Sunday Afternoon Music: Don Ross, ‘Three Hands’
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Here’s a midday music thread featuring Don Ross on the Frameworks guitar.
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simoom Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:22:30pm |
The Cynic Project - Falling (Feat. Jennifer Grimm)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:24:46pm |
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freetoken Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:28:34pm |
I know this is a fresh thread and all... so apologies in stinking it up by discussing the HotWingNuts article on the racial slur incidents yesterday... but I just read the comment over there on the featured "Republican leaders denounce slurs aimed at Democrats" article.
That so many HotWingNuts commenters are in total denial is a testament to fact that rage/hate does indeed blind. I realize it is a function of human physiology, but I have to believe it is also a moral failing.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:30:33pm |
Yes, new thread. I can actually post fast enough to stay with conversation again for a while.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:33:12pm |
re: #5 freetoken
Yeah, it's an obvious problem from the outside but they just lack the ability or motivation to see it. Until recently Hot Air was owned by someone who writes for VDARE. The still publish RSM's writings in the Green Room. The site is filled with hatred and racial slurs directed often at the President's wife.
They can't see the problem.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:35:33pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:39:25pm |
Allow me to vent a bit. Dem Sen Jim Webb thinks it will help cut stress in War zones to reintroduce beer. Yeah. He's serious. This moron is serious.
Now balance this with this one. Good old Gen. McCrystal has decided to remove all the fast food trailers from forward areas. Yep, no more Pizza Hut, Burger King, or Subway. Because it costs to much to ship their supplies. Huh? Do we not ship the chow hall food? His other so called reason is it makes Soldiers fat. Really, and what does the chocolate cake in the chow hall do? But of course, he has a personal chef.
Now consider this. The suicide rate has been rising in conjunction with the number of prescriptions for psychoactive drugs. Soooo we give them booze and take away comfort food. What next, take away their care packages and give them pot?
Consider that when my Soldiers were angry and stressed about working on a holiday most everyone else had off, we NCOs chipped in and bought them pizza. Helped to take the edge off. Not so much buying them a beer while they have access to both guns and bullets.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:39:30pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
That was about the time I closed my CNN feed.
Zero diversity in more ways than one. The homogeneity is astonishing.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:45:13pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
I watched a little bit this morning. I'll turn it on again soon once I finish a few things in the meat world.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:47:51pm |
re: #8 Jadespring
IMF is changing it's tune on capital controls.
Talk about a global game changer.
Capital Controls = We can keep you from moving your money to prevent us from taxing it. If the Guardian thinks that's a good idea, I'm against it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:49:37pm |
re: #9 Escaped Hillbilly
Allow me to vent a bit. Dem Sen Jim Webb thinks it will help cut stress in War zones to reintroduce beer. Yeah. He's serious. This moron is serious.
Now balance this with this one. Good old Gen. McCrystal has decided to remove all the fast food trailers from forward areas. Yep, no more Pizza Hut, Burger King, or Subway. Because it costs to much to ship their supplies. Huh? Do we not ship the chow hall food? His other so called reason is it makes Soldiers fat. Really, and what does the chocolate cake in the chow hall do? But of course, he has a personal chef.
Now consider this. The suicide rate has been rising in conjunction with the number of prescriptions for psychoactive drugs. Sooo we give them booze and take away comfort food. What next, take away their care packages and give them pot?
Consider that when my Soldiers were angry and stressed about working on a holiday most everyone else had off, we NCOs chipped in and bought them pizza. Helped to take the edge off. Not so much buying them a beer while they have access to both guns and bullets.
Very foolish. Senator Webb should be more keen to keep Subway around than bring in booze. Alcohol plus firearms equals big trouble.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:51:14pm |
This is pretty good, I like it -- wonder how it would sound on banjo.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:53:29pm |
re: #12 Dark_Falcon
Capital Controls = We can keep you from moving your money to prevent us from taxing it. If the Guardian thinks that's a good idea, I'm against it.
It's has absolutely nothing to do with the guardian not that using that sort of logic actually means anything. The story is about the IMF. This change if they follow through is a major globally reaching change in financial and economic philosophy.
It's so major I thought it must have been a Onion article when I first read it.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:53:44pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Thanks, I feel better. Just needed to rant a bit.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:56:58pm |
re: #16 Escaped Hillbilly
Thanks, I feel better. Just needed to rant a bit.
We all need to rant sometimes. I'm happy to listen when you need to do so.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:58:10pm |
Sunday afternoon entertainment:
The HIRISE satellite does high resolution imaging of Mars.
The good people at the University of Arizona puts some of the images into videos. That latest is really cool. Be sure to watch the HD version if you have the bandwidth:
Better yet, download the HD file and play it in VLC at full screen.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:59:13pm |
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:00:47pm |
Frum HC bill is their Waterloo:
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:01:00pm |
re: #9 Escaped Hillbilly
Allow me to vent a bit. Dem Sen Jim Webb thinks it will help cut stress in War zones to reintroduce beer. Yeah. He's serious. This moron is serious.
Now balance this with this one. Good old Gen. McCrystal has decided to remove all the fast food trailers from forward areas. Yep, no more Pizza Hut, Burger King, or Subway. Because it costs to much to ship their supplies. Huh? Do we not ship the chow hall food? His other so called reason is it makes Soldiers fat. Really, and what does the chocolate cake in the chow hall do? But of course, he has a personal chef.
Now consider this. The suicide rate has been rising in conjunction with the number of prescriptions for psychoactive drugs. Sooo we give them booze and take away comfort food. What next, take away their care packages and give them pot?
Consider that when my Soldiers were angry and stressed about working on a holiday most everyone else had off, we NCOs chipped in and bought them pizza. Helped to take the edge off. Not so much buying them a beer while they have access to both guns and bullets.
These brave young men and women should be provided with the very best, most varied and tastiest food that money can buy.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:02:00pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
I watched a little bit this morning. I'll turn it on again soon once I finish a few things in the meat world.
GOP house member just mentioned the Soviets. Ended by saying "say no to socialism and no to totalitarianism."
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:02:12pm |
re: #20 Thanos
"Their" meaning radicals in the party
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:03:37pm |
How bout some blues courtesy of Serbian babe Ana Popovic!
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:04:16pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:05:40pm |
re: #20 Thanos
Frum HC bill is their Waterloo:
[Video]
He's right. We'll see what happens but I doubt we'll see any soul searching. Republicans have convinced themselves that the angry mob is going to drive out the Dems for passing healthcare reform.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:05:45pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
You know, last night, cspan had some guys on that were talking to the chairs and they sounded pretty reasonable and made a few good points. Why can't these guys get the time of day? Socialism? Stupid.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:06:56pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:07:37pm |
re: #28 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, last night, cspan had some guys on that were talking to the chairs and they sounded pretty reasonable and made a few good points. Why can't these guys get the time of day? Socialism? Stupid.
I don't know. Sound bytes because they know they're getting a big audience? The Soviet comparison is out there. Especially if one considers the history of the Soviet Union.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:13:38pm |
Irish reaction to the Vatican Letter
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freetoken Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:16:24pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Frum is likely onto the truth here. The GOP traded long term ideological losses for a small near term (probably on a few House seats) gain.
Mentioned before, but I spoke with my very elderly mother this week. She is concerned that the "right wing billionaires" are going to take away SS. While my mother may not be the ultimate litmus test in politics, that she would even say such a thing to me was surprising (she normally doesn't mention politics.)
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:17:51pm |
I missed what the Dem guy said that got him in trouble. Anyone have a synopsis?
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freetoken Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:18:22pm |
re: #33 Gordon Marock
There is no value in these exercises.
Speaking of which, I'm off to the gym, where I will ponder the meaning of "value in these exercises".
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:18:42pm |
re: #35 Jadespring
I missed what the Dem guy said that got him in trouble. Anyone have a synopsis?
Sorry to be clear on C-span. My link crapped out and when I got it back it said his words were being reviewed by the clerk.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:22:52pm |
re: #33 Gordon Marock
It's always valuable to smack racist assholes and fruitloops on their asses if for nothing else so that the young and impressionable don't think it's acceptable behavior.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:25:30pm |
re: #40 Gordon Marock
Not when people like you don't seem to be getting in. Now go get back in bed with your racist friends
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windsagio Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:25:36pm |
re: #39 Gordon Marock
Thanks for enlightening us, I suggest you don't read a blog that makes you so upset >>
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:25:55pm |
Comments whining about what is posted at LGF are going to be deleted.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:26:44pm |
Michelle Obama has a guest role on The Simpsons tonight. Nothing non-light-hearted, but its sure to raise the hackles of a wingnut or two.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:26:57pm |
When talking to idjits reply is always your friend
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:27:39pm |
Oops...shouldn't have quoted that one. Sorry Charles.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:28:45pm |
just saw rahm emanual profile on 60 minutes ... he came off pretty well.
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Gordon Marock Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:28:50pm |
I get the point that this is not my blog. I used to love coming to LGF to get info and see really good policy discussion. I don't want the Republican party to be taken over by Theocrats, as I am a Libertarian. However, at some point, every one here needs to start agreeing with me.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:02pm |
re: #50 Gordon Marock
No, we really don't have to start agreeing with you.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:02pm |
re: #43 windsagio
Thanks for enlightening us, I suggest you don't read a blog that makes you so upset >>
He can't get on line much. His job lurking under a bridge takes up most of his time.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:17pm |
re: #50 Gordon Marock
"However, at some point, every one here needs to start agreeing with me."
What are you a comedian?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:25pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:30:25pm |
re: #50 Gordon Marock
Sorry Nodrog. Go whine somewhere else if your not going to contribute to the debate. We don't like wimpy whiners here.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:31:11pm |
re: #50 Gordon Marock
However, at some point, every one here needs to start agreeing with me.
Agree with what exactly?
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:31:25pm |
re: #50 Gordon Marock
Please leave this one up Charles - this is the funniest post I have seen in a long time.
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Gordon Marock Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:06pm |
re: #55 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry Nodrog. Go whine somewhere else if your not going to contribute to the debate. We don't like wimpy whiners here.
Sorry, there is no debate. I make a fair comment and I am called a racist and told to go crawl off with my "Tea Party" friends. Wrong on all counts. Oh well, so be it. Ciao.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:27pm |
"However, at some point, every one here needs to start agreeing with me."
Rotating title?
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:43pm |
There's 581 comments in the previous thread talking about the policy, there's a Frum interview in this thread pointing out that the HCRB is a Waterloo for Republicans, yet GM thinks there's nothing substantive.
/none so blind...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:48pm |
re: #59 Racer X
"However, at some point, every one here needs to start agreeing with me."
Rotating title?
Seconded.
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:32:55pm |
Funny: Obambi reached out his hands to the Mullahregime and they react in a very friendly manner, shouting "Death to Obama", "Death to America".
But I guess, this will just encourage the European in the White House to intensify the dialogue and talk more about "mutual respect".
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:33:06pm |
re: #58 Gordon Marock
And the flounce is complete.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:33:17pm |
re: #58 Gordon Marock
Sounds flouncy to me wimpy
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:34:11pm |
re: #58 Gordon Marock
Sorry, there is no debate. I make a fair comment and I am called a racist and told to go crawl off with my "Tea Party" friends. Wrong on all counts. Oh well, so be it. Ciao.
So one dude said something nasty and you run away?
What about my question. I seriously would like to know what people are supposed to agree with because I didn't understand what you were saying.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:34:24pm |
re: #62 gegenkritik
What European in the White House? Don't you mean Indonesian?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:35:14pm |
re: #66 prairiefire
What European in the White House? Don't you mean Indonesian?
Maybe it was a typo.
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:35:46pm |
re: #66 prairiefire
If I meant Indonesian, I would write it.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:36:09pm |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
Seconded.
I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks in support of Killgore Trout's seconding.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:36:09pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Maybe it was a typo.
I think he's referring to the current progressive affinity for Euro technocrat style programs, I could be mistaken however.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:36:16pm |
re: #58 Gordon Marock
Dude, Lizards don't always agree on the beer choice for the evening, or the current music selection. This is not an echo chamber. Be civil and you will get your say. You may get beat up a bit, or challenged on an opinion, but no, we will not all agree with you. On anything.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:36:57pm |
re: #66 prairiefire
What European in the White House? Don't you mean Indonesian?
His mother is white so I suppose European would be true too.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:07pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks in support of Killgore Trout's seconding.
I yield the remainder of my time.
/We've been watching too much c-span
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:12pm |
re: #71 Escaped Hillbilly
No, no. Everyone must agree with me!
No offense but if everyone had to agree with someone I would prefer that it would be with me. :D
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:13pm |
re: #62 gegenkritik
One troll logs off and another arrives. They're working in relays tonight.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:24pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks in support of Killgore Trout's seconding.
Let's just deem it is so.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:37:28pm |
re: #55 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry Nodrog. Go whine somewhere else if your not going to contribute to the debate. We don't like wimpy whiners here.
Yeah, we've got more than enough of those already.
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:38:03pm |
re: #73 Thanos
I think he was referring to European because Obama is a European, in the worst meaning of the word.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:38:23pm |
At some point most of you would agree with me that beer tastes good.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:38:37pm |
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:38:40pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
I yield the remainder of my time.
/We've been watching too much c-span
Me too. I'm beginning to fear that my dreams tonight will be full of 'with unanimous consent I yield...."
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:39:04pm |
re: #82 gegenkritik
Clarify ? I don't think I understand what you are getting at?
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:39:30pm |
re: #83 Racer X
At some point most of you would agree with me that beer tastes good.
Never could stand the stuff.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:40:47pm |
re: #87 Escaped Hillbilly
Never could stand the stuff.
Blasphemer!
Please exit the echo chamber immediately!
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windsagio Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:40:54pm |
re: #81 Spare O'Lake
whining about whiners makes a black hole, so be careful >
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:40:59pm |
re: #82 gegenkritik
What is wrong with being European?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:41:11pm |
WOW, in my anti-Bob Dylan jihad I was about to cite Don Ross.
Get out of my mind, Charles. Seriously.
(But not before you look at the California Guitar Trio stuff)
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:41:50pm |
re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, what happened today?
I think America is getting ready to be destroyed...
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Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:42:03pm |
re: #83 Racer X
At some point most of you would agree with me that beer tastes good.
I agree, most Europeans drink beer.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:42:34pm |
I just stopped by to see,
What condition my condition was in...
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:43:01pm |
So glad the Roberts' Rules of Order-ese popping up in this thread indicates I'm not the only lizard watching C-SPAN right now.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:43:05pm |
re: #93 Bagua
I agree, most Europeans drink beer.
I don't blame them. Beer in Europe is really tasty.
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:43:42pm |
re: #86 Thanos
Obama not only renews the European tradition of Appeasement (is there any thugocracy with which he was not fraternizing in the last months?), he is also almost as hostile to Israel as most Europeans are. And, most important: Like most Europeans, he has a strong love for Islam, which he has been promoting on several occasions.
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Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:43:57pm |
re: #96 Jadespring
I don't blame them. Beer in Europe is really tasty.
I think we can all eventually agree on that.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:44:22pm |
re: #95 torrentprime
So glad the Roberts' Rules of Order-ese popping up in this thread indicates I'm not the only lizard watching C-SPAN right now.
I used to have the book, that ended up all dog eared and marked up. When I didn't need it anymore I burned it in a bonfire. It was very cathartic.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:44:59pm |
Gegentrik -- help us out here, do you mean European like Lega Nord "drive the Roms out" European, or European like Dutch "anything goes except Neo Nazis" European?
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:45:15pm |
re: #97 gegenkritik
Obama not only renews the European tradition of Appeasement (is there any thugocracy with which he was not fraternizing in the last months?), he is also almost as hostile to Israel as most Europeans are. And, most important: Like most Europeans, he has a strong love for Islam, which he has been promoting on several occasions.
Oh my.
WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:45:16pm |
re: #9 Escaped Hillbilly
Allow me to vent a bit. Dem Sen Jim Webb thinks it will help cut stress in War zones to reintroduce beer. Yeah. He's serious. This moron is serious.
Now balance this with this one. Good old Gen. McCrystal has decided to remove all the fast food trailers from forward areas. Yep, no more Pizza Hut, Burger King, or Subway. Because it costs to much to ship their supplies. Huh? Do we not ship the chow hall food? His other so called reason is it makes Soldiers fat. Really, and what does the chocolate cake in the chow hall do? But of course, he has a personal chef.
Now consider this. The suicide rate has been rising in conjunction with the number of prescriptions for psychoactive drugs. Sooo we give them booze and take away comfort food. What next, take away their care packages and give them pot?
Consider that when my Soldiers were angry and stressed about working on a holiday most everyone else had off, we NCOs chipped in and bought them pizza. Helped to take the edge off. Not so much buying them a beer while they have access to both guns and bullets.
Oh but Teh Obesity! We must protects them from Teh Obesity!
/what, don't they get enough exercise?
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:45:44pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:45:50pm |
This video shows what happens when Les Claypool and The Ghost of Michael Hedges get together.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:46:25pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:46:34pm |
re: #96 Jadespring
I don't blame them. Beer in Europe is really tasty.
