Tuesday Afternoon Music: Bruce Hornsby, ‘In The Low Country’
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Here’s Bruce Hornsby with an excellent solo version of “In the Low Country,” from his latest album Levitate.
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:28:30pm |
June bugs and copperheads? What's he talking about..... it's not Flanders...
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:32:41pm |
re: #1 Thanos
June bugs and copperheads? What's he talking about... it's not Flanders...
South Carolina?
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:40:05pm |
Gotta take our newest furrball to the vet soon, enjoy the afternoon, the music and Keep Laughing Everyone! BBL!
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:41:45pm |
We love our Bobby Labonte
And the WWF
We love our Swaggart and Haggard
And we love the W. the president
There′s love all around us
Our church friends are doing well
And the little mongoloid children
We′ll keep ′em all from hell
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AK-47% Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:44:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:45:37pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
If I had a rocket launcher.
If a had a shiny gun,
I could have a world of fun
Speeding bullets through the brains
Of the folks who give me pains.
Or if I had some poison gas,
I could make the moments pass,
Bumping off a number of
Persons whome I do not love.
But I have no lethal weapon,
Thus does fate our pleasure step on!
So they are alive and well,
Who by all rights should be in hell.
(I know too much Dorothy Parker)
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AK-47% Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:47:21pm |
...If I were a carpenter I'd
Hammer on my piglet, I'd
Collect the seven dollars and I'd
Buy a big prosthetic forehead
And wear it on my real head
Everybody wants prosthetic
Foreheads on their real heads
Everybody wants prosthetic
Foreheads on their real heads
...
They Might Be Giants
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:48:35pm |
re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist
If a had a shiny gun,
I could have a world of fun
Speeding bullets through the brains
Of the folks who give me pains.Or if I had some poison gas,
I could make the moments pass,
Bumping off a number of
Persons whome I do not love.But I have no lethal weapon,
Thus does fate our pleasure step on!
So they are alive and well,
Who by all rights should be in hell.(I know too much Dorothy Parker)
"I could make the world so peaceful and calm" - T. Rundgren
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:50:12pm |
If I had a bulldozer...
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:52:51pm |
re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If I had a dollar for every time that song was linked, I'd have.. a lot of money probably less than a million dollars but still a lot.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:53:59pm |
If I was a rich man...la-dee-da-da-dee-dee-dee-dee-dum...
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:55:30pm |
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:55:47pm |
Love Charles's recent Bruce postings btw. Thankee sir.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:56:23pm |
"If I were a carpenter and you were a douchebag..."
-Christopher Moltisanti
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:56:26pm |
re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If I had a million dollars...
[Video]
My kids had Kraft macaroni and cheese today. If I had a million dollars, they could eat more. With really expensive ketchups.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:56:53pm |
Speaking of the Low Country, I'm fixing Country Captain for dinner tonight. Got the braising liquid pretty much done, and it is good enough to just drink straight outta the pot.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:56:58pm |
You don't have to be a Prostitute, you can say no to being a Bro-ho
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:57:15pm |
re: #20 EmmmieG
My kids had Kraft macaroni and cheese today. If I had a million dollars, they could eat more. With really expensive ketchups.
mustard. DIJON mustard!!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:58:13pm |
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 1:58:20pm |
Did anyone see World's Greatest Dad? Robin Williams has this obnoxious kid. The kid says "Bruce Hornsby's a fag" when the dad is trying to listen to his music on the way to work. (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't yet seen the film)
When the kid dies he tells everyone he was a Hornsby fan, and all the admiring girls become Hornsby fans, and Hornsby plays at the kid's memorial service when they dedicate the school library to him. Bobcat Goldthwait directed.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:00:28pm |
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:00:51pm |
re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist
No such thing as knowing too much Dorothy Parker.
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compound idaho Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:01:23pm |
re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Career day today at the elementary school where my wife teaches. Tells me one of the 1st graders came dresses at what appeared to be a prostitute. She did not have the nerve to ask!
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:01:56pm |
re: #24 Aceofwhat?
piss off. YELLOW mustard!!
I have to keep three jars of mustard in my fridge because of mustard wars.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:01:57pm |
re: #28 compound idaho
Career day today at the elementary school where my wife teaches. Tells me one of the 1st graders came dresses at what appeared to be a prostitute. She did not have the nerve to ask!
Paris Hilton probably. What some girls are aspiring to. UGH.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:02:56pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
Paris Hilton probably. What some girls are aspiring to. UGH.
There was a great South Park episode about that.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:04:03pm |
re: #25 Silvergirl
Did anyone see World's Greatest Dad? Robin Williams has this obnoxious kid. The kid says "Bruce Hornsby's a fag" when the dad is trying to listen to his music on the way to work. (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't yet seen the film)
When the kid dies he tells everyone he was a Hornsby fan, and all the admiring girls become Hornsby fans, and Hornsby plays at the kid's memorial service when they dedicate the school library to him. Bobcat Goldthwait directed.
Wait a sec - Bobcat Goldthwait can be coherent?
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:04:12pm |
re: #28 compound idaho
Career day today at the elementary school where my wife teaches. Tells me one of the 1st graders came dresses at what appeared to be a prostitute. She did not have the nerve to ask!
Probably dressed up as Miley Cyrus. Not a lot of wardrobe difference there.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:04:58pm |
re: #29 Silvergirl
I have to keep three jars of mustard in my fridge because of mustard wars.
One yellow and two dijon, including Ed McCaffrey's creamy dijon. The Kid would eat it alone if I let him.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:05:56pm |
I just created a Pandora station with Bruce Hornsby as a seed. I think I'll like this station - think I'll keep it.
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compound idaho Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:05:57pm |
re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Probably dressed up as Miley Cyrus. Not a lot of wardrobe difference there.
Where does a 1st grader get 3" spiked heals?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:05:59pm |
re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Probably dressed up as Miley Cyrus. Not a lot of wardrobe difference there.
Oh you are so right! Bottom line, be famous.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:06:18pm |
re: #21 SixDegrees
Speaking of the Low Country, I'm fixing Country Captain for dinner tonight. Got the braising liquid pretty much done, and it is good enough to just drink straight outta the pot.
That looks like a tasty combination of spices.
I'm thinking of this good looking entree for St. Pat's. I don't think I'm on for corned beef and cabbage this year, and this is sort of on the Irish side. They even have a little video of how to make it. I need to make a decision fast.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:07:35pm |
If you only read one article today this should be the one.....
Bring it on, Ayn Rand geeks
Why the emergence of the libertarian right is good news for progressives
By Michael Lind
..... bring it on, geeky disciples of Ayn Rand. Gird thy loins and put on thy Spock ears. Demand the abolition of Social Security and Medicare! Call for reducing the U.S. military to the Coast Guard! Insist on tolling every highway and street in America and selling America's infrastructure assets to foreign corporations and foreign sovereign wealth funds! Go Galt!
Bring it on! Even confined to a wheelchair, Franklin Roosevelt can defeat Ayn Rand.
It's worth reading the whole thing. I think he really nails it.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:08:02pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Garlic Peppercorn and Wasabi blend mustard.
I was at a party once where they had kinds of dips and food.. I took at chip and dipped a huge amount of what I thought was Avocado Dip and ate it..It was wassabi dip.. It was an ugly scene.. I was spitting it out and everybody was laughing at me.
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AK-47% Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:08:17pm |
re: #35 MandyManners
One yellow and two dijon, including Ed McCaffrey's creamy dijon. The Kid would eat it alone if I let him.
I believe that Obama was once criticized for his preference of "elitist" Dijon mustard...
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:08:58pm |
re: #41 HoosierHoops
I was at a party once where they had kinds of dips and food.. I took at chip and dipped a huge amount of what I thought was Avocado Dip and ate it..It was wassabi dip.. It was an ugly scene.. I was spitting it out and everybody was laughing at me.
Mmmm...homemade guacamole...i admit to making the occasional meal out of that on a lazy weekend...
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:09:43pm |
re: #33 Aceofwhat?
Wait a sec - Bobcat Goldthwait can be coherent?
Yes, surprisingly! I watched the clips after the movie.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:09:50pm |
17-year veteran Dallas County jailer fired. Why?
Stephen Johnson, 59, had been disciplined for making offensive comments in the past, records show. He was fired Jan. 20 for conduct unbecoming an officer and for lying to internal affairs during the investigation.
Hmm, that could be a problem! But, what did he say in the first place that was so offensive?
In October, he interrupted a private conversation among jail staff and "interjected his own opinions," telling them all gays should be annihilated, sheriff's reports show. He also said that whites were the superior race and that he supported slavery, reports show.
Major party foul, bro. But wait! There's more.
"I believe that all dinosaurs were born of Satanic angel who has sex with woman and the animal kingdom that created ungodly reptilian creatures none of these were on the Ark," Johnson said.
Well, we've found our next SBOE chairman.
Johnson also said that he didn't believe in homosexuality and "that they should be put to death," according to his statement. But he said his beliefs don't lead him to treat gays differently.
I'm sure.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:10:08pm |
re: #42 ralphieboy
I believe that Obama was once criticized for his preference of "elitist" Dijon mustard...
Just silly.
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compound idaho Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:10:28pm |
I'm off. Opening day of HS baseball in southeastern Idaho!! Actually last Friday was, but too much snow on the home field. Away game today. Life is indeed very good. Everyone enjoy it while you can.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:11:04pm |
re: #47 compound idaho
I'm off. Opening day of HS baseball in southeastern Idaho!! Actually last Friday was, but too much snow on the home field. Away game today. Life is indeed very good. Everyone enjoy it while you can.
Have fun!
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sngnsgt Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:12:04pm |
re: #42 ralphieboy
I believe that Obama was once criticized for his preference of "elitist" Dijon mustard...
Now that's just salty and bitter! :-(
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AK-47% Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:12:08pm |
re: #41 HoosierHoops
I was at a party once where they had kinds of dips and food.. I took at chip and dipped a huge amount of what I thought was Avocado Dip and ate it..It was wassabi dip.. It was an ugly scene.. I was spitting it out and everybody was laughing at me.
europeans do not know fried onion rings, but are big on fried squid rings. I remember my first reaction when i bit into one...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:13:10pm |
re: #39 Silvergirl
I'm thinking of this good looking entree for St. Pat's. I don't think I'm on for corned beef and cabbage this year, and this is sort of on the Irish side. They even have a little video of how to make it. I need to make a decision fast.
Interesting looking. Sort of a giant Reuben hot pocket. I've never done meat/cabbage rolls/dumplings of that size, so I'm not sure how well the bread dough will bake out in the center with the meat and 'kraut there to get moisture from.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:13:14pm |
re: #42 ralphieboy
I believe that Obama was once criticized for his preference of "elitist" Dijon mustard...
Malkin was getting kind of punchy that week. She also objected to the gherkins.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:13:20pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
Paris Hilton probably. What some girls are aspiring to. UGH.
One of my girls wants to be a police officer, the other wants to be Xena.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:13:34pm |
re: #50 ralphieboy
europeans do not know fried onion rings, but are big on fried squid rings. I remember my first reaction when i bit into one...
heh. do you know what you get when you order "filet americain" in Belgium?
(no googling)
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:14:02pm |
re: #35 MandyManners
One yellow and two dijon, including Ed McCaffrey's creamy dijon. The Kid would eat it alone if I let him.
This is my mustard. It's used sparingly, but if I'm not feeling up to the kick, it's the basic yellow French's.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:14:22pm |
re: #55 Aceofwhat?
heh. do you know what you get when you order "filet americain" in Belgium?
(no googling)
A hamburger?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:14:23pm |
re: #45 negativ
I have nothing to add that is an improvement on his self-parody. Wow.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:14:23pm |
re: #28 compound idaho
Career day today at the elementary school where my wife teaches. Tells me one of the 1st graders came dresses at what appeared to be a prostitute. She did not have the nerve to ask!
Junior Miss America contestant.
Incredible how the parents tart them up.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:14:49pm |
re: #56 Silvergirl
This is my mustard. It's used sparingly, but if I'm not feeling up to the kick, it's the basic yellow French's.
Hot and sweet. Like I like my men.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:14:57pm |
re: #56 Silvergirl
This is my mustard. It's used sparingly, but if I'm not feeling up to the kick, it's the basic yellow French's.
Isn't that from California.. The North Coast?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:15:14pm |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
A hamburger?
raw ground beef
mayonnaise
onion and garlic-based seasoning
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:15:39pm |
OK, did I act out downstairs with BJ and the embargo? I just wanted to put a dumbass rumor to rest.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:16:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:16:28pm |
re: #62 Aceofwhat?
raw ground beef
mayonnaise
onion and garlic-based seasoning
Raw ground beef? Interesting.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:16:55pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, did I act out downstairs with BJ and the embargo? I just wanted to put a dumbass rumor to rest.
Nope. Not even a little bit.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:17:30pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, did I act out downstairs with BJ and the embargo? I just wanted to put a dumbass rumor to rest.
THEY'RE EMBARGOING BJS??? NOOO!!!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:17:49pm |
re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist
Raw ground beef? Interesting.
Exactly. It's one of the least american dishes i can imagine. I laughed my badonkadonk off when i saw it the first time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:18:37pm |
re: #66 Aceofwhat?
Nope. Not even a little bit.
Thanks. I sometimes wonder, when I think I'm tracking down facts, and someone starts to get all huffed up.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:19:13pm |
re: #59 ryannon
Junior Miss America contestant.
Incredible how the parents tart them up.
Talk Soup does a nice job skewering them, imho...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:20:18pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, did I act out downstairs with BJ and the embargo? I just wanted to put a dumbass rumor to rest.
Not at all. Must nip rumors in the bud.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:20:25pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks. I sometimes wonder, when I think I'm tracking down facts, and someone starts to get all huffed up.
the miasma of melodrama in there would put a room of cologne-drenched teenagers to shame...
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:20:54pm |
re: #62 Aceofwhat?
raw ground beef
mayonnaise
onion and garlic-based seasoning
Steak Tartar with the egg whipped instead of raw, stupid fereigners don't know how to do anything right//
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:20:56pm |
Yesterday, my youngest girl was talking about how she was playing with a boy in another class named PJ all the time at recess and my wife joked PJ must be her new boyfriend.
My daughter got real quiet and completely serious. "PJ is my sworn enemy. I will destroy him."
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:21:39pm |
re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You don't have to be a Prostitute, you can say no to being a Bro-ho
[Video]
That was funny. Not exactly Roxanne, but it's got something.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:21:58pm |
re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yesterday, my youngest girl was talking about how she was playing with a boy in another class named PJ all the time at recess and my wife joked PJ must be her new boyfriend.
My daughter got real quiet and completely serious. "PJ is my sworn enemy. I will destroy him."
That's kind of scary. Did you talk to her about that?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:22:26pm |
re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yesterday, my youngest girl was talking about how she was playing with a boy in another class named PJ all the time at recess and my wife joked PJ must be her new boyfriend.
My daughter got real quiet and completely serious. "PJ is my sworn enemy. I will destroy him."
You're raising her right...
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:22:35pm |
re: #61 HoosierHoops
Isn't that from California.. The North Coast?
Yes. Down south from me, a state away.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:23:23pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, did I act out downstairs with BJ and the embargo? I just wanted to put a dumbass rumor to rest.
No. People don't have a right to maintain their pet lies here in the face of clear, unambiguous, demonstrable truth.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:23:33pm |
re: #76 Walter L. Newton
That's kind of scary. Did you talk to her about that?
She's 6. All boys are evil right now.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:24:05pm |
re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
She's 6. All boys are evil right now.
Boy cooties are a bad as girl cooties.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:24:39pm |
re: #78 Silvergirl
Yes. Down south from me, a state away.
An Oregon Girl! I turned 21 at Whales Cove on the coast..Love your state
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:26:13pm |
re: #76 Walter L. Newton
That's kind of scary. Did you talk to her about that?
OFF TO THE COUNSELOR WITH HER!
PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:26:47pm |
re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
She's 6. All boys are evil right now.
That is so cute..Kids are so cool until they turn into teenagers.. The job gets so much harder then
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:27:00pm |
re: #82 HoosierHoops
An Oregon Girl! I turned 21 at Whales Cove on the coast..Love your state
Near Depoe Bay? I'm sure I've been there.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:27:11pm |
re: #79 goddamnedfrank
No. People don't have a right to maintain their pet lies here in the face of clear, unambiguous, demonstrable truth.
it was the fainting spell in the face of demonstrable truth that rubbed me wrong...sometimes a pet lie can take a little time to dissolve...but it's different IMHO when people complain that the junk in their trunk is aching from all of the facts.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:27:31pm |
re: #83 ryannon
OFF TO THE COUNSELOR WITH HER!
PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!
Forget I said anything.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:28:14pm |
re: #87 Walter L. Newton
Forget I said anything.
Nothing you write on the Internets is ever forgotten.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:29:03pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:29:23pm |
Woof!!
[Link: www.nationaljewelernetwork.com...]
March 16, 2010-Today's News
Jeweler on scoop duty after dog eats $20K diamond
A dog with a nose for fine stones has turned out to be a real publicity hound after swallowing a diamond worth $20,000 at a Maryland jewelry store.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:29:50pm |
re: #85 Silvergirl
Near Depoe Bay? I'm sure I've been there.
One mile away! I turned 21 here:
[Link: www.whalecoveinn.com...]
*waves*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:29:53pm |
re: #42 ralphieboy
I believe that Obama was once criticized for his preference of "elitist" Dijon mustard...
Also for his elitist drinking of orange juice instead of coffee. Also OMG ARUGULA
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:30:33pm |
re: #83 ryannon
OFF TO THE COUNSELOR WITH HER!
PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!
Obviously. Meanwhile, she's a 1st grader reading and writing at a 3rd grade level who the teacher has help the other students because she's so friendly and helpful. Obviously all the signs of a dangerous sociopath.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:30:38pm |
re: #90 Rightwingconspirator
Woof!!
[Link: www.nationaljewelernetwork.com...]
March 16, 2010-Today's News
Jeweler on scoop duty after dog eats $20K diamond
A dog with a nose for fine stones has turned out to be a real publicity hound after swallowing a diamond worth $20,000 at a Maryland jewelry store.
Gives new meaning to the stoner phrase "Dude, that's some expensive shit."
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:30:49pm |
re: #86 Aceofwhat?
it was the fainting spell in the face of demonstrable truth that rubbed me wrong...sometimes a pet lie can take a little time to dissolve...but it's different IMHO when people complain that the junk in their trunk is aching from all of the facts.
Oxycontin is a hell of a drug.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:31:00pm |
re: #91 HoosierHoops
One mile away! I turned 21 here:
[Link: www.whalecoveinn.com...]
*waves*
Sweet! A perfect place to turn 21.
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webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:31:53pm |
re: #70 Aceofwhat?
Talk Soup does a nice job skewering them, imho...
Everything I know about reality TV (except for Project Runway and Top Chef) I learned from Talk Soup.
I love that show.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:32:01pm |
A quick dip back into the "If I had..." theme upthread:
If I had half a brain, I'd take a much closer look at what Microsoft Live Lab's Pivot Project:
Yowza!
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:32:08pm |
re: #90 Rightwingconspirator
Woof!!
[Link: www.nationaljewelernetwork.com...]
March 16, 2010-Today's News
Jeweler on scoop duty after dog eats $20K diamond
A dog with a nose for fine stones has turned out to be a real publicity hound after swallowing a diamond worth $20,000 at a Maryland jewelry store.
Can you imagine how shitty that jewler was when the dog ate his diamond?
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:33:13pm |
re: #95 goddamnedfrank
Oxycontin is a hell of a drug.
"Remember, don't do crack, kids-- it's a ghetto drug."
/Bob Roberts
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:33:16pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
Also for his elitist drinking of orange juice instead of coffee. Also OMG ARUGULA
Rule #26: Don't trust anyone who doesn't drink coffee.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:34:05pm |
re: #99 RogueOne
Can you imagine how shitty that jewler was when the dog ate his diamond?
I'm sure he was on guard all gloved up with the pooper pickups, not letting the dog get more than an arm's length from him.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:34:20pm |
re: #97 webevintage
Everything I know about reality TV (except for Project Runway and Top Chef) I learned from Talk Soup.
I love that show.
Do you watch Community? I'm impressed at how well McHale transitioned to a sitcom.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:34:33pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
Also for his elitist drinking of orange juice instead of coffee. Also OMG ARUGULA
OK, the arugula thing was funny.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:34:55pm |
re: #103 Aceofwhat?
Do you watch Community? I'm impressed at how well McHale transitioned to a sitcom.
Excellent ensemble there.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:35:07pm |
re: #101 RogueOne
Rule #26: Don't trust anyone who doesn't drink coffee.
I would love coffee except for the fact it tastes like coffee.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:35:15pm |
re: #95 goddamnedfrank
Oxycontin is a hell of a drug.
Eh, a little fiber will clean out all that stoppage...
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:35:20pm |
re: #103 Aceofwhat?
Do you watch Community? I'm impressed at how well McHale transitioned to a sitcom.
Somebody texted me last week to remind me...Good show
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:35:31pm |
re: #39 Silvergirl
That looks like a tasty combination of spices.
I'm thinking of this good looking entree for St. Pat's. I don't think I'm on for corned beef and cabbage this year, and this is sort of on the Irish side. They even have a little video of how to make it. I need to make a decision fast.
That looks good.
People eat on St. Patrick's day?
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:36:16pm |
re: #109 SixDegrees
That looks good.
People eat on St. Patrick's day?
Come on now, life is more than green beer.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:37:05pm |
re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I would love coffee except for the fact it tastes like coffee.
Tell your daughter to put you on the list too.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:37:21pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:37:46pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:37:49pm |
re: #99 Someday a bride will proudly wear it at her wedding.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:38:12pm |
re: #113 HoosierHoops
And pie!
One of the math teachers is celebrating Pi Day Observed, today. His students got extra credit for bringing in pie, and the kids are eating it in class.
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webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:38:25pm |
*pout*
I just opened up the census envelope and it is the short one.
I love filling stuff like that out.
I need to find someone to trade with....
(not really, but I wish you could)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:38:54pm |
re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the math teachers is celebrating Pi Day Observed, today. His students got extra credit for bringing in pie, and the kids are eating it in class.
Kids in my class would always get extra credit for bringing in pie.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:40:05pm |
re: #119 RogueOne
Now that's progressive thinking! Uh... optimistic I mean.
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webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:40:11pm |
re: #103 Aceofwhat?
Do you watch Community? I'm impressed at how well McHale transitioned to a sitcom.
Oh hells yeah.
That and Modern Family are the best new shows on TV.
And probably the funniest.
(not counting cable and no, I don't think The Office is funny)
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:40:35pm |
re: #112 RogueOne
Tell your daughter to put you on the list too.
She likes mochas. I'll have to wait till she is older till I can explain the fine subtleties of beer to her.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:40:55pm |
re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Kids in my class would always get extra credit for bringing in pie.
Every day is Pie Day in FBV 101.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:41:03pm |
re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the math teachers is celebrating Pi Day Observed, today. His students got extra credit for bringing in pie, and the kids are eating it in class.
If Dinosaur Comics has taught me anything, it's that Pi Approximation Day is more my speed.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:41:12pm |
re: #102 Silvergirl
I hope the dog is not hurt, the diamond is sharp! It's a job for a vet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:41:14pm |
re: #117 webevintage
*pout*
I just opened up the census envelope and it is the short one.
I love filling stuff like that out.
I need to find someone to trade with...
(not really, but I wish you could)
Two things my mother and I were discussing last night:
1. It tells you to fill it out and send it back immediately, but asks about your household as of April 1. Two weeks is a long time in some American households. Why didn't they send it out later?
2. You say if you ARE or ARE NOT Latino in one question, and if you ARE Latino, you say what kind. Then, the next question asks you for your race.
If you are, say, Chicano, what do you put for race?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:41:15pm |
re: #122 webevintage
Better Off Ted, The Big Bang Theory are also very good.
An exceptional crop in the past couple of years, IMO.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:42:04pm |
re: #122 webevintage
Oh hells yeah.
That and Modern Family are the best new shows on TV.
And probably the funniest.
(not counting cable and no, I don't think The Office is funny)
Nice.
I'd add Dollhouse to the list...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:42:31pm |
re: #126 Rightwingconspirator
I hope the dog is not hurt, the diamond is sharp! It's a job for a vet.
I just have a feeling that I am the kind of dog owner whose dog would eat a $20,000 diamond.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:42:44pm |
Is linking to Kos a bad thing here? A pal sent me a story and it deserves a fisking.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:43:09pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Better Off Ted, The Big Bang Theory are also very good.
An exceptional crop in the past couple of years, IMO.
There is only one show on TV.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:43:18pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Better Off Ted, The Big Bang Theory are also very good.
An exceptional crop in the past couple of years, IMO.
Burn Notice..Royal pains and the new V
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:43:28pm |
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webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:07pm |
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:17pm |
re: #131 Rightwingconspirator
Is linking to Kos a bad thing here? A pal sent me a story and it deserves a fisking.
Nope. Charles has linked Kos himself many times, both positively and negatively, as whichever is warranted.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:25pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
Well it is low fat...
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webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:33pm |
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:45pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
There is only one show on TV.
Sounds like you live in North Korea.
Sorry Walter, it's just one of those nights. Nothing personal.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:58pm |
re: #133 HoosierHoops
Burn Notice..Royal pains and the new V
Morena Baccarin cutting her hair was a sad day, though...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:44:59pm |
re: #129 Aceofwhat?
Nice.
I'd add Dollhouse to the list...
Are you kidding. My step-critter gave me season one on DVD for Xmas, we just finished watching it last week, and there was that stupid added episode that is basically a spoiler for a lot of season two.
What the fuck was the producer thinking in adding a unaired episode that gives away the backstory to the next season.
Now no one in the house wants to watch season two.
And the acting stinks.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:45:18pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Better Off Ted, The Big Bang Theory are also very good.
An exceptional crop in the past couple of years, IMO.
I've only seen a couple of Big Bang Theory episodes. I like the one where the main character is feeling threatened by the new teenage prodigy from North Korea, and starts trying to bring peace to the Middle East, because he's clearly not going to get the physics Nobel now.
He comes up with a plan to create a scale replica of Israel in the Sonoran Desert and persuade all the Israelis to go there. You see him accosting Jews in the department for the rest of the episode, asking how they would feel about the new Israel. They all tell him to please go away.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:45:57pm |
re: #131 Rightwingconspirator
Is linking to Kos a bad thing here? A pal sent me a story and it deserves a fisking.
I don't think folks mind much.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:45:57pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:46:17pm |
re: #101 RogueOne
Rule #26: Don't trust anyone who doesn't drink coffee.
hahah that means me now, because it does bad things to my plumbing :D I used to slam two pots of coffee a day. I switched to energy drinks about a year ago (local ones, none of that fizzy Red Bull stuff) and I am a happy creature.
I still drink coffee as an after dinner thing, or as part of a mixed drink, but it's not my delivery system for caffeine anymore.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:46:32pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:46:56pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:47:06pm |
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:47:31pm |
Totally random funny nirther sign.
Caveat: I no longer remember where I found this but it was ages ago. I would like to think it's not even real, but previous evidence of signs suggests a high probability that some of us kain't spel 2 gud.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:47:38pm |
re: #139 ryannon
Sounds like you live in North Korea.
Sorry Walter, it's just one of those nights. Nothing personal.
North Korea is a modern state, with two channels! Channel 1 is an Army Colonel telling you what a great country North Korea is. Channel 2 is an Army Colonel telling you to turn the channel back to Channel 1.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:47:45pm |
re: #141 Walter L. Newton
Are you kidding. My step-critter gave me season one on DVD for Xmas, we just finished watching it last week, and there was that stupid added episode that is basically a spoiler for a lot of season two.
What the fuck was the producer thinking in adding a unaired episode that gives away the backstory to the next season.
Now no one in the house wants to watch season two.
And the acting stinks.
I'm no Eliza Dushku fan, but Olivia Williams, Fran Kranz, and Summer Glau (especially Olivia and Summer, who is in Season 2) take a back seat to no one, my good man...
come on - Olivia Williams! Rushmore! How is she not awesome on a plate?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:48:39pm |
re: #147 WindUpBird
Knight Rider!
I've mentioned this many times, I don't watch ANY TV except for the one hour of LOST every week.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:48:42pm |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
Cool... is that back on?
I wish!
My partner and I were coming up with all the vehicle-centric action shows in the 80's. We had Knight Rider, Automan, Streethawk, the A*Team, Airwolf, The Highwayman, Viper (okay, that was '90) and...I think that's where we stopped. I watched all of them.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:48:58pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Better Off Ted, The Big Bang Theory are also very good.
An exceptional crop in the past couple of years, IMO.
Do you know if Better Off Ted is coming back? I know their ratings were low, and it's been yanked to make room for Lost. I love that show, and would hate to see it canceled.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:49:11pm |
re: #146 WindUpBird
hahah that means me now, because it does bad things to my plumbing :D I used to slam two pots of coffee a day. I switched to energy drinks about a year ago (local ones, none of that fizzy Red Bull stuff) and I am a happy creature.
I still drink coffee as an after dinner thing, or as part of a mixed drink, but it's not my delivery system for caffeine anymore.
I thought drinking coffee would be mandatory in your neighborhood. State law.
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AK-47% Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:50:03pm |
re: #154 WindUpBird
I wish!
My partner and I were coming up with all the vehicle-centric action shows in the 80's. We had Knight Rider, Automan, Streethawk, the A*Team, Airwolf, The Highwayman, Viper (okay, that was '90) and...I think that's where we stopped. I watched all of them.
I was wating for a modern remake of the 60's classic "My Mother The Car", with the ghost of a GI mom killed in Iraq coming back as the sat nav voice in her family's new Humvee
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:50:12pm |
re: #153 Walter L. Newton
I've mentioned this many times, I don't watch ANY TV except for the one hour of LOST every week.
I know. i just wanted an excuse to bring up Knight Rider ^_^
I watch a little TV, but probably less than 6 hours a week, if you don't count me leaving cable news or CSI on at work in the background.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:50:21pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
I just have a feeling that I am the kind of dog owner whose dog would eat a $20,000 diamond.
A cat would eat the diamond, and never shit it out.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:51:04pm |
re: #152 Aceofwhat?
I'm no Eliza Dushku fan, but Olivia Williams, Fran Kranz, and Summer Glau (especially Olivia and Summer, who is in Season 2) take a back seat to no one, my good man...
come on - Olivia Williams! Rushmore! How is she not awesome on a plate?
And what the hell is up with those names? No one simple American sounding name. Does Josh demand that they make up some silly-assed name if they want to work for him.
And really, I don't watch shows just to look at the flesh. Honestly, I'm interested in character driven plots with decent writing.
Dollhouse stinks... and don't even get me started on Firefly.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:51:13pm |
re: #156 RogueOne
I thought drinking coffee would be mandatory in your neighborhood. State law.
You just don't mention it, otherwise they scream and point at you like bodysnatchers.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:51:54pm |
re: #159 Alouette
A cat would eat the diamond, and never shit it out.
...until threatened. Then it would puke it out, in your shoe.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:52:05pm |
re: #158 WindUpBird
I know. i just wanted an excuse to bring up Knight Rider ^_^
I watch a little TV, but probably less than 6 hours a week, if you don't count me leaving cable news or CSI on at work in the background.
I use to leave cable news on in the background, all the time, until a lot of cable news started to sound like a carnival sideshow.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:52:19pm |
re: #160 Walter L. Newton
And what the hell is up with those names? No one simple American sounding name. Does Josh demand that they make up some silly-assed name if they want to work for him.
And really, I don't watch shows just to look at the flesh. Honestly, I'm interested in character driven plots with decent writing.
Dollhouse stinks... and don't even get me started on Firefly.
I don't watch Olivia to look at the flesh. I watch Olivia to look at the craft...
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:52:31pm |
re: #158 WindUpBird
I know. i just wanted an excuse to bring up Knight Rider ^_^
I watch a little TV, but probably less than 6 hours a week, if you don't count me leaving cable news or CSI on at work in the background.
There's some guy in my neighbourhood who cruises down the street blaring the Knight Rider theme late at night.
I'm kind of fond of him now. Beats the fish and chips van in Scotland that blares "Dixie".
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:53:02pm |
re: #153 Walter L. Newton
I've mentioned this many times, I don't watch ANY TV except for the one hour of LOST every week.
That surprises me...I first found out about blogging by watching Blog wars 2 on the Sundance channel...I have around a thousand channels and scan most of them for interesting things..
You are knowledgeable and well rounded Walter.. I'm surprised...
Hope today finds you well
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:53:08pm |
re: #160 Walter L. Newton
Wow, Walter, you get really cranky when no one will fight with you.
I liked the American-sounding names bit. It made the least sense, but was the most funny.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:53:23pm |
re: #164 Aceofwhat?
I don't watch Olivia to look at the flesh. I watch Olivia to look at the craft...
Ia that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:53:36pm |
re: #165 iceweasel
There's some guy in my neighbourhood who cruises down the street blaring the Knight Rider theme late at night.
I'm kind of fond of him now. Beats the fish and chips van in Scotland that blares "Dixie".
Is he driving a black 80's trans am? :D
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webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:53:49pm |
re: #141 Walter L. Newton
Are you kidding. My step-critter gave me season one on DVD for Xmas, we just finished watching it last week, and there was that stupid added episode that is basically a spoiler for a lot of season two.
OK.
I forced myself to keep watching because I love Joss...and it was hard, but once they found out they were being canceled, the show just got so much better. IMHO it should have been a mini-series instead.
(and yeah, I think Eliza Dushku is a pretty lousy actress)
I very much liked the second season, but I watched TIVO's so did not get spoiled with that 13th ep.
The 13th episode:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:54:19pm |
re: #164 Aceofwhat?
I don't watch Olivia to look at the flesh. I watch Olivia to look at the craft...
Uh - I just ran her through Google Images. Is it OK if I watch to look at the flesh? I'll pay attention to the craft, too, if that's a requirement.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:55:29pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:55:44pm |
re: #170 webevintage
OK.
I forced myself to keep watching because I love Joss...and it was hard, but once they found out they were being canceled, the show just got so much better. IMHO it should have been a mini-series instead.
(and yeah, I think Eliza Dushku is a pretty lousy actress)
I very much liked the second season, but I watched TIVO's so did not get spoiled with that 13th ep.The 13th episode:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I didn't hate the show, I just thought it was sort of standard TV fare. Maybe I should blame it on my step-critter, since the kids are BIG fans, but there is no way I should have watched that 13th episode. But the kids thought the idea was cool.
Ruined all of it for me in the future.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:55:59pm |
re: #167 Obdicut
Wow, Walter, you get really cranky when no one will fight with you.
I liked the American-sounding names bit. It made the least sense, but was the most funny.
Yawn.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:56:00pm |
re: #171 SixDegrees
Uh - I just ran her through Google Images. Is it OK if I watch to look at the flesh? I'll pay attention to the craft, too, if that's a requirement.
Tsk. Watch Morena Baccarin in Firefly episodes for the flesh. Watch Olivia act.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:56:31pm |
re: #169 WindUpBird
Is he driving a black 80's trans am? :D
I really hope so. Never bothered to go look. (it's usually when I'm sleeping).
He hasn't been back in a while, but it's been going on for a couple of years, generally in the summer.
When the KR theme wakes me again, I'll know spring is really here. :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:57:01pm |
re: #173 SixDegrees
Excellent. After Lost finishes?
Oops. Maybe not.
In 2009, the series was nominated for the Emmy Award for Best Comedy Series. Better Off Ted has aired 11 out of the 13 episodes produced for the second season. There has been no official confirmation that the program has been canceled.
Oh, poop. I hope not.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:57:21pm |
re: #136 iceweasel
My post and reply to my pal who sent this to me...
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
IMHO Glaring Omissions
Yes reform is critically necessary. Donna and I are now both uninsured and we both have pre existing conditions. So we are well aware!
My flu is making me really grumpy. With that serious caveat/apology-Glaring omissions can be found below- Kos left out all the other factors. I'll be perfectly happy if Rush moves to wherever. Just as long as the far lefties who promised the same long ago over a duly re-elected President will keep their word and get the hell up to Canada. Example 1a- Seann Penn can go the f*&k away and stay away. Wishing his critics die screaming of rectal cancer (in a time where Farrah Fawcett had just passed) is contemptible beyond all language. And is way past any outrageous quotes actually uttered by Rush. IMO
Assuming these guys in DC have a good fix in the works is far, very far from a safe assumption. Pelosi and Reid in charge? Yeah right. But sorry, partisan screeds are in fact a real additional obstacle, certainly from the Right as Palin "death panels", and now I see from one of the most highly respected partisan Dem blogs. It may be interesting to see what happens if I post my argument with his point there. But that would be trolling I fear. And the end of my account.
Quoting a part that shows the left may be on exactly the wrong track thinking the folks in DC can sort this out-Medicare is single payer right?
"Burdensome bureaucratic procedures in Medicaid enrollment substantially delay access to vital prenatal care for pregnant women seeking government-funded care."
I'm not pulling this out of the air.
[Link: www.cdc.gov...]
Although stillbirth occurs in families of all races, ethnicities, and income levels, some women are at higher risk for having a stillbirth. Some of the risk factors associated with stillbirth are being of black race, 35 years of age or older, being obese, smoking, and having certain medical conditions such as hypertension or diabetes. These factors are associated with other adverse pregnancy outcomes, as well, such as prematurity.
SNIP
Lumping all that in with reform is at best intellectually questionable. Somebody please tell me where reform will make black women less genetically vulnerable, the poor less poor or will cure diabetes.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 2:57:34pm |
re: #158 WindUpBird
I know. i just wanted an excuse to bring up Knight Rider ^_^
I watch a little TV, but probably less than 6 hours a week, if you don't count me leaving cable news or CSI on at work in the background.
I never saw an episode of Knight Rider.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:00:12pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:00:36pm |
Afternoon lizards. I've been in training all day. What's new?
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:01:03pm |
re: #171 SixDegrees
Uh - I just ran her through Google Images. Is it OK if I watch to look at the flesh? I'll pay attention to the craft, too, if that's a requirement.
Another exceptional beauty and a fine actress as well: Natascha McElhone:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:01:04pm |
"Veridian Dynamics is at the forefront of feminist issues. Before we started dumping waste into the oceans only fifty percent of fish had female genitalia. Now it's up to eighty-five!"
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:01:26pm |
re: #164 Aceofwhat?
I don't watch Olivia to look at the flesh. I watch Olivia to look at the craft...
The ONLY actor on that show that has any acting chops is the guy playing Alpha.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:02:31pm |
re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Veridian Dynamics is at the forefront of feminist issues. Before we started dumping waste into the oceans only fifty percent of fish had female genitalia. Now it's up to eighty-five!"
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:03:35pm |
re: #182 SixDegrees
You missed nothing.
Just like the A Team..
We need a bottom 10 list of all the worst shows in History...
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:03:51pm |
re: #180 Rightwingconspirator
Just took a look-- couple of caveats here:
First, it isn't Kos. That is, not Markos. It's dKos, which is a diary, (this one is by someone calling themselves angrymouse). Anyone can have a dKos post. You, me, whoever. Just register an acct and you can post diaries within a week.
Second: I haven't yet read the Amnesty Report that person is talking about, but I'm not yet seeing how your email to your friend addresses anything in it, or in angrymouse's diary.
this isn't to say that your points aren't possibly relevant to the broader issue of HCR in general, though. I'm sort of worn out on the HCR debate issue at the moment, I'm afraid.
Hope you and your honey are recovering from the flu, btw.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:05:07pm |
re: #189 HoosierHoops
Just like the A Team..
We need a bottom 10 list of all the worst shows in History...
Nobody (admittedly) watched "The Love Boat" or "Fantasy Island" yet they always made it into the top ten ratings.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:05:11pm |
Evening, all. We just finished our census, so there's a Hellfire with our numbers on it. That sort of brings back the warm childhood memory of "duck and cover".
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:05:17pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:06:33pm |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nobody (admittedly) watched "The Love Boat" or "Fantasy Island" yet they always made it into the top ten ratings.
Honestly, I never saw a single episode.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:07:09pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
Oh, I believe you. I'm afraid I can't say the same.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:07:23pm |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nobody (admittedly) watched "The Love Boat" or "Fantasy Island" yet they always made it into the top ten ratings.
Nobody ever watched the Walton's either, but everyone was bidding goodnight to John-Boy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:07:37pm |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, I believe you. I'm afraid I can't say the same.
In my defense... there were only three channels back then...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:07:48pm |
Just finished my own census report.
*Looks out window. No black helicopters. Goes back to desk to wait for helicopters.*
(Note: I'm cheating. I live 1/2 mile from an airport.)
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:07:55pm |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nobody (admittedly) watched "The Love Boat" or "Fantasy Island" yet they always made it into the top ten ratings.
I did. Of course I didn't control the TV back then either.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:08:33pm |
re: #196 Silvergirl
Nobody ever watched the Walton's either, but everyone was bidding goodnight to John-Boy.
I met the guy who Jim-Bob Walton is based on.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:08:39pm |
re: #192 Decatur Deb
Evening, all. We just finished our census, so there's a Hellfire with our numbers on it. That sort of brings back the warm childhood memory of "duck and cover".
Stand by DD
The Sat GPS numbers are down loading from the Drone right now..
Stand by..
Stand by...
INCOMING!
*wink*
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:09:50pm |
re: #150 iceweasel
Totally random funny nirther sign.
Caveat: I no longer remember where I found this but it was ages ago. I would like to think it's not even real, but previous evidence of signs suggests a high probability that some of us kain't spel 2 gud.
Actually that's very sad, but hopefully now can be treated medically:
He first discovered dyslexia was due to simple signal-scrambling disturbances in the inner-ear after examining students with reading difficulties and finding 95 per cent of them had an inner-ear dysfunction which lead to poor eye co-ordination when reading.
He said: 'The inner-ear acts as a 'fine tuner', similar to the vertical and horizontal tuners on a television.
'We found that any dysfunction of the inner-ear led to blurred, scrambled, reversed and distorted sensory and motor signals.'
Unique
Of more than 30,000 children and adults treated at our New York clinic, between 75 and 85 per cent responded favourably, rapidly and often dramatically to this unique medical treatment - a simple and safe combination of inner-ear improving medications and related nutrients.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:10:00pm |
re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I met the guy who Jim-Bob Walton is based on.
Schuyler, Va is just down the road from me.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:10:11pm |
re: #201 HoosierHoops
Stand by DD
The Sat GPS numbers are down loading from the Drone right now..
Stand by..
Stand by...
INCOMING!
*wink*
I won't worry until I feel a warm spot on my forehead.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:10:51pm |
re: #192 Decatur Deb
Mine will go back out the day I open it. Can't do too much bitching about how much it's going to cost if I make them chase me around to get it filled out.
Going to fill it out completely and honestly.
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:10:56pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
Honestly, I never saw a single episode.
That's because you were watching 'Manimal' on the other channel.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:11:44pm |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
Schuyler, Va is just down the road from me.
The guy worked at UVA hospital. (Might've been Jason or Ben, not sure not that I'm talking about it).
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:12:00pm |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In my defense... there were only three channels back then...
In my defense... I lived with my parents in a private community in Maine, didn't have TV or phones or running water, but we had a neat stream running through the property.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:12:15pm |
re: #206 Jimmah
That's because you were watching 'Manimal' on the other channel.
Not that there was anything wrong with Manimal.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:12:26pm |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ours was just the short-form--made me feel unspecial.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:12:31pm |
re: #208 Walter L. Newton
In my defense... I lived with my parents in a private community in Maine, didn't have TV or phones or running water, but we had a neat stream running through the property.
You were a very lucky boy.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:13:27pm |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In my defense... there were only three channels back then...
You know, I really, really loved the Batman television series when I was a kid.
They rebroadcast the pilot when the first Batman movie came out. I tried, but it was completely unwatchable.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:13:54pm |
re: #208 Walter L. Newton
Whew... nothing like an outhouse in January.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:14:12pm |
re: #206 Jimmah
That's because you were watching 'Manimal' on the other channel.
I've never heard of that show. Let me look it up... nope, didn't see that either. I didn't watch much TV growing up.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:14:41pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:15:23pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:15:32pm |
re: #206 Jimmah
That's because you were watching 'Manimal' on the other channel.
Hi Jimmah!!
What do you think of Beckham going down? That may be the worst injury you could ever get in a leg..The absolute worst...Nobody will say anything..But His career is over I think...
He'll never run with speed again..It's sad...Did you see the pics of him today? Man he looked bad
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:15:36pm |
re: #202 goddamnedfrank
That's really interesting. I had no idea that dyslexia could be caused by inner-ear dysfunction.
One of the most brilliant people I've ever known is dyslexic, btw.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:16:30pm |
re: #219 iceweasel
One of the most brilliant people I've ever known is dyslexic, btw.
Stays up all night wondering if there really is a dog.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:16:56pm |
re: #219 iceweasel
.wtb ,cixelsyd si nwonk reve ev'I elpoep tnaillirb tsom eht fo enO
.noitcnufsyd rae-renni yb desuac eb dluoc aixelsyd taht aedi on dah I .gnitseretni yllaer s'tahT
That's interesting.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:17:22pm |
re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Stays up all night wondering if there really is a dog.
Heh. He did do the PPE track at Oxford-- Political Science, Philosophy, and Economics.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:17:30pm |
re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh no, here we go...
"We wished we had an outhouse!"
Outhouse... we wished we had toilet paper.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:18:12pm |
re: #208 Walter L. Newton
In my defense... I lived with my parents in a private community in Maine, didn't have TV or phones or running water, but we had a neat stream running through the property.
A good defense and an idyllic childhood setting.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:18:28pm |
re: #223 Walter L. Newton
Outhouse... we wished we had toilet paper.
Toilet paper? We wished we had a hole in the ground.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:19:04pm |
re: #202 goddamnedfrank
Interesting. I had ear infections as a kid and I'm pretty dyslexic, especially with numbers. I'm 40 and I'll still mix up lower case b's and d's. I never knew there was a connection.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:19:05pm |
re: #225 NJDhockeyfan
Toilet paper? We wished we had a hole in the ground.
A hole in the ground? We couldn't afford assholes!
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:19:06pm |
re: #214 Walter L. Newton
I've never heard of that show. Let me look it up... nope, didn't see that either. I didn't watch much TV growing up.
In that case let me tell you about one of the truly classic shows from the 70's that I think you'll be eager to track down: "The Man from Atlantis". Although not yet widely recognised as such, it was in many ways the precursor of "Lost". You should check it out - I think you'll be impressed.
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:19:21pm |
re: #225 NJDhockeyfan
Toilet paper? We wished we had a hole in the ground.
Hole in the ground? We wished we had a shovel.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:19:31pm |
re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Whew... nothing like an outhouse in January.
And last year's Montgomery Ward catalog!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:19:37pm |
re: #225 NJDhockeyfan
Toilet paper? We wished we had a hole in the ground.
Hole int he ground... no way, the tundra stayed frozen all year round.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:20:29pm |
re: #228 Jimmah
Patrick Duffy's breakout show, wasn't it?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:21:40pm |
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:21:50pm |
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:21:57pm |
re: #218 HoosierHoops
Hi Jimmah!!
What do you think of Beckham going down? That may be the worst injury you could ever get in a leg..The absolute worst...Nobody will say anything..But His career is over I think...
He'll never run with speed again..It's sad...Did you see the pics of him today? Man he looked bad
Hi Hoops! Not much of a follower of football but it is sad to hear about someone's career getting ended like that.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:22:03pm |
"Rielle is a smart woman. She knows what she wore and what she was doing in the photo shoot," said GQ reporter Lisa DePaulo.
Hunter, a one-time videographer for Edwards' presidential campaign, posed for the pictures wearing only a man's button down white shirt, a string of pearls and panties. In some of the photos she is posed on a bed with stuffed animals piled around her. Her panties are peeking out in one frame.
A teary Hunter told ABC News' Barbara Walters she was repulsed by the sight of the sexy photos and thought all but one would be headshots, Walters said.
SNIP
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:22:25pm |
re: #226 Killgore Trout
Interesting. I had ear infections as a kid and I'm pretty dyslexic, especially with numbers. I'm 40 and I'll still mix up lower case b's and d's. I never knew there was a connection.
I have a very mild vision problem that sometimes wrecks the letters in a word, and my brain replaces them with other letters. Could explain some of my posts.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:22:49pm |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
Hole int he ground... no way, the tundra stayed frozen all year round.
we were so dirt poor we couldn't afford the dirt..I was so poor I couldn't pay attention..
Let me check Google..
/
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:23:21pm |
re: #234 cliffster
That's so wrong. So is this
It certainly is so wrong. Why can't people stop making fun of Twitter?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:23:21pm |
re: #180 Rightwingconspirator
It's not really a dishonest diary. I think it's a mistake to assume the connection with still births is a genetic thing. It might be higher in the black community for a a variety of reasons; lower income, prenatal education, inner city environment, access to employer based insurance, etc. Those issues could be addressed by greater access to the healthcare system and prenatal care.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:23:23pm |
re: #190 iceweasel
..... I'm sort of worn out on the HCR debate issue at the moment, I'm afraid.
.....
I knew eventually we would find common ground on the whole HCR debate.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:23:30pm |
re: #236 MandyManners
She looked a lot better in those GQ shots than any of the pictures that I saw of her. The pics that I saw of her made her look like Linda Tripp.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:23:41pm |
re: #239 HoosierHoops
we were so dirt poor we couldn't afford the dirt..I was so poor I couldn't pay attention..
Let me check Google..
/
We were so po, we couldn't afford an R
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:25:15pm |
re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She looked a lot better in those GQ shots than any of the pictures that I saw of her. The pics that I saw of her made her look like Linda Tripp.
What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? You really jarred something loose tiger.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:25:25pm |
re: #236 MandyManners
Only thought would be head shots. So that's why she didn't wear pants.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:25:52pm |
re: #248 Walter L. Newton
That's has become my favorite movie quote.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:25:59pm |
re: #243 RogueOne
I knew eventually we would find common ground on the whole HCR debate.
I kinda burned out on it over the summer, to be honest.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:26:11pm |
re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I totally believe her.
///
LOL, I wondered why she was so SHOCKED... was she not present for the photo shoot? Was she not aware, being a photog herself which shots would most likely be used?
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:26:13pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:26:26pm |
re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She looked a lot better in those GQ shots than any of the pictures that I saw of her. The pics that I saw of her made her look like Linda Tripp.
Yikes!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:26:32pm |
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:26:40pm |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Patrick Duffy's breakout show, wasn't it?
Now there was an Actor with Craft. ;-)
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:27:01pm |
re: #246 cliffster
We were so po, we couldn't afford an R
I'm so poor I bought a 3.2 million dollar Estate in Napa Valley while working at a 7-11 as a clerk..
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:27:03pm |
re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I totally believe her.
///
You don't go around a camera in your undies if you don't want them shown to the world.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:27:15pm |
re: #257 Decatur Deb
And if she were doing a passport headshot she'd also go topless.
I did... the official at entrance control at Warsaw asked me about that.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:27:32pm |
re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only thought would be head shots. So that's why she didn't wear pants.
And, pose on a bed.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:28:02pm |
re: #259 HoosierHoops
I'm so poor I bought a 3.2 million dollar Estate in Napa Valley while working at a 7-11 as a clerk..
Short change artist, eh?
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:28:12pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
It's not really a dishonest diary. I think it's a mistake to assume the connection with still births is a genetic thing. It might be higher in the black community for a a variety of reasons; lower income, prenatal education, inner city environment, access to employer based insurance, etc. Those issues could be addressed by greater access to the healthcare system and prenatal care.
Hey KT... Hope you are well!
If any of that is true, how did the human race make it to the 21st century... all those things are brandy new time wise.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:28:45pm |
re: #261 Walter L. Newton
I did... the official at entrance control at Warsaw asked me about that.
Distinguishing features are very helpful.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:28:51pm |
re: #254 CapeCoddah
LOL, I wondered why she was so SHOCKED... was she not present for the photo shoot? Was she not aware, being a photog herself which shots would most likely be used?
Is her 15 minutes up yet?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:28:57pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
There is only one show on TV.
Avatar - The Last Airbender
(seriously - best TV since I got hooked by the first episode of Hill Street Blues and had to know if Hill & Renko lived or died.)
William
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:29:17pm |
re: #257 Decatur Deb
And if she were doing a passport headshot she'd also go topless.
And then she'd bitch about it.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:29:53pm |
re: #254 CapeCoddah
LOL, I wondered why she was so SHOCKED... was she not present for the photo shoot? Was she not aware, being a photog herself which shots would most likely be used?
"So you want me to pose in my underwear? Sure. It's not like you're going to use them."
Just my opinion, but if you don't want pictures like that floating around out there, then maybe you shouldn't have taken the pictures in the first place. These are hardly some personal candids that got misplaced. Its a gimmick to draw attention.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:29:53pm |
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:29:54pm |
re: #255 MandyManners
'Sup?
Been working a lot the last month and a half... lots of little old folks coming north, wanting to be driven, or at least have the dog driven. How are you and your young man?
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:31:07pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:31:08pm |
Tom Gross: Palestinian Authority honours terrorist; White House mute
The papers are full of reports about the startling criticism of Israel by the Obama administration — a criticism of a type not used by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton against many human rights abusing-governments the world over during the past year. (Who cares, for example, that 50,000 Muslim Burmese refugees are on the verge of starvation in Bangladesh, when you can bash Israel day after day, as the Obama administration did last week?)
The Los Angeles Times noted that “Hillary Rodham Clinton’s harsh words stunned Israel.”
The Wall Street Journal reported that “Clinton levied a blistering rebuke of Israel”
The Washington Post wrote that “Relations with Israel have been strained almost since the start of the Obama administration. Now they have plunged to their lowest ebb since the administration of George H.W. Bush… In her call [to Netanyahu], Clinton appeared to link U.S. military support for Israel to the construction in east Jerusalem."
Even the Anti-Defamation League, one of America’s largest liberal organizations, with close ties to the Democratic Party, says it is “shocked and stunned by the Obama Administration’s public dressing down of Israel.”
At the same time as rebuking Israel, neither the White House nor State Department had anything to say about the fact that the U.S.-financed Palestinian Authority, led by “moderate” Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, renamed a central public square in Ramallah on Thursday in honor of Dalal Mughrabi, the woman who in 1978 helped carry out the deadliest single terrorist attack in Israel’s history.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:31:21pm |
re: #252 Walter L. Newton
That's has become my favorite movie quote.
