Anatomy of a Wingnut Smear

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Glenn Reynolds links to this dishonest post today: Weasel Zippers: Charles Johnson ‘Fairly Sure’ the Tennesee State Flag is a Neo-Nazi Logo…

In the post to which Reynolds links, “Weasel Zippers” took a screenshot of a comment I posted here at LGF, asking if a flag seen in a tea party video might be a neo-Nazi flag — but ignored the comments that followed minutes later in the same thread, in which I clearly concluded that the flag was a Tennessee flag.

This isn’t the first time “Weasel Zippers” has pulled this kind of dishonest trick, either.

These people are so crazy it boggles the mind — and they’re liars too. And notice how neither “Weasel Zippers” nor Glenn Reynolds actually linked to the thread where my comment appeared, because that would let people see for themselves the comments I posted.

I don’t expect Mr. Zippers to retract his lie because this is what he does, but I thought Glenn Reynolds used to care about the truth a little more than this. Will he correct the record?

No, I’m not holding my breath.

UPDATE at 3/31/10 9:42:25 am:

Reynolds updates.

Still no link to LGF, which I must admit is a clever tactic if you’re trying to hide something.

I see that Charles did eventually figure out that it was a Tennessee flag, not some sort of “neo-Nazi” emblem.

In this case, “eventually” is defined as about ten minutes later.

But, you know, seeing neo-Nazis behind every bush deserves a bit of mockery. The Tea Party movement is not a neo-Nazi front, however much some might wish to make it so.

Hmm. Is there any special reason why it might be reasonable to consider the possibility of a neo-Nazi flag at this particular rally? (The claim that I said “the Tea Party movement is a neo-Nazi front” is a ludicrous straw man argument, as I’m sure law professor Reynolds is well aware.)

Oh, that’s right — this just happened to be the demonstration at which tea partiers yelled the “N” word at Representatives Lewis and Emanuel, and spit at Rep. Emanuel. I guess Glenn Reynolds “forgot” that little bit of context.

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128 comments

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:27:53pm

Charles, IMHO you are the best. You call out other "wingnuts" and they, predictably have "no response". Keep up the good work!

Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:28:14pm

Now would be the time for any socks or trolls who slipped through registration today to step forward. This kind of thing makes Lizards hungry...

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:28:23pm

I think we already know the answer to that question simply by the fact of who he linked to. Sad.

Cineaste Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:28:54pm

But it's true because we want it to be true...

Cineaste Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

Charles, IMHO you are the best. You call out ~~other~~ "wingnuts" and they, predictably have "no response". Keep up the good work!

FTFY

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:30:16pm

re: #2 Cato the Elder

Please, sir, may I have a sock?

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:30:47pm

Oh good grief. Glenn Reynolds doesn't think this photo is racist.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:31:08pm

I don’t expect Mr. Zippers to retract his lie because this is what he does, but I thought Glenn Reynolds used to care about the truth a little more than this. Will he correct the record?

Of course not. He's too busy deflecting for right wing militias who want to assassinate police officers. Probably just about as accurate as his fantasies that Stimulus, TARP and Obamacare will be declared unconstitutional. You'd think that a law professor would have a better understanding of legal issues.

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:31:38pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Good night, all.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:32:12pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

Good night, all.

Later FG.

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:32:14pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Good point. Why should we expect more?

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:33:54pm

re: #2 Cato the Elder

I am hankering for a late night snack. I hear troll meat can be quite tasty.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:37:42pm

I would also like to add that Reynolds has never denounced the White Nationalists who are recruiting at these Tea Parties or his cohort, Michelle Malkin, who writes for the White Nationalist site VDARE. Since nobody in the Tea Party movement has made a meaningful denunciation of the racists, it's perfectly reasonable to speculate about the flags and signs that appear at Tea Parties. Anti-government militias are pretty well accepted in that crowd.

Racer X Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:38:45pm

Batman Has a Drinking Problem

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:39:48pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I would also like to add that Reynolds has never denounced the White Nationalists who are recruiting at these Tea Parties or his cohort, Michelle Malkin, who writes for the White Nationalist site VDARE. Since nobody in the Tea Party movement has made a meaningful denunciation of the racists, it's perfectly reasonable to speculate about the flags and signs that appear at Tea Parties. Anti-government militias are pretty well accepted in that crowd.

Let's put it up on the screen. Some recent stupidity from Glenn "Doughy Pantload" Reynolds:

Instapundit's Glenn Reynolds: Maybe Obama just "hates Jews"
March 27, 2010 1:22 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

Looks like wingnut Pam Geller is getting some company from online Obama haters now suggesting it's "plausible" that the president of the United States is a seething anti-Semite.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:42:44pm

Glenn Reynolds in Fantasyland

Politics %P% Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:00:14 am PST

Amazingly, Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) manages to write a puff piece for the Wall Street Journal about the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville without even mentioning Tom Tancredo’s racist call to bring back literacy tests or Joseph Farah’s Birther/theocrat speech and resulting standing ovation.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:44:52pm

More garbage from Glenn Reynolds:

March 28, 2010

THE TIMING APPEARS CONVENIENT: FBI stages domestic raids.

