Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) Staged the Carnahan Coffin Stunt

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The coffin that was placed outside the private home of Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) was a stunt organized by the St. Louis Tea Party Coalition and religious fanatic blogger Jim Hoft (“Gateway Pundit”), kicking his usual insanity up a notch into actual threatening behavior.

And he’s proud of it. Hoft sees absolutely nothing wrong with showing up outside the private home of an elected official carrying a coffin, in a week during which there have been numerous reports of threats and violent incidents. Nope. Hoft says the media and Russ Carnahan are “lying.”

What they’re lying about, he doesn’t say. He doesn’t deny any of the facts of the story. He did show up with the coffin at Carnahan’s home.

Hoft’s twisted rationale is that it’s a “lie” to see this kind of creepy behavior as a threat. He really believes he had a perfect right to stalk around outside Carnahan’s home with a coffin and terrorize Carnahan’s family — but even more than that, Hoft is angry with the media for not reporting that he was right to do it!

Here’s Hoft’s post at Father Richard John Neuhaus’s First Things website: Coward Russ Carnahan Pushes Bogus Tea Party Lie to Media– Claims Prayer Service With Coffin Was a Violent Threat.

We prayed for Russ Carnahan. We prayed that God would forgive him for taking away our freedom. We prayed for the babies who will never feel the warmth of the sun or a gentle spring rain. We prayed for the elderly who will die waiting for care because they couldn’t make it past the Obama death panels.

We prayed for Russ Carnahan.

So obviously it came as quite a shock tonight to see that the Carnahan people and the Democratic-media complex had twisted this innocent prayer vigil into some kind of threat against Russ Carnahan.

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932 comments
1 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:07:36pm

Hoft, a little hintedy hint hint: Coffins convey DEATH. Now, think about why...ah, bugger, forget it.

2 Silvergirl  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:08:12pm

Sick and wrong.

No excuse.

Off to bed with me. To sleep, perchance to dream . . . of a better world tomorrow.

3 freetoken  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:08:33pm

Ahhhh, a statement of love from "Jesus Land"?

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:12:07pm

The chivarees have just begun, it's going to get hairier. And should someone truly be attacked, the TP'ers will be distancing, rationalizing and backpedaling all the way back to the okeefenokee Swamp..

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:12:27pm

And G-d said, let there be assholes. And there were. And G-d said let there be Right wing nuts, and there were.

And G-d said, let there be two terrible tastes that shall taste worse together. And there were.

And the reasoning man said why G-d, why did you have to give us freepers and hot air and Beck and Rush?

And G-d said... something had to balance out Natile Portman. I really outdid myself when I made her.

6 freetoken  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:16:31pm

re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote

And G-d said... something had to balance out Natile Portman. I really outdid myself when I made her.


Ahh... Natalie Portman...

"But God, what about the serpent?"

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:16:57pm

re: #4 ralphieboy

The chivarees have just begun, it's going to get hairier. And should someone truly be attacked, the TP'ers will be distancing, rationalizing and backpedaling all the way back to the okeefenokee Swamp..

Chivaree...now there's a word I have not heard in about twenty years.

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:17:46pm

This ain't October, and it's a safe bet that Hoft and Carnahan ain't buddies with a "Goth" bent.

Innocent prayer vigil my ass. Creepy death-cultists is more like it.

9 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:18:20pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Chivaree...now there's a word I have not heard in about twenty years.

I think that's because it's actually spelled "shivaree".

10 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:18:26pm

re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote

And G-d said, let there be assholes. And there were. And G-d said let there be Right wing nuts, and there were.

And G-d said, let there be two terrible tastes that shall taste worse together. And there were.

And the reasoning man said why G-d, why did you have to give us freepers and hot air and Beck and Rush?

And G-d said... something had to balance out Natile Portman. I really outdid myself when I made her.

Not true! Wingnuts evolved from tiny little Wingnut Monkeys.

//

11 Bagua  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:19:33pm

A perfectly innocent political statement, no worse than burning a cross on his front lawn, or leaving a noose hanging from the tree.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:19:46pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

This ain't October, and it's a safe bet that Hoft and Carnahan ain't buddies with a "Goth" bent.

Innocent prayer vigil my ass. Creepy death-cultists is more like it.

When I was a kid, we once held a funeral for the Helsinki Accords, but we didn't leave the coffin on someone's lawn.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:20:03pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

I think that's because it's actually spelled "shivaree".

Like I said, it's been twenty years.

14 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:20:58pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

I think that's because it's actually spelled "shivaree".

I think both are considered correct.
:shrugs:

15 Pip's Squeak  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:21:38pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Both, it seems. Looked it up since, ignorant as I seem to be, never had heard of them.

16 Girth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:22:57pm

I'm just waiting now to come home from work one day and find out that one of these assholes has hurt someone. It makes me sad to say that, but I think it's going to happen.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:24:18pm

re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote

As a republican, I hate to link this. But as a person who loves comedy, I feel that I must.

"Now I have to create Republicans". NSFW

18 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:26:06pm

re: #15 Pip's Squeak

Both, it seems. Looked it up since, ignorant as I seem to be, never had heard of them.

Well, if you want to be posh about it, the spelling "charivari" is actually the way to go.

19 Batman  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:26:24pm

Meanwhile poor God is confused as hell as to how he's supposed to help all the elderlies who don't actually have to go before death panels and what he's supposed to do about taking away liberties that were agreed upon by men in a nation of men under secularism that weren't really taken away anyway. I feel for you, Big Guy.

20 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:26:52pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

Bill Hicks always gets an upding from me.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:27:18pm

re: #19 nonsense

Meanwhile poor God is confused as hell as to how he's supposed to help all the elderlies who don't actually have to go before death panels and what he's supposed to do about taking away liberties that were agreed upon by men in a nation of men under secularism that weren't really taken away anyway. I feel for you, Big Guy.

I think that if there's one thing God's used to, it's confusing requests.

22 Pip's Squeak  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:28:39pm

re: #18 Cato the Elder

You mean there are foreign words in my language? Ugh.

23 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:28:46pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

As a republican, I hate to link this. But as a person who loves comedy, I feel that I must.

"Now I have to create Republicans". NSFW

Bill Hicks should always be linked. As often as possible. He was awesome.

I can only imagine what he'd think of all these teabagger assholes. His rants would have been epic.

24 bratwurst  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:30:24pm

Something tells me that when I wake up tomorrow morning this thread is going to be like a Christmas tree packed with gifts of tu quoque underneath!

25 Batman  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:30:38pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that if there's one thing God's used to, it's confusing requests.

It's jerks like them that flood God with jibberish that prevents Him from helping all those sick children.

26 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:31:20pm

re: #24 bratwurst

Something tells me that when I wake up tomorrow morning this thread is going to be like a Christmas tree packed with gifts of tu quoque underneath!

I'm hoping there will be at least one flounce. The last one was boring. =P

27 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:32:12pm

Off to bed.
Night!

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:32:58pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

Off to bed.
Night!

Night, Varek.

29 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:33:30pm

Deth Panils!

Panil iz an anagram for Palin!

It all becomes clear if you have a blackboard.

30 Girth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:34:09pm

re: #20 JasonA

Bill Hicks always gets an upding from me.

Bill Hicks: another of many reasons why Tool kicks ass.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:36:18pm

re: #23 Lidane

Bill Hicks should always be linked. As often as possible. He was awesome.

I can only imagine what he'd think of all these teabagger assholes. His rants would have been epic.

Flip a coin. I like his comedy, but he was more than just a bit of conspiracy theorist himself.

32 bratwurst  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:36:52pm

re: #26 Lidane

I'm hoping there will be at least one flounce. The last one was boring. =P

My favorite ones are when they tout their scientific credentials in the flounce. I swear there was one in a Rush Limbaugh racism thread where a guy said he just KNEW Rush was strictly about satire because he listened to him every day while performing brain surgery or something and you have to be a daily listener of a certain intelligence to get it.

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:37:36pm

Here is ZOMGcrisis being brilliant again:

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:37:59pm

re: #32 bratwurst

My favorite ones are when they tout their scientific credentials in the flounce. I swear there was one in a Rush Limbaugh racism thread where a guy said he just KNEW Rush was strictly about satire because he listened to him every day while performing brain surgery or something and you have to be a daily listener of a certain intelligence to get it.

OK. If I ever have brain surgery, I'm asking the surgeon if he's a daily Rush listener. If he is, I'm asking for a different surgeon. Period.

35 bratwurst  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:38:58pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

Way to send a brother to bed with visions of Slavic womanhood dancing in his head!

36 Irenicum  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:39:13pm

Is it me or is it wrong to advertise yourself as a Christian and yet sell death as a selling point to those willing to be led by fear? Maybe I'm just strange. I'm not cool with that.

37 Girth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:39:22pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. If I ever have brain surgery, I'm asking the surgeon if he's a daily Rush listener. If he is, I'm asking for a different surgeon. Period.

I'd take a Rush guy over a Beck guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

38 Irenicum  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:40:38pm

re: #37 Girth

I'll take neither for 200 Alex.

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:40:51pm

re: #35 bratwurst

Way to send a brother to bed with visions of Slavic womanhood dancing in his head!

Got your back there baby!

40 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:41:31pm
We prayed for the babies who will never feel the warmth of the sun or a gentle spring rain. We prayed for the elderly who will die waiting for care because they couldn’t make it past the Obama death panels.

WTF? The rules on funding abortions were not changed at all, if anything because of the federal "pools" it will be harder and more expensive now to find insurance that will cover elective abortion.

THERE. ARE. NO. DEATH. PANELS!

41 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:41:51pm

Jim Hoft:

We prayed for Russ Carnahan. We prayed that God would forgive smite him for taking away our freedom right to watch those whom God has cursed with poverty die in the gutter. We prayed for the babies who will never feel the the warmth of the sun lash of the whip in a sweatshop or a gentle spring rain hear the word of the Lord preached to them by sanctimonious fucks like ourselves. We prayed for the elderly who will no longer die waiting for care because they couldn’t make it past the Obama death panels will now have to eat socialist Cheeri-Os instead of dog food.

FTFY, Jim.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:44:43pm

re: #40 ausador

WTF? The rules on funding abortions were not changed at all, if anything because of the federal "pools" it will be harder and more expensive now to find insurance that will cover elective abortion.

THERE. ARE. NO. DEATH. PANELS!

There's an element that's absolutely convinced that somehow, someway, there's money for abortions in there.

43 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:44:53pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. If I ever have brain surgery, I'm asking the surgeon if he's a daily Rush listener. If he is, I'm asking for a different surgeon. Period.

Can you imagine going under anesthesia, and hearing Rush? No thank you.

44 Girth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:46:19pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Can you imagine going under anesthesia, and hearing Rush? No thank you.

There's a horror movie waiting to be written...

45 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:47:12pm

What a country.

Sarah Palin to host reality TV series

(PEOPLE.com) -- Good news for those who can't get enough of Sarah Palin: The former Alaska governor -- who's now a Fox News commentator, best-selling memoirist and Republican campaign machine -- has a deal in the bag with the Discovery Channel, a source at the network confirmed to PEOPLE.

According to everyone from Variety to The Washington Post, the series "Sarah Palin's Alaska" has been picked up for a reported $1 million-plus per episode.

Variety says Palin's project with reality TV rainmaker Mark Burnett "will center on interesting characters, traditions and attractions in the 49th state -- with the ex-VP candidate as a guide."

A spokesman for Palin referred questions to Burnett's office, which did not return requests for comment. Neither did a Discovery spokesperson.

Half term governor that quits with the gift of near average (some say below average) intelligence making 1 million dollars per episode.

46 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:47:50pm

re: #44 Girth

There's a horror movie waiting to be written...

Stephen King. Bet it's at the publisher's as we type.

47 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:48:14pm
48 Irenicum  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:48:34pm

re: #37 Girth

Rush vs Beck? O gee, what a Choice! It's a veritable multi-phobia! So many xenophoibias to choose from! And with that kids, I need to get to bed. Work and school beckons. Y'all be well and be blessed.

49 windsagio  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:48:51pm

re: #47 SixDegrees

Defend the brand!

50 Lidane  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:50:29pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Can you imagine going under anesthesia, and hearing Rush? No thank you.

Oh, I don't know. Moving Pictures and Signals were good albums. If they start playing Caress of Steel, though, I might need them to up the drugs since that's my least favorite album of theirs.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:50:47pm

re: #47 SixDegrees

As dumb as this stunt was, there seems to be a spurt in coffin planting at politician's private residences these days.

Cindy's been busy these days.

52 SixDegrees  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:51:38pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

There's an element that's absolutely convinced that somehow, someway, there's money for abortions in there.

The portions of the legislation allowing Federal abortion funding remain in the bill; the Executive Order issued yesterday is meant to correct that. There is an argument that the EO will be trumped by the actual legislation.

It strikes me as a pretty wobbly argument, but that seems to be the basis for objections on this issue, at least for some.

53 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:51:54pm

re: #48 Irenicum

Rush vs Beck? O gee, what a Choice! It's a veritable multi-phobia! So many xenophoibias to choose from! And with that kids, I need to get to bed. Work and school beckons. Y'all be well and be blessed.

If you had to spend 2 years on a deserted island would you choose Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh?

I'd pick Beck. More food to keep around.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:52:46pm

re: #53 Gus 802

If you had to spend 2 years on a deserted island would you choose Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh?

I'd pick Beck. More food to keep around.

I think I could take Beck hand to hand.

55 Bagua  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:53:13pm

re: #53 Gus 802

If you had to spend 2 years on a deserted island would you choose Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh?

I'd pick Beck. More food to keep around.

Is there a third choice?

56 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:53:59pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I could take Beck hand to hand.

I swear, Beck seems very pliable. I could work the guy.

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:54:24pm

For any who are interested in swords, I submit the following. One of the few American Masters, radiating awesomeness.

58 Gus  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:54:37pm

re: #55 Bagua

Is there a third choice?

Let me check.

OK, my list says there's another person available by the name of Salma Hayek.

59 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:55:21pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Let me check.

OK, my list says there's another person available by the name of Salma Hayek.

And with that laugh, I'm out.

Good nite all.

60 Girth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:56:06pm

re: #45 Gus 802

What a country.

Sarah Palin to host reality TV series

Half term governor that quits with the gift of near average (some say below average) intelligence making 1 million dollars per episode.

Money, it's a drag...

61 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:58:11pm

re: #45 Gus 802

What a country.

Sarah Palin to host reality TV series

Half term governor that quits with the gift of near average (some say below average) intelligence making 1 million dollars per episode.

If the people of Alaska have the good common sense and self-reliance they're famed for, perhaps one can hope someone will arrange a couple of of unexpected surprises for her.

Like an encounter with a wolf pack when she's without her helicopter.

62 Girth  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:59:13pm

re: #50 Lidane

Oh, I don't know. Moving Pictures and Signals were good albums. If they start playing Caress of Steel, though, I might need them to up the drugs since that's my least favorite album of theirs.

Not a huge Rush fan, but I'll take 2112, please.

63 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:00:11am

re: #47 SixDegrees

As dumb as this stunt was, there seems to be a spurt in coffin planting at politician's private residences these days.

I don't see why anyone here would downding you for that. Cindy "Screech" Sheehan is an embarrassment and an attention whore.

64 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:00:49am

re: #62 Girth

Not a huge Rush fan, but I'll take 2112, please.

That's a good one too.

I wouldn't count myself as a huge Rush fan, but I grew up listening to them and can appreciate their music.

65 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:00:51am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

There's an element that's absolutely convinced that somehow, someway, there's money for abortions in there.

Yeah I have noticed that.

While I'm on the subject I just want to say thank you to Mr. Stupak for being an arrogant, grandstanding, egomaniac who was willing to trade his reason and honor for fifteen minutes of fame. The President signed a completely meaningless E.O. today that was his "price" for backing the HCR bill. The shame is that probably 80% of Americans will not see it for the political theater that it was.

He did however manage to convince even more people that the bill had some hidden abortion funding mandate hidden inside of it, even though it did not. Thanks Mr. Stupak, thanks a lot, you have done a great dis-service to your country, enjoy your fame. I pray you find it fleeting...

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:03:50am

re: #65 ausador

Yeah I have noticed that.

While I'm on the subject I just want to say thank you to Mr. Stupak for being an arrogant, grandstanding, egomaniac who was willing to trade his reason and honor for fifteen minutes of fame. The President signed a completely meaningless E.O. today that was his "price" for backing the HCR bill. The shame is that probably 80% of Americans will not see it for the political theater that it was.

He did however manage to convince even more people that the bill had some hidden abortion funding mandate hidden inside of it, even though it did not. Thanks Mr. Stupak, thanks a lot, you have done a great dis-service to your country, enjoy your fame. I pray you find it fleeting...

Of course, he's also managed to make himself one of the villains of the hour to those convinced that he sold them out and enabled the bill.

You can't win this game.

67 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:04:31am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

There's an element that's absolutely convinced that somehow, someway, there's money for abortions in there.

Frankly, I think there should be money in there for abortions. But what they ended up with works for me.

68 Girth  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:06:03am

re: #53 Gus 802

If you had to spend 2 years on a deserted island would you choose Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh?

I'd pick Beck. More food to keep around.

Hmm.....sorry, I don't wan't to vote for a douche or a turd sandwich.

69 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:06:49am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, he's also managed to make himself one of the villains of the hour to those convinced that he sold them out and enabled the bill.

You can't win this game.

It doesn't really matter what others think about him. His seat is safe.

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:07:55am

The rhetoric piles up. Socialism, communism, nazism. Our POTUS, nay, our entire gov't, is Marx, Stalin, and Hitler combined. Despite being legally and duly elected, and despite the fact that there is no indication whatsoever that our right to vote has been suspended, they are all evil, tyrannical dictators.

Cries of revolution, and calls to water the Tree of Liberty compound. And the hyperbolists who sound the call to action seem to adhere to a certain stereotype which says that those who are on their side are armed and able, and those who are not detest the second amendment and are therefore unarmed and unable. They are fools. Ignorant pigs eating their own waste.

I did not vote for our POTUS, and I have no love for the dem. party, but anyone who seeks to violently overthrow our gov't simply because the peacefully elected officials are not the ones they, wanted will find an enemy in me.

Take your anger to the ballot box. If your team keeps losing, then maybe there is something wrong with your team's message.

71 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:08:56am

re: #63 Cato the Elder

I don't see why anyone here would downding you for that. Cindy "Screech" Sheehan is an embarrassment and an attention whore.

I've never paid any attention to the dinger thingy.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:09:37am

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

The rhetoric piles up. Socialism, communism, nazism. Our POTUS, nay, our entire gov't, is Marx, Stalin, and Hitler combined. Despite being legally and duly elected, and despite the fact that there is no indication whatsoever that our right to vote has been suspended, they are all evil, tyrannical dictators.

Cries of revolution, and calls to water the Tree of Liberty compound. And the hyperbolists who sound the call to action seem to adhere to a certain stereotype which says that those who are on their side are armed and able, and those who are not detest the second amendment and are therefore unarmed and unable. They are fools. Ignorant pigs eating their own waste.

I did not vote for our POTUS, and I have no love for the dem. party, but anyone who seeks to violently overthrow our gov't simply because the peacefully elected officials are not the ones they, wanted will find an enemy in me.

Take your anger to the ballot box. If your team keeps losing, then maybe there is something wrong with your team's message.

I remember back when Bush won his first term, one of my college friends and I were driving around bitching about how it was the end of the world. And her mother said, "You two haven't been around long enough to know that sometimes you lose an election, and America pulls through fine even though your candidate didn't win."

She was right.

73 Girth  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:10:25am

re: #65 ausador

Yeah I have noticed that.

While I'm on the subject I just want to say thank you to Mr. Stupak for being an arrogant, grandstanding, egomaniac who was willing to trade his reason and honor for fifteen minutes of fame. The President signed a completely meaningless E.O. today that was his "price" for backing the HCR bill. The shame is that probably 80% of Americans will not see it for the political theater that it was.

He did however manage to convince even more people that the bill had some hidden abortion funding mandate hidden inside of it, even though it did not. Thanks Mr. Stupak, thanks a lot, you have done a great dis-service to your country, enjoy your fame. I pray you find it fleeting...

I wouldn't count on Stupak losing his seat, btw. He's my congresscritter. It's a weird district up here, large area-wise, poor conservative Democrat mostly. Coincedentally, his district contains a few rural counties with ridiculous teen-pregnancy rates.

74 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:11:21am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, he's also managed to make himself one of the villains of the hour to those convinced that he sold them out and enabled the bill.

You can't win this game.

Practically everyone in the country recognizes his name, publicity like that is expensive and hard to buy. Unless of course you find a way to get it for free...say, holding up the most controversial bill in over 60 years because of something you say is in it that really isn't? (besides that, buying browny points with the R.R. is tough for Dems, he was going for that too, don't think he had much success though)

75 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:12:01am

re: #61 Cato the Elder

If the people of Alaska have the good common sense and self-reliance they're famed for, perhaps one can hope someone will arrange a couple of of unexpected surprises for her.

Like an encounter with a wolf pack when she's without her helicopter.

Alaskans voted twice to ban the aerial hunting of wolves. Apparently "the will of the people" has been ignored by Governors Murkowski and Palin. It's interesting that this pretender to the throne of populism would ignore a popular vote.

76 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:12:24am

re: #63 Cato the Elder

Its not an expression of love for the lady, but rather disapproval for the dishonest 'LOOK THEY DO IT TOO!' mentality.


Since you asked.

77 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:16:05am
78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:17:19am

re: #36 Irenicum

Is it me or is it wrong to advertise yourself as a Christian and yet sell death as a selling point to those willing to be led by fear? Maybe I'm just strange. I'm not cool with that.

It's a thing. People make big money that way. They gain power and influence. All it takes to stop it is people turning away from such fear-mongering schemes. And they are, thus we see so many desperate attempts by some influential, wealthy groups to indoctrinate other people's children.

79 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:20:36am

re: #75 Gus 802

Alaskans voted twice to ban the aerial hunting of wolves. Apparently "the will of the people" has been ignored by Governors Murkowski and Palin. It's interesting that this pretender to the throne of populism would ignore a popular vote.

I don't mind aerial shooting as a method of population control. But as a sport? Please - it isn't. Neither is shooting a baited, treed bear, which is legal here in Michigan. You oughta at least be on the same turf.

Fishing with hand grenades...more complicated. Not acceptable as a means of fishing. But for sheer entertainment purposes...

80 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:20:55am

re: #76 windsagio

Its not an expression of love for the lady, but rather disapproval for the dishonest 'LOOK THEY DO IT TOO!' mentality.

Since you asked.

In this case I don't see anything dishonest about it whatsoever.

Sheehan calling Obama a war criminal is exactly on the same intellectual plane as Hoft calling Carnahan a baby-killer.

The two of them should get together for a shag.

Or maybe not. The possibility of offspring from those ghastly loins is a frightful thing to consider.

81 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:21:17am

Another one.

Yet another one lying dead after being shot by a high powered rifle from a long distance.

82 Girth  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:22:46am

re: #77 Gus 802

Looks at this beautiful bear that was killed for what?

I'm a conservationist, so I believe that wildlife needs to be managed. I love to hunt and fish, but I won't hunt bear.

83 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:22:46am

Doing web and mail maintenance...

Let me say it here: ATT sucks.

84 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:23:04am

re: #79 SixDegrees

I don't mind aerial shooting as a method of population control. But as a sport? Please - it isn't. Neither is shooting a baited, treed bear, which is legal here in Michigan. You oughta at least be on the same turf.

Fishing with hand grenades...more complicated. Not acceptable as a means of fishing. But for sheer entertainment purposes...

I've always had a problem with big game hunting. I can understand it with regards to large deer populations such as around Pennsylvania or New Jersey.

85 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:23:14am

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Can you imagine going under anesthesia, and hearing Rush? No thank you.

Heh. I went under the knife a few years ago, and they asked me what kind of music I wanted to be played during the surgery. I said "Whatever the hell kind of music helps y'all do your job right".

86 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:23:26am

re: #81 Gus 802

Another one.

Yet another one lying dead after being shot by a high powered rifle from a long distance.

In my mind, it all depends on what happens next. If the hunter eats it, I've got no problems with it. If you're just killing for fun and leaving the carcass to rot, you need to find another hobby, and spend some time examining your motivations.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:24:05am

Night all.

88 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:25:27am

re: #84 Gus 802

I've always had a problem with big game hunting. I can understand it with regards to large deer populations such as around Pennsylvania or New Jersey.

See above; it doesn't bother me, as long as you wind up consuming what you kill.

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:25:50am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

"You two haven't been around long enough to know that sometimes you lose an election, and America pulls through fine even though your candidate didn't win."

Wise words. Props to your friend's mom.

90 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:26:03am

*sigh*

Byrd Rule To Send Health Care Back To House, Rules Parliamentarian

Senate Republicans succeeded early Thursday morning in finding two flaws in the House-passed Health Care reconciliation package. Neither is of any substance, but the Senate parliamentarian informed Democratic leaders that both are in violation of the Byrd Rule.

One is related to Pell Grants and the other makes small technical corrections. Why they're in violation of the Byrd Rule doesn't matter; the upshot is that Republicans will succeed in at least slightly altering the legislation, which means that the House is once again required to vote on it. With no substantial changes, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) should have little problem assembling the same coalition of 220 Democrats who passed the measure Sunday night.

After the Parliamentarian Alan Frumin had advised the leadership of his ruling, the Democratic and Republican leaders huddled on the Senate floor and agreed to adjourn until 9:45 a.m.

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:29:47am

re: #88 SixDegrees

See above; it doesn't bother me, as long as you wind up consuming what you kill.

Concur. I do have a problem with folks who bait with garbage cans full of stale donuts and the like. I could do the same in my back alley with a can of cat food and a B.B. Gun. That ain't hunting, that's fishing.

92 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:30:12am

BTW, LGF got a mention in an article on VDARE, by James Antle III, via the Christian Science Monitor.

93 Girth  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:30:21am

re: #90 Lidane

*sigh*

Byrd Rule To Send Health Care Back To House, Rules Parliamentarian

This is a losing battle for the GOP. The procedural stuff only makes conservatives who are against HCR happy. Everyone else will just get more impatient with them.

94 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:32:39am

re: #93 Girth

I have to admit, I'm rapidly running out of humor with it.

They're just scum.

95 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:32:48am

re: #88 SixDegrees

See above; it doesn't bother me, as long as you wind up consuming what you kill.

OK It's not something I think about every day. The footnote to the consumption aspect would also have to correlate with the populations being sustained. Obviously. But if someone wants to go out and shoot a big beautiful grizzly bear even though it is their right within wildlife management parameters, I don't want to see it.

96 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:34:21am

re: #93 Girth

This is a losing battle for the GOP. The procedural stuff only makes conservatives who are against HCR happy. Everyone else will just get more impatient with them.

Yep. But that's their gambit, apparently-- keep finding nitpicky flaws and/or bury everything under a mountain of bullshit amendments to stall as long as possible.

It's annoying, and it looks like the only plan they've got, which means they're going to be doing this crap for a while.

97 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:35:03am

re: #95 Gus 802

I used to be all about the 'as long as you eat it' logic, but I think its (note this has nothing to do with legality) all about why you are shooting in the first place. Not wasting the meat is a good mitigating circumstance, but its still kinda creepy going out and killing things because you enjoy it.

98 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:35:25am

re: #96 Lidane

Apparently, nothing. They've outright said that's their plan :P

99 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:39:12am

re: #95 Gus 802

OK It's not something I think about every day. The footnote to the consumption aspect would also have to correlate with the populations being sustained. Obviously. But if someone wants to go out and shoot a big beautiful grizzly bear even though it is their right within wildlife management parameters, I don't want to see it.

The National Park Service, and pretty much every State wildlife management agency, routinely kills animals for a variety of reasons. In the NPS case, grizzlies that persist in encroaching on busy areas in Yellowstone are first discouraged, then relocated, and can be killed if they are deemed to pose too great a threat and don't seem to be getting the message of earlier attempts. Although I do have to say that the Yellowstone bear management effort is stellar, and grim endings like this are extremely rare.

100 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:39:28am

re: #98 windsagio

Apparently, nothing. They've outright said that's their plan :P

I'm trying to avoid watching and/or listening to the congress critters these days, so I must have missed that. See, I actually like my TV's and don't want to throw things at them. Heh.

What's most annoying is that even during the Bush/Cheney years I never got that annoyed with people I disagreed with, even during Katrina or the Schiavo debacle. All this teabagger shit, especially with the whole HCR debate, has just gotten on my last nerve. They're acting like it's the end of the Republic instead of the fact that they lost an election. =P

101 Girth  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:39:33am

re: #96 Lidane

Yep. But that's their gambit, apparently-- keep finding nitpicky flaws and/or bury everything under a mountain of bullshit amendments to stall as long as possible.

It's annoying, and it looks like the only plan they've got, which means they're going to be doing this crap for a while.

As an old friend of mine is fond of saying, "Fwuckem."

Goodnight ladies and gentlemen.

102 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:40:39am

And on that note, sleep beckons. G'night all! :)

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:41:29am

re: #95 Gus 802

Don't look for it, then?

re: #97 windsagio

You are part of the circle. What you eat once lived. If you do not kill it yourself, someone does it for you. Which is more moral?

BTW, I am no fan of trophy killing, I find that a deplorable reason to hunt. If you hunt, do it right, and honor the beast that gave it's life for your sustenance.

104 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:41:58am

re: #97 windsagio

I used to be all about the 'as long as you eat it' logic, but I think its (note this has nothing to do with legality) all about why you are shooting in the first place. Not wasting the meat is a good mitigating circumstance, but its still kinda creepy going out and killing things because you enjoy it.

Big game hunting is a luxury. The amount of money that goes into a big game hunt including licensing, outfitting, travel and lodging can be rather high. If a grizzly bear license is $500 that money could have theoretically been used to buy non-wildlife beef. Big game hunters don't kill grizzlies for food, they do so for the trophy and the pelt/mount.

105 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:42:35am

re: #99 SixDegrees

The National Park Service, and pretty much every State wildlife management agency, routinely kills animals for a variety of reasons. In the NPS case, grizzlies that persist in encroaching on busy areas in Yellowstone are first discouraged, then relocated, and can be killed if they are deemed to pose too great a threat and don't seem to be getting the message of earlier attempts. Although I do have to say that the Yellowstone bear management effort is stellar, and grim endings like this are extremely rare.

I agree with that. Sometimes after relocation they have to be killed.

106 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:44:09am

re: #97 windsagio

I used to be all about the 'as long as you eat it' logic, but I think its (note this has nothing to do with legality) all about why you are shooting in the first place. Not wasting the meat is a good mitigating circumstance, but its still kinda creepy going out and killing things because you enjoy it.

As opposed to having someone else kill them for you?

There's some merit in the argument that it's better to go out and kill your own food, as opposed to collecting it, shrink wrapped, after it's spent it's short life in a high capacity feed lot.

To be honest, I've never met a hunter who enjoys killing. They enjoy the experience of hunting itself, but they don't rejoice in death. And as I've said in the past, I think everyone ought to kill their own dinner at least once, involving something other than a fish. It tends to make you respect your food.

107 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:44:37am

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't look for it, then?

re: #97 windsagio

You are part of the circle. What you eat once lived. If you do not kill it yourself, someone does it for you. Which is more moral?

BTW, I am no fan of trophy killing, I find that a deplorable reason to hunt. If you hunt, do it right, and honor the beast that gave it's life for your sustenance.

Hey. Someone mentioned aerial hunting of wolves and off I went on the Google trail.

To be honest. My primary concern right now is this cheap whiskey I bought that kind of tastes like after shave.

108 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:45:16am

BBL.

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:47:57am

re: #107 Gus 802

My primary concern right now is this cheap whiskey I bought that kind of tastes like after shave.

You have my sympathies. My primary concern is drinking this cheap beer which tastes like vomit and aluminum.

/If you have to drink cheap, drink cheap beer. Never drink cheap whiskey.

110 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:50:55am

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

You have my sympathies. My primary concern is drinking this cheap beer which tastes like vomit and aluminum.

/If you have to drink cheap, drink cheap beer. Never drink cheap whiskey.

Mmm, mmm, vomit and aluminum. I used to go to Vesuvio in San Francisco from time to time and the place always smelled like vomit and Pine-Sol. While there I would drink expensive beer and all the while I used to smell that damn vomit odor. Now when I smell Pine-Sol it smells like vomit to me.

111 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:51:53am

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #106 SixDegrees

its not really worth a big thing :p

112 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:52:58am

Incoming.

Revote.

