So That’s What ‘Republican Whip’ Means

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The party of family values.

The latest scandal to dog the Republican National Committee—a $1,946 tab at the Los Angeles club Voyeur in February, first reported Monday by the Daily Caller—is tame by Washington standards and far from the electoral fodder some Democrats are making it out to be. Even under the worst-case scenario for Republicans, all they lose is a party chairman widely viewed as a failure.

That said, the details make for juicy copy. A young Republican donor group called the Young Eagles organized a fundraiser at the Beverly Hills Hilton on Jan. 31. After the event, a group that included RNC staffers decamped to Voyeur. When the credit card of Young Eagles director Allison Meyers was declined, a California donor named Erik Brown offered his and later asked to be reimbursed by the RNC. The Daily Caller spotted the reimbursement in the committee’s monthly FEC report. Meyers was fired from the RNC on Monday.

Voyeur was described in a recent Los Angeles Times write-up as “reminiscent of the masked orgy scene” in Eyes Wide Shut, complete with “impromptu bondage and S&M ‘scenes’ being played out on an elevated platform by scantily clad performers throughout the night.” A reviewer for the Web site Yelp described watching “two girls simulating oral sex in a glass case.”

The scandal also plays into the narrative that RNC Chairman Michael Steele has no idea what he’s doing. Steele has faded into the background in recent months after a series of embarrassing statements, including using the phrases “honest Injun” and “flipping the bird.” In an interview with GQ, he said abortion was an “individual choice.” And his promise to give the GOP an “off the hook,” “hip-hop” makeover—not to mention a series of photos of Steele following through on that promise—has been widely mocked.

That said, the bondage flap doesn’t have the makings of a lasting scandal—so far, at least. For one thing, it appears that Steele didn’t attend the event and didn’t know about the reimbursement. Others might have known: The Daily Caller reported Tuesday that two top RNC officials may have had to approve the reimbursements for the nightclub, in which case consent would run far up the chain of command. And Steele is, of course, responsible for what happens under his watch. But he’s far enough from the center of the storm that he can plausibly plead ignorance.

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442 comments
1 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:02:42am

Let’s face it, you can’t exactly whack off to The Waltons.

2 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:03:20am

re: #1 Jeff In Ohio

Let’s face it, you can’t exactly whack off to The Waltons.

You’re not trying hard enough.

3 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:04:08am

Wow, i’ve been to LA a few times, but apparently been hanging out with too many Dems…all i did was eat sushi and have a cocktail near the beach…

4 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:04:13am

re: #2 RogueOne

You’re not trying hard enough.

Spank me John Boy.

5 Kilroy01  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:04:15am

“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
Ambrose Bierce

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:04:48am

WAYYY to easy to make jokes here.

7 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:05:24am

re: #4 Jeff In Ohio

Spank me John Boy.

That is sooo wrong…
XD

8 jaunte  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:06:09am

re: #1 Jeff In Ohio

Rule 34 in one!

9 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:06:14am

re: #7 Varek Raith

That is sooo wrong…
XD

Yeah, he does come off as quite the bottom.

10 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:06:31am

re: #3 Aceofwhat?

Wow, i’ve been to LA a few times, but apparently been hanging out with too many Dems…all i did was eat sushi and have a cocktail near the beach…

Slacker. You didn’t even try to hold up our values.
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11 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:06:38am

Tucker Carlson has been administering quite the beatdown; the larger issue isn’t just the lesbian S& M club, but the out of control spending:
video here—

The complaints from the RNC about this morning’s Daily Caller article, “High Flyer: RNC Chairman Steele suggested buying private jet with RNC funds,” while loud, lack substance. Despite claims to the contrary, no one from the committee has ever explained the specific circumstances of any of the expenses listed in its most recent disclosure filings.

Our questions remain: Why did the committee spend more than $17,000 on private jets in the month of February? How and why was RNC business conducted in a bondage-themed nightclub, and how and why were the nearly $2,000 in charges that resulted approved by RNC staff?

To be clear: We did not claim that Michael Steele personally visited Voyeur West Hollywood. In fact, and unfortunately, we still know almost nothing about that trip, including its purpose. If the RNC provides details, we’ll put them on the site immediately.

The Daily Caller requested interviews with Michael Steele on Jan. 14, Jan. 15, Jan. 18, Feb. 10, Feb. 23 and again on March 23. All were denied.

The story we ran today is accurate, as the RNC knows.

12 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:06:52am

re: #3 Aceofwhat?

Wow, i’ve been to LA a few times, but apparently been hanging out with too many Dems…all i did was eat sushi and have a cocktail near the beach…

Your parties suck!

13 albusteve  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:07:11am

plausible ignorance…that pretty much sums it up

14 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:07:25am

And one wonders why donations from the “little” folk are down. Both committees know for damn well their ledgers are free game for fodder. How can one spend so much money on such a stupid enterprise is beyond me?

Maybe the RNC can claim they were helping the local arts.

15 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:07:47am
When the credit card of Young Eagles director Allison Meyers was declined, a California donor named Erik Brown offered his and later asked to be reimbursed by the RNC.

Some donor.

I’ll bet he “donated” something else later that night, though.

16 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:07:52am

re: #12 RogueOne

Your parties suck!

maybe i really am a RINO!

17 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:08:43am

“I only went to the strip club for the free popcorn that wasn’t subsidized by the gubment.”
CCA
heh.

18 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:08:55am

re: #8 jaunte

Rule 34 in one!

Well, shit yeah, it’s practically a THREAD about mainstreaming deviant sex.

19 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:08:55am

re: #11 iceweasel

Tucker Carlson has been administering quite the beatdown; the larger issue isn’t just the lesbian S& M club, but the out of control spending:
video here—

You would think in this political climate the head of national party would understand that “frugality” is the word of the season.

20 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:09:27am

Join the Whigs! They’re into dressing up.

21 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:09:57am

Where is the club Whigs go to?

22 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:10:09am

re: #11 iceweasel

Leave it to Tucker to find the silver lining!

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:11:06am

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

Where is the club Whigs go to?

Right between the ones the other go to.
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24 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:11:11am

Wait, “simulated” oral sex?

I guess it was either that, or sneak into a PG-13 rated movie. Yawn.

25 Virginia Plain  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:11:41am

Why do I not find it surprising that Republicans may be into bondage and S&M s***? One’s hobbies can tell a lot about a person.

26 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:11:54am

Don’t you see! When the GOP goes to a posh imitation S&M show club in Beverly Hills, it isn’t like the Dems at all! The Dems go to the real S&M clubs with torture dungeons where they get out their animal passions in a frenzy of hot leather and latex - with depraved perverted women who actually enjoy such things!

That is degrading to good pure women everywhere. All good women know that only bad girls like sex!

The RNC went to a place where the women were only paid to simulate the acts for money and in servicing of voyeurs who could only imagine using their bodies. The women their probably hate every minute of the job!

Since they hate the sexuality, it is not degrading to women at all! But those evil progressives with all of their free love want to turn the natural order of things around!

27 steve_davis  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:11:56am

A reviewer for the Web site Yelp described watching “two girls simulating oral sex in a glass case.”

“Have you got two lesbians simulating oral sex in a can? Yes? Well, let ‘em out! They can’t breathe!”

—Vaudeville Meets the Techno-Sexual CyperPunk Movement, 2003 Pentagon White Paper—

28 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:12:16am

If most GOP members joined the 21st century nothing would be made out of these events. Instead, they pretend to be the party of puritanical beliefs and shunning diverse forms of sexuality with the likes of Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly, James Dobson, etc. When news of this comes out, and it’s been coming out almost monthly, it makes the headlines.

29 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:12:33am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Some donor.

I’ll bet he “donated” something else later that night, though.

The best part is the bit you didn’t highlight:

When the credit card of Young Eagles director Allison Meyers was declined

RNC Fail.

Reminder: Steele also held the annual shindig in Hawaii this winter, as opposed to Maryland.
GOP leaders seek to distance themselves from Michael Steele

And don’t forget that one of Steele’s first actions was….to go on a book tour.


Steele’s book caught GOP leaders by surprise

Republican congressional leaders say they did not know that their party chairman, Michael S. Steele, was publishing a book until it was released this week, and they had no input in drafting what Steele is promoting as the blueprint Republicans should follow to win back power.

The release of Steele’s book, “Right Now: A 12-Step Program for Defeating the Obama Agenda,” surprised Republican congressional leaders, some of whom first learned of the book by watching Steele’s television appearances this week, three top GOP congressional aides said Friday. The staffers would only describe their bosses’ communications with the Republican National Committee chairman on condition of anonymity.

What up, Michael Steele? heh. Not RNC donations!

30 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:12:45am

On the other hand, I feel that we’re not taking in to account the need for people to release their ‘deviant’ fetishes in a public way. WOuld it be to much to ask for you to let down your denial and embrace what these young Republicans are trying to say, instead of demonizing and mocking them through their actions?

31 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:13:59am

re: #28 Gus 802

Religious right social conservatives piss me off. // channeling Cartman

32 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:15:01am

re: #24 Kreniigh

Yeah, They wasted their money on the equivalent of rapidly flipping the pages of a penthouse. I really don’t get the attraction.

Here’s the description of the place from a club guide:

Of course no high-end establishment with high-end backers would come right out and call itself a sex club…but, there’s a guest list, the female employees disrobe, pornographic pictures double as wallpaper, and patrons are advised to be “uninhibited” in the photo booth. In addition, this place’s classy: tea sandwiches are served; cocktails are organic. Just nibble, sip, n’ relax in a leather chair.

33 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:15:20am

re: #30 Jeff In Ohio

On the other hand, I feel that we’re not taking in to account the need for people to release their ‘deviant’ fetishes in a public way. WOuld it be to much to ask for you to let down your denial and embrace what these young Republicans are trying to say, instead of demonizing and mocking them through their actions?

Yes. In other words, while they’re trying to attract younger people the message they’re sending is to “take a vow against a personal sexuality before you join our team.” Some would say a vow of celibacy.

34 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:15:53am

What happened to the Morning Wingnut Wave? They bitch about “Pelosi’s jet” several times a week, still.

What, nothing to say about Steele’s desire to buy a private plane, or the bills he’s been running up?
Bueller? ….Bueller?

…..I guess that should be Butthurt? Butthurt?

35 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:16:00am

re: #26 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

You have a point. I go for the real deal, not the simulations.

re: #3 Aceofwhat?

Let me know when you’re out here, we’ll do sushi then off to the clubs LOL.

36 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:16:12am

Republicans just wanna have fun!

Youtube Video

37 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:17:05am

re: #34 iceweasel

Taxpayers v. Donors?

38 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:17:16am

re: #34 iceweasel

What happened to the Morning Wingnut Wave? They bitch about “Pelosi’s jet” several times a week, still.

What, nothing to say about Steele’s desire to buy a private plane, or the bills he’s been running up?
Bueller? …Bueller?

…I guess that should be Butthurt? Butthurt?

No to private planes!!! Yes to lap dances!! And beer.
/

39 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:17:27am

re: #36 marjoriemoon

Republicans just wanna have fun!


[Video]

Republicans for Sexual Liberation ©

/

40 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:17:42am

re: #32 Obdicut

Yeah, They wasted their money on the equivalent of rapidly flipping the pages of a penthouse. I really don’t get the attraction.

Here’s the description of the place from a club guide:

You misunderstand the attraction of the sex club. It’s not ogling naked or half naked women doing things that your wife won’t do or you can see in a magazine. It’s being in a place with a bunch of OTHER MEN WHO ALL HAVE ERECTIONS.

41 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:17:57am

How does an unofficial after event party run by a volunteer committee member (after being told not to do so by the RNC leadership) reflect on republicans and Michael Steele in the first place.

The worst the RNC can be accused of is approving the reimbursement instead of telling the staffer “we told you not to do that so you are paying for it yourself”.

What was that word we like to use here? Oh yeah Nontroversey.

Hey but anything to “whack” the Republicans with huh? (pun intended)

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:18:25am

If young Republicans wish to go to expensive raunchy nightclubs, that’s OK with me. But then again, I’ve never donated any money to the RNC. If I had done so, I might be feeling slightly more concerned about this whole situation.

43 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:18:33am

re: #32 Obdicut

Yeah, They wasted their money on the equivalent of rapidly flipping the pages of a penthouse. I really don’t get the attraction.

Here’s the description of the place from a club guide:

See this is just a perfectly ethical business transaction! The only thing that happened was that the performers were rented for a little teasing. And anyway, we know they hated every minute of it, because the girls all perform with other girls and don’t like men anyway!

It’s perfectly Christian! No woman actually enjoyed herself physically!

It’s not like those sicko Dems at all!

44 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:19:19am

re: #33 Gus 802

Yes. In other words, while they’re trying to attract younger people the message they’re sending is to “take a vow against a personal sexuality before you join our team.” Some would say a vow of celibacy.

(Put’s on Concern Troll Hat:)

Well of course, that is your partisan take on this human display of pent up desire. But being in denial about their true feelings is not going to get anyone anywhere.

45 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:19:32am

re: #34 iceweasel

What happened to the Morning Wingnut Wave? They bitch about “Pelosi’s jet” several times a week, still.

What, nothing to say about Steele’s desire to buy a private plane, or the bills he’s been running up?
Bueller? …Bueller?

…I guess that should be Butthurt? Butthurt?

Whoa, speaking of sex clubs, shouldn’t you be in a better mood?//

46 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:20:01am

re: #34 iceweasel

What happened to the Morning Wingnut Wave? They bitch about “Pelosi’s jet” several times a week, still.

What, nothing to say about Steele’s desire to buy a private plane, or the bills he’s been running up?
Bueller? …Bueller?

…I guess that should be Butthurt? Butthurt?

It was postponed by good tidings. Really. It was…nice!

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:20:19am

re: #45 RogueOne

Whoa, speaking of sex clubs, shouldn’t you be in a better mood?//

Ding for a “carry over.”:)

48 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:20:42am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

If young Republicans wish to go to expensive raunchy nightclubs, that’s OK with me. But then again, I’ve never donated any money to the RNC. If I had done so, I might be feeling slightly more concerned about this whole situation.

I suppose. But entertainment is still an important aspect of political schmoozing. In that case there’s really no difference in spending $2000 for a Superbowl game as it is with spending $2000 at a sex club.

49 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:21:04am

re: #35 Dreggas

You have a point. I go for the real deal, not the simulations.

re: #3 Aceofwhat?

Let me know when you’re out here, we’ll do sushi then off to the clubs LOL.

Seriously. This whole ‘cocktails by the beach’ thing is too buttoned-up for me…

50 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:21:23am

re: #39 Gus 802

Republicans for Sexual Liberation ©

/

hehe Come out of the garden, baby. You’ll catch your death in the fog. Young girl, they call them the Diamond Dogs.

Youtube Video

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:21:32am

re: #48 Gus 802

I suppose. But entertainment is still an important aspect of political schmoozing. In that case there’s really no difference in spending $2000 for a Superbowl game as it is with spending $2000 at a sex club.

At least at a Superbowl, someone scores!

52 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:21:43am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

If young Republicans wish to go to expensive raunchy nightclubs, that’s OK with me. But then again, I’ve never donated any money to the RNC. If I had done so, I might be feeling slightly more concerned about this whole situation.

You don’t understand. It is all explained by God. These people are the elect. It is their right to act as they want. Other lesser people have to obey God’s law for their own protection. However those with a true connection to the WORD are exempt!

53 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:21:56am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. To be clear, I have no problem with anyone going to strip club or sex club of this type, though it ain’t my cup of tea and if you got to know some of the female employees it’d probably take some of the fun out of it.

It’s just not something that political campaign contributions should be spent on, and it’s another sign that at least the younger people in the GOP are ill-suited to claims of family values and moral rectitude.

54 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:22:15am

Well, I’d like to stick around as I was made for this thread, but alas, I have to run to the whole foods store and stock up on the really expensive shit my daughter can only eat. With that I’d like to say

adieu blowjob.

55 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:22:57am

re: #49 Aceofwhat?

Seriously. This whole ‘cocktails by the beach’ thing is too buttoned-up for me…

Stop saying cock tail.

56 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:23:09am

Semi-OT: on the subject of our dear Religious Right:

A 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll released the other day found that 50% of respondents would be willing to support an openly-gay presidential candidate. The Family Research Council, a prominent religious right group with ties to the Republican leadership, suggested yesterday that President Obama may effectively (not literally) already be “our first gay president.” (via Right Wing Watch)

[I]f it was argued during his two terms in office that Bill Clinton was “our first black President” because of his supposed liberal policies that would benefit African-Americans (though I’m not quite sure what President Clinton did, that he wasn’t forced to do, that would benefit any minority except for Chinese monks with political donations to spend.) With that argument shouldn’t Barack Obama already be our “first gay President” due to his liberal policies pushing the homosexual agenda?

The Family Research Council isn’t saying President Obama is gay; it’s saying President Obama might as well be considered gay, the same way Bill Clinton was considered black.

And the religious right wonders why it’s so hard to take their movement seriously.

Warning: link to the FRC article here. Can’t get cache to work.
thecloakroomblog.com

57 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:23:22am

I love this thread.

58 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:24:08am

re: #53 Obdicut

Yeah. To be clear, I have no problem with anyone going to strip club or sex club of this type, though it ain’t my cup of tea and if you got to know some of the female employees it’d probably take some of the fun out of it.

It’s just not something that political campaign contributions should be spent on, and it’s another sign that at least the younger people in the GOP are ill-suited to claims of family values and moral rectitude.

Perhaps you should be cheering their decision as a sign that they may get back to fiscal conservatism with a more progressive view regarding social conservatism? I can see it now. “The future of the Republican party is in the hand of those who are holding themselves in their hands!”

59 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:24:20am

re: #41 DaddyG

Well, there’s a couple articles on the subject that answer your question, and you might read them. Including the large one at the top of the page.

