Fox News vs. Glenn Beck

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There is growing tension within the ranks at Fox News over the Glenn Beck Clown Show: Howard Kurtz - The Beck Factor at Fox: Staffers say comments taint their work. (Ya think?)

Fox staffers note that veteran producer Gresham Striegel left the network after clashing with Beck and say the host has surrounded himself with loyalists from Mercury, some of whom remain on that company’s payroll. (Striegel did not respond to a request for comment.) When Fox covers breaking news during Beck’s hour, some journalists say, they are flooded with angry e-mail from viewers about the preemption.

Friction between opinionated cable personalities and journalists has also flared occasionally at MSNBC. But Beck has caused such anguish at Fox that some of its journalists celebrated the failure of last week’s interview with embattled ex-congressman Eric Massa, which Beck pronounced a waste of time.

Love him or hate him, Beck is a talented, often funny broadcaster, a recovering alcoholic with an unabashedly emotional style. Yet even that has caused grousing. Some staffers say they have watched rehearsals, on internal monitors, in which Beck has teared up or paused at the same moments as he later did during the show. Asked about this, Balfe responded sharply: “Glenn reacts the same way to issues whether he knows people are watching or not, and is proud to show his emotions, unlike the cowardly, two-faced critics who hide behind anonymity.”

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284 comments
1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:20:19am

Ahh ok… I think the question of Beck’s emotions being fake or not is secondary to the fact that he is so unhinged. Normal people do not freak out like that so regularly.

2 avanti  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:23:11am

It’s the conflict between profits and news. As long as Fox makes money with entertainers and hot babes, they’ll stick with that. My fear is that others will follow, it’s a winning formula.

3 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:23:14am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh ok… I think the question of Beck’s emotions being fake or not is secondary to the fact that he is so unhinged. Normal people do not freak out like that so regularly.

But Beck has never pretended to be normal, and freaking out is his way of getting attention.

4 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:23:24am
5 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:25:24am

Some staffers say they have watched rehearsals, on internal monitors, in which Beck has teared up or paused at the same moments as he later did during the show.

Okay…so basically it’s all just an act. Color me surprised.

6 avanti  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:25:41am

re: #4 MandyManners

Great idea, but he’s a cash cow, and Fox is after all a for profit operation.

7 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:27:55am

I find it interesting that Beck’s production company is called “Mercury.” “The Mercury Theatre” was the name of the radio show on which Orson Welles did his phony “War of the World’s” broadcast. Something tells me that this is NOT a coincidence ….

8 Kragar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:28:27am

Anyone suprised its all an act? I mean really?

9 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:28:47am

re: #6 avanti

Great idea, but he’s a cash cow, and Fox is after all a for profit operation.

So is CNN, and MSNBC. All of them are for profit. A network not interested in profit would not hire Glenn Beck or Keith Olbermann.

10 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:30:03am

The distinction between FNC’s news vs. opinion is laughable. I watched from 1:00 to 2:00 EDT this afternoon. I learned the following:

1. Democrats really want to pass a health care bill and are (shocker) twisting arms to get votes.

2. Lady Gaga’s latest video is teh pr0n and should be banned.

3. Rielle Hunter is a woman of questionable virtue.

Their news operation is presented in such a way as to generate maximum OUTRAGE!!!1!!!11! from their viewers who need to scratch their righteous indignation itch every day.

11 Jaerik  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:30:09am

I don’t really fault Beck. I fault his viewers. Fox is a for-profit entertainment franchise and they’re only filling what their viewers demand. Evidently, that’s politics reduced to a simple-minded screaming/sob-wracked conspiracy narrative with all the shocking plot twists of a Scooby Doo cartoon.

“Jeepers! It was Old Man Hitler all along!”

12 CSDS  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:31:23am

re: #6 avanti

What news station, or any other station for that matter, is not for profit. Why else would they be in business.

13 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:32:36am

Looks like a civil war could be brewing in the House of Ailes. The biggest star on FOX is Bill O’Reilly, who also happens to be one of the least political. Yet O’Reilly has embraced Beck and featured him on the O’Reilly Factor. And it appears that many other FOX employees are troubled by Beck’s presence. But if O’Reilly and Beck are aligned, they’re going to be able to have their way.

14 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:33:45am
15 Kragar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:34:41am

So if Beck fakes his crying, I bet next you’re going to try and make me believe that pornstar fake their orgasms.

16 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:34:59am

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

I find it interesting that Beck’s production company is called “Mercury.” “The Mercury Theatre” was the name of the radio show on which Orson Welles did his phony “War of the World’s” broadcast. Something tells me that this is NOT a coincidence …

/Gets out the blackboard

Beck…Mercury….War of the Worlds…Orson Welles…


Welles was politically active from the beginning of his career. He remained a man of the left throughout his life, and always defined his political orientation as “progressive.” He was a strong supporter of Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal, and often spoke out on radio in support of progressive politics.

en.wikipedia.org

Progessive!!!….SOCIALIST!!!

BECK IS A SOCIALIST?

Just asking questions

17 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:36:00am
18 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:37:11am

Sensationalism gets attention. And in TV, attention (ratings) are the ultimate goal. The very first thread on LGF today had to do with “journalistic content” and the struggle to monetize it. AIles hired Beck to help make money through his “content.” Once that isn’t happening, Beck’s future is in question.

19 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:37:16am

There’s isn’t much new with fake tears and over the top emotions on TV. Jack Paar was well known for it too:

Paar was a full-blown eccentric, capable of switching from laughter to tears, from passionate statements to acerbic asides, and audiences watched, waiting for an emotional outburst, idly wondering if he might actually have a nervous breakdown on camera…

tcm.com

Of course, Paar was actually fun to watch.

20 Ice-9  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:37:37am

Believe in something! Even if it’s wrong. Believe in it!

My favorite Beck quote.

21 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:38:29am

re: #16 Girth

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Progessive!!!…SOCIALIST!!!

BECK IS A SOCIALIST?

Just asking questions


brilliant … you should be writing for Colbert

22 middy  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:38:35am

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if Beck fakes his crying, I bet next you’re going to try and make me believe that pornstar fake their orgasms.

I know for a fact that John Holmes faked every one of his!

23 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:40:03am

re: #6 avanti

A cash cow that lacks advertisers?

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:40:04am

re: #12 CSDS

Why are you linking your blog to Tea Party Patriots and Hot Air? Those sites have lot of haters and crazies.

25 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:41:03am

Somehow I’m torn between marrying horses on the previous thread and the horse’s ass we’re talking about on this thread.

26 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:41:37am

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

A cash cow that lacks advertisers?

I’ve never watched a Beck show, do they usually run the whole hour without commercials?

27 theheat  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:42:36am

Even if Fox kicked Beck to the curb, which they won’t do as long as the money’s green, there are countless other reasons to file Fox in the far right nut category.

It would be like removing a single turd from turd soup. Hardly matters.

28 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:42:43am

re: #26 RogueOne

There have been quite a few articles about his losing advertisers. They run “house” ads instead quite often. House ads are for the station-fillers when there is no one to but the time.

29 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:42:50am

re: #22 middy

I know for a fact that John Holmes faked every one of his!

Very interesting. You’ll excuse me if I don’t shake your hand.

30 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:43:25am

re: #21 _RememberTonyC

brilliant … you should be writing for Colbert

Thank you very much.

Stephen, if you’re reading, I could really use a job and it would be an honor.

31 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:43:30am

re: #25 darthstar

Somehow I’m torn between marrying horses on the previous thread and the horse’s ass we’re talking about on this thread.

You’re undecided about marrying horses or Glenn Beck? You’re more attracted to cash cows. I see.

32 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:44:11am

Glenn Beck!….what’s news?, what’s he done now?, anything new?

33 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:45:46am

re: #26 RogueOne

I’ve never watched a Beck show, do they usually run the whole hour without commercials?

Crisis Garden only 149 bucks! We only have limited stock so buy now!! Save yourself!! You are going to starve and die!!

34 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:45:46am

re: #26 RogueOne

I’ve never watched a Beck show, do they usually run the whole hour without commercials?

His advertisers are now primarily other Fox programs, Cash-fer-gold scams, and now a “Survival Seed” scam company. I’m guessing most of the actual product advertisers realized that they didn’t lose any revenue after pulling their ads from his show because most of Beck’s audience doesn’t actually shop—they just watch Fox all the time and get their groceries at Walgreen’s/CVS when they go to buy new batteries for their remotes. Spaghettios and 2-liter bottles of coke…it’s not just a diet, it’s a lifestyle.

35 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:45:59am

re: #32 albusteve

Glenn Beck!…what’s news?, what’s he done now?, anything new?

Possibly getting a marriage proposal from Darthstar. This may be a rumor, so don’t be passing it around.

36 avanti  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:46:00am

re: #26 RogueOne

I’ve never watched a Beck show, do they usually run the whole hour without commercials?

No, they sell gold and survival seeds, but he brings eyes to the network even if some advertisers avoid his time slot.

37 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:47:19am

re: #36 avanti

No, they sell gold and survival seeds, but he brings eyes to the network even if some advertisers avoid his time slot.

Hmmm…Getting an idea about selling Bunker Bridges…

38 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:47:19am

re: #35 Silvergirl

Possibly getting a marriage proposal from Darthstar. This may be a rumor, so don’t be passing it around.

That was just mean. Funny, but mean.

