1 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:26:00pm

Bruce Willis movie tie in?

2 Kragar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:26:07pm

I don't know, I dont find this song as catchy as their earlier stuff.

3 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:29:42pm

NPR had a live stream of the new album, Plastic Beach, up a week before its release. While Gorillaz has lost a little of its fastball (excuse the sports metaphor) the album is quite good. Unfortunately, the streaming audio was taken down when the album was officially released.

I do recommend it.

4 simoom  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:32:42pm

Photos of the construction at the Shaghai 2010 World Expo:
[Link: www.boston.com...]

Various countries seem to each have their own fanciful pavilions that are being built, most with pretty amazing architecture.

5 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:34:21pm

""I look forward to an honest debate with Governor Palin on the issues, in the unlikely event that she ever learns anything about them"
Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla.

6 Kragar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:00pm

re: #5 Jeff In Ohio

""I look forward to an honest debate with Governor Palin on the issues, in the unlikely event that she ever learns anything about them"
Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla.

HEY-OH!

7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:35:21pm

re: #4 simoom

very cool

8 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:42:38pm

Va Attorney General gives legal advice to the birthers.

9 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:44:57pm

Not a huge fan of this song but outstanding artwork.

10 simoom  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:48:11pm

re: #8 Jeff In Ohio

Sheesh. I suppose that then raises the question: is the Va AG himself a birther or just an extremely reckless and cynical panderer?

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:48:12pm

re: #5 Jeff In Ohio

""I look forward to an honest debate with Governor Palin on the issues, in the unlikely event that she ever learns anything about them"
Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla.

Good line, but Grayson is still an asshole.

12 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:49:34pm

re: #8 Jeff In Ohio

He is stooopid! He says this kind of stuff while being recorded? Not very lawyerly of him.
Oh and...what a jerk!

13 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:49:58pm

just posted on BoingBoing:

Trololo guy watches his internet fans imitate him on YouTube

14 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:53:27pm

re: #5 Jeff In Ohio

""I look forward to an honest debate with Governor Palin on the issues, in the unlikely event that she ever learns anything about them"
Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla.

Speaking of tea partiers...apparently their "We're not affiliated with any political party" line is as full of shit as their spokesmodel, Sarah. Yep, the RNC is paying for their signs and buttons.

15 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:54:16pm

OT, from Michael Yon in Kandahar

...stone-aged enemies who sometimes are so uneducated that they don’t understand how to impregnate their wives. For some, their only sexual experiences are with boys, men, and animals. In years gone by, many people seemed to imagine suicide attackers were the ultimate expression of commitment. Today, we see suicide attackers for what they are: Stooges. Ignorant suicide bombers are not brave martyrs, but gullible Man Dogs trained to fetch myths. The Taliban select and condition Man Dogs as precision guided weapons. They are myth guided munitions.

"Myth guided munitions", heh, almost as good as "splodeydopes"

16 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:54:59pm

Ah, the threats come out again. If the Palestinians don't get their way, they're threatening yet another Intifada. Egypt plays the anti-Israel card claiming that the Israelis are attempting to suffocate the Palestinians (let's just ignore that Egypt has no interest in opening its border with Gaza because they're just as concerned about Hamas terrorism as Israel).

Elsewhere, the UN sent in the EOD teams to take care of unexploded ordnance. They complain that Israel didn't let them go take care of the situation but note that Hamas maintains its own supplies of unexploded ordnance (never used, but waiting for the opportunity - as well as using their own supplies of ordnance to be used in their own IEDs).

At the same time, yet another report surfaces that Hamas used civilians, especially kids, as human shields during Operation Cast Lead. Doubt anyone at the UN lost any sleep over that as they were busy preparing to slam Israel for defending itself against these terrorists.

17 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 12:57:53pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Ah, the threats come out again. If the Palestinians don't get their way, they're threatening yet another Intifada. Egypt plays the anti-Israel card claiming that the Israelis are attempting to suffocate the Palestinians (let's just ignore that Egypt has no interest in opening its border with Gaza because they're just as concerned about Hamas terrorism as Israel).

Elsewhere, the UN sent in the EOD teams to take care of unexploded ordnance. They complain that Israel didn't let them go take care of the situation but note that Hamas maintains its own supplies of unexploded ordnance (never used, but waiting for the opportunity - as well as using their own supplies of ordnance to be used in their own IEDs).

At the same time, yet another report surfaces that Hamas used civilians, especially kids, as human shields during Operation Cast Lead. Doubt anyone at the UN lost any sleep over that as they were busy preparing to slam Israel for defending itself against these terrorists.

Typical Arab tantrum: Whine, seeth, riot, repeat. Losers.

18 simoom  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:00:46pm

re: #12 blueraven

He is stooopid! He says this kind of stuff while being recorded?

We'll see, I guess.

I'm no longer confident there are any negative political consequences for this kind of thing. If traditional media doesn't call something out as off-limits within reasonable political discourse, and doggedly ask questions about it, then if it get's covered at all, it probably only sows doubt among those disinterested in politics while reinforcing already held beliefs among the rest.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:06:11pm

re: #15 The Shadow Do

OT, from Michael Yon in Kandahar

"Myth guided munitions", heh, almost as good as "splodeydopes"

Check out the awesome photos of the Predators and Reaper on the second page. Truly cool hardware that brings the pain to the terrorists.

20 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:11:26pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Check out the awesome photos of the Predators and Reaper on the second page. Truly cool hardware that brings the pain to the terrorists.

Grab a tissue before you soil yourself.

21 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:11:43pm

re: #4 simoom

That Seed Cathedral construct is clearly an anti-Godzilla counter-measure.

22 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:17:40pm

re: #20 darthstar

Grab a tissue before you soil yourself.

Now that wasn't very nice.

23 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #20 darthstar

Grab a tissue before you soil yourself.

I'm fine. I just have a love for things that make bad guys go "Boom!".

24 Kragar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:21:40pm

And just because its been a while, 180 rounds fired at 1,000,000 rounds a minute.

25 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:22:23pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I'm fine. I just have a love for things that make bad guys go "Boom!".

Okay, so long as you're aware of it...removing mental image of you stacking cans of beans in your basement while wearing camouflage pajamas.

26 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:06pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Reminds me: The LAT has an article on how the Dubai cops reverse-engineered the Mossad (allegedly) hit on that Hamas animal.

27 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:23:30pm

Israeli-American CEO of credit card company implicated in Hamas terrorist assassination in Dubai fears for his life; meanwhile no one seems to focus on what the terrorist who had been staying in Damascus was doing in Dubai in the first place under a bogus passport and why he was there at all.

The reason is that it would raise seriously uncomfortable questions for the Dubai police and security that they'd rather let fall on Israel instead.

28 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:24:05pm

re: #16 lawhawk

At the same time, yet another report surfaces that Hamas used civilians, especially kids, as human shields during Operation Cast Lead.

Ah, yes, the Hamas fighting machine. Where "women and children first" is part of the war code.

29 simoom  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:24:45pm

Gallup polling results released a few days ago:
Taliban Increasingly Unpopular in Pakistan

The Taliban's presence on either side of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border is largely unwelcome, but increasingly so in Pakistan, where Gallup surveys show they have lost much of the little appeal they had. Four percent of Pakistanis in a November-December 2009 poll, conducted prior to Pakistan's current push to rout the Taliban within its borders, said the Taliban's presence in some areas of the country has a positive influence, down from 15% in June.
...
The Taliban lost support in every region of Pakistan. But nowhere are they more unpopular than in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP), ground zero for a full-scale military offensive against the Taliban last May. In November-December 2009, 1% of NWFP residents said the Taliban have a positive influence, down from 11% in June. The percentage saying the Taliban's influence is positive in Baluchistan, which abuts South Waziristan, dropped from 26% to 5%.

On the other side of the border, Afghans agree with Pakistanis that the Taliban have a negative influence. However, Afghans' views have remained relatively unchanged despite the Taliban's threats and violence before the presidential election in August. In both surveys in 2009, roughly 8 in 10 Afghans said the Taliban has a negative influence.

30 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:26:30pm

Serendipity OT: I was clicking around Snopes en route to looking up something else, and found this sweet old World War II story of gallantry.

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:28:03pm

re: #30 The Sanity Inspector

Serendipity OT: I was clicking around Snopes en route to looking up something else, and found this sweet old World War II story of gallantry.

Good Grief!

/Great story, but when one of the main characters is named Charlie Brown, I had to say it.

32 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:29:16pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Israeli-American CEO of credit card company implicated in Hamas terrorist assassination in Dubai fears for his life; meanwhile no one seems to focus on what the terrorist who had been staying in Damascus was doing in Dubai in the first place under a bogus passport and why he was there at all.

The reason is that it would raise seriously uncomfortable questions for the Dubai police and security that they'd rather let fall on Israel instead.

Seriously. They're carrying on as if this was the assassination of JFK, not some throat-slitting, bus-bombing, kindergarten-rocketing terrorist piece of slithering filth. Gotta protect the integrity of those passports though, don't we...

33 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:29:24pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Check out the awesome photos of the Predators and Reaper on the second page. Truly cool hardware that brings the pain to the terrorists.

Dead terrorists aside, still life shots are not as enjoyable as his photographs of the Reapers and Predators. Excellent and creative photography. He's very talented.

34 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:32:21pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Just went and looked at the pics of the predator and reaper. Very pretty pieces of machinery, I'll admit.

35 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:34:48pm

re: #34 darthstar

Just went and looked at the pics of the predator and reaper. Very pretty pieces of machinery, I'll admit.

Yep and that was all I really talking about. I'm not some Glenn Beck type weirdo, but I take great pride and joy that my nation builds some wonders and uses them to defend freedom.

36 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:36:32pm

re: #16 lawhawk

And, as a counterpoint, those Israeli soldiers who were using Palestinian civilians as shields are being prosecuted. It shows the difference between a society that has rule of law, and one without it.

37 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:36:34pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Yep and that was all I really talking about. I'm not some Glenn Beck type weirdo, but I take great pride and joy that my nation builds some wonders and uses them to defend freedom.

Do you know if the military has resolved the unencrypted video transmission protocol issue yet?

38 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:37:05pm

Need a new avatar? Consider resizing one of these: Cool Food Art.

39 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:42:34pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I'm fine. I just have a love for things that make bad guys go "Boom!".

I can only imagine that terrorists' minds are being blown away (both literally and metaphorically) by those drones. There you are, hanging around your dusty shithole cave, and suddenly this remote-controlled flying robot is shooting missiles at you.

40 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:44:23pm

re: #39 Soap_Man

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

Point counterpoint in the Onion:

Killing Wheelchair-Bound People With Missiles Is Justifiable If They're Terrorists
vs.
Killing Wheelchair-Bound People With Missiles Is Awesome

41 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:45:48pm

re: #39 Soap_Man

I can only imagine that terrorists' minds are being blown away (both literally and metaphorically) by those drones. There you are, hanging around your dusty shithole cave, and suddenly this remote-controlled flying robot is shooting missiles at you.

Instant karma’s gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together Pretty
soon you’re gonna be dead

42 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:46:12pm

re: #40 Obdicut

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

Point counterpoint in the Onion:

Killing Wheelchair-Bound People With Missiles Is Justifiable If They're Terrorists
vs.
Killing Wheelchair-Bound People With Missiles Is Awesome

Hahaha. Fantastic!

"That's some grade-A Bam Margera video-game shit, and I for one am fucking stoked that they did it. I don't know how much that one missile cost, but it was utterly and completely worth it to know that some coot on wheels got rocket-launched into the middle of next year."

43 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:47:47pm

re: #37 darthstar

Do you know if the military has resolved the unencrypted video transmission protocol issue yet?

No, I do not.

44 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:49:33pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

I consider it a minor, not major, fuckup. Sure, some terrorists may have been able to patch into the video feed, but I'm guessing that feed ended once the drone got out of range.

45 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:50:31pm

re: #44 darthstar

I consider it a minor, not major, fuckup. Sure, some terrorists may have been able to patch into the video feed, but I'm guessing that feed ended once the drone got out of range.

Concur.

46 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:50:47pm

BBL

47 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:51:18pm

re: #42 Soap_Man

That monster was a murderer and an enemy of the West, Western values and pretty much all we hold to be good. He caused hundreds of deaths.

Blowing his ass to hell was both necessary and awesome.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:54:13pm

Where's Ojoe? Whig Party!
/

49 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:55:56pm

Looks like Achmadinajad and crew are in the mop up phase. Revolution over. Guess we will have to hope for some other solution to our problems with Iran.

50 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:58:56pm

re: #49 The Shadow Do

Looks like Achmadinajad and crew are in the mop up phase. Revolution over. Guess we will have to hope for some other solution to our problems with Iran.

Good thing we didn't 'meddle'.

51 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:58:59pm

re: #49 The Shadow Do

Looks like Achmadinajad and crew are in the mop up phase. Revolution over. Guess we will have to hope for some other solution to our problems with Iran.

Begging for another country to unclench their fist isn't generally looked upon as leadership

52 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:02:28pm

re: #51 HoosierHoops

Obama is a babe in the foreign policy woods.
A mere mewling kitten.

Of course the Iranians and Palestinians are celebrating!

53 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:07:18pm

I probably missed this LGF discussion seeing as my meatworld situation has been very busy- but has anyone seen the KIA commercial with Muno from Yo Gabba Gabba?

Our children are a bit old for Yo Gabba Gabba so we weren't familiar with the wiggly cyclops but when we saw the KIA commercial we laughed at the sock monkey getting the tatoo. When Muno came on screen my wife asked "what is a sex toy doing in that commercial?"

54 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:08:28pm

re: #8 Jeff In Ohio

[Video]Va Attorney General gives legal advice to the birthers.

Sigh...yet another fool I didn't vote for.
:/

55 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:08:53pm

And now, for the important news of the day:

Bigger Breasts Resulting in Large-Bra Sales Increase. Hello, K-Cup!

We must, we must, we must increase our bust!

Well, turns out nature has taken that motto to heart. Selfridges of London has released new figures revealing that sales of bras with cup sizes D to G have risen by 50 percent year-after-year since 2005.

56 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:09:51pm

re: #55 freetoken

And now, for the important news of the day:

Bigger Breasts Resulting in Large-Bra Sales Increase. Hello, K-Cup!

A product of global warming?

57 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:11:02pm

re: #55 freetoken

In related news the price of silicone has skyrocketed as supply struggles to keep up with global demand.

58 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:11:06pm

re: #55 freetoken

And now, for the important news of the day:

Bigger Breasts Resulting in Large-Bra Sales Increase. Hello, K-Cup!

Knockers up, ladies!
- Rusty Warren

59 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:11:07pm

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

More likely... surgery.

60 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:11:08pm

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

An expansion in silicone sales.

61 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:11:40pm

re: #55 freetoken

And now, for the important news of the day:

Bigger Breasts Resulting in Large-Bra Sales Increase. Hello, K-Cup!


Finally something that isn't bush's fault. /

62 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:12:03pm

re: #59 freetoken

And being fat.

That's unfortunately a large part of it.

Some people of course, just inherit huge tracts of land.

63 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:14:35pm

re: #55 freetoken

And now, for the important news of the day:

Bigger Breasts Resulting in Large-Bra Sales Increase. Hello, K-Cup!

Proof of natural selection!

According to Scurr's research, women's breast size has increased regardless of what the bathroom scale says. "We don't yet know the reason," explained Scurr, "but it has certainly made women much more aware of the need for correct support."

64 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:18:23pm

re: #62 Obdicut

I have a friend who had reduction surgery. She was an "I" cup, wanting to be a "C". They got her down to a "DD" or so, then she had another baby. They want her to lose about 50 lbs. before they'll do any more surgery.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:18:26pm

OMFG! Just got the census form in the mail. It's like, a glabrezillion pages long, and full of intrusive, privacy voilatin' commie questions!

Why does Big Brother need to know who I voted for, what color my dog's teeth are, whether or not I recite the Loyalty Oath every morning, how big my penis is, or whether I prefer Coke or Pepsi?
/
And why do they want the names and phone numbers of everyone I've slept with in the past year? No, wait, that one's from the CDC. Never mind.
/
Michelle Bachmann is a liar. I was sooo looking forward to a big, fat intrusive census form. "I went to a populist outrage party, and all I got was a lousy ten question census form!"

66 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:19:50pm

Right before I took a nap earlier I saw Megan Kelly on Fox (sound was down, I just watch the scroll on that chan) going on and on about Lady Gaga .... looking like she was doing a prudy prudison act or Tipper Gore to Frank Zappa thing, anyone know why Megan's going GA GA against Lady Gaga? What am I missing?

67 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:20:44pm

re: #66 Thanos

....anyone know why Megan's going GA GA against Lady Gaga? What am I missing?


Bigger breasts?

68 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:20:59pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

OMFG! Just got the census form in the mail. It's like, a glabrezillion pages long, and full of intrusive, privacy voilatin' commie questions!

Why does Big Brother need to know who I voted for, what color my dog's teeth are, whether or not I recite the Loyalty Oath every morning, how big my penis is, or whether I prefer Coke or Pepsi?
/
And why do they want the names and phone numbers of everyone I've slept with in the past year? No, wait, that one's from the CDC. Never mind.
/
Michelle Bachmann is a liar. I was sooo looking forward to a big, fat intrusive census form. "I went to a populist outrage party, and all I got was a lousy ten question census form!"

I'm not debating whether the census forms are intrusive or not, I don't care, but there are two different forms. One is probably the one you received, there is another form that has many more questions. I'm not even sure how they decide who gets what.

I already got the standard form, filled it out and sent it back in.

69 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:21:09pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

OMFG! Just got the census form in the mail. It's like, a glabrezillion pages long, and full of intrusive, privacy voilatin' commie questions!

Why does Big Brother need to know who I voted for, what color my dog's teeth are, whether or not I recite the Loyalty Oath every morning, how big my penis is, or whether I prefer Coke or Pepsi?
/
And why do they want the names and phone numbers of everyone I've slept with in the past year? No, wait, that one's from the CDC. Never mind.
/
Michelle Bachmann is a liar. I was sooo looking forward to a big, fat intrusive census form. "I went to a populist outrage party, and all I got was a lousy ten question census form!"

I got what I thought was my census form last week. But it was, in fact, a letter from the Census Bureau informing me that my Census form should be coming in the mail soon.

Thanks for the heads-up!!

70 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:21:52pm

Since we're on the subject of body modifications:

Plump Lips Make Sex Symbols From Facelift Leftovers in Study

Angelina Jolie-esque lips may be closer than you think; as close as your own neck.

Implanting a neck muscle into lips can make them permanently redder and plumper, according to a study that followed 25 patients for an average of two years. At the end of that period, the subjects had lips that were almost a millimeter plumper and 23 percent redder, researchers reported today in the Archives of Facial Plastic Surgery.

As women age, their lips don’t project as much and aren’t as red. These changes cause many women to get lip augmentation procedures, said the authors, led by Anurag Agarwal, a plastic surgeon at the Aesthetic Surgery Center in Naples, Florida.

71 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:22:01pm

re: #69 Soap_Man

I got what I thought was my census form last week. But it was, in fact, a letter from the Census Bureau informing me that my Census form should be coming in the mail soon.

Thanks for the heads-up!!

For race, check other and write in American.

72 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:22:11pm

re: #39 Soap_Man

I can only imagine that terrorists' minds are being blown away (both literally and metaphorically) by those drones. There you are, hanging around your dusty shithole cave, and suddenly this remote-controlled flying robot is shooting missiles at you.

Not even that. The craft is neither seen nor heard. You're just squatting there one moment, and the next you're turned into a dish of Terrorist Surpise: just grease, sear, and toss.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:22:33pm
74 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:22:48pm

re: #55 freetoken

And now, for the important news of the day:

Bigger Breasts Resulting in Large-Bra Sales Increase. Hello, K-Cup!

Or, to quote Governor Lepetomane, "Hello, boys!"

75 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:22:51pm

re: #71 rwdflynavy

For race, check other and write in American.

No way, dude. I want to be pandered to!

76 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:23:03pm

re: #67 freetoken

Bigger breasts?

That would be what she's missing, I never miss those things, Seriously did Gaga shoot puppies on stage recently or something?

77 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:23:06pm

re: #62 Obdicut

And being fat.

That's unfortunately a large part of it.

Some people of course, just inherit huge tracts of land.

And I would also speculate that all of the hormones in our meat have an effect as well. But obesity has got to be a huge part of it - no pun intended.

Actually, I am going to comment on something potentially unpopular.

I recently went out to dinner and I looked around at my fellow patrons. I could not help but notice just how huge the average person there was. I could not help but notice the huge amounts they put down either.

I mean just go out and look around, we have a nation that displays its self indulgence on its bodies.

And how dare you comment on it and how dare you be so insensitive as to notice or say it is all disgusting. No one is putting a gun to anybody's head and forcing them to eat that second piece of pie or extra stack of ribs or whatever.

My mini rant here is that the self indulgence and lack of personal accountability coupled with the endless willful blindness to cause and effect is something that effects everything in America. The fact that we are becoming a nation of fatties is only an outward manifestation of it. The fact that people waych things like Beck and his message of fear and ignorance sells is an inward manifestation of it.

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:23:11pm

re: #71 rwdflynavy

For race, check other and write in American.

"American" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, Mrs. Malkin.

79 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:23:51pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

"American" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, Mrs. Malkin.

Constitution says count. Nothing about race.

80 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:23:59pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

Trivia: The personal information on the Census records is sealed for 70 years. So, sometime next year we ought to see the 1940 records show up on Ancestry.com.

81 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:24:00pm

re: #70 freetoken

Since we're on the subject of body modifications:

Plump Lips Make Sex Symbols From Facelift Leftovers in Study

I have never seen a 'lip enhancement' that left the individual more attractive to me than they were before. And i stress the word never.

82 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:24:23pm

re: #76 Thanos

That would be what she's missing, I never miss those things, Seriously did Gaga shoot puppies on stage recently or something?

She needs some talent too. I'd give a lot to hear a pop star that can carry a tune without an auto tuner these days.

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:24:57pm

re: #69 Soap_Man

I got what I thought was my census form last week. But it was, in fact, a letter from the Census Bureau informing me that my Census form should be coming in the mail soon.

Thanks for the heads-up!!

Nothing like getting a letter in the mail from someone saying "Pretty soon, you'll be getting a letter in the mail from us".

A smart way to spend money, eh?

84 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:25:02pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

"American" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, Mrs. Malkin.

In that case put me down for Pasty White Assed European American

85 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:25:04pm

re: #79 rwdflynavy

Constitution says count. Nothing about race.

I'm fine telling them. I don't really care.

86 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:25:29pm

re: #48 Slumbering Behemoth

Here is Ojoe,

and here is the website of the

Modern Whig Party

We're for real, no kidding, join up !

87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:25:38pm

re: #81 Aceofwhat?

I have never seen a 'lip enhancement' that left the individual more attractive to me than they were before. And i stress the word never.

I have never seen any cosmetic surgery - with the exception of re-constructive surgery that made the person look better either.

Fake boobs in particular look, feel and move fake. More is not better.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:25:40pm

Dentist who ran for Parliament 'groped breasts of four patients telling them he was worried about their glands'

A dentist who once ran for Parliament groped the breasts of four patients after claiming he was worried that their glands were swollen, a court heard today.

Dr Adrian Heath, a former prospective Liberal Democrat MP, allegedly touched women in his dentist's chair in a way that had 'no clinical justification'.

He asked one woman to undo her trousers after 'tweaking' her nipples and told another patient he was worried her inflamed glands could 'lead to other things' as he cupped her breasts in his hands, it was said.

Got a toothache? Open your blouse please.

89 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:25:57pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Try walking around a Wal-mart in Indiana.. Fat People everywhere..

90 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:26:08pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

"American" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, Mrs. Malkin.

There you are again with the oppression of facts and logic!

91 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:26:36pm

re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote

There you are again with the oppression of facts and logic!

SCIENCE TYRANT!111!!1

92 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:26:39pm

re: #83 Slumbering Behemoth

Nothing like getting a letter in the mail from someone saying "Pretty soon, you'll be getting a letter in the mail from us".

A smart way to spend money, eh?


Census 2010 - we're working to keep the USPS afloat 24.5 cents at a time!

93 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:26:44pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

Is this a boob thread now?

New York Woman Awarded $3.5 Million After Doctor Gives Her 'Four Breasts'

Married and 47 years old--and she still had self-image issues?

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:27:13pm

re: #79 rwdflynavy

Constitution says count. Nothing about race.

And "American" is not a "race". Unless you ask certain punk bands.

95 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:27:27pm

re: #79 rwdflynavy

Constitution says count. Nothing about race.

Congress, however - the body which makes the laws - says otherwise. Claiming there's some sort of Constitutional limitation or prohibition on gathering such information is a non-starter.

96 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:01pm

That is one sick, violent video.
Bruce Willis needs to lose a few pounds.

97 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:06pm

re: #79 rwdflynavy

Constitution says count. Nothing about race.

It also fails to mention space travel and airplanes.

98 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:08pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

And I would also speculate that all of the hormones in our meat have an effect as well. But obesity has got to be a huge part of it - no pun intended.

Finally, some biology!

Hormones are metabolized. The FDA requires that the hormone implant be withdrawn for a certain period before slaughter, so all you're eating is an unnaturally beefy cow (heh). As long as they weren't receiving external hormones right before they were euthanized, you're in the clear.

Granted, you have to assume they're complying, but you have to assume that all food producers comply with the relevant standards, or put those non-hybrid seeds to work/

99 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:21pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

Try walking around a Wal-mart in Indiana.. Fat People everywhere..

Try it anywhere, outside of a gym it seems. But yes, Wallmart is particularly gruesome.

I had a friend who was teaching her kids that kosher is better. She took the little ones into a McDonalds and said, now kids, if you eat this, you will end up looking like that!

The flaw in her argument is that most traditional Kosher food is fatty as anything, but the fact that she could even do that stunt in any old Micky D is the real point.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:22pm

re: #86 Ojoe

I know. I just saw that pic and it made me think of you. :)

101 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:34pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

It also fails to mention space travel and airplanes.

Disband the Air Force!

102 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:53pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

SCIENCE TYRANT!111!!1

YES thank you!

Thank you so much for remembering that.

I AM THE SCIENCE TYRANT!

103 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:28:59pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Doesn't mention breasts either.

104 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:29:05pm

re: #83 Slumbering Behemoth

Nothing like getting a letter in the mail from someone saying "Pretty soon, you'll be getting a letter in the mail from us".

A smart way to spend money, eh?

There's no mistaking the actual thing itself. It's plastered with large, bold type informing you that YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW. Which is true. But it's not the approach I would have taken to win friends and influence people.

105 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:29:08pm

re: #80 The Sanity Inspector

Trivia: The personal information on the Census records is sealed for 70 years. So, sometime next year we ought to see the 1940 records show up on Ancestry.com.


I found the census recourds to be invaluable in finding my family tree. I wish the earlier census records included children's names. I see no nefarious commie plot here. Frankly the volunteers and bureaucrats they use to collect the census information are too disorganized to do anything more than try to collect the data in the first place.

106 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:29:10pm

re: #82 DaddyG

She needs some talent too. I'd give a lot to hear a pop star that can carry a tune without an auto tuner these days.

Tori Amos remains my hero after all these years...

107 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:29:14pm

re: #101 Varek Raith

Disband the Air Force!

NASA is a communist plot!

108 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:29:25pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

It's a miracle surgery, for those who need it!

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:29:44pm

re: #103 freetoken

Doesn't mention breasts either.

That's only because Ben Franklin didn't have enough influence.

110 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:30:23pm

Ok found this, I'm going to guess that Megan was having a fit over a guy in drag?
Mongo not know...

111 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:30:38pm

re: #92 DaddyG

Census 2010 - we're working to keep the USPS afloat 24.5 cents at a time!

Your tax dollars, hard at work!

112 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:30:39pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

I have never seen any cosmetic surgery - with the exception of re-constructive surgery that made the person look better either.

Fake boobs in particular look, feel and move fake. More is not better.

Well said. Perhaps i'd be more accurate saying that i always seem to be able to notice a lip enhancement. Even Seinfeld had trouble identifying other enhancements...(Teri Hatcher episode/)

113 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:30:44pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Probably explains the absence of beer, also.

114 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:30:53pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

It also fails to mention space travel and airplanes.

Damn! I gotta answer that too?!!
//

115 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:31:01pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

Thank you.

BBL

116 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:31:35pm

re: #112 Aceofwhat?

Well said. Perhaps i'd be more accurate saying that i always seem to be able to notice a lip enhancement. Even Seinfeld had trouble identifying other enhancements...(Teri Hatcher episode/)


Its easier to identify surgical implants if you have the patient lay down on their back. Anything left standing after age 35 is fake.

117 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:31:50pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

I have never seen any cosmetic surgery - with the exception of re-constructive surgery that made the person look better either.

Fake boobs in particular look, feel and move fake. More is not better.

"...!!!...SanDeE, your breasts feel...strange!"
"...giggle...that's because they're real."
-- dialog from LA Story

118 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:31:57pm

re: #110 Thanos

This is what has Fox up in arms???
*rolls eyes*

119 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:32:01pm

re: #68 Walter L. Newton

I'm not debating whether the census forms are intrusive or not, I don't care, but there are two different forms. One is probably the one you received, there is another form that has many more questions. I'm not even sure how they decide who gets what.

The census has changed, there is no long form this year, everyone gets the short form.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:32:19pm

Pelosi Vows to Go Naked if Healthcare Bill Does Not Pass

SAN FRANCISCO - USA - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday, she's going to take off all of her clothes if the House doesn't pass health care legislation and dismissed Republican criticism that her wrinklies should not be used to threaten the House for more votes.

"I have vowed to take go completely naked in front of everyone if the Healthcare reform is not accepted," she said during a dedication of the renamed Fing Fung Fong Post Office in San Francisco. The post office was renamed after the nation's first Chinese-American postmaster.

Pelosi declined to say who gave the orders for this act of gross coercion to garner more votes, but some suspect the blame falls firmly in the court of Obama himself.

She also dismissed criticism by House GOP leader John Boehner of Ohio that she was threatening House members with fearful threats to gain votes on Healthcare.

"I'm planning on giving Congressman Boehner a huge boner when I take off my clothes and he can see my saggy breasts," she said to a smattering of laughter from the crowd.

Ms Pelosi is even talking about installing a pole in the middle of the House chamber as well as a well lit stage. The Republicans are however prepared and are giving their members individual buckets so they can vomit into them when Pelosi strips off.

"We've got guys taking bets on how low her saggy breasts are going to hang when she takes off her clothes. I got fifty bucks that they go below her knees," Congressman Boehner said before rolling hi

s eyes back and retching uncontrollably at the mere thought of it all.

121 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:32:32pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Its easier to identify surgical implants if you have the patient lay down on their back. Anything left standing after age 35 is fake.

I will immediately begin testing the local population//

122 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:34:35pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Its easier to identify surgical implants if you have the patient lay down on their back. Anything left standing after age 35 is fake.

Or challenge them to game of basketball.

123 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:34:46pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

I will immediately begin testing the local population//


Tell them you are asking them to identify shapes in clouds. It helps not to bias the sample. /

124 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:35:18pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

I have never seen any cosmetic surgery - with the exception of re-constructive surgery that made the person look better either.

Fake boobs in particular look, feel and move fake. More is not better.

Cut it out.

125 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:35:44pm

re: #122 Soap_Man

Or challenge them to game of basketball.


Speaking of which: It looks like my alma mater Illinois will be working on their studies this March. sigh

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:35:56pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Its easier to identify surgical implants if you have the patient lay down on their back. Anything left standing after age 35 is fake.

To quote a certain someone "Fake boobs are gross".

127 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:36:01pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

The census has changed, there is no long form this year, everyone gets the short form.

The long form was a massive intrusion into people's lives, requiring hours to complete if you attempted to be at all truthful. The response was, to put it mildly, less than positive last time around, and the bureau has apparently learned from the past.

I just finished my form. For my family of four, it took less than two minutes to complete. It wasn't an experience I cared for, but it's not one worth getting worked up over.

My biggest gripe: for each person, they demand both their age and date of birth. Uh - DoB gets you both pieces of information, folks. That's what them fancy machines called 'computers' that you enter all the information into are fer.

128 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:36:35pm

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

What the fuck is that shit?

129 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:36:44pm

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi Vows to Go Naked if Healthcare Bill Does Not Pass


s eyes back and retching uncontrollably at the mere thought of it all.

That site is just dumb.

130 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:36:58pm

re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth

To quote a certain someone "Fake boobs are gross".


I swear those plastic jugs make the milk taste funny. /

131 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:37:05pm

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi Vows to Go Naked if Healthcare Bill Does Not Pass

s eyes back and retching uncontrollably at the mere thought of it all.

I am completely in favor of the legislation! Anything you guys want!! Just not that!!!!

132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:37:46pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Its easier to identify surgical implants if you have the patient lay down on their back. Anything left standing after age 35 is fake.

I've seen some pretty magnificent women in their thirties and early forties. But in general yes.

133 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:38:35pm

re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote

I've seen some pretty magnificent women in their thirties and early forties. But in general yes.


Who was talking about women? //

134 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:38:36pm

re: #128 Obdicut

What the fuck is that shit?

The Hocky puck thinks such things are clever...

135 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

The census has changed, there is no long form this year, everyone gets the short form.

I see... but they haven't stopped collecting the long form information, just doing it under another census sponsored program.

So, there is still a long form.

136 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:39:40pm

re: #122 Soap_Man

Or challenge them to game of basketball.

Speaking of Basketball.. I created a LGF basketball bracket group at CBSsportsline today...We have out own web page..One problem.. It displays your real name with your Nic including email contacts...
Sorry..I'm not allowing stalkers to clink on the link and find Lizards names and email addy's.. It's not worth it...So I'll find another site Tuesday so we can play the brackets.. Have fun and be safe on the Internet

137 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:40:09pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

We have gone soft and indulgent on an epic "Roman Empire" scale.

138 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:40:36pm

re: #127 SixDegrees

The long form was a massive intrusion into people's lives, requiring hours to complete if you attempted to be at all truthful. The response was, to put it mildly, less than positive last time around, and the bureau has apparently learned from the past.