RNC staffers were present, the expenditures were approved, and Steele is the head of the RNC. It’s kind of simple.

I’d also note that your post kind of seems like it’s accusing Charles of doing ‘anything to whack the Republicans’.

60 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:24:22am

re: #49 Aceofwhat?

No trip to So-Cal is complete without a visit to the pleasure chest and a night at some of the clubs. After this story came out I added a new spot to my list of places the fiance and I need to go.

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:24:32am

re: #57 RogueOne

I love this thread.

Not as fun as the “PETA sends President Obama a Fly Catcher” thread.

62 webevintage  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #41 DaddyG

What was that word we like to use here? Oh yeah Nontroversey.

Hey but anything to “whack” the Republicans with huh? (pun intended)

For me it is a Nontroversey since I’m not a Social Conservative who has donated money to the RNC or a Fiscal Conservative worried about lavish spending.
But it does have that fun “hoo boy those family values folks got caught with their pants down again” vibe to it.

I’m waiting for the next Palin family scandal to gain some headwind….

63 allegro  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:25:12am

re: #48 Gus 802

I suppose. But entertainment is still an important aspect of political schmoozing. In that case there’s really no difference in spending $2000 for a Superbowl game as it is with spending $2000 at a sex club.

But not as funny.

64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:25:50am

re: #58 DaddyG

I do think that the younger crowd in the RNC may revitalize it, however, there really aren’t that many of them, and a lot of them are the more radicalized set.

I have no clue how the GOP is going to find its way out of the weeds. I have no goddamn clue. I didn’t think they’d disintegrate this far.

65 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:26:24am

re: #45 RogueOne

Whoa, speaking of sex clubs, shouldn’t you be in a better mood?//

Sweetheart, I’m in a great mood! Really, you have no idea. :)

66 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:26:33am

Totally off topic.

It turns out that bacon and cheesecake have narcotic effects.

It is not Rush’s or dad’s fault that they have gotten so paunchy. It’s an addiction! Will the miracles of science never cease?

Fatty foods may cause cocaine-like addiction

cnn.com

A new study in rats suggests that high-fat, high-calorie foods affect the brain in much the same way as cocaine and heroin. When rats consume these foods in great enough quantities, it leads to compulsive eating habits that resemble drug addiction, the study found.

So you see this is science at its best explaining why we need to be more understanding and compassionate to people like Dad and Rush. It isn’t like those evil Darwinist lies!

67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:27:24am

re: #65 iceweasel

So what’s your guy’s schedule? Are you leaving New York before July?

That’s when my fiancée and I move there. Though she’ll be my wife by then.

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:27:57am

re: #66 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Totally off topic.

It turns out that bacon and cheesecake have narcotic effects.

It is not Rush’s or dad’s fault that they have gotten so paunchy. It’s an addiction! Will the miracles of science never cease?

Fatty foods may cause cocaine-like addiction

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

So you see this is science at its best explaining why we need to be more understanding and compassionate to people like Dad and Rush. It isn’t like those evil Darwinist lies!

Also, scientist found this: It taste good.
/

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:27:58am

Anyone else suspect this is part on an internal RNC campaign to get rid of Steele?

70 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:27:58am

re: #65 iceweasel

Sweetheart, I’m in a great mood! Really, you have no idea. :)

I’ve been trolling your twitter feed for pics but no luck thus far.

71 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:28:01am

re: #56 iceweasel

Semi-OT: on the subject of our dear Religious Right:

Warning: link to the FRC article here. Can’t get cache to work.
[Link: www.thecloakroomblog.com…]

Yeah, Obama. The first foreign born, gay, Communist, socialist, anti-Semitic, bowing, anorexic, atheist, internationalist, Soros-puppet, gun confiscating, abortionist, eugenicist president.

//Yep, that’s the ticket.

//

72 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:28:03am

re: #67 Obdicut

So what’s your guy’s schedule? Are you leaving New York before July?

That’s when my fiancée and I move there. Though she’ll be my wife by then.

Breaking character, CONGRATULATIONS!

73 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:28:49am

re: #59 Obdicut

Well, there’s a couple articles on the subject that answer your question, and you might read them. Including the large one at the top of the page.

RNC staffers were present, the expenditures were approved, and Steele is the head of the RNC. It’s kind of simple.

I’d also note that your post kind of seems like it’s accusing Charles of doing ‘anything to whack the Republicans’.

Even OSHA doesn’t hold the executive of an organization to account if an employee disobeys policy and direction while commiting a violation.

And in a similar vein I don’t blame Charles for everything people post on his blog.

And in an even more similar vein I’d rather discuss what what I write not what you think it “kind of seems like”.

74 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:28:53am

re: #34 iceweasel

What happened to the Morning Wingnut Wave? They bitch about “Pelosi’s jet” several times a week, still.

What, nothing to say about Steele’s desire to buy a private plane, or the bills he’s been running up?
Bueller? …Bueller?

…I guess that should be Butthurt? Butthurt?

Lately the ringleader has been busy praising Karl “Magnificent Bastard” Rove and defending him against the depredations of the CodePink ladies, who have been trying to handcuff him and drag him off for some water sports in their dungeon.

Mandy got all worked up about it.

75 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:29:22am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Anyone else suspect this is part on an internal RNC campaign to get rid of Steele?

Palin would bring in the D’oh! but not the message. IMO.

76 Cineaste  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:30:07am

These things wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t spend so much time running around judging everyone else’s lifestyles and morality.

Yeah, I’m looking at you Santorum.

77 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:30:13am

re: #65 iceweasel

Sweetheart, I’m in a great mood! Really, you have no idea. :)

I see, you are one of those bad girls, who enjoys having her Satan parts set on fire! Well let me tell you sister, that fire is nothing like the one you will be receiving for bragging about liking what was forbidden! I am disgusted!

Also, do you have any pics that we could research of your deviant activity to use as a warning to good girls?

78 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:30:30am

re: #67 Obdicut

So what’s your guy’s schedule? Are you leaving New York before July?

That’s when my fiancée and I move there. Though she’ll be my wife by then.

Damn— I hope we’ll both be in Scotland by the end of april. Congrats on you and your honey coming to NYC! let me know if you need help or advice w/r/t to anything NYC related.

We’re off now to hit the greenmarket, mostly because I want to mock the sad spectacle that passes for our local one in Scotland. In other news, Jimmah ate his first Hershey bar yesterday, and has never had rye bread until today.

Have fun folks! Obdi, congrats again and we’ll talk more soon I hope.

79 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:30:44am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Anyone else suspect this is part on an internal RNC campaign to get rid of Steele?

Entirely possible but I don’t think it’s going to work. The spending spree crap might but not the sex club charges.

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:30:47am

Fuck, I gotta run. See ya’ll in a bit.

81 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:31:56am

re: #53 Obdicut

Yeah. To be clear, I have no problem with anyone going to strip club or sex club of this type, though it ain’t my cup of tea and if you got to know some of the female employees it’d probably take some of the fun out of it.

It’s just not something that political campaign contributions should be spent on, and it’s another sign that at least the younger people in the GOP are ill-suited to claims of family values and moral rectitude.

It’s also just not something that should be done on anyone else’s dime.

If an employee of mine put that on their reimbursement (or, for that matter, if I put it on mine) I’d be fired.

Sex clubs are just not business expenses.

82 iceweasel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:31:56am

re: #77 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

I see, you are one of those bad girls, who enjoys having her Satan parts set on fire! Well let me tell you sister, that fire is nothing like the one you will be receiving for bragging about liking what was forbidden! I am disgusted!

Also, do you have any pics that we could research of your deviant activity to use as a warning to good girls?

Yep, start here:
Image: jimmahicesexromp.jpg

Later!

83 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:32:27am

re: #76 Cineaste

But they see it as their job to do that. They honestly believe that their mission is to impose their morals and values on everyone else. Yet any time someone raises a complaint they claim persecution.

The republican party made a deal with the devil when it joined with the religious right and now they are reaping what they sewed.

84 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:32:27am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Nah. I don’t the the clueless upper echelon at the RNC is smart enough to pull something like this off on purpose.

85 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:32:45am

re: #78 iceweasel

Damn— I hope we’ll both be in Scotland by the end of april. Congrats on you and your honey coming to NYC! let me know if you need help or advice w/r/t to anything NYC related.

We’re off now to hit the greenmarket, mostly because I want to mock the sad spectacle that passes for our local one in Scotland. In other news, Jimmah ate his first Hershey bar yesterday, and has never had rye bread until today.

Have fun folks! Obdi, congrats again and we’ll talk more soon I hope.

what are you doing?? you’ll live too close to the Continent to bother with that mud we pass off as chocolate here in the States…

86 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:33:05am

re: #73 DaddyG

Even OSHA doesn’t hold the executive of an organization to account if an employee disobeys policy and direction while commiting a violation.

If anyone in my company pulled this kind of thing, everyone involved would be fired and anyone who approved it would be fired, and there would be severe problems for the CEO for quite awhile. We’re pretty big on responsibility, but it’s also because of what Rogue said— frugality. We didn’t get a commensurate-with-inflation pay raise this year, and budgets are very tight. If this went down at our company, people would be angry as hell.

And in an even more similar vein I’d rather discuss what what I write not what you think it “kind of seems like”.

That’s what I did. I noted that when you said that ‘anything to whack the Republicans’, that that sentiment seems like, in the way that you wrote it, it’s aimed at Charles. I’m assuming that’s not what you meant.

87 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:33:45am

One point I absolutely agree on is that political parties and to a greater extent legislators need to be better stewards of the donations and taxes they receive. I don’t like being told to tighten my belt while I find out the power brokers are excusing themselves from budget cuts and austerity. This goes for RNC volunteers, my own state legislature (who hasn’t seen fit to raise state worker salaries in three years but raised their own staff budgets) Nanci Pelosi and other senators jet setting on the public dime and the White House and their lavish parties.

88 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:33:47am

Obviously the RNC was just trying to make sure college students were able to pay their tutitions.

89 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:34:17am

Surprise!

US test-fires Trident missile in drill with Saudis

By SALAH NASRAWI
The Associated Press
Wednesday, March 31, 2010; 12:11 PM

CAIRO — The United States test-fired a submarine-launched ballistic missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads during a joint military exercise Wednesday with Saudi Arabia, a Western military official said.

And you know that was approved from the top (the White House).

/Heads explode.

90 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:34:18am

re: #81 ~Fianna

It’s also just not something that should be done on anyone else’s dime.

If an employee of mine put that on their reimbursement (or, for that matter, if I put it on mine) I’d be fired.

Sex clubs are just not business expenses.

The RNC did fire the staffer that did this.

91 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:35:48am

re: #86 Obdicut

That’s what I did. I noted that when you said that ‘anything to whack the Republicans’, that that sentiment seems like, in the way that you wrote it, it’s aimed at Charles. I’m assuming that’s not what you meant.


People were fired and the CEO (Steele) is getting heat and trouble for it from other party officials. I don’t know what the additional outrage is all about unless it is partisan.

If I want to aim something at Charles I’ll use his name.

92 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:36:03am

re: #90 DaddyG

The RNC did fire the staffer that did this.

Only after it broke and became a problem.

I’d likely be fired for even trying. It certainly wouldn’t have been approved.

Not to mention that a 2k entertainment expense, no matter where it was, would raise eyebrows.

Anyone know how many people were at this shindig?

93 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:36:11am

re: #89 Gus 802
Holy crap! I used to do tracking of SLBMs when I was at Cape Canaveral on a missle tracking ship. The only reason I can see the Saudis being involved is to send Iran a little message.

94 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:36:51am

Voyeur was described in a recent Los Angeles Times write-up as “reminiscent of the masked orgy scene” in Eyes Wide Shut, complete with “impromptu bondage and S&M ‘scenes’ being played out on an elevated platform by scantily clad performers throughout the night.”

Now I’m pissed

I’ve sent checks to the RNC and all I got was a lousy membership card!!
/

95 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:37:25am

re: #93 pingjockey

Holy crap! I used to do tracking of SLBMs when I was at Cape Canaveral on a missle tracking ship. The only reason I can see the Saudis being involved is to send Iran a little message.

Exactly. It’s a big message if they’re paying attention.

96 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:37:27am

re: #92 ~Fianna

Only after it broke and became a problem.

I’d likely be fired for even trying. It certainly wouldn’t have been approved.

Not to mention that a 2k entertainment expense, no matter where it was, would raise eyebrows.

Anyone know how many people were at this shindig?

2k can be a lot or nothing, depending on what’s expected.

97 avanti  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:37:37am

A bit of saber rattling from Obama ?

US test fires Trident missile In Saudi Arabia.


missle.

98 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:37:53am

You know, I think I’ve actually been to that club once.

99 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:37:54am

re: #92 ~Fianna

Only after it broke and became a problem.

I’d likely be fired for even trying. It certainly wouldn’t have been approved.

Not to mention that a 2k entertainment expense, no matter where it was, would raise eyebrows.

Anyone know how many people were at this shindig?


Is there any evidence that Steele knew the reimbursement was made prior to it hitting the press? I’m not a huge Steele fan but there is a lot to criticize him over that is far more serious than a low level volunteer misappropriating funds with a reimbursement over a party they were told not to expense.

100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:38:12am

re: #91 DaddyG

People were fired and the CEO (Steele) is getting heat and trouble for it from other party officials. I don’t know what the additional outrage is all about unless it is partisan.

If I want to aim something at Charles I’ll use his name.


Okay. So who are you aiming it at, then? I really don’t get what you’re saying.

People were fired? How many people were fired?

101 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:38:49am

re: #92 ~Fianna

Only after it broke and became a problem.

Hard to fire someone BEFORE the fact!

just sayin!

102 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:39:07am

re: #89 Gus 802
The only 2 places to do such a launch with SA is the Persian Gulf or the Red Sea. I’m actually surprised the navy allowed a Trident boat in eithern place. We’d launch from off of Cape Canaveral and the re-entry zone was way down in the S. Atlantic.

103 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:39:35am

re: #95 Gus 802
I was being understated! :)

104 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:39:41am
105 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:40:23am

re: #48 Gus 802

I suppose. But entertainment is still an important aspect of political schmoozing. In that case there’s really no difference in spending $2000 for a Superbowl game as it is with spending $2000 at a sex club.

I think there’s a difference. Not so much the money involved, but the sleaziness of considering something like this an appropriate business outing. If you wanna go to sex clubs, go with your friends and spend your own money.

The RNC is right to tell the dude they won’t pay for this.

106 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:40:29am

re: #96 Aceofwhat?

2k can be a lot or nothing, depending on what’s expected.

That’s why I’m curious as to how many people were there.

107 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:40:36am

re: #97 avanti
It should get their attention. One Trident boat can carry 240 re-entry vehicles.

108 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:41:14am

re: #83 Dreggas

But they see it as their job to do that. They honestly believe that their mission is to impose their morals and values on everyone else. Yet any time someone raises a complaint they claim persecution.

The republican party made a deal with the devil when it joined with the religious right and now they are reaping what they sewed.

No we are trying to save you from the Devil!

Look how far this fine Christian nation, as was intended by the founding fathers, has fallen!

Almost half of all Americans believe the Darwinists. That is one half too many!

Almost half of all Americans believe that the abomination of gayness is something to be tolerated, to live and let live they say. Well look where that thinking got Soddom and Gemorrah!

And let’s look at the connections!

Soddom and Gemmorrah -> Saddam Hussein -> Barak Hussein Obama!

The Devil is openly mocking us! Usually in a God fearing nation he hides, but here he is out in the open! And it is all the fault of those evil progressives!

109 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:41:54am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

I think there’s a difference. Not so much the money involved, but the sleaziness of considering something like this an appropriate business outing. If you wanna go to sex clubs, go with your friends and spend your own money.

The RNC is right to tell the dude they won’t pay for this.

OK I can understand that.

I’ve never been to one myself. Never even been to a strip club. Not my scene. I always found them depressing in a strange way.

110 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:42:00am

re: #100 Obdicut

Okay. So who are you aiming it at, then? I really don’t get what you’re saying.

People were fired? How many people were fired?

The person who made the reimbursement request after being told it wasn’t appropriate was fired. I suppose you could make the argument the accountant who approved it should be repremanded or disciplined too. If Steele was fully aware this was going on and approved it (something no one has ponied up evidence on yet) he should be called to account- but there is no evidence he approved anything like this and in fact the staffer was instructed not to do anything like this.

In proportion to the misuse of tax funds on the state and federal level I don’t get the relative outrage over this event. Salacious, amusing, disgusting and tinged with hypocricy for a volunteer in a “family values” organization: sure- but calling for the head of the RNC seems over the top.

111 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:42:29am

re: #96 Aceofwhat?

2k can be a lot or nothing, depending on what’s expected.

one VIP room
one bottle of Chrystal
one ,,, ummm,,, errrr

$2,000 for a place like that ,,,,, a few minutes ,

(umm,,, or so I’ve heard!!!!!)

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:42:51am

re: #76 Cineaste

These things wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t spend so much time running around judging everyone else’s lifestyles and morality.

Yeah, I’m looking at you Santorum.

No, I still don’t think this is a suitable destination for a business outing. Regardless of whether you’re a sex-positive progressive or a buttoned-up so-con.

113 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:43:28am

re: #104 Dreggas

O/T but:

Anti-gov’t militia asks for public defenders

I’m still waiting for the whole story on that one. Something took them from believing they were preparing for the “anti-christ and the end times” to preparing to kill local cops. I’d like to know more about it.

114 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:43:34am

re: #107 pingjockey

It should get their attention. One Trident boat can carry 240 re-entry vehicles.

Guess this means we better advance the doomsday clock ahead next time around.

/

115 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:43:42am

re: #109 Gus 802

OK I can understand that.

