Erick Erickson Threatens Any Census Taker with Wife's Shotgun

Erick Erickson Threatens Any Census Taker with Wife’s Shotgun

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Speaking of redstate.com blogger Erick Erickson, he said yesterday on his radio show that if anyone tried to get him to fill out the American Community Survey, he would pull out his wife’s shotgun.

ERICKSON: This is crazy. What gives the Commerce Department the right to ask me how often I flush my toilet? Or about going to work? I’m not filling out this form. I dare them to try and come throw me in jail. I dare them to. Pull out my wife’s shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door. They’re not going on my property. They can’t do that. They don’t have the legal right, and yet they’re trying.

Why his “wife’s” shotgun? Is there some reason why Erickson can’t buy his own firearm?

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155 comments

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:30:10am

ERICK ERICKSON HATES THE CONSTITUTION!

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:30:36am

I reiterate my idea from the last thread, does anybody know why it has to be his wife shotgun? Why is Erick hiding behind his wife’s firearm? Why not threaten a government employee with his own weapon? Something that won’t have girly flowers drawn on what’s left of the barrel….

steve_davis Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:31:18am

And CNN has this guy punditing for them. Does a comment like this, in which a blogger threatens to do unjustified lethal harm—resulting in this jackass doing a 10 year stretch as a pass-around prag at a state facility somewhere—not enough to have someone at CNN go, “We’ve got to unload this goober, and we’ve got to do it NOW!” ?

Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:31:33am

Whoa.

The comments at Fox News for their story on Scott Roeder’s sentencing are freaking unbelievable.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

jaunte Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:32:21am

Toilet anxiety.
I wonder why the quick reversion to violence, when anticipating that someone will ask him something he doesn’t think they should. He could just lie about how often he flushes, and win that great victory over the oppressive government.

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:32:29am

My dad is doing census work. Some damn fools comes out with a shotgun, the old man is liable to shove it up said lunatics ass.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:32:42am

So CNN hired an internet tough guy.

Great.

Maybe they can get a 4chan dude as a cultural advisor now.

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:33:57am

re: #7 Obdicut

So CNN hired an internet tough guy.

Great.

Maybe they can get a 4chan dude as a cultural advisor now.

HAHAHA! That could work…
XD

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:34:35am

re: #4 Charles

Whoa.

The comments at Fox News for their story on Scott Roeder’s sentencing are freaking unbelievable.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

“In no way do I condone the killing of any human being, but what “Doctor” Tiller did everyday was the sickest act of murder ever created. Until women start waking up and taking personal responsibility for their bodies unfortunately this kind of insanity will never stop.”

I think reading that made my eyes try to pop out of my skull as an act of self preservation….

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:34:50am

re: #4 Charles

Whoa.

The comments at Fox News for their story on Scott Roeder’s sentencing are freaking unbelievable.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Whole lot of crazy there.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:35:03am

This just proves (as if some of us needed proof) that the media is first and foremost a business, who’s bottom line is to make money. It’s not surprising to me in the least that CNN was out there looking for their “Beck.”

And this will put CNN in the same boat as all the other media outlets who are supporting rhetoric that is dangerous and incendiary.

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:35:37am

re: #7 Obdicut

So CNN hired an internet tough guy.

Great.

Maybe they can get a 4chan dude as a cultural advisor now.

President Barack Obama paid his respect to an off maligned misunderstood group of minorities today… furries….

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:37:33am

Is that CNN’s Erick Erickson?

Keep it up Republicans and Rightwingnuts and your cries of not being represented will actually come true.

bosforus Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:37:37am

There is an apostrophe and an ‘s’ in this title that do not belong. ;)

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:38:04am

re: #4 Charles

Yep:

Our nation IS behaving just like Nazi Germany and those supporting our abortion Holocaust are just like the people who supported Mazism’s 12 Million+ murdered in their Holocaust. If there IS a DIFFERENCE between our pro-abortion folks and the pro-Nazi folks of the 1930’s & 40’s Germany, I’d like to hear one of them explain their justification in this forum for abortions continuance.

Comparison to the holocaust, check.

Considering the number of babies Tiller murdered, he may be one of the most prolific serial killers in history. Roeder sacrificed his future here on earth to stop that monster. Humanity owes Roeder its gratitude for having the guts to stop this evil even if we as a society could not.

Straight-out slavering admiration for a murderer.

How sad that Scott Roeder threw his life away for that baby murdering filthy trash Tiller.

Yes. What a shame. That Roeder won’t get to continue contributing to the world by… wait, what did he do of value again?

Dr. Tiller committed murder everyday. The church that he attended must not have taught Bible principles, or else he would have not felt comfortable occupying a pew every week.

Any church that’s okay with elective abortion isn’t a real Christian church, according to this douchebag.

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:38:35am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That’s an understatement!

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:39:10am

re: #14 bosforus

There is an apostrophe and an ‘s’ in this title that do not belong. ;)

An technically he threatened to threaten….what kind of pussy threatens to threaten.

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:39:40am

re: #15 Obdicut

Yep:

Any church that’s okay with elective abortion isn’t a real Christian church, according to this douchebag.

You’re actually surprised about the entire “Any church that’s okay with elective abortion isn’t a real Christian church, according to this douchebag.” Thing?

To me that seems depressingly main stream idea what with how Senator Kenedy/Nancy Pelosi (those are the two who come to mind I could be wrong) aren’t real Catholics because they’re pro choice…

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:40:16am

re: #17 Jeff In Ohio

An technically he threatened to threaten…what kind of pussy threatens to threaten.

I say good sir if you insist to inflict these barbaric blows upon my personage I shall be left with no choice but to lodge a complaint!

Dancing along the light of day Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:40:32am

Have any of these idiots READ the census form? It took less than 5 minutes to fill out, and wasn’t “invasive” at all!

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:41:35am

re: #17 Jeff In Ohio
Someone not raised with weapons like I was. You pull a gun to use it, not to threaten.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:42:26am

re: #13 Jeff In Ohio

Is that CNN’s Erick Erickson?

Keep it up Republicans and Rightwingnuts and your cries of not being represented will actually come true.

Not being represented? How do you figure that? Evidently, since Erickson will be on CNN, this will me one of the more extreme right wing views to be represented on a “center/left of center” news outlet.

Seems to me the wingnuts are beginning to get good coverage, across the spectrum.

bosforus Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:42:27am

re: #20 Floral Giraffe

Have any of these idiots READ the census form? It took less than 5 minutes to fill out, and wasn’t “invasive” at all!

It took me longer to read the fine print to know exactly what I had to fill out than it did for me to fill out. The only piece of personal information it required was a phone number. No name. No social. Nothing else.

Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:42:57am

I notice that Erickson is especially concerned with the government finding out how often he flushes his toilet.