Health Care Fix-It Bill Headed for Revote
GOP Finds 2 "Minor Provisions" Against Budget Rules in Reconciliation Bill to Amend New Health Care Law

(CBS/ AP) A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says the bill making changes in President Obama's newly enacted health care overhaul will have to go back to the House for final congressional approval, something top Democrats were trying to avoid.

Spokesman Jim Manley said Republicans consulting with the Senate parliamentarian had found "two minor provisions" that violate budget rules. The two provisions, dealing with Pell grants for low-income college students, will have to be removed from the bill.

Senate just broke about one hour ago.

113 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:55:27am

Whew, thank goodness they're going to remove the provision for Pell grants for low-income college students. Who do those low-income people think they are trying to get an opportunity for an education.

/

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:56:15am

re: #30 Girth

Bill Hicks: another of many reasons why Tool kicks ass.

The most important reason why Tool kicks ass is Danny Carey :D

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:57:20am

re: #113 Gus 802

Whew, thank goodness they're going to remove the provision for Pell grants for low-income college students. Who do those low-income people think they are trying to get an opportunity for an education.

/


It's almost as if these sluggards think America is the land of opportunity or something!

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:00:30am

re: #111 windsagio

re: #106 SixDegrees

its not really worth a big thing :p

It's just a thing.

This. Is. Necessary. Life feeds on life.

117 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:06:43am
118 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:09:34am

re: #115 WindUpBird

It's almost as if these sluggards think America is the land of opportunity or something!

Tired of it all. The price of everything almost tripled in the past 20 years. Nothing goes down. It all goes up, up and up. As the cost of living went up, wages remained static. A college education has skyrocketed. Even a simple 3 credit course is a small investment. Every month it requires almost 2000 dollars just to stay afloat. Once you fall behind the bills only get higher as the interest rates rise along with the penalties. And-there-is-no-help-at-all. Month to month. Paycheck to paycheck. Meanwhile the gap between the rich and the rest of us grows wider every year. We are told that we must honor our wealthy masters because they allow us to survive.

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:11:58am

re: #114 WindUpBird

The most important reason why Tool kicks ass is Danny Carey :D

And the same goes for Green Jello, of course.

120 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:18:33am

This is becoming a perpetual story:

Priest 'molested 200 deaf boys'

FRESH paedophilia cover-up claims hit Pope Benedict XVI in the case of a US priest who allegedly molested up to 200 deaf boys, according to church files obtained by The New York Times.

The documents, which emerged as part of a lawsuit surrounding a school for deaf children in the US state of Wisconsin, show direct correspondence from the accused priest to the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in 1996, the Times said.

A trial against Reverend Lawrence C. Murphy was halted after he wrote to Ratzinger directly to protest possible punishment for the abuse, the Times said.

It's going to be hard for the Pope to claim he didn't know this stuff was going on.

121 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:20:21am

re: #120 freetoken

This is becoming a perpetual story:

Priest 'molested 200 deaf boys'

It's going to be hard for the Pope to claim he didn't know this stuff was going on.

Depending what's in those letters, it could be hard for him to keep his arse planted on the Holy See.

And I say that as a devout Catholic.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:21:20am

re: #117 freetoken

[Video]

Not the same genre, but...

... epic none the less.

/this metal head has a fondness for Mariachi, and he can not explain why.

123 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:27:02am

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

That's pretty glossy "Mariachi" music... definitely polished for the Japanese stage.

124 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:29:45am

re: #106 SixDegrees

As opposed to having someone else kill them for you?

There's some merit in the argument that it's better to go out and kill your own food, as opposed to collecting it, shrink wrapped, after it's spent it's short life in a high capacity feed lot.

To be honest, I've never met a hunter who enjoys killing. They enjoy the experience of hunting itself, but they don't rejoice in death. And as I've said in the past, I think everyone ought to kill their own dinner at least once, involving something other than a fish. It tends to make you respect your food.

Not true. Hunting is a sport, and part of that sport involves the kill itself. For example, a heart shot to a deer which produces an instantaneous kill with a minimum of suffering for the animal, is a perfect score and is something in which the hunter rejoices.
I am not a hunter myself, but I understand and acknowledge the enjoyment of the clean kill.

125 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:30:27am

BTW, some rather disturbing AGW news... for later in the spinoffs. Nevertheless, waxing ecological:

Japan scores victories at UN wildlife meeting

Delegates and activists say Japan came out the big winner at a U.N. wildlife conservation meeting, killing off almost all efforts to protect marine species, including tuna and sharks.

The key to their success was an aggressive and relentless lobbying campaign, which started before the 175-nation Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, or CITES, and carried through to the meeting's end Thursday.

The Japanese led the fight to defeat a ban on Atlantic bluefin tuna. They also joined other Asian nations, including China, in preventing several shark species used in the fin trade from gaining protection.

For some activists, the Japanese tactics were proof that CITES has been transformed from a clubby, conservation body to one driven by big money, trade and economics.

The Japanese have fought using CITES for any marine species. Yet the oceans cover 3/4 of the Earth and a good fraction of all life on Earth.

So far, humans aren't doing too well in the Planetary Management realm.

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:32:25am

re: #123 freetoken

I am a Mariachi noob, so to speak. I like the up tempo, fast paced stuff. It appeals to metalistic tastes, I think.

127 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:35:08am

Semi-drive by here--

Anyone know what the deal is with First Things as a website? I know the founder was a wacko. Haven't looked at it much myself, but I think their 'official' deal is that they're Jesuit run, Catholic, -- they did have a good piece recently IIRC by someone calling out Beck for his 'social justice isn't Christian!11!' stuff.

But are they wingnuts? I have to say I had some prior vague memory of them as wingnutty. Now that they'll give Hoft space that looks confirmed to me.

128 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:35am
129 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:43:39am

G'nite Lizards, I'm fixin' to beat it.

130 Scriptorium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:51am

re: #75 Gus 802

Alaskans voted twice to ban the aerial hunting of wolves. Apparently "the will of the people" has been ignored by Governors Murkowski and Palin. It's interesting that this pretender to the throne of populism would ignore a popular vote.

Maybe Alaskans aren't 'real Americans'.

131 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:47:30am

re: #127 iceweasel

Semi-drive by here--

Anyone know what the deal is with First Things as a website? I know the founder was a wacko. Haven't looked at it much myself, but I think their 'official' deal is that they're Jesuit run, Catholic, -- they did have a good piece recently IIRC by someone calling out Beck for his 'social justice isn't Christian!11!' stuff.

But are they wingnuts? I have to say I had some prior vague memory of them as wingnutty. Now that they'll give Hoft space that looks confirmed to me.

Hey Ice. I don't know. One thing for certain is that Jim Hoft is a wingnut. He seems kind of out of place there what with all of his propensity for the unhinged hysteria.

132 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:20am

OK, bounced around First Things-- Wingnut Central. Recent posts:

The Day Democrats Dumped the Antiwar Movement

Hate Speech Against Terri Schiavo on The Family Guy

Etc.

More on neuhaus (wiki):

n 1984, Neuhaus established the Center for Religion and Society as part of the Rockford Institute, which also publishes Chronicles. He and the center were "forcibly evicted" from the Institute in 1989 under disputed circumstances.

In 1990, Neuhaus founded the Institute on Religion and Public Life, and its journal First Things, an ecumenical journal "whose purpose is to advance a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society."[8]

In the same year he converted and was received into the Roman Catholic Church on September 8, 1990.[9] Neuhaus had belonged to and was ordained in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod,[10] the conservative wing of American Lutheranism. He subsequently had joined the American Lutheran Church, a predecessor of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. A year after his conversion, he was ordained by John Cardinal O'Connor as a priest of the Archdiocese of New York. He was a commentator for the Catholic television network EWTN during the funeral of Pope John Paul II and the election of Pope Benedict XVI.

In recent years he compared the pro-life struggle to the civil rights movement of the Sixties. During the 2004 Presidential campaign he was a leading advocate for denying Communion to Catholic politicians who supported abortion and voted against Church teaching on life issues. It was a mistake, he declared, to isolate abortion "from other issues of the sacredness of life"[11]

He promoted ecumenical dialogue and social conservatism. Along with Charles Colson, he edited Evangelicals and Catholics Together: Toward a Common Mission.[12] This ecumenical manifesto sparked much debate; some Catholics and Evangelicals claimed that Neuhaus and Colson had compromised major doctrines to promote a neoconservative agenda and had unfairly demanded that both branches of Christianity stop trying to convert the other's members.

Neuhaus expressed a strong hope in universal salvation, but stopped short of teaching it as a doctrine, emphasizing it as a hope, not a belief. "In sum: we do not know; only God knows; but we may hope." He wrote:

that absolutely no one is beyond the reach of God’s love in Christ. All are found, and therefore are not lost. That some may choose not to accept the gift of being found is quite another matter. We pray and hope that all will accept the gift of salvation that is most surely available to all. At least for Catholics, the teaching is definitive: God denies no one the grace necessary for salvation.[13]

Similar to Cormac Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor Neuhaus said that it cannot be known if hell is populated by anyone.[13]

A close, yet unofficial, advisor of President George W. Bush, Neuhaus advised Bush, who called him "Father Richard", on a range of religious and ethical matters, including abortion, stem-cell research, cloning, and the defense of marriage amendment.[14] In 2005, under the heading of "Bushism Made Catholic" Neuhaus was named one of the "25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America" by Time Magazine:[14]

That sucks. Especially as First Things had a good post recently by a Jesuit who tore Beck apart over the social justice issue.
I reckoned at the time it might actually be what it claims: ecumenical.
Not so.
Also publishing Hoft is proof it's wingnut.

133 Scriptorium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:36am

re: #118 Gus 802

Tired of it all. The price of everything almost tripled in the past 20 years. Nothing goes down. It all goes up, up and up. As the cost of living went up, wages remained static. A college education has skyrocketed. Even a simple 3 credit course is a small investment. Every month it requires almost 2000 dollars just to stay afloat. Once you fall behind the bills only get higher as the interest rates rise along with the penalties. And-there-is-no-help-at-all. Month to month. Paycheck to paycheck. Meanwhile the gap between the rich and the rest of us grows wider every year. We are told that we must honor our wealthy masters because they allow us to survive.

Well, TVs are cheaper. Perverse.

134 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:55:29am

re: #132 iceweasel

OK, bounced around First Things-- Wingnut Central. Recent posts:

The Day Democrats Dumped the Antiwar Movement

Hate Speech Against Terri Schiavo on The Family Guy

Etc.

More on neuhaus (wiki):

Yep, I would say that "publishing" Jim Hoft is a sign of instability. After seeing the video associated to this article it seems as though Jim Hoft is trying to re-brand himself as some type of Bible thumper.

That sucks. Especially as First Things had a good post recently by a Jesuit who tore Beck apart over the social justice issue.
I reckoned at the time it might actually be what it claims: ecumenical.
Not so.
Also publishing Hoft is proof it's wingnut.

135 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:55:57am

I assume this was mentioned earlier as well:

Palin Uses Crosshairs To Identify Dems Who Voted For Health Care Reform

arah Palin posted a picture on her Facebook page this week showing cross hairs over the districts of Democrats who voted for health care reform in districts that Republicans carried.

On the page, Palin writes:

With the president signing this unwanted and "transformative" government takeover of our health care system today with promises impossible to keep, let's not get discouraged. Don't get demoralized. Get organized!

Palin also tweeted the page:

Don't Get Demoralized! Get Organized! Take Back the 20!

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.

Here's the picture:

136 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:45am

re: #134 Gus 802

OK, that was weird. Didn't post my comment.

Yes, if they "publish" Jim Hoft that shows they're kind unstable.

Plus now Jim Hoft is trying to rebrand himself as some type of Bible thumper.

137 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:58:08am

re: #135 iceweasel

Yes, I linked to her latest Facebook entry downstairs... but it didn't generate much comment. The crosshairs image shows up in an appeal to send money to her Pac, called SarahPac, of course.

138 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:58:58am

re: #135 iceweasel

I assume this was mentioned earlier as well:

Palin Uses Crosshairs To Identify Dems Who Voted For Health Care Reform

Yep, it was mentioned several times. I saw the map in question. Same old same old. A bunch of gun, death and pseudo militaristic analogies. Guns, guns, guns.

What death cult? //

139 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:01:58am

re: #137 freetoken

Yes, I linked to her latest Facebook entry downstairs... but it didn't generate much comment. The crosshairs image shows up in an appeal to send money to her Pac, called SarahPac, of course.

Needs to be a thread imo. Especially with all the brick throwing, threats to murder the children of dems who voted for health care, etc.

What Right Wing Extremism? /

140 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:14am

From the cited blog:

On Sunday night several members of the St. Louis Tea Party Coalition held a prayer vigil at Russ Carnahan’s office for the millions of babies that will be slaughtered under the democrat’s pro-abortion health care bill. We also prayed for the handicapped and the elderly who will be turned away as they face the death panels created by this bill. And, as we stood outside his office in the rain, we prayed for our country and for the democrats in Washington DC who were stealing away our freedom at that very moment.
We brought a coffin with us to represent the millions of Americans who will suffer from inadequate treatment and perish under Obamacare....
After our prayer service we took our coffin and went and prayed on the sidewalk outside of Russ Carnahan’s home.

IMO when these zealots moved their extremely questionable demonstration to the Carnahan family home they crossed a bright red line. Any semblance of validity to their denial that the coffin was a direct threat was lost at that point.
BTW, I don't think the size of the coffin matters.

141 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:49am

re: #138 Gus 802

Yep, it was mentioned several times. I saw the map in question. Same old same old. A bunch of gun, death and pseudo militaristic analogies. Guns, guns, guns.

What death cult? //

Hey Gus! yes.
What death cult? / Soylent Green is peepul!

142 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:05:25am

PJM just ran an article by an author who is trying to equate AGW with ID. Talk about getting one's memes cross-wired....

143 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:08:14am

re: #142 freetoken

PJM just ran an article by an author who is trying to equate AGW with ID. Talk about getting one's memes cross-wired...

Really? An anti-AGW pieces supporting ID? Or comparing AGW with ID?

144 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:09:10am

More Repub bullshit:

G.O.P. Forces New House Vote on Package of Health Bill Changes

With the Senate working through an all-night session on a package of changes to the Democrats’ sweeping health care legislation, Republicans early Thursday morning identified parliamentary problems with at least two provisions that will require the measure to be sent back to the House for yet another vote, once the Senate adopts it.

At about 2:45 a.m., with the flaws in the bill identified, the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, brought the late-night session to a close. The Senate was to resume work on the bill at 9:45 a.m. Thursday.

This changes nothing; expect the AM Wingnut Wave to pretend it does.

145 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:00am

re: #143 Gus 802

The latter.

Yeah, its screwed up. The author is just randomly associating talking points and demonstrates that she has no clue about either subject.

I don't even both to comment over on PJM anymore, as I consider it as lost a cause as HotWingNuts.

146 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:11:41am

re: #143 Gus 802

Really? An anti-AGW pieces supporting ID? Or comparing AGW with ID?

You just reminded me of something. Anyone talk about Confederate Wankee today, and his post calling for Dems in Congress to be drawn and quartered?

I have some dirt on that...

147 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:11am

re: #146 iceweasel

You just reminded me of something. Anyone talk about Confederate Wankee today, and his post calling for Dems in Congress to be drawn and quartered?

I have some dirt on that...

That I did not see. He's another nut.

148 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:10am

Hope Lazardo is fine:

6.2 Earthquake Rattles Philippines

A 6.2-magnitude earthquake struck west of Manila on Thursday, the seismology institute reported, causing buildings in the Philippine capital to shake and sending frightened workers out of their offices.

149 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:16:29am

re: #144 iceweasel

More Repub bullshit:

G.O.P. Forces New House Vote on Package of Health Bill Changes

With the Senate working through an all-night session on a package of changes to the Democrats’ sweeping health care legislation, Republicans early Thursday morning identified parliamentary problems with at least two provisions that will require the measure to be sent back to the House for yet another vote, once the Senate adopts it.

This changes nothing; expect the AM Wingnut Wave to pretend it does.

Yep, saw that before. Here we have the GOP raising the alarm over two small provisions in the Pell grant section. Victory! Not.

150 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:18:11am

re: #147 Gus 802

That I did not see. He's another nut.

He sure is. Massive nut. Posted demanding that Dems be drawn and quartered. For those who may not be aware, it is just about the most gruesome form of execution ever devised, and was reserved for traitors.

Here's wankee's post:

I stand by my comment that the Democrats who crammed this unwarranted bill down the throats of the American people who clearly and overwhelmingly opposed it deserve to be drawn and quartered.

Here's the dirt: Guess which Lizard showed up to enthusiastically agree?

can we tar and feather the bastards before we draw and quarter them?

btw: its nice to see some of the usual suspects stinking up the place: there's a special place in hell for you too, right alongside the scum in Congress that pushed this abortion through. the war has just started.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 22, 2010 09:22 AM

151 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:18:37am

How much longer will it be before a politician gets killed or seriously injured by a political extremist? Hopefully it will not come to that, because I am not entirely sure that such an event will make the idiots stop the incitement.

152 Scriptorium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:33am

It almost feels as if there is a hungry crowd waiting for someone to make the first move. A vast licking of chops.

153 Scriptorium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:56am

But maybe I'm paranoid. It's late, even in New Zealand.

154 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:23:57am

re: #150 iceweasel

The paranoia and lunacy at National Review:

Congratulations, Democrats
You won dirty, and have nationalized health care by proxy. JONAH GOLDBERG

Sunday’s Socialist Triumph
The Battle of Capitol Hill is over; the Battle of the Electorate is about to begin. TONY BLANKLEY

An Off-Budget Office?
The CBO is like a computer: Garbage in, garbage out. The numbers in the health-care bill are especially smelly garbage. THOMAS SOWELL

How Goldberg see this as a win by proxy is beyond me. He must be living in a different reality. They won fair and square just as the GOP did when they held a majority. He needs to grow up. NRO has gone down the toilet.

155 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:26:37am

re: #152 Scriptorium

It almost feels as if there is a hungry crowd waiting for someone to make the first move. A vast licking of chops.

Yup. That Palin tweet and map that freetoken already mentioned needs to be a thread, imo.

Cached link to Confederate Wankee: [Link: confederateyankee.mu.nu...]

156 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:29:55am

re: #155 iceweasel

Technically, a Facebook entry is not a "tweet". It's an "entry".

ENTRYISM!

157 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:02am

re: #11 Bagua

A perfectly innocent political statement, no worse than burning a cross on his front lawn, or leaving a noose hanging from the tree.

Mourning Lizards.

Hey! He was just exercising his 1st amendment rights. ///////////

And yes, the intro was intentional. Need some serious cafine

158 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:33am

Big brouhaha brewing amongst the atheists over this year's Templeton Prize award:

Very bad form, NAS

I sort of shrug my shoulders. It doesn't seem to signify as much as some may fear.

159 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:37am

Sigh, can't sleep. Head hurts like hell. Damn, quitting coffee cold turkey sucks.

:/

160 Scriptorium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:32:28am

g'night. Got a good book, a warm bed, and a snuggly dog.

161 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:34:17am

Sincere prayers for others are usually made without coffins.

Just a thought.

162 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:34:43am

re: #159 Varek Raith

You could try some valium.

:=O

163 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:36:25am

Does anyone think the US should be beefing up the National Guard and doing some extra training just in case?re: #159 Varek Raith

Sigh, can't sleep. Head hurts like hell. Damn, quitting coffee cold turkey sucks.

:/

It's worth it. When I switched to decaf it took about 3 days for the headaches to go away. I took acetominophen with codeine during that period (which is avavailable OTC in Canada).

164 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:38:24am

re: #156 freetoken

Technically, a Facebook entry is not a "tweet". It's an "entry".

ENTRYISM!

True. But Palin tweeted "RELOAD!" to pimp her map.

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.

165 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:39:04am

Does anyone think the US should be beefing up the National Guard and doing some extra training just in case?

166 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:41:52am

re: #164 iceweasel

Hey... I guess that makes the point.

RELOAD!

167 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:42:14am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

In regards to ...?

168 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:43:37am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

Does anyone think the US should be beefing up the National Guard and doing some extra training just in case?

Naw... the 'Hatriots' are a small, loud minority of fools.

We had the same stupidity here when W won in 2004-. Republican party offices were vandalized, etc. Recall those fools in Berkeley who crossed onto John Yoo's property and threatened him?

Stupid is equal opportunity.

169 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:46:06am

re: #153 Scriptorium

But maybe I'm paranoid. It's late, even in New Zealand.

Bah! It's only 10.40 PM as I type this. I'm not planning to go to bed till the small hours. Wife's staying with her Mum while her Dad's overseas, so I'm doing the stay up late/watch Star Trek DS:9 DVDs/eat Chinese food at midnight thing*. I wouldn't go back to being a bachelor for all the money in the world, but it's fun in small doses.

* Oh, and supposedly working on my PhD, too. :)

170 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:46:55am

re: #167 freetoken

In regards to ...?

Supporting local law enforcement in order to contain any apprehended domestic violence.

171 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:49:21am

re: #144 iceweasel

More Repub bullshit:

G.O.P. Forces New House Vote on Package of Health Bill Changes

With the Senate working through an all-night session on a package of changes to the Democrats’ sweeping health care legislation, Republicans early Thursday morning identified parliamentary problems with at least two provisions that will require the measure to be sent back to the House for yet another vote, once the Senate adopts it.

This changes nothing; expect the AM Wingnut Wave to pretend it does.

I'm half hoping the House Democrats use this opportunity to put the public option/Medicare expansion they had to drop before. They only need 50 votes now, remember. That would be a massive *faceplam* moment for the GOP blockers.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:49:37am

Whoa.

Out of curiosity, went to yahoo.com and typed in the word "kill" (with quotation marks) and the name of recent presidents to find out how many "results" were there.

There's a whole bunch of them... the current president in a little over a year has outpaced the former president by over 20,000 results.

That is seriously fucked up.

173 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:51:02am

re: #171 Kruk

I'm half hoping the House Democrats use this opportunity to put the public option/Medicare expansion they had to drop before. They only need 50 votes now, remember. That would be a massive *faceplam* moment for the GOP blockers.

I'm against the public option but...I'd LMFAO if that happened...
XD

174 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:54:50am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

Does anyone think the US should be beefing up the National Guard and doing some extra training just in case?

BTW, I think it could be dangerous to do so, because it would be spun by the extremists as being provocative and as evidence of the arrival of the socialist police state.
OTOH, if the threats and incitement are as real and dangerous as some seem to fear, then it could be very useful for the government to be ready... just in case.

175 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:56:48am

re: #174 Spare O'Lake

BTW, I think it could be dangerous to do so, because it would be spun by the extremists as being provocative and as evidence of the arrival of the socialist police state.
OTOH, if the threats and incitement are as real and dangerous as some seem to fear, then it could be very useful for the government to be ready... just in case.

Hmm, perhaps a nation-wide, simultaneous SWAT exercise? A kind of subtle show of force?

176 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:35am

re: #171 Kruk

I'm half hoping the House Democrats use this opportunity to put the public option/Medicare expansion they had to drop before. They only need 50 votes now, remember. That would be a massive *faceplam* moment for the GOP blockers.

Is a possible GOP filibuster back in play now?

177 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:53am

re: #45 Gus 802

Damn! I knew I should have gone into politics instead of learning how to push electrons around.

178 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:58:59am

re: #176 Spare O'Lake

Is a possible GOP filibuster back in play now?

Not as long as it was still under reconciliation, as I understand it.

179 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:12am

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoa.

Out of curiosity, went to yahoo.com and typed in the word "kill" (with quotation marks) and the name of recent presidents to find out how many "results" were there.

There's a whole bunch of them... the current president in a little over a year has outpaced the former president by over 20,000 results.

That is seriously fucked up.

You need to get a better hobby

knitting
stamp collecting
bird watching

ANYTHING !!

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:55am

re: #154 Gus 802

Jonah Goldberg is about the weakest of the weak sauce. What a lightweight :D

181 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:08am

re: #174 Spare O'Lake

BTW, I think it could be dangerous to do so, because it would be spun by the extremists as being provocative and as evidence of the arrival of the socialist police state.
OTOH, if the threats and incitement are as real and dangerous as some seem to fear, then it could be very useful for the government to be ready... just in case.

Seems to me a national escalation of police powers and show of force might rub a lot of people the wrong way and as you note, 'provocative' at the very least.

Post 9/11 law enforcement has done a good job. A few whack job loudmouths do not an insurrection make.

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:35am

re: #173 Varek Raith

I'm against the public option but...I'd LMFAO if that happened...
XD

If a public option happens, it'll likely just be an expansion of medicare that will require certain qualifications, like being low-income. I doubt a public option that is available to anyone will pass anytime soon.

183 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:42am

re: #53 Gus 802

Doesn't Rush weigh more?

184 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:03:19am

re: #168 researchok

Naw... the 'Hatriots' are a small, loud minority of fools.

We had the same stupidity here when W won in 2004-. Republican party offices were vandalized, etc. Recall those fools in Berkeley who crossed onto John Yoo's property and threatened him?

Stupid is equal opportunity.

But aren't these current far right extremists portrayed in the media as being a lot more heavily armed and physically combative?

185 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:04:51am

re: #174 Spare O'Lake

BTW, I think it could be dangerous to do so, because it would be spun by the extremists as being provocative and as evidence of the arrival of the socialist police state.
OTOH, if the threats and incitement are as real and dangerous as some seem to fear, then it could be very useful for the government to be ready... just in case.


I don't think they're dangerous enough to require that! The national guard would be monumental overkill. Law enforcement will do the job just fine.

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:05:47am

re: #184 Spare O'Lake

But aren't these current far right extremists portrayed in the media as being a lot more heavily armed and physically combative?

They're armed and combative, but not organized.

187 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:06:01am

re: #182 WindUpBird

If a public option happens, it'll likely just be an expansion of medicare that will require certain qualifications, like being low-income. I doubt a public option that is available to anyone will pass anytime soon.

Agreed. In a few decades we'll have one.

188 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:11am

re: #187 iceweasel

Agreed. In a few decades we'll have one.

yep! And I'll be old enough to be on normal medicare, haha

I'm looking forward in my old age to being an Alan Moore-esque scraggly wizard with too much jewelry, surrounded by weird art and weird people :D

189 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:14am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Hmm, perhaps a nation-wide, simultaneous SWAT exercise? A kind of subtle show of force?

Something to think about. My guess is that Obama would not take the initiative on this.

190 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:32am

This one should get an award:


/"PZED" is PZ Meyers

191 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:40am

re: #185 WindUpBird

I don't think they're dangerous enough to require that! The national guard would be monumental overkill. Law enforcement will do the job just fine.

Great name for a punk rock band ,, ESPECIALLY if they were based in Charlestown Mass, home of the Bunker Hill (wait for it) monument!

192 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:06am

re: #187 iceweasel

Agreed. In a few decades we'll have one.

Hmm, I was thinking more along the lines of a Thunderdome...
;)

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:09am

re: #191 sattv4u2

Great name for a punk rock band ,, ESPECIALLY if they were based in Charlestown Mass, home of the Bunker Hill (wait for it) monument!

Yeah, but there's already an 80's thrash band called Overkill :D

194 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:19am

re: #173 Varek Raith

I'm against the public option but...I'd LMFAO if that happened...
XD

Heh. I would totally buy the Freeper meme of Obama having Sith Lord powers if that happened.

195 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:56am

re: #193 WindUpBird

Yeah, but there's already an 80's thrash band called Overkill :D

Well , wouldn't MONUMENTAL trump that !?!?

196 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:18am

re: #184 Spare O'Lake

But aren't these current far right extremists portrayed in the media as being a lot more heavily armed and physically combative?

Yes, the media does portray them that way. That said, it doesn't mean the portrayal is accurate. It does however make for a good story.

Americans as a group do not respond to political disagreements with violence. Those who do belong to fringe movements on the right and left with no real power base.

The JBS and the Weather Underground are two examples of the kind of groups that have engaged in violence in the past. No matter how great the political divide in the US, those kind of groups will always be way outside the mainstream.

197 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:37am

re: #185 WindUpBird

I don't think they're dangerous enough to require that! The national guard would be monumental overkill. Law enforcement will do the job just fine.

BTW, Spare is trolling. He imagines that he can get libs to upding or support calling out the National Guard.

Law enforcement is doing just fine. And yes, right wing extremism is in full force. The DHS already noted it in April 2009.

198 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:11:43am

re: #197 iceweasel

BTW, Spare is trolling. He imagines that he can get libs to upding or support calling out the National Guard.

*Scratches head*
Hmm, I'm not seeing it.
*Shrugs*

199 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:12:17am

re: #197 iceweasel

BTW, Spare is trolling. He imagines that he can get libs to upding or support calling out the National Guard.

Law enforcement is doing just fine. And yes, right wing extremism is in full force. The DHS already noted it in April 2009.

I'm trying to be nice tonight, so I'm not jumping to conclusions, haha. Drinking = niceness. :D

200 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:12:32am

re: #182 WindUpBird

If a public option happens, it'll likely just be an expansion of medicare that will require certain qualifications, like being low-income. I doubt a public option that is available to anyone will pass anytime soon.

That's a good idea. Medicare already covers the elderly (by definition a high risk/high cost pool), as well as other high cost groups like people with some disabilities and kidney disease. If you added low income but also younger/lower risk people into that pool, it might help solve some of the problems of funding Medicare as the population ages.

201 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:12:58am

man its going pretty late tonight

202 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:12am

re: #198 Varek Raith

*Scratches head*
Hmm, I'm not seeing it.
*Shrugs*

Yeah, you'd need to bear in mind Spare's other posts in other threads to know. :)

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:14am

Have some weird art!

I recommend the McTarnahan's Spine Tingler, if you're in the NW and you can find it. A great Belgian style tripel beer for the price of a normal micro.

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:34am

re: #201 windsagio

man its going pretty late tonight

Did you really link to that weirdness here? :D

(you know what I'm talking about)

205 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:45am

Oy WUB, does your sound work on your home comp? I wanna send you that cover I tried to link when you were at work

206 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:31am

re: #204 WindUpBird

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

click the dot.

207 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:34am

re: #188 WindUpBird

yep! And I'll be old enough to be on normal medicare, haha

I'm looking forward in my old age to being an Alan Moore-esque scraggly wizard with too much jewelry, surrounded by weird art and weird people :D

DO IT!
Put out some Edward Gorey-esque stuff and I'll collect you. :)

208 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:47am

re: #197 iceweasel

BTW, Spare is trolling. He imagines that he can get libs to upding or support calling out the National Guard.

Law enforcement is doing just fine. And yes, right wing extremism is in full force. The DHS already noted it in April 2009.

You really are an asshole. You have no clue.

209 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:22am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

I know we've been over this, the proper term when addressing a lady is 'bitch'.


For some reason it really bugs me when people call women 'assholes'.

210 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:28am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Thanks for your input.

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:42am

re: #205 windsagio

Oy WUB, does your sound work on your home comp? I wanna send you that cover I tried to link when you were at work

yes, it works on the tablet PC now as well, it just suddenly started working again. Goddamn sound drivers, I can't begin to keep up. Hit me!

212 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:48am

Well, I'm confused.
:/

213 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:29am

re: #211 WindUpBird

2 things you like!


altho I don't know why I was so down on Alanis back in HS.

214 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:45am

re: #210 iceweasel

Thanks for your input.

Falsely accusing others of "trolling" is your gig.

215 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:45am

re: #211 WindUpBird

yes, it works on the tablet PC now as well, it just suddenly started working again. Goddamn sound drivers, I can't begin to keep up. Hit me!

Is it a RealTek "soundcard"?

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:24am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

You really are an asshole. You have no clue.

Man, I'm chill, I'll honestly ask, no bullshit, do you really think it's appropriate to bring out the national guard for Tea Partiers doing the crazy crap they're doing now?

I could see bringing out the natioal guard if, say, a few thousand crazy Texans formed a real irregular army and took a town over, or if a few federal buildings got blown up, but this doesn't rate IMHO.

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:20am

re: #215 Varek Raith

Is it a RealTek "soundcard"?

Nah, it's an old Toshiba M200 Tablet PC, the sound hardware (which is on the motherboard IIRC) is by Soundmax, apparently.

218 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:46am

Oh also, since the people in question are safely gone so I can say it without getting in a fight...

People talking about hunting being part of the circle of life, or how hunters really don't like to kill freak me the fuck out.

I feel better now :D

219 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:52am

re: #217 WindUpBird

Nah, it's an old Toshiba M200 Tablet PC, the sound hardware (which is on the motherboard IIRC) is by Soundmax, apparently.