I’ve never been to one myself. Never even been to a strip club. Not my scene. I always found them depressing in a strange way.

You have to find the ones that have female dancers. Then you might enjoy it. :)
/

116 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:43:50am

re: #101 sattv4u2

Only after it broke and became a problem.

Hard to fire someone BEFORE the fact!

just sayin!

From a business perspective, the expense shouldn’t be reimbursed.

The only person who was fired was the guy who filed it. What about the two morons who approved it?

A 2k entertainment expense is something that would raise eyebrows at any company. It should certainly raise eyebrows at an organization that needs to file C&E reports publicly.

They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.

117 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:11am

re: #115 Mad Al-Jaffee

You have to find the ones that have female dancers. Then you might enjoy it. :)
/

[Whack!]

/

118 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:13am

re: #110 DaddyG

The person who made the reimbursement request after being told it wasn’t appropriate was fired. I suppose you could make the argument the accountant who approved it should be repremanded or disciplined too. If Steele was fully aware this was going on and approved it (something no one has ponied up evidence on yet) he should be called to account- but there is no evidence he approved anything like this and in fact the staffer was instructed not to do anything like this.

In proportion to the misuse of tax funds on the state and federal level I don’t get the relative outrage over this event. Salacious, amusing, disgusting and tinged with hypocricy for a volunteer in a “family values” organization: sure- but calling for the head of the RNC seems over the top.

I agree with everything you’ve said here. The hypocrisy is the interesting part of the story, but this really has no legs…

119 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:20am

re: #113 RogueOne

I’m still waiting for the whole story on that one. Something took them from believing they were preparing for the “anti-christ and the end times” to preparing to kill local cops. I’d like to know more about it.

Think globally, act locally.

/

120 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:24am

Possibly not entirely unforgivably off-topic:

Decades before Kinsey, Stanford professor Clelia Mosher polled Victorian-era women on their bedroom behavior—then kept the startling results under wraps.

Personally, I don’t see what’s so startling. The Victorians were discreet, not asexual. Sex just wasn’t so much the spectator sport it is today. If they were asexual, then how’d we all get here?

121 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:38am

re: #114 Gus 802
I wonder if it’s been forward since the Norks and the Iranian programs have come to light?

122 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:48am

re: #99 DaddyG

Is there any evidence that Steele knew the reimbursement was made prior to it hitting the press? I’m not a huge Steele fan but there is a lot to criticize him over that is far more serious than a low level volunteer misappropriating funds with a reimbursement over a party they were told not to expense.

I tend to agree with you here. Corporations have someone approving expenses. I’m assuming so does the RNC, except the Rubio quite recently had a similar issue. Well not strip clubs, least I don’t think! But spending the RNC money on personal expenses not related to campaigning.

I suspect the Young Repubs get an entertainment budget and whomever approved it just thought it was a bar or restaurant. I would also imagine that person is looking for a new job about now.

But it’s still a controversy regardless and doesn’t look good for the Republican yut (or is it “yute”).

123 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:44:50am

re: #110 DaddyG

So when you said ‘people’ were fired, you meant ‘a person’ was fired.

Salacious, amusing, disgusting and tinged with hypocricy for a volunteer in a “family values” organization: sure- but calling for the head of the RNC seems over the top.

Who is calling for Steele to resign here? To me, that call is coming from GOP members. Can you show me anyone calling for Steele’s head?

124 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:45:07am

re: #109 Gus 802

I always found them depressing in a strange way.

#1, curious,,, how can one “find something depressing” if you’ve never been to one

#2,, there is an entire range of strip clubs, from the depressing (and yes, I have been to one,,, well ,,, more than one) to the very upscale and fancy, to an entire range in the middle

125 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:45:10am

re: #106 ~Fianna

That’s why I’m curious as to how many people were there.

I’ve been out with 5 people, one of whom was an ExecVP, and dropped over $1k at Sushi Roku in Malibu alone.

$2k is only a lot in LA if you were expecting to spend $200, even with a small group.

IMHO, it’s the venue which merited the staffer’s termination. Accountants look at amounts, not venues, which is how it got one or two approvals before someone realized what they were signing for.

126 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:45:25am

re: #108 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

No we are trying to save you from the Devil!

Look how far this fine Christian nation, as was intended by the founding fathers, has fallen!

Almost half of all Americans believe the Darwinists. That is one half too many!

Almost half of all Americans believe that the abomination of gayness is something to be tolerated, to live and let live they say. Well look where that thinking got Soddom and Gemorrah!

And let’s look at the connections!

Soddom and Gemmorrah -> Saddam Hussein -> Barak Hussein Obama!

The Devil is openly mocking us! Usually in a God fearing nation he hides, but here he is out in the open! And it is all the fault of those evil progressives!

Youtube Video

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:45:28am

re: #107 pingjockey

It should get their attention. One Trident boat can carry 240 re-entry vehicles.

Yes, but would we actually use one on Iran if they lit off a nuke? With Obama, I’m not sure we would.

128 avanti  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:45:39am

re: #107 pingjockey

It should get their attention. One Trident boat can carry 240 re-entry vehicles.

Even though we don’t need to be that close to the target, launching with the Saudi’s permission sends a message about the lack of enthusiasm for Iran’s nuke program among its Arab neighbors. BTW, all the above applies only if the report is factual.

129 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:46:15am

The “Young Eagles” theme song:

Youtube Video

John Asscraft was the man who (d)raped the semi-nude statue of Justice while he was attorney general. Can’t have one boob distracting from another.

And here is their mascot.

No wonder some young Republicans are confused about sex.

130 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:46:20am

re: #124 sattv4u2

I always found them depressing in a strange way.

#1, curious,,, how can one “find something depressing” if you’ve never been to one

#2,, there is an entire range of strip clubs, from the depressing (and yes, I have been to one,,, well ,,, more than one) to the very upscale and fancy, to an entire range in the middle

Sorry, I’m not taking any questions.

/

131 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:46:22am

re: #122 marjoriemoon

I tend to agree with you here. Corporations have someone approving expenses. I’m assuming so does the RNC, except the Rubio quite recently had a similar issue. Well not strip clubs, least I don’t think! But spending the RNC money on personal expenses not related to campaigning.

I suspect the Young Repubs get an entertainment budget and whomever approved it just thought it was a bar or restaurant. I would also imagine that person is looking for a new job about now.

But it’s still a controversy regardless and doesn’t look good for the Republican yut (or is it “yute”).

I’m sorry, they didn’t approve it, but the last paragraph still stands.

132 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:46:26am

re: #120 The Sanity Inspector

Possibly not entirely unforgivably off-topic:

Decades before Kinsey, Stanford professor Clelia Mosher polled Victorian-era women on their bedroom behavior—then kept the startling results under wraps.

Personally, I don’t see what’s so startling. The Victorians were discreet, not asexual. Sex just wasn’t so much the spectator sport it is today. If they were asexual, then how’d we all get here?

They are figments of our imagination, put their by God. The universe is only 5 minutes old. All our “memories” and recorded history were put in place by God to trick us into thinking its older.

133 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:46:59am

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Youtube Video

Gogol Bordello - Think Locally, Fuck Globally

134 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:47:41am

re: #116 ~Fianna

From a business perspective, the expense shouldn’t be reimbursed.

The only person who was fired was the guy who filed it. What about the two morons who approved it?

A 2k entertainment expense is something that would raise eyebrows at any company. It should certainly raise eyebrows at an organization that needs to file C&E reports publicly.

They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.


Agreed that whoever approved it should be in trouble too. These large bills for entertainment are common among the lobbyists and government officials. Not us poor working bureaucrats mind you we can’t accept any meals or even a door prize over $12 in our state… but the legislators and lobbyists love their perks and manage to exempt themselves from the rules. This is truly a bi-partisan cookie jar. A few thousand here and there is nothing to the power brokers. There is an entire industry providing expensive lunches and services to politicians in Washington. I don’t like it and I’m kind of happy the RNC got caught but I also think it is even a worse problem when the power brokers use this stuff on the legislators and representatives who we send tax dollars to.

135 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:47:41am
136 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:47:42am

re: #128 avanti
Well it’s from the AP and in the WaPo.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:47:56am

re: #116 ~Fianna


They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.

I mean, if you’re going to donate money to the RNC and have it wasted on overpriced drinks, there should at least be real sex acts going on.

//

138 keloyd  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:16am

I bet Churchill would like these guys who have “all the vices I admire and none of the virtues I dislike.”

Also, BREAKING NEWS - The ‘trololo’ guy, the Russian who sings that song with no words, is still alive and gave an interview (with subtitles.)

139 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #120 The Sanity Inspector

Possibly not entirely unforgivably off-topic:

Decades before Kinsey, Stanford professor Clelia Mosher polled Victorian-era women on their bedroom behavior—then kept the startling results under wraps.

Personally, I don’t see what’s so startling. The Victorians were discreet, not asexual. Sex just wasn’t so much the spectator sport it is today. If they were asexual, then how’d we all get here?

Actually, it was. There was a thriving trade in sex in Victorian London.

140 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:32am

re: #121 pingjockey

I wonder if it’s been forward since the Norks and the Iranian programs have come to light?

The last moved it back by one minute.

“Doomsday Clock” moves one minute away from midnight
14 January 2010

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Adjusts Clock From 5 to 6 Minutes Before Midnight; Encouraging Progress Seen Around Globe in Both Key Threat Areas: Nuclear Weapons and Climate Change.

NEW YORK CITY///January 14, 2010///Citing a more “hopeful state of world affairs” in relation to the twin threats posed by nuclear weapons and climate change, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (BAS) is moving the minute hand of its famous Doomsday Clock one minute away from midnight. It is now 6 minutes to midnight. The decision by the BAS Science and Security Board was made in consultation with the Bulletin’s Board of Sponsors, which includes 19 Nobel Laureates.

141 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:38am

re: #124 sattv4u2

I always found them depressing in a strange way.

#1, curious,,, how can one “find something depressing” if you’ve never been to one

#2,, there is an entire range of strip clubs, from the depressing (and yes, I have been to one,,, well ,,, more than one) to the very upscale and fancy, to an entire range in the middle

They reek of loneliness. The thought of them does, I mean…

142 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:40am

re: #120 The Sanity Inspector

Possibly not entirely unforgivably off-topic:

Decades before Kinsey, Stanford professor Clelia Mosher polled Victorian-era women on their bedroom behavior—then kept the startling results under wraps.

Sexy Victorians- wrrrawr! /

Personally, I don’t see what’s so startling. The Victorians were discreet, not asexual. Sex just wasn’t so much the spectator sport it is today. If they were asexual, then how’d we all get here?

143 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:47am

Jon Stewart was fairly restrained:

(Perhaps unsafe for work, certainly too funny for work)

tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

144 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:48:52am

re: #116 ~Fianna

From a business perspective, the expense shouldn’t be reimbursed.
I agree 100%

The only person who was fired was the guy who filed it. What about the two morons who approved it?

ONLY if they knew what the club was. For all you know, they may not be from the area, may not know the name of the club and just figured it was a regualr nightclub

A 2k entertainment expense is something that would raise eyebrows at any company. It should certainly raise eyebrows at an organization that needs to file C&E reports publicly.

Again, not really. I’ve gone out to dinner when the director of our division is in town. 10 people, drinks and dinner get to 2K pretty fast

They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.

And that person has paid the price (his job)

145 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:49:26am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon
Gawd, I don’t know. We used to have them on my tin can back in the Cold war days. Hated the damn things. Still do. No precision strikes with a nuke. A trident II missle has a CEP of less than 50 yards. But, it’s still a nuke.

146 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:49:29am

re: #133 Obdicut

[Video]

Gogol Bordello - Think Locally, Fuck Globally

Thats what the Roppongi district in Tokyo was for.

Ah, memories.

147 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:49:36am

re: #125 Aceofwhat?

gmta (144)

148 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:49:59am

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They are figments of our imagination, put their by God. The universe is only 5 minutes old. All our “memories” and recorded history were put in place by God to trick us into thinking its older.

Actually the Cosmos is only one year old. Cosmic Calender

149 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:50:02am

re: #125 Aceofwhat?

I’ve been out with 5 people, one of whom was an ExecVP, and dropped over $1k at Sushi Roku in Malibu alone.

$2k is only a lot in LA if you were expecting to spend $200, even with a small group.

IMHO, it’s the venue which merited the staffer’s termination. Accountants look at amounts, not venues, which is how it got one or two approvals before someone realized what they were signing for.

I worked for a company that went from 50 employees to 5000 in 3 years. I joined up the 2nd year when the VP team all made 6 figure bonuses. My VP took us out for drinks in Charlotte, NC., got drunk and tired and left us in a bar with his credit card. We rang up a $4k bar tab. It was a blast, we were buying drinks for the crowd, having a rowdy time. My VP didn’t think it was funny the next morning but he got over it pretty quickly.

150 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:50:09am

re: #140 Gus 802
Ya beat me to it. I was going to go look.

151 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:51:29am

re: #104 Dreggas

O/T but:

Anti-gov’t militia asks for public defenders

Socialism!

152 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:51:35am

re: #149 RogueOne

I worked for a company that went from 50 employees to 5000 in 3 years. I joined up the 2nd year when the VP team all made 6 figure bonuses. My VP took us out for drinks in Charlotte, NC., got drunk and tired and left us in a bar with his credit card. We rang up a $4k bar tab. It was a blast, we were buying drinks for the crowd, having a rowdy time. My VP didn’t think it was funny the next morning but he got over it pretty quickly.

yep. anyone here who can’t understand how this made it halfway through the approval list has no idea how this works in real life.

153 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:51:44am

re: #148 badger1970

Actually the Cosmos is only one year old. Cosmic Calender

That just what God wants you to think.

154 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:51:47am

re: #116 ~Fianna

From a business perspective, the expense shouldn’t be reimbursed.
I agree 100%

The only person who was fired was the guy who filed it. What about the two morons who approved it?

ONLY if they knew what the club was. For all you know, they may not be from the area, may not know the name of the club and just figured it was a regualr nightclub

A 2k entertainment expense is something that would raise eyebrows at any company. It should certainly raise eyebrows at an organization that needs to file C&E reports publicly.

Again, not really. I’ve gone out to dinner when the director of our division is in town. 10 people, drinks and dinner get to 2K pretty fast

They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.

And he lost his job over it

155 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:52:31am

re: #83 Dreggas

But they see it as their job to do that. They honestly believe that their mission is to impose their morals and values on everyone else. Yet any time someone raises a complaint they claim persecution.

The republican party made a deal with the devil when it joined with the religious right and now they are reaping what they sewed.

What did the “sew”? Costumes?

156 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:52:52am

re: #134 DaddyG

Agreed that whoever approved it should be in trouble too.

Why? Because they didn’t realize that “Voyeur” wasn’t just another nightclub?

Come on.

157 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:52:53am

re: #104 Dreggas

O/T but:

Anti-gov’t militia asks for public defenders

Missed that. Ha! That was bound to happen.

158 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:53:10am

re: #134 DaddyG

Agreed that whoever approved it should be in trouble too. These large bills for entertainment are common among the lobbyists and government officials. Not us poor working bureaucrats mind you we can’t accept any meals or even a door prize over $12 in our state… but the legislators and lobbyists love their perks and manage to exempt themselves from the rules. This is truly a bi-partisan cookie jar. A few thousand here and there is nothing to the power brokers. There is an entire industry providing expensive lunches and services to politicians in Washington. I don’t like it and I’m kind of happy the RNC got caught but I also think it is even a worse problem when the power brokers use this stuff on the legislators and representatives who we send tax dollars to.

Absolutely agree 100%.

Overall, this is a flash in the pan story and doesn’t have any serious legs… but it’s pissed off the base which is going to hurt the party and help the wingnut faction. That’s not good for anyone in the long run.

159 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:54:29am

re: #155 Cato the Elder

What did the “sew”? Costumes?

Skitt’s Law.

160 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:54:30am

re: #126 ~Fianna

[Video]

Satan’s music is strong. That caused my feet to tap. How dare you! I rebuke you!

161 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:55:06am

re: #154 sattv4u2

She, not he.

162 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:55:06am

re: #139 ~Fianna

Actually, it was. There was a thriving trade in sex in Victorian London.

And in Chicago as well, though the Chicago trade was fairly brazen in places. Especially in the South side area known as “The Levee” which remained an openly Red Light District until 1912.

163 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:55:16am

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

Why? Because they didn’t realize that “Voyeur” wasn’t just another nightclub?

Come on.

Probably slid right on threw the process until someone like me noticed it was a sex club.

Every professional organization needs a resident perv.

164 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:55:49am

Just finished double checking my taxes after preparing them while drunk last night. Not bad.

165 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:55:51am

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Probably slid right on threw the process until someone like me noticed it was a sex club.

Every professional organization needs a resident perv.

Hilarious and true. What we should really be asking is who was the person who caught it???

166 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:55:57am

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Every professional organization needs a resident perv.

Wonder what that application process is like?

167 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:07am

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

Why? Because they didn’t realize that “Voyeur” wasn’t just another nightclub?

Come on.


No because they approved a reimbursement to a committee member for an expense that was previously denied to a staffer.

I worked for a corporate VP who used that trick. He made one of his staffers pay for a big meal with his corporate card (20 people $4000+) and approved the expense report when it came accross his desk. The accountants were never bright enough to figure that stunt out.

168 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:13am

re: #5 Kilroy01

“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
Ambrose Bierce

“Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue.”

169 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:14am

re: #154 sattv4u2

From a business perspective, the expense shouldn’t be reimbursed.
I agree 100%

The only person who was fired was the guy who filed it. What about the two morons who approved it?

ONLY if they knew what the club was. For all you know, they may not be from the area, may not know the name of the club and just figured it was a regualr nightclub

A 2k entertainment expense is something that would raise eyebrows at any company. It should certainly raise eyebrows at an organization that needs to file C&E reports publicly.

