Nut Who Threatened Cantor Also Threatened Obama

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It’s amazing how many people are sending me hate mail about Norman Leboon, the wacko who was arrested for threatening Republican Rep. Eric Cantor, saying that I’m supposed to “retract” something. Well, sorry to disappoint you, anonymous haters, but I’m not retracting anything.

Norman Leboon is not a left winger or a right winger. Like Joe Stack, who crashed his airplane into a federal building recently, Leboon is a deranged, disgruntled nutcase. Political ideology had absolutely nothing to do with his threats against Cantor. Leboon’s antipathy toward Cantor seems to stem from pure antisemitism more than anything else.

And by the way, Leboon also threatened Barack Obama a year ago.

The pathetic desperation of the wingnut community is almost palpable; they’re feverishly anxious to excuse their own bad behavior by finding an example of “left wing” threats. But this is one very obvious consequence of the current climate of crazy hyperbolic rhetoric coming from the right wing: it encourages and incites nuts like Leboon to start acting out their fantasies.

So go ahead and keep sending those hate mails, folks. They get exactly the consideration they deserve; i.e., none.

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294 comments
1 albusteve  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:05:25am

an equal opportunity threatener

2 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:06:03am

In support of your point here Charles is an excellent article on “Hatriots”. I think a perfect term has been coined here.
cnn.com

3 pingjockey  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:06:40am

Lunatics are lunatics.

4 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:08:19am

re: #3 pingjockey

Lunatics are lunatics.

Indeed. Thankfully, this latest one got caught before he did something nasty. Hopefully, he gets the help he needs but probably not.

5 pingjockey  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:08:43am

Did he threaten Obama after he was pres.? Didn’t catch the timeline.

6 okonkolo  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:08:57am

Speaking of lunatics, TPM has some Hutaree weddings photos gleaned from Facebook. Actually, no need to see them; you can probably imagine.

7 pingjockey  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:09:39am

re: #6 okonkolo
There are some links on the previous thread.

8 pingjockey  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:10:44am

BBIAW.

9 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:13:02am

“Crazy people do crazy things” ©

10 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:13:08am

Yes, but threatening Eric Cantor is illegal…and wrong. Threatening President Obama is “understandable release of tension due to one’s inability to cotton to the idea of the destruction of the fabric of America by a foreign born muslin satin worshipper”…
/? We’ll see if it’s sarc…or if the media reports on this little fact of the same asshole threatening the President.

11 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:13:10am

Well, I expect Charles will be getting some apologies any minute now.

Yup, should be rolling in soon.

Right around the bend.

Should be here shortly.

Shit.

12 okonkolo  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:14:25am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Ah, a good nutshell definition of hatriot. thanks.

13 teleskiguy  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:15:08am

Teh seekrit moslem kommunist prezidint iz part of teh NWO!! Repent sinners!
/

Glad some in law enforcement are taking Janet Napolitano’s memo about extremism seriously. And BTW, the right-wing attacks are much worse than anything the left-wing has done. And the chatter is scary, even amongst my own friends, some of whom believe that statement at the beginning of this comment. I wish people would just chill out.

14 okonkolo  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:15:30am

re: #7 pingjockey

Oops. Thanks, That’s what a get for judging a thread by its comic book cover.

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:15:33am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, I expect Charles will be getting some apologies any minute now.

Yup, should be rolling in soon.

Right around the bend.

Should be here shortly.

Shit.

The haters will just say that a “prog” does not deserve apologies, since only “Real Americans” can be wronged by “RAs”. Anyone else deserves whatever they get. (I exaggerate, but only slightly.)

16 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:16:00am

I’ll repost the photos

Hatriot wedding

17 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:16:46am

That guy is a reservoir of fucknuttery covered with ZOMG!TinFoilSauce and belongs to no political side except the “he can make a bullet fall where he wants to” gang.

He has issues with Babe The Pig God even….
And Cantor’s evil cupcake wife.

(The fact that his rantings are comic gold does not in anyway mean he is not dangerous or no one should pay attention to crazy man…after all The Son of Sam took his orders from a talking dog.)

18 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:17:05am

re: #5 pingjockey

Did he threaten Obama after he was pres.? Didn’t catch the timeline.

Last year…President Obama was elected in 2008. Last year was 2009.

19 Gus  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:19:30am

With deranged personalities like Leboon it’s next to impossible to pinpoint a political ideology. One could say it fits a bipolar model since they tend to vacillate wildly across the political sphere. The same could be said about his religious views since Leboon mixes a great deal of “interfaith” religious metaphors or quotes.

It’s quite obvious that Leboon will plead insanity. Or at least his defense attorney will.

20 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:20:31am

re: #13 teleskiguy

As long as you exclude all the riots maybe…

21 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:20:43am

re: #6 okonkolo

Speaking of lunatics, TPM has some Hutaree weddings photos gleaned from Facebook. Actually, no need to see them; you can probably imagine.

The blushing Hutaree bride’s FB page is here.

Auto-post to her page today from “My Daily Luck”, a popular Facebook app:

Here is your Luck of the Day
You are 90% lucky today. You can come back tomorrow to see your new luck!

LOL.

And here’s her final post before the bust:

Tina Kelley: I’m so stressed I could KILL someone!!!!!!!

Double LOL.

Thanks, FBI.

22 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:21:50am

BTW, Wonkette has quite a selection of Mr. Laboon’s best crazy talk.

YouTube: Making the Job of Law Enforcement Easier Since 2006

23 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:23:02am

re: #10 darthstar

Yes, but threatening Eric Cantor is illegal…and wrong. Threatening President Obama is “understandable release of tension due to one’s inability to cotton to the idea of the destruction of the fabric of America by a foreign born muslin satin worshipper”…
/? We’ll see if it’s sarc…or if the media reports on this little fact of the same asshole threatening the President.

What did you mean by the word “cotton?” Is that some sort of racist comment?

24 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:23:06am

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

The haters will just say that a “prog” does not deserve apologies, since only “Real Americans” can be wronged by “RAs”. Anyone else deserves whatever they get. (I exaggerate, but only slightly.)

I thought a “prog” was a time-traveling unit of currency that appeared and was spent before it was actually minted…

:)

25 albusteve  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:23:10am

re: #19 Gus 802

With deranged personalities like Leboon it’s next to impossible to pinpoint a political ideology. One could say it fits a bipolar model since they tend to vacillate wildly across the political sphere. The same could be said about his religious views since Leboon mixes a great deal of “interfaith” religious metaphors or quotes.

It’s quite obvious that Leboon will plead insanity. Or at least his defense attorney will.

who cares about political ideology?….never mind, stupid question

26 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:24:08am

Can’t play the vids at my location. Does he say why he threatened Obama after having donated to his Presidential campaign?

A good thing this guy was all talk, up til now.

27 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:24:27am

If only the right-wing crazies would threaten some Republicans, then I guess they would no longer be right-wing crazies…no, wait, that can’t be right.

28 Slap  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:04am

re: #24 oaktree

Prog?

PROG!!!!

29 Gus  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:15am

re: #25 albusteve

who cares about political ideology?…never mind, stupid question

Apparently the people sending emails to Charles. No? Perhaps I missed something in what Charles wrote:

Norman Leboon is not a left winger or a right winger. Like the guy who crashed his airplane into a federal building recently, Leboon is a deranged nutcase. Political ideology had absolutely nothing to do with his threats against Cantor. Leboon’s antipathy toward Cantor seems to stem from pure antisemitism more than anything else.

The pathetic desperation of the wingnut community is almost palpable; they’re feverishly anxious to excuse their own bad behavior by finding an example of “left wing” threats. But this is one very obvious consequence of the current climate of crazy hyperbolic rhetoric coming from the right wing: it encourages and incites nuts like Leboon to start acting out their fantasies.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:33am

re: #6 okonkolo

Speaking of lunatics, TPM has some Hutaree weddings photos gleaned from Facebook. Actually, no need to see them; you can probably imagine.

OMG.

One of the commenters comments: “What a beautiful bride, shining with love and extra ammo on her special day.”

31 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:36am

“Well, sorry to disappoint you, anonymous haters, but I’m not retracting anything.”

heheh That tickled the hellouta me.

Speaking of which, the classic station is playing some Twisted Sister.

32 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:48am

That there are an equal number of nutcases on the left as there are on the right is a given. The Church of the Whackjobs is open to all.

What distinguishes the recent crop of right wing whack jobs is the reality that they are willing to act out their insanity knowing that there will be those who will encourage, defend and apologize for their behavior.

ELF, PETA and others are as destructive as any other loon fringe group- even more so at times. Certainly the property damage and terror they have inflicted cannot be understated. Nevertheless, there are no loud voices defending the behavior these lunatics. There are no mainstream or wannabe political movements that espouse or apologize for the tactics and ideologies these groups espouse.

That is why right wing nut jobs are far more dangerous at the moment. It’s a two way street- someday another unrepentant bomb thrower on the left will make his debut and we’ll all rightly trash the fool.

CJ and LGF are wrongly taken to task for pointing out that reality when in fact, the right wing establishment ought to be at the fore in disengaging with these idiots.

There are plenty more substantive arguments that can be debated.

33 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:59am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Why would you think that, Walter? It’s a perfectly common idiom, meaning to start to like something.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:27:15am

re: #19 Gus 802

With deranged personalities like Leboon it’s next to impossible to pinpoint a political ideology. One could say it fits a bipolar model since they tend to vacillate wildly across the political sphere. The same could be said about his religious views since Leboon mixes a great deal of “interfaith” religious metaphors or quotes.

It’s quite obvious that Leboon will plead insanity. Or at least his defense attorney will.

I think it might be wise to accept that, and get the man into whatever kind of treatment is available for whatever is wrong with him.

35 Ericus58  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:27:24am

re: #32 researchok

Very well put, quite concur.

36 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:27:29am

re: #22 webevintage

BTW, Wonkette has quite a selection of Mr. Laboon’s best crazy talk.

YouTube: Making the Job of Law Enforcement Easier Since 2006

Awesome stuff there.

Others that Leboon has threatened:

Obama, David Duke, all federal court judges, and movie execs for the movie Babe:

That movie pig, that Babe, was created by Lucifer, because he was a disgusting pig. A greedy, fat pig. That’s all he was. He was a pig god.”


Here’s the video about Babe:

REMOVE THE MOVIE BABE OR I WILL BURN YOU!
also:

Leboon threatens federal judges: “You will all, as federal judges, lose your first born sons. You will lose your first born sons as you sleep. I did this to the Pharoah.”
37 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:27:41am

re: #32 researchok

Very, very, very well-said.

38 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:27:57am

re: #33 Obdicut

Why would you think that, Walter? It’s a perfectly common idiom, meaning to start to like something.

Now hold on for just one cotton-pickin’ minute here!

39 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:28:19am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

What did you mean by the word “cotton?” Is that some sort of racist comment?

Affirmative action for cotton now! I demand at least 80% cotton in my underwear or I’m not moving from this park bench!

40 Slap  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:28:34am

re: #38 Spare O’Lake

Did a new thread start?

(ducks)

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:28:46am

re: #26 The Sanity Inspector

Can’t play the vids at my location. Does he say why he threatened Obama after having donated to his Presidential campaign?

A good thing this guy was all talk, up til now.

Might have decided Obama betrayed him, by, say, not putting the country on a bubblegum currency, or having his mother-in-law executed for heresy.

I don’t think this man is real tightly wrapped.

42 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:29:01am

re: #38 Spare O’Lake

Now hold on for just one cotton-pickin’ minute here!

Yea… you caught the humor, then again, some people, like a box of rocks.

43 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:29:07am

re: #33 Obdicut

Why would you think that, Walter? It’s a perfectly common idiom, meaning to start to like something.

And what exactly do you mean by IDIOM?

//

44 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:29:56am

There seems to be a consensus in the Republican Party that the only way they can retain enough political clout to contend with Democrats is to pander to the extremists in the tea party movement and other far right groups, by slyly wording statements in order to avoid unequivocally denouncing them.

