna happen on my part.

970 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:37pm

re: #944 Kruk

Very cool! Seeing a relationship grow into a long lasting union is truly one of the great pleasures in life. Paying off a ring is small change compared to having the love of your life sharing her/his life with you. My congratulations.

971 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:47pm
972 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:28:53pm

re: #954 tradewind

Why do you think they call it an Eternity ring?//
(good for you).

Heh. Apparently the "eternity" part is that it's a way of renewing commitments. At least, that's the way my wife explained it to me. :)

973 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:07pm

re: #962 Cannadian Club Akbar

Out for the night.

Sleep tight!

974 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:10pm

Where is that clip of Cartman and his
' Respect mah authoritie ' when we need it...

975 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:28pm

re: #966 brookly red

no I don't even think of you let alone address you... now I kept my promise now keep your distance LOL,

Now you're quoting line from the song "Don't Cry For Me Argentina?" "I kept my promise now keep your distance"

LOL.

976 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:29pm

re: #953 Obdicut

Apologies do mean something, when sincere. We're human, after all.

Other than the robots, that is.

it's the internet...you're deep in man...an apology might mean something, it might not...I've made exactly one myself, offered rather than requested...it's all bullshit

977 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:43pm

re: #960 MandyManners

C'mon Mandy, use this.

978 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:45pm

re: #945 Gus 802

Glad to hear that. There's already too much drama in all of our lives.

979 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:29:52pm

re: #948 Mich-again

The story said there would be 2,500 riot police.

hmmm, that is a bunch.

980 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:30:11pm

re: #971 MandyManners

BTW, this is where I got my photo of KSM.

Okay, but why link to a video of Daniel Pearl being beheaded?

981 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:30:37pm

re: #977 Racer X

Racer, you would find that. She should, it's awesome.

982 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:30:49pm

re: #976 albusteve

You apologized to me my first day here-- for mistaking me for a different poster, and telling me I should leave-- is that the one apology you're referring to?

983 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:30:51pm

re: #975 Walter L. Newton

Now you're quoting line from the song "Don't Cry For Me Argentina?" "I kept my promise now keep your distance"

LOL.

I don't speak commie too good... it's one of the few phrases I know.

984 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:30:52pm

re: #957 Dark_Falcon

It's not being butthurt to be aggrieved when someone actually insulted you.

demanding apologies on the internet is laughable...you take all this way too serious DF

985 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:30:57pm

re: #924 brookly red

what part of fuck you did you not understand?

Random outburst involving the word 'fuck'. Brookly - I know you're basically just an empty-headed rage ball, but is that really the best you can do?

986 darthstar  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:31:21pm

Okay...the internets will have to survive without me for a while. Play nice everyone.

987 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:31:47pm

re: #974 tradewind

Where is that clip of Cartman and his
' Respect mah authoritie ' when we need it...

You get the boot, slave.

988 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:31:52pm

re: #946 Obdicut

You remind me of my best cat ever, Dio (short for Diotrephes), who was truly a dog in a cat's body. I really miss him. He played fetch better than any dog I ever knew!

989 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:32:09pm

re: #985 Jimmah

Random outburst involving the word 'fuck'. Brookly - I know you're basically just an empty-headed rage ball, but is that really the best you can do?

GAZE...

990 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:32:17pm

re: #969 iceweasel

Don't worry. Not gonna happen on my part.

have a drink and calm down

991 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #970 Irenicum

Very cool! Seeing a relationship grow into a long lasting union is truly one of the great pleasures in life. Paying off a ring is small change compared to having the love of your life sharing her/his life with you. My congratulations.

Heh. I pretty much decided she was a keeper after we had our first major argument. It was over whether Stephen Flemming (New Zealand's cricket captain at the time) deserved his place in the team or not. :)

Seriously, it's hard to believe it's been almost three years. It seems to have gone by very fast.

992 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:32:26pm

re: #986 darthstar

Okay...the internets will have to survive without me for a while. Play nice everyone.

Give up! You can't get away from us! We're not gonna hurt you!

993 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:32:35pm

re: #977 Racer X

C'mon Mandy, use this.

Cute but, I like what I have.

994 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:32:59pm

re: #980 darthstar

Okay, but why link to a video of Daniel Pearl being beheaded?

I didn't link it.

995 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:33:04pm

re: #982 Obdicut

You apologized to me my first day here-- for mistaking me for a different poster, and telling me I should leave-- is that the one apology you're referring to?

yes...good eye

996 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:33:18pm

re: #984 albusteve

demanding apologies on the internet is laughable...

in bed.

997 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #950 albusteve

butthurt much?

That's just stupid, albusteve. You get pissed off for much less than someone insinuating you have terrorist sympathies.

998 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #989 brookly red

GAZE...

'Bout time you learned.

999 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:33:42pm

re: #995 albusteve

Then that's a singular honor, but I did appreciate your apology. So it was worth something, after all.

1000 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:33:57pm

re: #984 albusteve

demanding apologies on the internet is laughable...you take all this way too serious DF

True. I try to play peacemaker. It's my way of atoning for the times when I'm an asshole.

1001 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:34:27pm

re: #998 MandyManners

'Bout time you learned.

yeah, your right... I just hate being tag teamed.

1002 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:34:39pm

re: #950 albusteve

butthurt much?

I don't like that word but, you used the word of the oppressor so, UPDING!

1003 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:34:47pm

re: #997 Jimmah

That's just stupid, albusteve. You get pissed off for much less than someone insinuating you have terrorist sympathies.

whatever, I don't ask for apologies...that's the epitome of insecure

1004 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:34:55pm

re: #999 Obdicut

Then that's a singular honor, but I did appreciate your apology. So it was worth something, after all.

Ah... {{{Obdicut-AlbuSteve}}}

1005 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:35:06pm

Maybe we can get a side link for emergencies.

