Update: Rep. Cantor’s Office Was Not Targeted

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And now we learn, from the official police statement, that Republican Rep. Eric Cantor’s claim that his Richmond office was targeted by someone who fired a bullet through the window turns out to be completely false.

Richmond Police Investigate Cantor Building Vandalism

March 25, 2010

The Richmond Police Department is investigating an act of vandalism at the Reagan Building, 25 E. Main St., Richmond, Virginia. A first floor window was struck by a bullet at approximately 1 a.m. on Tuesday, March 23. The building, which has several tenants including an office used by Congressman Eric Cantor, was unoccupied at the time.

A Richmond Police detective was assigned to the case. A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.

The Richmond Police Department is sharing information about the incident with appropriate law enforcement agencies.

At this time there are no suspects.

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1 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:34:52pm

In related news, bird crap on public statue obvious signs of partisan vandalism.

2 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:35:43pm

Thanks for chasing this story down, Charles.

3 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:35:57pm

/I shot an arrow in the air... it fell to earth I know not where.

4 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:36:05pm

Eric Cantors statements:

I doubt he knew the specifics at the time of these statements -- he had probably only heard that a window in his Richmond office had been shot at from a staffer there.

5 youngtim  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:36:24pm

ugh... I don't know, I hate to call out Chuck on this one, but "completely false?" His window was broken by a bullet, right? Fired by a gun, yes? I understand what CJ's getting at, clearly Cantor left some info out to make it seem more threatening than it was, but his window did indeed get shot out by someone, as far as I can tell. Maybe I missed something here...

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:36:50pm

I knew the story smelled fishy.

Cantor is shameless. He had to have to known this when he claimed the bullet was fired into the window.

7 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:06pm

re: #5 youngtim

ugh... I don't know, I hate to call out Chuck on this one, but "completely false?" His window was broken by a bullet, right? Fired by a gun, yes? I understand what CJ's getting at, clearly Cantor left some info out to make it seem more threatening than it was, but his window did indeed get shot out by someone, as far as I can tell. Maybe I missed something here...

If a Democratic Congressman made the same claim, his lack of knowledge of guns and ballistics would be roundly ridiculed by Republicans and his manhood, in general, would be questioned. Instead we’re going to see wall-to-wall “threats of violence affecting both parties” stories.

8 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:39pm

re: #6 Charles

I knew the story smelled fishy.

Cantor is shameless. He had to have to known this when he claimed the bullet was fired into the window.

I'm not sure why you think he "had to have known this"...?

9 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:44pm

re: #5 youngtim

ugh... I don't know, I hate to call out Chuck on this one, but "completely false?" His window was broken by a bullet, right? Fired by a gun, yes? I understand what CJ's getting at, clearly Cantor left some info out to make it seem more threatening than it was, but his window did indeed get shot out by someone, as far as I can tell. Maybe I missed something here...

If a foul ball at a baseball game hits you in the stands, were you targetted by the batter?

10 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:49pm

re: #3 brookly red

Longfellow advocated partisan vandalism!!!11!!!!1!!

//

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:37:52pm

So I'm guessing the bullet was probably fired into the air about a half mile away? Maybe a mile?

12 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:38:41pm

So if that bullet actually hit Cantor he would have said "ow!" and then moved on with his day.

13 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:39:07pm

Somebody could have stubbed their toe on that bullet. Very dangerous.

14 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:39:15pm

Man, this whole 'threatened violence' thing gets curoiuser and curoiuser as time goes on.

15 pharmmajor  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:39:17pm

This was most likely another attempt to instill violence from some radical loon. I think Cantor jumped to conclusions; he wasn't targeted specifically, but this most likely a threat against the House of Reps in general.

16 sffilk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:39:19pm

A SHANDEH upon Congressman Cantor! For shame!!!

17 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:40:04pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

So I'm guessing the bullet was probably fired into the air about a half mile away? Maybe a mile?

Right. It was a random incident.

18 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:40:06pm

Kinda off topic but I always wondered where all the rounds fired into the air at death to America rallies?

19 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:40:16pm

"Security threats against members of Congress are not a partisan issue and should not be treated that way." -- Eric Cantor

Sounds good to me.

20 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:41:04pm

re: #15 pharmmajor

This was most likely another attempt to instill violence from some radical loon. I think Cantor jumped to conclusions; he wasn't targeted specifically, but this most likely a threat against the House of Reps in general.

Oh please.

The bullet was fired into the air. There's no way anyone can attribute this to a political statement.

21 YoungTim  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:41:04pm

re: #7 recusancy

Oh no doubt Re, I'm not debating what's gonna happen next, or that Cantor had pure intentions, or anything like that. I'm just saying, Cantor said someone shot out his window, the police report says the same, just that it may not have been his window that was targeted. Not to mention this is a preliminary report, I'd hate to have it turn out that it happened exactly like he said, and we're here calling him a liar is all.

22 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:41:43pm

Vertical marksmanship strikes again!

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

23 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:41:50pm

re: #15 pharmmajor

This was most likely another attempt to instill violence from some radical loon. I think Cantor jumped to conclusions; he wasn't targeted specifically, but this most likely a threat against the House of Reps in general.

If you're a good enough shot to fire a gun into the air and have the bullet fall where you want it to, your a better shot then pretty much anybody, ever. Or you're a mad genius physicist.

24 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:41:57pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Falling bullets can be dangerous... but this seems now like a case for the gun-prohibition folks, does it not?

Speaking of guns:

Wife of jazz star Eddie Palmieri grazed by bullet

Prosecutors say an 81-year-old woman pulled a revolver from her fanny pack and tried to shoot the wife of a Grammy-winning jazz pianist near the elevator of their New York City condominium.

Queens District Attorney Richard Brown says Maria Cartegena pulled out the gun Tuesday night and fired at the 73-year-old wife of Eddie Palmieri. The bullet grazed Iraida Palmieri's scalp.

A gun-crazed society built by violent hominids.

25 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:43:00pm

re: #19 cliffster

Except they clearly are a partisan issue, unless you can come up with some recent threats to Republicans. (Or if you want, people that voted against HCR, but its largely the same thing)

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:43:53pm

re: #5 youngtim

ugh... I don't know, I hate to call out Chuck on this one, but "completely false?" His window was broken by a bullet, right? Fired by a gun, yes? I understand what CJ's getting at, clearly Cantor left some info out to make it seem more threatening than it was, but his window did indeed get shot out by someone, as far as I can tell. Maybe I missed something here...

I've worked in many an office where there's been bullet damage to windows. Stuff happens late at night on city streets.

27 ShaunP  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:44:20pm

Is Fox issuing a correction for their viewers?

28 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:01pm

re: #25 windsagio

Except they clearly are a partisan issue, unless you can come up with some recent threats to Republicans. (Or if you want, people that voted against HCR, but its largely the same thing)

Exactly. When Republicans pass environmental reforms that get the eco terrorists riled up I'll condemn them and grant you your "both sides are guilty" meme. But that's just not the case right now.

29 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:19pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Heard plenty of shots when I was livin' in the bad part of town, but never had my house hit, it would be freaky even after the fact.

30 freetoken  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:23pm

Speaking of Republicans, Ike has been called "the last good Republican" by some... now it's time for his memorial:

Design for Dwight D. Eisenhower memorial unveiled

I think it would appropriate for him to have a memorial, not because he was President, but because he was Supreme Allied Commander.

31 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:38pm

re: #18 brookly red

Kinda off topic but I always wondered where all the rounds fired into the air at death to America rallies?

It's probably been Myth-bustered, but from a long ago hunter safety class it was mentioned that bullets fired straight up were much less of a threat than any fired on a ballistic trajectory (45 degrees or less roughly). A .22 LR round on such a trajectory had a range of much more than a mile. A round from a hunting rifle (.30 inch or so) could go over three miles. Intended to drive home the safety point of knowing where a round would go if you missed the target. Preferably into dirt within a very short distance behind it.

32 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:42pm

It's Richmond so I am not surprised it was an isolated bullet. Glad it wasn't a threat. It's wrong no matter who does it.

33 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:45:49pm

re: #25 windsagio

"Security threats against members of Congress are not a partisan issue" = "How DARE those whiny Democrats complain about the consequences of our dangerous, inflammatory rhetoric!"

34 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:46:05pm

OT: The Senate voted to reform the student loan program.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:46:06pm

re: #23 recusancy

If you're a good enough shot to fire a gun into the air and have the bullet fall where you want it to, your a better shot then pretty much anybody, ever. Or you're a mad genius physicist.

Does anyone know where the Mythbusters guys were that night? Or how they vote?

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:46:34pm

re: #25 windsagio

Except they clearly are a partisan issue, unless you can come up with some recent threats to Republicans. (Or if you want, people that voted against HCR, but its largely the same thing)

From a law-enforcement standpoint, though, it doesn't matter.

37 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:46:56pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Does anyone know where the Mythbusters guys were that night? Or how they vote?

[Link: mythbustersresults.com...]

38 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:47:26pm

re: #31 oaktree

I've heard like 1 or 2 stories in my lifetime of people getting hit by 'air bullets' (don't know if thats a real term, but its descriptive). Its also a lot less deadly, they don't have THAT much force.

Still not something you wanna do. Hell, you don't want to shoot bullets over large bodies of water either'.

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:48:07pm

Condensing my thoughts on the matter:

The facts speak for themselves.

A fool shot a gun into the air. Th bullet, not fired into the building, grazed the window while going down.

The good GOP politician, seized the opportunity to belittle the very real racist attacks and death threats made by the right against Dems and even smarmily blamed the Dems for the hate that the GOP has so carefully fanned.

This belittles the very real threats made to innocent people.

It claims a false sense of victimhood.

It distracts the rightful blame for this mess that lands squarely and solely at the feet of the right.

It blames the victim.

He talks about attacks on his office. There was no attack. He lied.

He tries to blame the Dems for whipping up fury over attacks that actually happened to them. Sorry, but when people of color are called the N word, they have a right to be pissed. When peopl try to cut your gas lines, or do coffin stunts, those are clearly threatening and they have a right to be pissed.

It is a form of lie to try to belittle this.

That lie is compounded by claiming he is taking the high road by not flipping out over his own "attack" when there was no attack.

The lie is further compounded by blaming the Dems for the whole mess of violent craziness and fanned flames, when everyone knows it was the GOP who has been fanning those flames.

Lies, damn lies and sick cowardly lies.

The biggest lie of course is in claiming that he want's to rise above partisanship, when he is being a clear partisan hack himself.

Further, the fact that he brings up his Jewishness and raises a false specter of antisemitism is particularly despicable.

I am especially harsh on those members of the Tribe who are also scumbags. But then again, given what Torah values are on things like education, helping the poor and the needy, using one's rational intelligence to sort out the universe and oh yes taking care of the environment (that whole we were made as a gardener thing) I look at any Jewish Republican the same way I look at a Black or Gay one... Clearly fucking crazy to begin with.

40 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:48:21pm

Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

busted / plausible / confirmed

In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured. To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.

41 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:48:26pm

More from Bart Stupak...

Stupak, who in numerous recent interviews has called his life a “living hell,” said during an interview on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” that his wife has had to unplug the family’s home phone.

“Unfortunately for my wife, she has to unplug the phone at night because you get the phone calls at 2 a.m., 3 a.m. in the morning,” the Michigan Democrat said. “They want to cuss you out.”

“My staff is overwhelmed and we're accosted basically wherever we go by people who disagree,” he added. “We should have disagreements in this country. I for one am standing on a principle most Americans agree with. There's no reason for that language, abusive behavior to my family, my staff or even myself.”

42 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:48:33pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, and it'll be investigated the hell out of.

That being said, people shouldn't use incidents like this to make political hay, or to try to mitigate the impact of the actual politically motivated threats.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:34pm

re: #29 windsagio

Heard plenty of shots when I was livin' in the bad part of town, but never had my house hit, it would be freaky even after the fact.

I went to Mills College for a year and a half. Finished up my BA there. Mills is a lovely secluded campus backed up to what used to be a real bad part of Oakland. (It's better now.)

We'd sit in the lovely paneled Edwardian study rooms, and every so often there would be shots in the distance, and people would put their hands to their ears and say "Hark! A Glock 9mm!"

Once something went off that sounded like a mortar round, and everyone just sat in puzzlement for a minute. "Bazooka?" someone finally said.

44 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:36pm
Cantor said a bullet was shot through the window of his Richmond, Va., campaign office this week, and that he’s gotten threatening emails. “I will not release them because I believe such actions will only encourage more to be sent,” he said.

Bullshit. He won't release them because even he only catches threatening emails from the right wing tea party assholes. He's trying to play a both sides are equally bad gambit when he knows goddamned well that it isn't true.

45 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:36pm

Just caught wind of the latest GOP attack meme courtesy of FoxNews.com. It's that Congressmen and Senators that currently enjoy government administered health care plans are going to be forced to give up their government health care and get their plans from the free market state insurance exchanges.

I can't even wrap my head around this one. The complaint is that their government health care is being taken away? Because of the draconian ObamaCare plan that forces government health care on everyone? What?

46 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:39pm

re: #5 youngtim

I hate to call out Chuck on this one

I call BS on that. I looked at some of your old comments, and I believe "calling Chuck out on this one" is your favorite indoor sport.

47 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:41pm

re: #19 cliffster

"Security threats against members of Congress are not a partisan issue and should not be treated that way." -- Eric Cantor

Sounds good to me.

Spin baby spin... cherry pick baby cherry pick... Spin Spin Spin... maybe if we put you in a tub of water and added soap we could do laundry on an industrial scale.

48 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:48pm

re: #40 recusancy

Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

busted / plausible / confirmed

In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured. To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.

so much for warning shots...

49 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:49:57pm

re: #25 windsagio

Except they clearly are a partisan issue, unless you can come up with some recent threats to Republicans. (Or if you want, people that voted against HCR, but its largely the same thing)

It may work out that way on this issue. But we have seen time and time again over the year, that depending on the issue, the other side can have a wing of crazies that resort to violence.

Just 'cause in this case the "right" lost, and so it's the "right" loons who are behaving violently, doesn't mean that we should only condemn the "right".

We need to constantly reinforce that despite the philosophical differences between people in the US, civility must hold.

If someone is angry at the outcome of a vote or the passing of a bill, corrective action must be through elections and helping people who share your views run for office, and categorically NOT through any intimidation, threats of violence, or actual violence. That is what democracy is all about.

I think in this incident with Cantor, we have the issue of things being reported as the events are still developing. I still agree with his fundamental point, regardless of weather the shot was intentionally aimed at the office or was random. Seeking political gain through the violence is wrong.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:50:27pm

re: #30 freetoken

Speaking of Republicans, Ike has been called "the last good Republican" by some... now it's time for his memorial:

Design for Dwight D. Eisenhower memorial unveiled

I think it would appropriate for him to have a memorial, not because he was President, but because he was Supreme Allied Commander.

My husband says "He has a ship named for him. What else could ever be as cool?"

51 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:50:46pm

Yes, but someone could have been breathing on the glass so they could write "I'm voting No on Health Care" with their finger...and THAT person could have been hit by the descending bullet.

52 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:04pm

re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote

Spin baby spin... cherry pick baby cherry pick... Spin Spin Spin... maybe if we put you in a tub of water and added soap we could do laundry on an industrial scale.

That's almost as smart as when you called me a pussy on the other thread.

53 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #40 recusancy

Even on a box of .22s it says "Range one mile be careful."

54 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:25pm

re: #48 brookly red

so much for warning shots...

Warning shots are bullshit. Everytime you pull the trigger, you have the chance to kill someone.

55 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:32pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband says "He has a ship named for him. What else could ever be as cool?"

Eisenhower was quite possibly the greatest President our nation has ever had IMHO.

56 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:51:52pm

Eisenhower was a good president. It's good to hear.

57 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:02pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband says "He has a ship named for him. What else could ever be as cool?"

Having a "marital aid" named after you?

58 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:12pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

I went to Mills College for a year and a half. Finished up my BA there. Mills is a lovely secluded campus backed up to what used to be a real bad part of Oakland. (It's better now.)

We'd sit in the lovely paneled Edwardian study rooms, and every so often there would be shots in the distance, and people would put their hands to their ears and say "Hark! A Glock 9mm!"

Once something went off that sounded like a mortar round, and everyone just sat in puzzlement for a minute. "Bazooka?" someone finally said.

I you live in Brooklyn for a while you get to know that the sound of a 9mm is different than say a .380... the big boom is usually a shotgun.

59 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:12pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

The one thing I'll say in Cantors favor, altho' I think he cynically used the incident, is he probably was legitimately freaked at first. I sure would be.

60 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:28pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If a foul ball at a baseball game hits you in the stands, were you targetted by the batter?

Yes. And if it spills my beer, then it's war.

61 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:36pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Having a "marital aid" named after you?

Named and modeled preferably.

62 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:54pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

More from Bart Stupak...

Stupak, who in numerous recent interviews has called his life a “living hell,” said during an interview on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” that his wife has had to unplug the family’s home phone.

“Unfortunately for my wife, she has to unplug the phone at night because you get the phone calls at 2 a.m., 3 a.m. in the morning,” the Michigan Democrat said. “They want to cuss you out.”

“My staff is overwhelmed and we're accosted basically wherever we go by people who disagree,” he added. “We should have disagreements in this country. I for one am standing on a principle most Americans agree with. There's no reason for that language, abusive behavior to my family, my staff or even myself.”

Forgot the link...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

63 Mark Pennington  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:52:54pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

I call BS on that. I looked at some of your old comments, and I believe "calling Chuck out on this one" is your favorite indoor sport.

lol I love you.

64 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:53:02pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

Condensing my thoughts on the matter:
...
I look at any Jewish Republican the same way I look at a Black or Gay one... Clearly fucking crazy to begin with.

In other words. Republicans are clearly fucking crazy.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:53:25pm

re: #45 drcordell

Just caught wind of the latest GOP attack meme courtesy of FoxNews.com. It's that Congressmen and Senators that currently enjoy government administered health care plans are going to be forced to give up their government health care and get their plans from the free market state insurance exchanges.

I can't even wrap my head around this one. The complaint is that their government health care is being taken away? Because of the draconian ObamaCare plan that forces government health care on everyone? What?

Well, it's new. The bitch-and-moan for the longest time was that we'd all be put on the public option, and the Congresscritters would keep their fancy GOVERNMENT health care.

Never made much sense, but whatever.

66 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:53:34pm

re: #49 Joo-LiZ

Try to think of anything the right has done that has produced remotely this strong a response.

Anti-war protesters ain't got nothin'.


(My point: As much as people want there to be, there simply is no equivalence)

67 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:53:39pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Having a "marital aid" named after you?

Baby, break out the Eisenhower...I'm in the mood.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:54:32pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Having a "marital aid" named after you?

There's a marital aid called the Eisenhower? Do I want to Google this or not?

69 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:54:46pm

re: #66 windsagio

Try to think of anything the right has done that has produced remotely this strong a response.

Anti-war protesters ain't got nothin'.

(My point: As much as people want there to be, there simply is no equivalence)

Ya. I don't think added security was needed to fend off the hippies with peace signs.

70 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:55:11pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a marital aid called the Eisenhower? Do I want to Google this or not?

I was referring to myself, and my stage name.

71 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:55:19pm

re: #64 Joo-LiZ

I got more 'this particular Republican is an effing cynical douchebag' from that post. Don't get all strawmanney :p

72 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:55:38pm

re: #69 recusancy

Ya. I don't think added security was needed to fend off the hippies with peace signs.

But you needed a gas mask to address the dope smoke.

73 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:55:44pm

re: #59 windsagio

The one thing I'll say in Cantors favor, altho' I think he cynically used the incident, is he probably was legitimately freaked at first. I sure would be.

Why, because a bullet went through your office window? Why would that freak you out?

74 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:04pm

re: #40 recusancy

Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

busted / plausible / confirmed

In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured. To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.

OK guys, I am a little shocked that I need to write this.

Energy is conserved. If you fire a bullet up into the air, and forget about air resistance, it comes down at the exact same speed that it started with.

However, velocity is a vector and speed is not velocity.

What matters to this question, is how much of the velocity was pointed at the target at time of impact. So say some fool fires a bullet straight up - or nearly straight up. The velocity is almost all in the vertical direction. So, if you are standing under a bullet when it comes down it is exactly like you had lain on your tummy and someone shot horizontally at your head. On the other hand, if you are vertical and the bullet is not coming down directly on top of you, it has very little horizontal velocity or momentum. It will graze.

75 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:17pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a marital aid called the Eisenhower? Do I want to Google this or not?

"I like Ike"

76 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:24pm

re: #52 cliffster

That's almost as smart as when you called me a pussy on the other thread.

Whine baby whine

77 political lunatic  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:31pm

... and everyone in the media ignores this inconvenient fact while Cantor spouts stuff he knows are lies about this until election day.

78 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:46pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it's new. The bitch-and-moan for the longest time was that we'd all be put on the public option, and the Congresscritters would keep their fancy GOVERNMENT health care.

Never made much sense, but whatever.

I'd really love to give anyone who listens to these arguments the benefit of the doubt. But I just can't do it. I can't wrap my head around how utterly non-sensical the bullshit they are coming up with is.

If you wanted to make an honest argument against the bill it would simply be "this will make your insurance more expensive." And it's a legitimate argument. I guess that's just not extreme enough for the base now that they have been so stoked up?

79 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:56:47pm

re: #67 darthstar

There's gotta be a little stubby one called "The Bradley".

80 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:57:26pm

re: #30 freetoken

Speaking of Republicans, Ike has been called "the last good Republican" by some... now it's time for his memorial:

Design for Dwight D. Eisenhower memorial unveiled

I think it would appropriate for him to have a memorial, not because he was President, but because he was Supreme Allied Commander.

Being a two-term President is an achievement that deserves to be memorialized, too.

81 dugmartsch  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:57:29pm

Thought this made for interesting reading. David Frum says no but, the timing is rather curious.

Damn this crazy recession, it was either drive ourselves into imminent and irrecoverable insolvency or....fire one resident fellow.

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

They could at least man up and admit they're a bunch of sore losers.

The world didn't end with the patriot act, and it won't end with HCR, either.

82 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:57:37pm

re: #40 recusancy

Remember that scene from "The Mexican" with Brad Pitt? He's taking some kid back to the states when a bullet lands on top of the kid's head and kills him.

83 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:57:40pm

re: #64 Joo-LiZ

In other words. Republicans are clearly fucking crazy.

NO, you can be sane but self serving and evil as well. But to be a Jew and to claim Torah values at all, and then look at GOP values is insane.

84 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:58:07pm

re: #80 The Sanity Inspector

Being a two-term President is an achievement that deserves to be memorialized, too.

Man, where are we gonna put the Nixon and Clinton memorials then?

85 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:58:37pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

Bullshit. He won't release them because even he only catches threatening emails from the right wing tea party assholes. He's trying to play a both sides are equally bad gambit when he knows goddamned well that it isn't true.

I am sure many members of Congress get threatening e-mails on a daily basis from wingnuts on both sides.

86 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:58:39pm

re: #79 Obdicut

There's gotta be a little stubby one called "The Bradley".

There should be a butt-plug named after Cantor. It'd be fitting.

87 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:59:25pm

re: #80 The Sanity Inspector

Being a two-term President is an achievement that deserves to be memorialized, too.

Yeah, but the citizens of San Francisco actually voted against naming their sewage treatment plant after GWB.

88 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:59:31pm

re: #86 darthstar

Thank you Sir, for my laugh of the day.

89 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:59:47pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

More from Bart Stupak...

Stupak, who in numerous recent interviews has called his life a “living hell,” said during an interview on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” that his wife has had to unplug the family’s home phone.

“Unfortunately for my wife, she has to unplug the phone at night because you get the phone calls at 2 a.m., 3 a.m. in the morning,” the Michigan Democrat said. “They want to cuss you out.”

“My staff is overwhelmed and we're accosted basically wherever we go by people who disagree,” he added. “We should have disagreements in this country. I for one am standing on a principle most Americans agree with. There's no reason for that language, abusive behavior to my family, my staff or even myself.”

I forgot to add... these comments by Stupak were made over a week ago, before the vote, when he was apparently being being harassed by people on the left about his pro-life stance...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

90 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:59:51pm

re: #85 Lateralis

OK this is making me crazy.

Do you guys think this 'both sides do it!!!1!1!!!one!!1!!' meme is even remotely accurate?

Do you actually think this way, or is it just playing politics?

91 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:10pm

re: #84 windsagio

Man, where are we gonna put the Nixon and Clinton memorials then?

One at the Watergate, the other in the Red Light district.

92 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:12pm

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

you sly devil you >>

93 captdiggs  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:32pm

So, a bullet comes through a window at his office, yet the story is "completely false"?
To my mind, "completely false" would mean no bullet entered his offices.
If this had been a democrat, would it be "completely false"?

94 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:35pm

re: #92 windsagio

you sly devil you >>

Thanks for the up ding.

95 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:40pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Forgot the link...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

So, who's doing it? I thought only Conservatives can be abusive assholes.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:46pm

re: #85 Lateralis

I am sure many members of Congress get threatening e-mails on a daily basis from wingnuts on both sides.

I think they should release them all to a website. I love hate mail. Alan Colmes used to publish his hate mail.

97 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:00:52pm

re: #30 freetoken

Speaking of Republicans, Ike has been called "the last good Republican" by some... now it's time for his memorial:

Design for Dwight D. Eisenhower memorial unveiled

I think it would appropriate for him to have a memorial, not because he was President, but because he was Supreme Allied Commander.

I'm for it. It will be seen by more people, and he is deserving of the honor of being remembered. His library/museum is a treasure--I've explored it--but since it's in his hometown and dismissed by so many as "flyover country," it just isn't appreciated by the masses.

98 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:01:01pm

re: #95 MandyManners

So, who's doing it? I thought only Conservatives can be abusive assholes.

Oops!

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:01:09pm

re: #87 darthstar

Yeah, but the citizens of San Francisco actually voted against naming their sewage treatment plant after GWB.

Thanks be to God.

100 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:01:13pm

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

A work of art is a work of art.

Or to put it another way, a pool shark still has to be good at pool.

101 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:01:23pm

re: #93 captdiggs

So, a bullet comes through a window at his office, yet the story is "completely false"?
To my mind, "completely false" would mean no bullet entered his offices.
If this had been a democrat, would it be "completely false"?

He said the bullet was fired through his window, very clearly implying that he was targeted on purpose.

That was completely false. It's not hard to get.

102 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:00pm

re: #84 windsagio

Man, where are we gonna put the Nixon and Clinton memorials then?

While it is not the same as a memorial, I can highly recommend the Clinton Library in Little Rock. No matter how you feel about the man and his legacy, it is a brilliant museum of the 1990s for future generations.

BTW: Big shock...Beck started of his show just now by making clear he didn't get the update from the Richmond PD. I am STUNNED.

103 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:06pm

re: #86 darthstar

Nah, I'm stuck in WWII mode. The buttplug would have to be the Mark Clark .

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:08pm

re: #93 captdiggs

So, a bullet comes through a window at his office, yet the story is "completely false"?
To my mind, "completely false" would mean no bullet entered his offices.
If this had been a democrat, would it be "completely false"?

If this had been a Democrat, it would still have been completely false.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:28pm

re: #74 LudwigVanQuixote

OK guys, I am a little shocked that I need to write this.

Energy is conserved. If you fire a bullet up into the air, and forget about air resistance, it comes down at the exact same speed that it started with.

However, velocity is a vector and speed is not velocity.

What matters to this question, is how much of the velocity was pointed at the target at time of impact. So say some fool fires a bullet straight up - or nearly straight up. The velocity is almost all in the vertical direction. So, if you are standing under a bullet when it comes down it is exactly like you had lain on your tummy and someone shot horizontally at your head. On the other hand, if you are vertical and the bullet is not coming down directly on top of you, it has very little horizontal velocity or momentum. It will graze.

What I've bolded makes a big difference once you shift from the theoretical into the reality.

106 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:47pm

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

Whine baby whine

Here's the thing. Me, I am very much saddened by the threats and scary rhetoric going on. Congresspeople getting stalked and threatened at their homes makes me feel uncomfortable. On the other hand, when you post a 10 paragraph essay on how this all proves that Republicans are evil, it doesn't make you sound sad or uncomfortable, it makes you sound ecstatic for the opportunity to dump on the GOP some more. The same thing goes for democrats and their henchmen who take all these stories and make them into attacks against the GOP.

I can say with 100% honesty that it makes me very angry, sad, and even a little frightened to see all this happening. I can also say with 100% certainty that it seems like a whole lot of people in the left media are very happy about it.

107 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:48pm

re: #100 windsagio

A work of art is a work of art.

Or to put it another way, a pool shark still has to be good at pool.

Interesting you put it that way, my third wife was a pool shark, actually a tournament player, she taught me a lot about "looking ahead" and planning you shot... 3 shots away.

108 HC4BO  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:02:57pm

Since it was a downwards shot, MAYBE the vandal was doing a fly-by ... !

109 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:14pm

By comment 17, somebody finally posts the facts on the RedState "Someone shot at Rep. Cantor's window!!!" diary.

110 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:19pm

re: #103 Obdicut

Nah, I'm stuck in WWII mode. The buttplug would have to be the Mark Clark .

Real women love The Patton.

111 davesax  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:21pm

Hey Charles:

Just wanted to wish you a hearty fairwell. Been a member of LGF since almost the beginning and I've decided to close my account. Not for any political reasons. I've just spent a lot of time reading blogs and commenting since September 11th, and it's time to put that energy into other things.

Keep up the good work and passion for music.

I'll be out here, reading.

Davesax

112 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:25pm

re: #66 windsagio

Try to think of anything the right has done that has produced remotely this strong a response.

Anti-war protesters ain't got nothin'.

(My point: As much as people want there to be, there simply is no equivalence)

Try to come up with an issue the Republicans have forced against overwhelming Democratic opposition that was nearly as sweeping HCR.

While this is NOT quite the same thing -- what comes to mind is the numerous public officials who have had to face "citizens arrests'". With anti-war protestors laying hands on the public official until the bodyguards brush them aside.

I don't think there has been an issue that the left has opposed and the right has championed that has been anywhere close to as polarizing, with direct impact on citizens, as HCR.

Now, I KNOW that is going to sound like I am making excuses for the people making the threats. I am not. I categorically reject the threats and temper tantrums of public figures.

That being said, I really do NOT think this is something only the right is capable of, and I think it is a mistake to argue that.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I feel very scummy even putting myself in a position where people will think I'm trying to defend some of the crap going on right now =S

113 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:38pm

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

I might add, however, that a pool shark is still a scam artist :P

*didn't we have some conversation about posting in bad faith a few months back? :D

114 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:03:49pm

re: #55 drcordell

Eisenhower was quite possibly the greatest President our nation has ever had IMHO.

You know, history rates highest our activist Presidents, but I believe they do the most harm to this country. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was our No. 1 disaster. Before he took office, Americans in trouble got themselves out of the hole. Now they blame the system and everybody else. FDR started this welfare mess. This tremendous burden. President Eisenhower, on the other hand, was occupied with keeping things from happening. Eisenhower sat on his ass and we were a thousand times better off.
-- Eric Hoffer, People Magazine interview, 1978

115 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:09pm

re: #111 davesax

I wonder about htis, couldn't you just not post? >>

116 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:28pm

re: #113 windsagio

I might add, however, that a pool shark is still a scam artist :P

*didn't we have some conversation about posting in bad faith a few months back? :D

Pay attention.

117 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:33pm

re: #115 windsagio

I wonder about htis, couldn't you just not post? >>

Exactly.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:43pm

re: #108 HC4BO

Since it was a downwards shot, MAYBE the vandal was doing a fly-by ... !

From one of the comments on Balloon Juice: Liberals get issued guns and jetpacks? Where do I sign up for mine?

119 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:53pm

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

Oh I am!!

120 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:59pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Er, there's two version of the Patton, remember. There's the one that simply provides the finest penetration abilities of the series, but there's also the S&M Patton kit, with smacking paddle and rubber necktie.

121 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:04:59pm

re: #112 Joo-LiZ

Try to come up with an issue the Republicans have forced against overwhelming Democratic opposition that was nearly as sweeping HCR.

While this is NOT quite the same thing -- what comes to mind is the numerous public officials who have had to face "citizens arrests'". With anti-war protestors laying hands on the public official until the bodyguards brush them aside.

I don't think there has been an issue that the left has opposed and the right has championed that has been anywhere close to as polarizing, with direct impact on citizens, as HCR.

Now, I KNOW that is going to sound like I am making excuses for the people making the threats. I am not. I categorically reject the threats and temper tantrums of public figures.

That being said, I really do NOT think this is something only the right is capable of, and I think it is a mistake to argue that.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I feel very scummy even putting myself in a position where people will think I'm trying to defend some of the crap going on right now =S

Code Pink and Karl Rove.

122 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:05:00pm

re: #87 darthstar

Yeah, but the citizens of San Francisco actually voted against naming their sewage treatment plant after GWB.

Mighty classy of them.

123 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:05:14pm

re: #106 cliffster

it seems like a whole lot of people in the left media are very happy about it.

There are leftists that just cream in their jeans at the prospect of violence. They're sick, and their counterparts on the right are sick also.

124 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:05:34pm

re: #123 Ojoe

there you go again :p

125 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:05:35pm

re: #111 davesax

Worst. Flounce. Ever.

126 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:05:58pm

re: #119 windsagio

Oh I am!!

That was fun, wasn't it.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:06:00pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Er, there's two version of the Patton, remember. There's the one that simply provides the finest penetration abilities of the series, but there's also the S&M Patton kit, with smacking paddle and rubber necktie.

I imagined little tank-tread massage devices.

128 ryannon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:06:16pm

re: #108 HC4BO

Since it was a downwards shot, MAYBE the vandal was doing a fly-by ... !

Or really TALL!

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:06:40pm

re: #122 The Sanity Inspector

Mighty classy of them.

You can get almost anything on the ballot in SF. The difference between Berkeley and SF is that SF will vote down the weirder and more pointless stuff.

130 soap_man  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:06:42pm

re: #125 bratwurst

Worst. Flounce. Ever.

I don't think that was a flounce. Just a polite farewell.

131 captdiggs  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:06:43pm

re: #101 Charles

He said: "Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, said Thursday that a bullet had been fired through a window at his campaign office "
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
How is that "false"?

132 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:07:02pm

The Onion's take on HCR...

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

133 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:07:14pm

re: #105 oaktree

What I've bolded makes a big difference once you shift from the theoretical into the reality.

And the fact that you quibbled marks how you don't understand how theory relates to experiment or what theory is.

Bullets are pretty aerodynamic. Air resistance is of course important for ballistics, but the effect is second order.

If you include air resistance, the bullet slows down. That would make its impact less bad. In the context of Cantor's lies, that also adds to why the impact on his window was just a graze.

134 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:07:15pm

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

It was artful, anyways. I'm just a bit annoyed at you (albeit artfully) supporting a meme I absolutely loathe.

You'll have to forgive my emotions, as a proper libtard I can't control them :D

135 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:07:18pm

re: #124 windsagio

LOL

Well I like the Center, in an oreo or a banana, doesn't matter.

BBL

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:07:27pm

re: #123 Ojoe

There are leftists that just cream in their jeans at the prospect of violence. They're sick, and their counterparts on the right are sick also.

Really, my experience has been more that leftists have learned that talking big about violence pulls chicks.

137 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:07:44pm

re: #128 ryannon

Or really TALL!

