FBI Raids Michigan Militia Group

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A “small army” of FBI and DHS agents descended on Michigan’s Lenawee County yesterday, in an apparent crackdown on militia activity in the area:

ADRIAN, Mich. (WXYZ) - The FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are all involved in raids around Adrian that may be connected to a militia group.

The FBI conducted multiple raids throughout Saturday and into Sunday, with one of them centered on a property where known members of a militia live. The land is owned by a man who lives in a house on the property. His sons live in two mobile homes that are also on the property. Saturday’s raids were concentrated on those mobile homes. …

Federal agents will not comment on the investigation, only saying that they are serving a number of search warrants and that the warrants are sealed. Action News has learned that an unknown number of arrests have also been made. An unconfirmed report indicated that at least six people were arrested coming into Michigan from Ohio.

Members of a number of militia groups say that the raids are connected to raids in Indiana and Ohio. However, the FBI has not confirmed that.

LGF reader “Decatur Deb” points out this website (Google cache link), which may be connected to the group:

The home page includes a training video with a godawful metal music soundtrack, and this photo:

Their YouTube channel is also still active as I write this.

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336 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:41:35am

SLPC lists "hutaree" as a militia in Michigan:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

2 recusancy  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:42:08am

The Michigan Militia has been here forever. You can drive by their compounds and see countless semi trailers on the property probably holding their "supplies".

3 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:42:26am

Dipsticks of the world unite! All you have to lose is...well crap, they've already lost their teeny minds.

4 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:43:02am

Looks like a bunch of well-equipped missionaries to me.

5 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:43:08am

FreeRepublic: FBI Raids in Mi. In, Oh

Has anyone heard about FBI raids conducted last night in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio. Warrants are sealed so no public information is yet available. Rumor is the raids are related to last weeks DC anti health control rally.

.....

Since the FBI is now Eric Holder's personal goon squad, anything is possible.


....

Wow. It begins now. Rounding up those who even think about opposing the machine.
This isnt America anymore.


etc...

6 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:43:58am

And here's a cache of their forums:

[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

Here's someone trying to get something Hutaree style started in Texas:

[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

Militia recruiting boards. Trippy.

7 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:44:02am

re: #5 Killgore Trout
Gaaah!

8 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:44:21am

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Looks like a bunch of well-equipped missionaries to me.

I wonder what they were charged with, (assuming the weapons are legal)?

9 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:45:05am

re: #6 Obdicut

Whoops, didn't sanitize second link. Here's the cache, if you want to delete the other one, Charles.

[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

10 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:45:21am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

another one....

Really? Now the Christians are the enemy? Wow! It looks like the liberals’s war of words has escalated into a real war targeting Christians.
11 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:46:49am

Those poor dogs.

Hopefully these tools don't believe in hearing protection at the firing range, so they'll all be deaf as doorposts and get taken by surprise when the black helicopters swoop in to take them off for their FEMA camp vacation.

12 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:47:11am

it's moxy fruvous time!!!


Youtube Video
13 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:47:22am

re: #8 brookly red

I wonder what they were charged with, (assuming the weapons are legal)?

I can't vouch for it, but I've read "selling pipe bombs". Not subtle, if true.

14 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:49:28am

re: #13 Decatur Deb

I can't vouch for it, but I've read "selling pipe bombs". Not subtle, if true.

/oh great... to an undercover officer no doubt. I can hear the calls of entrapment already.

15 Linden Arden  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:49:35am

Anyone have any idea of the derivation of "Hutaree"?

I don't speak Rapturist.

16 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:49:44am

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Those poor dogs.

Hopefully these tools don't believe in hearing protection at the firing range, so they'll all be deaf as doorposts and get taken by surprise when the black helicopters swoop in to take them off for their FEMA camp vacation.

Chek some of the body-mass in the photo. They won't all be slipping silently through the woods. (Seems dark helicopters actually were used, per local TV video that's up. Channel 7, somewhere.)

17 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:49:44am

Huh. Probably coincidence, but one militia group uses the Tennessee flag as their symbol.

[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

18 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:50:19am

re: #13 Decatur Deb
If they were trying to sell pipe bombs, they should get busted for stupidity above and beyond the call. Sometimes I weep for our criminals, they are so fucking stupid. (which is a great thing for LE!)

19 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:50:48am

I find this statement to be interesting...

For we live by faith and cannot see nor understand what we believe, entirely, but nevertheless the reward is worth it in the end.

It's a bastardization of Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Either these folk have really poor comprehension skills, or else they are being deliberately obtuse. Their exegesis on this passage enables them to claim just about any "revelation" that their leaders need to foster on the membership, at any given time, for any newly contrived purpose.

Someone(s) know what they are doing, but I suspect there the general "membership" are like sheep.

One of the more interesting "spins" I ever seen on this verse.

20 Lemon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:51:00am

re: #8 brookly red

The article mentions "An unconfirmed report indicated that at least six people were arrested coming into Michigan from Ohio." Possibly something to do with moving weapons across state lines.

On a side note, how many groups of this type exist in the United States, anyway? I'm curious how many people there are involved with militia-styled groups in the country.

21 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:51:30am

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

well said

22 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:52:08am

re: #20 Lemon

The article mentions "An unconfirmed report indicated that at least six people were arrested coming into Michigan from Ohio." Possibly something to do with moving weapons across state lines.

On a side note, how many groups of this type exist in the United States, anyway? I'm curious how many people there are involved with militia-styled groups in the country.

don't know...

/and it wasn't asked in the census.

23 simoom  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:52:09am

I was going through the Fort Walton Beach Tea Party's Flickr photostream to see if they had anything interesting from yesterday's "Showdown in Searchlight" Tea Party event. What I found instead were photos they posted, along with their outdoor Searchlight photos, that depict some sort of indoor venue where they set up a booth. There's also tables of guns and knives being sold, so perhaps it was some sort of nearby gun show?

Here's some pretty ugly Tea Party bumper stickers being sold at that same venue:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Don't Blame Me I Voted For The American

(obama photo) Trillion Dollar Boy Wonder

Barack Obama, A Clear & Present Danger

What Michael Jackson Does To Little Boys Obama Is Doing To America

1-20-2009 The First Day of the American Holocaust

Obama Has Socialized and Sodomized America

The N Word is New Taxes

24 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:52:27am

re: #20 Lemon

the SLPC link I posted at the top of the thread is pretty comprehensive.

25 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:52:31am

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Those poor dogs.

Hopefully these tools don't believe in hearing protection at the firing range, so they'll all be deaf as doorposts and get taken by surprise when the black helicopters swoop in to take them off for their FEMA camp vacation.

Ack! That was the first thing I thought of! Oh ok, the second.

26 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:52:54am

re: #21 Aceofwhat?

well said

Not bad for an atheist.. huh?

27 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:52:54am

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Chek some of the body-mass in the photo. They won't all be slipping silently through the woods. (Seems dark helicopters actually were used, per local TV video that's up. Channel 7, somewhere.)

Ok, the third LOL

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:53:18am

re: #18 pingjockey

Probably not something as simple as selling pipebombs. Those arrests could be made by local police. Sounds like a big operation with a lot of arrests. Could be terrorism or weapons charges. A lot of these groups also sell drugs to finance their operations so it could be that too.

29 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:53:34am

ZOMFG! They're "training" to fight UN Blue Helmets!

ROFLMAO! The UN couldn't capture an abandoned village in Lebanon without the direct aid of God Himself.

Get real, boys.

30 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:54:00am

(still shaking off the muck from the cached pages)

As I mentioned below, I forget just how sleezy these kinds of groups are. And these guys aren't even as far out there as some - just your usual racist endtimers who blame the pope & the jews & everyone not in their little group for everything evil in the world. Cute little homemade language too.

Still, no better or worse than the Posse Comitatus idjits around here in Wisconsin off and on for the last 40 years or so.

When I worked for the state elections board, every election we'd get these election "results" from a homemade township government up in PC land. We'd file them away unopened every time.

William

31 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:54:08am

re: #20 Lemon

The article mentions "An unconfirmed report indicated that at least six people were arrested coming into Michigan from Ohio." Possibly something to do with moving weapons across state lines.

On a side note, how many groups of this type exist in the United States, anyway? I'm curious how many people there are involved with militia-styled groups in the country.

Check this source, SPLC (lefties, but my kind of lefties).

[Link: www.google.com...]

32 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:54:52am

re: #28 Killgore Trout
Maybe these folks really need to like read a bible and go to church. The definetly are clueless about "good works".

33 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:55:12am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Probably not something as simple as selling pipebombs. Those arrests could be made by local police. Sounds like a big operation with a lot of arrests. Could be terrorism or weapons charges. A lot of these groups also sell drugs to finance their operations so it could be that too.

follow the meth, huh?

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:55:13am

re: #15 Linden Arden

Anyone have any idea of the derivation of "Hutaree"?

I don't speak Rapturist.

According to a cached result from google it's a madeup word in their own madeup play language. Going the Codetalker route I suppose...

WIlliam

35 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:55:24am

re: #23 simoom

I was going through the Fort Walton Beach Tea Party's Flickr photostream to see if they had anything interesting from yesterday's "Showdown in Searchlight" Tea Party event. What I found instead were photos they posted, along with their outdoor Searchlight photos, that depict some sort of indoor venue where they set up a booth. There's also tables of guns and knives being sold, so perhaps it was some sort of nearby gun show?

Here's some pretty ugly Tea Party bumper stickers being sold at that same venue:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

No homophobia there!

36 Lemon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:56:12am

re: #24 Obdicut

Indeed it is. Not sure how I cruised by that.
Good link, thanks.

37 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:56:37am

re: #29 Cato the Elder

ZOMFG! They're "training" to fight UN Blue Helmets!

ROFLMAO! The UN couldn't capture an abandoned village in Lebanon without the direct aid of God Himself.

Get real, boys.

It's so true. i'm all of 165lbs but i could go Samson with a donkey jawbone should i ever find myself surrounded by a brigade of ill-intentioned UN smurfs...the automatic weapon would just be a waste of time...

38 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:56:51am

re: #29 Cato the Elder
Well, after seeing that pic of the "militia" it might be an even match between them and the blue helmets!

39 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:57:18am

re: #32 pingjockey

Maybe these folks really need to like read a bible and go to church. The definetly are clueless about "good works".

yep. they are not loving their enemy, and i'm quite certain Jesus meant that literally...

40 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:57:51am

re: #37 Aceofwhat?

It's so true. i'm all of 165lbs but i could go Samson with a donkey jawbone should i ever find myself surrounded by a brigade of ill-intentioned UN smurfs...the automatic weapon would just be a waste of time...

