What Racism at the Tea Parties?

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Wow. The racism that underlies much of the tea party movement is coming to the surface more and more, and yesterday in Washington DC the mask came completely off: Protesters hurl slurs and spit at Democrats.

Washington (CNN) - Civil rights icon and veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, said anti-health care bill protesters Saturday repeatedly yelled the “N” word at him as he left a heath care meeting and walked to the Capitol.

“I haven’t seen heard anything like this in more than 40 years, maybe 45.” Lewis said. “Since the march from Selma to Montgomery really.”

“Yeah, but it’s okay,” Lewis added. “I’ve faced this before. So, it reminded me of the 60’s. There’s a lot of downright hate and anger and people are just being downright mean.”

The incident was confirmed by Rep. Andre Carson, D-Indiana, who was walking with Lewis at the time. Protesters were yelling, “‘kill the bill, kill the bill’ and the ‘N’ word several times,” Carson said.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, released a statement late Saturday saying he too was called the “N” word as he walked to the Capitol for a vote and that he was spat on by one protestor who was arrested by U.S. Capitol Police. Cleaver declined to press charges against the man, the statement said.

Protesters also hurled anti-gay comments at Rep. Barney Frank, D-Massachusetts, who is openly gay, as he left the same health care meeting that Lewis attended in a House office building.

A CNN producer overheard the word “faggot” yelled at Frank several times in the lobby of the Longworth building. Frank said he heard someone yell “homo” at him.

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608 comments
1 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:42:11pm

This is an interesting time in the US, really. Its our chance to finally REALLY come to terms with our history of racism.

2 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:42:18pm

Stay classy folks.

3 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:43:14pm

re: #2 McSpiff

I’m always classy.

4 jamesfirecat  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:43:24pm

Ahh is there anything as beautiful as hearing the uncensored voice of the American public?

Thank G-d we live in a representational democracy…

5 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:43:57pm
Cleaver declined to press charges against the man, the statement said.

Good on him. The high road is always the best path.

6 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:44:50pm

I am amazed with how Lewis, Cleaver, and the others responded. I would be pissed as hell for being racial epithets and spat on for my opinion.

7 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:45:37pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Really its all about them being sanguine in victory, just as the over-the-top bile came from the bigots being poor sports in loss.

8 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #7 windsagio

(wish I could edit)

Passing the bill would be the best retort they could possibly have >>

9 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:46:52pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I am amazed with how Lewis, Cleaver, and the others responded. I would be pissed as hell for being racial epithets and spat on for my opinion.

It’s disgusting really

10 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:47:47pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I am amazed with how Lewis, Cleaver, and the others responded. I would be pissed as hell for being racial epithets and spat on for my opinion.

They’ve been through it before, they are not as shocked as some of us are.

11 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:49:33pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I am amazed with how Lewis, Cleaver, and the others responded. I would be pissed as hell for being racial epithets and spat on for my opinion.

It is amazing. I would not have reacted with such class. Soap has a bit of a temper…

(At the very least I would have pressed charges on the spitter.)

12 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:50:29pm

This is why the founding fathers saw too it we didn’t have too much democracy.Mel Brooks knows what I’m talking about.

and ask not for whom the bell tolls in another decade. It will be the left wing’s turn to act the fool sooner than you think.

13 simoom  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:50:39pm

Maybe I’m just hearing things, but this is a video from yesterday of the Congressmen crossing the street, and I think this may actually be when one of the incidents took place:
Youtube Video

There’s voice that you hear yelling a word, mostly unintelligibly, a number of times after each “Kill the Bill” chant. At ~12.75 seconds in you hear it most clearly. Its not clear enough to be used as evidence of anything, but give it a listen.

14 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:51:13pm

I’m just hoping it doesn’t turn violent. I believe that most people at these tea party events ARE well-meaning people who are just irrationally afraid or feeling like their “way of life” is being threatened. I hope that hearing this kind of rhetoric from their fellow tea partiers will help them come around and realize exactly the kind of people they’re associating themselves with.

15 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:51:17pm

re: #12 keloyd

You’re equating blatant racism and homophobia with ‘the left playing the fool’?

Wowzers!

16 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:52:26pm

Sticks and stones may break my bones, and names will never hurt me, but if you spit on me I am going to do my damnedest to fuck you up six ways to Sunday.

17 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:53:00pm

re: #16 negativ

That makes me think, can you imagine what would happen to the poor fool that spit on the President?

18 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:54:46pm

re: #17 windsagio

That makes me think, can you imagine what would happen to the poor fool that spit on the President?

Or the poor fool who throws shoes at the President.

19 firstinla  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:55:01pm

The closer we come to the bottom of the barrel the uglier things will get. We’re not there yet.

20 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:55:05pm

And here’s Rep. Steve King

Rep. Steve King (R-IA), on racial and gay slurs being hurled at Democratic congressmen: “I just don’t think it’s anything. ... There are a lot of places in this country that I couldn’t walk through. I wouldn’t live to get to the other end of it.”

I just don’t see a huge Republican push back, sorry.

21 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:55:07pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What did happen to that guy?

No wait I’ll look it up.

22 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:55:59pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

maybe I’m being unfair, but all I can think is that he’s thinking “those inner cities with their minority gangs and icky poor people are just so dangerous!”

23 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:56:43pm

re: #17 windsagio

That makes me think, can you imagine what would happen to the poor fool that spit on the President?

We’d hear a lot of wingnutty types screaming about how he’s a hero and turning him or her into a martyr when they get charged with assault and whatever else fits.

24 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:56:55pm

re: #22 windsagio

maybe I’m being unfair, but all I can think is that he’s thinking “those inner cities with their minority gangs and icky poor people are just so dangerous!”

Of course that’s what he’s thinking.

25 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:57:29pm

re: #21 windsagio

lol he had a very strange life.

26 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:57:39pm

Damage control.

27 ryannon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:57:47pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I am amazed with how Lewis, Cleaver, and the others responded. I would be pissed as hell for being racial epithets and spat on for my opinion.

I don’t know about Cleaver, but the lives of people like Lewis often depended on keeping their cool in situations where losing it could mean losing their lives. It’s a survival tactic and within certain limits, a good one.

28 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:58:10pm

Disgusting.

Is there video of this? Not that I don’t believe it, but with as many cameras around as there would have been, it should be on “tape” somewhere…

29 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:58:37pm

re: #12 keloyd

This is why the founding fathers saw too it we didn’t have too much democracy.Mel Brooks knows what I’m talking about.

and ask not for whom the bell tolls in another decade. It will be the left wing’s turn to act the fool sooner than you think.

“Everybody does it” is a teenager’s argument.

30 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:58:46pm

re: #26 The Sanity Inspector

It’s good that at least some of them (see the post above about Rep. King) are showing themselves to be decent human beings. Kudos to them!

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:58:54pm

re: #16 negativ

Sticks and stones may break my bones, and names will never hurt me, but if you spit on me I am going to do my damnedest to fuck you up six ways to Sunday.

Quite Concur. I would have knocked the asshole out cold. And then been arrested and jailed myself. There are some times when I simply cannot restrain myself.

32 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:00pm

re: #8 windsagio

(wish I could edit)

Passing the bill would be the best retort they could possibly have >>


Unfortunately there are a lot of others that agree. Makes me want to scream I AM AGAINST THIS BILL AND AM NOT AN INSANE RAVING, BIGGOTED, HISTORY IGNORANT, MORON. I am not afraid of death panels or an uptick in the number of abortions. Just don’t like it. And I would like to see intelligent people discussing it intelligently. Riiiight. That’ll happen now. Thanks insane bigotted raving history ignorant morons.

33 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:14pm

yes, I am. This round of right wing demonstrations is worse than any I can remember, personally, having been a politically aware adult for not quite 2 decades. Still, look at the violence of the left and right thugs in Europe. Europe is often prologue to what we will deal with soon. Left wing demonstrations may not be homophobic, but they can be anti-Semitic today. Anti-World Bank and WHO demonstrations destroy property and need more riot control cops than the spitting racists of today’s demonstrations. They will be violently something in 10 or 20 years. It’s the circle of life. I can only prove this by posting links from the future, and your puny blog can’t handle that kind of technology, puny earthling.

Also, my whole life I’ve heard that this is the worst it has ever been with the partisan hysteria. Can that possibly be true?

34 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:15pm

re: #27 ryannon

I don’t know about Cleaver, but the lives of people like Lewis often depended on keeping their cool in situations where losing it could mean losing their lives. It’s a survival tactic and within certain limits, a good one.

And Lewis is at core a quite gracious man.

35 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:26pm

POTUS is going to sign an EO restricting abortion coverage to buy Stupak’s vote?
NOW’s going to have a cow.

36 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:30pm

there is no doubt in my mind that if LGF posters could spit on each other, some would

37 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:32pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I would have knocked the asshole out cold. And then been arrested and jailed myself. There are some times when I simply cannot restrain myself.

In this case, your lack of restraint would have been justified.

38 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:51pm

re: #32 Escaped Hillbilly

IF it makes you feel any better, the law was gonna pass before these guys decided to crazy it up :p

/I suspect that doesn’t make you feel any better.

39 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Of course that’s what he’s thinking.

Well wait, I’m guessing. But it is Rep. King. He’s the guy who suggested deporting undocumented Haitians to help after the earthquake.

“Illegal immigrants from Haiti have no reason to fear deportation but if they are deported, Haiti is in great need of relief workers and many of them could be a big help to their fellow Haitians.”

40 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:05pm

re: #30 windsagio
The House Rep leader Boehner immediately denounced epithets and those who yelled them as reprehensible.

41 ryannon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:20pm

re: #21 windsagio

What did happen to that guy?

No wait I’ll look it up.

He became a hero in certain circles.

42 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:40pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton
They’ll become internet sensations?

43 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:40pm

re: #28 astronmr20

There is but it’s hard to make out exactly what is being said in the cacophony of voices and chants.

This fits in perfectly with the tea party response: Step 1: Deny. Step 2: Claim that these people are democrat plants designed to make the movement look bad. Step 3: Claim these people are just a few isolated whackos who don’t represent the movement. Step 4: Claim that what they said isn’t realllly that bad.

44 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:42pm

re: #40 tradewind

Good for him!

45 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:54pm

re: #27 ryannon

I don’t know about Cleaver, but the lives of people like Lewis often depended on keeping their cool in situations where losing it could mean losing their lives. It’s a survival tactic and within certain limits, a good one.

Waiting patiently for your story.

46 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:00:58pm

re: #41 ryannon

His shoes were specifically destroyed by the US military.

That’s all kinds of cool!

47 avanti  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:01:08pm

re: #32 Escaped Hillbilly

Unfortunately there are a lot of others that agree. Makes me want to scream I AM AGAINST THIS BILL AND AM NOT AN INSANE RAVING, BIGGOTED, HISTORY IGNORANT, MORON. I am not afraid of death panels or an uptick in the number of abortions. Just don’t like it. And I would like to see intelligent people discussing it intelligently. Riiight. That’ll happen now. Thanks insane bigotted raving history ignorant morons.

He’s a item related to your post about what we’ve learned from the heath care debate.

48 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:01:34pm

re: #33 keloyd

[snip]

It’s the circle of life. I can only prove this by posting links from the future, and your puny blog can’t handle that kind of technology, puny earthling.

[snip]

I thought I recognized you. Didn’t we meet last year when our closed time-like loops intersected?

49 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:02:01pm

re: #33 keloyd

Trying to show equivalence just makes you look bad :(

50 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:02:27pm

re: #1 windsagio
Obama has already asked us to Moveon beyond that.
The first post - racial president has no interest in a national discussion on race.

51 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:02:30pm

re: #43 kobra_55

So we’re not sure if it really happened?

(Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if it did.)

52 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:02:49pm

re: #49 windsagio

Trying to show equivalence just makes you look bad :(

But it wasn’t equivalence… it was a rebuttal (Vue Deja - I don’t think we’ve been here before).

53 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:03:12pm

re: #36 albusteve
Spitting… it must be a guy thing.
Yuck.

54 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:03:17pm

re: #50 tradewind

The lesson of the past year is that we really haven’t dealt with it yet, all we did was drag it kicking and screaming out into the open.


Which is probably a good thing, but kinda scary too.

55 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:03:31pm

re: #16 negativ

Sticks and stones may break my bones, and names will never hurt me, but if you spit on me I am going to do my damnedest to fuck you up six ways to Sunday.

Same here.

I’m not a violent person. I can’t even throw a proper punch. However, I’d do my absolute best to hurt someone if they spit on me. That’s just entirely uncalled for.

Much respect to Lewis and Cleaver for handling that shit with far more class than they were faced with. Especially Lewis. That man is a hero and deserves far more respect than those ignorant douchebags gave him.

56 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:03:32pm

re: #29 The Sanity Inspector

“Everybody does it” is a teenager’s argument.

As an excuse, it is poor; as an observation of the human condition, it appears to me that everybody, in fact, does it. It’s why I’ve never been to a demonstration in my life, and likely never will. It is inherently low brow behavior in 9 cases out of 10.

You can’t fight city hall Mel Brooks.

57 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:03:32pm

re: #21 windsagio

What did happen to that guy?

No wait I’ll look it up.

Part of what happened is that the Secret Service protective detail inexplicably moved about as slow as friggin’ molasses, and if it had been a pistol rather than shoes, well…

58 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:03:51pm

re: #51 astronmr20

Some people claim the can hear the n-word on the video, other people say they can’t hear it. But some people who were there, including the congressmen themselves and some CNN people are confirming that they also heard it.

59 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:04:05pm

re: #22 windsagio

maybe I’m being unfair, but all I can think is that he’s thinking “those inner cities with their minority gangs and icky poor people are just so dangerous!”

I don’t think you are. King has a history of making nutty statements.

60 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:04:07pm

Watching CSPAN now..

61 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:04:20pm

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

We have, and in essence he’s trying to weaken the disgust we should feel for this by saying “The left is just as bad!”

~Just like the guy in the last thread was.

Its simply not a valid argument.

62 ryannon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:04:21pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I would have knocked the asshole out cold. And then been arrested and jailed myself. There are some times when I simply cannot restrain myself.

And if you were surrounded by two or three hundred assholes just like the guy who spit on you? And the cops were standing around cracking jokes?

You’d restrain yourself.

63 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:05:06pm

re: #35 tradewind

POTUS is going to sign an EO restricting abortion coverage to buy Stupak’s vote?
NOW’s going to have a cow.

The EO will do no such thing. It will only confirm what everyone knows is the law anyway: that the Hyde Amendment must still be followed at all times, that no federal funds can be used for abortions.
(This would have been the case anyway, but manufactured controversies can sometimes be solved by re-stating the obvious)

64 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:05:24pm

Aren’t we close to the actual vote? You’ll have to pardon me.. am not near a TV… And don’t have the bandwidth for streaming C-span at the moment.

65 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:05:37pm

re: #57 negativ

Part of what happened is that the Secret Service protective detail inexplicably moved about as slow as friggin’ molasses, and if it had been a pistol rather than shoes, well…

Agreed. I was unimpressed by the secret service that day. Bush, on the other hand, showed some pretty keen reflexes. Not only that, he looked unfazed during the entire ordeal.

66 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:05:44pm

re: #55 Lidane

Same here.

I’m not a violent person. I can’t even throw a proper punch. However, I’d do my absolute best to hurt someone if they spit on me. That’s just entirely uncalled for.

Much respect to Lewis and Cleaver for handling that shit with far more class than they were faced with. Especially Lewis. That man is a hero and deserves far more respect than those ignorant douchebags gave him.

punching is usually a distraction…unless it’s the big one…you can do much damage without ever throwing a punch

67 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:05:49pm

re: #56 keloyd

As an excuse, it is poor; as an observation of the human condition, it appears to me that everybody, in fact, does it. It’s why I’ve never been to a demonstration in my life, and likely never will. It is inherently low brow behavior in 9 cases out of 10.

You can’t fight city hall Mel Brooks.

Do you realize how many thousand and thousands of people you just dissed, people of all races and political flavors? I’ll have you fucking know that demonstrations do not equal “low brow.”

Where is your statistics on that. Proof. Or are you pulling that out of your ass?

68 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:05:51pm

re: #35 tradewind
Probably true and totally stupid seeing as how money wasn’t going to be available for abortions anyway. Previous law. Ah my sisters, why is this our rallying cry?

69 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:06:22pm

re: #61 windsagio

We have, and in essence he’s trying to weaken the disgust we should feel for this by saying “The left is just as bad!”

~Just like the guy in the last thread was.

Its simply not a valid argument.

You’re no fun today.

70 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:06:27pm

re: #65 Soap_Man

Agreed. I was unimpressed by the secret service that day. Bush, on the other hand, showed some pretty keen reflexes. Not only that, he looked unfazed during the entire ordeal.

The man had cat-life reflexes. That’s for sure.

71 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:06:44pm

re: #50 tradewind

Obama has already asked us to Moveon beyond that.
The first post - racial president has no interest in a national discussion on race.

Besides the several discussions he’s already had on racial issues, e.g. Gates and Wright?

72 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:07:50pm

re: #1 windsagio

This is an interesting time in the US, really. Its our chance to finally REALLY come to terms with our history of racism.

It started during the primaries and hasn’t stopped. Politics is getting pretty foul right now.

73 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:07:55pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

sorry, certain subjects really piss me off, its hard to be properly entertaining when you’re actually upset.

I’d get wasted if I could get away with it, but its a work night >>

74 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:08:49pm

re: #43 kobra_55

There is but it’s hard to make out exactly what is being said in the cacophony of voices and chants.

This fits in perfectly with the tea party response: Step 1: Deny. Step 2: Claim that these people are democrat plants designed to make the movement look bad. Step 3: Claim these people are just a few isolated whackos who don’t represent the movement. Step 4: Claim that what they said isn’t really that bad.

Around here we call that the Butthurt Fandango. It usually ends in a troll roast.

75 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:09:00pm

re: #50 tradewind

Obama has already asked us to Moveon beyond that.
The first post - racial president has no interest in a national discussion on race.

then his AG said we are cowards for not discussing race issues?

76 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:09:09pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

I shouldn’t tell you this, but if ever you wnana really piss me off, do some variant of the above argument (or defend the confederacy, but that’s not really apropos). Unless I think you’re funning me, I’ll get all pissy >>

77 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:09:50pm

re: #70 astronmr20

The man had cat-life reflexes. That’s for sure.

He should have tried to catch the shoe. That would have been really badass.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:03pm

re: #70 astronmr20

The man had cat-life reflexes. That’s for sure.

He used to be a catcher. He got used to things being thrown at him, and catchers need quick reflexes to prevent wild pitches.

79 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:03pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Do you realize how many thousand and thousands of people you just dissed, people of all races and political flavors? I’ll have you fucking know that demonstrations do not equal “low brow.”

Where is your statistics on that. Proof. Or are you pulling that out of your ass?

I will narrow the scope of my last broad statement. Every demonstration on a college campus or in the city of Dallas I’ve seen in my adult life, which only goes back to 1990, has been a vulgar farce. They are nothing like what you see from the History Channel from the 60’s when MLK was keeping things professional and orderly.

It’s kids who don’t really know what’s at issue looking for excuses to reak havoc, like after a big sporting event, or it’s ethnic politics lead by low level political thugs. Demonstrations do not equal coherent and useful political speech in my experience, in my lifetime, in my part of the world.

80 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:10pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

Around here we call that the Butthurt Fandango. It usually ends in a troll roast.

Butthurt Fandango! I like that one!

81 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:28pm

dailykos.com
I don’t like using Kos but it seems like it’s not just Gays and Blacks getting shit on a racial level.

82 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:32pm

re: #77 Soap_Man

He should have tried to catch the shoe. That would have been really badass.

At least he could throw a strike.

83 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:33pm

re: #71 torrentprime
Oh yeah, I totally forgot all about the Beer Summit.
Well, I suppose it did help Blue Moon get their name out there. But not much else.

84 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:10:58pm

re: #77 Soap_Man

Man that might actually be funnier than the guy last thread saying the sign crazies were leftist plants.

Good job!!

85 simoom  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:11:07pm

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) on CSPAN Washington Journal:
Youtube Video

CSPAN Moderator: A lot of angry comments yesterday aimed at a couple of your colleges including Barney Frank and Congressman John Lewis, using the N-word, as some of the protesters jeered at him as he walked through the halls of the Captial.

