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Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau.
Mock on, mock on—‘tis all in vain!
You throw the sand against the wind,
And the wind blows it back again.
— William Blake, Poems from Blake’s Notebook
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Mar 22, 2010 10:58:30pm |
William Blake's paintings rule.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:08:07pm |
From Wiki:
His prophetic poetry has been said to form "what is in proportion to its merits the least read body of poetry in the English language".
Considered mad by contemporaries for his idiosyncratic views, Blake is held in high regard by later critics for his expressiveness and creativity, and for the philosophical and mystical undercurrents within his work.
Hmm, another misunderstood artist type who had to die before people "took him seriously" ehh?
/J/K. ;)
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jvic Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:10:28pm |
And every sand becomes a Gem
Reflected in the beams divine;
Blown back, they blind the mocking Eye,
But still in Israel's paths they shine.
The Atoms of Democritus
And Newton's Particles of light
Are sands upon the Red sea shore,
Where Israel's tents do shine so bright.
*** *** *** ***
One of my favorites.
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freetoken Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:11:32pm |
Mock on, mock on...
What? Are we back to Glenn Beck now?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:15:03pm |
Blake is right, of course, but some satire lives forever:
On the Seventieth Anniversary of World War Two's First Shots, Pat Buchanan Tells Us Hitler Was Not So Bad
A Catholic fascist, Buchanan,
Was known for his love of the cannon.
But only when turned
On people he spurned.
Such as Jews, Gypsies, Poles and O'Bannon.
Copyright 2009 Cato the Elder
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freetoken Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:17:41pm |
re: #5 Cato the Elder
As I reported last night, right not the headline article on Buchanan's site is by one Beatrice Mott, on praising the anti-semite Eustace Mullins.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:20:23pm |
I was hoping to discuss the immigration reform bill. I actually got to read a little about it. I've been watching the cspan coverage of the Washington march and rally but so far its just a lot of cheerleading without much substantive discussion. The various speakers are just whipping up the crowd without being specific.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:23:56pm |
re: #7 Escaped Hillbilly
Isn't Cindy Sheehan planning to put up a tent city on the mall? That should be good for a few chuckles.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:27:33pm |
re: #8 Cato the Elder
No violence or ugliness that I've seen so far from anyone really. Actually I think we have to fear the indifference of the majority really.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:30:00pm |
I merely meant that Cindy, with her screechy voice and other winning ways, might not be the ideal representative of the cause.
One is always looking for comic relief.
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freetoken Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:33:03pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:34:29pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:35:31pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Well, if he doesn't like this country, he ought to go back to where his ancestors came from. But the cave might be a little small for his ego.
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freetoken Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:38:49pm |
re: #12 Cato the Elder
Its an essay on how immigration is not just bad for America but it is very bad for the GOP, thus the GOP should be for closing immigration for an indeterminate period.
You can find it at his site (it's his last name .org), titled "The Sydney Carton Party".
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:43:23pm |
re: #14 freetoken
Forgive me, I think I'll skip it. The GOP doesn't need more of that kind of rhetoric. Several Republicans were on the stage with Dems for todays immigration reform rally. I'd rather give them my time and attention.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:52:41pm |
re: #14 freetoken
Its an essay on how immigration is not just bad for America but it is very bad for the GOP, thus the GOP should be for closing immigration for an indeterminate period.
You can find it at his site (it's his last name .org), titled "The Sydney Carton Party".
Righty-o, so to speak. One limerick coming up!
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:58:11pm |
Well, doesn't seem many people want to play and I have PT tomorrow so, goodnight or goodmorning, whatever it is where you are. Guess I'll have to read that lymerick tomorrow.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:59:50pm |
My Fathers parents came over from Spain while his mother was pregnant with him, he was born in West Virginia in 1930. My grandparents were in fact illegal aliens in this country but who later formally and legally became citizens.
Unlike some "Americans" whose families have been in this country for maybe as much as eight or nine generations (wow!) and therefore feel entitled to put on airs while slamming the door on the rest of world, I do not.
Immigrants built this entire frigging country and we could still use some fresh blood today, or at least it seems like it to me. Everyone here is in a historical sense a recent immigrant unless they are of Native American blood in which case it just means that they immigrated 10-40,000 years before we did.
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RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 22, 2010 11:59:58pm |
Looks like the teabaggers are starting to escalate their rhetoric, in a potentially very bad way.
From Politico:
Tea partiers told to 'drop by' Rep. Tom Perriello's home
A tea party organizer angry over Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) vote in favor of health care reform published what he thought was the freshman member’s home address on a blog, in case any readers “want to drop by” and provide a “personal touch” to their views.
Rather than giving out Perriello’s address however, the tea party activist instead mistakenly printed the home address of the congressman’s brother. Perriello’s brother and wife have four children under the age of eight.
In the post, the author gives out the address to his “friends” in Perriello’s district.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 23, 2010 12:21:08am |
re: #19 RadicalModerate
Looks like the teabaggers are starting to escalate their rhetoric, in a potentially very bad way.
From Politico:
Tea partiers told to 'drop by' Rep. Tom Perriello's home
Rather than giving out Perriello’s address however, the tea party activist instead mistakenly printed the home address of the congressman’s brother. Perriello’s brother and wife have four children under the age of eight.
My goodness. The mistakes we make when we're angry.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 12:38:51am |
re: #19 RadicalModerate
Looks like the teabaggers are starting to escalate their rhetoric, in a potentially very bad way.
From Politico:
Tea partiers told to 'drop by' Rep. Tom Perriello's home
Whats the big deal, maybe he just wants them to drop by to help him celebrate the passage of the HCR bill. Maybe they will bring cookies or maybe even cake.
/Yeah, yeah, I know, internet stalkers are deservedly scary and they suck even more when pointed towards the wrong person. You never know if one is going to be quite insane enough to actually follow thru on the threats.
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Lidane Tue, Mar 23, 2010 12:39:25am |
re: #19 RadicalModerate
Looks like the teabaggers are starting to escalate their rhetoric, in a potentially very bad way.
From Politico:
Tea partiers told to 'drop by' Rep. Tom Perriello's home
This will end well.
///
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:04:11am |
re: #19 RadicalModerate
Notice that it is always some putz encouraging someone else to go pay the "evil doer" a visit. You see the same thing constantly at the white supremecy sites and the anti-abortion extremeist sites.
"here is so-and-so's address, somebody should really go pay him a visit, blah, blah, blah..."
I always feel like posting back "What, aren't you committed enough to drive over and take care of it yourself?" But of course I wont, I wouldn't want to be known as the person who "egged" some psychopath on towards killing someone.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:24:12am |
re: #8 Cato the Elder
Isn't Cindy Sheehan planning to put up a tent city on the mall? That should be good for a few chuckles.
OH GOD NO
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:24:22am |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:31:50am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:31:58am |
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Lidane Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:34:19am |
OK. Heading off to bed finally. Before I go, two songs from the 80's that I've always liked:
G'night Lizards! :)
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Three Hundred Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:35:50am |
Am I seeing the LGF homepage correctly today? There are only three topics and one overnight thread? Wow, LGF has really changed from what I remembered...and now there is the usual mockery of the right, and anything alluding to family values, or christian religious values. And the posts...like I said yesterday, 'echo chamber' this.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:37:27am |
re: #31 Three Hundred
Am I seeing the LGF homepage correctly today? There are only three topics and one overnight thread? Wow, LGF has really changed from what I remembered...and now there is the usual mockery of the right, and anything alluding to family values, or christian religious values. And the posts...like I said yesterday, 'echo chamber' this.
Yeah, guess you're just gonna have to suck on it, champ.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:37:48am |
re: #31 Three Hundred
Get a clue... Charles is on vacation and thus not able to post much.
As for mocking the right... you betcha... not a group more worthy to be mocked these days.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:38:27am |
re: #33 freetoken
Get a clue... Charles is on vacation and thus not able to post much.
As for mocking the right... you betcha... not a group more worthy to be mocked these days.
IIT'S TOTALLLITAAAARIAN!!!!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:38:53am |
re: #31 Three Hundred
Am I seeing the LGF homepage correctly today? There are only three topics and one overnight thread?
Charles is on vacation, shithead. Deal.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:39:53am |
re: #27 WindUpBird
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha win
I plan to post that sporadically every so often. ;)
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:40:22am |
Got no problem with immigrants, but they ought to be legal and their arrival and residence status here should be regulated. Problem is, regulating and controlling large numbers of immigrants is expensive, invasive and would naturally involve (gasp!) more bureaucracy!
Do we really need more government interference? Can't we just let the Free Market (and a few armed border militia) handle immigration issues?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:41:03am |
re: #36 iceweasel
I plan to post that sporadically every so often. ;)
What's great is I got people here thinking I'm to the left of Marx, and on other forums, I'm the right-winger arguing with people who think 'OBAMA WAS BOUGHT OFF!!11 HALTH CARE IS RUINED!11"
Lovin' it :D
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:41:52am |
re: #37 ralphieboy
Can't we just let the Free Market (and a few armed border militia) handle immigration issues?
BLACKWATER!
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Three Hundred Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:43:15am |
Actually, no I don't, which is why I stopped visiting this site. It has become the dominion of Charle's desires in contributors and comments. As I said, 'echo chamber' and you are proving me right.
re: #32 WindUpBird
Yeah, guess you're just gonna have to suck on it, champ.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:43:35am |
re: #38 WindUpBird
What's great is I got people here thinking I'm to the left of Marx, and on other forums, I'm the right-winger arguing with people who think 'OBAMA WAS BOUGHT OFF!!11 HALTH CARE IS RUINED!11"
Lovin' it :D
Are you me? ;)
Yeah, I know that feeling.
Teh firebaggers bug me. (FDL type peeps who did as much as they could to tank HCR -- OH GAWD NO PUBLIC OPTION NOOOOO!)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:44:29am |
re: #41 Three Hundred
Actually, no I don't, which is why I stopped visiting this site.
FAIL.
How can we miss you when you don't go away?
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Three Hundred Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:46:27am |
I have gone ahead and reported my comment to the administrator to save you the trouble.
re: #43 iceweasel
FAIL.
How can we miss you when you don't go away?
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Lidane Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:47:30am |
re: #31 Three Hundred
re: #41 Three Hundred
Charles is on vacation and isn't obligated to post 618795115 times a day to please people. He's entitled to a real life away from here.
As far as the posts here, grow a pair, get a spine, and deal with it. Plenty of folks here on both the right and the left seem to tolerate things just fine. If you can't, that's a personal problem.
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Three Hundred Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:53:30am |
There has been a distinct and definite change in the tolerance and balance of comments in the past couple or so years. I can 'deal' just fine thank you vey much Doctor. But you are wrong on the balance here. I watched the comment response in real time after the vote of congress yesterday, and the 'dings' to the upside of comments in support of socialized medicine exceeded the other easily by a like 95%. Echo Chamber, deal with it.
re: #45 Lidane
re: #41 Three Hundred
Charles is on vacation and isn't obligated to post 618795115 times a day to please people. He's entitled to a real life away from here.
As far as the posts here, grow a pair, get a spine, and deal with it. Plenty of folks here on both the right and the left seem to tolerate things just fine. If you can't, that's a personal problem.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:53:57am |
re: #44 Three Hundred
I have gone ahead and reported my comment to the administrator to save you the trouble.
Do not go gentle into that good night-
Rage, RAGE, against the freakout of the right!
Rock on, rock on, teabaggers and more,
We'll mock on, get our snark on—you fret in vain!
You cast your teabags into the wind
We remind you: it's not '04 again.
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Three Hundred Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:58:46am |
Enuf time spent tonight on the deaf and dumb. It's late here in Hawaii. Good night all.
re: #47 iceweasel
Do not go gentle into that good night-
Rage, RAGE, against the freakout of the right!Rock on, rock on, teabaggers and more,
We'll mock on, get our snark on—you fret in vain!
You cast your teabags into the wind
We remind you: it's not '04 again.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:59:34am |
re: #46 Three Hundred
During the day there are usually a couple of hundred people logged in at any given time... and you think a handful of dings on any given comment makes some grand statement?
Dings do matter... when integrated over time.
And if you think Sunday's vote was "socialized medicine", then what of the previous government actions: prescription drug system instituted by the GOP under the previous President, or Medicaid, or Medicare, the funding of medical education by the government, mandated vaccines, or even the school lunch program? All have to do with health, paid for by taxes.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:05:01am |
re: #44 Three Hundred
I have gone ahead and reported my comment to the administrator to save you the trouble.
I am breathlessly awaiting your post on one of the stalker blogs about your heroic struggle to be heard here before you were "banned without cause"...sigh.
If you show up determined to flounce we can't stop you, nor will most even try, but frankly speaking it is kinda childish. I'll admit that the "slightly lefts" seem to outnumber the "slightly rights" here at present, however the "I'm in the middle so screw both your parties" is really the majority. We just don't always make enough noise to get noticed as much.
I could care effing less about the Democratic or the Republican party anymore, I just want whatever is the best result for the Country. Mostly nowadays that involves making a choice of the "lesser of two evils" and I dislike that too. But blind ideology and "party purity" gets you absolutely nowhere, that system is dead, it just hasn't started reeking enough yet for some folks to notice yet.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:05:01am |
re: #46 Three Hundred
Yunno, I pay no more attention to updings on this site than I do to a Fox news opinion poll...entirely selective and subjective responses.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:05:55am |
Wingnut glossary:
UPDATING OUR POLITICAL DICTIONARIES.... Josh Marshall had a very short item the other day that I've been meaning to mention. He was helping readers understand the new political "lexicon."
"Ramming it through": to vote on a bill.
It got me thinking about how we should all update our understandings of political terms that had fairly straightforward definitions up until fairly recently.
"Obstructionism," for example, only refers to Democratic minorities opposing Republican proposals.
"Tyranny" is found when an elected Democratic majority passes legislation that Republicans don't like.
"Reconciliation" describes a Senate process that Republicans are allowed to use to overcome Democratic "obstructionism."
"Terrorism" refers to acts of political violence committed by people who aren't white guys.
"Bipartisanship" is found when Democrats agree to pass Republican legislation.
"Big government" describes a dangerous phenomenon to be avoided, except in cases relating to reproductive rights or gays.
"Treason" refers to Democrats criticizing a Republican administration during a war.
"Patriotism" refers to Republicans criticizing a Democratic administration during a war.
"Fiscal responsibility" is a national priority related to keeping our deficit in check, which only applies when Republicans are in the minority.
"Parliamentarian" is a seemingly independent official on the Hill who Senate Republicans are allowed to fire when the GOP disapproves of his/her rulings.
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laZardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:07:51am |
I hope you're happy, conservatives.
ACORN folding due to money woes, scandal The scandal-plagued community activist group ACORN said Monday that it is disbanding because of financial problems. The decision comes six months after video footage emerged showing some ACORN workers giving tax tips to conservative activists posing as a pimp and prostitute.
SNIP
Actually, no, I don't.
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laZardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:10:03am |
Also, have to head home from internship place. Catch up with you guyz in a bit.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:11:43am |
re: #55 laZardo
Using gasoline to put around? I read where the Philippines is having a fuel crunch of some sort.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:18:04am |
re: #53 iceweasel
Love it :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:18:41am |
re: #52 ralphieboy
Yunno, I pay no more attention to updings on this site than I do to a Fox news opinion poll...entirely selective and subjective responses.
Updings are like faves on your art on Deviantart. It lets you know who's paying attention.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:18:42am |
re: #53 iceweasel
Supposed to be funny and it kinda is, but also too unfortunately true for real laughter. :(
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:19:41am |
re: #57 WindUpBird
Love it :D
I think it needs some additions. AND WE'RE JUST THE PEOPLE TO DO IT.
S'up, WUB? Bit feisty here myself. :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:20:55am |
re: #42 iceweasel
Are you me? ;)
Yeah, I know that feeling.Teh firebaggers bug me. (FDL type peeps who did as much as they could to tank HCR -- OH GAWD NO PUBLIC OPTION NOOO!)