GOP politicians seem to believe that if they really cut off the extremist fringe, they’d lose a large portion of their base.

They could be right.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:18am

re: #32 researchok

That there are an equal number of nutcases on the left as there are on the right is a given. The Church of the Whackjobs is open to all.

Distinction, though, between the politically motivated, sane, and stupid (TPers, Code Pink) and the absolutely insane (Leboon).

46 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:20am

re: #28 Slap

Prog?

PROG!!!

[Video]

Not naming any names, but for those who think the “Prog” label is a liberal diss, I must say, I like it a lot better than Demoncrats, Demoncraps, moonbats or the plethora of insults I’ve endured here over the years.

Bring on the Prog. What do we get to call you wingnuts then? Wingnuts is so turn of the century.

47 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:24am

re: #39 Jeff In Ohio

Affirmative action for cotton now! I demand at least 80% cotton in my underwear or I’m not moving from this park bench!

And you discovered the humor in that comment too. Then again, there are some people who are so trying to pick a fight… LOL.

48 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:32am

re: #33 Obdicut

Why would you think that, Walter? It’s a perfectly common idiom, meaning to start to like something.

Who you calling an idiom?

49 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:34am

re: #35 Ericus58

re: #37 Obdicut

Thanks you.

It just really bugs me how people can deliberately choose to miss the point.

There is right and there is wrong. All the rest we can debate.

50 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:44am

re: #36 iceweasel

I bet Babe would call him a “butthead.”

51 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:47am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Idiom, sir?

re: #42 Walter L. Newton


Never lose a chance to be insulting, do you?

52 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:30:47am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines…that the lack of mental facilities could foster that type of contradiction.

But you said it more nicely. :-)

53 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:31:50am

re: #40 Slap

Did a new thread start?

(ducks)

I guess we’re cotton the horns of a dilemma.

54 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:31:55am

re: #51 Obdicut

Huh Why didn’t that embed?

There we go.

The Tale of Sir Lancelot.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:32:07am

re: #46 marjoriemoon

Not naming any names, but for those who think the “Prog” label is a liberal diss, I must say, I like it a lot better than Demoncrats, Demoncraps, moonbats or the plethora of insults I’ve endured here over the years.

Bring on the Prog. What do we get to call you wingnuts then? Wingnuts is so turn of the century.

I won’t use it. I am not a progressive. Progressives know I am not a progressive. I am a garden-variety bleeding-heart liberal.

56 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:32:07am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Agreed, but in fact they all feed from the same poison- no one stands up and says ‘no’.

57 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:32:22am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

How went you Seder last night?

58 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:32:36am

JEEEE-SUS.

I finally took a look at the toodler holding the gun at the Hutu-aree , Hekawi, ummmm asshat Hutaree wedding.

That is a picture just begging to be LOL’d.

59 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:32:47am

So Leboon is neither right wing or left wing, but a pure nutjob, but the right wingnuts being what they are encourages and incites people like him. Ok got it.

60 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:33:35am

re: #52 abbyadams

Yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines…that the lack of mental facilities could foster that type of contradiction.

But you said it more nicely. :-)

I read today that Laboon was arrested this past summer for threatening to have the Angel Gabriel kill his roommate.

My first thought is, roommate? How long do people tolerate crazy?

tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

61 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:33:49am

re: #59 robdouth

So Leboon is neither right wing or left wing, but a pure nutjob, but the right wingnuts being what they are encourages and incites people like him. Ok got it.

Apparently not.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:34:19am

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

How went you Seder last night?

Very nice. My mom and I went to the JCC Seder. Hippie lady rabbi, powerpoint presentation, singing, dancing and mushroom chicken.

Tonight I’m going to friends for the second night. Trying to convince my husband to come, but he’s antisocial.

How was yours?

63 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:34:24am

re: #44 Charles

There seems to be a consensus in the Republican Party that the only way they can retain enough political clout to contend with Democrats is to pander to the extremists in the tea party movement and other far right groups, by slyly wording statements in order to avoid unequivocally denouncing them.

GOP politicians seem to believe that if they really cut off the extremist fringe, they’d lose a large portion of their base.

They could be right.

I believe that a whole lot more support would materialize for the GOP if they just dismissed the morons. Who wants to be affiliated with the fringe?

I for one would breath a sigh of relief.

64 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:35:33am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

As long as you need the rent money, you’ll tolerate a lot of crazy from roommates. Additionally, once they’re on the lease, it’s hard to get them off.

I had one roommate that as obsessed with those Faces of Death videos. He reminds me of this crazy dude, too.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:35:39am

re: #59 robdouth

So Leboon is neither right wing or left wing, but a pure nutjob, but the right wingnuts being what they are encourages and incites people like him. Ok got it.

Actually, I think Leboon went off the deep end a long time ago. I suspect if wingnuts have any impact on the situation it’s that his threats toward Cantor got him in the news, while in a less loaded year they wouldn’t have.

66 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:35:41am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Might have decided Obama betrayed him, by, say, not putting the country on a bubblegum currency, or having his mother-in-law executed for heresy.

I don’t think this man is real tightly wrapped.

Neither was the Pentagon shooter a couple of weeks ago. Yet despite being severely afflicted with bipolar disorder, there was a stampede to make him some sort of poster child for the right.

Glad to see that sort of gross and insensitive stereotyping is now being put aside.

67 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:35:42am

Since I caught a ration of crap with the pentagon shooter, I’m glad to see so many converts to my argument. Welcome aboard.

68 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:35:58am

Okay, joke’s over, but you might be interested to know that “cottoning” to something has its roots in cotton mills. Growing up, I’d often see textile mill workers stopping off at the store before going home, their hair and clothes flecked with cotton lint. Hence also the old slur against poor southern whites: “lintheads”.

69 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:35:58am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

I read today that Laboon was arrested this past summer for threatening to have the Angel Gabriel kill his roommate.

My first thought is, roommate? How long do people tolerate crazy?

Seriously.
I assumed the dude lived in his mom’s basement and creeped into the kitchen to post his videos when she was at work and his other caretaker was tied up passed out.

70 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:36:08am

re: #64 Obdicut

As long as you need the rent money, you’ll tolerate a lot of crazy from roommates. Additionally, once they’re on the lease, it’s hard to get them off.

I had one roommate that as obsessed with those Faces of Death videos. He reminds me of this crazy dude, too.

I don’t know how people can watch that crap.

71 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:36:09am

re: #61 Cato the Elder

It’s a joke, because this guy is apparently apolitical (not to be used to show an example of left wing nut jobs, but then in the very next paragraph, Charles uses him to highlight right wing nut jobs.)

Look I agree the right wing is crazy, but it’s still silly to say it’s not proof of left wing because he threatens both sides, but then use it as proof of right wing crazy. That’s all.

72 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:36:14am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Depends on how high the rent is?
/

73 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:36:33am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

What did you mean by the word “cotton?” Is that some sort of racist comment?

I’ll type slower so you can follow me. I used ‘cotton’ as it’s a type of fabric, as is my intentional mispelling of Muslim (aka ‘muslin’) and Satan (aka ‘satin’). I even added the word ‘fabric’ to my sarc as I thought it would help those who didn’t catch the connection between the other three words (one of which was used as a verb—that’s an action word).

74 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:36:35am

Here’s LeBoon threatening to kill the first born of every YouTube employee:

75 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:36:48am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

I won’t use it. I am not a progressive. Progressives know I am not a progressive. I am a garden-variety bleeding-heart liberal.

Personally, I don’t like the term either. I’m fine with liberal.

But as opposed to the others, Prog is rather refreshing, since folks round these parts have a hard time typing D E M O C R A T. Must be too many letters.

76 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:37:26am

re: #74 iceweasel

Here’s LeBoon threatening to kill the first born of every YouTube employee:

[Video]

Eh, too Jewish.

/Hedley Lamaar

77 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:37:59am

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Apparently, neither did you.

78 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:38:37am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

I cotton to “Hey, diptshit”.

79 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:39:28am

re: #67 RogueOne

I don’t think the point is about the individual actions of the crazy-ass people, but about the mainstream politicians and media figures who are legitimizing the paths of thought that lead to these sorts of things.

It’s a rather important distinction.

80 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:39:43am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Very nice. My mom and I went to the JCC Seder. Hippie lady rabbi, powerpoint presentation, singing, dancing and mushroom chicken.

Tonight I’m going to friends for the second night. Trying to convince my husband to come, but he’s antisocial.

How was yours?

Very nice… 15 people, ages 17 to 81, I handed out visual aids (Maccabee era Jewish coins, 1st revolt (66-70) era Jewish coins), discussed Wounded Knee, Ludlow, 9/11, I told three Bal Shem Tov stories, we sang songs and sent everyone packing with a lot of food. There were conservatives, liberal and even one actual communist… and of course a full complement of atheist.

Freedom is universal.

81 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:39:53am

And sorry, but no, I also don’t agree that the Pentagon shooter’s ideology wasn’t right wing. John Patrick Bedell’s beliefs came straight out of the far right libertarian movement, and although pretty crazy, they were far more coherent than Leboon’s beliefs.

82 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:39:58am

I’m thinking about the tensions that normally occur around weddings: stress about the arrangements, old family fueds, new family fueds, jealousy, bridezillas.

Guns would not improve things.

(I was going to say “Who does she want to shoot?” but in some weddings, there’s an answer to that question.)

83 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:40:12am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Personally, I don’t like the term either. I’m fine with liberal.

But as opposed to the others, Prog is rather refreshing, since folks round these parts have a hard time typing D E M O C R A T. Must be too many letters.

Progressive is my preference. “Prog” is an attempt at a diminutive. And not all Democrats are progressive (Bart Stupak, for example, or Blanche Lincoln or Ben Nelson)

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:40:26am

re: #68 The Sanity Inspector

Okay, joke’s over, but you might be interested to know that “cottoning” to something has its roots in cotton mills. Growing up, I’d often see textile mill workers stopping off at the store before going home, their hair and clothes flecked with cotton lint. Hence also the old slur against poor southern whites: “lintheads”.

How does that lead to the use of the word to mean ‘take a liking to’?

85 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:40:32am

Here’s his YouTube Channel:
youtube.com

He’s made 515 videos. CNN, Muslims, Jews, the Pope, YouTube, Bush, Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown, the KKK, — everyone gets a shoutout from him at one time or another, looks like.

86 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:40:38am

re: #73 darthstar

I’ll type slower so you can follow me. I used ‘cotton’ as it’s a type of fabric, as is my intentional mispelling of Muslim (aka ‘muslin’) and Satan (aka ‘satin’). I even added the word ‘fabric’ to my sarc as I thought it would help those who didn’t catch the connection between the other three words (one of which was used as a verb—that’s an action word).

What did you mean by the word “c o t t o n?” LOL.

87 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:40:57am

re: #85 iceweasel

Here’s his YouTube Channel:
[Link: www.youtube.com…]

He’s made 515 videos. CNN, Muslims, Jews, the Pope, YouTube, Bush, Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown, the KKK, — everyone gets a shoutout from him at one time or another, looks like.

I actually feel left out. :(

88 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:41:13am

re: #73 darthstar

I’ll type slower so you can follow me. I used ‘cotton’ as it’s a type of fabric, as is my intentional mispelling of Muslim (aka ‘muslin’) and Satan (aka ‘satin’).

HA!
I love when some nutjob is going off about some group being the MINIONS OF SATAN and but they type SATIN instead.
Yeah, good times on message boards….

89 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:41:37am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Your package went into the mail about 1 hour ago.

90 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:42:20am

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

Your package went into the mail about 1 hour ago.

Thank you!!!

91 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:42:39am

Slate jumps into the school food argument:

Not So Fresh: Does Michelle Obama’s war on obesity give short shrift to canned and frozen produce?
slate.com

Why does Slate hate skinny kids? Don’t they know Michelle O and the naked chef are trying to save us from ourselves?