Where was Manute Bol? Does he have an alibi?

138 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:08:11pm

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

yeah note "It broke the pane, but didn't penetrate the blinds". That's not much force >>

139 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:08:15pm

re: #130 soap_man

I don't think that was a flounce. Just a polite farewell.

Same here.

140 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:08:29pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Real women prefer something from the Noncom series. The York is, of course, the most dominant brand, but many a discerning girl likes the Basilone for its rugged, enduring qualities and ability to get the job done.

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:08:49pm

re: #106 cliffster

Shift baby shift.

Don't hand me that load of shit. Your first response was to spin and defend this shit. When the facts didn't support you, you now shift to mock decency and outrage. I am disgusted.

142 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:08:52pm

re: #138 windsagio

yeah note "It broke the pane, but didn't penetrate the blinds". That's not much force >>

They were trying to shoot the lock off the window.

143 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:09:03pm

re: #131 captdiggs

He said: "Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, said Thursday that a bullet had been fired through a window at his campaign office "
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
How is that "false"?

Good grief.

The bullet was fired into the air.

Seriously -- are you honestly having trouble seeing why it's false to claim the bullet was fired through his window deliberately?

144 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:09:18pm

OK, here's a model of the proposed Eisenhower Memorial.

Architect is Frank Gehry or Gehry Partners, LLP.

Start complaining now because I know architectural designs of this sort always leads to a lot of genuflecting.

Glad they're doing this.

145 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:09:23pm

re: #135 Ojoe

haha no problem, just you can't equate the current round of craziness to anything on the left, and i'm about to lose my mud over the fact that people keep trying :p

146 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:09:33pm

re: #131 captdiggs

The bullet was fired. The bullet went through his window. The bullet wasn't fired through his window. That implies, clearly, that it was aimed and intended to hit the window.

It'd be more appropriate to say that a bullet fell through his window.

147 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:09:45pm

re: #142 Lateralis

downward? Damn!

148 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:05pm

re: #143 Charles

Good grief.

The bullet was fired into the air.

Seriously -- are you honestly having trouble seeing why it's false to claim the bullet was fired through his window deliberately?

You are asking partisans to use physics to see the truth.

We both know how well that goes.

149 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:14pm

re: #143 Charles

Good grief.

The bullet was fired into the air.

Seriously -- are you honestly having trouble seeing why it's false to claim the bullet was fired through his window deliberately?

When Cantor made the statements did he have knowledge of the police findings?

150 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:29pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

You can get almost anything on the ballot in SF. The difference between Berkeley and SF is that SF will vote down the weirder and more pointless stuff.

Who was it who made, or tried to make, San Francisco a "sanctuary" for military deserters, after 9/11?

151 soap_man  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:35pm

re: #146 Obdicut

The bullet was fired. The bullet went through his window. The bullet wasn't fired through his window. That implies, clearly, that it was aimed and intended to hit the window.

It'd be more appropriate to say that a bullet fell through his window.

Heh.

152 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:44pm

re: #145 windsagio

It see-saws back and forth I'll grant you that, at one time it was the weather underground.

Yes, BBL...

I should get to work...

153 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:51pm

re: #146 Obdicut

I think there was a period where he went from the shock of the occurrence to the political calculation. That transition is where the problem lies.

154 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:10:55pm

re: #149 Lateralis

When Cantor made the statements did he have knowledge of the police findings?

$64,0000 question

155 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:11:10pm

re: #149 Lateralis

When Cantor made the statements did he have knowledge of the police findings?

It doesn't matter whether he knew this already, although I strongly suspect he did.

The claim was completely false.

156 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:11:44pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

You are asking partisans to use physics to see the truth.

We both know how well that goes.

And your partisan take is he knew the conclusion the police investigation and went forward with the comments.

157 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:11:46pm

re: #149 Lateralis

When Cantor made the statements did he have knowledge of the police findings or was he talking out of his ass?

FTFY

158 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:11:56pm

re: #115 windsagio

I wonder about htis, couldn't you just not post? >>

Why not give a friendly farewell? Maybe a person has friends here and doesn't want to have people doing the "I wondered whatever happened
to . . . "

159 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:09pm

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

I have a bunch of experience stray bullet dynamics. This from designing and using stages from handgun and 3 gun competition. The bullet was obviously about spent, it takes very little energy to break glass, and then the blinds stopped it.

Either it was short range and a spent bullet came from a slingshot, or quite some distance and air resistance had taken their toll. We have no word on caliber either right? One can back track pretty well given angle, weight and likely speed.

160 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:18pm

re: #134 windsagio

It was artful, anyways. I'm just a bit annoyed at you (albeit artfully) supporting a meme I absolutely loathe.

You'll have to forgive my emotions, as a proper libtard I can't control them :D

I forgive you. Do you want me to clip and paste some of the wonderful comments attached to that article?

161 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:25pm

re: #143 Charles

Good grief.

The bullet was fired into the air.

Seriously -- are you honestly having trouble seeing why it's false to claim the bullet was fired through his window deliberately?

Somebody could have been a really, really, really good shot and shot from outside the city limits because they didn't want to break the law about firing a weapon inside the city, but wanted to send Cantor a message...
/

More likely scenario, some kid shooting at a squirrel or bird in a tree with his birthday present.

162 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:35pm

To me, as someone who hunts and shoots. "Fired through the window" means it was deliberately aimed and FIRED through the window. It was fired from 1/2 mile away and it ballistically came down through the window. If it had be fired at the window from 1/2 mile away with a sniper rifle, it would have busted the window and gone into the building. This was a random occurence.

163 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:35pm

re: #130 soap_man

I don't think that was a flounce. Just a polite farewell.

Eh, I suppose you are right...certainly polite. On one hand, I have never felt the need to make a "farewell post" on a message board (etc) I have lost interest in, but on the other hand I have never participated in one headed up by a personality like Charles either who also happens to wail on guitar. His debut on record (per Wikipedia anyway) Stanley Clarke's School Days has been in heavy rotation for some time over here.

164 soap_man  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:41pm

re: #152 Ojoe

It see-saws back and forth I'll grant you that, at one time it was the weather underground.

Yes, BBL...

I should get to work...

You know, all this back and forth of the craziness of the left and the craziness of the right make me pine for another option. I wish there was something more sane and middle-of-the-road available.

But where would I find it? I just don't know....

:)

165 cenotaphium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:44pm

re: #146 Obdicut

It'd be more appropriate to say that a bullet fell through his window.

"He ran into my outstretched fist". ;)

166 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:54pm

The bullet was apparently found less than a foot from the window, the window was not broken. It would have been pretty obvious that it was not fired directly into the window.

167 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:12:55pm

re: #149 Lateralis

When Cantor made the statements did he have knowledge of the police findings?

No...he was still hiding under his desk.

168 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:13:05pm

re: #149 Lateralis

When Cantor made the statements did he have knowledge of the police findings?

I'm sure he figured it out when he didn't have to buy a new set of blinds.

169 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:13:24pm

re: #158 Silvergirl

you could also just say "I won't be around anymore".

I mean its clearly not a big deal, but people take these things so seriously. Its just weird and overly final to me. Also unneccessary. Course, the guy can do what he wants.

170 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:13:30pm

re: #166 Charles

One report says broke the glass and then the blinds stopped it. Obviously not a direct hit.

171 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:13:39pm

re: #155 Charles

It doesn't matter whether he knew this already, although I strongly suspect he did.

The claim was completely false.

Do you really believe that?

He's a manipulative liar whether or not he knew it may not have been deliberate?

172 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:13:48pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Lol I'll pass, I can read them on my own if I want :p

173 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:31pm

I was wondering if Rep Cantor was going to call for gun control.
//

174 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:33pm

re: #171 Joo-LiZ

Do you really believe that?

He's a manipulative liar whether or not he knew it may not have been deliberate?

I did not write anything like that.

175 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:36pm

re: #156 Lateralis

And your partisan take is he knew the conclusion the police investigation and went forward with the comments.

You're not doing much better... you consider remarks like "They were trying to shoot the lock off the window" to carry any more truth to it than some of the other remarks you are complaining about. Really, it's crap like yours that makes conservatives look bad. And I don't like to look bad, so cut the shit.

176 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:40pm

re: #131 captdiggs

He said: "Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, said Thursday that a bullet had been fired through a window at his campaign office "
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
How is that "false"?

They are taking several unrelated events and trying to tie them together.

1) A bullet hit a window

2) This event happened after the health care vote.

These 2 events are in no way related factually to the statement Cantor later made about partisan attacks and threats as a political weapon. He took a coincidence and used it as a platform for his own political reasons.

177 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:42pm

re: #55 drcordell

Eisenhower was quite possibly the greatest President our nation has ever had IMHO.

Hmm, what about those guys on Mt. Rushmore?

Ike was definitely underrated as Prez, but I think his real greatness was during the War.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:46pm

re: #142 Lateralis

They were trying to shoot the lock off the window.

Missed, and gave up. Flew away with their jetpack.

179 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:14:50pm

San Francisco is a mad city--inhabited for the most part by
perfectly insane people whose women are of remarkable beauty.
-- Rudyard Kipling, _From Sea to Sea_, 1889


San Francisco is perhaps the most European of all American cities.
-- Cecil Beaton, _It Gives Me Great Pleasure_, 1955

When you get tired of walking around San Francisco, you can always lean against it.
-- Transword Getaway Guide, _San Francisco_, 1975-6

180 soap_man  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:15:18pm

re: #166 Charles

The bullet was apparently found less than a foot from the window, the window was not broke. It would have been pretty obvious that it was not fired directly into the window.

I'm no expert here, but I think if it was fired through the window the bullet would end up lodged in a wall or piece of furniture.

If Cantor really thought somebody aimed at the window, he must have thought that person was using the worst gun ever.

181 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:15:25pm

re: #155 Charles

It doesn't matter whether he knew this already, although I strongly suspect he did.

The claim was completely false.

It does matter. re: #175 Walter L. Newton

You're not doing much better... you consider remarks like "They were trying to shoot the lock off the window" to carry any more truth to it than some of the other remarks you are complaining about. Really, it's crap like yours that makes conservatives look bad. And I don't like to look bad, so cut the shit.

It was a joke, chill out.

182 captdiggs  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:15:30pm

re: #155 Charles

"although I strongly suspect he did."

But you don't know, and you don't know the outcome of the investigation.
Yet, because he's a republican he's automatically a liar.
Reminds me of the strong suspicions that the tea party was behind the suicide of the census worker in Kentucky.

183 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:15:47pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

You could say that those posts are part of a liberal plot to make conservatives look bad >>>

;)

184 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:16:03pm

re: #156 Lateralis

And your partisan take is he knew the conclusion the police investigation and went forward with the comments.

MY supposition is that if someone shot at my window, I would want to know the facts immediately. I would consider it minimal responsibility as a public official to make certain that any statement I made on the topic was factual - and hence get the facts first, if only for that reason. Hell, I might even look at the window myself!

But let's say your utter incompetence defense is true. He still used this as a vehicle to diminish and degrade other quite real attacks on his fellow elected representatives and still made it into a callow and contrived political play for completely self serving reasons and he still is trying to deflect from the very real guilt the GOP has for whipping this stuff up.

185 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:16:40pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

I have a bunch of experience stray bullet dynamics. This from designing and using stages from handgun and 3 gun competition. The bullet was obviously about spent, it takes very little energy to break glass, and then the blinds stopped it.

Either it was short range and a spent bullet came from a slingshot, or quite some distance and air resistance had taken their toll. We have no word on caliber either right? One can back track pretty well given angle, weight and likely speed.

Absolutely.

186 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:16:59pm

re: #182 captdiggs

"although I strongly suspect he did."

But you don't know, and you don't know the outcome of the investigation.
Yet, because he's a republican he's automatically a liar.
Reminds me of the strong suspicions that the tea party was behind the suicide of the census worker in Kentucky.

Please point out the post or comment in which I said Cantor was a "liar."

Hint: you can't. The straw men flying around in here are getting very tiresome.

187 countrockulot  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:17:31pm

re: #108 HC4BO

Since it was a downwards shot, MAYBE the vandal was doing a fly-by ... !

Wait a minute! Did Eric Cantor get a visit from a CENSUS WORKER!!!!11

188 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:17:46pm

re: #171 Joo-LiZ

Do you really believe that?

He's a manipulative liar whether or not he knew it may not have been deliberate?

I give you the same reply I gave to the other poster.

MY supposition is that if someone shot at my window, I would want to know the facts immediately. I would consider it minimal responsibility as a public official to make certain that any statement I made on the topic was factual - and hence get the facts first, if only for that reason. Hell, I might even look at the window myself!

But let's say your utter incompetence defense is true. He still used this as a vehicle to diminish and degrade other quite real attacks on his fellow elected representatives and still made it into a callow and contrived political play for completely self serving reasons and he still is trying to deflect from the very real guilt the GOP has for whipping this stuff up.

189 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:17:48pm

re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote

Shift baby shift.

Don't hand me that load of shit. Your first response was to spin and defend this shit. When the facts didn't support you, you now shift to mock decency and outrage. I am disgusted.

Uhhh, that point is the one I've been making for the last two days. I got into an argument with several posters yesterday afternoon about it. I have not changed from that position. And I won't change from that position.

190 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:17:58pm

re: #182 captdiggs


Yet, because he's a republican he's automatically a liar.

Cantor's a prick who doesn't have a sincere bone in his body. He's been party to some of the biggest lies about health care reform this past year. THAT makes him a liar.

191 captdiggs  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:17:58pm

re: #186 Charles

That's implied in "completely false".

192 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:18:03pm

re: #166 Charles

I thought the window was broken, but that the blinds weren't.

193 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:18:43pm

re: #191 captdiggs

That's implied in "completely false".

Whatever. It's pointless to argue with you about it. Believe what you like.

194 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:18:47pm

re: #182 captdiggs

"although I strongly suspect he did."

But you don't know, and you don't know the outcome of the investigation.
Yet, because he's a republican he's automatically a liar.
Reminds me of the strong suspicions that the tea party was behind the suicide of the census worker in Kentucky.

No but I am calling him a liar and we all know he did lie on many levels.

Charles is being diplomatic. I am not sure why. However, I feel no need to be so merciful when the facts are so very clear.

195 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:19:02pm

re: #187 countrockulot

Wait a minute! Did Eric Cantor get a visit from a CENSUS WORKER!!!11

I will never be able to hear the words census worker & not think of fava beans...

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:19:03pm

re: #150 The Sanity Inspector

Who was it who made, or tried to make, San Francisco a "sanctuary" for military deserters, after 9/11?

I have no idea, this doesn't ring a bell. I believe some such resolution was passed back in 91, but could be mistaken.

197 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:19:16pm

Sounds like this story is still shaking out.

198 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:19:22pm

re: #174 Charles

I did not write anything like that.

This and the previous thread are examples of hearing what you want to hear.

If Cantor knew, he's a liar (not unlike the rest of them).

In a democracy, violence is not an acceptable form of expression- it is a crime, wherever it comes from- and there is enough evidence to go round that criminals cover the spectrum. It is a most diverse group.

Too many people wants to find a reason to make violence political. It isn't- it's criminal.

199 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:19:52pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I have no idea, this doesn't ring a bell. I believe some such resolution was passed back in 91, but could be mistaken.

Maybe that was it.

200 captdiggs  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:20:31pm

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

"Diplomatic" would be something like: "Cantor's office may not have been target"

201 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:20:35pm

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

I think him being conservative (in the posting sense) and diplomatic is probably what keeps this place from ending up like Kos.

You have to be gracious when you're the host :P

202 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:20:40pm

re: #187 countrockulot

Linking to infowars may not be appreciated, however,

Still, it is clear the NWO watched Star Trek and took notes.

...that's funny.

203 soap_man  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:20:45pm

Fox News has yet to update their story:

Cantor said "a bullet was shot through the window" of his campaign office. The incident happened Monday, Fox News has learned, the latest in a rash of apparent threats and acts of intimidation against members of Congress.

BBL

204 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:21:05pm

re: #200 captdiggs

(can't resist)

No, that would be bad grammar.

205 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:21:09pm

Update: Coffin was not place on lawn...

"Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) had a coffin placed “near his home,” a spokesman said Wednesday evening. "

"-Editor’s Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the coffin was placed in front of Carnahan’s house and not on his lawn."

[Link: www.politico.com...]

206 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:21:28pm

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

No but I am calling him a liar and we all know he did lie on many levels.

Charles is being diplomatic. I am not sure why. However, I feel no need to be so merciful when the facts are so very clear.

Not being diplomatic, actually. I strongly suspect Cantor knew the truth about this, that it was completely random, when he shamelessly used it to try to excuse and divert attention from the threats and violence directed at Democrats.

I don't know for sure that he lied, but I do know that it was a pretty shabby political snowjob even if he didn't know the bullet had been fired into the air at random.

207 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:21:34pm

re: #169 windsagio

you could also just say "I won't be around anymore".

I mean its clearly not a big deal, but people take these things so seriously. Its just weird and overly final to me. Also unneccessary. Course, the guy can do what he wants.

No you cannot say "I won't be around anymore." Not without all the accompanying shouts for "charcoal" and innuendo about the "Class of 2004" and the usual. A guy decides to be a little different. I thought you appreciated different. No rule against saying good-bye politely. And yes, he can do what he wants, though there will always be second guessing, as you did.

208 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:13pm

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

Update: Coffin was not place on lawn...

"Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) had a coffin placed “near his home,” a spokesman said Wednesday evening. "

"-Editor’s Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the coffin was placed in front of Carnahan’s house and not on his lawn."

[Link: www.politico.com...]

And that's another completely meaningless detail that changes the story not one bit.

209 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:15pm

re: #203 soap_man

Fox News has yet to update their story:

BBL

I guess that means he'll be voting "No" on the Health Care Bill as a direct result of this violently lobbed piece of lead.

INTIMIDATION WORKS! (On Cantor)

210 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:20pm

"DROP DEAD": White Powder Package Sent to Rep. Weiner's Office

[Link: www.nbcnewyork.com...]

211 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:43pm

re: #208 Charles

It does show they were smart enough to not get nailed for trespassing :p

212 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:22:46pm

re: #206 Charles

Not being diplomatic, actually. I strongly suspect Cantor knew the truth about this, that it was completely random, when he shamelessly used it to try to excuse and divert attention from the threats and violence directed at Democrats.

I don't know for sure that he lied, but I do know that it was a pretty shabby political snowjob even if he didn't know the bullet had been fired into the air at random.

Fair enough.

213 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:23:12pm

re: #208 Charles

And that's another completely meaningless detail that changes the story not one bit.

I know. Still a terrible display of crazy, just thought we'd like to get the details as exact as we could.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:23:16pm

re: #208 Charles

And that's another completely meaningless detail that changes the story not one bit.

It may make a difference in terms of whether they're cited for littering, or for leaving junk on someone else's property.

/

215 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:23:22pm

Since the bullet was in a downward trajectory that indicates it was shot from a Black Helicopter™.

/Removes tinfoil hat.

/

216 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:23:49pm

re: #166 Charles

The bullet was apparently found less than a foot from the window, the window was not broke. It would have been pretty obvious that it was not fired directly into the window.

The story you quoted at the top of this post says it DID break the windowpane.

re: #174 Charles

I did not write anything like that.

I think it is implied that he lied in your saying that it "turned out to be completely false". At least, many people reading will infer it.

Also, it seems to me like there is an expectation that he had seen it/gotten the information first hand -- I could well be wrong, but my understanding is he probably got a call from a staffer at that office, which is not in DC, and was told of the incident.

re: #184 LudwigVanQuixote

MY supposition is that if someone shot at my window, I would want to know the facts immediately. I would consider it minimal responsibility as a public official to make certain that any statement I made on the topic was factual - and hence get the facts first, if only for that reason. Hell, I might even look at the window myself!

There is only so much a person can do in a day. He's got to rely on his staffers for information to a large extent. I think, especially in this climate, to expect him to drive down from DC to Richmond to look at it himself is unreasonable.

Clearly, not many here are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and instead jump to the opposite conclusion.
I'm done for now. I can see I am well out-numbered.

217 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:24:13pm

re: #215 Gus 802

this post brings up an interesting thing.

how did the / usually used for emotes end up being used as the 'sarc tag'?

218 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:24:44pm

re: #217 windsagio

this post brings up an interesting thing.

how did the / usually used for emotes end up being used as the 'sarc tag'?

Got me. Someone else should know.

219 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:24:57pm

re: #217 windsagio

this post brings up an interesting thing.

how did the / usually used for emotes end up being used as the 'sarc tag'?

My guess is people got tired of typing out '/sarcasm'

220 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:25:15pm

re: #219 darthstar

probably a good call, at that.

221 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:25:31pm

re: #7 recusancy

If a Democratic Congressman made the same claim, his lack of knowledge of guns and ballistics would be roundly ridiculed by Republicans and his manhood, in general, would be questioned. Instead we’re going to see wall-to-wall “threats of violence affecting both parties” stories.

Gun-culture legend Elmer Keith was a master of long range pistol shooting, demonstrating for example that it was possible to hit a one foot target with a .45 ACP pistol at 600 yards range. Since bullet drop at that range is something like a hundred feet, this would obviously take a lot of elevation (ie raising the barrel above the line of sight). That is in fact how artillery works, the big guns don't fire their projectiles at higher velocities than small arms, they just have precise elevation controls that allow them to be reliably fired at distant targets. The lower drag of the larger projectiles relative to their kinetic energy also makes a big difference but in a vacuum a pistol or rifle bullet would travel as far as an artillery shell with the same elevation and initial velocity.
This is why bullets fired at random are so dangerous, they can travel enormous distances. The angle of elevation becomes the angle of descent (with some additions for drag) at the other end, so it's a pretty safe bet that a bullet arriving at a noticeably negative angle of impact was probably not deliberately aimed at whatever it ended up hitting. It either came from an aircraft (black helicopter?) or it was fired from a long way off.

222 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:25:41pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Since the bullet was in a downward trajectory that indicates it was shot from a Black Helicopter™.

/Removes tinfoil hat.

/

the butler window washer did it...

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:25:58pm

re: #216 Joo-LiZ

Ummm there are more important things in your life then people shooting at you? Also, I am sure it takes time to set up a press meeting. The very press meeting he set up to smear Dems with. The language he used in that meeting is the most damning evidence that of course he knew there was nothing to it.

224 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:26:01pm

re: #206 Charles

Not being diplomatic, actually. I strongly suspect Cantor knew the truth about this, that it was completely random, when he shamelessly used it to try to excuse and divert attention from the threats and violence directed at Democrats.

I don't know for sure that he lied, but I do know that it was a pretty shabby political snowjob even if he didn't know the bullet had been fired into the air at random.

He didn't make a huge issue of the bullet in the office. He said that people in Congress get threats and that it's unacceptable. He then said, I've gotten threats, a bullet went into my office this morning, and that he's received threatening emails in the past. It's not like he held a giant press conference about getting his office shot up, which is what a lot of people seem to think.

I really wish he hadn't gone into Democrats "fanning the flames" by blaming Republicans for the threats. I liked a lot of what he said in his statement, but I wish he'd just left it at "let's quit this blaming each other bit - we all get threats, and it always sucks".

225 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:26:24pm

Funny quote from Jed Lewison over at dKos, "Next thing you know, Cantor will be claiming a backwards B was carved in his face."

226 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:26:26pm

Continuing the Frum saga - here's a quote from Bruce Bartlett, relating what Frum told him about the American Enterprise Institute:

Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI "scholars" on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

Bruce Bartlett

227 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:26:44pm

re: #224 cliffster

He didn't make a huge issue of the bullet in the office. He said that people in Congress get threats and that it's unacceptable. He then said, I've gotten threats, a bullet went into my office this morning, and that he's received threatening emails in the past. It's not like he held a giant press conference about getting his office shot up, which is what a lot of people seem to think.

I really wish he hadn't gone into Democrats "fanning the flames" by blaming Republicans for the threats. I liked a lot of what he said in his statement, but I wish he'd just left it at "let's quit this blaming each other bit - we all get threats, and it always sucks".

So your argument is that if the bullet wasn't found in his office the press conference would have been held anyway? Bull. Shit.

228 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:27:04pm

re: #219 darthstar

My guess is people got tired of typing out '/sarcasm'

Wasn't it "/s" for a while?

229 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:27:15pm

I know that a lot of folks don't like the slant of Daily Kos, but they have a interesting compilation of a whole lot of the far right-wing craziness going on as of late, including the contents of a recent email that he was forwarded by what he calls a 'whacko uncle'. Normally, I'd take this sort of thing with a rather large grain of salt, but given the on-air statements by guys like Jim Hoft and Mike Vanderboegh, I'm not nearly as skeptical as I typically would be.

UPDATE X5 (WHITE POWDER TO WEINER): The crazy right is mobilizing... This sh*t is getting scary

FW: fw: fw: Lock 'n Load

MY FRIENDS,

The time has come to take action into our own hands! The washington democrats no longer represent the people of America and its time we take action to stop these socialists before they ruin this great nation. Obamacare took this to the next level, as now we are no longer dealing with just socialists, but murderers. Under these new laws, the unborn will be slaughtered by the thousands, the elderly will be killed based on their "perceived" value to society. THIS MUST STOP

So what can we do, they took away our voice, they took away our rights. But we still have force. We are angry and we can fight. Keep your arms hidden, and keep many of them. If you don't have any, buy while you still can. We will hit them where it hurts and we will do it together. They cannot stop a network of us when we fight as one, so be prepared.

We fight back in the name of Gods children and all others who will suffer due to our dictators demands. Those lives are worth the same as the arrogant men and women who sit in our capital, and we are prepared to prove it.

There have been some great stories about bricks being thrown, calls being made, and gas lines being cut. Good. We should keep it up, pay a visit to any Dems in your area who voted for it. Use this email as a thread to exchange their personal contact information so we can keep getting to them. They can't stop us, and they have waged a war they will not win.

If they won't listen to us, we will make them listen. Damn it, this is our country, and I would sooner die than see it continue to fall at the hands of these murderers. Whose with me? Who will stand with me, and be prepared to fight when the time comes? Lock 'n load my friends, we're taking our country back, one dirtbag at a time if we have to.

God bless

230 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:27:52pm

re: #200 captdiggs

if the bullet was fired into the air - other than a crop duster or albatross, there was no target.

231 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:28:05pm

re: #227 drcordell

So your argument is that if the bullet wasn't found in his office the press conference would have been held anyway? Bull. Shit.

Yes, it would have. He's one of the leaders in Congress, and he was making a statement. It's what they do.

232 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:28:21pm

re: #217 windsagio

We've been using / for sarcasm for at least 3 years. As to how it started...damned if I know.

233 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:28:45pm

re: #229 RadicalModerate

Lock 'n load my friends, we're taking our country back, one dirtbag at a time if we have to.

They're going after Banjo players now?

(reference for the above: What's the difference between a vacuum cleaner and a banjo? You can pull the dirtbag off a vacuum cleaner.)

234 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:28:47pm

Mildly surprised here, that no one's made any "single bullet theory" jibes so far...

235 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:29:01pm

re: #229 RadicalModerate

I know that a lot of folks don't like the slant of Daily Kos, but they have a interesting compilation of a whole lot of the far right-wing craziness going on as of late, including the contents of a recent email that he was forwarded by what he calls a 'whacko uncle'. Normally, I'd take this sort of thing with a rather large grain of salt, but given the on-air statements by guys like Jim Hoft and Mike Vanderboegh, I'm not nearly as skeptical as I typically would be.

UPDATE X5 (WHITE POWDER TO WEINER): The crazy right is mobilizing... This sh*t is getting scary

The administration needs to put a stop to this right now, before it gets out of hand.

236 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:29:08pm

re: #226 Stanley Sea

Continuing the Frum saga - here's a quote from Bruce Bartlett, relating what Frum told him about the American Enterprise Institute:

Bruce Bartlett

I think it was the how to pay for it that was the real issue. Reform is inevitable.

Personally, i wish the whole program were more gradual with a staggered roll in. Give us a chance to work out the kinks. We're talking government managed here...

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:29:30pm

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

The administration needs to put a stop to this right now, before it gets out of hand.

How the hell is the administration to 'put a stop to this'?

238 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:29:37pm

re: #230 wozzablog

if the bullet was fired into the air - other than a crop duster or albatross, there was no target.

could have been fired up at someone by someone else who had just been knocked down...

239 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:29:39pm

re: #79 Obdicut

There's gotta be a little stubby one called "The Bradley".

And one with huge brass balls called "The Patton".

/rimshot

240 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:05pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe he's hoping one of the lefties will agree and suggest martial law >>

241 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:08pm

re: #231 cliffster

Press release would have done the job -

police investigating, time of heightend tentions, not jump to conclusions, everyone stay calm. Update to follow.

And he doesn't end up looking like as ass that way when we all find out that there is no there there.

242 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:24pm

re: #146 Obdicut

The bullet was fired. The bullet went through his window. The bullet wasn't fired through his window. That implies, clearly, that it was aimed and intended to hit the window.

It'd be more appropriate to say that a bullet fell through his window.

Help me out, We have one damaged grill and a bullet falling through a window. Am I still supposed to be afraid?

243 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:30pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

One other possibility-a spent bullet and a slingshot. This is how gun hoaxes are done.

244 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:39pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

How the hell is the administration to 'put a stop to this'?

Open up the FEMA camps!

/

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:42pm

re: #240 windsagio

Maybe he's hoping one of the lefties will agree and suggest martial law >>

I'm not so sure that's not where this is going, my apologies to Walter if I'm completely off base.

246 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:43pm

re: #144 Gus 802

OK, here's a model of the proposed Eisenhower Memorial.

Architect is Frank Gehry or Gehry Partners, LLP.

Start complaining now because I know architectural designs of this sort always leads to a lot of genuflecting.

Glad they're doing this.

I cringed when I first heard the architect was Frank Gehry. He's known for buildings like this. And this. Kinda cool, but maybe not really appropriate for an Eisenhower memorial.

But the actual design is pretty good, with some of Gehry's characteristic flair, but still subdued and respectful for a war hero/president.

247 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:30:55pm

I know! Lets spend 200 posts wondering about how badly a window was broken and if the blinds were jostled or slight askew, by comparing 30 different articles from different sources, and use that to hurl insults at each other, rather than focus on the fact the Police report basically confirms that a random window was accidentally damaged by a stray bullet, WHICH COMPLETELY BY COINCIDENCE, was the office of a politician.

Cantor probably thought to himself "JACKPOT!" when he heard he had a busted window.

I dont give a rats ass if he was a R, D, I or whatever. He is a politician, looking to get in the news.

248 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:01pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

How the hell is the administration to 'put a stop to this'?

Obama could resign, then Biden, then Pelosi, then all the other Democrats, giving the GOP full control. Short of that, it's out of their hands.

249 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:07pm

re: #235 Walter L. Newton
The only the thing the admin needs to do is ensure all threats are investigated seriously and that is the AGs job. Don't give the nutjobs anymore excuses for madness.

250 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:20pm

re: #219 darthstar

My guess is people got tired of typing out '/sarcasm'

Good call.

/fark

251 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:31pm

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

One other possibility-a spent bullet and a slingshot. This is how gun hoaxes are done.

/drives the CSIs crazy!

252 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:38pm

re: #238 brookly red

I can't stand up for falling down.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:46pm

re: #242 RogueOne

Help me out, We have one damaged grill and a bullet falling through a window. Am I still supposed to be afraid?

I think 'fear' would be getting ahead of ourselves.

I just don't want to see what kind of craziness gets whipped up in the next couple of weeks.

254 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:31:54pm

re: #252 wozzablog

Falling down Drunk?

255 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:32:37pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

I think 'fear' would be getting ahead of ourselves.

I just don't want to see what kind of craziness gets whipped up in the next couple of weeks.

Shhh, you'll scare away the fish.

256 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:32:42pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

How the hell is the administration to 'put a stop to this'?

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not so sure that's not where this is going, my apologies to Walter if I'm completely off base.

I've been trying to think of a name for the phenomenon of Walter throwing something out there that doesn't seem--quite right, but well-aimed to get a reaction. I think I'll call it a Newtron Bomb.

257 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:32:51pm

re: #240 windsagio

Maybe he's hoping one of the lefties will agree and suggest martial law >>

I would hope no one would suggest that. I think the president needs to make some address to the nation, now. I think he can warn the nation that he is putting an extra effort in tracing the sources of these phone calls and threats. There is a lot of LEGAL things he can do and inform the nation what he is doing.

That's what I am suggesting.

258 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:32:55pm

re: #241 wozzablog

Press release would have done the job -

And he doesn't end up looking like as ass that way when we all find out that there is no there there.

You're missing the point. It was not a press conference about a bullet in his window. He mentioned that in like 5 words of his statement. It was a statement saying, "we all condemn the violence, let's quit blaming each other" statement.

259 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:33:23pm

From the Fox News Article linked in the previous thread:

Cantor said "a bullet was shot through the window" of his campaign office.

Could someone please refer me to where Cantor said his office was "targeted"?

260 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:33:58pm

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

One other possibility-a spent bullet and a slingshot. This is how gun hoaxes are done.

I was actually going to suggest that myself. The velocity was too slow for the bullet to do damage to the office...sure, it broke the glass, but to only break the glass and then get stopped by the blinds? Call H from Miami CSI...he'll figure this out in 45 minutes.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:34:01pm

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

I would hope no one would suggest that. I think the president needs to make some address to the nation, now. I think he can warn the nation that he is putting an extra effort in tracing the sources of these phone calls and threats. There is a lot of LEGAL things he can do and inform the nation what he is doing.

That's what I am suggesting.

You think that would lead to anything except increased agitation among the nuts and berries? I don't.

262 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:34:09pm

re: #254 windsagio

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

263 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:34:17pm

re: #258 cliffster

You're missing the point. It was not a press conference about a bullet in his window. He mentioned that in like 5 words of his statement. It was a statement saying, "we all condemn the violence, let's quit blaming each other" statement.

But he just can't let on that essentially all the violence and craziness is on one side, and disingenuously (at best) used the brief mention of the bullet to make it look equivalent.

264 cenotaphium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:34:39pm

re: #230 wozzablog

if the bullet was fired into the air - other than a crop duster or albatross, there was no target.

You've never done trick shooting? Throw a target in the air and try to hit it. Very fun. There's just the trouble with finding an area where that's safe to do. Not everyone will do that (or understand why it's necessary).

Anyway, here's some trick shootin'.

265 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:35:02pm

re: #258 cliffster

You're missing the point. It was not a press conference about a bullet in his window. He mentioned that in like 5 words of his statement. It was a statement saying, "we all condemn the violence, let's quit blaming each other" statement.

Stop being anti-idiotarian!

266 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:35:06pm

re: #242 RogueOne

We have one intentionally hostile act and one random accident. They're not equivalent.

267 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:35:06pm

OT..have Beck on in the background for entertainment value. I disagree with his statement on eco-terrorists. I'd like to have a U-boat and go after whalers. I like whales.

268 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:35:24pm

re: #261 SanFranciscoZionist

You think that would lead to anything except increased agitation among the nuts and berries? I don't.

If only it'd work -- call Beck/Palin/Limbaugh & co. and have THEM make an address to the nation to calm the f*ck down and VOTE in November!

269 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:35:35pm

re: #246 palomino

I cringed when I first heard the architect was Frank Gehry. He's known for buildings like this. And this. Kinda cool, but maybe not really appropriate for an Eisenhower memorial.