I never visited the comments on FDL, I mostly deal with nerds in my fandom who don't understand politics. So it sorta hurts because these are people I occasionally cross RL paths with at cons and I just want to go "PLEASE STOP BEING UNREASONABLE JESUS GOD"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:21:12am |
re: #60 iceweasel
I think it needs some additions. AND WE'RE JUST THE PEOPLE TO DO IT.
S'up, WUB? Bit feisty here myself. :)
I am less feisty and more 4:20. *_*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:23:09am |
re: #60 iceweasel
But right now? Uhm, making weird art and listening to abstract electronic music full of found samples from the middle east.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:24:03am |
re: #61 WindUpBird
I never visited the comments on FDL, I mostly deal with nerds in my fandom who don't understand politics. So it sorta hurts because these are people I occasionally cross RL paths with at cons and I just want to go "PLEASE STOP BEING UNREASONABLE JESUS GOD"
Oh I wasn't even thinking of the comments on FDL (don't read em either) but the bloggers. Esp Jane.
Just shut up, some of you! Yikes. The whole 'let's tank this bill because it doesn't have a public option' thinking.
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:24:16am |
I'm at a distance here (New Zealand) but it seems a scary overlap between those obsessed with Evil Healthcare and those obsessed with stockpiling guns and ammunition. Where I grew up in Arizona, gun use was usually associated with wild animals or alcohol--or both. Now it seems a point of pride to keep guns to keep the gov't in line.
A gun-loving friend in Arizona wrote me that he's stockpiling because the gov't is bound to raise taxes on ammunition as a way to discourage gun use. Is anything like that in the works?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:26:45am |
re: #64 iceweasel
Oh I wasn't even thinking of the comments on FDL (don't read em either) but the bloggers. Esp Jane.
Just shut up, some of you! Yikes. The whole 'let's tank this bill because it doesn't have a public option' thinking.
It's the sort of thing that makes me feel like I'm in the Matrix and everyone else is in the normal world.
"Dear crazy liberals: This is human behavior, public policy when it's measured in the millions of people and trillions of dollars moves slowly in a country with 50 states all of which go ARGH at each other, let's all get a hold of ourselves and realize that you need a way into the game to change health care policy, and this is politics, Obama is a president, he's not Gandalf, he can't turn into a unicorn or levitate or pass through solid matter.:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:27:55am |
re: #65 Scriptorium
I'm at a distance here (New Zealand) but it seems a scary overlap between those obsessed with Evil Healthcare and those obsessed with stockpiling guns and ammunition. Where I grew up in Arizona, gun use was usually associated with wild animals or alcohol--or both. Now it seems a point of pride to keep guns to keep the gov't in line.
A gun-loving friend in Arizona wrote me that he's stockpiling because the gov't is bound to raise taxes on ammunition as a way to discourage gun use. Is anything like that in the works?
I lived with a friend from New Zealand for several years, and yeah, he never understood the crazy. :D
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:28:00am |
re: #54 laZardo
I hope you're happy, conservatives.
SNIP
Actually, no, I don't.
Well as the article notes several of the state affiliates just changed their names, so it will be business as usual in 2012 when Ronald McDonald, Daffy Duck, and Popeye the Sailor each vote for Obama's re-election one million times in the crucial swing states.
/
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:28:10am |
re: #65 Scriptorium
A gun-loving friend in Arizona wrote me that he's stockpiling because the gov't is bound to raise taxes on ammunition as a way to discourage gun use. Is anything like that in the works?
Nope. It's been a wingnut meme here in the US-- that Obama will take away our guns. Total bullshit-- Obama actually went back on a couple of campaign promises w/r/t gun control.
The wingnuts started stockpiling ammo in the runup to the 2008 election, which caused massive shortages. The shortages fueled wingnut paranoia.
You're right-- there is a scary overlap b/t the teabaggers and the ammo people.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:31:47am |
re: #68 ausador
I'd just like you to know I appreciate the economics knowledge from the last thread! I know just enough about economics and the housing market to know I know nothing, as the saying goes.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:32:49am |
re: #69 iceweasel
Nope. It's been a wingnut meme here in the US-- that Obama will take away our guns. Total bullshit-- Obama actually went back on a couple of campaign promises w/r/t gun control.
The wingnuts started stockpiling ammo in the runup to the 2008 election, which caused massive shortages. The shortages fueled wingnut paranoia.You're right-- there is a scary overlap b/t the teabaggers and the ammo people.
It's a personality overlap. They all have the same paranoid fantasies, the same lack of faith in their fellow man, the same tribalism, the same love of abstracts and hatred of specifics.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:36:39am |
re: #69 iceweasel
Nope. It's been a wingnut meme here in the US-- that Obama will take away our guns. Total bullshit-- Obama actually went back on a couple of campaign promises w/r/t gun control.
The wingnuts started stockpiling ammo in the runup to the 2008 election, which caused massive shortages. The shortages fueled wingnut paranoia.You're right-- there is a scary overlap b/t the teabaggers and the ammo people.
You didn't mention that the ammunition shortages also ramped up the prices, quite a lot in fact, so the whole "I'm buying ammo before the hypothetical new federal tax increase they might just pass someday kicks in" thing seems pretty futile and stupid.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:36:46am |
This must have been posted, but mmm, mmm, mmm, let's see it again:
HAHAHAHAH. Nancy Pelosi loves pissing off teabaggers. Here she is linking arms with John Lewis, just like in the Selma march, to remind America of how teabaggers chanted “n----r” at John Lewis fifteen times yesterday. And if anyone gets in her way, she will smash their skulls into sandhills of calcium with her Weapon, the “1965 Medicare gavel,” forged by ancient socialist hobbits in a distant epoch, as a paean to Thor.
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:38:11am |
Well, it's hard to know what to be obsessed about:
- Evil Healthcare
- Specter of Gun Control
- Slaughter of the zygotes (sorry about flippancy--know it's sensitive)
when we still have
- foreign wars and entanglements
- vulnerable ports, chemical and nuclear facilities
- teen pregnancy!
- Elites!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:38:15am |
re: #73 iceweasel
Forged by socialist hobbits!
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Lidane Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:38:19am |
*sigh*
Insomnia is a cruel, hateful mistress. Why does she torment me so? :(
re: #66 WindUpBird
Dear crazy liberals:
Obama is a president, he's not Gandalf, he can't turn into a unicorn or levitate or pass through solid matter.
I've been saying this since the 2008 primaries.
I like the guy. I voted for him. I'm also a pragmatist about what he can and will end up doing in office. I'll agree with some of it, disagree with other bits, and overall just try to muddle through the best I can like I do with every president in office.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:39:27am |
re: #74 Scriptorium
Well, it's hard to know what to be obsessed about:
- Evil Healthcare
- Specter of Gun Control
- Slaughter of the zygotes (sorry about flippancy--know it's sensitive)when we still have
- foreign wars and entanglements
- vulnerable ports, chemical and nuclear facilities
- teen pregnancy!
- Elites!
It's better to be obsessed about the ELISE: Image: Blue_Lotus_Elise_Series_2.JPG
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:40:52am |
re: #76 Lidane
*sigh*
Insomnia is a cruel, hateful mistress. Why does she torment me so? :(
I've been saying this since the 2008 primaries.
I like the guy. I voted for him. I'm also a pragmatist about what he can and will end up doing in office. I'll agree with some of it, disagree with other bits, and overall just try to muddle through the best I can like I do with every president in office.
We are on the same page! :D We might even be neighbors. "Hello preposition! I'm direct object! Did you see that Les Schwab tire ad below us?"
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:44:39am |
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:45:05am |
re: #71 WindUpBird
Speaking of faith and wingnuts, over on HotWingNuts' Green-snot room the latest entry is a pimping of Berlinski's book "The Deniable Darwin".
Nasty evolutionists - they are teh Evul.
Also posted in the Green-snot room Monday is another essay by RSM, in praise of Coulter in Canada facing up to the "thought police" that would want to prohibit her from "promoting hatred against any identifiable group [RSM boldfaced]".
Yeah, the thing RSM fears is someone stopping him from promoting hatred against any identifiable group.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:46:07am |
re: #74 Scriptorium
Well, it's hard to know what to be obsessed about:
- Evil Healthcare
- Specter of Gun Control
- Slaughter of the zygotes (sorry about flippancy--know it's sensitive)when we still have
- foreign wars and entanglements
- vulnerable ports, chemical and nuclear facilities
- teen pregnancy!
- Elites!
Next up : immigration. That's the next wingnut freakout and focus.
freetoken has been predicting that for quite a while; I think he's right.
It will hit all the same themes for the teabaggers: mah money iz goin 2 some1 else! Xenophobia! Fear of a Barack Planet!
Then there was the patriotic Texan from Texas who felt that people of means-- decent folk-- should be given more votes than drifters, whores, degenerates, criminals, atheists and indecent folk-- people without means.
Catch 22, Joseph Heller
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:46:34am |
re: #77 WindUpBird
It's better to be obsessed about the ELISE: [Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]
Oh. Wow. I could be unfaithful for that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:49:53am |
re: #82 Scriptorium
Oh. Wow. I could be unfaithful for that.
here's the fucking thing. If I keep my eyes open, they come on the market for a couple grand more than I paid for my current daily driver.
I'd roll around in a 1986 Celica if that was my other car!
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:50:12am |
re: #81 iceweasel
Next up : immigration. That's the next wingnut freakout and focus.
It will hit all the same themes for the teabaggers: mah money iz goin 2 some1 else! Xenophobia! Fear of a Barack Planet!
Well, first they need to make sure that there is at least enough gun control that 'illegals' can't go to gun shows and buy guns! That would cause havoc galore.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:51:54am |
At the sound of the snore, the time will be 5:50 am.
Goodnight/morning folks, I am off to bed.
(anyone else still remember calling the phone company to get the correct time in the days before the interwebotubeosphere evolved?)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:52:05am |
re: #80 freetoken
Yeah, the thing RSM fears is someone stopping him from promoting hatred against any identifiable group.
Don't know if it was already mentioned here, but the hate-o-sphere's response (RSM, Confederate Wankee, Riehl and others) to the teabaggers screaming the n word and gay slurs was"Oh yeah? TEH LIBS call us teabaggers, which is a GHEY thing, [ed. says: FAIL] so we can call Barney Frank what he is-- a f-----t."
Actual posts, not comments, by wingnuts on the right. Sick.
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:53:31am |
re: #83 WindUpBird
I'd roll around in a 1986 Celica if that was my other car!
Hey--that's a great car! I had one and roared around in it quite a bit going back and forth to work over the coastal range in northern Calif.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:55:47am |
re: #81 iceweasel
I think the President would rather tackle financial reform first. However, forces beyond his control, outside the Beltway as well as in Congress, may push immigration to the front of the line.
As I wrote downstairs somewhere, financial reform is probably a political winner for the President, and the GOP wouldn't want him to look too successful as the election approaches. As such the xenophobes will press on with immigration reduction/retribution, even though it will split the GOP. And, with plenty of immigrant rights groups pressuring the Dems at the same time (though for different reasons), it looks like the President might not be able to avoid it.
Immigration will be too hot for the President to look like a winner, I think. It's just a nasty hot button, as hot as healthcare but nastier, more mean-spirited.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:00:48am |
re: #87 Scriptorium
Hey--that's a great car! I had one and roared around in it quite a bit going back and forth to work over the coastal range in northern Calif.
I had one too! And then I ran it into a Suburban in a shopping mall. :(
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:03:19am |
re: #89 WindUpBird
I had one too! And then I ran it into a Suburban in a shopping mall. :(
I gave mine to my daughter. It lasted oh about 2 months before she creamed it on the Caldecott tunnel outside San Francisco. She and a friend walked away but the car was a twisted wreck.
Youth. Cars.
Something else to be obsessed about! Hey, it's big here in Christchurch. We have boy racers here raising hell. The driving age is 15 so you can imagine...
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:04:07am |
Good Morning Lizardkind!
Just a quick post before life intrudes.
What 300 fails to realize is that timing is everything. The beginning of the overnight thread is not a great time to roll in as a conservative if you don't know what you are getting into. If he rolled in mid-morning when the conservatives are posting from work, he'd find a different vibe.
I enjoy reading WUB, Ice and the rest of the overnighters' posts, especially when Gus and Ice start up on their 2 minutes of hate(tm)!
Seriously, you have to appreciate all the various opinions on the board, especially those that differ from your own.
PS, I heard Jeffrey Dahmer loved Blake poetry, so that one is now off-limits.
//
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Bubblehead II Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:05:05am |
re: #19 RadicalModerate
Morning Lizards. Don't know (yet) if this guy is a Tea Party supporter, but he is just as bad IMHO.
Reports Emerge of Vandalism At Democratic Offices
*snip*
"Blogger Michael B. Vanderboegh of Pinson, Alabama, told CNN Monday that in a Friday blog - which he says was posted after the incident at Slaughter's office - he called for people to break windows at Democratic headquarters at the city and county level. He said he didn't call for the damages to congressional offices because, "I didn't want to be responsible for anybody breaking a federal law."
However, "I can understand how someone can be frustrated enough to throw a brick through a congresswoman's window," Vanderboegh said.
He said he feels the health care bill is "unconstitutional and tyrannical."
"My answer is violence, by getting their attention," he said, adding, "If we can get across to the other side, that they are within inches of provoking a civil war in this country, then that's a good thing."
The crazy is getting worse and fools like this are fanning the flames.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:06:03am |
re: #88 freetoken
I think the President would rather tackle financial reform first. However, forces beyond his control, outside the Beltway as well as in Congress, may push immigration to the front of the line.
As I wrote downstairs somewhere, financial reform is probably a political winner for the President, and the GOP wouldn't want him to look too successful as the election approaches. As such the xenophobes will press on with immigration reduction/retribution, even though it will split the GOP. And, with plenty of immigrant rights groups pressuring the Dems at the same time (though for different reasons), it looks like the President might not be able to avoid it.
Immigration will be too hot for the President to look like a winner, I think. It's just a nasty hot button, as hot as healthcare but nastier, more mean-spirited.
I agree with all this. When I said immigration was 'next' I meant it was the logical place for the teabaggers to next channel their rage, and that I fully expect the GOP to exploit that-- partly for the reasons you mention.
It's the logical next focus for illogical nativist, revanchist, populist anger.
I keep linking Eco's old essay on Ur-Fascism, but only because it matters:
7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country.
This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the United States, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson's The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:08:08am |
re: #91 rwdflynavy
I enjoy reading WUB, Ice and the rest of the overnighters' posts, especially when Gus and Ice start up on their 2 minutes of hate(tm)!
Thanks. BTW, Is gus here? I don't think so.
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:09:13am |
re: #94 iceweasel
Thanks. BTW, Is gus here? I don't think so.
Actually, I couldn't sleep again because my neck and shoulder are killing me and happened to swing by to lurk. Only to come across that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:10:33am |
re: #95 Gus 802
Actually, I couldn't sleep again because my neck and shoulder are killing me and happened to swing by to lurk. Only to come across that.
Hey! Good to see you. Sorry about the neck and shoulder, though.
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:10:40am |
re: #94 iceweasel
Thanks. BTW, Is gus here? I don't think so.
And it's only been for a few days that I've been here. So I'm trying to figure out where this 2 minutes of hate are coming from.
The last time I was pointing out about some racist associations. That's hate?
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RadicalModerate Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:10:49am |
re: #86 iceweasel
Don't know if it was already mentioned here, but the hate-o-sphere's response (RSM, Confederate Wankee, Riehl and others) to the teabaggers screaming the n word and gay slurs was"Oh yeah? TEH LIBS call us teabaggers, which is a GHEY thing, [ed. says: FAIL] so we can call Barney Frank what he is-- a f---t."
Actual posts, not comments, by wingnuts on the right. Sick.
TEH LIBS only repeated - with knowing snickering- the identification that the teabaggers GAVE THEMSELVES (there's hundreds of pictures out there proving this). Is it our fault that the lunatic fringe of the rightwing never heard of Encyclopedia Dramatica?
/or Google, or Halo II for that matter?
