Climate change denier Tim Blair is suing a fellow Australian blogger for accusing him of using a sock puppet account: Tim Blair Vs Crikey : Stupid Blog War Now Wasting NSW Supreme Court’s Time.
Rumor has it that Tim also plans to sue the Arctic ice cap for damaging his reputation by continuing to melt.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:31:21pm |
Hasn't Tim learned yet that you don't have to believe everything that's written on the internets?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:32:33pm |
If someone here insults me, I hope it is someone with deep pockets.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:33:02pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Hasn't Tim learned yet that you don't have to believe everything that's written on the internets?
I read that somewhere.
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Querent Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:33:04pm |
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:35:24pm |
Gotta love it. The article links to this:
Cranky blogger takes on Crikey
That cranky blogger would of course be the sad Mr. Tim Blair. Crikey, what an arse Blair is.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:35:27pm |
I know you are, but what am I?....that sort of thing?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:36:25pm |
re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar
If someone here insults me, I hope it is someone with deep pockets.
/
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
/I've got pockets so deep, there's lint form the Pharaoh's robe in there.
//I hope that's what you're looking for. Lint. 'Cuz that's all I got.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:36:57pm |
The defamation laws in Australia are pretty strict.
To defame someone, you do not have to make up false things yourself. You might defame a person by repeating or replaying words spoken by someone else, for example an interviewee. It is no defence to claim that you were only quoting someone else. If you print or broadcast something defamatory, you could be taken to court, along with your producer, your editor or station manager and the person who said the words in the first place.[Link: www.thenewsmanual.net...]
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:37:30pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:37:43pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout Stinks
LOL!
Yo mamma!
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:38:03pm |
re: #10 jaunte
The defamation laws in Australia are pretty strict.
in other words, any one might be guilty at any time...sweet
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:38:12pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:38:16pm |
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:38:29pm |
Hey you! You are leaving your gabage cans out too long.
So?
If you don't get 'em in your yard, i'm gonna sue!
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:39:11pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:40:12pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:40:14pm |
re: #20 Floral Giraffe
I can send you my dryer lint. But you gotta pay the shipping!
It's denim blue, in case you were hoping for colors...
The best things in life are free!! (plus S&H):)
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:41:55pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:43:19pm |
re: #23 swamprat
Muppet Show links = mandatory updings, IMO.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:43:43pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:44:48pm |
Whew.
For a second there I thought this post was about Tony Blair, a staunch US ally and a recent Catholic convert.
Whew, I say.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:44:55pm |
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:46:34pm |
From the article:
I thought his reputation as a journalist was damaged almost beyond repair years before when he and his gormless commenters spent months attacking the character and motivations of an American mother whose young soldier son died in the Iraq War....
Are they referencing Sheehan?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:47:17pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:47:32pm |
re: #22 Cannadian Club Akbar
The best things in life are free!! (plus S&H):)
But, wait, there's more!
Ginzu knives!
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:47:38pm |
re: #28 Van Helsing
From the article:
Are they referencing Sheehan?
Yes. And they can count me among those who didn't buy her bloody-shirt moral bullying, too.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:47:56pm |
It has also emerged that Beecher is not the only person to have received legal threats from Blair after the post. Darryl Mason, whose blog The Orstrahyun referred to the original post and linked to a subsequent apology, received a nasty letter from Blair's lawyers last April demanding he ''offer Mr Blair a reasonable amount by way of compensation''. Mason, who claims similar letters were sent to three other bloggers, told the Diary: ''I find it extraordinary and extremely sad that someone who was an early champion of blogging is now pursuing legal action against other bloggers.''
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]
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avanti Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:48:10pm |
O.T. Interesting chart that show when job losses started, peaked, and turned around. You can how slowly we got in this mess, and how slowly it's recovering.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:48:39pm |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
But, wait, there's more!
Ginzu knives!
Cool! I need to cut a tomato AND an aluminum can tomorrow!!
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:48:45pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:49:24pm |
I'm confused, though. How can one blogger know the IP addresses of another blogger's commenters, or do I have that all mixed up.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:50:16pm |
re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would think so.
Well you would think attacks on her would damage the attackers much, since her character has proven badly flawed and her motives highly questionable.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:50:18pm |
re: #31 The Sanity Inspector
Yes. And they can count me among those who didn't buy her bloody-shirt moral bullying, too.
I was confused. He said it like it was a problem.
I've no trust in the motives of those who fawn over Hugo Chavez...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:50:24pm |
re: #36 marjoriemoon
I'm confused, though. How can one blogger know the IP addresses of another blogger's commenters, or do I have that all mixed up.
It's a conspiracy!!
/Alex Jones
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:50:35pm |
So....
Once again we see strong indications that one Socky Sockerson might indeed be the true secret identity of --
The Amazing Sockperson.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:51:25pm |
re: #40 Thanos
So...
Once again we see strong indications that one Socky Sockerson might indeed be the true secret identity of --The Amazing Sockperson.