But the actual design is pretty good, with some of Gehry's characteristic flair, but still subdued and respectful for a war hero/president.

I kind of like the first one of the samples you linked. Not the second. I never could develop a liking for post-modern architecture. The model of the memorial might be little light. The first photo of the model seems a little weak but the last two in an elevation view look pretty good. It would have been nice to see a traditional marble memorial but those days are long gone for many reasons.

270 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:36:02pm

re: #264 cenotaphium

I have to admit, I find the idea that a world-class marksman came out and did a trick-shot into Cantors window utterly charming. That he could aim it so high that it wouldn't even go through the shade, makes it all the more impressive!

That guy must be the greatest shooter in the world!

271 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:36:33pm

re: #246 palomino

I cringed when I first heard the architect was Frank Gehry. He's known for buildings like this. And this. Kinda cool, but maybe not really appropriate for an Eisenhower memorial.

But the actual design is pretty good, with some of Gehry's characteristic flair, but still subdued and respectful for a war hero/president.

I like the Portland Building he did (in Oregon) but I have to admit, the interior has all the charm of an indoor pool's locker room.

272 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:36:46pm

The only way to fix this mess.


273 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:37:20pm

re: #258 cliffster

Which - when there is no there there and given the lack of guns openly brandished on the left & his refusal to release any even unspecific threats is kind of an empty gesture on his part.

He won't make the right wing crazies less crazy by saying

"everybody calm down - oh and by the way there was bullet through my window"

And the guy has burned so many bridges in his life i don't exactly think anyone on the other side is going to pay much heed from holding hemp sit ins and knitting peace bangles.

274 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:37:52pm

re: #270 windsagio

I have to admit, I find the idea that a world-class marksman came out and did a trick-shot into Cantors window utterly charming. That he could aim it so high that it wouldn't even go through the shade, makes it all the more impressive!

That guy must be the greatest shooter in the world!

If the glass in his window was just the right strength and thickness, someone could have shot a bullet at the window, and it could have had just enough force to barely eke through the glass, and drop onto the windowsill.

275 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:38:25pm

re: #270 windsagio

I have to admit, I find the idea that a world-class marksman came out and did a trick-shot into Cantors window utterly charming. That he could aim it so high that it wouldn't even go through the shade, makes it all the more impressive!

That guy must be the greatest shooter in the world!

when I was a kid my dad would impress us by lighting Ohio Blue Tips at 10 paces...

276 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:38:29pm

re: #274 cliffster

That's like super-hero level skill with a pistol.

Do we have real superheros?

277 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:38:37pm

re: #264 cenotaphium

You've never done trick shooting? Throw a target in the air and try to hit it. Very fun. There's just the trouble with finding an area where that's safe to do. Not everyone will do that (or understand why it's necessary).

Anyway, here's some trick shootin'.


[Video]

Yup speed of light is ALMOST as fast him. Comes close, but not quite!

/

278 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:38:49pm

re: #275 brookly red

HST loved to try to do that.

279 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:39:21pm

re: #270 windsagio

I have to admit, I find the idea that a world-class marksman came out and did a trick-shot into Cantors window utterly charming. That he could aim it so high that it wouldn't even go through the shade, makes it all the more impressive!

That guy must be the greatest shooter in the world!

Obviously, you haven't seen Wanted.

280 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:39:24pm

re: #276 windsagio

Obama.................

(and now we wait..................)

281 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:39:31pm

Why don't they just show us a picture of the damage? I don't understand this at all. The whole announcement by Cantor and then no follow up. "Let's talk about it but not talk it!" Weird.

282 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:39:54pm

re: #191 captdiggs

That's implied in "completely false".

What's "shameless" and "completely false" is Cantor's use of this issue to score points and draw equivalency to other attacks...when he doesn't even yet know the facts as stated in the police report.

283 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:39:57pm

re: #276 windsagio

That's like super-hero level skill with a pistol.

Do we have real superheros?

/raises hand

285 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:40:01pm

re: #280 wozzablog

Freakin' brilliant!

286 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:40:06pm

re: #276 windsagio

That's like super-hero level skill with a pistol.

Do we have real superheros?

I saw Hancock for the first time a couple of nights ago. It sucked less than what people tried to tell me.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:40:09pm

re: #270 windsagio

I have to admit, I find the idea that a world-class marksman came out and did a trick-shot into Cantors window utterly charming. That he could aim it so high that it wouldn't even go through the shade, makes it all the more impressive!

That guy must be the greatest shooter in the world!

And he went after Eric Cantor's office...how strange...they must know each other, this great shooter and the congressman.

288 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:40:22pm

re: #266 Obdicut

We have one intentionally hostile act and one random accident. They're not equivalent.

So I shouldn't be afraid of falling bullets but I should lock up my grill and keep a watch out for people praying for me. That sounds reasonable.

289 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:40:50pm

re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist

the NRA have a secret handshake........

290 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:41:02pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

I like him when he's feisty :D

291 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:41:34pm

re: #289 wozzablog
Who told you?! /

292 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:41:54pm

re: #289 wozzablog

the NRA have a secret handshake...

I heard they use the same handshake as the SPLC.

/

293 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:42:18pm

re: #290 windsagio

Yeah, he does well when he's fired up. He also does well when his opponents are idiots. Republicans are making it easy for him.

294 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:42:42pm

re: #292 Gus 802

I heard they use the same handshake as the SPLC.

/

For $29.95 they'll show it to you.

295 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:42:49pm

re: #260 darthstar

I was actually going to suggest that myself. The velocity was too slow for the bullet to do damage to the office...sure, it broke the glass, but to only break the glass and then get stopped by the blinds? Call H from Miami CSI...he'll figure this out in 45 minutes.

Maybe the blinds were open. The bullet then travelled into the room at high speed, causing the blinds to close as the bullet passed. The projectile then bounced back off the tempered steel mezzuzah on Cantor's door, and landed on the floor below the window.

296 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:42:51pm

re: #288 RogueOne

So I shouldn't be afraid of falling bullets but I should lock up my grill and keep a watch out for people praying for me. That sounds reasonable.

If you want to worry about completely random acts which you have no control of what so ever, please, be my guest. Conversely, if you choose not to exercise prudent caution over your own personal safety when threats have been made against you, again, its all you.

297 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:42:54pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

I am dissapointed tho', couldn't find the heckler bit, searching!

298 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:43:33pm

I gotta say I am disappointed, all these posts & not one Dick Cheney joke...

299 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:43:47pm

re: #267 pingjockey

OT..have Beck on in the background for entertainment value. I disagree with his statement on eco-terrorists. I'd like to have a U-boat and go after whalers. I like whales.

I'm of a similar mind regarding the Japanese whalers. They are doing damage to threatened species and I hope they get put out of business.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:43:49pm

re: #297 windsagio

I am dissapointed tho', couldn't find the heckler bit, searching!

Here: Obama Confronts Heckler Demanding Public Option
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

301 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:44:07pm

re: #298 brookly red

Most of us are tired of Bush/Cheney :p

302 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:44:16pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Awesome thanks :)

303 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:44:24pm

Another note on the utter incompetence defense.

MY supposition is that if someone shot at my window, I would want to know the facts immediately. Why? Well not just for my own safety, but for the safety of the people who worked for me. Right if my office were actually attacked, I need to know all the details as soon as possible in order to keep my people safe and determine when they can start work again.

So if you are making the utter incompetence defense - that he did not know the report before he shot his mouth off in a partisan attack on Dems, then you are also saying that he cared more for using this as a political tool than for the safety of his own people.

Now that is something I can believe about the GOP. Thank you guys for condemning this putz even more than I could have.

304 ryannon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:45:02pm

re: #271 wrenchwench

I like the Portland Building he did (in Oregon) but I have to admit, the interior has all the charm of an indoor pool's locker room.

The first this (the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao) totally revitalized a dying post-industrial city (think little Detroit). No mean feat: Gehry is one of the very best 20th/21st century architects.

305 cenotaphium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:45:24pm

re: #294 RogueOne

For $29.95 they'll show it to you.

Sounds like some of my best dates!

306 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:45:29pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

He said "3 to 6 months from now you won't notice any difference at your doctors office"(paraphrased). Isn't this pretty much a "no crap" statement since if you don't have insurance you still won't have it for roughly 3 more years? The only thing we're going to notice for the next 3 years is the higher pricing.

307 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:45:34pm

re: #298 brookly red

A large part of satire died when that happened. Nobody could top "He shot an old man in the face"

308 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:45:46pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Here: Obama Confronts Heckler Demanding Public Option
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Still not a fan of his. I'm glad he's defending his views, but I can't root for him.

309 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:46:23pm

re: #305 cenotaphium

Sounds like some of my best dates!

SMACK!

310 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:46:45pm

re: #296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you want to worry about completely random acts which you have no control of what so ever, please, be my guest. Conversely, if you choose not to exercise prudent caution over your own personal safety when threats have been made against you, again, its all you.

Reminds me of the guy killed by the plane on Hilton Head.

311 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:47:09pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I'm of a similar mind regarding the Japanese whalers. They are doing damage to threatened species and I hope they get put out of business.

I'm ok with whales. I don't want to be anywhere near them - no offense to whales. But I don't want them hunted into extinction.

312 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:47:10pm

re: #307 wozzablog
As a hunter, that bugged me to no end. You don't shoot unless and until you have a clear target. I have no idea of what in hell was going on.

313 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:47:18pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

the smack is an extra $30

314 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:47:33pm

re: #306 RogueOne

He said "3 to 6 months from now you won't notice any difference at your doctors office"(paraphrased). Isn't this pretty much a "no crap" statement since if you don't have insurance you still won't have it for roughly 3 more years? The only thing we're going to notice for the next 3 years is the higher pricing.

And, taxes.

315 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:47:41pm

In fact, I want this point repeated so the latest incompetence defense spin gets put in it's proper place.

If you are arguing he was so craven as to make the conference right away without getting the facts, that means he cared nothing for his people if they were still busily working. If they were not and evacuated, then his first priority - being sooo busy with everything else is to get them working again.

So I repeat. If someone shot at my window, I would want to know the facts immediately. Why? Well not just for my own safety, but for the safety of the people who worked for me. Right if my office were actually attacked, I need to know all the details as soon as possible in order to keep my people safe and determine when they can start work again.

So if you are making the utter incompetence defense - that he did not know the report before he shot his mouth off in a partisan attack on Dems, then you are also saying that he cared more for using this as a political tool than for the safety of his own people.

The incompetence defense falls short. It only makes him a bigger putz.

316 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:47:46pm

re: #286 cliffster

I saw Hancock for the first time a couple of nights ago. It sucked less than what people tried to tell me.

I thought it was a pretty good movie.

317 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:48:06pm

re: #312 pingjockey


Some kind of sick glorious metaphore.

318 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:48:17pm

re: #307 wozzablog

A large part of satire died when that happened. Nobody could top "He shot an old man in the face"

in bed.

319 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:48:46pm

re: #317 wozzablog
I guess.

320 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:49:25pm

re: #318 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, bad Kragar, bad.


/

321 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:49:31pm

re: #307 wozzablog

I was gonna stay away because I'm not sure if its actually true, but topping it would be "And the old man apologized for getting in the way."

322 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:49:51pm

re: #316 Alouette

I thought it was a pretty good movie.

It wasn't bad. Seen much worse.

323 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:50:22pm

re: #311 cliffster

I'm ok with whales. I don't want to be anywhere near them - no offense to whales. But I don't want them hunted into extinction.

Agreed. What I really hope is that Paul Watson and co. start putting some pressure on those who catch Bluefin tuna. Those really are in danger of extinction.

324 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:50:26pm

OMG! There are 2 girls and my 10 yr old boy and a dog excavating my back yard. Well, at least I won't hear there's nothing to do for a while.
Spring break has sprung here.

325 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #315 LudwigVanQuixote

Your diatribe is emotional, illogical and false. I suggest you calm down.

326 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:51:22pm

re: #316 Alouette

I thought it was a pretty good movie.

It just wasn't believable. ;)

Actually, I liked it, but I felt like it was one of those where they put most of the good stuff in the preview

327 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:51:24pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

I admit, I bow to your expertise on 'emotional, illogical, and false'!!

328 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:52:25pm

re: #321 windsagio

I wouldn't be suprised if he had - he still had two kneecaps to protect/

329 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:52:29pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

Your diatribe is emotional, illogical and false. I suggest you calm down.

He called me a pussy earlier. Pure genius.

330 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:52:47pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

It's definitely emotional. It's also perfectly logical.

If you don't think so, you should demonstrate the flaw in the logic, rather than simply asserting that it's illogical.

331 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:53:09pm

re: #326 cliffster

It just wasn't believable. ;)

Actually, I liked it, but I felt like it was one of those where they put most of the good stuff in the preview

I still feel Kick-Ass will be a superior superhero movie

332 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:53:31pm

re: #330 Obdicut

It's definitely emotional. It's also perfectly logical.

If you don't think so, you should demonstrate the flaw in the logic, rather than simply asserting that it's illogical.

It'd be pure speculation on my part, but his version of how things unfolded need not be the only way they unfolded.

333 simoom  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:53:37pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Stupak, who in numerous recent interviews has called his life a “living hell,” said during an interview on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” that his wife has had to unplug the family’s home phone.

I really wish people would leave the families alone.

334 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:53:57pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. What I really hope is that Paul Watson and co. start putting some pressure on those who catch Bluefin tuna. Those really are in danger of extinction.

Hey, along those lines, do you know what the deal is with Chilean Sea Bass? I love that stuff, and a restaurant here makes an absolutely delicious dish with it. But my wife chides me for ordering it - says they are endangered, or close to it. Is that true?

335 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:54:19pm

re: #330 Obdicut

The problem is there aren't any logical arguments to go against what he's saying, at least that I can think of.

I think its another case of them associating their vehemence with being right.

336 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:54:41pm

Great. Another flame war coming right up.

337 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:54:43pm

re: #333 simoom

I really wish people would leave the families alone.

Blame Dunbar's number.

338 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:54:46pm

Rep. Clyburn responds to Cantor:

"Democrats aren't playing with this at all," Clyburn said. "I would remind Mr. Cantor that it was his member who yelled 'baby killer' to Stupak, who the next morning sent out a fundraising letter trying to benefit from that effort."

Commie Blog

339 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:54:51pm

Any UK lizards here? Is the London Times a decent news source?

340 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:02pm

re: #266 Obdicut

We have one intentionally hostile act and one random accident. They're not equivalent.

They are if you want them to be.

341 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:09pm

re: #334 cliffster

Hey, along those lines, do you know what the deal is with Chilean Sea Bass? I love that stuff, and a restaurant here makes an absolutely delicious dish with it. But my wife chides me for ordering it - says they are endangered, or close to it. Is that true?

I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

342 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:11pm

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Great. Another flame war coming right up.

"When you can't prove someone wrong, PICK A FIGHT AND CHASE EVERYONE OUT OF A THREAD!"

343 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:23pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

Umm no, it is completely logical, true and correct. I am positing that one line of defense offered partisan liars like you only makes your boy look worse.

Attempting to call the truth and the logical conclusions made from the facts illogical or emotional is a very weak attempt to shift the light away from the other fact that you are defending a false position.

344 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:29pm

re: #339 pingjockey

I'm not from London, but I think its a Murdoch Paper now.

345 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:36pm

re: #229 RadicalModerate

For those trying to draw left/right equivalencies, rhetoric like this simply did not exist on the Left over the last decade. There were no left wing militias; no encouragement for liberals to stock up on guns with the intent of targeting conservatives; no calls for Holy War against our own govt simply because your side lost elections and was out of power.

346 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:44pm

re: #339 pingjockey

Any UK lizards here? Is the London Times a decent news source?

Not from the UK, but I think its a good source.

347 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:55:50pm

re: #314 MandyManners

And, taxes.

My 17 yr old sis-in-law just learned her very first real-life government fiscal policy lesson. She works and she pays for her own tanning sessions.

348 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:56:08pm

re: #321 windsagio

I wouldn't be suprised if he had

349 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:56:27pm

re: #347 RogueOne

I know I know I know I shoud'nt tell people how to raise their kids, but she probably shouldn't be doing tanning sessions >>

350 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:56:30pm

re: #334 cliffster

Hey, along those lines, do you know what the deal is with Chilean Sea Bass? I love that stuff, and a restaurant here makes an absolutely delicious dish with it. But my wife chides me for ordering it - says they are endangered, or close to it. Is that true?

the are being overfished in that region for sure, but sea bass as a whole are not endangered, in fact the artificial reefs are really helping their numbers.

351 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:56:42pm

Hey, I've got a question, why doesn't the Richmond Virginia Reagan Building office appear on Eric Cantor's official House web page? I see three other offices, in DC, Culpepper, and Glen Allen, but nothing about an office in Richmond. This is smelling even fishier, sure he probably rents space somewhere within the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center, but he doesn't own the whole goddamned building. A random bullet graze on the first floor facade of a building he rents space in but does not list as an official office on his website can in no way be interpreted as targeted at him. It needs to be pointed out that this is what real narcissism looks like.

Again, the real reason Eric "look at me" Cantor won't release those threatening emails because they would show that the real threats of violence are coming from the right wing tea-baggers, mostly virulent dominionist pudwacks who at best want to use him and other Jews to fulfill what they see as biblical preconditions for the end times. The whole pretense towards loving Jews and defending Israel is a form of taquiya for the hard core dominionist right wing, a means to THE end.

Bart "Baby Killer" Stupak knows now what their wrath feels like.

352 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:56:45pm

re: #342 windsagio

"When you can't prove someone wrong, PICK A FIGHT AND CHASE EVERYONE OUT OF A THREAD!"

/throws down my stuff and flying tackles windsagio

353 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:00pm

re: #349 windsagio

I know I know I know I shoud'nt tell people how to raise their kids, but she probably shouldn't be doing tanning sessions >>

You're right. You shouldn't./

354 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:00pm

re: #339 pingjockey


News wise - generally, op-ed wise uncertain.

355 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:01pm

re: #344 windsagio
OK. They're reporting Obama walked out of the meeting with Netanyahu and just left the PM sitting. Was just wondering how reliable that might be?

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:07pm

re: #347 RogueOne

My 17 yr old sis-in-law just learned her very first real-life government fiscal policy lesson. She works and she pays for her own tanning sessions.

Tell her to cut that out. It isn't healthy.

357 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:25pm

re: #348 wozzablog

Too lazy to check it, the tin-hatter in me thinks the'yd love to get into a long discussion about Cheney right now :)

358 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:26pm

re: #333 simoom

I really wish people would leave the families alone.

Should I? Should I? Windsagio, weigh in on this. :)

359 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:29pm

re: #330 Obdicut

It's definitely emotional. It's also perfectly logical.

If you don't think so, you should demonstrate the flaw in the logic, rather than simply asserting that it's illogical.

Indeed it is a proof by contradiction. If we accept the theory promoted by some that he was too busy or whatever to look at the report before making the conference, the conclusions all follow.

And in answer to Joo-Liz, I do think it unfolded differently than the incompetence defense. I think he looked at the report very clearly and knew full well what was in it. I think that is why his language in his press conference was so equivocal.

360 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:40pm

re: #345 palomino

For those trying to draw left/right equivalencies, rhetoric like this simply did not exist on the Left over the last decade. There were no left wing militias; no encouragement for liberals to stock up on guns with the intent of targeting conservatives; no calls for Holy War against our own govt simply because your side lost elections and was out of power.

Damn. I need to learn to shout louder. :P

361 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:43pm

re: #332 Joo-LiZ

So, then, give an example that demonstrates that there is a way to consistently believe that Cantor behaved well, or responsibly.

To me, he is clearly attempting to say that the Democrats are 'using' these attacks for political gain. His remarks about antisemitic comments, as Charles noted, are a non-sequitur, given that there isn't any antisemitic rhetoric coming from congress.

The only scenario I can imagine is one where his offices are fired upon so regularly that he doesn't consider one incident very special; I doubt that's the case.

Can you explain what scenario would have Cantor both ignorant about the specifics of the bullet and behaving responsibly while talking about it?

362 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:57:59pm

re: #355 pingjockey

damned if I know, check other sources, that would be HUGE news if it were valid :P

363 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:58:29pm

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

I SAY GO FOR IT!!!!

/why'd yo uquit calling me windy? :(

364 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:59:05pm

re: #362 windsagio
Yah. I'm gonna do a little search and see if anyone else picked up on it.

365 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:59:14pm

re: #332 Joo-LiZ

It'd be pure speculation on my part, but his version of how things unfolded need not be the only way they unfolded.

So please put the known facts together in a way that does not show him to be an utter putz.

366 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:59:28pm

re: #347 RogueOne

My 17 yr old sis-in-law just learned her very first real-life government fiscal policy lesson. She works and she pays for her own tanning sessions.

Ten percent federal tax?

367 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:59:31pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Context. Context. Context.

Will have to wait and see.

368 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:59:45pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Tell her to cut that out. It isn't healthy.

What isn't healthy? Buying into libertarian theology that taxes are the root of all evil?

369 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 2:59:55pm

re: #333 simoom

I really wish people would leave the families alone.

That harassment that Stupak was talking about was harassment by pro-abortion supporters BEFORE the final vote.

370 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:04pm

re: #367 wozzablog
Yeppers.

371 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:11pm

re: #368 RogueOne

Starting a skin cancer farm.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:14pm

re: #368 RogueOne

What isn't healthy? Buying into libertarian theology that taxes are the root of all evil?

Tanning beds.

373 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:27pm

re: #330 Obdicut

It's definitely emotional. It's also perfectly logical.

If you don't think so, you should demonstrate the flaw in the logic, rather than simply asserting that it's illogical.

Alright just to demonstrate a purely speculative scenario:

Cantor is planning a press conference to decry what he views as the political use of the latest rash of incidents. He gets a call from the head of his Richmond, VA campaign office that a bullet had gone through their window. The head of the office points out that they had already contacted police, everyone is fine, and that things are being taken care of. Cantor goes to speak, and uses it as an example in a broader context of not using threats against congressional members for political gain.

Again, purely speculative, but also doesn't paint him as hopelessly incompetent and without regard for the lives of his staffers.

You can tweak it and play with the story much as you want, it is pure speculation. But so are all the insinuations against him by people like Ludwig.

374 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:00:57pm

re: #343 LudwigVanQuixote

Umm no, it is completely logical, true and correct. I am positing that one line of defense offered partisan liars like you only makes your boy look worse.

Attempting to call the truth and the logical conclusions made from the facts illogical or emotional is a very weak attempt to shift the light away from the other fact that you are defending a false position.

You are putting forth a false postire: #351 goddamnedfrank

Hey, I've got a question, why doesn't the Richmond Virginia Reagan Building office appear on Eric Cantor's official House web page? I see three other offices, in DC, Culpepper, and Glen Allen, but nothing about an office in Richmond. This is smelling even fishier, sure he probably rents space somewhere within the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center, but he doesn't own the whole goddamned building. A random bullet graze on the first floor facade of a building he rents space in but does not list as an official office on his website can in no way be interpreted as targeted at him. It needs to be pointed out that this is what real narcissism looks like.

Again, the real reason Eric "look at me" Cantor won't release those threatening emails because they would show that the real threats of violence are coming from the right wing tea-baggers, mostly virulent dominionist pudwacks who at best want to use him and other Jews to fulfill what they see as biblical preconditions for the end times. The whole pretense towards loving Jews and defending Israel is a form of taquiya for the hard core dominionist right wing, a means to THE end.

Bart "Baby Killer" Stupak knows now what their wrath feels like.

Were you on Medved's show about 2 hours ago. I heard Medved shoot down this same rant from a lefty.

375 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:14pm

re: #355 pingjockey

OK. They're reporting Obama walked out of the meeting with Netanyahu and just left the PM sitting. Was just wondering how reliable that might be?

I read that he said he had to go to dinner and left him on his own. Will have to search for a link.

376 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:17pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Tanning beds.

Vanity Vanity..All is Vanity

377 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:19pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

That harassment that Stupak was talking about was harassment by pro-abortion supporters BEFORE the final vote.

Really?

378 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:28pm

Now that the media has a 'narrative', they will be much less conscientious about these claims of vandalism and 60's era intimidation. I'm really surprsied they walked back on Cantor's story, or maybe Charles just has good media Kung Fu to find the tiny, page 20 retraction to the page 1 story.

This video suggests John Lewis may not have heard what he thought he heard. I'm not saying yes, not saying no. I also don't know the reputation of this site, except that FARK linked to it, so it's probably not vdare or klan level bad. All I'm saying is you don't get objective truth from the media when they're in an apoplectic state.

I'm waiting a solid week before I make up my mind wth's going on with all this nonsense.

OH - and that Gingrich quote where he "said" health care legislation was like the civil rights act of '64 being a disaster for the Democrats? That was a total lie. Washing Post has made a half-arse retraction, and Krugman's column in the NYT has made an ever more half-arse non-apology.

379 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:31pm

re: #373 Joo-LiZ

Again, purely speculative, but also doesn't paint him as hopelessly incompetent and without regard for the lives of his staffers.

Well, it does, though, because if he's received the call, and talked to his staff, why is he unclear on whether the bullet was an actual attack or not?

If he knew it wasn't an attack, why did he make it appear as though it was one, in his speech?

380 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:47pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Completely agree - my sister compiled a report on their use and the effects in young people. Not good reading.

381 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01:53pm

Andrew Brietbart is going for the trifecta.

He's denying that racial epithets were hurled at Rep. John Lewis, in an article full of 'false flag' dogwhistles, and wants 'verifyable' video evidence that it happened. No word yet whether he's demanding that the video must be shot and edited by James O'Keefe, however.

(Apologies for the direct link- no cached article as of yet)
2010: A Race Odyssey — Disproving a Negative for Cash Prizes or, How the Civil Rights Movement Jumped the Shark

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:22pm

re: #377 cliffster

Really?

Yeah, given the anger against him across the aisle, I am going to be very surprised if the only shit he's been taking is from pro-choice persons.

383 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:31pm

re: #374 Lateralis

OK so really, you too, rather than claiming crap about shows or false victories, how about you explain how he is not a putz?

384 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:32pm

re: #373 Joo-LiZ

I admire that you haven't given up in spite of being outnumbered.

385 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:34pm

re: #375 Silvergirl
Yah. That's what I heard too. I just was wondering about the veracity of the London Times.

386 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:40pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Tanning beds.

the FDA just recommended that use by persons under 18 be banned...

387 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:02:58pm

re: #371 windsagio

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

It's always better to look good than feel good and by the time she gets the skin cancer she'll at a minimum have insurance and probably a single-payer system. She's more likely to end up looking like a football than getting skin cancer.

388 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:03:24pm

re: #355 pingjockey

OK. They're reporting Obama walked out of the meeting with Netanyahu and just left the PM sitting. Was just wondering how reliable that might be?

Not likely.

They met for and hour and a half, finished up, Obama went to the residence, Netanyahu stuck around to conduct business with Israeli staffers. Later Netanyahu sent someone to request another meeting with Obama, they met for another 30 minutes and then Obama left.

I doubt Netanyahu was just left sitting.

389 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:03:24pm

re: #384 Silvergirl

I may disagree with Joo-Liz, but I've never had a complaint about his/her behavior.

390 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:03:37pm

re: #387 RogueOne

Which of course is her choice :p

I'm surprised you're so sanguine about a relative hurting herself >>

391 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:04:04pm

re: #373 Joo-LiZ

Alright just to demonstrate a purely speculative scenario:

Cantor is planning a press conference to decry what he views as the political use of the latest rash of incidents. He gets a call from the head of his Richmond, VA campaign office that a bullet had gone through their window. The head of the office points out that they had already contacted police, everyone is fine, and that things are being taken care of. Cantor goes to speak, and uses it as an example in a broader context of not using threats against congressional members for political gain.

Again, purely speculative, but also doesn't paint him as hopelessly incompetent and without regard for the lives of his staffers.

You can tweak it and play with the story much as you want, it is pure speculation. But so are all the insinuations against him by people like Ludwig.

Good points, but I would've left Ludwig's name out in the interests of diplomacy.

392 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:04:17pm

re: #388 Joo-LiZ

Maybe in the literal sense, but not the figurative sense.

393 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:04:50pm

re: #373 Joo-LiZ

Nonsense.

This is nonsense because he created a false equivalence between a non attack on one of his minor offices with the very real attacks that have been made against Dems. He further used this not as a vehicle to try to claim a reduction in partisanship, but rather tried to blame the Dems for that partisanship - and this when it has been the GOP all along fanning the flames of racism and extremism in this nation to a fever pitch. It was an utterly callow and self serving action and your attempt to spin it fails because of the content of his speech.

394 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:04:51pm

re: #390 windsagio

As God is my witness, I almost said "Trouble with the inlaws?" but then thought better of it.

395 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:04:58pm

re: #264 cenotaphium

You've never done trick shooting? Throw a target in the air and try to hit it. Very fun. There's just the trouble with finding an area where that's safe to do. Not everyone will do that (or understand why it's necessary).

Anyway, here's some trick shootin'.

When we were kids, we used to do a lot of bird hunting (deer too, but this is relevant to birds). My dad took a BB gun and filed off the sites, then would throw pennies in the air to teach us to point-n-shoot so we would be more accurate when jumping birds and waste fewer rounds. He turned us into some pretty good shots.

396 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:05:04pm

re: #389 Obdicut

Er, yeah, except for the 'people like Ludwig' bit. Sigh.

397 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:05:07pm

re: #388 Joo-LiZ
It would be odd to say the least and damned rude to say the worst if the Pres just got up and walked out. I'm going digging later.

398 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:05:16pm

re: #386 brookly red

freedom haters.

399 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:05:49pm

re: #398 wozzablog

Everyone loves that Precancerous glow!

400 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:06:19pm

re: #371 windsagio

Starting a skin cancer farm.

And if that doesn't get yah eventually leathery skin and wrinkles. Ewww

401 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:06:25pm

re: #386 brookly red

the FDA just recommended that use by persons under 18 be banned...

The FDA recommends a lot of things they should mind their own damn business about.

re: #390 windsagio

As long as she knows the risks, which is it's no worse than tanning in the sun, it's none of my business. I don't make it a habit to tell people what they should eat, drink, smoke, or ingest in general. Don't take this as a personal insult but we'd be a much happier society if we would learn to mind our own business.

402 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:06:35pm

re: #386 brookly red

the FDA just recommended that use by persons under 18 be banned...[from tanning beds]

There's also women from parts of the world where they don't need tanning beds and don't have tan lines. Maybe chat up some of them? //

403 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:06:45pm

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Great. Another flame war coming right up.

Looks like we dodged a bullet

404 Mark Pennington  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:13pm

It almost seems like they are desperate to claim they are being targeted too.

Not only was Cantor's office not targeted...McCain and Palin were totally not shot at!

405 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:38pm

re: #383 LudwigVanQuixote

OK so really, you too, rather than claiming crap about shows or false victories, how about you explain how he is not a putz?

I never said he wasn't a putz, he is a politician. He got ahead of the story probably before he knew all of the facts. Do you really think he would knowing make a false claim when at some point the police report is going to be available. Also, as posters have already indicated it was a brief comment in the whole context of the press conference.

406 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:07:44pm

re: #402 keloyd

There's also women from parts of the world where they don't need tanning beds and don't have tan lines. Maybe chat up some of them? //

catch what catch can...

407 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:06pm

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

Good points, but I would've left Ludwig's name out in the interests of diplomacy.

So, calling someone that "p" word is diplomatic?

408 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:27pm

re: #401 RogueOne

relatives are our business :P

I'm not gonna go yell at random tanned people (in portland, if you have a tan, its fake), but if one of my relatives wanted to do that, it'd be my responsibility to try to stop them.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do of course, or her, but when you put it in those terms, I have to respond fairly strongly :P

Also, I have no expectation that you'll listen to any of us.

409 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:50pm

re: #401 RogueOne

The FDA recommends a lot of things they should mind their own damn business about.

True that.

410 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:51pm

re: #330 Obdicut

It's definitely emotional. It's also perfectly logical.

If you don't think so, you should demonstrate the flaw in the logic, rather than simply asserting that it's illogical.

A bullet-hole was found in the window and a bullet was found in the office. The police were called immediately. During the time the police were conducting their investigation the room would certainly not have been in use unless by authority of the police. While waiting for the police report Cantor called a news conference to complain about the scandalous accusations being flung around by the Dems concerning the threats. During that news conference, Cantor is quoted to have tangentially said that "a bullet was shot through the window" of his office, and he pointed out that he had not tried to blame any Congressmen for having instigated that event. Fox then proceeded to jump all over the shooting angle and blew it out of all proportion.
That is my assessment of what happened, and I can only describe some other reactions as being emotional, illogical and false.

411 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:08:57pm

re: #407 MandyManners

lol you inciter you.

412 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:17pm

re: #404 beekiller

It almost seems like they are desperate to claim they are being targeted too.

Not only was Cantor's office not targeted...McCain and Palin were totally not shot at!

Now this is getting ridiculous.

413 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:26pm

re: #397 pingjockey

It would be odd to say the least and damned rude to say the worst if the Pres just got up and walked out. I'm going digging later.

In your backyard with the kids?

414 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:33pm

re: #318 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

in bed.

Brain bleach...Cheney doing facials isn't something that I want to visualize.

415 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:38pm

re: #385 pingjockey

Yah. That's what I heard too. I just was wondering about the veracity of the London Times.

Mine wasn't the London Times, but here it is for what it's worth.

Many commentators criticized Netanyahu for insisting on meeting with President Barack Obama at a time of disagreement. But reports also accused Obama of treating Netanyahu more like a Third World despot than the leader of a close ally.

Israeli media reported that a meeting of top Cabinet ministers set for Thursday has been put off until Friday. Netanyahu's office refused to comment.

Yediot Ahronot, Israel's largest newspaper, reported that during their White House meeting, Obama got up and told Netanyahu he was taking a break to have dinner with his family. "Let me know if there is anything new," it quoted Obama as saying. There was no official comment on the newspaper's report.

AP Report

416 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09:57pm

re: #414 darthstar

Oh lord, I didn't catch that parallel.

Gross!

417 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:10:14pm

re: #410 Spare O'Lake


So for what you said to be true, the police report had to be ongoing while he held the press conference. This is what you believe to be true?

418 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:10:28pm

re: #384 Silvergirl

re: #389 Obdicut

I may disagree with Joo-Liz, but I've never had a complaint about his/her behavior.

Appreciate it. (I'm a he)

Also, sorry Ludwig for calling you out specifically. I guess you are just being effective at arguing your point! =P

419 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:10:35pm

re: #113 windsagio

I might add, however, that a pool shark is still a scam artist :P

*didn't we have some conversation about posting in bad faith a few months back? :D

I forgot to tell you I finished a good book last weekend... it was called "The Socratic Method for Dummies." Lot's of fun.

420 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:10:47pm

Venezuela’s Globovision Chief Held for Chavez Insult

Venezuelan authorities detained the president of opposition television network Globovision today for comments he made about President Hugo Chavez and on concern that he might flee the country, the attorney general said.

Guillermo Zuloaga, the president of the network, was stopped from leaving a regional airport today in his private plane and flown back to Caracas to face arraignment, Attorney General Luisa Ortega Diaz said. Zuloaga made “offensive and disrespectful” comments about Chavez during an international conference last week, Diaz said.

Chavez has threatened to close Globovision, Venezuela’s only opposition network, during his 11 years in power using the argument that it supported a 2002 coup against him and creates “unrest” in the population. Chavez refused to renew the broadcasting license for opposition network RCTV in 2007 and closed 32 radio stations, citing administrative violations.

