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1 Bagua  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:08:56am

Elmo gets it

2 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:11:36am

Good morning all..Watching F1 qualifying in Australia...

3 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:14:34am

Umm... personal space?
George W. Bush Wipes Hand On Bill Clinton's Shirt After Shaking Hands With Haitians (VIDEO)

And no, I'm not Bush-bashing. That shit's just rude.
Oh, and give me credit for not making a "Ew, I just touched black people" joke.

4 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:16:54am

re: #3 JasonA

Umm... personal space?
George W. Bush Wipes Hand On Bill Clinton's Shirt After Shaking Hands With Haitians (VIDEO)

And no, I'm not Bush-bashing. That shit's just rude.
Oh, and give me credit for not making a "Ew, I just touched black people" joke.

I saw that yesterday. I think we should give it a pass. It's hard to tell what's happening here. A few months ago they were passing around a photo of Obama that looked to be bowing which was a still from a video. The video showed that he wasn't bowing. Of course that didn't stop the nuttery.

5 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:20:23am
6 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:20:46am

re: #4 Gus 802

I saw that yesterday. I think we should give it a pass. It's hard to tell what's happening here. A few months ago they were passing around a photo of Obama that looked to be bowing which was a still from a video. The video showed that he wasn't bowing. Of course that didn't stop the nuttery.

Yeah. I'm having a hard time getting upset over this one. He could have been trying to tug Bill along or whatever. Or considering what Bush did to Aristide, the dude could have had a loogie in his hand.

7 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:21:08am

re: #4 Gus 802

Oh all right. Though even the commenters at Breibart think he was wiping. Not saying it makes him worst President ever. I just want to have Purell handy if I ever run into the guy :)

8 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:22:37am

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

Or considering what Bush did to Aristide, the dude could have had a loogie in his hand.

I... I don't think wiping it off on Clinton is an acceptable response in that situation :)

9 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:23:01am

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

Yeah. I'm having a hard time getting upset over this one. He could have been trying to tug Bill along or whatever. Or considering what Bush did to Aristide, the dude could have had a loogie in his hand.

It's just good to see Bush and Clinton together and for a good cause.

10 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:23:57am

re: #9 Gus 802

It's just good to see Bush and Clinton together and for a good cause.

This is true.

Wonder how many digits Bill picked up...

11 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:24:56am

re: #8 JasonA

I... I don't think wiping it off on Clinton is an acceptable response in that situation :)

As opposed to Clinton who would wipe it off on an intern

(I'm going to hell)

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:24:59am

re: #8 JasonA

I... I don't think wiping it off on Clinton is an acceptable response in that situation :)

LOL!

13 sngnsgt  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:25:28am

re: #10 JasonA

This is true.

Wonder how many digits Bill picked up...

Rule of thumb, never use Bill Clinton and "pick up" in the same sentence. ;-)

14 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:28:31am

re: #10 JasonA

This is true.

Wonder how many digits Bill picked up...

I got four digits for your mama
/OK.. It's a hip hop term...I'm messing with you guys..Qualifying for F1 is over..
It's 3:30am.. Getting sleepy

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:28:40am

Creationist Science: select the fact that confirm what was written in the Bible and ignore anything and everything else put forth by the scientific "elite".

Then get the Texas Board of Education to put it in the curriculum

Teach the controversy.

16 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:28:59am

re: #10 JasonA

This is true.

Wonder how many digits Bill picked up...

Probably in the millions. Would be easy check.

Sad though. This hand thing picked up a lot of interest.

17 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:30:38am

re: #16 Gus 802

Probably in the millions. Would be easy check.

Sad though. This hand thing picked up a lot of interest.

*shrug* I'm just in it for the jokes.

18 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:32:47am

Cast Lead, Part Two?

Also good afternoon.

19 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:33:20am

re: #17 JasonA

*shrug* I'm just in it for the jokes.

OK I'm probably just being maudlin.

20 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:41:52am

Hi and bye from myself and iceweasel (not long back from the pub). I leave you with this fascinating tale from Britain's colonial past. Listen closely or you'll miss the main points:

21 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:42:18am

What in the holy hell are the two judges on the 9th Circuit Court thinking here?

Court: Seattle police OK to stun pregnant woman

SEATTLE (AP) - Three Seattle police officers were justified when they used a stun gun on a pregnant mother who refused to sign a traffic ticket, a federal appeals court ruled Friday in a case that prompted an incredulous dissent.

Malaika Brooks was driving her son to Seattle's African American Academy in 2004 when she was stopped for doing 32 mph in a school zone. She insisted it was the car in front of her that was speeding, and refused to sign the ticket because she thought she'd be admitting guilt.

Rather than give her the ticket and let her go on her way, the officers decided to arrest her. One reached in, turned off her car and dropped the keys on the floor. Brooks stiffened her arms against the steering wheel and told the officers she was pregnant, but refused to get out, even after they threatened to stun her.

The officers - Sgt. Steven Daman, Officer Juan Ornelas and Officer Donald Jones - then stunned her three times, in the thigh, shoulder and neck, and hauled her out of the car, laying her face-down in the street.

Brooks gave birth to a healthy baby two months later, but has permanent scars from the Taser.

Never mind the fact that not signing a traffic ticket is not an arrestable offense in Seattle (as stated by the dissenting judge), but tasering a seven-months pregnant woman THREE TIMES?

22 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:43:45am

re: #20 Jimmah

Hi and bye from myself and iceweasel (not long back from the pub). I leave you with this fascinating tale from Britain's colonial past. Listen closely or you'll miss the main points:


[Video]

Kind regards...
How did Ice do during the Taxi ride home?
*wink*

23 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:44:58am
24 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:44:59am

re: #22 HoosierHoops

Kind regards...
How did Ice do during the Taxi ride home?
*wink*

Well behaved as ever ;-) Night Hoops!

25 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:45:19am

re: #21 RadicalModerate

What in the holy hell are the two judges on the 9th Circuit Court thinking here?

Court: Seattle police OK to stun pregnant woman

Never mind the fact that not signing a traffic ticket is not an arrestable offense in Seattle (as stated by the dissenting judge), but tasering a seven-months pregnant woman THREE TIMES?

You'll no argument from me. It doesn't seem as if we have good guidelines for the use of tasers. I'd much rather get hit by that than a bullet, but for something actually important, you know?

26 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:45:24am

re: #24 Jimmah

Well behaved as ever ;-) Night Hoops!

Night Bro...be well

27 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:45:29am

re: #21 RadicalModerate

Cops want any excuse to lay the beatdown these days.

28 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:45:39am

re: #21 RadicalModerate

Here's a link to the decision from the 9th Circuit Court if you want to read a lot of legalese, btw.

Opinion for: MALAIKA BROOKS V. CITY OF SEATTLE, 08-35526

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:45:49am

re: #21 RadicalModerate

What in the holy hell are the two judges on the 9th Circuit Court thinking here?

Court: Seattle police OK to stun pregnant woman

Never mind the fact that not signing a traffic ticket is not an arrestable offense in Seattle (as stated by the dissenting judge), but tasering a seven-months pregnant woman THREE TIMES?

Ah, yes, the hyperliberal Ninth Circus Court...

30 freetoken  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:47:24am

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Note that is was only three members. If the full 9th circuit hears the case, then the original ruling may be upheld.

31 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:48:33am

re: #28 RadicalModerate

Here's a link to the decision from the 9th Circuit Court if you want to read a lot of legalese, btw.

Opinion for: MALAIKA BROOKS V. CITY OF SEATTLE, 08-35526

I will add this though: don't argue at a friggin traffic stop. It's stupid and pointless. I'm not blaming the victim, but the time to stick up for your rights is in the courthouse. Just my thoughts.

32 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:52:54am

re: #31 JasonA

I will add this though: don't argue at a friggin traffic stop. It's stupid and pointless. I'm not blaming the victim, but the time to stick up for your rights is in the courthouse. Just my thoughts.

Dovetailing on this. It's pretty simple to me. If she was white she wouldn't have been tazed. If she was white the court would have ruled in her favor.

33 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:54:47am

re: #32 Gus 802

Gazing through some of the archived stories on the original suit - the original arrest was back in 2005 - there's a significant amount of speculation that may well have been a "Driving While Black" arrest. I'm not going to go that route, especially given the fact that cops have been known to taser 90-year-old ladies at the drop of a hat.

34 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:55:44am

Brb, gotta run to the store to get some stuff.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:57:30am

re: #30 freetoken

Note that is was only three members. If the full 9th circuit hears the case, then the original ruling may be upheld.

Just being snide. The Ninth Circuit is going through a law-and-order phase that belies their batty reputation.

36 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:58:58am

re: #32 Gus 802

Dovetailing on this. It's pretty simple to me. If she was white she wouldn't have been tazed. If she was white the court would have ruled in her favor.

Yikes. I wouldn't want to be the one to start that line of thought. My hat's off to you!

My best advice is to nod politely and say "Yes officer." Not because I want to see as bowing down to the state but because they usually have better toys. It's not a fight you're going to win and even if you do it'll probably be pyrrhic at best.

And with that I'm off to bed, leaving you all with Hung Over As The Queen In Maida Vale part 2.

37 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:59:59am

re: #33 RadicalModerate

Gazing through some of the archived stories on the original suit - the original arrest was back in 2005 - there's a significant amount of speculation that may well have been a "Driving While Black" arrest. I'm not going to go that route, especially given the fact that cops have been known to taser 90-year-old ladies at the drop of a hat.

OK Yeah. Must be rough for a cop to control a 90 year old woman that goes out of control. One would think a trained policeman could avoid that. I suppose that's different then using old fashioned muscle power. I think the office on the scene needing to use a tazer against a woman over 60, unless she's a muscle builder, to have weak upper body strength and shouldn't even be on the force to begin with.

38 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:01am

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security

Benjamin Franklin

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:06:34am

OK, when the job description starts like this, I don't answer it: The ideal candidate will have experience restraining children, will be knowledgable in de-escalation techniques, and will be able to teach new anger management skills during challenging situations.

40 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:39am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, when the job description starts like this, I don't answer it: The ideal candidate will have experience restraining children, will be knowledgable in de-escalation techniques, and will be able to teach new anger management skills during challenging situations.

To be able to "teach new anger management skills during challenging situations." That's interesting.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:11:47am

re: #40 Gus 802

To be able to "teach new anger management skills during challenging situations." That's interesting.

The first people who called me back when I was first hunting for a teaching job about five years ago, were looking for classroom assistants to work with emotionally disturbed kids. "You'll need to be able to assist with take-downs," the woman explained perkily.

I said, in my best middle-aged Jewish lady voice, "Oh, dear, I don't think I'm exactly your candidate."

If I wanted to be assisting with take-downs, I would have applied to the police academy. And they would have given me a taser and a baton.

42 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:21:09am

Goodnight, lacertae nocturnae!

Gooey morning, Mandy.

Here's a little opera in three acts, courtesy of the Evil Trio.

Iceweasel (who by some accounts is vewy vewy eeevul):

Jimmah (showing forbearance):

Cato (who laughs at everything as long as he can have his grrrl):

And I leave you all with an image of Life Without Mozart.

43 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:21:11am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

The first people who called me back when I was first hunting for a teaching job about five years ago, were looking for classroom assistants to work with emotionally disturbed kids. "You'll need to be able to assist with take-downs," the woman explained perkily.

I said, in my best middle-aged Jewish lady voice, "Oh, dear, I don't think I'm exactly your candidate."

If I wanted to be assisting with take-downs, I would have applied to the police academy. And they would have given me a taser and a baton.

Sounds creepy. There's an old movie that I saw a couple of months ago that was dealing with violence in mental health clinics. The head nurse was played by Joan Crawford. They actually developed techniques in the late 1950s to avoid that.

I see the taser as useful in certain situations but it seems to be the easy way out for those that are both physically weak and mentally weak. It's the modern day cattle prong that was used by South and Central American police departments for decades.

Domestically they used to use a hardwood baton. Sometimes they'd use a rubber hose. Overall though it's part of a penal colony mentality. The result of these techniques is that in the end they hire people with lower mental capacities to perform guard duty. In effect they hire animals to do the dirty work.

44 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:36:20am

Didn't see this one in earlier threads, but yet another Congressman has gotten an assassination threat directly related to the healthcare debate.
The latest threat is to Vic Snyder (D-AR), who is retiring at the end of this term, which means the nutbar responsible for this doesn't merely want him out of political office.

Dem Rep. Snyder Threatened With Assassination

Snyder read from a copy of the original saying: "It is apparent that it will take a few assassinations to stop Obamacare. Militia central has selected you for assassination. If we cannot stalk and find you in Washington, D.C., we will get you in Little Rock."

By the way, his name is one of them on the SarahPAC list, with a nice red crosshairs over the state.

45 steve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:40:03am

confirm hypothesis + contrary hypothesis = a discovery that can be measured

46 freetoken  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:58:15am
47 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:59:32am

re: #44 RadicalModerate

Didn't see this one in earlier threads, but yet another Congressman has gotten an assassination threat directly related to the healthcare debate.
The latest threat is to Vic Snyder (D-AR), who is retiring at the end of this term, which means the nutbar responsible for this doesn't merely want him out of political office.

Dem Rep. Snyder Threatened With Assassination

By the way, his name is one of them on the SarahPAC list, with a nice red crosshairs over the state.

This is getting more and more reminiscent of the hit lists the anti-choice groups maintained in the 90s.

At this point I'm afraid someone is going to get shot. Over a healthcare bill.

I sure hope Twain or whoever was right about that special providence that looks after children, the insane and the United States of America.

Night all.

48 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:09:21am

I bet we're not going to hear about this one from Brietbart.

Clay County, KY Election Officials Found Guilty of Election Fraud, Vote Buying

We recently detailed the testimony of one of the witnesses in the case who described how she was trained by the county's chief election official, Clerk Freddy Thompson (one of those convicted today), to change votes cast by voters on the county's ES&S touch-screen voting systems after they'd left the voting booth. The witness, Wanda White also detailed how she was instructed to change her own voter registration from Republican to Democratic so that she could serve as a Democratic precinct official.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:54am

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, yes, the hyperliberal Ninth Circus Court...

I heard they're all liberal witches who want to make it legal to eat babies!

50 freetoken  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:21:37am

re: #49 WindUpBird

No, no, no.... it's Moloch who eats the babies, it's just that the 9th circiut approved of the method.

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:24:57am

re: #50 freetoken

No, no, no... it's Moloch who eats the babies, it's just that the 9th circiut approved of the method.

I want to know who would sue the dread Moloch!

52 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:49:14am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

The first people who called me back when I was first hunting for a teaching job about five years ago, were looking for classroom assistants to work with emotionally disturbed kids. "You'll need to be able to assist with take-downs," the woman explained perkily.

I said, in my best middle-aged Jewish lady voice, "Oh, dear, I don't think I'm exactly your candidate."

If I wanted to be assisting with take-downs, I would have applied to the police academy. And they would have given me a taser and a baton.

You'd make a great cop. :3

53 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:50:29am

re: #3 JasonA

Umm... personal space?
George W. Bush Wipes Hand On Bill Clinton's Shirt After Shaking Hands With Haitians (VIDEO)

And no, I'm not Bush-bashing. That shit's just rude.
Oh, and give me credit for not making a "Ew, I just touched black people" joke.

Well, he must feel pretty guilty.

The earthquake was his fault, right?

54 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:39am

re: #8 JasonA

I... I don't think wiping it off on Clinton is an acceptable response in that situation :)

Well, who would you have wiped it on?

55 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:54am

re: #53 ryannon

Well, Haiti's population is mainly black.

/i'ma let you finish, but...

56 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:56:18am

Also, it's Earth Hour Day today.

I'm pro-environment but the whole nature of the holiday is causing me to want to just switch on all the lights. =_=

57 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:56:59am

re: #33 RadicalModerate

Gazing through some of the archived stories on the original suit - the original arrest was back in 2005 - there's a significant amount of speculation that may well have been a "Driving While Black" arrest. I'm not going to go that route, especially given the fact that cops have been known to taser 90-year-old ladies at the drop of a hat.

"But I wouldn't be so amazed,

EVERYBODY must get tased"

58 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:09:57am

re: #51 WindUpBird

I want to know who would sue the dread Moloch!

Allen Ginsberg did, so to speak, and won.

What sphinx of cement and aluminium bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?

Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!

Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!

Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgement! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!

Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!

Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovas! Moloch whose factories dream and choke in the fog! Moloch whose smokestacks and antennae crown the cities!

Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!

Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch!

Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light streaming out of the sky!

Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisable suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral nations! invincible madhouses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!

They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!

59 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:14:25am

Looks like it's that time again....

60 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:17:26am

Morning Lizards. Looks like the 9th Circuit blew it again. But it also appears that the two Judges for the majority were Reagan Appointees and ex-military.

O`Scannlain, Diarmuid Fionntain

Hall, Cynthia Holcomb

While the dissenting Judge

Berzon, Marsha Siegel

was appointed by (drum roll please). Clinton.

I hope this gets a full hearing before the full 9th circuit and is over turned.

Because as the dissenting Judge stated.

"She argued that under Washington law, the officers had no authority to take Brooks into custody: Failure to sign a traffic infraction is not an arrestable offense, and it's not illegal to resist an unlawful arrest."

Let me just add, that from my point of view, if you don't object and raise a stink when the cops are out of line, but instead meekly submit, you only empower them and further erode your Constitutional Rights.

Don't Talk To The Cops Pt 1

Don't Talk To The Cops Pt 2

Learn how to Flex Your Rights

61 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:17:34am

re: #59 ryannon

Nighty.

62 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:18:36am

re: #60 Bubblehead II

Fixed link to Part 1.

63 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:21:30am

re: #61 laZardo

Nighty.

Sweet dreams, laZardo

64 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:22:42am

re: #62 laZardo

Thanks. Should have tested the links before I posted.

65 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:29:00am

re: #64 Bubblehead II

NP.

Though I am wondering how people that have actually committed a crime might use those videos to get the police off their backs.

/checking.

66 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:48:30am

re: #65 laZardo

You are innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law and it's the responsibility of the State to prove such guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ( In the United States). It is not and has never been since the conception of this Nation, the responsibility of an Individual to prove their innocence.

Besides, those who engage in regular criminal activity already know this and use it to their advantage.

The average Joe/Jane has been taught from early childhood to cooperate with law enforcement. What they don't realize, until it bites them in the ass, is that, that cooperation can be used against you.

Too many people think/feel that failing to cooperate with law enforcement is a sign of guilt. It is the old canard of "Well if you don't have anything to hide, just answer the questions, let them search,ect."

This is bullshit. The Founders of this Nation recognized this and made sure that the right of a Citizen to refuse to submit to an warrantless search or to answer questions against their will was guarantied. As well as several other specifically enumerated rights as well

67 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:50:07am

Morning all.

68 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:52:41am

re: #67 RogueOne

Morning. Ready for some simple debate on Constitutional Rights in regards to the latest 9th Circuit ruling?

Look up thread around # 35 or so.

69 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:52:57am

re: #60 Bubblehead II

One of the people involved in the Flex Your Rights video said on another board that the video is selling very well but if you don't want to buy it they will be posting it free fairly shortly.

Never, under any circumstances, speak to the police.

70 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:53:00am

Gort Morning LGF

71 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:54:24am

re: #68 Bubblehead II

My favorite subject and I missed it.//

72 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:54:47am

re: #69 RogueOne

No shit. Especially if they come knocking on your door at (about) 2030 hrs.

73 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:57:37am

re: #69 RogueOne

Got a link.