And hot. And there's straw floating in it. And a fish with an eye-patch. You have to blow on it like it's coffee.
-Paraphrasing Jay Moir.
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allegro Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:46:50pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
I just stopped by to see,
What condition my condition was in...
Wow, thanks for that link. I haven't heard that song in years. Total acid-trippin' retro to the 60s. Fun.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:47:39pm |
re: #97 gegenkritik
Oh I see you meant European like "talk tough about terror but don't really do anything about it and discount the war effort European"....
Unfortunately that doesn't work for Obama, since he apparently has zero fear of attacking terrorists anywhere, and has created huge gaps in their leadership the past two years.
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:48:17pm |
re: #102 Thanos
I see you are very well informed about European politics. In fact, 99% of Europeans voted for the Lega Nord in the last elections (which will be the last ones, since there now is a Lega Nord-dictatorship in Europe).
(Just for some morons: The sentences above contain sarcasm to make fun of Thanos, who has no clue about Europe at all).
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:48:44pm |
Gegentrik meant European like posture on this and that and count on the US to bail your ass out.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:49:23pm |
re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And hot. And there's straw floating in it. And a fish with an eye-patch. You have to blow on it like it's coffee.
-Paraphrasing Jay Moir.
Ha! First time I went to Scotland I was 16ish. Dad said make sure you get to a pub and order a Guinness. So I did with a few friends. It was nothing liked I'd seen here. We had fun seeing how many forks we could stand up in the froth. We managed three.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:49:32pm |
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:50:39pm |
I am authorized by S.O.R.O.S. to announce that Jimmah and the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ have been physically reunited.
The (ahem) necessary interfacing and programming updates may take several days, during which, I, CATObot, will have to do triple wingnut whackdown duty. Sorry for any inconvenience.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:50:43pm |
I'm gonna' have one shot for every NAY vote.
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Nervous Norvous Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:50:43pm |
re: #115 Jadespring
Ha! First time I went to Scotland I was 16ish. Dad said make sure you get to a pub and order a Guinness. So I did with a few friends. It was nothing liked I'd seen here. We had fun seeing how many forks we could stand up in the froth. We managed three.
I think beer should be chewed
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:50:46pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
Heh. Just give it time. We'll hit Massive before long.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:51:46pm |
Of course, that will probably take me a year.
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Nervous Norvous Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:52:42pm |
re: #121 MandyManners
Of course, that will probably take me a year.
I'm popping popcorn so if you hear any news stories about houses filled with popcorn..that would be me
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:52:42pm |
Well, this is strange. Every time I hit "post this comment", I'm shot up to the top of the page.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:53:19pm |
re: #118 MandyManners
I'm gonna' have one shot for every NAY vote.
I'd be willing to do one shot for every Democrat Nay vote. I'd be wasted otherwise.
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Gordon Marock Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:53:50pm |
Sorry for the delay, I had to walk my Mother in Law's dog. I will mull each of your comments and respond appropriately tomorrow.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:54:04pm |
re: #117 Cato the Elder
I am authorized by S.O.R.O.S. to announce that Jimmah and the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ have been physically reunited.
The (ahem) necessary interfacing and programming updates may take several days, during which, I, CATObot, will have to do triple wingnut whackdown duty. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Well as for the interface, I found I a vid for it. It's a mainstream song:
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:54:13pm |
The little button that shoots you to the comment to which you are replying is gone. Who stole my button? Buncha' fucking commie thieves.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:54:34pm |
re: #118 MandyManners
I'm gonna' have one shot for every NAY vote.
Are they actually voting yet? I'm not near a TV at the moment.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:55:06pm |
re: #122 PT Barnum
I'm popping popcorn so if you hear any news stories about houses filled with popcorn..that would be me
Gonna' take a lot of butter.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:55:07pm |
re: #126 Gordon Marock
Sorry for the delay, I had to walk my Mother in Law's dog. I will mull each of your comments and respond appropriately tomorrow.
Bated breath.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:55:14pm |
re: #124 MandyManners
I think I'm gonna' hurl.
Try to keep the PV away from the monitor and keyboard.
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:55:16pm |
re: #129 Lidane
Are they actually voting yet? I'm not near a TV at the moment.
Nope.
Sorry about the Commie plot Mandy.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:55:50pm |
re: #125 Racer X
I'd be willing to do one shot for every Democrat Nay vote. I'd be wasted otherwise.
Don't wanna' think about it.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:56:15pm |
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei rejects new Obama offer of dialogue as a 'plot'
Iran’s Supreme Leader yesterday rejected a renewed offer of dialogue with Washington from President Obama, and accused the US of continuing to plot against Tehran while offering peace.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei accused Mr Obama of arrogance for using a Persian new year message to repeat his offer of talks — intended to defuse mounting international concern that Iran is building a nuclear bomb.
“You cannot talk about peace and friendship, and at the same time plot and plan sedition, and think that you can hurt the regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” said Ayatollah Khamenei in an address on state television to mark Nowruz, the Persian new year.
Paranoia is running high among the mullahs.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:56:17pm |
Free Republic's live health care thread now has over 5000 comments. Among the tidbits, we have allegations about Wiccans and child sacrifice (this being somehow tied to Obamacare), many demands for secession, a lot of babbling about states' rights, a large-scale resurgence of birtherism, and an apparent call for government employees to be fed to hogs.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:56:21pm |
re: #129 Lidane
Are they actually voting yet? I'm not near a TV at the moment.
Beats me. I'm hiding out.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:56:44pm |
re: #126 Gordon Marock
Why don't you tighten that belt up, screw up your courage and reply here and now tonight while we are actually paying attention? Or are you going to be like the R's who lined up to revise and extend their remarks rather than actually debate so they could pump a lot of BS into the record when you know nobody is paying attention?
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:57:13pm |
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:57:17pm |
re: #135 NJDhockeyfan
Heh, Admiral Akbar is making the rounds lately....
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:57:33pm |
re: #124 MandyManners
I think I'm gonna' hurl.
Pretty soon you will have free health care to fix that. You may have to wait in line for a while, though.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:57:42pm |
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:58:02pm |
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:58:04pm |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Bated breath.
After what you recently went through, I would assume you'd practice better oral hygiene. ;)
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:58:07pm |
re: #126 Gordon Marock
Sorry for the delay, I had to walk my Mother in Law's dog. I will mull each of your comments and respond appropriately tomorrow.
I suggest you type out your comments first then read them to your MIL's dog. I'm sure he'll find it more interesting. He'll probably even agree with you.
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:58:25pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:58:35pm |
re: #141 NJDhockeyfan
Pretty soon you will have free health care to fix that. You may have to wait in line for a while, though.
Fuck that. I'll pay cash.
Are we still allowed to have cash?
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:59:01pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:59:04pm |
re: #144 bratwurst
After what you recently went through, I would assume you'd practice better oral hygiene. ;)
I really have no idea what you mean? I hope that was suppose to be humorous?
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 5:59:05pm |
re: #104 Alouette
No, unfortunately, busting tape (being over the BMI) is rising in frequency. It has become such a problem that the rule requiring discharge for failing to meet standards had to be relaxed and now all discharges for this have to be approved by a General Officer, O-6 or higher. You can count on the fingers of one foot how often that happens. It is actually quite easy to gain weight while deployed. I just don't think taking away Pizza and Subway is gonna change that. And it will effect morale in a bad way. There is nowhere, literally nowhere to go in Iraq or Afghanistan on the little bit of time off you get. Stopping by the fast food joint is a way of getting away from the military grind and getting a reminder of home. Didn't Jarod lose weight on that stuff? I don't know why they are getting rid of it. Just know it is real unpopular at my level. So far I haven't seen it written down anywhere, we've just been told by our instructors that this is in the works. Have to wait and see I guess.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:00:20pm |
re: #135 NJDhockeyfan
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei rejects new Obama offer of dialogue as a 'plot'
Paranoia is running high among the mullahs.
Even the Mullahs have figured out that Obama's positions change at the drop of a hat.
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:00:58pm |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
I really have no idea what you mean? I hope that was suppose to be humorous?
Sorry...aborted attempted at humor. I live in fear of the kind of dental issues you described here a while back.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:01:03pm |
re: #147 MandyManners
Fuck that. I'll pay cash.
Are we still allowed to have cash?
After your taxes go up and your heath insurance rises you may not have much left.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:01:59pm |
Now my Strike/Italicize/Bold/Quote/Link buttons are gone. Damn Commie plot.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:02:16pm |
re: #153 bratwurst
Sorry...aborted attempted at humor. I live in fear of the kind of dental issues you described here a while back.
Oh... I didn't recognize the back story reference. Sort of like a LOST flashback... and I missed it.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:02:24pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:02:47pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:03:11pm |
re: #154 NJDhockeyfan
After your taxes go up and your heath insurance rises you may not have much left.
Got lots buried out back.
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:03:38pm |
re: #156 Walter L. Newton
Oh... I didn't recognize the back story reference. Sort of like a LOST flashback... and I missed it.
I am so afraid of dental problems that your teeth are more on my mind than yours I guess. Hope all is well there in any case.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:03:45pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:03:46pm |
re: #128 MandyManners
The little button that shoots you to the comment to which you are replying is gone. Who stole my button? Buncha' fucking commie thieves.
Are you sure you haven't started the shots yet?:-)
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:03:52pm |
re: #154 NJDhockeyfan
After your taxes go up and your heath insurance rises you may not have much left.
In the next days and weeks, the voters will notice the world has not come to the end after all as predicted by the fear merchants.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:04:24pm |
re: #158 Spare O'Lake
Projectile Vomit
Oooh. More demonic possession. I thought it was restricted to D.C. tonight.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:04:25pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:05:04pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:05:07pm |
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:05:33pm |
re: #163 avanti
In the next days and weeks, the voters will notice the world has not come to the end after all as predicted by the fear merchants.
The problem with hyperbole. The only way the GOP can be "right" is if the Republic quickly collapses. Even a modest success can be seen as a victory when the other side says your plans were drafted in the bowels of hell.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:05:50pm |
re: #161 NJDhockeyfan
Next to the bodies?
Naw. Body parts are nailed over the mantle. Well, just one. Body part, that it. Left testicle.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:06:24pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:06:32pm |
re: #160 bratwurst
I am so afraid of dental problems that your teeth are more on my mind than yours I guess. Hope all is well there in any case.
Yes... actually everything is done... finally have a full set of teeth in my mouth, after about 10 years of dealing with dental work. Some real, some not, some partial, some a whole denture. I can actually mix and match what pieces I put in first, last... lot's of fun. Makes me feel like I'm getting prep at makeup for a horror movie.
Oh... and I get AM radio stations really clear.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:07:10pm |
re: #163 avanti
In the next days and weeks, the voters will notice the world has not come to the end after all as predicted by the fear merchants.
How about five years down the road? Two years? Ten years?
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:07:11pm |
re: #151 Spare O'Lake
The good thing is, that most of the leadership of the Mullahregime is incredibly dumb. If they would just let the moderate Moussavi win over the hardliner Ahmadinejad, the whole world would jubilate (and praise the Messiah in the White House, because it was his Hopenchange which influenced Iran...). Tehran could build the bomb silently with even lesser opposition against it then they have now.
Obama is begging them for a sign of love, but all they give him is a slap in the face. It's pathetic.
And by the way: I miss Bush.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:07:12pm |
re: #169 Soap_Man
The problem with hyperbole. The only way the GOP can be "right" is if the Republic quickly collapses. Even a modest success can be seen as a victory when the other side says your plans were drafted in the bowels of hell.
Aim really low and you'll never be disappointed.
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:07:20pm |
re: #165 HoosierHoops
I prefer the freezer
Reminds me of a moment from Law and Order. Briscoe and Green are interviewing a witness, who runs an online only bank. He says the return is better because of the low overhead and gives Briscoe a full sales pitch.
"No thanks. I'm happy with my mattress."
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:07:45pm |
re: #147 MandyManners
Congratulations: You're fucked!
Getting un-fucked, if it works at all, is going to take something like 20 or 30 treatments with chemistry with side-effects that may make you question why death is supposed to be worse. If you take these treatments in an out-patient clinic, you can count on it costing somewhere around $6000-$8000 each time. If you have to do it in a hospital, expect that number to double.
But always remember: If you can't pay your own way, you're a scumbag deadbeat looking for a hand-out.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:08:19pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:08:19pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:08:20pm |
Stormfront: TEA Party Leader, GOP Condemn 'Racial Slurs' Hurled at Negro Politician
Keep in mind that there is no video, audio, etc., and that the source of the news is the negro Congressman himself. Those who were at the event say they heard no slurs whatsoever. But the media is running with it anyways.
The only time hearsay gets reported as 'news' is when it can be used to put White people on the defensive. And take note - Fox News - the 'conservative network' - has participated in this tactic as well.
The Jews are so afraid that a Nationalist party is going to rise in America that they are pulling no punches in trying to kill it in its infancy. But it won't matter. Eventually the cries of 'racism' will fall on deaf ears as the angry and abused White middle class finally rises up and puts this degenerate establishment to death.
Tea Party!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:08:57pm |
re: #135 NJDhockeyfan
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei rejects new Obama offer of dialogue as a 'plot'
Paranoia is running high among the mullahs.
This could be looked upon as a good thing. Don't really want the pres in "dialogue" with these people. What for? What promises are they going to make and actually keep? pfft
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:09:31pm |
re: #174 gegenkritik
The good thing is, that most of the leadership of the Mullahregime is incredibly dumb. If they would just let the moderate Moussavi win over the hardliner Ahmadinejad, the whole world would jubilate (and praise the Messiah in the White House, because it was his Hopenchange which influenced Iran...). Tehran could build the bomb silently with even lesser opposition against it then they have now.
Obama is begging them for a sign of love, but all they give him is a slap in the face. It's pathetic.
And by the way: I miss Bush.
Hell, right now I miss Clinton.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:10:12pm |
re: #173 MandyManners
How about five years down the road? Two years? Ten years?
By than, good or bad, the Dems will have sewn up another entitlement. SS and Medicare have issues, but try and touch either one. IMHO, it's about time we join the other rich nations that have universal health care.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:10:18pm |
re: #151 Spare O'Lake
Even the Mullahs have figured out that Obama's positions change at the drop of a hat.
Nice of you to put the Mullah's on an ethically higher ground then the president in this regard.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:10:34pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:10:37pm |
Gonna' refresh. Log off. Log in. Refresh again. bbiab
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:11:06pm |
What's next? A right to Internest access?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:11:15pm |
re: #180 Killgore Trout
Stormfront: TEA Party Leader, GOP Condemn 'Racial Slurs' Hurled at Negro Politician
Tea Party!
Stormfront!
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:11:18pm |
re: #186 MandyManners
Maybe delete cookies, clear cache and so on?
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rurality Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:12:01pm |
re: #172 Walter L. Newton
can't relate to the other commiseration going on here, but as a dental warrior, locked in the struggle to hold on to teeth/dignity, just wanted to give you a 'high incisor'--very key teeth it turns out.
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:12:03pm |
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:12:23pm |
re: #160 bratwurst
I am so afraid of dental problems that your teeth are more on my mind than yours I guess. Hope all is well there in any case.
I was terrified of dental problems too, then I found a dentist who gives me really good drugs before he does any work at all. It's win-win. He gets to do his job, and I'm too stoned to care about the needles and drills he's sending my way.
It's worked out well for the last few years, and I don't see myself changing dentists anytime soon. ;)
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:12:24pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:13:33pm |
re: #150 Escaped Hillbilly
No, unfortunately, busting tape (being over the BMI) is rising in frequency. It has become such a problem that the rule requiring discharge for failing to meet standards had to be relaxed and now all discharges for this have to be approved by a General Officer, O-6 or higher. You can count on the fingers of one foot how often that happens. It is actually quite easy to gain weight while deployed. I just don't think taking away Pizza and Subway is gonna change that. And it will effect morale in a bad way. There is nowhere, literally nowhere to go in Iraq or Afghanistan on the little bit of time off you get. Stopping by the fast food joint is a way of getting away from the military grind and getting a reminder of home. Didn't Jarod lose weight on that stuff? I don't know why they are getting rid of it. Just know it is real unpopular at my level. So far I haven't seen it written down anywhere, we've just been told by our instructors that this is in the works. Have to wait and see I guess.
Maybe those height/weight charts (from the 1920's) need to be updated, just a tad?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:13:48pm |
re: #183 avanti
By than, good or bad, the Dems will have sewn up another entitlement. SS and Medicare have issues, but try and touch either one. IMHO, it's about time we join the other rich nations that have universal health care.
I would love to have totally government run health care. One hundred percent run. By, here is my conditions. No private doctors or care period. Anyone, everyone in the medical field now works for the government. I size fits all care, meaning, every citizen, every politician, every family in the country get the same level of care, uses the same facilities and receives the same treatments as everyone else.
I'm serious.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:13:59pm |
re: #189 gegenkritik
Maybe delete cookies, clear cache and so on?