Lin Shaye certainly played that role to the hilt.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:32:07pm |
re: #273 MandyManners
And a constant thorn in John's.
how ironic the paternity settlement will be...
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:32:11pm |
re: #272 CapeCoddah
Been working a lot the last month and a half... lots of little old folks coming north, wanting to be driven, or at least have the dog driven. How are you and your young man?
About the same. He's put down the basketball and is now hanging out with his new baseball glove.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:32:32pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:33:12pm |
re: #277 brookly red
how ironic the paternity settlement will be...
I wonder if the amount will ever be released.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:33:20pm |
re: #265 cliffster
GS going down tomorrow night, Hoops
Not unless Jackson can lure the Spurs into a strip club at 3am in San Antonio..
We carry Glocks..It's every man for himself at that point.. *wink*
Good Luck..I think Tim's knees are about done..Don't you? It seems at about a thousand games a player's knees are done in the NBA...He is Hall of Fame first Ballot...A beautiful player and person..One Class act
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:33:35pm |
re: #264 CapeCoddah
Hey KT... Hope you are well!
If any of that is true, how did the human race make it to the 21st century... all those things are brandy new time wise.
I'm well, good to "see" you again.
Yeah, something has changed recently with the infant mortality rate. Just off the top of my head I suspect it might be diet/lifestyle related. WE really aren't a very healthy country on the whole.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:34:01pm |
I have to take off folks, before I go I just noticed this piece about last weeks episode in oregon where the SWAT team took a guy in for a mental eval, by force:
[Link: reason.com...]
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:34:01pm |
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:34:22pm |
A great column on the Hunter Pics today... sums it up nicely!
Your text to link...
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:34:46pm |
If I hear one more model bitch about how men only appreciate herself for her body while posing on a bed wearing less fabric than a table napkin, I'm going to seriously have to probably have to download more nude pics of them just to piss them off. That'll show em.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:34:54pm |
Crap... I hate links...
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20100316really_rielle_get_your_pants_on/
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:35:25pm |
re: #285 CapeCoddah
A great column on the Hunter Pics today... sums it up nicely!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:35:57pm |
WSJ/NBC News Poll: Throw ‘Em All Out
Congress has managed to get its approval ratings back down to the pre-election level, with just 17% of voters saying they approve of the job Congress is doing, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out later today.
The trend line has been sinking for the past year, after a post-election peak of 31% in February 2009, a month after President Barack Obama took office and the new Congress began. More than three-quarters of voters, 77%, said they disapproved of the job Congress was doing.
In fact, when it comes to Congress, many voters would like to start anew. Asked if they would “replace every single member of Congress, including your own representative” if they could, 50% said “yes” while 47% said “no.”
The voters who supported the clean-slate approach largely didn’t care much about whether the Democrats or Republicans ended up in the majority.
Those that said yes were asked if they would still be game if the Democrats kept the majority in Congress, and 72% said they would, while 22% said they wouldn’t. Asked if they would go along if replacing all lawmakers would put the Republicans in control, 73% said yes and 24% said no.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:36:09pm |
re: #267 MandyManners
Is her 15 minutes up yet?
I sure hope so... I dont want to hear any more about how hot he is or how in love they are... gag me.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:36:18pm |
re: #285 CapeCoddah
A great column on the Hunter Pics today... sums it up nicely!
Your text to link...
It's always nice seeing you!
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:36:43pm |
re: #278 MandyManners
About the same. He's put down the basketball and is now hanging out with his new baseball glove.
Nice!
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:36:53pm |
re: #283 RogueOne
Interesting. I completely agree with this point:
At root behind this case and others like it is our naïve, hopeful, and sometimes even dangerous belief that every horrible shooting spree or lone-wolf act of terrorism can be prevented. We seem unable to accept the idea that bad people will occasionally do bad things. Every new mass shooting spurs an urge to assign blame beyond the shooter: What political ideology inspired him? Who missed the “warning signs,” and why wasn't he apprehended ahead of time? Gun retailers are scrutinized and vilified, even when they've complied with the law. In ensuing days and weeks, politicians mull new laws, often both ineffective and constricting on our liberty.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:36:55pm |
re: #291 CapeCoddah
I sure hope so... I dont want to hear any more about how hot he is or how in love they are... gag me.
Waaaay too much information out so far.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:37:42pm |
re: #291 CapeCoddah
I sure hope so... I dont want to hear any more about how hot he is or how in love they are... gag me.
My hamster has more class than they.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:38:07pm |
re: #281 HoosierHoops
Not unless Jackson can lure the Spurs into a strip club at 3am in San Antonio..
We carry Glocks..It's every man for himself at that point.. *wink*
Good Luck..I think Tim's knees are about done..Don't you? It seems at about a thousand games a player's knees are done in the NBA...He is Hall of Fame first Ballot...A beautiful player and person..One Class act
Hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. And he is top notch. Had big shoes to fill in the SA Center department, and he filled them well. Both great players, great men.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:38:07pm |
re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"So you want me to pose in my underwear? Sure. It's not like you're going to use them."
Just my opinion, but if you don't want pictures like that floating around out there, then maybe you shouldn't have taken the pictures in the first place. These are hardly some personal candids that got misplaced. Its a gimmick to draw attention.
LOL, Ya Think?
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:38:14pm |
re: #293 CapeCoddah
Second round of try-outs is Saturday.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:38:33pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:38:33pm |
Whenever I wish to be taken seriously as a thoughtful, intelligent woman with important things to say, I take my pants off.
That always does the trick.
///
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:38:50pm |
re: #287 brookly red
you seem surprised...
Who me? Expected actually. Seeing who Obama surrounded himself with before he ran for POTUS is all you need to see. Unfortunately a lot of folks decided to ignore that.
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:39:04pm |
Christopher Hitchens tears the Pope a new ass:
The Great Catholic Cover-Up
The pope's entire career has the stench of evil about it.
There are two separate but related matters here: First, the individual responsibility of the pope in one instance of this moral nightmare and, second, his more general and institutional responsibility for the wider lawbreaking and for the shame and disgrace that goes with it. The first story is easily told, and it is not denied by anybody. In 1979, an 11-year-old German boy identified as Wilfried F. was taken on a vacation trip to the mountains by a priest. After that, he was administered alcohol, locked in his bedroom, stripped naked, and forced to suck the penis of his confessor. (Why do we limit ourselves to calling this sort of thing "abuse"?) The offending cleric was transferred from Essen to Munich for "therapy" by a decision of then-Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, and assurances were given that he would no longer have children in his care. But it took no time for Ratzinger's deputy, Vicar General Gerhard Gruber, to return him to "pastoral" work, where he soon enough resumed his career of sexual assault.
It is, of course, claimed, and it will no doubt later be partially un-claimed, that Ratzinger himself knew nothing of this second outrage. I quote, here, from the Rev. Thomas Doyle, a former employee of the Vatican Embassy in Washington and an early critic of the Catholic Church's sloth in responding to child-rape allegations. "Nonsense," he says. "Pope Benedict is a micromanager. He's the old style. Anything like that would necessarily have been brought to his attention. Tell the vicar general to find a better line. What he's trying to do, obviously, is protect the pope."
full article:
[Link: www.slate.com...]
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:40:03pm |
re: #282 Killgore Trout
I'm well, good to "see" you again.
Yeah, something has changed recently with the infant mortality rate. Just off the top of my head I suspect it might be diet/lifestyle related. WE really aren't a very healthy country on the whole.
Agreed there, and it is parents faults... no time to cook, nannies, video games, computers and fast food. It comes down to parental choices.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:40:14pm |
re: #302 NJDhockeyfan
Who me? Expected actually. Seeing who Obama surrounded himself with before he ran for POTUS is all you need to see. Unfortunately a lot of folks decided to ignore that.
Malley and Power.
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:40:24pm |
Head's up: Judge Kithil Scare Spam making the email and blog rounds again - this started last year in Nov. Here's the latest version:
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
"I have reviewed selected sections of the bill, and find
it unbelievable that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill loaded with so many wrong-headed elements."
"Both Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the financial mess of both Social Security and Medicare programs.
"I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons.
To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required o administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let's put them to
work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there."
JUDGE KITHIL continued: "Other problems I have with
is bill include:
** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance
to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
* Page 58 and 59: The government will have
real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by
the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).
** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this
section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)
** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same
regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
** Page 272.! section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration
care according to the patient's age.
** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a
prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates
advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling.)
** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify
which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:
"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not
apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls , Texas
Also note that SNOPES has the original form of this spam as a letter to Senator Bayh, you can't find a reference to "Judge Kithil" on the internet that isn't linked to this letter either.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:40:30pm |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
Eric Holder Predicts U.S. Will Read Miranda Rights To 'Corpse Of Osama Bin Laden'
... do you understand these rights? do you? awww crap say sumptin!
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:40:38pm |
Hmmm...
Jeffrey Goldberg, on the phones with White House pols claims that Obama is trying to cause "rupture in the governing coalition that will make it necessary for Netanyahu to take into his government Livni's centrist Kadima Party"
If it's true... that's quite disturbing.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:41:30pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:41:43pm |
re: #307 brookly red
... do you understand these rights? do you? awww crap say sumptin!
That's not an Onion link?
Snort.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:41:45pm |
re: #301 EmmmieG
Whenever I wish to be taken seriously as a thoughtful, intelligent woman with important things to say, I take my pants off.
That always does the trick.
///
Wowza! You look incredibly... smart.
Now, take off your top and show me how, um, cultured and urbane you are.
/that's the ticket!
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:41:59pm |
The Story of Stuff, sure they say it is about "sustainability and breaking the cycle of consumerism." Hah! Sustainability my butt, Communism, that's what it is!
///
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:42:52pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:43:37pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:45:06pm |
re: #297 cliffster
Hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. And he is top notch. Had big shoes to fill in the SA Center department, and he filled them well. Both great players, great men.
Wasn't that great when he came out of Wake and Joined the Admiral?
I loved that team.. And in all the History of Basketball of all the players of all time..David Robinson..An Officer in the United States Navy had more Character than any baller I have every seen.. He is the best America has..
A leader.. A man of Values...A military Officer..
And future Hall of Famer
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:45:16pm |
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:45:18pm |
Review of a new book over at Dangerous Minds:
Thanks to Soft Skull Press for sending me an advance paperback copy of Daniel Radosh’s “Rapture Ready: Adventures in the Parallel Universe of Christian Pop Culture.” This book is righteously demented—true to the title, it’s a voyage through the bizarre world of Christian pop culture, in a time where it is essentially one more underground scene, a pocket pop universe just like juggalos or furries (though slightly bigger—as Radosh points out, this stuff totals up to a $7 billion a year industry). Radosh takes us on a voyage through the cult of Left Behind, Christian rock, and the rest of the American Christian scene. Along the way we get some serious gems like “BibleZine” (!!!), bumper stickers reading “Any Sex that can Put You in Hell ISN’T SAFE” and Jay Bakker (Jim and Tammy’s son), who runs his own punk rock church.
I mean, reading this, it’s like… this is the alternate universe version of Dangerous Minds’ readers, like we went into a wormhole and came out with goatees and freshly baptized.
There are some absolutely jaw-droppingly great snippets of “Christian” lore from the book. For instance, Radosh includes a depiction of the Rapture from one of the “Left Behind” books:
“[M]en and women soldiers and horses seemed to explode where they stood. It was as if the very words of the Lord had superheated their blood, causing it to burst through their veins and skin… Their innards and entrails gushed to the desert floor, and as those around them turned to run, they too were slain, their blood pooling and rising in the unforgiving brightness of the glory of Christ.
Gloria in excelsis Deo, motherfucker.
Awesome. Or try this one, from a Christian joke book Radosh finds:
One women’s libber started out a speech: “Where would you men be without us women?” A guy in the back shouted, “In the Garden of Eden!”
I gotta remember that one to impress the ladies with.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:45:45pm |
re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth
Is that what the kids are calling it now-a-days?
I thought the younger crowd said "My microwave is beeping" nowadays...
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:46:04pm |
re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth
Is that what the kids are calling it now-a-days?
nothin tastes like lovin like sometin the oven, ahd pilsbury does it best...
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:47:44pm |
I would take off my pants much more often, but by the time the applause die down, thats a whole day shot, and I like to think of the little people.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:48:54pm |
re: #321 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I would take off my pants much more often, but by the time the applause die down, thats a whole day shot, and I like to think of the little people.
/this morning it was so beautiful out i decided to leave it out all day...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:49:02pm |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
Eric Holder Predicts U.S. Will Read Miranda Rights To 'Corpse Of Osama Bin Laden'
I'm OK with that.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:50:50pm |
re: #303 Jimmah
Christopher Hitchens tears the Pope a new ass:
[Link: www.slate.com...]
Anyone for a new reformation? Works for me.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:51:44pm |
re: #322 brookly red
/this morning it was so beautiful out i decided to leave it out all day...
“I hope to take you on a Carribbean cruise, where we can hold hands on a soft summer's evening and watch that old Jamaican moon. Why that old Jamaican will be mooning us, I have no idea.”
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:53:49pm |
re: #325 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“I hope to take you on a Carribbean cruise, where we can hold hands on a soft summer's evening and watch that old Jamaican moon. Why that old Jamaican will be mooning us, I have no idea.”
/ he still thinks Bush is in office?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:00pm |
House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:12pm |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
Eric Holder Predicts U.S. Will Read Miranda Rights To 'Corpse Of Osama Bin Laden'
Brings new meaning to "habeas corpus"
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:32pm |
re: #318 iceweasel
“[M]en and women soldiers and horses seemed to explode where they stood. It was as if the very words of the Lord had superheated their blood, causing it to burst through their veins and skin… Their innards and entrails gushed to the desert floor, and as those around them turned to run, they too were slain, their blood pooling and rising in the unforgiving brightness of the glory of Christ.
It never ceases to amaze me how psychotically violent the fantasies of these 'true believers' can be. Sick!
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:47pm |
re: #327 NJDhockeyfan
House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.
Just so long as it passes.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:47pm |
LOST reminder...
"Recon" is the 8th episode of Season 6 of Lost and the 111th produced hour of the series as a whole. It is scheduled to be broadcast on March 16, 2010.
I'm told it's a Sawyer centric episode.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:53pm |
re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm OK with that.
To be clear, I would be fine with basically anything anyone wants to say to Osama bin Laden's corpse. Closure, people. It's all about closure.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:54:57pm |
re: #327 NJDhockeyfan
House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.
we don't need no stinkin badges...
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Kragar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:55:04pm |
re: #327 NJDhockeyfan
House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.
Voting is so old fashioned and plebian anyways.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:56:12pm |
re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Voting is so old fashioned and plebian anyways.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:56:49pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:57:04pm |
My Dear Lizards...
I tried to have an LGF brackets group at some of the major sports sites so we could all have fun and make our picks For the Big Dance..
Unfortunately There are major security issues involved..Anyone could join and have your email addy.. It's because when you create an on-line group you pretty much trust everybody in the group...
And everybody works off email...I'll check out a few other places in the morning..But the most important thing is to have rock solid security so you can play and have fun and not worry about revealing your email to anyone.
Sorry
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:58:01pm |
re: #337 HoosierHoops
My Dear Lizards...
I tried to have an LGF brackets group at some of the major sports sites so we could all have fun and make our picks For the Big Dance..
Unfortunately There are major security issues involved..Anyone could join and have your email addy.. It's because when you create an on-line group you pretty much trust everybody in the group...
And everybody works off email...I'll check out a few other places in the morning..But the most important thing is to have rock solid security so you can play and have fun and not worry about revealing your email to anyone.
Sorry
I bet Charles could whip one up if he had the time.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:58:30pm |
re: #335 NJDhockeyfan
I have an unhappy email I am seriously avoiding sending right now. I would really like to deem it sent without sending it.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:59:05pm |
re: #337 HoosierHoops
We could create/use junk email accounts. Count me in. I'll do likewise in the fall if anyone wants to do some fantasy football!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:59:07pm |
Mass.-type health care could wipe out economy, state Treasurer Timothy Cahill says
BOSTON – The Massachusetts treasurer said Tuesday that Congress will “threaten to wipe out the American economy within four years” if it adopts a health-care overhaul modeled after the Bay State’s.
Treasurer Timothy P. Cahill – a former Democrat running as an independent for governor – said the local plan enacted in 2006 has succeeded only because of huge subsidies and favorable regulatory changes from the federal government.
“Who, exactly, is going to bail out the federal government if this plan goes national?” he asked.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:59:38pm |
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:59:47pm |
re: #329 Jimmah
It never ceases to amaze me how psychotically violent the fantasies of these 'true believers' can be. Sick!
I've seen that snippet before-- it's from the LaHaye/Jenkins "Left Behind" books. Even other evangelicals take issue with the books and so have many reviewers, complaining that one of the main draws of the series appears to be the extremely detailed and gruesome descriptions of violent death to all nonbelievers when the Prince of Peace returns.
That specific passage has been cited as an example in at least three critical reviews I've seen, but unfortunately it appears to be one of many like it.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:59:57pm |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
To be clear, I would be fine with basically anything anyone wants to say to Osama bin Laden's corpse. Closure, people. It's all about closure.
I want him alive in prison long enough to learn and renounce his evil. That is real defeat.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:01:10pm |
re: #341 NJDhockeyfan
Mass.-type health care could wipe out economy, state Treasurer Timothy Cahill says
/four years? Yes we can!
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simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:02:39pm |
Check out this sign from today's "Kill the Bill" Washington rally -- the one that reads, "God Heals, Obimacare steals!":
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
The first four letters of the word "Ob*macare" are covered over with a rectangle of paper, and the corrected version "Obimacare" is written on top. It makes you wonder how it was spelled originally :P.
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:02:54pm |
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:03:37pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:04:11pm |
re: #340 cliffster
We could create/use junk email accounts. Count me in. I'll do likewise in the fall if anyone wants to do some fantasy football!
Too bad we didn't have more time...A group of us will get this together to play brackets, Fantasy baseball and Football..Once we get the security locked down it will be fun..
I spent an hour at the office today doing my first brackets.. I hate it...Do over in the morning.. I picked the Orangemen to win...I must be insane..Maybe..I dunno..Dang it!
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:04:16pm |
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:06:20pm |
re: #346 simoom
Check out this sign from today's "Kill the Bill" Washington rally -- the one that reads, "God Heals, Obimacare steals!":
[Link: www.flickr.com...]The first four letters of the word "Ob*macare" are covered over with a rectangle of paper, and the corrected version "Obimacare" is written on top. It makes you wonder how it was spelled originally :P.
There's a guy in white scrubs so their argument must be legit.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:07:03pm |
re: #349 HoosierHoops
Yeah, probably too late for brackets this year. But I'll give some thought to it - a way to make it easy.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:07:54pm |
re: #351 RogueOne
There's a guy in white scrubs so their argument must be legit.
scrubs vs lab coats?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:08:54pm |
re: #352 cliffster
Yeah, probably too late for brackets this year. But I'll give some thought to it - a way to make it easy.
What is brackets?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:09:19pm |
re: #339 EmmmieG
I have an unhappy email I am seriously avoiding sending right now. I would really like to deem it sent without sending it.
Sometimes it helps to sleep on things.
((EmmieG))
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:09:22pm |
re: #294 cliffster
Interesting. I completely agree with this point:
and this is kind of frightening:
"It's important to remember that this is a civil process," he says. "There's no arrest, these people aren't being taking to jail. It's not a criminal action."
So SWAT teams, guns, and handcuffs...but not a criminal action? And what if Pyles had refused to "voluntarily" surrender to the police? "Well, yes," Bloom says. "I guess then it would become a criminal matter."
If what happened to Pyles is legal, in Oregon or elsewhere, we need to take a second look at the civil commitment power. Even setting aside the SWAT team overkill in Medford, there's something awfully discomfiting about granting government authorities the power to yank someone from their home and drag them in for a mental health evaluation based on a series of actions that were perfectly legal, especially with no prior oversight from a judge, or guidance from a psychiatrist.
The authority to take you out of your house, with force, for no other reason than they want to.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:09:36pm |
My most favorite melancholy song evah, by the great Jacques Brel, also singing about a flat place, "Le plat pays."
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:09:54pm |
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:10:36pm |
re: #355 Floral Giraffe
Sometimes it helps to sleep on things.
((EmmieG))
That's what I have been doing. Not working.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:11:12pm |
re: #354 Walter L. Newton
What is brackets?
College hoops - the big tournament. What rock have you been sleeping under??
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:12:53pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
Who will care for those already covered plus an additional 30-million more?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:12:56pm |
re: #356 RogueOne
But he had a lot of guns... that must mean he was up to something?
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:13:09pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
45% of doctors in above survey are either full of shit or shouldn't be practicing medicine...or both.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:13:15pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
/don't worry I volunteer to perform surgery on any HCR supporter for free.
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:14:01pm |
re: #365 darthstar
45% of doctors in above survey are either full of shit or shouldn't be practicing medicine...or both.
Wow! You know all of 'em!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:14:28pm |
re: #356 RogueOne
and this is kind of frightening:
"It's important to remember that this is a civil process," he says. "There's no arrest, these people aren't being taking to jail. It's not a criminal action."
So SWAT teams, guns, and handcuffs...but not a criminal action? And what if Pyles had refused to "voluntarily" surrender to the police? "Well, yes," Bloom says. "I guess then it would become a criminal matter."
If what happened to Pyles is legal, in Oregon or elsewhere, we need to take a second look at the civil commitment power. Even setting aside the SWAT team overkill in Medford, there's something awfully discomfiting about granting government authorities the power to yank someone from their home and drag them in for a mental health evaluation based on a series of actions that were perfectly legal, especially with no prior oversight from a judge, or guidance from a psychiatrist.
The authority to take you out of your house, with force, for no other reason than they want to.
If you dig into it, I think you'll find that various jurisdictions and eras have permitted some free-and-easy commitments. IIRC I lived somewhere that required only the agreement of 3 medics or citizens. This is one for the lizard lawyers.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:14:32pm |
re: #365 darthstar
45% of doctors in above survey are either full of shit or shouldn't be practicing medicine...or both.
Can you prove that?
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:15:01pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:15:07pm |
re: #362 cliffster
College hoops - the big tournament. What rock have you been sleeping under??
Evidently the one that has nothing to do with sports. Sorry I asked.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:16:03pm |
re: #371 Walter L. Newton
Evidently the one that has nothing to do with sports. Sorry I asked.
C'mon, now, crankypants... ;)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:17:23pm |
I am related to three doctors whose opinions I have asked on the reform bill. (Haven't talked to Uncle Steve recently, so I don't know what he would think.)
One is all for it. Two are against it.
The difference? The one that is for it had his parents pay for medical school, and is a GP. The two that aren't are specialists who are eyeballs-deep in debt.
Also, the first is a liberal and the other two are conservatives.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:17:51pm |
re: #371 Walter L. Newton
Evidently the one that has nothing to do with sports. Sorry I asked.
I was this close to answering:
These: [[[[]]]]
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:18:50pm |
re: #374 EmmmieG
I was this close to answering:
These: [[[]]]
Well... gee... I'm glad you didn't because I still like you.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:18:56pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
Think about these bogus talking points for a second. Really think about it. The bill is probably going to pass. Do you really think that half of the doctors in the US are going to quit? Are you willing to stake your side's political future on it? What happens a few years after the bill passes and and doctors aren't quitting in droves? It's not going to happen and I think you probably know that. It doesn't make sense to keep latching on to every bogus doomsday scenario.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:19:17pm |
re: #341 NJDhockeyfan
Mass.-type health care could wipe out economy, state Treasurer Timothy Cahill says
The governor here in Massachusetts, if you can call him that, is now proposing health care rationing, and further deep cuts in payments to hospitals. They are seriously hurting right now over the cuts already enacted. We are both healthy. The only time either of us has ever been hospitalized was for childbirth 20 years ago. Our insurance went up 50% last year, 3 years into the lower cost promise. It went up 41% the year before and I just got a 30% rate hike notice. We have to drop it, cant afford it anymore, and we make too much to be eligible for the state insurance, which we would refuse anyway. We don't do welfare. So, we will have to pay a $2,500.00 fine, and still have no health care. After we "reformed' health care here, we became the proud owners of the most expensive health insurance in the country, and the fastest rising rates. Be very careful what you wish for, folks.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:19:18pm |
re: #373 EmmmieG
I am related to three doctors whose opinions I have asked on the reform bill. (Haven't talked to Uncle Steve recently, so I don't know what he would think.)
One is all for it. Two are against it.
The difference? The one that is for it had his parents pay for medical school, and is a GP. The two that aren't are specialists who are eyeballs-deep in debt.
Also, the first is a liberal and the other two are conservatives.
My dad, retired now, is against it. Not because he thinks its bad, but because it's being pushed through by Democrats. He's not stupid, he's just towing the party line...and he watches Fox exclusively.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:19:31pm |
I see the "health care only for those who can afford it" trolls are swarming tonight.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:19:42pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
Can you prove that?
funny, I know several doc's from our local teaching hospital that are currently considering setting up shop in Costa Rica...
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blueraven Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:20:33pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
From the link...
The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series
So the responses are still coming in but they have released these numbers?
What were the actual questions asked?
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:20:47pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
I see the "health care only for those who can afford it" trolls are swarming tonight.
I wish I fell into that catagory.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:21:19pm |
Hi Hoops, not sure I understand the security concern. I filled out a bracket today just for fun at something called "Million Dollar Bracket Challenge" in the Ft Worth paper. Looks like someone can just set up a team and then send the password out to those who wish to join? How does one's email get compromised? I'm not too swift with computer protection issues, just wondering.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:21:49pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
I see the "health care only for those who can afford it" trolls are swarming tonight.
I see the "you hate poor people if you are against the current HCR" trolls are swarming, as well..
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:22:02pm |
re: #381 brookly red
funny, I know several doc's from our local teaching hospital that are currently considering setting up shop in Costa Rica...
What's their Rush?
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simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:22:19pm |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
IMO partisan respondents were using their answers as a proxy to express whether or not they favored the bill.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:22:24pm |
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I see the "you hate poor people if you are against the current HCR" trolls are swarming, as well..
do it for the chilllllldren!
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:23:37pm |
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:23:50pm |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
I think there will be a slow, steady decline in the number of people who desire to become doctors, but the world is a large pool from which to recruit.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:24:00pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
I see the "health care only for those who can afford it" trolls are swarming tonight.
They'll change their tune if they trip on the stairs. Remember the big tea party protests against health care last summer? A bunch of the Walmart/Beck fan fucktards got sick from being out in the sun and had to be treated--free of charge, of course, by government run health-care. The nurses and doctors who were there made a point of explaining that to them, from what I hear...not that it did any good.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:24:22pm |
re: #383 solomonpanting
I wish I fell into that catagory.
So you could snack on maggots with me whilst I prepare the grill?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:24:54pm |
Stumble upon this quote purely by accident, but I think it's pretty nifty:
The barriers are not erected which can say to aspiring talents and industry, "Thus far and no farther." -Ludwig van Beethoven
Catch y'all laters.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:25:11pm |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
Intrade has the bill passing at 72:28. Not sure I want to link LGF to gambling sites.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:25:19pm |
re: #388 brookly red
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do it for the chillldren!
Screw the children. Do it because it's the right thing to do...for adults and children alike.
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:25:39pm |
re: #392 Cato the Elder
So you could snack on maggots with me whilst I prepare the grill?
Just don't use too much salt as I like to eat healthy.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:26:08pm |
re: #384 The Shadow Do
Hi Hoops, not sure I understand the security concern. I filled out a bracket today just for fun at something called "Million Dollar Bracket Challenge" in the Ft Worth paper. Looks like someone can just set up a team and then send the password out to those who wish to join? How does one's email get compromised? I'm not too swift with computer protection issues, just wondering.
Well I saw my name is fully displayed at one..Another one you click on the members names to email them...We could do a small secure group here that would be safe..But my vision was to have a Sports site you could log into with your nic and be completely safe from Spam or stalkers also joining the group..
We'll work it out..
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:26:13pm |
re: #379 darthstar
My dad, retired now, is against it. Not because he thinks its bad, but because it's being pushed through by Democrats. He's not stupid, he's just towing the party line...and he watches Fox exclusively.
Every American, dem or conservative should be horrified at what Reid, Pelosi and Obama are trying to do, how they are trying to do it, absolutely against the will of the vast majority of Americans. It is unconscionable.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:26:34pm |
re: #395 darthstar
Screw the children. Do it because it's the right thing to do...for adults and children alike.
I respectfully disagree.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:26:39pm |
re: #388 brookly red
do it for the chillldren!
Think of the children, for God's sake! (and the insurance company executives who donated to my campaign and the pharma executives who are members of my country club)
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:27:26pm |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
Think about these bogus talking points for a second. Really think about it. The bill is probably going to pass. Do you really think that half of the doctors in the US are going to quit? Are you willing to stake your side's political future on it? What happens a few years after the bill passes and and doctors aren't quitting in droves? It's not going to happen and I think you probably know that. It doesn't make sense to keep latching on to every bogus doomsday scenario.
Doctors have every right in the world to accept cash only. Those who do not leave will not be accepting insurance for long at all.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:27:30pm |
re: #397 HoosierHoops
Well I saw my name is fully displayed at one..Another one you click on the members names to email them...We could do a small secure group here that would be safe..But my vision was to have a Sports site you could log into with your nic and be completely safe from Spam or stalkers also joining the group..
We'll work it out..
Ahhh, I see.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:27:48pm |
re: #398 CapeCoddah
Every American, dem or conservative should be horrified at what Reid, Pelosi and Obama are trying to do, how they are trying to do it, absolutely against the will of the vast majority of Americans. It is unconscionable.
this shall not stand.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:27:50pm |
re: #395 darthstar
Screw the children. Do it because it's the right thing to do...for adults and children alike.
Old Onion Point/Counterpoint:
We Must Do Everything We Can For The Children
vs
Children, Schmildren
Day after day it's shoved down our throats: We have to love the children and prepare them for tomorrow. We're supposed to prevent them from falling down wells and out of cars, and we're supposed to keep toxic chemicals out of their reach. We're supposed to change the babies' diapers and call a doctor when they stop breathing. Christ almighty, when do we get a break? Do the children ever stop taking? For just once, let's let the children fend for themselves.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:29:01pm |
re: #398 CapeCoddah
Every American, dem or conservative should be horrified at what Reid, Pelosi and Obama are trying to do, how they are trying to do it, absolutely against the will of the vast majority of Americans. It is unconscionable.
"vast majority" my ass. It all depends on how the question is asked. If you ask, "Are you for or against a government take-over of health care?" people will say they're against it. If you ask, "Are you for or against affordable insurance for all?" people will say they're for it.
The pollsters control the responses depending on how they ask the questions. If you look at the break-down of the polls, you'll see that most people support the details of HCR, even if the 'vast majority' don't support the 'death panel legislation' they hear about on TV.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:29:10pm |
re: #404 iceweasel
Blah, blah, blah. How many times can you hear about kids living in cardboard boxes and young girls being sold into sexual slavery before you just have to scream, shut up about the goddamn children, already?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:29:12pm |
re: #404 iceweasel
For just once, let's let the children fend for themselves.
I still say sell them for foodstuff.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:29:45pm |
re: #394 Decatur Deb
Intrade has the bill passing at 72:28. Not sure I want to link LGF to gambling sites.
so even if it does pass can it survive the court challenge?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:30:10pm |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:30:40pm |
re: #404 iceweasel
Heh.
I propose we put the children last for a few years. Then we could finally pay attention to some of the issues that really matter, like my need for a brand-new fishing boat. The children can ram it.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:30:43pm |
re: #407 Walter L. Newton
Thats too oldschool. I like chaining them to plows and assembly lines. The cheap labor will get our balance of trade fixed >>
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:30:44pm |
re: #401 CapeCoddah
The surgeon I saw a few years ago, was one of five doctors in the practice. He was the only one who took insurance patients. The other four surgeons were fee only. There will be many more of them in the future.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:30:46pm |
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:30:59pm |
re: #378 CapeCoddah
After we "reformed' health care here, we became the proud owners of the most expensive health insurance in the country, and the fastest rising rates. Be very careful what you wish for, folks.
Hogwash. It'll work this time because I just know it will.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:31:13pm |
re: #408 brookly red
so even if it does pass can it survive the court challenge?
I'd rather outguess Paulie Walnuts than the courts.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:31:39pm |
re: #395 darthstar
Screw the children. Do it because it's the right thing to do...for adults and children alike.
No, it is not. It simply cannot be paid for, wether you like it or not.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:31:55pm |
The House Health-Care Vote and the Constitution
Democratic congressional leaders have floated a plan to enact health-care reform by a procedure dubbed "the Slaughter solution." It is named not for the political carnage that it might inflict on their members, but for Rep. Louise Slaughter (D., N.Y.), chair of the powerful House Rules Committee, who proposed it. Under her proposal, Democrats would pass a rule that deems the Senate's health-care bill to have passed the House, without the House actually voting on the bill. This would enable Congress to vote on legislation that fixes flaws in the Senate health-care bill without facing a Senate filibuster, and without requiring House members to vote in favor of a Senate bill that is now politically toxic.
The Slaughter solution cannot be squared with Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution.
Senate rules protect against majoritarian overreach by allowing a determined minority to filibuster most types of legislation. The majority needs 60 votes to override a filibuster. One exception, adopted in 1974, is legislation that makes adjustments to spending or revenues to reconcile current law to a budget resolution that has passed Congress. These are called reconciliation bills, and they require only a majority vote.
Last Christmas Eve, the Senate approved a health-care bill by 60 votes, overcoming a Republican filibuster. This is the bill that contains the so-called Cornhusker kickback, the Louisiana purchase, taxes on high-cost health insurance plans and coverage for abortions. Virtually no one now supports that version of the bill, but Senate Democrats no longer have enough votes to pass an alternative bill under ordinary procedures.
That is where reconciliation fits in. If the House passes the Senate bill and the president then signs it into law, reconciliation would permit Congress to pass new legislation making changes to that law. Reconciliation might not solve the abortion coverage problem or other nonbudgetary issues, but it would allow Democrats to correct most of the Senate bill's offensive features.
The rub is that, according to the Senate parliamentarian, reconciliation is permitted only for bills that amend existing law, not for amendments to bills that have yet to be enacted. This means that, for the Senate to be able to avoid a filibuster, House Democrats first have to vote for the identical bill that passed the Senate last Christmas Eve. That means voting aye on the special deals, aye on abortion coverage, and aye on high taxes on expensive health-insurance plans. Challengers are salivating at the prospect of running against incumbents who vote for these provisions.
Enter the Slaughter solution. It may be clever, but it is not constitutional.
[snip]
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:32:19pm |
I have to admit that IBD/TIPP "poll" gave me a chuckle. It's not even completed and it's based on a random sampling of physicians. I especially thought this was pretty funny:
Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.
More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says.
Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.
Talk about trying to create fear. Let's see, they also say they would consider "early retirement." That would mean a good chunk of those physicians would have to be eligible or capable of retiring.
So let's see. They quit and then move onto what? Real estate flipping? Nope, that doesn't cut it anymore. Teaching? Far less pay and there's plenty of teaching physicians already. Oh, I know. The can always get a job at McDonalds.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:32:25pm |
re: #415 Decatur Deb
I'd rather outguess Paulie Walnuts than the courts.
Paulie can get you a better plan than Nancy...
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:32:25pm |
re: #401 CapeCoddah
Doctors have every right in the world to accept cash only. Those who do not leave will not be accepting insurance for long at all.
There's a hospital/medical practice in San Francisco that is cash-only. Can't remember its name, but I read about it a couple of years ago. They accept no insurance, but cater to a fairly exclusive crowd that can afford to pay in full.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:33:44pm |
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:34:07pm |
re: #420 darthstar
There's a hospital/medical practice in San Francisco that is cash-only. Can't remember its name, but I read about it a couple of years ago. They accept no insurance, but cater to a fairly exclusive crowd that can afford to pay in full.
/there is a group in DC like that too...
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:34:13pm |
re: #382 blueraven
So the responses are still coming in but they have released these numbers?
What were the actual questions asked?
The article didn't list the questions, as you saw. But. I can imagine one of them may have been: "What action would you take if health deform passes?"
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:34:33pm |
Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats
The president will refuse to make fund-raising visits during November elections to any district whose representative has not backed the bill.
A one-night presidential appearance can bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in funds which would otherwise take months to accumulate through cold-calling by campaign volunteers.
Mr Obama's threat came as the year-long debate over his signature domestic policy entered its final week.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:35:02pm |
re: #416 CapeCoddah
No, it is not. It simply cannot be paid for, wether you like it or not.
Uh, dude, it's "weather", not "wether".
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:35:05pm |
re: #416 CapeCoddah
No, it is not. It simply cannot be paid for, wether you like it or not.
Take 100 billion dollars away from the military every year...we'll still have the largest military budget on the planet, still be safe, and pay for health care at the same time. Hell, take another 50 billion for education...they could use it.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:35:06pm |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
No.. it's simply a modest proposal.
look it's like Social Security... there ain't enough young people to make it work.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:35:44pm |
re: #403 brookly red
this shall not stand.
No, I do not believe it will. Should it pass, in this egregious manner,really in any manner, as there is no right to health insurance, the lawsuits are already written and ready to be filed. It will never pass constitutional muster with SCOUTS.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:35:50pm |
re: #425 NJDhockeyfan
somebody needs to slap those corrupt bastards into line :p
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:35:51pm |
re: #425 NJDhockeyfan
Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats
That should be a promise, not a threat.
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:36:27pm |
I've got 28.5 GB of photos on my pc, 12 gb of music, a Netflix sub, and a blue ray dvd player built into my PC, so I'm thinking about wireless streaming via W7 to my flat screen upstairs and canceling cable except for the basic +internet part.
Any lizards familiar with either of these devices before I make the jump?
Netgear
I've got to get the dogs out for a bit but will check back later for any replies, I'm interested in how easy they are to use, how flexible they are between media types, and if you can RC it from upstairs if your PC is downstairs etc.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:36:56pm |
re: #425 NJDhockeyfan
Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats
so there is a way out after all...
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:37:26pm |
re: #430 CapeCoddah
No, I do not believe it will. Should it pass, in this egregious manner,really in any manner, as there is no right to health insurance, the lawsuits are already written and ready to be filed. It will never pass constitutional muster with SCOUTS.
I'm pretty sure the Boy Scouts of America don't have any jurisdiction here.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:38:06pm |
re: #432 darthstar
That should be a promise, not a threat.
It would be the best thing to ever happen to most of them.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:38:09pm |
If only Sarah Palin would threaten to campaign FOR any Republican who votes against Health Care Reform, the filibuster would be dead.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:39:40pm |
re: #436 Walter L. Newton
It would be the best thing to ever happen to most of them.
he campaigns, they lose
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:39:42pm |
re: #437 darthstar
If only Sarah Palin would threaten to campaign FOR any Republican who votes against Health Care Reform, the filibuster would be dead.
The filibuster is dead. Hence the freakout.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:39:44pm |
re: #430 CapeCoddah
No, I do not believe it will. Should it pass, in this egregious manner,really in any manner, as there is no right to health insurance, the lawsuits are already written and ready to be filed. It will never pass constitutional muster with SCOUTS.
Yesterday I may have disagreed About SCOTUS.. Have you seen Politico today?
Holy Cow! I have never seen a non vote threatened with legal action in my lifetime.. The process may be contested by the highest court.. In one day everybody in DC is talking about it..What a week this will be lizards..
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:39:53pm |
re: #437 darthstar
If only Sarah Palin would threaten to campaign FOR any Republican who votes against Health Care Reform, the filibuster would be dead.
There is no filibuster.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:39:53pm |
re: #405 darthstar
"vast majority" my ass. It all depends on how the question is asked. If you ask, "Are you for or against a government take-over of health care?" people will say they're against it. If you ask, "Are you for or against affordable insurance for all?" people will say they're for it.
The pollsters control the responses depending on how they ask the questions. If you look at the break-down of the polls, you'll see that most people support the details of HCR, even if the 'vast majority' don't support the 'death panel legislation' they hear about on TV.
The vast majority are against this, like it or not. The two questions you posed are two separate issues entirely.
Apples and oranges. Did you miss the post where I outlined my "Affordable" insurance here in Mass, where we already have this nightmare in place? It has cost me my health care, cost me a fine, and I have no insurance, nor can I get it. Did you simply ignore that part, because you want it so badly, facts dont matter, what you want you think you can get by wishing for it? Wish in one hand and shit in the other. See which hand fills up faster.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:40:07pm |
Funny how "we can't afford it" only draws as an argument when it's about something for nasty greedy poor people or folks whose BMI is too high.
When it's about yet another fighter-bomber program essential to the welfare of Raytheon and General Dynamics and to the defense of our country - even though there is no credible antagonist against whom existing and already-planned fighter-bombers aren't perfectly adequate - nothing's too good for US, and affordability be damned.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:40:31pm |
re: #430 CapeCoddah
No, I do not believe it will. Should it pass, in this egregious manner,really in any manner, as there is no right to health insurance, the lawsuits are already written and ready to be filed. It will never pass constitutional muster with SCOUTS.
I is really a shame that so many people don't see where this is going and what the back lash could be.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:40:41pm |
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The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:40:47pm |
re: #425 NJDhockeyfan
Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats
What a mess. So Obama leans on them to cast a vote that is apt to cost them their job, with the promise that he will personally come and help them then save it.
Hope and change and a whole lot of trust me.
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:41:20pm |
re: #343 iceweasel
I've seen that snippet before-- it's from the LaHaye/Jenkins "Left Behind" books. Even other evangelicals take issue with the books and so have many reviewers, complaining that one of the main draws of the series appears to be the extremely detailed and gruesome descriptions of violent death to all nonbelievers when the Prince of Peace returns.
That specific passage has been cited as an example in at least three critical reviews I've seen, but unfortunately it appears to be one of many like it.
There would be poetic justice at least if people who desperately wanted to believe in such a demonic God were granted their wish to spend eternity with 'him'. But alas, there is no hell for them to go to.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:41:22pm |
re: #412 Floral Giraffe
The surgeon I saw a few years ago, was one of five doctors in the practice. He was the only one who took insurance patients. The other four surgeons were fee only. There will be many more of them in the future.
Yes, our doc for 25 years went fee only a year ago. It was that or leave Massachusetts.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:41:35pm |
re: #398 CapeCoddah
Every American, dem or conservative should be horrified at what Reid, Pelosi and Obama are trying to do, how they are trying to do it, absolutely against the will of the vast majority of Americans. It is unconscionable.
The only way you get to a "vast majority" is by rather dishonestly including the very large number of Americans that don't think the legislation goes far enough.
Stop telling us what we should be horrified by, it's classless fear mongering.
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:41:53pm |
Ah yes. Costa Rica. And we all know that every single doctor out there is capable of retaining a wealth foreign clientele because all doctors are highly talented because they earned a degree in medicine. Let put Costa Rica up on the screen. According to the State Department:
SAFETY AND SECURITY: There have been no recent acts of terrorism in Costa Rica. Visitors to Costa Rica may experience the effects of civil disturbances such as work stoppages and strikes. Although infrequent, these acts can create inconveniences for visitors.
...
Crime has become an increasing concern for Costa Ricans and visitors alike. Daytime robberies in public places occur, and thieves have been known to brandish weapons or threaten violence if victims resist. Over one and a half million foreign tourists, the majority American, visit Costa Rica annually. All are potential targets for criminals, primarily thieves looking for cash, jewelry, credit cards, electronic items and passports. U.S. citizens are encouraged to exercise the same level of caution they would in major cities or tourist areas throughout the world. Local law enforcement agencies have limited capabilities and do not act according to U.S. standards. Travelers should minimize driving at night, especially outside urban areas.
Yep, that should be a massive improvement for these imaginary physicians. Leave the USA and set up shop in a banana country with a high crime rate and prone to strikes and work stoppages. Also given the current trend in Central and South America it should be long before Costa Rica elects a real socialist government.
No! Wait. Too late. They already are. The President of Costa Rica is Óscar Arias who is a member of the National Liberation Party which is a member of the Socialist International Party.
Yep, move to Costa Rica to avoid "socialism." Uh huh.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:42:16pm |
re: #426 cliffster
Uh, dude, it's "weather", not "wether".
LOL, Sorry Cliff, I knew that, trying to read and type ... out of practice keeping up!
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:42:29pm |
re: #446 The Shadow Do
I kinda suspect that the opposition (which seems mostly PR driven) will largely dissolve once the damn thing is over.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:42:41pm |
re: #443 Cato the Elder
Funny how "we can't afford it" only draws as an argument when it's about something for nasty greedy poor people or folks whose BMI is too high.
When it's about yet another fighter-bomber program essential to the welfare of Raytheon and General Dynamics and to the defense of our country - even though there is no credible antagonist against whom existing and already-planned fighter-bombers aren't perfectly adequate - nothing's too good for US, and affordability be damned.
get rid of that god awful train wreck, the Education Dept and use those funds to start out
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:42:49pm |
re: #451 CapeCoddah
LOL, Sorry Cliff, I knew that, trying to read and type ... out of practice keeping up!
Hey, you're back! What's up?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:43:07pm |
re: #446 The Shadow Do
What a mess. So Obama leans on them to cast a vote that is apt to cost them their job, with the promise that he will personally come and help them then save it.
Hope and change and a whole lot of trust me.
It's a Catch 22.
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cliffster Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:43:15pm |
I'm off like Anne Boleyn's head. I hope everyone has at least a mildly pleasant evening.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:43:48pm |
re: #387 simoom
IMO partisan respondents were using their answers as a proxy to express whether or not they favored the bill.
It could also be that the questions were things like, "If the Obama regime takes fascist control and implements Death Panels will you comply to his totalitarian rule?"
Wingnuts will respond but normal people will just throw it in the trash.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:43:50pm |
re: #452 windsagio
I kinda suspect that the opposition (which seems mostly PR driven) will largely dissolve once the damn thing is over.
Exactly...the signs will read 'Stop Obamacare! Obamanomics!"
| 459 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:44:05pm |
when the question of legality first came up, we were laughed off the thread....alarmists!, fear mongers!
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:44:34pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
Yeah, right.
Like in "American Beauty", I'm sure they'll all make a happy career change working at the local fast-food and buying that Pontiac Firebird they wanted before starting med school.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:44:37pm |
re: #459 albusteve
when the question of legality first came up, we were laughed off the thread...alarmists!, fear mongers!
sheep
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:45:42pm |
re: #417 NJDhockeyfan
it is not constitutional.
Don't trust Rupert Murdoch and Glenn Beck to tell you about the Constitution. They are loons.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:45:45pm |
re: #450 Gus 802
Ah yes. Costa Rica. And we all know that every single doctor out there is capable of retaining a wealth foreign clientele because all doctors are highly talented because they earned a degree in medicine. Let put Costa Rica up on the screen. According to the State Department:
Yep, that should be a massive improvement for these imaginary physicians. Leave the USA and set up shop in a banana country with a high crime rate and prone to strikes and work stoppages. Also given the current trend in Central and South America it should be long before Costa Rica elects a real socialist government.
No! Wait. Too late. They already are. The President of Costa Rica is Óscar Arias who is a member of the National Liberation Party which is a member of the Socialist International Party.
Yep, move to Costa Rica to avoid "socialism." Uh huh.
did Rush say he was moving to Costa Rica?...where did that come from?
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Macha Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:46:10pm |
re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's beer?
Just for a chaser. There is Paddy, Jameson, Tillamore Dew,Michael Collins, Brennans Cassidy's and my most recent find Feckin Irish Whiskey. Need to keep the plumbing shined up while you are eating all that corned beef.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:04pm |
re: #425 NJDhockeyfan
Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats
Probably another bogus story. They claim he said that but I have yet to see the quote.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:06pm |
re: #459 albusteve
when the question of legality first came up, we were laughed off the thread...alarmists!, fear mongers!
The legality issue exploded today on Politico....
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:14pm |
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:27pm |
re: #420 darthstar
There's a hospital/medical practice in San Francisco that is cash-only. Can't remember its name, but I read about it a couple of years ago. They accept no insurance, but cater to a fairly exclusive crowd that can afford to pay in full.
And what choice will the masses have when they all go fee only? What then, force doctors to accept insurance? We keep sliding down that slippery slope. What happens after that, when no one wants to go to med school? Do we then tell kids which of them are gonna go to med school?
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:31pm |
re: #449 goddamnedfrank
The only way you get to a "vast majority" is by rather dishonestly including the very large number of Americans that don't think the legislation goes far enough.
Stop telling us what we should be horrified by, it's classless fear mongering.
Thank, you.
Here's Jon Stewart demolishing Megyn (Megyn?) "What Are You Lookin' At, Cleavage Brings Ratings!" Kelly and her lyin' lies about poll numbers.
Classic!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:36pm |
re: #462 Killgore Trout
Don't trust Rupert Murdoch and Glenn Beck to tell you about the Constitution. They are loons.
About the author of that article...
Mr. McConnell is a professor and director of the Constitutional Law Center at Stanford Law School and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He formerly served as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit.
Loon?
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:40pm |
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:41pm |
re: #463 albusteve
did Rush say he was moving to Costa Rica?...where did that come from?
Someone said some physicians they know are going to be setting up shop in Costa Rica. Of course since Rush did mention it I think the fact that it's ruled by a socialist is pretty funny.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:47:45pm |
re: #465 TheMatrix31
I'd trust Kilgore over Beck.
Hell, I'd trust Albusteve before I trusted Glenn Beck!
(zing!)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:48:10pm |
I really wish the Republicans, some Republicans, any Republicans would have come on board for this health care reform bill. The Democrats really need the help.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:48:19pm |
re: #467 HoosierHoops
The legality issue exploded today on Politico...
good, it's certainly worth looking at imo
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:48:23pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:48:30pm |
re: #450 Gus 802
Ah yes. Costa Rica. And we all know that every single doctor out there is capable of retaining a wealth foreign clientele because all doctors are highly talented because they earned a degree in medicine. Let put Costa Rica up on the screen. According to the State Department:....;.
Hey, Costa Rica is not that bad. There's a very large middle class that lives in the mountains and on the Pacific side, and there's a large poor population that lives on the Atlantic side in the jungle areas. It's kind of known where the crime areas are, just like in KC, Detroit, or LA there are areas you just don't want to go. They are socialist, e.g. they basically canceled their army a few years back to pay for education.
I support your main argument, just dont' diss Costa Rica so much, it's a great country with fine people.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:48:52pm |
What does Beck's dumbass have to do with the link NJD posted?
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:49:12pm |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:50:01pm |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
You mean ram in a Ben Hur rowing sense, correct?
Those who do not work, neither shall they eat fish.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:50:08pm |
re: #459 albusteve
when the question of legality first came up, we were laughed off the thread...alarmists!, fear mongers!
The constitutionality of the Healthcare bill? What do you think the chances are of a successful Supreme Court ruling against it? Probably not going to happen now, is it? The Constitution is not decided by Glenn Beck's imagination and the Birch Society's fantasies. We have a court for that.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:50:40pm |
re: #427 darthstar
Take 100 billion dollars away from the military every year...we'll still have the largest military budget on the planet, still be safe, and pay for health care at the same time. Hell, take another 50 billion for education...they could use it.
Cant be paid for, that is no where enough. The "Jobs" Bill just jumped from 15 to 18 billion, when the CBO took another look. 20%. You are not using the brain given to you.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:50:43pm |
re: #433 Thanos
I've got 28.5 GB of photos on my pc, 12 gb of music, a Netflix sub, and a blue ray dvd player built into my PC, so I'm thinking about wireless streaming via W7 to my flat screen upstairs and canceling cable except for the basic +internet part.
Any lizards familiar with either of these devices before I make the jump?
NetgearI've got to get the dogs out for a bit but will check back later for any replies, I'm interested in how easy they are to use, how flexible they are between media types, and if you can RC it from upstairs if your PC is downstairs etc.
Not specifically. But I will note that Linksys used to be an outstanding company - use to be. They're owned by Cisco, and their routers and similar equipment designed for the home market under the Linksys brand used to be built to the same high standards their commercial, Cisco-branded equipment was. They were built like tanks, and gave years of trouble-free service.
Not no more. Some bean counter decided to cut costs everywhere possible, and ruined the product line. The last router of theirs I bought overheated right out of the box, and a visit to their website revealed that this was a common problem - in fact, no one seemed to have a working unit. Linksys completely ignored this problem, and refused to issue refunds or accept exchanges, despite putting out a product that wouldn't run for more than five minutes before wandering off into heatstroke limbo.
I finally solved the problem by installing third-party firmware. Somehow, open-source hackers managed to put together an OS for the router that actually, you know, worked, where Linksys totally failed.
I will never buy another of their products. Netgear has a good reputation, we use them increasingly at work, and I'd much rather get hardware that does what it's supposed to than an expensive boat anchor.
[rant off]
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:50:52pm |
re: #476 albusteve
good, it's certainly worth looking at imo
Glad you're here, Steve. i know you don't like American Idol much, but tonight its all Rolling Stones songs, so it might be worth your time. Just wanted to let you know.
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:50:54pm |
re: #463 albusteve
did Rush say he was moving to Costa Rica?...where did that come from?
Seems as though they have a rather well-established medical tourism industry for those who can afford it.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:51:04pm |
re: #473 Gus 802
Someone said some physicians they know are going to be setting up shop in Costa Rica. Of course since Rush did mention it I think the fact that it's ruled by a socialist is pretty funny.
maybe it's just a fun name to toss around...it's not even considered a Caribbean country I don't think....double irony
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lawhawk Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:51:14pm |
re: #462 Killgore Trout
Loons they may be, but it is a genuine legal argument that could gather traction. Still, the courts will likely support that the constitutional basis is Art 1 Sec 8, Cl 18 (necessary and proper). Depending on who hears the case, they may find that this new program entitlement uses and abuses the doctrine. I doubt that any such case would succeed.
I still find it astounding that people aren't focusing on the fact that the taxes and penalties kick in before the benefits do - because the government needs to build up a reserve in order to make the books look balanced for the 10 year trend, but when you look at individual year outlays and revenues when the program is in operation, the picture gets bleaker.