The incident follows the arrest of opposition politician Oswaldo Alvarez Paz on March 22 after he said that Venezuela had become a “haven” for drug trafficking.

“We have to make sure that he doesn’t leave the country to face any possible trial,” Diaz said in an interview today on Venevision. “He made offensive and disrespectful comments about the head of state and there was reason to believe that he was going to flee the country.”

421 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:10:55pm

re: #413 wrenchwench
Nah. That I'll have to fill in! I meant the story about the Pres. walking out of a meeting with Netanyahu and just leaving him sitting.

422 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:11:05pm

re: #405 Lateralis

I never said he wasn't a putz, he is a politician.

Fair enough.

He got ahead of the story probably before he knew all of the facts.

That is the utter incompetence defense.

Do you really think he would knowing make a false claim when at some point the police report is going to be available.

You mean like: That there is no AGW? That smoking might not be proven to be bad for you? That the Saudis are our friends? You mean like atomic programs in Iraq?

Yes of course I know for a fact that some will lie through their teeth against all physical evidence.

Also, as posters have already indicated it was a brief comment in the whole context of the press conference.

It was all a bit more than that.

423 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:11:13pm

re: #404 beekiller

It almost seems like they are desperate to claim they are being targeted too.

Not only was Cantor's office not targeted...McCain and Palin were totally not shot at!

Paintball! Oh NOEZ!

424 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:11:17pm

re: #389 Obdicut

I may disagree with Joo-Liz, but I've never had a complaint about his/her behavior.

What?

425 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:11:32pm

re: #404 beekiller

It almost seems like they are desperate to claim they are being targeted too.

Not only was Cantor's office not targeted...McCain and Palin were totally not shot at!

Yup -- that is ridiculous.

426 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:12:02pm

re: #415 Silvergirl
Sheesh.

427 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:12:24pm

re: #424 Silvergirl

What what?

428 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:09pm

Ooo it really is spring!

The pair of sandhill cranes that hangs out in my backyard are back.

Had a flock of wild turkeys trundle through too.

429 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:10pm

re: #421 pingjockey

Nah. That I'll have to fill in! I meant the story about the Pres. walking out of a meeting with Netanyahu and just leaving him sitting.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

430 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:14pm

What Tea Party Violence?

Over the weekend, the tea party protests — organized by corporate lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks — were scenes of violence and hate towards gay and African American Democratic members of Congress. Around the same time, acts of vandalism have occurred around the country against local Democratic Party offices and against Democratic members of Congress. As the Washington Post reported today, “some of the vandalism appears to have been instigated by an Alabama blogger, Mike Vanderboegh, who encouraged his readers to throw bricks at the windows of Democratic headquarters across the country.”

Vanderboegh is a member of an Alabama militia group who is headlining an open-carry gun rally in Northern Virginia next month. In an interview with Alan Colmes yesterday, Vanderboegh justified his call for vandalism and said the attacks are warning shots because people like him will next threaten the life of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and fight health reform with “a thousand little Waco’s”:

VANDERBOEGH: I am telling you we are motivated to break windows, we feel a deadly threat from the Federal government and the orders that the Democrat party has given us. [...]

COLMES: You’re telling people to break the windows of Democratic headquarters. You’re telling people to commit acts of vandalism. You’re supporting breaking the law.

VANDERBOEGH: May I tell you my personal motive for doing this? I’m trying to save the lives of Nancy Pelosi, and every one of these people who do not understand the unintended consequences of their actions. [...] Because they are not paying attention to the million of people across this deepening divide that politics no longer avails them. [...] We refuse to participate in the system, and we refuse to pay the fines, and we refuse arrest. Now where do you suppose that’s going but a thousand little Wacos.

431 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:24pm

re: #420 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remember this is Sean Penns' hero! Power to the correct people!

432 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:25pm

re: #420 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Venezuela’s Globovision Chief Held for Chavez Insult

some people just don't take criticism well...

433 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:13:46pm

re: #410 Spare O'Lake

You really are shameless. Shall we look at the tread downstairs that you posted on this very day... not even a few hours ago?

“I’ve received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my positions, but because i am Jewish,” Cantor said. “I’ve never blamed anyone in this body for that. Period. Any suggestion that a leader in this body that would incite threats or acts against other members is akin to saying that i would endanger myself, my wife or my children.”

Cantor said a bullet was shot through the window of his Richmond, Va., campaign office this week, and that he’s gotten threatening emails. “I will not release them because I believe such actions will only encourage more to be sent,” he said.

435 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:08pm

re: #407 MandyManners

So, calling someone that "p" word is diplomatic?

Eric Cantor is a schmucky little putz. This is accurate terminology, deal with it.

436 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:19pm

re: #408 windsagio

This is where liberals and libertarians split. What people do with their lives is their business. Unless it directly affects me I don't see where I have the right or obligation to stick my nose into their business, family or not.

If you think it's your obligation to insist your family members behave in a certain manner do you feel the same about your close friends? What about just your casual friends, do they deserve your input too? Where does it stop exactly? Where do people, who probably really believe they're trying to do the right thing, draw the line? My line starts where my toes end, it's easier to keep track of things that way.

437 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:41pm

re: #431 pingjockey

Remember this is Sean Penns' hero! Power to the correct people!

Screw both Sean Penn and Hugo Chavez. I don't have any use for either of them.

438 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:14:46pm

re: #397 pingjockey

Summary of the Telegraph online article -

Bibi tried stalling - and Obama had just had word of settlement building being approved in the heart of a palestinian area in Jerusalem minutes before his meeting with the Israeli leader.

Obama had enough and went for Dinner.

Everything is being sourced via Israel in the article - no American account that i could see in the telegraph piece, will keep ploughing on.

439 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:10pm

arrrrrrghhhhhhh!1!!!!!!

My teenager is making me NUTS.
He has close to enough money to seriously begin looking for a car and it has become an obsession.
Every used/for sale car sighting he has ends with the "NO you can't buy the Jeep without any doors or a roof no matter how cool it is because you can't drive it on the highway" argument.
Yes, we just had that one all the way to work.

440 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:12pm

re: #24 freetoken

A gun-crazed society built by violent hominids.

As someone once said:

"Look, either we came from apes, or somebody made us this way on purpose. Either way, I don't like it."

441 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:17pm

So if the meeting between Obama and Netanyahu was essentially secret how would Yediot Ahronot even know what occurred during that meeting. And isn't Yediot Ahronot or Ynet a tabloid newspaper?

442 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:20pm

re: #427 Obdicut

What what?

Nothing.

I was reading fast and I thought you were questioning what I said to Joo-LiZ.

443 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:22pm

re: #343 LudwigVanQuixote

I suggest you consider my #410 before you further soil yourself.
And you should stop calling me names because it really hurts my feelings.

444 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:24pm

re: #436 RogueOne

Did I say 'insist'? No I didn't.

Your whole argument breaks down right there :P

445 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:34pm

re: #399 windsagio

Itz teh roxor

446 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:48pm

re: #431 pingjockey

Remember this is Sean Penns' hero! Power to the correct people!

Well, thats only good and right. Think about all those people who ended up in prison camps and shallow graves for making "offensive and disrespectful comments about the head of state" here in the US for the last few decades.

/

447 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:49pm

re: #404 beekiller

That article is from 2008.

448 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:15:54pm

re: #438 wozzablog
Yep. You're quicker than me!

449 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:08pm

re: #407 MandyManners

So, calling someone that "p" word is diplomatic?

No not at all. It is an accurate label for him.

However you whining about "diplomacy" is hypocrisy so intense I may have to seek medical attention from the wounds caused by laughing so hard.

Now do be a nice little wingnut and go piss up a rope :)

450 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:13pm

re: #407 MandyManners

So, calling someone that "p" word is diplomatic?

No, it isn't. Ludwig should not have said that.

451 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:30pm

re: #436 RogueOne

Humans tend to reason with each other. It's pretty nifty, really.

452 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:16:56pm

re: #437 Lidane

Screw both Sean Penn and Hugo Chavez. I don't have any use for either of them.

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

453 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:00pm

re: #443 Spare O'Lake

I suggest you consider my #410 before you further soil yourself.
And you should stop calling me names because it really hurts my feelings.

OK so then maybe you will develop a sense of shame and not try to lie, spin and obfuscate as much as you do.

454 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:18pm

re: #448 pingjockey

Too many years of practice being a web monkey.

455 Batman  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:21pm

This can't be true. Stray bullets don't target Republicans. It would have loyally veered away and struck a Democrat's office. This was an act of malice.

456 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:32pm

Hot Air readers are pissed about thew new rules about advocating violence and revolution. They're starting to flounce to a facebook group: Hot Air Rendezvous Point is on Facebook

Topic: What's Allahpundit's problem today? Complaining about the oppressive new rules.

Posting Pictures: Prepare for war!

The Tools of Liberty!

How to survive the Apocalypse: Prepping for upcoming whatever?

457 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:33pm

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn't. Ludwig should not have said that.

Yes I should have. Please don't go all Carter on me.

458 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:17:34pm

re: #451 Obdicut

Humans tend to reason with each other. It's pretty nifty, really.

At least it keeps them talking long enough till you can get behind them to crush them with a rock.

459 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:01pm

re: #444 windsagio

Also, I like the borderline objectivism of your argument.

Actually I don't. Humans are parts of communities, and should try to help each other. Note, however, the difference between 'offering advice' and 'imposing your will'.

460 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:15pm

re: #454 wozzablog
Cool. It's just about time for me and the better half to invest in a new computer. That would help.

461 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:21pm

re: #420 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Venezuela’s Globovision Chief Held for Chavez Insult

Thug arrested another opponent earlier this week.

462 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:29pm

This is the reason we need better gun control laws.

463 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:36pm

re: #451 Obdicut

Humans tend to reason with each other. It's pretty nifty, really.

Really?

I'm starting to think we tend not to reason with each other... which is part of the problem =P

464 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:18:41pm

re: #405 Lateralis

Do you really think he would knowing make a false claim when at some point the police report is going to be available.

Ah, the old "he's too smart to do something that stupid" defense. Which gets trotted out every time someone smart does something stupid. Which happens a lot.

465 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:05pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

This is the third time you've done this prank this thread. Trying for 2 is really pushing it :P

466 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:17pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

This is the reason we need better gun control laws.

THINK OF THE WINDOWS! DO IT FOR THE WINDOWS!

467 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:19:20pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton
Mwahahaha!

468 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:20:20pm

re: #465 windsagio

This is the third time you've done this prank this thread. Trying for 2 is really pushing it :P

"The Socratic Method for Dummies." Lot's of fun.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:20:23pm

re: #436 RogueOne

This is where liberals and libertarians split. What people do with their lives is their business. Unless it directly affects me I don't see where I have the right or obligation to stick my nose into their business, family or not.

If you think it's your obligation to insist your family members behave in a certain manner do you feel the same about your close friends? What about just your casual friends, do they deserve your input too? Where does it stop exactly? Where do people, who probably really believe they're trying to do the right thing, draw the line? My line starts where my toes end, it's easier to keep track of things that way.

OK, you're from another planet, but that's all right.

470 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:20:48pm

re: #453 LudwigVanQuixote

Only the right wing is allowed to use virulent language, you should know that by now.

471 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:20:55pm

re: #420 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Venezuela’s Globovision Chief Held for Chavez Insult

Interesting, though, that in Venezuela they still actually have an opposition television network. That puts them way ahead of China.

472 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:21:00pm

re: #434 darthstar

Another Democrat, Jennifer Brunner, is blessed with kids holding pictures of Stalin outside her office.

Oh jeez. On an almost related note, I got Simon Sebag Montefore's Stalin: Court of Red Czar for only fifteen bucks today at the campus bookstore today.

473 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:21:09pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

This is the reason we need better gun control laws.

that will be coming up soon no doubt...

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:21:26pm

re: #468 Walter L. Newton

"The Socratic Method for Dummies." Lot's of fun.

Actually, it's not.

475 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:21:30pm

re: #466 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THINK OF THE WINDOWS! DO IT FOR THE WINDOWS!

And bullet give off CO2 when fired.

476 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:21:45pm

re: #456 Killgore Trout

I see that AP is now a progressive.

Sure doesn't take much to be branded with that moniker these days.

477 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:04pm

re: #444 windsagio

Did I say 'insist'? No I didn't.

Your whole argument breaks down right there :P

You said it was your duty to stop them. That's what liberals do, stop people from hurting themselves because they know better. It isn't something to necessarily be ashamed of but it always makes me laugh when people tell me how fearful they are of so-cons while at the same time try to enforce what they consider "good behavior" on others. I guess if you do it for religious reasons it's bad but if you do it because you care it's alright. The truth is it isn't right in either case.

I'm starting the MYODamnBusiness party and I approve this message. We're here to take over the government, then leave everybody alone.

478 Mark Pennington  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:12pm

re: #447 Stanley Sea

That article is from 2008.

Someone else just pointed this out to me. I've been arguing with my uncle who sent it to me via email as proof of left wing violence.

479 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:19pm

re: #468 Walter L. Newton

So easily swayed by books, you are!

And seriously, you're misusing it at best :p

480 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:22pm

re: #475 Walter L. Newton
Lead, if not disposed of properly will poison the water supply.

481 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:23pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, it's not.

Socrates used it all the time, and look where it got him.

482 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:22:50pm

Anyone who heard about UNICEF funding Palestinian group which ran an anti-Israel (and anti-American) ad will be glad to hear that as result of PMW publicizing the incident, UNICEF is now reviewing their partnership with PYALARA.

Last week PMW reported that a Palestinian NGO, PYALARA, had published a hate advertisement with a picture of a giant ax destroying a Star of David. The bottom of the ad had the logos of UNICEF, PA TV and PYALARA (Palestinian Youth Association for Leadership and Rights Activation).

UNICEF has responded that the logo was used without its permission. It has further stated that although UNICEF has been funding PYALARA with $100,000 a year, the most recent agreement expired in January 2010. UNICEF adds, “In light of the latest development, UNICEF will be carefully reviewing any proposed future partnerships with PYALARA.”

483 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:23:15pm

re: #451 Obdicut

Humans tend to reason with each other. It's pretty nifty, really.

Depends on your definition of "reason" is. If it means "you agree with me or your "whatever activity" will be banned or taxed" then I don't find that reasonable.

484 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:23:41pm

re: #481 Walter L. Newton
A goblet full of hemlock?

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:29pm

re: #477 RogueOne

You said it was your duty to stop them. That's what liberals do, stop people from hurting themselves because they know better. It isn't something to necessarily be ashamed of but it always makes me laugh when people tell me how fearful they are of so-cons while at the same time try to enforce what they consider "good behavior" on others. I guess if you do it for religious reasons it's bad but if you do it because you care it's alright. The truth is it isn't right in either case.

I'm starting the MYODamnBusiness party and I approve this message. We're here to take over the government, then leave everybody alone.

My God. I am so horribly sorry I infringed on your liberties by suggesting that teenagers shouldn't use tanning beds. What was I thinking? I musta done it FOR THE CHILDRUN!!!!! Because I CARE, so very very much!!!! And I want to control the WHOLE WIDE WORLD with my special caring.

The fucking things cause melanomas. Your OK with that, I guess I'll fuck off as told to.

///bleep bleepity bleep!

486 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:35pm

I often think of the immortal words of Socrates.

"I drank what?"

487 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:43pm

Cantor's broken window reminds me of my favorite Mythbusters episode - whether shooting into the air is dangerous, specifically whether a falling bullet can kill you.

They answered definitively - NO...unless you do it wrong, then YES.

A bullet falling from a few miles up will hit ~250 mph because of wind resistance balancing gravity. (It's about 120 mph for a less aerodynamic falling person.) If it hit your skull, it can't penetrate.

OTOH, if it goes up in the air at an angle, think a big lazy parabola, it's kept some sideways motion to add to the down motion - then you may get killed. If your enemies have a vendetta and just shoot you, then blame falling bullets from the New Years celebrations or whatever, same thing - you're dead.

Best. Mythbusters. Evar.

488 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:52pm

re: #476 Jadespring

I see that AP is now a progressive.

Sure doesn't take much to be branded with that moniker these days.

They've been going after Allahpundit for years now. For one he was never a fan of Sarah Palin. The other is that many of them detest the fact that he's an atheist.

Hot Air 2.0

Coming soon?

489 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:24:54pm

Idiots fire bullets into the air in Baghdad Baltimore all the time. I blame the nanny state, because they went and banned fireworks here, for the good of the children. So the adult children use bullets, which are not illegal to buy or possess, unlike Chinese crackers.

Right before I left Baltimore in October, someone fired off at least 13 rounds from a 9mm handgun at 3 A.M. not a block from my house. God knows where the bullets landed.

Cantor is a wanker.

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:16pm

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Socrates used it all the time, and look where it got him.

You noticed that too?

491 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:45pm

re: #470 windsagio

Only the right wing is allowed to use virulent language, you should know that by now.

That's right, they are so weak and beta that they need a handicap... They get to shout names and tell lies as much as they want... It is hard for them since we do have things like the truth on our side. That does balance things out. I see you point. If we also call them hypocritical shameless morons when they are being so, it just puts them in an utter no win situation - and well that isn't fair.

492 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:47pm

re: #477 RogueOne

This is insane. You're spinning (or misunderstanding) what was said to a ludicrous degree, and I can't even figure out why. It would be wrong of me not to try to convince someone they were hurting themselves.

Not only would it be wrong, it would be callous and selfish.

Its totally incomprehensible to me how you can get from that to thinking I want to Force people to stop.

493 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:52pm

re: #482 Joo-LiZ

Anyone who heard about UNICEF funding Palestinian group which ran an anti-Israel (and anti-American) ad will be glad to hear that as result of PMW publicizing the incident, UNICEF is now reviewing their partnership with PYALARA.

I somehow doubt they'll refuse to give the money.

494 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:53pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, you've certainly been put in your place.

/

495 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:53pm

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I often think of the immortal words of Socrates.

"I drank what?"

they hadn't invented Kool Aid yet...

496 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:25:55pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you're only supposed to give a damn about them before they're born.

497 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:08pm

re: #487 keloyd
They made a duct tape sail boat and a working duct tape cannon last night. :)

498 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:10pm

No big surprise here...loopholes...there are always loopholes.

But health advocates and some insurers say the law does not clearly state that such protection starts this year. If it doesn't, uninsured children with pre-existing conditions might not get help until 2014, when the law requires insurers to issue policies for all applicants regardless of health condition. There is no doubt that for children who are enrolled in insurance plans, the new law bars insurers from excluding coverage of any pre-existing conditions.

499 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:33pm

re: #492 windsagio

This is insane. You're spinning (or misunderstanding) what was said to a ludicrous degree, and I can't even figure out why. It would be wrong of me not to try to convince someone they were hurting themselves.

Not only would it be wrong, it would be callous and selfish.

Its totally incomprehensible to me how you can get from that to thinking I want to Force people to stop.

If someone wants to misunderstand, they are going to misunderstand.

500 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:45pm

I have to take re: #470 windsagio

Only the right wing is allowed to use virulent language, you should know that by now.


From the reaction here and elsewhere to Biden's f-bomb, you would think that the previous VP talked like Ned Flanders.

501 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:26:52pm

re: #488 Gus 802

They've been going after Allahpundit for years now. For one he was never a fan of Sarah Palin. The other is that many of them detest the fact that he's an atheist.

Hot Air 2.0

Coming soon?

Ah okay didn't know that. So this must be the absolute confirmation of what has always been suspected. :)

502 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:27:06pm

re: #471 garhighway

Venezuala, if memory serves, lost a couple of networks after said braodcasters called for open popular revolt - the broadcasting lisences were then revoked.

Thats all going from memory - it could be wrong.

503 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:27:09pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

My God. I am so horribly sorry I infringed on your liberties by suggesting that teenagers shouldn't use tanning beds. What was I thinking? I musta done it FOR THE CHILDRUN!!! Because I CARE, so very very much!!! And I want to control the WHOLE WIDE WORLD with my special caring.

The fucking things cause melanomas. Your OK with that, I guess I'll fuck off as told to.

///bleep bleepity bleep!

But I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to someone who had just said:

re: #408 windsagio

relatives are our business :P

I'm not gonna go yell at random tanned people (in portland, if you have a tan, its fake), if one of my relatives wanted to do that, it'd be my responsibility to try to stop them.

I'm not sure why you got so defensive.

504 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:27:18pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it just became a chance to go on about how much better libertarians were than liberals. Macho chest-beating and all that.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:27:32pm

re: #500 bratwurst

I have to take


From the reaction here and elsewhere to Biden's f-bomb, you would think that the previous VP talked like Ned Flanders.

I'm glad he didn't. I don't care for Cheney, but Cheney talking like Ned Flanders would have sent me off my rocker.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:03pm

re: #503 RogueOne

I'm not sure why you got so defensive.

I'll get over it.

507 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:12pm

re: #269 Gus 802

I kind of like the first one of the samples you linked. Not the second. I never could develop a liking for post-modern architecture. The model of the memorial might be little light. The first photo of the model seems a little weak but the last two in an elevation view look pretty good. It would have been nice to see a traditional marble memorial but those days are long gone for many reasons.

I don't think it's in Gehry's DNA to do anything really traditional or classical, so this is the probably the best we're gonna get from him. He tries to pay homage to the Greek classical white marble style with the use of several columns, but they are totally freestanding, no connection with larger structures. So it's "playful" and self-conscious in that post-modern aesthetic you referenced.

I think Gehry's biggest influence was a Spanish architect named Gaudi, whose stuff was very quirky, at least for his time (early 1900s)

508 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:32pm

re: #499 garhighway

If someone wants to misunderstand, they are going to misunderstand.

And what the fuck do you mean by that exactly?

/

509 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:39pm

re: #417 Obdicut

So for what you said to be true, the police report had to be ongoing while he held the press conference. This is what you believe to be true?

The police report was issued today, while the incident was 2 days ago and the press conference was yesterday.
Furthermore, keep in mind that the Fox article quoted Cantor only as having stated that "a bullet was shot through the window" - the other stuff about his office having been targeted apparently did not come from Cantor, and instead came from some unknown and unattributed source.

510 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:44pm

re: #499 garhighway

If someone wants to misunderstand, they are going to misunderstand.

amen

511 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:47pm

re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist

You noticed that too?

Touche'

BBIAB... one of the step-critters decided to NOT have arranged a ride with a friend from school, and now, ring, ring, ring, come pick me up...

512 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:28:54pm

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist
Anybody but Ned Flanders talking like Ned Flanders should be cause for concern.

513 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:13pm

re: #501 Jadespring

Ah okay didn't know that. So this must be the absolute confirmation of what has always been suspected. :)

Yeah. But I doubt Allahpundit will go anywhere. If they're going to finally do some cleaning up over there it could only help. Especially now that they're own by Salem Communications. Oddly enough Salem Communications is described as Salem Communications - Christian Radio, Conservative Talk, News Talk.

514 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:29:53pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

My God. I am so horribly sorry I infringed on your liberties by suggesting that teenagers shouldn't use tanning beds. What was I thinking? I musta done it FOR THE CHILDRUN!!! Because I CARE, so very very much!!! And I want to control the WHOLE WIDE WORLD with my special caring.

The fucking things cause melanomas. Your OK with that, I guess I'll fuck off as told to.

///bleep bleepity bleep!

They shouldn't smoke or have unprotected sex either. I know we are being a nanny state! Next thing you know you will infinge on their liberties by demanding that they wear seat belts!

515 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:22pm

re: #503 RogueOne

You even bolded the word try.

I'm being defensive because you're being insane, and wildly misrepresenting what I said into some kind of crazy anti-tanning police state.

If you really believe your libertarian values require you to not even suggest to your sister-in-law that she might be hurting herself, or even *gasp* try to convince her she shouldn't do it, then your philosophy is deeply inhuman and wrong.

At best, you're confusing 'trying to help people through advice' with 'forcefully imposing your will'.

516 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:23pm

re: #513 Gus 802
Do they float? If they float...they're a witch.

517 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:38pm

re: #509 Spare O'Lake

The police report was issued today, while the incident was 2 days ago and the press conference was yesterday.
Furthermore, keep in mind that the Fox article quoted Cantor only as having stated that "a bullet was shot through the window" - the other stuff about his office having been targeted apparently did not come from Cantor, and instead came from some unknown and unattributed source.

Spin Spin Spin you little spin monkey spin!

518 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:30:54pm

re: #504 windsagio

Liberal - you probably shouldn't drink that.......

Libertarian - Just watch me......

(thud)

519 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:06pm

re: #516 pingjockey

Do they float? If they float...they're a witch.

Salem! They're witches I tell ya'!

/

520 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:08pm

I'm fed up with these crazies, lock, stock, and barrel. We need to keep our powder dry, get them in our sights, keep the crosshairs on them, and get ready to take them out.

What? Violence? No, no, no! Those are just some figures of speech I borrowed from Palin, Limbaugh, etc.

521 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:31:14pm

re: #492 windsagio

This is insane. You're spinning (or misunderstanding) what was said to a ludicrous degree, and I can't even figure out why. It would be wrong of me not to try to convince someone they were hurting themselves.

Not only would it be wrong, it would be callous and selfish.

Its totally incomprehensible to me how you can get from that to thinking I want to Force people to stop.

You said you would "stop them". If that isn't what you meant I asked you to explain where the line was where you felt it was your duty to get involved in someone else's life? There's no need to get defensive, I haven't insulted anyone.

522 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:32:05pm

re: #457 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes I should have. Please don't go all Carter on me.

I don't agree. And I'm not like Carter. But I did note my objection to Spare's comment earlier.

523 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:32:43pm

Oh and Mandy, seriously baby, every time you whine about diplomacy, I will make a piss reference about you. You do love being diplomatic that way don't you?

524 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:32:44pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Heh!

525 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:33:09pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

My God. I am so horribly sorry I infringed on your liberties by suggesting that teenagers shouldn't use tanning beds. What was I thinking? I musta done it FOR THE CHILDRUN!!! Because I CARE, so very very much!!! And I want to control the WHOLE WIDE WORLD with my special caring.

The fucking things cause melanomas. Your OK with that, I guess I'll fuck off as told to.

///bleep bleepity bleep!

When your that age things like getting cancer just don't compute the same way. At that age your still immortal or at least feel that way. That stuff is never going to happen to me and of course I'll be 2 out of the 3 (whatever the stat is) that don't get it from whatever action. And dying? What's that?

I found the wrinkle thing to be way more convincing and taken as a much more serious consequence. Especially since the use of tanning beds is based on some sort of vanity and looking good in the first place.

526 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:33:32pm

BBL

527 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:33:45pm

re: #517 LudwigVanQuixote

Spin Spin Spin you little spin monkey spin!

Why are you being such a jackass?

528 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #527 cliffster

why don't you ask spare and mandy the same thing? >

529 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:34:32pm

re: #522 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree. And I'm not like Carter. But I did note my objection to Spare's comment earlier.

OK, really seriously. Do you know what a putz is? I am going to say categorically and for the record that shameless defamation of real victims while elevating oneself and distracting attention from the very real fear mongering of one's own party - is a putz move.

Can you define putz and then tell me how it was not properly used?

530 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:34:36pm

re: #509 Spare O'Lake

So you think that Cantor did not hear, from the police's preliminary investigation, that it came at a downward angle? You think that wasn't known by the cops until today?

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:34:37pm

re: #527 cliffster

Why are you being such a jackass?

Everyone is today. Myself included. I blame it on being sick, and freaked out that I took two sick days off from work.

532 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:00pm

re: #527 cliffster

Why are you being such a jackass?

Deflect deflect deflect. Why are you so adamant to defend liars?

533 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:02pm

re: #525 Jadespring

the point is, if a relative were doing that, I'd do my damndest to try to convince them to NOT do it. Its bad on any number of levels.

534 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:24pm

re: #529 LudwigVanQuixote

I thought it meant 'cock' >>

535 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:35:35pm

re: #515 windsagio

You even bolded the word try.

I'm being defensive because you're being insane, and wildly misrepresenting what I said into some kind of crazy anti-tanning police state.

If you really believe your libertarian values require you to not even suggest to your sister-in-law that she might be hurting herself, or even *gasp* try to convince her she shouldn't do it, then your philosophy is deeply inhuman and wrong.

At best, you're confusing 'trying to help people through advice' with 'forcefully imposing your will'.

Maybe we're talking in circles. I'm not talking about tanning specifically, I'm talking about your philosophy in general. The added tax and thoughts of an underage ban is all about limiting activity the government deems unhealthy. Is that something you would agree is appropriate?

536 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:36:41pm

re: #533 windsagio

the point is, if a relative were doing that, I'd do my damndest to try to convince them to NOT do it. Its bad on any number of levels.

And you are therefore evil.

537 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:36:56pm

re: #507 palomino

I don't think it's in Gehry's DNA to do anything really traditional or classical, so this is the probably the best we're gonna get from him. He tries to pay homage to the Greek classical white marble style with the use of several columns, but they are totally freestanding, no connection with larger structures. So it's "playful" and self-conscious in that post-modern aesthetic you referenced.

I think Gehry's biggest influence was a Spanish architect named Gaudi, whose stuff was very quirky, at least for his time (early 1900s)

Gaudi was always interesting. I like Green and Greene, Frank Lloyd Wright, Neutra. A lot of nameless designs as represented by craftsman-bungalow architecture. Gothic, the Woolworth Building.

Ugliest building I ever saw was the Marriot Hotel in San Francisco. OK, I admit there are plenty other examples of ugly.

538 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:33pm

Courtesy of FoxNews' front page comes this display of awesomeness.

Residents of Stephenville, Texas, say they're furious that a local university will allow the performance of a play in which a gay Jesus shares a kiss with Judas and marries two apostles in a same-sex ceremony.
539 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:36pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

Obama Mocks Republican 'Armageddon' Rhetoric, Confronts Heckler At Health Care Rally (VIDEO)


[Video]

Great clip. There's not a damn thing about this man that's radical, except that he's a Democrat and he's black.

540 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:45pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

Everyone is today. Myself included. I blame it on being sick, and freaked out that I took two sick days off from work.

I hope you're doing ok.. family's got stuff to deal with.

541 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:54pm

re: #528 windsagio

why don't you ask spare and mandy the same thing? >

Because with the truth and facts on our side, they have to reserve the right to be the only ones who can shout names or whine piteously when their virgin ears are offended by having their stupidity pointed out to them. It is the only way to be fair and balanced. They get to lie, distort, spin, call names and take mock offense.

We don't.

We covered this already.

542 Altermite  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:37:55pm

re: #529 LudwigVanQuixote

Please at least try to be civil, instead of peeing all over the thread. It doesn't matter if you are right at this point, since you're arguing your point like a chimp.

543 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:38:02pm

re: #535 RogueOne


Why are you talking about government actions when he was talking about personal interaction? Likewise, with me. Your response to me made no context; I'm talking about people reasoning with each other to try to get them to not take harmful actions. That's something humans do. It's a good thing. It's not intrusive any more than saying "duck" is when a baseball is whizzing towards someones head.

544 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:38:33pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

Feel better soon x

545 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:38:41pm

re: #534 windsagio

I thought it meant 'cock' >>

It does indeed. It means penis. It means prick. It means lying, dishonest invasive, unwelcome and unethical.

546 Pacificlady  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:38:56pm

Given the highly charged environment, and given that there was indeed a bullet hole in the window, I don't believe it was unreasonable to be concerned that his office was targeted. Give the guy a break. Obviously he isn't a ballistic expert. he may be guilty of over-reacting, but I think some of the responses here are over-reactions. Boy, isn't nice to come together as a country.

547 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:38:56pm

re: #535 RogueOne

I think an underage ban would be appropriate, long tradition and law have supported the idea that in the US, people under the age of 18 are incapable of making proper decisions for themselves. That being said, I wouldn't spend alot of energy pushing for such a ban, legislators could use their time on better things. I would apply a lot of pressure on people I knew personally to not do something so harfmul to themselves.

I don't like sin taxes at all. Its essentially the majority bullying an unpopular minority. I say raise taxes for everyone ;)

548 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:39:03pm

re: #542 Altermite

He made a perfectly logical argument that has already shown how much you have to stretch in order to show Cantor's behavior as appropriate and competent.

549 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:39:03pm
550 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:39:16pm

re: #528 windsagio

why don't you ask spare and mandy the same thing? >

What did they say today?

551 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:39:44pm

re: #543 Obdicut

Why are you talking about government actions when he was talking about personal interaction? Likewise, with me. Your response to me made no context; I'm talking about people reasoning with each other to try to get them to not take harmful actions. That's something humans do. It's a good thing. It's not intrusive any more than saying "duck" is when a baseball is whizzing towards someones head.

Then maybe I'm wrong but you didn't answer the question. Is the government leveeing fines appropriate if they believe the behavior is unhealthy?

552 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:39:59pm

re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote

wait, its deeply offensive to call someone a prick? I'm in SOOO MUCH TROUBLE!

553 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:40:10pm

re: #542 Altermite

Please at least try to be civil, instead of peeing all over the thread. It doesn't matter if you are right at this point, since you're arguing your point like a chimp.

Ohh please don't fall for that.

Are you really getting all offended that I said Cantor is a putz?

Are you honestly saying that was too far over the line?

please spare me.

554 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:40:19pm

re: #550 cliffster

They're going out of their way to incite fights, just like they normally do :P

555 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:40:24pm
556 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:40:45pm

re: #553 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, thats what we call 'concern-trolling' (not you Ludwig)

557 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:40:57pm

this is like being in a room full of people quiting smoking...

558 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:39pm

re: #304 ryannon

The first this (the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao) totally revitalized a dying post-industrial city (think little Detroit). No mean feat: Gehry is one of the very best 20th/21st century architects.

An impressive design--totally appropriate for an art museum. If only Detroit had a cultural landmark like the Guggenheim Museum.

559 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:41pm

re: #552 windsagio

wait, its deeply offensive to call someone a prick? I'm in SOOO MUCH TROUBLE!

I know man, my G-d that is up there with having your avatar being Calvin pissing on the Arabic name of God... It is clearly just as bad!

560 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:45pm

re: #557 brookly red

Which is my complaint.

When they want the fight that badly its really really hard not to eventually give in and let them have what they want. Especially if you're LVQ (no offense Ludwig :p)

561 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:47pm

re: #551 RogueOne

Wow, maybe i'm wrong, but you didn't answer my question either.

My answer to you is: Fining unhealthy behavior is not appropriate, no, unless it represents a risk to others. For example, fining mountaineers who climb off the allowed areas is perfectly fine, as if they fuck up it's going to require other people to risk their lives and well-being to save them.

Fining someone for a behavior that only hurts themselves is pointless.

Now, can you answer my question? Why did you take a comment about personal interaction and decide to start asking questions about governmental policy?

562 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:41:52pm

re: #556 windsagio

By the way, thats what we call 'concern-trolling' (not you Ludwig)

Ohh I know man.

563 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:06pm

re: #533 windsagio

the point is, if a relative were doing that, I'd do my damndest to try to convince them to NOT do it. Its bad on any number of levels.

I'm not arguing the point your making at all. I was just making a comment on what I have found most effective in advising on risks for that sort of thing.

I've worked with teens for years and have just found that talking about things like cancer risks don't sink in or seem as troubling as pointing things out like wrinkles and what you end up looking like. Same with smoking. Every knows about smoking and cancer, but point out and show the results on your skin and aging and it has a much more profound effect in terms of persuading them not too.