Another idea is to run a registry cleanup if you have one. Those tend to help speed things up.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:14:07pm |
re: #184 Gus 802
Nice of you to put the Mullah's on an ethically higher ground then the president in this regard.
The low ground is evidently all yours.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:16:18pm |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I would love to have totally government run health care. One hundred percent run. By, here is my conditions. No private doctors or care period. Anyone, everyone in the medical field now works for the government. I size fits all care, meaning, every citizen, every politician, every family in the country get the same level of care, uses the same facilities and receives the same treatments as everyone else.
I'm serious.
How many people are going to go to medical school and run up a six-figure debt just to work for the government?
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:16:22pm |
re: #187 MandyManners
What's next? A right to Internest access?
Next ? ,we are going to get it, maybe not the super high speed access that they get in most countries, but no more dial up for rural areas. Now and in the future, lack of internet access is like lack of schools or libraries.
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:16:31pm |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I would love to have totally government run health care. One hundred percent run. By, here is my conditions. No private doctors or care period. Anyone, everyone in the medical field now works for the government. I size fits all care, meaning, every citizen, every politician, every family in the country get the same level of care, uses the same facilities and receives the same treatments as everyone else.
I'm serious.
Good luck with that legislation.
Hell, when the public option was on the table, you couldn't even get the Dems who supported it to agree to drop their Congress plan and get on the PO.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:16:32pm |
re: #124 MandyManners
I think I'm gonna' hurl.
Epithets? Hurl some for your banned butthurt friends while you're at it.
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:16:35pm |
This is from Alan Colmes' twitter feed: [Link: bit.ly...] This is serious bad crazy!
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:17:10pm |
re: #199 avanti
Next ? ,we are going to get it, maybe not the super high speed access that they get in most countries, but no more dial up for rural areas. Now and in the future, lack of internet access is like lack of schools or libraries.
Who is going to pay for that?
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:17:22pm |
re: #194 Alouette
Are your grandchildren growing taller than your kids? I have a Dr. friend who told me my daughter might grow to be 6'. Most of the kids in her class are quite tall.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:18:02pm |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I would love to have totally government run health care. One hundred percent run. By, here is my conditions. No private doctors or care period. Anyone, everyone in the medical field now works for the government. I size fits all care, meaning, every citizen, every politician, every family in the country get the same level of care, uses the same facilities and receives the same treatments as everyone else.
I'm serious.
I'm with you.
If there is one thing the government should do it is provide health care that is not for profit. If it is run correctly it would be great. The problem I see is the government just struggles with running anything efficiently. This is going to take a lot of baby steps for us to get right.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:18:22pm |
Wow. I think the GOP just realized they lost, and they are now committing to the current battle strategy, which is to portray this mild reform as antithetical to America as a concept, hit the red alert button, and go full wingnut.
Anyone listening to Ryan? "America is an idea!"
Ok, no surprise on the battle plan, because it's all the GOP has (sorry, Frum). But... what comes next? Does the GOP hang everything on the short game again, run on nothing but cutting taxes and repealing Obamacare and keeping up the demonization and doomsday speeches? What's the next thing they tell us they can actually do, and not just what they want to stop?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:18:45pm |
re: #198 NJDhockeyfan
How many people are going to go to medical school and run up a six-figure debt just to work for the government?
You work for the government. Your education is funded by the government. Problem solved.
re: #200 Soap_Man
Good luck with that legislation.
Hell, when the public option was on the table, you couldn't even get the Dems who supported it to agree to drop their Congress plan and get on the PO.
They need to work harder. That's the only way to make sure this is fair.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:18:56pm |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
Who is going to pay for that?
We are, just like we pay for schools, libraries and the rest with taxes.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:19:27pm |
re: #201 Cato the Elder
Epithets? Hurl some for your banned butthurt friends while you're at it.
That was not nice.
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:19:36pm |
re: #206 torrentprime
Ryan was definitely using the Christian America meme.
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gegenkritik Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:20:03pm |
re: #174 gegenkritik
And by the way: I miss Bush.
Oops, forgot all the Kos-kids hanging around here. Sorry for offending you. Of course, Bush was evil. Dumb. War-criminal.
I hope you'll have a good sleep now - I will. Good night.
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MandyManners Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:20:03pm |
Things are back to normal. But, now I gotta' go tend to The Kid.
School's out in six weeks!!!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:20:30pm |
re: #206 torrentprime
Wow. I think the GOP just realized they lost, and they are now committing to the current battle strategy, which is to portray this mild reform as antithetical to America as a concept, hit the red alert button, and go full wingnut.
Anyone listening to Ryan? "America is an idea!"
Ok, no surprise on the battle plan, because it's all the GOP has (sorry, Frum). But... what comes next? Does the GOP hang everything on the short game again, run on nothing but cutting taxes and repealing Obamacare and keeping up the demonization and doomsday speeches? What's the next thing they tell us they can actually do, and not just what they want to stop?
The GOP was obstructing it from the beginning. If there is anything wrong with this bill, it's because the GOP refused to participate. But that's about over now. Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:20:51pm |
re: #135 NJDhockeyfan
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei rejects new Obama offer of dialogue as a 'plot'
Paranoia is running high among the mullahs.
Kinda' (extraneous apostrophe courtesy of Mandy) like the GOP saying a discussion with the president was bound to be a ZOMG!!1! trap?
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:21:00pm |
re: #211 gegenkritik
Oops, forgot all the Kos-kids hanging around here. Sorry for offending you. Of course, Bush was evil. Dumb. War-criminal.
I hope you'll have a good sleep now - I will. Good night.
sheesh
wockwockawocka
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:21:15pm |
re: #205 Racer X
I'm with you.
If there is one thing the government should do it is provide health care that is not for profit. If it is run correctly it would be great. The problem I see is the government just struggles with running anything efficiently. This is going to take a lot of baby steps for us to get right.
Like I say. I'm all for it... if EVERYONE takes it the same way. No exceptions.
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Alexzander Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:21:17pm |
Just popped in - are people watching the house debate?
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:21:17pm |
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:22:28pm |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
Where is Walter and what have you done with him?/
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:22:31pm |
re: #211 gegenkritik
Oops, forgot all the Kos-kids hanging around here. Sorry for offending you. Of course, Bush was evil. Dumb. War-criminal.
I hope you'll have a good sleep now - I will. Good night.
Downding for being so fucking .... snotty.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:22:34pm |
re: #218 Alexzander
Just popped in - are people watching the house debate?
Nope. Watching Congress debate just annoys me. I watch TV to be entertained.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:22:55pm |
re: #214 Jadespring
From the House rules:
The Motion to Recommit
After the third reading of a bill (or resolution), but before the Speaker orders the vote on final passage of the bill (or resolution), a motion to recommit the bill, either with or without instructions, to the committee which originally reported it is in order. (Rule XVI and XVII) This motion is traditionally the right of the Minority and gives them one last chance to amend or kill the bill.
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:23:02pm |
re: #218 Alexzander
I'm listening/watching the live C-SPAN feed.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:23:12pm |
They turned it on! And it did not go BOOM!
In the early hours of this morning, the beam energy was ramped up to 3.5 TeV, a new world record and the highest energy for this year’s run. Now operators will prepare the machine to make high-energy collisions later this month.
At 5:23 this morning, Friday 19 March, the energy of both beams in the LHC was ramped up to 3.5 TeV, a new world record. During the night, operators had tested the performance of the whole machine with two so-called ‘dry runs’, that is, without beams.
Given the good overall response, beams were injected at around 3:00 a.m. and stabilized soon after. The ramp started at around 4:10 and lasted about one hour.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:23:33pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:23:35pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
You work for the government. Your education is funded by the government. Problem solved.
re: #208 avanti
We are, just like we pay for schools, libraries and the rest with taxes.
WOW...I didn't realize this country had a bottomless bank account. Spend, spend, spend....the new American way!
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Alexzander Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:23:48pm |
re: #225 Dark_Falcon
Nope. Watching Congress debate just annoys me. I watch TV to be entertained.
I'm TV-less so the house debate is about as entertaining as it gets. Sometimes its on par with its 'Onion' derivative.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:23:48pm |
re: #218 Alexzander
Just popped in - are people watching the house debate?
I have Cspan on as we speak. Not a debate though. All unicorns from one side, end of the world on the other.
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Girth Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:24:15pm |
re: #211 gegenkritik
Oops, forgot all the Kos-kids hanging around here. Sorry for offending you. Of course, Bush was evil. Dumb. War-criminal.
I hope you'll have a good sleep now - I will. Good night.
I love the martyr act you have going, like all the downdings are because of your positions on issues instead of the fact that most of your posts are rude and often offensive.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:24:21pm |
re: #226 jaunte
From the House rules:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
Ah okay. Guess this thing isn't over yet if they actually pull this out of the card deck.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:24:32pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
That's a big schtick of spam.
You don't agree with it?
That's a compilation of a number of comments and suggestions from different Lizards over the last two weeks. For a matter of fact, barely one sentence in that paragraph is of my own creation. I did edit a bit for readability and context, but other than that, it's pretty much the opinions of a lot of people here.
I think it's clever.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:24:44pm |
re: #179 MandyManners
Why would I have a general buried in my back yard?
"Legend of Wooly Swamp", Charlie Daniels...
Silly.
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:25:01pm |
re: #211 gegenkritik
By the way, I see your profile says "Pro-Israel + Pro-Bush = Bad Karma"
There are many people here who are pro-Israel and pro-Bush who have healthy karma. Your getting downdinged for being hostile and nasty, not for what you support.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:25:05pm |
re: #228 Racer X
They turned it on! And it did not go BOOM!
God will make it form a black hole because of passage of the health care bill./
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:25:11pm |
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:25:20pm |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
WOW...I didn't realize this country had a bottomless bank account. Spend, spend, spend...the new American way!
We are the largest debtor nation on the planet - by far. What's a few more trillion?
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:26:18pm |
re: #229 Thanos
Some research may be afoot. And with good reason.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:26:59pm |
re: #240 Racer X
We are the largest debtor nation on the planet - by far. What's a few more trillion?
A trillion here, a trillion there, it's only money.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:27:01pm |
HCR
"massive good for millions and millions of people"....
but if you object to the bill it's hyperbole
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:27:09pm |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
WOW...I didn't realize this country had a bottomless bank account. Spend, spend, spend...the new American way!
This is not real money we are dealing with, you understand that? It's more like play dough, can be molded and shaped and taken apart and put back together at the whim of the government. And it doesn't belong to you, it belongs to them.
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Alexzander Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:28:16pm |
To those following the house debate: does the current debate mean anything or is it all just formality and grandstanding at this point?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:28:29pm |
Under the current bill, will the insurance companies be allowed to charge higher premiums to those with pre-existing conditions?
If so, how much higher?
If not then will the extra costs be passed on to employers in the form of higher basic premiums?
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:28:42pm |
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:28:52pm |
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:29:08pm |
re: #244 Walter L. Newton
This is not real money we are dealing with, you understand that? It's more like play dough, can be molded and shaped and taken apart and put back together at the whim of the government. And it doesn't belong to you, it belongs to them.
I'm buying Park Place and Boardwalk!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:29:09pm |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
Ok, if it succeeds the Dems get full credit and if it fails to deliver it is all the Repubs to blame. Figured they'd play that game a little later. The Dems wrote it and approved it. It's theirs for good or bad.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:29:22pm |
re: #247 Obdicut
Obviously.
You bore me... prattle on... anything you want to say... I'm going to ignore you now.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:29:27pm |
re: #165 HoosierHoops
Hoops, were you gonna' call me? Now would be a good time.
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:29:56pm |
re: #250 Escaped Hillbilly
Ok, if it succeeds the Dems get full credit and if it fails to deliver it is all the Repubs to blame. Figured they'd play that game a little later. The Dems wrote it and approved it. It's theirs for good or bad.
It sure is.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:30:32pm |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
WOW...I didn't realize this country had a bottomless bank account. Spend, spend, spend...the new American way!
Now, just the liberal conservative battle. The left wants the government to do most everything, the conservatives wants it to do very little, and that's why we need both. If the conservatives and libs would work together, we'd get moderate bills, but now we swing wide right, toss them out and go wide left and repeat..
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:30:36pm |
re: #245 Alexzander
To those following the house debate: does the current debate mean anything or is it all just formality and grandstanding at this point?
Most debates are formality and grandstanding. Politics is actually done in the hallways and offices. This part is just the theatre part of it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:30:38pm |
re: #252 Cato the Elder
Hoops, were you gonna' call me? Now would be a good time.
Depends on what he was going to call you, no!?!?
/
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:30:44pm |
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
200,00 in DC today for immigration reform.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:31:35pm |
re: #249 albusteve
Steve, have you seen this girl play a guitar? Amazing stuff. And she's hot too!
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:32:05pm |
re: #245 Alexzander
To those following the house debate: does the current debate mean anything or is it all just formality and grandstanding at this point?
Not a thing, talking points back and forth.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:32:34pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:33:32pm |
re: #250 Escaped Hillbilly
Ok, if it succeeds the Dems get full credit and if it fails to deliver it is all the Repubs to blame. Figured they'd play that game a little later. The Dems wrote it and approved it. It's theirs for good or bad.
No... honestly... I have been hearing the GOP obstructed this and they obstructed that for month now, and then, if you read paragraph two and three, those are actually comment made in the last week. Yes, even when they are this close to getting what they have wanted since Teddy Roosevelt, they still had to offer some escape routes, a preemptive blaming of the GOP for down the road. I imagine that soon we will be seeing books on about future decades and how health care is bound to fail by 2035 because the GOP didn't support it in 2010.
Amazing rhetorical hoops.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:34:27pm |
re: #259 avanti
Not a thing, talking points back and forth.
There's talk of the Rs introducing some sort of motion to recommit based on screwing up the Stupak peeps or something. I'm not sure where that would happen if it happens.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:34:31pm |
re: #202 Irenicum
He's posting on twitter at this moment. Solly_Forell
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rurality Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:34:38pm |
re: #224 Soap_Man
upding for "snotty". What a perfect, awfully descriptive word. I've become so at ease with "fuck", "shit", etc. that they have lost their impact. Snotty--wow, that takes me back and it hasnt lost it's accuracy or impact from overuse.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:35:05pm |
re: #258 NJDhockeyfan
Steve, have you seen this girl play a guitar? Amazing stuff. And she's hot too!
[Video]
Thanos posted a real chick shredder the other night...listening now
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:35:07pm |
re: #245 Alexzander
To those following the house debate: does the current debate mean anything or is it all just formality and grandstanding at this point?
I'm not watching but basically to get health care passed they had to agree to change a few things, (taking out some patronage, making sure Hyde applies) but they have to do it through two separate vehicles. So all of the bluster you hear from the Republicans right now is that the Senate might not follow through with 51 votes on the second bill, which would mean the original senate bill is the law that goes into effect. So there's a certain amt of faith that Reid will get the votes needed for the cleanup amendment in senate. (just 51 needed, filibuster not possible)
That's a very basic version of what's going on, so pardon me if I've garbled the explanation here.
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Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:35:25pm |
What is the latest on 'Obamacare'?
Intrade has it at 95 x 97 now. Done deal?
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:35:50pm |
re: #257 webevintage
That's certainly more than the Tea Party can muster.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:35:56pm |
re: #246 Spare O'Lake
Under the current bill, will the insurance companies be allowed to charge higher premiums to those with pre-existing conditions?
If so, how much higher?
If not then will the extra costs be passed on to employers in the form of higher basic premiums?
Oh, I thought so./
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:35:58pm |
re: #261 Walter L. Newton
No... honestly... I have been hearing the GOP obstructed this and they obstructed that for month now, and then, if you read paragraph two and three, those are actually comment made in the last week. Yes, even when they are this close to getting what they have wanted since Teddy Roosevelt, they still had to offer some escape routes, a preemptive blaming of the GOP for down the road. I imagine that soon we will be seeing books on about future decades and how health care is bound to fail by 2035 because the GOP didn't support it in 2010.
Amazing rhetorical hoops.
I'd love to see the GOP run on repealing health care reform in the future. I think it would be painful once the voters find out it's not Armageddon.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:36:29pm |
re: #267 Bagua
What is the latest on 'Obamacare'?
Intrade has it at 95 x 97 now. Done deal?
Nana Pelosi wouldn't be scheduling a straight up/down vote for tonight if she didn't think she had the 216+ votes
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swamprat Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:00pm |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
The GOP was obstructing it from the beginning. If there is anything wrong with this bill, it's because the GOP refused to participate. But that's about over now. Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
This is disgusting. You totally left out "joined the rest of the western world".
And what about our good friend, "world standards" ?
Frankly, I'm disappointed.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:05pm |
re: #245 Alexzander
I'll take "grandstanding" for a thousand Alex.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:18pm |
re: #267 Bagua
What is the latest on 'Obamacare'?
Intrade has it at 95 x 97 now. Done deal?
Yep, just waiting for the fat lady to walk on stage.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:23pm |
re: #271 avanti
I'd love to see the GOP run on repealing health care reform in the future. I think it would be painful once the voters find out it's not Armageddon.