Rep Nunces: Yeah, well, I think that when you.. when you use totalitarian tactics, people um.. begin to act crazy. And I think, you know, there’s people who have every right to say what they want. If they want to smear someone they can do it. It’s not appropriate and I think I would stop short of characterizing the uh.. 20,000 people that are protesting, that all of them were doing that. I mean I was.. I walked..

Moderator: Those are just some of the stories; just some of the comments.

Rep Nunces: Yeah of course, and I think that uh.. that the left loves to play up just a couple of incidents here or there. Anything to draw attention away from what they’re really doing. And that is that they have 250-some Democrats in the House, and they need 216 Democrats. They don’t have them. They’re buying votes.
… This is some crazy totalitarian tactics that they’re engaged in.

86 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:11:14pm

Procedural Vote on Rules For Debate
Dem 224 Yea, 24 Nay
Repub-170 Nay
12 not voted

87 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:11:19pm

re: #76 windsagio
oh NOSE. Not ’ all pissy! ’
We’re chastened now.

88 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:11:23pm

I swear that these Republican’s are lying out their ass. Saying that the bill will provide public funding for abortion. With a straight face they are lying.

Presser going on right now.

See, I could respect them more, if they didn’t blatantly lie.

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:11:36pm

re: #83 tradewind

Oh yeah, I totally forgot all about the Beer Summit.
Well, I suppose it did help Blue Moon get their name out there. But not much else.

Made for a good thread.

90 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:11:50pm

On tyranny and unfreedomness:

What a Real Government Takeover Looks Like

91 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:12:12pm

Premature gavel.

92 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:12:21pm

re: #85 simoom

man, if I were a republican, I’d be feeding myself into the chipper after hearing that.

(Metaphorical chipper, of course)

93 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:12:24pm

re: #53 tradewind

Spitting… it must be a guy thing.
Yuck.

Not really. I recall a video someone posted here a while back showing a soldier in a wheelchair getting spat on by men & women and called “baby killer” among other things, during an anti-war protest in DC.

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:12:53pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

I swear that these Republican’s are lying out their ass. Saying that the bill will provide public funding for abortion. With a straight face they are lying.

Presser going on right now.

See, I could respect them more, if they didn’t blatantly lie.

So, Republicans only lie?

95 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:13:18pm

Save THE BABIES!!!!11111!!!!

and now the crazy lady gets to speak.
and I am pissed that these bastards have the nerve to infer that the President is a liar.

96 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:13:26pm

re: #47 avanti
This from your post is kinda what I’m saying.

The Administration was not always good at explaining what was in the legislation (see #1, above), especially since there never was a White House bill in the first place (see #4, below). But having to explain what the legislation does not contain only made explaining what it does contain tougher. Misinformation works.


It does not excuse the fact that the bill’s proponents didn’t even seem to try. Really, they through out some vagueries, pumped everybody up, read sob stories, said what wasn’t in the bill, then said they had explained it and we could read it couldn’t we?

97 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:13:43pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

I swear that these Republican’s are lying out their ass. Saying that the bill will provide public funding for abortion. With a straight face they are lying.

Presser going on right now.

See, I could respect them more, if they didn’t blatantly lie.

Well..If you can’t argue on the merits of the bill just scream Abortion!

98 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:13:44pm

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

He didn’t say that. Sometimes feels like it tho’ ;)

99 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:14:41pm

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, Republicans only lie?

Of course not, but that’s what I’m watching right now. They are lying.

100 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:14:48pm

re: #97 HoosierHoops

it kind of hurts, my (in general deeply conservative, but coming around) sister is totally behind the HC reforms, except she’s bought into the folderol around abortion. It’s upsetting that it works.

101 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:14:55pm

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar
That it did…. but strangely, not a lot of talk re reconciling our racial issues.
The takeaway from that one was
’ Cops R Stupid.’
….then the whoops.

102 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:14:57pm

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, Republicans only lie?

such an old boring meme…another partisan slamfest…all day, every day
btw, have not had a G Beck post for a bit now, that’s odd

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:15:23pm

re: #98 windsagio

He didn’t say that. Sometimes feels like it tho’ ;)

So, he should try this line:
“Politicians are full of shit liars. Both parties.”

104 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:15:32pm

re: #102 albusteve

if it weren’t a strawman, that would be a pretty harsh indictment >>

105 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:16:00pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

I swear that these Republican’s are lying out their ass. Saying that the bill will provide public funding for abortion. With a straight face they are lying.

Presser going on right now.

See, I could respect them more, if they didn’t blatantly lie.

There’s some Dems who also say the same thing. It’s a bi-partisan argument.

106 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:16:28pm

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

as of right now, one party is being more blatant about it, and more harmful, so I think its valid to complain about.


Also, there’s that darn equivalency again!!

107 tradewind  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:16:34pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan
Someone please remind him that Stupak is a Democrat.

108 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:06pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

There’s some Dems who also say the same thing. It’s a bi-partisan argument.

and it is a bull shit, lying ass argument.

109 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:16pm

re: #102 albusteve

such an old boring meme…another partisan slamfest…all day, every day
btw, have not had a G Beck post for a bit now, that’s odd

Funny how y’all take it that way.

110 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:24pm

Walter -
In maybe the last 15 years, when have demonstrators made a difference on a national issue? City issues? maybe, well, yes, but not nationally. The public backing lobbying groups like the NRA or AARP make a difference. Voting for like minded people makes a difference. Judges appointed by your elected reps or the Pres makes a difference. Code Pink? nah. Cindy Sheehan? nah. The demonstrators with dualing Hitler-bama and Chairman Oba-mao signs? nah!

111 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:25pm

re: #80 Stanley Sea

Butthurt Fandango! I like that one!

It actually has several more steps:

Step 5: Grumble and act hostile when someone presents information you don’t agree with in stead of arguing the actual point.

Step 6: Whine and seethe when you get called out for being hostile without reason.

Step 7: Hurl insults and scream about being ‘ganged up on’.

Step 8: Get bounced out on your ass by Charles.

Step 9: Register on the Stalker Blog about what a “tyrannical prog” Charles is.

112 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:26pm

re: #107 tradewind

Someone please remind him that Stupak is barely human.

FixT.

113 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:29pm

re: #102 albusteve

btw, have not had a G Beck post for a bit now, that’s odd

I’m sure he’ll once again reset the crazy-o-meter any day now, and he’ll be back on LGF. With video.

114 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:29pm

re: #100 windsagio

it kind of hurts, my (in general deeply conservative, but coming around) sister is totally behind the HC reforms, except she’s bought into the folderol around abortion. It’s upsetting that it works.

Abortion is the mine field of American politics…
Nobody gets out unscathed

115 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:32pm

re: #107 tradewind

Someone please remind him that Stupak is a Democrat.

DINO!!!

116 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:17:56pm

re: #108 webevintage

and it is a bull shit, lying ass argument.

But only the Republicans are lying, right?

117 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:18:17pm

re: #109 Stanley Sea

Funny how y’all take it that way.

it’s a new gig for you, probably have not had your belly full yet

118 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:18:26pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

There’s some Dems who also say the same thing. It’s a bi-partisan argument.

People, I am talking about the Republican presser, going on right now, where the Republicans are lying.

I do not need to placate the crowd with a disclaimer that “all politicians lie”

Good grief.

119 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:18:34pm

re: #107 tradewind

Someone please remind him that Stupak is a Democrat.

Stupak wasn’t part of the presser that was being referred to.

120 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:18:43pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

Stanley can defend himself I’m sure, but another word you won’t find in his post would have been ‘only’.

121 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:18:54pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

But only the Republicans are lying, right?

NO.
The Dems who may still be saying the same shit that that group of Republicans just spewed on TV are lying too.
Are there still some?

122 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:19:10pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Now we just need an appropriate soundtrack to go with the Butthurt Fandango.

123 sandbox  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:19:27pm

I’m pro-choice, but against the Health Care bill.

124 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:19:31pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

when all else fails, try to build consensus by trashing all politicians!

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:19:34pm

The Democrats are in power. There is no reason to hold them accountable for anything.

126 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:20:08pm

re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar

heh, did you leave a ‘not’ out o that, or did I miss something? >>

127 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:20:10pm

re: #85 simoom

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) on CSPAN Washington Journal:

[Video]


CSPAN Moderator: A lot of angry comments yesterday aimed at a couple of your colleges including Barney Frank and Congressman John Lewis, using the N-word, as some of the protesters jeered at him as he walked through the halls of the Captial.

colleagues?

128 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:20:33pm

re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Democrats are in power. There is no reason to hold them accountable for anything.

George Bush’s fault™ .

129 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:20:49pm

re: #124 windsagio

when all else fails, try to build consensus by trashing all politicians!

It always gets so touchy.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:20:57pm

re: #122 kobra_55

Now we just need an appropriate soundtrack to go with the Butthurt Fandango.

Fandango is a great ZZ Top CD.

131 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:21:01pm

re: #123 sandbox

You’re not the only one.

132 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:21:48pm

re: #110 keloyd

Walter -
In maybe the last 15 years, when have demonstrators made a difference on a national issue? City issues? maybe, well, yes, but not nationally. The public backing lobbying groups like the NRA or AARP make a difference. Voting for like minded people makes a difference. Judges appointed by your elected reps or the Pres makes a difference. Code Pink? nah. Cindy Sheehan? nah. The demonstrators with dualing Hitler-bama and Chairman Oba-mao signs? nah!

You’ve gone from calling demonstrators “low brow” now to questioning if they work. All that is besides the point. It’s a cherished freedom we have in this country to publicly protest and it really doesn’t really matter how smart or stupid the participants are, nor does it matter how effective they are, all that really matters is that they do it, they try and no one in this country forgets that one of the things that makes this country what it is is the fact that we can make a public statement like this without getting our heads bashed in or a bullet through our heads.

You have no respect for these people, or these freedoms. You act like you are so above all this. Someone like you would be of no use to this process anyway. So, why do you even care?

133 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:22:15pm

Weiner is on MSNBC.

134 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:22:54pm

re: #124 windsagio

when all else fails, try to build consensus by trashing all politicians!

Or make brilliant statement about the “other” side to the point that even their supporters realize how silly they sound.

135 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:23:02pm

I mean Bachman just stood there and said that the bill will increase abortions by 30%, another Rep whined that it will kill bay-bays and mothers.
What a bunch of BS.

136 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:23:20pm

re: #110 keloyd

Walter -
In maybe the last 15 years, when have demonstrators made a difference on a national issue? City issues? maybe, well, yes, but not nationally. The public backing lobbying groups like the NRA or AARP make a difference. Voting for like minded people makes a difference. Judges appointed by your elected reps or the Pres makes a difference. Code Pink? nah. Cindy Sheehan? nah. The demonstrators with dualing Hitler-bama and Chairman Oba-mao signs? nah!

You do realize people demonstrate in places other than the United States ;-)

137 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:23:52pm

re: #136 WindUpBird

You do realize people demonstrate in places other than the United States ;-)

Even with great big puppets…

138 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:24:16pm

re: #101 tradewind

That it did… but strangely, not a lot of talk re reconciling our racial issues.
The takeaway from that one was
’ Cops R Stupid.’
…then the whoops.


And the funny thing was…the cop wasn’t stupid. The pres stepped in it big time and had to play make up over it.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:24:57pm

re: #137 webevintage

Even with great big puppets…

And they set fire to them!! (I am pro-fire of puppets)
/

140 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:25:12pm

re: #137 webevintage

Even with great big puppets…

I’ve seen the puppets. I marched down the street with the Gay Pride Parade in June 2001 in Paris… right past the former site of the Bastille… there was a real meaning there…

141 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:25:24pm

I like puppets.

142 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:25:42pm

re: #141 Jadespring

I like puppets.

I like pie.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:05pm

re: #122 kobra_55

Now we just need an appropriate soundtrack to go with the Butthurt Fandango.

Well it needs screaming, and one of the songs needs the line “I hate you Daddy!”. Within those parameters, I’m open to suggestions.

144 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:08pm

re: #135 webevintage

They should make a Sci-Fi show called “The World According to Bachman” It would be like Lost, but with more federally mandated abortions.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:12pm

re: #85 simoom

I live in his district. Should he run again, he won’t be getting my vote. Doubt that it will make much difference, though.

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:13pm

re: #141 Jadespring

I like puppets.

I could sell you a sock with eyes….
/

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:16pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

People, I am talking about the Republican presser, going on right now, where the Republicans are lying.

I do not need to placate the crowd with a disclaimer that “all politicians lie”

Good grief.

Yes.

In the presser. About Helath Care Reform.

The Republicans are LYING.

Repeated for emphasis. They’re lying about HCR. They’ve been lying about HCR for a year. Their talking points are lies.

L Y I N G .

148 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:26pm

re: #8 windsagio

(wish I could edit)

Passing the bill would be the best retort they could possibly have >>

It’s a bad bill. In time, darned near everyone will rue the day it was passed. Liberals will not want to be remembered as the people who passed this. They will be reduced to explaining that the bill is bad because Republican obstructionists made it impossible for them to get exactly what they wanted, which had it passed would have been beautiful.

But the last thing we opponents of the bill need is for this kind of ugly throwback mindset to be the most visible, loudest, and most passionate voice against a bill that ought to have failed because cool reason says we can get most of what’s good in the bill, and swallow much that is not good but isn’t all that bad either, without having to accept so much of it that’s really bad.

We of the cool reason persuasion have been dealt a painful blow. We lost the argument. We lost the vote. And it’s no fun to be in the same box as these moral degenerates who will turn on us with their trademark sneer when we bring up our next cool reason point: AGW is real and drill baby drill isn’t the answer. They will have plenty of catchy insults ready for us; leading the list, traitor.

149 simoom  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:27pm

re: #127 Silvergirl

colleagues?

Yeah sorry — it was my transcription. I did it as I watched the video.

150 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:26:32pm

re: #142 webevintage

I like pie.

Well I like pie eating puppets! I love cookie eating puppets more though.

151 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:29pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

Weiner is on MSNBC.

Well it’s half time…Switched over to the news.. Vote 1 of 3 passed..
Healthcare reform is underway…
Let’s hope for the best..If my premiums go down that will be great..
If they go up the Dems are so fucked..It’s that simple..
We vote with our pocketbooks

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:31pm

re: #142 webevintage

I like pie.

Then have some!

[DF smacks a cream pie into webvintage’s face]

/

153 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

We’ll accept your word as truth instead.

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

Yes.

In the presser. About Helath Care Reform.

The Republicans are LYING.

Repeated for emphasis. They’re lying about HCR. They’ve been lying about HCR for a year. Their talking points are lies.

L Y I N G .

Are the Dems lying at all?

155 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:43pm

re: #138 Escaped Hillbilly

And the funny thing was…the cop wasn’t stupid. The pres stepped in it big time and had to play make up over it.

That’s a novel interpretation of the president sharing the uncontroversial opinion that once a man has proved he owns the house he’s trying to get into it, he ought not be arrested.

156 GlutenFreeJesus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:46pm

Of course, they are all denying it by posting up “proof” in the form of videos that had nothing to do with the specific altercations. What a bunch of morans.

157 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:27:53pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

I wish I could say that that tendency was limited to ‘side’. Its just that right now the Republicans are doing most of the truly reprehensible things, so they’re the usually the ones being defended with that argument.

158 sandbox  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:28:12pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

Your so eloquent.

159 rurality  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:28:13pm

re: #110 keloyd

Don’t you think those huge anti-immigration rallies two years ago made a difference? I seem to recall a major re-write of some politicians stance on that subject. And once again, another “A” word, amnesty was used and skewed and tainted any rational discussion.

160 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:28:24pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Then have some!

[DF smacks a cream pie into webvintage’s face]

/

what kind?

161 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:28:28pm

re: #148 lostlakehiker

It’s a bad bill. In time, darned near everyone will rue the day it was passed. Liberals will not want to be remembered as the people who passed this. They will be reduced to explaining that the bill is bad because Republican obstructionists made it impossible for them to get exactly what they wanted, which had it passed would have been beautiful.

But the last thing we opponents of the bill need is for this kind of ugly throwback mindset to be the most visible, loudest, and most passionate voice against a bill that ought to have failed because cool reason says we can get most of what’s good in the bill, and swallow much that is not good but isn’t all that bad either, without having to accept so much of it that’s really bad.

We of the cool reason persuasion have been dealt a painful blow. We lost the argument. We lost the vote. And it’s no fun to be in the same box as these moral degenerates who will turn on us with their trademark sneer when we bring up our next cool reason point: AGW is real and drill baby drill isn’t the answer. They will have plenty of catchy insults ready for us; leading the list, traitor.

Don’t agree with you in the beginning, but definitely with the rest of your comment.

162 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:28:49pm

re: #150 Jadespring

Yeah ding for Cookie Monster!

163 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:28:52pm

re: #153 TheMatrix31

We’ll accept your word as truth instead.

Look it up. It’s that simple.

164 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:29:06pm

re: #150 Jadespring

Well I like pie eating puppets! I love cookie eating puppets more though.

Well I like pie eating puppets that are on fire!

165 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:29:13pm

re: #151 HoosierHoops

Well it’s half time…Switched over to the news.. Vote 1 of 3 passed..
Healthcare reform is underway…
Let’s hope for the best..If my premiums go down that will be great..
If they go up the Dems are so fucked..It’s that simple..
We vote with our pocketbooks

We are going to pay for it for years before it even starts. Higher taxes…yippee!!!

166 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:29:14pm

re: #148 lostlakehiker

It’s a bad bill. In time, darned near everyone will rue the day it was passed. Liberals will not want to be remembered as the people who passed this. They will be reduced to explaining that the bill is bad because Republican obstructionists made it impossible for them to get exactly what they wanted, which had it passed would have been beautiful.

But the last thing we opponents of the bill need is for this kind of ugly throwback mindset to be the most visible, loudest, and most passionate voice against a bill that ought to have failed because cool reason says we can get most of what’s good in the bill, and swallow much that is not good but isn’t all that bad either, without having to accept so much of it that’s really bad.

We of the cool reason persuasion have been dealt a painful blow. We lost the argument. We lost the vote. And it’s no fun to be in the same box as these moral degenerates who will turn on us with their trademark sneer when we bring up our next cool reason point: AGW is real and drill baby drill isn’t the answer. They will have plenty of catchy insults ready for us; leading the list, traitor.

As far as oil is concerned we have 4% of the world’s reserves. You do the math.

167 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:29:48pm

re: #151 HoosierHoops

Well it’s half time…Switched over to the news.. Vote 1 of 3 passed..
Healthcare reform is underway…
Let’s hope for the best..If my premiums go down that will be great..
If they go up the Dems are so fucked..It’s that simple..
We vote with our pocketbooks

Huh? What will happen is that your premiums go down, the quality of care will go down, waiting time will go up, and your taxes will go up. Indirect taxation, by way of inflation, will go up too. You’ll be the frog in the cookpot, not sure why you’re so uncomfortable. After all, your premiums went down.

The endless invisible ways in which you’ll pay, because there really is no such thing as a free lunch, will hurt you without informing you of the cause of your pain.

168 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:29:53pm

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are the Dems lying at all?

No, only Republicans lie.

/////

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:29:57pm

re: #159 rurality

Don’t you think those huge anti-immigration rallies two years ago made a difference? I seem to recall a major re-write of some politicians stance on that subject. And once again, another “A” word, amnesty was used and skewed and tainted any rational discussion.

Actually, the politicians tried to break it up into pieces. Thanks, Ted Kennedy.

170 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:30:00pm

re: #148 lostlakehiker

It’s a bad bill. In time, darned near everyone will rue the day it was passed.

[snip]

I won’t. I’m out of work, been out work off and on for 6 years now, a few weeks ago lost my last “connection” with any health coverage.

I’m going to celebrate when this passes. I’ll be the first in line to get whatever it is i can get. I have to spend 415 dollars retail every two month for prescriptions. I need the help. I’m going to be selfish.

You should be happy for me.

171 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:30:03pm

re: #149 simoom

Yeah sorry — it was my transcription. I did it as I watched the video.

In that case you earn an A+ for transcribing on the fly. I was thinking this is some sort of lazy proofreader getting paid for it. When these typos are made by lowly bloggers in pajamas, I say we get a pass,

172 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:30:30pm

re: #156 efuseakay

Of course, they are all denying it by posting up “proof” in the form of videos that had nothing to do with the specific altercations. What a bunch of morans.

