Stupid Politician Tricks

A lot of people seem to believe that because I parted ways with the GOP and the right wing, that automatically makes me a left winger or a Democrat now.

So here’s an article that shows why I concluded long ago that both parties are full of opportunistic weasels: RNC rejects joint ‘civility’ statement.

It’s an unquestionable fact that the level of violent and extremist rhetoric is out of control on the right wing, and that key members of the GOP are pandering to the extremists and refusing to unequivocally reject them.

But the DNC’s proposal for the GOP to sign a “civility statement” is a pointless exercise with the sole purpose of getting a political edge on the GOP. The political calculus is simple: whether or not the GOP signs the statement, it will be used against them. If they sign, it’s an acknowledgement that they’ve been uncivil. (Which they have.) If they don’t sign, the Dems will say they refuse to denounce extremism. So, since there’s no political benefit either way, it makes no sense to sign it.

Bleh.

The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement, POLITICO has learned.

Various members of the DNC — including Chairman Tim Kaine, Executive Director Jen O’Malley Dillon and Communications Director Brad Woodhouse — contacted their respective RNC counterparts this week in hopes of getting RNC Chairman Michael Steele to co-sign a document with Kaine that, in part, called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”

“We also call on all Americans to respect differences of opinion, to refrain from inappropriate forms of intimidation, to reject violence and vandalism, and to scale back rhetoric that might reasonably be misinterpreted by those prone to such behavior,” read the proposed joint statement, which came at the end of a week which saw acts of vandalism and threats of violence directed at members of Congress from both parties, but mostly aimed at Democrats who voted “yes” on the health care bill.

Republicans see the statement as an attempt to force them to either reject the statement — allowing Democrats to say the RNC finds the incidents acceptable — or to sign on to something that the DNC would later wield against them.

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656 comments

1 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:14:24am

A pox on both their houses.

2 boyo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:14:56am

2 cheeks of the same backside

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:15:48am

My goodness, the attack ads for November are already running through my brain.

4 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:16:16am

Civility stinks!
/

5 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:17:09am

Check out the Modern Whig Party as an alternative.

Centrist, and deliberately trying to avoid extremes.

6 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:17:45am

The RNC needs to, on it's own come out and jump on the extremeists without the DNC. I would also like my Harley back, but that ain't happening either. IMO, the upper echelon of the Tea Party and the RNC think these fools are their base, not folks like me.

7 The Left  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:18:08am

The political blogopshere did something similar (and likewise full of fail) a few years ago-- IIRC the big proponents of the 'civility petition' were Josh Trevino and Jeff Goldstein. Lib bloggers also refused more or less en masse to sign it, since the main purpose of the petition was to 1) complain when people didn't sign it and 2) faux-outrage when a lib blogger used a dirty word like 'douchebag'.

Not, for example, for Jeff Goldstein to stop making threats of physical violence, or to keep his rabid commentators from threatening other bloggers.

8 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:25:46am

re: #7 iceweasel
I must be blog challenged. I have no idea of who those guys are. As far as civility, it gets heated here but by God physical threats are right out. The internet is the greatest tool for free speech ever, IMO. But advocating violence is the surest way to get me to quit reading someones blog.

9 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:26:19am

A pox on both their houses. Also senates

10 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:26:54am

re: #7 iceweasel

The political blogopshere did something similar (and likewise full of fail) a few years ago-- IIRC the big proponents of the 'civility petition' were Josh Trevino and Jeff Goldstein. Lib bloggers also refused more or less en masse to sign it, since the main purpose of the petition was to 1) complain when people didn't sign it and 2) faux-outrage when a lib blogger used a dirty word like 'douchebag'.

Not, for example, for Jeff Goldstein to stop making threats of physical violence, or to keep his rabid commentators from threatening other bloggers.

Was this after Kathy Whats-her-name, the UI blogger was run out of town by a bunch of 4chan trolls?

11 comradebillyboy  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:28:05am

Yes its a cynical ploy, but it works. The democrats are getting a lot better at putting the republicans in no win situations. The democratic strategy of painting the republicans as hostile, irrational and uncivil appears to be working and the republicans are squealing loudly now.

12 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:28:58am

re: #11 comradebillyboy

Down with both parties. Pffiibbittth.™

13 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:29:38am

Clowns to the Left, Jokers to the Right.

14 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:30:14am

re: #1 Taqyia2Me

A pox on both their houses.

GMTA

...and so do ours.

15 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:30:35am

re: #13 Racer X

Clowns to the Left, Jokers to the Right.

16 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:32:46am

It's brilliant but wrong.

17 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:32:50am

This is kind of rhetorical...does any congress critter realize how much the ordinary(us) educated on the issues citizen holds both sides in contempt right now?

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:34:32am

re: #17 pingjockey

This is kind of rhetorical...does any congress critter realize how much the ordinary(us) educated on the issues citizen holds both sides in contempt right now?

I don't think they care.

19 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:34:58am

re: #18 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think you are right.

20 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:35:30am

Two hardcore atheists (Hitch and Maher) discussing the Catholic church. Good times, good times.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

21 The Left  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:35:42am

re: #10 Conservative Moonbat

Was this after Kathy Whats-her-name, the UI blogger was run out of town by a bunch of 4chan trolls?

I don't remember that, I'm afraid. This was some other bullshit-- 2006.

Within days of calling for civility and an online petition, Jeff Goldstein outed a couple of liberal bloggers, posting their names, jobs, and addresses, and encouraging his troglodyte readers to pay them a visit with axehandles and 2 by 4's.

22 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:37:26am

re: #20 JasonA
I don't mind Hitchens, I can't stand Maher.

23 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:37:50am

re: #17 pingjockey

I don't think they realize.

I have several tons of unused curse words that I've removed from my conversation, due to congress.

BBL

24 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:38:41am

re: #23 Ojoe
Heh.

25 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:38:50am

on thread; grammatical redundancies

check out Randi at moment 3.34

26 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:39:59am

What the hell has happened to this web site? Thread after thread about this meaningless partisan bickering bullshit, but nary a word about how Obama is treating Netanyahu and Israel.

27 firstinla  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:41:17am

re: #26 AndeePanda

We've already been thru that, thank you.

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:41:23am

re: #26 AndeePanda

What the hell has happened to this web site? Thread after thread about this meaningless partisan bickering bullshit, but nary a word about how Obama is treating Netanyahu and Israel.

Go to to last nights open thread. Plenty there.

29 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:41:30am

re: #26 AndeePanda
We, the lizards have been hashing it out. I don't think there's been a dedicated thread...yet.

30 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:41:43am

re: #26 AndeePanda

Many injustices are not covered. Maybe you could start a blog of your own and take up the slack.

31 The Left  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:41:55am

re: #26 AndeePanda

Well, most people think the passage of health care reform is a really, really big deal.
If you don't like the posts here, why don't you piss off?

That's my contribution to civility for the day.

32 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:43:05am

re: #26 AndeePanda

Cthulhu has taken control of our minds. We are now devoted to returning to our home planet of Vhoorl.

Will you join us?

33 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:43:51am

re: #32 Racer X
Bwahahaha!

34 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:43:52am

re: #31 iceweasel

Actually, I have pissed off. This is the first time I've checked in here in months, and I don't think I'll be back. It's a shame, this used to be one of the best blogs.

35 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:44:37am

re: #23 Ojoe

Forgot the movie and I'm misquoting


"He dressed him down for a full eight minutes and he did not repeat himself a single time!"
36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:44:38am

re: #34 AndeePanda

Actually, I have pissed off. This is the first time I've checked in here in months, and I don't think I'll be back. It's a shame, this used to be one of the best blogs.

K. Bye! (waving)

37 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:44:42am

A flounce! A flounce on Saturday.

38 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:44:48am

FLOUNCE!!!

I'm WAY better than you. This blog USED to be great, but now it sucks.

Oh boy, my first one in real time.

39 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:45:51am

ZOMG!
The Tea Party Express just pulled up!re: #34 AndeePanda

Actually, I have pissed off. This is the first time I've checked in here in months, and I don't think I'll be back. It's a shame, this used to be one of the best blogs.

WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA

40 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:45:54am

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

Enjoy you echo chamber of irrelevance.

41 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:45:59am

re: #35 swamprat

Any good NCO can do that. It is an art.

42 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:46:27am

re: #34 AndeePanda


I'm going to truly miss you.


Just go on... I'm getting kerplunk


talk amongst yourselves!

43 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:47:27am

re: #34 AndeePanda

Actually, I have pissed off. This is the first time I've checked in here in months, and I don't think I'll be back. It's a shame, this used to be one of the best blogs.

It always was and still is the BEST blog on the internet. Bye!

44 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:47:36am

re: #42 swamprat

I'm going to truly miss you.

Just go on... I'm getting kerplunk

talk amongst yourselves!

What is the topic?

45 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:47:39am

re: #40 AndeePanda
There is no echo chamber here! You need to read some prior threads! I've had some very good arguments with the folks from the left side of the aisle. I have no clue about your echo chamber.

46 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:48:35am

re: #44 Lateralis


Post 34...apparently lgf is lacking in subject matter.

47 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:49:12am

re: #34 AndeePanda

Cthulhu compels you to stay and be absorbed. You know you want to.

œ≈)

48 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:49:13am

re: #40 AndeePanda

Andee,

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Seriously man, you stop in here for a few seconds and condemn all you see as irrelevance. I'll admit not all our discourses rise to the angelic, but we can keep in tune and we're great to dance to.

But donut let the door hit you as you leave. People who stay here LIKE the give and take that comes from talking to people who don't always agree with them. I understand that it's not for everyone.

49 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:49:39am

re: #31 iceweasel

Well, most people think the passage of health care reform is a really, really big deal.
If you don't like the posts here, why don't you piss off?

That's my contribution to civility for the day.

"Pardon me Sir Panada but would you be so kind as to piss off!"

//

50 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:51:45am

So, to comment on the thread topic...

It's a trap!

/

51 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:51:58am

re: #44 Lateralis

What is the topic?

snl shtick


52 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:52:06am

re: #12 Ojoe

Down with both parties. Pffiibbittth.™

Ojoe... you're idealism belays the reality of what has happened in this country. Washington is an enclave of plutocrats and kleptocrats, lorded ovet by special interest and big corporate money. No politician, Democrat or Republican, Independent or... or... or Whig, will be given a seat at the table unless they can serve the interest of the lords.

So, if you actually think that a third party will be able to keep the stink off of themselves and ride into any office like some white knight, you're sadly deluded.

53 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:52:27am

sigh.
The flouncers we've had lately are just so damn lame.
No !!!!! or OMG or Ihateyourfuckingface or ELEVENTY or Y'ALL ARE A BUNCH OF BITCHES AND LESBIANS...meh, boring.

54 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:52:32am

As far as I can remember we discussed the Netanyahu/Obama kerfuffle extensively amongst ourselves. And I think it was maybe 80/20 or more than it was not a good thing as to what happened at the WH. Some of you other folks may have a better take on it, but IIRC most of us came down on Israels side.

55 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:52:38am

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

56 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:52:59am

Back in for a few minutes. Was that a flounceus interruptus?

57 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:53:15am

re: #56 Spare O'Lake
Yep.

58 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:54:25am

re: #40 AndeePanda

Echo chamber of irrelevance.

Catchy. I like it.

59 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:54:33am

re: #48 JoyousMN

Granted, I didn't go deep into any threads today, just checked in really quick. But, it used to be that many of the front page postings were dedicated to foreign policy, especially the importance of Israel, and now the front page postings are all about the stupid things congress people say. Hint to everyone, all congress people suck. There, that conversation is complete. Now get back to discussing things that really matter.

60 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:54:34am

re: #55 Racer X
That's easy for you to say!

61 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:55:03am

re: #53 webevintage

sigh.
The flouncers we've had lately are just so damn lame.
No !!! or OMG or Ihateyourfuckingface or ELEVENTY or Y'ALL ARE A BUNCH OF BITCHES AND LESBIANS...meh, boring.

I don't that's going to work. Meaning AndeePanda has to try a lot harder to make it a real flounce. Right now he's just approaching a Tepid Flounce™.

62 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:55:22am

re: #53 webevintage

sigh.
The flouncers we've had lately are just so damn lame.
No !!! or OMG or Ihateyourfuckingface or ELEVENTY or Y'ALL ARE A BUNCH OF BITCHES AND LESBIANS...meh, boring.

I think Charles should have a drop down box on the left panel of the top ten flounce templates.. Just fill in the blanks and post..
It's a new feature here..
*wink*

63 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:55:37am

re: #60 pingjockey

That's easy for you to say!

"In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming."

64 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:55:50am

re: #55 Racer X

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[Link: lolthulhu.com...]

65 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:56:10am

re: #59 AndeePanda
HCR does really matter. A snub of the Israeli PM is not good, but not earth shattering. If the Obama admin cut off all aid to Israel, that would be something.

66 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:56:12am

What's a flounce?

67 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:56:50am

re: #63 Racer X
I haven't read a Lovecraft book in years.

68 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:56:52am

re: #66 AndeePanda

Something you're currently failing at. Didn't you say you had pissed off already?

69 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:56:55am

re: #62 HoosierHoops

I think Charles should have a drop down box on the left panel of the top ten flounce templates.. Just fill in the blanks and post..
It's a new feature here..
*wink*

"On a scale of 1 to 5, how would you describe your experience at Little Green Footballs?"

/

70 avanti  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:57:15am

re: #31 iceweasel

Well, most people think the passage of health care reform is a really, really big deal.
If you don't like the posts here, why don't you piss off?

That's my contribution to civility for the day.

Latest Gallup poll on the passing of the health care
bill.

Good Thing 49%
Bad Thing 40%
No Opinion 11%

71 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:57:56am

re: #59 AndeePanda

Hey fucktard. Who made you owner of this blog? Who made you the blog police? Charles owns this blog, and he will post what ever he wants. You haven't contributed jack shit to this blog in the past, you're little hit and run today probably raised the intelligence level of the blog you usually hang out at, and if you don't like it, leave.

72 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:01am

re: #66 AndeePanda
When someone comes in and bitches about the threads not covering their particular issue and says that's it I'm outa here, leaving, y'all suck etc...

73 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:09am

re: #66 AndeePanda

What's a flounce?

Dramatic exit performed to call attention to oneself..

74 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:15am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Dude, calm down. I think you're letting this blog become a little too important to you. This level of vitriol is ridiculous.

75 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:30am

re: #70 avanti

Latest Gallup poll on the passing of the health care
bill.

Good Thing 49%
Bad Thing 40%
No Opinion 11%

I think the polling should go like this.

HC Law?

Big Fucking Deal...
Hell No!...
I like Pie...

76 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:30am

re: #59 AndeePanda

Hint to you. Your know it all attitude really sucks. What are your about 20? You act like you can discern the substance of this place from a cursory glance. You have found us wanting so you're off. But first you must let us all know how deficient we are.

Well fuck you too.

77 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:34am

re: #26 AndeePanda

What the hell has happened to this web site? Thread after thread about this meaningless partisan bickering bullshit, but nary a word about how Obama is treating Netanyahu and Israel.

You would actually have to read the threads where that's been discussed.

78 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:59:36am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton
Who pissed in your cornflakes? :)

79 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:00:19pm

re: #66 AndeePanda

What's a flounce?

It is a parting comment, usually snide in nature, that announces a poster's displeasure with the content of the blog. It also conveys the intent to leave and go hang out at a true echo chamber of irrelevance.

80 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:00:23pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton


What do you really think, Walter?

Now don't hold back.

81 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:00:42pm

re: #51 swamprat

That show used to be great!

82 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:01:00pm

re: #74 AndeePanda

Dude, calm down. I think you're letting this blog become a little too important to you. This level of vitriol is ridiculous.

You're level of self-importance is amazing. You drop in here, shit on the rug, and than ask us all to pick it up using the better smelling end.

Troll.

83 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton
I'll give you a 9 out of 10 for that rant Walter. Good one. Hehe.

84 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:01:28pm

re: #78 pingjockey

Who pissed in your cornflakes? :)

AndeePanda.

85 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:01:59pm

re: #75 webevintage

I think the polling should go like this.

HC Law?

Big Fucking Deal...
Hell No!...
I like Pie...

You forgot one more...

"What HC law?"

86 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:02:01pm

re: #69 Gus 802

"On a scale of 1 to 5, how would you describe your experience at Little Green Footballs?"

/

When reading a contrary view at LGF Do you:
a) express your views and list opposite posts in a respectful manner?
b) Demand God strike the poster dead
c) Crawl into the fetal position and suck your thumb
d) Flounce
e) none of the above

87 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:02:06pm

re: #34 AndeePanda

It's a shame, this used to be one of the best blogs.

If it was so good, where the hell have you been since 2008? Are we supposed to hang around here, being the best blog all alone, waiting for you to come back?

88 simoom  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:02:12pm

Some tea partier signs from today's "Showdown in Searchlight" event:

[Link: www.mobypicture.com...]

Sunday March 21
A date that will live in infamy. The United States of America was Attacked and its sacred Constitution was shredded by the Democratic Socialist Party. Since then a State of War exists between the free people of this great nation and those who would Enslave us. Hostilities Ex*** (Exist?) Our people, Our Constitution, Our Vry Lives are in Grave Danger. ...

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Karl Marx & Mao were not Founding Fathers!

[Link: www.mobypicture.com...]

WE THE PEOPLE are AT WAR with "The Goverment"

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Got Tar
Need Feathers & Pitchfork
89 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:02:45pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

I didn't realize that expressing displeasure with the content of the front page postings was equal to shitting on the rug! Didn't mean to upset you, clearly this is much more important to you than it is to me.

90 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:02:50pm

Yes, we speak of things that matter,
With words that must be said,
Can analysis be worthwhile?
Is the theater really dead?

91 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:03:01pm

OK. Ignoring the poorly done flounce, William F. Buckley's son has a column about the whole Frum fiasco:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

92 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:03:06pm

Oh my. Stand by...Obama may make some recess appointments. This will cause something of a stink. BTW, ALL Presidents have the right to do this.

93 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:03:18pm

re: #59 AndeePanda

Now get back to discussing things that really matter.

Like how the right-wing is trying to send all of us back to the stone age of thought (creationism), or trying to control women's bodies (banning abortion), or consorting with racists and conspiracy theorists (John Birch Society, Tea Party, etc), or not speaking out enough against the above? Those are the ones that really matter, or constantly trying to derail fighting of AGW? Those really matter right now.

The recent snub of the Israeli PM, while bad, is not earth shattering in the sense that it would send the whole country and the world into a shitstorm of catastrophe. That's what really matters to Charles. His blog, and we are all his guests, free to leave whenever we like. Nothing's keeping you here and posting.

94 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:03:26pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton
Heh.

95 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:03:40pm

re: #79 Racer X

It is a parting comment, usually snide in nature, that announces a poster's displeasure with the content of the blog. It also conveys the intent to leave and go hang out at a true echo chamber of irrelevance.

echo chamber of irrelevance

That is a bit brilliant.
Maybe LGF should have rotating self deprecating sub-titles like on Balloon Juice and that could be one of them.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:04:05pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Oh my. Stand by...Obama may make some recess appointments. This will cause something of a stink. BTW, ALL Presidents have the right to do this.

And they all do it. And the other side bitches.

97 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:04:10pm

re: #89 AndeePanda

I didn't realize that expressing displeasure with the content of the front page postings was equal to shitting on the rug! Didn't mean to upset you, clearly this is much more important to you than it is to me.