92 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:05am

re: #88 webevintage

HA!
I love when some nutjob is going off about some group being the MINIONS OF SATAN and but they type SATIN instead.
Yeah, good times on message boards…

Why do you call on the minions of darkness by bringing up Satin?

93 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:37am

re: #67 RogueOne

Since I caught a ration of crap with the pentagon shooter, I’m glad to see so many converts to my argument. Welcome aboard.

Don’t count me among the “converts.” Calling this guy an apolitical loon has absolutely nothing to do with the Pentagon shooter, who was an extreme right wing libertarian anarchist.

94 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:39am

re: #79 Obdicut

I don’t think the point is about the individual actions of the crazy-ass people, but about the mainstream politicians and media figures who are legitimizing the paths of thought that lead to these sorts of things.

It’s a rather important distinction.

The distinction is you want to reserve the right to place blame when it’s convenient instead of dealing with the reality that “crazy is crazy”.

95 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:43am

re: #81 Charles

And sorry, but no, I also don’t agree that the Pentagon shooter’s ideology wasn’t right wing. John Patrick Bedell’s beliefs came straight out of the far right libertarian movement, and although pretty crazy, they were far more coherent than Leboon’s beliefs.

In fact, Bedell is cut from the same cloth as the Fort Hood shooter, Major Hassan.

They both fed off of bastardized beliefs and ideologies.

96 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:44:08am

re: #94 RogueOne

The distinction is you want to reserve the right to place blame when it’s convenient instead of dealing with the reality that “crazy is crazy”.

Okay, never mind, dude. You’re not in a listening mood today.

97 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:44:47am

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

What did you mean by the word “c o t t o n?” LOL.

Gee…I don’t know, Walter…I guess you got me there! Hee-yuk!

98 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:45:47am

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

How does that lead to the use of the word to mean ‘take a liking to’?

clinging to something = taking a liking to something, in this colloquialism. The South is full of homey metaphors like that, or used to be.

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:45:56am

re: #97 darthstar

Gee…I don’t know, Walter…I guess you got me there! Hee-yuk!

Dale… are you making fun of me again?

100 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:46:14am

Can I get an OT heh?
heh.

Luap Nor, other Texas “screw the census” Rs can end up costing R seats.

Not to mention costing the government more money.

101 Gus  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:46:33am

re: #81 Charles

And sorry, but no, I also don’t agree that the Pentagon shooter’s ideology wasn’t right wing. John Patrick Bedell’s beliefs came straight out of the far right libertarian movement, and although pretty crazy, they were far more coherent than Leboon’s beliefs.

Any information ever come out regarding his affiliation with the Cato Institute?

102 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:46:39am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

Dale… are you making fun of me again?

You talking to me? Or your other brother Dale?

103 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:46:50am

re: #93 Charles

Don’t count me among the “converts.” Calling this guy an apolitical loon has absolutely nothing to do with the Pentagon shooter, who was an extreme right wing libertarian anarchist.

..who was also a loon. Both of these guys have obvious and severe mental issues. I don’t think it’s appropriate to label this guy a left-wing nut job for the exact same reason I don’t think it’s appropriate to label the pentagon shooter a right-wing loon. We can’t ignore their obvious mental deficiencies.

104 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:47:30am

re: #81 Charles

And sorry, but no, I also don’t agree that the Pentagon shooter’s ideology wasn’t right wing. John Patrick Bedell’s beliefs came straight out of the far right libertarian movement, and although pretty crazy, they were far more coherent than Leboon’s beliefs.

We’re talking about someone with severe bipolar disorder here. Trying to apply concepts like “ideology”, “motivation” or “coherence” is an exercise in futility, at best.

105 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:47:40am

re: #96 Obdicut

Okay, never mind, dude. You’re not in a listening mood today.

I was just giving you a hard time but no, I don’t see a difference in either person. They’re mental patients waiting for their straight-jackets.

106 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:47:47am

re: #101 Gus 802

Any information ever come out regarding his affiliation with the Cato Institute?

No, I don’t think anything came of that. He apparently used an email address with the Cato domain name, but I never saw any follow-up on it.

107 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:47:57am

re: #64 Obdicut

As long as you need the rent money, you’ll tolerate a lot of crazy from roommates. Additionally, once they’re on the lease, it’s hard to get them off.

I had one roommate that as obsessed with those Faces of Death videos. He reminds me of this crazy dude, too.

Worst roomy I had checked out, seemed quite normal before he moved in and then… yowsa.

He was a totally mental clean freak that showered 5 times a day and if you left one thing just a tiny bit out of place he would pick it up and chuck it into your bedroom. Came home one day with ketchup all over my wall because I put in back in the fridge in the wrong spot. Then the bizzaro coke dealer showed up in his flash white suit and the place turned into a revolving door of weirdos with gold chains and bare chested suits.
Tried everything to get this guy to leave but legally all rights were on his side. It was ridiculous.

Finally had to round up my own set of friends to be my own personal goon squad to ‘make it so uncomfortable’ that he finally left on his own. His parting shot though was to phone my parents and tell them that I was complete druggie and selling sex. Now that was fun to explain to them.

Then when he left and we went to clean his room we found out that he had painted in black. What a pain we thought! So out come the paint rollers and as we were priming the walls all these satanic symbols and messages about satan appeared like magic. The guy had covered the walls with green jiffy marker writing before painting over them.

WORST ROOMATE EVAH!!

108 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:47:57am

re: #79 Obdicut

I don’t think the point is about the individual actions of the crazy-ass people, but about the mainstream politicians and media figures who are legitimizing the paths of thought that lead to these sorts of things.

It’s a rather important distinction.

But what about their anger? Why are you in such denial about their legitimate concerns? Who will look out for their children when the socialist has bankrupted our great nation, taken away our guns, sacrificed the elderly on the later of healthcare, denied God and filled the schools with nonsense about evolution and climate chain? Who? Who?

I’m just saying these people have a voice in this great democracy of ours, we should not shut our ears to their rage, our eyes to the sign, turn away and hope for the best. We should embrace their delusions and wrap our arms around their paranoia.

I could roll
as a concern troll.

109 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:47:58am

re: #94 RogueOne

The distinction is you want to reserve the right to place blame when it’s convenient instead of dealing with the reality that “crazy is crazy”.

Tautologies are tautologies.

If David Duke is crazy, does that mean he’s not a right-wing, white supremacist fascist? Your argument is empty.

110 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:48:11am

re: #103 RogueOne

re: #104 SixDegrees

I do not agree.

111 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:48:32am

Who will restore our nation’s kook symmetry?

112 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:48:39am

re: #105 RogueOne

I was just giving you a hard time but no, I don’t see a difference in either person. They’re mental patients waiting for their straight-jackets.

That has absolutely nothing to do with my post, though. At all.

113 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:48:44am

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Tautologies are tautologies.

If David Duke is crazy, does that mean he’s not a right-wing, white supremacist fascist? Your argument is empty.

No, your argument is empty. David Duke is a racist, not a lunatic.

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:06am

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Tautologies are tautologies.

If David Duke is crazy, does that mean he’s not a right-wing, white supremacist fascist? Your argument is empty.

Exactly.

115 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:08am

re: #107 Jadespring

I was going to respond with my own crappy roommate story, but then I read your post again. You win.

116 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:11am

re: #94 RogueOne

Don’t we always run the risk then of only placing blame on those ideologies that we think at that time are crazy. If we think the right is being crazy, it feeds directly into our ideology that someone who perverts a belief system and uses it to do crazy fits nicely into our worldview. If they use a belief system we don’t think is being crazy right now, they are an apolitical person who perverted an ideology?

I agree with Rogue that it’s easier to call crazy crazy. Crazy cults shouldn’t be indictments of regular normal religious people. Virulent anti-religious people shouldn’t be used as representative of normal athiests, Crazy anti-abortion people shouldn’t be used as the only examples of the pro-life ideology, otherwise, you’re just tarring an entire belief instead of highlighting small groups of crazies.

Just like posts from the comments of a website doesn’t represent millions of people’s views, just the junkies that frequent a site and are hate-filled.

117 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:13am

re: #83 darthstar

Progressive is my preference. “Prog” is an attempt at a diminutive. And not all Democrats are progressive (Bart Stupak, for example, or Blanche Lincoln or Ben Nelson)

I’m a bit irritated by Progressive because I think it came into being because the Right was dissing the term Liberal so much so they moved to something more 21st century/future like. I think Liberal means progressive and forward-thinking, too, so why change it? Certainly it doesn’t stop name calling.

118 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:23am

re: #103 RogueOne

..who was also a loon. Both of these guys have obvious and severe mental issues. I don’t think it’s appropriate to label this guy a left-wing nut job for the exact same reason I don’t think it’s appropriate to label the pentagon shooter a right-wing loon. We can’t ignore their obvious mental deficiencies.

That’s correct. With people like these, any intersection with reality and whatever takes place in their minds is coincidental, at best.

119 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:36am

Its easy to label someone is crazy. In some cases, this is justified. In other cases, its a convenient way to distance yourself from a person who might be a little closer to your way of thinking than you would like to admit.

120 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:56am

re: #117 marjoriemoon

I’m a bit irritated by Progressive because I think it came into being because the Right was dissing the term Liberal so much so they moved to something more 21st century/future like. I think Liberal means progressive and forward-thinking, too, so why change it? Certainly it doesn’t stop name calling.

True…I do like the word Liberal as well, and am not afraid to use it in reference to myself or others—-postively.

121 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:51:08am

re: #91 RogueOne

Slate jumps into the school food argument:

Not So Fresh: Does Michelle Obama’s war on obesity give short shrift to canned and frozen produce?
[Link: www.slate.com…]

Why does Slate hate skinny kids? Don’t they know Michelle O and the naked chef are trying to save us from ourselves?

If we’re not going to be concerned about what goes into our children’s mouths, who will be?

Sorry, could’t resist. I’ve been reborn.

122 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:51:16am

re: #105 RogueOne

I was just giving you a hard time but no, I don’t see a difference in either person. They’re mental patients waiting for their straight-jackets.

The word you’re vainly groping for inside your padded cell is “straitjacket”.

123 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:51:32am

Is the GOP responsible for the actions of every right wing extremist?

124 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:52:12am

re: #118 SixDegrees

If he only had coincidental contact with reality, he’d have died within a few days, since he wouldn’t feed himself, wouldn’t realize that a car would kill him if it hit him, etc.

Your interwebs psychiatry degree needs a refresher, I think.

And again, I think the main point that Charles made well is that it is the GOP and the right-wing who are legitimizing the crazy. They’re spreading the same rumors and insane beliefs that the crazy people are repeating.

Ignoring that is foolish.

125 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:52:18am

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its easy to label someone is crazy. In some cases, this is justified. In other cases, its a convenient way to distance yourself from a person who might be a little closer to your way of thinking than you would like to admit.

In Bedell’s case, he’d been diagnosed as suffering from bipolar disorder, and had been institutionalized for it four times, I believe.

Not at all sure about Leboon yet, but I won’t be surprised if a long history of severe mental illness comes to light.

126 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:52:51am

Is Islam responsible for every explosive-strapped suicide bomber?

127 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:52:56am

re: #114 Charles

Big difference is that Duke was a politician, so it’s not nearly in the same ballpark. Of course the politics comes in when you are discussing a politician.

For example, if Dennis Kucinich were to go Ron Paul-like on the left side and become dangerous (obviously he is not) Then it would be apt to mention he is left wing, But if some crazy person went after Bush because of some laundry list of made up and legitimate reasons, I don’t think it would be fair to use it as an indictment of left wing wingnuts or something like that.

128 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:53:18am

re: #123 Spare O’Lake

Is the GOP responsible for the actions of every right wing extremist?

Magic 8 Ball says:

For sure!

130 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:54:22am

re: #129 iceweasel

She clarified, she meant to say “snap matzah”

/

131 SteveC  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:55:31am

re: #28 Slap

Prog?

PROG!!!

Who’s hogging the Prawns?!?!