74 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:58:43am

re: #70 Spare O'Lake

Gort Morning LGF

Klaatu barada nikto, SO'L

75 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:00:10am

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, yes, the hyperliberal Ninth Circus Court...

They're also very pro-state. They're exactly at the point where the left and the right meet on the big circle of judicial life.

76 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:01:47am

re: #32 Gus 802

Dovetailing on this. It's pretty simple to me. If she was white she wouldn't have been tazed. If she was white the court would have ruled in her favor.

I'll give you partial credit on this one. I think you're right about her not being tased if she were white, probably, but I don't think the court took her race into consideration. They do what they do because they're part of the system. If the state/police say they need to be able to tase people at random they're probably going to go along with it.

77 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:04:34am

One final link before I catch my 40 winks.

Dunno how many Doctor Who lizards there are out there, but after seeing the new set of preview clips, I'm officially geeked over the new season, that starts next Saturday. The Matt Smith/Steven Moffat era looks like it will be awesome.

New Doctor Who Series Trailer & Clips From Jonathan Ross Show

78 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:08:23am

re: #73 Bubblehead II

Got a link.

The agitator posted a link to a WaPo write-up on the video:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Scott Morgan showed up in the comments thread:
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

79 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:11:40am

re: #76 RogueOne

"They do what they do because they're part of the system. If the state/police say they need to be able to tase people at random they're probably going to go along with it."

So you are ok with allowing the cops to randomly taze/arrest people?

And allowing the Courts to sanction it?

Please clarify if I am misinterpreting your post.

80 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:16:56am

re: #66 Bubblehead II

So those who engage in regular criminal activity already know these tips to get cops off their own backs and use it to their advantage?

81 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:17:05am

re: #79 Bubblehead II

"They do what they do because they're part of the system. If the state/police say they need to be able to tase people at random they're probably going to go along with it."

So you are ok with allowing the cops to randomly taze/arrest people?

And allowing the Courts to sanction it?

Please clarify if I am misinterpreting your post.

Not in any way am I condoning. I'm just pointing out the obvious that the more liberal/conservative courts generally side with the state. Take Scalia for instance, he'll generally vote based on his pretty narrow constructionist view of the constitution unless it bumps up against the rights of the state. When that happens, he'll almost always vote in favor of the right of the state(the feds) to do as they please. "The constitution doesn't say the feds don't have the right to tase you for non-compliance in a traffic stop so it must be ok" kinda thing.

82 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:21:44am

re: #80 laZardo

So those who engage in regular criminal activity already know these tips to get cops off their own backs and use it to their advantage?

People have a tendency to talk too much especially if they believe they haven't done anything wrong. I take any interaction with a police officer very seriously, maybe too seriously. I refuse to wear my seat belt so I get pulled over pretty often. It always goes well until the officer asks me a question I don't think he has the right to ask and generally it's a pretty basic question like "where are you headed?" or "Do you have anything in the vehicle I should know about?" then they all tend to go downhill. My best friend is a police officer and he's tried to coach me on how to not get tased but it's only a matter of time that I'm going to get it.

83 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:23:57am

re: #82 RogueOne

How do you explain why you refuse to wear a seat belt to the police?

And do they accept your reasons?

84 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:25:12am

re: #82 RogueOne

I actually do not trust cops at all, especially living in Manila for so long. I think it'd be very safe to assume that they are either looking for ways to garnish their gratuitously low salaries or are just in it for the sadistic kicks.

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:26:22am

The police were justified - suppose the wonan wasn't really pregnant but concealing an IED under her clothes...

86 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:27:34am

Obama's foreclosure relief plan seems designed to push the foreclosures down the road by about 6 months by temporarily reducing monthly payments for people who are on the verge of foreclosure.
Hmmm...6 months from now would be the end of September, which would mean the really bad foreclosure numbers would be artificially suppressed until November...
Isn't there an election in November?

87 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:27:56am

re: #85 ralphieboy

The police were justified - suppose the wonan wasn't really pregnant but concealing an IED under her clothes...

That would certainly be a first in the U.S.

88 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:28:14am

re: #83 ryannon

How do you explain why you refuse to wear a seat belt to the police?

And do they accept your reasons?

See, that's where it usually goes downhill.

cop: "Why are you not wearing your seatbelt?"
me: "None of your business"

In Indiana it's a $25 fine, no points and no reporting to your insurance agency. If it's a state trooper they usually don't say or ask anything. They'll just tell you why they pulled you over, hand you a ticket and send you on your way. It's generally city officers who want to search your vehicle and ask you questions they don't have the right to ask.

89 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:28:34am

re: #80 laZardo

Uhhh, yes. John (The Teflon Don, et al). Organized Crime has being doing it for years. Much to the angst of Law Enforcement.

90 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:29:39am

re: #84 laZardo

I actually do not trust cops at all, especially living in Manila for so long. I think it'd be very safe to assume that they are either looking for ways to garnish their gratuitously low salaries or are just in it for the sadistic kicks.

That is a seriously shitty way to have to live.

91 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:30:07am

re: #89 Bubblehead II

So if innocent people learn to do it too, how will anybody get caught?

92 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:31:21am

re: #90 Spare O'Lake

That is a seriously shitty way to have to live.

True. For all the problems we have here in the states it could be much, much worse. Getting picked up by police in a foreign/3rd world country will really scare the crap out of you.

93 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:32:39am

re: #92 RogueOne

True. For all the problems we have here in the states it could be much, much worse. Getting picked up by police in a foreign/3rd world country will really scare the crap out of you.

I didn't say it applied only to Manila, in fact.

94 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:33:31am

re: #88 RogueOne

See, that's where it usually goes downhill.

cop: "Why are you not wearing your seatbelt?"
me: "None of your business"

In Indiana it's a $25 fine, no points and no reporting to your insurance agency. If it's a state trooper they usually don't say or ask anything. They'll just tell you why they pulled you over, hand you a ticket and send you on your way. It's generally city officers who want to search your vehicle and ask you questions they don't have the right to ask.

Either you're well-known around your parts or you've really got guts.

Me (not you): "It's none of your business."

Cop: "GET OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP!"

95 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:36:35am

re: #93 laZardo

I didn't say it applied only to Manila, in fact.

My brother was picked up in Jeddah SA and taken to a local Police HQ. I also had an Army acquaintance picked up in Mexico. My brother was lucky, he was released after a few hours. When the army buddy didn't show up for a few weeks they just assumed he'd gone AWOL. He sat in a mexican facility for months before anyone found out where he was.

96 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:39:48am

re: #94 ryannon

Either you're well-known around your parts or you've really got guts.

Me (not you): "It's none of your business."

Cop: "GET OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP!"

I'm a white, former army officer with a clean record so I'm not all that concerned. I've had them get red in the face mad though, cracks me up. If there's a way to talk myself into a ticket, I'll find it. I had an Iowa trooper so pissed he wrote me a ticket for 6 infractions in one stop.

97 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:44:00am

Gonna go have dinner and try to find a reason to be hopeful about humanity (failing that, get a drink.) Bbl.

98 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:45:38am

RNC rejects joint 'civility' statement

The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement, POLITICO has learned.

Various members of the DNC — including Chairman Tim Kaine, Executive Director Jen O’Malley Dillon and Communications Director Brad Woodhouse — contacted their respective RNC counterparts this week in hopes of getting RNC Chairman Michael Steele to co-sign a document with Kaine that, in part, called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”

“We also call on all Americans to respect differences of opinion, to refrain from inappropriate forms of intimidation, to reject violence and vandalism, and to scale back rhetoric that might reasonably be misinterpreted by those prone to such behavior,” read the proposed joint statement, which came at the end of a week which saw acts of vandalism and threats of violence directed at members of Congress from both parties, but mostly aimed at Democrats who voted “yes” on the health care bill.

Republicans see the statement as an attempt to force them to either reject the statement — allowing Democrats to say the RNC finds the incidents acceptable — or to sign on to something that the DNC would later wield against them.

99 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:47:04am

re: #96 RogueOne

I'm a white, former army officer with a clean record so I'm not all that concerned. I've had them get red in the face mad though, cracks me up. If there's a way to talk myself into a ticket, I'll find it. I had an Iowa trooper so pissed he wrote me a ticket for 6 infractions in one stop.

Ok.

Now, how do you feel about people on your lawn?

/

100 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:54:46am

re: #99 ryannon

Ok.

Now, how do you feel about people on your lawn?
/

My biggest personal pet peeve is having people ask me questions. When someone asks me something I almost always respond with a "why are you asking?" or "what's it to you?". I have no idea why I'm like that, it's just the way I've always been so when a cop asks me where I'm going I immediately get defensive.

My poor wife learned long ago to just not ask too many questions.

101 Bubblehead II  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:55:10am

re: #81 RogueOne

Not in any way am I condoning. I'm just pointing out the obvious that the more liberal/conservative courts generally side with the state. Take Scalia for instance, he'll generally vote based on his pretty narrow constructionist view of the constitution unless it bumps up against the rights of the state. When that happens, he'll almost always vote in favor of the right of the state(the feds) to do as they please. "The constitution doesn't say the feds don't have the right to tase you for non-compliance in a traffic stop so it must be ok" kinda thing.

Ok, ya lost me on that one. State Rights and Federal Rights will (and should) be limited by the Constitution. It is not a living document. It is a convent (contract) with the people and should be interpreted as such.

On a side note, I think it is time for me to call it night.

4 beers + 6 shots equals not fit to further post.

// Should have quit sooner

But as I fade into the dark.

Enya

Night Lizards.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:55:41am

re: #82 RogueOne

I had a cop ask me at a sobriety check point where I was going. I had;
a. Not been drinking
b. No intentions on telling him where I was heading.

I answered with, "I am not sure that it is any of your business, sir."

a. The cop looked over at the Sarge who was there supervising
b. She looked kind of offended

103 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:56:04am

re: #101 Bubblehead II

By "State" I mean government entity not Ohio for instance.

104 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:58:50am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a cop ask me at a sobriety check point where I was going. I had;
a. Not been drinking
b. No intentions on telling him where I was heading.

I answered with, "I am not sure that it is any of your business, sir."

a. The cop looked over at the Sarge who was there supervising
b. She looked kind of offended

Yeah, they get irritable pretty quick when you refuse to answer questions. My biggest problem is I like to irritate people (have I mentioned I'm a butthole?) and given the chance I'll go out of my way to force the issue with an officer. Like I said, it's only a matter of time before one of them tases me.

105 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:59:12am

re: #98 Lidane

including Chairman Tim Kaine, Executive Director Jen O’Malley Dillon and Communications Director Brad Woodhouse — contacted their respective RNC counterparts this week in hopes of getting RNC Chairman Michael Steele to co-sign a document with Kaine that, in part, called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”

So for 8 years they get to call Bush every name in the book PLUS try to come up with articles of impeachment, but now that there is a dem in the White House they call for 'civility'

got it!

106 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:03:43am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a cop ask me at a sobriety check point where I was going. I had;
a. Not been drinking
b. No intentions on telling him where I was heading.

I answered with, "I am not sure that it is any of your business, sir."

a. The cop looked over at the Sarge who was there supervising
b. She looked kind of offended

co-worker was stopped at one of those. She WAS shit faced at the time. police report said when she was asked how much she had to drink, she answered 'not nearly enough"

((needless to say, she was arrested))(((also ,, she is an ex-co-worker)))

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:05:03am

re: #105 sattv4u2

I call for civility all the time. I like civility.

It is more civil.

"Confound this Civil War. It is almost like our country is being torn into two."
-Bob Odenkirk's "Abe Lincoln, In My Own Words"

108 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:05:34am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a cop ask me at a sobriety check point where I was going. I had;
a. Not been drinking
b. No intentions on telling him where I was heading.

I answered with, "I am not sure that it is any of your business, sir."

a. The cop looked over at the Sarge who was there supervising
b. She looked kind of offended

Me:
c. And that was the last thing I remembered before waking up handcuffed to the bed in Cook Country Hospital.

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:05:47am

re: #104 RogueOne

(I called her "sir", did you catch that?)

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:06:17am

re: #108 ryannon

Me:
c. And that was the last thing I remembered before waking up handcuffed to the bed in Cook Country Hospital.

"And that was when the tasing started..."

111 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:07:19am

I asked yesterday if Classical Values was an ok spot to link but never got a response one way or the other so I'm going to go ahead and post the link.

It's an article from a republican leaning libertarian (as far as I can tell) about the problems with republican support of Joe Arpaio. Since we're about to get into the whole immigration argument I thought it was timely:

[Link: www.classicalvalues.com...]


Probably because I don't like repeating myself, I don't say as much about police abuses as I should. Stuff like SWAT team abuses, civil rights violations committed in the name of the "drug war," and police retaliation against critics, go on all the time, as do a lot of things I don't find the time to write about. I guess it's because my goal is to be creative and entertaining, and ideally, I try to never write about things unless I have something new to say.

I also don't like to dump on other bloggers, especially bloggers I like who are philosophically in more or less the same, um, "camp" as myself.

This leaves me in a bit of a dilemma where it comes to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. I think the man is a rogue cop who epitomizes bad law enforcement, and yet he is very popular among conservatives, mainly because he's tough on illegal immigration. As I think illegal immigration is out of control, if his only excesses related to his department's dealing with illegals, I probably wouldn't bother with a post. After all, not only am I a notorious compromiser, but these people are not citizens, and regardless of what the Supreme Court has said, violations of the rights of non-citizens are not as bothersome to me as violations of the rights of citizens. I realize there's a slippery slope, but still.... People are pissed off about illegal immigration, and I can understand why they would like Joe Arpaio for his get-tough, tent-city-in-the-desert policies.

However, I find it disturbing that they seem so willing to overlook the fact that Arpaio and his department have a long track record of appalling abuses.

I would hope my friends on the right would see this asswipe for what he is, a walking, talking violation of our constitutional rights. It's been going on for ages but it seems only recently have people on the right been noticing the problems with Maricopa Co. AZ.

112 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:08:04am

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I call for civility all the time. I like civility.

It is more civil.

"Confound this Civil War. It is almost like our country is being torn into two."
-Bob Odenkirk's "Abe Lincoln, In My Own Words"

Don't get me wrong. I HATE the tone this country has taken in the last 20-25 or so years. But for the dems to now get on a high horse is laughable.
IF the repubs were to sign it, the dems would crow how they (the dems) had to force the repubs to do so
AND ,, if a repub were to say something UNcivil (totally arbitrary as to what that would be, btw) the dems would then crow about how the rebups couldn't keep their promise

LOSE/ LOSE

no thanks

113 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:08:08am

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"And that was when the tasing started..."

LOL!

Ouch!!

It only hurts when I laugh.

114 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:09:39am

shit ,,, a co-worker in Tulsa just sent me a spread sheet. I hate when I'm at work on a Saturday and I have to ,,, well ,, WORK !!

115 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:12:42am

re: #114 sattv4u2

shit ,,, a co-worker in Tulsa just sent me a spread sheet. I hate when I'm at work on a Saturday and I have to ,,, well ,, WORK !!

K ,,, this won;'t take long after all

Only about a dozen international services for next week!

116 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:17:51am

re: #115 sattv4u2

K ,,, this won;'t take long after all

Only about a dozen international services for next week!

My spouse works in advertising and political season just started. Her workload has been double the average for the last month because of the HCR bill and it's not going to slow down until November. My poor girl has been working almost 60 hours a week just to keep up.

I knew the FCC regs were a mess, I just didn't realize how screwed up the laws were until she moved into this position. Half of the extra work she has to do is just to verify compliance with the political advertising regs. Very time consuming and costly.

117 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:21:25am

re: #116 RogueOne

My spouse works in advertising and political season just started. Her workload has been double the average for the last month because of the HCR bill and it's not going to slow down until November. My poor girl has been working almost 60 hours a week just to keep up.

I knew the FCC regs were a mess, I just didn't realize how screwed up the laws were until she moved into this position. Half of the extra work she has to do is just to verify compliance with the political advertising regs. Very time consuming and costly.

60 hour weeks are "normal" here year round. we just lost a guy (fired)

We're here 24/7. We now have 4 techs.. (plus one manager and one engineer) YOU do the math

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:23:02am

OK. New day. Here is hoping that everyone who wants to be a douche bag today will break a wrist or something. Good morning.:)

119 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:23:45am

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK. New day. Here is hoping that everyone who wants to be a douche bag today will break a wrist or something. Good morning.:)

OUCH ,,

thanks !!!

120 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:24:48am

re: #117 sattv4u2

60 hour weeks are "normal" here year round. we just lost a guy (fired)

We're here 24/7. We now have 4 techs.. (plus one manager and one engineer) YOU do the math

You should jump ship to the largest, friendliest cable company known to man. They pay fairly well, have great benefits and, compared to other cable companies, a very good management structure.

121 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:28:18am

re: #120 RogueOne

You should jump ship to the largest, friendliest cable company known to man. They pay fairly well, have great benefits and, compared to other cable companies, a very good management structure.

I make much more (not even including overtime) than they pay the cable techs. And there, they are mostly baby sitters for equipment. Here we have to actually be involved in the feeds as well

122 Cathypop  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:28:31am

Morning Lizards,
It is going to be a beautiful day in Central Texas. And I have 2 teenage grandsons ready to help with chores. I used to think of them as cute cheap labor but now they eat a ton of food!

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:29:20am

re: #122 Cathypop

Morning Lizards,
It is going to be a beautiful day in Central Texas. And I have 2 teenage grandsons ready to help with chores. I used to think of them as cute cheap labor but now they eat a ton of food!

Work them into the ground!! It's easy to cook some food.:)

124 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:31:56am

Blue on Blue:

Deputies Beat Him Senseless, Black Cop Says
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]


PENSACOLA, Fla. (CN) - A black law enforcement agent says sheriff's deputies Tasered and beat him and sicced a dog on him though he identified himself as a cop and, in fact, was talking on his cell phone to the sheriff's office, explaining his situation, while the deputies beat the hell out of him.
Ira Lee McQueen was on duty undercover as an agent with the Florida Division of Alcohol, Beverage and Tobacco in Pensacola when the Escambia County Sheriff's deputies jumped him, he says in his federal complaint.
McQueen was investing a liquor store clerk's sale of alcoholic beverages to a minor, and took a gun from the clerk, according to the complaint. A customer left the store and called police.
While McQueen was on the phone with the Sheriff's Office running a check on the clerk and his gun, he noticed that the store had been surrounded by more than 15 officers. He asked the Sheriff's Office to notify the officers that he was a Special Agent with the Florida ATF.
According to the complaint, "the Escambia County Sheriff's Office employee on the telephone with the plaintiff instructed [him] to walk outside make contact with the officers."
McQueen says he "complied with the telephone directions and the officers' demands while at the same time shouting to them that he was a special agent and a law enforcement officer."
He says that though he lay on the ground as instructed, he was Tasered "multiple times" though he continued to identify himself as an officer.
Nonetheless, the deputies jumped on him, "landing on the plaintiff's back with their knees and then repeatedly slamm[ed] the plaintiff's head into the concrete sidewalk," and then sicced a police dog on him, who "inflicted wounds on the plaintiff's legs, as he lay on the ground completely restrained."

125 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:32:10am

re: #122 Cathypop

Morning Lizards,
It is going to be a beautiful day in Central Texas. And I have 2 teenage grandsons ready to help with chores. I used to think of them as cute cheap labor but now they eat a ton of food!

heh ,, I know of which you speak

my house is where the gang (my sons friends) hang out on weekends. When they were 10 and under, it was easy. PBJ sammiches ,,, chicken nuggets,,, etc

NOW ,, we call them The Locusts

When they arrive, the dogs hide !!