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:51:18pm |
re: #478 Thanos
Hey, Costa Rica is not that bad. There's a very large middle class that lives in the mountains and on the Pacific side, and there's a large poor population that lives on the Atlantic side in the jungle areas. It's kind of known where the crime areas are, just like in KC, Detroit, or LA there are areas you just don't want to go. They are socialist, e.g. they basically canceled their army a few years back to pay for education.
I support your main argument, just dont' diss Costa Rica so much, it's a great country with fine people.
Yeah, I agree. Was just adding a little drama to my words.
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:51:37pm |
re: #482 Killgore Trout
The constitutionality of the Healthcare bill? What do you think the chances are of a successful Supreme Court ruling against it? Probably not going to happen now, is it? The Constitution is not decided by Glenn Beck's imagination and the Birch Society's fantasies. We have a court for that.
they didn't like McCain/Fineburg so much now did they?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:51:48pm |
re: #480 windsagio
Its a WSJ editorial, so probably :p
By a former judge from the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals. I'll take his word over yours.
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Macha Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:52:22pm |
re: #358 solomonpanting
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
That'll learn them insurance companies.
Never happen. They were happy little campers to go along with the HMOs when all that started up. Saw little greenbacks drifting in their eyeballs the way some people see little black spots. Then they found that the insurance companies didn't play nice and took away a whole bunch of their ability to make medical decisions. But as long as the dollars kept rolling in, there wasn't too much of a protest.
It is all a fart in a windstorm when you hear these kinds of things.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:53:03pm |
re: #475 Walter L. Newton
I really wish the Republicans, some Republicans, any Republicans would have come on board for this health care reform bill. The Democrats really need the help.
when the deal is sweet enough, the votes will be there...even the Cosa Nostra cut deals with the feds
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:53:09pm |
re: #491 NJDhockeyfan
of course you will, he's telling you what you wanna hear.
His credentials are just convenient.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:53:23pm |
re: #435 iceweasel
I'm pretty sure the Boy Scouts of America don't have any jurisdiction here.
No, asshole, but, Americans do.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:53:43pm |
LOL. WSJ is now "loons".
What WORLD am I living in?
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:53:50pm |
Unless...the judge is an activist one!11!!1 Those you can disregard!
;)
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:54:38pm |
re: #495 CapeCoddah
the proper usage, when referring to a female, is not 'asshole', but rather 'bitch'.
I weep for the decay of our culture.
(If you're missing my point, it is: Stay classy!)
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:00pm |
re: #478 Thanos
Hey, Costa Rica is not that bad. There's a very large middle class that lives in the mountains and on the Pacific side, and there's a large poor population that lives on the Atlantic side in the jungle areas. It's kind of known where the crime areas are, just like in KC, Detroit, or LA there are areas you just don't want to go. They are socialist, e.g. they basically canceled their army a few years back to pay for education.
I support your main argument, just dont' diss Costa Rica so much, it's a great country with fine people.
a beach lovers, and divers paradise, not to mention the tropical mountains
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:10pm |
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:11pm |
re: #495 CapeCoddah
No, asshole, but, Americans do.
for me there is no point in discussion, the lines are drawn & what will be will be.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:24pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:27pm |
re: #494 windsagio
of course you will, he's telling you what you wanna hear.
His credentials are just convenient.
What are yours?
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:28pm |
re: #495 CapeCoddah
No, asshole, but, Americans do.
Dearie me. Sumbdie's goat thur knickers in an awfy twist tonight.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:55:57pm |
re: #499 albusteve
Also a dollar goes a freaking LOOOONG way. A moderatly OK american can live like Caligula down there, or maybe like Caesar for the less adventurous.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:56:32pm |
re: #480 windsagio
Its a WSJ editorial, so probably :p
The Constitutionality issue is today's big wingnut meme-- probably will be for the whole week. the WSJ, NRO, and others are all over it.
They're living in a fantasy world, though, as usual. Good rundown on it over at Washington Monthly with lots of links, but here's the takeaway:
THE IOKIYAR RULE, PROCEDURAL EDITION
[...]
As expected, the responding tantrum is nearing full force. The WSJ editorial page is outraged; Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) is suggesting laws approved through the self-executing rule aren't laws that Americans have to follow; and assorted GOP voices, on and off the Hill, are characterizing the deem-and-pass approach as unconstitutional.
Of particular interest were complaints from Rep. David Dreier (R-Calif.), the ranking member on the House Rules Committee, who called use of the self-executing rule "very painful and troubling." It's interesting -- Dreier found the rule neither painful nor troubling when he used it in 2006.
Indeed, while the deem-and-pass approach used to be rare, its use became far more common 15 years ago -- right after Republicans took over Congress. Don Wolfensberger, former chief of staff for the House Rules Committee under Republicans, explained in a column a few years ago, "When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)."
It's a familiar pattern -- Republicans open doors, and then whine incessantly when Democrats walk through them.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:56:48pm |
re: #488 lawhawk
Loons they may be, but it is a genuine legal argument that could gather traction. Still, the courts will likely support that the constitutional basis is Art 1 Sec 8, Cl 18 (necessary and proper). Depending on who hears the case, they may find that this new program entitlement uses and abuses the doctrine. I doubt that any such case would succeed.
I still find it astounding that people aren't focusing on the fact that the taxes and penalties kick in before the benefits do - because the government needs to build up a reserve in order to make the books look balanced for the 10 year trend, but when you look at individual year outlays and revenues when the program is in operation, the picture gets bleaker.
Sure, sure... and I suppose that you understand legal things better than most of the commenters here... come on... you're being funny... right?
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:07pm |
re: #495 CapeCoddah
No, asshole, but, Americans do.
Piss off. You are uninformed, ignorant, and idiotic.
| 509 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:09pm |
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:11pm |
re: #409 Decatur Deb
Round the guttersnipes up!!
Teach them a useful trade and send them out to the factories!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:20pm |
re: #496 TheMatrix31
LOL. WSJ is now "loons".
What WORLD am I living in?
Left-Liberal Land. Where anything right of the New York Times is "crazy".
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:25pm |
re: #190 iceweasel
Thanks for the correction on the diary. or Dkos. And the kind wishes on our health. I may just have to get over there and post my counterpoint. With all due respect for the good work they do- Amnesty International has a certain extra critical attitude toward the USA, so that's another grain of salt. Some of their reports make the Goldstone report look good.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:30pm |
re: #503 NJDhockeyfan
None that apply, but interestingly I haven't really made any statements except that the WSJ editorial page is notoriously biased.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:39pm |
re: #500 windsagio
We know which world YOU'RE living in.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:39pm |
Meanwhile, Wild Irish Rose has completely lost it and gone vicious stalker on Charles, LGF and assorted eevul lizards. She should rename her blog "A Wild Irish Hair Up A Wild Irish Butt."
The stalkers she hated so much at Douchemogracy are talking about bloglinking her now.
Heh.
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:57:58pm |
re: #496 TheMatrix31
LOL. WSJ is now "loons".
What WORLD am I living in?
Probably the same one were some folks think that Fox News Corporation is a better news organization than the New York Times.
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lawhawk Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:01pm |
re: #507 Walter L. Newton
What I amuse you? You think I'm funny? Funny how? How the frak do you think I'm funny? /pulling out the Brooklyn accent
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:07pm |
re: #443 Cato the Elder
Funny how "we can't afford it" only draws as an argument when it's about something for nasty greedy poor people or folks whose BMI is too high.
When it's about yet another fighter-bomber program essential to the welfare of Raytheon and General Dynamics and to the defense of our country - even though there is no credible antagonist against whom existing and already-planned fighter-bombers aren't perfectly adequate - nothing's too good for US, and affordability be damned.
Cato, I love you... but, it is NOT affordable. Rates will skyrocket like nothing you have ever seen. I am a live witness.
This will make the poor poorer, by fining those who cannot afford it. A hell of a lot more than 30 mil will be priced out of insurance and into fines with zero coverage. FACT. It will really hurt those you want to help even more.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:35pm |
re: #488 lawhawk
I have no doubt there may legitimate constitutional issues. I'm not a Constitutional scholar but Murdoch's outlets and right wing blogs have claimed everything under Obama is unconstitutional. TARP, Cash for Clunkers, Healthcare Reform, Nirth Cirtifikit, fishing ban, FEMA Camps, etc. I just doubt we'll see a challenge of healthcare reform make it to the Supreme Court. Today's conservatives are operating with an entirely different interpretation of the Constitution which doesn't apply in the real world so I'm skeptical when I see the same bogus claim repeated again and again. If the Court rules against it I'll stand corrected.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:37pm |
re: #510 ryannon
That's from my favorite WKRP episode--Bailey and the child psychologist.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:39pm |
best wishes for the mother of my boss. She's an 89 year old widow who just suffered a massive coronary; cardiac function is at 30%, and she's not expected to live much longer.
Her children are all over the place, and it'll take some time to line up visas and such to get them all here. (She's in Texas - they're EVERYWHERE but Africa, Antarctica, and Australia). They're a large and traditional Chinese family, and it would crush them to lose their mother without being able to say farewell.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:47pm |
re: #514 TheMatrix31
You do? You're a lifesaver!!! I got lost in the course of my planar wanderings >>
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:51pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:52pm |
re: #488 lawhawk
I don't get it Lawhawk.. Why not a three part program?
The first couple of years go for the low hanging fruit.. The savings .. The general agreeable points by both parties..
Come to vote in a couple of years and if things go well..Like let my premiums go down..Then Enact more sweeping reforms...Vote on the progress in a few more years..Continue down this road responsibly and you have America behind you..We want to succeed for goodness sake..But do it in stages and show success at each stage of the journey to Health care reform. and correct the failures...
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:58:53pm |
re: #482 Killgore Trout
The constitutionality of the Healthcare bill? What do you think the chances are of a successful Supreme Court ruling against it? Probably not going to happen now, is it? The Constitution is not decided by Glenn Beck's imagination and the Birch Society's fantasies. We have a court for that.
the issue of mandating we buy insurance from a subsidized entity...Beck has nothing to do with it...I don't follow Beck and he's never been mentioned in the articles I've read about the concern...you have the fixation with Beck, not me, I don't give a crap what he talks about....he can scare the entire right side of the country off a cliff...nothing I can do about it
| 526 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:59:09pm |
re: #449 goddamnedfrank
The only way you get to a "vast majority" is by rather dishonestly including the very large number of Americans that don't think the legislation goes far enough.
Stop telling us what we should be horrified by, it's classless fear mongering.
You, sir, are a fool.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:59:09pm |
re: #505 windsagio
Also a dollar goes a freaking LOOONG way. A moderatly OK american can live like Caligula down there, or maybe like Caesar for the less adventurous.
Not to mention that it is one of the few countries were foreigners are allowed to own land. This has fueled a boom in real estate, as American (and other nations') retirees snag property, improve it, and live in relative splendor in their declining years. There's a very large American expatriate community down there, especially around San Jose.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:59:24pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:59:29pm |
re: #471 NJDhockeyfan
Loon?
He's well educated. has had a stellar career, and has been considered as a nominee to the Supreme Court. Could still be a loon, or at least someone with whom I would strenuously disagree:
In 1996, again as a law professor, McConnell signed a statement supporting a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, which read, "Abortion kills 1.5 million innocent human beings in America every year...We believe that the abortion license is a critical factor in America's virtue deficit."
And
Christian Perspectives on Legal Thought
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 4:59:32pm |
re: #522 windsagio
Don't expect me to put you back on proper course.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:00:05pm |
re: #454 Varek Raith
Hey, you're back! What's up?
Hey Varek, been working, lots of trips between Florida and the Cape. How are you?
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:00:13pm |
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brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:00:15pm |
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:00:18pm |
re: #485 Dark_Falcon
Glad you're here, Steve. i know you don't like American Idol much, but tonight its all Rolling Stones songs, so it might be worth your time. Just wanted to let you know.
you cannot sing Stones lyrics on TV can you?...well maybe some songs
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:00:37pm |
re: #517 lawhawk
What I amuse you? You think I'm funny? Funny how? How the frak do you think I'm funny? /pulling out the Brooklyn accent
You mean Joysee accent.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:00:51pm |
re: #528 The Shadow Do
nice post
Thanks.
I already posted links upthread about why the constitutionality issue is dead in the water. But you can't force people to read or to learn actual issues if they'd rather repeat wingnut memes.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:01:00pm |
re: #462 Killgore Trout
Don't trust Rupert Murdoch and Glenn Beck to tell you about the Constitution. They are loons.
The Constitution is readily available for anyone to read.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:01:27pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:01:33pm |
re: #515 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, Wild Irish Rose has completely lost it and gone vicious stalker on Charles, LGF and assorted eevul lizards. She should rename her blog "A Wild Irish Hair Up A Wild Irish Butt."
The stalkers she hated so much at Douchemogracy are talking about bloglinking her now.
Heh.
Savage linked to her last night. She now on the "Blogmocracy Blog Roll". As such, the only thing remaining to say about Irish Rose is:
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:01:51pm |
re: #531 CapeCoddah
Hey Varek, been working, lots of trips between Florida and the Cape. How are you?
Doing alright.
:)
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:02:12pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:02:53pm |
The bill isn't what's unconstitutional, it's the method by which they're discussing to pass it---the Slaughter Rule---that is in question.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:03:14pm |
re: #515 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, Wild Irish Rose has completely lost it and gone vicious stalker on Charles, LGF and assorted eevul lizards. She should rename her blog "A Wild Irish Hair Up A Wild Irish Butt."
The stalkers she hated so much at Douchemogracy are talking about bloglinking her now.
Heh.
You sure spend a lot of time at the stalker blog. Glutton for punishment?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:03:36pm |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:03:45pm |
re: #537 CapeCoddah
The Constitution is readily available for anyone to read.
Where in the Constitution does it say controversial legislation shall only pass by at least a two-thirds majority? I must have snoozed through that part, only to be sent into reeling shock about the 3/5ths-of-a-man rule.
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:03:48pm |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
You sure spend a lot of time at the stalker blog. Glutton for punishment?
Recon Mission.
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lawhawk Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:03:49pm |
re: #535 Walter L. Newton
I can do one of dose too, but Joe is from Brooklyn.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:04:26pm |
re: #537 CapeCoddah
The Constitution is readily available for anyone to read.
Indeed, and the Court has the final say on complex issues. People with delusions that the court is going to invalidate Healthcare reform are only kidding themselves. It's also an unpersuasive talking point to mindlessly run around screaming how everything is unConstitutional. That's why Ron Paul can win at CPAC but will only get 2-3% in a general election.
| 549 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:04:53pm |
| 550 |
SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:04:57pm |
re: #537 CapeCoddah
The Constitution is readily available for anyone to read.
Constitutional or not, this does not seem like a door the Democrats ought to open. It sets an extremely bad precedent, and removes all accountability for legislation. Like Congress' automated raises, which take effect so long as no one explicitly votes against them, it is pure slime of the highest order.
| 551 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:00pm |
re: #547 lawhawk
I can do one of dose too, but Joe is from Brooklyn.
It's interesting when pundits opinions carry more weight then learned legal ones?
| 552 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:14pm |
re: #498 windsagio
the proper usage, when referring to a female, is not 'asshole', but rather 'bitch'.
I weep for the decay of our culture.
(If you're missing my point, it is: Stay classy!)
Wondering if you ever asked IW to "Stay Classy"?
I will decide upon my own usage, but thanks for the tip.
| 553 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:24pm |
re: #509 Thanos
Let's not forget the fine Coffee either. My favorite brand after Jamaica Blue mountain: Tarrazu
I've visited some coffee plantations in Jamaica...very interesting gig, but I never got with Blue Mountain...I'd bring it home for gifts tho and people loved it...ten years ago or more the Japanese were paying as much as $25 a pound for that stuff and were trying to muscle in on the business down there...they did to some extent I think....but BMC is a national treasure for the Jamaicans...btw, the Japanese got deep into commercial fishing there as well
| 554 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:43pm |
| 555 |
brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:53pm |
re: #537 CapeCoddah
The Constitution is readily available for anyone to read.
just let it be, the struggle is bigger that any blog.
| 556 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:57pm |
re: #534 albusteve
you cannot sing Stones lyrics on TV can you?...well maybe some songs
If the Stones signed off on it, you could. I'll check it out, since it might be worth viewing.
| 557 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:05:59pm |
re: #544 goddamnedfrank
Oh shit, well, I guess I'll stop reading it then.
Say, do you have any good sites for me to read then? I already have MSNBC and the Times in my favorites, so no need to suggest those.
| 558 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:06:03pm |
re: #542 TheMatrix31
The bill isn't what's unconstitutional, it's the method by which they're discussing to pass it---the Slaughter Rule---that is in question.
Before you go down this road, you might want to find a precedent under which any other law has been overturned by SCOTUS due to the procedural method of its passage.
| 559 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:06:39pm |
| 560 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:06:42pm |
re: #550 SixDegrees
you think they give a shit about precedent?
| 561 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:07:17pm |
re: #552 CapeCoddah
Wondering if you ever asked IW to "Stay Classy"?
I will decide upon my own usage, but thanks for the tip.
Hey Iceweasel.
"Stay Classy, bitch."
(by request)
| 562 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:09:39pm |
re: #553 albusteve
It's the Rolling Stones Night on American Idol right now..
You can listen to some boys trash the greatest Rock and Roll band of all time.
It's painful execpt for the clips of the Stones between songs...
/There ought to be a law Steve...American Idol.
| 563 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:09:42pm |
re: #515 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, Wild Irish Rose has completely lost it and gone vicious stalker on Charles, LGF and assorted eevul lizards. She should rename her blog "A Wild Irish Hair Up A Wild Irish Butt."
The stalkers she hated so much at Douchemogracy are talking about bloglinking her now.
Heh.
They already linked her. It seems that Irish Rose now relies entirely on the kindness of stalkers. But from what I've heard, even they aren't buying her warped, jealousy inspired bullshit.
| 564 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:09:43pm |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
Oh, go trip over a hockey stick.
| 565 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:09:47pm |
re: #379 darthstar
My dad, retired now, is against it. Not because he thinks its bad, but because it's being pushed through by Democrats. He's not stupid, he's just towing the party line...and he watches Fox exclusively.
Fox News! Ahhhhhhhhhh!
////
| 566 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:09:51pm |
Ahoy, settle down all o' ye, or nay rations this week, gar!
| 567 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:10:14pm |
re: #550 SixDegrees
Constitutional or not, this does not seem like a door the Democrats ought to open. It sets an extremely bad precedent, and removes all accountability for legislation.
You fail to understand the fervor to pass the bill: by any means necessary, the consequences be damned.
| 568 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:10:49pm |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
If the Stones signed off on it, you could. I'll check it out, since it might be worth viewing.
I meant in terms of the vulgarity factor...those guys are evil thugs
| 569 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:10:56pm |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
That was out of line. Don't be so hostile, we're all on the same side where the stalkers are concerned.
| 570 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:11:08pm |
re: #566 Varek Raith
Ahoy, settle down all o' ye, or nay rations this week, gar!
I'll see to it that we withhold the lime in the water so then they'll get scurvy.
Argh.
/
| 571 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:11:26pm |
re: #569 Dark_Falcon
That was out of line. Don't be so hostile, we're all on the same side where the stalkers are concerned.
It wasn't meant to be hostile.
| 572 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:11:53pm |
re: #554 NJDhockeyfan
he (or more likely the managers he appointed) would likely have something to do with which judges get printed.
| 573 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:12:05pm |
re: #570 Gus 802
I'll see to it that we withhold the lime in the water so then they'll get scurvy.
Argh.
/
Aye, ye be doin' that!
| 574 |
SixDegrees Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:12:31pm |
re: #560 TheMatrix31
you think they give a shit about precedent?
Probably not. But this is a real Pandora's box. I foresee all kinds of mischief coming from this in the future.
In the shorter term, it's a sign of pure desperation. The House Dems are betting that all their objections to the bill - and they are legion - will magically be resolved by the Senate, out of the goodness of that chamber's heart. The chances of that occurring are probably less than zero, they're so small. The House will get bitten in the ass, big time, and be forced to go home and explain to their constituents why a bill they were opposed to got passed, and how it got passed without their representatives actually casting a vote on it, as their job allegedly requires.
| 575 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:12:38pm |
re: #557 TheMatrix31
Oh shit, well, I guess I'll stop reading it then.
Say, do you have any good sites for me to read then? I already have MSNBC and the Times in my favorites, so no need to suggest those.
Kos and HuffPost.
| 576 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:12:50pm |
re: #515 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, Wild Irish Rose has completely lost it and gone vicious stalker on Charles, LGF and assorted eevul lizards. She should rename her blog "A Wild Irish Hair Up A Wild Irish Butt."
The stalkers she hated so much at Douchemogracy are talking about bloglinking her now.
Heh.
That's some sick shit.
| 577 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:13:03pm |
re: #569 Dark_Falcon
I don't think its out of line. If people ON BOTH SIDES stopped fucking paying attention to each other, maybe the political blogosphere wouldn't resemble a fucking junior high. It's beyond pathetic.
| 578 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:13:55pm |
re: #577 TheMatrix31
of course, there wasn't a concerted effort to poison the waters by one side or anything...
| 579 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:14:38pm |
re: #572 windsagio
he (or more likely the managers he appointed) would likely have something to do with which judges get printed.
I wonder if he's going to inform the White House what Obama is allowed to say tomorrow night.
| 580 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:14:55pm |
re: #565 NJDhockeyfan
Fox News! Ahhh!
///
Guess where Obama will be exclusively interviewed tomorrow?
| 581 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:05pm |
re: #563 Jimmah
They already linked her. It seems that Irish Rose now relies entirely on the kindness of stalkers. But from what I've heard, even they aren't buying her warped, jealousy inspired bullshit.
Apparently she's now posting comments from "jummy" and "FriedLizard", two psychos who spammed CJ's interview on Dangerous Minds. Happily chatting away with her new pals.
I must say, for someone who pretended to be all about 'anti-stalkers', she's been doing an excellent imitation of a deranged obsessive hater herself, right down to insulting emails to and posts about Charles.
Poor banned St Rose the Martyr. Attention whore and drama queen extraordinaire.
| 582 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:06pm |
re: #577 TheMatrix31
I don't think its out of line. If people ON BOTH SIDES stopped fucking paying attention to each other, maybe the political blogosphere wouldn't resemble a fucking junior high. It's beyond pathetic.
Have a deeelicious maggot.
| 583 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:28pm |
re: #578 windsagio
When it comes to this stupidity, both sides are equally responsible. One for creating, one for perpetuating. Both for not giving it up and acting like fucking adults.
| 584 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:33pm |
What the hell just happened?
Could we all just put down the folding chairs, return all bottles to the bar-top, and just take a deep breath?
We're all friends here.
| 585 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:40pm |
re: #562 HoosierHoops
It's the Rolling Stones Night on American Idol right now..
You can listen to some boys trash the greatest Rock and Roll band of all time.
It's painful execpt for the clips of the Stones between songs...
/There ought to be a law Steve...American Idol.
I'd watch it, but then I'd have to kill myself
| 586 |
brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:51pm |
re: #580 solomonpanting
Guess where Obama will be exclusively interviewed tomorrow?
I still won't watch TV...
| 587 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:15:58pm |
re: #567 solomonpanting
You fail to understand the fervor to pass the bill: by any means necessary, the consequences be damned.
The house and senate versions have been voted by officials elected by a majority of the American people. Now the struggle has degenerated into a desperate procedural spat. There might be a legal question worthy of review, but there is no moral one.
| 588 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:16:31pm |
re: #584 Guanxi88
What the hell just happened?
Could we all just put down the folding chairs, return all bottles to the bar-top, and just take a deep breath?
We're all friends here.
*Clobbers Guanxi88 over the head*
Your proposal of a cease-fire is accepted.
;)
| 589 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:16:31pm |
re: #557 TheMatrix31
Oh shit, well, I guess I'll stop reading it then.
Say, do you have any good sites for me to read then? I already have MSNBC and the Times in my favorites, so no need to suggest those.
Freerepublic and Infowars.
/You can find the links at The Drudge Report.
| 590 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:16:37pm |
re: #584 Guanxi88
What the hell just happened?
Could we all just put down the folding chairs, return all bottles to the bar-top, and just take a deep breath?
We're all friends here.
Fuck you very much ; )
| 591 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:17:16pm |
| 592 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:17:45pm |
re: #569 Dark_Falcon
That was out of line. Don't be so hostile, we're all on the same side where the stalkers are concerned.
Irish Rose is in bed wit the very people on her original hit list...what a bunch of friggin whackos
| 593 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:18:11pm |
Please pardon a repost from the Sinclair thread.
Sometimes, trying to refrain from an "I told you so" is very, very difficult. Please forgive me for pointing a few things out and having some pride.
Starting almost a year ago, I was called all manner of names for saying that the best science I knew predicts a sea level rise in the two meter range by the end of the century.
I was called alarmist.
I was called shrieking.
I had my credentials questioned as a standard tactic.
I had pearl clutching non-scientists who knew nothing of the field, boldly pronouncing that I could not possibly be a scientist for saying such "chicken little" things.
And yet, what is it that the actual papers, that I draw my information from, say?
Right now the consensus is seal level rises in the 2 meter range by the end of the century. Important thought - what does a six foot rise do to some place like NY and what does that do to America?
If I am telling you science that you haven't heard it is because I am an actual scientist who keeps up with the field. It takes a few months to even a year for things to filter through the MSM.
It is also important to note the rank hypocrisy of the other side. The IPCC and the Sidall paper (with their low ball estimates, one for political reasons and the other for honest error) were held up as evidence that "it could not possibly be that bad" and taken as the word of G-d despite all of the other data and science that was pointed out.
Right? I couldn't possibly be a scientist because of this?
And it is even more interesting to note that the deniers, who used to hold Sidall and the low ball predictions up as some sort of evidence for their side, now see the retraction of Sidall as evidence that the science is wrong. Nope, Sidall's paper was brought in line with the rest of the evidence. Things are much worse than it says. That is evidence that AGW is worse and not better. So it is interesting that the paper that these folks championed as questioning AGW, getting retracted suddenly becomes just some paper that was retracted (as if they were not trumpeting it as proof a few months ago) suddenly become by dint of retraction more "evidence" for their unreasoning side.
So a paper that seems to question AGW by being lowball is evidence until it is retracted as wrong - and then the retraction itself makes all of science wrong.
| 594 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:18:25pm |
re: #589 Gus 802
Silly me. I didn't know WSJ was now on the level of filth at those two sites.
It's all so hard to keep up with.
| 595 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:18:49pm |
re: #587 Decatur Deb
There might be a legal question worthy of review, but there is no moral one.
Only the one of how much one desires more and more government in one's life.
| 596 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:18:52pm |
re: #584 Guanxi88
What the hell just happened?
Could we all just put down the folding chairs, return all bottles to the bar-top, and just take a deep breath?
We're all friends here.
No, we are not. We are however reasonable adults who can maintain decorum and intelligent discussion even with some people we dislike.
/sorry but I am a stickler for honesty. Not everyone here is friends with everyone else if for naught else than the wide spectrum of views here, and that's ok as long as we are adult.
| 597 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:18:52pm |
re: #545 Cato the Elder
Where in the Constitution does it say controversial legislation shall only pass by at least a two-thirds majority? I must have snoozed through that part, only to be sent into reeling shock about the 3/5ths-of-a-man rule.
Says nothing about controversial. It DOES say that legislation MUST pass both houses of congress before being presented to the president for signature. It is pretty clear.
| 598 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:18:55pm |
re: #588 Varek Raith
*Clobbers Guanxi88 over the head*
Your proposal of a cease-fire is accepted.
;)
re: #590 goddamnedfrank
Fuck you very much ; )
There, see, THAT's the kinda violence we're supposed to engage in. That's the kinda mayhem we can all support.
But this tearing bits and pieces outta each other over things that are beyond our control and which, at the end of the day, don't require our support or opposition one way or another, I mean, it's like watching a Red Sox fan and a Yankees fan knifing each other in the parking lot. You applaud the fervor, but question its object.
| 599 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:19:55pm |
re: #558 goddamnedfrank
Before you go down this road, you might want to find a precedent under which any other law has been overturned by SCOTUS due to the procedural method of its passage.
Has a house member ever brought legal action for being disenfranchised of their vote? i.e. each state has representatives, each rep has one vote. That vote can't be taken away while a member is lawfully seated.
"The President just signed legislation I did not have the opportunity to offer my yea/nea on".
| 600 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:20:02pm |
re: #581 iceweasel
Apparently she's now posting comments from "jummy" and "FriedLizard", two psychos who spammed CJ's interview on Dangerous Minds. Happily chatting away with her new pals.
I must say, for someone who pretended to be all about 'anti-stalkers', she's been doing an excellent imitation of a deranged obsessive hater herself, right down to insulting emails to and posts about Charles.
Poor banned St Rose the Martyr. Attention whore and drama queen extraordinaire.
She has a blog?
| 601 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:20:11pm |
re: #597 CapeCoddah
Says nothing about controversial. It DOES say that legislation MUST pass both houses of congress before being presented to the president for signature. It is pretty clear.
And it seems like that's going to happen, and there will be reconciliation, and I can't find anything in the Constitution to prevent that.
So what's all the Constitutional posturing about?
| 602 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:20:56pm |
re: #598 Guanxi88
you're not gonna like this post,
But when certain people decide to make their occasional visits, the atmosphere around here gets substantially more poisonous.
Its only human nature to follow suit in that situation (altho we should all fight it)
| 603 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:21:02pm |
re: #595 solomonpanting
Only the one of how much one desires more and more government in one's life.
That's something every generation gets to decide. If we go too far, we step back, with little of the catastrophe predicted in any moment.
| 604 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:21:07pm |
re: #600 Walter L. Newton
She has a blog?
oh man...now you've done it...it's the Irish Rose Thread!...
| 606 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:22:11pm |
re: #555 brookly red
just let it be, the struggle is bigger that any blog.
No, Brookley, we cannot "Let it be". We are in this mess because the American people have not kept a close enough eye on what our elected officials do. It is time to wake up and stand up. If not, we will lose what and who we are.
| 607 |
brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:22:40pm |
re: #604 albusteve
oh man...now you've done it...it's the Irish Rose Thread!...
/well it is in honor of St. P's day...
| 608 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:22:48pm |
re: #598 Guanxi88
There, see, THAT's the kinda violence we're supposed to engage in. That's the kinda mayhem we can all support.
But this tearing bits and pieces outta each other over things that are beyond our control and which, at the end of the day, don't require our support or opposition one way or another, I mean, it's like watching a Red Sox fan and a Yankees fan knifing each other in the parking lot. You applaud the fervor, but question its object.
agreed, people fight over the most stupid subjects here....Stupidists
| 609 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:23:06pm |
| 610 |
prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:23:40pm |
re: #604 albusteve
What's shakin, bacon. How's the temperature of the room?
| 612 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:24:00pm |
re: #433 Thanos
I've got 28.5 GB of photos on my pc, 12 gb of music, a Netflix sub, and a blue ray dvd player built into my PC, so I'm thinking about wireless streaming via W7 to my flat screen upstairs and canceling cable except for the basic +internet part.
Any lizards familiar with either of these devices before I make the jump?
NetgearI've got to get the dogs out for a bit but will check back later for any replies, I'm interested in how easy they are to use, how flexible they are between media types, and if you can RC it from upstairs if your PC is downstairs etc.
I've used both.
Linksys was better by A LOT.
| 613 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:24:01pm |
re: #600 Walter L. Newton
And by the way Walter, 593 is pointed specifically at you and your buddy Bagua who were the two biggest trumpeters of the Sidall paper.
You two have been and continue to be consistently wrong on the science and nothing ever seems to sway you from sanctimoniously assumig that you know something about it. Just perusing literature for the random thing that fits your world view, and then drawing the conclusion you wanted to reach, is not researching a topic.
| 614 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:24:09pm |
re: #602 windsagio
you're not gonna like this post,
But when certain people decide to make their occasional visits, the atmosphere around here gets substantially more poisonous.
Its only human nature to follow suit in that situation (altho we should all fight it)
Eh, I didn't catch anything before the post on my boss' mother. All I know is it looks like a huge whirling mass of elbows and fists and such in a room full of normally well-behaved and reasonable folk.
So some guys are shit-stirrers - I'm at least as guilty of that as anyone else, if I'm outta tobacco, coffee, or my mind - all three of which can and will happen from time to time.
| 615 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:24:29pm |
re: #606 CapeCoddah
No, Brookley, we cannot "Let it be". We are in this mess because the American people have not kept a close enough eye on what our elected officials do. It is time to wake up and stand up. If not, we will lose what and who we are.
Pardon me, but there is nothing in the Constitution to say that we couldn't, for example, go socialist. As in Sweden.
Plenty of people's heads would explode, but there would be nothing unconstitutional about it.
If Dick Nixon hadn't screwed the pooch, we'd have had national health care starting in the mid seventies.
| 616 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:03pm |
re: #594 TheMatrix31
Silly me. I didn't know WSJ was now on the level of filth at those two sites.
It's all so hard to keep up with.
The OpEds have increasingly gone to shit there, accelerated after the Murdoch purchase.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily say that I consider the vast majority of the OpEds in the NYT and WaPo to also be shit.
Just a caveat lecteur.
(cato, don't beat me if I'm misremembering that phrase)
| 617 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:07pm |
re: #612 reine.de.tout
I've used both.
Linksys was better by A LOT.
I use Linksys and it never failed me so far.
| 618 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:20pm |
re: #594 TheMatrix31
Silly me. I didn't know WSJ was now on the level of filth at those two sites.
It's all so hard to keep up with.
It's been said before. People will slam one news outlet over the other all the time. No sense in making hay over it. Like the New York Times which I think is a fine newspaper. I don't read commentaries in general -- anywhere. Well, except for here of course. That's part of the problem with all news outlets. op-eds are being confused with news. A biproduct of that is that people will judge a news outlet by the op-eds.
| 619 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:24pm |
re: #603 Decatur Deb
That's something every generation gets to decide. If we go too far, we step back, with little of the catastrophe predicted in any moment.
If only that were the case. A program of this scale will be extremely difficult to step back from, once put into motion. Remember, the income tax and social security both began at 1%.
| 620 |
brookly red Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:32pm |
re: #606 CapeCoddah
No, Brookley, we cannot "Let it be". We are in this mess because the American people have not kept a close enough eye on what our elected officials do. It is time to wake up and stand up. If not, we will lose what and who we are.
exactly so don't waste your breath where it won't do any good... the time spent doing so could be e-mailing you elected representatives.
| 621 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:42pm |
re: #612 reine.de.tout
I've used both.
Linksys was better by A LOT.
Thanks, now you've opened a can of worms :) ... where you able to see your media on the TV and use some kind of remote or something to move around on your hard drive or in Windows Media ctr?
| 622 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:25:54pm |
re: #613 LudwigVanQuixote
And by the way Walter, 593 is pointed specifically at you and your buddy Bagua who were the two biggest trumpeters of the Sidall paper.
You two have been and continue to be consistently wrong on the science and nothing ever seems to sway you from sanctimoniously assumig that you know something about it. Just perusing literature for the random thing that fits your world view, and then drawing the conclusion you wanted to reach, is not researching a topic.
surfing for trouble again?....feeling inadequate?
| 623 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:26:29pm |
re: #618 Gus 802
It's been said before. People will slam one news outlet over the other all the time. No sense in making hay over it. Like the New York Times which I think is a fine newspaper. I don't read commentaries in general -- anywhere. Well, except for here of course. That's part of the problem with all news outlets. op-eds are being confused with news. A biproduct of that is that people will judge a news outlet by the op-eds.
Well said.
| 624 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:26:41pm |
re: #622 albusteve
surfing for trouble again?...feeling inadequate?
That would be a case study in projection there troll.
| 625 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:26:52pm |
re: #587 Decatur Deb
The house and senate versions have been voted by officials elected by a majority of the American people. Now the struggle has degenerated into a desperate procedural spat. There might be a legal question worthy of review, but there is no moral one.
Elected officials are REPRESENTATIVES, not KEEPERS of the majority of Americans who elect them. They need to listen to their constituents, not go rogue once elected, as they all do.
That is the crux of all of the problems we face.
| 626 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:26:57pm |
re: #613 LudwigVanQuixote
And by the way Walter, 593 is pointed specifically at you and your buddy Bagua who were the two biggest trumpeters of the Sidall paper.
You two have been and continue to be consistently wrong on the science and nothing ever seems to sway you from sanctimoniously assumig that you know something about it. Just perusing literature for the random thing that fits your world view, and then drawing the conclusion you wanted to reach, is not researching a topic.
Yawn.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:26:58pm |
Instapundit admits what we've suspected here for quite some time....
WHEN I WAS IN D.C. LAST WEEK, I spoke to folks at the Koch Associate Program. It’s not too late to apply, and if you’re a libertarian-minded type interested in working on behalf of free-market principles they’d be interested in hearing from you.
For those who don't Know: Koch Family Foundations
The Koch brothers control the three family foundations that have "lavished tens of millions of dollars in the past decade on 'free market' advocacy institutions in and around Washington."[2] --'The Nation', "What Wouldn't Bob Dole Do for Koch Oil?"
The foundations are financed via the oil and gas fortunes of Fred G. Koch, a founding member of the John Birch Society. David is a libertarian who "provides a significant amount of funding for the Cato Institute's $4 million annual budget."
...
In fact, Charles Koch is a co-founder of Cato in 1977 and David helped to launch CSE in 1986. This, says Moore, is the brothers simply following in "dad's footsteps: Fred Koch was a charter member of the ultraconservative John Birch Society in 1958."
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:27:16pm |
re: #619 solomonpanting
If only that were the case. A program of this scale will be extremely difficult to step back from, once put into motion. Remember, the income tax and social security both began at 1%.
That's a good example. The income tax went to 90% during WWII, and is back down to a third of that.
| 629 |
wrenchwench Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:28:09pm |
re: #615 Cato the Elder
If Dick Nixon hadn't screwed the pooch, we'd have had national health care starting in the mid seventies.
A friend of mine read to me last week a part of a history book that was quoting Harry Truman supporting National Health Care as something he wanted to achieve during his presidency.
| 630 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:28:27pm |
re: #578 windsagio
of course, there wasn't a concerted effort to poison the waters by one side or anything...
Bringing the FACTS into the open is certainly not poisoning the water. Nice try.
| 631 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:28:28pm |
re: #624 LudwigVanQuixote
That would be a case study in projection there troll.
I'm pleasant and jolly...are you?...doesn't sound like it, stalking already
| 632 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:29:11pm |
re: #599 KingKenrod
Has a house member ever brought legal action for being disenfranchised of their vote? i.e. each state has representatives, each rep has one vote. That vote can't be taken away while a member is lawfully seated.
"The President just signed legislation I did not have the opportunity to offer my yea/nea on".
Not to my rather limited knowledge of the subject. I do however think that Eleanor Holmes Norton should have a vote.
| 633 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:29:15pm |
re: #604 albusteve
oh man...now you've done it...it's the Irish Rose Thread!...
Don't blame me for bringing up her name, and I didn't know she had a blog...
| 634 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:29:17pm |
re: #616 iceweasel
The OpEds have increasingly gone to shit there, accelerated after the Murdoch purchase.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily say that I consider the vast majority of the OpEds in the NYT and WaPo to also be shit.
Just a caveat lecteur.(cato, don't beat me if I'm misremembering that phrase)
Caveat lector, my dear. Unless you're deliberately mixing Latin and French, which can lead to projectile vomiting and hangovers.
| 635 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:29:53pm |
| 636 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:30:23pm |
| 637 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:30:48pm |
re: #601 Cato the Elder
And it seems like that's going to happen, and there will be reconciliation, and I can't find anything in the Constitution to prevent that.
So what's all the Constitutional posturing about?
Deemed passed is not a vote, Cato.
| 638 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:31:00pm |
re: #626 Walter L. Newton
Yawn.
NO you do not get to yawn. You have been proven wrong again and again on this topic because you continuously fall for smears of science. You are gullible enough to fall for the smear and then arrogant enough to assume that you have "researched" the topic, when all you have ever done is refuse to look at evidence contrary to the hook line and sinker you swallowed.
You do not get to yawn.
You have even more egg on your face about this then you do about your CRU follies - whih I will again note, you could have avoided for yourself had you ever actually read the CRU methodology in the papers which I provided for you on many occasions.
You do not get to ignore your foolishness and arrogance.
| 639 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:31:49pm |
re: #631 albusteve
I'm pleasant and jolly...are you?...doesn't sound like it, stalking already
Stevo, no, you are baiting people because you find it sport. You really are an asshole and everyone knows it.
| 640 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:32:00pm |
re: #625 CapeCoddah
Elected officials are REPRESENTATIVES, not KEEPERS of the majority of Americans who elect them. They need to listen to their constituents, not go rogue once elected, as they all do.
That is the crux of all of the problems we face.
I don't have a representative or senator I think is worth a damn. They're not rogue--they just don't agree with me. The system works if we work it. Voter education and turnout is the crux.
| 641 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:32:13pm |
Ray Montford group
| 642 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:32:14pm |
| 643 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:32:28pm |
re: #635 albusteve
G-d you are an asshole.
| 645 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:32:56pm |
re: #628 Decatur Deb
That's a good example. The income tax went to 90% during WWII, and is back down to a third of that.
Such a deal. What does that imply for an imagined cut in a future health care program? Fewer procedures? Longer wait times? Diminished care?
| 646 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:32:56pm |
re: #627 Killgore Trout
Instapundit admits what we've suspected here for quite some time...
Dave Koch of course joined Soros in a suit against the Patriot Act. He's also a big contributor to other things like American Museum of Natural History, Lincoln Center, and PBS. He's quite a contradiction in that he also contributes to what many would call political astroturfing groups such as Citizens for a Sound Economy. Right now most of that money is going in opposition of HCR.
| 648 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:33:32pm |
re: #518 CapeCoddah
Cato, I love you... but, it is NOT affordable. Rates will skyrocket like nothing you have ever seen. I am a live witness.
This will make the poor poorer, by fining those who cannot afford it. A hell of a lot more than 30 mil will be priced out of insurance and into fines with zero coverage. FACT. It will really hurt those you want to help even more.
No it won't.
God!
This, this, this right here.
This will NOT make the poor "poorer". They will get a subsidy to pay for the insurance.
Please, stop making things up.
| 649 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:33:33pm |
re: #612 reine.de.tout
I've used both.
Linksys was better by A LOT.
I had a Netgear router which inexplicably blocked LGF. When I removed the Netgear device and installed Linksys, voilá LGF!
| 650 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:33:54pm |
re: #639 LudwigVanQuixote
Stevo, no, you are baiting people because you find it sport. You really are an asshole and everyone knows it.
my mother still loves me
| 651 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:14pm |
re: #606 CapeCoddah
No, Brookley, we cannot "Let it be". We are in this mess because the American people have not kept a close enough eye on what our elected officials do. It is time to wake up and stand up. If not, we will lose what and who we are.
EVERYONE RUN AROUND WITH THEIR HAIR ON FIRE THE SKY IS FALLING
| 652 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:27pm |
re: #646 Gus 802
Dave Koch of course joined Soros in a suit against the Patriot Act. He's also a big contributor to other things like American Museum of Natural History, Lincoln Center, and PBS. He's quite a contradiction in that he also contributes to what many would call political astroturfing groups such as Citizens for a Sound Economy. Right now most of that money is going in opposition of HCR.
The suit was for certain portions of the Patriot Act. Not the whole act itself.
| 653 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:27pm |
re: #638 LudwigVanQuixote
Dial it back, Ludwig. It's too early for a flame war.
| 654 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:28pm |
re: #638 LudwigVanQuixote
NO you do not get to yawn. You have been proven wrong again and again on this topic because you continuously fall for smears of science. You are gullible enough to fall for the smear and then arrogant enough to assume that you have "researched" the topic, when all you have ever done is refuse to look at evidence contrary to the hook line and sinker you swallowed.
You do not get to yawn.
You have even more egg on your face about this then you do about your CRU follies - whih I will again note, you could have avoided for yourself had you ever actually read the CRU methodology in the papers which I provided for you on many occasions.
You do not get to ignore your foolishness and arrogance.
I don't get to yawn... ok... fart?
| 655 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:47pm |
re: #648 webevintage
No it won't.
God!
This, this, this right here.
This will NOT make the poor "poorer". They will get a subsidy to pay for the insurance.
Please, stop making things up.
Subsidy...Oh I see I get poorer.
| 656 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:53pm |
re: #615 Cato the Elder
Pardon me, but there is nothing in the Constitution to say that we couldn't, for example, go socialist. As in Sweden.
Plenty of people's heads would explode, but there would be nothing unconstitutional about it.
If Dick Nixon hadn't screwed the pooch, we'd have had national health care starting in the mid seventies.
That is just sad. Cato. Sad. Our Constitution outlines a Representative Republic. I do hope I am long dead before the American people ever let that go.
| 657 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:34:54pm |
re: #521 Guanxi88
best wishes for the mother of my boss. She's an 89 year old widow who just suffered a massive coronary; cardiac function is at 30%, and she's not expected to live much longer.
Her children are all over the place, and it'll take some time to line up visas and such to get them all here. (She's in Texas - they're EVERYWHERE but Africa, Antarctica, and Australia). They're a large and traditional Chinese family, and it would crush them to lose their mother without being able to say farewell.
{{{Guanxi}}}
| 658 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:03pm |
re: #612 reine.de.tout
I've used both.
Linksys was better by A LOT.
I have had the same WRT54GL Linksys router for like 6 years. Still running like a champ!
| 659 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:09pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Dial it back, Ludwig. It's too early for a flame war.
It's our fault... we started it.
| 660 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:10pm |
re: #649 Alouette
I had a Netgear router which inexplicably blocked LGF. When I removed the Netgear device and installed Linksys, voilá LGF!
These aren't routers gang -- they are boxes you hook to flatscreens so you can stream media (music, movies, youtube, hulu, netflix, photos, etc.) over your wireless router from your computer.
| 661 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:21pm |
re: #604 albusteve
oh man...now you've done it...it's the Irish Rose Thread!...
This needs to be said...
The lashing out of hate by Irish Rose is inexcusable...And quite frankly disgusting..I hope she is never mentioned here again..
And Irish..All those people you have whipped up hate for this last summer at LGF2 aren't your friends now..They are waiting for you behind the wall..Walk through the gate..
Your hate has put you in the internet Desert all along..No matter what you think.. Nobody likes you.. You demand apologies.. It is you that needs to apologies for your words..
I'm done with you..I'm over it....
I'm sorry for you
| 662 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:21pm |
re: #645 solomonpanting
Such a deal. What does that imply for an imagined cut in a future health care program? Fewer procedures? Longer wait times? Diminished care?
Those things can happen, they happen now to a lot of people. The future is whatever our economy, priorities, and voter demands will create.
| 663 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:28pm |
re: #648 webevintage
No it won't.
God!
This, this, this right here.
This will NOT make the poor "poorer". They will get a subsidy to pay for the insurance.
Please, stop making things up.
a subsidy will make the taxpayers poorer...
| 664 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:35:44pm |
re: #654 Walter L. Newton
Just like a liberal, telling you what you can and can't do. Farts are okay though---things already smell like shit anyway.
| 665 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:36:44pm |
re: #639 LudwigVanQuixote
Stevo, no, you are baiting people because you find it sport. You really are an asshole and everyone knows it.
That didn't take long. Six posts before the personal attacks & name calling.
/Classy.
| 666 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:36:49pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Dial it back, Ludwig. It's too early for a flame war.
Dude, I am not having a flame war. I am really tired of the way you handle these things.
Right, I spend a year of abuse from these trogs and Stevo comes out swinging as always, and I am the one who needs to dial back.
If you support the issue, stand up for the truth rather than inappropriately whining about me.
| 667 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:36:55pm |
President Obama - 3000 % decrease in what employers will be paying for health care premiums. Still trying to figure that one out.
| 668 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:37:03pm |
re: #646 Gus 802
Dave Koch of course joined Soros in a suit against the Patriot Act. He's also a big contributor to other things like American Museum of Natural History, Lincoln Center, and PBS. He's quite a contradiction in that he also contributes to what many would call political astroturfing groups such as Citizens for a Sound Economy. Right now most of that money is going in opposition of HCR.
I just stumbled across this too....
Mark Levin: If the House uses the Slaughter Rule to advance the Senate bill, Landmark Legal Foundation and I will, in fact, bring a federal lawsuit in the District of Columbia challenging its constitutionality.
The Landmark Legal Foundation is non-profit 501(c)3 conservative legal advocacy group, with a $1 million annual budget. The President is Mark Levin.
....
Among its contributors are the Allegheny Foundation; Lynde and Harry Bradley, Foundation, Inc.; Carthage Foundation, Castle Rock Foundation; JM Foundation; Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation; Philip M. McKenna Foundation, Inc.; John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.; Sarah Scaife Foundation; and the Scaife Family Foundation.[4]
It's becoming increasingly evident that the Birch Society now has its own private political party. Republicans are infested.
| 669 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:37:16pm |
re: #656 CapeCoddah
That is just sad. Cato. Sad. Our Constitution outlines a Representative Republic. I do hope I am long dead before the American people ever let that go.
Socialism (or elements thereof) is impossible in a representative republic? The Federal Republic of Germany is a lie? Sweden has no representative government?
Man, are some Swedes going to be pissed when I point that out.
| 670 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:37:19pm |
re: #664 TheMatrix31
Just like a liberal, telling you what you can and can't do. Farts are okay though---things already smell like shit anyway.
that vicious attack cannot go unopposed!....unleash the dogs!
| 671 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:37:38pm |
re: #654 Walter L. Newton
I don't get to yawn... ok... fart?
Funny there Walter.
You get to acknowledge your actions.
| 672 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:37:57pm |
re: #667 Lateralis
President Obama - 3000 % decrease in what employers will be paying for health care premiums. Still trying to figure that one out.
Link?
| 673 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:38:07pm |
re: #661 HoosierHoops
This needs to be said...
The lashing out of hate by Irish Rose is inexcusable...And quite frankly disgusting..I hope she is never mentioned here again..
And Irish..All those people you have whipped up hate for this last summer at LGF2 aren't your friends now..They are waiting for you behind the wall..Walk through the gate..
Your hate has put you in the internet Desert all along..No matter what you think.. Nobody likes you.. You demand apologies.. It is you that needs to apologies for your words..
I'm done with you..I'm over it...
I'm sorry for you
that would be cool with me
| 674 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:38:24pm |
re: #668 Killgore Trout
It's becoming increasingly evident that the Birch Society now has its own private political party. Republicans are infested.
Koch Charities are not the same thing as the Koch political foundations.
| 675 |
wrenchwench Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:38:32pm |
re: #661 HoosierHoops
{Hoops}
I hope she is never mentioned here again
That is the preferred end to the situation.
| 676 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:38:42pm |
re: #640 Decatur Deb
I don't have a representative or senator I think is worth a damn. They're not rogue--they just don't agree with me. The system works if we work it. Voter education and turnout is the crux.
"We won, we will do what we wish, sit down and shut up".
THAT is the crux of the problem.
| 677 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:39:09pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Dial it back, Ludwig. It's too early for a flame war.
Seriously, at leaslt wait for me to get a good buzz going if that's going to be on the itinerary for the evening.
| 678 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:39:20pm |
re: #661 HoosierHoops
This needs to be said...
The lashing out of hate by Irish Rose is inexcusable...And quite frankly disgusting..I hope she is never mentioned here again..
And Irish..All those people you have whipped up hate for this last summer at LGF2 aren't your friends now..They are waiting for you behind the wall..Walk through the gate..
Your hate has put you in the internet Desert all along..No matter what you think.. Nobody likes you.. You demand apologies.. It is you that needs to apologies for your words..
I'm done with you..I'm over it...
I'm sorry for you
I'm going to mention her one last time, to boil it all down.
Just think of her this way: a small, shrill, yapping bitch (in the four-legged sense) who won't stop humping your host's leg at a party. At first everyone is amused, then embarrassed, then she gets locked in the shed.
That's the Saga of Rose in a single sentence.
| 679 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:39:23pm |
re: #665 NJDhockeyfan
That didn't take long. Six posts before the personal attacks & name calling.
/Classy.
Classy would be you not yipping like a small dog at the end of a discussion.
| 680 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:39:50pm |
re: #656 CapeCoddah
That is just sad. Cato. Sad. Our Constitution outlines a Representative Republic. I do hope I am long dead before the American people ever let that go.
Sweden is one of the most democratic countries on earth.
And you've never met a fact you liked, or a blind tribalist right-wing talking point you didn't hug to your chest like a well-worn teddy bear.
| 681 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:39:54pm |
re: #676 CapeCoddah
"We won, we will do what we wish, sit down and shut up".
THAT is the crux of the problem.
Hey, there you are! How has your daughter been, since her trauma that you shared with us?
| 682 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:40:28pm |
re: #655 Lateralis
Subsidy...Oh I see I get poorer.
sheesh.
I know it sucks to pay taxes for the common good.
| 683 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:40:35pm |
re: #661 HoosierHoops
You're a good man, Hoops. Agree on all counts.
| 684 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:40:55pm |
re: #677 goddamnedfrank
Oh for crying out loud, these guys are wrong and proven wrong. IF you are going to whine about me pointing it out, then you are playing into their hands by shifting the conversation from the facts.
| 685 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:41:01pm |
re: #621 Thanos
Thanks, now you've opened a can of worms :) ... where you able to see your media on the TV and use some kind of remote or something to move around on your hard drive or in Windows Media ctr?
OOPS. Maybe I should have read your post more closely.
I've used these as wireless routers for our home computers, but I don't have the device you linked to (which I just now looked at). Our TV is so old and outdated . . .
All I know is the linksys equipment works FAR better and more reliably than the netgear.
| 686 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:41:03pm |
re: #676 CapeCoddah
"We won, we will do what we wish, sit down and shut up".
THAT is the crux of the problem.
That's not a problem, that's the process. I've lived two thirds of my life under presidents I voted against. The nation survived.
| 688 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:41:30pm |
I like to yip,
As in Yipee cayeah m*f'er.
;)
| 689 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:41:31pm |
| 690 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:42:01pm |
re: #648 webevintage
No it won't.
God!
This, this, this right here.
This will NOT make the poor "poorer". They will get a subsidy to pay for the insurance.
Please, stop making things up.