I just finished my form. For my family of four, it took less than two minutes to complete. It wasn't an experience I cared for, but it's not one worth getting worked up over.

My biggest gripe: for each person, they demand both their age and date of birth. Uh - DoB gets you both pieces of information, folks. That's what them fancy machines called 'computers' that you enter all the information into are fer.

The long form has not gone away...

After a decade of testing and development, the Census Bureau launched the American Community Survey (ACS) in January 2005. The ACS is officially part of the decennial census and includes essentially the same questions as the long form. But rather than once a decade, the ACS is sent to a rolling sample of addresses every month, every year, throughout the nation. By 2010, the new survey will yield current annual data for all geographic areas of the country in the form of single- or multiyear estimates.
For more information about the American Community Survey, please visit the Census Bureau Web page at .

139 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:40:46pm

re: #137 Rightwingconspirator

We have gone soft and indulgent on an epic "Roman Empire" scale.


Pass the bread and shut up- I can't hear the circus. /

140 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:40:46pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Speaking of Basketball.. I created a LGF basketball bracket group at CBSsportsline today...We have out own web page..One problem.. It displays your real name with your Nic including email contacts...
Sorry..I'm not allowing stalkers to clink on the link and find Lizards names and email addy's.. It's not worth it...So I'll find another site Tuesday so we can play the brackets.. Have fun and be safe on the Internet

I'm interested. Although I don't follow college basketball all that much, I can still get involved.

BBT.

141 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:41:02pm

re: #137 Rightwingconspirator

We have gone soft and indulgent on an epic "Roman Empire" scale.

Exactly... Look how well that worked for them!

142 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:43:09pm

re: #134 LudwigVanQuixote

The Hocky puck thinks such things are clever...

Don Rickles, is that you?

143 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:43:34pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Speaking of Basketball.. I created a LGF basketball bracket group at CBSsportsline today...We have out own web page..One problem.. It displays your real name with your Nic including email contacts...
Sorry..I'm not allowing stalkers to clink on the link and find Lizards names and email addy's.. It's not worth it...So I'll find another site Tuesday so we can play the brackets.. Have fun and be safe on the Internet

Try ESPN. They are usually very proffesional. I have used them multiple times to play Fantasy Football.

144 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:43:37pm

re: #128 Obdicut

What the fuck is that shit?

Yeah, really. Orange John can't get a boner.

145 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:43:52pm

re: #139 DaddyG

Pass the bread and shut up- I can't hear the circus. /

Your damn circus distracted me from the death match!11!11!
*Draws gladius*

146 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:44:08pm

re: #144 Jeff In Ohio

Yeah, really. Orange John can't get a boner.

Now that's funny!

147 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:44:18pm

re: #128 Obdicut

What the fuck is that shit?

Sexist and in poor taste? Yes. I'll start downdinging crap like that when posts about Sarah Palin blowup dolls stop getting updings. Downdinging sexist posts in a nonpartisan way would be a full time job.

148 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:44:29pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

The long form has not gone away...

After a decade of testing and development, the Census Bureau launched the American Community Survey (ACS) in January 2005. The ACS is officially part of the decennial census and includes essentially the same questions as the long form. But rather than once a decade, the ACS is sent to a rolling sample of addresses every month, every year, throughout the nation. By 2010, the new survey will yield current annual data for all geographic areas of the country in the form of single- or multiyear estimates.
For more information about the American Community Survey, please visit the Census Bureau Web page at .

I see. It garners a lot less publicity that way, being dribbled out in drabs instead of unleashed in a single torrent.

Here's a small fact that came up during the last census, regarding filling out the long form with bad information: the Census Bureau really has no way to verify the information. They're forbidden, for instance, to cross reference with Social Security, IRS or any other government records. They can audit individual responses and change the information, but it's difficult for them to actually get hold of anything other than what you tell them.

Just as a point of interest.

149 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:45:51pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

Seems to me the whole point of that article as "old women are ugly, hahhaha, old women = throwing up".

What the fuck is the point of that?

150 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:46:29pm

re: #148 SixDegrees

I see. It garners a lot less publicity that way, being dribbled out in drabs instead of unleashed in a single torrent.

Here's a small fact that came up during the last census, regarding filling out the long form with bad information: the Census Bureau really has no way to verify the information. They're forbidden, for instance, to cross reference with Social Security, IRS or any other government records. They can audit individual responses and change the information, but it's difficult for them to actually get hold of anything other than what you tell them.

Just as a point of interest.

Well that info is giong to make it a lot more fun to fill out now.

151 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #147 Silvergirl

I've always found the blowup doll creepy as fuck too, and I've mentioned it.

I'm not downdinging. I'm just saying it's stupid as shit.

152 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:47:30pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

Try it anywhere, outside of a gym it seems. But yes, Wallmart is particularly gruesome.

I had a friend who was teaching her kids that kosher is better. She took the little ones into a McDonalds and said, now kids, if you eat this, you will end up looking like that!

The flaw in her argument is that most traditional Kosher food is fatty as anything, but the fact that she could even do that stunt in any old Micky D is the real point.

Then she could take them to a kiddush in Boro Park and say, if you eat this, you will end up looking like that!

153 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:47:38pm

re: #151 Obdicut

I've always found the blowup doll creepy as fuck too, and I've mentioned it.

I'm not downdinging. I'm just saying it's stupid as shit.

You guys actually clicked the link?!?

I didn't need to to know it would be wrong!

154 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:47:58pm

re: #149 Obdicut

Seems to me the whole point of that article as "old women are ugly, hahhaha, old women = throwing up".

What the fuck is the point of that?

A little thin skinned when someone makes fun of someone on the liberal side of the aisle?

155 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:48:28pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Dang, and I was going to be Kobe.....
*waves*

156 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:48:36pm

re: #151 Obdicut

I've always found the blowup doll creepy as fuck too, and I've mentioned it.

I'm not downdinging. I'm just saying it's stupid as shit.

I missed the blow up doll post. What was that all about?

157 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:48:56pm

re: #150 RogueOne

Well that info is giong to make it a lot more fun to fill out now.

I have no real problems with the standard form. Like I said above, it took about two minutes to complete. The long form, on the other hand, is massively intrusive. If I ever receive one, I'll certainly fill it out and return it, but I'm not going to get up out of my chair to go look for any of the information they ask for.

158 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:49:17pm

re: #151 Obdicut

I've always found the blowup doll creepy as fuck too, and I've mentioned it.

I'm not downdinging. I'm just saying it's stupid as shit.

I take my comment back.

159 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:49:53pm

re: #140 Soap_Man

I'm interested. Although I don't follow college basketball all that much, I can still get involved.

BBT.

It will be fun..You just log in a make your picks with your LGF nic and we'll see who wins..In a safe secure page that doesn't allow personal info to be seen.
You know what is sad? Some young lady here who has never seen a College Basketball game will kick all our asses...
We have this retired old woman that plays in one of our football pools every year...I don't know how she got in...I have never beaten her for the season..And it pisses me off...Dang her!
some old grey hair lady sitting in a rocking Chair knitting sweaters and watching football and beating the Hoopster at picks?
It bothers me to no end..
*what does that old woman know that I don't know..Better pick more upsets*
She is in my head

160 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:50:24pm

re: #151 Obdicut

I've always found the blowup doll creepy as fuck too, and I've mentioned it.

I'm not downdinging. I'm just saying it's stupid as shit.

It is. No, it's actually more stupid.

Good for you to fight against the blowup doll and other forms of degradation to women. I'll applaud more of it.

I didn't mean to imply you were downdinging, yet it did receive them while other forms of "humor" receive encouragement if the target is the right one.

161 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:50:51pm

re: #110 Thanos
Good Lord that was ugly. Perhaps the most extreme disconnect between my eyes and ears ever.... I like Lady GaGa. Not her music. Not her looks. I am totally enamored with her attitude and understanding of music, fans and art. I'd rather meet her than any current pop star you could name. The "infamous" wardrobe slip she had at an outdoor concert went viral. I watched it to see what all the attention was about, an alleged penis appearance.

Okay so there was this odd moment (was that a mandrake? Maybe not) then she talks to the huge cold wet dirty audience. She gave therm credit for "suffering for their music".

Yup most of us did that, long lines awful stadiums, mud, inadequate services, and nobody cared they were there to see and hear (fill in blank)

Maybe more than any performer out there she gets it. And I could care less if she is a she or a hermaphrodite or whatever.

162 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:50:55pm

Here's a petition being floated by the Republican Jewish Coalition:


Dear President Obama,

I am deeply angry and disturbed by the recent actions of your administration regarding Israel.

Vice President Biden, speaking for you, and Secretary of State Clinton, again speaking on your behalf, have condemned and harassed Israel for what should have been seen as an embarrassing mistake that was easily smoothed over between friends.

Instead, people close to you - from the Vice President to David Axelrod - have castigated Israel in the most severe terms. The language they’ve used is shocking between allies, especially when the administration repeatedly reaches out to our enemies and lets serious affronts from Iran, Syria, Russia, and China go by without complaint.

Your spokesmen have said that building housing in East Jerusalem is a blow to the U.S.-Israel relationship and even endangers our brave military personnel in the region. The U.S.-Israel relationship, based on shared values and interests that go back decades, should certainly have been able to weather the small storm of a badly-timed announcement of housing construction in Jerusalem. Linking that construction to events in Iraq and Afghanistan emboldens Israel’s enemies, who seek to blame Israel’s existence for every problem in the region, including problems like jihadist terrorism, which have nothing to do with the Jewish state.

All of this is a troubling distraction from the real threat to U.S. interests in the region; the approaching Iranian nuclear capability.

I am also disturbed by reports from Israel that your administration is pressuring Israel to make a show of concession, perhaps releasing Palestinian prisoners or turning over areas in the West Bank to the Palestinians. Palestinian leaders will now harden their stand toward Israel. They will refuse, again, to come to the negotiating table or to take concrete steps for peace because you have made items for negotiation into preconditions for the Palestinians to insist on before talks can begin.

Mr. President, please stop pressuring Israel in this one-sided way. You promised to be a friend of Israel and an honest broker in trying to bring about a negotiated peace. The actions of your administration in recent days have moved us dangerously far in the other direction.

I am a proud American and like the vast majority of Americans, I value the strong strategic alliance the U.S. and Israel have built. Please change course now, and don’t let that alliance weaken any further.

If interested in signing, go here:
[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

163 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:51:38pm

re: #159 HoosierHoops

You know what is sad? Some young lady here who has never seen a College Basketball game will kick all our asses...

Hee Hee!
Thanks for calling me a "young lady"!
;)

164 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:52:18pm

re: #152 Alouette

Then she could take them to a kiddush in Boro Park and say, if you eat this, you will end up looking like that!

LOL you are awesome!

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:52:45pm

re: #156 NJDhockeyfan

I missed the blow up doll post. What was that all about?

This?

166 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:53:14pm

re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth

This?

ROFLMAO!

167 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:53:18pm

I'm gonna get really pissed off if folks start making fun of Hillary Clinton's looks.

168 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:53:57pm

re: #163 Floral Giraffe

You know what is sad? Some young lady here who has never seen a College Basketball game will kick all our asses...

Hee Hee!
Thanks for calling me a "young lady"!
;)

You are more than Beautiful..
You have a heart of Gold
*waves*

169 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:55:02pm

re: #167 Spare O'Lake

I'm gonna get really pissed off if folks start making fun of Hillary Clinton's looks.

I really don't understand why people make fun of anyone, just because of the way they look.

170 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:55:10pm

re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth

Now lets see that doll get after the traveling lawn gnome guy! Love to see that travel commercial.... Heh, Kandahar vacation plans?

171 avanti  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:55:48pm

Read about the new text books coming thanks to Texas.

172 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:56:49pm

re: #171 avanti

Read about the new text books coming thanks to Texastan.

FTFY

173 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:56:49pm

re: #157 SixDegrees

I have no real problems with the standard form. Like I said above, it took about two minutes to complete. The long form, on the other hand, is massively intrusive. If I ever receive one, I'll certainly fill it out and return it, but I'm not going to get up out of my chair to go look for any of the information they ask for.

And there still is a long form... or am I confused?

174 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:56:56pm

re: #168 HoosierHoops

Can I still be Kobe?
Was he any good in college?
{{HH}}

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:57:06pm

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi Vows to Go Naked if Healthcare Bill Does Not Pass

s eyes back and retching uncontrollably at the mere thought of it all.

Lol hating on the effective house leader.

Because that's why Republicans hate Pelosi. She's effective. Can't have that!

176 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:58:02pm

re: #161 Rightwingconspirator

I finally figured out who Lady Gaga was...I was confusing her with Gabby Lala.

Incidentally, I have a funny story about seeing her in concert. She opened for a band called Particle. My buddy and I had eaten a few choice fungi, and when Gabby took the stage, he was just starting to take off on his trip...her music is kind of a performance art...sampling different sounds as she constructs a piece on stage. My buddy Bill was not having an easy time dealing with her weirdness, and kept shouting, "What the fuck is this shit?"

177 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:58:27pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

And there still is a long form... or am I confused?

Going by what you mentioned earlier - they still send it out, but not with the regular forms, preferring a random distribution scattered throughout the decade.

178 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:58:27pm

re: #162 MJ

I'm not Jewish. Can I still sign?

179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:59:21pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

I just hate her because she's beautiful.

180 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:59:37pm

Then why is goddamnedfrank telling me there is no long form?

181 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:00:27pm

re: #174 Floral Giraffe

Can I still be Kobe?
Was he any good in college?
{{HH}}

{Floral}
Kobe never went to College..
You'll be able to go to the bracket and pick what College you think will win The Championship.. 80% of everybody it seems are picking Kansas to win..
Safe pick.. I'm not sure yet

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:00:42pm

re: #34 darthstar

Just went and looked at the pics of the predator and reaper. Very pretty pieces of machinery, I'll admit.

They're cool, but really, I only get fired up about machinery I can walk onto a lot, sign on the dotted line, and drive off in. ;-)

183 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:01:12pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

Lol hating on the effective house leader.

Because that's why Republicans hate Pelosi. She's effective. Can't have that!

Can you explain to me why you would rate the Speaker as "effective"?

184 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:01:28pm

re: #178 MandyManners

I'm not Jewish. Can I still sign?

Remember that Rye Bread commercial from years ago?

You don't have to be Jewish to like Levy's:

[Link: images.google.com...]

You don't have t be Jewish to sign the petition.

185 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:01:34pm

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

ahahahaha memories!

Where's that totally awesome Klingon happy meal commercial I found...

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:01:52pm

re: #183 Jetpilot1101

Can you explain to me why you would rate the Speaker as "effective"?

She gets the votes, keeps the house in line.

Effective!

187 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:03:23pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

She gets the votes, keeps the house in line.

Effective!

I understand this is just one issue, but why pray tell, has HCR not passed yet if she is so effective?

188 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:03:38pm

re: #162 MJ

Translation: Kill the mooslims!

We haven't done Israel any favors by turning a blind eye to their government's faults. By claiming that one side is without sin and the other is without merit, we kill any hope of working toward peace. Thomas Friedman (whom I don't believe anyone could claim is an anti-semite) said it well the other day when he made the comment about friends not letting friends drive drunk, and that Israel was driving drunk.

And acknowledging that their government isn't perfect isn't the same as abandoning them.

189 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:03:43pm

Today's insight
Debate:
Babble instead of Battle

190 zora  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:03:49pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

i've read that that are no long forms for 2010. all homes should receive a short form.

191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:04:17pm

re: #183 Jetpilot1101

Also, notice all those people in her district? You know, the ones that she represents, that actually vote for her? They love her. Give her landslide victories.

Effective!

192 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:04:33pm

re: #181 HoosierHoops

{Floral}
Kobe never went to College..
You'll be able to go to the bracket and pick what College you think will win The Championship.. 80% of everybody it seems are picking Kansas to win..
Safe pick.. I'm not sure yet

Texas went to #1, and then collapsed in historic time. It only makes sense that they will win it all.

193 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:05:10pm

re: #187 Jetpilot1101

I understand this is just one issue, but why pray tell, has HCR not passed yet if she is so effective?

The house passed their HC bill last Fall.

194 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:05:13pm

re: #190 zora

i've read that that are no long forms for 2010. all homes should receive a short form.

I just received my census today (short form). Filled it out and dropped it in the mail. Very easy and it did not ask me to divulge a ton of personal information.

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:05:35pm

re: #187 Jetpilot1101

I understand this is just one issue, but why pray tell, has HCR not passed yet if she is so effective?

It's a waste of my time to explain this to you, because you don't seem to understand that Nancy Pelosi is not a Senator.

Sorry chump, not taking the bait. Crack a newspaper and read up on how your government works.

196 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:06:03pm

re: #178 MandyManners

I'm not Jewish. Can I still sign?

You don't even need to be a Republican to sign.

197 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:06:27pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

I really don't understand why people make fun of anyone, just because of the way they look.

No, I really don't understand it either, how people can be so mean and petty...uh...wait a second...that's it!
People ARE mean and petty!

198 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:06:40pm

re: #190 zora

i've read that that are no long forms for 2010. all homes should receive a short form.

Look upthread; they send them out continuously now, instead of all at once, to defuse the massive opposition they encountered last time around.

199 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:06:54pm

re: #195 WindUpBird

It's a waste of my time to explain this to you, because you don't seem to understand that Nancy Pelosi is not a Senator.

Sorry chump, not taking the bait. Crack a newspaper and read up on how your government works.

Wow. Not only arrogant, but arrogantly wrong. You realize it has already passed the senate, right?

200 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:07:18pm

re: #195 WindUpBird

It's a waste of my time to explain this to you, because you don't seem to understand that Nancy Pelosi is not a Senator.

Sorry chump, not taking the bait. Crack a newspaper and read up on how your government works.

There is no need to be insulting. I was asking a simple question on why you would rate the speaker as "effective". You answered my question. Thank you very much. I'm unsure as to why you felt you needed to heap an insult on top of your answer.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:07:20pm

Brazil's president, on visit to Israel, backs Iran

JERUSALEM - Brazil's president made a case Monday for playing a larger role in Mideast diplomacy, despite Israel's deep discomfort with his opposition to sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

The Brazilian president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, supports Iran's right to develop nuclear energy, a program that concerns Israel and other nations because of suspicions it is a cover for weapons development.

The Brazilian leader has also rejected sanctions on Iran, which he sees as a key partner in the sort of trade alliances that can reduce the developing world's economic reliance on powerful nations like the U.S.

202 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:07:43pm

re: #192 cliffster

Texas went to #1, and then collapsed in historic time. It only makes sense that they will win it all.

Many are saying that Kansas is in the Toughest brackets they have ever seen in all history...Bob Ryan claims 11 teams could beat them...Kansas is f*cked..
I love Wall and Cousins for the wildcats..
Cousin is a monster...

203 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:08:24pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Then why is goddamnedfrank telling me there is no long form?

This year. But of course you understood that and are now being deliberately obtuse.

204 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:08:48pm

re: #181 HoosierHoops

You know, if 80% are picking Kansas, someone else will win.
I'll have to look at the Vegas odds.
( I know nothing about this at all!)

205 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:08:52pm

Windup, you have a bad day today or is Nancy your aunt or something? You're usually acerbic but not assholish.

206 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:09:07pm

re: #178 MandyManners

I'm not Jewish. Can I still sign?


I bet they would be honoured and privileged to have you sign.

BTW I'm not an American. Can I still sign?

207 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:10:20pm

re: #188 darthstar

Translation: Kill the mooslims!

We haven't done Israel any favors by turning a blind eye to their government's faults. By claiming that one side is without sin and the other is without merit, we kill any hope of working toward peace. Thomas Friedman (whom I don't believe anyone could claim is an anti-semite) said it well the other day when he made the comment about friends not letting friends drive drunk, and that Israel was driving drunk.

And acknowledging that their government isn't perfect isn't the same as abandoning them.

"Kill the mooslims"?

You're an ass.

208 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:10:23pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

Many are saying that Kansas is in the Toughest brackets they have ever seen in all history...Bob Ryan claims 11 teams could beat them...Kansas is f*cked..
I love Wall and Cousins for the wildcats..
Cousin is a monster...

Yeah, that's the problem - everyone has a bad night and if you want to go all the way you have to win on those bad nights. Kansas will have a hard time winning on those nights with their competition.

209 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:10:38pm

re: #178 MandyManners

I'm not Jewish. Can I still sign?

I am now Jewish. I was adopted here on LGF. Just ask and you can be too. Maybe you already are.

210 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:11:08pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

This year. But of course you understood that and are now being deliberately obtuse.

Evidently there is a long form ALL YEAR... not just his year. Did you read the link you gave me.

211 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:11:18pm

re: #207 MJ

"Kill the mooslims"?

You're an ass.

Wow...nobody's ever called me an ass before. Updinged for originality!

212 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:11:35pm

re: #209 Silvergirl

I am now Jewish. I was adopted here on LGF. Just ask and you can be too. Maybe you already are.

Kewl! I want to be adopted too!
Heck, I'm a big supporter of Israel, adopted Jewish, or not!

213 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:12:03pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Brazil's president, on visit to Israel, backs Iran

Isn't Brazil chummy with Chavez?

214 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:12:11pm

Muslim gangs imposing sharia law in British prisons

Non-Muslim inmates at the high-security Long Lartin jail have been forced by the gangs to stop playing "Western" music and take down pictures of women from their cells, according to one former prison officer there. Prisoners at the jail, although allowed to cook their own food, are not allowed to prepare pork for fear of offending the Muslim inmates, the officer said.

The officer, speaking to Radio Five Live's Donal Macintyre show, told how younger prisoners were targeted for forced conversion to Islam by the gangs. "They went along because they were intimidated. They genuinely weren't of the Muslim faith," she said. "I knew one lad quite well, who was approached by the radical Muslims and he changed. He was being controlled and bossed around and he wasn't even allowed to look at me or speak to me.

"He just seemed very frightened all the time. He used to be forced to pray at certain times and he was even forced to grow a long beard even though he didn't want to."

One Catholic prisoner who refused to convert was seriously assaulted after being repeatedly threatened by the gang, the officer said. "He said every so often they would come to his cell and hold the Koran up through the small window in the cell door and start running their fingers along their throats," she said.

The officer's testimony is consistent with findings by the official prison watchdog, the chief inspector of prisons. In a report last year, the inspector, Anne Owers, quoted a number of prisoners at Long Lartin about the increasing dominance of Muslim gangs in the jail.

Long Lartin was, said one, "turning into an American-style jail, [where] if you are not in a gang, you're in trouble. People are converting to Islam for protection."

215 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:12:27pm

re: #208 cliffster

Yeah, that's the problem - everyone has a bad night and if you want to go all the way you have to win on those bad nights. Kansas will have a hard time winning on those nights with their competition.

Duke has the easiest road to the final 4.. People are just screaming about it..

216 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:12:41pm

re: #211 darthstar

Wow...nobody's ever called me an ass before. Updinged for originality!

updinged for turning the other cheek

217 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:13:02pm

re: #188 darthstar

Translation: Kill the mooslims!

We haven't done Israel any favors by turning a blind eye to their government's faults. By claiming that one side is without sin and the other is without merit, we kill any hope of working toward peace. Thomas Friedman (whom I don't believe anyone could claim is an anti-semite) said it well the other day when he made the comment about friends not letting friends drive drunk, and that Israel was driving drunk.

And acknowledging that their government isn't perfect isn't the same as abandoning them.

No one is claiming Tom Friedman is an anti-Semite, but he is a stupid tool of the Saudis.

218 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:14:54pm

re: #212 Floral Giraffe

Kewl! I want to be adopted too!
Heck, I'm a big supporter of Israel, adopted Jewish, or not!

You can buy a T-shirt at the Zionist Mall.

219 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:14:57pm

I'm gonna' step back before I open a 55-gallon drum of whoop-ass.

220 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:15:09pm

BBL. Relax people.

221 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:17:07pm

re: #209 Silvergirl

I am now Jewish. I was adopted here on LGF. Just ask and you can be too. Maybe you already are.

I'm a 'near-jew' by marriage. My wife is a 'near-jew' as many of her college friends from Penn have moved out here and are all still very close (we go to their Passover, Seders, Channukah parties, etc.--I love the beet-stained horseradish!)...it's really quite fun, and I enjoy learning a bit about jewish custom...they're great people. (the "near-jew" part comes from invites they send out to their "Jewish friends and near-jews".)

222 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:18:07pm

re: #217 Alouette

No one is claiming Tom Friedman is an anti-Semite, but he is a stupid tool of the Saudis.

Well what about General Petraeus?

[Link: mideast.foreignpolicy.com...]

223 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:18:11pm

re: #213 MandyManners

I like your new avatar, Mandy!

224 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:18:27pm

re: #188 darthstar

Translation: Kill the mooslims!

We haven't done Israel any favors by turning a blind eye to their government's faults. By claiming that one side is without sin and the other is without merit, we kill any hope of working toward peace. Thomas Friedman (whom I don't believe anyone could claim is an anti-semite) said it well the other day when he made the comment about friends not letting friends drive drunk, and that Israel was driving drunk.

And acknowledging that their government isn't perfect isn't the same as abandoning them.

Why does Obama bow down to and kiss the ass of every America-hater in the region, but rags on America's only real ally just because they have a diplomatic misunderstanding. And by the way, trying to blame Israel for American casualties is not only scapegoating of the worst kind, it is also delusional.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:19:24pm

re: #191 WindUpBird

Also, notice all those people in her district? You know, the ones that she represents, that actually vote for her? They love her. Give her landslide victories.

Effective!

I have no love for Nancy myself, but I had to laugh when someone told me recently that "The People" are sick of her, and "The People" are going to vote her out of office.

Asked to clarify what this person meant by "The People", and the response was "Everyone in America". I told this person that "Everyone in America" does not get to vote one way or the other for Nancy, only the people in her district, to which this person responded "Oh yeah, then how did she get to be speaker of the house"?

End of conversation.

226 zora  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:21:26pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

how is israel america's only real ally?

227 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:22:43pm

re: #221 darthstar

I'm a 'near-jew' by marriage. My wife is a 'near-jew' as many of her college friends from Penn have moved out here and are all still very close (we go to their Passover, Seders, Channukah parties, etc.--I love the beet-stained horseradish!)...it's really quite fun, and I enjoy learning a bit about jewish custom...they're great people. (the "near-jew" part comes from invites they send out to their "Jewish friends and near-jews".)

So in other words, some of your best friends are Jews?

228 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:23:24pm

re: #217 Alouette

No one is claiming Tom Friedman is an anti-Semite, but he is a stupid tool of the Saudis.

There.
FTFY

229 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:23:45pm

The Future Now: Jetpacks to Go on Sale Late This Year

Flying cars and robot maids may still be far from reality, but one Jetsons-era vision of the future is very real: the jetpack.

After nearly 30 years in development, New Zealand's Martin Aircraft Company is finally gearing up to sell its jetpack: two rockets driven by a 2-liter, 200-horsepower engine that can theoretically take you as high as 8,000 feet.

The company is currently taking commercial orders, but Martin expects it will be selling the devices to individuals late this year.

With a range of 31 miles and a maximum speed of 63 miles per hour, you'll be able to jaunt to the store at will, or to the gas station for a fill-up. That's right, Martin's jetpack uses ordinary gasoline, not jet or rocket fuel.

230 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:26:11pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

Many are saying that Kansas is in the Toughest brackets they have ever seen in all history...Bob Ryan claims 11 teams could beat them...Kansas is f*cked..
I love Wall and Cousins for the wildcats..
Cousin is a monster...

Basketball Ninjas

231 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:26:14pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

Why does Obama bow down to and kiss the ass of every America-hater in the region, but rags on America's only real ally just because they have a diplomatic misunderstanding. And by the way, trying to blame Israel for American casualties is not only scapegoating of the worst kind, it is also delusional.

I think it's called 'tough love.' He's not "kissing America-hater ass." He's just not a simpleton like the last president and sees that there are gray areas. The US is Israel's ally. That's a known fact. The US supports Israel with military aid. That's a known fact. When Israel does something to piss off the Arab world, the US shares the blame--rightfully or not--in the eyes of the Arab world. General Petraeus and Admiral Mullen weren't attacking Israel. They were just stating observations they've made from their first hand experience in the middle-east.

It's just as offensive to say we're kissing the asses of our haters as it is to say we're Israel's bitch. Neither is, or should be, true.

232 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:26:32pm

re: #226 zora

how is israel america's only real ally?

I said in the region. IMO.

233 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:26:32pm
234 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:27:19pm

re: #231 darthstar

Give that Obama's stance on Israel is nearly identical to that of Bush, you can't really say that Bush was a simpleton on the issue.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:28:42pm

Egyptian Embassy Denies Mubarak Death Rumor

Egyptian blogs and websites like Twitter have been buzzing with rumors that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has died while undergoing a gall bladder operation in Germany on March 6th.

The rumors are so strong that the Egyptian stock market dropped by over 6 percent in the past two days amid concerns about the president's health, especially since the question of succession in Egypt is still unclear.

"If Mubarak was able to say just say 'hi,' the television would have shown him saying 'hi,' but he is in a total coma,"said one post on Twitter.

A spokesman at the Egyptian embassy in Washington vehemently denied the rumor today to CBS News, saying that he should be released from the hospital in Germany in a number of days.

Mubarak's German medical team at Heidelberg University Hospital also issued statements through the Egyptian government saying Mubarak was recovering normally.

But the fact that the 81-year-old Mubarak has not appeared publicly since the surgery is fueling the rumors. Mubarak has been ruled Egypt since 1981 and is the country's longest-serving president. Mubarak has temporarily delegated powers to Prime Minister Ahmed Nazif, next in line with the constitution.

236 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:28:42pm

re: #234 Obdicut

Give that Obama's stance on Israel is nearly identical to that of Bush, you can't really say that Bush was a simpleton on the issue.

Good point. But that's lost on the knee-jerk crowd.

237 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:29:35pm

re: #229 NJDhockeyfan

The Future Now: Jetpacks to Go on Sale Late This Year

You getting one?
Please DO post the video on YouTube?
TIA!
(Wear a helmet, please?)

238 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:30:53pm

re: #237 Floral Giraffe

You getting one?
Please DO post the video on YouTube?
TIA!
(Wear a helmet, please?)

"Hey, watch this!"

239 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:31:31pm

re: #237 Floral Giraffe

You getting one?
Please DO post the video on YouTube?
TIA!
(Wear a helmet, please?)

Strap that Jet pack on me..Grab me a beer and let's see what happens..
Hey Everybody! Watch this!

240 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:31:35pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

"Hey, watch this!"

"Here, hold my beer!"

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:31:40pm

Racial Slur Development Not Keeping Pace With Mixed-Race Births, Nation's Bigots Report

"The world is changing, and we, the hateful and ignorant of America, need to change with it," ARBC chairman Tom Branson said at a rally Monday. "The time has come for our ugly, intolerant rhetoric to step into the 21st century. Our disgusting, dehumanizing slurs simply must reflect the terrifying new global society we now live in."

Added Branson, "In order to continue going backward, we first have to move forward."

According to statistics provided by the coalition, a rise in the birthrate of mixed-race Americans has left millions of confused racists with absolutely nothing prejudiced to say when confronted by a person of indeterminate or complex background. What frightens the coalition most is data suggesting that by 2015, ignorant bigots everywhere could be powerless when it comes to reducing mixed-raced individuals to profoundly uninformed cultural stereotypes.

242 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:31:51pm

re: #236 darthstar

Well, it was also apparently lost on you for the span of one post, at least.

Ooh, you upding creative insults. Just a sec.

...

You slavering commie lambchop slathered in the mint sauce of communism!

243 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:32:15pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Strap that Jet pack on me..Grab me a beer and let's see what happens..
Hey Everybody! Watch this!

Film at 11.
;)

244 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:33:06pm

re: #242 Obdicut

Well, it was also apparently lost on you for the span of one post, at least.

Ooh, you upding creative insults. Just a sec.

...

You slavering commie lambchop slathered in the mint sauce of communism!

That's not creative. Accurate, but not creative. :) Updinged all the same.

245 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:33:30pm

re: #236 darthstar

Good point. But that's lost on the knee-jerk crowd.

Your "translation" was kinda lost on me.

246 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:33:39pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

It's getting harder and harder to really hate effectively

247 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:34:40pm

re: #240 Floral Giraffe

"Here, hold my beer!"

He said, as he lit his marlboro with two tanks of high ethanol gasoline strapped to his back. Hey, what could go wrong?

248 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:35:08pm

Pucker up ladies!

A NEW lipstick has gone on sale that shows when women are in the mood for sex.

The saucy slap changes from clear to deep crimson as the wearer feels frisky.

It works by reacting with a girl's body chemistry.

And each £12 tube comes with a colour chart so men can work out how randy their partner is feeling.

The Mood Swing Emotionally Activated Lip Gloss was invented in California.

A spokesman for makers Too Faced said: "The colours change depending on your emotional state."

249 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:35:15pm

re: #231 darthstar

I think it's called 'tough love.' He's not "kissing America-hater ass." He's just not a simpleton like the last president and sees that there are gray areas. The US is Israel's ally. That's a known fact. The US supports Israel with military aid. That's a known fact. When Israel does something to piss off the Arab world, the US shares the blame--rightfully or not--in the eyes of the Arab world. General Petraeus and Admiral Mullen weren't attacking Israel. They were just stating observations they've made from their first hand experience in the middle-east.

It's just as offensive to say we're kissing the asses of our haters as it is to say we're Israel's bitch. Neither is, or should be, true.

Those who think Obama is entitled to dictate and micromanage Israeli policy without a peep must believe that Israel is America's little bitch.

Now I have to run, and just as well because this is a very sore topic for me.

250 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:35:26pm

re: #242 Obdicut

Well, it was also apparently lost on you for the span of one post, at least.

Ooh, you upding creative insults. Just a sec.

...

You slavering commie lambchop slathered in the mint sauce of communism!

And yes, I did generalize in calling Bush a simpleton. Try as I might, I still can't bring myself to like anything about him. Though he did make a few genuinely funny comments in his last few months in office that I found quite witty (and intentionally so). But my blind dislike for him did cause me to forget that his and Obama's policy toward Israel is very similar.