/eh, slip em a 20 and they will go away...

41 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:58:18am

re: #32 pingjockey

Maybe these folks really need to like read a bible and go to church. The definetly are clueless about "good works".

Most of them reject that as heresy. Faith alone don't you know. And don't bring James into the conversation that book isn't really biblical... (yeah, I've run into some of these ... people...)

William

42 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:58:25am

All, please keep these these people distinct from "Hutterites". They are a very cool Anabaptist group (like Amish, but with computers).

43 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:58:26am

re: #39 Aceofwhat?
A made up language? Weapons? Odd sort of Christians, IMO.

44 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:59:37am

re: #43 pingjockey

A made up language? Weapons? Odd sort of Christians, IMO.

Maybe they're of the Hellfire and Damnation sort.

45 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 11:59:55am

re: #41 wlewisiii
Holy Crow! We get the occasional Jehovah Witness or the Mormon kids out doing their thing. Not anybody like these folks.

46 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:00:08pm

re: #44 marjoriemoon

Maybe they're of the Hellfire and Damnation sort.

well, they're certainly in danger of finding that, at least...

47 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:02:10pm

re: #44 marjoriemoon
Hah! Went with one of my buddies for Sunday dinner at his moms house. We went to church before hand and his mom was Baptist and this preacher was amazing. Good sermon, but calling down fire and brimstone on the sinners. It was theatrical.

48 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:04:07pm
A “small army” of FBI and DHS agents descended on Michigan’s Lenawee County yesterday, in an apparent crackdown on militia activity in the area:

Shades of the 90s...

49 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:04:13pm

re: #8 brookly red

I wonder what they were charged with, (assuming the weapons are legal)?

I vote, illegal weapons charges, drugs charges, some planned 'plot' charges or a mix match of all three.

50 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:04:23pm

re: #43 pingjockey

A made up language? Weapons? Odd sort of Christians, IMO.

a made up language? oh gawd their treckkies...

51 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:04:31pm

re: #47 pingjockey

Hah! Went with one of my buddies for Sunday dinner at his moms house. We went to church before hand and his mom was Baptist and this preacher was amazing. Good sermon, but calling down fire and brimstone on the sinners. It was theatrical.

fearmongering has to be the dumbest strategy to illustrate the love of God. it boggles the mind...

52 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:05:04pm

re: #49 Jadespring

I vote, illegal weapons charges, drugs charges, some planned 'plot' charges or a mix match of all three.

conspiracy to ______?

53 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:06:47pm

re: #52 brookly red

conspiracy to ___?

Insert an "n" at the end of your nick. With the aid of pipe bombs.

54 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:06:48pm

re: #51 Aceofwhat?
It's been used for 2000 years and doesn't seem to be letting up!

55 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:06:52pm

re: #52 brookly red

conspiracy to ___?

stupidity

56 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:07:19pm

re: #55 Jadespring

bleh PIMF ....commit stupidity..

57 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:08:03pm

re: #53 Cato the Elder

Insert an "n" at the end of your nick. With the aid of pipe bombs.

/should I start screaming Waco now?

58 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:09:54pm

re: #52 brookly red

conspiracy to ___?

to cross from Michigan into Ohio! my family is from Ohio - Michigan is not welcome/

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:10:39pm

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.

60 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:11:38pm

re: #47 pingjockey

Hah! Went with one of my buddies for Sunday dinner at his moms house. We went to church before hand and his mom was Baptist and this preacher was amazing. Good sermon, but calling down fire and brimstone on the sinners. It was theatrical.

I know some evangelist folks. Pentecostal, speak in tongues and all that. One co-worker and I used to talk Bible. Rather she'd talk New Testament and I'd talk Torah which had similar themes but are often different when you get to the meat. At any rate, surprisingly, we both seemed to enjoy the discussion and it went along very amiably until she started telling me about a friend of hers who converted to Islam. Then she stopped talking religion to me. Maybe a coincidence, but I always wondered what her friend said to her.

61 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:11:44pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.

Sign me up. I'm Private Slouch.

62 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:12:04pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.

Maybe they had planned a raid at at bacon factory.

63 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:12:08pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.


"remember to always save your last slice for yourself!"

64 Jadespring  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:13:44pm

Oh wait I know. They planned a raid into Canada to liberate a commie bacon factory.

65 subsailor68  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:13:51pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.

LOL! And I love their slogan: "We can't stand for this! Or anything actually."

66 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:14:17pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.

harder to be a vegetarian during extended camping, though. let's just meet in someone's basement...

67 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:14:19pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

I'm sorry to hear that. I read the Koran on my last trip to the Persian Gulf, 1995. There are contradictions in the Bible, but that Koran had me totally bumfuzzled.

68 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:14:33pm

Ruby Ridge led to Waco, and Waco led to the Oklahoma City bombing.

And it was all seekrity directed by a young Barack Obama from his armed family compound in Kenya, and carried out by ACORN and union thugs, to discredit the Patriot Movement. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.

I'd say this militia has a mole. Probably that dog on the right, who looks like he's sick of listening to small-arms fire day and night.

69 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:14:56pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of them look kind of out of shape.

That's the kind of militia I'd belong to.

We'd call it The Apathy Brigade.

My son, who is watching LGF from Tampa, suggests the one in the middle is "Jabba the Hutaree".

70 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:15:06pm

re: #64 Jadespring

Oh wait I know. They planned a raid into Canada to liberate a commie bacon factory.

We intend to improve your pronunciation of "about"!!

71 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:16:21pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

My son, who is watching LGF from Tampa, suggests the one in the middle is "Jabba the Hutaree".

sign him up - that kind of wit is quite welcome here!

72 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:16:44pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb
Mwahahaha!
This is how you deflate these nutbars. Poke fun at them.
"Now go away, before I 'ave to isult you some more".

73 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:17:13pm

To close the Circle of Idiocy, here is last week's Nutcase of the Day (the window-breaker Pasionaria). He has a take on the militia action. Again, in cache:

[Link: 74.125.93.132...]

74 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:17:32pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Ruby Ridge led to Waco, and Waco led to the Oklahoma City bombing.

And it was all seekrity directed by a young Barack Obama from his armed family compound in Kenya, and carried out by ACORN and union thugs, to discredit the Patriot Movement. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.

I'd say this militia has a mole. Probably that dog on the right, who looks like he's sick of listening to small-arms fire day and night.

no, the one in the middle... his weapon has a wooden stock.

75 researchok  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:17:48pm

Whack job central.

76 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:18:15pm

"Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive"

translation:

"n*gger in the white house, get yer guns ready"

77 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:19:50pm

sorry to self-promote, but did everyone enjoy the Michigan Militia song? Moxy Fruvous at their finest...

"Happy Birthday, Tricia
I'm in the Michigan Militia..."

re: #12 Aceofwhat?

it's moxy fruvous time!!!

[Video]

78 uninformed opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:20:45pm

So, how long before christian extremist training camps out of country?

79 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:20:57pm

It's halftime!
So I was watching the Master Spy and I had some ideas for the future..
Wouldn't it be be cool if the master spy ran in virtual windows? One side had comments..Another was running a real time LGF window..a click on a comment would quote that poster in real time in the other virtual window..And a widget that allowed you to tag a poster of interest..For instance..If I clicked on Reine's nic a widget would allow me to read all her postings for that day.. I could just add them to a group that captures all their posts and I read them when I want and reply to the proper thread...

80 balljar  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:21:02pm

Probably all Airsoft weapons.

Like these guys

81 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:21:18pm

re: #76 SpaceJesus
I think these idiots have been around longer than Obamas been president. But his election probably triggered more idiotic behavior by these morons.

82 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:21:33pm

re: #76 SpaceJesus

"Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive"

translation:

"n*gger in the white house, get yer guns ready"

take it from a sane Christian: God does not need our help in "battle". If He did, we are following the wrooong God. (i have the same criticism of some Muslims, too, but it's more powerful when directed at one's own house...)

83 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:22:15pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Ruby Ridge. The sole instance of an FBI sniper taking the 5th, ever. Hopefully for ever.

84 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:23:55pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

It's halftime!
So I was watching the Master Spy and I had some ideas for the future..
Wouldn't it be be cool if the master spy ran in virtual windows? One side had comments..Another was running a real time LGF window..a click on a comment would quote that poster in real time in the other virtual window..And a widget that allowed you to tag a poster of interest..For instance..If I clicked on Reine's nic a widget would allow me to read all her postings for that day.. I could just add them to a group that captures all their posts and I read them when I want and reply to the proper thread...

Toss Charles some more scooby snacks, and make it worth his while!

85 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:24:31pm

re: #76 SpaceJesus

Got a fishing pole to go with that bait? :)

86 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:24:50pm

The Michigan Militia invades the Upper Peninsula in search of the Holy Pipe Bomb, where they encounter some people who appear to be of French descent.

Youtube Video
87 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:25:25pm

i kind of miss geocities. oh wait

88 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:26:00pm

re: #67 pingjockey

I'm sorry to hear that. I read the Koran on my last trip to the Persian Gulf, 1995. There are contradictions in the Bible, but that Koran had me totally bumfuzzled.

My friend's friend married a Moroccan fellow. The whole thing smelled fishy to me when I got a few details. P.S. they ended up divorcing. I always assumed she was listening to anti-Semitic rhetoric.

89 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:27:48pm

re: #85 Rightwingconspirator

Got a fishing pole to go with that bait? :)

Obama took it away from him.

90 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:28:03pm

re: #88 marjoriemoon
There is a bunch of that in the Koran, and a bunch of these so called Christian militias are anti-semitic too.

91 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:29:20pm

Hey everyone. OT - for those of you who interested in my social life, I talked to the woman I met last week and we have a date Friday. I'll let you know how it goes, I guess, next week.

92 zora  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:29:38pm

re: #90 pingjockey

the hutaree site has an evil jew forum.

93 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:29:57pm

Later folks, going to get some lunch.

94 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:30:52pm

re: #91 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hey everyone. OT - for those of you who interested in my social life, I talked to the woman I met last week and we have a date Friday. I'll let you know how it goes, I guess, next week.

Take to one of your gigs, and bring her backstage.

95 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:31:36pm

re: #92 zora
Well of course they do. They are morons. And we all know it's da Juice that run/control everything. These people are dangerously stupid.

96 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:31:50pm

re: #92 zora

the hutaree site has an evil jew forum.

It's obligatory. You can buy them ready-made from Stormfront and just past them into your site.

97 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:33:00pm

re: #91 Mad Al-Jaffee

Good luck.

98 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:33:34pm

re: #84 The Sanity Inspector

Toss Charles some more scooby snacks, and make it worth his while!