UPDATE: Thoughts from Dan Riehl. Helping law enforcement with searches? I didn’t realize the Michigan Militia was still around.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Lawprof Tom Smith senses a media spin campaign: “Just wait for the MSM to associate them with ‘tea baggers’ and anybody not wild about health care. It could be something else but it looks like a plausible rumor at this stage. I am not hopeful that any distinctions will be made by our opinion leaders between those who think the Illuminati and the Joooz are running the world and those who think we should not create a debt that is half the size of our GDP. I hope the FBI understands the difference.”

MORE: According to this report, it’s got nothing to do with the Michigan Militia: “The group Hutaree, which has absolutely no connection to the Michigan Militia at all, has gotten into some serious trouble. From what my source has told me, this group was actually making threats towards Islamic groups.” Well, stay tuned. As has been noted here before, early reports on stuff like this are often wrong.

researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:49:25pm

Integrity is a rare quality, not to be confused with popularity.

Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:51:44pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Oh good grief. Glenn Reynolds doesn't think this photo is racist.

Stop being so damned sensitive. Can't you see that the photo is clearly satire?

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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:57:04pm

I just went back and looked at the original post.

The photo was small and the flag was very difficult to make out, and it did look like some of the nazi symbols mentioned (and linked).

And as Killgore said in 13,

Since nobody in the Tea Party movement has made a meaningful denunciation of the racists, it's perfectly reasonable to speculate about the flags and signs that appear at Tea Parties.

But in that original thread, it was very quickly determined to be the state flag of Tennessee and that was made very clear.

I'm stunned at the depth of dishonesty by Weasel Zippers and Glenn Reynolds. Jaw-dropping to the floor . . .

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 9:57:31pm

re: #19 Lidane

Stop being so damned sensitive. Can't you see that the photo is clearly satire?

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Yeah. According to Reynolds if someone stuck a Mexican sombrero on my father's head it wouldn't be racist. We're from Argentina. He's clueless.

Got nothing on Weasel Zippers. Best guess is that he's a pimple faced mouth breathing chickenhawk with his own pseudo anti-Jihadist website that had lunch with Robert Spencer. Two peas in a pod. That in itself shows the caliber of the like of the orbicular Mr. Spencer.

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:00:08pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

In light of past transgressions by these weasels, my jaw isn't dropping. It isn't even surprised.. I wish it were.

swamprat Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:00:58pm

Well, I'll have to take a mulligan on this one.

[deleted] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:01:33pm

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:02:37pm

And we got a bite!

Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:02:53pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Yeah. According to Reynolds if someone stuck a Mexican sombrero on my father's head it wouldn't be racist. We're from Argentina. He's clueless.

Consider the source. Idiots like Reynolds think everyone south of the Rio Grande is Mexican. They're not exactly the brightest bulbs in the box. I'll bet it was a shock when they looked at those census forms they're ignoring and saw more than one choice for Hispanic ethnicity. =P

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:03:18pm

re: #24 loudog

Have a cookie.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:03:57pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I think I was the one who originally started the speculation about the flag when the video first came out. I still feel it was reasonable speculation.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:05:05pm

re: #24 loudog

giving the liberals a free pass for their occasional nutjobs.

Not so, there are countless posts on LGF doing exactly that.

darthstar Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:05:22pm

If they're attacking you like this, you're winning.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:05:27pm

re: #26 Lidane

Consider the source. Idiots like Reynolds think everyone south of the Rio Grande is Mexican. They're not exactly the brightest bulbs in the box. I'll bet it was a shock when they looked at those census forms they're ignoring and saw more than one choice for Hispanic ethnicity. =P

I remember the first time I heard someone say "they speak Mexican." I almost went ballistic.

windhorse Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:06:17pm

re: #31 Gus 802

25,000 comments. Congratulations.....

darthstar Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:06:25pm

re: #24 loudog

Two comments, zero karma...allow me to send you into negative land.

darthstar Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:06:59pm

re: #32 windhorse

25,000 comments. Congratulations...

25,000 exactly...good catch.

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:07:04pm

re: #24 loudog

Um, you don't this know this place very well do you? Charles has gone after the left crazies with a vengeance.

By the way, what kind of seasoning do you like sprinkled on you?

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:07:11pm

Reading the Ron Paul Revolution
by Glenn Harlan Reynolds

....if Fabian Libertarianism is to have a future, it will owe much to the consciousness-raising of the Paul campaign. Socialist candidate Eugene Debs, after all, never got elected President either, but within a few decades much of his platform was adopted by the Democratic Party. May Paul enjoy similar influence on the future of national politics.

Your wish has come true. Idiot.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:07:39pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I think I was the one who originally started the speculation about the flag when the video first came out. I still feel it was reasonable speculation.

I admitted that that was my first reaction when I saw the video. Checked the video out for a few minutes then I gave up. When I saw the still and someone mentioned the state flag of Tennessee I realized that I was wrong. If you look at the video it does seem a lot like a neo-Nazi symbol. Reasonable mistake. Weasel Zippers is a moron.

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:08:48pm

re: #35 Irenicum

Cuz you're lookin' mighty crunchy right now.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:09:09pm

re: #37 Gus 802

I admitted that that was my first reaction when I saw the video. Checked the video out for a few minutes then I gave up. When I saw the still and someone mentioned the state flag of Tennessee I realized that I was wrong. If you look at the video it does seem a lot like a neo-Nazi symbol. Reasonable mistake. Weasel Zippers is a moron.