251 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:36:19pm

re: #249 Spare O'Lake

Those who think Obama is entitled to dictate and micromanage Israeli policy without a peep must believe that Israel is America's little bitch.

Now I have to run, and just as well because this is a very sore topic for me.

Take care. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be.

252 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:37:31pm

re: #250 darthstar

Personality responsibility will always prompt me to give you an upding.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:37:45pm

re: #247 The Shadow Do

He said, as he lit his marlboro with two tanks of high ethanol gasoline strapped to his back. Hey, what could go wrong?

What's the over/under in months before we read about a Darwin Award nominee involved with a jetpack?

254 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:37:45pm

Whoa - msn.com changed up the format of its front page. I hate it.

255 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:39:51pm

I use to like Gorillaz, but now they seem like caricatures of their former selves./

256 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:39:52pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Strap that Jet pack on me..Grab me a beer and let's see what happens..
Hey Everybody! Watch this!

Reminds me of our recent local boy effort along these lines.

257 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:39:56pm

re: #254 cliffster

Whoa - msn.com changed up the format of its front page. I hate it.

It would be better if they put a google search bar in it. :)

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:40:14pm

re: #246 cliffster

It's getting harder and harder to really hate effectively

re: #254 cliffster

Whoa - msn.com changed up the format of its front page. I hate it.

Hypocrite!
/

259 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:40:57pm

Man treated at hospital after having sex with animals in Kuwait

Kuwait City: An Asian watchman is being treated at a local hospital after he had sexual intercourse with animals on the farm he was guarding.

“I was shocked during my last visit to the farm to see the watchman screaming in pain and I took him to the hospital in Farwaniya. There, doctors diagnosed him with a problem with his organ,” the farm owner was quoted as saying by Kuwaiti daily Al Rai on Saturday.

The unnamed watchman reportedly explained to his employer that he had been doing “sexual things” to the animals and that he may have contracted a dangerous disease. The farm owner said that the expatriate worker cried continiously and saying that he was “extremely tired.”

Readers’ comments on the internet ranged from sympathy for the lonely man to outrage for cruelty to animals. Many asked questions whether the animals were now fit for human consumption.

In 2006, a Sudanese man was forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.

The village council of elders ordered the man to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to the goat's owner who had surprised him with his goat.

The elders said the man should not be taken to the police, but rather pay a dowry for the goat because he used it as his wife.

260 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:41:21pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

Hypocrite!
/

HAHAHA!

261 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:41:34pm

re: #253 NJDhockeyfan

What's the over/under in months before we read about a Darwin Award nominee involved with a jetpack?

I bet 10 days max!
("Here, hold my beer" will be involved!)

262 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:43:51pm

re: #250 darthstar

And yes, I did generalize in calling Bush a simpleton. Try as I might, I still can't bring myself to like anything about him. Though he did make a few genuinely funny comments in his last few months in office that I found quite witty (and intentionally so). But my blind dislike for him did cause me to forget that his and Obama's policy toward Israel is very similar.

If it's funny comments you're after, you should've heard his speech at the dedication of the Clinton Presidential library. He praised Clinton's optimistic spirit, which was a trait Americans like. "You have to be an optimist, to spend six months in Texas working on the McGovern campaign." Judging by the audio, there wasn't a dry seat in the house.

263 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:44:48pm

re: #260 cliffster

Now that I think on it, I should have said "See, all it takes is a little work from Microsoft, and we can get back to effectively hating again".

Or something like that.

264 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:45:13pm

re: #253 NJDhockeyfan

What's the over/under in months before we read about a Darwin Award nominee involved with a jetpack?

Well, some idiot will think that testing it out next to an airport runway is the most logical place, and they'll likely shut down the entire airport while they're floating around in the flight path...or they'll get caught in the jet-wash of a departing plane and there won't be any evidence they ever existed.

265 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:45:30pm

re: #222 blueraven

Well what about General Petraeus?

[Link: mideast.foreignpolicy.com...]

What about him? Is he really saying that U.S. troops are in danger for no other reason than Israel is building houses for Jews in Jerusalem? Because that's utter bullshit.

266 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:45:47pm

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, some men go for women,
And some men go for boys
but my love's warm and beautiful
And makes a baa-ing noise.

-- from Straw Dogs

267 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:46:00pm

re: #264 darthstar

Whoosh.
Whomp.
Whoosh!

268 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:46:32pm

re: #254 cliffster

Whoa - msn.com changed up the format of its front page. I hate it.

Jerusalem Post changed their format. I hate it.

269 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:46:46pm

re: #247 The Shadow Do

He said, as he lit his marlboro with two tanks of high ethanol gasoline strapped to his back. Hey, what could go wrong?

(AP) Richmond, Ca. Jim Cildron Jr. A 23 year old local man died in a tragic 7-11 Jet pack accident today. Witnesses said the young mans pack went off while he was at the Slurpee machine today at the 7-11 store on Grant Street at 11:30am..Police spokesman could nether confirm if death was instantaneous as the victim exited out the roof at 400 MPH and landed onto a nearby Strip mall..
The Family has requested privacy and indicated he would be buried in his Jet-Pack per his wishes..

270 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:48:31pm

re: #268 Alouette

Jerusalem Post changed their format. I hate it.

Hard to follow.

271 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:48:36pm

re: #269 HoosierHoops

OK, I admit it.
I have wanted a jet-pack, ever since seeing the "Jetsons".
Yes, you know YOU did too!

272 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:48:37pm

re: #265 Alouette

What about him? Is he really saying that U.S. troops are in danger for no other reason than Israel is building houses for Jews in Jerusalem? Because that's utter bullshit.

I think what he's saying is that anti-Israeli sentiment and anti-US sentiment are closely related in the Arab world, and that, with US troops on the ground in so many Islamic countries at present, it doesn't exactly benefit our troops for there to be more tension between the Israelis and the Palestinians. It's not 'no other reason'...just one other reason. A piece of the puzzle if you will. Not the entire puzzle.

273 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:49:57pm

re: #271 Floral Giraffe

OK, I admit it.
I have wanted a jet-pack, ever since seeing the "Jetsons".
Yes, you know YOU did too!


I did!
and I want my flying car too...

274 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:50:03pm
The law, which takes effect in July, is meant as a shot at the federal government. But it’s unclear whether the law will remain a symbolic declaration of states’ and Second Amendment rights, or spark a confrontation between state and federal officials.

Under the law, any firearms made from scratch in Wyoming — besides automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers — are officially exempt from all federal gun laws so long as the gun isn’t taken out of the state.

...

Wyoming is the third state to pass a Firearms Freedom Act, after Montana and Tennessee. The laws are all based on the argument that since the federal government justifies its ability to regulate firearms on a section of the U.S. Constitution allowing Congress to regulate interstate commerce, any guns that never leave a state are exempt from federal control.

But Wyoming’s Firearms Freedom Act is harsher than the other states’ laws, as it says that any state or federal official who tries to enforce any federal gun law on firearms made and sold in Wyoming could face a $2,000 fine and up to a year in prison.

That can conjure up images of a Wyoming sheriff moving to arrest a U.S. marshal — or any prosecuting attorney, or a judge — who tries to enforce a federal gun law on a Wyoming-made firearm.
But will such a scene actually take place?

“That’s a question we’ve sort of asked ourselves,” said John Powell, a spokesman with the U.S. attorney’s office in Cheyenne. “We’re not exactly sure how this is going to play out.”

Actually, I like it. I know I'm a liberal, but this liberal likes his guns. Also keep in mind that to buy that gun Wyoming still demands the purchaser pass an FBI NICS query. The bypassing of the federal waiting period might be bothersome, but it's Wyoming for fucks sake, that place is already armed to the teeth.

275 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:51:29pm

re: #271 Floral Giraffe

OK, I admit it.
I have wanted a jet-pack, ever since seeing the "Jetsons".
Yes, you know YOU did too!

I want one of these...then I'd bike to work.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:51:44pm

re: #272 darthstar

I think what he's saying is that anti-Israeli sentiment and anti-US sentiment are closely related in the Arab world, and that, with US troops on the ground in so many Islamic countries at present, it doesn't exactly benefit our troops for there to be more tension between the Israelis and the Palestinians. It's not 'no other reason'...just one other reason. A piece of the puzzle if you will. Not the entire puzzle.

So the terrorists will want to kill our troop more badly? Makes no sense.

277 Macha  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:51:52pm

re: #154 RogueOne

A little thin skinned when someone makes fun of someone on the liberal side of the aisle?

Doesn't have anything to do with what side of the aisle it comes from. I haven't been here too long, but so far I haven't heard any crappy comments about a guy's sexual packaging being disgusting. I've seen plenty of old farts in the raw that would turn women against sex. I must say that Nan left herself wide open for the artillery when she made that comment. But really guys.....

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:52:14pm

re: #68 Walter L. Newton

I'm not debating whether the census forms are intrusive or not, I don't care, but there are two different forms. One is probably the one you received, there is another form that has many more questions. I'm not even sure how they decide who gets what.

I already got the standard form, filled it out and sent it back in.

I think it's like, every tenth or twentieth household on the list gets the long form.

279 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:53:49pm

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

So the terrorists will want to kill our troop more badly? Makes no sense.

Think of it as a form of transference. Feelings toward Israel redirected at our troops. It's not rocket science...just simple psychology.

280 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:54:05pm

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

Man treated at hospital after having sex with animals in Kuwait

In 2006, a Sudanese man was forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.

The village council of elders ordered the man to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to the goat's owner who had surprised him with his goat.

The elders said the man should not be taken to the police, but rather pay a dowry for the goat because he used it as his wife.

Poor goat.

I give that marriage two weeks. Those shotgun weddings never work out. Oh, 2006? It's over. I hope the goat got a nice settlement.

281 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:54:11pm

re: #275 darthstar

I want one of these...then I'd bike to work.


[Video]

He should try to jump the Snake River Canyon with that bike.

282 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:54:42pm

re: #281 NJDhockeyfan

He should try to jump the Snake River Canyon with that bike.

It's been done.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:55:05pm

re: #103 freetoken

Doesn't mention breasts either.

I propose a Boob Amendment. I don't know what it would say, I just approve of the idea.

284 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:55:12pm

re: #282 darthstar

It's been done.

285 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:55:13pm

re: #282 darthstar

It's been done.

Rats.

286 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:55:19pm

re: #277 Macha

Doesn't have anything to do with what side of the aisle it comes from. I haven't been here too long, but so far I haven't heard any crappy comments about a guy's sexual packaging being disgusting. I've seen plenty of old farts in the raw that would turn women against sex. I must say that Nan left herself wide open for the artillery when she made that comment. But really guys...

I was giving Obdi a hard time which I withdrew since he's the only one to have remained consistent.

The only thing we've learned here is if you give a CA pol a rough time the cali-crowd in here burns your avatar in effigy. The only one we're missing is SFZionist and I'm sure she'll be along to beat him with a stick sometime later.

287 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:55:53pm

re: #265 Alouette

What about him? Is he really saying that U.S. troops are in danger for no other reason than Israel is building houses for Jews in Jerusalem? Because that's utter bullshit.

I don't think that is the take away here.

288 webevintage  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:56:45pm

hahahahaha
purplegate!
A new faux!outrage:
[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Was Gibbs bracelet a sign of solidarity with SEIU?
Of course not, it was in honor of a little girl with cancer.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

289 Girth  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:56:45pm

re: #280 Silvergirl

Poor goat.

I give that marriage two weeks. Those shotgun weddings never work out. Oh, 2006? It's over. I hope the goat got a nice settlement.

See, this is what happens after Sudan legalized gay marriage back in 2004.

Oh, wait...

290 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:57:17pm

re: #271 Floral Giraffe

OK, I admit it.
I have wanted a jet-pack, ever since seeing the "Jetsons".
Yes, you know YOU did too!

My newest dream is to be a 10 foot tall Blue Avatar with a tail making 20 million a year playing in the NBA...
I'd have yellow dyed hair...
I always say James C. If you want to clear out a colony of 10 foot aliens send NBA scouts...

291 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:57:18pm

re: #284 darthstar

[Video]

I saw that live when I was a kid. Me and all my friends wanted to be Evil Knievel. I made a ramp and used to jump over the younger kids with my bike. I jumped 4 kids one day.

292 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:58:02pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

I propose a Boob Amendment. I don't know what it would say...

1st: Freedom to worship breasts.
2nd: Right to bare breasts, and hold them.
.
.
.
5th: Warranted search of breasts.

293 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:58:15pm

re: #277 Macha

Doesn't have anything to do with what side of the aisle it comes from. I haven't been here too long, but so far I haven't heard any crappy comments about a guy's sexual packaging being disgusting. I've seen plenty of old farts in the raw that would turn women against sex. I must say that Nan left herself wide open for the artillery when she made that comment. But really guys...

"Nan" never said any such thing. The whole article was made up.

294 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:58:34pm

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that live when I was a kid. Me and all my friends wanted to be Evil Knievel. I made a ramp and used to jump over the younger kids with my bike. I jumped 4 kids one day.

And the fifth kid?....

/

295 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:58:35pm

re: #286 RogueOne

*whack*

296 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:58:41pm

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that live when I was a kid. Me and all my friends wanted to be Evil Knievel. I made a ramp and used to jump over the younger kids with my bike. I jumped 4 kids one day.

I did the same, only I used my sister's bike until I broke the frame jumping Hot Wheels (14 of them!)

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:59:44pm

re: #156 NJDhockeyfan

I missed the blow up doll post. What was that all about?

There's a running gag that Cato has a Sarah Palin blow-up doll. Which I always took as mockery of Cato, rather than of Mrs. Palin.

298 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:59:51pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

I never got the "blue hair" picture.
*sniff sniff*

299 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:00:55pm

re: #298 Floral Giraffe

I never got the "blue hair" picture.
*sniff sniff*

Me either. :(

*waves* Hi FG! hope you're well!

300 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:01:28pm

re: #298 Floral Giraffe

I never got the "blue hair" picture.
*sniff sniff*

Crap..I'll send it to Reine...I'm still in Mourning

301 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:01:40pm

re: #298 Floral Giraffe

I never got the "blue hair" picture.
*sniff sniff*

Nor did I.

302 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:03:14pm

re: #292 freetoken

1st: Freedom to worship breasts.
2nd: Right to bare breasts, and hold them.
.
.
.
5th: Warranted search of breasts.

/what about voting for them?

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:03:52pm

re: #227 Spare O'Lake

So in other words, some of your best friends are Jews?

Some of my best friends' friends are Jews.

304 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:03:52pm

re: #302 brookly red

/what about voting for them?

Voting for boobs? We do it all the time...

305 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:04:04pm

re: #300 HoosierHoops

Crap..I'll send it to Reine...I'm still in Mourning

The mourning will take a long time. You may never fully get over it. I'm still hurting from that ridiculous Colt McCoy injury in the national championship game. But for a freak injury...

306 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:02pm

re: #304 The Sanity Inspector

One made it all the to the V.P.'s office!
...Is that what your talking about??

307 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:09pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a running gag that Cato has a Sarah Palin blow-up doll. Which I always took as mockery of Cato, rather than of Mrs. Palin.

And I'm the one that brought up that subject, since Cato spent two nights at my house and I saw the doll myself.

308 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:26pm

re: #304 The Sanity Inspector

Voting for boobs? We do it all the time...

I need to rethink my stance on term limits...

309 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:35pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

And I'm the one that brought up that subject, since Cato spent two nights at my house and I saw the doll myself.

Are you sure that was a blowup doll and not Sarah herself?

310 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:43pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

And I'm the one that brought up that subject, since Cato spent two nights at my house and I saw the doll myself.

pics, plz

311 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:53pm

re: #299 iceweasel

We're all getting jetpacks!
I'm back from vacation.
MOUNTAINS of laundry.
It was fun!
*waves*
Hope all is well with you?
Visa update?

312 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:06:57pm

I have a question I hope will be taken in the right spirit. Put down your dukes because I truly want to know and have as a goal to have a better understanding, and hope to come to that without putdowns.

Upthread is the weird Nancy Pelosi post with link--the one featuring her distorted image--where she was maligned and ridiculed in a sexist way. It has received many downdings. I agree that they are richly deserved. I didn't ding it because it's about useless to downding the plethora of other sexist posts if they are targeting someone whose politics and person are disliked. Therefore I ignore all. Since I have noticed many of the disapproving posters giving encouragement to other sexist references, I'm wondering how you decided to disapprove of this one. How much of the disapproval went to standing up for "your side"? I would like to see how any of you look at this. Would you mind taking a minute to say?

313 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:07:36pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

Racial Slur Development Not Keeping Pace With Mixed-Race Births, Nation's Bigots Report

Heh. Reminds me of one of my fave prop 8 signs: Homosexuality is not a Race!

Of course it isn't. Neither is heterosexuality. We should all slow down and take our time about it.

Yeah, you all know what I'm talking about.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:08:00pm

re: #279 darthstar

Think of it as a form of transference. Feelings toward Israel redirected at our troops. It's not rocket science...just simple psychology.

I agree it's a problem, I just deny that it can be changed by anything Israel actually does, short of ceasing to exist. There's an enormous machine of propaganda behind all of this, which does not need an actual building project for fuel, and is impervious to positive information.

315 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:08:12pm

re: #288 webevintage

hahahahaha
purplegate!
A new faux!outrage:
[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Was Gibbs bracelet a sign of solidarity with SEIU?
Of course not, it was in honor of a little girl with cancer.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

There are too many awareness bracelet colors to keep up so I had to do google search to find out wtf purple stood for:

[Link: www.shanrene.com...]


This is a general awareness bracelet. Purple can stand for the following causes: Alzheimer's, Cystic Fibrosis, Domestic Violence, Lupus, Pancreatic Cancer, and more. For every awareness bracelet sold, Shanrene, Inc. donates $.25. It is split between all charities we donate to.

Capitalism at its finest.

316 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:08:43pm

re: #286 RogueOne

I was giving Obdi a hard time which I withdrew since he's the only one to have remained consistent.

The only thing we've learned here is if you give a CA pol a rough time the cali-crowd in here burns your avatar in effigy. The only one we're missing is SFZionist and I'm sure she'll be along to beat him with a stick sometime later.

I'm not from california. I just don't like stupid bullshit comments.

317 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:09:25pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

Boy, am I glad I didn't ding that post. I hate homework.

318 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:09:27pm

re: #305 cliffster

The mourning will take a long time. You may never fully get over it. I'm still hurting from that ridiculous Colt McCoy injury in the national championship game. But for a freak injury...

Leaving Indiana in 6 months...But got 2 Super Bowls with the Colts here..
Couldn't ask for more really...
Indiana is called the Amateur sports capital of the world..
It truly is

319 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:09:56pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

I have a question I hope will be taken in the right spirit. Put down your dukes because I truly want to know and have as a goal to have a better understanding, and hope to come to that without putdowns.

Upthread is the weird Nancy Pelosi post with link--the one featuring her distorted image--where she was maligned and ridiculed in a sexist way. It has received many downdings. I agree that they are richly deserved. I didn't ding it because it's about useless to downding the plethora of other sexist posts if they are targeting someone whose politics and person are disliked. Therefore I ignore all. Since I have noticed many of the disapproving posters giving encouragement to other sexist references, I'm wondering how you decided to disapprove of this one. How much of the disapproval went to standing up for "your side"? I would like to see how any of you look at this. Would you mind taking a minute to say?

the entire dingup and dingdown thing is so misused, it has no real function anymore

320 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:09:59pm

You heard of Jerusalem's Hurva synagogue being re-opened after 62 years? Here's a scene from O Jerusalem, during the war of independence, when it was blown up.

*************

Russnak decided to get his best surviving fighter, Yitzhak the Bren Gunner, to lead the attack. He sent a dark-haired girl lieutenant with his order. "I can't," said Yitzhak, who had fought in almost all the quarter's battles. "All this means nothing now. In the end we'll surrender."

"Yitzhak, it must be done," pleaded the girl. "The Arabs are only fifteen yards away. If you don't, they'll sweep everything away in an hour. There are women and children."

Furious, resigned, the young Kurdish Jew got to his feet, called five men and left. Two minutes later he was dead. The quarter's last offensive was over.

A few minutes later, a gigantic explosion shook Jerusalem. A thick cloud of red-gray dust billowed up from the heart of the Old City, darkening the horizon before the Jewish Quarter and sprinkling its alleys with a brick dust. As the smoke finally cleared, a thousand anguished Jewish voices began to chant in the basements of the three remaining synagogues Judaism's holiest prayer, the Shema Yisrael. It had been Fawzi el Kutub and not Abdullah Tell who had come to tea at the Hurva Synagogue. Using the last explosives left in his Turkish bath, Kutub had wreaked his final revenge on the neighbors against whom he had waged his lifetime's crusade. The skyline of Jerusalem had lost one of its great monuments. He had reduced what was left of the city's most precious synagogue to ruins.

Their shoes brushed, their uniforms straightened, the thirty-odd Ha-ganah men who had survived unscathed lined up in three ranks on one side of the courtyard designated by Tell for the surrender ceremony.

Opposite them, the residents had begun to assemble children, sacks of clothes, scraps of furniture with which to remember their homes.

Surveying the pitiful lines of his foes, Tell told Russnak, "If I had known you were so few we would have come after you with sticks, not guns." Then, seeing the worry on the faces of the residents, Tell realized they all feared they would be the victims of another massacre. He began to move down their ranks, quietly seeking with a gesture or a word to reassure them. In the hospital, one of his officers read in the eyes of the wounded "the terrified conviction that we would massacre them all." The United Press's Samir Souki, picking his way through that same roomful of misery, nauseated by the terrible stench of death, heard a voice calling his name. Looking down, he recognized a taxicab driver he knew, trembling with fear of a coming massacre. Souki stooped down and offered him a cigarette and the assurance that all would be well.

Their fears would indeed prove unfounded. Tell's only victims would be Arab, not Jewish - looters who had thrown themselves with too much haste on the booty.

321 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:10:08pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of my best friends' friends are Jews.

Because of my step-family ...
I'm turning Jewpanese
I think I'm turning Jewpanese
I really think so!

322 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:10:20pm

re: #318 HoosierHoops

Amateur capital of the world?
///

323 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:10:47pm

re: #316 WindUpBird

Then I take that part back. I thought you were one of the cali-folks.

324 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:10:49pm

re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth

I have no love for Nancy myself, but I had to laugh when someone told me recently that "The People" are sick of her, and "The People" are going to vote her out of office.

Asked to clarify what this person meant by "The People", and the response was "Everyone in America". I told this person that "Everyone in America" does not get to vote one way or the other for Nancy, only the people in her district, to which this person responded "Oh yeah, then how did she get to be speaker of the house"?

End of conversation.

It's just exhausting, isn't it? :D

325 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:10:53pm

I had problems with my land line after the storm & Verizon just called me on that number to ask me if my phone was working...

I was civil. :)

326 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:11:09pm

re: #319 albusteve

the entire dingup and dingdown thing is so misused, it has no real function anymore

An ironic downding

327 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:11:54pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

Yeah!

328 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:12:11pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree it's a problem, I just deny that it can be changed by anything Israel actually does, short of ceasing to exist. There's an enormous machine of propaganda behind all of this, which does not need an actual building project for fuel, and is impervious to positive information.

I think even a small gesture can have positive effects. And I think that's what the president is trying for. Small gestures, from both sides. See that the world doesn't implode, then go for a slightly bigger gesture, and so on. It's all about give and take, and without any give, there can be no take.

Forever the optimist, I am.

329 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:12:15pm

re: #326 RogueOne

An ironic downding

there you have it...do me again

330 blueraven  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:12:30pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

Speaking for myself; it was that the entire article was presented as factual. Then the distorted photo. It is just very low class. I wouldn't care if it was Sarah Palin or George Bush, I would have still dinged it.

331 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:13:16pm

Congratulations to Ernie Els on his win yesterday. He's a great golfer, but he's also a great man. Actually, I take that back, he's a giant of a man. The good he'll do the world with his winnings and his presence...

332 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:13:44pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

I have a question I hope will be taken in the right spirit. Put down your dukes because I truly want to know and have as a goal to have a better understanding, and hope to come to that without putdowns.

Upthread is the weird Nancy Pelosi post with link--the one featuring her distorted image--where she was maligned and ridiculed in a sexist way. It has received many downdings. I agree that they are richly deserved. I didn't ding it because it's about useless to downding the plethora of other sexist posts if they are targeting someone whose politics and person are disliked. Therefore I ignore all. Since I have noticed many of the disapproving posters giving encouragement to other sexist references, I'm wondering how you decided to disapprove of this one. How much of the disapproval went to standing up for "your side"? I would like to see how any of you look at this. Would you mind taking a minute to say?

I don't like any comments, or links to items, that deal with subjects like fat, ugly, distorted images, anything like that when it's dealing with physical image.

We hear over and over how wrong it is to stereotype people, yet fat or ugly is still a prime area to joke about.

I really don't care if people argue over these sorts of comments because of political persuasion or not... it shouldn't matter at all, I don't think it's fun to joke about someone's physicality...

Period.

333 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:14:03pm

That prius idiot could not have had any idea his own car was going to rat him out. Has the man not been paying attention at all for the last 5 years?

334 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:14:05pm

re: #328 darthstar

I think even a small gesture can have positive effects. And I think that's what the president is trying for. Small gestures, from both sides. See that the world doesn't implode, then go for a slightly bigger gesture, and so on. It's all about give and take, and without any give, there can be no take.

Forever the optimist, I am.

Name one "small gesture" the Palestinians have made. Name any gesture.

335 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:14:06pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of my best friends' friends are Jews.

Some of my best friends are humans. Yes, it is exhausting.

336 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:14:06pm

re: #286 RogueOne

I mainly just object to people railing on Pelosi for the wrong reasons. I don't like her and I hope someone else gets elected in her stead, but most of the criticisms about her are either untrue, or just equate to "She's the Speaker of the House".

337 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:14:14pm

re: #222 blueraven

Well what about General Petraeus?

[Link: mideast.foreignpolicy.com...]

I wanted to comment on this. I started reading the article and I can't get past this statement:

The team had been dispatched by CENTCOM commander ... Petraeus to underline his growing worries at the lack of progress in resolving the issue. ... The briefers reported that there was a growing perception among Arab leaders that the U.S. was incapable of standing up to Israel, that CENTCOM's mostly Arab constituency was losing faith in American promises, that Israeli intransigence on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was jeopardizing U.S. standing in the region, and that Mitchell himself was (as a senior Pentagon officer later bluntly described it) "too old, too slow ... and too late."

The Arabs won't listen to Mitchell? Em... who did they listen to again? No one, that's who.

The U.S. is incapable of standing up to Israel? Did I read that right? We're incapable of standing up to the Arabs, not to Israel!! That's been a policy of every president since the conflict. What I thought was a simple dustup, or at least should have been, was made worse by the U.S. We could have handled it a lot better. You don't escalate tensions, even if caught off guard. Especially if caught off guard.

When the U.S. can go to the Arab world and demand they abide by the first rule of the Road Map, which is for the Arabs to stop lobbing missiles into Israel, then we can talk about what Israel should or shouldn't do. But you can't demand from one and not the other.

338 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:14:54pm

re: #323 RogueOne

Then I take that part back. I thought you were one of the cali-folks.

I'm from Ory-gun! I couldn't do the bay area thing, driving there is scary and it's way too expensive. I like my cheap Portland lifestyle :D

I guess if people were raging against the Pelosi for any tangible reason besides "she's the Dem house majority leader and the tribe sez hate her guts" then sure, game on. But she wins landslide elections, she's good at getting votes in the house. But there's just all these comments about how ugly Pelosi is and how nobody could stand to see her naked, and how she stinks and hurr de hurr de hurr. It's just so dull.

I never understand why Republicans think Democrats elected by massive majorities in Dem-controlled districts should do what Republicans say :D

339 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:15:00pm

re: #328 darthstar

I think even a small gesture can have positive effects. And I think that's what the president is trying for. Small gestures, from both sides. See that the world doesn't implode, then go for a slightly bigger gesture, and so on. It's all about give and take, and without any give, there can be no take.

Forever the optimist, I am.

Optimism is great, I recommend it, but in this case it just makes it look like you haven't been paying attention.

340 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:15:25pm

re: #328 darthstar

I think even a small gesture can have positive effects. And I think that's what the president is trying for. Small gestures, from both sides. See that the world doesn't implode, then go for a slightly bigger gesture, and so on. It's all about give and take, and without any give, there can be no take.

Forever the optimist, I am.

There have been many small gestures.
Made by Israel.
Always by Israel.
When do you suppose they'll start working toward the positive effects you think will come about?

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:15:33pm

re: #326 RogueOne

An ironic downding

Ironic upding! Take that!

342 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:15:45pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

I don't like any comments, or links to items, that deal with subjects like fat, ugly, distorted images, anything like that when it's dealing with physical image.

We hear over and over how wrong it is to stereotype people, yet fat or ugly is still a prime area to joke about.

I really don't care if people argue over these sorts of comments because of political persuasion or not... it shouldn't matter at all, I don't think it's fun to joke about someone's physicality...

Period.

My buddies call me fatass all the time. They're right, I am fat. No matter. Sometimes it's just all in good fun.

343 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:16:02pm

re: #335 Jeff In Ohio

Some of my best friends are humans. Yes, it is exhausting.

/ Rover? is that you...

344 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:16:14pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Thanks for taking that on. I wasn't up to it.

345 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:16:19pm

re: #333 RogueOne

That prius idiot could not have had any idea his own car was going to rat him out. Has the man not been paying attention at all for the last 5 years?

He should have been driving a '64 Rambler...no onboard computers.

346 Macha  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:16:33pm

re: #286 RogueOne

I was giving Obdi a hard time which I withdrew since he's the only one to have remained consistent.

The only thing we've learned here is if you give a CA pol a rough time the cali-crowd in here burns your avatar in effigy. The only one we're missing is SFZionist and I'm sure she'll be along to beat him with a stick sometime later.

I need to lurk a bit longer. Not quite in tune with the inside stuff.

347 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:16:49pm

re: #340 reine.de.tout

There have been many small gestures.
Made by Israel.
Always by Israel.
When do you suppose they'll start working toward the positive effects you think will come about?

Every "small gesture" by Israel has had the effect of the Arabs moving the goal posts and demanding more gestures.

348 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:16:53pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

I don't like any comments, or links to items, that deal with subjects like fat, ugly, distorted images, anything like that when it's dealing with physical image.

We hear over and over how wrong it is to stereotype people, yet fat or ugly is still a prime area to joke about.

I really don't care if people argue over these sorts of comments because of political persuasion or not... it shouldn't matter at all, I don't think it's fun to joke about someone's physicality...

Period.

I agree. It's OK to poke fun at people over things that they control.
Physical appearance, for the most part, is not something that we control.

349 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:17:23pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

For myself, it's the reasons blueraven and Walter already gave, plus a general hatred for sexism. I don't care if the target is Pelosi or Palin. And I've written here many times about sexist attacks on Palin.

350 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:17:29pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

re: #340 reine.de.tout

I hear you both...but if I don't hope for peace, who will?

351 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:17:44pm

One of the few benefits when a friend dies is learning, sometimes, more about them than you did when they were alive.

My friend Charles Muscatine, who just passed away, was a very humble man. He said he'd served in WWII but done 'not much'. Today, I learned what Charles really did:

War Service: Lieutenant, U.S.N.R, Navigator U.S.S. L.S.T. 335, November 1942- April 1945; North African Operations, Sicily Landing, Salerno Landing, Normandies Landing; Navy Commendation ribbon from Commander in charge Atlantic Fleet for rescue work on D-day.

This is why I never believe any vet who starts bragging about what they did; all the real heroes I know never say anything about it.

Oh, and I also just found out that Kaiser misdiagnosed him and gave him drugs that contributed to the speed of his decline and death.

I don't like Kaiser.

352 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:18:15pm

re: #347 Alouette

Every "small gesture" by Israel has had the effect of the Arabs moving the goal posts and demanding more gestures.

That's exactly how it appears to me.

353 Macha  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:18:33pm

re: #293 blueraven

Pulling hair, OOOOOH shhooot. Snookered again. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last.

354 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:18:50pm

re: #345 darthstar

He should have been driving a '64 Rambler...no onboard computers.

Ack! remember the push button gear shift?

355 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:18:50pm

re: #350 darthstar

re: #340 reine.de.tout

I hear you both...but if I don't hope for peace, who will?

You can still hope for peace. You just can't hope for it to happen when one side is always making the gestures.

356 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:19:11pm

re: #350 darthstar

re: #340 reine.de.tout

I hear you both...but if I don't hope for peace, who will?

Hope, is something many of us share.
The reality of making it happen, is, sadly not.

357 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:19:50pm

re: #351 Obdicut

Congratulations on having a friend like that!

358 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:19:50pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Great post! Oh for more updings to give!!!!!

359 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:19:53pm

re: #336 Obdicut

I mainly just object to people railing on Pelosi for the wrong reasons. I don't like her and I hope someone else gets elected in her stead, but most of the criticisms about her are either untrue, or just equate to "She's the Speaker of the House".

I am effectively neutral on Pelosi. She does what her district wants, she gets everyone on the same page in the house, I don't see the problem with her. RAGE POWERFUL DEMOCRAT ARGH

I will say that Earl Blumenhauer is my house rep and I couldn't be happier. he's pretty much my hero. Hyper-wonk bicyclist who is way out in front on a bunch of issues I care about. Portlanders love smart wonks.

360 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:11pm

re: #345 darthstar

He should have been driving a '64 Rambler...no onboard computers.

This will be the 5th time I'll take the wife's car to the dealer...
IT NEVER DOES THE SHIT FOR THEM IT WILL DO FOR HER!!
2002, no diagnostic history computer!
...Ah..Just change every thing and we'll see if it strands her
again!...NOT

361 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:25pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

I don't like any comments, or links to items, that deal with subjects like fat, ugly, distorted images, anything like that when it's dealing with physical image.

We hear over and over how wrong it is to stereotype people, yet fat or ugly is still a prime area to joke about.

I really don't care if people argue over these sorts of comments because of political persuasion or not... it shouldn't matter at all, I don't think it's fun to joke about someone's physicality...