I was brain storming about blogging during halftime..What is going to be like in 10 years?
I really like the idea of running virtual windows that are linked..
And linking posters with blogging agents..
* The Sanity Inspector said you were an asshole today master*
No he did not!
*Yes he did..and that's not all*
That fucker..Pull up his posts and bring my scribe online!
*Here you go Master*
*wink*
Cambridge University first came up with the idea of programming agents in the 90's.. An agent would deliver links to newspapers you selected every morning

99 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:33:53pm

re: #91 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hey everyone. OT - for those of you who interested in my social life, I talked to the woman I met last week and we have a date Friday. I'll let you know how it goes, I guess, next week.

very cool. wear good shoes. she'll notice.

100 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:34:00pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Take to one of your gigs, and bring her backstage.

I have a gig Saturday, and if Friday goes well I'll put her on the guest list.

101 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:34:34pm

re: #48 The Sanity Inspector

Shades of the 90s...

Which is exactly what these guys are praying for:

Tea Party Blogger Hints That Pelosi’s Life Is In Danger, Warns Of ‘A Thousand Little Waco’s’

102 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:35:18pm

Robin Williams; The Survivors.

Mathau;
Wes is just a man like you or me.

Williams;
You'll smoke a turd in hell for that remark!


Good clean survivalist/militia movie.

103 cineaste  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:36:03pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

another one...
Really? Now the Christians are the enemy? Wow! It looks like the liberals’s war of words has escalated into a real war targeting Christians.

People really need to learn the difference between correlation and causation.

The government targets illegal militias. A large number of militia are Christian. This does not mean that the government targets Christians.

*head smack*

It's like when people talk about pot being a gateway drug because a large number of crack addicts have smoked pot. Well by that rationale, a large number of crack addicts also probably drank water at some point in their life too but it doesn't mean causation...

104 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:36:49pm

re: #81 pingjockey

I think these idiots have been around longer than Obamas been president. But his election probably triggered more idiotic behavior by these morons.

probably, but im sure these guys see an african american in the white house as a sign of the end times

105 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:37:52pm

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

very cool. wear good shoes. she'll notice.

All of my shoes are pretty lame. Maybe I should buy some new ones this week.

106 Cineaste  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:38:28pm

re: #104 spacejesus

probably, but im sure these guys see an african american in the white house as a sign of the end times

FTFY //

Remember, they're probably birthers too...

107 DaddyLawBucks  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:38:38pm

re: #104 spacejesus

These guys hear the rhetoric of the TP folks and it validates their insanity. Now they have Sarah & Glen on the nation stage encouraging them, so in their own minds, they are legitimate, and so is their "war of liberation".

108 DaddyLawBucks  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:40:21pm

opps, that was "national" stage, not nation

109 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:41:17pm

beer run...

110 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:41:59pm

re: #105 Mad Al-Jaffee

All of my shoes are pretty lame. Maybe I should buy some new ones this week.

well...so i'm the sort of guy who believes that every guy should have at least one pair of great shoes...but if you buy a pair, make sure that you buy them for yourself, not her.

111 Lemon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:42:31pm

re: #107 daddylawbucks

I think this is a very good point.

With the mainstreaming of a lot of crazy rhetoric, people who have historically been shunned as extremist now see themselves as vindicated. I believe they'd be more likely to take action because they feel they have public support now, almost like a form of peer pressure. They're just more likely to pull something when they have more backers.

112 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:43:18pm

re: #91 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hey everyone. OT - for those of you who interested in my social life, I talked to the woman I met last week and we have a date Friday. I'll let you know how it goes, I guess, next week.

Take precautions...

Youtube Video
113 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:44:08pm

Drive through post since I have company today and need to get on it.

Here's a quick trailer from a Wes Anderson film that's a long time fave of mine, and is on the subject of boys dressing up and trying to be bad guys.

Bottle Rocket

Youtube Video

It's pure fun and all the comedy is there. You end up loving these nutcases, which is not part of being compatible with our subject. These guys pictured in the article are to be laughed at and then put out of business, but are way too hard to love. Unless you're their mothers. In that case they need to be sent to their rooms for a very long time.

114 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:47:49pm

re: #110 Aceofwhat?

I have some decent shoes that I wear to work and to gigs, but all of them are well worn and scuffed.

115 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:49:00pm

re: #114 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have some decent shoes that I wear to work and to gigs, but all of them are well worn and scuffed.

nothing wrong with that. worn and scuffed = personality...

116 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:49:18pm

re: #109 brookly red

beer run...

You realize that in the State of Indiana there is no beer run on Sundays?
You either got beer or not on Sundays.. There is no middle ground in the Bible belt

117 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:50:58pm

Google fails me sometimes. But looking at the media upset over a doubling of casualties in Afghanistan... Every life lost is a tragedy for the family and a sacrifice for the nations. But is 57 in a month. Is that not some new record low for escalating / offensive combat ops with that many troops? Seems to me it's a sign we are doing a lot right there.

118 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:51:04pm

These people are, as someone commented about the teabagger racists on the last thread, weapons-grade stupid.

They're supposedly a clandestine organization, and they go on YouTube and post links to all their "subscribers" (403 of 'em) and "friends" (211).

Some very unhappy people are having their doors kicked in and warrants served as we speak.

Isn't social networking wonderful?

119 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:51:26pm

re: #118 Cato the Elder

Darwin award?

120 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:52:15pm

re: #119 Rightwingconspirator

Darwin award?

i love the sound of a gene pool being cleansed in the afternoon...

121 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:53:39pm

Heh, shows just how "bad ass" they are by getting PWND by the FBI and DHS.

122 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:53:53pm

re: #114 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have some decent shoes that I wear to work and to gigs, but all of them are well worn and scuffed.

Shell out for some new ones. No matter how casual and down to earth she is, she will take note that you spiffed yourself up on her account.

123 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:53:59pm

re: #115 Aceofwhat?

nothing wrong with that. worn and scuffed = personality...

Yeah, we'll see. I was pretty happy today when I called her and instead of her asking who this was on the phone she talked to me like she knew me and asked how I was doing. Good sign, I guess.

124 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:54:45pm

re: #116 HoosierHoops

You realize that in the State of Indiana there is no beer run on Sundays?
You either got beer or not on Sundays.. There is no middle ground in the Bible belt

Indiana has trained the Hoopster to plan ahead.

Congrats on the Butler win.

And with that, I'm gonna make like Mrs. Hogwallop and up and r-u-n-n-o-f-t.

125 Linden Arden  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:54:54pm

Interesting intrastate militia comments -


But here's the deal, Feds. If you kill anyone or burn somebody's house or church down with them inside, you will have started a civil war, no matter how despicable the Hutaree are, or how crazy, or how provocative. If that happens, there will be NOTHING responsible leaders of the constitutional militia movement will be able to do from our side to stop it. You will have crossed the Rubicon.

The Hutaree have indicated in the past that, much like John Brown, they WANTED to start a civil war, which is why no responsible militia group in Michigan was willing to ally with them.

Link

126 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:56:03pm

re: #124 Silvergirl

Indiana has trained the Hoopster to plan ahead.

Congrats on the Butler win.

And with that, I'm gonna make like Mrs. Hogwallop and up and r-u-n-n-o-f-t.

ahhh...Oh Brother Where Art Thou quotes set my heart aflutter. Your company is in good hands...

127 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:56:09pm

re: #117 Rightwingconspirator

Google fails me sometimes. But looking at the media upset over a doubling of casualties in Afghanistan... Every life lost is a tragedy for the family and a sacrifice for the nations. But is 57 in a month. Is that not some new record low for escalating / offensive combat ops with that many troops? Seems to me it's a sign we are doing a lot right there.

And if we were standing off, fighting solely with drones, incurring zero casualties, then we'd have Bill Maher bloviating about what cowards our military are. And media liberals huzzahing him on his bravery in saying so.

128 psyence  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:56:12pm

The UN flag burning video had a Sisters of Mercy song attached to it. lawl

129 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:57:30pm

re: #124 Silvergirl

Indiana has trained the Hoopster to plan ahead.

Congrats on the Butler win.

And with that, I'm gonna make like Mrs. Hogwallop and up and r-u-n-n-o-f-t.

Oh! My Hair!
be well ..Great quote Silvergirl!

130 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:57:48pm

re: #117 Rightwingconspirator

Google fails me sometimes. But looking at the media upset over a doubling of casualties in Afghanistan... Every life lost is a tragedy for the family and a sacrifice for the nations. But is 57 in a month. Is that not some new record low for escalating / offensive combat ops with that many troops? Seems to me it's a sign we are doing a lot right there.

Updung, but not to dismiss the dead.

131 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:58:07pm

A few details are leaking out....
Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group


Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers who are preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
...
Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.
...
One of the Hutaree members called the Michigan militia for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who was of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help.

"They are more of survivalist group and in an emergency they withdraw and stand their ground. They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said.

132 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:58:41pm

Disturbing, to say the least.

133 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:59:24pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Right, because how will the Lord conquer without the help of Jabba the Hutaree and his merry coterie...eyeroll...

134 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 12:59:51pm

Wolverines!

135 allegro  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:00:08pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said.

Dead?

136 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:00:13pm

re: #116 HoosierHoops

You realize that in the State of Indiana there is no beer run on Sundays?
You either got beer or not on Sundays.. There is no middle ground in the Bible belt

I have heard stories... and quite frankly some of them scare me. Fortunately I live a block way from a shopping street with beer 24/7, now even 24/7 sushi.

137 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:00:28pm

How much do these losers not put their money where their mouth is if not one of them fires a shot or surrenders wihtout taking a bullet? You can be evil without being also a hypocrite.

138 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:01:34pm

re: #127 The Sanity Inspector

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Every casualty is a damn shame. Hence we only go to war when we must. But, yeah my reaction is to congratulate the commanders for a job well done. Especially considering the kid gloves we have on. Taking fire and not calling in that air strike due to civilians is a hell of a thing. Tough call under fire. Anyway I'm proud of our efforts there. Bill Maher et al got nothing for me. Nada. Zilch.

139 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:01:36pm

I used to know a guy who was a little like this bunch. He had a shoe box full pot seeds and he used to run his fingers through the seeds. He had a water purification system in his basement that was big. He had knives and assorted guns.

They say, '...If someone comes after me...' but they don't go looking for trouble in my experience.

140 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:01:46pm

Darwin Awards list.

141 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:02:25pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

"They are more of survivalist group and in an emergency they withdraw and stand their ground. They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said. "


Wow. That is so more polite than saying;

They run and hide until they are cornered like rats.