But its more likely he's just YoungLibertarian92.m :D
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:51:35pm |
re: #38 Van Helsing
I was confused. He said it like it was a problem.
I've no trust in the motives of those who fawn over Hugo Chavez...
Sheehan is a Chavez Cheerleader?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:51:37pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
Well you would think attacks on her would damage the attackers much, since her character has proven badly flawed and her motives highly questionable.
Agreed.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:51:47pm |
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:52:08pm |
re: #40 Thanos
So...
Once again we see strong indications that one Socky Sockerson might indeed be the true secret identity of --The Amazing Sockperson.
Something had to be done with all the single socks my dryer ate.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:52:39pm |
re: #42 Hawk With Claws
Sheehan is a Chavez Cheerleader?
Please don't say Sheehan and cheerleader in the same sentence. Pretty please.
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:52:54pm |
re: #36 marjoriemoon
I'm confused, though. How can one blogger know the IP addresses of another blogger's commenters, or do I have that all mixed up.
Some people have open hit counters where you can see all things. LGF used to, it was known to insiders as "The Lava Lamp" because you could watch it to see some truly fascinating things, like Socks from Reuters commenting about posts regarding Reuters reporters and bias.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:53:23pm |
re: #45 Van Helsing
Something had to be done with all the single socks my dryer ate.
It was lost in the washer. Someone here explained it once.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:54:07pm |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
Please don't say Sheehan and cheerleader in the same sentence. Pretty please.
That's right. Mama Moonbat was once a cheerleader. And she's still got it!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:54:22pm |
....the Diary understands the trouble began when one of Crikey's bloggers noticed that the IP address - or computer identification number - of one of the people commenting on Blair's blog was identical to Blair's own IP address. In effect, the blogger wrote, Blair was so hard up for comments to his blog that he had resorted to writing his own comments, under another name. It sparked almost a year of demands by Blair, through his lawyers, that Crikey atone for what he says is a false accusation. While the blogger published an apology of sorts early in the piece, Blair was unsatisfied because he thought it repeated the alleged defamation. A couple of weeks ago he took the matter to court.
What a whiney little bitch timmy is*. I was once accused of being someone's sockpuppet here, and the most drastic recourse I resorted to was to call that person an idiot.
*Please delete this post if that insult may incite a lawsuit.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:54:45pm |
re: #47 Thanos
Some people have open hit counters where you can see all things. LGF used to, it was known to insiders as "The Lava Lamp" because you could watch it to see some truly fascinating things, like Socks from Reuters commenting about posts regarding Reuters reporters and bias.
Ah okie. Was that the referral page here?
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:54:47pm |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
It was lost in the washer. Someone here explained it once.
The air bubble in the toe theory -- the air pocket causes flotation which puts the sock over the edge of the tub during spin cycle and thence down the drain.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:54:51pm |
re: #51 Hawk With Claws
That's right. Mama Moonbat was once a cheerleader. And she's still got it!
GAH!!! MY BRAIN'S EYE!!!
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:56:01pm |
re: #54 Thanos
Is there anything that can't be explained here at LGF?:)
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:56:24pm |
after he came back from obscurity...with the help of Alan Wilson
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:56:30pm |
re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is there anything that can't be explained here at LGF?:)
Who was Jack the Ripper?
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:57:06pm |
re: #53 marjoriemoon
Ah okie. Was that the referral page here?
No, referrals were different. This showed everyone on at that time. Here's an example of one of those services - for this one many bloggers have stopped using them since it's rumored only that spyware comes embedded ...
[Link: www.statcounter.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:57:23pm |
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:59:15pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:59:32pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:00:12pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:00:37pm |
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Stanghazi Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:00:53pm |
OT - something to watch
Officials fear ship breaking apart on Barrier Reef
(AP) – 21 minutes ago
BRISBANE, Australia — A coal-carrying ship that ran aground and was leaking oil on Australia's Great Barrier Reef was in danger of breaking apart, officials said Sunday.
The Chinese coal carrier Shen Neng 1 ran aground late Saturday on Douglas Shoals, a favorite pristine haunt for recreational fishing east of the Great Keppel Island tourist resort. It's off the coast of Queensland state in the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park off northeast Australia.
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:00:53pm |
This example page link shows you the type of stats you can see if you have a service like that enabled and public
[Link: my9.statcounter.com...]
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:01:15pm |
re: #59 Thanos
No, referrals were different. This showed everyone on at that time. Here's an example of one of those services - for this one many bloggers have stopped using them since it's rumored only that spyware comes embedded ...
[Link: www.statcounter.com...]
Gotcha. I was thinking of the referrers page, but no IPs there.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:02:04pm |
I think "Jack the Ripper" was some no name London actor.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:02:23pm |
I got to the party late. Was this discussed earlier?
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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Olsonist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:02:35pm |
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:04:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:05:28pm |
re: #70 Olsonist
re: #51 Hawk With Claws
I've met Sheehan and she is quite pleasant and funny in person. The fact that she lost a son gives her an infinite pass in my book. Tim Blair can go fuck himself.