564 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:10pm

re: #560 windsagio

In fairness, I'm almost as bad. I shouldn't let them incite me.

565 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:17pm

re: #547 windsagio

I think an underage ban would be appropriate, long tradition and law have supported the idea that in the US, people under the age of 18 are incapable of making proper decisions for themselves. That being said, I wouldn't spend alot of energy pushing for such a ban, legislators could use their time on better things. I would apply a lot of pressure on people I knew personally to not do something so harfmul to themselves.

I don't like sin taxes at all. Its essentially the majority bullying an unpopular minority. I say raise taxes for everyone ;)

Then you may be more libertarian than liberal and I apologize./ (the first part was snark, the apology wasn't) We do though disagree about the ban. I don't think it's the governments role to play mom and dad.

566 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:19pm

re: #529 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, really seriously. Do you know what a putz is? I am going to say categorically and for the record that shameless defamation of real victims while elevating oneself and distracting attention from the very real fear mongering of one's own party - is a putz move.

Can you define putz and then tell me how it was not properly used?

I'm guessing the "p" word in question is "pussy", which you called me earlier. You're being a real jerk.

567 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:26pm

re: #560 windsagio

Which is my complaint.

When they want the fight that badly its really really hard not to eventually give in and let them have what they want. Especially if you're LVQ (no offense Ludwig :p)

what is this they you speak of?

568 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:42:35pm

*sticks head out*

Is it safe to come out today? It's not, is it?

569 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:43:09pm

re: #538 JasonA

Oh wow that's going to be fun to watch - Tarleton State Barber Clown College is not Berkeley. That's just a bunch of kids wanting to thumb their nose at the Man right there. The 1st Amentment allows a lot of things, but it won't stop an arse-kicking. Did no one in that theatre class see the episoe of Top Gear where the boys go to the South?

570 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:43:32pm

re: #568 EmmmieG
Pretty testy in here today. Wear a helmet.

571 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:43:53pm

re: #568 EmmmieG

*sticks head out*

Is it safe to come out today? It's not, is it?

depends...

572 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:43:54pm

re: #565 RogueOne

fair enough. It really is easy to get down each others throats about little things sometimes.

573 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:44:10pm

re: #571 brookly red

Lol I was gonna say that, dammit!

574 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:44:22pm

Glenn Beck - American Revival Tour This Saturday In Orlando

The end is near. Revisionist history and survivalist tips. Tickets still available.

575 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:44:36pm

re: #570 pingjockey

Pretty testy in here today. Wear a helmet.

Well, it's raining, so the boys' bicycle helmets are available.

576 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:44:55pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

Everyone is today. Myself included. I blame it on being sick, and freaked out that I took two sick days off from work.

I hope you feel better soon.
Have some chicken soup.

577 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:45:16pm

re: #566 cliffster

Why would pussy be any worse? Alot of the same arguments apply.

(please say pussy is worse than prick so I can get in a big dudgeon and call you sexist!!!)

578 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:45:22pm

re: #575 EmmmieG
Heh!

579 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:45:34pm

re: #566 cliffster

I'm guessing the "p" word in question is "pussy", which you called me earlier. You're being a real jerk.

Well now if you really want to whine about that, I called you a pussy for downdinging every true thing I dais about this case and only ythen coming out to play.

But you are right. I should not have been diplomatic and playful when I said don't be a pussy and come out and play.

I should have been more accurate and said, don't be a coward who is trying to defend the lies of his stinking party when they are caught red handed. Come out and take your lumps.

580 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:45:39pm

ok - i will try this definitively -

A broken window was found at Cantors (relatively) unlisted office - the media hears about it and confusion over the time line erupts.

Cantor makes a statement which deplores heightened rhetoric on all sides - using the bullet through his window as an example.

The actual facts about a sky bullet come in - and we find there to be NO there there, Cantor ends up looking like an ass for trying to play victim next to reps who's offices and personal spaces have actually on purpose violated.


does anyone disagree with that assessment??????????

581 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:45:50pm

re: #537 Gus 802

Gaudi was always interesting. I like Green and Greene, Frank Lloyd Wright, Neutra. A lot of nameless designs as represented by craftsman-bungalow architecture. Gothic, the Woolworth Building.

Ugliest building I ever saw was the Marriot Hotel in San Francisco. OK, I admit there are plenty other examples of ugly.

When - if - Prince Charles ever becomes King, his first order of business is going to be chastising the spiritual ugliness of modern architecture.

Oh, wait...he's been doing that for decades.

Personally I think ER II is planning to live forever. Failing that, outlive her dimwit son. I expect the crown will go to Bonnie Prince Billy, if he doesn't kill himself with blow and bimbos first, or his brother, Harry the Hairless.

582 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:46:09pm

re: #574 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck - American Revival Tour This Saturday In Orlando


[Video]The end is near. Revisionist history and survivalist tips. Tickets still available.

So. I'm wondering. Do those Glenn Beck approved Survival Seeds™ come with a supply of manure?

//

583 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:46:21pm

U.S. Capitol Police are investigating a threatening voicemail left in the office of Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio), her chief of staff said Thursday.

Schmidt's office was left a voicemail late Wednesday night in what appears to be the first instance of a Republican lawmaker being targeted for their healthcare vote.

The voicemail features a caller who talks of wishing the congresswoman had broken her back in a 2008, according to a recording send to the media by Schmidt's chief of staff, Barry Bennett.

SNIP

Capitol Police had briefed Democrats, but Republican leaders had said Wednesday they weren't aware of any similar briefing planned for Republicans.

SNIP

Yes, uh. Yeah, I'm glad, uh. the president passed healthcare, yeah. Funky-ass, racist-ass Republicans hate that, don't you? Jean [sic] Smith, when you got hit by that car or when you fell or whatever, you should've broke your back, b***h. You, and Boehner motherf***er, that Mitch McConnell -- all you racist f***ing Republicans. Why don't you just change y'all's party name to "racist"? 'Cause if one of those little f***ing Teabaggers would've spit on me, I would have socked them in the f***ing face with my f***ing .09 mm. F*** all you racist motherf***ers.

584 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:46:38pm

Glenn Beck on Threats and Violence Toward Democrats Over Health Care

It's a clever progressive plot to control the world!

585 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:46:54pm

re: #530 Obdicut

So you think that Cantor did not hear, from the police's preliminary investigation, that it came at a downward angle? You think that wasn't known by the cops until today?

The preliminary report was issued today, only two days after the event. That's what I know. What do you know?

586 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:46:55pm

re: #577 windsagio

Why would pussy be any worse? Alot of the same arguments apply.

(please say pussy is worse than prick so I can get in a big dudgeon and call you sexist!!!)

see that is the problem... we are talking about the front & yet dealing with the back.

587 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:47:04pm

re: #583 MandyManners

UH OH! THE OTHER SIDE DOES IT TOO! (tm)

588 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:47:30pm

re: #581 Cato the Elder
My wife is from over yonder(Wales) and thinks Charles will never be king, it'll go to William.

589 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:47:47pm

I should go get some food, so laters >

590 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:47:55pm

re: #582 Gus 802

So. I'm wondering. Do those Glenn Beck approved Survival Seeds™ come with a supply of manure?

//

Do they ever!!

591 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:48:01pm

re: #561 Obdicut

Wow, maybe i'm wrong, but you didn't answer my question either.

My answer to you is: Fining unhealthy behavior is not appropriate, no, unless it represents a risk to others. For example, fining mountaineers who climb off the allowed areas is perfectly fine, as if they fuck up it's going to require other people to risk their lives and well-being to save them.

Fining someone for a behavior that only hurts themselves is pointless.

Now, can you answer my question? Why did you take a comment about personal interaction and decide to start asking questions about governmental policy?

I knew there was still hope for you. You call yourself liberal but there's still a chance of saving your soul.//

I didn't try to turn anything around. He said he would "try to stop them" and that threw up the red flag. My personal convictions are the same as my political and that means that what people do is none of my business. People are entitled to live their lives as freely as possible from government or my involvement.

592 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:48:21pm

re: #580 wozzablog

ok - i will try this definitively -

A broken window was found at Cantors (relatively) unlisted office - the media hears about it and confusion over the time line erupts.

Cantor makes a statement which deplores heightened rhetoric on all sides - using the bullet through his window as an example.

The actual facts about a sky bullet come in - and we find there to be NO there there, Cantor ends up looking like an ass for trying to play victim next to reps who's offices and personal spaces have actually on purpose violated.

does anyone disagree with that assessment???

Just add the fact that he was trying to blame the Dems for the heightened crazy talk while falsely shifting attention away from the sins of his own party and being a craven opportunist and feeding the meme that the left is just as bad falsely, and you have it completely.

593 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:48:49pm

re: #579 LudwigVanQuixote

Nothing in the way you were acting indicated you were being playful. And nothing you've said since then says as much. I'm not whining, I'm saying you're being a jerk.

594 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:49:00pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck on Threats and Violence Toward Democrats Over Health Care


[Video]

It's a clever progressive plot to control the world!

And now we know the full details of Cantor's stunt. This really is preemptive spin doctoring with the left did it first meme.

595 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:49:19pm

Ah, good evening, Mandy. Have a cucumber sandwich and a glass of Tuquoque Dew, my finest single-malt.

596 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:49:34pm

re: #593 cliffster

Nothing in the way you were acting indicated you were being playful. And nothing you've said since then says as much. I'm not whining, I'm saying you're being a jerk.

And I am saying that you are a two faced partisan hack who deserves to be called on his endless bullshit.

597 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:49:36pm

re: #587 windsagio

Schmidt's office was left a voicemail late Wednesday night in what appears to be the first instance of a Republican lawmaker being targeted for their healthcare vote.


and for the wery wery first time over the HCR bill a Republican is targetted..........somebodies broken the wingnut concern cherry.

598 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:49:45pm

I'll be leaving you all to the rest of the evening without my involvement. Nite folks, enjoy the evening.

599 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:50:11pm

re: #583 MandyManners

Lots of name calling, but no actual threat of violence. Still, the person could stand to learn a bit of phone etiquette. Calling Schmidt, Boehner, and McConnell racists is probably stretching the truth a tad, however...and shouldn't be tolerated.

600 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:50:14pm

re: #588 pingjockey

My wife is from over yonder(Wales) and thinks Charles will never be king, it'll go to William.

I get the feeling that he'd be okay with that.

601 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:50:19pm

re: #597 wozzablog

and for the wery wery first time over the HCR bill a Republican is targetted...somebodies broken the wingnut concern cherry.

Change the sheets.

602 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:51:03pm

re: #574 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck - American Revival Tour This Saturday In Orlando

[Video]The end is near. Revisionist history and survivalist tips. Tickets still available.

Beck University? I hear that the founder Glenn Beck, gives great lectures at Basura Blanca Hall.

/

603 cenotaphium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:51:24pm

re: #535 RogueOne

Maybe we're talking in circles. I'm not talking about tanning specifically, I'm talking about your philosophy in general. The added tax and thoughts of an underage ban is all about limiting activity the government deems unhealthy. Is that something you would agree is appropriate?

Ideally laws are created with reason in mind. We don't allow people under a certain age to drink. This, because we know from science that drinking while the brain is still forming is very bad & we know from experience that just informing kids about this isn't successful. Hell, even making it illegal isn't very successful, but opens up a way to prosecute anyone trying to sell booze to kids in a large way.
Going from drugs (which most people think should be regulated) to tanning beds (which most people might think inconsequential) is of course an easier way to sell the "personal liberty" idea. And everyone would agree that there's a limit to the micromanaging that can be done in the name of what's "best for society".
I can't say what's best in this instance. The dermatological damage will certainly be visible "earlier", the younger someone starts to use tanning beds (a short term gain for long term damage problem).

However, just saying that "everyone is responsible for themselves, and it would be wrong to interfere" is a very simplistic world view. I can understand how it would be easy & comforting to employ it, but I think it's selling humanity short.

(if I have sold your philosophy short in that statement, please expound)

604 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:51:34pm

re: #596 LudwigVanQuixote

And I am saying that you are a two faced partisan hack who deserves to be called on his endless bullshit.

You see, there's really no reason for all that. I don't understand the need for all the hatred and vitriol. You're just being flat-out mean.

605 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:51:48pm

Y'all know how we say congress goes through money like a drunk sailor? You ought to see how fast 4 10 yr old boys can go through a jug of kool aid!

606 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:52:00pm

re: #599 darthstar

Lots of name calling, but no actual threat of violence. Still, the person could stand to learn a bit of phone etiquette. Calling Schmidt, Boehner, and McConnell racists is probably stretching the truth a tad, however...and shouldn't be tolerated.

oh, my bad, at first I though you meant here...

607 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:52:01pm

re: #585 Spare O'Lake

So then you're saying that Cantor was just depending on the police report, and didn't consider the bullet through the window sufficient to tell the police to keep him informed about the incident?

And that, even though he knew that he didn't know the specifics, he felt comfortable saying that the bullet had been shot through the window, positing it as an attack on the office?

608 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:52:46pm
609 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:53:14pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck on Threats and Violence Toward Democrats Over Health Care


[Video]It's a clever progressive plot to control the world!

I'm convinced. Beck's paranoid as hell.

610 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:54:08pm

re: #588 pingjockey

My wife is from over yonder(Wales) and thinks Charles will never be king, it'll go to William.

Charles is already our king............


(oh, different charles.........)

611 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:54:24pm

re: #608 Lidane

OT, but I'm not sure whether to laugh or break out the popcorn:

Coulter to file human rights complaint--Conservative pundit to go to Human Rights Commission over Ottawa treatment

well, neither... she is a lawyer after all.

612 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:54:25pm

re: #608 Lidane

OT, but I'm not sure whether to laugh or break out the popcorn:

Coulter to file human rights complaint--Conservative pundit to go to Human Rights Commission over Ottawa treatment

Wouldn't she have to be human first?

613 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:54:50pm

re: #604 cliffster

You see, there's really no reason for all that. I don't understand the need for all the hatred and vitriol. You're just being flat-out mean.

No not at all.

Flat out mean is diminishing the harm caused by Rush's racism and trying to convince people it is satire.

Flat out mean is pulling the same stunt by spining this stunt when it was always something that diminshed the very real threats and insults directed at Dem politicians.

Flat out mean is taking way from the fact that because people like you always find an excuse for it, elected representatives are spat on and called n*****.

Flat out mean is you.

I am pissed at your endless lies and distortions.

I am honestly and legitimately pissed.

So seriously, you want mean. Look in a mirror. You are a liar and your lies hurt people.

614 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:55:25pm

re: #608 Lidane
Well....They were protesting past stuff, not what she actually said, cause she didn't get to speak. Now if past statements are grounds for not letting folks whom you disagree with speak, then I'm up shit crick with the islamists.

615 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:55:27pm

re: #609 HappyWarrior

He's been out of his mind for quite some time.

616 jaunte  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:55:51pm

This story needs an illustration:
Image: CantorPlaint.jpg

617 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:56:07pm
618 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:56:12pm

re: #611 brookly red

well, neither... she is a lawyer after all.

Technically, Orly Taitz, Jack Thompson and Fred Phelps are all lawyers too. What does that have to do with anything?

619 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:56:24pm

re: #605 pingjockey

Y'all know how we say congress goes through money like a drunk sailor? You ought to see how fast 4 10 yr old boys can go through a jug of kool aid!

Did you actually see it go, or did you use a stop-motion camera?

620 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:56:25pm

re: #608 Lidane

OT, but I'm not sure whether to laugh or break out the popcorn:

Coulter to file human rights complaint--Conservative pundit to go to Human Rights Commission over Ottawa treatment

The speech was called off when a crowd of protesters showed up.

In her column, Coulter contended that it is Houle who is guilty of hate speech because his email sparked the protest and threats of physical violence against her.

Oh, asking her not to use hate speech is hate speech...now I get it.

Don't be hatin' on a hater.

621 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:57:20pm

re: #618 Lidane

Technically, Orly Taitz, Jack Thompson and Fred Phelps are all lawyers too. What does that have to do with anything?

well, working the system is working the system...

622 cenotaphium  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:57:53pm

re: #583 MandyManners

I would have socked them in the f***ing face with my f***ing .09 mm

Clearly, the perpetrator is from an island of pygmies and is suffering from a case of short-man syndrome.

/

623 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:57:58pm

re: #619 EmmmieG
Super slo-mo. Just like when they take off on their bicycles...big cloud of dust and then they're half down the street. Amazing.

624 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:57:58pm

re: #613 LudwigVanQuixote

Get a cup of tea mate.

625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:09pm

They did one of those "bullets fired into the air" on Mythbusters.

El Guapo and his gang must've been in town.

626 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:20pm

re: #599 darthstar

Lots of name calling, but no actual threat of violence. Still, the person could stand to learn a bit of phone etiquette. Calling Schmidt, Boehner, and McConnell racists is probably stretching the truth a tad, however...and shouldn't be tolerated.

Not sure there's much that can be done about it if there's no threat, unfortunately. Just being a complete asshole over the phone is probably still legal.

627 sandbox  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:39pm

re: #611 brookly red

The shrinking of freedom of speech rights in Canada is shameful.

628 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:43pm

Later folks. BBIAW

629 palomino  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:47pm

re: #537 Gus 802

Gaudi was always interesting. I like Green and Greene, Frank Lloyd Wright, Neutra. A lot of nameless designs as represented by craftsman-bungalow architecture. Gothic, the Woolworth Building.

Ugliest building I ever saw was the Marriot Hotel in San Francisco. OK, I admit there are plenty other examples of ugly.

Neutra houses suddenly got hot here in L.A. a few years back. Then our housing market crashed.

630 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:58:59pm

re: #626 SanFranciscoZionist

Not sure there's much that can be done about it if there's no threat, unfortunately. Just being a complete asshole over the phone is probably still legal.


I just feel sorry for the police, because now they have to deal with Jean Schmidt.

631 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:59:07pm

re: #607 Obdicut

I grow weary of your "so you're saying" approach. I have been clear in what I have said, and you on the other hand have said nothing.
The reason for the presser was to call out the Dem congressmen for spewing vitriol against fellow congressmen. The bullet through the window was a sideline picked up by Fox and then here.
Done.

632 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:59:26pm

re: #608 Lidane

OT, but I'm not sure whether to laugh or break out the popcorn:

Coulter to file human rights complaint--Conservative pundit to go to Human Rights Commission over Ottawa treatment

Hell, do both. This is going to be irritating, but funny.

633 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:59:52pm

re: #631 Spare O'Lake

I grow weary of your "so you're saying" approach.

That's what they do.

634 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:00:12pm

re: #614 pingjockey

Well...They were protesting past stuff, not what she actually said, cause she didn't get to speak. Now if past statements are grounds for not letting folks whom you disagree with speak, then I'm up shit crick with the islamists.

They didn't 'not let her speak', however, IIUC. They just protested.

635 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:17pm

re: #630 darthstar

I just feel sorry for the police, because now they have to deal with Jean Schmidt.

I do not know the Congresscritter well enough to comment on that fate.

636 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:40pm

re: #627 sandbox

The shrinking of freedom of speech rights in Canada is shameful.

well yes but I can't think of any place where free speech is actually increasing unless you wanna factor in Afghanistan... but well you know.

637 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:42pm

re: #627 sandbox

has this ben repealed?

(section 2)

[Link: www.efc.ca...]

Or are some people playing at how much they can get away with and then screaming "mummy, mummy look at the awful things happening to freedom when i shout fire at the theatre"

?

638 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:42pm

re: #631 Spare O'Lake

I grow weary of your "so you're saying" approach. I have been clear in what I have said, and you on the other hand have said nothing.
The reason for the presser was to call out the Dem congressmen for spewing vitriol against fellow congressmen. The bullet through the window was a sideline picked up by Fox and then here.
Done.

No you grow weary of logic. Your position is full of holes and you simply can not defend the indefensible. So rather than seeing that no matter ow you try to spin this it ends up worse, you keep emotionally and irrationally soldiering on.

639 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:46pm

re: #617 TheMatrix31

What a dick.

pretty bad if it's true...sounds like BO tho

640 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:52pm

re: #631 Spare O'Lake


The reason for the presser was to call out the Dem congressmen for spewing vitriol against fellow congressmen. The bullet through the window was a sideline picked up by Fox and then here.
Done.

Either you are being extremely cynical, or you're completely ignorant. Because it is abundantly clear the only reason Cantor called the press conference was to mention the bullet through his window.

641 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:01:56pm

re: #631 Spare O'Lake

I grow weary of your "so you're saying" approach. I have been clear in what I have said, and you on the other hand have said nothing.
The reason for the presser was to call out the Dem congressmen for spewing vitriol against fellow congressmen. The bullet through the window was a sideline picked up by Fox and then here.
Done.

What 'vitriol' are we talking about here?

642 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:02:12pm

re: #630 darthstar

is she the sartorially challenged one?

643 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:02:23pm

re: #557 brookly red

this is like being in a room full of people quiting smoking heroin...

fixed

644 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:03:02pm

re: #617 TheMatrix31

What a dick.

If this is printed someplace reputable, I might believe it. However I sincerely doubt this is true at this point.

645 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:03:51pm

re: #643 cliffster

fixed

no they just get sick... this is something different.

646 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:04:32pm

re: #557 brookly red

this is like being in a room full of people quiting smoking...

Heh.

647 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:05:15pm

re: #574 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck - American Revival Tour This Saturday In Orlando


[Video]The end is near. Revisionist history and survivalist tips. Tickets still available.

He calls it "Beck University"...but wouldn't he need...you know...a post high school education for that?

648 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:05:32pm

re: #644 LudwigVanQuixote

If this is printed someplace reputable, I might believe it. However I sincerely doubt this is true at this point.

You want the link to the AP article? Or are they not a reputable source?

649 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:06:09pm

re: #644 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, I wish you could be the one saying it, so it could come from a reputable source.

650 Mark Pennington  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:06:10pm

Of course there are fringes on both sides but a lot of Republican elected officials are in bed with the Tea Party and have encouraged its worst excesses. They haven't specifically said to shoot anyone, but they've consistently tried to cultivate the insanity in the hope of benefiting from the money and fanatical support of these people. Now these people have been hearing for two years that the president is an illegal alien terrorist who hates America, and they've been hearing for more than a year that this health care bill is going to bring Stalinism to the US and they have to save the country by fomenting a revolution. This genie is not going to go back into the bottle.

651 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:06:47pm

re: #642 wozzablog

is she the sartorially challenged one?

She's like Bachmann-Palin in overdrive. She's just one of the most vile creatures in Congress. Not a pleasant person.

652 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:07:03pm

re: #639 albusteve

The telegraph article says Bibi was stalling - and that Obama was informed of new settlements going into the heart of Palestinian ares of east Jerusalem moments before going into the meeting.

My conjecture - he didn't feel like Bibi came over playing with a straight deck and relayed the rules of the game, which are that he is the President of Israels biggest backer and he doesn't like being pissed all over minutes before a meeting.

653 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:07:22pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

You want the link to the AP article? Or are they not a reputable source?

/well depends on if they support me or not, sheesh.

654 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:08:36pm

re: #649 TheMatrix31

Yeah, I wish you could be the one saying it, so it could come from a reputable source.

haha!...anyway, I wonder who the congressman is and why they are so whimpy they won't be identified...

655 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:08:41pm

re: #651 darthstar

Gotcha. She is the one who called out Jack Murtha on cspan knowing he wasn't in the chamber.

Also has a hideous line in sweatsuits.

656 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:08:55pm

Good Lord People.. my power keeps going out here...
3 times in the last 30 minutes.. It takes the Hi-Def box around 5 minutes to reboot ( probably a Microsoft product) and March Madness starts in a few minutes.. So yes I'm mad...
It's tip off time!
I'm looking at you power company..Don't ruin this for me tonight

657 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:09:15pm

re: #649 TheMatrix31

I am sorry, I don't believe the London Times to be particularly more reliable than say Fox.

Give this the 48 hour rule. I am somehow certain this will turn out to be a bunch of smoke.

658 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:10:36pm

In the past two weeks, I've learned that I can't trust Rasmussen, the Wall Street Journal, the BBC, and the Times anymore.

Cool.

659 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:10:44pm

re: #617 TheMatrix31

What a dick.

The president met him, and talked with him. Was he supposed to drop all of his plans and take him to a movie too? Did you think Ariel Sharon was a dick when he refused to meet with Condoleeza Rice after she landed in Israel? Just blew her off completely.

660 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:10:50pm

re: #652 wozzablog

The telegraph article says Bibi was stalling - and that Obama was informed of new settlements going into the heart of Palestinian ares of east Jerusalem moments before going into the meeting.

My conjecture - he didn't feel like Bibi came over playing with a straight deck and relayed the rules of the game, which are that he is the President of Israels biggest backer and he doesn't like being pissed all over minutes before a meeting.

whatever...too bad BO has the entire settlement issue wrong...but I'd expect nothing less....(Bush did it too!)

661 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:14pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

I am sorry, I don't believe the London Times to be particularly more reliable than say Fox.

Give this the 48 hour rule. I am somehow certain this will turn out to be a bunch of smoke.

hahahahahaha & ha!

662 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:18pm

re: #656 HoosierHoops

Good Lord People.. my power keeps going out here...
3 times in the last 30 minutes.. It takes the Hi-Def box around 5 minutes to reboot ( probably a Microsoft product) and March Madness starts in a few minutes.. So yes I'm mad...
It's tip off time!
I'm looking at you power company..Don't ruin this for me tonight

The power gods are up there, playing with a little model of Hoops.

"Hee hee hee. Watch what he does when I do this."

"No, no, wait until that one guy has the ball. Then he'll really go nuts."

663 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:23pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

You want the link to the AP article? Or are they not a reputable source?

Walter, given your track record of swallowing false things hook line and sinker, you would benefit from giving this the 48 hour rule.

664 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:26pm

re: #655 wozzablog

Gotcha. She is the one who called out Jack Murtha on cspan knowing he wasn't in the chamber.

Also has a hideous line in sweatsuits.

Yep...that's what I was trying to remember...called Murtha a traitor.

665 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:37pm

aiming for 666, (or an upper floor office window)

666 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:44pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

You want the link to the AP article? Or are they not a reputable source?

I'd like it. Can't find.

667 Altermite  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:11:50pm

re: #548 Obdicut

He made a perfectly logical argument that has already shown how much you have to stretch in order to show Cantor's behavior as appropriate and competent.

I was talking about posts like 596. I have no issues with objections to Cantor's claims. The name-calling at other members of the community is beneath LVQ, though.

Or should be, at any rate.

668 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:12:11pm

re: #665 brookly red

aiming for 666, (or an upper floor office window)

You shot too soon.

669 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:12:27pm

re: #661 brookly red

hahahahahaha & ha!

Uhhh OK what do you know about this that I do not. If it is real then I will be very angry at Obama. However, I see nothing that I consider a reputable report as yet. There is nothing wrong with waiting 48 hours to find out the details.

670 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:12:30pm

Briefing by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, 3/24/10

Q On Israel, I'd like to ask you briefly about the visit yesterday by Prime Minister Netanyahu. As you know, diplomacy involves not just the substance of the event, but how it’s handled. And in this case, there were really none of the normal trappings of a foreign visit, in terms of press coverage and even a readout. Can you explain a little bit about why the White House decided to handle it that way?

MR. GIBBS: Well, let me categorize -- the President and the Prime Minister met, first off, the Oval, and had an honest and straightforward discussion about our relationship, about regional security and about comprehensive peace efforts. The President asked the Prime Minister to take steps to build confidence for proximity talks so that progress can be made towards comprehensive Middle East peace. There are areas of agreement, there are areas of disagreement, and that conversation is ongoing.

The Prime Minister arrived a little after 5:30 p.m. That meeting concluded a little after 7:00 p.m. last evening. The President went back to the residence. Prime Minister Netanyahu remained in the White House and consulted with his staff in the Roosevelt Room and then requested to see the President again, and they returned to the Oval Office at about 8:20 p.m. and met for a little more than half an hour.

Now, you can believe that or a tabloid. Your choice.

671 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:12:37pm

re: #659 darthstar

Yes.

672 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:12:56pm

re: #668 darthstar

You shot too soon.

it's hard to lead with vista...

673 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13:05pm

re: #659 darthstar

The president met him, and talked with him. Was he supposed to drop all of his plans and take him to a movie too? Did you think Ariel Sharon was a dick when he refused to meet with Condoleeza Rice after she landed in Israel? Just blew her off completely.

yeah, spread out the issue to uninvolved parties...how far back will that tactic go?...to 1948?

674 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13:07pm

re: #656 HoosierHoops

Good Lord People.. my power keeps going out here...
3 times in the last 30 minutes.. It takes the Hi-Def box around 5 minutes to reboot ( probably a Microsoft product) and March Madness starts in a few minutes.. So yes I'm mad...
It's tip off time!
I'm looking at you power company..Don't ruin this for me tonight

How do you like your new toys now? :P
(Damn right I'm envious!)

675 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13:38pm

Last time I checked the U.S. was the most powerful nation in the world and Israel was a close ally receiving several billions of dollars in aid. If Obama thought Netanyahu was jerking him around, why wouldn't he end the meeting? It's not like he doesn't have other shit to do.

676 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13:48pm

re: #656 HoosierHoops

Good Lord People.. my power keeps going out here...
3 times in the last 30 minutes.. It takes the Hi-Def box around 5 minutes to reboot ( probably a Microsoft product) and March Madness starts in a few minutes.. So yes I'm mad...
It's tip off time!
I'm looking at you power company..Don't ruin this for me tonight

If you were a true fan, you'd have backup power to last at last 6 hours. How could you go into this important event without proper contingency plans?

677 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13:57pm

re: #640 drcordell

Your statement is ludicrous and unsupported on its face.

678 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:14:12pm

re: #670 Gus 802

Briefing by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, 3/24/10

Now, you can believe that or a tabloid. Your choice.

And there you have it.

If Bibi comes out and says the President treated him badly then I will believe it. Otherwise this is crap.

679 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:14:22pm

re: #658 TheMatrix31

Times and BBC are ok in my book, but if it's a big story i always cast around and see what parts of the story merge.

Rasmussen are off the curve when it comes to pretty much every tracking poll - it's been explained elsewhere - but they just keep falling off the edge with their numbers.

680 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:14:30pm

re: #663 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter, given your track record of swallowing false things hook line and sinker, you would benefit from giving this the 48 hour rule.

Putz.

681 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:14:45pm

re: #664 darthstar

Yep...that's what I was trying to remember...called Murtha a traitor.

Wait. Is she the "Marines never surrender" one?

Oh.

682 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:14:51pm

re: #669 LudwigVanQuixote

Uhhh OK what do you know about this that I do not. If it is real then I will be very angry at Obama. However, I see nothing that I consider a reputable report as yet. There is nothing wrong with waiting 48 hours to find out the details.

no, you calling for the 48 hour rule... damn that's funny.

683 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:15:00pm

re: #677 Spare O'Lake

Your statement is ludicrous and unsupported on its face.

No it is completely logical. You seem to have a problem recognizing it when it hits you.

684 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:15:08pm

re: #679 wozzablog

I was told that The Times and the BBC are not good sources.

685 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:15:23pm

ok, time to walk the mastiffs...

686 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:15:39pm

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist

Got it in one.

687 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:15:40pm

re: #680 Walter L. Newton

Putz.

Ahhh and you are a schlemiel when it comes to facts.

688 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:16:10pm

re: #682 brookly red

no, you calling for the 48 hour rule... damn that's funny.

Why is that?

689 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:16:11pm

re: #677 Spare O'Lake

Your statement is la safe bet.

FixT

690 ShaunP  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:16:42pm

re: #684 TheMatrix31

I was told that The Times and the BBC are not good sources.

Whoever told you the BBC was an unreliable source was blatantly mistaken...

691 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:17:06pm

re: #689 windsagio

damn typo :(

692 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:17:35pm

re: #677 Spare O'Lake

Your statement is ludicrous and unsupported on its face.

Watch the video. Right Here. It's the crawl on the screen before he takes the podium. "Eric Cantor's office shot at." That is why the press conference was convened.

693 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:17:57pm

re: #690 ShaunP

Yeah, I know....hence my sarcasm regarding it all.

694 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:17:58pm

re: #684 TheMatrix31

Theres a bee in somebodies butt somewhere around here that the BBC is anti Israel - the Palestinians on the otherhand will tell you that it is an entirely zionist entity spreading propaganda.

Times - not in the same league as the UK sun, but it leans a little right by UK standards, the op-ed page is a little strange sometimes, but it's a paper i reach for when my main one is sold out.

695 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:07pm

re: #678 LudwigVanQuixote

And there you have it.

If Bibi comes out and says the President treated him badly then I will believe it. Otherwise this is crap.

Exactly. The gossip is based on 3rd or even 4th hand information. Even the AP report parrots the same line from the tabloid Yediot Ahronot. There was no press and no photographers present so you have to wonder how Yediot Ahronot would have got a hold of any information. The accuracy of this tabloid gossip is highly in doubt. If Bibi said this was the case than I would believe it. Otherwise, it's just more fabricated news.

696 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:19pm

re: #641 SanFranciscoZionist

What 'vitriol' are we talking about here?

Oy. I know you're not feeling well and I have to go now. But please look at my earlier posts and you will see where I quoted from the Fox article that Charles linked in the previous thread...it's all in there.
Feel better soon.

697 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:26pm

re: #684 TheMatrix31

I was told that The Times and the BBC are not good sources.

Not by me. I said the London Times is barely more accurate than Fox.

But, the Beeb sucks too. In fact you seem to also share the same complaints about them that I do....

You know, that:

The BBC is more of an anti Fox with its left leaning bias.

698 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:27pm

LGF opinion - how long can chicken soup sit out before you wouldn't eat it?

699 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:42pm

re: #694 wozzablog

Which is sad, it used to be THE paper of the World.

700 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:18:54pm

re: #684 TheMatrix31

I was told that The Times and the BBC are not good sources.

Who told you that, Ann Coulter? You shouldn't believe everything an ugly woman says.

701 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:19:49pm

re: #697 LudwigVanQuixote

I think the BBC is one of the best news sources we have, personally :p

People who feel strongly about issues often see opposing bias where there isn't any ;)

702 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:08pm

re: #698 cliffster

LGF opinion - how long can chicken soup sit out before you wouldn't eat it?

1 to 2 hours.

703 ShaunP  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:22pm

re: #698 cliffster

LGF opinion - how long can chicken soup sit out before you wouldn't eat it?

Overnight?

704 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:26pm

The Obama Administration is demanding that Israel hand over more West Bank land to exclusive PA control, including the Abu-Dis area adjacent to Jerusalem, Palestinian sources told Ynet Thursday.

According to the US vision, the move will take place as part of reverting to the state that prevailed in the West Bank before the outbreak of the last Intifada.

SNIP

The Palestinians added that President Obama also demanded that Netanyahu renew peace talks with Syria, as part of an effort to promote a comprehensive regional move that would assist in neutralizing Iran and forming a broad Arab anti-Iranian coalition.

PA officials estimate that the US has decided to present Netanyahu with the equation mentioned at the beginning of President Obama's term in office – Bushehr for Yitzhar", implying that Israel's cooperation in the West Bank is required in order to ensure American support against Iran. However, the Palestinians said that the US is not only setting its sights on isolated settlements such as Yitzhar, but also wishes to see a construction freeze in areas annexed to Israel.

