Mud! Mud! Glorious mud!
Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood.
So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow,
And there let us wallow in glorious mud.
— Michael Flanders, The Hippopotamus Song
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:36:04pm |
Vatican Offers Three Reasons Why It's Not Liable For Abuse
Court documents obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press show that Vatican lawyers plan to argue that the pope has immunity as head of state, that American bishops who oversaw abusive priests weren't employees of the Vatican, and that a 1962 document is not the "smoking gun" that provides proof of a cover-up.
It's good to be the king.
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BaseballMom57 Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:41:04pm |
re: #1 JasonA
Now's a good time for God to show up. Good time to bring back "smiting".
Unbelieveable.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:42:03pm |
re: #2 BaseballMom57
Now's a good time for God to show up. Good time to bring back "smiting".
Unbelieveable.
Hell, if I were him I'd just start over.
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Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:45:20pm |
Not quite sure what to make of this:
Gun Advocates Plan DC March On 15th Anniversary Of Oklahoma City Bombing
On April 19, the pro-gun group Second Amendment March (SAM) will lead a demonstration to the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC, “to remind America that the Second Amendment is necessary to maintain our right to self defense.” The group has sponsored several rallies across the country already, including ones last weekend in Frankfort, KY and Helena, MT. Second Amendment March founder Skip Coryell explained the group’s motives:
“I saw a lot of our freedoms being stripped away,” he said. “I was concerned about what the present Congress and administration were going to do. So were a lot of other people. [...]
“If you look at Barack Obama, he’s got the most anti-Second Amendment voting record of anyone who ever served. I just don’t trust him.
He said when George W. Bush was president, he didn’t feel as threatened.
Coryell claims he chose April 19 “because it is the 235th anniversary of Lexington-Concord.” However, the date also carries a rather unfortunate significance: the day militia sympathizers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols blew up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:45:28pm |
In lighter news, for you you PC Gamers, here is an excellent gaming blog hosted by three games writers.
[Link: www.rockpapershotgun.com...]
And they're brits, with good senses of humor.
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BaseballMom57 Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:45:51pm |
re: #3 JasonA
Yeah, I hear ya, but I like the mental picture of men in priestly robes scurrying around as lightning bolts are hurled at their butts.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:49:34pm |
Exciting week! It's the final four week in Indy..
I can't sleep...For us Basketball nuts..This is just heaven..Nirvana to say the least... My last year in Indiana and the NCAA championships are here and everybody is flying into town..It's very exciting...
I'm taking off most of the week..For me this is a once in a lifetime opportunity..
I am deeply grateful...
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:53:56pm |
re: #6 BaseballMom57
Yeah, I hear ya, but I like the mental picture of men in priestly robes scurrying around as lightning bolts are hurled at their butts.
Please don't mention priests and butts in the same sentence.
Thank you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:53:59pm |
I am drinking Belgian beer and scanning in drawings of monsters
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:54:22pm |
re: #5 Obdicut
In lighter news, for you you PC Gamers, here is an excellent gaming blog hosted by three games writers.
[Link: www.rockpapershotgun.com...]
And they're brits, with good senses of humor.
The two best gaming blogs: Rock Paper Shotgun, and TIG Source. :D
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:55:34pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 10:57:03pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:00:39pm |
re: #12 WindUpBird
I don't know either, and I don't have the "gay" excuse.
And with that, goodnight. Tip your waitress, read your kids a story.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:01:32pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:02:17pm |
re: #13 Obdicut
I don't know either, and I don't have the "gay" excuse.
And with that, goodnight. Tip your waitress, read your kids a story.
Or your bartender!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:02:52pm |
re: #4 Lidane
Not quite sure what to make of this:
Gun Advocates Plan DC March On 15th Anniversary Of Oklahoma City Bombing
These are the militia guys, right? I doubt there'll be much of anything.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:02:58pm |
re: #12 WindUpBird
Different Olivia. The one I'm talking about is the ultimate geek girl.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:03:04pm |
re: #14 Gus 802
It's so striking, how central a role the automobile plays in American society.
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Cheechako Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:03:07pm |
re: #7 HoosierHoops
How about dying your hair blue so we can recognize you on TV?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:04:27pm |
re: #4 Lidane
Not quite sure what to make of this:
Gun Advocates Plan DC March On 15th Anniversary Of Oklahoma City Bombing
To be perfectly fair, I think Lexington/Concord is too central an event to be taken over by Oklahoma City.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:05:06pm |
re: #19 freetoken
It's so striking, how central a role the automobile plays in American society.
Used to express freedom. Hop in your car. Take off. Escape. Leave town. Change your life. Insurance was a couple of centuries. Gas was pennies for a gallon. I know I felt it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:06:34pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
Used to express freedom. Hop in your car. Take off. Escape. Leave town. Change your life. Insurance was a couple of centuries. Gas was pennies for a gallon. I know I felt it.
I couldn't imagine life without my car. I could see taking a bike or public transit for work, and to go downtown. But there's always going to be a car in my life, even if gas is $10 a gallon.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:06:59pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:07:07pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
It's also the anniversary of Waco. It's become a significant date with antigovernment militias.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:07:14pm |
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:07:27pm |
re: #19 freetoken
It's so striking, how central a role the automobile plays in American society.
Suburbs, lack of light rail and lack of decent mass transportation in big cities west of the Mississippi.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:08:16pm |
Speaking of epic stupidity, the rising theme in the right-o-sphere is that there is an effort out to frame the Pope (over the sex scandals.)
WND is running a piece on this now. Of course it is written by Jerome Corsi, also noted for hocking "abiotic oil", which is also getting a little bit of play these days.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:08:58pm |
re: #24 JasonA
And health care reform took it all away...
:) Yep. We traded world wide destruction during the Cold War for this?
/
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:09:46pm |
re: #30 Gus 802
:) Yep. We traded world wide destruction during the Cold War for this?
/
Nuke the whales!
.
.
.
.
.
What the hell else we gonna nuke?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:09:52pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
It's also the anniversary of Waco. It's become a significant date with antigovernment militias.
Yeah...sigh.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:10:11pm |
re: #20 Cheechako
How about dying your hair blue so we can recognize you on TV?
LOL...I'm sure there will be a youtube clip...We be in row ten right behind the basket.. So during foul shots look for 4 crazy guys..If you see a really big guy that hasn't cut his hair in 20 years..Ahem. That's paulie. He stands out.. That's me next to him..If we make TV I'll link the clip...I'm TIVO'ing the game
Fun Week lizards!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:11:23pm |
re: #33 HoosierHoops
Awesome to run into a real live happy person for a change.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:11:40pm |
re: #29 freetoken
Speaking of epic stupidity, the rising theme in the right-o-sphere is that there is an effort out to frame the Pope (over the sex scandals.)
WND is running a piece on this now. Of course it is written by Jerome Corsi, also noted for hocking "abiotic oil", which is also getting a little bit of play these days.
The whole culture of how to deal with abuse has got to be changed.
It's the cover up that riles people up most of all, because a cover up is about corruption of the institution. Come clean, clean up the mess and people will repect you.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:12:11pm |
re: #29 freetoken
Speaking of epic stupidity, the rising theme in the right-o-sphere is that there is an effort out to frame the Pope (over the sex scandals.)
WND is running a piece on this now. Of course it is written by Jerome Corsi, also noted for hocking "abiotic oil", which is also getting a little bit of play these days.
Really? Then they need to check with Drudge. For a couple of days Matt Drudge, who happens to be one of their Gods, was posting some stories about the Pope and the sex scandals.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:12:31pm |
Sarah Palin To Host First Fox News Show Thursday – With LL Cool J
A long forgotten rap star from 20 years ago was the best they could do?
Nah, they couldn't even do that well.
Fox lifted an old interview I gave in 2008 to someone else & are misrepresenting to the public in order to promote Sarah Palins Show. WOW
I guess they're just going to edit in Palin reading questions off her palm.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:12:36pm |
re: #35 researchok
The CC needs time to catch up. They're still running the Nixon playbook.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:12:57pm |
re: #36 Gus 802
Really? Then they need to check with Drudge. For a couple of days Matt Drudge, who happens to be one of their Gods, was posting some stories about the Pope and the sex scandals.
Consistency has never been a hobgoblin of the whackosphere.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:13:47pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
Consistency has never been a hobgoblin of the whackosphere.
They seem to do okay when Obama bows to someone, though.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:15:36pm |
re: #38 JasonA
The CC needs time to catch up. They're still running the Nixon playbook.
Ain't that the truth.
All the good work they do- feeding the poor globally, inner city schools, hospitals world wide, et.c, etc.- can be easily undone.
Therein is a whole other tragedy.
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Querent Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:15:37pm |
re: #4 Lidane
Not quite sure what to make of this:
Gun Advocates Plan DC March On 15th Anniversary Of Oklahoma City Bombing
Where do they want this pallet of FAIL?
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ryannon Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:18:38pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
I couldn't imagine life without my car. I could see taking a bike or public transit for work, and to go downtown. But there's always going to be a car in my life, even if gas is $10 a gallon.
(Softly) beating my own drum: I wrote about cars and the American Experience in a not-too-shabby piece entitled "Keys to the Highway" that appeared in Bolus, a blog created by Dave Burge of Iowahawk for assorted friends and hangers-on:
[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:19:50pm |
re: #18 JasonA
Different Olivia. The one I'm talking about is the ultimate geek girl.
I'm being silly, I've heard of Munn :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:20:20pm |
re: #43 ryannon
(Softly) beating my own drum: I wrote about cars and the American Experience in a not-too-shabby piece entitled "Keys to the Highway" that appeared in Bolus, a blog created by Dave Burge of Iowahawk for assorted friends and hangers-on:
[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]
reading now!
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Lidane Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:20:38pm |
re: #29 freetoken
Speaking of epic stupidity, the rising theme in the right-o-sphere is that there is an effort out to frame the Pope (over the sex scandals.)
That's the Vatican's meme. They've been pushing it for days now, saying that it's all a smear job meant to harm Benedict's credibility and to hurt he Catholic Church.
Incidentally, Wikipedia tells me that Benedict became Pope on April 19th, 2005. Maybe those marches are actually a celebration of his papacy. Heh.
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Digital Display Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:21:01pm |
the Hoopster is never on the week night over night threads..
This is a very exciting week
Energy is fading
Hoopster!
What? Wha?
Call the ball!
Call the ball!
Fire Control on the Flight deck!
Call the Ball!
*Crash*
Yawn..Night Lizards...Bell well Friends
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:21:29pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
Sarah Palin To Host First Fox News Show Thursday – With LL Cool J
A long forgotten rap star from 20 years ago was the best they could do?
Nah, they couldn't even do that well.
I guess they're just going to edit in Palin reading questions off her palm.
They could do that thing Weird Al does, where he takes existing interviews and hacks himself in asking crazy questions :D
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:22:52pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
Consistency has never been a hobgoblin of the whackosphere.
Sure hasn't. People need to realize that the Holy See is a bureaucracy. No one is blaming the Pope. He just failed to acknowledge the problem. Since it's a bureaucracy you have to look at the legal department of the Holy See. People want simple answers. They want to be able to say, "see that, it's the Pope's fault." They don't realize that it's a systemic problem. One that management, the Holy See, can't easily control.
Their first mistake was to try and blame it on some nebulous feeling of evil. They even brought out an Exorcist. It's pretty simple to just acknowledge you messed up, fire the bastards or line them up for prosecution and move on. One also has to promise to take a hard line on future law breakers. It's really pretty simple. If they're denying that abuse existed in Ireland and Germany then they have more serious problems then The Pope.
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Querent Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:23:07pm |
so... what happened to the troll from the last thread? I've got the marinade all ready...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:24:24pm |
10 Students Gunned Down In Mexico
Some kids from our school were going to go help out at schools in Tijuana during spring break. That was cancelled after the people from the consulate were shot.
This is horrifying.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:25:12pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
10 Students Gunned Down In Mexico
Some kids from our school were going to go help out at schools in Tijuana during spring break. That was cancelled after the people from the consulate were shot.
This is horrifying.
Keep the kids home
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:26:14pm |
re: #52 researchok
Keep the kids home
They're going to help out at a battered women's shelter in Salinas instead.
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teleskiguy Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:26:19pm |
Jon Stewart did a piece tonight about John McCain bringing Sarah Palin along for his senate campaign. Stewart deftly showed how pitiful right-wing politics has become. He showed an interview from one of the cable networks, to wit: an old white woman was asked by the interviewer why she was at a McCain rally when she was planning on voting for J.D. Hayworth in the senate primary, the old lady answers that she was there to see Sarah Palin.
Interviewer: So you're here to see Sarah Palin?
Old Lady: Oh You Betcha!
I shit you not.
It'll be on The Daily Show's website in the next couple of days.
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Querent Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:26:33pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
They're going to help out at a battered women's shelter in Salinas instead.
Think globally, act locally!
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:27:41pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
They're going to help out at a battered women's shelter in Salinas instead.
There are some things that cannot be fixed by outsiders or even government.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:28:11pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
10 Students Gunned Down In Mexico
Some kids from our school were going to go help out at schools in Tijuana during spring break. That was cancelled after the people from the consulate were shot.
This is horrifying.
Scum of the Earth.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:29:27pm |
re: #56 researchok
I should have added they need to be fixed by the people/society.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:32:11pm |
re: #45 WindUpBird
Sorry about all the dead music vids, but they never last long due to copyright issues. The Massive Attack Stripper video is definitely worth tracking down again, however...
[Link: www.trilulilu.ro...]
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:33:50pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
10 Students Gunned Down In Mexico
Some kids from our school were going to go help out at schools in Tijuana during spring break. That was cancelled after the people from the consulate were shot.
This is horrifying.
The victims, five girls and five boys from three families, were among some 74,000 households in the region benefiting from a federal program that aids low-income families for keeping their children in school and practicing good hygiene.
Mexico's secretary of the interior, Fernando Gomez-Mont, emphasized his will for the "most energetic repudiation of this brutal act" at a press conference in Mexico City on Monday. Though the motive remained unknown, Gomez-Mont noted that the Sinaloa drug gang had been waging a war in the region with the Zetas, former commandos and assassins who have splintered off from the Gulf cartel to form their own drug-trafficking organization.
Since President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006, more than 18,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence. The government says some 90 percent of victims are cartel members killed by rival drug gangs, and that the rest of the victims are mostly police and army officials. It says very few innocent civilians have been killed.
But it is not just the Palm Sunday slayings that challenge that assertion. A week ago, two engineering students at Mexico's prestigious Monterrey Institute of Technology were caught in the crossfire. In January, bullets rained on a high school party in Ciudad Juarez, killing 15 teenagers. And in late December a 33-year-old school board official from El Monte, Calif., was executed after being kidnapped along with five other men from a restaurant in his wife's hometown in Durango.
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Cheechako Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:34:44pm |
I was listening to Glenn Beck's radio show today. I was stunned at what I heard. Beck claimed that the HCR's 10% tax on getting a tan on a tanning bed was racist "because only light skinned people" needed tanning in a tanning bed.
Did I really hear this? Did anyone else hear this?
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teleskiguy Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:37:29pm |
re: #61 Cheechako
I was listening to Glenn Beck's radio show today. I was stunned at what I heard. Beck claimed that the HCR's 10% tax on getting a tan on a tanning bed was racist "because only light skinned people" needed tanning in a tanning bed.
Did I really hear this? Did anyone else hear this?
Nope. I don't listen to Glenn Beck. He's a a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:37:54pm |
re: #61 Cheechako
I was listening to Glenn Beck's radio show today. I was stunned at what I heard. Beck claimed that the HCR's 10% tax on getting a tan on a tanning bed was racist "because only light skinned people" needed tanning in a tanning bed.
Did I really hear this? Did anyone else hear this?
Sounds about right. Glenn Beck is a meaningless idiot. The 10 percent tax that applies to douche bags getting a sun tan is a worthless point.
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Cheechako Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:39:04pm |
re: #62 teleskiguy
I agree. I don't have many choices for radio stations to listen to.
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ryannon Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:21pm |
re: #59 ryannon
Incredible how that video and song still do it for me. Here's a link to a higher-definition version. Like I said in the article, a visual definition of the word pathos:
[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:28pm |
If government or outsiders could fix all of societies ills, we'd be living in Paradise. At some point cultures, societies and individuals have to take the plunge and deal with the issues. The culture has to change.
We did it with civil rights, equal rights, etc. The ability to self correct is vital for a culture's long term survival.
Sometimes that requires social revolution and other times social evolution.
The tragedy of violence in Mexico has to be addressed. They did it in Colombia with a lot of national will. Now that country is one of the safest in the region. They can do the same in Mexico. They have to.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:43:34pm |
Legalize drugs. This would shut down the monstrous drug cartels in Mexico. People will claim that it will lead to "blood on our hands" yet with the current system in this drug war we have blood on our hands. If people will die from the legalization of drugs then so be it. People are already dying and it's illegal and in fact as we've seen they're killing teens and children to bring drugs to North American users. Short of this Felipe Calderon is a complete failure.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:44:23pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
Legalize drugs. This would shut down the monstrous drug cartels in Mexico. People will claim that it will lead to "blood on our hands" yet with the current system in this drug war we have blood on our hands. If people will die from the legalization of drugs then so be it. People are already dying and it's illegal and in fact as we've seen they're killing teens and children to bring drugs to North American users. Short of this Felipe Calderon is a complete failure.
I agree re soft drugs. Hard stuff, no.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:46:36pm |
re: #64 Cheechako
I agree. I don't have many choices for radio stations to listen to.
I've moved entirely to podcasts. They killed the last two good radio shows in my area, it's all suck now.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:48:39pm |
re: #68 researchok
I agree re soft drugs. Hard stuff, no.
I don't know what to make of this. I agree to no on the hard stuff empirically yet at the same time the people that are using the hard stuff have blood on their hands. They're slaughtering children to bring that stuff up here and I'm supposed to care about the users here? You know what I mean. It's awful.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:02pm |
The government says some 90 percent of victims are cartel members killed by rival drug gangs, and that the rest of the victims are mostly police and army officials. It says very few innocent civilians have been killed.
That isre: #60 Gus 802
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:49:03pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
Legalize drugs. This would shut down the monstrous drug cartels in Mexico. People will claim that it will lead to "blood on our hands" yet with the current system in this drug war we have blood on our hands. If people will die from the legalization of drugs then so be it. People are already dying and it's illegal and in fact as we've seen they're killing teens and children to bring drugs to North American users. Short of this Felipe Calderon is a complete failure.
It'd be nice if Texas didn't destroy peoples' lives for simple possession.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:50:46pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:52:13pm |
The government says some 90 percent of victims are cartel members killed by rival drug gangs, and that the rest of the victims are mostly police and army officials. It says very few innocent civilians have been killed.
PIMF
I lived and worked in Mexico for years........ this is a true statement.
Typically innocents are caught in the crossfire.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:53:33pm |
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:54:45pm |
re: #71 Mr Pancakes
The government says some 90 percent of victims are cartel members killed by rival drug gangs, and that the rest of the victims are mostly police and army officials. It says very few innocent civilians have been killed.
That is
They said 18,000 killed thus far. But we just saw how innocent children were gunned down by these drug lord terrorists. I think that's just government propaganda. I'd be willing to bet that most of them are innocents.
That's 18,000 with regards to the drug cartel. Then you add the approximate 5,000 murders of women in Juarez.
I know. We have about 15,000 murders per year in the states. Damn humans.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:55:22pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
I don't know what to make of this. I agree to no on the hard stuff empirically yet at the same time the people that are using the hard stuff have blood on their hands. They're slaughtering children to bring that stuff up here and I'm supposed to care about the users here? You know what I mean. It's awful.
I hear you.
Still, to legalize the hard stuff won't change a thing- and it will make it worse. If government starts handing out the stuff to cut back on the crime that is a by product of hard stuff (the shit isn't cheap), there will be more users looking for freebies and more wasted human lives- and the death rates will just escalate.
I don't have the answer, but it seems to me legalizing and then managing hard drugs is a bad idea.
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researchok Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:56:39pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
They said 18,000 killed thus far. But we just saw how innocent children were gunned down by these drug lord terrorists. I think that's just government propaganda. I'd be willing to bet that most of them are innocents.
That's 18,000 with regards to the drug cartel. Then you add the approximate 5,000 murders of women in Juarez.
I know. We have about 15,000 murders per year in the states. Damn humans.
Perspective: 50,000 are killed on US highways each year.
More insanity
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:27pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
They said 18,000 killed thus far. But we just saw how innocent children were gunned down by these drug lord terrorists. I think that's just government propaganda. I'd be willing to bet that most of them are innocents.
That's 18,000 with regards to the drug cartel. Then you add the approximate 5,000 murders of women in Juarez.
I know. We have about 15,000 murders per year in the states. Damn humans.
Man, weed alone!
I am not one of these guys who has a whole big mystical healing-power-of-pot thing going. (some of my friends are, but I just try not to talk to them about it) it's an intoxicant, it's not good for you, apart from some of its pain relief properties, but it's less dangerous than booze. Legalize it, remove the illegal market, stop tossing people in jail for years over it, acknowledge that it's a thing that makes people happy without a gigantic downside.
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Gus Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:57:35pm |
re: #78 researchok
Perspective: 50,000 are killed on US highways each year.
More insanity
I know. But that's not with malice.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:59:15pm |
re: #80 Gus 802
I know. But that's not with malice.
And it's a byproduct of productivity and daily life, it's an assumed risk of freedom, of having a 3000 lb slab of metal travelling at high velocity.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:00:28am |
Speaking of intoxicants, should I go with the Cascade dark ale or the Belgian Abbey style? Decisions!
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:00:43am |
re: #76 Gus 802
They said 18,000 killed thus far. But we just saw how innocent children were gunned down by these drug lord terrorists. I think that's just government propaganda. I'd be willing to bet that most of them are innocents.
That's 18,000 with regards to the drug cartel. Then you add the approximate 5,000 murders of women in Juarez.
I know. We have about 15,000 murders per year in the states. Damn humans.
It's worse than Iraq was in the dark days down there now......... it's tough for me when I go down with the wife and kid to visit family.
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:01:14am |
re: #81 WindUpBird
And it's a byproduct of productivity and daily life, it's an assumed risk of freedom, of having a 3000 lb slab of metal travelling at high velocity.
But it's by chance. It's not like throwing grenades at a van full of school children.
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researchok Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:01:50am |
re: #80 Gus 802
I know. But that's not with malice.
Yup.
More: 33,000 drug overdose deaths, 30,000 firearms deaths.
Depressing
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:06:57am |
This was what I found upsetting. It was linked by SFZ.
10 Students Gunned Down in Mexico
MEXICO CITY (March 30) -- As Mexico closed down for its annual celebration of Holy Week, officials reacted with anger and a degree of helplessness to the slayings of 10 students from a tiny mountainside hamlet who were mowed down by an armed commando on Palm Sunday. The victims, ages 8 to 21, were killed while driving down a desolate highway in the north-central Mexican state of Durango.
According to authorities, the group's pickup was waved to a stop at an improvised roadblock by a man in military garb. Then he and an unknown number of other attackers tossed hand grenades at the truck and riddled it with bullets.
Two girls who survived the attack were ordered by the killers to walk a little more than four miles to the nearest town to notify the military about what had happened, the daily La Jornada reported.
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researchok Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:07:25am |
Nine killed by twin bombings in Russia's Dagestan
At least nine people, including a top regional police official, have been killed by two bombs in Russia's restive North Caucasus republic of Dagestan.
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researchok Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:08:35am |
re: #86 Gus 802
This was what I found upsetting. It was linked by SFZ.
10 Students Gunned Down in Mexico
I suspect it will get worse before it gets better.
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researchok Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:10:26am |
OK, I'm done. I'm incoherent even to myself.
Phone meeting in 3 hours.
Later
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:10:39am |
re: #88 researchok
I suspect it will get worse before it gets better.
Boils my blood. Those cowards. Those rotten bastards killing children to create a climate of fear.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:10:40am |
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:15:10am |
Night all. Peace out. Before I send in the Thunderbolts and Hornets into Juarez. ;)
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Mocking Jay Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:17:03am |
Time for me to pay Morpheus a visit, too.
Peace.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:34:34am |
Some days it seems like the interwebs are just full of adolescent, racist crap, and then you find something goofy like this that makes it all worth it.
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HelloDare Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:56:50am |
Suicide Bombings in Southern Russia Kill 9
Russian officials say two suicide bombings in the violence-prone southern republic of Dagestan have killed at least nine people and wounded 18 others.
The blasts happened Wednesday in the city of Kizlyar, near the border of Dagestan and Chechnya.
Dagestan's interior minister says the first suicide bomber detonated explosives in a car when he was pulled over by traffic police. A second suicide bomber was dressed in a police uniform. The minister says at least five police officers were among the dead.
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ryannon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 1:21:08am |
That's some funny shit. As well as being great at improvisation and a passable pianist, the guy's a minor genius just for doing this:
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ryannon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 1:44:39am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 2:32:44am |
Obama energy plan would open up Gulf drilling
(CNN) -- In a move that could help win Republican support for other energy initiatives, President Obama will announce plans Wednesday to open large sections of the eastern Gulf of Mexico and an area off the Virginia coast for oil and natural gas drilling."To set America on a path to energy independence, the president believes we must leverage our diverse domestic resources by pursuing a comprehensive energy strategy," said a statement provided by an administration official, who did not want to comment on the record ahead of the president's announcement.
"The president will announce today additional measures that will boost domestic energy production and promote clean energy innovation," the statement said.