Losing a son gave her a broad, not infinite license to act out about the war with me. When she started to run around with every ugly left-leaning org in the book, which she did almost immediately, my tolerance dried up pretty quick.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:06:22pm |
re: #54 Thanos
The air bubble in the toe theory -- the air pocket causes flotation which puts the sock over the edge of the tub during spin cycle and thence down the drain.
Well it must be my lucky day - I just found a lost sock!
Now, if I could just find the mate to it . . .
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:06:45pm |
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:06:54pm |
re: #31 The Sanity Inspector
Yes. And they can count me among those who didn't buy her bloody-shirt moral bullying, too.
Sheehan's out there, but I respect the fact that she lost her son in a pointless conflict. Spending a trillion dollars to kill Saddam Hussein and then deal with the chaos it engendered was, let's face it, rock dumb. If I was her and lost a son for such a bullshit result would enrage me, too.
(I know it's not that simple, that the idea was to put a permanent American presence in a wedge between Syria, Iran, and the KoSA to press all three from inside. And to pressure Iran on two fronts. But the result has been a huge cock-up and strategic failure.)
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:08:13pm |
re: #70 Olsonist
re: #51 Hawk With Claws
I've met Sheehan and she is quite pleasant and funny in person. The fact that she lost a son gives her an infinite pass in my book. Tim Blair can go fuck himself.
That leaves the first sentence.
I'm still wrestling with that one.
Were either one of you using a banned substance at the time?
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:09:00pm |
re: #75 austin_blue
It's still too early to call it either way as far as I'm concerned. We will know in ten or twenty years whether it's a real success or a real failure.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:10:31pm |
re: #70 Olsonist
re: #51 Hawk With Claws
I've met Sheehan and she is quite pleasant and funny in person. The fact that she lost a son gives her an infinite pass in my book. Tim Blair can go fuck himself.
A parent should never have to bury a child for any reason.
However, when we start accusing some people as using their children as props, we can see that others do it, too. And after a time, I think Sheehan did that.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:10:39pm |
re: #70 Olsonist
re: #51 Hawk With Claws
I've met Sheehan and she is quite pleasant and funny in person. The fact that she lost a son gives her an infinite pass in my book. Tim Blair can go fuck himself.
I don't know. I draw the line with Ahmadinijad loving Hugo Chavez and other things associated with Hugo.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:11:01pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
Losing a son gave her a broad, not infinite license to act out about the war with me. When she started to run around with every ugly left-leaning org in the book, which she did almost immediately, my tolerance dried up pretty quick.
I'm with you on this one.
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:11:04pm |
re: #77 Thanos
It's still too early to call it either way as far as I'm concerned. We will know in ten or twenty years whether it's a real success or a real failure.
My man, we beat the Nazis and the Japanese in three and a half years.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:11:22pm |
re: #75 austin_blue
Last I looked we were winning in Iraq and they are ruled by a leaders they elected, something quite unique in that region.
We can debate the value for money, but it not a failure by any means.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:11:46pm |
re: #75 austin_blue
These people disagree - Reasons for Iraq war
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:11:49pm |
A screenshot of "Blair's Law" from Urban Dictionary, an entry which has been removed.
(Delete this post also, if it may incite a lawsuit from a crybaby)
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:12:15pm |
re: #75 austin_blue
I feel like I should give my bit, being a self described foreign policy hawk and all.
I feel like the Middle East will be more secure in the future without Saddam's belligerent regime. I think I saw an interview with John Bolton in which he stated that Saddam kept 1000 nuclear scientists just in case the Americans backed down or the UN sanctions where lifted.
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Olsonist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:12:28pm |
re: #74 Rightwingconspirator
That is exactly what I thought. So I did. I too don't agree with her on everything but I should say that I was against the war early, before it started. But in person I found her quite reasonable and even warm and funny. It was pretty clear that she wasn't in control of her media persona and that Fox et cetera had defined her as a screeching harpy. But perhaps your view may differ perhaps more so from your political perspective.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:12:37pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
Losing a son gave her a broad, not infinite license to act out about the war with me. When she started to run around with every ugly left-leaning org in the book, which she did almost immediately, my tolerance dried up pretty quick.
Exactly! She wanted to be viewed as a victim.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:12:55pm |
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:13:09pm |
re: #81 austin_blue
My man, we beat the Nazis and the Japanese in three and a half years.
Do you really think the same tactics would be tolerated? If they were, it would have been over in 7 months. Without nukes.
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:14:27pm |
re: #81 austin_blue
Those were not insurgencies however. Talk to people in the Cointel biz and they will tell you that those take 7-11 years. We've essentially already won the war in Iraq, now it's a question of whether it was to any good or not.
Right now I'm leaning towards yes it was good, especially as the more secular party won the last election. It will take time to really settle whether it's a real long term strategic plus or minus in the region however.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:15:31pm |
Chavez wants a Nuke plant. But for a peaceful energy program. I have heard that somewhere before...
