Slideshow: Tea Party in the Desert

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For the first public test of our new embedded slideshow feature, these are photographs found at various sites around the web by LGF reader “simoom,” taken at the recent tea party rally in the desert outside Searchlight, Nevada, at which ex-governor Sarah Palin appeared.

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459 comments
1 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:34:54pm

Great new feature Charles! Thanks for keeping this place so tweaked!!!

2 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:36:09pm

That upside-down flag in pic 6 struck me as unpatriotic.

3 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:36:33pm

Out in the middle of a desert and not a graboid in sight, damn.

4 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:36:39pm

I almost made it there but had other things that had to get done that Saturday. I really wanted to get there and film though.

5 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:36:45pm

Worked like a charm for me. The subjects of the slideshow? Not so charming…

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:37:16pm

re: #2 JasonA

That upside-down flag in pic 6 struck me as unpatriotic.

The Glenn Beck for President sign struck me as idiotic.

7 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:37:58pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Glenn Beck for President sign struck me as idiotic.

just that one?

/

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:38:03pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Glenn Beck for President sign struck me as idiotic.

The bumper stickers struck me as really ugly. Eye-blisteringly ugly.

(And stupid.)

9 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:39:42pm

man, people are getting pissy..a whole new thing to identify with…regardless of the underlying theme….don’t like it

10 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:41:53pm

Technical feedback:
Can you get the buttons to stay still, and not reposition themselves as the pictures resize?

Very slick, otherwise.

11 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:41:54pm

re: #2 JasonA

That upside-down flag in pic 6 struck me as unpatriotic.

Yeah, the upside down flag is pretty shocking.

Rabbit hole time.

12 dugmartsch  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:42:47pm

I still do not understand, and haven’t seen a good explanation of, the use of Joker imagery in relation to Obama. Anyone have a link or something?

I know it makes him look kinda scary and is like a reverse blackface which i’m sure the tea partiers are kinda drawn towards, but the ubiquity of this nonsensical graphic in the tea party crowds is baffling.

13 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:43:26pm

The pop up view and the “light’s out” feature is really cool Charles, thanks for the great work on coding that.

14 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:43:39pm

I am am imagining them running into the Burning Man festival out there in Nevada. Now there we would have the high desert culture clash!

15 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:44:11pm

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

I am am imagining them running into the Burning Man festival out there in Nevada. Now there we would have the high desert culture clash!

I’d pay money to see that.

16 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:44:53pm

re: #12 dugmartsch

IIRC this tracks mostly back to Alex Jones — he “came across it” and spread it, it was created by someone who really didn’t care one way or the other if I’m remembering right.

17 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:44:55pm

re: #12 dugmartsch

I still do not understand, and haven’t seen a good explanation of, the use of Joker imagery in relation to Obama. Anyone have a link or something?

I know it makes him look kinda scary and is like a reverse blackface which i’m sure the tea partiers are kinda drawn towards, but the ubiquity of this nonsensical graphic in the tea party crowds is baffling.

The reference is to The Joker in The Dark Knight (played by the late Heath Ledger). The though is that Obama is an agent of chaos who wants to watch America burn. It’s insane IMO.

18 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:45:12pm

BTW Charles I love the slide show feature. I think I’ll like it better with less ugly images however.

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:45:12pm

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

I am am imagining them running into the Burning Man festival out there in Nevada. Now there we would have the high desert culture clash!

I’d rather hang with the Burning Man dudes.

20 Dadaist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:45:42pm

It’s like Deliverance with badly designed placards.

21 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:45:44pm

more quoting Jefferson, less encouraging Beck.

22 teleskiguy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:46:41pm

I’m on a PC using Safari and the slideshow works great.

On the content of the slideshow, well, good grief. Obama is not Stalin people, I think the Republic will be around long after Obama leaves office.

23 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:46:52pm

re: #15 JasonA

Me too.

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:47:01pm

re: #21 brookly red

more quoting Jefferson, less encouraging Beck.

Quite concur.

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:47:14pm

re: #12 dugmartsch

I still do not understand, and haven’t seen a good explanation of, the use of Joker imagery in relation to Obama. Anyone have a link or something?

I know it makes him look kinda scary and is like a reverse blackface which i’m sure the tea partiers are kinda drawn towards, but the ubiquity of this nonsensical graphic in the tea party crowds is baffling.

It started out as a sign promoted by 9-11 truther Alex Jones. He gave away prizes for people to post youtube videos of hanging the posters around their town. The ballsiest video won a prize.

26 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:47:53pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Certainly a better party. Leave your inhibitions at the gate.

27 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

Certainly a better party. Leave your inhibitions at the gate.

And don’t forget to pick up your trash on the way out!

28 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:48:46pm

I’d love to be in the Revolt War Room, wherever that is…
“we’ll move on Memphis once NOLA is wrapped up, thus securing the entire lower Mississippi, then overland to KC….”

29 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:48:59pm

re: #21 brookly red

more quoting Jefferson, less encouraging Beck.

I’m willing to bet when it comes right down to it, the average attendee knows more about George Jefferson than Thomas Jefferson.

30 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:49:37pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m willing to bet when it comes right down to it, the average attendee knows more about George Jefferson than Thomas Jefferson.

well who’s fault is that?

31 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:49:40pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m willing to bet when it comes right down to it, the average attendee knows more about George Jefferson than Thomas Jefferson.

Are we sure that they’re not confusing the two?

32 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:49:41pm

One of the “Joker” signs also had the “National Socialist Healthcare” line, which proceeded to call Obamacare “The Final Solution”. The insanity and utter moral bankruptcy of such sign is what drove me away from the Tea Party crowd last summer and they’re still getting worse.

33 Dadaist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:49:45pm

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

I am am imagining them running into the Burning Man festival out there in Nevada. Now there we would have the high desert culture clash!

As long as the Tea Partiers don’t start running around naked like the Burning Man hippies. I’d have to wash my brain in bleach to get rid of the images.

34 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:49:58pm

re: #27 JasonA

And don’t forget to pick up your trash on the way out!

and don’t burn down the Burning Man the night before the Burning!

35 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:50:14pm

re: #31 JasonA

Are we sure that they’re not confusing the two?

no they are not.

36 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:50:21pm

re: #28 albusteve

I assume that you are joking.

37 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:50:52pm

Last week it seemed that some on the board thought the threats against Rep Eric Cantor were not legit. The fact that someone said a bullet “fell into his office” seemed to be “proof” that Cantor was not threatened.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I wonder if those folks “pooh pooed” the threat too soon?

38 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:51:50pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

I assume that you are joking.

you think they should bypass NO and go straight at Memphis?

39 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:52:23pm

re: #38 albusteve

you think they should bypass NO and go straight at Memphis?

Richmond!

40 recusancy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:52:39pm

re: #37 _RememberTonyC

Last week it seemed that some on the board thought the threats against Rep Eric Cantor were not legit. The fact that someone said a bullet “fell into his office” seemed to be “proof” that Cantor was not threatened.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I wonder if those folks “pooh pooed” the threat too soon?

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

41 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:54:07pm

re: #37 _RememberTonyC

Last week it seemed that some on the board thought the threats against Rep Eric Cantor were not legit. The fact that someone said a bullet “fell into his office” seemed to be “proof” that Cantor was not threatened.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I wonder if those folks “pooh pooed” the threat too soon?

the ‘threat subterfuge’ will become common practice soon…you can do a bit of damage over the internet and telephones

42 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:54:30pm

re: #21 brookly red

more quoting Jefferson, less encouraging Beck.

I wonder if any Texans attended…and if so, did they ask who Jefferson was/

43 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:55:03pm

re: #39 brookly red

Richmond!

Very nice Civil War reference.

44 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:55:19pm

re: #39 brookly red

Richmond!

“we’ll get it RIGHT this time!”

45 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:55:32pm

re: #37 _RememberTonyC

Last week it seemed that some on the board thought the threats against Rep Eric Cantor were not legit. The fact that someone said a bullet “fell into his office” seemed to be “proof” that Cantor was not threatened.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I wonder if those folks “pooh pooed” the threat too soon?

Simply said, we are talking about two distinctly separate threats. The magic bullet was proven wrong. The threat against his life ended up with guy being arrested.

46 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:56:02pm

re: #42 Aceofwhat?

I wonder if any Texans attended…and if so, did they ask who Jefferson was/

Why Jefferson Davis naturally!

47 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:56:15pm

re: #40 recusancy

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

yes … your link flushed out the material from my Politico link …. very bad stuff.

48 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:56:29pm

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why Jefferson Davis naturally!

heh…good one

49 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:57:24pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

Simply said, we are talking about two distinctly separate threats. The magic bullet was proven wrong. The threat against his life ended up with guy being arrested.

didn’t the guy who was arrested imply that the bullet in the office was from him? And are you suggesting this was the ONLY threat Cantor has faced?

50 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:58:59pm

In photo number nine there is a US Flag touching the ground.

51 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:16pm

re: #41 albusteve

the ‘threat subterfuge’ will become common practice soon…you can do a bit of damage over the internet and telephones

we need to take ALL threats seriously. but it seems like a prominent Jewish Republican coukld face threats from those on both extremes as many on the far right probably hate him for his religion while those on the far left may hate him for his positions *plus* his religion.

52 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:22pm

Great new feature, Charles. Thanks!

53 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:22pm

Wow..Nice new feature.. You haz mad programming skilz..
Look forward to reading about some of the details…What language..Stuff like that..

54 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:32pm

Here’s another shot of the upside down (torn) flag

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

55 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:49pm

Kudos Charles, awesome feature.
Another reason I enjoy my time here. You run the best blog with spot-on addons. Grats.

Perhaps a nice slide show showcasing our photographs though in the future?

56 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:50pm

re: #50 Ojoe

In photo number nine there is a US Flag touching the ground.

/well at least no professor is standing on it…

57 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:56pm

re: #50 Ojoe

I hate that.

58 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:59:56pm

Get a load of this. Some douche nozzle put up a fake spinoff link to criticize Charles and LGF.

59 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:01:00pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Here’s another shot of the upside down (torn) flag

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

If I didn’t know better I would think it was one of those anti-war rallies you could find Martin Sheen attending.

60 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:01:01pm

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

didn’t the guy who was arrested imply that the bullet in the office was from him? And are you suggesting this was the ONLY threat Cantor has faced?

I didn’t hear that the guy arrested claimed the bullet was from him.

Of course I’m not making any claims about threats to Cantor - only that I read the police determined the bullet in the office was random.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:01:03pm

re: #37 _RememberTonyC

Last week it seemed that some on the board thought the threats against Rep Eric Cantor were not legit. The fact that someone said a bullet “fell into his office” seemed to be “proof” that Cantor was not threatened.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I wonder if those folks “pooh pooed” the threat too soon?

I have no reason to think the bullet thing wasn’t stupid. This latest threat seems real and I’m glad they have the guy.

62 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:01:48pm

re: #57 prairiefire

Man it represents all the people who died for this country you cannot just let it touch the ground.

63 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:01:51pm

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

A) No, not that I’ve heard of. Can you point to anything that says that he fired that bullet?

B) Nobody is suggesting this is the only threat he’s faced. I assume, being Jewish, he gets at least few threats yearly, anyway.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:01:54pm

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

didn’t the guy who was arrested imply that the bullet in the office was from him? And are you suggesting this was the ONLY threat Cantor has faced?

The guy who was arrested is, apparently, nuts, and if he says the bullet was ‘from him’, the police report indicates he is lying.

65 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:02:19pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Get a load of this. Some douche nozzle put up a fake spinoff link to criticize Charles and LGF.

OK, disregard that. It was deleted.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:02:29pm

re: #50 Ojoe

In photo number nine there is a US Flag touching the ground.

It’s only outrageous if Obama did it!!!

67 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:02:48pm

re: #55 Ericus58

Dipstick that I am…*your

I would be so lucky to have the opportunity to shoot nature shots.

68 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:03:03pm

re: #62 Ojoe

Man it represents all the people who died for this country you cannot just let it touch the ground.

And to fly a torn flag upside down is seriously disrespectful as well.

69 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:03:30pm

re: #51 _RememberTonyC

we need to take ALL threats seriously. but it seems like a prominent Jewish Republican coukld face threats from those on both extremes as many on the far right probably hate him for his religion while those on the far left may hate him for his positions *plus* his religion.

good observation…keep an eye out on other Jewish congressmen…now I wonder if that might become an easy way to express anti-Semitism at an easy high profile target…good lord

70 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:04:51pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

I cannot think these people really love their country; instead they have anger issues.

71 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s only outrageous if Obama did it!!!

does he wear a Flag Pin yet?

72 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

The sign is talking about chemtrails.

Whacko.

73 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:05:03pm

Don’t question their patriotism!

//

74 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:05:54pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

The guy who was arrested is, apparently, nuts, and if he says the bullet was ‘from him’, the police report indicates he is lying.

From the Politico piece:
In a video posted on YouTube, Leboon said Cantor was a “liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig.” He also seemed to refer to a bullet found in Cantor’s office last week and said it will be placed in his head. Richmond Police had originally discounted the bullet as a stray. It is unclear whether the FBI will expand the investigation into the Richmond bullet.

75 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:06:10pm

About the upside down flag. It is used as a signal of distress only. That is likely the point that protester was trying to make.

From USFlag.org

The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:

* The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
* The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
* The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
* The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
* The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
* The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.

The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.

When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.

76 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:06:11pm

re: #73 Alouette

Don’t question their patriotism!

//

We’re not!

We’re just trying to figure which country they love!

77 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:09pm

re: #76 JasonA

We’re not!

We’re just trying to figure which country they love!

And which planet they are from.

78 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:15pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

And to fly a torn flag upside down is seriously disrespectful as well.

Those rednecks don’t know better…There are some in Indiana.. I’ve seen jacked up 4 wheel drives driving down the highway with 2 giant Rebel flags in the back.. Yeee fucking haaa! Indiana!

79 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:19pm

re: #70 Ojoe

I cannot think these people really love their country; instead they have anger issues.

Agreed. Their “patriotism” is just a mask. In reality, they’re just rage-o-holics and if they didn’t suffer from ODS they’d find someone or something else to fixate on.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:19pm

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

But he’s a crazy dude. As I said before, if it really was him, then it’ll be the most feeble assassination attempt in history. But to have hit that window at the arc they were talking about would be a one in a million shot.

You generally can’t take crazy people’s word for things. I’d wait for police ballistics before you made any definite claims about him having fired the bullet.

81 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:38pm

re: #70 Ojoe

I cannot think these people really love their country; instead they have anger issues.

I just can not understand how many people think that this is a joke or that it will go away…

82 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:38pm

Ron Paul!

Michigan Hutaree militia leader was a Ron Paul supporter

83 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:07:57pm

re: #70 Ojoe

I cannot think these people really love their country; instead they have anger issues.