The GOP has long championed additional domestic drilling to lessen America's dependence on outside energy sources. And while the plan could help win Republican support for other White House initiatives, it won't find many fans among environmentalists.
The proposal includes lifting a 20-year ban on drilling off the Virginia coastline, while putting the clamps on sites that had been approved off the coast of Alaska.
Additionally, the interior department would be authorized to conduct seismic surveys off the south- and mid-Atlantic coasts to "determine the quantity and location of potential oil and gas resources to support energy planning."
The expanded offshore drilling is part of a larger effort by the White House to promote energy independence.
Obama will introduce the measures during an address at Joint Base Andrews Naval Air Facility Washington late Wednesday morning.
On Thursday, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Transportation will sign an agreement establishing fuel economy standards for cars and trucks for model years 2012-2016.
"We are implementing policies that will greatly reduce our dependence on foreign oil," the official said, noting the White House is "leading by example" and will announce the purchase of 5,000 hybrid vehicles for the federal fleet.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 31, 2010 2:57:44am |
re: #98 Varek Raith
Heads from all over the political spectrum asplode.
/only a gawt-damned commie would want to drill for oil
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:22:30am |
re: #72 WindUpBird
It'd be nice if Texas the country didn't destroy peoples' lives for simple possession.
FTFY
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:26:06am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:29:30am |
Bringing the mellow, dude.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:31:48am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:32:42am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:34:02am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:34:33am |
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:35:18am |
Poll: Public almost evenly divided on health care law
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
In the poll, 50% call passage of the bill "a bad thing" and 47% say it was "a good thing." That's at odds with the findings of a one-day USA TODAY Poll taken a week ago -- a day after the U.S. House approved the legislation -- in which a 49%-40% plurality called the bill "a good thing."
.......
And what about those incidents of vandalism and verbal threats that followed the bill's passage?Those surveyed are slightly more likely to blame Democratic political maneuvers than harsh rhetoric by opponents. In the poll, 49% say Democratic tactics are "a major reason" for the incidents. Meanwhile, 46% blame harsh criticism by conservative commentators on TV and radio; 43% say criticism by Republican leaders played a major role.
Big slide in one week. I find it extra funny that the majority blame "Dem tactics" for the vandalism/verbal threats.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:36:18am |
Get your mellow on, dudes..
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:36:23am |
re: #101 RogueOne
It'd be nice if
Texasthe country didn't destroy peoples' lives for simple possession.
FTFY
FTFM
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:39:01am |
The inspiration for the movie Stand Up And Deliver has passed away
[Link: www.boston.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:39:25am |
re: #108 RogueOne
I posted this last night. Same rules apply.
My only HC post:
Guy I work (worked, maybe) with was out last week, in the hospital. Though the walk-in clinic he went to said it was pneumonia, yesterday he had open heat surgery. No insurance. No house to take. Still had the surgery.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:43:03am |
Getting the mellow on...
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:45:42am |
DRILL BABY DRILL!
Great idea, Mr. President.
Good Morning LGF.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:48:07am |
Mellow? Notsomuch. (last one, promise!!)
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:48:35am |
Death toll up to 11 in Dagestan.
Among the dead in today's attacks in the town of Kizlyar was the local police chief Vitaly Vedernikov, Interfax news agency reported.
The first blast took place at around 8.30am (1000 HRS IST) when a car parked on a street near a school and packed with explosives was blown up by its driver.
However, there were no children in the school. Three cars parked nearby were gutted.
As police officers and residents gathered at the scene, there was a second blast half an hour later by a man who was wearing police uniform.
SNIP
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:49:59am |
re: #112 Cannadian Club Akbar
I posted this last night. Same rules apply.
My only HC post:
Guy I work (worked, maybe) with was out last week, in the hospital. Though the walk-in clinic he went to said it was pneumonia, yesterday he had open heat surgery. No insurance. No house to take. Still had the surgery.
Syndicated radio host based here in Atlanta keeps reminding backers of the health care bill
"some people may not have health insurance, but everybody has health care"
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:50:39am |
I was going to post this last night but I got tired. The first part of the story is just silly:
Parents stand by teacher at Georgia 'dirty dancing' trial
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
It began on December 11, 2008, during a "pass the mic" session in former chorus teacher Nathan Grigsby's class. Students had the opportunity to perform in front of the class in an "American Idol"-style recital, said Grigsby's lawyer, Jackie Patterson.No one disputes the sexual nature of the boys' dance routine, which was widely viewed by students and faculty members on a student's Facebook page. What is in dispute is whether it was a crime.
Putting a teacher on trial, and at risk of going to jail, because some students did a "dirty dancing" skit is stupid but the next portion of the story is infuriating and typical:
On Monday, just before a jury was chosen at Grigsby's trial on charges of contributing to the corruption of minors, prosecutors announced they had filed public indecency charges against the three male students, including Jerramy Barnett.
......
She and Grigsby's lawyer contend that the charges were filed against the students in an attempt to keep them from testifying on the teacher's behalf."The charges were brought against him to intimidate him into not testifying for Mr. Grigsby," she said. "If not, why did they wait 16 months, until the morning of the trial, to charge them?"
They wait until the morning of the teachers trial to charge the 3 students who were planning on testifying in court for the teacher. It's obvious intimidation and completely out of line. Not only should the prosecutors be fired but they should face the same amount of jail time these kids are now facing. It's outrageous and disgusting behavior and I hope the people of Atlanta don't let it slide.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:52:14am |
re: #117 sattv4u2
Syndicated radio host based here in Atlanta keeps reminding backers of the health care bill
"some people may not have health insurance, but everybody has health care"
My aunt spent the last month in a hospital in Cincinnati, no insurance. They tried everything to save her including a liver transplant. Didn't work, her funeral is tomorrow.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:53:05am |
re: #119 RogueOne
My aunt spent the last month in a hospital in Cincinnati, no insurance. They tried everything to save her including a liver transplant. Didn't work, her funeral is tomorrow.
Dude, we have chatted about this. Sorry, man.:(
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:53:26am |
re: #119 RogueOne
My aunt spent the last month in a hospital in Cincinnati, no insurance. They tried everything to save her including a liver transplant. Didn't work, her funeral is tomorrow.
condolences, sir
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:54:29am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dude, we have chatted about this. Sorry, man.:(
Thanks, I didn't mention her dying because I wasn't looking for sympathy dings.// I'm not the emotional type of person, people die and we move on.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:56:59am |
re: #122 RogueOne
Thanks, I didn't mention her dying because I wasn't looking for sympathy dings.// I'm not the emotional type of person, people die and we move on.
When my dad died, I told my work I might need 2 weeks off. Only missed 2 days. But I had 14 months of "seeing it coming." On the flip side, my best friend died suddenly and I was drunk for an entire week.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:58:03am |
re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
When my dad died, I told my work I might need 2 weeks off. Only missed 2 days. But I had 14 months of "seeing it coming." On the flip side, my best friend died suddenly and I was drunk for an entire week.
Thats what I've already told my friends
Stuff me, put me in the corner and party!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:58:53am |
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Cowardly Lion: Why, I'd thrash him from top to bottomus!
Hope my new avatar works... do I look fat in it?
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:59:37am |
re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
Everyone deals with death differently. My moms was born late so by the time I was born all my relatives were old and started dying off pretty quickly.
My typical grieving process:
Family: "Hey, so and so just died."
Me: Wow, that sucks doesn't it?.......What sounds good for lunch?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 3:59:42am |
re: #124 sattv4u2
Thats what I've already told my friends
Stuff me, put me in the corner and party!
There was a gut in Pittsburgh, had his wake with him sitting in his chair, wearing a Steelers jersey, with a beer and smokes. Heh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:00:35am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Cowardly Lion: Why, I'd thrash him from top to bottomus!Hope my new avatar works... do I look fat in it?
Yes.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:01:46am |
re: #127 RogueOne
Everyone deals with death differently. My moms was born late so by the time I was born all my relatives were old and started dying off pretty quickly.
My typical grieving process:
Family: "Hey, so and so just died."
Me: Wow, that sucks doesn't it?...What sounds good for lunch?
I'm pretty much the same. Circle of life.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:02:13am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Cowardly Lion: Why, I'd thrash him from top to bottomus!Hope my new avatar works... do I look fat in it?
Doung your Gene Simmons imitation!?!?
(although ,,, his tongue isn't aimed at cake ,,,,, ummm,, oh,, wiat!!)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:03:23am |
re: #131 sattv4u2
DoungDoing your Gene Simmons imitation!?!?
(although ,,, his tongue isn't aimed at cake ,,, ummm,, oh,, wiat!!)
DAMN ,, I waste more good jokes without remembering that PIMF
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:03:57am |
re: #127 RogueOne
When the older relatives die, I answer with, "Man, well... you are supposed to die sometime."
I've had too many younger relatives die, tho.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:04:20am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Cowardly Lion: Why, I'd thrash him from top to bottomus!Hope my new avatar works... do I look fat in it?
EVERYBODY loves cake:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:04:26am |
re: #132 sattv4u2
DAMN ,, I waste more good jokes without remembering that PIMF
You also misspelled "wait."
/Cato mode off
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:04:45am |
re: #122 RogueOne
Thanks, I didn't mention her dying because I wasn't looking for sympathy dings.// I'm not the emotional type of person, people die and we move on.
My condolences on your loss. BTW, good post in last nights DT.
These incidences need to be brought to light. No knock warrants endanger not only those within the home, but those serving them.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:05:48am |
re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar
You also misspelled "wait."
/Cato mode off
No I didn't. Thats how I ALWAYS spell it!!
/
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ryannon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:06:37am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Cowardly Lion: Why, I'd thrash him from top to bottomus!Hope my new avatar works... do I look fat in it?
You look greeat, for a hipopotamus.
I happen to think that they're charming beasts, especially when they're babies. Irresistible!
Speaking of hippopotamus people, do you know who Philip Strack is? He may be some kind of a cousin, but what's for sure is that he's a design genius as well as being a great person:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:06:55am |
re: #136 Bubblehead II
Did you figure out what I was talking about yesterday?
You had posted a fairly technical post, and I posted a Steve Martin joke that would only be funny to a plumber... Was just having fun...
Seems I had more fun than you did.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:07:16am |
re: #136 Bubblehead II
My condolences on your loss. BTW, good post in last nights DT.
These incidences need to be brought to light. No knock warrants endanger not only those within the home, but those serving them.
I've mentioned my best friend is a cop. He's also the head of his towns SWAT team. Luckily his town doesn't use their team to serve stupid warrants that needlessly put people at risk but it's a concern for both the police and the civilians. Too many times they're in a big hurry to use tactics that are unnecessary and people on both sides of the line end up dead. Stupid, stupid.
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ryannon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:08:38am |
re: #138 ryannon
You look greeat, for a hipopotamus.
I happen to think that they're charming beasts, especially when they're babies. Irresistible!
Speaking of hippopotamus people, do you know who Philip Strack is? He may be some kind of a cousin, but what's for sure is that he's a design genius as well as being a great person:
[Video]
PIMF: Phillip Starck
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:08:55am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you figure out what I was talking about yesterday?
You had posted a fairly technical post, and I posted a Steve Martin joke that would only be funny to a plumber... Was just having fun...
Seems I had more fun than you did.
Fat Selfish Bastard. Heh
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:11:36am |
I love me some filet o' Fish but, damn...
[Link: www.nbcnewyork.com...]
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sagehen Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:18:39am |
re: #98 Varek Raith
Anybody willing to give me odds on how quickly Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin turn into anti-drilling environmentalists?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:22:40am |
re: #145 sagehen
Anybody willing to give me odds on how quickly Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin turn into anti-drilling environmentalists?
I posted that late last night. After thinking about it for a night, I think the President knows it will be tied up in the courts for a while but it looks like a nice gesture.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:23:35am |
re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually didn't post the story. Just the subject. My bad.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:26:47am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you figure out what I was talking about yesterday?
You had posted a fairly technical post, and I posted a Steve Martin joke that would only be funny to a plumber... Was just having fun...
Seems I had more fun than you did.
Nope. But I did I did allude that I was as thick as a lead brick.
Was it getting hit hit by 20 KV?
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Artist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:29:46am |
re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar
Only a sekrit commie muslim would make nice gestures!!!111
///
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:33:27am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:33:55am |
re: #149 SteelPH
Only a sekrit commie muslim would make nice gestures!!!111
///
You'd think he would want to drill in Kenya to help his fellow countrymen!! Bwhahah!!
//Need I?
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:35:29am |
The officials were said to have termed the defection of the scientist, Shahram Amiri, "an intelligence coup" in the continuing CIA operation to spy on and undermine Iran's nuclear program.
SNIP
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:36:00am |
re: #148 Bubblehead II
Yeah, that one. I had no idea what you were talking about. Other than "yowch!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:37:18am |
re: #152 MandyManners
MANDY! (*waves hands frantically*)
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Jadespring Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:37:24am |
Morning Lizards,
Had to get up a little earlier today. (yawn) Have to take the dog for a early ultrasound appointment.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:37:52am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:38:17am |
re: #145 sagehen
Anybody willing to give me odds on how quickly Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin turn into anti-drilling environmentalists?
Same odds as all those dems that opposed it during the Bush years now being advocates of it!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:38:41am |
re: #157 Cannadian Club Akbar
"How may I offer you excellent customer service today."
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:40:16am |
Again?
The event started off with Rove, the Senior Advisor and Deputy Chief of Staff to President George W. Bush, telling anecdotes about his career. He took questions and answers on a wide range of issues, commenting on the downfall of the McCain campaign, the Iraq WMD fiasco, and what the Republican Party should concentrate on to win in November. After about 30 minutes the protestors started their outrageous behavior.
They were rude, uncaring, and threatening. They shouted at Rove that he was a war criminal, baby killer, and liar. Jodie Evans, the co-founder of the anti-war group Code Pink, told him “You took us to war. You should be arrested. I am here to make a citizen’s arrest,” and with that proceeded to the stage in an attempt to handcuff him. As if this chaotic scene was not bad enough, another protestor shouted at him that he was going “to rot in hell.” Eventually, Karl Rove had enough and left without signing any books. As some Rove supporters angrily approached the protestors they were called the “F word”, “the A word” and some other cuss words.
SNIP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:40:51am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"How may I offer you excellent customer service today."
I swear I called Dell once and the guy said his name is Gary. I have the whole conversation, with accent, down to a tee. But Gary wasn't actually Iranian, he was from India. Heh.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:40:58am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"How may I offer you excellent customer service today."
"You know ,, you can't go into a Dunkin Donuts or call Dell support without hearing ,,,,,"
//Kudos to Joe Biden
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:41:35am |
re: #157 Cannadian Club Akbar
His new name is Gary and he works for Dell's customer service.
/
And, he's bleached his hair.
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Sacred Plants Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:41:51am |
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:42:50am |
re: #160 MandyManners
Janine Boneparth, 58, of Ross, CA, walked on the stage with handcuffs and placed a cuff on Rove’s wrist before he yanked it away, while stating, “I have to make a citizens arrest. You are under arrest for treason.”
SNIP
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:43:28am |
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Jadespring Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:45:54am |
re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar
I swear I called Dell once and the guy said his name is Gary. I have the whole conversation, with accent, down to a tee. But Gary wasn't actually Iranian, he was from India. Heh.
I ended up having a great conversation with a service rep for company that was in India. I'm not sure how it got started but we ended talking about our respective gardens and differences in food. It was pretty cool.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:46:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:47:22am |
re: #169 Jadespring
I ended up having a great conversation with a service rep for company that was in India. I'm not sure how it got started but we ended talking about our respective gardens and differences in food. It was pretty cool.
I had the same thing happen with a Jet Blue rep.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:49:06am |
re: #167 Taqyia2Me
Free speech for me, none for thee.
The MFM would be all over this if it were a Conservative trying to make a citizen's arrest of a former Democrat president's advisor.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:49:24am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:51:36am |
re: #173 MandyManners
Crazy as a fox.
Newt is suppose to give a speech in St. Pete tonight or tomorrow. The left is trying to recruit 1000 people to shut him down. (they don't say that, but they ain't fooling me)
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:52:45am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
Newt is suppose to give a speech in St. Pete tonight or tomorrow. The left is trying to recruit 1000 people to shut him down. (they don't say that, but they ain't fooling me)
I think Newt has more guts than Anne Feed-her-a-Cheeseburger Coulter.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:52:59am |
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Tourist falls into active volcano crater on Bali
Last words he heard?
"Go ahead Bill, you can get closer than that!"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:53:46am |
re: #176 sattv4u2
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Tourist falls into active volcano crater on Bali
Last words he heard?
"Go ahead Bill, you can get closer than that!"
I thought the last words were, "Hold my beer.":)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:54:19am |
re: #176 sattv4u2
Hopefully, he was a virgin. Kill two birds with one stone and all that.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:54:26am |
re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought the last words were, "Hold my beer.":)
He was Swedish, not a redneck
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:55:10am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hopefully, he was a virgin. Kill two birds with one stone and all that.
Tom Hanks' worst movie EVER
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:55:14am |
re: #172 MandyManners
The MFM would be all over this if it were a Conservative trying to make a citizen's arrest of a former Democrat president's advisor.
Seeing as how much of the current administration staff are card carrying Chicago punk thugs, we may not see this. Rather, we may see some full fledged DoJ frog marches.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:55:34am |
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:56:32am |
re: #181 Taqyia2Me
Seeing as how much of the current administration staff are card carrying Chicago punk thugs, we may not see this. Rather, we may see some full fledged DoJ frog marches.
I feel a disturbance in the meme.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:56:55am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:58:45am |
re: #180 sattv4u2
Tom Hanks' worst movie EVER
Fantastic opening sequence though... Sixteen tons... and then Dan Hedaya as Mr. Waturi saying:
But can he do the job. I know he can get the job but can he DO the job? I'm NOT arguing that with you. I'm not arguing that with YOU. I'm not ARGUING that with you. I'm not ARGUING that with you Harry! Harry... Harry... Yeah Harry... but can he DO the job. I know he can GET the job but can he do the job?
Tom Hanks face through the opening is just terrific.
After that? Absolute and total suck.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:00:24am |
re: #152 MandyManners
Citing unnamed sources briefed on the defection, the network said Shahram Amiri, a nuclear physicist in his early 30s, defected as part of a long-planned operation to get him to leave Iran and resettle in the United States.
"The significance of the coup will depend on how much the scientist knew in the compartmentalized Iranian nuclear programme," said Richard Clarke, a former White House counterterrorism official who now works as a consultant for ABC.
"Just taking one scientist out of the program will not really disrupt it," he said.
A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment.
Amiri, a university researcher working for Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, disappeared during a pilgrimage to Mecca in June, three months before Iran disclosed the existence of its second uranium enrichment site near the city of Qom.
In December, Tehran accused Saudi Arabia of handing Amiri over to the United States.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:03:16am |
re: #156 Jadespring
Morning Lizards,
Had to get up a little earlier today. (yawn) Have to take the dog for a early ultrasound appointment.
What's up with the pup?
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:03:23am |
BTW ((Ladies))
Checking the cupre: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It hurt, but it reminds me be careful. I just bounced off the floor. It could have been worse. If any any of you Lizard doubt about this, just take a fully charged cap into your hand (@25000VDC) and see how it feels. aferword
May I suggest the output of of a standard car ignition ciol?
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Jadespring Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:04:35am |
re: #187 RogueOne
What's up with the pup?
Hopefully she's pregnant. Have to get it confirmed and check for any problems.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:07:10am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
Newt is suppose to give a speech in St. Pete tonight or tomorrow. The left is trying to recruit 1000 people to shut him down. (they don't say that, but they ain't fooling me)
Speaking of Free Speech, this was on FARK a couple days ago:
[Link: cnews.canoe.ca...]
VANCOUVER — A comedian whose put-downs of a lesbian and her companion in the audience is hoping she doesn’t have the last laugh at a B.C. Human Rights Commission tribunal this week.Was Guy Earle’s discriminatory verbal assault spurred solely by the woman’s sexual orientation, or was the professional funny man exercising his right to free speech when an audience member wouldn’t settle down?
Earle, who’s been a stand-up comic for more than two decades, was the volunteer master of ceremonies at amateur night at a Vancouver restaurant in May 2007.
Lorna Pardy and her same-sex partner had moved to seats near the stage after the patio closed. Pardy’s lawyer says as they spoke with the waitress they were bombarded by a series of gay slurs courtesy of Earle.
But Earle, who lives in Georgetown, Ont., and has a day job as a physicist, has a different version of events and said his remarks come with the comedy show territory.
“When you heckle me and you’ve been disrespectful through the whole show, I come from the George Carlin school of dealing with a heckler,” he said in an interview. “So yeah, I shoved it down their throat and that’s what you do.”
Can we hear again how the canadians have free speech rights that are almost the same as ours?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:07:19am |
re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
First seven minutes are disturbingly wonderful... then 95 minutes of ugh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:08:20am |
re: #188 Bubblehead II
May I suggest the output of of a standard car ignition coil?
That'll change your coif.
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Ericus58 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:08:56am |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
10 Students Gunned Down In Mexico
Some kids from our school were going to go help out at schools in Tijuana during spring break. That was cancelled after the people from the consulate were shot.
This is horrifying.
Mexico is in the midst of horror...
My son spent several of his Christmas breaks from high school helping to build homes in the Tijuana area just a few years ago. I can't imagine how I would feel about that now.
To think he was safer and welcomed in Nicaragua just two months ago with his University business class to help there.... mind numbing.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:09:15am |
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:09:33am |
re: #183 MandyManners
I feel a disturbance in the meme.
But, then again, the current AG is doing everything he can to make Alberto Gonzales look great.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:10:24am |
re: #197 Taqyia2Me
But, then again, the current AG is doing everything he can to make Alberto Gonzales look great.
I had no problems with Gonzalez.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:12:23am |
re: #198 MandyManners
I had no problems with Gonzalez.
The Dems salivated with so much hate for him they needed a bib.
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Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:13:45am |
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:13:53am |
re: #198 MandyManners
I had no problems with Gonzalez.
Me neither, but the meme is "not in agreeance" with us on that issue.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:14:01am |
re: #198 MandyManners
My super-lib next door neighbor is a Justice Department Atty. Thought Gonzales was an idiot. Thinks Holder is an idiot too.
He's a fair guy, so I believe him.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:16:46am |
I got an email last night with "proof" that HCR is a way to "chip" everyone. Me head hurts.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:17:00am |
Morning everyone. I found out about an organization this morning that is standing up to the Westboro Baptist Asshole Church.
[Link: www.matthewsnyder.org...]
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:17:14am |
Another reason to hope Butler wins this weekend, they have to go to classes all week including thursday and friday. Student athletes with the emphasis on "student"
"Thursday we have practice at Lucas Oil (Stadium) and some mandatory media sessions, so we'll shuttle guys back for some of their afternoon classes," Stevens said early Tuesday morning, with the rising sun casting rectangular beams of light onto the Hinkle Fieldhouse court. "Then Friday, a couple of our guys have morning classes before the open practice (at The Luke) at noon, so we'll shuttle them back to campus."I have no way of confirming this as fact, but I've got to believe Butler is the first team in the storied history of the Final Four whose players will be required to go to class the day before the national semifinal game.
"I've got a heavy load on Friday. Some guys don't have anything, but I wasn't as lucky with scheduling," Gordon Hayward said. He has three math-related classes and a class in something called game theory. (Don't ask me; I was very liberal arts.) "I'm sure guys would have liked not having to go to class, but the upside, being at home and being around friends, that outweighs the downside."
Go Butler!
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:18:18am |
re: #204 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. I found out about an organization this morning that is standing up to the Westboro
BaptistAsshole Church.[Link: www.matthewsnyder.org...]
They talked about the marine dad who has to pay their court costs on Morning Joe earlier. They talked about wanting to mention it so people could chip in to help pay the guys expenses. Very nice of them.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:19:32am |
re: #206 RogueOne
I found out about it on Red Eye. Bill O'Reilly offered to help the family with legal fees.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:21:03am |
re: #186 MandyManners
Excellent news, Mandy. I hope the administration has the good sense to get him in front of some UN committee (however useless it may be) to testify about the military aspects of iran's nuke program.
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laZardo Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:22:19am |
re: #208 _RememberTonyC
Excellent news, Mandy. I hope the administration has the good sense to get him in front of some UN committee (however useless it may be) to testify about the military aspects of iran's nuke program.
Maybe Jack Bauer can be assigned to his protective detail. q:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:23:03am |
re: #204 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. I found out about an organization this morning that is standing up to the Westboro
BaptistAsshole Church.[Link: www.matthewsnyder.org...]
Those douche bags protested less than a mile from my mom's house at a service members funeral. A biker group drowned them out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:23:57am |
re: #205 RogueOne
Michigan State 75% of players.
Butler graduates 82%
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Lapchick's study said that based on the GSR formula, 68 percent of teams bound for the NCAA men's basketball tournament graduated 70 percent or more of their white players, but just 30 percent graduated 70 percent or more of black players. While 76 percent of white basketball players receive degrees, just 51 percent of black players do.
Wow. Sad.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:28:41am |
re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
looooooove the avatar, FBV.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:28:48am |
re: #205 RogueOne
(If they were playing in NYC, they wouldn't be required to go to class before practice... I am sure.)
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hellointernet Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:30:24am |
Man. I manage to finally (more or less) wrest free from Facebook, in an effort to quit goofing off while I work, in the same week that I finally receive LGF commenting credentials.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:31:36am |
re: #215 hellointernet
Man. I manage to finally (more or less) wrest free from Facebook, in an effort to quit goofing off while I work, in the same week that I finally receive LGF commenting credentials.