Period.

Walter,

Your Momma so ugly....
//

362 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #336 Obdicut

I mainly just object to people railing on Pelosi for the wrong reasons. I don't like her and I hope someone else gets elected in her stead, but most of the criticisms about her are either untrue, or just equate to "She's the Speaker of the House".

I don't like it when people aren't consistent. We see a lot of pretty rough palin pieces/jokes and everyone piles on. I don't care one way or the other but if I notice someone is getting bent out of shape over a bad parody piece when it's one of theirs, I'm gong to probably point that out.

See how much more fun it is being a libertarian/independent? We get to make fun of both sides of the aisle. You should join us..........

363 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:38pm

re: #346 Macha

I need to lurk a bit longer. Not quite in tune with the inside stuff.

Actually, it's much more fun if you just jump in.

Not necessarily fun for you....

:)

364 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:40pm

re: #344 wrenchwench

Thanks for taking that on. I wasn't up to it.

I've had this flu for 3 days last week so I was kinda out of the political loop. Imagine what you can miss in a day or two! When I finally went to read about it, it really upset me.

365 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:47pm

re: #350 darthstar

re: #340 reine.de.tout

I hear you both...but if I don't hope for peace, who will?

Good grief! We all hope for peace!
My question is that if Israel has made gestures, at what point will those gestures begin to bring it about? It sure doesn't seem to be happening after many many many years of Israel making the small gestures.

366 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:20:54pm

re: #349 iceweasel

For myself, it's the reasons blueraven and Walter already gave, plus a general hatred for sexism. I don't care if the target is Pelosi or Palin. And I've written here many times about sexist attacks on Palin.

yes you have, good for you...Palin is the perfect example of excess beyond decency

367 Semper Fi  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #320 The Sanity Inspector

Lurking for a brief period this afternoon while enjoying warm weather in Phoenix. Wanted to say, thank you for that.

Afternoon Lizards..

368 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:21:16pm

re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth

I have no love for Nancy myself, but I had to laugh when someone told me recently that "The People" are sick of her, and "The People" are going to vote her out of office.

Asked to clarify what this person meant by "The People", and the response was "Everyone in America". I told this person that "Everyone in America" does not get to vote one way or the other for Nancy, only the people in her district, to which this person responded "Oh yeah, then how did she get to be speaker of the house"?

End of conversation.

That's right up there with the people who claimed the 'oo election was stolen because Gore had won the popular vote;.

369 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:21:49pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

Weird ain't it? I personally find the stuff about Nancy tasteless because she gets few substantive attacks on the quality of her leadership and policy pronouncements that don't involve side or frontal attacks on her looks or age. Sarah, on the other hand, marries the two female sexist stereo types that people love best - attractive and vacuous, and folks who should know better apparently can't resist.

Me, I love the occasional jab about genitalia and uncomfortable barbs about fucking or blowjobs or other such musings, and sometimes I clearly go over the line. It really isn't about the gender of the sex and/or sex organs as much as it is about sex and sex organs. Yes, I readily admit to boyish adolescent leanings.

370 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:22:04pm

re: #355 wrenchwench

You can still hope for peace. You just can't hope for it to happen when one side is always making the gestures.

I still think we should bring in 2 or 3 divisions of North Korean peace keepers... it won't take long for both sides to agree on something.

371 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:22:06pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

My newest dream is to be a 10 foot tall Blue Avatar with a tail making 20 million a year playing in the NBA...
I'd have yellow dyed hair...
I always say James C. If you want to clear out a colony of 10 foot aliens send NBA scouts...

And mine was to play center for the Lakers...as a sasquatch

372 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:22:20pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

Good grief! We all hope for peace!
My question is that if Israel has made gestures, at what point will those gestures begin to bring it about? It sure doesn't seem to be happening after many many many years of Israel making the small gestures.

The problem is that the Palestinians version of peace is a "little" different from Israel.

373 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:22:25pm

re: #350 darthstar

re: #340 reine.de.tout

I hear you both...but if I don't hope for peace, who will?

You can hope for peace all you want, but Israel making all the concessions is not the way to achieve peace.

374 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:23:05pm

re: #368 The Sanity Inspector

That's right up there with the people who claimed the 'oo election was stolen because Gore had won the popular vote;.

SNAP!

375 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:24:13pm

re: #373 Alouette

You can hope for peace all you want, but Israel making all the concessions is not the way to achieve peace.

in fact it is a sure fire way not to have it...

376 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:24:55pm

re: #348 Floral Giraffe

I agree. It's OK to poke fun at people over things that they control.
Physical appearance, for the most part, is not something that we control.

Don't worry Floral..In a 100 years it will be every American's right to have plastic Surgery and to be beautiful...Paid for by our life Insurance with no pre-conditions...
*Brad Pitt!*
But sir you can't really..
*Brand Pitt*
I'm not sure that's in your policy
*Brad Pitt!*
Brad Pitt?
*Brad Pitt!*
Let me make a phone call

377 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:25:20pm

re: #347 Alouette

Every "small gesture" by Israel has had the effect of the Arabs moving the goal posts and demanding more gestures.

It's worse than anyone might think. Look at this exchange from today's State Department briefing:

MR. CROWLEY: Well, we – Israel is a strategic ally of the United States and will continue to be so. The Vice President, during his trip to Israel last week, restated that commitment. We have very specific concerns about not only the substance of an announcement, the timing of an announcement, but its broader implication in terms of jeopardizing further progress on the peace process.

We have made some specific requests of the Israeli Government in that regard, and we’re looking forward to their response. But – this is a specific area of concern. But it should not be taken as an indication that the – our commitment to Israel’s security, as the Vice President said last week, remains unshakable.

Michele.

QUESTION: But last week, you said it was actually jeopardizing the relationship, and I wonder if you’re backing off from that now.

MR. CROWLEY: Well, no. We – well, we will evaluate the implications of this once we hear back from the Israelis and see how they respond to our concerns.

Crowley is, in effect, saying that the US is prepared to no longer consider Israel a "strategic ally" if they don't bend to demands which Israel is not prepared to meet.
This is hardly the way an ally treats another ally.

378 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:25:28pm

re: #369 Jeff In Ohio

Weird ain't it? I personally find the stuff about Nancy tasteless because she gets few substantive attacks on the quality of her leadership and policy pronouncements that don't involve side or frontal attacks on her looks or age. Sarah, on the other hand, marries the two female sexist stereo types that people love best - attractive and vacuous, and folks who should know better apparently can't resist.

Me, I love the occasional jab about genitalia and uncomfortable barbs about fucking or blowjobs or other such musings, and sometimes I clearly go over the line. It really isn't about the gender of the sex and/or sex organs as much as it is about sex and sex organs. Yes, I readily admit to boyish adolescent leanings.

I'll agree with all that. I don't have any problem with those kinds of jokes and I'll make em myself-- it's fairly well known I think that I have a potty mouth. 'We are all of us in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.."

Sexism isn't something only found on the right of course. Any liberal site, even the ones I like with a cool commenting community-- post about Coulter, Malkin, Palin and within 20 comments or less there's some inappropriate and/or sexist comment. Jimmah and I have had to delete comments about Malkin on our youtube channel.

Anyway, sexism is endemic and I hate it wherever I find it.

379 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:25:41pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Don't worry Floral..In a 100 years it will be every American's right to have plastic Surgery and to be beautiful...Paid for by our life Insurance with no pre-conditions...
*Brad Pitt!*
But sir you can't really..
*Brand Pitt*
I'm not sure that's in your policy
*Brad Pitt!*
Brad Pitt?
*Brad Pitt!*
Let me make a phone call

100 years from now Brad Pitt will not be so good-looking.

380 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:26:00pm

re: #319 albusteve

the entire dingup and dingdown thing is so misused, it has no real function anymore

You may have something there, though I do like to be able to sometimes say goodnight or thanks or thumbs up to someone with just a click. Its potential for misuse is there too, and I'm guilty at times. I wish Charles would give us all a ding holiday on some happy occasion and we could go a day or a week with it all turned off. I wonder if how it would do as an experiment.

381 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:26:49pm

re: #346 Macha

I need to lurk a bit longer. Not quite in tune with the inside stuff.

It's all about the love man. Underneath all the vitriol there's nothing but love around here.

Except for the assholes and they know who they are.

382 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:26:52pm

re: #369 Jeff In Ohio

Weird ain't it? I personally find the stuff about Nancy tasteless because she gets few substantive attacks on the quality of her leadership and policy pronouncements that don't involve side or frontal attacks on her looks or age. Sarah, on the other hand, marries the two female sexist stereo types that people love best - attractive and vacuous, and folks who should know better apparently can't resist.

Me, I love the occasional jab about genitalia and uncomfortable barbs about fucking or blowjobs or other such musings, and sometimes I clearly go over the line. It really isn't about the gender of the sex and/or sex organs as much as it is about sex and sex organs. Yes, I readily admit to boyish adolescent leanings.

If you got a "buddy" who knows you, and he/she makes some humorous comment about you, about your physicality or about you sexually, that's fine, you know them, you can deal with it or tell them to shut the fuck up.

But it's not open season just because some politician is fat, or they are not "A" list Hollywood material or you just don't like them.

That's not boyish/girlish adolescent leanings, that's stupid and uncouth.

383 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:26:55pm

re: #373 Alouette

You can hope for peace all you want, but Israel making all the concessions is not the way to achieve peace.

maybe peace will come to the ME when there is a major, historical, paradigm shift....and it's possible Iran is engineering one...until then there will be no peace between Israel and her adversaries...not a chance, so all these stupid negotiations and road maps, and outside influence means nothing....just big paying jobs for people raking in the billions and perpetuating the conflict for their own gain

384 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:27:04pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Don't worry Floral..In a 100 years it will be every American's right to have plastic Surgery and to be beautiful...Paid for by our life Insurance with no pre-conditions...
*Brad Pitt!*
But sir you can't really..
*Brand Pitt*
I'm not sure that's in your policy
*Brad Pitt!*
Brad Pitt?
*Brad Pitt!*
Let me make a phone call

Not a good choice, Hoops, IMHO.
Vin Diesel.
yessssssssssssss!

385 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:27:17pm

re: #380 Silvergirl

You may have something there, though I do like to be able to sometimes say goodnight or thanks or thumbs up to someone with just a click. Its potential for misuse is there too, and I'm guilty at times. I wish Charles would give us all a ding holiday on some happy occasion and we could go a day or a week with it all turned off. I wonder if how it would do as an experiment.

I believe you can turn off your own.

386 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:27:41pm

re: #379 Alouette

100 years from now Brad Pitt will not be so good-looking.

in 100 years who will care?

387 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:27:50pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

Not a good choice, Hoops, IMHO.
Vin Diesel.
yesss!

Denzel Washington...

388 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #378 iceweasel

I'll agree with all that. I don't have any problem with those kinds of jokes and I'll make em myself-- it's fairly well known I think that I have a potty mouth. 'We are all of us in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.."

Sexism isn't something only found on the right of course. Any liberal site, even the ones I like with a cool commenting community-- post about Coulter, Malkin, Palin and within 20 comments or less there's some inappropriate and/or sexist comment. Jimmah and I have had to delete comments about Malkin on our youtube channel.

Anyway, sexism is endemic and I hate it wherever I find it.

Ice,

You are just a girl, what could you possibly know about sexism?
//

389 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:28:39pm

re: #367 Semper Fi

Lurking for a brief period this afternoon while enjoying warm weather in Phoenix. Wanted to say, thank you for that.

Afternoon Lizards..

Sanity Inspector is responsible for warm weather in Phoenix? Sanity, I'd like Fiji style weather, year round. Starting now.

390 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:29:03pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

OK, but I DO NOT want to look like Angelina.

391 Macha  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:29:34pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

I don't like any comments, or links to items, that deal with subjects like fat, ugly, distorted images, anything like that when it's dealing with physical image.

We hear over and over how wrong it is to stereotype people, yet fat or ugly is still a prime area to joke about.

I really don't care if people argue over these sorts of comments because of political persuasion or not... it shouldn't matter at all, I don't think it's fun to joke about someone's physicality...

Period.

Walter, I must agree with you completely here.

392 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:29:38pm

re: #288 webevintage

hahahahaha
purplegate!
A new faux!outrage:
[Link: biggovernment.com...]

Was Gibbs bracelet a sign of solidarity with SEIU?
Of course not, it was in honor of a little girl with cancer.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Idiots.

393 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:29:43pm

re: #385 wrenchwench

I believe you can turn off your own.

I can't believe anybody would even care

394 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:27pm

re: #378 iceweasel

Anyway, sexism is endemic and I hate it wherever I find it.

395 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:38pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

Denzel Washington...

Tiger Woods...

396 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:40pm

re: #385 wrenchwench

I believe you can turn off your own.

That's not an experiment. Well, it's an experiment, but not the one I mean. Everybody gets to play.

397 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:42pm

re: #390 Floral Giraffe

OK, but I DO NOT want to look like Angelina.

but we have a special this week...

398 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:49pm

re: #388 rwdflynavy

Ice,

You are just a girl, what could you possibly know about sexism?
//

Hee. I love that.
I've been saving this for when we get trolls who actually have said stuff like that to me.

399 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:53pm

re: #334 Alouette

Name one "small gesture" the Palestinians have made. Name any gesture.

I believe it involves a middle finger, self-detonation and the launching of missles.

400 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:30:54pm

re: #393 albusteve

I can't believe anybody would even care

Another down ding for you!!!11!

/

401 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:31:37pm

re: #378 iceweasel

Gosh... we don't agree on much, but when we do, it's stone cold unshakable.

402 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:32:13pm

re: #395 Alouette

Tiger Woods...

Harvey Kormen...

403 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:32:27pm

re: #398 iceweasel

Hee. I love that.
I've been saving this for when we get trolls who actually have said stuff like that to me.

That one's my favorite.

404 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:32:40pm

re: #398 iceweasel

Hee. I love that.
I've been saving this for when we get trolls who actually have said stuff like that to me.

I am crying from that picture. Pure Genius!

405 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:32:42pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

If you got a "buddy" who knows you, and he/she makes some humorous comment about you, about your physicality or about you sexually, that's fine, you know them, you can deal with it or tell them to shut the fuck up.

But it's not open season just because some politician is fat, or they are not "A" list Hollywood material or you just don't like them.

That's not boyish/girlish adolescent leanings, that's stupid and uncouth.

Who did I say was fat?

406 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:33:04pm

re: #402 The Shadow Do

Harvey Kormen...

That's "Hedley"!

407 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:33:06pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Don't worry Floral..In a 100 years it will be every American's right to have plastic Surgery and to be beautiful...Paid for by our life Insurance with no pre-conditions...
*Brad Pitt!*
But sir you can't really..
*Brand Pitt*
I'm not sure that's in your policy
*Brad Pitt!*
Brad Pitt?
*Brad Pitt!*
Let me make a phone call

That old Twilight Zone episode! Do you know what I mean?

408 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:33:12pm

re: #402 The Shadow Do

Harvey Kormen...

LOL.
Tim Conway.

409 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:33:14pm

re: #373 Alouette

You can hope for peace all you want, but Israel making all the concessions is not the way to achieve peace.

I wish the WH felt the same way.

Mitchell Mideast travel in flux amid U.S.-Israel row

(Reuters) - A U.S. envoy's plans to visit the Middle East were up in the air on Monday, the State Department said, as it waited for Israel to respond to U.S. demands it show that it is serious about peace talks with the Palestinians.

410 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:33:46pm

re: #395 Alouette

Tiger Woods...

Nah...He is ok.. But I'll bet a trillion dollars when Denzel or George Clooney or Brad Pitt walks into the room..Every head turns...Every voice is hushed..
/Tiger isn't walking into a room..He is a coward

411 Semper Fi  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:33:52pm

re: #389 Silvergirl

Sanity Inspector is responsible for warm weather in Phoenix? Sanity, I'd like Fiji style weather, year round. Starting now.

Don't know anything about Fiji but but the name has sometimes conjured up some daydreams.

412 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:34:07pm

And on another topic... just my friendly 24 hour reminder, tomorrow night, season six, episode seven of LOST... "RECON"

Has any of the LOST fans finally caught on to what is actually happening so far?

413 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:34:11pm

re: #402 The Shadow Do

Harvey Kormen...

Thufir Hawatt, or maybe The Collector, from Mad Max II, Beyond Thunderdome.

As it is, though, I imagine I'd end up looking like the Gyro Captain.

414 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:34:36pm

re: #408 reine.de.tout

re: #402 The Shadow Do

Harvey Kormen...

LOL.
Tim Conway.

Either of which proves it's more about the brain than the bod.

415 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:34:37pm

re: #373 Alouette

You can hope for peace all you want, but Israel making all the concessions is not the way to achieve peace.

When peace comes, I believe, it will simply mean an absence of war. Can you imagine if the Arabs in Gaza focused on a thriving tourist industry. They have the land for it. Doesn't UNRWA still give them funds? I know it sounds ridiculous, but it always makes me stop and think, they can have everything they want and need for a prosperous and educated population, so why not? Well we know why, but a lot of it, too, is being supported from Hizb, Syria and Iran so it's a particularly harder nut to crack.

Why isn't our relationship with the Saudis helping to ease tensions in the M.E.? I'd like Petreaus to stick that question in his pipe and smoke it.

416 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:34:58pm

re: #386 brookly red

in 100 years who will care?

Maybe plenty. We still remember this guy, for instance...

417 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:35:19pm

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

And on another topic... just my friendly 24 hour reminder, tomorrow night, season six, episode seven of LOST... "RECON"

Has any of the LOST fans finally caught on to what is actually happening so far?

They are still on that stupid island?

418 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:35:21pm

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

/They are still here... proof enough for me.

419 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:35:25pm

re: #408 reine.de.tout

Lily Tomlin.

420 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:36:04pm

re: #405 Jeff In Ohio

Who did I say was fat?

I was making a general comment about this subject. I didn't say you said anything in particular.

421 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:36:13pm

re: #419 Floral Giraffe

Lily Tomlin.

did a great solo show...

422 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:37:07pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

Either of which proves it's more about the brain than the bod.

Had a babysitter, a nice young lady from Taiwan, pay one of hose awkward parallel compliments that formal Chinese is known for.

(My wife and I are physically very different - it's a mystery, from looks, how I managed to rope her into matrimony.)

Anyway, looking at #1 Daughter, who was our only one at the time, she said:

"You are so fortunate; she has your brains and your wife's looks; it could have gone the other way."

423 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:37:29pm

Cya folks. Be excellent to each other....

424 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:38:50pm

re: #422 Guanxi88

Had a babysitter, a nice young lady from Taiwan, pay one of hose awkward parallel compliments that formal Chinese is known for.

(My wife and I are physically very different - it's a mystery, from looks, how I managed to rope her into matrimony.)

Anyway, looking at #1 Daughter, who was our only one at the time, she said:

"You are so fortunate; she has your brains and your wife's looks; it could have gone the other way."

reality always knocks twice...

425 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:39:51pm

re: #424 brookly red

reality always knocks twice...

Hey, I'm not disputing her initial assessment. #2 daughter has been blessed with my prominent proboscis, and the wife has already begun to put aside money against the inevitable "correction" that will be required.

426 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:39:54pm

Oh, noes! There's another video of children doing a music tribute to Obama making the rounds. EVERYBODY PANIC!

427 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:40:08pm

re: #421 brookly red

did a great solo show...

Always made me laugh.
Saw here show in NYC, several times.

428 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:40:22pm

re: #408 reine.de.tout

LOL.
Tim Conway.

Buddy Hackett...

(and what's wrong with Angelina Jolie by the way folks..)
*sizzle*

429 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:40:52pm

re: #333 RogueOne

I see the black box confirmed his braking efforts and shows and equal number of accelerator signals. He might not be making this up. Severe front brake wear etc...

430 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:40:57pm

re: #415 marjoriemoon

When peace comes, I believe, it will simply mean an absence of war. Can you imagine if the Arabs in Gaza focused on a thriving tourist industry. They have the land for it. Doesn't UNRWA still give them funds? I know it sounds ridiculous, but it always makes me stop and think, they can have everything they want and need for a prosperous and educated population, so why not? Well we know why, but a lot of it, too, is being supported from Hizb, Syria and Iran so it's a particularly harder nut to crack.

The scariest thing about the whole conflict is the answer to that question.

They have yet to begin the process of even desiring peace. They have not yet allowed themselves to acknowledge Israel is there and they must make the most of what they have. As long as they think Israel is removable, temporary, an aberration, there is no underlying motivation to do something CONSTRUCTIVE.

The continuous education of the Palestinians against peace. The "resistance" ideology. THAT is the biggest obstacle of peace. Israel will not wipe itself out. Palestinians will not "give up" and acknowledge they lost all the previous wars.

It's quite devastating to really think about and grasp.

431 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:41:20pm

re: #428 The Shadow Do

Angelina's brain is what's wrong with her.
Billy Bob Thornton.
Enough, said.

432 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:41:22pm

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

And on another topic... just my friendly 24 hour reminder, tomorrow night, season six, episode seven of LOST... "RECON"

Has any of the LOST fans finally caught on to what is actually happening so far?

I haven't tried to analyze it too much, I'm happy just to see how it plays out...I mostly read what other people think.

433 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:41:24pm

re: #425 Guanxi88

Hey, I'm not disputing her initial assessment. #2 daughter has been blessed with my prominent proboscis, and the wife has already begun to put aside money against the inevitable "correction" that will be required.

/so your not betting on single payer?

434 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:42:08pm

re: #427 Floral Giraffe

Always made me laugh.
Saw here show in NYC, several times.

the name is still haunting...

435 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:42:14pm

re: #433 brookly red

/so your not betting on single payer?

Nope, and I wonder what the guys in Vegas think about it. They're generally VERY reliable predictors of these things.

436 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:42:28pm

re: #425 Guanxi88

Hey, I'm not disputing her initial assessment. #2 daughter has been blessed with my prominent proboscis, and the wife has already begun to put aside money against the inevitable "correction" that will be required.

I'm dangerous to my fingertips mama I'm dangerous head to toe, I got dangerous ears, dangerous eyes lord knows I've got a dangerous nose
I've been wanted by the Board of Inquiry, I've been condemmed by the Board of Health hey
I don't keep no mirrors inside my house because I even scare myself

437 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:42:31pm

Later gators. Gonna find some grub.

438 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:42:57pm

re: #431 Floral Giraffe

Angelina's brain is what's wrong with her.
Billy Bob Thornton.
Enough, said.

heh. Well, she was really very young when she got together with him..19?
This is pretty much the extent of my Angelina Jolie knowledge, btw. iceweasel fails at pop culture.

439 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:43:12pm

re: #431 Floral Giraffe

Angelina's brain is what's wrong with her.
Billy Bob Thornton.
Enough, said.

I ain't lookin at her brain. What is wrong with me!

440 Semper Fi  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:43:42pm

Fun's over for me today. You lizards are so enjoyable. There has never been a time when I didn't learn something simply by logging on. Thanks..

441 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:43:49pm

re: #438 iceweasel

heh. btw. iceweasel fails at pop culture.

That's like being bad at getting parking tickets or catching the flu.

442 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:43:52pm

re: #434 brookly red

My favorite sketch was
Soup, art?
Art, soup?
While showing a campbell's soup can.

443 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:44:00pm

Some wingnut sez....

Obamaganda: Another School Sings Praises to Dear Leader

It's a veritable cornucopia of Obamagandistic musical agitprop. You'll recall the militaristic, fascist-styled Obama youth corps from 2008 where a line of inner city youth stamped out their obeisance militia-like to The One like good little automatons?
....
Like a good little soldier for the cause Gary Fry, the Choral Program Director and Voices Rising Director for MYA, sat himself down to try his hand at composing a Wagnerian masterpiece, one of which any dictator would be proud.
....
After he was done with his Wagnerian moment, Mr. Fry had his piece performed on February 21, 2010 at Pick-Staiger Auditorium in Evanston, Illinois, a northern suburb of Chicago. And he enlisted the service of an entire auditorium of Chicago area school children for his paean to Dear Leader.
....
Watch this video and listen to the grand scope of what Gary "Nietzsche cum Wagner" Fry was aiming for and it is sure to send a thrill down your leg and satisfy your need to stand up and salute your glorious leader in the White House. Long live Obama, long live Obama…

Outrage!

444 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:45:25pm

re: #432 kingkenrod

I haven't tried to analyze it too much, I'm happy just to see how it plays out...I mostly read what other people think.

It's been extremely clever. If you know anything about quantum entanglement, that's sort of what is playing out here. We have "pairs" of characters existing in 2 different time-like loops, and actions in each loop concurrently is effecting each other.

The "state" that the characters wind up in, at some point about halfway through the season, will decide the direction for the rest of the show.

Simple.. huh?

445 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:45:26pm

re: #429 Rightwingconspirator

I see the black box confirmed his braking efforts and shows and equal number of accelerator signals. He might not be making this up. Severe front brake wear etc...

I heard it explained that he was riding his brake while he was driving (250 gentle braking efforts) before he dialed 911. I think he was trying to simulate a failure...next, he'll show up in photos at a White House dinner.

446 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:45:29pm

re: #438 iceweasel

Pop culture is something VERY GOOD to fail at.
I suck at it too!
And, it's a GOOD THING!
(Channeling Martha Stewart!)

447 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:45:38pm

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

It's actually worse than that report indicates. It's not about when Mitchell returns the Mid East. Rather, the WH and State Department have escalated this flap into whether they even consider Israel an ally unless Israel does exactly as told. Here's the part of today's briefing where Crowley makes a point of saying that:

MR. CROWLEY: Well, we – Israel is a strategic ally of the United States and will continue to be so. The Vice President, during his trip to Israel last week, restated that commitment. We have very specific concerns about not only the substance of an announcement, the timing of an announcement, but its broader implication in terms of jeopardizing further progress on the peace process.

We have made some specific requests of the Israeli Government in that regard, and we’re looking forward to their response. But – this is a specific area of concern. But it should not be taken as an indication that the – our commitment to Israel’s security, as the Vice President said last week, remains unshakable.

Michele.

QUESTION: But last week, you said it was actually jeopardizing the relationship, and I wonder if you’re backing off from that now.

MR. CROWLEY: Well, no. We – well, we will evaluate the implications of this once we hear back from the Israelis and see how they respond to our concerns.

Under these circumstances, Israel would be foolish to engage in any negotiations as long as the US can dictate it demands ot threaten Israel with losing US support.
This administration, has, in effect, become, as the Wall Street Journal said today, the lawyers for the Palestinians.

448 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:45:45pm

re: #443 Killgore Trout

Some wingnut sez...

Obamaganda: Another School Sings Praises to Dear Leader

Outrage!

Must be an "A" school if this is their focus...

449 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:46:15pm

re: #443 Killgore Trout

Some wingnut sez...

Obamaganda: Another School Sings Praises to Dear Leader

Outrage!

...strolled all alone through a fallout zone and come out with my soul untouched
I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd but when they said "Sit down," I stood up.

Ooh... growin’ up

>springstein...

450 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:46:47pm

re: #442 Floral Giraffe

My favorite sketch was
Soup, art?
Art, soup?
While showing a campbell's soup can.

I liked the post it notes...

451 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:46:51pm

re: #438 iceweasel

heh. Well, she was really very young when she got together with him..19?
This is pretty much the extent of my Angelina Jolie knowledge, btw. iceweasel fails at pop culture.

I first saw Angelina in her brilliant part in Girl Interrupted..Just genius talent..
Then I thought she sold out cause she is Beautiful...

452 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:47:29pm

re: #451 HoosierHoops

I first saw Angelina in her brilliant part in Girl Interrupted..Just genius talent..
Then I thought she sold out cause she is Beautiful...

And "Hackers" before that.

453 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:47:51pm

re: #436 solomonpanting

I'm dangerous to my fingertips mama I'm dangerous head to toe, I got dangerous ears, dangerous eyes lord knows I've got a dangerous nose
I've been wanted by the Board of Inquiry, I've been condemmed by the Board of Health hey
I don't keep no mirrors inside my house because I even scare myself

Roy Rocks!

454 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:48:08pm

re: #446 Floral Giraffe

Pop culture is something VERY GOOD to fail at.
I suck at it too!
And, it's a GOOD THING!
(Channeling Martha Stewart!)

It's embarrassing sometimes though.
Sometimes I've wondered if I have some weird mild form of prosopagnosia or something. I'm incapable of recognising actors.

455 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:48:43pm

aaaaahhhhhhhh, Angelina

456 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:49:03pm

Off-topic: Wrapped up a Kurosawa film fest at home this weekend:

Recommendations:

The Idiot - an excellent re-telling of Dostoevsky's tale, beautifully-filmed, and with a stunning Japanese "Natasha" and a very sympathetic and warm "Idiot."

The Lower Depths: Yep, ya need to see this one, too. Kurosawa does Gorky and does him very well indeed.

457 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:49:04pm

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

It's been extremely clever. If you know anything about quantum entanglement, that's sort of what is playing out here. We have "pairs" of characters existing in 2 different time-like loops, and actions in each loop concurrently is effecting each other.

The "state" that the characters wind up in, at some point about halfway through the season, will decide the direction for the rest of the show.

Simple.. huh?

Oh great...now I want to go back and watch the season again to see if I can pick up on this...

458 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:49:44pm

wow, this is the first time I have approved of a music link here.

459 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:50:04pm

re: #272 darthstar

I think what he's saying is that anti-Israeli sentiment and anti-US sentiment are closely related in the Arab world, and that, with US troops on the ground in so many Islamic countries at present, it doesn't exactly benefit our troops for there to be more tension between the Israelis and the Palestinians. It's not 'no other reason'...just one other reason. A piece of the puzzle if you will. Not the entire puzzle.

This is how I understand it as well.

The issue I have though is this:
If we take at face value that Arab anger against the US is at least partially connected to the view that the US supports Israel and Israel is an affront to the Arab world, then what should the US do about it?

I see a few options..
a) They acede to Arab "sensitivities" and turn on Israel. Removing the linkage in the Arab mind between the US and Israel
b) They stand their ground and the Arab "street" remains embittered against Israel and the US.
c) They tell the Arab world to grow up and accept that Israel is here to stay. They go to the moderate regimes which they prop up, and tell them to stop using mass media for demonization of BOTH Israel and the US.

Obviously those are very un-nuanced propositions, but I'm just going for getting the gist across here. I also think the US is far from even recognizing the problem addressed in option c).

460 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:50:09pm

re: #437 NJDhockeyfan

Later gators. Gonna find some grub.


[Video]

Enjoy the drinks! (proving I made it to the end of the song)

Off to dinner too. I'm heading for some of the more dangerous food mentioned.

461 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:50:23pm

John Edwards' slut is unhappy...popola!
[Link: entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com...]

462 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:51:15pm

re: #443 Killgore Trout

Hot Air commenters....


Barrack Hussein Obama:
Boogety, boogety boogety, boogety shoo!

Cybergeezer on March 15, 2010 at 7:02 PM


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Starts off with some drumming like you might hear in. . . oh. . . Kenya.

How fitting.

RedNewEnglander on March 15, 2010 at 7:02 PM


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Real Obama theme music:

Cybergeezer on March 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM

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Olatunji “Chant To The God Of Thunder” is more like what Barrack wants.

Cybergeezer on March 15, 2010 at 7:11 PM


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...etc

463 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:51:43pm

re: #458 brainiac-dumdum

wow, this is the first time I have approved of a music link here.

wow

464 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:51:50pm

re: #461 albusteve

John Edwards' slut is unhappy...popola!
[Link: entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com...]

stay classy

465 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:52:06pm

re: #430 Joo-LiZ

The scariest thing about the whole conflict is the answer to that question.

They have yet to begin the process of even desiring peace. They have not yet allowed themselves to acknowledge Israel is there and they must make the most of what they have. As long as they think Israel is removable, temporary, an aberration, there is no underlying motivation to do something CONSTRUCTIVE.

The continuous education of the Palestinians against peace. The "resistance" ideology. THAT is the biggest obstacle of peace. Israel will not wipe itself out. Palestinians will not "give up" and acknowledge they lost all the previous wars.

It's quite devastating to really think about and grasp.

Indeed. I think, also, that Israel has a duty to bring criminals to justice and, of course, in the act of doing so, they are seen as escalating the war. It's an incredibly complex situation as you know.

In a perfect world, some young Gazan men would get sick of the party line, rebel and start to build an economy. Of course, they would probably be killed for even thinking it.

Which throws in another puzzle piece. We have no partner in peace in Gaza. We barely have one in East Jerusalem.

466 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:52:16pm

re: #461 albusteve

John Edwards' slut is unhappy...popola!
[Link: entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com...]

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

467 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:52:44pm

re: #463 albusteve

wow

it's mostly stuff my father would enjoy. I can see the value, but it's not my stylo

468 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:52:55pm

re: #466 Silvergirl

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

he's a slut too

469 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:52:57pm

re: #466 Silvergirl

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

I think the term is "whore-monger" or somesuch.

470 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:53:01pm

re: #459 Joo-LiZ

d) Israel gets backed into a corner and screws the pooch...

471 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:53:05pm

re: #447 MJ

Under these circumstances, Israel would be foolish to engage in any negotiations as long as the US can dictate it demands ot threaten Israel with losing US support.
This administration, has, in effect, become, as the Wall Street Journal said today, the lawyers for the Palestinians.

Why is this admin walking this fine line? Stupid as I see it. The American public will not brook an overt and imperialistic push against Israel. That is a loser at home and gains just what abroad? Naivety is the only explanation I can come up with.

472 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:53:27pm

re: #447 MJ

Barry Rubin nails it

It is important to understand that the current controversy over construction in east Jerusalem is neither a public relations’ problem nor a bilateral policy dispute. It arises because of things having nothing directly to do with this specific point.

What are the real issues involved:

1. The U.S. and most European governments are determined not to criticize the Palestinian Authority’s (PA) sabotage of the peace process. The facts are clear: The PA rejects negotiations for fourteen months. No reaction. The PA makes President Barack Obama look foolish by destroying his September 2009 initiative saying there would be talks within two months. The PA broke its promise to Obama not to sponsor the Goldstone report. In the end, the PA still won’t talk directly. Yet during fourteen months in office the Obama administration has not criticized the PA once. The point is clear: The U.S. government will never criticize the PA no matter what it does. (We’ll talk about why this is so in a moment.)