1006 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:35:09pm

re: #941 Irenicum

So this thread has been relatively civilised? I'm rather conflict averse.

Post something civilized, quick!

1007 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:35:27pm

re: #1001 brookly red

yeah, your right... I just hate being tag teamed.

GAZE is your friend!

1008 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:35:29pm

re: #1006 The Sanity Inspector

Post something civilized, quick!

Get thee to a nunnery!

1009 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:35:41pm

re: #1001 brookly red

yeah, your right... I just hate being tag teamed.

In bed.

1010 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:35:50pm

re: #1006 The Sanity Inspector


Ancient Greece

1011 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:05pm

re: #999 Obdicut

Then that's a singular honor, but I did appreciate your apology. So it was worth something, after all.

well there it is...Ive been posting for maybe three years

1012 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:07pm

evening all...whats the word other than the same usual suspects going out of their way to be obnoxious?

1013 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:10pm

re: #1000 Dark_Falcon

It's my way of atoning for the times when I'm an asshole.

Just say "I do what I do to defeat the evil that lives within me."

That sounds a bit more mysterious!

1014 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:13pm

re: #1002 MandyManners

I don't like that word but, you used the word of the oppressor so, UPDING!

'the oppressor'?

Folks, is everyone feeling all right tonight?

1015 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:26pm

Nobody move! Hell, I'm 220 lbs of death made flesh!

John Kerry!!!
Earth First!!!11

//

1016 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:32pm

re: #993 MandyManners

Oh, snap.

1017 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #1012 PT Barnum

evening all...whats the word other than the same usual suspects going out of their way to be obnoxious?

Don't start.

1018 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:04pm

re: #1012 PT Barnum


Hows it going fellah? - not seen you for a while

1019 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:05pm
1020 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:07pm

re: #1015 Gus 802

Nobody move! Hell, I'm 220 lbs of death made flesh!

John Kerry!!!
Earth First!!!11

//

Heh. Naughty. :)

1021 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:08pm

re: #1004 Walter L. Newton

Ah... {{{Obdicut-AlbuSteve}}}

make room for Walter...roll over!

1022 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:19pm

re: #1014 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently, someone's being oppressed.

There may be violence inherent in the system.

1023 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:20pm

I ask if there have been any flame outs, and then a bunch of nasty infighting erupts. Please people, get along! We may disagree, but we are "representing" here. That's what I love about this place. We can be better than this.

1024 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:24pm

re: #1017 Walter L. Newton

Don't start.

I didn't name any names Walter..if the shoe fits, however...

1025 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:36pm

re: #1008 Gus 802

Get thee to a nunnery!

Ummm...a nunnery back then a whore-house.

1026 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:37:52pm

re: #1020 iceweasel

Heh. Naughty. :)

;-) I trust you recognize the source.

1027 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:38:05pm

re: #1022 Obdicut

Apparently, someone's being oppressed.

There may be violence inherent in the system.

nothing personal, just business...

1028 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:38:16pm

re: #1024 PT Barnum

I didn't name any names Walter..if the shoe fits, however...

No... it doesn't fucking fit... unless I shove it up... :)

1029 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:38:29pm

re: #1027 brookly red

What on earth are you talking about?

1030 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:38:42pm

re: #1007 MandyManners
DADT.
Road rules for blogs:
Never complainNever explain.
Wish I could remember those.

1031 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:38:45pm

re: #1016 tradewind

Oh, snap.

More like "GLUB...GLUB...GLUB".

1032 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:38:55pm

re: #1018 wozzablog

Hows it going fellah? - not seen you for a while

I've been working mostly...Guy who owns the company I work for died, so now it's a matter of waiting out to see which son gets control of the company and whether or not I'm going to keep my job. One son I get along with, the other is one of those people bound and determined to be mad about something each and every day.

1033 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:02pm

re: #1023 Irenicum

See what you did?

1034 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:19pm

re: #1029 Obdicut

What on earth are you talking about?

He was talking about Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers!

1035 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:24pm

re: #1003 albusteve

whatever, I don't ask for apologies...that's the epitome of insecure

No it isn't. Sometimes people create such bad feeling by what they say that an apology is necessary in order that normal communication can be contemplated.

1036 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:28pm

re: #1029 Obdicut

What on earth are you talking about?

it's called humor... it's complicated.

1037 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #1032 PT Barnum

Hope that works out for you.

1038 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #1025 MandyManners

Ummm...a nunnery back then a whore-house.

Where's my "was"?

1039 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:49pm

re: #1032 PT Barnum

Sorry for the loss.

Best of luck to you though fellah.

1040 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:57pm

re: #1030 tradewind

DADT.
Road rules for blogs:
Never complainNever explain.
Wish I could remember those.

Drive on.

1041 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:39:59pm

re: #943 albusteve

bah...get a grip...apologies mean nothing around here...I'm owed about a dozen

If we were the dueling types anymore, we could form a circular firing squad.

1042 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:40:35pm

re: #1035 Jimmah

No it isn't. Sometimes people create such bad feeling by what they say that an apology is necessary in order that normal communication can be contemplated.

Or they can just ignore the person, if they can't bring themselves to apologise and do the right thing.
Shouldn't be hard.

1043 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:40:46pm

PIMF: the internet ate my / mark...
Never complain/ Never explain.

1044 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:40:55pm

re: #1041 The Sanity Inspector

Just a regular circle of jerks on occasion...

1045 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:41:13pm

re: #1021 albusteve

make room for Walter...roll over!

Suave! Goddamn you're one suave fucker!

1046 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:41:23pm

re: #1037 Obdicut

Hope that works out for you.

Me too. I had a run in with the guy on the phone the other day. He wanted to yell at me for doing something the other brother directed me to. I basically told him in no uncertain terms (politely, but firmly) that I would not let myself get in the middle of him and his brother. If he had issues with the directives I was getting he needed to take them up with his brother not me.