You're pretty much screwed now. This place will suck you in. And, WELCOME!!
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Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:33:05am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:33:35am |
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:36:49am |
re: #209 laZardo
Maybe Jack Bauer can be assigned to his protective detail. q:
if the administration is smart, they'll use him to shred the credibility of the mullahs once and for all. and if this guy's family is in danger in iran, the POTUS should spread that message of oppression. And then he should put his rhetorical skills to better use AGAINST the islamofascists in tehran.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:37:56am |
re: #221 _RememberTonyC
if the administration is smart, they'll use him to shred the credibility of the mullahs once and for all. and if this guy's family is in danger in iran, the POTUS should spread that message of oppression. And then he should put his rhetorical skills to better use AGAINST the islamofascists in tehran.
He's busy right now. Sorry.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:39:46am |
Yay! Time for work! Yay!
...the hell is wrong with me...?
:)
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:46:09am |
re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michigan State 75% of players.
Butler graduates 82%[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Lapchick's study said that based on the GSR formula, 68 percent of teams bound for the NCAA men's basketball tournament graduated 70 percent or more of their white players, but just 30 percent graduated 70 percent or more of black players. While 76 percent of white basketball players receive degrees, just 51 percent of black players do.
Wow. Sad.
The Michigan State/Butler game should be a very good matching. They both play such similar styles they're almost the same team.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:51:19am |
re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(If they were playing in NYC, they wouldn't be required to go to class before practice... I am sure.)
LIES! They'd have brought the classes with them, that's how dedicated they are. If you don't root for Butler you must be a godless commie.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:53:32am |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
looove the avatar, FBV.
Toot's helped make my avatar picture so it would fit.
THANKS TOOTS!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:54:55am |
re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Toot's helped make my avatar picture so it would fit.
THANKS TOOTS!
Me getting your old one. But when I click on it, I get the new one. And I ain't refreshing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:02:15am |
re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar
Perhaps Summer's Eve would help you feel refreshed?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:03:08am |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps Summer's Eve would help you feel refreshed?
Then I could go roller skating or ride in a hot air balloon, or...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:03:34am |
re: #224 RogueOne
I've just decided... that is going to be my new way of picking the team I am going to root for in the Final Four. School with the highest Graduation Rate (minus players that leave early for NBA)...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:04:26am |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
Horseback riding... having uncomfortable discussions with a daughter about hygiene....
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:04:40am |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
Then I could go roller skating or ride in a hot air balloon, or...
Horseback riding and swimming!
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:04:55am |
Texas police create another young libertarian:
More Complaints against Carollton PD Surface
[Link: www.myfoxdfw.com...]
On the way home with his family he found himself in a battle with police, despite having no criminal record and no outstanding warrants.Casillas said a Carrollton officer began following him on Country Club Drive.
“Next thing you know he turns on his lights so we take a right on Metrocrest,” he said.
He drove half a block and then pulled into the Metrocrest Village Apartments complex.
“He got out of the car, came to the window and asked me why I didn’t stop sooner. I said I wanted to stop in a well lit area,” Casillas said.
And that’s when things turned sour.
Cassillas claims the officer cursed and yelled at him to get out of the car. He got angry when he didn’t and instead questioned why he had been pulled over.
Another officer arrived at the scene and took his 5-year-old son out of the back seat. Casillas said officers then filled his car with mace.
While his wife was treated by paramedics because of the mace, he was arrested and spent a night in the Carrollton jail. He was charged with resisting arrest.
The couple said their son has been in counseling since the incident. The boy suffers from anxiety attacks in the car and when he sees police officers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:04:58am |
re: #230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've just decided... that is going to be my new way of picking the team I am going to root for in the Final Four. School with the highest Graduation Rate (minus players that leave early for NBA)...
Why not root for the team where the players leave early for the NBA but still work on their degree in the off season?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:05:29am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:06:01am |
re: #234 Cannadian Club Akbar
Nah... no proof... just going to look at the last few years grad rates and the highest ranked will get my support.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:08:22am |
I have 52 minutes to decide if I want to interview for a management position or try to make my evil plan work. It's a gamble either way.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:10:25am |
re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have 52 minutes to decide if I want to interview for a management position or try to make my evil plan work. It's a gamble either way.
does going to the interview mean you'll definitely say "yes" to the job?
Go to the interview. That gives you:
1) More options
2) Additional time to figure out what you want
3) More options (again - this is not a bad thing)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:11:29am |
re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have 52 minutes to decide if I want to interview for a management position or try to make my evil plan work. It's a gamble either way.
What if you skip the interview and it turns out that missing it screwed up your evil plan?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:13:10am |
re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have 52 minutes to decide if I want to interview for a management position or try to make my evil plan work. It's a gamble either way.
I have an hour before I leave for training for my cashier job at the supermarket. "Do you want paper, plastic or you want I throw it in the general direction of your car?"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:13:28am |
re: #239 reine.de.tout
does going to the interview mean you'll definitely say "yes" to the job?
Go to the interview. That gives you:
1) More options
2) Additional time to figure out what you want
3) More options (again - this is not a bad thing)
re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What if you skip the interview and it turns out that missing it screwed up your evil plan?
I have a solid argument for the evil plan. I can sell it. And the feedback from the place offering the management doesn't get high marks.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:13:48am |
BBIAB - got to get cleaned up and presentable for the public.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:14:00am |
Another "WTF?"
Parents Accuse Officer of Racially Profiling Boys
[Link: www.wkbn.com...]
The Simmons boys, ages 7, 9, and 10, were walking home from school Friday afternoon in Warren when they noticed a police cruiser nearby.The boys didn't pay much attention to the cop car, but the officer driving noticed them and called 911 dispatch.
"(Breaking and entering) in progress, three black males down Atlantic Street," the officer told dispatch.
Moments after spotting the cruiser, the boys, who were in the backyard of their Sarkies Drive home, said the cop came up to them.
"He walked up with his gun and ordered us down on the ground in the mud," said 10-year-old Tony Simmons.
The boys said the cop asked them what was in 9-year-old Stephen's backpack. When the boy replied he had just school papers, the cop went through it and then tossed it on the ground, the boys said.
During an interview at their home Monday morning, the boys said they had no idea why they were held at gunpoint.
"Like I just wanted someone to come help us," said 7-year-old David. "I was really scared. I didn't know what the cop was going to do to us."
3 kids under the age of 10 held face down, at gunpoint, in their own backyard. WTF is wrong with people?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:16:12am |
re: #241 Walter L. Newton
I have an hour before I leave for training for my cashier job at the supermarket. "Do you want paper, plastic or you want I throw it in the general direction of your car?"
Walter - LOL -
The Roi and I had lunch at a nice restaurant earlier this week.
The waitress brought us our tea, and then came back with straws, and tossed them over the bread basket and onto the table in front of us.
Then at the end of the meal, she asked if we wanted a to-go box, we said yes, and she brought the box and just plopped it down on top of the bread. LOL.
I honestly didn't get the impression that she was trying to be rude. She simply lacked any training whatsoever.
Just because you're smart and savvy, don't assume everyone is.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:17:29am |
re: #242 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a solid argument for the evil plan. I can sell it. And the feedback from the place offering the management doesn't get high marks.
CCA - I worked in HR for 30 years.
My advice to everyone: Always keep your options open until the point at which an actual job offer is made and you have to make a decision.
In other words, go to the interview.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:17:53am |
re: #245 reine.de.tout
Bringing a Go box is common. Plopping isn't.
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:18:36am |
Hmm, I see it's been mentioned a few times already, but Russia's been hit again.
I'm waiting to see Putin's response.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:18:36am |
re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bringing a Go box is common. Plopping isn't.
Underscoring the importance of even the most basic of training.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:20:27am |
re: #249 reine.de.tout
Underscoring the importance of even the most basic of training.
I've actually been on a 6 member team that wrote a training manual for a Fortune 500 company. They gave me a pen. A fucking pen.
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charlz Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:20:42am |
Good morning. A few months ago several of us were relating our attempts to quit smoking. How's everyone doing? For me it now has been one year (and about 50 lbs), but the craving pangs are fewer and fewer and I'm ready to say I'm an ex-smoker!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:22:08am |
Oh, no. More shit blew up in Russia.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:22:43am |
re: #251 charlz
Careful... that is the first step toward starting again.
Don't let down your guard. That's what happened to me.
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charlz Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:23:22am |
re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good for you!! (I hate you)
/
Because I'm an ex-smoker or because I'm now pleasingly plump?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:23:54am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:25:03am |
re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar
Umm, yes?
/
All kidding aside, good for you Charlz. On the not smoking thing.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:27:03am |
re: #246 reine.de.tout
CCA - I worked in HR for 30 years.
My advice to everyone: Always keep your options open until the point at which an actual job offer is made and you have to make a decision.
In other words, go to the interview.
I might. It might come down to money. But my evil plan will mean more than any that will be offered.
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charlz Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:27:07am |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't let down your guard. That's what happened to me.
I am conscious of that. It's amazing how a little part of your mind will whisper "it's been x months now, you can have just one." Trepanation might be in order.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:28:39am |
I've mentioned stories before about the Dallas prosecutor being a stand-up man and doing the right thing to make sure the people they put in prison are actually guilty. This is a follow-up to one of the men who was released:
Court permits exoneree's suit against Irving officer to continue
[Link: www.wfaa.com...]
DALLAS (AP) - A wrongly convicted man who spent more than nine years in prison may continue his lawsuit against a Dallas-area police detective he says framed him, according to a federal appeals court ruling.The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans denied an appeal Tuesday from a former Irving police detective who claimed he was shielded from civil action by the doctrine of qualified immunity, which protects government workers performing their official duties.
Lawyers who work on innocence cases said the ruling was significant because of the difficulty in successfully suing police and prosecutors
.....
Donald Wayne Good was convicted of burglary with intent to rape in connection with a 1983 assault of a suburban Dallas woman. He served nine years of a life sentence before his 1993 release. In 2004, a DNA test cleared him of the crime.According to the lawsuit, Good says he was framed by Irving police detective Fred Curtis, who suspected Good in a series of burglaries. Frustrated by Good's refusal to admit his role in the burglaries, Curtis is accused of doctoring his suspect's mug shot to match a sketch of a rape suspect. Curtis then included the mug shot in a lineup in the unrelated rape case, according to Good.
The cop should have to do 9 years just like Mr. Good. Nothing else is going to put a stop to dirty cops crossing the line.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:30:13am |
I am on a "down with the man!" roll this morning. Bad Cop! No donut for you!
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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:31:48am |
re: #244 RogueOne
More (sigh) on the SF Drug Lab:
Overworked S.F. drug lab was sloppy, audit says
The audit says that the problem came from overwork, an untenable load.
Every lab in the US is overworked and has an untenable load.
I would very much like the Justice department to ask some professors of forensics or some other non-partisan and respected body to do an independent audit of just a sampling of US drug labs. I bet that the results would be that the majority of them would be found to have critical errors.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:33:01am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:33:26am |
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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:34:41am |
re: #263 Obdicut
If you read through the article, it's insane how 'sloppy' the lab was. Sloppy doesn't even begin to cover it. They were using outdated techniques, had literally impossible caseloads, almost zero tracking and security of evidence, and employees stealing the drugs.
You could set up a drug lab inside a prison and get more ethical behavior.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:35:04am |
Spray of gunfire leaves 4 dead, 5 wounded in SE D.C.
As violent as DC's reputation is, this is a rare occurance. Not so rare during the 80s, but pretty shocking these days.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:35:20am |
re: #246 reine.de.tout
I called and left a message. (straight to voice mail) I'll do the interview. I can get my evil plan in motion before I even go to the interview.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:35:41am |
re: #263 Obdicut
I think we should be able to use the death penalty a lot more often for a variety of crimes, the problem is I don't think we can trust our judicial system to make sure they're actually convicting guilty people. I take for granted that the vast majority of people in prison are guilty but the more we learn about corrupt cops and shady forensics it makes you wonder exactly how many innocent people do we have behind bars?
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:37:25am |
Noor Almaleki typed a text message to a friend.
"Dude," she wrote at 1:06 p.m. last October 20, "my dad is here at the welfare office."
Noor, age twenty, hadn't seen her father, Faleh, since she moved out of the family home in Glendale, Arizona, a city about nine miles outside of Phoenix, months earlier.
But his presence both startled and alarmed her. She knew he wouldn't rest until he'd regained complete control of her life.
Noor was the first-born of Faleh and Seham Almaleki's seven children. Her first name means "light of God." The Almalekis had moved to the United States from Iraq when Noor was four.
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But Noor was thirsty. She suggested they go to the nearby Mexican restaurant for a cold drink. The pair walked west along the sidewalk next to the office and started across the lot.
Seemingly out of nowhere, Amal saw a vehicle coming right at them. She lifted her hands in defense, as if to stop the inevitable.
In that moment, she could see Faleh Almaleki behind the wheel.
The Jeep smashed into the women.
It dragged Noor across a curbed median and left her splayed on the pavement, unconscious and bleeding.
The impact hurled Amal Khalaf about 27 feet. She suffered a broken pelvis, broken femur and myriad cuts and bruises, but she remained conscious.
Police later estimated that the SUV was moving as fast as 30 miles per hour.
Faleh sped out of the parking lot.
Noor was barely alive, having suffered massive brain and spinal injuries, as well as innumerable broken bones.
Amal quickly provided police with a motive. She said the Almalekis were furious with both her and Noor for the current living arrangement.
Amal explained that Faleh had been hell-bent on showing her and his daughter who was boss, who was in control.
SNIP
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:38:07am |
re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar
You're not gonna let that go, are you?:)
Not immediately, no. I'm hoping Charles posts the video...it really was a good sketch. And the Greta Van Susteren interview where Sarah yammers about how great McCain is, and Greta asks McCain his thoughts, and it's obvious he hasn't even been paying attention, "Uh, could you repeat the question?" Fucking priceless.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:38:22am |
re: #268 Obdicut
If you read through the article, it's insane how 'sloppy' the lab was. Sloppy doesn't even begin to cover it. They were using outdated techniques, had literally impossible caseloads, almost zero tracking and security of evidence, and employees stealing the drugs.
You could set up a drug lab inside a prison and get more ethical behavior.
Indianapolis uncovered the same problem a few years ago. My guess is it's probably pretty commonplace. Balko has been covering the forensics fiasco in Mississippi for years now and they finally did something about it last week:
Progress and Challenges in Mississippi
Disgraced medical examiner Steven Hayne's career appears to be over, but the state has much more work to do.
[Link: reason.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:39:24am |
re: #271 RogueOne
I think we should be able to use the death penalty a lot more often for a variety of crimes, the problem is I don't think we can trust our judicial system to make sure they're actually convicting guilty people. I take for granted that the vast majority of people in prison are guilty but the more we learn about corrupt cops and shady forensics it makes you wonder exactly how many innocent people do we have behind bars?
It's really no different than ALL THE SHADY public officials, cops, politicians, school board members... the whole ball of wax. If there is a way to scam as much money as they can from the system, they will do it. I probably bore people to death reusing these two words, but anyway, if you don't know the definitions, look up kleptocrat and plutocrat...
That's what we have "running" this county right now, and the rest of us are fucked.
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Transfromnation Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:39:48am |
re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar
And a good name for a band!!!
John McCain and the Nipple Zippers.
Instant success!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:40:25am |
So who could make a media martyr out of a guy like Zuloaga? Chávez may well have done it on March 25, when his left-wing government arrested Zuloaga for making comments "offensive and disrespectful" to the President. Speaking in Aruba the week before, Zuloaga had remarked that it was a shame Chávez wasn't overthrown in the failed April 2002 coup and said the putsch happened because Chávez had ordered his forces to fire on antigovernment protesters, an opposition charge that has never been proven. Zuloaga went on to argue that Venezuela lacks freedom of expression because Chávez is increasingly harassing independent media, including Globovisión, a network Chávez has repeatedly threatened to shut down. "Chávez," said Zuloaga, who denies the defamation-against-the-state charge and is now free on bail, "is setting up a disguised communism."
(Read a review of the book Chávez gave President Obama in April 2009.)
Provocative stuff — but in few countries would it merit the five years in prison Zuloaga could get if he's convicted under Venezuela's defamation laws. Another Chávez opponent, former Zulia state Governor Oswaldo Alvarez Paz, was arrested on March 24 for suggesting, on Globovisión, that Venezuelan officials had aided the Basque terrorist group ETA, and that Venezuela had become a key transshipment point for drug traffickers. (He denies the charge of spreading false information but remains locked up, say prosecutors, as a flight risk.) "The end of impunity for the bourgeoisie has come," Chávez declared. He rejected claims that the arrests were politically motivated efforts to stifle opposition to his 11-year-old revolution as the economy falters and he faces a growing challenge in this year's parliamentary elections. And he insisted that due process was being followed. "Who can criticize that?" he asked.
SNIP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:40:27am |
I get my first FULL paycheck today. Hope crack still cost the same!!
/2
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:42:02am |
re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar
I get my first FULL paycheck today. Hope crack still cost the same!!
/2
How much were you paying per gram?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:42:04am |
re: #276 Transfromnation
John McCain and the Nipple Zippers.
Instant success!
Yea, but all the song lyrics would start the same.
"My friends." Heh.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:42:18am |
re: #277 MandyManners
Anybody that still uses bourgesoisie needs a thesarus!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:43:36am |
re: #279 Walter L. Newton
How much were you paying per gram?
Around here, the dealers work in shifts. And they deliver. They even have business cards. I wish I was kidding.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:44:18am |
re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar
Around here, the dealers work in shifts. And they deliver. They even have business cards. I wish I was kidding.
Entrepreneurs.
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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:44:59am |
re: #271 RogueOne
I don't like the death penalty, but that's a moot point.
I think a lot of good would be done by making prosecutors a locked-out position; anyone taking the role of prosecutor would be barred from running for elected office. Likewise for judges.
I think a large amount of the problem is that police departments are often coerced or given heavy incentives to arrange cases in the way the DA wants. So the DA wants some particular bust, tons of police time gets thrown on it even if its just a drug trafficking case and not, say, a homicide of a homeless person. As a result, the most politically valuable cases, not the ones that most threaten the public good, are the ones being prosecuted in a lot of areas.
Moreover, Internal Affairs is often either a joke or the bully boys of the District Attorney, and since most cops have at least skirted the line, most of them fear and hate an IA investigation. So you have a position where the cops have their job politicized, which does them no good and the public no good, but does do the prosecutors some good.
That's why it's very hard for me to vote for anyone who was a former prosecutor, for any office.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:45:02am |
I'm really stoked. I'm going to get a weeks worth of new slip over shirts and a little vest from the supermarket. The employees wear these dark blue slip over shirts and a black vest. I noticed some employees wearing "King Soopers" baseball styled hats, I hope they have some of them in stock, I like caps. Pants are optional.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:45:43am |
re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar
Around here, the dealers work in shifts. And they deliver. They even have business cards. I wish I was kidding.
I wish you would have answered my question? How much a gram? I may consider moving?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:46:15am |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
I'm really stoked. I'm going to get a weeks worth of new slip over shirts and a little vest from the supermarket. The employees wear these dark blue slip over shirts and a black vest. I noticed some employees wearing "King Soopers" baseball styled hats, I hope they have some of them in stock, I like caps. Pants are optional.
Good for you, Walter. And please wear pants.:)
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:46:36am |
re: #283 RogueOne
Heh. A guy my dad went to school with was busted a few years ago for growing pot. I'm 51 so you get some idea of how old this guy is. We all mafe jokes about how he was just trying to supplement his Soc. Sec. !
He got probation for 5 tears or something like that.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:46:40am |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
I'm really stoked. I'm going to get a weeks worth of new slip over shirts and a little vest from the supermarket. The employees wear these dark blue slip over shirts and a black vest. I noticed some employees wearing "King Soopers" baseball styled hats, I hope they have some of them in stock, I like caps. Pants are optional.
You won't think they're optional if you get stuck restocking the freezer section.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:47:54am |
re: #286 Walter L. Newton
I wish you would have answered my question? How much a gram? I may consider moving?
Years ago I worked with a guy that went to Ft. Myers and brought it back and doubled his money. But I can tell you it is cheaper at 3 feet above sea level than at 8200!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:48:43am |
re: #289 darthstar
You won't think they're optional if you get stuck restocking the freezer section.
Frozen berries, isle 5. Heh.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:49:46am |
If you still think that Beck boycott is killing fox, this story is going to hurt your feelings.
Q1 2010 Cable Ranker: Fox News #2 Overall; Has Top 13 Shows in Cable News
[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]
Fox News Channel continued its dominance in the cable news universe becoming the second most-watched basic cable channel for the first three months of this year, only behind USA Network. FNC also had the top 13 programs in cable news in both Total Viewers and younger viewers.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:49:59am |
re: #289 darthstar
You won't think they're optional if you get stuck restocking the freezer section.
That's a point. I'm actually going to work as a cashier, but I know when there is down time or things are slow, they use the cashiers like All Purpose Clerks and have them perform duties toward the front of the store like stocking, within visual distance of the their assigned cash register.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:50:18am |
re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar
When I was stationed in Cape Canaveral from '86 to '90 a buddy kept talking about "square groupers". He was talking about catching a bale of pot the smugglers had tossed overboard while being chased by the DEA/Coast Guard. The stuff was washing up on the beach.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:51:05am |
re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar
Years ago I worked with a guy that went to Ft. Myers and brought it back and doubled his money. But I can tell you it is cheaper at 3 feet above sea level than at 8200!!
Really... I'm probably going to leave my crack home on this first day of work.
/
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:51:26am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
Shrink-wrapped Frozen berries, isle 5. Heh.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:51:58am |
re: #293 Walter L. Newton
What? You're not gonna be at the front of the store saying "welcome to Mega Foods. Git yer shit and get out"!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:52:06am |
April 9, 1985 - The first known female suicide bomber may have been 16-year-old Sana'a Youcef Mehaidli, a member of the secular Syrian Social Nationalist Party. Also known as Sana Khyadali, she drove a vehicle into an Israeli Defense Force convoy in southern Lebanon, killing two soldiers.
May 21, 1991 - Thenmozhi Rajaratnam, a female militant with the Tamil Tigers, carried out a suicide bombing killing Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi at an election campaign rally in southern Tamil Nadu state.
- He sent more than 50,000 Indian soldiers to enforce a peace accord between the LTTE and Colombo in 1987. It quickly collapsed and the Indians ended up fighting the LTTE before being withdrawn in 1990.
March 16, 1999 - At least four people were killed and five wounded when a female suicide bomber blows herself up in a suburb of the Sri Lankan capital Colombo. The bomber jumped in front of a car carrying Chief Inspector Mohammed Nilabdeen of the police terrorist investigation unit. Nilabdeen was wounded.
- As well as the bomber, the dead included a man who swallowed a cyanide capsule when apprehended at the blast site.
June 2000 - Two Chechen women drove a truck laden with explosives into an army base at Alkhan-Yurt, west of Grozny in Chechnya. At least 27 Russian special forces soldiers were killed.
April 12, 2002 - Female suicide bomber blew herself up at the Mahane Yehuda market, Jerusalem's main outdoor market, killing six people and wounding nearly 90.
SNIP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:52:38am |
re: #294 pingjockey
When I was stationed in Cape Canaveral from '86 to '90 a buddy kept talking about "square groupers". He was talking about catching a bale of pot the smugglers had tossed overboard while being chased by the DEA/Coast Guard. The stuff was washing up on the beach.
We had a local fisherman that ran bales and got caught. Clinton pardoned him. (this is not a blast on Clinton) My friend and I considered this. He had a hydroplane.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:53:11am |
re: #281 pingjockey
Anybody that still uses bourgesoisie needs a thesarus!
It's not the first time Chavez has used it. I posted a story a few weeks ago in which he excoriated that class.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:53:29am |
re: #297 pingjockey
What? You're not gonna be at the front of the store saying "welcome to Mega Foods. Git yer shit and get out"!
You got it... "You want someone to help you to your car? You want the midget or... " (never mind, some people here will NEVER see the humor)...
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:53:30am |
re: #284 Obdicut
Completely agree. Prosecutors are more often concerned with their conviction rates than worrying about justice. If they can get themselves on TV showing how tough they are on crime all the better, they're too often using their office as a political stepping stone for a higher profile job.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:54:11am |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
Woah. A hydroplane? Cool. I just wanted to find a brief case full of bearer bonds, like on Die Hard.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:54:35am |
re: #297 pingjockey
What? You're not gonna be at the front of the store saying "welcome to Mega Foods. Git yer shit and get out"!
"Welcome to Costco, I love you"
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:54:36am |
Grieving Muscovites were adding to heaps of flowers and placed photographs of the dead under memorial plaques at the stations where the bombers struck Monday morning during the early commuter rush.
“We need to focus our attention on certain aspects of improving legislation aimed at preventing terrorist acts,” a grim-faced Medvedev said in televised remarks.
SNIP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:55:00am |
re: #303 pingjockey
Woah. A hydroplane? Cool. I just wanted to find a brief case full of bearer bonds, like on Die Hard.
8 feet long with a 20 horse. Fast and good in shallow water.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:55:57am |
re: #306 pingjockey
Heh. Good luck Walter.
Thanks... a job is a job and I'm grateful to find something to do. I hate being a statistic.
And by the way, the administration didn't help create or save this job for me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:56:16am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:57:28am |
re: #309 Walter L. Newton
Thanks... a job is a job and I'm grateful to find something to do. I hate being a statistic.
And by the way, the administration didn't help create or save this job for me.