Morans?

173 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:30:43pm

re: #155 torrentprime

Horse hockies. He refused to prove anything and then verbally abused the cop and accused him of racism. Just cause your rich don’t mean you get to act the ass to a man doing his job. We talked this out at the time and you aren’t changing my mind.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:31:10pm

re: #160 webevintage

what kind?

Lemon cream. I like lemon.

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:31:36pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

Huh? What will happen is that your premiums go down, the quality of care will go down, waiting time will go up, and your taxes will go up. Indirect taxation, by way of inflation, will go up too. You’ll be the frog in the cookpot, not sure why you’re so uncomfortable. After all, your premiums went down.

The endless invisible ways in which you’ll pay, because there really is no such thing as a free lunch, will hurt you without informing you of the cause of your pain.

I haven’t needed a doctor in 24 years. What is my bill?

176 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:31:44pm

re: #166 austin_blue
And it begins.

177 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:31:47pm

re: #173 Escaped Hillbilly

Horse hockies. He refused to prove anything and then verbally abused the cop and accused him of racism. Just cause your rich don’t mean you get to act the ass to a man doing his job. We talked this out at the time and you aren’t changing my mind.

Quite concur.

178 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:32:29pm

re: #173 Escaped Hillbilly

Horse hockies. He refused to prove anything and then verbally abused the cop and accused him of racism. Just cause your rich don’t mean you get to act the ass to a man doing his job. We talked this out at the time and you aren’t changing my mind.

I wasn’t trying to; just pointing out another (widely-held, I believe, though I won’t claim majority) opinion.

(Disagreeing with police actions = verbal abuse. Sigh.)

179 rurality  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:32:47pm

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Today of all days, thanks for reminding me to thank Ted Kennedy.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:33:21pm

re: #173 Escaped Hillbilly

Horse hockies. He refused to prove anything and then verbally abused the cop and accused him of racism. Just cause your rich don’t mean you get to act the ass to a man doing his job. We talked this out at the time and you aren’t changing my mind.

True, just ask Zsa Zsa.

181 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:33:24pm

re: #178 torrentprime

I wasn’t trying to; just pointing out another (widely-held, I believe, though I won’t claim majority) opinion.

(Disagreeing with police actions = verbal abuse. Sigh.)

You will respect my authoritah!

182 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:34:00pm

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

Morans?

mountain in the Tetons…Mt Morans

183 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:34:01pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

You know I tried to make TANSTAAFL my username but it was taken.

184 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:34:15pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

I am above Hitler-bama signs. I am above Code Pink tactics, and so are you. My objection is in 2 parts - effectiveness and general dignity for lack of a better word.

This is the 21st century. You get things done today through intermediaries like LULAC or the HEritage Foundation or the NAACP or the AARP, depending on your interests, not breaking windows in a big mob on the street or spitting on people. How many shouted ethnic slurs are equivalent to a mob of demonstrators turning over a police car? or setting fire to a McDonalds? I don’t know, but I want no part of either activity.

Gandhi and MLK did some brilliant demonstrations. Recent examples? not so much. OK dinner time for me. LATER TATERS.

185 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:35:17pm

re: #151 HoosierHoops

Well it’s half time…Switched over to the news.. Vote 1 of 3 passed..
Healthcare reform is underway…
Let’s hope for the best..If my premiums go down that will be great..
If they go up the Dems are so fucked..It’s that simple..
We vote with our pocketbooks

Upding for your optimism.

I would like to think even opponents of the bill would be hoping for the best. Anytime something gets passes that I oppose, or someone gets elected that I oppose, the best case scenario is “I hope I’m wrong. I don’t think I am, but I hope I am.”

But you’re right, the Dems are seriously fucked if this goes wrong. But if it works, the GOP is even more fucked.

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:35:24pm

re: #85 simoom

It just so happens that democratically elected representatives and a democratically elected president who ran on health care reform as part of his platform is Totalitarian when he actually attempts to pass health care reform.

The kooks are starting to run out of scary bullshit to call Democrats, aren’t they? I’ll come up with a few for the Bachmanns and Kings and Tancredos and Nunes of the country, because they just don’t seem to be that creative:

Democrats are…

Satano-fascists
Bestalinized
Antichristish
Hyperevil
Mandroids
Gigahitlers
A unholy hive mind powered by the preserved, pulsing brain of Karl Marx, secreted in a jar miles below the surface of the Castro in San Francisco

187 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:35:27pm

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

You are required to have insurance. So you will have a bill. I won’t. I have insurance, which you pay for. Bwa-ha-ha.

188 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:35:31pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Lemon cream. I like lemon.

mmmmmm lemon….

189 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:35:56pm

re: #184 keloyd

I am above Hitler-bama signs. I am above Code Pink tactics, and so are you. My objection is in 2 parts - effectiveness and general dignity for lack of a better word.

This is the 21st century. You get things done today through intermediaries like LULAC or the HEritage Foundation or the NAACP or the AARP, depending on your interests, not breaking windows in a big mob on the street or spitting on people. How many shouted ethnic slurs are equivalent to a mob of demonstrators turning over a police car? or setting fire to a McDonalds? I don’t know, but I want no part of either activity.

Gandhi and MLK did some brilliant demonstrations. Recent examples? not so much. OK dinner time for me. LATER TATERS.

such bullshit…all hindsight, nothing ventured, nothing gained

190 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:35:58pm

I wish I had a dime for every time I can see two signs calling Obama a communist and a fascist in the same screenshot.

He can’t be a socialist communist fascist Indonesian-born Kenyan-born Muslim athiest. It’s just too many things, make up your minds.

191 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:36:24pm

Where are the leaders of the Republican party when their supporters are shouting racist slurs? They are silent. Steny Hoyer asked R’s to speak out against these epitaphs but no one has, and I predict no one will, because the Tea Partiers are the base of the modern Republican party. They are the same kind of people who were co-opted by the Republican “Southern Strategy” so many years ago.

The leadership of the Republican party can not condemn them because they need them to win their elections. They continue to dance with racists and bigots because that’s who brought them to where they are today.

192 Summer Seale  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:36:46pm

Well, we’ve known for quite a long time whom we were dealing with.

I was for this on principle, but now I also hope they pass it just for spite.

193 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:37:19pm

re: #190 kobra_55

I wish I had a dime for every time I can see two signs calling Obama a communist and a fascist in the same screenshot.

He can’t be a socialist communist fascist Indonesian-born Kenyan-born Muslim athiest. It’s just too many things, make up your minds.

Yea. GWB was never called a Nazi.

194 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:37:42pm

re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar

What does that have to do with anything?

195 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:37:43pm

re: #191 JoyousMN

Where are the leaders of the Republican party when their supporters are shouting racist slurs? They are silent. Steny Hoyer asked R’s to speak out against these epitaphs but no one has, and I predict no one will, because the Tea Partiers are the base of the modern Republican party. They are the same kind of people who were co-opted by the Republican “Southern Strategy” so many years ago.

The leadership of the Republican party can not condemn them because they need them to win their elections. They continue to dance with racists and bigots because that’s who brought them to where they are today.

Many GOPers have already condemned this.

196 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:01pm

re: #159 rurality

Don’t you think those huge anti-immigration rallies two years ago made a difference? I seem to recall a major re-write of some politicians stance on that subject. And once again, another “A” word, amnesty was used and skewed and tainted any rational discussion.

DOH! That may be a good example. Still, was it talk radio drama filling the congressmen’s phone banks or people on the news? Activism works. Demonstrations? There I’m dubious, but I;ll keep a slightly open mind for now. DINNER TIME!

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:03pm

re: #191 JoyousMN

Nice broad brush.

198 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:07pm

re: #176 Escaped Hillbilly

And it begins.

Hey, EH, I’m just stating the facts. If you are OK with sucking off the Saudi tit instead of developing a domestic industry, especially manufacturing, that would allow a sane mix of renewables, nukes, and hydrocarbons, say so.

“I want us to continue to be energy slaves to the Saudis!”

Say it loud, say it proud!

199 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:20pm

re: #170 Walter L. Newton

I won’t. I’m out of work, been out work off and on for 6 years now, a few weeks ago lost my last “connection” with any health coverage.

I’m going to celebrate when this passes. I’ll be the first in line to get whatever it is i can get. I have to spend 415 dollars retail every two month for prescriptions. I need the help. I’m going to be selfish.

You should be happy for me.

No bill that’s visibly bad for everyone can pass. I’m glad you’re one of those who will come out ahead. The ones who will be hurt are today’s healthy folk, who ought to have enjoyed a future in which new and better antibiotics came along from time to time, along with futuristic surgical methods. The money that would have been invested in these will not be, now, because there won’t be any chance of pricing the product at the break-even point once it’s ready for the market.

Right now, there really isn’t any pharmaceutical industry in Europe. Not one with a big-time R&D arm. Same for surgery. With the U.S. out of the picture, the whole engine of progress grinds to a halt.

This does no harm at all, not right away. But over time, the difference between where we are, and where we would have been, widens.

200 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:29pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

It just so happens that democratically elected representatives and a democratically elected president who ran on health care reform as part of his platform is Totalitarian when he actually attempts to pass health care reform.

The kooks are starting to run out of scary bullshit to call Democrats, aren’t they? I’ll come up with a few for the Bachmanns and Kings and Tancredos and Nunes of the country, because they just don’t seem to be that creative:

Democrats are…

Satano-fascists
Bestalinized
Antichristish
Hyperevil
Mandroids
Gigahitlers
A unholy hive mind powered by the preserved, pulsing brain of Karl Marx, secreted in a jar miles below the surface of the Castro in San Francisco

Haha the image of Marx’s brain giving orders from below the surface in Castro is too funny man. Wish I could draw because that’d be fun.

201 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:45pm

re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nazi-fascist-hitler-dumbass-monkey-hater-elitist-cowboy-religiowhacko is what I remember, to say the least.

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:52pm

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

I haven’t needed a doctor in 24 years. What is my bill?

Do you get checkups? Do you get physicals? Do you get cancer screening if you’re of the age where they’re recommended? Have you ever needed a prescription?

203 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #191 JoyousMN

Where are the leaders of the Republican party when their supporters are shouting racist slurs? They are silent. Steny Hoyer asked R’s to speak out against these epitaphs but no one has, and I predict no one will, because the Tea Partiers are the base of the modern Republican party. They are the same kind of people who were co-opted by the Republican “Southern Strategy” so many years ago.

The leadership of the Republican party can not condemn them because they need them to win their elections. They continue to dance with racists and bigots because that’s who brought them to where they are today.

You really don’t know the party affiliation of those protesters. From what I understand the protesters of this health bill crossed all party lines. Don’t tell me there isn’t any racism in any of the other parties.

204 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:38:56pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

Huh? What will happen is that your premiums go down, the quality of care will go down, waiting time will go up, and your taxes will go up. Indirect taxation, by way of inflation, will go up too. You’ll be the frog in the cookpot, not sure why you’re so uncomfortable. After all, your premiums went down.

The endless invisible ways in which you’ll pay, because there really is no such thing as a free lunch, will hurt you without informing you of the cause of your pain.

So let me get this straight.. My premiums go down..The quality care of my doctor will go down…( not sure why..But maybe he secretly hates me)
My waiting time will go up…Cause he will have so many patients he won’t be able to afford nursing help..Am i following you?
I pay 38 dollars less federal taxes a month under Obama than I did under Bush…I’m willing to give up 37 bucks a month so Walter can get his free pills or whatever…Not a penny more…

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:39:14pm

re: #194 kobra_55

What does that have to do with anything?

Read your own post.

206 sandbox  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:39:27pm

One of the bill’s provisions is to allow a parent to keep their children on their family health plan until the child is 25 years old. Why not until 30 or 35?

207 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:39:36pm

re: #40 tradewind

Do you have a link? I had not heard this.

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:39:48pm

re: #202 WindUpBird

Do you get checkups? Do you get physicals? Do you get cancer screening if you’re of the age where they’re recommended? Have you ever needed a prescription?

No to all.

209 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:40:02pm

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

It seems like you’re saying because the left did it to Bush it’s OK that the right is doing the same thing to Obama. I condemned it when the left did it to Bush and I’m condemning it now.

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:40:18pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

You really don’t know the party affiliation of those protesters. From what I understand the protesters of this health bill crossed all party lines. Don’t tell me there isn’t any racism in any of the other parties.


hahahaaha you just never quit with your foolishness

NO IT”S ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ALL PROTESTING AND CALLING OBAMA A MONKEY

211 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:40:28pm

re: #184 keloyd

In general I agree. But there are some who still use demonstrations to make a point, grab headlines, without going bozo in the process. I recently saw where three gay former military officers handcuffed themselves to the gates of the WH (I think it was WH, might have been some other govt bldg). They were quiet and polite as were the police that cut them lose and arrested them. Nobody screamed, fought, or spit. Point made, and that was all.

212 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:40:34pm

re: #198 austin_blue

Hey, EH, I’m just stating the facts. If you are OK with sucking off the Saudi tit instead of developing a domestic industry, especially manufacturing, that would allow a sane mix of renewables, nukes, and hydrocarbons, say so.

“I want us to continue to be energy slaves to the Saudis!”

Say it loud, say it proud!

amen brother!…praise be independence!…halleluja!

213 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:40:43pm

re: #191 JoyousMN

Right Here

214 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:40:51pm

re: #191 JoyousMN

Where are the leaders of the Republican party when their supporters are shouting racist slurs? They are silent. Steny Hoyer asked R’s to speak out against these epitaphs but no one has, and I predict no one will, because the Tea Partiers are the base of the modern Republican party. They are the same kind of people who were co-opted by the Republican “Southern Strategy” so many years ago.

The leadership of the Republican party can not condemn them because they need them to win their elections. They continue to dance with racists and bigots because that’s who brought them to where they are today.

Here. And here.

215 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:41:16pm

re: #206 sandbox

One of the bill’s provisions is to allow a parent to keep their children on their family health plan until the child is 25 years old. Why not until 30 or 35?

I’ll play, why not?

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:41:18pm

re: #209 kobra_55

It seems like you’re saying because the left did it to Bush it’s OK that the right is doing the same thing to Obama. I condemned it when the left did it to Bush and I’m condemning it now.

Me as well. So we are on the same page. President Obama is my President.

217 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:41:56pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

hahahaaha you just never quit with your foolishness

NO IT”S ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ALL PROTESTING AND CALLING OBAMA A MONKEY

Could be. Are you saying Democrats are above racism?

218 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:42:00pm

re: #207 JoyousMN

Do you have a link? I had not heard this.

Me either, can’t recall hearing anything from Boehner, except for his direction that everyone act their age after the vote tonight.

219 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:42:15pm

I’ll give Boehner, Steele, and Pence credit for condemning the slurs but it stinks that there are people in the Republican caucus like King and Nunes who while not out right condoning them aren’t condemning them either. What Frank’s sexuality and Lewis and the others’ race has to do with this I have no idea.

220 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:42:34pm

re: #185 Soap_Man
Neither side is. They’ll play it off and blame each other. Some will get voted out. Most won’t. Wanna bet?

221 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:42:48pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

man we keep coming back to people saying they’re Dem plants.

Any minute now, somebody will mention how more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act than dems did, and that proves they’re the actual people holding racist signs and calling black people n——-s.

222 avanti  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:42:50pm

Buy guns and gold./ From Hot Air:

“Folks, I just put in large orders for gold and ammo today. I don’t know what else to do. I fear for my children’s future. Here’s to hoping there are still plenty of brave minuteman who care about the Republic.”

223 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:02pm

re: #206 sandbox

One of the bill’s provisions is to allow a parent to keep their children on their family health plan until the child is 25 years old. Why not until 30 or 35?

25 is an important age because many college graduates, especially in this economy, are not getting good jobs with good benefits (if they get a job at all.) It’s taking longer than it has in the past to get settled in a good career.

I didn’t get full health care coverage until I was 24. I would have killed for this provision.

224 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:17pm

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

So I guess next time I condemn the anti-Obama signs I should be sure to reference the anti-Bush signs as well so nobody thinks I’m a partisan hack. Duly noted.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:20pm

re: #217 NJDhockeyfan

Could be. Are you saying Democrats are above racism?

Dems use minority causes to further their career. POINT BLANK!!

226 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:25pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

hahahaaha you just never quit with your foolishness

NO IT”S ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ALL PROTESTING AND CALLING OBAMA A MONKEY

easy with the screaming..and that’s not what he said…your argument is worthless when you make things up,,,you can break the habit if you want

227 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

hahahaaha you just never quit with your foolishness

NO IT”S ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ALL PROTESTING AND CALLING OBAMA A MONKEY

Did you watch the debate earlier? Was it me or didn’t most of the GOP congressmen sounded like they were all auditioning for the part of Jefferson Davis ‘Boss’ Hogg from the Duke of Hazzard.

228 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #206 sandbox

One of the bill’s provisions is to allow a parent to keep their children on their family health plan until the child is 25 years old. Why not until 30 or 35?

If they are in college or graduate school.

229 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:31pm

re: #199 lostlakehiker

No bill that’s visibly bad for everyone can pass. I’m glad you’re one of those who will come out ahead. The ones who will be hurt are today’s healthy folk, who ought to have enjoyed a future in which new and better antibiotics came along from time to time, along with futuristic surgical methods. The money that would have been invested in these will not be, now, because there won’t be any chance of pricing the product at the break-even point once it’s ready for the market.

Right now, there really isn’t any pharmaceutical industry in Europe. Not one with a big-time R&D arm. Same for surgery. With the U.S. out of the picture, the whole engine of progress grinds to a halt.

This does no harm at all, not right away. But over time, the difference between where we are, and where we would have been, widens.

You don’t think our politicians have already thought this all out? No one is going to suffer. This is for the good of the whole country for once. Not just big business or special interest. They have nothing to do with this anymore. The difference is where were were going, not where we’ve been.

230 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:35pm

re: #222 avanti

Buy guns and gold./ From Hot Air:

“Folks, I just put in large orders for gold and ammo today. I don’t know what else to do. I fear for my children’s future. Here’s to hoping there are still plenty of brave minuteman who care about the Republic.”

When in doubt buy more gold and ammo.
and pie.
Lots and lots of pie.

231 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:43:44pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

hahahaaha you just never quit with your foolishness

NO IT”S ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ALL PROTESTING AND CALLING OBAMA A MONKEY

You’ve shown yourself capable of much more civil discourse than this.

You just woke up. Okay.

232 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:44:33pm

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar

No to all.

Might want to start if you’re not young. Just saying. One of my coworkers went in for a routine checkup at age 53, BAM, now she’s in chemo because they found cancer.

Also, if you got into the car accident my friend did four years ago, you’ll definitely need a doctor. And years of physical therapy. And some specialized TNENS equipment to deal with your aggrvated back injury. Oh, and surgery for that hernia that was complicated by the impact.

Or the hit-and-run my other friend was a victim of ten years ago, that fractured his skull shattered his knee, and put him in the ICU. You’ll probably need a doctor for that! He was bankrupted by that, see, because his call center job didn’t give him health insurance.

You may think you’re tough and that you won’t ever need health care. One day you will.

233 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:44:35pm

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dems use minority causes to further their career. POINT BLANK!!

Right. And Lee Atwater didn’t create the Southern Strategy and the States Rights movement.

Republicans use minority causes to further their career. POINT BLANK!!

234 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:45:04pm

re: #231 Silvergirl

You’ve shown yourself capable of much more civil discourse than this.

You just woke up. Okay.

Sadly, the republican party has not.

235 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:45:07pm

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dems use minority causes to further their career. POINT BLANK!!

agreed…a long, well documented history of subsidizing the poor for example

236 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:45:10pm

I looked at the NYTimes and googled…I didn’t see any Republicans (besides Steve King’s crazy remarks) disowning these actions. I apologize if there were.

But do people here honestly don’t think that there hasn’t been years of dog whistle racism from GOP leadership? One of the things that I think separates right from left is this idea that some undeserving person is getting something they don’t deserve. And often times it’s implied that that person is one of color.

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:45:41pm

re: #222 avanti

Buy guns and gold./ From Hot Air:

“Folks, I just put in large orders for gold and ammo today. I don’t know what else to do. I fear for my children’s future. Here’s to hoping there are still plenty of brave minuteman who care about the Republic.”