39 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:47:48am

re: #34 darthstar

His advertisers are now primarily other Fox programs, Cash-fer-gold scams, and now a “Survival Seed” scam company. I’m guessing most of the actual product advertisers realized that they didn’t lose any revenue after pulling their ads from his show because most of Beck’s audience doesn’t actually shop—they just watch Fox all the time and get their groceries at Walgreen’s/CVS when they go to buy new batteries for their remotes. Spaghettios and 2-liter bottles of coke…it’s not just a diet, it’s a lifestyle.

Give Beck viewers some credit…all other hours of the day they’re actually quite busy tending to their crisis gardens with a golden hoe.

40 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:48:44am

re: #38 darthstar

That was just mean. Funny, but mean.

Aw c’mon, it’s too absurd to be mean.

41 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:49:12am

re: #33 Jadespring

re: #34 darthstar

Cable commericials is what my spouse does for a living and I know he has roughly 4x the amount of viewers as his competition. Somebody, somehow, is making a killing off of his show like I know for certain the sales people around here are.

Pay your cable bills and shut up. You’ll watch it and like it damnit.///

42 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:49:53am

re: #39 Girth

Give Beck viewers some credit…all other hours of the day they’re actually quite busy tending to their crisis gardens with a golden hoe.

Crisis Garden: The snuggly of the Apocalypse.

43 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:50:57am

re: #41 RogueOne

re: #34 darthstar

Cable commericials is what my spouse does for a living and I know he has roughly 4x the amount of viewers as his competition. Somebody, somehow, is making a killing off of his show like I know for certain the sales people around here are.

Pay your cable bills and shut up. You’ll watch it and like it damnit.///

5:00 sucks for cable news all around. I take a news break and watch Around the Horn and PTI on ESPN.

44 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:52:18am

OT:

I though maybe Walter can answer this, anyone have any idea how long it takes old movies to move into public domain?

45 pharmmajor  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:52:57am

I think FOX is wising up to the fact that they only have one truly sane person on their network (*cough John Stossel cough*)

46 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:53:01am

re: #28 Rightwingconspirator

There have been quite a few articles about his losing advertisers. They run “house” ads instead quite often. House ads are for the station-fillers when there is no one to but the time.

Beck’s enormous audience from 5-6pm ET still benefits the network even if they don’t sell much advertising on his show. I have worked nearly 32 years in the biz, so I can speak from knowledge. In the TV biz, your “lead in” audience sets the stage for your ratings on the shows that follow. So if Beck is pulling monster numbers, the expectation is that much of his audience will hang around at 6pm to watch Brett Baier’s show. And that means Baier’s show (which is free of Beck’s content) will have LARGE ratings and FOX can and does charge a premium for ads on Baier’s show. There is a ripple effect on the shows that follow all evening on FOX. FOX’s shows dominate the cable news ratings by a MILE. In fact, Beck, Baier, Shep, O’Reilly, Hannity, and Greta are the TOP 6 SHOWS on cable news every night. MSNBC’s top show is Olbermann and CNN isn’t even in the game at this point. And that is why Beck’s power is greater than most people boycotting his shows realize.

This “lead in” factor is the source of Oprah Winfrey’s power. The local stations around the country that run her show from 3-4 or 4-5pm deliver huge audience numbers to their local news shows that follow Oprah. You can check the local ratings around the country and the story is the same.

47 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:53:12am
48 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:53:23am

re: #43 Girth

5:00 sucks for cable news all around. I take a news break and watch Around the Horn and PTI on ESPN.

As long as it’s a cable station I’m good. ESPN getting MNF a couple years ago bought me a new laptop.

49 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:53:35am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh ok… I think the question of Beck’s emotions being fake or not is secondary to the fact that he is so unhinged. Normal people do not freak out like that so regularly.

No kidding!

50 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:55:19am

I’ve always said that Glenn Beck will not be taken off the air by his political enemies. His end will come from his friends trying to save him from himself.

51 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:57:07am

re: #44 RogueOne

OT:

I though maybe Walter can answer this, anyone have any idea how long it takes old movies to move into public domain?

I’m not absolutely sure… I know that rights can be purchased and repurchased and that can extend the length of time a creative work stays under some sort of restrictions.

Ownership and copyrights are two different things. I believe it was John Lennon who went through the copyright databases and found songs and stuff that had copyrights expire and he re-copyrighted them under his name.

52 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:58:44am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh ok… I think the question of Beck’s emotions being fake or not is secondary to the fact that he is so unhinged. Normal people do not freak out like that so regularly.

But Machiavellian Media Manipulators might, you have to wonder if he thought it would bump his market share a notch whether or not he’d marry JD Hayworth’s Horse…

53 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:59:51am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

I went to wiki and there doesn’t seem to be a firm timeline. I was thinking about the old Johnny Weissmuller Tarzan flicks yesterday and wondering if a movie done in the 30’s would be considered public domain or not.

54 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:00:03pm

I just heard one loud explosion, made me jump, and everyone on the street is staring toward uptown… I sure hope a crane dropped something big rather than a real explosion. I was at 6th & Hill here in LA.

Whew adrenaline spike!

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:01:03pm

Just got my tax stuff from my tax lady.

This may sound unpopular…

But…

I pay enough.

Don’t wanna pay no more.

Sorry, President Obama. Really, it’s enough.

56 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Nope. Advertisers were threatened with boycotts by people opposed to his trashing Van Jones. IIRC, Charles had a thread about it.

Nope…the boycott came after he called president Obama a racist.

57 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:01:20pm

re: #53 RogueOne

I went to wiki and there doesn’t seem to be a firm timeline. I was thinking about the old Johnny Weissmuller Tarzan flicks yesterday and wondering if a movie done in the 30’s would be considered public domain or not.

Go to archive.org They have tons of movies that have gone into the public domain, maybe they have an info page on the legalities of all that.

And they have some great classic flicks for free.

58 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:01:41pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Nope. Advertisers were threatened with boycotts by people opposed to his trashing Van Jones. IIRC, Charles had a thread about it.

Actually the advertising boycott was over Beck calling the president “a racist, with a deep seated hatred for the white culture.”

59 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:02:20pm

The real question is how can the damage be undone and how long will it take? A substantial portion of the Republican base now believes in Birch Society conspiracies, revised history and has adopted Ron Paul’s interpretation of the Constitution. I’m not overly optimistic that these elements are just going to disappear when Beck does.

60 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:02:53pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Nice new avatar, by the way…

61 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:03:03pm

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

Go to [Link: www.archive.org…] They have tons of movies that have gone into the public domain, maybe they have an info page on the legalities of all that.

And they have some great classic flicks for free.

That’s a good site. I was watching some old Popeye toons on there.

62 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:03:21pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just got my tax stuff from my tax lady.

This may sound unpopular…

But…

I pay enough.

Don’t wanna pay no more.

Sorry, President Obama. Really, it’s enough.

I’m going to probably need every penny of the health care reform that may get passed (I hope). Anything President Obama has in mind for taxes or ways to pay for this, I’m all for.

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:03:36pm

re: #60 darthstar

Ain’t she pretty?

64 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:04:23pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Nope. Advertisers were threatened with boycotts by people opposed to his trashing Van Jones. IIRC, Charles had a thread about it.

It wasn’t Van Jones and it wasn’t just about threatening boycotts.
The main comments that kicked the thing off were Beck suggesting the Obama didn’t like white people and that he was a racist which came up when he was doing the Jones trashing stick IIRC. It was about race baiting comments.

The campaign was centered on asking companies if their brand image really want to be associated with crap stuff like that and that associating could hurt their bottom line. It was more about PR then actual boycotts.

Here’s the a copy of the letter the campaign used:

I want to alert you to the fact that Glenn Beck—whose show you sponsor on FOX—is using his platform to make outlandish accusations about the President and to advance baseless theories that prey on race-based fears.

He is claiming that President Obama is a “racist,” that he has a “deep-seated hatred for white people,” and that he is attempting to use our government to deliver “Obama-brand reparations.” The claims are ludicrous, and the rhetoric is racially divisive and pollutes our public discourse.

I presume your company does not want to enable such rhetoric, nor have your products or services associated with the kind of views and tactics espoused by Beck. I urge you to immediately cease all advertising on the Glenn Beck Program on the FOX News Channel.

65 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:04:36pm

Is anyone else online in the downtown LA area? If so did you hear that boom? Made the shuttle sonic boom sound like a balloon popping by comparison.

66 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:04:40pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

The real question is how can the damage be undone and how long will it take? A substantial portion of the Republican base now believes in Birch Society conspiracies, revised history and has adopted Ron Paul’s interpretation of the Constitution. I’m not overly optimistic that these elements are just going to disappear when Beck does.

gotta start somewhere, though…

67 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:04:47pm

re: #60 darthstar

Nice new avatar, by the way…

Same to you. Celebrating the 17th? Have you decorated for holidays before? I like it.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:04:56pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

I’m going to probably need every penny of the health care reform that may get passed (I hope). Anything President Obama has in mind for taxes or ways to pay for this, I’m all for.

Anything? Really?

69 Kragar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:05:05pm

Racial Slur Development Not Keeping Pace With Mixed-Race Births, Nation’s Bigots Report

WASHINGTON—A coalition of the nation’s most fervent bigots convened in Washington Monday to address growing concerns that the production of hateful new racial slurs has failed to keep pace with the rise in mixed-race births.