Again, not really. I’ve gone out to dinner when the director of our division is in town. 10 people, drinks and dinner get to 2K pretty fast

They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.

And he lost his job over it

Agreed. This story is embarrassing to the GOP, but the article is correct in noting it won’t do any real damage.

170 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:14am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Just finished double checking my taxes after preparing them while drunk last night. Not bad.

(insert Geithner joke here)

171 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:45am

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

Heh.

172 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:54am

re: #164 Killgore Trout
What? You didn’t send them in as is?

173 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:56:56am

“Vices and virtues are of a strange nature, for the more we have, the fewer we think we have.”
— attrib. Alexander Pope

174 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:57:15am

February 3, 2009

On winning the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele pledged to “bring this party to every corner, every boardroom, every neighborhood, every community.”

Including the lesbian bondage community.


mmm, lesbian bondage.

175 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:57:31am

re: #158 ~Fianna

Absolutely agree 100%.

Overall, this is a flash in the pan story and doesn’t have any serious legs… but it’s pissed off the base which is going to hurt the party and help the wingnut faction. That’s not good for anyone in the long run.

Unless it helps stir up the (non-wingnut) conservative wing of the party and gives them renewed traction. It could go the other way and cause the so-cons to purge those who don’t rubber stamp their platform.

176 tnguitarist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:57:59am

Does anyone else find it sad that they consider their “Young Eagles” to be anyone under 45 ?

177 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:58:30am

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

Why? Because they didn’t realize that “Voyeur” wasn’t just another nightclub?

Come on.

You can’t compare the RNC to an average company. They’re a ‘company’ that purports to have certain ethical stances, both on sexuality and the expenditure of money. This occasion is an example of a fuck-up on both those fronts.

I would be a lot happier with the RNC if they listened to the Young Eagles and the like as far as gay rights and sexuality in general go, since I have a feeling that those young republicans are a lot more liberal than their seniors.

Honestly, though, I don’t think we ‘liberals’ care much about the story except to laugh and shake our heads, I think it’s the Socon donors who are going to be pissed. I think this incident represents, in a small way, the divide in the party.

178 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:58:38am

Also that oingo boingo song made me think of a good drink, because alcohol is not a drug!

They mentioned Gin and Tonic.

Here is a variation of a Vesper.

2 parts vodka
1 part Tanqueray
1/2 part Amaretto
1/2 part Tonic

Stir over ice, serve straight up with a twist.

179 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:58:53am

re: #167 DaddyG

No because they approved a reimbursement to a committee member for an expense that was previously denied to a staffer.

I worked for a corporate VP who used that trick. He made one of his staffers pay for a big meal with his corporate card (20 people $4000+) and approved the expense report when it came accross his desk. The accountants were never bright enough to figure that stunt out.


her credit card was declined.
that’s a matter of personal embarrassment, not a sign that the financial overlords were prescient enough to send her an electronic message about her club of choice.

unless you know how much she was expected to spend that night, there is nothing to say about the fact that this made it partway up the approval chain.

180 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:59:01am

re: #161 Obdicut

She, not he.


Well color me sexist. I assumed the staffer was a guy based on his irresponsibility and perviness.

(God help me I’m becoming an old moderate)/

181 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:59:37am

Offtopic once again: Theater critic Terry Teachout describes the hate mail he gets:

I don’t go out of my way to read everything that gets written about me, but I do see a fair amount of it in the ordinary course of my working day, and it never fails to strike me that a considerable number of the people who write about the pieces that they read, whether by me or anyone else, haven’t actually read them. Or, to be exact, they read until they encounter a statement with which they disagree, at which precise moment they stop reading, boil over, and start clicking away at their keyboards with what they imagine to be annihilating fury.

It goes without saying that the opinions of such folk aren’t worth knowing. But I wonder: are most people like that? In other words, might it be normal for the average human being to be incapable of considering, however briefly, the possible validity, however partial, of opinions in any way contrary to his own? I hesitate to suggest such a dispiriting notion, but the older I grow, the more likely it seems.

182 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:59:39am

re: #176 tnguitarist

Does anyone else find it sad that they consider their “Young Eagles” to be anyone under 45 ?


Compared to Pat Roberston and most of congress 60 is young. /

183 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:59:44am

OT again.

Chechen rebel says he ordered Moscow Metro attacks

Chechen rebel leader Doku Umarov has said his group was behind Monday’s double suicide bombings on the Moscow Metro, which left 39 people dead…

184 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 10:59:59am

re: #176 tnguitarist

Does anyone else find it sad that they consider their “Young Eagles” to be anyone under 45 ?

At 45, the AARP starts sending out their literature.

185 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:00:00am

re: #166 RogueOne

Wonder what that application process is like?

Eh, I just filled out the standard application. I get 3-4 referrals a day from our watch when they find suspicious files or websearches.

“We found a bunch of files labelled Sasha Grey.”
“Porn.”
“We found a user searching for chickswithballs.net.”
“Its cool, its for Women’s basketball.
“HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?”

186 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:00:04am

re: #180 DaddyG

The guy who actually paid was male, the RNC staffer who attempted to pay at first was female.

The articles are making the claim that other RNC staffers were present for it, as well.

187 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:00:06am

re: #154 sattv4u2

From a business perspective, the expense shouldn’t be reimbursed.
I agree 100%

The only person who was fired was the guy who filed it. What about the two morons who approved it?

ONLY if they knew what the club was. For all you know, they may not be from the area, may not know the name of the club and just figured it was a regualr nightclub

A 2k entertainment expense is something that would raise eyebrows at any company. It should certainly raise eyebrows at an organization that needs to file C&E reports publicly.

Again, not really. I’ve gone out to dinner when the director of our division is in town. 10 people, drinks and dinner get to 2K pretty fast

They should have realized that this was going to become a story, and that this story was going to piss off a lot of the people who give them the money they’re wasting on overpriced drinks at the fake sex club.

And he lost his job over it

Dude, the name of the place is Voyeur. That shouldn’t have made it up the chain without someone taking a peek at what it was. The website makes it pretty clear, pretty quick.

The RNC is made of politicians. Perception is reality in politics. The guy who did this and the fools that approved just showed a stunning lack of judgment.

In the private sector, they’d probably also be fired for opening up the company to a sexual harassment suit. Any way you look at it, the RNC paying for a night at a sex-themed club is just terminally dumb.

188 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:00:12am

Via BoingBoing:

TeaBonics
flickr.com

189 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:00:34am

re: #177 Obdicut

that’s fine. there’s just nothing to the “those who approved it should be sacked” statement. maybe they should…maybe they shouldn’t…without knowing the policies and expectations, we really have no idea.

190 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:00:36am

re: #160 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Satan’s music is strong. That caused my feet to tap. How dare you! I rebuke you!

Rebuke me harder, baby!

191 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:02:05am

re: #190 ~Fianna

Rebuke me harder, baby!

Another of Satan’s love dolls eh… Perhaps you need a paddle!!

192 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:02:06am

re: #183 Gus 802

OT again.

Chechen rebel says he ordered Moscow Metro attacks

I hope the Russians put this scumbag either in a cell or in the ground.

193 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:02:17am

re: #187 ~Fianna

Dude, the name of the place is Voyeur. That shouldn’t have made it up the chain without someone taking a peek at what it was. The website makes it pretty clear, pretty quick.

The RNC is made of politicians. Perception is reality in politics. The guy who did this and the fools that approved just showed a stunning lack of judgment.

In the private sector, they’d probably also be fired for opening up the company to a sexual harassment suit. Any way you look at it, the RNC paying for a night at a sex-themed club is just terminally dumb.

Dude. Approvers are generally not sacked for not knowing the difference between a nightclub and a sex club. In the private sector, they would not be fired. You heard it from someone who has both approved and submitted expenses for approval.

194 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:02:45am

I have never really gotten into the whole “gentleman’s club” thing. If you can’t touch the girls, WTF is the point? As for bondage clubs, there is a zero percent chance I’d ever knowingly visit one. And I thought “Eyes Wide Shut” was a shitty film.

195 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:02:51am

re: #188 RogueOne

Via BoingBoing:

TeaBonics
[Link: www.flickr.com…]

Respect are-country, speak English.

Yep, it’s “are” country.

196 political lunatic  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:03:42am

Any clue where this puts the Republican Party Death Watch at, on a scale between “one run of the mill sex scandal” and “Whig Party”? I’m pretty sure Michael Steele just committed political suicide.

197 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:03:47am

re: #184 badger1970

At 45, the AARP starts sending out their literature.

They’re dropping that down. I’ve already started getting it and I’m turning 35 tomorrow.

198 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:04:02am

re: #189 Aceofwhat?

that’s fine. there’s just nothing to the “those who approved it should be sacked” statement. maybe they should…maybe they shouldn’t…without knowing the policies and expectations, we really have no idea.

It’s not my place to say ‘should’. I’ve never donated a dime to the RNC. It’s not my money. I can say, however, that if this happened at my company, that there’s be a hell of a lot of people fired over it. It’s also, as I said, I think something that marks a clear divide in the party— which is a kinder interpretation than one of hypocrisy.

199 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:04:04am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

I hope the Russians put this scumbag either in a cell or in the ground.

I’m sure the Russians will exercise the same even handed, restrained approach they always have.

/

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:04:05am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Anyone else suspect this is part on an internal RNC campaign to get rid of Steele?

I suspect it’s people being cheap.

A chain of responsibility failures.

1) Staffer A told not to do after event party and proceeds to anyways. His credit card is refused.
{Option: Do not do what you were told not to do. Or find a different venue within reasonable expenses and/or be willing to eat the expense personally.}

2) Staffer B ponies up his card and it is accepted.
{See option above.}

2) Staffer B asks RNC for reimbursement for an unapproved event.
{D’oh! Could have opted to just eat the bill.}

3) Supervisor of some sort approves the reimbursement. Since this is approved it will end up in the FEC filing.
{Apparently does not see the coming storm. Could have refused the reimbursement with the result that Staffer B gets stuck. Or… worked something out as a gentleman’s agreement and made the event not paid for by the RNC. However, there are rules in place to prevent “nod, nod, wink, wink” stuff like this in any case. But it wouldn’t be in the FEC filing.}

4) Media fodder hits the fan.

5) Staffer B thrown under bus.
{Note that Staffer B has now lost his job due to asking for, and getting, reimbursement. After multiple opportunities for someone to simply eat the bill for something the RNC should probably avoid getting involved with. Location aside, should the RNC be spending $2,000 (roughly) on staff parties?}

201 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:04:09am

re: #195 Gus 802
Those poor people, they need a dictionary and a thesarus. /

202 filetandrelease  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:04:12am

Reason number 34 to stay a Repulican

Our new anthem

Whip it! Whip it good!

203 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:04:32am
204 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:05:12am

re: #200 oaktree

I think it was Staffer A who lost her job, the guy who paid was a donor, not a staffer.

That’s what the reports appear to say.

205 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:05:49am

re: #202 filetandrelease

Reason number 34 to stay a Repulican

Our new anthem

Whip it! Whip it good!


“Leather: not just for San Fransisco liberals anymore.”

206 filetandrelease  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:05:51am

re: #194 _RememberTonyC

I have never really gotten into the whole “gentleman’s club” thing. If you can’t touch the girls, WTF is the point? As for bondage clubs, there is a zero percent chance I’d ever knowingly visit one. And I thought “Eyes Wide Shut” was a shitty film.

Apparenly you have never been to Tampa.

207 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:06:45am

Microwave lunch is over and I’m off to another meeting.

No one buys us poor bureaucrats lunch - not even at the Denny’s. /

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:07:13am

re: #165 Aceofwhat?

Hilarious and true. What we should really be asking is who was the person who caught it???

Tucker Carlson, Republican blogger.
dailycaller.com

209 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:07:19am

re: #198 Obdicut

It’s not my place to say ‘should’. I’ve never donated a dime to the RNC. It’s not my money. I can say, however, that if this happened at my company, that there’s be a hell of a lot of people fired over it. It’s also, as I said, I think something that marks a clear divide in the party— which is a kinder interpretation than one of hypocrisy.

that’s fine. strange, but fine.

at my company, someone has been fired for submitting a reimbursement without being clear about the nature of the venue. approvals are for dollar amounts. you don’t hit teh intertoob every time a receipt comes across your desk to make sure the venue wasn’t X or Y…you put a receipt on my desk for a signature and there were boobs in plain sight, you’d better damn well tell me about it because i’m not going to check…

210 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:07:22am

re: #193 Aceofwhat?

Dude. Approvers are generally not sacked for not knowing the difference between a nightclub and a sex club. In the private sector, they would not be fired. You heard it from someone who has both approved and submitted expenses for approval.

I wish I’ve worked where you have.

Every place I’ve ever worked has had specific policies about types of expenses, and strip-clubs and other adult oriented spots were off limits. No company wants the liability issue.

It would be really, really easy for this to turn in to a sexual harassment lawsuit.

211 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:07:23am

re: #197 ~Fianna

They’re dropping that down. I’ve already started getting it and I’m turning 35 tomorrow.

Tough day to have a birthday. And Happy Early B-day.

212 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:07:57am

re: #167 DaddyG

No because they approved a reimbursement to a committee member for an expense that was previously denied to a staffer.

I worked for a corporate VP who used that trick. He made one of his staffers pay for a big meal with his corporate card (20 people $4000+) and approved the expense report when it came accross his desk. The accountants were never bright enough to figure that stunt out.

Ok, well if he approved the expense, then it makes more sense. I was getting confused.

Initially, the card was declined, but that could have been that the bill wasn’t paid, the card was expired, etc. We don’t know why. Did the RNC know what the club was at that point? I don’t know. However, I couldn’t figure why the guy, Brown, wasn’t fired for putting the expense through. If Meyers approved it, then I would think they’d both get sacked.

It’s a huge embarrassment, of course, and that these guys aren’t being managed properly.

213 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:08:06am

re: #178 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Also that oingo boingo song made me think of a good drink, because alcohol is not a drug!

They mentioned Gin and Tonic.

Here is a variation of a Vesper.

2 parts vodka
1 part Tanqueray
1/2 part Amaretto
1/2 part Tonic

Stir over ice, serve straight up with a twist.

The true Vesper is somewhat different.

James Bond: “Just a moment. Three measures of Gordon’s, one of vodka, half a measure of Kina Lillet. Shake it very well until it’s ice-cold, then add a large thin slice of lemon peel. Got it?”

“Certainly, monsieur.” The barman seemed pleased with the idea.

“Gosh, that’s certainly a drink,” said Leiter.

Bond laughed. “When I’m…er…concentrating,” he explained, “I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold and very well-made. I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad. This drink’s my own invention. I’m going to patent it when I can think of a good name.”

Contemporary versions

Since both Kina Lillet and Gordon’s have been reformulated since 1953, substitutes can be made that attempt to recapture the original flavour of the drink:

* To recreate the original bitter flavour of Kina Lillet, add a dash or two of Orange bitters, Angostura bitters or a pinch (1/16 of a teaspoon) of Quinine powder.
* For a more traditional flavour, use 100-proof Stolichnaya Vodka to bring the alcohol content of the Vodka back to 1953 levels.
* Likewise, Tanqueray Gin provides the traditional flavour of 94-proof gin; whereas Gordon’s Gin was reformulated to less than 80-proof.
* A modern cocktail glass, which is larger today than was common in 1953, is often substituted for the deep Champagne goblet (see Champagne stemware for the original look of the drink)

Variations

* Lillet Blanc (also known as Lillet Blonde), which has a lightly floral citrus flavor, is a typical replacement for Kina Lillet.
* Amber Vermouth (e.g. Noilly Prat Ambre) or Dubonnet Blonde may be used as an expedient in the place of Lillet Blanc if it is unavailable.
* Some prefer to substitute Boodles British Gin, as it is named for Boodle’s gentlemen’s club, of which Ian Fleming was a member.
* A “Green Vesper” substitutes absinthe for the Kina Lillet. Lime peel may be substituted for lemon.
* A “Matin” substitutes the Italian aperitif Campari for the Kina Lillet, and reverses the proportions of gin and vodka.

Esquire printed the following update of the recipe in 2006:

“Shake (if you must) with plenty of cracked ice. [Mix] 3 oz Tanqueray gin, 1 oz 100-proof Stolichnaya vodka, 1/2 oz Lillet Blanc, 1/8 teaspoon (or less) quinine powder or, in desperation, 2 dashes of bitters. Strain into a chilled cocktail glass and twist a large swatch of thin-cut lemon peel over the top.”

I’m something of an expert on this drink. The local bar does an excellent rendition.

214 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:08:50am

re: #203 Mad Al-Jaffee
Heh. I was in San Diego, early 90s and one of the rock radio DJs said the space shuttle was going to make an emergency landing at Montgomery Field. I’m in my truck and saying WTF? That airstrip is maybe 5k feet long, and after being at Cape Canaveral I knew that wasn’t right. Then I remember it’s April 1. Dude almost lost his job. The CHP, San Diego Co. Sherrif and SDPD had to go out for traffic control! A whole bunch of folks showed up to see the shuttle land.

215 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:09:50am

re: #210 ~Fianna

I wish I’ve worked where you have.

Every place I’ve ever worked has had specific policies about types of expenses, and strip-clubs and other adult oriented spots were off limits. No company wants the liability issue.

It would be really, really easy for this to turn in to a sexual harassment lawsuit.

Sure. Mine did too. And when i approved things, i verified dollar amounts; i didn’t run around researching every receipt to see if it was a bar or a strip bar. That’s not the approver’s job at most places.

The point is to put people in charge of junkets who aren’t going to make this decision in the first place. I’d be more concerned about the people who hired her than the people who signed her reimbursement request…

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:09:57am

re: #204 Obdicut

I think it was Staffer A who lost her job, the guy who paid was a donor, not a staffer.