HEAD FOR THE HILLS! BUY GUNZ!! BUY GOLD!!1 BUY SURVIVAL SEEDS!!!111 BUY MY BOOK!!11111111

/Glen Beck

238 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:46:31pm

re: #220 Escaped Hillbilly

Neither side is. They’ll play it off and blame each other.

They will. But if the bill is a success and the GOP tries to pass blame on the Dems (how they would do that is beyond me) or if the bill fails to lower costs and Dems try to blame the GOP… well… both situations would be silly arguments. And people will see that.

Some will get voted out. Most won’t. Wanna bet?

No, I won’t bet. That’s how it always works.

239 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:46:35pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

LOL survival seeds!

240 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:46:46pm

re: #234 McSpiff

Sadly, the republican party has not.

This is true. I was talking about Windsagio. We’ve already talked abut the Republicans.

241 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:46:57pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

That’s almost as annoying as the people who actually say that stuff.

Just saying.

242 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:47:13pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

It just so happens that democratically elected representatives and a democratically elected president who ran on health care reform as part of his platform is Totalitarian when he actually attempts to pass health care reform.

The kooks are starting to run out of scary bullshit to call Democrats, aren’t they? I’ll come up with a few for the Bachmanns and Kings and Tancredos and Nunes of the country, because they just don’t seem to be that creative:

Democrats are…

Satano-fascists
Bestalinized
Antichristish
Hyperevil
Mandroids
Gigahitlers
A unholy hive mind powered by the preserved, pulsing brain of Karl Marx, secreted in a jar miles below the surface of the Castro in San Francisco

Democrats are none of these. The worst word I can find for them now is mistaken. They really do seem to believe that this bill will work. They believe, I guess, that when they promise the same dollar to two causes, shoring up medicare, and funding this new program, that they can spend it twice.

They believe because they want to believe, which is not reprehensible, it’s just misguided. The things they project cannot possibly come to pass. The true future before us must more closely resemble the train wreck that is the Massachusetts version of this bill, than the rosy predictions we have been fed.

But you Dems are our fellow citizens. You’re not fascists. You’re not Communists. You’re not the enemy. For our common good, we can now only hope that when you find that you don’t yourself like this bill, you can bring yourselves to enact most of the fixes it badly needs. It wasn’t all bad, after all. Forbidding insurance companies to rescind coverage on any old excuse, when somebody gets a diagnosis that’s going to be expensive, is just common justice, for instance.

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:47:14pm

re: #222 avanti

Buy guns and gold./ From Hot Air:

“Folks, I just put in large orders for gold and ammo today. I don’t know what else to do. I fear for my children’s future. Here’s to hoping there are still plenty of brave minuteman who care about the Republic.”

So, when the worst happens as this person fears, what is the gold for? Throwing at census workers brownshirts?

244 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:47:35pm

re: #241 TheMatrix31

I disagree. I thought it was hilarious!

245 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:47:39pm

re: #240 Silvergirl

And yet you responded to WUB… ;)

246 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:47:52pm

re: #230 webevintage

When in doubt buy more gold and ammo.
and pie.
Lots and lots of pie.

you don’t need to be in doubt to buy more guns and gold…see the rise in prices for both…my gold is worth nearly five times what I paid for it…and ammo has skyrocketed…what’s your beef?…common sense is not a scary partisan meme, no matter how much you want it to be

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:48:34pm

re: #217 NJDhockeyfan

Could be. Are you saying Democrats are above racism?

Of course not. But here’s the difference:

Democrats are racist. In a disorganized way. Like average people are. My mother is sorta racist. My grandmother was SCREAMING racist.

Republicans are using racism as an organized tool from the top down, as a party strategy to dogwhistle tribalism, demonize the president as the Other, and thus win elections.

And seething throngs of demonstrators calling Democrats every slur their stunted minds can think of, waving signs about Obama being a monkey, those guys aren’t liberals. Those are people ginned up not by Democrats, but by far-right Republicansm and conservative radio mouthpieces. There are Republican representatives now, at this very moment, trying to minimize the racism of right wing demostrators.

Ignore it or don’t! I choose not to ignore it. This blog chooses not to ignore it.

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:48:37pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

Might want to start if you’re not young. Just saying. One of my coworkers went in for a routine checkup at age 53, BAM, now she’s in chemo because they found cancer.

Also, if you got into the car accident my friend did four years ago, you’ll definitely need a doctor. And years of physical therapy. And some specialized TNENS equipment to deal with your aggrvated back injury. Oh, and surgery for that hernia that was complicated by the impact.

Or the hit-and-run my other friend was a victim of ten years ago, that fractured his skull shattered his knee, and put him in the ICU. You’ll probably need a doctor for that! He was bankrupted by that, see, because his call center job didn’t give him health insurance.

You may think you’re tough and that you won’t ever need health care. One day you will.

The last time I saw a doctor, I ended up in the hospital. I know people who were fine and saw a doctor and ended up with 8 scripts. I’ll pass.

249 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:48:40pm

re: #245 windsagio

And yet you responded to WUB… ;)

I don’t understand your comment or your wink.

250 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:48:44pm

re: #241 TheMatrix31

That’s almost as annoying as the people who actually say that stuff.

Just saying.

Sorry, Matrix. It’s just that some of the rantings we’ve gotten on this bill are so annoying that I have to do that crazy act just to release my irritation.

251 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:48:55pm

re: #236 JoyousMN

I looked at the NYTimes and googled…I didn’t see any Republicans (besides Steve King’s crazy remarks) disowning these actions. I apologize if there were.

But do people here honestly don’t think that there hasn’t been years of dog whistle racism from GOP leadership? One of the things that I think separates right from left is this idea that some undeserving person is getting something they don’t deserve. And often times it’s implied that that person is one of color.

You don’t look very hard…

foxnews.com

252 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:49:28pm

re: #244 kobra_55

I don’t come onto political blogs to read a bunch of mangled nonsense filled with exclamation points, repeated use of the number “one”, and capital letters.

I get enough immaturity out of the people I associate with on a daily basis.

253 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:49:43pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

Of course not. But here’s the difference:

Democrats are racist. In a disorganized way. Like average people are. My mother is sorta racist. My grandmother was SCREAMING racist.

Republicans are using racism as an organized tool from the top down, as a party strategy to dogwhistle tribalism, demonize the president as the Other, and thus win elections.

And seething throngs of demonstrators calling Democrats every slur their stunted minds can think of, waving signs about Obama being a monkey, those guys aren’t liberals. Those are people ginned up not by Democrats, but by far-right Republicansm and conservative radio mouthpieces. There are Republican representatives now, at this very moment, trying to minimize the racism of right wing demostrators.

Ignore it or don’t! I choose not to ignore it. This blog chooses not to ignore it.

Wonderfully said, favourited.

254 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:03pm

re: #249 Silvergirl

in the post up there, you were responding to WindUpBird (WUB) not to me, which I thought was funny considering you then said you were talking to me :D

255 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:04pm

re: #228 austin_blue

If they are in college or graduate school.

Or unemployed or if they have a job with no insurance.

Really, it is just making insurance companies allow you to keep your adult children on your insurance longer.

(and before anyone wants to repeat the other night I’ll say it all:
We need another depression to teach these lazy ass kids who won’t strike out on their own at 18 personal responsibility.
Because my husband’s life was hard when he was 17 I see no reason why any parent should want to help their kids out.
YOU ARE AN ADULT AT 18 IN THIS COUNTRY.
Person 1: I don’t want to support others people’s kids.
Me: no taxpayer money involved.
Person 2: you can’t ask taxpayers to pay for other people ADULT CHILDREN to stay on their family insurance plan.
Me and others: head desk head desk and wocka wocka wocka)

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:32pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

I’m with ya.:) ding

257 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:33pm

re: #253 McSpiff

only thing I could have added would be ‘and they’ve been using this tactic since about 1970’.

258 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:42pm

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dems use minority causes to further their career. POINT BLANK!!

Voting your interests is a little different than calling for the president’s Nirth Certifikit. ;-)

Wow, look at all those black republicans in the House of Representatives! Oh wait, those are all from Reconstruction.

Southern Strategy. Look that shit up, please.

259 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:43pm

re: #236 JoyousMN

I looked at the NYTimes and googled…I didn’t see any Republicans (besides Steve King’s crazy remarks) disowning these actions. I apologize if there were.

But do people here honestly don’t think that there hasn’t been years of dog whistle racism from GOP leadership? One of the things that I think separates right from left is this idea that some undeserving person is getting something they don’t deserve. And often times it’s implied that that person is one of color.

That was your first mistake. ;)

Well, I’m out. Have a good Sunday everyone.

260 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:50:50pm

re: #252 TheMatrix31

Of course if there was a bunch of it, it would probably cease to be funny and become annoying. Where else have you see it on this thread?

261 sandbox  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:51:54pm

The way to reduce health care costs is to have the consumer (the patient) take an interest in lowering the cost. Now, all we do is ask our Dr. or specialist: Do you take my health plan.? If yes, then we pay our co-pay or deductable and that’s it. The patients don’t care what the overall cost is. If that changes, you can lower costs in a major way. The Democrats just want to legislate lower costs, which will leed to rationing of health care. They want a gov’t run health care system

262 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:51:58pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

Republicans are using racism as an organized tool from the top down, as a party strategy to dogwhistle tribalism, demonize the president as the Other, and thus win elections.

What rubbish…

263 KernelPanic  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:52:22pm

re: #199 lostlakehiker

… The money that would have been invested in these will not be, now, because there won’t be any chance of pricing the product at the break-even point once it’s ready for the market.

Right now, there really isn’t any pharmaceutical industry in Europe. Not one with a big-time R&D arm. Same for surgery. With the U.S. out of the picture, the whole engine of progress grinds to a halt.

As a biotechnology entrepreneur & business owner I feel somewhat qualified to call out the above statement as complete and total bullshit.

Wanna know why there is no R&D in Europe? It’s because they’ve all relocated their research divisions to the USA - two tiny examples from the Boston area include Merck and Novartis, both of whom are concentrating global R&D on the East Coast of the US.

264 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:52:29pm

re: #260 kobra_55

Of course if there was a bunch of it, it would probably cease to be funny and become annoying. Where else have you see it on this thread?

go look for yourself…take it on the surface, or leave it alone

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:52:37pm

re: #258 WindUpBird

Voting your interests is a little different than calling for the president’s Nirth Certifikit. ;-)

Wow, look at all those black republicans in the House of Representatives! Oh wait, those are all from Reconstruction.

Southern Strategy. Look that shit up, please.

I’ll start with Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice.

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:52:37pm

re: #231 Silvergirl

You’ve shown yourself capable of much more civil discourse than this.

You just woke up. Okay.

I’m not civil to the same mindless tu quoque crap I’ve heard from him for ages. When someone says the same stupid stuff over and over again? I start making mocking them.

267 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:52:39pm
268 freetoken  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:52:53pm

Next up… about which the HotWingNuts and Tea Partiers to enrage themselves, no doubt… is immigration reform:

Broken Borders: Will Immigration Reform Be Next?

Renata Teodoro will come to Washington, D.C., Sunday to prod lawmakers to grant her the “American” status she’s long desired.

Teodoro, 22, has been an undocumented resident for 16 years. Her mother, sister and brother were deported to Brazil in 2007.

This weekend, Teodoro will join thousands of activists and immigrants who will descend on the nation’s capital to urge Congress and President Obama to act on immigration reform.

“I want to see them have courage” to pass an immigration reform bill, Teodoro said.

Seeing an end in sight for the health care debate, dozens of grassroots organizations have upped the pressure on lawmakers to take up the issue of immigration reform. But with little political capital left to spare and Democrats facing a grueling fight ahead in the midterm elections, experts say the chances for immigration reform happening in the near future look to be slim to none.

That last phrase is interesting. I do agree that the President is likely to focus on Financial Reform as the next big thing. However, both the forces for immigration reform and the xenophobes are increasing the volume of political rhetoric, and I suspect that will be too tempting for some politicians.

269 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:11pm

re: #254 windsagio

in the post up there, you were responding to WindUpBird (WUB) not to me, which I thought was funny considering you then said you were talking to me :D

Oh, got it. I always mix you two up since you’re friends, I suppose. WUB is usually more wordy and you’re more succinct and winky smiley. I’ll have to pay closer attention.

270 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:15pm

Flounce!

271 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:18pm

Is that a flounce I smell?

272 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:19pm

re: #260 kobra_55

Post 95. Post 210.

Whatever. I dont care that much, it’s not surprising to see that around the internet.

273 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:23pm

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man I wish it were acceptable to talk about tokenism >>

274 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:27pm

re: #267 Steel Turman

Thanks for playing.

275 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:27pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

Of course not. But here’s the difference:

Democrats are racist. In a disorganized way. Like average people are. My mother is sorta racist. My grandmother was SCREAMING racist.

Republicans are using racism as an organized tool from the top down, as a party strategy to dogwhistle tribalism, demonize the president as the Other, and thus win elections.

And seething throngs of demonstrators calling Democrats every slur their stunted minds can think of, waving signs about Obama being a monkey, those guys aren’t liberals. Those are people ginned up not by Democrats, but by far-right Republicansm and conservative radio mouthpieces. There are Republican representatives now, at this very moment, trying to minimize the racism of right wing demostrators.

Ignore it or don’t! I choose not to ignore it. This blog chooses not to ignore it.

The leaders are condemning the racists remarks. You act like this never happens in the Democrat party. Did you forget about the racism problem Democrat party had during the primaries? It was pretty bad.

276 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:30pm

Thanks for the links. I see that two Republican leaders did say something. Good for them.

My point is that there was a calculated strategy, first articulated by Lee Atwater to court southern racists, and this strategy may have morphed, but it still has implications in today’s electorate, as witnessed by the actions of the tea partiers yesterday. Fear of the “other” is a powerful human motivator.

277 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:36pm

re: #262 astronmr20

What rubbish…

Pretty much.

278 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:39pm

re: #270 austin_blue

Flounce!

and so boring…

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:48pm

re: #262 astronmr20

What rubbish…

Southern Strategy, look it up!

Or don’t, and continue to delude yourself.

280 Soap_Man  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:53:54pm

re: #267 Steel Turman

I was about to leave. Luckily I caught the flounce!!!

I always seem to miss those…

281 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:54:01pm

re: #270 austin_blue

I always wanna upding those, they’re funny :)

282 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:54:07pm

# 267.

We have a flounce!

283 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:54:18pm
284 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:54:42pm

re: #271 webevintage

Is that a flounce I smell?

no…let’s not redefine even that term….grow up

285 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:54:48pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

Of course not. But here’s the difference:

Democrats are racist. In a disorganized way. Like average people are. My mother is sorta racist. My grandmother was SCREAMING racist.

[snip]

Did you have to go to school or take some real special course in order to develop a rhetorical style like that, because it’s rather unique… and transparent.

286 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:55:04pm

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you notice that it was 28 posts in 6 years? Registered in 2004.

287 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:55:10pm

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

The leaders are condemning the racists remarks. You act like this never happens in the Democrat party. Did you forget about the racism problem Democrat party had during the primaries? It was pretty bad.

Of course he did.

288 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:55:14pm

re: #271 webevintage

Is that a flounce I smell?


Another from the class of 2004!

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:55:54pm

re: #267 Steel Turman

That’s the problem right there. Not “difference of opinion”, not “ideological opponent”, but “the enemy”.

That is the kind of hyperbolic demonization that destroys any chance for reasonable discussion/debate. Childish.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:55:56pm

re: #267 Steel Turman

We are going to miss all your wisdom and input you’ve added to LGF over the years./////

Registered since: Aug 30, 2004 at 7:25 pm
No. of comments posted: 27
No. of links posted: 0

291 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:55:57pm

re: #279 WindUpBird

Southern Strategy, look it up!

Or don’t, and continue to delude yourself.

I’m sorry, to what what time period are you referring?

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:56:01pm

re: #286 kobra_55

Did you notice that it was 28 posts in 6 years? Registered in 2004.

Something about 2004. I am 2005, thank goodness!!:)

293 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:56:05pm

re: #199 lostlakehiker


Right now, there really isn’t any pharmaceutical industry in Europe. Not one with a big-time R&D arm. Same for surgery. With the U.S. out of the picture, the whole engine of progress grinds to a halt.

Glaxo is based where?

294 DaddyLawBucks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:56:24pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

D’nile, my friend, is not just a river in egypt.

295 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:56:30pm

re: #276 JoyousMN

Thanks for the links. I see that two Republican leaders did say something. Good for them.

My point is that there was a calculated strategy, first articulated by Lee Atwater to court southern racists, and this strategy may have morphed, but it still has implications in today’s electorate, as witnessed by the actions of the tea partiers yesterday. Fear of the “other” is a powerful human motivator.

Yea… Like Michael Steele… do you wonder why you have not been able to find any articles on the fact that Steele did make a statement speaking out against the racist comments? Or maybe it just wasn’t news?

296 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:57:21pm

re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth

That, and painting entire sides as institutional, organized racists.

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58:02pm

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

The leaders are condemning the racists remarks. You act like this never happens in the Democrat party. Did you forget about the racism problem Democrat party had during the primaries? It was pretty bad.

Some are condemning (the smart ones, like Boehner), some are making them, and some are minimizing them.

Of course I remember Hillary V. Obama, and Hillary dogwhistling the Muslim stuff, sure! I got into far more heated arguments than anything I’ve ever done here, with friends of mine who supported Hillary despite her dogwhistling. “As far as I know…” and so on. And it backfired on her, because Democrats don’t want to hear it.

That’s the difference. We don’t have a Tancredo in our primary. We don’t hve a Rush Limbaugh saying racist shit every single day, broadcasting it to millions of loyal Republicans who hang on every word. We dont’ have a Bachmann in congress, a Nunes, a King. We don’t have Sarah Palin dogwhistling about the real (WHITE) America. We don’t have these problems. We have other problems. But these are YOUR problems.

298 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58:05pm

re: #291 astronmr20

I guess you’ve chosen “Continue to delude yourself”.

To answer tho’, its ongoing. It’s generally argued that Nixon started it tho’.

299 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58:17pm

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

This has been debated here before. Dems may have hated Thomas and thought Rice was not competent, but there was no organized grass-root type effort based on their race. I agree that the Oliphant comic was over-the-top, but not race based opposition from Dems, in ways that the birthers are.

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58:29pm

re: #294 daddylawbucks

D’nile, my friend, is not just a river in egypt.

Well, I should get a cold shot, flu shot, pig flu shot and a bird flu shot right now. Especially since I haven’t had a cold or flu in 13 years.

301 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58:31pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

So.

Is that civil enough for you, Silvergirl? :D

302 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:58:46pm

re: #204 HoosierHoops

So let me get this straight.. My premiums go down..The quality care of my doctor will go down…( not sure why..But maybe he secretly hates me)
My waiting time will go up…Cause he will have so many patients he won’t be able to afford nursing help..Am i following you?
I pay 38 dollars less federal taxes a month under Obama than I did under Bush…I’m willing to give up 37 bucks a month so Walter can get his free pills or whatever…Not a penny more…

Your doctor will not be followed into medical school by a comparably talented successor. They’re cutting medicare payments to below the break-even point. Who wants to go into that kind of a line of work?

Also, they propose to require that all nursing and medical schools hire and graduate people on a strict proportional basis to their numbers in the population. That’s bound to cut into the ranks of Jewish doctors, say, and the ones who will be admitted in their place will have had MCAT scores that place them well below the ten-percentile mark among those now rejected for admission. [I know this from direct report of relatives who worked for a medical school, and there is ample published proof of this assertion. The Backe case brought a lot of the evidence to light, for instance.]

How is this even open to argument? Of course quality goes down when the federal government takes over. Anyone with experience at DMV, post office, or trying to straighten something out with the IRS intuitively understands this point. Government, and entities that may as well be part of the government, such as today’s GM, aren’t in business to tend to the needs and desires of their customers.


Oh, and you’re paying far more taxes than you realize. The government is running an enormous deficit. Your share is probably about $5000 a year. The deficit spending comes out of somebody’s pocket, somewhere. Just who ends up paying is a bit like musical chairs, and you never know who won’t be able to find a seat when the music stops, but somebody’s gonna pay. You cannot expect to be the one who escapes paying.

303 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:04pm

re: #282 astronmr20

# 267.

We have a flounce!

Good. We’ve got our Sunday night BBQ. I’ll go set up the grill. If there are any other trolls watching, please post. We need at least two trolls to have enough to feed the lizards online tonight.