142 zora  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:03:15pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

...Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.

...One of the Hutaree members called the Michigan militia for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who was of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help.

ha!

From The Detroit News: [Link: www.detnews.com...]
veWF3

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:03:16pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

All, please keep these these people distinct from "Hutterites". They are a very cool Anabaptist group (like Amish, but with computers).

I was thinking of them, and then thinking that there couldn't be a connection because, well, Anabaptists and heavily armed don't really go together.

144 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:03:37pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

A few details are leaking out...
Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

"They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said.

What a bunch of rubes. Also, this cartoon seems strangely appropriate today:

Image: 2010-03-28.gif

145 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:04:22pm

I don't get militia groups...
One 2000lb bomb coming up. How the hell do they expect to stand up to hilariously superior firepower?

146 BaseballMom57  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:04:23pm

re: #51 Aceofwhat?

I completely agree, Ace. My grandmother took my brother to one when he was in elementary school. Totally freaked him out and he hasn't been in a church since.

I attend a Baptist church, and there is none of that kind of nonsense. There's a lot of "walk the walk, not just talk the talk", and we need to be reminded of that anyway.

147 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:04:27pm

re: #118 Cato the Elder

These people are, as someone commented about the teabagger racists on the last thread, weapons-grade stupid.

They're supposedly a clandestine organization, and they go on YouTube and post links to all their "subscribers" (403 of 'em) and "friends" (211).

Some very unhappy people are having their doors kicked in and warrants served as we speak.

Isn't social networking wonderful?

it amazes me that sometimes the people that are most worried about their rights forget about the one to remain silent.

148 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:04:27pm
They are actively training to be alongside Jesus


This Jesus?

149 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:05:13pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

I don't get militia groups...
One 2000lb bomb coming up. How the hell do they expect to stand up to hilariously superior firepower?

martyr complex.

150 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:06:00pm

re: #136 brookly red

I have heard stories... and quite frankly some of them scare me. Fortunately I live a block way from a shopping street with beer 24/7, now even 24/7 sushi.


You have to plan ahead as a Hoosier...Cause the Church is here to save you on Sundays in Indiana..
I've got a beer fridge next to the swimming pool..
I'm not buying the bullshit...
If Jesus gets to drink wine..I get to drink Bud light..Get over it
*wink*

151 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:06:07pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

I don't get militia groups...
One 2000lb bomb coming up. How the hell do they expect to stand up to hilariously superior firepower?

/well once there was this kid named David...

152 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:06:31pm

Going back to my Netflix dvds. See you all tomorrow, or later tonight.

153 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:06:33pm

re: #145 Varek Raith
everybody's fight or flight response is different

154 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:07:30pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

No reason we should "get" that mentality. All we need to understand is the meaning of one word.
Wrong.

155 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:07:54pm

re: #153 Plato

everybody's fight or flight response is different

Heh, mine says. "Oh, shit a tank. I'm gtfo of here!"
;)

156 DaddyLawBucks  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:08:38pm

BBL

157 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:08:51pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

No reason we should "get" that mentality. All we need to understand is the meaning of one word.
Wrong.

True. It's annoying that my mind seeks reason behind just about everything...
:/

158 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:09:11pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

The question is: what is our limit?

159 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:09:37pm

re: #158 Plato

The question is: what is our limit?


Dare I ask?
Limit to what?

160 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:09:47pm

religious groups training to fight on behalf and/or alongside their relevant deity... this sounds familiar.

161 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:10:23pm

re: #142 zora

...Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.

...One of the Hutaree members called the Michigan militia for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who was of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help.

ha!

From The Detroit News: [Link: www.detnews.com...]
veWF3

/oh I can here it now... Islamists infiltrate militias.

162 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:10:25pm

re: #157 Varek Raith
I hope we never learn what the 'what' is.

163 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:11:50pm

re: #160 Uninformed Opinion
It's only been going on for thousands of years.

164 The Curmudgeon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:12:58pm

That's the good thing about being a Curmudgeon. Everything bothers me, but I don't bother anyone.

165 BaseballMom57  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:14:39pm

re: #122 The Sanity Inspector

Hmmmm... never really looked at shoes. Mostly noticed if the guy had clean hair (didn't matter the length, just had to be well kept), good teeth, clean nails, honest eyes (they look at you during a conversation).

This is probably because I am not the average female - I hate "fashion", and own three pair of shoes. Two of them are tennies.

166 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:15:05pm

re: #163 Plato

It's only been going on for thousands of years.

i wouldn't label the last two millennia as wholly without progress...

167 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:16:47pm

re: #166 Aceofwhat?

what do you mean?

168 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:17:05pm

re: #163 Plato

It's only been going on for thousands of years.

Oh, i know. It was more a parallel between the rise of the christian right in this country with rise of violent islamic nationalism. The interplay is quite intriguing.

169 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:17:33pm

re: #166 Aceofwhat?

i wouldn't label the last two millennia as wholly without progress...

I don't know, we can put a man on the moon but we can't make an edible frozen pizza?

170 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:18:27pm

re: #168 Uninformed Opinion

what about before that...the babylonians against ancient israel?

171 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:19:05pm

re: #170 Plato

what about before that...the babylonians against ancient israel?

what about it?

172 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:19:28pm

re: #169 brookly red

I don't know, we can put a man on the moon but we can't make an edible frozen pizza?

Try letting it thaw before you eat it. And why the hell would anyone from the NYC area dare to even be eating a frozen pizza... blasphemy.

173 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #171 Uninformed Opinion

Religious war goes back far before Christians and Muslims fought.

174 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:20:35pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Try letting it thaw before you eat it. And why the hell would anyone from the NYC area dare to even be eating a frozen pizza... blasphemy.

sometimes I got to travel...

175 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:20:43pm

re: #169 brookly red

Ha! We will have warp drive first. Frozen is not fresh.

176 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:20:51pm

re: #167 Plato

what do you mean?

'it has been going on for thousands of years' implies a certain lack of progress for thousands of years. i would disagree.

177 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:21:22pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

I don't get militia groups...
One 2000lb bomb coming up. How the hell do they expect to stand up to hilariously superior firepower?

If they get killed by the federal government, that'll just prove their point to many among the onlookers.

178 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:21:35pm

re: #173 Plato

Religious war goes back far before Christians and Muslims fought.

This is relevant how?

179 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:21:36pm

re: #174 brookly red

sometimes I got to travel...

Pack a lunch.

180 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:21:54pm

re: #176 Aceofwhat? what's old becomes new

181 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:22:08pm

Because Christ taught us to love thy neighbor and overthrow the government.

Wait. What?

"Render unto Caesar that which is ?"

"Uh... No separation of church and state"

"Wrong, mouth-breather. The quote is "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. So the quote supports the separation of church and state!"

"Yeah? Like who said that, man? Karl Marx?

"Jesus Christ!"

"Hey! Don't get testy! You could have the decency to answer me instead of cussin' me out."

"Does your mother know you are this stupid?"

182 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:22:12pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Try letting it thaw before you eat it. And why the hell would anyone from the NYC area dare to even be eating a frozen pizza... blasphemy.

because if it's not a proper Chicago pizza, it's crap. Some wannabe Totino's frozen pizza from New York will just turn to ashes in your mouth.

183 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:22:36pm

One of the videos for this toy solider group has the Sisters of Mercy as the background music.

They would not approve.

184 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:22:50pm

re: #173 Plato

Religious war goes back far before Christians and Muslims fought.

so does war itself. religion is not a necessary ingredient.

185 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:23:07pm

re: #178 Uninformed Opinion

we were talking about religious war and somebody related it to Christians and Muslims and I just enlarged the scope

187 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:23:59pm

re: #180 Plato

what's old becomes new

the scale of things is not an unimportant variable.

188 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:24:09pm

re: #185 Plato

we were talking about religious war and somebody related it to Christians and Muslims and I just enlarged the scope

yes, it is more important to focus on the macro issue of global strife through the ages. not so much about how the christian right is using tactics similiar to islamic terrorists.

189 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:25:02pm

re: #182 keloyd

because if it's not a proper Chicago pizza, it's crap. Some wannabe Totino's frozen pizza from New York will just turn to ashes in your mouth.

Note to self:
One time in my life I want to eat Pizza in NYC...

190 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:25:13pm

re: #182 keloyd

because if it's not a proper Chicago pizza, it's crap. Some wannabe Totino's frozen pizza from New York will just turn to ashes in your mouth.

Chicago pizza... another blasphemy.

191 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:26:00pm

re: #183 Gus 802

One of the videos for this toy solider group has the Sisters of Mercy as the background music.

They would not approve.

Leonard Cohen's? That would be ironic.

192 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:26:22pm

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

Pack a lunch.

yeah, so I am on the airport security screening line holding this pie from Stromboli's and the guards are looking at each other & thinking fuckin A! lunch time...

193 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:26:29pm

re: #188 Uninformed Opinion

yes, it is more important to focus on the macro issue of global strife through the ages. not so much about how the christian right is using tactics similiar to islamic terrorists.

indeed. we can condemn and deride these losers without pretending that they've been strapping dynamite to themselves and blowing up families...

194 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:26:38pm

re: #187 Aceofwhat?

the scale of things is not an unimportant variable.

Some people need to be smacked with a relevance stick sometimes (relevance stick (tm) Walter L. Newton)

195 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:26:51pm

re: #190 Walter L. Newton

Chicago pizza... another blasphemy.

well...it's good...it's just not pizza. but it's good.

196 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:27:25pm

re: #185 Plato

we were talking about religious war and somebody related it to Christians and Muslims and I just enlarged the scope

I mean, I am sure that with all of the research all of the governments in the world have been doing to combat islamic terrorism, we might be able, with America's surplus of white christians, be able to deal with this before it gets out of hand. lets not get too existential.

197 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:27:25pm

re: #192 brookly red

yeah, so I am on the airport security screening line holding this pie from Stromboli's and the guards are looking at each other & thinking fuckin A! lunch time...

I know someone who mail a 14 pound lasagnas once.

198 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:27:34pm

re: #192 brookly red

Step away from the pie..

199 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:27:38pm

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Some people need to be smacked with a relevance stick sometimes (relevance stick (tm) Walter L. Newton)

i grant your trademark. you're highly skilled in relevant caning...

200 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:27:58pm

re: #195 Aceofwhat?

well...it's good...it's just not pizza. but it's good.

It will do in an emergency... like Armageddon.

201 compound idaho  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:29:01pm

re: #83 Rightwingconspirator

Ruby Ridge. The sole instance of an FBI sniper taking the 5th, ever. Hopefully for ever.

Also got off of the State manslaughter charges based on sovereign immunity.