Oh!…… nevermind!

132 ckb  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:55:48am

Charles,

My best recollection on one of your posts on this subject says that there was no reason to think that the bullet attack on Cantor’s office was targetting it. Indeed, it appeared true as even the police report thought it was a stray bullet.

With this man’s direct video statement (that “your office has received my bullets” or somehing to that effect) there is now reason to believe Cantor was targeted. I’m assuming the video with the statement was posted after the the attack was made (might be worth checking). I’m also assuming Cantor was aware of the video when he was talking about the bullet in his office.

133 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:55:49am

re: #123 Spare O’Lake

Is the GOP responsible for the actions of every right wing extremist?

The GOP isn’t responsible for the actions of any right wing extremist. They are, however, contributing to the paranoid rhetoric that drives these right wing extremists, and they don’t seem to care that they may be influencing those in society who may have a lack of mental balance which could lead them to actually follow through and take literally the likes of Bachmann (‘we need to be armed’) or Palin (‘don’t retreat, RELOAD!’).

Of course, one could also say that the radical Imams in the middle east aren’t responsible for the actions of Muslim extremists…but that would be drawing a parallel that makes some Americans uncomfortable with the leaders they support.

134 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:56:07am

re: #130 Obdicut

That was her clarification, for real:

We meant all bread, leavened and unleavened, and matzo is just unleavened bread so that’s what we meant by that.

Um, I’m not Jewish, but, that’s still a “no” because of the leavened part. Right?

135 Gus  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:56:10am

re: #129 iceweasel

OT, but heh.

Carly Fiorina: Breadless Holiday Of Passover Is A Time To ‘Break Bread’

And ketchup is a vegetable.

/

136 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:56:11am

re: #130 Obdicut

She clarified, she meant to say “snap matzah”

/

Heh. You’re not far off:

Late Update: The Fiorina Camp explains the “break bread” comment in another e-mail to supporters:

“We meant all bread, leavened and unleavened, and matzo is just unleavened bread so that’s what we meant by that.”

Metaphor fail.

137 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:56:47am

re: #91 RogueOne

Slate jumps into the school food argument:

Not So Fresh: Does Michelle Obama’s war on obesity give short shrift to canned and frozen produce?
[Link: www.slate.com…]

Why does Slate hate skinny kids? Don’t they know Michelle O and the naked chef are trying to save us from ourselves?

Silly article. They should push the fresh produce. Frozen is also good. I know they have a study there saying canned is just as dandy, but once you pour off the water in the can, most of the nutrients go with it. Canned also contains a lot of salt and preservatives. Why didn’t they mention that in the study?

Nothing wrong with frozen.

138 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:00am

I’ve suddenly been unpleasantly reminded of why I never subscribe to mailing lists. The archives for this one, dedicated to a software development project, never exceeded ten postings per day, usually much less. Since joining yesterday, there’s been a constant stream, well over fifty messages clogging my inbox just today - nearly all of them from one poster.

[sigh] Time to unsubscribe, I guess.

139 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:10am

re: #132 ckb

Charles,

My best recollection on one of your posts on this subject says that there was no reason to think that the bullet attack on Cantor’s office was targetting it. Indeed, it appeared true as even the police report thought it was a stray bullet.

With this man’s direct video statement (that “your office has received my bullets” or somehing to that effect) there is now reason to believe Cantor was targeted. I’m assuming the video with the statement was posted after the the attack was made (might be worth checking). I’m also assuming Cantor was aware of the video when he was talking about the bullet in his office.

Or, the guy is just an idiot and a self aggrandizing fool who wants to take credit for a stray bullet.

140 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:14am

re: #126 JasonA

Damn poignant point there. I wouldn’t hold Islam responsible, but point out there is a small vocal people that claim to be of that majority.

I think there are many parallels (sans the violence) with what’s happened to the Republican party in some ways. Obviously the nuts aren’t necessarily representative of the party, but the party is not doing a good enough job denouncing them.

141 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:24am

re: #132 ckb

I’m also assuming Cantor was aware of the video when he was talking about the bullet in his office.

That is a totally unsupported assumption. Don’t you think he would have mentioned it in his hysterical announcement?

142 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:36am

re: #137 marjoriemoon

Canned also contains a lot of BPAs, in some cases, even organics. We need to rethink how we are preserving foods.

143 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:58:06am

Crazy people don’t live in a vaccum. They don’t think up every thing on their own whole cloth from nothing. They take whats around them, latch onto it and adapt it to their own world view, same as everyone else. Its the conclusions they come to and the actions they take, as well as the care they are given, both professionally and by those who care about them, which will affect how well they can survive in society.

144 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:58:34am

re: #132 ckb

Charles,

With this man’s direct video statement (that “your office has received my bullets” or somehing to that effect) there is now reason to believe Cantor was targeted.

This dipshit obviously watched Fox news exclusively. Cantor’s office wasn’t even hit by the bullet. It went through a different office window belonging to another person/company(but in the SAME BUILDING!!!). Never mind the fact that his ‘office’ isn’t even being actively used at present. It’s just an office he keeps for campaign season…

145 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:58:53am

It’s silly to just say “crazy is crazy.” You can’t classify human beings so easily.

History is full of examples of people we’d call crazy, who were very obsessive about a political ideology. Politics and insanity are not mutually exclusive — in fact, one often drives the other. It’s not a simple either/or situation — nuts or not nuts. It’s more of a continuum of crazy, with some people far out on the fringes where the ideologies are all tangled up, and others closer to the more recognizable right/left classification.

The guy who crashed his airplane into the federal building was not easily identifiable by ideology, and seemed more driven by personal anger and bitterness. The Pentagon shooter had a pretty clearly defined right wing libertarian anarchist position.

You can’t throw these two people into the same “crazy” bag.

146 keloyd  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:59:28am

1. Crazy and being identifiable as left or right are not mutually exclusive, but it becomes tricky. Ru Ron Paul is not remotely racist, but his extreme views on freedom put him in bed (or on the radio) with others who want a whole lot of freedom for nefarious purposes. As a result, the racial separatists and ultra-creationist religious separatists can’t get enough of Ron Paul. The man himself is just grateful someone is paying attention to him. It stretches the definition of ‘right’ wing. Then take Hitler. He gave his party a name with alternating left and right wing dog whistle words - Nationalist (right) Socialist (left) German (right) Workers (left).

1.5 The Sunday morning shows had lots of Republican big shots giving disapproving quotes about the spitting, epithet shouting, brick throwing elements of the Tea Party. The old men in charge just don’t move at blog-speed.

2. Abbyadams - don’t say “Texas screw the census…” with that negative connotation. I just got a part time Census job offer. ALL OF YOU THROW THOSE FORMS AWAY. The more of you who don’t fill them out, the longer I can get paid.

147 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:59:43am

re: #140 robdouth

Yay! I got through to someone :D
Yes, some people are batsh!t insane and don’t seem to be influenced by ideological rhetoric. Like the crazy person we’re talking about here.

148 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:59:59am

re: #133 darthstar

Would you say the same thing if during GWB’s years in office, someone was incited by the hate displayed daily at HuffPo and DKos and their mental inbalance to attempt to hurt or kill any republicans at the time. Would that then have been the fault of Democrats for failing to police that hate in their sites?

149 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:00:19pm

re: #107 Jadespring


WORST ROOMATE EVAH!!

Yeah, but you got a great story to tell.

150 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:00:28pm

re: #145 Charles

It’s silly to just say “crazy is crazy.” You can’t classify human beings so easily.

History is full of examples of people we’d call crazy, who were very obsessive about a political ideology. Politics and insanity are not mutually exclusive — in fact, one often drives the other. It’s not a simple either/or situation — nuts or not nuts. It’s more of a continuum of crazy, with some people far out on the fringes where the ideologies all tangled up, and others closer to the more recognizable right/left classification.

The guy who crashed his airplane into the federal building was not easily identifiable by ideology, and seemed more driven by personal anger and bitterness. The Pentagon shooter had a pretty clearly defined right wing libertarian anarchist position.

You can’t throw these two people into the same “crazy” bag.

There is more than one bag when it comes to crazy.

151 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:00:45pm

Crazy never kept the Romans from naming someone Emperor.

152 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:00:46pm

re: #120 darthstar

True…I do like the word Liberal as well, and am not afraid to use it in reference to myself or others—-postively.

heheh Don’t let others define you.

I never used the word “Jew” when I spoke. I’d say I was Jewish, instead of saying, “I’m a Jew.” Because, of course, the adjective usually injected before the word (like dirty, rotten, cheap, etc.) Jews tended to shy away from the word.

Anyway years ago on beliefnet, they were discussing this and this woman insisted people should own the word. “You are not an -ISH. You’re not kind of a Jew. It’s our word. Take it back!”

It really resonated with me and now I’m very mindful about using those two words.

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:00:51pm

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Personally, I don’t like the term either. I’m fine with liberal.

But as opposed to the others, Prog is rather refreshing, since folks round these parts have a hard time typing D E M O C R A T. Must be too many letters.

Why not just shorten it to “pog” in order to put a cap on the issue…

;)

154 prairiefire  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:01:32pm

re: #146 keloyd

Upding for the “Ru”.

155 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:02:06pm

re: #107 Jadespring

Worst roomy I had checked out, seemed quite normal before he moved in and then… yowsa.

He was a totally mental clean freak that showered 5 times a day and if you left one thing just a tiny bit out of place he would pick it up and chuck it into your bedroom. Came home one day with ketchup all over my wall because I put in back in the fridge in the wrong spot. Then the bizzaro coke dealer showed up in his flash white suit and the place turned into a revolving door of weirdos with gold chains and bare chested suits.
Tried everything to get this guy to leave but legally all rights were on his side. It was ridiculous.

Finally had to round up my own set of friends to be my own personal goon squad to ‘make it so uncomfortable’ that he finally left on his own. His parting shot though was to phone my parents and tell them that I was complete druggie and selling sex. Now that was fun to explain to them.

Then when he left and we went to clean his room we found out that he had painted in black. What a pain we thought! So out come the paint rollers and as we were priming the walls all these satanic symbols and messages about satan appeared like magic. The guy had covered the walls with green jiffy marker writing before painting over them.

WORST ROOMATE EVAH!!

No, that would be the guy from Morocco, the sweet-tempered math grad student who took one of my apartments back in the ’90s.

He was the very image of the starving student. No furniture but a desk, a mattress, and a chair. He was saving up to bring his bride over from Marrakesh. I liked him. His name was Bashir.

When I bought myself a new sofa, I offered him the old one. It was still in great shape and had a fold-out bed. Told him I’d put it outside my apartment and he would be responsible for finding someone to help him move it.

So he shows up at 1:30 in the morning with a friend and they start loudly arguing about how best to hump the thing down two flights of stairs in the middle of the night.

I’m rather grumpy when waked out of a sound sleep, so I told them off and suggested they leave daytime jobs for the daytime.

Next day I got a handwritten note from him: “If you ever speak to me that way again, I’ll kill you, eat your flesh and go to jail.”

That may or may not be a figure of speech in North Africa, but I called the police anyway just to let him know that the going to jail part would come true if he so much as looked at me funny.

I still have the note.

Later on when he forced me to evict him I had to lawfully enter the apartment in his absence. Discovered that his “mathematical work” consisted of notebooks full of whacko proofs that the Koran is the true word of God based on its uncanny use of the number 19. This is a very common obsession with Islamic nutjobs. Kinda like off-the-rails English professors proving by anagram that Shakespeare wrote Bacon’s works, who wrote Shakespeare’s.

Good times!

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:02:36pm

re: #111 The Sanity Inspector

Who will restore our nation’s kook symmetry?

I’d rather not find out.

157 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:02:42pm

re: #132 ckb

With this man’s direct video statement (that “your office has received my bullets” or somehing to that effect) there is now reason to believe Cantor was targeted. I’m assuming the video with the statement was posted after the the attack was made (might be worth checking). I’m also assuming Cantor was aware of the video when he was talking about the bullet in his office.

hahahahahaha

Oh my.
Are you part of the “Laboon can shoot a bullet into the air and make it land wherever he wants” gang?