2. Same thing regarding Syria. Dictator Bashar al-Assad supports terrorists who kill the United States in Iraq; kills Lebanese politicians; openly laughs at U.S. policy; and invites Iran’s president immediately after a major U.S. concession. Yet the Obama Administration makes no criticism and in fact offers more concessions.

3. The United States will criticize Iran but will not take a tough and vigorous stand against it. Now it is mid-March and no higher sanctions. Indeed, the administration’s sanctions’ campaign is falling apart.

4. On whom can the Administration’s failures be blamed? Answer: Israel. Since it is a friend of the United States and to some degree dependent on it, no matter what the Obama Administration does to Israel that country has no wish or way to retaliate. It is safe to beat up on Israel.

5. By doing so, the Administration gets Europeans to go alone easily and can say to Arabs and Muslims: See we are tough on Israel so you should be nice to us.


SNIP

RTWT (He goes on with a number of other points)

473 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:53:35pm

re: #466 Silvergirl

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

Exactly.

474 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:54:02pm

re: #466 Silvergirl

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

A slut. Or how about, a lyin' cheatin' sack of shit? (borrowed that one from "Something to Talk About")

475 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:54:05pm

re: #459 Joo-LiZ

Thank you for the thoughtful response, and the multiple-choice of options. That's rare in the discussion of US/Israeli/Arab relations. Granted, I don't know what will work. If I did, I'd be getting paid ten figures as a consultant to the State Department and worth every cent.

476 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:54:50pm

re: #447 MJ

Before making any assumptions about all that, and I don't think you made any incorrect points, I'm going to wait to see how it all falls out. I simply cannot believe the U.S. would do that. I just can't. Maybe I'm in denial.

477 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:54:51pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Also on HotWingNuts, in the GreenSnotRoom, is a link to the DailyCaller article titled "U.S. residents ‘losing faith’ in American Dream, new poll shows", which is a race piece on how minorities are more positive on the "American Dream" (whatever that is) than white Americans. Expect the usual comments.

478 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:55:16pm

re: #425 Guanxi88

Hey, I'm not disputing her initial assessment. #2 daughter has been blessed with my prominent proboscis, and the wife has already begun to put aside money against the inevitable "correction" that will be required.

I hope by that time standards of beauty will have shifted, and it won't be necessary. There's much to admire in a high, aquiline honker.

479 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:55:45pm

re: #465 marjoriemoon

Indeed. I think, also, that Israel has a duty to bring criminals to justice and, of course, in the act of doing so, they are seen as escalating the war. It's an incredibly complex situation as you know.

In a perfect world, some young Gazan men would get sick of the party line, rebel and start to build an economy. Of course, they would probably be killed for even thinking it.

Which throws in another puzzle piece. We have no partner in peace in Gaza. We barely have one in East Jerusalem.

Yes, except that "perfect world" will never happen because the "young Gazan men" will never have the thoughts even occur to them without exposure to the wider world... at which point they are labelled "collaborators".

So long as the foreign aid keeps flowing with no regard for the brainwashing of youth, everything they see in media and school perpetuates the conflict.

480 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:55:59pm

re: #457 kingkenrod

Oh great...now I want to go back and watch the season again to see if I can pick up on this...

Yes... the "explosion" created the alternate time line, but just as Mrs. Hawking said in season four, the "universe will alway course correct." You can't change destiny.

Look at what's happened "off Island." Even though the situations have changed a bit, everything still happens. John is still crippled, jack's father is still missing, Sayid's dark side still took control and he shot Keamy, kate is still running, Claire still had the baby, Ben is still a "nobody" and so on.

But at the same time, choices "on Island" are being made, choices that are mirroring the "off Island" time line.

What ever it is that "The Island" wants. it is still going to get no matter what various "sides" in the conflict try to do. It's a large chess game, with a pre-determined outcome.

Except... Desmond will be the variable that can change everything. As Mrs. Hawking told him, he is special.

481 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:56:22pm

re: #461 albusteve

John Edwards' slut is unhappy...popola!
[Link: entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com...]

She posed wearing a man's shirt in bed. What message does she think she's sending? By the way, I don't care for the word 'slut'...she had an affair with Edwards. That doesn't make her a slut. Did she exercise poor judgement? Sure.

482 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:56:42pm

re: #467 brainiac-dumdum

it's mostly stuff my father would enjoy. I can see the value, but it's not my stylo

Is that Patty Hearst as your avatar?

483 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:57:25pm

re: #458 brainiac-dumdum

Are you the same guy from Fark?

484 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:57:41pm

re: #478 The Sanity Inspector

I hope by that time standards of beauty will have shifted, and it won't be necessary. There's much to admire in a high, aquiline honker.

I was thinking that the kid may end up liking her nose. I wouldn't mind having a little extra nose, in fact.
It's our little imperfections that make faces interesting IMO.

485 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #478 The Sanity Inspector

I hope by that time standards of beauty will have shifted, and it won't be necessary. There's much to admire in a high, aquiline honker.

Would that mine (and #2 daughter's) nose were so beautiful. Ya remember those vicious stereotypical cartoons outta Eastern Europe (and now the Mid-East) with that "Protocols" kinda nose? Or from Spaceballs, Princess Vespa's "Before" picture?

Yep, that's the one. Got a great hook on the end of it. I'll grow into it, assuming I live to 70 or so, but #2 daughter, well, she won't wait that long.

486 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:58:29pm

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

Is that Patty Hearst as your avatar?

OMG it is! I love this place

487 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:04pm

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

Is that Patty Hearst as your avatar?

Her name is Tanya.

488 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:20pm

re: #487 Guanxi88

Her name is Tanya.

Tania.

489 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:21pm

re: #466 Silvergirl

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

He's an insincere turd sandwich. A lying snake who'd sell his kids for power.

Imagine Sarah Palin, made male and with her phoniness and dishonesty increased by a factor of 5, and you got John Edwards/

490 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:37pm

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

why?

491 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:38pm

re: #481 darthstar

She posed wearing a man's shirt in bed. What message does she think she's sending? By the way, I don't care for the word 'slut'...she had an affair with Edwards. That doesn't make her a slut. Did she exercise poor judgement? Sure.

it applies perfectly to her...slut, sexually promiscuous or whatever

492 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:49pm

re: #488 wrenchwench

Tania.

Ahh, so you've met her, too?

(Thanks for the assist.)

493 solomonpanting  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:51pm

re: #453 brookly red

Roy Rocks!

David Bromberg

494 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 4:59:59pm

re: #485 Guanxi88

My cousin had a bump on the top of her nose that looked like a cartoon witch's. She had it shaved off at 18 and was sooo much happier. Your wife is smart.

495 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:00:21pm

re: #466 Silvergirl

Bring out my smelling salts, but I do not like that word.

The whole Edwards affair is a mess. If she's a slut, what is he?

No longer a viable candidate for public office.

496 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:00:40pm

re: #483 Obdicut

yes, but I'm not a guy

497 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:00:42pm

re: #489 Dark_Falcon

He's an insincere turd sandwich. A lying snake who'd sell his kids for power.

Imagine Sarah Palin, made male and with her phoniness and dishonesty increased by a factor of 5, and you got John Edwards/

A lying snake who denied his own kid was even his!
*spit*
Lowest of the low.

498 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:00:49pm

re: #490 brainiac-dumdum

why?

I just want to know. It's not a serious problem for me.

499 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:00:55pm

re: #495 goddamnedfrank

praise allah

500 brainiac-dumdum  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:01:08pm

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

yes, it is

501 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:01:11pm

re: #492 Guanxi88

Ahh, so you've met her, too?

(Thanks for the assist.)

I'm just quick on the Wiki.

You've met her?

502 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:01:14pm

re: #494 prairiefire

My cousin had a bump on the top of her nose that looked like a cartoon witch's. She had it shaved off at 18 and was sooo much happier. Your wife is smart.

Exactly - I'm living proof that a man can get by in this - or any known - society with such "distinctive" appearance; women have it harder, and, given that she's my daughter, I've already got a lot to make up for .

503 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:01:32pm

re: #500 brainiac-dumdum

yes, it is

Thank you.

504 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:01:38pm

re: #493 solomonpanting

David Bromberg


My bad! David not Roy... thanks for the link!

505 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:01:57pm

re: #472 Joo-LiZ

Barry Rubin nails it


SNIP

RTWT (He goes on with a number of other points)

The only problem with Rubin's analysis is that Obama isn't what you would call exactly a Euro-centric President. He hasn't shown much interest in Europe at all. His interest is the Pacific.

506 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:02:30pm

re: #471 The Shadow Do

Why is this admin walking this fine line? Stupid as I see it. The American public will not brook an overt and imperialistic push against Israel. That is a loser at home and gains just what abroad? Naivety is the only explanation I can come up with.

Surely the Congress will not sanction it. They have consistently supported Israel by some 90%. (there's always a bonehead or two)

507 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:03:00pm

re: #501 wrenchwench

I'm just quick on the Wiki.

You've met her?

No, it was a joke, a poor little joke.

It;s like when I'll say: "President Reagan always struck me as a nice enough guy." Respondent generally agrees (or doesn't), and then I throw out, "Oh, you've met him, too?"

Pointless non-sequitir, one of my trademarks.

508 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:03:01pm

re: #506 marjoriemoon

Surely the Congress will not sanction it. They have consistently supported Israel by some 90%. (there's always a bonehead or two)

Luap Nor!

509 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:05:23pm

*sniff* *sniff*

510 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:05:24pm

re: #505 MJ

The only problem with Rubin's analysis is that Obama isn't what you would call exactly a Euro-centric President. He hasn't shown much interest in Europe at all. His interest is the Pacific.

I don't think he is saying Europe plays into Obama's calculations. He is saying Europe and Obama look at Israel in the same way.

511 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:05:34pm

re: #507 Guanxi88

No, it was a joke, a poor little joke.

It;s like when I'll say: "President Reagan always struck me as a nice enough guy." Respondent generally agrees (or doesn't), and then I throw out, "Oh, you've met him, too?"

Pointless non-sequitir, one of my trademarks.

That's a good one.

512 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:05:45pm

just found out Joe Bonamosa is playing the cool Lensic Theater, Santa Fe, the 20th....13 tickets left....bummer

513 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:06:02pm

re: #501 wrenchwench

I'm just quick on the Wiki.

You've met her?

I'll add, though, that a good name - even if someone else's - can open doors.

I regularly reserved tables under "Kissinger, party of two" when I lived in Beantown.

Never said which Kissinger, never even claimed to be a Kissinger, but that was the name my reservations were made under.

Oh, and if you ever want to end a conversation, I find saying, "Well, that may well be, but J. Edgar Hoover always said......"

514 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:06:35pm

re: #506 marjoriemoon

Surely the Congress will not sanction it. They have consistently supported Israel by some 90%. (there's always a bonehead or two)

Congress seems ready to do a whole lot of stuff we are not supporting...

515 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:07:31pm

re: #513 Guanxi88

I'll add, though, that a good name - even if someone else's - can open doors.

I regularly reserved tables under "Kissinger, party of two" when I lived in Beantown.

Never said which Kissinger, never even claimed to be a Kissinger, but that was the name my reservations were made under.

Oh, and if you ever want to end a conversation, I find saying, "Well, that may well be, but J. Edgar Hoover always said..."

I knew a man who registered at a hotel under Friedman, and at check-in had to clarify that he was not Kinky.

516 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:07:36pm

re: #471 The Shadow Do

Why is this admin walking this fine line? Stupid as I see it. The American public will not brook an overt and imperialistic push against Israel. That is a loser at home and gains just what abroad? Naivety is the only explanation I can come up with.

I'm contractually obligated to say this.

So all US aid should come no strings attached?

If they don't want to meet our needs/desires in the region they don't need to take our money. (2.5 billion a YEAR as of the most recent numbers I found).

517 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:07:42pm

re: #454 iceweasel

NOT knowing the "latest" on "the stars" isn't embarassing at all!
IMHO.
I don't even know who most of the folks on the cover of the Enquirer are!
Your mileage may vary.

518 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:08:01pm

re: #514 brookly red

Congress seems ready to do a whole lot of stuff we are not supporting...

Healthcare is a different can of worms, but you knew that already, didntcha?

519 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:08:11pm

re: #509 cliffster

*sniff* *sniff*

woff , woff

520 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:08:12pm

re: #515 wrenchwench

I knew a man who registered at a hotel under Friedman, and at check-in had to clarify that he was not Kinky.

Sounds like a fun hotel, if nothing else.

521 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:08:50pm

re: #514 brookly red

Congress seems ready to do a whole lot of stuff we are not supporting...

I wonder what a national poll would say about cash for clunkers?

522 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:09:01pm

re: #516 windsagio

I'm contractually obligated to say this.

So all US aid should come no strings attached?

If they don't want to meet our needs/desires in the region they don't need to take our money. (2.5 billion a YEAR as of the most recent numbers I found).

TAKE out money? You know that Israel is one of the few countries that actually repays its debts and then some?

523 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:09:05pm

re: #520 Guanxi88

Sounds like a fun hotel, if nothing else.

One of those really fancy ones in San Francisco.

524 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:09:26pm

re: #514 brookly red

Congress seems ready to do a whole lot of stuff we are not supporting...

Isn't that why we don't actually have pure, direct democracy?

(old Point I know, but still :p)

525 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:10:01pm

re: #522 marjoriemoon

This is seperate than the loans, if I read it right.

So yes, take our money.

526 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:10:10pm

re: #518 marjoriemoon

Healthcare is a different can of worms, but you knew that already, didntcha?

cap & trade, immigration, bank regulation etc. etc. there is a lot of stuff in play...

527 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:10:23pm

Re physical beauty: Years back my teenage daughter, full of all that angst, was seriously self-handicapped by what she saw as a bad nose and a weak jaw. She was beautiful but, in her eyes, ugly. If you think your kids don't measure themselves this way then you are wrong.

What does dad do, does he council her? Find professional help? Redirect her in some mysterious way?

I'll tell you what I did. I paid for the jaw surgery and the nose job. Is she beautiful? Yes, she was then and she is now. And she was probably saved from a lifetime on needless self-deprecating shit.

528 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:10:24pm

re: #523 wrenchwench

One of those really fancy ones in San Francisco.

Guess they don't get a lot of guys named Friedman in big-ass hats chompin' on seegars.

529 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:10:26pm

re: #502 Guanxi88

A large nose on a man is handsome. Women, sometimes yes.

530 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:10:46pm

re: #516 windsagio

I'm contractually obligated to say this.

So all US aid should come no strings attached?

If they don't want to meet our needs/desires in the region they don't need to take our money. (2.5 billion a YEAR as of the most recent numbers I found).

Are you referring to aid to Israel here?

I would ask the exact same question, but argue the strings should be attached to the Arab world to tone down the anti-American rhetoric. That solves the problem in a way much more in line with Western values. They want our money, they can't take it then say we are the source of all their woes.

531 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:11:13pm

re: #527 The Shadow Do

You, sir, are a sweetheart.

532 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:11:27pm

re: #526 brookly red

cap & trade, immigration, bank regulation etc. etc. there is a lot of stuff in play...

the new land grab (Bush did it too!)

533 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:11:46pm

re: #516 windsagio

I'm contractually obligated to say this.

So all US aid should come no strings attached?

If they don't want to meet our needs/desires in the region they don't need to take our money. (2.5 billion a YEAR as of the most recent numbers I found).

You just violated a leftist creed. Are you endorsing US imperialism?

534 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:11:47pm

re: #529 prairiefire

A large nose on a man is handsome. Women, sometimes yes.

Yeah, but I'm not prepared to take that chance with #2 Daughter. If she wants to go under the knife (or whatever it will be by then), then so be it. The Shadow Do's got it right.

535 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:11:56pm

re: #512 albusteve

Didn't get one of the 13 tickets left?

536 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:12:04pm

re: #530 Joo-LiZ

Thats kinda an meaningless comparison. I was talking about Israel, not the palestinians.

537 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:12:37pm

re: #521 albusteve

I wonder what a national poll would say about cash for clunkers?

you know that is not a bad idea... pay congress critters to retire... it could work.

538 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:12:52pm

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

Yes... the "explosion" created the alternate time line, but just as Mrs. Hawking said in season four, the "universe will alway course correct." You can't change destiny.

Look at what's happened "off Island." Even though the situations have changed a bit, everything still happens. John is still crippled, jack's father is still missing, Sayid's dark side still took control and he shot Keamy, kate is still running, Claire still had the baby, Ben is still a "nobody" and so on.

But at the same time, choices "on Island" are being made, choices that are mirroring the "off Island" time line.

What ever it is that "The Island" wants. it is still going to get no matter what various "sides" in the conflict try to do. It's a large chess game, with a pre-determined outcome.

Except... Desmond will be the variable that can change everything. As Mrs. Hawking told him, he is special.

And Desmond must be special because he was at the center of the original Swan hatch explosion...I can't think of anything else that would make him unique. It's difficult to remember everything that has happened over the past 6 years.

I keep wondering how they are going to address the source of the conflict between Jacob and his opponent, and their abilities...

539 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:12:55pm

re: #533 The Shadow Do

I'm a big fan of getting something for your money (humanitarian aid aside, but that's not what we're talking about).

Also is that the best you can do to address my point? Call it imperialism and generalize about the left?

540 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:13:25pm

re: #506 marjoriemoon

Surely the Congress will not sanction it. They have consistently supported Israel by some 90%. (there's always a bonehead or two)

Those who spoke in Congress today were highly critical of this Obama policy- particularity Lieberman and McCain. In addition, there have been a number of statements issued which criticized the Administration.

These statements led the State Department today to offer up a rare- I do mean rare- criticism of Palestinian incitement:

QUESTION: Thanks. You mentioned the rededication of a synagogue in the Old City?

MR. CROWLEY: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: That you were disappointed in that. Are you disappointed in the rededication or in the reaction?

MR. CROWLEY: No, the reaction. I mean, there have been some mischaracterizations of this particular event, and we have concerns that this could lead to further tensions. And we just call on everyone not to – to be careful about public statements that can incite further violence.

QUESTION: So you’re not objecting to the rededication?

MR. CROWLEY: Not at all, not at all, not at all.

QUESTION: And have there been any --

MR. CROWLEY: This is about statements made about this event, not about the event itself.

QUESTION: By the Palestinians?

QUESTION: Have there been any direct --
QUESTION: By Palestinian officials.

QUESTION: Have there been any direct communications with the Palestinian officials on that issue?

MR. CROWLEY: Yes.

QUESTION: And are you requesting specific things of them?

MR. CROWLEY: We have made our concerns known about these public statements regarding this event. I mean, we remain in – over the weekend, we were in contact with officials from – both Palestinians and Israelis as we continue to look for the right conditions to move these talks forward.

However, before anyone gets too excited, it should be noted that the criticism did not come from the Sec of State. In fact, it came from someone so low in the Administration that Crowley couldn't even name the official, and, as noted earlier, came in response to Congressional criticism.

541 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:13:43pm

re: #389 Silvergirl

Sanity Inspector is responsible for warm weather in Phoenix? Sanity, I'd like Fiji style weather, year round. Starting now.

Sure! Let me get to work emitting more methane.

542 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:14:00pm

re: #537 brookly red

you know that is not a bad idea... pay congress critters to retire... it could work.

Ezra Pound, of all people, proposed to just pay off the bureaucrats and such. Pay 'em salary and benefits to stay OUT of the way; cheaper and more humane than suffering them or in running them outta the country.

543 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:14:12pm

re: #524 windsagio

Isn't that why we don't actually have pure, direct democracy?

(old Point I know, but still :p)

well yes partly, but we never were a pure democracy. we are a representational democracy.

544 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:14:22pm

re: #536 windsagio

Thats kinda an meaningless comparison. I was talking about Israel, not the palestinians.

I don't see how it is a meaningless comparison. You are saying on the one hand, that Israel has to obey US demands because of aid, but on the other aid to the Arabs is free AND they get to demonize us at the same time...

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

545 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:14:46pm

re: #529 prairiefire

A large nose on a man is handsome. Women, sometimes yes.

[Link: images.google.com...]

546 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:14:47pm

re: #534 Guanxi88

Just have her talk to a shrink type person, to make sure BEFORE the surgery, that the image problem will be solved by the surgery.
Says the formerly 18 y/o surgical patient, who didn't know WHAT she wanted to fix, deep down inside.

547 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:14:58pm

re: #535 Floral Giraffe

Didn't get one of the 13 tickets left?

they are going in blocks...like 6 for $300 and some dollars...too late now, but I've seen him a few times

548 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:15:33pm

re: #525 windsagio

This is seperate than the loans, if I read it right.

So yes, take our money.

What is it that you're reading? If you think we're handing over money to Israel like we do into the sinking, gaping whole of the third world, you really don't understand it at all. Besides, no one can possibly want Israel to lose this battle if they have any idea what the region would look like without it. Every penny spent there is worth it.

549 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:01pm

re: #530 Joo-LiZ


I would ask the exact same question, but argue the strings should be attached to the Arab world to tone down the anti-American rhetoric. That solves the problem in a way much more in line with Western values. They want our money, they can't take it then say we are the source of all their woes.

I am significantly less uncomfortable with the current administration's approach to Israel than many (or most?) here, but this is a great point.

550 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:01pm

re: #539 windsagio

I'm a big fan of getting something for your money (humanitarian aid aside, but that's not what we're talking about).

Also is that the best you can do to address my point? Call it imperialism and generalize about the left?

you question was very general

551 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:10pm

re: #540 MJ

Not only that, notice how QUIETLY they do it?

Huge public row with Israel... silent backroom talk which was only acknowledged after direct questioning with the Palestinians.

552 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:17pm

re: #532 albusteve

the new land grab (Bush did it too!)

I don't worry about land grabs... that has and always will be the source of power.

553 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:27pm

re: #546 Floral Giraffe

Just have her talk to a shrink type person, to make sure BEFORE the surgery, that the image problem will be solved by the surgery.
Says the formerly 18 y/o surgical patient, who didn't know WHAT she wanted to fix, deep down inside.

Eh. she's 4 right now; we've got time to finesse the thing. Hell, maybe I'll just let her know there's a pot of cash for her - nose or car or what-have-you.

554 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:32pm

re: #538 kingkenrod

And Desmond must be special because he was at the center of the original Swan hatch explosion...I can't think of anything else that would make him unique. It's difficult to remember everything that has happened over the past 6 years.

Not sure on that one. Mrs. Hawking told him that BEFORE he and his boat wreaked on the Island. That was back in the 1990's. But he is certainly "special" for some reason, which I suspect we will find out.

I keep wondering how they are going to address the source of the conflict between Jacob and his opponent, and their abilities...

I can say with 100 percent surety, before the end of the series :)

555 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:32pm

re: #544 Joo-LiZ

Lol, strawman.

I never said anything about Palestine, at all.

re: #543 brookly red

That's kinda my point, public opinion is so fickle, the idea is that the congresspeople will do what's the right thing to do rather than whats popular.

Sure it doesn't quite work that way, but being slavish to pop. opinion vs doing something important is probably a bad idea.

556 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:16:37pm

re: #547 albusteve

I thought of you yesterday.
Saw a 1966-ish Ford GT500 red with a white convertible top.
CHERRY.
It was stopping traffic, parked on the street.
Beautiful car!

557 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:17:35pm

re: #556 Floral Giraffe

I thought of you yesterday.
Saw a 1966-ish Ford GT500 red with a white convertible top.
CHERRY.
It was stopping traffic, parked on the street.
Beautiful car!

Sweet ride. I've got some friend who'd love to drive that, and I know my dad would want to.

558 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:17:46pm

re: #542 Guanxi88

Ezra Pound, of all people, proposed to just pay off the bureaucrats and such. Pay 'em salary and benefits to stay OUT of the way; cheaper and more humane than suffering them or in running them outta the country.

well yeah, but a pound of flesh is still a pound of flesh...

559 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:17:47pm

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Oh, noes! There's another video of children doing a music tribute to Obama making the rounds. EVERYBODY PANIC!

While Obama has the children of America writing symphonies for him, GWB is having his face turned into urinals. Somewhere, an ex-president is crying.

560 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:17:53pm

re: #553 Guanxi88

Love her, and she will grow up, secure in knowing that you love her.
That's the most important thing.
((G88))

561 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:18:05pm

re: #555 windsagio

Could you please clarify then...

What are you trying to say about the aid?

562 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:18:14pm

re: #549 bratwurst

I am significantly less uncomfortable with the current administration's approach to Israel than many (or most?) here, but this is a great point.

I'm pretty much outraged...BO is an incoherent idiot, and Clinton?...good grief, I hope Israel weathers out this deluge of lunacy

563 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:18:41pm

re: #560 Floral Giraffe

Love her, and she will grow up, secure in knowing that you love her.
That's the most important thing.
((G88))

Ahh, she knows that - like the other apes, she knows I'm hers entirely. As the more cunning of the three, she'll be the first to act on it, I can be sure.

564 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:19:04pm

re: #550 albusteve

I would have used the term 'rhetorical' rather than 'broad' :p

The point hold, if we're giving them aid or unusual loans, and not expecting any diplomatic influence than them, we're treating them differently than we treat any other country in the world.

so a follow up question:

Should we treat Israel differently than we treat Germany, France, India, Canada, etc?

565 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:19:18pm

re: #557 Dark_Falcon

It was a honey.
Parked with the windows down, somebody was working on a Sunday.
Magnificent car. Old, black & yellow California plates.
Quite possibly, the original owner.

566 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:19:48pm

re: #531 prairiefire

You, sir, are a sweetheart.

Thank you but I wasn't casting for a compliment. Too many people think the right thing is just to, well, deal with it. Builds character and all of that rot.

Thank God we live in a time and a country where such things are possible. Imagine the horrors of being a young woman in much of the rest of the world.

567 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:20:08pm

re: #563 Guanxi88

Smart is good!

568 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:20:13pm

re: #562 albusteve

I'm pretty much outraged...BO is an incoherent idiot, and Clinton?...good grief, I hope Israel weathers out this deluge of lunacy

have nukes, will exist... next.

569 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:20:44pm

re: #527 The Shadow Do

Re physical beauty: Years back my teenage daughter, full of all that angst, was seriously self-handicapped by what she saw as a bad nose and a weak jaw. She was beautiful but, in her eyes, ugly. If you think your kids don't measure themselves this way then you are wrong.

What does dad do, does he council her? Find professional help? Redirect her in some mysterious way?

I'll tell you what I did. I paid for the jaw surgery and the nose job. Is she beautiful? Yes, she was then and she is now. And she was probably saved from a lifetime on needless self-deprecating shit.


Glad it didn't cascade, though, a la Michael Jackson. The thing that was wrong with him was beyond the reach of a scalpel.

570 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:20:55pm

re: #566 The Shadow Do

Thank you but I wasn't casting for a compliment. Too many people think the right thing is just to, well, deal with it. Builds character and all of that rot.

Thank God we live in a time and a country where such things are possible. Imagine the horrors of being a young woman in much of the rest of the world.

My boss's youngest sister is crippled with polio; in a traditional Chinese family, she's the object of pity and contempt, as unmarriable.

571 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:21:06pm

re: #565 Floral Giraffe

It was a honey.
Parked with the windows down, somebody was working on a Sunday.
Magnificent car. Old, black & yellow California plates.
Quite possibly, the original owner.

I loved the black plates in California...My first car had black plates in Napa

572 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:21:09pm

re: #561 Joo-LiZ

well see my 564, naturally I'd like to see the same thing apply to any country :P


... I will say that palestinians have an additional problem in 'who do you really negotiate with anyways'?

573 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:21:45pm

re: #564 windsagio

I would have used the term 'rhetorical' rather than 'broad' :p

The point hold, if we're giving them aid or unusual loans, and not expecting any diplomatic influence than them, we're treating them differently than we treat any other country in the world.

so a follow up question:

Should we treat Israel differently than we treat Germany, France, India, Canada, etc?

That is my whole point. The US gives aid to numerous countries throughout the world. Why should the US only be trying to exert control over Israel when it also funds the other side of the same issue?

574 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:21:46pm

re: #564 windsagio

I would have used the term 'rhetorical' rather than 'broad' :p

The point hold, if we're giving them aid or unusual loans, and not expecting any diplomatic influence than them, we're treating them differently than we treat any other country in the world.

so a follow up question:

Should we treat Israel differently than we treat Germany, France, India, Canada, etc?

Can you link some of the things you've been reading? I'd like to look at it.

575 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:22:06pm

re: #539 windsagio

I'm a big fan of getting something for your money (humanitarian aid aside, but that's not what we're talking about).

Also is that the best you can do to address my point? Call it imperialism and generalize about the left?

Touche. I think it is wrong to expect anything from foreign aid. It is shop worn and rarely brings the payoff one expects.

576 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #554 Walter L. Newton

I can say with 100 percent surety, before the end of the series :)

That's right about Desmond, though the "past" conversation only happened "after" the hatch blew up...

***HEAD EXPLODES***

577 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:22:40pm

re: #546 Floral Giraffe

Just have her talk to a shrink type person, to make sure BEFORE the surgery, that the image problem will be solved by the surgery.
Says the formerly 18 y/o surgical patient, who didn't know WHAT she wanted to fix, deep down inside.

When I was a teen, I thought I would look better with contact lenses instead of glasses. Realized after I got 'em that I look better in soft focus.

578 Racer X  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:22:52pm
579 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:22:57pm

re: #556 Floral Giraffe

I thought of you yesterday.
Saw a 1966-ish Ford GT500 red with a white convertible top.
CHERRY.
It was stopping traffic, parked on the street.
Beautiful car!

yeah, I love that stuff...and there is a ton of it down here..there is a rebuild shop (one of many) down the street, and they put out all their cars in the bright beautiful sun the other day..saw a rare 69 Boss 429 Mustang....like this...

Image: boss429_left.jpg


I'm in heaven down here

580 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:23:23pm

re: #576 kingkenrod

That's right about Desmond, though the "past" conversation only happened "after" the hatch blew up...

***HEAD EXPLODES***

Yep. The show is a lot of fun.

581 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:23:30pm

re: #556 Floral Giraffe

where are you?

582 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:23:33pm

re: #578 Racer X

Illuminated Cloud Trails Above Greece

CHEM-TRAILS destroying the GREEK economy!

I knew it!

583 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:23:59pm

re: #485 Guanxi88

Would that mine (and #2 daughter's) nose were so beautiful. Ya remember those vicious stereotypical cartoons outta Eastern Europe (and now the Mid-East) with that "Protocols" kinda nose? Or from Spaceballs, Princess Vespa's "Before" picture?

Yep, that's the one. Got a great hook on the end of it. I'll grow into it, assuming I live to 70 or so, but #2 daughter, well, she won't wait that long.

My new little granddaughter's nose is just perfect!

584 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:24:17pm

re: #559 kingkenrod

While Obama has the children of America writing symphonies for him, GWB is having his face turned into urinals. Somewhere, an ex-president is crying.

I doubt Bush cares much. However Republicans should care. Why do young people and teachers like Democrats and think Republicans are uncool idiots? Republican policies against education, science, global warming, gay rights etc are very unpopular with young people and educated adults. Those young people are going to grow up and vote. They probably aren't going to become Republicans. That's a serious problem.

585 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:24:21pm

re: #572 windsagio

well see my 564, naturally I'd like to see the same thing apply to any country :P

... I will say that palestinians have an additional problem in 'who do you really negotiate with anyways'?

Okay, so if we are talking hypothetically that the US aid should mean that it gets to exert diplomatic influence on the country, I would agree.

But if we are only expecting Israel to respond as a "client" state and not other states -- that is an issue.

I know you will say that you are not only expecting Israel to, but you expect them all too. What does that amount to, though, if it is completely unrealistic to expect anyone else to accept additional US influence?

586 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:24:39pm

re: #578 Racer X

Illuminated Cloud Trails Above Greece

CHEMTRAILS... run...

587 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:24:59pm

re: #571 HoosierHoops

I loved the black plates in California...My first car had black plates in Napa

NM has new Centennial plates. Turquoise! They are beautiful.

588 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:24:59pm
589 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:25:22pm

re: #570 Guanxi88

My boss's youngest sister is crippled with polio; in a traditional Chinese family, she's the object of pity and contempt, as unmarriable.

Jesus. That could not be more awful. Heartbreaking.

590 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:25:52pm

re: #583 Alouette

My new little granddaughter's nose is just perfect!


[Video]

Adorable - and such a smart girl, you can tell.

(Wife's family got no nose-related experience, and so are ill-equipped to appreciate the finer points - so to speak - of the thing. My mother saw the pictures and laughed out : "Well, Granny would be proud!")

591 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:26:53pm

re: #562 albusteve

I'm pretty much outraged...BO is an incoherent idiot, and Clinton?...good grief, I hope Israel weathers out this deluge of lunacy

I respect your right to be outraged, but I honestly do not see such a dramatic difference from previous administrations in the big picture. If you remove the 3 years following 9/11 (which, of course, you can't) the difference goes from small to microscopic.

592 Racer X  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:26:55pm

re: #588 Killgore Trout

Wow!

That one really is a stunning picture. The stars, the clouds, the scenery in the foreground, and it looks like daytime but is really night. Stunning.

593 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:26:58pm

re: #552 brookly red

I don't worry about land grabs... that has and always will be the source of power.

it's a historical point of contention in the west...city slickers don't understand it...but in this case, it's obvious to shut down potential energy production...just like Boxer closed off the desert in CA to solar

594 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:27:15pm

re: #574 marjoriemoon

Walter and I both seperately linked to it a few days back (seperate sources too), it was in the thread where someone made the mistake of saying that they got $50billion a year in aid, so we checked it out and corrected it.

re: #573 Joo-LiZre: #575 The Shadow Dore: #585 Joo-LiZ

That's how diplomacy works, largely. You give something and expect something in return. Money in this sense is no different than an advantageous trade deal (or the reverse, sanctions).

595 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:27:17pm

At what point do we decide that Israel has just told us to go blow ourselves?

Seemingly they crossed that line quite a while ago yet still receive billions from the USA in military aid.