I think they love their country…but they certainly have issues, disconnect from reality for one….you cannot toss the feds, you cannot thrown down the govt, but you can get your ass shot off in the attempt I guess…look for martyrdom to become the next pink

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:08:18pm

re: #71 albusteve

does he wear a Flag Pin yet?

I think he should have had a flag tattooed over his heart. That way, when the press asked, he could rip open his shirt, Superman style.

85 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:08:20pm

re: #75 CyanSnowHawk

I have seen cell phone antennas disguised as flag poles, with Old Glory flying from them & I thought it was way too commercial.

86 recusancy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:08:39pm

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

From the Politico piece:
In a video posted on YouTube, Leboon said Cantor was a “liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig.” He also seemed to refer to a bullet found in Cantor’s office last week and said it will be placed in his head. Richmond Police had originally discounted the bullet as a stray. It is unclear whether the FBI will expand the investigation into the Richmond bullet.

He also says the the Apocalypse happened last year. So yeah.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:08:52pm

re: #72 Obdicut

The sign is talking about chemtrails.

Whacko.

The chemtrail people also showed up at the LA anti-war rally Ringo photographed. They seem very busy.

88 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:08:56pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

I have seen more and more “don’t call me an American, I’m a (Texan/Alaskan)” shirts.

89 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:08:58pm

I am signing off now, to celebrate the Festival of Freedom.

90 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:09:05pm

re: #80 Obdicut

But he’s a crazy dude. As I said before, if it really was him, then it’ll be the most feeble assassination attempt in history. But to have hit that window at the arc they were talking about would be a one in a million shot.

You generally can’t take crazy people’s word for things. I’d wait for police ballistics before you made any definite claims about him having fired the bullet.

I did not make a “definite claim” about anyone firing the bullet. I asked whether those who totally discounted it were “pooh pooing” it too soon.

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:09:07pm

re: #78 HoosierHoops

Those rednecks don’t know better…There are some in Indiana.. I’ve seen jacked up 4 wheel drives driving down the highway with 2 giant Rebel flags in the back.. Yeee fucking haaa! Indiana!

It’s not hard to figure out, Hoops. I think the person doing it knew what he was doing.

92 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:09:17pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Their “patriotism” is just a mask. In reality, they’re just rage-o-holics and if they didn’t suffer from ODS they’d find someone or something else to fixate on.

I doubt it

93 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:09:39pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul!

Michigan Hutaree militia leader was a Ron Paul supporter


[Video]

Color me surprised.

94 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:09:42pm

RE: the bullet and the threatening crazy ass guy:

Any connection between Leboon and the randomly fired bullet found in Cantor’s campaign office in Virginia last week? The feds are making no such connection. Assuming Richmond police are right that the bullet was random, could Leboon have made his video after that incident in Virginia became public? That appears unlikely: Leboon told authorities on Saturday that he made the Cantor video “approximately three days” before. Cantor’s press conference announcing the bullet in his office was on Thursday.

Plus the crazy guy is from Philly

95 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:10:02pm

re: #88 Obdicut

I have seen more and more “don’t call me an American, I’m a (Texan/Alaskan)” shirts.

Those people can go boil their heads.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:10:03pm

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

From the Politico piece:
In a video posted on YouTube, Leboon said Cantor was a “liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig.” He also seemed to refer to a bullet found in Cantor’s office last week and said it will be placed in his head. Richmond Police had originally discounted the bullet as a stray. It is unclear whether the FBI will expand the investigation into the Richmond bullet.

Unless he has any proof of firing—does he know the caliber of the bullet? Can he explain how he pulled off that amazing shot? I call crazy dude.

97 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:10:17pm

re: #89 Alouette

I am signing off now, to celebrate the Festival of Freedom.

Good holiday… we still have an hour before we start here in Colorado.

98 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:10:36pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he should have had a flag tattooed over his heart. That way, when the press asked, he could rip open his shirt, Superman style.

hooray for the best idea!…top that you Pin Heads!

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:11:08pm

re: #76 JasonA

We’re not!

We’re just trying to figure which country they love!

Geneva 1565, combined with the Old West, I think.

100 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:11:16pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Unless he has any proof of firing—does he know the caliber of the bullet? Can he explain how he pulled off that amazing shot? I call crazy dude.

stay tuned … stranger things have happened …

101 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:11:25pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

The chemtrail people also showed up at the LA anti-war rally Ringo photographed. They seem very busy.

Teh water from teh garden hose makes rainbows!111!!

/

102 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:11:38pm

re: #85 Ojoe

I have seen cell phone antennas disguised as flag poles, with Old Glory flying from them & I thought it was way too commercial.

I tend to think of that as good use of available resources. Do you have a problem with the often oversized flags flown by car dealerships?

103 recusancy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:12:04pm

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

stay tuned … stranger things have happened …

Wow you really want this to have happened huh?

104 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:12:05pm

re: #80 Obdicut

You generally can’t take crazy people’s word for things.

/do you have empirical evidence to back that up?

105 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:12:08pm

the Magic Bullet is the best nontroversy of the month…imo

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:12:32pm

re: #88 Obdicut

I have seen more and more “don’t call me an American, I’m a (Texan/Alaskan)” shirts.

Now, that’s disturbing as hell.

107 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:13:13pm

re: #90 _RememberTonyC

Okay, I’m not saying you have made a definite claim on it. I thought you had some reason to believe it other than this dude babbling about it.

I also think you’ve misunderstood what people were saying about Cantor. What people were objecting to was mainly that Cantor was taking part in a general GOP effort to lay at least part of the blame for the inflamed rhetoric on the Democrats, and to imply that they were using the threats against them for political gain— while he used a threat against himself for politics.

It was still a stupid action on Cantor’s part. I’m sure that there are threats against GOP members, and I’m sure there will be more. However, the GOP has been complicit in ratcheting up the rhetoric to these levels, and they need to start to dial it down, not just to blame Democrats for it.

108 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:13:25pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Their “patriotism” is just a mask. In reality, they’re just rage-o-holics and if they didn’t suffer from ODS they’d find someone or something else to fixate on.

That may be true, but it changes nothing. A lot of people are really, really pissed and I respectfully ask that people consider the numbers if not the reason.

109 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:13:30pm

Mexico arrests suspect over US consulate shooting
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

“Mexican soldiers have arrested a man in connection with the killing of two Americans and a Mexican in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, officials say.

Local reports suggest the suspect is a leading member of a local drugs gang.”

110 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:13:41pm

re: #105 albusteve

the Magic Bullet is the best nontroversy of the month…imo

Hey wait a minute! It does any job in 10 seconds!!

Magic Bullet

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:13:59pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Teh water from teh garden hose makes rainbows!111!!

/

Oh God. That was so weird.

112 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:14:44pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Geneva 1565, combined with the Old West, I think.

Geneva? Ain’t they kinda Frenchish?

113 KingKenrod  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:05pm

re: #33 Dadaist

As long as the Tea Partiers don’t start running around naked like the Burning Man hippies. I’d have to wash my brain in bleach to get rid of the images.

Speaking of magic bullets and hippies running around nude, guess what Erykah Badu’s been up to?

[Link: www.erykahbadu.com…]

(click the ankh)

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:14pm

re: #108 brookly red

That may be true, but it changes nothing. A lot of people are really, really pissed and I respectfully ask that people consider the numbers if not the reason.

But they keep lying about the numbers. And whether or not my gun is loaded.

115 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:15pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh God. That was so weird.

Yeah it was. Although I think it was about a sprinkler? Sheesh. I remember that was part of the fun of playing with the garden hose when I was a kid: making rainbows.

116 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:30pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh God. That was so weird.

i KNOW, MY gARDEN hOSE DUZ THE SAME THING!!!

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:31pm

re: #109 Ericus58

Mexico arrests suspect over US consulate shooting
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

“Mexican soldiers have arrested a man in connection with the killing of two Americans and a Mexican in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, officials say.

Local reports suggest the suspect is a leading member of a local drugs gang.”

Color me shocked.

118 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:47pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, that’s disturbing as hell.

Really? That particular item seems about on par with the “Shrub ain’t my President” kind of thing we saw during the previous administration.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:15:58pm

re: #112 JasonA

Geneva? Ain’t they kinda Frenchish?

Calvin’s little Protestant theocracy.

120 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:16:04pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

It’s not hard to figure out, Hoops. I think the person doing it knew what he was doing.

I think you are right…
Steve said a bit up threat that he thinks they love Their Country…
I agree.. Problem is they’re just plain whacked out…I guess we’ll always have them on both sides…
But it’s not their Country..It’s our Country.. All you get here is too vote..
You’re M-60’s and bombs and intimidation and upside down flags don’t fly with me..
I pray to God none of these freaks ever get into office forever…

121 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:16:09pm

re: #102 CyanSnowHawk

Well if the person who put up the cell phone tower had a flag pole there already, I have no problem with them switching the regular skinny flag pole for the larger diameter cell phone pole. But it dismays me to think that they are flying the flag because first they found out they could make some money by hosting a cell phone antenna on their property and then they decided to fly the flag.

Big flags at car dealerships … sort of OK …
Hopefully they are selling Fords & Chevys but big companies are often “non national” these days shall we say.

122 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:16:19pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

But they keep lying about the numbers. And whether or not my gun is loaded.

so there is no problem? this will all just go away?

123 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:16:34pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, I just might swoon, but I don’t want to catch a load of flack./

124 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:16:51pm

re: #121 Ojoe

Well if the person who put up the cell phone tower had a flag pole there already, I have no problem with them switching the regular skinny flag pole for the larger diameter cell phone pole. But it dismays me to think that they are flying the flag because first they found out they could make some money by hosting a cell phone antenna on their property and then they decided to fly the flag.

Big flags at car dealerships … sort of OK …
Hopefully they are selling Fords & Chevys but big companies are often “non national” these days shall we say.

My Nissan was built in Kentucky IIRC.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:16:55pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Yeah it was. Although I think it was about a sprinkler? Sheesh. I remember that was part of the fun of playing with the garden hose when I was a kid: making rainbows.

Yeah. She was filming the rainbows in the sprinklers, and talking very seriously about how they never used to do this, and what is in the soil?

126 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:17:07pm

re: #118 CyanSnowHawk

Well, it’s kind of more tribalist. It’s the confederate meme, to me.

127 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:17:18pm

re: #110 rwdflynavy

Hey wait a minute! It does any job in 10 seconds!!

Magic Bullet

toss in a Slap Chop and I’d consider it….a $2500 value for 16 bucks!

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:17:34pm

re: #118 CyanSnowHawk

Really? That particular item seems about on par with the “Shrub ain’t my President” kind of thing we saw during the previous administration.

Somehow, rejecting the President seems less alarming to me than rejecting the Union.

129 recusancy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:17:36pm

re: #113 KingKenrod

Speaking of magic bullets and hippies running around nude, guess what Erykah Badu’s been up to?

[Link: www.erykahbadu.com…]

(click the ankh)

Damn blur.

130 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:17:42pm

re: #122 brookly red

so there is no problem? this will all just go away?

No, there will be blood before this is over.

131 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:17:51pm

re: #109 Ericus58

Mexico arrests suspect over US consulate shooting
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

“Mexican soldiers have arrested a man in connection with the killing of two Americans and a Mexican in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, officials say.

Local reports suggest the suspect is a leading member of a local drugs gang.”

He was a Teabagger…

132 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:18:06pm

re: #37 _RememberTonyC

Last week it seemed that some on the board thought the threats against Rep Eric Cantor were not legit. The fact that someone said a bullet “fell into his office” seemed to be “proof” that Cantor was not threatened.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I wonder if those folks “pooh pooed” the threat too soon?

The threat was just a random ricochet from a nut-ball miles from there. Most people have no idea of how far these things can travel before spending themselves.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:18:22pm

re: #122 brookly red

so there is no problem? this will all just go away?

I don’t know. I think there is a problem. I don’t know if it can be solved.

134 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:18:26pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Somehow, rejecting the President seems less alarming to me than rejecting the Union.

uhh, hello…

135 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:18:37pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. She was filming the rainbows in the sprinklers, and talking very seriously about how they never used to do this, and what is in the soil?

Maybe she had a “moment of clarity” that only affected her vision. Her brain however remained clouded.

/

136 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:18:58pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

RE: the bullet and the threatening crazy ass guy:

Plus the crazy guy is from Philly

Bad cheese-steaks can do that to you.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:19:12pm

I gotta run. Seder awaits. I may be on late.

Night all. Chag Sameach!

138 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:19:17pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. She was filming the rainbows in the sprinklers, and talking very seriously about how they never used to do this, and what is in the soil?

Same thing happens after it RAINS! Rains people!!! That NEVER used to happen!!!!

139 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:20:20pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

I gotta run. Seder awaits. I may be on late.

Night all. Chag Sameach!

Night… back at you… Chag Sameach.

140 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:20:53pm

re: #136 ryannon

Also from there:

In one video he addresses President Obama, Vice President Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid by name and says, “Your punishment is coming, the swine, it will be severe, and you will beg for mercy to your god, it will be severe, you will know god’s swine, god has warned you.”

A) I don’t think the campaign contribution to Obama really means much in the context of a death threat against him, and I wonder why the SS dude hasn’t already checked this guy out.

B) What are god’s swine, and where can I buy the bacon that’s made from them?

141 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:21:45pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Somehow, rejecting the President seems less alarming to me than rejecting the Union.

They won’t reject the Federal Gov’t. If they did, then who would take care of them?
/

142 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:22:20pm

re: #103 recusancy

Wow you really want this to have happened huh?


WTF are you talking about?

143 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:22:54pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

No, there will be blood before this is over.

but yet some would choose not to see this…

144 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:23:11pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

No, there will be blood before this is over.

there is plenty of blood all over the country, nobody seems too concerned about gangs taking over entire towns in CA…political violence is to be expected, sooner or later…everybody does it, why not us?…it will come to a head when it involves the Constitution and the B of R’s

145 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:23:25pm

Credit where it’s due, the bumper stickers were funny, and every group that’s out of power has used Jefferson quotes for 200 years.

146 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:24:28pm

re: #107 Obdicut

Okay, I’m not saying you have made a definite claim on it. I thought you had some reason to believe it other than this dude babbling about it.

I also think you’ve misunderstood what people were saying about Cantor. What people were objecting to was mainly that Cantor was taking part in a general GOP effort to lay at least part of the blame for the inflamed rhetoric on the Democrats, and to imply that they were using the threats against them for political gain— while he used a threat against himself for politics.

It was still a stupid action on Cantor’s part. I’m sure that there are threats against GOP members, and I’m sure there will be more. However, the GOP has been complicit in ratcheting up the rhetoric to these levels, and they need to start to dial it down, not just to blame Democrats for it.

You place 100% of the blame on the right, but you dismiss the fact that the left hurls the racism charge at anyone who dares to disagree with Obama. That is just as wrong.