1047 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:41:37pm

re: #1038 MandyManners
It's eating characters. Ate my slash mark.

1048 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:41:37pm

re: #1023 Irenicum

I ask if there have been any flame outs, and then a bunch of nasty infighting erupts. Please people, get along! We may disagree, but we are "representing" here. That's what I love about this place. We can be better than this.

I represent myself

1049 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:41:42pm

re: #1002 MandyManners

I don't like that word but, you used the word of the oppressor so, UPDING!

LOL. For a moment there I thought I was reading 2.0.

1050 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:42:22pm

re: #1033 tradewind

See what you did?

I see what you did there! :)

1051 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:42:24pm

re: #1044 wozzablog

Just a regular circle of jerks on occasion...

A circle jerk of jerks. All yanking each others rage...

1052 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:42:25pm

re: #1041 The Sanity Inspector

If we were the dueling types anymore, we could form a circular firing squad.

No thanks. I'll leave that to the House Democrats. :D

1053 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:43:04pm

re: #1051 PT Barnum

It will all come to a climax eventually.

1054 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:43:05pm

re: #1046 PT Barnum

Have any clue if the father approved of one son's style over the other?

1055 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:43:25pm

re: #1052 Dark_Falcon

No thanks. I'll leave that to the House Democrats. :D

some seem to be getting it...

1056 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:43:29pm

re: #1008 Gus 802

Get thee to a nunnery!

Thou shameless motley-minded imbossed carbunkle!

1057 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:43:55pm

re: #1022 Obdicut
/Fight the power/

1058 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:44:11pm

This one Mandy! Use this one!

1059 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:44:46pm

re: #1048 albusteve

As do I. But we all choose how we represent.

1060 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:44:52pm

re: #1054 Obdicut

Have any clue if the father approved of one son's style over the other?

Yes..the older son (the one I work for) is currently running the company. The younger son quit because he wasn't being let in on everything (he wanted to see the books and Dad said no)

So I think my chances are pretty good, but there's a lot to go through before the voting stock gets distributed and that will make the real difference.

1061 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:45:05pm

re: #1042 iceweasel

Or they can just ignore the person, if they can't bring themselves to apologise and do the right thing.
Shouldn't be hard.

oh please...you and your antagonistic bullshit...drop it before you really look stupid...you never apologized for calling me stupid and angry for simply posting a Peggy Noonan blurb a year ago...LIAR!...LIAR!...remember that shit?

1062 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:45:13pm

re: #1058 Racer X
Don't be silly, that's a common garden seeder.

1063 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:45:34pm

Ok. again, laters all.

1064 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:45:42pm

re: #1061 albusteve

oh please...you and your antagonistic bullshit...drop it before you really look stupid...you never apologized for calling me stupid and angry for simply posting a Peggy Noonan blurb a year ago...LIAR!...LIAR!...remember that shit?

let it be...

1065 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:45:50pm

re: #1045 Walter L. Newton

Suave! Goddamn you're one suave fucker!

there's always a space in my parking lot for you

1066 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:46:01pm

re: #1053 wozzablog

It will all come to a climax eventually.

Unless they all start singing Cumbyah

1067 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:46:16pm

re: #1064 brookly red

let it be...

I had a dream. In the dream, there was our world, and the world was dark because there weren't any robins and the robins represented love. And for the longest time, there was this darkness. And all of a sudden, thousands of robins were set free and they flew down and brought this blinding light of love. And it seemed that love would make any difference, and it did. So, I guess it means that there is trouble until the robins come.

1068 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:46:34pm

re: #1060 PT Barnum

I'm waiting for my fiancee to hear back from Stanford so I can find out if I need to look for a new job-- if she doesn't get in there, we're moving to New York.

Puts me in a weird place at work. Mainly I just keep thinking, "Jeez, they'll be hosed if I go." I"m the guy they use to fix problematic projects.

1069 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:46:58pm

re: #1065 albusteve

there's always a space in my parking lot for you

The candy-colored clown they call the Sandman.

1070 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:47:01pm

re: #1061 albusteve

oh please...you and your antagonistic bullshit...drop it before you really look stupid...you never apologized for calling me stupid and angry for simply posting a Peggy Noonan blurb a year ago...LIAR!...LIAR!...remember that shit?

I wasn't here a year ago, Steve.
I think it's better to drop this, don't you?

1071 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:47:17pm

re: #1053 wozzablog

It will all come to a climax eventually.

ha!...that should be something to see

1072 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:47:22pm

re: #1067 Walter L. Newton

I had a dream. In the dream, there was our world, and the world was dark because there weren't any robins and the robins represented love. And for the longest time, there was this darkness. And all of a sudden, thousands of robins were set free and they flew down and brought this blinding light of love. And it seemed that love would make any difference, and it did. So, I guess it means that there is trouble until the robins come.

You have issues!

//

1073 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:47:46pm

re: #1069 Walter L. Newton

The candy-colored clown they call the Sandman.

Roy Orbison, if I'm not mistaken.

1074 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:48:05pm

re: #984 albusteve

demanding apologies on the internet is laughable...you take all this way too serious DF

Why should people on the Internet disregard all societal conventions and controls on interaction? Do we somehow become less a part of a community while on the Internet, or are you suggesting this community is somehow less important or real than any other?

1075 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:48:17pm

re: #1067 Walter L. Newton

I had a dream. In the dream, there was our world, and the world was dark because there weren't any robins and the robins represented love. And for the longest time, there was this darkness. And all of a sudden, thousands of robins were set free and they flew down and brought this blinding light of love. And it seemed that love would make any difference, and it did. So, I guess it means that there is trouble until the robins come.

