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1 Bagua  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:15:24pm

Steppin Lightly


- Gov't Mule
2 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:20:01pm

A harmonious design as per the post: The Lotus/Caterham Seven: [Link: www.caterham.co.uk...]

About as raw as cars get. Righteous.

3 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:24:12pm
A harmonious design requires that nothing be added or taken away.

— Vitruvius


What have the Romans ever done for us?

4 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:33:20pm

Repeat post.

In advance of The Early Morning Wingnut Hour with your host, Mandy Mannerless, may I just say snot urps, I mean

SNIP

That is all ye need to read.

5 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:34:06pm

WindUp, you have 50 rain songs? You are well-suited for Portland life.

6 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:36:01pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Repeat post.

In advance of The Early Morning Wingnut Hour with your host, Mandy Mannerless, may I just say snot urps, I mean

That is all ye need to read.

Are you a drunk or do you just play on on the internet?

7 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:36:34pm

re: #5 Silvergirl

WindUp, you have 50 rain songs? You are well-suited for Portland life.

I love the rain. I grew up in Seattle, so I'm pretty much addicted to rain.

8 Bagua  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:36:42pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Is that really necessary? Mandy isn't even logged on.

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:38:08pm

re: #5 Silvergirl

WindUp, you have 50 rain songs? You are well-suited for Portland life.

Another Rain song, this one might be a touch too metal for the less headbangery among us But I love it, it's been one of my favorite metal songs for years and years:

10 albusteve  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:52:57pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Repeat post.

In advance of The Early Morning Wingnut Hour with your host, Mandy Mannerless, may I just say snot urps, I mean

That is all ye need to read.

when we meet up, I'm gonna kick yer ass, then we will decide who gets what in this life...you will appreciate the knots I'm gonna pound on your head...you can thank me now amigo

11 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:53:31pm

re: #6 Silvergirl

Are you a drunk or do you just play on on the internet?

Am I drunk or do I just play "on on" the internet?

Check yourself.

re: #8 Bagua

Is that really necessary? Mandy isn't even logged on.

She will be.

12 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:55:22pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

She will be.

Yep, saw it as it was posting, and listened to music in the other thread till you caught it. You'd catch it, drunk or sober.

13 albusteve  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 11:56:57pm

I take that back...we'll do some shooters instead, and have a good time

14 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:03:20am

re: #10 albusteve

when we meet up, I'm gonna kick yer ass, then we will decide who gets what in this life...you will appreciate the knots I'm gonna pound on your head...you can thank me now amigo

I have a friend who's a nephrologist. I've always wanted one who was a phrenologist. If you could tell me what to do with these horns on my head, I'd be grateful...

...even if you used a hacksaw.

15 Mauser  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:04:27am

Check it out, a guy playing TWO guitars at once.

16 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:05:28am

re: #14 Cato the Elder

I have a friend who's a nephrologist. I've always wanted one who was a phrenologist. If you could tell me what to do with these horns on my head, I'd be grateful...

...even if you used a hacksaw.

mount them on the grill of the Linc and drive out here for tacos...you won't be disappointed

17 freetoken  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:05:33am

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Do you think you might be going a bit rough on her lately?

/* parable mode = on

For years I grew hybrid tea roses, and frankly they looked better than most peoples', a lot better. Others remarked on the quality.

How it was done: Besides the long term (multi-year) soil enrichment plan, and the correct watering schedule, the key trick is to know that it takes a few years of careful grooming of a newly planted plant - pruning away the bad parts and the unwanted growth, but being careful not to cut too much or in the wrong place, in order to get outstanding plants.

/* parable mode = off

18 Silvergirl  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:05:35am

Billie Holiday
Come Rain Or Come Shine

19 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:11:56am
20 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:11:56am

You people are weird. I guess being a lizard entitles you internet folk to taunt, drink, and go boogley-boogley-boo to each other. Hmm...

21 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:12:22am

Some more Billie, just for spacejesus...

Southern trees bear strange fruit
Blood on the leaves
Blood at the root
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees
Pastoral scene of the gallant south
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth
The scent of magnolia sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh
Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
for the rain to gather
for the wind to suck
for the sun to rot
for the tree to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop

Dedicated also to our teabagging pals that yelled the N word, and to the GOP fucks who excused it, and most of all to those in the shit0sphere who claimed it was justified. (Libs called us teabaggers, the name we call ourselves, so it's ok to scream "faggot!" at Barney Frank!*)

*actual claim made by RSM and many others.

22 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:13:23am

re: #20 teleskiguy

You people are weird. I guess being a lizard entitles you internet folk to taunt, drink, and go boogley-boogley-boo to each other. Hmm...

There does seem to be a certain, unpleasant degree of stalking lately.

23 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:14:44am

re: #22 SixDegrees

There does seem to be a certain, unpleasant degree of stalking lately.

Sure does! By some banned people who just keep on keepin' on, and emailing people here. :)

24 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:16:11am

re: #22 SixDegrees

There does seem to be a certain, unpleasant degree of stalking lately.

That's too bad. These stalker fucks need to get a life. I think Charles is doing a great service with LGF, especially for "moderate" folk.

25 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:16:24am

re: #17 freetoken

Do you think you might be going a bit rough on her lately?

Bit rough on whom?

Someone who plots with her friends to get other, less "conservative" people banned here?

Someone who claims (on other blogs) to have had her Allah-piss avatar for eight years, when I know along with anybody who cares to check that avatars have not even been an option for that long?

Someone who knows when Charles is asleep and posts her Stormfront links then?

Someone who laughs about torture?

Or maybe we've misunderestimated each other and we're talking about two different dinghos?

26 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:17:06am

re: #20 teleskiguy

You people are weird. I guess being a lizard entitles you internet folk to taunt, drink, and go boogley-boogley-boo to each other. Hmm...

I reserve the right to go boogley-boogley on whoever needs it

27 freetoken  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:18:41am

re: #25 Cato the Elder


Someone who knows when Charles is asleep and posts her Stormfront links then?

I must have missed that one... Stormfront links, really?

28 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:18:52am

re: #25 Cato the Elder

Bit rough on whom?

Someone who claims (on other blogs) to have had her Allah-piss avatar for eight years, when I know along with anybody who cares to check that avatars have not even been an option for that long?

Someone who knows when Charles is asleep and posts her Stormfront links then?

Why isn't she banned here?

29 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:20:28am

I'll admit, I'm a non-frequent poster. But does MandyManners really link to Stormfront on LGF? What happened to Sharmuta? Fun Fun Fun!

30 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:21:04am

re: #28 teleskiguy

for the same reason you aren't I'd guess...or me, for that matter

31 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:22:01am

I love Mandy and hope she'll be here a long time. I'm sure she will be here as long as she wants to be.

So long as she knocks off posting links to larouche and holocaust deniers in her quest to smear Soros, and lays off bullying new posters, I love Mandy being here.
No one demonstrates wingnuttery quite as well.

32 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:25:07am

re: #27 freetoken

I must have missed that one... Stormfront links, really?

No, just (twice) to the same holocaust denial site and once to a crazy larouche pub that contained very nasty antisemitic shit.

She'd been deleted once before for linking the holocaust denial site and warned about it.

She posted it again.

She was deleted and Charles warned her about it. Since then, her Soros-hate has abated a tiny bit.

33 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:25:34am

re: #31 iceweasel

I love Mandy and hope she'll be here a long time. I'm sure she will be here as long as she wants to be.

So long as she knocks off posting links to larouche and holocaust deniers in her quest to smear Soros, and lays off bullying new posters, I love Mandy being here.
No one demonstrates wingnuttery quite as well.

makes for a nice balance since we have to put up with you as well...maybe I'll post some poetry to enhance my point of view

34 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:26:34am

OK, a bird dancing to Ray Charles' Shake Your Tail Feather .

35 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:27:27am

Well.

Signing off.

But before I do, and before I l sell it for more on Craigslist, I have here 100 gross of 50 job lots each of up-pissing ropes, unused, pristine, mannerly, for 5¢/pc, FOB, cash only.

Any takers?

36 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:27:30am

re: #33 albusteve

makes for a nice balance since we have to put up with you as well...

You and the other butthurt wingnuts, yes. :)

maybe I'll post some poetry to enhance my point of view

Good plan! Bring it.

37 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:29:19am

re: #33 albusteve

actually I'm just joshing you, and hope you are nicely united with what's his name...maybe you can get out into the great American heartland and enjoy the scenery

38 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:31:22am

Weird vibe tonight, almost menacing, though all in good fun. It can't be all hunky dory, can it?

39 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:31:58am

Just back from the pub where Jimmah-ski had a Begbie moment.
Someone made the mistake of playing Toto, Africa on the jukebox.

Bad idea.

40 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:33:58am

re: #36 iceweasel

Good plan! Bring it.

I don't know much poetry...but I like Jagger!...and I'm gratefully butthurtless, even tho I like watching others writhe with the affliction...it seems to be universal across political lines...I have sekrit armor

41 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:35:24am

re: #38 teleskiguy

Weird vibe tonight, almost menacing, though all in good fun. It can't be all hunky dory, can it?

yeah, it can

42 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:37:21am

re: #39 iceweasel

Just back from the pub where Jimmah-ski had a Begbie moment.
Someone made the mistake of playing Toto, Africa on the jukebox.

Bad idea.


[Video]

huh?...my favorite Toto song...makes me want to kill a lion
(jus kidding)

43 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:38:12am

re: #41 albusteve

Personally, I think it's gonna be alright. It's snowing, I'm skiing in eight hours, things are on the up and up.

44 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:38:45am

re: #43 teleskiguy

Personally, I think it's gonna be alright. It's snowing, I'm skiing in eight hours, things are on the up and up.

skiing?...where are you?

45 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:40:08am

re: #39 iceweasel

Just back from the pub where Jimmah-ski had a Begbie moment.
Someone made the mistake of playing Toto, Africa on the jukebox.

Bad idea.

Shaddup, weaselkins. Otherwise sumwha mycht think yer a gorram booly or samwhat.

46 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:40:53am

re: #44 albusteve

Um, let's just say I ski close to the West Elk Mountains in Colorado.

And I'm teleskiing, the ultimate snow descent method.

47 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:41:49am

Good evening LGF.

Bastards. (Begbie moment not quite over)

48 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:42:49am

re: #47 Jimmah

Begbie's a real hothead.

49 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:45:11am

re: #46 teleskiguy

Um, let's just say I ski close to the West Elk Mountains in Colorado.

And I'm teleskiing, the ultimate snow descent method.

cool...I lived in CO for many years and that's some serious terrain out there...all my XC skiing was done up in the mid west...I don't know about ultimate tho

50 Silvergirl  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:51:04am

If you love alliteration

A to Z of Awesomeness

51 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:52:47am

re: #42 albusteve

huh?...my favorite Toto song...makes me want to kill a lion
(jus kidding)

Don't fuck with me Steve. I just decorated the local pub with wingnut entrails. And I liked it.

52 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:53:23am

re: #49 albusteve

I've alpine skied since I was 2, took up snowboarding at 14 and did that 'til I was about 19, went back to alpine, and tried telemark for the first time when I was 21. Telemark, if learned thoroughly (which takes living at a ski area and skiing all the time), is the ultimate. teleskiguy knows what he's talking about when it comes to snow sports! :)

53 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:55:43am

re: #51 Jimmah

Don't fuck with me Steve. I just decorated the local pub with wingnut entrails. And I liked it.


[Video]

when you like it is when it counts...I will watch my step

54 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 12:59:44am

re: #52 teleskiguy

I've alpine skied since I was 2, took up snowboarding at 14 and did that 'til I was about 19, went back to alpine, and tried telemark for the first time when I was 21. Telemark, if learned thoroughly (which takes living at a ski area and skiing all the time), is the ultimate. teleskiguy knows what he's talking about when it comes to snow sports! :)

yes, it also requires some altitude, some grade...my Rossi's are long, narrow and edged but I have never used them in true telly terraine...I'm an authentic ski tourist and like it that way

55 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:00:27am

I notice that in a previous thread, people have been arguing about what happened to Ann Coulter in Canada. Free speech was a component in those arguments. Well, here's FZ on CNN's Crossfire talking about free speech, if you've got the time.

56 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:00:59am

I'm out like Buster Mathis

57 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:03:51am

re: #55 teleskiguy

I notice that in a previous thread, people have been arguing about what happened to Ann Coulter in Canada.
[Video]

Cool video, but we were talking about Canada. Canada doesn't have the free speech provisions that the US does-- no one does. Fred Phelps, for example, can't even enter the UK because of his hate speech.

So, nice vid, nice points.
Irrelevant to Coulter in Canada, and Canada's right to condemn hate speech.

58 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:11:40am

re: #57 iceweasel

Michael Savage too. And he's listened to by lots.

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:12:51am

re: #58 teleskiguy

Michael Savage too. And he's listened to by lots.

Michael Savage's show is complete nonsense, and great radio. The guy is an expert broadcaster, shame he says such lunatic stuff on his show :D

60 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:14:49am

re: #14 Cato the Elder

I have a friend who's a nephrologist. I've always wanted one who was a phrenologist. If you could tell me what to do with these horns on my head, I'd be grateful...

...even if you used a hacksaw.

Scrimshaw. Great for whiling away those long evenings in Baltimore.

61 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:15:04am

re: #58 teleskiguy

Michael Savage too. And he's listened to by lots.

And IIRC Mark Levin in Canada.

Savage is a psycho. I've listened to quite a bit in the past.

Anyway, the US system is the only one where we really have free speech. And I think that's the best system, personally.
But that standard is irrelevant w/r/t Coulter and Canada.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:15:15am

Despite the fact that it doesn't have thunderous metal guitars or lyrics about time travel, I love this Shins song:

63 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:15:59am

re: #60 ryannon

Scrimshaw. Great for whiling away those long evenings in Baltimore.


Whaling? ;)

64 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:16:06am

re: #55 teleskiguy

I notice that in a previous thread, people have been arguing about what happened to Ann Coulter in Canada.

What "happened" to Ann "Orexia" Coulter in Canada?

She wasn't allowed to give a speech about how Christians are perfected Jews?

She wasn't allowed to scare young men in their impressionable years away from women forever?

She wasn't allowed to bring her hate talk to the table?

Wah!

I feel as bad about that as I did about Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) being banned from entering the US to raise money for Hamas.

Piss on Coulter's jihad against hard-ons.

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:16:51am

re: #61 iceweasel

And IIRC Mark Levin in Canada.

Savage is a psycho. I've listened to quite a bit in the past.

Anyway, the US system is the only one where we really have free speech. And I think that's the best system, personally.
But that standard is irrelevant w/r/t Coulter and Canada.

Mark Levin! What a gong show that guy is. I love that he hates Savage personally, because his schtick is sorta like a weak sauce amateur version of Savage. Savage can do the Howard Beale thing and do it great, when Mark Levin tries it, he's like a kid at a talent show.

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:17:29am

re: #64 Cato the Elder

What "happened" to Ann "Orexia" Coulter in Canada?

oh MAN is this mean :D

67 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:20:21am

re: #33 albusteve

makes for a nice balance since we have to put up with you as well...maybe I'll post some poetry to enhance my point of view

Throw his ass out of here. He's getting too clever.

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:21:14am

re: #51 Jimmah

Don't fuck with me Steve. I just decorated the local pub with wingnut entrails. And I liked it.


[Video]

Laibach did a cover of that? Damn!

here's the Fields' cover:


gets going around the 50 second mark :D

69 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:23:20am

re: #59 WindUpBird

Michael Savage's show is complete nonsense, and great radio. The guy is an expert broadcaster, shame he says such lunatic stuff on his show :D

I agree. I think his radio show is awesome. But he cannot be taken seriously.

70 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:23:49am

re: #39 iceweasel

Just back from the pub where Jimmah-ski had a Begbie moment.
Someone made the mistake of playing Toto, Africa on the jukebox.

Bad idea.


[Video]


Jimmah must be loads of fun to go to a bar with. How's his health insurance coverage?

71 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:25:54am

OK, gonna ski some fresh snow in the morning. Nite lizards!

72 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:27:08am

re: #70 ryannon

Jimmah must be loads of fun to go to a bar with. How's his health insurance coverage?

Fabulous. Thanks for asking. :)

And yes, he is, actually...the more so now that I know he gets violent when bad music is played.

73 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:32:39am

re: #66 WindUpBird

oh MAN is this mean :D

My, shall we say, speciality.

74 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:32:58am

re: #64 Cato the Elder

What "happened" to Ann "Orexia" Coulter in Canada?

She wasn't allowed to give a speech about how Christians are perfected Jews?

She wasn't allowed to scare young men in their impressionable years away from women forever?

She wasn't allowed to bring her hate talk to the table?

Wah!

I feel as bad about that as I did about Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) being banned from entering the US to raise money for Hamas.

Piss on Coulter's jihad against hard-ons.

All agreed, but you know I did get you to watch that one Cat Stevens vid of peace train from brooklyn last year that was pretty cool...

75 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:35:09am

And Cat Steven's other songs: "TNT For the Killerman", "Father and Sunni" and "Crescent Moon Shadow".

76 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:37:20am

re: #74 iceweasel

All agreed, but you know I did get you to watch that one Cat Stevens vid of peace train from brooklyn last year that was pretty cool...

I was groovin' to "Peace Train" literally before you were born, my flesh-ripping ferret.

He lost me when he came out for killing Salman Rushdie. His peace train may still rock on down the tracks, but for me it's left the station.

77 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:39:09am

re: #76 Cato the Elder

I was groovin' to "Peace Train" literally before you were born, my flesh-ripping ferret.

He lost me when he came out for killing Salman Rushdie. His peace train may still rock on down the tracks, but for me it's left the station.

Oh I know, and I don't disagree....just saying, that one version is nice.

78 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:39:41am

re: #72 iceweasel

Ah, Sheridan Square and the old Lion's Head Bar.

I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

79 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:40:30am

re: #77 iceweasel

Oh I know, and I don't disagree...just saying, that one version is nice.

Indeed it is.

People argue with me for likely Ezra Pound, too.

We have no conflict.

80 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:41:18am

re: #79 Cato the Elder

Indeed it is.

People argue with me for likely Ezra Pound, too.

We have no conflict.

We're lovers and fighters!

81 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:44:00am

re: #78 ryannon

Ah, Sheridan Square and the old Lion's Head Bar.

I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Nah, and not even Dylan Thomas and the White Horse, nor Jackson Pollock and the Cedar Tavern.

Do not go gentle into that good night!
Wingnuts rage, RAGE, against the dying of the right!

82 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:51:06am

re: #81 iceweasel

Nah, and not even Dylan Thomas and the White Horse, nor Jackson Pollock and the Cedar Tavern.

Do not go gentle into that good night!
Wingnuts rage, RAGE, against the dying of the right!

The last time I saw the West Village - which was quite some time ago - I simply did not recognize it. I'd lived on Cornelia St. and on Charles when it was still...well...the Village. Especially Cornelia: it was a microcosm with everything from Mafia Big-Shot grandmothers to old-school gays to aspiring actors and failed abstract expressionists - the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit as A.G. has said. It was a magic moment, probably never to be repeated.

83 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:53:52am

re: #79 Cato the Elder

Indeed it is.

People argue with me for likely Ezra Pound, too.

We have no conflict.

I learned that from my dog.

He'll kill you with affection one moment and then rip your throat out if you menace me.

Oh, to be the person he thinks I am!

84 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:54:46am

Greetings Earthlings. I come in peace.

Let us weep for our fellow Orange-Americans who must now struggle in hardship to pay the extra 90 pennies to The State in order to practice their Constitutionally protected right of The Tanning Bed and a year round tan unchained by the restraints of taxation on thine practice from the King.

From this day forward I proclaim to fight the King from within the ranks of our newly formed Tanning Bed Party and our fellow Erectile Dysfunction Party members and Teabaggers.

85 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:55:41am

re: #83 Cato the Elder

Oops. Meant as reply to #80, not to myself.

Damn Prog glasses!

86 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:55:55am

FWIW, I just watched this Jon Stewart episode again in its entirety (The Conservative Libertarian) and I think it's better the second time around.

I don't visit Fox News very often, but Caterpillar says HCR is going to cost it an additional $100 million dollars. Without any intimate knowledge of Caterpillar's current health plan, I don't know if this is spookhouse boogeyman bullshit, or the real deal. Has anyone else commented on this?

87 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:56:29am

re: #84 Gus 802

I wonder why Orange-American isn't a category on the census. /

88 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:57:43am

re: #81 iceweasel

Nah, and not even Dylan Thomas and the White Horse, nor Jackson Pollock and the Cedar Tavern.

Do not go gentle into that good night!
Wingnuts rage, RAGE, against the dying of the right!

Indulge the curiosity of a harmless and insignificant aging expat across the pond: where or how does a young lady like you acquire so many nearly-arcane cultural references? Was it your education? Your family? Your own propensities? Aside from Jimmah, who can you find to talk to? Are there more like you out there in NYC these days?

89 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:58:40am

re: #87 iceweasel

I wonder why Orange-American isn't a category on the census. /

Perhaps it will. As a form of protest from the People of Orange.

H/T of course goes to SFZ.

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:59:13am

re: #69 teleskiguy

I agree. I think his radio show is awesome. But he cannot be taken seriously.

I'd love to hear him do a hot talk show where he plays himself as a character!

91 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 1:59:45am

re: #84 Gus 802

I'm one of those people, and I'm not weeping about .90. Compared to what I pay for the luxury of smoking, it's .90 is a bargain at twice the price.

I'd already reconciled being penalized for smoking long ago, back when the Republicans were staying out of my personal life and I got to tell Uncle Sam exactly where I wanted my tax dollars to go. You know, the good old days.
//

92 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:00:44am

re: #88 ryannon

Indulge the curiosity of a harmless and insignificant aging expat across the pond: where or how does a young lady like you acquire so many nearly-arcane cultural references? Was it your education? Your family? Your own propensities? Aside from Jimmah, who can you find to talk to? Are there more like you out there in NYC these days?

There are many of us. Even in Baltimore.

Abyssus abyssum inuocat.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:00:58am

re: #86 theheat

FWIW, I just watched this Jon Stewart episode again in its entirety (The Conservative Libertarian) and I think it's better the second time around.

I don't visit Fox News very often, but Caterpillar says HCR is going to cost it an additional $100 million dollars. Without any intimate knowledge of Caterpillar's current health plan, I don't know if this is spookhouse boogeyman bullshit, or the real deal. Has anyone else commented on this?

it's probably bullshit, the CAT CEO is a Republican powerhouse.

94 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:01:50am

re: #93 WindUpBird

But, but, but - it was on Fox News! It has to be true!
//

95 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:02:31am

re: #91 theheat

I'm one of those people, and I'm not weeping about .90. Compared to what I pay for the luxury of smoking, it's .90 is a bargain at twice the price.

I'd already reconciled being penalized for smoking long ago, back when the Republicans were staying out of my personal life and I got to tell Uncle Sam exactly where I wanted my tax dollars to go. You know, the good old days.
//

Yeah, I kept writing my Senator to send all of my tax monies to the Gus Institute. He never did pay attention to me much. But it was great back in the good old days when we had a choice. //

96 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:04:06am

re: #95 Gus 802

Back before them progressives "put all that air pollution shit on my seat belts." I know seat belts were involved somehow. The root of all evil.

97 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:04:31am

re: #92 Cato the Elder

There are many of us. Even in Baltimore.

Abyssus abyssum inuocat.

Christ, Cato - I never would have guessed you were actually a young lady.

Or is this just you way of coming out?

/

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:04:37am

re: #94 theheat

But, but, but - it was on Fox News! It has to be true!
//

"I HEARD THE NICE MAN ON THE TELEVISION SAY IT!"

"Who was that man, mom?"

"IT WAS THE GLENN BECK!!"

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:05:19am

re: #96 theheat

Back before them progressives "put all that air pollution shit on my seat belts." I know seat belts were involved somehow. The root of all evil.

I will say those automatic seatbelts on tracks from cars from the early 90's? Oh man, the suck. :D

100 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:05:40am

re: #97 ryannon

PIMF: your

101 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:06:57am

re: #99 WindUpBird

In the Nixon years, back in the good old days, there was a liberal plot to show how seat belts saved lives shown in public schools throughout the country.

The liberals have been planning the takeover for years, one car seat at a time.

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:07:08am

re: #92 Cato the Elder


God knows everybody needs
A hand in their decision
Some of us are not so sure
I seen his own held out
For a ride on television
I think he’s still in baltimore

I used to play this Sisters of Mercy song with my band in college :D

103 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:07:47am

re: #96 theheat

Back before them progressives "put all that air pollution shit on my seat belts." I know seat belts were involved somehow. The root of all evil.

Damn. I miss the days before they forced the auto companies were forced to use safety glass on their automobiles. Before that the glass would break into lethal shards of thousands of little knives during a collision. All lies and forced upon the auto industry by Ralph Nader. Everyone knows the glass was safe before then. One was simply thrown from the car quite readily and safely since safety belts were not required thus throwing the drive and/or passengers a safe distance from the so called lethal glass.

//

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:08:16am

re: #101 theheat

In the Nixon years, back in the good old days, there was a liberal plot to show how seat belts saved lives shown in public schools throughout the country.

The liberals have been planning the takeover for years, one car seat at a time.

Those bastards!

I am conflicted, as a car guy who likes my wheels fast, loud, and insane, and a liberal, what am I to do? :D

105 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:09:10am

Air bag laws must be repealed now! Cars were a lot cheaper before they started installing those European devices.

Pets must be made to wear clothing or their owners fined!

/Eleventy!

/

106 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:09:12am

re: #103 Gus 802

The trajectory + distance aspect made crashes so much more sporting. Liberals couldn't stand for any of that red blooded American fun.

107 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:09:16am

re: #103 Gus 802

Damn. I miss the days before they forced the auto companies were forced to use safety glass on their automobiles. Before that the glass would break into lethal shards of thousands of little knives during a collision. All lies and forced upon the auto industry by Ralph Nader. Everyone knows the glass was safe before then. One was simply thrown from the car quite readily and safely since safety belts were not required thus throwing the drive and/or passengers a safe distance from the so called lethal glass.

//

They weren't lethal! Those are only flesh wounds! :D

//

108 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:10:24am

re: #104 WindUpBird

Drive really damned fast with a seat belt. It can be done ;-)

109 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:10:49am

re: #102 WindUpBird

I used to play this Sisters of Mercy song with my band in college :D

Enough of Baltimore, already.

Except for this, of course.

Post it every time I can.

110 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:11:32am

re: #107 WindUpBird

They weren't lethal! Those are only flesh wounds! :D

//

I've seen those movies. Not once did I see red blood in those car accidents. All I saw was something that looked like gray liquid and other shades of gray amidst a black and white screen. They lied!

//

111 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:12:52am

re: #110 Gus 802

That's because Quentin Tarantino didn't produce public school filmstrips. Had he, things would have been a lot more exciting.

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:13:17am

re: #108 theheat

Drive really damned fast with a seat belt. It can be done ;-)


Are you shitting me? I do it every day! Turbo GTI in the hizzouse :D

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:14:56am

re: #111 theheat

That's because Quentin Tarantino didn't produce public school filmstrips. Had he, things would have been a lot more exciting.

Oh man, Death Proof as a filmstrip!

YOUR FACE COULD BE SANDED OFF YOUR SKULL BY A NOVA'S REAR WHEELS DRIVEN BY KURT RUSSELL

114 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:15:02am

re: #111 theheat

That's because Quentin Tarantino didn't produce public school filmstrips. Had he, things would have been a lot more exciting.

That and going over to Live Leak and seeing one of those "oh my God he's still alive" videos.

/

115 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:15:44am

re: #88 ryannon

Indulge the curiosity of a harmless and insignificant aging expat across the pond: where or how does a young lady like you acquire so many nearly-arcane cultural references? Was it your education? Your family? Your own propensities? Aside from Jimmah, who can you find to talk to? Are there more like you out there in NYC these days?