So any President that even tries to get them to abide by the treaty restrictions that they previously signed with us on new settlements is anti-Semitic?

During the Bush "war on terror" no one here had any right to tell them that anything they were doing was wrong. Some seem to be saying that even now we still don't?

I support Israel, but only to a point, their population increase does not support their territorial increases. Sure the "end times" people both Christian and Jewish support it, but theology is not a basis for sound legislation.

596 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:27:37pm

U.S., U.K. Move Closer to Losing Rating, Moody’s Says

Under the ratings company’s so-called baseline scenario, the U.S. will spend more on debt service as a percentage of revenue this year than any other top-rated country except the U.K., and will be the biggest spender from 2011 to 2013, Moody’s said today in a report.

“We expect the situation to further deteriorate in terms of the key ratings metrics before they start stabilizing,” Cailleteau said. “This story is not going to stop at the end of the year. There is inertia in the deterioration of credit metrics.”

597 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:27:52pm

For iceweasel : Gorillaz musical predecessors "The Archies" with "Sugar Sugar"

598 DaddyLawBucks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:09pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Who is that a problem for? the same people who pressed the policies against education, against minorities, and against science. Maybe its better for us that there is a lot less support for the policies of ignorance and bigotry, not that I'm prejudiced.

599 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:11pm

re: #595 ausador

Bravely said.

600 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:25pm

re: #564 windsagio

I would have used the term 'rhetorical' rather than 'broad' :p

The point hold, if we're giving them aid or unusual loans, and not expecting any diplomatic influence than them, we're treating them differently than we treat any other country in the world.

so a follow up question:

Should we treat Israel differently than we treat Germany, France, India, Canada, etc?

yes, certainly...and if you can't see why, I sure can't tell you

601 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:34pm

re: #589 The Shadow Do

Jesus. That could not be more awful. Heartbreaking.

She was her daddy's favorite, though, and so when he died, everyone was in for quite a shock. She owns about 8 blocks of PRIME Taipei real estate.

He knew no one would marry her, and knew his other children wouldn't treat her right when he was gone, so he made provision for her. A good and humane man, and a great father.

602 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:47pm

re: #597 Jimmah

I find that deeply offensive. Comparing the Gorillaz to the Archies is... well its awful!

-1 point :P

603 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:50pm

re: #579 albusteve

yeah, I love that stuff...and there is a ton of it down here..there is a rebuild shop (one of many) down the street, and they put out all their cars in the bright beautiful sun the other day..saw a rare 69 Boss 429 Mustang...like this...

[Link: www.carchaos.com...]

I'm in heaven down here

You'd look GOOD driving that car!

604 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:28:56pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

I doubt Bush cares much. However Republicans should care. Why do young people and teachers like Democrats and think Republicans are uncool idiots? Republican policies against education, science, global warming, gay rights etc are very unpopular with young people and educated adults. Those young people are going to grow up and vote. They probably aren't going to become Republicans. That's a serious problem.

oh please like these "young people" are informed enough to have made the decision for themselves... there is a reason for the age of majority.re: #593 albusteve

it's a historical point of contention in the west...city slickers don't understand it...but in this case, it's obvious to shut down potential energy production...just like Boxer closed off the desert in CA to solar

sure we do... they grab our homes all the time for pet projects... ever hear of Robert Moses?

605 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:29:01pm

re: #600 albusteve

try :D

606 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:29:11pm

re: #579 albusteve

yeah, I love that stuff...and there is a ton of it down here..there is a rebuild shop (one of many) down the street, and they put out all their cars in the bright beautiful sun the other day..saw a rare 69 Boss 429 Mustang...like this...

[Link: www.carchaos.com...]

I'm in heaven down here

Lovely, just lovely.

607 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:29:24pm

Dems to treat Tea Partiers like the poorly informed stooges that they are....

Democrats plan hospitable greeting for Tea Partiers

Tea Partiers are storming the Capitol tomorrow, and Democrats are preapring to roll out the red carpet.

In a memo sent to freshman and sophomore lawmakers, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), a member of the House leadership, urges lawmakers to make special accomodations to prepare for the protesters, ranging from refreshments to extra staff members.
....
But lawmakers and their staff should also understand that the tea partiers are reacting merely to a "caricature of the reform bill presented by right-wing media outlets" and aren't intimately familiar with the legislation, the memo says.

"[D]on't assume common myths about this bill have been debunked," lawmakers are told. "Be prepared to explain that there are no death panels, that Medicare is in fact strengthened, and that reform is not a government take-over, but it is an attempt to crack down on the abusive practices of health insurance companies by providing oversight and increasing competition."

Heh.

608 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:29:42pm

re: #581 albusteve

where are you?

Los Angeles, Cherry GT500 was in Santa Barbara.

609 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:30:00pm

re: #595 ausador

Go blow yourself

610 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:30:02pm

re: #594 windsagio

US aid to Israel (and Egypt) is tied into the Camp David accords. The agreement resulted in the United States committing to several billion dollars worth of annual subsidies to the governments of both Israel and Egypt. The aid is a mixture of grants and aid packages committed to purchasing U.S. materiel.

611 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:30:50pm

re: #595 ausador

At what point do we decide that Israel has just told us to go blow ourselves?

Seemingly they crossed that line quite a while ago yet still receive billions from the USA in military aid.

So any President that even tries to get them to abide by the treaty restrictions that they previously signed with us on new settlements is anti-Semitic?

During the Bush "war on terror" no one here had any right to tell them that anything they were doing was wrong. Some seem to be saying that even now we still don't?

I support Israel, but only to a point, their population increase does not support their territorial increases. Sure the "end times" people both Christian and Jewish support it, but theology is not a basis for sound legislation.

Genuine questions:
1) What treaty restrictions about new settlements are you referring to?
2) Who here is saying the administration is anti-semitic?

I agree with your final paragraph =)

612 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:30:52pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

I doubt Bush cares much. However Republicans should care. Why do young people and teachers like Democrats and think Republicans are uncool idiots? Republican policies against education, science, global warming, gay rights etc are very unpopular with young people and educated adults. Those young people are going to grow up and vote. They probably aren't going to become Republicans. That's a serious problem.

you're getting sucked in deeper and deeper bro...

613 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:30:58pm

re: #602 windsagio

I find that deeply offensive. Comparing the Gorillaz to the Archies is... well its awful!

-1 point :P

DAMN YOOOOOU! One two three four, I declare DING WAR! :p

614 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:31:11pm

re: #601 Guanxi88

She was her daddy's favorite, though, and so when he died, everyone was in for quite a shock. She owns about 8 blocks of PRIME Taipei real estate.

He knew no one would marry her, and knew his other children wouldn't treat her right when he was gone, so he made provision for her. A good and humane man, and a great father.


everyone loves a happy ending. thanks.

615 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:31:12pm

re: #610 MJ

See, that's some useful information :D

I'll look up the accords, I wonder if the aid was perpetual.

616 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:31:51pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

I doubt Bush cares much. However Republicans should care. Why do young people and teachers like Democrats and think Republicans are uncool idiots? Republican policies against education, science, global warming, gay rights etc are very unpopular with young people and educated adults. Those young people are going to grow up and vote. They probably aren't going to become Republicans. That's a serious problem.

The GOP will never get youth and teachers on their side, that's just a fact...and that's even if the GOP dis-owned their crazy right wing with totally centrist platform. But you're right - the GOP is becoming more marginal at the moment with this right-ward spasm. But as the population changes, so will the GOP. That's a long term trend.

617 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:31:54pm

re: #604 brookly red


oh please like these "young people" are informed enough to have made the decision for themselves.


Sorry but Republicans have a serious image problem especially with young people. Conservatism isn't going to become cool all by itself. Perhaps embracing policies that young people like might be a good idea.

618 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:32:02pm

re: #614 The Shadow Do

everyone loves a happy ending. thanks.

Yeah, the General (the father of the clan) was an odd duck, and he loved "his little mouse" and knew to take care of her.

His other kids? They got nada, and he made a point to tell them all why in his will.

619 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:32:13pm

re: #607 Killgore Trout

Dems to treat Tea Partiers like the poorly informed stooges that they are...

Democrats plan hospitable greeting for Tea Partiers

Heh.

That's actually a good idea. A 'turn-the-other-cheek' response would actually have a good chance of defusing hostility. And if it does not, then the teabaggers just end up looking butthurt.

620 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:32:18pm

re: #613 iceweasel

haha sorry, but c'mon. THE ARCHIES?

Demon Days is my favorite album of the last 15 years, so that comparison simply cannot stand.

Plastic Beach is a solid B- in my book tho'.

621 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:32:52pm

re: #595 ausador


So any President that even tries to get them to abide by the treaty restrictions that they previously signed with us on new settlements is anti-Semitic?

What treaty are you talking about.
Who brought up antisemitism besides you?

622 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:33:19pm

re: #616 kingkenrod

But as the population changes, so will the GOP. That's a long term trend.


Good point. They will eventually have to change.

623 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:33:38pm

re: #603 Floral Giraffe

You'd look GOOD driving that car!

I agree

624 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:33:41pm

re: #617 Killgore Trout

Sorry but Republicans have a serious image problem especially with young people. Conservatism isn't going to become cool all by itself. Perhaps embracing policies that young people like might be a good idea.

most young people don't like being born into debt... just a thought.

625 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:33:44pm

re: #621 MJ

See my 611 =P

626 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:33:45pm

re: #622 Killgore Trout

Good point. They will eventually have to change.

They could pull a Whig, but I admit that's not likely :P

627 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:34:02pm

Hoops, you still here? Sent you an email.

628 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:34:26pm

re: #617 Killgore Trout

Sorry but Republicans have a serious image problem especially with young people. Conservatism isn't going to become cool all by itself. Perhaps embracing policies that young people like might be a good idea.

So it has been, so it shall always be

629 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:34:38pm

re: #602 windsagio

I find that deeply offensive. Comparing the Gorillaz to the Archies is... well its awful!

-1 point :P

Oh come on - I know the Archies were awesome but I see in Gorillaz some of that same magic. I think they have real potential :D

630 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:35:06pm

re: #627 iceweasel

Hoops, you still here? Sent you an email.

Just checked the Blackberry ..No email Ice

631 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:35:06pm

re: #617 Killgore Trout

Sorry but Republicans have a serious image problem especially with young people. Conservatism isn't going to become cool all by itself. Perhaps embracing policies that young people like might be a good idea.

btw, how old are you to speak of what young people like?

632 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:35:06pm

re: #591 bratwurst

I respect your right to be outraged, but I honestly do not see such a dramatic difference from previous administrations in the big picture. If you remove the 3 years following 9/11 (which, of course, you can't) the difference goes from small to microscopic.

I don't get all caught up with that comparison stuff...I live in the here and now

633 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:35:16pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

That's actually a good idea. A 'turn-the-other-cheek' response would actually have a good chance of defusing hostility. And if it does not, then the teabaggers just end up looking butthurt.

I think it's also an extension of Obama's tactic on the televised healthcare discussions. The Republicans came off looking really bad by sticking to dishonest talking points. It isn't going to change the Tea Partiers minds but it plays well with the public.

634 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:35:41pm

re: #629 Jimmah

Ass :p

At least do Josie and the Pussycats.

635 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:35:44pm

re: #595 ausador

At what point do we decide that Israel has just told us to go blow ourselves?

Seemingly they crossed that line quite a while ago yet still receive billions from the USA in military aid.

So any President that even tries to get them to abide by the treaty restrictions that they previously signed with us on new settlements is anti-Semitic?

During the Bush "war on terror" no one here had any right to tell them that anything they were doing was wrong. Some seem to be saying that even now we still don't?

I support Israel, but only to a point, their population increase does not support their territorial increases. Sure the "end times" people both Christian and Jewish support it, but theology is not a basis for sound legislation.

The problem is not Israel building houses for Jews on disputed territory. The problem is the refusal of the Arab world to accept Israel on any territory. Once we get past that hump we can quibble about where Jews are allowed to build houses and which areas must remain Jew-free.

636 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:37:08pm

re: #635 Alouette

The problem is not Israel building houses for Jews on disputed territory. The problem is the refusal of the Arab world to accept Israel on any territory. Once we get past that hump we can quibble about where Jews are allowed to build houses and which areas must remain Jew-free.

jew free? not something I am ready to negotiate.

637 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:37:09pm

Songs from Thomas the Train stick in your head like crazy. AAAARRRRGGGGG make it stop!

638 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:37:34pm

re: #635 Alouette

That attitude is a big problem. Like it or not the problem isn't entirely on the arab (or Palestinian even) side, and thinking that way is actively harmful.


~The recent Biden Visit Kerfluffle shows a bit of this.

639 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:37:56pm

re: #615 windsagio

See, that's some useful information :D

I'll look up the accords, I wonder if the aid was perpetual.

No, aid is not perpetual though it may seem that way. Actually, there have been a number of studies on how aid gets passed thru the Congress. Because aid to Israel has been non-controversial, State has found it useful to attach other aid bills to it knowing those too would pass.
By the way, the entire amount of debt owed by Egypt was forgiven by the first President Bush as a reward for Egypt joining the the first Gulf War coalition.

640 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:00pm

re: #632 albusteve

I don't get all caught up with that comparison stuff...I live in the here and now

So I will take your word for it that you were similarly outraged over the Bush I approach to the region.

641 DaddyLawBucks  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:03pm

Thank you for an educational read, it's off to dinner for me.

642 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:11pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

That's actually a good idea. A 'turn-the-other-cheek' response would actually have a good chance of defusing hostility. And if it does not, then the teabaggers just end up looking butthurt.

Agreed. Also, I think the majority of the teabaggers aren't being consciously evil. They're very afraid and very angry and they've been successfully and cynically manipulated by others.

It's possible that reason and explaining basic facts to them might sway some of them. (unless they're wholly given over to conspiracy theories and simply can't be reassured).

I just remember all those seniors at townhalls, shaking and breaking down in tears about how they don't want gubbmint in their medicare. It makes me angry and sad every time I think about it.

643 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:44pm

re: #595 ausador

At what point do we decide that Israel has just told us to go blow ourselves?

Seemingly they crossed that line quite a while ago yet still receive billions from the USA in military aid.

So any President that even tries to get them to abide by the treaty restrictions that they previously signed with us on new settlements is anti-Semitic?

During the Bush "war on terror" no one here had any right to tell them that anything they were doing was wrong. Some seem to be saying that even now we still don't?

I support Israel, but only to a point, their population increase does not support their territorial increases. Sure the "end times" people both Christian and Jewish support it, but theology is not a basis for sound legislation.

Please, you want to see what that region would look like without Israel? God forbid? You think Iraq, Afghanistan, even Pakistan is bad. My goodness.

This has nothing to do with religious zealots. Well not Christian or Jewish religious zealots anyway. And it's not about anti-Semitism. It's about the only bastion of democracy in a sea of 1st century thinking.

Do I have to list the countless number of things that Israel has given to this world in medicine, agriculture, military, computer technology, bio technology, the list is too large. Should we give money to Israel? Is this a question to ask?

644 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:44pm

re: #630 HoosierHoops

Just checked the Blackberry ..No email Ice

Hmmm, keep looking. Stupid gmail!

I'll resend.

645 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:50pm

re: #608 Floral Giraffe

Los Angeles, Cherry GT500 was in Santa Barbara.

southern CA and NM are joined at the hip vintage car wise...alot of stuff made here goes back there...I know this for a fact

646 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:38:51pm

re: #624 brookly red

most young people don't like being born into debt... just a thought.

Agreed, and that's the strongest card the GOP can play. And they should play it aggressively. Lower emphasis of culture war issues and hammer Obama for economic illiteracy. Especially this year, it should work.

647 compound idaho  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:39:15pm

re: #628 The Shadow Do

The young eventually grow up. Well most do.

648 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:39:22pm

Steeeeve!

You were gonna tell me why Israel deserves to be treated differently than Canada!


I'm getting sad waiting :(

649 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:39:28pm

re: #633 Killgore Trout

I think it's also an extension of Obama's tactic on the televised healthcare discussions. The Republicans came off looking really bad by sticking to dishonest talking points. It isn't going to change the Tea Partiers minds but it plays well with the public.

a whole lot of the public if you care to look :)

650 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:39:38pm

re: #633 Killgore Trout

I think it's also an extension of Obama's tactic on the televised healthcare discussions. The Republicans came off looking really bad by sticking to dishonest talking points. It isn't going to change the Tea Partiers minds but it plays well with the public.

Hahaha. Amazing how polarized things are. You say, "came off looking really bad" so matter of factly. GOP pundits do likewise about Obama. "This was clearly a mistake for Obama". Fun times.

651 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:40:59pm

re: #638 windsagio

That attitude is a big problem. Like it or not the problem isn't entirely on the arab (or Palestinian even) side, and thinking that way is actively harmful.

~The recent Biden Visit Kerfluffle shows a bit of this.

The problem is 99.99%on the Palestinian side, thanks to the Arab world which has been using the Palestinians as their rabid attack dogs for the past 62 years.

No concessions that Israel makes will bring them any closer to peace until this fundamental issue is addressed.

652 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41:15pm

re: #648 windsagio

Steeeve!

You were gonna tell me why Israel deserves to be treated differently than Canada!

I'm getting sad waiting :(

I don't presume to speak for him, but I imagine a big part of why one might view Israel a bit differently might be that other states - say, Canada, Germany, France, etc., are NOT surrounded by nations dedicated to the extermination of their population on theological grounds.

It's one approach.

653 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41:34pm

re: #597 Jimmah

For iceweasel : Gorillaz musical predecessors "The Archies" with "Sugar Sugar"

[Video]

I prefer their more obscure, cerebral album tracks:

654 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:42:09pm

re: #651 Alouette

That's a substantially exaggerated view :P

But, I suspect I'm not gonna be able to convince anybody here of that, so I'm willing to let it go.

655 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:42:25pm

re: #651 Alouette

The problem is 99.99%on the Palestinian side, thanks to the Arab world which has been using the Palestinians as their rabid attack dogs for the past 62 years.

No concessions that Israel makes will bring them any closer to peace until this fundamental issue is addressed.

Agreed. If the Arabs abandoned their irredentism, the problem would be resolved within a month.

656 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:42:38pm

re: #638 windsagio

That attitude is a big problem. Like it or not the problem isn't entirely on the arab (or Palestinian even) side, and thinking that way is actively harmful.

~The recent Biden Visit Kerfluffle shows a bit of this.

I'd agree that this thinking is a problem mostly because it completely ignores Arab thinking and sensitivities... but it is not repugnant or wrong in and of itself is it?

657 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:42:39pm

re: #650 cliffster

Hahaha. Amazing how polarized things are. You say, "came off looking really bad" so matter of factly. GOP pundits do likewise about Obama. "This was clearly a mistake for Obama". Fun times.

well, we could just vote on it...

now, today in plain sight in broad day light....

well I can dream.

658 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:42:49pm

re: #652 Guanxi88

So then is it the US's responsibility to preserve the state of Israel?

They do seem to be doing pretty well :P

659 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:43:03pm

re: #654 windsagio

That's a substantially exaggerated view :P

But, I suspect I'm not gonna be able to convince anybody here of that, so I'm willing to let it go.

OK 99.9%

660 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:43:24pm

re: #617 Killgore Trout

Sorry but Republicans have a serious image problem especially with young people. Conservatism isn't going to become cool all by itself. Perhaps embracing policies that young people like might be a good idea.

conservatism is dead as any influence?...okay, move on...if a conservative can forfeit their principles because of the demise of the GOP, it was meaningless anyway....it's just a game KT, and you are playing it, and not all that well

661 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:43:46pm

re: #656 Joo-LiZ

I didn't say 'wrong' I said 'problematic' and 'harmful' :p

662 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:43:50pm

I have a question on this Toyota runaway thing-Has anyone tried to see exactly how interrelated the data gathering and command and control code is? What is the OS like? I'd love to see a link on that software.

663 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:43:56pm

re: #645 albusteve

southern CA and NM are joined at the hip vintage car wise...alot of stuff made here goes back there...I know this for a fact

Heh! And a lot of stuff here, goes back there!
Nice selection of early '70's Corvettes on the street today.
Vroom!

664 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:43:58pm

re: #658 windsagio

So then is it the US's responsibility to preserve the state of Israel?

They do seem to be doing pretty well :P

Eh, Nixie gave them a nice assist there once, and, frankly, we are the closest thing Israel has to a good neighbor in the region.

Still, all things being equal, I'd rather we didn't have to engage in these regular Kabuki performances and let the parties settle things among themselves.

665 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:44:10pm

re: #634 windsagio

Ass :p

At least do Josie and the Pussycats.

Never seen/heard that before. Looks...groovy though :) I've noticed that American kids programmes always seem to strive for 'hipness'. Unlike British kids programmes - like this one from the 70's:

666 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:44:22pm

re: #658 windsagio

So then is it the US's responsibility to preserve the state of Israel?

They do seem to be doing pretty well :P

my fear is that we will leave them to their own (nuclear) devices...

667 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:44:48pm

re: #644 iceweasel

Hmmm, keep looking. Stupid gmail!

I'll resend.

Holy crap..Mt Blackberry radio was off...Crap..Here comes a 1000 emails..
The emails are coming in like a video game right now..
Thanks Ice...I don't know what happened tonight

669 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:45:03pm

re: #664 Guanxi88

Oh wow, +1000!

670 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:45:22pm

re: #631 brookly red

btw, how old are you to speak of what young people like?

heh...

671 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:45:29pm

re: #662 Rightwingconspirator

Toyota couldn't replicate the runaway Prius.
Maybe a fame seeker?

672 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:45:36pm

re: #661 windsagio

I didn't say 'wrong' I said 'problematic' and 'harmful' :p

Yes. Which is why I said I agreed.

I was specifically asking if it was 'wrong'.

I think you COULD characterize many of the 'harmful' 'problematic' actions by the Palestinians/Arabs as being inherently repugnant in and of themselves.

Like honoring Dalal Mughrabi (of coastal road massacre fame) by naming a square after her, for one.

673 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:45:43pm

re: #665 Jimmah

That may have been a time when the culture was struggling for coolness. The cartoon just points it out.

674 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:45:47pm

re: #665 Jimmah

I love Josie and the Pussycats. :)

675 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:46:08pm

re: #666 brookly red

haha, good point :P

re: #665 Jimmah

one of my saved wikilinks: 100 greatest kids shows as per channel 4. Good youtube fodder >>

676 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:46:29pm

re: #672 Joo-LiZ

Yes. Which is why I said I agreed.

I was specifically asking if it was 'wrong'.

I think you COULD characterize many of the 'harmful' 'problematic' actions by the Palestinians/Arabs as being inherently repugnant in and of themselves.

Like honoring Dalal Mughrabi (of coastal road massacre fame) by naming a square after her, for one.

Quite Concur.

677 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:47:33pm

re: #671 Floral Giraffe

They can't replicate any one them outside of the floormats. What should we gather from that? Its all a myth? Including the post recall cars?

678 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:47:40pm

re: #653 The Sanity Inspector

I prefer their more obscure, cerebral album tracks:


[Video]

They kinda lost me when they got into all that conceptual shit./

679 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:48:07pm

re: #648 windsagio

Steeeve!

You were gonna tell me why Israel deserves to be treated differently than Canada!

I'm getting sad waiting :(

I said I couldn't...you are making stuff up again

680 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:48:07pm

re: #671 Floral Giraffe

Toyota couldn't replicate the runaway Prius.
Maybe a fame seeker?

When I heard the story, I immediately thought of the folk who cram dead mice into beer bottles trying to make a quick buck.

681 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:48:17pm

re: #672 Joo-LiZ

That's like implying that the wrong thinking on the part of terrorists justifies on our part thinking that hurts us.

682 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #679 albusteve

I have faith in you, you should have more faith in yourself :(

683 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:49:30pm

re: #680 Guanxi88

When I heard the story, I immediately thought of the folk who cram dead mice into beer bottles trying to make a quick buck.

Didn't some lady put a finger in her fries to get money from Wendy's? Am I imagining hearing that?

684 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:50:06pm

re: #650 cliffster

Hahaha. Amazing how polarized things are. You say, "came off looking really bad" so matter of factly. GOP pundits do likewise about Obama. "This was clearly a mistake for Obama". Fun times.

indeed, just turn a blind eye to the farce of an administration we have and pound the GOP...and now conservatives in general...kinda phony if you ask me...good entertainment tho!

685 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:50:10pm
re: #595 ausador
I support Israel, but only to a point, their population increase does not support their territorial increases.

What the fuck are you talking about?

686 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:50:17pm

In Israel, in order to be a realist, you must believe in miracles.
-- David Ben-Gurion, comment on CBS-TV, 5 October 1956

Anywhere else I am at the mercy of the government. It is very simple. I want to be in a country where I can defend myself when I am attacked.
-- Ada Sereni, in James McNeish, _Belonging_, 1980

687 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:50:32pm

re: #683 cliffster

Didn't some lady put a finger in her fries to get money from Wendy's? Am I imagining hearing that?

Chili - I think it was their chili.

688 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:50:35pm

re: #655 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. If the Arabs abandoned their irredentism, the problem would be resolved within a month.

There is only one way to break the logjam on this issue. The United States needs to declare that until the neighboring Arab countrys accept Israel as a neighbor there will be no further conversation.

This will never happen of course. Spurious in the extreme.

Even a hint of this idea is unacceptable in the world today.

689 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:50:44pm

[Link: www.insideline.com...]

YONKERS, New York — Toyota and Lexus models for 2008 account for more than 40 percent of sudden acceleration complaints filed by consumers with the federal government, a new study released on Monday by Consumer Reports said.
SNIP

690 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:51:47pm

re: #670 albusteve

heh...

well I work in advertising & marketing & I always get a kick out of some one with grandchildren pontificating about what young people like...

691 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:51:54pm

re: #654 windsagio

That's a substantially exaggerated view :P

But, I suspect I'm not gonna be able to convince anybody here of that, so I'm willing to let it go.

well, don't deny us you towering geopolitical intellect...we'll listen

692 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:52:14pm

re: #671 Floral Giraffe

This one guy might be fame seeking but we have a lot of incidents. How open is that code? I know there are aftermarket chips for air/fuel management.

693 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:52:16pm

re: #691 albusteve

If you're sure its okay...

694 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:52:19pm

re: #609 The Shadow Do

Sure go ahead, downding me for telling the honest truth, anything that anyone says about Israel gets distorted by peoples deeply held convictions regardless of the actual truth. So what?

Israel is a beautiful and prosperous country and there is no reason that it cannot continue to prosper with our support against it's enemies. Except perhaps for the excesses of it's religious extremists that seemingly believe that without our help and limitations they would be fulfilling biblical prophecies that must faster.

Again, fanatical belief in religious prophecies are an extremely poor basis for legislation...

695 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:52:34pm

re: #677 Rightwingconspirator

They can't replicate any one them outside of the floormats. What should we gather from that? Its all a myth? Including the post recall cars?

I don't know. Some time & testing will eventually get to the bottom of the problem. My Highlander had a brake sensor fail at 15,000 miles. Dealer had never seen one fail. It wasn't under warranty, but they replaced it for FREE, if I'd give them the failed sensor to study.
I was raised a Ford gal, but have evolved into a Toyota fan, based on the quality. Current recalls, not withstanding!

696 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:52:39pm

re: #667 HoosierHoops

Holy crap..Mt Blackberry radio was off...Crap..Here comes a 1000 emails..
The emails are coming in like a video game right now..
Thanks Ice...I don't know what happened tonight

I've put the Blackberry on the table..Hundreds of messages are coming through cause somehow the radio turned off..
So every couple seconds you get a buzz in your side...I jump..I'm over it..Buzz on the coffee table! When It stops I'll read my email...

697 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:53:09pm

re: #684 albusteve

Sorry but easily debunked talking points about Death Panels and that the CBO says that reform will increase premiums are easy to check. It doesn't look good that Republicans still cling to dishonest arguments against reform.

698 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #648 windsagio

Steeeve!

You were gonna tell me why Israel deserves to be treated differently than Canada!


I'm getting sad waiting :(

Israel would be happy to be treated just like every other sovereign nation in the world. No better, and no worse.

699 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:53:55pm

re: #687 Guanxi88

Chili - I think it was their chili.

That's it! Crazy story, I remember now. Snopes talks about it. Took the fingertip that her husband's friend had chopped off. That woman was screwed up in the head.

700 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:54:15pm

re: #698 Spare O'Lake

Fun twist of words, are you saying that the US treats Israel worse than we treat any other First World country??

701 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:54:44pm

re: #682 windsagio

I have faith in you, you should have more faith in yourself :(

you're not worth the effort

702 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:55:05pm

re: #695 Floral Giraffe

I had a muscle car runaway on me, scared the hell out of me. I turned the key and shut it down, just was grateful for the vacuum reserve for the brakes. And I knew the steer ing would get difficult. That was straight mechanical, broken motor mount, and a bad linkage to an aftermarket intake system

703 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:55:13pm

re: #700 windsagio

Fun twist of words, are you saying that the US treats Israel worse than we treat any other First World country??

Well, we don't presume to tell the French who can and can't build or live in Paris.

704 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #698 Spare O'Lake

Israel would be happy to be treated just like every other sovereign nation in the world. No better, and no worse.

I wonder how Canada would feel if we demanded they stop building apartments in certain cities?

705 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #694 ausador


That was quite a screed.

Oh, and I did not downding you. I refrain from such behavior as a rule.

706 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:55:30pm

re: #701 albusteve

707 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:55:57pm

re: #703 Guanxi88

How much aid do we give France? (actually I don't know, but I'm betting its not much :p)

708 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:56:07pm

re: #704 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder how Canada would feel if we demanded they stop building apartments in certain cities?

Like Ottawa. Or even Montreal.

709 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:56:21pm

re: #707 windsagio

How much aid do we give France? (actually I don't know, but I'm betting its not much :p)

There's a cemetery full of aid at Normandy.

710 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:56:33pm

re: #688 The Shadow Do

There is only one way to break the logjam on this issue. The United States needs to declare that until the neighboring Arab countrys accept Israel as a neighbor there will be no further conversation.

This will never happen of course. Spurious in the extreme.

Even a hint of this idea is unacceptable in the world today.

too much money involved....the dead end peace trip in the ME is a multi million dollar racket

711 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:56:51pm

re: #709 Guanxi88

There's a cemetery full of aid at Normandy.

Updinged for being very well said.

712 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:56:58pm

re: #707 windsagio

How much aid do we give France? (actually I don't know, but I'm betting its not much :p)

Does giving money to a country give us the right to tell them where they are allowed to live in their own country?

713 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:57:44pm

re: #709 Guanxi88

zing!

We can't withhold that aid tho'.

My whole point is that the 'we give you money and try to influence your policies' isn't different in any real way from any other diplomacy.

Actually it is different, because they feel mostly free to ignore our requests and just take the money.

714 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:57:54pm

re: #707 windsagio

How much aid do we give France? (actually I don't know, but I'm betting its not much :p)

what a stupid comment...please

715 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:08pm

re: #694 ausador

Sure go ahead, downding me for telling the honest truth, anything that anyone says about Israel gets distorted by peoples deeply held convictions regardless of the actual truth. So what?

Israel is a beautiful and prosperous country and there is no reason that it cannot continue to prosper with our support against it's enemies. Except perhaps for the excesses of it's religious extremists that seemingly believe that without our help and limitations they would be fulfilling biblical prophecies that must faster.

Again, fanatical belief in religious prophecies are an extremely poor basis for legislation...


I did not agree with much of your previous post, but there is nothing I can disagree with here.

716 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:10pm

re: #709 Guanxi88

There's a cemetery full of aid at Normandy.

The ultimate aid we could give to any country.

717 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:14pm

re: #712 NJDhockeyfan

If they want to keep getting the aid, sure :P

718 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:17pm

re: #710 albusteve

too much money involved...the dead end peace trip in the ME is a multi million dollar racket

A lot of diplomacy is a racket. The problem with appointing people exclusively to solve a certain problem is that those people won't have a job if the problem really gets solved. Typical government screw-around.

719 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:20pm

Hey Lizards!

Actually, I thought that video was f*cking awesome! It even might have been awesome without Bruce.

How are you-all this evening?

720 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:49pm

re: #675 windsagio

haha, good point :P

well if you think about it what would the Israelis do if all of a sudden they got jumped (again) by half the Arab world? I don't think it would be to build houses on their own land... it might be something more, uhhh, unpleasantre: #704 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder how Canada would feel if we demanded they stop building apartments in certain cities?

.
Canada has no nukes :)

721 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:58:54pm

re: #718 Dark_Falcon

Well its not like we'd fire all the diplomats if we had world peace :P

722 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:59:34pm

re: #709 Guanxi88

Kudos for a great effing point!! (and 1 up)

723 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:59:44pm

re: #712 NJDhockeyfan

Does giving money to a country give us the right to tell them where they are allowed to live in their own country?

Well, if those were the strings attached to the money...

724 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:00:05pm

re: #720 brookly red

Canada used to, they were made in the US tho :P

725 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:00:10pm

Diplomacy? It's a shell game.
;)

726 Racer X  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:00:12pm

re: #702 Rightwingconspirator

I had a muscle car runaway on me, scared the hell out of me. I turned the key and shut it down, just was grateful for the vacuum reserve for the brakes. And I knew the steer ing would get difficult. That was straight mechanical, broken motor mount, and a bad linkage to an aftermarket intake system

Heh. I had a VW bug get a stuck throttle. I just turned the key off. took me about 2 seconds to realize what was going on. No power brakes or steering. Not a problem.

727 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:01:34pm

re: #723 freetoken

Well, if those were the strings attached to the money...

We'd be knaves for offering it, and they'd be fools for accepting it.

728 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:01:48pm

re: #712 NJDhockeyfan

What borders do you consider legit? The settlements are not in Israel proper, they are in the most disputed areas. If we had any disputed borders, the other country would surely object to construction.

729 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:02:05pm

re: #727 Guanxi88

I hate to depress you, but it happens all the freakin' time :P

730 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:02:37pm

re: #728 Rightwingconspirator

What borders do you consider legit? The settlements are not in Israel proper, they are in the most disputed areas. If we had any disputed borders, the other country would surely object to construction.

remember the Alamo...