According to representatives from the American Racists and Bigots Council (ARBC), the growing number of children born to parents of different ethnicities has posed a real challenge to the nation’s hate-speech developers—a challenge they say threatens their way of life.

“The world is changing, and we, the hateful and ignorant of America, need to change with it,” ARBC chairman Tom Branson said at a rally Monday. “The time has come for our ugly, intolerant rhetoric to step into the 21st century. Our disgusting, dehumanizing slurs simply must reflect the terrifying new global society we now live in.”

Added Branson, “In order to continue going backward, we first have to move forward.”

70 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:06:53pm

re: #67 Silvergirl

Same to you. Celebrating the 17th? Have you decorated for holidays before? I like it.

Thanks…I’m Irish, so this is kind of my holiday…not that I celebrate it any more than drinking shots of Jameson with a Guinness back and making corned beef and cabbage. I rarely wear green on St Pat’s.

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:07:14pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


“The world is changing, and we, the hateful and ignorant of America, need to change with it,” ARBC chairman Tom Branson said at a rally Monday. “The time has come for our ugly, intolerant rhetoric to step into the 21st century. Our disgusting, dehumanizing slurs simply must reflect the terrifying new global society we now live in.”


Ha!

72 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:07:15pm
73 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:07:48pm
74 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:07:56pm

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anything? Really?

Yep…

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:08:17pm

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Wow.

76 Shazam  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:08:54pm

Wait, so they’re actually passing off his crying and angry bouts as real emotions? I thought they admitted it was fake and just for show. That makes it kind of sadder, actually.

77 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:11:22pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow.

Isn’t going to cost me anything. I’ve spent 6 years trying to find meaningful employment, managed to scrape by, but it’s getting as thin as it’s ever been in my whole life.

I’ve never taken an extra penny from any public source. I’ve been overly honest in taking care of taxes, giving up to 10 thousand dollars a year to charities (as little as 8 years ago), I’ve done the whole complete self sufficient thing my whole life.

Time for payoff folks… and I want it, all I can get, and I don’t care who pays for it.

78 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:12:49pm

re: #72 MandyManners

That’s right. However, IIRC, Jones was attached to the group that called for the boycott.

He co-founded it and left it around 2007 though he’s still on the list of former staff persons.

79 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:13:48pm

So now Glenn Beck will be offering on-line education classes?

This is scary!

Media Matters Video

80 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:16:44pm

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

Isn’t going to cost me anything. I’ve spent 6 years trying to find meaningful employment, managed to scrape by, but it’s getting as thin as it’s ever been in my whole life.

I’ve never taken an extra penny from any public source. I’ve been overly honest in taking care of taxes, giving up to 10 thousand dollars a year to charities (as little as 8 years ago), I’ve done the whole complete self sufficient thing my whole life.

Time for payoff folks… and I want it, all I can get, and I don’t care who pays for it.

tally ho!…there are different ways to work things out you know

81 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:17:43pm

re: #79 blueraven

So now Glenn Beck will be offering on-line education classes?

This is scary!

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

Heh. Sounds like he’s going to charge people $6 a month to subscribe to some website.

82 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:18:20pm

re: #6 avanti

Great idea, but he’s a cash cow, and Fox is after all a for profit operation.

“The MONEY is always right!” Eugene Krabs, Spongebob.

I love that quote.

83 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:18:24pm

re: #80 albusteve

tally ho!…there are different ways to work things out you know

And HCR will plug up one of my holes.

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:18:54pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

But Beck has never pretended to be normal, and freaking out is his way of getting attention.

And we are rewarding ever more childish behavior.

An interesting note - pseudo related to the discussion on the last thread. There was once a time when the image of Manly in this nation was John Wayne.

I don’t care to comment on the whole cowboy thing exactly, or what he was in real life. I mean to comment that his image in the movies was as a man who stood by his word and for the right cause would perhaps with regret at the stupidity of it all, put himself in harm’s way without flinching to protect and defend something. He was a man of few words, but honestly meant ones. He was reliable. Honest, hardworking and true.

Somewhere along the way that morphed into Arnold and Sly Stalone, where guns and muscles replaced virtue as a substitute for the inner things that make a man. John Wayne heroes worried about honor. The eighties heroes worried about looking tough while killing people and wise cracking.

The it morphed again and manhood became something pretty, shallow and self indulently emotional. A John Wayne hero had a job to do for a cause and if it hurt his feelings, he showed it, but he still acted. It was his duty to.

Modern heroes whine an awful lot about how hard it is to be a hero. Modern “heroes” don’t even being all that heroic really.

And then what is the flip side of this?

If you look at a movie like Best Years of our Lives MGM 1947, those 40’s women are smart, capable duty oriented people too. They know full well that they were keeping this country running while the men in their lives were getting shot at.

Rosie the riveter is the icon of feminism in my book.

But what has that morphed into? She is all feminist when it comes to showing she is a ninja… did you ever notice that since 1980 all Hollywood women are ninjas… so that she can show that just as well as Arnie or Sly, she too can kill like a happy sociopath. However, she is even more whiny than the worst stereotype of a fevered misogynist and those forties women would slap her, ninja or no.

The issue of course comes from a progression of lack of duty and lack of personal responsibility. It comes from the self indulgence of saying one has the “right” to never grow up.

And we are left with the irony that Beck is the icon of the “conservatives.” John Wayne would cry himself.

85 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:19:47pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Heh. Sounds like he’s going to charge people $6 a month to subscribe to some website.

Sarah Palin is kicking herself for not thinking of this first.

86 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:19:55pm
87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:20:48pm

re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

And we are rewarding ever more childish behavior.

An interesting note - pseudo related to the discussion on the last thread. There was once a time when the image of Manly in this nation was John Wayne.

I don’t care to comment on the whole cowboy thing exactly, or what he was in real life. I mean to comment that his image in the movies was as a man who stood by his word and for the right cause would perhaps with regret at the stupidity of it all, put himself in harm’s way without flinching to protect and defend something. He was a man of few words, but honestly meant ones. He was reliable. Honest, hardworking and true.

Somewhere along the way that morphed into Arnold and Sly Stalone, where guns and muscles replaced virtue as a substitute for the inner things that make a man. John Wayne heroes worried about honor. The eighties heroes worried about looking tough while killing people and wise cracking.

Then it morphed again and manhood became something pretty, shallow and self indulently emotional. A John Wayne hero had a job to do for a cause and if it hurt his feelings, he showed it, but he still acted. It was his duty to.

Modern heroes whine an awful lot about how hard it is to be a hero. Modern “heroes” don’t even try being all that heroic really.

And then what is the flip side of this?

If you look at a movie like Best Years of our Lives MGM 1947, those 40’s women are smart, capable duty oriented people too. They know full well that they were keeping this country running while the men in their lives were getting shot at.

Rosie the riveter is the icon of feminism in my book.

But what has that morphed into? She is all feminist when it comes to showing she is a ninja… did you ever notice that since 1980 all Hollywood women are ninjas… so that she can show that just as well as Arnie or Sly, she too can kill like a happy sociopath. However, she is even more whiny than the worst stereotype of a fevered misogynist and those forties women would slap her, ninja or no.

The issue of course comes from a progression of lack of duty and lack of personal responsibility. It comes from the self indulgence of saying one has the “right” to never grow up.

And we are left with the irony that Beck is the icon of the “conservatives.” John Wayne would cry himself.

88 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:22:08pm

re: #70 darthstar

Thanks…I’m Irish, so this is kind of my holiday…not that I celebrate it any more than drinking shots of Jameson with a Guinness back and making corned beef and cabbage. I rarely wear green on St Pat’s.

I’ll pinch you, my pretty!

I’m not Irish by birth, but am honorary, according to the Irishman who taught me an Irish dialect, and by the Irish lass who danced at Lughnasa with me.

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:22:35pm

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

Whoa.
-Keanu Reeves

90 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:23:29pm

re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote

The issue of course comes from a progression of lack of duty and lack of personal responsibility. It comes from the self indulgence of saying one has the “right” to never grow up.

And we are left with the irony that Beck is the icon of the “conservatives.” John Wayne would cry himself.

I’d rather imagine that John Wayne would (as Clint Eastwood has actually done) tell Glenn Beck that he’s not acting like a man and then explain what that means. And then when Beck did his whimper and cry act, the Duke would put Beck over his knee and spank him like the man-child Beck still is in some ways.

91 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:25:23pm

re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote

Modern conservatives should be forced to watch She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Fort Apache over and over until they get it.

92 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:25:48pm

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoa.
-Keanu Reeves

I’m not Keanu Reeves. And what is the problem with my point on this?

93 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:27:24pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I’d rather imagine that John Wayne would (as Clint Eastwood has actually done) tell Glenn Beck that he’s not acting like a man and then explain what that means. And then when Beck did his whimper and cry act, the Duke would put Beck over his knee and spank him like the man-child Beck still is in some ways.

politics is the vehicle, money is the motivator and the public are the dupes that buy all of it…AmIdol politics and it’s here to stay….most people are emotionally burned out on the whole govt scam, turn their backs and except whatever new brutality the feds have in store for them…fortunately I’m outside that grotesque loop….recovery!

94 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:27:35pm

re: #6 avanti

Great idea, but he’s a cash cow, and Fox is after all a for prophet operation.

FIFY

95 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:27:48pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

re: #91 Obdicut

Damn straight - or for that matter The Man who shot Liberty Valence.

The Searchers has too many moral ambiguities for the small minded. That is the advanced course.