126 Cathypop  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:32:22am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Work them into the ground!! It's easy to cook some food.:)


I just supply the food. They like to cook. Their mom taught them well.
Gotta run. I hear teens grumbling.
Later

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:36:23am

So, everything I was suppose to do Monday didn't get done 'cause I was called into work. And I didn't get Monday's stuff done on Wednesday because I went to a baseball game. Now, it's Saturday and I can finally get Monday's work done. But I did get my lawn mowed without mowing it myself.

128 compound idaho  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:36:32am

re: #116 RogueOne

My spouse works in advertising and political season just started. Her workload has been double the average for the last month because of the HCR bill and it's not going to slow down until November. My poor girl has been working almost 60 hours a week just to keep up.

I knew the FCC regs were a mess, I just didn't realize how screwed up the laws were until she moved into this position. Half of the extra work she has to do is just to verify compliance with the political advertising regs. Very time consuming and costly.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, ....except when we feel like it or think we can manage it better.

We've come a long way baby!

129 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:37:14am

ahoy ahoy

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:44:30am

I can honestly say I have never been this drunk.
[Link: cbs3.com...]

131 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:47:28am

re: #128 compound idaho

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, ...except when we feel like it or think we can manage it better.

We've come a long way baby!

Preach brother! One of the issues is no one, political candidate or any completely unrelated commercial, is allowed to get any kind of deal regardless of time/station/availability. When the company wants a contract or they have a lot of open commercial slots they'll cut their rates just to get what cash they can. When "political season" kicks in (the start date is mandated by the FCC) they have to go through every slot sold during a time period, find the highest paying customer and everyones rates have to match that number.

I almost understand the rule that no political related commercial should get a better deal than another but why should Toyota have to pay extra just to run a "hey, sorry about that runaway car we sold you" commercial that's completely unrelated to anything involving politics.

132 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:49:57am

I don't drink enough anymore. 1/2 a big bottle of NyQuil and I'm starting to feel a little loopy.

133 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:51:40am

re: #131 RogueOne

By the way, thank you for being so patient about my questions. I was really intrigued: like many people, I've learned to 'cooperate' in situations like that - even if it means answering questions which are basically none of their business.

I admire you for the courage of your convictions.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:54:39am

re: #132 RogueOne

I don't drink enough anymore. 1/2 a big bottle of NyQuil and I'm starting to feel a little loopy.

Uh, there is a little cup that comes with the bottle. Try that next time. It's not Gatorade.:)

135 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:54:56am

I've posted multiple times about Jordan Miles, the student in PA who was beaten pretty badly by the police for nothing other than having a 2-liter bottle in his coat. Here's a true/slant link with brutal pic to catch up if you haven't heard the story:
[Link: trueslant.com...]

One of the officers involved in that beating is now being investigated for another beating last month where he knocked a guys eye out of it's socket:

[Link: www.wpxi.com...]


PITTSBURGH -- A Pittsburgh police officer under investigation by a federal grand jury in the alleged beating of a CAPA student now faces new accusations of using excessive force.

“His eyeball was knocked out of his eye socket. The doctor had to insert a plastic screw in order for the eyeball not to fall into his eye socket,” said attorney Jenee Oliver.

Oliver was referring to Jamil Gray, 34, who was arrested in Feb. 2009.

Oliver claims officer Michael Saldutte delivered a brutal beating during an arrest that started out as a traffic stop.

Channel 11 obtained medical reports from the Allegheny County Jail. Gray had a large left floor fracture, which means a large left eye fracture. He had surgery, but the injury has left permanent damage.

136 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:55:31am
IDF soldier fights for his life as tanks leave Gaza
By YAAKOV KATZ AND JPOST.COM STAFF
26/03/2010 18:22
Two IDF soldiers killed in southern Strip, two others wounded; at least 1 Palestinian killed, about a dozen wounded...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Snub. Snub. Snub.
15 secret demands.
*spit*

137 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:04:02am

re: #133 ryannon

Thanks. IMO, it's important that we can trust our system and the only way they can earn that trust is to play strictly by the rules and I don't think people should give up even the smallest portion of their rights guaranteed to them by 200+ years of men/women in uniform.

I've met a lot of good honorable police officers but it seems we've been going the wrong direction for the last 30 years. Personally I think it's a combination of voters and police unions that have allowed it to get this out of hand and until people stop giving up the rights they're owed it's not going to get any better.

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:04:49am

Heh.
[Link: www.urlesque.com...]

139 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:06:26am
Arab League chief urges closer ties with Iran
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
27/03/2010 15:43
SIRTE, Libya — The Arab League chief is urging the 22-nation bloc to engage Iran directly over concerns about its growing influence and its nuclear activities.
Amr Moussa presented his proposal to a two-day Arab League leaders summit in Sirte, Libya, that started Saturday. The proposal could undermine US and Israeli efforts to isolate Iran.
Moussa's engagement plan would involve a forum for regional cooperation and conflict resolution that would include non-Arab nations Iran and Turkey.
Turkish Prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan immediately endorsed the proposal at the summit.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Maybe Obama needs to publicly fuck over Israel a little more...
*spit*

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:08:53am

re: #139 Spare O'Lake

Maybe Obama needs to publicly fuck over Israel a little more...
*spit*

He's working on it.

141 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:12:38am

I would like to thank the people that downdinged my #991 from last night
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You proved my STEP 1 point!
:)

142 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:13:09am

re: #137 RogueOne

Thanks. IMO, it's important that we can trust our system and the only way they can earn that trust is to play strictly by the rules and I don't think people should give up even the smallest portion of their rights guaranteed to them by 200+ years of men/women in uniform.

I've met a lot of good honorable police officers but it seems we've been going the wrong direction for the last 30 years. Personally I think it's a combination of voters and police unions that have allowed it to get this out of hand and until people stop giving up the rights they're owed it's not going to get any better.

People also have the right to co-operate with police and to answer questions which they are not legally required to answer. Does the exercise of that right mean that they are giving up their right to remain silent or their protection against unreasonble searches? I don't think so.

143 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:16:04am

Just got a list handed to me.
BBL.

144 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:16:57am

re: #141 sattv4u2

I would like to thank the people that downdinged my #991 from last night
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You proved my STEP 1 point!
:)

Dingbats!

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:17:07am

re: #141 sattv4u2

I don't think I have ever down-dinged anybody.

146 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:18:51am

re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't think I have ever down-dinged anybody.

I have, but never for disagreeing with me

name calling
obvious trollism

thats about it

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:21:12am

re: #146 sattv4u2

I have, but never for disagreeing with me

name calling
obvious trollism

thats about it

Name calling is petty. The way I see it is, if you start name calling, you probably ran out of facts in a debate on a subject.

148 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:21:34am

148!!

149 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:21:35am

re: #142 Spare O'Lake

Never answer questions posed by the government/police without having an attorney give you the ok and even then it's not a good idea. There are too many ways to incriminate yourself and break laws you don't have any idea even exist, ask Libby or Martha Stewart how well cooperating went for them. Our founding fathers thought enough of the principle of non-compliance to put it in the first 5 amendments to the constitution.

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:22:18am

re: #148 cliffster

148!!

BFD! 150!!

151 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:22:19am

re: #148 cliffster

148!!

bored!?!?!

152 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:23:15am

re: #151 sattv4u2

bored!?!?!

I'm watching Thomas the Train. How could I be bored?

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:26:06am

I need to go shopping today for some vittles. I have no idea what to buy. A rack of ribs and beans is all I have on the list. And some peppers.

154 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:28:35am

Marine Gen. Conway is not backing down from his stance against over-turning DADT.
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]


WASHINGTON - The Marine Corps' commandant said he won't force his troops to bunk with gays on base and would give them separate rooms if Congress votes to allow openly gay service.

The comment, by Gen. James Conway, is the latest pushback by a small but vocal faction of senior military leaders opposed to a repeal of the 1993 law known as "don't ask, don't tell." President Barack Obama says the ban is unfair, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates has launched a lengthy study to determine how to allow gays to serve openly without hurting military effectiveness.
.......
Earlier this month, a three-star Army general called on troops and their families to "speak up" against allowing gays to serve openly.

Lt. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, who heads Army forces for U.S. Pacific Command, was publicly admonished by Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen for using his rank to advocate a political position and challenge the president.

"There's an opportunity in this process for everyone from junior to senior" to have an opportunity to comment, Mullen said.

Mullen added that military personnel disagreeing with the nation's policies should "vote with your feet."

My guess is the expiration date of both of their careers is coming up quicker than they expected.

155 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:31:06am

Lt. Dan needs to be on his way out too:

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

156 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:37:09am

For your Saturday morning viewing:

A short alice cooper film

Along Came A Spider

157 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:39:04am

So I was about to find some hope in humanity when Mom went to the fusebox and Earth Hour'd the house.

Drink's good though, thanks for asking.

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:41:53am

re: #157 laZardo

So I was about to find some hope in humanity when Mom went to the fusebox and Earth Hour'd the house.

Drink's good though, thanks for asking.

See, I'm gonna start my truck and let it idle in the driveway for an hour.

159 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:42:13am

There is an equation people have in their heads, namely more policemen = better police protection. But it depends on the quality of the police force, and at some point, I think we have reached the point of diminshing returns: namely that one bad cop can undo the benefits of a dozen good ones.

The LAPD was an early case in point in that respect: the Rodney King affair led to the OJ Simpson getting let off because hs lawyers got the jury to doubt the honesty and comptence of the LAPD.

160 gamark  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:44:28am

re: #154 RogueOne

My guess is the expiration date of both of their careers is coming up quicker than they expected.

I suspect so. I have no problem whatsoever with gays serving. I am however watching with interest how the housing logistics will be worked out.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:44:29am

re: #159 ralphieboy

There is an equation people have in their heads, namely more policemen = better police protection. But it depends on the quality of the police force, and at some point, I think we have reached the point of diminshing returns: namely that one bad cop can undo the benefits of a dozen good ones.

The LAPD was an early case in point in that respect: the Rodney King affair led to the OJ Simpson getting let off because hs lawyers got the jury to doubt the honesty and comptence of the LAPD.

Don't forget the Rampart division of the LAPD. A lot of California's tobacco lawsuit money went to pay for lawsuits because of those guys, IIRC.

162 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:46:46am

Ah well ,,, day shift guy should be here soon. I have to (Walters word) SHLEPP (sp) some equipment I had to test and remove from service down to another building to be "retired' before I head home

Have a good day, friends, and "see" anyone who is here tonight

163 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:51:31am

re: #162 sattv4u2

l8r sat

164 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:53:00am

re: #160 gamark

I suspect so. I have no problem whatsoever with gays serving. I am however watching with interest how the housing logistics will be worked out.

What logistic? They sleep like they always have. What's the problem?

165 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:53:56am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't forget the Rampart division of the LAPD. A lot of California's tobacco lawsuit money went to pay for lawsuits because of those guys, IIRC.

And that the Rodney King incident essentially started that era of music where women were referred to as female canines and pieces of gardening equipment.

166 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:55:53am

Update on the road rage incident where the guy blamed his Obama sticker.
[Link: www.wkrn.com...]


NASHVILLE, Tenn. – The man accused in an incident of road rage over an Obama bumper sticker Thursday afternoon says he was only trying to get around another car that had stopped in front of him.

News 2 talked to Harry Weisiger by phone Friday.

Weisiger, 70, is accused of hitting Mark Duren's car on Blair Boulevard around 4:30p.m. Friday.

He said, "He slammed on his brakes, and I hit him in the bumper when I tried to go around him."

Weisiger did not mention the Obama bumper sticker when News 2 spoke with him on the phone Friday, but did admit fault for leaving the scene of the accident.
...........
According to the police report, officers found Weisiger in the parking lot of Harris Teeter, where he said he had stopped to buy dinner.

David Todd, who witnessed the accident from his window, said the SUV hit the car more than once.

"He hit him twice," Todd said. "When I stood up, the truck was about a foot behind the car, and that's when he plowed into him again and pushed him 50 feet, turned him sideways right here, and took off."

Todd said Duren and his daughter were obviously both shaken by the accident.

"He was opening the door trying to get out of the car as he's pushing him down the street, and I was like, ‘Oh don't get out of the car you may get run over,' and he said he didn't think about that at the time, that he was just panicking," Todd said.

Weisiger is charged with two counts of reckless endangerment, driving under the influence, refusing to take a breath test, and leaving the scene of an accident.

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:02:38am

I'm glad the stimulus got passed and is gonna help keep unemployment at 8%.
[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

168 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:05:56am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw FL's unemployment number was at an all-time high. That's something you probably know all about first hand.

169 gamark  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:06:13am

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Well, my knowledge of military barracks arrangements is somewhat dated (Vietnam era). If the current arrangement allows straight men and straight women to share rooms and shower together, then I see no issue at all with extending that policy to openly gay service people. If, on the other hand, men and women are segregated into separate rooms and/or shower separately, then I would suspect the same reasons for that segregation would apply to sexual orientation as well.

170 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:06:14am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm glad the stimulus got passed and is gonna help keep unemployment at 8%.
[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

"That's what they get for not voting for the stimulus!"

/wait, didn't Charlie Crist vote for it?

171 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:07:53am

That snapping noise:
[Link: www.gocomics.com...]

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:08:39am

re: #170 laZardo

"That's what they get for not voting for the stimulus!"

/wait, didn't Charlie Crist vote for it?

Crist did accept money, then ran ads in his Senate bid bitching about it. That is why Marco Rubio is gonna win the seat.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:11:00am

re: #168 RogueOne

I saw FL's unemployment number was at an all-time high. That's something you probably know all about first hand.

Yes. But lucky for me, I'm working for a guy I worked for 6 years ago. And he loves me.

174 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:12:18am

Good Morning Lizards and Juices
Hope everyone is well today

175 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:13:50am

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards and Juices
Hope everyone is well today

Dad got the job, first check will be about a month from now due to probation period so 'survival mode' is gonna be just a bit longer.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:15:40am

re: #175 laZardo

Dad got the job, first check will be about a month from now due to probation period so 'survival mode' is gonna be just a bit longer.

A bit longer is fine if you make it.

177 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:17:48am

re: #175 laZardo

Dad got the job, first check will be about a month from now due to probation period so 'survival mode' is gonna be just a bit longer.

That is just wonderful news Lazardo!
I'm happy for your family...
/Isn't the prayer list amazing? There has got to be a monk living in Tibet that reads LGF every Sunday and prays for us...Dude has got to have God's cell phone number handy...It is just amazing the feed back I get every week

178 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:17:57am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm glad the stimulus got passed and is gonna help keep unemployment at 8%.
[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

This is the kind of projects the stimulus money has been spent on...

roduction and delivery of cooked deli breasts - $5,379,000

Southwest Expert DTV Installs - $648,000

Develop 'real life' stroies that underscore job and infrastructure related to ARRA research findings. - $363,760

And these lists and projects go on and on. If you look closely at the projects, you will see that most of these projects were PORK projects that would have eventually been placed inside bills and other legislation, all payoff's back to politicians districts. It must have been like christmas for these politicians to go donw their pork lists and cross all this shit off as "done."

If you want to really get upset, you poke around the official How tax payers money was wasted.

179 jvic  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:18:39am

re: #33 RadicalModerate

Gazing through some of the archived stories on the original suit - the original arrest was back in 2005 - there's a significant amount of speculation that may well have been a "Driving While Black" arrest. I'm not going to go that route, especially given the fact that cops have been known to taser 90-year-old ladies at the drop of a hat.

The "Driving While Black" interpretation crossed my mind too, but, as you say, who knows?

Or could it be "Suing While Black"? According to Wikipedia, the two judges who voted against the tasee were born in 1929 and 1937 (and appointed by President Reagan, I regret to admit). The dissenting judge is a Clinton appointee born in 1945.

Back in 1929, "those people" knew their place.

The foregoing is a pure guess, but the decision seems so, in the dissenting judge's words, 'off the wall' that it's hard not to speculate.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:19:05am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

And then there's this...
[Link: biggovernment.com...]

181 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:19:11am

Interesting piece in Salon:

Progressive: Not just a euphemism for liberal
Unless the similar but not synonymous ideologies work together, taxpayers end up getting bilked


As a progressive, I'm often asked if there is a real difference between progressivism and liberalism, or if progressivism is merely a nicer-sounding term for the less popular L-word.

It's a fair question, considering that Democratic politicians regularly substitute "progressive" for "liberal" in news releases and speeches. Predictably, Republicans call their opponents' linguistic shift a craven branding maneuver, and frankly, they're right: Most Democrats make no distinction between the two words.

However, that doesn't mean the ideologies are synonymous. In fact, if the last decade of economic policy proves anything, it is that even as the word "progressive" is now ubiquitous, a perverted form of liberalism has almost completely snuffed out genuine progressivism.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

182 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:21:22am

re: #177 HoosierHoops

That is just wonderful news Lazardo!
I'm happy for your family...
/Isn't the prayer list amazing? There has got to be a monk living in Tibet that reads LGF every Sunday and prays for us...Dude has got to have God's cell phone number handy...It is just amazing the feed back I get every week

I thank the Global Zionist Conspiracy for pulling the right strings, even in Oman. ;)

183 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:25:13am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I just want to apologize again to you Walter...
I was watching Basketball last night and just jacked up when somebody brought up when I got outed on the web and I was just in the upper Frequency when you asked a question and i dumped on you...
You can count on one hand when anything has ever bother me on a blog..
Sorry i put you in the cross hair...I really am bro.
You didn't deserve that...I'm an idiot

184 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:26:28am

re: #183 HoosierHoops

I just want to apologize again to you Walter...
I was watching Basketball last night and just jacked up when somebody brought up when I got outed on the web and I was just in the upper Frequency when you asked a question and i dumped on you...
You can count on one hand when anything has ever bother me on a blog..
Sorry i put you in the cross hair...I really am bro.
You didn't deserve that...I'm an idiot

Ok.

185 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:29:22am

This is absolutely sick thinking...

"I'm just thankful that not one of them was left behind. It would be so much easier for them this way, both being able to go, be together in heaven," Leroy Kauffman, pastor of the Marrowbone Christian Brotherhood Church in Burkesville, said in a press conference Friday.

Folks... this is the kind of mentality that poisons education, local and national politics and world views. This medieval mind set needs to be overthrown.

186 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:30:41am

OT: There have been some new rules put in place IRT the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. This brief story outlines some of them. It is going to be a long slog in the service and it is going to be a painful process but I think it will eventually be for the better. There are going to have to be complete habit shifts for large numbers of military members. It will take focused effort.

187 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:33:10am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Ok.

OK?
Ok..you accept my apology or OK I'm an idiot?
or both?
*wink*

188 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:33:48am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

FTA:


A Kentucky pastor said it was "easier" that a Mennonite couple that was engaged to be married died together in a car crash Friday instead of one having to live without the other.

To me, that's almost a romantic view of life. I can see how someone would think something similar, with or without heaven being a consideration.

189 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:34:43am

re: #188 RogueOne

PIMF. Bad quote tag, the last portion is mine. I see how someone could think something similar.

190 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:35:01am

re: #187 HoosierHoops

OK?
Ok..you accept my apology or OK I'm an idiot?
or both?
*wink*

I vote "both."
///

191 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:35:53am

re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar

I vote "both."
///

The truth shall set you free..
//

192 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:37:21am

My coffee pot shut off after a certain amount of time. Just took a big swig of cold coffee. Yuk.

193 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:40:01am

re: #188 RogueOne

FTA:

Fine... and I can see how that is brain-damaged thinking, heaven or no heaven, religion or no religion, beliefs or no beliefs. This ain't Romeo and Juliet folks, this is real life, and that's sick thinking.