Agreed. I have no problem admitting that the flag is probably the state flag. I still feel no regret for speculating.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:09:27pm

re: #32 windhorse

25,000 comments. Congratulations...

What do I win! Yipee! Well, my karma ratio is above 1.0. You should see some of the stuff I've deleted. ;)

darthstar Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:09:54pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Here you go...for posterity

freetoken Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:10:30pm

BTW, I didn't see where anybody commented on Palin's Facebook entry where she endorsed three candidates for Congress - two are very young vets, the other is Harpy fav Allen West.

So The Sarah picked two young studs who look good in uniforms (that is not necessarily bad, but just shows how little actual information exists on their positions), and wing nut.

MartiansAteMyCat Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:11:35pm

Because you dared to leave the Right-Wing Land of Ideological Purity™, you're seen as nothing more than a turncoat.

As a result, you're treated as any other right-wing enemy, with smears and lies.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:11:41pm

re: #41 darthstar

Here you go...for posterity

Grazi!

freetoken Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:11:44pm

re: #42 freetoken

PIMF - the last phrase was "and a wingnut". Don't know why I've been dropping "a"s all day long.

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:12:01pm

My favorite ludicrous Glenn Reynolds quote:

But if the ever-so-thin-skinned Barack Obama got one-tenth the abuse that Sarah Palin has gotten, he’d cry like a little girl. And his defenders would scream raaaacciiiiism at the top of their lungs.

Obama has gotten far worse crap than Palin.

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:12:31pm

re: #42 freetoken

I have to tip my hat to Sarah. She is a brilliant woman. It's not her fault that American politics is best played from the sidelines, but she sure is playing it like a fiddle.

Bravo.

darthstar Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:12:35pm

re: #44 Gus 802

Grazi!

The good news is your average is only 50 posts per day (or thereabouts)...so you're not just some crazy loon who sits in his underwear all day on the internets.

Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:13:14pm

re: #31 Gus 802

I remember the first time I heard someone say "they speak Mexican." I almost went ballistic.

I've heard that before. I've also heard people say the most racist, derogatory things about Mexicans and other Hispanics, only to be shocked when they find out I'm Mexican. Since I'm fair-skinned, they assume I'm Italian or maybe even Greek, so they let their guard down and act the fool.

Crap like that doesn't even surprise me anymore. =P

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:13:49pm

re: #46 beekiller

My favorite ludicrous Glenn Reynolds quote:

Obama has gotten far worse crap than Palin.

Jeez. Reality begs to differ, Mr. Reynolds.

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:14:49pm

re: #24 loudog

You said, "I'm fairly sure this is a neo-nazi flag, but I haven't found the exact logo yet."

Just because you corrected yourself a few posts down doesn't mean that you didn't say that. It just means that somebody probably pointed out to you that you were wrong.

Realistically, you're going to see racist idiots at most political rallies on both the left and right of the political spectrum.

It just hits me as very "one-sided" of you to be looking so hard for racism by a few people at conservative rallies, but giving the liberals a free pass for their occasional nutjobs.

You're an idiot.

Irenicum Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:15:26pm

Well as much as this thread promises to be good vittles, I've got a long road trip ahead of me in far too few hours. So with that, g'nite kiddos and see ya tomorrow from much further west.

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:16:39pm

re: #49 Lidane

I've heard that before. I've also heard people say the most racist, derogatory things about Mexicans and other Hispanics, only to be shocked when they find out I'm Mexican. Since I'm fair-skinned, they assume I'm Italian or maybe even Greek, so they let their guard down and act the fool.

Crap like that doesn't even surprise me anymore. =P

Heh. It's hard to understand people like that coming from metro NY. All colors and shades thereof. That doesn't mean I can tell the difference between a Puerto Rican and a Dominican just by looks alone, but I know better than to confuse the two :D

webevintage Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:16:43pm

I guess I'm lucky I don't really know who Glenn Reynolds is.

So there was douchebagery involving a Glenn on both sides of the intertubes today.

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:16:52pm

re: #52 Irenicum

Well as much as this thread promises to be good vittles, I've got a long road trip ahead of me in far too few hours. So with that, g'nite kiddos and see ya tomorrow from much further west.

Drive safely!

Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:17:03pm

re: #24 loudog

Ooh. Fresh meat!

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:17:48pm

re: #31 Gus 802

I remember the first time I heard someone say "they speak Mexican." I almost went ballistic.

You should hear some of the crap said about my wife when they think we can't hear them. (She's Cuban.)

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:18:04pm

re: #49 Lidane

I've heard that before. I've also heard people say the most racist, derogatory things about Mexicans and other Hispanics, only to be shocked when they find out I'm Mexican. Since I'm fair-skinned, they assume I'm Italian or maybe even Greek, so they let their guard down and act the fool.

Crap like that doesn't even surprise me anymore. =P

Back in the 80s I was working at this place in Freehold, NJ. So, this one day tried to be funny or something and the dialogue went like this. "So what are you a Puerto Rican or something?" I said, "no I was born in Argentina." Then he responds by saying "well, a sp*c is a sp*c it doesn't matter." I barely knew him. If he was trying to be profound he failed. I've heard that word well enough before.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:19:15pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Oops. "So this one day" should be "so this one guy." PIMF!