96 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:29:32pm

re: #95 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #91 Obdicut

Damn straight - or for that matter The Man who shot Liberty Valence.

The Searchers has too many moral ambiguities for the small minded. That is the advanced course.

Throw in McClintock! for a little levity.

97 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:30:30pm

re: #88 Silvergirl

I’ll pinch you, my pretty!

I’m not Irish by birth, but am honorary, according to the Irishman who taught me an Irish dialect, and by the Irish lass who danced at Lughnasa with me.

My Son and I will be in Vegas for ST. Patty’s day… his first as a 21 year-old and my first on Patrick’s day…. our mission will be to seek live music and good beer.

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:31:19pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Nothing, really. Your opinion can’t be wrong. It is your opinion.

You’ve had a helluva tough time, I know it. And you have handled it with grace and wit.

After eight years? I’d probably give up too.

99 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:31:36pm

re: #91 Obdicut

Modern conservatives should be forced to watch She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Fort Apache over and over until they get it.

And The Pony Soldiers.

100 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:31:58pm

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

Isn’t going to cost me anything. I’ve spent 6 years trying to find meaningful employment, managed to scrape by, but it’s getting as thin as it’s ever been in my whole life.

I’ve never taken an extra penny from any public source. I’ve been overly honest in taking care of taxes, giving up to 10 thousand dollars a year to charities (as little as 8 years ago), I’ve done the whole complete self sufficient thing my whole life.

Time for payoff folks… and I want it, all I can get, and I don’t care who pays for it.

I believe old people deserve our help and it is the moral duty of a humane society to make sure they don’t suffer in their golden years. Hopefully the families of older Americans can take the lead in that regard, but if there is no family and someone is truly in need, I think we should help.

101 zora  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:32:15pm

thinkprogress.org

Apple and other advertisers have ‘abandoned’ Fox News because of Glenn Beck.

beckquotesSince Glenn Beck called President Obama a “racist” with “a deep-seated hatred for white people, or white culture” in July 2009, a campaign initiated by Color of Change has compelled “more than 200 companies” to join a boycott of Beck’s Fox News show. In August, when just 33 companies had left the program, Fox News spokeswoman Irena Briganti told the AP that the network wasn’t losing any revenue from the boycott because the companies had “simply requested the ads be moved elsewhere.” But the Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz reports today that Apple, along with a “handful” of other advertisers, have “abandoned” the entire network…

102 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:33:36pm

This is so not right:
minnesotaindependent.com


Sen. Don Betzold, DFL-Fridley, told City Pages’ Matt Snyders on Thursday that Gov. Tim Pawlenty has diverted funds from the “Support Our Troops” license plate program to his Governor’s Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, an office that works to connect religious organizations with state funds.

103 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:33:40pm

re: #97 Ericus58

Mandalay Bay is hosting a huge party with both.

104 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:34:26pm

OK all.. Ten manliest movies of all time!

I mean manly - into the man cave, good movies.

In no particular order:

The Searchers,
Spartacus,
Fight Club,
The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit.
Zulu
Unforgiven
Saving Private Ryan
Apocalypse Now
Godfather
Bridge on the River Kwai.

105 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:34:43pm

re: #103 wozzablog

Mandalay Bay is hosting a huge party with both.

House of Blues would be the place to go for music

106 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:01pm

re: #101 zora

The Beck show is running in the UK with no advertisers - they all scrammed after “the president is a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people” debacles.

107 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:16pm

re: #99 Ericus58

Don’t forget F-Troop. Hearing revelry still brings a tear to my eye.

108 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:18pm

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

I believe old people deserve our help and it is the moral duty of a humane society to make sure they don’t suffer in their golden years. Hopefully the families of older Americans can take the lead in that regard, but if there is no family and someone is truly in need, I think we should help.

I don’t care who pays for my health care as long as someone does.

109 Just never mind.  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:20pm

re: #54 Rightwingconspirator

I just heard one loud explosion, made me jump, and everyone on the street is staring toward uptown… I sure hope a crane dropped something big rather than a real explosion. I was at 6th & Hill here in LA.

Whew adrenaline spike!

I hope it wasn’t the newly re-opened Angel’s Flight!

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:56pm

re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote

OK all.. Ten manliest movies of all time!

I mean manly - into the man cave, good movies.

In no particular order:

The Searchers,
Spartacus,
Fight Club,
The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit.
Zulu
Unforgiven
Saving Private Ryan
Apocalypse Now
Godfather
Bridge on the River Kwai.

Interesting… I have really never seen any of them.

111 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:36:00pm

re: #105 albusteve

Don’t doubt it - probably a darn site cheaper than whats happening at MB, but it was what was being hawked while i was over.

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:36:06pm

re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent list.

Shawshank Redemption?

113 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:36:31pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Interesting… I have really never seen any of them.

Resist obvious spike.. resit obvious spike…. OK you owe me!

114 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:36:40pm

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

I believe old people deserve our help and it is the moral duty of a humane society to make sure they don’t suffer in their golden years. Hopefully the families of older Americans can take the lead in that regard, but if there is no family and someone is truly in need, I think we should help.

I agree, they should be put out to stud and then turned into glue.

115 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:36:43pm

re: #111 wozzablog

Don’t doubt it - probably a darn site cheaper than whats happening at MB, but it was what was being hawked while i was over.

House of Blues is in the basement of MBay

116 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:36:59pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Excellent list.

Shawshank Redemption?

Great movie, but does it make you feel manly in a good way?

117 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:37:15pm

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

Resist obvious spike.. resit obvious spike… OK you owe me!

For what?

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:37:35pm

re: #95 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #91 Obdicut

Damn straight - or for that matter The Man who shot Liberty Valence.

The Searchers has too many moral ambiguities for the small minded. That is the advanced course.

Alas, though, that’ll be the day…

William

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:39:03pm

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep.

Triumph of patience, triumph of spirit, triumph of right vs. wrong.

(and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)

120 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:40:06pm

re: #102 webevintage

This is so not right:
[Link: minnesotaindependent.com…]


Sen. Don Betzold, DFL-Fridley, told City Pages’ Matt Snyders on Thursday that Gov. Tim Pawlenty has diverted funds from the “Support Our Troops” license plate program to his Governor’s Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, an office that works to connect religious organizations with state funds.

I cant believe how fast he has gone down hill. He once was considered one of the more moderate republicans. This is disgusting if true.

121 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:40:31pm

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep.

Triumph of patience, triumph of spirit, triumph of right vs. wrong.

(and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)

Point taken.

Then we have to add the Great Escape and for other reasons, The Thomas Crown Affair.

122 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:41:05pm

re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote

OK all.. Ten manliest movies of all time!

I mean manly - into the man cave, good movies.

In no particular order:

The Searchers,
Spartacus,
Fight Club,
The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit.
Zulu
Unforgiven
Saving Private Ryan
Apocalypse Now
Godfather
Bridge on the River Kwai.

Good choices all, but don’t forget High Noon and Shane.

William

123 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:41:09pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

I don’t care who pays for my health care as long as someone does.

the check is in the mail …

124 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:41:56pm

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep.

(and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)

I mentioned that on the last thread :)

While we are at it, we need Seven Samurai.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:42:31pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Point taken.

Then we have to add the Great Escape and for other reasons, The Thomas Crown Affair.

McQueen or Brosnan? (he asked setting the trap)

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:42:49pm

re: #118 wlewisiii

re: #122 wlewisiii

All excellent.

127 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:43:00pm

re: #122 wlewisiii

Good choices all, but don’t forget High Noon and Shane.

William

Ah yes, and how about The Cowboys, where a group of young men get some great lessons from both John Wayne and Roscoe Lee Browne.

128 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:43:34pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

McQueen or Brosnan? (he asked setting the trap)

Uhhh given the context of Great Escape, you know the answer!

Geesh give me some credit!

129 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:44:26pm

re: #127 subsailor68

I didn’t list that or many of the other awesome John Wayne films sine I already put Searchers on the list.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:44:29pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote

whew.

131 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:45:17pm

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

whew.

I should smack your fat vegetable eating ass for even thinking it was possible!

132 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:46:05pm

re: #115 albusteve

Ah, thats not where they were advertising - it was going to be in the courtyard.

Didn’t get through MB - hit the Luxor, Ceasers, Belagio and a couple of others though.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:46:39pm

re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote

I should smack your fat vegetable eating ass for even thinking it was possible!

Well, I wouldn’t be surprised, ya tree huggin’ hippie.
/

134 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:46:47pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Point taken.

Then we have to add the Great Escape and for other reasons, The Thomas Crown Affair.

Godfather 2
Braveheart
Patton

135 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:47:08pm

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

‘Nuff said.

136 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:48:16pm

dinner. bbl

137 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:49:27pm

re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote

OK all.. Ten manliest movies of all time!

I mean manly - into the man cave, good movies.

In no particular order:

The Searchers,
Spartacus,
Fight Club,
The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit.
Zulu
Unforgiven
Saving Private Ryan
Apocalypse Now
Godfather
Bridge on the River Kwai.

Good list.

138 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:50:04pm

re: #132 wozzablog

Ah, thats not where they were advertising - it was going to be in the courtyard.

Didn’t get through MB - hit the Luxor, Ceasers, Belagio and a couple of others though.

We’re staying at the Paris… I’m sure there’s going to be something in print for the various music venue’s - probably a few flat-bed trailers set up as sounds stages in the Fremont Experience too.