Do you consider those references arcane?
I don't. Neither would the people I know.

We are Legion. :)

116 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:17:48am

re: #113 WindUpBird

A cautionary tale: thatt is what happens to scantily clad, sexually liberated women. In retrospect, it's exactly the kind of safety film the wingnuts could get behind.

117 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:17:54am

re: #113 WindUpBird

Oh man, Death Proof as a filmstrip!

YOUR FACE COULD BE SANDED OFF YOUR SKULL BY A NOVA'S REAR WHEELS DRIVEN BY KURT RUSSELL

Or James Dean

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:18:42am

re: #115 iceweasel

Jackson Pollock :D

My favorite artist Rick berry is heavily influenced by Pollock. Not his imagery, Berry is a figurative painter. But he starts in the same way: slinging paint, tossing turp around, making abstracts that dig into the subconscious, and then he stumbles across the beginnings of an image in the abstraction, and begins work from there.


basically like a improv jazz guy, but instead of music, it's figure painting.

119 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:20:09am

re: #117 Gus 802

Or James Dean

[Video]

Hmm, now that I think about it. Add Jackson Pollock to that list.

Small world.

120 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:20:53am

re: #116 theheat

yeah, but didn't the empowered avenging heroines women turn around and fuck Kurt Russell up with their Challenger and eventulaly break his neck with their feet? :D

121 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:21:13am

re: #104 WindUpBird

Those bastards!

I am conflicted, as a car guy who likes my wheels fast, loud, and insane, and a liberal, what am I to do? :D

Tesla Roadster.

/okay, so it's not LOUD, but. q;

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:21:32am

re: #120 WindUpBird

yeah, but didn't the empowered avenging heroines women turn around and fuck Kurt Russell up with their Challenger and eventulaly break his neck with their feet? :D

HEROINES WOMEN

Oh God too much beer

123 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:22:00am

Good Morning to all the Lizards in Lizardia!

124 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:22:10am

re: #121 laZardo

Tesla Roadster.

/okay, so it's not LOUD, but. q;

But if you get some playing cards and a couple of clothes pins...

//

125 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:22:37am

Oh, and many thanks to the GLOBAL ZIONIST CONSPRIACY for helping my dad pass the medicals to land that Asian Games job.

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:23:06am

re: #121 laZardo

Tesla Roadster.

/okay, so it's not LOUD, but. q;

Oh man, my current dream car is an Elise. The Tesla Roadster, all it is is the Lotus Elise chassis, and instead of the motor from the Celica GTS in it, it's got an electric mill.

Problem is, the batteries make it heavier and shitty handling compared to the original. I still give them points!

127 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:23:42am

re: #120 WindUpBird

Yes, which goes to show, not all of them are chickenshits. Plus, the cool black chic used a gun. Sexually liberated women with guns? That kind of conflict the wingnuts can never reconcile.

128 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:24:25am

re: #126 WindUpBird

But you can earn almost as many carbon credits as taking public transit! O8

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:24:39am

re: #127 theheat

Yes, which goes to show, not all of them are chickenshits. Plus, the cool black chic used a gun. Sexually liberated women with guns? That kind of conflict the wingnuts can never reconcile.

More Ripley from Aliens plz :D


YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SLEAZE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS ONE, BURKE! RIGHT TO THE WALL

130 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:24:46am

WindUpBird,

A little GTI love.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:25:23am

re: #128 laZardo

But you can earn almost as many carbon credits as taking public transit! O8

It'd be a good compromise if I must have one car! I'd rather have an electric van and an Elise. :D

132 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:26:41am

re: #129 WindUpBird

Another portrait in conflict. The Company Ripley despised was portrayed as stereotypical pro war, forget the little guy, right wing.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:26:42am

re: #130 rwdflynavy


I love this commercial! It's got Peter Stormare in it! I don't have one of these, I have the previous revision, which was a little more boxy. But I have that little fast rabbit figurine in my glove box :D

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:27:49am

re: #132 theheat

Another portrait in conflict. The Company Ripley despised was portrayed as stereotypical pro war, forget the little guy, right wing.

yes :D

And then she fought back against the system by screaming at corporate hack Burke, who then retreated to a little room where he was savaged by xenomorphs :D

135 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:28:35am

re: #133 WindUpBird

I love this commercial! It's got Peter Stormare in it! I don't have one of these, I have the previous revision, which was a little more boxy. But I have that little fast rabbit figurine in my glove box :D

136 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:29:11am

re: #133 WindUpBird

I love this commercial! It's got Peter Stormare in it! I don't have one of these, I have the previous revision, which was a little more boxy. But I have that little fast rabbit figurine in my glove box :D

137 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:29:58am

re: #134 WindUpBird

Ripley's leftish tendencies were obvious when she torched all those alien eggs! Baby Killer!

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:30:21am

re: #135 rwdflynavy

I love these because I hate over-accessorized Civics. They're good, simple cars, and people ruin them with air dams and stupid spoilers. IT'S AN FWD CAR THE SPOILER PUTS DOWNFORCE ON THE BACK WHEELS WHICH IS REDUCING YOUR TRACTION ARGH

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:30:43am

re: #137 theheat

Ripley's leftish tendencies were obvious when she torched all those alien eggs! Baby Killer!

haha yes

Somewhere HR Giger is crying.

WHY WHY I PAINTED THOSE SO GREAT

140 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:31:39am

re: #138 WindUpBird

I love these because I hate over-accessorized Civics. They're good, simple cars, and people ruin them with air dams and stupid spoilers. IT'S AN FWD CAR THE SPOILER PUTS DOWNFORCE ON THE BACK WHEELS WHICH IS REDUCING YOUR TRACTION ARGH

But I bought the cool accessories at Wal-Mart....
//

141 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:32:11am

re: #140 rwdflynavy

And the stripe takes a second off the quarter mile!

//

142 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:32:25am

re: #140 rwdflynavy

Accessories made in China for a Japanese car. Cool!
//

143 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:32:37am

re: #141 laZardo

And the stripe takes a second off the quarter mile!

//

YOU GOT AN F!
//

144 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:33:23am

re: #142 theheat

Accessories made in China for a Japanese car. Cool!
//

Globalization!!! NWO!!!
//

145 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:34:22am

re: #138 WindUpBird

I love these because I hate over-accessorized Civics. They're good, simple cars, and people ruin them with air dams and stupid spoilers. IT'S AN FWD CAR THE SPOILER PUTS DOWNFORCE ON THE BACK WHEELS WHICH IS REDUCING YOUR TRACTION ARGH

I've got one. Once in a while I like to beat faster and more expensive cars at the green light. Of course that explains why it pops out of second gear now.

146 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:35:03am

Cheers folks and I hope you all have a great day/night/whatever.

Jimmah and I have a very busy day today, seeing the Statue of Liberty amongst other things, tormenting wingnuts by making out in public places, officiating ghey marriages, hatin' on America, the usual lib schedule.

FREE LOVE AND GITMO! MAKE TEA NOT WAR!

etc. Later!

147 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:35:16am

re: #97 ryannon

Christ, Cato - I never would have guessed you were actually a young lady.

Or is this just you way of coming out?

/

All I'm sayin' is, people with arcane points of reference tend to find one another across all boundaries. I was into Lovecraft, Aldous Huxley, Dylan², peyote, Joyce, Latin, leather, BMW motorcycles, marijuana French kissing, jug bands, playing records backwards and Baroque poetry when I was half Iceweasel's age.

Baltimore is known for breeding weirdos.

148 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:35:33am

re: #145 Gus 802

I've got one. Once in a while I like to beat faster and more expensive cars at the green light. Of course that explains why it pops out of second gear now.

That ,, and after circling the block you can stop and pick up the engine and tranny parts you dropped!

149 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:35:39am

re: #146 iceweasel

Cheers folks and I hope you all have a great day/night/whatever.

Jimmah and I have a very busy day today, seeing the Statue of Liberty amongst other things, tormenting wingnuts by making out in public places, officiating ghey marriages, hatin' on America, the usual lib schedule.

FREE LOVE AND GITMO! MAKE TEA NOT WAR!

etc. Later!

Don't do anything you wouldn't do!

150 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:36:55am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

All I'm sayin' is, people with arcane points of reference tend to find one another across all boundaries. I was into Lovecraft, Aldous Huxley, Dylan², peyote, Joyce, Latin, leather, BMW motorcycles, marijuana French kissing, jug bands, playing records backwards and Baroque poetry when I was half Iceweasel's age.

Baltimore is known for breeding weirdos.

I so love a BOOB thread so early in the morning!

151 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:37:19am

re: #148 sattv4u2

That ,, and after circling the block you can stop and pick up the engine and tranny parts you dropped!

"Hey dude like I think the engine just fell out."

[Looks in rear view mirror.]

152 ryannon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:37:54am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

From Poe to John Waters...and probably much, much more.

Must be the climate.

153 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:37:58am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

And to think, now you're just an average schmoe in bedroom slippers, with a bowl of popcorn, anxiously waiting for Palin's Alaska series to come on the boob tube.
//

154 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:38:06am

re: #151 Gus 802

"Hey dude like I think the engine just fell out."

[Looks in rear view mirror.]

",,, either that, or someone dropped a can opener here"

155 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:38:47am

re: #146 iceweasel

Cheers folks and I hope you all have a great day/night/whatever.

Jimmah and I have a very busy day today, seeing the Statue of Liberty amongst other things, tormenting wingnuts by making out in public places, officiating ghey marriages, hatin' on America, the usual lib schedule.

FREE LOVE AND GITMO! MAKE TEA NOT WAR!

etc. Later!

Have fun Ice. Hard to believe people will still sometimes get bent out of shape about public displays of affection.

156 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:40:21am

re: #154 sattv4u2

",,, either that, or someone dropped a can opener here"

I ran into a tumble weed like branch that cracked my air damn. Think I was going about 40 mph. Car was almost new then so I got bummed out for about a day. Just a stupid hairline crack. Most I see are all busted up.

157 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:41:15am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

All I'm sayin' is, people with arcane points of reference tend to find one another across all boundaries. I was into Lovecraft, Aldous Huxley, Dylan², peyote, Joyce, Latin, leather, BMW motorcycles, marijuana French kissing, jug bands, playing records backwards and Baroque poetry when I was half Iceweasel's age.

Baltimore is known for breeding weirdos.

Really? Baltimore? I thought that was Staten Island.

/

158 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:46:05am

re: #157 Gus 802

Really? Baltimore? I thought that was Staten Island.

/

Weirdos are like cockroaches

They breed everywhere, in every climate/environment/timeframe and are immune to plague, holocaust, climate change and party affiliation

159 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:47:53am

re: #153 theheat

And to think, now you're just an average schmoe in bedroom slippers, with a bowl of popcorn, anxiously waiting for Palin's Alaska series to come on the boob tube.
//

You have no idea.

160 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:49:15am

re: #155 Gus 802

Have fun Ice. Hard to believe people will still sometimes get bent out of shape about public displays of affection.

I hate it when people exchange bodily fluids in elevators.

161 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:50:51am

re: #160 Spare O'Lake

I hate it when people exchange bodily fluids in elevators.

I meant just kissing and embracing. Now, I could see where it could go to extremes like you mention.

162 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:52:35am
163 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:52:44am

"...This room cost 2,000 dollars a month
you can believe it man it's true
somewhere a landlord's laughing till he wets his pants
No one here dreams of being a doctor or a lawyer or anything
they dream of dealing on the dirty boulevard..."

164 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:53:42am

re: #159 Cato the Elder

I should have added, you do all the above, while picking the wings off flies.

You are a very strange one, Cato. But that's okay.

165 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 2:57:30am

re: #161 Gus 802

I meant just kissing and embracing. Now, I could see where it could go to extremes like you mention.

It also makes me a bit nervous when I hear heavy moaning right behind me in a fast food lineup.

166 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:03:11am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

It also makes me a bit nervous when I hear heavy moaning right behind me in a fast food lineup.

Nervous!?!?

Curious
Envious
Jealous
si

But "nervous"!?!?!,,,not unless I was in an all male fast food lineup

NTTAWWT!!!
//

167 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:04:23am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

Smooching in public is okay. Humping, moaning, and groping is pretty gross to endure for the people not directly involved. I file that under bad taste, and I'm about as socially liberal as it gets.

168 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:05:07am
169 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:06:09am

re: #164 theheat

I should have added, you do all the above, while picking the wings off flies.

You are a very strange one, Cato. But that's okay.

We're all strange.

We all have our uniquely strange characteristics.

170 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:14:48am

The computer lab I've checked into is starting a class now. Gonna see if I can find another one. Cheers.

171 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:15:12am
172 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:18:21am
173 theheat  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:19:11am

Duty calls. It's been real. Later.

174 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:19:55am

re: #173 theheat

Duty calls. It's been real. Later.

Make sure you flush and wash your hands

175 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:25:12am

Sparrow

176 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:25:49am

Over the night, the Israeli air force carried out an air strike near the Jabalyia refugee camp in the northern part of the Gaza Strip without causing any casualties, reported Palestinian security services officials.

SNIP

An Israeli army spokesman confirmed that a raid had occurred on an arms depot in retaliation for rocket launching. About 35 rockets and mortar shells have been launched by Gaza at Israeli since the beginning of the year, according to the Israeli army.

177 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:29:37am

re: #176 MandyManners

Over the night, the Israeli air force carried out an air strike near the Jabalyia refugee camp in the northern part of the Gaza Strip without causing any casualties, reported Palestinian security services officials.

SNIP

"Today, the Israelis launched a disproportionate strike on innocent Pali women and children in response to unsubstantiated reports of missle strikes which were probably launched by the Israleis themselves as pretense to this event"

//UN statement

178 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:30:21am

The arrest of an outspoken government opponent for his critical remarks on a TV talk show drew condemnation on Tuesday from opposition parties and human rights activists who said the case shows freedoms are being eroded in Venezuela.

Opposition politician Oswaldo Alvarez Paz was detained by police on Monday and has been charged with conspiracy, spreading false information and publicly inciting violation.

A coalition of more than a dozen parties opposed to President Hugo Chavez said in a statement that Alvarez Paz was arrested for a "crime of opinion" in an attempt to silence criticism and encourage a climate of self-censorship. Opposition leaders called the 67-year-old former Zulia state governor a political prisoner.

Human Rights Watch also condemned the arrest.

"This is a major setback for freedom of expression in Venezuela," said Jose Miguel Vivanco, the group's executive director for the Americas.

"For years Chavez has sought to intimidate his critics with unfounded allegations of conspiracies and coup-mongering. Throwing someone in prison for criticizing the government is a clear abuse of power, and all the more so in a country where it is very difficult to expect a fair trial given the government's political takeover of the supreme court," Vivanco said.

The government denied that Alvarez Paz is being prosecuted for political reasons, saying he has committed legitimate crimes and should answer in court.

"Someone cannot stand up to defame, to lie, to manipulate in the media here and not have anything happen," Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami told reporters.

SNIP

179 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:31:14am

re: #177 sattv4u2

"Today, the Israelis launched a disproportionate strike on innocent Pali women and children in response to unsubstantiated reports of missle strikes which were probably launched by the Israleis themselves as pretense to this event"

//UN statement

ANSA is the only outlet reporting this. I guarantee you that if the strike had killed someone, it would be all over the Internet.

180 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:31:16am

re: #176 MandyManners

Over the night, the Israeli air force carried out an air strike near the Jabalyia refugee camp in the northern part of the Gaza Strip without causing any casualties, reported Palestinian security services officials.

SNIP

And on and on and on and on it fucking goes, while Hilary and Obama nip at Bibi's ankles and pretend that building houses in Jerusalem is the problem.

181 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:33:11am

A Cuban diplomat based in Mexico and her husband defected last week, but their whereabouts remain unknown, worried relatives said Tuesday.

Yusimil Casañas, 25, head of the passport section of the Cuban embassy in Mexico City, and her husband, Michel Rojas, 32, disappeared March 17, said her uncle, Esteban Casañas Lostal, who lives in Canada.

Yusimil's mother, Danay Casneiro, contacted him to report the defections and ask for his help in case they were detained by Mexican authorities, who may refuse them asylum and force them back to Cuba, Casañas Lostal said.

SNIP

182 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:33:48am

re: #180 Spare O'Lake

And on and on and on and on it fucking goes, while Hilary and Obama nip at Bibi's ankles and pretend that building houses in Jerusalem is the problem.

Rocket attacks? What rocket attacks?

183 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:40:53am

re: #178 MandyManners

More on Tareck El-Aissami, Chavez's minister of "justice".

Mr. El – Aissami is a Venezuelan national of Syrian descent who, before becoming Minster of Interior and Justice, occupied the position of Deputy Interior Minister for Public Security. His father, Carlos Aissami, is the head of the Venezuelan branch of the Iraqi Baath political party. Before the invasion of Iraq, he held a press conference in which he described himself as a Taliban and called Osama Bin Laden, "the great Mujahedeen, Sheik Osama bin Laden." Tarek's great-uncle Shibli el-Aissami was a prominent ideologist and assistant to the party's secretary general in Baghdad during the Saddam Hussein regime.[1]

It was discovered that in 2003 El Aissami was appointed, along with another radical student leader from the University of the Andes in the city of Mérida, Hugo Cabezas, to head the country's passport and naturalization service, the Onidex (Identification and Immigration Office). The choice came as a surprise precisely because of their ties with guerrilla movements at Universidad de Los Andes (ULA). Evidence has surfaced that during this time both men illegally issued Venezuelan passports and identity documents to members of Hezbollah and Hamas. Mr. Cabezas is now the government candidate for governor of the Andean state of Trujillo in elections due to be held on November 23, 2008 and is a founding member of Utopia, an armed group that has connections with the Bolivarian Liberation Front.[2]

While a student leader at ULA, Aissami had political control of the university residences (dorms), which were used to hide stolen vehicles and conduct drug deals and had managed to get members of the guerillas into the dorms. According to reports, of the 1,122 people living in one of the University's residences, only 387 were active students and more than 600 had nothing to do with the university.[3]

Venezuelan investigative journalist, Patricia Poleo, who escaped Venezuela and currently lives in Miami says that Mr. Aissami together with others affiliated with Hezbollah, such as Lebanon-born Gahzi Nasserddine, currently the Business Liaison at the Venezuelan embassy in Damascus, and his brother, Ghasan Atef Salameh Nasserddi, are in charge of recruiting young Venezuelan Arabs affiliated with the 'Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela' or PSUV (Chavez's Socialist Party), to be sent to South Lebanon for combat training in Hezbollah camps preparing them for 'asymmetrical war' against the United States. Once back in Venezuela, they are greeted by radical members of the Venezuelan Socialist Party affiliated with UNEFA (the university run by the Armed Forces) and the Universidad Bolivariana de Venezuela (Venezuelan Bolivarian University) and continue with their training in firearms, explosives and munitions. The training camps are located in the states of Monagas, Miranda, el Páramo, Falcon, Yaracuy, Yumare, and Trujillo and the districts of Maturin, Los Teques, El Jari, Churuguara and Sierra de San Luis. These groups and individuals are supervised by the Hezbollah Organization in Venezuela, along with al-Qaeda Iraqis currently living in the country and by the Palestinian Democratic Front, headed by Salid Ahmed Rahman, whose office is located in Caracas's Central Park.[4]

SNIP

184 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:44:39am

Attorneys general in 14 states sue to block healthcare reform law


State attorneys general wasted no time filing legal challenges to President Obama’s healthcare reform law, swinging into action with legal filings in Florida and Virginia within minutes of the White House signing ceremony on Tuesday.


[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

185 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:45:12am

One of my favourite S&Gs
The Boxer

186 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:46:15am

Speaking of thugs, Kim Jong Il might throw off his mortal coil soon.

The North Korean leader Kim Jong Il is suffering from kidney failure which requires dialysis and also has partial paralysis following a 2008 stroke, according to the head of a South Korean state research institute.

Nam Sung-Wook, director of the Institute for National Security Strategy, said the paleness of Mr Kim's fingernails indicates the 68-year-old leader has chronic kidney disease.

The institute has links to South Korea's National Intelligence Service. Mr Nam's remarks, in a speech at a Seoul forum, were quoted by South Korea’s Yonhap news agency and were confirmed by the organisers of the event.

"Chairman Kim Jong-Il is suffering from diabetes and high blood pressure and we believe he is undergoing kidney dialysis every two weeks," Mr Nam said. "[The pale colour of] his nails indicates he has chronic kidney failure."

SNIP

187 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:48:54am

re: #184 RogueOne

Attorneys general in 14 states sue to block healthcare reform law


[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

Symbolic at best

The way to proceed is to disect the bill and try to repeal individual portions of it. There was enough opposition on the dem side to sections of it that you may get them back on board to strike out the more distasteful portions of it
(imho)

188 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:51:00am

Half of the time we're gone but we don't know where...

189 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:56:26am

Cuban-American music star Gloria Estefan, indignant over the “aggression and harassment” that relatives of political prisoners on the communist-ruled island have suffered, announced plans for a march here in support of the group known as the Ladies in White.

The singer urged all organizations representing Miami’s large Cuban exile community to participate in Thursday’s march in the city’s Little Havana neighborhood.

“Cubans and non-Cubans alike that live in liberty need to take the opportunity at this moment in history to come together and show them that we care,” Estefan said at a press conference that was broadcast live to Cuba via U.S. government-funded Radio Marti.

The invitation was extended to Colombian superstar Juanes and the artists who joined him on stage last fall in Havana for his “Peace Without Borders Concert.”

Cuban authorities used force last week to break up a march by the Ladies in White marking the seventh anniversary of the “Black Spring” of 2003, when the communist government arrested and jailed 75 dissidents, 53 of whom remain behind the bars.


SNIP

190 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:56:35am

re: #187 sattv4u2

Symbolic at best

The way to proceed is to disect the bill and try to repeal individual portions of it. There was enough opposition on the dem side to sections of it that you may get them back on board to strike out the more distasteful portions of it
(imho)

Probably. OTOH, the lawsuit filed in MI makes a good point:


A third lawsuit, in Michigan

In addition to the two state lawsuits, the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., filed a lawsuit in Michigan..........

“Let’s face it, if Congress has the power to force individuals to purchase health insurance coverage or pay a federal penalty merely because they live in America, then it has the unconstrained power to mandate that every American family buy a General Motors vehicle to help the economy or pay a federal penalty.”

It's a good point because you know if they thought they could get away with it, they would.

191 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 3:58:43am
192 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:01:07am

European governments illegally subsidized Airbus, allowing it to overtake Boeing and become the world's largest commercial airplane company, the World Trade Organization found in a final ruling Tuesday that could have trans-Atlantic repercussions, lawmakers who were briefed on the decision said.

The ruling, which upheld interim findings released last September, will remain confidential for several months, but it was delivered to the Office of the U.S. Trade

Representative and its European counterpart.

"Today's final ruling puts any doubts to rest — launch aid is an illegal subsidy that has cost America jobs, hurt our ability to compete and damaged our overall economy," Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said in a statement after being briefed.

Also briefed was Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., who said later that the WTO had concluded that Airbus "could not have achieved the growth of market share — harming U.S. workers — without its pattern of illegal assistance.

"The ruling validates the U.S. government's long-standing contention that the European Union governments were utilizing this improper launch aid to steal American jobs, and it provides compelling evidence that we should use to demand Airbus begin playing by the rules," Dicks said.

The Europeans are expected to appeal.

SNIP

193 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:03:05am

re: #190 RogueOne

It's a good point because you know if they thought they could get away with it, they would.

The metaphor is mixing apples and oranges

The 'other" side will counter that having a car or a healthy economy is not a 'right", now that they have it ingrained in the psyche of the electorate that health care IS a 'right'

195 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:03:56am

My hope is we'll look to our friends who have implemented a plan like this to figure out how they've managed to do so well by keeping the waiting time around 110 days to see a doctor and almost being able to guarantee an appointment won't take longer than 18 weeks:

[Link: www.nhs.uk...]


The NHS has achieved the shortest waiting times since its records began, the Department of Health said today.

It also said it had met its “18 weeks” waiting time target, whereby patients referred from a GP for further treatment start that treatment within 18 weeks. The target became the operational standard for the NHS from January 1 2009. Today’s announcement confirms that the deadline was met.

The average wait for treatment for patients admitted to hospital is now just 8.6 weeks. Outpatients waited an average of 4.6 weeks at January 2009, compared to 7.4 weeks at August 2007

196 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:04:54am

If the Constitution is somehow perverted to find a "right" to Internet access, won't that mean that people also have a "right" to free computers?

197 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:06:30am

re: #195 RogueOne

Eighteen weeks??? Rapidly metastasizing cancer can spread out of control in that time.

199 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:08:11am

re: #197 MandyManners

My ex-best friend's grandpa was diagnosed with cancer two weeks ago. He died within five days.

200 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:09:37am

re: #197 MandyManners

Eighteen weeks??? Rapidly metastasizing cancer can spread out of control in that time.

yeah ,, but at least you'll have your own dentures and won't have to wait til your sister passes away and take hers!!
///

201 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:10:10am

re: #193 sattv4u2

The metaphor is mixing apples and oranges

The 'other" side will counter that having a car or a healthy economy is not a 'right", now that they have it ingrained in the psyche of the electorate that health care IS a 'right'

Why do you hate children and retirees? Manufacturing is the cornerstone of our economy with the related auto industries contributing 15% of that base. Without those jobs and their retirement and health care plans your grandma will be eating catfood while our children are going to have to get jobs in a chinese clothing plant. This is a national security issue and it's for the children. If it saves just one life.....etc, etc.

202 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:10:17am

Instead of Jon and Edward dressed as the Ghostbusters, it featured a single woman covered from head to toe in black, declaiming traditional Arabic poetry from a podium. And rather than Cheryl Cole or Dannii Minogue in a revealing designer outfit, the judging panel consists of five sober-looking men with bushy moustaches, and a similarly all-male audience.

The X Factor it isn't – but Abu Dhabi's live poetry talent contest, The Million's Poet, which is broadcast across the Arab world, features something far more subversive than its British equivalent could ever manage.

Tonight, Hissa Hilal, a mother-of-four from Saudi Arabia, takes to the stage in the last round of a competition that she has taken by storm with a scathing critique of the conservative clerics who hold sway in her country. Her poetry has earned her the praise of the judges, the acclaim of the viewing public – and more than a few death threats.

Ms Hilal earned her place in the final with a performance last week, which was seen as a response to a prominent Saudi cleric's call for those who advocated the mingling of men and women to be punished with death. In a 15-verse work, she railed against preachers who "sit in the position of power", "frightening" people with their religious edicts.

"I have seen evil in the eyes of fatwas, at a time when the permitted is being twisted into the forbidden," she said, with only her microphone and her eyes visible against the uniform black of her burqa. The clerics, she went on – and, by extension, suicide bombers who wrap explosives around their waists – "are vicious in voice, barbaric, angry and blind, wearing death as a robe cinched with a belt".

SNIP

I can see her eyelids--STONE HER!

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:10:32am

re: #197 MandyManners

Gene Upshaw (former NFL player) was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on a Thursday, died on a Sunday. IIRC.

204 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:10:52am

re: #198 Taqyia2Me

Give 'ol Hugo another hug why doncha, Barry from DC!

Sean hearts Hugo.

205 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:11:31am

re: #199 TheMatrix31

My ex-best friend's grandpa was diagnosed with cancer two weeks ago. He died within five days.

Sounds like immediate treatment would not have saved him but, your point is well taken.

206 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:11:48am

re: #200 sattv4u2

yeah ,, but at least you'll have your own dentures and won't have to wait til your sister passes away and take hers!!
///

Ick.

207 sandbox  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:12:25am

re: #194 MandyManners

I'm with Gloria. She can also speak out against the Hollywood idiots like Sean Penn, Danny Glover and others who support the Cuban Communist dictatorship.

208 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:12:27am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gene Upshaw (former NFL player) was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on a Thursday, died on a Sunday. IIRC.