147 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Somehow, rejecting the President seems less alarming to me than rejecting the Union.

I really hope you have a wonderful start to Sabbath..
May The Almighty Lord grant your family and friends strength and Grace this year.. I will pray he opens many doors for you this year..Have faith in his healing the heart..
And he will Bless you…

148 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:24:48pm

re: #144 albusteve

there is plenty of blood all over the country, nobody seems too concerned about gangs taking over entire towns in CA…political violence is to be expected, sooner or later…everybody does it, why not us?…it will come to a head when it involves the Constitution and the B of R’s

the term is “being in denial”.

149 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:25:23pm

re: #83 albusteve

I think they love their country…but they certainly have issues, disconnect from reality for one…you cannot toss the feds, you cannot thrown down the govt, but you can get your ass shot off in the attempt I guess…look for martyrdom to become the next pink

I’m not a psychiatrist, but I have the impression that such individual or collective disconnects invariably lead to a death-trip. It’s as if Eros (or life) is intimately associated with a certain vision of reality. Disconnect too far from it, and you enter the realm of Thanatos.

150 recusancy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:25:29pm

re: #142 _RememberTonyC

WTF are you talking about?

You seem to really want there to be a connection between this nut and the bullet that fell through Cantor’s window, or at least for the bullet through his window to have been a real threat rather then a random incident. It wasn’t even his office that got hit. It was a nearby office.

151 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:25:33pm

re: #145 keloyd

The bumper stickers were funny?

Casual references to the holocaust and pedophilia = high humor, to you?

152 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #138 rwdflynavy

Same thing happens after it RAINS! Rains people!!! That NEVER used to happen!!!

Has it affected the branch water?

153 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:25:56pm

re: #124 rwdflynavy

My Nissan was built in Kentucky IIRC.

And you can buy a Ford Fusion, which is assembled in Mexico.

154 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:26:42pm

re: #146 _RememberTonyC

Some of the bad vibes come from the man at the top who said “typical white person” and characterized other groups as “bitter” and “clinging to guns and religion.”

The country is in a bad way.

155 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:27:21pm

re: #154 Ojoe

Some of the bad vibes come from the man at the top who said “typical white person” and characterized other groups as “bitter” and “clinging to guns and religion.”

The country is in a bad way.

You’re starting to sound like a bitter white person.

/

156 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:27:25pm

re: #154 Ojoe

Yes, out-of-context quotes are most definitely what has enraged people.

/

157 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:27:42pm

re: #149 ryannon

I’m not a psychiatrist, but I have the impression that such individual or collective disconnects invariably lead to a death-trip. It’s as if Eros (or life) is intimately associated with a certain vision of reality. Disconnect too far from it, and you enter the realm of Thanatos.

That’s a pretty deep thought for a Monday.

158 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:27:52pm

BBL

159 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:28:21pm

This upside down flag thing is so 60s! Total hippie anti-war stuff. In Life Magazine, and upside down flags on dorm walls on nearly every campus in the country during the height of the Vietnam war’s unpopularity.

Also in the 80s in Seattle

Life in the 60s

People have their own reason for believing the country is in distress. It’s so weird. The players have changed, but the tactics remain the same. Although I don’t doubt that some former hippies are present day Tea Party members.

160 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:28:30pm

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

From the Politico piece:
In a video posted on YouTube, Leboon said Cantor was a “liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig.” He also seemed to refer to a bullet found in Cantor’s office last week and said it will be placed in his head. Richmond Police had originally discounted the bullet as a stray. It is unclear whether the FBI will expand the investigation into the Richmond bullet.

It’s not unclear at all. Cantor went on national television and talked about a bullet that was determined to be a random stray by examination of the physical evidence. A crazy man fixated on Cantor then incorporated a reference to said bullet into his delusional fixation. How hard is that to fathom? Not even crazy people can shoot bullets into the air and have them land where they want. Also, since Cantor doesn’t list that office or its Reagan Building and International Conventional Center address on his web page, but lists three others offices in other cities, why should we believe that some random attack on that buildings first floor facade was targeted at Cantor?

161 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:28:50pm

re: #157 Querent

That’s a pretty deep thought for a Monday.

It’s nothing compared to the rest of the week.

Man, it’s hard.

162 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:28:56pm

re: #151 Obdicut

The bumper stickers were funny?

Casual references to the holocaust and pedophilia = high humor, to you?

= low humor, which also works in the right time and place. I love me some Beavis and Butthead. Some of the bumper stickers are over the line, but lots of them are witty and amusing, in a bumper-sticker way. Ask Matt Stone and Trey Parker if the Holocaust and Pedophilia can be mined for humor.

163 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:29:15pm

re: #161 ryannon
it’s so deep i need a ladder to get out of it.

164 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:29:33pm

re: #140 Obdicut

B) What are god’s swine, and where can I buy the bacon that’s made from them?

He really seems to hate Babe The Pig.
Crazy man is really, really crazy.

165 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #156 Obdicut

Yes, out-of-context quotes are most definitely what has enraged people.

/

Please show me the context in which racial remarks like that are acceptable from anyone.

166 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #159 Silvergirl

This upside down flag thing is so 60s! Total hippie anti-war stuff. In Life Magazine, and upside down flags on dorm walls on nearly every campus in the country during the height of the Vietnam war’s unpopularity.

Also in the 80s in Seattle

Life in the 60s

People have their own reason for believing the country is in distress. It’s so weird. The players have changed, but the tactics remain the same. Although I don’t doubt that some former hippies are present day Tea Party members.

no the former hippies are present day congress people and there in lies the problem.

167 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:29:49pm

re: #151 Obdicut

The bumper stickers were funny?

Casual references to the holocaust and pedophilia = high humor, to you?

yes, mocking the loonies is an affective strategy, remember?….maybe you weren’t here then

168 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:30:06pm

re: #150 recusancy

You seem to really want there to be a connection between this nut and the bullet that fell through Cantor’s window, or at least for the bullet through his window to have been a real threat rather then a random incident. It wasn’t even his office that got hit. It was a nearby office.

you’re a really shitty mind reader. I don’t “want” there to be anything. I do “want” to acknowledge that threats are out there and when a GOP member is threatened, it should be taken just as seriously as any threat against a Democrat. And some on this board seem to feel that all the bad actors are attacking one side (the Dems) when the truth is not so simple.

169 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:30:12pm

re: #164 webevintage

He really seems to hate Babe The Pig.
Crazy man is really, really crazy.

and THIS little piggie…. oh, never mind.

170 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:30:13pm

re: #162 keloyd

The bumper stickers are idiotic jokes aimed at the lowest common denominator.

So, well, sorry.

171 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:30:17pm

re: #146 _RememberTonyC

You place 100% of the blame on the right, but you dismiss the fact that the left hurls the racism charge at anyone who dares to disagree with Obama. That is just as wrong.

I updinged, but you did overstate with the word anyone. Still, a severe problem.

172 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #159 Silvergirl

This upside down flag thing is so 60s! Total hippie anti-war stuff. In Life Magazine, and upside down flags on dorm walls on nearly every campus in the country during the height of the Vietnam war’s unpopularity.

Also in the 80s in Seattle

Life in the 60s

People have their own reason for believing the country is in distress. It’s so weird. The players have changed, but the tactics remain the same. Although I don’t doubt that some former hippies are present day Tea Party members.

Don’t forget that John Kerry helped write a book whose cover featured a upside down flag.

/spits on Kerry

173 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:30:35pm

re: #165 alexknyc

Please show me the context in which racial remarks like that are acceptable from anyone.

Racial remarks like what, please?

174 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #170 Obdicut

The bumper stickers are idiotic jokes aimed at the lowest common denominator.

So, well, sorry.

You can’t find 5 out of the 100 shown that make you crack a grin?

175 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:31:36pm

Latest missive on Socialized Medicine from James Taranto

Great Moments in Socialized Medicine

The Montreal Gazette reports from a “thinkers’ conference” held by Canada’s opposition Liberal Party:

In a morning session on health care the conference was told that Canadians and their governments must face up to some hard facts and have “an adult conversation” about the future of the country’s health care system.
The advice came from David Dodge, the past governor of the Bank of Canada and former deputy finance minister who said medicare costs will inevitably rise in coming years at a greater rate than government revenues and the country’s gross domestic product, and require some unpalatable choices to be made.
Choices he suggested include new taxes specifically dedicated for health care or a steady reduction in the scope and quality of services provided by the public health system that would require people to either pay for private care themselves or suffer ever greater wait times for service in the public system.
“These are stark and unpalatable choices that we face with respect to health care, but there is no magic solution,” he said. “We absolutely must have an adult debate about how we deal with this. Finding solutions in this area is extraordinarily difficult, but it is imperative.”

No magic solution? Dude, haven’t you heard of Barack Obama? He just signed a law that will reduce the deficit by giving totally awesome health care to all Americans! Why don’t they just pass a similar law up north? What’s the matter with Canada?

176 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:31:40pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Don’t forget that John Kerry helped write a book whose cover featured a upside down flag.

/spits on Kerry

That too, yes.

177 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:31:46pm

re: #168 _RememberTonyC

Nobody has said that, though. Nobody has said that only Democrats are being attacked. Mostly, what people are saying is that the GOP is helping to inflame things, not speaking out strongly against it, and in many ways pandering to the more extreme elements.

178 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:32:06pm

re: #154 Ojoe

Some of the bad vibes come from the man at the top who said “typical white person” and characterized other groups as “bitter” and “clinging to guns and religion.”

The country is in a bad way.

I know I was very disappointed with BO’s cool street jive…did as lot more harm than good, but His Worshippers find nothing wrong with that

179 recusancy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:32:21pm

re: #168 _RememberTonyC

you’re a really shitty mind reader. I don’t “want” there to be anything. I do “want” to acknowledge that threats are out there and when a GOP member is threatened, it should be taken just as seriously as any threat against a Democrat. And some on this board seem to feel that all the bad actors are attacking one side (the Dems) when the truth is not so simple.

The stray bullet was not a threat. The crazy guy on the video was which the left has denounced. That’s reality.

180 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:32:47pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Don’t forget that John Kerry helped write a book whose cover featured a upside down flag.

/spits on Kerry

… I give my agreement without the spit.

181 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:32:47pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Not even crazy people can shoot bullets into the air and have them land where they want.

Basement Cat tells me that they can…
/

182 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:32:47pm

re: #171 Silvergirl

I updinged, but you did overstate with the word anyone. Still, a severe problem.

you are right …. “anyone” should be replaced by “many”

183 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:32:49pm

re: #173 Obdicut

Ojoe said:

Some of the bad vibes come from the man at the top who said “typical white person” and characterized other groups as “bitter” and “clinging to guns and religion.”

You then claimed they were “out-of-context quotes.

I asked you to provide me a context where those remarks were acceptable.

184 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:33:11pm

re: #174 keloyd

No. They’re all pretty damn stupid, or just really damn old.

185 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:33:46pm

re: #170 Obdicut

The bumper stickers are idiotic jokes aimed at the lowest common denominator.

So, well, sorry.

now you are catching on….like Hope and Change!…designed for the lowest common denominator

186 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:34:17pm

Black Magic Militia
-Sorry Fleetwood Mac

I got a Black Magic Militia.
I got a Black Magic Militia.
Yes, I got a Black Magic Militia
It’s got me so blind I can’t see;
But it’s my a Black Magic Militia and
It’s trying to make a devil out of me.

Don’t turn your back on me, baby.
Don’t turn your back on me, baby.
Yes, don’t turn your back on me, baby,
Don’t mess around with your tricks;

You got your spell on me, baby.
You got your spell on me, baby.
Yes, you got your spell on me, baby,
Turnin’ my heart into stone;
I need you so bad,
Magic Militia… I can’t leave you alone.

187 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:34:37pm

re: #126 Obdicut

Well, it’s kind of more tribalist. It’s the confederate meme, to me.

I can see the tribal, or maybe Balkanization, argument there. I don’t automatically connect it with the confederate meme, although the state’s rights arguments sound similar, it is different from “The South Will Rise Again” meme which I associate with the confederates. I also consider the protesters saying things like this out on the fringe, no matter how much press they are getting. They should be slapped down for the discredit they bring to mainstream conservatism as they are getting in the way of useful solutions. I also think most of this circus goes away if there is a large shift in the Congressional (D)/(R) balance come Nov. (Well, after all the celebratory chaos anyway.) Then it be back to the regular background noise we’ve enjoyed since the Clinton administration.

188 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:34:45pm

re: #178 albusteve

I believe we made a foolish decision as a country in electing him.

And while he was campaigning, I asked the black lizards here, if they would not rather that the 1st Black president be better that Obama, and I remember being told quite emphatically, Yes.

BBL really …

189 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:35:09pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops
Don’t you mean Carlos Santana?
Or is that another FM song that made more money for the guy who covered it?

190 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:35:35pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

Black Magic Militia
-Sorry Fleetwood Mac

I got a Black Magic Militia.
I got a Black Magic Militia.
Yes, I got a Black Magic Militia
It’s got me so blind I can’t see;
But it’s my a Black Magic Militia and
It’s trying to make a devil out of me.

Don’t turn your back on me, baby.
Don’t turn your back on me, baby.
Yes, don’t turn your back on me, baby,
Don’t mess around with your tricks;

You got your spell on me, baby.
You got your spell on me, baby.
Yes, you got your spell on me, baby,
Turnin’ my heart into stone;
I need you so bad,
Magic Militia… I can’t leave you alone.

bitch slap for dissing Carlos.

191 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:35:43pm

re: #159 Silvergirl

This upside down flag thing is so 60s! Total hippie anti-war stuff. In Life Magazine, and upside down flags on dorm walls on nearly every campus in the country during the height of the Vietnam war’s unpopularity.

Also in the 80s in Seattle

Life in the 60s

People have their own reason for believing the country is in distress. It’s so weird. The players have changed, but the tactics remain the same. Although I don’t doubt that some former hippies are present day Tea Party members.

Housewives Protest Too High Meat Prices
November 1946

Click on the image for a larger version.

192 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:36:21pm

re: #136 ryannon

Bad cheese-steaks can do that to you.

I was thinking lack of cheese-steaks. Maybe he’s afraid the HCR will lead them being outlawed.
/

193 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:36:46pm

re: #190 brookly red

bitch slap for dissing Carlos.

Fleetwood Mac wrote the song…Carlos kicked ass and made it famous

194 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:37:01pm

re: #190 brookly red

bitch slap for dissing Carlos.

Peter Green wrote that song

195 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:37:34pm

re: #188 Ojoe

I believe we made a foolish decision as a country in electing him.

John McCain and Sarah Palin.

196 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:37:34pm

well then, i learn something new every day…

(off to finish designing a Green Manalishi costume for the upcoming sci-fi con…)

197 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:38:11pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Housewives Protest Too High Meat Prices
November 1946

Click on the image for a larger version.