I'm curious - what response were you expecting with your initial post on this thread?

"OMG! Andee is right! We all need to refocus!"

?

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:04:57pm

re: #97 Racer X

I'm curious - what response were you expecting with your initial post on this thread?

"OMG! Andee is right! We all need to refocus!"

?

I DEMAND A MIXED DRINK THREAD!!
/or just a mixed drink:)

99 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:05:01pm

re: #89 AndeePanda

I didn't realize that expressing displeasure with the content of the front page postings was equal to shitting on the rug! Didn't mean to upset you, clearly this is much more important to you than it is to me.

Now you've done it!

I'm agitated.

100 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:05:15pm

re: #95 webevintage

echo chamber of irrelevance

That is a bit brilliant.
Maybe LGF should have rotating self deprecating sub-titles like on Balloon Juice and that could be one of them.

I think Charles invented the rotating title of shame.

101 simoom  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:05:30pm

re: #88 simoom

A closer shot of the "Got Tar, Need Feathers & Pitchfork" sign:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Note the U.S. Flag being flown upside down in the background.

102 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:06:19pm

Here's something that may matter. Can the Iraqis have an election and the losing side not resort to militias and gunfire?

103 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:06:28pm

re: #100 Racer X

I think Charles invented the rotating title of shame.

Then he is teh!brilliant.

104 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:06:49pm

re: #86 HoosierHoops

When reading a contrary view at LGF Do you:
a) express your views and list opposite posts in a respectful manner?
b) Demand God strike the poster dead
c) Crawl into the fetal position and suck your thumb
d) Flounce
e) none of the above

Prior to flouncing at LGF, what methods did you employ to cope with your disgruntled feelings?

a) Drank more booze.
b) Smoked more crack.
c) Binged on pie or snacks.
d) Surfed for Japanese porn.
e) Masturbated.
f) All of the above.

105 AndeePanda  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:07:02pm

re: #97 Racer X

Good point. Although I truly did check in today to see what you all were thinking about Israel, and I was truly disappointed about the he said she said front page posts. All right, I'm gone.

106 Mark Pennington  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:07:31pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

If it was so good, where the hell have you been since 2008? Are we supposed to hang around here, being the best blog all alone, waiting for you to come back?

I would follow you around all day just to hear your zingers.

107 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:07:46pm

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

I DEMAND A MIXED DRINK THREAD!!
/or just a mixed drink:)

No.
WHY QUEEN WAS THE GREATEST BAND EVAH!!!!111!!!! thread.

108 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:07:51pm

re: #100 Racer X

I think Charles invented the rotating title of shame.

Yep - still there on the upper right side above the vertical ads.

It currently says "Democracy, whisky, sexy!"

109 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:08:18pm

re: #90 Spare O'Lake

Yes, we speak of things that matter,
With words that must be said,
Can analysis be worthwhile?
Is the theater really dead?

Like a poem poorly written,
We are verses out of rhythm,
Couplets out of rhyme,
In syncopated time...

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:08:28pm

re: #107 webevintage

No.
WHY QUEEN WAS THE GREATEST BAND EVAH!!!111!!! thread.

We can have both!!!

111 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:08:39pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Oh my. Stand by...Obama may make some recess appointments. This will cause something of a stink. BTW, ALL Presidents have the right to do this.

John Roberts even encouraged him to do so.

112 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:09:13pm

re: #89 AndeePanda

I didn't realize that expressing displeasure with the content of the front page postings was equal to shitting on the rug! Didn't mean to upset you, clearly this is much more important to you than it is to me.

Evidently not, since you took the time to come here and complain. Or do you usually take time and effort pointing out things you care nothing about?

113 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:09:14pm

re: #105 AndeePanda

Thanks for sharing.

114 simoom  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:09:55pm

re: #101 simoom

A couple photos of the goofier side of the event:

Colonial costumes and tricorn hats:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Protester in an oddly creepy Reagan mask:
[Link: twitpic.com...]

115 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:10:01pm

Getting the hook...
BBL

116 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:10:30pm

re: #111 Conservative Moonbat
The one likely to cause the biggest stink is some guy who was SEIU counsel being appointed to the Labor relations board or something in the labor dept. Didn't catch who or where due to being buzzed by miniature helicopters!

117 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:10:52pm

re: #108 Racer X

Yep - still there on the upper right side above the vertical ads.

It currently says "Democracy, whisky, sexy!"

OMG!
Well duh.
I have never, ever noticed them.
Right now is says:
"If you have to ask, it isn't shock and awe."

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:10:57pm

re: #105 AndeePanda

I already told you. Go to the open thread from last night. You, instead, tried to insult me, or the blog, or whatever.

119 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:11:06pm

Surprise and disappointment over the change of topic emphasis at LGF:
1. Bullshit
2. Rip Van Winkle

120 the yankee  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:11:17pm

If you really got to get into a fight with an a lower life form you have to fight at that life forms level.

So when is it time to clean the dirt off and figure out which one is the lower life form.

121 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:11:42pm

re: #55 Racer X

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

If you play any recording of C'thul'u backwards, you get the Lords' Prayer.

You can hear it in the background in the normal way whenever he is in an enclosed space with most english speaking humans.

Of those who aren't screaming, that is.

122 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:11:55pm

re: #119 jaunte
3. Ron Paul

123 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:11:56pm

re: #102 pingjockey

Here's something that may matter. Can the Iraqis US have an election and the losing side not resort to militias and gunfire?

FIFY

124 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:12:33pm

re: #122 pingjockey

3. Ron Paul

You win the poll!

125 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:12:34pm

re: #123 Conservative Moonbat
I dearly damn hope so.

126 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:12:57pm

re: #119 jaunte

Surprise and disappointment over the change of topic emphasis at LGF:
1. Bullshit
2. Rip Van Winkle


3. ronpaul!

127 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:13:10pm

re: #124 jaunte
I would like to thank my mom and dad and the academy.

128 avanti  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:13:19pm

The GOP was for a health care mandate, before they were against it:

"Conservatives today say that's unacceptable. Not long ago, many of them saw a national mandate as a free-market route to guarantee coverage for all Americans — the answer to liberal ambitions for a government-run entitlement like Medicare. Most experts agree some kind of requirement is needed in a reformed system because health insurance doesn't work if people can put off joining the risk pool until they get sick.

In the early 1970s, President Richard Nixon favored a mandate that employers provide insurance. In the 1990s, the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, embraced an individual requirement. Not anymore.
The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea,
said health economist Mark Pauly of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. In 1991, he published a paper that explained how a mandate could be combined with tax credits — two ideas that are now part of Obama's law. Pauly's paper was well-received — by the George H.W. Bush administration."

mandate.

129 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:13:36pm

re: #2 boyo

2 cheeks of the same backside

Where does that leave the centrists?

130 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:14:02pm

re: #129 negativ
In a crack.

131 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:14:33pm

I went to a hockey game and a blog broke out.

132 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:15:03pm

re: #128 avanti

In other words the health care bill was quite bipartisan.

133 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:15:05pm

I need a map. The TP rally is in Reids home town. Searchlight NV.

134 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:16:13pm

Bleh, indeed. By the way Charles, is the door open?

135 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:16:15pm

re: #120 the yankee

If you really got to get into a fight with an a lower life form you have to fight at that life forms level.

So when is it time to clean the dirt off and figure out which one is the lower life form.

I realize a Great White Shark is a lower life form than me..
It had never crossed my mind to swim right up and slap that bitch in the Jaw..
Unless i got a gun or bug spray I don't fuck with any lower life forms..
//

136 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:18:10pm

re: #134 austin_blue
Up where you log in it says......shhhh...register, it may be open.

137 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:19:04pm

re: #122 pingjockey

3. Ron Paul

1. BUY GOLD!
2. BUY SEEDS!
3. ???
4. PROFIT!

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:19:38pm

re: #136 pingjockey

Up where you log in it says...shhh...register, it may be open.

As long as they don't suck, cool. I waited over a year to get on.

139 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:20:45pm

FWIW...to my friends on the other side of the aisle, Palin is speaking to the TP now on FNC. I just wanted to help you get your cardiovascular system up and running. Kind of like Reid or Pelosi does for me. :)

140 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:21:28pm

re: #137 Lidane
Hahaha. I love that episode. Underwear Gnomes.

141 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:22:54pm

Crap...she had a chance to denounce the extremist violence and equivocated.

142 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:23:08pm

BBIAB!

143 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:23:36pm

re: #139 pingjockey

I think I'll pass. I'm actually in a good mood today. Hehe.

Maybe I'll fire up the Blu-Ray player and watch the new Star Trek film again. Or get out of the house for a manicure. Either way, Caribou Barbie doesn't figure into my plans for the day. ;)

144 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:24:02pm

re: #141 pingjockey

Crap...she had a chance to denounce the extremist violence and equivocated.


I'm shocked!
Shocked I say.

145 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:24:51pm

Yep, Dems are trying to make themselves look rational and reasonable (although next to the GOP they already look that way). I agree that this seems to be a cynical ploy to get more votes and control the GOP. But if the GOP wants to counter this, all they have to do is come out with their own resolution to tone down the violence and then act on it. And they need to do it before the violence gets any worse. No waiting until it gets to an unthinkable level and then saying, "We never wanted this."

146 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:27:04pm
It will probably come as a surprise to most Americans, but the winter just finished was the fifth warmest on record, worldwide.

Oh, sure, nearly two-thirds of the country can dispute that from personal experience of a colder-than-normal season.

But while much of the United States was colder than usual, December-February - climatological winter - continued the long string of unusual warmth on a global basis.

And parts of the United States did join in, with warmer-than-normal readings for the season in New England and the Pacific Northwest. Indeed, Maine had its third warmest winter on record, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports.

NOAA's National Climatic Data Center reports that worldwide the average temperature for winter was 54.9 degrees Fahrenheit (12.7 Celsius).

That's 1.08 degrees F (0.60 C) above average for the three-month period.

147 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:27:14pm

re: #145 euphgeek

Yep, Dems are trying to make themselves look rational and reasonable (although next to the GOP they already look that way). I agree that this seems to be a cynical ploy to get more votes and control the GOP. But if the GOP wants to counter this, all they have to do is come out with their own resolution to tone down the violence and then act on it. And they need to do it before the violence gets any worse. No waiting until it gets to an unthinkable level and then saying, "We never wanted this."

I agree with you but did I miss something. Have there been any actual acts of violence other than cutting the gas hose on the fire place?

148 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:27:32pm

re: #136 pingjockey

Up where you log in it says...shhh...register, it may be open.

Registration is open?
I really am going to need a new nic.. I'm moving this summer...a hoosier never more..
You guys wanna vote?
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2) CollegetownHoops (I'm going to collegetown)
3) The first nic I ever used at my first blog Firedoglake....Napavalleyboy
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149 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:27:35pm

re: #40 AndeePanda

Enjoy you echo chamber of irrelevance.

You missed "sycophant" and any slang or derivative of "Charles".

Other than that, you seem to be honestly critiquing a blog you love and treasure.

/pardon me, one of my supermodel girlfriends wants to know if she should wax the Bugatti

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:28:42pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Meanwhile, Florida had one of coldest in 100 years and strawberry and orange farmers will take a hit.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:29:27pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Oh my. Stand by...Obama may make some recess appointments. This will cause something of a stink. BTW, ALL Presidents have the right to do this.

Won't stop the hysterics about Obama doing it, though.

Ah, well, full speed ahead!

152 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:29:41pm

re: #149 swamprat

You missed "sycophant" and any slang or derivative of "Charles".

Other than that, you seem to be honestly critiquing a blog you love and treasure.

/pardon me, one of my supermodel girlfriends wants to know if she should wax the Bugatti

Big whoop... one of my supermodel girlfriends wants me to wax her!

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:30:42pm

re: #114 simoom

A couple photos of the goofier side of the event:

Colonial costumes and tricorn hats:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Protester in an oddly creepy Reagan mask:
[Link: twitpic.com...]

The outfits are getting better, I assume because as the movement continues they are starting to learn where to source period costumes.

154 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:30:43pm

re: #91 Lidane

OK. Ignoring the poorly done flounce, William F. Buckley's son has a column about the whole Frum fiasco:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Excellent read, thanks!

155 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:31:04pm

AndeePanda... you forgot to log off.

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:31:09pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Big whoop... one of my supermodel girlfriends wants me to wax her!

Brazilian? (both GF and wax job)

157 Soap_Man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:31:28pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Registration is open?
I really am going to need a new nic.. I'm moving this summer...a hoosier never more..
You guys wanna vote?
1) Hoopster.. Generic..
2) CollegetownHoops (I'm going to collegetown)
3) The first nic I ever used at my first blog Firedoglake...Napavalleyboy
4) BillyRayMissile I was in a high school rock band playing guitar and wanted a cool name...Billy Ray.. Yes..I thought I was so cool
5) Suggestions?
Vote early and vote often
/I think I should do a parody song of I need a new drug
I need a new nic

Hoopster. I like it. It's simple.

158 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:32:33pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Registration is open?
I really am going to need a new nic.. I'm moving this summer...a hoosier never more..
You guys wanna vote?
1) Hoopster.. Generic..
2) CollegetownHoops (I'm going to collegetown)
3) The first nic I ever used at my first blog Firedoglake...Napavalleyboy
4) BillyRayMissile I was in a high school rock band playing guitar and wanted a cool name...Billy Ray.. Yes..I thought I was so cool
5) Suggestions?
Vote early and vote often
/I think I should do a parody song of I need a new drug
I need a new nic

You'll always be HoosierHoops to me. I've always enjoyed your thoughtful posts and the class you bring to the Board. I'd keep the nic.

159 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:33:05pm

re: #154 bratwurst

Excellent read, thanks!

Hey hey! Scalke is at the top!

160 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:34:56pm

re: #147 Lateralis

I agree with you but did I miss something. Have there been any actual acts of violence other than cutting the gas hose on the fire place?

No, I'm saying the GOP needs to denounce the vandalism before it gets above that level.

161 Cineaste  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:35:03pm

re: #11 comradebillyboy

Yes its a cynical ploy, but it works. The democrats are getting a lot better at putting the republicans in no win situations. The democratic strategy of painting the republicans as hostile, irrational and uncivil appears to be working and the republicans are squealing loudly now.

I would venture to say that that is a position the Republicans have painted themselves into. If the shoe fits...

That's not to say that this isn't a cynical move by Dems designed for purely political advantage and it's unsavory in its own ways.

162 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:35:55pm

Andee is a Sad Panda.

163 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:36:08pm

Dear Sarah Palin,

Sit down and shut up.

Thanks,

Gus

164 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:36:14pm

re: #159 austin_blue

Hey hey! Schalke is at the top!

I might have noticed that! :D Head to head at home with Bayern next Saturday at 8:30AM central time...a win could make the end of a 52 year title drought more than realistic.

165 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:36:43pm

re: #158 austin_blue

You'll always be HoosierHoops to me. I've always enjoyed your thoughtful posts and the class you bring to the Board. I'd keep the nic.

Why thank you...It's been a honor meeting you and all the lizards..

166 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:37:03pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Registration is open?
I really am going to need a new nic.. I'm moving this summer...a hoosier never more..
You guys wanna vote?
1) Hoopster.. Generic..
2) CollegetownHoops (I'm going to collegetown)
3) The first nic I ever used at my first blog Firedoglake...Napavalleyboy
4) BillyRayMissile I was in a high school rock band playing guitar and wanted a cool name...Billy Ray.. Yes..I thought I was so cool
5) Suggestions?
Vote early and vote often
/I think I should do a parody song of I need a new drug
I need a new nic

Are you still going to Singapore? How about SingaporeSling, then?

167 Soap_Man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:37:15pm

re: #128 avanti

For some reason, it won't let me directly link to the individual cartoon, so seen #10.

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:37:27pm

re: #166 The Sanity Inspector

Are you still going to Singapore? How about SingaporeSling, then?

I like it!!

169 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:37:37pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

AndeePanda... you forgot to log off.

Only has two hands you know. One to blog at stalkerville. One in his lap...
Give the guy a break.
He'll log off after he's done.
Then maybe Mom will come downstairs and bring him some cocoa.

170 Cineaste  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:38:29pm

re: #74 AndeePanda

Dude, calm down. I think you're letting this blog become a little too important to you. This level of vitriol is ridiculous.

Walter aside (as he usually is two-quarts over the vitriol threshold) - where's the vitriol?

171 Cineaste  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:38:52pm

re: #170 Cineaste

Walter aside (as he usually is two-quarts over the vitriol threshold) - where's the vitriol?

And that's said with love Walter... :)

172 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:39:18pm

re: #161 Cineaste

I would venture to say that that is a position the Republicans have painted themselves into. If the shoe fits...

That's not to say that this isn't a cynical move by Dems designed for purely political advantage and it's unsavory in its own ways.

I'm not sure if it is a cynical move by the Democrats. If you were a Democrat politician, receiving death threats in emails and phone calls, wouldn't you want to see your party taking some proactive measures to insure your safety? I think this is a sincere effort of the Democratic leadership in trying to prevent the possibilities of what could happen next. It's frightening.

173 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:39:21pm

Tea Party rally in Searchlight, NV. CNN has it live now.

Yep, it's another Boss Hogg and Boss Hoggette gathering.

Now that got some goofy singer singing "Just Vote them Out." Yeesh.

174 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:40:12pm

After years of leftist name calling, I think the Dems have some nerve to be asking for "civility" now. The left is beneath contempt, too bad our MSM still follows that party line. Having read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" I can pretty well see where their ideas come from. Tactics don't matter, only the result counts ie: Obamacare. Freeze, personalize and demonize the opposition. It used to work, I hope we can see through it now.

175 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:40:28pm

re: #161 Cineaste

I would venture to say that that is a position the Republicans have painted themselves into. If the shoe fits...

That's not to say that this isn't a cynical move by Dems designed for purely political advantage and it's unsavory in its own ways.

The Republicans may have painted themselves into a corner but I still think when the November election roles around it won't matter because it will be all about jobs/economy. No mater how many reports come out between now and November saying this or that sector of the economy is improving, if unemployment is still around 10%, it will be a bloodletting.

176 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:40:29pm

re: #170 Cineaste

Walter aside (as he usually is two-quarts over the vitriol threshold) - where's the vitriol?

re: #171 Cineaste

And that's said with love Walter... :)

Yea... I bet it was...

177 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:40:45pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

Won't stop the hysterics about Obama doing it, though.

Ah, well, full speed ahead!

Turnabout's fair play. I didn't kick when Bush recess-appointed Bolton, so Obama's got the perfect right to put his team in play.

178 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:41:03pm

re: #166 The Sanity Inspector

Are you still going to Singapore? How about SingaporeSling, then?

No..The trip is delayed for one year.. My Company signed a huge contract to build across the street from a big University here in the states.. I'll be building the Network and managing it for a year.. The press release will be released shortly and will announce it here...Then I'm moving lizards...

179 Cineaste  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:41:21pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure if it is a cynical move by the Democrats. If you were a Democrat politician, receiving death threats in emails and phone calls, wouldn't you want to see your party taking some proactive measures to insure your safety? I think this is a sincere effort of the Democratic leadership in trying to prevent the possibilities of what could happen next. It's frightening.

I completely agree that I would be scared if I were them. I just find "civility pledges" are inane. Just stand up on the capitol steps and say: "People. This is a democracy. There is an election in seven months. You will get to fire each and every one of us if you like. You can peacefully demonstrate. Write editorials and make your opinions known. But threatening people physically, committing acts of violence and saying that your political opponent is Hitler or the anti-christ is unacceptable and must stop."