Pacreatic cancer has a dismal survival rate.

209 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:12:29am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gene Upshaw (former NFL player) was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on a Thursday, died on a Sunday. IIRC.

Why d'ja change your avatar?

210 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:12:58am

re: #207 sandbox

I'm with Gloria. She can also speak out against the Hollywood idiots like Sean Penn, Danny Glover and others who support the Cuban Communist dictatorship.

I know that Sean loves Hugo but, does Glover?

211 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:13:42am

re: #205 MandyManners

Yeah, he was definitely beyond treatment, but the point is that eighteen weeks is way too f'n long to wait on anything health-related. A third of a year!

212 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:13:56am

re: #204 MandyManners

Sean hearts Hugo.

Sean kneels at the ready, eagerly waiting the next opportunity to fellate his thug du'jour.

213 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:15:20am

re: #212 Taqyia2Me

Sean kneels at the ready, eagerly waiting the next opportunity to fellate his thug du'jour.

Great ,,, now I'll have that mental picture for the rest of the day, you bastard!
/

214 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:15:36am

Apologies to all for my randy thoughts.

215 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:15:36am

Chuck Todd just said someone in the admin said the press is supposed to read between the lines in how they're dealing with the Netanyahu visit. No photo ops this time or last. (A.) They're pissed at Israel and (B.) They want to be seen as an honest broker in the situation

216 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:16:48am

re: #211 TheMatrix31

Yeah, he was definitely beyond treatment, but the point is that eighteen weeks is way too f'n long to wait on anything health-related. A third of a year!

Don't complain, that's an improvement over recent years. Welcome to Health Care, DMV style.

217 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:17:21am

Left wing whackos? WHAT left wing whackos!?!

Thank God they're tolerant of opposing views!!

[Link: www.ctvbc.ctv.ca...]

218 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:18:25am

Headed out folks, enjoy the rest of your day.

219 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:18:47am

re: #211 TheMatrix31

Yeah, he was definitely beyond treatment, but the point is that eighteen weeks is way too f'n long to wait on anything health-related. A third of a year!

Yes, it is.

220 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:19:10am

re: #212 Taqyia2Me

Sean kneels at the ready, eagerly waiting the next opportunity to fellate his thug du'jour.

You have a marvelous way with words.

221 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:19:59am

re: #216 RogueOne

Don't complain, that's an improvement over recent years. Welcome to Health Care, DMV style.

I got the renewal notice for my drivers' license for my birthday like 3 months ago. I kept putting it off because I had absolutely no desire to deal with the DMV. California DMVs are absolutely BRUTAL. So two hours ago, I look at the notice, and realize I can do it online if I haven't changed my address. Silly me.

But the point is how poorly the DMV is run, and the stigma it has. If we're headed to that, we're fucked.

222 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:20:46am

Government prosecutors in the United States are considering weapons charges against former executives at Blackwater Worldwide over allegations the private security company illegally stockpiled automatic rifles at its headquarters, reports AP.

Senior Justice Department officials are reviewing a draft indictment against former president Gary Jackson, former Blackwater general counsel Andrew Howell, and a third man who used to work at the firm’s armoury, people close to the case said. A decision is not expected until at least next month.

Blackwater has repeatedly been under federal scrutiny — from the FBI to Congress to agencies that have hired the firm.

While some of the company’s guards have faced charges for their actions overseas, Blackwater’s executives have managed to weather a range of investigations.

SNIP

223 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:20:47am

re: #221 TheMatrix31

Oh, and to top it all off, they charged me 30 bucks just to renew.

A) That's absurd.

B) I wonder how that compares to other states.

C) California sucks regardless.

224 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:21:18am

Court Rules That Mississippi School Violated First Amendment Rights Of Lesbian Student

n the 12-page ruling, the court wrote, “The record shows Constance has been openly gay since eighth grade and she intended to communicate a message by wearing a tuxedo and to express her identity through attending prom with a same-sex date. The Court finds this expression and communication of her viewpoint is the type of speech that falls squarely within the purview of the First Amendment. The Court is also of the opinion that the motive behind the School Board's cancellation of the prom, or withdrawal of their sponsorship, was Constance’s requests and the ACLU’s demand letter sent on her behalf.” Further, the court says that since the school represented the private prom being organized by parents at a furniture store as open to all students, then the court expects that event will indeed invite McMillen and her girlfriend.

ACLU, U MAGNIFICENT BASTARDS!

225 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:22:18am

re: #224 iceweasel

Court Rules That Mississippi School Violated First Amendment Rights Of Lesbian Student

ACLU, U MAGNIFICENT BASTARDS!

They were 100% right on this one

((broken clock, and all that!!))

:)

226 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:23:22am

re: #220 MandyManners

You have a marvelous way with words.

Sorry, it's a 'gift'...I'll try to keep it suitable for PG audiences in the future.

227 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:24:33am

re: #223 TheMatrix31

Oh, and to top it all off, they charged me 30 bucks just to renew.

A) That's absurd.

B) I wonder how that compares to other states.

C) California sucks regardless.

$30 is reasonable, imho

Georgia is $30 (good for 5 years, I beleive)

Massachusetts was $25 when I last renewed there some 12 years ago

I do think that as an incentive if you do it online they should give you a discount though

228 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:26:51am

re: #225 sattv4u2

They were 100% right on this one

((broken clock, and all that!!))

:)

No doubt, right this time. Their defense of NAMBLA did not help their cause at all .

229 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:27:02am

Donor organizations to the Palestinian Authority have been challenged for years to prevent their well-intentioned contributions from being directed towards hate promotion by the PA, its institutions and its NGOs.

This advertisement is another example of the misuse of UN funding. An ad by a Palestinian youth organization, PYALARA, which is funded by UNICEF, shows an ax destroying a Star of David. The UNICEF logo is right on the ad. The large Star of David that has been destroyed has on it pictures of stars and stripes, presumably representing the USA, and an additional smaller Star of David.

The organization PYALARA (Palestinian Youth Association for Leadership and Rights Activation) has been funded by UNICEF since the year 2000: "PYALARA has been chosen by UNICEF as a major strategic partner in Palestine." [PYALARA website]

On the ax that destroys the Star of David is the word: "Boycott!" in the imperative tense. Youth are invited to watch the PA TV program calling for a boycott of Israel. In the program the host acknowledges that they are aware that the boycott is illegal but they have chosen to ignore this:

"We know that the Palestinian Authority is tied to a number of agreements that prohibit it from completely boycotting Israel... we call upon all the youth, to all the residents, to all businesses and stores, to completely boycott the Israeli goods in their stores."
The program started as follows: "The program Speak Up has decided to dedicate this program to a theme which is a national obligation upon each of us - the topic of boycotting Israel in all ways."

HASSAN CHOP.

230 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:27:18am

re: #226 Taqyia2Me

Sorry, it's a 'gift'...I'll try to keep it suitable for PG audiences in the future.

You're no fun.

231 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:31:30am

A final present for the wingnuts and haters this very fine morning:

1,000 Words: Home Alone Edition

H/T to Christopher Roughton, who alerted me (via Twitter) to this AP Photo. It shows House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence and Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers holding a Capitol Hill news conference today on health care legislation:

The picture does tell a thousand words. :)

Enjoy!

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:35:38am

re: #224 iceweasel

Agreed.

233 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:36:22am

When U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan ran the Chicago Public Schools for the boss of Chicago, he kept a secret list of those who hoped to clout children into the city's top-tier public schools.

"We didn't want to advertise what we were doing because we didn't want a bunch of people calling," CPS official David Pickens admitted to Tribune reporters Azam Ahmed and Stephanie Banchero, who broke the story.

So the schools kept a clout list. But they didn't want nobody nobody sent hassling them with calls.

And once again, the bright road that is the Chicago Way is paved with shiny bricks for all to see.

SNIP

234 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:36:56am

re: #231 iceweasel

A final present for the wingnuts and haters this very fine morning:

1,000 Words: Home Alone Edition

The picture does tell a thousand words. :)

Enjoy!

I'm willing to wager that their approval ratings are higher than 8 or 11%~!

235 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:39:06am

re: #231 iceweasel

A final present for the wingnuts and haters this very fine morning:

1,000 Words: Home Alone Edition

Press conference boycotted by dem lib MSM?

The picture does tell a thousand words. :)

Enjoy!

236 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:40:12am

re: #231 iceweasel

A final present for the wingnuts and haters this very fine morning:

1,000 Words: Home Alone Edition

The picture does tell a thousand words. :)

Enjoy!

Press conference boycotted by dem lib MSM?

237 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:41:24am

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Agreed.

What does the picture say to you?

238 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:41:35am

For the past three years, the Shabab, one of Africa’s most fearsome militant Islamist groups, have been terrorizing the Somali public, chopping off hands, stoning people to death and banning TV, music and even bras in their quest to turn Somalia into a seventh-century-style Islamic state.

At the same time, they have drawn increasingly close to Al Qaeda, deploying suicide bombers, attracting jihadists from around the world and prompting American concerns that they may be spreading into Kenya, Yemen and beyond.

But could Somalia finally be reaching a tipping point against the Shabab?

Not only is Somalia’s transitional government gearing up for a major offensive against the Shabab — with the American military providing intelligence and logistical support — but Mogadishu’s beleaguered population, sensing a change in the salt-sticky air, is beginning to turn against them.

Women who have been whipped and humiliated by morality police for not veiling their faces are now whispering valuable secrets about the Shabab’s movements into the ears of government soldiers. Teenage students outraged that Shabab-allied fighters hoisted a black flag in front of their school recently pelted the fighters with stones. Defectors are leaving the Shabab in droves, including one 13-year-old who said that he was routinely drugged before being handed a machine gun and shoved into combat.

SNIP

239 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:42:37am

Well, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. (me) I don't even know if I have to work today. ( I'm not supposta, but I might haveta)

240 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:42:55am

Gotta get going.
Laters gators.

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:44:16am

re: #237 Spare O'Lake

I was responding that poor girl in Mississippi.

The picture? Says nothing. Common in DC.

Pressers to rooms of empty chairs happen almost daily, unless major players are there.

But, many will interpret it (on both sides) as validation that they hates the other side.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:46:27am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really, it's not fair. Obama gets to bring Biden to his pressers. Almost guaranteed it's going to be a "big fucking deal".

(snicker) (not offended) (moment of candor)

243 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:48:26am

Morning Lizards.

244 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:50:22am

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

(((CCA)))

245 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:50:36am

re: #240 Spare O'Lake

Have a great day!

246 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:50:48am

re: #243 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizards.

How's tricks?

247 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:53:23am

re: #246 MandyManners

How's tricks?

Come again?

248 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:54:05am

re: #247 thedopefishlives

Come again?

That'll cost extra!

250 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:54:54am

re: #247 thedopefishlives

Come again?

How are you doing this glorious morning?

251 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:55:22am

re: #249 Taqyia2Me

RICO

Scratching backs.

252 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:56:35am

re: #250 MandyManners

How are you doing this glorious morning?

I'm doing fine, actually. I learned yesterday that, thanks to some savings in the work budget on other tasks, we will be able to re-carpet the entirety of our new house, which cheered me quite a bit.

253 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:57:43am

re: #251 MandyManners

Scratching backs.

Misappropriation of tax (read: our) dollars.

254 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:58:39am

re: #252 thedopefishlives

I'm doing fine, actually. I learned yesterday that, thanks to some savings in the work budget on other tasks, we will be able to re-carpet the entirety of our new house, which cheered me quite a bit.

Nothing like bare feet in some shag.

255 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:59:18am

re: #252 thedopefishlives

I'm doing fine, actually. I learned yesterday that, thanks to some savings in the work budget on other tasks, we will be able to re-carpet the entirety of our new house, which cheered me quite a bit.

Keep you wamer in the winter and cooler in the summer.

256 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:59:45am

re: #253 Taqyia2Me

Misappropriation of tax (read: our) dollars.

Not mine.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:02am

re: #252 thedopefishlives

New house? How nouveau riche.

FIND THE FISH! TAX THE FISH INTO SUBMISSION!

258 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:04am

re: #253 Taqyia2Me

Misappropriation of tax (read: our) dollars.

Notice, though, where Duncan is now.

259 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:10am

re: #255 MandyManners

Keep you wamer in the winter and cooler in the summer.

Kinda like a fat chick. Wait, what?

260 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:32am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nothing like bare feet in some shag.

I don't know anyone who does the deed wearing socks.

261 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:42am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

New house? How nouveau riche.

FIND THE FISH! TAX THE FISH INTO SUBMISSION!

Oh, don't worry. I'm rapidly approaching the next tax bracket above me.

262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:45am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nothing like bare feet in some shag.

That what you kinky kids are calling it these days?

263 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:00:59am

re: #259 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kinda like a fat chick. Wait, what?

*whackwhack*

264 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:01:36am

re: #261 thedopefishlives

Oh, don't worry. I'm rapidly approaching the next tax bracket above me.

Spread the wealth.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:01:54am

re: #264 MandyManners

Spread the wealth.

It is only fair.

266 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:02:00am

re: #264 MandyManners

Spread the wealth.

Gotta pay my fair share of the health care I don't really have any use for, after all.

267 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:03:02am

My radio just had a congresscritter saying HCR will bring down prescription cost for seniors. Funny, thought Medicare part "D" did that.

268 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:03:38am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is only fair.

It's for the chillldrennn.

269 gegenkritik  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:03:40am

Something interesting about the American-Iranian-Council:
Some weeks ago, Charles and I had a dispute about Obamas decision to cut the aid for Iranian Opposition groups (most of this support was established by Bush).
While I critizised this decision (like several Republicans did, including John McCain), Charles pointed out that the AIC actually supported Obamas decision, which I countered, saying that the AIC is not an opposition-group.

Well, here's something I overlooked: See the Leadership of the AIC here. The first person mentioned under "Board of Directors" is Hooshang Amirahmadi Ph.D. Professor, Rutgers University, Founder and President, AIC.

Here is his official website.
And here you can see a nice picture of Mr. Amirahmadi together with one of his friends (you might know him). (See also this text about AICs support for the Mullahregime).

Conclusion: If anyone tells you, that Obamas decision to cut the aid for Iranian opposition groups was a good deal, because the AIC supported this, be skeptical.

270 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:05:38am

re: #266 thedopefishlives

Gotta pay my fair share of the health care I don't really have any use for, after all.

Why, you selfish bourgeois!

271 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:05:58am

I applied for a job last night that wanted a job salary history. I basically told them it was none of their fucking business. Not in so many words, but I think I did the right thing.

272 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:06:46am

re: #269 gegenkritik

Because no politician nor activist group has EVER played both ends from the middle!!

{sigh}!

273 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:07:14am

re: #269 gegenkritik

How are you today?

274 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:07:20am

re: #272 sattv4u2

Because no politician nor activist group has EVER played both ends from the middle!!

{sigh}!

Triangulate!!!

275 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:07:40am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

I applied for a job last night that wanted a job salary history. I basically told them it was none of their fucking business. Not in so many words, but I think I did the right thing.

What? Why?

276 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:08:34am

re: #275 MandyManners

What? Why?

No idea. If I told them what I made in my mid-20's they would shit.

277 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:09:21am

re: #258 MandyManners

Notice, though, where Duncan is now.

Ah yes! Their shitcanning of the DC voucher program is what they call in poker playing world a 'tell'.

278 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:10:10am

re: #275 MandyManners

What? Why?

My best guess is that they'd have an idea how low of an offer they could make without looking like a bunch of cheap bastards. If you ask me, that's a scumbag thing to do - the proper inquiry is to ask the potential employee for an intended salary range.

279 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:10:14am

re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar

No idea. If I told them what I made in my mid-20's they would shit.

I've never applied for a job that did not require a salary history.

280 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:10:51am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

I applied for a job last night that wanted a job salary history. I basically told them it was none of their fucking business. Not in so many words, but I think I did the right thing.

Not really

As a former small business owner, I asked that of all applicants

If they expected and recieved in the past way more than I had budgeted for that position, more often than not I didn't pursue that candidate any longer (used too, until too many of them rejected my offer because of that and I figured I was wasting my time)

OTOH,, if the applicant was making way (or marginally) less than my budget allowed, I could do one of three things

A) Offer him what he was used too
B) Offer him what I had budgeted
C) Meet somewhere north of the middle making both sides happy

(I most often opted for "C")

281 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:10:58am

re: #277 Taqyia2Me

Ah yes! Their shitcanning of the DC voucher program is what they call in poker playing world a 'tell'.

Shove the middle and lower classes into shitty schools but give the upper classes a pass.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:11:01am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is a legendary college resume sent by some guy... might be a joke... but damn funny.

I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently.

Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row. I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.

Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.

I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat 400.

My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me. I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations with the CIA.

I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid.

On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prize-winning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin.

I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.

But I have yet to go to college

Try it.

283 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:11:33am

re: #278 thedopefishlives

My best guess is that they'd have an idea how low of an offer they could make without looking like a bunch of cheap bastards. If you ask me, that's a scumbag thing to do - the proper inquiry is to ask the potential employee for an intended salary range.

I was questioning why CCA refused to give one.

But, I agree with your point.

284 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:12:11am

Gotta' git.

285 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:13:15am

re: #280 sattv4u2

I know what my position should make. And they had a salary offer in the Ad. I would also know more when knowing the place, size and intake of funds.

286 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:16:21am

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saved. And I will use it. I have a job, so I don't need to be to serious. And I hate people with sticks in their asses.

287 gegenkritik  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:17:23am

re: #273 MandyManners

Fine, thanks. And you?

288 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:17:55am

re: #283 MandyManners

I was questioning why CCA refused to give one.

But, I agree with your point.

I thought you were asking why they would ask. My bad. Fuck 'em.

289 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:22:14am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know what my position should make. And they had a salary offer in the Ad. I would also know more when knowing the place, size and intake of funds.

And I know what MY position should "make"

Doesn't mean the company that has a job opening agrees, though!

(nor do they have too)

290 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:24:03am

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Repeat post.

In advance of The Early Morning Wingnut Hour with your host, Mandy Mannerless, may I just say snot urps, I mean

That is all ye need to read.

Enough of the Bully crap....

I'm only seeing this being constantly pushed by one side here folks. Let's stop with the personal attacks and get along - if that's what you really want that is.

291 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:27:06am

re: #289 sattv4u2

And I know what MY position should "make"

Doesn't mean the company that has a job opening agrees, though!

(nor do they have too)

They offered between 40 and 50K. About right. I was actually making that 16 years ago.

292 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:27:28am

re: #290 Ericus58

Enough of the Bully crap...

I'm only seeing this being constantly pushed by one side here folks. Let's stop with the personal attacks and get along - if that's what you really want that is.

Seconded.

293 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:35:47am

re: #292 Taqyia2Me

Seconded.

Thirdeded

294 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:38:20am

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

They offered between 40 and 50K. About right. I was actually making that 16 years ago.

can't really go by that

Different times ,, different rules

25 years ago I was making much more than I am today (self employed ,, multiple small business owner)
15 years ago, I was making less than today (still self employed , still owned several small businesses)

295 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:38:23am

re: #290 Ericus58

re: #292 Taqyia2Me

re: #293 sattv4u2

Funny. Only happens when Charles is away. And I'm not picking on anyone. Just a lot of slamming recently.

296 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:39:04am

re: #294 sattv4u2

can't really go by that

Different times ,, different rules

25 years ago I was making much more than I am today (self employed ,, multiple small business owner)
15 years ago, I was making less than today (still self employed , still owned several small businesses)

They had a salary offer.

297 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:42:00am

Good Morning, everyone!

298 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:44:17am

re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #292 Taqyia2Me

re: #293 sattv4u2

Funny. Only happens when Charles is away. And I'm not picking on anyone. Just a lot of slamming recently.

I hadn't noticed that part of it.
It's distasteful, but there's only one person that can actually "do" something about it.
Like Ericus, if I "see" it happening, I'll make a comment (as a few did at the beginning of this thread) but beyond that we're really powerless.

299 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:44:23am

re: #191 MandyManners

Sing it, Gloria.


[Video]

I have always loved this gal... and a great song. Oh the memories of it pounding from the speakers in the clubs...

300 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:44:37am

And dig this. I am about to lose my house, maybe. I had a meeting with my lawyer and the banks lawyer, but the bank guy couldn't make it. It was to be rescheduled a week later. That was 2 months ago. I got a letter from my bank wanting to discuss me keeping the house. I be confused.

301 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:45:00am

Obama vs McCain .... Round #2
=========================
Did the old warhorse McCain overplay his hand when he said "no cooperation with the Dems the rest of this year?" I think Obama is about to put him to the test on immigration where McCain might be seen as flip flopping for blatantly political reasons. Does McCain see it coming? And if he does, is there a "plan B" in his mind as a counter strategy?

302 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:46:18am

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

And dig this. I am about to lose my house, maybe. I had a meeting with my lawyer and the banks lawyer, but the bank guy couldn't make it. It was to be rescheduled a week later. That was 2 months ago. I got a letter from my bank wanting to discuss me keeping the house. I be confused.

The bank doesn't "want" your house any more than you want to lose it

Keep the lines of communication open and try ANY creative alternatives

303 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:48:42am

re: #302 sattv4u2

The bank doesn't "want" your house any more than you want to lose it

Keep the lines of communication open and try ANY creative alternatives

Agreed. But my lawyer kinda made a bleak assessment of the situation. I think the courts are to backed up to move quickly. I have a job now and no bills. So I can afford the place again.:)

304 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:49:34am

re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agreed. But my lawyer kinda made a bleak assessment of the situation. I think the courts are to backed up to move quickly. I have a job now and no bills. So I can afford the place again.:)

Beautiful! *high fives CCA*

305 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:49:43am

For the record, office politics suck.

306 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:51:10am

re: #305 thedopefishlives

For the record, office politics suck.

Call the girl a whore and the guy a whore-monger. Keeps them away. (I have never worked in an office)

307 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:52:06am

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

They don't want the burden of the house. Also, missing that meeting was an ass thing to do of the bank guy.

There's a lot of churn in the bank industry right now. If you can renegotiate to a doable payment plan, try to get it nailed down in writing. Make sure it's actually doable, though, or else you just prolong the period you pay them money before they take the house.

Best of luck, man, that really sucks.

308 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:52:15am

re: #304 SteveC

Beautiful! *high fives CCA*

I just moved my fridge, washer and stove to the parents house because they are moving!! MY HEAD HURTS!!!

309 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:52:32am

re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT ,,, you've got, (or shortly will have ) mail

310 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:53:00am

re: #309 sattv4u2

OT ,,, you've got, (or shortly will have ) mail

K

311 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:53:24am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

Call the girl a whore and the guy a whore-monger. Keeps them away. (I have never worked in an office)

Imply that lately, the only thing she has had between her legs uses batteries!

312 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:53:41am

re: #307 Obdicut

I actually have a good feeling about this. Weird.

313 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:55:02am

re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just moved my fridge, washer and stove to the parents house because they are moving!! MY HEAD HURTS!!!

You have to go how far to get a beer?!?!

314 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:55:29am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

(I have never worked in an office)

I can tell. Heh.

315 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:56:27am

re: #313 SteveC

You have to go how far to get a beer?!?!

Actually, closer here than at my house. A mile total, maybe. Cake. Mmmmm.

316 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:57:30am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, if you can afford the place again, it's good for the bank too. They don't really want to wind up owning the house, not in this damn market.

I hope the good feeling transmutes into a good reality.

317 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:57:59am

I love this blog. Smart people here. Can't wait 'til they show up.
///

318 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:59:05am

re: #316 Obdicut

Well, if you can afford the place again, it's good for the bank too. They don't really want to wind up owning the house, not in this damn market.

This is actually how I wound up buying my house. The bank may not have been terribly happy with the terms I asked for, but they were just desperate enough to get rid of the property that they agreed to it just to get it off their hands and make it Somebody Else's Problem.

319 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:59:25am

re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, closer here than at my house. A mile total, maybe. Cake. Mmmm.

I walked a mile and a half to buy chips and a Coke once. But I was in college and (as you may correctly assume) stupid.

320 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:00:56am

re: #317 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love this blog. Smart people here. Can't wait 'til they show up.
///

OK, that's it! You wanna go there.... *Drops the gloves*

//Just kiddin' :)

321 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:01:02am

Morning Lizards!

Adorable picture of the day.

How's Life? Everyone cured?

322 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:02:44am

re: #309 sattv4u2

OT ,,, you've got, (or shortly will have ) mail

Got it. Agreed.

323 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:03:39am

re: #321 ggt

Morning Lizards!

How's Life? Everyone cured?

No, I'm still Drain Bamaged.

324 garhighway  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:04:09am

re: #221 TheMatrix31

I got the renewal notice for my drivers' license for my birthday like 3 months ago. I kept putting it off because I had absolutely no desire to deal with the DMV. California DMVs are absolutely BRUTAL. So two hours ago, I look at the notice, and realize I can do it online if I haven't changed my address. Silly me.

But the point is how poorly the DMV is run, and the stigma it has. If we're headed to that, we're fucked.

It sounds to me like the point is that you aren't a careful reader. The DMV provided a fast, easy, efficient way to renew your license.

But they're evil.

325 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:04:29am

re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar

Got it. Agreed.

{sigh}

326 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:05:19am

re: #321 ggt

Morning Lizards!

Adorable picture of the day.

How's Life? Everyone cured?

Tell that to the guy that has to clean up the poop!

327 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:06:02am

re: #324 garhighway

It sounds to me like the point is that you aren't a careful reader. The DMV provided a fast, easy, efficient way to renew your license.

But they're evil.

In Florida, you need a nirth certifikate, second form of ID and a utility bill to prove residency.

328 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:08:30am

re: #325 sattv4u2

{sigh}

People last night were kinda making fun of the South last night. Ignorance knows no boundaries.

329 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:10:16am

re: #326 sattv4u2

Tell that to the guy that has to clean up the poop!

Ok, how about this one?

330 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:12:04am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida, you need a nirth certifikate, second form of ID and a utility bill to prove residency.

But The Conspiracy won't release the Nirth Certifikate! Waaaaa!

331 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:13:43am

re: #330 SteveC

But The Conspiracy won't release the Nirth Certifikate! Waaa!

Alex Jones!! NWO!!! Bilderbergs!!

332 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:20:20am

re: #324 garhighway

It sounds to me like the point is that you aren't a careful reader. The DMV provided a fast, easy, efficient way to renew your license.

But they're evil.

Seriously. Personal responsibility, anyone? And California DMVs actually freaking rule these days. They finished up a long redo of the system. The last three encounters I've had with them took a total of an hour.

333 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:21:21am

I don't know if I have to work today or not. I can go to a spring training game. Pirate and Red Sox. My boss thinks the head chef is just gonna quit. This could be good for me.

334 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:22:58am

I tell you, if they had inserted a clause in the new healthcare bill that would have banned all the Mesothelioma ads, I think it would have passed unanimously.

/ Tired of those things.

335 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:24:01am

re: #334 SteveC

I tell you, if they had inserted a clause in the new healthcare bill that would have banned all the Mesothelioma ads, I think it would have passed unanimously.

/ Tired of those things.

But, but that lawyer just "cares" about the people!!!*spit*

336 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:27:24am

News is showing a big snowstorm in the Denver area. But I think Walter said that it was expected.

337 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:27:54am

re: #334 SteveC

I tell you, if they had inserted a clause in the new healthcare bill that would have banned all the Mesothelioma ads, I think it would have passed unanimously.

/ Tired of those things.

Meso is a HUGE money maker for the attorneys.

338 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:29:03am

re: #337 ggt

Meso is a HUGE money maker for the attorneys.

I figured.

339 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:29:15am

re: #329 ggt

Ok, how about this one?

That one doesn't poop !?!?!?

340 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:29:45am

re: #339 sattv4u2

That one doesn't poop !?!?!?

It pittles.

341 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:31:13am

Britain expelled a senior Mossad official at the Israeli embassy today after directly accusing Israel of forging British passports used by a hit squad in Dubai.