202 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:29:14pm

re: #190 Walter L. Newton

Chicago pizza... another blasphemy.

You don't know what blasphemy is.
Go to England and order an "American Pizza"! I'll show you blasphemy!

Is there enough corn on your pizza sir? /Yeah. More than enough.

203 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:29:37pm

If Chicago pizza, 3 inches thick, a half pound of cheese on each slice, requiring a fork and knife, is blasphemy, then I'm going to walk to and fro upon the earth, and up and down on it, and go get one now. My lunch was too early, too small, and just didn't take, gotta try again.

204 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:29:57pm

re: #193 Aceofwhat?

indeed. we can condemn and deride these losers without pretending that they've been strapping dynamite to themselves and blowing up families...

so we should ignore the possibility of it happening?

its only been 15 years since the last time.

205 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:30:41pm

re: #195 Aceofwhat?

well...it's good...it's just not pizza. but it's good.

I heard that the original Chicago pizza was created by one of Nettie's crew who after and unfortunate incident had his jaw wired shut and need to eat thru a straw...

206 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:30:54pm

re: #203 keloyd

If Chicago pizza, 3 inches thick, a half pound of cheese on each slice, requiring a fork and knife, is blasphemy, then I'm going to walk to and fro upon the earth, and up and down on it, and go get one now. My lunch was too early, too small, and just didn't take, gotta try again.

Just like to politics in Chicago... heavy handed... pizza is not suppose to look like a slab of concrete.

207 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:31:16pm

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

I know someone who mail a 14 pound lasagnas once.

When I was on an exercise my wife made a date-nut bread precisely to fit a .50 cal ammo can and mailed it to me. The Army Post Office pukes in Turkey smelled it through the metal can and neoprene seal. "Sharezies."

208 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:31:40pm

re: #201 compound idaho

All as a result of entrapment. For a single shotgun sold illegally.

209 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:32:15pm

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

I know someone who mail a 14 pound lasagnas once.

Katz's still ships salamis btw...

210 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:32:24pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

When I was on an exercise my wife made a date-nut bread precisely to fit a .50 cal ammo can and mailed it to me. The Army Post Office pukes in Turkey smelled it through the metal can and neoprene seal. "Sharezies."

Kool...

211 Jolo5309  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:32:33pm

So I had never heard of the Hutaree so I read a little about them, and I found this, which surely must make Ron Paul happy:
She joined the tightly-knit unit after meeting several members at a Ron Paul rally several years ago in Ann Arbor. Lineweaver opposes surveillance cameras on streets, the use of body scanners at airports and fears the government may microchip people.

212 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:33:45pm

re: #204 Uninformed Opinion

so we should ignore the possibility of it happening?

its only been 15 years since the last time.

of course not. but it's nothing like living next to a Hamas cell.

they're all a few cards short of a full deck, but a spade is a spade. this isn't just typical 'religious violence' like you'd see in Gaza.

213 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:33:47pm

re: #209 brookly red

Katz's still ships salamis btw...

Actually found some Russian/Jewish deli's on the east side of Denver, about a 40 mile drive from me. We head over there a few times a year to stock up on some stuff.

214 compound idaho  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:34:45pm

re: #208 Rightwingconspirator

All as a result of entrapment. For a single shotgun sold illegally.

Found not guilty on 9 of 10 charges. The one was failure to appear. For the life of me I cannot figure out how that one stuck given the screw-ups behind it.

215 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:35:13pm

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Actually found some Russian/Jewish deli's on the east side of Denver, about a 40 mile drive from me. We head over there a few times a year to stock up on some stuff.

excellent.

216 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:35:36pm

OH - you want blasphemy - I had a taco plate in Whitehorse, Yukon territory once. They should have stuck to reindeer jerky, Molson, poutine, and cheese curds.

re: #208 Rightwingconspirator

All as a result of entrapment. For a single shotgun sold illegally.


That Ruby Ridge thing was sad. They were white nationalist separatists living out in the middle of nowhere, but once the system plays fast and loose with their rights, the rest of us are next. Today's balkanized media would have trouble processing a story like that.

217 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:36:38pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Step away from the pie..

she had the nerve to start eating it in front of me...

218 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:37:22pm

re: #217 brookly red

she had the nerve to start eating it in front of me...

in the security line???

219 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:37:35pm

re: #217 brookly red

Jeez--I thought you were joking.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:37:48pm

re: #203 keloyd
I love Chicago deep dish pizza.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:39:36pm

re: #216 keloyd

I went to a Chinese restaurant in Boston, wasn't an Asian person in the place. Yeah, Irish Chinese.

Completely and totally disgusting.

222 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:39:37pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

in the security line???

I was... it's a joke. I did however have a cop eat my shrimp dumplings on the Brooklyn Bridge after making me pour out my beer.

223 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:39:58pm

re: #216 keloyd

That is the thing about real tolerance. you allow those weird guys way out there to think and live as they like, trash talk and all. As long as they do not break the law. And of course you do not trick them into doing so.

Oh and to address your other subject-I have traveled in the US a lot. 5 days in Manhattan every year for two decades. Get this-One of the best pizzas I ever had was in Tucson. Magpies pizza. I "NOM"inate it for best Pizza in an unlikely place ever.

224 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:40:25pm

Mich State is coming to Indy for the Final Four!
Oh dear Lord..Indy is just going to be hopping this weekend...There are going to be so many Michigan fans here in a few days...
Congrads Michigan fans..
/Psssst.. Don't mess with Michigan fans..Those guys are fucking crazy...

225 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:41:43pm

re: #224 HoosierHoops

Mich State is coming to Indy for the Final Four!
Oh dear Lord..Indy is just going to be hopping this weekend...There are going to be so many Michigan fans here in a few days...
Congrads Michigan fans..
/Pssst.. Don't mess with Michigan fans..Those guys are fucking crazy...

There will be a handful who can't make it.....BBL

226 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:42:25pm

re: #212 Aceofwhat?

of course not. but it's nothing like living next to a Hamas cell.

they're all a few cards short of a full deck, but a spade is a spade. this isn't just typical 'religious violence' like you'd see in Gaza.

No, it isnt. But lets not forget how easy it is to recruit people. We have had islamic sleeper cells in the us, as well as us citizens hightailing it to other locales to fight for a cause (horrifically against our own troops)
christian sleeper cells are not a far stretch.

227 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:43:11pm

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I went to a Chinese restaurant in Boston, wasn't an Asian person in the place. Yeah, Irish Chinese.

Completely and totally disgusting.

well the other extreme is walking into a place in Chinatown and having everyone stare at you...

228 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:43:45pm

re: #226 Uninformed Opinion

No, it isnt. But lets not forget how easy it is to recruit people. We have had islamic sleeper cells in the us, as well as us citizens hightailing it to other locales to fight for a cause (horrifically against our own troops)
christian sleeper cells are not a far stretch.

yes they are. that's absurd.

229 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:44:47pm

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I went to a Chinese restaurant in Boston, wasn't an Asian person in the place. Yeah, Irish Chinese.

Completely and totally disgusting.

That works very well in Dallas. We have a decent size Chinese and Korean minority here and lots of Asian restaurants. If the waitress hardly speaks English and the customers are all on the same team as where the food came from (also if the soft drinks come in cans, not the fountain, not a big deal but it works as a proxy variable) - EXCELLENT.

If it's all white yuppies - youre getting salty glazey tasteless chunks of crap.

Also, I have yet to see an assimilated Korean restaurant. They're all for Korean customers, in my experience.

230 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:45:26pm

re: #228 Aceofwhat?

yes they are. that's absurd.

oh?

You realize that if this had happened in a third world country the press release would read something like "government seizes weapons cache, arrests militants"

231 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:47:55pm

re: #229 keloyd

That works very well in Dallas. We have a decent size Chinese and Korean minority here and lots of Asian restaurants. If the waitress hardly speaks English and the customers are all on the same team as where the food came from (also if the soft drinks come in cans, not the fountain, not a big deal but it works as a proxy variable) - EXCELLENT.

If it's all white yuppies - youre getting salty glazey tasteless chunks of crap.

Also, I have yet to see an assimilated Korean restaurant. They're all for Korean customers, in my experience.

I would think Korean food would do well in Texas... they have been barbecuing for like 6,000 years & are not afraid of peppers.

232 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:47:59pm

re: #230 Uninformed Opinion

oh?

You realize that if this had happened in a third world country the press release would read something like "government seizes weapons cache, arrests militants"

sheesh. do you also fear buddhist cells, hindu cells, and taoist cells? just because Islam needs a reformation doesn't mean you can logically extend your worry across religious boundaries with no respect for context.

and the press release would have been incorrect. do you really think this particular group of idiots were poised to go Tamil Tiger on Lansing or Flint?

no. it's disturbing relative to the complete lack of such crap we should expect in this country. it's nothing relative to the grander scheme of existing 'religious conflict'.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:51:09pm

re: #227 brookly red

well the other extreme is walking into a place in Chinatown and having everyone stare at you...

Always happy to find a PF Changs.

234 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:52:18pm

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here are the numbers:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Click on the graph below Blow's picture.

Note the increase since the Dems took Congress in '06.

Scary.

235 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:52:33pm

re: #232 Aceofwhat?

sheesh. do you also fear buddhist cells, hindu cells, and taoist cells? just because Islam needs a reformation doesn't mean you can logically extend your worry across religious boundaries with no respect for context.

and the press release would have been incorrect. do you really think this particular group of idiots were poised to go Tamil Tiger on Lansing or Flint?

no. it's disturbing relative to the complete lack of such crap we should expect in this country. it's nothing relative to the grander scheme of existing 'religious conflict'.


The rise of christian theocracy, armed militias, and revisionist history propogating the two get my knickers in a twist.

236 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:53:01pm

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Always happy to find a PF Changs.

I don't know of them, but if you are ever planning to be in NYC let me know & I will provide you with a list of veggie dim sum spots...

237 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:53:22pm

re: #231 brookly red

1. Kimchi is scary. I can't name 5 white people who like it, though I like it.
2. We're jealous we didn't come up with the idea of putting a fried egg on top of any random thing.
3. Koreans don't seem to make the effort, as a whole. Many Chinese restaurants actively cater to the locals. I had Indian friends in grad school tell me how Indo-Chinese restaurants were nothing like the big Chinese buffets here in the US. Korean restaurants appear to only be in Korean areas and market to ethnic Koreans, though they don't mind the occasional long nosed devil coming in and spending money and squinting to read the tiny English print under the Korean on the menus.

238 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:54:18pm

re: #235 Uninformed Opinion

The rise of christian theocracy, armed militias, and revisionist history propogating the two get my knickers in a twist.