SNIP

705 Altermite  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:28pm

re: #698 cliffster

LGF opinion - how long can chicken soup sit out before you wouldn't eat it?

I'd give it a few hours, unrefrigerated. Maybe not even that long, unless it is exessively salty.


It makes fantastic bacterial growth media.

706 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #698 cliffster

Not very long at room temperature, one or two hours, IIRC.

707 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:02pm

re: #699 windsagio

The Times?

It's ok. The stub pieces and reporting are alright - their investigative stuff is sometimes a little tacky and the op-eds can be weird, but over all compared to the Express, Mail and Sun - it's a becon of light.

708 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:25pm

re: #701 windsagio

I think the BBC is one of the best news sources we have, personally :p

People who feel strongly about issues often see opposing bias where there isn't any ;)

We can have a very long discussion about their biased and inaccurate reporting of Israel some other time. However, they are pretty good on other topics.

709 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:40pm

re: #701 windsagio

I think the BBC is one of the best news sources we have, personally :p

People who feel strongly about issues often see opposing bias where there isn't any ;)

I agree, the BBC is certainly fair and balanced. I don't know where anyone gets the idea that the BBC leans left.

Wozzablog... what say you?

710 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:47pm

re: #694 wozzablog

I began following (not necessarily believing, not always respecting, but following) Al Jazeera when their coverage of the Iraq war caused them to be temporarily banned from Egypt(?) as Zionist agents during the same week the US Military banned them from the press pool for showing US casualties, even though they had shown casualties from a half dozen wars up to then. When everyone hates you, you aren't necessarily right, but you're interesting.

711 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:48pm

re: #698 cliffster

[Link: www.fsis.usda.gov...]

712 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:49pm

People,

I was being sarcastic. I was told a few days ago here by some about how the WSJ, Rasmussen, and NBC/ BBC (by way of confirming the same info I and a couple others were using) were untrustworthy.

713 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:21:57pm

one or two hours.. hmm, looks like it might be a rough night for me.

714 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:22:02pm

re: #707 wozzablog

The Times?

It's ok. The stub pieces and reporting are alright - their investigative stuff is sometimes a little tacky and the op-eds can be weird, but over all compared to the Express, Mail and Sun - it's a becon of light.

Well that is an interesting point. Those other rags are insanity.

715 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:22:58pm

re: #708 LudwigVanQuixote

Which was my point of course, but you're right, lets not poison the discussion with that. Its crazy enough as it is :P

716 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:23:25pm

re: #696 Spare O'Lake

Oy. I know you're not feeling well and I have to go now. But please look at my earlier posts and you will see where I quoted from the Fox article that Charles linked in the previous thread...it's all in there.
Feel better soon.

Yeah. That's not vitriol. That may be mistaken, and I don't happen to believe it is, but vitriolic it ain't.

717 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:23:42pm

re: #714 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that is an interesting point. Those other rags are insanity.

Except for Pager Three in the Sun. Very accurate reporting, visionary to say the least.

718 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:23:47pm

re: #634 SanFranciscoZionist

They didn't 'not let her speak', however, IIUC. They just protested.

According to someone I know (he's not a young leftie dude but an old pastor dude who was there with some his old dude bloked) who was there hoping to get into hear her the story was of what happened was more then just a bunch of protester showing up. The actual protesters were a lot fewer in number then was initially reported the large bulk of the crowd were people who had signed up for the speech. They totally overbooked the hall. He said they were totally disorganized and started freaking out when they realized that. They also started freaking out when they realized that many of the people weren't strident Coulter supporters (not necessarily anti-coulter either) and started trying to vet people who they were letting in. So they shut the door when it was 1/4 full and left people standing in line while they figured out how to handle the crowd. Most of the people there were people who were in line to get in.
According to a reporter that investigated after the fact there was and offer to move to larger venue at one point.

Anyways so you have some people that are there to really protest and then a whole lot of people standing there wonder what the heck was happening and getting miffed at waiting and not knowing what was going on. Then a fire alarm went off and all the people in line had to leave but not the people in the auditorium. Then they came back and organizer comes out and started speechifying about censorship and most of the people were like huh wtf we just want to get in to hear her speak? What
s your problem. So you have people there who ARE protesting and lots of people there who are now getting miffed at the lack of organization and just general incompetence of how the thing was organized.

He said he has no clue where the 'whole violent angry thug crowd' thing came from because he didn't see it, getting annoyed at the situation yes but in no way a majority 'we want to shut her down.' Most there from his observation wanted to actually hear her. Sure he said there were people there that were yelling and chanting but they were not what it's been made out to be.

719 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:24:01pm

re: #698 cliffster

LGF opinion - how long can chicken soup sit out before you wouldn't eat it?

Ummm...morning to night, or overnight. Then I would probably toss it.

720 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:24:26pm

re: #713 cliffster

one or two hours.. hmm, looks like it might be a rough night for me.

You already ate it? ooh.

721 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:24:44pm

re: #709 Walter L. Newton

Sometimes you know an opinion is gonna be really unpopular, but you've gotta go with it anyways.

4 times now? *and don't you dare say "Socratic method!"

722 WindHorse  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:24:56pm

re: #719 SanFranciscoZionist

one way or another.....

723 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:25:03pm

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait. Is she the "Marines never surrender" one?

Oh.

Mean Jean. She's a peach! Stunning combination of dumb, nasty and money. Old school east side Cincinnati, she'd make Marge Shott blush.

724 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:25:07pm

re: #704 MandyManners

The Obama Administration is demanding that Israel hand over more West Bank land to exclusive PA control, including the Abu-Dis area adjacent to Jerusalem, Palestinian sources told Ynet Thursday.

SNIP

Palestinian sources have also reported in the past that Israelis are poisoning small children with chewing gum, so I would get a second source.

725 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:25:13pm

Guess who has had a Food Handler's Card in three counties.

726 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:25:25pm

re: #719 SanFranciscoZionist

per the USDA, 2 hours max.

Also "Don't taste food to see if its spoiled", which is words to live by.

727 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:26:01pm

re: #719 SanFranciscoZionist

Ummm...morning to night, or overnight. Then I would probably toss it.

Yeah, that was my thought. Now I'm thinking that might be a little lax. Oh well, guess I'll find out.

728 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:26:05pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

Palestinian sources have also reported in the past that Israelis are poisoning small children with chewing gum, so I would get a second source.

You know I was thinking along the same lines. Now we're taking the word of "Palestinian sources?"

729 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:26:47pm

re: #715 windsagio

Which was my point of course, but you're right, lets not poison the discussion with that. Its crazy enough as it is :P

Chicken soup?

730 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:26:52pm

re: #721 windsagio

Sometimes you know an opinion is gonna be really unpopular, but you've gotta go with it anyways.

4 times now? *and don't you dare say "Socratic method!"

Oh Glaucon...

731 ShaunP  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:27:16pm

re: #726 windsagio

per the USDA, 2 hours max.

Also "Don't taste food to see if its spoiled", which is words to live by.


Bah, what do those socialist hack know...

732 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:27:30pm

re: #726 windsagio

per the USDA, 2 hours max.

Also "Don't taste food to see if its spoiled", which is words to live by.

Oh, come on. Red meat is not bad for you! Green meat--now that's bad for you.

//

733 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:28:03pm

Cantor, you tool.

734 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:28:08pm

re: #728 Gus 802

You know I was thinking along the same lines. Now we're taking the word of "Palestinian sources?"

Well, what they say, they say for a reason, so it's good to know what they're saying. Taking it at face value...naah, not so much.

735 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:28:17pm

re: #719 SanFranciscoZionist

Ummm...morning to night, or overnight. Then I would probably toss it.

I wouldn't give it more than three or four hours out. It is insanely nourishing to bacteria and warm to boot. Fridge it right away (well when cool enough to package) if you are not eating it.

736 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:28:46pm

re: #631 Spare O'Lake

I grow weary of your "so you're saying" approach. I have been clear in what I have said, and you on the other hand have said nothing.
The reason for the presser was to call out the Dem congressmen for spewing vitriol against fellow congressmen. The bullet through the window was a sideline picked up by Fox and then here.
Done.

Which vitriol, dude?

737 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:29:26pm

re: #684 TheMatrix31

I was told that The Times and the BBC are not good sources.

By who? ;-)

738 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:29:28pm

re: #733 Varek Raith

Cantor, you tool.

Some of us think that word should not be used as a term of derision.

OK, one of us.

739 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:30:02pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

Palestinian sources have also reported in the past that Israelis are poisoning small children with chewing gum, so I would get a second source.

Seriously, if you hate our president so much that you would consider anything the Palis say politically particularly if even they are going the unamed source route, you have to be insane.

740 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:30:06pm

re: #738 wrenchwench

Some of us think that word should not be used as a term of derision.

OK, one of us.

Missed it.

Cantor, you fool.

Better?
;)

741 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:30:10pm

Opinions requested. Is Daniel Larison of The American Conservative a reliable voice on US/Israel relations?

742 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:30:57pm

re: #733 Varek Raith

Cantor, you tool.

Just out of curiosity, does tool, in this context, mean putz?

743 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:00pm

re: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

I wouldn't give it more than three or four hours out. It is insanely nourishing to bacteria and warm to boot. Fridge it right away (well when cool enough to package) if you are not eating it.

OK, Mr. Physicist. Move over for the Certified Food Handler.

744 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:19pm

re: #741 Stanley Sea

Opinions requested. Is Daniel Larison of The American Conservative a reliable voice on US/Israel relations?

IMHO, no.

745 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:24pm

re: #742 LudwigVanQuixote

Just out of curiosity, does tool, in this context, mean putz?

Yes.
:)

746 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:47pm

Former 'American Idol' Sanjaya Pulled Over in Washington State for Speeding
The Washington State Patrol says former "American Idol" star Sanjaya Malakar was caught speeding 110 mph on Interstate 405 outside of Seattle at Kirkland.

the article refers to this person as a he...I give it the 48hr rule

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

747 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:50pm

re: #738 wrenchwench

Some of us think that word should not be used as a term of derision. When used against Republicans.

OK, one of us.

FTFY ;)

748 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:53pm

re: #740 Varek Raith

Missed it.

Cantor, you fool.

Better?
;)

Yes, thank you!

(:

749 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:31:57pm

re: #736 WindUpBird

Which vitriol, dude?

From the Fox article:

Van Hollen told MSNBC on Wednesday that Republican leaders were "pouring more and more gasoline on the flames." Kaine, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said Republican leaders are "trying to stoke anger" with lies.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., in an interview with MSNBC Wednesday night, said people are getting "signals" from lawmakers on how to behave and that lawmakers need to "disown" the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable.

"If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really," Clyburn said.

And Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., told Fox News on Thursday that he thought House Republican Leader John Boehner should step aside for not being more vocal in denouncing the threats.

"He has a responsibility to step up and put an end to this," Hare said. "I think this is despicable."

I would disagree with Clyburn's use of the word 'terrorism', and I think it's extreme (and silly) to Boehner to step down.

But none of this will stand up to the party reversal test. If this were Republicans talking, the same folks that slam them would praise them, and versa vice.

750 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:32:06pm

re: #709 Walter L. Newton

As a leftwinger myself - i find them a little right of center, the right screams about them being left wing.

They are a pro-enlightenment organisation - so Christians and what not don't like how they treat gay issues and religious issues etc.

Left and Right thinks the BBC goes the other way - which i read as they are pretty much down the middle.

There are no single host opinion shows on the network and *Dateline London* with a selection of foeign correspondents from other networks is worth the liscense fee alone.

751 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:32:32pm

re: #742 LudwigVanQuixote

Just out of curiosity, does tool, in this context, mean putz?

Generally, yes.

752 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:32:41pm

re: #712 TheMatrix31

People,

I was being sarcastic. I was told a few days ago here by some about how the WSJ, Rasmussen, and NBC/ BBC (by way of confirming the same info I and a couple others were using) were untrustworthy.

I don't think the WSJ's reporting is untrustworthy, I think their op-eds have gone downhill because of the Murdoch ownership.

753 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:32:46pm

re: #744 wrenchwench

IMHO, no.

Thanks, just saw his link to Vdare. Should've read farther before I asked.

754 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:33:14pm

re: #746 albusteve

Former 'American Idol' Sanjaya Pulled Over in Washington State for Speeding
The Washington State Patrol says former "American Idol" star Sanjaya Malakar was caught speeding 110 mph on Interstate 405 outside of Seattle at Kirkland.

the article refers to this person as a he...I give it the 48hr rule

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I believe Sanjaya was a guy last time I was even vaguely aware of his existence. Has something changed?

755 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:33:28pm

re: #752 WindUpBird

I don't think the WSJ's reporting is untrustworthy, I think their op-eds have gone downhill because of the Murdoch ownership.

I don't like any paper's op-eds.

756 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:33:43pm

re: #749 SanFranciscoZionist

From the Fox article:

Van Hollen told MSNBC on Wednesday that Republican leaders were "pouring more and more gasoline on the flames." Kaine, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said Republican leaders are "trying to stoke anger" with lies.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., in an interview with MSNBC Wednesday night, said people are getting "signals" from lawmakers on how to behave and that lawmakers need to "disown" the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable.

"If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really," Clyburn said.

And Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., told Fox News on Thursday that he thought House Republican Leader John Boehner should step aside for not being more vocal in denouncing the threats.

"He has a responsibility to step up and put an end to this," Hare said. "I think this is despicable."

I would disagree with Clyburn's use of the word 'terrorism', and I think it's extreme (and silly) to Boehner to step down.

But none of this will stand up to the party reversal test. If this were Republicans talking, the same folks that slam them would praise them, and versa vice.

haha, yes, Clyburn is hamming it up like crazy, and it's stupid of the minority leader to step down over it.

757 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:33:53pm

re: #749 SanFranciscoZionist

From the Fox article:

Van Hollen told MSNBC on Wednesday that Republican leaders were "pouring more and more gasoline on the flames." Kaine, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said Republican leaders are "trying to stoke anger" with lies.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., in an interview with MSNBC Wednesday night, said people are getting "signals" from lawmakers on how to behave and that lawmakers need to "disown" the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable.

"If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really," Clyburn said.

And Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., told Fox News on Thursday that he thought House Republican Leader John Boehner should step aside for not being more vocal in denouncing the threats.

"He has a responsibility to step up and put an end to this," Hare said. "I think this is despicable."

I would disagree with Clyburn's use of the word 'terrorism', and I think it's extreme (and silly) to Boehner to step down.

But none of this will stand up to the party reversal test. If this were Republicans talking, the same folks that slam them would praise them, and versa vice.

But also it is clear that the GOP is feeding these fools red meat and has been for over two years now.

Birthers, Deathers, Sekrit Muslims... the list goes on and on. Th GOP is squarely to blame for aiding and feeding this hysteria and it has now gotten out of hand.

758 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:34:03pm

re: #747 LudwigVanQuixote

FTFY ;)

I think that was an objection to the derogatory use of 'tool', not to its use against Republicans. She's Wrenchwench, you see...wrenches...tools...

759 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:34:06pm

Regarding the BBC, I like their podcast for my news since they don't seem to be too sensationalist. The big problem with the media for me isn't political bias. It's sensationalism and focusing too much on stories like that Jon and Kate Plus 8 more than real pressing issues. Now some human interest and celeb news is fine. I completely understand if a big name celeb dies that it's gonna be news like it was with Michael Jackson but boy was I glad to be in Ireland and without a T.V in the townhouse where I Was staying when that happened.

760 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:34:27pm

re: #754 SanFranciscoZionist

I believe Sanjaya was a guy last time I was even vaguely aware of his existence. Has something changed?

I think his makeup is a little different somehow...

761 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:34:39pm

re: #751 SanFranciscoZionist

Generally, yes.

So it is OK to call a tool a tool or a putz a putz... that was my real point. I know full well that Cantor is a tool - or a putz or even a schmuck.

762 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:34:55pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that was an objection to the derogatory use of 'tool', not to its use against Republicans. She's Wrenchwench, you see...wrenches...tools...

D'oh...didn't make the connection. Sorry for dissing actual, inanimate tools.
:)

763 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:35:44pm

re: #709 Walter L. Newton

I agree, the BBC is certainly fair and balanced. I don't know where anyone gets the idea that the BBC leans left...


I agree on their fairness and extraordinary competence, but I've seen some small biases. One example-

Consider this last Ash Wednesday. VP Biden was in front of the cameras with that ash smudge on his forehead. It's a common practice among Anglicans, Catholics, and most Mainline Protestants. The reporters had no idea what was up with that spot on his head. They talked about it a few minutes and were utterly clueless. Their total ignorance of anything religious is a fairly regular thing. The last election coverage, when Romney's Mormonism was the subject, showed similar ignorance. They regularly questioned W.'s faith in a relatively clueless manner. They weren't against religion, but no one there has any personal experience or knowledge, so things get conflated, stupid questions are asked, etc. This maybe takes a very broad view of 'bias', but they're good enough I can't cite really juicy, fist thumping examples of bias for Auntie Beeb.

764 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:35:56pm

re: #755 Varek Raith

I don't like any paper's op-eds.

Or when you're reading a news story and they say "according to sources." Right. There's a giant flying saucer hovering over Denver right now. Don't tell anyone my name but it's true. /

765 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:02pm

re: #743 wrenchwench

OK, Mr. Physicist. Move over for the Certified Food Handler.

Rock on. I will take your advice. It seems that even my three or four hours was too long.

766 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:36:21pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that was an objection to the derogatory use of 'tool', not to its use against Republicans. She's Wrenchwench, you see...wrenches...tools...

Thank you. Words are not my tools, today.

767 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:37:12pm

Birth is a preexisting condition

The kid's 10 days old.

"While baby Houston is fighting for recovery, his parents found themselves in another battle: Fighting the insurance company, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas."

768 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:37:21pm

re: #766 wrenchwench

Thank you. Words are not my tools, today.

Then let me apologize to you please.

769 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:38:29pm

re: #768 LudwigVanQuixote

Then let me apologize to you please.

No problem.

770 stayfrosty  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:38:47pm

Wow, Charles, you're really working hard there to make it sound like Cantor was intentionally trying to mislead people with his "completely false" "claim". If a bullet goes through my window, regardless of whether it came from above, below, or the side, I'm reporting it to police.

771 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:39:21pm

re: #770 stayfrosty

lol, 'zoooom!'

772 ~Fianna  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:40:03pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Open up the FEMA camps!

/

That's the problem, isn't it? What do you do. Let it go, and it escalates; put a stop to it and they get to run around yelling that the jackbooted thugs are here to take them to a FEMA camp.

It's a no-win.

773 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:40:39pm

re: #770 stayfrosty

Wow, Charles, you're really working hard there to make it sound like Cantor was intentionally trying to mislead people with his "completely false" "claim". If a bullet goes through my window, regardless of whether it came from above, below, or the side, I'm reporting it to police.

First sleeper troll out of the wood work! This has been covered at length here son. Even the normal wingnuts are at a loss for a decent defense of him.

Now are you a troll from the village of the banned or just the normal sleeper nut?

774 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:41:04pm

re: #767 darthstar

Birth is a preexisting condition

The kid's 10 days old.

"While baby Houston is fighting for recovery, his parents found themselves in another battle: Fighting the insurance company, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas."

Crap. I can't even imagine what I would think in a situation like that.

Poor little guy. I hope things go well for him.

775 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:41:11pm

re: #770 stayfrosty

Wow, Charles, you're really working hard there to make it sound like Cantor was intentionally trying to mislead people with his "completely false" "claim". If a bullet goes through my window, regardless of whether it came from above, below, or the side, I'm reporting it to police.

Working hard = pointing out facts.

Are facts hard for you? :D

776 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:41:45pm

re: #770 stayfrosty

Heh, the bullet came from a downward angle. Meaning the gun was fired into the air. Unless he was a physics geek, it wasn't "targeted" at the Reps office.
;)

777 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:42:11pm

Troll time!

778 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:42:15pm

re: #767 darthstar

Birth is a preexisting condition

The kid's 10 days old.

"While baby Houston is fighting for recovery, his parents found themselves in another battle: Fighting the insurance company, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas."

I wonder if the Tea Party wackos will scream at that kid for wanting GUBMENT HALTH CAARE

779 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:42:26pm

re: #774 SanFranciscoZionist

Crap. I can't even imagine what I would think in a situation like that.

Poor little guy. I hope things go well for him.

Did I mention that insurance companies are evil and parasitic entities? Did I mention that defending them is self destructive?

I think I did.

But please let's not slow the flow of kick backs to the GOP.

780 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:42:46pm

re: #770 stayfrosty

I'm reporting it to police.


Cantor reported it to the press.

781 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:42:46pm

re: #767 darthstar

Birth is a preexisting condition

The kid's 10 days old.

"While baby Houston is fighting for recovery, his parents found themselves in another battle: Fighting the insurance company, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas."

Poor little guy. I have a heart condition myself. Hope it all works out for him and his family.

782 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:05pm

re: #776 Varek Raith

Heh, the bullet came from a downward angle. Meaning the gun was fired into the air. Unless he was a physics geek, it wasn't "targeted" at the Reps office.
;)

Wingnut needs remedial physics. :D

783 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:38pm

re: #772 ~Fianna

That's the problem, isn't it? What do you do. Let it go, and it escalates; put a stop to it and they get to run around yelling that the jackbooted thugs are here to take them to a FEMA camp.

It's a no-win.

Hmm. Well, the other option is that once the health care package goes into full effect we can institute Mental Panels™ and instead of sending them to FEMA camps we can send them to the newly constructed Homeland Sanatoriums for Wingnuts™.

784 ShaunP  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:38pm

re: #780 darthstar

Cantor reported it to the press.

Is there a way to 10x upding?

785 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:42pm

Wow, I saw an upding that preceded the comment it updinged. (Updang?)

786 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:43:50pm

re: #778 WindUpBird

I wonder if the Tea Party wackos will scream at that kid for wanting GUBMENT HALTH CAARE

They don't owe him anything!

Seriously, I don't want to be hostile, but this kind of thing is one of the many myriad of reasons we needed to get started fixing health care in this country, damnit

787 sandbox  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:44:17pm

re: #776 Varek Raith

We're talking about a bullet--not a bird flying into the window. Bullets are fired from......guns.

788 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:44:27pm

BTW Cato, the village of the Banned had an outpouring of the best, finest Texas grade black crude, diarrhea last night.

The Rodent was especially drunk and miserable. I wonder if he has gotten over his hangover.

789 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:44:32pm

laters kids.

Under the weather today, an early night hopefully has my name on it.

790 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:44:48pm

re: #787 sandbox

We're talking about a bullet--not a bird flying into the window. Bullets are fired from...guns.

Yes. But in this case, not one aimed at the window.

791 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:44:55pm

re: #786 SanFranciscoZionist

They don't owe him anything!

Seriously, I don't want to be hostile, but this kind of thing is one of the many myriad of reasons we needed to get started fixing health care in this country, damnit

Absolutely.

792 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:45:27pm

re: #787 sandbox

Yes but not in this case -as he tried to infer - at Rep Cantors office.

793 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:45:28pm

re: #787 sandbox

We're talking about a bullet--not a bird flying into the window. Bullets are fired from...guns.

No shit. So, how was his office "targeted" with a randomly fired gun? This is Richmond...

794 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:45:35pm

re: #787 sandbox

We're talking about a bullet--not a bird flying into the window. Bullets are fired from...guns.

We're talking about a bullet that could not penetrate the blinds. Granted, they could have been those old fashioned wooden ones, but still.

795 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:46:00pm

re: #779 LudwigVanQuixote

Did I mention that governments are evil and parasitic entities? Did I mention that defending them is self destructive?

FTFY

796 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:46:06pm

re: #790 SanFranciscoZionist

see 792 and get out of my head young lady ;-)

797 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:46:08pm

re: #787 sandbox

We're talking about a bullet--not a bird flying into the window. Bullets are fired from...guns.

Or spent bullets can be shot from a sling-shot. Given the velocity with which this bullet entered the window, either it was fired from a distance of over a mile, or someone used a wrist-rocket to lob it through the window (i.e. a hoax). If it's the latter, then there are probably finger prints on it.

798 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:46:30pm

re: #795 Lateralis

ANARCHY!1!!1!

799 sandbox  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:07pm

re: #790 SanFranciscoZionist

It came thru the window--not a skylight.

800 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:29pm

re: #799 sandbox

It came thru the window--not a skylight.

Do read the police report.

801 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:29pm

re: #797 darthstar

Or spent bullets can be shot from a sling-shot. Given the velocity with which this bullet entered the window, either it was fired from a distance of over a mile, or someone used a wrist-rocket to lob it through the window (i.e. a hoax). If it's the latter, then there are probably finger prints on it.

That latter sounds a bit out of the realm of possibility, if they didn't also paint slogans on the street, or do something to make it seem a bit more threatening.

802 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:36pm

re: #782 WindUpBird

Wingnut needs remedial physics. :D

LOL... May I say for the record. And I don't write enough that is positive -

Please let me thank all of those lizards who have taken the time to realize that physics is real and who like to honestly reason. I spend so much time dealing with the illiterate fools of wingnuttia, that I don't ever mention how much I appreciate how smart and educated most lizards really are.

So seriously, I do love you guys - even if or when we argue about politics.

803 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:37pm

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak


"WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT" CBS News Exclusive: Anti-abortion rights Democrat, Bart Stupak has received numerous threats against him and his family in the wake of his vote for health care reform. CBS News has obtained some of the audio recordings.
804 stayfrosty  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:47:53pm

re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote

First sleeper troll out of the wood work! This has been covered at length here son. Even the normal wingnuts are at a loss for a decent defense of him.

Now are you a troll from the village of the banned or just the normal sleeper nut?

I read the thread, Mr. Thread Police, and didn't see anything "covered" except a bunch of people agreeing with each other for political reasons that Cantor should have somehow "known" the bullet was a random bullet, not a "bad" bullet, before reporting it.

805 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:03pm

re: #799 sandbox

Really?

oh. Boy.

Yes - at a downward angle - with no velocity to penetrate any further.

806 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:32pm

re: #786 SanFranciscoZionist

They don't owe him anything!

Seriously, I don't want to be hostile, but this kind of thing is one of the many myriad of reasons we needed to get started fixing health care in this country, damnit

Yup.

I just want ethics forced into the system, portability, and proper distribution of risk so costs go down. Seems pretty conservative and logical to me!

807 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:33pm

re: #799 sandbox

It came thru the window--not a skylight.

True. But that doesn't change the physics of the situation.

808 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:36pm

re: #799 sandbox

It came thru the window--not a skylight.

protected by her silver spoon

809 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:50pm

re: #795 Lateralis

FTFY

Good fix.

810 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:48:51pm

re: #616 jaunte

This story needs an illustration:
[Link: i452.photobucket.com...]

"Shooty. No shooty."

811 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:49:01pm

That's it folks...Health Care passed...ARMAGEDDON!...as in armageddon outa here...see you later.

812 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:49:04pm

re: #794 wrenchwench

We're talking about a bullet that could not penetrate the blinds. Granted, they could have been those old fashioned wooden ones, but still.

Yep. Many folks seem to be in need of this:

Ballistics for Dummies

813 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:49:13pm

re: #795 Lateralis

FTFY

haha okay, so you hate America? :D

814 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:49:52pm

re: #804 stayfrosty

Bullshit.

This is not about reporting it to the police - if thats what you infer, it's about using it as an incidence of political terrorism at a time of heightend tension - on his own side.

Then we find out there is NO there there.

End.

815 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:50:16pm

re: #799 sandbox

It came thru the window--not a skylight.

Did you ever pass high school?

What gun, when fired directly at a window, will propel a bullet through the glass, but be stopped by a quarter millimeter of plastic?

816 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:50:39pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

Jesus. I wonder what they would say about this guy if he actually enabled some abortions?

817 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:50:45pm

re: #815 WindUpBird

Did you ever pass high school?

What gun, when fired directly at a window, will propel a bullet through the glass, but be stopped by a quarter millimeter of plastic?

Maybe Superman fired it.

818 stayfrosty  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:50:51pm

Yea, cause the first thing I do when a fucking bullet comes through my window is break out the protractor and start calculating trajectories, not call the police.

819 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:51:14pm

re: #816 SanFranciscoZionist

They wouldn't say anything. It's bullets in church.

820 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:51:39pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

I wonder why Stupak didn't release the terrible threats he received from pro-choice activists to CBS?

/

821 ~Fianna  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:51:57pm

re: #783 Gus 802

Hmm. Well, the other option is that once the health care package goes into full effect we can institute Mental Panels™ and instead of sending them to FEMA camps we can send them to the newly constructed Homeland Sanatoriums for Wingnuts™.

Now, THAT is change I can believe in!

822 stayfrosty  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:00pm

re: #814 wozzablog

Bullshit.

This is not about reporting it to the police - if thats what you infer, it's about using it as an incidence of political terrorism at a time of heightend tension - on his own side.

Then we find out there is NO there there.

End.

OK, so all the Democrat's whose offices were attacked in one way or another and it was made known to the press, they're using it on "their own side". Gimme a break dude. If Cantor had a D next to his name, this entire thread would be running the other way.

823 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:07pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

That first guy must have been cursing a blue streak. That's the longest bleep-out I've heard in a long time.

824 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:08pm

re: #818 stayfrosty

Way to miss a point.

It's about him trying to politicise it before he even knew the facts.

825 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:10pm

re: #818 stayfrosty

Yea, cause the first thing I do when a fucking bullet comes through my window is break out the protractor and start calculating trajectories, not call the police news organizations.

Fixed that for Mr. Cantor.

826 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:15pm

re: #746 albusteve

the article refers to this person as a he...I give it the 48hr rule

How you could mistake that for a female is beyond me.

Female:
[Link: images.google.com...]

Not Female:
[Link: images.google.com...]

827 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:15pm

re: #818 stayfrosty

Yea, cause the first thing I do when a fucking bullet comes through my window is break out the protractor and start calculating trajectories, not call the police.

Oh boy, yes that is sort of the point. Of course he called the police - or his manager did and then he read the report and then he used it as a craven political opportunity based on a lie.

828 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:22pm

re: #804 stayfrosty

I read the thread, Mr. Thread Police, and didn't see anything "covered" except a bunch of people agreeing with each other for political reasons that Cantor should have somehow "known" the bullet was a random bullet, not a "bad" bullet, before reporting it.

You uh didn't understand the thread then. Maybe you could have someone smarter explain it to you?

829 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:36pm

re: #813 WindUpBird

haha okay, so you hate America? :D

Wow. That was a leap. Big government, which ours is getting bigger every day, is not good for the human spirit.

830 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:39pm

re: #804 stayfrosty

I read the thread, Mr. Thread Police, and didn't see anything "covered" except a bunch of people agreeing with each other for political reasons that Cantor should have somehow "known" the bullet was a random bullet, not a "bad" bullet, before reporting it.

You failed to read the thread, then.

831 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:40pm

re: #822 stayfrosty

OK, so all the Democrat's whose offices were attacked in one way or another and it was made known to the press, they're using it on "their own side". Gimme a break dude. If Cantor had a D next to his name, this entire thread would be running the other way.

NO he would still be a putz for lying.

832 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:48pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

Oh christ on a stick. F-ing psychos.

833 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:52:59pm

Sigh, as soon as I arrive, I must leave.

BBL.

:)

834 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:08pm

re: #817 Jeff In Ohio

Maybe Superman fired it.

It was totally that bullet from the Korn Freak on a Leash video. it just turned in midair and stopped, after having gotten bored.

835 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:15pm

re: #820 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder why Stupak didn't release the terrible threats he received from pro-choice activists to CBS?

/

ReleaseGate!

836 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:21pm

re: #808 albusteve

protected by her silver spoon

I always wear one in my breast pocket, just in case.

837 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:38pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

Yeah, that sounds like what Jesus would've said.

838 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:48pm

re: #830 SanFranciscoZionist

You failed to read the thread, then.

He claimed that he had read the thread... That is almost always proof that they didn't. Why even bring it up if not pre-emptively defending ignorance?

839 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:53:56pm

re: #826 negativ

How you could mistake that for a female is beyond me.

Female:
[Link: images.google.com...]

Not Female:
[Link: images.google.com...]

I'm blind in one eye, and can't see out of the other

840 sandbox  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:54:18pm

re: #822 stayfrosty

exactly. The Social Democrats and Pres Obama pass an unpopular medical care bill. Now they're sore winners.

841 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:54:29pm

re: #822 stayfrosty

OK, so all the Democrat's whose offices were attacked in one way or another and it was made known to the press, they're using it on "their own side". Gimme a break dude. If Cantor had a D next to his name, this entire thread would be running the other way.

Obvious partisan whining is obvious.

You're the blind whiny partisan here, not us. I'm a liberal, and I'm happy to call out liberals when they do stupid shit.

842 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:54:34pm

re: #822 stayfrosty

Bullshit - the congresspersons ransacked office and the nazi symbol painted on the reps sign and the white powder to Rep Weiner.


Cantor did not know the facts about where the bullet came from, there was no specific threat against the office - nothing at all for him to fall back on when trying to tie it to a political act. Which it wasn't.

843 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:55:42pm

re: #834 WindUpBird

one of my top 5 music vids. i must head straight to youtube now :-)

844 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:55:45pm

re: #815 WindUpBird

What gun, when fired directly at a window, will propel a bullet through the glass, but be stopped by a quarter millimeter of plastic?

Quick! Let's call Oliver Stone. Or Alex Jones. I'm sure they have a few theories about that. ;)

845 ~Fianna  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:55:49pm

re: #804 stayfrosty

I read the thread, Mr. Thread Police, and didn't see anything "covered" except a bunch of people agreeing with each other for political reasons that Cantor should have somehow "known" the bullet was a random bullet, not a "bad" bullet, before reporting it.

Oh, that's not what we're saying at all... and I suspect that you, at least on some level, know that... except admitting that would hurt, so, like the rest of your friends, you'd rather put your hands over your eyes and just make stuff up.

Now, tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

846 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:55:50pm

re: #823 SanFranciscoZionist

That first guy must have been cursing a blue streak. That's the longest bleep-out I've heard in a long time.

Yeah, I hope someone leaks the unedited version.

847 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:55:52pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

Yes but if you listen to this, it is right wing Jesus people threatening him - not liberals!

848 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:56:00pm

re: #818 stayfrosty

Yea, cause the first thing I do when a fucking bullet comes through my window is break out the protractor and start calculating trajectories, not call the police.

Well, if the first thing you do is whine to the press, then you're Eric Cantor.

849 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:56:24pm

re: #844 Lidane

Quick! Let's call Oliver Stone. Or Alex Jones. I'm sure they have a few theories about that. ;)

It was the Illuminati duh.

850 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:56:26pm

re: #836 SanFranciscoZionist

I always wear one in my breast pocket, just in case.

I never log onto LGF without full body armor...I'm typically surrounded so a mere spoon won't save me

851 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:56:34pm

re: #374 Lateralis

Were you on Medved's show about 2 hours ago. I heard Medved shoot down this same rant from a lefty.

No I was not on Medved's show, but nice retort. Maybe next time you can evolve into a full fledged ditto-head and actually repeat the wisdom of the Great Mustache instead of just hinting at it.

852 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:56:43pm

re: #844 Lidane

Quick! Let's call Oliver Stone. Or Alex Jones. I'm sure they have a few theories about that. ;)

Alex Jones is too busy hiding from the census, because he's afraid it'll violate his tender nethers with its evil questions about what time your commute is. :D

853 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:57:19pm

re: #837 JasonA

Yeah, that sounds like what Jesus would've said.