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:15:50pm |
re: #77 Thanos
It's still too early to call it either way as far as I'm concerned. We will know in ten or twenty years whether it's a real success or a real failure.
Almost every major foreign policy analyst, from Thomas Friedman to Tom Ricks agrees with you, and so do I.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:16:01pm |
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:16:35pm |
/pimf "COIN" not "Cointel".... one is required for the other, but COIN designates "Counter-insurgency"
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:16:46pm |
re: #86 Olsonist
My political view is very different, but I really respect a chance to see the real person. Plus I must admit I would use the media as I could to bear witness at the loss of one of my own that was avoidable. Respectfully disagreeing.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:17:00pm |
Partisan talking points have been spotted.
Rhetoric incoming.
I blame bush.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:17:17pm |
re: #85 Hawk With Claws
Saddam called his 1000 nuclear scientists the "Nuclear Mujahideen". That should really tell you something.
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Mich-again Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:17:51pm |
... the trouble began when one of Crikey's bloggers noticed that the IP address - or computer identification number - of one of the people commenting on Blair's blog was identical to Blair's own IP address. In effect, the blogger wrote, Blair was so hard up for comments to his blog that he had resorted to writing his own comments, under another name....
Tim denies this flatly, and notes that people in the same house would share an IP.
Pretty lame explanation there. Someone else in the house? Yeah right buddy. Like anyone else in the house gives a crap what he's writing about.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:18:37pm |
re: #98 Hawk With Claws
Saddam had to go. No question in my mind about that. How to get it done though...
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:19:09pm |
re: #78 marjoriemoon
A parent should never have to bury a child for any reason.
However, when we start accusing some people as using their children as props, we can see that others do it, too. And after a time, I think Sheehan did that.
But that's because the Right accused her of using her son as a prop and you bought it. What if she was sincere in protesting an absolutely stupid incursion that resulted in the deaths of countless other mother's sons? She became a whipping girl for the Right because, at a most fundamental level, she was correct.
There was no reason for her son to die in Iraq. Hussein was under our thumb, and Al Queda's surrogates weren't in Iraq until after we got there. Al Queda was on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border and we took our eyes off the prize and turned our attention to Hussein, because of some neo-con fever dream of victory.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:19:18pm |
re: #98 Hawk With Claws
Saddam called his 1000 nuclear scientists the "Nuclear Mujahideen". That should really tell you something.
I have asked this before and will ask it again. If Saddam was still in power while Iran was going for nukes, what would the middle east look like right now?
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:19:19pm |
re: #100 Rightwingconspirator
Saddam had to go. No question in my mind about that. How to get it done though...
That's why God invented cruise missiles. (sarcasm)
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:19:28pm |
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:19:57pm |
Singling about drinking Sterno:
Canned heat, mama, sure, Lord, Killing me
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Stanghazi Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:19:58pm |
I've seen people pretty much go off the deep end after losing a child. All the way deep end. I just don't think that she's got it together, even now, and is being used. I'm probably wrong, but I have a lot of compassion for her that makes me look away from her foolish actions. She also is not a powerful person in any way, so I don't fret when she starts supporting dictators, I don't like it much, but I don't fret.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:20:08pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:20:56pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
Losing a son gave her a broad, not infinite license to act out about the war with me. When she started to run around with every ugly left-leaning org in the book, which she did almost immediately, my tolerance dried up pretty quick.
Mine too.
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:21:17pm |
re: #89 Van Helsing
Do you really think the same tactics would be tolerated? If they were, it would have been over in 7 months. Without nukes.
If it had been over in seven months, we would have been at peace in the Arab world for six years and change. At this date, yes. It would now be a fait accompli.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:21:54pm |
re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar
Depends on the sanctions, inspections and no fly zones, if still applicable.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:22:15pm |
re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have asked this before and will ask it again. If Saddam was still in power while Iran was going for nukes, what would the middle east look like right now?
Saudi Arabia and Egypt would be building their own nukes, they fear Iran's Islamist influence and Saddam's unpredictability. Libya would have never given up its nuclear program, and Syria would be even more emboldened to continue its proliferation.
Not a pretty picture in my humble opinion.
Personally, I believe that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordon where quietly relieved when Saddam was toppled.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:22:36pm |
re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar
Chavez wants a Nuke plant. But for a peaceful energy program. I have heard that somewhere before...
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
With the help of Russia. Let's see where have I seen Russia involved with nuclear power for "peaceful" purposes:
From the beginning of 1990s, Russian Federation formed a joint research organization with Iran called Persepolis which provided Iran with Russian nuclear experts, and technical information stolen from the West by GRU and SVR, according to GRU defector Stanislav Lunev. He said that five Russian institutions, including the Russian Federal Space Agency helped Tehran to improve its missiles. The exchange of technical information with Iran was personally approved by the SVR director Trubnikov.