That’s what the reports appear to say.

I stand corrected. I think my general premise that there were multiple failures in the event chain stands in any case.

217 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:10:22am

re: #211 badger1970

Tough day to have a birthday. And Happy Early B-day.

Thanks. And yes, it was awful when I was a kid.

Even now, when people see my driver’s license when I’m buying something, they usually snicker and make a comment.

Thanks for the b-day wishes. :)

218 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:10:49am

re: #214 pingjockey

I’m supposed to go to a funeral tomorrow. I can think of a dozen ways to have april fools fun that might get me kicked out of the family.

219 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:11:15am

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I’m something of an expert on this drink. The local bar does an excellent rendition.

It is an excellent drink. However, I like the jolt of tonic to overcome the reformulation of the Kina Lillet.

Further, if I am adding tonic anyway, I prefer the flover of almod to the brandy flavor of the Kina Lillet.

I suppose that if you added a dash of quinine powder directly to the mix of an original Vesper, it would be something more to my taste, but I don’t know any bars that have that on hand. I also, frankly don’t like trying to substitute bitters.

220 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:11:32am

re: #218 RogueOne
Yah. Not a good idea, override those hilarity urges.

221 Slap  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:11:36am

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

Ace, and Ice:

While I agree on the characterization of Hershey’s, just thought I’d point out that there are a few companies I know of here who make extraordinary chocolates. (DISCLAIMER: poster is not responsible for any health, dental or weight-related consequences of consumption of items from the below-linked companies; however, poster feels no shame in taking credit should your taste buds wish to thank him.)

Dagoba Chocolates
Endangered Species Chocolates
Chocolove
Newman’s Own
Scharffen Berger

Just a few….

222 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:12:03am

re: #221 Slap

thanks, i’ll check those out!

223 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:12:14am

There’s an unconfirmed blog statement that the fired staffer has emails authorizing reimbursement to the donor. Will recheck.

224 Mark Pennington  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:12:38am

It’s been months since there’s been a GOP member caught doing something against “family values”. I say it’s about time.

225 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:12:40am

OT

Environmentalists react to Obama’s offshore oil drilling announcement:

Michael Brune, the Executive Director of the Sierra Club, released the following statement:

“We’re very disappointed to see important areas like the Arctic coast and the Mid and South Atlantic stay open to oil drilling.

“What we need is bold, decisive steps towards clean energy, like the new clean cars regulations announced this week—not more dirty, expensive offshore drilling.

“The oil industry already has access to drilling on millions of acres of America’s public lands and water. We don’t need to hand over our last protected pristine coastal areas just so oil companies can break more profit records.”

The Executive Director of Greenpeace, Phil Radford, is equally critical of the move.

“Is this President Obama’s clean energy plan or Palin’s drill baby drill campaign? While China and Germany are winning the clean energy race, this act furthers America’s addiction to oil. Expanding offshore drilling in areas that have been protected for decades threatens our oceans and the coastal communities that depend on them with devastating oil spills, more pollution and climate change.”

226 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:14:15am

re: #214 pingjockey

NAS Miramar I might have fallen for - but Montgomery landing from the south reminded me of landing at Hong Kong back in the 60s - final approach and you were looking up into the windows of the apartment high rises while you white knuckled it the rest of the way.

227 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:14:51am

re: #220 pingjockey

Yah. Not a good idea, override those hilarity urges.

but how many chances do you get to go to a funeral on April 1? The last funeral I went to they had a guy playing “my old kentucky home” on a harmonica. I had my head bowed trying my hardest not to laugh out loud and the people around me thought I was crying. Some old lady patted me on my back and told me it was going to be alright.

228 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:15:18am

re: #226 Bobibutu
Been to Hong Kong, the airport approach looked hairy to say the least. Did not fly in, was aboard ship.

229 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:15:48am

New David Byrne with Fatboy Slim. “Here Lies Love”:npr.org

230 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:15:50am

re: #1 Jeff In Ohio

re: #2 RogueOne

re: #4 Jeff In Ohio

That’s what I get for having a look over here during work. Trying my damnedest to not laugh out loud in my office about Walton S&M jokes. OMG I’m almost crying over this.

231 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:15:53am

re: #227 RogueOne

but how many chances do you get to go to a funeral on April 1? The last funeral I went to they had a guy playing “my old kentucky home” on a harmonica. I had my head bowed trying my hardest not to laugh out loud and the people around me thought I was crying. Some old lady patted me on my back and told me it was going to be alright.

that made me laugh. i’m not a good person inside…

232 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:16:04am

re: #227 RogueOne
I see your point. The urge to pull something would be terrible!

233 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:16:40am

re: #231 Aceofwhat?

that made me laugh. i’m not a good person inside…

The only thing missing from the funeral was the dead guys pet goat.

234 badger1970  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:16:47am

re: #226 Bobibutu

I was watching a Stephen Chow film and in a background a 747 looked like it was flying at ground level. It got my attention.

235 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:16:56am

BBIAB, gonna get a sandwich.

236 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:17:01am

HUGE FRICKIN CAJONES:

Brave Saudi housewife set to win Arabic X Factor after blistering attack on hardline Muslim clerics on live TV

A brave Saudi housewife has reached the final of the Arabic version of the X Factor after lashing out at hardline Muslim clerics on live TV.

Wearing a black burkha, mother-of-four Hissa Hilal delivered a blistering poem against Muslim preachers ‘who sit in the position of power’ but are ‘frightening’ people with their fatwas, or religious edicts, and ‘preying like a wolf’ on those seeking peace.

Her poem got loud cheers from the audience last week and won her a place in the competition’s final on April 7.

It also brought her death threats, posted on several Islamic militant websites.

The programme, ‘The Million’s Poet’, is a chance for poets to show off their original work and is broadcast live every week on satellite television across the Arab world from Abu Dhabi.

Contestants are graded on voice and style of recitation, but also on their subject matter, said Sultan al-Amimi, one of the three judges on the show and a manager of Abu Dhabi’s Poetry Academy.

Over the past episodes, poets sitting on an elaborate stage before a live audience have recited odes to the beauty of Bedouin life and the glories of their rulers or mourning the gap between rich and poor.

Hilal is the first to launch a political attack - a brave move by a Saudi woman.

237 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:17:06am

re: #225 Gus 802

OT

Environmentalists react to Obama’s offshore oil drilling announcement:

Proper response from Obama: “I’m taking measure that will add jobs, grow our economy, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. You Greens can go soak your heads.”

238 Mark Pennington  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:17:39am

I always love how in these sorts of scandals, the person always says they’ll repay the money, as if it’s something they had intended to do along, but just hadn’t got around to doing yet when the expenses were uncovered.

239 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:17:42am

re: #227 RogueOne

Be careful about what you say about harmonica players.

240 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:18:00am

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
NOW was unavailable for comment.

241 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:18:09am

re: #228 pingjockey

Been to Hong Kong, the airport approach looked hairy to say the least. Did not fly in, was aboard ship.

The runway was finally extended into the bay (land fill). When the wind was blowing it was really wild. Surprising there was never an accident taking out a high rise.

When were you there?

242 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:19:13am

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HUGE FRICKIN CAJONES:

Brave Saudi housewife set to win Arabic X Factor after blistering attack on hardline Muslim clerics on live TV

i don’t know if she’ll survive doing that, but I’ve got to commend her. Note to political posers on both sides of the aisle: This is what “speaking truth to power” actually looks like!

243 ~Fianna  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:20:14am

re: #215 Aceofwhat?

Sure. Mine did too. And when i approved things, i verified dollar amounts; i didn’t run around researching every receipt to see if it was a bar or a strip bar. That’s not the approver’s job at most places.

The point is to put people in charge of junkets who aren’t going to make this decision in the first place. I’d be more concerned about the people who hired her than the people who signed her reimbursement request…

True… but if something comes across your desk that’s labeled “Voyeur”, you aren’t going to take a peek?

Being a common sense person, I wouldn’t even risk filing the expense.

The story is vague on what the original card was… I wonder if the card that was declined was her personal card, and when that didn’t work, the RNC member paid and then requested reimbursement.

All in all, this was just a really foolish thing to do.

244 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:20:30am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Proper response from Obama: “I’m taking measure that will add jobs, grow our economy, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. You Greens can go soak your heads.”

Yep. In my estimation this will result in a great deal of ideological spasms. From The Guardian:

Maryland’s Democratic Senator Ben Cardin, a supporter of Obama’s climate agenda, said: “We know spills happen with offshore drilling. It happens even with the most responsible drilling.” Greenpeace saw the announcement as a betrayal of Obama’s campaign promise, with director Phil Radford saying: “This act furthers America’s addiction to oil.” Oceana called it a “wholesale assault” on the seas.

Brendan Cummings, senior counsel at the Centre for Biological Diversity, said: “Today’s announcement is unfortunately all too typical of what we have seen so far from President Obama – promises of change, a year of ‘deliberation,’ and ultimately, adoption of flawed and outdated Bush policies as his own.”

245 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:21:17am

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

i don’t know if she’ll survive doing that, but I’ve got to commend her. Note to political posers on both sides of the aisle: This is what “speaking truth to power” actually looks like!

She’ll probably end up like this guy:

Saudi Arabian who boasted about his sex life and picking up women in TV interview could face public flogging

dailymail.co.uk

246 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:21:25am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Proper response from Obama: “I’m taking measure that will add jobs, grow our economy, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. You Greens can go soak your heads.”


Breaking Character.

Proper response from NASA to Obama if he said that:

Yeah great, rather than developing alternative energy sources, you are investing capital in more emissions - and once that capital is invested, you will hurt the economy even more if we try to switch energy production and thus make it harder to prevent the effects of warming. Way to be a total coward under political pressure there CinC.

247 Mark Pennington  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:21:26am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Proper response from Obama: “I’m taking measure that will add jobs, grow our economy, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. You Greens can go soak your heads.”

The man just can’t win. He’s taking shit from the left and the right is saying it’s not enough and IT’S A TRICK! DON’T FALL FOR IT!

248 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:21:38am

Good Afternoon to the Lizard King(dom).

I’ve taken a break from painting to work on my sprinkler system, plant some new shrubs, lay down mulch etc. Laying down fertilizer in a little while to water it all in.

Anyway, I know everyone is very interested in what I am up to as I prep my house for renting and move back up to the sausage factory (DC).
//

249 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:22:48am

re: #243 ~Fianna

True… but if something comes across your desk that’s labeled “Voyeur”, you aren’t going to take a peek?

Being a common sense person, I wouldn’t even risk filing the expense.

The story is vague on what the original card was… I wonder if the card that was declined was her personal card, and when that didn’t work, the RNC member paid and then requested reimbursement.

All in all, this was just a really foolish thing to do.

If i knew it was a nightclub in LA? I might not…i’m sure there are a dozen with similar names but without the simulated oral sex acts.

It was a terribly foolish thing to do…and of course you wouldn’t ever file an expense like this - you’re not a terribly foolish person!

250 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:23:09am

re: #215 Aceofwhat?

Sure. Mine did too. And when i approved things, i verified dollar amounts; i didn’t run around researching every receipt to see if it was a bar or a strip bar. That’s not the approver’s job at most places.

The point is to put people in charge of junkets who aren’t going to make this decision in the first place. I’d be more concerned about the people who hired her than the people who signed her reimbursement request…

My bosses in their wildest of voyeur dreams, would never, ever think to put such an expense through. Hell, some of them don’t even claim their meals!

We have to include the name, address, reason for expense and what the expense was used for. “Entertainment” is sufficient on our form. I’ve never used it in 10 years. Of course, I work for a private company and don’t charge their clients for such things.

Brown, the one whose card they used, was not working in the RNC. He was a campaign donor, but told he would be reimbursed by the RNC. We know he was told, somehow, someway because the expense was approved by Meyers.

251 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:23:11am

re: #241 Bobibutu
1980 and 1981

252 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:23:19am

BBL

253 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:24:02am

re: #214 pingjockey

Heh. I was in San Diego, early 90s and one of the rock radio DJs said the space shuttle was going to make an emergency landing at Montgomery Field. I’m in my truck and saying WTF? That airstrip is maybe 5k feet long, and after being at Cape Canaveral I knew that wasn’t right. Then I remember it’s April 1. Dude almost lost his job. The CHP, San Diego Co. Sherrif and SDPD had to go out for traffic control! A whole bunch of folks showed up to see the shuttle land.

That was Dave Rickards of Dave, Shelly, and Chainsaw, the 101.5 KGB FM morning show. They were known at the time as The Dawn Patrol. They were my favorite morning show, right up until they were fired by Clear Channel, which has been ditching their high priced talent, during their Christmas vacation at the end of last year. Tomorrow would have been the 20th anniversary of the show which debuted on Apr. 1, 1990.

Here is his Facebook page.

254 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:24:13am

re: #246 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Breaking Character.

Proper response from NASA to Obama if he said that:

Yeah great, rather than developing alternative energy sources, you are investing capital in more emissions - and once that capital is invested, you will hurt the economy even more if we try to switch energy production and thus make it harder to prevent the effects of warming. Way to be a total coward under political pressure there CinC.

right. it’s a binary decision. if only we knew how to drill and develop alternative energy at the same time.

eyeroll…

255 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:24:31am

re: #246 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Breaking Character.

Proper response from NASA to Obama if he said that:

Yeah great, rather than developing alternative energy sources, you are investing capital in more emissions - and once that capital is invested, you will hurt the economy even more if we try to switch energy production and thus make it harder to prevent the effects of warming. Way to be a total coward under political pressure there CinC.

Oil drilled here causes less CO2 emissions than shipping it from the Arabian Gulf.

I’m all about alternative energy sources, but we are stupid to pay for oil from the Saudis with a large supply off our coasts.

256 webevintage  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:24:59am

re: #247 beekiller

The man just can’t win. He’s taking shit from the left and the right is saying it’s not enough and IT’S A TRICK! DON’T FALL FOR IT!

I always figure if you are pissing off both sides then you are probably doing something right.

257 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:25:08am

re: #253 CyanSnowHawk
Many thanks. That brings back memories!

258 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:26:16am

re: #209 Aceofwhat?

It’s not strange. We’re a children’s educational toy company. Appearances are important.

OT: If anyone has experience setting up a (very) small business in NYC, I’d love some advice.

259 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:26:21am

re: #250 marjoriemoon

My bosses in their wildest of voyeur dreams, would never, ever think to put such an expense through. Hell, some of them don’t even claim their meals!

We have to include the name, address, reason for expense and what the expense was used for. “Entertainment” is sufficient on our form. I’ve never used it in 10 years. Of course, I work for a private company and don’t charge their clients for such things.

Brown, the one whose card they used, was not working in the RNC. He was a campaign donor, but told he would be reimbursed by the RNC. We know he was told, somehow, someway because the expense was approved by Meyers.

Not only that, i wouldn’t even go there off-hours with employees…like Fianna said, it’s a lawsuit trap. We’re all too smart to submit something like that…but it’s really really easy on the APPROVAL side to get caught up in verifying numbers and not pay close attention to the venue. That’s all i’m saying.

Meyers deserved to be canned, immediately. No question about that.

260 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:27:08am

re: #255 rwdflynavy

Oil drilled here causes less CO2 emissions than shipping it from the Arabian Gulf.

I’m all about alternative energy sources, but we are stupid to pay for oil from the Saudis with a large supply off our coasts.

Tomorrow he’s announcing stricter CAFE (mileage) standards. I agree, getting the oil closer to home reduces emissions since it requires less burning of bunker oil for shipping. It also reduces the military requirements in the Gulf region which also would reduce emissions. In the long term of course.

261 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:27:48am

re: #258 Obdicut

It’s not strange. We’re a children’s educational toy company. Appearances are important.

OT: If anyone has experience setting up a (very) small business in NYC, I’d love some advice.

good point.

and…yikes. the taxes…oh, the taxes…

262 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:28:35am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Proper response from Obama: “I’m taking measure that will add jobs, grow our economy, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. You Greens can go soak your heads.”

That sound vaguely like Darth Vader telling Lando Calrissian “I have altered the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”

263 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:29:42am

re: #246 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
We are working on alternative energy. When we get batteries for semi trucks, trains, pickup trucks, that will do the job diesel does great. We don’t have a power supply yet small enough yet with the horsepower to do what internal combustion does. Out here in eastern WA a windmill farm was shut down(plans for it) cause of eco concerns…birds, ruins the view etc..

264 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:29:45am

re: #254 Aceofwhat?

re: #255 rwdflynavy
Breaking Character again.

Or for a fraction of the cost of the drilling and environmental impact, you could build a nuclear reactor or a wind farm - and still get off of Saudi dependence.

The argument about not shipping it from Saudi - as opposed to Alaska, which is of course just next door to the continental US is stupid. Yes perhaps that is partially true. But, it is certain that the oil tankers burn vastly less fuel then the amount of fuel they ship. You are talking a fraction of a percent improvement, that ends up with the US increasing emissions further in the long run as we burn all that oil we drilled.

265 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:30:48am

re: #264 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

re: #255 rwdflynavy
Breaking Character again.

Or for a fraction of the cost of the drilling and environmental impact, you could build a nuclear reactor or a wind farm - and still get off of Saudi dependence.

The argument about not shipping it from Saudi - as opposed to Alaska, which is of course just next door to the continental US is stupid. Yes perhaps that is partially true. But, it is certain that the oil tankers burn vastly less fuel then the amount of fuel they ship. You are talking a fraction of a percent improvement, that ends up with the US increasing emissions further in the long run as we burn all that oil we drilled.

How would we be burning more if tomorrow he’s announcing stricter fuel economy standards?

266 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:30:52am

re: #264 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
We haven’t built a nuc reactor for years because of the eco movement.