I hope they can't repeal anything. Looks like I'm going to need all the health handouts I can get.
P.S. You got my latest email, right?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:48pm |
re: #271 avanti
I'd love to see the GOP run on repealing health care reform in the future. I think it would be painful once the voters find out it's not Armageddon.
Once the voters have "found out" they've been paying for it for 2+ years and won;t see any benefits starting from it for another 2+ after that, could be a winner
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:48pm |
re: #263 Killgore Trout
He's posting on twitter at this moment. Solly_Forell
Lots n' lots of teh bad crazies there. Boycott monday, change your with holding etc. etc.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:37:49pm |
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:38:10pm |
re: #276 Walter L. Newton
I hope they can't repeal anything. Looks like I'm going to need all the health handouts I can get.
P.S. You got my latest email, right?
Yep, and of course I'll date you. :)
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:38:11pm |
Copy + Paste from email:
1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart every hour of every day.
2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!
3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.
4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.
5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private employer, and most speak English.
6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.
7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only 15 years.
8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.
9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.
10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.
11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At a Wal-Mart store. (Earth's
population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)
12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.
This should be read and understood by all Americans
Democrats, Republicans, EVERYONE!!
To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Congress.The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775.
You have had 234 years to get it right and it is BROKE.
Social Security was established in 1935.
You have had 74 years to get it right and it is BROKE.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938.
You have had 71 years to get it right and it is BROKE.
War on Poverty started in 1964.
You have had 45 years to get it right, yet after trillions of dollars there are now more poor than ever before.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965.
You have had 44 years to get it right and they are BROKE.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970.
You have had 39 years to get it right and it is BROKE.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977,to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal FAILURE.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:38:17pm |
re: #265 albusteve
Thanos posted a real chick shredder the other night...listening now
She one of the best female guitarists I've seen in a while. What took me so long to find her? I'm a fan already.
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Alexzander Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:38:30pm |
Thank you everyone who answered. It is definitely sad to think no actual meaningful debate happens in house. I'm currently in Canada and it seems a little better here. Maybe thats naive too.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:38:42pm |
re: #274 Escaped Hillbilly
I'll take "grandstanding" for a thousand Alex.
I'm sorry, it's 1,400 Alex now. Inflation, what can you do.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:38:57pm |
One Dem just said that bills like this are imperfect "the first time around". So, there will be more in this vein later.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:39:17pm |
re: #246 Spare O'Lake
You are not allowed to ask that. The answer would require actual facts. The correct phrasing is, "Wouldn't millions of people suffer needlessly if we didn't pass this bill and if so how many of them are unborn babies?"
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:39:30pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
What time is the vote?
In a hour or so, depending on how many nails the GOP tries to toss on the road.
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TedStriker Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:39:45pm |
re: #97 gegenkritik
Obama not only renews the European tradition of Appeasement (is there any thugocracy with which he was not fraternizing in the last months?), he is also almost as hostile to Israel as most Europeans are. And, most important: Like most Europeans, he has a strong love for Islam, which he has been promoting on several occasions.
Man, you're so full of shit, your eyeballs are brown. Contrary to the right-wing's fears, President Obama's not deviated much from many positions inherited from the Bush administration AFAIK, truth be told.
/getthef**kouttahere...
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:40:05pm |
re: #283 Alexzander
Thank you everyone who answered. It is definitely sad to think no actual meaningful debate happens in house. I'm currently in Canada and it seems a little better here. Maybe thats naive too.
Yeah it's the same here. Same pretty much anywhere. Actually it's the same with politics in general. The public part is just a small part, most of the actual 'work' goes on behind the scenes.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:40:08pm |
re: #287 Obdicut
Fortunately, that's not true.
Whats not true,,, that the taxes start (almost) immediatly and the entitelments don;t start till 2014?
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:40:46pm |
re: #283 Alexzander
Thank you everyone who answered. It is definitely sad to think no actual meaningful debate happens in house. I'm currently in Canada and it seems a little better here. Maybe thats naive too.
In fairness, they debated for a year, and the GOP never intended to let the POTUS get a bill.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:41:19pm |
re: #284 albusteve
she's very good, strange song tho
She's Serbian. Maybe it's a song from home.
Listen to her tear up the guitar on this one.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:41:27pm |
re: #282 NJDhockeyfan
She one of the best female guitarists I've seen in a while. What took me so long to find her? I'm a fan already.
I'd like to hear her cover a familiar classic...see how she does...talented tho, no question..but she's no Bonnie Raitt!
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:41:44pm |
So, a law question for anyone who may know the answer:
Some have said the mandate is unconstitutional. If SCOTUS agrees, would that strike down the whole bill or just that specific provision?
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:42:15pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:43:10pm |
re: #292 sattv4u2
Yes. There are lots of things that happen immediately when the bill becomes active.
[Link: crooksandliars.com...]
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:43:21pm |
I'm gonna post some jokes on Obama-Care from an email.
*this is just humor - if you get offended take some medicine for that.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:43:48pm |
The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree, and think 25-life would be appropriate.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:44:09pm |
America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask. -Leno
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Nervous Norvous Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:44:29pm |
re: #290 talon_262
Man, you're so full of shit, your eyeballs are brown.
/getthef**kouttahere...
hadn't heard that one before....adding it to my lexicon
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:44:34pm |
Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it. -O'Brien
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:45:02pm |
Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser. -Leno
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:45:23pm |
Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners. -Letterman
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:45:29pm |
re: #293 avanti
In fairness, they debated for a year, and the GOP never intended to let the POTUS get a bill.
it's a bad bill that's why....but the donks own it and any whining about GOP behavior is simply laughable....it's the dems themselves that have held it up....if it was good for America it would have passed months ago with bipartisan support...the thing is crap...scrap the crap!...clean up the industry and regulate it properly, get some competition over state lines, find a way to not gut medicare...this bill is a nightmare
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:45:54pm |
Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America! -Fallon
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:00pm |
re: #304 Racer X
Man, Leno is using Clinton-vintage jokes. I remember that one from back then.
He should feel very bad about what he did to Coco, very bad indeed.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:11pm |
re: #296 Soap_Man
So, a law question for anyone who may know the answer:
Some have said the mandate is unconstitutional. If SCOTUS agrees, would that strike down the whole bill or just that specific provision?
Some are just having wet dreams, the SCOTUS won't get involved in the workings of the house unless it was a grievous issue.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:13pm |
Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers. -Kimmel
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:16pm |
re: #282 NJDhockeyfan
She one of the best female guitarists I've seen in a while. What took me so long to find her? I'm a fan already.
If it's Slavic six-strings we're into tonight, click around here: [Link: blues.ru...]
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:20pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:36pm |
re: #298 Obdicut
Yes. There are lots of things that happen immediately when the bill becomes active.
[Link: crooksandliars.com...]
heh,,, wanna wager #1 will be challenged in court immediatly? Mandating that a private company must cover the adult child of an existing policy holder
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:49pm |
Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road. -Letterman
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:46:52pm |
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Soap_Man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:47:03pm |
re: #309 Obdicut
Man, Leno is using Clinton-vintage jokes. I remember that one from back then.
He should feel very bad about what he did to Coco, very bad indeed.
A thousand updings. I can't stand Leno. He's probably still telling Judge Ito jokes.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:47:09pm |
re: #303 Racer X
Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it. -O'Brien
That's a lot like the Starrybucks "play it forward" con to get the person in front of you to buy your drink. WTF for? I'd have ordered MORE if I knew YOU were paying for it.
But, that's just me!
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:47:33pm |
re: #314 sattv4u2
Just sidle right past the fact that you said something incorrect, and immediately try to attack the bill from a different angle.
Oh good, you already did that.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:47:36pm |
re: #303 Racer X
Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it. -O'Brien
Fair and Balanced:
Q. How can you tell the Olympics are in town?
A. When the McDonald's menu reads "Happy Meal: Market Price", the Olympics are in town.
/made the rounds in Atlanta, 1996
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:47:49pm |
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:01pm |
Hey Racer X, wanna show clips of these jokes? ya know, trust but verify.
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swamprat Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:05pm |
"The revolution will not be televised".
He was so wrong.
It will be. It is.
And it is excruciatingly BORING!
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Nervous Norvous Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:06pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:09pm |
"Hey, the health care bill was introduced yesterday. It's 1,990 pages long and costs $894 billion dollars. Or $2.2 million per word. That makes them the most expensive words to come out of Washington since 'Mission Accomplished.'" --Jimmy Fallon
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:39pm |
This week on ABC Family they've been playing the "Harry Potter" movies.
They are quite excellent.
Stunning, actually.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:40pm |
re: #323 Irenicum
Hey Racer X, wanna show clips of these jokes? ya know, trust but verify.
Ha!
I did not fact check.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:48:44pm |
re: #324 swamprat
"The revolution will not be televised".
He was so wrong.
It will be. It is.
And it is excruciatingly BORING!
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:49:17pm |
"It does seem to me a tad ironic that Sarah Palin is so against killing old people considering that she's the one who smothered the life out of the McCain campaign." --Bill Maher
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:49:35pm |
re: #324 swamprat
"The revolution will not be televised".
He was so wrong.
It will be. It is.
And it is excruciatingly BORING!
Ha!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:49:37pm |
re: #285 jaunte
That's ok, Walter says we're using Monopoly money.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:49:38pm |
re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This week on ABC Family they've been playing the "Harry Potter" movies.
They are quite excellent.
Stunning, actually.
Yuck... the step-critters have been blasting that for 3-4 hours now. Satan inspired claptrap, their souls are going to be dammed to hell now.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:49:38pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:01pm |
re: #320 Obdicut
Just sidle right past the fact that you said something incorrect, and immediately try to attack the bill from a different angle.
Oh good, you already did that.
Then I'll rephrase
Lets see how many of those "goodies" make it to the final version
AFTER 'we have passed the bill to see whats in it"
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:04pm |
re: #316 Racer X
Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road. -Letterman
Q: What's the best way to get Letterman to ignore you?
A: Marry him.
- Leno
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:10pm |
re: #330 Gus 802
"It does seem to me a tad ironic that Sarah Palin is so against killing old people considering that she's the one who smothered the life out of the McCain campaign." --Bill Maher
Good one!
Hope all is well with you?
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jaunte Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:21pm |
re: #332 Escaped Hillbilly
Dang, I bought a stash of gold Alexes from the Teevee.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:28pm |
Oh durn it. Watching C-spam really sucked up my monthly mb limit. I didn't realize it would take up so much. *sigh*
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:47pm |
re: #330 Gus 802
"It does seem to me a tad ironic that Sarah Palin is so against killing old people considering that she's the one who smothered the life out of the McCain campaign." --Bill Maher
LOL!
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:50:55pm |
re: #335 sattv4u2
Yes, I figured you would rephrase. That's why I said what I did.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:51:05pm |
a thousand dings!
a million dings!
a thousand billion gazillion dings!
wow
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:51:12pm |
re: #337 Floral Giraffe
Good one!
Hope all is well with you?
Hey FG. Doing OK. Neck feels a little better today. More work coming in.
Yourself?
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:51:39pm |
re: #342 albusteve
a thousand dings!
a million dings!
a thousand billion gazillion dings!
wow
I'd give you a trillion updings for that if I could.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:51:47pm |
re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This week on ABC Family they've been playing the "Harry Potter" movies.
They are quite excellent.
Stunning, actually.
My daughter has seen them all probably 50 times already. She can't get enough.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:51:49pm |
re: #341 Obdicut
Yes, I figured you would rephrase. That's why I said what I did.
So you do admit that many if not all of those "immediate" goodies won't be in the final product?
Good ,, glad we could agree!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:51:49pm |
re: #336 The Sanity Inspector
Q: What's the best way to get Letterman to ignore you?
A: Marry him.
- Leno
Oh, SNAP!
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:52:19pm |
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:52:29pm |
For those truly interested here are two somewhat objective analysis articles from this am's spinoff links. The first looks at who's paying, and the second at the potential constitutional challenges
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:52:34pm |
re: #324 swamprat
"The revolution will not be televised".
He was so wrong.
It will be. It is.
And it is excruciatingly BORING!
Last one awake gets to spend all the tax money.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:07pm |
re: #339 Jadespring
Oh durn it. Watching C-spam really sucked up my monthly mb limit. I didn't realize it would take up so much. *sigh*
What kind of service do you have?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:15pm |
re: #348 prairiefire
Did you get much snow? Get ready, Tues. night/Wed. is setting up to be another big spring dumper.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:27pm |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
Yuck... the step-critters have been blasting that for 3-4 hours now. Satan inspired claptrap, their souls are going to be dammed to hell now.
Well, hell then. What a way to go.
They've held the cast together very nicely. The only one that left (excepting plot devices) was Richard Harris.
Death completely interfered with his contract.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:30pm |
re: #21 Spare O'Lake
These brave young men and women should be provided with the very best, most varied and tastiest food that money can buy.
Yes, and not just the tastiest either but also 100% organic meats, vegetables and dairy products. The *very* best. No exceptions.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:45pm |
re: #346 sattv4u2
So you do admit that many if not all of those "immediate" goodies won't be in the final product?
Good ,, glad we could agree!
There are actually many things in this current bill that take effect immediately. It is a total liberal wet dream of stuff. Full of pork projects. Health care is just the hook.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:46pm |
re: #346 sattv4u2
Yeah, you got me. You're a very cunning debater. I'm sure the Democrats are going to throw out anything immediate that would give them an advantage in re-election and just impose new taxes. You discovered their tricky plan.
/
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:53:53pm |
re: #341 Obdicut
Yes, I figured you would rephrase. That's why I said what I did.
your absolute faith in govt, BO, the CBO etc is entertaining indeed....been awhile since we've had such blind, drooling trust in the system around here...it has an almost spiritual quality to it I'm intrigued with
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:07pm |
re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This week on ABC Family they've been playing the "Harry Potter" movies.
They are quite excellent.
Stunning, actually.
Sadly, they just had a massive fire on the set of the latest film. Large parts of the Hogwarts set were destroyed:
[Link: blogs.coventrytelegraph.net...]
I hope it doesn't set them back too much. I really enjoyed the last book and am looking forward to seeing the final battles on screen.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:11pm |
re: #353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, hell then. What a way to go.
They've held the cast together very nicely. The only one that left (excepting plot devices) was Richard Harris.
Death completely interfered with his contract.
No excuse... lazy candied-ass dead actors.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:13pm |
re: #352 Walter L. Newton
Did you get much snow? Get ready, Tues. night/Wed. is setting up to be another big spring dumper.
Hopefully this one does make it east to Chicago.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:25pm |
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:32pm |
re: #308 Racer X
Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America! -Fallon
Another one that is older than the hills! Glad I am not missing anything by avoiding late night network comedy.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:34pm |
re: #348 prairiefire
Bonnie! Ya have to turn it up.
[Video]
I saw her a few years ago in Charlottesville. Fucking awesome!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:54:58pm |
re: #348 prairiefire
Takes a Bonnie Raitt to know how to own a John Prine song.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:55:25pm |
re: #351 The Sanity Inspector
What kind of service do you have?
I just got a cellular portable turbo net stick thinga-ma-gig. Otherwise the only choice I have is dial-up or some sort of satellite hook-up.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:56:07pm |
re: #343 Gus 802
Rocking along, singing a song.
All is good!
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:56:09pm |
re: #349 Thanos
Dude, Barnett is not an objective person. He's a senior Cato fellow. He's an originalist. He is not anywhere near the middle of constitutional theory.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:56:38pm |
re: #355 Racer X
There are actually many things in this current bill that take effect immediately. It is a total liberal wet dream of stuff. Full of pork projects. Health care is just the hook.
how about the college funding thing?...did that stay in there?...how'd Ben Nelson make out this time?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:56:39pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:56:42pm |
re: #356 Obdicut
Yeah, you got me. You're a very cunning debater. I'm sure the Democrats are going to throw out anything immediate that would give them an advantage in re-election and just impose new taxes. You discovered their tricky plan.
/
Theres a word they use for that
What is it ,, I have it on the tip of my tongue
Oh yeah,, POLITICS ,,, PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:56:48pm |
re: #344 Racer X
I'd give you a trillion updings for that if I could.
How many houses and hotels can you buy for a trillion updings?
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swamprat Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:57:15pm |
Y'all go on about your business. I'm just going to sit back and gloat about the $20 dollar generator I just got running. Antique briggs 3 horse power/1200 watts. (Used a coil and flywheel from an old lawnmower. The guy who sold it to me said the engine was bad)
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:57:24pm |
re: #369 albusteve
how about the college funding thing?...did that stay in there?...how'd Ben Nelson make out this time?
Quite a bit is funding for education.
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:57:39pm |
People, vote already.
I have to go get the kid from work.
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:57:55pm |
re: #328 Racer X
I appreciate the honesty. Something didn't seem "right" in some of those jokes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:09pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:12pm |
re: #371 sattv4u2
My point is that they would not throw out the things that are immediately beneficial. If you want to by cynical, assume they'll fully support the immediate stuff and beggar the long-term stuff.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:15pm |
re: #369 albusteve
how about the college funding thing?...did that stay in there?...how'd Ben Nelson make out this time?