He rocks in the tree tops all day long
Hoppin' and a-boppin' and singing his song
All the little birdies on Jaybird Street
Love to hear the robin go tweet tweet tweet

1076 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:48:18pm

re: #1064 brookly red

let it be...

right...good advice

1077 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:49:16pm

re: #1076 albusteve

right...good advice

It is what it is... don't feed it.

1078 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:49:36pm

re: #1070 iceweasel

I wasn't here a year ago, Steve.
I think it's better to drop this, don't you?

sure, it was around May...I'll drop it if you quit begging for apologies

1079 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:50:00pm

re: #1068 Obdicut

I'm waiting for my fiancee to hear back from Stanford so I can find out if I need to look for a new job-- if she doesn't get in there, we're moving to New York.

Puts me in a weird place at work. Mainly I just keep thinking, "Jeez, they'll be hosed if I go." I"m the guy they use to fix problematic projects.

IT or other types of things?

I have worked on projects before, but I prefer the role I'm playing now..kind of a one stop IT shop...do a little networking, a little programming, a little technical writing, a little business analysis...

more fun and I get a lot more respect than if I'm just one of many.

1080 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:50:00pm

re: #1073 Dark_Falcon

Roy Orbison, if I'm not mistaken.

It's a sunny, woodsy day in Lumberton, so get those chainsaws out. This is the mighty W.O.O.D., the musical voice of Lumberton. At the sound of the falling tree, it's 9:30. There's a whole lotta wood waitin' out there, so let's get goin'.

1081 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:50:20pm

re: #1022 Obdicut

Apparently, someone's being oppressed.

There may be violence inherent in the system.

"Come and see the violence in'erent in the system!"

1082 Irenicum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:51:25pm

Well gangstas, I gotta get something resembling sleep. Class and work call out to me tomorrow. Be well and be behaved (within reason!).

1083 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:51:45pm

re: #1074 b_sharp

Why should people on the Internet disregard all societal conventions and controls on interaction? Do we somehow become less a part of a community while on the Internet, or are you suggesting this community is somehow less important or real than any other?

don't know...ask all the name callers and antagonistic people protecting their net vanity

1084 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:51:51pm

re: #940 Racer X

10 Amazing Tricks to Play with your Brain

#1 was cool - it took me a few seconds to do it.

These are always fun. But two comments about no.5: 1) I am sick dang it. That thing made me nauseous. ;-) 2) My son has only 1 functioning eye, and he sees 3-D movies in 3-D.

1085 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:52:27pm

I'm not wearing any pants.

Film at 11.

1086 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:52:45pm

re: #1080 Walter L. Newton

It's a sunny, woodsy day in Lumberton, so get those chainsaws out. This is the mighty W.O.O.D., the musical voice of Lumberton. At the sound of the falling tree, it's 9:30. There's a whole lotta wood waitin' out there, so let's get goin'.

Walt Bunyan!

1087 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:53:10pm

re: #1079 PT Barnum

I'm a producer and implementor, so I coordinate art & audio assets, write scripts for, and use a design space to create the code for interactive children's toys. I used to work on level editors for games, so I'm really good at the design-space work. We're stretched thin as it is, and I've had to jump in on five out of the last six projects. We badly need a backup person as it is, much less with me gone.

I hope they do some prophylactic hiring or they're going to be in a world of hurt once the economy comes alive a little and people can afford to shift jobs.

1088 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:53:14pm

re: #1085 eclectic infidel

I'm not wearing any pants.

Film at 11.

That's a human ear all right.

1089 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:53:38pm
1090 SteveC  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:53:49pm

re: #1073 Dark_Falcon

Roy Orbison, if I'm not mistaken.

Roy's final group, the Traveling Wilburys:

1091 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:53:50pm

re: #1066 PT Barnum

Unless they all start singing Cumbyah

That'll make a vas deferens.

1092 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:53:51pm

re: #1085 eclectic infidel

I'm not wearing any pants.

Film at 11.

apologize now!

1093 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #1085 eclectic infidel

I'm not wearing any pants.

Film at 11.

You have my gratitude.

1094 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:55:00pm

re: #1073 Dark_Falcon

Roy Orbison, if I'm not mistaken.

Frank Booth.

1095 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:55:25pm

re: #1019 Racer X
dammit, you should post a warning/
I'm sending you the bill for my bad dream.//

1096 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:55:37pm

re: #1083 albusteve

don't know...ask all the name callers and antagonistic people protecting their net vanity

I have nothing to add... just wanted to read that again.

1097 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:56:03pm

re: #1092 albusteve

Image: sorry.jpg

1098 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:56:15pm

re: #1075 brookly red
/frackin twitter/

1099 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:56:29pm

re: #1081 SanFranciscoZionist

"Come and see the violence in'erent in the system!"

Ooh, there's some lovely filth over here...

1100 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:56:51pm

You can tell whose anus is a little sore by the down dings going on.

LOL!

1101 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:56:52pm

re: #1087 Obdicut

I'm a producer and implementor, so I coordinate art & audio assets, write scripts for, and use a design space to create the code for interactive children's toys. I used to work on level editors for games, so I'm really good at the design-space work. We're stretched thin as it is, and I've had to jump in on five out of the last six projects. We badly need a backup person as it is, much less with me gone.

I hope they do some prophylactic hiring or they're going to be in a world of hurt once the economy comes alive a little and people can afford to shift jobs.

Cool...I'm working on changing careers...have a lady in my Toastmasters club who was a very successful seminar speaker for a long time. She's mentoring me through the process of developing a set of programs and marketing myself.

Mostly in the vein of helping people systematize their thought processes by giving them frame works. I have found in my own career and life, that most people just want tools they can apply to organize their thinking, rather than ready made solutions to a specific problem.

1102 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:57:03pm

re: #1090 SteveC

Roy's final group, the Traveling Wilburys:


[Video]

I love the Wilburys. That video was after Roy died, I guess. His guitar was rocking in a chair & they showed his photo.