Cato, It will not work, no matter how much you wish it to. I am living it. Have been for a few years. Sounds great, abject failure.
FACT. YOU are not living it. I had health insurance. My rates went so high, we just had to drop it and pay a fine to the state. We make too much to qualify for a subsidy, which, as I pointed out, we would not take anyway, as we don't do welfare. Care to tell me how this helped me? It cost me my insurance, and $2500.00. You are 100% wrong.
| 691 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:42:25pm |
It's much easier and quicker to read threads when you have your AUTO-GAZE on.
| 692 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:42:32pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
In other words DF, you can't be popular to everyone. If you care to stand for the truth then don't be a sissy about standing up for it.
| 693 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:43:08pm |
re: #645 solomonpanting
Such a deal. What does that imply for an imagined cut in a future health care program? Fewer procedures? Longer wait times? Diminished care?
Doesn't seem to be the way it works in the rest of the Western World. Odd, isn't it?
| 694 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:43:11pm |
re: #674 Guanxi88
Koch Charities are not the same thing as the Koch political foundations.
It's still the Birch Society buying influence. These are not people you want to be associated with. Their economics are insane even if they are endorsed by some dude who attended Harvard. Their brand of libertarian thought is full of paranoid conspiracies like those from Glenn Beck. Their attitude towards Israel and Jews is exemplified by the Paulians who think Jewish bankers secretly rule the world. These are not nice people.
| 695 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:43:31pm |
re: #651 WindUpBird
EVERYONE RUN AROUND WITH THEIR HAIR ON FIRE THE SKY IS FALLING
Ignore the house, and it falls down.
I am not an alarmist by any stretch of the imagination.
Nice try.
| 696 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:43:35pm |
re: #668 Killgore Trout
It's becoming increasingly evident that the Birch Society now has its own private political party. Republicans are infested.
Just wait until they start taking advantage of Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Of course any group will be able to take advantage of that ruling but the advantage will be to those with large sums of cash.
| 697 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:43:37pm |
re: #666 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude, I am not having a flame war. I am really tired of the way you handle these things.
Right, I spend a year of abuse from these trogs and Stevo comes out swinging as always, and I am the one who needs to dial back.
If you support the issue, stand up for the truth rather than inappropriately whining about me.
Sorry. It's just that the flame wars always involve you. Thus, I was trying a 'smother' tactic, dousing things before they got going.
| 698 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:43:43pm |
| 699 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:21pm |
re: #696 Gus 802
Just wait until they start taking advantage of Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Of course any group will be able to take advantage of that ruling but the advantage will be to those with large sums of cash.
That's very troubling.
| 700 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:21pm |
re: #693 austin_blue
I have cousins in Canada and Sweden. Their health care is shit, I hear first hand all the fucking time.
| 701 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:29pm |
re: #697 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. It's just that the flame wars always involve you. Thus, I was trying a 'smother' tactic, dousing things before they got going.
Or you could put your money where your mouth is and let these people know that you see what is going on as well.
| 702 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:36pm |
re: #694 Killgore Trout
It's still the Birch Society buying influence. These are not people you want to be associated with. Their economics are insane even if they are endorsed by some dude who attended Harvard. Their brand of libertarian thought is full of paranoid conspiracies like those from Glenn Beck. Their attitude towards Israel and Jews is exemplified by the Paulians who think Jewish bankers secretly rule the world. These are not nice people.
Koch ain't the JBS.
You're right about the Paulians and the weird crap, but Koch ain't the JBS, and the JBS doesn't run the GOP.
| 703 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:39pm |
re: #378 CapeCoddah
It helps to step back and remember: we've got government lawyers in charge of trying to make doctors cheaper.
| 704 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:41pm |
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I want this thread and everythread to be about ME ... ME AND MY Topic!! NOW~ WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Pay attention or I will kick you and hold my breath!
MMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOOPPPPPIICCC NOOWWWW!
/quick -- who am I imitating?
| 705 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:48pm |
re: #655 Lateralis
Subsidy...Oh I see I get poorer.
How much do you make a year? Less than$150,000 a year? Probably not, then.
| 706 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:44:58pm |
re: #518 CapeCoddah
Cato, I love you... but, it is NOT affordable. Rates will skyrocket like nothing you have ever seen. I am a live witness.
This will make the poor poorer, by fining those who cannot afford it. A hell of a lot more than 30 mil will be priced out of insurance and into fines with zero coverage. FACT. It will really hurt those you want to help even more.
You're either a liar, or you're buying right-wing tea-party sign-waving wacko talking points wholesale.
| 707 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:06pm |
re: #697 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. It's just that the [AGW] flame wars
alwaysoften involve you.
Edited for accuracy.
| 708 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:17pm |
re: #704 Thanos
Sorry. I'll dial it back a bit.
| 709 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:21pm |
re: #682 webevintage
sheesh.
I know it sucks to pay taxes for the common good.
Don't judge a government program by its trifold glossy brochure.
| 710 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:28pm |
re: #682 webevintage
sheesh.
I know it sucks to pay taxes for the common good.
I have no problem paying taxes. Common good, that is pretty loose. The amount of taxes we are paying is getting out of control and if the HC Bill goes through, taxes will only continue to rise.
| 711 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:31pm |
| 712 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:46pm |
re: #669 Cato the Elder
Socialism (or elements thereof) is impossible in a representative republic? The Federal Republic of Germany is a lie? Sweden has no representative government?
Man, are some Swedes going to be pissed when I point that out.
Neither are free countries. I value my freedom. All of it.
I live here, not in Germany of Sweden.
| 713 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:45:53pm |
re: #689 Lateralis
[Link: townhall.com...]
wow.
Obama is a DEMIGOD now.
Seriously?
Do you guys really think that is what he meant to say?
| 714 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:46:23pm |
BBL - supper and then LOST...
Please Ludwig... don't hurt me while I'm gone.
| 715 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:46:27pm |
re: #667 Lateralis
President Obama - 3000 % decrease in what employers will be paying for health care premiums. Still trying to figure that one out.
It should have been dollars, instead of %. He was likely refering to this:
[Link: www.healthreform.gov...]
Health Insurance Reform Solution: Strengthening Employer Sponsored Insurance.
High health care costs burden businesses that provide coverage for employees, sometimes leading them to drop coverage. Reforms to improve efficiency and quality in our health care system, such as reducing preventable hospital readmissions, encouraging care coordination, and streamlining health plans, could save up to $3,000 per employee by 2019.
| 716 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:46:38pm |
re: #706 WindUpBird
I love how every time someone says that you don't agree with, you dial back with a six word barrage of typical nonsense.
right-wing tea-party sign-waving
LOL. So transparent.
| 717 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:46:46pm |
re: #713 webevintage
"When someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"
-Winston Zeddemore.
| 718 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:46:47pm |
re: #706 WindUpBird
You're either a liar, or you're buying right-wing tea-party sign-waving wacko talking points wholesale.
oh geez...
| 719 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:02pm |
Just continues to amaze me how we're supposedly the greatest country on earth, but reasonable access to health care is beyond us. It's not beyond the rest of the world, but it is to us. We pay the most, and get shit for it.
| 720 |
wrenchwench Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:12pm |
re: #708 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sorry. I'll dial it back a bit.
LOL
When you're done dialing it back, could you dial it forward a bit? Thanks.
| 721 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:21pm |
re: #709 The Sanity Inspector
Don't judge a government program by its trifold glossy brochure.
You got a brochure?
| 722 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:30pm |
re: #713 webevintage
You're right. He meant to say 300%.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either.
He probably meant 30%.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either.
He probably meant 3%.
Wait, where the fuck did those three extra zeros come form?
| 723 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:30pm |
Don Exodus with some tips on refuting the "Evolution is Faith too!" argument...
| 724 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:33pm |
re: #699 Killgore Trout
That's very troubling.
The amount of money these libertarian, kook-world view folks could drum up pales in comparison to what world-wide committed leftists could do. Soros could come up with more money just by himself.
| 725 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:40pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
BBL - supper and then LOST...
Please Ludwig... don't hurt me while I'm gone.
IN other words, he will find any way possible to ignore the egg on his face yet again.
| 727 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:47:56pm |
re: #719 WindUpBird
Just continues to amaze me how we're supposedly the greatest country on earth, but reasonable access to health care is beyond us. It's not beyond the rest of the world, but it is to us. We pay the most, and get shit for it.
Taxes!!!
Freedom!!!
Deathpanels!!
Commies!!
/
| 728 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:00pm |
re: #699 Killgore Trout
That's very troubling.
It will probably be most noticeable in national elections. So we may see its effect in 2012 as opposed to this year.
| 729 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:02pm |
re: #680 WindUpBird
Sweden is one of the most democratic countries on earth.
And you've never met a fact you liked, or a blind tribalist right-wing talking point you didn't hug to your chest like a well-worn teddy bear.
Are you aware of the difference between a Democracy and a Republic? Apparently not.
| 730 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:11pm |
re: #712 CapeCoddah
Neither are free countries. I value my freedom. All of it.
I live here, not in Germany of Sweden.
The Swedes and Germans are sure to rise up in rebellion when I let them know how unfree they are.
Gawd, could you be any more condescending in your American Exceptionalism?
You're like the mother of multiple morons who thinks her kidz are all being held back by eeevul teachers and slanted IQ tests.
| 731 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:22pm |
re: #722 TheMatrix31
You're right. He meant to say 300%.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either.
He probably meant 30%.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either.
He probably meant 3%.
Wait, where the fuck did those three extra zeros come form?
Factoring in probable future inflation, the figure might make sense.
| 732 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:27pm |
re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote
He might mean he's hungry and wants to watch TV.
| 733 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:33pm |
re: #710 Lateralis
I have no problem paying taxes. Common good, that is pretty loose. The amount of taxes we are paying is getting out of control and if the HC Bill goes through, taxes will only continue to rise.
Everyone repeats this forever. complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain. Repeat until dead.
| 734 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:39pm |
re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote
Or you could put your money where your mouth is and let these people know that you see what is going on as well.
I admit to deliberately averting my glaces at times. And I'll try to single you out less. That's all I can do. I don't call 3/4 of the fouls I see, simply because I don't want to make enemies. Still, you're right that my peacekeeping needs to be less Carter-esque.
| 735 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:44pm |
re: #722 TheMatrix31
You're right. He meant to say 300%.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either.
He probably meant 30%.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either.
He probably meant 3%.
Wait, where the fuck did those three extra zeros come form?
See #715
| 736 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:48:56pm |
| 737 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:02pm |
re: #719 WindUpBird
If that's your sticking point, Canada is not too far away.
| 738 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:27pm |
re: #722 TheMatrix31
Wait, where the fuck did those three extra zeros come form?
Nowhere. It's 3000 dollars. It's the percent that was the flub, not the number.
See: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 739 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:28pm |
| 740 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:32pm |
| 741 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:34pm |
re: #661 HoosierHoops
This needs to be said...
The lashing out of hate by Irish Rose is inexcusable...And quite frankly disgusting..I hope she is never mentioned here again..
And Irish..All those people you have whipped up hate for this last summer at LGF2 aren't your friends now..They are waiting for you behind the wall..Walk through the gate..
Your hate has put you in the internet Desert all along..No matter what you think.. Nobody likes you.. You demand apologies.. It is you that needs to apologies for your words..
I'm done with you..I'm over it...
I'm sorry for you
Well said , Hoops. All she has done is destroy any last vestige of doubt anyone might have had about her nastiness, desperation and dishonesty. Good riddance and may she be forgotten about as quickly as she deserves.
| 742 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:48pm |
re: #736 wozzablog
Ever made $250,000.00 a year?
| 743 |
wrenchwench Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:49pm |
re: #732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He might mean he's hungry and wants to watch TV.
I figure he's off to put more egg on his face.
| 744 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:49pm |
re: #681 The Sanity Inspector
Hey, there you are! How has your daughter been, since her trauma that you shared with us?
Hey SI, She is fine, thanks. It was a tough week. Her friend was a good kid. A little lost, but a good kid. I have a difficult time burying children. Thanks for asking. How are you?
| 745 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:49:58pm |
re: #724 KingKenrod
The amount of money these libertarian, kook-world view folks could drum up pales in comparison to what world-wide committed leftists could do. Soros could come up with more money just by himself.
The Koch brothers are each, individually, ranked above Soros on the recent Fortune 500 list of wealthiest individuals in the world.
| 746 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:03pm |
re: #719 WindUpBird
Just continues to amaze me how we're supposedly the greatest country on earth, but reasonable access to health care is beyond us. It's not beyond the rest of the world, but it is to us. We pay the most, and get shit for it.
you're either a liar, or have been hypnotized into drooling submission by left wing socialists who favor equal outcome over personal freedom...
| 747 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:05pm |
re: #734 Dark_Falcon
I admit to deliberately averting my glaces at times. And I'll try to single you out less. That's all I can do. I don't call 3/4 of the fouls I see, simply because I don't want to make enemies. Still, you're right that my peacekeeping needs to be less Carter-esque.
Fair enough :)
| 748 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:19pm |
Stop everyone.
Ben is being awesome and sad on TV right now.
"but the thing that really mattered was already gone."
| 749 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:29pm |
re: #719 WindUpBird
Just continues to amaze me how we're supposedly the greatest country on earth, but reasonable access to health care is beyond us. It's not beyond the rest of the world, but it is to us. We pay the most, and get shit for it.
How so? I never had trouble getting health care. Nobody I know has had trouble accessing health care.
| 750 |
Jadespring Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:41pm |
Hey Ludwig don't want to complete but into your convo but I have to tell you. Just picked the DAO expansion. It's installing as I write this.
| 751 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:46pm |
re: #686 Decatur Deb
That's not a problem, that's the process. I've lived two thirds of my life under presidents I voted against. The nation survived.
Beg to differ.
| 752 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:50:55pm |
re: #729 CapeCoddah
Are you aware of the difference between a Democracy and a Republic? Apparently not.
Hahaha not taking the bait, sucka. You know what cato meant, and you know what I meant.
You can have your OH GOD IT"S JUST SAD JUST SAD OH MY STARS THE REPUBLIC concern trolley weepiness. Have yourself a great big tissue party, crying in the corner for our forlorn lost America.
| 753 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:01pm |
re: #736 wozzablog
Oh, so now I see. It's a class struggle thing riddled with jealousy.
| 754 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:04pm |
re: #743 wrenchwench
I figure he's off to put more egg
onin his face.
| 755 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:04pm |
re: #715 simoom
Thank God it wasn't GWB who said that.
| 756 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:22pm |
re: #733 WindUpBird
Everyone repeats this forever. complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain. Repeat until dead.
And your point is?
| 757 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:32pm |
re: #736 wozzablog
yes - all the poor people earning over $250,000.
those poor people.
Won't someone cry for the McMansions?
| 758 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:44pm |
re: #736 wozzablog
yes - all the poor people earning over $250,000.
those poor people.
By the time the election rolled around, both BHO and Biden had knocked the figure down to around $70,000.00.
| 759 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:51:59pm |
re: #716 TheMatrix31
I love how every time someone says that you don't agree with, you dial back with a six word barrage of typical nonsense.
LOL. So transparent.
Agreed. Matrix is sometimes partisan, but so am I. WUB, you need to understand that conservative partisanship is not synonymous with "tribalism".
| 760 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:52:00pm |
re: #704 Thanos
Waaa! I want this thread and everythread to be about ME ... ME AND MY Topic!! NOW~ WAAA! Pay attention or I will kick you and hold my breath!
MMMEEE!
MYYY TOOPPPIICCC NOOWWW!
/quick -- who am I imitating?
Jeeze, that's a LONG LIST you're requesting!
;)
| 762 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:52:36pm |
re: #745 iceweasel
The Koch brothers are each, individually, ranked above Soros on the recent Fortune 500 list of wealthiest individuals in the world.
Well, I stand corrected.
| 763 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:52:41pm |
re: #693 austin_blue
Doesn't seem to be the way it works in the rest of the Western World. Odd, isn't it?
And perhaps we could have that level of care if we just paid the price.
| 764 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:52:42pm |
re: #753 TheMatrix31
Oh, so now I see. It's a class struggle thing riddled with jealousy.
Pea-green.
| 765 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:52:45pm |
| 766 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:52:52pm |
re: #738 simoom
Nowhere. It's 3000 dollars. It's the percent that was the flub, not the number.
See: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Is this coming from the WH or just guessing on both of your parts? I can't find anything where Obama corrected himself yet. I'm sure it's coming.
| 767 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:02pm |
re: #746 albusteve
The personal freedom to....... what exactly are being curtailed?
Eat trans fats?
drink mercury rather than water?
Sell products that explode?
go bankrupt after a minor accident without unaffordable health insurance?
for shame america - for shame, that you would relinquish such cherished freedoms.
| 768 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:13pm |
re: #719 WindUpBird
Just continues to amaze me how we're supposedly the greatest country on earth, but reasonable access to health care is beyond us. It's not beyond the rest of the world, but it is to us. We pay the most, and get shit for it.
Well that is because, the need to subsidize large corporations is just as important as your, or your Grnamother's need for surgery.
How can you be so selfish?
The insurance companies are people too! Don't they have rights as well?
| 769 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:20pm |
re: #726 Spare O'Lake
Good Evening LGF
Shall we quarrel?
*whack*
Did that hurt, just the right amount?
Or would you like more?
/
| 770 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:22pm |
Very, very few people out there who make 250,000.00 per year who don't work their asses off to earn it.
So, let's punish them.
| 771 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:25pm |
re: #737 TheMatrix31
If that's your sticking point, Canada is not too far away.
I know, I go there all the time. Good tunes in Vancouver BC, good nightclubs. Some of the best beer on earth from Quebec.
But I'm still an American, and a proud liberal, and I'm afraid I'm not going anywhere. Too bad, so sad. :)
| 772 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:32pm |
| 773 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:53:58pm |
re: #740 MandyManners
Shall we play a game?
Let's play "Global Themonuclear Flame War".
-Guess the reference.
| 774 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:02pm |
re: #766 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, I remember when he corrected himself about the US liberating Auschwitz. It was a refreshing sight to see someone of his immaculate, articulate nature to correct himself after a mistake.
| 775 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:14pm |
re: #704 Thanos
Waaa! I want this thread and everythread to be about ME ... ME AND MY Topic!! NOW~ WAAA! Pay attention or I will kick you and hold my breath!
MMMEEE!
MYYY TOOPPPIICCC NOOWWW!
/quick -- who am I imitating?
Every single person who ever posts anything they think is important - including you.
| 776 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:24pm |
re: #669 Cato the Elder
Socialism (or elements thereof) is impossible in a representative republic? The Federal Republic of Germany is a lie? Sweden has no representative government?
Man, are some Swedes going to be pissed when I point that out.
Or Italy that's been through every other political party and ideology imaginable. Including socialism.
Excepting the dark days of Benito Mussolini.
| 777 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:41pm |
re: #773 Dark_Falcon
Let's play "Global Themonuclear Flame War".
-Guess the reference.
The only way to win is not to play.
| 778 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:44pm |
re: #767 wozzablog
The personal freedom to... what exactly are being curtailed?
Eat trans fats?
drink mercury rather than water?
Sell products that explode?
go bankrupt after a minor accident without unaffordable health insurance?for shame america - for shame, that you would relinquish such cherished freedoms.
The point is the government shouldn't be telling you want you can eat, smoke, drink, etc.
| 779 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:47pm |
Godalmighty, we've got like three different nasty fights going on in here.
Sheesh. People.
| 780 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:49pm |
re: #724 KingKenrod
The amount of money these libertarian, kook-world view folks could drum up pales in comparison to what world-wide committed leftists could do. Soros could come up with more money just by himself.
You should read the links about them. They are among the richest people in the world. I'm not sure Soros even makes the top 100.
| 781 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:54:55pm |
re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote
Every single person who ever posts anything they think is important - including you.
I just post to chew up bandwidth.
Can't you tell?
| 783 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:55:22pm |
re: #773 Dark_Falcon
Let's play "Global Themonuclear Flame War".
-Guess the reference.
War Games
the only way to win is not to play
| 784 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:55:35pm |
re: #759 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Matrix is sometimes partisan, but so am I. WUB, you need to understand that conservative partisanship is not synonymous with "tribalism".
Partisanship becomes tribalism when the ideology achieves its own momentum to the point where it becomes irrelevant. I think you're partisan, and some others here like Cape, are tribalist. You can be a non-kneejerk partisan. But tribalism is nothing but kneejerk. "The real america", talking about reverse racism, so-cons in congress, that's tribalism.
| 785 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:55:43pm |
re: #700 TheMatrix31
I have cousins in Canada and Sweden. Their health care is shit, I hear first hand all the fucking time.
Everyone complains about the healthcare in their own country. Go ahead, ask them if they'd trade theirs for ours.
Anyone in Canada on the Board tonight? If so, would you prefer our system to yours?
| 786 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:55:50pm |
re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Very, very few people out there who make 250,000.00 per year who don't work their asses off to earn it.
So, let's punish them.
Damn greedy working folks. The government should take half their money and give it to someone else.
//
| 787 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:55:53pm |
re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote
Every single person who ever posts anything they think is important - including you.
You too!
Now, isn't that funny?
We're all attention whores.
Yes, me too!
| 788 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:55:57pm |
| 789 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:56:21pm |
re: #779 SanFranciscoZionist
Godalmighty, we've got like three different nasty fights going on in here.
Sheesh. People.
I've donned my blog armor...stuff just bounces off me
| 790 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:56:30pm |
| 791 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:56:40pm |
| 792 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:56:43pm |
Mqatrix (reply button not working here)
Warren Bufffet, worlds most successful businessman is a self hater then.
People with more money than poor people should pay more tax........ is that a class warfare agrgument?
Or, should the tax burden fall among the largest number of tax payers rather than those who can most afford it?
| 793 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:56:51pm |
re: #779 SanFranciscoZionist
Godalmighty, we've got like three different nasty fights going on in here.
Sheesh. People.
Only three?
*waves*
Tell me a student funny story, please?
I like them a LOT!
| 794 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:57:20pm |
re: #706 WindUpBird
You're either a liar, or you're buying right-wing tea-party sign-waving wacko talking points wholesale.
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
| 796 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:57:43pm |
can't get any buttons to work. am gonna restart browser.
| 797 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:57:46pm |
re: #712 CapeCoddah
Neither are free countries. I value my freedom. All of it.
I live here, not in Germany of Sweden.
And when Germans and Swedes get tired of being human cattle, having their nanny states micro-manage their lives, they can always emigrate. To America!
| 798 |
Lateralis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:57:47pm |
re: #785 austin_blue
Everyone complains about the healthcare in their own country. Go ahead, ask them if they'd trade theirs for ours.
Anyone in Canada on the Board tonight? If so, would you prefer our system to yours?
Fair number of people do come to this country for surgeries. The ones that can afford it anyway. The poor in those countries are stuck there.
| 800 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:02pm |
re: #690 CapeCoddah
[...] We make too much to qualify for a subsidy, which, as I pointed out, we would not take anyway, as we don't do welfare. [...]
Well, there we have it. Moral superiority, much?
I suppose you'll decline Medicare when you qualify for it? That's a form of socialist welfare, you know.
Ditto Social Security? Welfare.
You'll pay your own way, or starve in a gutter, right? Because that's what Reel Merkins do?!
Me, I'm Irish - in part - so in honor of St. Paddy's Day, allow me to bruit the proudest Irish boast:
I paid my own way back!
| 801 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:06pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
Good heavens.
| 802 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:10pm |
re: #785 austin_blue
They would, actually. They've said as much.
| 803 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:17pm |
re: #712 CapeCoddah
Neither are free countries. I value my freedom. All of it.
I live here, not in Germany of Sweden.
Sweden is not a free country? By what standard?
| 804 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:28pm |
| 805 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:29pm |
I think the HC bill's going to pass. I think it will have some flaws that will eventually get ironed out in either the courts, congress, or in policy from the agencies admining it. I think it will also have a lot of good in it, and I don't think it will cause us to fall over the cliff into the deepest abyss of communism or bankruptcy.
I want to see it pass so I can see Glen Beck cry again.
| 806 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:30pm |
re: #792 wozzablog
Right up until they have to fire employees to make up for the income.
Then they can be demonized anew.
| 807 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:36pm |
Crazy Pam exposes another Seeekrit Obama Army....
Nationalized Health Corps Workforce Army
Another Obama army. Americorps is not enough. The army of eight-year-old goosesteppers is not enough. Prisoner army, not enough. It is jawdropping and scary.
Lurking within the recently-released Reconciliation bill is a brand new corps of government workers.
....
It speaks of regular and reserve Officers, scholarships, loans, obligated service, individual contracts, training centers, the traditional income redistribution scheme of grants and grant proposals, etc. The debt repayment provisions are especially attractive to certain sectors of our population. It appears to be an indentured servitude gig. You sign up, do your part for nationalizing health care and the Corps will get the American taxpayer to foot the bill for your training and educational costs and retire your debts. Of course, if pinned down, I'm sure this will be characterized as a draft, a proposal, need to modify, hasn't been reconciled yet or any of a number of ways to weasel the simple truth that until Nancy Pelosi votes on it she won't have any idea what's in this 'Bill'.
The wingnuts are really in a froth these days with bogus talking points and conspiracy theories. More than usual.
| 808 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:41pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
Windupbird works two jobs, so you're way off base there.
It's a pretty classless line of attack, as well.
| 809 |
Jadespring Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:42pm |
re: #785 austin_blue
Everyone complains about the healthcare in their own country. Go ahead, ask them if they'd trade theirs for ours.
Anyone in Canada on the Board tonight? If so, would you prefer our system to yours?
Nope.
| 810 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:43pm |
re: #774 TheMatrix31
It was a refreshing sight to see someone of his immaculate, articulate nature
tocorrect himself after a mistake.
Corrected.
| 811 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:58:54pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
I am ready for my cat overlords.
Are you?
| 812 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:59:07pm |
| 813 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:59:27pm |
re: #787 Floral Giraffe
You too!
Now, isn't that funny?
We're all attention whores.
Yes, me too!
I admit that what is important to me is... well... important to me.
| 814 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:59:28pm |
re: #807 Killgore Trout
The dude has got like eight armies now. He can finally take down Jack White.
| 815 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:59:39pm |
re: #798 Lateralis
Fair number of people do come to this country for surgeries. The ones that can afford it anyway. The poor in those countries are stuck there.
Canadians like their healthcare system. There are polls. It's actually quite popular.
| 816 |
Jadespring Tue, Mar 16, 2010 5:59:51pm |
re: #802 TheMatrix31
They would, actually. They've said as much.
No offense but you're completely full of it. Unless your professing to know and speak for all of us.
| 817 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:05pm |
re: #810 Jimmah
Of course. I am not a great orator like he is.
| 818 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:06pm |
| 819 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:25pm |
re: #807 Killgore Trout
The the HC Scare spam I posted above, I wouldn't be surprised to see the shrieker carry it before too long.
| 820 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:45pm |
re: #816 Jadespring
Uh, who said I'm speaking for anyone. I'm talking about my family overseas willing to have our system over theirs. Stop pulling stuff out of your ass.
| 821 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:50pm |
re: #808 Obdicut
Windupbird works two jobs, so you're way off base there.
It's a pretty classless line of attack, as well.
calling people a liar is classless...spread it out dude
| 822 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:53pm |
re: #805 Thanos
I think the HC bill's going to pass. I think it will have some flaws that will eventually get ironed out in either the courts, congress, or in policy from the agencies admining it. I think it will also have a lot of good in it, and I don't think it will cause us to fall over the cliff into the deepest abyss of communism or bankruptcy.
I want to see it pass so I can see Glen Beck cry again.
That's my feeling too. It will take some tweaks but it will eventually work.
| 823 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:00:56pm |
re: #716 TheMatrix31
I love how every time someone says that you don't agree with, you dial back with a six word barrage of typical nonsense.
LOL. So transparent.
Thats all they got. They have no legitimate factual argument to back up their temper tantrums and demands with, so, they always go that route.
| 824 |
Jadespring Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:00pm |
re: #815 Killgore Trout
Canadians like their healthcare system. There are polls. It's actually quite popular.
Yep true. What many fail to understand that complaining about problems does not equal trashing it and going American.
| 825 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:06pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
Yes the right wing " I have no social responsibility to anyone else!" cry.
It is always a pleasure to see such Christian values in action.
The point being that most who cry this the loudest are bible bangers, and Jesus seemed to be very clear on helping other people out and thinking of others.
| 826 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:06pm |
re: #669 Cato the Elder
Socialism (or elements thereof) is impossible in a representative republic? The Federal Republic of Germany is a lie? Sweden has no representative government?
Man, are some Swedes going to be pissed when I point that out.
Bolded for truth!
I learned this stuff in high school. I don't get why it's so hard to understand.
| 827 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:09pm |
re: #807 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam exposes another Seeekrit Obama Army...
Nationalized Health Corps Workforce ArmyThe wingnuts are really in a froth these days with bogus talking points and conspiracy theories. More than usual.
We're all going to have to learn the lyrics to The Song of the Volga Boatmen!!1111!111
| 828 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:14pm |
| 829 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:24pm |
re: #815 Killgore Trout
Canadians like their healthcare system. There are polls. It's actually quite popular.
Oh hell, even in MA there is a high approval rating for their state program no matter what CapCod says.
People in VT and HI and CT are happy too.
| 830 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:28pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
Please tell me you weren't actually crying when you typed that.
| 831 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:33pm |
re: #818 webevintage
Yay! Let's pass disastrous legislation that re-shapes 15% of our entire economy just to watch some douchebag cry on TV!
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
| 832 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:33pm |
re: #803 SanFranciscoZionist
Sweden is not a free country? By what standard?
From the point of view of a herring.
An herring?
| 833 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:36pm |
re: #793 Floral Giraffe
Only three?
*waves*
Tell me a student funny story, please?
I like them a LOT!
Oh, Lord, lemme think. Something will occur to me.
| 834 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:55pm |
re: #813 LudwigVanQuixote
I admit that what is important to me is... well... important to me.
yet not to the rest of us...this you've yet to learn...forge ahead tho
| 835 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:01:58pm |
| 837 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:12pm |
re: #813 LudwigVanQuixote
I admit that what is important to me is... well... important to me.
Yet most of your postings express concern for mankind..
/Wonder why that is? *wink*
| 838 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:13pm |
re: #814 Obdicut
The dude has got like eight armies now. He can finally take down Jack White.
| 839 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:23pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
Ah, yes. Anyone who disagrees with you must, perforce, want you to pay for them to live on welfare.
| 840 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:26pm |
Health care foes 11 votes shy of defeating bill
Five more House Democrats said Tuesday that they will vote against Senate health care legislation, which puts opponents of reform just 11 votes shy of the 216 needed to prevent President Obama from scoring a major victory on his top domestic priority.An ongoing CNN analysis shows that opposition in the House to the Senate health care plan has reached 205 members.
A total of 27 House Democrats, including nine who supported the House plan in November, have indicated that they would join a unified Republican caucus in opposing the Senate plan, which passed in that chamber December 24 with the minimum required 60 votes.
Nonetheless, House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson of Connecticut said Monday after a meeting with rank-and-file Democrats that "the votes are there" to pass the health care bill.
If they had the votes they would have voted already.
| 841 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:30pm |
| 842 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:42pm |
re: #837 HoosierHoops
Yet most of your postings express concern for mankind..
/Wonder why that is? *wink*
Thanks buddy :)
| 843 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:02:57pm |
re: #829 webevintage
Oh hell, even in MA there is a high approval rating for their state program no matter what CapCod says.
People in VT and HI and CT are happy too.
We have a state sytem here in Oregon but nobody really likes it because it doesn't work. I don't think they even accept people into the state system anymore.
| 844 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:03:02pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
You know jack-all about WUP and his life.
And your "we don't do welfare" pomposity impresses me not a whit. Let's see what happens if your business burns to the ground, you get in a car wreck and both you and your spouse are crippled, and your catastrophic insurance runs out in a year.
You'll both lie down in the gutter and die before you take a penny from WindUpBird, who pays social welfare taxes on two jobs, right?
Epic feh.
| 845 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:03:51pm |
re: #381 brookly red
funny, I know several doc's from our local teaching hospital that are currently considering setting up shop in Costa Rica...
They can treat Rush Limbaugh!
| 846 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:04:27pm |
re: #806 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Individuals who earn $250,000 as a take home pay - after clearing expsenses - are not generally direct employers unless you count nanny's and au-paires.
Most people earning over that figure are in some kind of corporate network.
The take home of a small business owner with a couple of employees is generally substantially lower.
| 847 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:04:30pm |
re: #700 TheMatrix31
I have cousins in Canada and Sweden. Their health care is shit, I hear first hand all the fucking time.
Especially those Swedes. Overweight, pathologically obese, dropping like flies from cardiovascular disorders and unable to receive adequate health care for even minor problems. It's the Night of the Living Dead over there.
| 848 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:04:55pm |
If the health insurance reform plan is going to be a success, why would anyone who voted for it fear defeat in an upcoming election?
| 849 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:04:57pm |
re: #786 NJDhockeyfan
Damn greedy working folks. The government should take half their money and give it to someone else.
//
You know how marginal tax rates work, right? You know that the rates only apply to the bracket, right?
Damn greedy fire departments.
Damn greedy FDA.
Damn greedy police.
Damn greedy roads.
Damn greedy bridges.
Damn greedy Army
Damn greedy Navy.
Damn greedy Airforce.
Damn greedy FBI.
Damn greedy Marines.
Damn greedy FDIC.
Damn greedy Coast Guard.
Damn greedy sewers.
Who do these guys think they are, demanding my money?!? MY HARD EARNED MONEY IT'S TOTALLY ALL MINE MODERN SOCIETY HAD NO ROLE IN ME EARNING IT
| 850 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:04:59pm |
| 852 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:05:33pm |
re: #840 NJDhockeyfan
Health care foes 11 votes shy of defeating bill
If they had the votes they would have voted already.
Fucking CNN. Why are those who oppose socialized medicine labeled "opposed to health care"?
| 853 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:05:43pm |
re: #825 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes the right wing " I have no social responsibility to anyone else!" cry.
It is always a pleasure to see such Christian values in action.
The point being that most who cry this the loudest are bible bangers, and Jesus seemed to be very clear on helping other people out and thinking of others.
Highlighted for correctness.
| 854 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:05:51pm |
re: #831 TheMatrix31
Yay! Let's pass disastrous legislation that re-shapes 15% of our entire economy just to watch some douchebag cry on TV!
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Well, I wish I could hang around and discuss how I want to see the ruination of America for my own entertainment, but LOST is on people and it is a Sawyercentric episode.
Way more important.
WOLVERINES!!!111!!!!
| 855 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:05:59pm |
re: #849 WindUpBird
It certainly hasn't gone to pay forr eeither of the hot wars the US is in - they are on credit cards.
| 856 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:06:10pm |
re: #730 Cato the Elder
The Swedes and Germans are sure to rise up in rebellion when I let them know how unfree they are.
Gawd, could you be any more condescending in your American Exceptionalism?
You're like the mother of multiple morons who thinks her kidz are all being held back by eeevul teachers and slanted IQ tests.
I am a proud elitist and very proud of my American Exceptionalism.
I run a limo company. A very high end one. I screen my clients very carefully. I don't put trailer trash in my Rolls Royces and Bentleys, or in my Fords.
And, When my kids screwed up, I was the one dragging them to meet their consequences. They never hid behind me when they did wrong, they knew better.
| 857 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:06:25pm |
re: #847 ryannon
Especially those Swedes. Overweight, pathologically obese, dropping like flies from cardiovascular disorders and unable to receive adequate health care for even minor problems. It's the Night of the Living Dead over there.
I hear Scandinavia has terrible problems with alcoholism and suicide. But I think that's the climate and being so damn far North.
| 858 |
MandyManners Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:06:41pm |
| 859 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:06:45pm |
re: #847 ryannon
No, those Swedes....where doctors fucked up a routine angioplasty on my uncle, damaging another artery instead.
| 860 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:07:05pm |
re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"When someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"
-Winston Zeddemore.
ZARDOZ!
| 861 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:07:14pm |
re: #857 SanFranciscoZionist
I hear Scandinavia has terrible problems with alcoholism and suicide. But I think that's the climate and being so damn far North.
And the Bergman movies.
| 862 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:07:16pm |
| 863 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:07:32pm |
| 864 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:07:48pm |
re: #813 LudwigVanQuixote
I admit that what is important to me is... well... important to me.
That's cool.
*smooch*
| 865 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:07:56pm |
re: #856 CapeCoddah
Silly you for running a successful limo company.
| 866 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:08:21pm |
re: #856 CapeCoddah
I am a proud elitist and very proud of my American Exceptionalism.
I run a limo company. A very high end one. I screen my clients very carefully. I don't put trailer trash in my Rolls Royces and Bentleys, or in my Fords.
And, When my kids screwed up, I was the one dragging them to meet their consequences. They never hid behind me when they did wrong, they knew better.
I seriously doubt whether I would meet your high clientele standards.
That's OK, taxis are cheaper, and trailer trash types are extremely glad not to have to know people like you.
| 867 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:08:23pm |
re: #859 TheMatrix31
jeebus dude - that happens in every freaking country in the world......
no system has doctors that are 100% pefect. none.
please point me to any country in the world that has never had a case of a fucked up surgery????????
| 868 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:08:24pm |
House Phone Lines Frozen After Barrage of Calls Over Health Care Reform
House phone lines were frozen Tuesday afternoon following a barrage of calls on the health care reform debate, with congressional opponents of the legislation crediting talk radio host Rush Limbaugh for the flood of opposition while the bill's supporters said they were getting calls of support.
"Phones and e-mails are going nuts on health care," Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., wrote on his Twitter page Tuesday afternoon, advising people to "keep trying."
Jeff Ventura, spokesman for the House's chief administrative officer, said Tuesday that the "the volume is clearly attributable to the significant interest in the health care bill."
Ventura did not say whether Limbaugh had anything to do with the spike in phone calls to various congressional offices. Limbaugh gave out the number for the Capitol switchboard on his radio show Tuesday, urging listeners to contact members of Congress in a last-ditch effort to oppose the $875 billion health care bill that is up for a vote in the House this week.
"Their phone numbers are published on their Web sites and in various directories anyway," Ventura said.
| 869 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:08:48pm |
re: #861 Decatur Deb
And the Bergman movies.
The whole region has SAD. What can you do? (Except keep them under sunlamps as much as possible.)
| 870 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:09:04pm |
re: #752 WindUpBird
Hahaha not taking the bait, sucka. You know what cato meant, and you know what I meant.
You can have your OH GOD IT"S JUST SAD JUST SAD OH MY STARS THE REPUBLIC concern trolley weepiness. Have yourself a great big tissue party, crying in the corner for our forlorn lost America.
Jesus, you are not too bright, are you?
| 871 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:09:10pm |
re: #840 NJDhockeyfan
Health care foes 11 votes shy of defeating bill
If they had the votes they would have voted already.
Agreed. Pelosi won't hold a vote unless she feels she's certain to win. This bill die, that's my prediction. And I want it to die.
| 872 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:09:45pm |
re: #834 albusteve
Good troll... good troll.
| 873 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:09:46pm |
re: #867 wozzablog
and i'm sorry for what your uncle went though.
| 874 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:09:56pm |
re: #847 ryannon
Especially those Swedes. Overweight, pathologically obese, dropping like flies from cardiovascular disorders and unable to receive adequate health care for even minor problems. It's the Night of the Living Dead over there.
Might there be a difference between health care and personal behavoir?
| 875 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:10:05pm |
re: #868 NJDhockeyfan
House Phone Lines Frozen After Barrage of Calls Over Health Care Reform
Paulians have perfected the art of spamming. Only 2-300 people showed up for the rally.
| 876 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:10:46pm |
re: #846 wozzablog
I work for a huge corporation.
I make a good living (not 250, but a good living)...
I work a commission only, sometimes 80 hour work week. (not including being gone from home a minimum of three nights per week)....
If I get to 250,000.00 per year, I do not feel it appropriate that I am vilified. I will be earning every fucking penny.
I know several people in the over 250 crowd. You know what? They work their asses off.
Why do feel it is appropriate for them to be taxed to pay for someone who doesn't sacrifice the way that they do?
| 877 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:10:47pm |
re: #856 CapeCoddah
I don't put trailer trash in my Rolls Royces and Bentleys, or in my Fords.
Who else rents a friggin' Limo these days? It's all about bling and vomiting on the patent leather.
| 878 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:10:47pm |
re: #872 LudwigVanQuixote
Good troll... good troll.
You can call Albusteve a lot of things but he is not a troll.
| 879 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:10:55pm |
re: #871 Dark_Falcon
So what's your plan to fix health insurance? Who do you think we can count on to deliver that?
What are the costs of not putting a plan into place?
| 880 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:11:07pm |
re: #868 NJDhockeyfan
House Phone Lines Frozen After Barrage of Calls Over Health Care Reform
The public is away on this issue. Polling in the next few days will be critical. Keep your eyes on Rasmussen. In an off-year election, his likely voter model is the best predictor.
| 881 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:11:22pm |
re: #869 SanFranciscoZionist
The whole region has SAD. What can you do? (Except keep them under sunlamps as much as possible.)
I've got a couple Ott lamps, and I live near the Gulf coast. (Do love "Wild Strawberries" and Smiles of a Summer Night", though.)
| 882 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:11:28pm |
re: #880 Dark_Falcon
The public is awake on this issue. Polling in the next few days will be critical. Keep your eyes on Rasmussen. In an off-year election, his likely voter model is the best predictor.
| 883 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:11:36pm |
re: #877 darthstar
Who else rents a friggin' Limo these days? It's all about bling and vomiting on the patent leather.
Ex-pecially in a Bentley.
| 884 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:11:52pm |
re: #867 wozzablog
Just an example. They flubbed up my aunt's breast cancer stuff too.
I'm not interested in arguing with you or others about the merits/drawbacks of such systems, because clearly you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe.
| 885 |
Jadespring Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:12:01pm |
Well expansion is loaded and while healthcare discussion are fun and all I'm off to lose my brain in DAO land.
| 886 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:12:35pm |
re: #742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nope.
Wanted to.
Can't quite imagine them with the same problems as someone scraping by on minimum wage thgough (which i have done).
| 887 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:12:37pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do feel it is appropriate for them to be taxed to pay for someone who doesn't sacrifice the way that they do?
Because its not fair!!!!
| 888 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:13:01pm |
re: #752 WindUpBird
Hahaha not taking the bait, sucka. You know what cato meant, and you know what I meant.
You can have your OH GOD IT"S JUST SAD JUST SAD OH MY STARS THE REPUBLIC concern trolley weepiness. Have yourself a great big tissue party, crying in the corner for our forlorn lost America.
I saw the best minds of my generation.....
| 889 |
Randall Gross Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:13:15pm |
re: #875 Killgore Trout
It was ditto heads and the RW blogosphere, I heard him today whipping on the furor and teh cray zed ones.
| 890 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:13:35pm |
| 891 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:13:48pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A mom working two minimum wage jobs who can't afford health care and it isn't offered through their work is not sacrificing?
| 893 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:03pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I work for a huge corporation.
I make a good living (not 250, but a good living)...
I work a commission only, sometimes 80 hour work week. (not including being gone from home a minimum of three nights per week)...
If I get to 250,000.00 per year, I do not feel it appropriate that I am vilified. I will be earning every fucking penny.
I know several people in the over 250 crowd. You know what? They work their asses off.
Why do feel it is appropriate for them to be taxed to pay for someone who doesn't sacrifice the way that they do?
I know a lot of people who work their asses off for a whole lot less. We can argue taxes from a lot of angles, but the idea that making more money is directly correlated to working harder seems very dubious to me.
| 895 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:14pm |
| 896 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:26pm |
how much is too much?....is there a limit to taxation that drooling liberals will admit to?...is worship of govt to lead the people a good thing?....does govt fraud and waste mean anything anymore?...will liberals continue to follow govt no matter where it goes or how much burden the cost is to taxpayers?...our collective health depends largely on what we consume...if the govt controls healthcare, should they also control what we ingest?....impossible?...are there limits to govt intrusion into regulating personal habits and lifestyle?...they won't let me smoke pot, but I can wreck my liver with alcohol....if I do will they replace it?...how far is too far?...or is there really no end, no line?
| 897 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:28pm |
re: #880 Dark_Falcon
The public is away on this issue. Polling in the next few days will be critical. Keep your eyes on Rasmussen.
Don't pay attention to Rasmussen: Rasmussen vs. Everybody Else
Nobody (aside from Wingnut blogs) takes them seriously anymore. They are one of the worst polling outfits out there.
| 898 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:30pm |
re: #796 wozzablog
can't get any buttons to work. am gonna restart browser.
You know if you stare at the screen too hard, it'll freeze. I don't think Joomla has that bug.
/
| 899 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:32pm |
re: #893 SanFranciscoZionist
That was to be my next point.
| 900 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:32pm |
re: #753 TheMatrix31
Oh, so now I see. It's a class struggle thing riddled with jealousy.
Check the level of the National Debt. You understand debt, yes? You think it will be paid by poor people?
The Social Security Administration (SSA) has a $2.5 trillion marker with the US Government because they raided the Trust Fund to use for general funds, like paying for the military. This year, for the first time evah! the SSA will pay out over $20 billion more than it will take in from payroll taxes. This could be fixed in a second if the +/- $100,000 cap on SS taxes was lifted. Would this hurt Small Business? Nope. How many "small businesses" pay their employees more than 100 large? And if they do, how many would be seriously hurt if they and their employees making over 100 large had to pay into the Trust Fund?
This isn't a "someday" problem. It's here right now.
| 901 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:35pm |
re: #868 NJDhockeyfan
House Phone Lines Frozen After Barrage of Calls Over Health Care Reform
I read something on that yesterday. Here it is:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
As the phone lines jam, the offices of some of those Democrats are expressing frustration that their constituents may be unable to reach out.New York Rep. Dan Maffei's press secretary Abby Gardner told CNN that her office was averaging about 500 phone calls per day last week, but that only 20 or so were from constituents in Maffei's district.
"The calls from the district are very mixed pro/for [and] against health care legislation," Gardner said. "The calls from outside of the district are exclusively against health care."
"Unfortunately the call volume makes it difficult for people to get through, and while I think the groups who really generate these calls consider jamming our phone lines a sign of strength and success, it really doesn't do anything to persuade the Rep.'s opinion on how to vote," Gardner said.
I've been calling my Rep. and Senators about once a week, but so far haven't had any trouble getting through. Maybe that's because none of them are considered swing votes.
| 902 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:41pm |
re: #891 wozzablog
They can go to one of the MANY county-run hospitals and get care for whatever ails them.
No one is being turned away.
| 903 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:14:44pm |
re: #877 darthstar
Who else rents a friggin' Limo these days? It's all about bling and vomiting on the patent leather.
I don't know, but some of them seem to wind up on Judge Judy a lot.
| 904 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:15:01pm |
re: #897 Killgore Trout
Don't pay attention to Rasmussen: Rasmussen vs. Everybody Else
Nobody (aside from Wingnut blogs) takes them seriously anymore. They are one of the worst polling outfits out there.
Do Not Concur.
| 905 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:15:42pm |
re: #893 SanFranciscoZionist
It's the argument that the other side is having---that making so much money reflects on you as being a spoiled fat-cat who does absolutely jack shit to earn what they're earning.
No one's saying people who make less don't work as hard.
| 906 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:15:43pm |
re: #798 Lateralis
Fair number of people do come to this country for surgeries. The ones that can afford it anyway. The poor in those countries are stuck there.
That wasn't my question. How many would trade their system for ours?
| 907 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:15:53pm |
Let's look at some numbers.
Average Life Expectancy
Sweden: 81.0
USA: 78.1
Infant Mortality
Sweden: 2.5
USA: 6.7
Health Care Cost of % of GDP
Sweden: 13.6
USA: 18.5
| 909 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:01pm |
re: #896 albusteve
That's a lot of questions.
...our collective health depends largely on what we consume...if the govt controls healthcare, should they also control what we ingest?
I was wondering about that one, too, in terms of tobacco and alcohol.
| 910 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:18pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I work for a huge corporation.
I make a good living (not 250, but a good living)...
I work a commission only, sometimes 80 hour work week. (not including being gone from home a minimum of three nights per week)...
If I get to 250,000.00 per year, I do not feel it appropriate that I am vilified. I will be earning every fucking penny.
I know several people in the over 250 crowd. You know what? They work their asses off.
Why do feel it is appropriate for them to be taxed to pay for someone who doesn't sacrifice the way that they do?
FBV - We're in the same position. Hell, my husband even isn't home 2 of every 4 weeks, and in fact, he's so far out in the Gulf of Mexico during those 2 weeks, if anything happens, I'm just on my own 'til he can get home, which may take a day or two. The life isn't easy - but it's the sacrifice we make in order to be able to afford our little house and send our kid to a good school and to college.
| 911 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:26pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I work hard-- even if I get plenty of time to post on LGF, I have to deal with a lot of crises every day. I get taxed higher on my earnings than someone who is earning unearned income on a rental property that they never see. They do zero work, have income, and are taxed lower than I am.
If we're talking about 'fairness', I think that's an appropriate comparison to look at.
But not taxes can ever really be fair. Fairness is not an option. We can try to avoid gross unfairness, but there is no system that is fair, and there is no system that can't be gained.
That does not mean it is not worthwhile to figure out what an effective tax policy is.
Denmark has a solid economy, an enormously happy populace, and higher social mobility than us. THey also have much higher taxes and a much higher top tax rate.
Belarus has a burgeoning, surging economy, and incredibly low taxes. They have an incredibly low happiness index, but that's the Slavic gloom thing, I think.
But anyway, in both cases we can see a very strong economy. Tax rates are not something that work in a vacuum-- they work in the context of our culture, our society, and the other laws and regulations that surround them.
It's never enough to just lay out the numbers.
| 912 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:33pm |
re: #902 TheMatrix31
They can go to one of the MANY county-run hospitals and get care for whatever ails them.
No one is being turned away.
Oh, dear God. So, let me get this straight. Health care in Sweden is crap, but you can get adequate health care for your children at Emergency General?
| 913 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:48pm |
re: #902 TheMatrix31
That will cover prescription costs......?
Really?.
Seriously?
For more meds than will be distributed at the next emergency room visit?
Really?
I'm glad the system works and that we can all go to bed happy/
| 914 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:50pm |
re: #907 Gus 802
Yeah, and Sweden has like, 10 million people.
| 915 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:51pm |
re: #903 iceweasel
I don't know, but some of them seem to wind up on Judge Judy a lot.
Kids rent limos for prom, don't they?
| 916 |
prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:52pm |
re: #808 Obdicut
Actually, I think it is a "class" attack. Dirty hippie, etc.
| 917 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:55pm |
re: #907 Gus 802
Of course that is 9 million vs. 330 million.
| 918 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:55pm |
re: #893 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, of course. There is also talent. Companies (as a rule) do not pay big bucks to people who do not also bring quite a bit of talent (learned or natural) to the table.
| 919 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:16:57pm |
re: #617 NJDhockeyfan
I use Linksys and it never failed me so far.
Have to say...Linksys has never NOT failed me.
| 920 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:17:02pm |
re: #905 TheMatrix31
It's the argument that the other side is having---that making so much money reflects on you as being a spoiled fat-cat who does absolutely jack shit to earn what they're earning.
No one's saying people who make less don't work as hard.
Exactly.
| 921 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:17:23pm |
| 922 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:17:38pm |
re: #905 TheMatrix31
It's the argument that the other side is having---that making so much money reflects on you as being a spoiled fat-cat who does absolutely jack shit to earn what they're earning.
No one's saying people who make less don't work as hard.
Actually, that's exactly what was said above, and I haven't seen anyone make the argument that someone who earns a great deal doesn't work for it.
| 923 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:17:40pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I know several people in the over 250 crowd. You know what? They work their asses off.
Why do feel it is appropriate for them to be taxed to pay for someone who doesn't sacrifice the way that they do?
I know lots of people who work their asses off for $40,000 a year (and less). I make more money than I ever could have when I was a teacher, but I worked a hell of a lot harder then than I do now. Now, I type. Sure, I have to figure out technical issues and write code, but it's not like it's "hard work." But I think people who drive a cab 12 hours a day sacrifice plenty, for example.
| 924 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:17:44pm |
re: #912 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, dear God. So, let me get this straight. Health care in Sweden is crap, but you can get adequate health care for your children at Emergency General?
Emergency general? Try Kings County Hospital in NYC. Whew.
| 925 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:18:08pm |
| 926 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:18:19pm |
| 927 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:18:39pm |
re: #914 TheMatrix31
Across the largest developed democracies with "socialised" systems oucomes are uniformly better, and across the many national beaurocricies costs are a third lower.
fact.
| 929 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:18:46pm |
re: #897 Killgore Trout
Don't pay attention to Rasmussen: Rasmussen vs. Everybody Else
Nobody (aside from Wingnut blogs) takes them seriously anymore. They are one of the worst polling outfits out there.
Besides polling only likely voters, what do they do that you feel biases their polls?
| 930 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:19:35pm |
re: #907 Gus 802
Let's look at some numbers.
Average Life Expectancy
Sweden: 81.0
USA: 78.1Infant Mortality
Sweden: 2.5
USA: 6.7Health Care Cost of % of GDP
Sweden: 13.6
USA: 18.5
There you go oppressing people with facts and logic again Gus.
The wingnuts hate it when you point out that their thesis is completely unsupported.
| 931 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:19:47pm |
re: #800 Cato the Elder
Well, there we have it. Moral superiority, much?
I suppose you'll decline Medicare when you qualify for it? That's a form of socialist welfare, you know.
Ditto Social Security? Welfare.
You'll pay your own way, or starve in a gutter, right? Because that's what Reel Merkins do?!
Me, I'm Irish - in part - so in honor of St. Paddy's Day, allow me to bruit the proudest Irish boast:
I paid my own way back!
Nope... Pure American pride!
SS and Medicare funds were taken from me, without my permission. I paid for it, and I will never see a penny of it back.
Starve in the gutter? No, but I will do whatever job I have to do to earn my own way. I will never take welfare in any form. SS and Medicare are not welfare, unless you have never worked, faked an injury etc. THEN it is welfare. Take without contributing, welfare. Government subsidies, welfare. Period.