The blunt allegation, coupled with parallel investigations by other European countries into possible transgressions by the Mossad, seemed certain to deepen Israel's isolation at a critical moment. It coincided with a visit by Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, to Washington aimed at soothing US anger over Jewish settlement building in Jerusalem.

David Miliband, the foreign secretary, laid out the case against Israel in parliament, saying a police investigation found "compelling reasons" to believe Israel was responsible for the copying of British passports, which were used by the killers of a Hamas leader, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. He said the documents "were copied from genuine British passports when handed over for inspection to individuals linked to Israel, either in Israel or in other countries".

The name of the official was not published. British officials said the diplomat had been asked to leave because of their position at the embassy and was not being accused of direct involvement in the falsification of British passports. The Guardian understands the official is a senior Mossad agent.

SNIP

342 garhighway  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:32:37am

re: #338 SteveC

I figured.

I had read something a while back that "mesothelioma" was the most expensive search word on Google. Plaintiff lawyers have bid up the cost of those ads, figuring that if you are searching about meso, you are a potential high-dollar client.

343 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:32:54am

John Dingell is on my Dbag list.

344 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:34:08am

re: #342 garhighway

I had read something a while back that "mesothelioma" was the most expensive search word on Google. Plaintiff lawyers have bid up the cost of those ads, figuring that if you are searching about meso, you are a potential high-dollar client.

I was a client of a class action lawsuit. (not sure how that happened) I got $2.68.

345 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:34:41am

re: #342 garhighway

The company I used to work for (for about 13 years) was in chapter 11 when I left five years ago, and probably still is. Asbestos litigation is the main reason for that.

347 garhighway  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:35:51am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was a client of a class action lawsuit. (not sure how that happened) I got $2.68.

There is no bigger scam than consumer class actions. Plaintiff lawyers take down huge fees and the class members get squat. Those things are money machines for plaintiff lawyers and accomplish no other useful purpose.

348 bosforus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:36:45am

Sorry if this has been asked and answered but does anyone know why the House votes on HR-3590 don't add up to 435? 219 + 212 = 431. Is there something obvious that I'm missing here?

349 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:36:55am

Ah well,, it's been entertaining (as always)

Heading home for nap time.

overnight shift sure messes with my sleep and eating schedule. Just when I get acclimated to it, i'll be back on days!

350 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:37:06am

The Pope has accepted the resignation of an Irish bishop found to have mishandled allegations of clerical sex abuse in his County Cork diocese.

Bishop John Magee stepped aside in March 2009 after an independent report found his Cloyne Diocese had put children at risk of harm.

"I take full responsibility for the criticism of our management of issues in that report," he said on Wednesday.

SNIP

351 SteveC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:37:22am

Hmm.... PepsiCo is going to be introducing a "Low-sodium Salt" in the next few days. Could reduce the sodium in Lays Potato Chips 25%.

That could be great for my Low Sodium diet - unless they are using Potassium Chloride. That doesn't work well with some of my medications.

Ya'll have a good day - I need to research this, there could be a blog post in here somewhere.

352 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:37:52am

re: #348 bosforus

Sorry if this has been asked and answered but does anyone know why the House votes on HR-3590 don't add up to 435? 219 + 212 = 431. Is there something obvious that I'm missing here?

4 "present" votes, or 4 people that somehow missed the roll call (be it in purpose or not0

353 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:38:06am

re: #348 bosforus

Sorry if this has been asked and answered but does anyone know why the House votes on HR-3590 don't add up to 435? 219 + 212 = 431. Is there something obvious that I'm missing here?

Probably no-votes or "present."

354 Spider Mensch  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:38:11am

re: #334 SteveC

I tell you, if they had inserted a clause in the new healthcare bill that would have banned all the Mesothelioma ads, I think it would have passed unanimously.

/ Tired of those things.


I read that's what Merlin Olsen, famous football player, TV actor, announcer, ad man, etc.., died from. I'll have to peruse some articles on how he contracted that. I thought you could only get mesothelioma from asbestos over exposure? How would a man like Merlin Olsen be exposed that much to asbestos...guess it's time to enter the google world again!!

355 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:38:11am

re: #347 garhighway

There is no bigger scam than consumer class actions. Plaintiff lawyers take down huge fees and the class members get squat. Those things are money machines for plaintiff lawyers and accomplish no other useful purpose.

Oh, but they help to re-write, set precedence, serve justice, make sure every victim gets their day in court . . . .

356 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:38:46am

Well, we got over a foot of snow overnight, good thing is it's dry snow, down hill in Denver, they got about 8 inches of extremely wet snow...

Still snowing... should stop about mid day.

357 bosforus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:39:29am

re: #352 sattv4u2

re: #353 Cannadian Club Akbar

The lists I've seen show 0 'present' and 0 'no-vote' counts.

358 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:40:15am

Three ex-inmates of the US detention facility in Guantanamo Bay have been transferred to the ex-Soviet republic of Georgia and two to Switzerland.

US officials gave no details of the three men sent to Georgia but a Georgian minister said they were from the Middle East.

They will be allowed to live freely but may not leave Georgia under the terms of their transfer.

SNIP

ROFLMAO!

359 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:40:36am

re: #351 SteveC

Hmm... PepsiCo is going to be introducing a "Low-sodium Salt" in the next few days. Could reduce the sodium in Lays Potato Chips 25%.

That could be great for my Low Sodium diet - unless they are using Potassium Chloride. That doesn't work well with some of my medications.

Ya'll have a good day - I need to research this, there could be a blog post in here somewhere.

I posted it yesterday.

360 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:41:35am

re: #351 SteveC

Hmm... PepsiCo is going to be introducing a "Low-sodium Salt" in the next few days. Could reduce the sodium in Lays Potato Chips 25%.

That could be great for my Low Sodium diet - unless they are using Potassium Chloride. That doesn't work well with some of my medications.

Ya'll have a good day - I need to research this, there could be a blog post in here somewhere.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

361 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:41:39am

re: #354 Spider Mensch

I read that's what Merlin Olsen, famous football player, TV actor, announcer, ad man, etc.., died from. I'll have to peruse some articles on how he contracted that. I thought you could only get mesothelioma from asbestos over exposure? How would a man like Merlin Olsen be exposed that much to asbestos...guess it's time to enter the google world again!!

I guess some people are really susceptible. Exposure to a neighbors dirty work laundry or some equally as simple thing can be the time they inhale an asbestos fiber.

I did some research some time ago --scary shit!

362 bosforus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:41:48am

re: #357 bosforus

re: #353 Cannadian Club Akbar

The lists I've seen show 0 'present' and 0 'no-vote' counts.

Such as this one:
[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]
Perhaps there are 4 vacant seats right now?

363 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:43:42am

The mother of a Ballard High School student is fuming after the health center on campus helped facilitate her daughter's abortion during school hours.

The mother, whom KOMO News has chosen to identify only as "Jill," says the clinic kept the information "confidential."

When she signed a consent form, Jill figured it meant her 15-year-old could go to the Ballard Teen Health Center located inside the high school for an earache, a sports physical, even birth control, but not for help terminating a pregnancy.

"She took a pregnancy test at school at the teen health center," she said. "Nowhere in this paperwork does it mention abortion or facilitating abortion."

Jill says her daughter, a pro-life advocate, was given a pass, put in a taxi and sent off to have an abortion during school hours, all without her family knowing.


SNIP

364 Spider Mensch  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:43:59am

re: #354 Spider Mensch

I read that's what Merlin Olsen, famous football player, TV actor, announcer, ad man, etc.., died from. I'll have to peruse some articles on how he contracted that. I thought you could only get mesothelioma from asbestos over exposure? How would a man like Merlin Olsen be exposed that much to asbestos...guess it's time to enter the google world again!!

re: #361 ggt

I guess some people are really susceptible. Exposure to a neighbors dirty work laundry or some equally as simple thing can be the time they inhale an asbestos fiber.

I did some research some time ago --scary shit!

I just found my answer...should have looked first...[Link: www.asbestos.net...]

366 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:45:30am

A spurned wife has made her husband’s mistress pay for ruining their marriage — literally — by suing her successfully for $9 million.

Cynthia Shackelford used a centuries-old North Carolina law to sue her husband’s lover, Anne Lundquist, for “alienation of affection”.

A jury ordered Ms Lundquist to pay $5 million (£3.3 million) in compensatory damages and $4 million in punitive damages for breaking up the Shackelfords’ 33-year marriage. “My main message is to all those women out there who might have their eyes on some guy that is married to not come between anybody,” Ms Shackelford told the ABC Good Morning America programme yesterday.

“As long as a couple are living together as man and wife, same house, same bedroom, same bed: lay off.” she said. “My children are devastated. I’m devastated.”

SNIP

367 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:45:55am
368 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:46:27am

re: #366 MandyManners

Cynthia Shackelford? Is Rusty her husband?

369 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:46:35am

re: #365 garhighway

Did she actually read the form?

She signed it so I reckon she did. However, I doubt there's an abortion clause in it or some parents would've raised hell.

370 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:46:47am

I sure wish John Murtha had lived long enough to see the last Marine freed from the outrageous charges of murder.

Marine wins key ruling in Haditha case

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif., March 24 (UPI) -- A judge wants proof that generals did not unduly influence the case of a U.S. Marine charged in the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha, officials said.

In a key ruling Tuesday, Lt. Col. David Jones, a military judge, ordered prosecutors to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that generals did not use what the military calls undue command influence in sending Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, 30, to a court martial.

Jones ruled Wuterich's lawyers had successfully shown there was the possibility such influence had been used against Wuterich, who is charged with manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice in the killings in 2005.

The ruling could lead to the case being dismissed, the Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

Of eight Marines charged in the killings, six have had their cases dismissed and one was found not guilty.

371 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:47:21am

re: #367 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can't take an aspirin at skool but an abortion is OK. Nice.

I believe you can take it if you have parental permission.

372 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:47:43am

re: #366 MandyManners

Love to see a lot more of that. A great deal more. Cheating is the ultimate breach of contract unless you have an open marriage.

373 bosforus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:48:00am

re: #362 bosforus

Such as this one:
[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]
Perhaps there are 4 vacant seats right now?

Ah, found it. Murtha's seat is vacant and three others.

374 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:48:26am

re: #368 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cynthia Shackelford? Is Rusty her husband?

I caught The Kid watching that show once. Ooh. He was not pleased with my little talk.

375 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:48:45am

re: #363 MandyManners

The mother of a Ballard High School student is fuming after the health center on campus helped facilitate her daughter's abortion during school hours.


SNIP

My Wife and I read this yesterday and just looked at each other with the words "WTF!"...
they made the appointment, gave her a pass, paid the taxi... all on school time. And she's 15.....

376 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:49:02am

re: #372 Rightwingconspirator

Love to see a lot more of that. A great deal more. Cheating is the ultimate breach of contract unless you have an open marriage.

The problem is, the other woman did not enter into any contract.

377 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:50:03am

re: #375 Ericus58

My Wife and I read this yesterday and just looked at each other with the words "WTF!"...
they made the appointment, gave her a pass, paid the taxi... all on school time. And she's 15...

The Seattle School District says it doesn't run the health clinics at high schools. Swedish Medical Center runs the clinic at Ballard High and protects the students' privacy.

378 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:51:24am

re: #376 MandyManners

It pays to know who you sleep with. If she had no knowledge then she would not be responsible. He can pay the money. Call it the un marrigae penalty.

379 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:51:32am

The Palestinian Authority appears to have backtracked on its decision to close down 10 TV stations, including a private Christian channel.

The PA had taken the stations off the air, claiming they did not have proper licenses, but announced Wednesday that the networks would be given one month to sort out the issue.

Nevertheless, the owner of the Christian station said he would not reopen the channel until the PA apologizes.

Samir Qumsieh, owner and director of Al-Mahed (Nativity) TV, which was founded in Beit Sahur, near Bethlehem, 14 years ago, condemned the closure, particularly since it coincided with the Easter Holiday season.

He accused the PA of cracking down on freedom of expression.

Qumsieh said PA security officials who raided his station last week told him that the decision to close it down had been made because of the licensing issues.

“It’s strange that they are closing us down now after we have been broadcasting for the past 14 years,” Qumsieh said. “This is a breach of freedom of speech and an attempt to silence the media.”

Al-Mahed TV was the only station in the Palestinian territories that broadcast Christian prayer services. The popular station also had a weekly program called The Gospel and Life. Qumsieh is planning to hold a press conference later this week to demand that the PA rescind its decision.

SNIP

380 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:51:46am

I misplaced some money but I found it. Everyone can stop looking now.
/

381 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:51:49am

re: #377 MandyManners

The Seattle School District says it doesn't run the health clinics at high schools. Swedish Medical Center runs the clinic at Ballard High and protects the students' privacy.

they may say they don't run the clinic, but it's on Public School property.
My Son was born at Swedish.. I've had back surgery there also.
I'm very disappointed in them.

382 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:52:10am

re: #374 MandyManners

I caught The Kid watching that show once. Ooh. He was not pleased with my little talk.

Could be worse. He could be watching Family Guy.

383 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:52:19am

bbiab, worky stuff

384 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:52:25am

re: #369 MandyManners

She signed it so I reckon she did. However, I doubt there's an abortion clause in it or some parents would've raised hell.

Doesn't matter. If the law says that her daughter is old enough to consent and if the law says that her daughter has the right to have medical confidentially, which I believe it does then there isn't much of a leg to stand on. Unless she signed a form that said all medical info would be automatically passed on to the parents then her daughter and the clinic did nothing wrong in terms of anything legal.

385 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:52:25am

My super Liberal mum says it is time to pull the trigger on the Mexican drug cartels.

386 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:53:02am

re: #378 Rightwingconspirator

It pays to know who you sleep with. If she had no knowledge then she would not be responsible. He can pay the money. Call it the un marrigae penalty.

The verdict was against the OW, not against the husband so he's not on the hook.

387 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:53:06am

re: #385 prairiefire

My super Liberal mum says it is time to pull the trigger on the Mexican drug cartels.

As in "kill them"?

388 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:53:30am

re: #381 Ericus58

they may say they don't run the clinic, but it's on Public School property.
My Son was born at Swedish.. I've had back surgery there also.
I'm very disappointed in them.

Send 'em a letter.

389 garhighway  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:53:32am

re: #372 Rightwingconspirator

Love to see a lot more of that. A great deal more. Cheating is the ultimate breach of contract unless you have an open marriage.

Cheating may be the ultimate breach of contract, but your normal remedy for beach of contract is against the other contracting party.

If he's a rat, he pays through the divorce proceedings. Turning domestic squabbles into tort cases is a bad idea. This is one area where more government is a bad idea.

390 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:54:15am

re: #382 Mad Al-Jaffee

Could be worse. He could be watching Family Guy.

I caught him watching that, too. I think that was when I figured out he learned how to disable the parental controls.

391 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:55:05am

re: #382 Mad Al-Jaffee

Could be worse. He could be watching Family Guy.

Gigity!!!

392 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:55:54am

re: #390 MandyManners

I don't think King of the Hill is so bad for kids. It's definitely PG rated, but it's not like South Park. It's really more like an animated sitcom. Any adult humor on it is probably over the heads of most kids, and there's nothing graphic on it.

393 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:56:59am

re: #384 Jadespring

Doesn't matter. If the law says that her daughter is old enough to consent and if the law says that her daughter has the right to have medical confidentially, which I believe it does then there isn't much of a leg to stand on. Unless she signed a form that said all medical info would be automatically passed on to the parents then her daughter and the clinic did nothing wrong in terms of anything legal.

I agree but, it still is a troubling issue.

What if the operation had ruptured something and caused her to hemorraghe? When would her parents have been notified that she was seriously ill? What if she had had complications that night or the next day or two?

394 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:58:21am

re: #387 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Details are vague.

395 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:58:22am

re: #389 garhighway

Cheating may be the ultimate breach of contract, but your normal remedy for beach of contract is against the other contracting party.

If he's a rat, he pays through the divorce proceedings. Turning domestic squabbles into tort cases is a bad idea. This is one area where more government is a bad idea.

Only six other states allow Alienation of Affection suits.

396 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:59:27am

re: #394 prairiefire

Yes. Details are vague.

I love your mum. Fried chicken is on me!! ( not literally)

397 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:01:53am

Rare Oskar Schindler list of Jewish names from World War II on sale for $2.2M

A list that saved hundreds during World War II may earn millions for one collector.

One of only a handful of surviving copies of Oskar Schindler's famous list, which inspired Steven Spielberg's Academy Award-winning 1993 film, is going up for sale for a whopping $2.2 million.

"This has been going on for about two years," Gary Zimet, an upstate New York resident who runs the Web site, momentsintime.com, told the Daily News.

He was approached through his site by the item's owner around 2008. The person told him he bought it directly from the family of Itzhak Stern, who co-authored the famed list of names with Schindler.

The item is dated April 18, 1945, is 13 pages long, and contains 801 names.

The celebrated item will not be auctioned off, Zimet said, at the request of the owner, who does not wish to be indentified. Instead, it will be offered up on a "first come, first serve" basis.

398 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:02:54am

re: #396 Cannadian Club Akbar

I figure if she is feeling that way, then probably about 80% of Americans are as well.

399 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:02:56am

re: #392 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't think King of the Hill is so bad for kids. It's definitely PG rated, but it's not like South Park. It's really more like an animated sitcom. Any adult humor on it is probably over the heads of most kids, and there's nothing graphic on it.

IIRC, he was five at the time.

400 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:03:34am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

One can only hope that such a priceless document like that can be obtained by one of the leading Holocaust museums, like the US Holocaust Museum or Yad Vashem to add to their collections to preserve and present it for all time.

401 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:04:49am

Is anyone following how Ann Coulter was shut down and prevented frm speaking at a Canadian university last night? I am NOT an Ann Coulter fan but this is so wrong.Your text to link...

She was basically shut down for her comment about Muslims. You can attack any group in Canada except Muslims. Her comments were disgusting and awful and don't apply to Muslims in general but the fact that violence and threats of violence were used to shut down her comments show little has changed.

402 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:04:53am

The Palestinian Authority appears to have backtracked on its decision to close down 10 TV stations, including a private Christian channel.

The PA had taken the stations off the air, claiming they did not have proper licenses, but announced Wednesday that the networks would be given one month to sort out the issue.

Nevertheless, the owner of the Christian station said he would not reopen the channel until the PA apologizes.

Samir Qumsieh, owner and director of Al-Mahed (Nativity) TV, which was founded in Beit Sahur, near Bethlehem, 14 years ago, condemned the closure, particularly since it coincided with the Easter Holiday season.

He accused the PA of cracking down on freedom of expression.

Qumsieh said PA security officials who raided his station last week told him that the decision to close it down had been made because of the licensing issues.

“It’s strange that they are closing us down now after we have been broadcasting for the past 14 years,” Qumsieh said. “This is a breach of freedom of speech and an attempt to silence the media.”

Al-Mahed TV was the only station in the Palestinian territories that broadcast Christian prayer services. The popular station also had a weekly program called The Gospel and Life. Qumsieh is planning to hold a press conference later this week to demand that the PA rescind its decision.

SNIP

403 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:05:05am

gotta go,

Have a great morning all!

404 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:05:48am

re: #401 Judith

Is anyone following how Ann Coulter was shut down and prevented frm speaking at a Canadian university last night? I am NOT an Ann Coulter fan but this is so wrong.Your text to link...

She was basically shut down for her comment about Muslims. You can attack any group in Canada except Muslims. Her comments were disgusting and awful and don't apply to Muslims in general but the fact that violence and threats of violence were used to shut down her comments show little has changed.

I wonder who set off the fire alarm.

405 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:06:38am

re: #399 MandyManners

IIRC, he was five at the time.

Did he watch The Simpsons back then? Both have adult humor that kids wouldn't understand.

406 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:06:56am

re: #401 Judith

It is complete bullshit.

407 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:07:09am

Good morning, everyone...Beer?

Yes, it is good to see that skit again...

408 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:07:34am

re: #405 Mad Al-Jaffee

Did he watch The Simpsons back then? Both have adult humor that kids wouldn't understand.

No. I had parental controls in place to keep him away from such. I can only be in one place at one time.

409 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:07:54am

re: #406 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is complete bullshit?

410 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:08:58am

re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar

It ended up in the Healthcare Bill.....


///

411 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:09:22am

re: #408 MandyManners

No. I had parental controls in place to keep him away from such. I can only be in one place at one time.

When he's old enough, you should let him watch King of the Hill. And, eventually, South Park. Also, classic Simpsons. I haven't watched The Simpsons in about ten years because it got so lame. But when it was good, it was the best show on tv.

412 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:09:29am

Of all the disgusting foul horrible things Coulter says, CBC chose to boradcast her comments on Muslims, where she says they shouldn't be allowed to travel and should stick to camels. There was a very clear media attempt to stir up THE one issue/group who are untouchable in Canada.

413 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:10:27am

Bolivia's army has begun using the revolutionary motto "Fatherland or death, we shall overcome!", angering some conservative former generals.

President Evo Morales introduced the slogan, which was popularised by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara - the leaders of the Cuban communist revolution.

It is seen as part of Mr Morales' effort to turn the army into guarantors of his socialist revolution.

Bolivian troops executed Che Guevara, who led rebels there in 1967.

SNIP

414 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:10:46am

re: #409 Judith

What is complete bullshit?

The lack of Freedom of Speech. And funny how the left speaks of freedoms but shuts down conservative speakers.

415 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:11:23am

re: #393 MandyManners

I agree but, it still is a troubling issue.

What if the operation had ruptured something and caused her to hemorraghe? When would her parents have been notified that she was seriously ill? What if she had had complications that night or the next day or two?

Well hypothetically if that happened and the girl was already in the clinic when it did happen or if hypothetically she went home from it and it happen and then somehow hid it from her parents, sought out medical care for it own and in either scenario insisted that her parents not be informed then medical confidentiality is protected. If a patient is conscious and lucid and has the ability to form consent then a hospital is under no obligation to inform anyone if the patient says no. Even teens have those rights. Though of course in reality if something that serious happened it would be difficult for the teen to keep it hidden so probably unlikely that if things went that bad the daughter wouldn't give consent.

I'd be more concerned about the relationship between mother and daughter and why the daughter feels she has to keep this serious life issue hidden from her mother. To me it's more a breakdown in mother daughter relationship.

416 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:11:42am

re: #401 Judith

the fact that violence and threats of violence were used to shut down her comments show little has changed.

The young lady is being hoist by her own petard, except the shoe is on the other foot now. Ann has engaged in some of the most violent rhtorisc ever spouted by a "mainstream" pundit - every action guarantees an equal and opposite reaction.

417 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:12:09am

And of course right after the whole report on Ann Coulter they launched into one of their "occupied East jerusalem" reports and they also phrased their newsreprot so that it said Ann Coulter supporters were trying to prevent free speech by trying to prevent the protesters from entering the hall.

It's the Concordia riot crap all over again.

418 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:12:30am

re: #375 Ericus58

My Wife and I read this yesterday and just looked at each other with the words "WTF!"...
they made the appointment, gave her a pass, paid the taxi... all on school time. And she's 15...

Would they do that for a Muslim student?

419 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:13:14am

re: #416 wozzablog

So if someone runs on at the mouth it's okay to allow beat them into silence? Wow. I'm impressed.

420 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:13:31am

re: #412 Judith

Of all the disgusting foul horrible things Coulter says, CBC chose to boradcast her comments on Muslims, where she says they shouldn't be allowed to travel and should stick to camels. There was a very clear media attempt to stir up THE one issue/group who are untouchable in Canada.

Bullshit on the muslim thing. You know not of what you speak.

421 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:13:36am

re: #411 Mad Al-Jaffee

When he's old enough, you should let him watch King of the Hill. And, eventually, South Park. Also, classic Simpsons. I haven't watched The Simpsons in about ten years because it got so lame. But when it was good, it was the best show on tv.

Right now he's going through a phase of idolizing Lebron James, complete with that red headband. And, he's calling me "Momma GEE!"

He made the second round of baseball try-outs last weekend and yesterday was selected to be pitcher on his new team.

422 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:14:25am

re: #416 wozzablog

The young lady is being hoist by her own petard, except the shoe is on the other foot now. Ann has engaged in some of the most violent rhtorisc ever spouted by a "mainstream" pundit - every action guarantees an equal and opposite reaction.


Yep. Coulter loves to incite people to hate others. It was only a matter of time before the feeling was returned. This isn't about free speech, or censorship--only governments can do that--it's about a poisonous bitch of a woman getting told she wasn't welcome by the students of one university.

423 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:14:29am

re: #420 Jadespring

KNow I just know Canadian history and who gets dragged before the Human Rights Commissions and who is not allowed to speak.

424 Slap  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:14:57am

re: #62 WindUpBird

Up for the Shins. Very few new bands capture my attention, but the Shins and the Zutons, for some reason, tickle my musical synapses in a most entertaining manner.

Zutons!

425 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:15:17am

re: #422 darthstar

It is about using violence and threats of violence to silence someone you don't like. I think it is wrong.

426 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:15:19am

re: #421 MandyManners

I know so little about basketball, I had to do a search on Lebron James.

It's great that he's into sports.

427 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:16:14am

re: #419 Judith

If it's ok for her to write book after book calling people traitors - and want to forcibly convert large parts of the world to christianity - then a little push back is to be e xpected.

I don't endorse violence.

428 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:16:41am

re: #414 Cannadian Club Akbar

The lack of Freedom of Speech. And funny how the left speaks of freedoms but shuts down conservative speakers.

York Univiersity in Toronto has the same problems.

Next week, York University will once again open its halls and classrooms to “Israel Apartheid Week,” so-called. This year as every year, militants and activists will use the taxpayer-funded facilities of York to vilify the Jewish state.

Well, that’s free speech, isn’t it? Everybody gets to express his or her point of view, no matter how obnoxious, right?

No, not right. Not at York. At York, speech is free — better than free, subsidized– for anti-Israel haters. But for those who would defend Israel, York sets very different rules.

In advance of York’s annual hate-Israel week, the campus group Christians United for Israel applied to use university space to host a program of pro-Israel speakers.

The university replied that this program could only proceed on certain conditions.

SNIP

429 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:16:58am

Michelle "Bombshell" McGee fired from Angry White Boy Clothing

Michelle "Bombshell" McGee, the alleged mistress who claimed that Academy Award-winning Actress Sandra Bullock's husband Jesse James was cheating on Bullock with her fired, was fired from the Angry White Boy website.

This blogger received this comment on the blog post Michelle "Bombshell" McGee Nazi picts hot; paid $30,000 for story from Jimmy Ferrari...

I AM THE OWNER OF ANGRY WHITE BOY CLOTHING INC. MICHELLE BOMBSHELL HAS BEEN FIRED AND HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES THIS COMPANY SINCE YESTERDAY, SUNDAY, MARCH 21ST 2010.

Since the Angry White Boy Clothing website has been much talked about on the web, Mr. Ferrari has set about a campaign of seeding that comment at as many sites as possible.

Jimmy Ferrari's action came after it was publicly revealed that Michelle McGee had posed in a Nazi-style bikini complete with a Swastika, and in a photo shoot connected with work for the website.

430 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:17:03am

re: #423 Judith

KNow I just know Canadian history and who gets dragged before the Human Rights Commissions and who is not allowed to speak.

And so do I.

431 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:17:16am

re: #422 darthstar

Yep. Coulter loves to incite people to hate others. It was only a matter of time before the feeling was returned. This isn't about free speech, or censorship--only governments can do that--it's about a poisonous bitch of a woman getting told she wasn't welcome by the students of one university.

Unlike Dinnerjacket who spoke at Columbia.

432 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:17:47am

re: #415 Jadespring

Well hypothetically if that happened and the girl was already in the clinic when it did happen or if hypothetically she went home from it and it happen and then somehow hid it from her parents, sought out medical care for it own and in either scenario insisted that her parents not be informed then medical confidentiality is protected. If a patient is conscious and lucid and has the ability to form consent then a hospital is under no obligation to inform anyone if the patient says no. Even teens have those rights. Though of course in reality if something that serious happened it would be difficult for the teen to keep it hidden so probably unlikely that if things went that bad the daughter wouldn't give consent.