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:42:59am

Extremist group demands governors resign, FBI says

Washington (CNN) — A domestic extremist group has sent letters to more than 30 U.S. governors demanding they resign, the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI said in an intelligence note.
The note, dated Monday, said the letters told the governors to vacate their posts within three days.

The FBI and DHS said there do not appear to be credible or immediate threats of violence attached to the letters.

The group behind the letters has a “Restore America Plan” that calls for the removal of any governor who fails to comply, the intelligence note said.

While DHS has no information that the removal refers to a specific plan for violence, “law enforcement should be aware that this could be interpreted as a justification for violence or other criminal actions,” the note said.

Other steps in the group’s plan include “establishing bogus courts, calling of ‘de jure’ grand juries, and issuing so-called ‘legal orders’ to gain control of the state,” the note said.

States that have acknowledged receiving the letters include Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Utah, Arkansas, Maine, Colorado, Rhode Island, Michigan, Georgia, Virginia, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio and Nevada.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:43:21am

re: #21 pingjockey

Yeah. And the threat of a gun is that it will be fired. There’s no other way to enact the treat of a gun. So if you pull a gun on someone, you really are saying, ‘This is a killing matter’.

jaunte Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:43:27am

Calderone wasn’t expecting Erickson…

Bring in big personalities
Adding more “edge” in prime time doesn’t necessarily mean rushing out to hire a fire-breathing host from the left or the right. Personalities larger than life, or so normal they stand out, would do the trick.

Michael Wolff, founder of Newser.com and a Vanity Fair contributing editor, pointed out that “the viewing audience is just less and less interested in traditional television, civic-minded news delivered by what are, in effect, news readers.”
How to fix CNN

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:43:34am

I feel it is improper to complain about how much everything money the government spends while forcing them to send federal troops to take a simple census.

I filled mine out and mailed it the day I opened it.

My census will cost very little for the eggheads to process.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:43:43am

re: #16 pingjockey

That’s an understatement!

OK, how about “Its crazier like a bicycle made out of babies” sound?

Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:43:51am

He should just do what I did and use the name “Rusty Shackleford” on the form. In invisible ink.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:09am

re: #24 Charles

I notice that Erickson is especially concerned with the government finding out how often he flushes his toilet.

He’s got a sensitive tummmy.

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:16am

re: #20 Floral Giraffe
They’re off the rails about the “extra” questions. About ethnicity, etc. Instead of just asking about how many people live in the abode. They don’t get that all that data is gonna be put into computers for data crunching, not some sooper sekret gubmint plot. Asshats.

HoosierHoops Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:41am

Yesterday was the hottest day for all of History for Indiana for this date.. Yes for all recorded History
Today will probably set the record also.. Rush? Crickets
Hey Rush! I guess Weather isn’t the same as Climate…
Else..You would have said something…You sure are talking shit during the Winter
Dumbass

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:42am

re: #22 Walter L. Newton

Why the Census is important.

Jaerik Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:46am

Well done, CNN. He’s your guy, now.

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:50am

I wonder what this asshole would do if the Delta Force came to collect the info? It’s possible in theory.
Raise the ante, goofballs, the Constitutional authorities can match every step.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:51am

re: #17 Jeff In Ohio

An technically he threatened to threaten…what kind of pussy threatens to threaten.

I’LL HARM YOU!

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:44:52am

re: #22 Walter L. Newton

Walter! I love the space stuff! Got me some Mars too?! Wow!

cliffster Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:45:02am

re: #4 Charles

Yeah - CNN too.
[Link: www.cnn.com…]

It is a good thing, a blessing even that Tiller the baby killer is dead. Good! I feel sorry for the man who killed him because he did the right thing. May every late-term abortion doctor die

—————————

ROEDER COULD BE THE “END OF DAYS” MARTYR. It’s actually unfolding folks… Armagedeon… That’s my opinion.

—————————

Roeder is a murderer of a mad man doctor who chose to violate his solemn oath to “do no harm” as he slaughtered innocent defenseless babies. Soldiers are murderers too then as they defend OUR rights to freedom and justice FOR ALL – including unborn children.

etc

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:45:34am

re: #24 Charles

I notice that Erickson is especially concerned with the government finding out how often he flushes his toilet.

Could that be connected with his inability to own a firearm? *shudders*

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:45:42am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder what this asshole would do if the Delta Force came to collect the info? It’s possible in theory.
Raise the ante, goofballs, the Constitutional authorities can match every step.

Erickson would scream like a little girl.

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:45:52am

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’LL HARM YOU!

I’LL KILL YOU TO DEATH!

elizajane Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:45:54am

I presume that he can’t buy his own gun because those old felony convictions are coming back to haunt him.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:03am

re: #34 Jeff In Ohio

Census Returns Way Down in Republican Parts of Texas

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:08am

re: #26 Obdicut
My granpa and my dad pounded into my head, a weapon is not for show. If you pull that gun, you better have a damn good reason. Survival as in food or protecting your life/families lives.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:24am

re: #34 Jeff In Ohio

Why the Census is important.

I thought you were referring to representation in the media, I was sort of cross-referencing from the last thread. Sorry.

lawhawk Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:39am

One possible reason Erickson is claiming that he’d use his wife’s shotgun is that he wants to show that his wife is a firearms user in addition to his own firearms (if any) and to attempt to show that perhaps his wife would condone such activity? He’s commented elsewhere about cleaning and readying his own guns for use to defend his “rights”.

Either way, threatening a potential census worker trying to get him to get himself counted so that his state maintains or gains representation in Congress (along with all the rest of the federal dollars that flow based on accurate counts), is not only potentially illegal conduct, but absolutely stupid.

And CNN wants to hire this guy? *facepalm*

marsl Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:43am

Why I feel that those right-wing religious guys are a Christian version of Islamic fundamentalism?
An Christian version of Hamas or Hezbollah are not welcome.

DaddyG Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:45am

Comments like this will get some poor part time census volunteer shot. You know the guy who picked up this temporary minimum wage job to feed his family since his construction company laid him off due to the slow housing market.

That story will go over real well when some nutcase paranoid gets hyped up by a noodle headed pundit who doesn’t know the difference between a government agency trying to equitably distribute tax funds and a nefarious plot by communist overlords to steal his toilet privileges.

Maroon.

(God I’m turning moderate again!)

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:54am

re: #33 HoosierHoops
I now have 1 inch of snow since 8am this morning. It’s spring. Weird weather happens.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:46:57am

re: #24 Charles

I must’ve gotten the short form.

Each person First/Last name, white/black/hispanic/other…

That was it.

I’d have to answer how often do you flush your toilet with, “What day?”

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:47:37am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hahaha! Okay!

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:47:40am

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter! I love the space stuff! Got me some Mars too?! Wow!

Good… now take some time and look it all up on Google and you will get a good idea how neat the stuff is, and the science behind it is wonderful.