158 cliffster  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:03:28pm

Listen to the mandolin rain
Listen to the music on the lake
Listen to my heart break, every time she runs away

Listen to the banjo wind -
sad song, drifting low
Listen to my tears roll down my face as she turns to go

159 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:03:46pm

re: #157 webevintage

Don’t most bullets go somewhere around where they are aimed. Was he that bad a shot?

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:03:48pm
161 cliffster  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:03:59pm

re: #158 cliffster

bruce lyric break

162 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:04:05pm

re: #136 iceweasel

Metaphor fail.

The battle of the mixed metaphors continues in US politics.

163 Gus  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:04:30pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

And sacrifice a demon lamb.

With a Barbara Boxer blimp looming overhead.

/

164 researchok  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:04:31pm

Speaking about crazy, those Hutaree nutjobs in the midwest are proof that when it comes to crazy, we have blessed with a bumper crop.

165 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:04:45pm

re: #148 robdouth

Would you say the same thing if during GWB’s years in office, someone was incited by the hate displayed daily at HuffPo and DKos and their mental inbalance to attempt to hurt or kill any republicans at the time. Would that then have been the fault of Democrats for failing to police that hate in their sites?

HuffPo and dKos are not actually elected officials spewing alarmist rhetoric on TV. But, to further the discussion, if someone called for killing politicians, or taking up arms, in a diary, and then someone read that diary and decided to follow suit, then yes, their rhetoric would be partially culpable.

Of course, the big difference here is that you’re stating a hypothetical…IF they incited violence during the Bush administration…it’s a little late to do that, don’t you think? What we’re seeing today is actually fairly relevant.

166 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:05:01pm

And by the way, on the continuum of crazy, Leboon is dangling off the edge by his fingernails. In some of the videos he looks heavily self-medicated too.

167 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:05:03pm

re: #117 marjoriemoon

I’m a bit irritated by Progressive because I think it came into being because the Right was dissing the term Liberal so much so they moved to something more 21st century/future like. I think Liberal means progressive and forward-thinking, too, so why change it? Certainly it doesn’t stop name calling.

It was actually a move back, recovering “progressive” from an earlier political era. It eventually succumbed to creeping irony, and “liberal” was adopted. It, too, met the same fate by the end of the Reagan years. Now here we are back again with “progressive”.

Myself, I’d rather stick with liberal, so that I can accommodate liberals’ wish to not be conflated with leftists. “Progressive” has been a stalking horse for much leftist mischief over the years, and is thus harder to define in practical terms.

I was guilty of judging capitalism by its operations and socialism by its hopes and aspirations; capitalism by its works and socialism by its literature.
— Sidney Hook

168 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:05:29pm

re: #152 marjoriemoon

I’m Ir-ish. I guess that’s kind of Ir.
:)

169 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:05:49pm

re: #142 abbyadams

Canned also contains a lot of BPAs, in some cases, even organics. We need to rethink how we are preserving foods.

Were you ever a vegetarian? I learned a lot about nutrition during those years. Now I’m just a lazy meat eater :)

170 gamark  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:06:10pm

re: #141 iceweasel

That is a totally unsupported assumption. Don’t you think he would have mentioned it in his hysterical announcement?

What was the hysterical part?

171 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:06:14pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

:D Okay, that’s pretty nutty.

172 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:06:31pm

re: #165 darthstar

That’s a good point, but there were violent protests, and marches with hateful signs. With the exception of a few isolated cases, it seems to me that it’s about the same now as it was then. Plus it just makes more sense to me that the far left isn’t going to be as violent, because usually the far left isn’t that into guns.

173 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:06:58pm

I think people are jumping to the assumption that I’m whitewashing the rhetoric used by politicians of both stripes for the recent examples of brick throwing and anger issues, I’m not. Not all the people involved in throwing bricks, vandalizing grills, and egg throwing are “crazy” but the pentagon shooter and the YouTube threatener are obviously off their rocker.

174 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:07:06pm

re: #158 cliffster

Listen to the mandolin rain
Listen to the music on the lake
Listen to my heart break, every time she runs away

Listen to the banjo wind -
sad song, drifting low
Listen to my tears roll down my face as she turns to go

You OK? /

175 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:07:55pm

re: #165 darthstar

When you say diary, or blog site, does making a fantasy movie in which you show GWB being assassinated count?

176 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:08:44pm

re: #132 ckb

Charles,

My best recollection on one of your posts on this subject says that there was no reason to think that the bullet attack on Cantor’s office was targetting it. Indeed, it appeared true as even the police report thought it was a stray bullet.

With this man’s direct video statement (that “your office has received my bullets” or somehing to that effect) there is now reason to believe Cantor was targeted. I’m assuming the video with the statement was posted after the the attack was made (might be worth checking). I’m also assuming Cantor was aware of the video when he was talking about the bullet in his office.

Does not follow.

That bullet could not have been targeted - the physics do not permit that conclusion.

If the vid was posted after the “attack”, the guy was obviously seizing on a fortuitous incident and claiming credit for something that had nothing to do with him. Piggybacking, in other words.

I’m sorry, but you can’t fire a bullet into the air and have it land on the window of a specific building, much less a specific office. And that bullet was a sky-shot.

Way to reach for the sky, though.

177 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:09:05pm

re: #166 Charles

And by the way, on the continuum of crazy, Leboon is dangling off the edge by his fingernails. In some of the videos he looks heavily self-medicated too.

And Bedell had completely fallen off that edge.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:09:25pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

My BFF from high school had bad luck with roommates for some reason. We thought the Pakistani kid in college was a problem—she threw stuff at T., and told her that at home she was allowed to hit the servants—and she had a thing for getting drunk at parties, coming home wasted and then waking up T. and trying to get her to convert to Islam. (Note to any blossoming missionaries out there: “Accept my faith, or I’ll puke on you,” is not all that effective as an argument.)

Then there was the Saudi kid. We called the cops about him, which successfully got him moved out of the apartment. I don’t think he wanted to explain to his dad that he lost his student visa because he got into a staredown with an American girl and lost.

You can see why she bought a condo.

179 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:09:40pm

re: #172 robdouth

That’s a good point, but there were violent protests, and marches with hateful signs. With the exception of a few isolated cases, it seems to me that it’s about the same now as it was then. Plus it just makes more sense to me that the far left isn’t going to be as violent, because usually the far left isn’t that into guns.

Yes, but this is America, and one shouldn’t stereotype. I’m a progressive liberal tree-hugging pacifist, and I have guns. And believe me, if I ever got to the point where I was thinking about using them on another human (won’t ever happen), I certainly wouldn’t be stupid enough to rant about my intentions online.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:10:07pm

re: #159 robdouth

Don’t most bullets go somewhere around where they are aimed. Was he that bad a shot?

Read the police report.

181 cliffster  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:10:41pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

You OK? /

Ahhhh, just a little sentimental on a spring day…

ok, sentimentality over. fuck off, everybody

182 Jimmah  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:11:30pm

Sorry I’ve not been posting much since I got to NYC - I’ve been busy! Among other pleasant activities, I’ve been working on a few creative projects. Here’s one of them - iceweasel’s next avatar :

Image: jimmahicesexromp.jpg

We’re off now to do some shopping and catch a movie - hope you all have a happy passover :)

183 Kragar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:12:20pm

re: #181 cliffster

Ahhh, just a little sentimental on a spring day…

ok, sentimentality over. fuck off, everybody

And a merry fuck of the morning to you to Cliffster!

184 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:12:23pm

re: #175 robdouth

When you say diary, or blog site, does making a fantasy movie in which you show GWB being assassinated count?

That was a British production…take it up with them. I can barely keep up with the responsibility for explaining the actions of the entire left-wing population of the United States.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:12:28pm

re: #175 robdouth

When you say diary, or blog site, does making a fantasy movie in which you show GWB being assassinated count?

That piece of shit was made out of country, and therefore is really only part of our national dialogue to the degree that it was embraced by anyone here.

Comments?

186 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:12:50pm

re: #182 Jimmah

I like the Yooper comment.

187 cliffster  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:13:12pm

re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And a merry fuck of the morning to you to Cliffster!

I like a good morning f… oh never mind

188 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:13:24pm

re: #176 Cato the Elder

Does not follow.

That bullet could not have been targeted - the physics do not permit that conclusion.

If the vid was posted after the “attack”, the guy was obviously seizing on a fortuitous incident and claiming credit for something that had nothing to do with him. Piggybacking, in other words.

I’m sorry, but you can’t fire a bullet into the air and have it land on the window of a specific building, much less a specific office. And that bullet was a sky-shot.

Way to reach for the sky, though.

I would have thought an old Roman who had lived through so much history would be familiar with clout archery. It isn’t practiced much anymore; too hard to find a large enough range in most areas.

Assuming that’s what you’re referring to. All I heard was that the bullet entered in such a way as to suggest it came from above. I never did hear if it was somehow lobbed in from a great distance, or was fired from a high vantage point nearer the office.

189 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:13:38pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder


Later on when he forced me to evict him I had to lawfully enter the apartment in his absence. Discovered that his “mathematical work” consisted of notebooks full of whacko proofs that the Koran is the true word of God based on its uncanny use of the number 19. This is a very common obsession with Islamic nutjobs. Kinda like off-the-rails English professors proving by anagram that Shakespeare wrote Bacon’s works, who wrote Shakespeare’s.

Good times!

I seem to remember that much of Louis Farrakhan’s speech at the Million Man March involved a lot of numerology based on the number 19. Was your roomie incident around the same time?

190 keloyd  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:13:42pm

re: #152 marjoriemoon

The same thing happened when I was chatting with some grad student friends, all teaching, and I got my first Mongolian students, actually the first Mongolians I had ever seen in my life.

I called them “Mongols” as in “the Mongol horde”. Then I was corrected by this sanctimonious, timid lily-white colleague I never really even liked - no no no it’s “Mongolian”.

Whatever they’re called, one of them was the smartest student that semester, highest average grade among ~120 students and had a perfect score, not just A’s but not one single question missed until the final. All that harsh environment and kidnapping nubile, healthy women must have done wonders for the gene pool.

191 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:13:56pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

That piece of shit was made out of country, and therefore is really only part of our national dialogue to the degree that it was embraced by anyone here.

Comments?

This’ll never go away, will it?

192 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:14:15pm

re: #169 marjoriemoon

No. I probably could be when my garden’s in full swing, but I’m a biologist, so I just say, “eh, we got the teeth and the enzymes, so, let’s eat meat.”

I started paying attention to what I was eating when I was pregnant, though, and have changed my eating habits radically since then (Jaime Oliver was too late - I beat him to the unprocessed foods/organic things meme.)

I just get real tired real quick of us slowly poisoning ourselves.

193 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:14:52pm

re: #167 The Sanity Inspector

It was actually a move back, recovering “progressive” from an earlier political era. It eventually succumbed to creeping irony, and “liberal” was adopted. It, too, met the same fate by the end of the Reagan years. Now here we are back again with “progressive”.

Myself, I’d rather stick with liberal, so that I can accommodate liberals’ wish to not be conflated with leftists. “Progressive” has been a stalking horse for much leftist mischief over the years, and is thus harder to define in practical terms.

I was guilty of judging capitalism by its operations and socialism by its hopes and aspirations; capitalism by its works and socialism by its literature.
— Sidney Hook

Well I did not know that! The History of the Word, Progressive.

But why don’t liberals want to be conflated with leftists? Isn’t that what we are? We ain’t righties.

I used to have such a problem with the two words, but now I just assume they are umbrella terms. Saying I’m a Liberal or I’m a Conservative really means which side of the spectrum MOSTLY defines you. Certainly not everything you believe in. There are liberals like me who support a tougher foreign policy and there are conservatives out there who support abortion. I use it as a jumping off point, but I try not to hold anyone to a preconceived idea until I investigate further.