267 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:30:57am

re: #263 pingjockey

Out here in eastern WA a windmill farm was shut down(plans for it) cause of eco concerns…birds, ruins the view etc..

that sentence boggles the mind. wind power…canceled for eco concerns.

we’re doomed.

268 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:32:19am

re: #264 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

re: #255 rwdflynavy
Breaking Character again.

Or for a fraction of the cost of the drilling and environmental impact, you could build a nuclear reactor or a wind farm - and still get off of Saudi dependence.

The argument about not shipping it from Saudi - as opposed to Alaska, which is of course just next door to the continental US is stupid. Yes perhaps that is partially true. But, it is certain that the oil tankers burn vastly less fuel then the amount of fuel they ship. You are talking a fraction of a percent improvement, that ends up with the US increasing emissions further in the long run as we burn all that oil we drilled.

My car doesn’t have a Mr. Fusion. It runs on gasoline.
I’m all about Nuclear reactors. Try getting one built.
Wind farms are great, just NITKBY (Not in Ted Kennedy’s Back Yard!)

269 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:33:14am

re: #263 pingjockey

We are working on alternative energy. When we get batteries for semi trucks, trains, pickup trucks, that will do the job diesel does great. We don’t have a power supply yet small enough yet with the horsepower to do what internal combustion does. Out here in eastern WA a windmill farm was shut down(plans for it) cause of eco concerns…birds, ruins the view etc..

You all are really forcing me to break my humorous style here.

The Nimby factor is difficult to deal with. However it is vastly less of a NIMBY than the effects of drilling.

As to horsepower and torque that is just wrong an electric motor our-performs an internal combustion engine in almost all ways. It is more reliable as well. The reason they are not used us much in cars is because we have not invested in the infrastructure to power and recharge them.

That could be solved by nuclear reactors, wind farms and a smart gird.

270 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:33:24am

re: #261 Aceofwhat?

They’ve got some good incentives going, actually, that I’m hoping I can take advantage of.

271 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:33:55am

off to meeting……

272 daddiokng  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:34:31am

If god is on your side, can you really do anything bad? I don’t thinks so. Look at Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Ted Strickland, Larry Craig….all did no wrong since god magically and forever protects them from all responsibility.

273 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:34:37am

re: #259 Aceofwhat?

Not only that, i wouldn’t even go there off-hours with employees…like Fianna said, it’s a lawsuit trap. We’re all too smart to submit something like that…but it’s really really easy on the APPROVAL side to get caught up in verifying numbers and not pay close attention to the venue. That’s all i’m saying.

Meyers deserved to be canned, immediately. No question about that.

Thinking about the scenario, I’m supposing it went something like, Meyers goes to pay the bill and the card is declined. Embarrassed because she’s “wining and dining” campaign donors, she sheepishly asks Brown for his card and promises to reimburse him. Takes the receipt and the rest is history.

Once the expense is approved, the check is cut, as was in this case, and no one is the wiser. That’s why you give the job of approval to a clerical person, not the director of a program aimed at cultivating major donors!

Who runs this place? Oh yea, Mike Steele LOL

274 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:34:44am

Says right here ——>

He said U.S. EPA and the Transportation Department will meet tomorrow’s deadline to finalize new auto emissions and fuel economy standards, and announced plans to double the federal fleet of hybrid cars and trucks.

275 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:34:48am

re: #269 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
The nimby factor is the PROBLEM! Also there isn’t a battery bult yet that can run an electric motor for a frieght train or a semi truck.

276 allegro  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:35:05am

Solar Roadways

The Solar Roadway™ is a series of structurally-engineered solar panels that are driven upon. The idea is to replace all current petroleum-based asphalt roads, parking lots, and driveways with Solar Road Panels™ that collect and store solar energy to be used by our homes and businesses. This renewable energy replaces the need for the current fossil fuels used for the generation of electricity. This, in turn, cuts greenhouse gases literally in half.

277 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:35:09am

re: #264 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

re: #255 rwdflynavy
Breaking Character again.

Or for a fraction of the cost of the drilling and environmental impact, you could build a nuclear reactor or a wind farm - and still get off of Saudi dependence.

The argument about not shipping it from Saudi - as opposed to Alaska, which is of course just next door to the continental US is stupid. Yes perhaps that is partially true. But, it is certain that the oil tankers burn vastly less fuel then the amount of fuel they ship. You are talking a fraction of a percent improvement, that ends up with the US increasing emissions further in the long run as we burn all that oil we drilled.

We’re paying the cost of the drilling? Huh. I thought the oil companies were paying.

And we should absolutely be building nuclear plants. If those damn republican NIMBYs would just…huh? what’s that? oh, its lefty NIMBY’s in the way? oh. uhhh…help…

How about this - i’ll trade you no drilling for a massive reduction in red tape for new, next-gen nuclear power plants.

That’ll make this conservative happier than a mosquito at a vampire club…

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:35:11am

Republicans like boobies too.

“Once you’ve seen one woman naked, you… pretty much wanna see the rest of ‘em naked.”
-Ron White

279 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:35:21am

re: #251 pingjockey

1980 and 1981

Ah - I had departed Asia already. HK is a trip. Never a dull moment.

280 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:35:30am

re: #34 iceweasel

What happened to the Morning Wingnut Wave? They bitch about “Pelosi’s jet” several times a week, still.

What, nothing to say about Steele’s desire to buy a private plane, or the bills he’s been running up?
Bueller? …Bueller?

…I guess that should be Butthurt? Butthurt?

I’ll go ahead and place myself in that “wave” since I’m usually on in the mornings and everyone knows I’m on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

C’mon, Ice.
Hell, up to 10 minutes ago I was still reading the previous thread and responding there due to work. You expect me to be at the keyboard continuously?! A guy’s gotta pay the bills!

Yes, I’m not happy with money being spent frivolously by not just our Government but also by any group that say’s it represents others - including the GOP.

I most upset that invitations weren’t sent out though for “us” party faithful to also attend…. ;)

281 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:35:40am

re: #273 marjoriemoon

good stuff!

282 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:36:15am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Republicans like boobies too.

“Once you’ve seen one woman naked, you… pretty much wanna see the rest of ‘em naked.”
-Ron White

LOVE the new avatar, btw

283 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:36:23am

re: #255 rwdflynavy

Oil drilled here causes less CO2 emissions than shipping it from the Arabian Gulf.

I’m all about alternative energy sources, but we are stupid to pay for oil from the Saudis with a large supply off our coasts.

Quite Concur. We have to use oil in the short term, and it would be better if we produced it.

284 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:36:26am

re: #266 pingjockey

We haven’t built a nuc reactor for years because of the eco movement.

And the fools in the eco movement need to b faced with the stark choice of the possible outcomes from a modern reactor - which are much less than those of the older ones - and the absolute certainty of what science is predicting will go wrong to the environment if nothing is done.

There is no way for anyone to have their cake and eat it too.

We have GOP oil types on the right who demand that somehow we keep burning oil and we avoid the consequences. We have Left wing fools on the left who would rather cut off the Earth’s nose despite its face.

Both manage to insure that nothing gets done.

285 ShaunP  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:37:19am

re: #284 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

And the fools in the eco movement need to b faced with the stark choice of the possible outcomes from a modern reactor - which are much less than those of the older ones - and the absolute certainty of what science is predicting will go wrong to the environment if nothing is done.

There is no way for anyone to have their cake and eat it too.

We have GOP oil types on the right who demand that somehow we keep burning oil and we avoid the consequences. We have Left wing fools on the left who would rather cut off the Earth’s nose despite its face.

Both manage to insure that nothing gets done.

I like the new guy…

286 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:37:29am

re: #270 Obdicut

They’ve got some good incentives going, actually, that I’m hoping I can take advantage of.

i hope so too. you’re too smart to get blocked by red tape and regulation. unfortunately, i have no experience whatsoever in either your line of business or NYC, so all i can do is wish you the best from the sidelines…

287 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:37:47am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Republicans like boobies too.

“Once you’ve seen one woman naked, you… pretty much wanna see the rest of ‘em naked.”
-Ron White

He’s never been to my office. All of my coworkers are women, and the only one I want to see naked is the cute, young, redhead grad student.

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:38:05am

re: #287 Mad Al-Jaffee

Rawr…

289 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:38:06am

re: #284 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

And the fools in the eco movement need to b faced with the stark choice of the possible outcomes from a modern reactor - which are much less than those of the older ones - and the absolute certainty of what science is predicting will go wrong to the environment if nothing is done.

There is no way for anyone to have their cake and eat it too.

We have GOP oil types on the right who demand that somehow we keep burning oil and we avoid the consequences. We have Left wing fools on the left who would rather cut off the Earth’s nose despite its face.

Both manage to insure that nothing gets done.

NOW we’re in full agreement.

290 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:38:08am

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I figured you for more of an expert on cheap beer.
BTW, just a reminder to you and yours that Code Pink is a collection of the worst imaginable human detritus.

291 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:38:50am

re: #284 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
Yep. For the forseeable future, like it or not we are oil dependent. Not just for transportation or electricity, oil is in a ton of things.

292 researchok  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:39:25am

I’m a lot more sanguine about the sex scandals.

Some Republicans may posit themselves as ‘family value’ types but an equal amount of Democrats posit themselves as ‘better and more moral people’.

Scandals like those of Elliot Spitzer, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, Kwame Kilpatrick, Gavin Newsom, etc., etc (and there are an equal number of Republicans who have behaved badly) only go on to remind everyone that bad behavior and illicit sexual dalliances have been going on for a very long time.

Bad behavior is no judgment on Democrat or GOP politics. It is a judgment on the individuals.

293 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:39:26am

re: #290 Spare O’Lake

I figured you for more of an expert on cheap beer.
BTW, just a reminder to you and yours that Code Pink is a collection of the worst imaginable human detritus.

And Glenn Beck is a soulless panderer.

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:39:32am

re: #291 pingjockey

Yep. For the forseeable future, like it or not we are oil dependent. Not just for transportation or electricity, oil is in a ton of things.

It’s on some strippers.

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:39:50am

re: #293 rwdflynavy

Hey, Bud!

296 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:40:08am

re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, Bud!

What up FBV!

297 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:40:12am

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yaay strippers!

298 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:40:20am

re: #265 Gus 802

How would we be burning more if tomorrow he’s announcing stricter fuel economy standards?

Because it is still getting burnt and the populace is growing and will be driving more cars. There is a certain upper limit of how much CO2 we can put up there before everything gets really bad. That is the whole point of tipping points. If you have more people putting more up there (albeit more slowly individually) you are still marching towards that tipping point wither way.

This also does not get into all the oil that gets burnt for electricity which also is going up in demand.

299 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:40:29am

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It’s on some strippers.

you’re doing it wrong

300 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:40:48am

Ship Pollution - Exhaust emissions

Exhaust emissions from ships are considered to be a significant source of air pollution, with 18-30% of all nitrogen oxide and 9% of sulphur oxide pollution. The 15 biggest ships emit about as much sulphur oxide pollution as all cars combined. “By 2010, up to 40% of air pollution over land could come from ships.” Sulfur in the air creates acid rain which damages crops and buildings. When inhaled the sulfur is known to cause respiratory problems and even increase the risk of a heart attack.

According to Irene Blooming, a spokeswoman for the European environmental coalition Seas at Risk, the fuel used in oil tankers and container ships is high in sulfur and cheaper to buy compared to the fuel used for domestic land use. “A ship lets out around 50 times more sulfur than a lorry per metric tonne of cargo carried.” Cities in the U.S. like Long Beach, Los Angeles, Houston, Galveston, and Pittsburgh see some of the heaviest shipping traffic in the nation and have left local officials desperately trying to clean up the air.

Increasing trade between the U.S. and China is helping to increase the number of vessels navigating the Pacific and exacerbating many of the environmental problems. To maintain the level of growth China is currently experiencing, large amounts of grain are being shipped to China by the boat load. The number of voyages are expected to continue increasing.

3.5% to 4% of all climate change emissions are caused by shipping.

301 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:41:14am

re: #292 researchok

I’m a lot more sanguine about the sex scandals.

Some Republicans may posit themselves as ‘family value’ types but an equal amount of Democrats posit themselves as ‘better and more moral people’.

Scandals like those of Elliot Spitzer, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, Kwame Kilpatrick, Gavin Newsom, etc., etc (and there are an equal number of Republicans who have behaved badly) only go on to remind everyone that bad behavior and illicit sexual dalliances have been going on for a very long time.

Bad behavior is no judgment on Democrat or GOP politics. It is a judgment on the individuals.

Agreed. Neither party has a monopoly on hypocrisy.

302 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:41:34am

re: #290 Spare O’Lake

I figured you for more of an expert on cheap beer.
BTW, just a reminder to you and yours that Code Pink is a collection of the worst imaginable human detritus.

Then they should get along well with Rove.

303 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:41:42am

re: #277 Aceofwhat?

We’re paying the cost of the drilling? Huh. I thought the oil companies were paying.

And we should absolutely be building nuclear plants. If those damn republican NIMBYs would just…huh? what’s that? oh, its lefty NIMBY’s in the way? oh. uhhh…help…

How about this - i’ll trade you no drilling for a massive reduction in red tape for new, next-gen nuclear power plants.

That’ll make this conservative happier than a mosquito at a vampire club…

That would make all of NASA happy too.

304 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:41:57am

re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, Bud!

I’ll be in Big Lick the weekend of 16-18 April. I move to DC on the 13th and will down visiting my MIL that weekend. We should grab a beer.

305 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:41:58am

Yeah, oil tanker emissions are insignificant.

//

306 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:42:07am

re: #303 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

That would make all of NASA happy too.

i aim to please!

307 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:42:14am

re: #298 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
However, even if we, the US cut our emissions hugely, China and India with their growing middle class and burning of way more coal than us isn’t going to help the warming problem.

308 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:42:40am

re: #267 Aceofwhat?

that sentence boggles the mind. wind power…canceled for eco concerns.

we’re doomed.

Yet actions just like it are happening all over the place.

Obama says more nuke plants.
Obama refuses to certify Yukka Mtn.
End result, no more nuke plants.

More power distribution needed for desert solar projects.
Sunrise power link from Anza Borrego desert area to San Diego being fought tooth and nail by environmentalists.

Obama says “Drill baby drill”. (WTF? I thought it was Apr. 1st when I saw that one.)
Blunts big criticism of Democrats going into 2010 elections.
Don’t really know if he’s serious or if there will be significant gov’t bureaucracy thrown in its way after Nov. or even an out and out retraction after “we studied it for 8 months and indications are that the exploration and exploitation of our own resources really wouldn’t help anyway.”

I’m beginning to think that many environmental groups don’t want us to have sufficient power. Why could that be?

309 allegro  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:43:02am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Neither party has a monopoly on hypocrisy.

No equivalence really since it isn’t the Dems whose party platform is anti-sex.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:43:09am

My sister was a dancer in a nudie bar. I can’t go into one. Not that I don’t like looking at attractive women. I can’t help but think “That’s someone’s sister or daughter.”

The one time I went, I remember thinking “Hey! That’s someone’s Grandmother. Roooll those things back up sweetie.”

I’m serious. She was pretty old.

311 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:43:49am

re: #300 Gus 802

Right so how much of a difference then is that percentage wise to the global total if you ship it from Alaska vs. Saudi? Further, there is the issue that once you invest in it, you have the political choice of keeping the oil company that drilled afloat vs, the fact that we are still marching towards a tipping point. All new drilling is bad if only because it is a step backwards that is very hard to reverse.

312 Olsonist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:00am

re: #290 Spare O’Lake

I figured you for more of an expert on cheap beer.
BTW, just a reminder to you and yours that Code Pink is a collection of the worst imaginable human detritus.

Let’s see. We got a bunch of nutarees getting ready to shoot cops. We’ve got disgruntled crazies flying planes into IRS buildings. We’ve got psycho psychiatrists murdering soldiers.

And a bunch of old ladies is the worst human detritus that SOL can imagine.

Right.

313 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:06am

re: #298 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Because it is still getting burnt and the populace is growing and will be driving more cars. There is a certain upper limit of how much CO2 we can put up there before everything gets really bad. That is the whole point of tipping points. If you have more people putting more up there (albeit more slowly individually) you are still marching towards that tipping point wither way.

This also does not get into all the oil that gets burnt for electricity which also is going up in demand.

IIRC, particulate emissions (people burning random shit in 3rd world countries) are responsible for about half of the past 100 years’ warming. We have to shake this “industrialized nation guilt” and yell at the other players too. It’s everyone’s bag.

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:18am

re: #304 rwdflynavy

sweet!

315 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:29am

It’s been fun reading some of the DU comments on Obama’s offshore drilling plans. Very fun.

316 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:34am

re: #309 allegro

No equivalence really since it isn’t the Dems whose party platform is anti-sex.

You’re right. Their platform was anti-corruption.

Helllooo New York!!!

317 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:36am

re: #311 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Right so how much of a difference then is that percentage wise to the global total if you ship it from Alaska vs. Saudi? Further, there is the issue that once you invest in it, you have the political choice of keeping the oil company that drilled afloat vs, the fact that we are still marching towards a tipping point. All new drilling is bad if only because it is a step backwards that is very hard to reverse.

How bout Florida? Or California? That is where we are looking to drill offshore…

318 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:44:50am

re: #307 pingjockey

However, even if we, the US cut our emissions hugely, China and India with their growing middle class and burning of way more coal than us isn’t going to help the warming problem.

So lets say you want to stop a fire. That argument is akin to saying that since Fred and Jane are pouring gasoline onto the fire, I should keep pouring it myself. That argument makes no sense.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:45:16am

re: #317 rwdflynavy

Good ole’ Virginny trying to get some of that too!

320 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:45:32am

how did we go from talking about strippers and simulated lesbian sex and bondage to a talk about oil? Then again oil = body oil = lubricating oil…

I was afk for a bit lol.