I'd be more concerned about the relationship between mother and daughter and why the daughter feels she has to keep this serious life issue hidden from her mother. To me it's more a breakdown in mother daughter relationship.

Yet, a teen needs parental permission to get a tatoo or her ears pierced.

433 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:05am

re: #419 Judith

So if someone runs on at the mouth it's okay to allow beat them into silence? Wow. I'm impressed.

Happened in Cuba to the Ladies in White. In Venezuela, Chavez has arrested yet another opponent for speech.

434 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:15am

re: #414 Cannadian Club Akbar

It takes a lot to get any student body out of bed before midday - for every instance of this in Coulters case - there are Hundreds of conservatives who talk at venues all over the America and Canada without issue, largeky because they are not the ones who have enflamed violent rhetoric to an extent as to make the public dis course quite this toxic.

435 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:22am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Unlike Dinnerjacket who spoke at Columbia.

...or Ward Churchill speaking a many colleges across the country.

436 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:26am

re: #427 wozzablog

She should be able to write anything she damn well pleases and have others come back at her with reasoned debate and argument showing how disgusting her words are. The woman is foul and awful but she was invited to come and speak at the university which is supposed to be a place of freedom of exchange of ideas and open debate. A group of violence threatening protestors shut her down. They used violence and threats of violence to force cancelation of her talk. his is not what universities are supposed to be about. It is not okay.

437 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:42am

re: #423 Judith

KNow I just know Canadian history and who gets dragged before the Human Rights Commissions and who is not allowed to speak.

Charles has several links about that.

438 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:43am

re: #432 MandyManners

Yet, a teen needs parental permission to get a tatoo or her ears pierced.

When I was 18 and working at a summer job away from home, I stepped on a rusty nail which went through my sneaker. I had to get my parents' permission in order to receive a tetanus shot.

439 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:43am

re: #418 Alouette

Would they do that for a Muslim student?

It's not a religious issue. And the mother is saying her rights were infringed because her daughter was able to get an abortion without her consent? Sorry, lady. Your daughter did what she knew would give her the best chance at finishing high school and going on to college. They can't all be Bristol.

440 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:19:44am

re: #432 MandyManners

Yet, a teen needs parental permission to get a tatoo or her ears pierced.

Is that a law or just a private business practice that keeps a company from getting sued?

441 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:20:23am

re: #434 wozzablog

It takes a lot to get any student body out of bed before midday - for every instance of this in Coulters case - there are Hundreds of conservatives who talk at venues all over the America and Canada without issue, largeky because they are not the ones who have enflamed violent rhetoric to an extent as to make the public dis course quite this toxic.

So... Coulter incited these student to violence... it's her fault.

442 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:20:32am

re: #426 Mad Al-Jaffee

I know so little about basketball, I had to do a search on Lebron James.

It's great that he's into sports.

It's rather annoying at times.

443 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:20:56am

re: #428 MandyManners

EXACTLY my point. Radical Islam is permitted to spout anything it damn well pleases, including some of the most vile antisemitism there is, even if the Government of Ontario condemns it but a twit like Ann Coulter is not allowed to speak.

444 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:22:03am

re: #438 Alouette

When I was 18 and working at a summer job away from home, I stepped on a rusty nail which went through my sneaker. I had to get my parents' permission in order to receive a tetanus shot.

I can see the difference between that and pregnancy.

445 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:22:15am

re: #440 Jadespring

Is that a law or just a private business practice that keeps a company from getting sued?

Law.

446 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:22:30am

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

Aren't most neo-Nazis angry white boys?

447 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:22:54am

re: #443 Judith

EXACTLY my point. Radical Islam is permitted to spout anything it damn well pleases, including some of the most vile antisemitism there is, even if the Government of Ontario condemns it but a twit like Ann Coulter is not allowed to speak.

GO BULLDOGS!!!

448 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:07am

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

They didn't like what she wrote - the protestors are to blame for violence - and they took their anger at her too far.

I'm not condoning what they did - just saying that as a rallying point for the principle of free speech, Ms Coulter is a hard sell.

I am against political violence - period. (do i need to say that again?)

449 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:11am

re: #430 Jadespring

Okay so what about "Israel apartheid week" and how the pro Israel crowd was only allowed to hold their counter event if they could guarantee they would not be attacked by the antiIsrael bunch?

450 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:18am

re: #425 Judith

It is about using violence and threats of violence to silence someone you don't like. I think it is wrong.

Sure, but I'm not about to shed any tears over Coulter...her response was to insult the university itself? Fuck her. You should just let this go now...you've been complaining about it for a while and to tell you the truth, it's getting kind of boring. (not that I'm trying to censor you).

451 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:39am

re: #432 MandyManners

Yet, a teen needs parental permission to get a tatoo or her ears pierced.

If the school secretly took one of my daughters to get an abortion there would be trouble at that school, believe me.

452 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:52am

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

???

453 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:56am

re: #436 Judith

She should be able to write anything she damn well pleases and have others come back at her with reasoned debate and argument showing how disgusting her words are. The woman is foul and awful but she was invited to come and speak at the university which is supposed to be a place of freedom of exchange of ideas and open debate. A group of violence threatening protestors shut her down. They used violence and threats of violence to force cancelation of her talk. his is not what universities are supposed to be about. It is not okay.

Accusations of threats of violence have come from Coulter's people. Last report I heard that while rowdy and yelling they weren't violent. Coulters people also initially lied and still are likely about how many protesters showed up. They say it was thousands. The police this am have said no not thousands but a couple of hundred.

454 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:23:58am

re: #436 Judith

It's aboot dignity! It's aboot censorship! It's aboot free speech!

455 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:24:19am

re: #452 Judith

???

I have family in Hamilton.

456 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:24:23am

A violent neo-Nazi group has identified student activists at the University of Manchester as targets on a website called ‘Redwatch’.

Redwatch was established in 2001, as a message board for extreme racists and fascists. In 2003, it began to publish personal information, including photos, names and contact detail, of known or suspected far-left or anti-fascist activists. The slogan for the website is “”Remember places, traitors’ faces, they’ll all pay for their crimes.”

Many students of the University of Manchester are featured on the site, including current and former members of the student executive, students running in the recent elections and a Student Direct: Mancunion Edition reporter.

SNIP

457 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:24:54am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

If the school secretly took one of my daughters to get an abortion there would be trouble at that school, believe me.


thus providing a reason the girls in question generally tend to want it done in secret.

458 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:24:56am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Unlike Dinnerjacket who spoke at Columbia.

Who the hell is Dinnerjacket? Use names, for chrissakes.

459 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:00am

re: #442 MandyManners

It's rather annoying at times.

Would you rather have him playing baseball and being active, ot sitting around all day playing video games?

460 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:01am

re: #449 Judith

Okay so what about "Israel apartheid week" and how the pro Israel crowd was only allowed to hold their counter event if they could guarantee they would not be attacked by the antiIsrael bunch?

Speech for me. None for thee.

461 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:06am

re: #446 Mad Al-Jaffee

Aren't most neo-Nazis angry white boys?

They must have their groupies. I haven't been to Stormfront in a while but I recall many women member posting over there.

462 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:11am

re: #450 darthstar

So don't read my posts. It's an open thread. I'm not off topic and others are talking back.

463 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:13am

No work today!! Going to see baseball!!

464 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:22am

re: #454 Mad Al-Jaffee

Gratuitous upding.

465 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:32am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

If the school secretly took one of my daughters to get an abortion there would be trouble at that school, believe me.

Who got her pregnant?

466 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:37am

re: #439 darthstar

It's not a religious issue. And the mother is saying her rights were infringed because her daughter was able to get an abortion without her consent? Sorry, lady. Your daughter did what she knew would give her the best chance at finishing high school and going on to college. They can't all be Bristol.

I'm going to vehemently disagree with you.

There are other ways to handle this situation.

I'm the mother of a daughter who was pregnant at 15. There is a whole range of emotional issues at play when a 15-year-old is engaging in behavior that will result in pregnancy, whether the child is carried to term or not. There's also after-care health issues that these parents may have needed to deal with. Parents of 15-year-olds need to know what's going on with their kids.

467 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:25:59am

re: #458 darthstar

Who the hell is Dinnerjacket? Use names, for chrissakes.

Leader of Iran. (we don't have gays!!)

468 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:26:02am

Well, I remember learning about a Supreme Court case here in which the city of Chicago was ruled to have not allowed this priest to speak because they were afraid his rhetoric would set off a riot and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the priest. I disagree with the Canadian law honestly since I hate the idea of limiting speech due to the emotional response it gets since that's subjective. Plus, there's another part of me that wants to allow crazies like Coulter to speak so we can see how crazy they really are. Same principle in regards to something like Skokie or the Phelps clan.

469 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:26:11am

re: #443 Judith

EXACTLY my point. Radical Islam is permitted to spout anything it damn well pleases, including some of the most vile antisemitism there is, even if the Government of Ontario condemns it but a twit like Ann Coulter is not allowed to speak.

Coulter chose not to speak. It was her peoples decision not to join the fray. Don't imply that the government had anything to do with this. This was a people to people conflict, not a State against Coulter conflict.

470 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:26:33am

Morning all.

New 2010 senate analysis from Nate Silver:

Senate Forecast Update, 3/24

Democrats now project to hold an average of 54.0 seats when the Senate convenes in January, 2011, according to our latest forecast, and Republicans 46.0. This reflects a roughly one-seat improvement for Republicans since our previous forecast on March 10th.

Republicans now have about a 10 percent chance of taking an outright majority of Senate seats, according to the model, up slightly from before -- and about an 18 percent chance of getting to at least a tie. Democrats still have about an 8 percent chance, on the other hand, of recovering a 60-seat majority -- although obviously this would require a substantial shift in the national political environment. None of our analysis directly reflects any potential impact from the Democrats' passage of their health care bill.

We are going to have to wait a week to ten days for the polling to catch up on this.

471 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:27:05am

re: #459 Mad Al-Jaffee

Would you rather have him playing baseball and being active, ot sitting around all day playing video games?

He does quite a bit of both.

After hearing the basketball bounced for the 100th time in the great hall downstairs, my teeth start to grind.

472 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:27:35am

re: #457 wozzablog

thus providing a reason the girls in question generally tend to want it done in secret.

Wrong. The school has no right to help their students secretly get abortions. This is major surgery! Whenever one of my kids scrapes her knee I get a phone call.

473 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:27:40am

re: #469 Jadespring

I never said it was government shutting down. I said it was the threats of violence and violent intimidation that shut her down. Try reading what I write before you jump on me.

474 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:27:53am

re: #471 MandyManners

He does quite a bit of both.

After hearing the basketball bounced for the 100th time in the great hall downstairs, my teeth start to grind.

Tell him to take it outside.:)

475 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:28:14am

re: #462 Judith

So don't read my posts. It's an open thread. I'm not off topic and others are talking back.

You're right. I guess I'm just not used to seeing people so concerned about Ann Coulter.

476 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:28:46am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

Well, I remember learning about a Supreme Court case here in which the city of Chicago was ruled to have not allowed this priest to speak because they were afraid his rhetoric would set off a riot and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the priest. I disagree with the Canadian law honestly since I hate the idea of limiting speech due to the emotional response it gets since that's subjective. Plus, there's another part of me that wants to allow crazies like Coulter to speak so we can see how crazy they really are. Same principle in regards to something like Skokie or the Phelps clan.

You must like Mill, too.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:28:46am

re: #450 darthstar

Sure, but I'm not about to shed any tears over Coulter...her response was to insult the university itself? Fuck her. You should just let this go now...you've been complaining about it for a while and to tell you the truth, it's getting kind of boring. (not that I'm trying to censor you).

This is an open thread. What are you, the LGF topic police?

478 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:29:04am

As much as I disagree with Coulter, I actually enjoy her appearances on Red Eye. That has more to do with Red Eye than Coulter.

479 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:29:05am

re: #473 Judith

In America Government will not impinge on freedom of speech - outside government whoever shouts loudest wins.

480 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:29:11am

re: #476 MandyManners

You must like Mill, too.

John Stuart Mill?

481 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:29:13am

re: #449 Judith

Okay so what about "Israel apartheid week" and how the pro Israel crowd was only allowed to hold their counter event if they could guarantee they would not be attacked by the antiIsrael bunch?

Apples and oranges and for the record I think that that issue was bullshit. They should have been allowed by the Uni just like any other group.

Coulter however was not forbidden to speak by any organization. She shut down her talk, the Uni didn't.

482 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:29:13am

re: #475 darthstar

You're right. I guess I'm just not used to seeing people so concerned about Ann Coulter.

It's not about Ann. It's about Freedom of Speech and the angry lefties.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:29:44am

re: #465 MandyManners

Who got her pregnant?

My daughters are 7, I have a few years before I start worrying about that.

484 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:30:13am

re: #466 reine.de.tout

I'm going to vehemently disagree with you.

There are other ways to handle this situation.

I'm the mother of a daughter who was pregnant at 15. There is a whole range of emotional issues at play when a 15-year-old is engaging in behavior that will result in pregnancy, whether the child is carried to term or not. There's also after-care health issues that these parents may have needed to deal with. Parents of 15-year-olds need to know what's going on with their kids.

I would tend to agree. Honestly, I think the whole focus on privacy rights for teens who want abortions is an outgrowth of the radical feminist movement, with their emphasis on girls being allowed to do as they please without The Man (tm) telling them what to do. I think it has less to do with practicality matters than with the idea that a woman can do what she wants with her body and no one has a right to tell her otherwise.

485 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:30:30am

re: #484 thedopefishlives

And here's a hint: A 15-year-old girl is not a woman. Sorry.

486 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:30:42am

re: #469 Jadespring

In case you didn't, the government of Ontario formally condemned university decisions to all "Israel Apartheid (we hate Jews) Week". They went ahead anyway. The same crowd used violence and intimidation, again, to prevent speech by someone not supporting their views in a university, again.

487 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:30:47am

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tell him to take it outside.:)

It was in the dead of winter.

488 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:31:03am

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

This is an open thread. What are you, the LGF topic police?

Nope. And Judith already pointed out my error...but I'll apologize to you too because I know it makes you feel important.

489 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:31:28am

re: #475 darthstar

You're right. I guess I'm just not used to seeing people so concerned about Ann Coulter.

Oh, bullshit. The issue is not about Coulter and Judity has said so.

490 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:31:32am

re: #466 reine.de.tout

All good parents need to know what's going on with their kids.

All bad parents don't need to, and it would be better for the kids if they didn't know.

Therein lies the dilemma.

491 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:31:35am

re: #475 darthstar

Read what I wrote and comment on that or shut up. Stop with the straw man come backs.

492 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:31:38am

re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's not about Ann. It's about Freedom of Speech and the angry lefties.

Ah don't just assume that it's just lefties. I know a crap load of righties who think Coulters brand of 'conservatism' is an abomination.

493 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:32:06am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

John Stuart Mill?

The one and only!

494 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:32:36am

re: #483 NJDhockeyfan

My daughters are 7, I have a few years before I start worrying about that.

I was talking about the Seattle girl.

495 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:32:41am

re: #486 Judith

In case you didn't, the government of Ontario formally condemned university decisions to all "Israel Apartheid (we hate Jews) Week". They went ahead anyway. The same crowd used violence and intimidation, again, to prevent speech by someone not supporting their views in a university, again.

A how on earth do you know that it was the 'same crowd'? Were you there taking names?

496 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:33:22am

Hey Mandy great to see you again. I've been away to long I think. And thank you #477 NJDhockeyfan.

497 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:33:27am

re: #484 thedopefishlives

I would tend to agree. Honestly, I think the whole focus on privacy rights for teens who want abortions is an outgrowth of the radical feminist movement, with their emphasis on girls being allowed to do as they please without The Man (tm) telling them what to do. I think it has less to do with practicality matters than with the idea that a woman can do what she wants with her body and no one has a right to tell her otherwise.

What if the parents demand she carry the pregnancy to term but she doesn't want to do so?

498 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:33:30am

re: #484 thedopefishlives

I think it has to do with fathers sexually and physically abusing their daughters.

It's an insanely difficult problem, consent and information, and it has no easy or blithe answer. It is one of the most problematic intersections of ethics, biology, governance, and culture.

499 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:33:46am

re: #495 Jadespring

Actually I did check some of the names.

500 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:34:02am

re: #492 Jadespring

Ah don't just assume that it's just lefties. I know a crap load of righties who think Coulters brand of 'conservatism' is an abomination.

Lefties shut down conservative speakers. More than once.

501 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:34:10am

re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's not about Ann. It's about Freedom of Speech and the angry lefties.


Freedom of speech hasn't been destroyed. People protested, Coulter decided she didn't want to face a hostile audience. Nobody was shot. Nobody died. No cars were burned.

As an angry lefty, I can tell you we're easy to manage...just grab a drum and start dancing off in one direction, and we'll follow you like the pied piper.

Coulter just proved herself to be a coward.

502 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:35:21am

re: #492 Jadespring

Ah don't just assume that it's just lefties. I know a crap load of righties who think Coulters brand of 'conservatism' is an abomination.

They don't want her silenced. Only the left doesn't want to here opposing views. That's why they've been calling for the Fairness Doctrine again.

503 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:35:28am

re: #500 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lefties shut down conservative speakers. More than once.

And righties have shut down leftie speakers. Point being?

504 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:35:30am

re: #496 Judith

Hey Mandy great to see you again. I've been away to long I think. And thank you #477 NJDhockeyfan.

Stick around.

Didja' see my post about the PA shutting down the only Christian station in the West Bank? What about UNICEF financing anti-Israeli propanda?

505 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:35:48am

re: #501 darthstar

I never said freedom of speech was destroyed. And I don't find you as an angry lefty.:)

506 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:36:01am

re: #490 Obdicut

All good parents need to know what's going on with their kids.

All bad parents don't need to, and it would be better for the kids if they didn't know.

Therein lies the dilemma.

No evidence that the parents in question were bad parents, though.

I fought the school tooth and nail to keep her in school. They were very obvious in their desire for her to leave. pffft! Wasn't gonna happen on my watch! I wanted them to help me plan what was going to happen at the end of the year, when she was due to give birth before school ended. They simply would not. So I just left her in school, and when she gave birth, they had to come up with a way for her to finish the final couple of weeks of school. And they did. Luckily for us, the nun who was superintendent of Catholic schools at the time was behind us. She felt strongly that if we want our kids to make what we consider the moral choice, then we cannot punish them by kicking them out of school. That plus, honestly, the mere fact of being in the state of pregnancy is not a "sin" in any way, IMO.

507 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:36:42am

Sales of new homes dropped to lowest point since statistic was kept. 2.2% drop. January figures were revised slightly upwards, but the Feb numbers were significantly lower than expected - in part due to weather issues.

Sales of newly built U.S. single-family homes fell for a fourth straight month to a record low in February, a government report showed on Wednesday, heightening fears of renewed weakness in the housing market.

The Commerce Department said sales fell 2.2 percent to a 308,000 unit annual rate from an upwardly revised 315,000 units in January.

Analysts polled by Reuters had expected new home sales to edge up to a 320,000 unit annual pace from January's previously reported 309,000 units.

The data came on the heels of report on Tuesday showing existing home sales fell for a third straight month in February and a jump in the supply of houses on the market.

Sales have barely responded to the extension and expansion of a popular tax credit, which boosted purchases in the second half of 2009, raising concerns over the fragile housing market's recovery just as a key pillar of support is being dismantled.

It's also hard to buy a home when unemployment remains high - and if you're trying to sell after losing (or about to lose a home via foreclosure), you're not going to be able to downsize/buy a home because you don't have any income to show for it.

508 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:37:05am

re: #503 Jadespring

And righties have shut down leftie speakers. Point being?

Yes. All those conservative universities.
/

509 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:37:21am

re: #499 Judith

Actually I did check some of the names.

There's a list of all the names of every protester?

510 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:37:23am

re: #501 darthstar

You didn't check any facts. I did. She was shut down. Her talk was delayed for over an hour by angry protesters threatening to prevent her from speaking by chanting and yelling whenever she tried and by direct actions like pulling the farm alarm. No one can speak in a room full of people chanting and screaming.

You should try reading the details of reports of what these protesters were doing and saying before running on at the mouth.

511 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:37:28am

re: #507 lawhawk

George W Bush blamed in 5...4...3...2...

512 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:38:08am

re: #504 MandyManners

Yes, same old same old. And CBC is running comments about "occupied East Jerusalem" again.

513 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:38:13am

re: #502 NJDhockeyfan

They don't want her silenced. Only the left doesn't want to here opposing views. That's why they've been calling for the Fairness Doctrine again.

I hear this a lot, but I have not heard nor seen a single liberal advocate for the Fairness Doctrine IRL. And I'm young and live in Chicago, so I know a ton of liberals.

514 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:39:07am

re: #506 reine.de.tout

No evidence that the parents in question were bad parents, though.

Even so, the law has to apply in all cases.

I'm very glad you fought for your daughter, and even more that you were successful. And I'm glad that you have a nuanced and mature view of sin-- that sin is not in the signs of it, but in the deed of it.

However, the worst case scenario of inform and consent is a very, very bad one for the unfortunate pregnant girl. And that is deeply, deeply troubling to me.

515 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:39:13am

re: #503 Jadespring

Give me one example of a group of right wing students preventing a leftist speaking from speaking in a Canadian University by the use of violence and or threats of violence. I'll be you can't.

516 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:39:39am

re: #505 Cannadian Club Akbar

I never said freedom of speech was destroyed. And I don't find you as an angry lefty.:)

No, but I am angry! Grr! Grr! Come on! Fear me, dammit! I'll write a blog post about you if you don't fear me! The pen is mightier than the sword!

Yes, that is what Coulter backed down from. I read the article...there was no violence...just a little shouting. Poor bitch. My bleeding liberal heart bleeds for her.

517 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:39:41am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. All those conservative universities.
/

Yes of course you keep track of everything that goes on in Canadian campuses and every public event across the country.

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518 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:39:51am

Freedom of Speech is letting someone saying the most vile things you ever heard, speak.

519 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:40:04am

re: #501 darthstar

Freedom of speech hasn't been destroyed. People protested, Coulter decided she didn't want to face a hostile audience. Nobody was shot. Nobody died. No cars were burned.

As an angry lefty, I can tell you we're easy to manage...just grab a drum and start dancing off in one direction, and we'll follow you like the pied piper.

Coulter just proved herself to be a coward.

Have a nice trip...

520 Judith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:40:07am

re: #509 Jadespring

Straw man again I didn't say "all".

521 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:40:07am

re: #513 soap_man

theres a strawman loose aboot this hoose............

522 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:40:36am

re: #513 soap_man

The only times I've ever heard it being talked about-- and this is as someone who lives in San Francisco and works in the East Bay-- was by conservatives talking about how liberals want to bring it back.

I like the concept of the Fairness Doctrine, but it's utterly unworkable in practice, so no, it shouldn't be brought back.

523 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:41:00am

re: #517 Jadespring

Yes of course you keep track of everything that goes on in Canadian campuses and every public event across the country.

///

Look, I drink your booze!! What else do you want from me!!
///

525 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:41:08am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. All those conservative universities.
/

Uh Liberty University here in Virginia I believe banned College Democrats for a time. I don't know why a Democrat or heck anyone would want to go there. Their rules are really over the top but they did do that.

526 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:41:15am

re: #520 Judith

Straw man again I didn't say "all".


No you just said it was the same crowd.

527 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:41:35am

re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar

Look, I drink your booze!! What else do you want from me!!
///

LOL :D

528 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:42:00am

re: #510 Judith

You didn't check any facts. I did. She was shut down. Her talk was delayed for over an hour by angry protesters threatening to prevent her from speaking by chanting and yelling whenever she tried and by direct actions like pulling the farm alarm. No one can speak in a room full of people chanting and screaming.

You should try reading the details of reports of what these protesters were doing and saying before running on at the mouth.

Words! They threatened to shout words!

I miss rural schools with farm alarms. Oh noes! Time to milk the cows!

Sorry, Judith, but I find this laughable. Nothing personal.

529 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:42:15am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

BJU.............

one of the best acronyms for any educational establishment ever - ever.

530 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:42:25am

re: #513 soap_man

I hear this a lot, but I have not heard nor seen a single liberal advocate for the Fairness Doctrine IRL. And I'm young and live in Chicago, so I know a ton of liberals.

Look for such code words as diversity and local control. Mark Lloyd, the first "diversity" officer at the FCC spouts them regularly.

531 keloyd  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:43:04am

How much does a university give half a damn about free political speech if they invite Ann Coulter? There's freedom, then there's license. You get a mob of kids together like that, and they will get violent and stupid with some regularity.

OTOH, in my misspent youth, at the conservative bastion of Texas A&M, I heard a brilliant speech by Bobby Seale of the Black Panthers. He was in error on a dozen points, but spoke in a professional manner to a few thousand students who acted civil all the way through. I'd say Seale was further from political dead center than Coulter, but he's a gentleman, at least today. Coulter is no lady.

Those of you who are fans of old, corny, indie movies - my point is made much better if you try to assign blame in the skit on "The Kentucky Fried Movie" called "Danger Seeker" - funny but off color, so do the GIS yourself, and not at work.

532 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:43:24am

re: #529 wozzablog

BJU...

one of the best acronyms for any educational establishment ever - ever.

conservative not reactionary :D.

533 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:43:32am

re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar

Look, I drink your booze!! What else do you want from me!!
///

That reminds me of a bar joke. A baby seal walks into a bar and sits down at a stool. The bartender asks, "What can I get you?" The baby seal replies, "Anything but a Canadian Club."

534 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:43:35am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

Uh Liberty University here in Virginia I believe banned College Democrats for a time. I don't know why a Democrat or heck anyone would want to go there. Their rules are really over the top but they did do that.

That's a private school so the First Amendment does not hold sway.

535 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:43:42am

re: #518 Cannadian Club Akbar

Freedom of Speech is letting someone saying the most vile things you ever heard, speak.

So should the protesters been silenced or Coulter. Seems like both were using their own right to free speech...

536 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:45:19am

re: #528 darthstar

I don't. I think the protesters should have protested without stopping her speech.

During the civil rights movement, the speeches of civil rights leaders were often shouted down by angry crowds as well.

Being on the side of the angry crowd is very rarely the right side to be on. Even if they have an ethical and moral point, the tactic is such that it should be eschewed.

That time and effort and energy could have gone into something a lot more constructive.

I'm not shedding any tears for her, or think that the words she would have said would have been in any way good. But unpopular speech needs the most protection.

537 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:45:22am

re: #514 Obdicut

Even so, the law has to apply in all cases.

I'm very glad you fought for your daughter, and even more that you were successful. And I'm glad that you have a nuanced and mature view of sin-- that sin is not in the signs of it, but in the deed of it.

However, the worst case scenario of inform and consent is a very, very bad one for the unfortunate pregnant girl. And that is deeply, deeply troubling to me.

You're correct about the "worst case scenario". But if a child is in a very bad situation, there will be evidence of it long before the kid gets pregnant. Really.

Again- there are emotional issues going on when kids engage in harmful activity, such as unprotected sex.

Daughter finally came to the conclusion that sex at that age was not for her, because once the sex starts, the relationship becomes all about the sex, and then falls apart entirely. But it took a year of psychological counseling for her to come to that conclusion. I could have talked myself blue in the face, and would never have convinced her of that - to a 15-year-old, parents know nothing.

538 drcordell  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:45:24am

If you only read one link today, let it be this one. The most epic takedown of GOP hypocrisy and idiocy that I have ever seen. It's almost enough to bring a tear to my eye.

An open letter to conservatives.

539 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:45:45am

re: #535 ShaunP

So should the protesters been silenced or Coulter. Seems like both were using their own right to free speech...