I don't want that pastor in a position to ever have to make any life or death decisions for someone else. There is no fucking way to spin this as "romantic" or otherwise. That is putrid, period.

194 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:40:04am

re: #183 HoosierHoops

You dumped on somebody? Bullshit. What'd you do, say, "you're being a little annoying"?

195 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:40:50am

re: #194 cliffster

You dumped on somebody? Bullshit. What'd you do, say, "you're being a little annoying"?

Why doesn't everyone fucking drop it.

196 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:41:23am

re: #5 Gus 802

Philip Glass & Ravi Shankar - Ragas in Minor Scale


From "Passages", which is one of the greatest albums ever.

197 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:42:06am

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Why doesn't everyone fucking drop it.

/implying we don't hold grudges

/ q:

198 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:43:28am

re: #197 laZardo

/implying we don't hold grudges

/ q:

I don't know what you are talking about. I'm not holding any grudge. HH and I went around on something last night, he said he was sorry, I accepted (last night) he reiterated his apology today, I said OK.

Where do you get off telling me I'm holding any grudge?

199 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:45:13am

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

Just playing on the post I replied to. Note the extra sarc. Sorry.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:45:21am

Move over, Avatar!!!!
[Link: artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com...]

201 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:45:58am

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Why doesn't everyone fucking drop it.

done

202 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:46:09am

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Why doesn't everyone fucking drop it.

Well..Well.. somebodies feelings are still hurt..
Sure we'll drop it..Sorry if I apologized to you...Your acceptance touched my heart...
It's fucking dropped Walter...

203 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:47:43am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

Fine... and I can see how that is brain-damaged thinking, heaven or no heaven, religion or no religion, beliefs or no beliefs. This ain't Romeo and Juliet folks, this is real life, and that's sick thinking.

I don't want that pastor in a position to ever have to make any life or death decisions for someone else. There is no fucking way to spin this as "romantic" or otherwise. That is putrid, period.

And here I thought I was the overly cynical one. You've never been in a relationship where you'd rather die than to have to live without the other person? For the sake of honesty I haven't but we read about situations like it all the time so I assume it happens.

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:49:34am

re: #203 RogueOne

What I find kind of amazing is when a couple married for a long time (40 plus years or so) die within a couple months of each other. Usually of natural causes.

205 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:50:11am

re: #202 HoosierHoops

Well..Well.. somebodies feelings are still hurt..
Sure we'll drop it..Sorry if I apologized to you...Your acceptance touched my heart...
It's fucking dropped Walter...

HH... stop. I was talking about other people jumping in on this, not your apology. You apology was accepted last night, reaffirmed just a little while ago, that should be the end of it. I'm sorry the subject was even brought up last night. But I don't need other people jumping in and making remarks.

206 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:50:26am

re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar

What I find kind of amazing is when a couple married for a long time (40 plus years or so) die within a couple months of each other. Usually of natural causes. a broken heart


FTFY

207 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:50:49am

re: #206 HoosierHoops

FTFY

Good fix.

208 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:50:51am

re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar

What I find kind of amazing is when a couple married for a long time (40 plus years or so) die within a couple months of each other. Usually of natural causes.

Yeah, I don't know if you can say it happens more often than not, but it happens a lot.

209 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:51:20am

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

sorry

210 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:51:49am

re: #203 RogueOne

And here I thought I was the overly cynical one. You've never been in a relationship where you'd rather die than to have to live without the other person? For the sake of honesty I haven't but we read about situations like it all the time so I assume it happens.

And I guess people commit suicide because they are despondent over loosing a loved one, still don't make it right. There is no way this pastors statement was good, right, clear thinking, whatever.

You call it cynical, I call it logical.

211 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:52:20am

re: #209 cliffster

sorry

Not again :)

212 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:53:10am

re: #192 Cannadian Club Akbar

My coffee pot shut off after a certain amount of time. Just took a big swig of cold coffee. Yuk.

SHOOT IT.

213 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:54:37am

re: #212 MandyManners

SHOOT IT.

LOL
There has got to be a story somewhere of somebody shooting their Coffee pot.
Good Morning Mandy

214 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:55:37am

re: #203 RogueOne

And here I thought I was the overly cynical one. You've never been in a relationship where you'd rather die than to have to live without the other person? For the sake of honesty I haven't but we read about situations like it all the time so I assume it happens.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this thinking. I've been in relationships where I wanted the other person to die, I've been in relationships where I didn't want anyone to die, but I've never been in a relationship where I WANTED TO DIE FOR ANY REASON.

I'm sorry, I don't let any emotions get that embedded into my psychs to the point that it's going to interfere with logical thought.

215 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:56:06am

Petey's missing from his cage. bbiab

216 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:56:39am

another TSA nominee drops out...that's number two
[Link: www.chron.com...]

217 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:56:45am

re: #212 MandyManners

SHOOT IT.

That's the response of someone denied coffee

218 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:57:56am

you guys are harshing my buzz. Afghan Star is on HBO in the background - first time i've watched this movie. Never wanted to hug a bunch of random tribespeople so much in my life. what a great documentary.

219 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:58:28am

re: #216 albusteve

another TSA nominee drops out...that's number two
[Link: www.chron.com...]

You know what isn't said?
( I'm making a boat load of money being a Contractor )

220 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:59:03am

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

you guys are harshing my buzz. Afghan Star is on HBO in the background - first time i've watched this movie. Never wanted to hug a bunch of random tribespeople so much in my life. what a great documentary.

I saw that last week...Great great show

221 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 7:59:53am

re: #215 MandyManners

Petey's missing from his cage. bbiab

I took in 2 birds from someone that was gonna let them loose (see-bait). Every time I came home from work, the male was out. I ended up giving them to a friend's neighbor. (11 year old)

222 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:01:28am

OT: Hey folks, do you know what day it is?

It's the 27th of March, time for the 4th Annual Earth Hour where everyone turns off their lights for an hour in an effort to reduce energy consumption!

I'd participate but I have a huge online meeting scheduled at 2030 hours in World of Wardork so the planet will have to wait.

223 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:01:50am

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this thinking. I've been in relationships where I wanted the other person to die, I've been in relationships where I didn't want anyone to die, but I've never been in a relationship where I WANTED TO DIE FOR ANY REASON.

I'm sorry, I don't let any emotions get that embedded into my psychs to the point that it's going to interfere with logical thought.

I get that. I'm cold enough that my friends tease me about being a psychopath. I'm 3/4 of the way through a bottle of nyquil so maybe that's why I'm seeing the romance in what the preacher said. Either way according to the Amish around here Mennonites are going to burn anyway.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:02:58am

re: #222 Jetpilot1101

OT: Hey folks, do you know what day it is?

It's the 27th of March, time for the 4th Annual Earth Hour where everyone turns off their lights for an hour in an effort to reduce energy consumption!

I'd participate but I have a huge online meeting scheduled at 2030 hours in World of Wardork so the planet will have to wait.

Mentioned earlier. My response.

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

See, I'm gonna start my truck and let it idle in the driveway for an hour.

225 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:03:53am

Good morning Lizards .... I'm thinking about the diplomatic conflict between the Obama administration and the Israelis and wondering how this happened. In looking at it, I have more questions than answers. Here are a few.

Did the Netanyahu government look at how Obama seems to bend over backwards to kowtow to our enemies and figure that governments who insult Obama are more likely to be treated well?

Does Obama's monster ego cause him to perceive any conflict as a personal insult that must be answered in kind?

I have seen this happen more than once with those whom he feels he is "more powerful" than, such as Israel or hapless American politicians who oppose him. Remember when he called Hillary "Annie Oakley" because she disagreed with him? It is a most unsavory trait.

226 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:04:25am

re: #222 Jetpilot1101

OT: Hey folks, do you know what day it is?

It's the 27th of March, time for the 4th Annual Earth Hour where everyone turns off their lights for an hour in an effort to reduce energy consumption!

I'd participate but I have a huge online meeting scheduled at 2030 hours in World of Wardork so the planet will have to wait.

What CCA said, see my #157.

227 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:05:02am

re: #225 _RememberTonyC

Speaking of conflict, see my #18 for the start of Cast Lead II.

228 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:05:04am

re: #223 RogueOne

I get that. I'm cold enough that my friends tease me about being a psychopath. I'm 3/4 of the way through a bottle of nyquil so maybe that's why I'm seeing the romance in what the preacher said. Either way according to the Amish around here Mennonites are going to burn anyway.

LOL...

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:05:12am

re: #225 _RememberTonyC

But, but, he won.
/

230 Macha  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:06:18am

re: #37 Gus 802

OK Yeah. Must be rough for a cop to control a 90 year old woman that goes out of control. One would think a trained policeman could avoid that. I suppose that's different then using old fashioned muscle power. I think the office on the scene needing to use a tazer against a woman over 60, unless she's a muscle builder, to have weak upper body strength and shouldn't even be on the force to begin with.

You would think they would use something other than brute force in a number of circumstances, but most cops simply aren't taught any other form of management of assaultive behavior. I've seen it dozens of times when I worked in a very large jail for a number of years. If the person needing control were in a mental facility, out of control behavior would be managed by three or four persons, half of them women, without harm to anyone. The argument given for continuing the use of taser, or direct 'slam em down no matter what' is that the suspect might be armed or know some kind of martial arts. There is some truth in that, but unfortuately that criteria is applied to everyone, including 90 year old women. There are exceptions to this of course and there are many cops out there who use good judgement in arrest situations.

231 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:06:40am

re: #225 _RememberTonyC

Obama's positioning and position on this is no different than Clinton or Bush. How many times does that have to be pointed out. Even Charles pointed that out.

232 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:07:02am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry, I just made it into the conversation. In all honesty, I have to fly tonight which means that while the lights will be off in my house, I'll be climbing into an aircraft for 3 hours to get my semi-annual minimums done. This lovely flying machine pumps out around 20,000 pounds of CO2 per hour.

233 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:07:09am

re: #203 RogueOne

And here I thought I was the overly cynical one. You've never been in a relationship where you'd rather die than to have to live without the other person? For the sake of honesty I haven't but we read about situations like it all the time so I assume it happens.

What we all too often read about in the press are the situations where one spouse (almost always the male) decides that he would rather kill her than have to live without her...and then he kills himself as a bonus.
Very romantic.

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:08:47am

re: #232 Jetpilot1101

No. It's cool. I was just pointing out my snarky remark! And as for your flying today, WAY COOL!

235 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:08:48am

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

What we all too often read about in the press are the situations where one spouse (almost always the male) decides that he would rather kill her than have to live without her...and then he kills himself as a bonus.
Very romantic.

HA! "Look what she made me do!" is always romantic. Love hurts baby.

236 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:09:05am

re: #84 laZardo

I actually do not trust cops at all, especially living in Manila for so long. I think it'd be very safe to assume that they are either looking for ways to garnish their gratuitously low salaries or are just in it for the sadistic kicks.

Cost of bribes in Manila to traffic police for the 4 times I was stopped: 2000 pesos

Cost of Pinoy drivers license: 600 pesos

Never bought the license and saved myself 600 pesos. heh.

237 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:09:08am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

A couple of years ago in the middle of winter I went out and warmed up my car..When I went back out some drunk punk stole my car....
He drove it home and passed out...It took the cops about an hour to find my red Beemer in a trailer park...
I hope he enjoyed his time in jail...

238 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:09:59am

re: #232 Jetpilot1101

Sorry, I just made it into the conversation. In all honesty, I have to fly tonight which means that while the lights will be off in my house, I'll be climbing into an aircraft for 3 hours to get my semi-annual minimums done. This lovely flying machine pumps out around 20,000 pounds of CO2 per hour.

Take me! take me!

239 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:10:18am

re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar

I found the furry little bastard in the animals' closet where we keep their food, toys, leashes and the like. He'd eaten a hole in his feed bag. Gah. What a mess.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:10:26am

re: #237 HoosierHoops

A couple of years ago in the middle of winter I went out and warmed up my car..When I went back out some drunk punk stole my car...
He drove it home and passed out...It took the cops about an hour to find my red Beemer in a trailer park...
I hope he enjoyed his time in jail...

I used to know a funny BMW/driver joke, but I can't remember it.
/

241 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:11:27am

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Take me! take me!

HH, I'd take you in a heartbeat if it weren't for those pesky regulations I have to abide by.

242 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:11:41am

re: #225 _RememberTonyC

Good morning Lizards ... I'm thinking about the diplomatic conflict between the Obama administration and the Israelis and wondering how this happened. In looking at it, I have more questions than answers. Here are a few.

Did the Netanyahu government look at how Obama seems to bend over backwards to kowtow to our enemies and figure that governments who insult Obama are more likely to be treated well?

Does Obama's monster ego cause him to perceive any conflict as a personal insult that must be answered in kind?

I have seen this happen more than once with those whom he feels he is "more powerful" than, such as Israel or hapless American politicians who oppose him. Remember when he called Hillary "Annie Oakley" because she disagreed with him? It is a most unsavory trait.

DING! Naricissitic wounds go deeep.

243 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:11:55am

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

Obama's positioning and position on this is no different than Clinton or Bush. How many times does that have to be pointed out. Even Charles pointed that out.

Bullshit .... you have no sense of diplomacy or nuance on this issue. Perception is reality in the arab/muslim world and Obama is seen as anti Israel. Bush was not seen that way. I'll quote one of your guys and say "this is a big fucking deal." I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:12:11am

re: #241 Jetpilot1101

HH, I'd take you in a heartbeat if it weren't for those pesky regulations I have to abide by.

So, I'm guessing no cooler full of beer?
/

245 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:12:16am

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

Speaking of which this just came up on my playlist, a love story from Alice:

Gail

It's been an Alice Cooper morning.

246 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:12:30am

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

Obama's positioning and position on this is no different than Clinton or Bush. How many times does that have to be pointed out. Even Charles pointed that out.

Even if that were true, which is not admitted, it doesn't make it right and it doesn't give anyone a tu quoque pass.

247 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:12:39am

re: #236 Oh no...Sand People!

I got pulled over once for bad lane-changing in one of the few higher-class places in the city where they actually enforced traffic law. Thankfully I had my ever-so-cautious parents riding in the car to talk the officer into just giving me a warning, since my lack of local accent would've caused us to bribe him even more. ):

248 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:13:18am

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Take me! take me!

In bed.

249 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:13:26am

I'm getting ready to have a lot of fun in a bit. The girlfriend and I are going to the supermarket to do food shopping for Passover. SO much fun going up and down the isles and looking at food and stuff and dealing with the nice clerks and crowds and terrible muzak and...

250 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:14:05am

re: #247 laZardo

I got pulled over once for bad lane-changing in one of the few higher-class places in the city where they actually enforced traffic law. Thankfully I had my ever-so-cautious parents riding in the car to talk the officer into just giving me a warning, since my lack of local accent would've caused us to bribe him even more. ):

I got busted for driving through the 'bus lane'... when ya gotta get to Greenhills..ya gotta get to Greenhills.

251 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:14:15am

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

Bullshit ... you have no sense of diplomacy or nuance on this issue. Perception is reality in the arab/muslim world and Obama is seen as anti Israel. Bush was not seen that way. I'll quote one of your guys and say "this is a big fucking deal." I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

re: #246 Spare O'Lake

Even if that were true, which is not admitted, it doesn't make it right and it doesn't give anyone a tu quoque pass.

I changed my mind.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:14:40am

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

Yea. Clerks at the grocery store are a pain in the ass.
///

253 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:14:51am

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

I'm getting ready to have a lot of fun in a bit. The girlfriend and I are going to the supermarket to do food shopping for Passover. SO much fun going up and down the isles and looking at food and stuff and dealing with the nice clerks and crowds and terrible muzak and...

NOT!

254 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:14:58am

re: #241 Jetpilot1101

HH, I'd take you in a heartbeat if it weren't for those pesky regulations I have to abide by.

Damn!
/Sorry Maverick.. The pattern is full

255 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:15:08am

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

I'm getting ready to have a lot of fun in a bit. The girlfriend and I are going to the supermarket to do food shopping for Passover. SO much fun going up and down the isles and looking at food and stuff and dealing with the nice clerks and crowds and terrible muzak and...

At first I was like, "Walter...you dog :)"...then I was like, "...oh."

Well, good on ya.

256 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:15:51am

The Marine Corps’ commandant said he will not force his troops to sleep in the same quarters with gays on base and would give them separate rooms if Congress votes to allow openly gay service.

The comment by Gen. James Conway is the latest pushback by a small but vocal faction of senior military leaders opposed to a repeal of the 1993 law known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

President Obama says the ban is unfair, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates has launched a lengthy study to determine how to allow gays to serve openly without hurting military effectiveness.

Among the questions to be answered is whether changes to housing policies would even be necessary.

Conway, a known opponent of repealing the law, suggested in an interview published Friday by Military.com that he already knows it would be a logistical hurdle. On base, Marines typically sleep two to a room.

“I would not ask our Marines to live with someone who is homosexual if we can possibly avoid it,” he said.

“And to me that means we have to build BEQs [bachelor enlisted quarters] and have single rooms,” he said.

SNIP

257 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:15:58am

re: #18 laZardo

Cast Lead, Part Two?

Also good afternoon.

one COULD make the argument that Obama's strategy will make it worse for everyone. Israel knows the American PEOPLE support it ... at least for now. Our POTUS has the power to damage that element of trust through his bully pulpet. But Israel isn't dumb, they'll do what is necessary to survive.

258 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:16:33am

re: #244 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, I'm guessing no cooler full of beer?
/

Not during the flight. Funny story: I had a friend I used to fly with who would carry around empty beer cans in his flight bag. After takeoff, he'd wait about 15 minutes and then toss one back from the flight deck into the passenger compartment. He'd do this every 15 minutes or so until someone walked up and said something. I think his record was six.

259 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:17:07am

re: #250 Oh no...Sand People!

I got busted for driving through the 'bus lane'... when ya gotta get to Greenhills..ya gotta get to Greenhills.

I blame the u-turn system.

Though as expensive and environmentally unsound as driving can be, it's safer than walking.

262 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:17:28am

re: #255 Oh no...Sand People!

At first I was like, "Walter...you dog :)"...then I was like, "...oh."

Well, good on ya.

I was being sarcastic. And by the way, this Wed., I join the work force of supermarket professionals as a cashier in training, part time, at a supermarket up here near my house. Only part time, but it will take care of my financial obligations and it's better than sitting on my ass. I'm still looking for a full time programming job, but I'm happy to have something.

263 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:18:48am

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

one COULD make the argument that Obama's strategy will make it worse for everyone. Israel knows the American PEOPLE support it ... at least for now. Our POTUS has the power to damage that element of trust through his bully pulpet. But Israel isn't dumb, they'll do what is necessary to survive.

The message "you're on your own" will have some violent consequences.

264 laZardo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:20:08am

Headin' to bed. Nighty.

265 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:20:10am

re: #256 MandyManners

The Marine Corps’ commandant said he will not force his troops to sleep in the same quarters with gays on base and would give them separate rooms if Congress votes to allow openly gay service.

sheesh. they'll jump out of a perfectly good air transport but they're too scaredy to sleep in a room with teh ghey? methinks the commandant hath too low an opinion of our good men and women in uni...

266 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:20:21am

re: #263 jaunte

We saw your cover for the LGF cookbook last night. Excellent job!

267 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:20:43am

re: #259 laZardo

I blame the u-turn system.

Though as expensive and environmentally unsound as driving can be, it's safer than walking.

To be honest, I am shocked that something like that isn't a daily occurrence. I have never seen more people and vehicles crammed together in my life.