I am happy to pay taxes to help some folks who cannot help themselves, but that number is far, far fewer than the number currently on the dole. I will never join that club. Thanks anyway.
| 932 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:19:51pm |
re: #918 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, of course. There is also talent. Companies (as a rule) do not pay big bucks to people who do not also bring quite a bit of talent (learned or natural) to the table.
And education, and chosen field, and I might even suggest a bit of luck here and there...
| 933 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:19:57pm |
re: #926 NJDhockeyfan
My world is being turned around tonight. First no more WSJ. Now no more Rasmussen.
/
| 934 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:20:25pm |
re: #798 Lateralis
Fair number of people do come to this country for surgeries. The ones that can afford it anyway. The poor in those countries are stuck there.
I oppose the HCR bill, but in the interest of fairness I will admit this: I've got connections with medical folks overseas, in a formerly developing country. When contemplating a major medical procedure or test, I calculate the cost of doing it here, or buying an airline ticket and doing it there.
| 935 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:20:31pm |
re: #883 Cato the Elder
Ex-pecially in a Bentley.
You'd look GOOD in a Bentley convertible.
Just saying....
| 936 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:20:33pm |
re: #917 jaunte
Of course that is 9 million vs. 330 million.
Still. The other factor we could also include is that in the USA many of the population are not "in the system." No I'm not talking about undocumented immigrants but that includes citizens outside of the system which there are many.
I keep hearing about how great it is over and over again. I doubt we have anyone here from Appalachia. Amongst many other impoverished regions in this country.
| 937 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:20:33pm |
re: #872 LudwigVanQuixote
Good troll... good troll.
Didn't anyone ever teach you that trolls are outsiders?
Please stop calling our fellow lizards trolls - it devalues the term.
Call them other stuff.
| 938 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:20:42pm |
re: #915 SanFranciscoZionist
Kids rent limos for prom, don't they?
Yep. It's all about the bling. Not to knock the man for running a limo company...somebody has to do it...but the suggestion that he 'screens his clients' is ridiculous. A fare is a fare.
| 939 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:20:46pm |
re: #911 Obdicut
just goes to show that 'working hard' is subjective...one could easily assume you're unemployed...watch out for blisters!
| 940 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:12pm |
re: #911 Obdicut
I work hard-- even if I get plenty of time to post on LGF, I have to deal with a lot of crises every day. I get taxed higher on my earnings than someone who is earning unearned income on a rental property that they never see. They do zero work, have income, and are taxed lower than I am.
If we're talking about 'fairness', I think that's an appropriate comparison to look at.
But not taxes can ever really be fair. Fairness is not an option. We can try to avoid gross unfairness, but there is no system that is fair, and there is no system that can't be gained.
That does not mean it is not worthwhile to figure out what an effective tax policy is.
Denmark has a solid economy, an enormously happy populace, and higher social mobility than us. THey also have much higher taxes and a much higher top tax rate.
Belarus has a burgeoning, surging economy, and incredibly low taxes. They have an incredibly low happiness index, but that's the Slavic gloom thing, I think.
But anyway, in both cases we can see a very strong economy. Tax rates are not something that work in a vacuum-- they work in the context of our culture, our society, and the other laws and regulations that surround them.
It's never enough to just lay out the numbers.
Now respectfully, I agree with you completely. I ask though that you carry that exact same line of reasoning down to the guy making minimum wage somewhere at a job that keeps him on his feet all day.
| 941 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:26pm |
re: #925 SanFranciscoZionist
BUTBUTBUT that's about lifestyle and genetics and stuff, dude.
//
Car accidents!!!1!!!!!
There's always an excuse for us but no excuse for them.
| 942 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:42pm |
Ooohhh hot hot hot! *blows on fingers* am I gonna get singed if I jump in on this thread?
| 943 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:44pm |
re: #932 SanFranciscoZionist
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
| 944 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:51pm |
But wait, is BBC a respected source? Fuck, let's ask someone.
Can I get a damn judgment?!
| 945 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:52pm |
re: #924 Gus 802
Emergency general? Try Kings County Hospital in NYC. Whew.
Every time we get my father through another crisis, my mother comes home and says, "At least we didn't do it at San Francisco General."
If her job dries up, though, they will be. So anyone who tells me how you can get all the lovely health care you need at the County hospital where they ain't turning no one away is going to get a bit of the stink eye from me. If, God forbid, we end up there, I'll let you all know how it goes.
| 946 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:21:53pm |
re: #935 Floral Giraffe
You'd look GOOD in a Bentley convertible.
Just saying...
Especially with a couple of nekkid red-heads next to him.
| 947 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:22:26pm |
re: #937 Spare O'Lake
Didn't anyone ever teach you that trolls are outsiders?
Please stop calling our fellow lizards trolls - it devalues the term.
Call them other stuff.
Yeah but when I call Stevo everything I want to call him - when he is actually trolling and trying to pick a fight - his friends whine about the damage to their virgin ears...
| 948 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:22:35pm |
re: #930 LudwigVanQuixote
There is also this one:
Shocking number of American women die from childbirth, pregnancy
The United States lifetime risk of maternal death is higher than 40 other nations, including most of the industrialized world.
A key concern is the lack of prenatal care. Women who do not receive proper prenatal care are three to four times more likely to die than women who do.
With nearly 13 million women of reproductive age without health insurance pregnant women in the United States face hurdles to get prenatal care. State run insurance is difficult for all but the extremely poor to obtain.
One meme I see a lot is discounting infant mortality because of some alleged difference in statistic gathering. However, sadly, we are doing terribly at mother mortality as well.
| 949 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:22:49pm |
re: #928 jaunte
And Volvos...
True. Those things are like mini tanks. Have you ever HIT something driving a Volvo? A friend of mine used hers (accidentally) to fold the door of a Beemer pretty much in half.
| 950 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:23:15pm |
re: #896 albusteve
how much is too much?...is there a limit to taxation that drooling liberals will admit to?...is worship of govt to lead the people a good thing?...does govt fraud and waste mean anything anymore?...will liberals continue to follow govt no matter where it goes or how much burden the cost is to taxpayers?...our collective health depends largely on what we consume...if the govt controls healthcare, should they also control what we ingest?...impossible?...are there limits to govt intrusion into regulating personal habits and lifestyle?...they won't let me smoke pot, but I can wreck my liver with alcohol...if I do will they replace it?...how far is too far?...or is there really no end, no line?
Gee, Steve when our deficit problems begin?
[Link: zfacts.com...]
When did they accelerate?
[Link: www.taxpolicycenter.org...]
I know, I know, those nasty old *facts* get in the way, don't they?
| 951 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:23:19pm |
re: #808 Obdicut
Windupbird works two jobs, so you're way off base there.
It's a pretty classless line of attack, as well.
So? WUB has no issue with being classless at all. Does it all the time. I have worked 2 and 3 jobs, so has my husband.
WUB wants someone else to pay their way. To me, that is as classless as it gets.
| 952 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:23:39pm |
re: #948 Obdicut
There is also this one:
Shocking number of American women die from childbirth, pregnancy
One meme I see a lot is discounting infant mortality because of some alleged difference in statistic gathering. However, sadly, we are doing terribly at mother mortality as well.
Well don't you realize that most of those women and infants are poor and well - not white. Why would the GOP care about them?
And yes that is a very valid criticism.
| 953 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:23:41pm |
re: #942 Dragon_Lady
Ooohhh hot hot hot! *blows on fingers* am I gonna get singed if I jump in on this thread?
Yes, but do it anyway!
It's kinda fun!
| 954 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:23:50pm |
re: #876 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I know several people in the over 250 crowd. You know what? They work their asses off.
Why do feel it is appropriate for them to be taxed to pay for someone who doesn't sacrifice the way that they do?
It's pretty simple really. As a consequence of their prosperity, they have a greater interest in the maintenance of the same orderly society that makes the continuation of their lifestyle possible. They pay insurance commensurate with the distance they would fall in any collapse.
| 955 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:23:55pm |
re: #932 SanFranciscoZionist
And education, and chosen field, and I might even suggest a bit of luck here and there...
The trick is to select good parents.
| 956 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:08pm |
re: #938 darthstar
Yep. It's all about the bling. Not to knock the man for running a limo company...somebody has to do it...but the suggestion that he 'screens his clients' is ridiculous. A fare is a fare.
I wouldn't know. I haven't been in a limo SINCE prom. That was damn near twenty years ago.
| 957 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:12pm |
re: #749 NJDhockeyfan
Nobody I know has had trouble accessing health care.
From the same school of reason as: "It's cold here today...global warming must be a scam!"
| 958 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:25pm |
re: #946 darthstar
Especially with a couple of nekkid red-heads next to him.
Not to mention the Sarah Palin blow up doll.
| 959 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:32pm |
re: #931 CapeCoddah
[...] I will never take welfare in any form. SS and Medicare are not welfare, unless you have never worked, faked an injury etc. THEN it is welfare. Take without contributing, welfare. Government subsidies, welfare. Period.
I am happy to pay taxes to help some folks who cannot help themselves, but that number is far, far fewer than the number currently on the dole. I will never join that club. Thanks anyway.
Get back to me when your luck - and 90% of anyone's success in life is luck - takes a U-turn for the crapper.
Though you would certainly not rent a Bentley to the likes of me, I'll help you to the extent I can, and wish you céad míle fáilte into the bargain.
| 960 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:32pm |
re: #953 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but do it anyway!
It's kinda fun!
Who's gonna replace my scales if I do?
| 961 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:39pm |
re: #948 Obdicut
All three of Ben Cartwright's wives died in childbirth.
And you wonder why he was single.
| 962 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:24:58pm |
| 963 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:25:04pm |
Now we're all racists that don't care about minorities with health issues!
/L-M-F-A-O
| 964 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:25:05pm |
re: #914 TheMatrix31
Yeah, and Sweden has like, 10 million people.
So? Are you saying Economies of Scale won't bring down costs?
Hmmmm.....
| 965 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:25:06pm |
re: #946 darthstar
Especially with a couple of nekkid red-heads next to him.
If it's red-heads, white upholstery, I think.
| 966 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:25:30pm |
re: #942 Dragon_Lady
Ooohhh hot hot hot! *blows on fingers* am I gonna get singed if I jump in on this thread?
Nah..Hot tub....
With bubbles..I love the bubbles...Just wait till the H bombs go off..
/Dive into the pool an hold your breath under water as long as possible...
/
| 967 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:25:49pm |
re: #960 Dragon_Lady
Who's gonna replace my scales if I do?
Meh, why bother about a few scales.
JUMP IN!
| 968 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:25:51pm |
re: #939 albusteve
I do type insanely fast, yes. And I can type while I'm having a conversation with someone else, which tends to unnerve anyone who knows I'm doing it.
But mainly it's just the beauty of design space work-- it lends itself well to incremental advance.
| 969 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:26:04pm |
re: #939 albusteve
just goes to show that 'working hard' is subjective...one could easily assume you're unemployed...watch out for blisters!
Who shouted "I got blisters on my fingers!" at the end of a song?
| 970 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:26:07pm |
re: #825 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes the right wing " I have no social responsibility to anyone else!" cry.
It is always a pleasure to see such Christian values in action.
The point being that most who cry this the loudest are bible bangers, and Jesus seemed to be very clear on helping other people out and thinking of others.
I have a responsibility to myself, my husband, my children and anyone I CHOOSE to have a responsibility to. I choose not to take responsibility for people who demand I do.
| 971 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:26:31pm |
re: #944 TheMatrix31
The US healthcare debate is not about importing the french system - it's about having a publically run plan that people will volunteer to join - with subsidy, if you can not get insurance ele where.
It's not about serving chicken chasseur on wards instead of refrieds.
| 972 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:26:32pm |
| 973 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:03pm |
| 974 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:05pm |
re: #959 Cato the Elder
Get back to me when your luck - and 90% of anyone's success in life is luck - takes a U-turn for the crapper.
Though you would certainly not rent a Bentley to the likes of me, I'll help you to the extent I can, and wish you céad míle fáilte into the bargain.
NO Cato, I am certain that he is so true to his principles that he would rather starve than take something he didn't earn - you know like the childhood of the sweatshop workers who manufactured all the shit he buys.
| 975 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:07pm |
re: #948 Obdicut
There is also this one:
Shocking number of American women die from childbirth, pregnancy
One meme I see a lot is discounting infant mortality because of some alleged difference in statistic gathering. However, sadly, we are doing terribly at mother mortality as well.
There's another one.
Canada's Expectant Moms Heading to U.S. to Deliver
Mothers in British Columbia are having a baby boom, but it's the United States that has to deliver, and that has some proud Canadians blasting their highly touted government healthcare system.
"I'm a born-bred Canadian, as well as my daughter and son, and I'm ashamed," Jill Irvine told FOX News. Irvine's daughter, Carri Ash, is one of at least 40 mothers or their babies who've been airlifted from British Columbia to the U.S. this year because Canadian hospitals didn't have room for the preemies in their neonatal units.
"It's a big number and bigger than the previous capacity of the system to deal with it," said Adrian Dix, a British Columbia legislator, told FOXNews.com. "So when that happens, you can't have a waiting list for a mother having the baby. She just has the baby."
The mothers have been flown to hospitals in Seattle, Everett, Wash., and Spokane, Wash., to receive treatment, as well as hospitals in the neighboring province of Alberta, Dix said. Three mothers were airlifted in the first weekend of October alone, including Carri Ash.
"I just want to go home and see my kids," she said from her Seattle hospital bed. "I think it's stupid I have to be here."
Canada's socialized health care system, hailed as a model by Michael Moore in his documentary, "Sicko," is hurting, government officials admit, citing not enough money for more equipment and staff to handle high risk births.
Sarah Plank, a spokeswoman for the British Columbia Ministry of Health, said a spike in high risk and premature births coupled with the lack of trained nurses prompted the surge in mothers heading across the border for better care.
| 976 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:10pm |
My brother has always thought that anyone who made 10,000.00 more a year than he did should be in a higher bracket.
He's just about a socialist.
I love him dearly.
| 977 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:28pm |
| 978 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:31pm |
re: #924 Gus 802
Emergency general? Try Kings County Hospital in NYC. Whew.
Seriously. In 2003 the army started training reservists there, to prepare them for the kinds of injuries they'd see in Iraq.
The program, called the Academy of Advanced Combat Medicine, started at Kings County two years ago when officers from the 5,300-person Eighth Medical Brigade, based at Fort Wadsworth on Staten Island, decided to train their reservists in a civilian emergency room. The academy was modeled after a program for active duty medics at the Ryder Trauma Center in Miami.
The Brooklyn hospital proved an ideal partner for the program, the first of its kind in the country for reservists. The hospital's highly regarded, extremely busy emergency room admits 1,200 major trauma patients each year, among the most in the city. About half of those have penetrating wounds, often stabbings or gunshots, just the kind of wounds a medic might encounter in war, according to Dr. Patricia O'Neill, co-director of the hospital's division of trauma and critical care.
"The purpose of this program is to get them more facile with real-world trauma," Dr. O'Neill said, "so when they're deployed, they're not scared to death."
But yeah, I'm sure you can waltz in their with your kid with an ear infection and fever and be seen right away. No problem.
/
| 979 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:39pm |
re: #929 KingKenrod
Besides polling only likely voters, what do they do that you feel biases their polls?
Not sure. There are a lot of ways to skew polls to get the desired results. Phrasing questions the right way, asking questions in a certain order, using certain words, etc. It's not difficult to do.
| 980 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:42pm |
re: #939 albusteve
just goes to show that 'working hard' is subjective...one could easily assume you're unemployed...watch out for blisters!
In basic training I BS'd with a buddy about our jobs. I had a couple warehousing and photo darkroom work. Golombieski said "Yeah, but did you ever work for a living?" Golombieski poured hot steel.
| 981 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:49pm |
re: #744 CapeCoddah
Hey SI, She is fine, thanks. It was a tough week. Her friend was a good kid. A little lost, but a good kid. I have a difficult time burying children. Thanks for asking. How are you?
Chugging along. My kids are getting bigger and bigger. They're starting to ask me questions I can actually answer, now.
| 982 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:50pm |
re: #951 CapeCoddah
So? WUB has no issue with being classless at all. Does it all the time. I have worked 2 and 3 jobs, so has my husband.
WUB wants someone else to pay their way. To me, that is as classless as it gets.
WUB pays his own way. You're the one who decided he wants someone else to pay his way, which is apparently based on nothing but your own dislike of him.
| 983 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:27:54pm |
re: #963 TheMatrix31
Now we're all racists that don't care about minorities with health issues!
/L-M-F-A-O
The first step in recovery is accepting your shortcomings.
| 984 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:28:26pm |
re: #964 austin_blue
The demand will go up like crazy. If costs go down, it'll go at the expense of quality.
No thanks.
| 985 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:28:45pm |
re: #939 albusteve
I do type insanely fast, yes. And I can type while I'm having a conversation with someone else, which tends to unnerve anyone who knows I'm doing it.
But mainly it's just the beauty of design space work-- it lends itself well to incremental advance. And that I've set up my tools effectively.
I do a lot of my work at night, too, from about nine o'clock until midnight. I get a nice burst of energy right around then.
| 986 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:28:57pm |
re: #944 TheMatrix31
But wait, is BBC a respected source? Fuck, let's ask someone.
Can I get a damn judgment?!
The report says citizens must pay more and doctors must alter their behaviour.
Failure to do so could add 66 billion euros a year to France's public budget deficit by 2020, it adds.
The warning comes after thousands of health workers protested on Thursday over staff shortages and the "creeping privatisation" of the health system.
Oh, the humanity!
| 987 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:29:04pm |
| 988 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:29:19pm |
| 989 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:29:38pm |
re: #971 wozzablog
The US healthcare debate is not about importing the french system - it's about having a publically run plan that people will volunteer to join - with subsidy, if you can not get insurance ele where.
It's not about serving chicken chasseur on wards instead of refrieds.
Actually, it's not even about that--public option is assuredly dead.
| 990 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:29:57pm |
re: #821 albusteve
calling people a liar is classless...spread it out dude
Um, I think you called WUB a liar a few posts back.
| 991 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:30:07pm |
re: #844 Cato the Elder
You know jack-all about WUP and his life.
And your "we don't do welfare" pomposity impresses me not a whit. Let's see what happens if your business burns to the ground, you get in a car wreck and both you and your spouse are crippled, and your catastrophic insurance runs out in a year.
You'll both lie down in the gutter and die before you take a penny from WindUpBird, who pays social welfare taxes on two jobs, right?
Epic feh.
Right.
| 992 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:30:08pm |
re: #970 CapeCoddah
I have a responsibility to myself, my husband, my children and anyone I CHOOSE to have a responsibility to. I choose not to take responsibility for people who demand I do.
1. Sorry, for thinking you were a he in the last post.
2. Most organized religions would call that view evil.
3. All functioning ethical systems would call that view un workable, since the entire point of society is to band together to care for all members.
4. All you have said is that you are selfish and unabashedly so. So if , G-d forbid you and your husband faced a bad turn of the wheel, would you "lump it" when others sad what you are saying now to you?
| 993 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:30:31pm |
re: #972 austin_blue
I was referring to my cousins and their families, not Canadian LGF members.
| 994 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:30:40pm |
re: #979 Killgore Trout
Not sure. There are a lot of ways to skew polls to get the desired results. Phrasing questions the right way, asking questions in a certain order, using certain words, etc. It's not difficult to do.
NBC is showing a higher spread against health care than Rasmussen. Is NBC also biased?
| 995 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:30:51pm |
re: #990 bratwurst
Um, I think you called WUB a liar a few posts back.
follow the thread...go back and start over
| 996 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:31:31pm |
re: #989 SanFranciscoZionist
ok, past tense.
which makes all this
"i got mine, fuck the rest of y'all" handwringing even more pointless.
*orders up more chicken chasseur"
| 997 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:31:33pm |
re: #989 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, it's not even about that--public option is assuredly dead.
For this term.
| 998 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:31:58pm |
re: #975 NJDhockeyfan
Well, as you can see from what I posted, one of the major problems for the US women is that they lack insurance. That's why they can't receive care, and that's we we have higher numbers of mothers dying in pregnancy than other nations.
That honestly makes me rather sad. I'm kind of wondering about who it doesn't.
| 999 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:32:00pm |
| 1000 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:32:16pm |
re: #996 wozzablog
ok, past tense.
which makes all this
"i got mine, fuck the rest of y'all" handwringing even more pointless.
*orders up more chicken chasseur"
Ah, hell, I may as well have some. They got a nice wine in this joint?
| 1001 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:32:17pm |
re: #857 SanFranciscoZionist
I hear Scandinavia has terrible problems with alcoholism and suicide. But I think that's the climate and being so damn far North.
When you live in such a beautiful environment with such calm, reasonable people, the only sensible thing to do is get sloshed and blow your brains out. And like you say, the lack of sun doesn't help.
| 1003 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:32:22pm |
re: #867 wozzablog
jeebus dude - that happens in every freaking country in the world...
no system has doctors that are 100% pefect. none.
please point me to any country in the world that has never had a case of a fucked up surgery???
I agree, my neighbor had a blood clot in his leg which required it to be removed. They marked the wrong leg for removal. Needless to say after they removed the wrong leg they went in and removed the other one. He was going to sue the hospital and doctor but was unsuccessful, because they said he didn't have a leg to stand on.
| 1004 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:32:47pm |
re: #963 TheMatrix31
Now we're all racists that don't care about minorities with health issues!
/L-M-F-A-O
Not all. No one thinks you are a racist. However, the GOP is allowing in a not-insignificant amount of racist sentiment, and that is a problem. That is all that is being said.
| 1005 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:00pm |
re: #1003 Mr Pancakes
You are a very bad person but I cannot resist giving you an upding.
| 1006 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:10pm |
re: #992 LudwigVanQuixote
3. All functioning ethical systems would call that view un workable, since the entire point of society is to band together to care for all members.
St Margret of Thatcer infomd us there was no such thing as society about 30 years ago.
| 1007 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:25pm |
there is more than enough waste and pork dissolved into the annual federal budget to pay for health insurance for those that go without...the whole reform issue should be about federal spending...as an outsider, I fart in that direction profusely....taxpayers are being raped
| 1008 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:30pm |
| 1009 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:34pm |
| 1010 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:41pm |
re: #859 TheMatrix31
No, those Swedes...where doctors fucked up a routine angioplasty on my uncle, damaging another artery instead.
I'm sorry to hear about your uncle, but hospitals all over the world make mistakes like that. At least he didn't end up with four breasts.
| 1011 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:42pm |
re: #998 Obdicut
Well, as you can see from what I posted, one of the major problems for the US women is that they lack insurance. That's why they can't receive care, and that's we we have higher numbers of mothers dying in pregnancy than other nations.
That honestly makes me rather sad. I'm kind of wondering about who it doesn't.
Nobody is turned away at the hospital regardless if they have insurance, can pay for it, or not.
| 1012 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:33:51pm |
re: #979 Killgore Trout
Not sure. There are a lot of ways to skew polls to get the desired results. Phrasing questions the right way, asking questions in a certain order, using certain words, etc. It's not difficult to do.
That's certainly true, I was just wondering if you had other information. I've heard you and others criticize Rasmussen, but I don't know what they could be doing to skew their polls except for the obvious - they poll likely voters. That means they will always skew towards the "who is more motivated" segment of the population. I've read their mid-2000's polls skewed Democratic, and of course, they were right.
| 1013 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:34:00pm |
re: #1004 Dark_Falcon
Not EXACTLY what he said, but whatever.
| 1014 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:34:14pm |
| 1015 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:34:35pm |
re: #992 LudwigVanQuixote
1. Sorry, for thinking you were a he in the last post.
2. Most organized religions would call that view evil.
3. All functioning ethical systems would call that view un workable, since the entire point of society is to band together to care for all members.
4. All you have said is that you are selfish and unabashedly so. So if , G-d forbid you and your husband faced a bad turn of the wheel, would you "lump it" when others sad what you are saying now to you?
Are you saying that most religions don't preach the law of the jungle? That the phrase "Live and let die" wasn't uttered by Jesus during his 'Sermon on the Mount"?
| 1016 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:34:53pm |
re: #964 austin_blue
So? Are you saying Economies of Scale won't bring down costs?
Hmmm...
I suspect it will go the other way, this being government. All the little safeguards they're putting in the bill to placate the opposition will be removed or ignored, little by little. No conspiracy, just the natural outward pressure of mission creep. And with the laxity that comes with spending other people's money for other people's alleged benefit, and with sharp operators finding a way to tap into this mother lode of funding...no, I don't see the costs coming down, in practice. If this consensus monster passes, I'll join you and the other proponents in hoping that I'm wrong.
| 1017 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:34:59pm |
re: #961 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
All three of Ben Cartwright's wives died in childbirth.
And you wonder why he was single.
and any girl who fell in love with any of the Cartwright boys died.
Falling in love with a Cartwright boy was Bonanza's version of the Star Trek red shirt.
| 1018 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:34:59pm |
re: #951 CapeCoddah
So? WUB has no issue with being classless at all. Does it all the time. I have worked 2 and 3 jobs, so has my husband.
WUB wants someone else to pay their way. To me, that is as classless as it gets.
You know this about WUB how, exactly?
Bring it, whatever it is, you smack-talkin', self-righteous, trailer-trash-hatin' gobshite.
| 1020 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:35:03pm |
re: #1002 Jimmah
Dinnae fash yersel noo, hen.
I love a thick Scottish accent! Makes me feel closer to home! And before you ask, no I wasn't born across the pond, but here. I'm 1/4 Irish and have never seen the emerald isle but I think of it as home and some day I'll get to see it for myself.
| 1021 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:35:16pm |
re: #1000 SanFranciscoZionist
I got the Le'fete de Tour '75 courtesy of all the money i saved by having a flat £7 co-pay courtesy of the NHS.
| 1022 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:35:28pm |
re: #1015 Jimmah
Are you saying that most religions don't preach the law of the jungle? That the phrase "Live and let die" wasn't uttered by Jesus during his 'Sermon on the Mount"?
I think that was Alice Cooper (who looks a bit like Jesus after a bender)
| 1023 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:35:45pm |
| 1024 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:35:46pm |
re: #1006 wozzablog
St Margret of Thatcer infomd us there was no such thing as society about 30 years ago.
The moment I got back I realised things had changed. The demolition crew had been in, the wreckers and refitters, the strippers and blasters. The attitudes and assumptions I'd grown up with had been razed to the ground, and a bold new society had risen in their place, a free-enterprise, demand-driven, flaunt-it-and-fuck-you society, dedicated to excellence and achievement. Something new, unheard-of! Created by this one woman! She had spurned the hypocritical cant beloved of politicians and addressed herself directly to the people, showing them how well she knew them, telling them what they whispered in their hearts but dared not speak! "You don't want a caring society," she had told them, in effect. "You say you do, but you don't, not really. You couldn't care less about education and health and all the rest of it. And don't for christsake talk to me about culture. You don't give a toss about culture. All you want to do is sit at home and watch TV. No, it's no use protesting! I know you. You're selfish, ignorant, greedy, and complacent. So vote for me."
And they had, over and over again, so many times that no one except me seemed to remember that things had ever been different.
Michael Dibdin, Dirty Tricks
| 1025 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:36:12pm |
| 1026 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:36:15pm |
re: #1019 NJDhockeyfan
BBL?
Is that another media source that's been deemed inaccurate, biased, and whacko?!
| 1027 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:36:26pm |
re: #1022 darthstar
I think that was Alice Cooper (who looks a bit like Jesus after a bender)
Aw, shit...no, it was Paul McCartney & Wings that did "Live & Let Die"...Cooper did "The Man With The Golden Gun"
| 1028 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:36:37pm |
re: #869 SanFranciscoZionist
The whole region has SAD. What can you do? (Except keep them under sunlamps as much as possible.)
Socialist sunlamps.
They're free, but they also give you terminal melanoma.
| 1030 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:37:22pm |
re: #1024 iceweasel
first thing people want to be cut as frivolous is always the NEA.......
| 1031 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:37:26pm |
re: #1025 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but, the big question is...
Do you have your pants on?
/
LOL!
LOL! Yup, I certainly do! You crack me up, you do! Upding for you!
| 1032 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:37:41pm |
| 1033 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:38:20pm |
re: #935 Floral Giraffe
You'd look GOOD in a Bentley convertible.
Just saying...
re: #946 darthstar
Especially with a couple of nekkid red-heads next to him.
But then I'd be afraid of O-Ren Ishii (skip to timestamp 6:40):
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
| 1034 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:38:23pm |
re: #931 CapeCoddah
Nope... Pure American pride!
SS and Medicare funds were taken from me, without my permission. I paid for it, and I will never see a penny of it back.
Starve in the gutter? No, but I will do whatever job I have to do to earn my own way. I will never take welfare in any form. SS and Medicare are not welfare, unless you have never worked, faked an injury etc. THEN it is welfare. Take without contributing, welfare. Government subsidies, welfare. Period.
I am happy to pay taxes to help some folks who cannot help themselves, but that number is far, far fewer than the number currently on the dole. I will never join that club. Thanks anyway.
Food stamps, WIC, housing subsidies, and direct welfare payments make up less than 4% of the US budget.
In other words, 4% of your taxes.
Medicaid and CHIP? Those would be healthcare costs for the indigent. twenty percent.
Would you like to rethink your position there, Cape Coddah?
| 1035 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:38:27pm |
re: #1014 Spare O'Lake
Close, but no cigar.
I know..I was spoofin again...Ringo also went off on 'Honey Don't', the Carl Pickens cover, with his between lyrics scat...a rehearsal cut made the album
| 1036 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:38:35pm |
Hey darth, I like your avatar! Its way cool!
| 1038 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:39:11pm |
| 1039 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:39:22pm |
re: #1031 Dragon_Lady
LOL! Yup, I certainly do! You crack me up, you do! Upding for you!
It's just funny, the pants thing.
I mean, really.
Is there something to see, that you haven't seen before?
LOL!
| 1040 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:39:26pm |
re: #1032 darthstar
Okay, I think we've mentioned all four Beatles now.
Pete Best was replaced with Ringo on the day that I was born.
| 1041 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:39:29pm |
re: #963 TheMatrix31
Now we're all racists that don't care about minorities with health issues!
/L-M-F-A-O
Uhh no.
However, if you fight tooth and nail to support a racially imbalanced system, you are supporting racism.
This should follow logically. Why can't you see that?
You would have no problems correctly chastising Palestinians for voting in Hamas yes?
The principle is that if you support a terrorist system, you are supporting terrorism... Yes?
That is why the vote for Hamas was a bad thing... you know the notion that you have responsibility for your choices?
So again if you support a racially imbalanced system, and US health care is indeed that way, you are supporting racism.
| 1042 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:39:37pm |
re: #1011 NJDhockeyfan
Nobody is turned away at the hospital regardless if they have insurance, can pay for it, or not.
So, a woman can see a general practitioner, receive prenatal care, and if necessary be treated for pregnancy complications at her local hospital? If this is the case, how are we doing with this?
| 1043 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:39:39pm |
| 1045 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:01pm |
re: #1020 Dragon_Lady
I love a thick Scottish accent! Makes me feel closer to home! And before you ask, no I wasn't born across the pond, but here. I'm 1/4 Irish and have never seen the emerald isle but I think of it as home and some day I'll get to see it for myself.
I keep urging Jimmah to make more dialect posts. I love 'em!
It's so cute.
I have no problems with his accent, but some of the folks near where he lives...whoa. Impossible for me. My Babel Fish isn't working entirely properly yet.
A few people here couldn't understand him at all, lol.
| 1046 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:10pm |
re: #1033 Cato the Elder
She's cute, but a little two dimensional.
| 1047 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:18pm |
re: #1020 Dragon_Lady
I love a thick Scottish accent! Makes me feel closer to home! And before you ask, no I wasn't born across the pond, but here. I'm 1/4 Irish and have never seen the emerald isle but I think of it as home and some day I'll get to see it for myself.
Well worth it. Ireland is gorgeous.
| 1048 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:28pm |
re: #1036 Dragon_Lady
Hey darth, I like your avatar! Its way cool!
Thanks...keeping it for another 24 hours or so...
| 1049 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:33pm |
| 1050 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:39pm |
re: #1042 SanFranciscoZionist
We have a big problem with complications from induced labor and C-sections.
| 1051 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:39pm |
re: #1020 Dragon_Lady
I love a thick Scottish accent! Makes me feel closer to home! And before you ask, no I wasn't born across the pond, but here. I'm 1/4 Irish and have never seen the emerald isle but I think of it as home and some day I'll get to see it for myself.
Huvny been thair since ah wiz a wean. Might take a wee trip ower their soon, but. Byrawiy - ah'm born an raised in Scoatland bit ah'm Irish by blood oan baith sides o' the family. ;-)
| 1052 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:47pm |
re: #1033 Cato the Elder
But then I'd be afraid of O-Ren Ishii (skip to timestamp 6:40):
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Nah. You'd just just grab your shield and gladius, then charge right in.
| 1053 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:52pm |
re: #1045 iceweasel
We like the Scottish!
Kilts or no!
*waves*
| 1054 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:40:59pm |
re: #866 Cato the Elder
I seriously doubt whether I would meet your high clientele standards.
That's OK, taxis are cheaper, and trailer trash types are extremely glad not to have to know people like you.
Cato, We disagree, but I consider you a friend. Friends are welcome, they even ride for free. I see no need for trash, no matter where you live. It is a lifestyle choice one makes consciously. I choose not to mingle with people who choose to live like that. I do not believe I mentioned anything about the requirements of my clients bank accounts. Just themselves.
| 1055 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:41:18pm |
| 1056 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:41:24pm |
re: #1039 Floral Giraffe
It's just funny, the pants thing.
I mean, really.
Is there something to see, that you haven't seen before?
LOL!
Uh, no. I grew up the only girl outta four kids and I've been married for 25 years. No mystery as to whats down there I'm afraid.
| 1057 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:41:24pm |
re: #1015 Jimmah
Are you saying that most religions don't preach the law of the jungle? That the phrase "Live and let die" wasn't uttered by Jesus during his 'Sermon on the Mount"?
HAte tobreak it to you, but those biblical values with all that talk about caring for the poor, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and upholding the rights of the widow and the orphan are antithetical to the GOP line of every rich white person for himself.
| 1058 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:41:50pm |
re: #1011 NJDhockeyfan
Nobody is turned away at the hospital regardless if they have insurance, can pay for it, or not.
But if you get treated at an emergency room without insurance, they will hound you for payment until you go bankrupt.
| 1059 |
prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:41:59pm |
re: #1045 iceweasel
A northern English accent is almost impossible for me to understand and I think they delight in it.
| 1060 |
Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:42:08pm |
re: #1011 NJDhockeyfan
That's rather more a statement of faith than it is one of truth. Nobody is turned away for critical care. Plenty of people are turned away for non-critical care.
You understand that part, right?
Furthermore, even people with insurance may not have prenatal care covered to the extent that they're able to get all the prenatal care necessary-- high deductible plans, for example. So it's not just about being insured, but being insured in that particular area.
So yes, I'm afraid people are turned away at the hospital and denied treatments.
There are also downstream negative affects from an uninsured or badly insured person having to pay the bill-- opportunity cost, economists call it. Since they're now saddled with debt to pay off, it's harder for them to do things like relocate for new jobs, go back to school, or whether a period of unemployment. It's not just bad for them-- someone with debt is not good for anyone, except sometimes the debt-holder. But not certainly, even then.
Finally, those who default on that debt or who simply can't pay it back at any meaningful speed represent a loss for the hospitals and doctors-- who charge insurance companies more, and who are subsidized, often, by the government. So your tax dollars, and your money you pay for health insurance, both already go to support the bills of those without insurance.
We already have socialized insurance, but we have a very costly and inefficient version of it that penalizes small businesses, independent self-employed people, and the middle-class the most in terms of economic cost.
And we still have millions who don't get the care they need.
| 1061 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:42:16pm |
re: #1051 Jimmah
You look good in cleats!
How's the shoulder?
You taking care of it?
| 1062 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:42:21pm |
re: #1050 jaunte
We have a big problem with complications from induced labor and C-sections.
We do. Not as bad as Brazil's, but hell, when did just giving birth become 'alternative'?
| 1063 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:42:39pm |
re: #1058 Alouette
But if you get treated at an emergency room without insurance, they will hound you for payment until you go bankrupt.
And if you absolutely can't pay at a public hospital, guess who picks up the tab?
| 1064 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:43:14pm |
re: #1049 bratwurst
Check your own #746.
go up further in your pursuit...keep going, you'll see it and it will all become crystal clear
| 1065 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:43:15pm |
re: #1041 LudwigVanQuixote
Uhh no.
However, if you fight tooth and nail to support a racially imbalanced system, you are supporting racism.
This should follow logically. Why can't you see that?
You would have no problems correctly chastising Palestinians for voting in Hamas yes?
The principle is that if you support a terrorist system, you are supporting terrorism... Yes?
That is why the vote for Hamas was a bad thing... you know the notion that you have responsibility for your choices?
So again if you support a racially imbalanced system, and US health care is indeed that way, you are supporting racism.
I disagree. Just because their is a racial imbalance, does not mean the system is racist. Correlation does not equal causation. If you wish to prove the system racist, you may attempt to do so.
| 1066 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:43:15pm |
re: #778 Lateralis
well, yes, the freedom to do catastrophically stupid things.
and seriously, you are against the government trying to stop peoplle pouring mercury into the water supplY?
| 1067 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:43:38pm |
re: #1062 SanFranciscoZionist
Making a birth conform to the medical provider's schedule is backwards.
| 1068 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:43:50pm |
re: #1051 Jimmah
Huvny been thair since ah wiz a wean. Might take a wee trip ower their soon, but. Byrawiy - ah'm born an raised in Scoatland bit ah'm Irish by blood oan baith sides o' the family. ;-)
Didn't Mel Gibson say that very thing in Braveheart?
/or was it the traffic stop?
//
| 1069 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:44:55pm |
re: #978 iceweasel
But yeah, I'm sure you can waltz in their with your kid with an ear infection and fever and be seen right away. No problem.
/
Yeah, right away. You know that right now if you're in that middle income bracket many people can't afford health insurance and can't qualify for Medicare. There's only trauma care of acute care. If you have stage 3 cancer forget about it. What they do then is prescribe you pain killers and send you home to die. If they do treat you you get a heart attack when you get the bill. Health cares costs are artificially inflated to maintain the physicians and administrators lifestyles to which they've become accustomed to.
| 1070 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:44:58pm |
| 1071 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:44:58pm |
re: #975 NJDhockeyfan
Fair and Balanced!
"some" people have said...
That's not journalism, NJHF, that's bald spin.
Here's a fact, with citations:
Public opinion
Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."[5][6]
Gee, 7 out 0f 8!
Fancy that!
| 1072 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:45:10pm |
re: #1064 albusteve
go up further in your pursuit...keep going, you'll see it and it will all become crystal clear
So it is only classless when someone OTHER than you calls someone else a liar. Crystal clear now boss...thanks!
| 1073 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:45:57pm |
re: #1071 austin_blue
In other words, a VAST MAJORITY oppose it?
/
| 1074 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:46:16pm |
re: #1057 LudwigVanQuixote
HAte tobreak it to you, but those biblical values with all that talk about caring for the poor, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and upholding the rights of the widow and the orphan are antithetical to the GOP line of every rich white person for himself.
Yep - they seem to think 'social justice' is for the next world only.
| 1075 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:46:48pm |
re: #1003 Mr Pancakes
I agree, my neighbor had a blood clot in his leg which required it to be removed. They marked the wrong leg for removal. Needless to say after they removed the wrong leg they went in and removed the other one. He was going to sue the hospital and doctor but was unsuccessful, because they said he didn't have a leg to stand on.
What a drag that must have been.
| 1076 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:46:51pm |
re: #1015 Jimmah
Are you saying that most religions don't preach the law of the jungle? That the phrase "Live and let die" wasn't uttered by Jesus during his 'Sermon on the Mount"?
He didn't finish his sentences with "or get fined or go to jail," is one difference between Jesus and government.
| 1077 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:47:00pm |
re: #1055 Spare O'Lake
FBV got it ...Ringo.
a friend of mine just sent me an email...instant links to every Beatles song recorded, with a blur about each one...and a slew of studio vids etc...pretty cool....i've not forgotten those guys in my lust for the Stones, or as the years go by...the Beatles could fucking flat out rock when they wanted to...there are supreme with regard to writing and arranging, but they had the best in the business to guide them, G Martin
| 1078 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:47:59pm |
re: #1072 bratwurst
So it is only classless when someone OTHER than you calls someone else a liar. Crystal clear now boss...thanks!
no, keep working at it, don't give up halfway
| 1079 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:48:02pm |
re: #1071 austin_blue
Fair and Balanced!
"some" people have said...
That's not journalism, NJHF, that's bald spin.
Here's a fact, with citations:
Public opinion
Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."[5][6]
Gee, 7 out 0f 8!
Fancy that!
Yow!
Linkie:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 1080 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:48:03pm |
re: #1076 The Sanity Inspector
by that we can also deduce Jesus did not play Monopoly.........
| 1081 |
Interesting Times Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:48:23pm |
re: #785 austin_blue
Anyone in Canada on the Board tonight? If so, would you prefer our system to yours?
Hell to the no times eleventy-one. And reading the stories of other LGF members (can't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions, premium payments that go up faster than Goldman Sachs bonuses, forced to work an extra job just for the insurance) only makes me even more grateful for what I have.
| 1082 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:48:30pm |
re: #1074 Jimmah
Yep - they seem to think 'social justice' is for the next world only.
"Social Justice" is out. Beck pulled the Nihil Obstat.
| 1083 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:48:43pm |
| 1084 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:49:22pm |
re: #877 darthstar
Who else rents a friggin' Limo these days? It's all about bling and vomiting on the patent leather.
Businessmen and women, you know, the backbone of the USA.
Brides and Grooms
People celebrating a 50th anniversary, or any anniversary
Handicapped and elderly clients who cannot drive, but hate puke smelling taxis
Parents who want to take their 10 year old to a game in a stretch for the birthday party
People adopting babies from another country go to the airport to meet their children.
Thats who. I have the best job in the world, my clients are always happy, and I make them happier. I enjoy the hell out of that.
BTW, there is not a Rolls or Bentley in existence that has patent leather... tacky.
| 1085 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:49:29pm |
re: #1065 Dark_Falcon
I disagree. Just because their is a racial imbalance, does not mean the system is racist. Correlation does not equal causation. If you wish to prove the system racist, you may attempt to do so.
OK, to be completely fair the system is imbalanced towards the poor and the working class.
The fact that in the US those sectors are predominated by minorities is the result of racism (amongst many other things, but you can not ignore the open racism).
So your technical quibble that the system is harsh on poor people and not minorities, only would hold up if certain historical racial trends in America were not real.
Another aspect of this has to do with lack of education. Lack of education leads to many health problems because people just don't get the correlation between their actions and their health.
But then again, the best education in this nation is reserved for those who can afford it. I do not want to hear about the random scholarship kid who pulled him or herself up by the bootstraps either academically. For every one of them, there are a hundred completely ignorant folks in America.
Again, that has a racial overtone to it because of who this country has made poor - and keeps poor.
| 1086 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:49:30pm |
re: #1074 Jimmah
Along with my Federal, State and Local taxes, Sales taxes, gas taxes, restaurant taxes and stuff like that I also contribute 10% of my income to my Church and the local Rescue Mission.
I have Christian friends who do much more.
Please pick up a smaller brush. Those are awfully broad strokes you are painting there.
| 1088 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:50:05pm |
Reverend Al is in da house. Please, a big warm welcome for Reverend Al.
| 1089 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:50:09pm |
re: #1074 Jimmah
Yep - they seem to think 'social justice' is for the next world only.
To bad that they didn't read the other bits in the Bible about what God does to those who don't care for social justice....
| 1090 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:50:17pm |
re: #1045 iceweasel
I keep urging Jimmah to make more dialect posts. I love 'em!
It's so cute.I have no problems with his accent, but some of the folks near where he lives...whoa. Impossible for me. My Babel Fish isn't working entirely properly yet.
A few people here couldn't understand him at all, lol.
Oh, I have no problem understanding that kind of accent. I love historically written text, I've been hearing all kinds of accents for over 20 years in downtown L.A. and I've heard them all. Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, Armenian, Serbian, Latvian, Ukrainian, Scottish, Dutch, Russian, You name it! I love them all and I can generally understand them all. I grew up next door to a family from Holland ad I can understand almost 80% of what their saying, kinda shocked a couple of dutchmen who started speaking in their native tongue in front of me without thinking about it. After about 15 minutes they stopped in shock and stared at me. I had to laugh at their expression and explain my connection to a dutch family. One of the largest sales I ever made! It was such fun. I miss those days sometimes.
| 1091 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:50:39pm |
re: #1084 CapeCoddah
Businessmen and women, you know, the backbone of the USA.
Brides and Grooms
People celebrating a 50th anniversary, or any anniversary
Handicapped and elderly clients who cannot drive, but hate puke smelling taxis
Parents who want to take their 10 year old to a game in a stretch for the birthday party
People adopting babies from another country go to the airport to meet their children.
Thats who. I have the best job in the world, my clients are always happy, and I make them happier. I enjoy the hell out of that.BTW, there is not a Rolls or Bentley in existence that has patent leather... tacky.
I've done several limo gigs...good for you
| 1092 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:50:45pm |
re: #1084 CapeCoddah
BTW, there is not a Rolls or Bentley in existence that has patent leather... tacky.
Sorry...I meant vinyl.
| 1093 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:50:57pm |
re: #1077 albusteve
a friend of mine just sent me an email...instant links to every Beatles song recorded, with a blur about each one...and a slew of studio vids etc...pretty cool...i've not forgotten those guys in my lust for the Stones, or as the years go by...the Beatles could fucking flat out rock when they wanted to...there are supreme with regard to writing and arranging, but they had the best in the business to guide them, G Martin
I enjoy looking at the Beatles Rock Band game clips on YouTube.
| 1094 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:51:13pm |
re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Along with my Federal, State and Local taxes, Sales taxes, gas taxes, restaurant taxes and stuff like that I also contribute 10% of my income to my Church and the local Rescue Mission.
I have Christian friends who do much more.
Please pick up a smaller brush. Those are awfully broad strokes you are painting there.
You just noticed?
| 1095 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:51:30pm |
re: #766 NJDhockeyfan
Is this coming from the WH or just guessing on both of your parts? I can't find anything where Obama corrected himself yet. I'm sure it's coming.
He's working off of prepared remarks, and was quoting a number of cost savings estimates (the ones that preceded it were edited out of the Townhall.com version). When he gets to the savings for those who get their healthcare from their employers he talks about an "estimated" reduction in premiums of "up to" 3,000 and then flubs reading the dollars and instead says percent. That matches up perfectly with the estimated premiums reduction of up to $3,000 listed at whitehouse.gov, which is why it's very likely that's what's in the actual text of the prepared remarks (unless the error was in the text).
Actually, forget all that, I just did a search for the speech text released by the White House to the media. TPM has a copy:
[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
Here's the relevant section:
Finally, my proposal would bring down the cost of health care for families, businesses, and the federal government. Americans buying comparable coverage to what they have today in the individual market would see premiums fall by 14 to 20 percent. For Americans who get their insurance through the workplace, costs could fall by as much as $3,000 a person.
Also here's the transcript of the speech, as delivered, at whitehouse.gov:
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
let me talk about the third thing, which is my proposal would bring down the cost of health care for families, for businesses, and for the federal government. So Americans buying comparable coverage to what they have today -- I already said this -- would see premiums fall by 14 to 20 percent -- that’s not my numbers, that’s what the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says -- for Americans who get their insurance through the workplace. How many people are getting insurance through their jobs right now? Raise your hands. All right. Well, a lot of those folks, your employer it’s estimated would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent [sic], which means they could give you a raise.
Note the "[sic]".
| 1096 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:51:32pm |
| 1097 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:52:09pm |
re: #1084 CapeCoddah
Took a limo from Napa to Sf to see Rod Steward one night..6 of us..It was a blast!
| 1098 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:52:28pm |
re: #1096 Gus 802
Too many naugas die for comfy auto seating.
| 1099 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:52:34pm |
re: #1084 CapeCoddah
Silly you for providing services that people want!
| 1100 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:52:50pm |
| 1101 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:53:02pm |
re: #1089 LudwigVanQuixote
To bad that they didn't read the other bits in the Bible about what God does to those who don't care for social justice...
only you guys would stoop so low...what's next from your Self Righteous Tag Team Defenders of the Oppressed?....what a laugh!...outdo yourselves!
| 1102 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:53:09pm |
re: #1085 LudwigVanQuixote
OK, to be completely fair the system is imbalanced towards the poor and the working class.
The fact that in the US those sectors are predominated by minorities is the result of racism (amongst many other things, but you can not ignore the open racism).
So your technical quibble that the system is harsh on poor people and not minorities, only would hold up if certain historical racial trends in America were not real.
Another aspect of this has to do with lack of education. Lack of education leads to many health problems because people just don't get the correlation between their actions and their health.
But then again, the best education in this nation is reserved for those who can afford it. I do not want to hear about the random scholarship kid who pulled him or herself up by the bootstraps either academically. For every one of them, there are a hundred completely ignorant folks in America.
Again, that has a racial overtone to it because of who this country has made poor - and keeps poor.
True, and well stated. I would, however, point out that trying to get health care fixed does not require supporting Obama's bill (though you did not say it did, to be clear). It's possible to see this bill as a ill-made disaster in the making and want it voted down. To think that way is not racist, though it does behoove the thinker to propose an alternative.
| 1103 |
Irenicum Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:53:11pm |
Howdy gang. Another day in world religions. Today's menu consisted of Hinduism. We have next week off (Hallelujah!) and then some more Hinduism before we hit Buddhism. But that's not why I'm posting! I just found this through twitter and it is so cool. It's the Smithsonian Institute's page on the evidence for human evolution. That's definitely gonna be in my bookmarked file!
| 1104 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:53:15pm |
re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They only have one brush.
| 1106 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:00pm |
re: #935 Floral Giraffe
You'd look GOOD in a Bentley convertible.
Just saying...
They are pretty, we have an Azure. Bigfoot would look good in an Azure.
| 1107 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:21pm |
re: #1080 wozzablog
by that we can also deduce Jesus did not play Monopoly...
The spirit of the thing, is what I'm talking about...
| 1108 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:29pm |
One of my friend's statuses on FB says....
__________Actually witnessed a debate over the number of states in the US. Traffic school might be more entertaining than I thought
5 minutes ago via Facebook for iPhone
.....of course, we all know what Obama's answer is.
| 1109 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:41pm |
re: #1100 darthstar
All the better to hose out puke afterward.
Plastic slip covers! They're especially great in summer when your wearing shorts and the legs gets attached momentarily to the plastic and then as you lift your leg up it goes "shwoop."
/
| 1110 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:48pm |
re: #1093 The Sanity Inspector
I enjoy looking at the Beatles Rock Band game clips on YouTube.
[Video]
whoa!...groovy!
| 1111 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:51pm |
re: #938 darthstar
Yep. It's all about the bling. Not to knock the man for running a limo company...somebody has to do it...but the suggestion that he 'screens his clients' is ridiculous. A fare is a fare.
I don't do proms. Kids have no respect.
| 1112 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:54:53pm |
re: #1101 albusteve
only you guys would stoop so low...what's next from your Self Righteous Tag Team Defenders of the Oppressed?...what a laugh!...outdo yourselves!
Yes, I come from a three thousand year old tradition of standing up for the poor and the mistreated.
I am very proud of it.
And we have despised assholes like you for opposing our stance for just as long.
| 1113 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:55:12pm |
re: #1089 LudwigVanQuixote
To bad that they didn't read the other bits in the Bible about what God does to those who don't care for social justice...
Hey, as long as you accept his kid, you can bite the heads off babies and still make it into heaven.
| 1114 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:55:17pm |
re: #1054 CapeCoddah
Cato, We disagree, but I consider you a friend. Friends are welcome, they even ride for free. I see no need for trash, no matter where you live. It is a lifestyle choice one makes consciously. I choose not to mingle with people who choose to live like that. I do not believe I mentioned anything about the requirements of my clients bank accounts. Just themselves.
Curiouser and curiouser.
In the interest of toning down the rhetoric here, explain to me, then, how you tell a wild-eyed, wild-haired, overweight, scruffy-looking, old-clothes-wearing, out-of-work translator like me from trailer trash.
I mean, let's say I come into your office unannounced, incognito, like Zeus dressed in rags testing someone's hospitality to strangers.
Do you go by the beard? The clothes? Let's say my bank account is fine (for the moment) and my credit rating not half bad. Do you make a home visit? Give me a literacy test?
And then suppose I fail, and reveal my true Olympian identity? Will you take it back and offer me the best Bentley in the fleet?
Religion - at least any religion I've ever been interested in calling my own - teaches us to see the poor scruffy bum who would be happy if someone thought he was trailer trash as a potential messenger from God, or the messiah, or an alter Christus. Some of them live right here in my scruffy-ass neighborhood, and you know what? When you get past the scary looks and, yes, sometimes the smell, they all have interesting stories to tell.
And sometimes I give them rides in my leather-seated Lincoln.
| 1115 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:55:27pm |
re: #1082 Decatur Deb
"Social Justice" is out. Beck pulled the Nihil Obstat.
As I have pointed out previously, a lot of clerical folks have a problem with Beck's (and some of our fellow Lizard's) take on "social justice":
[Link: www.deseretnews.com...]
| 1116 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:56:02pm |
re: #969 Spare O'Lake
Who shouted "I got blisters on my fingers!" at the end of a song?
In proper Liverpudlian, it's "...on me fingers!", no?
| 1117 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:56:09pm |
re: #1102 Dark_Falcon
True, and well stated. I would, however, point out that trying to get health care fixed does not require supporting Obama's bill (though you did not say it did, to be clear). It's possible to see this bill as a ill-made disaster in the making and want it voted down. To think that way is not racist, though it does behoove the thinker to propose an alternative.
That is true, but the original comment was in the context of infant mortality and death in child birth - which is something that affects the poor much more so than the wealthy, and then all of my arguments come back into play.
| 1118 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:56:26pm |
re: #1089 LudwigVanQuixote
To bad that they didn't read the other bits in the Bible about what God does to those who don't care for social justice...
| 1119 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:57:08pm |
re: #1020 Dragon_Lady
I love a thick Scottish accent! Makes me feel closer to home! And before you ask, no I wasn't born across the pond, but here. I'm 1/4 Irish and have never seen the emerald isle but I think of it as home and some day I'll get to see it for myself.