180 Cineaste  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:41:50pm

re: #174 Filala

After years of leftist name calling, I think the Dems have some nerve to be asking for "civility" now. The left is beneath contempt, too bad our MSM still follows that party line. Having read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" I can pretty well see where their ideas come from. Tactics don't matter, only the result counts ie: Obamacare. Freeze, personalize and demonize the opposition. It used to work, I hope we can see through it now.

Tu Quoque much?

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:42:17pm

re: #174 Filala

After years of leftist name calling, I think the Dems have some nerve to be asking for "civility" now. The left is beneath contempt, too bad our MSM still follows that party line. Having read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" I can pretty well see where their ideas come from. Tactics don't matter, only the result counts ie: Obamacare. Freeze, personalize and demonize the opposition. It used to work, I hope we can see through it now.

You seriously think that the Democratic party is referencing Saul Alinsky?

Yes, yes, apparently you do.

182 Cineaste  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:42:30pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

Yea... I bet it was...

It's the love I have for the old guy who yelled at me to get off his lawn... :)

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:43:05pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

No..The trip is delayed for one year.. My Company signed a huge contract to build across the street from a big University here in the states.. I'll be building the Network and managing it for a year.. The press release will be released shortly and will announce it here...Then I'm moving lizards...

What? But I was gonna crash on your couch in Singapore while on vacation!!
//

184 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:44:45pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes I do, favorite reading for leftist "organizers."

185 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:45:29pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

You seriously think that the Democratic party is referencing Saul Alinsky?

Yes, yes, apparently you do.

I refer to him all the time. Got the original paperback right here. I rarely post a comment without referring to it... good old radical he was, I love one of the acknowledgments... "To Susan Rabiner for being the shock absorber between the corporate structure of Random House and this writer."

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:46:03pm

re: #184 Filala

Yes I do, favorite reading for leftist "organizers."

How do you know that? Are you yourself a leftist 'organizer'?

187 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:46:17pm

re: #174 Filala

Having read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" I can pretty well see where their ideas come from.

Saul Alinsky? Seriously? Alinsky died before I was even born. Don't care what he did back in the day, and the idea that a 40+ year old book is still relevant to anything political today is laughable. Try moving forward a few decades. Not all of us on the left have a raging hard-on for the 60's generation.

Also, ironically enough, the older folks that are dominating the Tea Party protests now would have been the right age to be in college during Vietnam. I'd say they're far closer to the Alinsky referencing types than the current Democratic party.

188 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:46:39pm

re: #184 Filala

Yes I do, favorite reading for leftist "organizers."

Wingnut Organizers© would have something to read -- that is if they could read.

/

189 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:46:43pm

re: #182 Cineaste

It's the love I have for the old guy who yelled at me to get off his lawn... :)

Mr. Crabtree... from the Hardy Boys... that's fucking me... I'm aspiring to take that job in about 10 years, either that, or I want Andy Rooney's job... griping for 5 minutes a week and getting paid, hell, I do that in my sleep.

190 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:46:55pm

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

191 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:47:13pm

Iceweasel, are you present? To answer your question from last night, after I left: yes, that's me. I've been there as long as I've been here, since about '02.

192 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:47:38pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

Well there's your problem in a nutshell.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:47:50pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

Who told you that this book would tell you how 'the left' thinks?

194 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:48:08pm

re: #190 Filala

Too bad those ideas are 40+ years old.

Referencing Alinsky to get a handle on the current left is like asking Alexander Graham Bell for advice on how to use an iPhone. You're relying on ideas that are decades out of date.

195 Soap_Man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:49:19pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Who told you that this book would tell you how 'the left' thinks?

It's called "stereotyping." It's a real time saver.

196 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:49:30pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

sure you did.

Here's some super sekrit lefty info just for you; most of us have never read Saul Alinsky, never heard of Alinsky...that is until people like you bring him up.

197 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:49:39pm

Well, Marx is a little out of date, but here we are!

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:49:52pm

re: #194 Lidane

Too bad those ideas are 40+ years old.

Referencing Alinsky to get a handle on the current left is like asking Alexander Graham Bell for advice on how to use an iPhone. You're relying on ideas that are decades out of date.

Not to mention the fact that "Democrats" and "Radicals" do not go together, and are sort of hard to use together in the same sentence.

Except I just managed. Go me!

199 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:50:10pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks thought in 1972.

FTFY.

200 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:50:11pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

I was wondering who that was rattling around my cerebral cortex!

201 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:50:15pm

re: #174 Filala

Uh, what? What is going on now is beyond name calling. Democratic politicians are receiving death threats and have had their property vandalized. I can't recall such a thing happening to Republicans from 2000-2008. The vitriol has gone way, way up since Obama came into office and the Democrats gained control of both the House and Senate.

This isn't "turnabout is fair play". Someone is going to get severely injured or, Heaven forbid, killed because of the ratcheted vitriol.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:50:44pm

re: #196 webevintage

sure you did.

Here's some super sekrit lefty info just for you; most of us have never read Saul Alinsky, never heard of Alinsky...that is until people like you bring him up.

I would never have heard of Alinsky, except that he get discussed here, and at some of the wingnut blogs. It is interesting. A sort of anti-guru to the right, he has become.

203 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:51:25pm

re: #194 Lidane

Too bad those ideas are 40+ years old.

Referencing Alinsky to get a handle on the current left is like asking Alexander Graham Bell for advice on how to use an iPhone. You're relying on ideas that are decades out of date.

Actually, those idea are immemorial... been around a long time. I suspect you have never read it or else you would see how these concepts have been used for about 600 years or so. You can find the foundations in concepts like "political malice" and "political libel," both pamphleteering styles very popular in the late 1600's.

No, these idea have been with us a long time, just adjusted, renamed, shaken up sometimes, but the core is the same.

204 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:51:37pm

re: #197 swamprat

Well, Marx is a little out of date, but here we are!

Marx is never out of date...

205 zora  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:51:53pm

re: #190 Filala

sad for you. maybe that is how the left thought. before my time. now it seems that the only ones to reference alinsky is the radical right. and the ones who think a person can be a socialist, muslim, nazi, communist. where do you get this stuff?

206 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:52:02pm

How's that? His ideas are in use now:
real-life tactics that are fluid and responsive to the situation at hand.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.
Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people. The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.
Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”
Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.
Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”
Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.
Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength


Especially rule 11. ie: The EVIL Pharmaceutical Companies trying to gouge the poor patient.

207 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:52:19pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

That's like reading the Bible and believing that modern-day Christians think slavery is okay. You have some catching up to do.

208 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:52:44pm

There is no Right; there is no Left.

There are only two groups of people looking for power and control. The GOP is in total disarray, and they are grasping at anything that may help them get some power and control back. Because right now the Dems have most of it, and they are wielding it.

209 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:52:55pm

re: #194 Lidane

Too bad those ideas are 40+ years old.

Referencing Alinsky to get a handle on the current left is like asking Alexander Graham Bell for advice on how to use an iPhone. You're relying on ideas that are decades out of date.

True but the irony or the bright side depending on ones perspective is they aren't actual reading books or people that 'the left' actually read and use, so they remain rather clueless and living in a fantasy world.

Not going to bother to bring up the fact that 'the left' is by far not some homogenous group that complies with some sort of specific reading list in order to get into the 'club'. That might be a little bit too complex a conversation.

210 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:53:24pm

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

What? But I was gonna crash on your couch in Singapore while on vacation!!
//

*clears throat*
In a few months I've be living in a big College town.. You'll have much more fun when you visit...This was out of the blue.. I'm pretty much stunned...But a state put up just millions of dollars to build there for the jobs...Groundbreaking is soon..
Really.. Too bad the congress didn't thing of investing stimulus funds to entice global companies to move to the states more..It has been a big success story so far.. Hell the reason I was shipped to Indiana was because the state promised 10 years of zero taxes to move here.. We have around 150 people we hired here...I built the network here..Now off to the next forward thinking site...

211 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:53:38pm

Civility? Bipartisanship? Heh.

It's the Two Idiot System.

The only thing the two parties agree on is that there shall not be a viable third.

212 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:54:07pm

re: #206 Filala

How's that? His ideas are in use now:
real-life tactics that are fluid and responsive to the situation at hand.

This is just too easy some days.

213 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:54:08pm

re: #201 commadore183

Uh, what? What is going on now is beyond name calling. Democratic politicians are receiving death threats and have had their property vandalized. I can't recall such a thing happening to Republicans from 2000-2008. The vitriol has gone way, way up since Obama came into office and the Democrats gained control of both the House and Senate.

This isn't "turnabout is fair play". Someone is going to get severely injured or, Heaven forbid, killed because of the ratcheted vitriol.

I agree that the rhetoric is getting out of control from the far right at the moment but to say nothing like this happened when Bush was in office. Come on. The Republicans need to get control of it so they can get back on point.

214 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:54:41pm

re: #201 commadore183

Dems were vandalizing Repubs during elections.. But it was all in a good cause, you see. Evil Bush/war/ and all that.

But tu cuckoo aside, we don't need this sort of thing in this country, for any reason.

215 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:54:59pm

re: #201 commadore183

Uh, what? What is going on now is beyond name calling. Democratic politicians are receiving death threats and have had their property vandalized. I can't recall such a thing happening to Republicans from 2000-2008. The vitriol has gone way, way up since Obama came into office and the Democrats gained control of both the House and Senate.

This isn't "turnabout is fair play". Someone is going to get severely injured or, Heaven forbid, killed because of the ratcheted vitriol.

[Link: images.google.com...]

216 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:55:09pm

re: #206 Filala

Holy Farking Carp!

The Tea Party is employing most of those rules now.

217 Soap_Man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:55:29pm

re: #206 Filala

Politico: Right loves to hate, imitate Alinsky

But a funny thing happened on the way to Alinsky taking a place alongside top contemporary conservative bogeymen like Michael Moore, George Soros and Jane Fonda. His seminal 1971 guide to organizing, “Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals,” became a must-read for a new wave of conservative activists who mobilized — many for the first time — in opposition to the ambitious, big-government agenda pushed by President Obama and the Democratic Congress.

In the opening lines of “Rules,” Alinsky described its mission — and his approach — thus: “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. 'The Prince' was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. 'Rules for Radicals' is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."

Suddenly, the book was being touted as a way to beat the left at its own game by everyone from 69-year-old former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, whose nonprofit group FreedomWorks has emerged as a leading Washington bulwark for the tea party movement, to 25-year-old James O’Keefe, the self-styled activist investigative journalist who last year became a conservative hero for secretly recording employees of the liberal community-organizing group ACORN apparently offering advice on how to set up a brothel, to tea party leaders seeking to disrupt congressional town halls.

218 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:55:53pm

re: #214 swamprat

Dems were vandalizing Repubs during elections.. But it was all in a good cause, you see. Evil Bush/war/ and all that.

But tu cuckoo aside, we don't need this sort of thing in this country, for any reason.

Well, we need all the free speech we can get. Speech that advises acts of violence, not needed.

219 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:56:05pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

I would never have heard of Alinsky, except that he get discussed here, and at some of the wingnut blogs. It is interesting. A sort of anti-guru to the right, he has become.

Yeah me too. I've never been leftie left but have had contact with leftie lefters and never heard Alisky brought up as some sort of leftie must read. Never even mentioned by the most left leaning profs in Uni either.

Had to look the dude up on wikipedia to even know what people were talking about.

220 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:56:19pm

re: #206 Filala

It's probably not surprising that a school of thought or set of attitudes can pass into general usage, and the originator never be widely known.

Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.
-- Oscar Wilde

221 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:56:42pm

re: #206 Filala

Especially rule 11. ie: The EVIL Pharmaceutical Companies trying to gouge the poor patient.

Alinksy aside, have you ever read about what Big Pharma gets up to in Africa?

It would be hard to find a purer example of honest-to-God fucking evil in the world today.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:57:06pm

re: #206 Filala

My dear, as Walter points out, these are in general well-known political tactics, used by right and left time out of mind, and easily identified as being currently used by the wingnut fringe against the Obama administration. (Possibly due to the wingnut fringe's odd elevation of poor old Saul Alinsky.)

But my question remains--where did you get the idea that this book was still, in any way, influential among 'leftists', let alone the Democratic party? Do you really think that Barack Obama refers to Alinsky? Bill Clinton? Nancy Pelosi? Claire McCaskill? Barbara Boxer?

223 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:57:32pm

re: #217 Soap_Man

Politico: Right loves to hate, imitate Alinsky

As I said above... "These concepts have been used for about 600 years or so. You can find the foundations in concepts like "political malice" and "political libel," both pamphleteering styles very popular in the late 1600's. These idea have been with us a long time, just adjusted, renamed, shaken up sometimes, but the core is the same."

224 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:57:44pm

re: #206 Filala

Hey, if you're going to cut and paste from Conservapedia, at least do us the courtesy of labeling the source. You wouldn't want people thinking that you wrote that drivel, or would you?

225 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:57:54pm

re: #206 Filala

If anything Sail Alinsky was a good observer of human behavior and how it applies to politics. His rules for radicals can be applied to any political ideology and in fact is used by many people without knowledge of said rules. For example:

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

or

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself.

As I noted. People engage in these tactic regardless of Alinsky's work. People are free to study his work and it does not matter anymore than the Marines studying the military tactics of Mao or Lee Atwater who studied the political tactics of Mao. I assume you're aware of Machiavelli?

226 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:58:10pm

Just curious now, what is so new about leftist ideas? If you think Alinsky isn't referenced anymore. Where does the ideology come from?

227 Soap_Man  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:58:17pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

As I said above... "These concepts have been used for about 600 years or so. You can find the foundations in concepts like "political malice" and "political libel," both pamphleteering styles very popular in the late 1600's. These idea have been with us a long time, just adjusted, renamed, shaken up sometimes, but the core is the same."

Indeed.

BBL.

228 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:58:35pm

re: #221 Cato the Elder

Alinksy aside, have you ever read about what Big Pharma gets up to in Africa?

It would be hard to find a purer example of honest-to-God fucking evil in the world today.

you don't know enough about what Africans get up to in africa, in that case...

229 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:58:37pm

re: #209 Jadespring


Not going to bother to bring up the fact that 'the left' is by far not some homogenous group that complies with some sort of specific reading list in order to get into the 'club'. That might be a little bit too complex a conversation.

Aw, c'mon: try us!

230 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:58:40pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

Actually, those idea are immemorial... been around a long time. I suspect you have never read it or else you would see how these concepts have been used for about 600 years or so. You can find the foundations in concepts like "political malice" and "political libel," both pamphleteering styles very popular in the late 1600's.

No, these idea have been with us a long time, just adjusted, renamed, shaken up sometimes, but the core is the same.

So if the ideas are over 600 years old, then how the hell is Alinsky a barometer of the current left? Wouldn't he then just be another in a long line of people who've said similar things for centuries?

And yes, you're right. I've never read Alinsky. Never felt the need to read him, either. It just never interested me at all.

231 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:59:02pm

I am neither a Mod, or a Rocker.

I am a Mocker.

232 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:59:17pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you ever seen Glenn Beck's chalk board?
He has it all figured out
/

233 zora  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:59:19pm

re: #226 Filala

beck's chalk board.

/

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 12:59:54pm

re: #226 Filala

Just curious now, what is so new about leftist ideas? If you think Alinsky isn't referenced anymore. Where does the ideology come from?

FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL!!!!!

HAHAHAHHAA!!!!

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:02pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

re: #233 zora

2 freaking seconds. Heh.

236 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:24pm

Oh, just this morning I learned all about Saul Alinsky and Cloward-Piven.

The Nation has a article on it.

I learned so much! I learned that libs are all-powerful, diabolical plotters and we've been doing it for 40 years! No one let me in on this b4, but now it all makes so much sense. The back-room meetings that I wasn't allowed into, the memo's I couldn't read...wow, thanks tea baggers.///snark

Now I'll grant you that The Nation is a lefty rag, but the article references things I've heard people talk about...so is this REALLY what the tea baggers think?

237 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:29pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

Becks chalkboard beats Hals' ass.

238 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:30pm

re: #233 zora

beck's chalk board.

/

I beat you by 2 seconds!
That's an eternity at the Indy500

239 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:46pm

re: #214 swamprat

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for reminding me. Now I remember those instances. We still don't need to go down this route that we're currently on in regards to the threats and vandalism going on now. Someone in the GOP needs to step up and say "Enough!", but they don't have the balls to do so.

240 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:49pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL!!!

HAHAHAHHAA!!!

241 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:54pm

re: #206 Filala


Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.


Especially rule 11. ie: The EVIL Pharmaceutical Companies trying to gouge the poor patient.

The finest tactical manual is useless in the hands of those who can't read and comprehend.

242 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:00:56pm

re: #206 Filala

I love how you pick a rule that says:

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

And then say:

Especially rule 11. ie: The EVIL Pharmaceutical Companies trying to gouge the poor patient.

So you picked a rule saying not to attack corporations, and said that the Democrats are especially demonstrating this rule by attacking corporations.

You're not too bright.

243 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:16pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Sorry about that, I just cut and paste so I didn't have to run upstairs to get the book and then type in the rules.

244 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:24pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

My dear, as Walter points out, these are in general well-known political tactics, used by right and left time out of mind, and easily identified as being currently used by the wingnut fringe against the Obama administration. (Possibly due to the wingnut fringe's odd elevation of poor old Saul Alinsky.)

But my question remains--where did you get the idea that this book was still, in any way, influential among 'leftists', let alone the Democratic party? Do you really think that Barack Obama refers to Alinsky? Bill Clinton? Nancy Pelosi? Claire McCaskill? Barbara Boxer?

Crap. Of course not. Alinsky cribbed it all from Machiavelli. All Saul did was cut the beautiful, fancy prose and make "The Prince" digestible for simpler minds.

Whatever one thinks of the people you mention, none of them are stupid. They would go straight to the source. And Machiavelli is required reading in many colleges and universities.

Alinsky is just a convenient fixation for the right.

245 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:24pm

President Obama recess appoints 15 positions:[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

246 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:32pm

re: #225 Gus 802

If anything Sail Alinsky was a good observer of human behavior and how it applies to politics. His rules for radicals can be applied to any political ideology and in fact is used by many people without knowledge of said rules. For example:

As I noted. People engage in these tactic regardless of Alinsky's work. People are free to study his work and it does not matter anymore than the Marines studying the military tactics of Mao or Lee Atwater who studied the political tactics of Mao. I assume you're aware of Machiavelli?

I think some of that Alinsky list came from Sun Tzu.

247 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:38pm

I think it would be funny as hell if Charles put up a chalk board on the front page and posted weird-assed shit on it each day to mock Glenn Beck.

248 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:50pm

re: #242 Obdicut

2 seconds for me!!

249 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:01:55pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

My dear, as Walter points out, these are in general well-known political tactics, used by right and left time out of mind, and easily identified as being currently used by the wingnut fringe against the Obama administration. (Possibly due to the wingnut fringe's odd elevation of poor old Saul Alinsky.)

But my question remains--where did you get the idea that this book was still, in any way, influential among 'leftists', let alone the Democratic party? Do you really think that Barack Obama refers to Alinsky? Bill Clinton? Nancy Pelosi? Claire McCaskill? Barbara Boxer?

Thank you for that support. No more than many Hebrew biblical stories can trace their roots to concepts and understandings that were already ensconced in earlier civilizations, these political machinations that Alinsky codified in his book are all based on tried and true political tactics that have been around for ages.