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freetoken Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:11:09am |
re: #93 iceweasel
Yet immigration is the GOP's achilles heel. The free market, libertarian types are generally favorable of immigrants, but the nativists/paleocons are just the opposite.
If indeed immigration is promoted to the front of the line, the Tea Partiers will be throwing bricks at the windows of GOP politicians, not just Dems'.
It's also a difficult topic for the traditional Democratic coalition, though perhaps not as poisonously as for the GOP.
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:11:41am |
re: #91 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizardkind!
Just a quick post before life intrudes.
What 300 fails to realize is that timing is everything. The beginning of the overnight thread is not a great time to roll in as a conservative if you don't know what you are getting into. If he rolled in mid-morning when the conservatives are posting from work, he'd find a different vibe.
I enjoy reading WUB, Ice and the rest of the overnighters' posts, especially when Gus and Ice start up on their 2 minutes of hate(tm)!
Seriously, you have to appreciate all the various opinions on the board, especially those that differ from your own.
PS, I heard Jeffrey Dahmer loved Blake poetry, so that one is now off-limits.
//
What two minutes of hate?
Linky?
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:12:46am |
re: #97 Gus 802
And it's only been for a few days that I've been here. So I'm trying to figure out where this 2 minutes of hate are coming from.
The last time I was pointing out about some racist associations. That's hate?
A week or so ago you and Ice were going back and forth with everything that is wrong with America and i jumped in with a joke about the two minutes of hate. Just comedy folks!!
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:13:04am |
re: #96 iceweasel
Hey! Good to see you. Sorry about the neck and shoulder, though.
It's almost getting worse. Starting to wake me up.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:13:41am |
re: #97 Gus 802
And it's only been for a few days that I've been here. So I'm trying to figure out where this 2 minutes of hate are coming from.
The last time I was pointing out about some racist associations. That's hate?
I don't recall you or I ever engaging in a two minute hate. Or even a shorter or longer one.
The AM Wingnut Wave, on the other hand, engages in the ritual beating of a poster, preferably lib, every morning, to celebrate the sunrise.
The Old Ones among them whisper that if there is no ritual beating, a new thread won't rise....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:13:57am |
re: #90 Scriptorium
I gave mine to my daughter. It lasted oh about 2 months before she creamed it on the Caldecott tunnel outside San Francisco. She and a friend walked away but the car was a twisted wreck.
Youth. Cars.
Something else to be obsessed about! Hey, it's big here in Christchurch. We have boy racers here raising hell. The driving age is 15 so you can imagine...
I am basically a car dork, I have a turbo GTI now, which I already drive too fast in, but at least not where anyone can see. :D Somehow, I had a Firebird in high school. I don't know how my parents let that happen!
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:14:50am |
re: #101 rwdflynavy
A week or so ago you and Ice were going back and forth with everything that is wrong with America and i jumped in with a joke about the two minutes of hate. Just comedy folks!!
I don't recall Ice and me having a conversation about everything that is wrong with America. I do however remember you coming in making a so called joke about our conversation. You've done that several times in fact. However, I still don't recall anything approaching a conversation about everything that is wrong with America.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:15:32am |
re: #91 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizardkind!
Just a quick post before life intrudes.
What 300 fails to realize is that timing is everything. The beginning of the overnight thread is not a great time to roll in as a conservative if you don't know what you are getting into. If he rolled in mid-morning when the conservatives are posting from work, he'd find a different vibe.
I enjoy reading WUB, Ice and the rest of the overnighters' posts, especially when Gus and Ice start up on their 2 minutes of hate(tm)!
Seriously, you have to appreciate all the various opinions on the board, especially those that differ from your own.
PS, I heard Jeffrey Dahmer loved Blake poetry, so that one is now off-limits.
//
The opinions I have about heavy metal and cars... You think I'm venomous about POLITICS? you have NO IDEA :D
(seriously, what the fuck Toyota, make a decent car that's RWD and that doesn't look like a squashed jellybean)
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:16:30am |
re: #101 rwdflynavy
A week or so ago you and Ice were going back and forth with everything that is wrong with America and i jumped in with a joke about the two minutes of hate. Just comedy folks!!
And I don't recall me ever referring to you in any thread while you were absent. In fact, I never mentioned your name once behind your back or otherwise as you've done here above. That's not comedy.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:16:53am |
re: #105 Gus 802
I don't recall Ice and me having a conversation about everything that is wrong with America. I do however remember you coming in making a so called joke about our conversation. You've done that several times in fact. However, I still don't recall anything approaching a conversation about everything that is wrong with America.
You know what I recall? Rwdflynavy making multiple comments about us on the morning threads, complaining about how our overnight comments make the wingnuts in the morning cry.
Just joking, folks!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:17:06am |
re: #105 Gus 802
I don't recall Ice and me having a conversation about everything that is wrong with America. I do however remember you coming in making a so called joke about our conversation. You've done that several times in fact. However, I still don't recall anything approaching a conversation about everything that is wrong with America.
You know what's wrong with America?
The fact that there's speed limits on the freeways.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:17:44am |
re: #109 WindUpBird
You know what's wrong with America?
The fact that there's speed limits on the freeways.
I blame Bush.
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:18:53am |
re: #107 Gus 802
And I don't recall me ever referring to you in any thread while you were absent. In fact, I never mentioned your name once behind your back or otherwise as you've done here above. That's not comedy.
Geeze, I wasn't trying to post about you behind your back. Sorry you feel that way.
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Scriptorium Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:19:40am |
re: #104 WindUpBird
After my Celica I got a Subaru XT6--and that was the best car ev.
It finally died in Forks, Washington. The shop there couldn't fix it (couldn't quite diagnose it, couldn't get parts, etc.) so after about 6 days hanging out in Forks, I abandoned it. But I found an online Subaru club and a couple of guys in Wash. drove out there, put a fix on it, paid the shop costs, and drove it home to give to one of their mamas.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:19:48am |
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Lidane Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:20:05am |
re: #92 Bubblehead II
Morning Lizards. Don't know (yet) if this guy is a Tea Party supporter, but he is just as bad IMHO.
Reports Emerge of Vandalism At Democratic Offices
"My answer is violence, by getting their attention," he said, adding, "If we can get across to the other side, that they are within inches of provoking a civil war in this country, then that's a good thing."
*deep breath*
WE'RE NOT INCHES AWAY FROM A CIVIL WAR YOU IGNORANT DOUCHE. YOU'RE JUST PARANOID AND STUPID.
Sorry, had to vent there. Now I'm going to try to go back to bed. Later all! :)
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:20:39am |
re: #108 iceweasel
You know what I recall? Rwdflynavy making multiple comments about us on the morning threads, complaining about how our overnight comments make the wingnuts in the morning cry.
Just joking, folks!
People need to learn to take personal responsibility for their own comments and the comments of others. One would think. But then again you know how those "love fests" go. /
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:20:59am |
re: #112 Scriptorium
After my Celica I got a Subaru XT6--and that was the best car ev.
It finally died in Forks, Washington. The shop there couldn't fix it (couldn't quite diagnose it, couldn't get parts, etc.) so after about 6 days hanging out in Forks, I abandoned it. But I found an online Subaru club and a couple of guys in Wash. drove out there, put a fix on it, paid the shop costs, and drove it home to give to one of their mamas.
YES! The Xt6 is fucking nuts, it looked like a car fron Tron :D That's great that the Subaru gusy resurrected it. if I wasn't such a VW nerd, I'd probably have a WRX. Like those a lot. Like the STI even more *_*
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:21:11am |
re: #111 rwdflynavy
Geeze, I wasn't trying to post about you behind your back. Sorry you feel that way.
You may not have tried to do it-- you have done it.
And he doesn't 'feel that way'-- it's a fact that you've done it. To us both, more than once.
Just a joke, folks--just letting you know we're in on your joke.
Now everyone else is too.
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:22:17am |
re: #111 rwdflynavy
Geeze, I wasn't trying to post about you behind your back. Sorry you feel that way.
You said 2 minutes of hate. H-a-t-e. Yeah, I'm sorry I feel this way too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:22:18am |
re: #114 Lidane
*deep breath*
WE'RE NOT INCHES AWAY FROM A CIVIL WAR YOU IGNORANT DOUCHE. YOU'RE JUST PARANOID AND STUPID.
Sorry, had to vent there. Now I'm going to try to go back to bed. Later all! :)
It'd be a civil war the way a guy with a fly swatter versus a mosquito is a "homeowner tackling a home invader."
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:24:32am |
re: #115 Gus 802
People need to learn to take personal responsibility for their own comments and the comments of others. One would think. But then again you know how those "love fests" go. /
I believe the love fests end with a wingnut going Galt in his pants and crying "Not in the face!"
Or "Spoon!"
They are the battle cries.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:25:15am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:26:54am |
re: #98 RadicalModerate
TEH LIBS only repeated - with knowing snickering- the identification that the teabaggers GAVE THEMSELVES (there's hundreds of pictures out there proving this). Is it our fault that the lunatic fringe of the rightwing never heard of Encyclopedia Dramatica?
/or Google, or Halo II for that matter?
heh. yes. :)
I got many a beatdown here for using the word 'teabagger', and mocking the teabaggers for having chosen that word themselves.
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:28:26am |
re: #118 Gus 802
You said 2 minutes of hate. H-a-t-e. Yeah, I'm sorry I feel this way too.
Here's my original comment in question and Ice's response.
I apologize and won't use it again.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:32:08am |
re: #123 rwdflynavy
Here's my original comment in question and Ice's response.
I apologize and won't use it again.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
It'd have seemed more 'jokey' had you not kept on with it, often in our absence.
But thanks for the apology. Have a nice day. (not sarc, btw).
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:37:57am |
re: #121 WindUpBird
The Tick! :D
I hope you've been keeping up with the Venture Bros. ^_^
I haven't! Should I? (no teevee for me).
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:39:58am |
re: #120 iceweasel
Wow...my wife usually says the former before saying spoon.
Good...morning!!!
Wood!!
Try the halibut, or some crow with revisionist sauce.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:41:20am |
re: #38 WindUpBird
What's great is I got people here thinking I'm to the left of Marx, and on other forums, I'm the right-winger arguing with people who think 'OBAMA WAS BOUGHT OFF!!11 HALTH CARE IS RUINED!11"
Lovin' it :D
They're right. The only people not bought off in this whole deal are the people footing the bill.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:42:27am |
re: #126 iceweasel
Morning Ice, and yes you should. I'm surprised Jimmah isn't into the Venture Bros.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:45:16am |
re: #56 freetoken
Using gasoline to put around? I read where the Philippines is having a fuel crunch of some sort.
El Nino is causing power shortages but mainly down in Visayas and Mindanao where there are fewer dams and they're drying up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:46:54am |
re: #126 iceweasel
Hey, Ice. You met Jimmah back in Bhutan?
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:47:46am |
re: #125 iceweasel
It'd have seemed more 'jokey' had you not kept on with it, often in our absence.
But thanks for the apology. Have a nice day. (not sarc, btw).
I looked at that thread and it was all a result of the recent shooting by Amy Bishop. It morphed into other mass shooting including the one at Virginia Tech and into a comment that Gore Vidal once made about America being a death cult. Some free associating with some left wing themes.
Nothing too serious and it included a few musical interludes from the Dead Kennedys. I called Drudge something while pointing out that he linked to that puke Pat Buchanan and you caught me for the "comfort girl" comment. It was all an outgrowth of the the Amy Bishop shooting. The hate came later with another squabble. The real hate though usually gets deleted after the Lizard gets banned and blocked (i.e. the "220 lbs of death made flesh").
Anyway, I think I'm running a fever alongside this chronic neck pain.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:48:05am |
re: #106 WindUpBird
The opinions I have about heavy metal and cars... You think I'm venomous about POLITICS? you have NO IDEA :D
(seriously, what the fuck Toyota, make a decent car that's RWD and that doesn't look like a squashed jellybean)
Well, Daihatsu is technically a Toyota division, but if this car doesn't make you squee~
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:48:26am |
re: #129 RogueOne
Morning Ice, and yes you should. I'm surprised Jimmah isn't into the Venture Bros.
I think he might be, actually...Morning. :)
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Bubblehead II Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:51:30am |
Sipsey Street Irregulars Blog.
It's a Google Cache so as not to give them any traffic. But here is some major crazy over there.
Just out of curiosity, are the 3 percenters associated with the Tea Party people? The rhetoric sound about the same.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:51:39am |
re: #132 Gus 802
I looked at that thread and it was all a result of the recent shooting by Amy Bishop. It morphed into other mass shooting including the one at Virginia Tech and into a comment that Gore Vidal once made about America being a death cult. Some free associating with some left wing themes.
Nothing too serious and it included a few musical interludes from the Dead Kennedys. I called Drudge something while pointing out that he linked to that puke Pat Buchanan and you caught me for the "comfort girl" comment. It was all an outgrowth of the the Amy Bishop shooting. The hate came later with another squabble. The real hate though usually gets deleted after the Lizard gets banned and blocked (i.e. the "220 lbs of death made flesh").
Anyway, I think I'm running a fever alongside this chronic neck pain.
Crap-- drink liquids! Tylenol? What lowers a fever? Aspirin?
That isn't the thread with the Ramones too, is it? The JBS took my baby away?
I remember the death cult discussion though anyway. yeah, not an 'I hate america" discussion.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:53:51am |
Dave Wiegel of the Washington Independent, the guy who bought so many great Tea Party stories to the front is headed to WaPo. I guess it's balance when you hire an ass hat like Mark Thiessen and follow up with a class act like Weigel.
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:54:40am |
re: #136 iceweasel
Crap-- drink liquids! Tylenol? What lowers a fever? Aspirin?
That isn't the thread with the Ramones too, is it? The JBS took my baby away?
I remember the death cult discussion though anyway. yeah, not an 'I hate america" discussion.
I got some low dose aspirin now. Well, I had that for the pain and swelling. Tried the Advil and such. None of them really did much. But yeah, the low dose aspirin does the trick. Sometimes I think I get a little feverish after any of these wear off. I know I should see a doctor but you know that story.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:58:40am |
re: #137 Jeff In Ohio
Dave Wiegel of the Washington Independent, the guy who bought so many great Tea Party stories to the front is headed to WaPo. I guess it's balance when you hire an ass hat like Mark Thiessen and follow up with a class act like Weigel.
Pretty happy about that, and the WaPo did also hire Ezra, but they have a lot to make up for (letting Froomkin go, hiring Domenich briefly, etc.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:00:47am |
re: #133 lazardo
Well, Daihatsu is technically a Toyota division, but if this car doesn't make you squee~
More interested in the Lexus LFA myself :D
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:03:25am |
re: #140 iceweasel
Pretty happy about that, and the WaPo did also hire Ezra, but they have a lot to make up for (letting Froomkin go, hiring Domenich briefly, etc.)
I think WaPo is on a super secret commie mission by hiring the worst examples of conservatives and the best examples of progressives. Who next - Megan McCardle and Spencer Ackerman?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:05:05am |
re: #141 WindUpBird
Well, if that car's gas pedal sticks? Yer dun fer.
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Bubblehead II Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:05:50am |
re: #137 Jeff In Ohio
“As a blogger, he has more latitude than reporters to reach conclusions,” Brauchli said. “It’s inevitable we will employ more people who have that ability.”
And there is the money quote as to what is wrong with the MSM. Reporters are supposed to report the news and let the reader/viewer/listener reach their own conclusion. Bloggers (Charles, et-al) on the other hand post about the news and add their own views. Sadly, this is something that has been been forgotten by the MSM.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:06:15am |
re: #143 Jeff In Ohio
I think WaPo is on a super secret commie mission by hiring the worst examples of conservatives and the best examples of progressives. Who next - Megan McCardle and Spencer Ackerman?
Whoa now-- you know how I feel about McMegan, I think. Glibertarian Jane Galt.
Dang. Not sure I could wish her even on the WaPo....she kind of is right up their alley though, no? In some ways.
Shit, I bet they do hire her. Ugh.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:08:22am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, if that car's gas pedal sticks? Yer dun fer.
But at least it'll be fun all the way to the wall.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:10:49am |
Morning all...still basking in soshulist medical afterglow?