304 freetoken  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:06pm

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

Yea… Like Michael Steele… do you wonder why you have not been able to find any articles on the fact that Steele did make a statement speaking out against the racist comments? Or maybe it just wasn’t news?

It’s in the article that Yahoo News has from McClatchy, on its front page:

GOP, Tea Party try to distance themselves from racial taunts

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele told NBC Sunday that the behavior of some protesters isn’t a “reflection of the movement, of the Republican Party when you have idiots out there saying stupid things.”

305 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:12pm

Hoyer just said “I want to honor all the punk staffers that helped get this bill to the floor”

WTG Boehner!

306 webevintage  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:29pm

re: #284 albusteve

no…let’s not redefine even that term…grow up

Grow up?
Nevah!

307 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:41pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Too bad they didn’t stick around to do the Butthurt Fandango for us.

308 DaddyLawBucks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:41pm

BBL

309 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 3:59:54pm

re: #296 TheMatrix31

That, and painting entire sides as institutional, organized racists.

heh…laddi da!…someone just said in passing that average people are racist…ho hum

310 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:00:07pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

What tripe.

No Palin fan here, but you have degraded into broad-brushing the Republican party as Racist. In strategy and in practice. Utter silliness.

The “real” America? So she was talking about the “white” America?

Come on…

311 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:00:12pm

re: #263 KernelPanic

Actually you made his point. They relocated to where it would benefit them the most. They will do so again. But to where? China?

312 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:00:21pm

re: #293 Conservative Moonbat

Glaxo is based where?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Here’s the top 10 pharmacutical companies:

1 Novartis Switzerland
2 Pfizer USA
3 Bayer Germany
4 GlaxoSmithKline United Kingdom
5 Johnson and Johnson USA
6 Sanofi-Aventis France
7 Hoffmann–La Roche Switzerland
8 AstraZeneca UK/Sweden
9 Merck & Co. USA
10 Abbott Laboratories USA

313 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:00:43pm

re: #299 JoyousMN

This has been debated here before. Dems may have hated Thomas and thought Rice was not competent, but there was no organized grass-root type effort based on their race. I agree that the Oliphant comic was over-the-top, but not race based opposition from Dems, in ways that the birthers are.

Rice is one of my favorite Republicans. If she ran for president, I might vote for her. A lot of my liberal friends are the same way, because they correctly saw her as a moderate voice in the Bush administration, along with Colin Powell.

Remember, Birthers are IN CONGRESS. They’re not just loony wackos. They’re elected loony wackos.

314 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:01:07pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Good. We’ve got our Sunday night BBQ. I’ll go set up the grill. If there are any other trolls watching, please post. We need at least two trolls to have enough to feed the lizards online tonight.

I’ll pass. That one was so damn tiny, it would only arouse my appetite without bedding it back down.

315 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:01:08pm

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

OK, besides Steele what other African-American is in leadership in the Republican party?

316 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:01:15pm

re: #298 windsagio

I guess you’ve chosen “Continue to delude yourself”.

To answer tho’, its ongoing. It’s generally argued that Nixon started it tho’.

No, I’ve chosen to read what you asked me to, and I simply asked you which time period.

To assert that the Republican party is using racism in it’s overall strategy is simply baseless.

317 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:01:45pm

re: #291 astronmr20

I’m sorry, to what what time period are you referring?

First used by Nixon in ‘68. Perfected by Atwater:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he’s campaigned on since 1964 and that’s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.
Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “n*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*****”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n*****, n*****.”[7]

en.wikipedia.org

318 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:01:50pm

re: #315 JoyousMN

OK, besides Steele what other African-American is in leadership in the Republican party?

[crickets]

319 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:02:02pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

You’re the one that’s taking away “real = WHITE” from those statements.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:02:28pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

That’s the difference. We don’t have a Tancredo in our primary. We don’t hve a Rush Limbaugh saying racist shit every single day, broadcasting it to millions of loyal Republicans who hang on every word. We dont’ have a Bachmann in congress, a Nunes, a King. We don’t have Sarah Palin dogwhistling about the real (WHITE) America. We don’t have these problems. We have other problems. But these are YOUR problems.

No but you’ve have a Robert Byrd for many many years and you might get a Tom Metzger if he gets voted in. Fine folks you got there in your party. Add to that Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton and you have racists of different colors.

321 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:02:35pm

re: #315 JoyousMN

OK, besides Steele what other African-American is in leadership in the Republican party?

There were a lot more in the previous cabinet. Some of very high importance.

322 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:03:41pm

re: #309 albusteve

heh…laddi da!…someone just said in passing that average people are racist…ho hum

We are all racist to the extent that we judge people based on their appearances. That is human nature.

The decisive factor is just the extent to which we are allow this natural human prjudice to to influence the decisions we make about people and how to react to and interact with them. Do we find it grounds to deny them constitutional rights? To exclude them from certain schools, trades and professions? And do we find it grounds to shout abuse at them in public?

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:03:41pm

re: #315 JoyousMN

OK, besides Steele what other African-American is in leadership in the Republican party?

Jesse Jackson, Reverend White, Al Sharpton, wait…

324 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:04:26pm

Anyone watching C-span?

325 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:04:41pm

re: #302 lostlakehiker

Your doctor will not be followed into medical school by a comparably talented successor. They’re cutting medicare payments to below the break-even point. Who wants to go into that kind of a line of work?

Also, they propose to require that all nursing and medical schools hire and graduate people on a strict proportional basis to their numbers in the population. That’s bound to cut into the ranks of Jewish doctors, say, and the ones who will be admitted in their place will have had MCAT scores that place them well below the ten-percentile mark among those now rejected for admission. [I know this from direct report of relatives who worked for a medical school, and there is ample published proof of this assertion. The Backe case brought a lot of the evidence to light, for instance.]

How is this even open to argument? Of course quality goes down when the federal government takes over. Anyone with experience at DMV, post office, or trying to straighten something out with the IRS intuitively understands this point. Government, and entities that may as well be part of the government, such as today’s GM, aren’t in business to tend to the needs and desires of their customers.

Oh, and you’re paying far more taxes than you realize. The government is running an enormous deficit. Your share is probably about $5000 a year. The deficit spending comes out of somebody’s pocket, somewhere. Just who ends up paying is a bit like musical chairs, and you never know who won’t be able to find a seat when the music stops, but somebody’s gonna pay. You cannot expect to be the one who escapes paying.


First of all, we have the best post office in the world. Go to Italy, you’ll see a bad post office. I mail stuff every week. I mail a LOT of stuff. I always use the normal post office. never lost a package. Not once.

And my DMV got me in and out in 5 minutes. With a new license. Photo and everything. On a saturday. I walked into lloyd Center mall, opened my Nintendo DS, and barely had time to stick a cartridge in before my number was called.

Oh yeah, and there’s also our emissions testing. I got in and out of there in 3 minutes, thirty seconds. I timed it. They plugged their equipment into my OBD port on my GTI, I waited a couple minutes, they gave me my tabs, done.

Any other tired old Republican memes you’d like to recycle? it’s good for the environment.

326 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:04:42pm

re: #316 astronmr20

No, I’ve chosen to read what you asked me to, and I simply asked you which time period.

To assert that the Republican party is using racism in it’s overall strategy is simply, obviously true.

FixT

Look, I understand the denial. But if you want to save the party, and maybe even the conservative movement, you have to come to terms with this.

327 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:04:46pm

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

No but you’ve have a Robert Byrd for many many years and you might get a Tom Metzger if he gets voted in. Fine folks you got there in your party. Add to that Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton and you have racists of different colors.

affirmative action is inherently racist…a donk thing again, veiled in some sort of perverse righteousness

328 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:04:53pm

re: #324 astronmr20

Yes.

329 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:05pm

re: #301 WindUpBird

So.

Is that civil enough for you, Silvergirl? :D

Civil enough.
And how do you feel about it?

I was distracted by the leave taking of the now deleted remark. I’ve been looking at his website link in his profile before he went poof. Strange stuff there.

330 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:05pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

The last time I saw a doctor, I ended up in the hospital. I know people who were fine and saw a doctor and ended up with 8 scripts. I’ll pass.

There are some simple blood tests that screen for nasty cancers. If you get the test regularly and one time it comes back positive, you’ve probably caught it in time and you can beat the thing. If not, by the time you feel symptoms, you’re inside the event horizon of a black hole and there’s no wait out.

Diet and exercise are more important than medical care, [technically, your life expectancy goes up if you move from typical American habits to healthier ones, and it goes up by more than enough to offset the drop in life expectancy you’d face because of having nothing but emergency medical care instead of a good package of coverage] but they aren’t a substitute for it.

331 kobra_55  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:17pm

re: #324 astronmr20

Whenever I turn on C-Span Henry Waxman is speaking.

332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:22pm

re: #291 astronmr20

I’m sorry, to what what time period are you referring?

First, answer me this:

Who was a better boss? Barnum or Bailey?

333 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:26pm

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

Jackson and Sharpton have what leadership positions in the Democratic Party?

334 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:32pm

re: #315 JoyousMN

OK, besides Steele what other African-American is in leadership in the Republican party?

And how did we manage a leap from “I didn’t see any Republicans (besides Steve King’s crazy remarks) disowning these actions.” to me point out that Steele did to ” besides Steele what other African-American is in leadership…” How are they connected?

If you think the GOP is going to get any support from me for their racism and their lack of more “color” in their leadership, you’re speaking to the wrong person.

Amazing, just because I link you to a statement, a statement you were looking for… you assume I am defending the GOP.

You lose.

335 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:35pm

re: #324 astronmr20

Anyone watching C-span?

I am.

336 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:05:37pm

re: #324 astronmr20

Anyone watching C-span?

Anything interesting happening?

337 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:05pm

re: #268 freetoken

Immigration reform is another topic people like to shout about without bothering to be specific in the details. What does it mean? Both sides seem to want “reform” but how can that be? We probably should reform the policies but not the way either libs or conservatives want.

338 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:11pm

re: #322 ralphieboy

We are all racist to the extent that we judge people based on their appearances. That is human nature.

The decisive factor is just the extent to which we are allow this natural human prjudice to to influence the decisions we make about people and how to react to and interact with them. Do we find it grounds to deny them constitutional rights? To exclude them from certain schools, trades and professions? And do we find it grounds to shout abuse at them in public?

appearance and race are totally different objectives…I have no clue as to the rest of your post

339 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:11pm

OMG SOCIALISM!

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:22pm

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jesse Jackson, Reverend White, Al Sharpton, wait…

And they’re all elected…oh wait!

341 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:23pm

re: #324 astronmr20

Anyone watching C-span?

I was. Anything going on?

342 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:32pm

re: #333 JoyousMN

Does Rush have a leadership position in the Republican Party?

343 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:06:58pm

re: #340 WindUpBird

#342

344 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:07:33pm

re: #317 austin_blue

First used by Nixon in ‘68. Perfected by Atwater:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he’s campaigned on since 1964 and that’s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.
Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “n*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*****”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n*****, n*****.”[7]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

George Wallace was a segregationist racist pig Democrat.

345 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:07:34pm

re: #311 Escaped Hillbilly

I should have said in addition, I don’t agree with his full post. Just noting your post did not refute it.

346 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:07:35pm

re: #333 JoyousMN

Jackson and Sharpton have what leadership positions in the Democratic Party?

splitting hairs…they are both highly influential

347 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:07:39pm

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Does Rush have a leadership position in the Republican Party?

He sure as hell can get the Leadership to grovel!

348 recusancy  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:07:42pm

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Does Rush have a leadership position in the Republican Party?

Yes

349 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:07:59pm

re: #326 windsagio

FixT

Look, I understand the denial. But if you want to save the party, and maybe even the conservative movement, you have to come to terms with this.

You can label me a denialist all you want, but all you have for your evidence is to ask me to “look up the southern strategy.” Which doesn’t support what you are asserting.

350 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:08:36pm

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

No. I am responding to your post #295

I thanked you for the links.

351 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:08:41pm

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Does Rush have a leadership position in the Republican Party?

Effectively, yes. He and Glen Beck are more powerful within the GOP than any elected official.

352 recusancy  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:08:42pm

re: #344 Spare O’Lake

George Wallace was a segregationist racist pig Democrat.

And more importantly, a conservative.

353 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:08:50pm

re: #344 Spare O’Lake

George Wallace was a segregationist racist pig Democrat.

Ta-toe-k equivalence.

354 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:13pm

re: #330 lostlakehiker

The Dutch live 81+ years..Longer than anyone in Europe or the States..
Yet they have awesome Government Healthcare..How is that possible?
They are doing something right

355 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:29pm

re: #344 Spare O’Lake

There’s the ‘the democrats used to be the racist, and that means something!’ I predicted upthread.

Took you guys long enough.

356 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:32pm

re: #348 recusancy

Yes

If you hadn’t posted that, I would have done so. GMTA

357 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:33pm

re: #333 JoyousMN

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Does Rush have a leadership position in the Republican Party?

Considering he can bully Michael Steel into doing what he says, yes. He has tremendous influence.

Find me a non-elected Democrat who can shape policy the way Limbaugh can.

358 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:34pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Meh.

359 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:48pm

supreme…the very best ever
argue that you disagreeable rubes
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360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:09:56pm

re: #340 WindUpBird

And they’re all elected…oh wait!

Show me an elected black official with a white district.

361 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:02pm

re: #357 WindUpBird

I see Jackson and Sharpton busting balls on every fucking little thing.

Whatever.

362 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:10pm

re: #346 albusteve

hahahaha…yeah, right. Where? When? Links?

363 recusancy  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:31pm

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

Show me an elected black official with a white district.

Obama.

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:41pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Effectively, yes. He and Glen Beck are more powerful within the GOP than any elected official.

Upding!

Once that is no longer true, the Republican party will be a better place. Imagine a Buckley in place of a Limbaugh. It’d be like a warm breeze.

365 KingKenrod  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:53pm

re: #354 HoosierHoops

The Dutch live 81+ years..Longer than anyone in Europe or the States..
Yet they have awesome Government Healthcare..How is that possible?
They are doing something right

Perhaps they are living less dangerously?

366 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:55pm

re: #357 WindUpBird

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Considering he can bully Michael Steel into doing what he says, yes. He has tremendous influence.

Find me a non-elected Democrat who can shape policy the way Limbaugh can.

All Dems suck at talk radio. See:Air America.

367 KernelPanic  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:10:58pm

re: #311 Escaped Hillbilly

Actually you made his point. They relocated to where it would benefit them the most. They will do so again. But to where? China?

Nope. You misunderstand the reason for the relocation. The primary reason was access to talent, not economics. They are setting up on the East Coast of the US because that is where the people they are trying to recruit want to live and work. Despite the best anti-science efforts of the GOP and the Texas board of education it actually still is possible to hire smart engineering and science types here.

368 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:06pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Yeah right, like you care about what’s good for Republicans or conservatives.

369 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:12pm

re: #355 windsagio

There’s the ‘the democrats used to be the racist, and that means something!’ I predicted upthread.

Took you guys long enough.

So when did the Democrats stop being organized racists?

370 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:23pm

re: #333 JoyousMN

Jackson and Sharpton have what leadership positions in the Democratic Party?

I posted an item about Meg Whitman’s tossing the press out of her press conference, and a conservative friend of mine responded with a link to Sean Penn throwing someone out of his press event with the title, “Seems like ejecting reporters happens on both sides.” You know, Sean Penn’s quest for the Democratic nomination for the Imaginary SenateCongress seat (D-OZ) can be directly compared to a Republican candidacy for governor.

371 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:25pm

re: #354 HoosierHoops

The Dutch live 81+ years..Longer than anyone in Europe or the States..
Yet they have awesome Government Healthcare..How is that possible?
They are doing something right

Some suggestions;

My guess is a largely homogenous society, culture, etc. Relatively low corruption and graft compared to here. Etc..

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:28pm

re: #363 recusancy

Obama.

Very nice.

373 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:36pm

re: #344 Spare O’Lake

George Wallace was a segregationist racist pig Democrat.

Yep. One of the last of the bad old breed. After ‘68, and especially after ‘80, they all magically became R’s. Our current Guv in Texas is a good example. Entered politics as a Democratic State Rep but ran for Ag Commissioner as an R.

Won, too.

374 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:41pm

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

Show me an elected black official with a white district.

Here’s one!

375 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:11:52pm

re: #357 WindUpBird

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Considering he can bully Michael Steel into doing what he says, yes. He has tremendous influence. Find me a non-elected Democrat who can shape policy the way Limbaugh can.

I can’t think of one? You’re probably right. So?

376 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:12:10pm

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

Show me an elected black official with a white district.

Barack Obama?

377 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:12:21pm

re: #369 Spare O’Lake

So when did the Democrats stop being organized racists?

After the Dixiecrats switched parties.

378 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:12:24pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Effectively, yes. He and Glen Beck are more powerful within the GOP than any elected official.

oh please….more kool aid?…if you ignore Beck his power goes away, not so for John Boehner….you are confusing power with influence

379 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:12:39pm

re: #333 JoyousMN

Jackson and Sharpton have what leadership positions in the Democratic Party?

They both ran for president with Jackson getting further than Sharpton ever did, and Sharpton has run for Senate a few times as well. I would guess they didn’t run as Libertarians either. Both are racist anti-semites and have been embraced by the Dems anyway.

380 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:12:55pm

BACK, just for a minute-
Maybe the Butthurt Fandango looks something like this!

background - this is real Ally propaganda from WW2. Britain took the “Lambeth Walk” (equivalent to our Chicken Dance) and made Hitler and his henchmen dance to it with cheesy special effects. The British public loved it enough that my history prof showed it to us 60 years later. Himmler reportedly went into a rage when he saw it. You get to laugh at Der Fuhrer and the tune sticks in your head for years!

381 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:19pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Upding!

Once that is no longer true, the Republican party will be a better place. Imagine a Buckley in place of a Limbaugh. It’d be like a warm breeze.

And I can hear you say “Find me a non-elected Democrat who can shape policy the way Buckley can.”

382 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:28pm

re: #366 Cannadian Club Akbar

All Dems suck at talk radio. See:Air America.

Hey hey hey! Broad brush alert! ha!

383 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:29pm

re: #371 astronmr20

Some suggestions;

My guess is a largely homogenous society, culture, etc. Relatively low corruption and graft compared to here. Etc..

Maybe it’s the wooden shoes and tulips.

384 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:33pm

Gotta run. Later all.

385 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:35pm

re: #362 JoyousMN

hahahaha…yeah, right. Where? When? Links?

here’s all the links you deserve
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386 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:47pm

re: #374 WindUpBird

re: #376 astronmr20

Ya’ll were beat to the punch. Peddle faster!!:)

387 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:13:48pm

re: #378 albusteve

oh please…more kool aid?…if you ignore Beck his power goes away, not so for John Boehner…you are confusing power with influence

Power and influence have a direct connection to each other.

388 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:12pm

re: #357 WindUpBird

re: #342 TheMatrix31

Considering he can bully Michael Steel into doing what he says, yes. He has tremendous influence.

Find me a non-elected Democrat who can shape policy the way Limbaugh can.

Would you like a non-elected Democrat who can shape policy like Limbaugh can?

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:12pm

re: #368 TheMatrix31

Yeah right, like you care about what’s good for Republicans or conservatives.

I care about what’s good for the country.

And the country is better off with two decent parties that are ideologically different but who both make intelligent points, and who both relegate their psychos to the fringes. If Mitt Romney is your candidate in 2012, that’s good news! Because he makes sense. If it’s Ron Paul or Steve King, that’s bad news. Because they’re bonkers.

Democrats shoved their psychos to the fringe and won some elections. I suggest Republicans do the same.

390 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:28pm

I’d love to stay and chat about which side is more racist than the other but I’d rather take my little sister to a movie.

Later.

391 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:40pm

re: #382 Stanley Sea

Hey hey hey! Broad brush alert! ha!

Tell me a good dem radio show.

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:41pm

re: #377 Gus 802

After the Dixiecrats switched parties.

yep!

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:46pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Maybe it’s the wooden shoes and tulips.

It’s the decriminalized weed, dude. No doubt about it. Oh, and legal prostitution.

394 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:52pm

re: #325 WindUpBird
Actually yeah. Post Office I can’t complain about. DMV is a state thing so that shouldn’t count. Not all government run agencies are jacked up. But we really don’t need any more bureaucracy. (Maybe I hate bureaucracy so much cause it insists on being so hard to spell.)

