Religious Right Mad at the GOP

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In 2001, Family Research Council leader Tony Perkins gave a speech to the openly white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens. And when Perkins worked for Senator Woody Jenkins, he purchased a phone-bank list from former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke.

Today he’s angry at the Republican Party over recent revelations that the RNC paid for a wild night at a strip club in Hollywood. And by sheer coincidence, Sarah Palin’s angry too: Palin turns down RNC after nightclub incident.

“This latest incident is another indication to me that the RNC is completely tone-deaf to the values and concerns of a large number of people from whom they seek financial support,” Perkins wrote in his most recent “Washington Update” newsletter. “I’ve hinted at this before, but now I am saying it—don’t give money to the RNC. If you want to put money into the political process, and I encourage you to do so, give directly to candidates who you know reflect your values.”

Perkins, a major figure among Christian conservatives, also chastised the RNC for hiring prominent lawyer Ted Olson to represent the committee in a campaign finance case. Perkins is critical of the decision because Olson is one of the lawyers fighting to overturn Proposition 8 in California (the ballot initiative that banned gay marriage).

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628 comments
1 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:24:28pm

well I still don’t see them supporting the other guys anytime soon.

2 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:25:00pm

re: #1 brookly red

well I still don’t see them supporting the other guys anytime soon.

Far more likely that they just stay at home on election day.

3 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:26:08pm

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer political party if you ask me….

4 GatorAtLaw  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:26:28pm

Eventually the religious right will see that they’ve been used as easy votes since the late 80’s.

5 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:04pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Far more likely that they just stay at home on election day.

it could be so, but I am not seeing it… I see the GOP more moving in their direction even if it’s only lip service.

6 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:18pm

re: #3 jamesfirecat

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer political party if you ask me…

Yup ,, thats exactly what this country needs, a ONE party system!

7 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:39pm

I’m calling this one Lace-gate, just because it sounds so… so… sexy.

8 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:47pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Far more likely that they just stay at home on election day.

But they’ll be out on a lot of the primaries, guaranteeing candidates who scare the center.

9 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:54pm

I could see this coming from a mile away. Now the socons are gonna take their ball and go home.

10 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:28:15pm

re: #4 GatorAtLaw

Eventually the religious right will see that they’ve been used as easy votes since the late 80’s.

that realization may just happen to a lot of groups…

11 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:28:32pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

Yup ,, thats exactly what this country needs, a ONE party system!

No, it needs the GOP to collapse and something more functional and ACTUALLY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE be reborn from its ashes….

12 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:30:19pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

Yup ,, thats exactly what this country needs, a ONE party system!

we got it already… it’s the insiders party.

13 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:30:57pm

times up!
it doesn’t matter anymore

14 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:31:19pm

Republicans are the best gift Democrats could ever hope for.

15 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:32:23pm

re: #12 brookly red

we got it already… it’s the insiders party.

Bingo

I was never EVER for term limits. I started to change my mind in the late 80’s, increasing my beleif in it a little more every 2 years since.
We limit the President to 2 terms (8 years) so why not senators to 2 (12 years) and congressmen 5-6 (10-120

16 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:33:13pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Republicans The religious right are the best gift Democrats could ever hope for.

FTFY.

17 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:33:15pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Republicans are the best gift Democrats could ever hope for.

What a difference, Delay makes….
Though the Left lacks excitement…
They don’t have an Indictment…
Like that guy Tom Delay!

(Not about this situation in particular but in general playing off your statements and I love Cap Steps)

18 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:33:16pm

Are the ecofolks gonna have a fit over Obamas’ drilling plans like the socons are having over lesbian bondage bar tabs?

19 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:33:50pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

Bingo

I was never EVER for term limits. I started to change my mind in the late 80’s, increasing my beleif in it a little more every 2 years since.
We limit the President to 2 terms (8 years) so why not senators to 2 (12 years) and congressmen 5-6 (10-120

I was always against them too but I have warmed up to them.

20 Lidane  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:34:26pm

re: #18 pingjockey

Are the ecofolks gonna have a fit over Obamas’ drilling plans like the socons are having over lesbian bondage bar tabs?

Yes. They already are. The left wing blogs are alight with plenty of people criticizing Obama for his drilling plans.

21 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:34:34pm

re: #18 pingjockey

Are the ecofolks gonna have a fit over Obamas’ drilling plans like the socons are having over lesbian bondage bar tabs?

the have fits period.

22 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:34:58pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

Bingo

I was never EVER for term limits. I started to change my mind in the late 80’s, increasing my beleif in it a little more every 2 years since.
We limit the President to 2 terms (8 years) so why not senators to 2 (12 years) and congressmen 5-6 (10-120

The reason why I don’t support that idea is because it would insure that the lobbyists would have more practice at their job then our representatives do at theirs….

23 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:35:27pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

Bingo

I was never EVER for term limits. I started to change my mind in the late 80’s, increasing my beleif in it a little more every 2 years since.
We limit the President to 2 terms (8 years) so why not senators to 2 (12 years) and congressmen 5-6 (10-12)0

pimf,, (although it SEEMS as if some of them have been there for 120 years! )

24 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:35:34pm
Family Research Council leader Tony Perkins gave a speech

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OH GOD, MOTHER! BLOOD! BLOOD!!

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25 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:35:41pm

Interesting. They’re going to turn the lesbian-bondage nightclub mini-scandal against themselves. That is with regards to Palin.

Perkins is just angry that the GOP doesn’t morph into a fire breathing gay-hating party.

Odd, I see a pattern here. Two cases regarding sex or sexuality and a couple of thumpers.

26 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:36:22pm

re: #20 Lidane
I have no idea how much money of influence the ecofolks have over Dem. Pols. As a conservative, the religous right has waaay too much influence in the Repub party, but that is just me.

27 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:36:30pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

The reason why I don’t support that idea is because it would insure that the lobbyists would have more practice at their job then our representatives do at theirs…

well that should reduce costs a whole bunch no?

28 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:36:30pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Republicans are the best gift Democrats could ever hope for.

and the dems are the worst nightmare to run wild….I can’t wait for another war on poverty, can you?

29 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:37:13pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

The reason why I don’t support that idea is because it would insure that the lobbyists would have more practice at their job then our representatives do at theirs…

You’re kidding, right? You think the lobbyists only ‘recruit’ new running candiddates? THE problem is that they have been dealing with the same people for decades.
Let them have to try to deal with a ‘new” crop every 2-4 years. MUCH harder to get the hooks deep in

30 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:38:03pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

The reason why I don’t support that idea is because it would insure that the lobbyists would have more practice at their job then our representatives do at theirs…

What term limits do is create precisely what the folks who advocate term limits fear most – professional politicians who start working on their next job as soon as they start their first term in office and then – since their careers are limited – also start planning on how to use their public offices for future financial gain in the private sector.

31 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:38:14pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

No, it needs the GOP to collapse and something more functional and ACTUALLY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE be reborn from its ashes…

That would be ironic in light of their complaints about Obama ENDING tax-payer funded corporate subsidies for corporate drug purchases this past week.

Since AT&T announced they would write down $1 billion of future non-cash subsidy losses I have heard more than a few pundit Republicans howling in protest.

32 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:38:15pm

re: #28 albusteve

and the dems are the worst nightmare to run wild…I can’t wait for another war on poverty, can you?

/don’t worry we will all be poor soon enough.

33 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:38:36pm

re: #26 pingjockey

I have no idea how much money of influence the ecofolks have over Dem. Pols. As a conservative, the religous right has waaay too much influence in the Repub party, but that is just me.

they are just a pool of votes…like any other group of people, minorities, unions etc

34 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:39:23pm

re: #31 Linden Arden

That would be ironic in light of their complaints about Obama ENDING tax-payer funded corporate subsidies for corporate drug purchases this past week.

Since AT&T announced they would write down $1 billion of future non-cash subsidy losses I have heard more than a few pundit Republicans howling in protest.

here come the layoffs… again.

35 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:40:04pm

re: #29 sattv4u2

You’re kidding, right? You think the lobbyists only ‘recruit’ new running candiddates? THE problem is that they have been dealing with the same people for decades.
Let them have to try to deal with a ‘new” crop every 2-4 years. MUCH harder to get the hooks deep in

There’s a Korean political tale that says it is better to keep old rulers in place, because they eventually sate themselves and leave some for the country. New rulers always arrive hungry.

36 researchok  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:40:23pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

What term limits do is create precisely what the folks who advocate term limits fear most – professional politicians who start working on their next job as soon as they start their first term in office and then – since their careers are limited – also start planning on how to use their public offices for future financial gain in the private sector.

There’s more to term limits.

Aides also need have term limits. Recall how they tried to exclude themselves from HCR. It is they that have the deep relationships with lobbyists.

37 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:41:10pm

re: #33 albusteve

They just seem to have an inordinate amount of pull for their numbers. Or maybe it’s just they get a lot of press.

38 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:41:29pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

There’s a Korean political tale that says it is better to keep old rulers in place, because they eventually sate themselves and leave some for the country. New rulers always arrive hungry.

yeah ,, i’m sure the people that have been in there for decades are now sated!
/

39 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:41:43pm

re: #33 albusteve

they are just a pool of votes…like any other group of people, minorities, unions etc

angry old white guys…

40 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:41:59pm

re: #34 brookly red

here come the layoffs… again.

Good evening Mr. Doom.

41 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:42:11pm

re: #24 negativ

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OH GOD, MOTHER! BLOOD! BLOOD!!

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We all go a little mad sometimes, but the Religious Right goes alot mad most of the time.

42 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:42:20pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

yeah ,, i’m sure the people that have been in there for decades are now sated!
/

Once your freezer is full, what are you gonna do?

43 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:42:20pm

re: #36 researchok

There’s more to term limits.

Aides also need have term limits. Recall how they tried to exclude themselves from HCR. It is they that have the deep relationships with lobbyists.

we had term limits in NYC till Bloomy decided he wanted to run again…

44 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:43:06pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb
Buy another freezer.

45 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:43:08pm

Palin is just pissed because they only tipped her $20.00 and not one of them would spring for a lap dance with her in the “champagne” room.

/A girl has to earn a living after all…

46 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:43:12pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Once your freezer is full, what are you gonna do?

Use the freezers in your OTHER houses, be they in the states or not!


Wavin at ya, Mr. Rangle!!

47 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:43:14pm

Beck and Limbaugh get called out by the President:


cbsnews.com

Should make for some good sound-bites tomorrow.

48 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:43:45pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Good evening Mr. Doom.

so uhhh how exactly does a company take a billion dollar hit & not layoff workers?

49 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:43:48pm

re: #44 pingjockey

Buy have another freezer donated to you by the freezer lobby.

ftfy

50 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:44:27pm

re: #48 brookly red

so uhhh how exactly does a company take a billion dollar hit & not layoff workers?

increase your rates ,, a LOT

51 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:44:57pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Once your freezer is full, what are you gonna do?

/spend it and create jobs! f’n brilliant!

52 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:45:01pm

re: #49 sattv4u2
Heh. Alright!

53 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:45:23pm

the notion that republicans or conservative will damage this country any more than liberals have through the decades is simply denying history…beyond that, all is lost to DC really…it is an entity unto itself where power and wealth trump any sort of logic or economic responsibility and they are all guilty…some are just more guilty than others….and I’m looking at you liberals….I personally will never, ever forget pulling the funds for the RSV and allowing massive genocide to happen across SE Asia for votes…and that was just the beginning imo

54 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:45:42pm

re: #50 sattv4u2

increase your rates ,, a LOT

to unemployed people who can’t afford you as it is?

55 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:45:45pm

BBIAB,,,, clients walking in

56 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:06pm

re: #25 Gus 802

Interesting. They’re going to turn the lesbian-bondage nightclub mini-scandal against themselves. That is with regards to Palin.

Perkins is just angry that the GOP doesn’t morph into a fire breathing gay-hating party.

Odd, I see a pattern here. Two cases regarding sex or sexuality and a couple of thumpers.

Exactly, they’re so dumb/angry they’re magnifying the issue and using against themselves.

Wasteful $2,000 charges happen all the time—RNC, DNC, CVS, whatever. As long as Steele’s not directly involved, this is only a story because of sex and West Hollywood. But now Palin and Perkins are just prolonging the whole affair.

57 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:10pm

re: #43 brookly red

we had term limits in NYC till Bloomy decided he wanted to run again…

Damn liberals!

…oh wait.

58 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:22pm

re: #37 pingjockey

They just seem to have an inordinate amount of pull for their numbers. Or maybe it’s just they get a lot of press.

that’s why I hate the MSM just as much as the feds….with the UN not far behind

59 shiplord kirel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:27pm
also chastised the RNC for hiring prominent lawyer Ted Olson to represent the committee in a campaign finance case. Perkins is critical of the decision because Olson is one of the lawyers fighting to overturn Proposition 8 in California (the ballot initiative that banned gay marriage).

Let us not forget that Ted Olson is the widower of Barbara Olson, the conservative commentator and lawyer who was murdered by terrorist swine on board American Airlines Flight 77 during the attack on the Pentagon on 9-11-01.
Whether one agrees with her politics or not (and I usually did) Barbara Olson was a brilliant and lovely woman. Beside her many legal and media accomplishments, she had been a professional ballerina at one time.

Perkins is scum.

60 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:28pm

The religious right is naught but culturally luddite for its lack of appreciation for the table top ballet. Most admirable are those Republican leaders who become dollar bill patrons of the arts. Will the luddites declaim the party now? Will they? Will they?

/I wish

61 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:34pm

re: #28 albusteve

and the dems are the worst nightmare to run wild…I can’t wait for another war on poverty, can you?

Sure, why not. With the complete absence of other ideas I’m open to suggestions.

62 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:47:24pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

sarc tag, you always forget to add the sarc tag….

Would have been ding worthy with one, but without it I am left guessing if your actually serious or not. I’m just never quite sure with some of the rants you post occasionally.

63 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:47:32pm

re: #48 brookly red

so uhhh how exactly does a company take a billion dollar hit & not layoff workers?

Don’t believe the hype - WSJ

This change has garnered recent headlines because, to comply with accounting laws, companies affected by the provision have taken a one-time charge reflecting the loss of future tax deductions over the decades-long duration of their retiree health-care plans. Critics have seized on this accounting adjustment to suggest these costs—as much as $1 billion in one company’s case—are going to place immediate and substantial cost burdens on America’s businesses.

This is disingenuous.

The actual cash flow impact of these provisions begins in 2013, and is only a tiny fraction of the accounting charge-offs.

64 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:48:24pm

re: #50 sattv4u2

increase your rates ,, a LOT

Let’s see.

The bill is 1 billion dollars.

AT&T has 150,000,000 customers.

1 billion/150 million = 6.67.

Spread out that would mean they would have to charge a whopping extra 56 cents per month to recoup those loses in a year.

Yep, it’s the end of the world for AT&T.

65 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:48:42pm

Quack.

66 Liberally Conservative  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:48:52pm

Am I the first one to notice that there is a “Bondage” tag?

67 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:48:58pm

re: #62 ausador

sarc tag, you always forget to add the sarc tag…

Would have been ding worthy with one, but without it I am left guessing if your actually serious or not. I’m just never quite sure with some of the rants you post occasionally.

Yeah ,, I really want to be Iraq circa Saddam,, one party

68 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:49:28pm

The religious right needs to become acquainted with reality.

69 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:49:51pm

re: #57 bratwurst

Damn liberals!

…oh wait.

well if conservative democrats are blue dogs, then liberal republicans like bloomy are what? help me out here…

70 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:50:04pm

re: #47 freetoken

He does pretty well responding to that sort of thing. He doesn’t dodge the question and manages to keep his foot out of his mouth.

71 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:50:40pm

re: #69 brookly red

well if conservative democrats are blue dogs, then liberal republicans like bloomy are what? help me out here…

An endangered species?

72 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:51:23pm

re: #66 Liberally Conservative

Yep, looks like it.

Not something I’d recommend putting on your headstone, though.

73 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:51:50pm

re: #69 brookly red

well if conservative democrats are blue dogs, then liberal republicans like bloomy are what? help me out here…

I think they used to be called “silk stocking” in NY.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:51:54pm

re: #1 brookly red

well I still don’t see them supporting the other guys anytime soon.

No, but will they undermine Republicans while they’re throwing this little temper tantrum?

75 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:51:55pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Sure, why not. With the complete absence of other ideas I’m open to suggestions.

here’s a heads up for you…there will always be poor people, people that choose squalor over substance…children with no functioning parents who line up for their eternal handout….thanks mostly to liberal legislation and policy since WW2….liberals subsidize the poor for their votes and as far as I’m concerned that’s racist….Affirmative Action is a perfect example….you want idea’s?….put people to work…if you can force a citizen to buy health insurance, connect the dots

76 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:52:11pm

re: #66 Liberally Conservative

Am I the first one to notice that there is a “Bondage” tag?

Modern Times!

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:52:12pm

re: #3 jamesfirecat

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer political party if you ask me…

(James. There are Republicans in the room. Be nice.)

78 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:52:44pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Perhaps what the haters hate most about this President is that he is no one’s patsy.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:52:47pm

re: #4 GatorAtLaw

Eventually the religious right will see that they’ve been used as easy votes since the late 80’s.

I think they know that, to some degree. They’ve just been willing to play the game if they get enough stuff they want.

Looks like this is one of those times when they don’t feel they’re getting enough.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:53:43pm

re: #18 pingjockey

Are the ecofolks gonna have a fit over Obamas’ drilling plans like the socons are having over lesbian bondage bar tabs?

Probably, but they have less party-level support and influence.

81 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:53:54pm

re: #75 albusteve

here’s a heads up for you…there will always be poor people, people that choose squalor over substance…children with no functioning parents who line up for their eternal handout…thanks mostly to liberal legislation and policy since WW2…liberals subsidize the poor for their votes and as far as I’m concerned that’s racist…Affirmative Action is a perfect example…you want idea’s?…put people to work…if you can force a citizen to buy health insurance, connect the dots

Ya. America sure did go down hill during the 20th century as all this was going on.

82 Lidane  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:54:15pm

re: #26 pingjockey

I have no idea how much money of influence the ecofolks have over Dem. Pols.

To answer that, all you have to do is look at the difference between their noise-making over environmental policy, or things like offshore drilling, and their actual impact on the policies that are passed into law.

As a conservative, the religous right has waaay too much influence in the Repub party, but that is just me.

That’s because they spent decades working their way up the power structure of the party itself. It just took a good 30 years for everyone else in the GOP to notice.

83 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:54:18pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

No, but will they undermine Republicans while they’re throwing this little temper tantrum?

maybe yes, maybe no we shall see.

84 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:54:21pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s what I was wondering.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:54:23pm

re: #18 pingjockey

Are the ecofolks gonna have a fit over Obamas’ drilling plans like the socons are having over lesbian bondage bar tabs?

Let’s have lesbians in leather gear drilling for oil, and infuriate EVERYONE!!!

86 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:03pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

No, it needs the GOP to collapse and something more functional and ACTUALLY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE be reborn from its ashes…

Which reminds me: You’d better up that $10,000 dollars to more like a million. You’re going to need the head start going forward, as the health care bill sinks its fangs into your finances.

87 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:31pm

re: #69 brookly red

well if conservative democrats are blue dogs, then liberal republicans like bloomy are what? help me out here…

A red dog on a blue house.
Two dogs going around.
Going around fast.
Go dogs go!

88 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:32pm

re: #81 recusancy

I dunno, I love the idea of people choosing squalor. That’s keepin’ it real in spades!

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:40pm

OT: Ran across this earlier. Please read the article and let me know what you think. Should this chapel do torn down?

Outcry as chapel built from remains of Hitler’s luxury home becomes Nazi shrine

90 avanti  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:42pm

re: #34 brookly red

here come the layoffs… again.

It’s a billion dollar “non cash” write off of future liabilities, just a blip on AT&Ts bottom line to lose that bit of corporate welfare.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:48pm

re: #28 albusteve

and the dems are the worst nightmare to run wild…I can’t wait for another war on poverty, can you?

I don’t mean to start anything, but have you noticed that when the libs rag on the cons around here, they talk about stuff happening in the last decade, and when the cons rag on the libs, stuff that’s forty years old comes tumbling out of the closets?

//

92 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:55:51pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
Ohh my! Lesbian Bondage Wildcatters! Rowrr!

93 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:56:35pm

re: #81 recusancy

Ya. America sure did go down hill during the 20th century as all this was going on.

all the way down to the poorhouse…the best schools, the hardiest most innovative population, a manufacturing powerhouse…all in the fucking tank

94 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:56:48pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Let’s have lesbians in leather gear drilling for oil, and infuriate EVERYONE!!!