268 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:21:15am

re: #263 jaunte

The message "you're on your own" will have some violent consequences.

I just hope Obama's team is working hard on those green jobs where they wean us off mideast oil. Have the scientific geniuses made major progress in that area? Or were they busy

fixing

something far less urgent?

269 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:21:52am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

Thanks! I'm sorry it's taken so long, but this version of the cookbook also has 14 interior illustrations. There's one in there of you tending your garden at the front of the Gardening tips section.

270 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:21:54am

The head of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland will be pressed to quit if he refuses to resign over the growing child abuse scandal, The Times has learnt.

Nothing less than Cardinal Sean Brady’s resignation will diminish fury at the highest levels in Rome over his role in paedophile priest cover-ups.

The Northern Ireland Assembly prepared last night to order an official investigation into child abuse in the Province after details emerged of more attacks on children by members of the clergy.

Dr Brady is spending the days before Easter considering his position as Archbishop of Armagh. Although there is no canonical procedure to remove him, if he refuses to go voluntarily pressure from the Holy See will make his departure inevitable. “Ireland needs a fresh start,” a source in Rome said. “By clinging on, he is putting his own interests before the Church’s.”

SNIP

271 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:22:21am

Michelle Malkin on Earth Hour....

Tonight at 8:30 p.m. EDT, my house is going to be lit up brighter than Perth, Australia when John Glenn flew over in Friendship 7. Here’s why…

Another “Earth Hour” is upon us. This is the night we’re supposed to turn off all our lights in solidarity with… darkness, or something. It’s also symbolic of a desire to “take action on global climate change.”
...
Additionally, I refuse to acknowledge, symbolically or otherwise, that electricity is the problem and that civilization can be saved by turning itself into North Korea for any length of time.
...
My own theory for the thinking behind Earth Hour is that Al Gore and his fellow enviro-scammers have settled on going dark as the single best way to make sure nobody can see them pick-pocketing the world.

272 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:22:36am

re: #260 Oh no...Sand People!

Hmmm... I don't know what to make of that.

He's a Marine. He'll follow orders.

273 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:23:02am

re: #269 jaunte

Thanks! I'm sorry it's taken so long, but this version of the cookbook also has 14 interior illustrations. There's one in there of you tending your garden at the front of the Gardening tips section.

No Way! I can't wait to see it!

274 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:23:41am

re: #256 MandyManners

Big changes are coming in the military if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" changes. I'd have no problem sharing a room with an openly gay man (I'm happily married to a lovely woman) but I can tell you that there are folks I work with who would really have a problem with it. There are folks in the military who would have a problem pissing next to an openly gay man at a urinal. It sounds homophobic but unlike other facets of private business where gay people have been making inroads for years, the military has not. Right or wrong, this would be a huge step all at once and it will be a long painful process before all is said an done.

275 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:23:57am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

you're going to hate me, but that was kinda funny...

276 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:23:59am

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, he won.
/

he's 1-0 so far in national politics. Bush 41 was 1-0 too ...

277 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:24:01am

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

Oh for fuck's sake...so to speak.

No comment. I'm laughing too much.

278 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:24:38am

re: #273 Killgore Trout

Way! (In your lizard guise, of course).

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:24:52am

re: #276 _RememberTonyC

he's 1-0 so far in national politics. Bush 41 was 1-0 too ...

As was Carter.

280 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:25:14am

Gotta go. Later all.

281 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:26:26am

re: #277 MandyManners

No comment. I'm laughing too much.

Don't hurt yourself.

282 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:26:28am

re: #268 _RememberTonyC

something far less urgent?

What's more important than distracting people from a collapsing economy? It's circus time, delay and distract! That's why they're going into Cap and trade and immigration reform next, they need another fight.

283 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:27:07am

re: #274 Jetpilot1101

Big changes are coming in the military if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" changes. I'd have no problem sharing a room with an openly gay man (I'm happily married to a lovely woman) but I can tell you that there are folks I work with who would really have a problem with it. There are folks in the military who would have a problem pissing next to an openly gay man at a urinal. It sounds homophobic but unlike other facets of private business where gay people have been making inroads for years, the military has not. Right or wrong, this would be a huge step all at once and it will be a long painful process before all is said and done.

That's what the homophobes are worried about.

284 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:27:19am

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

As was Carter.

Indeed ... excellent point. If Obama keeps up his breakneck speed to do too much too soon, he's not gonna be 2-0. He has to let the dust settle before the next big thing. And the GOP has to grow up and find smart ways to oppose his programs. If both of those things happen, we'll be OK.

285 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:27:50am

Drought conditions assisting Venezuela with Earth Hour:

Outside the capital Caracas, Venezuelans face power cuts of up to six hours a day. On Wednesday, Chavez decreed three extra vacation days during Easter week to save electricity.
[Link: www.timeslive.co.za...]
286 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:27:57am

re: #282 RogueOne

What's more important than distracting people from a collapsing economy? It's circus time, delay and distract! That's why they're going into Cap and trade and immigration reform next, they need another fight.

too much too soon ... they gotta slow down a bit.

287 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:28:11am

re: #265 Aceofwhat?

sheesh. they'll jump out of a perfectly good air transport but they're too scaredy to sleep in a room with teh ghey? methinks the commandant hath too low an opinion of our good men and women in uni...

If you read the article, you'll see that he's not the only one. He said in his interview with military.com that his Marines are against repealing DADT.

288 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:29:27am

re: #274 Jetpilot1101

Big changes are coming in the military if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" changes. I'd have no problem sharing a room with an openly gay man (I'm happily married to a lovely woman) but I can tell you that there are folks I work with who would really have a problem with it. There are folks in the military who would have a problem pissing next to an openly gay man at a urinal. It sounds homophobic but unlike other facets of private business where gay people have been making inroads for years, the military has not. Right or wrong, this would be a huge step all at once and it will be a long painful process before all is said an done.

How many will "vote with your feet"?

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:29:43am

re: #286 _RememberTonyC

too much too soon ... they gotta slow down a bit.

I worry more about what they pass while others are distracted by something big. Slight of hand.

290 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:30:29am

Watching Demons & Angels decoded..
Why do they keep talking about the element of Fire?
Fire isn't an element..It's a organic reaction..
Jeez

291 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:30:30am

re: #281 Walter L. Newton

Don't hurt yourself.

You wanna' mess with a cat? Talk to him from a fourth-floor window.

292 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:31:12am

re: #285 jaunte

Drought conditions assisting Venezuela with Earth Hour:

Aww, he's just a big tree-hugger at heart//

293 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:31:47am

re: #291 MandyManners

You wanna' mess with a cat? Talk to him from a fourth-floor window.

Show him the bird.

294 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:32:38am

re: #278 jaunte

I can't wait. That really made my day! Thanks again. That's a lot of work. We really appreciate it.

295 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:33:34am

re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worry more about what they pass while others are distracted by something big. Slight of hand.

the smartest thing a teacher ever said to me was by my jr year high school history teacher in Brockton, Mass. Her name was Ms. Dounelis and she simply said "the masses are asses." She said this right after introducing herself on the first day of classes. Truer words were never spoken ...

296 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:35:05am

re: #287 MandyManners

If you read the article, you'll see that he's not the only one. He said in his interview with military.com that his Marines are against repealing DADT.

my guess - the population of marines who oppose the repeal are the same guys who ogle women in exactly the manner they fear from a homosexual. they need to grow a real pair of stones.

297 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:35:06am

re: #288 MandyManners

How many will "vote with your feet"?

That is tough to say. If you ask me, I think some folks will use the Human Relations regulations to make openly gay personnel lives a living hell. It is not too hard to file an HR complaint for sexual harassment and evey claim must be investigated for merit. HR violations are morale killers. I can see someone filing a complaint for something as simple as "he oggled me in the shower and I feel uncomfortable". Harassment is a two-way street and we all know that. Throw openly gay members into the mix and you have huge problems even if the complaints are without merit.

298 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:36:33am

Hoosier ... great year for Hoosier Hoops. Purdue was scrappy, but couldn't overcome Hummel's absence. Butler is my team now. Bring Dennis Hopper to speak to the team ... he's dying of cancer but I saw he was out and about yesterday. What an inspiration it would be!

299 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:38:15am

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

They do it every year. It the contrarian nature of modern conservatism. If someone wants to conserve energy, they want to waste it. Malkin thinks Obama's childhood obesity campaign is a socialist plot to benefit the unions.
I saw this last night saw this....
Jamie Oliver's Ministry of Food Control

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


They don't want healthy food for kids. It's pretty amazing what they'll oppose just because someone else endorses it.

300 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:38:31am

re: #296 Aceofwhat?

my guess - the population of marines who oppose the repeal are the same guys who ogle women in exactly the manner they fear from a homosexual. they need to grow a real pair of stones.

Spot on. But see, ogling women in their mind is "normal" whereas ogling a dude is not. The problem is, the woman may or may not file the complaint (most won't unless the harassment is really bad) but you can bet the dude getting ogled will file especially if he has an axe to grind with the gay member.

301 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:39:31am

re: #298 _RememberTonyC

Hoosier ... great year for Hoosier Hoops. Purdue was scrappy, but couldn't overcome Hummel's absence. Butler is my team now. Bring Dennis Hopper to speak to the team ... he's dying of cancer but I saw he was out and about yesterday. What an inspiration it would be!

I'll really miss the Hoosier spirit of Basketball..I'm out of here this summer..But it has been a great experience living in Basketball crazy Indiana.

302 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:40:54am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Show him the bird.

That'd hurt his feelings.

303 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:41:48am

re: #301 HoosierHoops

I'll really miss the Hoosier spirit of Basketball..I'm out of here this summer..But it has been a great experience living in Basketball crazy Indiana.

where ya going?

304 darthstar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:42:15am

re: #282 RogueOne

What's more important than distracting people from a collapsing economy? It's circus time, delay and distract! That's why they're going into Cap and trade and immigration reform next, they need another fight.

Jobs bill is next. Financial regulation and consumer protection (bad, BAD! SOCIALISM) then Immigration Reform going into November. This will force the "we won't cooperate on anything" GOP to either be anti-jobs, anti-consumer protection, AND anti-anyone-not-white as a party...not the best platform. If they're smart, the Republicans will spend this recess watching clips from Sesame Street on YouTube about the word CO-OP-ER-ATION.

305 soap_man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:42:17am

re: #274 Jetpilot1101

Big changes are coming in the military if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" changes. I'd have no problem sharing a room with an openly gay man (I'm happily married to a lovely woman) but I can tell you that there are folks I work with who would really have a problem with it. There are folks in the military who would have a problem pissing next to an openly gay man at a urinal. It sounds homophobic but unlike other facets of private business where gay people have been making inroads for years, the military has not. Right or wrong, this would be a huge step all at once and it will be a long painful process before all is said an done.

Morning jetpilot.

I'm only speaking as a civilian—a young one—but I'm not sure this will be as disruptive as when the military desegregated. While I'm sure there were plenty of disruptions, to quote the West Wing (the show): "It did disrupt the unit, but you know what? The unit got over it."

I have a few friends in military (Marines and Navy) and a cousin in the Air Force who have given mixed opinions about that statement. Your thoughts?

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:42:44am

I've tried to avoid cleaning my fridge, but I can't anymore. See ya'll in a bit.

307 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:43:54am

re: #297 Jetpilot1101

That is tough to say. If you ask me, I think some folks will use the Human Relations regulations to make openly gay personnel lives a living hell. It is not too hard to file an HR complaint for sexual harassment and evey claim must be investigated for merit. HR violations are morale killers. I can see someone filing a complaint for something as simple as "he oggled me in the shower and I feel uncomfortable". Harassment is a two-way street and we all know that. Throw openly gay members into the mix and you have huge problems even if the complaints are without merit.

If DADT is repealed, I'd hope that no servicemember would do that if not true. It would be dishonorable.

I think what Mullen was talking about was a refusal to join and a refusal to reenlist.

308 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:44:06am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've tried to avoid cleaning my fridge, but I can't anymore. See ya'll in a bit.

Be careful!

309 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:44:44am

Wall Street gets a windfall:


Insurers Give Up as Investors
While many insurers looked after their own investments for decades, lately more have looked for some help, after finding themselves caught off guard by the weakness, or complexity, of their own portfolios. Insurers last year outsourced management of more than $1.1 trillion, according to industry estimates, up from about $980 billion in 2008.
310 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:45:00am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

They do it every year. It the contrarian nature of modern conservatism. If someone wants to conserve energy, they want to waste it. Malkin thinks Obama's childhood obesity campaign is a socialist plot to benefit the unions.
I saw this last night saw this...
Jamie Oliver's Ministry of Food Control

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

They don't want healthy food for kids. It's pretty amazing what they'll oppose just because someone else endorses it.

so i clicked your link, and then a few more through that to an actual story from an actual Londoner...here's a comment on the page from someone in a British school after the menu was "Olivered"

im still at school and i have to say we have hardley any nice meals - all they did was took away the sausages, the spegetti the chips but they never put anything healthy back in - except they have crappy caged chicken meat burgers - broken cakes and its all so overpriced - who would pay 90p for a biscuit? i wouldnt and the lines we have to wait in to get to the food take about 20 minutes on good days - most people push to the front so ur left waitin while people who got there much later then you eat there food - by the time u get there - everythings gone

Are you sure this is opposition just because someone else endorses it? Or maybe this is opposition to a good chef with a terrible ability to implement real ideas to create real results?

Don't be so quick to label others to be quick to label...

311 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:45:08am

re: #302 MandyManners

That'd hurt his feelings.

What?

312 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:45:13am

re: #296 Aceofwhat?

my guess - the population of marines who oppose the repeal are the same guys who ogle women in exactly the manner they fear from a homosexual. they need to grow a real pair of stones.

He said an overwhelming majority of Marines are against it.

313 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:45:50am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've tried to avoid cleaning my fridge, but I can't anymore. See ya'll in a bit.

SHOOT IT.

314 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:46:18am

re: #311 Walter L. Newton

What?

Flipping him the bird would be mean.

315 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:46:28am

re: #311 Walter L. Newton

What?

Petey's a hamster.

316 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:46:49am

re: #314 MandyManners

Flipping him the bird would be mean.

Flipping, I meant to feed that little bird to him, the one that got loose.

317 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:47:22am

re: #315 MandyManners

Petey's a hamster.

I'm confused, didn't you say a bird got out of his cage?

318 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:48:25am

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

where ya going?

Well I was headed to Singapore..But that got delayed a year...
Our Company signed a major Contract with a certain state to build a plant and employ about a 100 people.. I need to build the network and manage it for awhile. It is across the street from a major University.. I'll announce it shortly after the press release...A curve ball.. But an exciting one!
I'll email Charles in the next week or so..Dude..I'm moving to a major College town closer to California (Home)...It's very cool

319 gregb  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:48:38am

Iranian Photoshop Mil Corps get new tools. :-)

[Link: www.vizworld.com...]

320 soap_man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:48:52am

U.S. take if it sells its Citi stake to settle cost of bailout: $8 billion

The Obama administration is making final preparations to sell its stake in the New York bank, according to industry and federal sources. At today's prices, the sale would net more than $8 billion, by far the largest profit returned from any firm that accepted bailout funds, and the transaction would be the second-largest stock sale in history.

321 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:49:17am

NYT stiffs the Boston Globe...pretty funny

"We were astonished to learn that the two of you received more than $10 million in stock awards and options in 2009," the Guild wrote in an open letter urging its members to send to Sulzberger and Robinson. "During the year for which you were so richly rewarded, the 600 members of the Boston Newspaper Guild gave back almost the same amount in pay and benefit reductions -- $10 million to be exact -- after you threatened to close our newspaper, lay off hundreds of people, and strip Massachusetts of its largest newspaper."

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

322 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:50:21am

re: #310 Aceofwhat?

Are you sure this is opposition just because someone else endorses it? Or maybe this is opposition to a good chef with a terrible ability to implement real ideas to create real results?


Yeah, a lot of people are pissed off about the changes. Our relationship with food has been changing over the past few generations and many kids today won't eat unprocessed food. Without the chemicals it just doesn't taste right for them. Fewer people know how to cook for themselves these days and really on prepackaged food which makes them obese and gives the diabetes. It's really pretty sad and it is a national crisis.

323 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:51:13am

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

I'm confused, didn't you say a bird got out of his cage?

Nope. Petey's a furry little bastard.

324 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:52:09am

re: #318 HoosierHoops

Well I was headed to Singapore..But that got delayed a year...
Our Company signed a major Contract with a certain state to build a plant and employ about a 100 people.. I need to build the network and manage it for awhile. It is across the street from a major University.. I'll announce it shortly after the press release...A curve ball.. But an exciting one!
I'll email Charles in the next week or so..Dude..I'm moving to a major College town closer to California (Home)...It's very cool

That's great to hear ... hopefully it's NoCal and not SoCal. You'll kick ass. I like the Sacramento Kings' future. Good young talent.

325 soap_man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:52:21am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Yeah, a lot of people are pissed off about the changes. Our relationship with food has been changing over the past few generations and many kids today won't eat unprocessed food. Without the chemicals it just doesn't taste right for them. Fewer people know how to cook for themselves these days and really on prepackaged food which makes them obese and gives the diabetes. It's really pretty sad and it is a national crisis.

I'm not a vegan, but I admire a friend of mine who is raising her child vegan. The kid is about 2—so who knows if he will keep it up when he starts going to school and can buy food on his own—but she is a damn fine cook and is starting him off on a healthy path.

326 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:52:52am

re: #321 albusteve

NYT stiffs the Boston Globe...pretty funny

Pinched!

327 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:53:22am

re: #305 soap_man

I've been in the military for 16 years and I have absolutely no problem with a member's sexual choices. That being said, I know more than a few in the military who do. While I don't think that there will be large scale upheaval, I do anticipate a few, more than likely isolated, incidents that could significantly impact unit morale. Some of those incidents could have to potential tim impact the military as a whole. Some of that impact could come from members deciding now is the time to flaunt their sexuality because the regs say they can; some will come from those who are homophobic. Only time will tell. I can promise you that at least in my office, I will do what it takes to uphold whatever reg comes down and ensure that all members are treated equally. I didn't join the military to protect your rights only to turn around and stomp on someone else's because I don't like what they do in their bedroom. I hope most feel like I do; I'll do my best to change the minds of those that don't.

re: #307 MandyManners

Mandy, the vast majority of military members are honorable but there is a slice of the military that doesn't care for the core values. I'm worried about those folks. As for the people that decide to leave; as always, that is their choice. My opinion is that they are being petty but again, it's their choice.

328 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:53:22am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Yeah, a lot of people are pissed off about the changes. Our relationship with food has been changing over the past few generations and many kids today won't eat unprocessed food. Without the chemicals it just doesn't taste right for them. Fewer people know how to cook for themselves these days and really on prepackaged food which makes them obese and gives the diabetes. It's really pretty sad and it is a national crisis.

A crisis?

329 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:54:56am

re: #327 Jetpilot1101

the vast majority of military members are honorable but there is a slice of the military that doesn't care for the core values. I'm worried about those folks

Well, maybe they should just leave if they cannot follow orders and not bring disruption to their units.

330 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:55:08am

re: #323 MandyManners

Nope. Petey's a furry little bastard.

I'm not sure why..But everytime I hear this song..It reminds me of you..
Regards
[Link: www.mtv.com...]

331 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:56:08am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

They don't want healthy food for kids. It's pretty amazing what they'll oppose just because someone else endorses it.