321 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:46:00am

re: #316 Aceofwhat?

You’re right. Their platform was anti-corruption.

Helllooo New York!!!

Oh for more updings!!!!

322 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:46:14am

re: #318 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
Right. Lets trash our economy and let them off. I’m saying we can and will dom something about emissions. They won’t.

323 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:46:58am

Big Business, GOP Complain That Health Reform Slashes Corporate Welfare

Health care reform cuts out that fat. The corporations still get taxpayer money to help pay for their drug coverage, but they can no longer continue the fiction that they’re using their own money to do it.

So… we, the taxpayers, gave them money to spend on prescription drugs for retirees. They, the corporations, were then able to deduct this amount of money from their taxes. Money that didn’t come from their own pockets.

Who thought this was a good idea?

324 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:47:06am

re: #318 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

So lets say you want to stop a fire. That argument is akin to saying that since Fred and Jane are pouring gasoline onto the fire, I should keep pouring it myself. That argument makes no sense.

because it’s a nonsensical argument.

say you want the room to be cooler and you, fred, and jane have three separate fireplaces going. will the room get cooler with two fires burning? if the answer is no, why aren’t you also yelling at fred and jane?

325 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:47:24am

re: #313 Aceofwhat?

IIRC, particulate emissions (people burning random shit in 3rd world countries) are responsible for about half of the past 100 years’ warming. We have to shake this “industrialized nation guilt” and yell at the other players too. It’s everyone’s bag.

Well actually… The country of Nigeria emits more than England because the Shell corporation finds it cheaper to just burn the natural gas from their operations than ship it.

I would imagine though that since plants eat carbon dioxide, that deforesttion has a biggger effect on the overall balance than just burning wood.

But the real point of your objection might be to ask, why are those nations in such a deplorable state?

At that point, while the West is surely not solely to blame, the West is hardly blameless as well.

326 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:48:25am

Later folks. Off to take the boys to granma and grampas for a couple of days….YAAAY!

327 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:48:27am

re: #317 rwdflynavy


I was reading that Cal is not on the list of places they plan to drill. We have enough oil rigs off of huntington beach as is. That being said I don’t mind more drilling but I want to see a lot more nuke plants.

328 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:48:49am

re: #302 Cato the Elder

Then they should get along well with Rove.

The only folks Code Pinkos “get along well with” are their fellow inmates at the Funny Farm for the Shreiking Ugly.

329 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:49:16am

re: #325 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck


At that point, while the West is surely not solely to blame, the West is hardly blameless as well.

agree completely with this statement

330 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:49:28am

re: #328 Spare O’Lake

The only folks Code Pinkos “get along well with” are their fellow inmates at the Funny Farm for the Shreiking Ugly.

Like I said - perfect buddies for Karl Rove.

331 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:49:32am

re: #293 rwdflynavy

And Glenn Beck is a soulless panderer.

How dare you insult my DADDY! HE is a great patriot. I challenge you to a duel! Tears at 50 paces!

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:49:37am

re: #307 pingjockey

That’s been on my mind since we started talking about curbing emissions.

Recently someone said we were too stupid to stop it anyway. I linked it, but… yawn… drumming fingers lazily… not going to look for it.

333 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:50:25am

OT: Jesse James goes from adulterer to utter Shithead:

Jesse James gives Hitler salute while wearing German military cap

And it’s not just a cap, it’s a SS hat. Anyone who would do what he is seen doing can be considered scum.

334 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:50:37am

re: #311 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Right so how much of a difference then is that percentage wise to the global total if you ship it from Alaska vs. Saudi? Further, there is the issue that once you invest in it, you have the political choice of keeping the oil company that drilled afloat vs, the fact that we are still marching towards a tipping point. All new drilling is bad if only because it is a step backwards that is very hard to reverse.

It’s not a step backward if it is combined with an overall energy policy. That includes more fleet hybrid vehicles and higher gas mileage and lower emission vehicles. That would mean a net reduction in emissions. Oil from Alaska would require less in shipping requirement due to the Trans-Alaska oil pipeline.

However, I think there are more beneficial aspects to this then the tanker emissions argument.

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:50:51am

re: #323 JasonA

The companies thought it was a great idea.

336 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:51:21am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The companies thought it was a great idea.

Touche!

337 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:51:39am

re: #322 pingjockey

China is actually making moves to cut use of coal. But I look at it from the stand point of which way gives us the high ground on the argument about emissions? Not doing anything and saying “but they aren’t doing anything either” or doing something about it and THEN giving the rest of the world a hard time. We can either lead, or at least make the attempt at leading the way or we can just keep pointing fingers.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:52:00am

re: #336 JasonA

Touche!

Sorry. Stripper thread. No touchie.

339 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:52:08am

re: #318 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

So lets say you want to stop a fire. That argument is akin to saying that since Fred and Jane are pouring gasoline onto the fire, I should keep pouring it myself. That argument makes no sense.

That might work as an analogy if your other suggested option was to put out the fire by throwing all your money on it.

340 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:52:23am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Stripper thread. No touchie.

You’ve been going to the wrong strip clubs.

341 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:53:18am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

OT: Jesse James goes from adulterer to utter Shithead:

Jesse James gives Hitler salute while wearing German military cap

And it’s not just a cap, it’s a SS hat. Anyone who would do what he is seen doing can be considered scum.

The guy is a fucking slimeball.

342 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:53:22am

re: #336 JasonA

Touche!

What is “touche”? A touchy-feely douche?

Or did you mean “touché”?

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:53:24am

re: #339 CyanSnowHawk

Zing!

heh

344 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:53:29am

re: #322 pingjockey

Right. Lets trash our economy and let them off. I’m saying we can and will dom something about emissions. They won’t.

Your more than a little interested in the BDSM club scandal, aren’t you pj?

345 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:53:32am

re: #317 rwdflynavy

How bout Florida? Or California? That is where we are looking to drill offshore…

So since those are two places that will be the most underwater if we cross tipping points, you tell me? If you burn the fuel, you march towards the tipping point.. There is no way out of that.

346 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:53:39am

More Islamist terror in Dagestan:

Twin Homicide Blasts Kill 12 in Russia’s South

two more splodydopes blow themselves to Hell. I just wish they would kill innocents when they prove how evil they are.

347 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:54:05am

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

the woman he was with is a supposed white supremacist.

348 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:54:12am

re: #342 Cato the Elder

What is “touche”? A touchy-feely douche?

Or did you mean “touché”?

I know how it’s spelled but not how to accent it. So there. :P

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:54:13am

re: #176 tnguitarist

Does anyone else find it sad that they consider their “Young Eagles” to be anyone under 45 ?

Under 45 is pretty young in politics.

350 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:55:14am

re: #348 JasonA

I know how it’s spelled but not how to accent it. So there. :P

Charles has a handy link below the comment box on “how to embed special characters”.

351 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:55:23am

re: #345 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

So since those are two places that will be the most underwater if we cross tipping points, you tell me? If you burn the fuel, you march towards the tipping point.. There is no way out of that.

We can’t just stop burning oil tomorrow. Build nucs, build wind farms, built solar. Improve and invent better batteries and a smart grid.

Just don’t be so obtuse as to think we can wean ourselves off oil overnight.

352 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:55:27am

re: #345 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck
I don’t know about California being under much water, sure we have plenty of flat areas where there would be flooding but I would probably live on ocean front property then, where I am.

It would be devestating to Florida and most of the midwest/south.

353 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:55:32am

re: #345 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

So since those are two places that will be the most underwater if we cross tipping points, you tell me? If you burn the fuel, you march towards the tipping point.. There is no way out of that.

l live in Florida. You can drill here. I disagree that more drilling = more consumption. The consumption will be policy-related (i.e. we should build more nukes, too). While we’re reducing consumption, can’t we also reduce the % of oil purchased from bad actors? Why is this a difficult argument again?

354 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:02am

re: #348 JasonA

I know how it’s spelled but not how to accent it. So there. :P

á, é, í, ó, ú, ý - Á, É, Í, Ó, Ú, Ý
:P

355 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:05am

re: #347 Dreggas

the woman he was with is a supposed white supremacist.

Which one?

/

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:24am

re: #304 rwdflynavy

I’ll be in Big Lick the weekend of 16-18 April. I move to DC on the 13th and will down visiting my MIL that weekend. We should grab a beer.

BTW was on the I95 north today. Traffic was backed up for 20 miles.

Enjoy your move.

357 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:33am

re: #350 Cato the Elder

Charles has a handy link below the comment box on “how to embed special characters”.

Or you just use the ‘e’ key and be happy knowing that most lizards will understand you.

358 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:35am

re: #345 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

So since those are two places that will be the most underwater if we cross tipping points, you tell me? If you burn the fuel, you march towards the tipping point.. There is no way out of that.

“If you burn the fuel”? There is no question but that we are going to burn the fuel. The only way we will stop burning petroleum is when we actually run out of it.

The idea that we will stop using it out of altruism and concern for the future is a fantasy.

359 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:35am

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ROFLMAO touché

360 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:56:51am

RNC RAISES MONEY FOR HANNITY….

Dear XXXX,

I wanted to let you know that I just finished reading Sean Hannity’s new book, Conservative Victory: Defeating Obama’s Radical Agenda. As they so often do, Sean’s words left me energized for November and even more committed to making the gains necessary to bring the Obama agenda to a halt.

In the book, Sean does more than just tell us why we need to defeat the Obama Agenda. He also gives us a blueprint for getting it done. I cannot recommend it enough — and I’m confident that, like me, you will be ready for the upcoming elections with a renewed commitment.

Sincerely,

Michael Steele
Chairman, Republican National Committee

Is this normal? I can’t say I pay much attention to my DNC emails, but I don’t recall them ever trying to sell me a pundit’s book.

361 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:57:34am

re: #358 Cato the Elder

“If you burn the fuel”? There is no question but that we are going to burn the fuel. The only way we will stop burning petroleum is when we actually run out of it.

The idea that we will stop using it out of altruism and concern for the future is a fantasy.

Your sanity is refreshing, as usual-

362 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:57:42am

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW was on the I95 north today. Traffic was backed up for 20 miles.

Enjoy your move.

Reason number 1 to live in the Mount Vernon area, GW Parkway, no interstate to work!

363 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:57:44am

re: #339 CyanSnowHawk

That might work as an analogy if your other suggested option was to put out the fire by throwing all your money on it.

Realy? Do you think that the wind farms or the nuke plants would not turn a profit? I would think that all the money we ship to Saudi would go to them and grow our economy by staying home and creating American jobs.

That’s a really silly argument especially if you look at the alternative of crossing a tipping point where the economy as we know it would no longer exist. Right? The scientists are talking about massive loss of food and water and spread of disease in the US. Not to mention lost land. How well would Wall Street work if it were underwater? And I don’t mean that as a catch phrase either - or just as a catch phrase at least. I have no idea how many trillions New York is worth to the world economy and how many trillions are invested in just the economy of NY alone. But I am certain that losing it would be a bigger hit than the dot com bubble.

364 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:58:31am

re: #350 Cato the Elder


re: #354 Varek Raith

Better solution: I’ll just stick to English from now on.

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:58:49am

re: #362 rwdflynavy

You’re gonna be based out of?…

366 keloyd  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:58:59am

re: #350 Cato the Elder

…”how to embed special characters”.

hahhahaha - they did a Family Guy episode about that.

367 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:59:40am

re: #351 rwdflynavy

We can’t just stop burning oil tomorrow. Build nucs, build wind farms, built solar. Improve and invent better batteries and a smart grid.

Just don’t be so obtuse as to think we can wean ourselves off oil overnight.

I’m not saying overnight. Where did you get that?

I am saying that rather than putting money into ol rigs, companies should be encouraged to develop other energy sources today and hopefully if we did that enough we can do it in time. However adding to the real problem by drilling and burning more sequestered CO2 is certainly not going to help anyone in the long run.

368 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:59:58am

re: #363 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

wind farms and nukes will not get me to work TOMORROW or get my goods to Lagos TOMORROW.

we cannot wean ourselves so quickly, and we can do much better to clean up the oil that we continue to consume. better that we purchase more of our own.

369 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:59:58am

re: #365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You’re gonna be based out of?…

Crystal City (Arlington).

370 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:00:33pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

“If you burn the fuel”? There is no question but that we are going to burn the fuel. The only way we will stop burning petroleum is when we actually run out of it.

The idea that we will stop using it out of altruism and concern for the future is a fantasy.

It’s funny because people say if we produce more oil domestically it will only lead to more oil consumption. Other countries are producing more oil and we continue to buy and consume it as time goes by. Using that logic then we’d have to stop buying foreign oil to keep from consuming more oil. We’re still going to purchase that oil.

Last time I checked the Toyota Hybrid still requires gasoline.

371 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:00:48pm

re: #367 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

I’m not saying overnight. Where did you get that?

I am saying that rather than putting money into ol rigs, companies should be encouraged to develop other energy sources today and hopefully if we did that enough we can do it in time. However adding to the real problem by drilling and burning more sequestered CO2 is certainly not going to help anyone in the long run.

yeesh. drilling more ≠ burning more. that’s where you’re stuck.

372 Bear  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:01:13pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

What?

373 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:01:48pm

re: #364 JasonA

re: #354 Varek Raith

Better solution: I’ll just stick to English from now on.

Accents are alright. It’s those damn umlauts with their beady eyes you have to watch out for!

or some such nonsense.
:)

374 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:01:54pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

“If you burn the fuel”? There is no question but that we are going to burn the fuel. The only way we will stop burning petroleum is when we actually run out of it.

The idea that we will stop using it out of altruism and concern for the future is a fantasy.

Altruism - how about survival. There is such a thing as enlightened self interest. If you are correct, and I fear you may be, then all you are saying is that we are screwed as a civilization. I personally think we should try to keep it.

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:02:38pm

re: #369 rwdflynavy

Well, bless your cotton pickin’ heart.

Do you get to fly a jet to work? They have ejector seats, don’t they?

376 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:02:46pm

re: #374 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Altruism - how about survival. There is such a thing as enlightened self interest. If you are correct, and I fear you may be, then all you are saying is that we are screwed as a civilization. I personally think we should try to keep it.

I think you should go back into character.

377 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:03:20pm

I don’t see the big deal. Yeah, this is another example of pointing fingers and saying “they did it too,” and yes, it demonstrates hypocrasy from a political party hell-bent on capturing the morality vote but that’s it. If any of ‘em had sex with the employees of the establishment, I just hope they had safe sex.

378 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:03:34pm

re: #371 Aceofwhat?

yeesh. drilling more ≠ burning more. that’s where you’re stuck.

Excuse me? That makes no sense at all.

Do they drill the oil to put in an oil museum, or to put on display somewhere?

What exactly do we use it for? Yes yes I know about plastics and all that, so please don’t try to evade the point by bringing up a false tangent.

379 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:04:03pm

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, bless your cotton pickin’ heart.

Do you get to fly a jet to work? They have ejector seats, don’t they?

An Xterra, does that count?

380 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:04:16pm

re: #378 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Excuse me? That makes no sense at all.

Do they drill the oil to put in an oil museum, or to put on display somewhere?

What exactly do we use it for? Yes yes I know about plastics and all that, so please don’t try to evade the point by bringing up a false tangent.

i realize that it makes no sense to you. that’s why you’re stuck.

381 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:04:59pm

re: #379 rwdflynavy

An Xterra, does that count?

As long as it’s outfitted properly. Mad Max on 95!

382 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:05:10pm

re: #374 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Altruism - how about survival. There is such a thing as enlightened self interest. If you are correct, and I fear you may be, then all you are saying is that we are screwed as a civilization. I personally think we should try to keep it.

Enlightened self interest only works when the person is enlightened enough to see the problem.

383 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:05:23pm

re: #368 Aceofwhat?

wind farms and nukes will not get me to work TOMORROW or get my goods to Lagos TOMORROW.

we cannot wean ourselves so quickly, and we can do much better to clean up the oil that we continue to consume. better that we purchase more of our own.

OK so where did I say tomorrow? I don’t understand how you can possibly put those words into my mouth.

I said, don’t drill more and instead of drilling more build more alternative energy sources as we switch over.

384 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:05:59pm

NSFW
Little Chat Roulette Bastard

If this is this real kid he’s going to be a bastard when he’s older. He’s trollin’ at 8!

I think we need two internets. One for those who are immature and another for people under 18.

385 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:06:09pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Enlightened self interest only works when the person is enlightened enough to see the problem.

Also, it isn’t self-interest to be concerned about what will happen in 100 years.

386 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:06:20pm

re: #380 Aceofwhat?

i realize that it makes no sense to you. that’s why you’re stuck.

What? Are you honestly denying that we burn oil, and that we drill oil with the purpose of burning it?

Even Dad wouldn’t say something that stupid.

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:07:06pm

re: #379 rwdflynavy
Carry a pee cup…

I’m just sayin…

388 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:07:19pm

Test Results Confirm Cesium-137 In Vt. Yankee Soil

VERNON, Vt. —
A second radioactive substance has turned up at the troubled Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant less than a week after plant officials said they fixed a radioactive leak.

The latest substance, known as Cesium-137, is said to be more dangerous than the previously discovered radioactive material known as tritium, which was discovered in groundwater near the plant in January.

The Vermont Department of Health said the radioactive Cesium-137 was confirmed by lab officials Tuesday in soil sampled March 17. Cesium-137 is a byproduct of nuclear fission and can cause cancer when ingested in high doses, according to the Department of Health. The substance does not appear naturally.

389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:07:42pm

Work.

390 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:07:45pm

I’d just like to point out that if we had started drilling and investing in alternative energy sources when it first got brought up, instead of letting the “It will take 10 years” crowd rule the debate, we would have been 20 years ahead of where we are now.

391 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:08:16pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

“If you burn the fuel”? There is no question but that we are going to burn the fuel. The only way we will stop burning petroleum is when we actually run out of it.