Tags: lesbians, leather gear, drilling, oil…

that should reset the Google ads….

95 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:56:53pm

The story that keeps on giving.

96 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:56:57pm

re: #90 avanti

It’s a billion dollar “non cash” write off of future liabilities, just a blip on AT&Ts bottom line to lose that bit of corporate welfare.

Exactly. So basically they’re going to lose: zero. Not sure if I’d consider it a write off but it’s just and expense they’re already facing so the cash is already there.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:57:29pm

re: #56 palomino

Exactly, they’re so dumb/angry they’re magnifying the issue and using against themselves.

Wasteful $2,000 charges happen all the time—RNC, DNC, CVS, whatever. As long as Steele’s not directly involved, this is only a story because of sex and West Hollywood. But now Palin and Perkins are just prolonging the whole affair.

I think Palin, at least, does not regard herself as beholden to the GOP in any way shape or form. If she portrays them as out of touch, and bad for values, more people go to her and her pundit-land cabaret.

98 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:57:30pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Exactly. So basically they’re going to lose: zero. Not sure if I’d consider it a write off corporate welfare but it’s just and expense they’re already facing so the cash is already there.

PIMF

99 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:57:55pm

re: #93 albusteve

all the way down to the poorhouse…the best schools, the hardiest most innovative population, a manufacturing powerhouse…all in the fucking tank

Aren’t you yourself sucking on America’s tit at the moment while you “choose not to work”?

100 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:58:32pm

re: #93 albusteve

Also:


Damn kids these days need to stay off my lawn!
101 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:58:46pm

Has anyone else noticed conservatives keep bringing up a future Obama VAT tax like its really being planned?

Must be like that dead certain Fairness Doctrine coming for sure…..

102 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:58:48pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t mean to start anything, but have you noticed that when the libs rag on the cons around here, they talk about stuff happening in the last decade, and when the cons rag on the libs, stuff that’s forty years old comes tumbling out of the closets?

//

that’s the track record and nothings changed except they have all become more alike…the feds are out of control, it’s a slow creep that has it’s roots

103 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:59:04pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon
If the neo shit heads have turned it into a shrine it needs to go. We don’t need anything that they can use as a shrine to that mad man.

104 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:59:09pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Palin, at least, does not regard herself as beholden to the GOP in any way shape or form. If she portrays them as out of touch, and bad for values, more people go to her and her pundit-land cabaret.

Which in turn causes more damage to the GOP overall. It’s still a win for the Dems in 2012. Not that I’m a huge fan of that party either, but they’re marginally more palatable than the GOP.

105 Lidane  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:59:15pm

re: #95 eclectic infidel

The story that keeps on giving.

Which is hilarious, because it should have died by now. Trust Palin and Perkins to keep talking about something that would have been forgotten otherwise.

106 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:08pm

re: #93 albusteve

all the way down to the poorhouse…the best schools, the hardiest most innovative population, a manufacturing powerhouse…all in the fucking tank

Spare me. Half the reason we lost manufacturing in this country was to maintain the greedy lifestyles of the modern day rich. In “the good old days” that you speak of industrialists were happy to have one house in Englewood NJ and one on the Jersey Shore. They ended up all wanting to live like The Johnson family of New Jersey only without the talent.

Greed is not good.

107 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:13pm

re: #101 Linden Arden

Has anyone else noticed conservatives keep bringing up a future Obama VAT tax like its really being planned?

Must be like that dead certain Fairness Doctrine coming for sure…

We’re not going to impose the VAT until we get all the guns.

108 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:18pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Palin, at least, does not regard herself as beholden to the GOP in any way shape or form. If she portrays them as out of touch, and bad for values, more people go to her and her pundit-land cabaret.

Oh, that’s a keeper.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:27pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, I really want to be Iraq circa Saddam,, one party

“I think I’m going to vote…blue…this year.”

“Vote for who you want. This is a free dictatorship.”

(Moon Over Parador. The dictator runs under several different parties, using different colors for his campaign materials.)

110 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:30pm

g’night all.

again.


4 hrs on from last time

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:46pm

re: #68 b_sharp

The religious right needs to become acquainted with reality.

The Religious Right is morally opposed to reality.

112 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:56pm

Speaking of Republicans, money, and sexual escapades (and let’s face it, if you’ve got two of those the third follows, no?):

Sanford pays record ethics fine

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford has paid the largest ethics fine in state history in the wake of an investigation launched after he confessed an affair with an Argentine woman, the State Ethics Commission’s director said Thursday.

113 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:00:59pm

re: #99 recusancy

Aren’t you yourself sucking on America’s tit at the moment while you “choose not to work”?

I’m handicapped…what’s it to you?…I’ve paid plenty into the system…you got a beef with that, spill it

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:01:06pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

I think they used to be called “silk stocking” in NY.

Rockefeller Republicans.

115 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:01:10pm

re: #106 Gus 802

Spare me. Half the reason we lost manufacturing in this country was to maintain the greedy lifestyles of the modern day rich. In “the good old days” that you speak of industrialists were happy to have one house in Englewood NJ and one on the Jersey Shore. They ended up all wanting to live like The Johnson family of New Jersey only without the talent.

Greed is not good.

PIMF Probably shouldn’t have said “spare me.” :)

116 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:01:32pm

re: #93 albusteve

all the way down to the poorhouse…the best schools, the hardiest most innovative population, a manufacturing powerhouse…all in the fucking tank

In 100 years we went from teaching Greek and Latin in high school to teaching remedial reading in college.

117 Bagua  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:01:47pm

Dan Rather is now on PBS innerViews.

118 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:01:54pm

re: #110 wozzablog

you can make it!


/damn I love this image thing.

119 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:02:03pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

That would actually make me personally very happy - and i may actually buy the ensuing video releases….. sequels generally going into the high single digits.

120 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:02:18pm

re: #117 Bagua

Dan Rather is now on PBS innerViews.

who?

121 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:02:23pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

We’re not going to impose the VAT until we get all the guns.

Oh yeah. Obama the gun grabber - forgot that one!

Guns in national parks as of 2010 - weird how he grabs guns I say.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:02:34pm

re: #88 windsagio

I dunno, I love the idea of people choosing squalor. That’s keepin’ it real in spades!

I know some people who’ve chosen squalor. They were all between the ages of 19 and 22.

123 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:02:51pm

re: #117 Bagua

Dan Rather is now on PBS innerViews.

Is he addressing the Throbbing Memo?

124 avanti  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:03:25pm

re: #101 Linden Arden

Has anyone else noticed conservatives keep bringing up a future Obama VAT tax like its really being planned?

Must be like that dead certain Fairness Doctrine coming for sure…

Fox is pushing talk about a 91% top tax bracket because some conservative came up with that figure to reduce the deficient to 3% of GDP in a few years. They don’t make much of a effort to explain it’s a silly hypothetical, the debt GDP ratio has not been that low since Slick Willy. The Fox fans are convinced by now that it’s a Obama plan.

125 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:03:27pm

re: #118 windsagio

I didn’t

:-(


*glowers at SFZ for certain mental images*

126 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:03:30pm

re: #116 The Sanity Inspector

You guys really have to get off this ‘good ol’ days’ thing. People ALWAYS think that, and talk about how the culture has decayed inthe last xxx years.

So unless you think things were better in the year 1700 than now, you might wanna give it a break :P

127 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:03:51pm

re: #117 Bagua
He belongs in the zoo. He’s irrelevant.

128 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #127 pingjockey

lolrandomhate.

129 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:04pm

re: #106 Gus 802

Spare me. Half the reason we lost manufacturing in this country was to maintain the greedy lifestyles of the modern day rich. In “the good old days” that you speak of industrialists were happy to have one house in Englewood NJ and one on the Jersey Shore. They ended up all wanting to live like The Johnson family of New Jersey only without the talent.

Greed is not good.

and just so the union fat cats that drove industry out of the country…it was a nice symbiotic relationship til it went south…there are plenty of wealthy liberals in this country and govt…and they have been grabbing theirs all along….why does Pelosi refuse to let her businesses unionize?

130 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:10pm

re: #113 albusteve

I’m handicapped…what’s it to you?…I’ve paid plenty into the system…you got a beef with that, spill it

Ahh.. It’s different with you. I see. But others choose to be in their situation.

Hypocrisy. Just like all the teabaggers on social security and disability. And the Militia dicks asking for a public defender. Hypocrites all. You have a 40 year old beef with liberals that you will hold on to til the day you die.

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:40pm

re: #127 pingjockey

He belongs in the zoo. He’s irrelevant.

“He belongs in a museum.”

“So do you, Dr. Jones!”

/riff off of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

132 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:41pm

re: #101 Linden Arden

Has anyone else noticed conservatives keep bringing up a future Obama VAT tax like its really being planned?

Must be like that dead certain Fairness Doctrine coming for sure…

I honestly wouldn’t put it past the Dems to do it, in their present high-flying state of mind. Tax the public almost invisibly and almost painlessly? A slam dunk.

133 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:45pm

re: #116 The Sanity Inspector

In 100 years we went from teaching Greek and Latin in high school to teaching remedial reading in college.

our children are so stupid it’s pathetic

134 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:53pm

re: #126 windsagio

You guys really have to get off this ‘good ol’ days’ thing. People ALWAYS think that, and talk about how the culture has decayed inthe last xxx years.

So unless you think things were better in the year 1700 than now, you might wanna give it a break :P

Seriously. We’ve got our problems but look at this graph.

The GDP went straight up from the days of the Great Society. No net affect on the GDP as people would have us think.

135 keloyd  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:05:54pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

OT: Ran across this earlier. Please read the article and let me know what you think. Should this chapel do torn down?

Outcry as chapel built from remains of Hitler’s luxury home becomes Nazi shrine

Tear it down, grind it to dust, take a poo on the dust, chuck the dust in the landfill where no one can trace it. On a close tangent, I wonder if, 6 decades later, the German prohibitions on free speech re Nazis is doing more harm than good. (I do NOT mean that as a leading question, just a regular question.) If public mention of Nazism in any way is forbidden, it mostly is a good, quick way to put the fringe types in prison where they belong. OTOH, one also creates a mystique among certain extremist elements, resulting in places like this becoming shrines.

136 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:06:10pm

re: #113 albusteve

Almost all the handicapped people I work with work, actually. They don’t have to, but in almost every case they want to.

137 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:06:11pm

re: #116 The Sanity Inspector

In 100 years we went from teaching Greek and Latin in high school to teaching remedial reading in college.

100 years ago, a lot smaller percentage of us got to go to high school.

138 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:06:28pm

re: #113 albusteve

So in other words, you feel a great deal of guilt and internal turmoil, and are going to take your guilt-ridden angst out on the rest of us?

Dude - if you need help, as a citizen I do not begrudge you the help you receive from tax money. Perhaps there are taxpayers out there who do, but I bet most of us here aren’t going to get on your case for not being able to work like you used to do.

Try to find more positive things to do with your life than practicing the shooting of fiery darts at those “liberals”.

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #128 windsagio

lolrandomhate.

Random? That’s hardly random given what a FAIL Rather produced.

140 Bagua  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:01pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Is he addressing the Throbbing Memo?

He is wittering on about how the public is now less informed with the internet and the failings of the MSM.

141 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:06pm

re: #129 albusteve

and just so the union fat cats that drove industry out of the country…it was a nice symbiotic relationship til it went south…there are plenty of wealthy liberals in this country and govt…and they have been grabbing theirs all along…why does Pelosi refuse to let her businesses unionize?

Which of Peoli’s business? I think she only has a real estate or property business.

142 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:08pm

re: #128 windsagio
I heard that on a Marx Bros. Movie. “irrelevants are in the zoo”, or something like that.

143 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:29pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

It was years ago, and the level of rage is pretty much out of proportion to what actually happened. That seems to be the way these things go tho’.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:30pm

re: #105 Lidane

Which is hilarious, because it should have died by now. Trust Palin and Perkins to keep talking about something that would have been forgotten otherwise.

Yeah. And this way, the Dems don’t have to look petty for overplaying it.

There are days when I could kiss Sarah Palin.

145 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:44pm

re: #121 Linden Arden

Oh yeah. Obama the gun grabber - forgot that one!

Guns in national parks as of 2010 - weird how he grabs guns I say.

I don’t now too much about garbing guns, but what I do know is that when you do grab a gun twist it so is is not pointing at you :)

146 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:07:47pm

re: #142 pingjockey

heh that makes it awesome>>

147 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:08:00pm

re: #69 brookly red

well if conservative democrats are blue dogs, then liberal republicans like bloomy are what? help me out here…

extinct.

148 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:08:18pm

re: #138 freetoken

I’m having this feeling that he’s just exercising this grumpy old man muscles in order to get ready for the finals.

149 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:08:31pm

re: #93 albusteve

Too much doom and gloom! Social Security paved the way for the great middle class expansion after WW2. My great grand parents were hard scrabble farmers until Social Security. When that was in place, my grand parents were free to have their own careers and families with out supporting the previous generation.

150 Silvergirl  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:08:39pm

I LOVE TONY PERKINS!

His Norman Bates was one of the best movie characters of all time!

(probably already been done, huh?)

151 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:09:23pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

I know some people who’ve chosen squalor. They were all between the ages of 19 and 22.

Squalor…

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:09:55pm

re: #140 Bagua

He is wittering on about how the public is now less informed with the internet and the failings of the MSM.

What a maroon.

153 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:10:23pm

re: #149 prairiefire

Thats the irony kinda. In reality, things are getting better overall. The tide is definitely rising, just the people that were already above the water level aren’t feeling it that much.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:10:35pm

re: #116 The Sanity Inspector

In 100 years we went from teaching Greek and Latin in high school to teaching remedial reading in college.

In 1900, only six percent of appropriately-aged young people in the US graduated from high school. Bogus stat.

155 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:17pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

In 1900, only six percent of appropriately-aged young people in the US graduated from high school. Bogus stat.

but all of them could read.

156 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:26pm

re: #130 recusancy

Ahh.. It’s different with you. I see. But others choose to be in their situation.

Hypocrisy. Just like all the teabaggers on social security and disability. And the Militia dicks asking for a public defender. Hypocrites all. You have a 40 year old beef with liberals that you will hold on to til the day you die.

so what?…look in a mirror you bot, we are all living off the govt teat one way or another…got your tax return back yet?…I don’t give a shit about parties, or ideology…I care about results…teabaggers and militias mean nothing to me…I couls care less about Palin and Beck like the rest of these infatuated posters….I care about my money and my taxes and my future

157 sagehen  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:46pm

re: #69 brookly red

well if conservative democrats are blue dogs, then liberal republicans like bloomy are what? help me out here…

Pink elephants.

158 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:47pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. And this way, the Dems don’t have to look petty for overplaying it.

There are days when I could kiss Sarah Palin.

But they’re going to blame the liberals for overplaying it.

This happens all the time. Especially if it involves s.e.x.

159 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:51pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Palin, at least, does not regard herself as beholden to the GOP in any way shape or form. If she portrays them as out of touch, and bad for values, more people go to her and her pundit-land cabaret.

True, but at the same time she wants to string everyone on as long as possible on the matter of her 2012 candidacy. So there are concrete limits to how much she’ll slam the gop.

160 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:58pm

re: #155 brookly red

but all of them could read.

among the 6% - probably.

161 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:12:18pm

re: #156 albusteve

and your anti-government position doesn’t strike you as inconsistant at all?

162 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:12:44pm

re: #150 Silvergirl

I LOVE TONY PERKINS!

His Norman Bates was one of the best movie characters of all time!

(probably already been done, huh?)

Worth an upding even if so

163 Bagua  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:12:51pm

Rather is babbling on non-sensibly about 911 and how Bush/Cheney abused their powers. If only he was heroic enough, he would have exposed their horrors at the time, some such nonsense. He sounds shaken and delusional.

164 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:13:29pm

re: #138 freetoken

So in other words, you feel a great deal of guilt and internal turmoil, and are going to take your guilt-ridden angst out on the rest of us?

Dude - if you need help, as a citizen I do not begrudge you the help you receive from tax money. Perhaps there are taxpayers out there who do, but I bet most of us here aren’t going to get on your case for not being able to work like you used to do.

Try to find more positive things to do with your life than practicing the shooting of fiery darts at those “liberals”.

what a bunch of drama…I have no guilt, I beat the system and I’ll remember you the next time I mix a martini…thanks

165 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:13:45pm

I haven’t played with the image thingy yet, here goes…

Image: Suncheon,+Buddhist+Temple+%289%29.jpg

Image: Suncheon,+Buddhist+Temple+%287%29.jpg

Image: 27910018.jpg

166 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:13:49pm

Question: Did Nancy Pelosi get wage breaks and tax credits for the American Samoan operations of a company in which her husband owns $17 million worth of stock?

Answer: This widely e-mailed claim is false. Pelosi’s husband doesn’t own that stock, despite what a bogus Wikipedia entry briefly claimed. Furthermore, American Samoa never got the minimum wage exemption it sought.

167 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:01pm

ok really. now. i am gone.


PEACE (or not)

168 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:07pm

DF you summoned me?

169 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:09pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

In 1900, only six percent of appropriately-aged young people in the US graduated from high school. Bogus stat.

Letter to Abraham Lincoln from a German immigrant.

Your Excellency will observe in this my writing that I am not very well versed in the English language, and if there should be found a word which is not right, pardon it, and never such a word shall be construed so as if I would offend your Excellency or the people; for I love my country, the Constitution, and the Union, and I try to be always a loyal citizen.

170 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:12pm

re: #163 Bagua

Rather is babbling on non-sensibly about 911 and how Bush/Cheney abused their powers. If only he was heroic enough, he would have exposed their horrors at the time, some such nonsense. He sounds shaken and delusional.

you or I would be in “assisted living” …

171 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:19pm

re: #167 wozzablog

Don’t look back!

172 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:42pm

And another ME-109 goes down!

/

173 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:14:58pm

re: #169 Alouette

Germans in the 19th century (and now) were and are exceptionally well educated :p

174 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:16pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Fucking factcheck.org

175 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:26pm

re: #148 windsagio

I’m having this feeling that he’s just exercising this grumpy old man muscles in order to get ready for the finals.

I’m hardly done yet…I have chits I can call in…hahaha!

176 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #163 Bagua

Rather is babbling on non-sensibly about 911 and how Bush/Cheney abused their powers. If only he was heroic enough, he would have exposed their horrors at the time, some such nonsense. He sounds shaken and delusional.

Probably the best smackdown ever delivered to Rather. It’s a few years old, but given what you just said it’s still on point:

I’m Rather Grateful by Jonah Goldberg

177 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:43pm

re: seeing an upding from wozza in the spy

Aww, you looked!

178 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:50pm

re: #149 prairiefire

Too much doom and gloom! Social Security paved the way for the great middle class expansion after WW2. My great grand parents were hard scrabble farmers until Social Security. When that was in place, my grand parents were free to have their own careers and families with out supporting the previous generation.

Social Security gives rise to the modern middle class? Amazing, you will want to provide a citation or two for that one. Is this a footnote or is this, in your opinion, the driving factor?

179 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:58pm

re: #156 albusteve

so what?…look in a mirror you bot, we are all living off the govt teat one way or another…got your tax return back yet?…I don’t give a shit about parties, or ideology…I care about results…teabaggers and militias mean nothing to me…I couls care less about Palin and Beck like the rest of these infatuated posters…I care about my money and my taxes and my future

You DO give a shit about parties and ideology or you wouldn’t spend your time here (which could be spent working) going on anti government rants and telling kids to get off your lawn (unless that kid has a check from the government for your disability). So don’t pretend like you don’t give a shit. That’s a cop out. You want yours jack and fuck the rest.

180 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:15:59pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

Fucking factcheck.org

It’s a Soros run operation!111!!

They lie!

/

181 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:16:03pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Cycle of life.

You could go back to the atrocities created by the capitalists, that caused the swing to the left, which created the unions, those unions became overbearing creating a swing to the right, back and forth.

Republicans with their wars against Americas’ enemies and bedroom activities.
Democrats warring against our rights and wallets.

Back and forth.

182 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:16:08pm

re: #167 wozzablog

ok really. now. i am gone.

PEACE (or not)

I see you up there, peeking through the stair rails!

183 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:16:25pm

re: #175 albusteve

I like you when you’re like this really. Its fun to try to parse out if you’re just saying randomly aggressive crap to get a reaction, or if you’re actually thinking this way.

Its fun to have a good puzzle.

184 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:16:54pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

100 years ago, a lot smaller percentage of us got to go to high school.


Socialism!

185 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:17:13pm

*busted*

humbug.


humbug to all.