Thou shalt f---- upon your mother's ------- and behold your ----- upon thine --------, you -----ing -------!

854 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:57:36pm

re: #843 wozzablog

one of my top 5 music vids. i must head straight to youtube now :-)

Ever heard the Jonathan Davis song "Forsaken" off the Queen of the Damned Soundtrack? it's sorta like goth-Korn. Badass stuff :D

855 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:57:46pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the audio: Threats Made Against Rep. Stupak

Yeah, but according to Cantor we're not supposed to talk about it for fear that it might become partisan. Let's see. I'm pretty sure those crazy people that left those phone message have a partisan agenda.

856 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:57:49pm

i was born for this fox news comment-enabled story

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

857 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #851 goddamnedfrank

No I was not on Medved's show, but nice retort. Maybe next time you can evolve into a full fledged ditto-head and actually repeat the wisdom of the Great Mustache instead of just hinting at it.

Medved! Man that guy is great with his wigging out about sasquatch :D

858 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:05pm

re: #854 WindUpBird

will check it :-)

859 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:10pm

re: #853 Killgore Trout

Thou shalt f--- upon your mother's --- and behold your --- upon thine ---, you ---ing ---!

ha...good one

860 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:29pm

re: #853 Killgore Trout

Thou shalt f--- upon your mother's --- and behold your --- upon thine ---, you ---ing ---!

I clicked the plus sign fifty times, but it only gave you one :(

You know, listening to those screeds again made me think of last night's South Park episode.

861 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:34pm

I respect Stupak more now than a week ago. He has not made political hay out of the demonstrators, he's paid an enormous price for supporting the bill. This will likely be his last term. His family is paying an enormous price I don't agree that a zygote has a soul, and I'm a somewhat pro choice Republican instead of a pro life Democrat, but he's fought hard -yet professionally- all the way through this thing. His attempts to hold up this process have been based on his ideology instead of shaking down the government for more like certain others in Louisiana or Iowa - if that's where cornhuskers come from. I would never, ever vote for him, but he appears to have more class than most other characters in the recent news.

862 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:44pm

re: #855 Gus 802

Yeah, but according to Cantor we're not supposed to talk about it for fear that it might become partisan. Let's see. I'm pretty sure those crazy people that left those phone message have a partisan agenda.

Apparently, Cantor believes that Good Men Should Do Nothing, hahaha

863 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:58:48pm

Seriously, let's make this really clear so that the liberals are threatening meme does not get fed.

The vile threats against Stupak are coming from Jesus people who call him a baby killer and are pissed at him for (they think) helping health care go through. The wingnuts are now attacking their own.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

864 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:59:37pm

Walter here?

865 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:59:48pm

re: #822 stayfrosty

OK, so all the Democrat's whose offices were attacked in one way or another and it was made known to the press, they're using it on "their own side". Gimme a break dude. If Cantor had a D next to his name, this entire thread would be running the other way.

Perhaps it would, with some posters at any rate. I suspect, rightly or wrongly, that you are one of them. If Cantor had a D by his name, what would you be saying about him right now?

866 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:59:54pm

In other Healthcare news. My coverage was canceled because my last payment (which was late) never arrived at my insurance company. Or they didn't catalog it in time. Not sure what happened, they're still trying to figure it out.

867 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:00:05pm

re: #856 spacejesus

i was born for this fox news comment-enabled story

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What I find really funny is that they consider this front page news with a very prominent image.

868 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:00:08pm

re: #862 WindUpBird

Apparently, Cantor believes that Good Men Should Do Nothing, hahaha

It's more than ironic that Cantor would be lobbying for silence. It's almost troubling.

869 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:00:11pm

re: #863 LudwigVanQuixote

Seriously, let's make this really clear so that the liberals are threatening meme does not get fed.

The vile threats against Stupak are coming from Jesus people who call him a baby killer and are pissed at him for (they think) helping health care go through. The wingnuts are now attacking their own.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

It just so happens that when an elected Republican calls Stupak a baby killer, the abortion wackos take that as a cue.

Juts so happens...

Total coincidence...

870 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:00:14pm

re: #856 spacejesus

i was born for this fox news comment-enabled story

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Go get 'em oh alien son of the Royal line!

871 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:00:22pm

re: #860 JasonA

You know, listening to those screeds again made me think of last night's South Park episode.

I loved that episode. Butters was hilarious in taking advantage of Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Stan for once. Heh.

872 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:00:22pm

re: #851 goddamnedfrank

I especially loved "biblical preconditions for the end times". What a bunch of left wing bullshit.

873 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:01:18pm

re: #868 Gus 802

It's more than ironic that Cantor would be lobbying for silence. It's almost troubling.

Of course he is. That is part of the shhh Dems don't make noise about being attacked or called racial epithets theme... people may put two and two together, with a dose of hey brown and gay people shut up and know your place.

874 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:01:29pm

re: #866 Killgore Trout

In other Healthcare news. My coverage was canceled because my last payment (which was late) never arrived at my insurance company. Or they didn't catalog it in time. Not sure what happened, they're still trying to figure it out.

Might they uncancel it?

875 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:01:40pm

re: #872 Lateralis

I especially loved "biblical preconditions for the end times". What a bunch of left wing bullshit.

personally, I love bad radio. Do you also listen to a lot of Mark Levin with your Medved?

876 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:01:42pm

re: #854 WindUpBird

Pretty darn good - thanks for the heads up :-)

877 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:02:00pm

re: #864 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter here?

I stuffed him the trunk...
Hi Veggie!
Halftime and Butler which is about 30 minutes from me is just kicking ass...

878 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:02:03pm

re: #871 Lidane

I loved that episode. Butters was hilarious in taking advantage of Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Stan for once. Heh.

What bothered me was that all four of the kids were total douchebags. Not one of our main characters were likable, not even Kyle!

879 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:02:31pm

re: #876 wozzablog

Pretty darn good - thanks for the heads up :-)

That's one of my favorite things to just crank up to 11 in my car and shout along to. I love scary vampire songs. :D FALLING IN A VAAAST ABYSSSS

880 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:02:32pm

re: #875 WindUpBird

personally, I love bad radio. Do you also listen to a lot of Mark Levin with your Medved?

Can't wait to hear what you think is good radio.

881 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:02:57pm

re: #856 spacejesus

i was born for this fox news comment-enabled story

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'd totally go and see that play, just as a show of support for the school putting it on. That's awesome.

Sadly, they've had to not only change the time of the play, but limit access to it as well:

[Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

882 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:03:44pm

re: #877 HoosierHoops

I stuffed him the trunk...
Hi Veggie!
Halftime and Butler which is about 30 minutes from me is just kicking ass...

GO MOUNTAINEERS!

883 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:03:55pm

re: #878 JasonA

What bothered me was that all four of the kids were total douchebags. Not one of our main characters were likable, not even Kyle!

You have to admit, though, all four of them usually ARE douchebags to Butters. It was high time he got some sort of revenge for it, even if his crush Kim Kardashian had to die in the process.

884 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:04:13pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

I know that any time I hope to influence someone's opinions or behavior, I usually have great success with calling up anonymously and leaving message that make me sound like an insane rampaging rage engine. That's what Dale Carnegie suggested. "Be a venomous, shit-flinging monkey whenever possible" is always the best way to win friends and influence people.

885 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:04:28pm

re: #880 Lateralis

Can't wait to hear what you think is good radio.

Phil Hendrie. :) Possibly the greatest radio satirist in history.

And Rick Emerson, who is a locak hot talk/pop culture host, but he's off the air now.


(sorry man, if you think I listen to liberal radio, you are MISTAKEN, it's dire garbage)

886 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:04:32pm

re: #880 Lateralis

Can't wait to hear what you think is good radio.

/fortunately there is no WKOS... yet.

887 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:05:29pm

re: #886 brookly red

Been and gone my friend.

888 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:05:44pm

re: #883 Lidane

You have to admit, though, all four of them usually ARE douchebags to Butters. It was high time he got some sort of revenge for it, even if his crush Kim Kardashian had to die in the process.

Hm. You do have a point there. Butters gets no love. I still crack up when I think of the episode where his parents send him off to pray the gay away.

889 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:06:08pm

And just to continue the thought...

Of course he is. That is part of the shhh Dems don't make noise about being attacked or called racial epithets theme... people may put two and two together, with a dose of hey brown and gay people shut up and know your place.

He is doing that whle claiming his own Jewishness - because you know we know sufferring too - in order to diminsish the suffering of others - when if anyone should be sensitive to such things it is us.

In that light he is no longer a putz. He has graduated to mamzer.

890 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:06:20pm

re: #880 Lateralis

Can't wait to hear what you think is good radio.

I'm doing you a favor. There's good stuff out there. You just gotta look for it. There are podcasts infintely superior to AM political talk shit, that don't have to toe the mindless partisan line to sell you gold, medical quackery and sleepnumber beds. it's like diarrhea for your ears, that stuff.

I will say, a WORSE show than Medved? Ring of Fire, with Robert Kennedy. That show might be the single most unlistenable thing on the dial.

891 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:06:30pm

re: #881 Lidane

I'd totally go and see that play, just as a show of support for the school putting it on. That's awesome.

Sadly, they've had to not only change the time of the play, but limit access to it as well:

[Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

I can't decide, personally, what's dopier--people getting up in arms about the Gay Jesus plays, or college kids who think that doing a Gay Jesus play is a really cool and edgy.

What's wrong with "Godspell" for heaven's sakes?

892 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:06:33pm

re: #885 WindUpBird

Phil Hendrie. :) Possibly the greatest radio satirist in history.

And Rick Emerson, who is a locak hot talk/pop culture host, but he's off the air now.

(sorry man, if you think I listen to liberal radio, you are MISTAKEN, it's dire garbage)

Had no idea, that is why I asked. However, I will take medved's perspective on Israel, which is what they were discussing.

893 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:06:47pm

Ok, really, going now.

894 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:06:49pm

re: #888 JasonA

Hm. You do have a point there. Butters gets no love. I still crack up when I think of the episode where his parents send him off to pray the gay away.

That was a great episode. Cartman getting his just desserts at the end too.

895 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:07:09pm

re: #888 JasonA

Hm. You do have a point there. Butters gets no love. I still crack up when I think of the episode where his parents send him off to pray the gay away.

I liked the part where they were covering up his supposed death.

896 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:07:14pm

re: #886 brookly red

/fortunately there is no WKOS... yet.

You think I listen to liberal radio? Oh GOD no. Son you are SO very mistaken. Wildly, breathtakingly mistaken.


partisan partisan robble robble

897 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:07:25pm

re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't decide, personally, what's dopier--people getting up in arms about the Gay Jesus plays, or college kids who think that doing a Gay Jesus play is a really cool and edgy.

What's wrong with "Godspell" for heaven's sakes?

Great comment all the way around. Of course the way to handle foolish college age rebellion is to let them be edgy, get a job and then realize what fools they were.

898 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:08:06pm

re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't decide, personally, what's dopier--people getting up in arms about the Gay Jesus plays, or college kids who think that doing a Gay Jesus play is a really cool and edgy.

What's wrong with "Godspell" for heaven's sakes?

Yeah I think it's silly but hey if it's what they wanna do their right.

899 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:08:11pm

re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't decide, personally, what's dopier--people getting up in arms about the Gay Jesus plays, or college kids who think that doing a Gay Jesus play is a really cool and edgy.

What's wrong with "Godspell" for heaven's sakes?

Meh. I find it about as interesting as a Harry Potter slashfic with him and Ron.

shrug

900 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:08:12pm

Ha! More dorkiness at Fox News. This time they're going after NASA.

NASA Caught Paying Sky-High Prices for Snacks

WASHINGTON -- The nation's space agency paid the out-of-this-world price of $66 a person a day for bagels, cookies and juice at a conference, a new report found.

The subject of the NASA conference? It was a training session for its procurement officials, the people who do the buying with taxpayer money.

During the three-day conference, the 317 attendees snacked on "light refreshments" of soda, coffee, fruit, bagels and cookies at a cost of $62,611, according to a NASA Inspector General report. That's $66 a day per person.

No link. All I can say is big fecking deal. 62 thousand for 3 days of catering for 317 people. I'm sure the cost included service workers and delivery. Of course NASA is now the newly minted boogie man for the anti-AGW wingnuts who think they're part of the New World Order conspiracy.

901 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:08:21pm

re: #892 Lateralis

Had no idea, that is why I asked. However, I will take medved's perspective on Israel, which is what they were discussing.

That's fine! But Medved, it's just not a good show. :/

A good conservative show from an entertainment standpoint? Michael Savage. good radio. He's nuts, but he's a good broadcaster.

902 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:08:22pm

re: #896 WindUpBird

You think I listen to liberal radio? Oh GOD no. Son you are SO very mistaken. Wildly, breathtakingly mistaken.

partisan partisan robble robble

no I am just having fun... nobody listens to liberal radio.

903 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:08:37pm

re: #874 wrenchwench

Might they uncancel it?

Maybe, not sure yet. If they do cancel it and make me sign up again I suspect I'm in for another rate hike, in which case I'm probably fucked.

I also asked them about what kind of immediate assistance might be available from the bill. They don't know yet but they're working on figuring it out.

904 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #894 HappyWarrior

That was a great episode. Cartman getting his just desserts at the end too.

I just saw the episode 3 parter with the journey to the imagination. I was spotting all kinds of characters hiding in there...I think half the Street Fighter villans wer ein the background...

905 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:29pm

re: #890 WindUpBird

I'm doing you a favor. There's good stuff out there. You just gotta look for it. There are podcasts infintely superior to AM political talk shit, that don't have to toe the mindless partisan line to sell you gold, medical quackery and sleepnumber beds. it's like diarrhea for your ears, that stuff.

I will say, a WORSE show than Medved? Ring of Fire, with Robert Kennedy. That show might be the single most unlistenable thing on the dial.

Er... I listen to that show every Sunday, what's wrong with it?

906 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:53pm

re: #890 WindUpBird

I'm doing you a favor. There's good stuff out there. You just gotta look for it. There are podcasts infintely superior to AM political talk shit, that don't have to toe the mindless partisan line to sell you gold, medical quackery and sleepnumber beds. it's like diarrhea for your ears, that stuff.

I will say, a WORSE show than Medved? Ring of Fire, with Robert Kennedy. That show might be the single most unlistenable thing on the dial.

I actually don't listen to much talk radio anymore. To damn depressing. However, I can't agree with you that Medved's show is bad.

907 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:09:56pm

re: #899 JasonA

Meh. I find it about as interesting as a Harry Potter slashfic with him and Ron.

shrug

Some of those are pretty good, although that's not a pairing that generally gets used to good artistic purpose--good artistic purpose in my book being angst, angst, angst.

908 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:24pm

re: #882 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

GO MOUNTAINEERS!

The Big Turk finally scored a basket..He is huge..He will never be a good player in the NBA..Jeez..His feet are so slow..A big man that isn't fast enough to defend the weak side or cover his man is useless in the Big leagues..
Yup..You are big man.. Watch a forward run right past him..
Did you see that? Take a picture next time!
/Good luck Veggie! Hope you win tonight

909 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:30pm

re: #905 Walter L. Newton

I used to listen to ring of fire too :-)

910 Uninformed Opinion  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:34pm
911 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #872 Lateralis

I especially loved "biblical preconditions for the end times". What a bunch of leftright wing theocratic bullshit machination.

Fixed that for you:

The day after Christmas, Tim LaHaye's "Left Behind Prophecy Club" sent out its daily e-mail message with a 2005 "Year in Review" summary The teaser stated: "Are we living in the End Times? Could events of today signify that the Rapture and Tribulation could occur during our generation? Five important Signs from 2005 say yes!"

-Devastating natural disasters foreshadow the coming of Christ.
-The Jewish population converges in Israel to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem.
-A union between Europe and Iraq could set the stage for the emergence of the Antichrist.
-Islamic extremists lash out with London bombings and France riots.
-Putin consolidates power in Russia, as the empire rebuilds.

In the text that follows, we learn that "events in Russia are exactly what we should expect to see if we are nearing the end times....the rule of the Antichrist may not be too far behind...[the] Bible prophesies that the city of Babylon will be rebuilt as headquarters for the antichrist. Babylon lies on the Euphrates River, just 50 miles south of Baghdad."

We also are told that "...continued tensions may make Israel ripe for a covenant with the Antichrist," and that the "ancient Sanhedrin, the official legal tribunal in Israel...issued an official call to rebuild the temple [of Solomon in Jerusalem], an act that God's Word predicts must occur before the return of the Messiah."

This is the modern american christian dominionist right, deal with it.

912 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:44pm

re: #902 brookly red

no I am just having fun... nobody listens to liberal radio.

Overall it's not the medium of liberals. The internet is a better medium for liberals, AM radio is a better medium for conservatives.

913 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:50pm

re: #903 Killgore Trout

Can you go to your checking account on line & look at or print a copy of the canceled check? You should be able to see when the check or payment cleared. Which might strengthen your case for re-instatement with no rate hike.

914 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:10:55pm

re: #909 wozzablog

I used to listen to ring of fire too :-)

I'm not crazy about Mike Papantonio.

915 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:11:12pm

re: #912 WindUpBird

Overall it's not the medium of liberals. The internet is a better medium for liberals, AM radio is a better medium for conservatives.

I like Thom Hartmann too!

916 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:11:17pm

re: #906 Lateralis

I actually don't listen to much talk radio anymore. To damn depressing. However, I can't agree with you that Medved's show is bad.

at LEAST tell me you don't take his movie reviews seriously!

917 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:11:48pm

re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't decide, personally, what's dopier--people getting up in arms about the Gay Jesus plays, or college kids who think that doing a Gay Jesus play is a really cool and edgy.

Do the kids in a college theater department really choose the plays they're going to do, or is it the faculty? Either way, I don't care if it's cool or edgy. Is it any good or is it badly written? That's the real question, IMO.

What's wrong with "Godspell" for heaven's sakes?

The songs get stuck in your head for days. I did Godspell with my church youth group in high school. I walked around singing "Day By Day" for *ages* even after the play wrapped.

I'd rather do the gay Jesus play any day than go through that again. Heh.

918 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:11:48pm

re: #909 wozzablog

I used to listen to ring of fire too :-)

ARGH i can't do it XD When he goes off on vaccinations I want to kick my dashboard in!

919 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:12:06pm

re: #900 Gus 802

Ha! More dorkiness at Fox News. This time they're going after NASA.

NASA Caught Paying Sky-High Prices for Snacks

No link. All I can say is big fecking deal. 62 thousand for 3 days of catering for 317 people. I'm sure the cost included service workers and delivery. Of course NASA is now the newly minted boogie man for the anti-AGW wingnuts who think they're part of the New World Order conspiracy.

depends on how long the conferences were and what was offered...313 is not that many people imo...20k a day for 300 people might be stiff...that's a lot of money for off the shelf snacks...but then maybe everything was imported and custom made...48hr rule

920 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:13:11pm

re: #902 brookly red

nobody listens to liberal radio.

Not even liberals. That's why Air America dried up, died, and went bankrupt.

921 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:13:15pm

re: #915 Walter L. Newton

I like Thom Hartmann too!

Thom Hartmann is okay, but his tone doesn't grab me. It's not that his show is bad, it just does nothing for me. The guy's smart, though!

I DID like Rachel Maddow's show. That and Stephanie Miller (who is basically doing hot talk with politics thrown in, her voice guy rules)

922 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:13:19pm

re: #911 goddamnedfrank

re: #911 goddamnedfrank

That was odd, I only pressed "post this comment" once, and since the text disappears on posting I didn't think double posting was possible.

923 jaunte  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:13:37pm

re: #767 darthstar

Birth is a preexisting condition

The kid's 10 days old.

"While baby Houston is fighting for recovery, his parents found themselves in another battle: Fighting the insurance company, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas."

Time to kick in the cost of a lunch, and brown bag it one day next week.

A "Houston Samuel Tracy" fund is set up at Bank of America to help the family cover medical costs.
924 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:13:57pm

re: #921 WindUpBird

Thom Hartmann is okay, but his tone doesn't grab me. It's not that his show is bad, it just does nothing for me. The guy's smart, though!

I DID like Rachel Maddow's show. That and Stephanie Miller (who is basically doing hot talk with politics thrown in, her voice guy rules)

You don't like Hartmann for the same reasons I do... I can assure you that.

925 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:14:10pm

re: #920 Lidane

Not even liberals. That's why Air America dried up, died, and went bankrupt.

Well, the thing is, the liberal hosts that have legs are still on the air, like Randi Rhodes (which I really can't listen to for any length of time) but Air America was badly run, and tried to push non-broadcasters into broadcast gigs. Al Franken is a TERRIBLE broadcaster.

926 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:14:11pm

re: #914 Walter L. Newton

His voice grated on me a bit - he wasn't truely awful though.

927 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #920 Lidane

Not even liberals. That's why Air America dried up, died, and went bankrupt.

Yeah, it was pretty bad. What you say is less important that how you say it, and that crap was boring.

928 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:14:45pm

re: #916 WindUpBird

at LEAST tell me you don't take his movie reviews seriously!

They are so-so. Usually go to Rotten Tomatoes.

929 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:15:26pm

re: #908 HoosierHoops

Oh, I really don't care.

930 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #925 WindUpBird

His show got better as it went on - it was an absolute car wreck when he started - but he grew into it.

Still not great shakes in any manner - but not abysmal at the end of his run.

931 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:15:54pm

re: #924 Walter L. Newton

You don't like Hartmann for the same reasons I do... I can assure you that.

haha yes :D I'm from the Don and Mike/Opie and Anthony side of things. Smart guys who are loud and nutty and satirize radio itself.

Lionel is also really good, because he has all these amazing stories.

932 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:16:18pm

re: #912 WindUpBird

Overall it's not the medium of liberals. The internet is a better medium for liberals, AM radio is a better medium for conservatives.

Better?
AM radio, after the fairness doctrine thankfully died, but before there was much of an internet, was blogosphere 1.0 . The media needed balance, and market forces were crying out for something. The left had Dan Rather at 5:30; we had Rush at lunch.

Now, is radio a right wing thing because of something intrinsic, or just because the Right got there first and NPR sucks some of the air out of the room for the Left?

933 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:16:40pm

Ohh and a big shout out to Rix.... bitch slap this you mamzer.

934 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #920 Lidane

Not even liberals. That's why Air America dried up, died, and went bankrupt.

well left or right a media outlet needs sponsors...

935 celticdragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:17:23pm

O/T

You guys have to seriously see this bit of foulness over at Protein Wisdom. I am actually speechless after seeing this cartoon by Darleen Click

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

Charles, you might want to check this out yourself.

936 jaunte  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:17:24pm

Transposition of the Great Arteries treatment
[Link: www.cincinnatichildrens.org...]

937 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:17:30pm

later days all.

earache kicking my ass. grrr.

938 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:17:34pm

re: #932 keloyd


Now, is radio a right wing thing because of something intrinsic, or just because the Right got there first and NPR sucks some of the air out of the room for the Left?

Nah, we hippies would rather have music coming out of our radios, that's all.

939 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:18:09pm

re: #913 Floral Giraffe

Can you go to your checking account on line & look at or print a copy of the canceled check? You should be able to see when the check or payment cleared. Which might strengthen your case for re-instatement with no rate hike.

Yeah, I'm sending them a copy of the bank statement showing the payment.

940 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:18:13pm

re: #922 goddamnedfrank

Reloading the thread fix it, damn I should have taken a screen grab.

941 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:18:44pm

Air America was boring. Besides, the whole concept was lame, "Hey guys let's one up the Conservatives." Besides no one listens to the radio as much anymore anyhow. With MP3 players and all I hardly ever listen to the radio anymore. Doesn't help that my favorite baseball team stopped getting a signal where I live either.

942 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:06pm

re: #919 albusteve

depends on how long the conferences were and what was offered...313 is not that many people imo...20k a day for 300 people might be stiff...that's a lot of money for off the shelf snacks...but then maybe everything was imported and custom made...48hr rule

Yeah. The complaint actually came to light from within the agency. Never mind then.

943 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:15pm

re: #939 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'm sending them a copy of the bank statement showing the payment.

they will probably try to bill you to reload the policy

944 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:25pm

re: #932 keloyd

Better?
AM radio, after the fairness doctrine thankfully died, but before there was much of an internet, was blogosphere 1.0 . The media needed balance, and market forces were crying out for something. The left had Dan Rather at 5:30; we had Rush at lunch.

Now, is radio a right wing thing because of something intrinsic, or just because the Right got there first and NPR sucks some of the air out of the room for the Left?

I think it's intrinsic, mied with the influence of Rush Limbaugh. Who I can't stand, but who MUST be given credit for inventing the modern talk genre. As a broadcaster, he's amazingly talented. As a political mover and shaker, kinda frightening!

The median age of AM conservative listeners skews older, so they have that momentum. Before Rush Limbaugh, AM was nowhere. it was farm reports and Tradeo. Younger people listen, but it's hit critical mass, and AM stations can be small and widely distributed. So you have a zillion small stations that all carry Rush, and with what there is of liberal talk, they're in larger markets, but far fewer stations, because they're all city stations.

945 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:37pm

re: #935 celticdragon

O/T

You guys have to seriously see this bit of foulness over at Protein Wisdom. I am actually speechless after seeing this cartoon by Darleen Click

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

Charles, you might want to check this out yourself.

A woman drew that...?

946 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:37pm

re: #935 celticdragon

O/T

You guys have to seriously see this bit of foulness over at Protein Wisdom. I am actually speechless after seeing this cartoon by Darleen Click

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

Charles, you might want to check this out yourself.

Isn't that lovely.
/

947 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:42pm

re: #860 JasonA

You know, listening to those screeds again made me think of last night's South Park episode.

Oh dear God.
Last night episode was...it was brilliant in so many ways.

948 ~Fianna  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't decide, personally, what's dopier--people getting up in arms about the Gay Jesus plays, or college kids who think that doing a Gay Jesus play is a really cool and edgy.

What's wrong with "Godspell" for heaven's sakes?

I'm tired of people who want to be cool and edgy.

Hipster ironic racism is really starting to freak me the fuck out.

949 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:20:38pm

re: #939 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'm sending them a copy of the bank statement showing the payment.

Paying bills on-line has some advantages.

950 celticdragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:20:51pm

re: #945 JasonA

A woman drew that...?

Sadly, yes.

951 Lateralis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:21:15pm

re: #947 webevintage

Oh dear God.
Last night episode was...it was brilliant in so many ways.

How was the Tiger episode?

952 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:21:25pm

re: #945 JasonA

A woman drew that...?

She made it a cartoon, and not a Photoshop, and the woman is green. "Deal with it, people."

953 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:21:32pm

re: #934 brookly red

well left or right a media outlet needs sponsors...

Like I said up stream, Air America is dead, because it was poorly ran and had bad broadcasters. But liberal hosts are on the dial, making lots of money. Randi does well, Hartmann does well, SOMEHOW Michael Malloy does well...

And some of them do so well (Rachel Maddow) that they wind up with their own television shows. ;-)

954 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:21:56pm

re: #951 Lateralis

How was the Tiger episode?

Funny, but not as funny as last night.

955 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:22:09pm

re: #948 ~Fianna

I'm tired of people who want to be cool and edgy.

Hipster ironic racism is really starting to freak me the fuck out.

Don;t go to 4chan, it'd probably give you a panic attack. ;-)

956 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:22:13pm

re: #953 WindUpBird

Or (gag) Ed Schulz.

957 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:22:25pm

re: #935 celticdragon

O/T

You guys have to seriously see this bit of foulness over at Protein Wisdom. I am actually speechless after seeing this cartoon by Darleen Click

Charles, you might want to check this out yourself.

I can't remember why, but I do remember coming to the conclusion (well before this) that D. Click is disgusting. This tops that, though.

958 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:22:29pm

re: #933 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey! Thought of you earlier today. Saw a quote.

I am not being snarky... I thought it was hysterical.

Science and Mother Nature are in a marriage where Science is always surprised to come home and find Mother Nature blowing the neighbor.
-Shitmydadsays.com

959 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:22:36pm

Butler has a long tradition as a really solid basketball school. Not sure why except for the old "location, location, location" thing. I've seen them trash many a big ten school over the years. Go Bulldogs!

960 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:22:38pm

re: #917 Lidane

The songs get stuck in your head for days. I did Godspell with my church youth group in high school. I walked around singing "Day By Day" for *ages* even after the play wrapped.

I'd rather do the gay Jesus play any day than go through that again. Heh.

Claiming Jesus as one of one's own ethnicity is age old.

We have black Jesus... possible, but he certainly if he were from the royal line would have been able to (pass) David had red hair for crying out loud.

Blond hair and blue eyed Jesus is a favorite... Sorry but very few Jews whose ancestors did not reside in Eastern Europe have those features.

We have English Jesus, who in addition to being blond and blue eyed was somehow transplanted to Britain.

Now I really do not have a dog in this race.

Gay Jesus is a way for yet another group to make a claim. Everyone else does it after all.

I can say though that the real Jesus was most likely a bit furry, brown or black haired, though possibly red, deeply tan and had brown eyes. You know, like most Israeli men are...

But that is just me being logical and all.

961 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:23:01pm

re: #953 WindUpBird

Like I said up stream, Air America is dead, because it was poorly ran and had bad broadcasters. But liberal hosts are on the dial, making lots of money. Randi does well, Hartmann does well, SOMEHOW Michael Malloy does well...

And some of them do so well (Rachel Maddow) that they wind up with their own television shows. ;-)

Gumby had a TV show too...

962 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:23:16pm

re: #956 windsagio

Or (gag) Ed Schulz.

OH GOD

Yes, Ed Schultz is fucking raking in money like he's the sultan. he's the guy that put the lie to the idea that there can never be a liberal Rush Limbaugh. AWFUL SHOW :(

963 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:23:47pm

re: #961 brookly red

slip is showing again~

964 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:27pm

re: #933 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh and a big shout out to Rix... bitch slap this you mamzer.

I figure after 6 months of Rejection you should get over it..
I suggest Therapy at that point....
That just can't let it go...Not a day goes by without the banned living in bitterness and pure hate posting there..
It's sad really...They just can't let it go and move on...

965 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:27pm

re: #935 celticdragon

O/T

You guys have to seriously see this bit of foulness over at Protein Wisdom. I am actually speechless after seeing this cartoon by Darleen Click

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

Charles, you might want to check this out yourself.

Ohh boy that's right... Cap and Trade is raping liberty just like health care...

When will these sick bastards ever stop?

966 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:33pm

re: #961 brookly red

Gumby had a TV show too...

But Rush doesn't. :D

Michael Savage doesn't. :D

Because they can't hack it on TV. Savage flamed out, and Rush is just awful on camera. Rachel, can, and does, and has probably the single best cable news show on TV.

967 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:47pm

re: #960 LudwigVanQuixote

You mean Jesus was...Jewish!

/Gasp. Next you'll say Mary was, too.

968 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:24:48pm

re: #963 windsagio

slip is showing again~

what slip? I am who I am.

969 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:25:12pm

re: #966 WindUpBird

Oh c'mon, everyone loved Rush's NFL gig >>

970 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:25:26pm

re: #969 windsagio

he was almost as good as Dennis Miller!

971 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:25:49pm

re: #968 brookly red

even if not quite accurate, it was better than saying 'prejudices' ;)

972 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:26:14pm

re: #966 WindUpBird

But Rush doesn't. :D

Michael Savage doesn't. :D

Because they can't hack it on TV. Savage flamed out, and Rush is just awful on camera. Rachel, can, and does, and has probably the single best cable news show on TV.

well I don't do TV so I got no dog in the fight, but the ratings are what they are.

973 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:26:17pm

re: #968 brookly red

what slip? I am who I am.

It's more fun to be less partisan and learn more about the broadcasting and TV industries. It's honestly more fun, dude. Then you can have complex thoughts like Rush and Savage are good at radio, even though I disagree with their content. You can listen for technique, hear how hosts speak, how the rhythms of their shows work, how some of them work in their weird Gold ads into the very content itself...

974 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:26:54pm

re: #973 WindUpBird

As compared to "HURR SHE'S A LIBRUL HER SHOW MUST BE BAD"

975 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:27:06pm

Looks like we are going to have thundersnow storms tomorrow afternoon before we get dumped on again.

976 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:27:22pm

re: #971 windsagio

even if not quite accurate, it was better than saying 'prejudices' ;)

yes cause you know that shit won't stick... got any other buzz words you wanna try?

977 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:27:25pm

re: #973 WindUpBird

how some of them work in their weird Gold ads into the very content itself...

They get paid more for the "inline" ads.

978 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:27:32pm

re: #902 brookly red

no I am just having fun... nobody listens to liberal radio.

Yet somehow the last two election cycles happened anyway. Go figure.

979 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:28:20pm

re: #972 brookly red

well I don't do TV so I got no dog in the fight, but the ratings are what they are.

of course! Rush's ratings are so high that the party has to kiss his ring. Which is...probably not great for the party, because the GOP's goals are to be in power. Rush's goal is to make money and become more famous.

When did Rush come to prominence? When Clinton was in office. That's how he became famous, by having an enemy he was berating every day.

980 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:28:42pm

Is "Stayfrosty" still here, or already on the grill? I'm famished.

981 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:02pm

re: #978 bratwurst

Yet somehow the last two election cycles happened anyway. Go figure.

what does that have to do with radio?

982 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:08pm

re: #977 wrenchwench

They get paid more for the "inline" ads.

They're getting VERY clever with them. They're part of the show. Theyre no longer segues into gold ads, they're entire segments of the show, that lead up to a gold pitch. Like an infomercial that's disguised.

983 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:21pm

re: #978 bratwurst

Yet somehow the last two election cycles happened anyway. Go figure.

Hopeandchange! is powerful mojo

984 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:22pm

re: #979 WindUpBird

Whereas Art Bell became famous for talking to time travelers and people who got shot down over Area 51.

985 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:43pm

re: #938 JasonA

Nah, we hippies would rather have music coming out of our radios, that's all.

Amen to that. I can't listen to talk radio at all, whether liberal or conservative. Hell, I can't even listen to regular radio most of the time because I want the DJ to just STFU and play music already.

Most of the time, I crank the iPod in my car, or the commercial free music stations on satellite radio so I don't have to hear much talk.

re: #941 HappyWarrior

Air America was boring.

God yes. I tried listening to it once and got bored after ten minutes. The only person I even remotely liked was Rachel Maddow, and her show on MSNBC is available for free download on iTunes. I just podcast her to get my fix.

986 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:29:54pm

re: #984 windsagio

Whereas Art Bell became famous for talking to time travelers and people who got shot down over Area 51.

yes :D

The wave rider told me to tell you that the new Baroness record rocks.

987 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:02pm

re: #983 albusteve

wouldn't you want change after the last 8 years? :D

(ok that one was a gimme)

988 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:12pm

re: #979 WindUpBird

of course! Rush's ratings are so high that the party has to kiss his ring. Which is...probably not great for the party, because the GOP's goals are to be in power. Rush's goal is to make money and become more famous.

When did Rush come to prominence? When Clinton was in office. That's how he became famous, by having an enemy he was berating every day.

I like Bill Press.

989 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:20pm

re: #964 HoosierHoops

I figure after 6 months of Rejection you should get over it..
I suggest Therapy at that point...
That just can't let it go...Not a day goes by without the banned living in bitterness and pure hate posting there..
It's sad really...They just can't let it go and move on...