And really, the English politician in the Baroque period actually would have made Alinsky look like a city councilman.

250 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:02:02pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

[Link: images.google.com...]

Teh Righteous Rage of the People Rising /= thuggery, you know...
//

251 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:02:14pm

re: #226 Filala

Just curious now, what is so new about leftist ideas? If you think Alinsky isn't referenced anymore. Where does the ideology come from?

"Il Principe."

252 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:03:01pm

re: #236 JoyousMN

..so is this REALLY what the tea baggers think?


Pretty much, yeah. It gets even worse. They believe in a conspiracy that started pretty much with Lincoln to destroy the country from within. Most of our presidents since then, both Republican and Democrats, have been party of a plot to destroy the country.

253 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:03:30pm

re: #226 Filala

Just curious now, what is so new about leftist ideas? If you think Alinsky isn't referenced anymore. Where does the ideology come from?

Are you not fucking reading anything that anyone is commenting on here over the last 50 postings... don't be a jerk...

"

254 Racer X  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:03:51pm

re: #247 Racer X

I think it would be funny as hell if Charles put up a chalk board on the front page and posted weird-assed shit on it each day to mock Glenn Beck.

Or better yet, posted actual screenshots of Beck's chalk board ravings.

255 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:03:52pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

See my 236. I think this is where it's coming from...

256 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:05pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder
You are a pain in my butt. I write down the books I've never heard of, but you come up with to damn many.:) I have read "The Prince".

257 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:14pm

re: #245 prairiefire

President Obama recess appoints 15 positions:[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Heh, I predicted that just earlier this morning. He's probably not going to bother much with the regular appointment process for while. It's just not worth the effort.

258 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:15pm

re: #245 prairiefire

I bet there's a wingnut response to this guy:

Islam A. Siddiqui

259 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:33pm

re: #245 prairiefire

President Obama recess appoints 15 positions:[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Can't say as I blame him.

260 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:44pm

re: #226 Filala

Just curious now, what is so new about leftist ideas? If you think Alinsky isn't referenced anymore. Where does the ideology come from?

DLC? Rahm? Axelrod? Obama?

261 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:51pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

Thank you for that support. No more than many Hebrew biblical stories can trace their roots to concepts and understandings that were already ensconced in earlier civilizations, these political machinations that Alinsky codified in his book are all based on tried and true political tactics that have been around for ages.

And really, the English politician in the Baroque period actually would have made Alinsky look like a city councilman.

i think the Torah paints a rather unique picture, put together, actually.

262 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:55pm

re: #244 Cato the Elder

Crap. Of course not. Alinsky cribbed it all from Machiavelli. All Saul did was cut the beautiful, fancy prose and make "The Prince" digestible for simpler minds.

Whatever one thinks of the people you mention, none of them are stupid. They would go straight to the source. And Machiavelli is required reading in many colleges and universities.

Alinsky is just a convenient fixation for the right.

Thanks for bringing up the Prince. As I said I don't know Alinsky's rules but when I just read them I thought , "Hmm that seems very familiar'. Could probably through a smidge of Sun Tzu in there too.

263 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:04:56pm

re: #241 wr

Yeah, too bad I used that example, maybe "Bush lied, people died"
would have been a better example.

264 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:05:25pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

2 seconds for me!!

Oh, wait. Then this is true:

Enjoy you echo chamber of irrelevance.

O:

/

265 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:05:34pm

re: #244 Cato the Elder

Crap. Of course not. Alinsky cribbed it all from Machiavelli. All Saul did was cut the beautiful, fancy prose and make "The Prince" digestible for simpler minds.

re: #246 jaunte

I think some of that Alinsky list came from Sun Tzu.

See, now I've read both Sun Tzu and Machiavelli. If they're the source of his ideas, then reading Alinsky would be redundant and useless.

266 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:05:37pm

re: #263 Filala

Too bad? That's how you acknowledge blatantly contradicting yourself?

Nobody is taking you seriously.

267 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:05:56pm

More Doctors Giving Up Private Practices

Looks like the private clinic is going the way of the family farm...

And for all the vaunted efficiencies of health care organizations, there are signs that the trend toward them is actually a big factor in the rising cost of private health insurance. In much of the country, health systems are known by another name: monopolies.

With these systems, private insurers often have little negotiating power in setting rates — and the Congressional health care legislation makes little provision for altering this dynamic. If anything, the legislation contains provisions — including efforts to combine payments for certain kinds of medical care — that may further speed the decline of the private-practice doctor and the growth of Big Medicine.

268 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:06:03pm

re: #230 Lidane

So if the ideas are over 600 years old, then how the hell is Alinsky a barometer of the current left? Wouldn't he then just be another in a long line of people who've said similar things for centuries?

And yes, you're right. I've never read Alinsky. Never felt the need to read him, either. It just never interested me at all.

Go back and read my comments on this VERY CAREFULLY. Not once in my comments was I referring to the right or the left, was I? I was commenting on the antiquity of these political concepts.

Interesting how you assumed that my comments had anything to do with a certain side.

Alinsky Rule #1 "Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have..." You're thinking I was taking sides.

269 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:06:29pm

re: #256 pingjockey

You are a pain in my butt. I write down the books I've never heard of, but you come up with to damn many.:) I have read "The Prince".

You really ought to send your esteemed tutor a present once in a while, you know. A nice edition of "The Art of War" would not go amiss.

;^)

270 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:06:44pm

U.S. could get $8 billion in Citigroup stock sale

Treasury could make huge bailout profit from second-largest stock sale in history.
271 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:07:14pm

re: #261 Aceofwhat?

i think the Torah paints a rather unique picture, put together, actually.

Wait a second... are you talking about in originality of concepts, religious and secular? You really don't mean that, do you.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:07:26pm

re: #255 JoyousMN

See my 236. I think this is where it's coming from...

Oh, I get where it's coming from. I'm just seeing if I can encourage some examination of received wisdom. ;)

273 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:07:51pm

Instead of tu quoque, today for lunch I think I'll have Filala of Panda.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:07:54pm

re: #256 pingjockey

You are a pain in my butt. I write down the books I've never heard of, but you come up with to damn many.:) I have read "The Prince".

I had to read Machiavelli in college. I haven't been back since. Maybe this summer...

275 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:08:15pm

re: #206 Filala

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible

Especially rule 11. ie: The EVIL Pharmaceutical Companies trying to gouge the poor patient.

No. Rule number 11 would imply, for example, George Soros or Karl Rove.

276 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:08:21pm

re: #245 prairiefire

President Obama recess appoints 15 positions:[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

I remember when Bush did the same thing several years ago. IIRC, the recess appointments are temporary, so Obama would still have to go through Congress to get his appointments set. I could be wrong on that, though. It doesn't matter anyways, the right will still throw a fit about it, conveniently ignoring that Bush did the same thing.

277 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:01pm

re: #265 Lidane

See, now I've read both Sun Tzu and Machiavelli. If they're the source of his ideas, then reading Alinsky would be redundant and useless.

Well, he does boil it all down into lists. But a flexible aspirant to power should not get stuck on lists. So he's worse than useless, he's a positive hindrance.

278 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:08pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I get where it's coming from. I'm just seeing if I can encourage some examination of received wisdom. ;)

Oh, sorry. This was all new to me. I've got to get out and around more...

279 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:09pm

re: #5 Cato the Elder
OK. I do appreciate the folks here that bring up authors I've never heard of and have a relevance to what is going on. I read the Art of War in 1984 while stationed in Rhode Island. The Naval War college has an awesome library and my dept. head told me about it.

280 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:15pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

Alinsky Rule #1 "Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have..."


To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
-- Sun Tzu

281 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:20pm

Errands. BBIAB.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:27pm

re: #263 Filala

re: #241 wr

Yeah, too bad I used that example, maybe "Bush lied, people died"
would have been a better example.

Because, Lord know, no group of protesters could possibly come up with a snappy rhyming slogan without having read Alinsky!

283 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:44pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't assuming that your comment had anything to do with a particular side.

I might have phrased it better, but what I was asking is if the ideas that Alinsky wrote about have their roots in older ideas that go back for centuries, then how can Filala's "point" that he's a barometer of how the current left thinks apply. If his ideas are that universal, then using him as a way to stereotype a particular political side makes no sense.

284 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:48pm

I agree that the left may have used Alinsky's (or whoever's) tactics but doesn't anyone in power use at least some of those tactics? Just because Alinsky was on the left doesn't mean that the right can't use his tactics to great effect.

285 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:09:55pm

re: #277 Cato the Elder

Well, he does boil it all down into lists. But a flexible aspirant to power should not get stuck on lists. So he's worse than useless, he's a positive hindrance.

Jacob makes a lot of lists. He's looking for the right Candidate.

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:10:23pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

Because, Lord know, no group of protesters could possibly come up with a snappy rhyming slogan without having read Alinsky!

Do any come up with slogans that don't suck?
/

287 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:10:28pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist
Yours truly never went to college. Have taken a bunch of college classes here and there.

288 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:10:40pm

re: #273 wrenchwench

Instead of tu quoque, today for lunch I think I'll have Filala of Panda.

I'm have fried Filala instead of falafel.

289 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:10:52pm

re: #283 Lidane

I wasn't assuming that your comment had anything to do with a particular side.

I might have phrased it better, but what I was asking is if the ideas that Alinsky wrote about have their roots in older ideas that go back for centuries, then how can Filala's "point" that he's a barometer of how the current left thinks apply. If his ideas are that universal, then using him as a way to stereotype a particular political side makes no sense.

Well, take that up with Filala, not me. You presented that view to me. Why?

290 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:11:47pm

BBIAB

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:12:19pm

re: #276 commadore183

I remember when Bush did the same thing several years ago. IIRC, the recess appointments are temporary, so Obama would still have to go through Congress to get his appointments set. I could be wrong on that, though. It doesn't matter anyways, the right will still throw a fit about it, conveniently ignoring that Bush did the same thing.

Was there much of an outcry from the unhinged opposition over Bush's appointments? I don't remember it, but I can't read moonbatty sites--I'm allergic--so I could easily have missed a lot.

292 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:12:36pm

re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do any come up with slogans that don't suck?
/

"One, two, three, four
Leftist rebels win the war!
Five, six, seven, eight
Nothing to negotiate!"
--heard at a big "U.S. Out Of El Salvador" rally, Washington, DC, early 80s

293 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:12:48pm

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

Well, take that up with Filala, not me. You presented that view to me. Why?

Dunno. Guess I got stuck on the notion that the ideas that Alinsky articulates go back centuries and I figured I'd ask.

294 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:13:02pm

Yardwork, cya.

295 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:13:04pm

Once again:

Prime Minister's Question Time, with British muppets.

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:13:08pm

re: #278 JoyousMN

Oh, sorry. This was all new to me. I've got to get out and around more...

No, no problem. The Alinsky thing is one of the more bizarre subplots of our troubled times. I'm just poking a little.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:14:28pm

re: #284 euphgeek

I agree that the left may have used Alinsky's (or whoever's) tactics but doesn't anyone in power use at least some of those tactics? Just because Alinsky was on the left doesn't mean that the right can't use his tactics to great effect.

And they do! Because now that no one on the left remembers Alinsky, he has found a renaissance as the guru of the fringe right.

I hope that this is enlivening, rather than spoiling, the man's afterlife.

298 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:14:34pm

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Wait a second... are you talking about in originality of concepts, religious and secular? You really don't mean that, do you.

absolutely!

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:16:07pm

re: #287 pingjockey

Yours truly never went to college. Have taken a bunch of college classes here and there.

My parents, who spent a lot of money getting me through, would probably slap me, but honestly, you didn't miss so much.

Well, my last two years were cool. But mostly because of people, not academics.

300 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:16:26pm

re: #293 Lidane

Dunno. Guess I got stuck on the notion that the ideas that Alinsky articulates go back centuries and I figured I'd ask.

I'm sorry. I was simply adding some historical information to the discussion, some background for the idea of Alinsky. I wasn't saying one side or the other was making a conscience use of these principles or not, that wasn't the thrust of my comment, and I really don't care. Politics is the art of the possible, that's the goal and the is various concepts and techniques that political creatures use to reach their goal, it's like breathing, some subtle and some not so subtle.

All I was saying to you is my comments was not a right or left issue.

301 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:16:46pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn't mean the outcry part of that, just that I remember Bush doing the recess appointments. I can't specifically recall and real outrage over it from the Democrats (I'm sure there were plenty of moonbats that were up in arms over it, but that's a given), but my memory has never been good about the minor details of an event.

302 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:17:01pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

Was there much of an outcry from the unhinged opposition over Bush's appointments? I don't remember it, but I can't read moonbatty sites--I'm allergic--so I could easily have missed a lot.

yep

303 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:17:25pm

re: #292 The Sanity Inspector

"One, two, three, four
Leftist rebels win the war!
Five, six, seven, eight
Nothing to negotiate!"
--heard at a big "U.S. Out Of El Salvador" rally, Washington, DC, early 80s

I like this chant, it's catchy when crowds get going with it.

Ain't no power like the power of the people cause the power of the people don't stop...Say what?...Ain't no power like the power of the people cause the power of the people don't stop... Say what?....

Completely non-partisan to if people so desire. It can fit with pretty much any rally.

304 jvic  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:17:36pm
Various members of the DNC...<snip>...called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”

I'm not "your" citizen lumpenprole, you sanctimonious hypocritical (*deleted*).

305 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:17:46pm

re: #300 Walter L. Newton

Fair enough. I went back and re-read it all again. I understand what you were saying now. :)

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:17:56pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

yep

Well, the wheel has swung around. Here we go again.

307 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Pretty much, yeah. It gets even worse. They believe in a conspiracy that started pretty much with Lincoln to destroy the country from within. Most of our presidents since then, both Republican and Democrats, have been party of a plot to destroy the country.

Holy crap! 200 years and this is as far as they've gotten?
Must be the most ineffective conspiracy ever!

308 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:18:09pm

re: #303 Jadespring

I like this chant, it's catchy when crowds get going with it.

Ain't no power like the power of the people cause the power of the people don't stop...Say what?...Ain't no power like the power of the people cause the power of the people don't stop... Say what?...

Completely non-partisan to if people so desire. It can fit with pretty much any rally.

...but west coast parties are way more fun//

309 Pythagoras  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:18:33pm

Thanks you Charles for telling the whole truth. I find that in few places.

310 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:18:43pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, there was a hue and cry on the left.
Bolton was a recess appt. More from the Washington Post:[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

311 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:18:43pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the wheel has swung around. Here we go again.

agree completely. chances that everyone will realize it and just shut up?

zilch...

312 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:20:31pm

re: #309 Pythagoras

Thanks you Charles for telling the whole truth. I find that in few places.

Oh, Thaggy, you're such a hypotenuse.

313 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:20:33pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

Oh yes. I was one of them. Of course, now that's it's my guy doing it it's fine.

//(can you snark against yourself?)(I guess you can)

314 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:20:35pm

re: #301 commadore183

I didn't mean the outcry part of that, just that I remember Bush doing the recess appointments. I can't specifically recall and real outrage over it from the Democrats (I'm sure there were plenty of moonbats that were up in arms over it, but that's a given), but my memory has never been good about the minor details of an event.

I think Bolton was a recess appointment and the Dems were not pleased.

315 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:20:40pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

absolutely!

And the "Torah paints a rather unique picture." You must be kidding? One of the major sections of the 5 books are the laws, which are historically based on much of the legal structures that Hammurabi penned. The creations stories (yes, there are two) had a definate literary dependance on the Gilgamesh saga... and I could go on and on.

This is textual criticism facts, a science, not beliefs.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:20:59pm

re: #309 Pythagoras

Thanks you Charles for telling the whole truth. I find that in few places.

That is why so many like it here.

317 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:21:03pm

re: #309 Pythagoras

Thanks you Charles for telling the whole truth. I find that in few places.

What's your angle?
/

318 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:22:02pm

bbiab

319 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:22:30pm

re: #317 HoosierHoops

What's your angle?
/

Let's not go off into a tangent.

/

320 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:22:43pm

OT-is registration here still limited? I don't see the open door posts any more.

321 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:23:26pm

re: #319 Gus 802

Let's not go off into a tangent.

/

Don't be obtuse.

/

322 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:23:27pm

re: #319 Gus 802

Let's not go off into a tangent.

/

Churchill said once..'It's all a matter of degrees'

323 KingKenrod  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:23:29pm

re: #276 commadore183

I remember when Bush did the same thing several years ago. IIRC, the recess appointments are temporary, so Obama would still have to go through Congress to get his appointments set. I could be wrong on that, though. It doesn't matter anyways, the right will still throw a fit about it, conveniently ignoring that Bush did the same thing.

Yes, and the Democrats whined about it when Bush did it, particularly John Bolton. And before that, Pres. Clinton also made recess appointments (a gay ambassador), and the GOP whined about that.

324 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:24:11pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Churchill said once..'It's all a matter of degrees'

He just didn't want to be cornered.

325 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:24:25pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Churchill said once..'It's all a matter of degrees'

Pythagoras is a square.

326 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:24:46pm

re: #313 JoyousMN

Oh yes. I was one of them. Of course, now that's it's my guy doing it it's fine.

//(can you snark against yourself?)(I guess you can)

and get updinged for it as well!

327 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:25:18pm

re: #324 wrenchwench

He just didn't want to be cornered.

Being cornered us usually a bad sine.

328 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:25:34pm

re: #327 Gus 802

Being cornered us is usually a bad sine.

329 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:25:38pm

re: #325 Cato the Elder

Pythagoras is a square.

Well, he was around a long time ago.

330 swamprat  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:26:35pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Churchill said once..'It's all a matter of degrees'


He also said; I may be drunk, and you may be ugly; But in the morning, madam, I shall be sober!

331 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:26:36pm

re: #328 Gus 802

Why did you go off tangent?
I knew you'd take the opposite angle

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:28:35pm

Did Filala go away?

333 LauraNo  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:28:36pm

I see a political advantage to the GOP in signing it. That is the outside chance that it prevents some awful bit of violence. For which they will surely be blamed, might as well cover their butts.

334 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:28:53pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

Well, he was around a long time ago.

Don't take any of this personally, Pythagoras. You're the apex.

335 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:29:22pm

re: #333 LauraNo

Welcome, hatchling.

336 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:29:37pm

I have Batman Begins on right now in the background.

I've just had an epiphany after watching for a bit.

I think Batman must have read Alinsky too.

337 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:30:13pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Did Filala go away?

I think she was embarrassed by the horrible formatting of her last comment.

338 webevintage  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:30:17pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL!!!

HAHAHAHHAA!!!

YOU, win the internet today.

339 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:30:24pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

And the "Torah paints a rather unique picture." You must be kidding? One of the major sections of the 5 books are the laws, which are historically based on much of the legal structures that Hammurabi penned. The creations stories (yes, there are two) had a definate literary dependance on the Gilgamesh saga... and I could go on and on.

This is textual criticism facts, a science, not beliefs.

IIRC, the flood story and the Gilgamesh saga are often referenced in common, but not the creation story? And there is one creation story and one summary, not two contradictory stories. One of the stories, IIRC, was not written in a manner designed to be read in a temporal fashion.

340 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:31:41pm

re: #333 LauraNo

I see a political advantage to the GOP in signing it. That is the outside chance that it prevents some awful bit of violence. For which they will surely be blamed, might as well cover their butts.