186 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:17:13pm

Anyone watch Palin’s interview show on Fox tonight consisting of interviews with people she never interviewed?

187 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:17:24pm

re: #179 recusancy

or he’s just trying to piss people off (I think there’s a word for that, when it happens on the internet. Slips my mind tho’)

Gotta try to not feed him by letting it get to you :P

188 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:17:56pm

re: #116 The Sanity Inspector

In 100 years we went from teaching Greek and Latin in high school to teaching remedial reading in college.

That’s a misconception, albeit a common one. A hundred years ago high school was a luxury in much of this country, one that a significant part of the population couldn’t afford, or ignored, or wasn’t even available to them.

You can’t really think that a larger % of the population studied foreign languages 100 years ago compared to today.

189 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:18:04pm

re: #178 The Shadow Do

Social Security gives rise to the modern middle class? Amazing, you will want to provide a citation or two for that one. Is this a footnote or is this, in your opinion, the driving factor?

/well look you give 15% of what you make to a ponzie scheme and Poof you go from rich to middle class… I think the statement was accurate.

190 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:18:14pm

re: #185 wozzablog

*busted*

humbug.

humbug to all.

Weakness.

Better strength to you!

191 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:18:23pm

I see Drudge is upset about Michelle’s vegetable garden again.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:18:29pm

re: #151 The Sanity Inspector

Squalor…

Now that’s a whole ball of wax on its own. I have some friends who struggle with that kind of squalor. Bad stuff.

193 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:18:32pm

re: #188 palomino

Also we realized that Ancient Greek and Latin are largely irrelevant to education :P

194 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:18:33pm

re: #178 The Shadow Do

Social Security gives rise to the modern middle class? Amazing, you will want to provide a citation or two for that one. Is this a footnote or is this, in your opinion, the driving factor?

Here’s a quick scenario for you.

Suppose you’re a middle class family. You’re the child of two parent who are at retirement age but have no retirement pensions or funds of any kind. There is also no Social Security.

Keeping in mind that you’re middle class. What do you do now?

195 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:01pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Now that’s a whole ball of wax on its own. I have some friends who struggle with that kind of squalor. Bad stuff.

Obsessive hoarders?

196 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:05pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout
Nope. Watched NCIS and have been here with y’all. Did Fox think they were being sneaky with that show? Did she really interview any of the guests at all?

197 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:08pm

re: #165 The Sanity Inspector

The first 2 loaded very slowly—I dropped them. Other files have loaded OK recently.

198 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:09pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Amongst the things I’ll never show, are pictures of what my room looks like.

199 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:12pm

We’re almost 13 trillion dollars in debt. We’ll be 20 trillion in debt by conservative bean counting. In the next couple of years, we will literally not have the money to pay the interest on our debt - we’ll have to borrow for the interest. Meanwhile, outrage at Obama bowing to foreign leaders. And outrage at Palin for using the word, “crosshairs”. Good grief.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:15pm

re: #155 brookly red

but all of them could read.

The ones who graduated? Presumably, yes. But I’m willing to take a bet that at least six percent of present-day high school graduates can also read.

201 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:04pm

re: #161 windsagio

and your anti-government position doesn’t strike you as inconsistant at all?

why should it….why should my mom not be able to collect my dads SS til she passes?…why should the feds tax me for my inheritance?…why should the IRS have the power to put entire families on the street for back taxes…I’ve earned plenty of money and I’ve paid plenty of taxes…now it’s payback time

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:10pm

re: #156 albusteve

so what?…look in a mirror you bot, we are all living off the govt teat one way or another…got your tax return back yet?…I don’t give a shit about parties, or ideology…I care about results…teabaggers and militias mean nothing to me…I couls care less about Palin and Beck like the rest of these infatuated posters…I care about my money and my taxes and my future

How does getting a tax return mean you’re ‘living off the government teat’? It’s your own money.

203 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:15pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I see Drudge is upset about Michelle’s vegetable garden again.

Hahaha!

This one is great:

Satan behind media attacks on the Pope, asserts Italian exorcist!

So he went from blaming evil within the Holy See to now blaming satan for being behind the media attacks.

Scratch me please. Is it 2010 or 1510?

204 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I see Drudge is upset about Michelle’s vegetable garden again.

/she is planting bok choy & wanted arugela… obviously the marriage is on the rocks ;)

205 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:27pm

re: #198 windsagio

ditto. but it’s my life.

206 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:37pm

re: #201 albusteve

Ok, I figured. Just checking to be fair :D

207 sagehen  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:20:46pm

re: #75 albusteve

here’s a heads up for you…there will always be poor people, people that choose squalor over substance…children with no functioning parents who line up for their eternal handout…thanks mostly to liberal legislation and policy since WW2…liberals subsidize the poor for their votes and as far as I’m concerned that’s racist…Affirmative Action is a perfect example…you want idea’s?…put people to work…if you can force a citizen to buy health insurance, connect the dots


Oh, sure, there were no poor before WWII. None at all. It was paradise on earth before those meddling liberals got involved, damn that Teddy Roosevelt and everyone who ever followed his lead. People sent their 6-year-olds into sweatshops and mines because they were ambitious! Families were saving up capital to start their own capitalist enterprises. And the free market kept slaughterhouses clean, and shirtwaist factories never had any safety problems before those nanny-staters imposed all those onerous job-killing regulations.

208 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:21:01pm

re: #181 swamprat


Republicans with their wars against Americas’ enemies and bedroom activities.
Democrats warring against our rights and wallets.

Back and forth.

And depending on the particular circumstance, the above labels and deeds can be interchanged.

209 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:21:07pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #195 recusancy

I had that show on and thought my husband would be interested. Nope, he started to feel defensive. You should see his shit…..

210 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:21:16pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

The ones who graduated? Presumably, yes. But I’m willing to take a bet that at least six percent of present-day high school graduates can also read.

well in NYC it has got to be at least 8%…

211 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:21:20pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I see Drudge is upset about Michelle’s vegetable garden again.

Why do you say that? What are you referring to?

212 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:21:23pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

my rule is “Nothing that will rot”,

oh and also, ‘make sure there’s enough room on the floor to sleep (no I don’t have a bed, getting one soon tho :p)

213 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:21:45pm

re: #168 LudwigVanQuixote

DF you summoned me?

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

OT: Ran across this earlier. Please read the article and let me know what you think. Should this chapel do torn down?

Outcry as chapel built from remains of Hitler’s luxury home becomes Nazi shrine

214 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:22:35pm

re: #208 eclectic infidel

And depending on the particular circumstance, the above labels and deeds can be interchanged.


T’was ever thus.

215 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:22:59pm

re: #211 cliffster

Why do you say that? What are you referring to?

Drudge is linking to:

FIRST LADY BACK TO GARDEN: BOK CHOY ON THE MENU…

Michelle Milquetoast…

Sad people have no lives.

216 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:23:05pm

Moonrise over the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

• • •

Politics, the realm where everyone is mad at everyone else, anymore.

Feh.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:23:23pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Anyone watch Palin’s interview show on Fox tonight consisting of interviews with people she never interviewed?

No. I’m just not that interested in what LL Cool J had to say in 2008.

218 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:23:31pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

100 years ago, a lot smaller percentage of us got to go to high school.

So?

219 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:23:37pm

re: #216 Ojoe

Hey now, the current situation was very carefully crafted :P

220 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:23:43pm

my 2-cents on this whole Repubs are evil, Dems are great thing….

In every conglomeration, you get 5-10% (or less) people who are out there talking…. or going to tea parties…. or doing anything. Likewise for Dems.

There is a silent majority who are, historically, pretty level headed and thoughtful. And, this silent majority on both sides of the aisle are sitting here watching the loudmouths.

This means that, despite what we read on the internet, there are a lot of silent, thoughtful Americans thinking about what is going on. They all watch both sides and are thinking about what is important and what it is they must do for their families.

And meanwhile, there is no end to the chatter… whether it is network TV, Cable TV or internet blogs.

Americans are pretty aligned generally and know what is right and good.

We don’t need anyone to tell us what is right.

I think a lot of people will be surprised to see this current effort in government brought to a halt shortly.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:00pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I see Drudge is upset about Michelle’s vegetable garden again.

What now? They wanted the golden beets, not the purple ones?

222 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:13pm

re: #179 recusancy

You DO give a shit about parties and ideology or you wouldn’t spend your time here (which could be spent working) going on anti government rants and telling kids to get off your lawn (unless that kid has a check from the government for your disability). So don’t pretend like you don’t give a shit. That’s a cop out. You want yours jack and fuck the rest.

and you are a presumptuous ass…write another post, only better this time…and yes, I want what’s mine, only an idiot wouldn’t….and thanks for your donation

223 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:18pm

OK, checking Fox for the Palin show - I’m early. It’s Bill O with people on talking about Obama’s religion.

They lost me, I’m not going back.

224 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:35pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I’ve not checked Drudge for some time, so checked out his site on your egging… I see that the headlines are pimping for the Pope. That, and by skimming the headlines, I get the feel that Drudge is moving closer and closer to WND.

I’m trying to remember if Drudge was always like that. I remember the blue flashing light of years gone by, and the Clinton stuff. I seem to remember that back then Drudge was more into the DC scandal circuit.

225 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:37pm

re: #211 cliffster

He has a few headlines up about her growing foreign vegetables and being “Milquetoast”. Last year he claimed her veg garden was fake because the vegetables grew too fast and the “official” outline didn’t include sweet potatoes.

226 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:38pm

re: #195 recusancy

Obsessive hoarders?

Obsessive hoarders who can’t bear to throw out a pizza box or a soft drink cup “because you never know when it might come in handy”

My mother-in-law was an obsessive hoarder, but she didn’t save pizza boxes.

Now grocery bags, different category altogether. Paper and plastic.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:24:42pm

re: #195 recusancy

Obsessive hoarders?

Yeah. It’s pretty rough stuff. One of them is kind of in recovery, the other is staying put.

228 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:25:09pm

re: #216 Ojoe

Moonrise over the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

• • •

Politics, the realm where everyone is mad at everyone else, anymore.

Feh.



When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.
— P. J. O’Rourke

229 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:25:20pm

re: #75 albusteve

…there will always be poor people, people that choose squalor over substance…children with no functioning parents who line up for their eternal handout…

How about those who don’t choose squalor over substance but are forced into it by an accident of birth, whether that be race, disability, a dysfunction like autism, abuse, drug addiction or something as equally as debilitating?

Do you really believe most poor people are poor because they choose to be?

I don’t know what reality you live in but getting ahead in life doesn’t just take a little determination combined with some spit and elbow grease for everyone. The idea that anyone can do well in this society if they’d only try a little harder is pure bull shit.

The idea that a few people down and out roaming our communities doesn’t detract from everyone’s life in society is naive.

Attempting to elevate people from poverty affects all of us, it lowers violence, it lowers crime, and it lowers drug and other addictions all of which cost us financially and emotionally.

230 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:25:32pm

re: #193 windsagio

Also we realized that Ancient Greek and Latin are largely irrelevant to education :P

Bufo.

231 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:25:59pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Here’s a quick scenario for you.

Suppose you’re a middle class family. You’re the child of two parent who are at retirement age but have no retirement pensions or funds of any kind. There is also no Social Security.

Keeping in mind that you’re middle class. What do you do now?

Huh? They cease to be middle class?

232 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:26:25pm

re: #199 cliffster

We’re almost 13 trillion dollars in debt. We’ll be 20 trillion in debt by conservative bean counting. In the next couple of years, we will literally not have the money to pay the interest on our debt - we’ll have to borrow for the interest. Meanwhile, outrage at Obama bowing to foreign leaders. And outrage at Palin for using the word, “crosshairs”. Good grief.

yes, Palin is a threat to the balance of life as we know it…hahaha!

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:26:31pm

re: #207 sagehen

Oh, sure, there were no poor before WWII. None at all. It was paradise on earth before those meddling liberals got involved, damn that Teddy Roosevelt and everyone who ever followed his lead. People sent their 6-year-olds into sweatshops and mines because they were ambitious! Families were saving up capital to start their own capitalist enterprises. And the free market kept slaughterhouses clean, and shirtwaist factories never had any safety problems before those nanny-staters imposed all those onerous job-killing regulations.

After a few girls were killed in factory fires, the free market regulated that right away…

Oh, yeah. It didn’t.

234 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:26:36pm

Has Rush Limbaugh left for Costa Rica yet?

235 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:26:38pm

re: #224 freetoken


I’m trying to remember if Drudge was always like that. I remember the blue flashing light of years gone by, and the Clinton stuff. I seem to remember that back then Drudge was more into the DC scandal circuit.


It’s hard to tell what happened. He might not even run the site anymore. He might have ODS. Anything is possible.

236 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:26:55pm

re: #231 The Shadow Do

that’s creepily cold.

237 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:27:14pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

The first 2 loaded very slowly—I dropped them. Other files have loaded OK recently.

Wonder if they were too big.

238 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:27:16pm

re: #229 b_sharp

How about those who don’t choose squalor over substance but are forced into it by an accident of birth, whether that be race, disability, a dysfunction like autism, abuse, drug addiction or something as equally as debilitating?

Do you really believe most poor people are poor because they choose to be?

I don’t know what reality you live in but getting ahead in life doesn’t just take a little determination combined with some spit and elbow grease for everyone. The idea that anyone can do well in this society if they’d only try a little harder is pure bull shit.

The idea that a few people down and out roaming our communities doesn’t detract from everyone’s life in society is naive.

Attempting to elevate people from poverty affects all of us, it lowers violence, it lowers crime, and it lowers drug and other addictions all of which cost us financially and emotionally.

Don’t you believe that all fat people choose to be fat? Of course the insurance companies have a right to reject people on the basis of BMI. Those height and weight charts from the 1920’s are sacred!

//

239 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:27:44pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

I felt very bad for the 40ish bachelor, “Chris”, on the show. He had kept his phsychosis hidden very well, but he was really, really, jacked up in the head.

240 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:27:53pm

re: #236 windsagio

that’s creepily cold.

On second thought, take em out to Dennys for dinner and ditch em.

241 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:28:07pm

re: #199 cliffster

The huge debt is the elephant in the room, of which few are talking.

242 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:28:14pm

re: #231 The Shadow Do

Huh? They cease to be middle class?

You can say that. What happens then is that you have to take care of your parents far more financial then would had SS not been available. They would most likely have to house, feed, clothe them, etc. So both the children’s and parents standard of living declines.

Now, as far as the SS debt and solvency issues that’s a different issue.

243 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:28:30pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

He has a few headlines up about her growing foreign vegetables and being “Milquetoast”. Last year he claimed her veg garden was fake because the vegetables grew too fast and the “official” outline didn’t include sweet potatoes.

Drudge only has links.

iirc

244 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:28:37pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder

Has Rush Limbaugh left for Costa Rica yet?

no but he has put a down-payment on it and is close to closing…

245 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:28:53pm

re: #242 Gus 802

You can say that. What happens then is that you have to take care of your parents far more financial then would had SS not been available. They would most likely have to house, feed, clothe them, etc. So both the children’s and parents standard of living declines.

Now, as far as the SS debt and solvency issues that’s a different issue.


what in the heck is your point?

246 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:28:59pm

re: #241 Ojoe

The problem is that its a dead end. None of our politicians are willing to do anything necessary to actually fix it, so it really comes down to juts more political hay.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:29:12pm

re: #169 Alouette

And a mere hundred years before, Benjamin Franklin was fretting about German-language schools in the U.S., and how these foreign types would never assimilate.

Round and round we go!!!

248 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:29:13pm

re: #188 palomino

That’s a misconception, albeit a common one. A hundred years ago high school was a luxury in much of this country, one that a significant part of the population couldn’t afford, or ignored, or wasn’t even available to them.

You can’t really think that a larger % of the population studied foreign languages 100 years ago compared to today.

We’ve got free universal public education in this country. Why shouldn’t high school graduates be able to read?

249 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:29:41pm

re: #243 Racer X

Drudge only has links.

iirc

He re-words them.

He turned this:

Michelle Obama’s garden-variety agenda

Into this:

Michelle Milquetoast…

250 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:29:46pm

re: #241 Ojoe

The huge debt is the elephant in the room, of which few are talking.

hey!
RECOVERY!

251 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #220 WindHorse

I think a lot of people will be surprised to see this current effort in government brought to a halt shortly.

From your keyboard to God’s monitor!

252 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:30:05pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Drudge is linking to:

FIRST LADY BACK TO GARDEN: BOK CHOY ON THE MENU…

Michelle Milquetoast…

Sad people have no lives.

Oh, I see it - the Milquetoast link. Here’s a quote:

Also hard to imagine is that this is the same Michelle Obama so many feared when her husband ran for the presidency in 2008. Then, many predicted that she would be an angry and divisive presence in the White House, based largely on unfounded racial accusations on the Internet and her poorly worded boast during the primaries that “for the first time in my adult life, I’m really proud of my country.”

The entire article seems to say, hey, Michelle isn’t the evil thing you all said she would be. Why is that bad? Am I missing something?

253 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:30:14pm

re: #246 windsagio

/Even the useless things, like our military spending, can’t be cut because it would destroy the economies of large parts of the country.

254 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:30:38pm

re: #218 The Sanity Inspector

So?

We are not becoming more poorly educated. Neither of my wife’s parents went to high school. She has a couple years of college. Our children include a high school teacher and a software engineer. The tales of American decay grow old.

255 shiplord kirel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:30:59pm

re: #149 prairiefire

Too much doom and gloom! Social Security paved the way for the great middle class expansion after WW2. My great grand parents were hard scrabble farmers until Social Security. When that was in place, my grand parents were free to have their own careers and families with out supporting the previous generation.

The GI Bill gets my vote for the single most beneficial government program in history. It allowed millions of young people to go to college who would otherwise not have gone.
It transformed the educational landscape in this country. Before the GI Bill, you had to be at least affluent, or a very good athlete, to go to college at all. Afterward, millions who had already learned the hard way about discipline and hard work could, and did, go.
Today, we have Pell grants and the rest of the vast panoply of financial aid, but it was the GI Bill that really set the stage for these. We would not even have had the professors to meet the demand when these programs were introduced if not for the huge number of veterans who pursued their educations all the way to tenure. When I was in college in the early 70s, it seemed as though every other prof was a WW2 vet and a GI Bill beneficiary. This was at an Ivy League school, too, and it must have been even more important in public universities.

256 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #245 The Shadow Do

what in the heck is your point?

That SS is good for the middle class and helps them to maintain a higher standard of living by allowing the parents to be independent.

257 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:31:11pm

re: #207 sagehen

When my gramps worked at the KCStar he met Upton Sinclair, once.capitalcentury.com

258 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:31:21pm

re: #250 albusteve

Almost no construction crews are working in my area even now.

259 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:31:52pm

re: #252 cliffster

The entire article seems to say, hey, Michelle isn’t the evil thing you all said she would be. Why is that bad? Am I missing something?

The article are for the most part mild. It’s the way the idiot Matt Drudge re-words them.

Unless of course you like old Drudge that links to the anti-Semite Alex Jones at Infowars and Pat Buchanan.

260 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:31:52pm

re: #256 Gus 802

That SS is good for the middle class and helps them to maintain a higher standard of living by allowing the parents to be independent.

well whatever… it’s broke.

261 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:32:36pm

re: #260 brookly red

well whatever… it’s broke.

It’s not.

262 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:32:39pm

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:32:39pm

re: #218 The Sanity Inspector

So?

So nothing. If you’re willing to let the high-school teachers of America teach only a small percentage of the population, consisting solely of intelligent, affluent children, I’m sure we can put Greek and Latin back on the menu.

264 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:04pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

“WTF is Bok Choy?”

265 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:04pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder

yes… I think he has an extra bedroom above the garage for you….

266 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:07pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

We are not becoming more poorly educated. Neither of my wife’s parents went to high school. She has a couple years of college. Our children include a high school teacher and a software engineer. The tales of American decay grow old.

DING. And real world.

267 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:08pm

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

Never pick a fight with a teacher about education.

268 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:09pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

After a few girls were killed in factory fires, the free market regulated that right away…

Oh, yeah. It didn’t.

The six most horrific bosses of all time. (Triangle Shirtwaist owners are #2)

269 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:10pm

re: #260 brookly red

well whatever… it’s broke.

Yeah, well that’s what happens when we try to be the world’s Dudley Do-Right with such frequency.

Oh no, wait. I forgot. It’s not that it’s the “welfare moms.”

270 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:11pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

He has a few headlines up about her growing foreign vegetables and being “Milquetoast”. Last year he claimed her veg garden was fake because the vegetables grew too fast and the “official” outline didn’t include sweet potatoes.