Of course they’re outraged. The steak was .59 a pound.

198 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:38:15pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Nobody has said that, though. Nobody has said that only Democrats are being attacked. Mostly, what people are saying is that the GOP is helping to inflame things, not speaking out strongly against it, and in many ways pandering to the more extreme elements.

the clear implication in many of the comments (not just from yourself, but also from some others) is that ONLY the GOP inflames things. It demonstrates the very short memories of people. I hate the fact that things are getting so ugly, but I have seen plenty of it from the left as well. I resent very much that anytime I criticize the President, there is an underlying assumption by many of his defenders that my criticisms are somehow less legitimate because I’m a “hater” or a knuckle dragging racist. As if Obama’s decisions are not to be challenged, and when they are, the motives of the challengers are suspect. That is how I feel a lot of the time on the board.

199 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:38:48pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Of course they’re outraged. The steak was .59 a pound.

lol What a deal! /

200 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:38:55pm

re: #193 HoosierHoops

Fleetwood Mac wrote the song…Carlos kicked ass and made it famous

re: #194 albusteve

Peter Green wrote that song

still show some respect :)

201 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:15pm

re: #195 webevintage

Well shall I post the Whig Party info?

Yes we have had fine choices presented to us by the two main parties.

BBL (I said)

LOL on my BBL

Now I will really try to BBL …

202 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:21pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Of course they’re outraged. The steak was .59 a pound.

Exactly right!

I searched for the upside down flag and came up empty.

203 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:22pm

re: #183 alexknyc

Um, okay. Obama was pointing out that we still do notice and react to race in America, and that for someone of his grandmother’s generation, there’s a reaction that is caused by having had grown up in a much more race-divided society, and that even someone without racial prejudice in any substantial way will still have that reaction.

As to saying some people, disappointed by the political process, become bitter and cling to religion, gun rights, and other issues— I’m not sure how that’s a racial statement, and it’s also perfectly true. Can you clarify how that is a ‘racial’ statement, please?

204 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:36pm

gotta get ready for my show …. later folks!

205 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:43pm

re: #199 Gus 802

lol What a deal! /

back when 59 cents was the equivalent of today’s $5.90…

206 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:51pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Of course they’re outraged. The steak was .59 a pound.

and gas was a dime…

207 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:39:57pm

re: #201 Ojoe

Well shall I post the Whig Party info?

Yes we have had fine choices presented to us by the two main parties.

BBL (I said)

LOL on my BBL

Now I will really try to BBL …

Not unless you can promise us a chicken in every pot and 59 cents a pound steak!

208 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:02pm

re: #187 CyanSnowHawk

Now that the freaks have touched the handles of power— or think they have— I don’t think they’re going to be quieting down any time soon.

209 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:10pm

re: #199 Gus 802

lol What a deal! /


Corn-fed and no growth hormones or antibiotics.

210 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:13pm

re: #205 Querent

back when 59 cents was the equivalent of today’s $5.90…

Yep, it’s relative.

211 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:17pm

re: #198 _RememberTonyC

the clear implication in many of the comments (not just from yourself, but also from some others) is that ONLY the GOP inflames things. It demonstrates the very short memories of people. I hate the fact that things are getting so ugly, but I have seen plenty of it from the left as well. I resent very much that anytime I criticize the President, there is an underlying assumption by many of his defenders that my criticisms are somehow less legitimate because I’m a “hater” or a knuckle dragging racist. As if Obama’s decisions are not to be challenged, and when they are, the motives of the challengers are suspect. That is how I feel a lot of the time on the board.

I get that feeling from time to time as well. But I try to remember that it’s more likely that I’m reading that into the comments than it being the message sent. Not always, but more often than not.

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:30pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Of course they’re outraged. The steak was .59 a pound.

Though WWII had ended, demobilization took time. That and the need to supply food to Europe meant that food prices did not go down like people hoped they would. Moreover, given the way the nation had ramped up for war, 1946 inevitably saw the economy contract.

213 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:33pm

re: #154 Ojoe

Some of the bad vibes come from the man at the top who said “typical white person” and characterized other groups as “bitter” and “clinging to guns and religion.”

The country is in a bad way.

He poormouthed his own then-living grandmother, the one who raised him. A real shame she couldn’t have progressed to such a lofty stage of enlightenment as him, before she died.

214 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:42pm

re: #200 brookly red

still show some respect :)

a reasonable notion, I guess…otherwise
FUCK OFF!

215 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:40:52pm

re: #209 ryannon

Corn-fed and no growth hormones or antibiotics.

Hmm, I didn’t think of that. Organic meat! 59 cents a pound!

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:41:06pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Out in the middle of a desert and not a graboid in sight, damn.

GRABBOIDS

I love Tremors so much. Though that actor will always be Egg Chen from Big Trouble in Little China to me.

217 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:41:46pm

re: #206 brookly red

and gas was a dime…

And a beer was five cents - and came with a free lunch and a cigar.

218 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:41:55pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Of course they’re outraged. The steak was .59 a pound.

But your market was clean-white-sanitary

219 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #198 _RememberTonyC

Right now I don’t think there are any Democrats I can name off the top of my head who have done anything to inflame things. Can you name one?

There is certainly shit-tons more inflaming coming from the GOP side than the Democrats.

I resent very much that anytime I criticize the President, there is an underlying assumption by many of his defenders that my criticisms are somehow less legitimate because I’m a “hater” or a knuckle dragging racist.

I have never implied or accused you of being a racist or a hater, so it’s disappointing to see that in your post. I don’t mind being taken to task for things I’ve done, but I resent very much being told that I do things that I don’t do.

It makes it hard to take your complaints seriously, when I can’t stop doing the things you accuse me of because I was never doing them in the first place.

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:42:39pm

re: #165 alexknyc

Please show me the context in which racial remarks like that are acceptable from anyone.

You’re still on the Typical White Person thing? really?

Some people just can’t let go of a campaign. Pretty sad really

221 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:04pm

re: #217 ryannon

And a beer was five cents - and came with a free lunch and a cigar.

a cuban cigar…

222 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:24pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Though WWII had ended, demobilization took time. That and the need to supply food to Europe meant that food prices did not go down like people hoped they would. Moreover, given the way the nation had ramped up for war, 1946 inevitably saw the economy contract.

I remember butcher shops displaying the OPA blue Eagle.

223 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:30pm

re: #203 Obdicut

Um, okay. Obama was pointing out that we still do notice and react to race in America, and that for someone of his grandmother’s generation, there’s a reaction that is caused by having had grown up in a much more race-divided society, and that even someone without racial prejudice in any substantial way will still have that reaction.

As to saying some people, disappointed by the political process, become bitter and cling to religion, gun rights, and other issues— I’m not sure how that’s a racial statement, and it’s also perfectly true. Can you clarify how that is a ‘racial’ statement, please?

It’s not only racial but class-oriented as well.

You can have “code words” for working-class whites as easily as you can have them for other groups.

In any case, it’s a divisive, “us and them” rhetoric (remember where he said these things?) and it doesn’t reflect well on him.

224 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:34pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

Fleetwood Mac?

Carlos Santana HH.

225 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:36pm

re: #214 albusteve

a reasonable notion, I guess…otherwise
FUCK OFF!

What ever happened to Peter Green? Last I heard he gave away everything he owned and became very Religious…And a little nutty…
Is he some monk now living a vow of silence?

226 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:46pm

re: #213 The Sanity Inspector

He said something true about race in America— a typical person still reacts to someone he doesn’t know partially along racial lines. The Harvard Implicit Association test is a very easy proof of that.

[Link: implicit.harvard.edu…]

He also made it clear that he was not at all saying his grandmother had any racism in her whatsoever.

227 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:54pm

I’m making a prediction right now. It will come true in either 2 or 9 days. Southpark will make a show ripping on these militia clowns. They missed the first big militia thing in the early 90s by a few years, but it’s tailor made for their irreverent style. Prediction #2 - it will be very Cartman-centric. I love me some Cartman.

They proved with the Cuban kid Elian Gonzales that they could throw together an episode in a week when current events hand them a big steaming premise. Likely as not, they’re behind schedule with this season like all the rest, and had few or no other ideas.

Obdicut - don’t watch Southpark for a few weeks. :P

228 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:56pm

re: #218 Stanley Sea

But your market was clean-white-sanitary

I’m hoping that meant the counters and butcher paper and butcher’s uniform, though I’m aware of the times.

229 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:43:57pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

I remember butcher shops displaying the OPA blue Eagle.


commence “Good Old Days Thread” in 3… 2… 1…

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:44:08pm

re: #198 _RememberTonyC

the clear implication in many of the comments (not just from yourself, but also from some others) is that ONLY the GOP inflames things. It demonstrates the very short memories of people. I hate the fact that things are getting so ugly, but I have seen plenty of it from the left as well. I resent very much that anytime I criticize the President, there is an underlying assumption by many of his defenders that my criticisms are somehow less legitimate because I’m a “hater” or a knuckle dragging racist. As if Obama’s decisions are not to be challenged, and when they are, the motives of the challengers are suspect. That is how I feel a lot of the time on the board.

Let’s hear some examples of mainstream Democrats (I.e. elected) that are using inflammatory rhetoric. The only guy I can think of off the top of my head is Alan Grayson.

231 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:44:36pm

re: #229 Querent

commence “Good Old Days Thread” in 3… 2… 1…

Back in my day meat was free.

My mom and dad bought it.

//

232 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:44:47pm

re: #193 HoosierHoops

Fleetwood Mac wrote the song…Carlos kicked ass and made it famous

I could see that. Stevie Nicks would have made a mess of it.

233 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:45:03pm

re: #223 alexknyc

I have no idea what argument you’re trying to make; it seems to have little to do with what I said.

Are you making the argument that comments about people being bitter and clinging to guns and religion is an inherently racist comment about whites?

234 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:45:10pm

re: #229 Querent

commence “Good Old Days Thread” in 3… 2… 1…

change was what you got back from a dollar!

235 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:45:18pm

re: #229 Querent

commence “Good Old Days Thread” in 3… 2… 1…

Sorry, kids. These are the Good Old Days.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:45:39pm

re: #223 alexknyc

It’s not only racial but class-oriented as well.

You can have “code words” for working-class whites as easily as you can have them for other groups.

In any case, it’s a divisive, “us and them” rhetoric (remember where he said these things?) and it doesn’t reflect well on him.

Man, you are stretching so hard we should just put you in the Fantastic Four.

If you got a divisive “us versus them” thing from Obama’s speech on race, then I really don’t know what to say to you.

237 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:45:42pm

re: #227 keloyd

I watched the first three episodes of South Park, and haven’t found any episodes since then that original.

I’m currently busy watching the IT Crowd.

238 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:01pm

re: #220 WindUpBird

You’re still on the Typical White Person thing? really?

Some people just can’t let go of a campaign. Pretty sad really

I can let go of the campaign just fine.

What I won’t do is excuse divisive remarks from the President of the United States because he’s on my political “team.”

Can you say the same?

239 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:21pm

re: #230 WindUpBird

Yep, I forgot about Grayson. That guy is, in my opinion, an ass. He’s the less-classy and less-smart version of Weiner.

240 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #233 Obdicut

I have no idea what argument you’re trying to make; it seems to have little to do with what I said.

Are you making the argument that comments about people being bitter and clinging to guns and religion is an inherently racist comment about whites?

well considering the location dissed in that comment, yes.

241 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #227 keloyd

I’m making a prediction right now. It will come true in either 2 or 9 days. Southpark will make a show ripping on these militia clowns. They missed the first big militia thing in the early 90s by a few years, but it’s tailor made for their irreverent style. Prediction #2 - it will be very Cartman-centric. I love me some Cartman.

I’m hoping for a Babe The Pig God telling Cartman to take down Mr. Hand episode….

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:34pm

re: #217 ryannon

And a beer was five cents - and came with a free lunch and a cigar.

I remember when gas was a buck a gallon. ;_;

243 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:40pm

re: #224 CyanSnowHawk

Fleetwood Mac?

Carlos Santana HH.

No..Sorry..I have the original around the monster music drive somewhere..
Fleetwood Mac first recorded it.. Peter Green wrote it
Santana made it legendary

244 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:46:45pm

re: #234 brookly red

change was what you got back from a dollar!

Vending machine cigarettes had 2 pennies under the cellophane to give you change from your quarter.

245 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:47:03pm

re: #234 brookly red

change was what you got back from a dollar!

with the occasional Indian-head penny and Buffalo nickels in real silver!

246 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:47:10pm

re: #226 Obdicut

He said something true about race in America— a typical person still reacts to someone he doesn’t know partially along racial lines. The Harvard Implicit Association test is a very easy proof of that.

[Link: implicit.harvard.edu…]

He also made it clear that he was not at all saying his grandmother had any racism in her whatsoever.

The man’s supposed to be a politician. He used the example of his own grandmother to illustrate some racial shortcoming of America. Harvard me no Harvards; it was another example of his tin ear to say something like that.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:47:44pm

re: #238 alexknyc

I can let go of the campaign just fine.

What I won’t do is excuse divisive remarks from the President of the United States because he’s on my political “team.”

Can you say the same?

My “team” is the critically thinking team. Done talking with you, because you make no sense, toodles!

248 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:48:01pm

re: #245 ryannon

with the occasional Indian-head penny and Buffalo nickels in real silver!

no nickles were nickel… dimes were silver.

249 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:48:16pm

re: #219 Obdicut

Right now I don’t think there are any Democrats I can name off the top of my head who have done anything to inflame things. Can you name one?

There is certainly shit-tons more inflaming coming from the GOP side than the Democrats.

I have never implied or accused you of being a racist or a hater, so it’s disappointing to see that in your post. I don’t mind being taken to task for things I’ve done, but I resent very much being told that I do things that I don’t do.

It makes it hard to take your complaints seriously, when I can’t stop doing the things you accuse me of because I was never doing them in the first place.

you are sounding more and more like a hack…I like other observations you post, but this partisan meme gets boring as hell…someone recently said they are no longer a conservative because G Beck is a fool…right, so Ray Lewis is an evil linebacker, therefore I can no longer identify with football…

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:48:34pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Housewives Protest Too High Meat Prices
November 1946

Click on the image for a larger version.

There’s one more lesson of that picture.: November 1946 saw a Congrassion Election. High food prices were amoung the issues that ticked off the voters and the Democrats paid the price at the polls with the Republicans winning both house of Congress for the first time in 14 years.

251 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:48:42pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

I remember when gas was a buck a gallon. ;_;

I remember my father storming out of a service station’s parking lot because he didn’t need gas bad enough to pay forty cents a gallon for it!

252 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:49:17pm

re: #248 brookly red

no nickles were nickel… dimes were silver.

We still used pennies made of silvery non-strategic base metal.

253 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:49:33pm

Pizza was 5 cents a slice and made by an Italian!