194 gamark  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:15:20pm

re: #172 robdouth

Plus it just makes more sense to me that the far left isn’t going to be as violent, because usually the far left isn’t that into guns.

It doesn’t make good sense at all. Most violent crimes do not involve firearms.

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:15:34pm

re: #182 Jimmah

Sorry I’ve not been posting much since I got to NYC - I’ve been busy! Among other pleasant activities, I’ve been working on a few creative projects. Here’s one of them - iceweasel’s next avatar :

[Link: i238.photobucket.com…]

We’re off now to do some shopping and catch a movie - hope you all have a happy passover :)

LMAO! Thanks, I needed that. They’re doing work at my building and its hard for me to call back recruiters right now because of the noise.

196 albusteve  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:16:00pm

re: #189 The Sanity Inspector

I seem to remember that much of Louis Farrakhan’s speech at the Million Man March involved a lot of numerology based on the number 19. Was your roomie incident around the same time?

“I can shoot a sparrow
with a bow and arrow”

197 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:16:01pm

re: #159 robdouth

Don’t most bullets go somewhere around where they are aimed. Was he that bad a shot?

Well, given the fact that he lives in Philadelphia, PA, and I’m guessing his bus pass doesn’t cover trips to FUCKING VIRGINIA, my guess is he was just talking out his ass about the bullets being his (and, as we know now, there was only one bullet, and it hit a different office—not Cantor’s).

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:16:02pm

re: #190 keloyd

The same thing happened when I was chatting with some grad student friends, all teaching, and I got my first Mongolian students, actually the first Mongolians I had ever seen in my life.

I called them “Mongols” as in “the Mongol horde”. Then I was corrected by this sanctimonious, timid lily-white colleague I never really even liked - no no no it’s “Mongolian”.

Whatever they’re called, one of them was the smartest student that semester, highest average grade among ~120 students and had a perfect score, not just A’s but not one single question missed until the final. All that harsh environment and kidnapping nubile, healthy women must have done wonders for the gene pool.

I had Mongolian kids in my classes back when I taught ESL. I loved them, loved the parents. The obsession with Genghis Khan takes some getting used to…not kidding…but really nice folks.

199 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:16:26pm

re: #191 JasonA

This’ll never go away, will it?

Nope!

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:16:42pm

re: #191 JasonA

This’ll never go away, will it?

No.

201 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:16:51pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

That piece of shit was made out of country, and therefore is really only part of our national dialogue to the degree that it was embraced by anyone here.

Comments?

Yes.
The fact that it was made out of the country, what, makes it OK?

It exists, regardless of where it was made.

I understand we’re tired of the, Oh, but hey -don’t look at what’s going on now, look at what happened before -

but was surprised to see this response from you.

202 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:17:26pm

re: #182 Jimmah

Sorry I’ve not been posting much since I got to NYC - I’ve been busy! Among other pleasant activities, I’ve been working on a few creative projects. Here’s one of them - iceweasel’s next avatar :

[Link: i238.photobucket.com…]

We’re off now to do some shopping and catch a movie - hope you all have a happy passover :)

LOL Oh no you didn’t! LOL

203 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:18:02pm

re: #159 robdouth

Don’t most bullets go somewhere around where they are aimed. Was he that bad a shot?

A. He did not shoot the bullet, he is a nut

B. The police have already used Teh!Science (and math) to decide that the bullet (which did not go though Cantor’s office that is outside his district and has no sign on it but went thought he window of another office in the building that belongs to some conservative operatives that once or twice Cantor had small fund raising meetings in) was shot up into the air and just happened to fall through the window it managed to hit.

204 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:18:05pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

The obsession with Genghis Khan takes some getting used to…not kidding…but really nice folks.

Don’t know why but it struck me funny.

KHAN!

205 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:18:16pm

re: #182 Jimmah

Sorry I’ve not been posting much since I got to NYC - I’ve been busy! Among other pleasant activities, I’ve been working on a few creative projects. Here’s one of them - iceweasel’s next avatar :

[Link: i238.photobucket.com…]

We’re off now to do some shopping and catch a movie - hope you all have a happy passover :)

The Sun, hmm… If you’ve made a pic of her dressed up as a Page 3 Girl, I hope you have it well secured! You know how pictures can leak.
/ :)

206 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:18:31pm

re: #201 reine.de.tout

Yes.
The fact that it was made out of the country, what, makes it OK?

It exists, regardless of where it was made.

I understand we’re tired of the, Oh, but hey -don’t look at what’s going on now, look at what happened before -

but was surprised to see this response from you.

She never said it was okay, but it’s using it against the American Left is somewhat unfair, no?

207 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:19:00pm

re: #192 abbyadams

No. I probably could be when my garden’s in full swing, but I’m a biologist, so I just say, “eh, we got the teeth and the enzymes, so, let’s eat meat.”

I started paying attention to what I was eating when I was pregnant, though, and have changed my eating habits radically since then (Jaime Oliver was too late - I beat him to the unprocessed foods/organic things meme.)

I just get real tired real quick of us slowly poisoning ourselves.

I know, but it’s so convenient. Isn’t that a horrible thing to say.

So what’s the real deal on Splenda. I’ve heard good and bad.

208 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:19:27pm

re: #201 reine.de.tout

It makes sense to me. It’s a move that no-one in the US left is in the least bit responsible for, and I haven’t seen anyone in the US left of any importance promoting it or legitimizing it.

209 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:19:45pm

re: #184 darthstar

That was a British production…take it up with them. I can barely keep up with the responsibility for explaining the actions of the entire left-wing population of the United States.

Be a good World Citizen, and try harder!
/

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:20:46pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

I had Mongolian kids in my classes back when I taught ESL. I loved them, loved the parents. The obsession with Genghis Khan takes some getting used to…not kidding…but really nice folks.

Also, the names were awesome, and I had fun messing with the office. They’d call. “Can you send down Am….Amga….Amgal…?”

“Amgalanbaatar Equallyhardlastname? Sure, just a minute.” Pause. “Oh, by the way, we just call him Ama.”

211 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:22:18pm

re: #132 ckb

Charles,

My best recollection on one of your posts on this subject says that there was no reason to think that the bullet attack on Cantor’s office was targetting it. Indeed, it appeared true as even the police report thought it was a stray bullet.

With this man’s direct video statement (that “your office has received my bullets” or somehing to that effect) there is now reason to believe Cantor was targeted. I’m assuming the video with the statement was posted after the the attack was made (might be worth checking). I’m also assuming Cantor was aware of the video when he was talking about the bullet in his office.

The police statement said the bullet had been fired into the air and struck the windowsill on the way down.

A more likely explanation, assuming that the police statement was accurate (and I’m sure they tried to make it as accurate as possible, it was a high profile story), is that Leboon decided to take credit for the incident after seeing the news reports, and that he actually had nothing to do with it at all.

212 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:23:00pm

re: #144 darthstar

This dipshit …

Watch your mouth.

213 abbyadams  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:23:13pm

re: #207 marjoriemoon

I avoid all artificial sweeteners, but that’s in part because I don’t like the taste (I include HFCS in there, too, but that stuff’s just nasty for you.) However, my mom’s a type one diabetic and therefore, it’s better for her to eat the Splenda than real sugar.

I think it has to be based on everyone’s lifestyle - I’d say moderation, always, in all things.

Have you tried stevia?

214 cliffster  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:23:15pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

Do they really have a spot? The Mayan tour guide on a trip to Chichen Itza said that they were descended from Mongolians, who have a spot on their back, and all Mayans do too, when they’re young. A Mongolian spot. I want one.

215 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:25:18pm

re: #188 SixDegrees

I would have thought an old Roman who had lived through so much history would be familiar with clout archery. It isn’t practiced much anymore; too hard to find a large enough range in most areas.

Assuming that’s what you’re referring to. All I heard was that the bullet entered in such a way as to suggest it came from above. I never did hear if it was somehow lobbed in from a great distance, or was fired from a high vantage point nearer the office.

It wasn’t “lobbed in” - it was a sky-shot that happened to land where it did.

And it was not fired from a high vantage point close by. That would have involved significant impact.

When you fire a gun into the air, the bullet quickly reaches maximum velocity and then follows a roughly parabolic trajectory back to earth. Gravity takes over, the bullet reaches its highest possible altitude, pauses for a second to spin around in frustration at not hitting anything, then drops to the ground at the same rate as a pebble of the same size and mass dropped from a similar height, except that there is still the original trajectory involved, so it doesn’t fall straight down.

The one that went into the office had about the same kinetic energy as a small stone - enough to break a windowpane, bounced off the blinds, and land on the floor about a foot from the wall. This is all part of the police report.

But it matters not - the wingnutosphere will be calling this a deadly, targeted attack until the Rapture.

216 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:25:36pm

re: #133 darthstar

The GOP isn’t responsible for the actions of any right wing extremist. They are, however, contributing to the paranoid rhetoric that drives these right wing extremists, and they don’t seem to care that they may be influencing those in society who may have a lack of mental balance which could lead them to actually follow through and take literally the likes of Bachmann (‘we need to be armed’) or Palin (‘don’t retreat, RELOAD!’).

Of course, one could also say that the radical Imams in the middle east aren’t responsible for the actions of Muslim extremists…but that would be drawing a parallel that makes some Americans uncomfortable with the leaders they support.

Would you then say that the GOP is in some way partially responsible for encouraging domestic, unbalanced, right-wing, Muslim extremists, like for instance the Ft. Hood shooter or the panty bomber, to act out their terrorist fantasies?

217 Mark Pennington  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:26:33pm

Most of these teabagging clowns are just talk. Yeah, a few of them might be crazy enough to try something, but most of them don’t have the balls to do anything more than strap a gun to their hip and pretend to be badasses.
Hell, if Glen Beck were ever to face enemy fire, he’d shit his pants so fast his intestines would come flying out of his ass. The militia’s are worrisome though.

218 keloyd  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:26:51pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, the names were awesome, and I had fun messing with the office. They’d call. “Can you send down Am…Amga…Amgal…?”

“Amgalanbaatar Equallyhardlastname? Sure, just a minute.” Pause. “Oh, by the way, we just call him Ama.”

We had a Thai student with a name about 30 letters long shorten it to K.K. That must be a record.

That’s totally how the Mongol’s names looked. I suspect Klingon was created with one eye on Mongolian (and the other on Japanese Bushido Samauri code). One of the girls I chatted up a little mentioned they don’t even do surnames. Everyone just has one impenetrable name. She just put her dad’s only name as last name on the govt and school forms.

KAAHHNN! /

219 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:27:02pm

re: #208 Obdicut

It makes sense to me. It’s a move that no-one in the US left is in the least bit responsible for, and I haven’t seen anyone in the US left of any importance promoting it or legitimizing it.

It was available for viewing here. I would take issue with your “no one in the US left” had anything to do with it.

but point taken that no one of any importance promoted it.

220 gamark  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:27:27pm

re: #211 Charles

The police statement said the bullet had been fired into the air and struck the windowsill on the way down.

The police said it “appeared” that was the case. It wasn’t a statement of absolute fact as has been portrayed by many citing the report. Just the most likely (in the report writer’s opinion), but not necessarily the only explanation. Any idea what the type of bullet it was?

221 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:28:14pm

re: #216 Spare O’Lake

Would you then say that the GOP is in some way partially responsible for encouraging domestic, unbalanced, right-wing, Muslim extremists, like for instance the Ft. Hood shooter or the panty bomber, to act out their terrorist fantasies?

I don’t believe the GOP called for the killing of American troops. I do, however, believe a certain Imam did call for such activity, and that would be the person who more than likely inspired the Ft. Hood shooter. You came close to understanding the parallel though…that’s good.

222 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:28:19pm

re: #193 marjoriemoon

Well I did not know that! The History of the Word, Progressive.

But why don’t liberals want to be conflated with leftists? Isn’t that what we are? We ain’t righties.