Why do they hate our right to be fat?
/

332 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:56:55am

re: #321 albusteve

Steve... I'm going out for a few hours. If you really meant you were going to call, best time to get me would be tomorrow, anytime, all day, will be home all day getting some things ready for passover.

333 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:57:15am

re: #329 MandyManners

Well, maybe they should just leave if they cannot follow orders and not bring disruption to their units.

I couldn't agree more but either they need to do something to get them thrown out or they need to leave on their own. Weeding them out will take time and time is all they need to make the lives of a few a living hell.

334 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:00:06am

the feds are corrupt...as for me, they have no moral ground to tell me what to do...what's up with that slimeball Rangle, Pelosis ninny?....I hate the feds

In 2008 alone, 447 House employees and 231 Senate workers didn’t pay their taxes, according to figures from the IRS, Office of Personnel Management, and Department of Defense. Federal employees in the U.S. House of Representatives owed more than $5.8 million in unpaid taxes in 2008. The Senate employees owe more than $2.46 million, according to figures.

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

335 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:00:14am

My son has an outdoor tennis match and it's about 40 degrees in CT .... time to layer up and go watch him play.

Later Lizards ...

336 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:00:40am

re: #330 HoosierHoops

I'm not sure why..But everytime I hear this song..It reminds me of you..
Regards
[Link: www.mtv.com...]

That's a pretty tune! Thank you!

337 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:01:24am

re: #334 albusteve

The laws are for thee, not me. Old congressional saying.

338 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:01:28am

re: #333 Jetpilot1101

I couldn't agree more but either they need to do something to get them thrown out or they need to leave on their own. Weeding them out will take time and time is all they need to make the lives of a few a living hell.

What if Conway's right and the overwhelming majority of Marines oppose this?

339 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:01:45am

re: #328 MandyManners

A crisis?

the feds will take over the food business sooner or later....they have already intruded into the CA agribusiness with their water controls

340 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:02:11am

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

Steve... I'm going out for a few hours. If you really meant you were going to call, best time to get me would be tomorrow, anytime, all day, will be home all day getting some things ready for passover.

got it

341 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:02:24am

re: #325 soap_man

I'm not a vegan, but I admire a friend of mine who is raising her child vegan. The kid is about 2—so who knows if he will keep it up when he starts going to school and can buy food on his own—but she is a damn fine cook and is starting him off on a healthy path.

I'm not a fan of the vegan/vegetarian thing just because I've seen so many people do it wrong. It can be done right and sounds like your friend is being smart about it.

342 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:02:44am

re: #334 albusteve

the feds are corrupt...as for me, they have no moral ground to tell me what to do...what's up with that slimeball Rangle, Pelosis ninny?...I hate the feds

In 2008 alone, 447 House employees and 231 Senate workers didn’t pay their taxes, according to figures from the IRS, Office of Personnel Management, and Department of Defense. Federal employees in the U.S. House of Representatives owed more than $5.8 million in unpaid taxes in 2008. The Senate employees owe more than $2.46 million, according to figures.

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

*Bleeped* fuckers. One of hte requirements of employment there should be timely payment of taxes. Fucking leeches.

343 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:03:23am

re: #339 albusteve

the feds will take over the food business sooner or later...they have already intruded into the CA agribusiness with their water controls

That's tyranny. It won't happen.

344 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:03:48am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Yeah, a lot of people are pissed off about the changes. Our relationship with food has been changing over the past few generations and many kids today won't eat unprocessed food. Without the chemicals it just doesn't taste right for them. Fewer people know how to cook for themselves these days and really on prepackaged food which makes them obese and gives the diabetes. It's really pretty sad and it is a national crisis.

that kind of overgeneralization is not an excuse for a poorly-implemented, poorly-executed, ham-fisted, expensive mandate.

i'm not saying you endorse such a thing. i'm only saying that being opposed to such a thing is not "random opposition to a good idea just because the supporter is X", which you implied above.

345 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:03:57am

re: #338 MandyManners

What if Conway's right and the overwhelming majority of Marines oppose this?

Then unless those folks can mature and learn to deal with the new regulations, the Marine Corps will have a serious problem. There is only one way to find out and it looks like the President is going to give us that oppurtunity.

346 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:05:08am

re: #345 Jetpilot1101

Then unless those folks can mature and learn to deal with the new regulations, the Marine Corps will have a serious problem. There is only one way to find out and it looks like the President is going to give us that oppurtunity.

That worries the hell out of me.

347 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:05:50am

Why did Harding step out? A former head of the DIA surely has the right stuff to head TSA.

348 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:06:02am

re: #343 MandyManners

That's tyranny. It won't happen.

whoever controls the water, controls the food....study up on the Rio Grande valley...of course the leftbangers will pretend it's not true

349 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:06:46am

re: #342 MandyManners

*Bleeped* fuckers. One of hte requirements of employment there should be timely payment of taxes. Fucking leeches.

It is here in Illinois for state gov't workers. Should DEFINITELY be the same for the feds.
I wonder what the democrat to Republican voting comparisons are for these scofflaws????

350 SteveC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:07:58am

Afternoon, Lizards!

351 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:08:02am

re: #349 Taqyia2Me

It is here in Illinois for state gov't workers. Should DEFINITELY be the same for the feds.
I wonder what the democrat to Republican voting comparisons are for these scofflaws???

the donks that pulled the bill say it's a personal problem....hahaha!....total disconnect

352 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:08:32am

re: #347 MandyManners


Why did Harding step out? A former head of the DIA surely has the right stuff to head TSA.


Not sure. The last TSA nominee bailed too. I guess people just aren't willing to go through the nomination process. It gets too ugly. I think Obama is going to have to start doing recess appointments.

353 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:08:38am

Watch for sharks:

Lawyers Play Speed-Date in Toyota Suit Tussle
At stake are huge fees that only a few lawyers will collect in the suits against Toyota, which were filed after the Japanese company recalled more than eight million vehicles world-wide for reports of sudden acceleration. Lawyers based where the lawsuits are heard will have a good shot at taking the lead position in the cases.

354 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:08:46am

A Chicago cabdriver who authorities say recently talked of bombing a stadium was arrested downtown Friday while on the job and charged with trying to send a few hundred dollars overseas to al-Qaida.

Raja Lahrasib Khan, 56, a Pakistani native who lives in Chicago's Uptown neighborhood, sent a money transfer of about $950 to a contact in Pakistan last November and directed that $300 go to the leader of a Sunni extremist group with ties to al-Qaida, authorities charged.

Then on Tuesday, Khan's son was stopped at O'Hare International Airport before he could board a flight to England. Authorities said he had $700 in cash on him that had been given to his father by an undercover federal agent. Khan planned to meet up with his son in England and then take the $700 himself to Ilyas Kashmiri, the Pakistani terrorist leader with ties to al-Qaida, authorities said. Khan had told the undercover agent the money would be used to buy weapons and possibly other supplies, according to the charges.

Kashmiri was indicted in Chicago earlier this year in a plot to kill a Danish newspaper cartoonist over unflattering drawings of the Prophet Muhammad. Kashmiri remains a fugitive.

SNIP

355 darthstar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:09:07am

re: #315 MandyManners

Petey's a hamster.

Well, that completely shatters my image of your parenting skills.
////

(when you said Petey was out of his cage, I assumed you meant your kid had wondered outside or something)

356 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:09:09am

re: #348 albusteve

whoever controls the water, controls the food...study up on the Rio Grande valley...of course the leftbangers will pretend it's not true

Take it back.

357 Soap_Man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:09:36am

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I'm not a fan of the vegan/vegetarian thing just because I've seen so many people do it wrong. It can be done right and sounds like your friend is being smart about it.

She's a smart woman. She did all the research to ensure her kid is getting all the nutritional value she needs. (Which can be difficult with a vegan diet, especially with protein)

358 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:09:43am

re: #349 Taqyia2Me

It is here in Illinois for state gov't workers. Should DEFINITELY be the same for the feds.
I wonder what the democrat to Republican voting comparisons are for these scofflaws???

I would reckon they vote for the party that employs them.

359 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:10:02am
360 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:10:07am

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Not sure. The last TSA nominee bailed too. I guess people just aren't willing to go through the nomination process. It gets too ugly. I think Obama is going to have to start doing recess appointments.

That worries me.

361 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:11:10am

re: #355 darthstar

Well, that completely shatters my image of your parenting skills.
///

(when you said Petey was out of his cage, I assumed you meant your kid had wondered outside or something)

HAHAHA! The last time I "caged" The Kid was when he was an infant and put him into his play-pen.

362 Ericus58  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:11:44am

Oh what a day ahead!
Greetings and Good Morning all.

So, as of last night I knew that there would be 4 family members joining us for the weekend later today... then the number grew by 1 of the wife's gal pals..... then jumped by 5 (including 2 toddlers)....

Big Problems here.... not enough Wii controllers and batteries... gotta make another beer run to stock up....not enough food made ahead of time, so the wifey is out shopping...

oh the humanity of it all ;)

Actually, we are heading into a very nice day here East of Seattle weather wise - and I love them all dearly. Fun times are headin' ma way!!

363 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:12:19am

re: #358 MandyManners

I would reckon they vote for the party that employs them.

Anybody seen any currency in circulation yet with Timothy Geithner signature as Secretary of the Treasury? I wonder what people will write on them once they hit circulation??

364 Ericus58  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:13:28am

re: #355 darthstar

Well, that completely shatters my image of your parenting skills.
///

(when you said Petey was out of his cage, I assumed you meant your kid had wondered outside or something)

We only worry around here when the rascal gets up on the roof ;)

365 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:13:40am

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Not sure. The last TSA nominee bailed too. I guess people just aren't willing to go through the nomination process. It gets too ugly. I think Obama is going to have to start doing recess appointments.

I don't have a ton of sympathy for him on this front.

For example, not nominating financial 'experts' who can't do their taxes correctly would have solved some earlier issues, IIRC...

366 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:14:18am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

Health Care Spending: U.S. vs. Abroad

Do those totals include R&D spending? I think the U.S. spends more than any other country on pharmaceutical research.

367 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:15:08am

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Not sure. The last TSA nominee bailed too. I guess people just aren't willing to go through the nomination process. It gets too ugly. I think Obama is going to have to start doing recess appointments.

from the article....
Questions arose after his nomination about a contract his company had with the government to provide interrogators in Iraq. After the government ended the contract early, in 2004, Harding Security Associates claimed more money from termination of the contract than the Defense Department's inspector general said it was entitled to get. The firm refunded $1.8 million of that money in a 2008 settlement with the Defense Intelligence Agency.

seems he tried to stiff the feds....haha!...who would do such a thing, and if so, why was he put up for nomination?...is BO vetting these guys?

368 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:15:17am

re: #354 MandyManners

Kashmir.


369 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:15:56am

re: #362 Ericus58

Have fun!

370 SteveC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:15:59am

Just got off the phone with a friend, his heart started doing a Fred Astaire tap dance routine last week and landed him in the hospital. Long story short, he's Ok - doctor told him that so much caffeine wasn't a good thing for him and that he should learn how to say "Dee-Caf!"

371 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:16:29am

re: #363 Taqyia2Me

Anybody seen any currency in circulation yet with Timothy Geithner signature as Secretary of the Treasury? I wonder what people will write on them once they hit circulation??

"Cheater"?

"Turbo-Tax Loooser"?

372 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:17:18am

re: #364 Ericus58

We only worry around here when the rascal gets up on the roof ;)

He's not done that in a while. With a four-storey house, that's very scarey.

373 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:17:57am

re: #365 Aceofwhat?

I don't have a ton of sympathy for him on this front.

For example, not nominating financial 'experts' who can't do their taxes correctly would have solved some earlier issues, IIRC...

Harding's not of that quality. From what I've read and heard about him, he's top-drawer.

374 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:18:28am

re: #371 MandyManners

"Cheater"?

"Turbo-Tax Loooser"?

learned the ropes from Charlie Slimeball Rangle

375 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:18:28am

re: #367 albusteve

Whoa. I missed that.

376 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:18:56am

re: #373 MandyManners

Harding's not of that quality. From what I've read and heard about him, he's top-drawer.

I wouldn't know. I only meant that some of our president's nomination...uhhh..."difficulties"...aren't wholly partisan in nature, IMHO.

377 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:19:18am

re: #374 albusteve

learned the ropes from Charlie Slimeball Rangle

I thought Geithner was from the NY Fed. What's that got to do with Rangle?

378 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:19:28am

re: #374 albusteve

learned the ropes from Charlie Slimeball Rangle

and the "Friends of Angelo" club...

379 Ericus58  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:19:34am

re: #368 MandyManners

Kashmir.

[Video]

Oh good gravy..... why would you put that plaintive wailing into my head Mandy?!

"Ahhhhh ahhhhhhh Ahhhhh ahhhhhhhhh"

*rolls head across the keyboard*

380 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:20:09am

re: #376 Aceofwhat?

I wouldn't know. I only meant that some of our president's nomination...uhhh..."difficulties"...aren't wholly partisan in nature, IMHO.

No. No. No. It's all the GOP's fault.

381 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:20:32am

re: #379 Ericus58

Oh good gravy... why would you put that plaintive wailing into my head Mandy?!

"Ahhh ahhh Ahhh ahhh"

*rolls head across the keyboard*

Fire one up, dude. And, don't bogart.

382 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:20:39am

re: #377 MandyManners

I thought Geithner was from the NY Fed. What's that got to do with Rangle?

it's a conspiracy!

383 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:21:09am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

Health Care Spending: U.S. vs. Abroad

The only thing those graphs show is the US is wealthier than the others. I know this is hard to understand for some but wealthier areas pay higher rates than poorer areas.

I know, I know, we're going to add 30 million people to the insurance rolls but our costs are going to go down. Someone did the math and I'm sure it works out correctly, government spending programs always do.

384 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:21:48am

The blossoms on my pear tree seem to reach right through my window and tickle my cheek.

*twirrrlll*

385 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:21:57am

I'm officially out of my bottle of nyquil and I can no longer feel my nose so I'm taking that as an omen to go lay down for a bit. Enjoy the sunny day.

386 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:22:33am

re: #382 albusteve

it's a conspiracy!

It sure is!

387 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:22:54am

re: #385 RogueOne

I'm officially out of my bottle of nyquil and I can no longer feel my nose so I'm taking that as an omen to go lay down for a bit. Enjoy the sunny day.

I hope the room stops spinning soon!

388 Ericus58  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:23:24am

Time to make some preparations.
A great day to all.

389 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:25:06am

re: #379 Ericus58

Oh good gravy... why would you put that plaintive wailing into my head Mandy?!

"Ahhh ahhh Ahhh ahhh"

*rolls head across the keyboard*

here...this one is smoother....

390 SteveC  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:27:08am

re: #385 RogueOne

I'm officially out of my bottle of nyquil and I can no longer feel my nose so I'm taking that as an omen to go lay down for a bit. Enjoy the sunny day.

Can you still see colors? If not, that will pass in a few hours.

391 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:28:57am

re: #366 jaunte

Do those totals include R&D spending? I think the U.S. spends more than any other country on pharmaceutical research.

No, It looks like it only includes personal spending.

392 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:29:30am
393 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:32:18am

re: #391 Killgore Trout

I wonder why the US outpatient expenditures are so much higher.
This piece has some numbers on healthcare profit margins, and it looks like the big profits are in biotech, drugs, and equipment.

394 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:32:25am

Ooops.

A man killed in a plane crash was incorrectly cremated and the body of the pilot was buried in the first man's place, an Ohio coroner's official said Friday.

The two Indiana men — pilot Arthur Potter, 67, and passenger Frank Granato Jr., 55 — were on board a small plane that crashed in rural Union County on March 5. The red single-engine 2007 Evektor-Aerotechnik SportStar Plus was found in a wooded area about 75 miles northeast of Dayton after the plane failed to make a scheduled refueling stop at the Union County Airport.

The body of Granato, formerly from New Castle, Pa., was sent to Potter's family in Greenwood, Ind., and cremated. Potter's body was sent to New Castle for burial by Granato's family, said Ken Betz, director of the Montgomery County coroner's office in Dayton.

SNIP

395 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:32:35am

re: #393 jaunte

Link:[Link: www.healthbeatblog.com...]

396 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:35:22am

re: #392 MandyManners

I quadruple your mellow.


[Video]

equal mellow, but with excellent punctuation (and i can play this one, which makes it extra special)

397 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:35:50am

re: #365 Aceofwhat?

The vast majority of people are perfectly well-qualified, and it's really weird to me that people castigate people for problems and mistakes on their taxes. Taxes aren't particularly easy, and unless it's an egregious attempt at getting away with something -- which would be pretty damn stupid, since this is exactly the kind of thing that political opponents go after-- I give people the benefit of the doubt.

And judging any appointee based on the quality of other appointees makes very, very little sense. The number of holds has been ridiculous.

398 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:37:05am

re: #393 jaunte

I wonder why the US outpatient expenditures are so much higher.
This piece has some numbers on healthcare profit margins, and it looks like the big profits are in biotech, drugs, and equipment.

there are plenty of reasons related to our system - don't get me wrong - there is a lot that we could do better. but don't start ranking things like cancer survival rates from country to country. specific measurements like that have a nagging way of putting us at the top...

the trick is to lower spending without wrecking the outcomes. beating cancer isn't cheap.

399 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:37:53am

re: #397 Obdicut

The vast majority of people are perfectly well-qualified, and it's really weird to me that people castigate people for problems and mistakes on their taxes. Taxes aren't particularly easy, and unless it's an egregious attempt at getting away with something -- which would be pretty damn stupid, since this is exactly the kind of thing that political opponents go after-- I give people the benefit of the doubt.

And judging any appointee based on the quality of other appointees makes very, very little sense. The number of holds has been ridiculous.

It's weird to you that the Treasury Secretary was castigated for problems and mistakes on his taxes?

I must have a different definition for "weird" floating around in my head...

400 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:38:37am

re: #397 Obdicut

The vast majority of people are perfectly well-qualified, and it's really weird to me that people castigate people for problems and mistakes on their taxes. Taxes aren't particularly easy, and unless it's an egregious attempt at getting away with something -- which would be pretty damn stupid, since this is exactly the kind of thing that political opponents go after-- I give people the benefit of the doubt.

And judging any appointee based on the quality of other appointees makes very, very little sense. The number of holds has been ridiculous.

And it says something about our tax code, too...

401 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:39:31am

re: #395 jaunte

Link:[Link: www.healthbeatblog.com...]

Yeah, I've seen that one before. I suspect it might be a little bit biased. The problem is shared by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Some of the components of the reform bill deal with not only profit margins of the insurance companies but also administrative costs and executive compensation. I suspect that's where a lot of the problem is. Despite the profit margin of the company a lot of the money is siphoned off towards excessive salaries and wasteful administrative practices.

402 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #400 Aceofwhat?
The frakkin' tax code is a mess. But if we scrap it and go to a flat tax, millions of tax attorneys, tax lobbyists, loophole finders, etc...will have to find honest work.

403 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:42:05am

re: #400 Aceofwhat?

Let's go to a 'flat tax' or a national sales tax. That'd take too much power away from Uncle Sam to perform social engineering though.

404 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:42:05am

This is the kind of thing that leads me to believe the healthcare bill ain't all bad....
Republicans Were For Obama's Health Insurance Rule Before They Were Against It

At the time, Romney defended it as "a personal responsibility principle" and Massachusetts' newest GOP senator, Scott Brown, backed it. Romney now says Obama's plan is a federal takeover that bears little resemblance to what he did as governor and should be repealed.
...
Conservatives today say that's unacceptable. Not long ago, many of them saw a national mandate as a free-market route to guarantee coverage for all Americans – the answer to liberal ambitions for a government-run entitlement like Medicare. Most experts agree some kind of requirement is needed in a reformed system because health insurance doesn't work if people can put off joining the risk pool until they get sick.