Ah, old soundcard is old!
:)

220 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:56am

re: #209 windsagio

I know we've been over this, the proper term when addressing a lady is 'bitch'.


For some reason it really bugs me when people call women 'assholes'.

What took you so long?

221 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:17am

re: #107 Gus 802

Jack Daniels? :-)

222 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:20am

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

I was watching a dvd, sorry I was slow :(

223 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:31am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

You really are an asshole. You have no clue.

Ah, lighten up.

Iceweasel and I are pretty far apart on the political scale but she's no 'ahole'- she pretty much gives everyone a fair shake. She's pretty stand up.

224 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:42am

re: #213 windsagio

I liked Alanis in HS. She had some serious zazz, but it's not like I was listening to Jagged Little Pill every day, I was too ensconced in my Dio and Queensryche records :D

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:20:40am

re: #219 Varek Raith

Ah, old soundcard is old!
:)

yes *_*

This thing was a bargain, but I don't run anything newer than Photoshop 5.5 on it. It's great not needing new hardware, makes my pocketbook heavier :D

226 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:20:54am

Hell, its late, I'll link more music.

This is the memory that got me on that Bush kick last week:

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:21:36am

re: #218 windsagio

Oh also, since the people in question are safely gone so I can say it without getting in a fight...

People talking about hunting being part of the circle of life, or how hunters really don't like to kill freak me the fuck out.

I feel better now :D

haha I just have no opinion, I have no lever into the experience of hunting, my dad is as nerdy as I am :D

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:04am

re: #226 windsagio

I keep meaning to do that at karaoke!

229 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:08am

re: #216 WindUpBird

Man, I'm chill, I'll honestly ask, no bullshit, do you really think it's appropriate to bring out the national guard for Tea Partiers doing the crazy crap they're doing now?

I could see bringing out the natioal guard if, say, a few thousand crazy Texans formed a real irregular army and took a town over, or if a few federal buildings got blown up, but this doesn't rate IMHO.

I agree with you. I never advocated bringing our the guard. If you read my posts, you would see that I raised the question of whether it might be appropriate to beef up the numbers or do some extra training.

230 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:25am

re: #227 WindUpBird

Imo it comes down to liking killing things :p

I don't have to prove I'm willing to kill something, as I'm confident its human nature :D

231 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:48am

re: #228 WindUpBird

Dude, thats how you can mapy me for taking the extra shift!! I think you'd do this well :D

232 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:23:16am

re: #214 Spare O'Lake

Falsely accusing others of "trolling" is your gig.

It's not my bag, baby.

WUB had a question for you in 216. I suggest you answer him, instead of bitching at other people randomly.

Think about it: I just called you a troll who wants to stir up shit. The best way to prove me wrong? That'd be answering his question and ignoring me.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:23:27am

re: #231 windsagio

haha ok! I do an ok Bush, I've done Everything Zen before ^_^

234 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:18am

I'm sad by the way, nobody would upding me linking hardcore goldfish porn :(

(I love being exhausted and online, its almost as good as being drunk and online!)

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:38am

Damn, but it is time for more beerage, before I get back to this pile of art

Lagunitas? You're going in this glass pot haste!

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:53am

re: #234 windsagio

I'm sad by the way, nobody would upding me linking hardcore goldfish porn :(

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

237 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:06am

re: #234 windsagio

I'm sad by the way, nobody would upding me linking hardcore goldfish porn :(

(I love being exhausted and online, its almost as good as being drunk and online!)

4 outta 10 on my Shock-o-Meter.
:P

238 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:31am

re: #237 Varek Raith

You're young :P

Its too hard to be really shocking this days, post 2-girls.

239 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:33am

Okay, an etiquette question: How late on a weeknight can I play the Enterprise theme at full volume before it goes from charmingly geeky to anti-social?

240 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:06am

re: #239 Kruk

SCHLUMP!

Well seriously, depends on how soundproofed your walls are >

241 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:28am

re: #239 Kruk

Okay, an etiquette question: How late on a weeknight can I play the Enterprise theme at full volume before it goes from charmingly geeky to anti-social?

Oh man, you gotta try decaf.

242 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:33am

re: #239 Kruk

Okay, an etiquette question: How late on a weeknight can I play the Enterprise theme at full volume before it goes from charmingly geeky to anti-social?

Until the cops knock on your door.

243 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:39am

re: #239 Kruk

Okay, an etiquette question: How late on a weeknight can I play the Enterprise theme at full volume before it goes from charmingly geeky to anti-social?

NOON,, no earlier , no later

And NEVER on a day that ends with a "Y"!

/

244 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:47am

another link! I might have tone this one, but to hell with it!

Oh Marc Almond!

245 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:55am

re: #240 windsagio

SCHLUMP!

Well seriously, depends on how soundproofed your walls are >

Heh. Not very, and I live in a duplex.

246 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:27:28am

re: #245 Kruk

haha I never let my TV get above 20 at night, but I'm shy.

247 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:05am

re: #241 researchok

Oh man, you gotta try decaf.

Heh. I worked way too many night shifts when I was a full time pharmacist. I think my sleep cycle is permantly broken.

248 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:35am

re: #247 Kruk

That's why I"m up, freakin' graves!

Ice, might have missed it, hows your time with Jimmah goin'?

249 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:44am

You all are adorable, seriously.

Must go-- Jimmah and all. Have a great day, folks!

250 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:06am

re: #247 Kruk

Heh. I worked way too many night shifts when I was a full time pharmacist. I think my sleep cycle is permantly broken.

Think mega dose of melatonin.

251 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:14am

re: #249 iceweasel

Hahaa peace, and tell me later, you ugys have a good time :D

252 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:15am

re: #248 windsagio

That's why I"m up, freakin' graves!

Ice, might have missed it, hows your time with Jimmah goin'?

FANTASTIC! Thanks. later!

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:34am

re: #239 Kruk

Okay, an etiquette question: How late on a weeknight can I play the Enterprise theme at full volume before it goes from charmingly geeky to anti-social?

My brother plays Rock Band at 1am, or used to before he had a kid, but he has a house, and solid walls :D

254 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:57am

re: #252 iceweasel

FANTASTIC! Thanks. later!

Rad :D Tell him hi for me ^_^

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:09am

re: #226 windsagio

Tidbit...

When a popular producer named Desmond Child heard this song, he thought Rossdale was singing "Kiss The Rain." When he found out that wasn't the title, he started writing a song called "Kiss The Rain" for Billie Myers. It became her first single and hit #15 in the US.

From songfacts.com

256 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:31am

re: #250 researchok

Think mega dose of melatonin.

You kidding me? I never take any medication till I'm at death's door. Too many years learning about side effects, interactions, allergic reactions....

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:48am

re: #239 Kruk

You alone?

258 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:06am

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome factoid!

I'm going through a post-grunge thing right now, good stuff ;)

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:09am

re: #229 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you. I never advocated bringing our the guard. If you read my posts, you would see that I raised the question of whether it might be appropriate to beef up the numbers or do some extra training.

I don't know enough about the history of the guard to have an idea what would normally be appropriate, but I imagine any sort of out of the ordinary guard activities would geta lot of attention these days...

260 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:29am

re: #256 Kruk

You kidding me? I never take any medication till I'm at death's door. Too many years learning about side effects, interactions, allergic reactions...

You're a strange dude- a pharmacist who won't touch melatonin.

Excellent.

261 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:44am

re: #247 Kruk

re: #248 windsagio

Thats where I'm at now

Doing my turn of three months of 10 p.m. till 10 a.m 4-5 nights a week

Right about now, it's dinner time for me! (6:30 a.m Eastern )

262 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:53am

re: #259 WindUpBird

Took some sleeping pills. Let me know when you finish your beer and leave, that'll be my cue too :P

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:32:13am

re: #262 windsagio

Took some sleeping pills. Let me know when you finish your beer and leave, that'll be my cue too :P

Woot woot

264 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:32:26am

re: #261 sattv4u2

That's a bitch.

NOW MUST FIND ANOTHER SONG TO POST!

265 Kruk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:32:54am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You alone?

Yep, wife's at her mother's. My father-in-law is overseas for a few days, and my mother in law doesn't like being alone.

266 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:33:11am

All of Johnny Cash's last album sounds like its about death.

267 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:33:54am

re: #259 WindUpBird

I don't know enough about the history of the guard to have an idea what would normally be appropriate, but I imagine any sort of out of the ordinary guard activities would geta lot of attention these days...

The guard is basically under control of the state governor. A national response would have to be authorized by each state.

Without a national catastrophe, that just won't happen.

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:33:54am

re: #264 windsagio

That's a bitch.

NOW MUST FIND ANOTHER SONG TO POST!

Check this shit out

Solitude Aeturnus' singer might have one of the best live metal voices I've ever heard

269 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:34:18am

re: #266 windsagio

All of Johnny Cash's last album sounds like its about death.


[Video]

Whaddya expect

The man wore all black , all the time!

270 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:11am

re: #268 WindUpBird

man its hard to get past the names of these bands >>

Also! Awesome evil priest outfit!!

271 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:18am

Off to the salt mines.

Later

272 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:51am

re: #271 researchok

peaces >

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:56am

re: #270 windsagio

man its hard to get past the names of these bands >>

Also! Awesome evil priest outfit!!

He HAMS IT UP :D But man he can sing.

274 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:36:33am

re: #273 WindUpBird

Oh he totally can, I can see that. If he weren't a bit hammy it woudln't be metal.

PS Weren't you gonna change your avatar to a full-body one?

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:38am

The beginning riff to Isis' Beginning and the End is one of my favorite guitar licks of all time. It just sounds like it's stalking you :D

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:59am

re: #274 windsagio

Oh he totally can, I can see that. If he weren't a bit hammy it woudln't be metal.

PS Weren't you gonna change your avatar to a full-body one?

I'm looking for a good picture still! Let me see...

277 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:38:09am

re: #273 WindUpBird

also while I have you, I can finally force you to watch the damn stylo video too!

(sorry for stupid Youtube ads)

Plastic beach has really grown on me btw, its not as accessable as Gorillaz or Demon Days, but its really amazing in its own right.

278 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:40:30am

re: #218 windsagio

Oh also, since the people in question are safely gone so I can say it without getting in a fight...

People talking about hunting being part of the circle of life, or how hunters really don't like to kill freak me the fuck out.

I feel better now :D

As I said earlier, hunting is a sport and a clean kill is a positive part of it. Eating what one kills does elevate the hunt into a part of the circle of life. I think there are ethical hunters and there are unethical ones. There are some who kill animals out of necessity, and I am sure that some of those really don't like to kill yet feel compelled to do.

I am not a hunter but am an avid angler, and I practice catch-and-release i.e. I keep only what I will eat. I feel no guilt about killing a fish and then eating it, but neither do I derive any particular pleasure from the kill. I am just thankful that I get the chance to enjoy this traditional activity and to occasionally enjoy a delicious, freshly killed meal.

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:23am

re: #277 windsagio

Supercharged Camaro FTW

Great song :D

280 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:51am

re: #232 iceweasel

It's not my bag, baby.

WUB had a question for you in 216. I suggest you answer him, instead of bitching at other people randomly.

Think about it: I just called you a troll who wants to stir up shit. The best way to prove me wrong? That'd be answering his question and ignoring me.

I answered him before you posted this...please pay attention.

281 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:12am

re: #275 WindUpBird

That is a great lick. One of the early songs on "Chronicle of the Black Sword" has a really amazing one too, trying to remember which song.

282 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:50am

re: #278 Spare O'Lake

haha, probalby not worth talking about. Its just something I"m not comfortable with, and we won't get anywhere :P

I can accept that you feel that way tho' ;)

283 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:43:12am

re: #281 windsagio

That is a great lick. One of the early songs on "Chronicle of the Black Sword" has a really amazing one too, trying to remember which song.

Sea King? That's got some good guitar in it :D

284 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:43:52am

re: #283 WindUpBird

Yeah, thats the one I'm trying to load now, think that's it.

Hard for me to put stuff like that, since clasically guitar rock isn't my thing.

285 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:48:13am

Ok, Actually I'm fadin' now, so one last song, and I'll be out in the next 5 minutes >>

286 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:51:58am

re: #274 windsagio

Speaking of avatars, when did Mandy change hers from Calvin to KSM and is there post about why she chose it?

287 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:53:27am

Morning all

288 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:53:54am

re: #287 RogueOne

Morning.

289 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:53:55am

re: #282 windsagio

haha, probalby not worth talking about. Its just something I"m not comfortable with, and we won't get anywhere :P

I can accept that you feel that way tho' ;)

That's cool. I am not comfortable with hunting animals either, but I accept the concept of ethical hunting. Something I've never tried but which would be cool would be "hunting" with a camera...as long as the hunter doesn't become the hunted!

290 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:53:55am

re: #286 Bubblehead II

Speaking of avatars, when did Mandy change hers from Calvin to KSM and is there post about why she chose it?

Been a couple of weeks now ,,best to describe it as 'peer pressure". :)

She did credit Charles and Walter (iirc) with helping her choose and edit (crop) the new one

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:54:42am

re: #286 Bubblehead II

Couple of weeks ago? She didn't announce it that I saw, just changed it.

Good for her. I was proud of her for doing it.

I was hoping it would cut down on the vitriol.

From what I've seen, didn't make a damn bit of difference.

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:55:29am

Ha! A spork!

293 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:56:06am

re: #290 sattv4u2

Been a couple of weeks now ,,best to describe it as 'peer pressure". :)

She did credit Charles and Walter (iirc) with helping her choose and edit (crop) the new one

Nope. Charles invited her to change it.

294 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:56:54am

re: #286 Bubblehead II

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couple of weeks ago? She didn't announce it that I saw, just changed it.

Good for her. I was proud of her for doing it.

I was hoping it would cut down on the vitriol.

From what I've seen, didn't make a damn bit of difference.

EXACTLY ,,,,, {sigh}

295 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:57:21am

re: #293 Spare O'Lake

Nope. Charles invited her to change it.

hence my "peer pressure" comment

296 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:29am

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couple of weeks ago? She didn't announce it that I saw, just changed it.

Good for her. I was proud of her for doing it.

I was hoping it would cut down on the vitriol.

From what I've seen, didn't make a damn bit of difference.

Of course not.

297 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:59:34am

re: #290 sattv4u2

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That long ago? Damn, this swing shift schedule has totally messed me up. Knew She was under a lot of pressure to change it, but figured She would keep it just to piss those complaining about it off. Mandy being Mandy if you get my drift.

((Mandy))

298 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:59:44am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Like I said, it's been twenty years.

I ran across it reading Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court"

299 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:00:32am

re: #293 Spare O'Lake

Nope. Charles invited her to change it.

You got a link or was it via E-Mail?

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:02:42am

re: #297 Bubblehead II

The people who dislike her went all Palestinian on her anyway.

Crowd with pitchforks: "Change your avatar! We're offended by your avatar! Change your avatar!"

(changed avatar)

Same crowd: "You're still a bitch! You had a hateful avatar!"

I have tried to be objective watching it. Doesn't seem right to me.

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:03:44am

re: #299 Bubblehead II

Just let it go. It's done.

302 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:04:05am

re: #299 Bubblehead II

You got a link or was it via E-Mail?

I don't have the link but I personally read it here. It was something along the lines of "I was hoping you might change it voluntarily".

303 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:06:08am

re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian>

Can do.

304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:06:19am

Y'all saw this, right?

Good on "The Kingdom".

305 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:07:19am

Gotta get going.
Laters gators.

306 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:08:02am

re: #300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The people who dislike her went all Palestinian on her anyway.

Crowd with pitchforks: "Change your avatar! We're offended by your avatar! Change your avatar!"

(changed avatar)

Same crowd: "You're still a bitch! You had a hateful avatar!"

I have tried to be objective watching it. Doesn't seem right to me.

It was fascinating to watch though. Sort of like being on a highway and knowing the semi is jack knifing in slow motion

"They" cut her off from the herd (if one dared come to her "defense" they were accused of agreeing that it's okay to piss on ALL Muslims) and once she was isoltaed picked at her like turkey buzzards on road kill

AND ,, as you stated, after the carcass was down to nothing but bones, they came up with a recipe to make the bones edible

307 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:10:55am

re: #302 Spare O'Lake

Was suggested that I let it drop and I will. But dang it, it made it easy for me to spot her posts.

308 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:12:02am

re: #307 Bubblehead II

Was suggested that I let it drop and I will. But dang it, it made it easy for me to spot her posts.

Well ,, now just look for Rosie O'Donnels twin brother!!!
/

309 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13:41am

re: #300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The people who dislike her went all Palestinian on her anyway.

Crowd with pitchforks: "Change your avatar! We're offended by your avatar! Change your avatar!"

(changed avatar)

Same crowd: "You're still a bitch! You had a hateful avatar!"

I have tried to be objective watching it. Doesn't seem right to me.

I was one of those offended by the avatar. I dropped it after it was changed.

310 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:16:18am

re: #309 Varek Raith

I was one of those offended by the avatar. I dropped it after it was changed.

I was slightly offended by it. In that Charles never (until two or so weeks ago) said anything about it, I mentioned it to her once and dropped it at that

311 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:16:29am

re: #309 Varek Raith

I was one of those offended by the avatar. I dropped it after it was changed.

I thank you for dropping the issue.

312 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:16am

re: #306 sattv4u2

It was fascinating to watch though. Sort of like being on a highway and knowing the semi is jack knifing in slow motion

"They" cut her off from the herd (if one dared come to her "defense" they were accused of agreeing that it's okay to piss on ALL Muslims) and once she was isoltaed picked at her like turkey buzzards on road kill

AND ,, as you stated, after the carcass was down to nothing but bones, they came up with a recipe to make the bones edible

Alinsky rules, anyone?

313 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:32am

re: #308 sattv4u2

*shudder*

314 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:44am

I don't generally get offended by something as trivial as an avatar, unless it's someone making fun of my mom.

315 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:49am

re: #312 Taqyia2Me

Alinsky rules, anyone?

worked to a "T"

316 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:19:20am

re: #314 RogueOne

I don't generally get offended by something as trivial as an avatar, unless it's someone making fun of my mom.

Well, I can't help it if she wears army boots!!
//

317 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:19:52am

re: #316 sattv4u2

Well, I can't help it if she wears army boots!!
//

Jeez, that is sooo old...
:P

318 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:00am

re: #312 Taqyia2Me

Demonize the messenger? Never have gotten that straight.

319 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:18am

re: #317 Varek Raith

Jeez, that is sooo old...
:P

yeah ,,, so am I ,,, so !?!?!?!

320 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:46am

re: #318 Bubblehead II

Demonize the messenger? Never have gotten that straight.

no ,, isolate and attack

321 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:53am

re: #319 sattv4u2

yeah ,,, so am I ,,, so !?!?!?!

So? :P
That's what!
:P

322 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:23:30am

For those curious about the ACLU's issue with drone warfare there are a couple of interesting posts on Volokh:

Response from ACLU’s Jonathan Manes on Drones and US Forces
[Link: volokh.com...]


The ACLU, the organization that I work for and represent as a lawyer, has filed a FOIA request and lawsuit in order to serve this democratic function. The ACLU is trying to facilitate the kind of public debate and discussion that is necessary and appropriate in a democracy when it comes to using lethal military force abroad. Targeting and killing specific people who are off the battlefield also raises significant civil liberties concerns – especially when the targets can include U.S. citizens, as the government has acknowledged.

and more on the hearing....

Drone Warfare in House Subcommittee Hearing
[Link: volokh.com...]

323 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:23:45am

Just wonder what Mandy's old Avatar looked like when people here get so mad at her?
Was it Bush? An Israeli flag? Something offensive against Allah (s.u.c.k.s.)?

324 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:25:27am

re: #323 gegenkritik

Just wonder what Mandy's old Avatar looked like when people here get so mad at her?
Was it Bush? An Israeli flag? Something offensive against Allah (s.u.c.k.s.)?

You've been here for 2 years. She just changed in in the last two weeks

Are you being provocative or do you really not know what it was less than 14 days ago!?!?!

325 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:26:56am

re: #324 sattv4u2
I do not remember everyone's Avatar. I do not even look at most of them.

326 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:27:10am

re: #323 gegenkritik

Heh, too early to be dealing with you. :P
...or, perhaps not.

Can you answer my question? This is the 3rd time I've asked.

What, exactly, make me "anti Israel"?

I don't like having unfounded accusations thrown against me.

327 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:27:24am

re: #325 gegenkritik

I do not remember everyone's Avatar. I do not even look at most of them.

In that case, it doesn't matter

328 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:27:43am

re: #323 gegenkritik

You ever see the Calvin pissing on (whatever) sticker? Now put the object as being a green flag with "allah/god" in Arabic on it and you will have a good idea.

329 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:32:31am

Now that gegenkritik is here again my 2 day run on the bottom 10 comments will probably be over so lets get this out of the way....

I can't believe that 2 days ago almost everyone on here was making fun of the losing side of the HCR debate for being overly dramatic about their loss and then the next day they all go off the rails because stupak got 50 angry phone calls (OMG!), someones brother had his grill vandalized (his burgers COULD HAVE DIED!) and even worse, someone held a prayer vigil with a baby coffin. Obviously the republic is coming to an end. Pansies.

330 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:34:41am

re: #329 RogueOne

Heh, listening to the wingnuts, the Republic has indeed come to an end.
:P

331 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:35:14am

Our political class wants to pass the most controversial spending plan since social security passed but they don't want to take the heat. Too damn bad. If a member of congress can't stand hearing disagreements then they should move on and take a job in the private sector where they'll be treated to flowers and rainbows on a daily basis. Man up, take the crap you brought on yourself and move the hell on.

332 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:07am

Boo-Freakin'-Hoo. There, I think I got it out of my system for awhile at least.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:22am

re: #329 RogueOne

Did you see the wing-nuts shut down Ann Coulter the other day? Damn those right wing nutjobs are scary.

334 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:25am

re: #331 RogueOne

Dude...

335 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:44am

re: #332 RogueOne

Boo-Freakin'-Hoo. There, I think I got it out of my system for awhile at least.

Good vent?

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:51am

re: #329 RogueOne

I find it funny that everyone wants to know when Rush is moving to Costa Rica. Funny, where were these people when Hollywood was gonna leave because "W" got reelected?

337 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:37:20am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

Funny, where were these people when Hollywood was gonna leave because "W" got reelected?

Pretty much mocking them, too.

338 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:37:24am

re: #334 freetoken

Dude...

I knew that would wake you up//

339 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:37:40am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

I find it funny that everyone wants to know when Rush is moving to Costa Rica. Funny, where were these people when Hollywood was gonna leave because "W" got reelected?

Meh, put 'em all in rubber dinghies and set them afloat.

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:38:19am

re: #331 RogueOne

Okay, so I dung and undung that. I agree, but going to someone's home to give them heat... is a bit over the top.

341 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:39:40am

re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, so I dung and undung that. I agree, but going to someone's home to give them heat... is a bit over the top.

FBV, release the hounds.
;)

342 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:39:51am

re: #329 RogueOne

Just another day at LGF as far as I am concerned. But then again, as a hold over from the cold war survivalist days, I already have my guns,ammo and food stores. Not to mention radiological detection equipment/potassium Iodine tablets.

343 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:41:57am

re: #342 Bubblehead II

Just another day at LGF as far as I am concerned. But then again, as a hold over from the cold war survivalist days, I already have my guns,ammo and food stores. Not to mention radiological detection equipment/potassium Iodine tablets.

NOTE TO SELF

do NOT accept the canned meats from Bubblehead ,,they are WAY over the expiration dates !

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:03am

re: #343 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF

do NOT accept the canned meats from Bubblehead ,,they are WAY over the expiration dates !

Spam never dies.
///

345 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:05am

re: #343 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF

do NOT accept the canned meats from Bubblehead ,,they are WAY over the expiration dates !

SPAM is immortal...

346 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:37am

re: #343 sattv4u2

Rotation, my friend. Rotation.

// BTW, want to buy some seed stock?

347 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:46:19am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #345 Varek Raith

I have a filter on my puters that takes care of that!

348 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:13am

All right, let's try this again.

Night everyone!

349 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:08am

re: #328 Bubblehead II

You ever see the Calvin pissing on (whatever) sticker? Now put the object as being a green flag with "allah/god" in Arabic on it and you will have a good idea.

Oh my god.

When I asked if Mandys Avatar was something offensive against Allah, I meant to be sarcastic because despite all this "Islam is peace"-rhetoric amongst many people here, I couldn't believe that actually any humor or subversively action against the ideology of a medieval gang leader is taken as a crime here.

What's next coming from some people here? Call for trial against the danish cartoonists? Fatwa against Geert Wilders? Compared to some islamophile people here, some folks at Daily Kos are actually critics of Islam.

350 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:50:31am

re: #348 Varek Raith

There is no night, nor is there no day. It is all relative to the space/time continuum that you are currently residing in.

/First to little caffeine and now probably too much

351 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:50:54am

re: #349 gegenkritik

{sigh}

I don't even know where to start, so I'll take the high road and won't!

352 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:51:40am

re: #349 gegenkritik

As Cato pointed out, "Allah" is simply Arabic for God. Since Mandy is a self-professed religious Christian, Cato and others were getting on her case for how hypocritical her avatar was, and that she was just doing it to try to be demeaning.

The blog owner here has made it clear he will not put up with LGF being a hate site.

353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:54am

I helped stir this pot. I apologize.

Rest in pieces, issue.

354 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:09am

re: #351 sattv4u2

Agree. Probably shouldn't have responded in the first place.

*sigh*

355 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:51am

re: #352 freetoken

As Cato pointed out, "Allah" is simply Arabic for God. Since Mandy is a self-professed religious Christian, Cato and others were getting on her case for how hypocritical her avatar was, and that she was just doing it to try to be demeaning.

The blog owner here has made it clear he will not put up with LGF being a hate site.

And now that the offensive avatar has been replaced, 'Cato and the others" have not relented (as FVB pointed out)

356 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:54:37am

re: #353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I helped stir this pot. I apologize.

Rest in pieces, issue.

No need to. It was a good post/ observation

357 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:55:46am

Yikes. Looks like I walked in on the tail end of a flame war. Should I bring my flamethrower back out?

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:57:08am

re: #357 thedopefishlives

Nah, it's done.

Unless someone else decides to opine.

(glare)

Good.

359 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:42am

re: #357 thedopefishlives

No, It's wasn't a flame war. I just noticed that Mandy had changed her avatar and asked about it. All responses have been civil.

360 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:59:11am

re: #359 Bubblehead II

No, It's wasn't a flame war. I just noticed that Mandy had changed her avatar and asked about it. All responses have been civil.

Awww. *pout* I'm cold and I wanted to play with the fire.

361 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:59:29am

re: #359 Bubblehead II

No, It's wasn't a flame war. I just noticed that Mandy had changed her avatar and asked about it. All responses have been civil.

fuck you, they were, you jackass!
/////

362 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:01:02am

re: #360 thedopefishlives

Well you always have AGW,HCR,DADT and immigration to fall back on. I'm sure one of those could get the thread nice and toasty.

363 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:02:42am

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW ,, not to open an old wound,, but are you feeling any better this a.m than after your trip yesterday?

364 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:03:39am

re: #362 Bubblehead II

Well you always have AGW,HCR,DADT and immigration to fall back on. I'm sure one of those could get the thread nice and toasty.

With the exception of HCR, I usually step out when one of those topics comes up. Just a tish too warm for my tastes.

365 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:03:41am

re: #361 sattv4u2

Weird, I was going to try and find a snappy YouTube clip for a come back and all I get is this.

Http/1.1 Service Unavailable

Anybody else having this problem?

366 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:04:20am

re: #365 Bubblehead II

Yup. I expect it to pass quickly.

367 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:05:28am

Youtube pings are going a bit slow, 75ms, so the interface is there. I wonder if Google is doing a system wide software update of the servers? Perhaps something to do with China.

368 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:05:58am

Are cosmic rays really causing Toyota's woes?
Regulators take closer look at design of electronics

[Link: www.freep.com...]

Fucking Martians screwing with our cars !

369 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:07:19am

re: #352 freetoken
Well, it's more than clear that Mandy referred to Allah as the Muslim God (by the way, there are several other words for God in the Arabic language, who do not refer to Allah) and not to the translation some Arabic (and a few others) Christians use to refer to their God. Cato's argument is nonsense.

But what I find more disturbing is the fact, that religious feelings (of Muslims and Islamophiles) are seen as much more important than the right to mock Islam. Is Ayaan Hirsi Ali ("I am here to defend the right to offend") now also regarded as a hate-preacher?

370 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:08am

Those who did not vote for that bill are against health care?

371 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:18am

re: #369 gegenkritik

Cato's arguments can be many things, but they are rarely "nonsense."

And, "right to mock Islam" has nothing to do with it.

372 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:25am

The Harris poll we were discussing yesterday has been officially released:

"Wingnuts" and President Obama

Majorities of Republicans believe that President Obama:

* Is a socialist (67%)
* Wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (61%)
* Is a Muslim (57%)
* Wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government (51%); and
* Has done many things that are unconstitutional (55%).

Also large numbers of Republicans also believe that President Obama:

* Resents America's heritage (47%)
* Does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do (40%)
* Was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (45%)
* Is the "domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of" (45%)
* Is a racist (42%)
* Want to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers (41%)
* Is doing many of the things that Hitler did (38%).

Even more remarkable perhaps, fully 24% of Republicans believe that "he may be the Anti-Christ" and 22% believe "he wants the terrorists to win."

While few Democrats believe any of these things, the proportions of Independents who do so are close to the national averages.

One big surprise is that many more Republicans (40%) than Democrats (15%) believe the president does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do.

373 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:32am

re: #369 gegenkritik

it's more than clear that Mandy referred to Allah as the Muslim God

How do you know it's "more than clear". You just told the entire class you didn't even know what the avatar was, never saw it, never paid attention to it.
SO ,,, after one poster describes it you have concluded that "it's MORE than clear",, not just 'clear', but MORE THAN !!

{sigh}

374 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:11:12am

re: #364 thedopefishlives

Then you need to get yourself one of these.

375 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:12:01am

re: #362 Bubblehead II

Well you always have AGW,HCR,DADT and immigration to fall back on. I'm sure one of those could get the thread nice and toasty.

Taking the morning bait--

I've not seen a lot of LGF angst over DADT. It looks like most agree its time has come and gone.

HCR, despite today's procedural death rattle, is falling into the "let's see" mode.

But there's always AGW. Someday I'd like to get past the data wars and start playing with action-oriented arguments, like "Should we be trying to avoid a New Dark Ages, or should we be planning to manage the New Dark Ages?"

376 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:14:06am

re: #373 sattv4u2

You are right - she is a Christian and that's why she mocks the Christian god with the Arabic word for it...

Maybe think for one second before posting?

377 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:15:26am

re: #371 freetoken

Cato's arguments can be many things, but they are rarely "nonsense."


Then this is one of the few cases.

378 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:15:41am

For the love of Pete. Let it go.

379 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:16:02am

re: #378 Cannadian Club Akbar

For the love of Pete. Let it go.

Turn on your GAZE filters. It's not worth getting your blood boiling over.

380 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:16:27am

re: #372 shiplord kirel

The Harris poll we were discussing yesterday has been officially released:

"Wingnuts" and President Obama

About that poll:
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]


Whatever profoundly negative things people might think about Barack Obama, a new poll out today demonstrates splendidly how not to measure them.

It nails the negativity, all right; this project purports to tote up responses to a list of harsh criticisms of the president – e.g., that he’s “anti-American,” “a racist,” “wants… an excuse to take dictatorial powers,” “is doing many of the things that Hitler did” and “may be the Antichrist.”

Hot words, those. The survey, done by Harris Interactive, apparently was designed to test the theories in a book claiming the “lunatic fringe is hijacking America.” The purpose seems to have been to see how many people the pollsters could get to agree to pejorative statements about Obama. Quite a few, it turns out – but with what I see as a highly manipulative approach to questionnaire design.

I’ll lay off the sampling, though this survey was done among people who sign up to click through questionnaires via the Internet in exchange for points redeemable for cash and gifts – not a probability sample. Been there before. This time let’s just look at what it asked.
.....

SNIP...You can read the rest.

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:16:31am

re: #363 sattv4u2

Still kinda pissed... chuckling between the tears of rage, tho.

Thanks for asking.

382 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:18:10am

re: #376 gegenkritik

You are right - she is a Christian and that's why she mocks the Christian god with the Arabic word for it...

Maybe think for one second before posting?

Ahh ,,, we've descended into the ad hominem. Good boy!

Perhaps you should READ and COMPREHEND before you do

383 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:18:56am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Still kinda pissed... chuckling between the tears of rage, tho.