Hmm, ok. I went there and all I saw was stuff that ranged from, “quit freaking out about Michelle” to stuff that was very positive about her garden. So maybe I’m missing something. If so, I want to know - cliffster not down with people dogging the gardeners.

271 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:31pm

re: #249 Gus 802

He re-words them.

He turned this:

Michelle Obama’s garden-variety agenda

Into this:

Michelle Milquetoast…

I think that came from within the article that was linked.

Compared with those expectations of a fiery first lady, Obama, beginning her second spring in the White House, has turned out to be Michelle Milquetoast. Her low profile has been one of the big surprises of the Obama presidency, even to officials in the West Wing, who have noted what they regard as her light schedule.

272 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:33:38pm

Gardeners in the White House
Change!

273 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:03pm

re: #271 Racer X

Oh I missed that. This place is going so fast.

274 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:04pm

re: #208 eclectic infidel

And depending on the particular circumstance, the above labels and deeds can be interchanged.

And none of them completely “bad”.

Nixon the unmitigated asshole opened trade with China/to the benefit of both countries.
Carter the economy “malaiser”, had his stand on human rights.
Reagan the union killer, had his Berlin wall. And he got our economy back on track.
Clinton gutted our military which, while leaving us in the lurch years later, effectively balanced our budget and put social security back on track. Plus he bit the bullet and engaged in a very unpopular action in east europe, saving the lives of many muslims. He never got credit. He did it because it was RIGHT.

275 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:05pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Jefferson would be very interested in the new (to him) plants !

276 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:17pm

re: #258 Ojoe

Almost no construction crews are working in my area even now.

oh that’s too bad we are building lot’s of cool new hi-rises that can sit next to the other new empty hi-rises that no one can afford to rent.

277 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:19pm

Whatever. Fuck Drudge.

278 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:25pm

re: #147 palomino

extinct.

Well aside from the mayor of NYCre: #191 Killgore Trout

I see Drudge is upset about Michelle’s vegetable garden again.

As someone so deftly pointed out over the weekend…all of this “healthy eating” stuff is so pretentious.

279 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:26pm

re: #258 Ojoe

Almost no construction crews are working in my area even now.

One of my clients is a contractor. Busy.

280 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:31pm

re: #275 Ojoe

Jefferson would be very interested in the new (to him) plants !

RINO!
/

281 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:32pm

re: #241 Ojoe

The huge debt is the elephant in the room, of which few are talking.

It’s only money, business will be more than happy to cough up as much as we need.

/ “IHATEYOUIHATEYOUIHATEYOU can I have my allowance now?”

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:35pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder

Has Rush Limbaugh left for Costa Rica yet?

Alas, no word on that.

I bet he’s gonna break his word, like all those Hollywood stars in 2004.

283 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:40pm

re: #248 The Sanity Inspector

We’ve got free universal public education in this country. Why shouldn’t high school graduates be able to read?

The vast majority of HS graduates CAN read, operate a computer, do basic math, even locate a few states on a map.

I didn’t say our education system was consistently great. But it’s a hell of a lot better, with much greater access, than what existed 100 years ago. As for reading, the literacy rate was much lower 100 years ago than today.

284 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:42pm

re: #259 Gus 802

The article are for the most part mild. It’s the way the idiot Matt Drudge re-words them.

Unless of course you like old Drudge that links to the anti-Semite Alex Jones at Infowars and Pat Buchanan.

… and are therefore undoubtedly a NAZI!

285 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:49pm

re: #75 albusteve

here’s a heads up for you…there will always be poor people, people that choose squalor over substance…children with no functioning parents who line up for their eternal handout…thanks mostly to liberal legislation and policy since WW2…liberals subsidize the poor for their votes and as far as I’m concerned that’s racist…Affirmative Action is a perfect example…you want idea’s?…put people to work…if you can force a citizen to buy health insurance, connect the dots

Yeah but as soon as you bring up “National Service” people on the far Right start screaming about “Socialism.” If your collecting welfare or unemployment you should at the very least be picking up trash off the sides of the highway 10-20 hours a week. Others could be semi-permanently employed in their transportation or in operating day care centers for their kids and thus gain work experience. Still others could be funneled into apprentice trade programs (gasp UNIONS!!!!) and find permanent employment.

It would be relatively easy, and even less costly than paying people to sit at home on their asses. But doing that would be more “big government” and according to all the right wing sites would also be used to indoctrinate people into socialist values…sigh.

WTF is wrong with the right these days, they used to campaign on this shit and it was always the Lefties who opposed it!

286 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:34:50pm

re: #242 Gus 802

You can say that. What happens then is that you have to take care of your parents far more financial then would had SS not been available. They would most likely have to house, feed, clothe them, etc. So both the children’s and parents standard of living declines.

Now, as far as the SS debt and solvency issues that’s a different issue.

Parents would actually live in the same house with their children. And their children were privileged to take care of them!

287 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:11pm

re: #276 brookly red

Madness construction.

Passive solar homes would be better.

288 keloyd  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:12pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

He was part of the conspiracy. Even then, he served potatoes fried “in the French way,” yup, French fries, even then.

289 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:27pm

re: #268 Alouette

Trying to find that old “Life is hell” comic about types of bosses.

290 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:30pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

GOOD !

291 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:51pm

re: #258 Ojoe

Almost no construction crews are working in my area even now.

the Stimulus has been a bust…the people that believe otherwise are more deluded that Climate Change deniers…G Beck is more important in that we are reaching critical mass in terms of what’s important….the economy will try to struggle up without federal help because that is it’s nature…but as for me, the worst may be yet to come….but with bots running wild and the MSM it will probably be some else’s fault…the feds have done almost nothing right imo

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:57pm

re: #248 The Sanity Inspector

We’ve got free universal public education in this country. Why shouldn’t high school graduates be able to read?

That’s a different question. But comparing current schools with those a hundred years ago is apples and hamburgers.

293 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:35:57pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

What? No tobacco?

294 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:36:14pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

Given what an enthusiast he was for plant breeding and wine grape growing, he’d be very happy to hear that. Jefferson was a man of many talents, and its was the way he was always working on something that probably kept him alive as long as he did.

295 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:36:30pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

order take out Chinese!??!

296 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:36:40pm

re: #264 ShaunP

“WTF is Bok Choy?”

“Chinese” cabbage. (Actually Korean)

297 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:37:01pm

re: #286 Alouette

Parents would actually live in the same house with their children. And their children were privileged to take care of them!

Back when it could done that was fine. Now that’s a different story.

298 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:37:05pm

re: #259 Gus 802

The article are for the most part mild. It’s the way the idiot Matt Drudge re-words them.

Unless of course you like old Drudge that links to the anti-Semite Alex Jones at Infowars and Pat Buchanan.

I don’t give a shit about Matt Drudge. I don’t think anyone else should, either.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:37:22pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Bok Choy and other communist New World Order vegetables are growing in the White House. What would Thomas Jefferson think?

I think he’d be pleased. He had Sally Heming’s brother trained as a French chef in Paris so he could introduce real cuisine in the states. If he’d known about Bok Choy, I’m sure he would have tried to grow some.

300 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:37:40pm

re: #284 Racer X

… and are therefore undoubtedly a NAZI!

No. Meaning that Matt Drudge is stupid enough to link to those creeps.

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:38:02pm

re: #267 windsagio

Never pick a fight with a teacher about education.

We’re CRABBY.

Actually, I’m not crabby. I’m on vacation! Happy Holy Thursday everybody!!

302 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:38:25pm

re: #261 recusancy

It’s not.

delawareonline.com

oh, but it is…

303 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:38:49pm

re: #298 cliffster

I don’t give a shit about Matt Drudge. I don’t think anyone else should, either.

From what I can tell, the site is just a collection of linked articles. There is no commentary on the site.

304 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:39:09pm

Let me try the image widget again, with some smaller pictures:

Image: 230px-Statue_of_Yi_Sunsin_-_Cropped.JPG

Image: White+Moustached+Portia+Spider.jpg

Image: Pete_Townshend.jpg

305 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:39:18pm

re: #278 bratwurst

Bloomberg left the GOP 3 years ago. Like I said, liberal republicans are extinct.

306 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:39:33pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

I liked this….

Jefferson was passionate about peas; he grew 22 varieties, and challenged his neighbors to a competition every spring to see who could get the first English pea to the table


Give peas a chance!

307 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:40:14pm

re: #303 Racer X

From what I can tell, the site is just a collection of linked articles. There is no commentary on the site.

/please… give hate a chance :)

308 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:40:36pm

Speaking of gardens, ours is now fairly complete. Still have some sprouts needing to go in the ground, but there’s a summer feast in the wait in a little 8X16 suburban plot. And the kids are now on pins and needles waiting for it.

309 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:41:01pm

re: #304 The Sanity Inspector

Okay, I see what the problem is. It doesn’t like hot links to images hosted on blogspot. Well, so much for pimping my photo-blog this way, then…

310 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:41:06pm

our kids are well adjusted little geniuses, the schools are fine, university is for anyone who wants to go…14% unemployment is no cause for alarm…10+ trillion in debt is no problem…Mexico is a friendly country that would never harm us…it will eventually rain endlessly out west, and HRC is a very attractive woman….yup

311 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:41:14pm

re: #304 The Sanity Inspector

First and third came up in seconds—the second did not in a minute or so.

312 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:41:46pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I liked this…


Give peas a chance!

re: #307 brookly red

/please… give hate a chance :)

Random quotes are random… :D

313 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:42:51pm

re: #308 cliffster

Speaking of gardens, ours is now fairly complete. Still have some sprouts needing to go in the ground, but there’s a summer feast in the wait in a little 8X16 suburban plot. And the kids are now on pins and needles waiting for it.

We cheated - bought a bunch of small vegetable plants and put them in pots and in the ground in the yard. I’ve got little black watering hoses going everywhere in the yard now. Looks like licorice spaghetti!

314 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:42:51pm

Visualize whirled peas

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:42:55pm

re: #268 Alouette

The six most horrific bosses of all time. (Triangle Shirtwaist owners are #2)

J. Edgar Hoover was the first director of the FBI, from 1935 until 1972, and he was crazy for every minute of it.

I just saw Public Enemies. Lousy movie, but the guy playing Hoover was fun.

316 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:00pm

OT, Spaceballs is on AMC. Yaaay humor.

317 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:06pm

re: #256 Gus 802

That SS is good for the middle class and helps them to maintain a higher standard of living by allowing the parents to be independent.

I’ll grant that it permits a small return on a lifetime of over taxation. Its universality almost makes it acceptable. But the dishonesty in its management is a travesty and its return to the investor is a crime.

That said, it has squat to do with the rise of the modern middle class. That you will have to prove in the face of so many other more powerful forces post WWII.

318 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

We are not becoming more poorly educated. Neither of my wife’s parents went to high school. She has a couple years of college. Our children include a high school teacher and a software engineer. The tales of American decay grow old.

If We is your anecdote, obviously you are correct. However there are large, very large, segments of the population where neither the parents, nor the parents’s children, nor their children (which their parents were when they were born) finish high school let alone go to college.

And don’t get me started on those who go to college and think evolution is just a matter of belief. At least a third, if not more, of the population.

Does that sound like improving education?

319 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:11pm

re: #312 ShaunP

Random quotes are random… :D

no this takes a lot of hard work & perfect timing…

320 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:15pm

re: #308 cliffster

Speaking of gardens, ours is now fairly complete. Still have some sprouts needing to go in the ground, but there’s a summer feast in the wait in a little 8X16 suburban plot. And the kids are now on pins and needles waiting for it.

I planted for the first time this year. And I just blew it, by publishing it. ;)

321 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:56pm

re: #316 pingjockey

OT, Spaceballs is on AMC. Yaaay humor.

Best.
Movie.
Ever.

322 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:44:06pm

re: #313 Racer X

We cheated - bought a bunch of small vegetable plants and put them in pots and in the ground in the yard. I’ve got little black watering hoses going everywhere in the yard now. Looks like licorice spaghetti!

That’s not cheating, that’s pragmatism. We have a combination of in-the-ground garden, plus some in pots that wouldn’t fit in the limited space. Tomatoes do well in pots. So do peppers.

323 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:44:22pm

re: #305 palomino

Bloomberg left the GOP 3 years ago. Like I said, liberal republicans are extinct.

I ain’t either!

324 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:44:24pm

re: #156 albusteve

so what?…look in a mirror you bot, we are all living off the govt teat one way or another…got your tax return back yet?…I don’t give a shit about parties, or ideology…I care about results…teabaggers and militias mean nothing to me…I couls care less about Palin and Beck like the rest of these infatuated posters…I care about my money and my taxes and my future

And to hell with everyone else. No recognition that what happens around you affects you, your children and will affect your grandkids.

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:44:26pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

“Chinese” cabbage. (Actually Korean)

I think Shaun meant, Jefferson would think, “WTF is bok choy?”

326 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:44:27pm

re: #312 ShaunP

Random quotes are random… :D

“it’s so crowded, nobody goes there anymore’
You have to go to your friends funerals, or else they won’t come to yours”

Yogi Berra

“yabba dabba doo’

Yogi Bear

327 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:44:28pm

re: #310 albusteve

our kids are well adjusted little geniuses, the schools are fine, university is for anyone who wants to go…14% unemployment is no cause for alarm…10+ trillion in debt is no problem…Mexico is a friendly country that would never harm us…it will eventually rain endlessly out west, and HRC is a very attractive woman…yup

Some things are broken—we’ll fix them. Other things will break—our kids will fix them.

328 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:45:03pm

re: #316 pingjockey

OT, Spaceballs is on AMC. Yaaay humor.

Dark Helmet was a great character. Isn’t that somebody’s username here?

329 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:45:16pm

re: #254
Decatur Deb

We are not becoming more poorly educated. Neither of my wife’s parents went to high school. She has a couple years of college. Our children include a high school teacher and a software engineer. The tales of American decay grow old.

re: #266 Stanley Sea

DING. And real world.

XKCD said it best, “more harm has been done by people paniked over societal decline than societal decline ever did.”

Image: idiocracy.png

330 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:01pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Some things are broken—we’ll fix them. Other things will break—our kids will fix them.

/tea parties meet little league?

331 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:03pm

And another thing…..

People sell the American people short….

….and they shouldn’t.

Don’t forget it.

332 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:17pm

Hey Evening Lizards!

It actually felt like Spring today in my part of the world.

I’ve been off in the world for a few days, how is life in Lizard Land?

333 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:18pm

re: #323 The Shadow Do

I ain’t either!

Well, your influence in the party is extinct, as are the people like you running for office.

334 recusancy  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:23pm

re: #310 albusteve

our kids are well adjusted little geniuses, the schools are fine, university is for anyone who wants to go…14% unemployment is no cause for alarm…10+ trillion in debt is no problem…Mexico is a friendly country that would never harm us…it will eventually rain endlessly out west, and HRC is a very attractive woman…yup

No need for the sexism.

335 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:35pm

Being John Malkovich doesn’t mean you get special treatment.

336 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:46:54pm

re: #318 Naso Tang

If We is your anecdote, obviously you are correct. However there are large, very large, segments of the population where neither the parents, nor the parents’s children, nor their children (which their parents were when they were born) finish high school let alone go to college.

And don’t get me started on those who go to college and think evolution is just a matter of belief. At least a third, if not more, of the population.

Does that sound like improving education?

We need an agreed-upon metric (something like voter-brains-holding-informed-thought/100,000 pop).

337 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:47:10pm

Right. Drudge is “just a collections of links”:

# Drudge: “Big Sis Moves On Militia”
March 30, 2010 10:33 am ET filed under Blog
# Drudge latest to push baseless smear that Stupak “sold” health care vote for “airport grants”
March 24, 2010 10:23 am ET filed under Research
# Conservative media channel history to portray health care bill as great tragedy
March 22, 2010 1:35 pm ET filed under Research
# Drudge, CNS News falsely suggest Obama health care proposal would go beyond Hyde to fund abortions
February 23, 2010 8:02 am ET filed under Quick Fact
# Fox & Friends echoes Drudge in floating Brown as a Presidential candidate because “he has momentum” like “Sen. Barack Obama did”
January 20, 2010 8:51 am ET filed under MMtv
# Drudge still running with discredited Baucus story
December 29, 2009 5:06 pm ET filed under Blog
# Right-wing media’s relentless attacks supported by flagrant falsehoods
October 05, 2009 8:10 pm ET filed under Research
# Fox News attack machine smears Chicago as a violent city unsuitable for Olympics
October 02, 2009 8:16 am ET filed under Research
# Fox News attacks Obama’s efforts to promote U.S. Olympic bid
September 29, 2009 4:55 pm ET filed under Research
# Drudge links to report on murder in Chicago with headline “Olympic Spirit: Video Shows Brutal Gang Murder In Chicago”
September 29, 2009 11:56 am ET filed under Blog
# They’re all Matt Drudge now
September 09, 2009 12:36 pm ET filed under Blog
# Joe Klein, please aim higher
August 25, 2009 7:34 pm ET filed under Blog
# CNN covers White House response to Drudge falsehood
August 04, 2009 7:38 pm ET filed under MMtv
# Echoing Drudge and Heritage, Limbaugh falsely claimed Obama “admits he doesn’t know” what’s in House health bill
July 21, 2009 9:13 pm ET filed under Research
# Conservative outlets provide forum for Republicans’ “baffling” health care “flow chart”
July 15, 2009 8:55 pm ET filed under Research
# Conservatives say Obama is siding with Chavez and Cuba on Honduras
June 30, 2009 11:25 am ET filed under Research
# Drudge: “D.C. is full of a bunch of fatties … Barbara Mikulski? Have you seen some of these fatties?”
June 15, 2009 7:28 am ET filed under MMtv
# Drudge, NY Post report Obamas’ NYC trip cost, ignore Bush’s Crawford vacations
June 01, 2009 4:28 pm ET filed under Research
# Drudge smears “joker” Franken with doctored photo
May 04, 2009 8:48 am ET filed under Research
# FAIL: Drudge’s Understanding of Twitter
April 30, 2009 3:31 pm ET filed under Blog
# Drudge hypes article claiming Gore “chickened out” from confronting skeptic
April 24, 2009 1:59 pm ET filed under Research
# Drudge Report deceptively advanced accusation that Biden wrongly “credit[ed] stimulus for fire station”
April 03, 2009 3:12 pm ET filed under Research
# Conservative media run with dubious SkyNews claim of Obama “teleprompt blunder”
March 25, 2009 9:10 pm ET filed under Research
# Following Politico’s lead, media fixate on Obama’s “awkward laughter” in 60 Minutes interview
March 23, 2009 5:22 pm ET filed under Research
# Fox, Drudge falsely assert Dodd put “bonus protections” into stimulus bill
March 17, 2009 4:14 pm ET filed under Research
# Following Drudge, media compare Obama to Nixon, cite purported “enemies list”
March 05, 2009 4:56 pm ET filed under Research
# Declaring GOP winner in “stimulus message war,” media oblivious to their cohort’s role in skewing debate
February 06, 2009 7:44 pm ET filed under Research
# Ignoring CBO, AP uncritically reported GOP claim that recovery bill is Dem “spending spree unlikely to jolt the economy”
February 02, 2009 7:59 am ET filed under Research
# For four hours after AP correction, Drudge flogged false claim about undocumented immigrants
January 29, 2009 8:43 pm ET filed under Research
# Drudge déjà vu: Winter Storm + Cancelled Hearings = Global Warming??

And that’s 1 page of 3. Oh, the link is to Media Matters.

338 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:47:22pm

re: #331 WindHorse

And another thing…

People sell the American people short…

…and they shouldn’t.

Don’t forget it.

Have you seen those ‘people in Walmart’ pics?

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:47:29pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he’d be pleased. He had Sally Heming’s brother trained as a French chef in Paris so he could introduce real cuisine in the states. If he’d known about Bok Choy, I’m sure he would have tried to grow some.

Later, he offered James Hemings, who was free by then, a job as White House chef.

Hemings turned him down.

340 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:47:37pm

re: #332 ggt

Hey Evening Lizards!

It actually felt like Spring today in my part of the world.

I’ve been off in the world for a few days, how is life in Lizard Land?

/same as it ever was, same as it ever was…

341 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:47:45pm

re: #333 palomino

Well, your influence in the party is extinct, as are the people like you running for office.

That is not true either. I am involved.

342 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:48:10pm

re: #338 Racer X

no I haven’t and why would I care?

344 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:48:57pm

re: #337 Gus 802

He’s fucking evil I tell ya!

345 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:49:07pm

re: #333 palomino

Well, your influence in the party is extinct, as are the people like you running for office.