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:11:20am |
By the way, if someone wants popcorn, I have waaaayyy too much to eat...
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:13:02am |
re: #150 PT Barnum
Morning all...still basking in soshulist medical afterglow?
Yes. I was just sharing my neck pain with the Lizard collective. I do believe that neck pain is causing what one might call a medical afterglow and that indeed my neck might just in fact be red.
/
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:13:02am |
re: #146 iceweasel
Whoa now-- you know how I feel about McMegan, I think. Glibertarian Jane Galt.
Dang. Not sure I could wish her even on the WaPo...she kind of is right up their alley though, no? In some ways.Shit, I bet they do hire her. Ugh.
If it would keep me from tearing at the pages of The Atlantic...they could make it a twofer and include Caitlin Flanagan.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:13:11am |
I hate time change. It's usually sunny out by now. But, no.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:13:32am |
re: #150 PT Barnum
I'm still not sure exactly how this afterglow is supposed to affect me.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:14:18am |
re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate time change. It's usually sunny out by now. But, no.
Meh, I hate eating grits in the sun. Makes me feel...unnatural.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:15:40am |
re: #155 lazardo
I'm still not sure exactly how this afterglow is supposed to affect me.
It starts as a rash on your ass and spreads from there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:15:56am |
re: #157 Jeff In Ohio
Meh, I hate eating grits in the sun. Makes me feel...unnatural.
I was in LA once and went to breakfast. Ordered eggs and asked if they had grits. Waitress said, "What's a grit?" I got the hash browns.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:16:24am |
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Fearsome Ladies
The women who scare Castro.
Thirty women walking with gladiolas don't usually strike a frightening pose—unless you're the government in Cuba. Last Wednesday, the Castro government broke up such a peaceful march in Havana, lest the courage of the "ladies in white" become contagious.
This month marks the seventh anniversary of the "Black Spring," when Cuban state security rounded up scores of journalists, political dissidents, writers, poets and independent librarians that the regime decided were a threat to the revolution. Seventy-five of them received harsh prison sentences in summary trials.
Many of the wives, sisters and mothers of the prisoners have petitioned the government for improved prison conditions and their release. Dressed in white, they have highlighted their calls by walking each Sunday after Catholic Mass through the streets of Havana. In 2005, they were awarded the European parliament's Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought. The government has alternately ignored or harassed them, but the ladies march on.
Wednesday's procession—one of seven days of protest to mark the anniversary of the mass arrests—included the mother of Orlando Zapata Tamayo, the 42-year-old human rights activist who died in a Cuban prison last month. Reina Tamayo is becoming something of a national icon, and she described her Wednesday experience this way to the Cuban Democratic Directorate in Miami:
"They dragged me, I am all bruised. They beat me. They called me a [racial slur; she is black]. They will know this mother's pain. When I get to my home town of Banes in my home province of Holguin they will have to bury me with my son. But my people will remember me. They will remember me. . . . The Castro brothers cannot be forgiven. They cannot be forgiven." No wonder Fidel is afraid.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:17:35am |
Jeff, I saw this the other day and wondered if you had read it:
Beyond the Box Tops
By PAUL WESTERBERG
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:17:38am |
re: #153 Jeff In Ohio
If it would keep me from tearing at the pages of The Atlantic...they could make it a twofer and include Caitlin Flanagan.
Arrrgh, Flanagan!! gah.
We have to talk about her sometime. She and Christina Hoff-Summers were tops on my feminist shitlist, at least until Lori Gottlieb came along.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:18:46am |
re: #158 RogueOne
It starts as a rash on your ass and spreads from there.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:22:11am |
re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was in LA once and went to breakfast. Ordered eggs and asked if they had grits. Waitress said, "What's a grit?" I got the hash browns.
I'm guessing no polenta either.
I knew there was a reason I never go west of the Mississippi anymore.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:22:57am |
re: #162 iceweasel
Arrrgh, Flanagan!! gah.
We have to talk about her sometime. She and Christina Hoff-Summers were tops on my feminist shitlist, at least until Lori Gottlieb came along.
Well, I don’t feel old, but my eggs sure do! or Maybe this year I’ll marry Todd. I’m not getting any younger! The birthday girl smiles a bit too widely as she delivers these lines, and everyone laughs a little too hard for a little too long, not because we find these sentiments funny, but because we’re awkwardly acknowledging how unfunny they are.
Never marry a "todd" expecially if they spell their name "tod".
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SteveC Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:25:23am |
re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was in LA once and went to breakfast. Ordered eggs and asked if they had grits. Waitress said, "What's a grit?" I got the hash browns.
Conversely, my Boston Babe loves grits. Go figure.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:25:47am |
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:26:55am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
Reid might actually win if a 3rd party runs in Nevada.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:27:37am |
re: #161 RogueOne
Jeff, I saw this the other day and wondered if you had read it:
Beyond the Box Tops
By PAUL WESTERBERG[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Wow, I had not seen it. A Chilton obit by Paul Westerburg, sweet.
I was a big ...no HUGE Replacement's fan way back when.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:29:09am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
Where's the poll. Who has favorable ratings?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:29:14am |
re: #170 RogueOne
or he could come in 3rd.
IIRC, the TPers might run a candidate. That would split the "right" vote.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:29:42am |
re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where's the poll. Who has favorable ratings?
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:30:35am |
Here's the CBS poll:
Poll: Most Say Health Care Fight About Politics, Not Policy
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:31:04am |
re: #171 Jeff In Ohio
Wow, I had not seen it. A Chilton obit by Paul Westerburg, sweet.
I was a big ...no HUGE Replacement's fan way back when.
I have quite a bit of their stuff. Perfect for a mellow afternoon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:31:18am |
re: #165 RogueOne
Tod is the ruler of Planet Spengo. Marge wouldn't marry him.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:32:58am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
60% of both dems and repubs both said this was about politics not policy. That's what they'll remember when they go to vote, or not go, this november.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:33:39am |
Emperor Tod Spengo: On a scale of one-to-ten, in terms of... universe-dominating greatness, where would you place, say... oh, me?
General Afir: A ten sire, most definitely.
Emperor Tod Spengo: [musing] A ten? Hmmm...
[becoming more annoyed]
Emperor Tod Spengo: Well yes, of course a Ten. What else would you think? A six?
I'm a Jon Lovitz fan, yes I am.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:34:39am |
Morning...
Now they are predicting 9-16 inches of snow between this afternoon and tomorrow after for DENVER. Do you know how much that means for up here, at 8200 feet... probably close to 2 feet of snow in some areas.
Printemps in the Rockies.
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SteveC Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:36:48am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
Shoot, did you see the size of that gavel she was carrying when she walked into the Capitol Sunday? You don't need a high approval rating when you carry a hammer like that!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:38:16am |
re: #182 SteveC
Shoot, did you see the size of that gavel she was carrying when she walked into the Capitol Sunday? You don't need a high approval rating when you carry a hammer like that!
...in bed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:42:53am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
You know she's a member of the house, right? She only has to win election from her district.
her district.
Which loves her.
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SteveC Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:43:05am |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
...in bed.
Nancy: I'm the damn paterfamilias!
Everyone else: But you ain't bona fide!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:46:08am |
re: #179 RogueOne
60% of both dems and repubs both said this was about politics not policy. That's what they'll remember when they go to vote, or not go, this november.
So, the people who wanted health care reform to be MORE robust, and who thought the compromise away from the public option was politics?
They're going to vote Republican? ;-)
because that's where most of those 60% of dems are.
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:47:28am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
That's 11% unfavorable alone.
The numbers actually break down like this for Pelosi:
Unfavorable: 37%
Haven't heard enough: 36%
Undecided: 15%
Favorable: 11%
Don't know: 1%
If you add the "haven't heard enough" with the "undecided" and "don't know" you get a total of 53%. IOW, 53% probably have no idea who Nancy Pelosi is -- especially understandable if you've watched Jay Leno's "Man on the Street."
"Undecideds" and "haven't heard enough" with Reid adds up to 68%. Overall it looks like the majority have little or no opinion with either Reid or Pelosi.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:48:36am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:50:42am |
re: #186 WindUpBird
So, the people who wanted health care reform to be MORE robust, and who thought the compromise away from the public option was politics?
They're going to vote Republican? ;-)
because that's where most of those 60% of dems are.
No, they just won't take the time to go vote which is just as bad as voting for a repub. The side that lost will be wound up about it being "just politics" and take the time to go out and vote, the side that won may not feel the urge to go cast their vote all based on the same view.
RE: Pelosi. That's why I asked if anyone had seen any numbers from her district. I assume she's safe but I also assumed Daschle was safe in 2004.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:50:46am |
re: #188 Gus 802
If you add the "haven't heard enough" with the "undecided" and "don't know" you get a total of 53%. IOW, 53% probably have no idea who Nancy Pelosi is -- especially understandable if you've watched Jay Leno's "Man on the Street."
"Undecideds" and "haven't heard enough" with Reid adds up to 68%. Overall it looks like the majority have little or no opinion with either Reid or Pelosi.
We'll find out what their feelings are of health care in November.
I love following the race of personalities, it's a fun game, but it's not indicative of the nation's axis the way their feelings on major issues are.
All those people who couldn't pick Pelosi out of a lineup? They have anopinion about health care.
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:50:49am |
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:51:09am |
re: #167 RogueOne
Holy crap, the CBS poll has Pelosi at 11% favorable rating and Reid at 8%. Reid is a goner. Anyone know if her poll numbers are above 50% in her district? I've been going under the assumption she's safe but 11% national favorable rating is pathetic.
*cackle*
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:52:54am |
re: #188 Gus 802
I'd like to say I'm surprised the "unknown" number is so high especially after this whole last year, but I'm not. I'm cynical that way.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:53:27am |
re: #190 RogueOne
No, they just won't take the time to go vote which is just as bad as voting for a repub. The side that lost will be wound up about it being "just politics" and take the time to go out and vote, the side that won may not feel the urge to go cast their vote all based on the same view.
RE: Pelosi. That's why I asked if anyone had seen any numbers from her district. I assume she's safe but I also assumed Daschle was safe in 2004.
You can believe democrats will stay home in droves after their party passing the most significant health care legislation in about ever.
And you can also believe many other things which are unbelievable.
Republicans WILL pick up seats in November, the historical prescedent about guaratees it. But I don't know that it'll be much change, politically. The senate will move closer to 50/50, the House will still be solid dem.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:54:31am |
re: #194 RogueOne
I'd like to say I'm surprised the "unknown" number is so high especially after this whole last year, but I'm not. I'm cynical that way.
You're surprised that 50% of the population has better things to do than watch CNN all day?
I'm a political junkie, I love this stuff. But I am unusual.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:56:14am |
re: #194 RogueOne
I'd like to say I'm surprised the "unknown" number is so high especially after this whole last year, but I'm not. I'm cynical that way.
I don't think you need to be cynical. Just realize that many people have more pressing concerns in their lives that the abstract realm of politics.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:58:37am |
Work stuff. Later.
Now liberty in case you've forgotten is the souls right to breathe, and when he cannot take a long breath laws are girded too tight, without liberty man is a syncope...
I just quoted Matt Damon...
WHAT THE HELL?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:58:58am |
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:59:12am |
This is the only poll I can find on pelosi, released last month. Her numbers don't look good and they're trending down. The problem for republicans is the district is 50%+ "inclined" to vote for her over an unnamed republican and unnamed candidates usually poll better than named ones.
(PDF)
[Link: media.sacbee.com...]
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:59:26am |
re: #194 RogueOne
I'd like to say I'm surprised the "unknown" number is so high especially after this whole last year, but I'm not. I'm cynical that way.
The majority of people avoid politics for various reasons. The usual one I come across is this overall feeling that they find the news "depressing." You can go out to get some groceries and say something like "how about that Harry Reid" and get a blank stare in return.
Even people that might claim either a certain party loyalty will respond that way. It's not specific to either party loyalty and just a general tone of the people who are more interested in entertainment and/or sports. Which is not to say that those interests are a bad thing.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 4:59:39am |
re: #197 WindUpBird
Like sending you stuff via note on DeviantArt.
/you know, so people are paying attention. ;D
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:00:40am |
re: #196 WindUpBird
You're surprised that 50% of the population has better things to do than watch CNN all day?
I'm a political junkie, I love this stuff. But I am unusual.
You couldn't have turned on the news at all over the last year without seeing her face and the discussion over HCR. The populace doesn't have anything better to do, they're just too dumb to notice what's going on around them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:01:02am |
re: #200 RogueOne
This is the only poll I can find on pelosi, released last month. Her numbers don't look good and they're trending down. The problem for republicans is the district is 50%+ "inclined" to vote for her over an unnamed republican and unnamed candidates usually poll better than named ones.
(PDF)
[Link: media.sacbee.com...]
She could probably win re-election handily with a 45%. Her district won't flip unless she pulls her mask off and reveals she's actually Mumm-Ra, the antagonist of the Thundercats.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:02:56am |
re: #203 RogueOne
You couldn't have turned on the news at all over the last year without seeing her face and the discussion over HCR. The populace doesn't have anything better to do, they're just too dumb to notice what's going on around them.
And some people don't watch the news. If you don't think a single mother with two kids doesn't have about 275 better things to do than watch footage of CSPAN HCR debates, you are dreaming. :)
Fundamental attribution error. Look it up, because that's what you're aiming at people who don't recognize Pelosi.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:03:00am |
re: #204 WindUpBird
She could probably win re-election handily with a 45%. Her district won't flip unless she pulls her mask off and reveals she's actually Mumm-Ra, the antagonist of the Thundercats.
Wrong... she is Skelator...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:03:46am |
My radio just said when the President signs the HC bill today it will also make restaurants put calorie counts on their menus if said restaurant has 20 or more locations.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:04:23am |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
Wrong... she is Skelator...
[Link: images.oddlyspecific.com...]
You can't namecheck Skeletor on me, I owned those things growing up! :D
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:05:29am |
re: #208 WindUpBird
You can't namecheck Skeletor on me, I owned those things growing up! :D
What? Speak English?
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:05:39am |
re: #177 RogueOne
I have quite a bit of their stuff. Perfect for a mellow afternoon.
The Replacements? I'd seen that band probably 30 times between 1980 and 90. They were it for me, the last, truly great American rock band; fast and furious, telegraphing the heartbreak and tragedy they eventually found.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:07:48am |
What the hell? Glenn Greenwald and Matt Yglesias are both agreeing with me about this bill being a payoff to the Health care industry so I go to read Greenwald and his current post is:
The creepy tyranny of Canada's hate speech laws
[Link: www.salon.com...]
I've written many times before about the evils of "hate speech" laws that are prevalent in Canada and Europe -- people being fined, prosecuted and hauled before official tribunals for expressing political opinions which the State has prohibited and criminalized. I won't rehash those arguments here, but I do want to note a particularly creepy illustration of how these laws manifest. The far-right hatemonger Ann Coulter was invited by a campus conservative group to speak at the University of Ottawa, and the Vice Provost of that college sent Coulter a letter warning her that she may be subject to criminal prosecution if the views she expresses fall into the realm of prohibited viewpoints.....Personally, I think threatening someone with criminal prosecution for the political views they might express is quite "hateful." So, too, is anointing oneself the arbiter of what is and is not sufficiently "civilized discussion" to the point of using the force of criminal law to enforce it. If I were administering Canada's intrinsically subjective "hate speech" laws (and I never would), I'd consider prosecuting Provost Houle for this letter. The hubris required to believe that you can declare certain views so objectively hateful that they should be criminalized is astronomical; in so many eras, views that were most scorned by majorities ended up emerging as truth.
I'm going to have to start reading Glenn more often.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:08:24am |
re: #209 Walter L. Newton
What? Speak English?
Skeletor.
He-Man.
And the Masters of the Universe. A range of action figures by Mattel, produced in the 80s. Also an associated animated series produced by Filmation, which you linked to an image of. Sort of a magical medieval vibe, a bit of steampunk before it was cool. Castles, spells and tracked vehicles.