Thanks for asking.

Is there no way to screen out such time-wasters before you make such a driving investment?

384 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:34am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well you could always send her a package of termites.

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:35am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Nope. Not at all.

386 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:57am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Still kinda pissed... chuckling between the tears of rage, tho.

Thanks for asking.

It happens. I remember when I had my own biz I used to go out on service calls. People wouild get pissed and question why if I charged $50 an hour (with a 1 hour minimum) if it only took me 10 minutes to fix their problem why I still charged the full $50

I would ask them how long had they been trying to fix it?

387 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:20:58am

re: #368 sattv4u2

Ack! Ack! Ack!

388 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:09am

Feel free to go back to my 328 and down dinging it for summoning the troll.

389 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:15am

re: #387 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ack! Ack! Ack!

Somewhere, Jack Nicholson is cringing! (and vaporized)

390 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:25:01am

re: #385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Not at all.

Would a modest refundable "consultation fee" kill off your traffic? When she asked for your drawings, I thought you could sell them to her at a worthwhile price (plus a bother factor).

391 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:25:32am

re: #380 RogueOne

I was a little amused at some of the responses by Democrats. 6% believe he may be the Antichrist, 8% are apparently birthers, the same percentage think he is a domestic enemy, and 14% think he is a socialist. Maybe these are devil-worshipers, one-world government types, general subversives, and socialists respectively.

392 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:27:02am

re: #382 sattv4u2
Since you think that it is absolutely not clear that Mandy - "a self-professed Christian" - used the word "Allah" to describe the Muslim god, please explain what you think she wanted to express.

393 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:27:16am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

The Dixiecrats are not extinct.

394 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:28:42am

re: #392 gegenkritik

Since you think that it is absolutely not clear that Mandy - "a self-professed Christian" - used the word "Allah" to describe the Muslim god, please explain what you think she wanted to express.

Nice try, but I never stated "it is absolutely not clear that Mandy - "a self-professed Christian" - used the word "Allah" to describe the Muslim god

Strike TWO

TWO STRIKES ,
NO BALLS

395 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:14am

You know, I had no idea what a certain persons avatar said. For years. It has been changed. Move the fuck on.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:22am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

No. I am very good at what I do, and the ideas I throw out are very good. People want to take my work product and bid it out. Just the work product is worth $500.00.

Customers are willing to pay about 10.00, and they think it is generous. So I stopped discussing it.

Had one customer grab a drawing out of my hand and ask me to leave once.

Didn't have a problem doing that. Didn't feel upset either.

I sensed something going on like that and drew up a disaster. A mean a complete and total train wreck of a kitchen. I didn't put the microwave hood under the sink... (but I did put it over the sink)...

Gots me some gigglin' on the way home.

397 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:06am

re: #394 sattv4u2
Hopping around won't save you. Explain what you think Mandy meant.

398 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:33am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

Would a modest refundable "consultation fee" kill off your traffic? When she asked for your drawings, I thought you could sell them to her at a worthwhile price (plus a bother factor).

I missed the story on this, but it's very common around here for design joints to withhold drawings of any sort until they receive a commitment to actually do the work, along with a deposit. They're happy to show them to you, but they don't belong to you in the first place, and they don't really care much for handing them off free so their competitor can skip that step. Most places, the salesman will make a rough, hand-drawn sketch and take some measurements, and that's about all you get back until you cough up some real money.

It's never struck me as unreasonable.

399 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:31:02am

re: #388 Bubblehead II

Feel free to go back to my 328 and down dinging it for summoning the troll.

Meh. It's free target practice on a freezing cold Thursday.

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:32am

re: #397 gegenkritik

Nothing personal, but please, regarding the subject...

...really, please?

401 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:51am

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I sensed something going on like that and drew up a disaster. A mean a complete and total train wreck of a kitchen. I didn't put the microwave hood under the sink... (but I did put it over the sink)...

Gots me some gigglin' on the way home.

That's epic win right there. And for the record - if I consult a professional to do work on my home, it's not worth my time to try to cheat them. If all I wanted was a design I could implement myself or with another contractor, I'd say so up front. Underhanded sleazeball tactics like that only make it harder for you to get good work from respectable professionals.

402 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:00am

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #398 SixDegrees

It was from FBV's thread comment last night. When I said sell the drawings, I didn't mean mean cheaply. If the market isn't there, tell them to buy a softcover from Lowe's.

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:35:24am

re: #402 Decatur Deb

re: #398 SixDegrees

It was from FBV's thread comment last night. When I said sell the drawings, I didn't mean mean cheaply. If the market isn't there, tell them to buy a softcover from Lowe's.

Ready for this? "Lowe's told us it was too far for them to come, even for a fee."

404 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:16am

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Then that probably made ripping them up while she was watching even more sweet.

405 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:18am

re: #402 Decatur Deb

re: #398 SixDegrees

It was from FBV's thread comment last night. When I said sell the drawings, I didn't mean mean cheaply. If the market isn't there, tell them to buy a softcover from Lowe's.

I agree that's the right answer. It's pretty standard in this area.

406 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:32am

re: #397 gegenkritik

Hopping around won't save you. Explain what you think Mandy meant.

Who the fuck do you think you're talking too? You've been slapped around here this morning and think I'm going to play the part of your trained monkey?

That would be strike THREE

Yessirree Sports fans

Three Strikes
NO Balls!

407 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:30am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ha! They charged me $90 to deliver 2 pallets of shingles less than 2 miles. They did send an 18-wheeler and a very sweet forklift.

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:38:57am

re: #407 Decatur Deb

Damn. Only $90.00? Those guys.

Lose a dollar on every transaction, but make it up in volume.

I swear sometimes I think the Federal Government owns Lowe's too.

409 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:41:34am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ready for this? "Lowe's told us it was too far for them to come, even for a fee."


Yeesh.

We had our laundry room redone recently. My extremely crude sketch and measurements were more than enough to get me a decent estimate. Once we committed, the contractor got a LOT more detailed, first to make sure I wasn't insane and that the correct cabinets were selected and ordered; then a second set of measurements by another guy, to double check the first ones; finally, yet another one by the actual installers once all the materials were on site. Everything went very smoothly, and I didn't mind at all not getting the explicit plans up front - although yes, they would have been handy when I was comparison shopping, I suppose, and even more so if I was contemplating doing my own installation.

I didn't mind being told the drawings belonged to the store, though, until I signed a contract. Seemed completely fair to me.

410 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:50am

re: #406 sattv4u2
Alright, I see you are one of the most sophisticated persons around here. I have no more arguments in response to your wise "STRIKE!", "YOU ARE BEING SLAPPED!", "NO BALLS!" and so on. Bye.

411 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:46:34am

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damn. Only $90.00? Those guys.

Lose a dollar on every transaction, but make it up in volume.

I swear sometimes I think the Federal Government owns Lowe's too.

They're a little weird, but they were good about taking back 3 bundles of special order shingles. When I tried to tell them to start pushing Energy Star for this year's tax breaks, they said Lowe's doesn't have an employee suggestion program.

412 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:47:43am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

I was a little amused at some of the responses by Democrats. 6% believe he may be the Antichrist, 8% are apparently birthers, the same percentage think he is a domestic enemy, and 14% think he is a socialist. Maybe these are devil-worshipers, one-world government types, general subversives, and socialists respectively.

It's almost a Lockerz poll if you've ever seen one of those. It was probably full 4chan kids answering the questions trying to win free pr0n.

413 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:48:04am

re: #407 Decatur Deb

Ha! They charged me $90 to deliver 2 pallets of shingles less than 2 miles. They did send an 18-wheeler and a very sweet forklift.

Bubba walked into a doctor's office and the receptionist asked him what he had.

Bubba said, "Shingles." So she wrote down his name, address, medical insurance number and told him to have a seat.

Fifteen minutes later a nurse's aide came out and asked Bubba what he had. Bubba said, Shingles. So she wrote down his height, weight, a complete medical history and told Bubba to wait in the examining room.

A half hour later a nurse came in and asked Bubba what he had. Bubba said, "Shingles." So the nurse gave Bubba a blood test, a blood pressure test, an electrocardiogram, and told Bubba to take off all his clothes and wait for the doctor.

An hour later the doctor came in and asked Bubba what he had. Bubba said, "Shingles." The doctor asked, Where? Bubba said, "Outside on the truck. Where do you want them?"

414 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:48:48am

re: #410 gegenkritik

Alright, I see you are one of the most sophisticated persons around here. I have no more arguments in response to your wise "STRIKE!", "YOU ARE BEING SLAPPED!", "NO BALLS!" and so on. Bye.

THIS ,, from the guy that STARTED the ad hominem in #376

"Mommy ,, the bad man is using calling me names after I called HIM names,, WHHHAAAAAA"

415 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:51:02am

// Forget about gold, lets use silver instead.

LEGISLATION WOULD HAVE ALLOWED IDAHOANS TO PAY TAXES WITH SILVER

And I pay taxes for this stupidity.

416 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:55:57am

re: #84 Gus 802

I've always had a problem with big game hunting. I can understand it with regards to large deer populations such as around Pennsylvania or New Jersey.

Roughly four alternatives for handling the white tail deer in those states:

1. Allow hunting and attempt to use doe permits as a method of population control. (How many male deer you kill is fairly inconsequential to the overall population issue over the long run.)

2. Do nothing. That will eventually (soon) result in heavy over-population, deer starvation and disease, plus ecological damage as they eat everything in sight that is edible to deer.

3. Re-introduce some (more) natural deer predators. Wolf packs in central PA? Sure, why not. And I'm sure Mt. Nittany could use some new lions as well.

4. Implement some sort of program that will sterilize female deer without killing/harming them. Presumably drugs of some sort, and then you have to work out the system for getting it into the deer, and also pay for it.

417 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:57:07am

re: #415 Bubblehead II

Down here, I guess we could pay with peanut butter. A year or two ago, one of our older citizens was busted by a female cop on a solicitation charge. He offered her a used washing machine and a couple squirrels for her services. Will try to find a link.

418 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:59:31am

re: #417 Decatur Deb

Down here, I guess we could pay with peanut butter. A year or two ago, one of our older citizens was busted by a female cop on a solicitation charge. He offered her a used washing machine and a couple squirrels for her services. Will try to find a link.

The SPIN on that is that it was NUTS!

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:59:36am

re: #411 Decatur Deb

Bottom end stuff is what Lowe's specializes in. Not a shot at Lowe's at all, it is their market. Hell, I've bought buttloads of stuff from them.

But, they'll sell 1 ES rated roofing shingle for every 1000 regular cheapo shingles they sell...

It is what their customers want.

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:01:28am

Companies geared toward contractors and "do-it-yourselfers" generally move the same product.

What I refer to as "Birdsong" home products.

What's "Birdsong"?

"CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP"

421 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:02:55am

Booga. Or not.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:03:05am

They've got the 1,500.00 bathroom sink, it is on display.

The same one... year after year after year....

I asked someone in the store once, how many of these have you sold? She said, "Oh, none. People buy the knockoff."

423 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:03:23am

re: #420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Companies geared toward contractors and "do-it-yourselfers" generally move the same product.

What I refer to as "Birdsong" home products.

What's "Birdsong"?

"CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP"

Although,, I did just purchase (near) Top of The line LG washer/ dryer combo from Home Depot. Delivered they were over $150 cheaper than anywhere else I could buy the same exact models

424 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:07:36am

re: #417 Decatur Deb

re: #418 sattv4u2

Found it, and sanitized the town:

One of the men caught up in a xxxxx Alabama prostitution sting operation allegedly offered the female police officer posing as a sex worker six freshly killed squirrels in lieu of cash. I imagine he thought she'd jump at the chance to cook up some fierce squirrel stew. [via Neatorama; whose post title would make a great scratch-your-head band name: Squirrels for Sex.]

425 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:09:55am

re: #424 Decatur Deb

via Neatorama; whose post title would make a great scratch-your-head band name: Squirrels for Se
x

100% correct. Any self respecting RedNeck would KNOW that Possums are FAR more sensuous than squirrels!

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:11:19am

re: #425 sattv4u2


via Neatorama; whose post title would make a great scratch-your-head band name: Squirrels for Sex

100% correct. Any self respecting RedNeck would KNOW that Possums are FAR more sensuous than squirrels!

Another good name? "Sensuous Possums".

I'm just sayin...

427 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:11:34am

Speaking of rodents, I'm having severe hamster problems. Back after reboot.

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:13:09am

re: #423 sattv4u2

Oh, sure. What percentage of the big dog washer dryer combo's do you think they sell. 10% tops; anecdotal, but I am willing to bet.

429 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:14:34am

*twirrrlll*

All the dogwoods in the world are blooming right now!

*twirrrlll*

430 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:16:25am

re: #429 MandyManners

Morning Mandy.

431 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:16:35am

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, sure. What percentage of the big dog washer dryer combo's do you think they sell. 10% tops; anecdotal, but I am willing to bet.

Oh, I'm sure.

Just remarking on the fact that the big box store had the make/ models we wanted at a fairly substantial savings over what the smaller "specialty' high end appliance stores here had

432 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:17:03am

re: #429 MandyManners

*twirrrlll*

All the dogwoods in the world are blooming right now!

*twirrrlll*

WOOF ,,, WOOF WOOF

433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:17:30am

re: #431 sattv4u2

Next time? Let me know... I've got a guy... Nationwide: I've got a guy.

434 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:17:41am

another "sudden acceleration" wreck, once again by someone who's a little on the old side:

[Link: www.ajc.com...]


FORT WAYNE, Ind. — An Ohio woman says her Lexus careered through a parking lot and crashed into a light pole in Fort Wayne, Indiana, after its accelerator dropped to the floor.

Myrna Cook was treated for a broken leg and other injuries Thursday. The 67-year-old from Paulding says she almost struck cars and pedestrians.

I read a story last week making fun of the toyota hysteria which pointed out the ages of all the crash victims. According to his numbers the vast majority of the victims of sudden acceleration were older drivers raising the question of how much of the problem was due to confused driver error. Not only should toyota do a recall on it's vehicles but states have to start testing older drivers yearly. They won't since old people vote, but they should. If it saves just one life, it's for the children, etc., etc,.

435 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:18:07am

re: #433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Next time? Let me know... I've got a guy... Nationwide: I've got a guy.

will do

and if you ever need a hot possum date ,,,,

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:18:15am

re: #429 MandyManners

*twirrrlll achooo!*

All the dogwoods in the world are blooming right now!

*twirrrlll achooo!*

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:19:20am

re: #434 RogueOne

DEATH PANELS!!!111!!!111!1!1!

438 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:19:43am

re: #430 Bubblehead II

Good morning to you, Bubblehead II!!!

*twirrrlll*

439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:20:11am

re: #438 MandyManners

Why you twirlin' little missy?

440 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:20:16am

re: #432 sattv4u2

WOOF ,,, WOOF WOOF

MEOW!

*twirrrlll*

441 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:20:34am

re: #433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Next time? Let me know... I've got a guy... Nationwide: I've got a guy.

Promises, promises,, THIS from the guy that couldn't even meet me for LUNCH !!

//

442 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:20:47am

re: #436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bless you, FBV!

*twirrrlll*

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:20:50am

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why you twirlin' little missy?

I think her spring has sprung.

444 compound idaho  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:21:03am

re: #415 Bubblehead II

// Forget about gold, lets use silver instead.

LEGISLATION WOULD HAVE ALLOWED IDAHOANS TO PAY TAXES WITH SILVER

And I pay taxes for this stupidity.

I wonder if they would accept 30 pieces?

445 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:21:22am

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why you twirlin' little missy?

It's SPRING!!!

*twirrrlll*

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:21:23am

re: #434 RogueOne

They're all around 70... One guy who died was 94 (shame) his son was driving. I'm not sure of the age of the son, but, I'd guess... AROUND 70!

447 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:21:47am

re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think her spring has sprung.

Indeed it has!

*twirrrlll*

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:22:25am

SPRING HAS SPRUNG!
THE GRASS IS RIZZ!
I WONDER WHERE THE BOIDIES IZ?

449 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:22:54am

The birds are singing! The sun is shining! The tulips will bloom soon!

*twirrrlll*

450 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:23:21am

Morning all...

Well, in about an hour, I'm calling the HR person over at our local national super market chain. She called me last Monday, said they may have some positions open, call her back today.

I put a resume in 6 months ago, and had an interview, but they never got back to me. Now they did.

Even if they offer me something, it will only be part time (20 hours plus a week), but the good part is they pay a good bit over minimum wage and 80 hours a month will help, better than no hours a month.

I've been looking for something in my career since I left the thrift store, but it seems programming jobs, even when I am 100 percent super qualified, I just never even get a bite from those people.

One good thing, the super market store is up here in our mountain community, just a few miles away. Thats convenient.

451 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:23:48am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SPRING HAS SPRUNG!
THE GRASS IS RIZZ!
I WONDER WHERE THE BOIDIES IZ?

Fuck. That reminds me. I need to mow my yard.

452 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:25:11am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

fingers crossed

453 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:25:15am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Morning all...

Well, in about an hour, I'm calling the HR person over at our local national super market chain. She called me last Monday, said they may have some positions open, call her back today.

I put a resume in 6 months ago, and had an interview, but they never got back to me. Now they did.

Even if they offer me something, it will only be part time (20 hours plus a week), but the good part is they pay a good bit over minimum wage and 80 hours a month will help, better than no hours a month.

I've been looking for something in my career since I left the thrift store, but it seems programming jobs, even when I am 100 percent super qualified, I just never even get a bite from those people.

One good thing, the super market store is up here in our mountain community, just a few miles away. Thats convenient.

Here's a rose for you, Walter:

@--->

454 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:25:38am

re: #451 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuck. That reminds me. I need to mow my yard.

Yes ,, you do need to mow MY yard

455 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:26:01am

re: #451 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuck. That reminds me. I need to mow my yard.

Oh, why mow? Be kind to your little, green friends! Don't decapitate the grass!

456 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:26:25am

re: #452 sattv4u2

fingers crossed

Thanks... I'll take it for now (maybe forever :)... A job with a part time schedule still offers me the opportunity to keep looking for a full time programming job.

457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:26:52am

re: #413 Mad Al-Jaffee

Nuns are painting a room in the convent. Didn't want to mess up their habits, so they stripped and were painting in the nude. Knock on the door, they panic say, "Who is it?", male voice says, "Blind Man! Can you help me? Please open the door." Feeling pity they open the door... the man walks in carrying a bundle says,

"Nice tits Sister. Where do you want the blinds."

458 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:26:54am

re: #453 MandyManners

Here's a rose for you, Walter:

@--->

Thanks...

459 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:27:03am

re: #456 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... I'll take it for now (maybe forever :)... A job with a part time schedule still offers me the opportunity to keep looking for a full time programming job.

and an opportunity to squeeze the melons while at work!

460 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:27:10am

re: #454 sattv4u2

re: #455 MandyManners

I have to borrow a mower since mine was stolen.:(

461 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:27:49am

re: #460 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #455 MandyManners

I have to borrow a mower since mine was stolen.:(

You can use mine ,, it's in the garage waiting for you

462 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:27:53am

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bottom end stuff is what Lowe's specializes in. Not a shot at Lowe's at all, it is their market. Hell, I've bought buttloads of stuff from them.

But, they'll sell 1 ES rated roofing shingle for every 1000 regular cheapo shingles they sell...

It is what their customers want.

Here's a Lowe's story you'll like (they lost).

I wanted a new countertop in my kitchen. Not granite, but the engineered stone that doesn't need to be sealed every year.

Lowes: take your own measurements, use our online calculator to figure the price, then come into the store and put down 1/2 the cost and we'll talk to you about your concerns. Oh, and we can't install on top of the old countertop or backsplash, you'll have to remove it all (and since the backsplash was also the wall, install new wall board before we can install the new counter and backsplash, and since the counter on the stove island had to be a certain height to fit just under the stovetop, remove the old countertop and install a plain wood platform for the countertop to rest on).

The local installation place: We'll send someone out right away to take measurements and give you an estimate, talk to you about your special needs and your concerns. Sure - we can install over the old backsplash. Sure, we can leave the stove island counter in place and install on the top of it! Oh and here's our price - $1000 lower than the Lowe's estimate.

Guess who I bought from?

463 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:29:24am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

A lot of those supermaket chains are union, so you should be able to get some benefits if you work there.

464 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:29:43am

re: #459 sattv4u2

and an opportunity to squeeze the melons while at work!

As you probably have already figured out, I have fun doing just about anything. The position she said may be available is for a cashier... can you imagine how much fun I can have, with my sense of the absurd, talking care of numerous "flavors" of people. I love people, love helping them and putting a smile on their face.

465 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:29:43am

re: #460 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #455 MandyManners

I have to borrow a mower since mine was stolen.:(

Don't mow! Free the little green blades of grass!

466 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:30:15am

re: #462 reine.de.tout

Guess who I bought from?

Nobody told us there was going to be a quiz today!!

467 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:30:44am

re: #466 sattv4u2

Guess who I bought from?

Nobody told us there was going to be a quiz today!!

b...b...b...but it's such an easy one!

468 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:30:46am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm happy to report that there's been a tentative deal reached to build 2 and 3 WTC at Ground Zero, which may finally help get the entire site built sometime this decade. The interminable delays have been an eyesore and should be rightfully seen as a national disgrace, but at least we may finally have some progress, even if the Deutsche bank building is still up and the site will see construction through the end of the decade.

469 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:31:30am

re: #467 reine.de.tout

b...b...b...but it's such an easy one!

The dog ate my homework!

470 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:31:41am

Off to yoga!
Y'all have a great day.

471 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:31:57am

re: #463 Mad Al-Jaffee

A lot of those supermaket chains are union, so you should be able to get some benefits if you work there.

No... this store is part of the Kroger company, but this store is not union, although they follow most of the union rules. I don't know how this works, but there is some sort of way they decide which stores are union or not. If a store is a certain distance from the local uniion office in Denver, they can opt out of the union.

I don't understand the finer details, but I know this store has no union workers.

472 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:33:56am

re: #462 reine.de.tout
I'm starting to look at doing a full kitchen remodel and after my apparent success in installing an over the range microwave, I think I might be able to tackle doing a cabinet install at some point in the future (and after prodigiously watching DIY shows to see how it should be done properly). I wouldn't be doing any layout changes, so the work would be fairly straight forward, but I have other projects that come first... like doing more landscaping work... it's too nice out to be stuck inside tearing up my kitchen..

473 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:34:58am

The garden club is meeting today so I gotta' get going!

Have a sun-filled day, Lizards!

*twirrrlll*

474 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:35:48am

Mouse over the photo of the coffin on that blog, and notice what the image is saved as: "Carnahan-death-panel"...

Mornin' kids.

475 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:37:40am

re: #473 MandyManners

keep that up and your going to make yourself dizzy.

476 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:38:30am

Another puppycide, this time by an off-duty officer:

Meridian Police: Off-duty officer shot family's dog


Brandi Straley was in her front yard with her two family dogs.

The animals did their usual and urinated at a bush near the sidewalk.

Straley says the rest happened quickly after her dog, a Queensland Heeler Cowboy, began to bark at a man who was walking by.

She immediately called the dog to return to the house after seeing the man had a gun.

“(The dog) ran around and was coming back and he shot. Boom. Boom. Shot him. Dead. He made a beeline into our garage and died right there," said Straley. She told us the dog was shot in the street, not in her yard.

“I can understand if he ripped some guy's leg off, then he might deserve to die but he didn't deserve to die for barking," said Jackie Sieler.

[Link: www.ktvb.com...]

A weeks pay says the officer isn't charged and they'll rally around the poor cop because he's the victim, after all the dog was barking at him. For a test to see if the officer is getting preferential treatment take your gun on your next walk and shoot the first dog that barks at you and see if there's a difference in treatment.

477 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:40:03am

re: #474 darthstar

Mouse over the photo of the coffin on that blog, and notice what the image is saved as: "Carnahan-death-panel"...

Mornin' kids.

People were praying, PRAYING, in front of his house. That's just horrifically scary.

478 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:40:11am

Good Morning! Great to see you having a happy twirrl worthy morning Mandy!

479 McSpiff  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:40:23am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

As you probably have already figured out, I have fun doing just about anything. The position she said may be available is for a cashier... can you imagine how much fun I can have, with my sense of the absurd, talking care of numerous "flavors" of people. I love people, love helping them and putting a smile on their face.

Cashier is probably one of the best jobs I've had. I'd be the only person with a line, because my customers insisted on coming to me. Their words, not mine.

480 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:40:56am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

No... this store is part of the Kroger company, but this store is not union, although they follow most of the union rules. I don't know how this works, but there is some sort of way they decide which stores are union or not. If a store is a certain distance from the local uniion office in Denver, they can opt out of the union.

I don't understand the finer details, but I know this store has no union workers.

Do they give discounts on food? 'Cause that'd be pretty sweet.

481 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:42:12am

I consider Nogales to be a former-home town:

[Link: www.azstarnet.com...]

Nogales police sergeant who Tasered co-worker's crotch resigns


A sergeant with the Nogales Police Department has resigned after being put on administrative leave for zapping a fellow officer in the crotch with a Taser.

Police Chief Jeffrey Scott Kirkham confirmed on Wednesday that Sgt. Sergio Bon resigned last week for the incident that occurred in mid-February at the Nogales police station. The victim was a lower-ranking police officer.

"There was apparently some animosity and some joking around," Kirkham said. "The sergeant became agitated, pulled out his Taser, and hit him in the groin."

482 suchislife  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:43:47am

re: #306 sattv4u2

It was fascinating to watch though. Sort of like being on a highway and knowing the semi is jack knifing in slow motion

"They" cut her off from the herd (if one dared come to her "defense" they were accused of agreeing that it's okay to piss on ALL Muslims) and once she was isolated picked at her like turkey buzzards on road kill

AND ,, as you stated, after the carcass was down to nothing but bones, they came up with a recipe to make the bones edible

Ok, I'm sorry I can't stick around to immediately react to any objections to what I'm saying now, because I have to be somewhere, but I do want to get this of my chest: I was really struck by your impression that people wanted to "isolate" Mandy from "the herd", for two reasons:
1. If someone thinks that another person is doing something not just tacky or boring, but actually wrong and offensive, and not just a one time thing but ongoing, and not just annoying but actually harming the community, and if that other person doesn't react to this critique by explaining/justifying it, or by correcting it, then I think it's perfectly normal and also right to ask other people in that community to clarify their stance.
It's exactly what Charles and anyone else here mean when they say that people on the left or on the right ought to come out and say where they stand vis-a-vis problematic things done by the people they legitimize by interacting with them. (This IN NO WAY means that I ever found that avatar or her behavior in any way comparable to the things this blog criticizes about the right or the left. I'm describing a similarity in structure, not in, let's say, seriousness. NOT COMPARING IT IN THAT SECOND WAY.)
2. If I actually wanted to isolate someone, say Iceweasel, from the rest of the community while attacking them, I would (without ever proving/explaining it) cry "conspiracy!!1!" "mob behavior!!" whenever someone dared to agree with that person or defend them. I would baselessly claim that anyone who agrees, even if that person was KNOWN to be the only one to have access to the same information as IW, or if someone else explicitly explained her reasoning, is really motivated by a secret nefarious unspecified agenda to persecute the majority of this blog. I would "reasonably" suggest that taking sides, no matter whether one side was beyond unfair, was the same as prolonging the fights, when everyone (as you have shown with your post) knows that the vitriol is worse and more persistent when the victim is isolated.
Ok. Sorry I can't stay for objections, but if you, sattv4u2, or anyone wants to tell me how I got this wrong, I'll read it later! If it's totally ignored and the thread rolls peacefully on, that would probably not be the worst thing either. Still, I felt like reacting to that comment.

483 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:44:49am

re: #479 McSpiff

Cashier is probably one of the best jobs I've had. I'd be the only person with a line, because my customers insisted on coming to me. Their words, not mine.

Honestly, when I worked at my local small-town hardware store, being the cashier wasn't so great. The really fun job was being out on the floor, talking to the customers and helping them make sure they got what they needed, even if it wasn't what they originally came in for. I'm no expert salesman, but I still got a sense of satisfaction from knowing the customer would be able to do the job right. (And also, from unloading some sweet expensive equipment from the Radio Shack display in the store on a guy who loved to spend money!)

484 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:46:22am

re: #476 RogueOne

This part of the story really takes the cake.

"The officer told me that there is no risk in firing the gun and I asked him why and he said because he was pointing it down towards the dog and that's why there was no risk," said neighbor Seth Myer."

What an utter crock of shit. Any time you discharge a weapon into the ground there is always the chance of a ricochet.

485 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:47:04am

re: #480 SixDegrees

Do they give discounts on food? 'Cause that'd be pretty sweet.

I don't know. Like I said above, I haven't even been offered a job, they want me to call back this morning.

486 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:49:31am

re: #484 Bubblehead II

This part of the story really takes the cake.

"The officer told me that there is no risk in firing the gun and I asked him why and he said because he was pointing it down towards the dog and that's why there was no risk," said neighbor Seth Myer."

What an utter crock of shit. Any time you discharge a weapon into the ground there is always the chance of a ricochet.

It's a good thing the post office doesn't have the same union standards as the police department or they would be out shooting dogs on a daily basis. If my chubby mail carrying postal worker can make it through the day without shooting a dog I don't know why a brave police officer can't.

487 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:49:40am

re: #484 Bubblehead II

This part of the story really takes the cake.

"The officer told me that there is no risk in firing the gun and I asked him why and he said because he was pointing it down towards the dog and that's why there was no risk," said neighbor Seth Myer."

What an utter crock of shit. Any time you discharge a weapon into the ground there is always the chance of a ricochet.

You got that right, it's not about the backstop, its the "out of policy use of a gun". Barking dog ain't it! BTW, D_L & I have helped train people including cadets and police in use of firearms. We made sure we were very familiar with local PD policy.

488 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:50:18am

re: #476 RogueOne

We have a queensland heeler. They do bark at strangers. But they call off quickly. If Banjo barks at someone I can stop him in a second. But I do worry about that very scenario. I can't tell you how sad this story makes me.

489 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:50:35am

Ah well ,,,

The my shift is over. Time for the long ride home where I get to put the 3rd coat of stain on the front door, then nap, then the 1st coat of sealant

Oh ,,,,, joy !!

490 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:50:54am
Here’s Hoft’s post at Father Richard John Neuhaus’s First Things website: Coward Russ Carnahan Pushes Bogus Tea Party Lie to Media– Claims Prayer Service With Coffin Was a Violent Threat.

I'm very disappointed that Jody Bottum and Fr. Neuhaus's other editorial heirs let Hoft set up shop at First Things. I admired RJN since I first encountered him, in the pages of The Wittenburg Door (kind of a Christian MAD Magazine) in the mid 80s. He recounted his journey from Sixties activist to conservative Catholic priest. He kept up his insistence for justice in Vietnam after the communists won, but was told by his fellow activists that the communists were on the correct side of the world revolution and were not to be criticized. Later on, I discovered First Things, don't remember how. Much of the contents resonated with me (though I continue to deplore their toleration of Intelligent Design charlatanry in their pages), and became part of my inner furniture.

In fact, I used to theme my blog as a running appreciation of FT. After a while I drifted out of schtick--I didn't have the intellectual firepower to do more than just link, it turned out. But I still resonate...a pity they're lending their pages to this clown.

491 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:50:57am

Off to work!

492 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:52:00am

re: #489 sattv4u2

Ah well ,,,

The mMy shift is over. Time for the long ride home where I get to put the 3rd coat of stain on the front door, then nap, then the 1st coat of sealant

Oh ,,, joy !!

pimf

493 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:52:39am

re: #477 RogueOne

People were praying, PRAYING, in front of his house. That's just horrifically scary.

They don't pray, they prey.

494 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:54:18am

re: #488 darthstar

We have a queensland heeler. They do bark at strangers. But they call off quickly. If Banjo barks at someone I can stop him in a second. But I do worry about that very scenario. I can't tell you how sad this story makes me.

When my house was broken into last year the officer who showed up made a point of telling my spouse that my neighbor was a drug dealer. The first thing that popped into my head was if the cops raided my house by accident my dogs are dead. Not to sound like an ITG, but my best friend is a cop and I've said on more than one occasion there would be a severe penalty to pay for that kind of a mistake.

495 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:56:14am

The disembodied voice speaks again... Osama warns against executing KSM and other 9/11 terrorists in US custody and that if the US does, al Qaeda will do the same to any Americans that come into its custody.

Nice empty threat there - considering that al Qaeda has had no problem butchering thousands around the world in all manner of brutal terror attacks, including blowing up buildings, restaurants, mosques, embassies, buses, trains, and subways, and crashing planes into skyscrapers.