Yup, just like that noted far righty that was the repub presidential nominee last time out!

346 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:49:14pm

re: #337 Gus 802

There’s a reason Drudge is always in the background on Limbaugh’s podcast.

If the rotund one runs out of smears, a new one is just a click away.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:49:14pm

re: #338 Racer X

Have you seen those ‘people in Walmart’ pics?

Yes! And they are fatter, and crazier, and dressed more bizarrely than anything that will ever come out of Europe.

America cannot be beat.

348 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:50:04pm

Drudge Report Links to John Birch Society

Drudge and the Deniers

Hilarious. Yesterday the Drudge Report linked to Tim Lambert’s Deltoid blog at ScienceBlogs — because Drudge mistakenly thought that Lambert’s post debunking the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition’s dishonesty was actually supporting them.

As soon as Drudge realized Deltoid wasn’t a climate denial site, he removed the link. (Just in case you think the Drudge Report isn’t promoting an agenda.)

But not before Lambert’s blog was swamped with completely insane comments from climate deniers; he’s posted a selection here: Drudge and the denialists.

349 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:50:12pm

re: #324 b_sharp

And to hell with everyone else. No recognition that what happens around you affects you, your children and will affect your grandkids.

I’m taking out what I paid in…it’s MY money…as for my kids, they are very astute money wise, they know they have to make it on their own dime, not the feds deceit…as for what’s happening around me that I care about, you can only speculate to knife me…this is a news blog, not some weird group therapy…I don’t answer to you or anyone else…and remember, cash rules!

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:50:20pm

Evening, Honcos!!

351 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:50:45pm

re: #349 albusteve

I thought gold ruled?

352 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:50:49pm

re: #343 The Sanity Inspector

The dog’s diary vs. the cat’s diary

Hilarious!

353 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:09pm

re: #18 windsagio

I thought gold ruled?

DIAMONDS dahling!

354 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:20pm

re: #343 The Sanity Inspector

The dog’s diary vs. the cat’s diary

Like Mandy says: “With a dog, you are the owner. With a cat, you are the staff.”

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:23pm

re: #351 windsagio

I thought gold ruled?

Seeds. Non hybrid type.
/

356 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:28pm

re: #343 The Sanity Inspector
That’s frakkin’ great!

357 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:42pm

re: #346 palomino

There’s a reason Drudge is always in the background on Limbaugh’s podcast.

If the rotund one runs out of smears, a new one is just a click away.

I think I’ve noticed that once before. Good point.

358 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:48pm

re: #342 WindHorse

no I haven’t and why would I care?

Oh man, you gotta look.

359 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:51:58pm

re: #353 ggt

See thats crazy grandpa territory.

Literally. My crazy grandpa had a huge collection of precious metals and gems.


…

Just like Albusteve. I think my mind has been blown!

360 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:15pm

re: #334 recusancy

No need for the sexism.

you don’t count

361 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:17pm

re: #351 windsagio

I thought gold ruled?

And seeds.

362 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:29pm

re: #268 Alouette

The six most horrific bosses of all time. (Triangle Shirtwaist owners are #2)

Continuing a thought. If one wants to look at American Jewish liberal values in terms of worker’s rights, one need look no further than the impact of the triangle shirt fire on the American Jewish mindset.

363 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:29pm

re: #286 Alouette

Parents would actually live in the same house with their children. And their children were privileged to take care of them!

I havn’t been home in four months now except to stop in and air the place out. Dad is going and mom is not that far behind, I sleep on the trundle bed in the cramped (packed full of mementos) second bedroom and get to play fulltime home health aide all day. I do dishes, drive to doctors appointments, do laundry, cook meals, clean carpets, scrub bathrooms, and take out the trash…sigh.

But they are my parents and my brother and sister cannot be bothered so it has fallen on me. Eventually this will be over and I will be back in my own condo, but I’m certainly in no hurry, I just never expected to be doing this in my own retirement.

364 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:36pm

Fast threads tonight, lost an hour somewhere. ‘Nite, all.

365 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:49pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Like Mandy says: “With a dog, you are the owner. With a cat, you are the staff.”

I had some tuna today. I ate it and then took the dogs out. When I came in the Cat was on the counter by my empty dish and looking at me. I forgot to give him his share.

Should I be afraid to go to sleep tonite?

366 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:58pm

re: #341 The Shadow Do

That is not true either. I am involved.

That doesn’t change the fact that the party is now thoroughly dominated by its far right wing. The moderates have disappeared—the only moderate gopers left in Congress are the two ladies from Maine, and some old guy from Ohio who’s retiring.

Maybe that will change, keep up the good fight.

367 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:52:58pm

re: #348 Gus 802

Drudge Report Links to John Birch Society

Drudge and the Deniers

Drudge is a fool to be linking to them. Some on the right will like that for now, but sooner or later the Birchers will be marginalized again and so will be those most in bed with them.

368 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:53:19pm

re: #268 Alouette

The six most horrific bosses of all time. (Triangle Shirtwaist owners are #2)

I just read the list. Disgusting men. Filth. Their graves should be dug up and their remains, if anything is left, tossed in a nearby city dump.

/Fantasy.

369 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:53:24pm

“Hi there. G. Gordon Liddy here, buy this gold or I’ll rip yer heart out”.

370 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:53:26pm

re: #362 LudwigVanQuixote

Continuing a thought. If one wants to look at American Jewish liberal values in terms of worker’s rights, one need look no further than the impact of the triangle shirt fire on the American Jewish mindset.

How do you mean?

371 sagehen  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:53:28pm

re: #245 The Shadow Do

what in the heck is your point?

At the risk of putting words in his mouth, I think his point is that if you don’t have to support your retired parents (because they’ve got social security), that’s money you can instead spend on your kids’ college, or helping them open a shop or something. And bingo! within one generation your bloodline has moved up a notch.

372 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:53:32pm

re: #351 windsagio

I thought gold ruled?

same thing….duh?

373 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:53:53pm

re: #369 pingjockey

“Hi there. G. Gordon Liddy here, buy this gold or I’ll rip yer heart out”.

lead rules…

374 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:00pm

re: #201 albusteve

why should it…why should my mom not be able to collect my dads SS til she passes?…why should the feds tax me for my inheritance?…why should the IRS have the power to put entire families on the street for back taxes…I’ve earned plenty of money and I’ve paid plenty of taxes…now it’s payback time

In other words… me me me…

Your sense of entitlement is wonderful - especially when you hypocritically rant to deny entitlements to others.

375 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:04pm

re: #372 albusteve

Sadly, no :P

376 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:22pm

re: #373 brookly red

lead rules…

Made in China…

377 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:25pm

re: #363 ausador

You are a good ‘kid’. Cheers.

378 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:39pm

It’s about time I could get back in…wasn’t able to load this site for a few hours.

379 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:41pm

OK, gonna get some food, so I’ll leave everyone with this piece from one of the greatest comic strips of the 80s.


Image: density.jpg

380 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:54:45pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

We need an agreed-upon metric (something like voter-brains-holding-informed-thought/100,000 pop).

How about college graduates in the sciences compared with other countries?

381 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:55:21pm

re: #374 LudwigVanQuixote

In other words… me me me…

Your sense of entitlement is wonderful - especially when you hypocritically rant to deny entitlements to others.

ah, I think you have it backwards…the govt has the sense of entitlement…ponder that Einstein….you, you, you!

382 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:55:31pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes! And they are fatter, and crazier, and dressed more bizarrely than anything that will ever come out of Europe.

America cannot be beat.

Drives people nuts. Always has. We do what we do. And we do it while being crass, rude, under-educated, arrogant, loud, pushy, fat, and stubborn.
We’re AMERICANS!
Kinda makes you proud, huh?

383 shiplord kirel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:55:45pm

re: #310 albusteve

our kids are well adjusted little geniuses, the schools are fine, university is for anyone who wants to go…14% unemployment is no cause for alarm…10+ trillion in debt is no problem…Mexico is a friendly country that would never harm us…it will eventually rain endlessly out west, and HRC is a very attractive woman…yup

Well, Steve, the third one is actually right, has been since the 1960s. I got my Ivy League education by working my ass off, to be sure, but that would not have been nearly enough without a healthy contribution from the taxpayers. My tuition at Cornell was more than my dad made in a year. The GI Bill paid part of it and would have paid everything at many other institutions. I was also able to get an academic scholarship and a bunch of other help, some from corporate and private donors and some from the taxpayers on top what they were already paying via the GI Bill. I humbly submit that I have repaid it many times over in just the taxes I have paid on my personal income to say nothing of whatever other benefit to the nation might have accrued from my work.

384 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:55:59pm

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

Like Mandy says: “With a dog, you are the owner. With a cat, you are the staff.”

A dog jumps into your lap because it loves you. A cat jumps into your lap because its warm.

385 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:56:08pm

re: #310 albusteve

our kids are well adjusted little geniuses, the schools are fine, university is for anyone who wants to go…14% unemployment is no cause for alarm…10+ trillion in debt is no problem…Mexico is a friendly country that would never harm us…it will eventually rain endlessly out west, and HRC is a very attractive woman…yup

Australia? Is that a better option than the wreck that America has become? Canada? Oh wait, they both have public health care, which is going to pooch the country right up the patootie…

Wherever will you go, Steve, to escape this tyranny?

386 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:56:17pm

“Comb the desert”
“We ain’t found shit”.

387 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:56:34pm

re: #345 sattv4u2


Yup, just like that noted far righty that was the repub presidential nominee last time out!

And look where that got him—he’s now fighting for his political life against a second rate birther talk show host. All for insufficient ideological orthodoxy.

A party that tolerated moderates wouldn’t be in such a situation.

388 The Shadow Do  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:56:34pm

re: #371 sagehen

At the risk of putting words in his mouth, I think his point is that if you don’t have to support your retired parents (because they’ve got social security), that’s money you can instead spend on your kids’ college, or helping them open a shop or something. And bingo! within one generation your bloodline has moved up a notch.

If so, the point was not made.

389 sagehen  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:56:48pm

re: #253 windsagio

/Even the useless things, like our military spending, can’t be cut because it would destroy the economies of large parts of the country.

The Onion has found
a big waste of money that can be cut.

390 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:56:59pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

IN answer to your question. Yes.

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:57:02pm

re: #382 swamprat

Drives people nuts. Always has. We do what we do. And we do it while being crass, rude, under-educated, arrogant, loud, pushy, fat, and stubborn.
We’re AMERICANS!
Kinda makes you proud, huh?

It really does. We have yee-hah.

392 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:57:28pm

re: #381 albusteve

ah, I think you have it backwards…the govt has the sense of entitlement…ponder that Einstein…you, you, you!

you should need a license to carry that…

393 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:57:39pm

China = pollution = Walmart

394 stonemason  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:57:59pm

Drive by post:

Today he’s angry at the Republican Party over recent revelations that the RNC paid for a wild night at a strip club in Hollywood. And by sheer coincidence, Sarah Palin’s angry too:

This is a good thing for the GOP, the strip club was good for the GOP, this is going to expose the fringe, get them frothing, and allow those who are marginally tea party supporters to see the dark, dank, mess that they almost joined.

There is nothing wrong with main-stream humans to attend that sort of entertainment, none at all, and maybe republicans will understand that they are being duped by the minority of racist hypocrits the get the most air time, causing a shift back towards the middle where we allow people to live thier lives in the manner they want.

okay, back to work for me.

395 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58:00pm

re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote

IN answer to your question. Yes.

Thank you. I just thought you might be interested. Sorry if I bothered you.

396 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58:11pm

re: #381 albusteve

ah, I think you have it backwards…the govt has the sense of entitlement…ponder that Einstein…you, you, you!

I already did because, unlike you I am not a hypocrite, and what I say is internally consistent. Try practicing what you preach for yourself Steve Steve.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58:37pm

However, Bryant and May couldn’t help but notice the other match companies were still making more money. What were they doing wrong? Clearly they weren’t abusing their employees enough… was there some kind of torture device they could be using? Maybe if they just let wild badgers run loose on the production floor?

398 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58:44pm

It does kind of piss me off a bit - in America our crisis is people are fat and lazy. While just south of us and across the gulf the crisis is people are starving.

399 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58:44pm

re: #387 palomino

And look where that got him—he’s now fighting for his political life against a second rate birther talk show host. All for insufficient ideological orthodoxy.

A party that tolerated moderates wouldn’t be in such a situation.

In case you haven’t noticed, all groups have moved a tad futher right in the last several months (except of course, the far FAR left). Even McCains positions are moving right. Even Obamas.

400 avanti  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58:56pm

re: #310 albusteve

our kids are well adjusted little geniuses, the schools are fine, university is for anyone who wants to go…14% unemployment is no cause for alarm…10+ trillion in debt is no problem…Mexico is a friendly country that would never harm us…it will eventually rain endlessly out west, and HRC is a very attractive woman…yup

Bad news for you on the horizon, starting with tomorrows job numbers.

401 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:59:14pm

re: #379 windsagio

OK, gonna get some food, so I’ll leave everyone with this piece from one of the greatest comic strips of the 80s.

Click to display image: density.jpg

And then, and then, and then.

Baby Bart is what I think of when I see those old cartoons.

402 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:59:17pm

re: #349 albusteve

I’m taking out what I paid in…it’s MY money…as for my kids, they are very astute money wise, they know they have to make it on their own dime, not the feds deceit…as for what’s happening around me that I care about, you can only speculate to knife me…this is a news blog, not some weird group therapy…I don’t answer to you or anyone else…and remember, cash rules!

Random Thoughts by Jack Handey

403 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:59:26pm

re: #362 LudwigVanQuixote

Continuing a thought. If one wants to look at American Jewish liberal values in terms of worker’s rights, one need look no further than the impact of the triangle shirt fire on the American Jewish mindset.

Wow I can’t believe you mentioned that. My parents were friends with Ralph Fasanella who painted these mural size paintings. One of his tributes was to the Triangle Workers. I have a large framed print he signed for me.

Image: dressshop.jpg

404 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:59:32pm

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. I just thought you might be interested. Sorry if I bothered you.

You are a dear friend. You never bother me. OK sometimes you bother me, just like I bug you, but you are always a friend.

405 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:03pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

In case you haven’t noticed, all groups have moved a tad futher right in the last several months (except of course, the far FAR left). Even McCains positions are moving right. Even Obamas.

well eventually you run out of left…

406 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:03pm

re: #382 swamprat

Drives people nuts. Always has. We do what we do. And we do it while being crass, rude, under-educated, arrogant, loud, pushy, fat, and stubborn.
We’re AMERICANS!
Kinda makes you proud, huh?

Did someone say nuts?

407 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:08pm

re: #400 avanti

Bad news for you on the horizon, starting with tomorrows job numbers.

100,000 or so newly hired census workers will do that to numbers

408 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:20pm

re: #383 shiplord kirel

Well, Steve, the third one is actually right, has been since the 1960s. I got my Ivy League education by working my ass off, to be sure, but that would not have been nearly enough without a healthy contribution from the taxpayers. My tuition at Cornell was more than my dad made in a year. The GI Bill paid part of it and would have paid everything at many other institutions. I was also able to get an academic scholarship and a bunch of other help, some from corporate and private donors and some from the taxpayers on top what they were already paying via the GI Bill. I humbly submit that I have repaid it many times over in just the taxes I have paid on my personal income to say nothing of whatever other benefit to the nation might have accrued from my work.

my dad also got his degree via the GI Bill…and as for yourself, you’ve been willing to commit, produce and excell…if only more young people would get off their ass and follow you…it’s not the economics, it’s the social barriers…I’m no anarchist, and if you had help then it was well worth it

409 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:33pm

re: #405 brookly red

well eventually you run out of left…

Not Scrotum Man and freinds

410 sagehen  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:34pm

re: #255 shiplord kirel

The GI Bill gets my vote for the single most beneficial government program in history. It allowed millions of young people to go to college who would otherwise not have gone.

My dad joined the army at age 15, because they promised to feed him Every. Single. Day. (which was more than his parents could manage).

Thanks to the GI Bill, he became a doctor, then he was able to put his younger brother through medical school and my mom through law school. And I got to grow up with a horse and a swimming pool.

411 freetoken  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:00:40pm

re: #394 stonemason

I say make it part of the platform - the right to lesbian bondage shows for all Americans!

It should help bring back the youth to the sagging Republican rolls.

412 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:01:23pm

re: #403 marjoriemoon

Wow I can’t believe you mentioned that. My parents were friends with Ralph Fasanella who painted these mural size paintings. One of his tributes was to the Triangle Workers. I have a large framed print he signed for me.

Click to display image: dressshop.jpg

I didn’t bring it up. Alouette did.

413 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:01:24pm

re: #407 sattv4u2

100,000 or so newly hired census workers will do that to numbers

Millions are out of work. 100k is barely a blip compared to the number of people out of work…

414 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:01:39pm

re: #404 LudwigVanQuixote

You are a dear friend. You never bother me. OK sometimes you bother me, just like I bug you, but you are always a friend.

Sweet. Agreed. DF is young but he’s a fine human being. Kudos

415 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:01:49pm

re: #410 sagehen

My dad joined the army at age 15, because they promised to feed him Every. Single. Day. (which was more than his parents could manage).

Thanks to the GI Bill, he became a doctor, then he was able to put his younger brother through medical school and my mom through law school. And I got to grow up with a horse and a swimming pool.

water polo?
Did the horse have water wings!?!?!

416 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:02:20pm

Maybe if we let these conservatives eat each other up we’ll only have the centrists and progressives left.

Also, good Friday everyone.

417 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:02:37pm

re: #414 austin_blue

Is there something wrong with being young?

418 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:02:47pm

re: #413 ShaunP

Millions are out of work. 100k is barely a blip compared to the number of people out of work…

/but this will have no effect on the way people vote…

419 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:02:59pm

re: #409 sattv4u2

Not Scrotum Man and freinds

FTFY

420 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:17pm

re: #385 austin_blue

Australia? Is that a better option than the wreck that America has become? Canada? Oh wait, they both have public health care, which is going to pooch the country right up the patootie…

Wherever will you go, Steve, to escape this tyranny?

wherever anyone could go, there will be poodles there…as for tyranny, you have me mistaken for someone else…I’m plenty comfortable and do pretty much what I want…NM is fine with me, nice try tho…post a cool comeback eh?

421 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:23pm

re: #1 cliffster
Youth is wasted on the young.

422 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:39pm

re: #416 laZardo

Maybe if we let these conservatives eat each other up we’ll only have the centrists and progressives left.

So much for embracing diversity.

423 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:50pm

re: #413 ShaunP

Millions are out of work. 100k is barely a blip compared to the number of people out of work…

MONTHLY numbers , is what Avanti was talking about

NOT overall

424 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:53pm

re: #421 pingjockey

Youth is wasted on the young.

Ha! You got that right.

425 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:55pm

re: #419 darthstar

FTFY

Aw…won’t load…that’s too bad.

426 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:03:58pm

re: #398 Racer X

It does kind of piss me off a bit - in America our crisis is people are fat and lazy. While just south of us and across the gulf the crisis is people are starving.

Eventually we won’t get fat because permission to do so will be withheld.

And goodnight…

Image: th_1266738608-2.jpg

Image: grandmap.jpg

427 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:06pm

re: #417 cliffster

Is there something wrong with being young?

not at all, someone has to pay for this shit…

428 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:08pm

Instapundit continues to obfuscate for extremists plotting to kill police officers….


CHRIS STIREWALT: Democrats Get Hip To The Paranoid Style of Politics. “To read the news, you might assume that there is a militiaman under every rock and that every tea party is a front for the Aryan Nation… . It is usually those out of power who are drawn to paranoid conspiracies, but Democrats sound like a pack of John Birchers talking about a shadowy conspiracy that is plotting against them.”

Well, to be fair, this all-white militia is kinda scary. In a dweeby, self-righteous sort of way.

Posted at 11:39 pm by Glenn Reynolds


What a douche.

429 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:17pm

re: #402 palomino

Random Thoughts by Jack Handey

if so, then memorize them

430 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:17pm

re: #404 LudwigVanQuixote

You are a dear friend. You never bother me. OK sometimes you bother me, just like I bug you, but you are always a friend.

Thank you, sir. That means alot.

431 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:22pm

re: #418 brookly red

/but this will have no effect on the way people vote…

Dems asses depend on employment numbers this november…

432 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:33pm

re: #8 cliffster
Not mine, can’t remember who said it!

433 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:04:41pm

re: #371 sagehen

At the risk of putting words in his mouth, I think his point is that if you don’t have to support your retired parents (because they’ve got social security), that’s money you can instead spend on your kids’ college, or helping them open a shop or something. And bingo! within one generation your bloodline has moved up a notch.