254 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:49:40pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

I saw in the replies. Should have looked it up first.

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:49:44pm

re: #246 The Sanity Inspector

The man’s supposed to be a politician. He used the example of his own grandmother to illustrate some racial shortcoming of America. Harvard me no Harvards; it was another example of his tin ear to say something like that.

so which is it:

are we criticizing turns of phrase and pointing out gaffes?

Or are we actually talking about inflammatory racist rhetoric?

256 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:49:58pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

We still used pennies made of silvery non-strategic base metal.

zinc… the copper went to the war effort.

257 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:03pm

re: #219 Obdicut

Right now I don’t think there are any Democrats I can name off the top of my head who have done anything to inflame things. Can you name one?

There is certainly shit-tons more inflaming coming from the GOP side than the Democrats.

I have never implied or accused you of being a racist or a hater, so it’s disappointing to see that in your post. I don’t mind being taken to task for things I’ve done, but I resent very much being told that I do things that I don’t do.

It makes it hard to take your complaints seriously, when I can’t stop doing the things you accuse me of because I was never doing them in the first place.

OK … I logged back on just to answer you. Right now, the Dems are pretty quiet, but maybe you can recall a few years ago when there was plenty of inflammatory rhetoric from the left (Gore, Olbermann, et al) who said horrible stuff about their political opponents such as Bush. You seem to think my comment about people casting aspersions on the motives of those who criticize Obama was directed at you personally, which it was not. You are one of hundreds who post here each day … get over yourself. My criticisms and comments are just as legitimate as yours. Do not fucking patronize me by saying you “can’t take my criticisms seriously.” Who made you the judge and jury on the legitimacy of my opinions.

258 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:07pm

re: #227 keloyd

I’m making a prediction right now. It will come true in either 2 or 9 days. Southpark will make a show ripping on these militia clowns. They missed the first big militia thing in the early 90s by a few years, but it’s tailor made for their irreverent style. Prediction #2 - it will be very Cartman-centric. I love me some Cartman.

They proved with the Cuban kid Elian Gonzales that they could throw together an episode in a week when current events hand them a big steaming premise. Likely as not, they’re behind schedule with this season like all the rest, and had few or no other ideas.

Obdicut - don’t watch Southpark for a few weeks. :P

I live in the home of South Park, in the actual town that was the hometown of Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the town that was the “model” for the show.

Yes, there are some people like you see on the show, right here, live and human.

259 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:15pm

re: #226 Obdicut

He said something true about race in America— a typical person still reacts to someone he doesn’t know partially along racial lines. The Harvard Implicit Association test is a very easy proof of that.

[Link: implicit.harvard.edu…]

He also made it clear that he was not at all saying his grandmother had any racism in her whatsoever.

I don’t know if you can have it both ways.

Someone reacting to a person he doesn’t know partially along racial lines means racism (using definition 1 from dictionary.com) is present. If you’re making snap judgments (even if they’re initial) and using race as a guideline, how is that not racism?

260 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:30pm

re: #256 brookly red

zinc… the copper went to the war effort.

so THAT’s where the zinc cores came from…

261 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:44pm

re: #240 brookly red

It really wasn’t a diss, to me. Obama was acknowledging that they have been fucked over in the political process, and they cling to issues that they care about. People do get bitter, and they do cling to guns and religion and other issues. I never understood the level of outrage over that comment.

If I was holding a campaign rally with people going into Hunter’s Point, I’d say, “Remember, these people have been shafted by the political process. They’ve become bitter, and the cling to religion, conspiracy theories, and they tolerate crime because they don’t trust the cops.”

Does that make me a racist, or am I saying that because it’s true? Hunter’s Point happens to be a mostly black area of town. The beliefs they hold aren’t because they’re black, it’s because of their economic history.

262 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:45pm

re: #231 Gus 802

Back in my day meat was free.

My mom and dad bought it.

//

Now, for some, Mom and Dad = The Government.

Someone posted this I think in some old spin-offs. Eye-opening.

They’re young, they’re broke, and they pay for organic salmon with government subsidies. Got a problem with that?

263 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:50:58pm

67 defense finance workers to lose jobs over personal debt

Angelo “Troy” Marshall will lose his job with the federal government Friday after 17 years. Not because of a poor job performance or downsizing, but because he owes nearly $6,000 on credit card and medical bills.

Six grand? SIX? Yeah, sometimes I agree with you guys who think our gov’t is grade A stupid and can’t do anything right.

264 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:51:01pm

re: #253 brookly red

Pizza was 5 cents a slice and made by an Italian!

It would be 10 years until I saw my first pizza in Pittsburgh (made by an Italian nun).

265 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:51:02pm

re: #255 WindUpBird

so which is it:

are we criticizing turns of phrase and pointing out gaffes?

Or are we actually talking about inflammatory racist rhetoric?

Me? A gaffe.

266 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:51:16pm

re: #230 WindUpBird

Let’s hear some examples of mainstream Democrats (I.e. elected) that are using inflammatory rhetoric. The only guy I can think of off the top of my head is Alan Grayson.

during the Bush administration … there were plenty. Gore and Hillary to name two.

Now I really do have to leave.

267 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:51:23pm

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

OK … I logged back on just to answer you. Right now, the Dems are pretty quiet, but maybe you can recall a few years ago when there was plenty of inflammatory rhetoric from the left (Gore, Olbermann, et al) who said horrible stuff about their political opponents such as Bush. You seem to think my comment about people casting aspersions on the motives of those who criticize Obama was directed at you personally, which it was not. You are one of hundreds who post here each day … get over yourself. My criticisms and comments are just as legitimate as yours. Do not fucking patronize me by saying you “can’t take my criticisms seriously.” Who made you the judge and jury on the legitimacy of my opinions.

Oh my goodness, you’re using a tock-a-too argument here, I think that’s forbidden, or something like that.

268 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:51:37pm

re: #237 Obdicut

I watched the first three episodes of South Park, and haven’t found any episodes since then that original.

I’m currently busy watching the IT Crowd.


(Incredulous)

You never saw “How to Eat with Your Butt.”?

It’s so original that it causes genetic mutations.

269 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:52:00pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

There’s one more lesson of that picture.: November 1946 saw a Congrassion Election. High food prices were amoung the issues that ticked off the voters and the Democrats paid the price at the polls with the Republicans winning both house of Congress for the first time in 14 years.

Looks like there was a wave of strikes that year too.

Culture History
Culture: The Great Strike Wave of 1946

300,000 meatworkers starting in January.

/Now I’ve done it. I brought up the unions. :)

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:52:11pm

re: #249 albusteve

you are sounding more and more like a hack…I like other observations you post, but this partisan meme gets boring as hell…someone recently said they are no longer a conservative because G Beck is a fool…right, so Ray Lewis is an evil linebacker, therefore I can no longer identify with football…

there’s nothing partisan about observing that Republicans are currently employing inflammatory rhetoric.

There’s nothing partisan about observing that Democrats during Bush were employing inflammatory rhetoric.

We can make these issues partisan, but they don’t have to be. Is Charles a Democrat now because he’s constantly pointing out what inflammatory things Republicans are doing? Or will you give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he’s actually worried about creepy wacko extremist rhetoric being amplified by congressmen?

271 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:52:27pm

re: #225 HoosierHoops

What ever happened to Peter Green? Last I heard he gave away everything he owned and became very Religious…And a little nutty…
Is he some monk now living a vow of silence?

he plays and tours…he had some bad times for sure…talk about the blues…ironically his twin guitarist back then, Jeremy Spencer really hit the wall…a devastating LSD gig, new found religious cults, child molestation charges etc…and to this day he plays around for money too…imo Green is one of the finest living bluesmen today…weird shit huh?

272 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:52:45pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

It would be 10 years until I saw my first pizza in Pittsburgh (made by an Italian nun).

Sister Maryxtracheese!

273 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:52:52pm

If you think this is bad, just wait until immigration reform gets introduced. This rally will seem like a garden party compared to what’s coming next. It’s all about the culture war.

274 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:53:15pm

re: #273 palomino

Ay carumba!

275 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:53:24pm

re: #262 Silvergirl

Ugh. Don’t remind me. I was hoping to get some money today for work I’ve done and I don’t think they’re due back for a week.

276 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:53:49pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness, you’re using a tock-a-too argument here, I think that’s forbidden, or something like that.

*burst of laughter*

277 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:53:51pm

re: #248 brookly red

no nickles were nickel… dimes were silver.

Well, real nickel and not just some electro-plated cheap alloy.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:53:57pm

re: #259 alexknyc

I don’t know if you can have it both ways.

Someone reacting to a person he doesn’t know partially along racial lines means racism (using definition 1 from dictionary.com) is present. If you’re making snap judgments (even if they’re initial) and using race as a guideline, how is that not racism?

I lied, this is too good to leave alone. Are you one of those guys who says that the christian white male is the most discriminated against group in america? :D


There’s some serious ooginess coming off you in waves. THE PRESIDENT IS RACIST HONEST HE’S A RACIALLY RACIST RACIST

279 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:54:02pm

re: #233 Obdicut

I have no idea what argument you’re trying to make; it seems to have little to do with what I said.

Are you making the argument that comments about people being bitter and clinging to guns and religion is an inherently racist comment about whites?

It’s a comment about working class whites made to a fundraising audience in San Francisco (clearly a place where he felt comfortable assuming that the people in the audience shared his feelings about working-class whites who live in “flyover country”— right before the PA primary).

Living in NYC, I see this attitude from self-proclaimed liberals several times a week. It doesn’t reflect well on them and it doesn’t reflect well on the POTUS.

280 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:54:06pm

re: #259 alexknyc

Have you taken the Harvard Implicit Association test in regards to race?

[Link: implicit.harvard.edu…]

It’s a test that tells whether we associate negative or positive words with a particular race. The general statistics finds that far more people associate positive words with white people, and negative words with black people. This is true among blacks as well as whites, interestingly enough.

Implicit reaction has very little to do with actual actions. As long as you’re a conscious being, you can adjust your actual judgments and thoughts, and not be tied to your initial reactions. We’re humans; we’re cool at doing that.

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:54:41pm

re: #273 palomino

If you think this is bad, just wait until immigration reform gets introduced. This rally will seem like a garden party compared to what’s coming next. It’s all about the culture war.

It’ll be refreshing to watch an issue develop that I’m not emotionally invested in. I don’t have to watch my blood pressure skyrocket like I did during HCR debates :D

282 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:54:43pm

re: #274 JasonA

Ay carumba!

At least it will be entertaining.

283 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:55:00pm

re: #271 albusteve

he plays and tours…he had some bad times for sure…talk about the blues…ironically his twin guitarist back then, Jeremy Spencer really hit the wall…a devastating LSD gig, new found religious cults, child molestation charges etc…and to this day he plays around for money too…imo Green is one of the finest living bluesmen today…weird shit huh?

Amazing stuff…Peter Green was awesome in those days….

284 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:55:07pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

We still used pennies made of silvery non-strategic base metal.

I remember that!

Life-regression therapy!

I wanna go back!

285 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:55:27pm

re: #263 JasonA

67 defense finance workers to lose jobs over personal debt

Six grand? SIX? Yeah, sometimes I agree with you guys who think our gov’t is grade A stupid and can’t do anything right.

Look for more on that story (like a problem history). DFAS is an extremely uptight organization because low-level admins disburse millions of dollars.

286 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:55:57pm

re: #270 WindUpBird

there’s nothing partisan about observing that Republicans are currently employing inflammatory rhetoric.

There’s nothing partisan about observing that Democrats during Bush were employing inflammatory rhetoric.

We can make these issues partisan, but they don’t have to be. Is Charles a Democrat now because he’s constantly pointing out what inflammatory things Republicans are doing? Or will you give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he’s actually worried about creepy wacko extremist rhetoric being amplified by congressmen?

whatever, spread out over time it is probably equal….I see no reason for hundreds of posts and thousands of words to defend either the right or the left…it’s a waste of verbage and generally I just scroll by all the waste

287 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:56:04pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness, you’re using a tock-a-too argument here, I think that’s forbidden, or something like that.

Is that where the Cocteau Twins support your argument?

288 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:56:07pm

re: #237 Obdicut

I watched the first three episodes of South Park, and haven’t found any episodes since then that original.

I’m currently busy watching the IT Crowd.

You gotta give the three parter about the Journey To The Imagination a try. It’s filled with glorious Gen-X injokes. :D

289 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:56:15pm
290 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:56:25pm

re: #284 ryannon

I remember that!

Life-regression therapy!

I wanna go back!

a 65 mustang rag top brand new…

$700

291 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:56:26pm

re: #236 WindUpBird

Man, you are stretching so hard we should just put you in the Fantastic Four.

If you got a divisive “us versus them” thing from Obama’s speech on race, then I really don’t know what to say to you.

His speech and where he made it show a mindset I see very often here in NYC. Working-class whites in “flyover country” are less “enlightened” by virtue of being working-class whites who live in “flyover country.”

I can’t speak for you but I see that as divisive.

292 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:56:30pm

re: #287 CyanSnowHawk

Is that where the Cocteau Twins support your argument?

Upding for Cocteau Twins

293 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:57:30pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

… tock-a-too …


CATO! AVERT YOUR EYES!
hahahahaha

294 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:57:36pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

My “team” is the critically thinking team. Done talking with you, because you make no sense, toodles!

Sorry I don’t fit into the neat little cubby-hole you had all staked out for me.

295 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:57:36pm

re: #292 WindUpBird

Upding for Cocteau Twins

updings for anything that makes me grin. I’m feeling generous today.

296 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:57:49pm

re: #273 palomino

If you think this is bad, just wait until immigration reform gets introduced. This rally will seem like a garden party compared to what’s coming next. It’s all about the culture war.

yes, we predicted that last year…thanks for the reminder tho

297 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:58:13pm
Baruch atah Adonai, Eloheynu, Melech haolam, G-d, please, bless America, the guarantor of freedom and democracy, in this time of her weakness.
Restore her fortunes as in days of old.

Baruch atah Adonai, Eloheynu, Melech Haolam, G-d, please, guard and protect Israel and Your holy city, Jerusalem.
Restore us to You, O Lord, that we may be restored! Renew our days as of old.

A zisn Pesach to all.

Here is a sentimental film of Pesach 1947 Vienna.Please, ignore the first few seconds. Understandably, the film may have to be taken down:

298 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:58:22pm

re: #279 alexknyc

I share those feelings. I think a lot of people who have been fucked over continually, economically and politically, are clinging to guns, religion, and other issues.

Oh, by the way, you probably consider me a ‘liberal’ and I’m moving to NYC in June. Isn’t that swell?

299 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:58:50pm

Alaska Democratic Party Headquarters Vandalized: Window Smashed

This shocks me.
Alaska has a Democratic Party Headquarters?