I’ve tasked Man-Cub to make a search today for what pops while we’re there. I’m sure we can find a balance between our music tastes and have a great time.

139 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:50:16pm

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Godfather 2
Braveheart
Patton

Godfather 2 and Patton are of course awesome!

But I had already put two Coppala films on the list.

Braveheart is too historically inaccurate for me and draws too much from Henry V for me to list it though.

How can I ever forget Henry V!?!?

The St. Crispian’s day speech is the greatest pep talk in the English language.

Now here is a fun holy debate.
Olivier or Branaugh… and I say Branaugh.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:50:19pm

Walter? What are your top five favorite movies?

Me?

The Shawshank Redemption, The Wizard of Oz, The Silence of the Lambs, The Fifth Element, and Blazing Saddles make my top ten ever time (the other five fluctuate)…

141 The Yankee  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:50:19pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Nope. Advertisers were threatened with boycotts by people opposed to his trashing Van Jones. IIRC, Charles had a thread about it.

Actually I don’t think that the Boycott had allot of weight like their wasn’t enough people who would of boycott the companies to hurt their bottom line.
I do think it cause the companies to look at the shows on Fox that they seem to be supporting and made them have an desire to distance themselves from him. I don’t think the single comment that Beck made about Obama being racist was the only reason why companies stop advertising on his show either.

142 Just never mind.  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:51:20pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Bullit, and, for an anti-hero, Cool Hand Luke!

143 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:52:19pm

re: #142 Floral Giraffe

Bullit, and, for an anti-hero, Cool Hand Luke!

She likes bad boys ;)

144 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:53:32pm

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

Godfather 2 and Patton are of course awesome!

But I had already put two Coppala films on the list.

Braveheart is too historically inaccurate for me and draws too much from Henry V for me to list it though.

How can I ever forget Henry V!?!?

The St. Crispian’s day speech is the greatest pep talk in the English language.

Now here is a fun holy debate.
Olivier or Branaugh… and I say Branaugh.

I also liked Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman.. The speech he gave at the end was awesome…If I had a flamethrower I’d burn this place to the ground!

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:54:26pm

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote


Now here is a fun holy debate.
Olivier or Branaugh… and I say Branaugh.

Gotta agree. Branaugh nailed it in the performance of a half-dozen lifetimes. Olivier’s reflects it’s time & place too much to separate the performance from the propaganda for my taste.

William

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:54:31pm

re: #144 HoosierHoops

I’ve never seen Scent of a Woman.

Not a big Pacino fan.

147 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:54:57pm

re: #144 HoosierHoops

I also liked Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman.. The speech he gave at the end was awesome…If I had a flamethrower I’d burn this place to the ground!

Yeah that was awesome.

Come to think of it, there are all too few of the teach the boy to be a man movies out there.

148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:55:36pm

re: #144 HoosierHoops

I also liked Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman.. The speech he gave at the end was awesome…If I had a flamethrower I’d burn this place to the ground!

Hoo Ah! It is a good movie. And it emphasizes the qualities of honor and loyalty, which you do not hear enough about these days.

149 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:56:34pm

re: #145 wlewisiii

Gotta agree. Branaugh nailed it in the performance of a half-dozen lifetimes. Olivier’s reflects it’s time & place too much to separate the performance from the propaganda for my taste.

William

I am with you for the exact same reasons.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:56:43pm

re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah that was awesome.

Come to think of it, there are all too few of the teach the boy to be a man movies out there.

Oh crap! Speaking of which? “Stand By Me” is the best movie about a boy’s friendships, in my opinion.

151 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:57:16pm

re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah that was awesome.

Come to think of it, there are all too few of the teach the boy to be a man movies out there.

And John Wayne..He was in a million war movies..
He never served in the Military..

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:57:55pm

re: #144 HoosierHoops

Other than Michael Corleone, everything I have seen Pacino do is the same character.

153 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:58:42pm

I’m in line behind Fight Club and Shawshank Redemption. Throw in Traffic because it runs right along with the cynicism I’ve developed. A little When Harry Met Sally because hey, I’m a sensitive guy - give me a good romantic comedy. And Fargo, because it’s Fargo. There, there’s the best movies.

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:58:48pm

re: #151 HoosierHoops

And John Wayne..He was in a million war movies..
He never served in the Military..

True enough. The real John Wayne was much less of a man then he portrayed.

The point of the original post though is more of how we as a culture have even dropped the pretense of shooting for something more manly.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:59:01pm

re: #151 HoosierHoops

And John Wayne..He was in a million war movies..
He never served in the Military..

And did as much good for American fighting men as any General or President ever did.

156 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:59:11pm

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

Godfather 2 and Patton are of course awesome!

But I had already put two Coppala films on the list.

Braveheart is too historically inaccurate for me and draws too much from Henry V for me to list it though.

How can I ever forget Henry V!?!?

The St. Crispian’s day speech is the greatest pep talk in the English language.

Now here is a fun holy debate.
Olivier or Branaugh… and I say Branaugh.

I’m with ya on Branagh. But, to be fair, it’s hard not to get the blood going when ya have Patrick Doyle composing the music for that scene!

;-)

157 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:59:34pm

re: #153 cliffster

I’m in line behind Fight Club and Shawshank Redemption. Throw in Traffic because it runs right along with the cynicism I’ve developed. A little When Harry Met Sally because hey, I’m a sensitive guy - give me a good romantic comedy. And Fargo, because it’s Fargo. There, there’s the best movies.

All incredibly good movies.

158 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:59:46pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Other than Michael Corleone, everything I have seen Pacino do is the same character.

Yeah. Ever see Any Given Sunday? Worst movie ever.

159 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:00:05pm

Need a Bogie movie…

Maltese Falcon for great film noir and great lines

or The Big Sleep for plot twists and gorgeous women

or Treasure of the Sierra Madre for Bogie as a villain

or Casablanca for pure awesomeness

160 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:00:45pm

Women, where are you?

This is my list of ten films I’ve seen that made me proud of being a woman:

His Girl Friday
Places in the Heart
Born Yesterday
The Heiress
Thelma & Louise
Alien
Fried Green Tomatoes
Anne Frank: The Whole Story (the newest one—not the one from the 50s)
The Color Purple
Dream of a Common Language (play)

I know the last one is a play, but it needs to be made into a movie. There are others that could be on the list. I’ll probably think of them later. I probably should have included The Hurt Locker since it’s fresh in my mind, was well done, and was directed by a woman.

161 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:01:07pm

re: #159 Girth

Need a Bogie movie…

Maltese Falcon for great film noir and great lines

or The Big Sleep for plot twists and gorgeous women

or Treasure of the Sierra Madre for Bogie as a villain

or Casablanca for pure awesomeness

I could watch the African Queen every day..It never gets old for me

162 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:01:43pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And did as much good for American fighting men as any General or President ever did.

And yet James Stewart found the time to be just as manly in his films and still fly over 30 missions over Germany.

163 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:02:40pm

re: #160 Silvergirl

I love The Color Purple and watch it whenever it’s on.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:03:00pm

re: #159 Girth

Hah!

Listening to Sirius radio the other day. The Bob Hope Radio Show.

Bogart was on it. Did a prison scene… Says,

“Well, here we are in prison. Concrete walls fourteen feet thick, iron bars, a thousand guards all over the place and we’re shackled both arms and feet to an iron ring in the floor imbedded in concrete… I think they’ve got us.”

Fucking love Bogart.

165 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:03:17pm

Ohh man, How could I forget Bogie!

Silver girl

So my original list BTW, was top manliest into the man cave good movies.

Top ten of all time is hard for me, there are simply way too many worthy candidates.

166 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:03:41pm

Greatest sports movie of all time?
Brian’s Song
Then the Blind side a close second

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:03:50pm

re: #160 Silvergirl

Fantastic list.

Ripley kicked ass.

168 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:04:04pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Other than Michael Corleone, everything I have seen Pacino do is the same character.

You don’t see a change of character between Dog Day Afternoon and Glengarry Glen Ross?

169 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:04:15pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet James Stewart found the time to be just as manly in his films and still fly over 30 missions over Germany.

Clark Gable also served. As a B-17 waist gunner, which was in many ways more dangerous than serving as line infantry.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:04:44pm

re: #168 Silvergirl

You don’t see a change of character between Dog Day Afternoon and Glengarry Glen Ross?

Same dude… now a Salesman.

171 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:04:58pm
When Fox covers breaking news during Beck’s hour, some journalists say, they are flooded with angry e-mail from viewers about the preemption.

Like little babies when pulled away from their crack dispensing teets.

“Glenn reacts the same way to issues whether he knows people are watching or not, and is proud to show his emotions, unlike the cowardly, two-faced critics who hide behind anonymity.”

Ouch! Not everyone who criticizes Beck does so anonymously.

172 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:04:59pm

re: #160 Silvergirl

Women, where are you?

This is my list of ten films I’ve seen that made me proud of being a woman:

His Girl Friday
Places in the Heart
Born Yesterday
The Heiress
Thelma & Louise
Alien
Fried Green Tomatoes
Anne Frank: The Whole Story (the newest one—not the one from the 50s)
The Color Purple
Dream of a Common Language (play)

I know the last one is a play, but it needs to be made into a movie. There are others that could be on the list. I’ll probably think of them later. I probably should have included The Hurt Locker since it’s fresh in my mind, was well done, and was directed by a woman.