My brother and I, we had a lot of the toys. We had Castle Grayskull, we had the Horde Slime Pit. It was good times.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:09:05am |
re: #205 WindUpBird
And some people don't watch the news. If you don't think a single mother with two kids doesn't have about 275 better things to do than watch footage of CSPAN HCR debates, you are dreaming. :)
Fundamental attribution error. Look it up, because that's what you're aiming at people who don't recognize Pelosi.
They don't pay attention because they don't care and they don't care because they don't know and they don't know because they're stupid. Let's be realistic, half the people we run into on a daily basis are functionally retarded.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:10:04am |
Good morning my scaly friends. I woke up with pink eye. This is going to be a shitty day.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:11:22am |
re: #211 RogueOne
What the hell? Glenn Greenwald and Matt Yglesias are both agreeing with me about this bill being a payoff to the Health care industry so I go to read Greenwald and his current post is:
Well, no shit. I could have told you that. ;-)
it's just that an improvement in care and an improvement to the system, and a payoff to the health care industry, they're not mutually exclusive. Any more than a defense contractor getting rich off being well connected and the defense of our nation aren't mutually exclusive.
Does anyone here consider new weapon technology a payoff to defense contractors? Or do they just accept that this is how it's done?
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:11:28am |
BTW, my comment yesterday made the #1 bottom comment. I can feel the love.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:11:47am |
re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said when the President signs the HC bill today it will also make restaurants put calorie counts on their menus if said restaurant has 20 or more locations.
Are you motherfucking kidding me?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:11:49am |
re: #213 RogueOne
They don't pay attention because they don't care and they don't care because they don't know and they don't know because they're stupid. Let's be realistic, half the people we run into on a daily basis are functionally retarded.
Wow, damn dude. :D
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:12:08am |
re: #211 RogueOne
I know he's persona non grata around here for his sock puppetry, but being a sock doesn't negate the cogency of his reasoning.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:12:16am |
re: #215 WindUpBird
I think Nat'l defense is one of the few areas where the federal government has a constitutional role to play, unlike HC.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:13:03am |
re: #217 MandyManners
Are you motherfucking kidding me?
No. And if you go to Outback don't order the fries covered in cheese and bacon, served with Ranch dressing. It will kill you.:)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:13:10am |
re: #220 RogueOne
I think Nat'l defense is one of the few areas where the federal government has a constitutional role to play, unlike HC.
yeah, well, we can disagree.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:14:03am |
re: #216 RogueOne
BTW, my comment yesterday made the #1 bottom comment. I can feel the love.
I'm one of the evil ones.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:14:03am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. And if you go to Outback don't order the fries covered in cheese and bacon, served with Ranch dressing. It will kill you.:)
I always just got a beer, a steak, and the bloomin' onion. I don't even look at the menu :D
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:14:18am |
re: #211 RogueOne
What the hell? Glenn Greenwald and Matt Yglesias are both agreeing with me about this bill being a payoff to the Health care industry so I go to read Greenwald and his current post is:
The creepy tyranny of Canada's hate speech laws
[Link: www.salon.com...]I'm going to have to start reading Glenn more often.
I don't agree with him. Go to the state department website and look up the traveler information they have on countries all over the world. They highlight the political and legal predilections that each country has and even advises you if you should reconsider visiting that country.
It's their law, and he was advising Coulter, who has a record of blunt speech, that she may be in violation of the law.
Not much different than a hotel manager advising a music act known for trashing a place that they had better tread lightly.
No different than if I warned a bothersome relative that if they visit at Christmas, not to act out in my house.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:14:44am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. And if you go to Outback don't order the fries covered in cheese and bacon, served with Ranch dressing. It will kill you.:)
Yes, but how many calories is it?
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:14:54am |
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The Netanyahu Diaries: What Israel's prime minister really thinks.
The following note was discovered aboard the plane that brought Benjamin Netanyahu to Washington yesterday. It appears to be the Israeli prime minister's personal talking points—with deletions in brackets—for his meeting today with President Obama. Handwriting experts are unable to confirm the note's authenticity.
Good to see you again, Mr. President. [And thanks for not having me skulk out the side door like the last time I was here].
And congratulations on your big health care victory! Well done, Mr. President, on your historic achievement. As you probably know, we Israelis have a similar system, and it has worked out pretty well for decades [though our doctors don't labor under ruinous medmal premiums and the constant threat of tort bar annihilation and also we're a tiny country with a huge tax burden that drives one in nine people, including many doctors, to live abroad.]
Point is, we're a nice little liberal democracy, with women's rights and gay rights, and Arab Israelis and black Israelis in parliament, and welfare and universal health care. Even when we go to war we don't just carpet bomb our enemies, [like your hero Franklin Roosevelt did to the innocent civilians of Dresden and Tokyo]. I don't get why we rate most-hated-nation status from all those so-called progressives [wearing your face on their tee-shirts].
[Question to self: Why are the same people who erupt at the thought of prayer in school so often more in sympathy with Hamas in Gaza than with us?]
But on to more pressing matters. We've had a bad few weeks, your administration and mine. I'm glad we can talk them over face-to-face. As Hillary told me the other day [isn't she a charmer?], it takes a true friend to tell the hard truth. I'm sure you'll agree that in our friendship that works both ways.
I know that, from your part, you think the hard truth is that we've got to get out of the settlements. You don't have to sell me on that score. I've said repeatedly that we don't want to rule over the Palestinians; I'm all for a two-state solution in theory. It's the practice of it that's got me concerned. In fact, it's what got me elected.
So here's the first hard truth: Just as you've got your Ben Nelsons and Bart Stupaks, I've got my Avigdor Lieberman ultra-nationalists and Eli Yishai ultra-Orthodox. Some of them have ideological red lines; some of them just want stuff. That's how politics works. So what's my Cornhusker kickback, or my executive order on abortion funding? I'd welcome your ideas; [you're obviously good at this].
This brings me to the second hard truth, Mr. President: Most Israelis don't trust you, the way they trusted George W. Bush or [even] Bill Clinton. And let me tell you why that's a problem.
When my predecessor Arik Sharon pulled out of Gaza, he didn't do so through negotiations with the Palestinians. Those negotiations fail time and again, in part because the Palestinians figure they can hold out for more, in part because they're cutting their own deals with Hamas.
So what Sharon did was negotiate with you, the United States. And what he got was a promise, in writing, that the U.S. would not insist on a full withdrawal to the 1967 lines in any final settlement agreement.
My problem is that Hillary disavowed that promise last year, and you did so again by treating a neighborhood in Jerusalem as a "settlement." So when you pledge your commitment to Israel's everlasting security, how can we take your word for it, or know that your successor won't also renege? We don't want to wind up like Belgium before World War I, relying on phony guarantees of neutrality.
-cont-
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:14:59am |
re: #224 WindUpBird
I always just got a beer, a steak, and the bloomin' onion. I don't even look at the menu :D
A Bloomin' Onion has about 220 grams of fat.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:15:01am |
re: #212 WindUpBird
Skeletor.
He-Man.
And the Masters of the Universe. A range of action figures by Mattel, produced in the 80s. Also an associated animated series produced by Filmation, which you linked to an image of. Sort of a magical medieval vibe, a bit of steampunk before it was cool. Castles, spells and tracked vehicles.
My brother and I, we had a lot of the toys. We had Castle Grayskull, we had the Horde Slime Pit. It was good times.
SERVANTS of SATAN... aaagggghhhhh...
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:15:17am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. And if you go to Outback don't order the fries covered in cheese and bacon, served with Ranch dressing. It will kill you.:)
Yeah, well, so will running with scissors.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:15:18am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. And if you go to Outback don't order the fries covered in cheese and bacon, served with Ranch dressing. It will kill you.:)
They should put a warning sticker on the plate under the pile of smothered fries. "if you should feel your arteries hardening seek help immediately".
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:15:57am |
re: #223 Jeff In Ohio
I'm one of the evil ones.
I had obdi going nuts. Cracked me up, he's so easy sometimes.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:16:08am |
Mr. President, you need to start building some serious trust with Israelis if you mean to give me the political tools to negotiate with the Palestinians. Honestly, you didn't help yourself by ratcheting up the rhetoric against us the way you did. If your purpose was to show the Palestinians that you're going to play hardball with us, all you did was give them a reason to be even more uncompromising than before. And if your purpose was to try to drive me from office, it didn't work either: To Israelis, you came across not as anti-Bibi, but as anti-Israel.
But the hardest truth is that Israelis are losing faith that you'll do whatever it takes to stop Iran's nuclear bid. The sanctions you promise keep getting delayed and watered down. Hillary gave a fine speech at AIPAC yesterday, but we all know that you're already planning on containing a nuclear Iran. That's not acceptable to me.
Let's make a deal, Mr. President: Our settlements for your bombers. We can't fully destroy Iran's nuclear sites—but you can. You can't dismantle our settlements—but we can. We'll all come out the better for it, including the Palestinians. Think about it, Barack.
Write to bstephens@wsj.com
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:16:40am |
WOW...look at the incredible picture of the ice walls on Mars. Just beautiful.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:16:57am |
re: #225 Walter L. Newton
I don't agree with him. Go to the state department website and look up the traveler information they have on countries all over the world. They highlight the political and legal predilections that each country has and even advises you if you should reconsider visiting that country.
It's their law, and he was advising Coulter, who has a record of blunt speech, that she may be in violation of the law.
Not much different than a hotel manager advising a music act known for trashing a place that they had better tread lightly.
No different than if I warned a bothersome relative that if they visit at Christmas, not to act out in my house.
There's a weird hostility that some people have towards Canada, and it totally crosses party lines. Coulter also made a whole bunch of shitty statements about how the US should invade canada and how they're lucky we let them exist.
If Canada's version of David Duke, or some superleftist Canadian Tre Arrow/ALF freak came to speak in an American college, I think it'd be great if the college dean or whoever told him to watch his mouth.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:17:37am |
re: #227 Taqyia2Me
tl:dr
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:17:58am |
re: #225 Walter L. Newton
I don't agree with him. Go to the state department website and look up the traveler information they have on countries all over the world. They highlight the political and legal predilections that each country has and even advises you if you should reconsider visiting that country.
It's their law, and he was advising Coulter, who has a record of blunt speech, that she may be in violation of the law.
.....
It's their law and their right to enforce it how they see fit but we, as their neighbors to the south, should remind them daily about the value of free speech. We should enforce a penalty to countries that abuse what I consider a fundamental human right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:18:23am |
re: #229 Walter L. Newton
SERVANTS of SATAN... aaaggghhh...
They were cool! The slime pit had real slime. Real slime!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:18:32am |
re: #236 WindUpBird
A lefty speaking at a college would be welcome with open arms.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:19:05am |
re: #236 WindUpBird
If Canada's version of David Duke, or some superleftist Canadian Tre Arrow/ALF freak came to speak in an American college, I think it'd be great if the college dean or whoever told him to watch his mouth.
It depends on the college. Some colleges would embrace such a person.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:19:26am |
re: #238 RogueOne
It's their law and their right to enforce it how they see fit but we, as their neighbors to the south, should remind them daily about the value of free speech. We should enforce a penalty to countries that abuse what I consider a fundamental human right.
I'll ask you what I asked Brookly to no effect.
You really think we have the right to remind Canada of SHIT about free speech, when we have this? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I mean, seriously dude. The arrogance, it's ridiculous.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:19:59am |
re: #241 NJDhockeyfan
It depends on the college. Some colleges would embrace such a person.
Well, yeah, Bob Jones or Berkeley or whatever. But say it's a neutral college.
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SteveC Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:20:07am |
I just came in from my morning walk. Now I have not been walking very much over the last couple of months; the cold (and it is cold to me) makes it painful to move around. If I am cold I hurt in my bones and joints, but today it is nice outside so I went out to do my walk.
I cut it really short because I just couldn't go any more. Came back in I felt like my chest was in a vise blood was coming out of my nose and i was puking.
Dam this bum heart.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:21:25am |
re: #244 SteveC
I just came in from my morning walk. Now I have not been walking very much over the last couple of months; the cold (and it is cold to me) makes it painful to move around. If I am cold I hurt in my bones and joints, but today it is nice outside so I went out to do my walk.
I cut it really short because I just couldn't go any more. Came back in I felt like my chest was in a vise blood was coming out of my nose and i was puking.
Dam this bum heart.
SteveC, you continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:22:44am |
re: #237 WindUpBird
tl:dr
I think one needs a subscription but, for your needs, I will go back to just linking the op-eds in the future. Sorry.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:23:44am |
re: #242 WindUpBird
I'll ask you what I asked Brookly to no effect.
You really think we have the right to remind Canada of SHIT about free speech, when we have this? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I mean, seriously dude. The arrogance, it's ridiculous.
You're asking the wrong guy. Other than what the FCC is entitled to regulate OTA, obscenity laws are archaic. Isn't there a federal trial involving a porn producer going on currently? I seem to remember reading about it fairly recently.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:23:58am |
re: #246 Taqyia2Me
I'm just sayin' multiple page copypasta, it's not for me.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:24:44am |
re: #236 WindUpBird
There's a weird hostility that some people have towards Canada, and it totally crosses party lines. Coulter also made a whole bunch of shitty statements about how the US should invade canada and how they're lucky we let them exist.
If Canada's version of David Duke, or some superleftist Canadian Tre Arrow/ALF freak came to speak in an American college, I think it'd be great if the college dean or whoever told him to watch his mouth.
And you just step over the edge to hyperbole. All I was talking about is respecting the laws of another country. I've travelled enough overseas (and to Canada) to know better and to read up on the state department pages to get a general feel for what I need to be aware of.
Rogue One (nor myself) mentioned invading Canada. At least keep the debate with in the boundaries of what was mentioned, not what you start imagining.
Gee...
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:25:34am |
Rep. Paul Ryan needs to do something about his eddie munster haircut.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:25:45am |
re: #247 RogueOne
You're asking the wrong guy. Other than what the FCC is entitled to regulate OTA, obscenity laws are archaic. Isn't there a federal trial involving a porn producer going on currently? I seem to remember reading about it fairly recently.
What I'm saying is, we don't get to dis Canada about their dirty housekeeping when we're wallowing in mud in the living room. ;-)
We're not talking about the FCC. We're talking about free speech, period. They're archaic, and still enforced.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:27:28am |
WASHINGTON - "As the world faces monumental challenges, I know that Israel and America will face them together," said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, opening his speech before the American Israel Public Affairs committee Monday, after a meeting with US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton.
The prime minister reiterated his stance on construction in Jerusalem, and told his audience of some 8,000 pro-Israel activists, "The connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel cannot be denied. The connection between the Jewish people and Jerusalem cannot be denied.
The Jewish people were building Jerusalem 3,000 year ago and the Jewish people are building Jerusalem today. Jerusalem is not a settlement. It is our capital."
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:27:40am |
re: #251 WindUpBird
What I'm saying is, we don't get to dis Canada about their dirty housekeeping when we're wallowing in mud in the living room. ;-)
We're not talking about the FCC. We're talking about free speech, period. They're archaic, and still enforced.
So...we're not allowed to criticize another country till all of our problems are cleared up??
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:28:03am |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
And you just step over the edge to hyperbole. All I was talking about is respecting the laws of another country. I've travelled enough overseas (and to Canada) to know better and to read up on the state department pages to get a general feel for what I need to be aware of.
Rogue One (nor myself) mentioned invading Canada. At least keep the debate with in the boundaries of what was mentioned, not what you start imagining.
Gee...
You don't ever see any weird freaky we're-better-than-them hostility coming from Americans towards canada? Maybe I'm just lucky, but I see a lot of it.
And wait, what does RogueOne have to do with anything? I was referring to Glenn greenwald! he's the published guy and stuff.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:28:51am |
re: #253 Jeff In Ohio
So...we're not allowed to criticize another country till all of our problems are cleared up??
We're not allowed to be all HIGH AND FUCKING MIGHTY ABOUT HOW WE"RE A GREAT EXAMPLE when we're actually not a great example, we're a terrible example.