There's a long and now time-honored tradition of conservative speakers being shouted down, their stages being occupied, or their faces being pied by students. It's all part of the modern discourse.

540 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:45:53am

re: #530 MandyManners

Look for such code words as diversity and local control. Mark Lloyd, the first "diversity" officer at the FCC spouts them regularly.

Haven't heard that either. Sure, I hear liberals complain about talk radio being dominated by conservatives, but I also hear conservatives complain about NPR being dominated by liberals.

Anyway, I highly doubt Obama or the Dems would ever pursue this with any kind of seriousness.

541 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:46:00am

re: #534 MandyManners

That's a private school so the First Amendment does not hold sway.

Right, it was still lame as hell though and I'd be saying the same for a liberal private school banning College Republicans. Isn't this Canadian college also private though?

542 Lateralis  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:46:07am

We are talking about a University right. Isn't there supposed to be an open exchange of ideas?

543 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:46:43am

re: #542 Lateralis

We are talking about a University right. Isn't there supposed to be an open exchange of ideas?

Depends on the ideas, now doesn't it?

544 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:47:07am

re: #533 Mad Al-Jaffee

That reminds me of a bar joke. A baby seal walks into a bar and sits down at a stool. The bartender asks, "What can I get you?" The baby seal replies, "Anything but a Canadian Club."

I was gonna tell you to shut up, then I got the joke!!! Heh!!

545 drcordell  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:47:39am

re: #540 soap_man

Haven't heard that either. Sure, I hear liberals complain about talk radio being dominated by conservatives, but I also hear conservatives complain about NPR being dominated by liberals.

Anyway, I highly doubt Obama or the Dems would ever pursue this with any kind of seriousness.

NPR is public radio. They broadcast the news with as little commentary as possible. You can hardly compare that to Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Hannity or Michael Savage or any of the other far-right lunatics raving on just about every AM station daily.

546 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:47:57am

re: #530 MandyManners

Look for such code words as diversity and local control. Mark Lloyd, the first "diversity" officer at the FCC spouts them regularly.


Didn't he say something about forcing white people to step so someone else can have power...or something like that?

547 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:48:33am

An Irish Catholic priest accused of raping a teenage boy in Ireland is also alleged to have sexually abused at least one boy during the short time he served in Granite Falls in 1982.

The allegations against the Rev. Francis Markey were raised in a Cable News Network report last weekend.

Markey, 82, is fighting extradition to Ireland, where he is charged with raping a 15-year-old boy in 1968.

In the CNN report, an unidentified man whose face was not shown said that Markey hugged him and “stuck his tongue down my throat” in the priest’s house across the street from the Church of St. Andrew in Granite Falls.

The man also said Markey had obviously been drinking.

SNIP

According to media reports in Ireland, Markey has been treated in mental health facilities four times for sexual abuse of children. The first time was in 1964.

He came to the United States in 1981 for treatment with the Servants of the Paraclete in New Mexico.

SNIP

548 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #545 drcordell

NPR is public radio. They broadcast the news with as little commentary as possible. You can hardly compare that to Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Hannity or Michael Savage or any of the other far-right lunatics raving on just about every AM station daily.

Are they funded by the people? No? Okie dokie.

549 drcordell  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:48:37am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Didn't he say something about forcing white people to step so someone else can have power...or something like that?

He is actually in the process of rounding up your white daughters as we speak.

550 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:49:13am

re: #549 drcordell

He is actually in the process of rounding up your white daughters as we speak.

Okay, I disagree with you on a lot of stuff, but sometimes, the good Doctor's a funny guy.

551 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:49:57am

re: #550 Guanxi88

Okay, I disagree with you on a lot of stuff, but sometimes, the good Doctor's a funny guy.

When he's on, he's on!!!

552 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:50:19am

re: #541 HappyWarrior

Right, it was still lame as hell though and I'd be saying the same for a liberal private school banning College Republicans. Isn't this Canadian college also private though?

Does Canada even have an amendment about free speech?

553 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:50:30am

later's kids

554 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:50:45am

re: #551 Cannadian Club Akbar

When he's on, he's on!!!

I recall the whole "I didn't post on internet forums for x number of years just to be called Mr. Cordell" bit and still howl.

555 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:50:55am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Didn't he say something about forcing white people to step so someone else can have power...or something like that?

I don't recall.

556 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:51:02am

re: #539 Guanxi88

There's a long and now time-honored tradition of conservative speakers being shouted down, their stages being occupied, or their faces being pied by students. It's all part of the modern discourse.

Free speech of speakers > free speech of students? I see them as being equal and fair game, so long that there is no threat of violence on either side...

557 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:51:50am

re: #554 Guanxi88

I recall the whole "I didn't post on internet forums for x number of years just to be called Mr. Cordell" bit and still howl.

He also said he spent 8 years of online skool to be called Doctor. Heh.

558 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:52:30am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Here's some of what I have about Lloyd.

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

559 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:52:57am

re: #537 reine.de.tout

I'm not sure what relevance the situation being obvious beforehand has.

Again- there are emotional issues going on when kids engage in harmful activity, such as unprotected sex.

I'm sorry, but to me this is a value and cultural judgement. Unprotected sex is unwise, but the immortality syndrome in kids means that it's no more indicative of an emotional issue than driving recklessly. It's the emotional issue of being a teenager. That's kind of incurable.

Daughter finally came to the conclusion that sex at that age was not for her, because once the sex starts, the relationship becomes all about the sex, and then falls apart entirely.

Heh. I don't think I can be comfortable with talking about your daughter and sex. I may be from San Francisco, but I'm a little too old-fashioned for that one.


However, I do not think that there is any universally applicable age that a particular person is ready emotionally for sex, and, in a Catch-22, for a lot of us, figuring out your sexuality requires actual experimentation. People learn a lot about their sexualities through simple, uh, contemplation, but actual experiences are also very useful as sources of information-- and even though they can be painful, they can be very well worth it.

We obviously place highly different moral values on sex and its place in emotional attachment. However, I would, if my (future) daughter were to be upset and confused about sex, highly value you talking to her. I don't agree with your evaluation of sexuality fully, but i do agree with the kindness and the concern for the young girl in and of herself, rather than as the object of your morality.

560 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:53:09am

re: #552 MandyManners

[Link: www.uottawa.ca...]

Google is your friend

561 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:53:20am

re: #552 MandyManners

Does Canada even have an amendment about free speech?


No clue. I don't even know if they have a Bill of Rights equivalent.

562 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:53:56am

re: #536 Obdicut

Yes, I agree. She has the right to speak. But they didn't shut her down. She backed down. Seriously, if she had addressed the audience and said, "Look, I know a lot of you don't like me, but your school is paying me ten grand to talk right now, so let me say my piece, then we can shout at each other later." I'm guessing they would have quieted down and let her speak. They still would have booed at times, and she probably would have had a rough 40 minutes, but she could have given her speech all the same.

Coulter loves that this happened. It gets her attention and sells books. She'll get to go talk to Bill O'Reilly again, and lord, it will have been so awful...those crazy angry liberals--she probably thought they would kill her!

I've been an activist. I know how we can be in a crowd. I also know that people who are vehemently opposed to hate speech aren't exactly violent people. Annoying at times, yes, but we're not exactly violent.

563 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:54:13am

re: #530 MandyManners

Look for such code words as diversity and local control. Mark Lloyd, the first "diversity" officer at the FCC spouts them regularly.

Oh come on, Mandy. "Look for code words" is Beck-style talk.

564 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:54:19am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Section 2(b) of the Charter states that "Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: ... freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication."

565 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:55:15am

re: #563 Obdicut

It's also code for *no broswer window free to find a link that halfway supports my contention*

566 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:55:16am

re: #515 Judith

Give me one example of a group of right wing students preventing a leftist speaking from speaking in a Canadian University by the use of violence and or threats of violence. I'll be you can't.

During the run up to Afghanistan there was a lot of debate on campus about going to war. We held pro and against panel talks with speakers from either side. I was the moderator that took so took on a neutral role. I personally got threatened by a group of right wing students who didn't want to have an Iranian activist speak. I was put on notice that 'they were watching'. Shut down no, because I'm not threatened by that sort of bullying but had to get extra security to attend the panel just in case.

567 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:56:01am

Anyways. As always - it's been real................

568 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:56:19am

re: #545 drcordell

NPR is public radio. They broadcast the news with as little commentary as possible. You can hardly compare that to Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Hannity or Michael Savage or any of the other far-right lunatics raving on just about every AM station daily.

My point is that both sides are complaining about this. But with that said, I sincerely doubt the Dems will try to pass the Fairness Doctrine, and I sincerely doubt the GOP will try to kill NPR.

Oh, and by the way, I hear plenty of commentary on NPR.

569 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:56:32am

re: #562 darthstar

You're guessing. And I don't agree. I guess that they would have continued to make noise and protest, unless someone they liked and respected convinced them freedom was better served by going and doing something constructive while she spoke-- like collecting for the CCLU.*

Coulter loves that this happened. It gets her attention and sells books. She'll get to go talk to Bill O'Reilly again, and lord, it will have been so awful...those crazy angry liberals--she probably thought they would kill her!

Yes. She does love that this happened. That's a good point.

I've been an activist. I know how we can be in a crowd. I also know that people who are vehemently opposed to hate speech aren't exactly violent people. Annoying at times, yes, but we're not exactly violent.

I've been an activist. I'm vehemently opposed to hate speech. I just prefer constructive activism rather than confrontational activism.

*no idea if that actually exists.

570 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:56:40am

re: #564 wozzablog

Thanks.

571 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:57:48am

Alright, time for the ole' 10 a.m. meeting. BBL.

572 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:58:04am
573 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:59:11am

The UK is to expel an Israeli diplomat over 12 forged British passports used in the killing of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai in January.

David Miliband said there were "compelling reasons" to believe Israel was responsible for the forgeries.

The foreign secretary said the misuse of British passports was "intolerable".

Israel's ambassador to London, Ron Prosor, said he was "disappointed", but Israel confirmed there would be no tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsion.

Mr Prosor said: "The relationship between Israel and the UK is of mutual importance, hence we are disappointed by the... decision."

The name of the diplomat has not been released.

SNIP

The Al-Guardian article I linked above is the only one I've seen today that accuses the diplomat of being with Mossad.

574 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:59:18am

re: #569 Obdicut

...I've been an activist. I'm vehemently opposed to hate speech. I just prefer constructive activism rather than confrontational activism.

*no idea if that actually exists.

...The argument against censorship is clear: no government official should be permitted to dictate what ideas or beliefs we are entitled to hear or believe. Both good and evil should be averted by more speech and not enforced silence.

Authority Zero, 2004

575 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 7:59:33am

re: #568 soap_man

NPR is not a very liberal station, though.

[Link: www.fair.org...]

It's more just mainstream than anything else, but without the histrionics.

It's got some definite liberal pieces, but the views that are represented tend to be centrist.

576 keloyd  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:00:08am

re: #563 Obdicut

Oh come on, Mandy. "Look for code words" is Beck-style talk.

You deny the presence/intent/role of code words? How many time has the term "dog whistle" been used on this blog? If Orwell didn't smoke so much, you better believe his Ministry of Truth would have a diversity officer.

577 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:00:39am

re: #563 Obdicut

Oh come on, Mandy. "Look for code words" is Beck-style talk.

Jimminyfuckingcricket. I've used the phrase "code words" for many years before Beck was around. Give me a fucking break. Is that phrase now considered a "dog whistle"?

578 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:01:12am

re: #572 Dark_Falcon

Typical MSM BS. They really don't like Netanyahu, and they never will. He's a conservative and assertive Jew and that drives them crazy.

He has chutzpah.

579 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:01:30am

I'm not real familiar with the Canadian law, but here's their Constitution and Bill of Rights equivalents.

And for the record - the freedom of speech enshrined in the US Constitution is about protecting speech from government interference (or color of government authority), not when private individual or entity infringes on the speech or conduct.

580 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:01:57am

re: #556 ShaunP

Free speech of speakers > free speech of students? I see them as being equal and fair game, so long that there is no threat of violence on either side...

There was no threat of violence. A conservative speaker was unwelcome in Canada. Come on, we're talking Canada! Sure, they kicked our asses in Olympic Hockey (the second time), but they're lovable, eh? Violence....please.

581 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:02:38am

re: #579 lawhawk

And for the record - the freedom of speech enshrined in the US Constitution is about protecting speech from government interference (or color of government authority), not when private individual or entity infringes on the speech or conduct.

This is something a lot of Americans conveniently forget. They think they have a right to say anything, at any time, to anyone, anywhere. They do not. I can ban you from my theater for shouting "Fire!" at a crowded showing. Now, whether the government can get involved and arrest you is another matter entirely.

582 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:03:23am

re: #555 MandyManners

I don't recall.

Diversity Czar Mark Lloyd: Whites Need to Step Down to Help Minorities Step Up

Mark Lloyd, President Obama's appointed FCC Chief Diversity Officer (aka "diversity czar") is coming under fire after audio surfaced that sheds more light on his ideas of race, power and the American system.

As you may recall, Mark Lloyd was criticized from the Right prior to his Senate confirmation over his praise for Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and his fascistic revolution to shut out private property owners and media; and his own ridiculous ideas about the First Amendment, i.e. "[T]he purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance."

“(W)e have really, truly good white people in important positions. And the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem.

“We're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power.”

Lloyd's definition of "diversity" means white people "step down" so "more people of color, gays" and "other people" "can have power." And thereby "change the problem" and achieve "media diversity."

583 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:03:54am

re: #573 MandyManners

Second google hit with the terms - the Al-Times Of London any better for you?

uk israeli diplomat expelled mossad

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

584 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:05:09am

A Chinese Communist Party newspaper accused Google on Wednesday of colluding with US spies, and said the firm's retreat from China over censorship justified Beijing's efforts to promote homegrown technology.

China's latest blast at the world's biggest Internet search company came in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, the chief newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party.

Google on Monday shut its mainland Chinese-language portal Google.cn and began rerouting searches to a Hong Kong site, over two months after it said it would not accept the self-censorship demanded by China's government, which is determined to keep a tight grip on domestic users' access to the Internet.

SNIP

585 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:05:17am

re: #583 wozzablog

Second google hit with the terms - the Al-Times Of London any better for you?

uk israeli diplomat expelled mossad

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Everyone keeps chasing that tail. Booga!!

586 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:05:22am

Orly?

Taitz Challenges Constitutionality Of Health Reform: It Blocks My Right To Practice Dentistry

Along with raising the specter of death panels and charging that Obama, as an illegitimate president, does not have the right to sign the health bill into law, Taitz writes in the new section of the complaint, titled, "VIOLATION OF COMMERCE CLAUSE AND OF PLAINTIFF'S RIGHTS TO GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT AS A DOCTOR OF DENTAL SURGERY UPON DEFENDANT'S IMMINENT SIGHNING OF THE HEALTH BILL":

"Health bill, as being prepared and reconciled, will create an enormous machine of governmental burocracy which will intrude into Plaintiff's practice, will affect her doctor-patient relations, will undermine her Hippocratic oath, will force her to ration medical care and de-facto deny medical care to elderly, whom some committees of burocrats will deem to be too old to receive such care, meaning too old to live." (Typos in original.)

587 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:06:21am

re: #585 Cannadian Club Akbar

I provide a puiblic service - nothing more ;-)

588 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:06:26am

re: #573 MandyManners

Apparently, after a bunch of fake British passports were found in 1985, the UK and Israel came to an agreement that Israel wouldn't forge UK passports any more for use by their agents. Not that this expulsion will stop them. Spies, assassins, agents, whatever will still do what they do. And not just Israelis. Americans probably do it to. It just sucks when you get caught.

589 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:06:30am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

Orly?

Taitz Challenges Constitutionality Of Health Reform: It Blocks My Right To Practice Dentistry

And after she got spanked with a $20k fine for gaming the system with the Nirther nontroversy. This doesn't end well for her.

590 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:06:30am

re: #582 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, my stars. He is warped.

591 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:07:15am

re: #587 wozzablog

I provide a puiblic service - nothing more ;-)

I'm with ya, brother!

592 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:08:33am

re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar

And given your avatar - your rates are as humble as mine.....

:-)

593 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:09:07am

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Wednesday to you all! Well, I have a busy day ahead of me, I just went out and bought 12 large clay pots and I'm going to transplant my miniature roses this morning. Whew, that's a lot of roses!

594 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:09:30am

anyhews - me out.

595 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:09:48am

re: #589 thedopefishlives

And after she got spanked with a $20k fine for gaming the system with the Nirther nontroversy. This doesn't end well for her.

Oh dear...she really is bad. She just amended her birther case with the complaint? I hope she's a better dentist than she is a lawyer...but I wouldn't trust her with a drill.

597 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:10:50am

re: #595 darthstar

Oh dear...she really is bad. She just amended her birther case with the complaint? I hope she's a better dentist than she is a lawyer...but I wouldn't trust her with a drill.

I wouldn't trust her either way.

598 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:10:55am

re: #576 keloyd

I do believe there are loaded words, when used in certain contexts, sure. However, just because 'states rights' is a code word for oppression of blacks does not mean the concept of states rights doesn't exist.

There are very good reasons to advocate for diversity and local control. To give an example from California:

The Hmong community in California, in various places, is quite large. For those who don't know who the Hmong are, they were our allies in Laos. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] Anyway, they have a highly traditional culture, they don't tend to really assimilate, and they have incredibly tenacious and resistant attitudes towards authority, as do most ethnic groups that have been perennially fucked over and lied to. There is an excellent book, The Spirit Catches Me and You Fall Down, about the difficulties that well-meaning medical personell had in treating a Hmong child due to the cultural differences and language barrier.

A friend of mine has been working with the FCC and radio stations to attempt to get a half-hour Hmong-language slot so that a respected member of the Hmong community can deliver vital, trusted information-- like yes, do fill out the census, like yes, do talk to the cops when they ask about this crime, etc. The arguments he's making include the words 'diversity' and 'local control' but they are excellent arguments, and not actually code words.

The program would save the city money, help deliver services to the Hmong better, etc. etc. Should the Hmong just assimilate? Sure. But since that's not going to happen, we can actually help their assimilation by increasing this kind of communication.

599 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:11:16am

re: #589 thedopefishlives

And after she got spanked with a $20k fine for gaming the system with the Nirther nontroversy. This doesn't end well for her.

I assume she has patrons who are funding her. They'll bail her out.

600 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:12:49am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

Orly?

Taitz Challenges Constitutionality Of Health Reform: It Blocks My Right To Practice Dentistry

Does Health Care Reform include Dental? Funny how dental care is always separate from health insurance. I guess teeth are a pre-existing condition.

601 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:12:50am

re: #599 Killgore Trout

I assume she has patrons who are funding her. They'll bail her out.

Anti-Obama nuts don't need no STINKIN' bailouts.

602 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:13:58am

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him (video)

It's a good suggestion, Beck, but I don't think the Administration really gives that big of a damn about you.

603 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:13:59am

Seven pirates armed with automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenades twice tried to board the Panamanian-flagged MV Almezaan 60 miles off the Somali coast.

Private security contractors on the merchant ship, owned by a company in the United Arab Emirates, fired back, repelling both attacks, and the pirates fled. No-one on the cargo vessel was injured.

Soldiers from a Spanish navy warship deployed as part of the EU naval force (NavFor) fighting piracy later boarded the pirates' boats and found one of the men dead.

It is believed to be the first time that private security contractors have killed a pirate during an attack, and raises fears of even greater violence at sea off Somalia and into the Indian Ocean.

SNIP

604 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:14:23am

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him (video)


I don't even know what to say to that. For one, I can't believe there are people who take this guy seriously and secondly I can't believe he actually thinks the administration is coming after him. I've never seen anyone with such a big victim complex with the audience he has.

605 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:14:37am

re: #577 MandyManners

See my #598.

606 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:15:48am

Congressman to Introduce Resolution Supporting Israeli Strike on Iran

Washington, DC - A draft resolution is circulating among members of the House of Representatives that endorses an Israeli military attack on Iran "if no other peaceful solution can be found within reasonable time."

The resolution, written by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) and currently being circulated for cosponsors prior to its introduction, does not clarify what is meant by a "reasonable time."

"The United States does not want or seek war with Iran" the resolution states in its introductory section, "but it will continue to keep all options open to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons." It goes on to express support for "Israel's right to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by Iran...including the use of military force."

607 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:15:58am

re: #603 MandyManners

Seven pirates armed with automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenades twice tried to board the Panamanian-flagged MV Almezaan 60 miles off the Somali coast.

raises fears of even greater violence at sea off Somalia and into the Indian Ocean

Fears? I'm actively HOPING for it. Blow those pirates out of the water, for all I care. They're freakin' PIRATES.

608 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:16:44am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

If he gets in a car accident or drops dead of a heart attack his followers are going to flip out.

609 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:17:49am

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Or kills himself. I can never figure out if he's crazy or acts crazy.

610 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:17:52am

re: #607 thedopefishlives

With a yo ho ho (yo ho ho)
And a tricky lah-tee do (tricky lah-tee do)
We’ll shoot you in the face with glee
Then we’ll cut off your cock
And feed it to a croc
Somalian pirates we

-South Park

611 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:18:38am

ROPMA, a/k/a, the religion that cannot bear mockery.

An Islamic court in Nigeria has banned a rights group from hosting debates on the Twitter and Facebook websites on the use of amputations as a punishment.

The court, in the northern city of Kaduna, backed a case brought by a pro-Sharia group arguing that the forums would mock the Sharia system.

The rights group, the Civil Rights Congress of Nigeria, said it would appeal against the ruling.

Sharia judges can order amputations of limbs for petty crimes in some states.

The courts mostly deal with domestic issues such as marriage and divorce.

Sharia judges have sentenced some women to death by stoning for adultery, but the sentences have not been carried out.

SNIP.

612 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:19:04am

re: #607 thedopefishlives

Fears? I'm actively HOPING for it. Blow those pirates out of the water, for all I care. They're freakin' PIRATES.

How dare victims fight back!

613 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:19:40am

re: #603 MandyManners

As far as I'm concerned, you reap what you sow, robbing ships at gunpoint gets you blown into the afterlife and an interview with St. Peter. ;-)

614 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:20:41am
615 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:23:10am

re: #609 Obdicut

Or kills himself. I can never figure out if he's crazy or acts crazy.

I don't wanna know honestly. His the government is out to get me complex though is really annoying though considering how many people there are out there who actually are persecuted for criticizing their government. Honestly, I would love to ask him how exactly he is being persecuted since after all he still has his show and has been able to say this crazy stuff on the air.

616 keloyd  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:26:00am

re: #598 Obdicut

1. Did you ever see Clint Eastwood's Gran Torino? It was chock full of Hmong, and no one can say 'get off my lawn' like The Man Himself. Their difficulties with assimilation was a major theme; some old school arse kickin was another major theme.

2. In a few places I've lived, "diversity" to certain local black politicians means a room full of black employees with patronage jobs who all think alike. When a friend of mine at UT Austin was in school ages ago, the student senate diversity committee got in some trouble for either kicking out or not allowing Chinese members. It was something about their proportional representation meaning the 100 Native Americans get a seat but the 10,000 Asians get nothin. Only black or hispanic activist busybody types were "diverse". If the use of the term is hypocritical or a farce with some regularity, I still have my shenanigans stick out from St Patty's Day.

617 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:26:38am

re: #612 MandyManners

How dare victims fight back!

That seems to be the general impression, which is utterly ... STUPID. Remember the last time we fought pirates? We sent warships and the freakin' MARINES to kick their sandy asses. If it were up to me, the Tomahawks would be in the air already.

618 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:27:12am

So I'm back, and my little bro got me hooked on Ivan Brunetti.

619 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:27:52am

Somali pirates have hijacked a Bermuda-flagged ship in the Gulf of Aden with 25 crew members including 23 Sri Lankans on board, an official said on Wednesday.

The Virgin Islands-owned cargo ship MV Talca also has a Filipino and a Syrian on board, Andrew Mwangura, the East Africa coordinator of Seafarers Assistance Programme, told Xinhua news agency.

SNIP

620 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:28:04am

re: #616 keloyd

1. I haven't actually checked out Gran Torino. I definitely will, hopefully in a room full of Hmong.

2. Diversity is problematic, sure. It's very easy to do exactly the wrong thing. That doesn't mean that it's not something worth thinking and talking about.

621 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:28:22am

re: #559 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but to me this is a value and cultural judgement. Unprotected sex is unwise, but the immortality syndrome in kids means that it's no more indicative of an emotional issue than driving recklessly. It's the emotional issue of being a teenager. That's kind of incurable.
. . .
We obviously place highly different moral values on sex and its place in emotional attachment. However, I would, if my (future) daughter were to be upset and confused about sex, highly value you talking to her. I don't agree with your evaluation of sexuality fully, but i do agree with the kindness and the concern for the young girl in and of herself, rather than as the object of your morality.

I actually do not disagree with much of what you said.

IMO - a teen getting overcome with emotions and feelings and having sex is such a minor "sin" when compared to those folks who are just evil and cruel and mean and bullying . . . it's silly, really, in my opinion, how folks are shocked at it, and may give a pass to a kid who is cruel and mean, but not to a kid who is having sex. But their emotional state is immature at that age, and it does have an emotional effect on a kid of 15, often a negative one, that needs to be dealt with.

622 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:28:35am

re: #603 MandyManners

Well, those are PRIVAET MILITRAY COMPANEIS stoking VIOELNCE FOR PROFIT.

/

623 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:28:38am

Welcome back. I'm sorry to say I don't know who Ivan Brunetti is.

624 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:28:41am

re: #613 Dragon_Lady

As far as I'm concerned, you reap what you sow, robbing ships at gunpoint gets you blown into the afterlife and an interview with St. Peter. ;-)

One down, many more to go before it's stopped.

625 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:29:00am

re: #614 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm going to see the Pirates today!!

Aaarrr.

626 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:30:04am

re: #621 reine.de.tout

I can completely agree with that.

627 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:31:05am

Since I started working again, I haven't been anywhere or bought anything for myself. Today? New Rays jersey, a beer and a hot dog!! Yippee!!!

628 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:32:04am

re: #621 reine.de.tout

And I'd add that our society often actively encourages kids who are cruel and arrogant, and rewards them for being so.

629 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:32:34am

re: #616 keloyd

I liked Gran Torino, but they really went overboard on the Christ figure imagery, especially towards the end.

630 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:33:11am

re: #621 reine.de.tout

I actually do not disagree with much of what you said.

IMO - a teen getting overcome with emotions and feelings and having sex is such a minor "sin" when compared to those folks who are just evil and cruel and mean and bullying . . . it's silly, really, in my opinion, how folks are shocked at it, and may give a pass to a kid who is cruel and mean, but not to a kid who is having sex. But their emotional state is immature at that age, and it does have an emotional effect on a kid of 15, often a negative one, that needs to be dealt with.

Especially if they're rich.

/speaking from experience

//and about the bullying, not the sex

///because virginity is a worse stigma than a gang raping for some reason

631 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:33:12am

re: #617 thedopefishlives

That seems to be the general impression, which is utterly ... STUPID. Remember the last time we fought pirates? We sent warships and the freakin' MARINES to kick their sandy asses. If it were up to me, the Tomahawks would be in the air already.

To the shores of Tripoli.


632 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:33:46am

re: #614 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm going to see the Pirates today!!

Those Pirates couldn't hit a curve ball let alone a ship :D. Have fun at the game though. I've always wanted to go to Spring Training since I hear it's real easy to get autographs and stuff. Can't wait for Opening Day. I got to see Matt Wieters' first homer last year at the Yard and it was awesome. Hope the Rays do well this year. Better them than the Yankees or Sox.

633 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:34:02am

re: #622 laZardo

Well, those are PRIVAET MILITRAY COMPANEIS stoking VIOELNCE FOR PROFIT.

/

Need more of it.