1103 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:57:25pm

re: #1098 tradewind

/frackin twitter/

tweeter you mean :)

1104 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:57:30pm

re: #1096 brookly red

I have nothing to add... just wanted to read that again.

fail.

1105 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:57:31pm

re: #1096 brookly red

I have nothing to add... just wanted to read that again.

Wow, he just made the international sign of the doughnut.

1106 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:57:35pm

re: #1091 Kruk

That'll make a vas deferens.

You win!

1107 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:58:06pm

re: #1100 Racer X

You can tell whose anus is a little sore by the down dings going on.

LOL!

let it be...

1108 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:58:14pm

Teenage Fanclub with De la Soul - 'Fallin':

Choon!

1109 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:58:24pm

re: #1083 albusteve

don't know...ask all the name callers and antagonistic people protecting their net vanity

Steve, you're the one that said apologizing is useless and not needed because we're on the web. I'm curious why you think so?

Conventions like apologizing were developed to reduce violence in face to face situations. Granted we aren't face to face so physical violence is far less likely, but is the threat of violence the only thing that keeps us civil?

1110 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:58:28pm

re: #1101 PT Barnum

It's a hard sell because there are so many bullshit artists out there selling methods that totally don't work. My advice is to read Gawande's "The Checklist Manifesto"; I'd love it if people started passing that organizational bit of wisdom around.

1111 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:58:40pm

one of my very best friends over in Dallas lost his job today...a very humble and generous guy and I love him to pieces...he sells ice cubes and to think he has no income now depresses me...this economy sucks and the BO administration has their head up their ass...the Stimulus is a bust and the donks continue to fuck the citizens...HCR and AGW don't mean shit brother...I hate the feds, and these current clowns are the worst

1112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:58:58pm

Can we please stop bickering? It does us no credit, and it turns the thread to shit.

1113 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:59:02pm

re: #1081 SanFranciscoZionist

"Come and see the violence in'erent in the system!"

"Come hear the people sing/ singing the song of angry men/ some will stand and some will fall/ will you stand up and take your chance?"

1114 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:59:17pm

re: #1090 SteveC

Good old Roy...

1115 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:59:20pm

re: #1100 Racer X
They like to play with their ding-a-lings.

1116 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:59:24pm

re: #1107 brookly red

let it be...

Whisper words of wisdom. . .

1117 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 8:59:51pm

re: #1090 SteveC

Roy's final group, the Traveling Wilburys:


[Video]

over cool...there is not enough coolness

1118 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:00:04pm

re: #1112 Dark_Falcon

Can we please stop bickering? It does us no credit, and it turns the thread to shit.

The only people still bickering are those who are continuing to post comments designed to provoke.

1119 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:00:31pm

re: #1111 albusteve

one of my very best friends over in Dallas lost his job today...a very humble and generous guy and I love him to pieces...he sells ice cubes and to think he has no income now depresses me...this economy sucks and the BO administration has their head up their ass...the Stimulus is a bust and the donks continue to fuck the citizens...HCR and AGW don't mean shit brother...I hate the feds, and these current clowns are the worst

AGW threatens to put our economy permanent;y in the shitter. It's far from nothing.

1120 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:00:54pm

re: #1112 Dark_Falcon

Can we please stop bickering? It does us no credit, and it turns the thread to shit.

I don't bicker. I mock.

Fine.

I'm a micker then.

1121 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:00:55pm

re: #1100 Racer X

You can tell whose anus is a little sore by the down dings going on.

LOL!

Actually, complaining about downdings is by far the most reliable indicator of butthurt these days. As I'm sure you are already painfully aware.

1122 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:01:01pm

re: #1103 brookly red
actually, it was that last ' tweet tweet tweet' that reminded me of the next phrase... ' rockin robin'. Frackin Twitter just followed.

1123 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:01:17pm

re: #1104 Stanley Sea

fail.

I am glad that your ability to ding has finally given you a purpose in life...

1124 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:01:28pm

re: #1097 jaunte

[Link: www.marriedtothesea.com...]

I never felt a thing!

1125 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:01:36pm

Ahahahahahahahaha!

Too funny!

1126 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:02:15pm

re: #1118 iceweasel

The only people still bickering are those who are continuing to post comments designed to provoke.

I've been attempting to upset the flow by interjecting pithy quotes from movies... like...

I bet you're psyched about the Martians coming Grandma? I mean, you've seen a lot of crazy stuff already. Everyone must have been real scared when they invented the train!

1127 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:02:31pm

re: #1122 tradewind

actually, it was that last ' tweet tweet tweet' that reminded me of the next phrase... ' rockin robin'. Frackin Twitter just followed.

had not thought of that LOL

1128 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:02:57pm

I don't down ding. I think it is petty.

1129 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:02:57pm

re: #1110 Obdicut

It's a hard sell because there are so many bullshit artists out there selling methods that totally don't work. My advice is to read Gawande's "The Checklist Manifesto"; I'd love it if people started passing that organizational bit of wisdom around.

I like checklists, and I'll definitely read Gawande's book..

That's the sort of thing I like to put together, checklists for different ways of understanding a problem, people, situations.

That's the stuff most people could do, but won't because they won't face a blank sheet of paper. I have no fear of a blank sheet of paper.

1130 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:03:35pm

I guess since I'm 'butthurt' I'll head off and apply some Prep H.

G'night all.

1131 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:03:44pm

re: #1128 Racer X

I don't down ding. I think it is petty.

well petty is but petty does... this should be good for - 4 LOL

1132 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:03:46pm

re: #1112 Dark_Falcon

Can we please stop bickering? It does us no credit, and it turns the thread to shit.

Well, I'm about to sign off, but I suggest you western folks continue posting links, and maybe some of them will sustain the conversation.