We're also not allowed to criticize other countries for having fat citizens. ;-)
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:29:23am |
re: #254 WindUpBird
You don't ever see any weird freaky we're-better-than-them hostility coming from Americans towards canada? Maybe I'm just lucky, but I see a lot of it.
They're not a real country anyhow~
/never watched the movie. ;_; just got the soundtrack.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:29:53am |
re: #256 lazardo
They're not a real country anyhow~
/never watched the movie. ;_; just got the soundtrack.
Take off, you hoser!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:30:03am |
re: #254 WindUpBird
You don't ever see any weird freaky we're-better-than-them hostility coming from Americans towards canada? Maybe I'm just lucky, but I see a lot of it.
And wait, what does RogueOne have to do with anything? I was referring to Glenn greenwald! he's the published guy and stuff.
You are just lucky. Here in one of the northern states that borders Canada, we make fun of the Canadians, but they also know we're totally joking. I don't think there's a person in the Minneapolis area that hasn't met and befriended a citizen of Canuckistan.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:30:44am |
re: #251 WindUpBird
What I'm saying is, we don't get to dis Canada about their dirty housekeeping when we're wallowing in mud in the living room. ;-)
We're not talking about the FCC. We're talking about free speech, period. They're archaic, and still enforced.
I see a difference between "obscenity" and "hate" speech. Hate speech falls much too closely to political speech for my tastes. People have a right to express their views on any subject without fear of government reprisals.
IMO, there are a few fundamental rights people hold and the free flow of political speech is one. I'm not just jumping on Canada here, for the most part the rest of the world has similar laws. This nation, for all its faults, is the one place you have a constitutional right to speak your mind. That ideal should be our #1 export, not disney and mcdonalds.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:31:06am |
re: #255 WindUpBird
We're not allowed to be all HIGH AND FUCKING MIGHTY ABOUT HOW WE"RE A GREAT EXAMPLE when we're actually not a great example, we're a terrible example.
We're also not allowed to criticize other countries for having fat citizens. ;-)
I guess I missed the high and mighty part. Did this move past Greenwald at some point?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:31:31am |
re: #255 WindUpBird
We're not allowed to be all HIGH AND FUCKING MIGHTY ABOUT HOW WE"RE A GREAT EXAMPLE when we're actually not a great example, we're a terrible example.
We're also not allowed to criticize other countries for having fat citizens. ;-)
Okay, so let me get this straight. We have the best free speech laws in the known universe, but because it's not ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PERFECT, we're not allowed to present ourselves as an example.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:32:19am |
re: #261 thedopefishlives
No. If your being high and mighty, then you have no right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:33:03am |
re: #258 thedopefishlives
You are just lucky. Here in one of the northern states that borders Canada, we make fun of the Canadians, but they also know we're totally joking. I don't think there's a person in the Minneapolis area that hasn't met and befriended a citizen of Canuckistan.
It's not a border thing, it's a weird ideology/nationalism political thing. Has nothign to do with the border, it's the opposite. I lived a moderate drive from the border, drove to vancouver all the time.
Maybe I notice it more because Canada kept getting brought up as political football in the HRc debate, since they're the closest country to us with a good HC system?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:33:06am |
re: #254 WindUpBird
You don't ever see any weird freaky we're-better-than-them hostility coming from Americans towards canada? Maybe I'm just lucky, but I see a lot of it.
Probably never. But that doesn't matter. There is a speech issues being discussed here, not whether someone likes Canada or not, or if we are better than Canada, except for YOU injecting that into the conversation, I've only seen talk about speech concepts between the two countries. Of course, it's easier to deflect.
And wait, what does RogueOne have to do with anything? I was referring to Glenn greenwald! he's the published guy and stuff.
Ok...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:33:51am |
re: #260 Jeff In Ohio
I guess I missed the high and mighty part. Did this move past Greenwald at some point?
here' I'll refresh your memory:
It's their law and their right to enforce it how they see fit but we, as their neighbors to the south, should remind them daily about the value of free speech. We should enforce a penalty to countries that abuse what I consider a fundamental human right.
This. This is stupid.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:35:01am |
re: #264 Walter L. Newton
Ok...
This isn't even that important to me. I was observing a phenomenon. Figured you'd seen it too. if you guys don't see it, hey cool! I'll drop it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:36:10am |
This on the other hand...
we, as their neighbors to the south, should remind them daily about the value of free speech.
WOW.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:36:25am |
re: #266 WindUpBird
This isn't even that important to me. I was observing a phenomenon. Figured you'd seen it too. if you guys don't see it, hey cool! I'll drop it.
You must hang around a lot of xenophobic people. Do they tend to clump together in SF?
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:36:28am |
re: #265 WindUpBird
Would it be to stupid if the penalty was spanking Celine Dion? Would that sweeten the pot?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:37:21am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:38:17am |
re: #268 Walter L. Newton
You must hang around a lot of xenophobic people. Do they tend to clump together in SF?
No, actually I watch cable television news and go on the internet, and observe the digital comings and goings of xenophobic people. I hang around with people who travel the world. One of them brought me back some Soju from South Korea. it was...not that great!
So yeah!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:38:44am |
re: #269 Jeff In Ohio
Would it be to stupid if the penalty was spanking Celine Dion? Would that sweeten the pot?
Doesn't she live in Vegas now? :D
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:38:46am |
re: #267 WindUpBird
This on the other hand...
WOW.
We should. Just like we should remind our other allies that jailing homosexuals is wrong and there should be a price to pay for it. People are born with certain fundamental rights and we should remind the world, and our own countrymen, of that on a daily basis. I don't see that as arrogant, I see that as sticking up for the individual.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:39:10am |
re: #271 WindUpBird
No, actually I watch cable television news and go on the internet, and observe the digital comings and goings of xenophobic people. I hang around with people who travel the world. One of them brought me back some Soju from South Korea. it was...not that great!
So yeah!
See, it's a Al Gores fault you hate Canadians.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:40:23am |
Would French Fires be more healthy if they weren't fried?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:40:35am |
re: #267 WindUpBird
This on the other hand...
WOW.
You may think it's stupid, but the Canadians have some pretty draconian laws in place with regard to copyright and patents, among other things. While I'm not condoning going up to Canada and being a perfect bitch in the name of free speech, that's not to say that there isn't room for some admonishment concerning their freedoms.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:40:59am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:41:20am |
re: #273 RogueOne
We should. Just like we should remind our other allies that jailing homosexuals is wrong and there should be a price to pay for it. People are born with certain fundamental rights and we should remind the world, and our own countrymen, of that on a daily basis. I don't see that as arrogant, I see that as sticking up for the individual.
The thing is, I believe they stick up for the individual better than we do. :) I believe we stick up for ideas better, they stick up for people better. if you're as willing to accept their criticism of us as quickly as you're willing to criticize them, then I have no problem!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:41:51am |
re: #276 thedopefishlives
You may think it's stupid, but the Canadians have some pretty draconian laws in place with regard to copyright and patents, among other things. While I'm not condoning going up to Canada and being a perfect bitch in the name of free speech, that's not to say that there isn't room for some admonishment concerning their freedoms.
There's plenty PLENTY of room for them to admonish us as well.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:42:23am |
re: #279 WindUpBird
There's plenty PLENTY of room for them to admonish us as well.
I never said there wasn't. I did say that our free speech laws are the best around, but that doesn't mean that they are anywhere near perfect.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:42:41am |
re: #278 WindUpBird
The thing is, I believe they stick up for the individual better than we do. :) I believe we stick up for ideas better, they stick up for people better. if you're as willing to accept their criticism of us as quickly as you're willing to criticize them, then I have no problem!
Their French is terrible.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:43:03am |
"They locked arms, because they wanted to compare themselves to the civil rights activists."
Benn Gleck talking about John Lewis and Nancy Pelosi. Who the fuck does John Lewis think he is, anyway?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:43:34am |
re: #280 thedopefishlives
I never said there wasn't. I did say that our free speech laws are the best around, but that doesn't mean that they are anywhere near perfect.
I wouldn't say best either. I think there are advantages to curtailing hate speech. I support our system, but it's not "better" any more than a turbo 4 is better than a naturally aspirated straight six. They do different things.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:44:27am |
re: #281 Walter L. Newton
Their French is terrible.
Thankfully, they don't export their french, just their beer, music and circus performers :D
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:46:10am |
re: #283 WindUpBird
I wouldn't say best either. I think there are advantages to curtailing hate speech. I support our system, but it's not "better" any more than a turbo 4 is better than a naturally aspirated straight six. They do different things.
Hate speech... ?
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurityof property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:47:29am |
re: #284 WindUpBird
Thankfully, they don't export their french, just their beer, music and circus performers :D
Ok... now I see where you are going with this... tell me about the wonderful spandex costumes on the Cirque De Soleil performers :)
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:50:00am |
The topic made me curious.
State of the World Freedom Index -2006 (Libertarian Site)
1 Estonia - 85.25/Individual Freedom Rank 5
2 Ireland - 83.34/Individual Freedom Rank 2
3 Canada - 82.34/Individual Freedom Rank 9
4 Switzerland - 82.33/Individual Freedom Rank 2
5 Iceland - 82.27/Individual Freedom Rank 2
6 Bahamas - 82.12/Individual Freedom Rank 1
7 United Kingdom - 81.96/Individual Freedom Rank 11
8 United States - 81.96/Individual Freedom Rank 19
9 Cyprus - 81.65/Individual Freedom Rank 12
10 New Zealand - 81.24/Individual Freedom Rank 6
2010 Index of Economic Freedom - Top 10 Countries (Heritage Foundation)
1 Hong Kong - 2010 89.7
2 Singapore - 2010 86.1
3 Australia - 2010 82.6
4 New Zealand - 2010 82.1
5 Ireland - 2010 81.3
6 Switzerland - 2010 81.1
7 Canada - 2010 80.4
8 United States - 2010 78.0
9 Denmark - 2010 77.9
10 Chile - 2010 77.2
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:54:23am |
Former Nazi hit man convicted over WWII murders
AACHEN, Germany – A German court on Tuesday convicted an 88-year-old of murdering three Dutch civilians as part of a Nazi hit squad during World War II, capping six decades of efforts to bring the former Waffen SS man to justice.
Heinrich Boere, number six on the Simon Wiesenthal Center's list of most-wanted Nazis, was given the maximum sentence of life in prison for the 1944 killings.
"These were murders that could hardly be outdone in terms of baseness and cowardice — beyond the respectability of any soldier," presiding judge Gerd Nohl said.
Boere sat in his wheelchair, staring at the floor and showing no visible reaction as the verdict was announced.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:57:17am |
re: #288 Gus 802
The topic made me curious.
State of the World Freedom Index -2006 (Libertarian Site)
1 Estonia - 85.25/Individual Freedom Rank 5
2 Ireland - 83.34/Individual Freedom Rank 2
3 Canada - 82.34/Individual Freedom Rank 9
4 Switzerland - 82.33/Individual Freedom Rank 2
5 Iceland - 82.27/Individual Freedom Rank 2
6 Bahamas - 82.12/Individual Freedom Rank 1
7 United Kingdom - 81.96/Individual Freedom Rank 11
8 United States - 81.96/Individual Freedom Rank 19
9 Cyprus - 81.65/Individual Freedom Rank 12
10 New Zealand - 81.24/Individual Freedom Rank 62010 Index of Economic Freedom - Top 10 Countries (Heritage Foundation)
1 Hong Kong - 2010 89.7
2 Singapore - 2010 86.1
3 Australia - 2010 82.6
4 New Zealand - 2010 82.1
5 Ireland - 2010 81.3
6 Switzerland - 2010 81.1
7 Canada - 2010 80.4
8 United States - 2010 78.0
9 Denmark - 2010 77.9
10 Chile - 2010 77.2
Wasn't expecting Australia so high on economic freedom!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:58:18am |
re: #287 Walter L. Newton
Ok... now I see where you are going with this... tell me about the wonderful spandex costumes on the Cirque De Soleil performers :)
They're pretty great *_*
I've seen O, Quidam, Alegria, and Varekai. it's really all about the people IN the costumes though...
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:59:18am |
re: #290 WindUpBird
If it was made AFTER Michael "VIDYA GAMES TEACH KIDS VIOLENCE" Atkinson stepped down as Attorney General, then I can understand.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:59:44am |
re: #288 Gus 802
Breakdown of categories and weights:
Since the indices had differing scales (for example, Freedom House uses 1 to indicate most free and 7 to indicate least free), the results from each index were sequenced on a scale of 100 to zero, from most to least free. Countries included in all four freedom indices were weighted as follows:Economic Freedom
Heritage/WSJ overall economic freedom Avg. 50%
Fraser/Cato overall economic freedom Avg. 50%Individual Freedom
Freedom House civil liberties average 45%
Freedom House political rights average 45%
Reporters without Borders freedom of the press average 10%
More on Freedom House:
[Link: www.freedomhouse.org...]
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:00:23am |
re: #290 WindUpBird
Wasn't expecting Australia so high on economic freedom!
Yeah. If you click on the country name at the link you can get their reasoning. This one is for Australia.
Australia’s economic freedom score is 82.6, making its economy the 3rd freest in the 2010 Index. Its overall score is unchanged from last year. Australia is ranked 3rd out of 41 countries in the Asia–Pacific region, and its score is well above the regional and world averages.
Sound macroeconomic policies and well-implemented structural reforms have allowed the Australian economy to weather the recent global financial and economic crisis better than many other advanced economies. Facilitated by robust supervision and sound regulation, Australia’s banks have coped well with the financial turmoil. Unemployment has been rising since the start of 2009 but remains well below the OECD average. With growth recovering, the government’s temporary stimulus measures are scheduled to phase out in 2010.
Overall, the Australian economy is well equipped in terms of its structural strength. Monetary stability and openness to global commerce continue to facilitate a competitive financial and investment environment based on market principles. A strong rule of law protects property rights, and corruption is perceived as minimal. Both foreign and domestically owned businesses enjoy considerable flexibility under licensing and regulatory schemes and in their employment practices. Measures to enhance public finance and maintain long-term fiscal sustainability are focused on achieving better efficiency and effectiveness.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:00:25am |
Sorry gus, bad blockquote. The portion I quoted is from the article you linked.
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Soap_Man Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:01:16am |
This is a drive-by comment, since I have to leave for work, but I felt I had to post it:
Harris Poll: 24 percent of GOP voters think Obama is the anti-christ
* 67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.
* 57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim
* 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"
* 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did"
* Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:01:27am |
acilitated by robust supervision and sound regulation, Australia’s banks have coped well with the financial turmoil.
The devil you say!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:01:58am |
re: #291 WindUpBird
They're pretty great *_*
I've seen O, Quidam, Alegria, and Varekai. it's really all about the people IN the costumes though...
I took my "new" step-critters to "Kazoo" in Denver last summer, they had never seen an installment of the show (I've seen many) and they were blown away.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:02:05am |
re: #296 Soap_Man
This is a drive-by comment, since I have to leave for work, but I felt I had to post it:
Harris Poll: 24 percent of GOP voters think Obama is the anti-christ
ahahahahahaha what a headline :D
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:02:12am |
re: #295 RogueOne
Sorry gus, bad blockquote. The portion I quoted is from the article you linked.
OK Had me worried for second. You know when you start linking you never know what you're going to get. ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:03:48am |
re: #298 Walter L. Newton
I took my "new" step-critters to "Kazoo" in Denver last summer, they had never seen an installment of the show (I've seen many) and they were blown away.
Do want! I got my parents into the Cirque too, now they're hooked. I want to go back to see the Beatles Cirque show in Vegas at some point.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:05:11am |
re: #301 WindUpBird
Do want! I got my parents into the Cirque too, now they're hooked. I want to go back to see the Beatles Cirque show in Vegas at some point.
BARF! I hate the Beatles.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:06:06am |
Well this is a relief...
Eating less meat won’t curb climate change: study
WASHINGTON - Eating less meat will not reduce global warming, and reports that claim it will are distracting society from finding real ways to beat climate change, a leading air quality expert said on Monday."We certainly can reduce our greenhouse gas production, but not by consuming less meat and milk," Frank Mitloehner, an air quality expert at the University of California-Davis, said as he presented a report on meat-eating and climate change at a conference of the American Chemical Society in California.