In 1995, Iran signed a contract with Russia to resume work on the partially-complete Bushehr plant, installing into the existing Bushehr I building a 915MWe VVER-1000 pressurized water reactor, with completion expected in 2009. There are no current plans to complete the Bushehr II reactor.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:23:07pm |
re: #101 austin_blue
But that's because the Right accused her of using her son as a prop and you bought it. What if she was sincere in protesting an absolutely stupid incursion that resulted in the deaths of countless other mother's sons? She became a whipping girl for the Right because, at a most fundamental level, she was correct.
There was no reason for her son to die in Iraq. Hussein was under our thumb, and Al Queda's surrogates weren't in Iraq until after we got there. Al Queda was on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border and we took our eyes off the prize and turned our attention to Hussein, because of some neo-con fever dream of victory.
You seem to be assuming that marjorie "bought it", rather than marjoriemoon coming to her own conclusions. Really - I suspect she's much too smart to "buy" some accusation being thrown out and about.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:23:28pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:23:28pm |
re: #111 Hawk With Claws
Saudi Arabia and Egypt would be building their own nukes, they fear Iran's Islamist influence and Saddam's unpredictability. Libya would have never given up its nuclear program, and Syria would be even more emboldened to continue its proliferation.
Not a pretty picture in my humble opinion.
Personally, I believe that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordon where quietly relieved when Saddam was toppled.
What? We stopped a nuke program in Libya without going there? Weird.
/
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:23:42pm |
re: #109 austin_blue
If it had been over in seven months, we would have been at peace in the Arab world for six years and change. At this date, yes. It would now be a fait accompli.
I'm not seeing carpet bombing being tolerated anymore. I would have recommended it for Fallujah and Sadr City, but I'm pretty sure at that point the US really would have been as hated as some think we were.
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Olsonist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:23:49pm |
re: #78 marjoriemoon
A parent should never have to bury a child for any reason.
However, when we start accusing some people as using their children as props, we can see that others do it, too. And after a time, I think Sheehan did that.
Do you approve of people using their children as props in favor of the war?
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:24:38pm |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yeah, Muammar decided to dump it after we dumped Saddam. The "Mad Dog of Africa" put his tail between his knees and rolled over.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:25:33pm |
re: #112 Gus 802
I know. I tried another link but it no workie for me.:(
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Olsonist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:26:15pm |
re: #118 Hawk With Claws
Yeah, Muammar decided to dump it after we dumped Saddam. The "Mad Dog of Africa" put his tail between his knees and rolled over.
And survived. He's still the same vicious dictator he ever was. A kinder and gentler Saddam.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:26:36pm |
re: #118 Hawk With Claws
Yeah, Muammar decided to dump it after we dumped Saddam. The "Mad Dog of Africa" put his tail between his knees and rolled over.
Excellent point.
Depending on the question, war can be the answer. Sad, but true.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:26:38pm |
re: #117 Olsonist
Do you approve of people using their children as props in favor of the war?
Who did that? I do not remember that happening, though I admit I may have forgotten.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:26:50pm |
re: #118 Hawk With Claws
Yeah, Muammar decided to dump it after we dumped Saddam. The "Mad Dog of Africa" put his tail between his knees and rolled over.
Wasn't their sekrits on a turkey farmers land or under some rose bushes?
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:27:16pm |
re: #120 Olsonist
And survived. He's still the same vicious dictator he ever was. A kinder and gentler Saddam.
Without a nuclear weapon. That is no small thing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:27:21pm |
re: #94 The Sanity Inspector
Can the image widget handle an animate gif?
Why yes, it can!
Holy hell that is cool. Where was I when this image widgetty thing got implemented?
/Probably frying up some taters. What are taters?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:28:12pm |
re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth
Aw, the widget didn't work for me. :(
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:28:31pm |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
Who did that? I do not remember that happening, though I admit I may have forgotten.
And marjoriemoon seemed to be talking about folks generally using their kids as props, not specifically war related.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:29:01pm |
re: #89 Van Helsing
Do you really think the same tactics would be tolerated? If they were, it would have been over in 7 months. Without nukes.
Modern warfare;
You have the right to surrender. If you give up that right, you may be shot. If you do not wish to be shot, you will be provided with food, shelter, and food in accordance with your religious beliefs. A lawyer will be appointed to you, should you desire one. Anything that happens to you, after you surrender, may be taken down, and used against us. If you understand your rights, fire once for "yes", or fire twice for "no'.
I'm surprised they didn't laugh themselves to death.
War by bureaucracy
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:29:44pm |
re: #117 Olsonist
Do you approve of people using their children as props in favor of the war?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:29:54pm |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
And marjoriemoon seemed to be talking about folks generally using their kids as props, not specifically war related.
Like Jon and Kate and Octomo. I HATE all of them three.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:30:25pm |
re: #124 Bagua
Without a nuclear weapon. That is no small thing.