BINGO!! I got my job I have by working my ass off for the guy for 5 years.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 6:59:25am |
re: #309 Walter L. Newton
Me neither. I'm supposed to go back to work Monday, if the doc clears me tomorrow. I am actively looking for something else. I don't think I'll be able to completely do all the physical stuff my fire suppression sysytem maintenance entails anymore. Trying to find something where I'm using my brain and not my back! The damn cancer surgery has buggered up my left shoulder and my toungue doesn't work right! Sounds like I've got a snootful when I talk!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:00:17am |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
BINGO!! I got my job I have by working my ass off for the guy for 5 years.
And on a similar note...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:00:25am |
re: #312 pingjockey
Me neither. I'm supposed to go back to work Monday, if the doc clears me tomorrow. I am actively looking for something else. I don't think I'll be able to completely do all the physical stuff my fire suppression sysytem maintenance entails anymore. Trying to find something where I'm using my brain and not my back! The damn cancer surgery has buggered up my left shoulder and my toungue doesn't work right! Sounds like I've got a snootful when I talk!
Funny. Me too!!
/
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:00:35am |
re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar
Apperently the islamists aren't against treating women the same in these cases.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:01:30am |
re: #312 pingjockey
Me neither. I'm supposed to go back to work Monday, if the doc clears me tomorrow. I am actively looking for something else. I don't think I'll be able to completely do all the physical stuff my fire suppression sysytem maintenance entails anymore. Trying to find something where I'm using my brain and not my back! The damn cancer surgery has buggered up my left shoulder and my toungue doesn't work right! Sounds like I've got a snootful when I talk!
I hope you can find someway to do what you need/want to do. Good luck.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:03:08am |
re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heh. We have to laugh about it. They took out six lymph nodes part of a major vein and some nerves. Have to laugh other wise I'd be a mess. Gone from 200lbs to about 160. Not good. I thought I was just losing weight, not true. Lost a bunch of muscle mass. Pissed me off to no end.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:03:25am |
Agents from the Federal Security Service (FSB) believe that the women were avenging the death of Said Buryatsky, the leading ideologue of the Islamist rebels in the North Caucasus, who was killed this month in Ingushetia. They were trying to establish whether the attack was a one-off response to his death or the start of a suicide bombing campaign that he had prepared before the FSB tracked him down.
SNIP
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:03:45am |
re: #316 Walter L. Newton
Just have to keep looking. I'll find something.
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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:04:27am |
re: #312 pingjockey
It's can be a soul-killing job if your bosses are evil, but insurance companies hire arson investigators all the time. With your experience, you might be able to do forensics on fire suppression systems with some insurance company.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:05:09am |
This flashed across the local news last night before I went to bed. This guy is lucky the police showed the proper restraint:
[Link: www.theindychannel.com...]
INDIANAPOLIS -- The bomb squad was called to a downtown police substation Tuesday night after a man who was carrying anti-American materials left a bag by the building, police said.Sgt. Paul Thompson said Richard Dallaly, 47, put a book bag by the downtown roll call center at 25 W. 9th St. just after 8 p.m., telling officers that he was praying, and that he didn't like America.
When officers searched Dallaly, they found bomb-making pamphlets and anti-American materials, Thompson said.
"While that in and of itself is not illegal, the circumstances were sufficient to enough that we thought it was necessary to investigate further," he said.
Police shut down traffic for a block in each direction and the bomb squad was called in.
Thompson said a robot used to further inspect the book bag, but found no bomb or bomb-making materials inside.
"He had instructions on how to make a bomb, according to the officer who looked at the papers," Thompson said.
The incident was resolved within 2½ hours. Dallaly was not arrested.
Not. Real. Smart.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:05:29am |
re: #318 MandyManners
I have no idea what's in the new Russian constituition that was adopted after the USSR went away, but I figure Putin is getting ready to chuck a lot of it into the circular file in the name of public safety.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:06:00am |
re: #317 pingjockey
Heh. We have to laugh about it. They took out six lymph nodes part of a major vein and some nerves. Have to laugh other wise I'd be a mess. Gone from 200lbs to about 160. Not good. I thought I was just losing weight, not true. Lost a bunch of muscle mass. Pissed me off to no end.
Sorry man. Wasn't trying to make light of your situation. I didn't know. I knew about the cancer (we talked about it before) but didn't realize the effects it had.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:06:16am |
re: #312 pingjockey
Me neither. I'm supposed to go back to work Monday, if the doc clears me tomorrow. I am actively looking for something else. I don't think I'll be able to completely do all the physical stuff my fire suppression sysytem maintenance entails anymore. Trying to find something where I'm using my brain and not my back! The damn cancer surgery has buggered up my left shoulder and my toungue doesn't work right! Sounds like I've got a snootful when I talk!
I hope you get that good report from your doc!
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:06:18am |
re: #320 Obdicut
Hmmm. That might be interesting, Thank you.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:06:38am |
re: #308 pingjockey
ERA for Homicide Bombers Now!
Apropos of nothing, I am glad that the Fox news attempt to get Americans as a whole to adopt "homocide bomber" in lieu of 'suicide bomber' has failed...the above example being the first time outside of that network where I've seen the phrase used. Fact is, these fuckers do kill themselves in the process...renaming them to imply that they weren't even there is simply dishonest. Well, that's my opinion, anyway.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:06:58am |
The warning will heighten fears that Monday's rush-hour suicide attack on the Moscow metro by two women may just be the start of a large-scale terror campaign.
Investigators have said they were trying to confirm whether the two women were part of what was originally a 30-strong female "martyrs' brigade".
The terrorist who trained the brigade, an Islamist convert calling himself Said Buryatsky, was killed in a special forces operation earlier this month in Ingushetia, a strife-torn region bordering Chechnya. He was known as the Islamist rebel movement's ideologue-in-chief in southern Russia and the media had dubbed him "the Russian Bin Laden."
Investigators said the late terrorist, whose real name was Alexander Tikhomirov, had recruited 30 potential female suicide bombers in Chechnya and Ingushetia and dispatched them to Turkey to be taught the precepts of radical Islam in an unnamed Madrasah.
SNIP
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:07:18am |
re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don't freakin' worry. Humor is good!
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:09:32am |
re: #324 Taqyia2Me
Keeping fingers crossed. I hate to say it, but I'd like to be told I can't do this crap anymore. It's not the type of job you want to be doing at 65. You are climbing up on resturaunt appliances and climbing up in vents and ducts. Right now it's okay, but not 14 years from now!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:10:17am |
re: #322 pingjockey
I have no idea what's in the new Russian constituition that was adopted after the USSR went away, but I figure Putin is getting ready to chuck a lot of it into the circular file in the name of public safety.
Or, get the Duma and FCR to pass new laws as Medvedev wants.
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prairiefire Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:10:18am |
President Obama set to announce off shore drilling plans:[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:10:19am |
re: #328 pingjockey
Don't freakin' worry. Humor is good!
Then I am penicillin!! (actually, my great-not sure how many times) grandfather was on the doctors team that found penicillin!!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:10:59am |
re: #331 prairiefire
President Obama set to announce off shore drilling plans:[Link: www.latimes.com...]
I can hear the moonbat heads exploding!
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:11:02am |
The boston bullying case is still getting a lot of play. I'm still unsure how I feel about the whole issue:
Anger turns toward staff in bullying case
[Link: www.boston.com...]
SOUTH HADLEY — Enraged by revelations that staff members at South Hadley High School knew that Phoebe Prince was the target of withering harassment long before her death, residents and public officials yesterday angrily accused the school system of neglecting vulnerable students and called on top administrators to resign.“Now we find out they knew all along, and did nothing,’’ said Joe Marois, who runs a local construction company. “People are just bewildered they didn’t step in, and are wondering why they weren’t included with the students in the prosecution.’’
School officials, who had previously asserted they knew little about the bullying until after Prince’s death, said in a statement yesterday that they had removed an “additional small group of students’’ from school — the students were not identified — and upgraded the system for tracking bullying incidents. But officials said nothing to address questions about their role in handling the Prince case.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:12:31am |
Meanwhile, Code Pink gets its knickers in a twist.
Confronting Nordstrom’s support and sale of AHAVA products is our current action to “boycott, divest and sanction” companies profiting from the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian West Bank.
After receiving over 2000 emails this past weekend from concerned members of the community, Nordstrom spokesperson Tara Darrow defended selling AHAVA products, stating that Nordstrom “can’t please everyone and are bound to disappoint some customers.” She also held that AHAVA is not violating any labeling rules in the United States.
SNIP
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:12:52am |
re: #326 darthstar
Well they do kill themselves so suicide is right, but they take other people with them, so IMO homicide is a better descriptor.
BTW, a father of a Marine killed in Iraq has been ordered to pay court costs for Fred Phelps and his merry band of Morons in a lawsuit brought by the father after those assholes protested at his sons funeral. SCOTUS has decided to hear the case after the Appeals court threw out the judgement against Phelps and his Klan.
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prairiefire Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:13:04am |
re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, thank you! I would have been dead a long time ago without it due to chronic ear infections as a child.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:13:45am |
re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar
Awesome. I think my g'g'grandpa was a horse thief and cattle rustler!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:14:26am |
re: #337 prairiefire
Well, thank you! I would have been dead a long time ago without it due to chronic ear infections as a child.
My grandfather on my mom's side died from an ear infection when he was 48 or so.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:15:00am |
re: #338 pingjockey
Awesome. I think my g'g'grandpa was a horse thief and cattle rustler!
I like him better!!
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prairiefire Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:15:52am |
re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yep, awful stuff. I posted a while back about a young man who died from it. He didn't have insurance and he didn't seek medical help.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:16:24am |
John Boltons mustache could kick I'madinnerjackets ass.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:16:44am |
GRAMPS!!! Holy shit!!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:17:53am |
re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar
That is really cool. Ya got some good genes. Use them wisely. :)
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:18:11am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:19:09am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:19:28am |
re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have 52 minutes to decide if I want to interview for a management position or try to make my evil plan work. It's a gamble either way.
Xykon said that evil was a growth industry and that they were always hiring. Good luck!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:19:48am |
re: #348 MandyManners
My mother was at Hofstra the same time as Walken, but didn't know him. Still, that's almost a brush with fame for me.
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:20:35am |
re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar
GRAMPS!!! Holy shit!!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That is pretty cool...
Florey's portrait appeared on the Australian $50 note for 22 years (1973–95), and the suburb of Florey in the national capital Canberra is named after him.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:20:45am |
I didn't hear this yesterday, Jaime Escalante died:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Jaime Escalante, the charismatic former East Los Angeles high school teacher who taught the nation that inner-city students could master subjects as demanding as calculus, died Tuesday. He was 79.The subject of the 1988 film "Stand and Deliver," Escalante died at his son's home in Roseville, Calif., said actor Edward James Olmos, who portrayed the teacher in the film. Escalante had bladder cancer.
....
Escalante's rise came during an era decried by experts as one of alarming mediocrity in the nation's schools. He pushed for tougher standards and accountability for students and educators, often irritating colleagues and parents along the way with his brusque manner and uncompromising stands.He was called a traitor for his opposition to bilingual education. He said the hate mail he received for championing Proposition 227, the successful 1998 ballot measure to dismantle bilingual programs in California, was a factor in his decision to retire that year after leaving Garfield and teaching at Hiram Johnson High School in Sacramento for seven years.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:22:03am |
Good morning, folks! May your day be pleasant.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:22:13am |
re: #353 ShaunP
What?!?! Wow!! Thanks!! I just did a quick search. Gotta call mom later.:) (and tell her to send cookies)
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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:22:25am |
re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow, he shared the Nobel. Did you know that?
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:22:28am |
re: #335 MandyManners
Meanwhile, Code Pink
gets its knickers in a twist.concern trolls Nordstrom in a bid for media attention.
FTFY.
Code Pink hasn't been relevant in years, if they ever were in the first place. They can pull all the media stunts they want, but they're not going to accomplish anything but irritating people.
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prairiefire Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:22:50am |
This is my Wikipedia relative: a cousin, John Ericsson:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:22:58am |
Damn, FNC justed showed those asshats from that "church" at the Marines funeral. Those are the sort of people I could go medieval on and not bat an eye. Me thinks they've got a real warped idea of the Bible.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:23:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:23:29am |
re: #357 Obdicut
Wow, he shared the Nobel. Did you know that?
No. Geez, all these good genes. Dad's side were farmers.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:24:21am |
re: #354 RogueOne
I love the South Park parody of Stand and Deliver, with Cartman as the inner-city teacher.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:24:22am |
re: #358 Lidane
They disrupted a book signing by Karl Rove, Iraq and Afghanistan and the Pali problem are all his fault!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:24:50am |
re: #360 pingjockey
Damn, FNC justed showed those asshats from that "church" at the Marines funeral. Those are the sort of people I could go medieval on and not bat an eye. Me thinks they've got a real warped idea of the Bible.
Bill O'Reilly will pay the father's judgment if the Supreme Court rules he must pay their legal bills.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:25:09am |
re: #4 Lidane
Not quite sure what to make of this:
Gun Advocates Plan DC March On 15th Anniversary Of Oklahoma City Bombing
Can't understand why gun owners are a little paranoid//
Bloomberg Sends Stern Letter To Obama Demanding Gun-Control Action
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg -- who at one point was considered an Independent ally of the White House but has proven to be a somewhat reliable critic -- is going hard after the president, accusing Obama of dragging his feet on gun control.In a letter sent earlier this month from his coalition -- Mayors Against Illegal Guns -- Bloomberg comes intriguingly close to assigning blame for ongoing gun violence to the Obama administration. The mayor and his co-signer, Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, point to a separate report they sent the administration in early August 2009, which laid out 40 recommendations to "improve enforcement of existing gun laws" that simply required enforcing existing statutes. That report was apparently given only a perfunctory response from the Department of Justice and little tangible political action -- prompting a harsh follow-up letter from Bloomberg and Menino.
I'm sure the president is concerned that he'll lose the support of a republican mayor......Oh, and bloomberg is a nanny-state tool.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:25:34am |
re: #365 MandyManners
Allright. This case is going to SCOTUS.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:26:32am |
re: #361 MandyManners
I can't watch videos here. Angus who? Young? Colonel Angus?
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:26:33am |
re: #366 RogueOne
We have enough gun laws. Just enforce the damn things.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:27:12am |
re: #368 Mad Al-Jaffee
Angus Young. AC/DC, one of the best rock bands evah! IMO.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:27:13am |
re: #368 Mad Al-Jaffee
I can't watch videos here. Angus who? Young? Colonel Angus?
Prolly Young, knowing Mandy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:28:07am |
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:28:07am |
re: #369 pingjockey
We have enough gun laws. Just enforce the damn things.
Isn't that exactly what Bloomberg wanted?
In a letter sent earlier this month from his coalition -- Mayors Against Illegal Guns -- Bloomberg comes intriguingly close to assigning blame for ongoing gun violence to the Obama administration. The mayor and his co-signer, Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, point to a separate report they sent the administration in early August 2009, which laid out 40 recommendations to "improve enforcement of existing gun laws" that simply required enforcing existing statutes.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:28:07am |
re: #358 Lidane
FTFY.
Code Pink hasn't been relevant in years, if they ever were in the first place. They can pull all the media stunts they want, but they're not going to accomplish anything but irritating people.
They do a lot more than that. They assaulted Rove in San Francisco. They disrupted his book signing in Beverly Hills. They disrupt others at various events. They help Hamas. They insult AIPAC. Oh, I'm gonna' stop here.
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prairiefire Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:28:44am |
re: #360 pingjockey
They do. My local alternative radio station has the younger generation on to interview them occasionally. Ephedra, the DJ, disagrees with them but supports their free speech rights. The two Phelps's grand daughters say they picket the soldiers funerals because Americans idolize soldiers. They say they will be anywhere we idolize things. Not verbatim, but you get the drift.
Ephedra will compliment them on their looks and marketing style. The girls will say "oh no, I'm a hideous beast". Ephedra says she's trying to turn them.
One member she has interviewed has left the compound and Ephedra takes credit for it!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:28:50am |
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:30:21am |
re: #373 ShaunP
Bloomberg is the mayor, aren't his LE agencies doing their job? Or is he blaming the Feds for not enforcing existing laws?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:30:55am |
re: #370 pingjockey
Is veal from Black Angus calves also called Angus young?
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:31:45am |
re: #373 ShaunP
No, When it comes to guns, Bloomberg wants to make shit up as he goes along. His city having some of the most stringent gun laws in the country isn't enough for him, he wants the rest of the nation to follow his lead and if they don't he'll set up illegal stings to try to embarrass/force them into complying.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:31:49am |
re: #378 Mad Al-Jaffee
Is veal from Black Angus calves also called Angus young?
I hate to ask this..do you know why veal are put in cages?
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:32:22am |
re: #377 pingjockey
Bloomberg is the mayor, aren't his LE agencies doing their job? Or is he blaming the Feds for not enforcing existing laws?
New York has a huge problem with illegal guns coming from out of state, up the 95 corridor. They need federal assistance to address that...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:32:50am |
re: #374 MandyManners
They do a lot more than that. They assaulted Rove in San Francisco. They disrupted his book signing in Beverly Hills. They disrupt others at various events. They help Hamas. They insult AIPAC. Oh, I'm gonna' stop here.
Don't forget this lovely incident:
[Link: www.bloggerfaces.com...]
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:32:53am |
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:33:16am |
re: #375 prairiefire
Thank you. I'm out here in the boonies, so alternative radio consists of the local rich lady running a small FM station that has NPR and the BBC. Heh. Had to go to Seattle to the Univ. of Wash. for some of my cancer stuff. My 16 yr old like to broke the radio tuner listening to all the different music!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:33:32am |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate to ask this..do you know why veal are put in cages?
No, but do I really want to know?
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:02am |
re: #336 pingjockey
Well they do kill themselves so suicide is right, but they take other people with them, so IMO homicide is a better descriptor.
BTW, a father of a Marine killed in Iraq has been ordered to pay court costs for Fred Phelps and his merry band of Morons in a lawsuit brought by the father after those assholes protested at his sons funeral. SCOTUS has decided to hear the case after the Appeals court threw out the judgement against Phelps and his Klan.
Phelps is scum.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:10am |
re: #382 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't forget this lovely incident:
[Link: www.bloggerfaces.com...]
Yes, the attack against Rice was one of the "others". Grrr.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:22am |
Finally, some good news. Jesse james is taking the tiger woods approach to being a whore-dog..."Not my fault, I have issues"
Jesse James Goes To Rehab (For Sex Addiction?)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
LOS ANGELES � Jesse James reportedly is seeking professional help to deal with "personal issues" after a cheating scandal that has put his nearly five-year marriage to Sandra Bullock on the line.His representative told People magazine in a statement Tuesday that James "realized that this time was crucial to help himself, help his family and help save his marriage."
The representative did not specify the type of treatment facility.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:24am |
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:50am |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate to ask this..do you know why veal are put in cages?
Calves are put in cages. Veal is what they give you when they're butchered. It restricts their movement, so the meat stays tender.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:55am |
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:34:55am |
re: #381 ShaunP
Ah. Thing is the criminals and their enablers are going to get guns to matter what. Which directly impacts those of us legal gun owners.
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:35:29am |
re: #374 MandyManners
They do a lot more than that. They assaulted Rove in San Francisco. They disrupted his book signing in Beverly Hills. They disrupt others at various events. They help Hamas. They insult AIPAC. Oh, I'm gonna' stop here.
They also have a permanent camp in Nancy Pelosi's neighborhood and have for years, but no one ever mentions that.
That said, who cares? Code Pink, for all their theatrics and idiocy, have yet to affect any actual change in policy. They didn't stop Bush/Cheney from going to war in Iraq or Afghanistan. They aren't going to make a damned bit of difference in Israel. Ever. The Obama administration ignores them as well.
Let them concern troll and pull stupid stunts all they want. It's not like they're going to accomplish anything by doing it except to make themselves look dumb.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:35:34am |
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:36:13am |
re: #387 darthstar
True, very true. I don't think he got the lesson about the milk of human kindness.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:36:13am |
re: #391 darthstar
Calves are put in cages. Veal is what they give you when they're butchered. It restricts their movement, so the meat stays tender.
Not quite.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:37:01am |
re: #358 Lidane
FTFY.
Code Pink hasn't been relevant in years, if they ever were in the first place. They can pull all the media stunts they want, but they're not going to accomplish anything but irritating people.
Code Pink is the left's equivalent of a right-wing militia, only non-violent...sometimes they're annoying, but they're non-violent.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:37:32am |
re: #389 RogueOne
Finally, some good news. Jesse james is taking the tiger woods approach to being a whore-dog..."Not my fault, I have issues"
Jesse James Goes To Rehab (For Sex Addiction?)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:37:49am |
re: #400 darthstar
Code Pink is the left's equivalent of a right-wing militia, only non-violent...sometimes they're annoying, but they're non-violent.
And they dress like idiots. At least our guys wear cammo...
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:37:58am |
re: #397 RogueOne
All the women love Colonel Angus.
That's one video that gives me fits of laughter!
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:38:01am |
re: #389 RogueOne
He's married or was to Sandra Bullock. Don't know about their home life, but sheesh, running around on her? He's an ass.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:38:20am |
re: #391 darthstar
Calves are put in cages. Veal is what they give you when they're butchered. It restricts their movement, so the meat stays tender.
I prefer adult cow meat. Veal just tastes weird to me. The only way I really like it is in weiner schnitzel, and you taste more batter than meat that way. Might as well make it with chicken or pork.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:38:27am |
re: #389 RogueOne
Jesse James fucked up. Sandra Bullock, aside from being beautiful, is by all reports just as sweet a person as she appears to be in her movie roles.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:38:42am |
re: #400 darthstar
Code Pink is the left's equivalent of a right-wing militia, only non-violent...sometimes they're annoying, but they're non-violent.
When they put their hands on Rove in San Francisco, they crossed the line into violence.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:38:59am |
re: #400 darthstar
Some of them have assulted my eyes when they took of their shirts!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:39:17am |
re: #404 pingjockey
He's married or was to Sandra Bullock. Don't know about their home life, but sheesh, running around on her? He's an ass.
Yea, but this means I might still get to marry her. A man can dream, right?
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:39:45am |
re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar
And they dress like idiots. At least our guys wear cammo...
Your guys? You're not identifying with the militia are you?
/
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:39:58am |
re: #403 MandyManners
That's one video that gives me fits of laughter!
That and the delicious Schweddy Balls:
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:40:02am |
re: #393 pingjockey
Ah. Thing is the criminals and their enablers are going to get guns to matter what. Which directly impacts those of us legal gun owners.
I hear yah. Here are his recommendations, if anyone is interested...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:40:21am |
re: #410 darthstar
Your guys? You're not identifying with the militia are you?
/
ARE YOU MOCKING ME!!
/
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:40:35am |
re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea, but this means I might still get to marry her. A man can dream, right?
I just got married last August, so I'm happy to give you my place at the front of the line to marry Sandra...but stay away from the tattooed lady!
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:40:55am |
Okay...time to feed the dogs and head to work.
Bye all!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:40:57am |
re: #403 MandyManners
Miss Anabelle: Oh, Colonel Angus! You old Carpetbagger!
Colonel Angus: Anabelle! I fear my visit.. is an inconvenience.
Miss Anabelle: [ laughing ] Nonsense, Colonel Angus! We're always happy to see your shiny face!
Daddy: Colonel Angus! What brings you to these parts?
Colonel Angus: I'm headed.. down South!
Daddy: Hmm. Of course!
Miss Anabelle: Uh.. how far south are you headed, Colonel Angus?
Colonel Angus: T'ain't really sure. I prefer the Deep South.. I like the heat.. the humidity..
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:40:58am |
re: #400 darthstar
Code Pink is the left's equivalent of a right-wing militia, only non-violent...sometimes they're annoying, but they're non-violent.
I see them as the left-wing version of the folks who picket in front of abortion clinics, except without the bloody signs and religious zeal. They're irritating and far do more harm to their causes than good.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:41:34am |
re: #401 MandyManners
They've been having lots of fun with this story on Red Eye.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:41:40am |
re: #415 darthstar
I just got married last August, so I'm happy to give you my place at the front of the line to marry Sandra...but stay away from the tattooed lady!
But, but, if I get with the tattooed girl, I get to go to the clinic!!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:41:50am |
re: #412 RogueOne
That and the delicious Schweddy Balls:
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
The Delicious Dish!
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:42:20am |
re: #419 Lidane
"Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing, a tale told by an idiot" Or something like that.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:42:36am |
re: #406 darthstar
Jesse James fucked up. Sandra Bullock, aside from being beautiful, is by all reports just as sweet a person as she appears to be in her movie roles.
True, but does Jesse look like the kind of guy who likes "sweet" girls? Sweet is fun for awhile but eventually it makes my teeth hurt.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:42:47am |
re: #421 Cannadian Club Akbar
But, but, if I get with the tattooed girl, I get to go to the clinic!!
It burns when I pee. Heh.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:44:39am |
re: #423 pingjockey
"Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing, a tale told by an idiot" Or something like that.
Oh my, iambic pentameter is assaulting me!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:46:18am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:46:19am |
I love when LGF is on funny mode and not going at each other.:)
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brennant Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:46:24am |
re: #430 MandyManners
My mouth is just watering for your balls!
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:46:47am |
re: #423 pingjockey
"Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing, a tale told by an idiot" Or something like that.
Yeah, this. The only thing they do anymore is get their name in the media for being idiots. I don't know anyone who takes them seriously at all.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:47:08am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:47:16am |
re: #431 MandyManners
As annoying as Alec Baldwin can be, he really does comedy well. Especially on SNL and 30 Rock.