Yes, the college funding thing is in.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:18pm |
re: #375 webevintage
People, vote already.
I have to go get the kid from work.
I was just going to say. It's 10 PM in DC right now and they're still talking.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:19pm |
re: #373 swamprat
Y'all go on about your business. I'm just going to sit back and gloat about the $20 dollar generator I just got running. Antique briggs 3 horse power/1200 watts. (Used a coil and flywheel from an old lawnmower. The guy who sold it to me said the engine was bad)
How many $20 bills an hour can you generate?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:24pm |
re: #372 Escaped Hillbilly
How many houses and hotels can you buy for a trillion updings?
You can get a toaster, or a blender with $40.
That's about it.
Sorry, but we have to maintain the budget.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:25pm |
re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Takes a Bonnie Raitt to know how to own a John Prine song.
Raitt is a national treasure...she studies, she understands where it came from, how it works, and is now a part of it...and a supreme guitar player
| 384 |
Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:39pm |
re: #368 Obdicut
Dude, Barnett is not an objective person. He's a senior Cato fellow. He's an originalist. He is not anywhere near the middle of constitutional theory.
Instead of this, can you point out where he is factually incorrect or substantively wrong in the article?
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:47pm |
re: #369 albusteve
My mama was making lots of phone calls for her side of the College funding issue.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:50pm |
re: #375 webevintage
People, vote already.
I have to go get the kid from work.
They may be waiting till after the big eastern papers have to go to press for the early a.m. editions
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:58:59pm |
re: #366 prairiefire
No, no, no, no...
Yes, yes, yes... we have some local armchair weather people on a local forum up here, and they are usually better than the talking heads on TV...
Models struggling with a consistent solution for our next storm. General pattern is to bring an upper trough over NW Colorado on Tue and bring the trough across CO on Tue night and Wed. The nuances in how this occurs will dictate how big this storm will be. The trend has been to move the trough slowly and intensify across SE Colorado on Wed. All models have decent upslope from Tue afternoon into Wed morning.
Snow amounts at this time could be healthy, but the diffedence in the forecast right now is not real high. If I had to guess now, looks like 6-12 inches possible. Snow could start above 7000 ft by noon on Tue, and become heavy by late Tue afternoon and evening, continuing Tue night and diminishing Wed morning. Heaviest snow looks to be Tue afternoon and evening, potentially making the Tue evening commute difficult. Snow level will drop down to Plains level by Tue evening as well, but with warm pavement accummulation on the Plains will be minimal. Stay tuned for updates on this system, as it could become more powerful.
Next system after this on track for Fri night/Sat. This one also bears watching, as recent model runs have this becoming fairly intense.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 6:59:54pm |
re: #386 sattv4u2
They may be waiting till after the big eastern papers have to go to press for the early a.m. editions
They just have to follow the rules for minimum debate time.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:00:18pm |
re: #378 Obdicut
My point is that they would not throw out the things that are immediately beneficial. If you want to by cynical, assume they'll fully support the immediate stuff and beggar the long-term stuff.
And MY point is (and was) you telling me that there are things that will be "immediate" when in fact the final bill won't emerge for several more weeks.
After tonights vote, we STILL won;t know whats "in" it
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:00:19pm |
re: #356 Obdicut
Yeah, you got me. You're a very cunning debater. I'm sure the Democrats are going to throw out anything immediate that would give them an advantage in re-election and just impose new taxes. You discovered their tricky plan.
/
They've fumbled on first down in the past, you know.
| 391 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:00:47pm |
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:01:15pm |
re: #386 sattv4u2
They may be waiting till after the big eastern papers have to go to press for the early a.m. editions
It is almost time, but Boehner and Pelosi are next and I think they have a large amount of time.
I'm sure they will both use it all.
| 393 |
Girth Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:01:17pm |
The new Discovery Channel series Life ran it's first two episodes tonight. Highly recommended.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:01:18pm |
re: #376 Irenicum
I appreciate the honesty. Something didn't seem "right" in some of those jokes.
Heh. They all seemed "Right".
Leaning.
| 395 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:01:20pm |
re: #363 NJDhockeyfan
I saw her a few years ago in Charlottesville. Fucking awesome!
I saw her again last Sept with Taj Mahal...heh
| 396 |
jaunte Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:01:21pm |
re: #384 Thanos
Instead of this, can you point out where he is factually incorrect or substantively wrong in the article?
This part was an interesting take on the expansion of the commerce clause:
But the individual mandate extends the commerce clause's power beyond economic activity, to economic inactivity. That is unprecedented. While Congress has used its taxing power to fund Social Security and Medicare, never before has it used its commerce power to mandate that an individual person engage in an economic transaction with a private company. Regulating the auto industry or paying "cash for clunkers" is one thing; making everyone buy a Chevy is quite another. Even during World War II, the federal government did not mandate that individual citizens purchase war bonds.If you choose to drive a car, then maybe you can be made to buy insurance against the possibility of inflicting harm on others. But making you buy insurance merely because you are alive is a claim of power from which many Americans instinctively shrink. Senate Republicans made this objection, and it was defeated on a party-line vote, but it will return. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
| 397 |
NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:02:09pm |
re: #393 Girth
The new Discovery Channel series Life ran it's first two episodes tonight. Highly recommended.
DVR'd
| 398 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:02:26pm |
re: #372 Escaped Hillbilly
How many houses and hotels can you buy for a trillion updings?
one nights rent if you land on Boardwalk
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:02:46pm |
re: #388 avanti
They just have to follow the rules for minimum debate time.
Yes ,, I know ,, and iirc, early editions go to press at about 11:00 P.M. (pick up a paper in any major east coast city and any game that ends after 11:00 p.m. is not included in the box scores)
| 400 |
prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:03:07pm |
Bonnie singing "Angel" with Sarah McLachlan:
| 401 |
Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:03:16pm |
re: #396 jaunte
Yes, and it's a valid point, and I think if the Dems successfully maneuver the procedural minefield through to getting the Senate clean up bill passed, then it will be the only one left standing.
| 403 |
Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:01pm |
re: #384 Thanos
No. I'm objecting to you saying that it's an objective analysis. He is not objective; he has a very firm agenda and angle that he interprets the constitution from that is outside of the mainstream.
It may be a perfectly good analysis: I'm objecting to you labeling it as at all objective. I doubt Barnnett even considers himself objective.
I doubt, for example, that deem and pass is unconstitutional, given the frequency of its use-- except from an originalist point of view.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:11pm |
re: #389 sattv4u2
And MY point is (and was) you telling me that there are things that will be "immediate" when in fact the final bill won't emerge for several more weeks.
After tonights vote, we STILL won;t know whats "in" it
The reconciliation bill has been online for 3 days, the senate bill for weeks.
| 406 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:24pm |
I sang for a dear fifty three year old lady tonight who is on her deathbed with Pancreatic Cancer. It was one of the more joyous things I have ever been involved in.
You can't depress me, Congress. Go ahead and vote.
I'm feeling extra good tonight.
Tomorrow? Not so much; but you won't hurt me tonight.
| 407 |
Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:28pm |
re: #368 Obdicut
Dude, Barnett is not an objective person. He's a senior Cato fellow. He's an originalist. He is not anywhere near the middle of constitutional theory.
He may be a senior Cato fellow, but I a Cato Senior. And I renounce and denounce the Cato Institute in its current form. Why, they haven't paid royalties for the use of my name for the last decade!
Just to repeat (because the last RFP didn't get enough play):
Attention keyboard philosophers!
You can join the new, improved, Cato the Elder† think-tank.
I sit here and think all day long. It's fatiguing. I need assistants.
RFP:
Looking for bright, no-longer-young, disillusioned, snarky, unpredictable thinkers with time on their hands and minimal salary expectations.
Non-negotiable requirement: literacy.
No benefits except for Navy-style tickle fights.
Please send résumé, including seven recent LGF writing samples with updings of 17+, to Cato the Elder Institute, 1 Delenda Way, Carthage, OH, 39847. Include SASE and initiation fee of €10,000.
†Note: Cato the Elder Institute is a for-profit but equal-opportunity employer. However, applicants with experience in sarcasm, satire and/or actual physical flesh-tearing will be given preference. Experience dealing with (and generating) butthurt mandydory.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:30pm |
re: #392 webevintage
It is almost time, but Boehner and Pelosi are next and I think they have a large amount of time.
I'm sure they will both use it all.
Which I don't get
I can see and undertand the repubs using every last second allowed, but if Pelosi and the dems really do have the 216 needed (and I assume they do) then why are they being long winded!?!
| 409 |
webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:34pm |
Boehner looks very sad...Today America will be destroyed....
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:40pm |
re: #385 prairiefire
My mama was making lots of phone calls for her side of the College funding issue.
I don't mind the banking part so much...I just don't like it attached to the HCR bill...it's propaganda more than anything else....otherwise why is it in there?...it's a bad habit congress has
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:04:56pm |
re: #399 sattv4u2
Yes ,, I know ,, and iirc, early editions go to press at about 11:00 P.M. (pick up a paper in any major east coast city and any game that ends after 11:00 p.m. is not included in the box scores)
They are wrapping up the debate as I type.
| 413 |
webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:05:03pm |
My mistake.
1 min to orange man, 1 min for nancy....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:05:14pm |
re: #357 albusteve
your absolute faith in govt, BO, the CBO etc is entertaining indeed...been awhile since we've had such blind, drooling trust in the system around here...it has an almost spiritual quality to it I'm intrigued with
So basically, wanting some modest improvement in our broken health care system = blind drooling trust. Got it!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:06:06pm |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sang for a dear fifty three year old lady tonight who is on her deathbed with Pancreatic Cancer. It was one of the more joyous things I have ever been involved in.
You can't depress me, Congress. Go ahead and vote.
I'm feeling extra good tonight.
Tomorrow? Not so much; but you won't hurt me tonight.
I send you a nice present in the mail this week... that will cheer you up... our secret... ok?
| 416 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:06:12pm |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sang for a dear fifty three year old lady tonight who is on her deathbed with Pancreatic Cancer. It was one of the more joyous things I have ever been involved in.
You can't depress me, Congress. Go ahead and vote.
I'm feeling extra good tonight.
Tomorrow? Not so much; but you won't hurt me tonight.
You are not a bastard at all.
You are a good man.
| 417 |
prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:06:15pm |
re: #401 Thanos
Nancy brought it a hell a lot further along then all the conservative criticism said about her, I think last Summer.
Now she's gonna bring it home.
Leslie Snope will have a huge framed photo of her on the next "Parks and Rec."
| 419 |
uninformed opinion Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:06:59pm |
I liked Boehner better when he was burnt orange.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:07:14pm |
re: #408 sattv4u2
Which I don't get
I can see and undertand the repubs using every last second allowed, but if Pelosi and the dems really do have the 216 needed (and I assume they do) then why are they being long winded!?!
One example: As part of his deal with the WH, he got a few specific call-and-response exchanges with Dingell(?) on the abortion issue. Getting a few words on the record for a vote like this can be used in election ads, etc. This is the official Moment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:07:15pm |
re: #409 webevintage
Boehner looks very sad...Today America will be destroyed...
It is a shame that he does not think that all that is America can not stand up to a single session of Congress and one President.
America is better than that, Mr. Boehner. We'll make it.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:07:25pm |
re: #403 Obdicut
No. I'm objecting to you saying that it's an objective analysis. He is not objective; he has a very firm agenda and angle that he interprets the constitution from that is outside of the mainstream.
It may be a perfectly good analysis: I'm objecting to you labeling it as at all objective. I doubt Barnnett even considers himself objective.
I doubt, for example, that deem and pass is unconstitutional, given the frequency of its use-- except from an originalist point of view.
It's objective if he analyzes the facts and doesn't interject his opionion. You can see that the Dem leadership actually agreed with him on some of this article or you would not have seen "Deem and Pass" go away, nor would you have seen a second bill for clean up.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:07:47pm |
re: #420 torrentprime
One example: As part of his deal with the WH, Stupak got a few specific call-and-response exchanges with Dingell(?) on the abortion issue. Getting a few words on the record for a vote like this can be used in election ads, etc. This is the official Moment.
PIMF
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:08:06pm |
re: #414 WindUpBird
So basically, wanting some modest improvement in our broken health care system = blind drooling trust. Got it!
no, you don't....the drooling trust is applicable tho
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:08:09pm |
re: #308 Racer X
Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America! -Fallon
It's funny because its the death of the president!
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:08:39pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:08:50pm |
re: #425 albusteve
no, you don't...the drooling trust is applicable tho
I don't want to live in a confederacy. :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:09:52pm |
re: #423 Thanos
It's objective if he analyzes the facts and doesn't interject his opionion. You can see that the Dem leadership actually agreed with him on some of this article or you would not have seen "Deem and Pass" go away, nor would you have seen a second bill for clean up.
Deem and Pass didn't show up because they had the votes without it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:09:55pm |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, shucks guys. I didn't know how to tell that story without the dingage. For once it wasn't for the dings.
It was surreal. Terrible and beautiful at the same time.
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Irenicum Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:10:32pm |
Ah, we're back to the people's house! Spoken by none other than the corporations best friend!
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:11:14pm |
Obdicut: you are missing the big picture. The dems could not get the votes they needed unless they cleaned this up. They couldn't make the changes they needed through Deem and Pass. It's not that they couldn't have deemed the Senate bill passed, it's that they needed to make changes in order to get it passed. You know that too.
Facts are facts, sometimes we don't like where they come from but we still accept correct analysis. (e.g. the "Hannity isn't ripping off his charity" came from sources you don't like...) please point out something substantively wrong with the analysis.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:11:14pm |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:11:39pm |
re: #397 NJDhockeyfan
DVR'd
Will download later on torrent, I channel surfed to it a couple of times and it looks like it will be worth burning to disc for future freetime enjoyment.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:11:53pm |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sang for a dear fifty three year old lady tonight who is on her deathbed with Pancreatic Cancer. It was one of the more joyous things I have ever been involved in.
You can't depress me, Congress. Go ahead and vote.
I'm feeling extra good tonight.
Tomorrow? Not so much; but you won't hurt me tonight.
Bless you!
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:11:58pm |
re: #430 uninformed opinion
Real men do roll call votes...
It'll be no secret as to who voted which way, it'll just keep us up longer.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:11:58pm |
re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, shucks guys. I didn't know how to tell that story without the dingage. For once it wasn't for the dings.
It was surreal. Terrible and beautiful at the same time.
All right everybody... back to 406...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:12:01pm |
Crazy Orange man talking crazy and being orange on C-Span.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:12:02pm |
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:12:16pm |
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webevintage Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:12:31pm |
Be afraid, be very afraid....
OK, I guess I was wrong about the 1 min.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:12:40pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:12pm |
re: #447 webevintage
Be afraid, be very afraid...
OK, I guess I was wrong about the 1 min.
Pelosi goes next.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:26pm |
re: #211 gegenkritik
Oops, forgot all the Kos-kids hanging around here. Sorry for offending you. Of course, Bush was evil. Dumb. War-criminal.
I hope you'll have a good sleep now - I will. Good night.
I love this guy
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:30pm |
re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist
Ah. And did you think that was funny? Because I didn't.
Naw, not funny.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:32pm |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:38pm |
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:50pm |
The minority leader is saying we are disgracing the founding fathers with this vote. No, you are just losing a vote.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:53pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:55pm |
re: #423 Thanos
He definitely does interject his opinion, especially in the way he examines the Slaughterhouse rule-- he doesn't mention, for example, that Public Citizen v. United States District Court for the District of Columbia would indicate the bill wasn't even challengeable.
This is Volokh on it, who himself is rather partisan:
[Link: volokh.com...]
This part about general welfare's limitations by common good is farcical; like the US doesn't already provide benefits to individual states with every spending bill.
Finally, speculation about an amendment banning the US government from regulating insurance? Seriously? That is the most extreme version of defeating this bill I've heard yet, and i've heard it first from him.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:13:58pm |
You can stop begging, John. It's over. This bill will be passed. Deal with it.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:14:04pm |
re: #418 Irenicum
Boner has the strangest skin color I've ever seen.
Kind of like George Hamilton, no?
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:14:26pm |
"Remember the dignity of the house". To hell with that, I want to see a brawl, like they have in the House of Commons across the pond!
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:14:52pm |
re: #457 SanFranciscoZionist
Fair enough. I was spitting tacks over that thing.
The joke or the movie?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:15:11pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:16:10pm |
Johnny Cash was mentioned earlier. Here's some old school Cash...
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uninformed opinion Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:16:34pm |
re: #442 avanti
It'll be no secret as to who voted which way, it'll just keep us up longer.
I just pictured him in my head saying it.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:16:37pm |
Obdicut: I said the article was "somewhat objective" you said pish because the author has done stuff for Cato, but you still haven't supplied anything from the article that's not factually correct. Again, an article can be objective even if an author is incorrect some of the time.