496 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:57:58am

re: #495 lawhawk

I'm not saying we should behead KSM on TV, but I do think we should kill the fucker. Osama be damned.

497 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:59:33am

re: #495 lawhawk

The disembodied voice speaks again... Osama warns against executing KSM and other 9/11 terrorists in US custody and that if the US does, al Qaeda will do the same to any Americans that come into its custody.

Nice empty threat there - considering that al Qaeda has had no problem butchering thousands around the world in all manner of brutal terror attacks, including blowing up buildings, restaurants, mosques, embassies, buses, trains, and subways, and crashing planes into skyscrapers.

Anything less that the death penalty for KSM (if convicted) would be an absolute travesty and, in light of this threat, a sign of dhimmitude.

498 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:03:40am

re: #486 RogueOne

re: #487 Rightwingconspirator

IMHO there was no reason to shoot the dog. It wasn't a threat and the asshole needs to be charged with cruelty to an animal as well as reckless endangerment. My beef is the assertion that just because he was pointing the weapon towards the ground that no one was in danger. That statement was either made in ignorance or arrogance. Take your pick.

499 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:08:41am

This one is for the parents and the Johnny Winter fans here.

The Cure for the Sleepless Nights Blues

500 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:17:20am
501 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:17:43am

SpaceJesus posted this link yesterday:
[Link: sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com...]

Found this on Reason afterwards:

The Breaking Windows Fallacy


There's a lot of hyperbole out there about Mike Vanderboegh, an Alabama militiaman who reacted to the health care bill by urging all patriots to break windows at Democratic Party headquarters around the country -- a suggestion that a handful of brick-throwers seems to have embraced. It's a lousy idea, but it isn't a sign of racism, anti-Semitism, or any of the similar maladies being diagnosed by some of Vanderboegh's critics. I've been aware of Vanderboegh for a while. His chief claim to fame is being one of the more vocal anti-racists in the militia milieu, a guy who went out of his way to antagonize the neo-Nazi types who tried to hitch their wagons to the movement back in the '90s. Comparing his brick campaign to Kristallnacht is ridiculous.

That said, his plan is pretty ridiculous as well. Breaking windows at Democratic offices will do about as much to stop Obamacare as breaking windows at Starbucks did to stop international trade agreements.


[Link: reason.com...]

Within the story is a link to this old article:
[Link: www.dallasobserver.com...]


Tellingly, one of the keynote speakers at the Mountain Springs meet was Alabaman Mike Vanderboegh, a recruiter for a minuscule organization called Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. It's unclear how many Jews are members of the organization, but the JPFO's message to Jews is that genocide can't be perpetrated upon a well-armed people.

But Vanderboegh, a Presbyterian, took a little different attack with the mostly Christian men at Mountain Springs. Speaking about Morris Dees, chief of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which operates Klanwatch, he established a rapport with the combat-clad group by declaring that "Morris did a good job of attacking the Klan and the neo-Nazis when they needed to be attacked. Unfortunately, he's in the position of the dragon-slayer who's killed all the dragons and now the villagers won't pay him because there isn't any threat. So, invent a dragon--hence the militia movement."

Then he called for a purge within the militias. "I'm talking about racists, I'm talking about anti-Semites, I'm talking about agents provocateurs, I'm talking about loose cannons....To the extent that we ignore these people, we prove Morris right," he argued. His remarks were the most heated--and most applauded--of the day.


A jewish militia. Don't know why but that comes across as a little unusual to me, at least when talking about U.S. militias.

502 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:17:44am

re: #499 Mad Al-Jaffee

This one is for the parents and the Johnny Winter fans here.

The Cure for the Sleepless Nights Blues

Hey... I was looking at your band website the other day... who was that skinny white guy?

503 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:21:33am

re: #501 RogueOne

And this proves what... that Vanderboegh didn't suggest that people break windows?

504 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:22:04am

CNN's newest member of the "Best Political Team on Television" also advocates biblical justice...

Well, I see that was actually posted on Sunday...so I'm sure he was asked about it by his colleagues on the TV by now.

505 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:22:56am

re: #502 Walter L. Newton

Hey... I was looking at your band website the other day... who was that skinny white guy?

It wasn't Johnny Winter! :)

506 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:25:11am

re: #505 Mad Al-Jaffee

It wasn't Johnny Winter! :)

Did you see my story replied to you about the all black band I played with in Dallas back in the 70's?

507 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:25:16am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

And this proves what... that Vanderboegh didn't suggest that people break windows?

Oh no, he's saying it proudly. I think the SPLC is, umm, misguided in labeling him a racist hate monger. I also agree with the Reason piece saying breaking windows is a mistake. Not only because it's against the law but because it doesn't make your cause look good. Breaking someones windows is not the way to win friends and influence people.

508 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:25:39am

re: #477 RogueOne

People were praying, PRAYING, in front of his house. That's just horrifically scary.

I disagree. You don't know what calamity the crowd may have been wishing upon him, and besides, placement of a coffin in front of his family home is an act of intimidation and a threat IMO.

For no particular reason, this reminds me of one of the schtick from the '60s record album called You Don't Have To Be Jewish. An elderly gentleman is standing in front of Mr. Cohen's gravestone and he keeps repeatedly chanting and wailing out loud "Oy why did you die?" Another person who is visiting a different nearby grave overhears this, and after several minutes they approach the gentleman and ask him "Excuse me sir, but I couldn't help noticing how upset you are...was Mr. Cohen a close friend or relative?" The elderly fellow stopped his wailing, looked over at the person, and replied "Never met the man." and he continued to repeatedly cry "Oy why did you die?" The other person was puzzled and soon interrupted again to beg for an explanation, whereupon the elderly gentleman again paused his lament and replied "I am Mrs. Cohen's second husband."

509 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:25:41am

Well, this should give plenty of people cause for sleepless nights. That rosy expectation that Social Security wouldn't run into the red until 2017 as estimated back in 2008 under then CBO chief Peter Orszag was just that - way too rosy.

It now looks like Social Security will begin running into the red this year, and except for a 2 year blip in 2013 and 2014, will begin running deeper and deeper into the red each year thereafter.

This year, the system will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, an important threshold it was not expected to cross until at least 2016, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Stephen C. Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, said that while the Congressional projection would probably be borne out, the change would have no effect on benefits in 2010 and retirees would keep receiving their checks as usual.

The problem, he said, is that payments have risen more than expected during the downturn, because jobs disappeared and people applied for benefits sooner than they had planned. At the same time, the program’s revenue has fallen sharply, because there are fewer paychecks to tax.

Analysts have long tried to predict the year when Social Security would pay out more than it took in because they view it as a tipping point — the first step of a long, slow march to insolvency, unless Congress strengthens the program’s finances.

“When the level of the trust fund gets to zero, you have to cut benefits,” Alan Greenspan, architect of the plan to rescue the Social Security program the last time it got into trouble, in the early 1980s, said on Wednesday.

While the Times says that the SS fund wont go insolvent until 2037 or so, that ignores that the SS fund is itself loaded for bear with nothing but Treasury IOUs. We've been borrowing against the fund for so long that no one wants to accept that the program is in such deep trouble that changes to the program aren't just inevitable but are necessary far sooner than anyone wants to admit.

510 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:27:01am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

Did you see my story replied to you about the all black band I played with in Dallas back in the 70's?

Yeah, I did, but I think it was right before or after I signed off. Pretty cool!

Quite often I get questions from people at gigs about how a guy like me ended up in that band. I'm going to start telling them that the band leader is my uncle. Can't you see the resemlbence?!

511 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:29:24am

re: #507 RogueOne

Not to mention that destroying other people's property is an odd way to defend a viewpoint that is heavily based on defending rights to private property and privacy.

512 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:31:25am

Good morning, folks.

(insert witty and pithy statement here, as my brain currently can't come up with something)

513 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:32:02am

Also changed my Avatar, I apologize if it hurts the feelings of Islamophiles and Khomeinists here.

514 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:33:36am

re: #508 Spare O'Lake

+1 for the funny joke. On the other portion I'm going to have a hard time getting worked up about people praying in front of the house. If they were praying for his death that would be something else entirely but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that kind of behavior.

515 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:35:15am

Good Morning and Happy Thursday to Everyone! I see Mandy's dogwoods are in bloom and she's in a twirl this morning and the rest of you are feeling just a feisty, must be spring! I hope my Miniature Roses are happy with me, I transplanted 3/4 of them yesterday, still have a few more to go but that'll have to wait. :-)

516 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:35:19am

Good morning Lizards.

Exciting day here at work as I struggle with access to some German web-sites (SAP is your friend, obey SAP, keep your laser handy...)

Second cup of coffee is starting to kick in however, so things might be looking up for an hour or two.

517 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:35:33am

re: #511 oaktree

Not to mention that destroying other people's property is an odd way to defend a viewpoint that is heavily based on defending rights to private property and privacy.

True. Of course congressional offices are owned by the taxpayers.

518 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:35:46am

re: #513 gegenkritik

Also changed my Avatar, I apologize if it hurts the feelings of Islamophiles and Khomeinists here.

Afghaanistan looked similar in 72

519 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:35:54am

re: #513 gegenkritik

Also changed my Avatar, I apologize if it hurts the feelings of Islamophiles and Khomeinists here.

I wonder what would happen in Tehran today if female students dressed like that. Showing legs! Whores!

520 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:36:00am

re: #518 darthstar

Afghanistan...PIMF

521 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:37:01am

re: #517 RogueOne

Not to mention that destroying other the people's property is an odd way to defend a viewpoint that is heavily based on defending rights to private property and privacy.

Fixed... ;)

522 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:38:09am

re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, I did, but I think it was right before or after I signed off. Pretty cool!

Quite often I get questions from people at gigs about how a guy like me ended up in that band. I'm going to start telling them that the band leader is my uncle. Can't you see the resemlbence?!

The band leader in the band I was in was named Jesse Ray, and my nickname was "Monster" because this was the 70's, and I had a synth, and that was cool then, and I made all sort of funky "noises" with it...

In clubs where the clientele hadn't seen me before, he would start the night with this... "Some of you may have noticed that there is a white guy in this room, for a matter... he's right here on stage.. we call him Monster because he's a monster of a keyboard player. If anyone has any thought of messing with Monster, you are going to have to get pass me first."

Gee... that was comforting! Jesse played bass and he was built like a linebacker from the Dallas Cowboys.

523 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:38:25am

re: #520 darthstar

Afghanistan...PIMF

Looked okay to me! ;)

524 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:39:08am

re: #513 gegenkritik

Also changed my Avatar, I apologize if it hurts the feelings of Islamophiles and Khomeinists here.

Why do you insist on antagonizing people? More than half the time there are people in agreement with you and you manage to squander any and all consensus. Learn to play nice, or at least try.

525 pharmmajor  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:41:51am

Right now I wish that I could do what Jay and Silent Bob did; find the address of every Tea Party leader, go to their homes, and kick them in the balls when they open the door as punishment for their idiocy.

526 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:42:15am

re: #501 RogueOne


A jewish militia. Don't know why but that comes across as a little unusual to me, at least when talking about U.S. militias.

JPFO has been around for a long time. They have ties to the JDL. They claim not to be a "Kahanist" group, but they do tend to be a magnet for Kahanists.

527 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:43:28am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

The band leader in the band I was in was named Jesse Ray, and my nickname was "Monster" because this was the 70's, and I had a synth, and that was cool then, and I made all sort of funky "noises" with it...

In clubs where the clientele hadn't seen me before, he would start the night with this... "Some of you may have noticed that there is a white guy in this room, for a matter... he's right here on stage.. we call him Monster because he's a monster of a keyboard player. If anyone has any thought of messing with Monster, you are going to have to get pass me first."

Gee... that was comforting! Jesse played bass and he was built like a linebacker from the Dallas Cowboys.

We've never had any problems with the audience and race. Most of the older Black guys like to jokingly ask stuff like "How's a guy like you playing with the brothers?!" And they usually answer themselves, something like, "You wouldn't be in this band if you couldn't blow harp the way you do!"

We have played some pretty rough areas in Baltimore. For those gigs, instead of giving me directions, I meet one of my bandmates and ride with them. They usually insist on this.

528 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:44:21am

re: #526 Alouette

JPFO has been around for a long time. They have ties to the JDL. They claim not to be a "Kahanist" group, but they do tend to be a magnet for Kahanists.

I haven't heard anything about the JDL in a long time, they used to go around downtown L.A. looking for donations.

529 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:44:21am

I absolutely have to finish turning over my kitchen for Passover TODAY, which means clearing the table from last night's pizza and then kashering the sink and countertops.

My injured foot is hurting again. Where'd I put that vicodin?

530 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:46:16am

re: #529 Alouette

I absolutely have to finish turning over my kitchen for Passover TODAY, which means clearing the table from last night's pizza and then kashering the sink and countertops.

My injured foot is hurting again. Where'd I put that vicodin?

(((Alouette))) BTW sorry about yesterdays faux pau!

531 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:47:30am

re: #529 Alouette

My injured foot is hurting again. Where'd I put that vicodin?

That sounds like a song - it even rhymes!

532 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:48:38am

re: #524 RogueOne

Why do you insist on antagonizing people? More than half the time there are people in agreement with you and you manage to squander any and all consensus. Learn to play nice, or at least try.

Yep, i tried offering that advice too. Some camels just won't drink the water...

533 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:48:48am

Congressman bishop says the insurance companies want to shoot you.


"Shots: Bishop"

534 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:49:33am

re: #529 Alouette

I absolutely have to finish turning over my kitchen for Passover TODAY, which means clearing the table from last night's pizza and then kashering the sink and countertops.

My injured foot is hurting again. Where'd I put that vicodin?

So THAT's how the steak knives end up in the freezer, eh//

535 Donna Ballard  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:49:41am

Tummy's rumbling, time for breakfast. BBL!

536 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:51:01am

re: #525 pharmmajor

Jay & Silent Bob upding

537 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:52:05am

re: #526 Alouette

JPFO has been around for a long time. They have ties to the JDL. They claim not to be a "Kahanist" group, but they do tend to be a magnet for Kahanists.

Damn that was funny.
Going around the country and beating every nerd that ever called him a bitch must be Smith's personal fantasy.

538 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:52:19am

re: #531 Mad Al-Jaffee

That sounds like a song - it even rhymes!

Theme song for the "House" show.

539 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:52:47am

Don't tell anyone, it will kill the meme:


Secret Service: Threats Against Obama Declining
[Link: www.usnews.com...]


When it comes to death threats, well, Barack Obama is finally just a regular old president. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan reports that the surge in threats against Obama, peaking on Inauguration Day, has plummeted. "It's now at a level where it was with other presidents, and that's a good thing," Sullivan tells Whispers. He credits the public for helping keep Obama safe during the election by calling in threats spouted by nutty neighbors. "It was an historic election, and there was a lot of sensitivity out there. I think one of the best partners we have is the public, and the public does bring this to our attention."

540 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:54:27am

re: #539 RogueOne

Don't tell anyone, it will kill the meme:

Secret Service: Threats Against Obama Declining

Now that is a narrative/meme I am happy to see killed.

541 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:55:17am

re: #532 Aceofwhat?

Yep, i tried offering that advice too. Some camels just won't drink the water...

I had my 1st (and last) encounter with this blogger earlier today

542 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:55:46am

#537
Ohhh Kaaayyy
I have no idea why my response posted with that.
Need to go have my morning tea.

543 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:57:16am

re: #519 Mad Al-Jaffee
Some weeks ago, hundreds of brave women on one day in Tehran walked in front of their homes and put down the Hijabs. Normaly, religious police would take them into custody for commiting sin against Allah (not sure if they mean the Islamic God or the Arabic translation for the Christian God, I'll ask sattv4u2 to clarify), but since it were too many and they were close to their homes, police tried to ignore this.

Here's another short, but very interesting documentary about Iranian women protesting against the Hijab, shortly after the Islamic Revolution:

[Link: video.google.de...]

They are shouting Azadi jahani, na gharbi, na sharghi! - Freedom is universal, not western nor eastern; thus mocking Khomeinis slogan that Iran is not western (capitalistic) nor eastern (communistic), but Islamic.

Today, those women would be called Islamophobic hate-preachers.

544 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:58:44am

re: #541 sattv4u2

I had my 1st (and last) encounter with this blogger earlier today

"blogger" is too complimentary of a term, imho. i have them classified somewhere closer to 'european with internet access in mommy's basement'...it's just a hunch...

545 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:59:01am

Too quiet around here. I've been trying to stir shit but no one's biting.

546 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:59:07am

re: #539 RogueOne

Don't tell anyone, it will kill the meme:

Secret Service: Threats Against Obama Declining
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

It's tough to remember everyone on your death-threat list. HCR has cut into the president's popularity among wackos./

Still, this is good news. But don't worry, the media will continue to focus on Obama's plunge in the polls. And when immigration reform gets top billing this summer, you can expect the Tea Party to renew their efforts in earnest.

547 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:59:28am

re: #543 gegenkritik

no they wouldn't

548 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:59:46am

re: #546 darthstar

It's tough to remember everyone on your death-threat list. HCR has cut into the president's popularity among wackos./

Still, this is good news. But don't worry, the media will continue to focus on Obama's plunge in the polls. And when immigration reform gets top billing this summer, you can expect the Tea Party to renew their efforts in earnest.

Disagree, but still funny.

549 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:59:48am
Ahmadinejad: West Pressure Won't Affect Our Nuclear Program
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
25/03/2010 13:42

TEHERAN, Iran — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday said efforts by the West to halt Iran's nuclear program will not bear fruit.

Addressing the West during a ceremony marking the inauguration of a dam in southwestern Iran, Ahmadinejad said: "Rest assured that your efforts will be fruitless."

Ahmadinejad also urged the West to stop supporting Israel.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This guy is just begging for it.

550 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:00:11am

re: #545 RogueOne

Too quiet around here. I've been trying to stir shit but no one's biting.

Well, it's shit. You take a bite.

551 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:00:37am

re: #549 Spare O'Lake

This guy is just begging for it.

He'll get it, eventually.

552 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:01:09am

re: #546 darthstar

It's tough to remember everyone on your death-threat list. HCR has cut into the president's popularity among wackos./

Still, this is good news. But don't worry, the media will continue to focus on Obama's plunge in the polls. And when immigration reform gets top billing this summer, you can expect the Tea Party to renew their efforts in earnest.

don't remind me. immigration reform is like catnip for republican dumb. can't say that GWB wasn't seeing clearly on this topic, at least. we're a nation of immigrants, and half of my forlorn party wants to pretend otherwise. helllp...

553 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:02:31am

re: #552 Aceofwhat?

don't remind me. immigration reform is like catnip for republican dumb. can't say that GWB wasn't seeing clearly on this topic, at least. we're a nation of immigrants, and half of my forlorn party wants to pretend otherwise. helllp...

I'm all for all but open borders immigration but during an economic downturn with 10%+ unemployment in wide areas around the country you couldn't ask for a dumber time to bring it up.

554 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:03:37am

Music producer and cofounder of KC and the Sunshine Band admits to having sex with underage boys. He's being held in Ohio on $250,000 bond. It may be the way he likes it, but it's illegal, if the allegations are true.

Richard R. Finch, 56, was arrested Tuesday after a boy told authorities he’d had sexual contact with him at Finch’s home in Newark, the Licking County sheriff’s office said. The boy made the revelation last week.

Finch, while being interviewed at the sheriff’s office, admitted he’d had sex with that boy and others ranging in age from 13 to 17, police said.

Finch, a former bass player for the band and a seven-time Grammy Award winner, was being held at the sheriff’s office on $250,000 bond.

A message posted on the Web site of Richard Finch Productions Inc. said the allegations against the producer and song arranger were baseless.

“We will let due process happen through the legal system,” it said, “and through that, we are sure Mr. Finch will be vindicated from these unfounded allegations.”

The lede says he admits to having engaged in sexual acts; his company's website says the allegations are baseless. One of them is not like the other. If the accusations are true, then Finch should go away to prison for a good long time.

555 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:03:58am

re: #553 RogueOne

I'm all for all but open borders immigration but during an economic downturn with 10%+ unemployment in wide areas around the country you couldn't ask for a dumber time to bring it up.

But where will we get enough doctors for the new health care program?

556 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:04:50am

re: #553 RogueOne

I'm all for all but open borders immigration but during an economic downturn with 10%+ unemployment in wide areas around the country you couldn't ask for a dumber time to bring it up.

depends on where we start. lifting the stupid visa limit on educated immigrants would be a different tactic. and open borders ≠ immigration reform - it seems a lot easier to be tougher on the immigrant felons if we're simultaneously more tolerant of immigrants who wish to embrace what the country has to offer...

557 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:04:52am

re: #555 Alouette

But where will we get enough doctors for the new health care program?

good point, we need more cuban defectors.

558 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:05:05am
We prayed for the elderly who will die waiting for care because they couldn’t make it past the Obama death panels.

Death Panels!

559 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:05:22am

re: #529 Alouette

I absolutely have to finish turning over my kitchen for Passover TODAY, which means clearing the table from last night's pizza and then kashering the sink and countertops.

My injured foot is hurting again. Where'd I put that vicodin?

Soon will be time for the candle and the feather.

560 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:06:16am

re: #558 Killgore Trout

Death Panels!

I did this post in honor of you but you weren't here for me to harass:
re: #533 RogueOne

561 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:06:23am

re: #547 Aceofwhat?
Some of my friends were a part of those demonstrations in 1979/80. Today, they are being insulted in Germany by leftists and other Islamophiles as "Islamophobic racists", because they speak out against the Hijab and Islamic suppression.

562 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:06:28am

14 days til they tee it up at the Masters. I'm going to soil myself from the suspense.

563 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:06:38am

re: #554 lawhawk

updinged for 'the way he liked it'...nice play on their biggest hit.

564 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:07:01am

re: #544 Aceofwhat?

"blogger" is too complimentary of a term, imho. i have them classified somewhere closer to 'european with internet access in mommy's basement'...it's just a hunch...

I was going to go with "life form that has access to a keyboard and a telephone line', but that was
A) too generous
and
B) too long ( I just got home from a 14 hour overnight shift and I's Tired!!)

565 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:07:18am

re: #555 Alouette

But where will we get enough doctors for the new health care program?

funny, but at the same time, this is one item that the medical profession truly controls. you can't open new med schools without the permission of the medical community. if we ever run low on docs, there will be only be one group to blame...

566 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:08:29am

re: #560 RogueOne

I did this post in honor of you but you weren't here for me to harass:
re: #533 RogueOne

Liberals are dumb. And they stink. (you're trying so hard, I'm starting to feel for you)

567 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:08:29am

re: #561 gegenkritik

Some of my friends were a part of those demonstrations in 1979/80. Today, they are being insulted in Germany by leftists and other Islamophiles as "Islamophobic racists", because they speak out against the Hijab and Islamic suppression.

commending those who stand up for their rights ≠ speaking out against "islamic suppression".

be a friend to logic, and it will be a friend to you.

568 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:09:19am

re: #566 cliffster

Liberals are dumb. And they stink. (you're trying so hard, I'm starting to feel for you)

Thanks man. I'm feeling ornery today for some reason.

569 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:09:58am

re: #568 RogueOne

Thanks man. I'm feeling ornery today for some reason.

ornery or ronery !?!?

Is that you, Lil Kim !?!?!

570 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:10:19am

Markey Received Threats Over Health Care Vote

Caller: 'Better hope I don’t run into you in a dark alley with a knife, a club or a gun'
571 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:11:04am

Let me guess... the shit for brains who pulled this stunt is on Medicare and Social Security both?

572 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:12:00am

re: #563 darthstar

I guess I could have a future as a headline writer for the Daily News or Post. /high expectations, I know...

573 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:12:09am

re: #566 cliffster

Liberals are dumb. And they stink. (you're trying so hard, I'm starting to feel for you)

Hm...you may be right...time for this DFH to jump into the shower.

574 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:13:16am

re: #567 Aceofwhat?

commending those who stand up for their rights ≠ speaking out against "islamic suppression".


As if you little coward knows anything about Islamic suppression. You did not experienced what they did, because you lived your whole life in a free country and can't even imagine what it is like to live under an Islamic regime like the one in Iran.

And now you use freedom which the USA is granting you to bravely fight for the rights of women to be forced under the Hijab, for "Allah" to be saved against evil Calvin pissing on him.

Truely, you are the most courageous freedom-fighter I've ever met.

575 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:13:48am

I watched Modern Family last night for the first time. It's pretty good. Not as funny as other comedies I like. I think I'll watch it again, mainly for Sofía Vergara.

576 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:13:55am

re: #545 RogueOne

Too quiet around here. I've been trying to stir shit but no one's biting.

don't look now, but drcordell and gegentnobody are both here...if you can't make potassium and water react, then your shit-stirring rights will be suspended and possibly revoked...just sayin'/

577 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:13:58am

And speaking of niqabs and burkhas, can you believe the set of balls that the government of the Province of Quebec just grew?
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

578 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:14:24am

re: #575 Mad Al-Jaffee

I watched Modern Family last night for the first time. It's pretty good. Not as funny as other comedies I like. I think I'll watch it again, mainly for Sofía Vergara.

You can't have her ,, shes mine I say ,, ALL MINE!!!

579 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:14:25am

re: #570 Killgore Trout

Markey Received Threats Over Health Care Vote

Perhaps that guy would like this book

580 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:14:59am

re: #578 sattv4u2

You can't have her ,, shes mine I say ,, ALL MINE!!!

She makes me want to move to Colombia. Too bad it's such a dangerous country.

581 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:15:03am

I think it was Freetoken who posted this last night:

Texas: Condemned Man Gets a Stay
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Did you folks know he asked his defense attorney, during the trial, to request the test and his attorney refused? De we also all know his court-appointed attorney was a former prosecutor who had tried him in another case? Sounds a little too coincidental for me.

582 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:15:21am

re: #574 gegenkritik

As if you little coward knows anything about Islamic suppression. You did not experienced what they did, because you lived your whole life in a free country and can't even imagine what it is like to live under an Islamic regime like the one in Iran.

And now you use freedom which the USA is granting you to bravely fight for the rights of women to be forced under the Hijab, for "Allah" to be saved against evil Calvin pissing on him.

Truely, you are the most courageous freedom-fighter I've ever met.

Truly, your capacity for misunderstanding boggles the mind. It staggers the intellect. We should bottle your special power and sell it to Bioware as a "stun" effect...what's the mana drain on your special brand of crazy, by the way?

583 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:15:23am

re: #572 lawhawk

Uh-huh, uh-huh...great...now you've got that song stuck in my head. Thanks a bunch. Fortunately...there is a cure.

(my wife says this to me all the time...and I have to stop and, yes, shake my booty...even in the supermarket).

584 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:15:47am

Regarding the coffin story, one thing I taught my son when he began doing the teen "hanging out" thing at night was you never know who has a gun and you never know how what will make them shoot so don't go TP someones house or be a dick to another guy you just met.

I think it is just asking for trouble when you go onto a man's property with the intent to congregate (prayer session with a coffin) or to vandalize (cut gas line) since you have no idea if that property owner happens to have a gun and he/she/their kid has no idea what you might be up to in the dark.
People have been shot for less.

(Plus these Tea Party folks have now proven themselves to be morons by putting the wrong address out for the more crazy to find)

585 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:16:26am

re: #575 Mad Al-Jaffee

I watched Modern Family last night for the first time. It's pretty good. Not as funny as other comedies I like. I think I'll watch it again, mainly for Sofía Vergara.

Last night was a good episode "you brown people should go back to columbia"

586 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:16:54am

re: #584 webevintage


(Plus these Tea Party folks have now proven themselves to be morons by putting the wrong address out for the more crazy to find)

I think they managed to prove it earlier than yesterday...

587 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:17:23am

re: #574 gegenkritik

As if you little coward knows anything about Islamic suppression
you are the most courageous freedom-fighter I've ever met.

This, from the same person who earlier creied that I was name calling (after, of course, (s)he threw the 1st ad hom!!!))

{sigh}

588 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:17:31am

re: #583 darthstar

Uh-huh, uh-huh...great...now you've got that song stuck in my head. Thanks a bunch. Fortunately...there is a cure.

(my wife says this to me all the time...and I have to stop and, yes, shake my booty...even in the supermarket).


[Video]

dancing in random public places is one of my favorite methods of embarrassing wife, kids, or both. well done.

589 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:18:30am

re: #581 RogueOne

Did you folks know he asked his defense attorney, during the trial, to request the test and his attorney refused? De we also all know his court-appointed attorney was a former prosecutor who had tried him in another case? Sounds a little too coincidental for me.

I'm amazed that a person on death row has to go all the way to the Supreme Court. You would think that a state would want to do everything possible to make sure they are not killing an innocent person.

590 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:18:46am

re: #587 sattv4u2

It's kind of hilarious how off his radar is. He attacks you, me, Ace, Ice, all with the same ferocity. That's a rather broade swathe of personalities and positions.

591 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:19:44am

re: #587 sattv4u2

Just to clarify: I don't "cry" about "name-calling", I was just stunned by your arguments ("STRIKE!") which I could not counter (you are clearly to intelligent and educated for me).

592 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:20:08am

re: #582 Aceofwhat?

Truly, your capacity for misunderstanding boggles the mind. It staggers the intellect. We should bottle your special power and sell it to Bioware as a "stun" effect...what's the mana drain on your special brand of crazy, by the way?

I've seen this before. We had one kid in the neighborhood who insisted on playing tackle football sans helmet
Same kid would also get up to bat and take several right in the head just to get on base!

593 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:20:10am

Ah, this song makes me feel better in these political times....



woot.

594 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:20:50am

re: #575 Mad Al-Jaffee

I watched Modern Family last night for the first time. It's pretty good. Not as funny as other comedies I like. I think I'll watch it again, mainly for Sofía Vergara.

That show has consistently made me laugh; my wife and I watch it on a regular basis. Plus, we're both fans of Phil Dunphy (his part in the remake of "Dawn of the Dead" was great) and think he's a very good character actor. Plus, seeing Ed O'Neil in something other than "Married w/ Children" (yes, I know he's done other stuff) and doing a good job is its own reward.

595 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:21:38am

The archives of the Badass Of The Week blog. Especially pay regard to Aki Ra, a survivor of the Cambodian Holocaust, whose life's work is defusing Cambodia's millions of landmines with a pocketknife and his bare hands.

596 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:22:10am

re: #586 drcordell

I think they managed to prove it earlier than yesterday...

That's ok, I have great news.. democracy just kicked in

597 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:22:22am

I just got Jehovah Witnessed!

I love when they come and I'm still in my PJs and stink because I haven't showered yet.

598 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:22:27am

re: #589 webevintage

I think it's because if the state admits how strong the potential for error is, they can't support the death penalty any more.

That's why George H. Ryan announced a moratorium, and won himself a hell of a lot of respect. Sure, he was corrupt and is in jail now, but he had the balls to take that very necessary action.

599 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:22:31am

re: #590 Obdicut

It's kind of hilarious how off his radar is. He attacks you, me, Ace, Ice, all with the same ferocity. That's a rather broade swathe of personalities and positions.

see 592

600 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:23:38am

re: #590 Obdicut

It's kind of hilarious how off his radar is. He attacks you, me, Ace, Ice, all with the same ferocity. That's a rather broade swathe of personalities and positions.

so true. and with absolutely no apparent self-reflection or awareness of the fact, either. it's almost boring to refute such random mindlessness...what was LVQ's term for the point in a video game where you've overleveled and no longer take any real damage from enemies..."munchkining"?

this is munchkining, to me...

601 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:24:18am

re: #597 Jadespring

I just got Jehovah Witnessed!

I love when they come and I'm still in my PJs and stink because I haven't showered yet.

I am sure my mormon missionaries will be knocking next.

602 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:24:33am

re: #592 sattv4u2

I've seen this before. We had one kid in the neighborhood who insisted on playing tackle football sans helmet
Same kid would also get up to bat and take several right in the head just to get on base!

the Happy Gilmore of blogging, except without an actual latent talent (that we can see from here...)

603 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:24:37am

re: #591 gegenkritik

Just to clarify: I don't "cry" about "name-calling", I was just stunned by your arguments ("STRIKE!") which I could not counter (you are clearly to intelligent and educated for me).

My "arguments" were that you were weighing in on something you admitted from the start you knew nothing about

STRIKE FOUR (very rare)!
NO BALLS

604 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:24:54am

re: #554 lawhawk

Music producer and cofounder of KC and the Sunshine Band admits to having sex with underage boys. He's being held in Ohio on $250,000 bond. It may be the way he likes it, but it's illegal, if the allegations are true.