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:48:23am |
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:48:32am |
re: #434 Lidane
They are still really camped in front of Pelosis' house? She isn't there most of the time, I'd think. They are annoying, especially to the Marine recruiters IIRC.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:48:59am |
re: #436 Mad Al-Jaffee
As annoying as Alec Baldwin can be, he really does comedy well. Especially on SNL and 30 Rock.
True. He is funny. But a douche bag. But a funny douche bag.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:49:07am |
re: #437 brennant
I love they way your balls smell!
Oaky, with a hint of edam cheese?
(don't judge me!)
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:50:27am |
Looking at the previous thread, I'm surprised it didn't get more comments.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:51:14am |
re: #442 pingjockey
Looking at the previous thread, I'm surprised it didn't get more comments.
Has anyone checked to see if they've posted a retraction, or at least an update?
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:52:07am |
re: #443 RogueOne
Have not, and I ain't holding my breath over a retraction or update.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:53:04am |
The Schweddy Balls sketch was followed up with the Schweddy Weiners sketch.
[Link: snltranscripts.jt.org...]
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:53:47am |
The home affairs committee voted unanimously to endorse the move, which must be approved by parliament for it to become law.
Such a vote could be held within weeks, correspondents say, meaning that Belgium could become the first European country to implement a ban.
France is also considering restricting face-covering veils.
SNIP
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:54:38am |
re: #440 Cannadian Club Akbar
True. He is funny. But a douche bag. But a funny douche bag.
His brother Stephen is the real douche bag. Self righteous religious wing-nut bagger.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:56:22am |
re: #447 darthstar
His brother Stephen is the real douche bag. Self righteous religious wing-nut bagger.
Yea, but he wasn't always like that. When people become born again, I stay away for about a year or so. They want to share their new knowledge.
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:56:28am |
re: #439 pingjockey
They are still really camped in front of Pelosis' house? She isn't there most of the time, I'd think.
Last I heard, yeah. Still there, or at least they were not too long ago. They even have a website called PelosiWatch that targets her and has a whole section called Camp Pelosi where they mention any current or upcoming camps in front of her house.
They are annoying, especially to the Marine recruiters IIRC.
That's why I make the abortion protester comparison. What the hell does a Marine recruiter have to do with policy? Nothing. Targeting recruiters does nothing but piss people off and turn them against you.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:56:29am |
re: #447 darthstar
His brother Stephen is the real douche bag. Self righteous religious wing-nut bagger.
They're both douchebags.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:57:20am |
ITALY: a law from 1975 bans completely concealing oneself in public places (it is therefore prohibited to wear full veils, but also motorcycle helmets). This is was the law that was cited by several Northern League mayors to launch a series of ordinances that ban the full veil or 'burkini' (Islamic swimsuit) at a local level. The Northern League launched a bill last year that includes a two-year prison sentence and 2,000-euro fine for those who "make it difficult or impossible to be identified due to their religious affiliation".
DENMARK: In January the government decided to limit burqas or niqabs in public places, without banning them; they have allowed schools, local governments or businesses to set their own rules.
SNIP
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:57:24am |
Just went over to weasel zippers, no update/retraction.
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:58:32am |
re: #450 Mad Al-Jaffee
They're both douchebags.
True, but a self-righteous religious douchebag is more irritating than a self-important douchebag. Both of them will bore you to death with their opinion, but the religious one will also bombard you with Scripture and fake tears about the state of your soul.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 7:58:45am |
re: #449 Lidane
Got ya. Protest all you want. Just keep it civil. Except for those Phelps assholes. I'd gladly suspend the 1st Amendment for them!
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:00:09am |
Later folks, breakfast dishes need to get done.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:00:13am |
re: #450 Mad Al-Jaffee
They're both douchebags.
But one is funny.
And good morning. The honeysuckle is on the run. Routing out grape vine. The bunnies are pissed!
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:00:38am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:01:44am |
re: #450 Mad Al-Jaffee
is the proper spelling 'douche bag' or 'douchebag'?
These things are important!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:01:48am |
A bicycle bomb attack today in southern Afghanistan appeared aimed at a Western anti-opium program.
The Associated Press, citing local police, reported at least eight killed in the attack in the Nahr-e-Sarraj district just north of Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand Province. The New York Times and Reuters reported at least 13 killed and 40 wounded. The dead were farmers who had gathered to receive free seeds, fertilizer, and other supplies as part of a British program to encourage farmers to grow crops like wheat.
The New York Times reported that the bomb was hidden on a bicycle in a crowded bazaar. The paper quoted a provincial government spokesman on the perpetrators and intended target.
“The Taliban and narcotics smugglers were behind this attack,” said Daoud Ahmadi, the spokesman for the Helmand provincial governor, Gulab Mangal, who has been a strong supporter of the [anti-opium growing] program and other western-backed efforts to reduce the poppy cultivation industry that dominates Helmand’s economy.
“This was an attempt at intimidating people and stopping the process of development and peace building in the province,” Mr. Ahmadi said.
SNIP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:02:38am |
re: #457 windsagio
re: #451 MandyManners
/callback to the other day and Coulter
"This is a horrible violation of first amendment rights!!!"
A woman in Florida sued because she couldn't wear a veil for her DL pic. She lost. And, ironically, the brand of Islam she followed didn't allow women to drive.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:02:58am |
President Obama continues to defy the will of the American people, according to Boehner. And here I thought 'drill baby, drill' was a Republican-supported idea.
Then again, President Obama could give Boehner a pony and he'd still say that he was defying the will of the American people.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:03:13am |
re: #458 windsagio
is the proper spelling 'douche bag' or 'douchebag'?
These things are important!
My spell check says to separate the words.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:03:36am |
re: #458 windsagio
is the proper spelling 'douche bag' or 'douchebag'?
These things are important!
It's spelt Raymond Luxury Yach-t, but it's pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove'
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:03:51am |
re: #461 darthstar
President Obama continues to defy the will of the American people, according to Boehner. And here I thought 'drill baby, drill' was a Republican-supported idea.
Then again, President Obama could give Boehner a pony and he'd still say that he was defying the will of the American people.
I think you meant "Unicorn."
/
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:04:16am |
re: #461 darthstar
They seem to have a habit of criticizing the President for taking Republican positions.
And by 'them', I don't mean those who you'd THINK, like democrats, but rather Republicans themselves.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:04:39am |
re: #447 darthstar
His brother Stephen is the real douche bag. Self righteous religious wing-nut bagger.
There isn't any comparison between the two. One is a dork, the other a douchebag. Shall I post the phone call to his 12 year old daughter? He's an asshole and a "rude, thoughtless little pig".
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:05:19am |
re: #461 darthstar
President Obama continues to defy the will of the American people, according to Boehner. And here I thought 'drill baby, drill' was a Republican-supported idea.
That's only if a Republican does it. Otherwise, it's a socialist takeover of health care, or defying the will of the American people.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:05:23am |
re: #460 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wait? Even the USA doesn't have freedom of speech and religion?
Now I'm really confused ><
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:05:35am |
re: #467 RogueOne
There isn't any comparison between the two. One is a dork, the other a douchebag. Shall I post the phone call to his 12 year old daughter? He's an asshole and a "rude, thoughtless little pig".
Nah...I heard that audio once...that's enough for one lifetime.
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wrenchwench Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:05:55am |
re: #459 MandyManners
I hate it extra when they use bicycles.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:06:28am |
re: #469 Lidane
That's only if a Republican does it. Otherwise, it's a socialist takeover of health care, or defying the will of the American people.
Everyone knows the platforms are just staging areas for the UN invading force.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:06:42am |
re: #472 wrenchwench
Living in Portland we've had bicycle terrorists.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:06:47am |
re: #465 windsagio
They seem to have a habit of criticizing the President for taking Republican positions.
And by 'them', I don't mean those who you'd THINK, like democrats, but rather Republicans themselves.
This criticism is based on not going far enough.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:06:53am |
re: #470 windsagio
Wait? Even the USA doesn't have freedom of speech and religion?
Now I'm really confused ><
A drivers license is a privilege. Not a right.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:07:13am |
re: #474 windsagio
I hsould add, they haven't killed anyone, but it sure feels like terrorism sometimes :p
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wrenchwench Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:07:27am |
re: #474 windsagio
Living in Portland we've had bicycle terrorists.
Explosive ones? Or Critical Massers?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:07:31am |
re: #473 Jeff In Ohio
Everyone knows the platforms are just staging areas for the UN invading force.
The Blue Helmets? Please!!
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:07:58am |
re: #475 RogueOne
This criticism is based on not going far enough.
Of course. Because politics is the art of compromise giving your opponent everything they fucking want.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:08:15am |
re: #475 RogueOne
At least that's internally consistant.
I personally still think we should save the crap till past peak production when we really need it >
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:08:40am |
re: #471 darthstar
Nah...I heard that audio once...that's enough for one lifetime.
I can't stand people who talk to their kids like that, what do they think they're teaching them? Anger Mgmt Class #2 was due to my neighbor waking me up early on a Saturday screaming at his kids like they were dogs.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:08:51am |
re: #469 Lidane
That's only if a Republican does it. Otherwise, it's a socialist takeover of health care, or defying the will of the American people.
Boehner's like that Malfoy kid in the Harry Potter series. He doesn't contribute anything to the Slytherins, but runs around pissing in everybody's pot.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:08:53am |
re: #478 wrenchwench
Explosive ones? Or Critical Massers?
You caught me, the latter.
They're good at threatening people and shutting down the city tho!
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:10:00am |
re: #483 darthstar
Boehner's like that Malfoy kid in the Harry Potter series. He doesn't contribute anything to the Slytherins, but runs around pissing in everybody's pot.
He DOES get righteously punched by Hermione in one of the films, though. That was pretty cool. Heh.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:10:31am |
re: #485 windsagio
So he's a dick?
John Boehner is a fucking prick. I can't say it any nicer than that. And he's really orange, too.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:10:44am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:11:33am |
re: #483 darthstar
Boehner's like that Malfoy kid in the Harry Potter series. He doesn't contribute anything to the Slytherins, but runs around pissing in everybody's pot.
Harry Potter is evil. So says the pamphlet I have here from the Family. But, I have an evil plan. I'm so confused.
///
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:11:52am |
re: #487 darthstar
Its terribly immature of me, but I just can't resist penis jokes about the guy called "Boehner".
And yes, its lowering the level of debate :P
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wrenchwench Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:11:58am |
re: #484 windsagio
You caught me, the latter.
They're good at threatening people and shutting down the city tho!
I hate critical massers.
Post and run...later lizards!
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:12:26am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:12:45am |
re: #489 Jeff In Ohio
EVERYONE STOP STEALING MY LINES!!111!
EVERYONE STOP STEALING MY LINES!!111!
got it.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:12:50am |
re: #492 windsagio
Its terribly immature of me, but I just can't resist penis jokes about the guy called "Boehner".
And yes, its lowering the level of debate :P
Don't forget Congressman Weiner. Instead of elections we should hold a cage match "Boehner Vs. Weiner"
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:13:10am |
Random Super funny Easter comic!
ML, imo, is the best webcomic out there.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:13:30am |
re: #486 Lidane
He DOES get righteously punched by Hermione in one of the films, though. That was pretty cool. Heh.
So to follow this metaphor:
Boehner = Malfoy
Pelosi would be Hermione (she did do some serious magic with HCR)
Obama would be Harry Potter - completely misunderstood and discredited by his critics no matter how many times he saves the school
Reid would be the kid whose wand never does what it's supposed to.
Cantor would be one of Malfoy's WATB goons
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Lidane Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:13:41am |
re: #487 darthstar
And he's really orange, too.
He still hasn't figured out that there's a fine line between being tanned and looking like you rolled around in a vat of Doritos. =P
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:13:45am |
re: #496 RogueOne
It'd be an American classic. Every 13 year olds dream debate >>
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:14:09am |
'I do not rule out that the same gang was at work here,' a stern-looking Mr Putin told a government meeting in televised remarks.
He said it did not matter where the bombings took place or whether victims of those bombings were Orthodox Christians, Muslims or people of other faith groups. 'This is a crime against Russia,' Mr Putin said. 'The special services are at work,' he added.
SNIP
On Tuesday, Mr Putin said the bombing masterminds should be scraped out from the sewers, his language resembling his famous pledge in 1999 to strike at rebels even in the 'outhouse.'
SNIP
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:14:52am |
re: #499 darthstar
That's hopelessly partisan, better change it. For the children.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:15:00am |
re: #472 wrenchwench
I hate it extra when they use bicycles.
Wasn't a rickshaw used in an attack last week?
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:15:01am |
re: #496 RogueOne
Don't forget Congressman Weiner. Instead of elections we should hold a cage match "Boehner Vs. Weiner"
*snickers*
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:15:02am |
I see from the Top 10 Comments there must have been an open reg recently
Welcome All Newbies, but please play nice, and always defer to me!
/
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:15:27am |
re: #503 MandyManners
Seems likely it was the same group, its a known Chechnyan MO.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:16:09am |
re: #496 RogueOne
Don't forget Congressman Weiner. Instead of elections we should hold a cage match "Boehner Vs. Weiner"
Well, if debates are going to be settled by a sword fight, we all know who will win.
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:16:27am |
Mornin', Lizards. Anything interesting happen?
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:16:41am |
re: #509 darthstar
I heard Rahm gave him special training >>
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:16:47am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:17:00am |
re: #509 darthstar
OMG!! My rib are now officially hurting!!
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:17:25am |
ZOMG, it's a discussion of The Scarlett Letter on Diane Rehm. Pinch me. I love Hawthorne.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:17:29am |
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:17:48am |
re: #493 wrenchwench
I hate critical massers.
Post and run...later lizards!
I read something about them this morning but I had already posted enough "down with the man stories" so I let it slide:
City Reaches Settlement Over Critical Mass Arrest
[Link: www.ny1.com...]
The city agrees to pay tens of thousands of dollars to settle a lawsuit against the New York City Police Department.The suit was brought by five cyclists who say they were wrongfully arrested during a 2007 Critical Mass Ride.
The group also accused an NYPD sergeant of using excessive force during an encounter with one of the cyclists.
The settlement is worth nearly $98,000.
A similar incident was caught on tape in 2008.
A police officer was kicked off the force and is awaiting trial after he was seen on video knocking a cyclist to the ground.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:17:53am |
re: #513 Cannadian Club Akbar
OMG!! My rib are now officially hurting!!
I have to say, when I first saw that pic over a year ago, I stole a copy and bookmarked it for just such occasions. I'm thinking about putting it on a T-shirt.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:19:07am |
re: #516 RogueOne
Cops in PDX shot another guy to death last week, so yesterday we had some 'protests' in the streets.
Sad, embarrassing story all around, but I saw some funny footage of somebody trying to push a horse over with their hands.
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:19:17am |
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:19:32am |
Okay...dogs are fed and napping on the couch...turning NPR down to a reasonable volume for them, and headed to the office. See you all in a little while. Play nice.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:19:36am |
re: #515 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. Everyone is in a good mood and stealing each others lines
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:19:59am |
re: #326 darthstar
Apropos of nothing, I am glad that the Fox news attempt to get Americans as a whole to adopt "homocide bomber" in lieu of 'suicide bomber' has failed...the above example being the first time outside of that network where I've seen the phrase used. Fact is, these fuckers do kill themselves in the process...renaming them to imply that they weren't even there is simply dishonest. Well, that's my opinion, anyway.
It's cutesy and pointless. Any bomber is a 'homicide bomber'. Suicide bombing is a technique.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:20:38am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:21:04am |
re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yeah, its probably just the eye of the storm anyways >>
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:21:38am |
re: #520 darthstar
Okay...dogs are fed and napping on the couch...turning NPR down to a reasonable volume for them, and headed to the office. See you all in a little while. Play nice.
NPR is always at a reasonable volume
The building could be on fire and the co-hosts eyeballs could be shooting out of her head, and the other commentator would report what he was viewing in a hushed monotone
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:21:45am |
re: #508 windsagio
Seems likely it was the same group, its a known Chechnyan MO.
Both Moscow and Dagestan might have been in retaliation for the recent killing of Said Buryatsky, their trainer.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:22:06am |
re: #518 windsagio
Cops in PDX shot another guy to death last week, so yesterday we had some 'protests' in the streets.
Sad, embarrassing story all around, but I saw some funny footage of somebody trying to push a horse over with their hands.
My brother was in a bar in peoria IL when a brawl broke out. He wasn't involved and managed to make it outside when a cop on a horse showed up. The cop asks to see his ID and when my brother reached up to give him the ID the cop slapped cuffs on his arm, attached the other side to the horse, and walked him down the street to a LE station where they arrested him for PI. All the charges were dropped but he's still pissed about it.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:22:08am |
re: #512 MandyManners
Cool.
Have you listened to the Wolfgang's Vault of that concert? Pretty awesome.
[Link: www.wolfgangsvault.com...]
I blasted it through my studio convertors and monitors.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:22:10am |
re: #521 sattv4u2
Yes. Everyone is in a good mood and stealing each others lines
Everybody's working for the weekend.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:22:41am |
re: #524 windsagio
Yeah, its probably just the eye of the storm anyways >>
Agreed. But kinda like a family reunion before everyone gets drunk.
///
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:22:48am |
re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar
Who cares. Just roll with it!!:)
...okay.
So, how much cocaine did the crashed drug-running plane have?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:23:06am |
re: #527 RogueOne
All the charges were dropped but he's still pissed about it.
The horse was no too thrilled either!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:23:31am |
Glenn Reynolds updates his post from last night....
UPDATE: I see that Charles did eventually figure out that it was a Tennessee flag, not some sort of “neo-Nazi” emblem. But, you know, seeing neo-Nazis behind every bush deserves a bit of mockery. The Tea Party movement is not a neo-Nazi front, however much some might wish to make it so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:23:50am |
re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar
And they dress like idiots. At least our guys wear cammo...
Sadly, this is true.
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:24:10am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:24:11am |
re: #527 RogueOne
Man, the cops being evil is a subject I try to stay off of online, it tends to be controversial, and everyone's in a good mood this morning :D
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:24:24am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:25:10am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:25:37am |
re: #535 Gus 802
Morning.
OK, here it is.
President Obama announces new energy plan.
Live CNN feed.
Are the dems that were vehemently opposed to Bush wanting to drill off shore standing behind The 0ne grinning and appluading!?!?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:25:47am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:26:15am |
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:26:17am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:26:56am |
re: #544 Gus 802
You getting pop ups?
If it lasts for more than 4 hours ,,,, consult a physician (or a hooker)
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:27:02am |
re: #541 sattv4u2
There's something called Cor Beau Qarte behind him :P
I'm not thrilled about it, personally, but I have to admit, if somebody has to open drilling I'd rather it be him than Bush/Cheney :p
(Yes thats probably unfair, but thats how I feel)
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:27:17am |
re: #544 Gus 802
some flash enhancement thing, I said 'no' :p
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:27:38am |
Nipple Zippers!! (h/t Darthstar)
/
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:27:46am |
re: #547 windsagio
There's something called Cor Beau Qarte behind him :P
I'm not thrilled about it, personally, but I have to admit, if somebody has to open drilling I'd rather it be him than Bush/Cheney :p
(Yes thats probably unfair, but thats how I feel)
CDR Beau Duarte...
That's an F-18.
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:27:53am |
re: #541 sattv4u2
Are the dems that were vehemently opposed to Bush wanting to drill off shore standing behind The 0ne grinning and appluading!?!?
Hey, you won't find anyone disagreeing that Pelosi is an idiot.
As a Democrat, I will say that this a good thing. It will increase our oil production, and provide thousands of jobs.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:28:05am |
re: #547 windsagio
There's something called Cor Beau Qarte behind him :P
I'm not thrilled about it, personally, but I have to admit, if somebody has to open drilling I'd rather it be him than Bush/Cheney :p
(Yes thats probably unfair, but thats how I feel)
At least he won't be accused of being a pawn of the evil oil industry. Well, he probably won't be.
| 553 |
Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:28:08am |
re: #548 windsagio
some flash enhancement thing, I said 'no' :p
Oh yeah I always get that one. I said yes once. It still pops up.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:29:12am |
re: #551 Dante41
Hey, you won't find anyone disagreeing that Pelosi is an idiot.
As a Democrat, I will say that this a good thing. It will increase our oil production, and provide thousands of jobs.
Ooooh, careful. The cali crowd in here gets irritable when someone disses Ms. Pelosi. Her local fan club extends all the way up to portland.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:29:17am |
re: #551 Dante41
Hey, you won't find anyone disagreeing that Pelosi is an idiot.
As a Democrat, I will say that this a good thing. It will increase our oil production, and provide thousands of jobs.
Were you saying that between 2001 and 2008, as the repubs were?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:29:36am |
re: #461 darthstar
President Obama continues to defy the will of the American people, according to Boehner. And here I thought 'drill baby, drill' was a Republican-supported idea.
Then again, President Obama could give Boehner a pony and he'd still say that he was defying the will of the American people.
Speaking for the American people, I'm OK with Boehner getting a pony.
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:29:37am |
re: #541 sattv4u2
Are the dems that were vehemently opposed to Bush wanting to drill off shore standing behind The 0ne grinning and appluading!?!?
Well, it's something. More than people expected. The environmentalists won't like it. The drill everywhere people won't like it. Boehner's already trying to raise a stink.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:30:06am |
re: #556 RogueOne
I don't think anyone LIKES her, but thats different than competence.
I think everyone would agree that she's pretty much a bitch :p
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:30:17am |
re: #559 Gus 802
Well, it's something. More than people expected. The environmentalists won't like it. The drill everywhere people won't like it. Boehner's already trying to raise a stink.
Good answer
Sadly, it wasn't to the question posed!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:30:31am |
re: #558 SanFranciscoZionist
Speaking for the American people, I'm OK with Boehner getting a pony.
DAMN IT!! A UNICORN!! HE'S GETTING A UNICORN!!
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:03am |
re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar
DAMN IT!! A UNICORN!! HE'S GETTING A UNICORN!!
The narwhals will be pissed.
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:08am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:10am |
re: #484 windsagio
You caught me, the latter.
They're good at threatening people and shutting down the city tho!
I cannot stand Critical Mass.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:17am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:30am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:49am |
re: #567 windsagio
Maybe we'll see Nuclear destroyers after all >>
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:52am |
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:52am |
Cardinal Jorge Urosa said authorities are unfairly prosecuting Chavez opponents for simply criticizing the government.
Urosa said an increasing number of Chavez's foes are being "imprisoned for their opinion" and he urged Venezuelans to speak out against "any violation of human rights." Human rights groups already have expressed concerns that Chavez is becoming increasingly authoritarian and cracking down on dissent.
SNIP
Cardinal Urosa also called attention to the case of Maria Afiuni, a judge jailed on charges of corruption and abuse of power for freeing a high-profile banker. Afiuni denies breaking the law, and government critics argue her arrest in December shows the judiciary's lack of independence.In a case the cardinal did not mention, the lawmaker Azuaje has been accused of insulting a police official and striking her on the shoulder during an argument last week.
Azuaje, a former Chavez ally, called on the Organization of American States to step in after pro-Chavez lawmakers voted to strip him of his immunity from prosecution - a rare step that in the past has usually been reserved for serious crimes.
SNIP
Maybe Chavez will jail Urosa for providing "opiate to the masses".
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:31:55am |
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:32:14am |
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:32:34am |
re: #557 sattv4u2
Were you saying that between 2001 and 2008, as the repubs were?
The Pelosi thing? Yeah.
The drilling? It depends. Offshore drilling I support, since the reserves are vast and nearly untouched.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:32:46am |
re: #560 windsagio
I don't think anyone LIKES her, but thats different than competence.
I think everyone would agree that she's pretty much a bitch :p
I still have the heel prints on my back from the last time I made a snide comment about her.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:32:48am |
re: #573 sattv4u2
Have you been inflicted with them yet? Imagine thousands of douche bicyclists blocking downtown streets.
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:32:57am |
re: #567 windsagio
Is that goal remotely attainable?
50% alternate fuels for the navy and AF.
I think it is. They've tested a synthetically fueled B-52 already.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:33:10am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:33:20am |
re: #576 RogueOne
Well calling her stupid is probably where you get into trouble :p
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:33:29am |
re: #575 Dante41
The Pelosi thing? Yeah.
The drilling? It depends. Offshore drilling I support, since the reserves are vast and nearly untouched.
Depends on what
If there is a "D" or an "R" proposing it?
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:33:55am |
That SS guy behind the president is FREAKING HUGE and looks like he's ready to break some necks!
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:10am |
re: #581 sattv4u2
Yeah yeah we get it, you're trying to call people hypocrites ;)
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:14am |
re: #556 RogueOne
Ooooh, careful. The cali crowd in here gets irritable when someone disses Ms. Pelosi. Her local fan club extends all the way up to portland.
Is she a smart woman? Of course, she couldn't have made it to Speaker of the House without something in between her ears.
Is she also needlessly confrontational and divisive? Oh hells yes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:25am |
re: #578 Gus 802
I think it is. They've tested a synthetically fueled B-52 already.
I remember that. About 2-3 years ago.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:29am |
re: #577 windsagio
Have you been inflicted with them yet? Imagine thousands of douche bicyclists blocking downtown streets.
I have a good health plan. Anytime I'm inflicted with anything, I just make a call!
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:38am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:56am |
re: #578 Gus 802
I think it is. They've tested a synthetically fueled B-52 already.