Oh hey DL -- and all other folks with at least one Irish grandparent-- if you can provide all the documentation, you're entitled to Irish citizenship. Think about it. Can be a handy thing.
This Saint Patrick's Eve post brought to you by a 'transnational progressive', who, like Jimmah, has 100% Irish ancestry.
| 1120 |
keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:57:27pm |
re: #1074 Jimmah
Yep - they seem to think 'social justice' is for the next world only.
Sometimes. "Social Justice" is a somewhat loaded term in Christianity. Shades of gray and balance are hard to do in religion (and blogs), but many clergy burn out when they spend too much time on social welfare and not enough on religion, then do neither. You need balance in any religious institution. The Catholics in Latin America had big internal schisms about this in the 70s and 80s. The 'social justice' activists were fellow travelers with marxist revolutionaries with some regularity - at a time and place when that meant theft and murder for millions. Pope JP 2.0 had enough of Polish 'social justice' in extremis and spent enormous amounts of energy untying that theological gordian knot.
| 1121 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:57:55pm |
re: #1114 Cato the Elder
Curiouser and curiouser.
In the interest of toning down the rhetoric here, explain to me, then, how you tell a wild-eyed, wild-haired, overweight, scruffy-looking, old-clothes-wearing, out-of-work translator like me from trailer trash.
I mean, let's say I come into your office unannounced, incognito, like Zeus dressed in rags testing someone's hospitality to strangers.
Do you go by the beard? The clothes? Let's say my bank account is fine (for the moment) and my credit rating not half bad. Do you make a home visit? Give me a literacy test?
And then suppose I fail, and reveal my true Olympian identity? Will you take it back and offer me the best Bentley in the fleet?
Religion - at least any religion I've ever been interested in calling my own - teaches us to see the poor scruffy bum who would be happy if someone thought he was trailer trash as a potential messenger from God, or the messiah, or an alter Christus. Some of them live right here in my scruffy-ass neighborhood, and you know what? When you get past the scary looks and, yes, sometimes the smell, they all have interesting stories to tell.
And sometimes I give them rides in my leather-seated Lincoln.
Well said Cato.
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:58:06pm |
re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Along with my Federal, State and Local taxes, Sales taxes, gas taxes, restaurant taxes and stuff like that I also contribute 10% of my income to my Church and the local Rescue Mission.
I have Christian friends who do much more.
Please pick up a smaller brush. Those are awfully broad strokes you are painting there.
I was replying regarding "the GOP line of every rich white person for himself." It's definitely a strain of GOP thought - not everyone who votes republican, of course, subscribes to it.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:58:08pm |
re: #1115 bratwurst
Wife is a Wallis fan--still looks a little sleek to me.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:58:18pm |
re: #1119 iceweasel
Oh hey DL -- and all other folks with at least one Irish grandparent-- if you can provide all the documentation, you're entitled to Irish citizenship. Think about it. Can be a handy thing.
This Saint Patrick's Eve post brought to you by a 'transnational progressive', who, like Jimmah, has 100% Irish ancestry.
I've got an Irish mother, and an Irish passport. I use it whenever I fly abroad...never have to wait in line as I can take the EU path through customs...pull out my American passport when I get back home.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:59:20pm |
re: #1105 wozzablog
We try.
yeah, I hate orphans, indigents, handicappers, the elderly and all people less fortunate than me!....I'm the complete atheist package baby!...press it!...make it happen!...
what a bunch of rubes...you should step back and reread this tripe...good lawdy!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:59:48pm |
re: #1121 Gus 802
The purple band always gives you away.
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prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 6:59:54pm |
re: #1114 Cato the Elder
{Cato}
That's from God's scruffy messengers. "Be careful lest you entertain an Angel unawares."
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:00:03pm |
re: #1119 iceweasel
if you have an 1/8th of an irish relative you can play for their football team too......
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:00:23pm |
re: #1122 Jimmah
I was replying regarding "the GOP line of every rich white person for himself." It's definitely a strain of GOP thought - not everyone who votes republican, of course, subscribes to it.
But if they don't, they are called RINOs.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:00:36pm |
re: #1125 albusteve
yeah, I hate orphans, indigents, handicappers, the elderly and all people less fortunate than me!...I'm the complete atheist package baby!...press it!...make it happen!...
what a bunch of rubes...you should step back and reread this tripe...good lawdy!
Atheists don't hate any of the above. And we're quite spiritual. We just don't buy into the great spook in the sky story.
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:13pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:17pm |
re: #1125 albusteve
I'm by and large happy with it.
And try tripe some time - the cow entrails in gravy are actually rather lovely.
So is crow.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:20pm |
re: #1119 iceweasel
Oh hey DL -- and all other folks with at least one Irish grandparent-- if you can provide all the documentation, you're entitled to Irish citizenship. Think about it. Can be a handy thing.
This Saint Patrick's Eve post brought to you by a 'transnational progressive', who, like Jimmah, has 100% Irish ancestry.
So Ireland has a "Law of Return" just like Israel.
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:29pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
Another aspect of this has to do with lack of education. Lack of education leads to many health problems because people just don't get the correlation between their actions and their health.
But then again, the best education in this nation is reserved for those who can afford it.
Surely you're not implying one must be a college graduate to know and observe basic health care?
Aren't "don't smoke, exercise, eat right, don't abuse drugs" among others, taught from first grade on? Aren't these messages also all over the tv that is so prevalent in most homes?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:43pm |
re: #1116 ryannon
In proper Liverpudlian, it's "...on me fingers!", no?
You get some steak and chips for that astute observation.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:55pm |
re: #986 solomonpanting
Oh, the humanity!
Successive governments and pathologically partisan politics have totally screwed up what used to be a great system of social protection.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01:58pm |
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:02:09pm |
re: #1119 iceweasel
Oh hey DL -- and all other folks with at least one Irish grandparent-- if you can provide all the documentation, you're entitled to Irish citizenship. Think about it. Can be a handy thing.
This Saint Patrick's Eve post brought to you by a 'transnational progressive', who, like Jimmah, has 100% Irish ancestry.
I didn't know that! Unfortunately, my grandparents though of Irish descent were born here. I'm at least fourth generation American on both sided of the family. As much as I'd love to claim my heritage I'm afraid they'd never accept me. Darn it! *sigh*
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:02:10pm |
re: #1124 darthstar
I've got an Irish mother, and an Irish passport. I use it whenever I fly abroad...never have to wait in line as I can take the EU path through customs...pull out my American passport when I get back home.
Exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone needs more than one passport. Being able to take the EU line is major.
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Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:02:24pm |
re: #1129 LudwigVanQuixote
But if they don't, they are called RINOs.
Yep - they are not exactly in the GOP's driving seat right now, that's for sure.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:02:28pm |
re: #1125 albusteve
yeah, I hate orphans, indigents, handicappers, the elderly and all people less fortunate than me!...I'm the complete atheist package baby!...press it!...make it happen!...
what a bunch of rubes...you should step back and reread this tripe...good lawdy!
No you are just trying to be a troll and proudly announcing that you don't care for the social contract. Isn't that right mountain man? No government interference for you!
I repeat. I come from a three thousand year long tradition of despising callous, selfish, self righteous assholes like you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:02:32pm |
re: #1076 The Sanity Inspector
He didn't finish his sentences with "or get fined or go to jail," is one difference between Jesus and government.
I do recall a certain number of "...shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"s.
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:02:47pm |
re: #1134 solomonpanting
Dude, even defining 'eat right' is pretty damn complicated, especially for city folk.
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:03:13pm |
re: #1133 Alouette
So Ireland has a "Law of Return" just like Israel.
So does Spain which I think is called right of return.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:03:32pm |
re: #1134 solomonpanting
Surely you're not implying one must be a college graduate to know and observe basic health care?
Aren't "don't smoke, exercise, eat right, don't abuse drugs" among others, taught from first grade on? Aren't these messages also all over the tv that is so prevalent in most homes?
NO please.
If you think that the issue has to do with college you are way off base.
Look at an inner city public school sometime and you will take my meaning.
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Irenicum Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:03:48pm |
re: #1114 Cato the Elder
Cato, I could give you a serious hug for what you wrote.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:03:53pm |
re: #1112 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, I come from a three thousand year old tradition of standing up for the poor and the mistreated.
I am very proud of it.
And we have despised assholes like you for opposing our stance for just as long.
you mental cripple...I'd bet I've given more of my money away than you have....your new pious stature is as phony as the last gig you played...call me whatever names you want...blowhards on the internet do not impress me...blow away with your 3000 year old tradition
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:04:13pm |
re: #1139 iceweasel
Exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone needs more than one passport. Being able to take the EU line is major.
I started the process of getting my Irish passport after a couple of 8 hour flights to London where my plane came in at the same time as two or three from Saudi Arabia/Dubai/etc. Standing in line for 90 minutes to get through customs was just unbearable after a long flight.
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:04:13pm |
You know, it's odd. If you respond to the hard right cohort on this Board with links to hard facts, hard figures, and graphs, they don't respond. They can't. If you respond with hyperbole, they get right in your face.
I've been doing that all night and I've noticed that this is true.
Huh.
Perhaps this might take down the bickering?
Just sayin',,,
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:04:26pm |
There is only one thing wrong with Scotsmen, there are too few of them.
-- Winston Churchill, addressing House of Commons
That knuckle-end of England, that land of Calvin, oat-cakes, and sulphur.
-- Sydney Smith, in Lady Holland, Memoir of Sydney Smith, 1855
Once you get the hang of it, and apprehend the type, it is a most beautiful and admirable little country--fit, for 'distinction' etc., to make up a trio with Italy and Greece.
-- Henry James, letter to Miss Alice James, 15 September 1878
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:04:57pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Along with my Federal, State and Local taxes, Sales taxes, gas taxes, restaurant taxes and stuff like that I also contribute 10% of my income to my Church and the local Rescue Mission.
Good for you, seriously. However I'm still waiting for you to address the point I made in my #954 that with prosperity comes a greater interest in the maintenance of an orderly society.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:06:07pm |
re: #1150 austin_blue
I stopped linking on this ages ago - they get ignored or someone comes back with an 8year old BBC story about a solitary grandma overlooked on a ward in West Woustershershire.
It's absolutely fucking pointless.
"county general and no prescription drug plan was good enough for Jesus......"
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:06:30pm |
re: #1141 LudwigVanQuixote
+ for "Isn't that right, mountain man?"
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:06:50pm |
re: #1054 CapeCoddah
Or let me ask you another question, CC.
I love driving, I'm extremely good at it, and fine cars give me pleasurable goosebumps.
I'm also unemployed and believe in working for a living. I love the Cape, and New England in general, and even have friends who would probably put me up in Harwich, and definitely some who would put me up in Salem, NH, until I found a place of my own.
So would you offer me a job driving Fords and letting me work my way up to Bentleys? I'll even trim my goatee.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:07:22pm |
re: #1147 albusteve
you mental cripple...I'd bet I've given more of my money away than you have...your new pious stature is as phony as the last gig you played...call me whatever names you want...blowhards on the internet do not impress me...blow away with your 3000 year old tradition
Yeah that one that says feed the hungry, clothe the naked and uphold the rights of the widow and the orphan.
Indeed. I am sure people like you would want to make that go away.
It is a philosophy that says that you have a moral responsibility to others.
The question of "am I my brother's keeper" gets an entire book to answer that yes,. yes you are whether you like it or not.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:07:39pm |
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:07:49pm |
re: #938 darthstar
Yep. It's all about the bling. Not to knock the man for running a limo company...somebody has to do it...but the suggestion that he 'screens his clients' is ridiculous. A fare is a fare.
Ah, a fare is not a fare. I screen my clients very well. This company has invested close to 2 million in cars alone.Those cars are my babies. My Mercedes were all built to match, and built to my specifications. I am proud of what I built and I take care of it. I have traveled all over the country to find just the right 10 cars. I have been entrusted with their care. 4 of my cars are works of art.
Sorry, but not everyone gets in, I turn down more inquiries than I accept, which is why I have a solid rep and a damned reliable and very happy client base. I do not advertise. We rely on word of mouth. I built that base up from the first phone call on day one. No one messes with it. No one. As I said before, I am a proud elitist. My clients all become personal friends who know they can call me 24/7 and I will always answer the phone. No matter what. I do not go on vacation, because I will not leave anyone else to answer the phone. They get top flight service, and I am proud of that. I know where all my clients are, when they are coming and going, I watch their homes when they are gone, and I will feed the cats if they want me to. I go food shopping for them when they fly in from Europe after a month and have no milk or bread at home, because they are exhausted. I have an elderly client I take to breakfast every Sunday, because I fell in love with her and she is lonely on Sundays, before her caretaker gets there.
Yes, I screen my clients. And I treat my clients like kings. There is nothing that is not my job when it comes to a client. Not everyone makes it into that club. Don't like it? Don't believe it? too damned bad.
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:07:53pm |
re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote
NO please.
If you think that the issue has to do with college you are way off base.
Look at an inner city public school sometime and you will take my meaning.
Another instance where the school should be replacing the parent.
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The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:08:00pm |
re: #1138 Dragon_Lady
I didn't know that! Unfortunately, my grandparents though of Irish descent were born here. I'm at least fourth generation American on both sided of the family. As much as I'd love to claim my heritage I'm afraid they'd never accept me. Darn it! *sigh*
Oh crap. If one of your parents had registered themselves in the list of foreign births before you were born via the exemptions, you'd already have citizenship. Sorry. :(
re: #1133 Alouette
So Ireland has a "Law of Return" just like Israel.
They seem to do a lot to ensure that people can retain citizenship for forever generationally, anyway. 3 (foriegn born) generations is the cutoff though, unless someone in there is registering as citizens to maintain the continuity. But if you do that, you could in theory maintain citizenship indefinitely in your family, even if no one is born there or even visits there.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:08:17pm |
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:08:21pm |
re: #1156 Cato the Elder
Or let me ask you another question, CC.
I love driving, I'm extremely good at it, and fine cars give me pleasurable goosebumps.
I'm also unemployed and believe in working for a living. I love the Cape, and New England in general, and even have friends who would probably put me up in Harwich, and definitely some who would put me up in Salem, NH, until I found a place of my own.
So would you offer me a job driving Fords and letting me work my way up to Bentleys? I'll even trim my goatee.
Yes.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:08:35pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:08:59pm |
re: #1141 LudwigVanQuixote
No you are just trying to be a troll and proudly announcing that you don't care for the social contract. Isn't that right mountain man? No government interference for you!
I repeat. I come from a three thousand year long tradition of despising callous, selfish, self righteous assholes like you.
Too bad you hate like a heathen.
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:09:06pm |
re: #1147 albusteve
you mental cripple...I'd bet I've given more of my money away than you have...your new pious stature is as phony as the last gig you played...call me whatever names you want...blowhards on the internet do not impress me...blow away with your 3000 year old tradition
Proving my point in #1150.
Thank you, Steve! Well done!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:09:08pm |
re: #1160 solomonpanting
Another instance where the school should be replacing the parent.
If the parent is not present then what else should be done?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:09:47pm |
re: #1165 Spare O'Lake
Too bad you hate like a heathen.
Too bad that you can not see through your silly sophistry. You are supposed to hate selfishness, evil and oppression.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:09:59pm |
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:10:00pm |
re: #959 Cato the Elder
Get back to me when your luck - and 90% of anyone's success in life is luck - takes a U-turn for the crapper.
Though you would certainly not rent a Bentley to the likes of me, I'll help you to the extent I can, and wish you céad míle fáilte into the bargain.
You are correct, Cato, I would not rent a Bentley to you. You are a friend. You ride free.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:10:01pm |
re: #1146 Irenicum
Cato, I could give you a serious hug for what you wrote.
Thank you. I accept jocular hugs, too! ;^)
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:10:03pm |
re: #1142 SanFranciscoZionist
I do recall a certain number of "...shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"s.
There are already too many government functionaries who act like they hold the Keys To The Kingdom, thankyouverymuch.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:10:03pm |
re: #1156 Cato the Elder
Or let me ask you another question, CC.
I love driving, I'm extremely good at it, and fine cars give me pleasurable goosebumps.
I'm also unemployed and believe in working for a living. I love the Cape, and New England in general, and even have friends who would probably put me up in Harwich, and definitely some who would put me up in Salem, NH, until I found a place of my own.
So would you offer me a job driving Fords and letting me work my way up to Bentleys? I'll even trim my goatee.
Well crafted and delivered Cato.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:10:13pm |
re: #1142 SanFranciscoZionist
I do recall a certain number of "...shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"s.
I'm looking for rich people to fund my research into making very tiny camels capable of fitting through the eyes of needles.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:10:58pm |
re: #1176 wozzablog
my most favoritists crazy old man in the world >>
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:11:30pm |
re: #1171 windsagio
Because you have a hard time believing someone takes such pride and care in their work and livelihood? Some people actually do this, that's why they're successful.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:11:47pm |
re: #1153 goddamnedfrank
Oh, I'm sorry. Thought you were being rhetorical.
that with prosperity comes a greater interest in the maintenance of an orderly society
Sounds like a version of Napoleon's "Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich".
All I know is that most of the well-heeled people I know (Republican/Democrat) find the trickiest most agile tax accountants that they can afford.
Babs Streisand has a hell of a Tax Lawyer, wouldn't you think. Michael Moore? Probably. Murdock? I'd guess... etc.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:11:52pm |
re: #1167 LudwigVanQuixote
If the parent is not present then what else should be done?
Point taken. The question then becomes: While the school is filling in, what should be done to compel the parent to resume their proper duties.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:12:07pm |
re: #1150 austin_blue
You know, it's odd. If you respond to the hard right cohort on this Board with links to hard facts, hard figures, and graphs, they don't respond. They can't. If you respond with hyperbole, they get right in your face.
I've been doing that all night and I've noticed that this is true.
Huh.
Perhaps this might take down the bickering?
Just sayin',,,
Only there is no hyperbole in stating that Western religious systems call for caring for the poor. That is just a fact.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:12:16pm |
re: #1179 TheMatrix31
Often "I'm so FREAKING AWESOME!" posts are etreme exaggerations at the very least. Its not worth fisking.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:12:43pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:13:23pm |
re: #1170 LudwigVanQuixote
Too bad that you can not see through your silly sophistry. You are supposed to hate selfishness, evil and oppression.
You can hate the behaviour without drooling your venomous hatred for the person.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:13:43pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
It will be a pleasure to see you get EXACTLY what you deserve should this nightmare pass. You are an abject fool, also.
Then again, I am guessing you think welfare is a fine way to live your life. Sounds like it. Understand this. I OWE YOU NOT A FUCKING THING. Nor does anyone else here.
Lol, look at all your crazy, spilling out on my internets! Listen up. I run my own business. And I work in health care. I still work in health care partially because the costs of being a sole-proprietor and buying my own insurance are prohibitive, even though I run a successful business. I am intimately aware of how much health care costs. You don't owe me a thing, and I wouldn't take anything from you even if you did. I built something from nothing, and I'm not some elitist who "screens their clients carefully". I don't dehumanize people into trailer trash. I don't claim I'm exceptional. It should be evident to anyone who knows me whether I'm good at what I do or not. I don't need to shout it on a blog.
I have nurses in my family, I have nurses and nursing students as friends, I hang out at bars with people who run respite care facilities. I know what I'm talking about. I hear their stories every week. I know the truth. You run a limo company. What do you know about health care?
Your rhetoric is tired, your exceptionalism is skin deep. So yes, the nightmare will pass, and I'll get what I deserve, which is a break on my premiums.
The welfare crack and the "I DON'T OWE YOU WEHHHHHH" line, that's what tells me you're exactly what I think you are: a blind, panicked tribalist, who sees no need for critical thinking.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:13:55pm |
re: #1182 LudwigVanQuixote
Only there is no hyperbole in stating that Western religious systems call for caring for the poor. That is just a fact.
And my church does with 8 different outreach ministries covering local and world wide. Food bank, Care for seniors, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Soup Kitchen etc. I'm just not wild about the government doing it. Jesus didn't task the Romans with the job.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:13:58pm |
re: #1183 windsagio
Okay then. Believe it's not true. But don't go around posting that its definitive bullshit.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:14:06pm |
re: #1112 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey Ludwig, you've got access to a university library, yes? See if they have this book, you might enjoy it. You can see much of it there in Google Books, if you prefer.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:14:15pm |
re: #1185 Spare O'Lake
A freaking enormous irony bomb just blew up the entirity of the city you live in, centered on you.
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Irenicum Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:14:26pm |
re: #1173 Cato the Elder
Now I have an image of Father Mulcahey from MASH in my head. Thanks Cato!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:15:29pm |
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Irenicum Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:15:35pm |
re: #1173 Cato the Elder
And you ever do come up to the Cape or even nearby, stop by and say hi.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:15:46pm |
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keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:15:54pm |
re: #1177 goddamnedfrank
I'm looking for rich people to fund my research into making very tiny camels capable of fitting through the eyes of needles.
The 'eye of the needle' is actually a sort of arched doorway thing that camels could get through, but just barely, one at a time, and they had to duck their heads, though scholars are not of one mind on this.
I just about dropped my monocle into my foi gras when I read that.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:15:54pm |
re: #992 LudwigVanQuixote
1. Sorry, for thinking you were a he in the last post.
2. Most organized religions would call that view evil.
3. All functioning ethical systems would call that view un workable, since the entire point of society is to band together to care for all members.
4. All you have said is that you are selfish and unabashedly so. So if , G-d forbid you and your husband faced a bad turn of the wheel, would you "lump it" when others sad what you are saying now to you?
1. Not a problem, we are on computers.
2. I do not believe in organized religion. Never have. I DO believe in God, however.
3. I have no issue with helping. I have issues with folks thinking they are owed something without earning it. That they are entitled to someone else's earnings because they have more.
4. I am the least selfish person on the planet.
And yes, we would make the best of it. No one lives forever. When time is up, it is up.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:16:23pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:16:36pm |
re: #1156 Cato the Elder
Or let me ask you another question, CC.
I love driving, I'm extremely good at it, and fine cars give me pleasurable goosebumps.
I'm also unemployed and believe in working for a living. I love the Cape, and New England in general, and even have friends who would probably put me up in Harwich, and definitely some who would put me up in Salem, NH, until I found a place of my own.
So would you offer me a job driving Fords and letting me work my way up to Bentleys? I'll even trim my goatee.
I'll drive this ford any day, over any Rolls, any bentley: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I'd take an RS200 over twenty Bentleys. Bloated heavy cars? Lame and wasteful. Give me something light that moves any day.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:16:51pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:17:20pm |
re: #1188 rwdflynavy
And my church does with 8 different outreach ministries covering local and world wide. Food bank, Care for seniors, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Soup Kitchen etc. I'm just not wild about the government doing it. Jesus didn't task the Romans with the job.
Perhaps, but I seem to think he was pretty clear about their ultimate reward for not taking up the task.
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solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:17:43pm |
re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote
If the parent is not present then what else should be done?
Not present, ever?
Besides , I'd be willing to bet those messages in my earlier comment have been received countless times in the life of every child for many years now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:17:58pm |
re: #1188 rwdflynavy
And my church does with 8 different outreach ministries covering local and world wide. Food bank, Care for seniors, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Soup Kitchen etc. I'm just not wild about the government doing it. Jesus didn't task the Romans with the job.
The Romans were goddamn occupiers. Just saying.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:18:00pm |
re: #1185 Spare O'Lake
You can hate the behavior without drooling your venomous hatred for the person.
You'd have made your point much better had you omitted the word "drooling". It was snarky and served no purpose.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:18:16pm |
re: #1200 windsagio
No, we get the point. It's just a stupid one.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:18:17pm |
re: #1034 austin_blue
Food stamps, WIC, housing subsidies, and direct welfare payments make up less than 4% of the US budget.
In other words, 4% of your taxes.
Medicaid and CHIP? Those would be healthcare costs for the indigent. twenty percent.
Would you like to rethink your position there, Cape Coddah?
Nope.
| 1210 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:18:47pm |
re: #1205 solomonpanting
Not present, ever?
Besides , I'd be willing to bet those messages in my earlier comment have been received countless times in the life of every child for many years now.
You are dodging the point and you know it. I should not need to explain the plight of lower class single mothers to you or that it is real.
| 1211 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:19:04pm |
re: #1197 The Sanity Inspector
Psst! CapeCoddah is a fem-unit.
Yes, I see that now. Normally, I'm pretty good about guessing gender based on rhetorical style. And all that pride in her cars...note to self: don't stereotype people based on their passions.
| 1212 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:19:05pm |
re: #1157 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah that one that says feed the hungry, clothe the naked and uphold the rights of the widow and the orphan.
Indeed. I am sure people like you would want to make that go away.
It is a philosophy that says that you have a moral responsibility to others.
The question of "am I my brother's keeper" gets an entire book to answer that yes,. yes you are whether you like it or not.
I've done more than you, I'd bet my past fortunes on it...you are dreaming up this bizarre scenario that people like me don't care about others to elevate your own insecurities and suddenly pious status you made for yourself...you live in your own dreamworld where you are special and the rest of us are not...it's quite comical..outside of my formal check cutting to souplines, charities, and foodbanks, and Native American charities...I've bought cars for people, paid for funerals, helped build a health clinic and a library in Jamaica...paid for vacations to Disney World and a rash of other impulsive stuff...you believe in God?...then he is my witness, I made tons of money for years and gave one hell of alot of it away...stick to your string cheese theory and blog bullying...as far as I'm concerned, you don't even count
| 1213 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:19:11pm |
re: #1179 TheMatrix31
Because you have a hard time believing someone takes such pride and care in their work and livelihood? Some people actually do this, that's why they're successful.
Yeah, they take pride in weeding out the "trailer trash." What a nice lady! I bet she's just so lovely and graceful.
I don't brag about how amazing and exceptional I am on the internet. Because that's what stupid, nasty, arrogant people do. And every so often when they do so, they're lying.
| 1214 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:19:12pm |
re: #1206 SanFranciscoZionist
The Romans were goddamn
occupiers.destroyers Just saying.
| 1215 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:19:25pm |
re: #1203 LudwigVanQuixote
Perhaps, but I seem to think he was pretty clear about their ultimate reward for not taking up the task.
No argument here. I just prefer to work through my church, we do a better job than the government.
| 1216 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:19:31pm |
| 1217 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:20:04pm |
re: #1185 Spare O'Lake
You can hate the behaviour without drooling your venomous hatred for the person.
The only people drooling here are the one's arguing no responsibility for others. And yes, people like that should be despised.
| 1218 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:20:08pm |
re: #1182 LudwigVanQuixote
Only there is no hyperbole in stating that Western religious systems call for caring for the poor. That is just a fact.
True. But links shut them up on all manner of subjects. I have decided that when I see idiocy here (and this Board was established as anti-idiotarian) I will simply post facts that refute the idiocy. When I see idiot comments, I will simply down-ding the idiot post, if I don't want to spare the time and effort of tracking down those links.
Unless I get into the Single Malts, which turns me into an Idiot Irish half-breed.
In that case, I will apologize the next day for being an idiot.
| 1219 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:20:09pm |
re: #1191 windsagio
A freaking enormous irony bomb just blew up the entirity of the city you live in, centered on you.
What took you so long?
| 1220 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:20:13pm |
re: #1213 WindUpBird
Yeah, they take pride in weeding out the "trailer trash." What a nice lady! I bet she's just so lovely and graceful.
I don't brag about how amazing and exceptional I am on the internet. Because that's what stupid, nasty, arrogant people do. And every so often when they do so, they're lying.
I think you are amazing and exceptional WUB!!
| 1221 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:20:50pm |
re: #1192 Irenicum
Now I have an image of Father Mulcahey from MASH in my head. Thanks Cato!
Father Mulcahey helped turn this thought-he-was-an-atheist boy who was raised by wolves and Unitarians into a Catholic. Straight-up truth.
| 1222 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:21:04pm |
re: #1213 WindUpBird
I would weed out trailer trash too. It's not a positive business image.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:21:17pm |
re: #1216 darthstar
My Smart car is easier to park.
You do not have a Smart car.
Do you?
I saw one the other day, driving around town.
It looked like a death just waiting to happen.
| 1225 |
prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:21:38pm |
re: #1201 WindUpBird
Hi, WUB, I hope you are well tonight. I was wondering if it wouldn't comprise your anonymity, if you could post some shots of your work.
I understand completely if no.
Thanks for your contributions to this board.
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KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:21:39pm |
re: #1188 rwdflynavy
And my church does with 8 different outreach ministries covering local and world wide. Food bank, Care for seniors, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Soup Kitchen etc. I'm just not wild about the government doing it. Jesus didn't task the Romans with the job.
This is more in line with my thinking. Lots of people here talk about using govt to enforce an individual religious mandate to care for the poor. They are separate things, separate issues.
| 1228 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:22pm |
ADL chairman speaks out against argument that Israel endangers US soldiers.
US Vice President Joe Biden was quoted by Yediot Aharonot last week as telling Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in an angry exchange over the Ramat Shlomo incident, that “this is starting to get dangerous for us.”
“What you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan,” Biden was quoted as saying. “That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”
On Saturday, the Foreign Policy magazine Web site ran a story saying that the commander of the US Central Command, Gen. David Petraeus, sent a briefing team to the Pentagon at the beginning of the year “with a stark warning: America’s relationship with Israel is important, but not as important as the lives of America’s soldiers.”
And on Sunday, ABC News senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper asked US President Barack Obama’s top aide David Axelrod twice whether “Israel’s intransigence on the housing issue put the lives of US troops at risk.”
Axelrod said he wouldn’t put it in those terms.
“This is probably one of the most serious charges that we have ever heard,” Foxman said.
“Israel is a country that has never asked American soldiers, even in its darkest moment, to risk its lives to defend it. From time to time there have been suggestions of security pacts, where the US would have to come to Israel’s aid, and all the leaders of Israel have said that the last thing they would want is for US soldiers to risk their lives to defend Israelis,” he said.
The charge that supporting Israel endangers US soldiers, Foxman said, comes from the “linkage fantasy,” a point of view that “if you just resolve this conflict, everything else will fall into place: Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, America’s war with fundamentalist Islam.”
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:34pm |
re: #1226 KingKenrod
This is more in line with my thinking. Lots of people here talk about using govt to enforce an individual religious mandate to care for the poor. They are separate things, separate issues.
Almost like there should be a separation of church and state activities....
| 1230 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:35pm |
re: #1215 rwdflynavy
No argument here. I just prefer to work through my church, we do a better job than the government.
Yep. It's what I prefer also.
Or just do things on my own.
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Irenicum Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:39pm |
Last semester I took a class focused on Biblical Global Justice. It was taught by an Episcopal priest and an incredibly godly man. We started with the Ancient Near East and then proceeded to read through the Hebrew texts, the NT texts, and then saw how that was expressed throughout church history. And we didn't flinch from the dark ugly periods of religious persecution that has been with us from the beginning. But one thing that was constant was the prophetic voice that always spoke out against the injustices of the ruling authorities and for the most despised among the community. I am extremely grateful for that tradition and I hope , in some small way, that I can reflect that same attitude and action. It's made the world a better place than it otherwise would have been without question.
| 1232 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:50pm |
re: #1216 darthstar
My Smart car is easier to park.
The Smart is cool for being so small and well engineered, but I need more room (for work stuff) and more power (because I'm a leadfoot, hah)
| 1233 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:53pm |
re: #1207 Dark_Falcon
You'd have made your point much better had you omitted the word "drooling". It was snarky and served no purpose.
I too have drooled. Why just this morning I drooled when someone mentioned powdered mini donuts.
| 1234 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:22:58pm |
re: #1211 darthstar
Yes, I see that now. Normally, I'm pretty good about guessing gender based on rhetorical style. And all that pride in her cars...note to self: don't stereotype people based on their passions.
I was in love with Decatur Deb for months until the ugly truth was revealed. Why did he do that to me, man?
| 1235 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:23:10pm |
re: #1225 prairiefire
Hi, WUB, I hope you are well tonight. I was wondering if it wouldn't comprise your anonymity, if you could post some shots of your work.
I understand completely if no.
Thanks for your contributions to this board.
click on my nick!
| 1236 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:23:19pm |
re: #1230 reine.de.tout
Shame on you two for not doing things through the gracious, amazing government!
| 1237 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:23:24pm |
re: #1223 reine.de.tout
You do not have a Smart car.
Do you?
I saw one the other day, driving around town.
It looked like a death just waiting to happen.
| 1238 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:23:36pm |
re: #1213 WindUpBird
Yeah, they take pride in weeding out the "trailer trash." What a nice lady! I bet she's just so lovely and graceful.
I don't brag about how amazing and exceptional I am on the internet. Because that's what stupid, nasty, arrogant people do. And every so often when they do so, they're lying.
I thought about using "CHEVY_SUX_FORD_4X4_BIG_DICK_69" as an internet handle, but it was already taken.
| 1239 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:23:40pm |
re: #1212 albusteve
Stevo, this is bullshit. I do not know from the web what you have and have not done. However I do know from the web that you are opposed to the efforts of others doing more. The evidence is not in your favor here.
If you truly were so ok with giving a little more yourself, it seems likely you would not have a reflexive aversion to people giving more.
As to thinking that I am somehow falsely religious, well that is an impressive display of delusion on your part.
I have never claimed to be perfect. In fact by the standards of my religion, my temper is my largest flaw. However, even Tzaddikim would have a hard time not becoming furious at the likes of you.
| 1240 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:24:09pm |
re: #1223 reine.de.tout
It's like gun ownership - just don't crash the darn thing ;-)
They have phoenominal mileage, get the tweaks and they go like stink between traffic lights, and the people who own them know they are not particularly freeway vehicles.
Nice little car around town - a prang at town speeds 15-30mph won't kill ya in one of them :-)
| 1241 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:24:13pm |
| 1242 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:25:07pm |
re: #1232 WindUpBird
The Smart is cool for being so small and well engineered, but I need more room (for work stuff) and more power (because I'm a leadfoot, hah)
It pops up to 85mph on the freeway quite nicely (for three cylinders and 70bhp)...I can fit a set of golf clubs and two dogs in it, too! At the same time! But yeah, it's not the most practical car, but it is a work of art. ;)
| 1243 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:25:38pm |
re: #1218 austin_blue
True. But links shut them up on all manner of subjects. I have decided that when I see idiocy here (and this Board was established as anti-idiotarian) I will simply post facts that refute the idiocy. When I see idiot comments, I will simply down-ding the idiot post, if I don't want to spare the time and effort of tracking down those links.
Unless I get into the Single Malts, which turns me into an Idiot Irish half-breed.
In that case, I will apologize the next day for being an idiot.
Really links shut them up... And just how many AGW links to established papers have I posted. Just how many lionks on the real numbers about health care have been posted?
Does that really shut them up. No.
They pretend it does not exist.
My conversation here today was in pointing out egg - massive egg on the faces of people proven wrong six ways till Sunday on several key points. Yet, where was the acknowledgement of the facts?
They will ignore your links as it they never existed.
| 1244 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:26:00pm |
| 1245 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:26:12pm |
re: #1230 reine.de.tout
local churches can not create a pool deep enough to cover the prescription drugs, dental and optical appointments needed by those without healthcare.
The only organ that can is the Gov't, either directly or indircetly through provision of care or compulsion against firms who would deny it.
Adam Smith had a rule - projects man can not do alone are a role for the Govt. No communist firebrand he.
| 1246 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:26:32pm |
re: #1223 reine.de.tout
You do not have a Smart car.
Do you?
I saw one the other day, driving around town.
It looked like a death just waiting to happen.
They have been on the roads in Europe for many years now without resulting in more fatalities than average. As someone with poor depth perception, I would love to drive one for parallel parking purposes...plus, it provides a handy excuse for not picking up people at the airport!
| 1247 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:26:34pm |
re: #1235 WindUpBird
click on my nick!
Speaking of which, I'm going to add some new stuff to that photobucket, it needs more of the weird.
| 1248 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:26:44pm |
re: #1114 Cato the Elder
Curiouser and curiouser.
In the interest of toning down the rhetoric here, explain to me, then, how you tell a wild-eyed, wild-haired, overweight, scruffy-looking, old-clothes-wearing, out-of-work translator like me from trailer trash.
I mean, let's say I come into your office unannounced, incognito, like Zeus dressed in rags testing someone's hospitality to strangers.
Do you go by the beard? The clothes? Let's say my bank account is fine (for the moment) and my credit rating not half bad. Do you make a home visit? Give me a literacy test?
And then suppose I fail, and reveal my true Olympian identity? Will you take it back and offer me the best Bentley in the fleet?
Religion - at least any religion I've ever been interested in calling my own - teaches us to see the poor scruffy bum who would be happy if someone thought he was trailer trash as a potential messenger from God, or the messiah, or an alter Christus. Some of them live right here in my scruffy-ass neighborhood, and you know what? When you get past the scary looks and, yes, sometimes the smell, they all have interesting stories to tell.
And sometimes I give them rides in my leather-seated Lincoln.
LOL, the only time I am out of ragged jeans and t-shirts is when I am in uniform. I would talk to you, interview you. I would tell you you gotta get a haircut and a shave before you meet John.
I would give you my special driving test in the limo, then we go from there. I do not judge on looks, as I can be found under the cars as often as I am behind the wheel. I am usually a friggin mess. And if I hire you, you drive it all. We all do. Though my drivers club is small, also. We have no turnover in drivers, which the clients love. But, come on down for the summer, I will give you a shot.
| 1249 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:27:16pm |
re: #1239 LudwigVanQuixote
Stevo, this is bullshit. I do not know from the web what you have and have not done. However I do know from the web that you are opposed to the efforts of others doing more. The evidence is not in your favor here.
If you truly were so ok with giving a little more yourself, it seems likely you would not have a reflexive aversion to people giving more.
As to thinking that I am somehow falsely religious, well that is an impressive display of delusion on your part.
I have never claimed to be perfect. In fact by the standards of my religion, my temper is my largest flaw. However, even Tzaddikim would have a hard time not becoming furious at the likes of you.
I am opposed to excessive taxation...stupidly you cannot see the difference...you are meme oriented, like a robot...and further i could care less about your religion...if it somehow made you smarter or more open minded I'd consider it's value...but I don't see it
| 1250 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:27:27pm |
re: #1223 reine.de.tout
You do not have a Smart car.
Do you?
I saw one the other day, driving around town.
It looked like a death just waiting to happen.
| 1251 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:27:28pm |
re: #1223 reine.de.tout
You do not have a Smart car.
Do you?
I saw one the other day, driving around town.
It looked like a death just waiting to happen.
Better than the little scooters that have become popular in Baltimore. There seems to be a loophole that lets riders of vehicles under a certain cc-limit omit to wear helmets.
The scariest thing I saw regarding Smaht Cahs was driving in the rain on I-90 out in Western Massachusetts. Guy was slip-streaming behind an eighteen-wheeler because his widdle engine couldn't work up the steam to pass it.
As I passed him, in the Lincoln, he gave me such a look of angry terror as I'd never seen before. It made me hurt for him.
| 1253 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:28:03pm |
re: #1251 Cato the Elder
they also don't need licenses or insurance, at least out here.
| 1254 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:28:13pm |
re: #1238 darthstar
I thought about using "CHEVY_SUX_FORD_4X4_BIG_DICK_69" as an internet handle, but it was already taken.
hahahaha oh god domestic car forums are really something. :D I went onto a bunch of Pontiac GTO boards because I was entertaining the idea of buying one (the new one, not the classic, they're a great deal for the power), and they're all just nothing but MUSTANG GT VERSUS GTO YUOR CAR SUXXOR LOL LIVE AXLE
| 1255 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:28:23pm |
re: #1246 bratwurst
They have been on the roads in Europe for many years now without resulting in more fatalities than average. As someone with poor depth perception, I would love to drive one for parallel parking purposes...plus, it provides a handy excuse for not picking up people at the airport!
Smart car at 70mph versus concrete abutment.
| 1257 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:28:51pm |
re: #1228 Killgore Trout
ADL chairman speaks out against argument that Israel endangers US soldiers.
I'm glad the ADL gave Biden a smacking for that dumb line. He was very inappropriate there.
| 1258 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:28:54pm |
re: #1255 darthstar
Smart car at 70mph versus concrete abutment.
[Video]
Rather not click on that. Really.
| 1259 |
prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:13pm |
re: #1234 Cato the Elder
Papa Decatur rocks. I told my mom I might an honest to goodness, working man leftie on the Internet. They are as rare as hen's teeth around here.
| 1260 |
solomonpanting Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:18pm |
re: #127 LudwigVanQuixote
You are dodging the point and you know it. I should not need to explain the plight of lower class single mothers to you or that it is real.
No, the point is that those messages are everywhere.
Lack of education leads to many health problems because people just don't get the correlation between their actions and their health.
So then it's impossible for children to learn these things when they become teenagers and young adults. They just don't have the capacity to learn and change.
| 1261 |
darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:27pm |
| 1262 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:41pm |
Thanks a lot Lizardkind, you kept me up way past my bed time again!
Great discussion, keep it classy. As LVQ said, we all have very important things to say.
I learn a bunch each time, usually after my blood pressure starts to taper back to normal range.
| 1263 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:47pm |
re: #1243 LudwigVanQuixote
I can also testify that links do not shut people up-- and in many cases, providing them with the links and facts that refute them is responded to immediately with something like "fuck you", an attack on your source, or an attack on your person. "You're not an American!!!" "Are you a policy analyst for some government?" or the like.
But really a combination of strategies is called for as is high flexibility and adaptability. Always, always good to bring the links-- and sometimes an asshole who makes repeated personal attacks in response to reality's liberal bias (wah! wah!) needs to be called just that, an asshole.
| 1264 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:55pm |
| 1265 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:29:57pm |
re: #1255 darthstar
it's a miracle a none Brabus tuned smart reached 70.
it's a city car - city speed limits are at most 30mph in town centers.
| 1266 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:30:08pm |
re: #1113 darthstar
Hey, as long as you accept his kid, you can bite the heads off babies and still make it into heaven.
| 1267 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:30:35pm |
re: #1218 austin_blue
True. But links shut them up on all manner of subjects. I have decided that when I see idiocy here (and this Board was established as anti-idiotarian) I will simply post facts that refute the idiocy. When I see idiot comments, I will simply down-ding the idiot post, if I don't want to spare the time and effort of tracking down those links.
Unless I get into the Single Malts, which turns me into an Idiot Irish half-breed.
In that case, I will apologize the next day for being an idiot.
Facts are hard to dispute, but can usually be countered by digging into the details...difficult to do in a forum like this. Easier to yell.
For instance, infant mortality figures are high in the US, but we count our live births differently, and we attempt to save more preemies than other places (a sign we have an advanced medical system) ...but since I don't have a fact link to give you, you'll just have to trust me. :)
| 1268 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:30:45pm |
re: #1223 reine.de.tout
You do not have a Smart car.
Do you?
I saw one the other day, driving around town.
It looked like a death just waiting to happen.
Don't go to Europe, they're everywhere there! Same with Fiat Albarths, Renault Clops, Ford Kas... city cars are the rule of the day.
I'm curious if my car (2005 VW GTI, basically a golf with a big turbo) counts as a death waiting to happen. ;-)
| 1269 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:30:52pm |
| 1270 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:01pm |
re: #1202 CapeCoddah
No fear, I will not worry myself a bit.
Glad ye've calmed doon, hen - ye seemed tae be gettin a wee bit melty roon the heid there furra bit.
| 1271 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:07pm |
re: #1249 albusteve
I am opposed to excessive taxation...stupidly you cannot see the difference...you are meme oriented, like a robot...and further i could care less about your religion...if it somehow made you smarter or more open minded I'd consider it's value...but I don't see it
You have made it very clear that you could care less about the values of my religion - which in this case are the same values of all major religions.
However, if you truly could care less about it, then you would not care if I were pious or not.
As to it making me better than you... Well, I figure that any code that makes people care about others and not spout selfish, callous, ignorant and stupid things like you do, makes them better than you.
Better than you as people.
Better than you morally.
Better than you period.
| 1272 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:09pm |
re: #1229 rwdflynavy
Hey, how was your flight? Did you see that naval aviator quote I posted for you last night?
| 1273 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:27pm |
re: #1217 LudwigVanQuixote
The only people drooling here are the one's arguing no responsibility for others. And yes, people like that should be despised.
A necessary step preceding love is the elimination of hatred for others. Hatred gives birth to so many ills, including evil talk, the desire for bad to befall the hated one, delight in an enemy’s downfall. An enemy is defined as anyone to whom one has stopped talking for three days because of harbored animosity (see Sefer Chareidim, p. 103, no. 19)
| 1274 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:49pm |
re: #1261 darthstar
It's safe. Trust me.
It gets the high crash ratings! People don't realize the Smart is engineered by Mercedes.
Big doesn't always mean safer, guys!And small doesn't mean more dangerous. Things have changed a lot since the 60's.
| 1275 |
Joo-LiZ Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:51pm |
re: #1228 Killgore Trout
Max Boot did some digging on Commentary
That didn’t ring true to me, so I asked a military officer who is familiar with the briefing in question and with Petraeus’s thinking on the issue to clarify matters. He told me that Perry’s item was “incorrect.” In the first place, Petraeus never recommended shifting the Palestinian territories to Centcom’s purview from European Command, as claimed by Perry. Nor did Petraeus belittle George Mitchell, whom he holds in high regard. All that happened, this officer told me, is that there was a “staff-officer briefing … on the situation in the West Bank, because that situation is a concern that Centcom hears in the Arab world all the time. Nothing more than that.”
Point being -- while Israel came up with Petraeus, the Foreign Policy piece was just sensationalizing the situation.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:31:57pm |
re: #1265 wozzablog
it's a miracle a none Brabus tuned smart reached 70.
it's a city car - city speed limits are at most 30mph in town centers.
I'll agree it's a bit sketchy on the freeway when there's a strong cross-wind. But my wife had a tire blow out at 75mph a few months ago and was able to steer it safely off the highway. Still, I prefer driving it on surface streets overall...but as I live in the Santa Cruz mountains, some freeway driving is inevitable.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:32:03pm |
re: #1233 Spare O'Lake
I too have drooled. Why just this morning I drooled when someone mentioned powdered mini donuts.
That's a deflection, but a funny one (upding). Still, if you think Ludwig is out of line, simply say so. A insult simply makes it worse.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:32:22pm |
re: #1201 WindUpBird
I'll drive this ford any day, over any Rolls, any bentley: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I'd take an RS200 over twenty Bentleys. Bloated heavy cars? Lame and wasteful. Give me something light that moves any day.
It's OK, you reverse snob, I would still let you borrow my Lincoln... ;^)
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:33:10pm |
re: #1272 The Sanity Inspector
Hey, how was your flight? Did you see that naval aviator quote I posted for you last night?
Flight was great and bittersweet.
There was a fire truck waiting for my return. My junior officers hosed me down after I got out of the helo.
Missed your quote about Naval Aviators.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:33:27pm |
re: #1273 Spare O'Lake
A necessary step preceding love is the elimination of hatred for others. Hatred gives birth to so many ills, including evil talk, the desire for bad to befall the hated one, delight in an enemy’s downfall. An enemy is defined as anyone to whom one has stopped talking for three days because of harbored animosity (see Sefer Chareidim, p. 103, no. 19)
Interesting...
So what is your opinion then of the maxim that:
If one shows mercy to those who deserve justice they will ultimately be cruel to those who deserve mercy?
You do realize this is why Saul lost the throne right?
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:33:28pm |
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:33:43pm |
re: #1278 Cato the Elder
It's OK, you reverse snob, I would still let you borrow my Lincoln... ;^)
Poppa said, "Son, you're gonna drive me to drinkin'..."
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:34:10pm |
re: #1257 Dark_Falcon
I'm glad the ADL gave Biden a smacking for that dumb line. He was very inappropriate there.
It was interesting to read the ADL take on that. I hadn't really considered that angle on the situation. I was originally drawn to the article over the questionable blog reporting on Petraeus' comments (anonymous sources posted on a blog) but Biden does deserve a smack too. Unfortunately the wingnuts were smacking for slightly "off" reasons.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:34:30pm |
re: #1188 rwdflynavy
Jesus didn't task the Romans with the job.
re: #1203 LudwigVanQuixote
Perhaps, but I seem to think he was pretty clear about their ultimate reward for not taking up the task.
re: #1206 SanFranciscoZionist
The Romans were goddamn occupiers. Just saying.
Okay people, the really important thing to keep in mind is that the Aztecs can go fuck themselves.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:34:33pm |
re: #1278 Cato the Elder
It's OK, you reverse snob, I would still let you borrow my Lincoln... ;^)
Why, I have Hot Rod Lincoln (Rev Horton heat version) on my ipod at this very moment!
My dad drove an 80's Lincoln Continental for years. That weird red velvet plush interior that made it look like a boudoir, and power everything. I'd screw with him by changing the digital speedo to Kilometers per hour, then watch him drive way under the speed limit :D
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:34:48pm |
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:19pm |
re: #1286 WindUpBird
Was it lincoln or mercury that had 'rich corinthian leather'?
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:19pm |
re: #1274 WindUpBird
And the steering-wheel mounted paddle-shifters make it feel sporty!
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:34pm |
re: #1271 LudwigVanQuixote
You have made it very clear that you could care less about the values of my religion - which in this case are the same values of all major religions.
However, if you truly could care less about it, then you would not care if I were pious or not.
As to it making me better than you... Well, I figure that any code that makes people care about others and not spout selfish, callous, ignorant and stupid things like you do, makes them better than you.
Better than you as people.
Better than you morally.
Better than you period.
it's a dead end...you should never have started this 'better than you' meme...obviously you have no clue and it sound silly because you yourself can be as ignorant and callous as anybody here...it's in the record you dork...you are simply spewing
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:38pm |
re: #1275 Joo-LiZ
Max Boot did some digging on Commentary
Point being -- while Israel came up with Petraeus, the Foreign Policy piece was just sensationalizing the situation.
Much thanks for posting that update. The story just didn't smell right to me. Makes much more sense now.
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:40pm |
re: #1267 KingKenrod
Did you notice my link above about how the mortality of our mothers in childbirth is much higher as well? That's not something that can be accounted for by the same statistical difference-- a difference, by the way, that I've never seen any proof of.
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Irenicum Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:42pm |
re: #1273 Spare O'Lake
Thank you for that quote. A good word delivered at the right time is like the right seasoning in the right dish. It can make the most plain meal taste better.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:50pm |
re: #1287 LudwigVanQuixote
String cheese theory?
Ahh I do love it when people so "educated" become cranky.
I have a theory...string cheese is damn addicting!!!!
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:35:58pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:36:02pm |
re: #1243 LudwigVanQuixote
Really links shut them up... And just how many AGW links to established papers have I posted. Just how many lionks on the real numbers about health care have been posted?
Does that really shut them up. No.
They pretend it does not exist.
My conversation here today was in pointing out egg - massive egg on the faces of people proven wrong six ways till Sunday on several key points. Yet, where was the acknowledgement of the facts?
They will ignore your links as it they never existed.
I know that, but at some point you've got to shake your head and admit that idiots will be idiots. Don't argue with them.
Simply post:
As Crusty the Clown says: "You sir, are an idiot."
I'm Viridian Green:
[Link: www.viridiandesign.org...]
I visited with Bruce and Jasmina last week and She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are scarfing down some food with them next week.
All I'm saying, LVQ, is that it useless to argue with fools.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:36:26pm |
re: #1290 albusteve
I dunno man, I remember the time you (in essence) said, "Global warming doesn't matter to me because I'll be dead."
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:36:45pm |
re: #1266 NJDhockeyfan
I honestly don't believe Dick is "saved." But hey, that's the story and if he is, then he, too, will be in heaven.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:37:06pm |
OK, really going to bed this time
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:37:06pm |
re: #1295 CapeCoddah
It was just a bit of good advice. I was thinkin' you might wanna tone it back a bit if you want to be convincing.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:37:08pm |
re: #1281 LudwigVanQuixote
Interesting...
So what is your opinion then of the maxim that:
If one shows mercy to those who deserve justice they will ultimately be cruel to those who deserve mercy?
You do realize this is why Saul lost the throne right?
The "enemy" in the text Spare was referring to is a rival or competitor, not a moral criminal who must be destroyed. "Rejoice not in your enemy's downfall" refers to schadenfreude for a competitor's failure. "When the wicked lose there is gladness" refers to moral criminals who are destroyed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:37:15pm |
re: #1282 wozzablog
depends who's driving...
the only real GTI's are the MK1&2
;-)
ahahaha I know I know. :D But mine's faster, and I think taking a MK1 on a 1500 mile road trip would turn my spine into goo. I wanted something small, fun, fast, and confortable on long trips.
(though if I had more space and a few extra grand, I wouldn't mind a MK1 with a VR6 swap >_> )
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:37:38pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:37:49pm |
re: #1245 wozzablog
local churches can not create a pool deep enough to cover the prescription drugs, dental and optical appointments needed by those without healthcare.
The only organ that can is the Gov't, either directly or indircetly through provision of care or compulsion against firms who would deny it.
Adam Smith had a rule - projects man can not do alone are a role for the Govt. No communist firebrand he.
You are correct about that; my issue is with this particular bill, as well as they way the whole thing has been handled by all parties from the get-go. What a freaking mess!
It's so broad, time needed to be taken, and care, to get it right. How can anyone follow what's going on with it right now? I tried the other day, and Iceweasel posted a good link, but I'm still confused about it, as well as the whole process being used right now to get this thing passed.
Back off, slow down, MAKE THE SALE - get it explained properly, calmly, not in a rush . . .
Then write the thing and pass it.
It's what should have happened from the beginning. But it didn't.
It's very difficult for me to understand this, partly because where I live, the uninsured, the under-insured, the indigent DO GET HEALTH CARE. They get hospital care, clinic care, dental, eye care, etc - through the State's "Charity Hospital System", which is the short name. And that system works well, apparently, without breaking the bank, apparently, because it's been in place for many many many years.
Instead of the federal government taking this on, why don't the feds mandate that each state devise and run its own program? Services could be better tailored to the specific needs of a state's population, could be provided more quickly, changes could be made quickly when circumstances dictated . . .