Hi..My name is the Hoopster..I'll be waiting on you tonight..
What would like to drink?
*welcome*

341 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:32:34pm

re: #333 LauraNo

I see a political advantage to the GOP in signing it. That is the outside chance that it prevents some awful bit of violence. For which they will surely be blamed, might as well cover their butts.

True, but signing something the Democrats put together would give the Dems the power. Better for them to just make up their own thing and have their own members sign it.

342 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:34:04pm

re: #339 Aceofwhat?

IIRC, the flood story and the Gilgamesh saga are often referenced in common, but not the creation story? And there is one creation story and one summary, not two contradictory stories. One of the stories, IIRC, was not written in a manner designed to be read in a temporal fashion.

There are two stories, written at different times, in different styles, with different vocabularies and even different words for "God". They were later redacted into one, supposedly. But you can still see the seams.

The smoothing over of exegesis and interpretation came later, and still proceeds today.

You don't want to argue text criticism with Walter, believe me. He'll expel you from the Garden.

343 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:34:35pm

re: #340 HoosierHoops

Hi..My name is the Hoopster..I'll be waiting on you tonight..
What would like to drink?
*welcome*

Waiter, there is too much pepper on my paprikash!

/

344 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:34:36pm

re: #340 HoosierHoops

Hi..My name is the Hoopster..I'll be waiting on you tonight..
What would like to drink?
*welcome*

gin, tonic, lime. duh.

345 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:35:18pm

re: #342 Cato the Elder

There are two stories, written at different times, in different styles, with different vocabularies and even different words for "God". They were later redacted into one, supposedly. But you can still see the seams.

The smoothing over of exegesis and interpretation came later, and still proceeds today.

You don't want to argue text criticism with Walter, believe me. He'll expel you from the Garden.

how will i get better if i don't argue with my betters?

346 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:35:41pm

re: #344 Aceofwhat?

gin, tonic, lime. duh.

GET OUT!
/

347 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:35:49pm

re: #326 Aceofwhat?

and get updinged for it as well!

thanks!

348 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:36:23pm

If there is one thing we can all get behind, I say it's Butler.

Go Butler!

349 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:37:20pm

re: #348 RogueOne

If there is one thing we can all get behind, I say it's Butler.

Go Butler!

Go Butler!

350 Filala  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:38:16pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

No, still here but having a tough time with my computer.

351 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:38:17pm

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Go Butler!

Go Butler!

Who's Butler?

Second the G&T dbl squeeze of lime, please

352 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:39:09pm

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

how will i get better if i don't argue with my betters?

Cato aptly filled in the gaps... All in all there are at least 4 textaul strands, probably 4 authors of a lot of Torah, then combined, redacted over the ages...

The Jahwist (or J) - written c 950 BCE.[10] The southern kingdom's (i.e. Judah) interpretation. It is named according to the prolific use of the name "Yahweh" (or Jaweh, in German, the divine name or Tetragrammaton) in its text.

The Elohist (or E) - written c 850 BCE.[10] The northern kingdom's (i.e. Israel) interpretation. As above, it is named because of its preferred use of "Elohim" (a generic title used to describe a god, God, or gods).

The Deuteronomist (or D) - written c 650-621 BCE.[10] Dating specifically from the time of King Josiah of Judah and responsible for the book of Deuteronomy as well as Joshua and most of the subsequent books up to 2 Kings.

The Priestly source (or P) - written during or after the exile, c 550-400 BCE.[10] So named because of its focus on Levitical laws.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

353 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:39:49pm

re: #340 HoosierHoops

Hi..My name is the Hoopster..I'll be waiting on you tonight..
What would like to drink?
*welcome*

A Defenseman, please. Two measures of milksop, one measure of hundred-proof, distilled cowardice, shaken, not stirred, and topped with a dash of cyanide.

354 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:40:12pm

re: #351 JoyousMN

Go Butler!

Who's Butler?

Second the G&T dbl squeeze of lime, please

Thank you. some of these vodka folks need to have the taste to partake of a spirit with taste...

355 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:42:22pm

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

Yes, agreed. Taken together, it's a quite original view of God.

356 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:42:28pm

re: #341 euphgeek

True, but signing something the Democrats put together would give the Dems the power. Better for them to just make up their own thing and have their own members sign it.

Or, instead of coming out with a written civility statement at all, have someone in the GOP -- an elected official, preferably in Congress, and who isn't retiring -- stand up and be a statesman, denouncing all of the vandalism and threats, and calling them unacceptable.

No finding equivalence on the left, no groveling to Beck or Limbaugh when they inevitably whine about it, no nothing. Just say look, we can play back and forth all day and try to find examples of Democrats or liberals doing X, Y and Z to justify or excuse what's going on, but that doesn't change the fact that these actions are wrong, this rhetoric is overheated and unwise, and people need to tone it down several notches before someone gets hurt for real.

I think anyone who does that in an unequivocal way would go a long way towards trying to bridge the gap between both sides.

357 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:43:36pm

re: #356 Lidane

didn't Boehner do that right away, though?

358 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:43:42pm

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

how will i get better if i don't argue with my betters?

Seriously...
I was talking to Ludwig the other night about chess...We were having fun trash talking when he posted about using Bishops as dragons on the board..
I went whoa.. maybe .000001% of people know the theory of doing that..
I'm going to be very careful talking to him about chess from now on..
psst..No more trash talking Ludwig about chess.
*wink*

359 William of Orange  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:45:55pm

And there you have your definition of a Catch 22.

Either way, you're screwed.

360 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:46:22pm

re: #342 Cato the Elder

There are two stories, written at different times, in different styles, with different vocabularies and even different words for "God". They were later redacted into one, supposedly. But you can still see the seams.

The smoothing over of exegesis and interpretation came later, and still proceeds today.

You don't want to argue text criticism with Walter, believe me. He'll expel you from the Garden.

Let me clarify. I am not a textual expert. I have a bit more general knowledge than the average person, more than enough to guide someone to the more detailed layers of biblical textual criticism, but I certainly am not equipped to argue with someone who is versed in the finer points of Hebrew or Greek.

361 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:46:36pm

re: #357 Aceofwhat?

No. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[Link: www.indecisionforever.com...]

362 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:46:39pm

re: #357 Aceofwhat?

didn't Boehner do that right away, though?

He started to, only to start pulling the equivalency card. That rendered what he said utterly useless.

I think someone should just say that across the board, no matter who does it, and no matter what has happened in the past, these threats and acts of vandalism and all the apocalyptic talk is wrong. Period.

363 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:46:45pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

Seriously...
I was talking to Ludwig the other night about chess...We were having fun trash talking when he posted about using Bishops as dragons on the board..
I went whoa.. maybe .000001% of people know the theory of doing that..
I'm going to be very careful talking to him about chess from now on..
psst..No more trash talking Ludwig about chess.
*wink*

heh. i have a bit of a...chemical imbalance. one of the downsides is that i'm really bad at chess. i forget that you've placed a piece in a particular spot after a few turns and give something away through sheer absentmindedness...

gotta know your weaknesses, you know?

364 Cato the Elder  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:46:51pm

re: #353 Cato the Elder

A Defenseman, please. Two measures of milksop, one measure of hundred-proof, distilled cowardice, shaken, not stirred, and topped with a dash of cyanide.

Hold on, Hoops. On second thought, I believe I'll have a Vesper.

James Bond: Wait... three measures of Gordon's; one of vodka; half a measure of Kina Lillet. Shake it over ice, and add a thin slice of lemon peel.
[...]
James Bond: I think I'll call it a Vesper.
Vesper Lynd: Because of the bitter aftertaste?
James Bond: No, because once you've tasted it, that's all you want to drink.

365 Gus  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:48:25pm

re: #364 Cato the Elder

Don't take the elevator!

/

366 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:48:26pm

re: #356 Lidane

Good idea, but spoken statements tend to be retracted, as you pointed out, when people like Beck and Limbaugh complain about it. Either that or the speaker is denounced and/or fired from their position. Better to have all of the GOP sign onto it and then have a spokesman announce it.

367 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:49:15pm

re: #361 Obdicut

No. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[Link: www.indecisionforever.com...]

Pelosi was careful to avoid blaming Republicans directly for inciting the harassment, though she said that words "weigh a ton." Such threats of retaliation "have no place in a civil debate in our country," she said.

Boehner followed moments later. While many are angry over the health care measure, he said, "threats and violence should not be part of a political debate."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

seemed pretty clear and vanilla to me...

368 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:50:24pm

re: #362 Lidane

He started to, only to start pulling the equivalency card. That rendered what he said utterly useless.

I think someone should just say that across the board, no matter who does it, and no matter what has happened in the past, these threats and acts of vandalism and all the apocalyptic talk is wrong. Period.

threats & vandalism are crimes... apocalyptic talk? not so much, but 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

369 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:51:25pm

re: #366 euphgeek

Good idea, but spoken statements tend to be retracted, as you pointed out, when people like Beck and Limbaugh complain about it. Either that or the speaker is denounced and/or fired from their position. Better to have all of the GOP sign onto it and then have a spokesman announce it.

What does signing some document or statement accomplish that a public statement by the head of this or that doesn't? Id some nut case for the hills of "__________" comes out of the woodwork and shoots something up, or someone(s) up, not signed anything is going to change what happened or distance anyone from what happens.

370 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:51:57pm

re: #367 Aceofwhat?

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

The first thing he did when asked about the threats to members of Congress was play the "Democrats were mean to Bush" card. That made his statements before that meaningless.

What good is it to condemn something, only to turn around and offer an excuse for it right after the fact? That makes no sense.

371 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:52:15pm

re: #363 Aceofwhat?

heh. i have a bit of a...chemical imbalance. one of the downsides is that i'm really bad at chess. i forget that you've placed a piece in a particular spot after a few turns and give something away through sheer absentmindedness...

gotta know your weaknesses, you know?


To play defense.. Black
Never leave a piece unprotected...If it attacked once..protect it twice..if it is attacked twice..protect it thrice..
It drives people mad...

372 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:54:55pm

re: #368 brookly red

I never said that apocalyptic talk was a crime. I said it was wrong. There's a difference.

It doesn't do anyone on any side any favors when people like Beck are saying that current events are like 9/11 but without the collapsing buildings, or that Armageddon is nigh because HCR passed. That just throws gasoline on the fire and makes any reasonable discussion impossible.

373 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:55:16pm

Game over. Kansas looks wiped out. I'm calling it now, someone tell the NCAA.

374 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:55:52pm

re: #363 Aceofwhat?

heh. i have a bit of a...chemical imbalance. one of the downsides is that i'm really bad at chess. i forget that you've placed a piece in a particular spot after a few turns and give something away through sheer absentmindedness...

gotta know your weaknesses, you know?

Try backgammon... I find it to be a more down and dirty game. Find the book "Backgammon for Blood" which is a playing strategy... if you use it you'll never consider backgammon to be a calm simple game again.

It's a lot like poker, having both a element of chance, and then you using the best strategy with the chance you have been given. It's cutthroat if played correctly.

375 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:55:55pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

What does signing some document or statement accomplish that a public statement by the head of this or that doesn't? Id some nut case for the hills of "___" comes out of the woodwork and shoots something up, or someone(s) up, not signed anything is going to change what happened or distance anyone from what happens.

It simply makes it harder to retract or denounce when your own John Hancock is on the statement. I agree it will not stop people who really want to cause harm and perhaps the GOP is a little too close to completely distance themselves from possible future violence but it would still be a step in the right direction at least.

376 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:56:26pm

re: #373 RogueOne

Game over. Kansas looks wiped out. I'm calling it now, someone tell the NCAA.

I'm not sure yet..Let's wait till halftime

377 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:56:44pm

re: #370 Lidane

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

The first thing he did when asked about the threats to members of Congress was play the "Democrats were mean to Bush" card. That made his statements before that meaningless.

What good is it to condemn something, only to turn around and offer an excuse for it right after the fact? That makes no sense.

beats me. context is key. once condemned, further outrage can feel like faux outrage, which can invite comparisons to prior incidents. i'm not saying that's what he did - i'm just saying that if a simple condemnation would have ended it, then a simple condemnation would have ended it.

catch my drift?

378 blueraven  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:58:09pm

re: #190 Filala

No way, I just read it to get an idea of how the left thinks.

You and Glenn Beck should really step away from the 60s and into the 21st century. Living in the past is so not healthy.

379 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:58:34pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

Try backgammon... I find it to be a more down and dirty game. Find the book "Backgammon for Blood" which is a playing strategy... if you use it you'll never consider backgammon to be a calm simple game again.

It's a lot like poker, having both a element of chance, and then you using the best strategy with the chance you have been given. It's cutthroat if played correctly.

great call. i love backgammon.

and i gotta go...chess on a tennis court > chess on a chessboard any day, and my brother is in town so we're off to play tennis.

ciao, good people-

380 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:58:38pm

re: #377 Aceofwhat?

I see what you're saying. I just wish there was a real statesman on the right who'd say to hell with their political career or with playing nice with the likes of Limbaugh and Beck and just lay it all out there. It would be nice.

381 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:59:03pm

re: #372 Lidane

I never said that apocalyptic talk was a crime. I said it was wrong. There's a difference.

It doesn't do anyone on any side any favors when people like Beck are saying that current events are like 9/11 but without the collapsing buildings, or that Armageddon is nigh because HCR passed. That just throws gasoline on the fire and makes any reasonable discussion impossible.

Well one man's apocalyptic talk is another man's inconvenient truth... I am OK with talk as long as no laws are broken, but hey that's just me.

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 1:59:12pm

re: #362 Lidane

He started to, only to start pulling the equivalency card. That rendered what he said utterly useless.

I think someone should just say that across the board, no matter who does it, and no matter what has happened in the past, these threats and acts of vandalism and all the apocalyptic talk is wrong. Period.

The problem I've got with all of this is that I feel as though they're all building up layers of indifference and deniability for when and if things do go badly wrong.

I was really bothered by what Scott Brown said after the guy flew the plane into the IRS building--yes, terrible tragedy, now, what I'm in Washington to do is make sure people won't feel so alienated, blah, blah.

383 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:00:35pm

re: #375 euphgeek

It simply makes it harder to retract or denounce when your own John Hancock is on the statement. I agree it will not stop people who really want to cause harm and perhaps the GOP is a little too close to completely distance themselves from possible future violence but it would still be a step in the right direction at least.

Oh come on now... this is the fucking 21st century. Anyone making any sort of public statement will have his/her words embedded in all sorts of media for perpetuity... how does a fucking signature and a piece of paper make it any more valid.

You don't believe an article or an essay or something written on the internet because there is not a physical signature attached to it?

You are being disingenuous on purpose and very transparent.

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:00:51pm

re: #372 Lidane

I never said that apocalyptic talk was a crime. I said it was wrong. There's a difference.

BINGO.

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:01:14pm

I am, by and large, pretty civil. I've never signed a statement saying I would be civil. Just kind of happens.

386 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:01:32pm

re: #385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am, by and large, pretty civil. I've never signed a statement saying I would be civil. Just kind of happens.

And cuddly.

387 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:01:45pm

re: #367 Aceofwhat?

Okay then.

Boehner said if Driehaus voted for the bill ""the Catholics will run him out of town. He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the West Side of Cincinnati."


Also:


If we pass this bill, there will be no turning back. It will be the last straw for he American people. In a democracy, you can only ignore the will of the people for so long and get away with it. If we defy the will of our fellow citizens and pass this bill, we will be held to account by those who have placed their trust in us. We will have shattered those bonds of trust.
I beg of you – each and every one of you on both sides of the aisle:
Do not further strike at the heart of this country and this institution with arrogance, for surely you will not strike with impunity.
388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:02:10pm

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Well, yeah... but I did sign a "cuddly" agreement.

389 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:02:14pm

re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist

BINGO.

now there's a fun game

390 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:02:52pm

re: #382 SanFranciscoZionist

I was really bothered by what Scott Brown said after the guy flew the plane into the IRS building--yes, terrible tragedy, now, what I'm in Washington to do is make sure people won't feel so alienated, blah, blah.

Oy. Don't even get me started on that IRS guy. If he'd decided to go after the FBI, he would have hit the building next door instead, which houses a satellite campus of my alma mater. I've been to both buildings here in Austin, and know people in them. I'm the farthest thing from objective when it comes to that case. All that talk with politicians trying to rationalize or excuse what that guy did infuriated me.

391 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:03:45pm

First 'civility statements'...next 'Fairness Doctrine'...

/

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:04:28pm

Also, you know, if you sign someone else's civility agreement, you are saying that you will accept their definition of civility.

393 Pythagoras  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:04:28pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

Oh, Thaggy, you're such a hypotenuse.

20,21,29

394 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:05:29pm

re: #391 Oh no...Sand People!

'Fairness Doctrine'...

Exceeded in boogie man status only by the threat to the 2nd amendment the current administration is posing.

395 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:06:09pm

re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also, you know, if you sign someone else's civility agreement, you are saying that you will accept their definition of civility.

Civility according to the "New Doublespeak Dictionary": n. 1. To have no further dialogue on any upcoming bills. 2. Vote lockstep with us. 3. No talking.
//

396 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:06:12pm

re: #391 Oh no...Sand People!

First 'civility statements'...next 'Fairness Doctrine'...

/

civility statements?, how about just keeping campaign promises to start with.

397 Pythagoras  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:07:12pm

re: #317 HoosierHoops

What's your angle?
/

Pi/2

By the way, here's a question with an amazing answer -- what's i to the i power?

398 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:07:16pm

re: #381 brookly red

Well one man's apocalyptic talk is another man's inconvenient truth... I am OK with talk as long as no laws are broken, but hey that's just me.

Comments like that are setting the stage for Armageddon. Destruction to the extent that you could hardly imagine.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

399 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #396 brookly red

civility statements?, how about just keeping campaign promises to start with.

But then we wouldn't have politics! What would a lizard do without blood pressure maxing out at 400 over 320?

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:07:34pm

re: #395 Oh no...Sand People!

Civility according to the "New Doublespeak Dictionary": n. 1. To have no further dialogue on any upcoming bills. 2. Vote lockstep with us. 3. No talking.
//

Purdy much...

401 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:07:45pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Isn't Google amazing?

402 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:09:10pm

re: #399 Oh no...Sand People!

But then we wouldn't have politics! What would a lizard do without blood pressure maxing out at 400 over 320?

crank?

403 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:09:23pm

re: #354 Aceofwhat?

Thank you. some of these vodka folks need to have the taste to partake of a spirit with taste...

Thank you. There is no such thing as a "Vodka Martini". It is a vodka drink. A Martini contains gin, as little dry vermouth as you desire (Mine are so arid as to be declared disaster areas.) and a green olive. If you replace the olive with a pickled onion, it is a Gibson.

There is only one type of Martini, dammit.

(curmudgeon mode off)

404 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:09:25pm

re: #399 Oh no...Sand People!

But then we wouldn't have politics! What would a lizard do without blood pressure maxing out at 400 over 320?

I have naturally low blood pressure. I use politics as a way to keep from passing out at random intervals during the day.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:09:58pm

re: #403 austin_blue

Apple-tini?

406 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:10:22pm

re: #394 bratwurst

Exceeded in boogie man status only by the threat to the 2nd amendment the current administration is posing.

I don't know, I'm thinking the Alinsky stuff referenced earlier might even beat that. Talking the writing of a leftist from 40 years ago as the road map for how the left has plotted the government takeover using ACORN to further our devious plotting. Then throw in the plot from birth (in Nigeria) to elect Obama and you've got a whole new taste treat.

407 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:10:56pm

re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist

I have naturally low blood pressure. I use politics as a way to keep from passing out at random intervals during the day.