A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:19:32pm

re: #24 loudog

You have got to be kidding me..That may be one of the stupidest post I have ever read on the entire Internet...If anyone probes a story and fact checks its ass..then minutes later corrects the record and puts his rep on the line..And you are crying he dared question anything..You f*cking punk...
Charles blogged about an issue..Check it out..Questioned it..Then verified it on the record..and set the record straight..And you are bitching about it..
You are a fraud..get out

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:20:05pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Back in the 80s I was working at this place in Freehold, NJ. So, this one day tried to be funny or something and the dialogue went like this. "So what are you a Puerto Rican or something?" I said, "no I was born in Argentina." Then he responds by saying "well, a sp*c is a sp*c it doesn't matter." I barely knew him. If he was trying to be profound he failed. I've heard that word well enough before.

Daaamn. Ever see Clerks 2? I think there really are people like Randal in the world, with no racial understanding whatsoever.

"We're taking it back!"

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:21:08pm

re: #57 beekiller

You should hear some of the crap said about my wife when they think we can't hear them. (She's Cuban.)

One of my aunts is from Cuba. I hear you. I grew up seeing people "change face" once my parents opened their mouths. Once they heard the accent it went downhill from there. I have to admit that things have gotten better over the years.

researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:22:42pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Back in the 80s I was working at this place in Freehold, NJ. So, this one day tried to be funny or something and the dialogue went like this. "So what are you a Puerto Rican or something?" I said, "no I was born in Argentina." Then he responds by saying "well, a sp*c is a sp*c it doesn't matter." I barely knew him. If he was trying to be profound he failed. I've heard that word well enough before.

Small world. Years ago I worked on Route 9 South in Freehold (building next to Honda dealership), right across from a great diner.

Won 500 bucks once at the raceway, Not knowing better at the time, I bet a long shot.

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:22:47pm

Yeah, things'll only get worse once the immigration reform "debate" revs up...

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:24:38pm

re: #63 researchok

Small world. Years ago I worked on Route 9 South in Freehold (building next to Honda dealership), right across from a great diner.

Won 500 bucks once at the raceway, Not knowing better at the time, I bet a long shot.

This place was right next to the track. The tack being Freehold Raceway for everyone else that's reading. Horsetrack.

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:25:44pm

re: #62 Gus 802

One of my aunts is from Cuba. I hear you. I grew up seeing people "change face" once my parents opened their mouths. Once they heard the accent it went downhill from there. I have to admit that things have gotten better over the years.

I agree it has gotten better. I should have said she's Cuban American...born and raised in Miami years after her parents fled Cuba.

researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:26:17pm

re: #65 Gus 802

This place was right next to the track. The tack being Freehold Raceway for everyone else that's reading. Horsetrack.

Is that frozen custard place still there? I heard the place has been around since creation.

Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:26:37pm

re: #24 loudog

You said, "I'm fairly sure this is a neo-nazi flag, but I haven't found the exact logo yet."

Just because you corrected yourself a few posts down doesn't mean that you didn't say that. It just means that somebody probably pointed out to you that you were wrong.

Realistically, you're going to see racist idiots at most political rallies on both the left and right of the political spectrum.

It just hits me as very "one-sided" of you to be looking so hard for racism by a few people at conservative rallies, but giving the liberals a free pass for their occasional nutjobs.

And my prayers are answered! A troll to bat around!

Anyone else having a go first, before I finish him off?

Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:27:48pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

And my prayers are answered! A troll to bat around!

Anyone else having a go first, before I finish him off?

They're all yours. Just leave enough to throw on the grill later.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:29:07pm

re: #66 beekiller

I agree it has gotten better. I should have said she's Cuban American...born and raised in Miami years after her parents fled Cuba.

Ah. My aunt came over from Cuba with her parents when they fled Cuba. Brought the grandparents along. They were a hoot. Don Manolo was the grandfather. My aunt met my uncle in Brooklyn.

swamprat Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:29:19pm

re: #64 JasonA

Yeah, things'll only get worse once the immigration reform "debate" revs up...

Yeah. They only want to get rid of "illegal" aliens.
And not allow them to ever become legal.
And not allow their children who are born here to become legal.

But they're not racist!

Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:30:06pm

re: #47 JasonA

I have to tip my hat to Sarah. She is a brilliant woman. It's not her fault that American politics is best played from the sidelines, but she sure is playing it like a fiddle.

Bravo.

You haven't dated many smart girls, have you?

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:31:28pm

re: #67 researchok

Is that frozen custard place still there? I heard the place has been around since creation.

Don't know. I worked there for less than a year. My stomping grounds was down in Ocean County.

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:31:35pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

You haven't dated many smart girls, have you?

Oh but I have. There are all different kinds of smarts, and Sarah's gotten rich off of hers, no?

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:32:10pm

re: #71 swamprat

Yeah. They only want to get rid of "illegal" aliens.
And not allow them to ever become legal.
And not allow their children who are born here to become legal.

But they're not racist!

What is Lou Dobbs up to nowadays, anyway?

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:32:23pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Don't know. I worked there for less than a year. My stomping grounds was down in Ocean County.

Heh, small world, I used to live in Lakewood.
:)

swamprat Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:33:38pm

re: #75 JasonA

What is Lou Dobbs up to nowadays, anyway?

No idea. Every time I turn on the tv, only stupid stuff comes out.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:34:57pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Heh, small world, I used to live in Lakewood.
:)

Woot! Lakewood! I tried working at Excel Wood once. That lasted half a day. Worked at another place where we have a lot of clients from Lakewood. Attorneys. My folks seem to go there a lot for dinner from time to time.