In the early 1970s, President Richard Nixon favored a mandate that employers provide insurance. In the 1990s, the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, embraced an individual requirement. Not anymore.

"The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea," said health economist Mark Pauly of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. In 1991, he published a paper that explained how a mandate could be combined with tax credits – two ideas that are now part of Obama's law. Pauly's paper was well-received – by the George H.W. Bush administration.

405 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:47:35am

Fuck you, Sean Penn.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday defended the arrest of a major TV channel owner, calling him a criminal and denying the government is carrying out an assault on press freedom.

The back-to-back arrests this week of two government opponents - including the owner of Venezuela's only remaining anti-Chavez TV channel - have drawn accusations that Chavez is growing increasingly intolerant and authoritarian as his popular support has slipped.

Opposition leaders and human rights groups condemned Thursday's arrest of Globovision's owner Guillermo Zuloaga, who was detained at an airport and released hours later after a judge issued an order barring him from leaving the country.

Zuloaga is accused of spreading false information and insulting the president at an Inter American Press Association meeting in Aruba last weekend, Attorney General Luisa Ortega said.

SNIP

406 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:48:12am

re: #405 MandyManners
Sean Penn is an idiot.

407 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:49:02am

re: #402 pingjockey

The frakkin' tax code is a mess. But if we scrap it and go to a flat tax, millions of tax attorneys, tax lobbyists, loophole finders, etc...will have to find honest work.

A joke about hookers is floating around but I ain't gonna' make it.

408 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:49:34am

re: #406 pingjockey

Sean Penn is an idiot.

He'd arrest you for saying that.

409 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:51:01am

re: #406 pingjockey

Sean Penn is an idiot.

Sir or Ma'am,

Your statement is an insult to idiots.

That is all.

410 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:51:12am

re: #408 MandyManners
He could try. Even after chemo/radiation/surgery I could take him out! Why does the left feel such warmth toward socialist/communist dictators?

411 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:51:44am

re: #409 Jetpilot1101
I apologize to all idiots out there.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:52:06am

Since the Catholic clergy sexual abuse scandal exploded in the United States almost a decade ago, advocates have been trying to find a way to learn the role the Vatican played. Now they have gotten further than ever in their efforts to holding the Holy See accountable in a U.S. courtroom.

Two federal appeals courts in recent months have allowed sexual abuse lawsuits against the Vatican to proceed in Oregon and Kentucky. Vatican attorneys have asked the Supreme Court to hear an appeal of the Oregon case. Attorneys for both sides in the Oregon proceeding were in Washington two weeks ago making their arguments before a roomful of U.S. government officials, who could wind up weighing in if the Vatican -- considered a foreign country with immunity to lawsuits -- is found a liable party in an American case.

If the Supreme Court declines to take up the case this summer and lets the federal appeals ruling stand, attorneys could begin subpoenaing decades of documents and calling Vatican officials under oath.

SNIP

413 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:52:29am

re: #410 pingjockey

He could try. Even after chemo/radiation/surgery I could take him out! Why does the left feel such warmth toward socialist/communist dictators?

Birds of a feather!

414 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:54:51am

re: #402 pingjockey

The frakkin' tax code is a mess. But if we scrap it and go to a flat tax, millions of tax attorneys, tax lobbyists, loophole finders, etc...will have to find honest work.

so true...we don't want the unemployment numbers going higher right now...

415 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:55:06am

re: #412 MandyManners
That whole mess just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

416 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:56:31am

re: #410 pingjockey

He could try. Even after chemo/radiation/surgery I could take him out! Why does the left feel such warmth toward socialist/communist dictators?

why does the right feel such warmth towards ___?

our relative extremes all have their favorite brands of crazy...

417 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:56:39am

re: #347 MandyManners

Why did Harding step out? A former head of the DIA surely has the right stuff to head TSA.

Maybe he talked it over with his family and they decided not to go through what everyone else has. I'm sure he knows he'll have to crawl through hell for who knows how long to be confirmed. Maybe he fears being on an episode of Beck with his words taken out of context or maybe he isn't up for having his image being photoshopped on Malkin's site with blood dripping off of him or if he's ever said something remotely civil rightsy... photoshopping him wearing African garb or something. They could not pay me enough to go through that shit in this current atmosphere since I am not a perfect person either.

Good grief, I'm getting a cold, I'm out of coffee and I'm grumpy. :(

418 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:57:01am

As the night follows the day, VAT follows health-care reform.

With the passage of Obamacare, creating a vast new middle-class entitlement, a national sales tax of the kind near-universal in Europe is inevitable.

We are now $8 trillion in debt. The Congressional Budget Office projects that $12 trillion will be added over the next decade. Obamacare, when stripped of its budgetary gimmicks -- the unfunded $200 billion-plus "doctor fix," the double counting of Medicare cuts, the 10-6 sleight-of-hand (counting 10 years of revenue and only six years of outflows) -- is at minimum a $2 trillion new entitlement.

SNIP

Obama knows that the debt bomb is looming, that Moody's is warning that the Treasury's AAA rating is in jeopardy, that we are headed for a run on the dollar and/or hyperinflation if nothing is done.

Hence his deficit-reduction commission. It will report (surprise!) after the November elections.

What will it recommend? What can it recommend? Sure, Social Security can be trimmed by raising the retirement age, introducing means testing and changing the indexing formula from wage growth to price inflation.

But this won't be nearly enough. As Obama has repeatedly insisted, the real money is in health-care costs -- which are locked in place by the new Obamacare mandates.

That's where the value-added tax comes in. For the politician, it has the virtue of expediency: People are used to sales taxes, and this one produces a river of revenue. Every 1 percent of VAT would yield up to $1 trillion a decade (depending on what you exclude -- if you exempt food, for example, the yield would be more like $900 billion).

SNIP

419 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:57:55am

re: #415 pingjockey

That whole mess just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

I wonder what's been happening in Third World nations that don't have our kind of legal system.

420 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:58:45am

re: #417 beekiller

(((beekiller)))

Take some Vitamin C.

421 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:58:46am

re: #410 pingjockey

Why do some on the left feel such warmth toward socialist/communist dictators?

FTFY. Not all of us are like that. Just because Sean Penn is a colossal tool who kisses up to dictators like Chávez doesn't mean that the rest of us automatically agree with him.

For the record, I can't stand either of them. Both Sean Penn and Hugo Chávez can get bent.

422 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:00:03am

re: #412 MandyManners

Disgusting, isn't it? There's no excuse for kids to be abused by ANYONE.

423 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:00:44am

guilty admission: when i want tv noise in the background, i often choose Twilight because i like the music and the lighting is nice and somber.

424 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:01:36am

re: #420 MandyManners

(((beekiller)))

Take some Vitamin C.

My wife said the same thing when she called from work! lol

425 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:01:43am

I'm personally a fan of the APT Tax. I think this is the best solution but will never make it through Congress because they won't be able to pay off their buddies with exemptions under a this proposal.

426 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:01:51am

re: #417 beekiller

don't listen to Mandy. Take zinc, early and often. vitamin C will prevent scurvy, which you don't appear to be in danger of courting...

428 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:03:15am

bbl

429 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:03:29am

re: #416 Aceofwhat?
I personally feel no warmth toward fascists/nazis etc... I should have phrased it better...Why do lefty celebrities and some congress critters feel such solicitude for soc/com dictators. I don't see Gary Sinise coming out in support of Right wing dictators anywhere. I do see Sean Penn and Hollyweird libs saying Hugo and Castro are fine folks.

430 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:05:10am

re: #426 Aceofwhat?

don't listen to Mandy. Take zinc, early and often. vitamin C will prevent scurvy, which you don't appear to be in danger of courting...

How about I listen to you both. ;) I just remembered that I have some Zicam in my car.

431 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:05:46am

re: #422 right_wing2

Disgusting, isn't it? There's no excuse for kids to be abused by ANYONE.

Hell to pay.

432 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:06:05am

re: #421 Lidane
Yup. That's why I said some. It just seems Penn and his ilk get a ton of press for supporting a thug. See my 429. I hope the phraseology worked better.

433 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:06:28am

re: #423 Aceofwhat?

guilty admission: when i want tv noise in the background, i often choose Twilight because i like the music and the lighting is nice and somber.

I like the local weather channel. Nothing but bouncy music!

434 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:06:47am

re: #424 beekiller

My wife said the same thing when she called from work! lol

Zicam is good, too.

435 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:07:53am

re: #426 Aceofwhat?

don't listen to Mandy. Take zinc, early and often. vitamin C will prevent scurvy, which you don't appear to be in danger of courting...

ttthhhpppttt

436 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:09:02am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

Let them gather, it's their right and they'll be plenty of cops to keep the peace. Harry Reid seems confident he'll prevail in November so this shouldn't hurt.

As for the Koz Kiddies; whatever. Some of them were just as bad as the Tea Partiers during the Bush years so I don't trust either side.

Extremism in any form is bad and applies to both left and right.

437 Four More Tears  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:09:24am

re: #427 Killgore Trout


Koskidz coverage: The Teabagger Clown Show in the Desert

That makes me picture Burning Man with Colonial costumes.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:09:27am

I'm one of those lucky cusses. One benedril pill (little bitty pink one) shuts my allergies down for 24 hours.

Really responsive to medications.

Wonder if has anything to do with lifestyle...

(ahem)

439 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:09:32am

Don't forget the chicken soup.

440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:10:24am

re: #436 Jetpilot1101

Extremism in any form is bad and applies to both left and right.

yup

441 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:11:19am

re: #427 Killgore Trout
Got into an argument with my dad over the Tea Party folks. I said whoever is running that mess needs to sit down and have a Listen Here You Idiots meeting. There are legitimate protestors being outshouted, drowned out, etc. By extremeists that have no business in this protest. Yah I know a pipe dream to get the crazy out but I can wish. Dad is 75 and doing the census and I think the number of multigenerational welfare families he's seen has really upset him.

442 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:12:26am

re: #432 pingjockey

Yup. That's why I said some. It just seems Penn and his ilk get a ton of press for supporting a thug. See my 429. I hope the phraseology worked better.

The phraseology is fine. I just wanted to insult both Penn and Chávez. ;)

I think of it as the Sheehan syndrome, myself. Some people just paint themselves into such a rhetorical corner that they feel the need to side with anyone who would agree with them to prove they're right, even if that person is a dictator.

443 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:14:28am

re: #442 Lidane

Speaking of Sheehan, where is that old bird? The wars haven't ended so why have her protests stopped? Shouldn't she be camped in some ditch in Chicago by now begging for an audience with President Obama? What gives?

444 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:15:40am

re: #443 Jetpilot1101

I think she was just arrested a few days ago for her antics against Obama. As much as I think she's a fool, at least she's not limiting herself to doing it just against Bush.

445 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:18:25am

re: #442 Lidane
I'll agree with that! Insulting some folks is good for the cardio system!

446 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:19:05am

re: #444 right_wing2

I think she was just arrested a few days ago for her antics against Obama. As much as I think she's a fool, at least she's not limiting herself to doing it just against Bush.

Hey I agree with you and if she is still protesting, then at least she has my respect for continuing her campaign regardless of who was is in office. Shows she is not the partisan hack a lot of people took her for. Shame on the MSM for refusing to cover her like they did during the Bush years. I guess she served her purpose and they can kick her to the curb.

447 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:19:15am

re: #443 Jetpilot1101

Speaking of Sheehan, where is that old bird? The wars haven't ended so why have her protests stopped? Shouldn't she be camped in some ditch in Chicago by now begging for an audience with President Obama? What gives?

You might want to look here, among a buncha' Jew-hating basards.

448 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:19:24am

Damn, the sun is out and it's still bloody cold out. Want to do a little yard work.

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:19:48am

re: #441 pingjockey

Multi-generation welfare families are very sad to see.

In my job (just left one about 20 minutes ago) I see plenty.

450 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:20:14am

re: #443 Jetpilot1101

Speaking of Sheehan, where is that old bird? The wars haven't ended so why have her protests stopped? Shouldn't she be camped in some ditch in Chicago by now begging for an audience with President Obama? What gives?

I think she was last spotted in Venezuela trying to get Chavez to invade the US and stop the war

451 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:21:39am

re: #443 Jetpilot1101

Speaking of Sheehan, where is that old bird? The wars haven't ended so why have her protests stopped? Shouldn't she be camped in some ditch in Chicago by now begging for an audience with President Obama? What gives?

Google News tells me that she was in DC recently camped out on the National Mall and going after Obama and the Democrats now.

She can camp out in DC for the next ten years for all I care. I sympathized with her at first, but by the time she was kissing up to Chávez, I was over her and the rest of the anti-war movement.

452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:21:40am

re: #450 Conservative Moonbat

I think she was last spotted in Venezuela trying to get Chavez to invade the US and stop the war

Now there's something to wish for.

It's called the "Wish form of diplomacy"...

"I just fuckin' wish they'd look like they wanted to attack us."

453 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:22:44am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'll never forget, this has been years ago. I was home on leave and my mom came home from the local HS and was in tears. Seems she overheard two boys and their plans for after high school. Go to work for 6 mos. go on unemployment, get their girlfriends pregnant and on welfare then they could go hunting and fishing all the time like their dads! Yup, the nanny state is a wonderful thing.

454 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:22:59am

Looking at the Tea Party crowd makes me wonder. Looks like they have maybe 1,000 people or so. About the same size crowd that showed up to the last one in DC. I wonder how they got all those people out in the middle of nowhere. They probably bused them in from somewhere.

455 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:24:02am

re: #441 pingjockey

Yeah, the whole tea party thing is really counterproductive and there's no way to clean it up.

456 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:24:39am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

Looking at the Tea Party crowd makes me wonder. Looks like they have maybe 1,000 people or so. About the same size crowd that showed up to the last one in DC. I wonder how they got all those people out in the middle of nowhere. They probably bused them in from somewhere.

I just clearly heard the guy on fox say "at least 10,000."

It's going to be just like Burning Man, only without the drugs and nekkid people.

457 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:25:31am

re: #454 Killgore Trout
Well crap. Now I have to go look at your links. :) We had a tea party(?) thing out here in eastern WA. No kooks, lotsa farmers, loggers, etc. concerned about taxes. Not one foolish, idiotic sign to be seen. Thank God for small favors.

458 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:26:07am

re: #456 Conservative Moonbat
Where's the fun in that?

459 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:28:58am

Got FNC on, who'd a thunk it, Syria is the soap opera capitol of the arab world.

460 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:29:20am

re: #450 Conservative Moonbat

I think she was last spotted in Venezuela trying to get Chavez to invade the US and stop the war

Another anti-Semitic asshole.

Check out his minister of justice.

461 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:29:34am

re: #456 Conservative Moonbat

I just clearly heard the guy on fox say "at least 10,000."

It's going to be just like Burning Man, only without the drugs and nekkid people.

10,000 or 10,000,000 doesn't really matter right now. What matters is who shows up in November. The number people who can't make it to these protests but sympathize with the TP and may vote against the Democrats in the fall will either be the rise or the fall of the movement. As for me, I'm voting against every incumbent, R or D. All I really want is fresh blood in DC so if you currently hold public office, you lost my vote.

462 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:31:11am

Rafi Mohammed: Why High Profit Margins Don't Prove Smart Pricing

Since we'll be needing more tax revenue soon, I hope a lot of people read his book and apply it to the pricing of government.

463 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:31:31am

I'm watching Animal Cops on Animal Planet. Some folks need a thorough ass-kicking.

464 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:31:35am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

Koskidz coverage: The Teabagger Clown Show in the Desert

If those photos are from today, then the guy who is carrying the "We came unarmed [this time]" sign is a professional activist, since he was also photographed in Washington D.C. here:

Image: 912-TeaParty-DC-We-came-unarmed-this-time.jpg

Unless those are older photos meant to make a point.

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:31:54am

re: #461 Jetpilot1101

"My guy's not so bad" is the main problem.

466 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:31:55am

re: #461 Jetpilot1101
Former NFL star Clint Didier is running against Patty Murray here in WA state.

467 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:32:02am

re: #463 MandyManners

I'm watching Animal Cops on Animal Planet. Some folks need a thorough ass-kicking.

I can't watch that show. Makes me too angry.

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:32:35am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

Just furious.

469 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:33:12am

re: #463 MandyManners

I actually can't watch that show, or 'Rescue Ink' or anything like that. It pisses me off too much. My wife & I have a houseful of spoiled cats, plus feed some neighborhood strays.

470 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:33:25am

re: #463 MandyManners
Me and the better half both figure we couldn't be animal cops because some of the assholes on that show, we'd go all medieval on their asses.

471 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:33:41am

re: #464 Lidane

I think the pic of him in the Dkos diary is from a different rally. That tree in the background definitely isn't growing in Nevada.

472 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:33:45am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

I can't watch that show. Makes me too angry.

Yeah, same here. I can't watch it either.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:33:59am

re: #469 right_wing2

I can't even watch that commercial with Sarah McLaughlin singing in the background.

474 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:34:55am

re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me either.

Children & animals. The ultimate in innocence.

475 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:36:31am

If any y'all are in the Wenatchee, WA area, look out! My 16 yr old is off to take his drivers test!

476 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:37:32am
477 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:37:50am

Good Lord, the decapitated head of the Nogales Mexico Police Chief was found in his truck. The drug cartels are out of control.

478 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:38:15am

re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My rep, Kendrick Meek, is the problem so out he goes.

re: #466 pingjockey

I'd vote for Clint if I could but that would be illegal. Unless of course I follow the advice of Ed Schultz who told me I could vote multiple times to drive the bastards out. He also told me I could rip out Cheney's heart and use it as a political football. Got to love those hosts over at MSNBC, always full of sage advice and tolerance.

479 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:38:32am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

I can't watch that show. Makes me too angry.

I cracked up at the cop who wanted to lock the dogs' owner up in the back of his van in 90-degree weather with no food or water.

480 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:39:21am

re: #478 Jetpilot1101
IMO, Ed Schultz iq = his shoe size.

481 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:39:48am

re: #479 MandyManners
That's a wonderful idea.

482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:40:46am

re: #474 right_wing2

Children & animals. The ultimate in innocence.


With the exception of the most dangerous animal (other than man).

Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see.
-Jack Handy

483 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:40:56am

re: #469 right_wing2

I actually can't watch that show, or 'Rescue Ink' or anything like that. It pisses me off too much. My wife & I have a houseful of spoiled cats, plus feed some neighborhood strays.

When I lived in the mountains when I was a kid, my house was the drop-off point for people who didn't want their dogs. We'd get them to the vet, fatten them up and then give them away. I vetted each person closely and pissed off quite a few who didn't meet my standards.

484 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:41:03am

re: #478 Jetpilot1101

Screw Ed Schultz. He irritates me.

Rachel Maddow, on the other hand, is awesome. She actually does her research, and is willing to give people she disagrees with a platform on her show.

485 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:41:11am

Pantaloons!

486 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:41:22am

re: #470 pingjockey

Me and the better half both figure we couldn't be animal cops because some of the assholes on that show, we'd go all medieval on their asses.

See No. 479.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:41:41am

re: #477 pingjockey

Good Lord, the decapitated head of the Nogales Mexico Police Chief was found in his truck. The drug cartels are out of in control.

For accuracy...

488 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:41:49am

re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can't even watch that commercial with Sarah McLaughlin singing in the background.

Oh, I tear up just thinking about it.

489 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:42:38am

re: #476 wlewisiii

Sounds like it's time for the General to turn in his retirement papers.