Where is there a Christian theocracy?

239 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:54:48pm

Sisters of Mercy might be godawful, but metal it's not!

240 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:56:10pm

re: #237 keloyd

1. Kimchi is scary. I can't name 5 white people who like it, though I like it.
2. We're jealous we didn't come up with the idea of putting a fried egg on top of any random thing.
3. Koreans don't seem to make the effort, as a whole. Many Chinese restaurants actively cater to the locals. I had Indian friends in grad school tell me how Indo-Chinese restaurants were nothing like the big Chinese buffets here in the US. Korean restaurants appear to only be in Korean areas and market to ethnic Koreans, though they don't mind the occasional long nosed devil coming in and spending money and squinting to read the tiny English print under the Korean on the menus.

huh, well if you ever do find one that is user friendly Korean food is good stuff.

241 Bulldoglover100  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:56:22pm

re: #228 Aceofwhat?

Christian Sleeper Cell? Thats what I would call the group that the guy who shot and killed the Doctor in Kansas......

242 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:56:22pm

Was that sunken South Korean patrol boat the work of Nork special forces after all? Joshua Stanton hypothesizes in the updates to this post.

243 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:56:23pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Where is there a Christian theocracy?

would you like to deny that a number of prominent republican politicians have christian theocratic views?

244 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:57:03pm

re: #235 Uninformed Opinion

The rise of christian theocracy, armed militias, and revisionist history propogating the two get my knickers in a twist.

fine. nothing wrong with that statement. But twisted knickers and Tamil Tigers don't belong in the same sentence. It's not even close.

like i said - mind the scale and scope. I'm not worried that you're calling out these "Christians" so much as i'm worried that you're diminishing the incredible need for Islam to transform itself.

245 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:57:08pm

re: #231 brookly red

I would think Korean food would do well in Texas... they have been barbecuing for like 6,000 years & are not afraid of peppers.

They do well in Austin. Bul Go Ki, Bi Bim Bam....yummy!

Lots of Vietnamese noodle houses. Love that Pho. And if want hot, go Thai.

I've spent enough time in Asia to appreciate authenticity. The Asian food here is the real deal.

246 Jolo5309  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:57:47pm

My wire: #237 keloyd

My wife likes it, I purchase it from the Asian market about 5 minutes from my house.

247 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:57:58pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Where is there a Christian theocracy?

a minor detail...

248 zora  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:58:11pm

re: #237 keloyd

i love kimchi. anyone in the dc metro area that doesn't like or feel comfortable in korean restaurants, should try h mart or super h mart. they are very friendly. they have prepared food, semi-prepared, and a huge grocery store of korean delights. the produce and seafood sections are great. the kimchi section has every kind of kimchi imaginable and the prices are reasonable.

249 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:58:33pm

re: #243 Uninformed Opinion

would you like to deny that a number of prominent republican politicians have christian theocratic views?

You said there was a Christian theocracy. Now, don't deflect the question, I asked you... where is that theocracy?

250 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 1:59:30pm

re: #244 Aceofwhat?

fine. nothing wrong with that statement. But twisted knickers and Tamil Tigers don't belong in the same sentence. It's not even close.

like i said - mind the scale and scope. I'm not worried that you're calling out these "Christians" so much as i'm worried that you're diminishing the incredible need for Islam to transform itself.

Islam is not the only one.

251 Plato  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:00:12pm

OK if you want...

buy some shredded pizza cheese, oregano and terragon, load up a frozen pizza and bake in a hot oven...that should help. re: #196 Uninformed Opinion

252 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:00:17pm

re: #241 Bulldoglover100

Christian Sleeper Cell? Thats what I would call the group that the guy who shot and killed the Doctor in Kansas...

We can condemn that horror in the strongest possible way without diminishing the far greater threat posed by Islamic terrorists by pretending they're similar in scale and scope.

Don't lay the actions of a few crazy people at the foot of widescale 'religious conflict'.

253 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:00:39pm

re: #247 brookly red

a minor detail...

Well, I watch the broad bushed, uninformed hyperbole all down this thread by Uninformed Opinion, and I decided that he/she needs to be informed, since he/she wants to play "chicken little."

254 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:01:02pm

re: #248 zora

i love kimchi. anyone in the dc metro area that doesn't like or feel comfortable in korean restaurants, should try h mart or super h mart. they are very friendly. they have prepared food, semi-prepared, and a huge grocery store of korean delights. the produce and seafood sections are great. the kimchi section has every kind of kimchi imaginable and the prices are reasonable.

Kimchi is good stuff, but it is not meant to be eaten alone, but added to soup or salad and the like, or as a marinade... let a London Broil sit in it overnight.

255 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:01:07pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

You said there was a Christian theocracy. Now, don't deflect the question, I asked you... where is that theocracy?

Texas.

I did however mean it in a conceptual, and not in de facto governance.

256 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:01:28pm

re: #250 Uninformed Opinion

Islam is not the only one.

what else makes for a good comparison?

257 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:01:49pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Where is there a Christian theocracy?

You never know when you might wake up one morning and find out that Byzantium has come back and conquered the country.

258 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:01:49pm

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Well, I watch the broad bushed, uninformed hyperbole all down this thread by Uninformed Opinion, and I decided that he/she needs to be informed, since he/she wants to play "chicken little."

rarely has a nic been so eponymous...

259 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:02:06pm

re: #257 The Sanity Inspector

You never know when you might wake up one morning and find out that Byzantium has come back and conquered the country.

they do have neat garments, though/

260 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:02:38pm

re: #255 Uninformed Opinion

Texas.

I did however mean it in a conceptual, and not in de facto governance.

what is a "conceptual Christian theocracy", exactly?

261 blueraven  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:02:57pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Where is there a Christian theocracy?

In the Texas board of education.

262 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:03:08pm

re: #242 The Sanity Inspector

Was that sunken South Korean patrol boat the work of Nork special forces after all? Joshua Stanton hypothesizes in the updates to this post.

well my first thought was a mine, but warships do have a bunch of stuff on them that can go boom...

263 Bulldoglover100  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:03:12pm

re: #252 Aceofwhat?

I agree but to think that there are not groups out there using christianity as their weapon of choice would be turning a blind eye to the facts.

264 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:03:48pm

re: #261 blueraven

In the Texas board of education.

how can elected officials be that?

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266 zora  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:04:42pm

re: #254 brookly red

kimchi is meant to be eaten with everything. it's a side dish for almost every meal in korean households. some even have a separate kimchi fridge. you can make kimchi with just about any veggie. good for a sour stomach too. learned that from my m.i.l.

267 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:05:00pm

Pre: #260 Aceofwhat?

what is a "conceptual Christian theocracy", exactly?

So, now when politicians express the desire to incorporate christian ideals, values and prayers to be incorporates into american life and governance, that is not theocracy?

268 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:05:23pm

this pile on is brutal.

269 simoom  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:05:45pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

FreeRepublic:

Wow, their conspiracy addled brains are really churning at this news. More Freeper hysteria:

Oh great-- Waco again.

Tie these raid with the Tea Party, declare it a terrorist organization, disenfranchise all supporters, and, bingo, you have eternal power.

So, it begins.

These groups should just call themselves New Black Panther Party...and the Feds will go away
Obama is a racist....he only goes after white people

The obamawar against fedgov hating white man begins.

This kind of think is why I have little confidence the military will come out patriots after all this is done.

Will need to keep a sharp eye on this. Maybe some isolated situation, but if turns out to be only a start then it could very well be the beginning.

Is this a warm up for the new totalitarian government that will control us?

In STUPAK’s Michigan? I am not surprised. This is a move to appease Stupak for selling his soul.

“Wouldn’t it be prudent for Obama to destablize everything before the 2010 elections?”
Yes — confirmed — CHRISTIAN militia groups.

Can’t have Armed White People in the New South Africa can we?

Contrast this raid with the TEA party movement. The Liberals haven’t been able to muzzle us because we don’t have any leaders, and no centeralized location.
If revolution ever comes, it’s going to have to spring spontaniously just as the TEA parties did.
The Government isn’t going to be able to raid 10 million places at once.

He’s a busy little demon-possessed Kenyan isn’t he?

I smell large B.S.. Nobody sells pipe bombs. We are seeing the beginning of Jack Booted thugs once again.
I well remember the "reports" of illegal activities by Branch Davidians - in the Sunday morning papers on the Janet Reno's jack-booted thugs stormed the Davidian compound with guns drawn.
Sounds like a familiar tactic.

posse comitatus cometh

Recall Bill Clinton sent Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba on Holy Saturday.

Clinton also bombed the asprin factory during Saint Stephen’s Feast.

I don’t assume anything bad about Christian militias, any more than I assume anything good from 0. I’m sure there will be a nice long list of lies about them, just like there were about the Branch Davidian Church — slanders out the wazoo.

It just got real

Violence is preached in mosques in major cities throughout the USA and the alphabet agencies go after a Christian militia?

No wonder they were raided. Attending a funeral you say? A Christian funeral at that.

Way to go FBI! Let's not target al-qaeda members living in the United States, no .. can't do that, it wouldn't be politically correct. Rather, let's go after so-called "militia" members and make up a story that they were targeting islamic groups.

Yes, at the Christian funeral, they were probably praying. Muslims hate that.

So now, with the explosive growth of Muslim communities in that state, Michigan now has “legitimate” militias whose members are Muslim. This sounds more and more like a holy war. And Kind Herod is back on his throne.

I love how they can't help stressing that it was a christian militia. //

270 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:05:59pm

re: #29 Cato the Elder

ZOMFG! They're "training" to fight UN Blue Helmets!

ROFLMAO! The UN couldn't capture an abandoned village in Lebanon without the direct aid of God Himself.

Get real, boys.

What pisses me off about those statements is the fact that at the root, it's slandering our soldiers.

The UN DOESN'T have its own standing army. It's a force made up of soldiers from member nations, like the US and her allies. Those troops that can't "capture an abandoned village in Lebanon" sure seem to be doing a heck of a lot better in Afghanistan.

Granted, the rules of engagement for UN troops are really fracking stupid, but that's not the fault of the troops and actually causes a lot of psychological damage to them.

271 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:06:12pm

Last game for the final four..Let's see who blows into town..Duke or Baylor..
This is going to be a wild weekend lizards in Indy

272 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:06:27pm

re: #263 Bulldoglover100

I agree but to think that there are not groups out there using christianity as their weapon of choice would be turning a blind eye to the facts.

of course. but that was not the question. it was the "this has been going on for thousands of years" bit which piqued my curiosity...