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:35:41pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Ah. My aunt came over from Cuba with her parents when they fled Cuba. Brought the grandparents along. They were a hoot. Don Manolo was the grandfather. My aunt met my uncle in Brooklyn.

My wife's father, brother and an uncle are all named Hugo. :D It's confusing at family events!

Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:35:43pm

re: #57 beekiller

You should hear some of the crap said about my wife when they think we can't hear them. (She's Cuban.)

Walking out of the local grocery the other day, I overheard a snatch of conversation between the couple who had been ahead of me in the checkout line.

The woman was bitching about the "dirty little foreign girl" who had done the checking-out.

I spoke up and said, "Excuse me? Did you say 'dirty little foreign girl?' Allow me to tell you something: [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted]!"

That bitch turned four shades of purple while her wimpy dick of a male companion stood there looking frightened. I don't think they'll be in this neighborhood for long.

researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:36:23pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Don't know. I worked there for less than a year. My stomping grounds was down in Ocean County.

I hear that.

I miss the shore. Long Branch, Bradley Beach....

Ah, the good old days.

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:37:24pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Woot! Lakewood! I tried working at Excel Wood once. That lasted half a day. Worked at another place where we have a lot of clients from Lakewood. Attorneys. My folks seem to go there a lot for dinner from time to time.

Cool. I live there from the age of 7 to 12. Right across the street from Lake Carasaljo.
:)

Cato the Elder Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:37:37pm

re: #74 JasonA

Oh but I have. There are all different kinds of smarts, and Sarah's gotten rich off of hers, no?

Only because her brand of stoopid is making millions for the people who are running her.

A Man for all Seasons Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:38:07pm

re: #75 JasonA

What is Lou Dobbs up to nowadays, anyway?

Remember when Lou quit CNN to do a Dot com right before the big bust around 2000? Man I knew some people that did stock options when cash was flush...I hope people learned a lesson from then about business models...I'd say around 2000 there was a lot of pain in the Tech world...

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:38:30pm

re: #81 researchok

I hear that.

I miss the shore. Long Branch, Bradley Beach...

Ah, the good old days.

The Jersey Shore! Island Beach State Park. Dover Forge. Bamber Lake. Double Trouble Road. Manasquan. Belmar. Asbury Park. Bay Head. Toms River...

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:39:00pm

re: #80 Cato the Elder

Walking out of the local grocery the other day, I overheard a snatch of conversation between the couple who had been ahead of me in the checkout line.

The woman was bitching about the "dirty little foreign girl" who had done the checking-out.

I spoke up and said, "Excuse me? Did you say 'dirty little foreign girl?' Allow me to tell you something: [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted]!"

That bitch turned four shades of purple while her wimpy dick of a male companion stood there looking frightened. I don't think they'll be in this neighborhood for long.

There are some disgusting people in this world.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:40:47pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

Cool. I live there from the age of 7 to 12. Right across the street from Lake Carasaljo.
:)

I was in the area from about 1971 to 1988.

researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:42:20pm

re: #85 Gus 802

The Jersey Shore! Island Beach State Park. Dover Forge. Bamber Lake. Double Trouble Road. Manasquan. Belmar. Asbury Park. Bay Head. Toms River...

Pizza, Cheesteaks (way better than Philly), chicken Parm sandwiches...

I put on weight thinking about it.

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:43:19pm

re: #87 Gus 802

I was in the area from about 1971 to 1988.

Neat. My mother's side of the family is from Manasquan. They now live in Toms River, where I used to when I was a very little kid. My step Grandfather worked at Oyster Creek power facility. Ah, the memories.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:43:25pm

re: #88 researchok

Pizza, Cheesteaks (way better than Philly), chicken Parm sandwiches...

I put on weight thinking about it.

Heck yeah. Big Philly influence in Ocean County.

researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:45:18pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Heck yeah. Big Philly influence in Ocean County.

I worked with a guy who used to say he owned the only Peugeot in Monmouth County. Idiot spent a fortune on repairs!

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:46:58pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Neat. My mother's side of the family is from Manasquan. They now live in Toms River, where I used to when I was a very little kid. My step Grandfather worked at Oyster Creek power facility. Ah, the memories.

I know Toms River. TRHS South. Maroon and white! Fight team fight! Used to party out in the sand pits and woods next to Oyster Creek.

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:50:10pm

re: #92 Gus 802

I know Toms River. TRHS South. Maroon and white! Fight team fight! Used to party out in the sand pits and woods next to Oyster Creek.

I think I'll go up there this summer. Visit the family, take some pics, freakout seeing the Delaware Memorial Bridge...
:)

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:51:20pm

re: #91 researchok

I worked with a guy who used to say he owned the only Peugeot in Monmouth County. Idiot spent a fortune on repairs!

The only Peugeots I have experience with was a bicycle. But yeah you get a unique car like that and you'll start paying top dollar for repairs.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:55:09pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

I think I'll go up there this summer. Visit the family, take some pics, freakout seeing the Delaware Memorial Bridge...
:)

Go to Pennsauken. They have some really kitschy places around those parts. I remember driving into PA and thinking, "OK, I'm in a different country." All of the roads signs were different. South Street is pretty cool.

Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:58:29pm

South Street by the Orlons

Youtube Video

Technically before my time but we still used to hear this a lot.

Querent Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:06:31pm

re: #12 Irenicum

I am hankering for a late night snack. I hear troll meat can be quite tasty.

especially when you marinate them in their own spicy rhetoric -- it cuts the gamy aftertaste!

Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:17:01pm

re: #64 JasonA

Yeah, things'll only get worse once the immigration reform "debate" revs up...

Yeah, I can hardly wait. I'm already getting ignorant email forwards like this:

LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.

Four More Tears Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:19:25pm

re: #98 beekiller

I... I thought we were supposed to be better than them, no?

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Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:08pm

re: #99 JasonA

I... I thought we were supposed to be better than them, no?

Perfect reply. ;) Who could argue with that? Oh wait...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:31:23pm

re: #99 JasonA

I... I thought we were supposed to be better than them, no?

hahaha yeah

The wingnut pro-Iranian conversion! :D

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Mark Pennington Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:39:26pm

Good night, Lizards. I hope you all have a great day tomorrow. I'll leave you with a text message my insane friend just sent me that will possibly give me nightmares.

I just ran down my hallway so I could feel my balls swing, bob and jiggle. It was great fun. I think I'll go do it again.

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Bourdain's Breakfast Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:39:46am

Countdow to the inevitable sad "Charles Johnson reacts after being told that the flag is the State Flag of Tennessee" Youtube Downfall rip. These people are pathetic.

It's one thing to be complicit in the insanity, attending Euro-Fascist "seminars" like some bloggers I could mention, but the willful blindness to the rampant right wing racism is almost Orwellian.

When will people on the right, the good people, wake up and realize that they are being used. It's not the policy the core hates, hell Romney did it. It's the pigmentation of the proponent.

This blog will be getting much busier when we move forward on re-legalizing our undocumented workers.

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daddiokng Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:57:18am

but I thought Glenn Reynolds used to care about the truth a little more than this

Well there was your first mistake. Ole Perfessor can be pretty wiley when it comes to distorting the truth.

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spbaker90 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:45:46am

re: #98 beekiller

I love getting those emails. I spend 10 minutes with the Google researching and debunking each point, include the info in a reply-to-all email, and subtly tell the sender that only dumba$$es believe anonymous chain emails (written by someone who's uncle's neighbor is a lawyer and knows this stuff).

Hmmm....you know, I don't seem to get these emails anymore...:(

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Conservative Physicist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:47:09am

Honestly, I'm tired of the mudslinging on both sides....LGF finds something on one website and calls them neo-nazi's, another website finds something on LGF and says the website is a douche for dissing those peacefully protesting.

When is it going to STOP ON BOTH SIDES?!?!?!? I want issues discussed by intelligent adults, not hair pulling preschool crap.

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[deleted] Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:58:23am

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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:00:23am

re: #107 the mechanic

(cough). You're kind of silly.

Hate? You're making a post in a nearly-dead thread basing your accusation on your interwebs psychiatry degree.

It's not impressive.

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[deleted] Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:15:53am

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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:52:45am

I wonder if anyone showed up waving a post-1956 Georgia state flag? It's one-third Seal of Georgia, and two-thirds Confederate battle banner. It was adopted to show defiance of the Supreme Court's civil rights rulings in the mid-50s, and was only changed to a less-controversial design in the 90s. There are still groups of people agitating to change it back.

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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:57:34am

re: #103 Bourdain's Breakfast

Countdow to the inevitable sad "Charles Johnson reacts after being told that the flag is the State Flag of Tennessee" Youtube Downfall rip. These people are pathetic.

It's one thing to be complicit in the insanity, attending Euro-Fascist "seminars" like some bloggers I could mention, but the willful blindness to the rampant right wing racism is almost Orwellian.

When will people on the right, the good people, wake up and realize that they are being used. It's not the policy the core hates, hell Romney did it. It's the pigmentation of the proponent.

This blog will be getting much busier when we move forward on re-legalizing our undocumented workers.

If someone doesn't like RomneyCare, they can always move out of Massachusetts. It's a different scenario when the plan is extended nationwide.

"Re-legalizing"...? When were illegal aliens ever legal? And what do you mean, "we"? Are "we" going to have a national referendum on whether to grant them amnesty? Or are "we" going to cram amnesty down the public's throats? Or, what?

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iceweasel Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:59:39am

re: #107 the mechanic

You're a fucking tool.

What's interesting here is that people are so desperate to smear Charles that they'll read Every. Freakin. Comment. here-- and act like a casual comment made in a thread, asking a question, retracted moments later, is exactly that same as if he'd done a POST ASSERTING that question as FACT.

And of course InstaHack (screw him too) and others gleefully leap on it and none of THOSE tools bothers to link the comment in question-- gee, why? Because anyone who reads the thread gets the full story--which refutes them.

Sick of this wingnut smear shite, and the gobshites like you who keep spewing them. A pox on your houses.

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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:07am

re: #112 iceweasel

You're a fucking tool.

What's interesting here is that people are so desperate to smear Charles that they'll read Every. Freakin. Comment. here-- and act like a casual comment made in a thread, asking a question, retracted moments later, is exactly that same as if he'd done a POST ASSERTING that question as FACT.