395 ryannon  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:14:56pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

Waiting patiently for your story.

it’s not a ‘story’ - it was a chapter of my life a long time ago. And I don’t usually talk about it in public like this.

I was eighteen or nineteen and hitch-hiking to the Appalachians from Chicago. I read about some actions to integrate a municipal swimming pool, etc., etc. being undertaken in another state by some ‘Negros’. I was an idealistic guy from a traditionally left-wing liberal family. This was several years before the Freedom Rider movement, and I figured I could just show up. I did, and discovered I was the only white guy on the scene. Like I say, doing this kind of thing hadn’t exactly become fashionable yet with kids of my generation - which is probably what saved my life both in jail and when I was stopped on a deserted street in the black part of town by a car full of very polite even-voiced guys who patiently explained to me that they would be obliged to kill me if I didn’t get out of town pronto. From that point on, I was never permitted to walk around by myself.

Lewis had been dispatched by the SCLC to co-ordinate things. We had a kind of instinctive liking for one another - he was barely older than I and radiated a kind of seriousness and natural goodness that was unusual for people of our age. He used to tell me stories of how much he liked chickens and ducks - and how he used to practice preaching to them in his family’s hen-house. I understood that completely - we were really on the same wavelength.

One afternoon - for reasons which I still don’t understand - he suggested that we have someone drive us over to another town where there was a small restaurant in an interstate bus terminal. We went into the ‘Whites Only’ area - I don’t remember even seeing anything other than that - sat down and ordered a couple of Cokes. We were arrested for ‘trespassing’ and taken to the county jail. When I discovered that the jail was segregated (something that never occurred to me) and I was going to be put in with the white prisoners, I began to understand that I was in deep shit. After Martin Luther King, Lewis was the key guy in the SCLC and he was bailed out the same day. I was kept in to serve as I don’t know what kind of positive example. In retrospect, the only example I could have conceivably served would have that of a young, idealistic white Northerner turning up dead in a Southern prison. It would have been a first - and just what the movement needed to get the kind of media coverage and government interest that was to come several years later - when young white students did starting turning up dead.

Anyway, they locked me up alone and the other guys on the block came over and explained the situation. They weren’t as quiet-spoken or as polite in that special Southern way as the car-full of White Citizen’s Council men I had encountered a week or so earlier. I was so afraid that I could no longer even speak. I just tried to retreat out of range of the cigarette butts and matches they were flicking at me through the bars.

This is a long story, and quite frankly, I never really intended to tell it here. Maybe I’ll continue another time, but for now, I’m going to cut it short.
As for their death-threats, once I found my voice again in the darkness, I literally talked them out of it, quoting verses of the Bible I didn’t even know I knew (I had had a summer job in the library of a Methodist theological seminary, which must have helped) and, I have to confess, by lying my head off like I’ve never lied before. About being a seminary student myself. About having been diagnosed as being incurably ill and wanting to do what I considered to be God’s work in the few months that were left to me. About how Jesus Himself had spoken to me about his love for all men - including the blacks. And on and on and on into that August night. At the end, there was a BIG silence.

396 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:15:06pm

re: #348 recusancy

Yes

Heh. Frum’s not stupid.

397 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:15:06pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

oh, heck, just one more then I’m outta here.

They have what current leadership position in the Democratic Party?

398 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:15:32pm

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

I haven’t needed a doctor in 24 years.

That’s what I want my grave marker to say (assuming I have one).

399 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:15:36pm

re: #389 WindUpBird

I care about what’s good for the country.

And the country is better off with two decent parties that are ideologically different but who both make intelligent points, and who both relegate their psychos to the fringes. If Mitt Romney is your candidate in 2012, that’s good news! Because he makes sense. If it’s Ron Paul or Steve King, that’s bad news. Because they’re bonkers.

Democrats shoved their psychos to the fringe and won some elections. I suggest Republicans do the same.

No… the conservatives out-voted Gore and Kerry, and we kicked them to the side.

400 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:15:46pm

re: #391 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tell me a good dem radio show.

Easy!

Stephanie Miller Show.

She has the best voice guy in the business.

Also, Rachel Maddow, but I think she’s only on TV now.

401 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:15:49pm

Grandstand
Oppose
Postpone

Latest from CPAN.

402 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:16:00pm

re: #369 Spare O’Lake

When the republicans stole them all!

403 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:16:11pm

re: #374 WindUpBird

Dallas’s mayor before last, Ron Kirk, got a majority white vote. He was kind of like Obama - centrist, pro-business, kept ethnic politics at arm’s length, and generally very good at his job. He’s taken a few swings at national politics, but I’d love to be a center-right Republican in line to vote for that Democrat again.

404 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:16:12pm

re: #377 Gus 802

After the Dixiecrats switched parties.

What about Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, the organized (Rainbow Coalition) racist Dem? Or are we not including organized Afro-American racism?

405 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:16:18pm

re: #387 Jadespring

Power and influence have a direct connection to each other.

oooo!….links, links!

406 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:16:20pm

re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth

It’s the decriminalized weed, dude. No doubt about it. Oh, and legal prostitution.

Aha! That must be it.

407 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:16:28pm

re: #398 negativ

That’s what I want my grave marker to say (assuming I have one).

I want mine to say, “Just a Cold, Huh?”
Heh.

408 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:17:22pm

re: #400 WindUpBird

Easy!

Stephanie Miller Show.

She has the best voice guy in the business.

Also, Rachel Maddow, but I think she’s only on TV now.

Good, as in listened to by more than 10 people.

409 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:17:30pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

They both ran for president with Jackson getting further than Sharpton ever did, and Sharpton has run for Senate a few times as well. I would guess they didn’t run as Libertarians either. Both are racist anti-semites and have been embraced by the Dems anyway.

So embraced that they won with landslide victories… or not. Please.

410 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:17:59pm

re: #391 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tell me a good dem radio show.

Ron Reagan & Thom Hartman.

They are hard to find on the dial, no clear channel or premiere affiliation, but if you are a Dem, their shows don’t suck.

411 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:18:01pm

re: #399 Walter L. Newton

No… the conservatives out-voted Gore and Kerry, and we kicked them to the side.

I was referring to Code Pink, et al in 2006.

412 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:18:13pm

re: #402 windsagio

man I was late to that party, damn multitasking

413 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:18:59pm

re: #404 Spare O’Lake

What about Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, the organized (Rainbow Coalition) racist Dem? Or are we not including organized Afro-American racism?

So you bring up jesse Jackson, and we bring up an organized political movement. One guy who is not elected, versus lots of guys who are.

414 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:19:09pm

re: #365 KingKenrod

Perhaps they are living less dangerously?

Let’s see…legal cannabis, prostitution, and strong beer. Young drinking age. Long cold winters. Lots of immigrants in the population. Lots of smokers. Nope, doesn’t look like that’s the reason.

415 recusancy  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:19:28pm

re: #404 Spare O’Lake

What about Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, the organized (Rainbow Coalition) racist Dem? Or are we not including organized Afro-American racism?

You’re saying Rainbow/PUSH is a racist organization?

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:19:36pm

re: #410 Stanley Sea

Ron Reagan & Thom Hartman.

They are hard to find on the dial, no clear channel or premiere affiliation, but if you are a Dem, their shows don’t suck.

Ron Reagan is dry, but good. Sort of a low key show, which isn’t the kind of radio I like. I’m more of a Phil Hendrie guy :D

417 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:19:55pm

re: #392 WindUpBird

yep!

One can say a humbling historical factoid — from a party affiliation perspective. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond being two of the worst examples. At the time, Barry Goldwater was not innocent either. It took many years of introspection on his part before he righted his racialist tendencies. He did after all oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:20:30pm

re: #415 recusancy

You’re saying Rainbow/PUSH is a racist organization?

No. They tried to blackmail NASCAR for no reason.

419 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:20:33pm

re: #365 KingKenrod

Perhaps they are living less dangerously?

I dunno Brother..Ever been to Amsterdam? After 10pm the only thing that doesn’t turn into p0rn is CNN International..
Kind of weird really…They have all these reality p0rn shows on every station it seems with real time call in numbers for sex.. Those Dutch are crazy fuckers..
I swear to God..We were walking through the Red Light District one day and I saw parents with their kid in a stroller just passing by…
How do you raise kids in Amsterdam?
*Mommy..For my birthday I want a big joint and that foxy whore in the corner window downtown*
No Coke?
Not this year mommy
//

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:20:36pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

They both ran for president with Jackson getting further than Sharpton ever did, and Sharpton has run for Senate a few times as well. I would guess they didn’t run as Libertarians either. Both are racist anti-semites and have been embraced by the Dems anyway.

See, our kooks lose elections. Your kooks win elections. ;-)

421 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:20:50pm

re: #397 JoyousMN

oh, heck, just one more then I’m outta here.

They have what current leadership position in the Democratic Party?

They are very influential to the Democrats, you know that. Why doesn’t the Dem party distance themselves from either one of them? What happened to standards? I also noticed you ignored the Robert Byrd part. What gives?

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:21:09pm

re: #416 WindUpBird

Ron Reagan is dry, but good. Sort of a low key show, which isn’t the kind of radio I like. I’m more of a Phil Hendrie guy :D

I LOVE Phil!!!

423 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:21:21pm

re: #405 albusteve

ooo!…links, links!

If I thought you were serious I might expand further with some actual links but I doubt you are. :)

424 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:21:36pm

re: #415 recusancy

I was more stuck on how they’re still stuck on Jesse Jackson.

425 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:21:48pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

So you bring up jesse Jackson, and we bring up an organized political movement. One guy who is not elected, versus lots of guys who are.

The Tea Party has not been elected. Glenn Beck isn’t even a politician.
You folks who think racism is not ingrained in the Dem party are delusional.

426 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:21:51pm

re: #395 ryannon

it’s not a ‘story’ - it was a chapter of my life a long time ago. And I don’t usually talk about it in public like this.

I was eighteen or nineteen and hitch-hiking to the Appalachians from Chicago. I read about some actions to integrate a municipal swimming pool, etc., etc. being undertaken in another state by some ‘Negros’. I was an idealistic guy from a traditionally left-wing liberal family. This was several years before the Freedom Rider movement, and I figured I could just show up. I did, and discovered I was the only white guy on the scene. Like I say, doing this kind of thing hadn’t exactly become fashionable yet with kids of my generation - which is probably what saved my life both in jail and when I was stopped on a deserted street in the black part of town by a car full of very polite even-voiced guys who patiently explained to me that they would be obliged to kill me if I didn’t get out of town pronto. From that point on, I was never permitted to walk around by myself.

Lewis had been dispatched by the SCLC to co-ordinate things. We had a kind of instinctive liking for one another - he was barely older than I and radiated a kind of seriousness and natural goodness that was unusual for people of our age. He used to tell me stories of how much he liked chickens and ducks - and how he used to practice preaching to them in his family’s hen-house. I understood that completely - we were really on the same wavelength.

One afternoon - for reasons which I still don’t understand - he suggested that we have someone drive us over to another town where there was a small restaurant in an interstate bus terminal. We went into the ‘Whites Only’ area - I don’t remember even seeing anything other than that - sat down and ordered a couple of Cokes. We were arrested for ‘trespassing’ and taken to the county jail. When I discovered that the jail was segregated (something that never occurred to me) and I was going to be put in with the white prisoners, I began to understand that I was in deep shit. After Martin Luther King, Lewis was the key guy in the SCLC and he was bailed out the same day. I was kept in to serve as I don’t know what kind of positive example. In retrospect, the only example I could have conceivably served would have that of a young, idealistic white Northerner turning up dead in a Southern prison. It would have been a first - and just what the movement needed to get the kind of media coverage and government interest that was to come several years later - when young white students did starting turning up dead.

Anyway, they locked me up alone and the other guys on the block came over and explained the situation. They weren’t as quiet-spoken or as polite in that special Southern way as the car-full of White Citizen’s Council men I had encountered a week or so earlier. I was so afraid that I could no longer even speak. I just tried to retreat out of range of the cigarette butts and matches they were flicking at me through the bars.

This is a long story, and quite frankly, I never really intended to tell it here. Maybe I’ll continue another time, but for now, I’m going to cut it short.
As for their death-threats, once I found my voice again in the darkness, I literally talked them out of it, quoting verses of the Bible I didn’t even know I knew (I had had a summer job in the library of a Methodist theological seminary, which must have helped) and, I have to confess, by lying my head off like I’ve never lied before. About being a seminary student myself. About having been diagnosed as being incurably ill and wanting to do what I considered to be God’s work in the few months that were left to me. About how Jesus Himself had spoken to me about his love for all men - including the blacks. And on and on and on into that August night. At the end, there was a BIG silence.

ryannon, thank you so much for sharing. Your experience is apart of history.

427 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:21:52pm

re: #421 NJDhockeyfan

They are very influential to the Democrats, you know that. Why doesn’t the Dem party distance themselves from either one of them? What happened to standards? I also noticed you ignored the Robert Byrd part. What gives?

Robert Byrd and Al Sharpton, last I checked, were not setting policy at the DNC

428 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:22:12pm

re: #421 NJDhockeyfan

They are very influential to the Democrats, you know that. Why doesn’t the Dem party distance themselves from either one of them? What happened to standards? I also noticed you ignored the Robert Byrd part. What gives?

Nancy promised a transparent congress. So there!!
/

429 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:22:28pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Aha! That must be it.

When you can get your buzz on, and your rocks off, without having to worry about jail time or black-market thugs, it takes a lot of pressure and stress out of your life. It’s only natural that one would live longer under such circumstances.

430 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:24:26pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

They both ran for president with Jackson getting further than Sharpton ever did, and Sharpton has run for Senate a few times as well. I would guess they didn’t run as Libertarians either. Both are racist anti-semites and have been embraced by the Dems anyway.

Ah, that explains why they won so very many primaries. They were “embraced” by main-line Dems.

431 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:25:24pm

re: #424 windsagio

I was more stuck on how they’re still stuck on Jesse Jackson.

It never fails. No matter how many Republicans in office ask where the nirth thertifikit is, they’ll bring up Jesse Jackson. No matter how many Republicnas opposed civil rights, and the voting rights act, Jesse Jackson!

Oh yeah, Jesse Jackson. he said some nasty stuff, and he’s a dick. Look at him, while we deny rights to black people and gay people.

Jesse Jackson! Look over there while we whitewash Texas cirrculum.

Jesse Jackson! He’s all creepy and he looks like a noseless spectre wearing outfits from Sgt pepper in an oxygen tank oh wait that’s Michael Jackson

432 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:25:54pm

re: #427 WindUpBird

Robert Byrd and Al Sharpton, last I checked, were not setting policy at the DNC

Neither is the Tea Party, Rush, or Beck. So what? Byrd has been in Congress for many years and Sharpton is welcomed by the Democrats. What’s your point?

433 Gus  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:26:09pm

re: #404 Spare O’Lake

What about Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, the organized (Rainbow Coalition) racist Dem? Or are we not including organized Afro-American racism?

You can include that if you wish. I wouldn’t argue. There were some things that Sharpton said that should be condemned. But we also allow people time to grow and that can apply to Sharpton as much as it applies to Goldwater. Lee Atwater renounced the racial aspects of his career on his deathbed. Later in life, George Wallace also reversed his positions later in life. We do allow room for forgiveness. I think Sharpton has changed and is currently working alongside Newt Gingrich on education issues.

434 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:26:31pm

re: #411 WindUpBird

I was referring to Code Pink, et al in 2006.

Ok… Code Pink et al and Gore and Kerry.

435 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:26:32pm

re: #430 austin_blue

Ah, that explains why they won so very many primaries. They were “embraced” by main-line Dems.

I love to hear people say Obama won in a landslide. They don’t remember 1984. THAT was a landslide.

436 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:26:46pm

Racism and idiocy transcend political party and ideology. Both sides have their racist, ignorant douchebags.

That said, there is no denying there is a racial component to these Tea Parties, and to the teabagger movement in general. There is no way, no how that all this rage and all these people losing their goddamn minds are doing so because of health care. I simply refuse to believe that. It was nowhere near this crazy back in the early 90’s during the whole “HillaryCare” debate.

There is something much deeper and much scarier at work in all this, and both the GOP and the carnival barkers like Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity who command huge audiences are playing with fire by stoking this shit and minimizing it as either satire or understandable anger at the government. They need to actively and loudly denounce the racial garbage, and make it clear that those kinds of signs and protesters are not welcome on their side of the aisle.

437 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:26:51pm

re: #427 WindUpBird
They actually did at one time. So much so that Jackson actually thought he had a shot at the presidency. Then he actually had the nerve to suggest his not getting much support was proof of racism!

438 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:26:51pm

re: #423 Jadespring

If I thought you were serious I might expand further with some actual links but I doubt you are. :)

don’t bother…I’m sure you get my point regardless of your need to argue about it further

439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:27:10pm

re: #430 austin_blue

Ah, that explains why they won so very many primaries. They were “embraced” by main-line Dems.

By NJDHockeyfan’s estimation, that would mean that porn actress with the pink Vette was embraced by california voters. I mean, she RAN FOR GOVERNOR THAT’S JUST LIKE BEING GOVERNOR

440 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:27:35pm

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

Ok… Code Pink et al and Gore and Kerry.

You really think Gore is a wacko? ;-)

441 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:27:46pm

re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love to hear people say Obama won in a landslide. They don’t remember 1984. THAT was a landslide.

That wasn’t a landslide. That was a massacre.

442 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:00pm

Red State Trike Force released their latest action alert: sending silver coins to Bart Stupak.

We can’t Bart Stupak go without a parting gift. Judas, after all, got 30 silver coins to sell out our Lord. Stupak needs something for selling out all the children sent off to be slaughtered thanks to his “compromise” that any President can pen away to oblivion — notwithstanding the questionable legal assumptions behind it.

Can I make copies of the coins with the silly putty?

443 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:21pm

re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love to hear people say Obama won in a landslide. They don’t remember 1984. THAT was a landslide.

That was a president who could work across party lines and bring them together to get things done. We have amateurs running the WH today.

444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:34pm

re: #437 Escaped Hillbilly

They actually did at one time. So much so that Jackson actually thought he had a shot at the presidency. Then he actually had the nerve to suggest his not getting much support was proof of racism!

Just because a man thinks he has a shot doesn’t make it so. Pat Buchanan thought he had a shot too! :D

445 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:39pm

re: #440 WindUpBird

You really think Gore is a wacko? ;-)

Yes… and I am not talking about his climate change stuff.

446 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:48pm

I do find it depressing that people are so committed to defending the brand rather than fixing their party/movement and making the situation better for everyone.

447 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:57pm

re: #440 WindUpBird

You really think Gore is a wacko? ;-)

I don’t. But he tried to steal the election, not Bush.

448 JoyousMN  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:29:08pm

re: #421 NJDhockeyfan

No. That are influential according to Republicans I talk to, to Dems…not so much.

Byrd was a racist. In the 1960’s. It’s just disingenuous to compare theses old figures in the Democratic party with current up-to-date Republicans.

449 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:29:31pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

Yes… and I am not talking about his climate change stuff.

Curious why!

I always thought Gore was as dull as dry toast, and lost because voters…thought he was as dull as dry toast.

450 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:29:41pm

re: #437 Escaped Hillbilly

They actually did at one time. So much so that Jackson actually thought he had a shot at the presidency. Then he actually had the nerve to suggest his not getting much support was proof of racism!

Jackson and Sharpton are harpy, screeching racists, shakedown artists and just plain bad men….the have done nothing but prolong misery and agitate their supporters….it’s what they do $$$$

451 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #441 Lidane

That wasn’t a landslide. That was a massacre.

Yep old Mondale even came close to losing Minnesota that year. Yeah Obama didn’t win in a landslide i.e. Reagan ‘84, Nixon ‘72, or FDR ‘36 but it did amuse me to see the same pundits who said Bush had a mandate after winning by one state in 2004 deny Obama the same after he won a much more impressive victory two years ago.

452 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:12pm

re: #380 keloyd

BACK, just for a minute-
Maybe the Butthurt Fandango looks something like this!

background - this is real Ally propaganda from WW2. Britain took the “Lambeth Walk” (equivalent to our Chicken Dance) and made Hitler and his henchmen dance to it with cheesy special effects. The British public loved it enough that my history prof showed it to us 60 years later. Himmler reportedly went into a rage when he saw it. You get to laugh at Der Fuhrer and the tune sticks in your head for years!