731 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:02:56pm

re: #729 windsagio

I hate to depress you, but it happens all the freakin' time :P

Hell, nothing can ruin my good mood these days. As I said, Kabuki theatre; that's all this is.

732 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:03:07pm

re: #726 Racer X

I forgot to point out my runaway was my own damn fault. But maybe folks that have tinkered are more likely to think fast enough to shut it down safely.

733 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:03:26pm

re: #731 Guanxi88

//

Wait, are you a freakin' Isolationist!!!?

734 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:03:44pm

re: #718 Dark_Falcon

A lot of diplomacy is a racket. The problem with appointing people exclusively to solve a certain problem is that those people won't have a job if the problem really gets solved. Typical government screw-around.

the people who want peace in the ME are probably outnumbered 1000 to 1...it's and industry now, there are fortunes being made...and the people, outside of Israel, want peace for their own glory, it's a huge prize...so fuck Israel and force them into a dangerous compromise...it's despicable and BO has fallen into the same cesspool...just another opportunist, like he could give a shit otherwise....gimme a break, let's be honest here

735 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:03:53pm

Ice Got your email..Not going to reply on the BB tonight.. I'll talk to you after my first cups of Kona Coffee in the morning..
I could not agree more with you.. I got a couple of stories for ya..

736 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:03:53pm

re: #697 Killgore Trout

Sorry but easily debunked talking points about Death Panels and that the CBO says that reform will increase premiums are easy to check. It doesn't look good that Republicans still cling to dishonest arguments against reform.

It's all talking points, dude. Republicans have theirs, Democrats have their own. Comically, a lot of the Democrats' points is talking about the Republicans'. Lately, it seems their own real defense of their bill is that the Republicans are obstructing it.

737 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:04:18pm

re: #730 brookly red

If you ask the cartel, our border ranches are their stealth routes in or else. Ranchers get the money or the worst imaginable.

738 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:04:50pm

re: #733 windsagio

//

Wait, are you a freakin' Isolationist!!!?

Nope, just a realist. History tells me that you can keep a lid on a war for quite some time, but, eventually, the parties will slug it out, no matter what anyone standing on the side has to say about it.

I'd rather they didn't, but it seems inevitable. And I'm glad to be here, and pray for ALL those who are there, 'cause the longer it festers, the worse it will be.

739 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:04:55pm

re: #735 HoosierHoops

Ice Got your email..Not going to reply on the BB tonight.. I'll talk to you after my first cups of Kona Coffee in the morning..
I could not agree more with you.. I got a couple of stories for ya..

Cool Hoops. Thanks so much, in advance.

740 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:04:57pm

re: #730 brookly red

remember the Alamo...

right on bro

741 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:05:03pm

re: #734 albusteve

I suspect you're confusing your emotions for reason, friend :p

742 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:05:52pm

re: #737 Rightwingconspirator

If you ask the cartel, our border ranches are their stealth routes in or else. Ranchers get the money or the worst imaginable.

nothing a few platoons of regulars couldn't fix...

743 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:05:57pm

re: #741 windsagio

I suspect you're confusing your emotions for reason, friend :p

You still got that Sarah Palin avatar.

744 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:05:59pm
745 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:05:59pm

re: #635 Alouette

The problem is not Israel building houses for Jews on disputed territory. The problem is the refusal of the Arab world to accept Israel on any territory. Once we get past that hump we can quibble about where Jews are allowed to build houses and which areas must remain Jew-free.

There is no area on earth that should be "Jew Free" although people seemingly updinged you for that sort of "feel good" slogan. Bahh...thats sickening, you know who else I could name who wanted areas of europe to be "jew free?"

Your taking a simple problem, what are arab lands and what are Israeli lands and basically saying that any lands the Israeli's say are theirs should be, and without question. Fine, many people seem to believe that, but I do not, I believe they have to eventually work out a solution with the Palestinians.

Since the surrounding arab countries will not let Palestinians permanently settle and have kept them refugees for 40+ years it seems that only the Israeli's will be able to end this.

746 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:05:59pm

re: #730 brookly red

remember the Alamo...

(sorry I have to)

We demand the right to hold slaves! If you refuse us this right, it's WAR!

747 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:07:02pm

re: #743 Walter L. Newton

I can change it, but the next one won't be any better :p

PS: I'm working my way through that Left Behind reading blog, its breaking my soul. So depressing!

748 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:07:16pm

re: #745 ausador

There is no area on earth that should be "Jew Free" although people seemingly updinged you for that sort of "feel good" slogan. Bahh...thats sickening, you know who else I could name who wanted areas of europe to be "jew free?"

Your taking a simple problem, what are arab lands and what are Israeli lands and basically saying that any lands the Israeli's say are theirs should be, and without question. Fine, many people seem to believe that, but I do not, I believe they have to eventually work out a solution with the Palestinians.

Since the surrounding arab countries will not let Palestinians permanently settle and have kept them refugees for 40+ years it seems that only the Israeli's will be able to end this.

When you find some Palestinians that want to work something out, get back to us.

749 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:07:24pm

re: #746 windsagio

(sorry I have to)

We demand the right to hold slaves! If you refuse us this right, it's WAR!

I don't see it that way...

750 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:07:41pm

re: #747 windsagio

I can change it, but the next one won't be any better :p

PS: I'm working my way through that Left Behind reading blog, its breaking my soul. So depressing!

Huh, it makes me laugh.
:evilgrin:

751 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:07:55pm

A friend just e-mailed about Israel... we've been having a big back and forth about the I-P conflict in general.

He specifically asked if I thought that the statement "Israel has always had a strong commitment to peace" was something most pro-Israel advocates held to be true.

It got me to thinking... while I think that IS something most advocates hold to be true, I think it is slightly mistaken.

Israel has always had a strong commitment to the security of its citizens. So long as Israel thinks peace (as in an "agreement") will secure them, they will support "peace". If they don't believe "peace" is likely, they are far less interested in coming to a compromise, their "enemies" be damned.

What do the other Lizards here think?

752 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:07:59pm

re: #747 windsagio

I can change it, but the next one won't be any better :p

PS: I'm working my way through that Left Behind reading blog, its breaking my soul. So depressing!

What? You mean the thread where the Left Behind books came up and the discussion of the Rapture?

753 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:08:13pm

re: #746 windsagio

(sorry I have to)

We demand the right to hold slaves! If you refuse us this right, it's WAR!

another stupid comment...what's that got to do with the Alamo?....don't bother to answer, it's apparent you know little of Texas history

754 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:08:38pm

re: #726 Racer X

Heh. I guess that guy was lucky it was a Prius. 92 must have been top speed.
Now this is a fast Toyota [Link: www.usatoday.com...]

755 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:08:45pm

re: #710 albusteve

too much money involved...the dead end peace trip in the ME is a multi million dollar racket

One President with one backbone could be a game changer. I am in sales. As a big, big customer, the US carries a big, big hammer. How long, after the US cuts off ME purchases of oil pendant on recognition of Israel, will it be before the major oil companies turn their attentioin to supplying the US from other sources? The ME will continue to ship oil to Europe, china, etc of course. But it is a mistake to think that we would suddenly become oil starved.

Game changer.

Never happen.

How much do we import from the ME? 12% I think.

756 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:08:50pm

re: #496 brainiac-dumdum

Right, sorry, I remember now. Apologies-- gender isn't the most important thing to me.

Welcome to LGF! I think you'll find it a lot more troll-free than Fark.

757 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:08:53pm

Iran takes down human rights websites – accuses them of espionage

The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) announced that its cyber teams hacked 29 websites linked to US espionage. In addition, 30 people were arrested on charges of waging a US-backed cyber war. Translation: These sites help dissidents so we took them down.

The official IRNA news agency reports that a number of organized “US-backed war networks” were broken, and 30 people were arrested in connection to the takedown.

The IRNA cited a statement from the Tehran Public and Revolutionary Prosecutor Office, which ties the sites to a CIA operation launched in 2006, operating on a budget of $400 million USD, designed to “destabilize Iran” by working with “elements of anti-revolutionary [groups] like MKO (Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization), monarchists and others…”

758 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:09:33pm

re: #753 albusteve

another stupid comment...what's that got to do with the Alamo?...don't bother to answer, it's apparent you know little of Texas history

the blame America first crowd...

759 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:09:39pm

re: #746 windsagio

(sorry I have to)

We demand the right to hold slaves! If you refuse us this right, it's WAR!

What does that even mean? Quite the button-pushing mood we're in tonight, aren't we windsagio?

760 darthstar  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:09:43pm

re: #732 Rightwingconspirator

I forgot to point out my runaway was my own damn fault. But maybe folks that have tinkered are more likely to think fast enough to shut it down safely.

I had a runaway once. I was about six or seven. It was a pony. I got it up to a gallop and it wouldn't stop. Fortunately, an older gal (she was 12) rode up next to me on her horse and got the pony to stop. I was in love.

761 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:09:47pm

re: #749 brookly red

I'm not hugely surprised. You can't deny tho, that one of the causes of the Texas Revolution was that the Mexican government specifically outlawed slavery (interestingly as a way to discourage American immigration)

762 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:10:06pm

re: #739 iceweasel

Cool Hoops. Thanks so much, in advance.

Thank you...If you didn't tell me you sent me an email I would have never checked the BB and found the radio off...Hundreds of emails later...I'm in delete mode right now..*wink*

763 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:10:08pm

re: #755 The Shadow Do

It makes no difference in the US doesn't buy oil directly from the ME. Oil is fungible-- Palin got that part right.

It would make zero difference to the price of oil, so zero difference to the Middle East.

What would make a difference would be if we created more green tech and sold it cheaply to the developing world.

764 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:10:16pm

re: #752 Walter L. Newton

This.

765 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:10:19pm

re: #700 windsagio

Fun twist of words, are you saying that the US treats Israel worse than we treat any other First World country??

I am saying that no sovereign nation in the world would be expected to put up with the endless terror and the genocidal rejection of their right to exist that Israel is required by the rest of the world to tolerate. If Canada, to use your example, was being bombed and attacked by terrorists, would the US tell Canada what it could or could not do? Has the US told the Spanish Government that they must not fight the Basque terrorists and that they must negotiate to give them their own country? Did the US dictate to Great Britain how to deal with the IRA?

766 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:10:43pm

re: #759 cliffster

Truth and justice and all that good stuff.


No seriously, its true :P

767 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:10:46pm

re: #745 ausador

There is no area on earth that should be "Jew Free" although people seemingly updinged you for that sort of "feel good" slogan. Bahh...thats sickening, you know who else I could name who wanted areas of europe to be "jew free?"

Your taking a simple problem, what are arab lands and what are Israeli lands and basically saying that any lands the Israeli's say are theirs should be, and without question. Fine, many people seem to believe that, but I do not, I believe they have to eventually work out a solution with the Palestinians.

Since the surrounding arab countries will not let Palestinians permanently settle and have kept them refugees for 40+ years it seems that only the Israeli's will be able to end this.

IIRC, Palestinians could simply become Israeli Citizens. They had that option at the beginning.

I wish the Palestinians would realize that the rest of the Arab world is not their friend.

768 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:11:28pm

re: #756 Obdicut

Right, sorry, I remember now. Apologies-- gender isn't the most important thing to me.

Welcome to LGF! I think you'll find it a lot more troll-free than Fark.

Coolness. Always happy to see new female posters!

(LGF has a higher percentage of female posters than most political blogs, but female commenters are in general underrepresented in the political blogosphere.)

I guess gender matters to me. heh.

769 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:12:01pm

re: #755 The Shadow Do

But......... but..... it doesn't work like that.

We live in one world, our economies are all linked and intertwined.

We only get a small share of our oil directly from the ME, but our trading partners, upon whom we depend for our well being, are more dependent upon ME oil.

Oil prices have been very solid the past week or so, due to a general uptick in economic activity in Asia, which depends upon ME oil.

770 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:12:13pm

re: #761 windsagio

I'm not hugely surprised. You can't deny tho, that one of the causes of the Texas Revolution was that the Mexican government specifically outlawed slavery (interestingly as a way to discourage American immigration)

Eh, the 1836 constitution did allow slavery, but the 1845 constitution did not.

771 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:12:44pm

re: #770 Guanxi88

I was just reading up on this to make sure I'd remembered right ;)

772 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:10pm

re: #751 Joo-LiZ

A friend just e-mailed about Israel... we've been having a big back and forth about the I-P conflict in general.

He specifically asked if I thought that the statement "Israel has always had a strong commitment to peace" was something most pro-Israel advocates held to be true.

It got me to thinking... while I think that IS something most advocates hold to be true, I think it is slightly mistaken.

Israel has always had a strong commitment to the security of its citizens. So long as Israel thinks peace (as in an "agreement") will secure them, they will support "peace". If they don't believe "peace" is likely, they are far less interested in coming to a compromise, their "enemies" be damned.

What do the other Lizards here think?

I think Israel will do what ever is necessary to secure it's sovereignty. As they should.

773 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:20pm

re: #768 iceweasel

Ladies ROCK.
If I do say so, myself!

774 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:31pm

re: #772 ggt

I think Israel will do what ever is necessary to secure it's sovereignty. As they should.

Quite Concur.

775 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:32pm

re: #765 Spare O'Lake

Did the US dictate to Great Britain how to deal with the IRA?

Um, yes. There was a lot done by the US government in regards to the Troubles. Like the Mitchell report.

Not to mention the IRA got a lot of funding from US sources.

Not really the best example for you to use.

776 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:47pm

re: #761 windsagio

I'm not hugely surprised. You can't deny tho, that one of the causes of the Texas Revolution was that the Mexican government specifically outlawed slavery (interestingly as a way to discourage American immigration)

*Ahem*

What are you smoking?

777 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:13:49pm

re: #771 windsagio

I was just reading up on this to make sure I'd remembered right ;)

Considering how many Native American and African American units fighting in the war for independence - plus the LARGE number of Nortenos involved in the effort, the slavery thing was a bad idea, to say the least.

778 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:14:09pm

re: #757 NJDhockeyfan

Iran takes down human rights websites – accuses them of espionage

One more fork in the back of the head of the opposition. It's over.

779 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:14:22pm

re: #764 windsagio

This.

Looked it over... very quickly... there is not much you can do/say/debate when people are not familiar with the foundational material that they seemingly base their concepts on.

780 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:14:27pm

re: #717 windsagio

If they want to keep getting the aid, sure :P

Well there we have your position.
Idiot.

781 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:14:30pm

Also, walter, for the record, its not supposed to be Palin :P

782 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:14:43pm

re: #745 ausador

There is no area on earth that should be "Jew Free" although people seemingly updinged you for that sort of "feel good" slogan. Bahh...thats sickening, you know who else I could name who wanted areas of europe to be "jew free?"

Your taking a simple problem, what are arab lands and what are Israeli lands and basically saying that any lands the Israeli's say are theirs should be, and without question. Fine, many people seem to believe that, but I do not, I believe they have to eventually work out a solution with the Palestinians.

Since the surrounding arab countries will not let Palestinians permanently settle and have kept them refugees for 40+ years it seems that only the Israeli's will be able to end this.

It isn't about what Israel "says" should be theirs. Germany "said" they wanted all of Europe. That doesn't mean it was rightfully theirs. Israel is not the propagandists in this picture.

Israel has been a Jewish state for many 1000s of years, conquered by others and reconquered by Jews many times over.

783 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:14:46pm

re: #779 Walter L. Newton

Dude, yo'ure the one that linked it to me@!

784 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:15:04pm

re: #761 windsagio

I'm not hugely surprised. You can't deny tho, that one of the causes of the Texas Revolution was that the Mexican government specifically outlawed slavery (interestingly as a way to discourage American immigration)

but the point goes back to "disputed lands" more directly Jerusalem ... personally I don't see any dispute.

785 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:15:08pm

Speaking of economics and society, is this the question many US leaders dare not ask?

What if a college education isn't for everyone?

I for one think we push too many people to go to colleges, which is one reason (greatly increased demand) why college education costs so much.

786 Racer X  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:15:20pm

re: #754 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. I guess that guy was lucky it was a Prius. 92 must have been top speed.
Now this is a fast Toyota [Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Now about them brakes . . . .

787 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:15:37pm

re: #755 The Shadow Do

One President with one backbone could be a game changer. I am in sales. As a big, big customer, the US carries a big, big hammer. How long, after the US cuts off ME purchases of oil pendant on recognition of Israel, will it be before the major oil companies turn their attentioin to supplying the US from other sources? The ME will continue to ship oil to Europe, china, etc of course. But it is a mistake to think that we would suddenly become oil starved.

Game changer.

Never happen.

How much do we import from the ME? 12% I think.

yup, excellent observation...it's all there if we really wanted it that bad, but we don't

788 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:15:39pm

In case anyone missed it earlier... Bibi is NOT backing down over construction in Jerusalem:

“Over the past 40 years, there has not been a government in Israel that agreed to limit building in Jerusalem,” Netanyahu said, ticking off the name of every prime minister since Golda Meir and making a clear reference to the furor over last week’s announced plans to build 1,600 units in Ramat Shlomo, which has triggered harsh censure from the US.

Referring to all the new Jewish neighborhoods built beyond the 1967 borders in Jerusalem, Netanyahu said, “All of our governments built in Gilo, Ramot, Neveh Ya’acov, Ramat Eshkol, French Hill, Pisgat Ze’ev, Ramat Shlomo and elsewhere. Building these Jewish neighborhoods did not harm the Arabs of east Jerusalem in any way and were not built at their expense. Nearly half of the Jewish population in Jerusalem now lives in these neighborhoods. These places are not far away; they are a few minutes’ drive from here. They are less then 6 km. from the Knesset.”

Netanyahu said there was nearly complete agreement in the Knesset that these neighborhoods would remain part of Israel in any final-status peace deal.

“We will continue to maintain Jerusalem as a united city that is open to all religions, in which Jews and Arabs, Christians and Muslims, live side by side in coexistence and enjoy freedom of religion and access to the holy places,” he said.

789 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:15:50pm

re: #778 The Shadow Do

One more fork in the back of the head of the opposition. It's over.

All the outrage is on a few apartments in Israel. Zero outrage on Iranian human rights violations.

790 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:16:13pm

re: #751 Joo-LiZ

A friend just e-mailed about Israel... we've been having a big back and forth about the I-P conflict in general.

He specifically asked if I thought that the statement "Israel has always had a strong commitment to peace" was something most pro-Israel advocates held to be true.

It got me to thinking... while I think that IS something most advocates hold to be true, I think it is slightly mistaken.

Israel has always had a strong commitment to the security of its citizens. So long as Israel thinks peace (as in an "agreement") will secure them, they will support "peace". If they don't believe "peace" is likely, they are far less interested in coming to a compromise, their "enemies" be damned.

What do the other Lizards here think?

I think we as Americans think of a "huggy-kissy peace". Flowers and love and all that. That's why I say, peace will begin as an absence of war and that will be plenty enough to start.

791 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:16:37pm

re: #783 windsagio

Dude, yo'ure the one that linked it to me@!

When? I think that link may have come up during yesterdays discussion about Left Behind and the Rapture, but I never linked it intentionally (maybe it was in a "quoted" comment I responded to). I've never even seen that website until just now.

No problem anyway. That stuff is all fantasy.

792 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:16:48pm

re: #789 NJDhockeyfan

That is such utter feces, I can't believe you typed it.

No outrage over Iranian civil rights abuses? REALLY?!

793 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:16:55pm

re: #758 brookly red

the blame America first crowd...

oblivious...

794 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:17:11pm

re: #791 Walter L. Newton

now I'm confused, oh well :P

795 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:17:22pm

re: #768 iceweasel

Brainiac is good people-- I remember that much.

I think you'll like her a lot.

I really just forget genders. And names.

796 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #789 NJDhockeyfan

All the outrage is on a few apartments in Israel. Zero outrage on Iranian human rights violations.

remember disco?

get down. dhemi, dhemi, dhemi...

797 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:08pm

re: #763 Obdicut

It makes no difference in the US doesn't buy oil directly from the ME. Oil is fungible-- Palin got that part right.

It would make zero difference to the price of oil, so zero difference to the Middle East.

What would make a difference would be if we created more green tech and sold it cheaply to the developing world.

Of course it it fungible, I said so (12%), my point is that there are no political balls for calling out the Arabs, only poitical cover for inaction. The fact that it is fungible should bolster the testosterone, but it does not. And that is really wrong. And it will not change.

Fucking sick.l

798 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:15pm

re: #792 windsagio

That is such utter feces, I can't believe you typed it.

No outrage over Iranian civil rights abuses? REALLY?!

Got a link?

799 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:18pm

re: #795 Obdicut

People shouldn't focus on gender too much online anyways, theres no real way to know :P

800 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:24pm

re: #785 freetoken

I was pushed into doing college, but I really should have gone out and had a few years working experience on my own, first. Would have stopped me from fucking it all up.

Sad part is I knew this, told my parents that, and they just poo-pooed my arguments.

801 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:30pm

re: #793 albusteve

oblivious...

yet dangerous.

802 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:18:49pm

re: #790 marjoriemoon

I think we as Americans think of a "huggy-kissy peace". Flowers and love and all that. That's why I say, peace will begin as an absence of war and that will be plenty enough to start.

Agreed. But how do we know that an "absence of war" is the beginning of a real peace or if it is just a pause?

Even if they don't materially prepare, if it is only through education of their young and in keeping "resistance spirit" alive, an absence of war won't necessarily lead to peace.

803 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:19:01pm

re: #797 The Shadow Do

Uh, I don't get it. What would be the point of the US not buying oil from them? How would it have an effect?

Do you just mean so it's not our money going there, symbolically?

804 Racer X  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:19:22pm
805 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:19:22pm

re: #799 windsagio

People shouldn't focus on gender too much online anyways, theres no real way to know :P

You mean that avatar is not a girl?

806 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:19:36pm

Glenn Beck : It's all true

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

807 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:19:55pm

re: #785 freetoken

Speaking of economics and society, is this the question many US leaders dare not ask?

What if a college education isn't for everyone?

I for one think we push too many people to go to colleges, which is one reason (greatly increased demand) why college education costs so much.

Very true. Without a college degree, you are ridiculed and it's difficult to get a decent job. There's no reason why there shouldn't be a widespread option of a trade school that would give you useful skills to get a job that will support you. I actually think that the hyperfocus on college degrees is a bigger than small part of the reason for economic disparity being bigger than it has to be.

808 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:20:46pm

re: #780 Spare O'Lake

At least he doesn't use Northern Ireland as an example of the US not getting involved in a terrorist conflict.

809 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:21:21pm

re: #798 NJDhockeyfan

You're actually sticking with this.

random links:

From those radical Ivy league leftists!

From politico.

810 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:21:28pm

I always miss the cool threads, so wanted to repost my comments about the horse/man marriage thing here:

Let's, for a moment, take this argument seriously (and include pedophilia and necrophilia, two other fundie boogeymen, along with bestiality), and address it logically, leaving aside any instinctive revulsion we feel for these behaviors.

A horse, a child, a corpse... none of these can give CONSENT. You cannot have a consensual, mutual, equal marital relationship with an animal, a child, or a dead person. This simple fact alone makes such marriages legally impossible. You don't need arguments from the Bible, or from nature, or even from the natural sense of revulsion these behaviors prompt.

Now, when it comes to polygamy, it gets a bit trickier. Some don't have any moral or ethical problems with polygamy. I do, because I think it results in an inherently unequal relationship (of course, some people don't think marriage is an equal partnership). But are my moral objections to polygamy sufficient argument against it? No. However, I think a strong argument can be made that legalizing polygamy would create too many legal issues and complexities, for the individuals involved in the marriages and for society as a whole. Divorces in polygamous marriages would be legal nightmares. I think the case can be made that allowing polygamous marriage would be against society's best interests.

811 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:21:57pm

re: #807 cliffster

A lot of *trades people* in the UK are earning more than new graduates.
We need mechanics, plumbers and electricians more than office juniors and junior office managers (aka paper weights).

812 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:22:13pm

re: #800 Obdicut

Our society is doing a disservice to young people, and everyone really, by pushing people into something which will be of little use, because the pushed-students are just being pawns.

At heart this issue is about social status.

813 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:22:20pm

re: #800 Obdicut

I was pushed into doing college, but I really should have gone out and had a few years working experience on my own, first. Would have stopped me from fucking it all up.

Sad part is I knew this, told my parents that, and they just poo-pooed my arguments.

I absolutely agree. Personally, I'd recommend 2 years military service.

814 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:22:27pm

re: #805 Walter L. Newton

You can usually trust avatars, altho I could put one up that would probably throw you.

TMI time: There was a time where I was the most influential person in a whole MMO, largely because people thought I was really a girl :p

815 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:22:34pm

re: #785 freetoken

Speaking of economics and society, is this the question many US leaders dare not ask?

What if a college education isn't for everyone?

I for one think we push too many people to go to colleges, which is one reason (greatly increased demand) why college education costs so much.

The world needs plumbers, carpenters, painters, mechanics, and the list is very long!

816 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:23:01pm

re: #777 Guanxi88

Considering how many Native American and African American units fighting in the war for independence - plus the LARGE number of Nortenos involved in the effort, the slavery thing was a bad idea, to say the least.

and it had little to do with the Revolution itself...Mexico encouraged immigration and then changes it's mind when people poured into Texas...Santa Anna fucked up and wildly underestimated the Anglo desire for freedom from oppressive dictatorships like his...common folks flocked to Texas to fight that very oppression....slavery was a secondary, not yet thought out issue at the time

817 MJ  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:23:15pm

re: #707 windsagio

How much aid do we give France? (actually I don't know, but I'm betting its not much :p)

You're kidding, right?
I seem to recall the Marshall Plan.
Let's also not forget that in many ways, aid is a book-keeping trick. We stationed troops in Europe from the end of the war until...now. Those troops relieved the burden from those countries to pay for their own defense. Money is fungible. Because France, Germany, the Benelux countries among others did not have to pay for their own defense, they were able to use that money for other things. Some would consider that aid.


Aid is more complicated subject than many folks realize.

818 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:23:16pm

re: #802 Joo-LiZ

Agreed. But how do we know that an "absence of war" is the beginning of a real peace or if it is just a pause?

Even if they don't materially prepare, if it is only through education of their young and in keeping "resistance spirit" alive, an absence of war won't necessarily lead to peace.

The longer no war, the better. Seems obvious I guess! But truly, that's why we have had some times of "peace" and then... we don't. I think Israel is very happy for those times. At least we're not where we were from 2000-2006.

Forever peace will begin there, I think, but beyond that, is hard to say.

819 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:23:44pm

re: #816 albusteve

I love your 'as written for 5th graders in 1957' views of history :D

820 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:23:50pm

re: #813 ggt

I'd say military or civil-- one of the ways I greatly agree with Obama.

821 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:24:26pm

re: #817 MJ

I'm pretty sure we're not giving any of that Marshall aid NOW.

Past aid probably doesn't have much leverage >

822 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:24:35pm

re: #811 wozzablog

A lot of *trades people* in the UK are earning more than new graduates.
We need mechanics, plumbers and electricians more than office juniors and junior office managers (aka paper weights).

And the fact that you even bring up, as noteworthy, that they earn more is a sign of the rather elitist attitude people have. If I am very good at a trade, there's no reason why I shouldn't make more money than someone who received more education in literature, history, etc.

823 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:24:37pm

re: #761 windsagio

I'm not hugely surprised. You can't deny tho, that one of the causes of the Texas Revolution was that the Mexican government specifically outlawed slavery (interestingly as a way to discourage American immigration)

wrong

824 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:24:51pm

re: #817 MJ

You're kidding, right?
I seem to recall the Marshall Plan.
Let's also not forget that in many ways, aid is a book-keeping trick. We stationed troops in Europe from the end of the war until...now. Those troops relieved the burden from those countries to pay for their own defense. Money is fungible. Because France, Germany, the Benelux countries among others did not have to pay for their own defense, they were able to use that money for other things. Some would consider that aid.

Aid is more complicated subject than many folks realize.

yeah but they went and spent it on socialized health care & now the Euro is tanking... whatever.

825 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:24:55pm

re: #816 albusteve

When you talk about the "Anglo" desire for freedom of oppression, you are leaving out the Tejanos.

May I suggest you just say "Texan"? That's rather more inclusive.

826 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:25:01pm

re: #817 MJ

We stationed troops in Europe from the end of the war until...now.

Quagmire!

827 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:25:05pm

re: #796 brookly red

remember disco?

get down. dhemi, dhemi, dhemi...

As Mandy would say: HASAN CHOP!

828 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:25:10pm

re: #814 windsagio

You can usually trust avatars, altho I could put one up that would probably throw you.

TMI time: There was a time where I was the most influential person in a whole MMO, largely because people thought I was really a girl :p

What's a MMO?

829 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:25:18pm

re: #745 ausador

Since the surrounding arab countries will not let Palestinians permanently settle and have kept them refugees for 40+ years it seems that only the Israeli's will be able to end this.

By surrendering their country to the swarming "refugees" because the Arab countries don't want them? Is that what you want?

830 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:25:48pm

re: #773 Floral Giraffe

Ladies ROCK.
If I do say so, myself!

Ready for a true story? I was really good friends with this girl in College.. We were pals and hung out alot...
So after school I get this call from her one night that she is going out with some High class dude in Napa.. I think at Mustards
Hoopster..When I call you on your pager call Mustards..
Why
Ask for me...Dr. (Insert name here)
A doctor?
A Doctor
Who is this dude..
He is the dude..Shut up and do what I tell you..
This is all about sex isn't it?
That's not all..
What?
Hang up and call again...
What?
After the first hang up there wouldn't be a person there looking for me to take the call...Call twice...Paging Dr. (insert name here)
You have got to be kidding me...
Nope...
So yes I paged her twice..
What are friends for?

831 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:26:01pm

re: #824 brookly red

Holy crap, talk about massively oversimplifying. Dude.

832 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:26:04pm

re: #828 Walter L. Newton

Stans for "massively multiplayer online'. Think like Wolrd of Warcraft, that's not the game in question tho :p

833 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:26:29pm

re: #820 Obdicut

I've been doing a few eveninigs of community service a week since i was 15 and joined my local sports club committee - a club largely populated by seniors who need somewhere to be (largely to avoid their spouses).

I've been doing it 12 years - i think people already aiding the community should be exempt tbh.

834 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:27:13pm

re: #832 windsagio

Stans for "massively multiplayer online'. Think like World of Warcraft, that's not the game in question tho :p

PIYF

835 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:27:26pm

re: #807 cliffster

Very true. Without a college degree, you are ridiculed and it's difficult to get a decent job. There's no reason why there shouldn't be a widespread option of a trade school that would give you useful skills to get a job that will support you. I actually think that the hyperfocus on college degrees is a bigger than small part of the reason for economic disparity being bigger than it has to be.

I'd agree with all that. Not to mention the crippling debt many leave college with.

OTOH, there was an interesting article in the NYT a couple of days ago that I posted in spin offs--
In Hard Times, Lured Into Trade School and Debt

One fast-growing American industry has become a conspicuous beneficiary of the recession: for-profit colleges and trade schools.

At institutions that train students for careers in areas like health care, computers and food service, enrollments are soaring as people anxious about weak job prospects borrow aggressively to pay tuition that can exceed $30,000 a year.

But the profits have come at substantial taxpayer expense while often delivering dubious benefits to students, according to academics and advocates for greater oversight of financial aid. Critics say many schools exaggerate the value of their degree programs, selling young people on dreams of middle-class wages while setting them up for default on untenable debts, low-wage work and a struggle to avoid poverty. And the schools are harvesting growing federal student aid dollars, including Pell grants awarded to low-income students.

836 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:27:33pm

re: #802 Joo-LiZ

Agreed. But how do we know that an "absence of war" is the beginning of a real peace or if it is just a pause?

Even if they don't materially prepare, if it is only through education of their young and in keeping "resistance spirit" alive, an absence of war won't necessarily lead to peace.

Peace is:

Truth
Justice
Freedom
Love


The four pillars of peace

3. Pope John XXIII did not agree with those who claimed that peace was impossible. With his Encyclical, peace – in all its demanding truth – came knocking on both sides of the Wall and of all the other dividing walls. The Encyclical spoke to everyone of their belonging to the one human family, and shone a light on the shared aspiration of people everywhere to live in security, justice and hope for the future.

With the profound intuition that characterized him, John XXIII identified the essential conditions for peace in four precise requirements of the human spirit: truth, justice, love and freedom (cf. ibid., I: l.c., 265-266). Truth will build peace if every individual sincerely acknowledges not only his rights, but also his own duties towards others. Justice will build peace if in practice everyone respects the rights of others and actually fulfils his duties towards them. Love will build peace if people feel the needs of others as their own and share what they have with others, especially the values of mind and spirit which they possess. Freedom will build peace and make it thrive if, in the choice of the means to that end, people act according to reason and assume responsibility for their own actions.

837 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:27:46pm

re: #824 brookly red

Socialised healthcare that costs a third less than the US system and provides as good/better results.

Saved a tonne of money in the long run - and hey, we made our last payment back to you.

838 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:27:53pm

re: #767 ggt

IIRC, Palestinians could simply become Israeli Citizens. They had that option at the beginning.

I wish the Palestinians would realize that the rest of the Arab world is not their friend.

That is the "one State solution." Palestinians get Israeli citizenship and then by sheer force of numbers force out the Jews.

Somehow the rest of the Arab world is never held accountable.

839 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:27:55pm

re: #834 Dark_Falcon

Pff whatever, I hate that game. I almost had a nervous breakdown because of it. (only slight hyperbole!)

840 freetoken  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:28:06pm

re: #807 cliffster

Our society just doesn't value a person who has mastered a skill and executes it faithfully, as much as a piece of paper.

One very large difference between life in Japan and the US is the quality expected in the small things in life. The clothes, the food, printing jobs, haircuts, etc. Our lack of desire here for quality (since we like quantity over quality - bigger is better, he who has the most wins, etc.) really does spill over in how we treat "work".

Recently the owner of the property I'm renting has had some repair jobs made around the property. Half-assed repair jobs. Very much second rate work. The owner just won't pay for someone to do the jobs correctly. He probably figures he could never get the return needed on a rental property, but the way I look at it all he is doing is a further Walmart-i-zation of our culture.