And of course InstaHack (screw him too) and others gleefully leap on it and none of THOSE tools bothers to link the comment in question-- gee, why? Because anyone who reads the thread gets the full story--which refutes them.

Sick of this wingnut smear shite, and the gobshites like you who keep spewing them. A pox on your houses.

Give 'em hell Iceweasel!

What a bunch of losers. Making a blog entry about a comment they found in a thread. Then you have Glenn Reynolds throwing in his two cents and sounding like a teenager. This dork Reynolds is supposed to be the cream of the crop. Yeah, he's the cream of the crop of wingnuts.

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iceweasel Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:09:19am

re: #113 Gus 802

Give 'em hell Iceweasel!

What a bunch of losers. Making a blog entry about a comment they found in a thread. Then you have Glenn Reynolds throwing in his two cents and sounding like a teenager. This dork Reynolds is supposed to be the cream of the crop. Yeah, he's the cream of the crop of wingnuts.

InstaHack can bite me.
Hey Gus! S'up, baby?

BTW, anyone notice that Weasel Zippers gives the hat tip on this 'breaking story' to....?
Some douchebag over at the stalker blog. Talk about the wingnut puke funnel in action. From a comment on a psychotic blog devoted to stalking CJ, to Weasel Zippers, to InstaPutz, and now on memeorandum it's everywhere:

"Jihad Watch, protein wisdom, The Jawa Report, NO QUARTER, For What It's Worth, Moonbattery, Instapundit, and Left Coast Rebel"

I haven't even looked. No surprise that Protein Jizzdom is all over it.

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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:16:20am

re: #114 iceweasel

InstaHack can bite me.
Hey Gus! S'up, baby?

BTW, anyone notice that Weasel Zippers gives the hat tip on this 'breaking story' to...?
Some douchebag over at the stalker blog. Talk about the wingnut puke funnel in action. From a comment on a psychotic blog devoted to stalking CJ, to Weasel Zippers, to InstaPutz, and now on memeorandum it's everywhere:

"Jihad Watch, protein wisdom, The Jawa Report, NO QUARTER, For What It's Worth, Moonbattery, Instapundit, and Left Coast Rebel"

I haven't even looked. No surprise that Protein Jizzdom is all over it.

Yep. The hat-tip was to some former (now banned) member of LGF. Just another lowlife dwweb unit. Weasel Zippers is some idiot that occasionally likes to start shit with Charles. He's a friend of Robert Spencer (the had lunch together once). They're all one big happy family of butthurt wingnuts.

Not much going on here. Waiting to see how they rationalize their hate with Obama's announcement on opening up offshore oil tracts. Like Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, "if it's not one thing..." Looks like Boehner took the lead with his version of Roseannadanna by complaining about the plan "not doing enough." Funny, last time I checked, a certain somebody didn't do squat until he left office. I think it has something to do with holding hands with Saudi royalty.

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Charles Johnson Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:22:43am

Well, this post has flushed out three losers so far.

I see that all of the usual suspects are linking to Weasel Zippers at Memeorandum.

I don't know how those lying sacks of shit look themselves in the mirror.

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Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:31:26am

re: #116 Charles

Looks like Glenn added a little update to acknowledge that Charles identified the flag correctly, although it's so backhanded that i'm not even sure it qualifies as a retraction. We weren't "seeing Neo-Nazi behind every Tea Party." We're waiting for just one or two instances where some crazy douchebag shows up with their crazy colors on and the organizers publicly denounce them and tell them to hit the f'ing road.

It's different, Glenn. You heard it from a conservative. William F. Buckley wanted to stand athwart history and yell "stop". Tea Partiers, from what I can tell, want to stand athwart history and take a dump.

Sigh.

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Charles Johnson Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:44:20am

Reynolds updates with another stupid comment: UPDATE: I see that Charles d…

Still no link to LGF, which I must admit is a clever tactic — if you’re trying to spread lies and don’t want people to see for themselves that you’re a liar.

I see that Charles did eventually figure out that it was a Tennessee flag, not some sort of “neo-Nazi” emblem.

“Eventually,” in this case being defined as about 10 minutes later.

But, you know, seeing neo-Nazis behind every bush deserves a bit of mockery. The Tea Party movement is not a neo-Nazi front, however much some might wish to make it so.

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iceweasel Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:54:33am

re: #115 Gus 802

Yep. Good take on it from Benen:

A Hill staffer I know emails with an alternative look at the same dynamic, suggesting President Obama is playing a game we've seen before. I'm republishing the staffer's email with permission.

{...}

At the same time, the policy is a tailored, measured version of what the Republicans have urged -- so, yes, the headline is, 'Obama Allows New Offshore Drilling/Presses For Energy Independence,' but at the same time, California/Oregon/Washington where opposition is strongest isn't included, and there are environmentally-friendly changes to Alaska leasing policy announced at the same time. And again, as we've seen before, Republicans are sort of forced to twist and parse, and even to oppose things they have long supported, just because the Administration hasn't gone far enough.

Finally, by announcing the drilling policy without seeking to extract concessions, the Administration makes clear that it is their policy and they are the centrist/flexible/pragmatic ones -- making it harder for Republicans to argue that they accomplished this or that they forced Obama to do it. [...]

re: #117 Aceofwhat?

InstaHack just digs deeper with that 'update'-- he uses the word 'eventually', allowing people to run off with the idea that this wasn't something clarified even before Weasel Zippers got hold of it, and still no link to the thread in question. Screw him.