Great list!
I would add:

Working Girl
The trip to Bountiful
Norma Rae
The Women (1939)

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:05:07pm

MEMPHIS BELLE!

174 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:07:01pm

Also every truly great man-cave should be equipped with a DVD box-set of Band of Brothers.

175 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:07:27pm

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Same dude… now a Salesman.

Hahaha. I see your point, but I see smooth mover in one and out of control in the other.

176 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:07:59pm

re: #174 Girth

Also every truly great man-cave should be equipped with a DVD box-set of Band of Brothers.

And all things Monty Python.

177 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:08:39pm

re: #160 Silvergirl

I loved Alien. Ripley lives!

William

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:10:31pm

OT… Beck is an idiot.

179 Tackleberry  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:10:50pm

Been a while since I logged into LGF and it seems as if its changed. I remember Charles and most members standing up against communism from within. Glenn is shedding light onto communist from within our country and should be praised for it. I guess this site is now for all the moonbats!!!!! Depressing…..

180 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:11:30pm

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MEMPHIS BELLE!

Cool stuff but I must admit I preferred Capt. Morgan’s book “The Man Who Flew the Memphis Belle: Memoir of a WWII Bomber Pilot,” over either movie.

William

181 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:11:44pm

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT… Beck is an idiot.

Hah! It’s true—the Beck threads always turn to more interesting fare.

182 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:12:03pm

To balance some of the best feminist movies of all time:

Anne of a Thousand Days. Richard Burton, Genvieve Bujold. It is the Anne and Henry movie.

The Trojan Women.

The only movie I know of with both Hepburns. Katherine is Jocasta and Audry is Helen.

Norma Rae was already posted.

Silkwood. Meryl Streep. Need I say more?

Color Purple was already listed.

Best Years of our Lives. MGM 1947 best picture. This movie almost made my manly man cave list, however the women in the movie are so amazing that it makes it onto a feminist list as well.

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:12:26pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Then why’d you log in?

The “Police Academy” movies sucked.

184 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:12:38pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

You’ll probably get tackled on that one.

185 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:13:06pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Been a while since I logged into LGF and it seems as if its changed. I remember Charles and most members standing up against communism from within. Glenn is shedding light onto communist from within our country and should be praised for it. I guess this site is now for all the moonbats!!! Depressing…

Hello sleeper troll. How is it there in troll land? I hear that the coolaid is fresh this year and the shiny rainbows are still there after you close your eyes!

186 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:13:06pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Been a while since I logged into LGF and it seems as if its changed. I remember Charles and most members standing up against communism from within. Glenn is shedding light onto communist from within our country and should be praised for it. I guess this site is now for all the moonbats!!! Depressing…

What is this; the 1950s? Communism from within…LOL

187 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:13:55pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Do you even know what communism is? Cause if you’ve got a Beckian understanding of it my 6 year old nephew is available for tutoring.

188 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:14:21pm

re: #186 blueraven

What is this; the 1950s? Communism from within…LOL

Well we did out Jimmah last night ;)

189 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:15:03pm

Hey guys, I was wondering what you all thought of the opening episode of “The Pacific” last night. I’m going to give it a shot, but have to say my first impression was that it’s not going to be as good as “Band of Brothers”.

The scene where the Marines used the Japanese soldier for target practice was a red flag for me. I know there was that short sequence showing the bodies tied to the trees as the Marines moved inland, but it came across as a fairly lame “excuse” for a protracted scene that made the Marines look like sadists.

Not a good start IMHO.

Any thoughts?

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:15:56pm

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y’all got that, right?

191 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:17:32pm

This is Becks understanding of communism and the current threat from within explained mathematically:

1 + 5 + 20- 6 = eleventy!!!

192 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:18:15pm

re: #142 Floral Giraffe

Bullit, and, for an anti-hero, Cool Hand Luke!

I also loved Cool Hand Luke, from the parking meters to the hard-boiled eggs to the failure to communicate.

It also made me think, for a time, that I needed to dress in Daisy Dukes and wash cars in order to be appreciated.

193 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:18:38pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Communism is bad policy. Glenn Beck is a bad joke. I am not a moonbat.

Can you wrap your head around these things existing simultaneously?

194 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:19:09pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet James Stewart found the time to be just as manly in his films and still fly over 30 missions over Germany.

Watching James perform in “It’s a Wonderful Life” after his war experiences - made me appreciate the film even more.

195 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:19:42pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

stfu

196 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:19:51pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Glenn Beck is making money for Glenn Beck by pimping populist outrage and exploiting ignorance. Nothing more.

197 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:20:29pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Hey guys, I was wondering what you all thought of the opening episode of “The Pacific” last night. I’m going to give it a shot, but have to say my first impression was that it’s not going to be as good as “Band of Brothers”.

The scene where the Marines used the Japanese soldier for target practice was a red flag for me. I know there was that short sequence showing the bodies tied to the trees as the Marines moved inland, but it came across as a fairly lame “excuse” for a protracted scene that made the Marines look like sadists.

Not a good start IMHO.

Any thoughts?

I haven’t seen it.

I look forward to seeing it though. The scene with the Marines shooting Japanese for target practice is either an attempt to make a weenie statement, or if the brutal, no quarter asked and none given context of the campaign is given with the full scale of things like Bataan and why the Marines would do such a thing - and such things did happen (albeit rarely, and to a much less brutal extent than the Japanese) - it is trying to just be honest about the history.

It could go either way.

198 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:20:43pm

re: #192 Silvergirl

I also loved Cool Hand Luke, from the parking meters to the hard-boiled eggs to the failure to communicate.

It also made me think, for a time, that I needed to dress in Daisy Dukes and wash cars in order to be appreciated.

You don’t need to…but it doesn’t hurt…

199 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:20:45pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

When this one gets brain by the Ban Hammer, please put it on ice for me. We’ll grill it up later tonight.

200 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:21:23pm

re: #174 Girth

Also every truly great man-cave should be equipped with a DVD box-set of Band of Brothers.

and I fully expect the box-set of “The Pacific” series this Christmas…

201 Tackleberry  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:21:32pm

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

202 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:22:05pm

re: #189 subsailor68

War is hell.

My grandfather never talked - ever - about what happened in Burma. He would talk about some pretty heavy shit that happened in Normandy though - he never ever mentioned the far east.

203 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:22:08pm

re: #132 wozzablog

Ah, thats not where they were advertising - it was going to be in the courtyard.

Didn’t get through MB - hit the Luxor, Ceasers, Belagio and a couple of others though.

I was just saying that the HofB is there…and their outdoor venue is outstanding, way cool

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:22:46pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Who said communism is a better form of gov’t? Strawman.

205 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:22:55pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Been a while since I logged into LGF

Master of Understatement:

Searched comments for: “user:Tackleberry” (2 matches, in 1 page)

UCLA Prof: Israel Has No “Right to Exist”

#90 tackleberry :: Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 7:34:25 am
Why am I not surprised about this?

Little Green Registration Acid Test

#254 tackleberry :: Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 4:05:43 pm
Yesssss….. Got registered. I don’t know where to begin. First off, I would like to thank LGF and all my newly acquired friends (The Lizards). Secondly, I would like to thank my parents for being so supportive in my quest to be a Lizard and …

206 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:05pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

0/10

207 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:17pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Been a while since I logged into LGF and it seems as if its changed. I remember Charles and most members standing up against communism from within. Glenn is shedding light onto communist from within our country and should be praised for it. I guess this site is now for all the moonbats!!! Depressing…

hahahahahahahaha
What is this?
The 50’s?

208 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:29pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep them doggies trolling…..

209 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:32pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

Ummm duder, we all think it is a bad thing.

Also since we know what it is, we know it is an economic system and not a governmental one.

Just thought you should know.

There are a lot of different governmental forms different communist systems can take.

210 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:37pm

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

I haven’t seen it.

I look forward to seeing it though. The scene with the Marines shooting Japanese for target practice is either an attempt to make a weenie statement, or if the brutal, no quarter asked and none given context of the campaign is given with the full scale of things like Bataan and why the Marines would do such a thing - and such things did happen (albeit rarely, and to a much less brutal extent than the Japanese) - it is trying to just be honest about the history.

It could go either way.

Agreed. and then fact remains that the dehumanization of the enemy went further among US forces in the Pacific than in Europe. The Japanese were regarded as racially inferior by many Americans.

211 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:25:38pm

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

I haven’t seen it.

I look forward to seeing it though. The scene with the Marines shooting Japanese for target practice is either an attempt to make a weenie statement, or if the brutal, no quarter asked and none given context of the campaign is given with the full scale of things like Bataan and why the Marines would do such a thing - and such things did happen (albeit rarely, and to a much less brutal extent than the Japanese) - it is trying to just be honest about the history.

It could go either way.

Oops! Sorry Ludwig - hope that scene description wasn’t a spoiler for you. I’ll be interested in your take on it.

I don’t have an issue with the scene itself - I’m sure things like that happened in both theaters - but I wish it had come later in the series, after a little more setup on the brutality of the war in the islands.

212 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:25:43pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. and then fact remains that the dehumanization of the enemy went further among US forces in the Pacific than in Europe. The Japanese were regarded as racially inferior by many Americans.

their behavior was certainly inferior…they deserved what they got, they were the racists

213 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:25:47pm

re: #208 wozzablog

Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep them doggies trolling…

TB’s head is swollen, Raw Hide!