Judging by his recent speaking engagements, his new tactic is to bore everyone to death.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:30:32pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:31:20pm |
re: #101 austin_blue
But that's because the Right accused her of using her son as a prop and you bought it. What if she was sincere in protesting an absolutely stupid incursion that resulted in the deaths of countless other mother's sons? She became a whipping girl for the Right because, at a most fundamental level, she was correct.
There was no reason for her son to die in Iraq. Hussein was under our thumb, and Al Queda's surrogates weren't in Iraq until after we got there. Al Queda was on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border and we took our eyes off the prize and turned our attention to Hussein, because of some neo-con fever dream of victory.
She also chose to hang out with some very ugly people. I have very mixed feeling about Iraq, and I deeply sympathize with the pain of a woman who loses a child to a war she believes wrong.
But around the time we got to 'he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel,' I had to realize that her voice had been taken over by people who had less interest in peace than a specific political agenda, and that she had accepted what she had been told by the people who got close to her fast when she first began to speak.
That's a pity, but while I still respect her loss, I could not trust anything that came out of her mouth after that.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:31:21pm |
re: #120 Olsonist
His vicious Jamahiriya may still be around, but at least that's one less oil rich, rouge state to deal with.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:31:45pm |
re: #131 The Sanity Inspector
Judging by his recent speaking engagements, his new tactic is to bore everyone to death.
He's got nothing on Castro.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:31:54pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I'm surprised they didn't laugh themselves to death.
War by bureaucracy
True 'dat.
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windsagio Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:32:02pm |
re: #132 Van Helsing
One of them looks like she stole her outfit from the set of Ilsa, she-wolf of the SS.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:32:34pm |
re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wasn't their sekrits on a turkey farmers land or under some rose bushes?
And now it's in a warehouse in Tennessee, where it belongs.
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Silvergirl Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:32:35pm |
re: #114 The Sanity Inspector
Bobby McFerrin demonstrates the pentatonic scale for some neuroscientists...
I posted that in the spinoffs quite some time ago (or maybe in a thread), and I'm happy to see it again. I found that so very fun and interesting. McFerrin is my man!
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:32:43pm |
re: #91 Thanos
Those were not insurgencies however. Talk to people in the Cointel biz and they will tell you that those take 7-11 years. We've essentially already won the war in Iraq, now it's a question of whether it was to any good or not.
Right now I'm leaning towards yes it was good, especially as the more secular party won the last election. It will take time to really settle whether it's a real long term strategic plus or minus in the region however.
I agree. The problem is that we *created* the insurgency in Iraq. It was stable before the invasion, and Hussein was completely contained. The UN inspectors went in, and continued to find *nothing* in the way of WMD for month after month, and for good reason. There was no there there. So when Rumsfeld said, just after the invasion:
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
He lied. For a nice list of the Administrations bullshit campaign, get a load of this:
[Link: whatreallyhappened.com...]
Understand, this is not a Moonbat site. These are all quotes taken in context.
This is why Afghanistan has become such a problem. A counter-insurgency in Afghanistan (necessary) would have cost us half of what we will spend in blood and gold in BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq. Stupid and pointless.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:32:56pm |
re: #101 austin_blue
But that's because the Right accused her of using her son as a prop and you bought it. What if she was sincere in protesting an absolutely stupid incursion that resulted in the deaths of countless other mother's sons? She became a whipping girl for the Right because, at a most fundamental level, she was correct.
There was no reason for her son to die in Iraq. Hussein was under our thumb, and Al Queda's surrogates weren't in Iraq until after we got there. Al Queda was on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border and we took our eyes off the prize and turned our attention to Hussein, because of some neo-con fever dream of victory.
I'm not saying she's not entitled to her opinion, or even to protest for what she thinks is right, but after a time, she seemed to use her son as a crutch.
I don't like the woman in the least. She freakin kissed Chavez. There were other things... she ran with the far left contingent.
I supported the war at the onset and did for many years. We'll withdraw at some point, but we will never leave. Kinda like Hotel California.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:33:09pm |
re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth
Aw, the widget didn't work for me. :(
Just paste the bare code into the box, no need to hyperlink any text.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:33:12pm |
re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar
Like Jon and Kate and Octomo. I HATE all of them three.
EXACTLY!
yeesh.
I feel so sorry for all those kids.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:33:34pm |
re: #137 windsagio
One of them looks like she stole her outfit from the set of Ilsa, she-wolf of the SS.
I'd think he would smile more...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:33:35pm |
re: #118 Hawk With Claws
Yeah, Muammar decided to dump it after we dumped Saddam. The "Mad Dog of Africa" put his tail between his knees and rolled over.
The Mad Dog is crazy like a fox. Ghadaffi will do whatever he needs to in order to stay in power comfortably until he kicks off in his sleep. That little move gave him another couple leases on life.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:33:39pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:34:08pm |
re: #113 reine.de.tout
You seem to be assuming that marjorie "bought it", rather than marjoriemoon coming to her own conclusions. Really - I suspect she's much too smart to "buy" some accusation being thrown out and about.
Why thank ye!