1133 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:03:55pm

Checking the spy - someone needs some Preparation H for sure.

1134 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:04:22pm

re: #1109 b_sharp

Steve, you're the one that said apologizing is useless and not needed because we're on the web. I'm curious why you think so?

Conventions like apologizing were developed to reduce violence in face to face situations. Granted we aren't face to face so physical violence is far less likely, but is the threat of violence the only thing that keeps us civil?

people are not especially civil...the net is exactly that, a net

1135 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:04:32pm

re: #1130 b_sharp

I guess since I'm 'butthurt' I'll head off and apply some Prep H.

G'night all.

Hey... hey... come back... how about a gross of fluorescent condoms for the the novelty machine in the men's room? I mean, those are fun even when you're alone. We're talkin' the hula hoop of the nineties.

1136 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:04:45pm

re: #1123 brookly red

I am glad that your ability to ding has finally given you a purpose in life...

You would be better off finding something that made you smile, instead of always being so negative.

1137 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:05:13pm

re: #1105 Walter L. Newton

Wow, he just made the international sign of the doughnut.

it's a fritter you rube

1138 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:05:16pm

re: #1135 Walter L. Newton

Hey... hey... come back... how about a gross of fluorescent condoms for the the novelty machine in the men's room? I mean, those are fun even when you're alone. We're talkin' the hula hoop of the nineties.

I saw one with an american flag printed on it...they called it the star spangled banger..

1139 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:05:37pm

Well, this has gone to hell. I'm out for the night.

1140 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:05:38pm

re: #1136 Stanley Sea

You would be better off finding something that made you smile, instead of always being so negative.

tiss your finger on the button not mine...

1141 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:06:13pm

re: #1136 Stanley Sea

You would be better off finding something that made you smile, instead of always being so negative.

What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? You really jarred something loose tiger.

1142 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:06:17pm

Dad (Charles) is gone, so the kids are going wild.

Have a great night folks!

1143 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:06:23pm

re: #1139 Obdicut

Well, this has gone to hell. I'm out for the night.

Have a good one...talk to you later..good luck with your life changing situation.

1144 jaunte  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:06:27pm

You can't fight in here. This is the War Room.

1145 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:06:40pm

re: #1112 Dark_Falcon

Can we please stop bickering? It does us no credit, and it turns the thread to shit.

you post your share of inflammatory slop

1146 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:06:50pm

re: #1141 Walter L. Newton

What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? You really jarred something loose tiger.

WAY TOO MUCH FUCKING INFORMATION!

1147 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:07:05pm

re: #1143 PT Barnum

Have a good one...talk to you later..good luck with your life changing situation.

Just because you're familiar with the missionary position doesn't make you a missionary.

1148 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:07:18pm

re: #1145 albusteve

you post your share of inflammatory slop

I don't see that he makes an absolute habit of it, though.

1149 webevintage  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:07:20pm

Wow, 1146 comments.
Did I miss a party?

GO CATS!

1150 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:08:30pm

re: #1149 webevintage

Wow, 1146 comments.
Did I miss a party?

GO CATS!

Run for the hills everybody, there's a giant shit-cloud coming.

1151 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:08:55pm

re: #1145 albusteve

you post your share of inflammatory slop

No, he doesn't.

1152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:09:00pm

re: #1123 brookly red

I am glad that your ability to ding has finally given you a purpose in life...

1153 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:09:01pm

re: #1148 PT Barnum

I don't see that he makes an absolute habit of it, though.

I don't think DF does at all. He's also pretty near consistently the one who callls for calm, too.

1154 brookly red  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:09:05pm

well I am off to oppress some groups that you all have probably never even heard of, but don't worry I see them all no matter how small & powerless...

heh, heh, heh...

1155 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:09:12pm

re: #1141 Walter L. Newton

What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? You really jarred something loose tiger.

re: #1150 Walter L. Newton

Run for the hills everybody, there's a giant shit-cloud coming.

ROFLMAO!

1156 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:10:05pm

re: #1147 Walter L. Newton

Just because you're familiar with the missionary position doesn't make you a missionary.

Someone once asked my wife and I what we thought of the Chicano Movement. I said I didn't mind it but my wife said it hurt her knees.

1157 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:10:31pm

re: #1128 Racer X

I don't down ding. I think it is petty.

Much nobler to wait for every opportunity that comes up to try to stir up shit, then put your ghandi outfit on and bleat about how terribly unpleasant the thread has become because of "certain people".

Your shtick is worn out to complete transparency, you need to try something new.

1158 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:10:35pm

re: #1153 iceweasel

I don't think DF does at all. He's also pretty near consistently the one who callls for calm, too.

Dark Falcon and I don't always agree, but I don't see him going out of his way to offend or be offended.

1159 tradewind  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:10:39pm

Out until next Sunday...
Ya'll don't let anything fun happen 'til then...

1161 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:11:25pm

re: #1156 solomonpanting

Someone once asked my wife and I what we thought of the Chicano Movement. I said I didn't mind it but my wife said it hurt her knees.

Someone asked my wife what she thought of same sex marriage...she says she'd like me to try something different once in a while...

1162 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:11:44pm

re: #1119 Dark_Falcon

AGW threatens to put our economy permanent;y in the shitter. It's far from nothing.

gotta go around the CC deniers...change the perception of the problem, leave them behind..otherwise what's a person to think?...I said a year ago the liberals want us in a perpetual state of economic peril and people trashed me...so in 14 months, NM just set a 22 year old record for unemployment, and liberals here say BO is doing a good job, that congress is right on the money with the Stimulus...what a bunch of partisan droolers

1163 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:12:11pm

I gaze, therefore I am.