I’m glad you are happy. I tried real hard to make a package that would be well worth your purchase.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:47:49am

re: #45 pingjockey

I’m a ‘liberal’ who supports strong 2nd amendment rights, but also strong gun safety. I don’t see any reason why someone who isn’t displaying proper gun safety shouldn’t be ticketed just like someone who isn’t driving safely.

cliffster Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:47:49am

Actually I tend to agree with Erikson and the other people talking about the census. It would be easy enough for the feds to gather the info they need from the satellites they have trained on us. They are already watching pretty much our every move, why not just hook into that system?

cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:09am

I filled out my census form and sent it in immediately. Not that it will do any good. They spent so much money on this I am convinced the Democrat Bureaucrats are just straight up incompetent, because so many of them have social service or government back grounds and have never been held account to a bottom line.

Have any of you seen the deficit/debt projections? Seriously, we are looking at a national sales tax and government implemented inflation in order to honor our debt obligations alone!

Bright side? All of our slacker 20 something children get to keep mooching our health plans for up to another 5 years.

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:10am

re: #49 DaddyG

Comments like this will get some poor part time census volunteer shot. You know the guy who picked up this temporary minimum wage job to feed his family since his construction company laid him off due to the slow housing market.

That story will go over real well when some nutcase paranoid gets hyped up by a noodle headed pundit who doesn’t know the difference between a government agency trying to equitably distribute tax funds and a nefarious plot by communist overlords to steal his toilet privileges.

Maroon.

(God I’m turning moderate again!)

It happens whenever the moon is full, I turn into the most horrific creature imaginable, A DEMOCRAT! DUNnnnnn DUNNNNNN DUNNNNNHHHH!

lawhawk Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:11am

re: #24 Charles

Free flowing scatological comments to persist as it circles the drain.

Spider Mensch Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:29am

My wife and myself started a family gealogy study last year, and to go back into the census reports from the late 1800’s was emmensly helpful in completing and tying together branches of our family back several generations, into the great, great, great grandparents times. Very helpful. So completing the census may help some future member of your family remember You! of course in this guy erickson’s case, maybe it’s best he doesn’t care about by his future family members, they may not want to associate. maybe he and his wife have decided not to reproduce? see a silver lining to every cloud!

prairiefire Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:30am

re: #24 Charles

How often he plugs it up, rather. That face. He needs more fiber.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:32am

re: #39 cliffster

Yeah - CNN too.
[Link: www.cnn.com…]

etc

Both networks need to start moderating their comments. Debate is always to be welcomed, contention is normal, but respectable organizations should not allow nutcases to post crazy talk on their sites. Such comments should be deleted and serious infractions should result in a ban on posting comments.

Shill Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:43am

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Some people take a ton of pride in noting that their family members are empowered with guns. I usually note our family gun is my wife’s, too. Of course, the obvious implication is he’s a convicted felon. But I looked him up and I can’t find any evidence of that. I suppose he could be a wife-beater. But it’s rude to suggest that without any evidence. And this really is not evidence.

I remember that G Gordon Liddy, from maybe ten years ago, going on about his wife’s guns, because he’s a convicted felon and can’t own any.

Either way, it’s not the census worker’s fault that this expanded questionnaire is so intrusive. I don’t agree with the logic that asking about race is constitutional just because they did it in slave-owner times. It’s nakedly about gerrymandering, and I don’t appreciate it.

But why bring a gun into that situation? Whether it’s your wife’s or not, that’s wrong. Refuse to comply, and pay for few hundred bucks. Just tell them how many people are in your house (confounding the hell out of your decedents who will realize you failed to do a basic civil duty).

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:44am

Gee, we don’t even have ACORN to kick around anymore, but the nuts hardly noticed.

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:57am

re: #56 cgn38navy

Heh, or they spent so much money to counter the wingnut paranoia about the census???

Jaerik Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:49:14am

FiveThirtyEight has already pretty strongly debunked the story about census returns being down in conservative states.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:49:21am

re: #47 lawhawk

One possible reason Erickson is claiming that he’d use his wife’s shotgun is that he wants to show that his wife is a firearms user in addition to his own firearms (if any) and to attempt to show that perhaps his wife would condone such activity? He’s commented elsewhere about cleaning and readying his own guns for use to defend his “rights”.

Either way, threatening a potential census worker trying to get him to get himself counted so that his state maintains or gains representation in Congress (along with all the rest of the federal dollars that flow based on accurate counts), is not only potentially illegal conduct, but absolutely stupid.

And CNN wants to hire this guy? *facepalm*

Well of course they do. Like I said above, bottom line is money. There ws just a poll out showing Fox to be dominating the market share for the tabloid news type shows.

Do you think CNN cares more about position than money. No way, this is a brilliant move on CNN’s part.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:49:56am

re: #58 lawhawk

All things scatalogical
All feces great and small
All poop in the toiletbowl
Us poopers made them all.

Juvenile? Sure.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:10am

re: #55 cliffster

Actually I tend to agree with Erikson and the other people talking about the census. It would be easy enough for the feds to gather the info they need from the satellites they have trained on us. They are already watching pretty much our every move, why not just hook into that system?

…this head movie makes my eyes rain!

pingjockey Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:15am

re: #54 Obdicut
No ticket in my house, just a very sore butt from being smacked!

cliffster Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:23am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Both networks need to start moderating their comments. Debate is always to be welcomed, contention is normal, but respectable organizations should not allow nutcases to post crazy talk on their sites. Such comments should be deleted and serious infractions should result in a ban on posting comments.

In their defense, it’d be very difficult to do a real good job on the big news sites. They have tons of articles published every single day. It would take a whole crew of people working full time to monitor everything well. Option B: don’t allow comments.

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:29am

re: #56 cgn38navy

I filled out my census form and sent it in immediately. Not that it will do any good. They spent so much money on this I am convinced the Democrat Bureaucrats are just straight up incompetent, because so many of them have social service or government back grounds and have never been held account to a bottom line.

Have any of you seen the deficit/debt projections? Seriously, we are looking at a national sales tax and government implemented inflation in order to honor our debt obligations alone!

Bright side? All of our slacker 20 something children get to keep mooching our health plans for up to another 5 years.

My brother has ADHD, he’s also graduated from William and Marry with a chemistry degree and has had some trouble finding work recently. He’s two/three (depending on time of year) older than me. He’ll now be covered so he doesn’t have to spend $300 a month on his ADHD meds.

Spider Mensch Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:29am

re: #59 Spider Mensch

pimf..gealogy = genealogy ;)

Olsonist Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:43am

re: #13 Jeff In Ohio

TPM was pretty good at pointing out Michelle Bachmann’s census hypocrisy. First she loudly boycotts the census. Then when she was informed that Minnesota was likely to lose a seat and that that seat would likely be hers, she 180d.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:50:56am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

They’re going to try to “Out-Beale” each other.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:51:05am

re: #59 Spider Mensch

We have a genealogy going back to the 8th century (thank you Mormons!). No rocks in our family, though.

Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:51:16am

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All things scatalogical
All feces great and small
All poop in the toiletbowl
Us poopers made them all.

Juvenile? Sure.

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

lawhawk Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:52:32am

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Well, their website went dark as of yesterday (no April Foolin’ there). But the group’s housing unit has reorganized and renamed itself as Affordable Housing Centers of America. The NY ACORN has renamed itself New York Communities for Change, but isn’t providing more than a placeholder page for the moment.

cliffster Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:52:42am

re: #68 Jeff In Ohio

…this head movie makes my eyes rain!

Hehe, what a cast that was.

jaunte Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:52:46am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

I would bet that now he’s on the air he’ll be backing down from the more extreme comments that got him notoriety, and he won’t have enough other talents to stay for long.

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:52:48am

re: #76 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Peter: “I’m looking for some toilet training books.”
Salesman: “We have the popular “Everybody Poops”, or the less popular “Nobody Poops but You”.”
Peter: “Well, you see, we’re Catholic…”
Salesman: “Ah, then you’ll want “You’re a Naughty, Naughty Boy, and That’s Concentrated Evil Coming Out the Back of You”.”

Cato the Elder Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:54:04am

re: #24 Charles

I notice that Erickson is especially concerned with the government finding out how often he flushes his toilet.

He may be practicing for when the DEA comes a-knockin’.

justaminute Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:54:12am

I guess Erick son of Erick thinks that city and state planning for things as sewage and roads are just a Dem/Rep issue.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:54:21am

re: #70 cliffster

In their defense, it’d be very difficult to do a real good job on the big news sites. They have tons of articles published every single day. It would take a whole crew of people working full time to monitor everything well. Option B: don’t allow comments.

I’d be OK with that Option B. I believe that letting crazies around turns comment threads to shit. Better not to have them at all.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:55:18am

re: #65 Jaerik

Thanks for that.

bosforus Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:55:52am

re: #59 Spider Mensch

My wife and myself started a family gealogy study last year, and to go back into the census reports from the late 1800’s was emmensly helpful…

Don’t forget ship records!
The first of my last name came to America on the Lydia, October 13th 1749. Genealogy is super fun stuff if you’ve got the time and patience.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:58:50am

re: #79 jaunte

I would bet that now he’s on the air he’ll be backing down from the more extreme comments that got him notoriety, and he won’t have enough other talents to stay for long.

They wouldn’t have hired him if he was going to tone it down. Why would they need another middle of the road talking head, they have plenty. No, he was hired for being just what he is, and CNN is only interested in the ratings.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the media doesn’t give a shit about partisan politics, only the bottom line, money. They will play whatever game they need to to bring in the revenue.

Problem is, the general public is short on memory and tends to forget that these folks are not in business to support the public perception of anything, they are in it to ride on the trends of the publics whims, and currently, it pays to be on the anti-Obama bandwagon.

It’s a bad time to switch sides, in the realm of media, the crazy conservative stuff is selling.

bosforus Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:58:52am

re: #85 bosforus

Correction - the first of my last name in my line of descent.

jaunte Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:00:47am

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

I agree that CNN is in it for the money, I just don’t think Erickson has what it takes to be a successful Beck clone.

cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:01:30am

re: #15 Obdicut

This is tricky and I’m sure to offend. Sorry in advance and I’ll try to be gentle.
Many people feel that just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it isn’t horrific and evil. Cultures have a way of legistlating for convenience of the times. Many examples throughout history. Also, many people feel that the end justifies the means. When you take those things into consideration it is easy to see why some people celebrated this murder.
I have nothing but sympathy for Dr. Tiller’s family, but I think partial birth abortion is an atrocity. I don’t believe any person should be murdered. I’m also against the death penalty, so I’m not your usual conservative.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:02:29am

re: #88 jaunte

I agree that CNN is in it for the money, I just don’t think Erickson has what it takes to be a successful Beck clone.

I see… well, that’s possible, I don’t know, I never watch any of this stuff, right or left, crazy or not, I wasn’t critiquing him, just the business.

cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:04:00am

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

James Herriot is rolling in his grave.

jaunte Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:04:21am

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

Well, I think you’re absolutely right about the business end. TV news hasn’t been a principled activity in a long time.

allegro Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:07:11am

re: #89 cgn38navy

When you take those things into consideration it is easy to see why some people celebrated this murder.

Bull. Perhaps if you, and they, got a bit of education on WHY late term abortions are done and needed, often to save women’s lives, you’d know how completely ignorant and abhorant this comment is.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:07:45am

re: #89 cgn38navy

Partial birth abortion is so vanishingly rare, and done almost exclusively in times of medical necessity. Losing Dr. Tiller means that, most likely, some women will die in the future. Yay.

Many people feel that just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it isn’t horrific and evil. Cultures have a way of legistlating for convenience of the times.

Yeah. I understand that perfectly well. If the people celebrating this murder actually feel that abortion is murder, then they should take up arms and rise up against it.

That they don’t shows, to me, that they understand that it is not actually murder. Or they’re just fucking cowards, but I think it’s an implicit realization that abortion is not akin to murder, at all.

cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:08:16am

re: #71 jamesfirecat

okay- to get personal. I(we the taxpayers) have to support your brother’s prescription medicine by way of taxes because he chose to go to a very expensive private school and not enter the work force at an earlier age? Nice.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:10:28am

re: #95 cgn38navy

Now you’re just being an asshole.

jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:11:37am

re: #95 cgn38navy

okay- to get personal. I(we the taxpayers) have to support your brother’s prescription medicine by way of taxes because he chose to go to a very expensive private school and not enter the work force at an earlier age? Nice.

Wow, now you’re gonna blame my brother for choosing to get an education above a high school diploma? All class man, all class.

webevintage Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:12:36am

re: #56 cgn38navy

Bright side? All of our slacker 20 something children get to keep mooching our health plans for up to another 5 years.

Missing a sarc tag perhaps?

allegro Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:13:13am

re: #98 webevintage

Missing a clue is more like it.

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DaddyG Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:13:45am

re: #95 cgn38navy

okay- to get personal. I(we the taxpayers) have to support your brother’s prescription medicine by way of taxes because he chose to go to a very expensive private school and not enter the work force at an earlier age? Nice.

The difference being when his brother finds a job (which he will because he bothered to educate himself) he will be pouring a lot more money back into the system via his payroll and company taxes than he ever took out.

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prairiefire Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:14:29am

re: #97 jamesfirecat

I have observed it is easy for many conservatives to judge people. the conservatives I know do it all the time. It makes it easier to deprive people of things if they did not meet the qualifications of deserving it to begin with.