841 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:28:59pm

re: #775 Obdicut

Um, yes. There was a lot done by the US government in regards to the Troubles. Like the Mitchell report.

Not to mention the IRA got a lot of funding from US sources.

Not really the best example for you to use.

I thought of that before I included the IRA example. The US government did not support the IRA, it was private sources. Mitchell was invited in by both parties but his report stipulated for the IRA to lay down their weapons, which the IRA did, and which then immediately led to peace and calm. If only the Islamofascists in Gaza and the West Bank would lay down their arms, peace would immediately follow.

842 brookly red  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:30:30pm

re: #831 Obdicut

Holy crap, talk about massively oversimplifying. Dude.

simple is good, simple is real. Johnny stuck his head in the hornets nest... poor Johnny. Learn.

843 cliffster  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:30:40pm

re: #840 freetoken

Very much agree. Although at this point, we are starting to sound like grandpas. "Folks just don't do things right like they used to". Is what it is though.

844 albusteve  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:31:01pm

re: #825 Obdicut

When you talk about the "Anglo" desire for freedom of oppression, you are leaving out the Tejanos.

May I suggest you just say "Texan"? That's rather more inclusive.

the Tejanos were already there and I certainly don't dismiss them...the Anglo immigrant intrusion just reinforced their own desires...you have to come from somewhere if you immigrate, and blacks and Cajuns fled into Texas as well...the Tejano culture is the heart and soul of Texas imo

845 windsagio  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:31:38pm

re: #842 brookly red

until jimmy learns that 'its alwys a bad idea to stick your head into anything'

...actually that's not bad advice, at that.

846 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:32:38pm

re: #840 freetoken

Our society just doesn't value a person who has mastered a skill and executes it faithfully, as much as a piece of paper.

One very large difference between life in Japan and the US is the quality expected in the small things in life. The clothes, the food, printing jobs, haircuts, etc. Our lack of desire here for quality (since we like quantity over quality - bigger is better, he who has the most wins, etc.) really does spill over in how we treat "work".

Recently the owner of the property I'm renting has had some repair jobs made around the property. Half-assed repair jobs. Very much second rate work. The owner just won't pay for someone to do the jobs correctly. He probably figures he could never get the return needed on a rental property, but the way I look at it all he is doing is a further Walmart-i-zation of our culture.

Tell me about it. 30 years in IT and I am running up against all sorts of "paper" problems trying to find a job. There wasn't even a decent degree in computers when I started, we all did it hands on.

847 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:33:07pm

re: #841 Spare O'Lake

And Clinton's involvement? And the many other US statements on the conflict?

You say so many things that are factually untrue, man, it's hard to take you seriously. The other day you were claiming that resident aliens didn't exist. Today you're claiming the US wasn't involved in the peace process with Northern Ireland. The Good Friday agreement was hugely influenced by President Clinton. You'd think if you were looking for evidence of presidents being able to effectively deal with terrorist groups and make them accept peace, you'd include Bill Clinton's role in the IRA peace accords, instead of pretending it didn't happen.

Do you just not care that you get things wrong when you make your arguments?

848 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:33:54pm

re: #820 Obdicut

I'd say military or civil-- one of the ways I greatly agree with Obama.

I really wouldn't mind if my kid "back-packed" thru Europe or did Missionary work in a 3rd world country right out of High School. As long as he did it on his own dime/had to find his own way thru it. I don't think he'd learn or mature if I were paying for it.

For me the point is to get out in the world and expose oneself to a different environment --on one's own dime. I think the kids who stay home and work at Target don't learn shit --except that the don't want to work retail.

849 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:35:04pm

re: #770 Guanxi88

Eh, the 1836 constitution did allow slavery, but the 1845 constitution did not.

Huh?

On October 13, 1845 a large majority of voters in the Republic approved both the American offer and the proposed constitution that specifically endorsed slavery and emigrants bringing slaves to Texas.

850 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:35:39pm

re: #848 ggt

I think work experience helping, say, marine biologists gather data, would also be beneficial. I'm not suggesting that the kids work shit jobs-- though even just learning how to have an apartment and pay bills is something I think kids should learn before college, not after-- but that they work some job that might give them insight into what they want to do, into how they work.

It's pie in the sky, of course. Way to socialistic for the US right now.

851 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:36:15pm

re: #803 Obdicut

Uh, I don't get it. What would be the point of the US not buying oil from them? How would it have an effect?

Do you just mean so it's not our money going there, symbolically?

It would be a sea change. We would not be protecting Europes oil. China and Russia would be all in - game on.

This would be a whole nother game.

852 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:36:25pm

re: #846 Walter L. Newton

Tell me about it. 30 years in IT and I am running up against all sorts of "paper" problems trying to find a job. There wasn't even a decent degree in computers when I started, we all did it hands on.

I have a degree in math and computer science (1986) and 25 years in IT and I can't even get a job interview, because I not only live in a depressed area but I am a woman over 50 (the last group on earth against whom it is legitimate to discriminate against)

853 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:37:27pm

re: #851 The Shadow Do

Why? How would it have any effect at all?

854 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:38:04pm

re: #851 The Shadow Do

It would be a sea change. We would not be protecting Europes oil. China and Russia would be all in - game on.

This would be a whole nother game.

Oh, and high ground to stand on by the way.

855 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:38:07pm

re: #852 Alouette

Oh, I can assure you our hiring committee discriminates against men over fifty, too.

856 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:39:33pm

re: #848 ggt

I really wouldn't mind if my kid "back-packed" thru Europe or did Missionary work in a 3rd world country right out of High School. As long as he did it on his own dime/had to find his own way thru it. I don't think he'd learn or mature if I were paying for it.

For me the point is to get out in the world and expose oneself to a different environment --on one's own dime. I think the kids who stay home and work at Target don't learn shit --except that the don't want to work retail.

Totally agree. I took a couple of years off before college and did a variety of things, supported myself and lived on my own, and it was terrifically helpful. When I went to college I was so incredibly focussed and knew what I wanted.

857 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #788 Joo-LiZ

In case anyone missed it earlier... Bibi is NOT backing down over construction in Jerusalem:

Speaking truth to power.

858 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:40:20pm

re: #853 Obdicut

Why? How would it have any effect at all?

Thinking that divorcing America from the current equation with Europe, Russia, China, etc does not have any effect...well, what can I say.

859 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:41:14pm

re: #748 Walter L. Newton

When you find some Palestinians that want to work something out, get back to us.

Jesus, right Walter of course I bow to your expertise in the Palestinian mind, they are all, every single one of them, murderous terrorists!!11eleventy!1!11!!

Get real and stop mindlessly spouting Cheny type propaganda someday, I might just begin to take you seriously as an actual thinker then.

/but not today apparently...

860 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:42:33pm

re: #850 Obdicut

I think work experience helping, say, marine biologists gather data, would also be beneficial. I'm not suggesting that the kids work shit jobs-- though even just learning how to have an apartment and pay bills is something I think kids should learn before college, not after-- but that they work some job that might give them insight into what they want to do, into how they work.

It's pie in the sky, of course. Way to socialistic for the US right now.

Hey, I'm all for it. I think it would be easy enough if you can network to the right person hiring. Which just takes time and creative thinking. Something like that I might lend a hand in financial support. A lot of "intern"-like positions don't pay.

I Cincinnati the Zoo and Botanical Gardens offers a select few high schools students the opportunity to go to high school at the zoo. I think there are probably a lot of opportunities for experience and networking --if one has the discipline to find them.

861 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:42:34pm

re: #840 freetoken

Our society just doesn't value a person who has mastered a skill and executes it faithfully, as much as a piece of paper.

One very large difference between life in Japan and the US is the quality expected in the small things in life. The clothes, the food, printing jobs, haircuts, etc. Our lack of desire here for quality (since we like quantity over quality - bigger is better, he who has the most wins, etc.) really does spill over in how we treat "work".

Recently the owner of the property I'm renting has had some repair jobs made around the property. Half-assed repair jobs. Very much second rate work. The owner just won't pay for someone to do the jobs correctly. He probably figures he could never get the return needed on a rental property, but the way I look at it all he is doing is a further Walmart-i-zation of our culture.

Nothing to be done about it. America is a move forward society, not a contemplative one. And I remind how low Japan's birth rate is. Our problems pale compared with their demographic doomsday.

862 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:42:39pm

re: #821 windsagio

I'm pretty sure we're not giving any of that Marshall aid NOW.

Past aid probably doesn't have much leverage >

Here is a snapshot. Mostly military and immigration, but also to technology, medicine, R&D, energy and peacekeeping.

2009-10 Conditions (PDF file) I can't copy from it, but you can scan through it.

December 15, 2009 - U.S. – Israel Joint Economic Development Group Mid-Year Review Joint Statement

The U.S. delegation commended Israel for being on track to meet its 2009 fiscal targets, which includes a maximum 1.7 percent plus 1.35 percent (3.05 percent in all) increase in real expenditures over 2008 spending, and a maximum 6 percent of GDP budget deficit.

The delegations also discussed possibilities to expand high-tech cooperation, with the goals of promoting job creation, innovation, and business-to-business collaboration. Both countries noted the success of existing bi-national foundations and institutions that have substantively enhanced bilateral private-sector high-tech cooperation.

June 29, 2009 - U.S. – Israel Joint Economic Development Group Joint Statement

The U.S. delegation commended Israel's strong economic performance and fiscal discipline in recent years.
863 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:43:11pm

re: #850 Obdicut

I think work experience helping, say, marine biologists gather data, would also be beneficial. I'm not suggesting that the kids work shit jobs-- though even just learning how to have an apartment and pay bills is something I think kids should learn before college, not after-- but that they work some job that might give them insight into what they want to do, into how they work.

It's pie in the sky, of course. Way to socialistic for the US right now.

Being a runner on the floor of the stock exchange is another idea. Learn and move fast, or you are hosed! Real life. heh

864 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:43:26pm

re: #821 windsagio

I'm pretty sure we're not giving any of that Marshall aid NOW.

Past aid probably doesn't have much leverage >

I downdinged you because you need to do a little background work before you make assumptions.

865 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:45:14pm

re: #788 Joo-LiZ

In case anyone missed it earlier... Bibi is NOT backing down over construction in Jerusalem:

This one's for Bibi:

866 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:45:17pm

re: #858 The Shadow Do

You are absolutely unable to explain yourself, which isn't a good sign.

Again: Oil is fungible. Us not buying oil from the ME will have zero effect on the price of oil. So how will it have any effect on the nations in the middle east?

867 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:45:23pm

re: #847 Obdicut

And Clinton's involvement? And the many other US statements on the conflict?

You say so many things that are factually untrue, man, it's hard to take you seriously. The other day you were claiming that resident aliens didn't exist. Today you're claiming the US wasn't involved in the peace process with Northern Ireland. The Good Friday agreement was hugely influenced by President Clinton. You'd think if you were looking for evidence of presidents being able to effectively deal with terrorist groups and make them accept peace, you'd include Bill Clinton's role in the IRA peace accords, instead of pretending it didn't happen.

Do you just not care that you get things wrong when you make your arguments?

The US NEVER dictated terms or threatened GB the way Obama is now trying to do to Israel. There is no equivalence, and you are disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

868 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:45:59pm

re: #767 ggt

IIRC, Palestinians could simply become Israeli Citizens. They had that option at the beginning.

I wish the Palestinians would realize that the rest of the Arab world is not their friend.

Non-Voting citizens you mean, Arabs can be citizens, but they cannot vote in elections. If they allowed all arabs to vote the Jewish voters would be outnumbered by more than two to one, so obviously they will not allow that, EVER.

Sigh...

869 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:46:34pm

re: #860 ggt

Yeah, I kick myself for not doing internships as a kid now, looking back on it. Would have been helpful in the extreme.

870 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:47:14pm

I have to go, I'll meet you-all upstairs in a little bit.

871 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:49:32pm

re: #869 Obdicut

Yeah, I kick myself for not doing internships as a kid now, looking back on it. Would have been helpful in the extreme.

On the other hand, I think kids should do a variety of different things exploring various interests. Not everything has to be geared to the endgoal of a particular profession. I think we put way too much pressure on kids to already know what they want to do at a pretty young age.

872 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:49:38pm

re: #866 Obdicut

You are absolutely unable to explain yourself, which isn't a good sign.

Again: Oil is fungible. Us not buying oil from the ME will have zero effect on the price of oil. So how will it have any effect on the nations in the middle east?


Ok, I'll try again. You are in a bar. A bar fight breaks out. You leave.

Imagine Europe, Russia, China at odds over the price and availability of Arab oil. Imagine that without the USA presiding or even present at the event.

Now lets talk about the effects of that.

No difference, really?

873 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:49:38pm

re: #859 ausador

Jesus, right Walter of course I bow to your expertise in the Palestinian mind, they are all, every single one of them, murderous terrorists!!11eleventy!1!11!!

Get real and stop mindlessly spouting Cheny type propaganda someday, I might just begin to take you seriously as an actual thinker then.

/but not today apparently...

We do not have a partner in peace with Hamas. Their leadership has a mission to destroy both Israelis and Americans, btw and both our interests. That is not propaganda.

We have more of a partner with Abbas and the Fatah crew, but that's more about having a nicely suited fellow say all the right diplomatic things, shake hands and "agree" with the U.S. and Israel, then turn around and do nothing.

874 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:49:45pm

re: #773 Floral Giraffe

Ladies ROCK.
If I do say so, myself!

Pfffttt, conflict of interest!11!11

875 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:52:17pm

re: #859 ausador

Jesus, right Walter of course I bow to your expertise in the Palestinian mind, they are all, every single one of them, murderous terrorists!!11eleventy!1!11!!

Get real and stop mindlessly spouting Cheny type propaganda someday, I might just begin to take you seriously as an actual thinker then.

/but not today apparently...

Believe it not, Hamas rejects Israel's right to exist and their goal is to annihilate Israel. Fatah is not much different. They refuse to stop shooting in order to permit negotiations. If you choose to deny those basic facts then there is nothing to talk about.

876 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:52:39pm

re: #867 Spare O'Lake

The US NEVER dictated terms or threatened GB the way Obama is now trying to do to Israel. There is no equivalence, and you are disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Clinton made his own mistakes, but here we are, 20 years down the road, and I would have hoped our government would learn from those days.

877 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:53:05pm

re: #867 Spare O'Lake

Ah, the backpedal.

They never threatened them with what, exactly? And how do you know what Clinton said to the British leadership? Clinton certainly urged restraint on the British, as did other US leaders. Given that UK policy towards Northern Ireland changed as a result of that, I'd say it's certain that he had an effect on their policy.

I completely agree with your statement that Israel just wants to be treated like any other sovereign nation, and that criticism of them is generally massively hypocritical.

There is no need to engage in factual errors and hyperbole to defend Israel. Israel is a democracy in a see of oligarchies, theocracies, and dictatorships. It deserves our support.

878 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #872 The Shadow Do

How about you just answer the question straightforwardly instead of using bizarre analogies.

Given that there is no effect on the price of oil by switching where you buy it, what effect will switching where we buy our oil have?

879 sngnsgt  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:57:00pm

re: #804 Racer X

Right on, if you can't figure it out, you shouldn't be driving in the first place!!!

880 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:57:19pm

re: #877 Obdicut

Ah, the backpedal.

They never threatened them with what, exactly? And how do you know what Clinton said to the British leadership? Clinton certainly urged restraint on the British, as did other US leaders. Given that UK policy towards Northern Ireland changed as a result of that, I'd say it's certain that he had an effect on their policy.

Most definitely. GB wouldn't have changed its N.Ireland policies when it did had it not been for Clinton and the US pressure to do so. I can't believe that anyone who was following it at the time could believe otherwise.
Of course, the IRA itself did have its own violent splitoff faction, the so-called Real IRA, and still does. Tried to kill someone a couple of weeks ago.

881 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:58:23pm

re: #871 iceweasel

And some of my favorite people are the guys who don't do much, who aren't materialistic and just get by with a smile and some simple job. A lot of the happiest people I know are the least career-oriented.

Me, I'm a workaholic. I worked eleven hours on Friday, the day my friend died, because work is a solace to me when I don't know what to do.

882 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:59:27pm

re: #871 iceweasel

I went to university - i didn't particularly want to - it was just expected. I flamed out after a particularly rough year of travelling, girlfriend issues (she almost died), several of my family did die and the people on my law course were hugely assholeish.

Took me a couple of years to get over the massive fuck up that was my life at that point.

I got into computer repair and consultancy for small firms - spread across a lot of clients - then PC's became cheaper to buy with warranty than i cost for routine maintainance and repair visits.

Pffft.

883 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 6:59:51pm

re: #866 Obdicut

US demand for OPEC oil has a huge effect on the world oil price which is set by OPEC. Shifting even a portion of US supply away from OPEC sources would tend to depress the world price.

884 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:00:38pm

re: #881 Obdicut

I have my community commitments to see me through events like that, thank the assorted gods.

885 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:01:04pm

re: #883 Spare O'Lake

No, it wouldn't. Oil is fungible. If we weren't buying it, we'd buy oil somewhere else, and other countries would buy it from the ME.

Please explain why that is not true. Oil is the classic example of the fungible commodity, so I have no clue where you get this idea that the price varies according to who buys it from where.

886 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:01:11pm

re: #878 Obdicut

How about you just answer the question straightforwardly instead of using bizarre analogies.

Given that there is no effect on the price of oil by switching where you buy it, what effect will switching where we buy our oil have?

We really are having a separate discussion here. I am not talking about the price of oil. This is friable.

I am trying to communicate a way forward politically. A risk no one is willing to take.

I guess we will have to let it go at that.

Without a fundamental change in the dynamic, nothing, nothing at all changes as evidenced by the last way too many years of history.

887 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:02:00pm

re: #873 marjoriemoon

We do not have a partner in peace with Hamas. Their leadership has a mission to destroy both Israelis and Americans, btw and both our interests. That is not propaganda.

We have more of a partner with Abbas and the Fatah crew, but that's more about having a nicely suited fellow say all the right diplomatic things, shake hands and "agree" with the U.S. and Israel, then turn around and do nothing.

Well gee, I never knew any of that, just like I never knew that before they were ever dreamed up we had "no partnership" with the PLO and Arafat. (really, do I present myself as that young and stupid?)

Well except that we did sign a treaty with Arafat and the PLO, you know, the one Arafat won a Nobel prize for? Of course maybe you don't remember it, after all it is just one of nine treaty agreements that Israel has signed with us and then violated. Yet our aid flows unabated even when they tell us to go "F" ourselves time after time.

888 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:02:36pm

re: #882 wozzablog

I went to university - i didn't particularly want to - it was just expected. I flamed out after a particularly rough year of travelling, girlfriend issues (she almost died), several of my family did die and the people on my law course were hugely assholeish.

Took me a couple of years to get over the massive fuck up that was my life at that point.

I got into computer repair and consultancy for small firms - spread across a lot of clients - then PC's became cheaper to buy with warranty than i cost for routine maintainance and repair visits.

Pffft.

Thanks for your story. I'm sorry to hear that.

The UK system is very different than the US one in re: law, IIRC. You take the law course when you're at uni and it's 3 years, I think?
Here we make em go to uni for 4 years, then apply to law school, and it's another 3 years of school just for that.

889 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:03:00pm

re: #886 The Shadow Do

I just have no clue what 'political' effect not buying oil from them will have.

I think that developing green technology to reduce worldwide dependence on oil is what is necessary to change the game in the ME. As long as they control so much oil, and as long as the world economy runs on it, they will be able to sustain their corrupt regimes unless brave internal revolutionaries succeed. And we can't count on that.

890 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:03:59pm

re: #887 ausador

Uh oh

891 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:05:00pm

re: #889 Obdicut

I just have no clue what 'political' effect not buying oil from them will have.

I think that developing green technology to reduce worldwide dependence on oil is what is necessary to change the game in the ME. As long as they control so much oil, and as long as the world economy runs on it, they will be able to sustain their corrupt regimes unless brave internal revolutionaries succeed. And we can't count on that.

And the moon is made of green cheese.

892 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:05:13pm

re: #887 ausador

If breaking treaties and going against the UN is the measure of telling people to go fuck themselves, then we tell ourselves to go fuck ourselves a lot.

The treaty conditions have never been met by the PLO, either. Treaties require multiple partners.

893 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:05:44pm

re: #888 iceweasel

Thanks for your story. I'm sorry to hear that.

The UK system is very different than the US one in re: law, IIRC. You take the law course when you're at uni and it's 3 years, I think?
Here we make em go to uni for 4 years, then apply to law school, and it's another 3 years of school just for that.

Oh, plus massive, crippling debt when you get out of law school. Can run well over a hundred K. You're then essentially a wage slave for a few years til you pay it back.

894 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:05:49pm

re: #891 The Shadow Do

What are you talking about? Can you please, please, just straightforwardly say what you mean instead of communicating solely through cryptic statements? It's really aggravating.

895 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:05:50pm

re: #887 ausador

Well gee, I never knew any of that, just like I never knew that before they were ever dreamed up we had "no partnership" with the PLO and Arafat. (really, do I present myself as that young and stupid?)

Well except that we did sign a treaty with Arafat and the PLO, you know, the one Arafat won a Nobel prize for? Of course maybe you don't remember it, after all it is just one of nine treaty agreements that Israel has signed with us and then violated. Yet our aid flows unabated even when they tell us to go "F" ourselves time after time.

Excuse me? Which treaties did Israel violate again? Really you show me.

Arafat was offered all of Gaza and 90% of East Jerusalem. If he had taken it, we wouldn't be discussing Jewish settlements today would we.

896 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:06:31pm

re: #887 ausador

OK, now you're talk like some anti-Israel academic asshole. In the word s of the great Nekama:

The bus to Rachel Corrie's tomb is leaving; Make sure you're under it.

897 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:08:03pm

re: #859 ausador

Jesus, right Walter of course I bow to your expertise in the Palestinian mind, they are all, every single one of them, murderous terrorists!!11eleventy!1!11!!

Get real and stop mindlessly spouting Cheny type propaganda someday, I might just begin to take you seriously as an actual thinker then.

/but not today apparently...

And the reason I gave you a little lesson into the Arab reality is because I don't particularly care what the average man on the street of Gaza thinks. I care what his leaders think and their both for shit.

Go ahead now and compare the contributions of these people with those of the Israelis.

898 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:08:18pm

re: #894 Obdicut

What are you talking about? Can you please, please, just straightforwardly say what you mean instead of communicating solely through cryptic statements? It's really aggravating.

I am not being cryptic, and no.

899 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:08:44pm

re: #888 iceweasel

That was about 8 years ago. Head still isn't quite screwed on straight,but i get by. My US girlfriend has given me reason to kick the rut :-)

I want to move out there and get a job, somehow, in a couple of years.

Anyhews, yeah, university is not for everyone.

UK law degrees take 3 years, and then another couple of years for BAR or for solicitor qualifications.

I should have done History if i was going to do anything at all. I didn't even want a career in law.

Oh well/.

900 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #877 Obdicut

You accuse me of backing down right before you back down.
Hahaha. Dishonest but funny.

901 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:10:36pm

re: #898 The Shadow Do

Whatever, then. You're completely wrong that not buying oil from the MIddle East would have any real effect. At most, it would be a nod and a wink that allowed us to look like we were shunning them while having no actual effect.

End US weapon sales to the nations in the Middle East-- weapons they use to keep their oppressed populations in line. Sure, they can buy weapons from elsewhere-- but US tech is still the best, and if they want stuff that can, say, stop the Israelis from blowing their tails off they want US tech.

902 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:11:02pm

re: #900 Spare O'Lake

Please explain how I backed down.

903 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:11:43pm

Ok I'm out. Maybe I'll watch Family Guy and get out of this lovely mood I'm in right before bedtime...

see you cats tomorrow.

904 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:14:41pm

Hey DF-- you still here? Check yer email.

Also, you mentioned stomach problems-- I wanted to recommend Ranitidine. Friend's mum who is a doc recommended it. It's sold under the brand name Zantac, but if you look in the pharmacies you'll find vastly cheaper ones 'house' brands (CVS, whatever) -- just check the labels for the active ingredient.

You don't need a prescription & you can take it before you experience symptoms to circumvent them. Here's a list of interactions and conditions that would preclude using it-- check the labels and stuff too of course. And if the symptoms are a constant problem, definitely get a check up when you can.

Hope this helps, and that the interviews are going well for you!

905 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:15:51pm

re: #899 wozzablog

So cute, you and your honey's story. You're like me and Jimmah with a reverse immigration pattern. Good luck!

906 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:20:09pm

re: #905 iceweasel

tnanks hunny x

907 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:21:57pm

re: #885 Obdicut

No, it wouldn't. Oil is fungible. If we weren't buying it, we'd buy oil somewhere else, and other countries would buy it from the ME.

Please explain why that is not true. Oil is the classic example of the fungible commodity, so I have no clue where you get this idea that the price varies according to who buys it from where.

You ignore the fact that oil prices are controlled by an oligopoly, and instead pretend that the market is perfectly competitiv. You also ignore the fact that OPEC has a big tap that they turn on and off at will to manipulate the supply. You further ignore the political dimensions of the market and the political pressures which operate on various market participants.
If the US, along with some other consuming nations, could probably break OPEC or at least reduce its monopolistic power, prices would go down.

908 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:22:44pm

re: #904 iceweasel

Hey DF-- you still here? Check yer email.

Also, you mentioned stomach problems-- I wanted to recommend Ranitidine. Friend's mum who is a doc recommended it. It's sold under the brand name Zantac, but if you look in the pharmacies you'll find vastly cheaper ones 'house' brands (CVS, whatever) -- just check the labels for the active ingredient.

You don't need a prescription & you can take it before you experience symptoms to circumvent them. Here's a list of interactions and conditions that would preclude using it-- check the labels and stuff too of course. And if the symptoms are a constant problem, definitely get a check up when you can.

Hope this helps, and that the interviews are going well for you!

The in person interviews start tomorrow. I've got two lined up.

909 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:24:33pm

re: #907 Spare O'Lake

You ignore the fact that oil prices are controlled by an oligopoly, and instead pretend that the market is perfectly competitiv. You also ignore the fact that OPEC has a big tap that they turn on and off at will to manipulate the supply. You further ignore the political dimensions of the market and the political pressures which operate on various market participants.

I didn't ignore any of that. It's irrelevant to the question. OPEC manipulates supply, as does every other producer, as do the refineries. That doesn't have a damn thing to do about whether we stop purchasing from them in particular will have any effect on them. That's what you have to prove.

If the US, along with some other consuming nations, could probably break OPEC or at least reduce its monopolistic power, prices would go down.

OPEC doesn't have a monopolistic power, since they don't produce anywhere near the majority of the oil in the world.

See, again, man-- you're unable to talk about this subject without immediately saying something completely untrue. OPEC has nothing anywhere near monopolistic power. At all.

So do you just not care that you make mistakes like that?

910 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:25:22pm

re: #908 Dark_Falcon

Best of luck, and remember, a positive attitude is key. I would be happy to hire you, and they should be happy you're applying.

Kudos for getting moving so fast.

911 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:25:24pm

re: #908 Dark_Falcon

The in person interviews start tomorrow. I've got two lined up.

Good luck! I went through that shit last year.

912 The Left  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:27:14pm

re: #908 Dark_Falcon

The in person interviews start tomorrow. I've got two lined up.

Wonderful! Congrats and GOOD LUCK!

913 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:28:27pm

re: #897 marjoriemoon

And the reason I gave you a little lesson into the Arab reality is because I don't particularly care what the average man on the street of Gaza thinks. I care what his leaders think and their both for shit.

Go ahead now and compare the contributions of these people with those of the Israelis.

The Palestinians had control of "Israel" for several hundred years and did nothing but destroy it, they turned it into even more of a desert wasteland than their ancestors already had. They had no real industry, no widespread sustainable agriculture, they had nothing other than biblical tourism and the making of fake historical trinkets for that market to sustain themselves.

The Israeli's have made a nation, they have created industries, agriculture, planted forests, built new cities. Anyone who argues against the Israeli's right to own and develop their ancestral lands is quite frankly being ludicrously stupid. They have obviously more than earned the right to their lands by the sweat of their brow and their efforts to improve it which have been quite successful.

Yet, given all of that, and no matter how much I say I support Israel, all I have to do is question their further expansion and settlement onto lands already ceded to the Palestinians by treaties they have signed with us and I am seen as anti-semitic?

As far as I know the only ones who are really supporting the expansion of the settlements both politically and financially are the Christian "end-times" dominionists.

914 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:30:00pm

re: #913 ausador

I don't entirely agree with what you're saying but kudos for explaining yourself and sticking with it.

915 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:31:52pm

re: #910 Obdicut

Best of luck, and remember, a positive attitude is key. I would be happy to hire you, and they should be happy you're applying.

Kudos for getting moving so fast.

No point in waiting. Moreover, I had a few days advance warning that I might get laid off. I would have had tomorrow off anyway and my first interview was booked before the ax fell. Forewarned is indeed forearmed.

916 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:35:28pm

re: #902 Obdicut

Please explain how I backed down.

Reread, you'll see it.
We're done with this.

917 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:36:49pm

re: #916 Spare O'Lake

Heh. You don't want to defend your completely false assertion that OPEC has a monopoly?

I don't retract anything I said.

918 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:38:01pm

re: #888 iceweasel

Thanks for your story. I'm sorry to hear that.

The UK system is very different than the US one in re: law, IIRC. You take the law course when you're at uni and it's 3 years, I think?
Here we make em go to uni for 4 years, then apply to law school, and it's another 3 years of school just for that.

Actually - it is possible to get into law school without ever getting a baccalaureate degree - it's just that most people don't do it. But one of my former boyfriends from a gajillion years ago did just that - got 3 years of college under his belt, then applied and went directly to law school, no baccalaureate degree.

But at minimum, it will take 6 years (vs the 3 you seem to be talking about in your post).

919 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:39:04pm

re: #909 Obdicut

OPEC doesn't have a monopolistic power, since they don't produce anywhere near the majority of the oil in the world.

See, again, man-- you're unable to talk about this subject without immediately saying something completely untrue. OPEC has nothing anywhere near monopolistic power. At all.

So do you just not care that you make mistakes like that?

Opec sets the price and controls the supply. You have a bad habit of calling names and pretending that you are way smarter than you are.
We're done with this.

920 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:39:07pm

re: #908 Dark_Falcon

The in person interviews start tomorrow. I've got two lined up.

Good luck, DF!

921 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:44:12pm

re: #919 Spare O'Lake

They set the price and control the supply of oil?

How do they manage that when they produce less than 50% of the oil in the world?

Jesus christ, you're ballsy about being completely wrong.

And you never, ever explained how not buying their oil would have any effect on them when they can simply sell that oil to other buyers. India isn't going to join with us on an embargo of them any time soon, nor will Japan.

I do like that you repeatedly say that we're done. As Mandy would say, do you have a mouse in your pocket?

922 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:46:20pm

re: #917 Obdicut

Hahaha. You got the IRA backdown confused with the OPEC argument.
I don't care if you retract anything.
We both support Israeli sovereignty and we both agree that there is double standard. So we're cool, right.
Now have a good evening.

923 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:50:57pm

re: #922 Spare O'Lake

I'm not really cool with you, dude, because you say things that are totally factually wrong all the time and don't appear to care.

I don't want you arguing in favor of things I like, because I think you make terrible arguments.

924 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:59:27pm

re: #923 Obdicut

I'm not really cool with you, dude, because you say things that are totally factually wrong all the time and don't appear to care.

I don't want you arguing in favor of things I like, because I think you make terrible arguments.

That wasn't really called for Obdicut. It came across as an unneeded Parthanian Shot.

925 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 8:01:18pm

re: #923 Obdicut

I'm not really cool with you, dude, because you say things that are totally factually wrong all the time and don't appear to care.

I don't want you arguing in favor of things I like, because I think you make terrible arguments.

Okay have it your way, we're not cool. Fuckwad.

926 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 8:24:58pm

re: #924 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry, but I don't give a shit. He doesn't appear to care about whether what he's saying is true or not, at all. I mean exactly what I said.

People who make arguments without caring about their factual basis are bad people.

927 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 8:25:29pm

re: #926 Obdicut

Er, I didn't mean that I don't give a shit about your opinion. I mean that I did, in fact, mean it as a parting shot.

Apologies.

928 simoom  Mon, Mar 15, 2010 9:29:23pm

re: #315 RogueOne

There are too many awareness bracelet colors to keep up so I had to do google search to find out wtf purple stood for

It looks like it's actually the lavender bracelet, which is for general cancer awareness:
[Link: www.choosehope.com...]

I'd guess this one specifically, since it's to support a child:
Image: W103_LAV_A.jpg

929 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:21:19am

re: #913 ausador

The Palestinians had control of "Israel" for several hundred years and did nothing but destroy it, they turned it into even more of a desert wasteland than their ancestors already had. They had no real industry, no widespread sustainable agriculture, they had nothing other than biblical tourism and the making of fake historical trinkets for that market to sustain themselves.

The Israeli's have made a nation, they have created industries, agriculture, planted forests, built new cities. Anyone who argues against the Israeli's right to own and develop their ancestral lands is quite frankly being ludicrously stupid. They have obviously more than earned the right to their lands by the sweat of their brow and their efforts to improve it which have been quite successful.

Yet, given all of that, and no matter how much I say I support Israel, all I have to do is question their further expansion and settlement onto lands already ceded to the Palestinians by treaties they have signed with us and I am seen as anti-semitic?

As far as I know the only ones who are really supporting the expansion of the settlements both politically and financially are the Christian "end-times" dominionists.

You have that only part way correct. Well the first 2 paragraphs are right on.

In the treaty you speak of, Israel agreed to stop building IF Abbas would make serious efforts to crack down and arrest their own terrorist contingent as well as share information on Fatah terrorist activity which he has not done. There are supporters of Hamas within their ranks. You know they had a terrible civil fight in 2007 or 2008.

Also, I personally feel that Bibi is trying to make up for the terrible mess he created in Hebron when he was last PM, for giving up the land to the Arabs at that time. Hebron is a sacred city. Abraham and his family are buried there (except for Rachel).


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