Me too. If I get stressed my BP hits most peoples normal range.

408 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:11:06pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or the Chocolate ones >>>

Open your mind, Mr. Blue!

409 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:11:39pm

re: #383 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on now... this is the fucking 21st century. Anyone making any sort of public statement will have his/her words embedded in all sorts of media for perpetuity... how does a fucking signature and a piece of paper make it any more valid.

You don't believe an article or an essay or something written on the internet because there is not a physical signature attached to it?

You are being disingenuous on purpose and very transparent.

Now you're reading things into what I said, which makes you pretty disingenuous yourself. I suppose you forgot about Michael Steele's "Rush is just an entertainer" comment that he ended up retracting? How well did having his words embedded in the media for perpetuity work out then? How quickly was David Frum fired from his job for telling the truth about the GOP?

Maybe I'm being naive in thinking that a physical signed statement would carry more weight and if you think so, just say so. I was being sincere. Even though I'm a left-winger, I genuinely want to have a credible opposition. That's how this country functions.

410 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:11:43pm

re: #403 austin_blue

I have the same issue with the phrase "dry sauna". A steam room is a steam room, a sauna is a sauna, dammit!

411 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:11:43pm

re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist

I have naturally low blood pressure. I use politics as a way to keep from passing out at random intervals during the day.

Heh. Serenity can be lethal.

412 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:11:43pm

re: #407 Jadespring

You guys get Postural hypotension? You know where you almost pass out from standing up too fast?

413 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:11:54pm

re: #403 austin_blue

There is only one type of Martini, dammit.

Cosmo?
Mexican Martini?
Appletini?

414 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:12:49pm

re: #403 austin_blue

I like my martinis made with Grey Goose. I like Absolut too, but not quite as much.

415 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:12:59pm

re: #394 bratwurst

Exceeded in boogie man status only by the threat to the 2nd amendment the current administration is posing.

I think that depends were you stand on the 2nd amendment.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:13:09pm

re: #413 Lidane

Cosmo?
Mexican Martini?
Appletini?

tini-wini-yellow polka dot bikini?

417 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:13:40pm

re: #396 brookly red

civility statements?, how about just keeping campaign promises to start with.

bugger thee!

418 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:13:58pm

re: #403 austin_blue

Thank you. There is no such thing as a "Vodka Martini". It is a vodka drink. A Martini contains gin, as little dry vermouth as you desire (Mine are so arid as to be declared disaster areas.) and a green olive. If you replace the olive with a pickled onion, it is a Gibson.

There is only one type of Martini, dammit.

(curmudgeon mode off)

It's starts with defiling martinis & next thing you know, fruit on pizza.

419 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:02pm

re: #415 Lateralis

I know right? Those damn socialists are always trying to take away our guns so we can't revolt when they seize the means of production!

420 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:32pm

re: #401 Spare O'Lake

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Isn't Google amazing?

yup..But google can't help you play it...If you can't play a complex middle game..You are dead..I would never play it in a pickup game...As Al Pacino said in the scent of a woman..' It's just too damn hard'
I stick with a Ray Lopez cause I've played it for years..And will know within 10 moves if are are fucked or if I need to run for the hills...
I learned this from somebody when I was a kid..You know why most people lose chess? They never know when to retreat..The pride of the attack.. You use that against people..They never retreat

421 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:40pm

re: #418 brookly red

*cough*tomatosafruilt,soyouhavejamonyourpizzaalready*cough*

422 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:43pm

re: #412 windsagio

You guys get Postural hypotension? You know where you almost pass out from standing up too fast?

Not often but it has happened.

Worst embarssing situation ever though: Fainting dead away when getting off the toilet, BEFORE the pants get pulled up. Happened to me in elementary school. Never lived that one down. Ey yi yi....

423 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:52pm

re: #402 brookly red

crank?

Heh, the word "Crank" always reminds me of MSTK3000 Prince of Space.

"We come from the Planet...Crankore!"

The guys, "Crank Whore!?"

heh.

For anyone who would like to watch part 1.

424 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:14:52pm

re: #414 cliffster

I like my martinis made with Grey Goose. I like Absolut too, but not quite as much.

I like my martinis dry and dirty. Those are the best. :D

re: #418 brookly red

It's starts with defiling martinis & next thing you know, fruit on pizza.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hawaiian pizza. Those are damn good.

425 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:15:29pm

re: #410 bratwurst

I have the same issue with the phrase "dry sauna". A steam room is a steam room, a sauna is a sauna, dammit!

if you don't water the rocks, you have a dry sauna

426 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:16:04pm

re: #390 Lidane

Oy. Don't even get me started on that IRS guy. If he'd decided to go after the FBI, he would have hit the building next door instead, which houses a satellite campus of my alma mater. I've been to both buildings here in Austin, and know people in them. I'm the farthest thing from objective when it comes to that case. All that talk with politicians trying to rationalize or excuse what that guy did infuriated me.

Saint Ed's! Why did you ever leave Austin. It's just gorgeous today. I'm in '04, of course, just like SEU.

427 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:16:21pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Apple-tini?

Aaaarghh!

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #412 windsagio

You guys get Postural hypotension? You know where you almost pass out from standing up too fast?

I don't, except for a touch of lightheadedness sometimes if I bounce up really fast and have been sitting cramped up.

Getting my blood pressure, however, is a three-ring circus. It begins with the nurse trying both arms and two different sizes of cuff. Then the doctor bustles in, announces that the nurse just doesn't know how to do it, and does the same procedure, and then uses an old-fashioned hand-pumped bulb cuff, twice, and then finally gets the result.

Somewhere in the middle of this, I always begin to wonder if I am, perhaps, dead, and just haven't had the sense to lie down yet.

429 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:16:45pm

re: #426 austin_blue

Saint Ed's! Why did you ever leave Austin. It's just gorgeous today. I'm in '04, of course, just like SEU.

I haven't left Austin. In fact, I can go out to my mailbox and see the St. Ed's campus. :D

430 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:16:45pm

re: #427 austin_blue

haha I feel bad for you now, 5 pages of matrini-based taunts :D

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:17:20pm

re: #415 Lateralis

I think that depends were you stand on the 2nd amendment.

I'm more concerned about the 3rd, in my daily life.

432 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:17:28pm

Martinis made with gin taste like gasoline. Martinis made with vodka are much better

433 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:17:57pm

re: #419 windsagio

I know right? Those damn socialists are always trying to take away our guns so we can't revolt when they seize the means of production!

What? Did I say anything about Socialist? I believe President Obama's voting record in Chicago would demonstrate that he is not adverse to restricting gun ownership in various ways.

434 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:18:00pm

re: #95 webevintage

echo chamber of irrelevance

That is a bit brilliant.
Maybe LGF should have rotating self deprecating sub-titles like on Balloon Juice and that could be one of them.


LGF rotating titles usually deprecate the source of the title, often a troll. So the proper version of the above referenced quote would be

Enjoy you echo chamber of irrelevance.

which maintains the grammatical incorectitudity of the statement.

435 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:18:06pm

re: #408 windsagio

Or the Chocolate ones >>>

Open your mind, Mr. Blue!

Nooooooo!! Blasphemy!!

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:19:08pm

re: #427 austin_blue

Aaaarghh!

You. Are. Welcome.

437 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:19:13pm

re: #433 Lateralis

*zoom!*

*swish!*

438 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:20:28pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't, except for a touch of lightheadedness sometimes if I bounce up really fast and have been sitting cramped up.

Getting my blood pressure, however, is a three-ring circus. It begins with the nurse trying both arms and two different sizes of cuff. Then the doctor bustles in, announces that the nurse just doesn't know how to do it, and does the same procedure, and then uses an old-fashioned hand-pumped bulb cuff, twice, and then finally gets the result.

Somewhere in the middle of this, I always begin to wonder if I am, perhaps, dead, and just haven't had the sense to lie down yet.

hypotension can be hazardous to your health...especially in a traumatic circumstance

439 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:20:36pm

re: #433 Lateralis

No, actually I will explain.

Concerns of "OH NO OBAMA IS GUNNA TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS!" are about on par with "OH NO HE'S A SOCIALIST!!!" on the silly-metter. on par at 8/10.

440 Pythagoras  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:20:42pm

OMG. BUTLER by 7 at the half and Samuels got his 3rd foul.

This could guarantee a 5 seed or lower in the championship game.

441 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:21:57pm

On a somewhat more serious note, (if you can call it that) I think traditionalists/purists can miss out on alot of amazing tastes and experiences.

442 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:22:17pm

re: #425 albusteve

if you don't water the rocks, you have a dry sauna

True dat. Pity it is so hard to find a sauna in this country that actually heated by hot rocks and is actually the prescribed 80 C (176 F). A wooden room that is only slightly warmer than my car on a summer day is NOT really a sauna.

443 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:22:20pm

Halftime
Butler is winning! If they win I'll head down the road 15 minutes to see them in the final 4 in Indy..They lose? I'm hanging here..
Go Butler!
/This is like the movie Hoosiers

444 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:22:41pm

re: #439 windsagio

No, actually I will explain.

Concerns of "OH NO OBAMA IS GUNNA TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS!" are about on par with "OH NO HE'S A SOCIALIST!!!" on the silly-metter. on par at 8/10.

that explains nothing...the issue was restriction and IL has a terrible record with regard to ownership

445 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:23:15pm

re: #414 cliffster

I like my martinis made with Grey Goose. I like Absolut too, but not quite as much.

You should try Monopolova in your VODKA DRINK. Pure potato and the best sipping (ice cold) vodka I've ever had. Cheap, too, compared to Absolut or Grey Goose.

446 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:23:29pm

re: #435 austin_blue

Nooo!! Blasphemy!!

/now can you see why civility is not an option!

447 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:23:41pm

I was out with my wife one night a little while back when the in-laws were keeping the kids. Actually, singular kid at the time. At a place called Truluck's, we were sitting in the bar, and I was dragging. The bartender said, I can fix that. Served me a drink he called a "defibrillator". Large shot of Patron, and a shot of espresso. Take half the Patron, drink down the espresso, then the rest of the Patron. That shit will get you going. I don't recommend it to replace your morning coffee though.

448 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:23:56pm

re: #439 windsagio

No, actually I will explain.

Concerns of "OH NO OBAMA IS GUNNA TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS!" are about on par with "OH NO HE'S A SOCIALIST!!!" on the silly-metter. on par at 8/10.

What the hell did that have to do with the point I was making? the Democrats in Congress will be looking for ways to restrict gun use and they won't do it by restricting ownership. It most likely will appear in high taxes on ammunition. i.e. Cigarette tax

449 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:25:04pm

re: #445 austin_blue

You should try Monopolova in your VODKA DRINK. Pure potato and the best sipping (ice cold) vodka I've ever had. Cheap, too, compared to Absolut or Grey Goose.

How do you like Tito's? Some out of towners say it tastes terrible, and that I only like it because it's local.

I'll give this Monopolova a try sometime.

450 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:25:09pm

re: #448 Lateralis

What the hell did that have to do with the point I was making? the Democrats in Congress will be looking for ways to restrict gun use and they won't do it by restricting ownership. It most likely will appear in high taxes on ammunition. i.e. Cigarette tax

When that actually happens, you will have a point. In the meantime, keep stocking up!

451 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:25:14pm

re: #443 HoosierHoops

Halftime
Butler is winning! If they win I'll head down the road 15 minutes to see them in the final 4 in Indy..They lose? I'm hanging here..
Go Butler!
/This is like the movie Hoosiers

I flipped out 2 years ago when IU didn't try to steal the Butler coach. IU deserves to continue to lose. Stupid buttholes.

452 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:25:24pm

re: #441 windsagio

On a somewhat more serious note, (if you can call it that) I think traditionalists/purists can miss out on alot of amazing tastes and experiences.

it is not the taste it is the name... if you want cream cheese with raw fish and rice fine, just don't call it sushi.

453 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:25:47pm

re: #448 Lateralis

Everyones in a good mood, I don't wanna get into a fight ;)

(Speaking of political tricks!)

I guess I'll leave it with this: My point is that gun rhetoric these days has alot more to do with political posturing (on both sides, but the Left is mostly quiet about it these days, 'cuz its a loser) than with anything actually real.

454 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:26:06pm

re: #450 bratwurst

When that actually happens, you will have a point. In the meantime, keep stocking up!

Eggzackly.

*click*, *polish*, *checks sights*.

455 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:26:08pm

re: #452 brookly red

hah excellent point :D

456 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:26:43pm

re: #452 brookly red

Man, and I almost (in jest, really!) said "Isn't martini just a shape of a glass?"

457 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:27:41pm

re: #450 bratwurst

When that actually happens, you will have a point. In the meantime, keep stocking up!

Uh oh. These two dudes came by my house the other day and said they were from Barack Obama and they were here to take my guns. I guess I shouldn't have given my guns to them.

458 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:27:42pm

re: #429 Lidane

I haven't left Austin. In fact, I can go out to my mailbox and see the St. Ed's campus. :D

Sweet, isn't it? I love this town. Been here twenty years, after I got out of the Air Force and doing international oil field work. I'm in Bouldin, so it's five minute walk to the Hike and Bike trail on the lake. 'Cue with Neighbors later today. Meat shall be consumed!

459 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:27:47pm

re: #451 RogueOne

I flipped out 2 years ago when IU didn't try to steal the Butler coach. IU deserves to continue to lose. Stupid buttholes.

I like Crean..
I think he is a good coach..Give it another year or so

460 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:28:57pm

re: #453 windsagio

Everyones in a good mood, I don't wanna get into a fight ;)

(Speaking of political tricks!)

I guess I'll leave it with this: My point is that gun rhetoric these days has alot more to do with political posturing (on both sides, but the Left is mostly quiet about it these days, 'cuz its a loser) than with anything actually real.

Chicago's firearms restrictions are not rhetorical, they are real

461 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:29:22pm

re: #457 cliffster

Uh oh. These two dudes came by my house the other day and said they were from Barack Obama and they were here to take my guns. I guess I shouldn't have given my guns to them.

/but did you remember to fill out the census while they were there?

462 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:29:56pm

re: #432 cliffster

Martinis made with gin taste like gasoline. Martinis made with vodka are much better

I will sign a statement agreeing to give up drinking gasoline.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:30:18pm

re: #457 cliffster

Uh oh. These two dudes came by my house the other day and said they were from Barack Obama and they were here to take my guns. I guess I shouldn't have given my guns to them.

Duuuuude. Now what are you going to do when they come back for your Bible and your non-hybrid seeds?

464 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:30:46pm

re: #453 windsagio

Everyones in a good mood, I don't wanna get into a fight ;)

(Speaking of political tricks!)

I guess I'll leave it with this: My point is that gun rhetoric these days has alot more to do with political posturing (on both sides, but the Left is mostly quiet about it these days, 'cuz its a loser) than with anything actually real.

I agree. Your the one that came at me with the Socialist crack. I also agree there has not been much action because congress has been focused on other issues but we will see if that holds over the next couple of years. If anything the fear has helped gun dealers sell a lot of guns and make a lot of money.

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:31:16pm

re: #448 Lateralis

What the hell did that have to do with the point I was making? the Democrats in Congress will be looking for ways to restrict gun use and they won't do it by restricting ownership. It most likely will appear in high taxes on ammunition. i.e. Cigarette tax

Hey, Lateralis is making stuff up, whee!

In other news, I just bought a Porsche 911, that's made out of crystal, oh and also it can fly, and my copilot is Bill Ayers.

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:31:43pm

re: #460 albusteve

Chicago's firearms restrictions are not rhetorical, they are real

Yes, but they're in Chicago. Large urban areas often have tight firearms regulations. Using that as an indication of what the Obama administration's gun policies will be like seems a bit dubious to me.

Or did everyone assume the Clinton administration would be really into guns because the regs in Little Rock aren't much?

467 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:31:46pm

re: #457 cliffster

Uh oh. These two dudes came by my house the other day and said they were from Barack Obama and they were here to take my guns. I guess I shouldn't have given my guns to them.

Right. The guys from bankofamerica@hotmail.com are not to be trusted either!

468 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:32:21pm

re: #441 windsagio

On a somewhat more serious note, (if you can call it that) I think traditionalists/purists can miss out on alot of amazing tastes and experiences.

Don't get me wrong, I like vodka drinks.

As Lazarus Long:

"To enjoy the full flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks."

I'll consume anything once (except for monkey brain sushi).

469 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:32:37pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

Dude, wouldn't a crystal meth Porsche melt in the rain?

on the other hand, long roadtrips would be easy, just lick the wheel >>

470 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:32:56pm

re: #447 cliffster

I'm afraid I'm going to have to try that o_o

471 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:01pm

re: #439 windsagio

No, actually I will explain.

Concerns of "OH NO OBAMA IS GUNNA TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS!" are about on par with "OH NO HE'S A SOCIALIST!!!" on the silly-metter. on par at 8/10.

Obama received a grade of F this year from the Brady anti-gun group. Not only did he not do anything to control guns, he signed legislation allowing people to carry in National Parks.

But reality never really counts.

BTW, I'm not anti gun. We own two.

472 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:02pm

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

Duuude. Now what are you going to do when they come back for your Bible and your non-hybrid seeds?

hahahaha, double upding for the non-hybrid bit. I haven't heard that one, is that a thing? I bet when the shit hits the fan, you could sneak into a home depot and swipe a few packages of the purebreed tomatoes.

473 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:08pm

re: #458 austin_blue

Sweet, isn't it? I love this town. Been here twenty years, after I got out of the Air Force and doing international oil field work. I'm in Bouldin, so it's five minute walk to the Hike and Bike trail on the lake. 'Cue with Neighbors later today. Meat shall be consumed!

Yeah, I'm not leaving. Been here since '98 after spending the previous 17 years in the hellhole known as Houston. They'd have to offer me serious cash to get me to leave Austin. I like it here too much. :)

474 Jadespring  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:12pm

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

Duuude. Now what are you going to do when they come back for your Bible and your non-hybrid seeds?

I've booby trapped my Bible and my seed stash so I'd like to see those CSFNMMACers try it.

475 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:19pm

re: #469 windsagio

Dude, wouldn't a crystal meth Porsche melt in the rain?

on the other hand, long roadtrips would be easy, just lick the wheel >>

No! Like Swarovski crystals :D THIS IS HOW I ROLL

476 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:30pm

re: #470 WindUpBird

Did you ever figure out how to make a 'garbage can'?

477 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:33:54pm

re: #471 JoyousMN

Obama received a grade of F this year from the Brady anti-gun group. Not only did he not do anything to control guns, he signed legislation allowing people to carry in National Parks.

But reality never really counts.

BTW, I'm not anti gun. We own two.

It just does keep those fundraising numbers up :D

478 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:34:02pm

re: #466 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but they're in Chicago. Large urban areas often have tight firearms regulations. Using that as an indication of what the Obama administration's gun policies will be like seems a bit dubious to me.

Or did everyone assume the Clinton administration would be really into guns because the regs in Little Rock aren't much?

I wanted to clear up the other posters obvious mis-speak....it's a state and local level issue...and with regards to BO being from Chicago etc....Chicago's ban is absolutely unConstitutional....and he knows it

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:34:15pm

re: #472 cliffster

hahahaha, double upding for the non-hybrid bit. I haven't heard that one, is that a thing? I bet when the shit hits the fan, you could sneak into a home depot and swipe a few packages of the purebreed tomatoes.

Yeah, the scary 'buy seeds for the Apocalypse' ads all emphasize the non-hybridity of their seeds. It's kind of weird. "The end is nigh! Plant heirloom vegetables!!"