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:15:33am

re: #96 Obdicut

Life is tough all over. I try to do my part to help my family and my community but this issue has me (and a lot of others) very upset. Name calling won’t fix it. Of course, I want everyone to have a better quality of life, but this bill has too many problems.

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DaddyG Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:16:05am

re: #56 cgn38navy

Bright side? All of our slacker 20 something children get to keep mooching our health plans for up to another 5 years.

I’m not a fan of the huge yet undefined health care bill and the nonpartisan way it was forced through reconciliation- however The fact that I can keep my 19 year old who suffers from several chronic conditions and has taken an extra year to graduate high school becuse of numerous surgeries and disability will be allowed to stay on my family plan for a few more years so she can finish college herself.

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webevintage Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:16:59am

re: #95 cgn38navy

okay- to get personal. I(we the taxpayers) have to support your brother’s prescription medicine by way of taxes because he chose to go to a very expensive private school and not enter the work force at an earlier age? Nice.

Oh, now I get it.
You are just a moron who has no fucking idea what he is spouting off about.

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DaddyG Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:17:11am

re: #101 prairiefire

I have observed it is easy for many conservatives to judge people. the conservatives I know do it all the time. It makes it easier to deprive people of things if they did not meet the qualifications of deserving it to begin with.

Judgementalism is a bipartisan thing. I’ve had a tendency to notice opinionated asshats cover the political spectrum.

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:18:53am

re: #101 prairiefire

re: #100 DaddyG

You can only be deprived of something that you EARNED to begin with. Deserve has nothing to do with it. Conceptual error.

Good point Daddy G. That may actually be the case, but I thinks James brother will be the exception, rather than the rule. Spending projections support my pessimism.

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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:19:42am

re: #102 cgn38navy

Life is tough all over. I try to do my part to help my family and my community but this issue has me (and a lot of others) very upset. Name calling won’t fix it. Of course, I want everyone to have a better quality of life, but this bill has too many problems.

Fine then, you can start the healing process by apologizing to my brother for suggesting that he did something wrong in life by deciding to go to a well known respected college where he could educate himself above and beyond what the government would fully pay for rather than flipping burgers with a high school diploma….

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DaddyG Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:20:29am

I wonder if healthy productive citizens who don’t have to walk into a welfare office or file medicaid claims have any idea how much of their state’s funds are spent on them for education, infrastructure, enviroment, business and trade, etc? In fact wealthy suburban areas often cost more per citizen to serve due to geography and the services they draw on to support industry and schools. Granted it is better to have citizens off of welfare but the working guys who protest they pay their share have little clue how much of their tax dollars come right back to their own comfortable communities.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:20:30am

re: #106 cgn38navy

You’re the ultimate short-term thinker, penny-wise and pound-foolish.

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prairiefire Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:20:56am

re: #105 DaddyG

You are right. I am always repeating this argument to myself while I am silently furious with my conservative relatives, et al.
And I do mean silently as Lord knows, they love a fight. Way more aggressive personalities than this docile liberal./ I am not fighting with them anymore, but I still fume.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:21:04am

re: #108 DaddyG

Wonderful post.

You are turning into a moderate again.

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prairiefire Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:21:34am

re: #107 jamesfirecat

I think you just made him wretch with “healing process”.

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DaddyG Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:22:13am

re: #111 Obdicut

Wonderful post.

You are turning into a moderate again.

Damn! Grandmas gonna return from the dead and kick my butt. She thought Nixon got the shaft.

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:22:23am

re: #103 DaddyG

I never said that all of the reforms were bad, just that this particular bill is too much. I agree, family and group plans needed to be extended and I too am benefiting by it (my son will be on my plan longer also) but we republicans missed (and in some ways excluded) a good oppurtunity to get on board and contribute and limit aspects of healthcare reform. Hopefully the courts will limit it.

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webevintage Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:22:59am

re: #103 DaddyG

I’m not a fan of the huge yet undefined health care bill and the nonpartisan way it was forced through reconciliation- however The fact that I can keep my 19 year old who suffers from several chronic conditions and has taken an extra year to graduate high school becuse of numerous surgeries and disability will be allowed to stay on my family plan for a few more years so she can finish college herself.

And this will cost the taxpayers what?
Nothing.
Not one red cent.
Of all the things for someone to be annoyed about in the HC plan, the fact that parents can help their young adult children who are just starting out by keeping them on their insurance plan is beyond redonkulos.

I guess cgn38navy is worried that someone might be getting something that he himself never got.

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:29:27am

re: #107 jamesfirecat

Here’s the thing. You are either fiscally responsible for your choices, or not. There’s a safety net as a matter of humanity and the US has many great safety nets.
I believe that if work hard and make the right choices generally you will get ahead and you should be able to reap the financial rewards of your hard work and choices.
I don’t care for the alternative.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:30:57am

re: #116 cgn38navy

Then why the fuck did you attack someone for going to college?

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:31:48am

re: #109 Obdicut

We’ll see shortly. The financial mess of the policies you endorse will either occur or not. I will be happy to be wrong.

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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:33:24am

re: #89 cgn38navy

This is tricky and I’m sure to offend. Sorry in advance and I’ll try to be gentle.
Many people feel that just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it isn’t horrific and evil. Cultures have a way of legistlating for convenience of the times. Many examples throughout history. Also, many people feel that the end justifies the means. When you take those things into consideration it is easy to see why some people celebrated this murder.
I have nothing but sympathy for Dr. Tiller’s family, but I think partial birth abortion is an atrocity. I don’t believe any person should be murdered. I’m also against the death penalty, so I’m not your usual conservative.

Partial birth abortion is not what the name says it is. It isn’t abortion. It’s on the line between abortion and infanticide, and the morality of this gravely dubious procedure hinges on the question of whether the procedure is necessary to preserve the life of the mother.

If for some medical reason she cannot safely deliver, and cannot safely undergo a C-section, then, most regrettably, there is nothing for it but to do what has to be done to save the life of the mother.

That’s assuming she’d rather live, than give life to her baby but die as a result of the C-section. This just has to be her decision. The law cannot take it away from her. And it has to be her decision even if a C-section is merely life-threatening, rather than certain death.

Most partial-birth abortions have nothing at all to do with protecting the life of the mother. There is, in most cases, no real medical reason why the procedure could not be modified by deleting one small part of it, the part where the baby is killed. Biologically, a full term, healthy fetus is the same thing as a baby, give or take pedantic distinctions.

All this does not make partial birth abortions an atrocity, and it does not make those who kill abortionists heroes. Quite the contrary. Whatever the law may be, and even if it permits morally offensive things, we won’t be able to live with each other if every man is his own judge, jury, and firing squad. When the matter is sufficiently important, as with slavery, sometimes there may be no other answer than to kill each other until the pro-slavery side has had enough and yields the point. Partial birth abortion is a lesser evil than civil war. We have to put up with it, and work through persuasion and example to limit its frequency.