Yeah, my new rule is that every time a troll shows up here, I shall write a special love note to the banned.

I mean really who doesn't want to mock the alcoholic vomit of the Rodent - and BTW idiot rodent, Nazis were allies of the the Spanish fascists.. Remember that? Of course not you drunk idiot.

Or a love note to TFK... Hey Tax, I just heard that Kerry is personally hunting you for you writings. He is personally adding stuff to your water.

Or my undying love of Snork. Hey putz, have you passed middle school science yet or are you still stuck on the whole what is up vs. down question?

And my favorite screen berets, you know the morbidly obese ninja wannabes who write about their toughness. They do this t reassure themselves. After all, it has been decades in some cases since they have been able to see over their guts enough to see their members. That's ok guys, write about how tough an HUAH ranger/marine/ninja/gun nut you are. It makes you scary. Really it does... And it does compensate for your no longer visible manhoods.

990 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:30pm

Watching CSPAN.
re: #984 windsagio

Whereas Art Bell became famous for talking to time travelers and people who got shot down over Area 51.

Is he still on?

991 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:39pm

re: #938 JasonA

Nah, we hippies would rather have music coming out of our radios, that's all.

Music radio is worse!

Except for the HD-2 channel of 94.7. All local Portland and Seattle unsigned artists. it's so much better than anything else on the dial.

992 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:54pm

re: #982 WindUpBird

They're getting VERY clever with them. They're part of the show. Theyre no longer segues into gold ads, they're entire segments of the show, that lead up to a gold pitch. Like an infomercial that's disguised.

what's the pitch?...are the adverisers selling?

993 celticdragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:30:57pm

re: #965 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh boy that's right... Cap and Trade is raping liberty just like health care...

When will these sick bastards ever stop?

"Never" would be my guess.

BBL. Dinner time.

994 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:31:01pm

re: #988 Walter L. Newton

I like Bill Press.

I've never heard his show, actually!

995 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:31:14pm

re: #916 WindUpBird

at LEAST tell me you don't take his movie reviews seriously!

I remember a long time ago hearing him go on an indignant (not frothing, mind you) tangent about "Beavis and Butthead", which he made a point to call "Beavis and Friend". He was lamenting that it was a horrible force contributing to what he called "the coarsening of our national culture."

This country, while certainly nothing like Russia for example, has had a "coarse" national culture since the first European set foot on the shore. We've been through slavery, a Civil War, formed our very own terrorist groups, played a decisive role in the bloodiest war in human history - during which we invented the nuclear bomb and used it twice, and and endless list of other things.

But from the way Medved told it, our culture is that of a bunch of delicate snowflakes, all dressed in our Little Lord Fauntleroy outfits, in danger of being "coarsened" by a cartoon show about wiener jokes. Gut up, Nancy. Jeezus.

996 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:31:17pm

re: #990 webevintage

his show is on, he quit a while ago. Its gotten crazy again tho', which is great.

"Lets take a call on the Time Traveller line!"

997 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:31:42pm

re: #983 albusteve

Hopeandchange! is powerful mojo

well at the end of the month people still have to balance a checkbook... the pixi dust is blowing away.

998 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:32:12pm

re: #991 WindUpBird

Music radio is worse!

Except for the HD-2 channel of 94.7. All local Portland and Seattle unsigned artists. it's so much better than anything else on the dial.

I disagree with you. I think that means one of us must leave the party according to current Tea Party doctrine...

999 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:32:13pm

re: #947 webevintage

Oh dear God.
Last night episode was...it was brilliant in so many ways.

I am just over the whole cartoon vomit thing already. That impeded by enjoyment of what was otherwise a funny plot.

1000 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:32:14pm

re: #984 windsagio

Whereas Art Bell became famous for talking to time travelers and people who got shot down over Area 51.

who?

1001 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:32:29pm

re: #989 LudwigVanQuixote

And my favorite screen berets, you know the morbidly obese ninja wannabes who write about their toughness. They do this t reassure themselves. After all, it has been decades in some cases since they have been able to see over their guts enough to see their members. That's ok guys, write about how tough an HUAH ranger/marine/ninja/gun nut you are. It makes you scary. Really it does... And it does compensate for your no longer visible or viable manhoods.

FTFY.

1002 ~Fianna  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:32:46pm

re: #955 WindUpBird

Don;t go to 4chan, it'd probably give you a panic attack. ;-)

I'll swing by there every so often.

I was seriously twigged by Amanda Palmer's klan comment on Twitter yesterday, though.

Not. Funny.
Not. Ironic.
(This is what she tweeted.

Twit.

1003 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:32:59pm
1004 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:35pm

re: #1003 windsagio

Best... radio... EVER. Was 'Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell'

1005 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:40pm

re: #997 brookly red

well at the end of the month people still have to balance a checkbook... the pixi dust is blowing away.

I'd venture to say that the pixie dust mostly existed in the minds of people who couldn't believe folks would vote for Barack Obama unless they thought they'd get a unicorn out of it. But that might be unkind.

1006 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:49pm

re: #987 windsagio

wouldn't you want change after the last 8 years? :D

(ok that one was a gimme)

And hope, well it's for the hopeless.

1007 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:54pm

re: #967 EmmmieG

You mean Jesus was...Jewish!

/Gasp. Next you'll say Mary was, too.

Yeah, but God "perfected" Mary so she could give birth to Jesus and have him invent Christians, duh. Sid Meier obviously doesn't doesn't cover this advance explicitly in the Civilization games, but still Ann Coulter just wants the Jews to be "perfected" like she is. She just wants to put you on the "fast track program," because she believes in the Old Testament, but her belief is like "Federal Express."

1008 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:33:58pm

re: #935 celticdragon

O/T

You guys have to seriously see this bit of foulness over at Protein Wisdom. I am actually speechless after seeing this cartoon by Darleen Click

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

Charles, you might want to check this out yourself.

No surprise to find that Robert Stacy McCain is a fan of hers:

White Supremacist Blogger Posts Obscene AttackWhite_Supremacist_Blogger_Posts_Obscene_Attack
Blogosphere %P% Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:31:38 pm PDT

Here’s a comment posted yesterday by white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain at loony wingnut blog Protein Wisdom, in a thread started by one of McCain’s supporters: Kathleen Parker’s top picks for GOP women [Darleen Click]:

Comment by Robert Stacy McCain on 10/15 @ 10:48 pm #

Let me put it this way, Barrett: If I ever went over to HuffPo or TrueSlant and started trolling the comments, people would question my sanity. It bespeaks a smallness and a frightening level of fanaticism. Stop sucking Charles Johnson’s c-ck and start thinking about your own reputation and career, as what you do under your own name, Barrett Brown, is not the same as your anonymous
c-cksucking at LGF.

Thanks for my PW friends for letting me know about this.

Why is Robert Stacy McCain lashing out at Barrett Brown like this? Because I linked to Brown’s article a few days ago.

For more on Robert Stacy McCain and his thoroughly documented ties to white supremacists and neo-Nazis, here’s the LGF tag link.

1009 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:00pm

re: #992 albusteve

what's the pitch?...are the adverisers selling?

Here's how it works.

Political talk host does a segment about investing that doesn't sound like an ad at all. Just an investing segment, talking about the markets. Interviewing a "broker".

Over the next 20 minutes (punctuated by normal commercials, as well) the conversaion reveals that the markets aren't really safe, stock market is this, commodities are that, real estate is down, etc. So what's next? Well, the only real solution is gold! and then right at the end, the "broker" who was presented as a real broker, is revealed to be a guy who will help you invest in gold, etc etc. And then it's all clear if you're sorta into the radio biz, that the entire last 20 minutes was one long disguised pitch for selling Gold investments.

1010 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:01pm

re: #994 WindUpBird

I've never heard his show, actually!

You don't know him, or never heard him? I listen to bits and pieces of most of the liberal talkers on a weekly basis. I like to know what the other side is saying, thinking, how they see things.

1011 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:02pm

re: #939 Killgore Trout

It sounds to me like they're doing the same BS as the mortgage & credit card companies were doing to generate fees.
Here's a google link to what the congressional inquiries found the credit card companies were doing. You might try threatening the Health Care people with filing a complaint with your State Attorney, IF the payment was on time. Heck, even if they re-instate you, I'd still file the complaint. It's BS what they're trying to do.

1012 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:14pm

re: #981 brookly red

what does that have to do with radio?

Ratings don't mean much, in spite of how Rush and FNC trumpet them.

1013 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:18pm

re: #999 bratwurst

I am just over the whole cartoon vomit thing already. That impeded by enjoyment of what was otherwise a funny plot.

Oh yeah.
I forgot to mention that.
I should have said it was brilliant EXCEPT for the vomit thing.
That was just annoying and.....

1014 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:32pm

re: #1002 ~Fianna

I hate 4ch. Its like what SA turned into.

Overrated, self-indulgent, stupidly ironic crap.

1015 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:34:36pm

re: #1001 Cato the Elder

FTFY.

You know that's right.. they are very concerned about who gets viagra over there. You make a good point.

1016 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:35:43pm

re: #998 JasonA

I disagree with you. I think that means one of us must leave the party according to current Tea Party doctrine...

Well, you may have a good statioN! Portland is losing its good stations. :( KUFO, our rock station, just goes wall-to-wall schlump rock aggro garbage. "Think Godsmack but dumber" and then the same stuff that's been in rotation for a decade or more. Blugh.

All the music I like, less than 3% of it will ever be played on commercial radio.

1017 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:17pm
1018 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:27pm

re: #955 WindUpBird

Don;t go to 4chan, it'd probably give you a panic attack. ;-)

If you stay off /b/, 4chan isn't really all that much more terrible than the rest of the internets.

1019 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:41pm

re: #1010 Walter L. Newton

You don't know him, or never heard him? I listen to bits and pieces of most of the liberal talkers on a weekly basis. I like to know what the other side is saying, thinking, how they see things.

I remember him from Crossfire and talking head shows. Seemed nice enough on the shows. But I haven't herad is show, I was aware he had one, but I don't know if it's carried in PDX.

1020 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:43pm

re: #1016 WindUpBird

Well, you may have a good statioN! Portland is losing its good stations. :( KUFO, our rock station, just goes wall-to-wall schlump rock aggro garbage. "Think Godsmack but dumber" and then the same stuff that's been in rotation for a decade or more. Blugh.

All the music I like, less than 3% of it will ever be played on commercial radio.

The kids ask me all the time what kind of music I like. What the hell kind of question is that?

1021 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:36:47pm

re: #1016 WindUpBird

The alternative station is still pretty good.

1022 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:09pm

re: #1010 Walter L. Newton

And the great influx of 2009 has helped, eh?

1023 ~Fianna  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:14pm

re: #1014 windsagio

I hate 4ch. Its like what SA turned into.

Overrated, self-indulgent, stupidly ironic crap.

I work in networking. There is occasionally some relevant news on the security end of my job.

But, yes, overall, I definitely agree. It's a bunch of little boys daring each other to be grosser than the last kid.

1024 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:18pm

re: #1005 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd venture to say that the pixie dust mostly existed in the minds of people who couldn't believe folks would vote for Barack Obama unless they thought they'd get a unicorn out of it. But that might be unkind.

well it could be... but none of this matters. people vote their pocket books always have & always will.

1025 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:25pm

re: #1009 WindUpBird

Here's how it works.

Political talk host does a segment about investing that doesn't sound like an ad at all. Just an investing segment, talking about the markets. Interviewing a "broker".

Over the next 20 minutes (punctuated by normal commercials, as well) the conversaion reveals that the markets aren't really safe, stock market is this, commodities are that, real estate is down, etc. So what's next? Well, the only real solution is gold! and then right at the end, the "broker" who was presented as a real broker, is revealed to be a guy who will help you invest in gold, etc etc. And then it's all clear if you're sorta into the radio biz, that the entire last 20 minutes was one long disguised pitch for selling Gold investments.

got it...I meant to post what are they selling...coins, ingots, certs, that sort of thing

1026 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:27pm

re: #990 webevintage

Watching CSPAN.


Is he still on?

re: #995 negativ

I mostly agree. OTOH, I got on a silent movie kick several months ago. Before 1932(?) we had no censorship board, and you had to be old enough to read if you wanted to see a silent movie. They had much more juicy content up to the late 20's. It was remarkable what off color things were just fine and what other things they were unusually prudish about. Overall coarsness - about the same, the 'symptoms' vary over time. Very good example - Sign of The Cross - with lesbians taking milk baths, alligators vs. midgets vs. giants in the colluseum, and a very brief appearance of a (girl's) nipple.

1027 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:45pm

re: #989 LudwigVanQuixote

I think you're rewarding them, to post about them. Just my opinion...

1028 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:37:49pm

re: #1023 ~Fianna


But, yes, overall, I definitely agree. It's a bunch of little boys daring each other to be grosser than the last kid.

Well said :)

1029 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:38:55pm

re: #1009 WindUpBird

Here's how it works.

Political talk host does a segment about investing that doesn't sound like an ad at all. Just an investing segment, talking about the markets. Interviewing a "broker".

Over the next 20 minutes (punctuated by normal commercials, as well) the conversaion reveals that the markets aren't really safe, stock market is this, commodities are that, real estate is down, etc. So what's next? Well, the only real solution is gold! and then right at the end, the "broker" who was presented as a real broker, is revealed to be a guy who will help you invest in gold, etc etc. And then it's all clear if you're sorta into the radio biz, that the entire last 20 minutes was one long disguised pitch for selling Gold investments.

You know Tom Hartman promotes Goldline on his radio show.

1030 brookly red  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:20pm

re: #1012 bratwurst

Ratings don't mean much, in spite of how Rush and FNC trumpet them.

well they mean something to the sponsors...

1031 keloyd  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:23pm

OOps - webvintage - Art Bell retired, a few times. He's retired for real now except for occasional gigs as a guest/substitute host. The conspiratorial talk about why he's REALLY leaving and who's shutting him up was fun stuff.

1032 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:27pm

re: #1011 Floral Giraffe

It sounds to me like they're doing the same BS as the mortgage & credit card companies were doing to generate fees.
Here's a google link to what the congressional inquiries found the credit card companies were doing. You might try threatening the Health Care people with filing a complaint with your State Attorney, IF the payment was on time. Heck, even if they re-instate you, I'd still file the complaint. It's BS what they're trying to do.

my thought exactly...flag someone for a late payment or two then drop the ax...then collect some sort of fee

1033 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:33pm

re: #1020 SanFranciscoZionist

The kids ask me all the time what kind of music I like. What the hell kind of question is that?


If a kid in your class asked me that, I'd likely have to figure out a way of saying "Stoner metal" that didn't involve the word stoner. :D "Uh, groovy fuzzed out doom-rock inspired by 70's bands and Sabbath. And ambient electronica. And crappy hair metal. And Cyndi Lauper."

1034 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:37pm

re: #1022 Stanley Sea

And the great influx of 2009 has helped, eh?

Well, "stayfrosty" is of the 2009 class....

(:

1035 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:37pm

re: #1022 Stanley Sea

And the great influx of 2009 has helped, eh?

I don't understand what you mean?

1036 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:39:47pm

re: #1011 Floral Giraffe

[Link: www.google.com...]

Oops. Forgot the linky!

1037 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:40:13pm

re: #1029 Walter L. Newton

You know Tom Hartman promotes Goldline on his radio show.

YES :(

They all do. Randi does it. They all do it.

I can't remember what host did the infomercial, it was a conservative host, but not a big one. it was one of the C listers like Jerry Doyle or something.

1038 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:40:45pm

re: #1035 Walter L. Newton

Us lib freaks who showed up on LGF. Opened you're mind a bit?

1039 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:41:20pm

Time to go home to eat.

1040 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:41:29pm

re: #1025 albusteve

got it...I meant to post what are they selling...coins, ingots, certs, that sort of thing

I think they're just selling the services of a gold broker that deals in all of it. The infomercial was getting people to use the service, it wasn't getting that specific.

1041 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:41:30pm

James Wolcott at Vanity Fair on the Darleen Click cartoon:

Lady Liberty Defiled by Poorly Drawn Cartoon
by James Wolcott
March 23, 2010, 11:33 AM

In a desperate, ghoulish plea for attention (now that even right wing sites are no longer linking to it), Protein Wisdom has published an editorial cartoon portraying President Obama as a gloating, unrepentant rapist with Lady Liberty his weeping victim, her torch lying broken at the foot of the bed. Rapist Obama tells Lady Liberty to stop whining, get herself cleaned up, and promises he'll be back later with "friends," i.e., a gang-rape.

For those slower cowpokes among Protein Wisdom's armchair outlaws, the cartoon is helpfully titled "Rape of Liberty," to ensure they won't miss the message over the sound of their own chewing.

The perpetrator of this tawdry little exercise, a flagrant offender named Darleen Click, doesn't care if you think this cartoon is racist because conservatives get called racist no matter what we do and we're sick of it and besides "I made it a cartoon and not a photoshop and the “woman” is green. Deal, people."

I find the logic of that statement somewhat elusive, though I suppose we should be grateful that it's a symbolic green statue being shown forcibly violated in that Psycho room and not, oh, the Virgin Mary, virgin no more. With Easter coming up, perhaps Protein Wisdom will favor us with Lady Liberty hanging from the cross as Obama drives in the last nail--I wouldn't put anything past those "desperadoes."

Well, whatever one's feelings about the semiotics of this cartoon and the political sentiments I think we can all put aside our political and philosophical differences and agree that it makes for one crappy piece of artwork.

1042 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:41:36pm

re: #1038 Stanley Sea

gonna call it so a rightie can't: "YOUR" :p

1043 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:42:04pm

re: #1037 WindUpBird

YES :(

They all do. Randi does it. They all do it.

I can't remember what host did the infomercial, it was a conservative host, but not a big one. it was one of the C listers like Jerry Doyle or something.

I like to hold it and look at it...Krugerrands are gorgeous, and my sister collects 18/24 jewelry etc....mmmm, nice!

1044 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:43:03pm

re: #1027 Floral Giraffe

I think you're rewarding them, to post about them. Just my opinion...

of course, it's exactly what they want, but ego trumps restraint

1045 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:43:15pm

re: #1016 WindUpBird

Well, you may have a good statioN! Portland is losing its good stations. :( KUFO, our rock station, just goes wall-to-wall schlump rock aggro garbage. "Think Godsmack but dumber" and then the same stuff that's been in rotation for a decade or more. Blugh.

All the music I like, less than 3% of it will ever be played on commercial radio.

Give this Atlanta station an hour or two of your time, via the streaming thingy.

1046 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:43:18pm

re: #1042 windsagio

Why thank you. Dont no why I do thats stuff so often.

1047 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:43:35pm

re: #1043 albusteve

I like to hold it and look at it...Krugerrands are gorgeous, and my sister collects 18/24 jewelry etc...mmm, nice!

I've always wanted to hold a Krugerrand since seeing Lethal Weapon 2, though I'm the wrong guy to ask about investing in anything except my (tiny) business :D

1048 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:43:55pm

re: #1046 Stanley Sea

haha, just don't want anyone to deflect by saying "LOOK LOOK HE HAD A TYPO!!"

1049 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:44:05pm

re: #1038 Stanley Sea

Us lib freaks who showed up on LGF. Opened you're mind a bit?

No. I stay very aware of most sides of an issue, always have, and I make my decisions by each issue, not by party or a certain philosophy. I vote issues, not candidate.

1050 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:44:13pm

re: #1045 The Sanity Inspector

This does look promising, cool!

1051 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:44:23pm

re: #1047 WindUpBird

Dude, you should have asked me back when my parents still had all that gold and silver!

1052 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:44:49pm

"Waterhouse, a regular contributor to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, picks a topic and weaves in celebrity interviews, fun and funky stories and related music.

Past guests include Gene Simmons, Police drummer Stewart Copeland, Atlanta Superhero Danger Woman and a whole world of Pop Culture icons."

COOOOOL

This sounds like our Portland show, the Rick Emerson show. But he got cancelled. :(

1053 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:44:56pm

Later folks.

1054 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:04pm

re: #1051 windsagio

Dude, you should have asked me back when my parents still had all that gold and silver!

hahahaha I did hold that bar of silver, remember?

1055 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:18pm

re: #1009 WindUpBird

Here's how it works.

Political talk host does a segment about investing that doesn't sound like an ad at all. Just an investing segment, talking about the markets. Interviewing a "broker".

Over the next 20 minutes (punctuated by normal commercials, as well) the conversaion reveals that the markets aren't really safe, stock market is this, commodities are that, real estate is down, etc. So what's next? Well, the only real solution is gold! and then right at the end, the "broker" who was presented as a real broker, is revealed to be a guy who will help you invest in gold, etc etc. And then it's all clear if you're sorta into the radio biz, that the entire last 20 minutes was one long disguised pitch for selling Gold investments.

Rush is on record as saying that he'll charge an advertiser extra, for weaving a plug into a monologue.

1056 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:26pm

gotta go work!

1057 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:28pm

re: #1048 windsagio

Nah, I'm usually condemned for the broad brush. but you never know.

1058 Altermite  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:42pm

re: #1026 keloyd

re: #995 negativ
with lesbians taking milk baths

I saw a movie like that once.

1059 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:45:45pm

re: #1055 The Sanity Inspector

Rush is on record as saying that he'll charge an advertiser extra, for weaving a plug into a monologue.

Oh yeah! Because it's more effective :D

1060 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:46:18pm

re: #1036 Floral Giraffe

[Link: www.google.com...]

Oops. Forgot the linky!

It might just be a clerical error or bank screw up. We'll see what happens.

1061 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:46:19pm

re: #1040 WindUpBird

I think they're just selling the services of a gold broker that deals in all of it. The infomercial was getting people to use the service, it wasn't getting that specific.

paper gold...that's what I thought...what happens when Joe the Goldman goes belly up, after spending your money in St Croix?

1062 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:46:45pm

re: #1038 Stanley Sea

Us lib freaks who showed up on LGF. Opened you're mind a bit?

I trust that's been a two-way street so far...?

1063 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:47:00pm

re: #788 LudwigVanQuixote

BTW Cato, the village of the Banned had an outpouring of the best, finest Texas grade black crude, diarrhea last night.

The Rodent was especially drunk and miserable. I wonder if he has gotten over his hangover.

Defenseman (Yooper) has a new post up on his blog - which I visited for the first time today - denouncing me, Ice, and Jimmah for everything that is wrong with LGF.

Since I doubt he will have the balls to let it pass moderation, here is my return comment, for the record:

I have never posted a word about your blog, Defenseman. This is the first time I've looked at it. We had a few direct interactions on LGF, but I don't remember them being anything but friendly, or at worst ordinarily snarky. Oh, there was the one time recently I saw you lurking and invited you to come out and play, but you took a powder instead.

I have posted directly to and about Saint Rose and her House of Wounded Feelings. I called her on her lies and shit-stirring long before it was fashionable, and got roundly dinged for it.

I saw through her act well in advance of her final meltdown, and could have predicted the outcome, but was too polite for my own good.

She whinges about the bullies at LGF, but she was the one who was frenetically emailing Charles to get other people banned because she didn't like them. Because in her mind Charles owed her a favor or two for her unasked-for self-martyrdom in the cause of truth, justice and "looka me, I'm the brave girl who pokes insane stalkers with a stick and then cries when they snarl at her" shtick.

I have had no beef with you up until today.

Happy hunting!

1064 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:47:20pm

re: #1030 brookly red

well they mean something to the sponsors...

No debate there. Zicam, Carbonite and Survival Seeds might have to resort to sandwich boards or windshield fliers if the dreaded "fairness doctrine" is resurrected!

1065 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:47:21pm

re: #1027 Floral Giraffe

I think you're rewarding them, to post about them. Just my opinion...

Not if you read how they flip out. Not if you see the whining mewling cries of weak betas. Honestly, if they want to stalk us, and if I do live in their heads, I rather enjoy the idea of decorating the room in their small minds.

Honestly watching them prance and whine about their hurt manhoods amuses me.

1066 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:48:18pm

re: #1047 WindUpBird

I've always wanted to hold a Krugerrand since seeing Lethal Weapon 2, though I'm the wrong guy to ask about investing in anything except my (tiny) business :D

it's been a long time for me...they are brand new, shiny, and very heavy...I had a few I kept handy through the years but had to let them go...but I still have a sizable stash somewhere...I hope

1067 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:49:09pm

re: #1063 Cato the Elder

Indeed. There is something wrong and cruel about kicking lesser creatures. It is against my own moral code to do so - but not because they don't have it coming - more because I rather enjoy it.

1068 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:49:29pm

re: #1062 The Sanity Inspector

I trust that's been a two-way street so far...?

Oh absolutely. I'm quite proud of my middle of the road view these days, thanks to all you conservatives. Really.

Excluding the blatant ODS, of course.

1069 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:49:33pm

re: #1066 albusteve

To my great regret, my parents inherited a very large amount of gold and silver when my Grandfather lost it.

Naturally, instead of holding onto it they sold it at the worst possible time, instead of holding onto it :(

1070 windsagio  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:50:17pm

re: #1069 windsagio

I should say, don't regret them getting it, but rather them selling it immediately, instead of saving it >

1071 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:51:28pm

re: #1067 LudwigVanQuixote

Indeed. There is something wrong and cruel about kicking lesser creatures. It is against my own moral code to do so - but not because they don't have it coming - more because I rather enjoy it.

Well, where I draw the line is poking insensate clods with sharp sticks when they're too intellectually challenged to know that's what you're doing.

Neither Rose nor Yooper is insensate. Just totally, utterly lacking in self-awareness and insight into their own motives.

That is all.

1072 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:52:08pm

re: #1004 windsagio

Best... radio... EVER. Was 'Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell'

I cannot agree more strongly.

* All content aside, Art Bell had the best radio voice I have ever heard. Not just his voice, but his delivery too.
* It came on late at night, had weird topics, weird sponsors, and the weirdest guests possible. This made it a GREAT thing to listen to while falling asleep.
* He would occasionally do segments where he would tell the audience that he was CERTAIN that someone listening was actually a time traveler / alien / Illuminatus / etc, and that person should call in and convince him. Every once in a while, we'd luck out and an extremely creative person would call in.

I was deeply disappointed to learn that Art actually did believe lots of the kooky things he aired on his show. I always thought he was just a very talented broadcaster who liked telling spooky stories in the dark, and had found a niche.

But man, to this day I would love to get my hands on some Art Bell archives. That would be some excellent iPod fodder.

1073 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:53:54pm

re: #1072 negativ

I cannot agree more strongly.

* All content aside, Art Bell had the best radio voice I have ever heard. Not just his voice, but his delivery too.
* It came on late at night, had weird topics, weird sponsors, and the weirdest guests possible. This made it a GREAT thing to listen to while falling asleep.
* He would occasionally do segments where he would tell the audience that he was CERTAIN that someone listening was actually a time traveler / alien / Illuminatus / etc, and that person should call in and convince him. Every once in a while, we'd luck out and an extremely creative person would call in.

I was deeply disappointed to learn that Art actually did believe lots of the kooky things he aired on his show. I always thought he was just a very talented broadcaster who liked telling spooky stories in the dark, and had found a niche.

But man, to this day I would love to get my hands on some Art Bell archives. That would be some excellent iPod fodder.

He was no better than a preacher telling lies.

1074 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:54:11pm

re: #1069 windsagio

To my great regret, my parents inherited a very large amount of gold and silver when my Grandfather lost it.

Naturally, instead of holding onto it they sold it at the worst possible time, instead of holding onto it :(

my ex wife has almost 100lbs of silver coins...in boxes, bags...we used to look at the age and quality and wonder what it was worth, hold up handfuls of collector quality dollars...no matter, it's for the kids...

1075 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:55:00pm

re: #1074 albusteve

my ex wife has almost 100lbs of silver coins...in boxes, bags...we used to look at the age and quality and wonder what it was worth, hold up handfuls of collector quality dollars...no matter, it's for the kids...

Steve... email me if you want some info on your silver holdings. It's one of my expertise.

1076 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:55:18pm

re: #1060 Killgore Trout

Good luck! I hope it gets resolved in your favor.

1077 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:56:33pm

re: #1065 LudwigVanQuixote

If it pleases you, HAVE AT IT! And, enjoy!

1078 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 5:58:18pm

re: #1069 windsagio

To my great regret, my parents inherited a very large amount of gold and silver when my Grandfather lost it.

Naturally, instead of holding onto it they sold it at the worst possible time, instead of holding onto it :(

The best time to invest in precious metals is always five years ago.

1079 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:01:31pm

re: #1060 Killgore Trout

It might just be a clerical error or bank screw up. We'll see what happens.

If it's not cleared up tout de suite, write a letter of complaint, certified delivery, with supporting enclosures, directly to the CEO of the company. GodzillaBank tried twice to sock me with the same erroneous overdraft fees one time, and that's how I got their attention.

1080 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:02:58pm

House passed the reconciliation bill. Whooo~!

1081 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:03:32pm

Tea Party convention organizer sued over Palin's "Rock Star" pay:[Link: nymag.com...]

1082 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:03:39pm

re: #1072 negativ

I cannot agree more strongly.

* All content aside, Art Bell had the best radio voice I have ever heard. Not just his voice, but his delivery too.

The most aggravating voice on the radio belongs to Mark Levin.

1083 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:05:14pm

re: #1073 Walter L. Newton

He was no better than a preacher telling lies.

Ultimately, you may be right. I think an argument could be made that a preacher who actually, actively preys on his audience (Benny Hinn comes immediately to mind) is orders of magnitude worse, though.

FWIW, I'm also a fan of the broadcasts of Robert Tilton and Gene Scott. I think they were both quite unsavory, but nonetheless I found them entertaining. They were vultures, too, but to me Hinn is still the worst by far.

1084 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:05:48pm

re: #1082 The Sanity Inspector

I would say Michael Savage, but his voice is not as high as ML's. So, you win.

1085 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:07:25pm

re: #1071 Cato the Elder

And by the way, it was you, Defenseman (Yooper) who put up a stalker-stalking blog in brave, manly defense of Irish Rose - and then courageously let Hoops take the heat from the nasty, drunken stalkers instead of owning up. Of the pair of you - Rose and yourself - who is the one with the balls?

I'll give you one guess.

1086 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 6:15:13pm

re: #1082 The Sanity Inspector

The most aggravating voice on the radio belongs to Mark Levin.

Michael Savage made reference to another talk show host that sounded like "Groucho Marx's grandma"....... I suspect it was Levin.

1087 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 7:34:27pm

re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #736 WindUpBird

Vitriol:

Van Hollen told MSNBC on Wednesday that Republican leaders were "pouring more and more gasoline on the flames." Kaine, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said Republican leaders are "trying to stoke anger" with lies.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., in an interview with MSNBC Wednesday night, said people are getting "signals" from lawmakers on how to behave and that lawmakers need to "disown" the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable.

"If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really," Clyburn said.

And Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., told Fox News on Thursday that he thought House Republican Leader John Boehner should step aside for not being more vocal in denouncing the threats.

"He has a responsibility to step up and put an end to this," Hare said. "I think this is despicable."

1088 The Yankee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:49:15pm

Does any one know if this is true...

Protesters have been demonstrating at Driehaus’ Ohio home, said Tim Mulvey, a spokesman for the anti-abortion Democrat who joined Stupak in voting for the health bill. A rock was thrown through the window of Driehaus’ Cincinnati office Sunday, and a death threat was phoned in to his Washington office a day later, Mulvey said.

Found it at RedState.com

1089 Meridian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:22:15pm

So are we keeping score now... right kooks vs left kooks? No news here, I bet your average HOA or City counsel official receives more serious threats then these folks.

1090 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:39:32am

re: #603 cenotaphium

Ideally laws are created with reason in mind. We don't allow people under a certain age to drink. This, because we know from science that drinking while the brain is still forming is very bad & we know from experience that just informing kids about this isn't successful. Hell, even making it illegal isn't very successful, but opens up a way to prosecute anyone trying to sell booze to kids in a large way.
Going from drugs (which most people think should be regulated) to tanning beds (which most people might think inconsequential) is of course an easier way to sell the "personal liberty" idea. And everyone would agree that there's a limit to the micromanaging that can be done in the name of what's "best for society".
I can't say what's best in this instance. The dermatological damage will certainly be visible "earlier", the younger someone starts to use tanning beds (a short term gain for long term damage problem).

However, just saying that "everyone is responsible for themselves, and it would be wrong to interfere" is a very simplistic world view. I can understand how it would be easy & comforting to employ it, but I think it's selling humanity short.

(if I have sold your philosophy short in that statement, please expound)

Dead thread but I still wanted to point out that I read this and we'll have to take this us again sometime. You would think "everyone is responsible for themselves and it's wrong to interfere" would be a simplistic argument but since people don't seem to be able to get it into their heads what their neighbors do in their own homes is none of their business, it can't be all that simple.

1091 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:38:38am

re: #1088 The Yankee

Yep.
[Link: news.cincinnati.com...]

Steve is my Rep.

1092 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:44:05am

re: #1091 Jeff In Ohio

BTW, if you want to read some real Stupid, check out the comments.

1093 gamark  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:24:54am

re: #1091 Jeff In Ohio

I've seen reports that Driehaus’ office is on the 30th floor of a downtown office building and that his office denies the rock report.

1094 Mournie  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:27:58am

re: #7 recusancy

and if it was Pelosi's office you can be sure she'd be out there with the same thing. No office should be targeted period.... regardless of how it happened.

1095 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:48:19am

re: #1094 Mournie

and if it was Pelosi's office you can be sure she'd be out there with the same thing. No office should be targeted period... regardless of how it happened.

No office was targeted, PERIOD.

Apparently we have a few people posting comments in here who actually think it's possible to predict where a bullet fired into the air is going to land.

1096 joest73  Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:23:16pm

re: #1072 negativ

I cannot agree more strongly.

* All content aside, Art Bell had the best radio voice I have ever heard. Not just his voice, but his delivery too.
* It came on late at night, had weird topics, weird sponsors, and the weirdest guests possible. This made it a GREAT thing to listen to while falling asleep.
* He would occasionally do segments where he would tell the audience that he was CERTAIN that someone listening was actually a time traveler / alien / Illuminatus / etc, and that person should call in and convince him. Every once in a while, we'd luck out and an extremely creative person would call in.

I was deeply disappointed to learn that Art actually did believe lots of the kooky things he aired on his show. I always thought he was just a very talented broadcaster who liked telling spooky stories in the dark, and had found a niche.

But man, to this day I would love to get my hands on some Art Bell archives. That would be some excellent iPod fodder.

You can find tons of Art Bell archives all over the internet. Torrents....etc
I don't think he believed most of the goofy stuff that he talked about on his show. Some times you could tell he was fooling around with guests or callers that were taking things a little too far.

Bell was/is big into Amateur radio. I did pick him up on Shortwave talking to other HAM operators.

1097 billbrent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:01:34pm
1098 SlothB77  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:45:12am

1097 comments and no one has mentioned Norman Leboon? He only made 2,000 threatening YouTube videos. He was targeting Cantor.

1099 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:50:25am

re: #1098 SlothB77

This thread has been dead for a couple days. Check the times of the last 3 or 4 posts.

1100 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:51:42am

re: #1098 SlothB77

1097 comments and no one has mentioned Norman Leboon? He only made 2,000 threatening YouTube videos. He was targeting Cantor.

Two things. Do you have a calender? This thread was out and dead before the news about this guy really came out. It was discussed a lot in threads that came after this one, like when the news actually came out. Also did you check the comment above yours? That's called irony.


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