Can it play Rock Lobster?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:34:59am |
re: #583 windsagio
Yeah yeah we get it, you're trying to call people hypocrites ;)
Not trying ,,, AM!
geeezz ,,, it was SO obvious!
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:35:14am |
re: #587 Dante41
Where you are drilling.
And that's actually a really good point. Thanks for bringing it up >>
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:35:16am |
re: #585 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember that. About 2-3 years ago.
I love the smell of burning peanut oil in the morning...
//
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:35:32am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:35:54am |
re: #590 sattv4u2
+ for funny :P
I suspect you might be making a mistake tho', in presuming what people said before and why they said it :D
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:36:08am |
re: #591 windsagio
And that's actually a really good point. Thanks for bringing it up >>
Eastern Gulf and along the Atlantic. But not Florida.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:37:02am |
re: #593 sattv4u2
If I heard it right, they're expanding drilling in places that have already been tapped to some degree, but leaving offshore CA and AK the same.
Seems like the right choice to me. Definintely right is not touching the strategic energy reserve. (or whatever its called)
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:37:16am |
Add another company to the waxman shit list:
Boeing to take charge for healthcare reform
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Boeing Co on Wednesday said it would take an income tax charge of about $150 million, or 20 cents per share, against first-quarter results due to recently enacted U.S. healthcare reform.Starting in 2013, Boeing will no longer be able to claim an income tax deduction related to prescription drug benefits provided to retirees and reimbursed under Medicare, the company said.
Although the change does not take effect until 2013, accounting rules require that the charge be taken in the period the legislation was enacted.
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:38:01am |
re: #593 sattv4u2
Okay ,, so where is "okay" and where is "no-no"
NIMBY!?!?
Dude, I go to school in Galveston. TMA is right next to a terminal for a OSV company. Many of the people in TMA are going to work on an OSV when they get their license, since they pay the best money.
When it comes to drilling offshore, I say "Yes, please go drilling in my backyard,".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:38:12am |
re: #596 windsagio
The strategic reserves are only for major disruption and military. You are correct.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:38:16am |
re: #597 RogueOne
Heard about that on NPR this morning.
The government was right ot remove the exemption, because it was a freaking unfair tax-cut, and was specifically a bribe to a number of very large companies.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:38:46am |
re: #599 Cannadian Club Akbar
And yet there was talk in the previous admin of trying to tap it, which I am very deeply against >>
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:39:09am |
Off to get the kids. Have a pleasant day.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:39:10am |
China will be drilling off of Key West in the near future.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:39:25am |
On that feed, the Pres is just wandering around, seems like he got lost in the Hangar >>
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:39:29am |
Short day for me, and I think this little poem will explain all...
Will somebody please
Tell the trees
To stop having sex
On my car?
Y'all have a great day.
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:39:58am |
re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar
China will be drilling off of Key West in the near future.
Unless we start drilling there first.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:40:01am |
re: #601 windsagio
And yet there was talk in the previous admin of trying to tap it, which I am very deeply against >>
IIRC, people talked about it but "W" said no.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:40:02am |
re: #598 Dante41
Dude, I go to school in Galveston. TMA is right next to a terminal for a OSV company. Many of the people in TMA are going to work on an OSV when they get their license, since they pay the best money.
When it comes to drilling offshore, I say "Yes, please go drilling in my backyard,".
1) ,, please don't call me "dude". Just rubs me wrong ,, thanks
2) I appreciate you not being a NIMBY. Hell, if they found a reserve on my property I'd start clearing brush for easier access!
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:41:05am |
More good news for Mr. Reid: "we only lost 23,000 jobs last month"
Private sector sheds 23,000 jobs in March
U.S. private employers unexpectedly shed more jobs in March, dampening hopes for job growth ahead of Friday's key employment report.Adding to the day's weaker sentiment, U.S. Midwest business activity expanded less than expected in March while a gauge of New York City business conditions fell, separate reports showed on Wednesday.
U.S. private employers cut 23,000 jobs in March, missing expectations for an increase in jobs although fewer than the adjusted 24,000 jobs lost in February, according to the data by a private employment service.
A whole 1,000 less than the previous month. At this rate we should start creating jobs in just under 2 years! Woot! Let the good times roll, or something.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:41:07am |
re: #604 windsagio
On that feed, the Pres is just wandering around, seems like he got lost in the Hangar >>
They played him out with the Marine Hymn.
/Heads explode!
| 611 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:41:28am |
re: #607 Cannadian Club Akbar
The thing I was specifically thinking of was the USGS 'Caribou map' incident. Anyways there were definitely forces in that administration pushing for opening it up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:41:48am |
re: #606 Dante41
Unless we start drilling there first.
I am sitting, right now, 4 miles from some of the best beaches you have ever seen. 125 miles out, I'm fine.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:41:50am |
K folks
Tis a beautiful day in the nieghborhood. Going to poly the front door, wash and wax the gas guzzler and take the pooches for a run
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:42:00am |
re: #600 windsagio
Heard about that on NPR this morning.
The government was right ot remove the exemption, because it was a freaking unfair tax-cut, and was specifically a bribe to a number of very large companies.
It was a "bribe" to provide their retirees with a better standard of care at a lower cost than the government could provide. Guess where those old people are going to end up now?
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:42:18am |
re: #608 sattv4u2
1) ,, please don't call me "dude". Just rubs me wrong ,, thanks
2) I appreciate you not being a NIMBY. Hell, if they found a reserve on my property I'd start clearing brush for easier access!
Sorry. Insert whichever second-person singular you wish in its stead.
And I must say, I am a Texan. I know the value of the oil industry to the local economy. The people down here still remember the crash in the 1980's.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:42:44am |
re: #609 RogueOne
I post this every time it comes up, because it bears repeating.
My family owns temp and recruiting companies.
The temp business has picked up hugely, and according to them, that always precedes a jump at the recruiting level.
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:43:35am |
re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am sitting, right now, 4 miles from some of the best beaches you have ever seen. 125 miles out, I'm fine.
They aren't drilling that close in. Most of the reserves are near the edge of the continental shelf, according to what I have heard.
| 620 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:43:54am |
re: #615 Dante41
Sorry. Insert whichever second-person singular you wish in its stead.
And I must say, I am a Texan. I know the value of the oil industry to the local economy. The people down here still remember the crash in the 1980's.
n/p,,, in that you weren;t aware. Appreciate the consideration
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:45:00am |
re: #617 windsagio
I post this every time it comes up, because it bears repeating.
My family owns temp and recruiting companies.
The temp business has picked up hugely, and according to them, that always precedes a jump at the recruiting level.
I have a job and was offered a management interview yesterday. But my evil plan might get in the way.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:46:05am |
re: #621 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hope its not classified, 'cuz now I wanna know >>
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Dante41 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:46:07am |
re: #621 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a job and was offered a management interview yesterday. But my evil plan might get in the way.
Dude. Evil Geniuses need day jobs, too. How else do they pay rent on their volcano base?
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allegro Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:46:46am |
re: #614 RogueOne
It was a "bribe" to provide their retirees with a better standard of care at a lower cost than the government could provide. Guess where those old people are going to end up now?
As I understand it, and that quote confirmed, these companies were getting a tax cut for expenses that were being covered by our taxes.
| 625 |
Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:46:50am |
For the first time in 20 years. President Obama opens up coastal areas for oil exploration.
Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.
The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.
Under the plan, the coastline from New Jersey northward would remain closed to all oil and gas activity. So would the Pacific Coast, from Mexico to the Canadian border.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:47:24am |
re: #618 windsagio
waiting for my sleeping pills to kick in >>
Jack Daniels speeds the process
(or so I've heard!!)
| 628 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:47:37am |
re: #619 Dante41
The US has oil and natural gas. Let's get it!! If we didn't have any, companies wouldn't want to invest billions into getting it.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:48:27am |
re: #626 sattv4u2
Unfortunately, I like breathing just slightly more than sleeping >>
| 630 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:48:40am |
re: #622 windsagio
I hope its not classified, 'cuz now I wanna know >>
Can't tell. The Jinx Theory is in effect. :(
| 631 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:48:53am |
re: #628 Cannadian Club Akbar
I still think its better to wait a little while, until after peak production is reached.
| 632 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:50:12am |
re: #631 windsagio
I still think its better to wait a little while, until after peak production is reached.
I have seen where it will take up to 10 years before we get any. That might be sooner because of innovation.
| 633 |
allegro Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:50:50am |
Speaking of energy production, this is about the coolest idea I've seen.
The Solar Roadway™ is a series of structurally-engineered solar panels that are driven upon. The idea is to replace all current petroleum-based asphalt roads, parking lots, and driveways with Solar Road Panels™ that collect and store solar energy to be used by our homes and businesses. This renewable energy replaces the need for the current fossil fuels used for the generation of electricity. This, in turn, cuts greenhouse gases literally in half.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:51:40am |
re: #631 windsagio
I still think its better to wait a little while, until after peak production is reached.
The probllem with the "waiting" stratergy, is that it will take 12-15 years (if they were to start TODAY) for that oil to be broiugh to market
IF we had done this 10 years ago, we would be near seeing the benefits (i.e. lower gas prices, i.e. lower consumer goods prices, i.e. more goods sold, i.e more goods needed, i.e more jobs)
| 635 |
Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:51:55am |
Green Hornet to take Flight on Earth Day
From Liz Wright, Navy Office of Information
WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy will demonstrate the 'Green Hornet,' an F/A-18 Super Hornet powered by a 50/50 biofuel blend, on Earth Day, April 22, at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., as part of its Energy Strategy.
Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus has made energy independence a top priority for the Department of the Navy (DoN), and the 'Green Hornet' flight is an important step in the certification and ultimate operational use of biofuels by the Navy and Marine Corps.
The 'Green Hornet' initiative supports Mabus' energy reform targets, which will increase warfighting capability by reducing reliance on fossil fuels from unstable locations and reducing volatility associated with long fuel supply transport lines. The secretary's energy reform targets include:
- By 2016, the Navy will sail a "Great Green Fleet" composed of nuclear ships, surface combatants with hybrid electric power systems using biofuel and aircraft flying on only biofuels.
- By 2020, at least half of the DoN's shore-based energy requirements will come from alternative sources and half of total DoN energy consumption will come from alternative sources.
"[The flight] will demonstrate that our systems can work on biofuel," Mabus said in his remarks at a recent energy forum at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab in Laurel, Md. "After it is successful, and we are absolutely confident that it will be; we will move to expand biofuel testing to our marine gas turbine engines and to the engines of our tactical vehicles."
CONTINUES
| 636 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:52:15am |
History Channel running a thing on American Nazis. I didn't know we had internment camps for Germans and Italians. During WWII. Heard all about the Japanese.
| 637 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:53:07am |
re: #634 sattv4u2
We're not remotely at the Petroleum crisis point yet tho'
My whole logic is that if we start developing when we hit peak, by the time things are getting really bad, we'll have the resources available.
It shouldn't just be about saving $$$ at the counter anyways, its way more important than that.
| 638 |
badger1970 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:53:10am |
re: #632 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have seen where it will take up to 10 years before we get any. That might be sooner because of innovation.
That over ten year old excuse gets rolled out anytime gas prices rise and off-shore drilling is proposed.
| 639 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:54:21am |
re: #638 badger1970
That over ten year old excuse gets rolled out anytime gas prices rise and off-shore drilling is proposed.
I didn't quote it as fact. And I also said it might be sooner.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:55:04am |
re: #638 badger1970
My neighbor is a geologist on the North Slope for an independent contactor. I'll ask him how long it takes to get an offshore well into production after the field is found.
| 641 |
Wozza Matter? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:56:02am |
re: #637 windsagio
innovation in engine design and lighter alloys in the production of smaller (less pointlessly large) cars will offset some of the rising gas prices.
Double your miles per gallon and your fuel bill will be the same price as before if it doubles.
| 642 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:56:35am |
re: #639 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you take into exploratory wells, then getting them into production, that is find the oil/natural gas then start the well into production, it may take 10 years. Don't know.
| 643 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:56:44am |
re: #640 pingjockey
Well, like CCA said the time may change.
The '10 years argument' is really old, even if true :p
The point of it is that the people saying it always think NOW or even 5 years ago is the proper time to start drilling, no matter what :P
| 644 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:57:37am |
re: #641 wozzablog
Part of what we have to do for that is to reform our safety rating system, right now its unrealistically harsh, and thats extremely problematic for vehicle efficiency and performance.
| 645 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:57:59am |
re: #643 windsagio
I am of the opinion we should've started this driling stuff back in the bad old days of the oil embargo. But that's just me.
| 647 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:58:31am |
re: #637 windsagio
yes ,, it is "way more important" than a few cents off at the pump
As I stated, it's jobs, it's the economy, it's less reliance on the sheiks, it's a hedge if something (Iran) were to happen in the middle east or Africa or Venezuela disrupting supplies
| 648 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:58:39am |
re: #641 wozzablog
Heh, also; to be honest, sometimes I wish it were more expensive anwyays. It'd hurt me badly because I have to drive for my job, but the social engineer in me likes the idea of discouraging using the car for everything >>
| 650 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:59:24am |
re: #641 wozzablog
innovation in engine design and lighter alloys in the production of smaller (less pointlessly large) cars will offset some of the rising gas prices.
Double your miles per gallon and your fuel bill will be the same price as before if it doubles.
Also remember, California wanted to raise taxes on how much you drive as opposed to gas mileage after losing tax revenue from cars with good mileage.
| 651 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 8:59:39am |
re: #638 badger1970
That over ten year old excuse gets rolled out anytime gas prices rise and off-shore drilling is proposed.
Then how long do you beleive it takes from start of exploration till 1st barrels are delivered??
| 653 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:00:31am |
re: #648 windsagio
Unless you live in a urban area, you have to have a car. Our bus system here in rural eastern WA takes over 2 hours to get you 20 miles. It's just that all the small towns are so spread out.
| 654 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:00:54am |
re: #649 pingjockey
There's a difference between 'unsafe at any speed' and 'freeway speed t-bone safety test' ;)
The problem essentially is that everything is a risk analysis, and we take things too far, seeking the myth of 'absolute safety'.
| 655 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:00:58am |
re: #651 sattv4u2
Then how long do you beleive it takes from start of exploration till 1st barrels are delivered??
The exploration is already done.
| 656 |
Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:01:00am |
| 658 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:01:31am |
re: #653 pingjockey
Dude! You live in E.WA? Whereabouts? :D
| 659 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:01:47am |
re: #654 windsagio
Got ya. That's why I put the smiley face on.
| 661 |
Gus Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:02:04am |
| 663 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:02:27am |
re: #659 pingjockey
Nader's a tool anyways, he's the poster boy for 'advocate who becomes more important than his goals, at least in his own mind'.
| 664 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:03:06am |
re: #662 pingjockey
Awesome! I'm from Seattle, but we have property outside of Spokane, so I used to go by there all the time. I love that stretch of the Columbia!
| 665 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:03:21am |
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:03:29am |
re: #663 windsagio
Ah. I was making a joke. I've seen a few of those egg looking cars. Scary looking.
| 668 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:04:00am |
re: #660 windsagio
I do :p
I think Syria should have replaced Russia on there... and iunno so much about the NorKs, but Iran/Israel seems depressingly accurate to me.
| 669 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:04:20am |
re: #666 pingjockey
hehe no problem, not upset at you or anything, just off on a rant ;)
| 670 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:04:52am |
re: #663 windsagio
We had issues with the eco nuts here. They want to classify hydro power as non-renewable?!
| 671 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:03am |
Ah, a short, but pleasant, workday.
Afternoon/morning/evening everybody!
| 672 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:18am |
re: #668 Joo-LiZ
Its being sold as that. Theres a huge difference between 'friendlier than we like (to Iran)/not as friendly as we like (to Israel) and 'friendly/unfriendly'.
| 673 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:25am |
re: #655 Cannadian Club Akbar
The exploration is already done.
I'd still like an answer from Badger
AND ,,, even POST exploration, how long before barrel #1 hits a refinery
| 674 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:33am |
re: #670 pingjockey
We had issues with the eco nuts here. They want to classify hydro power as non-renewable?!
ELF doesn't help, either.
| 675 |
badger1970 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:42am |
re: #651 sattv4u2
What I meant was the opponents to off-shore drilling use it as an excuse to not to propose it. If the exploration was started in the 90's, we would have seen the benefit with the gas scare from a couple years ago.
I'm all for drilling.
| 676 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:52am |
re: #670 pingjockey
Man I'm following that closely. They'll never breach the dams tho', it'd destroy the farming industry.
| 677 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:55am |
Gaah. Now History channel is showing George Lincoln Rockwell. What a nut.
| 678 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:05:58am |
re: #652 Joo-LiZ
(Political Cartoon)
Have you seen Barry Rubin today?
Meanwhile, you can read in the Washington Post a column by Robert Kagan, “Allies everywhere feeling snubbed by President Obama,” reporting how U.S. policies have dismayed allies as they coddled enemies. Readers of this blog heard this point made repeatedly over the last year ago. It is astonishing that policymakers and top opinionmakers still don't seem to grasp the danger.
SNIP
| 679 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:06:49am |
re: #675 badger1970
What I meant was the opponents to off-shore drilling use it as an excuse to not to propose it. If the exploration was started in the 90's, we would have seen the benefit with the gas scare from a couple years ago.
I'm all for drilling.
We should have started in the 70's. Along with building refineries.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:07:02am |
re: #624 allegro
As I understand it, and that quote confirmed, these companies were getting a tax cut for expenses that were being covered by our taxes.
That's what I said. They were getting tax cuts based on the amount of money spent to cover their retirees. It was part of the Plan D bill. That incentive has now been taken away so I'll repeat, where do you think those retirees are going to end up now?
| 681 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:07:13am |
re: #672 windsagio
Its being sold as that. Theres a huge difference between 'friendlier than we like (to Iran)/not as friendly as we like (to Israel) and 'friendly/unfriendly'.
Well, I look at it more as a commentary on the "outstretched arm" type talk. The US has been reaching out to try to "engage" all these nations, and gets snubbed. Meanwhile with Israel, they take a much harder line.
At the very least, relative to US positions in the past.
| 682 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:07:35am |
re: #676 windsagio
I was over in the columbia basin doing the fire extinguisher maintenance for the Columbia Basin project. Over 500,000 acres irrigated.
| 683 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:08:19am |
re: #678 MandyManners
Have you seen Barry Rubin today?
Meanwhile, you can read in the Washington Post a column by Robert Kagan, “Allies everywhere feeling snubbed by President Obama,” reporting how U.S. policies have dismayed allies as they coddled enemies. Readers of this blog heard this point made repeatedly over the last year ago. It is astonishing that policymakers and top opinionmakers still don't seem to grasp the danger.
SNIP
I saw that when it first came out... I subscribe to RubinReports so I get the updates.
I am quite a fan of his. He makes sense.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:08:24am |
re: #650 Cannadian Club Akbar
Also remember, California wanted to raise taxes on how much you drive as opposed to gas mileage after losing tax revenue from cars with good mileage.
And who knows? Once HRC is "enchanced" a few times down the road and your health is the government's responsibility, maybe they can fine you if you shirk your state-mandated daily calisthenics.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:08:39am |
re: #644 windsagio
I can't speak to your system of that unfortunately.
But the EU system will give a mid sized car a 5 star rating and it can still get 30/40 urban miles a gallon minimum.
But the number of empty SUV's driving the highways and through towns will dissapear pretty quckly.
European and japanesse style MPVs have higher miles per gallon and better safety ratings.
| 686 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:08:43am |
re: #681 Joo-LiZ
I certainly agree that relative to the past, the US is taking a harder line with Israel, and trying engagement with other regimes. That cartoon has an emotional cant that annoys me tho'.
| 687 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:08:48am |
re: #599 Cannadian Club Akbar
The strategic reserves are only for major disruption and military. You are correct.
That's not how the last president treated them. Tapping into them in August to keep gas prices low leading up to an election, for example.
| 688 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:09:39am |
re: #682 pingjockey
In a related subject, California is trying ot get us to ship the Columbia south again, because draining the Colorado dry isn't enough.
Fuck them. Seriously.
| 689 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:09:46am |
re: #686 windsagio
I certainly agree that relative to the past, the US is taking a harder line with Israel, and trying engagement with other regimes. That cartoon has an emotional cant that annoys me tho'.
Call me when we cut off all aid.
| 690 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:09:48am |
re: #668 Joo-LiZ
I think Syria should have replaced Russia on there... and iunno so much about the NorKs, but Iran/Israel seems depressingly accurate to me.
Li'l Kim has played the last few administrations like a pawnshop Gibson in a Pete Townshend impersonation contest.
| 691 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:10:07am |
re: #686 windsagio
I certainly agree that relative to the past, the US is taking a harder line with Israel, and trying engagement with other regimes. That cartoon has an emotional cant that annoys me tho'.
Well, I think that emotional edge to the cartoon is accurately reflective of the way the shift is felt by US allies.
| 692 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:10:12am |
re: #687 darthstar
That's not how the last president treated them. Tapping into them in August to keep gas prices low leading up to an election, for example.
Kinda like stimulus money this year?
/We both know both side too well.:)
| 693 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:10:43am |
In an interview with Saudi daily al-Watan published Wednesday, Qassem said Hezbollah was "assuming that Israel will attack Lebanon one of these days".
"Israel's language is militant, and if it does not enter into warfare it is only because it can't do so or its evaluation is negative. That's why we at Hezbollah are taking steps to prepare for a war to break out at any moment," he said.
"This preparation means additional arms – in addition to the Lebanese army and the UNIFIL forces."
Is he saying that UNIFIL will fight alongside Hizballah?
| 694 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:10:52am |
re: #684 The Sanity Inspector
Like the Norks!!!
| 695 |
Wozza Matter? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:10:55am |
re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or in the 70's building lighter more efficient engines and materials for car production.
Adding a turbo will give a car all the performance it needs from a small engine, but get higher mpg than a big block chevy.
| 696 |
allegro Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:11:14am |
re: #680 RogueOne
That's what I said. They were getting tax cuts based on the amount of money spent to cover their retirees. It was part of the Plan D bill. That incentive has now been taken away so I'll repeat, where do you think those retirees are going to end up now?
THEY (the companies) weren't spending the money ultimately. Those costs were being reimbursed by Medicare. So Medicare pays for the drugs and the companies were deducting those expenses as company expenses, even though they were already being reimbursed for them through tax dollars.
| 697 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:12:00am |
re: #674 Cannadian Club Akbar
Nope. All of my friends, parents friends etc... Are conservationists, you can't be a farmer, logger, outdoorsman and not be. Selective harvesting of lumber, water conservation, Dept of Fish and Game. The clear cuts they howl about are on privatly owned land of the big timber companies on the west side of the Cascades. In Chelan and Okanogan county there is now one sawmill that works in fits and starts. We have to start logging again or the chance for catastrphic fires like 1994 goes up terribly.
| 698 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:12:04am |
re: #686 windsagio
I certainly agree that relative to the past, the US is taking a harder line with Israel, and trying engagement with other regimes. That cartoon has an emotional cant that annoys me tho'.
re: #691 Joo-LiZ
That is also in many ways the point of political cartoons. To be provocative on such things.
But, we all have a right to disagree/not like it.
| 699 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:12:10am |
re: #683 Joo-LiZ
There's some missing piece in that story, (and I can't find a good link for it, unfortunately).
There's an idealogical link I don't understand with Iran aiding Al Qaeda, which considers the state religion of Iran an abomination :P
| 700 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:12:10am |
re: #689 Varek Raith
Call me when we cut off all aid.
That'll never happen. Congress would have to vote to cut off aid to Israel, and right now, that 3.2 billion dollar annual guarantee is as safe as ever. Passing Health Care Reform was a walk in the park next to attempting to reduce the military gifts we give to Israel.
| 701 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:12:27am |
re: #695 wozzablog
Or in the 70's building lighter more efficient engines and materials for car production.
Adding a turbo will give a car all the performance it needs from a small engine, but get higher mpg than a big block chevy.
I had 2 Chevy 327's in my lifetime. Now, people just need a chip for more HP. :(
| 702 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:12:41am |
re: #700 darthstar
That'll never happen. Congress would have to vote to cut off aid to Israel, and right now, that 3.2 billion dollar annual guarantee is as safe as ever. Passing Health Care Reform was a walk in the park next to attempting to reduce the military gifts we give to Israel.
Bingo!
| 703 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:13:00am |
re: #688 windsagio
They've been trying to do that since I was a kid in the 60s!
| 704 |
RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:13:03am |
re: #681 Joo-LiZ
Well, I look at it more as a commentary on the "outstretched arm" type talk. The US has been reaching out to try to "engage" all these nations, and gets snubbed. Meanwhile with Israel, they take a much harder line.
At the very least, relative to US positions in the past.
The only problem with that cartoon was they should have added Honduaras and Columbia standing next to israel on the last pic.
| 705 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:13:38am |
re: #700 darthstar
Its an ugly subject :p
Note that we're still giving them that aid, and all the rhetoric is about how we're being mean to Israel ;)
| 706 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:14:27am |
re: #704 RogueOne
The only problem with that cartoon was they should have added Honduaras and Columbia standing next to israel on the last pic.
and they could have added Britain, and the Czech Republic/Poland in that list as well.
| 707 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:14:31am |
re: #705 windsagio
Its an ugly subject :p
Note that we're still giving them that aid, and all the rhetoric is about how we're being mean to Israel ;)
It's a shell game. Nothing's really changed, we're just barking a bit louder.
| 708 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:14:47am |
re: #703 pingjockey
The dams are here to stay, what probably won't last are the commercial and sport River Fisheries.