The idea that we will stop using it out of altruism and concern for the future is a fantasy.

The latter is true.
The former is false. We will stop burning petroleum as soon as it is cheaper and easier to get all our energy from other sources.

392 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:09:00pm

re: #383 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

OK so where did I say tomorrow? I don’t understand how you can possibly put those words into my mouth.

I said, don’t drill more and instead of drilling more build more alternative energy sources as we switch over.

either we switch tomorrow or we keep using billions of barrels while we switch. but you want to keep buying them from Saudi Arabia…

393 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:09:01pm

re: #385 rwdflynavy

Also, it isn’t self-interest to be concerned about what will happen in 100 years.

I can’t be concerned about my children’s children, because my kids are too young to be having children of their own.

/

394 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:09:10pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’d just like to point out that if we had started drilling and investing in alternative energy sources when it first got brought up, instead of letting the “It will take 10 years” crowd rule the debate, we would have been 20 years ahead of where we are now.

And if you do the research into this you will find that the first real serious warning from the science community came from the National Academy to LBJ in the Sixties. We are actually 50 years behind the curve.

395 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:09:54pm

re: #392 Aceofwhat?

either we switch tomorrow or we keep using billions of barrels while we switch. but you want to keep buying them from Saudi Arabia…

No I want to build reactors and wind farms and solar and smart grids. This will mean we need to buy less from Saudi.

396 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:11:41pm

re: #374 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Altruism - how about survival. There is such a thing as enlightened self interest. If you are correct, and I fear you may be, then all you are saying is that we are screwed as a civilization. I personally think we should try to keep it.

First of all, welcome to the forum.

Second, you may have read some of my posts about this in the past. I fear we may well be screwed, because you usually can’t even get a single nation to agree on an agenda for more than one fiscal year into the future. The idea that humanity as a whole can be made to reverse course for the sake of something that may or may not happen 50 years from now strikes me as the height of self-deception.

We will either adapt piecemeal, or not. No grand plan can save us short of worldwide eco-fascism, which I would oppose with every fiber of my being.

I am not sanguine about enlightened self-interest. But I also do not accept that the lack of a sudden magical metanoia on a planetary scale necessarily means the death of civilization. It is not an either/or scenario, no matter how much the fearmongers and apocolyptogasmic doom-preachers shriek and slaver.

397 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:11:43pm

re: #363 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Realy? Do you think that the wind farms or the nuke plants would not turn a profit? I would think that all the money we ship to Saudi would go to them and grow our economy by staying home and creating American jobs.

That’s a really silly argument especially if you look at the alternative of crossing a tipping point where the economy as we know it would no longer exist. Right? The scientists are talking about massive loss of food and water and spread of disease in the US. Not to mention lost land. How well would Wall Street work if it were underwater? And I don’t mean that as a catch phrase either - or just as a catch phrase at least. I have no idea how many trillions New York is worth to the world economy and how many trillions are invested in just the economy of NY alone. But I am certain that losing it would be a bigger hit than the dot com bubble.

I see you didn’t expect a criticism of your useless analogy.

So, just how much do you expect sea level to increase?
How fast?
Do you expect nothing to be done in reaction to said sea level increase or that it will happen so fast that nothing can be done to mitigate the problem?
Are you Roland Emmerich?
Are you Al Gore?
Are you Ludwig Von Quixote? (I really don’t expect this to be true, as LvQ is considerably more erudite in response.)

398 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:11:52pm

re: #391 Spare O’Lake

The latter is true.
The former is false. We will stop burning petroleum as soon as it is cheaper and easier to get all our energy from other sources.

Unless vested interests use their oil money and pet politicians to prevent other action. Unless other vested interests in misplaced enviro concerns use their influence and pet politicians to prevent action as well.

A nuke plant in the long run would already be cheaper.

399 Kragar  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:11:57pm

re: #394 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

And if you do the research into this you will find that the first real serious warning from the science community came from the National Academy to LBJ in the Sixties. We are actually 50 years behind the curve.

I tend to consider the late 70s as this is when the issue became thrust upon the public.

400 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:12:14pm

re: #386 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

What? Are you honestly denying that we burn oil, and that we drill oil with the purpose of burning it?

Even Dad wouldn’t say something that stupid.

sigh.

we drill oil to burn it. we don’t check to see how much we’ve drilled, globally, before we each decide to drive to grandma’s house for pie.

drilling more will not affect our behavior. it may slightly lower prices…but then companies would simply shelve more expensive projects, and then we’re back to equilibrium…except now we’re buying less from Saudi Arabia.

drilling more does not equate to burning more. i wish to see the supply balance shifted, not increased.

why is this such a novel idea?

401 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:13:11pm

Greenpeace inflatables — gasoline powered.

Other oil powered ships:

The Esperanza %P% Greenpeace International

Built: 1984 Poland Gdansk
Gross tonnage: 2076 BRT
Length o.a: 72.3m
Breadth: 14.3m
Draught: 4.7m
Maximum speed: 14 knots
Main engines: 5.876 BHP, 2*2.938 BHP Sulzer V12

The Arctic Sunrise %P% Greenpeace International

Length O.A: 49.62 m
Breadth: 11.50 m
Maximum Draught: 5.30 m
Maximum Speed: 13 Knots
Main engine: MAK 9M452AK 2495 IHP 1619kW
Aux engines: 2 x Deutz BF6M716 208hp (175 kva)
Bow & stern thrusters: 400 hp each

Rainbow Warrior (2011)

Sail with diesel-electric backup

Greenpeace Helicopter - MD 369


Powerplant: 1× Allison 250-C20R Turboshaft, 375 hp (280 kW)

Sea Shepperd MV Steve Irwin

2 x British Polar Engines 12 cylinder 2,100 bhp (1,600 kW), driving a variable-pitch propeller

402 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:13:34pm

re: #401 Gus 802

heh

403 Gus  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:14:06pm

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

heh

:) I’m always looking for the monkey wrench.

/

404 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:14:16pm

re: #391 Spare O’Lake

The latter is true.
The former is false. We will stop burning petroleum as soon as it is cheaper and easier to get all our energy from other sources.

And to have the infrastructure and delivery systems to make use of that energy. Doesn’t matter how cheap a form of energy is if you can’t make a car use it, or there are no cars that take it, and no gas pumps to deliver it.

405 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:15:17pm

re: #396 Cato the Elder

Well said Cato.

Although we shouldn’t rely on a future fix, I think it is a little early to predict the date the sky will fall.

100 years ago we were taking the first steps toward powered flight. The automobile was a new thing.

A lot can happen in a 100 years. The horse could sing!

406 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:16:40pm

re: #396 Cato the Elder

Thank you for the kind words, but where are you getting sudden from?

Where did I say that suddenly everyone would just stop the economies of the world for a year and live in the dark while we built other things?

I said drilling more anywhere is a step back. This must be true since when you burn what you drill from anywhere you add to the problem and once you drill it, in order to make it profitable, there is a lot of inertia to keep burning it.

I said that the smart move is to build something else now to pick up the slack.

I think I shall go back to satire!

407 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:17:44pm

re: #405 rwdflynavy

A lot can happen in a 100 years. The horse could sing!

Sarah Jessica Parker is recording an album?

408 Sigma_x  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:17:52pm

Hello, Lizards. Allow me to introduce myself. Glad to be here. I registered yesterday, but didn’t have time to log in.

On a completely unrelated note - here’s video of an Elementary School performing Scarface (that’s right, I said Scarface.)

I defy you to watch this without questioning your own sanity.

Youtube Video

409 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:18:53pm

re: #406 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Thank you for the kind words, but where are you getting sudden from?

Where did I say that suddenly everyone would just stop the economies of the world for a year and live in the dark while we built other things?

I said drilling more anywhere is a step back. This must be true since when you burn what you drill from anywhere you add to the problem and once you drill it, in order to make it profitable, there is a lot of inertia to keep burning it.

I said that the smart move is to build something else now to pick up the slack.

I think I shall go back to satire!

Any oil we don’t drill here gets drilled somewhere else on our behalf. Simple fact.

410 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:18:59pm

re: #386 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

What? Are you honestly denying that we burn oil, and that we drill oil with the purpose of burning it?

Even Dad wouldn’t say something that stupid.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that I get those oil burn quota notices every time production increases.
/

Think of it this way. The more we pump locally, the less will get pumped elsewhere, since we won’t be buying it from elsewhere.

You truly are stuck on the notion that as production rises, demand rises. Production does not drive demand. Demand drives production.

411 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:20:27pm

re: #400 Aceofwhat?

re: #397 CyanSnowHawk

You are sooo right! That is something only an Al Gore like Commie would say. There is no evidence at all that NY or Manhattan would be put under water by a 2 meter rise in water - because we all know the oceans aren’t rising even now!

It’s all just a new world order soncspiracy to take money from oil companies who are the best patriots ever and always put the needs of America first!

The idea that the US economy would be damaged by losing NY is also just CRAZY even if those lying Darwinist scientists were telling the truth!

I mean who would think that the property of NY is worth much anyway. It’s just a little Island! When all the people move inland, they will take all the buildings and infrastructure with them - or build new ones, and people who invested in gold will provide the capital for it!

412 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:21:15pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

Any oil we don’t drill here gets drilled somewhere else on our behalf. Simple fact.

And any effort to build alternatives makes us use less from over there or anywhere else - even more basic fact.

And that sir really is the end of the debate.

413 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:22:51pm

re: #398 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Unless vested interests use their oil money and pet politicians to prevent other action. Unless other vested interests in misplaced enviro concerns use their influence and pet politicians to prevent action as well.

A nuke plant in the long run would already be cheaper.

The vested interests will certainly delay and pervert in the short term, but in the long term cannot stand against the forces of the marketplace.

414 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:23:23pm

re: #408 Sigma_x

Hello, Lizards. Allow me to introduce myself. Glad to be here. I registered yesterday, but didn’t have time to log in.

On a completely unrelated note - here’s video of an Elementary School performing Scarface (that’s right, I said Scarface.)

I defy you to watch this without questioning your own sanity.


[Video]

Tony Montana is indoctrinating our kids!!11!

415 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:24:01pm

re: #410 CyanSnowHawk

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that I get those oil burn quota notices every time production increases.
/

Think of it this way. The more we pump locally, the less will get pumped elsewhere, since we won’t be buying it from elsewhere.

You truly are stuck on the notion that as production rises, demand rises. Production does not drive demand. Demand drives production.

Oh for crying out loud. The demand is already there and it will only go up as the population increases and nations like China and India Westernize.

Once the money is invested in drilling and pumping the oil, you create even more vested interest in preventing any changes.

I may be writing parody, but please don’t presume to lecture me with a false economic argument that would fail freshman macro.

416 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:24:49pm

re: #413 Spare O’Lake

The vested interests will certainly delay and pervert in the short term, but in the long term cannot stand against the forces of the marketplace.

Which is why we have a nuclear program like France’s?

417 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:25:14pm

re: #404 WindUpBird

And to have the infrastructure and delivery systems to make use of that energy. Doesn’t matter how cheap a form of energy is if you can’t make a car use it, or there are no cars that take it, and no gas pumps to deliver it.

That’s why I said cheaper and easier.

418 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:25:55pm

re: #415 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Oh for crying out loud. The demand is already there and it will only go up as the population increases and nations like China and India Westernize.

Once the money is invested in drilling and pumping the oil, you create even more vested interest in preventing any changes.

I may be writing parody, but please don’t presume to lecture me with a false economic argument that would fail freshman macro.

wait…demand is going to go up? how can it do that if we don’t drill first?

(even i don’t know if i’m being sarcastic or not)

419 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:26:07pm

re: #417 Spare O’Lake

That’s why I said cheaper and easier.

Just how I like my wimmen…

420 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:26:10pm

re: #412 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

And any effort to build alternatives makes us use less from over there or anywhere else - even more basic fact.

And that sir really is the end of the debate.

I’m glad you know when the debate is over.

I’ll feel free to continue commenting, though.

421 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:27:55pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

I’m glad you know when the debate is over.

I’ll feel free to continue commenting, though.

I really like you. Don’t be a sourpuss.

422 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:28:48pm

re: #421 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

I really like you. Don’t be a sourpuss.

But that’s why we like him!!

423 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:29:36pm

re: #416 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Which is why we have a nuclear program like France’s?

Three Mile Island. Remember?

424 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:30:15pm

re: #421 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

I really like you. Don’t be a sourpuss.

I like you too.

But I am not a sourpuss. I’m a curmudgeon.

425 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:32:13pm

re: #419 JasonA

Just how I like my wimmen…

A man likes a woman always to be easy.
A woman likes a man occasionally to be hard.

426 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:32:26pm

re: #263 pingjockey

We are working on alternative energy. When we get batteries for semi trucks, trains, pickup trucks, that will do the job diesel does great. We don’t have a power supply yet small enough yet with the horsepower to do what internal combustion does. Out here in eastern WA a windmill farm was shut down(plans for it) cause of eco concerns…birds, ruins the view etc..

My Bro-in-Law who lives in Ellensburg sold his house and moved due to the windfarm that was being built adjacent to him. Huge Turbines.
and yes, lotta lawsuits.

We also have relatives in the Yakima area.
A group of us always head over for Thanksgiving turkey, and load up in a van to tour the winneries on the Friday after. Good Times.

427 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:33:03pm

re: #423 Spare O’Lake

Three Mile Island. Remember?

As a matter of history, Three Mile Island was one of Peanut Carter’s finer moments.

As most of you know I am no fan of Carter’s. But he went there during the height of the panic and walked around with Rosalyn, putting his own neck on the line if a total meltdown had occurred.

In sharp contrast to Bush after 9/11, who went and hid somewhere until Rove gave his Howdy-Dubya puppet the all-clear.

428 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:34:14pm

re: #423 Spare O’Lake

Three Mile Island. Remember?

So in other words, there are more than just market forces at work? Thank you for proving my point.

429 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:37:18pm

re: #372 Bear

What?

Please excuse my error it should have read:

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

More Islamist terror in Dagestan:

Twin Homicide Blasts Kill 12 in Russia’s South

two more splodydopes blow themselves to Hell. I just wish they would not kill innocents when they prove how evil they are.

PIMF

430 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:39:20pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Greenpeace inflatables — gasoline powered.

Other oil powered ships:

Yeah those Green peace hypocrites! If they really cared about the environment, they would buy a nuclear submarine!

431 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:41:55pm

re: #410 CyanSnowHawk

You truly are stuck on the notion that as production rises, demand rises. Production does not drive demand. Demand drives production.

This is not true for energy use, sadly.

en.wikipedia.org

Jevon’s Paradox is at least partially true.

432 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:42:01pm

re: #427 Cato the Elder

As a matter of history, Three Mile Island was one of Peanut Carter’s finer moments.

As most of you know I am no fan of Carter’s. But he went there during the height of the panic and walked around with Rosalyn, putting his own neck on the line if a total meltdown had occurred.

In sharp contrast to Bush after 9/11, who went and hid somewhere until Rove gave his Howdy-Dubya puppet the all-clear.

Is that when Jimmah the craven a-hole roasted his peanuts?
And of course let’s not forget the exploitative reaction of Hollywood to the near disaster, with brilliant performances by the likes of Jack Lemmon, Jane Fonda, Meryl Streep and Cher.

433 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:44:47pm

re: #428 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

So in other words, there are more than just market forces at work? Thank you for proving my point.

Wrong again, plutonium-breath. Fear is a market force, because it affects demand.

434 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:47:03pm

re: #433 Spare O’Lake

Wrong again, plutonium-breath. Fear is a market force, because it affects demand.

So since your original argument was that nuclear power is inevitable because it is cheaper and the market would drive us there - my bringing up fear was correct? No?

Consistency may be the hobgoblin of little minds, but utter inconsistency in the course of a debate where one contradicts his own premise and then brags about it as if he knew what he was talking about is the mark of the totally stupid.

435 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:47:53pm

re: #434 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

I like you a lot more when you’re not schticking.

436 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:49:04pm

re: #435 Obdicut

I like you a lot more when you’re not schticking.

Well thanks, but the whole point of this account was meant to be schtick. I really probably should try hard not to stray from it.

437 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:49:42pm

re: #436 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Less talk. More drool.

438 ssn697  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:50:02pm

This is going to be hard to top for my “Funniest 2010 non-scandal Scandal” award.

439 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 12:54:11pm

re: #436 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Meh. I’m just one man. I never like schtick. Don’t mind me.

440 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 1:14:52pm

re: #432 Spare O’Lake

Is that when Jimmah the craven a-hole roasted his peanuts?
And of course let’s not forget the exploitative reaction of Hollywood to the near disaster, with brilliant performances by the likes of Jack Lemmon, Jane Fonda, Meryl Streep and Cher.

It was a near-disaster, and could have become our Chernobyl.

But don’t let that stop you from minimizing it.

Or from telling us how Chernobyl was really not all that bad.

441 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 1:22:01pm

re: #415 Slightly Drooling Love Child of Beck

Oh for crying out loud. The demand is already there and it will only go up as the population increases and nations like China and India Westernize.

Once the money is invested in drilling and pumping the oil, you create even more vested interest in preventing any changes.

I may be writing parody, but please don’t presume to lecture me with a false economic argument that would fail freshman macro.

If your first premise of more production = more consumption wasn’t also so simplistic that it “would fail freshman macro” I wouldn’t have slapped you with a simplistic response. The lvalue (left side value if you are unfamiliar with that term) in that equation is considerably more than simply more production. You didn’t try to clarify or justify it in the slightest, you just kept carrying on about the near future need for Venetian canal boats in Manhattan.

Perhaps you are El Pollo Bajo?

442 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Mar 31, 2010 1:32:29pm

re: #441 CyanSnowHawk

Did you read the thing I posted about Jevon’s paradox?


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