273 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:07:10pm

re: #262 brookly red

IIRC, about 10 years ago they found some wreckage in Cuba, did some spooky CSI work on it, and discovered the ship blowing up that started the Spanish-American war was likely an accident too.

I think accidents among twitchy nations cause as many wars as faking stuff like the Poles* "attacking" Germany started WW2.

*and by Poles I mean staged German concentration camp prisoners dressed in Polish uniforms and murdered.

274 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:07:10pm

re: #266 zora

kimchi is meant to be eaten with everything. it's a side dish for almost every meal in korean households. some even have a separate kimchi fridge. you can make kimchi with just about any veggie. good for a sour stomach too. learned that from my m.i.l.

I love the way they do cucumbers... can't spell it but it sound like oww-wee. Love that stuff.

275 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #255 Uninformed Opinion

Texas.

I did however mean it in a conceptual, and not in de facto governance.

Well, guess what, there is nothing even conceptually theocratic about Texas. You are using hyperbole and making broad brushed accusations when there is not a single government in this country that fits the definition of a theocracy, conceptually or otherwise.

Sorry, you just look foolish trying to make this defination... " theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.[3] Theocratic governments enact theonomic laws..." fit any governing body in this country.

276 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:07:33pm

re: #267 Uninformed Opinion

P

So, now when politicians express the desire to incorporate christian ideals, values and prayers to be incorporates into american life and governance, that is not theocracy?

no. it would be if we let them. at the moment, it is an item of concern, not a theocracy.

idon'thinkitmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans

277 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:08:14pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

Last game for the final four..Let's see who blows into town..Duke or Baylor..
This is going to be a wild weekend lizards in Indy

If Baylor wins, I think my boyfriend's head will explode. He's originally from Waco, so the thought of them being so close to the Final Four has been mind-boggling for him.

278 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:08:25pm

re: #273 keloyd

IIRC, about 10 years ago they found some wreckage in Cuba, did some spooky CSI work on it, and discovered the ship blowing up that started the Spanish-American war was likely an accident too.

I think accidents among twitchy nations cause as many wars as faking stuff like the Poles* "attacking" Germany started WW2.

*and by Poles I mean staged German concentration camp prisoners dressed in Polish uniforms and murdered.

sometime dolphins look like torpedoes...

279 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:09:14pm

re: #267 Uninformed Opinion

P

So, now when politicians express the desire to incorporate christian ideals, values and prayers to be incorporates into american life and governance, that is not theocracy?

No... why don't you do a little research.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

280 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:09:26pm

re: #276 Aceofwhat?

no. it would be if we let them. at the moment, it is an item of concern, not a theocracy.

idon'thinkitmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans

then what term do you use for actively pushing their ideals on others? because in other countries, that seems to be the term used.

281 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:10:38pm

re: #280 Uninformed Opinion

then what term do you use for actively pushing their ideals on others? because in other countries, that seems to be the term used.

How about giving us a link to what you are claiming, come proof to what you are saying...

282 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:10:46pm

re: #280 Uninformed Opinion

then what term do you use for actively pushing their ideals on others? because in other countries, that seems to be the term used.

i would say that plenty of Congress is actively pushing their ideals on me.

if you're looking for a definition of "theocracy", Walter has already provided it for you.

283 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:10:50pm

re: #277 Lidane

If Baylor wins, I think my boyfriend's head will explode. He's originally from Waco, so the thought of them being so close to the Final Four has been mind-boggling for him.

Baylor wins his people win be in Indy this weekend for the final four..
There is a shit load of free concerts this weekend.. Thank you NCAA you guys rock!

284 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:11:01pm

re: #280 Uninformed Opinion

then what term do you use for actively pushing their ideals on others? because in other countries, that seems to be the term used.

Opinion.

285 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:11:37pm

semantic argument.

286 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:12:15pm

Making kimchi. Notice their gloves, to keep from scalding their hands with the hot pepper paste.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:12:43pm

re: #268 Uninformed Opinion

this pile on is brutal.

Sorry. I wasn't paying attention. What?

288 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:12:44pm

re: #283 HoosierHoops

If Baylor wins his people win will be in Indy this weekend for the final four..
There is a shit load of free concerts this weekend.. Thank you NCAA you guys rock!

PIMF

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:13:23pm

re: #181 swamprat

Because Christ taught us to love thy neighbor and overthrow the government.

Wait. What?

"Render unto Caesar that which is ?"

"Uh... No separation of church and state"

"Wrong, mouth-breather. The quote is "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. So the quote supports the separation of church and state!"

"Yeah? Like who said that, man? Karl Marx?

"Jesus Christ!"

"Hey! Don't get testy! You could have the decency to answer me instead of cussin' me out."

"Does your mother know you are this stupid?"

Back in the day...all of us out in front of the Soviet Consulate on Green Street with with our picket signs. Whole bunch of rabbis chaining themselves to the gates...

One of the local activists is talking to an agitated looking man. She looks over at my father and says in a loud, carrying voice, "Can you tell me that again? Why do you want to kill the rabbis?!"

My dad goes rushing over. Guy is now getting hysterical....blah, blah, hysterical blah..."What did Jesus say to the tax collector?"

My father gets a grip on the guy's shoulders and says, in a sloooow, calm tone, "Our Lord, Jesus Christ, said to the tax collector, 'Render unto Caesar, those thing that are Caesar's...but render unto God those things that belong to God..."

At which point, one of San Francisco's finest marched up and said, "Yeah. I'm representing Caesar today. You're under arrest."

290 simoom  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:15:51pm

Glenn Reynolds aka Instapundit:

THE TIMING APPEARS CONVENIENT: FBI stages domestic raids.
...
Lawprof Tom Smith senses a media spin campaign: “Just wait for the MSM to associate them with ‘tea baggers’ and anybody not wild about health care. It could be something else but it looks like a plausible rumor at this stage. I am not hopeful that any distinctions will be made by our opinion leaders between those who think the Illuminati and the Joooz are running the world and those who think we should not create a debt that is half the size of our GDP. I hope the FBI understands the difference.”
291 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:16:16pm

re: #285 Uninformed Opinion

semantic argument.

(Ok, gloves coming off)

No... FACTS.. jerkoid. You think just because you have decided to create your own self defined understanding of the concept of a theocracy, that suddenly the whole historical understanding and use of the concept is a difference in semantics?

Sorry, why don't you try to do a little research into the use of the term, it's meaning, both historically and in contemporary times and get back to us.

And while you are at it, look into the form of government in Iran. Clue... "The Islamic Republic of Iran."

292 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:17:00pm

re: #268 Uninformed Opinion

this pile on is brutal.

It's entirely accurate and acceptable to deplore the militia movement, as being out of joint with the ideals of good citizenship. There's no need to over-indict them to a ridiculous extent, akin to PETA wailing about "the holocaust in the broiler chicken industry".

293 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:17:26pm

re: #237 keloyd

1. Kimchi is scary. I can't name 5 white people who like it, though I like it.
2. We're jealous we didn't come up with the idea of putting a fried egg on top of any random thing.
3. Koreans don't seem to make the effort, as a whole. Many Chinese restaurants actively cater to the locals. I had Indian friends in grad school tell me how Indo-Chinese restaurants were nothing like the big Chinese buffets here in the US. Korean restaurants appear to only be in Korean areas and market to ethnic Koreans, though they don't mind the occasional long nosed devil coming in and spending money and squinting to read the tiny English print under the Korean on the menus.

I like kimchi. Nobody ever mistakes me for ought than anglo.

294 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:17:52pm

re: #285 Uninformed Opinion

semantic argument.

really? we're saying nearly the same thing but with different words?

nope.

so now we have to talk about the definition of theocracy and semantics??

295 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:18:42pm

re: #292 The Sanity Inspector

It's entirely accurate and acceptable to deplore the militia movement, as being out of joint with the ideals of good citizenship. There's no need to over-indict them to a ridiculous extent, akin to PETA wailing about "the holocaust in the broiler chicken industry".

bingo

296 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:19:02pm

I'm for Baylor. I may be a theocrat...

297 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:19:30pm

re: #293 swamprat


Aught

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:19:56pm

re: #293 swamprat

I like kimchi. Nobody ever mistakes me for ought than anglo.

Many Anglos raised in Hawaii like kimchi. My college roommate was one of them.

My husband was raised in Hawaii, though, and he does NOT like it.

299 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:19:58pm

re: #293 swamprat

I like kimchi. Nobody ever mistakes me for ought than anglo.

that settles it I am getting Korean for diner... Nak Ji Bokem, yeah dat's the ticket.

300 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:21:00pm

re: #296 The Shadow Do

I'm for Baylor. I may be a theocrat...

i'm calling the ACLU...

301 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:21:20pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

Back in the day...all of us out in front of the Soviet Consulate on Green Street with with our picket signs. Whole bunch of rabbis chaining themselves to the gates...

One of the local activists is talking to an agitated looking man. She looks over at my father and says in a loud, carrying voice, "Can you tell me that again? Why do you want to kill the rabbis?!"

My dad goes rushing over. Guy is now getting hysterical...blah, blah, hysterical blah..."What did Jesus say to the tax collector?"

My father gets a grip on the guy's shoulders and says, in a slooow, calm tone, "Our Lord, Jesus Christ, said to the tax collector, 'Render unto Caesar, those thing that are Caesar's...but render unto God those things that belong to God..."

At which point, one of San Francisco's finest marched up and said, "Yeah. I'm representing Caesar today. You're under arrest."

I once read about an anti-nuclear war protest in Colorado, back in the 80s. The activists sang songs, poured cow's blood over themselves, chained their wrists to the courthouse fence, and calmly awaited their impending martyrdom. The local police declined to take the bait, and after a few hours the protesters unlocked themselves and left.

302 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:21:31pm

re: #296 The Shadow Do

I'm for Baylor. I may be a theocrat...

Well, let's do a check:

1. Do you want your chief religious figure and governmental figure to be the same person?

2. Do you want to use a holy book to write the laws, and not just in an vaguely-influencing-the-thought-of-the-writers kind of way.

3. Do you define "sin" and "crime" the same?

4. Do you want to outlaw different religious beliefs?

5. Do you think heresy is a crime?

6. Do you think that pizza can only come out of one city. Wait, skip this one...

303 blueraven  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:23:40pm
Kids in Texas public schools will no longer be taught about one of the greatest political philosophers in American history, Thomas Jefferson. That’s right. They removed Thomas Jefferson from the curriculum — replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin. There’s no mystery about why they did this, either; among the founding fathers, Jefferson was one of the strongest advocates for the separation of church and state, and that’s exactly what these cretins are trying to reverse.