300 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:59:21pm

re: #298 Obdicut

I share those feelings. I think a lot of people who have been fucked over continually, economically and politically, are clinging to guns, religion, and other issues.

Oh, by the way, you probably consider me a ‘liberal’ and I’m moving to NYC in June. Isn’t that swell?

/awww fuck!

301 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:59:35pm

re: #293 keloyd

CATO! AVERT YOUR EYES!
hahahahaha

DON’T LOOK ETHYL!

But it was too late.

302 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 4:59:40pm

re: #298 Obdicut

Oh, by the way, you probably consider me a ‘liberal’ and I’m moving to NYC in June. Isn’t that swell?

LGF — we’re uniters, not dividers…

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:00:20pm

re: #291 alexknyc

His speech and where he made it show a mindset I see very often here in NYC. Working-class whites in “flyover country” are less “enlightened” by virtue of being working-class whites who live in “flyover country.”

I can’t speak for you but I see that as divisive.

Sounds like more of an NYC problem than a liberal problem. I live in Oregon. Full of PORTLAND LIBERALS BOO HISS and also full of nice rural expanses where people rock the F-350 with a lift kit.

If your problem is with NYC attitude, hey fine. Never been there, don’t care, wouldn’t live there. But making this some weird stretchy racism smear about the president, it’s so far off the mark it’s missing the dartboard entirely.

304 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:00:36pm

re: #297 Stuart Leviton

Here is a sentimental film of Pesach 1947 Vienna.Please, ignore the first few seconds. Understandably, the film may have to be taken down:

The sun is going down in Austin. To all the Jewish cohort here on the board, a pleasant and peaceful Passover.

305 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:01:05pm

re: #303 WindUpBird
upding for rampant creative metaphors!

306 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:01:05pm

re: #294 alexknyc

Sorry I don’t fit into the neat little cubby-hole you had all staked out for me.

I don’t have a cubby hole for you. Your words, they’re all I have.

And the words…they make no sense! When you try and make a case for something that doesn’t exist, I take you less seriously.

307 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:01:22pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

It’ll be refreshing to watch an issue develop that I’m not emotionally invested in. I don’t have to watch my blood pressure skyrocket like I did during HCR debates :D

Good point. For the gop, it’s a big mess. They have to deal with rabid anti-immigrant rhetoric from teabaggers and some of their members (Tancredo, King et al.) while trying not to lose what’s left of the Latino vote.

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:01:39pm

re: #305 Querent

upding for rampant creative metaphors!

That’s pretty much all I do. I yammer about politics as a delivery system for colorful metaphors ;-)

309 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:02:18pm

re: #307 palomino

Good point. For the gop, it’s a big mess. They have to deal with rabid anti-immigrant rhetoric from teabaggers and some of their members (Tancredo, King et al.) while trying not to lose what’s left of the Latino vote.

it’s gonna be really wild, and probably really ugly.

310 albusteve  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:02:27pm

Walter, or anybody else
what’s up with the holiday and feast?…what is going on?…heathens everywhere are intrigued

311 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:02:33pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

I lied, this is too good to leave alone. Are you one of those guys who says that the christian white male is the most discriminated against group in america? :D

There’s some serious ooginess coming off you in waves. THE PRESIDENT IS RACIST HONEST HE’S A RACIALLY RACIST RACIST

In answer to your question, no.

In response to your statement, if you can’t actually respond to what I said instead of a strawman, then maybe you should leave it alone.

312 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:02:44pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

That’s pretty much all I do. I yammer about politics as a delivery system for colorful metaphors ;-)

and i’m particularly hard to impress, especially after a fresh Lileks fix.

313 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:02:58pm

re: #299 JasonA

Alaska Democratic Party Headquarters Vandalized: Window Smashed

This shocks me.
Alaska has a Democratic Party Headquarters?

Yup. They even have a D Senator.

314 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:03:01pm

Ok… guest are arriving… need to do Passover. BBL

315 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:03:37pm

re: #313 austin_blue

Yup. They even have a D Senator.

Well, only because the other guy had some trouble with the law.

316 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:04:20pm

No. 14 is the best - “National Socialist Health Care”. Weapons-grade stupid.

Oh, and the guy early on with the sign whinging about America being “desecrated”. I wasn’t aware there was anything “sacred” about this accidental country, anymore than there is about, say, Australia.

WTF?

317 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:04:32pm

re: #292 WindUpBird

Upding for Cocteau Twins

Monsieur est servi:

318 Querent  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:05:08pm

re: #316 Cato the Elder
upding for “weapons-grade stupid” !! may i quote that?

319 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:06:16pm

re: #318 Querent

upding for “weapons-grade stupid” !! may i quote that?

No copyright symbol on that one. Probably okay.

320 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:06:19pm

re: #311 alexknyc

In answer to your question, no.

In response to your statement, if you can’t actually respond to what I said instead of a strawman, then maybe you should leave it alone.

I am responding to what you said. I responded multiple times. I honestly cannot see where you’re coming from. At BEST you’re inflating an awkward turn of phrase in a very candid speech about race, and you’re blowing up one little bit of it into some huge deal and using that to assert that the president is racist. It makes very little sense to me.

That’s exactly what I’m reading from you, no strawman, no sillyness, just telling it to you straight. i don’t get where you’re coming from at all, except maybe that you’re incredibly sensitive to white guys in flyover states being picked on.

321 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:07:01pm

re: #316 Cato the Elder

No. 14 is the best - “National Socialist Health Care”. Weapons-grade stupid.

Oh, and the guy early on with the sign whinging about America being “desecrated”. I wasn’t aware there was anything “sacred” about this accidental country, anymore than there is about, say, Australia.

WTF?

but yet you choose to stay :)

322 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:07:04pm

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

Right now, the Dems are pretty quiet,

Thank you. That was my point.

My criticisms and comments are just as legitimate as yours. Do not fucking patronize me by saying you “can’t take my criticisms seriously.” Who made you the judge and jury on the legitimacy of my opinions.

Me. I did. I can’t take your criticisms seriously. I’m not saying other people can’t, I’m saying I can’t. Or don’t. I’m not sure why that’s patronizing.

I have not seen nearly as many accusations of someone being racist or a hater as I have protestations from people that they’re accused of being racist or a hater.

323 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:07:34pm

re: #316 Cato the Elder

No. 14 is the best - “National Socialist Health Care”. Weapons-grade stupid.

Oh, and the guy early on with the sign whinging about America being “desecrated”. I wasn’t aware there was anything “sacred” about this accidental country, anymore than there is about, say, Australia.

WTF?

Godwin’s Law EPIC FAIL.

324 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:07:44pm

Donald N. Frey, Designer of the Mustang, Dies at 86
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: March 28, 2010

Donald N. Frey, the engineer who spearheaded the design and development of the Mustang, the spunky, stylish, affordably priced “pony car” that the Ford Motor Company rolled out in the mid-1960s in one of the most successful car introductions in automotive history, died March 5 in Evanston, Ill., where he lived. He was 86.

325 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:08:17pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Donald N. Frey, Designer of the Mustang, Dies at 86
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: March 28, 2010


Now we’re really fucked.

326 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:08:28pm

OK, pizza or sushi?

327 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:09:17pm

re: #318 Querent

upding for “weapons-grade stupid” !! may i quote that?

It’s been making the rounds, as it were. I stole it from someone else here.

328 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:09:37pm

re: #326 brookly red

OK, pizza or sushi?

Sushi pizza - Chicago Style, with pineapple.

(ducks & covers)

329 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:09:40pm

re: #326 brookly red

OK, pizza or sushi?

Anchovy pizza. Dems always compromise.

330 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:09:40pm

OT:

I am sure this his been posted, but it’s worth another look. Here are the faces of the Hutaree. Christian Soldiers! I’m pretty sure Jesus is mumbling “No, no, no, no, no. Not in My name…”

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

331 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:09:55pm

re: #326 brookly red

OK, pizza or sushi?

Pineapple, pizza-sushi.

/

332 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:10:17pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Donald N. Frey, Designer of the Mustang, Dies at 86
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: March 28, 2010

He designed one of America’s truly great cars. He had a full life, and brought enjoyment to millions. RIP

333 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:10:32pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Anchovy pizza. Dems always compromise.

unless they are in power…

334 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:11:09pm

re: #331 Gus 802

Pineapple, pizza-sushi.

/

Works for me.

//

And I can remember when people didn’t die of food poisoning after eating Skippy peanut butter!

335 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:11:23pm

re: #321 brookly red

but yet you choose to stay :)

But yet I chose to stay where?

336 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:11:40pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

it’s gonna be really wild, and probably really ugly.

Definitely. It got wild and ugly back in 2006 when the gop introduced a reform bill co-sponsored by Graham, McCain and other Repubs.

At that point Bush was in the WH and gop controlled Congress—and the far right still exploded. Now that the Dems control Congress and we have a “foreigner” as president, do you think the anti-immigration crowd will be more or less extreme?

337 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:11:42pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

He designed one of America’s truly great cars. He had a full life, and brought enjoyment to millions. RIP

He sure did. I liked this last part in the obit:

At his death Mr. Frey owned an original Mustang, his son Christopher said, adding that he liked to drive it fast.

338 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:12:08pm

re: #335 Cato the Elder

How did the Dog Story turn out?

339 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:12:15pm

re: #326 brookly red

OK, pizza or sushi?

I don’t do invertebrates. Except shrimp. I like shrimp.

340 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:12:31pm

For those who are observant: Happy Pesach!

341 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:12:49pm

Towercam! the burnt over cañyons of the San Gabriel Mountains of California, with a defining sun angle.

Anyway, you cannot be an effective president of the whole country if you make remarks denigrating groups in the country. So I think. And I think we are seeing some results of this. It is not all caused by it.

342 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:13:05pm

re: #325 ryannon

Now we’re really fucked.

I dunno, the new one is pretty badass :D

343 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:13:34pm

re: #330 austin_blue

OT:

I am sure this his been posted, but it’s worth another look. Here are the faces of the Hutaree. Christian Soldiers! I’m pretty sure Jesus is mumbling “No, no, no, no, no. Not in My name…”

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

The one with the mullet looks almost normal, until you gaze into those too-closely-spaced eyes…

344 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:14:00pm

re: #341 Ojoe

I think it is reprehensible for you to imply that Obama has caused any of this by virtue of a couple fumbling remarks.

345 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:14:33pm

re: #343 Cato the Elder

The one with the mullet looks almost normal, until you gaze into those too-closely-spaced eyes…

Yeah, that’s one bitchin’ Kentucky Waterfall.

346 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:14:50pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Donald N. Frey, Designer of the Mustang, Dies at 86
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: March 28, 2010

Mustang Sally

347 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:14:56pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Towercam! the burnt over cañyons of the San Gabriel Mountains of California, with a defining sun angle.

Anyway, you cannot be an effective president of the whole country if you make remarks denigrating groups in the country. So I think. And I think we are seeing some results of this. It is not all caused by it.

Those canyons don’t look good. Will there be new growth before the topsoil washes away?

348 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:14:58pm

re: #280 Obdicut

Have you taken the Harvard Implicit Association test in regards to race?

[Link: implicit.harvard.edu…]

It’s a test that tells whether we associate negative or positive words with a particular race. The general statistics finds that far more people associate positive words with white people, and negative words with black people. This is true among blacks as well as whites, interestingly enough.

Implicit reaction has very little to do with actual actions. As long as you’re a conscious being, you can adjust your actual judgments and thoughts, and not be tied to your initial reactions. We’re humans; we’re cool at doing that.

It’s an interesting test. I probably would have asked all the personal questions AFTER the testing. No way to bias the result by knowing the ethnicity of the test taker. Probably not biased now, but having the personal info done afterwards would make it more certain.

And you’re right about actions mattering.

349 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:15:29pm

re: #340 eclectic infidel

For those who are observant: Happy Pesach!

uh-oh no pizza or sushi :(

maybe Thia …

350 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:15:29pm

re: #336 palomino

Definitely. It got wild and ugly back in 2006 when the gop introduced a reform bill co-sponsored by Graham, McCain and other Repubs.

At that point Bush was in the WH and gop controlled Congress—and the far right still exploded. Now that the Dems control Congress and we have a “foreigner” as president, do you think the anti-immigration crowd will be more or less extreme?

Resentment over immigration picked up steam during the Clinton administration, when he “streamlined” the INS paperwork. Many onlookers thought he was flooding the country with immigrants in order to create millions of “instant Democrats”.

351 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:15:43pm

As a first-born gentile, I could crack a joke about how certain Chosen People can suck it, but I won’t…too much class, but not by much, just a little too much. Happy Passover!

352 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:16:17pm

re: #344 Obdicut

I think it is reprehensible for you to imply that Obama has caused any of this by virtue of a couple fumbling remarks.

You actually gleaned meaning from that ungrammatical paragraph?

My hat is off to you. All I saw there was gibberish.

353 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:16:38pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Anyway, you cannot be an effective president of the whole country if you make remarks denigrating groups in the country. So I think. And I think we are seeing some results of this. It is not all caused by it.

Then it is a good thing that John McCain and Sarah Palin did not win with all their “real Americans” BS.
/

How would you respond if someone ask you why some people in some areas of the country vote against their own best self interest.
I know what I would say….

354 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:19:24pm

re: #348 alexknyc

It’s a very interesting test. I’ll be very interested to see how quickly that association dies away.

There is pretty much no way to bias the test anyway, since it involves reflexive actions and judgment. Their methodology is superb.

One thing that I thought of as an explanation for its results, particularly in that black people tend to share a negative association with black faces, is that we associate negatives with blacks not just as an aspect of them, but an aspect on them— that the negative might apply to their situation, not to them.

But anyway, it’s a good wake-up call to realize that we all do operate under a very implicit framework of assumptions, and it could hardly be otherwise. It doesn’t mean anything about whether we’re racist or not. It does mean that institutional and unintentional racism has a good explanation.

355 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:19:40pm

re: #320 WindUpBird

I am responding to what you said. I responded multiple times. I honestly cannot see where you’re coming from. At BEST you’re inflating an awkward turn of phrase in a very candid speech about race, and you’re blowing up one little bit of it into some huge deal and using that to assert that the president is racist. It makes very little sense to me.

That’s exactly what I’m reading from you, no strawman, no sillyness, just telling it to you straight. i don’t get where you’re coming from at all, except maybe that you’re incredibly sensitive to white guys in flyover states being picked on.

Please show me where I called the president a racist. I don’t happen to believe he is.

But you go right on “responding to what (I’ve) said.”

356 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:19:42pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Towercam! the burnt over cañyons of the San Gabriel Mountains of California, with a defining sun angle.