Have you ever seen the Warner Brothers cartoons from the WWII era? In addition to being a really interesting glimpse into those days, they are some of the funniest cartoons ever made, and they were obviously intended for an adult audience. Think of a slightly smarter South Park, with gorgeous artwork and a fantastic musical score.

Youtube Video

(that’s not even close to the best example)

453 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #436 Lidane

Racism and idiocy transcend political party and ideology. Both sides have their racist, ignorant douchebags.

That said, there is no denying there is a racial component to these Tea Parties, and to the teabagger movement in general. There is no way, no how that all this rage and all these people losing their goddamn minds are doing so because of health care. I simply refuse to believe that. It was nowhere near this crazy back in the early 90’s during the whole “HillaryCare” debate.

There is something much deeper and much scarier at work in all this, and both the GOP and the carnival barkers like Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity who command huge audiences are playing with fire by stoking this shit and minimizing it as either satire or understandable anger at the government. They need to actively and loudly denounce the racial garbage, and make it clear that those kinds of signs and protesters are not welcome on their side of the aisle.

Spot on, but you’re gonna get shit for the teabagger name! Well, maybe not with the crowd here.?

454 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:38pm

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don’t. But he tried to steal the election, not Bush.

Winning the popular vote is trying to steal the election?

455 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:49pm

re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love to hear people say Obama won in a landslide. They don’t remember 1984. THAT was a landslide.

Six points is a pretty good smack-down, especially when he picks up States that the D’s hadn’t won since 1964.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:49pm

re: #448 JoyousMN

No. That are influential according to Republicans I talk to, to Dems…not so much.

Byrd was a racist. In the 1960’s.

Did he get better?

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:50pm

re: #448 JoyousMN

No. That are influential according to Republicans I talk to, to Dems…not so much.

Byrd was a racist. In the 1960’s. It’s just disingenuous to compare theses old figures in the Democratic party with current up-to-date Republicans.

So, a politician shouldn’t give up a seat when giving praise to a guy on his birthday?

458 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:54pm

re: #438 albusteve

don’t bother…I’m sure you get my point regardless of your need to argue about it further

No, I get that you did not get my point though. ;)

459 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:31:05pm

re: #446 windsagio

I do find it depressing that people are so committed to defending the brand rather than fixing their party/movement and making the situation better for everyone.

Michael Steele seems to be committed to fixing the brand.

Unfortuantely Limbaugh is more powerful than he is.

460 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:31:17pm

re: #443 NJDhockeyfan

That was a president who could work across party lines and bring them together to get things done. We have amateurs running the WH today.

worse…amature thugs with a personal agenda to aggrandize themselves….spit

461 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:31:36pm

re: #446 windsagio

I do find it depressing that people are so committed to defending the brand rather than fixing their party/movement and making the situation better for everyone.

I don’t want to fix the GOP, I want them to disappear. I’m a conservative, not a Republican.

462 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:31:49pm

re: #446 windsagio

I do find it depressing that people are so committed to defending the brand rather than fixing their party/movement and making the situation better for everyone.

Look in the mirror, chump.
Racism is alive and well in America, in both parties, and the Obama campaign and presidency seems to have increased it.
No one here is defending racism.

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:32:10pm

re: #454 allegro

Winning the popular vote is trying to steal the election?

No, the bullshit with the election. I can see this is going nowhere.

464 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:32:21pm

re: #459 WindUpBird

Steele is the guy I feel bad for.

My image has to do with him getting appointed to counterbalance Obama, and actually going in thinking his appointment meant something.

Then he had to learn the score the hard way.

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:32:23pm

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don’t. But he tried to steal the election, not Bush.

Man, I just said yesterday how ridiculous and dumb all the stealing-teh-elekshun shit is when liberals say it. Equally ridiculous when you say it.

The election was so close as to be a shitfest. No matter who won, they’d have a cloud over them.

466 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:32:23pm

re: #452 negativ

Have you ever seen the Warner Brothers cartoons from the WWII era? In addition to being a really interesting glimpse into those days, they are some of the funniest cartoons ever made, and they were obviously intended for an adult audience. Think of a slightly smarter South Park, with gorgeous artwork and a fantastic musical score.


[Video](that’s not even close to the best example)

this from a person that thinks Dylan is an atrocity?….hahaha!

467 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:32:28pm

re: #460 albusteve

worse…amature thugs with a personal agenda to aggrandize themselves…spit

“Chicago thug” reference! GOP Bingo calls… B-7.

468 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:32:49pm

re: #459 WindUpBird

Michael Steele seems to be committed to fixing the brand.

Unfortuantely Limbaugh is more powerful than he is.

Steele is not trying to fix anything, or else he would be like a world wind at nipping this shit in the bud.

469 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:33:13pm

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

note I said party/movement, just to head off that exact statement :D

re: #462 Spare O’Lake

Lol, no, you’re just defending racists.

470 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:33:15pm

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

I don’t want to fix the GOP, I want them to disappear. I’m a conservative, not a Republican.

these people refuse to admit a distinction…like me, you’re dirt

471 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:33:33pm

re: #462 Spare O’Lake

Look in the mirror, chump.
Racism is alive and well in America, in both parties, and the Obama campaign and presidency seems to have increased it.
No one here is defending racism.

Bingo. Obama brought out the racists in the Democrat party when he was running against Hillary. Some here seem to have forgotten that.

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:33:55pm

re: #462 Spare O’Lake

Look in the mirror, chump.
Racism is alive and well in America, in both parties, and the Obama campaign and presidency seems to have increased it.
No one here is defending racism.

Electing a black president brings out the racists, that is true. It was guaranteed to happen. Just like increasing the status of gay rights started energizingt the anti-gay crowd.

473 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:34:09pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

Man, I just said yesterday how ridiculous and dumb all the stealing-teh-elekshun shit is when liberals say it. Equally ridiculous when you say it.

The election was so close as to be a shitfest. No matter who won, they’d have a cloud over them.

The whole “Bush stole the Election” thing is still ongoing. Most peeps don’t know Florida law.

474 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:34:32pm

re: #468 Walter L. Newton

Steele is not trying to fix anything, or else he would be like a world wind at nipping this shit in the bud.

He doesn’t have the power. I think the man wants to make the party better but he’s being opposed from within.

475 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:34:33pm

re: #449 WindUpBird

Curious why!

I always thought Gore was as dull as dry toast, and lost because voters…thought he was as dull as dry toast.

God Gore was so boring. And his past history as a supporter of the music censorship made me feel uncomfortable with being really open about supporting him in middle school. I just didn’t like Bush. I liked Kerry more than I did Gore as a candidate though I concede Kerry had many a short coming too in the likability department and speaking.

476 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:34:50pm

re: #467 torrentprime

“Chicago thug” reference! GOP Bingo calls… B-7.

yes, exactly….Chicago thugs if you prefer

477 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:35:48pm

re: #465 WindUpBird


The election was so close as to be a shitfest. No matter who won, they’d have a cloud over them.

Yup. There are too many causes on the final tally to decide what tipped Bush over. The number of people tossed off the voting rolls previously in the election cycle was thousands of times the final margin, for example.

478 Macha  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:36:05pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

This is always the response when healthcare reform comes up. The big boogyman is the quality of care going down. And long waiting times. There is so much misinformation out there about health care it is mind boggling. I’ve worked as a registered nurse for forty years in both public and private facilities. If you think private health care is head and shoulders above public care you are quite misinformed. There is very little difference in the actual care rendered. You are fooled by the carpets and drapes and the soft music. The skill of the practitioners varies in both situations and private rarely means better in quality of care. I’m painting with a broad brush here, but reforming health care does not mean instituting substandard care.

479 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:36:19pm

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

Bingo. Obama brought out the racists in the Democrat party when he was running against Hillary. Some here seem to have forgotten that.

Yes, eh did.

The difference is, racists in the Democratic party aren’t powerful enough to set party policy. They’re not running the show. They’re not organized.


See, if they WERE organized, it’d be President Clinton. See how that works? :)

480 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:36:38pm

re: #462 Spare O’Lake

Racism is alive and well in America, in both parties, and the Obama campaign and presidency seems to have increased it.

It’s Obama’s fault people are racist. astounding.

481 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:36:56pm

re: #474 WindUpBird

He doesn’t have the power. I think the man wants to make the party better but he’s being opposed from within.

if he doesn’t have the ‘power’ then who does?…some radio head?…he didn’t even try…so why do you continuously post on the subject?…you have no power

482 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:37:02pm

re: #476 albusteve

yes, exactly…Chicago thugs if you prefer

Either way; you get credit for repetition of GOP smears regardless.

483 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:37:14pm

re: #477 torrentprime

Yea, there were no investigative reporters on the story.

484 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:37:14pm

re: #478 Macha

This is always the response when healthcare reform comes up. The big boogyman is the quality of care going down. And long waiting times. There is so much misinformation out there about health care it is mind boggling. I’ve worked as a registered nurse for forty years in both public and private facilities. If you think private health care is head and shoulders above public care you are quite misinformed. There is very little difference in the actual care rendered. You are fooled by the carpets and drapes and the soft music. The skill of the practitioners varies in both situations and private rarely means better in quality of care. I’m painting with a broad brush here, but reforming health care does not mean instituting substandard care.

Cheers from a fellow health care worker!

485 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:37:22pm

re: #480 allegro

It’s Obama’s fault people are racist. astounding.

See also, “she asked for it.”

486 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:38:32pm

re: #483 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea, there were no investigative reporters on the story.

And those reporters determined the election has lots of factors. As I said. I’m confused as to the point of your sarcasm attempt?

487 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:38:46pm

re: #482 torrentprime

Either way; you get credit for repetition of GOP smears regardless.

I don’t give a shit about the GOP…in my mind it’s the truth, like undeniable as much as it hurts his supporters

488 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:39:06pm

re: #479 WindUpBird

Yes, eh did.

The difference is, racists in the Democratic party aren’t powerful enough to set party policy. They’re not running the show. They’re not organized.

See, if they WERE organized, it’d be President Clinton. See how that works? :)

I see, so Hillary is a racist?

489 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:39:15pm

re: #481 albusteve

if he doesn’t have the ‘power’ then who does?…some radio head?…he didn’t even try…so why do you continuously post on the subject?…you have no power

Limbaugh doesn’t have the power to reform anything, really. he just has the power to impede Steele’s progress.

I post because it’s interesting to me. I like reading and talking about politics as gamesmanship. I don’t need power to be interested in something!

490 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:39:32pm

re: #404 Spare O’Lake

What about Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, the organized (Rainbow Coalition) racist Dem? Or are we not including organized Afro-American racism?

Racism involves power dynamics that makes it impossible for a minority to be racist against a majority.

491 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:40:23pm

re: #484 WindUpBird

Cheers from a fellow health care worker!

I don’t think people mean substandard care at the bedside…that’s a stretch

492 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:40:35pm

re: #486 torrentprime

And those reporters determined the election has lots of factors. As I said. I’m confused as to the point of your sarcasm attempt?

In Florida, if the election is within 1/2 of 1% there is an automatic recount. Gore wanted 3, then Atlanta, then the SC.

493 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:41:03pm

re: #490 Conservative Moonbat

Racism involves power dynamics that makes it impossible for a minority to be racist against a majority.

Horse hockey! A racist is a racist no matter what color they are.

494 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:42:32pm

re: #489 WindUpBird

I love the idea that people post here when they don’t get enjoyment or at least satisfaction from it.

That’d be some weird person, doing something he hated!

495 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:42:32pm

re: #489 WindUpBird

Limbaugh doesn’t have the power to reform anything, really. he just has the power to impede Steele’s progress.

I post because it’s interesting to me. I like reading and talking about politics as gamesmanship. I don’t need power to be interested in something!

Steele has no power is semantically correct…but neither does any person have that ‘power’…all hair splitting linguistics

496 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:42:41pm

re: #488 NJDhockeyfan

I see, so Hillary is a racist?

She was employing dogwhistle racism during the primary.

Note that to be very specific, I believe that there are members of the GOP who are employing racism to win elections, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the individual person is racist to the bone, just ruthless and willing to use racism as a tool. Both parties DO do this. The difference is it’s more organized don the GOP side.

Remember the black-baby Anti-McCain push-calls during the SC primary in 2000? That was a greta example of the Bush campaign employing racism. Is Bush a racist? I don’t think so at all! But his campaign used racism.

497 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:42:46pm

re: #488 NJDhockeyfan

I see, so Hillary is a racist?

Are you being *intentionally* obtuse and stupid or is this the real deal?

498 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:43:01pm

re: #480 allegro

It’s Obama’s fault people are racist. astounding.

How on earth did you read that as Spare saying that it’s Obama’s fault.

He said no such thing.

499 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:43:09pm

My problem is this counter-elitism that you see directed at Americans who live in cities as opposed to the country, are secular as opposed to religious in outlook, and etc. The Republicans do try to stir that up like when George Allen gave that Indian kid a hard time which ended up sinking his campaign. It’s ironic though of course since that kid unlike Allen was Virginia raised and went to school here and everything. There was a Republican party chair in one of the more few counties who claimed McCain was winning the “real” Virginia and when asked what she meant she said she meant the Christian part. If the Republicans ever want my vote they have to stop playing that crap. I admit I am not likely to vote Republican much since I am after all on the left on most cultural and fiscal issues but I don’t refuse to vote GOP either since I have and will do it again.

500 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:43:24pm

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida, if the election is within 1/2 of 1% there is an automatic recount. Gore wanted 3, then Atlanta, then the SC.

I have green eyes.

Wait, I thought we were trading uncontested factoids.
/
My point was that the final tally in FL in ‘00 was affected by lots of things, from the voting roll purge to polling place access to recount rules. Did/do you disagree with that?

501 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:43:33pm

re: #495 albusteve

Steele has no power is semantically correct…but neither does any person have that ‘power’…all hair splitting linguistics

Dean had a lot more power to reform Dem strategy than Steele does now. It matters!

502 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:43:41pm

re: #490 Conservative Moonbat

Racism involves power dynamics that makes it impossible for a minority to be racist against a majority.

Sorry, but that is totally bogus. Racism involves racial prejudice. Period.

503 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:44:05pm

re: #498 Jadespring

How on earth did you read that as Spare saying that it’s Obama’s fault.

He said no such thing.

I agree, I read his post twice, he meant tha the election has brought out the racists, not that it’s his “fault”

504 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:44:43pm

re: #494 windsagio

I love the idea that people post here when they don’t get enjoyment or at least satisfaction from it.

That’d be some weird person, doing something he hated!

some people are on a mission…I won’t name names, but they are compelled by their ego to post, right wrong or otherwise…vanity is a powerful driver

505 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:45:32pm

re: #499 HappyWarrior

My problem is this counter-elitism that you see directed at Americans who live in cities as opposed to the country, are secular as opposed to religious in outlook, and etc. The Republicans do try to stir that up like when George Allen gave that Indian kid a hard time which ended up sinking his campaign. It’s ironic though of course since that kid unlike Allen was Virginia raised and went to school here and everything. There was a Republican party chair in one of the more few counties who claimed McCain was winning the “real” Virginia and when asked what she meant she said she meant the Christian part. If the Republicans ever want my vote they have to stop playing that crap. I admit I am not likely to vote Republican much since I am after all on the left on most cultural and fiscal issues but I don’t refuse to vote GOP either since I have and will do it again.

I’ll happily vote for Republicans who i think represent my interests and values. Gordon Smith, for example. I like him! Voted for him!

Gordon Smith is a loooong way away from the rhetoric I’m hearing now out of the GOP.

506 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:45:34pm

re: #496 WindUpBird

She was employing dogwhistle racism during the primary.

Yes, she was. I believe that was a significant reason for her loss. THAT is the biggest difference between the parties at this point. Racism loses in Dem races, wins in Rep, i.e. the Southern Strategy that is still being employed big time.

507 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:46:17pm

re: #500 torrentprime

I have green eyes.

Wait, I thought we were trading uncontested factoids.
/
My point was that the final tally in FL in ‘00 was affected by lots of things, from the voting roll purge to polling place access to recount rules. Did/do you disagree with that?

Um, the polling was fine. It was a couple counties who cried about a bad ballot. A ballot that is posted in the newspaper 3 days prior.

508 keloyd  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:46:56pm

re: #452 negativ
I remember that one! I have a set of WW2 era propaganda tunes on a disk somewhere.

Did you ever catch the original animated Superman’s? (JUST CHECKED, THEYRE ALL ON YOUTUBE, search “SUPERMAN WW2”) They were remarkable for not being that racist (a bit, but nothing close to other portrayals) . The 2 Jewish kids who created Superman got enough of a taste of prejudice growing up in the 30’s in the US that they didn’t go too far in their portrayal of the Japanese. (They were evil, and had slightly bad teeth, but they weren’t monkeys like in typical Popeye or Warner Brothers tunes, not much different than their Nazis.)

The early Superman shorts, on DVD now, were extremely well drawn. Their music has no modern equal. They had to go cheap later. Bonus points for realistic car chases when it was showing off to take a 90 degree turn at 15 miles an hour.

509 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:47:01pm

re: #503 WindUpBird

I agree, I read his post twice, he meant tha the election has brought out the racists, not that it’s his “fault”

Yes, exactly.

510 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:47:28pm

re: #504 albusteve

You think they (whoever they are) don’t get enjoyment from the vanity boost? You’re not actually disagreeing with me, man :)

511 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:47:35pm

re: #507 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, the polling was fine. It was a couple counties who cried about a bad ballot. A ballot that is posted in the newspaper 3 days prior.

So you agree more than one factor went into the final tally, then. Awesome.

512 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:48:00pm

Okay now I HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORK

513 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:48:26pm

re: #505 WindUpBird

I’ll happily vote for Republicans who i think represent my interests and values. Gordon Smith, for example. I like him! Voted for him!

Gordon Smith is a looong way away from the rhetoric I’m hearing now out of the GOP.

probably the smartest post I’ve read from you…this infatuation with party is killing the process…long have I blamed the dems for party over principle, but lately the GOP has caved….generally speaking, I hate them all

514 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:48:36pm

re: #512 WindUpBird

Run, run like the wind!

515 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:49:19pm

re: #510 windsagio

You think they (whoever they are) don’t get enjoyment from the vanity boost? You’re not actually disagreeing with me, man :)

I realize that…just my two sense

516 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:49:38pm

re: #505 WindUpBird

I’ll happily vote for Republicans who i think represent my interests and values. Gordon Smith, for example. I like him! Voted for him!

Gordon Smith is a looong way away from the rhetoric I’m hearing now out of the GOP.

I’d easily would have supported Tom Davis if I ever lived in his district. Heck I voted for Frank Wolf once as a means of props/thanks for raising awareness for human rights issues which he did when he spoke at my high school. If there were more Republicans out there who cared less about culture war and more about real and genuine fiscal responsibility I could embrace that. I’ve jokingly told my roommate if he ever runs for office he’ll get my vote since he’s a Republican who doesn’t give a damn if you’re gay, smoke pot, etc.

517 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:50:56pm

re: #466 albusteve

this from a person that thinks Dylan is an atrocity?…hahaha!

OK, you got me. Bob Dylan is the funniest cartoon ever made.

518 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:51:31pm

re: #510 windsagio

You think they (whoever they are) don’t get enjoyment from the vanity boost? You’re not actually disagreeing with me, man :)

re: #515 albusteve

I realize that…just my two sense

Steve, turn in your Racist/Homophobe/woman hating card. And your guns.
///

519 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:51:57pm

re: #516 HappyWarrior

I’d easily would have supported Tom Davis if I ever lived in his district. Heck I voted for Frank Wolf once as a means of props/thanks for raising awareness for human rights issues which he did when he spoke at my high school. If there were more Republicans out there who cared less about culture war and more about real and genuine fiscal responsibility I could embrace that. I’ve jokingly told my roommate if he ever runs for office he’ll get my vote since he’s a Republican who doesn’t give a damn if you’re gay, smoke pot, etc.

black, gay, pot smokers are the coolest people ever….right up there with Asian, lesbian pot smokers

520 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:52:33pm

re: #512 WindUpBird

Okay now I HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORK

False.

521 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:52:47pm

re: #488 NJDhockeyfan

I see, so Hillary is a racist?

re: #496 WindUpBird

She was employing dogwhistle racism during the primary.

re: #506 allegro

Yes, she was. I believe that was a significant reason for her loss.