1164 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:12:52pm

re: #1148 PT Barnum

I don't see that he makes an absolute habit of it, though.

nothing in this life is absolute weedhoppa...
I like DF and he knows it

1165 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #1162 albusteve

gotta go around the CC deniers...change the perception of the problem, leave them behind..otherwise what's a person to think?...I said a year ago the liberals want us in a perpetual state of economic peril and people trashed me...so in 14 months, NM just set a 22 year old record for unemployment, and liberals here say BO is doing a good job, that congress is right on the money with the Stimulus...what a bunch of partisan droolers

A year ago, I doubt many people trashed you for saying that.

I'm sorry the economy is for shit. What would you like Obama to do about it?

1166 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:13:29pm

re: #1160 The Sanity Inspector

That site was a hoot! Kind of a Fortean Times sort of thing

1167 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:14:08pm

re: #1158 PT Barnum

Dark Falcon and I don't always agree, but I don't see him going out of his way to offend or be offended.

Yeah, exactly.
to lighten the mood, here is perpetually aggrieved trollcat.

1168 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:14:28pm

re: #1165 SanFranciscoZionist

A year ago, I doubt many people trashed you for saying that.

I'm sorry the economy is for shit. What would you like Obama to do about it?

I'd like to see bankers on spikes...

1169 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:14:58pm

re: #1168 PT Barnum

I'd like to see bankers on spikes...

OK, that's a start.

1170 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:15:12pm

"Do you have any hobbies?"
I collect spores, molds and fungus.

1171 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:15:26pm

re: #1168 PT Barnum

I'd like to see bankers on spikes...

All? or anyone in particular?

1172 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:15:32pm

re: #1167 iceweasel

Yeah, exactly.
to lighten the mood, here is perpetually aggrieved trollcat.

They say that people and their pets start to look alike..trying to decide which Lizard's cat that is...

1173 webevintage  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:17:26pm

re: #1167 iceweasel

Yeah, exactly.
to lighten the mood, here is perpetually aggrieved trollcat.

How have I live without Trollcats?
Trollcats.
Brillant.

[Link: trollcats.com...]

1174 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:17:51pm

re: #1171 Racer X

All? or anyone in particular?

Actually I want to see bankers, CEOs and such be held accountable for their fuckups.

Regulation that restores conservative (meaning careful and sensible, not batshit insane) principles to the market, like not letting yourself get leveraged up the wazoo, not paying bonuses for failure, stuff like that, would be a good start.

1175 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:18:15pm

re: #1168 PT Barnum

I'd like to see bankers on spikes...

That would be a great name for a band.

1176 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:18:37pm
1177 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:18:55pm

re: #1173 webevintage

How have I live without Trollcats?
Trollcats.
Brillant.

[Link: trollcats.com...]

I love that one!

1178 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:19:02pm

re: #1168 PT Barnum

I'd like to see bankers on spikes...

Contrary to the right wing meme, the majority of our income does not go to pay taxes but to pay for grossly inflated goods and services. It especially goes to pay for insurance that we rarely use and it is amassed in the coffers of the true elitist ruling classes that are not found in academia.

Profits have not gone towards retooling and factory expansion in this nation. Instead those same people that rule the industry have moved their production to places where they can pay their workers less then what American were payed in 1910.

1179 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:19:26pm

GAZE : for those moments when you run out of nothing.

*props to Larry David

1180 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:19:29pm

re: #1141 Walter L. Newton

What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? You really jarred something loose tiger.

whoa brother

1181 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:20:02pm

re: #1180 albusteve

whoa brother

rectum? I nearly killed em..

1182 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:20:23pm

re: #1174 PT Barnum

Actually I want to see bankers, CEOs and such be held accountable for their fuckups.

Regulation that restores conservative (meaning careful and sensible, not batshit insane) principles to the market, like not letting yourself get leveraged up the wazoo, not paying bonuses for failure, stuff like that, would be a good start.

I agree 1000%.

What do you think of Franklin Raines?

1183 PT Barnum  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:20:38pm

well...it's getting late, and I have to go to work tomorrow..you all have a good night...

1184 wee fury  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:20:59pm

Today is my cat's 9th birthday.
I sang 'Happy Birthday', gave her a can of fancy feast salmon, and made stupid smoochie noises to get her attendion.
She has shown her gratitude by hitting me on the head when I tried to pet her.

1185 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:21:38pm

re: #1184 wee fury

Today is my cat's 9th birthday.
I sang 'Happy Birthday', gave her a can of fancy feast salmon, and made stupid smoochie noises to get her attendion.
She has shown her gratitude by hitting me on the head when I tried to pet her.

Yes, that is a cat.

1186 Racer X  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:22:04pm

Chris Dodd?

Barney Frank?

Charlie Rangel?

1187 Kruk  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:22:04pm

re: #1184 wee fury

Congrats! How many is that in cat years?

1188 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:22:28pm

I think the 'Original Trollcat' is still hard to beat :

[Link: trollcats.com...]

1189 wee fury  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:22:35pm

re: #1187 Kruk

Congrats! How many is that in cat years?

not enough.
/

1190 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:22:59pm

re: #1165 SanFranciscoZionist

A year ago, I doubt many people trashed you for saying that.

I'm sorry the economy is for shit. What would you like Obama to do about it?

resign?...nerfsnark...I'm not sure anymore, but I suspect the answer lies with taxes

1191 Conservative Moonbat  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:23:39pm

It's not mid-day anymore

1192 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:23:48pm

Yet we have those that wrongly associate themselves with the captains of industry that steal the money of the working class while they themselves live in squalor. They advise us instead to seere: #1176 albusteve

like your endless assault here with talking heads, TV show people, and cherry picked blog excesses...helping to turn LGF into a sort of cheap gossip blog?...imo opinion that degrades LGF...feeding the endless media he said, she said afternoon hair salon column...that provoking

As provoking as what Steve? The Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton? Or guns, guns, guns?