Truth be known, I've been tricked now and then, but I try to do better!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:34:29pm |
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:34:37pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:34:37pm |
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:34:51pm |
re: #113 reine.de.tout
You seem to be assuming that marjorie "bought it", rather than marjoriemoon coming to her own conclusions. Really - I suspect she's much too smart to "buy" some accusation being thrown out and about.
With all due respect, her words:
A parent should never have to bury a child for any reason.
However, when we start accusing some people as using their children as props, we can see that others do it, too. And after a time, I think Sheehan did that.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:35:09pm |
re: #117 Olsonist
Do you approve of people using their children as props in favor of the war?
I don't care for the whole children as props thing, no.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:35:16pm |
re: #141 marjoriemoon
We'll never leave. You are right. But we are still in Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:35:45pm |
re: #137 windsagio
One of them looks like she stole her outfit from the set of Ilsa, she-wolf of the SS.
He changes the costumes frequently, and his primary inspiration seems to be stewardess uniforms from the late 1960s.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:35:52pm |
re: #140 austin_blue
I agree. The problem is that we *created* the insurgency in Iraq. It was stable before the invasion, and Hussein was completely contained. The UN inspectors went in, and continued to find *nothing* in the way of WMD for month after month, and for good reason. There was no there there. So when Rumsfeld said, just after the invasion:
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.He lied. For a nice list of the Administrations bullshit campaign, get a load of this:
[Link: whatreallyhappened.com...]
Understand, this is not a Moonbat site. These are all quotes taken in context.
This is why Afghanistan has become such a problem. A counter-insurgency in Afghanistan (necessary) would have cost us half of what we will spend in blood and gold in BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq. Stupid and pointless.
Huh?
What Really Happened is a big time moonbat site.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:36:42pm |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
There is something fabulously cool about the all-girl bodyguard. I'd rather have them running Libya, though.
Or cleaning my house and keeping people from stealing my mower!!
/First half sarc, second, not so much.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:37:03pm |
re: #151 austin_blue
With all due respect, her words:
A parent should never have to bury a child for any reason.
However, when we start accusing some people as using their children as props, we can see that others do it, too. And after a time, I think Sheehan did that.
Her words:
"After a time, I think Sheehan did this".
Marjorie seems to have come to her own conclusions.
Really, I can't imagine that she "bought" any accusations being thrown out by the right.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:37:32pm |
re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or cleaning my house and keeping people from stealing my mower!!
/First half sarc, second, not so much.
They're all supposed to be virgins, and they have to wear makeup and nail polish while protecting Ghadaffi's worthless hiney.
There's something very James Bond-esque about the whole thing.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:37:38pm |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
He changes the costumes frequently, and his primary inspiration seems to be stewardess uniforms from the late 1960s.
He dresses to impress, unlike Mugabe.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:37:46pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Huh?
What Really Happened is a big time moonbat site.
That site is run by that lunatic Michael Rivero.
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:37:51pm |
re: #140 austin_blue
There's no doubt that we aided the insurgency a bit -- I once got in a long drawn out head butting here when I said that it was a real big mistake to fire all the Baathist bureaucrats in the country and in the army, since they were the ones who knew how things ran.
I argued that the remaining Baathists after Sadaam's capture needed amnesty, and that peace and some kind of accommodations would need to be made for them before we could get near victory. I compared them to the Loyalists who were disenfranchised in our Revolutionary war, and one of the Ben's (I forget which) went berserk on me over that.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:38:26pm |
All the tinpot dictators, in all the prison-nations, all over the wide world,
collectively shit themselves the day Saddam got hung.
I blame Bush.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:38:39pm |
re: #149 Bagua
Whatever else one may say about Ghaddafi, he's cool for having those guards.
That Ghaddafi! He so Chrazzy!
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:39:09pm |
re: #116 Van Helsing
I'm not seeing carpet bombing being tolerated anymore. I would have recommended it for Fallujah and Sadr City, but I'm pretty sure at that point the US really would have been as hated as some think we were.
Carpet bombing Sadr City and Fallujah wouldn't have solved the Iraqi insurgency. It would have made it worse. Believe me, I was a SAC pilot. I studied war, intensely. I had a lot of free time while standing alert and a fairly good library. I fully understand the limitations of strategic warfare on insurgencies.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:39:37pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:39:40pm |
re: #150 The Sanity Inspector
Those are cool!
But I'd have to have one of the ones with a railing, otherwise - I would fall off, there is just no way I wouldn't.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:39:49pm |
re: #160 Gus 802
That site is run by that lunatic Michael Rivero.
Shhh! You're harshing Austin's buzz. Look, unicorns!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:40:02pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Huh?
What Really Happened is a big time moonbat site.
Thanks for that info. Hopefully, no one from here slips on the moonbat guano.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:40:23pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:40:30pm |
re: #151 austin_blue
With all due respect, her words:
A parent should never have to bury a child for any reason.
However, when we start accusing some people as using their children as props, we can see that others do it, too. And after a time, I think Sheehan did that.