... Now if the tribes would only be reasonable about their fishing rights (well not about their rights, but about conservation).
| 709 |
ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:15:03am |
re: #695 wozzablog
Or in the 70's building lighter more efficient engines and materials for car production.
Adding a turbo will give a car all the performance it needs from a small engine, but get higher mpg than a big block chevy.
Car makers found out looooong ago that Americans do not buy the same type of vehicles that pretty much any other country will. Blame the US consumer for hulking vehicles and no diesel options. They vote with their dollar...
| 710 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:15:17am |
re: #707 Varek Raith
I think people are afraid something MIGHT change, and are trying ot take pre-emptive steps.
| 711 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:15:27am |
If we didn't give aid ti Israel there WOULD BE a second holocaust.
| 712 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:16:02am |
re: #711 Cannadian Club Akbar
If we didn't give aid ti Israel there WOULD BE a second holocaust.
I have no qualms giving aid to our allies.
:)
| 713 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:16:12am |
Plitical cartoons are supposed to deliver impact, not context. For context, read the op-ed columnist.
| 714 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:16:13am |
re: #711 Cannadian Club Akbar
to, not ti, PIMF.
| 715 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:16:15am |
re: #683 Joo-LiZ
I saw that when it first came out... I subscribe to RubinReports so I get the updates.
I am quite a fan of his. He makes sense.
Will CAP recommend that we "engage" Hizballah as if it's a legitimate government?
“As you've noted, some like John Brennan [advisor to the president on terrorism] is already thinking about a more flexible policy towards Hizballah and it would be extremely useful to get your views on this to ensure anything decided is done properly.”
I read this letter—and that impression is confirmed by those knowledgeable about this project and those involved—as saying that the Center for American Progress is going to issue a report calling for U.S. engagement with Hizballah, and that it has been encouraged to do so by important officials in the Obama Administration.
The phrase “to ensure anything decided is done properly,” I take as a give-away to the fact that they are going to push for direct dealing with Hizballah but want to be able to say that they had listened to alternative views.
They merely, I am told by those who know about this project, intend to talk to some who disagree for appearances’ sake and throw in a sentence or two to give the report the slightest tinge of balance.
SNIP
| 716 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:16:29am |
re: #711 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thats a lil' hyperbolic, innit?
(PS: This kind of language is why I said it was an ugly subject)
| 717 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:17:03am |
re: #708 windsagio
That is a very sore subject over here.
| 718 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:17:14am |
re: #691 Joo-LiZ
Well, I think that emotional edge to the cartoon is accurately reflective of the way the shift is felt by US allies.
And by many Americans.
| 719 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:18:18am |
re: #717 pingjockey
Believe me, we talked about it all the time on the other side of the mountains too.
I still remember very well how mad my parents were over the Boldt Decision... in the 80s.
| 720 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:18:35am |
Alright, I'm confused. I thought we didn't care what the rest of the world thought???
;)
| 721 |
RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:18:37am |
re: #696 allegro
THEY (the companies) weren't spending the money ultimately. Those costs were being reimbursed by Medicare. So Medicare pays for the drugs and the companies were deducting those expenses as company expenses, even though they were already being reimbursed for them through tax dollars.
No, the costs were being reimbursed by tax credits, not the same thing as being reimbursed by medicare. The companies were providing a higher level of care at a cheaper cost than the government can provide. It was a good deal for everyone, considering. Now Medicare is going to incur the total cost of those retirees, raising our medicare costs and decreasing the level of care for the retirees.
| 722 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:18:38am |
Sheesh, go to get coffee and I'm 10 posts behind!
| 723 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:18:45am |
re: #716 windsagio
Agreed. I'll drop it. Now back to everyone being funny, like earlier!! Woo Hoo!!
| 725 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:19:14am |
re: #723 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh fine :P I thought of a good comeback too, but I"ll save it :)
| 726 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:19:20am |
re: #689 Varek Raith
Call me when we cut off all aid.
Aid is not the only way, nor is it the only important that the US supports Israel.
The relationship is quite mutually beneficial from an economic/military perspective.
The US seems to be significantly toning down its political support, which has its own very real sets of consequences.
They have threatened not to use a veto in a UN Resolution condemning Israel. They are putting immense public pressure on Israel to give more unilateral concessions, and as a result are implying blame on Israel for the stalled Peace Process.
I am still waiting to hear specific condemnations/demands upon the Palestinians. There have been vague mentions of Palestinian obligations, but will otherwise only remember the Palestinians are a party to the talks when challenged on it.
| 727 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:19:51am |
re: #720 Varek Raith
Alright, I'm confused. I thought we didn't care what the rest of the world thought???
;)
No!! The rest of the world doesn't care what YOU think.
//10
| 728 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:20:25am |
re: #726 Joo-LiZ
I have a question for you:
Do you think we should treat Israel better than we treat our other allies?
(I'm not saying we treat them better or worse now, just trying to get a positional feel)
| 729 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:20:49am |
re: #727 Cannadian Club Akbar
No!! The rest of the world doesn't care what YOU think.
//10
They will when my superlaser goes online!
MUHAHAHAHA*cough*HAHA*wheeze*Ha!
| 730 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:20:55am |
"There is a high level of possibility that Kim Jong-Il will pay a visit to China. We are closely monitoring the situation," presidential spokeswoman Kim Eun-Hye told a briefing, declining to elaborate.
Yonhap news agency quoted diplomatic sources as saying Kim might leave as early as tomorrow or Friday.
It quoted a senior Seoul official as saying there are "indications" of an impending visit. The official cited unusual activity near the Chinese border city of Dandong and in Beijing but gave no details.
SNIP
| 732 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:21:19am |
re: #716 windsagio
Thats a lil' hyperbolic, innit?
(PS: This kind of language is why I said it was an ugly subject)
Only if the Fatah and Hamas charters are also only hyperbolic.
| 733 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:21:24am |
re: #719 windsagio
It' supposed to be for the nations to eat the fish, not sell them for a buck a fish or leave them laying on the bank to rot. By all means keep the treaties but some common sense has got to come in here somewhere.
| 734 |
albusteve Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:21:34am |
A federal judge last Friday upheld the District of Columbia's handgun regulations, finding them within Constitutional bounds and declaring public safety to be a compelling governmental interest. From the Washington Post:
U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina found that the new regulations were crafted to make the streets safer and aren't so restrictive that they violate the Second Amendment guarantee of a person's right to own a gun for self-defense.
fire this guy immediately
[Link: weeklystandard.com...]
| 736 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:22:25am |
re: #729 Varek Raith
They will when my superlaser goes online!
MUHAHAHAHA*cough*HAHA*wheeze*Ha!
Dude, wasn't that yesterday? Just askin'>
/
| 737 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:22:31am |
re: #729 Varek Raith
I want to make a movie out of a loop of the first three seconds.
"So I threw the senate at him!"
| 738 |
Wozza Matter? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:22:33am |
re: #709 ShaunP
By 1990 the Japanese had 33% of the US car market - there was a market for more frugal (and until recently, reliable) cars.
Efforts from US firms at compacts and mid sized were pretty half hearted and didn't match up to the quality of imports.
It is a completely different mid set in some areas of america from pretty much anywhere else in the world - but when i was in colorado i saw a lot of practical 4wd drive cars like subarus outback coping much better in the slush than some of the lumbering suvs. Subaru seem to be winning up there, and the latest outback gets about 60mpg on EU/Japanese diesel type fuel.
| 739 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:22:46am |
re: #728 windsagio
I have a question for you:
Do you think we should treat Israel better than we treat our other allies?
(I'm not saying we treat them better or worse now, just trying to get a positional feel)
I don't think any two allies in exactly the same geo-political condition. We should generally be more supportive of all our allies, and sensitive to their needs.
Not all alliances are equally fruitful either. The closest allies the US has, however, IMO, are Britain and the US.
| 740 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:22:50am |
re: #734 albusteve
A federal judge last Friday upheld the District of Columbia's handgun regulations, finding them within Constitutional bounds and declaring public safety to be a compelling governmental interest. From the Washington Post:
U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina found that the new regulations were crafted to make the streets safer and aren't so restrictive that they violate the Second Amendment guarantee of a person's right to own a gun for self-defense.fire this guy immediately
[Link: weeklystandard.com...]
Isn't a federal bench life-time employment?
| 741 |
allegro Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:23:09am |
re: #721 RogueOne
No, the costs were being reimbursed by tax credits, not the same thing as being reimbursed by medicare.
In the quote you posted:
Starting in 2013, Boeing will no longer be able to claim an income tax deduction related to prescription drug benefits provided to retirees and reimbursed under Medicare, the company said.
| 743 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:23:28am |
re: #735 pingjockey
lol not much room for discussion when we totally agree :D
| 744 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:23:58am |
re: #740 MandyManners
Isn't a federal bench life-time employment?
yeah, intentionally... So judges can feel safe to make unpopular decisions ;)
| 745 |
albusteve Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:24:18am |
re: #740 MandyManners
Isn't a federal bench life-time employment?
yes, I believe so...clearly he is defying the Heller decision so BO should fire him
| 746 |
Wozza Matter? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:24:31am |
anyways, later days people.
theatre tonight.
| 747 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:24:37am |
re: #737 windsagio
Classic.
"Do you have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!?!"
"Death Star blown up by a bunch of fucking teenagers"
| 748 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:25:00am |
re: #739 Joo-LiZ
Not all alliances are equally fruitful either. The closest allies the US has, however, IMO, are Britain and the US.
Depending on which US you replace with Israel that could have 2 far divergent meanings :D
| 749 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:25:45am |
re: #743 windsagio
Heh. Well, that's what is interesting
about this place. Folks will vociferously disagree on some things then all of a sudden, boom! Common ground. Amazing. Not really. There's some damn smart folks here.
| 750 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:25:46am |
re: #747 Varek Raith
The Star wars episodes of that were very hit/miss, but a few of the sketches were to brilliant for words.
My other favorite is the "This deal is getting worse all the time!"
| 751 |
RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:25:50am |
re: #741 allegro
Somebody misspoke. It was part of the medicare plan D bill but the tax credits do not come from medicare.
| 752 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:26:04am |
re: #699 windsagio
There's some missing piece in that story, (and I can't find a good link for it, unfortunately).
There's an idealogical link I don't understand with Iran aiding Al Qaeda, which considers the state religion of Iran an abomination :P
I think that is pragmatic, and not at all ideological. Petraeus in his recent congressional testimony specifically discussed the roles of Syria and Iran in acting as a logistical hub to facilitate Al-Qaeda and other insurgent movement.
To me, it would appear a clear-cut case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
Not that they have to like each other.
| 753 |
The Left Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:26:23am |
Tea party leaders say they would ‘absolutely’ abolish Social Security.
Last night on CNN, Larry King discussed the rise of the tea parties with a variety of guests and featured footage from last weekend’s lobbyist-organized Tea Party Express rally in Searchlight, NV. Dana Loesch, a tea party organizer from Missouri, and another tea party organizer, Wayne Allyn Root, joined King for the discussion. Root and Loesch decried the “unprecedented” and “unconstitutional” reach of a health care mandate. However, King noted that programs like Social Security are mandatory and asked if the tea parties would like to “do away with” that program as well. Both tea party organizers enthusiastically said “yes, absolutely” and added that a compromise would be at least privatizing the system
lol.
| 754 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:26:23am |
re: #728 windsagio
I have a question for you:
Do you think we should treat Israel better than we treat our other allies?
(I'm not saying we treat them better or worse now, just trying to get a positional feel)
So long as we don't require our other allies to put up with random rocket attacks, we're not treating them worse than Israel.
| 755 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:26:24am |
re: #749 pingjockey
Heh. Well, that's what is interesting
about this place. Folks will vociferously disagree on some things then all of a sudden, boom! Common ground. Amazing. Not really. There's some damn smart folks here.
We ROCK!!
| 756 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:26:35am |
re: #749 pingjockey
The real key to the blog imo, is being able to shift gears like that.
If you carry your hate over you're not only asking for trouble, you're making the thread a miserable place for everyone else.
| 757 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:26:46am |
re: #750 windsagio
The Star wars episodes of that were very hit/miss, but a few of the sketches were to brilliant for words.
My other favorite is the "This deal is getting worse all the time!"
I love the "Luke, I'm your father" one and the real story behind the guy who gets his arm cut off in the cantina.
| 758 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:27:04am |
re: #748 windsagio
Depending on which US you replace with Israel that could have 2 far divergent meanings :D
Hahaha, oops.... Britain and Israel**
re: #739 Joo-LiZ
I don't think any two allies in exactly the same geo-political condition. We should generally be more supportive of all our allies, and sensitive to their needs.
Not all alliances are equally fruitful either. The closest allies the US has, however, IMO, are Britain and
Israel.
PIMF
| 759 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:27:15am |
re: #681 Joo-LiZ
Well, I look at it more as a commentary on the "outstretched arm" type talk. The US has been reaching out to try to "engage" all these nations, and gets snubbed. Meanwhile with Israel, they take a much harder line.
At the very least, relative to US positions in the past.
I guess that Obama hopes if he bitch-slaps Israel enough then maybe the Islamofascist regimes will stop telling him to fuck off whenever he reaches out to them.
| 760 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:27:33am |
re: #711 Cannadian Club Akbar
If we didn't give aid ti Israel there WOULD BE a second holocaust.
Just to keep things factual here, I don't believe Hitler invaded Israel in WW2. It minimizes the holocaust to throw it out there like red meat as an argument. Israel could survive fine without US aid. They'd just have to be a bit more diplomatic in their negotiations. Who knows...it might even be the fastest way for them to find peace with their neighbors.
But I also don't believe that the US has ever had a vested interest in Israel and Palestine working their shit out completely. It's good to have a boilerplate that we have to protect/criticize/aid/strongarm/defend/etc.
| 761 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:27:58am |
re: #750 windsagio
The Star wars episodes of that were very hit/miss, but a few of the sketches were to brilliant for words.
My other favorite is the "This deal is getting worse all the time!"
This is my fav.
| 762 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:28:02am |
| 763 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:28:09am |
re: #754 The Sanity Inspector
Wasn't the question :P
re: #752 Joo-LiZ
That makes a certain sense to me, but we also can't have it both ways.
Are they religious/idealogical nutbags that don't care about anything, or pragmatists using religion for power? (Realistically its somewhere in between, but the presentation on LGF often skews waaay too far to the former)
| 764 |
RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:28:18am |
re: #753 iceweasel
Tea party leaders say they would ‘absolutely’ abolish Social Security.
lol.
Wayne Allen Root was the libertarian candidate for VP wasn't he?
| 767 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:29:12am |
re: #756 windsagio
Bingo. I really get a kick with some of the trolls/lurkers about this being an "echo chamber". IMO Freepers is the definition of an echo chamber.
We have tons of dissent here, but advocating violence, etc..is RIGHT OUT!
| 768 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:29:27am |
re: #758 Joo-LiZ
I'd say Britian and Japan.
We have an inherent conflict with Israel, in that to some degree our needs for the region and theirs don't match.
They're still our strongest allies in the region tho', just not on the level of places like the UK, Japan, S.Kor, France, etc.
*just my opinion of course.
| 769 |
truth stick Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:30:03am |
| 770 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:30:06am |
good morning all
| 771 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:30:33am |
re: #760 darthstar
Its funny how people think:
"Israel kicks ass and has the best military in the world!!!" but also "If we don't give them a ton of money all the time, ALL THE JEWS WILL BE SLAUGHTERED!!!"
| 772 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:30:40am |
The suit, filed in 1994 by a Drug Enforcement Administration agent, has dragged on amid disputes about the state secrets privilege. The plaintiff, Richard Horn, alleged then-CIA officer Arthur Brown and Franklin Huddle Jr. of the State Department unlawfully eavesdropped on telephone communication while Horn was stationed in Burma in the 1990s. The suit remained under seal until last year.
In dismissing the case with prejudice, Chief Judge Royce Lamberth of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on Tuesday ordered the Justice Department to notify him whether it will refer allegations of government misconduct to the Office of the Inspector General and to appropriate oversight committees in Congress.
If the government makes the referrals, Lamberth said, his role in overseeing sanctions proceedings will end. The judge said there is "disturbing" evidence in a sealed motion that "demonstrates the benefit" of notifying the oversight committees of Congress.
"Here, the allegations of wrongdoing by the government attorneys in this case are not only credible, they are admitted," Lamberth wrote in his a six-page opinion. Lamberth also said: "[T]his Court is called upon to approve a $3,000,000 payment to an individual plaintiff by the United States, and again it does not appear that any government officials have been held accountable for this loss to the taxpayer. This is troubling to the Court."
SNIP
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:30:55am |
re: #763 windsagio
Wasn't the question :P
re: #752 Joo-LiZ
That makes a certain sense to me, but we also can't have it both ways.
Are they religious/idealogical nutbags that don't care about anything, or pragmatists using religion for power? (Realistically its somewhere in between, but the presentation on LGF often skews waaay too far to the former)
Well, it's a mixed bag. The political leaders are nutbags. The IRGC is more pragmatist.
The extent to which one is subservient to the other is the big question mark in the occasion, and the big risk.
For the record... Barry Rubin has said in the past his estimate for Iran being actually crazy enough to use a Nuke is somewhere around 10% -- but he argues that is 10% too high for Israelis to live with.
He also frequently points out that the consequences of a Nuclear Iran range far wider than simply the possibility of the actual use of such weapons.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:30:56am |
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:31:13am |
re: #769 truth stick
random thing: My friend grew up in Yakima, there were 3 crackhouses on his block >>
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gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:31:18am |
re: #760 darthstar
Israel could survive fine without US aid. They'd just have to be a bit more diplomatic in their negotiations. Who knows...it might even be the fastest way for them to find peace with their neighbors.
What the fuck...? The US should abandon Israel so they are forced to surrender to the Islamic Nazi-rackets around them?
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:31:50am |
re: #770 Dreggas
hallo! You came in just as things are getting feisty!
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:32:05am |
re: #760 darthstar
Just to keep things factual here, I don't believe Hitler invaded Israel in WW2. It minimizes the holocaust to throw it out there like red meat as an argument. Israel could survive fine without US aid. They'd just have to be a bit more diplomatic in their negotiations. Who knows...it might even be the fastest way for them to find peace with their neighbors.
But I also don't believe that the US has ever had a vested interest in Israel and Palestine working their shit out completely. It's good to have a boilerplate that we have to protect/criticize/aid/strongarm/defend/etc.
Ever heard of Haj Amin al-Husayni?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:32:16am |
re: #771 windsagio
Its funny how people think:
"Israel kicks ass and has the best military in the world!!!" but also "If we don't give them a ton of money all the time, ALL THE JEWS WILL BE SLAUGHTERED!!!"
Were do they get the equipment from? Or the money?
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The Left Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:32:25am |
re: #764 RogueOne
Wayne Allen Root was the libertarian candidate for VP wasn't he?
Beats me. The name is kinda familiar.
Frum was on King last night too:
Last night on CNN, Larry King discussed the growth of the Tea Parties and their effect on the Republican Party. While Nancy Pfotenhauer, a Republican strategist who has worked in the past for David Koch, the oil billionaire funding the top groups organizing the Tea Parties, praised the development as “phenomenal,” other Republicans were doubtful. David Frum, a speech writer in the Bush White House, and Scott McClellan, the former press secretary to Bush, decried the Tea Parties for their extreme views, like seeking to abolish Social Security. McClellan explained that the Tea Parties have “limited appeal” because they are simply a “divisive protest movement” that “plays too much to people’s fears and hatred
[...]
As ThinkProgress has documented, rather than lead the Tea Parties into a responsible direction, GOP lawmakers have sought to inflame the movement with violent rhetoric, outlandish conspiracy theories, and hate towards Democrats. The Tea Parties are providing loyal protesters and campaign volunteers to Republican campaigns though, so it is unclear if the Republican Party is even capable of separating from them.
Vid at link.
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:32:50am |
re: #768 windsagio
We have an inherent conflict with Israel, in that to some degree our needs for the region and theirs don't match.
I think the disagreement is much less about the "needs for the region" and much more about:
a) reading the intentions of the various players
b) the methods used to try to make those needs a reality
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:33:24am |
re: #771 windsagio
Its funny how people think:
"Israel kicks ass and has the best military in the world!!!" but also "If we don't give them a ton of money all the time, ALL THE JEWS WILL BE SLAUGHTERED!!!"
And it really does minimize the holocaust to throw it out there like that. Saying something along the lines of, "Without US aid, Israel would be vulnerable to attack from all sides"(still not true...they've got the most powerful military in the region) would be at least less easily dismissed as over the top rhetoric.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:33:41am |
re: #782 iceweasel
Hi, Ice!! (waves) Been a bit since I seen ya!
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:34:21am |
re: #781 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'd like to think that they're a strong enough country that they could stand on their own. It would be ugly to say that Israel is a US client state.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:34:50am |
I have lost my mind! I let the 10 yr old have a 1/2 cup of coffee.
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windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:34:54am |
re: #784 darthstar
Yeah it really does. People are too emotionally vested in the subject I think :p
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:35:02am |
re: #784 darthstar
And it really does minimize the holocaust to throw it out there like that. Saying something along the lines of, "Without US aid, Israel would be vulnerable to attack from all sides"(still not true...they've got the most powerful military in the region) would be at least less easily dismissed as over the top rhetoric.
Yes. And in a related story Dinnerjacket didn't warn of wiping Israel off the map and Iran isn't trying to get a nuke.
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:35:04am |
re: #779 MandyManners
Ever heard of Haj Amin al-Husayni?
Okay. He sided with Hitler, or at least asked for his support. Did Germany invade Israel?
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Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:35:40am |
re: #760 darthstar
A lot of Israelis on the hard right want to cease US aid for exactly this reason; they feel that they can better deal with the situation without the US's involvement.
But I also don't believe that the US has ever had a vested interest in Israel and Palestine working their shit out completely. It's good to have a boilerplate that we have to protect/criticize/aid/strongarm/defend/etc.
It's not Israel and Palestine. It's Israel and the Muslim world in the Middle East. I don't think the US is cynically perpetuating the particular situation with the Palestinians since, even if the Palestinians had a homeland or were allowed full citizenship in Jordan and Egypt, Israel would still be surrounded by nations who do not recognize Israel's right to exist and terrorist attacks on Israel would continue.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:35:50am |
re: #771 windsagio
Its funny how people think:
"Israel kicks ass and has the best military in the world!!!" but also "If we don't give them a ton of money all the time, ALL THE JEWS WILL BE SLAUGHTERED!!!"
don't confuse aid = favorable loan terms and arms sales with aid = grants.
it all gets lumped into the term "aid".
selling them missiles that we won't sell to, say, Jordan...seems like pretty smart aid to me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:35:51am |
re: #789 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. And in a related story Dinnerjacket didn't warn of wiping Israel off the map and Iran isn't trying to get a nuke.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:36:16am |
re: #791 windsagio
Heh. We're going up to mom and dads(granma and grampa) in Entiat. I'll turn him loose on them!
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:36:35am |
“This (the 1967 Six Day War) is the first war in history which has ended with the victors suing for peace and the vanquished calling for unconditional surrender.”
— Abba Eban
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:36:39am |
re: #771 windsagio
Its funny how people think:
"Israel kicks ass and has the best military in the world!!!" but also "If we don't give them a ton of money all the time, ALL THE JEWS WILL BE SLAUGHTERED!!!"
Yes... I was reading the Six Day War by Michael Oren, and he points out that this almost Bipolar mentality goes back to the creation of Israel.
It's a real thing. At times you look at the situation and you can't believe Israel can pull through. Then you think about the fact Israel has somehow managed for the past 62 years, and you can't allow yourself to despair, so you flip to the other extreme.
Israel has a vested interest in convincing its enemies they are invincible, but they also have to be realistic about themselves. When you look at how the wars gone by play out, the myth of invincibility appears to be more and more thanks to sheer dumb luck and the cacophony of their enemies. Which means those Israelis who study their history know how scary it is when their enemies appear to be united.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:36:40am |
re: #787 pingjockey
I have lost my mind! I let the 10 yr old have a 1/2 cup of coffee.
yowza. why don't you go roll around in a wasp nest while you're at it/
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The Left Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:36:41am |
re: #785 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hi, Ice!! (waves) Been a bit since I seen ya!
hey, CCA! How goes it? Hope all is well with you-- I'm not up to speed on your job hunt, etc. Wishing you luck!
Jimmah arrived here last week; we're hanging in NYC til my spousal visa comes through. Needless to say (but we'll say it) I've kinda been too busy to post...
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:36:41am |
re: #788 windsagio
Yeah it really does. People are too emotionally vested in the subject I think :p
And that's why it's damn near impossible to have a rational discussion of Middle Eastern Politics. Still, I like the people here too much not to at least try to have the discussion...though I have learned not to touch certain talking points.
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:37:03am |
re: #738 wozzablog
By 1990 the Japanese had 33% of the US car market - there was a market for more frugal (and until recently, reliable) cars.
Efforts from US firms at compacts and mid sized were pretty half hearted and didn't match up to the quality of imports.
It is a completely different mid set in some areas of america from pretty much anywhere else in the world - but when i was in colorado i saw a lot of practical 4wd drive cars like subarus outback coping much better in the slush than some of the lumbering suvs. Subaru seem to be winning up there, and the latest outback gets about 60mpg on EU/Japanese diesel type fuel.
Of course they were half hearted, even when smaller cars were gaining footing, the bulk of vehicles sold were still mid-size sedans. Look at the Japanese car makers now; as they get bigger and look for more marketshare, their cars NEED to get bigger!