I agree it’s probably a significant reason for her loss. I know for a fact it was a HUGE reason why I shifted from Hillary to Obama early in the primaries. I was deeply, personally offended by the use of racial dogwhistle codes to the point where both she and Bill Clinton absolutely pissed me off. And don’t get me started on the PUMA assholes. They had me seething for months.

522 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:53:02pm

re: #517 negativ

OK, you got me. Bob Dylan is the funniest cartoon ever made.

ha!…good one…you are a better comic than critic

523 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:53:13pm

re: #519 albusteve

black, gay, pot smokers are the coolest people ever…right up there with Asian, lesbian pot smokers

If you have no sense of fashion, gay black men are the best.

524 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:54:18pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

Personally, I’d like to see a transition to a parliamentary system. .

525 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:54:20pm

re: #518 Cannadian Club Akbar

Steve, turn in your Racist/Homophobe/woman hating card. And your guns.
///

I’m down to one shotgun and three hundred rounds for it…I’ll go no further than that

526 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:55:17pm

re: #521 Lidane

I was deeply, personally offended by the use of racial dogwhistle codes to the point where both she and Bill Clinton absolutely pissed me off.

Me, too. It disappointed me mucho.

527 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:55:45pm

re: #505 WindUpBird

I’ll happily vote for Republicans who i think represent my interests and values.

I would as well. Too bad for me that the Dems here in Texas are largely irrelevant with just a few exceptions, and the Republicans are crazy.

*sigh*

528 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you have no sense of fashion, gay black men are the best.

I’ve actually hung out a bit with a black gay…hell of a guy, but I dig all gays, especially the extroverted, campy sort…good people have no boundries sexually…you knew that tho

529 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:57:13pm

re: #527 Lidane

I would as well. Too bad for me that the Dems here in Texas are largely irrelevant with just a few exceptions, and the Republicans are crazy.

Hey, fellow Texan! It’s getting better, I hope. We’re getting a bit more purple. Let’s get Bill White elected as Gov!

530 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:57:31pm

re: #527 Lidane

I would as well. Too bad for me that the Dems here in Texas are largely irrelevant with just a few exceptions, and the Republicans are crazy.

*sigh*

I voted in a primary for a Senator. My girl got 2% of the vote. Vote your heart. Always.

531 albusteve  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:57:43pm

re: #526 allegro

Me, too. It disappointed me mucho.

I find both Clintons deeply offensive…well paid trailer trash

532 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:59:57pm

re: #522 albusteve

ha!…good one…you are a better comic than critic

I’m not a critic; I just think Bob Dylan is the musical equivalent of cancer.

Can you seriously defend the existence of this:
amazon.com

Really?

533 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:01:35pm

re: #532 negativ

I’m not a critic; I just think Bob Dylan is the musical equivalent of cancer.

Ah, the ignorance of youth. (But I agree about the Christmas album… yikes.)

534 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:01:36pm

re: #529 allegro

It will never happen. Bill White is not a smug jackass, and you can’t get anywhere in Texas politics without being a smug jackass.

535 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:02:50pm

Why is anyone trying to deny that the most public organizations, made up of predominantly Republicans, are displaying almost proudly racism and tendencies toward violence.

And why do we have people like Beck and Rush, and news organizations like Fox, and nut’s like Alex Jones supporting all this, from basic feigning non-interest to obvious agreement.

And honestly, Steele’s “apology” was to minimize the Tea Parties and related groups, instead of a outright distancing from these people.

There’s a problem, and no facts about “the other side” or other racist or “they do it too” changes a damn thing. But if that’s the only excuse you have, if that’s the only answer you have, then you offer nothing to the solution.

536 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:03:18pm

re: #534 negativ

It will never happen. Bill White is not a smug jackass, and you can’t get anywhere in Texas politics without being a smug jackass.

I fear you may be right. But, hey, I can dream can’t I? (And work for his campaign - he’s a terrific guy.)

537 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:03:20pm

Has anyone here seen the movie “Kandahar”?

538 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:03:59pm

re: #532 negativ

I’m not a critic; I just think Bob Dylan is the musical equivalent of cancer.

Can you seriously defend the existence of this:
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Really?

This, this, and this more than make up for the abomination of a Christmas album. Dylan is an incredible talent.

Also, one of the first concerts I ever saw was Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers and Bob Dylan when they toured together. I was 13 years old. It was an amazing show. Still in my Top 10 of all the concerts I’ve ever seen.

539 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:04:15pm

re: #535 Walter L. Newton

I totally love it when you agree and disagree with me on the same subject in the same thread. It shows that you really DO love me >

540 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:04:19pm

re: #536 allegro

I fear you may be right. But, hey, I can dream can’t I? (And work for his campaign - he’s a terrific guy.)

I thought about working for Marco Rubio in Florida.

541 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:05:45pm

re: #535 Walter L. Newton

A mere quibble-The other side does it too doubles the reason to end it.

542 gordon marock  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:05:47pm

Total bullshit.

543 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:05:56pm

re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you have no sense of fashion, gay black men are the best.

No truer words have been spoken, Akbar.

544 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:06:54pm

re: #539 windsagio

I totally love it when you agree and disagree with me on the same subject in the same thread. It shows that you really DO love me >

Well… it’s better than watching basketball.

545 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:07:59pm

re: #480 allegro

It’s Obama’s fault people are racist. astounding.

How dare you blame Obama for the reactions of bigots?
Amazing.

546 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:08:28pm

re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you have no sense of fashion, gay black men are the best.

Straight black men are at the top as well. The finest dressed men I even see are black men… beautifully tailored suits, French cuffed shirts, gorgeous silk ties, and classic hats. Yum.

547 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:08:51pm

re: #533 allegro

My youth has long ago fled the scene, knowing what was good for it. I was born during the Nixon administration. I’m well-versed in all that 60s crap. Bob Dylan remains awful.

548 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:09:09pm

re: #543 eclectic infidel

No truer words have been spoken, Akbar.

I’m not gay, nor black, nor a racist. I just know what person to ask to get the best for the money. (I was actually a date for a Christmas party for a gay guy)

549 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:09:43pm

re: #547 negativ

I’m well-versed in all that 60s crap.

Clearly not.

550 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:10:11pm

re: #546 allegro

Straight black men are at the top as well. The finest dressed men I even see are black men… beautifully tailored suits, French cuffed shirts, gorgeous silk ties, and classic hats. Yum.

I don’t look good in Purple!!
///

551 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:10:50pm

re: #548 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was actually a date for a Christmas party for a gay guy

Sheesh. Ya leave us hanging like that? There’s a story there…

552 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:11:50pm

re: #551 allegro

Sheesh. Ya leave us hanging like that? There’s a story there…

I did an 8 ball with the restaurants owners wife.

553 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:12:55pm

re: #549 allegro

Because I don’t worship at the altar of Bob Dylan?

554 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:12:58pm

re: #552 Cannadian Club Akbar

I did an 8 ball with the restaurants owners wife.

A whole 8 ball? Yikes. but what does that have to do with the gay date?

555 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:14:13pm

re: #553 negativ

Because I don’t worship at the altar of Bob Dylan?

Because you don’t get it. Not a criticism, cuz you were too young to understand.

556 swamprat  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:14:34pm

re: #541 Rightwingconspirator

A mere quibble-The other side does it too doubles the reason to end it.


Dear god! If only we could. The endless lying, and spinning, and conveniently leaving out important details. And also the disgusting pandering to idiot extremists, as well as the financial whoring after big business.

And yes, I am talking about both BOTH parties.

557 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:14:54pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

And here’s Rep. Steve King

I just don’t see a huge Republican push back, sorry.

Where does Rep. King think it would be unsafe for him to walk? I hope not up the steps to the Capitol Building.

558 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:14:54pm

re: #554 allegro

A whole 8 ball? Yikes. but what does that have to do with the gay date?

Everyone was allowed to bring 1 person. Dave brought me. Sorry I didn’t point that out. And yes, an 8 ball. I was young!

559 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:16:45pm

re: #555 allegro

Because you don’t get it. Not a criticism, cuz you were too young to understand.

I was born in the early 60s. I’m not a dylan fan either. Nothing personal, he’s just not my type of music. Johnny Cash was a fan & a friend. I like Cash’s music but Dylan’s just doesn’t do anything for me.

560 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #32 Escaped Hillbilly

Unfortunately there are a lot of others that agree. Makes me want to scream I AM AGAINST THIS BILL AND AM NOT AN INSANE RAVING, BIGGOTED, HISTORY IGNORANT, MORON. I am not afraid of death panels or an uptick in the number of abortions. Just don’t like it. And I would like to see intelligent people discussing it intelligently. Riiight. That’ll happen now. Thanks insane bigotted raving history ignorant morons.

I understand. I stayed away from all the anti-war demos because of who was there, and who was organizing.

It sucks.

561 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:17:39pm

re: #548 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m not gay, nor black, nor a racist. I just know what person to ask to get the best for the money. (I was actually a date for a Christmas party for a gay guy)

For many years after I moved to San Francisco, my gay friends would go shopping with me to make sure I got the best deals and outfits available. I owe them many many thanks (and drinks) for their superb sense of fashion. Now at least I know how to mix and match and accessorize. Before the late 1990’s I truly didn’t have a clue.

562 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:17:57pm

re: #535 Walter L. Newton

Why is anyone trying to deny that the most public organizations, made up of predominantly Republicans, are displaying almost proudly racism and tendencies toward violence.

And why do we have people like Beck and Rush, and news organizations like Fox, and nut’s like Alex Jones supporting all this, from basic feigning non-interest to obvious agreement.

And honestly, Steele’s “apology” was to minimize the Tea Parties and related groups, instead of a outright distancing from these people.

There’s a problem, and no facts about “the other side” or other racist or “they do it too” changes a damn thing. But if that’s the only excuse you have, if that’s the only answer you have, then you offer nothing to the solution.

You should be the last one to label others as “deniers” merely because they are looking at the surrounding factual context.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:19:39pm

re: #57 negativ

Part of what happened is that the Secret Service protective detail inexplicably moved about as slow as friggin’ molasses, and if it had been a pistol rather than shoes, well…

That really worried me. Now, Bush turned out to be a good ducker for a man his age, which was good, but yeah, I was concerned about Secret Service response then.

564 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:20:15pm

re: #546 allegro

Go to a blues club with dancing frequented by African Americans and you will see the best dressed women and men that you ever have in your life.

565 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:20:30pm

re: #560 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand. I stayed away from all the anti-war demos because of who was there, and who was organizing.

It sucks.

Yeah, I avoided all the anti-war protests as well, for the same reason. Much as I agreed with the idea of opposing the war, I really didn’t want to deal with the usual incoherent mish-mash of groups that were going to be at any demonstrations.

I’ve never been one for street demonstrations. For any issue I care about, I write my Representatives and Senators, donate money, or find some other way to get involved that’s on my own terms.

566 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:20:52pm

re: #561 eclectic infidel

You know what’s funny? Most would be afraid to approach a gay guy for fashion advise. Me? Not so much. I want to make sue the guy is gay first.

567 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:21:10pm

re: #553 negativ

Because I don’t worship at the altar of Bob Dylan?

It ain’t no use to sit and wonder why, babe,
Iffen you don’t know by now.

568 torrentprime  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:21:26pm

re: #561 eclectic infidel

For many years after I moved to San Francisco, my gay friends would go shopping with me to make sure I got the best deals and outfits available. I owe them many many thanks (and drinks) for their superb sense of fashion. Now at least I know how to mix and match and accessorize. Before the late 1990’s I truly didn’t have a clue.

I have two straight friends who routinely text me pics of their clothing options before they get dressed or the work-in-progress outfits for Friday night or date night. One of the texts I received one night was titled “GFA”. After I sent the friend my thumbs-up on what he was wearing, I texted again and asked what the title stood for. “Gay Fashion Advice” was the answer.

569 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:22:23pm

re: #77 Soap_Man

He should have tried to catch the shoe. That would have been really badass.

True, but he may not have realize it was a shoe, as opposed to, say, a grenade, while it was flying at him.

570 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #562 Spare O’Lake

at risk of being insulting, its amazing how you take every single thing at face value and in the worst (to you anyways) possible light.

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #100 windsagio

it kind of hurts, my (in general deeply conservative, but coming around) sister is totally behind the HC reforms, except she’s bought into the folderol around abortion. It’s upsetting that it works.

It does work. People care a lot about it. Which totally sucks, given that there is no reason for anyone to worry about this on grounds of preventing abortion funding.

572 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:25:57pm

re: #570 windsagio

at risk of being insulting, its amazing how you take every single thing at face value and in the worst (to you anyways) possible light.

Your retort, as usual, is a complete waste of bandwith.

573 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:26:32pm

Windy? You still here? Looking @ Rep. Bumgardenter (sp?) with bow tie and bicycle pin?!

574 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:26:49pm

re: #555 allegro

Because you don’t get it. Not a criticism, cuz you were too young to understand.

So far you haven’t presented any evidence to back up your implied assertion that Bob Dylan is something other than an embarrassing brand-name product coveted by those who continue to sell The Sixties as something almost as mind-blowing as the Sham-Wow.

Educate me, O ye guru.

575 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:27:04pm

re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but he may not have realize it was a shoe, as opposed to, say, a grenade, while it was flying at him.

People don’t know this. Castro tried out for the Washington Senators and failed. If he was a good pitcher, what would have happened?

576 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:27:23pm

I like Dylan but I realize he’s not for everyone. I was brought up on him by my Dad.

577 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:28:25pm

re: #559 NJDhockeyfan

I was born in the early 60s. I’m not a dylan fan either. Nothing personal, he’s just not my type of music. Johnny Cash was a fan & a friend. I like Cash’s music but Dylan’s just doesn’t do anything for me.

I can dig that since personal taste is everything when it comes to music. Dylan is certainly an acquired taste. No one would claim he had a great singing voice - that wasn’t his value. Dylan was the classic troubadour, like Woody Guthrie, and Dylan’s contemporary Paul Simon, telling the tales of the day, speaking the truths.

578 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:28:32pm

re: #576 HappyWarrior

I like Dylan but I realize he’s not for everyone. I was brought up on him by my Dad.

I like acid. But only at TOOL concerts.

579 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:29:47pm

re: #573 Stanley Sea

I’m gonna try to look!

580 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:11pm

re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. GWB was never called a Nazi.

But was he also called a Communist?

581 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:47pm

re: #579 windsagio

damnation, I missed it.

582 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:31:15pm

re: #577 allegro

No one would claim he had a great singing voice - that wasn’t his value. Dylan was the classic troubadour, like Woody Guthrie, and Dylan’s contemporary Paul Simon, telling the tales of the day, speaking the truths.

Yeah, this. It’s not Dylan’s voice, or even his guitar playing, that have made him an enduring talent. It’s his songwriting and the stories he tells. It took me until my late 20’s before I really appreciated Dylan at all, but he is a legend for a reason.

My personal preference is for Johnny Cash, but there’s no denying Dylan’s talent, or that he wrote songs that have spoken to people for decades.

583 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:27pm

re: #580 SanFranciscoZionist

But was he also called a Communist?

I’m sure he was.

584 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:38pm

re: #579 windsagio

I’m gonna try to look!

He’s gone. He had like 25 seconds. But he’s an interesting bird, a Rep. from Oregon, I think I spelled his name incorrectly.

585 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:39pm

re: #575 Cannadian Club Akbar

People don’t know this. Castro tried out for the Washington Senators and failed. If he was a good pitcher, what would have happened?

I know that one. Sucks for Cuba. Like Castro I was a lefty pitcher myself back in the day heh.

586 allegro  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:40pm

re: #582 Lidane

My personal preference is for Johnny Cash, but there’s no denying Dylan’s talent, or that he wrote songs that have spoken to people for decades.

So did Johnny Cash. There’s no substitute for that honesty and open heart.

587 Lidane  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:33:54pm

re: #586 allegro

So did Johnny Cash. There’s no substitute for that honesty and open heart.

Well, yeah. Plus, Cash had that voice. I’m a huge fan of Cash. He was amazing.

588 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:35:37pm

re: #584 Stanley Sea

Blumenauer. He’s one of ours!

589 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:35:46pm

re: #585 HappyWarrior

I know that one. Sucks for Cuba. Like Castro I was a lefty pitcher myself back in the day heh.

Me lefty as well. I wanna pitch for the Rays. :(

590 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:04pm

re: #562 Spare O’Lake

You should be the last one to label others as “deniers” merely because they are looking at the surrounding factual context.

And you should be the last one to keep deflecting from the issue at hand.

591 sagehen  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:40pm

re: #564 prairiefire

Go to a blues club with dancing frequented by African Americans and you will see the best dressed women and men that you ever have in your life.

Jazz fans are way better-dressed, individually and on average (blues clubs attract a certain percentage of scruffy).

592 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:38:06pm

re: #588 windsagio

Blumenauer. He’s one of ours!

What’s up with the bicycle pin??

593 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:40:19pm

re: #592 Stanley Sea

He seriously loves bikes. Its kinda a Portland thing, but he’s a real fanatic.

594 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:41:26pm

re: #589 Cannadian Club Akbar

Me lefty as well. I wanna pitch for the Rays. :(

Orioles here, it was my dream to make their team but I couldn’t hit haha. I loved every second of pitching when I was a kid though. Nothing better than being out there on the mound, just you, the catcher, the hitter, and hte ump.

595 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:41:29pm

re: #593 windsagio

He seriously loves bikes. Its kinda a Portland thing, but he’s a real fanatic.

He’s cute.

596 windsagio  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:43:19pm

re: #595 Stanley Sea

He really is!

Darling even.

597 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:46:36pm

politico.com

Hey the VOTE debate…

598 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:47:10pm

out.

599 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:47:42pm

re: #598 Cannadian Club Akbar

out.

Flounce!
/

600 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:53:46pm

re: #77 Soap_Man

He should have tried to catch the shoe. That would have been really badass.

Agreed…if W had caught a shoe between both hands like a ninja stopping a blade, it would have been even more cool.

;-P

601 ejp0805  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:16:38pm

Wow. I’m a little disappointed in this blog for taking the bait on this. When I first saw this headline on Yahoo news I thought it was an example of media bias and I still do. Why? Even if these alleged racial remarks were made by a few, is it really fair to imply that the sentiment is shared by everyone at the protest? Isn’t it obvious that the media are attempting to discredit these protesters by selectively zeroing in on a few bad apples?

We all know that there were unsavory characters at anti-war rallies during the Bush administration (burning American soldiers in effigy, for instance).
Would it have been fair at the time for newspapers to run a headline that screamed “Anti-War Protesters Burn US Soldier in Effigy?” Probably not, since those people were clearly extremists and not representative of the other protesters on the whole.

Just a thought.

602 Kwinn00  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:28:53pm

HAHAHA, thousands of video cameras and reporters there, and no snippets of the slurs?
Amazing…

603 ejp0805  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:01:07pm

re: #602 Kwinn00

That’s a good point and that occurred to me as well.

Oh, but some anonymous CNN producer or someone heard it, so it must be true.

604 Randall Gross  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:18:33pm

So first you say “It’s a plant!” then you go to “There’s no evidence!’ discounting news reporters. That’s pretty weak argumentation that hinges on conspiracy mentality. Nice try at a dead thread tag team…

605 lrsshadow  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:25:39pm

re: #602 Kwinn00

HAHAHA, thousands of video cameras and reporters there, and no snippets of the slurs?
Amazing…

Actually here is the Video and watch it for yourself, listen to it yourself and judge the crowd;

Youtube Video

606 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 10:04:40am

re: #601 ejp0805

Just a thought.

Yeah, if denial or tu quoque count as “thought”, you could say that.

607 treeMack  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 9:00:43am

two things:
1) Calling Barney Frank a faggot is like calling me a honky. Not the most pleasant of descriptions but true none the less.

2) in all of these proclamations of the “N” word - ? What “Nefarious”, “Naked Power Grab”? Does anyone have a video or audio recording of this? Some of these lefties have a history of false accusations in order to make them selves look more righteous. I don’t believe em till I see em. You know in this day and age, there’s always someone with a camera, video cell phone, etc.

608 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 9:29:06am

re: #607 treeMack

You have posted three comments in 2.5 years: a Birther comment, a creationist comment and now this disgusting spew.

Get off my website.


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