634 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:34:32am

re: #627 Cannadian Club Akbar

Since I started working again, I haven't been anywhere or bought anything for myself. Today? New Rays jersey, a beer and a hot dog!! Yippee!!!

With chili and onions?

635 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:35:02am

re: #633 MandyManners

Need more of it.

Well, if it's two of the world's most ruthless boundary-less profit-oriented entities eating each other up, then at least the blood won't be on national hands in case of the inevitable Black Hawk Down II.

636 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:36:01am

re: #632 HappyWarrior

Those Pirates couldn't hit a curve ball let alone a ship :D. Have fun at the game though. I've always wanted to go to Spring Training since I hear it's real easy to get autographs and stuff. Can't wait for Opening Day. I got to see Matt Wieters' first homer last year at the Yard and it was awesome. Hope the Rays do well this year. Better them than the Yankees or Sox.

A friend an I kinda snuck on the field as kids. Willie Stargell bunted a ball to my friend.:)

637 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:37:05am

re: #634 MandyManners

With chili and onions?

And Tabasco.

638 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:37:44am

re: #624 MandyManners

One down, many more to go before it's stopped.

I really don't understand why the shipping companies don't have armed guards on the ships as a matter of security! I mean they have millions of dollars of cargo on board and their insurance companies should be insisting on armed guards on board! Kind of reminds me of the jewelry industry in a way. To get insurance in the jewelry industry the insurance companies have enacted deterrent measures that the Jeweler must have in place in order to get a policy. Bars on the front windows, shatter proof glass on the show cases, timed safes, motion sensor alarms, security guard in the lobby and so forth and so on. Why the heck isn't the shippers insurance company's insisting on armed security on those ships? This makes no sense to me.

639 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:38:07am

re: #635 laZardo

Well, if it's two of the world's most ruthless boundary-less profit-oriented entities eating each other up, then at least the blood won't be on national hands in case of the inevitable Black Hawk Down II.

I posted a link above about al-Sabbah over staying its welcome in Somalia.

640 keloyd  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:38:18am

re: #629 Mad Al-Jaffee

true, but what else is a 78 year old man going to make a movie about? It's always good storytelling to 'take one for the team'. I'll give him a pass on that for also being that old and doing a fairly convincing arse kicking, followed by fairly convincing paying for it later.

Whoever wrote the script, and instead of a bunch of flowery words, just put "Clint grumbles" about 20 times - BRILLIANT!

It's tricky where you have an Archie Bunker type, and the movie promotes assimilation and grudging respect, instead of a fake, plastic Benetton commercial crap where we all hold hands and sing kumbayah, but that movie just seemed real, imho.

641 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:38:21am

re: #637 Cannadian Club Akbar

And Tabasco.

*shudder*

642 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:38:59am

re: #632 HappyWarrior

Oh. I also have an official World Series baseball from 1994. Why is it special? There was no series that year.

643 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:39:30am

re: #638 Dragon_Lady

Charles had some threads about it a while back. I cannot remember all of it but, maritime law is at play.

644 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:40:18am
645 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:40:33am

re: #627 Cannadian Club Akbar

Since I started working again, I haven't been anywhere or bought anything for myself. Today? New Rays jersey, a beer and a hot dog!! Yippee!!!

Congratulations on working again! I applied for a part time job as a cashier at a business right around the corner from where we live, I won't know for 2 weeks or so but it would be a cool way to get to work! A 2 minute walk, I could go for that! :-)

646 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:41:54am

re: #643 MandyManners

Charles had some threads about it a while back. I cannot remember all of it but, maritime law is at play.

Probably something along the lines of, carrying weapons or soldiers means that the vessel is no longer a neutral merchant, and is at the mercy of the countries that own whatever territorial waters they may need to sail through.

647 drcordell  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:42:23am

re: #638 Dragon_Lady

I really don't understand why the shipping companies don't have armed guards on the ships as a matter of security! I mean they have millions of dollars of cargo on board and their insurance companies should be insisting on armed guards on board! Kind of reminds me of the jewelry industry in a way. To get insurance in the jewelry industry the insurance companies have enacted deterrent measures that the Jeweler must have in place in order to get a policy. Bars on the front windows, shatter proof glass on the show cases, timed safes, motion sensor alarms, security guard in the lobby and so forth and so on. Why the heck isn't the shippers insurance company's insisting on armed security on those ships? This makes no sense to me.

From what I have read they just don't think it makes economic sense. The added cost of training their crews to use the weapons is prohibitive. And I believe the cost of insurance actually goes up with weapons on board, as the assumption is that they will be used. The odds of a pirate hijacking are still extremely low relatively, so the shipping companies don't want to lay out the extra cash.

648 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:42:40am

re: #639 MandyManners

I posted a link above about al-Sabbah over staying its welcome in Somalia.

I'm not holding my breath. I was actually suspecting it was the pirates that are getting angry at al-Shabab for starting to intrude on the luxuries they can afford with their ransom money.

649 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:43:07am

re: #645 Dragon_Lady

Wishing you luck!! And giving a ding!! Gotta run. Baseball in spring in Florida. Don't get no better!!

650 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:43:12am

re: #640 keloyd

I didn't say it was a bad movie, or that I didn't like it. I just found it kind of predictable and the imagery too heavy handed.

I loved when he tells his "walked into a bar" joke. And when he points a gun at neighborhood thugs.

651 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:43:51am

re: #647 drcordell

From what I have read they just don't think it makes economic sense. The added cost of training their crews to use the weapons is prohibitive. And I believe the cost of insurance actually goes up with weapons on board, as the assumption is that they will be used. The odds of a pirate hijacking are still extremely low relatively, so the shipping companies don't want to lay out the extra cash.

Many countries won't allow port entry with armed guards.

652 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:44:13am

The left-wing National Action Network Inc., headquartered in New York City’s Harlem neighborhood, owes at least $1,556,059 in federal taxes and $108,489 in New York taxes, according to the Nexis tax liens database. Tax agencies typically file tax liens only after taxes have become significantly overdue and other collection methods have failed.

maybe Shakedown Sharpton would benefit from some jail time

Read more: [Link: dailycaller.com...]

653 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:44:29am

re: #647 drcordell

The odds of a pirate hijacking are still extremely low relatively, so the shipping companies don't want to lay out the extra cash.

The odds may be low, but the result is catastrophic. Generally speaking, companies don't like those kinds of results any more than they like higher-probability but less damaging results.

654 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:44:31am

Out!!

655 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:45:03am

re: #651 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many countries won't allow port entry with armed guards.

Like Fwance?

/I had to say it

656 andres  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:45:46am

Interesting analysis on what does the HCR bill means for Small Business, from the Business Pundit.

657 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:46:19am

re: #655 thedopefishlives

Like Fwance?

/I had to say it

All their armed guards are out at sea.

658 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:47:51am

When it comes to hunger strikes, Venezuelan farmer and biologist Franklin Brito is something of an expert. He has staged at least one a year for the past six years, in protest of what he calls a government-backed invasion of his land in the southeastern state of Bolívar.

Now he is on a hunger strike again, but his protest is less visible. That is because he is virtually incommunicado on the 12th floor of the military hospital in Caracas, where he has been held against his will since Dec. 13, on the grounds that he is not responsible for his actions.

Human rights activists say his case is a prime example of what they call a government policy of criminalizing dissent.

SNIP

The government says Brito, 50, is mentally unstable and must be detained and treated for his own good. His family says he is entirely sane and merely seeks the legal restoration of his property rights.

Shortly after he was forcibly hospitalized, the country's chief prosecutor, Luisa Ortega Díaz, declared he suffered from ``disorders'' involving ``delirious ideas that may lead him to take his own life.'' Elena Brito says the family has not been allowed to participate in tests performed on her husband nor shown the results. ``Since Franklin was hospitalized,'' she said, ``we have made six requests for the reports they have compiled, and we have not been given the information.''

SNIP

Shades of the Soviet Union.

659 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:48:04am

Online Islamic sex shop opens up in Amsterdam

The combination of Islam and sex products is not an obvious one. When Aouragh’s business partner Stefan Delsink suggested selling sex items, Aouragh was dubious. A day later he agreed. “I knew that Muslims do have a need for sex products. People bring them back from the Middle East and give them to young couples,” he said.

Not knowing whether his religion would allow the trade in sex products, Aouragh visited an imam, who in turn consulted a Saudi sheik. It was allowed, he learned, as long as the products are halal and are meant to improve sex within marriage. “There is even a fatwa on the subject.” That just left the problem of how to tell his parents. “It’s a forbidden subject for the first generation here,” he said. Whenever his parents bring the matter up, Aouragh tries to quickly change the subject. “I tell them: yes, um, could I have some more tea?”

660 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:48:05am

re: #647 drcordell

The odds of a jeweler being robbed are a bit higher and the robberies do tend to get a bit more violent with every anti-theft device in place but with all that cargo, millions more than a jewelry store, but still. I'd be awfully nervous on board one of those ships without a gun at my side. A well trained security guard knows when not to use his gun. I'm just sayin...

661 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:48:11am

re: #646 thedopefishlives

Probably something along the lines of, carrying weapons or soldiers means that the vessel is no longer a neutral merchant, and is at the mercy of the countries that own whatever territorial waters they may need to sail through.

Could be.

662 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:48:38am

re: #648 laZardo

I'm not holding my breath. I was actually suspecting it was the pirates that are getting angry at al-Shabab for starting to intrude on the luxuries they can afford with their ransom money.

As long as they're fighting each other,...

663 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:50:19am

re: #645 Dragon_Lady

Congratulations on working again! I applied for a part time job as a cashier at a business right around the corner from where we live, I won't know for 2 weeks or so but it would be a cool way to get to work! A 2 minute walk, I could go for that! :-)

This past Monday, I got a call from a chain supermarket who has a store up here in my community in the Rocky Mountains. I applied there 6 months ago. They were checking if I was still looking for a job, they may have an opening for a checker.

I'm suppose to call them back tomorrow, Thursday. It's only a part time job, 20 hours a week, but I was told that there is always more hours that can be picked up. It's actually way over minimum wage.

The girlfriend and I had talked about having me hold out this time for a full time programming job, but I cannot see passing this up, it would take care of my part of the bills, it's only three miles from the house, wouldn't have to worry much about going down hill to Denver in bad weather, and it doesn't really get in the way of continuing to look for programming work.

There is no benefits, no health insurance, it's part time, but if they offer it to me, I'm going to take it. It's better than sitting around the house. I prefer keeping busy.

I did have 6 hours of contract programming work this for my only client, Kaiser, that helps at the end of the month, bills are due.

664 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:51:28am

Repost about Chavez' minister of justice, Tareck Al-Aissami.

Venezuelan investigative journalist, Patricia Poleo, who escaped Venezuela and currently lives in Miami says that Mr. Aissami together with others affiliated with Hezbollah, such as Lebanon-born Gahzi Nasserddine, currently the Business Liaison at the Venezuelan embassy in Damascus, and his brother, Ghasan Atef Salameh Nasserddi, are in charge of recruiting young Venezuelan Arabs affiliated with the 'Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela' or PSUV (Chavez's Socialist Party), to be sent to South Lebanon for combat training in Hezbollah camps preparing them for 'asymmetrical war' against the United States. Once back in Venezuela, they are greeted by radical members of the Venezuelan Socialist Party affiliated with UNEFA (the university run by the Armed Forces) and the Universidad Bolivariana de Venezuela (Venezuelan Bolivarian University) and continue with their training in firearms, explosives and munitions. The training camps are located in the states of Monagas, Miranda, el Páramo, Falcon, Yaracuy, Yumare, and Trujillo and the districts of Maturin, Los Teques, El Jari, Churuguara and Sierra de San Luis. These groups and individuals are supervised by the Hezbollah Organization in Venezuela, along with al-Qaeda Iraqis currently living in the country and by the Palestinian Democratic Front, headed by Salid Ahmed Rahman, whose office is located in Caracas's Central Park.[4]

665 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:52:03am

Heard this in church the other week: Take the passage from 1 Corinthians 13:4-7--

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.


Now replace "love" with "I":


I am patient, I am kind. I do not envy, I do not boast, I am not proud. I am not rude, I am not self-seeking, I am not easily angered, I keep no record of wrongs. I do not delight in evil but rejoice with the truth. I always protect, always trust, always hope, always persevere.

Neat, eh?

666 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:52:13am

Nose jobs, tummy tucks: Iraqis join the cosmetic surgery craze

BAGHDAD — Dr. Abbas al-Sahan’s patient wasn’t a war victim. She didn’t have a scar that needed cosmetic surgery. All she wanted was a cute nose. And she got it.

Speaking after the surgery, bandages and swelling gone, 23-year-old Sarah Saad Abdul-Hameed was ecstatic. Friends who visited “were surprised with the change in my face,” she said. “They compared my nose to Nicole Kidman’s!”

Even in the worst spasms of violence that followed the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, cosmetic surgery didn’t go out of style. Now, as the country has quieted down, nose jobs, Botox and liposuction are all the rage.

Al-Sahan, one of Baghdad’s premier plastic surgeons, said he averages about 20 cosmetic surgeries a week — 70 per cent on women. During the height of the fighting, reconstructive surgery for the wounded made up the bulk of his practice, but now most of it is cosmetics unrelated to the war, he said.

667 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:52:20am

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

Good to see your power is still on!

668 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:52:42am
669 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:53:39am

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

If nothing else, the time you spend there may result in a good reference for when you apply for a more desirable position.

670 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:53:41am

re: #667 MandyManners

Good to see your power is still on!

Is that what they are calling it now a days?

671 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:54:40am

re: #651 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many countries won't allow port entry with armed guards.

That, thankfully, is changing. The guards on the first ship attacked fought the attackers off and killed one of them, thus proving the utility of such forces.

672 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:54:54am

Republican Senate amendment-o-rama continues - here's the latest ones:

Some more Republican amendments to the reconciliation bill: Sen. John McCain proposes removing state-specific "sweetheart deals," including medical coverage extended to victims of environmental hazards in Libby, Mont. Sen. Chuck Grassley's amendment would force the president to enroll in the health care exchanges. Sen. John Barrasso's would make reform contingent on premiums increasing less than current predictions suggest.

Not as bad as yesterday's one that required Obama fulfill all campaign promises before law is in effect.

McCain though, obviously isn't running in Montana.

TPM Wire

673 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:54:55am

SOMERVILLE, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Tuesday he has a way for school districts to avoid layoffs even after their state and federal funding is slashed.
His solution: Get all public school employees to agree to salary freezes for the coming year and to contributing to their health insurance costs.

Christie is going to where the problem began in the first place...if the unions don't back off then just shut the schools down to all but volunteers imo...
the NJEA had no comment...

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

674 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:55:42am

re: #669 The Sanity Inspector

If nothing else, the time you spend there may result in a good reference for when you apply for a more desirable position.

It seems my 25 years of solid work as a programmer for some really big time companies (D.O.E, Lockheed Martin et al) doesn't seem to impress anyone anymore, maybe I can build up a NEW resume in retail... hell... I'm only 57.

675 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:55:47am

re: #665 The Sanity Inspector

Now replace "love" with "I":

I am patient, I am kind. I do not envy, I do not boast, I am not proud. I am not rude, I am not self-seeking, I am not easily angered, I keep no record of wrongs. I do not delight in evil but rejoice with the truth. I always protect, always trust, always hope, always persevere.

Neat, eh?


You said "I" 11 times in one paragraph! Narcissist!
//

676 laZardo  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:56:02am

Heading to bed. College trip to furniture factories, including one apparently run by my dad's cousin.

Cheers.

677 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:57:07am

Los Angeles sheriff defends ties with Muslim Americans

LOS ANGELES — Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca, who last week tangled with a congressman over his association with a Muslim American group, is defending his participation in Council on American-Islamic Relations fundraisers.

Republican Indiana Congressman Mark Souder impugned Baca during a House Homeland Security subcommittee meeting, saying CAIR engaged in radical speech in an apparent challenge to the sheriff's patriotism.

Baca, who got a standing ovation at a Tuesday evening town hall meeting with the Muslim American community, said Souder's comments were an affront to every Muslim in America.

Baca attacked Souder's "radical" description of CAIR, saying it's not a terrorist group. The sheriff says he will now attend even more fundraisers, calling Souder "an amateur intelligence officer."

678 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:57:16am

Stupak gets death threats

Stupak, the Michigan Democrat whose last-minute compromise on abortion guaranteed passage of the bill Sunday, said callers have left messages for him saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you.”

“My wife still can’t answer the phone,” Stupak told POLITICO Tuesday. The messages are “full of obscenities if she leaves it plugged in. In my office, we can’t get a phone out. It’s just bombarded.”

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

679 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:57:42am

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

Cool! Go for it, working part time is a lot better than not working at all, even if its for less money. I'm actually a tiny bit worried that they won't call me in for an interview because I'm used to making a lot more money that I'm sure their offering. At my last job I made $425.00 per week before taxes and a lot of companies get a bit intimidated by those kinds of numbers. Why do they ask that kind of thing anyway? Everybody knows that if your applying for the job you'd must know its going to be less that you got before and you'd must be willing to take the salary offered!

680 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 8:58:28am

re: #664 MandyManners

Repost about Chavez' minister of justice, Tareck Al-Aissami.

That Chavez. He hangs out with all the wrong people.

681 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:00:24am

re: #679 Dragon_Lady

Cool! Go for it, working part time is a lot better than not working at all, even if its for less money. I'm actually a tiny bit worried that they won't call me in for an interview because I'm used to making a lot more money that I'm sure their offering. At my last job I made $425.00 per week before taxes and a lot of companies get a bit intimidated by those kinds of numbers. Why do they ask that kind of thing anyway? Everybody knows that if your applying for the job you'd must know its going to be less that you got before and you'd must be willing to take the salary offered!

In the last 20 years, I've made as much as 57 dollars an hour as a programmer, and as little as 10 dollars an hour as a programmer. I work because I like to work, I take a job because I know I can deal with the salary... I'm not going to apply for a job that is not going to take care of the basics... don't these people realize this?

682 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:00:33am

re: #673 albusteve

SOMERVILLE, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Tuesday he has a way for school districts to avoid layoffs even after their state and federal funding is slashed.
His solution: Get all public school employees to agree to salary freezes for the coming year and to contributing to their health insurance costs.

Christie is going to where the problem began in the first place...if the unions don't back off then just shut the schools down to all but volunteers imo...
the NJEA had no comment...

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

He's right to do that. The Teacher's Union have to be brought to heel, and now is the time to do that. Christie is wise to not let the crisis go to waste.

683 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:03:58am

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

In the last 20 years, I've made as much as 57 dollars an hour as a programmer, and as little as 10 dollars an hour as a programmer. I work because I like to work, I take a job because I know I can deal with the salary... I'm not going to apply for a job that is not going to take care of the basics... don't these people realize this?

Sometimes I don't think they do, or if they do they don't care that you have bills to pay and just about any pay check is better that no pay check. I got passed over for a job because they thought I'd demand more money as soon as they hired me even though I had much better qualifications that the person they hired. *sigh* I guess that's what happens in an employers market. It gets discouraging sometimes. :-(

684 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:04:38am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

It seems my 25 years of solid work as a programmer for some really big time companies (D.O.E, Lockheed Martin et al) doesn't seem to impress anyone anymore, maybe I can build up a NEW resume in retail... hell... I'm only 57.

I would work at a local grocery in a heartbeat, and for minimum wage...as you know my working days are over for now, but that sounds like fun...I actually enjoy being out of the loop, if my money holds out til the end...and btw, just as predicted, it's snowing again down here and I'm at only 5300ft....people are nervous that the levees are gonna be stressed out this year...what a winter

685 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:05:33am

re: #682 Dark_Falcon

The teachers are not the problem. The administrators, who have increased in numbers hugely over the past few decades, are the much more critical problem.

686 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:06:26am

re: #684 albusteve

I would work at a local grocery in a heartbeat, and for minimum wage...as you know my working days are over for now, but that sounds like fun...I actually enjoy being out of the loop, if my money holds out til the end...and btw, just as predicted, it's snowing again down here and I'm at only 5300ft...people are nervous that the levees are gonna be stressed out this year...what a winter

We got another foot last night, it's just slowing down right now...

687 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:07:19am

Truth delayed is truth denied. Or at least truth was denied until yesterday, when the fig leaf of "health-care reform" was shredded. Finally exposed was the Holy Grail of the ruthless quest.

It was so our Narcissist-In-Chief could claim another notch on history's belt.

Don't think for a second the whole last year was about reducing the deficit or bending the cost curve. Nor was it ever really about helping Americans who need better medical care. A handful of those poor souls were there again yesterday, human props for his show.

As he smugly read the roster of predecessors who tried and failed, from T.R. to Bill and Hillary, there was no pretense of modesty. This was about him.

SNIP

688 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:07:39am

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

Is that what they are calling it now a days?

*rimshot*

689 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:08:15am

re: #685 Obdicut

The teachers are not the problem. The administrators, who have increased in numbers hugely over the past few decades, are the much more critical problem.

I'd argue its both, because you are right about the administrators. Such positions are often political payoffs, and their holders less than qualified. Still, the only way Christie can fight that is by playing hardball. The worst part is that the kids will be caught in the middle. That part just stinks, but there's nothing for it; Reform will be great pain in this case, and now is the time for it.

690 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:08:30am

re: #680 Dark_Falcon

That Chavez. He hangs out with all the wrong people.

He seeks them out.

691 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:08:44am

re: #688 MandyManners

*rimshot*

rim WHAT? Oh, shot, never mind.

692 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:09:30am

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

In the last 20 years, I've made as much as 57 dollars an hour as a programmer, and as little as 10 dollars an hour as a programmer. I work because I like to work, I take a job because I know I can deal with the salary... I'm not going to apply for a job that is not going to take care of the basics... don't these people realize this?

My old boss (well, to be more specific, my boss's boss) was laid off. When the higher ups were telling him, he volunteered to be demoted and take a pay cut down to my boss's level. They refused, so he volunteered to be demoted and take a pay cut down to my level. Basically, my boss would now be his boss, and I would be his equal. They refused.

I think my salary would still take care of the basics for him, but I was still amazed he was trying to do that.

693 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:09:36am

re: #678 Stanley Sea

Stupak gets death threats

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Because threatening to kill someone is a great way to advance your cause or get them to take you seriously.

///

694 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:09:39am

re: #684 albusteve

I would work at a local grocery in a heartbeat, and for minimum wage...as you know my working days are over for now, but that sounds like fun...I actually enjoy being out of the loop, if my money holds out til the end...and btw, just as predicted, it's snowing again down here and I'm at only 5300ft...people are nervous that the levees are gonna be stressed out this year...what a winter

re: #686 Walter L. Newton

We got another foot last night, it's just slowing down right now...

I wish I could live in snow country *sigh* I love the snow, I've only seen it maybe five or six times in my life time and its so beautiful, even with the probs that come with it. Unfortunately it would cripple me before you could say "Rumpelstiltskin" and I would end up a hot house flower.

695 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:09:42am

re: #688 MandyManners

*rimshot*

The snow last night up here at 8200 feet was very dry, so we didn't get the hanging tree limbs, power pole problems, but in Denver, it was very wet, and there is some pockets of power out right now.

696 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:10:03am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

It seems my 25 years of solid work as a programmer for some really big time companies (D.O.E, Lockheed Martin et al) doesn't seem to impress anyone anymore, maybe I can build up a NEW resume in retail... hell... I'm only 57.

697 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:10:16am

re: #692 soap_man

My old boss (well, to be more specific, my boss's boss) was laid off. When the higher ups were telling him, he volunteered to be demoted and take a pay cut down to my boss's level. They refused, so he volunteered to be demoted and take a pay cut down to my level. Basically, my boss would now be his boss, and I would be his equal. They refused.

I think my salary would still take care of the basics for him, but I was still amazed he was trying to do that.

That is a stand-up guy; I'd work for him in a heart-beat.

699 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:12:00am

re: #694 Dragon_Lady

I wish I could live in snow country *sigh* I love the snow, I've only seen it maybe five or six times in my life time and its so beautiful, even with the probs that come with it. Unfortunately it would cripple me before you could say "Rumpelstiltskin" and I would end up a hot house flower.

Well... there is always an open offer to all Lizards, if you are ever in the Denver area, there's a guest room ready for a few nights... hell... I even let Cato the Elder in here a few months ago... with his blow up Sarah Palin Doll.

700 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:12:13am

re: #692 soap_man

My old boss (well, to be more specific, my boss's boss) was laid off. When the higher ups were telling him, he volunteered to be demoted and take a pay cut down to my boss's level. They refused, so he volunteered to be demoted and take a pay cut down to my level. Basically, my boss would now be his boss, and I would be his equal. They refused.

I think my salary would still take care of the basics for him, but I was still amazed he was trying to do that.

Bosses like that are far and few between, sounds like your company lost a good man. Bummer...

701 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:12:30am
702 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:12:37am

re: #698 ShaunP

Did that appear in the news or opinion section?

It's an opinion piece.

703 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:12:50am

re: #698 ShaunP

Did that appear in the news or opinion section?

Whatev - It's the NY Post!

704 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:13:36am

re: #697 Guanxi88

That is a stand-up guy; I'd work for him in a heart-beat.

He was a great boss, probably the best I've ever had. My office had three mid-level managers and him at the top in a senior position. Of those four, he was the last person they should have fired. They should have canned one of the three mid-level bosses (one was a huge jerk, another was completely incompetent) and dropped him down to their level. It would have made the payroll the same in the end.

But they were set on getting rid of him and wouldn't look at any other options.

705 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:13:39am

re: #699 Walter L. Newton

Well... there is always an open offer to all Lizards, if you are ever in the Denver area, there's a guest room ready for a few nights... hell... I even let Cato the Elder in here a few months ago... with his blow up Sarah Palin Doll.

Appreciate the offer, if I ever get to go that lovely state I'll let ya know. :-)

706 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:14:00am

re: #703 Stanley Sea

Whatev - It's the NY Post!

I grant you, it's not quite up to the standards of, say, ThinkProgress or the TPM, but the NYPOST is still a fine publication.

707 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:14:17am

re: #702 Guanxi88

It's an opinion piece.

I'd have to be blind not to realize that. I just wondered if the post ran it as a news piece. It's not clearly labeled on the website...

708 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:14:41am

re: #706 Guanxi88

I grant you, it's not quite up to the standards of, say, ThinkProgress or the TPM, but the NYPOST is still a fine publication.

I read it to find out who's doing who, but that's about it.

709 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:15:15am

re: #708 Stanley Sea

I read it to find out who's doing who, but that's about it.

They used to be good about covering organized crime, but since that's kinda quieted down, they move on to other fields.

710 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:15:16am

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

The snow last night up here at 8200 feet was very dry, so we didn't get the hanging tree limbs, power pole problems, but in Denver, it was very wet, and there is some pockets of power out right now.

It can do a lot of damage to trees that've started putting out leaves.

711 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:15:36am

re: #672 Stanley Sea

Republican Senate amendment-o-rama continues

Yep. Including Tom Coburn's latest idea: No Viagra for Sex Offenders

712 albusteve  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:15:59am

re: #694 Dragon_Lady

I wish I could live in snow country *sigh* I love the snow, I've only seen it maybe five or six times in my life time and its so beautiful, even with the probs that come with it. Unfortunately it would cripple me before you could say "Rumpelstiltskin" and I would end up a hot house flower.

I'm in Albuquerque and the snow melts pretty quick, but it's indicative of the weather at higher elevations....every mountain range in the state has snow on them....very unusual, and of course, water is life....this spring and early summer will a textbook, postcard year in the desert, with all the creeks and rivers running full tilt

713 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:16:01am

re: #698 ShaunP

Did that appear in the news or opinion section?

How about finding out? It's only a click away.

714 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:16:09am

re: #707 ShaunP

I'd have to be blind not to realize that. I just wondered if the post ran it as a news piece. It's not clearly labeled on the website...

I'd imagine most Post readers are probably able to distinguish opinion commentary from news content; give them some credit.