Anyway, you cannot be an effective president of the whole country if you make remarks denigrating groups in the country. So I think. And I think we are seeing some results of this. It is not all caused by it.


yes, I know you desperately, fervently want your Obama-is-racist meme to stick, but the only people who believe that are those guys waving signs at Sarah palin rallies and screaming at Parkinson’s victims. it’s not true, it’s foolish and wingnutty of you believe it, and that’s pretty much it. Blind partisanship, it’s dull, man. it’s tired. Obama’s not a racist, he’s not causing this. at all. In any way. Period.

We now return you to Ojoe’s talking points, and I dunno, something about wigs

357 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:20:48pm

re: #345 austin_blue

Yeah, that’s one bitchin’ Kentucky Waterfall.

And the one on the top right has the John Malkovich stare down pat.

358 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:21:06pm

re: #344 Obdicut

Not at all. A leader has responsibilities that are greater than the responsibilities of most others, and his words count in more ways that the words of others, and his words and actions are watched for clues on how to behave;

and I really think that there has been much damage from some words.

I am not excusing any craziness.

But I can see how some things work out.

359 Jerk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:21:18pm

Just want to say that I love the way the slideshow is coded, how the arrow keys, spacebar, and escape buttons work. I don’t know if this is standard (and I’m just catching up), but it is great!

360 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:21:49pm

re: #353 webevintage

I cannot stand either main party.

361 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:21:56pm

re: #355 alexknyc

Please show me where I called the president a racist. I don’t happen to believe he is.

But you go right on “responding to what (I’ve) said.”

No, you’re just very very concerned about his remarks. You’re just saying he made unacceptable racial remarks. Like here:

Please show me the context in which racial remarks like that are acceptable from anyone

So come on. Please. We know why you’re advancing this stuff. We know. We’re not stupid, man. :)

362 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:22:25pm

re: #358 Ojoe

I think the connection exists in your own mind. Anyone who legitimizes their actions from a response to those words was already rather far gone along that path.

Obama gave a very, very good speech about race in this country.

363 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:23:14pm

re: #356 WindUpBird

yes, I know you desperately, fervently want your Obama-is-racist meme to stick, but the only people who believe that are those guys waving signs at Sarah palin rallies and screaming at Parkinson’s victims. it’s not true, it’s foolish and wingnutty of you believe it, and that’s pretty much it. Blind partisanship, it’s dull, man. it’s tired. Obama’s not a racist, he’s not causing this. at all. In any way. Period.

We now return you to Ojoe’s talking points, and I dunno, something about wigs

how does denigrating groups work out to racist? unless of course that is the default setting.

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:23:19pm

re: #358 Ojoe

Not at all. A leader has responsibilities that are greater than the responsibilities of most others, and his words count in more ways that the words of others, and his words and actions are watched for clues on how to behave;

and I really think that there has been much damage from some words.

I am not excusing any craziness.

But I can see how some things work out.

This is so very very weak

365 rwdflynavy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:24:01pm

re: #298 Obdicut

I share those feelings. I think a lot of people who have been fucked over continually, economically and politically, are clinging to guns, religion, and other issues.

Oh, by the way, you probably consider me a ‘liberal’ and I’m moving to NYC in June. Isn’t that swell?

I think there is a real disconnect here that you share with our president. Many folks enjoy shooting, hunting and their faith. They aren’t “clinging” to these things, they are parts of their life that are important to them.

366 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:24:18pm

re: #358 Ojoe

For those of us who didn’t catch it before, what racist Obama statements are you referencing?

367 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:24:22pm

re: #362 Obdicut

Yes he gave a good speech.

Some people will not remember the speech, but they will remember the other words. An effective leader cannot indulge in those other words.

368 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:25:35pm

re: #366 palomino

“Typical white person.”

“Bitter.”

“Clinging to guns and religion.”

369 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:25:41pm

re: #361 WindUpBird

So come on. Please. We know why you’re advancing this stuff. We know. We’re not stupid, man. :)

So am I right to draw the conclusion that you believe racially divisive remarks are acceptable depending on the race of the speaker and the race of the people being spoken about?

On the other hand, I’m of the opinion that racially divisive remarks are never acceptable.

So, please now enlighten me on why I’m “advancing this stuff.” I could do with the laugh.

370 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:25:44pm

re: #358 Ojoe

Not at all. A leader has responsibilities that are greater than the responsibilities of most others, and his words count in more ways that the words of others, and his words and actions are watched for clues on how to behave;

and I really think that there has been much damage from some words.

I am not excusing any craziness.

But I can see how some things work out.

Always that little word “but” that says so much more than the rest of the post.

re: #360 Ojoe

I cannot stand either main party.

And I’m getting mighty sick of Whigs, solely based on knowing you.

371 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:26:27pm

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Oh well

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:26:58pm

re: #363 brookly red

how does denigrating groups work out to racist? unless of course that is the default setting.

We know what’s going on here, we know how it works. Ojoe is trying to pin some blame on Obama, saying he’s inflaming rhetoric, so is alexk, so do a lot of people. Walking up to the line, then pulling back a bit and then acting innocent as you repeat the foolish meme, the foolish, desperate talking point. You’re just so very concerned.

it’s a talking point, we see right through it. No argument, really, just A Thing Obama Said Years Ago I Suddenly Very Important and Demands Much Further Attention. And we will beat it like a gong forever!

I’m not dumb, please don’t treat me like I’m dumb. :)

373 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:27:21pm

re: #365 rwdflynavy

I’m saying that they’re important to them. I’m not sure why the word ‘cling’ has such a negative association here.

In times of trouble, my ancestors, bitter, clung to their religion too. Not so much the guns, but if they’d been allowed to bear arms they’d have clung to them too.

It seems to me that people taking a negative rather than a compassionate reading are assuming a contempt or disdain in the first place, rather than an actual attempt at empathy.

People who have been fucked over continually often have their religion as one of their sole sources of solace and strength. It’s really not a controversial statement. It’s not a racial statement, either, since it’s very true across a broad group of races.

374 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:27:35pm

re: #367 Ojoe

Yes he gave a good speech.

Some people will not remember the speech, but they will remember the other words. An effective leader cannot indulge in those other words.

You’re so painfully concerned.

So very very VERY concerned about those words which reverberate through time and space and affect everything everywhere for all time

375 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:28:07pm

re: #373 Obdicut

The word cling is really what’s being clung to :D

376 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:28:26pm

re: #369 alexknyc

So am I right to draw the conclusion that you believe racially divisive remarks are acceptable depending on the race of the speaker and the race of the people being spoken about?

What an enormous strawman you’ve constructed. May I watch you beat it?

377 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:28:46pm

re: #371 Ojoe

Oh well

Watch out, Ojoe. Cato can and will mock you quite effectively in verse. You don’t want him as an enemy.

378 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:29:08pm

Good thing I don’t know any typical bitter white people clinging to guns and religion.

Wait…what? Are people here saying that Obama’s remarks may have caused the Hutarees to lose it?

Huh.

379 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:29:22pm

New thread - before you kill one other over one damn thing or another….

380 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:30:11pm

re: #372 WindUpBird

We know what’s going on here, we know how it works. Ojoe is trying to pin some blame on Obama, saying he’s inflaming rhetoric, so is alexk, so do a lot of people. Walking up to the line, then pulling back a bit and then acting innocent as you repeat the foolish meme, the foolish, desperate talking point. You’re just so very concerned.

it’s a talking point, we see right through it. No argument, really, just A Thing Obama Said Years Ago I Suddenly Very Important and Demands Much Further Attention. And we will beat it like a gong forever!

I’m not dumb, please don’t treat me like I’m dumb. :)

well if it isn’t inflaming why are so many of the people he described so pissed off? just asking.

381 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:30:25pm

re: #379 ryannon

one another

382 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:30:49pm

re: #365 rwdflynavy

I think there is a real disconnect here that you share with our president. Many folks enjoy shooting, hunting and their faith. They aren’t “clinging” to these things, they are parts of their life that are important to them.

I cling to doom metal, it’s gotten me through some tough times. So has my gaming group, so have my cats.

This is so being ginned up, it’s like one awkward word that is being treated as this rosetta stone of Obama’s damaging rhetoric.

I look forward to another 6 years of Obama’s words being parsed to the molecular level to find all his secret feelings!

383 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:30:56pm

re: #372 WindUpBird

We know what’s going on here, we know how it works. Ojoe is trying to pin some blame on Obama, saying he’s inflaming rhetoric, so is alexk, so do a lot of people. Walking up to the line, then pulling back a bit and then acting innocent as you repeat the foolish meme, the foolish, desperate talking point. You’re just so very concerned.

I’d really prefer it if you didn’t put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard) and that you stop assigning me motives I don’t have.

The only inflammatory rhetoric I’m hearing these days is from the lunatic fringe on the right and, frankly, the mainstream GOP should be ashamed of themselves for not running away from them as fast as possible.

384 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:31:12pm

re: #368 Ojoe

“Typical white person.”

“Bitter.”

“Clinging to guns and religion.”

So you’re re-litigating the 2008 election?

OK, that’s your evidence. On the other side is the totality of his actions and statements during his entire life. I’ll go with the latter.

385 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:31:26pm

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Good thing I don’t know any typical bitter white people clinging to guns and religion.

Wait…what? Are people here saying that Obama’s remarks may have caused the Hutarees to lose it?

Huh.

I can’t even begin to understand.

386 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:32:10pm

re: #385 WindUpBird

I can’t even begin to understand.

well you said it not me.

387 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:33:00pm

“I know I may not LOOK like the other Presidents on the dollar bill….”

388 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:33:23pm

re: #368 Ojoe

“Typical white person.”

“Bitter.”

“Clinging to guns and religion.”

Yeah, and?

Is that all you got?

You don’t think people in flyover states who are losing their jobs and watching entire economies die and towns die with them, you don’t think they’re bitter?

Maybe it was politically a bit hairy of him to say it, but that doesn’t mean there;s not truth to it.

389 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:33:33pm

For the record, I’m Republican, White, bitter, religious, have a rifle, and I like Barack Obama.

390 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:33:48pm

re: #383 alexknyc

It is a little baffling that you want to fight this old, tired, hashed-out point all over again. I rather thought we’d seen the back of it. And Obama delivered an excellent speech about race.

391 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:33:58pm

re: #387 TheMatrix31

“I know I may not LOOK like the other Presidents on the dollar bill…”

hahah I loved that line

OBAMA CAN’T ACKNOWLEDGE HE’S BLACK THAT’S LIKE BAD OR SOMETHING

392 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:34:19pm

re: #367 Ojoe

Yes he gave a good speech.

Some people will not remember the speech, but they will remember the other words. An effective leader cannot indulge in those other words.

Is that kinda like the “moron in a hurry” test?

393 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:34:41pm

re: #338 ryannon

How did the Dog Story turn out?

Bobby made it to the animal shelter, and will be off “hold” (i.e. available for adoption) starting April 1. I’ll keep you posted.

They say he’s about five years old, by the way, in good health, and his breed is a mix of Smooth Collie and something else.

394 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:34:48pm

re: #387 TheMatrix31

“I know I may not LOOK like the other Presidents on the dollar bill…”

Oooh, shockingly racist.

////////////////////////////

395 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:35:00pm

Office supplies, anyone? I’m Irish…I like to drink. But $59,000 at “Congresssional Liquors” is a bit much even by my standards.

396 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:35:25pm

re: #386 brookly red

well you said it not me.

Feel free to explain to me how Hutaree was partially caused by Obama’s remarks. :)

397 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:35:41pm

re: #388 WindUpBird

Yeah, and?

Is that all you got?

You don’t think people in flyover states who are losing their jobs and watching entire economies die and towns die with them, you don’t think they’re bitter?

Maybe it was politically a bit hairy of him to say it, but that doesn’t mean there;s not truth to it.

So then why’d he say it 2000 miles away at a forum he believed wasn’t open to the press?

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:35:55pm

re: #394 palomino

Oooh, shockingly racist.

///

That mean old Obama!

399 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:36:08pm

re: #396 WindUpBird

Feel free to explain to me how Hutaree was partially caused by Obama’s remarks. :)


They didn’t have to exist when the President was white.

400 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:36:22pm

re: #397 alexknyc

So then why’d he say it 2000 miles away at a forum he believed wasn’t open to the press?

Feel free to ask him :D

401 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:36:31pm

The point of contention is…..who GIVES a fuck what he looks like? Why mention it at all? WHO GIVES A SHIT.

402 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:36:32pm

re: #391 WindUpBird

hahah I loved that line

OBAMA CAN’T ACKNOWLEDGE HE’S BLACK THAT’S LIKE BAD OR SOMETHING

Don’t you see? It’s “divisive” when he admits he’s black.

403 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:37:01pm

re: #399 darthstar

They didn’t have to exist when the President was white.

hahahahahaha

Well, to be fair, I think they’re to some extent terrified of all Democratic presidents. OMG CLINTON

404 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:37:52pm

re: #402 palomino

Don’t you see? It’s “divisive” when he admits he’s black.

Obama: “I know I look EXACTLY LIKE JOHNNY UNITAS…”

405 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:38:06pm

re: #397 alexknyc

So then why’d he say it 2000 miles away at a forum he believed wasn’t open to the press?

Ummmm, because someone ask him why some people vote for Republican pols who do not give a shit about them and actively work to get rid of the programs that help those people live better lives.
I think Obama had recently read “What About Kansas”.

406 theheat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:39:40pm

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Even without the crazy religious militia connections, they all look inbred, slack jawed, dumb as fuck, and corn fed. Their necks and heads are all the same width, and resemble something you’d find staring at you in the meat case at the supermarket. Like an experiment gone terribly wrong.

407 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:39:45pm

re: #399 darthstar

They didn’t have to exist when the President was white.

Militia nutcases existed before Obama and will flock together again when another President of any political affiliation or of any race is in the White House.

408 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:40:46pm

re: #407 Silvergirl

Militia nutcases existed before Obama and will flock together again when another President of any political affiliation or of any race is in the White House.

I think the internet has made it easier for them to find like-minded nutcases.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:40:48pm

re: #383 alexknyc

I’d really prefer it if you didn’t put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard) and that you stop assigning me motives I don’t have.

The only inflammatory rhetoric I’m hearing these days is from the lunatic fringe on the right and, frankly, the mainstream GOP should be ashamed of themselves for not running away from them as fast as possible.

You’re still perpetuating this meme that Obama’s race speech was in in any way damaging. It is not. Its words were taken apart and made into republican talking points, which reverberate to this day. Not the words, the talking points made OUt of the words.

410 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:42:35pm
411 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:42:37pm

re: #401 TheMatrix31

The point of contention is…who GIVES a fuck what he looks like? Why mention it at all? WHO GIVES A SHIT.

He mentioned it in response to the scare tactics coming from the far right at the time…stuff like Obama is a risky, radical and not fully American.

In that context, his remark is hardly race-obsessed and certainly not denigrating to whites.

412 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:42:50pm

re: #407 Silvergirl

Militia nutcases existed before Obama and will flock together again when another President of any political affiliation or of any race is in the White House.