I'm not disagreeing that domestics had quality issues that they are just now addressing, but they had issues with all of their models. Now that Honda and Toyota are moving into the top spots they are feeling the push to upsize their cars.
BTW, I
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:37:31am |
re: #796 windsagio
Afaik, there are also grants.
there are. they do not, IIRC, greatly outweigh the grants that we give to other countries.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:38:10am |
re: #800 iceweasel
hey, CCA! How goes it? Hope all is well with you-- I'm not up to speed on your job hunt, etc. Wishing you luck!
Jimmah arrived here last week; we're hanging in NYC til my spousal visa comes through. Needless to say (but we'll say it) I've kinda been too busy to post...
[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]
sinner
//
(hope you guys are having fun)
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ShaunP Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:38:29am |
re: #802 ShaunP
Of course they were half hearted, even when smaller cars were gaining footing, the bulk of vehicles sold were still mid-size sedans. Look at the Japanese car makers now; as they get bigger and look for more marketshare, their cars NEED to get bigger!
I'm not disagreeing that domestics had quality issues that they are just now addressing, but they had issues with all of their models. Now that Honda and Toyota are moving into the top spots they are feeling the push to upsize their cars.
BTW, I
Not sure where the end of my post went, but that should have been:
I love Subaru. I'll be getting a WRX in the next couple of months... :D
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gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:38:47am |
re: #784 darthstar
Even though Israel has without doubts the strongest military in the region, one has to consider that it's a very small land with just about seven million people (of whom a big part is not too loyal or even hostile ), with no oil, gas or other resources. On the other hand, the Arabic world has the biggest oil-reserves in the world and mmore than 200 million people. You can guess how this will end, if Israel has not a superior army anytime.
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pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:38:48am |
re: #799 Aceofwhat?
Heh. Or go pour water down a badger hole. That by the way is a sure way to get found if you're lost. According to Pat MacManus. Because someone is sure to show up and ask you what the hell you're doing.
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RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:39:04am |
re: #782 iceweasel
Vid at link.
Root was the VP candidate and I think he's trying to position himself as the Presidential candidate. There was a reason I didn't like him but I'm going to have to look it up why.
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gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:40:06am |
re: #790 darthstar
Actually, they tried. Together with Rommel's Afrikakorps, several SS-Units in North-Africa prepared for an invasion of the holy land. Jews in Palestine were fighting in the British Army against Nazis there.
| 814 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:40:11am |
re: #803 Aceofwhat?
This is old territory, but it grates me that we give them this huge amount of aid in grants/loans/sales, and yet the Pres still gets crap for not doing enough.
We do more for them in aggregate than any other country I can think of*, hands down. All that help SHOULD come with some influence, really.
(*except maybe us putting all those troops in South Korea)
| 815 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:40:12am |
re: #790 darthstar
Okay. He sided with Hitler, or at least asked for his support. Did Germany invade Israel?
Israel did not exist when Hitler was alive.
The Haj had a deal with Hitler to help him take control of the Mandate and, in exchange, Hitler would grant the Haj a significant leadership position.
Also, the Haj helped Hilter creat Muslim-only units in the Balkans.
| 816 |
The Left Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:40:13am |
re: #807 Aceofwhat?
sinner
//(hope you guys are having fun)
We are! thanks!
Is it still a sin if we're married? Or is that only if we're doing it right? :)
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darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:40:50am |
re: #809 gegenkritik
Even though Israel has without doubts the strongest military in the region, one has to consider that it's a very small land with just about seven million people (of whom a big part is not too loyal or even hostile ), with no oil, gas or other resources. On the other hand, the Arabic world has the biggest oil-reserves in the world and mmore than 200 million people. You can guess how this will end, if Israel has not a superior army anytime.
Build some big fucking casinos. Arabs love to gamble, drink, pick up hookers, etc...you just need a catchy slogan, like "What happens in Tel Aviv stays in Tel Aviv". Tourism could be a great industry.
| 818 |
pingjockey Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:41:17am |
BBIAB. Little man would like to go onto Lego builder. You can build virtual lego creations.
| 819 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:41:27am |
re: #816 iceweasel
We are! thanks!
Is it still a sin if we're married? Or is that only if we're doing it right? :)
It's called "missionary" for a reason!!
/
| 820 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:41:28am |
Boba Fett Volunteers
| 821 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:41:32am |
re: #817 darthstar
Bahrain might not like that, it'd be stealing their main source of money :P
| 822 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:41:43am |
re: #815 MandyManners
I'm guessing you haven't read the book of Exodus.
| 823 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:41:59am |
| 824 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:42:27am |
re: #775 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks though I have no clue how to view it LOL. I just hatched.
| 825 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:42:27am |
| 826 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:43:06am |
re: #824 Dreggas
Thanks though I have no clue how to view it LOL. I just hatched.
Click on your avatar.
| 827 |
gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:43:07am |
re: #817 darthstar
Yes, but it ruins the atmosphere in the Casino, if a suicide-bomber once a week destroys all the interior.
| 828 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:43:29am |
re: #814 windsagio
This is old territory, but it grates me that we give them this huge amount of aid in grants/loans/sales, and yet the Pres still gets crap for not doing enough.
We do more for them in aggregate than any other country I can think of*, hands down. All that help SHOULD come with some influence, really.
(*except maybe us putting all those troops in South Korea)
*shrug*
seems to me that their mere existence, and the counterbalance it provides to the ring o'theocrats in the region, is worth a lot of sales and favorable loan terms...sales and favorable loan terms which really aren't setting us back very much, mind you.
| 829 |
RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:44:07am |
re: #812 RogueOne
Root was the VP candidate and I think he's trying to position himself as the Presidential candidate. There was a reason I didn't like him but I'm going to have to look it up why.
That was easy, found it:
Red Flag in the LP
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
At both events, my own speech was preceded by a speech from Wayne Allyn Root, the party’s candidate for vice president in 2008, and who has apparently already made himself a candidate for the 2012 nomination.I won’t comment on the bulk of Root’s speeches, because I was invited to both events as a speaker, not as a journalist or a blogger. But I will comment on one thing Root mentioned in both speeches, because it’s essentially public information. In touting his ability to win high-profile media coverage, Root mentioned in both speeches that he is now a weekly commentator on Michael Savage’s weekly radio show.
I’m not a member of the Libertarian Party, so perhaps my advice doesn’t mean much to them. But I’m going to give it, anyway:
Stop this, now. Either persuade Root to stop going on Savage’s show, or show Root the door. I’m all about building coalitions where appropriate. But there’s nothing remotely appropriate about Michael Savage.
Michael Savage is a raving bigot. He regularly uses phrases like “turd-world countries” and “ghetto slime.” He once wished rape on a group of high school girls who make trips into San Francisco to feed the homeless. He’s a blood-thirsty warmonger, and a feverish culture warrior. He once said on the air that, “”When I hear someone’s in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-15!” On social issues, he’s far to the right of just about every elected Republican official I can think of. He has wished AIDS and death on homosexuals. He regularly denigrates drug users. He is virulently anti-immigration. In short, there’s nothing remotely libertarian about him.
| 830 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:44:16am |
re: #816 iceweasel
We are! thanks!
Is it still a sin if we're married? Or is that only if we're doing it right? :)
into the land of too many details you go, and there i will not follow/
| 831 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:44:31am |
re: #815 MandyManners
Israel did not exist when Hitler was alive.
The Haj had a deal with Hitler to help him take control of the Mandate and, in exchange, Hitler would grant the Haj a significant leadership position.
Also, the Haj helped Hilter creat Muslim-only units in the Balkans.
It's amazing how the history of Palestine is forgotten so easily. In WW1, significant blocs of Arabs did help the Allied forces to fight against the Ottomans, but they made a much smaller contribution to the war effort (and for less ideological reasons) than did the intelligence provided by Jews in the region (see: NILI ), not to mention Weizmann's contributions.
In WW2, the Arab leadership (Haj Amin Al-Husseini) were very clearly rooting for the Nazi's to win, while the Brits were focused on preventing Jewish immigration to the region in order to keep the Arabs there quiet.
| 832 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:44:55am |
re: #824 Dreggas
Thanks though I have no clue how to view it LOL. I just hatched.
you look very serious/
| 833 |
gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:45:34am |
Here's a great documentary entitled Turban and Swastika. The Mufti and the Nazis:
About the German plans to invade Palestine and how they were fought back shortly before arriving there.
| 834 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:45:49am |
re: #827 gegenkritik
Yes, but it ruins the atmosphere in the Casino, if a suicide-bomber once a week destroys all the interior.
Don't be such a pessimist. Besides, there are a couple of million Palestinians starving for work. Pay them shit wages (like we do our hotel staff in the US), and they'll have an interest in keeping things safe.
| 835 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:46:22am |
re: #831 Joo-LiZ
It's amazing how the history of Palestine is forgotten so easily. In WW1, significant blocs of Arabs did help the Allied forces to fight against the Ottomans, but they made a much smaller contribution to the war effort (and for less ideological reasons) than did the intelligence provided by Jews in the region (see: NILI ), not to mention Weizmann's contributions.
In WW2, the Arab leadership (Haj Amin Al-Husseini, for one) were very clearly rooting for the Nazis to win, while the Brits were focused on preventing Jewish immigration to the region in order to keep the Arabs there quiet.
Today is really not my day for spelling/grammar.... I'm typing very stream-of-consciousness so don't mind all my errors.
| 836 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:46:43am |
There's a lot of mental effort being put into the "OMG ISLAM IS NAZISM!" meme today. Is that really the best way to look at the situation?
| 837 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:47:23am |
re: #835 Joo-LiZ
Wee izint spelin basturd here. dont worrie.
| 838 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:48:42am |
Some links aobut the Haj.
[Link: www.eretzyisroel.org...]
[Link: www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com...]
[Link: www.bankingonbaghdad.com...]
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 839 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:48:42am |
re: #836 windsagio
There's a lot of mental effort being put into the "OMG ISLAM IS NAZISM!" meme today. Is that really the best way to look at the situation?
No. The best way is to learn the history and understand the nuances. But how many people actually bother with that?
| 840 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:48:46am |
re: #836 windsagio
There's a lot of mental effort being put into the "OMG ISLAM IS NAZISM!" meme today. Is that really the best way to look at the situation?
No. Radical Islam wants to wipe everyone off the face of the planet. Including Muslims, if you're not Muslim enough.
| 841 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:49:31am |
re: #840 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. Radical Islam wants to wipe everyone off the face of the planet. Including Muslims, if you're not Muslim enough.
Sounds a lot like Radical Christianity.
| 842 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:50:19am |
re: #826 Cannadian Club Akbar
*facepalm* figures it would be that easy
| 843 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:50:30am |
re: #839 Joo-LiZ
True enough. Its harmful to think that way, in either direction. We need to look at the situation rationally, and not useEmotional reasoning or dogwhistles to bigotry (like comparing things to nazi's, if they're you know, not really like that at all)
| 844 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:50:30am |
re: #841 darthstar
Sounds a lot like Radical Christianity.
Any religion or group that believes this is a problem.
| 845 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:50:55am |
[Link: www.palestinefacts.org...]
[Link: emperors-clothes.com...]
| 846 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:51:23am |
re: #841 darthstar
Sounds a lot like Radical Christianity.
Radical ____. The difference is the scale.
| 848 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:51:55am |
re: #847 jaunte
Somebody brought up Israel, hijinks ensue.
| 849 |
gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:52:04am |
re: #841 darthstar
Sounds a lot like Radical Christianity.
Yes. I am also really afraid about all those Christian suicide-bombers, beheading of non-Christians, Christian supression of women and so on.
| 850 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:52:11am |
Back to home-grown idiocy for a moment...it appears there are some in the GOP who are starting to think their anti-Obama rhetoric might not be the winner they thought it was.
WASHINGTON -- Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that's roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama's new health care law.It's fine to criticize the health law and the way Democrats pushed it through Congress without a single GOP vote, these party leaders say. But focusing on its outright repeal carries two big risks.
Repeal is politically and legally unlikely, and grass-roots activists may feel disillusioned by a failed crusade. More important, say strategists from both parties, a fiercely repeal-the-bill stance might prove far less popular in a general election than in a conservative-dominated GOP primary, especially in states such as Illinois and California.
There's a bit more at the linik.
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MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:52:33am |
I cannot find my links about the way the Husaynis terrorized and murdered the other leading family at the time, the Nashashibis. The latter were amenable to compromise, to working for a two-state arrangement while the latter was most assuredly against it.
| 852 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:52:34am |
re: #847 jaunte
Good day, lizards, what's happening?
Been a good morning. We had fun!! Getting a bit more serious now.
| 853 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:52:46am |
re: #813 gegenkritik
Actually, they tried. Together with Rommel's Afrikakorps, several SS-Units in North-Africa prepared for an invasion of the holy land. Jews in Palestine were fighting in the British Army against Nazis there.
...While cafe society in Cairo was more or less awaiting "liberation" by Rommel's panzers.
| 854 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:52:54am |
re: #850 darthstar
Back to home-grown idiocy for a moment...it appears there are some in the GOP who are starting to think their anti-Obama rhetoric might not be the winner they thought it was.
There's a bit more at the linik.
please tell me that's the faint whiff of sanity in the air...
| 855 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:53:03am |
re: #850 darthstar
Nobody could have anticipated....
| 856 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:53:23am |
re: #849 gegenkritik
Yes. I am also really afraid about all those Christian suicide-bombers, beheading of non-Christians, Christian supression of women and so on.
Well, if you don't count putting a lock on a woman's uterus 'suppression of women'...but I see you prefer the most violent imagery.
| 857 |
badger1970 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:53:30am |
re: #849 gegenkritik
Yes. I am also really afraid about all those Christian suicide-bombers, beheading of non-Christians, Christian supression of women and so on.
Let's not go there, ok?
| 858 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:53:38am |
| 859 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:54:34am |
re: #858 windsagio
which is just as ewll, because I'm finally ready to catch a few Z's.
| 860 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:54:37am |
| 861 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:54:53am |
| 862 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:55:06am |
re: #849 gegenkritik
Yes. I am also really afraid about all those Christian suicide-bombers, beheading of non-Christians, Christian supression of women and so on.
Watch out. Someone might post a link to an article about the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa, a former Ugandan opposition that follows a self-appointed prophet and the Ten Commandments. After they were kicked out of Uganda, they hid out in the jungles of that region and are busy killing again.
Skeery "Christians".
| 863 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:55:23am |
| 864 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:55:53am |
re: #861 The Sanity Inspector
Please quit pretending to be an idiot.
How do you know if he's pretending?
| 865 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:56:42am |
re: #860 Varek Raith
Here, I'll make it easier.
God, leave us the hell alone.
There.
Freewill. (Also a great RUSH song on the "Spirit of Radio" CD) Heh.
| 866 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:56:54am |
Funny how criticizing Islamists garners accusations of hating ALL Muslims.
What's next? We'll be called "racists"?
| 867 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:57:32am |
re: #864 MandyManners
How do you know if he's pretending?
it's darthstar. he's a skier. good enough in my book...
| 868 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:57:33am |
re: #865 Cannadian Club Akbar
Freewill. (Also a great RUSH song on the "Spirit of Radio" CD) Heh.
Heh, freewill my ass.
Worship me or burn in hell for all eternity!
Yeah, nice choice.
;)
| 869 |
windsagio Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:57:48am |
| 870 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:57:51am |
re: #866 MandyManners
Funny how criticizing Islamists garners accusations of hating ALL Muslims.
What's next? We'll be called "racists"?
Yet, Islam is not a race.
| 871 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:58:07am |
re: #861 The Sanity Inspector
Please quit pretending to be an idiot.
Sure...as soon as people stop believing that their pretend "great spook in the sky" is better than everyone else's pretend "great spook in the sky."
God is merely a metaphor for the self. That's why every culture has a god (or several in some cases). He/she/it represents that culture, and offers an alternative to facing the reality that, when we die, our electricity turns off and we become compost.
| 872 |
The Left Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:58:26am |
re: #850 darthstar
Back to home-grown idiocy for a moment...it appears there are some in the GOP who are starting to think their anti-Obama rhetoric might not be the winner they thought it was.
There's a bit more at the linik.
ha! Benen is on this at Washington Monthly, too. Also.
GOP 'INCREASINGLY WORRIED' ABOUT REPEAL.... They can't say they weren't warned.
Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that's roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama's new health care law.
It's fine to criticize the health law and the way Democrats pushed it through Congress without a single GOP vote, these party leaders say. But focusing on its outright repeal carries two big risks.
Repeal is politically and legally unlikely, and grass-roots activists may feel disillusioned by a failed crusade. More important, say strategists from both parties, a fiercely repeal-the-bill stance might prove far less popular in a general election than in a conservative-dominated GOP primary, especially in states such as Illinois and California.
Democrats are counting on that scenario.
How antsy are Republicans? Texas Sen. John Cornyn, chairman of the NRSC, issued a new memo, called, "Moving Forward," to his candidates yesterday. The point was to offer a rhetorical blueprint on health care to Republicans running for the Senate this year.
The memo mentions the word "repeal" only once, in passing, and makes no effort to encourage GOP candidates to run on a repeal platform.
It's not exactly a mystery why -- repeal is an electoral loser. If Cornyn & Co. thought the demands from the right-wing base were sensible and likely to produce victories at the ballot box, they'd quickly embrace the line Republican voters want to hear. They haven't because they know better, and want to win.
Thus, top Republicans are "increasingly worried." We saw a great example of this yesterday with Rep. Mark Kirk (R), an increasingly-conservative Senate candidate in Illinois. Kirk already signed a pledge, promising the right to pursue a full repeal of the Affordable Care Act, but when pressed on whether he intends to stick to it, Kirk suddenly got shy.
On the list of campaign angles Democrats are anxious to talk about in the fall, this ranks pretty high.
| 873 |
What, me worry? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:58:34am |
re: #834 darthstar
Don't be such a pessimist. Besides, there are a couple of million Palestinians starving for work. Pay them shit wages (like we do our hotel staff in the US), and they'll have an interest in keeping things safe.
I'm not following you. Are you saying there are no tourist attractions in Israel? The whole place is an attraction! Put aside the 1000s year history of ancient ruins and cities, there's the beautiful Mediterranean, the Dead Sea, the mountains in the north, a kick-ass night life, too much to mention. Now, you want to compare the disputed territories?
Gaming doesn't have to be a draw (no pun intended).
| 875 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:59:33am |
re: #843 windsagio
True enough. Its harmful to think that way, in either direction. We need to look at the situation rationally, and not useEmotional reasoning or dogwhistles to bigotry (like comparing things to nazi's, if they're you know, not really like that at all)
I think the issue is in trying to mobilize masses of people. Without the time to go through all the extensive arguments, you pick something people have an emotional connotation to and connect the two concepts.
Not saying it is a good way to go. Not in the slightest. But it is particularly effective. We can see this being done a lot in domestic debates lately, to the detriment of everyone.
The Nazis are the ultimate archetype for "clear and unequivocally evil" so that is most commonly used. I really don't like it, same thing with the Holocaust.
The Holocaust isn't just the pinnacle of evil because 6 million Jews were killed. So were millions others. Not too mention the 10s of millions who were killed actually fighting. What makes the Holocaust so unique and important an incident in history is the cold, calculated, targeting of a specific group. It was the almost... conditioning of an entire society not to think for themselves, and it allowed them to expand the "targeted group" as wide as they saw fit. It is the pure efficiency of an industrial blueprint to the manufacturing of death and destruction.
Nothing we have seen since comes close to the societal conditions, to the intent behind the actions seen in the Holocaust.
Now, that is not to say other atrocities have not occurred.
Other atrocities that carry their own very real sets of lessons. There have been other cases in which Apathy abounds. Rwanda, Darfur, the Congo, just to same some African examples.
Each of these, however, is fundamentally different from the Holocaust.
I think too few really see that difference.
| 876 |
MandyManners Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:59:51am |
| 877 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 9:59:58am |
re: #866 MandyManners
Funny how criticizing Islamists garners accusations of hating ALL Muslims.
What's next? We'll be called "racists"?
Kind of like criticizing the Israeli government makes a person an anti-semite. I don't equate religion with government, or government with religion. Even in countries that claim to be religiously based (Muslim Saudi Arabia, Christian United States, Jewish Israel, whatever).
| 878 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:00:29am |
re: #868 Varek Raith
Heh, freewill my ass.
Worship me or burn in hell for all eternity!
Yeah, nice choice.
;)
IIRC, don't Catholics get purgatory?
| 879 |
darthstar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:01:18am |
Okay...time for me to talk to Belfast...back in a while.
| 880 |
Varek Raith Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:01:19am |
re: #878 Cannadian Club Akbar
IIRC, don't Catholics get purgatory?
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that place. Sounds...interesting.
:)
| 882 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:02:11am |
re: #880 Varek Raith
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that place. Sounds...interesting.
:)
Me and you, we'll have drinks...
| 883 |
What, me worry? Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:06:22am |
re: #875 Joo-LiZ
Well ok, but did the Rwandans (or was it the Tutsis?) or Charles Taylor's goons do live medical experiments on their victims? Or make furniture out of their carcasses? I don't think we should be arguing over whose genocide was worse, but I have my own ideas on the matter.
| 884 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:07:30am |
re: #760 darthstar
Israel could survive fine without US aid. They'd just have to be a bit more diplomatic in their negotiations. Who knows...it might even be the fastest way for them to find peace with their neighbors.
Which neighbors are you talking about, and what exactly would 'diplomacy' look like?
| 885 |
RogueOne Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:16:26am |
re: #884 SanFranciscoZionist
IMO, Darth has it exactly backwards. We (by "we" I mean the US and the rest of the world) have been nothing but enablers. The palis' are still considered "refugees" after 40 years and nothing has been done but talking over each others heads while occasionally lobbing missiles back and forth. If we really wanted an end to all this we'd force the issue. Let Israel do what it needs to do and force the Palestinians to own their situation. As long as the rest of the world pays the Palestinians to sit on their asses and wait, that's exactly what they're going to do.
| 886 |
gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:20:57am |
re: #862 MandyManners
Yes, the LRA is one of the most popular alibis of atheists and other morons, who want to equate all religions. It's needless to argue on this level.
What's more interesting, is the motivation of the Christendom-haters. In countries, which were christianized only on the surface (e.g. Germany), anti-Semitism expressed in much more barbaric quality than in deeply christianized countries. There's a strange ambivalence in this phenomenon: On the one hand, Christian anti-judaism was one of the foundations of modern anti-Semitism. On the other hand, people who in some way stayed pagan (even though they might follow Christian liturgy), were much more attracted to the ideas of National Socialism (in Germany, aong the common people, it were mostly religious Catholics, who were skeptical of NS).
Today, stupid atheists like Richard Dawkins use anti-semitic phrases to agitate against Judaism and Christendom alike.
Those, who equate Christianity and Judaism with Islam, are trivializing the anti-civilization resentment, which is intrinsically tied to Islam.
| 887 |
The Sanity Inspector Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:28:37am |
RIP jazz guitarist Herb Ellis
| 888 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:29:24am |
re: #817 darthstar
Build some big fucking casinos. Arabs love to gamble, drink, pick up hookers, etc...you just need a catchy slogan, like "What happens in Tel Aviv stays in Tel Aviv". Tourism could be a great industry.
Nah, brown-nosing oil-rich Arabs is a Western gig.
| 889 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:31:05am |
re: #883 marjoriemoon
Well ok, but did the Rwandans (or was it the Tutsis?) or Charles Taylor's goons do live medical experiments on their victims? Or make furniture out of their carcasses? I don't think we should be arguing over whose genocide was worse, but I have my own ideas on the matter.
That was my point...
All too often other things get compared to the Holocaust, and it cheapens what the Holocaust really was.
| 890 |
prairiefire Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:31:55am |
re: #849 gegenkritik
I think the recent arrest in Michigan shows your "fears" are becoming more real. There is a non-denominational fundamentalist Christian group that lives around here. The women are very restricted (no working outside the home) and wear extra clothing to cover up.
| 891 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:37:17am |
re: #709 ShaunP
Car makers found out looong ago that Americans do not buy the same type of vehicles that pretty much any other country will. Blame the US consumer for hulking vehicles and no diesel options. They vote with their dollar...
"You can take my V-8 when you pry the steering wheel from my cold dead hands?"
O_o
Odd rhetorical level to take about a car. But look what level Mad Max went to to keep his from being inherited...
| 892 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:43:37am |
re: #827 gegenkritik
Yes, but it ruins the atmosphere in the Casino, if a suicide-bomber once a week destroys all the interior.
Would the weekly betting pool for that have a duck with a mustache and be titled "You Bet Your Life"?
/
| 893 |
Ericus58 Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:18:57am |
re: #876 MandyManners
Great article and perspective from Totten.
I hope most everyone took the time to check the link out and read it. And not dismissively passed over the post due to "who" posted it.
I may not agree with a posters position, but out of being fair I will read the link.
I try and not talk "over" or "at" a poster, but "to" them....
but I do fail upon occasion. My bad.
| 894 |
Obdicut Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:25:49pm |
re: #886 gegenkritik
Germany, the site of the Holy Roman Empire, was "christianized only on the surface". Wow. Not to mention a little guy named Martin Luther.
Can you please stop trying to rewrite history?
| 895 |
gegenkritik Wed, Mar 31, 2010 4:55:58pm |
re: #894 Obdicut
Funny, that someone who thinks that "Karl Marx was appalled by the Russian Revolution" wants to teach me about history.
I could write long essays about the continuity of pagan socialisation - especially among German Protestants - but I don't think you are worth my time.
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