Maybe not theocracy in it's purest form but this has definite leanings.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

304 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:23:47pm

re: #302 EmmmieG

Well, let's do a check:

1. Do you want your chief religious figure and governmental figure to be the same person?

2. Do you want to use a holy book to write the laws, and not just in an vaguely-influencing-the-thought-of-the-writers kind of way.

3. Do you define "sin" and "crime" the same?

4. Do you want to outlaw different religious beliefs?

5. Do you think heresy is a crime?

6. Do you think that pizza can only come out of one city. Wait, skip this one...

I heard that.

305 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:23:49pm

re: #296 The Shadow Do

I'm for Baylor. I may be a theocrat...

Someone's getting a new president this year. We had a big ol ruckus in the news about Ken Starr coming down to be president of Baylor. Even the nondrinking nondancing non-short-skirt wearing student body was a bit put off by that decision.

306 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:25:41pm

re: #303 blueraven

Maybe not theocracy in it's purest form but this has definite leanings.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That's not a theocracy in any form.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:26:33pm

re: #303 blueraven

Maybe not theocracy in it's purest form but this has definite leanings.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

There is a sharp distinction between 'theocracy' and 'people who might not mind a theocracy doing dumbass stuff in the name of religion'.

Please God, we will maintain this distinction.

308 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:27:28pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

(Ok, gloves coming off)

No... FACTS.. jerkoid. You think just because you have decided to create your own self defined understanding of the concept of a theocracy, that suddenly the whole historical understanding and use of the concept is a difference in semantics?

Sorry, why don't you try to do a little research into the use of the term, it's meaning, both historically and in contemporary times and get back to us.

And while you are at it, look into the form of government in Iran. Clue... "The Islamic Republic of Iran."

No, i used the wrong term. I believe the common use of theocracy is not what the definition of theocracy is.

so far behind on this one.

309 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:28:43pm

re: #303 blueraven

Maybe not theocracy in it's purest form but this has definite leanings.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Nah. That's just a bunch of self-important douchebags trying to impose their narrow views on the rest of us by purging textbooks of things and people they don't agree with, like Thomas Jefferson.

We still have a democratically governor (even though he's a massive tool) and the same system of government as the rest of the country.

310 windsagio  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:28:53pm

re: #308 Uninformed Opinion

On a sidenote, I hate it when people reply to something without a reference... Means you can't follow the thread of discussion.

/random quibble mode off.

311 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:29:09pm

My parents lived in Hawaii for ~3 years, and they had had very sheltered, Southern, Leave-it-to-Beaver lives before that. (I was born in Mombassa Hawaii and was there the last half year.)The kimchi that was sitting loose in bowls at bars where we would have pretzels was too scary by half for either of them. To this day they will not eat a piece of cheese that was in my fridge next to a big jar of kimchi.

It's a little off color, but my dad still occasionally says "your're in deep kimchi" meaning you're in deep trouble/sh!t. It's the most off putting thing to be deep in, if you don't like it, and have never been around Scandinavian food.

312 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:29:32pm

re: #310 windsagio

On a sidenote, I hate it when people reply to something without a reference... Means you can't follow the thread of discussion.

/random quibble mode off.

i don't believe for one second that your random quibble mode is off/

313 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:30:57pm

re: #286 The Sanity Inspector

Making kimchi. Notice their gloves, to keep from scalding their hands with the hot pepper paste.

Speaking from bitter experience, the hot peppers won't bother your hands at all, even with prolonged exposure. The problem with not wearing gloves arises when, after working with peppers, you wipe your eyes, pick your nose or or go to the bathroom and transfer the oils to other, more sensitive parts of your anatomy.

314 windsagio  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:31:46pm

re: #312 Aceofwhat?

you're confusing

{quibble}

with

{randomquibble}

They're different states.

315 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:35:34pm

I could butcher the wiki quote to make it work.

The term i was looking for seems to be Dominionism

316 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:37:29pm

I dont see the huge difference i got thrashed for.

317 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:42:24pm

re: #316 Uninformed Opinion

I dont see the huge difference i got thrashed for.

Let's try it this way:

----cracy means a form of government. It doesn't mean anything about the actual people in the offices. If we elected aliens, it would still be a representative republic, not an alienaocracy. Electing squid would not make it a fishocracy.

A theocracy is about the form of government.

318 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #315 Uninformed Opinion

I could butcher the wiki quote to make it work.

The term i was looking for seems to be Dominionism

re: #316 Uninformed Opinion

I dont see the huge difference i got thrashed for.

The difference is that Dominionists, with the exception of the Christian Reconstruction whackjobs, still want to operate within the basic confines that we have set up in this country with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

In a theocracy, religious laws are codified into the national constitution, such as when an Islamic country adopts Sharia law. For any part of the U.S. to resemble a theocracy, all of the restrictions in the Bible would have to be made law. Gays would have to be killed, mixed fibers would be outlawed, etc.

319 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:43:48pm

re: #318 Lidane

The difference is that Dominionists, with the exception of the Christian Reconstruction whackjobs, still want to operate within the basic confines that we have set up in this country with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

the guys who got arrested.

320 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:49:25pm

so fulfilling the first paragraph of the definition of dominionism with legislation is not promoting theocracy?

321 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:51:27pm

re: #320 Uninformed Opinion

so fulfilling the first paragraph of the definition of dominionism with legislation is not promoting theocracy?

the difference between some nuts who may wish a theocracy and the real thing is vast.

322 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:52:30pm

re: #320 Uninformed Opinion

so fulfilling the first paragraph of the definition of dominionism with legislation is not promoting theocracy?

It would have to be a hell of a lot more than just legislation. We'd have to completely re-write the Constitution to reflect religious law, and the entire structure of government would have to change from a secular one to a religious one.

Basically, we'd have to give up the country we have and willingly become Iran or Afghanistan for the U.S. to ever become a theocracy.

323 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:54:33pm

If the Presbyterian General Assembly or Papist Roman Catholic College of Cardinals makes the laws as if they're the government - that's theocracy.

If angry, frustrated Muslims vote in Hamas, that's sort of dominionist but also democratic. The institutions are secular, though the votes of the populace need not be.

324 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:55:25pm

re: #321 Aceofwhat?

the difference between some nuts who may wish a theocracy and the real thing is vast.

Its all circular and muddy in my opinion.

325 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 2:57:10pm

re: #324 Uninformed Opinion

Its all circular and muddy in my opinion.

Lidane, in #322, illustrates quite well why your opinion is relatively lonely.

326 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:07:39pm

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

Lidane, in #322, illustrates quite well why your opinion is relatively lonely.

The overall point of my original post that started this was that with our knowledge of Christianity and our knowledge of anti terrorism/insurgent/radicalization techniques we should be able to combat too much of this, admittedly after snide comments. Instead, we argue about the definition of theocracy, which i had wrong.

327 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:08:20pm

re: #322 Lidane

It would have to be a hell of a lot more than just legislation. We'd have to completely re-write the Constitution to reflect religious law, and the entire structure of government would have to change from a secular one to a religious one.

Basically, we'd have to give up the country we have and willingly become Iran or Afghanistan for the U.S. to ever become a theocracy.

But it would be a Christian theocracy, Lidane, and that's different.

Wait, what?

328 Sloppy  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:10:03pm

This stuff goes back a long way. Some 50 years ago, at the end of an Army Reserve weekly drill, some guy gathered the troops together and delivered a "militia" recruiting speech. No takers. He went away and we never saw him again.

329 Uninformed Opinion  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:21:49pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

But it would be a Christian theocracy, Lidane, and that's different.

Wait, what?

now that is what i am talking about...

330 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:15:32pm

re: #270 ~Fianna

What pisses me off about those statements is the fact that at the root, it's slandering our soldiers.

The UN DOESN'T have its own standing army. It's a force made up of soldiers from member nations, like the US and her allies. Those troops that can't "capture an abandoned village in Lebanon" sure seem to be doing a heck of a lot better in Afghanistan.

Granted, the rules of engagement for UN troops are really fracking stupid, but that's not the fault of the troops and actually causes a lot of psychological damage to them.

The UN has no troops in Afghanistan. That would be NATO you're thinking of.

331 wiffersnapper  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:49:22pm

I wouldn't label that as metal music. It's godawful '80s perhaps.

332 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:09:15pm

re: #331 wiffersnapper

I wouldn't label that as metal music. It's godawful '80s perhaps.

It's mid-80's goth. That's the song "Marian" by The Sisters of Mercy:

In a sea of faces, in a sea of doubt
In this cruel place, your voice above the maelstrom
In the wake of this ship of fools, I'm falling further down
If you can see me Marian, reach out and take me home

I hear you calling Marian
Across the water, across the wave
I hear you calling Marian
Can you hear me calling you to?
Save me, save me, save me from the grave
Marian

Marian, there's a weight above me
And the pressure is all too strong
To breathe deep breathe long and hard
To take the water down and go to sleep
To sink still further, beneath the fatal wave
Marian I think, I'm drowning, this sea is killing me

I hear you calling Marian
Across the water, across the wave
I hear you calling Marian
Can you hear me calling you to?
Save me, save me, save me from the grave

Was ich kann und was ich konnte?
Weiss ich gar nicht mehr
Gib mir wieder etwas sch'nes
Zieh mich aus dem meer
Ich h're dich rufen, Marian
Kannst du mich schreien h'ren
Ich bin hier allein
Ich h're dich rufen, Marian
Ohne deine hilfe verliere ich mich in diessem ort

I hear you calling Marian
Across the water, across the wave
I hear you calling Marian
Can you hear me calling you to?
Save me, save me, save me from the grave

Marian
Marian
Marian

333 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:18:24pm

re: #332 Lidane

Thank you for that. I didn't want to ping their site, and thought it might me Leonard Cohen:

[Link: www.google.com...]

334 stayfrosty  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:22:50pm
The home page includes a training video with a godawful metal music soundtrack

I lol'd.

335 Lidane  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:38:08pm

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Thank you for that. I didn't want to ping their site, and thought it might be Leonard Cohen:

[Link: www.google.com...]

The band is named after that Leonard Cohen song and count him as an influence, but the music that these militia guys used definitely wasn't LC.

It's also a cheesy, melodramatic song, as a lot of Goth tends to be. Reading those lyrics makes me laugh. I'd wager most of the guys in that photo weren't even born when the song came out in 1985, or they were in diapers at the time. Why they'd choose it is beyond me.

336 birdwoman  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:20:15am

Say what you will, that dog on the right looks cool with his ammo belt and whatever else they've dolled... errrr.... gi joe'd him up with.

I wonder if they sell those outfits? My border collie would look AWESOME all hype like that.

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