I sometimes read DU even though I know they are mostly loons to get info on what the crazy right is doing - doesn't mean I trust them on all things. It's the "broken clock" rule. This is not an opinion piece, it's news analysis, and Wapo, not Fox style News Analysis.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:16:52pm |
I'm the taxman
yeah, the taxman
millions and millions will benefit!
(some weak sauce there)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:16:57pm |
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:17:00pm |
Like Nancy Pelosi has any thought for the common person. This bill doesn't provide health care for all americans.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:17:08pm |
re: #461 pingjockey
"Remember the dignity of the house". To hell with that, I want to see a brawl, like they have in the House of Commons across the pond!
We used to have them here, too. Sometimes involving walking-sticks, sword-canes, and even, if I remember aright, the occasional pistol.
Hey-ho, halcyon days!
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:17:28pm |
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I mentioned that last night. Good on Pelosi.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:17:33pm |
re: #465 NJDhockeyfan
I read that he came up the trumpet players idea at the last minute before recording.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:17:43pm |
Schadenfreude alert, but I can only imagine some deeply angry wingnut responses to the applause Pelosi got as she walked in.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:17:52pm |
re: #458 Obdicut
He definitely does interject his opinion, especially in the way he examines the Slaughterhouse rule-- he doesn't mention, for example, that Public Citizen v. United States District Court for the District of Columbia would indicate the bill wasn't even challengeable.
This is Volokh on it, who himself is rather partisan:
[Link: volokh.com...]This part about general welfare's limitations by common good is farcical; like the US doesn't already provide benefits to individual states with every spending bill.
Finally, speculation about an amendment banning the US government from regulating insurance? Seriously? That is the most extreme version of defeating this bill I've heard yet, and i've heard it first from him.
Can we coin Health Care Reform Derangement Syndrome yet?
I suspect a lot of this wackytalk will die down, right now everything is at a fever pitch. In a few months I think people will lose their taste for predicting the REPUBLIC IS ENDING OH GOD MORDOR because of health care reform.
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:23pm |
re: #471 Cato the Elder
Correct, IIRC some one got the hell beat out of them with a cane, pre-civil war.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:29pm |
re: #470 pingjockey
Like Nancy Pelosi has any thought for the common person. This bill doesn't provide health care for all americans.
The bill wouldn't be passing if it did.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:29pm |
re: #468 albusteve
I'm the taxman
yeah, the taxmanmillions and millions will benefit!
(some weak sauce there)
If you were orange you could get a high paying job in DC. Insurance included.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:32pm |
re: #476 WindUpBird
I think people will lose their taste for predicting the REPUBLIC IS ENDING OH GOD MORDOR because of health care reform.
Upding for Mordor reference.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:37pm |
re: #458 Obdicut
Ok you got me, ZOMFG! He left something out!....
Show me where he's factually wrong.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:37pm |
re: #464 WindUpBird
Yeah, it's shitty all around.
Joking about how presidents and house speakers should die. It's bad comedy. It's weak sauce by weak people for weak people.
I've been hearing death jokes about presidents since I can remember, going way back to Nixon and every president thereafter. I'm kinda numb to them by now. They are in bad taste but I'm not going to jump up and down about it.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:43pm |
re: #467 Thanos
CATO takes unsubstantiated hits here.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:45pm |
re: #470 pingjockey
Like Nancy Pelosi has any thought for the common person. This bill doesn't provide health care for all americans.
The GOP plan covered 3 million, this one is 32 million, that's a improvement IMHO.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:18:57pm |
re: #467 Thanos
Thanos, when someone only writes about how the bill could be attacked as unconstitutional and mentions nothing about weaknesses in those attacks, and then ends with:
If this sounds far-fetched, consider another recent case in which the smart money doubted there were five votes to intervene in a politicized controversy involving technical procedures. A case in which five justices may have perceived that long-established rules were being gamed for purely partisan advantage.
You might have heard of it: Bush v. Gore.
It is nothing near an objective analysis. It is not a real analysis of the ways the bill could be attacked, because a real analysis would mention the incredible weaknesses of many of those attacks, and wouldn't delve into the fantasy of a federal amendment preventing the government from regulating health insurance.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:19:03pm |
re: #475 torrentprime
Schadenfreude alert, but I can only imagine some deeply angry wingnut responses to the applause Pelosi got as she walked in.
I despise Nancy Pelosi.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:19:07pm |
re: #476 WindUpBird
Can we coin Health Care Reform Derangement Syndrome yet?
I suspect a lot of this wackytalk will die down, right now everything is at a fever pitch. In a few months I think people will lose their taste for predicting the REPUBLIC IS ENDING OH GOD MORDOR because of health care reform.
I hate uninsured people...count me in with the hyperbole
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laZardo Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:19:19pm |
re: #476 WindUpBird
One does not simply "read" the Health Care bill.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:19:47pm |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
If you were orange you could get a high paying job in DC. Insurance included.
sadly, I'm a lemon
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:19:52pm |
re: #488 laZardo
One does not simply "read" the Health Care bill.
One does not simply 'walk in' to Mordor.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:01pm |
If I were a commie, I would take Nancy's pearls.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:01pm |
re: #470 pingjockey
Like Nancy Pelosi has any thought for the common person. This bill doesn't provide health care for all americans.
it's called compromise. Sometimes compromise is a pain! But grown-ups have to learn how to do it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:03pm |
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uninformed opinion Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:04pm |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
If you were orange you could get a high paying job in DC. Insurance included.
I would sacrifice my natural pigment...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:35pm |
re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist
One does not simply 'walk in' to Mordor.
of course not! You take one of these: Image: unimog.jpg
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:36pm |
re: #458 Obdicut
He definitely does interject his opinion, especially in the way he examines the Slaughterhouse rule-- he doesn't mention, for example, that Public Citizen v. United States District Court for the District of Columbia would indicate the bill wasn't even challengeable.
This is Volokh on it, who himself is rather partisan:
[Link: volokh.com...]This part about general welfare's limitations by common good is farcical; like the US doesn't already provide benefits to individual states with every spending bill.
But the Dem leadership is fixing that part or attempting to, perhaps it has substance after all? Gosh I guess they got it wrong...
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:38pm |
re: #488 laZardo
One does not simply "read" the Health Care bill.
You would need a really good jazz combo behind you.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:53pm |
re: #491 prairiefire
If I were a commie, I would take Nancy's pearls.
They're huge. You could never make a fast getaway.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:58pm |
re: #487 albusteve
I hate uninsured people...count me in with the hyperbole
I thought you got your health insurance through the State of New Mexico.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:20:59pm |
re: #486 Racer X
re: #475 torrentprimeSchadenfreude alert, but I can only imagine some deeply angry wingnut responses to the applause Pelosi got as she walked in.
I despise Nancy Pelosi.
Voila!
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:21:03pm |
re: #484 avanti
Are you sure? I didn't think this senate bill was a large coverage bill. I think this bill is a monumental mistake like the TARP/Bailout boondoggle, but only time will tell.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:21:03pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:21:10pm |
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:21:30pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:03pm |
re: #484 avanti
The GOP plan covered 3 million, this one is 32 million, that's a improvement IMHO.
How many times must we remind people that SS didn't cover BLACK PEOPLE when it passed...
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:12pm |
re: #501 torrentprime
Voila!
Yep. And I'm a total tea-bagging, right-wing, froth at the mouth radical conservative wing nut!
/wait, no I'm not.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:19pm |
Does she have a hint of a New York accent?
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:27pm |
Darn the luck, there doesn’t seem to be a grand, 19th century oil canvas of Horatius At The Gate on the web, that I can find….
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laZardo Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:47pm |
re: #507 Racer X
Yep. And I'm a total tea-bagging, right-wing, froth at the mouth radical conservative wing nut!
/wait, no I'm not.
(;
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:47pm |
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:22:50pm |
re: #500 Gus 802
I thought you got your health insurance through the State of New Mexico.
I do...so what?...you looking for a fight?
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:23:22pm |
re: #475 torrentprime
Schadenfreude alert, but I can only imagine some deeply angry wingnut responses to the applause Pelosi got as she walked in.
Here's a synopsis from what I've read: She's a witch, she's damned to hell, she lies and OMG SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO QUOTE THE FOUNDERS!! eleventy
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:23:25pm |
Finally, speculation about an amendment banning the US government from regulating insurance? Seriously? That is the most extreme version of defeating this bill I've heard yet, and i've heard it first from him.
He's listing the potential challenges -- he missed one that is now totally moot. Is it potentially challengeable through a 35 state amendment and con con? Why yes it is, just as anything in the constitution is.
He calls this unlikely which you appear to have missed. Should I accuse you of lieing through Omission?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:23:29pm |
re: #509 The Sanity Inspector
Darn the luck, there doesn’t seem to be a grand, 19th century oil canvas of Horatius At The Gate on the web, that I can find….
Bridge.
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:23:38pm |
re: #513 albusteve
I do...so what?...you looking for a fight?
Nope. Thought I'd double check. You mentioned that they made you sign up for the public health insurance program for your state.
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:23:47pm |
re: #502 pingjockey
Are you sure? I didn't think this senate bill was a large coverage bill. I think this bill is a monumental mistake like the TARP/Bailout boondoggle, but only time will tell.
Yep, 32 million with the house tweaks.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:23:59pm |
re: #497 Thanos
Thanos, I have no idea what you're trying to prove, or want me to prove. All I said was that this analysis wasn't objective. It's not objective. I didn't claim there were factual errors, though his speculation about a constitutional amendment is so silly I don't even know what to do with it. His statement that state-by-state benefits are unconstitutional under the general welfare clause ignores the huge numbers of ways that specific states are given specific benefits in tons of bills.
What I'm saying is that his analysis does not at all analyze the attacks in terms of how strong they are, which would be necessary for any credible analysis.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:24:09pm |
Well, I'd love to stick around and read people loathing Nancy Pelosi with the white hot fire of a million trillion suns, but I have some gaming to do, some dice to toss, and some beer to drink.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:24:23pm |
re: #476 WindUpBird
Can we coin Health Care Reform Derangement Syndrome yet?
I suspect a lot of this wackytalk will die down, right now everything is at a fever pitch. In a few months I think people will lose their taste for predicting the REPUBLIC IS ENDING OH GOD MORDOR because of health care reform.
If this thing was the self-evidently correct thing to do, it would have been done decades ago. There are valid, real-world reasons for opposing it.
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:24:35pm |
BTW, new jobs opening at the IRS to enforce the rule of you must buy insurance. Yep, that's the ticket, let the gov't agency that doesn't have to have any court procedures at all to sieze assets, garnish wages, etc..
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:24:38pm |
re: #508 Killgore Trout
Her Daddy was Mayor of Baltimore. As a girl, she held the bible for him when he was sworn in.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:24:53pm |
re: #519 Obdicut
Thanos, I have no idea what you're trying to prove, or want me to prove. All I said was that this analysis wasn't objective. It's not objective. I didn't claim there were factual errors, though his speculation about a constitutional amendment is so silly I don't even know what to do with it. His statement that state-by-state benefits are unconstitutional under the general welfare clause ignores the huge numbers of ways that specific states are given specific benefits in tons of bills.
What I'm saying is that his analysis does not at all analyze the attacks in terms of how strong they are, which would be necessary for any credible analysis.
And he said it was unlikely, so what are you warbling on about?
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:25:17pm |
re: #517 Gus 802
Nope. Thought I'd double check. You mentioned that they made you sign up for the public health insurance program for your state.
they didn't make me, that's silly...they did recruit me, and after 4k and two years I signed
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:25:51pm |
Do you understand what "somewhat" means as a modifier?
/it's called reading for comprehension.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:25:57pm |
"...and he was too embarrassed to tell his family he needed help." So, better to hit up total strangers for the bill.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:26:00pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:26:24pm |
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:26:27pm |
re: #483 Rightwingconspirator
CATO takes unsubstantiated hits here.
Whereas when I take unsubstantiated hits, I suck 'em up and usually upding the hitter, providing there's humor involved.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:26:31pm |
re: #473 prairiefire
I read that he came up the trumpet players idea at the last minute before recording.
It was in a dream he had. Friggin brilliant idea.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:02pm |
re: #524 recusancy
Nancy Pelosi is damned good at her job.
getting bad legislation passed?...thanks Nanc
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:14pm |
re: #533 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, that's right. To our good fortune.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:16pm |
Not that anybody cares but...on Celebrity Apprentice, Rod "I'm gonna prove I'm not guilty" Blagovich was mistaken for Donny Osmond by some brilliant New York fans.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:27pm |
re: #507 Racer X
Yep. And I'm a total tea-bagging, right-wing, froth at the mouth radical conservative wing nut!
/wait, no I'm not.
Not in doubt. :)
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:33pm |
Fine, give us all the health care Teddy got through the senate.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:38pm |
re: #532 Cato the Elder
Whereas when I take unsubstantiated hits, I suck 'em up and usually upding the hitter, providing there's humor involved.
*Thinks of a way to cleverly insult Cato*
.
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.
.
.
Poopy head!
;)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:38pm |
re: #523 prairiefire
Her Daddy was Mayor of Baltimore. As a girl, she held the bible for him when he was sworn in.
Ah, maybe that's it.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:27:40pm |
re: #524 recusancy
Nancy Pelosi is damned good at her job.
Seriously?
She had a super majority and blew it. She had years to put this bill together and this is what we got. She is the Speaker of the House, not speaker of the Democratic Party in the House.
If she were my employee she would not receive a favorable performance review.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:28:33pm |
This is my favourite wingnutty comment so far...
This is the vernal equinox and Sunday, a satanic twofer for them.And passage of this bill will require 216 votes - 6 x 6 x 6 = 216
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:28:54pm |
re: #541 Racer X
Seriously?
She had a super majority and blew it. She had years to put this bill together and this is what we got. She is the Speaker of the House, not speaker of the Democratic Party in the House.
If she were my employee she would not receive a favorable performance review.
Quite Concur.
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recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:29:00pm |
re: #541 Racer X
Seriously?
She had a super majority and blew it. She had years to put this bill together and this is what we got. She is the Speaker of the House, not speaker of the Democratic Party in the House.
If she were my employee she would not receive a favorable performance review.
Your bias is showing strong. Most on the right understand her abilities and despise her for them. But they respect her abilities none the less.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:29:15pm |
re: #403 Obdicut
Let me take you back to the start of this.
No. I'm objecting to you saying that it's an objective analysis. He is not objective; he has a very firm agenda and angle that he interprets the constitution from that is outside of the mainstream.
There exactly is your lie through omission since I actually said "somewhat objective". It appears you are not objective either.
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:29:27pm |
re: #542 Walter L. Newton
Hasn't even started yet, BTW 3 votes have to happen.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:29:40pm |
Nancy's best point-"It might get no Republican votes but it has 200 Republican amendments." Paraphrased a bit.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:29:53pm |
re: #541 Racer X
Seriously?
She had a super majority and blew it. She had years to put this bill together and this is what we got. She is the Speaker of the House, not speaker of the Democratic Party in the House.
If she were my employee she would
not receive a favorable performance reviewbe demoted to janitor.
FIFY
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:29:54pm |
re: #543 Jadespring
This is my favourite wingnutty comment so far...
The vernal equinox and Sunday are satanic?
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:30:04pm |
re: #536 Escaped Hillbilly
Not that anybody cares but...on Celebrity Apprentice, Rod "I'm gonna prove I'm not guilty" Blagovich was mistaken for Donny Osmond by some brilliant New York fans.
That's an insult to Donny Osmond. =P
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:30:24pm |
re: #541 Racer X
Seriously?
She had a super majority and blew it. She had years to put this bill together and this is what we got. She is the Speaker of the House, not speaker of the Democratic Party in the House.
If she were my employee she would not receive a favorable performance review.
she doesn't...she congress are in the tank performance wise...in 2008 it was in single digits....good job Nancy, you stiff faced clown
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:30:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:30:38pm |
re: #543 Jadespring
This is my favourite wingnutty comment so far...
This is the vernal equinox and Sunday, a satanic twofer for them.
And passage of this bill will require 216 votes - 6 x 6 x 6 = 216
OMG! OBAMA IS PLANNING TO DAMN US TO HELL BY PASSING A HEALTH CARE BILL!!1111
[runs around screaming]
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:30:44pm |
re: #546 Thanos
I disagree that it's a 'somewhat' objective analysis. It's not at all objective.
Where does he say that the constitutional amendment is unlikely? I can't find it.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:31:44pm |
re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist
The vernal equinox and Sunday are satanic?
It's all godess-y, you know.
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uninformed opinion Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:31:54pm |
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, i want a roll call!
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:31:59pm |
re: #543 Jadespring
How the hell is the vernal equinox Satanic? That makes no sense.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:08pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:23pm |
Sigh, I still don't know where I stand on this bill... A bit late to the party, no?
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:27pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:27pm |
Johnny Cash live at San Quentin in 1969, A Boy Named Sue
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recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:30pm |
For those wondering.... The process is: They will vote on the senate bill that was passed last year unchanged. They will then vote on reconciliation to remove the Cornhusker kickback and all the other crap from the bill and then Obama signs it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:31pm |
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:32pm |
re: #546 Thanos
Let me take you back to the start of this.