Blaming cows and pigs for climate change is scientifically inaccurate, said Mr. Mitloehner, dismissing several reports, including one issued in 2006 by the United Nations, which he said overstate the role that livestock play in global warming.
Cool! A steak sandwich & a milkshake sounds great for lunch today.
:-)
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simoom Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:06:10am |
re: #192 SixDegrees
Sorry - that link broke. Try this one.
Just a small nitpick -- that CNN poll was in the field from March 19-21, so prior to the passage of HCR. In line with that poll's results, the Gallup Daily tracking poll had the President receiving some of his worst numbers in the last couple of weeks, including a few days where the Approve/Disapprove was upside down.
Their polling, as of yesterday, had him back up to 50% approve, 43% disapprove:
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
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SixDegrees Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:08:42am |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
Would French Fires be more healthy if they weren't fried?
They're healthy either way. Fat isn't unhealthy; it's an essential nutrient that you cannot live without.
What's unhealthy is consuming more calories than what you expend. Not the basic nutritional ingredients themselves.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:10:58am |
Morning everyone.
I heard recently that Australia is a good place to invest in because of their economy and natural resources. My sister in law is planning to invest in some Australian fund or commodity.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:12:22am |
re: #288 Gus 802
I must remember to be careful of being trampled by the freedom-seeking throngs lined up outside the Estonian embassy.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:13:05am |
re: #300 Gus 802
OK Had me worried for second. You know when you start linking you never know what you're going to get. ;)
They have a great history. I'm not denying their assessment necessarily but I'd like to see their methodology. I'm not sure how they have Ireland with its restrictive abortion laws and hate speech codes (same with Canada) above the US in their Individual freedoms index.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:14:03am |
The company, which owns the Pepsi, Frito-Lay and Quaker brands, said it plans a reduction of 25 per cent the average sodium per serving in major global food brands in key markets by 2015.
It also would reduce the average saturated fat per serving by 15 percent by 2020, and cut the average added sugar per serving in key global beverage brands by 25 percent by 2020.
Meanwhile, it will increase whole grains, fruits and vegetables, nuts, seeds and low-fat dairy in its product portfolio.
If I wanted "health" food I'd eat a thinly sliced cucumber.
What's next? Häagen-Dazs is gonna' use only skim milk?
Fucking diet Nazis.
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simoom Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:15:18am |
re: #296 Soap_Man
This is a drive-by comment, since I have to leave for work, but I felt I had to post it:
Harris Poll: 24 percent of GOP voters think Obama is the anti-christ
* 67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.
* 57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim
* 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"
* 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did"
* Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."
Yikes. That number has more than doubled since the Presidential campaign:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
15 percent of voters think Obama is a Muslim. He is, in fact, a Christian.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:15:36am |
re: #309 MandyManners
If I wanted "health" food I'd eat a thinly sliced cucumber.
What's next? Häagen-Dazs is gonna' use only skim milk?
Fucking diet Nazis.
One of the movie distributor heads (Sony?) wants to replace popcorn with fruit at the movies.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:15:46am |
re: #308 RogueOne
Of course I could have just checked the link but that would have been too easy:
(PDF) Methodology
[Link: www.freedomhouse.org...]
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16:14am |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
One of the movie distributor heads (Sony?) wants to replace popcorn with fruit at the movies.
/fetches webcam to take picture and make cheap image meme of self as Movie Rage Boy
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16:15am |
Morning Lizards.
Just got up, having some coffee and crying over all the words the state won't let me say today.
We're horribly oppressed up here.
Sad state of affairs.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16:27am |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
Well this is a relief...
Eating less meat won’t curb climate change: study
Cool! A steak sandwich & a milkshake sounds great for lunch today.:-)
Climate change? Whatever happened to global warming? Can't those fucking idiots get it straight? Oh, well. Doesn't matter. WE'RE ALL GONNA' DIE.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16:42am |
Boy... they keep revising the weather forecast for Denver and the mountains... we're going to get dumped on big time by a big snow storm. It sounds like it's going to be a wetter, heavier snow than the 18 inches we had last week. Those kind of snows can bring down power lines up here in the mountains.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:17:01am |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
One of the movie distributor heads (Sony?) wants to replace popcorn with fruit at the movies.
*speechless*
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:18:37am |
re: #316 Walter L. Newton
Boy... they keep revising the weather forecast for Denver and the mountains... we're going to get dumped on big time by a big snow storm. It sounds like it's going to be a wetter, heavier snow than the 18 inches we had last week. Those kind of snows can bring down power lines up here in the mountains.
Don't forget to shake your tree's limbs!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:19:12am |
re: #318 MandyManners
Don't forget to shake your tree's limbs!
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
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Gus Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:19:22am |
Time to cook up some red meat and work and/or rest.
Later.
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Ericus58 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:21:05am |
So here's my real life encounter with a Canadian gal this past weekend in Vegas...
My son and I are on the moving sidewalk into Bally's when this gal comes right up to my back while we are just riding along with our drinks - just like a dozen or so others in front of us.
I turned to her and greeted her with a smile and a tip of my beer.
"You know, most people just standing would move to the right to let others pass them."
I looked ahead of us at all those just standing and motioned to her. "Well, we had the same thought but with everyone else ahead of us just enjoying themselves... we thought to do the same."
She sighed loudly. "This is why you Americans are the most hated in the world."
That comment got my son to turn around. "Actually, that would be the French according to most polls done around the world... why are you hating on us?"
"Oh sure" she replies. " I bet you've never even been outside your country."
"Oh oh... why did you go there" I thought, knowing the shitstorm about to blow...
My son took a second and then said "As a matter of fact, I just spent a week in Nicaragua helping a town start on some economic programs to better their lives and was welcomed by everyone I met there - had a great time and would go back... where have you been?"
About that time, we reached the end of the moving sidewalk and she gave a glare at my son and I and stormed off.
Too bad, my son didn't get to relate how in Toronto his Hockey team's equipment van was stolen during a tournament there....
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:21:07am |
re: #318 MandyManners
Don't forget to shake your tree's limbs!
Mandy... the trees on this property are all lodge pole pines... most are 30-40 feet high... the only way I could shake these things is to pilot a small single engine plane into the side of them.
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:21:19am |
Man Accuses Police Of Forceful Retaliation
[Link: wcco.com...]
Minneapolis Police are facing yet another claim of brutality, caught on tape.This latest case accuses two officers of racism. And there's a new twist to this one: The man who is now suing them said he was pulled over and roughed up in retaliation for reporting an earlier incident of excessive force.
Police pulled over Malcolm Labon on Sept. 8, 2006. The squad car's dashboard camera captured video of the arrest -- and it wasn't pretty.
.....
The arrest happened about a month after Labon made several 911 calls to complain about officers in the same squad -- No. 121. He told a dispatcher he saw them beating a man with a flashlight.
I'm sure it was pure coincidence.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:21:46am |
re: #315 MandyManners
Climate change? Whatever happened to global warming? Can't those fucking idiots get it straight? Oh, well. Doesn't matter. WE'RE ALL GONNA' DIE.
That's AGW if you don't mind, with a capital "A"!
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Ericus58 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:22:32am |
re: #301 WindUpBird
Do want! I got my parents into the Cirque too, now they're hooked. I want to go back to see the Beatles Cirque show in Vegas at some point.
Great show, hands down... a fun ride down memory lane.
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:23:45am |
re: #323 RogueOne
More from the SF lab:
Testimony: Crime Lab Didn't Investigate How DNA Samples Were Tainted
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:24:56am |
Excellent piece from Mark Steyn on why extensive social programs that work in smaller countries probably won't work for America.
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
I know some on the board will dismiss this piece because Steyn and Rush Limbaugh are on the same page in many ways. But anyone who does that will miss a good chance to learn something.
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:25:23am |
re: #315 MandyManners
Global warming refers to the fact that CO2 is increasing the average temperature of the earth. Climate change refers to the various climactic effects that this is causing.
Both terms have been used for a long time, but the Bush administration pushed 'climate change' over global warming because they felt it sounded less scary.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:25:33am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:25:54am |
re: #321 Ericus58
So here's my real life encounter with a Canadian gal this past weekend in Vegas...
My son and I are on the moving sidewalk into Bally's when this gal comes right up to my back while we are just riding along with our drinks - just like a dozen or so others in front of us.
I turned to her and greeted her with a smile and a tip of my beer."You know, most people just standing would move to the right to let others pass them."
I looked ahead of us at all those just standing and motioned to her. "Well, we had the same thought but with everyone else ahead of us just enjoying themselves... we thought to do the same."
She sighed loudly. "This is why you Americans are the most hated in the world."
That comment got my son to turn around. "Actually, that would be the French according to most polls done around the world... why are you hating on us?"
"Oh sure" she replies. " I bet you've never even been outside your country."
"Oh oh... why did you go there" I thought, knowing the shitstorm about to blow...
My son took a second and then said "As a matter of fact, I just spent a week in Nicaragua helping a town start on some economic programs to better their lives and was welcomed by everyone I met there - had a great time and would go back... where have you been?"
About that time, we reached the end of the moving sidewalk and she gave a glare at my son and I and stormed off.
Too bad, my son didn't get to relate how in Toronto his Hockey team's equipment van was stolen during a tournament there...
Probably an NDPer who just lost a pile of dough.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:26:23am |
re: #322 Walter L. Newton
Mandy... the trees on this property are all lodge pole pines... most are 30-40 feet high... the only way I could shake these things is to pilot a small single engine plane into the side of them.
Have fun!
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:26:44am |
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:28:40am |
re: #333 Spare O'Lake
Probably an NDPer who just lost a pile of dough.
Or just as likely a precious snowflake who would know sweet f all about politics and the world except the latest gossip from E Talk Tonight.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:30:09am |
re: #334 MandyManners
Have fun!
I will. I actually have a few hours of programming work to do for Kaiser today, so, I'm gonna sit in my home office, fire up the electric heater, turn on the radio and the ham radio scanner, and listen to all the fun as we get snowed in.
And hey, LOST is on tonight (it's LOST pizza Tuesday), what more could I ask for? (Well, a full time job would help, but what the heck... every day with you feet above ground is a fine day).
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:31:37am |
re: #333 Spare O'Lake
Probably an NDPer who just lost a pile of dough.
Are we allowed to use "narcissist" here? Might hurt the feewings of some Progs.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:32:14am |
re: #338 Walter L. Newton
I will. I actually have a few hours of programming work to do for Kaiser today, so, I'm gonna sit in my home office, fire up the electric heater, turn on the radio and the ham radio scanner, and listen to all the fun as we get snowed in.
And hey, LOST is on tonight (it's LOST pizza Tuesday), what more could I ask for? (Well, a full time job would help, but what the heck... every day with you feet above ground is a fine day).
Marvelous 'tude, dude.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:33:07am |
Back to the up thread discussion about speech laws, I think this Canadian newspaper article says it all for itself... well, the comments at the bottom speak for themselves...
Look at how many comments are pending review...
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
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RogueOne Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:35:00am |
re: #327 Obdicut
More from the SF lab:
Testimony: Crime Lab Didn't Investigate How DNA Samples Were Tainted
Shocker isn't it? For some reason they didn't care if the results were tainted, as long as they get to toss someone in jail they don't give a crap. This is why the Melendez-Diaz decision was so important. BTW, what a unusual grouping of judges for the right decision:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Justice Scalia delivered the opinion of the Court in which Stevens, Souter, Thomas, and Ginsburg, JJ., joined. Justice Thomas filed a concurring opinion. Justice Kennedy filed a dissenting opinion, in which Chief Justice Roberts and Breyer and Alito, JJ., joined.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:35:23am |
re: #321 Ericus58
The reason the French are the world's worst tourists is because, really, why would anybody want to leave? q:
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:35:35am |
I have always been curious about the makeup of people on this board. I think we need to be more diverse. Sometimes we THINK we're diverse because of political differences, but that doesn't make it so.
I'm off to the Doctor today for a mid year checkup ... gonna ask him his opinion of the new health care bill. He's a 50-something year old guy who is very sober and sensible. If he likes the bill, I'll share his positive feedback. If not, I'll share that too.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:35:36am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:38:00am |
re: #345 Cato the Elder
You have a petard? I thought you were female.
Females can have weapons.
Explosive ones, too.
Though it wouldn't be ladylike at all.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:38:22am |
re: #339 MandyManners
Are we allowed to use "narcissist" here? Might hurt the feewings of some Progs.
Whatever happened to "Excuse me please, may I get past."?
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:38:42am |
re: #344 _RememberTonyC
I have always been curious about the makeup of people on this board. I think we need to be more diverse. Sometimes we THINK we're diverse because of political differences, but that doesn't make it so.
I'm off to the Doctor today for a mid year checkup ... gonna ask him his opinion of the new health care bill. He's a 50-something year old guy who is very sober and sensible. If he likes the bill, I'll share his positive feedback. If not, I'll share that too.
Bare Minerals over a light layer of Creme de la Mer.
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MandyManners Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:39:02am |
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:39:34am |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
Females can have weapons.
Explosive ones, too.Though it wouldn't be ladylike at all.
Have you seen the ladies of the IDF?
Dangerous and beautiful..
/Good morning Reine
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:41:02am |
re: #350 HoosierHoops
Have you seen the ladies of the IDF?
Dangerous and beautiful..
/Good morning Reine
Mm-hmm, yes indeedy.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:41:50am |
re: #350 HoosierHoops
Have you seen the ladies of the IDF?
Dangerous and beautiful..
/Good morning Reine
Mornin', HH! Hope all is well with you.
gotta run to YOGA now, that liberal new-age-y eastern mystical stuff that isn't, apparently, all that liberal, new-age-y, eastern or mystical, according to someone at blog mockery (phrase shamelessly stolen from Wrenchwench).
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:45:30am |
re: #352 reine.de.tout
Mornin', HH! Hope all is well with you.
gotta run to YOGA now, that liberal new-age-y eastern mystical stuff that isn't, apparently, all that liberal, new-age-y, eastern or mystical, according to someone at blog mockery (phrase shamelessly stolen from Wrenchwench).
A lot of Athletes do Yoga for stretching...
I took Aikido in college for stretching exercises...
Coach told us it would be a good thing
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:45:36am |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
Females can have weapons.
Explosive ones, too.Though it wouldn't be ladylike at all.
A Darringer strapped to the thigh can be very ladylike.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:47:05am |
re: #355 Spare O'Lake
A Darringer strapped to the thigh can be very ladylike.
Until the guy starts thinking she's not a girl.
/and no, she's not happy to see you
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:47:37am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:48:03am |
re: #354 HoosierHoops
A lot of Athletes do Yoga for stretching...
I took Aikido in college for stretching exercises...
Coach told us it would be a good thing
When I was in Krav Maga we would end some of the classes with about 5 minutes of yoga. The poses they had use do (mostly standing) were like isometric strength training (you could really feel it in your muscles) and it was a good way to stretch at the end of the class.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:49:44am |
re: #356 lazardo
Until the guy starts thinking she's not a girl.
/and no, she's not happy to see you
Go to your room!
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:51:52am |
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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:52:22am |
re: #358 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yoga is likely the finest low impact way to improve the mind body connection. You have all heard of chi sometimes spelled ki? Apart from the mysticism, chi is the thing that connects will to muscle and organ. Growing that capacity helps you in surprising ways.
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Soap_Man Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:52:41am |
re: #310 simoom
Yikes. That number has more than doubled since the Presidential campaign:
As Charles would say, the craziness is being mainstreamed.
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lazardo Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:52:57am |
Due to internship it is now technically past my bedtime. O: Nighty.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:53:21am |
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:53:51am |
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:55:07am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:55:58am |
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:56:18am |
re: #362 Rightwingconspirator
Yoga is likely the finest low impact way to improve the mind body connection. You have all heard of chi sometimes spelled ki? Apart from the mysticism, chi is the thing that connects will to muscle and organ. Growing that capacity helps you in surprising ways.
You know..The breathing exercises really helped with Aikido also...