1193 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:25:27pm

re: #1181 PT Barnum

rectum? I nearly killed em..

heh...I had to stop laughing to get that much out

1194 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:25:27pm

re: #1190 albusteve

resign?...nerfsnark...I'm not sure anymore, but I suspect the answer lies with taxes

Naturally it does!

1196 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:27:04pm

re: #1176 albusteve

like your endless assault here with talking heads, TV show people, and cherry picked blog excesses...helping to turn LGF into a sort of cheap gossip blog?...imo opinion that degrades LGF...feeding the endless media he said, she said afternoon hair salon column...that provoking

Steve - you've got a little bit of word salad still clinging to your whiskers there.

1197 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:28:46pm

Beyond cheezburger?

1198 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:30:44pm

re: #1194 SanFranciscoZionist

resign?...nerfsnark...I'm not sure anymore, but I suspect the answer lies with taxes

Naturally it does!

And you'd have about as many folks stating that taxes are too high as there are folks saying they're too low.
Spending might also play a role somewhere in the equation.

1199 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:30:56pm
1200 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:32:07pm

re: #1164 albusteve

nothing in this life is absolute weedhoppa...
I like DF and he knows it

Thank you, sir.

1201 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:32:37pm
1202 Gus  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:32:58pm

re: #1199 albusteve

yeah I know you are a huge antiBeck fan...post away, relentlessly...then add some Hot Air post by some nut in Maine...make it a thread and call it 'racism is rampant in the GOP'...then after 300 posts agree with Charles that you are no longer a conservative...ho hum, so predictable, hardly cutting edge

What you're talking about Steve isn't me. What you're talking about is Little Green Footballs. You're not really angry at Ice, Jimmah, me or anyone else. Face the fact Steve. You're just angry at how LGF changed over the years.

1203 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:33:00pm

This singer is remarkable for somehow managing never to sing a correct note at any time during the song.

1204 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:34:48pm

re: #1185 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, that is a cat.

Well.
I'm mourning one of our cats that was killed yesterday, late afternoon.
She was all black, a small cat, with a meow that could hardly be heard, and she was absolutely completely undemanding. She was a joy, and is being missed.

She was feral when she showed up a few years ago, and we raised two litters of kittens before we could catch her and get her to the vet to have her fixed. She was the dog's BFF, and she came to trust the Roi enough that she would allow him (and only him) to pet her and hold her in his lap.

1205 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:35:27pm

re: #1184 wee fury

I kiss Mila regardless of her temperament and she soon cuddles for additional love.

1206 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:37:16pm

re: #1204 reine.de.tout

Well.
I'm mourning one of our cats that was killed yesterday, late afternoon.
She was all black, a small cat, with a meow that could hardly be heard, and she was absolutely completely undemanding. She was a joy, and is being missed.

She was feral when she showed up a few years ago, and we raised two litters of kittens before we could catch her and get her to the vet to have her fixed. She was the dog's BFF, and she came to trust the Roi enough that she would allow him (and only him) to pet her and hold her in his lap.

Sorry to hear about that.

1207 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:37:38pm

Cavuto is going over the 102 biggest wastes in the stimulus package. I disagree with about every other one. But it is interesting to see some of where the money is going.

1208 wee fury  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:38:57pm

re: #1204 reine.de.tout

I'm sorry.

1209 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:39:05pm

re: #1141 Walter L. Newton

What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? You really jarred something loose tiger.

This sounds disturbingly reminiscent of the first time I got on Chat Roulette.

1210 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:39:29pm

re: #1204 reine.de.tout

Very sorry to hear that.

1211 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:39:38pm

re: #1204 reine.de.tout

Well.
I'm mourning one of our cats that was killed yesterday, late afternoon.
She was all black, a small cat, with a meow that could hardly be heard, and she was absolutely completely undemanding. She was a joy, and is being missed.

She was feral when she showed up a few years ago, and we raised two litters of kittens before we could catch her and get her to the vet to have her fixed. She was the dog's BFF, and she came to trust the Roi enough that she would allow him (and only him) to pet her and hold her in his lap.

Oh. I'm so sorry to hear that. Much love.

1212 albusteve  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:39:50pm

re: #1202 Gus 802

What you're talking about Steve isn't me. What you're talking about is Little Green Footballs. You're not really angry at Ice, Jimmah, me or anyone else. Face the fact Steve. You're just angry at how LGF changed over the years.

I just post...I'm not angry, that's a waste of time...you assume too much

1213 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:41:16pm

re: #1206 Dark_Falcon

re: #1208 wee fury

re: #1210 Killgore Trout

re: #1211 SanFranciscoZionist

Aw, thanks y'all.

1214 Millicent Islam  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:48:06pm

re: #1202 Gus 802

What you're talking about Steve isn't me. What you're talking about is Little Green Footballs. You're not really angry at Ice, Jimmah, me or anyone else. Face the fact Steve. You're just angry at how LGF changed over the years.

Spot on analysis of a lot of the butthurt here.

Some of it is also being angry at the 2008 election though. Some people really believed the 'permanent majority' bullshit. They react to anything other than having a permanent majority with total rage.

Kind of explains the general meltdown of the GOP too.

1215 wee fury  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:52:09pm

re: #1205 eclectic infidel

I kiss Mila regardless of her temperament and she soon cuddles for additional love.

My other cats were strays. They always appreciated and loved me. My present cat came from a pet store. She appreciates nothing.
I guess cats are really people in fur.

1216 daddylawbucks  Sun, Mar 14, 2010 9:57:55pm

It is always sad when one of our cats dies. When you really look at the relationship, they are the ones (in many ways) who train us humans ---

1217 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 9:38:56am

re: #1174 PT Barnum

Commie

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 Frank says:

All year long you people manufactured this crap, and one night a year you've got to listen to it! -- Frank introducing "psychedelic music" to the audience of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Science dinner in New York (1968) at which the Mothers were invited to play