There exactly is your lie through omission since I actually said "somewhat objective". It appears you are not objective either.
heh...play with words and get burned...the other day they completely fabricated something you claimed to say...cred is in the toilet imo
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:36pm |
re: #559 uninformed opinion
What is wrong with a roll call vote, in this era of transparency?
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:48pm |
re: #560 Lidane
How the hell is the vernal equinox Satanic? That makes no sense.
Maybe because evil pagans celebrate it or something.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:56pm |
Watching history happen is almost as dull as learning about it in High school.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:57pm |
Here comes the first of the three votes.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:32:59pm |
re: #545 recusancy
Your bias is showing strong. Most on the right understand her abilities and despise her for them. But they respect her abilities none the less.
I manage people. I never confuse effort, or good intention, with results. I look for people to deliver results while spending money wisely.
This bill aint it.
(yes, I am a capitalistic greedy bastard).
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:33:09pm |
re: #560 Lidane
How the hell is the vernal equinox Satanic? That makes no sense.
One of my pagan friends once had a woman tell her quite angrily, that the equinoxes were 'a myth'.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:33:21pm |
re: #568 albusteve
Who is 'they'? Do I have a mouse in my pocket? And are you accusing me of having fabricated something Thanos said?
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:33:37pm |
re: #543 Jadespring
WTF?! That's a good one. Vernal equinox is pagan and Sunday could be considered Christian, I guess. Whatta loon.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:33:50pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:33:50pm |
re: #563 Varek Raith
Sigh, I still don't know where I stand on this bill... A bit late to the party, no?
Well, stand by. Someone here may come up with a sizzling new argument you haven't heard yet. Unlikely, but possible.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:03pm |
re: #573 Racer X
Is not passing the bill and continuing with the status quo spending money more or less wisely than passing the bill?
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recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:08pm |
re: #573 Racer X
I manage people. I never confuse effort, or good intention, with results. I look for people to deliver results while spending money wisely.
This bill aint it.
(yes, I am a capitalistic greedy bastard).
Exactly. And she produced results. You may not like those results but she achieved her goal and a goal we've been trying to achieve since Teddy Roosevelt.
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uninformed opinion Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:14pm |
re: #569 Rightwingconspirator
What is wrong with a roll call vote, in this era of transparency?
nothing. but he wants it just so he can get footage for ads.
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solomonpanting Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:23pm |
re: #543 Jadespring
This is my favourite wingnutty comment so far...
Let me add one to the short list:
Three doctors from three different countries were discussing the success stories of the medical systems of their respective countries.
The doctor from Germany said they transplanted the arm of a man from Bremen to a surgeon in Berlin, and within six months the surgeon was working again.
The doctor from France said they were able to transplant the hand from someone in Lyon to a violinist in Paris, and within three months he was playing the violin.
The American doctor said they transplanted an asshole from Chicago to Washington, DC, and now no one is working.
OK, that's not true. The German was from Hamm, not Bremen.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:36pm |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
Watching history happen is almost as dull as learning about it in High school.
Living in the boring part of history is a good thing. I am in favor of it.
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:45pm |
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Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:34:56pm |
re: #563 Varek Raith
Sigh, I still don't know where I stand on this bill... A bit late to the party, no?
We are all basically spectators...
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:35:12pm |
re: #560 Lidane
How the hell is the vernal equinox Satanic? That makes no sense.
Because, back in the medieval it was very popular in north eastern France to leave the small villages and hamlets on the 21st, and remove all clothing and light bonfires in the woods, dance around the fire and chant and sing songs to little wood Balzapeth, who some antiquetist say is a bastardization of the name Beelzebub, andother name for Satan.
See Wiki.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:35:18pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:35:23pm |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
Watching history happen is almost as dull as learning about it in High school.
My English teacher in 7th grade made us watch Nixon resign live. She said we would thank her for it later. I still don't know why I would want to thank her for it.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:35:25pm |
re: #582 uninformed opinion
I like the idea that each can take credit or criticism for their vote.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:35:32pm |
re: #570 Jadespring
Maybe because evil pagans celebrate it or something.
*sigh*
They're not the only ones who commemorate it. It's also a national holiday in Japan. I really wish these fundie types would read a book once in a while. =P
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:36:12pm |
re: #545 recusancy
Your bias is showing strong. Most on the right understand her abilities and despise her for them. But they respect her abilities none the less.
abilities?...haha!...what are those abilities you speak of? and why can't this bill get passed without a whole tear of ridiculous drama and histrionics?...she is a tool and her congress is practically disfunctional, unless you count naming a highway for some dipshit donk or whatever....her and Reid represent some of the worst govt ever...and now they have this half wit BO to work for...good lord
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uninformed opinion Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:36:57pm |
re: #590 Rightwingconspirator
I like the idea that each can take credit or criticism for their vote.
which they do...
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:37:09pm |
On Motion to Concur in Senate Amendments
I will call it as passed.
The ayes have it.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:37:22pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:37:34pm |
re: #508 Killgore Trout
Does she have a hint of a New York accent?
She would LIKE to have a NY accent.
Sadly, it is not in her vocabulary!
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:37:35pm |
re: #595 Gus 802
On Motion to Concur in Senate Amendments
I will call it as passed.
The ayes have it.
Woohoo
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Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:37:37pm |
Bagua's Crystal Ball™ is off to a good start, with the Oil Price currently trading at $80.41 bbl, down 0.55 off of friday's close.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:37:52pm |
re: #569 Rightwingconspirator
What is wrong with a roll call vote, in this era of transparency?
fear...it takes months to lay the foundation for blame
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:38:25pm |
re: #576 Obdicut
Who is 'they'? Do I have a mouse in my pocket? And are you accusing me of having fabricated something Thanos said?
yes I am
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Girth Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:38:45pm |
re: #591 Lidane
*sigh*
They're not the only ones who commemorate it. It's also a national holiday in Japan. I really wish these fundie types would read a book once in a while. =P
Well, they do read one book all the time, but sadly they misunderstand that one too.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:38:51pm |
re: #601 albusteve
Okay. What did I fabricate, Steve? When did this occur?
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avanti Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:39:14pm |
re: #598 Thanos
Woohoo
Not yet, the GOP wants a tally, they are voting now, 10 minutes left and this is one of three.
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torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:39:39pm |
re: #604 Obdicut
Okay. What did I fabricate, Steve? When did this occur?
C'mon, you know 1/2 of what Steve says is just to rile, not serious...
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srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:39:52pm |
Evening folks!
Anyone else watching Discovery Channels "Life" series?
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:40:16pm |
re: #608 srb1976
Evening folks!
Anyone else watching Discovery Channels "Life" series?
Damn! I knew I forgot something...
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:40:25pm |
re: #556 Obdicut
I disagree that it's a 'somewhat' objective analysis. It's not at all objective.
Where does he say that the constitutional amendment is unlikely? I can't find it.
He does so in this section:
Although the first three of the potential constitutional challenges to health-care reform have a sound basis in the text of the Constitution, and no Supreme Court precedents clearly bar their success, the smart money says there won't be five votes to thwart the popular will to enact comprehensive health insurance reform.
Although not explicit since the constitutional con is fourth or fifth item iirc it's implicit.
/l3rn 2 reAd 4 Cmprension dude.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:40:27pm |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
Watching history happen is almost as dull as learning about it in High school.
Well, here's one point of common ground: we can take pride in being Americans (those of us who are in fact Americans, that is), watching this. In many another country, the unleashing of such populist passions would be a harbinger of civil war. But, we are better than that.
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recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:40:30pm |
re: #607 torrentprime
C'mon, you know 1/2 of what Steve says is just to rile, not serious...
I just get a kick out of it. It's like "shit my dad says".
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WindHorse Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:41:10pm |
Tiger needs a new dictionary..... "horrific" (is that how he spells it??)
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srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:41:15pm |
re: #609 Varek Raith
Damn! I knew I forgot something...
They appear to be re-running tonights episodes a time or 2.....it's pretty cool
| 616 |
Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:41:56pm |
If Obama knew how to play poker, we would have avoided approximately nine months of wingnuttery.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:42:06pm |
re: #610 Thanos
Although not explicit since the constitutional con is fourth or fifth item iirc it's implicit.
How is it implicit? Because you say so? A constitutional convention doesn't involve any vote by the justices whatsoever, so the five votes don't apply. So, that paragraph cannot at all apply to the idea of the amendment.
/l3rn 2 reAd 4 Cmprension dude.
Why the hell are you being so rude?
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Lidane Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:42:29pm |
re: #602 Girth
Well, they do read one book all the time, but sadly they misunderstand that one too.
That's because they're relying on a bad translation (the KJV) and a bunch of televangelists and nutjobs to tell them how to interpret it all.
There are many, many things that could be said about the Catholic Church, but the Jesuit and Holy Cross priests who taught me how to critically read and interpret the Bible were good at their jobs. I'll always appreciate that.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:42:38pm |
re: #559 uninformed opinion
WAAAH, i want a roll call!
I want a cracked liberty bell Philadelphia roll!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:42:55pm |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
Watching history happen is almost as dull as learning about it in High school.
That is why I wait and watch it on the History Channel. (Well, sometimes.)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:43:30pm |
re: #593 Varek Raith
Equinox = Science = SATAAANNN!
;)
What else would you expect from creationist loons?
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soap_man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:43:52pm |
CNN just reported that some of the Dem nay votes told Pelosi that they would vote for it if she absolutely needed their votes. But if they could vote no and still have 216, they were going to vote no.
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srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:44:09pm |
re: #621 laZardo
I watched "Lock 'n Load with R. Lee Ermey" on History last night.
/gunny ftw
= )
We DVR that too
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:44:26pm |
re: #617 Obdicut
Why the hell are you being so rude?
I only get rude when people twist my words, you should know that by now. I don't consider rubbing a puppies nose in it's own shit as rude, I consider it educational and purposeful.
Lizards discount information based on facts, not whether they like or dislike where the information is coming from.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:44:32pm |
re: #623 soap_man
CNN just reported that some of the Dem nay votes told Pelosi that they would vote for it if she absolutely needed their votes. But if they could vote no and still have 216, they were going to vote no.
The political species is a skittish one.
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recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:44:42pm |
re: #623 soap_man
CNN just reported that some of the Dem nay votes told Pelosi that they would vote for it if she absolutely needed their votes. But if they could vote no and still have 216, they were going to vote no.
Happens every time there's a difficult vote.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:44:53pm |
re: #622 Dark_Falcon
Well Nancy Pelosi invoked the Creator at the beginning of her speech so...
///
*ducks small objects from left aisle*
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srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:45:04pm |
re: #626 laZardo
I don't think so...haven't seen it in awhile anyway
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laZardo Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:45:13pm |
I'll be honest.
This health care bill's gone through so many versions and compromises that I'm not quite sure what it's supposed to do anymore.
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soap_man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:45:49pm |
Dems are chanting something. Can't tell what it is.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:46:18pm |
re: #625 Thanos
Wow. Now you're comparing your behavior towards me as rubbing a puppies' nose in it's shit. Lovely. I'll remember that you said that about me. Even though I've made a lot of arguments about what he actually says. You felt it necessary to compare yourself to a man rubbing a puppy's nose in its shit. With me as the puppy.
Goodnight. I'm not in the mood for this.
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soap_man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:46:31pm |
re: #635 soap_man
Dems are chanting something. Can't tell what it is.
Oh, wait. It's "yes we can" according to Wolf.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:46:32pm |
re: #623 soap_man
CNN just reported that some of the Dem nay votes told Pelosi that they would vote for it if she absolutely needed their votes. But if they could vote no and still have 216, they were going to vote no.
I've been backing Artur Davis for our gubernatorial primary. If he dodged this, I'm going with the dimwit.
| 641 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:46:51pm |
re: #604 Obdicut
Okay. What did I fabricate, Steve? When did this occur?
I figured as much..lets just say you have a habit of putting words in somebodys mouth...you are not alone tho...it's archived and I'm confident, otherwise I'm not going to go back...I've already proved my ignorance to you...so be it, and simply discount the rest
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:46:55pm |
re: #623 soap_man
CNN just reported that some of the Dem nay votes told Pelosi that they would vote for it if she absolutely needed their votes. But if they could vote no and still have 216, they were going to vote no.
Not a surprise. Dick Morris said that the House worked like that 9 months ago. They are afraid of what the bill will do to them politically, but they still like it and depend on the DNC to support them for re-election.
| 644 |
The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:47:29pm |
Two Republicans didn't vote? Who?
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:48:11pm |
re: #607 torrentprime
C'mon, you know 1/2 of what Steve says is just to rile, not serious...
fine with me...I'm not here to achieve some ding blog status
| 648 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:48:17pm |
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Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:48:19pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:48:40pm |
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:49:05pm |
219 Yea
210 Against
2 Republican no votes
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:49:18pm |
re: #642 Dark_Falcon
Heh. Obama has what he wants, he'll throw the dem reps under the bus.
| 656 |
Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:49:21pm |
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jaunte Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:49:54pm |
re: #625 Thanos
Lizards discount information based on facts, not whether they like or dislike where the information is coming from.
Well, it's definitely a worthy goal.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:49:54pm |
re: #612 recusancy
I just get a kick out of it. It's like "shit my dad says".
it's a pile on!...line up!..hahaha!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:49:55pm |
re: #651 laZardo
Oh, there we go. 219 Y - 212 N.
During the test votes, they had 224 I think... who was the chicken shits?
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:50:23pm |
re: #650 Gus 802
What is that? I've seen that referenced before.
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Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:50:29pm |
Oops, Intrade has Obamacare at:
91.2 bid - 98.2 ask
De fat lady must have taken the stage.
| 664 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:50:30pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:50:47pm |
| 666 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:51:35pm |
re: #626 laZardo
Do they still have Mail Call?
terrific show...it's called something else now, and not nearly as fun
| 668 |
Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:52:03pm |
re: #662 pingjockey
What is that? I've seen that referenced before.
"Top conservatives on twitter" where teh Teapers hang out.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:52:18pm |
re: #608 srb1976
Evening folks!
Anyone else watching Discovery Channels "Life" series?
My son was changing channels the other day and that show was on every channel he selected. He said it freaked him out. He said "Ok, ok, I'll watch it, just stop taking over the satelite." But he didn't watch it.
| 672 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:52:57pm |
re: #638 soap_man
Oh, wait. It's "yes we can" according to Wolf.
Yes they can... mess things up. And they just did. Still, its not as bad as it could have been. But David Frum is right: free market forces in America suffered a irreversible defeat today. And they should principally blame themselves.
| 673 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:53:00pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:53:34pm |
re: #668 Thanos
"Top conservatives on twitter" where teh Teapers hang out.
There's a couple sane people that pop in once in awhile - that makes me laugh.
| 676 |
Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:53:50pm |
Here's the #tcot feed where the crazy is boiling over
[Link: twitter.com...]
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pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:53:51pm |
re: #665 Gus 802
Aha. I must admit, I don't twitter/tweet, etc... :)
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keloyd Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:53:53pm |
re: #663 Bagua
Oops, Intrade has Obamacare at:
91.2 bid - 98.2 ask
De fat lady must have taken the stage.
So what's up with Intrade these days? I thought they were in legal trouble, then they stopped taking credit card, now they're back but don't appear to take sports betting. That had to be 95% of their volume.
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srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:07pm |
re: #670 Escaped Hillbilly
My son was changing channels the other day and that show was on every channel he selected. He said it freaked him out. He said "Ok, ok, I'll watch it, just stop taking over the satelite." But he didn't watch it.
Funny! = )
My little guy actually left his cartoons to come watch the hippo fight = )....the Little Man loves his hippos
| 680 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:07pm |
re: #672 Dark_Falcon
Just wait. It's the way things are done. Add on, add on, add on, add on, add on, add on until you get what you wanted from the beginning. This is it.
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recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:19pm |
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albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:25pm |
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:35pm |
oh good grief......
gentleman from michigan *yawn*
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:39pm |
re: #676 Thanos
Here's the #tcot feed where the crazy is boiling over
[Link: twitter.com...]
Heads are undoubtedly asploding.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:54:52pm |
re: #676 Thanos
Yes, there's craziness and stupidity, but people have a right to be pissed.
| 688 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:55:00pm |
I have no idea wether this legislation will be a good thing or a total cluster fuck. I honestly hope it will be a good thing, and my doubts will be proven wrong.
It is a massive overhaul of our system. Unheard of in modern history. Yes, health care reform is needed. This bill is much more than health care reform.
I sure hope our government can pull this shit off. Past examples of management do not make me feel optimistic.
| 689 |
soap_man Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:55:30pm |
| 690 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:55:44pm |
re: #685 sngnsgt
i like my doctors appointments, hospital consultant care, £7 co-pays and higher life expectencies
| 691 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:55:47pm |
re: #685 sngnsgt
Think Healthcare is expensive? Wait until it's "free."