Killing abortionists teaches by example that killing people to get what you want is just fine, if you really really want it. That kind of mindset is exactly the problem. Mr. what’s his name, who should not even get any fame for what he did, has much to be ashamed of, and if he thinks he’s indirectly prevented a lot of abortions, he’s wrong. He’s made matters worse by every standard, even his own if he but understood.

Not that he does. Damned glory hound.

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:33:54am

re: #117 Obdicut

I didn’t attack the fact he went to college, I attacked the fact that he went to an expensive private college but couldn’t provide his own health care plan. Priorities, my foul mouthed friend.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:34:55am

re: #120 cgn38navy

It can be hard to pay for such things at times. Don’t be so hostile.

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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:35:35am

re: #116 cgn38navy

Here’s the thing. You are either fiscally responsible for your choices, or not. There’s a safety net as a matter of humanity and the US has many great safety nets.
I believe that if work hard and make the right choices generally you will get ahead and you should be able to reap the financial rewards of your hard work and choices.
I don’t care for the alternative.

Here’s the thing, graduating from college means you’re 21/22 by the time it happens.

If you want to go for a PHD/masters it takes even longer.

Excuse me for thinking that as long as a person can be striving to further educate themsevles so they can give back more to society, society should cut them the slack of letting their parent’s insurance cover their medication.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:36:19am

re: #119 lostlakehiker

Most partial-birth abortions have nothing at all to do with protecting the life of the mother. There is, in most cases, no real medical reason why the procedure could not be modified by deleting one small part of it, the part where the baby is killed. Biologically, a full term, healthy fetus is the same thing as a baby, give or take pedantic distinctions.

You’re lying. None of those statements are true.

Stop being such a zealot, man. It’s not healthy.

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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:37:44am

re: #93 allegro

Bull. Perhaps if you, and they, got a bit of education on WHY late term abortions are done and needed, often to save women’s lives, you’d know how completely ignorant and abhorant this comment is.

You are mistaken as to the facts. Most pb abortions are not in fact done because the life of the mother is endangered. They’re a convenient way to get around having missed the chance to do it earlier when it would have been medically easier and morally less fraught.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:37:44am

re: #120 cgn38navy

He probably didn’t pay for college, either. And now his parents are going to continue to pay for his health insurance. There is nothing goddamn wrong with that.

Christ, this day is turning into an anger fountain. I better go look at some videos of boxer puppies.

Youtube Video

That’s better.

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allegro Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:39:51am

re: #124 lostlakehiker

You are mistaken as to the facts. Most pb abortions are not in fact done because the life of the mother is endangered. They’re a convenient way to get around having missed the chance to do it earlier when it would have been medically easier and morally less fraught.

Total and complete bullshit.

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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:40:56am

re: #120 cgn38navy

I didn’t attack the fact he went to college, I attacked the fact that he went to an expensive private college but couldn’t provide his own health care plan. Priorities, my foul mouthed friend.

He can affoard to pay for the meds, I’m just glad that he doesn’t have to.

By the way I guess since my family is only upper middle class (hell I’ll fucking admit it my family owns three homes, we rent two of them out most of the time, and aside from our main one, one of them is like a hotel sweet, kitchen and two bedrooms, while the other has a two bedrooms, a main room and a kitchen) we should know our place and go to state schools (we’re from Maryland W&M is in Virginia for those who didn’t know) since he didn’t have the money to pay for it right this instant.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:41:32am

re: #7 Obdicut

So CNN hired an internet tough guy.

Great.

Maybe they can get a 4chan dude as a cultural advisor now.

“We’re getting a breaking news report interrupting the Situation Room…preliminary reports indicate that Longcat is Long.”

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cgn38navy Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:44:11am

re: #125 Obdicut

Good Video. Jack Johnson is good, too. I feel better now after watching, also. I hope you have a Happy Easter!

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palomino Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:46:16am

wtf is Erickson talking about? putting aside positive reasons for a census, how is this year’s census any more tyrannical than the previous twenty.

If this is Erickson’s shtick, he won’t last long on cnn.

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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:46:32am

re: #116 cgn38navy

Here’s the thing. You are either fiscally responsible for your choices, or not. There’s a safety net as a matter of humanity and the US has many great safety nets.
I believe that if work hard and make the right choices generally you will get ahead and you should be able to reap the financial rewards of your hard work and choices.
I don’t care for the alternative.

By the way what should the right choice have been for my brother?

Should he have handicapped his education and possible career employment chances by going to a less expensive/prestigious school than W&M when he had the good enough test scores to get accepted by them so that he’d save enough money to be able to afford to pay for his meds easily during this economic down turn that he could see coming back in 2003 when he was picking out what college to go to?

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:47:08am

Is there some secret census form that’s different from this one?

[Link: 2010.census.gov…]

That’s the one I got. My friggin’ 1040A form asked far more “personal” questions, as did the last job application I filled out, as did my auto loan application.

Why is there special hatred / paranoia reserved for the census of all things?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:47:22am

re: #127 jamesfirecat

He can affoard to pay for the meds, I’m just glad that he doesn’t have to.

By the way I guess since my family is only upper middle class (hell I’ll fucking admit it my family owns three homes, we rent two of them out most of the time, and aside from our main one, one of them is like a hotel sweet, kitchen and two bedrooms, while the other has a two bedrooms, a main room and a kitchen) we should know our place and go to state schools (we’re from Maryland W&M is in Virginia for those who didn’t know) since he didn’t have the money to pay for it right this instant.

Screw that dude, he’s working backwards from the solution, he’s already got his argument set.

My family is also upper middle class, dad’s a successful attorney, and they almost got 100% wiped out, bankrupted, about lost our home, everything EVERYTHING because of a medical bill insurance refused to cover.

So sorry, cgn38navy, your haughty beardo act doesn’t fly with us. Whinge, partisan, whinge! Judge, partisan, judge!

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:47:32am

re: #65 Jaerik

FiveThirtyEight has already pretty strongly debunked the story about census returns being down in conservative states.

I think most people simply don’t pay that much attention to this nonsense.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:48:34am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

By the way what should the right choice have been for my brother?

Should he have handicapped his education and possible career employment chances by going to a less expensive/prestigious school than W&M when he had the good enough test scores to get accepted by them so that he’d save enough money to be able to afford to pay for his meds easily during this economic down turn that he could see coming back in 2003 when he was picking out what college to go to?

The dude’s full of shit. Not worth talking to. HAY GUYS I AM NAVY AND ALSO PSYCHIC I JUDGE THEE I JUDGE ALSO OBAMACARE

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palomino Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:50:24am

re: #4 Charles

Nobody wants to talk about it, understandably, but if these loons justify Roeder’s actions, then what other prominent people would they justify being killed? Especially in the name of saving some idealized vision of America.