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I Am Kreniigh! Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:59:01am

re: #17 Gus 802

Tom Smith: "Just wait for the MSM to associate them with ‘tea baggers’ and anybody not wild about health care. It could be something else but it looks like a plausible rumor at this stage. I am not hopeful that any distinctions will be made by our opinion leaders between those who think the Illuminati and the Joooz are running the world and those who think we should not create a debt that is half the size of our GDP. I hope the FBI understands the difference."

I'm sure that distinction exists, but it's the sensible people on the right who have to start making it. If you don't want people to call you a furry, take off the anthropomorphic wolf costume and walk away from the convention.

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doubter4444 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:11am

re: #85 Gus 802

The Jersey Shore! Island Beach State Park. Dover Forge. Bamber Lake. Double Trouble Road. Manasquan. Belmar. Asbury Park. Bay Head. Toms River...

My inlaws still have a place at PP Beach, while we live in LA, I'm begging him not to sell. I miss it.

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doubter4444 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:06:00pm

re: #119 iceweasel

Yep. Good take on it from Benen:

re: #117 Aceofwhat?

InstaHack just digs deeper with that 'update'-- he uses the word 'eventually', allowing people to run off with the idea that this wasn't something clarified even before Weasel Zippers got hold of it, and still no link to the thread in question. Screw him.

The thing with the drilling is classic Obama.
Like it or not, he plays long ball.
I've read griping that he could have used it to earn concessions from Rs, or "Why do it since they'll still bitch" (which is happening).

But that's not the point.

A) It was a campaign promise, so he can tick it off as kept
B) It takes the wind out of the sails of those who claim he's a Green whack job
C) It gives cover for Reps in the districts affected (mainly Rs and Conservative Ds) and just might create some jobs in the areas.

All this is for later, to roll out in 2012 as "Things I've done".
He can now say: No arm twisting for concessions... I did it with out being forced.... that it went against the far left base....
It's very smart.
It's politics, just not as usual.

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iceweasel Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:18:04pm

re: #122 doubter4444

The thing with the drilling is classic Obama.
Like it or not, he plays long ball.
I've read griping that he could have used it to earn concessions from Rs, or "Why do it since they'll still bitch" (which is happening).

But that's not the point.

A) It was a campaign promise, so he can tick it off as kept
B) It takes the wind out of the sails of those who claim he's a Green whack job
C) It gives cover for Reps in the districts affected (mainly Rs and Conservative Ds) and just might create some jobs in the areas.

All this is for later, to roll out in 2012 as "Things I've done".
He can now say: No arm twisting for concessions... I did it with out being forced... that it went against the far left base...
It's very smart.
It's politics, just not as usual.

Yep. Obama is a pragmatist and he plays the long game; he's also a centrist who is barely to the left, although you wouldn't know it from Our Librhul Media.
BTW, you should repost that comment in the top thread; good comment.

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Bingo.Long Thu, Apr 1, 2010 1:20:39am

I posted this at weasel-land, as well: you are correct Charles, the flag in question is neo-nazi, particularly the "Blood & Honour" flag, and is visible as such on & off from the point it begins its parade at 3:13 of the video, right up to the end. It is NOT the Tennessee state flag — repeat, NOT.

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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:37:14pm

re: #124 Bingo.Long

It looks like it could be the B&H Triskele to me as well, it's very clearly and absolutely not the Tennessee state flag as that lying pusbag WZ is claiming. TN state colors are red, white, blue, not red, white, and black like the Nazis. The tea party flag does not have a blue edge like the TN flag does, it does not have a blue circle as the TN flag does, it does not have three white stars as the the TN flag does. You have to make shit up to come to conclusions like WZ, of course he had no trouble making up a death certificate for a blogger who disappeared awhile back either. Ask the Weasel about his friend "Ronbo" sometime...

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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:32:16am

re: #125 Thanos

It looks like it could be the B&H Triskele to me as well, it's very clearly and absolutely not the Tennessee state flag as that lying pusbag WZ is claiming. TN state colors are red, white, blue, not red, white, and black like the Nazis. The tea party flag does not have a blue edge like the TN flag does, it does not have a blue circle as the TN flag does, it does not have three white stars as the the TN flag does. You have to make shit up to come to conclusions like WZ, of course he had no trouble making up a death certificate for a blogger who disappeared awhile back either. Ask the Weasel about his friend "Ronbo" sometime...

Actually, I downloaded the FLV file so I could go through it frame by frame with Quicktime, and yes, it does have the vertical blue stripe - it's clearly visible in a couple of frames.

The video is low quality, and the flag is far away from the camera. Because it's so pixellated and hard to make out, the negative space between the stars creates the illusion that resembles the triskele symbol (a modified swastika).

There's nothing wrong with asking whether it might be a neo-Nazi flag, because in the low-quality video it does bear a resemblance to that symbol, and the background red color is very close to a standard neo-Nazi flag color. (Not to mention that this is the rally at which the 'N' word was yelled at black representatives.)

But the blue stripe settles it - it's the TN flag.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:02:31pm

Here's the frame in which you can see the vertical blue stripe of the TN flag:

Image: ZZ0773CB70.jpg

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Bingo.Long Sat, Apr 3, 2010 12:48:34pm

You're right.

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