715 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:16:36am

re: #706 Guanxi88

I grant you, it's not quite up to the standards of, say, ThinkProgress or the TPM, but the NYPOST is still a fine publication.

*snicker*

716 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:17:26am

re: #713 MandyManners

How about finding out? It's only a click away.

Gimme Shelter:

717 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:17:37am

I'll take a fact check of TP or TPM any day.

718 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:18:32am

re: #700 Dragon_Lady

Bosses like that are far and few between, sounds like your company lost a good man. Bummer...

They did lose a good man. But I don't work there anymore. Him getting fired was the last straw for a lot of people there. We understood there would be layoffs, but he was so respected—and other bosses were so disliked—that everybody got pissed. I jumped ship and went to their closest competitor a few months later (I still work here.)

719 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:19:40am

re: #713 MandyManners

How about finding out? It's only a click away.

I already read the article. As I stated; it's not clearly noted on the website...

re: #714 Guanxi88

I'd imagine most Post readers are probably able to distinguish opinion commentary from news content; give them some credit.

It's not about giving credit to readers; it's about a paper's credibility. Mixing news and opinion pieces without drawing a line between them is questionable at best...

720 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:20:17am

re: #718 soap_man

They did lose a good man. But I don't work there anymore. Him getting fired was the last straw for a lot of people there. We understood there would be layoffs, but he was so respected—and other bosses were so disliked—that everybody got pissed. I jumped ship and went to their closest competitor a few months later (I still work here.)

Sometimes that happens. Corporate makes up its mind and simply does not listen to those who are actually doing the work. I've been on the receiving end of that too, and I've seen a good manager forced out that way as well.

721 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:20:17am

re: #712 albusteve

I'm in Albuquerque and the snow melts pretty quick, but it's indicative of the weather at higher elevations...every mountain range in the state has snow on them...very unusual, and of course, water is life...this spring and early summer will a textbook, postcard year in the desert, with all the creeks and rivers running full tilt

The mountains here in sunny So Cal got quit a bit the winter, but we have to drive anywhere up to 2 to 3 hours to see it. I'm just a country girl at heart stuck in the big city concrete jungle, that's why I have over 60 trees and potted plants on our porch. I long for a piece of dirt I can call my own and where I can plant my roses in the ground.

722 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:20:41am

re: #716 Guanxi88

Gimme Shelter:

[Video]

That song was running through my mind as I wrote.

723 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:20:53am

re: #718 soap_man

They did lose a good man. But I don't work there anymore. Him getting fired was the last straw for a lot of people there. We understood there would be layoffs, but he was so respected—and other bosses were so disliked—that everybody got pissed. I jumped ship and went to their closest competitor a few months later (I still work here.)

Good for you! Upding for smartness!

724 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:21:09am

re: #719 ShaunP

It's not about giving credit to readers; it's about a paper's credibility. Mixing news and opinion pieces without drawing a line between them is questionable at best...

When you hit their site, then hit the "News" link, you'll see, down the left hand side, a list of columns and columnists. The line is a large vertical one.

725 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:21:43am

re: #719 ShaunP

It's not about giving credit to readers; it's about a paper's credibility. Mixing news and opinion pieces without drawing a line between them is questionable at best...

Guess the subject really got to you.

726 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:22:05am

re: #347 garhighway

There is no bigger scam than consumer class actions. Plaintiff lawyers take down huge fees and the class members get squat. Those things are money machines for plaintiff lawyers and accomplish no other useful purpose.

I once read about a class-action suit, I think it involved plastic piping or some such. The plaintiffs were awarded $119 million, but the lawyer kept $109 million for his fee. Then the plaintiffs sued the lawyer...

727 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:22:11am

re: #720 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes that happens. Corporate makes up its mind and simply does not listen to those who are actually doing the work. I've been on the receiving end of that too, and I've seen a good manager forced out that way as well.

How's your job search going?

728 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:23:32am

re: #724 Guanxi88

When you hit their site, then hit the "News" link, you'll see, down the left hand side, a list of columns and columnists. The line is a large vertical one.

And the url lists the article under newsnational. So no, it's not clear. That's why I asked...

729 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:24:25am

re: #726 The Sanity Inspector

I once read about a class-action suit, I think it involved plastic piping or some such. The plaintiffs were awarded $119 million, but the lawyer kept $109 million for his fee. Then the plaintiffs sued the lawyer...

Man what a rip off artist! I certainly hope the plaintiffs got their just rewards!

730 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:25:05am

re: #725 MandyManners

Guess the subject really got to you.

No, the fact that I couldn't distinguish whether the article ran as news or opinion irked me.

If you didn't know the answer, you could have just said as much, instead of all the smoke and mirrors crap...

731 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:25:54am

re: #730 ShaunP

No, the fact that I couldn't distinguish whether the article ran as news or opinion irked me.

If you didn't know the answer, you could have just said as much, instead of all the smoke and mirrors crap...

What "smoke and mirrors crap" have I put forth? Huh?

732 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:27:50am

re: #730 ShaunP

No, the fact that I couldn't distinguish whether the article ran as news or opinion irked me.

If you didn't know the answer, you could have just said as much, instead of all the smoke and mirrors crap...

I have posted twice directly about the article. How's that "all the smoke and mirrors crap"? Guanxi's posted more. Why jump on me?

733 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:27:57am

re: #727 reine.de.tout

How's your job search going?

Fairly well. I've got a interview later today, and two of them tomorrow, the first of which is a second interview kicked back from last week. It's for a good job, and I hope I can get it. Won't know tomorrow, since the place does three interviews all told.

734 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:28:20am

re: #731 MandyManners

What "smoke and mirrors crap" have I put forth? Huh?

Instead of answering what I thought was a pretty simple question, I get responses like:

"give post readers credit"
-and-
"the subject must have gotten to you"

But my original question still remains unanswered...

735 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:28:37am

re: #728 ShaunP

And the url lists the article under newsnational. So no, it's not clear. That's why I asked...

I'm not a fan of the NY Post, but honestly, I rarely look at how a long URL reads, that's just odd.

Were you really unable to figure out that this was an opinion piece based on how it reads? You need someone to tell you?

736 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:29:19am

re: #735 reine.de.tout

I'm not a fan of the NY Post, but honestly, I rarely look at how a long URL reads, that's just odd.

Were you really unable to figure out that this was an opinion piece based on how it reads? You need someone to tell you?

Seems like even that doesn't answer the original question, though. I'm not sure where this is going

737 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:30:12am

If there is any LOST fans here... opinion on last night episode?

738 blueraven  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:31:20am

re: #678 Stanley Sea

Stupak gets death threats

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Some of these tea party people are acting in the extreme. When they start physically threatening congressmen and their families, they have crossed the line from activism to terrorism.

739 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:31:26am

re: #735 reine.de.tout

I'm not a fan of the NY Post, but honestly, I rarely look at how a long URL reads, that's just odd.

Were you really unable to figure out that this was an opinion piece based on how it reads? You need someone to tell you?

I wasn't asking if it was opinion, but how it ran. Open the paper, does it sit on page 5 or is it in the editorial section. That's all I was wondering. I wasn't making accusations or calling anyone out. Just inquiring about a paper's practices, since I couldn't distinguish on my own.

Nevermind, nevermind...

740 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:31:42am

re: #723 Dragon_Lady

Good for you! Upding for smartness!

The funny thing is that I didn't approach my new company, they approached me. They picked up on the low morale and figured they could scoop up some of the folks they liked. It was a win-win for them, they get some ambitious people who are happy to work for a more stable company while their competitor loses experienced people. I'm one of two that left.

741 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:31:45am

re: #736 Guanxi88

Seems like even that doesn't answer the original question, though. I'm not sure where this is going

I think where it's going is that he doesn't agree with the piece, and honestly, I didn't like it myself.

But if it's disagreement with the piece, then just say so.

742 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:31:54am

re: #734 ShaunP

Instead of answering what I thought was a pretty simple question, I get responses like:

"give post readers credit"
-and-
"the subject must have gotten to you"

But my original question still remains unanswered...

Would somebody in NYC please go down and buy a copy of the Post so we can scan the page and put an end to this?

743 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:32:24am

re: #742 Guanxi88

Would somebody in NYC please go down and buy a copy of the Post so we can scan the page and put an end to this?

It's over, I'm done. Where's my white flag...

744 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:33:03am

re: #735 reine.de.tout

I'm not a fan of the NY Post, but honestly, I rarely look at how a long URL reads, that's just odd.

Were you really unable to figure out that this was an opinion piece based on how it reads? You need someone to tell you?

I must know who A-Rod is dating these days./

745 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:33:09am

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

Best of good fortune, Walter.
Good Luck.

746 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:33:13am

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I just went through all the disks I burned when I changed jobs last year, and my 2008 taxes weren't on any of them. So I go to TurboTax's web-site to see if I can download last year's return, and they don't have a record either because I used the destkop version. Normally, I store a copy on my gmail, but all I have there are 2007 and 2006. Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! This sucks. Now I get to enter everything by hand. Fuck!

747 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:33:29am

re: #743 ShaunP

It's over, I'm done. Where's my white flag...

You shouldn't pick fight anyways! I'm glad you're waving the white flag, now lets move on...

748 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:33:38am

re: #743 ShaunP

It's over, I'm done. Where's my white flag...

It's in the sports section!


(you're a good egg!)

749 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:33:46am

re: #734 ShaunP

Instead of answering what I thought was a pretty simple question, I get responses like:

"give post readers credit"
-and-
"the subject must have gotten to you"

But my original question still remains unanswered...

Again, why jump on me? I was not the only one posting.

750 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:34:29am

re: #746 darthstar

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I just went through all the disks I burned when I changed jobs last year, and my 2008 taxes weren't on any of them. So I go to TurboTax's web-site to see if I can download last year's return, and they don't have a record either because I used the destkop version. Normally, I store a copy on my gmail, but all I have there are 2007 and 2006. Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! This sucks. Now I get to enter everything by hand. Fuck!

May I assume from this that you are a bit put out?

751 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:35:04am

re: #742 Guanxi88

Would somebody in NYC please go down and buy a copy of the Post so we can scan the page and put an end to this?

*spwe*

752 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:35:47am

re: #746 darthstar

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I just went through all the disks I burned when I changed jobs last year, and my 2008 taxes weren't on any of them. So I go to TurboTax's web-site to see if I can download last year's return, and they don't have a record either because I used the destkop version. Normally, I store a copy on my gmail, but all I have there are 2007 and 2006. Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! This sucks. Now I get to enter everything by hand. Fuck!

Print & file the thing in the filing cabinet this time. Also, consider saving it as a pdf and uploading it to Goodle Docs or something.

753 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:35:47am

re: #746 darthstar

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I just went through all the disks I burned when I changed jobs last year, and my 2008 taxes weren't on any of them. So I go to TurboTax's web-site to see if I can download last year's return, and they don't have a record either because I used the destkop version. Normally, I store a copy on my gmail, but all I have there are 2007 and 2006. Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! This sucks. Now I get to enter everything by hand. Fuck!

So, I take it you're not happy.

754 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:36:01am

re: #749 MandyManners

Again, why jump on me? I was not the only one posting.

I was just asking a question. No attack, no malice, no ill will. Sorry if it came off that way. (???)

755 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:36:15am

re: #749 MandyManners

Again, why jump on me? I was not the only one posting.

Seems like a lot of that going around lately, Mandy! RWC and I don't like it!

756 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:36:42am

re: #746 darthstar

Maybe the IRS can provide you with a copy.

757 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:36:54am

re: #750 reine.de.tout

May I assume from this that you are a bit put out?

Yes. That's a safe assumption. I was hoping to make it easy this year. I need to do them twice, once as married filing separately, and once filing jointly, to see which way we should go. Oh well...shit happens.

Time to get some work done and earn my paycheck.

758 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:36:56am

re: #752 The Sanity Inspector

Print & file the thing in the filing cabinet this time. Also, consider saving it as a pdf and uploading it to Goodle Docs or something.

Yeah, paper copies never fail.

759 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:37:24am

Has Walter been here? Saw that Colorado and other parts of the eastern slopes of the Rockes are getting dumped on with another big snow storm.

760 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:37:33am

re: #746 darthstar

Is it worth trying to retrieve from the IRS?

761 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:37:55am

Because this worked out so well the last time it happened, Newt is pushing for a sequel:

Government Shutdown II: Electric Boogaloo

If that doesn't work, I wonder if someone will end up pushing for Obama's impeachment.

762 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:38:09am

Dear Mr President .... Jerusalem is not an illegal settlement, so please educate yourself and understand that. And if you insist on telling Israel where its citizens can live, in fairness you should also require arab allies and aid recipients such as saudi arabia, egypt, and jordan to allow the unlimited building of churches and synagogues in their countries.

I won't hold my breath ...

763 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:38:11am

re: #754 ShaunP

I was just asking a question. No attack, no malice, no ill will. Sorry if it came off that way. (???)

I think you tried to white-wash the subject of the piece by an attempt to smear the NY Post AND readers you deem too dumb to figure out what's opinion or straight reporting.

Now, I'm done.

764 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:38:11am

re: #737 Walter L. Newton

Best episode of the season, if not the past few seasons. And how Hugo seems to know what's going on is downright intriguing. It also reaffirms my belief that the whole purpose of Lost is to be a morality plan and we're looking at Jacob and Esau - battle of good and evil, freewill v. fate.

765 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:38:36am

re: #759 pingjockey

Has Walter been here? Saw that Colorado and other parts of the eastern slopes of the Rockes are getting dumped on with another big snow storm.

Yeah he was posting around here a little while ago. Check the "Show Users" button, he may have logged off earlier...

766 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:38:43am

re: #761 Lidane

Because this worked out so well the last time it happened, Newt is pushing for a sequel:

Government Shutdown II: Electric Boogaloo

If that doesn't work, I wonder if someone will end up pushing for Obama's impeachment.

I dunno, the last time they had a shutdown, the POTUS struck up an embarrassing affair with an intern.....

767 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:39:42am

re: #755 Dragon_Lady

Seems like a lot of that going around lately, Mandy! RWC and I don't like it!

That's why I like my GAZE tool. I saw someone call me out at the top of the thread but I just scrolled down. Not worth my time.

768 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:39:58am

re: #757 darthstar

Yes. That's a safe assumption. I was hoping to make it easy this year. I need to do them twice, once as married filing separately, and once filing jointly, to see which way we should go. Oh well...shit happens.

Time to get some work done and earn my paycheck.

I completely understand the frustration.
Put it into perspective . . . you have a good paying job, a safe home, probably everything you need and most of what you want.

Life could be worse. This aggravating but in the grand scheme of things, minor.

769 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:40:19am

re: #759 pingjockey

Has Walter been here? Saw that Colorado and other parts of the eastern slopes of the Rockes are getting dumped on with another big snow storm.

He's here.

770 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:40:35am

re: #761 Lidane
I didn't like the whole impeachment nonsense when the left howled about GWB and my patience with the right is over when they start howling about it. Same with Obamas' gonna cancel midterms. Goddamn idiots right and left have drove me to distraction. Frakkin' knotheads.

771 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:14am

re: #751 MandyManners

*spwe*

er, um, what is this *spwe*.
/

:-)

772 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:18am

re: #765 Dragon_Lady
Thanks. Hope he's okay.

773 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:25am

re: #755 Dragon_Lady

Seems like a lot of that going around lately, Mandy! RWC and I don't like it!

Eh, folk are kinda prickly these days. Feelings are still running kinda high. What it all means, who can say, but even I caught myself being abrupt with a nun just last week.

774 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:30am

re: #766 Guanxi88

I dunno, the last time they had a shutdown, the POTUS struck up an embarrassing affair with an intern...

I misread that as "stuck up" and that brought to mind cigars and, well. Just never mind.

775 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:42am

I still have never seen an episode of Lost. I'm enjoying Justified, and this week I'm getting the second seasons of Breaking Bad and Burn Notice from Netflix.

776 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:45am

re: #767 MandyManners

That's why I like my GAZE tool. I saw someone call me out at the top of the thread but I just scrolled down. Not worth my time.

I don't care for bullies.

777 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:49am

The FBI is very busy

Law enforcement authorities are investigating the discovery of a cut propane gas line at the Virginia home of Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother, whose address was targeted by tea party activists angry at the congressman’s vote for the health care bill.

The put out the address of Rep. Perriello's brother by mistake.

And, Sarah Palin's PAC has a map of Democratic reps who voted yes with gun sights over them.

778 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:41:59am

re: #769 MandyManners
Thanks, BTW Hi there!

779 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:42:16am

re: #754 ShaunP

I was just asking a question. No attack, no malice, no ill will. Sorry if it came off that way. (???)

Don't try to con us!
// ;)

780 soap_man  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:42:32am

re: #764 lawhawk

Best episode of the season, if not the past few seasons. And how Hugo seems to know what's going on is downright intriguing. It also reaffirms my belief that the whole purpose of Lost is to be a morality plan and we're looking at Jacob and Esau - battle of good and evil, freewill v. fate.

I missed it last night, but hear it was excellent. I have a date with Hulu this evening.

781 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:43:13am

re: #761 Lidane

Because this worked out so well the last time it happened, Newt is pushing for a sequel:

Government Shutdown II: Electric Boogaloo

If that doesn't work, I wonder if someone will end up pushing for Obama's impeachment.

That's not a good idea. The public will simply see the GOP has having a temper tantrum.

782 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:47:17am

re: #768 reine.de.tout

I completely understand the frustration.
Put it into perspective . . . you have a good paying job, a safe home, probably everything you need and most of what you want.

Life could be worse. This aggravating but in the grand scheme of things, minor.

Which side of the street?


783 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:47:37am

re: #771 reine.de.tout

er, um, what is this *spwe*.
/

:-)

Cold tea.

784 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:48:12am

re: #766 Guanxi88

I dunno, the last time they had a shutdown, the POTUS struck up an embarrassing affair with an intern...

Yeah, but the current POTUS seems to have better self-preservation instincts than Clinton ever did, and he has his mother-in-law living in the White House with him. I don't see any affairs with interns happening.

785 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:48:12am

re: #764 lawhawk

Best episode of the season, if not the past few seasons. And how Hugo seems to know what's going on is downright intriguing. It also reaffirms my belief that the whole purpose of Lost is to be a morality plan and we're looking at Jacob and Esau - battle of good and evil, freewill v. fate.

Yes it was... and, let me suggest something, the alternate time line we are seeing is not the idyllic little word as it appears to be, it's actually the "world" which will experience what happens when the Island doesn't exist anymore to contain the "evil."

At the end of the episode, we see the man in black break the bottle, not remove the cork. It was his plan all along to release himself from the Island not by getting rid of Jacob, but by getting rid of the Island, aka... the Incident (the explosion).

Remember, at the beginning of the season, in the alternate timeline, we see the Island at the bottom of the ocean. What we haven't seen yet, in the alternate time line, is what happens in a world where that "evil" is not contained.

We will...

786 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:48:16am

re: #776 Dragon_Lady

I don't care for bullies.

Atomic wedgies get to me.

787 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:48:39am

re: #778 pingjockey

Thanks, BTW Hi there!

How's it going with you?

788 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:49:43am

re: #786 MandyManners

Atomic wedgies get to me.

Mandy you crack me up! Upding for wedgies! :-)

789 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:49:44am

re: #785 Walter L. Newton
How much snow did you get?

790 acwgusa  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:50:24am

I've come to the conclusion that the Europeans really don't understand us at all when it comes to the role of government. We don't rely on our governments to give us stuff, we have a fundamental distrust of government, and for good, solid historical factual evidence for reasons why we distrust government.

To Europeans, U.S. Universal Health Care Is Long Overdue

And it's not even Universal! It's a uniquely kludgy system only the U.S. could slap together!

791 darthstar  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:50:32am

Okay...this is kind of funny...in an "I can't believe he did that" kind of way. Bush and Clinton in Haiti greeting the victims of the earthquake and shaking their hands. Watch carefully around the 12 second mark. Always classy.

792 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:51:19am

re: #787 MandyManners
Cabin fever. The doc put me on light duty and I'm not trained to work in the office, so I'm home going nuts. The laundry is done every day, the vacuum is getting over used and the back yard is spotless!

793 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:52:13am

re: #786 MandyManners

BTW, did you see my new avatar? RWC made it for me and I like it better that the other one. Dragons should be made of flames!

794 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:54:20am

re: #786 MandyManners

Atomic wedgies get to me.

Swirlies are the worst.

795 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55:06am

re: #794 thedopefishlives

Swirlies are the worst.

Chester Baxters aren't that great, either/

796 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55:43am

re: #795 Guanxi88

Chester Baxters aren't that great, either/

You lost me on that one.

797 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:55:47am

re: #795 Guanxi88
WTF is a Chester Baxter?

798 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:56:24am

re: #796 thedopefishlives

You lost me on that one.

re: #797 pingjockey

WTF is a Chester Baxter?

I'm with you guys, WTF?

799 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:57:09am

re: #790 acwgusa

I've come to the conclusion that the Europeans really don't understand us at all when it comes to the role of government. We don't rely on our governments to give us stuff, we have a fundamental distrust of government, and for good, solid historical factual evidence for reasons why we distrust government.

To Europeans, U.S. Universal Health Care Is Long Overdue

And it's not even Universal! It's a uniquely kludgy system only the U.S. could slap together!

There is a serious cultural barrier that makes it hard for them to understand where we're coming from. The anti-American angle taken by their media doesn't help either.

800 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:57:16am

re: #790 acwgusa

I've come to the conclusion that the Europeans really don't understand us at all when it comes to the role of government. We don't rely on our governments to give us stuff, we have a fundamental distrust of government, and for good, solid historical factual evidence for reasons why we distrust government.

To Europeans, U.S. Universal Health Care Is Long Overdue

And it's not even Universal! It's a uniquely kludgy system only the U.S. could slap together!



If Amrican journalists have done a terrific job of painting our politicians as rascals and incompetents, European journalists have done an equally terrific job of painting mainstream European politicians as noble statesmen--or, in Tony Judt's words, "a brilliant elite."
-- Bruce Bawer, While Europe Slept

801 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:57:18am

re: #789 pingjockey

How much snow did you get?

Here at 8200 feet, at least a foot, north of here, at around the same elevation, they got 18-23 inches, Denver go about 8-12 inches. Our snow up here was very dry, Denver's snow was very wet. I don't have the official figure for my town yet.

802 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:58:33am

re: #789 pingjockey

How much snow did you get?

And it's still lightly snowing, will probably do that off and on for the rest of the day. We always get a little wrap around from the back end of these fronts.

803 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:59:14am

re: #798 Dragon_Lady

I'm with you guys, WTF?

The name pretty much describes how the wedgie is done. It starts at the chest and goes to the back:

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

804 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:59:27am

re: #801 Walter L. Newton
Thanks, hope you're fine. Our local ski hill is able to stay open for a couple extra weeks due to some late snow. It's at 6800 ft. and my 16 yr old got to ski with some of the Olympic team who was here training before Vancouver.

805 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:00:42am

re: #803 Lidane
Well, if I was at work I'd take the day off because I just learned something new! Never heard a wedgie called a Chester Baxter.

806 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:00:58am

Going up

807 Donna Ballard  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:01:42am

re: #803 Lidane

The name pretty much describes how the wedgie is done. It starts at the chest and goes to the back:

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

I'm not sure I should thank you for the explanation or yell "Ewwwww" over it. But I did ask for it. *sigh*

808 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:03:10am

re: #807 Dragon_Lady

I'm not sure I should thank you for the explanation or yell "Ewww" over it. But I did ask for it. *sigh*

Heh. Either one works. It's all good. ;)

IIRC, it's a Malcom in the Middle reference, so if you didn't watch that show, you might have missed it.

809 blueraven  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:04:15am

re: #799 Dark_Falcon

There is a serious cultural barrier that makes it hard for them to understand where we're coming from. The anti-American angle taken by their media doesn't help either.

I think the same could be said in reverse.

810 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:36:31am

re: #809 blueraven

I think the same could be said in reverse.

True.

811 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:46:10am

re: #614 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm going to see the Pirates today!!

Give those Pirates RPGs and AK-47s and they still couldn't win the NL Central... :p

812 garhighway  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:54:00am

re: #682 Dark_Falcon

He's right to do that. The Teacher's Union have to be brought to heel, and now is the time to do that. Christie is wise to not let the crisis go to waste.

Absolutely.

Contracts are for pussies, and anyone howling about the sanctity of contracts is just not with the program. They clearly don't understand that "sanctity of contract" is a concept that only applies to contracts we like with people we like, and everyone else can just go screw.

813 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:00:28am

re: #801 Walter L. Newton

Here at 8200 feet, at least a foot, north of here, at around the same elevation, they got 18-23 inches, Denver go about 8-12 inches. Our snow up here was very dry, Denver's snow was very wet. I don't have the official figure for my town yet.

How important is the snow pack buildup in that part of the state over the winter compared to farther west? (My brother-in-law lives in the Yampa Valley and the winter snow level is real important for deciding how much water the various irrigation ditches get to use (if they are allowed to be opened at all) as the snow melts over the spring and summer.

814 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:02:22am

More bright ideas from the teabaggers:

Virginia Tea Partiers Endorse Posting Periello’s Home Address, Insist They’re Not ‘A Violent Group Of People’

On Monday, Lynchburg Tea Party member Mike Troxel posted what he believed to be the home address of Rep. Tom Periello (D-VA), encouraging people to drop by for a “good face-to-face chat”:

Just in case any of his friends and neighbors want to drop by and say hi and express their thanks regarding his vote for healthcare. I personally believe it’s so important for representatives to remain fully grounded and to remember exactly what it is their constituents are saying and how they are telling them to vote. Nothing quite does that like a good face-to-face chat. It has a much more personal touch to it.

As Politico explained, the address Troxel posted was actually the address of Periello’s brother, who lives with his wife and four children under the age of eight. “If they [Periello's staff] would like to provide me with the address of Tom, then I’d be more than happy to take it down,” he said. “I have no reason to believe it’s not his house.”

However, yesterday, after receiving evidence from a commenter that the address did indeed belong to Periello’s brother, Troxel erased it, even though he didn’t yet have the congressman’s address. (The site is currently down because the “bandwidth limit” has been exceeded.)

ThinkProgress spoke to Troxel yesterday, who said he would “probably” still post Periello’s address if he found it. “The bottom line is that his offices wouldn’t answer phone calls, they wouldn’t return e-mails to his constituents, and as an elected official, he’s responsible to the people he represents,” said Troxel, pointing out that people also picketed President Bush’s ranch in Texas.

We also contacted Nigel Coleman, leader of the nearby Danville Tea Party in Virginia. In the past, Coleman gained attention for his group’s plan to burn Periello and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) in effigy, although the stunt was eventually canceled. Coleman said that he knew Troxel and had no problem with the posting of Periello’s home address. “There’s an assumption that we’re a violent group of people and we’d do something bad to the man,” he said. “We’re just trying to get heard.” The Danville News reported that Coleman also posted the address to his Facebook page, and when told it was actually the brother’s address, he replied, “Oh well, collateral damage.” (He later removed the post and said his comments were “in poor taste.”)

The result of posting the home address of Periello's brother? A severed gas line at his house.

This is getting totally out of hand.

815 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:06:57am

re: #814 Lidane

More bright ideas from the teabaggers:

The result of posting the home address of Periello's brother? A severed gas line at his house.

This is getting totally out of hand.

Wow just wow.

816 SFGoth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:15:02am

I haven't been here in awhile so maybe someone can fill me in. What, if anything, that Obama and the Dem leadership support does Charles oppose?

817 andres  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:18:23am

re: #814 Lidane

Unfortunately, the rhetoric has been out of hand for a long time. It is just now that the crazies are starting to act.

818 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:21:40am

re: #816 SFGoth

Ooh. An early flounce! This should be fun.

*grabs popcorn*

819 Lanaty  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:34:35am

This video deserves its own post:
[Link: www.ted.com...]


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