If you take care of your kids they should take care of you. Today I spent hours fixing my daughter’s virus-infected laptop, while she enjoyed herself at the mall, and then this evening she cooked a delicious dinner for everybody (there are currently 8 adults and 4 kids staying over in the house this week)

434 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:05:13pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

Blame the unions!! Gee, too bad the evil unions hadn’t driven the industry overseas so this atrocity could have been avoided.

Max Blanck and Thomas Harris were the owners and operators of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company…

On top of all this, it seems like a minor thing that they also locked one of the main factory exits from the outside, to supposedly prevent theft by employees. Minor, you know, unless there’s a fire. But why would there be a fire in a factory full of machines, strips of dry cloth, tissue paper and smokers? Where there had been fires twice before?

On March 25, 1911, the inevitable happened. Some women made it out before one exit filled with smoke and flame. Others made it onto the fire escape, which collapsed. The rest were trapped inside, banging on that locked door, while they were cooked alive.

Blanck and Harris were charged with manslaughter. Luckily for them they had way more money than the plaintiffs, and they hired Max Steuer, the Johnny Cochran of his day. He tore apart the testimony of the survivors, hinting that the whole thing was a conspiracy by the evil labor unions, and that no one could prove the door was actually locked. Sure, they found the lock in the burned out rubble, still very much in its locked state. But couldn’t it have been tampered with? By the unions?

435 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:05:20pm

re: #88 pingjockey

Youth is wasted on the young.

I forgot.

:)

436 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:05:25pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

How do you mean?

The first thing to do is google the Triangle fire. Many Jewish women worked there and were trapped in a building that burnt down. They died horribly. It was a sweat-shop and they were literally locked in to insure “productivity.”

The backlash in the Jewish community was huge.

Another person to look into for this sort of “liberal social justice” meme of just because you are a business, you can’t get away with whatever you want, is the career and casework of Justice Brandies.

437 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:05:35pm

re: #431 ShaunP

Dems asses depend on employment numbers this november…

Will they start spending stimulus money right around then?

438 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:05:45pm

re: #413 ShaunP

Millions are out of work. 100k is barely a blip compared to the number of people out of work…

we are a nation of blips…the fifteen minute blip of fame

439 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:01pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist


We are the people who couldn’t be constrained by Europe. We are the malcontents, idealists, speculators, dreamers, inventors, debtors and criminals who would not be chained. We don’t play well with others, we are brash, outlandish and cunning.

440 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:04pm

re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar

Will they start spending stimulus money right around then?

If they’re smart, they’ll start in June or so…

441 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:04pm

re: #433 Alouette

If you take care of your kids they should take care of you. Today I spent hours fixing my daughter’s virus-infected laptop, while she enjoyed herself at the mall, and then this evening she cooked a delicious dinner for everybody (there are currently 8 adults and 4 kids staying over in the house this week)

Put her on Firefox, disable Internet Explorer, install MalwareBytes (free), AGW (free) and Adaware (free) and she can keep her own laptop virus free.

442 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:23pm

re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar

Will they start spending stimulus money right around then?

ggeee,,now you don;’t think ,, nahhh ,,,, just a coincidence ,, must be!

443 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:30pm

re: #422 Racer X

So much for embracing diversity.

As wonderful as diversity is, sometimes evolution produces species that commit suicide when in a bind.

444 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:39pm

re: #433 Alouette

If you take care of your kids they should take care of you. Today I spent hours fixing my daughter’s virus-infected laptop, while she enjoyed herself at the mall, and then this evening she cooked a delicious dinner for everybody (there are currently 8 adults and 4 kids staying over in the house this week)

lol is that all?

I truly hope you are enjoying your Pesach!

445 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:48pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

Instapundit continues to obfuscate for extremists plotting to kill police officers…


What a douche.

He’ll keep proving it, too. He’s engaged in the Great Wingnut Pastime: Ignoring the Elephant in the Room. (pun intended)

446 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:06:52pm

re: #422 Racer X

So much for embracing diversity.

For LaZardo, that IS diversity.

/

447 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:07:00pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

It really does. We have yee-hah.

And the rebel yell.

/MOAR, MOAR, MOAR!

449 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:07:40pm

re: #431 ShaunP

Dems asses depend on employment numbers this november…

yup, lot’s of folks would like to pretend it doesn’t matter but if they can’t create 8 million jobs 6 months it will be a bloodbath…

450 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:07:52pm

re: #443 laZardo

As wonderful as diversity is, sometimes evolution produces species that commit suicide when in a bind.

I keep thinking of that poor gorilla from the other day.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:08:16pm

re: #434 eclectic infidel

Blame the unions!! Gee, too bad the evil unions hadn’t driven the industry overseas so this atrocity could have been avoided.

Max Blanck and Thomas Harris were the owners and operators of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company…

On top of all this, it seems like a minor thing that they also locked one of the main factory exits from the outside, to supposedly prevent theft by employees. Minor, you know, unless there’s a fire. But why would there be a fire in a factory full of machines, strips of dry cloth, tissue paper and smokers? Where there had been fires twice before?

On March 25, 1911, the inevitable happened. Some women made it out before one exit filled with smoke and flame. Others made it onto the fire escape, which collapsed. The rest were trapped inside, banging on that locked door, while they were cooked alive.

Blanck and Harris were charged with manslaughter. Luckily for them they had way more money than the plaintiffs, and they hired Max Steuer, the Johnny Cochran of his day. He tore apart the testimony of the survivors, hinting that the whole thing was a conspiracy by the evil labor unions, and that no one could prove the door was actually locked. Sure, they found the lock in the burned out rubble, still very much in its locked state. But couldn’t it have been tampered with? By the unions?

Women jumped from the windows, rather than be burned alive in the building. I remembered that on 9/11, when they showed the footage of people jumping from the Towers.

452 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:08:19pm

re: #436 LudwigVanQuixote

The first thing to do is google the Triangle fire. Many Jewish women worked there and were trapped in a building that burnt down. They died horribly. It was a sweat-shop and they were literally locked in to insure “productivity.”

The backlash in the Jewish community was huge.

Another person to look into for this sort of “liberal social justice” meme of just because you are a business, you can’t get away with whatever you want, is the career and casework of Justice Brandies.

I did know about the fire and that the workers were locked. I’ll read more when I get the chance, though I can imagine the backlash would be massive.

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:08:47pm

re: #439 swamprat

We are the people who couldn’t be constrained by Europe. We are the malcontents, idealists, speculators, dreamers, inventors, debtors and criminals who would not be chained. We don’t play well with others, we are brash, outlandish and cunning.

As a nation, we run with scissors.

455 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:09:14pm

re: #449 brookly red

yup, lot’s of folks would like to pretend it doesn’t matter but if they can’t create 8 million jobs 6 months it will be a bloodbath…

They could create 12 million jobs in six months and the GOP would still be against it.

456 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:09:14pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

In case you haven’t noticed, all groups have moved a tad futher right in the last several months (except of course, the far FAR left). Even McCains positions are moving right. Even Obamas.

OK, proving what? McCain is moving to the right to win a gop primary; he has to do this because the AZ gop has fallen in love with a birther Limbaugh wannabe.

Moderate gop is becoming an oxymoron as the party continues its ideological purge of all heretics who ever worked with Dems (see Crist, McCain et al.) Hell, even Dick Fucking Armey is getting attacked from the right these days.

457 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:09:51pm

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

I did know about the fire and that the workers were locked. I’ll read more when I get the chance, though I can imagine the backlash would be massive.

Enough that 100 years later people still talk about it in the community.

458 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:09:54pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout
Sheesh. There are some truly dangerous morons out there.

459 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:10:06pm

re: #455 darthstar

They could create 12 million jobs in six months and the GOP would still be against it.

do you have any idea at all how silly that is?

460 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:10:08pm

re: #455 darthstar

They could create 12 million jobs in six months and the GOP would still be against it.

Doesn’t matter what the GOP is for or against. If people are hurting, the party in power is going to be hurting…

461 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:10:09pm

re: #436 LudwigVanQuixote

The first thing to do is google the Triangle fire. Many Jewish women worked there and were trapped in a building that burnt down. They died horribly. It was a sweat-shop and they were literally locked in to insure “productivity.”

The backlash in the Jewish community was huge.

Another person to look into for this sort of “liberal social justice” meme of just because you are a business, you can’t get away with whatever you want, is the career and casework of Justice Brandies.

I find it ironic that the $100 “American Girl” historical doll Rebecca, of the 1915 era, which is portrayed as a young activist for labor unions, is actually manufactured in freaking China.

My granddaughters all pine for this doll, which I can’t afford to buy them. They other savta took them to the “American Girl” showroom in New York city where they got the baby doll and the “looks just like me” doll, which is slightly less expensive than the historical doll.

462 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:10:26pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

As a nation, we run with scissors.

And make video games about it.

No, seriously.

463 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:10:34pm

re: #429 albusteve

if so, then memorize them

they don’t count

464 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:11:21pm

re: #460 ShaunP

Doesn’t matter what the GOP is for or against. If people are hurting, the party in power is going to be hurting…

personally I am tired of eating cake…

465 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:11:35pm

Dammit!

I forgot to call my congressman and wish him a Happy April Fool’s Day!

466 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:11:51pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Women jumped from the windows, rather than be burned alive in the building. I remembered that on 9/11, when they showed the footage of people jumping from the Towers.

Gruesome. Truth be told, I’d jump too. The whole thing physically disgusts me. From the lack of protection on the job, unfettered capitalism, and so on. And we have people in our society actually want a complete deregulation of standards. Fucked up.

467 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:11:59pm

re: #463 palomino

they don’t count

then you’re in good company…since you brought them up

468 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:11:59pm

re: #461 Alouette

I find it ironic that the $100 “American Girl” historical doll Rebecca, of the 1915 era, which is portrayed as a young activist for labor unions, is actually manufactured in freaking China.

My granddaughters all pine for this doll, which I can’t afford to buy them. They other savta took them to the “American Girl” showroom in New York city where they got the baby doll and the “looks just like me” doll, which is slightly less expensive than the historical doll.

I hadn’t considered that. Thank you for pointing that out.

469 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:12:07pm

re: #434 eclectic infidel

I can’t tell which bits of that are sarcasm in the beginning.

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:12:15pm

re: #462 laZardo

And make video games about it.

No, seriously.

OY.

471 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:13:05pm

re: #467 albusteve

then you’re in good company…since you brought them up

your act is so stale it’s now dull. i’m done with you til your next outbreak of ods.

472 brookly red  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:13:36pm

well good night good folk…

473 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:13:40pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

As a nation, we run with scissors.

And pay off our mortgages with no job and $50 bucks left to our name.

474 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:13:44pm

re: #461 Alouette

I find it ironic that the $100 “American Girl” historical doll Rebecca, of the 1915 era, which is portrayed as a young activist for labor unions, is actually manufactured in freaking China.

My granddaughters all pine for this doll, which I can’t afford to buy them. They other savta took them to the “American Girl” showroom in New York city where they got the baby doll and the “looks just like me” doll, which is slightly less expensive than the historical doll.

I find it utterly accurate that the American girl doll who was a young activist for labor unions was named Rebecca.

475 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:14:05pm

G’nite folks.

476 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:14:10pm

re: #469 LudwigVanQuixote

I can’t tell which bits of that are sarcasm in the beginning.

sadly, none of it

ESPECIALLY the “unfettered capitalism,”

There isn’t an industry in the nation that doesn’t fall under one (or more) regulatory commisions

477 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:14:12pm

re: #471 palomino

your act is so stale it’s now dull. i’m done with you til your next outbreak of ods.

thanks…your’s was stale when you registered

478 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:14:21pm

re: #461 Alouette

I find it ironic that the $100 “American Girl” historical doll Rebecca, of the 1915 era, which is portrayed as a young activist for labor unions, is actually manufactured in freaking China.

My granddaughters all pine for this doll, which I can’t afford to buy them. They other savta took them to the “American Girl” showroom in New York city where they got the baby doll and the “looks just like me” doll, which is slightly less expensive than the historical doll.

The makers don’t actually care about the lessons they purport to teach. Like Blancke and Harris of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company, they concern themselves with profit only. That sort of hypocrisy makes me sick.

479 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:14:42pm

re: #476 sattv4u2

sadly, none of it

ESPECIALLY the “unfettered capitalism,”

There isn’t an industry in the nation that doesn’t fall under one (or more) regulatory commisions

Cocaine sales?

480 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:15:40pm

re: #469 LudwigVanQuixote

I can’t tell which bits of that are sarcasm in the beginning.

This is the sarcasm:
“Blame the unions!! Gee, too bad the evil unions hadn’t driven the industry overseas so this atrocity could have been avoided.”

I bolded the part to which my sarcasm refers.

The rest is a quote from the article.

481 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:15:57pm

re: #479 cliffster

Cocaine sales?

yeah ,, YOU try that ouside of an established New York family!!!

(Luca Brazzi will be visiting you)

482 avanti  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:16:01pm

Another manufactured outrage:

“A March 18 report from House Ways & Means Committee Republicans estimates the IRS will need to hire between 11,800 and 16,500 new agents to enforce the bill.

The report slams the bill’s “plans to grant massive new powers to the IRS, backed up by billions of dollars in additional taxpayer funding for the hiring of thousands of new IRS agents, examiners, and other personnel.”

More made up, doom and gloom. What happens when 90% of it never happens ?

483 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:16:11pm

re: #417 cliffster

Is there something wrong with being young?

Absolutely not! But life experience has an affect on your world view. If both your parents die by the time you are fifty, are you an orphan? At a very fundamental level, yes. Does it affect your world? Oh, boy, you betcha. Not having a direct experience with a death in the immediate family, young people have a completely view of the world than us over forty (yes yes I know, broad brush, just an example).

It *doesn’t* mean that the relatively young’s opinions or life experiences are less valuable than ours, just different. It’s an opportunity here for folks of different ages to discuss their influences, hopefully in a civil fashion. It’s a good thing

484 albusteve  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:16:18pm

I think I’ll go fondle a few Krugerrands….
I’m out like Buster Mathis

485 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:16:25pm

“Surely something must be terribly wrong with a man who seems to be far more concerned with a Jew building a house in Israel than with Muslims building a nuclear bomb in Iran.”
- Burt Prelutsky

486 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:16:56pm

re: #482 avanti

More made up, doom and gloom. What happens when 90% of it never happens ?

By the same token, what happens of 100% of it does

487 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:18:24pm

re: #477 albusteve

thanks…your’s was stale when you registered

yawn, well, “your’s” is so boring it made me narcoleptic.

and your mama is so….yawn

488 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:18:53pm

re: #420 albusteve

wherever anyone could go, there will be poodles there…as for tyranny, you have me mistaken for someone else…I’m plenty comfortable and do pretty much what I want…NM is fine with me, nice try tho…post a cool comeback eh?

I don’t know, you seem so disappointed with the actions of the Federal Government recently. Vehemently so, in the way that it will affect your life in New Mexico.

489 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:19:49pm

re: #487 palomino

yawn, well, “your’s” is so boring it made me narcoleptic.

and your mama is so…yawn

Not cool. Don’t be a douche.

490 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:20:02pm

re: #485 Racer X

“Surely something must be terribly wrong with a man who seems to be far more concerned with a Jew building a house in Israel than with Muslims building a nuclear bomb in Iran.”
- Burt Prelutsky

Which (correctly) means that there’s something really wrong with the staffs of the Guardian and New York Times.

491 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:20:23pm

re: #489 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not cool. Don’t be a douche.

really, that doesn’t drip with sarcasm?

492 avanti  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:20:23pm

re: #486 sattv4u2

More made up, doom and gloom. What happens when 90% of it never happens ?

By the same token, what happens of 100% of it does

Even the GOP would be shocked if that happened to made up facts, but time will tell, Armageddon could be just around the corner.

493 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:21:03pm

re: #491 palomino

really, that doesn’t drip with sarcasm?

It might. But you really suck at it.

494 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:21:41pm

Now why would the Religious Right be mad at the GOP?

495 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:22:10pm

re: #483 austin_blue

Very good points. Especially in our current culture, which tends to be a bit obsessed with youth, and blind to the wisdom of age.

496 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:22:11pm

re: #488 austin_blue

I don’t know, you seem so disappointed with the actions of the Federal Government recently. Vehemently so, in the way that it will affect your life in New Mexico.

In a sense, I am, well not exactly hopeful, but encouraged in a way. American’s have been complaining about government since before the 1776. It’s what we do. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Hell, we’d complain about Utopia if it were possible.

As I get older, I find that the things that don’t change are rather comforting.

497 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:22:19pm

re: #493 Cannadian Club Akbar

It might. But you really suck at it.

funny you’re not criticizing steve despite the fact he began this line of “you’re so lame that…”

and when did you become the LGF in-house critic?

498 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:23:26pm

re: #482 avanti

Another manufactured outrage:

“A March 18 report from House Ways & Means Committee Republicans estimates the IRS will need to hire between 11,800 and 16,500 new agents to enforce the bill.

The report slams the bill’s “plans to grant massive new powers to the IRS, backed up by billions of dollars in additional taxpayer funding for the hiring of thousands of new IRS agents, examiners, and other personnel.”

More made up, doom and gloom. What happens when 90% of it never happens ?

It’s time for another round of Factcheck!

[background music]

IRS Expansion
March 30, 2010

Q: Will the IRS hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the health care law?

A: No. The law requires the IRS mostly to hand out tax credits, not collect penalties. The claim of 16,500 new agents stems from a partisan analysis based on guesswork and false assumptions, and compounded by outright misrepresentation.

499 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:23:30pm

re: #492 avanti

Even the GOP would be shocked if that happened to made up facts, but time will tell, Armageddon could be just around the corner.


Rapture!

500 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:23:38pm

re: #497 palomino

funny you’re not criticizing steve despite the fact he began this line of “you’re so lame that…”

and when did you become the LGF in-house critic?

Here at LGF, everyone’s a critic.

501 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:23:55pm

Mo-om! Billy is making faces at me!

502 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:24:09pm

re: #497 palomino

You made a joke (or hinted) about someones mom. Not the poster. And everyone criticizes others here.

503 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:24:37pm

re: #479 cliffster

Cocaine sales?

DEA, FDA, IRS, and OSHA come to mind

504 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:24:59pm

re: #501 Racer X

Mo-om! Billy is making faces at me!

Will you stop touching me???

505 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:25:11pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Here at LGF, everyone’s a critic.

That’s for damn sure—problem is most of them are Rex Reed, not Roger Ebert.

506 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:25:32pm

Life Observations

1. I think part of a best friend’s job should be to immediately clear your computer history if you die.

2. Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you’re wrong.

3. I totally take back all those times I didn’t want to nap when I was younger.

4. There is great need for a sarcasm font.

5. How the hell are you supposed to fold a fitted sheet?

6. Was learning cursive really necessary?

7. Map Quest really needs to start their directions on #5. I’m pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

8. Obituaries would be a lot more interesting if they told you how the Person died.

9. I can’t remember the last time I wasn’t at least kind of tired.

10. Bad decisions make good stories.

507 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:25:54pm

re: #476 sattv4u2

sadly, none of it

ESPECIALLY the “unfettered capitalism,”

There isn’t an industry in the nation that doesn’t fall under one (or more) regulatory commisions

You need to read the blog post about the 6 worst bosses.

cracked.com

Where were the regulatory commissions back then?

508 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:25:55pm

re: #498 Gus 802

Hey…saw your question in the previous thread. Just add rel=”shadowbox3371ec63” before target= and you can use the link button at the top of the posting box to link your image to whatever text you want.

509 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:26:27pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

However, Bryant and May couldn’t help but notice the other match companies were still making more money. What were they doing wrong? Clearly they weren’t abusing their employees enough… was there some kind of torture device they could be using? Maybe if they just let wild badgers run loose on the production floor?

They needed Shockey Monkeys…

Youtube Video
510 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:26:38pm

Life Observations cont.

11. You never know when it will strike, but there comes a moment at work when you know that you just aren’t going to do anything productive for the rest of the day.

12. Can we all just agree to ignore whatever comes after Blue Ray? I don’t want to have to restart my collection…again.

13. I’m always slightly terrified when I exit out of Word and it asks me if I want to save any changes to my ten-page research paper that I swear I did not make any changes to.

14. “Do not machine wash or tumble dry” means I will never wash this - ever.

15. I hate when I just miss a call by the last ring (Hello? Hello?), but when I immediately call back, it rings nine times and goes to voice mail.
What did you do after I didn’t answer? Drop the phone and run away?