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:38:30pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:38:53pm |
re: #1289 darthstar
And the steering-wheel mounted paddle-shifters make it feel sporty!
As Clarkson calls them, 'Flappy paddle gearboxes!' I'm a traditionalist when it comes to transmissions, I
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:38:54pm |
re: #1214 HoosierHoops
The Romans were goddamn
occupiers.destroyersbuilders. Roman roads and buildings still all over the place in the EU. Just saying./blockquote>
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:39:28pm |
re: #1279 rwdflynavy
Flight was great and bittersweet.
There was a fire truck waiting for my return. My junior officers hosed me down after I got out of the helo.
Missed your quote about Naval Aviators.
Okay, hold on...click, clickety... Here's two of 'em: And thank you for your service.
**********
Yet once an aviator was in combat […] one found new doors, new
tests, coming up with a mad rapidity. Your first day in combat…your
first bombing run…first strafing run…the first time you're shot at…the
first time you see a SAM…which also means the first time you dive for
the deck straight into the maw of the flak cannons…the first time your
ship gets dinged by flak…and the first time you _see someone else_ in
your own formation blown out of the sky over the North-and in many
ways what an aviator saw with his own eyes was more terrible than the
sudden unseen things happening to himself.
For Dowd and Garth Flint this came one day during a bombing
run near the Iron Triangle. They were closing in on the target,
barreling through the eternal cloud cover, unable to see even the
ships in their own wing, when all at once a great livid ghost came
drifting across their path, from left to right. It was an F-4. It
had taken a direct hit, and smoke was pouring out of the cockpit. The
smoke enveloped the fuselage in the most ghostly fashion. The pilot
had cobbed it to starboard in a furious effort to reach the water, the
gulf, to try to bail out where Navy rescue planes could reach them.
In the blink of an eye the ghastly cartridge disappeared, swallowed up
by the clouds. They would never make it. Dowd and Flint plowed on to
the target, following their wing command, even though the gunners
below obviously had dead range on the formation. To have done
otherwise would have been unthinkable.
-- Tom Wolfe, "The Truest Sport: Jousting With Sam and
Charlie", 1975
**********
Flying close to the water, Abramson watched the whitecaps pass rapidly
beneath him. The war in the Pacific was a seducing war indeed. He
had gazed out over the miles upon miles of open water, which was deep
blue and spectacularly beautiful. He marveled at God's work in the
breathtaking beauty of the cloud formations that jutted into the sky.
It was hard to believe that a war was taking place. There were none
of the signs of war one might see on land, no shattered buildings or
bombed out villages. There were no craters and twisted railroad
tracks or burned vehicles pushed to the side of the road--lifeless
relics of earlier battles. There wer no fields with rows of white
crosses interspersed with Stars of David. There was just water, the
sun, and the crystal-clear majesty from 20,000 feet.
Even in aerial combat, he realized, the killing was sanitized. In a
small, cylinder-shaped space rising from the water to 15,000 feet,
aircraft would swirl and dive in a ballet of death. Planes and pilots
plunged inside this cylinder, often to their flaming deaths, but when
the dogfight was over, the area was again peaceful and serene--no
broken aircraft or bodies littering the battlefield--just the Pacific
Ocean in all its beauty.
-- Ronald J. Drez, Twenty-five Yards of War: The extraordinary courage
of ordinary men in World War II, 2001
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:39:37pm |
re: #1296 austin_blue
I know that, but at some point you've got to shake your head and admit that idiots will be idiots. Don't argue with them.
Simply post:
As Crusty the Clown says: "You sir, are an idiot."
I'm Viridian Green:
[Link: www.viridiandesign.org...]
I visited with Bruce and Jasmina last week and She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are scarfing down some food with them next week.
All I'm saying, LVQ, is that it useless to argue with fools.
Yet, sometimes the fools insist on arguing. I got that a lot while working for Sprint.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:39:41pm |
re: #1306 WindUpBird
As Clarkson calls them, 'Flappy paddle gearboxes!' I'm a traditionalist when it comes to transmissions, I
Damn, someone shot him midpost!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:39:44pm |
re: #1307 ryannon
The Romans were goddamnoccupiers.destroyersbuilders. Roman roads and buildings still all over the place in the EU. Just saying./blockquote>Yeah, they destroyed the Temple and built roads all the way back to Italy to cart off the loot.
//I'm not too sympathetic to the Romans...
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:39:46pm |
re: #1268 WindUpBird
Don't go to Europe, they're everywhere there! Same with Fiat Albarths, Renault Clops, Ford Kas... city cars are the rule of the day.
I'm curious if my car (2005 VW GTI, basically a golf with a big turbo) counts as a death waiting to happen. ;-)
The video of the Smart Car running into the concrete at 70 mph has me rethinking my impressions on that.
As to your car - I have no clue. You feel safe? Then whatever floats your boat is just fine and dandy.
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prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:39:46pm |
re: #1307 ryannon
Yes, I was going to mention bridges and roads, villas and baths.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:40:03pm |
re: #1304 reine.de.tout
Instead of the federal government taking this on, why don't the feds mandate that each state devise and run its own program? Services could be better tailored to the specific needs of a state's population, could be provided more quickly, changes could be made quickly when circumstances dictated . . .
The pool's too small. 50 pools to distribute risk doesn't make as much $$$ sense as one pool to distribute risk.
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keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:40:11pm |
re: #1297 windsagio
I dunno man, I remember the time you (in essence) said, "Global warming doesn't matter to me because I'll be dead."
I said that 3 times before lunch today. If you don't have a scepter in one hand and Harry Potter's wand in the other, it's ok to kid around. You can even be something less than deadly serious on the internet - if no one is looking.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:40:26pm |
re: #931 CapeCoddah
I am happy to pay taxes to help some folks who cannot help themselves, but that number is far, far fewer than the number currently on the dole. I will never join that club. Thanks anyway.
I hope, since you count me as a friend, that you would let me help you if you needed it.
I'll probably never have a lot of money, but I'm full of good (read: free) advice, and I'm an absolute fount of useless good-feeling and "chin-up, old gal" jokes and anecdotes.
And if you didn't let me help you, I would take it as a personal affront.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:40:49pm |
re: #1306 WindUpBird
As Clarkson calls them, 'Flappy paddle gearboxes!' I'm a traditionalist when it comes to transmissions, I
I FOUGHT MY WAY OFF HOLD
Anyway, I was going to say I just drive a manual. I like rowing gears. 8-)
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:07pm |
re: #1315 keloyd
Yup, yup he was kidding. You totally saw the interaction!
/that the best defense you can come up with?
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:07pm |
re: #1297 windsagio
I dunno man, I remember the time you (in essence) said, "Global warming doesn't matter to me because I'll be dead."
check out my post record on AGW...as to that statement, it's still true...I'm into solutions, not a continuous blatherfest about stats and science
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:08pm |
re: #1307 ryannon
The Romans were goddamn
occupiers.destroyersbuilders. Roman roads and buildings still all over the place in the EU. Just saying.
What have the Romans ever done for us?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:14pm |
re: #1314 WindUpBird
The pool's too small. 50 pools to distribute risk doesn't make as much $$$ sense as one pool to distribute risk.
Then - how are we managing to do it where I am?
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:18pm |
re: #1312 reine.de.tout
The video of the Smart Car running into the concrete at 70 mph has me rethinking my impressions on that.
As to your car - I have no clue. You feel safe? Then whatever floats your boat is just fine and dandy.
Of course, any car moving over 30 mph and coming to an abrupt halt will likely kill the occupants, as your organs are still moving 30mph when they hit your rib-cage.
| 1323 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:21pm |
re: #1277 Dark_Falcon
That's a deflection, but a funny one (upding). Still, if you think Ludwig is out of line, simply say so. A insult simply makes it worse.
Many a goal has been scored with a good deflection.
Glenn Hall knew that.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:49pm |
re: #1283 darthstar
Poppa said, "Son, you're gonna drive me to drinkin'..."
In my case, all I can say is Poppa tried...
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:53pm |
re: #1319 albusteve
And none of the solutions make sense. So, in my mind, whatever.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:41:57pm |
re: #1294 rwdflynavy
I have a theory...string cheese is damn addicting!!!
I'm never without the stuff myself...I'm addicted
| 1327 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:42:08pm |
re: #1319 albusteve
and that's still a selfish position. Thanks for tellking Keloyd you weren't joking tho :D
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:42:16pm |
re: #1304 reine.de.tout
the Obama plan - as it was initially envisioned was devilish in it's simplicity.
Clean up the anti-trust, allow coverage across borders and make coverage transferable.
The issue was that he also wanted a Public Option - an insurance plan people with no care, and small firms priced out elsewhere could buy into. It would then operate like any other plan - except it would not throw you off or deny you due to a pre-existing condition.
None of that was supported by Joe Lieberman's concience - and the entire myre we find ourselves in with hundreds of extra pages are tweaks around the edges that will enable as many people as possible to get into the System without a public option as possible.
It was not complicated to begin with.
| 1329 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:42:32pm |
re: #1259 prairiefire
Don't be too enthused--I've spent a lot of time in school and the DoD. But I'll be buried with my IUE union card.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:42:40pm |
re: #1322 darthstar
Of course, any car moving over 30 mph and coming to an abrupt halt will likely kill the occupants, as your organs are still moving 30mph when they hit your rib-cage.
sheesh.
Now you're gonna confuse me with all that scientific stuff.
:-)
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:43:50pm |
re: #1322 darthstar
Oh oh, at work this morning we had the news on, and they're now apparently starting to think the 'out of control car' case in CA the other day might have been a hoax.
| 1333 |
Digital Display Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:44:07pm |
re: #1280 Jimmah
He's insane in the M-brane.
I think it's exciting that the LHC could collapse 11 dimensions and bring us more data about String theory...
I am totally into the theory about the speed of light changing speeds...
I would be burned at the stake a few hundred years ago..
Think about it..When all the mass of the Universe was the size of a pencil head..How fast do you think light was? Heck..Think about a black hole...
If in fact the mass of everything started as a point..So did the speed of light start at zero..And sped up as mass dispersed.. The speed of light has changed in time and mass and that changes everything...
/I'm not sure what..But the idea is so cool..Light started out slow like the most huge black hole in history and got faster during expansion..And continues to get faster to this day...
| 1334 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:45:03pm |
re: #1312 reine.de.tout
The video of the Smart Car running into the concrete at 70 mph has me rethinking my impressions on that.
As to your car - I have no clue. You feel safe? Then whatever floats your boat is just fine and dandy.
Honestly, I'd rather be in a Smart in a freeway accident than an old boat from the 60's or 70's before they really got serious about stuff like air bags, crumple zones, reinforcement, and steering wheels that don't go through your body in a headon. ;-)
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:45:04pm |
re: #1161 iceweasel
They seem to do a lot to ensure that people can retain citizenship for forever generationally, anyway. 3 (foriegn born) generations is the cutoff though, unless someone in there is registering as citizens to maintain the continuity. But if you do that, you could in theory maintain citizenship indefinitely in your family, even if no one is born there or even visits there.
Yeah, I'm bummed. Oh well, whats done, or not done is done. No point in letting it get me down, I'm stuck here and that's that. :-)
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:45:35pm |
re: #1331 windsagio
Oh oh, at work this morning we had the news on, and they're now apparently starting to think the 'out of control car' case in CA the other day might have been a hoax.
Yep...that story was about as convincing as balloon-boy.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:45:59pm |
re: #1327 windsagio
and that's still a selfish position. Thanks for tellking Keloyd you weren't joking tho :D
you didn't read my blog record...you have a notion to pursue...go for it, means little to me
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:46:07pm |
re: #1328 wozzablog
the Obama plan - as it was initially envisioned was devilish in it's simplicity.
Clean up the anti-trust, allow coverage across borders and make coverage transferable.
The issue was that he also wanted a Public Option - an insurance plan people with no care, and small firms priced out elsewhere could buy into. It would then operate like any other plan - except it would not throw you off or deny you due to a pre-existing condition.
None of that was supported by Joe Lieberman's concience - and the entire myre we find ourselves in with hundreds of extra pages are tweaks around the edges that will enable as many people as possible to get into the System without a public option as possible.
It was not complicated to begin with.
They needed to figure out what they wanted to do, get all the tweaking done, then gone out and "made the sale", tweak a bit more depending on what they heard.
Right now it just looks to regular folks like the folks up in DC are chickens running around with their heads cut off - like they have no clue what's going on. It doesn't "show" well as far as giving people any confidence.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:46:11pm |
re: #1334 WindUpBird
I always remember, when I totaled our 68 tourino in HS, the telephone pole, displaced the engine by a full foot, but it was still running.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:46:26pm |
re: #1311 SanFranciscoZionist
You needn't feel singled out. They brought the big sandal down on everyone.
| 1341 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:46:36pm |
From CNN's lower third: 'Jewish lobby runs America'
CNN's practice of running viewers' Twitter feeds at the bottom of its screen put some jarringly raw anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiment on cable during an interview with Wolf Blitzer, a reader pointed out to me today, and the segment above illustrates.
As Wolf Blitzer and Rick Sanchez talked about the crisis in U.S. Israel relations, captions included, "Israel is greedy," and "Jewish lobby runs America."
The items are authentic replies to Sanchez's Twitter feed and come with attributions to their Twitter authors, but the source isn't immediately obvious to a viewer unfamiliar with the social network, and it's hard to imagine CNN intends to air conspiracy theories about the "Jewish lobby" (not even the "Israel lobby"!).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:46:39pm |
re: #1321 reine.de.tout
Then - how are we managing to do it where I am?
I'm saying it makes more sense to have one pool instead of 50. That doesn't mean it CAN'T be done, certainly. Just that it's less efficient. Probably also politically less efficient.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:46:43pm |
re: #1337 albusteve
to be honest, alot of your stuff I don't read :p
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:47:00pm |
re: #1339 windsagio
I always remember, when I totaled our 68 tourino in HS, the telephone pole, displaced the engine by a full foot, but it was still running.
Jesus God!
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ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:47:04pm |
re: #1331 windsagio
Oh oh, at work this morning we had the news on, and they're now apparently starting to think the 'out of control car' case in CA the other day might have been a hoax.
You mean there's no finger in the chili?
Oh noes!
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kingkenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:47:09pm |
re: #1292 Obdicut
Did you notice my link above about how the mortality of our mothers in childbirth is much higher as well? That's not something that can be accounted for by the same statistical difference-- a difference, by the way, that I've never seen any proof of.
I did read that. The article mentioned a few things different about the US culture. Doesn't the govt already cover pre-natal care for the poor? Could be a situation like SCHIP - the help is there, people just don't take advantage of it. That's an education problem as well.
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prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:47:27pm |
re: #1317 WindUpBird
"Guitarist" is fantastic, dude. I think I'm going to get a Tshirt, srsly. My friend who is an art teacher is going to love your stuff. Have you eve submitted anything to Heavy Metal?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:47:36pm |
re: #1340 The Sanity Inspector
You needn't feel singled out. They brought the big sandal down on everyone.
Yeah, but we hold a grudge!
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blueraven Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:47:56pm |
re: #929 KingKenrod
Besides polling only likely voters, what do they do that you feel biases their polls?
The way they phrase the questions. The strongly/somewhat models they employ. Nate Silver, who thinks Rasmussen is a good poll, also says, so far this year, they have a house effect of about 4-5 points to the Republican side.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:48:03pm |
re: #1344 WindUpBird
If I'd been going more than 35 (I fell asleep and the thing IDLED at 35) I'd probably be a cyborg now, with an ancient, giant, V8 where my chest used to be.
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:48:05pm |
re: #1341 NJDhockeyfan
I'm kinda split about that -- I mean, the hatred is out there on the net for anyone to see... why shouldn't CNN display it to the world.
CNN shouldn't get any flack for it.
On the other hand, it's still disturbing.
(Not that anything said is nearly as bad as other stuff I have read and seen)
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:48:17pm |
re: #1325 TheMatrix31
And none of the solutions make sense. So, in my mind, whatever.
AGW is dead...we need to go around the science, the money whores, and the disbelievers...it can be done if we change the perception of the problem
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:48:24pm |
re: #1334 WindUpBird
Honestly, I'd rather be in a Smart in a freeway accident than an old boat from the 60's or 70's before they really got serious about stuff like air bags, crumple zones, reinforcement, and steering wheels that don't go through your body in a headon. ;-)
I actually saw a video comparing the safety of a new car with one of those old tanks (like the one I learned to drive in). The passenger cabin in the older car was completely crushed - apparently they used to build cars to protect the engine, but today's standards are to ensure protection of the occupants.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:48:47pm |
Cato.. my nic is blue... I dont have OE... please e-mail me so I can e-mail you back. I can help you. Part time with me, and I have a lot of business connections here, I can get you FT summer work if you want it.
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:48:54pm |
re: #1249 albusteve
I am opposed to excessive taxation...stupidly you cannot see the difference...you are meme oriented, like a robot...and further i could care less about your religion...if it somehow made you smarter or more open minded I'd consider it's value...but I don't see it
re: #896 albusteve
how much is too much?...is there a limit to taxation that drooling liberals will admit to?...is worship of govt to lead the people a good thing?...does govt fraud and waste mean anything anymore?...will liberals continue to follow govt no matter where it goes or how much burden the cost is to taxpayers?...our collective health depends largely on what we consume...if the govt controls healthcare, should they also control what we ingest?...impossible?...are there limits to govt intrusion into regulating personal habits and lifestyle?...they won't let me smoke pot, but I can wreck my liver with alcohol...if I do will they replace it?...how far is too far?...or is there really no end, no line?
Gee, Steve, you never responded to my #950:
Gee, Steve when our deficit problems begin?
[Link: zfacts.com...]
When did they accelerate?
[Link: [Link: www.taxpolicycenter.org...]...]
I know, I know, those nasty old *facts* get in the way, don't they?
So, based on my new policy of dealing with idiots given that this site is anti-idiotarian, your recent post gets a down-ding! Kudos!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:49:14pm |
re: #1338 reine.de.tout
It was all worked out. It was meant to be fete accomplis.
A very loud noise machine started to complain about a government take over - the shceme i outlined - and some dem senators became chicken shit.
It was all ready to go. It was sold - 69% in a KAiser survey as late as last October supported the public option - it was a done deal.
An independent senator looking out for his own pockets and a couple of chickenshit Democrats had changes of heart.
It's singulalrly the biggest missed opportunity.
The Bill was ready, the votes were there - why it fell apart will be the subject of several dozen books.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:49:25pm |
re: #1342 WindUpBird
I'm saying it makes more sense to have one pool instead of 50. That doesn't mean it CAN'T be done, certainly. Just that it's less efficient. Probably also politically less efficient.
I don't know about politically.
But operationally - the feds are NOT more efficient at getting things done. Much more efficient to get them done at a local level.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:49:56pm |
re: #1357 wozzablog
change 'chickenshit' to 'bought and sold by the insurance industry' and I agree :P
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:50:06pm |
re: #1343 windsagio
to be honest, alot of your stuff I don't read :p
then you shouldn't comment on my positions regarding AGW
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:50:13pm |
re: #1281 LudwigVanQuixote
Interesting...
So what is your opinion then of the maxim that:
If one shows mercy to those who deserve justice they will ultimately be cruel to those who deserve mercy?
You do realize this is why Saul lost the throne right?
The maxim is true, but has no application here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:50:38pm |
re: #1347 prairiefire
"Guitarist" is fantastic, dude. I think I'm going to get a Tshirt, srsly. My friend who is an art teacher is going to love your stuff. Have you eve submitted anything to Heavy Metal?
Woot! I've never tried to order any merch off Photobucket, let me know how it looks :D and thanks, I haven't ever submitted to Hevay Metal because it's just so competitive, but I've gotten a bunch of stuff in print, mostly paper and dice game stuff. Most of the work I do is either stuff for individuals (more reliable than chasing print gigs for me) or video game sprites, when I have a project.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:51:23pm |
Okay, folks...I've had enough for one evening...catch you all on the flip side.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:51:34pm |
re: #1359 windsagio
i didn't want to appear anti-capitalist ;-)
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:51:38pm |
re: #1360 albusteve
and yet I do it anyways!
(no seriously, I read enough. The variety of your posts is shockingly low given their volume, thats why I don't need to read 'em all)
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:52:21pm |
re: #1364 wozzablog
damn socialist.
That's the real problem with the health care debate tho', corruption (or something so damn close it might as well be the same thing)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:52:45pm |
re: #1319 albusteve
check out my post record on AGW...as to that statement, it's still true...I'm into solutions, not a continuous blatherfest about stats and science
How many times has Ludwig proposed solutions? I've seen many such instances. He's talked about nuclear power, smart power grids. You've even participated when we discussed solar panels. So don't attack him based on "no solutions offered".
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:52:47pm |
re: #1356 austin_blue
re: #896 albusteve
how much is too much?...is there a limit to taxation that drooling liberals will admit to?...is worship of govt to lead the people a good thing?...does govt fraud and waste mean anything anymore?...will liberals continue to follow govt no matter where it goes or how much burden the cost is to taxpayers?...our collective health depends largely on what we consume...if the govt controls healthcare, should they also control what we ingest?...impossible?...are there limits to govt intrusion into regulating personal habits and lifestyle?...they won't let me smoke pot, but I can wreck my liver with alcohol...if I do will they replace it?...how far is too far?...or is there really no end, no line?
Gee, Steve, you never responded to my #950:
Gee, Steve when our deficit problems begin?
[Link: zfacts.com...]
When did they accelerate?
[Link: [Link: www.taxpolicycenter.org...]...]
I know, I know, those nasty old *facts* get in the way, don't they?
So, based on my new policy of dealing with idiots given that this site is anti-idiotarian, your recent post gets a down-ding! Kudos!
ouch!...I'm shattered...on the other hand you did not address my questions with your own point of view...I don't care about talking to a link
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:53:32pm |
Pelosi Calls All Female Democratic Members Into Meeting
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is asking all female Democratic Members to attend a hastily called meeting Wednesday morning but isn’t saying what the meeting is about.
Pelosi’s office sent an e-mail out Tuesday evening requesting that all female Democrats come to the Members-only meeting at 10 a.m.
An aide to one Democratic Member said Pelosi’s office said the topic of the meeting was “to be determined.”
The meeting comes as Democratic leaders enter the final stretch of health care reform — and as they scramble to address fractures in their Caucus over abortion and immigration provisions in the bill.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:53:59pm |
Looks like I missed a lot....
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:54:19pm |
re: #1357 wozzablog
It was all worked out. It was meant to be fete accomplis.
Fait accompli (OR faits accomplis).
But yes, and that's what I see as part of the problem. People approved of the IDEA of providing better access to health care. But they had no clue what that meant. No "sale" of the actual provisions was even attempted until the negative noise machine jumped into play.
The Bill was ready, the votes were there - why it fell apart will be the subject of several dozen books.
Yes, indeed
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:54:20pm |
re: #1358 reine.de.tout
I don't know about politically.
But operationally - the feds are NOT more efficient at getting things done. Much more efficient to get them done at a local level.
this is really too broad brush for me to argue with. But you're going to have a hard time convincing Medicare and Medicaid recipients that the structure for their vital programs should be chopped up into fifty pieces, all at the mercy of their individual state.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:54:35pm |
re: #1352 Joo-LiZ
I'm kinda split about that -- I mean, the hatred is out there on the net for anyone to see... why shouldn't CNN display it to the world.
CNN shouldn't get any flack for it.
On the other hand, it's still disturbing.
(Not that anything said is nearly as bad as other stuff I have read and seen)
Hate tweets should not be run on the crawl. Don't give crazies and haters a platform, it just emboldens them.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:54:38pm |
re: #1371 Stanley Sea
Alot of it was same ol', same ol'. I wouldn't feel bad :P
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:54:57pm |
re: #1364 wozzablog
i didn't want to appear anti-capitalist ;-)
I am pro-capitalist and anti-middleman-that-serves-no-purpose. :D
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:55:00pm |
re: #1315 keloyd
I said that 3 times before lunch today. If you don't have a scepter in one hand and Harry Potter's wand in the other, it's ok to kid around. You can even be something less than deadly serious on the internet - if no one is looking.
Emoticons and sarc tags replace the mockery/irony/tomfoolery inherent in the human voice.
It can be a major problem here for folks that don't use them. They were invented for a reason.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:55:06pm |
Regardless of our views of to what extent government should be involved in charitable giving, I'm sure no one here is a Sodomite in his or her personal life.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:55:15pm |
re: #1368 Dark_Falcon
How many times has Ludwig proposed solutions? I've seen many such instances. He's talked about nuclear power, smart power grids. You've even participated when we discussed solar panels. So don't attack him based on "no solutions offered".
I'm not attacking anybody...how did you come up with that?
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prairiefire Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:55:48pm |
re: #1371 Stanley Sea
Stanley, Hoops said the bracket for LGF wouldn't work cause of security/email issues. Sorry
Have a good night. Things are calming down around here as people fall over from exhaustion.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:55:55pm |
re: #1186 WindUpBird
Lol, look at all your crazy, spilling out on my internets! Listen up. I run my own business. And I work in health care. I still work in health care partially because the costs of being a sole-proprietor and buying my own insurance are prohibitive, even though I run a successful business. I am intimately aware of how much health care costs. You don't owe me a thing, and I wouldn't take anything from you even if you did. I built something from nothing, and I'm not some elitist who "screens their clients carefully". I don't dehumanize people into trailer trash. I don't claim I'm exceptional. It should be evident to anyone who knows me whether I'm good at what I do or not. I don't need to shout it on a blog.
I have nurses in my family, I have nurses and nursing students as friends, I hang out at bars with people who run respite care facilities. I know what I'm talking about. I hear their stories every week. I know the truth. You run a limo company. What do you know about health care?
Your rhetoric is tired, your exceptionalism is skin deep. So yes, the nightmare will pass, and I'll get what I deserve, which is a break on my premiums.
The welfare crack and the "I DON'T OWE YOU WEHHH" line, that's what tells me you're exactly what I think you are: a blind, panicked tribalist, who sees no need for critical thinking.
My grandmother is a nurse. Two of her sisters are nurses. My step mother is an ER trauma nurse. I have 92 cousins, on one side. We have nurses, doctors, lawyers, bums, limo company managers, chefs, housewives,househusbands, builders, business owners and garbage men, Ships Captains (just one of those at MMA) Teachers, bartenders, construction workers, prison guards, landscapers, an ex con ... I not as think as you dumb I am.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:55:57pm |
re: #1379 albusteve
He actually does read your posts and came to the natural conclusion? :D
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:56:03pm |
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Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:56:03pm |
Damn.
Death against all odds: Plane lands on SC beach, killing jogger who never knew what hit him
HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C. (AP) — Robert Gary Jones was a pharmaceutical salesman on a business trip, looking forward to getting home to celebrate his daughter's third birthday. He was enjoying a moment to himself on this resort island, jogging on the beach and listening to his iPod.
Officials say the Woodstock, Ga., man neither saw nor heard what struck him from behind Monday evening: A single-engine plane making an emergency landing...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:56:31pm |
re: #1375 windsagio
Alot of it was same ol', same ol'. I wouldn't feel bad :P
You know, I had a feeling. Some folks are still trying to solve all the problems, while everyone is complaining. Yep. Ha!!
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:56:36pm |
re: #1381 CapeCoddah
Guilty consciences are often suspicious :P
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:56:50pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:12pm |
re: #1373 WindUpBird
this is really too broad brush for me to argue with. But you're going to have a hard time convincing Medicare and Medicaid recipients that the structure for their vital programs should be chopped up into fifty pieces, all at the mercy of their individual state.
Medicaid actually already is. Different states have different provisions for coverage.
Medicare - that's something people pay taxes in order to receive, so I see it as a different sort of program than Medicaid.
Look - I worked for the State gov't here and had many dealings with the feds, both regionally and at the HQ level. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, seriously. A state can be much more responsive to conditions and situations than the feds will ever be able to be, they are just too big.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:14pm |
re: #1051 Jimmah
Huvny been thair since ah wiz a wean. Might take a wee trip ower their soon, but. Byrawiy - ah'm born an raised in Scoatland bit ah'm Irish by blood oan baith sides o' the family. ;-)
Sorry I'm late to reply. I was eatin me supper. You're makin me a bit homesick. I see pictures and yearn to go there but I just can't go right now. Maybe in the future....
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:31pm |
re: #1372 reine.de.tout
The sale was made during the election - Obama's key policy was healthcare reform that included a public option, he won, and (originally Daschle) and hewere going to just pass the damn thing.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:31pm |
re: #1380 prairiefire
Stanley, Hoops said the bracket for LGF wouldn't work cause of security/email issues. Sorry
Have a good night. Things are calming down around here as people fall over from exhaustion.
Waaah. I filled out my first one tonight at a friend's bar. Will get to work on the online ones tonight. Just look for Stanley Sea. Oh, and I will post if I'm lucky.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:33pm |
re: #1370 NJDhockeyfan
That sounds suspicious! Like when you're out at the restaurant or club, and all the women get up and go to the bathroom together.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:48pm |
re: #1370 NJDhockeyfan
Double, double, toil and trouble! Fire burn and cauldron bubble!
/sorry but Pelosi is something of a witch, so the coven metaphor works.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:57:52pm |
re: #1381 CapeCoddah
I might add also, that I can confirm everything he said, up to the point of not revealing personal information.
Who on here knows you personally, and can vouch for you?
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:58:01pm |
Is anyone else getting thrown back to the front page when you click the + sign?
This thread is about stretched to its limit.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:58:03pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:58:13pm |
Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.
--GK Chesterton, The Uses of Diversity, 1921
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:58:38pm |
re: #1394 windsagio
I might add also, that I can confirm everything he said, up to the point of not revealing personal information.
Who on here knows you personally, and can vouch for you?
I can
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:59:30pm |
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:59:51pm |
re: #1393 Dark_Falcon
Double, double, toil and trouble! Fire burn and cauldron bubble!
/sorry but Pelosi is something of a witch, so the coven metaphor works.
Oh she'd give witchiepoo a run for her money alright. She makes me growl with anger every time I see her or hear about her exploits. Grrrrr....
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:00:49pm |
re: #1388 reine.de.tout
50 new state agencies just won't work - they don't have the money to start up and the insurance fee's from the residents won't pay the bills in 50 seperate states while attaining the level of full coverage the Obama plan would have included.
Economy of scale - one national plan with affiliate doctors/imagers//hospitals, etc.
Local offices yes - but not 50 different letter heads, logos, policys and opt-outs.
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:00:50pm |
re: #1369 albusteve
ouch!...I'm shattered...on the other hand you did not address my questions with your own point of view...I don't care about talking to a link
That's because, based on the *facts*, my feelings are meaningless and your position is idiotic.
I suppose that is not something you are going to respond to, either.
As Curst the Clown says, "You sir, are an idiot."
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:01:18pm |
re: #1186 WindUpBird
. I don't claim I'm exceptional. It should be evident to anyone who knows me whether I'm good at what I do or not. I don't need to shout it on a blog.
I have nurses in my family, I have nurses and nursing students as friends, I hang out at bars with people who run respite care facilities. I know what I'm talking about. I hear their stories every week. I know the truth. You run a limo company. What do you know about health care?
That's some DELICIOUS irony.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:01:24pm |
re: #1201 WindUpBird
I'll drive this ford any day, over any Rolls, any bentley: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I'd take an RS200 over twenty Bentleys. Bloated heavy cars? Lame and wasteful. Give me something light that moves any day.
8MPG. Big, wasteful,tempramental beautiful hogs. And I get paid well to love them. And I enjoy every damned second of it.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:01:43pm |
re: #1399 windsagio
Touche' :p
Of course, you're probably full of crap, but that's okay too.
and your not?...hahaha!...the doofi are loose!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:01:52pm |
re: #1186 WindUpBird
Lol, look at all your crazy, spilling out on my internets! Listen up. I run my own business. And I work in health care. I still work in health care partially because the costs of being a sole-proprietor and buying my own insurance are prohibitive, even though I run a successful business. I am intimately aware of how much health care costs. You don't owe me a thing, and I wouldn't take anything from you even if you did. I built something from nothing, and I'm not some elitist who "screens their clients carefully". I don't dehumanize people into trailer trash. I don't claim I'm exceptional. It should be evident to anyone who knows me whether I'm good at what I do or not. I don't need to shout it on a blog.
I have nurses in my family, I have nurses and nursing students as friends, I hang out at bars with people who run respite care facilities. I know what I'm talking about. I hear their stories every week. I know the truth. You run a limo company. What do you know about health care?
Your rhetoric is tired, your exceptionalism is skin deep. So yes, the nightmare will pass, and I'll get what I deserve, which is a break on my premiums.
The welfare crack and the "I DON'T OWE YOU WEHHH" line, that's what tells me you're exactly what I think you are: a blind, panicked tribalist, who sees no need for critical thinking.
Oh WUB, this has made my night. Cheers.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:01:53pm |
re: #1390 wozzablog
The sale was made during the election - Obama's key policy was healthcare reform that included a public option, he won, and (originally Daschle) and hewere going to just pass the damn thing.
They sold the idea of healthcare reform -not the actual details. When I talk about "making the sale", it's the details I'm talking about.
The last job I had, we essentially wrote the employment law for state employees. People would be up at arms, "you need to do something about this!".
So we say, OK, we will.
Then we'd work out the details among our staff.
THEN we still had to go out and "make the sale", where the details were explained at great length, questions answered, etc.
All before we ever brought the thing up to be passed.
And that's what I think was missing from this.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:02:12pm |
I'm going to say goodnight all, I'm tired, been up since 5:30 am and I'm fading. Until next time my friends, goodnight and Keep Laughing! :-)
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Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:02:34pm |
CapeCoddah, if Cato drives your cars, don't let him install the wig wag lights. I heard he's merciless.
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windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:03:05pm |
re: #1405 albusteve
I swear to you on... well anything you want, that I am not.
The fact that I know WUB pretty well IRL isn't exactly a secret around here :p
/I suppose me telling him to log onto instant messsaging services on occasion could be part of a crazy plot tho'!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:03:09pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:03:20pm |
re: #1402 austin_blue
That's because, based on the *facts*, my feelings are meaningless and your position is idiotic.
I suppose that is not something you are going to respond to, either.
As Curst the Clown says, "You sir, are an idiot."
Ack! Crusty.
Now I'm an idiot.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:03:21pm |
re: #1394 windsagio
I might add also, that I can confirm everything he said, up to the point of not revealing personal information.
Who on here knows you personally, and can vouch for you?
No one is disbelieving WUB.
Have they?
I haven't seen anyone question the truth of what he says.
So - where did this come from?
| 1414 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:03:56pm |
re: #1410 windsagio
The fact that I know WUB pretty well IRL isn't exactly a secret around here :p
Well, that explains a lot.
| 1415 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:04:10pm |
re: #1402 austin_blue
That's because, based on the *facts*, my feelings are meaningless and your position is idiotic.
I suppose that is not something you are going to respond to, either.
As Curst the Clown says, "You sir, are an idiot."
I just posted my point of view...think what you want...but still, the question remains...how far are you willing to let govt intrude with taxes and laws?....you never answered, but nevertheless I don't consider you an idiot
| 1416 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:04:10pm |
| 1417 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:04:27pm |
re: #1204 windsagio
Aren't limos awful rides anyways?
Stretch limos suck, in all manner of ways, electrical being tops. Lincolns have air bag suspensions, though, sweet ride. Nowhere near a Bentley, though, my personal favorite.
| 1418 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:05:00pm |
re: #1413 reine.de.tout
I thought she (heh) said that she had 92 cousins that were nurses, and was doing a 'look I can play that game too!' Schtick. Looking back, I misread it.
| 1419 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:05:35pm |
| 1421 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:06:25pm |
re: #1413 reine.de.tout
No one is disbelieving WUB.
Have they?
I haven't seen anyone question the truth of what he says.
So - where did this come from?
it's a made up point of contention
| 1422 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:06:42pm |
re: #1381 CapeCoddah
My grandmother is a nurse. Two of her sisters are nurses. My step mother is an ER trauma nurse. I have 92 cousins, on one side. We have nurses, doctors, lawyers, bums, limo company managers, chefs, housewives,househusbands, builders, business owners and garbage men, Ships Captains (just one of those at MMA) Teachers, bartenders, construction workers, prison guards, landscapers, an ex con ... I not as think as you dumb I am.
And yet despite this panorama of diversity, you still repeat the same talking points that have been proven to be nonsense again and again, running around calling moderate health care reform a "nightmare" and busting out the most alarmist, bizarre rhetoric you can conceive of. A "nightmare"! You're so apocalyptic and over the top that it beggars belief.
I don't have 92 cousins. I have 4. More importantly, I talk at length every single week, almost every single day, about health care issues with career health care administrators and nurses. I buy them drinks, they buy me drinks, and they explain the grim ins and outs of the real biz. And they would laugh their nuts off at the goofy stuff you say.
What's that line they always say here? "You know the flak is the worst when you're over the target?" Your flak's pretty bad, and HCR is likely going to pass.
| 1423 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:06:43pm |
re: #1415 albusteve
I just posted my point of view...think what you want...but still, the question remains...how far are you willing to let govt intrude with taxes and laws?...you never answered, but nevertheless I don't consider you an idiot
How about enough for the utilities and the mortgage? We aren't even coming close to doing that now and the bill *will have to be paid*.
| 1424 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:06:44pm |
re: #1407 reine.de.tout
the bill was going to be left for congress - which was a massive mistake.
Howevere - he outlined the provisions of a Bill he would sign - anti trust, transportabillity and not throw outs. A public option for the underinsured and the uninsured and the uninsurable.
this Bill has had far greater scrutiny - and out right lying (not by you) to contend with that it's a quasi miracle the thing is still alive.
I still maintain though that enough of the detail wa laid out by Obama himselfover 6 months on the campaign trail - that the policy was settled and that the arguments about little things should have been settled in good faith. No good faith has existed in the GOP caucus in either house and very little good faith existed in certain "Democrats" who were notionally for it.
| 1425 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:06:59pm |
| 1426 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:07:09pm |
Those who've got it, don't want it.
Those that don't, or have an expensive, crappy as hell policy, do.
That's all folks.
| 1427 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:07:57pm |
re: #1419 albusteve
not really...we are all of the same nest
Steve - would you please send me an e-mail?
Click my avatar, use the addy there.
Thanks.
| 1428 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08:11pm |
re: #1333 HoosierHoops
It's awesome stuff. At the other extreme of scale - I just watched a programme about "dark flow" - they are reckoning now that some mass movements of galaxy clusters are due to forces in a neighbouring universe.
| 1429 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08:15pm |
| 1430 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08:30pm |
re: #1425 Dark_Falcon
Glad you're back. Just a mild skirmish right now.
Ah, is that what's going on.
*Prepares for a broadside*
Arg!
| 1431 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08:42pm |
I got a new stick deodorant today.
The instructions said: Remove cap and push up bottom.
I can barely walk, but whenever I fart the room smells lovely.
| 1432 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08:44pm |
re: #1355 CapeCoddah
Cato.. my nic is blue... I dont have OE... please e-mail me so I can e-mail you back. I can help you. Part time with me, and I have a lot of business connections here, I can get you FT summer work if you want it.
There's something wrong with the email program tonight.
My throwaway is [[catosenior]] [[at]] [[googleitbabymail]] [[.com]].
Delete oogleitbaby and you're there!
| 1433 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:09:24pm |
Best. Den. Meeting. Ever.
I wasn't in charge, of course, or it would have been lame-o.
One of the boys' dad is a corporate jet pilot, so he took us all out and let us go on the jet. And he told the boys how planes flew. And they got a balsa wood jet. And cookies. And doughnut holes.
(Just for the record, the best pack meeting ever was the one where they repeatedly smashed cream pies in my husbands' face. But that's just my perspective.)
| 1434 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:09:53pm |
re: #1418 windsagio
I thought she (heh) said that she had 92 cousins that were nurses, and was doing a 'look I can play that game too!' Schtick. Looking back, I misread it.
you did....you really need to sharpen if you need to have all these opinions about what people post...I'm happy that you see it now
| 1435 |
KingKenrod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:10:34pm |
re: #1350 blueraven
The way they phrase the questions. The strongly/somewhat models they employ. Nate Silver, who thinks Rasmussen is a good poll, also says, so far this year, they have a house effect of about 4-5 points to the Republican side.
I've seen biased poll questions, I'll keep an eye out for them at Rasmussens. I don't believe their presidential approval numbers are biased at all, and they show a clear negative trend. It's not the number level so much as the trend.
Someone posted a link earlier to an NBC/WSJ poll showing a 21% "enthusiasm" gap between GOP and Dem voters - in the GOP's favor.
| 1436 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:10:36pm |
re: #1434 albusteve
I'll admit that not even I am infallible.
And you have no idea how much it hurts me to type that :(
| 1437 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:10:56pm |
re: #1388 reine.de.tout
Medicaid actually already is. Different states have different provisions for coverage.
Medicare - that's something people pay taxes in order to receive, so I see it as a different sort of program than Medicaid.
Look - I worked for the State gov't here and had many dealings with the feds, both regionally and at the HQ level. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, seriously. A state can be much more responsive to conditions and situations than the feds will ever be able to be, they are just too big.
I think there's some room for states to administrate and tailor, but I don't want to see 50 different systems that can be carved up into 50 different nothings (look at how Oregon's health plan for the poor has been drained of resources to the point that its effectvely gone) based on the individual political whims of 50 different states, with 50 different pools that distribute risk 50 different ways, and punish states with small populations unfairly because they simply don't have a pool big enough to effectively distribute risk.
| 1438 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:11:15pm |
re: #1433 EmmmieG
Best. Den. Meeting. Ever.
I wasn't in charge, of course, or it would have been lame-o.
One of the boys' dad is a corporate jet pilot, so he took us all out and let us go on the jet. And he told the boys how planes flew. And they got a balsa wood jet. And cookies. And doughnut holes.
(Just for the record, the best pack meeting ever was the one where they repeatedly smashed cream pies in my husbands' face. But that's just my perspective.)
Um. That would be my husband's face. I only have one, and only intend to ever have one.
I shall be more careful with my apostrophes.
| 1439 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:11:18pm |
re: #1437 WindUpBird
administrate? Is that a word? oh well XD
| 1441 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:11:59pm |
re: #1270 Jimmah
Glad ye've calmed doon, hen - ye seemed tae be gettin a wee bit melty roon the heid there furra bit.
Nope, just fine, thanks.
| 1442 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:12:14pm |
re: #1439 WindUpBird
administrate? Is that a word? oh well XD
administrate
–verb (used with object),-trat·ed, -trat·ing.
to administer.
;)
| 1443 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:12:22pm |
re: #1430 Varek Raith
Ah, is that what's going on.
*Prepares for a broadside*
Arg!
Been interesting tonight. Charles is traveling so the thread is humungous.
| 1444 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:12:26pm |
re: #1414 TheMatrix31
Well, that explains a lot.
Yep, we're both disgusting liberals! we pee on your furniture, take a dump on your car and run howling off into the night to give you health care!
| 1445 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:12:54pm |
re: #1444 WindUpBird
I happen to know that you sometimes vomit on other peoples cars!
| 1447 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:13:22pm |
re: #1445 windsagio
On a sidenote, I'm actually substantially more liberal than WUB is.
| 1448 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:13:25pm |
Mideast Dispute Hits Jerusalem Streets
Hundreds of Palestinians clashed with Israeli police, and a special U.S. envoy delayed a peace-talks mission to the region amid tensions over planned construction in East Jerusalem.
The conflict also flared in Washington, as Republican and Democratic members of Congress pressed the Obama administration to tone down its criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government for its plan to build 1,600 homes in the disputed territory.
..."We are calling for the third Intifada to be sparked now,'' said spokesman Fawzi Barhoum of Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, referring to Palestinian uprisings against Israel.
Hello Hillary....you have a phone call to make.
| 1449 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:13:35pm |
re: #1445 windsagio
I happen to know that you sometimes vomit on other peoples cars!
I blame the jager! And your driving that night was atrocious :D
| 1451 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:14:15pm |
re: #1300 windsagio
It was just a bit of good advice. I was thinkin' you might wanna tone it back a bit if you want to be convincing.
No need to hold back truth. Sorry if it offends you. Wait, no, I am not.
| 1452 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:14:15pm |
| 1453 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:14:24pm |
| 1454 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:14:41pm |
re: #1439 WindUpBird
administrate? Is that a word? oh well XD
administer, I think you wanted.
administrate is the very commonly-made error.
| 1455 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:14:53pm |
| 1458 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:15:06pm |
re: #1449 WindUpBird
I blame the jager! And your driving that night was atrocious :D
Leave The Stones out of this! :D
| 1459 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:15:09pm |
re: #1423 austin_blue
How about enough for the utilities and the mortgage? We aren't even coming close to doing that now and the bill *will have to be paid*.
I realize the bill has to be paid..boy do I ever...but I want my money's worth...there are billions of dollars floating around, unaccounted for pork, favors, waste, that benefits a few...there is an argument that the feds are drowning in tax revenue...it's a huge goldmine, the biggest ever...there is more than enough to cover HCR getting divied up here and there
| 1460 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:15:42pm |
re: #1316 Cato the Elder
I hope, since you count me as a friend, that you would let me help you if you needed it.
I'll probably never have a lot of money, but I'm full of good (read: free) advice, and I'm an absolute fount of useless good-feeling and "chin-up, old gal" jokes and anecdotes.
And if you didn't let me help you, I would take it as a personal affront.
Come on by. You know how to get in touch with me...
| 1461 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:15:43pm |
| 1462 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:15:43pm |
re: #1444 WindUpBird
Yep, we're both disgusting liberals! we pee on your furniture, take a dump on your car and run howling off into the night to give you health care!
Goodgawd! The health care is one thing. I had no idea about the peeing, dumping, and howling. Dang pack o wolves.
| 1463 |
austin_blue Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:15:46pm |
Night, Lizards! Contract negotiations tomorrow.
(Jeez, Just kill me now.)
| 1465 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:16:10pm |
re: #1431 Silvergirl
I got a new stick deodorant today.
The instructions said: Remove cap and push up bottom.
I can barely walk, but whenever I fart the room smells lovely.
Be careful when you're tying your shoe laces.
| 1467 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:16:41pm |
| 1468 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:16:44pm |
re: #1452 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur.
yeah, dude, I'm so stupid I called you on the nonsense you said about how you "didn't want to pay for artists" even though it was transparently obvious that the subject was obviously about the portability of health insurance for entrepreneurs.
tell me again how BHO and Chavez are the same.
| 1469 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:16:48pm |
re: #1426 Stanley Sea
Those who've got it, don't want it.
Those that don't, or have an expensive, crappy as hell policy, do.
That's all folks.
A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul.
-- H. L. Mencken
And yes, I know...
A witty saying proves nothing.
-- Voltaire
| 1470 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:17:05pm |
| 1471 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:17:18pm |
re: #1448 NJDhockeyfan
Mideast Dispute Hits Jerusalem Streets
Hello Hillary...you have a phone call to make.
Typical. The Palis try to ratchet things up with a Rent-A-Mob. When in doubt, throw more young men into the meat grinder. Makes me sick.
| 1472 |
keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:17:19pm |
The real question to me is whether medical care is a 'public good' like military protection or the fire department. As a center-right Republican, my answer is "sorta."
Privatized fire departments were tried in the Roman Empire - no offense Cato, but they sucked.
The Japanese have socialized basic care, then a lively, efficient, well-regulated market for the extra stuff. If that's all we can afford, for now, we should do that - pretty much medicaid for basic stuff for all. Multi-hundred-thousand-dollar liver transplants? From the government? That will never work, like it or not.
| 1473 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:17:31pm |
re: #1466 Varek Raith
Long threads sure do get weird.
We've got half a pack of cigarettes, a full tank of gas, and it's um...some number of miles to Chicago.
Somebody help me out here? Too lazy to google it.
| 1474 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:17:53pm |
re: #1470 WindUpBird
You play as a GIRL in your twee fighting games! :D
That just shows his extreme straightness. Straight guys all want to be women so they can have more boobs to play with.
/well, sort of
| 1475 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:17:58pm |
I'm out before someone compares Barack Obama to Pol Pot, Ming The Merciless, the Beast from Krull, or Goliath from Knight Rider.
| 1476 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:18:04pm |
re: #1466 Varek Raith
Long threads sure do get weird.
When you start pulling on a thread, you never know where it will lead.
Could be a book to rival Dan Brown.
Keep pullin'.
| 1477 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:18:39pm |
re: #1473 EmmmieG
We've got half a pack of cigarettes, a full tank of gas, and it's um...some number of miles to Chicago.
Somebody help me out here? Too lazy to google it.
"...it's midnight, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
| 1478 |
Soap_Man Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:19:01pm |
re: #1473 EmmmieG
We've got half a pack of cigarettes, a full tank of gas, and it's um...some number of miles to Chicago.
Somebody help me out here? Too lazy to google it.
With what? The movie or the number of miles?
Anyway, it's Blues Brothers and 106.
| 1479 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:19:15pm |
re: #1427 reine.de.tout
Steve - would you please send me an e-mail?
Click my avatar, use the addy there.
Thanks.
done...are you gonna yell at me too?
| 1480 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:19:24pm |
re: #1475 WindUpBird
I'm out before someone compares Barack Obama to Pol Pot, Ming The Merciless, the Beast from Krull, or Goliath from Knight Rider.
Barack Obama is Pol Pot, Ming The Merciless, the Beast from Krull, and Goliath from Knight Ride.
That's to make you stay.
| 1481 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:19:25pm |
| 1482 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:20:09pm |
re: #1468 WindUpBird
yeah, dude, I'm so stupid I called you on the nonsense you said about how you "didn't want to pay for artists" even though it was transparently obvious that the subject was obviously about the portability of health insurance for entrepreneurs.
tell me again how BHO and Chavez are the same.
Your point was stupid. I don't think you, yourself, are stupid. And what I meant was that Obama and Chavez share worldviews in many regards. They clearly have differences and I did issue a clarifying post to that effect.
| 1483 |
Soap_Man Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:20:23pm |
re: #1475 WindUpBird
I'm out before someone compares Barack Obama to Pol Pot, Ming The Merciless, the Beast from Krull, or Goliath from Knight Rider.
Actually, I was thinking more like Carnage from Spiderman. But whatev's.
| 1484 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:20:59pm |
| 1485 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:21:07pm |
re: #1482 Dark_Falcon
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
| 1486 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:21:33pm |
re: #1483 Soap_Man
Actually, I was thinking more like Carnage from Spiderman. But whatev's.
No. It's quite clear that Obama is Dr. Doom.
| 1487 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:21:50pm |
re: #1485 windsagio
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
How so? I'm asking honestly, and I promise not to downding you.
| 1488 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:21:51pm |
re: #1484 CapeCoddah
you'll get there, I misread your post something fierce.
| 1489 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:22:24pm |
re: #1487 Dark_Falcon
You're nastier, more tribal, and more doctrinaire.
Still a sweetie sometimes, of course.
| 1490 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:22:56pm |
re: #1394 windsagio
I might add also, that I can confirm everything he said, up to the point of not revealing personal information.
Who on here knows you personally, and can vouch for you?
I will vouch for myself, thanks.
| 1491 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:23:08pm |
re: #1441 CapeCoddah
Nope, just fine, thanks.
Ah right ah goat ye noo - ye wur yazin the allcaps o' serenity earlier oan thair, in combinashun wi the ad hominums o trangkwility!
| 1492 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:23:29pm |
re: #1485 windsagio
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
dude, take a hint
| 1493 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:23:54pm |
re: #1491 Jimmah
Ah right ah goat ye noo - ye wur yazin the allcaps o' serenity earlier oan thair, in combinashun wi the ad hominums o trangkwility!
Matey, ye be 'avin too much ta drink!
| 1494 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:24:18pm |
re: #1485 windsagio
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
Are you serious?
Dark_Falcon? Toxic? If you could fault him for any change (I haven't noticed any), maybe it's because he's job hunting after a layoff.
| 1495 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:24:39pm |
Gunman tries to attack Lenin's corpse in Red Square
The man, named as Sergey Karpentsov, is quoted as saying he wanted to let loose a volley of bullets at Lenin's carefully embalmed corpse, one of the Russian capital's most popular and ghoulish tourist attractions.
"My main demand is the quick bulldozing of the mausoleum which contains the body of the anti-Christ," he said. "I wanted to open fire on the tomb with an assault rifle but I was advised not to do that in case the tomb is armour-plated."
"I have drawn attention to this issue with my actions," he added.
| 1496 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:24:51pm |
outskies for the nightskies... May the best truth narrative win.
| 1497 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:25:07pm |
re: #1435 KingKenrod
Someone posted a link earlier to an NBC/WSJ poll showing a 21% "enthusiasm" gap between GOP and Dem voters - in the GOP's favor.
That would be because the Dems in Congress seem to be idiots and unable to get things done without making a clusterfuck of it.
I voted for President Obama.
I voted for Democrats.
I want them to get shit done.
I want the damn senate bill passed.
I'm annoyed with Democrats at the moment....so yeah, not much enthusiasm.
| 1498 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:25:31pm |
re: #1489 windsagio
You're nastier, more tribal, and more doctrinaire.
Still a sweetie sometimes, of course.
It's partially stress. It's also that we're in the Red Zone on Health Care right now, and at times like this moderation retreats in the face of partisanship. It's a "stick with your party" type of thing. Perhaps I'm being too harsh, and I will look honestly at if I am.
| 1499 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:25:51pm |
re: #1409 Silvergirl
CapeCoddah, if Cato drives your cars, don't let him install the wig wag lights. I heard he's merciless.
LOL, No worries!
| 1500 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:25:52pm |
re: #1493 Varek Raith
Matey, ye be 'avin too much ta drink!
He has to drink - soon enough he has to face the Customs Agents at JFK. Being inarticulately hungover helps with the inane questions about "moral turpitude".
| 1501 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:26:12pm |
re: #1487 Dark_Falcon
How so? I'm asking honestly, and I promise not to downding you.
I'm not promising. He better be good to you or I've got the dinger set on stun.
| 1502 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:26:27pm |
re: #1497 webevintage
That would be because the Dems in Congress seem to be idiots and unable to get things done without making a clusterfuck of it.
I voted for President Obama.
I voted for Democrats.
I want them to get shit done.