My girlfriend just got an email from her employer... her premiums just went down 45%.
| 692 |
Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:55:57pm |
| 693 |
NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:56:06pm |
Are all the kickbacks/bribes still in the bill?
| 694 |
Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:56:19pm |
Nothing gets me more fired up than old men talking about a woman's right to choose. Assholes.
| 697 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:57:16pm |
re: #691 Walter L. Newton
My girlfriend just got an email from her employer... her premiums just went down
453,000%.
Fixed.
| 698 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:57:19pm |
I somenly hope and pray that this health care bill, is in fact, what this country needs at this time. Bag the partisanship, If it is what we need, I hope we can find a way to make it work. As in, pay for it.
Those is you out of work, I hope this meets your needs!
Those of you working, I hope it improves your lot.
The rest of us, well, just pray.
| 699 |
Randall Gross Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:57:30pm |
re: #687 TheMatrix31
Yes, there's craziness and stupidity, but people have a right to be pissed.
Yes and no. The R's through it away last election by catering to the Socons, it's the bed they made, elections have consequences. This is one of them. I like some of the stuff in the HCR bill, but certainly there's going to be some bad. Hopefully it will sort out over the next few years.
| 700 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:57:33pm |
re: #693 NJDhockeyfan
Are all the kickbacks/bribes still in the bill?
Some of them were stripped out. Nelson big Nebraska bribe is gone (which is good).
| 701 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:57:38pm |
| 702 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:58:09pm |
"obamacare".......
"abortion on demand"
"forces an abortion surtax"
"unrestricted publically funded abortion"
| 703 |
torrentprime Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:58:39pm |
I know we have some social cons here, and I'd love to hear some ideas on this: does this last-ditch appeal to go full-abortion-alert work? Does it resonate?
| 704 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:58:39pm |
re: #694 Stanley Sea
Nothing gets me more fired up than old men talking about a woman's right to choose. Assholes.
No shit. I have no problem with abortion - it is a very personal decision. I have no right to tell others what to do.
| 706 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:58:55pm |
re: #700 Dark_Falcon
Some of them were stripped out. Nelson big Nebraska bribe is gone (which is good).
darn it!...that was good, wholesome fun
| 708 |
Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:11pm |
re: #653 wozzablog
219 Yea
210 Against
2 Republican no votes
There has been so much attention paid to the will it pass question that I doubt anyone is noting how freaking close it was. That's a lot of against votes. They aren't all Republicans. Hmmm.
| 709 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:12pm |
re: #685 sngnsgt
Think Healthcare is expensive? Wait until it's "free."
Since this bill does not make healthcare free, I am not going to worry about that tonight.
| 710 |
keloyd Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:23pm |
re: #694 Stanley Sea
Nothing gets me more fired up than old men talking about a woman's right to choose. Assholes.
You mean like Gore who was passionately pro life for his Tennessee voters until he ran for national office and switched? Or like pro Choice George Bush The Elder, who switched when he ran for VP to get the family values crowd to stfu? I'm thinking 1 in 5 old men talking about abortion believe a word coming out of their mouths, imho
| 711 |
NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:30pm |
re: #700 Dark_Falcon
Some of them were stripped out. Nelson big Nebraska bribe is gone (which is good).
I'll believe it when I see it. I have a sneaky feeling none of them were removed.
| 712 |
recusancy Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:31pm |
re: #700 Dark_Falcon
Some of them were stripped out. Nelson big Nebraska bribe is gone (which is good).
Actually those are in what they just voted on. But later this will go back to the senate and they will vote in reconciliation to take out those amendments. It will be interesting to see if any Republicans vote with the Dems to remove those kick backs.
| 713 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:32pm |
re: #698 Floral Giraffe
I somenly hope and pray that this health care bill, is in fact, what this country needs at this time. Bag the partisanship, If it is what we need, I hope we can find a way to make it work. As in, pay for it.
Those is you out of work, I hope this meets your needs!
Those of you working, I hope it improves your lot.
The rest of us, well, just pray.
Well said.
| 714 |
bosforus Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:41pm |
re: #691 Walter L. Newton
My girlfriend just got an email from her employer... her premiums just went down 45%.
I guess that counters mine going up 42% last month.
| 715 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:52pm |
re: #701 Walter L. Newton
I wasn't kidding.
Really? Just now she got an email saying premiums went down?
| 716 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:56pm |
| 717 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:57pm |
re: #690 wozzablog
i like my doctors appointments, hospital consultant care, £7 co-pays and higher life expectencies
Shut up!!!! You don't count!!!! You're already dead because you had to wait forty-seven weeks to get your hangnail looked at!!!!!
////
| 718 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:59:59pm |
re: #704 Racer X
I'd rather focus my attention on kicking ass and keeping money. I don't give a FUCK about that nonsense. It's a joke that some of those issues are some people's sole reason for existence or passion.
| 719 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:00:11pm |
re: #691 Walter L. Newton
My girlfriend just got an email from her employer... her premiums just went down 45%.
Eh?
| 722 |
Bagua Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:00:37pm |
re: #678 keloyd
So what's up with Intrade these days? I thought they were in legal trouble, then they stopped taking credit card, now they're back but don't appear to take sports betting. That had to be 95% of their volume.
Don't know, haven't followed them.
| 723 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:00:41pm |
re: #699 Thanos
Yes and no. The R's through it away last election by catering to the Socons, it's the bed they made, elections have consequences. This is one of them. I like some of the stuff in the HCR bill, but certainly there's going to be some bad. Hopefully it will sort out over the next few years.
My own take: This bill is passed and will not be repealed. Conservatives now need to find a way to keep it tamed and under control. We need to , over time, embrace parts of the bill and make it ours by tweaking it (but not by screaming and chopping off sections of it). Our best chance to keep this thing contained is to accept it and commit our selves to the roles of wise stewards of it.
| 724 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:00:46pm |
re: #708 Escaped Hillbilly
Some democrats would have flipped if it looked like falling - they ran away to cover their electoral butts.
A few stayed on with the "abortion on demand" republican schtick.
And some were just hopeless cases.
| 726 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:01:52pm |
re: #723 Dark_Falcon
Yeah right. Don't hold your breath.
| 727 |
srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:02:06pm |
re: #704 Racer X
No shit. I have no problem with abortion - it is a very personal decision. I have no right to tell others what to do.
It's not that I have a problem with abortion being legal...but I do have a problem paying for someone else's...legal sure, taxpayer subsidized, I can't say I'm thrilled with
| 728 |
albusteve Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:02:24pm |
re: #716 Decatur Deb
re: #698 Floral Giraffe
It's a mess, but I'm glad it passed. We're a smart country--we'll fix it.
yeah, we are so smart we have legislated ourselves into enough debt to last multiple generations...this just adds to it...get ready for inflation, and with 10% of the people out of work...man, are we brilliant or what?
| 729 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:02:37pm |
re: #717 SanFranciscoZionist
Send the flowers to my socialist crematorium......
| 730 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:02:46pm |
re: #727 srb1976
It's not that I have a problem with abortion being legal...but I do have a problem paying for someone else's...legal sure, taxpayer subsidized, I can't say I'm thrilled with
But there's nothing in the bill...
I can't actually type these word out again.
| 731 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:03:10pm |
re: #541 Racer X
Seriously?
She had a super majority and blew it. She had years to put this bill together and this is what we got. She is the Speaker of the House, not speaker of the Democratic Party in the House.
If she were my employee she would not receive a favorable performance review.
Uhh, wouldn't that be Harry Reid in the Senate that you are talking about? I don't recall anything about Dems having a "super majority" in the House of Representitives...
| 732 |
pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:03:29pm |
The reps are getting a bit unruly. Yeah. Some real passion. This abortion nonsense is just that, nonsense. Abortion is already legal and someway somehow my tax dollars are helping fund it anyway. I don't like it, but there it is.
| 733 |
The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:03:38pm |
re: #693 NJDhockeyfan
Are all the kickbacks/bribes still in the bill?
"Everybody's your friend, when you've got it to spend"...
| 735 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:03:49pm |
re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, because those Executive Orders are just SO iron-clad! And Obama's proven to be SO trustworthy!
Whatever, I don't give a shit. Fuck 'em. They're in power, they can do whatever they want.
| 737 |
srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:04:39pm |
re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist
But there's nothing in the bill...
I can't actually type these word out again.
Don't worry, not actually all that fired up....I don't think this was a great idea, but it's sure as hell too late to fight about it now
| 738 |
Stanghazi Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:04:45pm |
re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist
But there's nothing in the bill...
I can't actually type these word out again.
For some reason this does not sink in.
| 739 |
Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:05:08pm |
re: #735 TheMatrix31
Do you always carry that chip around with you???
| 740 |
Jadespring Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #735 TheMatrix31
Yeah, because those Executive Orders are just SO iron-clad! And Obama's proven to be SO trustworthy!
Whatever, I don't give a shit. Fuck 'em. They're in power, they can do whatever they want.
It was all BS in the first place, executive order or not. The EO was basically a bit a of political fluff to allow the Stupaks to save face.
| 741 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #731 ausador
Uhh, wouldn't that be Harry Reid in the Senate that you are talking about? I don't recall anything about Dems having a "super majority" in the House of Representitives...
No.
Nancy had a Dem president, a majority in the senate, and yet she could not get enough Dems in the house on board with her agenda.
Fail.
| 742 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:05:27pm |
re: #739 Varek Raith
Yes. I'm a sarcastic prick. Deal with it.
| 743 |
srb1976 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:05:43pm |
re: #738 Stanley Sea
For some reason this does not sink in.
Probably because I didn't see it the first time....
| 744 |
Varek Raith Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:06:08pm |
| 746 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:06:37pm |
re: #723 Dark_Falcon
Tories had to do the same thing with the NHS over here - they did not want to be seen as the party that after Healthcare had finally been given to all people as being the ones wanting to take it away.
| 747 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:06:54pm |
re: #728 albusteve
yeah, we are so smart we have legislated ourselves into enough debt to last multiple generations...this just adds to it...get ready for inflation, and with 10% of the people out of work...man, are we brilliant or what?
Didn't say it would be fun or easy. I'm just glad we have an economy right now.
| 748 |
pingjockey Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:07:16pm |
Fine...all you folks smoking and buying junk food be prepared for other people getting in your face cause we the citizens are now paying for all this damn health care.
| 749 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:07:23pm |
re: #744 Varek Raith
Oh, it does. I have to be a sarcastic prick to deal with what's happening in life. It's the only way I can do it.
| 750 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:07:28pm |
oh jeeebus.
first call on CSPAN - government can't grant rights - only natures god can.........
| 751 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:07:37pm |
re: #712 recusancy
Actually those are in what they just voted on. But later this will go back to the senate and they will vote in reconciliation to take out those amendments. It will be interesting to see if any Republicans vote with the Dems to remove those kick backs.
If they're smart, they will.
| 753 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:09:38pm |
Second vote sewn up with 10 minutes left.
College kid just on CSPAN seems to think that he will immediately be able to stay on his parents cover longer...... don't know if thats true, but if so it's pretty good.
Following caller said it's the first time in history the government has been able to force people to buy something - obvioously not heard of flood insurance or auto insurance.
| 754 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:10:20pm |
re: #749 TheMatrix31
Oh, it does. I have to be a sarcastic prick to deal with what's happening in life. It's the only way I can do it.
i understand. This is a bad day for us politically. And we can't lie: Conservatism just suffered a loss that cannot be undone. But we're not dead out and we've got to refocus and act more effectively. Otherwise, this defeat is the first of many.
| 755 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:10:59pm |
re: #754 Dark_Falcon
Hopefully you can remain optimistic for the both of us. I might be done with this fucking politics crap.
| 756 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:11:46pm |
| 757 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:12:22pm |
oh good grief.
"the president will eventually legislate when we sleep..."
| 758 |
The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:12:31pm |
C-Span's call-in reactions are all over the place.
| 759 |
Racer X Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:12:31pm |
re: #748 pingjockey
Fine...all you folks smoking and buying junk food be prepared for other people getting in your face cause we the citizens are now paying for all this damn health care.
psst, hey buddy, wanna buy some junk food?
| 760 |
The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:13:32pm |
re: #755 TheMatrix31
Hopefully you can remain optimistic for the both of us. I might be done with this fucking politics crap.
The penalty for not participating in government is to be governed by your inferiors.
--Plato
| 762 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:14:13pm |
re: #760 The Sanity Inspector
We're already governed by idiots who were put in place by other idiots, how much worse can it get?
| 764 |
Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:15:15pm |
re: #679 srb1976
My son's a little past the hippos love stage. He prefers House and Futurama.
| 765 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:15:22pm |
re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist
But there's nothing in the bill...
I can't actually type these word out again.
Oh, come on SFZ, surely the facist Dems cannot pass a bill that completely Socializes all medical care in America and not include tax payer paid for and government encouraged abortions? You just know it has to be there somewhere in the fine print, just like the euthanasia provisions for everyone old enough to qualify for social security payments.
/Scary that some actually fervently believe that....
| 766 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:16:02pm |
re: #758 The Sanity Inspector
Practising nurse on now - says everyone can be covered through working hard.......
Obviously just everyone that is who has never had a prior medical problem can.....
| 767 |
The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:17:17pm |
re: #762 TheMatrix31
We're already governed by idiots who were put in place by other idiots, how much worse can it get?
Those were Famous Last Words for a lot of countries this past century. Just gotta grit your teeth and not give up on the country.
But yeah, when the prevailing ethos turns into "Just keep the checks coming until I'm dead, and fuck posterity", then that's pretty demoralizing. I feel ya....
| 768 |
Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:21:38pm |
re: #724 wozzablog
Some democrats would have flipped if it looked like falling - they ran away to cover their electoral butts.
A few stayed on with the "abortion on demand" republican schtick.
And some were just hopeless cases.
Or maybe some were actually against it?
| 769 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:23:27pm |
re: #723 Dark_Falcon
My own take: This bill is passed and will not be repealed. Conservatives now need to find a way to keep it tamed and under control. We need to , over time, embrace parts of the bill and make it ours by tweaking it (but not by screaming and chopping off sections of it). Our best chance to keep this thing contained is to accept it and commit our selves to the roles of wise stewards of it.
I just turned off the TV, angrily, when hearing the last word from the party of No was "save the children".
Sorry, but from my perspective the Republicans have NEVER tried to reform health care, or control the insurance for profit industry and I have heard nothing from them this past year except fear mongering and negative spin as if "starting from scratch" means squat.
I don't know what is good or bad in this bill, but I don't believe a word I hear about it from Republicans any more.
I do know however that nobody dies in the streets in the USA if they can get to a hospital and nobody is denied care if they don't have cash, and millions of people, rightly or wrongly, think we have socialized medicine in this country and take it for granted. I see it up close and personal.
I have yet to hear anyone, on TV or elsewhere, explain why these "uninsured" millions aren't dying like flies all around us, and what the effect on finances will be when they suddenly become "insured" and continue to get the same care they now have.
And with that rant, I'm going to sleep it off.
Goodnight.
| 770 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:28:36pm |
re: #735 TheMatrix31
Yeah, because those Executive Orders are just SO iron-clad! And Obama's proven to be SO trustworthy!
Whatever, I don't give a shit. Fuck 'em. They're in power, they can do whatever they want.
The Senate bill that the House has now also passed specifically excludes spending public money on elective abortions. There is also a completely separate Federal law that is still in force that also does so, nothing was changed tonight on that.
Stupak decided to get his fifteen minutes of fame by claiming that somehow the Senate version of the bill would spend federal tax dollars on elective abortions. He lied, period, he was grandstanding so that now his name is a recognizable by almost everyone in America.
Obama gave him the executive order that does absolutely nothing and cost him nothing, he probably didn't even have to think about it for more than half a second. It lets Stupak say publicly that he won his anti-abortion stance and satisfy the pro-lifer contingent, along with all the free publicity.
Everybody wins, except for those mislead enough to still believe that this bill will somehow provide federal funding for elective abortions anytime Obama decides to change his mind about the executive order.
Gahh, the whole thing was cynical and sickening political theater. :(
| 771 |
Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 21, 2010 8:30:56pm |
re: #769 Naso Tang
Perhaps they'll qualify also for preventive care and maybe even aftercare instead of getting patched up and sent home from the ER with the advice to see their primary care doctor and an expensive prescription or two to fill, neither of which they can do at present because they're not, umm, insured.
| 772 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 9:55:43pm |
re: #521 The Sanity Inspector
If this thing was the self-evidently correct thing to do, it would have been done decades ago. There are valid, real-world reasons for opposing it.
Now THIS is some naive stuff. Because there's like, no business interests who stand to benefit from opposing efficiency in our health care system! Nope, no sir!
| 773 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:51:47am |
re: #521 The Sanity Inspector
If this thing was the self-evidently correct thing to do, it would have been done decades ago. There are valid, real-world reasons for opposing it.
You mean like the valid, real-world reasons for opposing national health care that that old progressive commie Otto von Bismarck overcame when when he introduced the German system in the fuckin' nineteenth century?
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