It’s the rotten core of teabag lunacy.

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palomino Fri, Apr 2, 2010 11:54:11am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

It’s always so easy for self-righteous moralizers to preach “fiscal responsibility” when they don’t have any catastrophic illnesses or layoffs in the family, or any other of the financial problems that hit most Americans at some point in their lives.

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shill Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:05:49pm

re: #132 negativ

Let’s be honest. There is, indeed, a special census form Erick is probably referring to (I don’t really read anything he writes). It is pretty intrusive. The normal form isn’t, aside from the nonsense lecture about how Pakistani is a race and Mexican isn’t and this is an ethnicity and that’s a race.

The longer form asks a lot of personal questions. I probably wouldn’t fill that out, either, if I didn’t want the government to know that stuff. I think the federal government should be minimally concerned with most of that stuff, and should have no idea or interest in what race I am.

Still, it’s not hard to just to answer the questions you’re comfortable with, and politely decline the one’s you aren’t. Threatening workers with a shotgun is absolutely insane. These are temporary workers who probably are not having a great time in this economy and are just doing the best they can under a divisive administration. It’s not their fault they are mistakenly associated with ACORN or big government. They are actually performing a valuable task, and are going to be hassled relentlessly as they do it.

I happen to know that the Census is not going to hassle you if you answer the most basic questions. This happens every ten years (not to this degree). They need to know how many people live in your house, and if they can find out, even from your neighbors, they will drop it.

But let’s not forget that Obama affiliated this Census with ACORN at an early stage, which is what got this off to a very bad start in the eyes of many citizens who know ACORN’s related to SDS, and employs a lot of bad people. Not an excuse for shotguns, but it was a stupid move. Imagine if Bush had tried to affiliate his census (a major election mechanism) with a strictly partisan outfit with dozens of guilty pleas in election fraud crimes?

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ssn697 Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:12:40pm

Good to see he has toned down the BS now that he is a middle of the road pundit for CNN…

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Shill Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:19:51pm

re: #136 palomino

Hey, is it really fair to say that the Tea party is just a bunch of loons who justify the Tiller homicide? I’m sure there are a few insane people in the Tea party who feel that way, but there are loons in any huge organization of normal folks.

Sure, Erick’s shotgun comment really hurts his reputation (if he had one, I don’t follow him aside from his very censor happy website). But why should everyone be tarred with the few nuts? Doesn’t that make it too easy for both sides to try to promote the extremists on their opposite side?

We know that the IRS bomber had a huge problem with Republicans and I think it’s fair to say he liked communism as opposed to our present government. The only partisan among the recently arrested militia was a democrat. Of the 6 assassinated US Presidents, 5 were Republicans and the Democrat was killed by someone more liberal than he was. The left cheered a bit more than I’m comfortable with when someone threw an object at Bush, just as the nuts on the right would probably cheer if someone physically threw their shoe at President Obama. Over a thousand white Republicans were lynched by the Klan (which had identical leadership structure to the Democratic Party in at least two states in the south, as was basically just the part by another name). There were liberals with signs like “I support the troops when they shoot their officers!” and “Fuck ‘em!”

What is the relevance of all this extremism? Logically, there is no relevance. I could go all day long pointing out violence from Democrats or liberals, and you could go all day pointing out violence from Republicans and conservatives (such as the Tiller murder). Those people are awful and those things are awful. But when we start to pretend they comprise the entire movement we disagree with, we are making an obvious and lazy fallacy.

And worse, we’re encouraging the charlatans out there to promote and hype the sick stuff. Like those Black Congressmen who tried to say they were spat on and called the N word. It’s my opinion that they were trying to goad extremism so they could tarnish the legitimate, not extreme opposition to Health Care. They wouldn’t do that if we didn’t let that argument work.

There are legitimate arguments from left and right, and if we just condemn all the psychos together while realizing they are just insane, I think we all benefit greatly. I do not think it’s fair to say the comparably peaceful and pleasant Tea party protests (when compared to the similarly sized protests against Bush) are some kind of monster of violence related to the abortionist murder.

I am asking the folks here, many of whom do not see eye to eye with me, to respect me despite our differences. I’m a Tea partier, I oppose most of Obama’s policies, and I am not a violent person nor do I tolerate violence. I condemn it.

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ಠ_ಠ Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:47:55pm

re: #24 Charles

He must be afraid they’ll find out just how full of shit he really is.

Also: [Link: preview.tinyurl.com…]

I don’t see any such question on the ACS form. There is one that asks if his house HAS a flushing toilet, but it asks nothing about his particular flushing habits. It seems to me to be mostly concerned with energy use and economic status. The only demographics section looks to be for the future allocation of funds for rural or impoverished communities, the handicapped, and disabled.
Of course it may also be used for when Obama decides to round up all the “undesirables” who don’t conform to his Übermensch ideal. [/tinfoil]

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Shill Fri, Apr 2, 2010 12:56:31pm

re: #141 GM_Yitzhak

He must be afraid they’ll find out just how full of shit he really is.

Also: [Link: preview.tinyurl.com…]

I don’t see any such question on the ACS form. There is one that asks if his house HAS a flushing toilet, but it asks nothing about his particular flushing habits. It seems to me to be mostly concerned with energy use and economic status. The only demographics section looks to be for the future allocation of funds for rural or impoverished communities, the handicapped, and disabled.
Of course it may also be used for when Obama decides to round up all the “undesirables” who don’t conform to his Übermensch ideal. [/tinfoil]

Thanks for that link. I was surprised at how reasonable the form was. It would take very little time to complete, and it’s all pretty good stuff to track. That said, it shouldn’t a legal requirement that you answer all these questions. That’s not really an enumeration (Which should be legally required). I think the best answer is, if you don’t want to answer, just refuse to go beyond the basic stuff like ‘3 people live here, Sally, Sam, and Starbuck Humperdink’. The Census is probably going to leave you alone at that point, but if they don’t, shotguns are a pretty insane solution to consider.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 2:06:37pm

re: #140 Shill

What an ass.

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djughurknot Fri, Apr 2, 2010 2:29:14pm

What exactly is wrong with filling out a two page form of remarkably banal and unintrusive information?

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celticdragon Fri, Apr 2, 2010 2:33:13pm

re: #137 palomino

It’s always so easy for self-righteous moralizers to preach “fiscal responsibility” when they don’t have any catastrophic illnesses or layoffs in the family, or any other of the financial problems that hit most Americans at some point in their lives.

Exactly.

I used to get on my soapbox over that nonsense and complain about ‘welfare queens’ and slackers eating off my tax money.

Then I found out about disastrous medical bills (like a 5,000 dollar ER visit for my spouse one night. No insurance, since I was laid off from my regular job and was contracting out).