16. I hate leaving my house confident and looking good and then not seeing anyone of importance the entire day. What a waste.

17. I keep some people’s phone numbers in my phone just so I know not to answer when they call.

18. I think the freezer deserves a light as well.

19. I disagree with Kay Jewelers. I would bet on any given Friday or Saturday night more kisses begin with Miller Life than Kay.

20. I wish Google Maps had an “Avoid Ghetto” routing option

511 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:26:51pm

re: #506 cliffster

4. There is great need for a sarcasm font.

Try this…/
Heh.

512 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:27:16pm

re: #508 darthstar

Hey…saw your question in the previous thread. Just add rel=”shadowbox7266527f” before target= and you can use the link button at the top of the posting box to link your image to whatever text you want.

Thanks. I did it before. Now if I could only remember that code: rel=”shadowbox7266527f”.

513 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:27:38pm

re: #479 cliffster

Cocaine sales?

Forum (KQED NPR show) was about the San Francisco crime lab that has caused up to 1600 drug convictions to be overturned because one of the supervisors was sucking up all the evidence.

514 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:27:48pm

re: #502 Cannadian Club Akbar

You made a joke (or hinted) about someones mom. Not the poster. And everyone criticizes others here.

It was the most extreme, silly example of the “you’re so lame” one upmanship game being played.

I think the way I framed it made it quite clear that it was self-conscious parody, not an actual reference to someone’s Mom I’m not even acquainted with.

515 Silvergirl  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:28:11pm

re: #505 palomino

That’s for damn sure—problem is most of them are Rex Reed, not Roger Ebert.

Most of them are Mr. Cranky.

516 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:28:33pm

re: #513 darthstar

Forum (KQED NPR show) was about the San Francisco crime lab that has caused up to 1600 drug convictions to be overturned because one of the supervisors was sucking up all the evidence.

Did you mean “snorting?”

517 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:28:44pm

re: #506 cliffster

Greenheart’d.

518 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:29:06pm

Pedro…. I don’t know how they do it down in Juarez… but here in the Gem State, we have a little thing called pride……

519 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:29:14pm

re: #512 Gus 802

Thanks. I did it before. Now if I could only remember that code: rel=”shadowbox967c7846”.

You’ll get used to it. Another option is to make a text file with the code in it on your desktop and then just copy/paste and replace URL & text when you do. Or just let it link to a new tab/window. But I do think the shadowbox feature is pretty cool. Going to test it out on other forums to see if it works there.

520 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:29:25pm

re: #514 palomino

It was the most extreme, silly example of the “you’re so lame” one upmanship game being played.

I think the way I framed it made it quite clear that it was self-conscious parody, not an actual reference to someone’s Mom I’m not even acquainted with.

Next time tell him he has a small wanker.
/

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:29:34pm

re: #513 darthstar

Forum (KQED NPR show) was about the San Francisco crime lab that has caused up to 1600 drug convictions to be overturned because one of the supervisors was sucking up all the evidence.

Yeah. That’s been fun and games for the past several weeks.

522 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:29:43pm

re: #461 Alouette

I find it ironic that the $100 “American Girl” historical doll Rebecca, of the 1915 era, which is portrayed as a young activist for labor unions, is actually manufactured in freaking China.

My granddaughters all pine for this doll, which I can’t afford to buy them. They other savta took them to the “American Girl” showroom in New York city where they got the baby doll and the “looks just like me” doll, which is slightly less expensive than the historical doll.

Ugh. The whole American Girl thing is sooo radically expensive.

Then they grow out of it. Ever check ebay?

523 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:30:02pm

re: #517 laZardo

Greenheart’d.

awww shucks

524 avanti  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:30:50pm

re: #499 ggt

Rapture!

Obama said it pretty well today:

“Every single day since I signed the reform law, there’s been another poll or headline that said, ‘Nation still divided on health care reform. Polls haven’t changed yet.’ Well, yes. It just happened last week,” Obama said to laughter.

He continued: “Can you imagine if some of these reporters were working on a farm and you planted some seeds, and they came out the next day and they looked and — ‘Nothing’s happened. There’s no crop. We’re going to starve. Oh, no! It’s a disaster!’ It’s been a week, folks. So, before we find out if people like health care reform, we should wait to see what happens when we actually put it into place. Just a thought.”

525 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:30:51pm

re: #519 darthstar

You’ll get used to it. Another option is to make a text file with the code in it on your desktop and then just copy/paste and replace URL & text when you do. Or just let it link to a new tab/window. But I do think the shadowbox feature is pretty cool. Going to test it out on other forums to see if it works there.

Hmm, maybe Charles can make a button for that. Do it automatically.

526 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:30:56pm

re: #461 Alouette

I find it ironic that the $100 “American Girl” historical doll Rebecca, of the 1915 era, which is portrayed as a young activist for labor unions, is actually manufactured in freaking China.

My granddaughters all pine for this doll, which I can’t afford to buy them. They other savta took them to the “American Girl” showroom in New York city where they got the baby doll and the “looks just like me” doll, which is slightly less expensive than the historical doll.

Everything is made in China (regardless of whether it’s the Republic or People’s Republic.)

527 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:31:51pm

re: #520 Cannadian Club Akbar

Next time tell him he has a small wanker.
/

Come on, man. That’s not cool. Don’t be a douchebag./////

Seriously, isn’t questioning a man’s sexual prowess actually worse than the “yo mama” thing?

528 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:32:02pm

And goodnight all. Sweet dreams!

529 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:32:58pm

re: #526 laZardo

Everything is made in China (regardless of whether it’s the Republic or People’s Republic.)

Not me

Back seat of a 47 Chevy (or so my mother claims!)

530 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:07pm

10 Reasons Why Motorcycles are Better Than Cars

1. You can fit 3 or 4 bikes into the space occupied by one car. Make maximum use of a small garage, buy motorcycles.

2. Motorcycles use less gas. 30 miles per gallon is on the low end and smaller engines can get triple digit mileage.

3. Motorcycles outperform cars. Sure, some exotic cars can keep up with a Hayabusa, but not many and the cost is usually 10 or 20 times the cost of the bike, or more.

4. You can rebuild a motorcycle if you’re mechanically inclined, you don’t have to do very much body work. Not being particularly skilled in body and paint, I appreciate this one.

5. Motorcycles cost less. Even classics and collector bikes can often be purchased for the price of a very plain used car.

6. Motorcycle riders are safer, they don’t text on their phones while riding.

7. Motorcycle riding can be really cozy. If you want to be a little closer to your passenger, brake a little quicker for the next stop.

8. Motorcycle riding gets you out in the fresh air. Smell real pine trees, not the scent of a pine shaped deodorizer hanging from the mirror.

9. Motorcycle riding develops your coordination and balance. Brake and clutch levers for your hands, brake and shift gears with your feet, learn to balance at slow speeds, many drivers could never do it.

10. Best of all, there has never been a recall for unintended motorcycle acceleration.

531 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:10pm

re: #527 palomino

Come on, man. That’s not cool. Don’t be a douchebag.///

Seriously, isn’t questioning a man’s sexual prowess actually worse than the “yo mama” thing?

Not a prowess question. A size thing.
/THE WATER WAS REALLY COLD!! OK?!?!?!

532 cliffster  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:21pm

Need to sleep has overcome the need to putz around the living room. Night all. Peace and purpose to everyone.

533 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:22pm

re: #510 cliffster

17. I keep some people’s phone numbers in my phone just so I know not to answer when they call.

I plead the fifth amendment and refuse to answer so as to not incriminate myself…

534 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:28pm

re: #531 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not a prowess question. A size thing.
/THE WATER WAS REALLY COLD!! OK?!?!?!

and deep!

535 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:31pm

re: #349 albusteve

I’m taking out what I paid in…it’s MY money…as for my kids, they are very astute money wise, they know they have to make it on their own dime, not the feds deceit…as for what’s happening around me that I care about, you can only speculate to knife me…this is a news blog, not some weird group therapy…I don’t answer to you or anyone else…and remember, cash rules!

I don’t give a shit about you getting assistance. What I object to is your myopic view of everyone around you and the whinging you do about others ‘living off the government’s teet’ as if they are all subhuman asses just trying to take your money. Yah there are some people too fucking lazy to work or attempt to get out of the rut chance forced them into, but a great many aren’t there because they want to be there. They have no fucking choice, and liberal attempts to help them are done to help everyone.

Conservatives figure crime and violence can be stopped by throwing everyone in jail, making jail a really crappy place so it acts as a more forceful deterrent, and making things like addictions a crime, while at the same time aggravating the core causes of crime and addiction. Liberals would rather spend the money to find out what the core causes are and to deal with the causes rather than the aftermath.

Trust me, liberals don’t want to live around criminals any more than conservatives do, we’d just rather reduce the number without doing it ass backward.

You want to give everyone jobs? Great, that would be a very liberal approach to reduce crime and violence, but as history has shown us, a completely free market isn’t capable of doing that. The closest society to a pure free market that I can think of was 18th/19th century London. Unless you were wealthy, it was a shit hole.

I’ve heard from conservatives that liberals, through programs such as affirmative action are trying to produce equality of outcome, where everyone regardless of ability is rewarded exactly the same. This is crap. What we are aiming for is equality of opportunity. Contrary to the conservative mind set, not everyone has the same opportunity to do well, not everyone is ‘born equal’. For a non-white, or female, innate ability isn’t enough to reach the level the average white male can reach. Even in our enlightened western society, which is far better than most of human cultures, race, gender, belief system, even sex partner is more a determinate of success than innate ability. Until this changes, and it won’t change without changing individual attitudes, programs that level the playing field will be necessary.

536 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:35pm

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

So nothing. If you’re willing to let the high-school teachers of America teach only a small percentage of the population, consisting solely of intelligent, affluent children, I’m sure we can put Greek and Latin back on the menu.

Latin and Greek should be taught in grammar school, beginning in first grade. If you wait till high school it’s too late.

537 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:33:55pm

re: #518 WindHorse

I’d upding you iffn I could….

/wildest dreams can come true

538 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:34:09pm

re: #511 Cannadian Club Akbar

/Like we really need that!


OK. Slash needs to be in front. Not at the bottom, all alone, where nobody notices it.

/I’m sure no more confusion will arise!

539 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:34:40pm

re: #536 Cato the Elder

I thought you’d left for Costa Rica….

540 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:34:43pm

re: #536 Cato the Elder

Latin and Greek should be taught in grammar school, beginning in first grade. If you wait till high school it’s too late.

In case you are curious, I deconstructed Prager on the thread two steps down. Lol it only took me four posts to do!

541 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:35:31pm

re: #531 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not a prowess question. A size thing.
/THE WATER WAS REALLY COLD!! OK?!?!?!

Right, but the really bad thing about lack of size would be the inability to please a woman—much more than the Seinfeld shower jokes, no?

542 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:35:41pm

re: #536 Cato the Elder

Latin and Greek should be taught in grammar school, beginning in first grade. If you wait till high school it’s too late.

That’s a very good point.

543 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:35:59pm

re: #539 WindHorse

I thought you’d left for Costa Rica…

You must have me confused with the Rushhole.

544 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:36:47pm

re: #535 b_sharp

uh oh. It’s probably a good thing probably Steve left a while back.

545 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:37:05pm

re: #537 WindHorse

I’d upding you iffn I could…

/wildest dreams can come true

It will make your palms hairy.

546 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:37:24pm

re: #535 b_sharp

Preach it brother!

547 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:37:34pm

re: #543 Cato the Elder

Life is too short to not do the things you want to do….

Costa…..

Rica….

-what a rush!?!

548 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:38:11pm

re: #530 Racer X


6. Motorcycle riders are safer, they don’t text on their phones while riding.

I beg to differ.

Youtube Video
549 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:38:23pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

OT: Ran across this earlier. Please read the article and let me know what you think. Should this chapel do torn down?

Outcry as chapel built from remains of Hitler’s luxury home becomes Nazi shrine

Wow, what in the hell was the Bavarian State thinking?

Some of the stones are from the terrace of the Berghof - quarried by Jewish slave labourers in concentration camps.

They made a church from the metaphorical bones of the Holocaust? Just wow. WTF doesn’t even begin to cover how perplexed I am by the actual execution of such a deeply and utterly flawed idea. The word fail isn’t big enough to encompass the full gravity of such an incredible fuck up.

550 Silvergirl  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:38:33pm

re: #536 Cato the Elder

Latin and Greek should be taught in grammar school, beginning in first grade. If you wait till high school it’s too late.

I like the idea of that, but it’s quite a challenge to teach English and the other subjects to first graders. I won’t apply for the job, but I’ll applaud anyone who would give it a go.

551 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:39:33pm

re: #544 palomino

uh oh. It’s probably a good thing probably Steve left a while back.

Damn. I was hoping he would see that.

552 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:39:46pm

re: #531 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not a prowess question. A size thing.
/THE WATER WAS REALLY COLD!! OK?!?!?!

I played strip poker once with some friends, one of whom was a girl I really had a crush on, but we had been in and out of the pool all night in december…

I never thought “aww thats cute” could be such a crushing putdown as it was when I lost my underwear… *deep sigh* :(

553 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:40:07pm

re: #541 palomino

The Seinfeld thing was a joke. My joke was a joke.

554 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:40:11pm

re: #548 darthstar

As someone who either drives a car or walks, I’m all for other people riding motorbikes. They’re certainly alot less likely to do ME major harm, and the risks they take themselves are between them and their gods!

555 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:40:41pm

re: #551 b_sharp

It wouldn’t have mattered anyways :P

556 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:41:03pm

re: #552 ausador

I played strip poker once with some friends, one of whom was a girl I really had a crush on, but we had been in and out of the pool all night in december…

I never thought “aww thats cute” could be such a crushing putdown as it was when I lost my underwear… *deep sigh* :(

Ouch.

557 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:41:44pm

re: #554 windsagio

As someone who either drives a car or walks, I’m all for other people riding motorbikes. They’re certainly alot less likely to do ME major harm, and the risks they take themselves are between them and their gods!

You ought to live where I live. There are so many motorcycles that cars are forced to drive safe lest they cause a fatal accident (and lawsuits that will end up miring courts even more for years.)

558 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:41:44pm

I’m out. Still pissed, but out.

559 Racer X  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:41:49pm

re: #552 ausador

I played strip poker once with some friends, one of whom was a girl I really had a crush on, but we had been in and out of the pool all night in december…

I never thought “aww thats cute” could be such a crushing putdown as it was when I lost my underwear… *deep sigh* :(

College must have been no fun at all after that.

560 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:42:18pm

re: #535 b_sharp

I don’t give a shit about you getting assistance. What I object to is your myopic view of everyone around you and the whinging you do about others ‘living off the government’s teet’ as if they are all subhuman asses just trying to take your money. Yah there are some people too fucking lazy to work or attempt to get out of the rut chance forced them into, but a great many aren’t there because they want to be there. They have no fucking choice, and liberal attempts to help them are done to help everyone.

Conservatives figure crime and violence can be stopped by throwing everyone in jail, making jail a really crappy place so it acts as a more forceful deterrent, and making things like addictions a crime, while at the same time aggravating the core causes of crime and addiction. Liberals would rather spend the money to find out what the core causes are and to deal with the causes rather than the aftermath.

Trust me, liberals don’t want to live around criminals any more than conservatives do, we’d just rather reduce the number without doing it ass backward.

You want to give everyone jobs? Great, that would be a very liberal approach to reduce crime and violence, but as history has shown us, a completely free market isn’t capable of doing that. The closest society to a pure free market that I can think of was 18th/19th century London. Unless you were wealthy, it was a shit hole.

I’ve heard from conservatives that liberals, through programs such as affirmative action are trying to produce equality of outcome, where everyone regardless of ability is rewarded exactly the same. This is crap. What we are aiming for is equality of opportunity. Contrary to the conservative mind set, not everyone has the same opportunity to do well, not everyone is ‘born equal’. For a non-white, or female, innate ability isn’t enough to reach the level the average white male can reach. Even in our enlightened western society, which is far better than most of human cultures, race, gender, belief system, even sex partner is more a determinate of success than innate ability. Until this changes, and it won’t change without changing individual attitudes, programs that level the playing field will be necessary.

This is beautiful.

561 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:43:25pm

re: #535 b_sharp

I don’t give a shit about you getting assistance. What I object to is your myopic view of everyone around you and the whinging you do about others ‘living off the government’s teet’ as if they are all subhuman asses just trying to take your money. Yah there are some people too fucking lazy to work or attempt to get out of the rut chance forced them into, but a great many aren’t there because they want to be there. They have no fucking choice, and liberal attempts to help them are done to help everyone.

Conservatives figure crime and violence can be stopped by throwing everyone in jail, making jail a really crappy place so it acts as a more forceful deterrent, and making things like addictions a crime, while at the same time aggravating the core causes of crime and addiction. Liberals would rather spend the money to find out what the core causes are and to deal with the causes rather than the aftermath.

Trust me, liberals don’t want to live around criminals any more than conservatives do, we’d just rather reduce the number without doing it ass backward.

You want to give everyone jobs? Great, that would be a very liberal approach to reduce crime and violence, but as history has shown us, a completely free market isn’t capable of doing that. The closest society to a pure free market that I can think of was 18th/19th century London. Unless you were wealthy, it was a shit hole.

I’ve heard from conservatives that liberals, through programs such as affirmative action are trying to produce equality of outcome, where everyone regardless of ability is rewarded exactly the same. This is crap. What we are aiming for is equality of opportunity. Contrary to the conservative mind set, not everyone has the same opportunity to do well, not everyone is ‘born equal’. For a non-white, or female, innate ability isn’t enough to reach the level the average white male can reach. Even in our enlightened western society, which is far better than most of human cultures, race, gender, belief system, even sex partner is more a determinate of success than innate ability. Until this changes, and it won’t change without changing individual attitudes, programs that level the playing field will be necessary.

Faved and greenheart’d. Remind me to be more descriptive when I decide to lash out.

562 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:43:47pm

re: #549 goddamnedfrank

They made a church from the metaphorical bones of the Holocaust? Just wow. WTF doesn’t even begin to cover how perplexed I am by the actual execution of such a deeply and utterly flawed idea. The word fail isn’t big enough to encompass the full gravity of such an incredible fuck up.

Your view seems to be the consensus here. In some ways I wish the chapel could be left standing, but its now become a monument to a murderer. As such, it must go. A shrine to Hitler cannot be allowed to stand, since it mocks his victims, as well as all that is good and holy.

563 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:44:00pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Damn. I was hoping he would see that.

Don’t worry—chances are he’ll soon repeat most of the statements for which you just criticized him.

I actually agree strongly with the point you made about folks on public assistance. The right has been demonizing them for decades, and the use of terms like “sucking off the public teat” is meant to equate them with animals…and thus make them seem undeserving of help or sympathy.

564 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:45:39pm

re: #553 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Seinfeld thing was a joke. My joke was a joke.

Too many jokes.

565 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:46:05pm

re: #563 palomino

Don’t worry—chances are he’ll soon repeat most of the statements for which you just criticized him.

I actually agree strongly with the point you made about folks on public assistance. The right has been demonizing them for decades, and the use of terms like “sucking off the public teat” is meant to equate them with animals…and thus make them seem undeserving of help or sympathy.

But of course any benefit he receives is his by right!

He’s an utter hypocrite.

566 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:46:20pm

re: #564 palomino

Too many jokes.

Are you joking me?
/

567 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:47:44pm

re: #566 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you joking me?
/

Ehhh, I thought so. Maybe not?

568 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:47:51pm

re: #559 Racer X

College must have been no fun at all after that.

That was during my apprentice electrician days, my only college has been credit courses for continuing education hours as a Master Electrician.

I quit high school at 16 after passing my GED and went to work as an apprentice electrician. Nine years later I owned my own electrical contracting business doing large commercial construction projects. 17 years after that I sold it for a nice sum…

569 darthstar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:48:08pm

Okay folks…time for me to call it a night (that’s code for ‘I’ll probably check back in within the hour only to say good-night again’)

570 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:49:00pm

re: #565 LudwigVanQuixote

But of course any benefit he receives is his by right!

He’s an utter hypocrite.

I can’t argue with that. He can’t really be engaged in good faith debate.

571 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:50:16pm

re: #563 palomino

About the only statement I admit I disagree with is that about affirmative action. Asian-Americans were persecuted like any other minority in the United States (San Francisco’s Chinatown was literally an ethnic ghetto, and don’t forget the “internment” camps) and many indeed still struggle.