214 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:26:27pm

re: #212 albusteve

their behavior was certainly inferior…they deserved what they got, they were the racists

Very true. Japan richly earned the beatdown it received.

215 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:27:01pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Ride ‘em in, cut ‘em out
Call ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Rawhide

216 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:27:37pm

Mr. Tackleberry, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

217 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:28:18pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Hey guys, I was wondering what you all thought of the opening episode of “The Pacific” last night. I’m going to give it a shot, but have to say my first impression was that it’s not going to be as good as “Band of Brothers”.

The scene where the Marines used the Japanese soldier for target practice was a red flag for me. I know there was that short sequence showing the bodies tied to the trees as the Marines moved inland, but it came across as a fairly lame “excuse” for a protracted scene that made the Marines look like sadists.

Not a good start IMHO.

Any thoughts?

I’ve read several of Eric Hammel’s books - who I think is very good and an authority on Military history - as well as many others and i sure don’t recall coming across accounts like that….

218 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:28:31pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Hey guys, I was wondering what you all thought of the opening episode of “The Pacific” last night. I’m going to give it a shot, but have to say my first impression was that it’s not going to be as good as “Band of Brothers”.

The scene where the Marines used the Japanese soldier for target practice was a red flag for me. I know there was that short sequence showing the bodies tied to the trees as the Marines moved inland, but it came across as a fairly lame “excuse” for a protracted scene that made the Marines look like sadists.

Not a good start IMHO.

Any thoughts?

I saw it and though that particular scene was not pleasant to watch was actually glad that it was in there because it indicated to me that the show was not going to be scared of covering the dark side and complexities of war and conflict and what it does to humans whomever they might be and was not just going to be a rah rah we’re the best sort of thing. The Great ,the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Band of Brothers explored those aspects too which is one of the reasons it’s on the top on my list of War flicks.

219 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:28:38pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

Go read some basic economics - Smith, Marx, Keynes, Friedman - then come back and we’ll talk Right now if you can actually believe Beck, then you’re uneducated at best.

Now STFU & go educate yourself, please.

William

220 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:28:55pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

“I have here a list of the names of 207 persons who are known by the Secretary of Defense as being members of the Communist Party…”

No one here has ever said communism is a good form of Gov’t.
Never.

You do realize that Beck is a grifter who uses folks like you and your fears to make butt loads of cash, right?

221 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:29:09pm

re: #118 wlewisiii

The Searchers is probably my favorite movie of all time.

222 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:30:10pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

/gaze

Really, are you REALLY going there?

223 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:30:56pm

re: #220 webevintage

“I have here a list of the names of 207 persons who are known by the Secretary of Defense as being members of the Communist Party…”

No one here has ever said communism is a good form of Gov’t.
Never.

You do realize that Beck is a grifter who uses folks like you and your fears to make butt loads of cash, right?

Good us of the Joe McCarthy quote. Now there was a WWII combat veteran who took the wrong path once he got home.

224 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:31:04pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

Do you not understand that saying that a Beckian understanding of it is an idiotic one does not equal praising and saying it’s a wonderful thing?

I guess not.

My nephews tutoring rates are quite reasonable.

225 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:31:22pm

re: #218 Jadespring

I saw it and though that particular scene was not pleasant to watch was actually glad that it was in there because it indicated to me that the show was not going to be scared of covering the dark side and complexities of war and conflict and what it does to humans whomever they might be and was not just going to be a rah rah we’re the best sort of thing. The Great ,the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Band of Brothers explored those aspects too which is one of the reasons it’s on the top on my list of War flicks.

Hi Jadespring. I do agree that it’s best to cover the dark side - not candy-coat or cheer lead. As I said, I just kind of wished it had come later in the series, with a little more background behind us. Also agree with ya that Bond of Brothers is at or near the top of my list too!

226 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:31:50pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. and then fact remains that the dehumanization of the enemy went further among US forces in the Pacific than in Europe. The Japanese were regarded as racially inferior by many Americans.

My great uncle was a decorated Merril’s Marauder. He was a truly bonafide war hero, though you would never have guessed it from the amazingly urbane and charming way in which he would smoke his pipe and talk literature.

He told me about Banzai charges.

He said:

The thing is, when you were in the States, you had this image of the Japanese as these scrawny bucktoothed people with thick glasses.

It turns out that Japanese Marines are descended from Samurai and over six foot. The Jungle in Burma was so thick you could rarely see more than a few yards in front of you, let alone get a clear shot. Even a BAR wouldn’t go very far through bush that deep and you were always low on ammo anyway.

But you could hear them and they could hear you. And they would be out there calling how they would cut your privates off and make you eat them - and they would if they could too. After a while of getting themselves all
worked up, one would Shout Banzai and then there would be a chorus of BANZAI! and you knew they were coming with fixed bayonet and swords.

When they finally broke the bush line, you had about a second to get a shot off. Then it was hand to hand and your bayonet against his sword.

227 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:32:04pm

re: #217 Ericus58

The worst stuff is often not in the most well read accounts - the most traumatised soldiers do not wish to talk, those who come forward may often clean up what they saw to protect their own side…..

It’s all mirrors reflecting mirrors.

228 zora  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:32:40pm

Kids In The Hall - Communism

Youtube Video

dont’ know how to inbed. a classic.

229 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:33:04pm
Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

We all know that evolution is a myth and that God intelligently designed the U.S. in his own image. Where the hell have you been?
//

230 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:34:05pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Good us of the Joe McCarthy quote. Now there was a WWII combat veteran who took the wrong path once he got home.

I think old Joe said something like that, but the quote is from The Manchurian Candidate.
It is the first thing that comes to my mind whenever some jabone starts spewing stupid shit about how America is being taken over by the commies.

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:34:07pm

Going on a three hour drive.

A THREEEeee hour drive.

232 zora  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:34:18pm

re: #228 zora

oh, it worked.

233 teleskiguy  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:34:48pm

Tackleberry, you’re an idiot. Glenn Beck offers nothing to rational discourse, all he’s doing is making people very afraid and making a lot of money for himself. Oh look, you’ve made four freaking comments since 2007! Get the hell out of here, go to HotAir or something.

Where’s Stinky Beaumont when you need him?

234 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:35:18pm

re: #228 zora

Beck’s college transcripts…………..

235 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:35:43pm

re: #227 wozzablog

And many infantryman firmly say that only another infantryman can really judge them.

one of my heroes, Chuck Yaeger, was very clear that he felt that some of what he did was a war crime— unrestricted targeting of anything moving on the ground, for example. There is a lot of murky gray at the edges.

There was definitely lots of racism towards the Japanese in the US, and we were also ‘the racists’ during that war, as our non-integrated Army showed. We were still much better than the Japanese.

236 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:35:56pm

re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going on a three hour drive.

A THREEEeee hour drive.

Enjoy the coconuts, little buddy.

237 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:36:12pm

re: #233 teleskiguy

Tackleberry, you’re an idiot. Glenn Beck offers nothing to rational discourse, all he’s doing is making people very afraid and making a lot of money for himself.

I wonder if Tackleberry has bought his/hers allotment of Crisis Gardens yet?

238 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:36:29pm

re: #233 teleskiguy

Tackleberry, you’re an idiot. Glenn Beck offers nothing to rational discourse, all he’s doing is making people very afraid and making a lot of money for himself. Oh look, you’ve made four freaking comments since 2007! Get the hell out of here, go to HotAir or something.

Where’s Stinky Beaumont when you need him?

Off riding the range like John Wayne.

/meant as a compliment

239 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:37:07pm

re: #237 webevintage

I wonder if Tackleberry has bought his/hers allotment of Crisis Gardens yet?

I sure hope so!

240 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:37:54pm

re: #237 webevintage

I wonder if Tackleberry has bought his/hers allotment of Crisis Gardens yet?

We wouldn’t want to see him raped by a mole man for trying to pass off non hybrid seeds.

241 teleskiguy  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:38:25pm

re: #237 webevintage

I wonder if Tackleberry has bought his/hers allotment of Crisis Gardens yet?

I’ve planted my Crisis Garden! Only cost me $150! Gold futures are looking really nice! You should see what I’ve got in my safe! My bunker has a foosball table!
/

242 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:38:32pm

re: #225 subsailor68

Hi Jadespring. I do agree that it’s best to cover the dark side - not candy-coat or cheer lead. As I said, I just kind of wished it had come later in the series, with a little more background behind us. Also agree with ya that Bond of Brothers is at or near the top of my list too!

The whole episode seemed to move pretty quickly. They seemed to smush in a whole lot and felt a bit rushed. I’d had the feeling that it really was just trying to set up a whole lot of points which will be expanded on later. At least that’s what I hope. From what little I have read from the creators one of the things they really want to portray is just how ugly and awful this campaign was and that the understanding of what went on during it isn’t as common in the broader public consciousnous as the European theater was.

243 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:39:13pm

re: #227 wozzablog

The worst stuff is often not in the most well read accounts - the most traumatised soldiers do not wish to talk, those who come forward may often clean up what they saw to protect their own side…

It’s all mirrors reflecting mirrors.

Good Points.
My thought was the context of showing this incident of the marines target shooting a tied-up prisoner versus what are huge accounts of the conduct of Japan’s soldiers.
Context.

I await my return from Vegas to watch the first episodes that my wife will DVR for me…. ordered HBO just for this.