480 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:34:40pm

re: #477 WindUpBird

Which is of course the point, but guns are a touchy subject :P

Even tho' most of the libs on here anyways seem to be essentially pro-gun :D

481 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:34:41pm

re: #473 Lidane

Yeah, I'm not leaving. Been here since '98 after spending the previous 17 years in the hellhole known as Houston. They'd have to offer me serious cash to get me to leave Austin. I like it here too much. :)

I have heard a lot of things about how Austin and Portland are similar!

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:34:49pm

re: #478 albusteve

I wanted to clear up the other posters obvious mis-speak...it's a state and local level issue...and with regards to BO being from Chicago etc...Chicago's ban is absolutely unConstitutional...and he knows it

He's also not the mayor of Chicago.

483 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:34:52pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

Hey, Lateralis is making stuff up, whee!

In other news, I just bought a Porsche 911, that's made out of crystal, oh and also it can fly, and my copilot is Bill Ayers.

Can you pull over. I need to get some bombs from him to add to my cache of weapons.

484 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:35:16pm

re: #447 cliffster

I was out with my wife one night a little while back when the in-laws were keeping the kids. Actually, singular kid at the time. At a place called Truluck's, we were sitting in the bar, and I was dragging. The bartender said, I can fix that. Served me a drink he called a "defibrillator". Large shot of Patron, and a shot of espresso. Take half the Patron, drink down the espresso, then the rest of the Patron. That shit will get you going. I don't recommend it to replace your morning coffee though.

You here or Big D?

485 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:35:26pm

Go K-State! Fear the beard!

486 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:35:40pm

re: #481 WindUpBird

They're both kinda the same in that they were the Second city in the region, which makes them have that certain bohemian flair.

487 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:35:45pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, the scary 'buy seeds for the Apocalypse' ads all emphasize the non-hybridity of their seeds. It's kind of weird. "The end is nigh! Plant heirloom vegetables!!"

This gourd was given to me by my grandmother, she told me to always hold it close until the Day arrived...

488 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:35:49pm

re: #471 JoyousMN

Obama received a grade of F this year from the Brady anti-gun group. Not only did he not do anything to control guns, he signed legislation allowing people to carry in National Parks.

But reality never really counts.

BTW, I'm not anti gun. We own two.

the NP bill was long overdue....a good call

489 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:36:11pm

re: #483 Oh no...Sand People!

Can you pull over. I need to get some bombs from him to add to my cache of weapons.

I'm liberal, all I have are pipe bombs :D

490 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:36:33pm

re: #485 cliffster

Go K-State! Fear the beard!

Butler is 30 minutes from here..
Go Butler!

491 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:36:34pm

re: #489 WindUpBird

I have a mortar shell!

492 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:36:43pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

Hey, Lateralis is making stuff up, whee!

In other news, I just bought a Porsche 911, that's made out of crystal, oh and also it can fly, and my copilot is Bill Ayers.

Making up what? wheee!

493 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:36:47pm

re: #484 austin_blue

You here or Big D?

A-Town. It is a great day indeed. Getting ready to go for a quick 4 mile run around Brushy Creek trail

494 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:37:18pm

re: #489 WindUpBird

I'm liberal, all I have are pipe bombs :D

re: #491 windsagio

I have a mortar shell!

Those will work.

*adds to cache*

495 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:37:21pm

re: #493 cliffster

+ for running!

496 jaunte  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:37:43pm

re: #473 Lidane

Yeah, I'm not leaving. Been here since '98 after spending the previous 17 years in the hellhole known as Houston.


Not just any city can have a Spinal Tap song for a theme:

497 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:37:56pm

re: #494 Oh no...Sand People!

admittedly, its sans-warhead. A relative got it as a keepsake from Desert Storm.

498 albusteve  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #482 SanFranciscoZionist

He's also not the mayor of Chicago.

nor a councilman or city lawyer, correct

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:37:59pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, the scary 'buy seeds for the Apocalypse' ads all emphasize the non-hybridity of their seeds. It's kind of weird. "The end is nigh! Plant heirloom vegetables!!"

Not kidding.

Really not kidding.

500 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:38:15pm

re: #487 WindUpBird

This gourd was given to me by my grandmother, she told me to always hold it close until the Day arrived...

I have a tin of original fruitcake...

501 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:38:22pm

re: #449 cliffster

How do you like Tito's? Some out of towners say it tastes terrible, and that I only like it because it's local.

I'll give this Monopolova a try sometime.

Tito's is grain spirits. It's not bad, but Monopolova is potato and smooth as silk.

502 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:39:07pm

re: #485 cliffster

Go K-State! Fear the beard!

Boo! Go Butler!

503 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:39:21pm

re: #492 Lateralis

Making up what? wheee!

The "Democrats will totally do blank and blank and blank guns ammo tax hgbmgmghg" stuff.

When you say something will happen which has not happened and which there is no evidence of it happening in the future? We call that making something up.

Personally, I think it'd be political suicide for Democrats to tax ammo in any way. And I'm pretty sure they know it as well.

504 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:39:26pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

I think its tied to the whole oldster 'I fear change!' thing.

Genetically modified sounds so scary! Like Godzilla!

505 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:40:23pm

re: #500 brookly red

I have a tin of original fruitcake...

How...original? o_o

506 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:40:29pm

re: #481 WindUpBird

I have heard a lot of things about how Austin and Portland are similar!

Funny you should mention Portland. Right before I moved here to Austin, I went to a cousin's wedding up in Portland and spent a week there. Great city. I really liked it there. Well, aside from my idiot uncles wanting to try and find a Mexican restaurant while we were there when there's perfectly good seafood to be had, but whatever. =P

I could definitely see some similarities between the two cities. The one thing I thought was weird was not being able to pump my own gas. Do they still do that?

507 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:40:30pm

re: #503 WindUpBird

Yeah, strangely enough the dems have realized that gun control is a losing case in the US. Its not just the NRA, outside of a few enclaves, almost nobody wants serious gun control.

/outside of innercity police departments that is.

508 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:41:01pm

re: #504 windsagio

I think its tied to the whole oldster 'I fear change!' thing.

Genetically modified sounds so scary! Like Godzilla!

or those mice with human ears on them! MONSTER EVIL VEGGIES

509 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:41:03pm

re: #502 RogueOne

Boo! Go Butler!

OMG! Did you see Frank Martin's locker room speech? That's motivation?
What a jerk!

510 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:41:13pm

re: #503 WindUpBird

The "Democrats will totally do blank and blank and blank guns ammo tax hgbmgmghg" stuff.

When you say something will happen which has not happened and which there is no evidence of it happening in the future? We call that making something up.

Personally, I think it'd be political suicide for Democrats to tax ammo in any way. And I'm pretty sure they know it as well.

they will tax anything they can...

511 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:41:31pm

re: #510 brookly red

hehe, I thought you were for reducing the deficit >>

512 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:41:34pm

re: #492 Lateralis

Making up what? wheee!

Your own 448

the Democrats in Congress will be looking for ways to restrict gun use and they won't do it by restricting ownership. It most likely will appear in high taxes on ammunition. i.e. Cigarette tax
513 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:41:40pm

re: #506 Lidane

Funny you should mention Portland. Right before I moved here to Austin, I went to a cousin's wedding up in Portland and spent a week there. Great city. I really liked it there. Well, aside from my idiot uncles wanting to try and find a Mexican restaurant while we were there when there's perfectly good seafood to be had, but whatever. =P

I could definitely see some similarities between the two cities. The one thing I thought was weird was not being able to pump my own gas. Do they still do that?

Yes, they still don't let us pump our own gas. :( it may actually be my number one complaint about Oregon, the gas thing.

514 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:42:11pm

re: #508 WindUpBird

or those mice with human ears on them! MONSTER EVIL VEGGIES

Well, then there is this:
[Link: www.ananova.com...]

I don't think that just melamine...

515 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:42:15pm

re: #490 HoosierHoops

re: #502 RogueOne

My golf-pro buddy will be in a very good mood if K-State wins. There's free golf in it for me.

516 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:42:45pm

re: #505 WindUpBird

How...original? o_o

It originally belonged to Moses...

517 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:43:07pm

re: #511 windsagio

hehe, I thought you were for reducing the deficit >>

But cutting as many social programs as possible...

I am that evil.

518 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:43:15pm

2 turnovers not really the way to start

519 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:43:20pm

re: #510 brookly red

they will tax anything they can...

I will wait until there is an actual dead body to post about right wing violence if you agree to wait until an actual ammo tax is passed to post about this topic again. Deal?

520 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:43:27pm

re: #514 Oh no...Sand People!

Well, growth hormones in animals are probably much more of a real problem than GE veggies.

Especially for kids.

521 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:43:54pm

re: #514 Oh no...Sand People!

Well, then there is this:
[Link: www.ananova.com...]

I don't think that just melamine...

Yikes!

Have they found any ninja turtles in the area where he farms? That's a dead giveaway of toxic ooze.

522 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:43:57pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

Not kidding.

Really not kidding.

Those would be seriously difficult to parody. Had to be sure it wasn't already parody. From one:

New "Survival Seed Bank" Produces Thousands Of Pounds Of Nutrient-Dense Food For Pennies Per Pound... Enough To Feed Friends And Family Forever!

From the other:

If the economy collapses, a pinch of heirloom seeds will have more barter power than gold because it offers an endless supply of food and hope for the future.

523 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:01pm

re: #503 WindUpBird

The "Democrats will totally do blank and blank and blank guns ammo tax hgbmgmghg" stuff.

When you say something will happen which has not happened and which there is no evidence of it happening in the future? We call that making something up.

Personally, I think it'd be political suicide for Democrats to tax ammo in any way. And I'm pretty sure they know it as well.

So you are saying that Congress in the past has not tried to restrict gun ownership nor will they in the future. I brought up the tax because that is probably the only way to do it without violating the Constitution.

524 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:06pm

re: #511 windsagio

hehe, I thought you were for reducing the deficit >>

yes, by spending less.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:14pm

re: #508 WindUpBird

or those mice with human ears on them! MONSTER EVIL VEGGIES

My husband and I were talking about the ear mice the other day. If you lose an ear, do they give you a mouse to strap to the side of your head?

526 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:41pm

oops! Monster veggies or new thread?

Man that's a hard choice >>

527 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:44pm

re: #517 Oh no...Sand People!

But cutting as many social programs as possible...

I am that evil.

Who needs schools anyway? :D

528 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:45pm

re: #480 windsagio

Which is of course the point, but guns are a touchy subject :P

Even tho' most of the libs on here anyways seem to be essentially pro-gun :D

I'm pro *long* gun. Stay away from my shotgun and H&K. I hate pistols. Man killers and nothing much else. Well, they're fun to shoot, but I wouldn't have one in the house.

529 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:44:52pm

re: #511 windsagio

hehe, I thought you were for reducing the deficit >>

You DO realize that there are two other ways to cut the deficit besides raising taxes. Or do you

530 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #523 Lateralis

So you are saying that Congress in the past has not tried to restrict gun ownership

To quote my favorite political philosopher, albusteve: "I live in the here and now."

531 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:45:25pm

re: #519 bratwurst

I will wait until there is an actual dead body to post about right wing violence if you agree to wait until an actual ammo tax is passed to post about this topic again. Deal?

Hey they wanna tax Dr.Pepper?

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:45:48pm

re: #522 wrenchwench

One of these was advertising on Glenn Beck. Charles put it up in a thread a while ago.

Of course, I think they're getting cheap rates, because Fox's saner advertisers are putting distance between themselves and the Beck-man.

533 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #531 brookly red

Hey they wanna tax Dr.Pepper?

So no deal, huh? :(

534 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #529 sattv4u2

I do realize that nobody will ever cut spending on either party :p

535 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:05pm

re: #531 brookly red

Hey they wanna tax Dr.Pepper?

yet another attack on the medical profession

oh ,, wait!

536 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:27pm

re: #493 cliffster

A-Town. It is a great day indeed. Getting ready to go for a quick 4 mile run around Brushy Creek trail

Nice greenbelt. Enjoy spring! It'll be gone in two weeks.

537 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:29pm

re: #527 WindUpBird

Who needs schools anyway? :D

Just those who don't want to win spelling bees.

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:33pm

re: #530 bratwurst

To quote my favorite political philosopher, albusteve: "I live in the here and now."

"The Tuskegee Airmen are living in the moment!"

539 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:34pm

re: #534 windsagio

I do realize that nobody will ever cut spending on either party :p

That wasn;t the question

540 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:39pm

re: #523 Lateralis

So you are saying that Congress in the past has not tried to restrict gun ownership nor will they in the future. I brought up the tax because that is probably the only way to do it without violating the Constitution.

So basically because Congress voted to do A at one time in the past then that means Q, R and Z just because you suspect it? Suspicions are great, I collect them, but they are not facts.

I did hear a whole bunch of stuff about how Obama was going to ban sport fishing, hee hee LOCK UP YOUR RODS!

541 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:41pm

re: #528 austin_blue

I think pistols are boring and lame. I also think its a waste of time and actually counter-productive to feed the crazies by actually trying to do anything about it :P

542 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:46:43pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

One of these was advertising on Glenn Beck. Charles put it up in a thread a while ago.

Of course, I think they're getting cheap rates, because Fox's saner advertisers are putting distance between themselves and the Beck-man.

It's political season, there are no cheap rates.

543 Digital Display  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #518 RogueOne

2 turnovers not really the way to start

At this point..who has the legs to play?
I think rebounding will matter.. and speed in the next 10 minutes..
And if Butler hits those shots...

544 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:47:09pm

re: #542 RogueOne

It's political season, there are no cheap rates anymore.


ftfm

545 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:47:25pm

re: #529 sattv4u2

You DO realize that there are two other ways to cut the deficit besides raising taxes. Or do you

At least three, if you count crashing the earth into the sun.

Deficit solved. No earth, no deficit!

546 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:47:54pm

re: #533 bratwurst

So no deal, huh? :(

we are close, but no deal.

547 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:47:59pm

re: #545 WindUpBird

At least three, if you count crashing the earth into the sun.

Deficit solved. No earth, no deficit!

With the dems now driving the bus, thats not far fetched

548 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:48:14pm

re: #542 RogueOne

It's political season, there are no cheap rates.

Well, in that case it just gets more bizarre. Either these yahoos are making enough money from selling heirloom seeds to feed your children when society collapses to afford to advertise on Fox, or, they're being subsidized for ideological reasons by someone.

549 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:48:18pm

re: #539 sattv4u2

It was the answer tho'.

The taxing/spending deficit thing is pretty straightforward.

Our deficit is killing us.

Neither party has the balls to actually cut any programs.

What do we do instead then?

/I say cut the military spending about 30%, but that'll go over about as well as a dead elephant.

550 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:48:21pm

re: #530 bratwurst

To quote my favorite political philosopher, albusteve: "I live in the here and now."

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

551 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:48:42pm

re: #541 windsagio

I think pistols are boring and lame. I also think its a waste of time and actually counter-productive to feed the crazies by actually trying to do anything about it :P

Yeah, pistols are weak, but appropriate and necessary. AR-15's, 50 Cal's..etc. Now we are getting somewhere.

552 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:49:00pm

re: #540 WindUpBird

So basically because Congress voted to do A at one time in the past then that means Q, R and Z just because you suspect it? Suspicions are great, I collect them, but they are not facts.

I did hear a whole bunch of stuff about how Obama was going to ban sport fishing, hee hee LOCK UP YOUR RODS!

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

553 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:49:28pm

re: #541 windsagio

I think pistols are boring and lame. I also think its a waste of time and actually counter-productive to feed the crazies by actually trying to do anything about it :P

I'll let people have their thing they like which is dangerous and makes people nervous (pistols) if they let me have the thing I like which is dangerous and makes people nervous (obnoxious RWD sports car that gets 6 gallons per mile)

554 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:49:45pm

re: #549 windsagio

It was the answer tho'.

The taxing/spending deficit thing is pretty straightforward.

Our deficit is killing us.

Neither party has the balls to actually cut any programs.

What do we do instead then?

/I say cut the military spending about 30%, but that'll go over about as well as a dead elephant.

BBBZZZZTT ,,,times up.
Johnny, I do think we have parting gifts for our contestant

555 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:49:55pm

re: #547 sattv4u2

With the dems now driving the bus, thats not far fetched

We're totally going to take all the conservatives and melt them into soylent green. yum!

556 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:50:11pm

re: #541 windsagio

I think pistols are boring and lame. I also think its a waste of time and actually counter-productive to feed the crazies by actually trying to do anything about it :P

Agreed.

557 cliffster  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:50:15pm

re: #536 austin_blue

Nice greenbelt. Enjoy spring! It'll be gone in two weeks.

Got that right. Two weeks might be generous.

558 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:50:26pm

re: #551 Oh no...Sand People!

I've talked before about hte AK I used to own. Now that was a stylin' weapon.

/also I don't actually think any guns are necessary for the average citizen. They should be legal, but that's going waaay to far into clint eastwood fantasies.

559 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:25pm

re: #554 sattv4u2

oh c'mon, its a friendly mood. Do you really have to start pulling that crap?

560 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:25pm

re: #553 WindUpBird

I'll let people have their thing they like which is dangerous and makes people nervous (pistols) if they let me have the thing I like which is dangerous and makes people nervous (obnoxious RWD sports car that gets 6 gallons per mile)

Cool, but I'll let the 'Nuge take over from here:

561 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:42pm

OT: WUB, have you guys gotten your package yet?

562 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:43pm

re: #552 Lateralis

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

hahahaha American Thinker

563 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:51pm

re: #558 windsagio

I've talked before about hte AK I used to own. Now that was a stylin' weapon.

/also I don't actually think any guns are necessary for the average citizen. They should be legal, but that's going waaay to far into clint eastwood fantasies.

See 560.

564 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:51:53pm

re: #561 windsagio

OT: WUB, have you guys gotten your package yet?

The kitties?

565 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:52:25pm

re: #563 Oh no...Sand People!

In fairness, he's a freakin' lunatic :p

566 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:52:38pm

re: #560 Oh no...Sand People!

I like the Nuge's music (STRANGEHOLD BABEH!) I'm not so hip about him associating with racists. :/

567 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:52:46pm

re: #562 WindUpBird

hahahaha American Thinker

Hahhahah...Huffpo, CNN, Kos, MSNBC, AlJazeera (arabic fox news), ad infinitum..

568 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:52:47pm

re: #564 WindUpBird

yes!

569 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:52:54pm

re: #559 windsagio

oh c'mon, its a friendly mood. Do you really have to start pulling that crap?

pulling what "crap"

I asked you a straight up question. You danced around like you were in a cabaret

570 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:52:57pm

re: #540 WindUpBird

LOCK UP YOUR RODS!

re: #550 Lateralis

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered.

The. horror.

571 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:53:12pm

re: #566 WindUpBird

you have to admit, the craziness is entertaining >

572 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:53:15pm

re: #565 windsagio

In fairness, he's a freakin' lunatic :p

Then I don't want to be sane...

573 brookly red  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:53:16pm

re: #549 windsagio

It was the answer tho'.

The taxing/spending deficit thing is pretty straightforward.

Our deficit is killing us.

Neither party has the balls to actually cut any programs.

What do we do instead then?

/I say cut the military spending about 30%, but that'll go over about as well as a dead elephant.

well does every state need 2 senators? isn't 1 enough?