The lede says he admits to having engaged in sexual acts; his company's website says the allegations are baseless. One of them is not like the other. If the accusations are true, then Finch should go away to prison for a good long time.

Well, if he ends up convicted the new HC bill will give him all the viagra he needs.

605 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:25:13am

re: #597 Jadespring

I just got Jehovah Witnessed!

I love when they come and I'm still in my PJs and stink because I haven't showered yet.

They used to come to my house. Even offered to come over to hold meetings. I told them I worked to much.

606 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:25:37am

re: #597 Jadespring

I just got Jehovah Witnessed!

I love when they come and I'm still in my PJs and stink because I haven't showered yet.

I guess they don't come around in New York City much? When I lived in San Diego they always seemed to be around, but I haven't been solicited once in Manhattan. I guess they just assume we're all godless fornicators?

607 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:26:18am

re: #604 RogueOne

That could be possibly the best campaign commercial of all-time, set to a KC and the sunshine band song. It almost writes itself.

608 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:27:15am

re: #606 drcordell

I guess they don't come around in New York City much? When I lived in San Diego they always seemed to be around, but I haven't been solicited once in Manhattan. I guess they just assume we're all godless fornicators?

well...you are//

609 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:27:26am

re: #606 drcordell

I guess they don't come around in New York City much? When I lived in San Diego they always seemed to be around, but I haven't been solicited once in Manhattan. I guess they just assume we're all godless fornicators?

If god didn't want us to fornicate, he wouldn't have given us genitals.

QED.

610 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:27:45am

OT: This has to be the sexiest domestic car ever built. If they put out anything half as good looking today I'd have to consider buying it.
Image: Pics?v=y&s=c&id=4688&p=1948_NormanETimbs_BuickStreamliner1.jpg

611 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:28:12am

re: #608 Aceofwhat?

well...you are//

No sarc tags necessary. I am most certainly a Godless fornicator in every sense of the word.

612 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:28:28am

re: #601 Oh no...Sand People!

I am sure my mormon missionaries will be knocking next.

I used to get them too. I liked them, they were cool. We'd usually just end up talking about gardening or cooking recipes though.

613 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:28:33am

re: #610 drcordell

OT: This has to be the sexiest domestic car ever built. If they put out anything half as good looking today I'd have to consider buying it.
[Link: www.supercars.net...]

I'd hate to have to change a back tire.

614 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:28:43am

re: #609 MrSilverDragon

If god didn't want us to fornicate, he wouldn't have given us genitals.

QED.

Yeah nature didn't have to tell me twice what they were for...

615 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:29:15am

re: #597 Jadespring

I just got Jehovah Witnessed!

I love when they come and I'm still in my PJs and stink because I haven't showered yet.

Know what you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with a Unitarian? Someone who knocks on your door for no reason.

616 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:29:20am

re: #613 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'd hate to have to change a back tire.

Doesn't look too bad actually, the whole back end flips up on a hinge.
Image: Pics?v=y&s=c&id=4688&p=1948_NormanETimbs_BuickStreamliner3.jpg

617 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:30:24am

re: #609 MrSilverDragon

If god didn't want us to fornicate, he wouldn't have given us genitals.

QED.

If God didn't want us to covet our neighbor's wife, he wouldn't have made our neighbor's wife so hot.

618 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:30:28am

re: #612 Jadespring

I used to get them too. I liked them, they were cool. We'd usually just end up talking about gardening or cooking recipes though.

Not to be bias, but in a marketing sense, we at least have something to offer as opposed to just an opinionated spin to the Bible. We offer the greatest in 'fan fiction'!

heh.

619 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:31:18am

re: #616 drcordell

Doesn't look too bad actually, the whole back end flips up on a hinge.
[Link: www.supercars.net...]

That works. I used to work on a thing called a "power screen." There was a 75 pound panel that had to be removed to get to one of the back tires.

620 laZardo  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:31:40am

re: #597 Jadespring

I just got Jehovah Witnessed!

I love when they come and I'm still in my PJs and stink because I haven't showered yet.

Had this IM buddy a few years ago who came with an innovative solution to driving them off the porch. He doused himself with water, answered the front door dressed only in a towel and, in a very stereotypical gay accent, shouted something like, "Keep your pants on, Gary, I'll be back in a minute!"

621 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:31:48am

re: #577 Spare O'Lake

And speaking of niqabs and burkhas, can you believe the set of balls that the government of the Province of Quebec just grew?
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

It's still just a bill. And it will draw the usual howls from the usual people. But if even Canada is getting uncomfortable, that's certainly news.

622 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:32:27am

re: #606 drcordell

I guess they don't come around in New York City much? When I lived in San Diego they always seemed to be around, but I haven't been solicited once in Manhattan. I guess they just assume we're all godless fornicators?

Their headquarters are just across the river in Brooklyn. As a former JW, I can tell you that one of the problems in cities like NY is the fact that there are many private entrance buildings, where you can't get to each individual "door" simply by walking in. The are enough Witnesses in the NYC area to cover the city easily, they just don't have access.

If you live in a non-gated house of building, you've just been lucky.

623 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:32:54am

re: #611 drcordell

No sarc tags necessary. I am most certainly a Godless fornicator in every sense of the word.

And now that Mandy has changed her offensive (to some) avatar are you going to follow suit seeing yours was
A) a protest to hers
and
B) offensive to some?

((and paranthetically, unlike the posters that hounded Mandy about hers, I shan't be asking again))

624 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:33:01am

re: #577 Spare O'Lake

And speaking of niqabs and burkhas, can you believe the set of balls that the government of the Province of Quebec just grew?
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

From the article:

MONTREAL -- Quebec will refuse all government services, including education and non-emergency health care, to fully veiled Muslim women under legislation tabled on Wednesday in the National Assembly.

Jean Charest, the Liberal Premier, said the bill establishing guidelines for the accommodation of religious minorities is aimed at "drawing a line" to demonstrate that gender equality is a paramount Quebec value.

"If you are someone employed by the state and you deliver a service, you will deliver it with your face uncovered," he told reporters in Quebec City. "If you are a citizen who receives services, you will receive them with your face uncovered."

The bill applies to not only government departments and Crown corporations but hospitals, schools, universities and daycare centres that receive funding from the province.

For a change, I am proud of Quebec and ashamed that it is the only Province of Canada to have taken this giant step for women's rights and gender equality. Let's hope the rest of the country will follow.

625 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:33:32am

huh, who could have seen this coming?

Now That Obama's Signed It, Let's Reform the Reform
[Link: www.thenation.com...]


The core point was that passing the bill needed to be seen as part of a process, not as a finished product.
.....
For all these reasons, we support passage of the bill, even as we urge the progressive community to begin the struggle immediately to correct its many flaws and improve its protections. Some of this can be done quickly, via the reconciliation process. Some of it can and should be done with new legislation, such as robust public option bills by Senator Sherrod Brown and Representative Alan Grayson and proposals to expand Medicare and eliminate the health insurance industry's anti-trust exemption.
......
This reform, while meaningful, is insufficient and must itself be reformed -- or, at the very least, dramatically expanded and improved.

626 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:33:56am

re: #623 sattv4u2

And now that Mandy has changed her offensive (to some) avatar are you going to follow suit seeing yours was
A) a protest to hers
and
B) offensive to some?

((and paranthetically, unlike the posters that hounded Mandy about hers, I shan't be asking again))

John Roberts is a controversial political figure, not a representation of the God prayed to by 25% of the world.

627 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:34:55am

re: #625 RogueOne

huh, who could have seen this coming?

Now That Obama's Signed It, Let's Reform the Reform
[Link: www.thenation.com...]

Makes sense, why rest on your laurels when there is still a lot of work to be done?

628 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:35:08am

re: #606 drcordell

I guess they don't come around in New York City much? When I lived in San Diego they always seemed to be around, but I haven't been solicited once in Manhattan. I guess they just assume we're all godless fornicators?

I dunno. The folks that come here are harmless enough. I don't mind talking to them when I'm in the mood for a chat. At least these ones seem to be able to figure out that when I'm in my PJ's that's not a good time and they aren't pushy. I do find a difference though between these ones and the ones I used to get in the city in terms of aggressivness. I think it's probably due to the small town effect as I'm likely to bump into them on the street or some town function.

629 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:35:20am

re: #626 drcordell

John Roberts is a controversial political figure, not a representation of the God prayed to by 25% of the world.

I see. So if Mandy had kept Calvin but had him pissing on the POTUS,, then ,, ,no problem!?!?!

630 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:35:32am

re: #625 RogueOne

huh, who could have seen this coming?

Now That Obama's Signed It, Let's Reform the Reform
[Link: www.thenation.com...]

or, at the very least, dramatically expanded and improved.

Why do I get the feeling that means 'Tax the hell out of people some more...'?

I hope I am wrong.

631 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:35:34am

Good morning comrades.

I wish we could get some Jehovah's or Mormons. Hell the FedX guy won't com down my road, I gave up on complaining and get everything at the Faciity.

It's lonely here in the Democratic Socialist Republic of Jeffistan. othing but dead animals and small children. This morning my 6 year of found half a bird. Literally, a wing and foot and disemboweled abdomen. The felines are getting feisty.

632 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:35:35am

re: #626 drcordell

John Roberts is a controversial political figure, not a representation of the God prayed to by 25% of the world.

it's disrespectful, hateful, and bordering on a call for violent urinary action. Careful or the SPLC will add you to their list.

633 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:35:41am

How a bill becomes a law

They left out the part about bribes and misleading the public.

634 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:36:08am

Chastity enables the soul to breathe a pure air in the foulest places. Continence makes her strong, no matter in what condition the body may be. Her sway over the senses makes her queenly: her light and peace render her beautiful.
-- Joubert

635 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:36:55am

re: #629 sattv4u2

I see. So if Mandy had kept Calvin but had him pissing on the POTUS,, then ,, ,no problem!?!?!

Yup. Exactly right.

636 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:37:24am

re: #607 RogueOne

That could be possibly the best campaign commercial of all-time, set to a KC and the sunshine band song. It almost writes itself.

They'll have to use Afternoon Delight. I never thought of that song the same way after I saw that Arrested Development episode.

637 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:37:30am

re: #603 sattv4u2
Actually, you insisted that Mandy used the "Calvin pisses on Allah"-Avatar in a different context than Allah being the word for the Muslim-God.

When I asked you to explain the context (because it seems very unlikely to me that Mandy as a Christian would use "Allah" in the same way Arabic Christians do), you countered with your wise "STRIKE!", "ad hominem!" -arguments.
But it's good to see that you actually know some latin-phrases, though I doubt you ever read Schopenhauer Eristische Dialektik, for example.

Anyway, I'll give up. You are to clever for me. Deal?

638 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:37:40am

re: #355 sattv4u2

And now that the offensive avatar has been replaced, 'Cato and the others" have not relented (as FVB pointed out)

Relented?

Mandy herself is still eminently mock-worthy, and I would be remiss if I missed an opportunity.

639 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:37:45am

re: #623 sattv4u2

And now that Mandy has changed her offensive (to some) avatar are you going to follow suit seeing yours was
A) a protest to hers
and
B) offensive to some?

((and paranthetically, unlike the posters that hounded Mandy about hers, I shan't be asking again))

I am. I'm all for pissing on God, but unshaven lesbians really get my gourd. This will not stand.

640 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:37:52am

re: #622 Walter L. Newton

They're actually selling the Watchtower building and several others in the complex next to the Brooklyn Bridge and relocating to a 253 acre compound in Warwick NY (Orange Cty).

641 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:37:53am

re: #630 Oh no...Sand People!

Why do I get the feeling that means 'Tax the hell out of people some more...'?

I hope I am wrong.

From what I have read the main push is to allow people to buy in to Medicare at cost. Doesn't seem like a bad idea at all to me.

642 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:38:06am

Republican establishment springs into action: NRCC On Perriello: He's Not The Victim -- His Constituents Are

Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA) is one of the Democratic lawmakers who has been targeted after the health care vote -- and one Republican group suggests he has only himself to blame for the situation.

National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Andy Sere said that while his organization doesn't condone the actions of the person or people who cut a gas line at Perriello's brother's house (apparently under the impression that the home was the congressman's), Perriello is not the victim.

"Central and Southside Virginians are the ones who are going to have the bear the burden of increased taxes," Sere told The Roanoke Times. "What you're seeing is a frustration among his constituents who believe he's not listening to them."

643 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:38:34am

re: #636 Mad Al-Jaffee

They'll have to use Afternoon Delight. I never thought of that song the same way after I saw that Arrested Development episode.

The "Anchorman" version cracks me up consistently. Especially with the spoken word parts done by Will Farrell (who's usually hit-or-miss with me, but he hit on that one).

644 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:38:34am

re: #638 Cato the Elder

Relented?

Mandy herself is still eminently mock-worthy, and I would be remiss if I missed an opportunity.

Mandy is Sarah Palin?

645 laZardo  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:39:07am

re: #644 Oh no...Sand People!

Mandy is Sarah Palin?

Sarah Palin is just her "public persona."

/braces

646 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:40:07am

re: #604 RogueOne

Well, if he ends up convicted the new HC bill will give him all the viagra he needs.

While watching the Great Republican Temper Tantrum of 2010 I actually thought about that bill and wondered how the hell you would actually implement a law like that.
Would the local pharmacist have to be hook-up to some Federal sex crimes date base?
Would they have to do background check on the old dude at the counter?
Would Dr's. be the gatekeepers?

648 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:40:37am

re: #632 RogueOne

it's disrespectful, hateful, and bordering on a call for violent urinary action. Careful or the SPLC will add you to their list.

Maybe pissing on CJ Roberts turns him on. He is from NEW YORK CITY!!111!

649 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:41:14am

re: #629 sattv4u2

I see. So if Mandy had kept Calvin but had him pissing on the POTUS,, then ,, ,no problem!?!?!

YES! Even if it's a president I like, that's satire. Ham fisted political speech is still free speech. I will go further and point out that toilet humor can't really diminish the dignity of our political system. That Texas representative Gomert(?) who said the only way the health care bill should pass is if you eat it, then pass it - that's just funny. Rachel Maddow agrees with me too, which makes me feel dirty, but my point stands.

650 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:41:15am

re: #639 Jeff In Ohio

I am. I'm all for pissing on God, but unshaven lesbians really get my gourd. This will not stand.

Somehow I don't think they want anything to do with your gourd, ifyouknowwhatImeanandIthinkyoudo.

651 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:41:29am

re: #643 MrSilverDragon

The "Anchorman" version cracks me up consistently. Especially with the spoken word parts done by Will Farrell (who's usually hit-or-miss with me, but he hit on that one).

In the AD episode, a guy and his teenage niece were singing it at a karoake party without realizing what they were singing. Very funny scene, great show.

652 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:41:33am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

McCain said today on the Today show that the rhetoric being tossed around (reload with targets by Palin etc.) was just fine, saw no problem with it.

No walking back on it at all, it represents too much of their base.

653 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:42:06am

re: #637 gegenkritik

Actually, you insisted that Mandy used

Actually,, I never "insisted" nor even inferred any such thing about her thoughts, beliefs OR avatar

Perhaps it was one of the voices you hear that did!

654 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:42:30am
655 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:42:33am

re: #647 Killgore Trout

Despite denouncing threats against Democrats, Fox and Friends broadcast e-mails rationalizing them. (video)

There's a lot of business to be made with the lowest common denominator.

656 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:43:15am

re: #640 lawhawk

They're actually selling the Watchtower building and several others in the complex next to the Brooklyn Bridge and relocating to a 253 acre compound in Warwick NY (Orange Cty).

Really... to the farms... that land up there has always housed farms that provided food from the headquarters... interesting... I was a member back in the 70's.

657 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:43:30am

re: #646 webevintage

unsure but you KNOW it's going to end up in campaign commercials. "Rep. SoandSo voted to give violent sex offenders free viagra".

658 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:44:00am

re: #652 Stanley Sea

McCain said today on the Today show that the rhetoric being tossed around (reload with targets by Palin etc.) was just fine, saw no problem with it.

No walking back on it at all, it represents too much of their base.

The Palin thing is pretty borderline. Normally it would be an issue but in context with the other threats it doesn't look good. I wouldn't consider it an outright threat or intimidation but it is certainly tone deaf.

659 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:44:23am

re: #626 drcordell

John Roberts is a controversial political figure, not a representation of the God prayed to by 25% of the world.

I thought he was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
How about President Obama - isn't he a controversial political figure?

660 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:44:25am

re: #653 sattv4u2
"STRIKE".

661 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:45:09am

I think people need to adjust their sights and check their cache of ideas for another round of political volleys. The ideas being chambered aren't firing very well.

/OMG!!!! He's USING CODE SPEAK!!! (ducks under desk)...

662 laZardo  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:45:13am

Gotta head to bed. Internship in the morning. Nighty.

663 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:45:15am

re: #649 keloyd

YES! Even if it's a president I like, that's satire. Ham fisted political speech is still free speech. I will go further and point out that toilet humor can't really diminish the dignity of our political system. That Texas representative Gomert(?) who said the only way the health care bill should pass is if you eat it, then pass it - that's just funny. Rachel Maddow agrees with me too, which makes me feel dirty, but my point stands.

Now, if I wanted to have an anti-jihad avatar, I'd want one that also twits anti-anti-jihad liberals. Something like this.

664 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:45:20am

re: #656 Walter L. Newton

Really... to the farms... that land up there has always housed farms that provided food from the headquarters... interesting... I was a member back in the 70's.

PIMF "provided food FOR"

665 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:45:39am

re: #659 Spare O'Lake

I thought he was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
How about President Obama - isn't he a controversial political figure?

They both are controversial political figures. Not sure what your point is?

666 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:45:57am

re: #652 Stanley Sea

McCain said today on the Today show that the rhetoric being tossed around (reload with targets by Palin etc.) was just fine, saw no problem with it.

No walking back on it at all, it represents too much of their base.

Yeah. We should all be fearful of language like "that seat is in our crosshairs" or "fire pelosi" because it's an obvious attempt to gin up violence. The fact that those cliches have been used for generations about everything from sports to politics shouldn't keep us from being afraid.

667 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:46:10am

Good morning all!!
Busy day !
So here it is....

Life is hard.
Harder if your stupid!
John Wayne

668 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:47:24am

re: #640 lawhawk

They're actually selling the Watchtower building and several others in the complex next to the Brooklyn Bridge and relocating to a 253 acre compound in Warwick NY (Orange Cty).

I personally love reading the 'Watchtower'. There was an opinion piece on how you should wear a windsor knotted tie, with a brief history of the tie's origins, diagrams on how to tie it, and how a powerful, firm, handshake will enhance your teaching abilities.

I put that info into practice and have a testimony that it is true. heh.

669 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:47:32am

re: #661 Oh no...Sand People!

Oooooh!
A "guns/shooting" reference!
.......Is that a threat???
/

670 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:47:46am

re: #660 gegenkritik

"STRIKE".

Where in there do I say what her avatar, thoughts or beliefs are!?!?!This part it's more than clear that Mandy referred to Allah as the Muslim God was cut and pasted from YOUR #369![Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1st sentence

671 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:48:56am

re: #646 webevintage

Cue sinister music:
"In 2010, Rep. Bob Dobb and his Democrat pals in Congress voted to give boners to pedophiles. Wasn't it enough they forced this great nation down the path of socialism, they now insist all pedophiles have access to government mandated and supported healthcare to maintain their erections. Disgusting, immoral and unAmerican. On Nov. 4th, you have the opportunity to votes this cretin out. ."
Paid For Committee to Form Death Panels For Pedophiles and Give Erections To Congress, Formerly Known As C-Street Christian Fellowship

672 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:49:09am

Sarah Palin said "crosshairs"!! She said "reload"!! She's advocating violence! Everybody run!!!

673 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:49:12am

re: #669 reloadingisnotahobby

Ooooh!
A "guns/shooting" reference!
...Is that a threat???
/

Your avatar is offensive and dangerous, along with your handle. What is this obsession you have with guns?
/

674 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:49:32am

Eric Erickson from Red State....
If King George Will Not Listen . . .

I’ve said for weeks I was a bit fearful of what would happen as a result. I sincerely pray we are not on the cusp of some group of angry and now unhinged mob lashing out at congressmen for a vote in the Congress. But something seems to be brewing and I frankly don’t think the Democrats should at all be surprised. They were and they knew they were playing with fire to advance legislation many Americans see as the undoing of the American Experiment. Some of those Americans will now conclude that, like with the founders, if King George will not listen, King George must be fought.

Acts of violence against congressmen for behaving as congressmen are wholly inexcusable.
...
But let’s not act surprised. The only people surprised by the rage are the ones who refused to venture outside Washington to understand first hand what the voters were actually thinking before congressmen voted.

675 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:49:33am

re: #632 RogueOne

it's disrespectful, hateful, and bordering on a call for violent urinary action. Careful or the SPLC will add you to their list.

disrespectful? yes. hateful? nahh. re: #663 The Sanity Inspector

Now, if I wanted to have an anti-jihad avatar, I'd want one that also twits anti-anti-jihad liberals. Something like this.

Works as anti-hippy too!

/I hate the hippy and all his works.

676 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:50:18am

And on that note ,,,bedtime for me

BBL

677 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:50:39am

re: #650 Cato the Elder

Somehow I don't think they want anything to do with your gourd, ifyouknowwhatImeanandIthinkyoudo.

It's real and it's SPECTACULAR!

678 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:50:57am

re: #668 Oh no...Sand People!

I personally love reading the 'Watchtower'. There was an opinion piece on how you should wear a windsor knotted tie, with a brief history of the tie's origins, diagrams on how to tie it, and how a powerful, firm, handshake will enhance your teaching abilities.

I put that info into practice and have a testimony that it is true. heh.

As an ex-Witness, I can assure you that those articles of that nature are designed to be "non-offensive" on purpose. The concept is if you see an article like that, you will leaf through the magazine and maybe read the articles that are related to the organization.

And I suspect you read that in the "Awake" magazine... "The Watchtower" normally ONLY deals with religious issues. The two magazine look similar.

679 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:51:04am

re: #673 Oh no...Sand People!

"Say hallo tooo my lil friend"....
....You mean like that??

680 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:51:23am

Tea partiers condemn harassment

Well, that sucks for the liberal meme that the leadership is giving their support by looking away.

681 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:51:51am

Pence also said he wanted to beat the democrats. Another obvious attempt at keeping them in their place through the threat of violence.

Pretty soon we're not going to be able to use any word that might, might, somehow be lamely associated with some form of violence or the other. Revolution, Fire, Beat, Win, out, shove, lose, vote, out, and tea are all going to have to be taken out of our vocabulary. Anyone who says they "disagree" are probably threatening me in some way that I haven't figured out yet but I'm still afraid.

682 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:52:06am

re: #672 cliffster

Sarah Palin said "crosshairs"!! She said "reload"!! She's advocating violence! Everybody run!!!

The homecoming queen's got a gun!

683 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:52:53am

re: #674 Killgore Trout

Translation: it's your fault. How often does Eric The Red beat his wife?

684 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:53:01am

re: #680 cliffster

Tea partiers condemn harassment

Well, that sucks for the liberal meme that the leadership is giving their support by looking away.

Doesn't suck at all, it's a good thing.

685 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:53:09am

If you and your family lived in that house and a coffin showed up on the lawn in the current political climate, you would fear for the safety of your family. That is a fact. This was a threat of violence and the guy should be locked up.

686 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:53:15am

re: #674 Killgore Trout

Eric Erickson from Red State...
If King George Will Not Listen . . .

What ever happened to "I have political capital and I intend to spend it"? You lost the Presidency. You lost the House. You lost the Senate. You don't get to set policy now. Fucking deal with it.

In all seriousness though, have the Republicans always been such whiny titty-babies? I wasn't really that politically involved during Clinton's term, so I don't know how that compares to what's going on now. I know they were obstructive, but did they whinge this much too?

687 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:53:17am

re: #670 sattv4u2

Where in there do I say what her avatar, thoughts or beliefs are!?!?!This part it's more than clear that Mandy referred to Allah as the Muslim God was cut and pasted from YOUR #369![Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1st sentence

using logic against them is like trying to stab a ghost...

688 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:53:20am

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

"Watchtower" always makes me think of Dylan and Hendrix.

689 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:53:54am

re: #670 sattv4u2

There's only one way she used the word Allah - as a word for the Islamic god. You doubt that this is clear, so I ask you to explain other meanings which would make sense in this context.

Obviously, you are not able to explain such ones, but since you can't admit that you posted Bullshit, you threw around your "STRIKES!".

690 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:54:04am

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

As an ex-Witness, I can assure you that those articles of that nature are designed to be "non-offensive" on purpose. The concept is if you see an article like that, you will leaf through the magazine and maybe read the articles that are related to the organization.

And I suspect you read that in the "Awake" magazine... "The Watchtower" normally ONLY deals with religious issues. The two magazine look similar.

Yeah, it was a fluff piece. But, hmm, I think you are right that it was "Awake", but I do love reading over the doctrine as well. In the world of pretend and myth I like to compare my Fighter Jet / Space Ship on Steroids to the Lada's and Moskviches in the industry.

691 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:54:07am

re: #681 RogueOne

...Like an Aluminium bat that say's
..."THIS COMING"...!
As in "You've got this coming"!
I get it!

692 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:55:02am

re: #666 RogueOne

Yeah. We should all be fearful of language like "that seat is in our crosshairs" or "fire pelosi" because it's an obvious attempt to gin up violence. The fact that those cliches have been used for generations about everything from sports to politics shouldn't keep us from being afraid.

not obvious to me. A few nuts on the fringe of the teabag crowd have gotten out of line and are being roundly denounces by Republicans. Even now, their actions are nowhere near Tim-McVeigh bad, just criminal mischief. All politicians use military imagery, and 'targeting' your competition is used all the time, in and out of politics, as a metaphor. Caribou Barbie is many tawdry things, but she is not the sort to make 'an obvious attempt to gin up violence.' We're getting too over-sensitive as a result of a few nuts. Every Republican adult in charge has denounced this nonsense. Boehner is doing it on MSNBC live right now.

693 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:55:28am

re: #685 im_gumby_damnit

If you and your family lived in that house and a coffin showed up on the lawn in the current political climate, you would fear for the safety of your family. That is a fact. This was a threat of violence and the guy should be locked up.

Oh please. It was a baby coffin and they were praying. Terrifying, I know. It's called hyperbole and symbolism. If that's all it takes to make him wet himself then he needs to find another job. You can't write a sports column without getting death threats and he thinks he's somehow special and immune?

694 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:55:41am

re: #684 Stanley Sea

Doesn't suck at all, it's a good thing.

It's bullshit. They all give a nice soundbite saying they aren't advocating violence then say that it's justified because the radical socialist agenda is driving wingnuts so insane that they become violent. They don't get it yet.

695 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:56:08am

Needs a little something...

re: #671 Jeff In Ohio

Cue sinister music: Cue rippling, slow motion black and white footage of Bob Dobb:"In 2010, Rep. Bob Dobb and his Democrat pals in Congress voted to give boners to pedophiles. Wasn't it enough they forced this great nation down the path of socialism, they now insist all pedophiles have access to government mandated and supported healthcare to maintain their erections. Disgusting, immoral and unAmerican. Cut to bright colorful footage of happy children romping at a birthday party. On Nov. 4th, you have the opportunity to votes this cretin out. ."
Paid For Committee to Form Death Panels For Pedophiles and Give Erections To Congress, Formerly Known As C-Street Christian Fellowship

696 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:56:47am

re: #693 RogueOne

Oh please. It was a baby coffin and they were praying. Terrifying, I know. It's called hyperbole and symbolism. If that's all it takes to make him wet himself then he needs to find another job. You can't write a sports column without getting death threats and he thinks he's somehow special and immune?

Yeah, in the context of death threats being phoned into Democratic offices all across the country. In the context of a Congressman's brothers house having the gas line cut after his address was published on the internet. You wouldn't feel the least bit worried knowing that the lunatic fringe has your home address?

697 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:57:00am

re: #692 keloyd

not obvious to me. A few nuts on the fringe of the teabag crowd have gotten out of line and are being roundly denounces by Republicans. Even now, their actions are nowhere near Tim-McVeigh bad, just criminal mischief. All politicians use military imagery, and 'targeting' your competition is used all the time, in and out of politics, as a metaphor. Caribou Barbie is many tawdry things, but she is not the sort to make 'an obvious attempt to gin up violence.' We're getting too over-sensitive as a result of a few nuts. Every Republican adult in charge has denounced this nonsense. Boehner is doing it on MSNBC live right now.

That's because he is just a part of the system holding us down along with the others!

/tinfoil hat off...

698 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:57:06am

re: #692 keloyd

Agree wholly. I was being sarcastic. The only time I use the tags is if I'm harassing someone and I want them to understand I'm not really being hateful.

699 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:58:04am

re: #693 RogueOne

Oh please. It was a baby coffin and they were praying. Terrifying, I know. It's called hyperbole and symbolism.

Nothing a simple garden hose would'nt have fixed.

700 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:58:31am

re: #665 drcordell

They both are controversial political figures. Not sure what your point is?

Obama, Pelosi, Wright, all pissable.
The Pope is also a controversial political (and religious) figure.
So is the Dalai Lama.
So is the Chief Rabbi of Israel.
So is Mohammed.
So is Jesus.
All are fair game, correct?

701 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:59:11am

re: #690 Oh no...Sand People!

Yeah, it was a fluff piece. But, hmm, I think you are right that it was "Awake", but I do love reading over the doctrine as well. In the world of pretend and myth I like to compare my Fighter Jet / Space Ship on Steroids to the Lada's and Moskviches in the industry.

Careful... doctrinally, on common theological issues like "immortal soul," "hell," "the Trinity" stuff like that, they are more in tune with the 1st century "church" then most contemporary sects. But other than that, they are a re-socializing organization, much like Scientology, with oppressive control of members and the have an "end of the world" doctrine that is even more extreme than standard Christianity.

702 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:59:17am

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

As an ex-Witness, I can assure you that those articles of that nature are designed to be "non-offensive" on purpose. The concept is if you see an article like that, you will leaf through the magazine and maybe read the articles that are related to the organization.

And I suspect you read that in the "Awake" magazine... "The Watchtower" normally ONLY deals with religious issues. The two magazine look similar.

Yeah the Watchtower I just got is all about Jesus and his death (that time of year) and Awake covers, time mgt, chimpanzees, the Amazon, Mont Blanc and a piece of examples of where scientists and engineers have taken design cues from animals, like the kingfishers beak and air resistance used in designing a Japanese bullet train.

703 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:59:44am

I denounce all violent actions against congress persons, unless they are drunk, attacking me, and it's self defense.

704 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:00:27am

re: #694 Killgore Trout

It's bullshit. They all give a nice soundbite saying they aren't advocating violence then say that it's justified because the radical socialist agenda is driving wingnuts so insane that they become violent. They don't get it yet.

Exactly. They condemn the violent acts in the context of describing the legislation as tyrannical, unconstitutional, full of death panels, going to kill your grandmother, etc. They are between a rock and a hard place now because they have spent the last year whipping up the lunatics to such a fever pitch that they can't back down. Any GOP member who says ANYTHING the least bit supportive of the legislation has to walk back their comments immediately.

They are stuck screaming REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL until 2010 because of their crazed base. Once you convince your voters that Obama is BlackHitlerStalinMao, you very well can't say you struck a compromise with him.

705 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:00:35am

re: #620 laZardo

My stumbled upon solution to the monthly visits was hanging a small Chinese good-luck token in my front door window. (Stylized dog head, or something like that?) It appears that declared me as some sort of unrecoverable heathen and they stopped ringing my doorbell.

706 unsavoryagent  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:01:07am

Anybody have a link to a picture of the coffin?

707 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:01:15am

re: #701 Walter L. Newton

Careful... doctrinally, on common theological issues like "immortal soul," "hell," "the Trinity" stuff like that, they are more in tune with the 1st century "church" then most contemporary sects. But other than that, they are a re-socializing organization, much like Scientology, with oppressive control of members and the have an "end of the world" doctrine that is even more extreme than standard Christianity.

Immortal Soul: Check
"Hell": Check
"teh GodJesusGhost" No

2 out of 3 aint bad.

708 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:01:19am

re: #703 Oh no...Sand People!

I denounce all violent actions against congress persons, unless they are drunk, attacking me, and it's self defense.

Hrmm... you must have talked to Joe Biden recently.

709 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:01:24am

re: #688 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Watchtower" always makes me think of Dylan and Hendrix.