244 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:39:15pm

re: #237 webevintage

I wonder if Tackleberry has bought his/hers allotment of Crisis Gardens yet?

you don’t think…*gasp*…Tackleberry purchased hybrid seeds by accident? NOOO!/

245 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:39:31pm

re: #240 LudwigVanQuixote

gmta…

246 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:40:15pm

re: #244 Aceofwhat?

you don’t think…*gasp*…Tackleberry purchased hybrid seeds by accident? NOOO!/

Check his bottom for mole man marks!

WOW and now this thread has come full circle with the horse thread!

247 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:40:32pm

re: #242 Jadespring

They seemed to smush in a whole lot and felt a bit rushed.

Exactly my thought as well!! Yep, I’ll keep watching to see how it develops.

248 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:41:16pm

re: #226 LudwigVanQuixote

My great uncle was a decorated Merril’s Marauder. He was a truly bonafide war hero, though you would never have guessed it from the amazingly urbane and charming way in which he would smoke his pipe and talk literature.

He told me about Banzai charges.

He said:

The thing is, when you were in the States, you had this image of the Japanese as these scrawny bucktoothed people with thick glasses.

It turns out that Japanese Marines are descended from Samurai and over six foot. The Jungle in Burma was so thick you could rarely see more than a few yards in front of you, let alone get a clear shot. Even a BAR wouldn’t go very far through bush that deep and you were always low on ammo anyway.

But you could hear them and they could hear you. And they would be out there calling how they would cut your privates off and make you eat them - and they would if they could too. After a while of getting themselves all
worked up, one would Shout Banzai and then there would be a chorus of BANZAI! and you knew they were coming with fixed bayonet and swords.

When they finally broke the bush line, you had about a second to get a shot off. Then it was hand to hand and your bayonet against his sword.

the epic bazai charge on Saipan worked….they broke Marine lines, got deep into undefended area and generally just went berserk….it took all night to clean it up and the Marine casualties were sky high, but they killed like 600 Japanese, I forgot how many….my dads 2d unit moved in that night to help repel it but after the initial charge…aside from that massive charge, the tactic never worked…they used the charge offensively at first then saved it for desperation later in the war..but the one on Saipan was the doozie of them all

249 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:41:52pm

re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote

Check his bottom for mole man marks!

WOW and now this thread has come full circle with the horse thread!

IT IS a conspiracy by teh ghey! First they’ll legalize horse marriage…then they’ll say they deserve an extra allotment of non-hybrid seed for their “spouse”! Fight back while we still can!!

250 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:41:56pm

re: #247 subsailor68

Putting a vast complex conflict into a miniseries will always see some shorthand used.

251 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:42:18pm

I guess Tackleberry is gone, so let’s stop talking about him/her and get back to developing our sekrit comoonistik plots.

252 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:43:16pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

I guess Tackleberry is gone, so let’s stop talking about him/her and get back to developing our sekrit comoonistik plots.

So how do we encourage the workers to control the means of production more effectively?

253 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:43:37pm

re: #243 Ericus58

Good Points.
My thought was the context of showing this incident of the marines target shooting a tied-up prisoner versus what are huge accounts of the conduct of Japan’s soldiers.
Context.

I await my return from Vegas to watch the first episodes that my wife will DVR for me… ordered HBO just for this.

He wasn’t tied up. They had just gone through a huge night long battle and the Japanese soldier charged out in the am with a few others. He basically gave up, dropped his weapon, freaked out and walked right out into the open in front of the marines.

254 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:43:53pm

re: #243 Ericus58

Good Points.
My thought was the context of showing this incident of the marines target shooting a tied-up prisoner versus what are huge accounts of the conduct of Japan’s soldiers.
Context.

I await my return from Vegas to watch the first episodes that my wife will DVR for me… ordered HBO just for this.

To be clear: They don’t shoot a tied up prisoner. They shoot the last survivor of a IJA attack who is on the other side of a river but is too pissed off to run back into the jungle.

255 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:03pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

Who is next to move among the Politburo?

256 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:04pm

re: #250 wozzablog

Putting a vast complex conflict into a miniseries will always see some shorthand used.

That’s very true. Band of Brothers did a pretty good job, and I hope The Pacific does the same.

257 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:10pm

OH NO! I just had to beat a MOLE man away!

ahem, sorry…

I know…

258 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:13pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

I guess Tackleberry is gone, so let’s stop talking about him/her and get back to developing our sekrit comoonistik plots.

icanhascheezburger.com

Communist Cat

259 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:30pm

Meeting time, bbl.

Great posts as always folks, been a pleasure.

260 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:56pm

re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote

Tax cuts……….

261 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:45:02pm

Well all, must run. Hope everyone has a terrific evening!

262 Professor Chaos  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:45:54pm

I frequently attempt to let Beck explain teh sekrit commie plots to me for pure entertainment value, but I never last more than a couple minutes. I can only take so much tortured (or complete lack of) logic and clueless “history” lessons before I have to change the channel, and Beck keeps ‘em flying fast and furious.

263 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:45:55pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

To be clear: They don’t shoot a tied up prisoner. They shoot the last survivor of a IJA attack who is on the other side of a river but is too pissed off to run back into the jungle.

gotcha - my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.

264 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:45:59pm

re: #261 subsailor68

Laters chap.

265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:46:27pm

re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote

So how do we encourage the workers to control the means of production more effectively?

One word.

Pr0n.

266 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:46:41pm

re: #260 wozzablog

Tax cuts…

OMG that was brilliant on so many different levels.

Did you intend that to have so many meanings?

267 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:47:38pm

re: #255 wozzablog

Who is next to move among the Politburo?

Keep this one under your hat: Ennglay Eckbay. ;)

268 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:48:43pm

re: #265 Slumbering Behemoth

But thats what the internet is for…………..

Youtube Video

269 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:49:29pm

re: #266 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes

;-)

270 Just never mind.  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:49:45pm

re: #208 wozzablog

Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep them doggies trolling…

RAWHIDE!
LOL!

271 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:51:07pm

re: #201 Tackleberry

Wow… Why don’t you explain to me what communism is then and why you feel it’s a better form of government.

Do you not realize civilizations evolve and communism is exactly where we are heading whether it the “beckian” view of it or not.

downdinged for sheer stupidity. Communism? You go, Reagan.

272 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:51:09pm

re: #256 subsailor68

That’s very true. Band of Brothers did a pretty good job, and I hope The Pacific does the same.

The first episode of BOB was much the same. They had to set up the conflict, set up the characters and set up the major premises for the series. It just doesn’t seem as much like that now because we have the whole series backing it up and can see where it was leading.

273 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:51:44pm

re: #258 webevintage

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com…]

Communist Cat

Wait ‘til they see how much our playgrounds suck.

Communist playgrounds suck.

274 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:54:12pm

Catcha later all.

275 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:54:17pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Nope. Advertisers were threatened with boycotts by people opposed to his trashing Van Jones. IIRC, Charles had a thread about it.

Nope, you’re wrong, again. Color of change boycotted Beck for calling Obama a “racist” with a “deep-seated hatred for white people.” Then in response Beck went after Van Jones.

Advertisers were fleeing his Fox program en masse after the civil rights group Color of Change mounted a campaign urging advertisers to boycott Beck, who labeled President Barack Obama a “racist.” As the campaign progressed, Beck began his attacks against Van Jones. Jones was appointed by Obama in March to be special adviser for green jobs. He co-founded Color of Change four years ago. After weeks of attacks from Beck, Jones resigned his position at the White House last Sunday.

Beck said on “Fox & Friends,” the network’s morning show, July 28: “This president I think has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people. … This guy is, I believe, a racist.” This inspired colorofchange.org to launch its campaign urging advertisers to drop their sponsorship of Beck’s Fox program. The campaign had a powerful impact, with companies like Progressive Insurance, Geico and Procter & Gamble immediately pulling their advertising. Since then, more than 50 companies have joined, including Best Buy, Capital One, CVS, Discover, GMAC Financial Services, HSBC, Mercedes-Benz, Travelocity and Wal-Mart.

It’s starting to appear that you get these kind of easily researched and verifiable facts backwards on purpose.

276 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:15:31pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Yep, things have changed. The hypertext links used to be blue, now they’re green. *shakes head*…

277 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:17:10pm

re: #179 Tackleberry

Rofl…

278 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:22:43pm

re: #276 The Sanity Inspector

Yep, things have changed. The hypertext links used to be blue, now they’re green. *shakes head*…

And the Search bar being moved to the left??!!
ZOMG, don’t you all see?! We now can only search from the left!11!11
*Shakes head*

279 garhighway  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:38:15pm

I want more Tackleberry.

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:48:35pm

re: #279 garhighway

U noe liek Gleen Bick? Y u liek commoonistiks?

281 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:52:55pm

I actually watched some of his show a couple weeks back. I try to look at things from both sides but man oh man is Beck over the top. Plus, I was pissed off by his completely condescending attitude to my generation.

282 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:52:23pm

re: #279 garhighway

I want more Tackleberry.

Yeah, I wanted to grill that troll for dinner.

283 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:37pm

re: #279 garhighway

And cowbell……….. needs more cowbell……….

284 ausador  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 11:13:38pm

re: #20 Ice-9

Believe in something! Even if it’s wrong. Believe in it!

My favorite Beck quote.

I’m not going to listen to anyone whose only goal in life is to freeze the entire world into stillness and death! /

/(Hmm…sort of like what the current Republican leadership is trying to do also come to think of it)


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