On the other hand, many of us in the “Asian-and-Pacific-Islander” bracket have succeeded amidst the hardships. The opportunities available to the ‘majority’ should be made available to everyone, I don’t disagree with that. But those that have taken advantage of these opportunities amidst their struggle shouldn’t be penalized.

/and that’s all I got to say about that. :x

572 WindHorse  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:50:20pm

Mussel Shoalsre: #569 darthstar

Hey Darthstar…. now ask me how much I care….

573 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:50:57pm

re: #567 palomino

Ehhh, I thought so. Maybe not?

OK.

A drunk is in line at the local store. The woman in front of him empties her basket. Some chicken, celery, carrots and some chicken base. The man looks at her and says, “You must be single.” she says, “Yes, I am!! You can tell that by what I buy?” The drunkard says, “No, you’re fucking ugly!”

574 webevintage  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:53:08pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Damn. I was hoping he would see that.

Just save it.
You’ll get the chance to use it again soon enough.

575 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:54:53pm

re: #562 Dark_Falcon

Your view seems to be the consensus here. In some ways I wish the chapel could be left standing, but its now become a monument to a murderer. As such, it must go. A shrine to Hitler cannot be allowed to stand, since it mocks his victims, as well as all that is good and holy.

things to do with material from h*****’s home;

rubble used as drain field for synagogue toilet
shipped overseas to be used for settlement housing
holocaust museums

576 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:55:08pm

What? Lizards are conversing?

577 shiplord kirel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:56:15pm

Had something of a treat today.
I happened to be at my mom’s house when the granddaughter of a friend of hers dropped by with her husband and new baby girl. I mean really new, the baby was born on Tuesday and they had just gotten out of the hospital. She was such a beautiful little person, just 6 pounds 2 ounces but perfectly healthy. Unless you’re a neonatal nurse, you rarely get to see babies that small. She didn’t do much except sleep and let out a single squawk, but my mom and I naturally made a fuss over her and over the new parents.

My older daughter, JJ, was also a tiny baby, less than 6 pounds but my younger daughter, Deedee (who has posted here), was huge, nearly 10 pounds. DD stayed big though not especially heavy. She reached my height (6’1”) when she was 16 and grew another inch before she finally stopped. I happen to know she weighs around 180 pounds now at age 27. This is not an excessive amount for her height at all, though she frets about it. For her part, JJ is 5’2” and almost supernaturally pretty but she too finds fault with her looks and physicality in general. I have always known that women are like that, but I have never understood why.

578 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:56:40pm

re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK.

A drunk is in line at the local store. The woman in front of him empties her basket. Some chicken, celery, carrots and some chicken base. The man looks at her and says, “You must be single.” she says, “Yes, I am!! You can tell that by what I buy?” The drunkard says, “No, you’re fucking ugly!”

Crappy sexist fraternity joke. And very funny.

579 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:57:55pm

re: #577 shiplord kirel

*Awwww*
That is sweet!

580 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:59:19pm

Poverty Map - Appalachia 1990

581 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:59:27pm

re: #535 b_sharp

” What we are aiming for is equality of opportunity. “

I like this, but it sounds like rhetoric. What can we legally do under the Constitution? As far as I know, the only thing we have a Right to is equality under the Law. Pursuit of of Happiness/Opportunity for Happiness is still an individual activity.

I guess, I am looking for specifics of what we can do to equalize opportunity beyond what we have already legislated —cannot discriminate against creed, color, race, sex, disability —we do need to add sexual preference, age.

At some point thre needs of the many conflict with the needs of the one. AT what point does the endless legislation become a hinderence to both?

(random thoughts)

582 swamprat  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 9:59:36pm

re: #578 palomino

After that he did not see her for several days. Finally he could see her just a little bit, out of his right eye…

583 shiplord kirel  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:00:18pm

re: #579 Floral Giraffe

*Awww*
That is sweet!

Babies are much better than kittens, (hellishly expensive though).

584 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:00:20pm

re: #577 shiplord kirel

I dated a 6 foot blond years ago. If I had to guess, 170 or so. My 5’6” friend LOVED her.

585 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:02:04pm

re: #577 shiplord kirel

There’s a whole library to be written about women and body issues. It sucks, that’s all I can say.

586 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:03:32pm

re: #583 shiplord kirel

Babies are much better than kittens, (hellishly expensive though).

cuteness heirarchy

1-Babies
2-Puppies
3-Kittens
4-Hatchlings

587 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:03:46pm

bbiab

588 palomino  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:04:48pm

re: #584 Cannadian Club Akbar

I dated a 6 foot blond years ago. If I had to guess, 170 or so. My 5’6” friend LOVED her.

damn, that’s a whole lotta woman.

589 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:05:58pm

re: #562 Dark_Falcon

I am not a man comfortable with governments acting outside the law.

But if the Mossad fucking blows that place up it’s fine by me. Empty, of course.

What an obscenity.

590 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:08:05pm

re: #589 Obdicut

I am not a man comfortable with governments acting outside the law.

But if the Mossad fucking blows that place up it’s fine by me. Empty, of course.

What an obscenity.

I responded to your comment about the Aish article on the other thread.

591 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:08:51pm

re: #590 LudwigVanQuixote

And I responded back, though rather insufficiently.

592 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:12:21pm

re: #588 palomino

damn, that’s a whole lotta woman.

Zero fat. Art major. Boobs the size of your head. Worked for me.:) I gotta run. I have the morning shift. Night all.

593 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:14:06pm

Say no to socialism! This country must not go down the road to socialized medicine!

Hang on, BRB. Have to make a call to the Medicare office.

/

Operation Coffee Cup: Ronald Reagan’s Early War Against “Socialized Medicine” - AKA Medicare

Youtube Video
594 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:19:20pm

OK, are we alone?

I have a question for the sages here right now. I’m not too comfortable to ask during the hey day of the blog day, but I would like an answer from the knowledgeable lizards.

I hear on this blog insinuations that Obama is not a friend of Israel. Then I hear how everything is the same as before, during the Bush admin.

From my perspective, just as one who follows the news, I see it as: Biden came for visit, settlements announced. I agree with the settlement issue, but do wonder about the timing. Then when Bibi came to the WH, more settlements were announced.

Everyone turned on Obama. Wasn’t there some sort of protocol breached? Etc. Was there an insult? On either part?

Thank you for your answers!

595 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:25:31pm

re: #594 Stanley Sea

OK, are we alone?

I have a question for the sages here right now. I’m not too comfortable to ask during the hey day of the blog day, but I would like an answer from the knowledgeable lizards.

I hear on this blog insinuations that Obama is not a friend of Israel. Then I hear how everything is the same as before, during the Bush admin.

From my perspective, just as one who follows the news, I see it as: Biden came for visit, settlements announced. I agree with the settlement issue, but do wonder about the timing. Then when Bibi came to the WH, more settlements were announced.

Everyone turned on Obama. Wasn’t there some sort of protocol breached? Etc. Was there an insult? On either part?

Thank you for your answers!

I think anytime anyone tries to broker peace in the Middle East, there is going to be backlash. By definition, “broker” means both sides give some. Most of the Lizardland, or at least me, feels that Israel has given enough and it the Palestineans who have to come to grip with reality and realize that the rest of the Arab world is not their friend.

So, whomever is the broker is going to try to get Israel to give up something — that will not it well with Israel supporters, and will be interpreted as being anti-Israel by those that live in a zero-sum reality.
.

596 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:26:09pm

OK, who killed this thread?

BASTARDS!

597 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:26:15pm

Gonna hit the hay. see you folks tomorrow.

598 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:26:26pm

re: #596 ggt

OK, who killed this thread?

BASTARDS!

ME

599 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:27:27pm

re: #510 cliffster

18. I think the freezer deserves a light as well.

~sizzle~*POP!*

“Aw man, you got light bulb in my ice cream”.

“You got ice cream in my light bulb”.

600 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:27:31pm

re: #595 ggt

Thank you for this. I want to understand and learn. You are helping!!

601 laZardo  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:28:17pm

And speaking of which…

Cast Lead II continues.

602 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:28:35pm

re: #594 Stanley Sea

OK, are we alone?

I have a question for the sages here right now. I’m not too comfortable to ask during the hey day of the blog day, but I would like an answer from the knowledgeable lizards.

I hear on this blog insinuations that Obama is not a friend of Israel. Then I hear how everything is the same as before, during the Bush admin.

From my perspective, just as one who follows the news, I see it as: Biden came for visit, settlements announced. I agree with the settlement issue, but do wonder about the timing. Then when Bibi came to the WH, more settlements were announced.

Everyone turned on Obama. Wasn’t there some sort of protocol breached? Etc. Was there an insult? On either part?

Thank you for your answers!

I’m not totally sure what your question is here. Do you think you can boil it down a little?

603 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:30:41pm

re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not totally sure what your question is here. Do you think you can boil it down a little?

Who’s boning who here?

604 Querent  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:32:29pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Looks like this is one of those times when they don’t feel they’re getting enough.

That can be taken how many ways…

605 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:33:50pm

Holy carp, am I way late to this party or what?

Anywho, images of yester-year, when life for the average person did not suck nearly as bad as it does today.

Be sure to click on the pics and read the captions.

Yep. A simpler, better time.

/fuckme!

606 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:34:11pm

re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not totally sure what your question is here. Do you think you can boil it down a little?

Ha ha. Sorry.

Basically, I didn’t see Obama as an “enemy” of Israel during the time he ran for President.

Now I see people talking about him that way and I’m a little confused. When I look at the issues of the past few weeks, I see the Israeli govt. as the ones who caused the ruckus - with the announcements of the settlements - not the Obama admin.

I know people have all these pre-conceived ideas of how Obama is not a friend of Israel, but I’ve never seen it.

novice.

607 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:35:01pm

re: #581 ggt

At some point thre needs of the many conflict with the needs of the one. AT what point does the endless legislation become a hinderence to both?

(random thoughts)

According to many on the Right we are way past that point already and the government is oppressively strangling small business in excessive taxation and regulation.

The problem with that theory is that business taxes are at the lowest point they have ever been since 1945 currently. I have to admit that the paperwork is mountainous and not a lot of fun to fill in or figure out but it isn’t that onerous.

Face it, damn close to four out of five new businesses fail within the first five years, but that is not the governments fault, it is the owners. Either they didn’t have a good marketing plan, did not provide good service, did not provide a valued or needed service, or simply did not provide value for the money charged. The first thing a failing small business stops paying are it’s taxes (unemployment compensation, social security contribution, etc…) because they know the government will take months or even years to catch them and then try to collect.

Eventually when the business is completely bust and they owe the Feds and state government thousands (or tens of thousands), especially those monies that were supposed to come from their own employees paychecks, they say that the government is the one running them out of business. It is nothing but complete and utter bullshit, worse it is fraudulent management based on theft. You can never run a successful business by “robbing Peter to pay Paul” that is why you have commercial credit lines or even better a big pile of “just in case” money in the bank.

The people complaining today about their taxes really have no idea what they are talking about. They should have tried paying the taxes during the beginning of Reagan’s first term, then they would know what real taxes are…hmmph!

608 Querent  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:37:11pm

re: #116 The Sanity Inspector

In 100 years we went from teaching Greek and Latin in high school to teaching remedial reading in college.

but my brother still took Latin in public HS during the mid-80s, so it wasn’t all that fast a slide.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:37:24pm

re: #603 goddamnedfrank

Who’s boning who here?

I’m not sure I have a perfect answer for that. The US has always tried to control the settlements. Israel has always insisted on maintaining control.

From my admittedly biased perspective, I feel that the Obama administration allowed itself to get up on a high horse over, essentially, nothing, and that Bibi is making it clear that Israel will not allow herself to be pushed around so another US president can make bones trying to fix the region.

But that only boils down to: I think Israel was justified in boning, and we weren’t.

610 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:37:50pm

re: #594 Stanley Sea

OK, are we alone?

I have a question for the sages here right now. I’m not too comfortable to ask during the hey day of the blog day, but I would like an answer from the knowledgeable lizards.

I hear on this blog insinuations that Obama is not a friend of Israel. Then I hear how everything is the same as before, during the Bush admin.

From my perspective, just as one who follows the news, I see it as: Biden came for visit, settlements announced. I agree with the settlement issue, but do wonder about the timing. Then when Bibi came to the WH, more settlements were announced.

Everyone turned on Obama. Wasn’t there some sort of protocol breached? Etc. Was there an insult? On either part?

Thank you for your answers!

Most of what I saw seemed to be comparable to the same hair trigger responses we’ve seen with President Obama regarding other policy issues. There was a disagreement between the official channels of both nations regarding settlements. Most of this was blown out of proportion for ideological reasons.

Thus the settlement question fast became a meme to declare the president as being anti-Israel or even worse, anti-Semitic. Both are categorically false. It is important for these people to remember one thing, not everyone in Israel votes for the Likud party and a significant segment of the population vote for the Kadima party.

611 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:39:16pm

re: #606 Stanley Sea

Ha ha. Sorry.

Basically, I didn’t see Obama as an “enemy” of Israel during the time he ran for President.

Now I see people talking about him that way and I’m a little confused. When I look at the issues of the past few weeks, I see the Israeli govt. as the ones who caused the ruckus - with the announcements of the settlements - not the Obama admin.

I know people have all these pre-conceived ideas of how Obama is not a friend of Israel, but I’ve never seen it.

novice.

As I said above, I feel the administration handled the whole thing clunkily, and I’m sort of hacked about that. But I certainly don’t see Obama as an enemy of Israel, and I think he’s been very deliberately painted like that by people who gave Bush a pass because they ‘knew’ he really liked Israel. I think a lot of that is American partisan crap, rather than analysis by people who really know the Middle East, or Israel’s situation.

612 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:39:56pm

re: #608 Querent

They’ve swapped out Greek and Latin for Router Theory and Automated Tech.

/DECLINE!

613 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:42:18pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sure I have a perfect answer for that. The US has always tried to control the settlements. Israel has always insisted on maintaining control.

From my admittedly biased perspective, I feel that the Obama administration allowed itself to get up on a high horse over, essentially, nothing, and that Bibi is making it clear that Israel will not allow herself to be pushed around so another US president can make bones trying to fix the region.

But that only boils down to: I think Israel was justified in boning, and we weren’t.

And you know, in a way I was manipulated up to the high horse.

See the thing is, I pretty much trust that our State Dept. (regardless of who is in office, unless it’s a crazy person) is going to work with Israel always. I think I react more to the outrage I read about Obama and Israel and think, really?

614 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:42:52pm

Overnight thread is up, my cue to go to sleep.

Have a great evening all!

615 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:43:45pm

re: #611 SanFranciscoZionist

As I said above, I feel the administration handled the whole thing clunkily, and I’m sort of hacked about that. But I certainly don’t see Obama as an enemy of Israel, and I think he’s been very deliberately painted like that by people who gave Bush a pass because they ‘knew’ he really liked Israel. I think a lot of that is American partisan crap, rather than analysis by people who really know the Middle East, or Israel’s situation.

Thank you.

616 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:49:37pm

re: #613 Stanley Sea

And you know, in a way I was manipulated up to the high horse.

See the thing is, I pretty much trust that our State Dept. (regardless of who is in office, unless it’s a crazy person) is going to work with Israel always. I think I react more to the outrage I read about Obama and Israel and think, really?

Our relationship with Israel is not going to change much, I absolutely agree. We have a solid alliance, based on real mutual goals and needs.

Despite what many people seem eager to read into Obama, there’s absolutely no indication he wants to change that in any way. His policy closely mirrors that of previous administrations.

These flare-ups about things like Ramat Shlomo are micropolitics, the big picture is not affected. IMHO, of course.

617 Gus  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 10:56:40pm

re: #613 Stanley Sea

And you know, in a way I was manipulated up to the high horse.

See the thing is, I pretty much trust that our State Dept. (regardless of who is in office, unless it’s a crazy person) is going to work with Israel always. I think I react more to the outrage I read about Obama and Israel and think, really?

Have to stay positive. It’ll all work it in the long run.

In the end each nation has to decide what is in their own best interest as dictated by their elected leaders. I don’t have a personal or familial stake in this so whatever they decide as long as it works to their benefit should work out.

Someone mentioned the job creation from settlement growth which I found to be a compelling. They can also create new consumers in previously unpopulated areas.

Surprisingly, this was largely ignored because it was said outside of the context of peace talks:

Now, Israel is going to have to take some difficult steps as well, and I shared with the Prime Minister the fact that under the roadmap and under Annapolis that there’s a clear understanding that we have to make progress on settlements. Settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward. That’s a difficult issue. I recognize that, but it’s an important one and it has to be addressed.

That was said by President Obama on May 18, 2009.

On a practical matter it might be a good idea to leave VP Biden outside of official matters in this case. Perhaps?

618 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 11:18:06pm

re: #612 Slumbering Behemoth

They’ve swapped out Greek and Latin for Router Theory and Automated Tech.

/DECLINE!

There is nothing wrong with learning an honest trade if that is what you are cut out for. You would be suprised at how hard it is to find young people willing to actually work hard through a four year apprenticeship now. Becoming a journeyman electrician or plumber, passing the tests, after your 8000 field hours is not something you can do in school (1200 of the 8000 can be schooling now in Florida).

Yet you can earn as much as many trades that require a college education do, often more if you are willing to travel and work a ridiculous amount of hours.

I’m not saying it is for everyone, but some would be better off learning aviation engine repair or something like that over a course in Greek philosophy…

619 windsagio  Thu, Apr 1, 2010 11:22:26pm

re: #595 ggt

just wanted to pop in late, and mention that this ws really freakin’ wonderful :D

620 Stonemason  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 1:45:14am

re: #439 swamprat

We are the people who couldn’t be constrained by Europe. We are the malcontents, idealists, speculators, dreamers, inventors, debtors and criminals who would not be chained. We don’t play well with others, we are brash, outlandish and cunning.


Another drive by:

I call bullshit on the above. We are the children’s chidren of those people described, they wouldn’t recognize us. They worked, struggled, sweated, and died to make lives better for thier kids, we elect politicians that promise to take care of our kids.
They did things the honest way, through Ellis Island. We accept that illegal immigrants pick our lettuce and cut our lawns, ‘cause we don’t have the time.
They stood up when Kings and Tyrants ruled other parts of the world, helping thier brothers and sisters, we would rather send a strongly worded letter.

I love America and all she stands for, but we are not those people anymore, pretending to be, ignoring the reality of what is going on, is dangerous to the point of suicidal.

621 Stonemason  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 1:47:15am

re: #618 ausador


44 years old, 30 bucks an hour with no college degree (well, I have one now, I just finished)

When I was an actual stonemason those numbers were higher.

622 Diego  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 2:23:44am

People wonder why, in light of all he has done and found himself involved in, Steele is still running the GOP.

I look at the situation and wonder why anyone would think there would be anywhere the GOP would rather have a him than a position of prestige and power which he is uniquely unqualified for and unable top perform the function of.

Michael Steele is the embodiment of the Republican/Conservative/Libertarian/Tea Party/Religious Right/White Supremest ethos [sic] of everything they believe is wrong with the Obama Presidency.

623 ryannon  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 4:58:21am

re: #334 recusancy

No need for the sexism.

albusteve is a notorious sexist prick.

624 ryannon  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 4:59:50am

re: #338 Racer X

Have you seen those ‘people in Walmart’ pics?

Sure. It’s wonderful just to sit there on my ass in front of my computer and feel superior to that human trash!

625 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 6:09:26am

Turn the other cheek?

626 cmb53208  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:12:02am

Many of you I’m sure can remember when that flaming liberal RINO Barry Goldwater pointed out that the religious right was anti-freedom and anti-choice; he even went so far as to say Jerry Falwell needed to be kicked in the ass. So the Republicans may have an opportunity here: if the religious right decides to break off and form the Pentecostal Sharia Party, the Republicans can go back to being for smaller government and personal choice. UNtil then, catering to the Bible thumpers and trying to convince the voting public you’re for smaller government won’t work.

627 limewash  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:04:55am

re: #536 Cato the Elder

Heh, to me Greek and Latin are slowly starting to come back here in Washington State for Home Schoolers. I currently teach my son Latin and Greek words to help them with their vocabulary. It becomes really fun so when he come across a new word they can guess it’s meaning because they’ll recognize the greek spelling. He fell in love with Sonas lately and recognized it when it saw the word Sonar.

628 Ming  Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:06:02pm

So Ted Olson is now an “enemy” of the GOP? Ted Olson is the lawyer who argued Bush vs. Gore before the US Supreme Court. That was in 2000, and it won the election for Bush. Mr. Olson’s wife, Barbara, was in the plane that flew into the Pentagon on September 11. She used to be a prominent conservative commentator on CNN. But all that was before “conservative” meant “crazy”.


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