I used to have such a problem with the two words, but now I just assume they are umbrella terms. Saying I’m a Liberal or I’m a Conservative really means which side of the spectrum MOSTLY defines you. Certainly not everything you believe in. There are liberals like me who support a tougher foreign policy and there are conservatives out there who support abortion. I use it as a jumping off point, but I try not to hold anyone to a preconceived idea until I investigate further.

Eye of the beholder, I guess. Many among present company self-identify as liberals, and resent being conflated with leftists. So, in some people’s minds, there is a distinction between the two.

223 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:28:42pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

I had Mongolian kids in my classes back when I taught ESL. I loved them, loved the parents. The obsession with Genghis Khan takes some getting used to…not kidding…but really nice folks.

Genghis Khan was not all bad. See the movie “Mongol”. It doesn’t sugar-coat him, but you will come away with a much better understanding of who he was in the context of his times.

And it’s much better made and more engrossing than most Hollywood action-adventure pics today. Warning: shot in Mongolian, with subtitles.

224 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:30:49pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

I like Thai names for that. Like Tamara Chattanattadarang.

Or her couisn, Bhang Phat Bootysak.

225 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:32:20pm

re: #213 abbyadams

I avoid all artificial sweeteners, but that’s in part because I don’t like the taste (I include HFCS in there, too, but that stuff’s just nasty for you.) However, my mom’s a type one diabetic and therefore, it’s better for her to eat the Splenda than real sugar.

I think it has to be based on everyone’s lifestyle - I’d say moderation, always, in all things.

Have you tried stevia?

Stevia? I have not. I must say, I drink quite a bit of Splenda. I long ago gave up aluminum (cooking and canned food) so no canned soda. Then we went to soda in plastic and pretty much gave that up too, but now I do diet drink mixes and they all have Splenda. Coffee (with splenda). It’s bad huh.

226 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:32:38pm

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Without Ghengis Kahn, we’d be a couple hundred years behind technologically. They didn’t invent squat, but they popularized and even industrialized the ideas they found.

227 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:33:40pm

re: #224 Obdicut

SMACK!

228 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:34:27pm

re: #225 marjoriemoon

I find Stevia a bit tough…it’s just too sweet. Even if you add just a minute amount.

229 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:34:59pm

re: #145 Charles

The vast majority of the people called “crazy” by political commentators are not really crazy at all, are they?

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:35:42pm

re: #201 reine.de.tout

Yes.
The fact that it was made out of the country, what, makes it OK?

It exists, regardless of where it was made.

I understand we’re tired of the, Oh, but hey -don’t look at what’s going on now, look at what happened before -

but was surprised to see this response from you.

Please note how I described it.

I was infuriated that the movie was made. I was angry with the people who made it.

But it has been thrown over and over and over in the face of the American left, who overwhelmingly did not see it or promote it—I know no one who saw it, or was even vaguely happy about it—and it’s been described as a ‘Hollywood’ movie on this forum many times.

If people are going to keep bringing it up, I’d like them to explain what it means to them.

231 What, me worry?  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:35:52pm

re: #228 darthstar

I find Stevia a bit tough…it’s just too sweet. Even if you add just a minute amount.

Splenda is pretty sweet. Maybe I’ll give Stevia a try. Now I’m intrigued lol

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:37:26pm

re: #214 cliffster

Do they really have a spot? The Mayan tour guide on a trip to Chichen Itza said that they were descended from Mongolians, who have a spot on their back, and all Mayans do too, when they’re young. A Mongolian spot. I want one.

I have no idea. When teachers go around pulling up the shirts of middle-school-aged students, it tends not to go well.

//Honestly, dunno.

233 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:37:27pm

re: #221 darthstar

I don’t believe the GOP called for the killing of American troops. I do, however, believe a certain Imam did call for such activity, and that would be the person who more than likely inspired the Ft. Hood shooter. You came close to understanding the parallel though…that’s good.

Right. And I don’t believe the GOP called for anyone to commit any illegal acts. Get it?

234 darthstar  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:37:59pm

re: #229 Spare O’Lake

The vast majority of the people called “crazy” by political commentators are not really crazy at all, are they?

Don’t ask Charles…that guy’s fuckin’ crazy!
/

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:38:15pm

re: #216 Spare O’Lake

Would you then say that the GOP is in some way partially responsible for encouraging domestic, unbalanced, right-wing, Muslim extremists, like for instance the Ft. Hood shooter or the panty bomber, to act out their terrorist fantasies?

Panty bomber wasn’t domestic.

236 Mark Pennington  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:38:33pm

re: #230 SanFranciscoZionist

Please note how I described it.

I was infuriated that the movie was made. I was angry with the people who made it.

But it has been thrown over and over and over in the face of the American left, who overwhelmingly did not see it or promote it—I know no one who saw it, or was even vaguely happy about it—and it’s been described as a ‘Hollywood’ movie on this forum many times.

If people are going to keep bringing it up, I’d like them to explain what it means to them.

My dad throws this movie in my face all the time and I’d never even heard of it until I googled it. If I had not checked, I would have believed him saying it was a Hollywood film.

237 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:39:27pm

re: #230 SanFranciscoZionist

Please note how I described it.

I was infuriated that the movie was made. I was angry with the people who made it.

But it has been thrown over and over and over in the face of the American left, who overwhelmingly did not see it or promote it—I know no one who saw it, or was even vaguely happy about it—and it’s been described as a ‘Hollywood’ movie on this forum many times.

If people are going to keep bringing it up, I’d like them to explain what it means to them.

Myself a Liberal, learned about it here on LGF, during one of the many tu quoque events.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:39:28pm

re: #218 keloyd

We had a Thai student with a name about 30 letters long shorten it to K.K. That must be a record.

That’s totally how the Mongol’s names looked. I suspect Klingon was created with one eye on Mongolian (and the other on Japanese Bushido Samauri code). One of the girls I chatted up a little mentioned they don’t even do surnames. Everyone just has one impenetrable name. She just put her dad’s only name as last name on the govt and school forms.

KAAHHNN! /

Some of the kids did that, and others seemed to have family names.

The language is actually very pretty when you hear it spoken. I thought it would sound more like Chinese, but it’s not tonal like that.

239 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:39:42pm

re: #234 darthstar

Don’t ask Charles…that guy’s fuckin’ crazy!
/

Ich bin ein crazy.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:40:49pm

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Genghis Khan was not all bad. See the movie “Mongol”. It doesn’t sugar-coat him, but you will come away with a much better understanding of who he was in the context of his times.

And it’s much better made and more engrossing than most Hollywood action-adventure pics today. Warning: shot in Mongolian, with subtitles.

He’s a national hero in a very real and present way to modern Mongolians. I found it interesting.

May check out the movie.

241 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:41:32pm

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Genghis Khan was not all bad. See the movie “Mongol”. It doesn’t sugar-coat him, but you will come away with a much better understanding of who he was in the context of his times.

And it’s much better made and more engrossing than most Hollywood action-adventure pics today. Warning: shot in Mongolian, with subtitles.

I learned all I need to know about Khan, and commies, from this clip:

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:42:40pm

re: #230 SanFranciscoZionist

Please note how I described it.

I was infuriated that the movie was made. I was angry with the people who made it.

But it has been thrown over and over and over in the face of the American left, who overwhelmingly did not see it or promote it—I know no one who saw it, or was even vaguely happy about it—and it’s been described as a ‘Hollywood’ movie on this forum many times.

If people are going to keep bringing it up, I’d like them to explain what it means to them.

Yes yes yes yes a million times yes

243 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:43:17pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

Panty bomber wasn’t domestic.

Right you are. It was a domestic target.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:43:19pm

re: #237 Stanley Sea

Myself a Liberal, learned about it here on LGF, during one of the many tu quoque events.

I read about it at the time. never figured out what the point was supposed to be, it was just CREEPY.

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:46:26pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

I read about it at the time. never figured out what the point was supposed to be, it was just CREEPY.

Was it the sort of thing that a guy watches, who listens to dusty Coast to Coast recordings, surrounded by issues of Fortean Times, popping health supplements to make sure “they” aren’t in his bloodstream?

246 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:47:39pm

re: #245 WindUpBird

Was it the sort of thing that a guy watches, who listens to dusty Coast to Coast recordings, surrounded by issues of Fortean Times, popping health supplements to make sure “they” aren’t in his bloodstream?

Fortean Times! Thank you for that reminder, its been awhile since I’ve had some fun reading.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:47:42pm

Reine, I hope that explains a little where I’m coming from on this. I certainly don’t want to portray the movie as OK in any way. I just don’t think that it reflects on liberal America as a whole, any more than the European schmucks Geller and Spencer are hanging with reflect on conservative America.

248 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:49:08pm

re: #226 Obdicut

Without Ghengis Kahn, we’d be a couple hundred years behind technologically. They didn’t invent squat, but they popularized and even industrialized the ideas they found.

Those of them that they didn’t destroy…

Man’s greatest good fortune is to chase and defeat his enemy,
seize his total possessions, leave his married women weeping and
wailing, ride his gelding, use the bodies of his women as a nightshirt
and support, gazing upon and kissing their rosy breasts, sucking their
lips which are as sweet as the berries of their breasts.
— attrib. Genghis Khan

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:50:07pm

re: #246 Stanley Sea

Fortean Times! Thank you for that reminder, its been awhile since I’ve had some fun reading.

They’re great if you find a stash of them in a used book store. Timeless wackiness. :D

250 ShaunP  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:52:11pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Reine, I hope that explains a little where I’m coming from on this. I certainly don’t want to portray the movie as OK in any way. I just don’t think that it reflects on liberal America as a whole, any more than the European schmucks Geller and Spencer are hanging with reflect on conservative America.

Funny thing; I have no idea what you guys are talking about!

251 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:53:19pm

re: #248 The Sanity Inspector

It’s a false quote. And yeah, he conquered lots of places. So did nearly everyone else, back then. However, after the Mogol conquered a country, they brought religious freedom, postal service, schools, and a host of other things.

This is really only the beginning of scholarship on the Mongols, with the rediscovery and translation of the Secret History.

252 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:54:14pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

I read about it at the time. never figured out what the point was supposed to be, it was just CREEPY.

Death of a President
Yeah, not something the left was clamoring to see.
Most reviews, even from some pretty “a good movie is a good movie no matter how offensive” review sites said the “faux documentary” was so boring. So boring.
But, no one will actually see Death of a President. And it’s not because politicians have preemptively scared us away with their self-righteous, pandering bullshit about the shocking nature of the film. And it’s not because the large theater chains have refused to screen it in their multiplexes, though most of them have. It’s because — aside from a few radical liberals with wish-fulfillment issues — no one really wants to watch a movie where George Bush gets assassinated, especially this film. In fact, I can almost guarantee that most of those who criticize Death of a President won’t actually see it, because if they did, they’d probably fall asleep halfway through. The truth is, Death of a President — a movie NewMarket Films wasted $1 million to buy — is remarkably dull.

I hated Bush.
But I have no desire to see a movie that imagines him being killed.
Ever.
And I’m pretty sure most liberals I know feel the same way.

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:55:00pm

re: #250 ShaunP

They’re talking about the movie Death of a President. The reason you haven’t heard anything about it is it grossed almost nothing worldwide. So not only did American liberals not have anything to do with making it, they didn’t have anything to do with seeing it. :D

254 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:56:22pm

re: #252 webevintage

Just stick it on the shelf next to Loose Change :D

255 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 12:58:53pm

re: #253 WindUpBird

They’re talking about the movie Death of a President. The reason you haven’t heard anything about it is it grossed almost nothing worldwide. So not only did American liberals not have anything to do with making it, they didn’t have anything to do with seeing it. :D

But it’s the chain around our neck.

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:00:24pm

re: #255 Stanley Sea

But it’s the chain around our neck.

Eh, the only place I hear about it nowadays is on blogs by the usual gotcha commenters who don’t have their facts right. I’ll just continue to use it as an opportunity to make fun of people who try and bring it up ;-)

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:01:55pm

Did Reine go away? I didn’t mean to upset Reine.