I want the damn senate bill passed.I'm annoyed with Democrats at the moment...so yeah, not much enthusiasm.
Read Ezra Klein @ Wapo.
I have faith.
| 1503 |
Soap_Man Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:26:35pm |
re: #1498 Dark_Falcon
It's partially stress. It's also that we're in the Red Zone on Health Care right now, and at times like this moderation retreats in the face of partisanship. It's a "stick with your party" type of thing. Perhaps I'm being too harsh, and I will look honestly at if I am.
You're not. At least not that I've noticed.
| 1504 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:26:42pm |
re: #1485 windsagio
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
I have to disagree with you, and you know I love you windsagio. DF is just conservative, and all conservatives are a little rattled by HCR (not that he seems especially rattled, but there's been a general uptick in partisan sentiment this week.)
There are areas where you and I are not going to agree with DF, but he hasn't seemed to me to be at all unreasonable let alone toxic. He's always the first one calling for peace here too, pretty much.
Also, bear in mind that DF is jobhunting and has a lot going on in his personal life right now, so if he does get a little snappish (i haven't seen it myself) I would seriously cut him a break.
Just my two cents.
| 1505 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:26:53pm |
re: #1498 Dark_Falcon
It's partially stress. It's also that we're in the Red Zone on Health Care right now, and at times like this moderation retreats in the face of partisanship. It's a "stick with your party" type of thing. Perhaps I'm being too harsh, and I will look honestly at if I am.
Much respect for that post from someone who recently began calling Des Plaines home.
| 1506 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:10pm |
re: #1485 windsagio
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
You don't have to speculate: man lost his job, as he told us. That'll strain anyone's demeanor. Chip in some uplift for the dude, huh?
| 1507 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:20pm |
re: #1498 Dark_Falcon
Dude, when i arrived - you were pretty much high on ODS - you were called, looked into yourself and mellowed on the guy as a person, not on his policies always, but as a person you mellowed to him.
You've got it in you.
All my continued best.
| 1508 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:33pm |
| 1509 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:45pm |
re: #1500 Cato the Elder
He has to drink - soon enough he has to face the Customs Agents at JFK. Being inarticulately hungover helps with the inane questions about "moral turpitude".
That be makin' sense!
| 1510 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:50pm |
re: #1485 windsagio
dude, I woudln't want to speculate on what's caused it but your tone and attitude in general has become far more toxic over the last few weeks.
Yours, of course, has been just sweetness and light.
| 1511 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:54pm |
re: #1499 CapeCoddah
LOL, No worries!
I actually do have wig-wag lights installed on my private car. You wouldn't believe the Prius traffic jams - "after you, Alphonse - no, I insist, after you, Gaston" - that they've gotten me out of.
| 1512 |
MJ Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:27:59pm |
re: #1495 NJDhockeyfan
He was worried that the tomb was amour plated- but not if he killed some innocent bystander. And he thinks the dead guy is the anti-Christ?
| 1513 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:01pm |
re: #1497 webevintage
That would be because the Dems in Congress seem to be idiots and unable to get things done without making a clusterfuck of it.
I voted for President Obama.
I voted for Democrats.
I want them to get shit done.
I want the damn senate bill passed.I'm annoyed with Democrats at the moment...so yeah, not much enthusiasm.
Hope and change.
| 1514 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:18pm |
re: #1500 Cato the Elder
He has to drink - soon enough he has to face the Customs Agents at JFK. Being inarticulately hungover helps with the inane questions about "moral turpitude".
we know all the tricks eh?
| 1515 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:29pm |
This long thread just killed my firefox, but seamonkey is just handling it.
| 1516 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:35pm |
re: #1500 Cato the Elder
He has to drink - soon enough he has to face the Customs Agents at JFK. Being inarticulately hungover helps with the inane questions about "moral turpitude".
"Whaddaya talking 'bout? Min'ral spirits 'r cheaper, ya pig-eyed bastard! Three fingers of THAT and I'm where I need to be."
That's fine, sir. please step this way.
| 1517 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:48pm |
| 1518 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:50pm |
| 1519 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:28:57pm |
| 1521 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:29:49pm |
re: #1422 WindUpBird
And yet despite this panorama of diversity, you still repeat the same talking points that have been proven to be nonsense again and again, running around calling moderate health care reform a "nightmare" and busting out the most alarmist, bizarre rhetoric you can conceive of. A "nightmare"! You're so apocalyptic and over the top that it beggars belief.
I don't have 92 cousins. I have 4. More importantly, I talk at length every single week, almost every single day, about health care issues with career health care administrators and nurses. I buy them drinks, they buy me drinks, and they explain the grim ins and outs of the real biz. And they would laugh their nuts off at the goofy stuff you say.
What's that line they always say here? "You know the flak is the worst when you're over the target?" Your flak's pretty bad, and HCR is likely going to pass.
Martha Coakley is gonna win Ted Kennedy's seat, too. Wait...
| 1522 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:29:53pm |
| 1523 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:30:01pm |
re: #1493 Varek Raith
Matey, ye be 'avin too much ta drink!
But I've only had one can of Stella...lol
| 1524 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:30:40pm |
re: #1521 CapeCoddah
Martha Coakley is gonna win Ted Kennedy's seat, too. Wait...
You still on that? What did you think of Brown's vote on the Jobs bill?
| 1526 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:30:45pm |
re: #1511 Cato the Elder
I actually do have wig-wag lights installed on my private car. You wouldn't believe the Prius traffic jams - "after you, Alphonse - no, I insist, after you, Gaston" - that they've gotten me out of.
you pimp
| 1527 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:30:49pm |
re: #1429 Silvergirl
She hasn't ordered her personal jet yet.
Actually, looking into a helicopter now.
| 1528 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:31:37pm |
re: #1527 CapeCoddah
Actually, looking into a helicopter now.
A black one? With a perfectly quiet rotor system?
Neat. :)
| 1529 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:31:58pm |
| 1530 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:32:14pm |
| 1531 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:32:33pm |
re: #1528 Varek Raith
A black one? With a perfectly quiet rotor system?
Neat. :)
Got Zombie Ernest Borgnine on the ground crew.
| 1532 |
Soap_Man Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:32:39pm |
re: #1529 wozzablog
Eeeesh, so close to a down ding for admitting stella from a can...
;-)
They sell Stella in a can? That blows my mind!
| 1533 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:32:39pm |
re: #1432 Cato the Elder
Will do, Cato. Tomorrow. Getting late. gonna finish reading this and head to bed. Gotta be in Boston at 6:30am.
Damned 20 hour day on the road on my birthday.
| 1534 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:32:56pm |
re: #1513 TheMatrix31
Hope and change.
Honey, my hope was that John McCain would not be President (and dear god, Palin as VP) and my change was that the Republicans were no longer in charge.
So I got my hope and my change.
| 1535 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:33:05pm |
re: #1529 wozzablog
Eeeesh, so close to a down ding for admitting stella from a can...
;-)
Well, he said he'd been drinking; it explains it, even if it don't excuse it.
| 1536 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:33:07pm |
re: #1503 Soap_Man
You're not. At least not that I've noticed.
Nor I. Perhaps more overt about your political beliefs, since, as you say, we're in the Healthcare Zone. But not inappropriate in any way.
| 1537 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:33:28pm |
re: #1524 Stanley Sea
You still on that? What did you think of Brown's vote on the Jobs bill?
I am angry about it.
| 1538 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:33:40pm |
re: #1529 wozzablog
Eeeesh, so close to a down ding for admitting stella from a can...
;-)
Fine beer, but I just cannot fathom why it is always priced higher than other quality imports in the US.
| 1539 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:33:49pm |
re: #1533 CapeCoddah
Careful, long days like that is how you wind up asleep at the wheel.
| 1540 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:34:34pm |
re: #1538 bratwurst
They like to make it seem premium.
On tap and from bottles it's a decent enough beer, but canned kills it somehow.
| 1541 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:34:54pm |
re: #1534 webevintage
And evidently, that's not working out too well for you. Congratulations though.
| 1542 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:35:02pm |
I haven't noticed anything different about DF's posts...
| 1543 |
windsagio Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:35:34pm |
re: #1542 Varek Raith
please can we drop it? You guys are making me want to defend what I said, and there's simply no good way to do that :P
| 1544 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:35:50pm |
| 1546 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:36:04pm |
re: #1493 Varek Raith
Matey, ye be 'avin too much ta drink!
Why do people always associate lallans with being pished anyway? lol It's a perfectly cromulant langwidge, suitable for all levels of inebriation from utterly guttered all the way down to totally teetotal.
| 1547 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:36:12pm |
re: #1532 Soap_Man
They sell Stella in a can? That blows my mind!
Only in the old world AFIAK. As wozza points out, they are cultivating a premium image over here.
| 1548 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:36:16pm |
| 1550 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:36:27pm |
re: #1505 bratwurst
Much respect for that post from someone who recently began calling Des Plaines home.
You live in Des Plaines? Cool. Didn't know you lived in the Chicago area. If you wish to meet, let me know and I'll turn my nic blue for a bit.
| 1551 |
albusteve Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:36:38pm |
I'm out like Ernest Tubbs....
Cato, there is a herd of chola cactus yonder, waiting to teach you a lesson in high desert manners...and bring the Linc you coward
| 1552 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:36:44pm |
re: #1543 windsagio
please can we drop it? You guys are making me want to defend what I said, and there's simply no good way to do that :P
Okely dokely!
| 1553 |
keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:37:13pm |
re: #1531 Guanxi88
Got Zombie Ernest Borgnine on the ground crew.
That's pre-Zombie Borgnine. He revealed his secret to long life on a Fox and Friends light fluffy interview to some very red-faced hosts.
I dare any of you to look up what he does, regularly. Hint - it's not your first guess for a 93 year old man.
| 1554 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:37:24pm |
Shark Sweater for our cat overlords:
[Link: www.etsy.com...]
(no not anything I made, but really how awesome is that cat...in its shark sweater?)
| 1555 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:37:50pm |
re: #1549 Alouette
Dragon_Lady was about to answer Jimmahs language with Valley Girl speak. I talked her out of it the consequences for the hamsters may have been terrible!
:0>
| 1556 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:37:59pm |
re: #1512 MJ
He was worried that the tomb was amour plated- but not if he killed some innocent bystander. And he thinks the dead guy is the anti-Christ?
I hate to do anything because of crazy people with guns, but maybe this is a sign that it's time to bury Vladimir Ilyich for once and all?
| 1557 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:38:34pm |
re: #1491 Jimmah
Ah right ah goat ye noo - ye wur yazin the allcaps o' serenity earlier oan thair, in combinashun wi the ad hominums o trangkwility!
Crap.. you got me on that one. You win. Never paid that close attention to Ian.
| 1558 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:38:46pm |
re: #1553 keloyd
I saw that when it aired. Hilarious.
| 1559 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:38:47pm |
re: #1556 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to do anything because of crazy people with guns, but maybe this is a sign that it's time to bury Vladimir Ilyich for once and all?
Face down, under a privy. In Chernobyl.
| 1560 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:38:57pm |
re: #1521 CapeCoddah
Martha Coakley is gonna win Ted Kennedy's seat, too. Wait...
I just go with whatever Nate Silver says.
| 1561 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:03pm |
| 1562 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:08pm |
re: #1529 wozzablog
Eeeesh, so close to a down ding for admitting stella from a can...
;-)
Well unfortunately my flat lacks the particular amenity of the draught Stella dispenser :D
| 1563 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:13pm |
re: #1554 webevintage
Shark Sweater for our cat overlords:
[Link: www.etsy.com...](no not anything I made, but really how awesome is that cat...in its shark sweater?)
Sorry, those hairless cats are ugly as hell.
| 1564 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:24pm |
re: #1550 Dark_Falcon
You live in Des Plaines? Cool. Didn't know you lived in the Chicago area. If you wish to meet, let me know and I'll turn my nic blue for a bit.
Just moved here in January...turn blue and I will drop you a lineski.
| 1565 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:32pm |
re: #1556 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to do anything because of crazy people with guns, but maybe this is a sign that it's time to bury Vladimir Ilyich for once and all?
Actually, I would think this is kind of a fitting punishment.
You never get to rest. You never just get put in the ground.
| 1566 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:36pm |
re: #1546 Jimmah
Why do people always associate lallans with being pished anyway? lol It's a perfectly cromulant langwidge, suitable for all levels of inebriation from utterly guttered all the way down to totally teetotal.
Arg, me be thinkin' you 'ere a drunk pirate, matey!
| 1567 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:39:41pm |
| 1568 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:40:05pm |
re: #1559 Guanxi88
Face down, under a privy. In Chernobyl.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Then we'd get resurrected Zombie Lenin. Probably with superpowers.
No. No Chernobyl.
| 1569 |
Soap_Man Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:40:09pm |
Well folks, gotta bounce. I'm having minor surgery tomorrow and the hunger from fasting is driving me crazy.
I only mention the surgery because anesthesia freaks the hell out of me. I know it is completely irrational. I know the odds of a young healthy fella like myself not coming out of it are about the same as being struck by lightning.
But the whole thing gives me the creeps.
| 1570 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:40:32pm |
re: #1563 Stanley Sea
Sorry, those hairless cats are ugly as hell.
Yea but no horked up hairballs........
| 1571 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:40:37pm |
re: #1554 webevintage
Shark Sweater for our cat overlords:
[Link: www.etsy.com...](no not anything I made, but really how awesome is that cat...in its shark sweater?)
Looks like its almost hairless. Not a big fan of that in cats. Nothing wrong with hairless cats, but I prefer face fur in a cat.
| 1573 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:41:09pm |
re: #1569 Soap_Man
Well folks, gotta bounce. I'm having minor surgery tomorrow and the hunger from fasting is driving me crazy.
I only mention the surgery because anesthesia freaks the hell out of me. I know it is completely irrational. I know the odds of a young healthy fella like myself not coming out of it are about the same as being struck by lightning.
But the whole thing gives me the creeps.
Good luck and I totally understand I have a bit of an irrational fear about being put under too.
| 1574 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:41:12pm |
| 1575 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:41:24pm |
re: #1569 Soap_Man
It did me too. Be well, best wishes. You'll be fine.
| 1576 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:41:44pm |
re: #1569 Soap_Man
Heal fast. Come back tomorrow and tell us how it went.
| 1577 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:41:47pm |
re: #1568 EmmmieG
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Then we'd get resurrected Zombie Lenin. Probably with superpowers.
No. No Chernobyl.
you may be right - I hadn't considered the Zombification potential of the site.
Face down. under a privy. In Pyongyang.
Or as a touring exhibit in a sideshow for a Mexican circus. Trotsky's revenge.
| 1578 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:42:00pm |
re: #1511 Cato the Elder
I actually do have wig-wag lights installed on my private car. You wouldn't believe the Prius traffic jams - "after you, Alphonse - no, I insist, after you, Gaston" - that they've gotten me out of.
Absolutely NO wig-wags. Cops here are proprietary with their toys.
| 1579 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:42:20pm |
| 1580 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:42:29pm |
Hey all!
I haven't been around much the last day or so, so I don't know much. One thing I do know for certain is that these pups are not adorable or cute in any way.
Weather in my part of Chicagoland was beautius and wondermus!
How are you-all and why is this thread so long?
| 1581 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:42:47pm |
re: #1577 Guanxi88
you may be right - I hadn't considered the Zombification potential of the site.
Face down. under a privy. In Pyongyang.
Or as a touring exhibit in a sideshow for a Mexican circus. Trotsky's revenge.
One of our rival high school's drumline show uses superhero costumes for their costumes.
I got everybody but Kato and the Green Arrow.
16 years married to a geek.
| 1582 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #1569 Soap_Man
Well folks, gotta bounce. I'm having minor surgery tomorrow and the hunger from fasting is driving me crazy.
I only mention the surgery because anesthesia freaks the hell out of me. I know it is completely irrational. I know the odds of a young healthy fella like myself not coming out of it are about the same as being struck by lightning.
But the whole thing gives me the creeps.
You'll do fine. Sleep well and I wish you a swift recovery.
| 1583 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:42:59pm |
| 1584 |
Soap_Man Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:43:06pm |
| 1585 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:43:08pm |
| 1586 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:43:23pm |
re: #1530 albusteve
snort...
Wha...ye didna know Frank was a Baltimore lad?
Like John Waters. Like Eddie Poe.
We turn out preverts here like Lancaster County turns out sausage.
| 1587 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:43:29pm |
re: #1564 bratwurst
Just moved here in January...turn blue and I will drop you a lineski.
Here you go.
| 1588 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:43:43pm |
re: #1570 Mr Pancakes
Yea but no horked up hairballs...
Linking to IHOP, eh? Not only are you an obvious internationalist fellow traveler type, you are making me hungry as hell!
| 1589 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:43:45pm |
re: #1569 Soap_Man
Well folks, gotta bounce. I'm having minor surgery tomorrow and the hunger from fasting is driving me crazy.
I only mention the surgery because anesthesia freaks the hell out of me. I know it is completely irrational. I know the odds of a young healthy fella like myself not coming out of it are about the same as being struck by lightning.
But the whole thing gives me the creeps.
I am quite thankful for anesthesia. I don't want to know anything about what goes on in operating rooms when I am the patient. I find it quite interesting when I am not the patient.
| 1590 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:44:29pm |
re: #1566 Varek Raith
Arg, me be thinkin' you 'ere a drunk pirate, matey!
I've no idea where you are getting the pirate shit from! lol I think we need to start you off with the fundamentals - such as the alphabet:
[Link: www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk...]
| 1591 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:44:29pm |
| 1592 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:44:44pm |
OMG!
The cuteness is killing me.
The bats and the whole damn website.
Too, too much cute....
| 1593 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:44:49pm |
re: #1589 ggt
I am quite thankful for anesthesia. I don't want to know anything about what goes on in operating rooms when I am the patient. I find it quite interesting when I am not the patient.
Indeed. It's fun when the surgeons make cracks about somebody's body when you're not that body.
| 1594 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:45:15pm |
re: #1532 Soap_Man
They sell Stella in a can? That blows my mind!
The only Stella I know is the one Marlon Brando bellowed his lungs out for.
Young, buff Marlon Brando in a torn up wet t-shirt: "HEY STELLA!"
| 1595 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:45:28pm |
| 1596 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:45:30pm |
re: #1590 Jimmah
I've no idea where you are getting the pirate shit from! lol I think we need to start you off with the fundamentals - such as the alphabet:
[Link: www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk...]
Heh, I've been playing Tropico 2 lately. Arg!
Neat site.
:)
| 1597 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:46:24pm |
re: #1581 EmmmieG
One of our rival high school's drumline show uses superhero costumes for their costumes.
I got everybody but Kato and the Green Arrow.
16 years married to a geek.
Well, at least you've still got something to look forward to.
My Wifey wants to renew our vows - originally uttered in the Municipal Court in providence, RI - in Las Vegas, NV. If I can find a way to talk her out of it, I will, but right now it seems as if I'm going to get re-married by Elvis his own bad self, with two Greys as witnesses.
| 1598 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:46:30pm |
re: #1588 bratwurst
Linking to IHOP, eh? Not only are you an obvious internationalist fellow traveler type, you are making me hungry as hell!
Dude.... nothin better than a stack of pancakes with a bratwurst on the side. Screw you Jimmy Dean!
| 1599 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:46:42pm |
re: #1554 webevintage
Shark Sweater for our cat overlords:
[Link: www.etsy.com...](no not anything I made, but really how awesome is that cat...in its shark sweater?)
Pretty awesome. Does it come with fricking laser beams you can attach to the cat's head?
| 1600 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:47:09pm |
re: #1599 SanFranciscoZionist
Pretty awesome. Does it come with fricking laser beams you can attach to the cat's head?
What are you, nuts!
| 1601 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:47:14pm |
re: #1586 Cato the Elder
Wha...ye didna know Frank was a Baltimore lad?
Like John Waters. Like Eddie Poe.
We turn out preverts here like Lancaster County turns out sausage.
No, ya guys make geniuses; the pervs are just a nice little dividend.
| 1602 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:47:32pm |
re: #1553 keloyd
That's pre-Zombie Borgnine. He revealed his secret to long life on a Fox and Friends light fluffy interview to some very red-faced hosts.
I dare any of you to look up what he does, regularly. Hint - it's not your first guess for a 93 year old man.
Does this involve ingesting his own precious bodily fluids?
| 1603 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:48:11pm |
| 1604 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:48:29pm |
Sigh...FF always chokes on very long threads...
| 1607 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:48:52pm |
re: #1598 Mr Pancakes
Dude... nothin better than a stack of pancakes with a bratwurst on the side. Screw you Jimmy Dean!
Love it!
| 1608 |
keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:49:06pm |
re: #1602 ryannon
Does this involve ingesting his own precious bodily fluids?
ingesting? no
precious bodily fluids? yes
another hint - there are about ten thousand euphemisms for it.
| 1609 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:49:08pm |
Americans' Mistrust of Govt. Is Rational and Warranted, But Also Dangerous
"The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative," Winston Churchill once said.
The problem is "we're in the process of exhausting all the alternatives pretty quickly," says William Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
A recent CBS/NY Times poll showed only 19% of respondents say they trust the government "to do what is right all or most of the time," while 78% believed the government is run by special interests, not for the benefit of the people.
"If current levels of trust don't improve, I don't see how Americans can be persuaded to make sacrifices now for a better future," says Galston, a former adviser to President Bill Clinton. "We have a few years to get our fiscal house in order before things really get out of control in ways that will be hard to reel back - the early signs are not encouraging."
| 1610 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:49:17pm |
re: #1595 ggt
I tried to tell Soapman that I wish him an uneventful and forgetable surgery. It didn't work too well.
| 1611 |
Van Helsing Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:49:37pm |
re: #1586 Cato the Elder
Wha...ye didna know Frank was a Baltimore lad?
Like John Waters. Like Eddie Poe.
We turn out preverts here like Lancaster County turns out sausage.
Hard to believe it has been 17 years since he bit the big one...
| 1612 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:49:57pm |
re: #1569 Soap_Man
Well folks, gotta bounce. I'm having minor surgery tomorrow and the hunger from fasting is driving me crazy.
I only mention the surgery because anesthesia freaks the hell out of me. I know it is completely irrational. I know the odds of a young healthy fella like myself not coming out of it are about the same as being struck by lightning.
But the whole thing gives me the creeps.
Godspeed, Soap_Man.
Safe surgery, quick recovery. Enjoy the downtime.
| 1613 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:51:10pm |
re: #1599 SanFranciscoZionist
Pretty awesome. Does it come with fricking laser beams you can attach to the cat's head?
I want one million dollars....
| 1614 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:51:11pm |
What happened on the airplane today. Something about bad smells?
It wasn't me. I wasn't even near the airport today.
| 1615 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:52:04pm |
Goodnight all,, off for my four hours of sleep, and I need to wish hubby a happy birthday one more time in the next 10 minutes.
| 1616 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:52:07pm |
re: #1613 webevintage
I want one million dollars...
My Cat Overlord scoffs at your feeble attempt to use a superior being as a weapon. No human could handle such a weapon.
| 1617 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:52:27pm |
re: #1583 ryannon
That's what they all say...
[Video]
I see you beat me to that one.
Good to see another Brando fan.
| 1618 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:52:30pm |
re: #1598 Mr Pancakes
Dude... nothin better than a stack of pancakes with a bratwurst on the side. Screw you Jimmy Dean!
As Agent Cooper once said, nothing more magical than the moment the syrup meets the sausage. ;)
| 1619 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:52:42pm |
re: #1615 CapeCoddah
Goodnight all,, off for my four hours of sleep, and I need to wish hubby a happy birthday one more time in the next 10 minutes.
Only 10 minutes? Did I miss something?
| 1620 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:52:54pm |
re: #1609 NJDhockeyfan
Upding, but I'm not going to read that. I need to stay positive right now. If I worry too much, I won't be able to maintain focus. I've been way too negative, and that needs to change.
| 1621 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:53:30pm |
re: #1491 Jimmah
Ah right ah goat ye noo - ye wur yazin the allcaps o' serenity earlier oan thair, in combinashun wi the ad hominums o trangkwility!
You know, if I weren't already madly in love with you I would fall for you just for coming up with 'allcaps of serenity' and 'ad hominems of tranquility', ma canny laddie.
| 1622 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:53:37pm |
re: #1620 Dark_Falcon
DF, imho, you're cool
| 1623 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:54:20pm |
re: #1284 Killgore Trout
I was originally drawn to the article over the questionable blog reporting on Petraeus' comments
While Foreign Policy may have exaggerated Gen. Petraeus' presentation, Commentary Magazine seems to be overdoing the downplaying of his views.
Today, Gen Petraeus did put something into the public record on the subject, in his written statement to the Armed Services Committee:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Under the section on "cross-cutting issues that serve as major drivers of instability, inter-state tensions, and conflict" within the CENTCOM AOR he lists "Insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace" first.
This is the paragraph that follows:
The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the AOR. Israeli-Palestinian tensions often flare into violence and large-scale armed confrontations. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the AOR and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas.
| 1624 |
webevintage Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:54:40pm |
re: #1599 SanFranciscoZionist
Pretty awesome. Does it come with fricking laser beams you can attach to the cat's head?
dr. evil
| 1625 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:54:41pm |
re: #1619 ggt
Only 10 minutes? Did I miss something?
LOL, no, Hubby's b-day today, mine tomorrow. Funnily enough, neither of us has ever forgotten each others birthday!
| 1626 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:54:53pm |
Do we actually have three couples on simultaneously, or am I miscounting one of those?
| 1627 |
Bagua Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:55:05pm |
| 1628 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:55:14pm |
I'm thinking Soap_Man is done. Sad really. Soap_Man, we barely knew ye...
| 1630 |
Van Helsing Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:55:35pm |
re: #1609 NJDhockeyfan
Americans' Mistrust of Govt. Is Rational and Warranted, But Also Dangerous
That's a helluva headline.
Rational and warranted - so the government has given us good reason to feel that way...
And dangerous. To whom? The government that is giving us cause to mistrust them?
Couldn't be.
| 1631 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:56:23pm |
re: #1621 iceweasel
You know, if I weren't already madly in love with you I would fall for you just for coming up with 'allcaps of serenity' and 'ad hominems of tranquility', ma canny laddie.
[Video]
Hwouston, Trangkwility Base here. The Weagle has wanded.
/
| 1633 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:57:39pm |
re: #1629 Varek Raith
Group hug everyone.........
| 1634 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:58:56pm |
re: #1608 keloyd
ingesting? no
precious bodily fluids? yes
another hint - there are about ten thousand euphemisms for it.
He buggers himself?
I really don't have a clue here.
| 1635 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:59:12pm |
| 1636 |
Bagua Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:59:13pm |
Bagua's Music Break™
This thread has over 1600 posts, I humbly nominate the following as the thread anthem.
Kibba You Mouth
- Admiral Tibbett
| 1637 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:59:52pm |
| 1638 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:00:14pm |
re: #1590 Jimmah
I've no idea where you are getting the pirate shit from! lol I think we need to start you off with the fundamentals - such as the alphabet:
[Link: www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk...]
Heh-- this site is awesome, Jimmah sent it to me to help me understand lallans, lol. Pretty damned funny.
| 1639 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:00:35pm |
| 1640 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:01:25pm |
Hmmm, I wonder what ever became of this...
I keep wondering what kind of dumbosity people associated with the Texas Board of Education can come up with next, and I keep being surprised at the depths of teh stoopid. And this time it’s not creationism!
It’s NASA. According to Houston Chronicle blogger Eric Berger, there’s a proposal to remove Neil Armstrong’s name from social studies textbooks.
Yes, you read that correctly. The proposal was suggested by teachers and parents reviewing materials, because Armstrong "is not a scientist".
Wha wha whaaaa?
I could argue that technically that’s correct, since Armstrong’s an engineer, which is different than a research scientist. Still, he did do some modicum of science when he walked on the frakking Moon. I think maybe he should be given the benefit of the doubt on this one*
Plus, his foot was the first planted on another world, and maybe we’re not being too tough on students to know that. And the irony that this is Texas! They have a big city there called Houston which has some NASA ties, as in "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed."
So, to the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills review team, this one’s for you:
| 1641 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:01:59pm |
re: #1639 bratwurst
Not until I get my short stack, dammit!
You didn't get it?
Re-sending "shortstack.zip" to user:bratwurst
| 1643 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:04:03pm |
In case you missed it. We have a very scientific person flounce downstairs.
| 1644 |
keloyd Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:04:52pm |
re: #1634 ryannon
He buggers himself?
I really don't have a clue here.
YUP! He is master of his domain. One of the cute blonde female type reporters asked him what keeps him so young and vigorous. He leans over, then in a loud whisper that carries really well, says "I ma________ a lot!" Then half the people go red-faced, the other half are howling with laughter, and they cut to commercial.
If some of you thought that was a bit off color, I'm sorry and here is a picture of an avalanche today on Mars
| 1645 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:05:58pm |
re: #357 Cato the Elder
My most favorite melancholy song evah, by the great Jacques Brel, also singing about a flat place, "Le plat pays."
Unfinished business here.
Avec la mer du Nord pour dernier terrain vague
Et des vagues de dunes pour arrêter les vagues
Et de vagues rochers que les marées dépassent
Et qui ont à jamais le cœur à marée basse
Avec infiniment de brumes à venir
Avec le vent de l'est écoutez-le tenir
Le plat pays qui est le mien
Avec des cathédrales pour uniques montagnes
Et de noirs clochers comme mâts de cocagne
Où des diables en pierre décrochent les nuages
Avec le fil des jours pour unique voyage
Et des chemins de pluie pour unique bonsoir
Avec le vent d'ouest écoutez-le vouloir
Le plat pays qui est le mienAvec un ciel si bas qu'un canal s'est perdu
Avec un ciel si bas qu'il fait l'humilité
Avec un ciel si gris qu'un canal s'est pendu
Avec un ciel si gris qu'il faut lui pardonner
Avec le vent du nord qui vient s'écarteler
Avec le vent du nord écoutez-le craquer
Le plat pays qui est le mienAvec de l'Italie qui descendrait l'Escaut
Avec Frida la Blonde quand elle devient Margot
Quand les fils de novembre nous reviennent en mai
Quand la plaine est fumante et tremble sous juillet
Quand le vent est au rire quand le vent est au blé
Quand le vent est au sud écoutez-le chanter
Le plat pays qui est le mien
Them's the lyricks.
A poet, a true poet, who happened to play a good guitar and have an ear for music. Jacques Brel.
Any of you Lizards who speak Fwench (it's no longer something to be ashamed of!) maybe could might supply me with a decent Englishing?
| 1646 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:06:00pm |
re: #1641 Mr Pancakes
You didn't get it?
Re-sending "shortstack.zip" to user:bratwurst
Would it kill you to heat up the syrup?
| 1647 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:07:03pm |
re: #1643 Gus 802
In case you missed it. We have a very scientific person flounce downstairs.
Heh. Saw that. Time to break this out.
| 1648 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:08:36pm |
| 1649 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:09:12pm |
re: #1643 Gus 802
In case you missed it. We have a very scientific person flounce downstairs.
As a scientifical person, I can say the he is not scientifical.
Or some such.
167!
;)
| 1650 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:09:39pm |
re: #1645 Cato the Elder
With the North Sea as a last wasteland,
and waves of dunes to stop the waves,
and hidden rocks which the tides overrun
and whose hearts forever remain at low ebb...
With an infinity of mists to come...
When the wind is from the East,
listen how it fights -
this flat land of mine...
With cathedrals for sole mountains,
and black church-steeples for may-poles,
where devils of stone grope for the clouds...
With the succession of days as its only journey
and rain-drenched roads as its only goodnight...
When the wind is from the West,
listen how it pines -
this flat land of mine...
With a sky so low that a canal has got lost,
with a sky so low that it fakes humility,
with a sky so grey that a canal has hanged himself,
with a sky so grey that he must be forgiven...
When the Northern gales come blasting down...
When the wind is from the North...
listen how it creaks -
this flat land of mine...
With a touch of Italy flowing down the Schelde,
when Frieda the Fair turns into Margot
when the sons of November return to us in May,
when the plains smoke and tremble under July,
when the wind is to laughter, when the wind is to wheat,
when the wind is from the South,
listen how it sings -
this flat land of mine...
| 1651 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:09:43pm |
re: #1629 Varek Raith
Quite concur.
(I would have been on that faster, but this thread's length is not good for FF)
| 1652 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:09:45pm |
| 1653 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:10:14pm |
re: #1643 Gus 802
In case you missed it. We have a very scientific person flounce downstairs.
Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm scientifically hunting wabbits!
| 1654 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:10:35pm |
re: #1643 Gus 802
In case you missed it. We have a very scientific person flounce downstairs.
Good. Nice fresh troll meat. I'll get the troll into the freezer and we'll grill it up tomorrow.
| 1655 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:11:01pm |
re: #1653 Cato the Elder
Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm scientifically hunting wabbits!
With my new wabbit way gun!
/
| 1656 |
ryannon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:11:19pm |
re: #1608 keloyd
ingesting? no
precious bodily fluids? yes
another hint - there are about ten thousand euphemisms for it.
Ok - I got it.
Given the wankers we are, we're all going to live to be at least 150 years old.
| 1657 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:11:30pm |
| 1658 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:11:41pm |
re: #1652 The Shadow Do
A twisted sense of propriety? I dunno
He's just going in for surgery. It's minor surgery, he'll be fine.
| 1659 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:12:03pm |
re: #1645 Cato the Elder
Cato, I noticed that you liked the movie "Mongol" which I agree was a very good movie.
If you liked that you might like "Genghis Kahn: To the Ends of the Earth and Sea" It too was from 2008
| 1660 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:12:15pm |
re: #1654 Dark_Falcon
Good. Nice fresh troll meat. I'll get the troll into the freezer and we'll grill it up tomorrow.
It's a rabbit, not a troll! And I want it baked with a cream sauce, not grilled!
Save me from this rut!
| 1661 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:12:19pm |
re: #1643 Gus 802
In case you missed it. We have a very scientific person flounce downstairs.
He blinded me with science!
| 1662 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:12:21pm |
| 1663 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:12:26pm |
| 1664 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:13:05pm |
re: #1621 iceweasel
You know, if I weren't already madly in love with you I would fall for you just for coming up with 'allcaps of serenity' and 'ad hominems of tranquility', ma canny laddie.
[Video]
Ah'm honoured an utherwise rendurd speechliss. Ma wee lamb :)
| 1665 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:14:27pm |
I gotta go? Very Early Morning --ugh.
Have a great evening all!
| 1666 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:15:09pm |
re: #1660 Silvergirl
It's a rabbit, not a troll! And I want it baked with a cream sauce, not grilled!
Save me from this rut!
Sorry. I can bake a troll, but I don't like cream sauces.
| 1667 |
Bagua Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:15:46pm |
| 1668 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:16:10pm |
re: #1666 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I can bake a troll, but I don't like cream sauces.
Rabbit!
Chocolate sprinkles?
| 1669 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:18:55pm |
re: #1668 Silvergirl
Rabbit!
Chocolate sprinkles?
If it pops out of a hole only to spew and flounce, it is a troll not a rabbit.
| 1670 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:19:48pm |
re: #1664 Jimmah
Ah'm honoured an utherwise rendurd speechliss. Ma wee lamb :)
[Video]
Since it's now St pat's both in Scotland and NYC, there is but one reply possible:
Father Ted: My Lovely Horse
| 1671 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:20:31pm |
re: #1666 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I can bake a troll, but I don't like cream sauces.
I'm not big on cream sauces either....... but my wife loves mine.
| 1672 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:20:51pm |
re: #1669 Dark_Falcon
If it pops out of a hole only to spew and flounce, it is a troll not a rabbit.
Listen, I haven't even seen it, but I am sick to death of troll. I'll throw it up. Rabbit hunting was named, therefore we're have rabbit. I don't like gamey stringy troll!
| 1673 |
Lidane Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:21:09pm |
re: #1661 bratwurst
He blinded me with science!
Probably my favorite Thomas Dolby song off my favorite album of his. The title applies to the "very scientific" poster who flounced:
:)
| 1674 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:21:58pm |
re: #1670 iceweasel
Since it's now St pat's both in Scotland and NYC, there is but one reply possible:
Father Ted: My Lovely Horse[Video]
Better not let JD Hayworth see that. ;)
| 1675 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:22:46pm |
re: #1672 Silvergirl
Listen, I haven't even seen it, but I am sick to death of troll. I'll throw it up. Rabbit hunting was named, therefore we're have rabbit. I don't like gamey stringy troll!
Don't worry. We'll lay on some rabbit for you.
| 1676 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:23:18pm |
re: #1671 Mr Pancakes
I'm not big on cream sauces either... but my wife loves mine.
in bed.
/not really, but that line just screamed for it.
| 1677 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:23:23pm |
| 1678 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:23:58pm |
re: #1673 Lidane
Ha! Highly underrated album indeed ("Budapest by Blimp" and "The Ability to Swing" being my others faves aside from yours)...but The Flat Earth will always be #1 with me!
| 1679 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:24:08pm |
re: #1659 Mr Pancakes
Cato, I noticed that you liked the movie "Mongol" which I agree was a very good movie.
If you liked that you might like "Genghis Kahn: To the Ends of the Earth and Sea" It too was from 2008
Favorited for later reference. Not least because it was quite understated. And dared to challenge the audience with a film shot in Mongolian, with subtitles. I will watch it a second time.
"Mongol" was good in many ways.
Then I went to see "Alice" in DC last weekend with my sarcastic satirical German GF.
The previews were almost enough to drive us out of the theater and get a refund.
Two, in particular, were so formulaic as to be beyond risible:
"The Sorcerer's Apprentice", a blatant Harry Potter ripoff, complete with quest to save the gorram world, sublimated teenage sex, and wizards up the wazoo.
And "Prince of Persia", a blatant LoTR ripoff, complete with doom-bringing fetish (a dagger, in this case), lots of exotic scenery, eeevul Moooslim-looking types, and sublimated adult sex.
I'm not a Harry Potter fan, though I did read the first volume in both English and the Latin translation (there is such a thing, and the Latin was funnier). I'm a lifelong Tolkien fan, and the movies were good enough for me, though nowhere near the experience (multiple) of reading the books.
But of course, Hollywood's motto is "if you find something that works, rape it to death!"
"Alice" was by turns cute, boring, fun, and boring. The young Polish actress who plays the eponymous heroine is beyond fetching. And I particularly enjoyed the scene where the Red Queen plays croquet with a flamingo for a mallet and a tied-up hedgehog for a ball.
I'm sick that way.
But O, Hollywood, thank you for endless breathy previews, so I know what not to waste my money on!
| 1680 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:24:50pm |
re: #1674 Gus 802
Better not let JD Hayworth see that. ;)
Shit-- I totally meant to make a Hayworth crack. Got bollocksed up because BBC won't let me embed--
here's the dream version of Ted and Dougal's nightmare song:
If people haven't seen Father Ted, I highly recommend it, especially for Catholics and the Irish. Brilliant show.
| 1681 |
Silvergirl Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:24:55pm |
re: #1675 Dark_Falcon
Don't worry. We'll lay on some rabbit for you.
Watch your language you barbecue chef. I asked for baked and you're talking about laying on some rabbit. Place it lovingly in a nice roasting pan and bake for 45 minutes at 350 degrees.
| 1682 |
jaunte Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:25:04pm |
Almost time...
The Pogues - Thousands Are Sailing
| 1683 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:26:47pm |
re: #1680 iceweasel
Shit-- I totally meant to make a Hayworth crack. Got bollocksed up because BBC won't let me embed--
here's the dream version of Ted and Dougal's nightmare song:
[Video]If people haven't seen Father Ted, I highly recommend it, especially for Catholics and the Irish. Brilliant show.
The first video was very funny. I liked the sudden transition to the smoke filled room and the one priest freaking out and cursing at his friend.
| 1684 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:27:35pm |
re: #1681 Silvergirl
Watch your language you barbecue chef. I asked for baked and you're talking about laying on some rabbit. Place it lovingly in a nice roasting pan and bake for 45 minutes at 350 degrees.
Consider it done. Now all you have to do, Elmer, is get me a rabbit. ;)
| 1685 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:28:09pm |
re: #1679 Cato the Elder
Prince of Persia is a video game adaptation, BTW.
| 1686 |
Lidane Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:28:30pm |
re: #1678 bratwurst
Ha! Highly underrated album indeed ("Budapest by Blimp" and "The Ability to Swing" being my others faves aside from yours)...but The Flat Earth will always be #1 with me!
The whole album is brilliant, but I have a soft spot for "My Brain is Like a Sieve" since it was the song that drew me to that album in the first place. The Flat Earth is a close second. :)
| 1688 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:31:08pm |
| 1689 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:31:14pm |
re: #1680 iceweasel
If people haven't seen Father Ted, I highly recommend it, especially for Catholics and the Irish. Brilliant show.
Coming from you, my little aytheeyist frost-otter, I'll take that as a recommendation.
| 1690 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:32:21pm |
re: #1688 Varek Raith
...as in the British comedy???
Just looked. The lead actor. Dermot Morgan 1952-1998. Heart attack.
| 1691 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:32:23pm |
re: #1683 Gus 802
The first video was very funny. I liked the sudden transition to the smoke filled room and the one priest freaking out and cursing at his friend.
I think the BBC lets you watch episodes for free now-- there's a link in that second embedded youtube.
The first time I ran across it was on PBS in the states and i couldn't stop laughing. We were also amazed because this show was so popular in Ireland, and in the US it would be considered so offensive and blasphemous.
It's three priests who are terrible priests, fuckups in one way or another, and have been condemned to a tiny parish on a tiny island-- Craggy Island.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Absolutely hilarious.
| 1692 |
wee fury Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:32:29pm |
re: #1688 Varek Raith
...as in the British comedy???
No. He is really dead. The actor who played Father Ted. 'Twas one of my all time favorite programs.
| 1693 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:32:38pm |
Here's a book preview trailer. It's pretty gory, I'll warn you right now.
[Link: www.dreadcentral.com...]
| 1694 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:33:33pm |
| 1695 |
bratwurst Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:34:05pm |
re: #1686 Lidane
Here is his most famous composition that he didn't record (though he has performed it):
| 1696 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:34:17pm |
re: #1689 Cato the Elder
Coming from you, my little aytheeyist frost-otter, I'll take that as a recommendation.
Hey, don't forget that I'm one of those atheists who was raised extremely catholic. Tons of Jesuits in my family, Catholic school, the whole deal. I might even still have been semi-Catholic when I first ran across the show.
| 1697 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:34:49pm |
re: #1692 wee fury
No. He is really dead. The actor who played Father Ted. 'Twas one of my all time favorite programs.
Me too. So sad that he died when he did.
| 1698 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:35:49pm |
re: #1696 iceweasel
Hey, don't forget that I'm one of those atheists who was raised extremely catholic. Tons of Jesuits in my family, Catholic school, the whole deal. I might even still have been semi-Catholic when I first ran across the show.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
And people complain about the language here at LGF!
| 1699 |
Gus Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:36:06pm |
re: #1691 iceweasel
I think the BBC lets you watch episodes for free now-- there's a link in that second embedded youtube.
The first time I ran across it was on PBS in the states and i couldn't stop laughing. We were also amazed because this show was so popular in Ireland, and in the US it would be considered so offensive and blasphemous.
It's three priests who are terrible priests, fuckups in one way or another, and have been condemned to a tiny parish on a tiny island-- Craggy Island.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]Absolutely hilarious.
Great. I'll look it up later on the BBC. Wonder if they have any documentaries you can watch over there.
| 1700 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:38:38pm |
re: #1679 Cato the Elder
Favorited for later reference. Not least because it was quite understated. And dared to challenge the audience with a film shot in Mongolian, with subtitles. I will watch it a second time.
"Mongol" was good in many ways.
Then I went to see "Alice"
I'm assuming you are talking about the Johnny Depp Alice. I rented the Disney version for my daughter to watch before I allow her to watch that version.
Did you know there is a 1933 version of Alice with Carey Grant, W.C. Fields, and Gary Cooper?
It's rather strange.
| 1701 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:39:08pm |
re: #1699 Gus 802
Great. I'll look it up later on the BBC. Wonder if they have any documentaries you can watch over there.
I've got a couple of seekrit links that are highly useful for watching protected BBC stuff, even blocked stuff in the US. I'll send you some info. ;)
| 1702 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:39:40pm |
re: #1697 iceweasel
Me too. So sad that he died when he did.
It's OK, Ice. He's in a better world now - with harses and unicornes and leprechauns and pots o' gold.
I hope to join him there one day.
| 1703 |
Varek Raith Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:40:24pm |
re: #1702 Cato the Elder
It's OK, Ice. He's in a better world now - with harses and unicornes and leprechauns and pots o' gold.
I hope to join him there one day.
Feck the unicorns!
| 1704 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:40:56pm |
re: #1680 iceweasel
Shit-- I totally meant to make a Hayworth crack. Got bollocksed up because BBC won't let me embed--
here's the dream version of Ted and Dougal's nightmare song:
[Video]If people haven't seen Father Ted, I highly recommend it, especially for Catholics and the Irish. Brilliant show.
My family - who were mostly churchgoers - were always big fans of Dave Allen when I was growing up - mainstream Irish comedian, always mocking religion:
| 1705 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:42:58pm |
re: #1703 Varek Raith
Feck the unicorns!
Heh. Classic Father Ted moment:
Naow tell me, what would you say to a nice cup of tea?
| 1706 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:43:49pm |
re: #1704 Jimmah
My family - who were mostly churchgoers - were always big fans of Dave Allen when I was growing up - mainstream Irish comedian, always mocking religion.
And how can you not love a show that shows a priest wiping his nose on a puppy?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
| 1707 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:44:14pm |
re: #1677 SanFranciscoZionist
TMI, dude.
You are right.... apologies
But I was talking about a garlic alfredo sauce that I make.... honest.
| 1708 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:46:40pm |
re: #1685 Dark_Falcon
Prince of Persia is a video game adaptation, BTW.
That reminded me of something kind of neat.
Here's the brother of the developer, being filmed running, leaping and climbing, to be later rotoscoped into the Prince of Persia animations.
This was for the original Prince of Persia -- this one:
| 1709 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:47:12pm |
| 1710 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:48:47pm |
re: #805 Thanos
I think the HC bill's going to pass. I think it will have some flaws that will eventually get ironed out in either the courts, congress, or in policy from the agencies admining it. I think it will also have a lot of good in it, and I don't think it will cause us to fall over the cliff into the deepest abyss of communism or bankruptcy.
I want to see it pass so I can see Glen Beck cry again.
Hell, HCR doesn't have to pass for me to want to see Beck blubber again... ;-P
| 1711 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:48:59pm |
re: #1706 Cato the Elder
And how can you not love a show that shows a priest wiping his nose on a puppy?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Father Jack! Bless 'im!
| 1713 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:49:40pm |
| 1714 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:50:21pm |
re: #1704 Jimmah
My family - who were mostly churchgoers - were always big fans of Dave Allen when I was growing up - mainstream Irish comedian, always mocking religion...
Upding for a major childhood mondagreen!
| 1715 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:50:30pm |
re: #1706 Cato the Elder
And how can you not love a show that shows a priest wiping his nose on a puppy?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Well, the point is partly that the priests in question are hopeless fuckups, and that's why they've been exiled to this little, extremely remote island...to keep them out of trouble.
I don't in any way consider it to be insulting to Catholics, and clearly the Irish didn't think so.
But it's interesting to me that if something like that were produced in the US, Catholics here would completely freak out. Of course the US does have a long history of prejudice against Catholics, so that's part of it.
| 1716 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:51:55pm |
Wow! I'm reading through the thread. What a night. Lot's of f e a r out there!
| 1717 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:53:12pm |
re: #1716 Stanley Sea
Wow! I'm reading through the thread. What a night. Lot's of f e a r out there!
Oh yeah. BTW, meant to say earlier-- totally agree with you on Ezra. I link him all the time here.
| 1718 |
Lidane Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:55:04pm |
re: #1695 bratwurst
Here is his most famous composition that he didn't record (though he has performed it)
Huh. You really do learn something new every day. I have that song on my iTunes because it was part of a playlist I downloaded. I never knew he wrote it. That's pretty cool.
| 1719 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:56:26pm |
*stomp* *stomp* *stomp*
It's the thread that ate the next thread.
| 1720 |
Aye Pod Tue, Mar 16, 2010 9:56:49pm |
re: #1715 iceweasel
Well, the point is partly that the priests in question are hopeless fuckups, and that's why they've been exiled to this little, extremely remote island...to keep them out of trouble.
Case in point - the awesome brain of Father Dougal:
| 1721 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:17:38pm |
re: #1664 Jimmah
Ah'm honoured an utherwise rendurd speechliss. Ma wee lamb :)
[Video]
Speaking of lambs:
The Confused Lamb
| 1722 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:53:28pm |
re: #1301 Alouette
The "enemy" in the text Spare was referring to is a rival or competitor, not a moral criminal who must be destroyed. "Rejoice not in your enemy's downfall" refers to schadenfreude for a competitor's failure. "When the wicked lose there is gladness" refers to moral criminals who are destroyed.
People who have no care for the suffering of the innocent, the rights of the widow or the orphan, are moral criminals.
| 1723 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:53:36pm |
re: #506 iceweasel
The Constitutionality issue is today's big wingnut meme-- probably will be for the whole week. the WSJ, NRO, and others are all over it.
They're living in a fantasy world, though, as usual. Good rundown on it over at Washington Monthly with lots of links, but here's the takeaway:
Norman Ornstein touched on that today as well:
Hypocrisy: A Parliamentary Procedure
Any veteran observer of Congress is used to the rampant hypocrisy over the use of parliamentary procedures that shifts totally from one side to the other as a majority moves to minority status, and vice versa. But I can’t recall a level of feigned indignation nearly as great as what we are seeing now from congressional Republicans and their acolytes at the Wall Street Journal, and on blogs, talk radio, and cable news. It reached a ridiculous level of misinformation and disinformation over the use of reconciliation, and now threatens to top that level over the projected use of a self-executing rule by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In the last Congress that Republicans controlled, from 2005 to 2006, Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier used the self-executing rule more than 35 times, and was no stranger to the concept of “deem and pass.” That strategy, then decried by the House Democrats who are now using it, and now being called unconstitutional by WSJ editorialists, was defended by House Republicans in court (and upheld). Dreier used it for a $40 billion deficit reduction package so that his fellow GOPers could avoid an embarrassing vote on immigration. I don’t like self-executing rules by either party—I prefer the “regular order”—so I am not going to say this is a great idea by the Democrats. But even so—is there no shame anymore?
As for this particular use of deem-and-pass, I have no problem with the Dems using the same parliamentary shortcuts the GOP used when in power (no unilateral disarmament), but I'm kind of scratching my head as to the political value of this one. I mean they're going to have to succeed at a majority vote for the reconciliation fixes anyway, and I suppose they're attempting to avoid ads claiming house members voted for the "cornhusker kickback" or whatever else is unpalatable in the Senate bill (since they'll only be voting for the fixes), but I seriously doubt GOP political consultants are going to be making that fine a distinction and you've also given them a brand new process story to demagogue.
| 1724 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:01:12pm |
re: #1186 WindUpBird
Lol, look at all your crazy, spilling out on my internets! Listen up. I run my own business. And I work in health care. I still work in health care partially because the costs of being a sole-proprietor and buying my own insurance are prohibitive, even though I run a successful business. I am intimately aware of how much health care costs. You don't owe me a thing, and I wouldn't take anything from you even if you did. I built something from nothing, and I'm not some elitist who "screens their clients carefully". I don't dehumanize people into trailer trash. I don't claim I'm exceptional. It should be evident to anyone who knows me whether I'm good at what I do or not. I don't need to shout it on a blog.
I have nurses in my family, I have nurses and nursing students as friends, I hang out at bars with people who run respite care facilities. I know what I'm talking about. I hear their stories every week. I know the truth. You run a limo company. What do you know about health care?
Your rhetoric is tired, your exceptionalism is skin deep. So yes, the nightmare will pass, and I'll get what I deserve, which is a break on my premiums.
The welfare crack and the "I DON'T OWE YOU WEHHH" line, that's what tells me you're exactly what I think you are: a blind, panicked tribalist, who sees no need for critical thinking.
This was glorious! Perfectly said and repeated for emphasis.
| 1725 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:01:58pm |
re: #1723 simoom
I'm kind of scratching my head as to the political value of this one. I mean they're going to have to succeed at a majority vote for the reconciliation fixes anyway, and I suppose they're attempting to avoid ads claiming house members voted for the "cornhusker kickback" or whatever else is unpalatable in the Senate bill (since they'll only be voting for the fixes), but I seriously doubt GOP political consultants are going to be making that fine a distinction and you've also given them a brand new process story to demagogue.
Thanks for that link; I've bookmarked it to read later. I have to read up before I'm capable of responding intelligently to the points you just made and I quoted above. I think I have an answer though, and I'll have to make it later when I'm less tired and more capable of concentrating. I'll find you on some other thread tomorrow or answer here, I promise.
re: #1722 LudwigVanQuixote
People who have no care for the suffering of the innocent, the rights of the widow or the orphan, are moral criminals.
Bingo, yahoo!
| 1726 |
simoom Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:09:06pm |
re: #1725 iceweasel
Thanks for that link; I've bookmarked it to read later. I have to read up before I'm capable of responding intelligently to the points you just made and I quoted above. I think I have an answer though, and I'll have to make it later when I'm less tired and more capable of concentrating. I'll find you on some other thread tomorrow or answer here, I promise.
I only have a cursory-reading's understanding of it myself, so maybe that's why I'm not catching the political utility of the maneuver (in this particular case). But I'll definitely keep an eye out for your thoughts on it tomorrow.
Here's the brief bit I read on the subject:
Ezra Klein - Explaining deem and pass
| 1727 |
The Left Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:11:59pm |
re: #1726 simoom
I only have a cursory-reading's understanding of it myself, so maybe that's why I'm not catching the political utility of the maneuver (in this particular case). But I'll definitely keep an eye out for your thoughts on it tomorrow.
Here's the brief bit I read on the subject:
Ezra Klein - Explaining deem and pass
Cool- I linked some of Ezra's posts on it earlier today. also one by benen over at Washington Monthly. I think I have a grasp on the political utility of it, but I mentioned here earlier when I linked some other stuff that the political topography and the meta is changing this week hour by hour.
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