You may enjoy this, then:

710 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:01:45am

re: #702 Jadespring

Yeah the Watchtower I just got is all about Jesus and his death (that time of year) and Awake covers, time mgt, chimpanzees, the Amazon, Mont Blanc and a piece of examples of where scientists and engineers have taken design cues from animals, like the kingfishers beak and air resistance used in designing a Japanese bullet train.

Nothing about the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

711 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:01:47am

re: #696 drcordell

Yeah, in the context of death threats being phoned into Democratic offices all across the country. In the context of a Congressman's brothers house having the gas line cut after his address was published on the internet. You wouldn't feel the least bit worried knowing that the lunatic fringe has your home address?

Having people pray for me makes me nervous since I'm not sure to whom they're praying. No, I think carnahann needs to stop acting like a little girl and take his lumps. He wants all the praise of voting for the most controversial spending bill in generations but he doesn't want anyone to say anything that might be off-putting.

Someone vandalized a guys bbq grill, that's only a hanging offense in texas.

People are getting all wound up on both sides of the issue and everyone seems to think we're on the brink of a genocide because a grill was damaged.

712 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:02:02am

re: #703 Oh no...Sand People!
Separately ..or at one time?

713 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:02:23am

re: #708 MrSilverDragon

Hrmm... you must have talked to Joe Biden recently.

Yes, it was big f**king deal.
/

714 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:02:35am

re: #700 Spare O'Lake

Obama, Pelosi, Wright, all pissable.
The Pope is also a controversial political (and religious) figure.
So is the Dalai Lama.
So is the Chief Rabbi of Israel.
So is Mohammed.
So is Jesus.
All are fair game, correct?

In my opinion, any elected official is fair game. The pope, not elected democratically, not a political figure, revered as a holy man by millions. Not fair game. The same goes with Mohammed, Jesus, etc.

I have no problem with anyone publicly publishing pictures of Mohammed being peed on. I have no problem with anyone publicly publishing pictures of Jesus being peed on. But in the forums here, I think it's wholly appropriate to limit avatars that denigrate anyone's faith.

715 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:03:01am

Liberal bloggers continue to mislead.

Fox News rationalizes violence

Except they didn't - they broadcast emails and explained why the emails are incorrect. It's bad enough that they opportunistically latch onto the stories of threats like vultures. Then they falsify conservative reaction to it.

716 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:03:05am

re: #710 Mad Al-Jaffee

Nothing about the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

No. :) There's a little blurby on a cloned camel though.

717 jaunte  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:03:12am

re: #706 unsavoryagent

It's in the link up top.

718 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:04:00am

re: #688 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Watchtower" always makes me think of Dylan and Hendrix.

Or Battlestar Galactica...

719 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:04:19am

Need food, bbiab.

720 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:04:33am

Breaking News: Afikomen found after 46 years

When bereaved of one’s parents, a person typically experiences great shock. But when Eli Shorowitz lost his mother nothing could’ve shocked him more than what he uncovered while clearing out the family home. When he removed the painting above the fireplace, out fell the afikomen he never found 46 years ago.

Out fell the afikomen he never found 46 years ago.

“This has driven me nuts!” said Shorowitz. “I knew it had to be here somewhere.”(Source: Aish.com)


Chag Sameach!

721 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:04:41am

re: #712 reloadingisnotahobby

Separately ..or at one time?

If separately, just the 'drunk' would cause me to lose against such overwhelming numbers. Though a strong, awesome specimen of humanity, I would lose after beating the barflies and drunks of the house and halfway through the senate.

722 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:04:47am

re: #703 Oh no...Sand People!

I denounce all violent actions against congress persons, unless they are drunk, attacking me, and it's self defense.

Ah, but what if it's one congressman attacking another? If you dis Senator Preston Brooks with your avatar, that's a beatin.

723 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #711 RogueOne

Having people pray for me makes me nervous since I'm not sure to whom they're praying. No, I think carnahann needs to stop acting like a little girl and take his lumps. He wants all the praise of voting for the most controversial spending bill in generations but he doesn't want anyone to say anything that might be off-putting.

I might be more sympathetic for the protesters if they weren't so fucking ignorant. This healthcare bill is SO anti-abortion that feminist groups are up in arms at the Obama administration over it.

There is absolutely no federal funding for abortions to the point where women who want abortion coverage have to seek a special abortion coverage rider that they must pay for out of their own pockets, with no federal dollars even allowed to pay for a subsidy. How the fuck can anyone who has actually read the bill think it has government funding for abortion?

724 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:05:48am

re: #720 Stuart Leviton

I wonder what he won.

725 unsavoryagent  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:05:55am

re: #717 jaunte

It's in the link up top.

Not the bogus Gateway Pundit coffin, the one that was left on Carnahan's lawn.

726 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:06:00am

Walter, what is the general JW stance around creationism?

727 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:06:33am

re: #723 drcordell

I might be more sympathetic for the protesters if they weren't so fucking ignorant. This healthcare bill is SO anti-abortion that feminist groups are up in arms at the Obama administration over it.

There is absolutely no federal funding for abortions to the point where women who want abortion coverage have to seek a special abortion coverage rider that they must pay for out of their own pockets, with no federal dollars even allowed to pay for a subsidy. How the fuck can anyone who has actually read the bill think it has government funding for abortion?

You want them to read the bill?

That is unrealistic. If you saw their signs, you would realize that their written language skills are not up to the task.

728 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:06:52am

re: #723 drcordell

I might be more sympathetic for the protesters if they weren't so fucking ignorant. This healthcare bill is SO anti-abortion that feminist groups are up in arms at the Obama administration over it.

There is absolutely no federal funding for abortions to the point where women who want abortion coverage have to seek a special abortion coverage rider that they must pay for out of their own pockets, with no federal dollars even allowed to pay for a subsidy. How the fuck can anyone who has actually read the bill think it has government funding for abortion?

I've been looking for some articles or positions from feminist groups in regards to this bill and the lack of abortion coverage, can you link me to some?

729 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:07:24am

re: #722 keloyd

Ah, but what if it's one congressman attacking another? If you dis Senator Preston Brooks with your avatar, that's a beatin.

That reminds me of Andrew Jackson..and others.

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

730 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:07:36am

re: #709 The Sanity Inspector

At work, no YouTube for me.

731 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:07:58am

re: #723 drcordell


How the fuck can anyone who has actually read the bill think it has government funding for abortion?


The same way they can read the bill and think there's Death Panels. Wingnuts are intentionally ignorant. The either can't find the bill and when they can they refuse to understand what it says. It's a cultivated ignorance required to be a wingnut these days.

732 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:07:59am

re: #715 cliffster

Liberal bloggers continue to mislead.

Fox News rationalizes violence

Except they didn't - they broadcast emails and explained why the emails are incorrect. It's bad enough that they opportunistically latch onto the stories of threats like vultures. Then they falsify conservative reaction to it.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Watch the video chief.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Steve Doocy: "So why are people angry? Maybe because they didn't want this bill."

Yeah, that sounds like a REAL strong rebuke of the violence...

733 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:08:14am

re: #726 Jadespring

Walter, what is the general JW stance around creationism?

G-d created everything at some point, they are not young-creationist though.

734 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:08:57am

re: #693 RogueOne

Oh please. It was a baby coffin and they were praying. Terrifying, I know. It's called hyperbole and symbolism. If that's all it takes to make him wet himself then he needs to find another job. You can't write a sports column without getting death threats and he thinks he's somehow special and immune?

So if some folks showed up on your property at night after you had gotten a few deaths threats you would not think there might be a bit more to it then a "baby coffin and prayer"?
Was he even home or was it just his wife and kids?

And you are right.
It is hyperbole and symbolism and is perfectly fine in DC or at a Congress Critter's local office....not at their home.
(and yes I mean that for anyone. I don't like anyone protesting outside the homes of anyone since that involves families and neighbors.)

735 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:10:28am

re: #728 Walter L. Newton

I've been looking for some articles or positions from feminist groups in regards to this bill and the lack of abortion coverage, can you link me to some?

Here's an article in the Boston Globe about the abortion restrictions.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

736 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:10:45am

Ooops, gotta go change the radio station. The oldies ended and Limbaugh came on. He's blaming the left for creating an atmosphere of violence.

737 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:11:25am

re: #733 Walter L. Newton

G-d created everything at some point, they are not young-creationist though.

So does evolutionary theory fit in somewhere or is it ID like. Just asking because at the end of the blurby on the Kingfisher and bullet train the question is posed. "What do you think? Did the kingfisher's beak come about by chance? Or was it designed?

738 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:11:33am

re: #736 wrenchwench

Ooops, gotta go change the radio station. The oldies ended and Limbaugh came on. He's blaming the left for creating an atmosphere of violence.

Because they are and it's opposite day today and left means right...right?

739 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:12:12am

re: #674 Killgore Trout

Typical denial of accountability.

740 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:12:17am

re: #736 wrenchwench

Ooops, gotta go change the radio station. The oldies ended and Limbaugh came on. He's blaming the left for creating an atmosphere of violence.

Does Rush think women who get raped are asking for it too....

741 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:13:08am

re: #728 Walter L. Newton

I've been looking for some articles or positions from feminist groups in regards to this bill and the lack of abortion coverage, can you link me to some?

Here's Katha Pollitt in The Nation, with her wish list for the pro-choice lobby, since they quit the field so that the reform could pass.

742 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:13:24am

re: #740 webevintage

Does Rush think women who get raped are asking for it too...

If he does then he is no better than the Islamists and some fundamental Christian groups. But I am not sure if he would go that far...but maybe he would.

743 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:13:28am

re: #701 Walter L. Newton

The denial of children to every single social celebration at school is very sad. They suffer, therefore they are pious./

744 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:13:44am

I wonder* how many threats a congressman gets in a typical week vs. this week. It would be a perfect illustration of media bias (left bias as well as the much larger bias toward the sky is falling) if they got 10 a week all the time, then got 11 this week. I just always thought big shot officials had security and nuts going after them all the time. The general public in real life is not like the general public on the Andy Griffith Show.

*not an endorsement of wingnuts, not an assertion in the form of a question.

745 unsavoryagent  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:14:34am

OK, I've looked around, there were obviously two coffins.

746 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:14:42am

re: #744 keloyd

I wonder* how many threats a congressman gets in a typical week vs. this week. It would be a perfect illustration of media bias (left bias as well as the much larger bias toward the sky is falling) if they got 10 a week all the time, then got 11 this week. I just always thought big shot officials had security and nuts going after them all the time. The general public in real life is not like the general public on the Andy Griffith Show.

*not an endorsement of wingnuts, not an assertion in the form of a question.

And you are basing your assertions on nothing but... the facts that you found "between these two pillows"?

747 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:15:52am

re: #732 drcordell

Thinkprogress throws out a steady stream of misinformation and liberal wingnuts gobble it up like bees and nectar. If you can't see how they were lying about that video, I'm neither surprised nor am I going to try and explain it to you.

748 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:15:53am

re: #746 drcordell

And you are basing your assertions on nothing but... the facts that you found "between these two pillows"?

A Planes, Trains, and Automobile reference. That's like...two funnies this fiscal quarter! You are on a roll Doc.

749 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:16:10am

re: #746 drcordell

they're very warm pillows.

750 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:16:47am

re: #747 cliffster

Thinkprogress throws out a steady stream of misinformation and liberal wingnuts gobble it up like bees and nectar. If you can't see how they were lying about that video, I'm neither surprised nor am I going to try and explain it to you.

So you're telling me that Steve Doocy didn't say that quote? It's right there in the video. You think it's doctored?

751 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:16:48am

re: #746 drcordell

And you are basing your assertions on nothing but... the facts that you found "between these two pillows"?

THOSE AREN'T PILLOWS!

752 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:19:43am

re: #740 webevintage

Does Rush think women who get raped are asking for it too...

Wait, I thought that was O'Reilly.

753 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:20:30am

I would like to remind my fellow lizards that the tone in the country is largely set at the top.

754 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:20:32am

Bye all.

755 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:20:37am

re: #752 JasonA

Wait, I thought that was O'Reilly.

It could be.
After awhile all the talking head conservative douchbags begin to look and sound the same.

756 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:20:48am

re: #737 Jadespring

So does evolutionary theory fit in somewhere or is it ID like. Just asking because at the end of the blurby on the Kingfisher and bullet train the question is posed. "What do you think? Did the kingfisher's beak come about by chance? Or was it designed?

They are old-earth creationist... they don't believe in evolution.

757 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:21:44am

re: #746 drcordell

And you are basing your assertions on nothing but... the facts that you found "between these two pillows"?

So are you saying congressman usually don't get death threats? Common sense would tell me they have whack jobs threatening their lives fairly often. I don't think you need a source for that just more than empty space between your ears.

758 Cineaste  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:22:01am

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

This ain't October, and it's a safe bet that Hoft and Carnahan ain't buddies with a "Goth" bent.

Innocent prayer vigil my ass. Creepy death-cultists is more like it.

Absolutely! There's another group of people who like to march around with coffins...

Image: yassin_coffin,0.jpg

759 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:23:12am

A columnist at The Progressive magazine disapproves of Ann Coulter being shouted down at the U. of Ottawa.

760 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:23:55am

re: #755 webevintage

It could be.
After awhile all the talking head conservative douchbags begin to look and sound the same.

Every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at 2 in the morning

761 _remembertonyc  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:24:16am

Eric Cantor breathes fire after his office in Richmond was shot at.

762 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:26:05am

We need a center party, to set the extremists adrift.

763 avanti  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:26:22am

Republican congressman Eric Cantor shot at, according to Fox.He just held a press announcement blaming the Dems for ratcheting up the rhetoric.

764 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:26:42am

Anytime a group of nutballs like this hold a public prayer session to pray for the soul of their oppoistion, it freaks the shit out of me quite frankly.

765 Cineaste  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:27:11am

re: #11 Bagua

A perfectly innocent political statement, no worse than burning a cross on his front lawn, or leaving a noose hanging from the tree.

The right wing is defending threats of violence explicitly by saying "hey, they're just threats..."

Check this out from Powerline:

We condemn political violence in virtually all circumstances; certainly in all circumstances that could arise in our democracy. Threats of violence, sadly, are not uncommon in politics; let alone "harassment." Even insignificant conservatives like us have been threatened with violence on several occasions, and the linked article notes that Jim Bunning received threats after he temporarily held up the extension of unemployment benefits a few weeks ago.

The current threats (assuming they are real, as I assume some of them are) are being played up in the press because the Democrats want to dampen the anger that has erupted over their adoption of a government medicine program through a series of legislative maneuvers that are in some respects unprecedented.

[snip]

As for the threats, we will take them more seriously if they result in the cancellation of a public appearance by a liberal due to security concerns. But that never happens to liberals, only to conservatives. It happened again last night. That was in Canada, of course; the home of government medicine and little regard for free speech. No coincidence, that.

Didn't Coulter cancel because she didn't like that there would be protestors at her event, not that her life was threatened?

766 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:27:40am

re: #764 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anytime a group of nutballs like this hold a public prayer session to pray for the soul of their oppoistion, it freaks the shit out of me quite frankly.

Seems so passive-aggressive to me.

767 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:27:42am

Like I said above.
This shit needs to just stop.

768 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:29:29am

re: #767 webevintage

Like I said above.
This shit needs to just stop.

I don't think it's going to stop and I wish the Obama administration would do something about it.

769 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:29:46am

re: #767 webevintage

IMHO to stop it we need a viable center party in the USA.

770 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:29:51am

It's getting really creepy. Gonna get worse before it gets better.

771 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:30:22am

re: #723 drcordell

I might be more sympathetic for the protesters if they weren't so fucking ignorant. This healthcare bill is SO anti-abortion that feminist groups are up in arms at the Obama administration over it.

There is absolutely no federal funding for abortions to the point where women who want abortion coverage have to seek a special abortion coverage rider that they must pay for out of their own pockets, with no federal dollars even allowed to pay for a subsidy. How the fuck can anyone who has actually read the bill think it has government funding for abortion?

That's a perfectly legitimate argument even though I'm not sure I agree and since the president felt it necessary to sign an executive order there was obviously some disagreement on a number sides.

What bothers me about this whole "OMG, they're going to kill us alllll!" is my belief that it is an attempt to shut down dissent. We elect and pay citizens to go to washington and make the tough choices. They have to expect that not everyone is going to agree with their votes. If they're too afraid to take angry phone calls then they need to find another job.

772 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:31:09am

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

It would be difficult for the O. Admin to do something effective w/o apologizing for "bitter clingers" etc.

773 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:31:27am

Rep. Cantor's Richmond Campaign Office Shot at Overnight

"Fox News has also obtained a threatening message left Friday on the voicemail of Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio."

Well, that's no fun.

774 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:31:56am

re: #772 Ojoe

It would be difficult for the O. Admin to do something effective w/o apologizing for "bitter clingers" etc.

What?

775 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:32:02am

How to Treat Allies, by Max Boot

I was struck by this Wall Street Journal article today, which reports on the visit to the United States of Pakistan’s foreign minister and military chief of staff:

The top U.S. foreign-policy officials gave their Pakistani counterparts a full public embrace Wednesday, even as some senior Obama administration officials say they still need to be convinced that Islamabad is fully committed to eradicating Islamic militants based in the tribal regions bordering Afghanistan.

The public praise from the U.S., made as part of high-level bilateral talks at the State Department and in Capitol Hill testimony, acknowledged some continuing differences. But the praise was otherwise almost unreserved—highlighting how central gaining Pakistani cooperation has become to the administration’s highest-risk foreign policy challenges.

Now that’s how you are supposed to treat allies: praise in public, pressure in private.

Consider, by contrast, the treatment now being meted out to Israel, which is being publicly condemned by senior administration officials, and whose prime minister was hustled out of an Oval Office meeting without even a photo-op or a word of praise from the president — the kind of treatment afforded to disreputable Third World dictators rather than to the duly elected leader of one of our closest allies.

The contrast is all the more striking because Pakistan has been a greater thorn in our side than Israel could ever be.

776 sffilk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:32:19am

By the way, I checked the original link, and there was a link to a second, etc., and what Hoft is saying that Carnahan is lying about is that the coffin was left on the lawn.

777 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:33:05am

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

I don't think it's going to stop and I wish the Obama administration would do something about it.

What is he supposed to do that won't further rile these people?

778 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:33:20am

re: #771 RogueOne


What bothers me about this whole "OMG, they're going to kill us alll!" is my belief that it is an attempt to shut down dissent. We elect and pay citizens to go to washington and make the tough choices. They have to expect that not everyone is going to agree with their votes. If they're too afraid to take angry phone calls then they need to find another job.


There is nothing wrong with civil dissent, but there is no reason for dissent that uses violent rhetoric.
There is a difference between "angry phone calls" and having people show up on your property where your family lives after you may have gotten "angry phone calls" that might suggest ways you can die.

779 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:33:21am

re: #774 Walter L. Newton

Any tone usually comes from the top.

780 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:33:27am

re: #763 avanti

Republican congressman Eric Cantor shot at, according to Fox.He just held a press announcement blaming the Dems for ratcheting up the rhetoric.

I was just about to post that:

[Link: www.alan.com...]


FOXWIRE: FOX has learned that the Richmond, VA campaign office of House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) was shot at overnight.

Cantor, is the highest-elected Jewish official in the country and the only Jewish Republican in the House.

Now, if the republicans have to come out and denounce the tea party because someone vandalized a grill....what are we going to make the dems come out and denounce? Obviously the proponents of the HCR want us all dead, right?

781 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:33:37am

re: #765 Cineaste

Didn't Coulter cancel because she didn't like that there would be protestors at her event, not that her life was threatened?

No, protesters are like wallpaper to her, they're everywhere she goes.

Anyhone notice all the Palestinian keffiyehs being worn by the protesting students?

782 unsavoryagent  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:34:01am

re: #776 sffilk

By the way, I checked the original link, and there was a link to a second, etc., and what Hoft is saying that Carnahan is lying about is that the coffin was left on the lawn.

That's what I saw. Surely the Carnahan people have a picture or something. Seems to me the two coffin stories are unrelated.

783 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:35:02am

re: #779 Ojoe

Any tone usually comes from the top.

So what "tone" is Obama using that is making people crazy?

784 joest73  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:35:30am

The stunt seemed to be nothing more than a prayer vigil. What is getting
worrisome is the constant need to try to group either side with the fring kooks
that make the most noise. I wouldn't lump the average Democrat in with people that protested against Bush and Cheney with "Kill signs".

I wonder what the reaction will be on the other side if the Repubs win back Congress and don't fund Obamacare?

785 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:35:43am

re: #778 webevintage

There is nothing wrong with civil dissent, but there is no reason for dissent that uses violent rhetoric.
There is a difference between "angry phone calls" and having people show up on your property where your family lives after you may have gotten "angry phone calls" that might suggest ways you can die.

When we stretch out the term "violent rhetoric" to include things like the word "fire" then it is, IMO, an attempt to shut down dissent. They're playing this up for all it's worth for a reason, what reason could there be other than to shut up people who disagree?

786 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:35:53am

re: #777 JasonA

What is he supposed to do that won't further rile these people?

You're asking me? So, what do we do? Let these people shut down the country, cause senators and house members and other public officials to cower in their offices and personal hovels. Are you giving in already. Are we going to let the conservatives change law by violent upheaval. The administration has options to prevent this.

787 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:36:26am

re: #763 avanti

Republican congressman Eric Cantor shot at, according to Fox.He just held a press announcement blaming the Dems for ratcheting up the rhetoric.

His campaign office was shot at. Not him personally.

Big difference, not that shots fired at a campaign office is acceptable at all... but let's keep our facts straight.

788 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:37:08am

re: #786 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, options like giving the Congressmen more protection, like they're doing.

789 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:37:25am

re: #785 RogueOne

exactly right. Milking it for all it's worth. Pretty sad.

790 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:37:29am

re: #783 webevintage

This goes way back to his campaign & "typical white person" and "bitter clingers" and stuff like that. Some people remember that stuff with a vengeance. I thought at the time that Obama should have profoundly apologized for that kind of stuff.

791 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:37:47am

re: #781 The Sanity Inspector

No, protesters are like wallpaper to her, they're everywhere she goes.

Anyhone notice all the Palestinian keffiyehs being worn by the protesting students?

There's so much more to the story then just what the first reports came out with 'threats from protesters shut down talks'. 24 hour rule and all that. Lots of fun hinky stuff as well as facts and indiscrepensies are pieced together.

792 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:37:51am

From the Hot Air Green Room: The Revolutionary War wasn’t fought for much more than this

The Revolutionary War wasn’t fought for much more than this. The American people are angry — furious, in fact. They’ve been steadily fighting this bill for the past year. They’ve made their voices heard. It couldn’t have been more obvious if it had bit the Democrats on their collective noses. Yet Democrats passed it anyways. They completely ignored the will of the constituents they are elected to serve. Did they really expect that there would be no consequences? Actions bring results, and they aren’t always good. You take an angry populace who is begging you to listen to them, and then do the exact opposite of what they want, and you’re just asking for trouble. It’s to be expected that a few people are going to go off the deep end. And yes, those people should be punished. But come on, Dems — you gotta realize, you reap what you sow. Not too long ago, citizens of the British empire were overtaxed and living under tyranny. It didn’t take much more of a spark to set off a war. Democrats seem to be emulating the British tyranny now. Another revolution isn’t the answer, but like I said — actions have consequences. You cannot trample the rights of the American people without some pushback.

This is a lesson to be learned by Democrats, not by tea partiers or conservatives or Republicans. They wrought this hell upon the country, and eventually, they’re going to have to pay… although hopefully, it will be in a non-violent manner which consists of voting their sorry asses out of office in November.

793 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:39:17am

re: #775 Joo-LiZ

How to Treat Allies, by Max Boot

It is vre: #790 Ojoe

This goes way back to his campaign & "typical white person" and "bitter clingers" and stuff like that. Some people remember that stuff with a vengeance. I thought at the time that Obama should have profoundly apologized for that kind of stuff.

He did not apologize for it because that is what he believes about the citizens of the fly over states. It was just a little glimpse into his thought process.

794 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:39:30am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

1st comment...


I concur with this post, but I can’t help but wonder if it will be removed. There was a similar post up a two hours ago, and when I logged in to comment, it was gone.

KinleyArdal on March 25, 2010 at 12:09 PM

ED and AP are furiously deleting articles advocating violence and armed revolution. Good luck with that.

795 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:39:54am

re: #793 Lateralis

Was I meant to be replied to there?

796 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:39:57am

From today's NYT:

House of Anger
By TIMOTHY EGAN


Unfairly or not, the defining images of opposition to health care reform may end up being those rage-filled partisans with spittle on their lips. Whether the outbursts came from inside Congress — the “baby killer” shout of Rep. Randy Neugebauer, and his colleagues who cheered on hecklers — or outside, where protesters hurled vile names against elected representatives, they are powerful and lasting scenes of a democracy gasping for dignity.

Now, ask yourself a question: can you imagine Ronald Reagan anywhere in those pictures? Or anywhere in those politics? Reagan was all about sunny optimism, and at times bipartisan bonhomie. In him, the American people saw their better half.
The Republican Party has taken some of the worst elements of Tea Party anger and incorporated them into its own identity.

Compare that to the closing days of a week that will soon be chiseled into the larger American story. One Democrat, Rep. Ciro Rodriguez, said he was called a “wetback” by Tea Party hecklers at a meeting a few days before the vote. Black members of Congress say they were spat on, and called racial epithets. Bricks were thrown through the office windows of two other Democrats. And now, the inevitable death threats.

From the leader of the opposition, at least, was expected a level of decorum. But instead, Rep. John Boehner, the Republican who wants to be the next speaker of the House, predicted “Armageddon,” and shouted “Hell, no!,” his perma-tan turning crimson in rage.

Most of these vignettes are isolated incidents — a few crazies going off in a vein-popping binge. But the Republican Party now has taken some of the worst elements of Tea Party anger and incorporated them into its own identity. They are ticked off, red-faced, frothing — and these are the men in suits.

In trying to explain his intemperate shout over a bill that in fact explicitly outlaws using public funds for abortion, Congressman Neugebauer said he was representing the views of people back home in Texas, as expressed in town hall meetings. By this logic, he’d throw his popcorn on somebody’s head if enough people did it in movie theaters in his district.

“Let’s beat the other side to a pulp!” Rep. Steve King, Republican of Iowa, shouted to the last stand of Tea Partiers on Sunday night. “Let’s chase them down! There’s going to be a reckoning.”

Indeed there will. But as the party of the hissy fit, Republicans are playing with fire.

On Monday morning, most Americans awoke with some relief that the epic battle was over. Then, they tried to figure out what health care overhaul would mean to them. They found out that insurance companies would no longer be allowed to drop people if they get sick. They saw that older children could stay on their insurance through age 26. And the elderly, the most consistent voting block, discovered that the new law would gradually end a prescription drug donut hole that causes many of them to cut their pills in half to get through a month.

No death panels. No socialized public option. No forcing people to change doctors or providers. And the most contentious part of the new law — requiring nearly everyone to get health coverage or pay a fine — does not kick in until 2014.

Little wonder then, as the focus turned away from legislators cutting deals to a new law of the land that tries to help average people, the polls showed public sentiment starting to shift. Armageddon was nowhere to be seen.

(con't in next post...)

797 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:40:00am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

From the Hot Air Green Room: The Revolutionary War wasn’t fought for much more than this

Kookoo.

798 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:40:28am

re: #794 Killgore Trout

2nd comment....


As an additional, I would point out that, at the time of the Revolutionary War, I daresay that many criticized Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, et cetera, and called for them to be punished ‘to the fullest extent of the law’.

Two hundred years later, they are regarded as heroes. Time has a way of distilling the noise and smokescreens out of the actions of people who, at the time, were denounced as madmen and insurrectionists, but were actually quite reasonable people who recognized tyranny and went J.L. Picard on their would-be masters.

KinleyArdal on March 25, 2010 at 12:13 PM


Freedom fighters!

799 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:40:41am

(con't from prior post)

The stock market ticked up Monday and Tuesday, continuing an upward run of more than 40 percent in the broader S&P index since Obama became president, including the best first year of the market for any president since Franklin Roosevelt. (The shares of some big insurance stocks fell).

A USA Today/Gallup poll showed a plurality now favored the new law — yes, favored. After months of Republicans saying Democrats were going against the will of the people, a plurality — 49 to 40 percent — said passing the bill was “a good thing,” the poll found.

Of course, public sentiment is a fickle thing. And no one can predict whether health care overhaul will work for most Americans, or add to the distrust people already have for the ruling and business classes.

But it’s always better to be building something than destroying it. John McCain had a positive campaign slogan in 2008 — “Country First.” This week, he vowed “no cooperation for the rest of the year.” This is an adolescent living in the shell of a former statesman.

He took his position, he said, using the same justification as the Texan who yelled “baby killer,” because “the American people are very angry.”

Having welcomed Tea Party rage into their home, and vowing repeal, the Republicans have made a dangerous bargain. First, they are tying their fate to a fringe, one that includes a small faction of overt racists and unstable people. The Quinnipiac poll this week found only 13 percent of Americans say they are part of the Tea Party movement.

But consider the policy positions. Do Republicans really want to campaign in favor of insurance companies’ right to drop people when they get sick? Do they really want to knock the 25-year-old graduate student, living on Top Ramen and hope, off his parents’ health care? Are they going to deny tax credits for small businesses?

It was the ancient Greeks who gave us a sense of what Republicans will be living with under this pact with rage. Many people are afraid of the dark, the saying goes. But the real tragedy is those who are afraid of the light.

800 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:40:42am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

From the Hot Air Green Room: The Revolutionary War wasn’t fought for much more than this

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That reminds me of a funny Cracked article:
5 Reasons The Founding Fathers Were Kind Of Dicks

801 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:40:46am

re: #788 JasonA

Yeah, options like giving the Congressmen more protection, like they're doing.

This would be a good opportunity for the administration to shut these people down. There are enough laws to stop these people from doing what they are doing, both local laws and federal laws.

802 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:41:18am

re: #800 JasonA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That reminds me of a funny Cracked article:
5 Reasons The Founding Fathers Were Kind Of Dicks

Ha!

803 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:41:24am

re: #798 Killgore Trout

2nd comment...


Freedom fighters!

WOLVERINES!!11!

804 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:41:58am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

From the Hot Air Green Room: The Revolutionary War wasn’t fought for much more than this

They forget that we didn't elect the British parliament or the British king that enacted those tax increases and that this is the first time Congress passed something that wasn't popular. Didn't see these folks complaining when Bush needed Cheney to break the Senate tie for his tax cuts but I guess a slim majority passing is only a bad thing when your opponents do it.

805 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:42:06am

re: #795 Joo-LiZ

Was I meant to be replied to there?

Sorry no.

806 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:42:19am

two days ago: hey obama we have guns and we know how to use em


today: no real tea partier would ever threaten violence, this is a liberal conspiracy

807 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:43:15am

Sweet. Why all the violence? Yahoo has the answer

808 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:43:24am

re: #798 Killgore Trout

2nd comment...

Freedom fighters!

Conversely, many people considered brilliant and clear thinking by their contemporaries, time has proven were utter and complete morons.

809 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:43:32am

re: #801 Walter L. Newton

This would be a good opportunity for the administration to shut these people down. There are enough laws to stop these people from doing what they are doing, both local laws and federal laws.

Shut down whom? Sure, they have to arrest the people making direct threats and whatnot, but going too far risks fanning the flames even higher.

810 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:43:50am

re: #806 SpaceJesus

two days ago: hey obama we have guns and we know how to use em

today: no real tea partier would ever threaten violence, this is a liberal conspiracy

Oh you know it's just Dems trying to make tea partiers and Republicans look bad. Like I have nothing better to do with my time than to do that.

811 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:44:17am

re: #806 SpaceJesus

two days ago: hey obama we have guns and we know how to use em

today: no real tea partier would ever threaten violence, this is a liberal conspiracy

So it's a tea-partier shooting up republican offices? you certain of that?

812 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:45:02am

re: #809 JasonA

Shut down whom? Sure, they have to arrest the people making direct threats and whatnot, but going too far risks fanning the flames even higher.

Shut down the Tea Parties.

813 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:45:05am

re: #736 wrenchwench

Ooops, gotta go change the radio station. The oldies ended and Limbaugh came on. He's blaming the left for creating an atmosphere of violence.

I just read some posts upthread (posted last night after I faded and logged off) about listening to Limbaugh while going under anesthesia, and how terrifying that would be. I thought, hmm, that would be the only way to listen to Limbaugh, while passed out.