258 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:02:29pm

re: #256 WindUpBird

Eh, the only place I hear about it nowadays is on blogs by the usual gotcha commenters who don’t have their facts right. I’ll just continue to use it as an opportunity to make fun of people who try and bring it up ;-)

Well, we’ve come to the right place then.

Don’t mean to be negative when there’s a beautiful open enrollment thread, but shit.

259 Mournie  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:05:52pm

The liberal loons were just as wacky when Bush was President. It was wrong then and its wrong now. No matter who is being targeted. But it interesting to watch the left trying to take the high road and media down playing the Cantor incident. If it was a democrat the news reports would be different.

260 Mark Pennington  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:12:08pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

Did Reine go away? I didn’t mean to upset Reine.

She’s probably just busy. Reine is awesome and knows that you wouldn’t show her anything but respect.

261 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:13:50pm

re: #259 Mournie

So you didn’t read the headline?

262 webevintage  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:18:31pm

re: #259 Mournie

The liberal loons were just as wacky when Bush was President. It was wrong then and its wrong now. No matter who is being targeted. But it interesting to watch the left trying to take the high road and media down playing the Cantor incident. If it was a democrat the news reports would be different.

WTH?
Do you not pay attention.
There is nothing too the “Cantor incident” except for the threat he got.
That sucks, but he should have waited to do the presser until he read the police report.

263 Mark Pennington  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:21:20pm

I was just sweeping the kitchen floor and noticed a BIG HAIRY FRIGGIN SPIDER sitting along the floor railing for the sliding back door. I thought it may be dead, as it didn’t scurry when I came around, and I didn’t want to hit it with the stick end of the broom, because it was so fat it would splatter.
I nudged it with the broom and it started running toward me, although not as fast as I would have expected, considering it’s size. It freaked me out so I hit it with the broom, causing a mess of course. I was surprised that the spider didn’t run sooner and that it was so slow when it finally did. I then surmised that it may have been pregnant or something. So I looked back to where it had been sitting, and there were AT LEAST 100 BABY FRIGGIN SPIDERS SCATTERING ALL OVER THE FLOOR!!! I did the spastic dance while my wife laughed at me.

264 Buck  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:26:44pm

Don’t have to look far for example of “left wing” threats. Zombie photographed and witnessed many examples.

And those examples have been linked to here, and further documented here.

265 Buck  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:29:00pm

re: #252 webevintage


And I’m pretty sure most liberals I know feel the same way.

No real scotsman would behave that way.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:31:09pm

re: #263 beekiller

Arachnid cluster bomb…

267 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:31:50pm

re: #265 Buck

That’s a completely inappropriate use of the no scotsman fallacy.

268 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:32:04pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

I was in Hawaii the last two weeks. I don’t know anything about anything the past two weeks and I prefer it that way. I don’t really feel like catching up, I was being flippant.

269 ovoid  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:32:09pm

I followed the link and watched about a minute of this fellow’s YouTube froth, as it was too nutty to stomach more. But it did not seem all that different from radical Islam in tone, and even to a degree, in content. One man’s insanity, it would seem, is another man’s religion.

270 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:34:33pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess that is another angle I’d love to mention on whether or not the left hated Bush more than the right hates Obama. Given the anti-Bush thing was a world wide craziness, it seems like it would constitute more hate than Obama, which seems to be localized to only crazies in this country.

271 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:38:40pm

re: #194 gamark

Yeah but a higher percentage of politically motivated violence would include gun violence. Besides, the point is still valid, because if any violent crimes include guns, and one side doesn’t mix well with guns, it’s a reasonable assumption to conclude that there would probably be less violence. Granted if you look at vandalism, that was markedly up during the Bush years v. the Obama years, but that doesn’t classify as violence.

272 Mournie  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:40:35pm

re: #261 Obdicut

yeah..so NOW its news….

273 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:42:18pm

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Personally, I don’t like the term either. I’m fine with liberal.

But as opposed to the others, Prog is rather refreshing, since folks round these parts have a hard time typing D E M O C R A T. Must be too many letters.

What about Republican? That must have too many letters also. I think the term used in Sunday’s overnight thread was “Suck it, Repukes.”

274 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:43:17pm

re: #272 Mournie

yeah..so NOW its news…

What are you talking about? It was news before.

275 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:44:18pm

re: #201 reine.de.tout

Just to clarify, I’ve never been of the school of thought of “don’t look at what is happening now, look at what happened then.” I always preface with the point that what’s happening now is bad. I usually just don’t buy into the highly subjective and almost always dominated by worldview point that now is worse then then. You ask someone sympathetic to Obama’s policies which was worse, they’ll say now is worse. Someone more sympathetic to Bush’s will say then was worse. I tend to think it’s the same, and the only difference is that it’s the party that is out of power that does it. For example, if the Republicans were to win, they would moderate. It’s what the Democrats have had to do since winning, even if so many of them took a much harder left message against Bush a couple years ago. Power seems to have a moderating effect on the winning party. Losing seems to have an extreme-ing effect on the loser. It’s just that as we progress through time, what’s considered over the line seems to creep back further and further.

276 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:50:18pm

re: #259 Mournie

I understand the sentiment, but the facts don’t bear you out. I agree that it seems like the vitriolic hatred of Bush is now downplayed and shelved as just petty anger, but this new Obama anger is much worse because A and B and C. It seems disingenuous to me, because most of the anger, just like during Bush’s years was directed at policy disagreements. The stuff that is personal is just like the common shots of Bush as either stupid or a puppet/chimp/etc. It really depends on which one you agree with more as to which you’ll find worse.

277 Lidane  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

I won’t use it. I am not a progressive. Progressives know I am not a progressive.

Same here, especially because progressive and liberal are two different things. I’m not going to call myself something I’m not. I’m a liberal.

278 Mournie  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:51:52pm

re: #274 Obdicut

this is what I read here previously:

And now we learn, from the official police statement, that Republican Rep. Eric Cantor’s claim that his Richmond office was targeted by someone who fired a bullet through the window turns out to be completely false.

279 Lidane  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:53:18pm

re: #273 Silvergirl

I never liked that. I knew some folks that used “Rethug” as their pejorative of choice, and I thought it was silly.

I make a distinction between conservatives and Republicans because they’re not necessarily the same thing, but I’m going to use those terms. IMO, using something like prog, or repuke, or rethug, or whatever just gets in the way.

280 Mark Pennington  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:55:49pm

re: #279 Lidane

I never liked that. I knew some folks that used “Rethug” as their pejorative of choice, and I thought it was silly.

I make a distinction between conservatives and Republicans because they’re not necessarily the same thing, but I’m going to use those terms. IMO, using something like prog, or repuke, or rethug, or whatever just gets in the way.

That is one of my major pet peeves. I cannot stand to read sites where terms like libtards, rethuglicans etc. are used. Annoys the hell out of me because it is so childish.

281 Mournie  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 1:56:40pm

re: #276 robdouth

I don’t find any of it amusing. There’s nuts on both sides. To the degree of vitriol I suspect you’re right. And I couldn’t agree more: It really does depend on who you agree with more where you find the greater offense.

282 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:00:41pm

re: #281 Mournie

Why are you framing things in terms of ‘offense’?

283 bratwurst  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:10:36pm

re: #225 marjoriemoon

Stevia? I have not.

I would like to recommend “Sun Crystals”, a newish product that is a blend of stevia and pure can sugar…but only 5 calories and one carb per packet. I find it much more palatable (and cheaper!) than the “Truvia” product that hit the shelves a while back.

284 donna quixote  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:14:38pm

Regardless of political leaning, fellow nut cases should protest this flagrant abuse of freedom. Too many of those individuals act upon their emotions. Should confinement to cells be the alternative? It would slightly help the unemployment crisis although the cost per job would probably be pretty high.

285 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:17:49pm

re: #282 Obdicut

The whole thing is based on perspective. With the exception of the very rare incidents of actual violence, vitriolic hate makes sense to be rated by an individual by what they find more offensive. I keep hearing about this atmosphere of hate as if a lot of these words are spurring on dozens of killers. Since you can’t isolate for the atmosphere we live it, we can’t know whether the person would or would not have been incited to violence. If someone is hate-filled at almost any public figure though, they can find a site with like-minded individuals and spit their hatred.

So taking that specific argument of incitement to violence away, Bush or Obama hatred is going to be viewed as worse or not as bad on whichever you find more offensive. That’s basically the way it is with a number of posters on this site, and I think they would admit it. Why do you think that the people who post saying it was worse before are usually Bush supporters or conservatives, and those who say it’s worse now, are usually sympathetic to Obama’s policies, including health care reform.

286 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:20:55pm

re: #285 robdouth

Your contention is false. Plenty of people who don’t like Obama or his policies think that things are worse now.

You’re trying awfully hard to make an equivalence.

287 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:38:45pm

re: #286 Obdicut

No I’m not trying very hard at all. I’m saying the party out of power seems to get crazy and act stupid and make asses of themselves. It happened for 8 years under bush, 8 years before that under Clinton, it will happen for 4-8 years under Obama, and then if another Republican, the Dems will come back and be just as bad.

Again, just because some people who don’t like Obama agree with your position, doesn’t mean my position is wrong. I never said it was fullproof. For some proximity makes it worse. What’s happened recently can seem worse than what happened previously. I’m stating simply that if you agree with Obama, you are more likely to think what’s happening now is worse, and vice versa. I’m sure I could dig up some people who hated agree with Obama who say it was worse then, it doesn’t change the fact that it seems to fall along party lines as to which era people found more hate-filled. Given hate-filled speech is all subjective at some level anyway, we are talking about something that can’t be proven one way or another. I just guarantee that as soon as another Republican’s in office, the right wing will moderate, and the left wing will get crazier. All you have to do is go back and read internet posts all the way back to the 90’s to see.

288 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:41:36pm

re: #287 robdouth

When you say you’re not trying hard, and then post another dense block of text that’s trying really hard, you’re doing it wrong.

289 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:45:24pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Nice you also use basic rhetorical flourishes to manipulate the point. Say your opponent is “working hard” to make a point to create the illusion that it has to be hard work because it’s not obvious. Simplify your responses to single semi-witty retorts and make your side look effortless to further the illusion. Another great tool is to feign outrage at the hateful things being said by posters of XXX.com, or YYY.com about Bush years ago, or Obama now. the greater the outrage, the stronger the case for this being a much worse era of political hatred.

Don’t forget the strawman of pretending that those of us who are making the equivalence are trying to say what is happening now is not as bad, or are trying to distract by simply stating our opinion that it’s the same as it was before, but a different target. That way it looks like we’re indirectly supporting hate-filled speech at Obama, when all I’m actually saying is that they seem the same to me. People daily wishing Bush would FOAD seems pretty much the same as saying to Obama.

290 robdouth  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 2:46:48pm

re: #288 Obdicut

No I have to explain it or you’ll pick one word and make an assinine response like a 4 year old saying: “Why are you framing things in terms of ‘offense’?” while ignoring the point of the post.

291 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:04:55pm

But but but……I thought the allegations that Cantor’s office was hit were “completely false”!!!!!!!!!

tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

292 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:45:02pm

re: #291 Girl with a Pearl Earring

But but but…I thought the allegations that Cantor’s office was hit were “completely false”!!!

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Do you even bother reading your own links? This is the police statement:

A Richmond Police detective was assigned to the case. A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window.

293 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:47:55pm

And for the record, this is what I wrote about it:

And now we learn, from the official police statement, that Republican Rep. Eric Cantor’s claim that his Richmond office was targeted by someone who fired a bullet through the window turns out to be completely false.

His office was not targeted, and no bullet was fired through his office window.

It wasn’t even Cantor’s office window sill that was damaged — it was another office in the same building.

It was a random bullet fired into the air that damaged a window in a building in which Rep. Cantor had an office.

I stand by every word I wrote.

294 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:47:42pm

“Do you even bother reading your own links?”

Yes.


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