574 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:53:58pm

re: #573 brookly red
I like that :D

575 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:54:46pm

re: #562 WindUpBird

hahahaha American Thinker

I don't care about the source the point is that Congress is trying to do something which you basically alluded they are not trying to do anything currently.

576 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:55:27pm

re: #570 bratwurst

The. horror.

Like I said it depends were you stand on the second amendment.

577 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:55:28pm

re: #567 Oh no...Sand People!

Hahhahah...Huffpo, CNN, Kos, MSNBC, AlJazeera (arabic fox news), ad infinitum..

I don't get my news from blogs who toss around OMG NEFARIOUS LANGUAGE!11, is what I'm saying. I don't get it from Kos either. I treat Huffpo and Drudge the same: link aggregators which are fun, but you gotta take anything they link to with a grain of salt because they both gin up stories into things that they aren't.

578 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:55:44pm

I'm trying not to be offensive, but I don't see how anybody can find Mr. Upside-down-hitler-mustache anything but a crank. Just listen to how he talks about things!

579 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:56:15pm

re: #571 windsagio

you have to admit, the craziness is entertaining >

Oh, it's fun! But it's also depressing. it's like when I found out that Bill maher was an anti-vaxer. It was like "dude, you're funny, so why be a tinfoil nutbag about this?"

580 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:56:48pm

re: #577 WindUpBird

I don't get my news from blogs who toss around OMG NEFARIOUS LANGUAGE!11, is what I'm saying. I don't get it from Kos either. I treat Huffpo and Drudge the same: link aggregators which are fun, but you gotta take anything they link to with a grain of salt because they both gin up stories into things that they aren't.

Sure...ok.

But now I must go and see, "How to Train your Pet Dragon." or whatever it is.

Later folks.

581 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:57:01pm

re: #578 windsagio

oh and I'm not trying to be godwinny with the hitler thing. He just looks like he has Hitler's mustache on the bottom of his chin.

582 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:57:16pm

re: #576 Lateralis

Like I said it depends were you stand on the second amendment.

Do you believe there should be no gun registration? Or some, but not most? Or most but not some? Just curious where you stand on this issue.

583 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:57:45pm

re: #576 Lateralis

Like I said it depends were you stand on the second amendment.

You talked about new taxes...there is not one word about taxes in the link you provided. Not one.

584 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:58:02pm

re: #575 Lateralis

I don't care about the source the point is that Congress is trying to do something which you basically alluded they are not trying to do anything currently.

I said they weren't going to tax ammunition, dude.

585 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #576 Lateralis

Like I said it depends were you stand on the second amendment.

I keep my copy of it on the wall to avoid that.

586 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:58:44pm

re: #547 sattv4u2

With the dems now driving the bus, thats not far fetched

You forgot your sarc tag.

I hope.

587 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:59:00pm

re: #585 sattv4u2

Is it really that much of a concern to you?

Like to you really really believe that our right to bear arms is in grave danger?

588 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:59:14pm

re: #583 bratwurst

You talked about new taxes...there is not one word about taxes in the link you provided. Not one.

HEY *A* is TRUE

NO IT'S NOT

YEAH BUT *B* COULD BECOME TRUE!

WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT *B*

BUT LIBERALS!

I'M LEAVING

589 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 2:59:59pm

re: #585 sattv4u2

I keep my copy of it on the wall to avoid that.

Are you serious? :D

I have like, paintings and stuff on my walls.

590 RogueOne  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:00:52pm

Kansas State finally got their 30th point.

591 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:00:58pm

re: #586 JoyousMN

You forgot your sarc tag.

I hope.

I type
You decide

592 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:01:01pm

re: #589 WindUpBird

I have a photo my grandfather took of something he thought was a hole in the spacetime continuum on MY wall :p

593 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:01:30pm

re: #589 WindUpBird

Are you serious? :D

I have like, paintings and stuff on my walls.

ELITIST!!!!

594 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:01:45pm

re: #592 windsagio

I have a photo my grandfather took of something he thought was a hole in the spacetime continuum on MY wall :p

Heeheeheeheehee

IT"S NOT A WEATHER BALLOON!

595 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:02:14pm

re: #587 windsagio

re: #589 WindUpBird


{sigh}

Perhaps when the new health leg kicks you can get a free funny bone transplant!

596 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:02:39pm

re: #591 sattv4u2

I type
You decide

Though being optional on your part, huh? :)

597 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:03:11pm

re: #593 bratwurst

ELITIST!!!

Some of them, I painted! Double elitist!


One of them is a Rick Berry print, because it's digital: [Link: braid.com...]

So you see the Windup motif extends to the rest of my life as well :D

598 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:03:27pm

oppp...preview is my friend.

though=thought

599 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:03:32pm

re: #596 JoyousMN

Though being optional on your part, huh? :)

flexible, aren't I !?!?

600 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:03:41pm

re: #590 RogueOne

Woot!

601 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:04:14pm

re: #582 WindUpBird

Do you believe there should be no gun registration? Or some, but not most? Or most but not some? Just curious where you stand on this issue.

No I don't support registration. What does registration address? Law abiding citizens register guns, crooks don't. What do you think registration would address or solve?

602 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:04:16pm

re: #595 sattv4u2

That's why I asked, its something I've heard wingnuts say before >>

603 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:04:37pm

re: #595 sattv4u2

re: #589 WindUpBird

{sigh}

Perhaps when the new health leg kicks you can get a free funny bone transplant!

hahaha fair enough, I have a cousin though, he is absolutely the guy who unironically would have the framed 2nd amendment on the wall, and he drives a truck jacked up so high I can almost park my VW underneath it.

604 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:05:35pm

re: #598 JoyousMN

oppp...preview is my friend.

though=thought

well , now thats TOTALLY different

So new answer

No ,,,, as slow as I type, thought process is always involved. ((ssshhhh ,,,, sometimes ,,as I'm typing my original response,, I have had time to alter that opinion!!))

605 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:05:55pm

re: #603 WindUpBird

Anywys, I was asking about the kitties, because I wanna call your roomie for the rockband session.

606 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:06:00pm

re: #602 windsagio

That's why I asked, its something I've heard wingnuts say before >>

And of course, i'm a "wingnut"?

607 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:06:01pm

re: #601 Lateralis

No I don't support registration. What does registration address? Law abiding citizens register guns, crooks don't. What do you think registration would address or solve?

Registration helps law enforcement.

Assuming your premise is absolutely true, do you think law abiding members of society never ever commit gun crimes? There are no crimes of passion anywhere in America?

608 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:06:15pm

re: #605 windsagio

Anywys, I was asking about the kitties, because I wanna call your roomie for the rockband session.

they are here! Call us!

609 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:06:48pm

re: #584 WindUpBird

I said they weren't going to tax ammunition, dude.

My point was that one of the few ways they will be able to restrict gun use is through taxes. Have they proposed that in Congress, I am not sure. Will they in the future? I think it is highly likely but how far it will go I do not know.

610 windsagio  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:07:16pm

re: #608 WindUpBird

OK!

And since I'm leaving anyways, I can say this:

Shed the pretentiousness and hostility satt, you might find actually honestly engaging people fun someday.

611 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:07:37pm

re: #604 sattv4u2

But you have a three comma key!

612 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:08:31pm

re: #601 Lateralis

No I don't support registration. What does registration address? Law abiding citizens register guns, crooks don't. What do you think registration would address or solve?

So as long as I show up at the gun shop and assure them I am a law abiding citizen, that should be enough, eh?

613 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:08:38pm

re: #610 windsagio

OK!

And since I'm leaving anyways, I can say this:

Shed the pretentiousness and hostility satt, you might find actually honestly engaging people fun someday.

I'll take that under advisement

hmmmmm


Well ,,, seeing that I don't believe that I am either, I guess ,,,, NO

614 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:09:17pm

re: #611 prairiefire

But you have a three comma key!

Comes free with my ISP

They tell me if I use the semi-colon however, thats extra

615 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:11:33pm

re: #614 sattv4u2

I read your posts and pause for three beats. You should write for a stand up comic!
(In regards to the three commas, not your content)

616 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:12:04pm

re: #610 windsagio

This was great

I was called pretentious, hostile AND a wingnut yet it's ME that "may find it fun to engage people honestly!"

WWWHHHEEEEEEE

617 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:12:23pm

re: #552 Lateralis

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

"virtually no chance it will ever be voted on"

Think of Snopes as kind of a companion site for American "Thinker".

618 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:13:07pm

re: #615 prairiefire

I read your posts and pause for three beats. You should write for a stand up comic!
(In regards to the three commas, not your content)

I figure thats how we talk (no, not with three commas, but with puases)

SO ,,,

woulditbebetterifIjusttypedrunonsentencestosavespace?!?!?

/

619 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:13:37pm

re: #607 WindUpBird

Registration helps law enforcement.

Assuming your premise is absolutely true, do you think law abiding members of society never ever commit gun crimes? There are no crimes of passion anywhere in America?

Absolutely they do. However, those cases are far and few between and I am not in favor of registration for those few cases. In a crime of passion the police would have plenty of other evidence to identify the killer. I know it used to be in California a large percentage of homicides were gang related which I am sure those gang members would not be registering their firearms.

620 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:14:26pm

re: #618 sattv4u2

Ah, no. Now your talking like my tweener daughter./

621 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:15:11pm

re: #582 WindUpBird

Do you believe there should be no gun registration? Or some, but not most? Or most but not some? Just curious where you stand on this issue.

Seems obvious your answer is here:

622 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:15:41pm

re: #620 prairiefire

Ah, no. Now your talking like my tweener daughter./

Hell. At least she talks to you

Most we get out of my 15 year old son is grunts and shrugs

623 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:15:56pm

re: #621 bratwurst

Nation of laws? What's that?

624 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:17:08pm

re: #619 Lateralis

Absolutely they do. However, those cases are far and few between and I am not in favor of registration for those few cases. In a crime of passion the police would have plenty of other evidence to identify the killer. I know it used to be in California a large percentage of homicides were gang related which I am sure those gang members would not be registering their firearms.

So because there are crimes that gun reg doesn't solve, that's all the argument you need?

625 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:18:05pm

Ah well


Goint to put some fime animal carcass on the BBQ for dinner

Cya All Later

626 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:18:28pm

re: #625 sattv4u2

Ah well


Gointg to put some fime animal carcass on the BBQ for dinner

Cya All Later

damn thumbs

627 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:18:45pm

re: #622 sattv4u2

She does talk in a low mumble which can drive me insane. She knows it, too.

628 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:20:12pm

re: #627 prairiefire

She does talk in a low mumble which can drive me insane. She knows it, too.

Do the same back to her

ESPECIALLY when she asking FOR something
Do it in a monotone ,,,low ,, slow ,,,,mumble

629 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:21:44pm

re: #627 prairiefire

re: #628 sattv4u2

Do the same back to her

ESPECIALLY when she asking FOR something
Do it in a monotone ,,,low ,, slow ,,,mumble

I'll even send you some of my commas!!!

630 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:25:15pm

re: #624 WindUpBird

So because there are crimes that gun reg doesn't solve, that's all the argument you need?

That is how I look at it because for what other reason would they want to have firearm registration. If they ban semi-autos they know who to get them from?

631 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:27:12pm

We need to impose fair trade tests on all of our major trading relationships, starting with China and the Pacific rim. Doing so will give domestic American businesses an even playing field and a fair chance to repatriate millions of good jobs which have been outsourced to currency-manipulating jurisdictions with oppressive labour standards and little or no environmental regulations. The resultant growth in domestic economic activity would also cut the trade deficit and increase tax revenues without raising tax rates.

And of course independence from overseas energy sources is also crucial to getting the trade deficit under control.

632 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:30:06pm

re: #630 Lateralis

That is how I look at it because for what other reason would they want to have firearm registration. If they ban semi-autos they know who to get them from?

To quote my 4 year old niece, you are being a silly billy. Besides, this discussion began because you are sure the evil leftists are plotting to tax your ammo. The link you provided said nothing of the sort.

633 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:37:24pm

re: #632 bratwurst

To quote my 4 year old niece, you are being a silly billy. Besides, this discussion began because you are sure the evil leftists are plotting to tax your ammo. The link you provided said nothing of the sort.

I guess its silly to be against registering firearms. Like I said earlier the post I linked earlier was because it was said that Congress is not doing anything concerning gun ownership. Didn't say that leftist are evil either I just don't agree with their gun control stance.

634 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:39:29pm

re: #633 Lateralis

I guess its silly to be against registering firearms. Like I said earlier the post I linked earlier was because it was said that Congress is not doing anything concerning gun ownership. Didn't say that leftist are evil either I just don't agree with their gun control stance.

Serious question: you can't see ANY reason for gun registration? Are you also against car registration?

635 Pythagoras  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:42:52pm

BUTLER!

636 JoyousMN  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:43:20pm

re: #633 Lateralis

Didn't say that leftist are evil either I just don't agree with their gun control stance.

LOL What gun control stance? Dems gave that up about 10 years ago. I think that it's for the best too. To me, gun control legislation is appropriately handled at the local level. If DC thinks guns are a prob and wants to legislate them, they should be able to do so. Out here in the sticks in MN it's just not the same, and we should be able to legislate or not if we choose.

637 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:48:57pm

re: #636 JoyousMN

LOL What gun control stance? Dems gave that up about 10 years ago. I think that it's for the best too. To me, gun control legislation is appropriately handled at the local level. If DC thinks guns are a prob and wants to legislate them, they should be able to do so. Out here in the sticks in MN it's just not the same, and we should be able to legislate or not if we choose.

If you do see gun control legislation being introduced it is usually by the Dems. I agree it should be handled locally and that can become quite interesting. CSU passed a gun ban even though the students where against it. The County Sheriff said if if anyone is brought to his jail for violating the gun ban he will not incarcerate them.

[Link: www.collegian.com...]

638 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:50:41pm

re: #637 Lateralis

If you do see gun control legislation being introduced it is usually by the Dems.

Now there is the straw man! So are you with me in my stance against car registration or not?

639 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 3:58:59pm

re: #638 bratwurst

Now there is the straw man! So are you with me in my stance against car registration or not?

What straw man. People are saying that gun control is not being pushed by Democrats and I disagree. The party platform states that they support reasonable regulation which could mean a lot of things. So unless Dems in office don't support their party platform which I assume most do they will most likely propose legislation to restrict gun ownership. I just don't support that aspect of their platform.

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

640 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:09:58pm

re: #617 wrenchwench

Think of Snopes as kind of a companion site for American "Thinker" most things you read on the Internet.

Minor fix. :)

Snopes was invaluable during the election, and I still get mileage out of it when I get the latest "ZOMG! Obama is dooming us all!!!11!!!11!1!eleventy!" e-mail or article forward from my relatives.

641 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:17:46pm

re: #640 Lidane

My relatives stopped forwarding crap like that to me, probably because I'd invariably reply with a snopes link. :)

642 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:19:33pm

re: #639 Lateralis

So you are just not going to address the difference between car registration and gun registration?

643 Lidane  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:23:37pm

re: #641 euphgeek

My relatives stopped forwarding crap like that to me, probably because I'd invariably reply with a snopes link. :)

Mine still forward all that stuff, along with all sorts of religious chain letters. I think they see it as a way to try and bring my liberal, atheist, black-sheep-of-the-family self back into the fold. I just smile and let them think it has a chance of working. Better that than to cause needless drama.

644 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:26:07pm

re: #642 bratwurst

So you are just not going to address the difference between car registration and gun registration?

Gun ownership is constitutionally protected and car ownership is not. I think the Government is within there rights to require the registration of cars.

645 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:27:54pm

re: #641 euphgeek

My relatives stopped forwarding crap like that to me, probably because I'd invariably reply with a snopes link. :)

The point of my link had nothing to do with American Thinker's stance on the issue but to provide a link illustrating that Congress is putting forth gun control legislation and that is it.

646 euphgeek  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:41:59pm

re: #645 Lateralis

The point of my link had nothing to do with American Thinker's stance on the issue but to provide a link illustrating that Congress is putting forth gun control legislation and that is it.

Actually, I was talking about the "ZOMG!!! Obama is dooming us all!!!" type e-mails, not your American Thinker link. But to be fair, Congresspeople are always putting forth some kind of legislation. There is a bill in the House for repealing the 22nd Amendment (Presidential term limits) and after the 2008 election, various fringers latched onto it claiming Obama wanted to be dictator for life, completely ignoring the fact that 1) it was first introduced back during the Clinton administration and kept getting brought up during the Bush administration, and 2) even if it passed, it would exempt the current officeholder.

So basically what I'm saying is that even though a bill has been introduced doesn't mean it's a part of any party's agenda or that it will even be taken seriously by House leadership.

647 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 4:52:21pm

re: #645 Lateralis

The point of my link had nothing to do with American Thinker's stance on the issue but to provide a link illustrating that Congress is putting forth gun control legislation and that is it.

The Snopes link didn't have anything to do with AT's stance either. It had to do with the fact that the bill, while it does actually exist, is going nowhere. The other sites where folks are concerned about it were places like rense.com, the Daily Paul, and Free Republic. Places that need to keep the blood pressure up for their readers.

648 Lateralis  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 5:00:04pm

re: #647 wrenchwench

The Snopes link didn't have anything to do with AT's stance either. It had to do with the fact that the bill, while it does actually exist, is going nowhere. The other sites where folks are concerned about it were places like rense.com, the Daily Paul, and Free Republic. Places that need to keep the blood pressure up for their readers.

I agree that at this time it is not going anywhere but I would think that political action groups need to respond to legislation they see as a threat. To say that Dems are not putting forth or supporting (maybe not in overwhelming numbers in Congress at this time) gun control legislation is simply false. The climate may not be ripe for passage but legislation is being introduced nationally and locally that is in line with the party platform.

649 Jaerik  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 6:31:02pm

Not fond of the Republicans right now, but the thing really does seem like a written version of "sign here to say you've stopped beating your wife."

650 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:15:51pm
651 fire at night  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:17:29pm

re: #41 pingjockey

Damn straight. Just did it the other day, but I only got as far as 6.

652 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #650 Bob Tail

Flushing out the idiots. Bye now!

653 Liberally Conservative  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:19:53pm

I may be a bit late to the discussion, but here are a few reasons for gun registration.

One is that criminals don't all get their guns from a nebulous black market. Many times, these guns are borrowed or stolen, and registration helps track that. For example, if police identify a murder weapon as the same gun that was reported stolen a few weeks ago, then the cops are closer to finding their suspect.

Two is that if a person sells legal guns on the black market, it is a lot easier to catch a guy with registration, if, for example, he has hundreds of guns registered to his name.

Three is that many criminals commit crimes with guns bought legally, i.e. bought when they did not have a police record. Registration tracks that.

Four is that when the Democrats implement their plan to take away everyone's guns and bring in the UN...oops, how did that get in there?

654 Liberally Conservative  Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:20:25pm

Sorry, forgot my slashies at the previous post.

655 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 8:15:29pm

re: #174 Filala

After years of leftist name calling, I think the Dems have some nerve to be asking for "civility" now. The left is beneath contempt, too bad our MSM still follows that party line. Having read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" I can pretty well see where their ideas come from. Tactics don't matter, only the result counts ie: Obamacare. Freeze, personalize and demonize the opposition. It used to work, I hope we can see through it now.

hahahaha I'm beneath contempt! Rad!

656 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 8:16:15pm

re: #649 Jaerik

Not fond of the Republicans right now, but the thing really does seem like a written version of "sign here to say you've stopped beating your wife."

It is, it's bullshit. And it wouldn't help anyway. This thing needs to run its course.


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