William

Did you read the article?

490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:42:43am

re: #488 MandyManners

I'd link it... but... NOPE!

491 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:42:45am

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yah.

492 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:43:04am

re: #483 MandyManners

Good for you!

My wife won't let me volunteer at the animal shelter because she knows I'd end up bring home any kitten or puppy, any cat or dog that they were about to 'put down' because they weren't adopted in time, or because the kitten had come in sick & they can't spend the $ to get him healthy. Thank God the new shelter here is 'low kill' and they're working to make it as 'no kill' as possible.

493 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:43:17am

re: #486 MandyManners
See my 481!

494 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:43:44am

re: #477 pingjockey

Good Lord, the decapitated head of the Nogales Mexico Police Chief was found in his truck. The drug cartels are out of control.

[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

495 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:44:53am

re: #492 right_wing2
We just had a lady here who passed and her estate left over a million dollars to the local humane society. It was very cool. We try to drop off food once a month or so.

496 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:45:06am

re: #492 right_wing2

Good for you!

My wife won't let me volunteer at the animal shelter because she knows I'd end up bring home any kitten or puppy, any cat or dog that they were about to 'put down' because they weren't adopted in time, or because the kitten had come in sick & they can't spend the $ to get him healthy. Thank God the new shelter here is 'low kill' and they're working to make it as 'no kill' as possible.

I don't talk about what I do with my charity budget but, yeah.

497 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:45:28am

re: #495 pingjockey

We just had a lady here who passed and her estate left over a million dollars to the local humane society. It was very cool. We try to drop off food once a month or so.

*smooch*

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:45:37am

re: #492 right_wing2

Heh. Google "PETA kills animals"...

499 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:46:12am

IIRC, California's contemplating a register of animal abusers.

500 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:46:20am

re: #495 pingjockey

Very awesome!

Of our cats, 2 were the kittens of strays (both strays have been spayed), 2 were strays themselves, and 1 was a humane society boy.

501 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:46:37am

Butchering the national anthem.

502 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:47:39am

re: #494 jaunte
That's it. I really feel for the cops/army down there. You don't know who's been corrupted by all that money.
Oh shit! Patty Murray just ran an ad about the HCR act, Did you know we all now get the same health care as congress?! BULLSHIT!

503 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:49:00am

re: #338 MandyManners

What if Conway's right and the overwhelming majority of Marines oppose this?

Then perhaps they need to ETS and be replaced with better troopers if they are unable to live with obeying lawful orders.

William

504 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:49:03am

Now the animal cops are out to find a large lizard who's terrorizing a community in Florida.

Anyone seen CCA lately?

505 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:49:35am

re: #500 right_wing2
We lost our golden retiever last year, tumors. So of course no dog lasted about 2 weeks, then the better half and the kids went to the pound and now we have Indiana. Shar Pei and Lab cross.

506 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:49:50am

re: #503 wlewisiii

Then perhaps they need to ETS and be replaced with better troopers if they are unable to live with obeying lawful orders.

William

That would take a while. I hope it wouldn't gut our forces.

507 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:50:20am

re: #501 Killgore Trout
Are you watching the stream?

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:51:13am

re: #507 pingjockey

Are you watching the stream?

on purpose?

509 right_wing2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:51:29am

re: #505 pingjockey

So sorry to hear about your golden. What wonderful dogs. My wife had one (and a Shepherd/Rottie/Chow) mix before we met.

I lost one of my cats a couple years ago. Had him 18 years.

510 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:51:55am

re: #503 wlewisiii
Remember, we have an all volunteer force and I've seen the troops vote with their feet...Bill Clinton. I didn't leave, I had too much time invested.

511 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:52:07am

re: #507 pingjockey

There's a livestream from fox. The chick speaking now is from a group called "Anger is Brewing".

512 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:53:06am

re: #509 right_wing2
Humans must be gluttons for punishment. A pet becomes a member of the family, then it passes and breaks your heart and we go and do it all over.

513 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:53:32am

US police charged a Pennsylvania man with public drunkenness after he was seen trying to resuscitate a long-dead opossum along a highway.

State police Trooper Jamie Levier said several witnesses saw 55-year-old Donald Wolfe near the animal along a highway about 105km northeast of Pittsburgh.

SNIP

514 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:53:32am

re: #196 negativ

Philip Glass & Ravi Shankar - Ragas in Minor Scale


[Video]

From "Passages", which is one of the greatest albums ever.

Along with Glass's "Einstein on the Beach" - which is in a class of excellence all by itself.

515 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:53:55am

re: #511 Killgore Trout
My 'puter is nottaking the feed well at all. Herky Jerky, bad audio, etc.

516 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:53:59am

Fox is pushing the meme that there's no encouragement of violence coming from the right wing. Pushing it hard.

This is an unvarnished lie, and they know it.

517 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:56:54am

re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. Google "PETA kills animals"...

...and found this story. It's hard to tell which side of the deal is creepier.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

518 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:57:32am

Colin Furze, a plumber who adapted his scooter to shoot 15ft flames from the rear, has been arrested for an alleged firearms offence.

Mr Furze, 30, displayed his modified his scooter, with an anti-tailgating flame thrower operated by the flick of switch, in the press earlier this week.

But Lincolnshire Police spotted the pictures of Mr Furze allegedly riding his scooter on a public highway – and arrested him on Thursday.

SNIP

Speaking before his arrest, he said: ''Everybody wants a flame thrower on a motor bike.


SNIP

519 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:57:39am

re: #510 pingjockey

Remember, we have an all volunteer force and I've seen the troops vote with their feet...Bill Clinton. I didn't leave, I had too much time invested.

I know. I got out of the Army at 16 years during that draw down. We didn't get a certain number of reups in the late 40's either after Truman integrated the military. The commander gives an order - a troop can either obey or leave.

William

520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #517 jaunte

I thought her fifteen minutes were up...

521 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:59:02am

re: #502 pingjockey

That's it. I really feel for the cops/army down there. You don't know who's been corrupted by all that money.

What makes it even worse is the wars that are between the cartels, and not just against law enforcement. Los Zetas, for example, started as the armed wing of the Gulf Cartel, but now they're enemies fighting for territory. The whole Mexican drug war is a massive clusterfuck.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:59:41am

Just found out that a friend died last night.

Cancer sucks.

See y'all later.

523 ryannon  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 10:59:45am

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

you guys are harshing my buzz. Afghan Star is on HBO in the background - first time i've watched this movie. Never wanted to hug a bunch of random tribespeople so much in my life. what a great documentary.

Is that by Christophe de Ponfilly?

If so, you ought to see "Massoud the Afghan"

524 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:01:54am

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry to hear that.

525 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:02:02am

re: #519 wlewisiii
Yep. I don't know the legal stuff that has to be changed. They will have to overhaul the UCMJ, sodomy is illegal.

526 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:02:59am

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Damn. Thoughts and prayers to you and the family.

527 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:03:00am

re: #516 Charles

Fox is pushing the meme that there's no encouragement of violence coming from the right wing. Pushing it hard.

This is an unvarnished lie, and they know it.

If you look at Think Progress today, they have a video posted of GOP officials saying some really scary stuff.

528 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:03:22am

re: #516 Charles

Fox is pushing the meme that there's no encouragement of violence coming from the right wing. Pushing it hard.

This is an unvarnished lie, and they know it.

Yep. And that voice of moral integrity, Newt Gingrich, is demanding that the Democrats apologize and take responsibility for bringing all those death threats and all that anger on themselves:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

529 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:03:36am

re: #516 Charles

Palin was also criticized for inciting violence for writing this on Twitter: "Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: 'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'"

Just some peaceful military and firearms analogies, that's all...
/!/

530 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:03:54am

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ouch. Sorry to hear that.

Take care and be well.

531 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:04:41am

re: #516 Charles

Fox is pushing the meme that there's no encouragement of violence coming from the right wing. Pushing it hard.

This is an unvarnished lie, and they know it.

Sounds like you are home Charles...Those were some pretty cool comics you posted on last week..I like collecting stuff also..
Hope today finds you well

532 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:04:44am

re: #488 MandyManners

Oh, I tear up just thinking about it.

I have to turn the channel when that commercial comes on because I don't like to cry. :D

533 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:05:35am
534 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:05:53am

re: #504 MandyManners

Now the animal cops are out to find a large lizard who's terrorizing a community in Florida.

Anyone seen CCA lately?

Hey!!! I went to the store for some grub!!

535 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:06:47am

Does anyone else have a friend who sends you totally random, insane text messages daily?

YOU SMELL LIKE ANTI-FREEZE!

Your ability to deliver hilarity can only be compared through size or volume to that of your balls which like all badasses, must be ginormous.

WE MUST BAND TOGETHER AGAINST SCIENTOLOGY!

YOU FUCKING WIN AT LIFE DUDE!

You don't talk to me enough and your wife is hotter than you.

536 keloyd  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:06:48am

Jamie Oliver is a self righteous attention whore, even if he is right about school lunches. What kind of grown adult man blubbers like that on television? Where's his pride or dignity?

The local news did a thing on healthy school lunches, and they were charging $6 apiece. I can eat healthy at home for two days on $6. That covers a pile of potatoes, beans, rice, peanut butter for sammiches, a half pound of meat, assorted apples, carrots, and the occasional orange.

In 7 cases out of 10, "healthy" means "pretentious and no more good for you." When the busybody activists outlaw the wrong frying oils to help the poor people who eat fast food, where is the legislation requiring Ruth's Kris or Three Forks (or wherever is your local nice steak place) to never serve more than 6 oz of meat per meal? Why does Whole Foods food cost One.Million.Dollars? Why is its parking lot full of fashionable 'green' Lexus SUV's that get 20 mpg while these shoppers' maids drive 30 mpg 1992 Corollas?

Bad as school food is, I don't want the federal government, self righteous 'concerned citizens' and attention whores to solve my problems.

537 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:07:27am

re: #533 MikeySDCA
Even if the Israelis had froze the settlements, it still wouldn't have been enough. Nothing the Israelis do is ever enough for those folks.

538 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:07:46am

re: #536 keloyd

James Oliver has done credible, good work and increased the actual nutritional value that kids are getting.

I'm not sure why you think the federal government shouldn't get involved in the federal school lunch program, either.

539 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:07:54am

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just found out that a friend died last night.

Cancer sucks.

See y'all later.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Take care.

540 zora  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:10:06am

re: #536 keloyd

that's because you don't eat school lunches as you have said. there are people who care about healthy options for children at school. oh, and ketchup is not a vegetable.

541 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:10:19am

re: #538 Obdicut
My 4th graders lunch costs 2.05 and the menu is damn good. Maybe because it's a small school district? We have 8 grade schools, 2 middle schools, one Jr. High and one HS. They seem to do a damn fine job.

542 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:10:29am

re: #535 beekiller

Does anyone else have a friend who sends you totally random, insane text messages daily?

No, but I have friends who send me links to random internet things all damned day. For example, this just hit my inbox:

Spongebob on Drugs

543 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:10:46am

re: #535 beekiller

Does anyone else have a friend who sends you totally random, insane text messages daily?

YOU SMELL LIKE ANTI-FREEZE!

Your ability to deliver hilarity can only be compared through size or volume to that of your balls which like all badasses, must be ginormous.

WE MUST BAND TOGETHER AGAINST SCIENTOLOGY!

YOU FUCKING WIN AT LIFE DUDE!

You don't talk to me enough and your wife is hotter than you.

Tell him to put down the bong.

544 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:11:44am

re: #542 Lidane
I must not have enough "friends" to send me goofy shit. OTOH my dads sister sends him all kinds of mad stuff. :)

545 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:12:29am

Dunno if this was mentioned the other day-- epic fail from CNN's newest hire:

Let's Punish Bart Stupak By Sending Him Money!

We can’t Bart Stupak go without a parting gift. Judas, after all, got 30 silver coins to sell out our Lord. Stupak needs something for selling out all the children sent off to be slaughtered thanks to his “compromise” that any President can pen away to oblivion — notwithstanding the questionable legal assumptions behind it.

Let’s send him 100 silver coins. It’s only a $4.00 investment on your part.

(Headline perhaps amended for purposes of snark)

546 keloyd  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:13:29am

re: #538 Obdicut

I respect the work he's doing, I just really can't stand to watch him on TV. He's worse than that other one with the dirty mouth. School lunches also is one of those things where state and local government can handle it sometimes well, sometimes poorly, but as soon as it's a federal issue, that costs big money and all the pundits smell blood in the water.

The federal lunch program funding is one thing. The feds getting involved in the food itself - that's Carterian micromanagement. The one exception is the surplus food the government has on its hands as a result of their ridiculous system of subsidies and price controls - if they can dump that on schools below cost, and it's healthy, maybe that gets the KELoyd stamp of approval.

547 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:13:30am

re: #537 pingjockey

Even if the Israelis had froze the settlements, it still wouldn't have been enough. Nothing the Israelis do is ever enough for those folks.

Short of suicide.

548 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:14:08am

re: #547 MandyManners
Yep. New thread!

549 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:14:16am

re: #543 MandyManners

Tell him to put down the bong.

lol He rarely even drinks. He's just a nut with too much time on his hands.

550 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:14:53am

re: #549 beekiller

lol He rarely even drinks. He's just a nut with too much time on his hands.

Tell him to procreate. That'll take up plenty of time.

551 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:15:08am

re: #550 MandyManners

Tell him to procreate. That'll take up plenty of time.

The result, that is.

552 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:15:39am

re: #544 pingjockey

I must not have enough "friends" to send me goofy shit. OTOH my dads sister sends him all kinds of mad stuff. :)

I have this 92 year old crazy uncle in North Dakota that sends me stuff every day.. Especially those 'send this to another people for your prayer to be answered'..I can't say anything to him...or get off his Dlist...It will be my luck he lives to a 120..*wink*

553 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:16:12am

re: #546 keloyd

The federal lunch program funding is one thing. The feds getting involved in the food itself - that's Carterian micromanagement. T

Oh good grief. So they should pay for it but have no say about what it is.

That's just foolish. There is no reason why broad federal standards can't help. You don't want to stifle variation, but some nutritional basics are, well, basic.

554 keloyd  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:16:29am

re: #540 zora

that's because you don't eat school lunches as you have said. there are people who care about healthy options for children at school. oh, and ketchup is not a vegetable.

No, but ketchup=vegetable is an urban myth. I ate crap lunches at school; my parents ate crap lunches at school. A pbj and an apple costs 40 cents.

555 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:18:00am

re: #545 iceweasel

I'll email you my Cell number today...
Look forward to chatting with you and Jimmah on a lazy Sunday afternoon...
It's too cold to golf this weekend...Bummed out

556 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:18:38am

re: #552 HoosierHoops
Ain't relatives grand!?

557 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:19:20am

re: #544 pingjockey

I must not have enough "friends" to send me goofy shit. OTOH my dads sister sends him all kinds of mad stuff. :)

I get the goofy shit from my Facebook and LiveJournal friends. Some if it is funny, some isn't, but it all makes the day go by faster. Hehe.

My relatives, on the other hand, grace me with religious chain letters and all sorts of e-mail scares, which forces me to go over to Snopes.com so I can debunk whatever it is and send out corrections.

558 keloyd  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:20:05am

re: #553 Obdicut

the federal government should have no role in k-12 education in the first place. That's state and local stuff. It's the feds grabbing power where and when they can, like the little napoleons on everyone's HOA board.

559 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:21:29am

re: #557 Lidane
My better half has a facebook page. Then again she coaches the HS flag/drill team, so all the "girls", my wife included have to get on and chat. I think she likes it. We have 3 boys and she doesn't get to do much girl talk. :)

560 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:23:37am

re: #556 pingjockey

Ain't relatives grand!?

LOL Isn't that the truth.. I was adopted when I was 12...During the court date with the Judge asking me if I wanted to be adopted...Yes you sit in a courtroom in front of a judge..Weird if you ask me..
But nobody said anything about crazy uncles and aunts..
*wink*

561 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:25:55am

re: #559 pingjockey

Facebook has been great for me. I've gotten the chance to catch up with some of my oldest friends from high school, who I haven't seen in almost 20 years. Plus, I have some of my cousins on there and can keep up with family.

I like it. It's a damn sight better than Twitter, which I have but almost never use.

562 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:27:30am

re: #560 HoosierHoops
Heh. When I got married, my wife had two boys, package deal. I adopted them 11 years ago and the judge had been adopted and his little speech to the boys had everybody in tears.

563 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:28:05am

re: #561 Lidane
Don't know diddly about twitter!

564 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:28:47am

re: #562 pingjockey

Heh. When I got married, my wife had two boys, package deal. I adopted them 11 years ago and the judge had been adopted and his little speech to the boys had everybody in tears.

You are a good man ping...
Thanks for that

565 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:29:39am

re: #563 pingjockey

You're not missing anything, believe me.

566 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:30:33am

re: #564 HoosierHoops
Nah. I'm a mean 'ol bear. :) Of course we had one of our own and it was another boy! My poor mom, not one granddaughter.

567 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:31:01am

re: #565 Lidane
I believe you!

568 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:31:30am

re: #558 keloyd

the federal government should have no role in k-12 education in the first place. That's state and local stuff. It's the feds grabbing power where and when they can, like the little napoleons on everyone's HOA board.

Um, the HOA are an incredibly local power-grab, so when talking about overweening federal power, they actually work against your point.

569 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:32:32am

re: #536 keloyd


In 7 cases out of 10, "healthy" means "pretentious and no more good for you."

I am sure that statistic is very scientific. Not.

Childhood (and adult) obesity is really bad and leading to an epidemic of diabetes. Shoot the messengers if you like, but this is a major public health issue.

570 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:40:53am

re: #566 pingjockey

Nah. I'm a mean 'ol bear. :) Of course we had one of our own and it was another boy! My poor mom, not one granddaughter.

LOL
I said you were a good man...Not mean 'ol bear..
We raised 3 boys.. Many times I send them crying to mama into the house from playing Basketball...
Jordan became a Marine in the 3/5 and if you were in Fallujah during that deployment and fucked with the Marines..There was 100% chance you were going to die....
I sent of pic to Sharm once of Jordan standing in the Garage next to the boxing bag with his shirt off...
I got me some tough boys that show no mercy to pops on the court...I never drive the lane nor block them..They show no mercy.. I still am a better shooter than them..

571 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:43:17am

re: #570 HoosierHoops
I can't keep up with the 16 yr old any more! On a good day I'm 5'8" he's now 6'3"!

573 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:16:52pm

re: #443 Jetpilot1101

Speaking of Sheehan, where is that old bird? The wars haven't ended so why have her protests stopped? Shouldn't she be camped in some ditch in Chicago by now begging for an audience with President Obama? What gives?

Google her. She was out in front of the White House last weekend.

574 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:21:30pm

re: #541 pingjockey

My 4th graders lunch costs 2.05 and the menu is damn good. Maybe because it's a small school district? We have 8 grade schools, 2 middle schools, one Jr. High and one HS. They seem to do a damn fine job.

Some districts are great. Some SCHOOLS are great. Some are...OH GOOD LORD.

575 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:23:54pm

re: #562 pingjockey

Heh. When I got married, my wife had two boys, package deal. I adopted them 11 years ago and the judge had been adopted and his little speech to the boys had everybody in tears.

When my SIL married her husband about ten years ago, she had a four-year-old from her first marriage. The last Christmas that she and the little one were at home, and he was across the country, he send piles of presents 'from Daddy', and his parents sent packages 'from Grandpa and Grandpa', with pictures of themselves.

Have I mentioned that I LOVE these folks?


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