I'm a conservative who has never liked the man. I tried listening to him ages ago when told a person has to be longtime listener to gain appreciation for his humor and wisdom. Nope. Back in the 90s I said he was divisive, and he continues to be. In search of redeeming qualities, I've heard a few things he said that I liked, but he does far more harm than good.

814 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:45:45am

I don't remember who it was said it...

but don't you sometimes think the US would be much better off if the whole country had one big yoga session to let out some of that steam?

815 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:45:50am

Sure enough, here come the people defending this threatening stunt.

Wonderful.

816 joest73  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:45:55am

re: #773 cliffster

Rep. Cantor's Richmond Campaign Office Shot at Overnight

"Fox News has also obtained a threatening message left Friday on the voicemail of Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio."

Well, that's no fun.

I wonder if Rachel Maddow will include this in her show tonight. She started last night with such disgust that she had to talk about violence against Dems. I bet she will leave out the stuff that is happening against the Repubs. There are equal amounts of crazies on both sides.

817 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:46:16am

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

What should he do, Walter?

818 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:46:23am

re: #812 Walter L. Newton

Shut down the Tea Parties.

Wow. That's, that's a really bad idea that only makes things much worse.

819 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:46:36am

re: #800 JasonA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That reminds me of a funny Cracked article:
5 Reasons The Founding Fathers Were Kind Of Dicks

Just rereading that.

820 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:46:47am

re: #817 prairiefire

What should he do, Walter?

Shut down the Tea Parties.

821 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:46:57am

The only shots fired have been against republicans. The worst so far on the opposite side is a damaged grill and exuberant praying. Can we now go on to explain how the dems are fanning the flames of violence and all the whack-o's are coming out of the woodwork in support of their HC plan?

Turn-about is fair play, right?

822 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:47:08am

re: #811 RogueOne

So it's a tea-partier shooting up republican offices? you certain of that?

what

823 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:47:36am

re: #819 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just rereading that.

I love me some Cracked. They have damn good articles.

824 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:47:47am

banapult in position

825 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:47:48am

re: #822 SpaceJesus

what

Shots fired at Eric Cantor's (Republican Whip) campaign office in Virginia.

826 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:48:15am

re: #816 joest73

I wonder if Rachel Maddow will include this in her show tonight. She started last night with such disgust that she had to talk about violence against Dems. I bet she will leave out the stuff that is happening against the Repubs. There are equal amounts of crazies on both sides.

And I call bull shit.
I bet you the internet that not only will she mention it she will decry it...after making fun of Scott Brown a bit more.

(and yes there are crazy people on both sides, just lately the loudest have been yelling "death panels" and calling for a revolution because of HCR of all things.)

827 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:48:24am

re: #825 Joo-LiZ

Shots fired at Eric Cantor's (Republican Whip) campaign office in Virginia.

i dont recall ever saying that was a tea party person

828 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:49:05am

re: #820 Walter L. Newton

So he should tell Dick Armey to stop funding them and Mr. Armey will do it.....Because? If he did not comply Pres. Obama would seize his bank funds, how?
Mr. Armey would file a law suit very quickly.

829 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:49:27am

re: #827 SpaceJesus

i dont recall ever saying that was a tea party person

It was sarcasm, sorry for the confusion.

830 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:49:46am

re: #827 SpaceJesus

i dont recall ever saying that was a tea party person

Ah, I didn't really follow the chain of responses. I thought "what" meant you hadn't heard of the incident yet.

Ignore me.

831 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:50:25am

re: #823 JasonA

I love me some Cracked. They have damn good articles.

A Journey Through the Healthcare Apocalypse With Glenn Beck

It is the year 2020, and Obamacare has made the world a very different place. It is this distorted realm that our protagonist finds himself unwittingly, kind of awkwardly and very drunkenly thrust into. After having fallen asleep in the year 2010 and, possibly due to some sort of top secret army experiment in cryogenics (but far more likely due to passing out in that meat locker), he has become frozen in time and arisen 10 years hence to find the America he once knew “hanging by a thread.” Let this tale serve as a warning of things to come:

832 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:50:26am

re: #830 Joo-LiZ


no, thanks for that, i hadn't heard the story yet actually

833 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:51:27am

re: #821 RogueOne

Haven't there actually been shots fired at democrats?

834 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:52:13am

re: #821 RogueOne

The only shots fired have been against republicans. The worst so far on the opposite side is a damaged grill and exuberant praying. Can we now go on to explain how the dems are fanning the flames of violence and all the whack-o's are coming out of the woodwork in support of their HC plan?

Turn-about is fair play, right?

Well, one way to handle it would be to act like right wingers have been acting.

It's a tea partier trying to divert attention.

It's not so bad. Only one shot at an empty office.

This is really terrible. BUT we should understand why people can get this angry. Because they're really really angry out there, and it's understandable that some of them are going to act on it.

How do we know Cantor didn't shoot up his own office?

Et cetera.

835 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:52:32am

I don't know who is more likely to shoot at Rep Cantor's office ... a deranged leftist, a domestic islamist, or an antisemitic right wing kook.

836 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:52:58am

Wocka Wocka Wocka

837 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:52:59am

re: #833 cliffster

Haven't there actually been shots fired at democrats?

The worst I've read is the bricks through windows. Still wrong but not as wrong as taking shots.

838 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:53:40am

re: #835 _RememberTonyC

33.3% chance each.

839 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:53:46am

re: #834 Charles

Good sarcasm always deserves a +1.

840 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:54:07am

re: #831 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Jesus, I wound up in Baltimore,”

lmao

841 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:55:29am

re: #821 RogueOne

The only shots fired have been against republicans. The worst so far on the opposite side is a damaged grill and exuberant praying. Can we now go on to explain how the dems are fanning the flames of violence and all the whack-o's are coming out of the woodwork in support of their HC plan?

Turn-about is fair play, right?

"exuberant praying"=trespassing and intimidation
"damaged grill" = trespassing and vandalisim and intent to do harm

and yes, please explain how the Dems are fanning the flames.

842 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:56:36am

re: #823 JasonA

I love me some Cracked. They have damn good articles.

But damn poor editing. The "most bad-ass American Presidents" was a case in point. They couldn't even keep their centuries straight.

843 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:57:00am

Another perspective on Country First...

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

844 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:57:17am

Democrats' health care overhaul (including the still-pending reconciliation bill) nearing the finish line would apply a 3.8% Medicare tax on investment gains earned by upper-income households starting in 2013. Along with a partial expiration of 2003 tax cuts at year-end, rates on long-term capital gains and dividends are due to jump in two steps from 15% to 23.8%.

in a couple of years, the heats gonna get turned up on upper income earners...stealing from Peter to pay Paul with Medicare...continuous rise in premiums...oh my...and people are pissed off now...raising taxes on capital gains is theivery imo...how soon before estate taxes go up again?

[Link: www.investors.com...]

845 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:58:24am

re: #840 JasonA

“Jesus, I wound up in Baltimore,”

lmao

"The entire world seemed to pause at that moment: The conservative masses held their breath, yearning for the least excuse to unleash some grand moment of violence for reasons they no longer fully understood. The democrats stood before me, their circle of oppression wanting to violate me with their filthy health care. The tension was rivaled only by the silence; all awaiting my response.

“What will you do?” asked Beck at last.

“I’m sorry,” I coughed, clearing my throat and addressing each side in turn, “it seems like you’re both just fighting at this point because you’re supposed to be fighting. Ultimately, I doubt my day-to-day life will be all that affected regardless of what happens. ”

“But… the oppression!” cried Limbaugh from behind me.

“But… the greater good!” Maddow hissed in front of me.

“If I had it my way, I’d bring us back to the time where your vote and your policies were a private matter that you didn’t talk about in public because it was considered rude,” I replied."

846 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:58:34am

re: #838 prairiefire

33.3% chance each.


I'd say:
40% chance it's a deranged leftist
5% chance it's a domestic islamist
50% chance it's a right wing antisemitic kook
5% chance it's someone else

if it was a domestic islamist, they wouldn't waste a bullet on a warning shot ...

847 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:58:39am

From CNN

He also accused Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine and Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland - a member of the Democratic House leadership - of "fanning the flames" of violence by using threats that have been made against Democratic members "as political weapons."

Democrats are absolutely using the threats as political weapons. The people throwing bricks and phoning in threats are complete jackasses. Why is that being seen as an opportunity?

848 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:58:58am

re: #842 Cato the Elder

But damn poor editing. The "most bad-ass American Presidents" was a case in point. They couldn't even keep their centuries straight.

Not to mention putting JFK on that list. Oy.

849 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:59:23am

re: #844 albusteve

Democrats' health care overhaul (including the still-pending reconciliation bill) nearing the finish line would apply a 3.8% Medicare tax on investment gains earned by upper-income households starting in 2013. Along with a partial expiration of 2003 tax cuts at year-end, rates on long-term capital gains and dividends are due to jump in two steps from 15% to 23.8%.

in a couple of years, the heats gonna get turned up on upper income earners...stealing from Peter to pay Paul with Medicare...continuous rise in premiums...oh my...and people are pissed off now...raising taxes on capital gains is theivery imo...how soon before estate taxes go up again?

[Link: www.investors.com...]

Even worse, I hear the Dems are going to tax ellipses. That'll sting.

850 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:59:54am

re: #837 RogueOne

The worst I've read is the bricks through windows. Still wrong but not as wrong as taking shots.

throwing bricks through my window is assault and I'd be very likely to breakout my scatter gun and defend my property

851 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:00:49am

re: #847 cliffster

From CNN

Democrats are absolutely using the threats as political weapons. The people throwing bricks and phoning in threats are complete jackasses. Why is that being seen as an opportunity?

You are right. It is absolutely unfair of then to point out that their opponents are behaving like jackasses.

852 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:01:42am

re: #848 JasonA

Not to mention putting JFK on that list. Oy.

Well, given that he probably would have shagged Cindy Sheehan on a dare, I'd say he earned it.

853 American-African  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:01:43am

re: #834 Charles

Well, one way to handle it would be to act like right wingers have been acting.

It's a tea partier trying to divert attention.

It's not so bad. Only one shot at an empty office.

This is really terrible. BUT we should understand why people can get this angry. Because they're really really angry out there, and it's understandable that some of them are going to act on it.

How do we know Cantor didn't shoot up his own office?

Et cetera.

"I've received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my positions, but because i am Jewish," Cantor said.

I may be wrong, but perhaps he did not go public with this because it could likely be some neo nazi responsible and they are not all that left leaning.

854 Cineaste  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:01:45am

re: #793 Lateralis

He did not apologize for it because that is what he believes about the citizens of the fly over states. It was just a little glimpse into his thought process.

Was there something atypical about his grandma?

855 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:02:11am

re: #845 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“I’m sorry,” I coughed, clearing my throat and addressing each side in turn, “it seems like you’re both just fighting at this point because you’re supposed to be fighting. Ultimately, I doubt my day-to-day life will be all that affected regardless of what happens. ”

Kind of like in this Daily Show clip with Mick Foley. If you get bored skip to the middle when Wyatt Cenac shows up. Classic stuff.

856 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:02:31am

re: #851 garhighway

You are right. It is absolutely unfair of then to point out that their opponents are behaving like jackasses.

+1 upding.

857 Cineaste  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:03:17am

re: #798 Killgore Trout

2nd comment...


Freedom fighters!

"We demand our freedom from the people elected by the majority! Tyranny!"

I feel like people don't understand basic civics anymore.

858 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:03:38am

re: #856 Lidane

+1 upding.

You could do more than +1 if you wanted? What are you, special?

859 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:04:15am

re: #857 Cineaste

"We demand our freedom from the people elected by the majority! Tyranny!"

I feel like people don't understand basic civics anymore.

Majority think government poses threat to citizens' rights

860 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:04:25am

re: #857 Cineaste

I feel like people don't understand basic civics anymore.

They're getting their civics textbooks from Texas. Or they're children that were left behind when NCLB passed. =P

861 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:04:38am

re: #853 American-African

"I've received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my positions, but because i am Jewish," Cantor said.

I may be wrong, but perhaps he did not go public with this because it could likely be some neo nazi responsible and they are not all that left leaning.

very possible, but if you're right, Cantor is going to look bad for calling out Kaine and VanHolland

862 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:04:51am

Maybe both sides should listen to Cantor:
"Enough is enough," Cantor said. "It has to stop."

Just stop.
No one gets to try and do the "well your side is worse" political points.
All threats, gun signs and violence directed at gov't officals is denounced evenly.

863 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:05:03am

re: #844 albusteve

Estate taxes rise to pre-Bush era levels in 2011 along with the rest of the Bush era tax cuts (without action by Congress to amend those acts and tax rates). That's due to the expiration of the EGTRRA/JGTRRA Acts of 2001 and 2003.

As a result of the HCR, taxes on investments and dividends will rise.

Wealthier Americans — families making over $250,000, individuals $200,000 — are the supposed targets here. Add in the new 3.8 percent Medicare tax to the year-end expiration of the 2003 Bush tax cuts, and they will see their capital gains and dividend rates will soar from 15 percent currently to 23.8 percent and 43.4 percent in 2013, respectively. But the income levels aren’t indexed for inflation. So the taxes will reach further down the income ladder each year. Assuming steady inflation, the tax in 2013 will actually affect households making over $226,000 and individuals $183,000. Another crack in the Obama tax pledge.

Mind you, that this is based on the same assumptions used by the CBO - that the rates will not be changed and the income levels will not be adjusted for inflation. If we take that into account (as is done with the AMT on an annual basis), the amount of revenues garnered from these taxes will be less than projected and result in a shortfall in revenues to these programs.

864 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:05:34am

re: #858 Cato the Elder

You could do more than +1 if you wanted? What are you, special?

Nah. Just haven't had enough caffeine yet. Gimme about an hour and I'll be on a much clearer path to giving out up and down dings. Heh.

865 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:05:38am

re: #862 webevintage

Maybe both sides should listen to Cantor:
"Enough is enough," Cantor said. "It has to stop."

Just stop.
No one gets to try and do the "well your side is worse" political points.
All threats, gun signs and violence directed at gov't officals is denounced evenly.

count me in

866 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:06:32am

re: #862 webevintage

Maybe both sides should listen to Cantor:
"Enough is enough," Cantor said. "It has to stop."

Just stop.
No one gets to try and do the "well your side is worse" political points.
All threats, gun signs and violence directed at gov't officals is denounced evenly.

That's my hope. It seems like whenever someone does something shitty in politics. The partisans on both sides will justify by saying well your side did so and so. No side is completely guilty or innocent here. I just want it all to just stop.

867 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:06:44am

re: #841 webevintage

"exuberant praying"=trespassing and intimidation
"damaged grill" = trespassing and vandalisim and intent to do harm

and yes, please explain how the Dems are fanning the flames.

It's called sarcasm! I don't think they are anymore than I think Cantor had this coming. I'm the anti-chicken little I don't think the sky is falling down because the HCR passed and some people are pissed about it.

Politicians should be used to getting nasty messages from constituents, I don't think any of this is out of the ordinary for public officials. Without knowing for sure I'd bet Charles gets just as many nasty emails and threats for writing a Blog and he's not even a public figure. I don't know why our reps think they're somehow different than everyone else and deserve to be shown nothing but love even if people strongly disagree with their votes.

868 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:07:19am

re: #841 webevintage

"exuberant praying"

You have to admit, that is a funny line.

869 Cineaste  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:07:51am

re: #821 RogueOne

Can we now go on to explain how the dems are fanning the flames of violence

Sure.

*crickets*

870 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:09:24am

re: #862 webevintage

Maybe both sides should listen to Cantor:
"Enough is enough," Cantor said. "It has to stop."

Just stop.
No one gets to try and do the "well your side is worse" political points.
All threats, gun signs and violence directed at gov't officals is denounced evenly.

I hear someone fired a shot at his office. And apparently Mean Jean Schmidt got a nasty phone message as well. Either they're feeling left out with all the Democrats getting attention for having people break their windows, put coffins on their lawns, and cutting their family members' gas lines, and want some sympathy since they voted against HCR, or the beast they helped feed and nurture into the monster it now is doesn't care what party you're in, as all politicians look alike to them.

Either way, I agree...this needs to stop before someone gets killed.

871 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:09:54am

re: #859 cliffster

It's called sarcasm!

Sorry then, I guess my sarcasm meter must be off....
I thought you were saying that those acts are no big deal and that Congressmen who might have gotten spooked were big pussies who should have expected things like this and if they can't take it they might want to find another job.
My bad if I was mistaken.

872 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:10:18am

re: #867 RogueOne

Without knowing for sure I'd bet Charles gets just as many nasty emails and threats for writing a Blog and he's not even a public figure. I don't know why our reps think they're somehow different than everyone else and deserve to be shown nothing but love even if people strongly disagree with their votes.

No. Actual death threats like the ones Rep. Slaughter received are very rare. I get plenty of hate mail but very few real threats.

873 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:10:30am

LGF is suddenly very slow to respond. Maybe I should re-start my browser.

874 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:10:57am

re: #863 lawhawk

thanks for that...nobody seems to talk about inflation, combined with a steady high unemployment rate...what we need is private money pumped back into the economy and these taxes exactly prevent that

875 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:13:32am

re: #821 RogueOne

The only shots fired have been against republicans. The worst so far on the opposite side is a damaged grill and exuberant praying. Can we now go on to explain how the dems are fanning the flames of violence and all the whack-o's are coming out of the woodwork in support of their HC plan?

Turn-about is fair play, right?

Those darn pacifists and their guns.
/

876 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:13:54am

re: #873 RogueOne

LGF is suddenly very slow to respond. Maybe I should re-start my browser.

same here

877 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:13:57am

re: #871 webevintage

Sorry then, I guess my sarcasm meter must be off...
I thought you were saying that those acts are no big deal and that Congressmen who might have gotten spooked were big pussies who should have expected things like this and if they can't take it they might want to find another job.
My bad if I was mistaken.

You just completely misquoted me. what the fuck?

878 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:14:43am

re: #866 HappyWarrior

That's my hope. It seems like whenever someone does something shitty in politics. The partisans on both sides will justify by saying well your side did so and so. No side is completely guilty or innocent here. I just want it all to just stop.

Agreed.

There are nutjobs on both sides, but that doesn't excuse behavior like this. If a teabagger type puts a coffin on someone's front lawn or throws bricks through a window or whatever, it's not immediately absolved because some left-wing jackass did this, that, or the other when Bush was in office. BOTH actions are equally wrong, and both should be equally condemned.

If it's getting to the point where even Republicans like Cantor are in the crosshairs (literally, it seems), then that should be a wake up call to the GOP that maybe all their apocalyptic rhetoric about HCR needs to be toned down and that the people doing shit like this need to be called out instead of going to their rallies to give speeches or rationalizing their behavior as legitimate anger because it happened to a Democrat.

It's too late to put the tea party genie back into the bottle, but it's not too late for someone to act like a statesman and demand a return to civility before someone takes a shot at an office that's actually open for business, or worse.

879 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:15:36am

re: #753 Ojoe

I would like to remind my fellow lizards that the tone in the country is largely set at the top.

I am most of the way finished with the recent Andrew Jackson bio and have arrived at the part detailing the founding of the American Whig party...made me think of you!

880 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:15:40am

Featured story in the latest email from GOPUSA is that the liberal media is trying to "taint" the Tea Parties by playing up stories like this, after giving the moonbats a free pass while Bush was in office.

Yes, the media did give the moonbats a free pass. But the Tea Parties are tainting themselves. They are the ones providing the ammunition to the media. They are shooting themselves in the foot. They seem to think that since the moonbats did it, it's OK for them to do it too. So much for the concept of taking the high road. Jerry Springer-style politics is so much more fun. Brings in better ratings for Fox and Rush, too!

881 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:16:43am

Whoa, that was weird.

re: #859 cliffster

It's called sarcasm!

Sorry then, I guess my sarcasm meter must be off....
I thought you were saying that those acts are no big deal and that Congressmen who might have gotten spooked were big pussies who should have expected things like this and if they can't take it they might want to find another job.
My bad if I was mistaken.

and I have a feeling that if Charles was getting death threats and then folks showed up on his lawn or his home was vandalized he might get a bit concerned.

882 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:16:48am

re: #871 webevintage

Sorry then, I guess my sarcasm meter must be off...
I thought you were saying that those acts are no big deal and that Congressmen who might have gotten spooked were big pussies who should have expected things like this and if they can't take it they might want to find another job.
My bad if I was mistaken.

You just completely misquoted me. what the fuck?

883 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:18:45am

re: #872 Charles

No. Actual death threats like the ones Rep. Slaughter received are very rare. I get plenty of hate mail but very few real threats.

That surprises me, a good surprise I mean. I don't put a whole lot of faith in my fellow man and with all the over-the-top vitriol thrown your way I expected it to be a fairly common occurrence.

884 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:19:09am

Rep. Charlie Rangel's constituents tell congressman to keep tax advice to himself

perfect example of what's wrong with congress...this guy has gall now

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

885 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:20:04am

re: #881 webevintage

My #859 did not say that at all. You quoted me and then put completely different words in there.

886 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:20:13am

re: #872 Charles

No. Actual death threats like the ones Rep. Slaughter received are very rare. I get plenty of hate mail but very few real threats.

I worry less about the people who make death threats ( they've blown off their steam with a piss poor decision ) than I am the people who read about the death threats and think, "You know, I could do something about this baby killer." Fortunately, Roeder isn't getting any holidays from jail...but there are more of his ilk running around wondering how they can get in on the action.

887 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:20:19am

re: #868 RogueOne

You have to admit, that is a funny line.

Yes.
Yes I do.

888 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:22:01am

We need more funding for civics classes in high school.

The first ammendment has never extended to death threats.

889 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:22:05am

re: #885 cliffster

My #859 did not say that at all. You quoted me and then put completely different words in there.

What is up?
That was supposed to be a response to Rogue's #867.
burps?

so yeah, sorry....

890 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:23:02am

re: #889 webevintage

What is up?
That was supposed to be a response to Rogue's #867.
burps?

so yeah, sorry...

Pretty weird

891 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:23:21am

Can we get a troll in here, please? It's past lunchtime and I don't feel like going out.

But not one of those squishy ones like Dingleberry last night. I want one of those old-fashioned Scythian warrior-trolls that put up a real fight and then make a meal for a century of Lizards.

892 avanti  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:24:02am

Watching the Fox financial channel as the market pushes the 11,000 mark and heard a new conspiracy. They were discussing the possibility that the government was secretly buying stock to inflate the market. I guess they are confused by the Armageddon delay, and the drop in gold prices.

893 unsavoryagent  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:24:14am

I still cant find a picture of the other coffin, the one that they left on the lawn, anybody got that one? I'm curious if it's a baby coffin or full size or what.

894 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:24:17am

NRCC defends the gas-line cutters

National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Andy Sere said that while his organization doesn't condone the actions of the person or people who cut a gas line at Perriello's brother's house (apparently under the impression that the home was the congressman's), Perriello is not the victim.

"Central and Southside Virginians are the ones who are going to have the bear the burden of increased taxes," Sere told The Roanoke Times. "What you're seeing is a frustration among his constituents who believe he's not listening to them."

895 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:24:52am

re: #892 avanti

Watching the Fox financial channel as the market pushes the 11,000 mark and heard a new conspiracy. They were discussing the possibility that the government was secretly buying stock to inflate the market. I guess they are confused by the Armageddon delay, and the drop in gold prices.

Fox is laughable.

896 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:25:45am

I love how the Cantor office shooting is now the #1 headline on Fox. And Cantor is trying to blame the Democrats for "ratcheting up the rhetoric." Riiiiight.

897 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:25:52am

re: #892 avanti

Watching the Fox financial channel as the market pushes the 11,000 mark and heard a new conspiracy. They were discussing the possibility that the government was secretly buying stock to inflate the market. I guess they are confused by the Armageddon delay, and the drop in gold prices.

I've been saying this since it passed, now is the time to buy HC stock or anything closely related. This bill was a boon to the HC/Pharm industry. Buy now while the buying is good.

898 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:26:06am

re: #892 avanti

Watching the Fox financial channel as the market pushes the 11,000 mark and heard a new conspiracy. They were discussing the possibility that the government was secretly buying stock to inflate the market. I guess they are confused by the Armageddon delay, and the drop in gold prices.

I was just eyeballing that 11,000 mark. Funny, I never thought once that it was being manipulated by a sekrit socialist hamster cabal. Wow, what are they on crack or something?

899 scogind  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:26:34am

I guess if they couldn't pray him to death they could use the coffin as a club and just beat him to death with it!

900 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:26:38am

March 25, 2010
Average cost of sheltering a single homeless family in D.C.: $2,500-$3,700 a month

the price of a swank condo in DC...

Read more: [Link: dailycaller.com...]


your tax dollars at work

901 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:26:53am

re: #892 avanti

Watching the Fox financial channel as the market pushes the 11,000 mark and heard a new conspiracy. They were discussing the possibility that the government was secretly buying stock to inflate the market. I guess they are confused by the Armageddon delay, and the drop in gold prices.

Wait, this was said on Fox Business Channel?

902 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:28:21am

re: #898 Gus 802

Thought of your avatar when I saw this story this morning:
[Link: sgvtribune.mycapture.com...]

Rough night of flying?

903 Girth  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:28:22am

re: #892 avanti

Watching the Fox financial channel as the market pushes the 11,000 mark and heard a new conspiracy. They were discussing the possibility that the government was secretly buying stock to inflate the market. I guess they are confused by the Armageddon delay, and the drop in gold prices.

It will please me on several levels if the economy comes roaring back and HCR actually works well. I might start watching FNC again for pure entertainment value. Something tells me that if the Dow topped 15k and Obama gets a second term then Hannity might not be able to muster that shit-eating grin of his very often.

904 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:28:36am

re: #898 Gus 802

Nah..It's the double sekrit hamster cabal run by da ebil zionist entity

905 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:29:21am

re: #812 Walter L. Newton

Shut down the Tea Parties.

Very bad idea. First - they've got the right to assemble and free speech. Second - tea party rallies are great sources of information...and entertainment.

906 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:29:34am

re: #894 darthstar

NRCC defends the gas-line cutters

Right. Because being frustrated is an excuse.

My Senators are Cornyn and Hutchison. Every time I've written Cornyn to voice my opinion on something, I've ended up receiving a form letter response and finding myself signed up for mailing lists that I don't want to be on. I *know* I'm being ignored, but I keep writing anyway, since I think it's important.

Feeling like you're not being listened to is no excuse for taking a shot at someone's window, cutting their brother's gas line, throwing bricks at their offices, or putting a coffin on their front lawn. If you think it IS an excuse for that behavior, you're just an asshole with an over-inflated sense of entitlement.

907 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:30:29am

re: #892 avanti

I haven't seen any of their financial programming network - but if it's as blinkered as the tripe on "cashin in" and Cavuto - the entire network will be *reds under the bed* garbage.

CNBC has some grown up programming - the documentary Faber did on the bubble bursting is required viewing. They are also running programmes about the extent of corporate greed and maluse of funds................ something i don't think fox will be doing any time soon.

908 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:31:09am

re: #906 Lidane
Being frustrated, IMO is no excuse for this kind of jackassery. Get involved in the process like you are.

909 sffilk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:31:18am

re: #894 darthstar

NRCC defends the gas-line cutters

I think this says it all. It's the first comment:

Shorter GOP: We whipped it up, we implicitly support it, we want to keep it whipped up -- but don't blame us when someone dies.

910 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:31:38am

re: #893 unsavoryagent

I still cant find a picture of the other coffin, the one that they left on the lawn, anybody got that one? I'm curious if it's a baby coffin or full size or what.

What is the importance of the size of it? A coffin of any size is a statement, isn't it?

911 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:34:46am

Mohamedou Slahi is responsible for the murder of thousands of Americans. He was a core member of the 9/11 conspiracy — the recruiter of Mohamed Atta and the other ringleaders. If he’d had his druthers, even more Americans would have been killed: He is almost certainly the al-Qaeda middle manager who activated the Canadian cell that attempted to bomb Los Angeles International Airport. On the scale of war criminals, he edges toward the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed range, as bad as it gets.
A federal judge has ordered that he be released.

the USA...best country in the world if you are a terrorist and get busted...
(there is no war on terror)...of course he didn't toss any bricks

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

912 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:34:48am

Going up

913 unsavoryagent  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:35:34am

re: #910 Silvergirl

What is the importance of the size of it? A coffin of any size is a statement, isn't it?

No, there are two coffins.

914 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:36:52am

re: #906 Lidane

Right. Because being frustrated is an excuse.

My Senators are Cornyn and Hutchison. Every time I've written Cornyn to voice my opinion on something, I've ended up receiving a form letter response and finding myself signed up for mailing lists that I don't want to be on. I *know* I'm being ignored, but I keep writing anyway, since I think it's important.

Feeling like you're not being listened to is no excuse for taking a shot at someone's window, cutting their brother's gas line, throwing bricks at their offices, or putting a coffin on their front lawn. If you think it IS an excuse for that behavior, you're just an asshole with an over-inflated sense of entitlement.

But but but... it was the Reps brother. Surely he is an innocent victim, no? Jeez.

915 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:43:36am

re: #911 albusteve

I've read Mcarthy before and found his stuff blindly partisan and drastically over simplified - but i'll read this one too.

916 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:08:35am

The article in the Hat Air green room calling for armed revolution has been deleted.

917 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:43:03pm

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

I find it funny that everyone wants to know when Rush is moving to Costa Rica. Funny, where were these people when Hollywood was gonna leave because "W" got reelected?

I don't know, but a different set of people harped on that one for a while.

918 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:26:28pm

re: #710 Mad Al-Jaffee

Nothing about the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

That was in the January issue.

919 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:31:33pm

re: #758 Cineaste

Absolutely! There's another group of people who like to march around with coffins...

[Link: www.smh.com.au...]

I think those actually have people in them.

Or not.

Whatever.

I'm in the middle of my second day in a row off from work. I NEVER stay home sick. I'm not even that sick. I just fucking can't deal any more.

920 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:32:08pm

re: #763 avanti

Republican congressman Eric Cantor shot at, according to Fox.He just held a press announcement blaming the Dems for ratcheting up the rhetoric.

Wait, was HE personally shot at now?

921 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:33:33pm

re: #765 Cineaste

Didn't Coulter cancel because she didn't like that there would be protestors at her event, not that her life was threatened?

Her organizers say there were threats.

If the Canadian Human Rights Commission was not getting involved, I would take that more seriously. But if they felt they had to cancel, so be it.

Campus activists can be real assholes sometimes. I should know. I useta been one.

922 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:34:01pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

I don't think it's going to stop and I wish the Obama administration would do something about it.

What is the Obama administration supposed to do about it, exactly?

923 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:34:17pm

re: #769 Ojoe

IMHO to stop it we need a viable center party in the USA.

Oh, Ojoe. Stop being such a BigWhig.

924 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:35:39pm

re: #773 cliffster

Rep. Cantor's Richmond Campaign Office Shot at Overnight

"Fox News has also obtained a threatening message left Friday on the voicemail of Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio."

Well, that's no fun.

What's the message to Schmidt about?

925 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:36:47pm

re: #781 The Sanity Inspector

No, protesters are like wallpaper to her, they're everywhere she goes.

Anyhone notice all the Palestinian keffiyehs being worn by the protesting students?

I hate to tell you, but they may not even be wearing those as political statements. They're high fashion still. My high school kids wear them, and they can't the hell tell you what they are or where they're from.

926 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:13pm

re: #783 webevintage

So what "tone" is Obama using that is making people crazy?

He's being all snooty, and passing legislation that only HE likes.

927 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:39:36pm

re: #801 Walter L. Newton

This would be a good opportunity for the administration to shut these people down. There are enough laws to stop these people from doing what they are doing, both local laws and federal laws.

How does the 'administration' shut 'these people' down? Who? For what?

Law enforcement can step in if laws are broken. What possible options does the administration have?

928 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:40:26pm

re: #812 Walter L. Newton

Shut down the Tea Parties.

On what grounds?

929 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:40:52pm

re: #818 JasonA

Wow. That's, that's a really bad idea that only makes things much worse.

Walter knows that.

930 Bourdain's Breakfast  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:41:11pm

re: #913 unsavoryagent

No, there are two coffins.

Coffin Deniers!

931 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:32:26pm

re: #694 Killgore Trout

Correct. You should have heard Rush Limbaugh today. He states that he isn't inciting the fringe, but in the same breath (literally) he says that the health care bill itself is a "death threat" to America, our way of life, our system of government, etc., etc. He repeated this refrain over and over during his show.

932 giantslor  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:10:54am

Jim Hoft. Where have I seen this guy before?

Image: rnc_012.jpg

Oh yeah...

Image: contact07.jpg


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