After that, I found out how bad things can really get when I started feeling something wrong in my back around Christmas of 2005…and had a disc rupture just before New Years while working on the job in the aft cargo pit of a 757. It seems I have degenerative disc disease. No more aviation career, and my other joints are getting worse also.

We ended up on food stamps and humiliation for years. Bankruptcy. We had to sue my employer. Two major and excruciatingly painful surgeries. I live on handfuls of pain meds every single day, and will for the rest of my life. I was awarded federal disability this last year after 4 years of legal hell.

I worked hard, and I got fucked over real, real bad for years. Now, the tea party types say that society doesn’t owe me and my family a damned thing and if I can’t work, than it’s the soup kitchen and church charities for us.

Fuck that. I am doing the best I can to finish a degree in the next year so I can do something that may bring in income with an employer who understands my physical limitations. The geology department at Guilford waived the field camp requirement and accepted my field techniques class from CSUF as to spare me from 3 weeks climbing around Idaho. I and my family will get through this, but it is because the government actually did step up and help when there was simply no other alternative to being literally homeless on the streets. We got help from churches, but those were one time only payments for utilities.

No charity can possibly take on the enormity of poverty and suffering right here in the US today, and there is no historical evidence that private charities have ever had the resources to handle major societal problems. In the 19th century both here and in England, hundreds of thousands of people died of neglect and illness or if they were children, then generally ended up in crime or enforced prostitution. It looks to me like the tea party wants 1850’s London right here and now. I don’t say that as hyperbole.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 2, 2010 2:36:39pm

re: #145 celticdragon

Best of luck to you, and thank you for writing that.

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zeir Fri, Apr 2, 2010 4:08:46pm

I second that, Celtic Dragon. That was worth hearing about and best of luck.

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Scriptorium Fri, Apr 2, 2010 7:11:38pm

re: #95 cgn38navy

okay- to get personal. I(we the taxpayers) have to support your brother’s prescription medicine by way of taxes because he chose to go to a very expensive private school and not enter the work force at an earlier age? Nice.

One benefit of available and affordable healthcare is that people who might otherwise struggle to get by become productive members of society — and pay taxes. “Nice”? yes.

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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 2, 2010 7:12:14pm

re: #126 allegro

Total and complete bullshit.

It is not bullshit, and I am not lying. I am not in any way a zealot. I have no faith-ax to grind here. What I say about the statistics on pb abortion, I say because it is the uncomfortable, unvarnished truth. I thought LGF was a place where truth counted.

I have no principled objection to early term abortion. I don’t want abortion outlawed. I do have a principled objection to brazen lies told in the service of justifying anything, be it however worthy. And one of the brazen lies going the rounds is that effectively all pb abortions are done because the mother would otherwise die.

If you would read up on the subject, and read from sources outside your comfort circle, you’d learn better. In the meantime, you ought not get all foamy about the mouth. You could limit yourself to saying I’m mistaken. That way, you’d just be mistaken, not rude to boot.

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Scriptorium Fri, Apr 2, 2010 7:23:38pm

re: #116 cgn38navy

Here’s the thing. You are either fiscally responsible for your choices, or not. There’s a safety net as a matter of humanity and the US has many great safety nets.
I believe that if work hard and make the right choices generally you will get ahead and you should be able to reap the financial rewards of your hard work and choices.
I don’t care for the alternative.

Perhaps hard-working people in jobs that might be outsourced or in industries that might become obsolete or lost to foreign competition are just not making the right choices while the financial bigwigs who decide on the outsourcing ARE making the right choices and so can be happy as they reap financial rewards.
Maybe we could contribute to unemployment insurance, job re-training, healthcare availability… just in case. Could happen to you or one of yours. Could keep society on track in general — which tends to have a positive effect for everyone.

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celticdragon Fri, Apr 2, 2010 8:39:53pm

re: #146 Obdicut

re: #147 zeir

Thanks to both of you. My spouse has worked far harder than she should have had to in trying to make up for my lost income (which was considerable in aviation while jobs lasted, but also sporadic) and she is attending college also while working full time.

We would not have made it without her.

The more I have thought about it, the more I realize that the “pull yourself up your bootstraps” stories we are fed are mostly a sort of American myth. You succeed because youn have other people who invest a great deal of time, resources and effort in helping you. Hopefully, you pass that on later. We rightfully point out the literal one in a million cases of people who pull themselves out of poverty and end up at Harvard Law School or some such, but even then, they had help…and far more poor people would join them if the effort was made. Instead, I actually read astonishing diatribes at blogs like Megan McCardels when ‘glibitarians’ blithely assert that poor people want to be that way and made poor choices…

So people who were born on third base, so to speak, made good choices? They chose to have parents who were alumni at an Ivy League school?

Poor families tend to remain poor. Rich families tend to remain rich, and that is utterly irrespective of the moral choices, value of the contributions or even the native intelligence of the individuals. Class distinction is very real and it is pervasive.

Throwing money at this does not really work. We have seen that, and it has become a bitter wedge issue in the interminiable culture wars. What is needed is actual human involvment. You don’t have to take a kid into your home like in The Blind Side, but we all can and should donate time or talent to educational programs in the community. Education is the way out of the poverty trap. I will never be able to earn anything like what I made as an aircraft mechanic again unless I have that Bachelor’s of Science degree on my wall. I intend to follow that up with a Master’s and a Ph.D. Living on disability income, well, sucks.

I am only able to go to school because I have disability, though. if I can work again, even in a limited fashion, then I will be repaying that investment. I will also be doing my part to help eduate other people who were sick or injured, unemployed, discouraged and embittered the way I was. It is possible to still have self respect and accomplish worthwhile things. We find that out when somebody stops long enough to offer a hand up.

Not a hand out.

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ClaudeMonet Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:51:58pm

I’m a newbie here, so I’ll keep it short (like me) and to the point—

There wasn’t one thing on the census form I received that was in any way objectionable. While I was tempted to fill it out with all kinds of misinformation, I finally concluded that messing with things like apportionment is the wrong way to go, especially since I live in a state that in no way deserves more Congresscritters.

Erickson is a nutcase. Threatening violence over a FORM? Get a grip there, Sparky.

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ClaudeMonet Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:52:57pm

re: #151 celticdragon

Well said. Best of luck in rebuilding your working life.

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Querent Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:27:26pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

The dude’s full of shit. Not worth talking to. HAY GUYS I AM NAVY AND ALSO PSYCHIC I JUDGE THEE I JUDGE ALSO OBAMACARE

TFK, is that you?? /////

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Sacred Plants Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:24:08am

re: #81 Cato the Elder

He may be practicing for when the DEA comes a-knockin’.

In a more mundane explanation, the wingnut displays awareness of the Flight 253 flashback and its implications on the ground, and warns the government that taking away his own gun in response won’t work.

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