Militia activity has gone WAY up during Obama, just like it went way up during Clinton. They existed before Obama, they just start to actually get fired up and do bad things when he became president nd all the apocalyptic rhetoric about him came out.

I mean, socialist? Communist? Muslim? Foreigner? Islamist? Antichrist? Take your pick. These guys are freaked out.

413 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:43:02pm

re: #397 alexknyc

So then why’d he say it 2000 miles away at a forum he believed wasn’t open to the press?

Because America can’t handle the fucking truth!

Nothing but “we’re Number One!” slogans for the number-one dumb-ass country in the world - or else white dumb-asses who up till now have been able to cling to the notion that they’re at least not n***rs will riot.

Is that what we’re cobbling together here? The “You Never ‘Splained to Me That I’m Really a Hopeless Dumb-Ass” defense?

414 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:43:04pm

re: #393 Cato the Elder

Bobby made it to the animal shelter, and will be off “hold” (i.e. available for adoption) starting April 1. I’ll keep you posted.

They say he’s about five years old, by the way, in good health, and his breed is a mix of Smooth Collie and something else.


Good man, Cato.

My compliments.

415 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:43:26pm

re: #411 palomino

lol, ok

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:43:55pm

re: #401 TheMatrix31

The point of contention is…who GIVES a fuck what he looks like? Why mention it at all? WHO GIVES A SHIT.

If you don’t understand the titanic historical significance of a black man being elected president, regardless of your political views, then I seriously have no idea where you’re coming from.

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:45:09pm

re: #415 TheMatrix31

lol, ok

Palomino is telling the absolute truth, and you just have no answer.

418 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:45:32pm

re: #409 WindUpBird

You’re still perpetuating this meme that Obama’s race speech was in in any way damaging. It is not. Its words were taken apart and made into republican talking points, which reverberate to this day. Not the words, the talking points made OUt of the words.

Like I said, the “moron in a hurry” thing.

419 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:46:32pm

re: #416 WindUpBird

I understand the significance, but I don’t give a shit about it.

I care about how he governs. Who gives a shit if he’s black, white, red, Armenian, Swedish, Mexican, hairy, Aussie, Japanese?

420 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:46:59pm

re: #409 WindUpBird

You’re still perpetuating this meme that Obama’s race speech was in in any way damaging. It is not. Its words were taken apart and made into republican talking points, which reverberate to this day. Not the words, the talking points made OUt of the words.

I had no problem with the race speech. My problem was the remark about working-class whites in PA made to a room of San Francisco fundraisers.

But I’m sure you’ll be willing to give the same benefit of the doubt to the next GOP politician who makes a similar gaffe about a different ethnic group.

421 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:47:11pm

re: #408 alexknyc

I think the internet has made it easier for them to find like-minded nutcases.

yeah, it doesn’t cause this shit, but it certainly facilitates it.

422 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:48:25pm

re: #421 palomino

yeah, it doesn’t cause this shit, but it certainly facilitates it.


It certainly helps the justice dept. when the social networking sites provide a handy dandy “friend list” too.

423 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:49:12pm

re: #419 TheMatrix31

I understand the significance, but I don’t give a shit about it.

I care about how he governs. Who gives a shit if he’s black, white, red, Armenian, Swedish, Mexican, hairy, Aussie, Japanese?

People who realize that Jackie Robinson, Thurgood Marshall, Colin Powell and many others represent a huge step forward for a country whose history is awash with racially motivated bloodletting.

424 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:50:19pm

I guess I just try to look past color and race in my own way, by not caring about it at all.

425 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:50:50pm

re: #422 Stanley Sea

It certainly helps the justice dept. when the social networking sites provide a handy dandy “friend list” too.

If Eliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford and Tiger Woods are dumb enough to give themselves away electronically, I don’t think the militias of MI or any other state will outsmart anybody.

426 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:51:48pm

re: #424 TheMatrix31

You should take the Harvard implicit association test I linked above. It’s very interesting.

427 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:52:00pm

re: #424 TheMatrix31

I guess I just try to look past color and race in my own way, by not caring about it at all.

You and Steven Colbert.
;-)

428 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:52:15pm

re: #424 TheMatrix31

I guess I just try to look past color and race in my own way, by not caring about it at all.

That’s great, indeed it should become the ideal we work towards.

But a few iffy statements by Obama don’t make him Pat Buchanan.

429 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:52:34pm

re: #413 Cato the Elder

Because America can’t handle the fucking truth!

Nothing but “we’re Number One!” slogans for the number-one dumb-ass country in the world - or else white dumb-asses who up till now have been able to cling to the notion that they’re at least not n***rs will riot.

Is that what we’re cobbling together here? The “You Never ‘Splained to Me That I’m Really a Hopeless Dumb-Ass” defense?

That certainly seems to be what you’re cobbling together.

Feel free to continue proving my point about the way the people Obama was talking about are viewed.

430 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:53:34pm

BTW, in case anyone does not know what “moron in a hurry” refers too:

In the US, courts have long adopted a “moron in a hurry” test for dealing with issues of trademark confusion. Would a moron, hurrying home at the end of a long day and seeing the offending sign/billboard/website, likely confuse it with an official offering of the trademark holder?

[Link: arstechnica.com…]

431 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:54:45pm

re: #430 webevintage

BTW, in case anyone does not know what “moron in a hurry” refers too:

In the US, courts have long adopted a “moron in a hurry” test for dealing with issues of trademark confusion. Would a moron, hurrying home at the end of a long day and seeing the offending sign/billboard/website, likely confuse it with an official offering of the trademark holder?

[Link: arstechnica.com…]

Do you have a link to the decision? I’d love to read that one.

432 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:57:04pm

re: #429 alexknyc

That certainly seems to be what you’re cobbling together.

Feel free to continue proving my point about the way the people Obama was talking about are viewed.

There are plenty of people who are that way. How would you prefer them to be viewed?

433 alexknyc  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:00:09pm

re: #432 Cato the Elder

There are plenty of people who are that way. How would you prefer them to be viewed?

What’s it called when you take the worst elements of a group and assign them to all members of that group?

I think I’d prefer those people who aren’t that way not be lumped in together with those who are. Apparently, you think otherwise.

That’s OK. It’s a free country.

434 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:06:18pm

re: #397 alexknyc

Oh, he’d love to have their votes, bit when he thinks they can’t hear, he’ll disrespect them.

This is not the mark of a real leader.

& Cato, look at all the divisiveness in the country, happening on Obama’s watch. Have you seen the like?

IMHO the guy is a disaster as a leader.

435 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:13:14pm

re: #434 Ojoe

Oh, he’d love to have their votes, bit when he thinks they can’t hear, he’ll disrespect them.

This is not the mark of a real leader.

& Cato, look at all the divisiveness in the country, happening on Obama’s watch. Have you seen the like?

IMHO the guy is a disaster as a leader.

We’ve all seen this kind of divisiveness. Remember the Bush years? The divisiveness was comparable then, and it certainly wasn’t all Bush’s fault.

Did you think Obama would wave a magic wand and end all cultural strife? And the racism at tea parties is somehow his fault? You’re blaming the victim here.

436 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:18:24pm

re: #434 Ojoe

Obama’s entire schtick is that it’s “all americans in it together”……… selfish pricks don’t like hearing that and call it communism - said pricks then go off and do stupid things in the desert.

437 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:20:10pm

re: #429 alexknyc

Which bunch are you referring to?

the whiney ass sore losers who want to rerun a convincing electoral win for the Democratic candidate by running Palin/BEck ‘10??????

438 ~Fianna  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:39:01pm

re: #263 JasonA

67 defense finance workers to lose jobs over personal debt

Six grand? SIX? Yeah, sometimes I agree with you guys who think our gov’t is grade A stupid and can’t do anything right.

That’s common in financial positions in the private sector.

I think 6k is a little low, but I can understand why people with access to sensitive identifying information and financial records could be considered a risk if they’re in debt that’s out of line with their income.

439 ~Fianna  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:41:29pm

re: #401 TheMatrix31

The point of contention is…who GIVES a fuck what he looks like? Why mention it at all? WHO GIVES A SHIT.

Unfortunately, a lot of people.

440 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:49:08pm

re: #436 wozzablog

The problem is that it is not so un-compromised a message, Obama’s sthick, as you make out.

441 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 6:58:30pm

re: #434 Ojoe

Cato, look at all the divisiveness in the country, happening on Obama’s watch..

I am sure this line of reasoning would have gone over REALLY well here about 5 years ago when there was more than just a little bit of divisiveness going on under George W. Bush’s watch.

442 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 7:00:05pm

re: #441 bratwurst

The guy who lost the popular vote and then made out like he was king of the universe for 4 years while still promising to be a uniter?……….. that Bush?

Well, he did unite about 82% of the country into thinking he did a crumby job.

443 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 7:02:19pm

re: #442 wozzablog

Note that I said 5 years ago…by 2006 there wasn’t much division of opinion at all. ;)

444 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 7:05:54pm

re: #443 bratwurst

i said 4 years, as he won (if you don’t count what they didn’t count in Ohio)…… a majority in 2004 and was given free reign to be unpopular on his own mandate.

445 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 7:26:07pm

re: #441 bratwurst

It was no good under Bush either.

And also a lot of this rotten result is due to the 2 party system.

446 anand  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 7:34:40pm

nice lightbox effect.

447 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 7:48:08pm

re: #88 Obdicut

I have seen more and more “don’t call me an American, I’m a (Texan/Alaskan)” shirts.

Those idiots can get bent. My family’s been here in Texas since before the U.S. was independent of Britain and I *still* consider myself an American first. The “Native Texan” thing is fun, and I’m all for Texan kitsch, but at the end of the day, it’s not where my citizenship lies.

re: #145 keloyd

Credit where it’s due, the bumper stickers were funny, and every group that’s out of power has used Jefferson quotes for 200 years.

Except for the State Board of Education here, who are trying to erase Jefferson from the history books because they’re a bunch of narrow-minded douchebags who can’t handle anyone disagreeing with their worldview. =P

448 flagpony  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 9:02:15pm

Ramblings from an ordinary American…….I walked the Freedom Trail in Boston on Saturday in sub 30 temp this weekend and walked all 294 steps to the top of the Bunker Hill Monument. I’m not sure if it was the windchill, or the Sam Adams I had that day (while looking at Sam Adams gravesite!), but that trail, the history illustrated the stark contrast between principles of founding of this country, and the direction that this and previous administrations have taken us. I have been so frustrated about how the process of passing this healthcare ‘reform’ has negatively impacted our freedom/way of governing in this country. This, along with my concern as a physical therapist about the actual decline in care that awaits my parents, myself, my loved ones and all americans (including the lizard army) as a result of this legislation, is quite troubling to me. All of this has me more in agreement with the likes of the tea party. Sure, there are some real idiots, probably some racists and quite a few nincampoops in that crowd, but tjey pale in comparison to the moonbats on the other side and what they stand for. There is a struggle for freedom in this country and though it’s non violent(as it should be!!!) I think there needs to be more Jeffersons, More Glen Becks, More Sarah Palins, more Scott Browns, and a whole hell of a lot less Pelosi’s Reid’s and Obama’s in this world! So let’s get rid of these idiots at the ballot box, repeal this monstrosity of a bill and start from the ground up my consulting with the actual healthcare community, americans and get some real reform done! - sorry for the random thoughts, but obama just sucks and I had to get that off my chest. Now who’s buying the next round of Sams!
- Dave

449 Meridian  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 9:56:09pm

Yeah there are some real yokels in some of these crowds. Tasteless to be sure. Something I didn’t see in these or other tea party pics is pepper spray from riot control, overturned burning cars, throwing blood, smashed windows you know the typical lefty routine. So I guess its okay to hurt someone just don’t hurt their feelings.

450 BaseballMom57  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:13:00pm

re: #75 CyanSnowHawk

When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.

When our flag starts to fray, we always take it down to the local VFW. Just as this code mandates, they take them in and burn them during a special ceremony. When I first started taking our flags there, the gentleman at the Lodge seemed quite surprised that I (as someone quite a bit younger than he) would even be aware of their care for the flag. I explained I was the daughter of a Navy officer, and he brightened a bit and thanked me. It made me think that not many people take their flags there….

451 BaseballMom57  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:37:32pm

re: #301 CyanSnowHawk

Upding for the classic Ray Stevens reference!

452 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:38:44pm

re: #322 Obdicut

Me. I did. I can’t take your criticisms seriously. I’m not saying other people can’t, I’m saying I can’t. Or don’t. I’m not sure why that’s patronizing.

I have not seen nearly as many accusations of someone being racist or a hater as I have protestations from people that they’re accused of being racist or a hater.

Your “point” was horse shit. YOU don’t care about what was said just a few months ago, but I do. Howard Dean had a few classics in the “hater” category. Payback can be a bitch, and if the Dems can’t stand the heat, I doubt they’ll handle the irans of the world much better. Your side seems to have little sense of history, even recent history. And when your orthodoxies are challenged, you can’t handle it. And now that you have informed me that you can’t take me seriously, you are obligated to never again respond to my posts. If that is your decision, I respect it.

453 middy  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:59:39am

Good job on the slideshow feature, Charles! Works like a charm… unlike some other websites I could mention….

454 spbaker90  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 7:21:26am

re: #153 The Sanity Inspector

Reminds of something Darrell Waltrip said a few years ago when people were complaining that foreign cars didn’t belong in NASCAR…

“Don’t forget: the Camry is the only car of the four [Camry, Fusion, Monte Carlo and Charger] that’s built in America. The Monte Carlo and Dodge are built in Canada and the Ford is built in Mexico. There are seven thousand people in Georgetown, Kentucky who build over three hundred thousand Camrys a year.”
[Link: www.thetruthaboutcars.com…]

455 spbaker90  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 7:24:56am

re: #450 BaseballMom57

Our library has a VFW box at the front door for dropping off old flags.

456 Bulldoglover100  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:30:41am

re: #448 flagpony

Spoken like a true uneducated wing nut unable to deal with reality

457 Bulldoglover100  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:32:18am

re: #445 Ojoe

Not only some of it being “due to Bush” but imagine how different things would be right now if Bush had not put us over a trillion in debt from the surrplus he started with 8 years ago.

458 dr. luba  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:37:13am

re: #86 recusancy

He also says the the Apocalypse happened last year. So yeah.

As well as threatening Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the pig who played Babe…..He’s no bigot, he’s a fair and balanced whacko.

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:14:52am

re: #291 alexknyc

His speech and where he made it show a mindset I see very often here in NYC. Working-class whites in “flyover country” are less “enlightened” by virtue of being working-class whites who live in “flyover country.”

I can’t speak for you but I see that as divisive.

I know this thread is dead, but after the campaign Palin ran, I have no sympathy for the ‘flyover country people are called hicks’ meme. It was kicked to death by the ‘coastal elites hate America’ meme.


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