When you run up and down the court for 5 minutes full speed.Jumping, Stopping, passing and shooting...You'll find your lungs burning and legs going weak...Mind and body is greatly helped
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:57:14am |
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Slap Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:57:27am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:57:46am |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:58:03am |
re: #339 MandyManners
Are we allowed to use "narcissist" here? Might hurt the feewings of some Progs.
You might want to be careful. First, you're one of the biggest narcissists on this board. Second, "narcissist" is what Saint Rose of the Dead Blog has been labeling Charles lately.
In case you didn't know.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:59:16am |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
Damn son, how much do you weigh?!!
190. Of course, I also drink the much milder Mt. Dew as my poison of choice.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:59:45am |
How to write a paper in college/university.
So glad I didn't have the internet in college!
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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:59:58am |
re: #369 HoosierHoops
Oh yes. I can't prove it but I think we can program our spine a bit like our memory. I also believe we can take voluntary control of far more body/organ processes than we ordinarily think. That is how adepts do what they do. It's all more like breathing automatic or manual control. And why little kids are far more likely to become true masters than those who start later in life. IMHO
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Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:00:57am |
re: #362 Rightwingconspirator
Yoga is likely the finest low impact way to improve the mind body connection. You have all heard of chi sometimes spelled ki? Apart from the mysticism, chi is the thing that connects will to muscle and organ. Growing that capacity helps you in surprising ways.
In westernspeak, "chi" is called "neurotransmitters".
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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:01:05am |
re: #367 The Sanity Inspector
Heh. Only one, if it makes me angrily shoot my mouth off at the "wrong person". :)>
BBL off to work.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:01:33am |
re: #374 thedopefishlives
190. Of course, I also drink the much milder Mt. Dew as my poison of choice.
I drink 1 pepsi a day. Then beer at night.:)
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:02:45am |
The 12 Biggest Ripoffs In America.
e.g., movie popcorn costs more per ounce than filet mignon.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:05:26am |
re: #376 Rightwingconspirator
Oh yes. I can't prove it but I think we can program our spine a bit like our memory. I also believe we can take voluntary control of far more body/organ processes than we ordinarily think. That is how adepts do what they do. It's all more like breathing automatic or manual control. And why little kids are far more likely to become true masters than those who start later in life. IMHO
You know a very hard exercise?
Go to a wall...Sit down pretending you are in a chair with your back against the wall.. Hold it.. If you make it for more than 1 minute without tears call me..
The pain burns in the legs.. Bad...
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:05:41am |
re: #331 HoosierHoops
Great Story!
Since we're sharing here's my favourite visiting American story.
So I'm sitting on a chairlift, it's a big mountain so the ride is about fifteen minutes long. The guy next to me starts chatting, typical small talk, where are you from, enjoying the mountain today yadda yadda. The guy is young maybe young 20s. He from the US somewhere and says it's his first visit to Canada. He says he really likes it but probably won't be back. So I ask why?
"Cause you guys won't let me bring my gun and carry it around."
So I'm thinking to myself 'oh boy, this is not a conversation I want to continue when stuck for another 10 mins.' So I just nod 'uh huh' and it's eyes forward.
He's not stopping though, " And yeah so I'm here right now and I have no way to protect myself and I can't believe how much you guys stifle freedom. Doesn't it bother you that you can't carry a gun around?"
"No not really. I don't typically worry about gunfights while snowboarding. I hope you realize that Canadians do actually have guns. Millions of them actually" (There were three in house I was living in at the time because I lived with some hunters)
"Well sure but you CAN'T CARRY them around! What's your problem?" He's starting to get real agitated and worked up and I'm just wishing the chair would go faster.
"Well I don't personally have a problem cause I personally have no interest in carrying a gun around"
"Well that just shows how stupid and brainwashed you are. Fuckin Canadians, don't know shit. I bet if I pulled out my gun you'd wish you had one too. But no you guys are just a bunch of wimps."
So now I'm getting pretty mad and little concerned about this guys stability. For a moment I though this guy must be playing with me, but no he was being serious. I said as calmly as possible, "Fine you have your view I have mine. This conversation is over." Eyes go forward. Only five more minutes.
He's not done. "You know our military could wipe your country out if we felt like it. Ha ha" The dude thought this was hysterical for some reason and started making bomb and gun noises.
OMG Freak! 2 more minutes. Get me the hell off of this chair. I'm about ready to shove him off myself. He went on a bit about military stuff, which I just ignored. Finally we reached the top but as we went done the ramp he turned, made a gun gesture with his finger and play acted shooting me. "Just remember that. Ha ha".
So yeah there's my favourite visitor story. Of course I in no way consider that an example of all Americans. What a flippin freak though.
Yeesh. I can tell you though I was damn glad that he personally wasn't allowed to carry his gun around in Canada. :)
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Ericus58 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:07:06am |
re: #347 Spare O'Lake
Whatever happened to "Excuse me please, may I get past."?
The amount of peeps just ahead of us relaxing would have been an obvious clue to most that forging ahead was futile and that drinking was way funner than having a scene...
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:12:36am |
re: #382 Jadespring
Wow! What a redneck! You see some of those boys in pickup trucks, Gun racks and empty beer cans in the back in Indiana...
Lucky for me...I've haven't been here long enough to become a true Hoosier and Redneck..
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theheat Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:17:53am |
re: #382 Jadespring
I'd lay money if the opportunity revealed itself, he suffers from a small penis. Sadly, all that bravado and badassness doesn't compensate for the fact guys like this can't keep the ladies.
But he sounds like Michele Bachmann's dream date, if she was looking.
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simoom Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:20:28am |
re: #363 Soap_Man
As Charles would say, the craziness is being mainstreamed.
I finally had a moment to read the article that goes with the polling you quoted. 'Sounds like there's more to come tomorrow:
The full results of the poll, which will be released in greater detail tomorrow, are even more frightening: including news that high percentages of Republicans—and Americans overall—believe that President Obama is "racist," "anti-American" "wants the terrorists to win" and "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government." The "Hatriot" belief that Obama is a "domestic enemy" as set forth in the Constitution is also widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come.
Scary stuff.
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:22:14am |
re: #384 HoosierHoops
Wow! What a redneck! You see some of those boys in pickup trucks, Gun racks and empty beer cans in the back in Indiana...
Lucky for me...I've haven't been here long enough to become a true Hoosier and Redneck..
Yeah I suppose redneck would be a good descriptor. I actually felt pretty sorry for the guy (once I wasn't trapped) because he really seemed stressed and fearful at not being able to have his gun. That's where most of his bravado seemed to come from. I would personally hate to live in a mindset like that. I don't have a problem with guns. I don't have one myself but have been shooting on several occasions.
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:25:46am |
re: #385 theheat
I'd lay money if the opportunity revealed itself, he suffers from a small penis. Sadly, all that bravado and badassness doesn't compensate for the fact guys like this can't keep the ladies.
But he sounds like Michele Bachmann's dream date, if she was looking.
Ha ha. If I hadn't been trapped on the chair and concerned that any mocking would have escalated into something where there wasn't an escape I may have done some mocking along those lines. I considered it, there was so much I could have said. I held my tongue though because I didn't want the guy to go completely off.
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theheat Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:34:08am |
re: #388 Jadespring
They live for confrontation, so long as they can defend their position with tiresome and thoroughly debunked badass pseudo patriot hillbilly bullshit talking points. Typically, they don't waste energy or brainwaves on facts, nor can they debate beyond physical intimidation.
It's people like this that give regular gun owners a bad rap, and one of the reasons Americans are often stereotyped as lowbrow guns a'blazin' cowboys. I assure you, it's a piss poor stereotype. But you probably already know this.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:38:38am |
re: #388 Jadespring
Ha ha. If I hadn't been trapped on the chair and concerned that any mocking would have escalated into something where there wasn't an escape I may have done some mocking along those lines. I considered it, there was so much I could have said. I held my tongue though because I didn't want the guy to go completely off.
I was on an elevator at a Bruce Springsteen Concert in the 80's once.
We had a crazy kid riding with us that was just drunk and nuts and scaring everybody.. People were wide eyed and terrified..You could see it in their eyes. The Elevator stopped at some floor and I pushed him out..Which really pissed him off..He started to jump back on and I faced him off..You come back in I'll kick your motherfucking ass right now.. The door closed slowly as he stood there shaking in fury..
Nobody appreciated me in the elevator.. They were terrified of that kid.
I wasn't.. Should have seen them scatter when we reached our floor...
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:38:46am |
re: #382 Jadespring
Since we're sharing here's my favourite visiting American story.
So I'm sitting on a chairlift, it's a big mountain so the ride is about fifteen minutes long. The guy next to me starts chatting, typical small talk, where are you from, enjoying the mountain today yadda yadda. The guy is young maybe young 20s. He from the US somewhere and says it's his first visit to Canada. He says he really likes it but probably won't be back. So I ask why?
"Cause you guys won't let me bring my gun and carry it around."
So I'm thinking to myself 'oh boy, this is not a conversation I want to continue when stuck for another 10 mins.' So I just nod 'uh huh' and it's eyes forward.
He's not stopping though, " And yeah so I'm here right now and I have no way to protect myself and I can't believe how much you guys stifle freedom. Doesn't it bother you that you can't carry a gun around?"
"No not really. I don't typically worry about gunfights while snowboarding. I hope you realize that Canadians do actually have guns. Millions of them actually" (There were three in house I was living in at the time because I lived with some hunters)
"Well sure but you CAN'T CARRY them around! What's your problem?" He's starting to get real agitated and worked up and I'm just wishing the chair would go faster.
"Well I don't personally have a problem cause I personally have no interest in carrying a gun around"
"Well that just shows how stupid and brainwashed you are. Fuckin Canadians, don't know shit. I bet if I pulled out my gun you'd wish you had one too. But no you guys are just a bunch of wimps."
So now I'm getting pretty mad and little concerned about this guys stability. For a moment I though this guy must be playing with me, but no he was being serious. I said as calmly as possible, "Fine you have your view I have mine. This conversation is over." Eyes go forward. Only five more minutes.
He's not done. "You know our military could wipe your country out if we felt like it. Ha ha" The dude thought this was hysterical for some reason and started making bomb and gun noises.
OMG Freak! 2 more minutes. Get me the hell off of this chair. I'm about ready to shove him off myself. He went on a bit about military stuff, which I just ignored. Finally we reached the top but as we went done the ramp he turned, made a gun gesture with his finger and play acted shooting me. "Just remember that. Ha ha".
So yeah there's my favourite visitor story. Of course I in no way consider that an example of all Americans. What a flippin freak though.
Yeesh. I can tell you though I was damn glad that he personally wasn't allowed to carry his gun around in Canada. :)
Good Morning JS, I can't help but reply to this affront that was handed to you on the subject of this "Cowboy" for obviously he is from a redneck area of our country. I, as a certified firearms instructor and a competitive speed shooter, do humbly apologize for the poor attitude of a fellow American. Anyone who has a brain in his head knows you don't say and do things that this idiot did and if I knew who this person was I'd give him a piece of my mind! I am truly sorry you had that experience, please note that not all American that carry guns on a regular basis feel the same way and this guy id unbalanced and should loose his guns permanently just for treating you this way. I am also personally glad he was not allowed to carry his gun in Canada, he should never be allowed to carry one again in my book.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:40:42am |
Good Morning Everyone and Happy Tuesday to you all! I hope everyone is well this morning, my headache seems to have abated for the moment, and hopefully my posts will make more sense than yesterday!
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simoom Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:42:18am |
re: #92 Bubblehead II
Morning Lizards. Don't know (yet) if this guy is a Tea Party supporter, but he is just as bad IMHO.
Related:
Health Care Reform Leads to Threats
The same day a brick crashed through her Niagara Falls office, Rep. Louise Slaughter (D) says her staff discovered an assassination threat aimed at her family members. The Democratic headquarters in Rochester was also targeted.No one was inside when the brick was hurled through the Democratic Patry Headquarters on University Avenue. Attached was a note quoting conservative Barry Goldwater: “Exremism [sic] in defense of liberty is no vice”.
The note was the only clue -- until now.
“I’m advocating broken windows. I’m advocating vandalism," says Mike Vanderboegh. We spoke to him by phone from his home in Pinson, Alabama.
Vanderboegh is referring to his blog called Sipsey Street Irregulars. He says his invitation to “break windows…break them now” is behind the incident in Rochester and at least two others in Tucson and Kansas. The message to Democrats should be clear.
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention," he says.
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:44:34am |
re: #389 theheat
They live for confrontation, so long as they can defend their position with tiresome and thoroughly debunked badass pseudo patriot hillbilly bullshit talking points. Typically, they don't waste energy or brainwaves on facts, nor can they debate beyond physical intimidation.
It's people like this that give regular gun owners a bad rap, and one of the reasons Americans are often stereotyped as lowbrow guns a'blazin' cowboys. I assure you, it's a piss poor stereotype. But you probably already know this.
I do realize it's a stereotype and not an example of the norm. In fact at the bar later that day we had a good laugh at how I actually met a real live stereotype. No one thought it was typical because we know better.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:49:29am |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
Would French Fires be more healthy if they weren't fried?
Enfume' l'ours ne dit que vous pouvez prévenir les feux de français
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:50:29am |
re: #395 oaktree
Enfume' l'ours ne dit que vous pouvez prévenir les feux de français
If I spoke french I'd reply in the same but I will upding you for the thought! :-)
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:55:29am |
re: #391 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning JS, I can't help but reply to this affront that was handed to you on the subject of this "Cowboy" for obviously he is from a redneck area of our country. I, as a certified firearms instructor and a competitive speed shooter, do humbly apologize for the poor attitude of a fellow American. Anyone who has a brain in his head knows you don't say and do things that this idiot did and if I knew who this person was I'd give him a piece of my mind! I am truly sorry you had that experience, please note that not all American that carry guns on a regular basis feel the same way and this guy id unbalanced and should loose his guns permanently just for treating you this way. I am also personally glad he was not allowed to carry his gun in Canada, he should never be allowed to carry one again in my book.
Thanks for the apology it's appreciated but not necessary. Sometimes people just stink no matter where they come from. Just like the story about the Canadian in Vegas, some people are just rude and ignorant. At the time I was living and working in this international resort where thousands of Americans came through. The majority of the people I taught were from the US so I had more then enough experience to compare him too. They weren't anything like this guy nor would I expect them to be and yeah I agree he did seem really unbalanced. Of course the hundreds of other stories I could tell about American visitors would be pretty boring to relate. It's the nutty ones of course that stick out and make a good yarn.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:55:33am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:58:55am |
re: #396 Dragon_Lady
I don't speak it either. :)
Just used Google Translate and suspect that I totally butchered the grammar. Cato will probably be along shortly to tell me how badly.
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Jadespring Tue, Mar 23, 2010 8:07:01am |
re: #397 Jadespring
I should add that just as I have a favourite nutty American visitor story I could also tell a nutty British, Indonesian, German, Japanese, Korean, Aussie, Kiwi, Italian (that's a REALLY good one) and probably a few other nationalities, visitor stories as well. Nuttiness crosses borders. :D
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Donna Ballard Tue, Mar 23, 2010 8:16:35am |
re: #400 Jadespring
I should add that just as I have a favourite nutty American visitor story I could also tell a nutty British, Indonesian, German, Japanese, Korean, Aussie, Kiwi, Italian (that's a REALLY good one) and probably a few other nationalities, visitor stories as well. Nuttiness crosses borders. :D
I think nuttiness knows no borders, I worked in downtown L.A. for over twenty years and the stories I could tell! :-)
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gregb Tue, Mar 23, 2010 10:42:47am |
Someone sent me this, it reminded me that there hasn't been a "cute animal" thread in a long time.
[Link: photofizz.info...]
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John Vreeland Tue, Mar 23, 2010 2:10:33pm |
Nobody: You were a poet and a painter, William Blake. But now, you're a killer of white men.
...
Marvin (Older Marshall): You William Blake?
William Blake: Yes, I am. Do you know my poetry?
from Dead Man, by Jim Jarmusch. Very interesting film.
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