Austin, I don't want to diss the woman for losing her child in a war. A war that he volunteered to fight and I'm sure, did so bravely. Maybe my overall dislike for her colored my perception of how she presented herself, but it was my own thought.
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:40:49pm |
Also please note Austin Blue, that the WMD discussion and why we went to war discussion have been dead horses and flayed to dust for years here. I don't participate in that discussion anymore, and most lizards also do not. It's been done, and you cannot say anything new, so why bother?
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Racer X Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:40:57pm |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for that info. Hopefully, no one from here slips on the moonbat guano.
Heh.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:41:05pm |
re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist
They're all supposed to be virgins, and they have to wear makeup and nail polish while protecting Ghadaffi's worthless hiney.
There's something very James Bond-esque about the whole thing.
Or Rock-Star-ish. I think Gadaffi is more rock star mentality.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:41:05pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
Carpet bombing Sadr City and Fallujah wouldn't have solved the Iraqi insurgency. It would have made it worse. Believe me, I was a SAC pilot. I studied war, intensely. I had a lot of free time while standing alert and a fairly good library. I fully understand the limitations of strategic warfare on insurgencies.
Didn't we get all the people out of Fallujah and take out the insurgents? On the ground?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:41:14pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
Carpet bombing Sadr City and Fallujah wouldn't have solved the Iraqi insurgency. It would have made it worse. Believe me, I was a SAC pilot. I studied war, intensely. I had a lot of free time while standing alert and a fairly good library. I fully understand the limitations of strategic warfare on insurgencies.
Please explain. Not saying you're wrong but I'd like you to elaborate, if you would.
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:41:24pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Huh?
What Really Happened is a big time moonbat site.
Okay, I erred. I hadn't looked at the rest if it. it's pretty whack. (Pulls forelock) But the quotes are factual.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:41:43pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:42:11pm |
re: #174 Floral Giraffe
Or Rock-Star-ish. I think Gadaffi is more rock star mentality.
Almost Famous?
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:42:20pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
Carpet bombing Sadr City and Fallujah wouldn't have solved the Iraqi insurgency. It would have made it worse. Believe me, I was a SAC pilot. I studied war, intensely. I had a lot of free time while standing alert and a fairly good library. I fully understand the limitations of strategic warfare on insurgencies.
Bloody monuments and starvation do wonders to the will to support an insurgency. With the proper propaganda it becomes 'This can happen to you'.
Same thing the insurgents used (which worked for them for a while), but on a much, much grander scale.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:42:33pm |
re: #161 Thanos
We fired all the former Nazi bureaucrats in the West German government for a reason. We didn't want another German dictatorship. Some former diehard Nazis and SS members stuck around and used guerilla tactics to resist the Allies but in the end we prevailed.
Those Baathists bureaucrats only knew how to transfer bribe money to Uday and Qusay. They didn't know how to run a modern democracy.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:42:58pm |
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Stanghazi Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:43:14pm |
re: #174 Floral Giraffe
Or Rock-Star-ish. I think Gadaffi is more rock star mentality.
I swear he looks like he's had a bad facelift. It fits.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:43:27pm |
re: #172 Thanos
It's been done, and you cannot say anything new, so why bother?
I suspect one day, when the National Archives have the Bush administration's documents, by then unclassified, that historians will plow through them and likely dig up things we do not know.
Till then, we do seem to be rehashing old arguments.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:44:12pm |
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:44:25pm |
re: #177 austin_blue
Okay, I erred. I hadn't looked at the rest if it. it's pretty whack. (Pulls forelock) But the quotes are factual.
OK
Anyway, myself I'm not going to relive why the Iraq War started. What's done is done. Time to move forward.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:44:35pm |
re: #161 Thanos
Many sides to that.
Letting the same guys run things; bad public relations.
Letting unexperienced people do on-the-job-training for running an entire nation; bad government.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:44:35pm |
re: #181 Hawk With Claws
We fired all the former Nazi bureaucrats in the West German government for a reason. We didn't want another German dictatorship. Some former diehard Nazis and SS members stuck around and used guerilla tactics to resist the Allies but in the end we prevailed.
Those Baathists bureaucrats only knew how to transfer bribe money to Uday and Qusay. They didn't know how to run a modern democracy.
Wolverines?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:45:06pm |
re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth
As a man, I feel the need to point out that the bottom one in this pic is NOT COOL!
One misstep, and you can consider any plans for future children null and void.
A fair number of those were very child unfriendly.
Except for the slide ones. I'd be the coolest Mom on the block.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:45:14pm |
re: #183 Stanley Sea
I swear he looks like he's had a bad facelift. It fits.
Botox. I'm betting it's Botox.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:45:40pm |
James Noce recalls eating delicious steaks and lobster, watching super-speed jets being tested, and giving briefcases with $25,000 in cash to local sheriffs to keep things quiet. But sadly, no little green men.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:46:44pm |
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:47:33pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
Believe me, I was a SAC pilot. I studied war, intensely. I had a lot of free time while standing alert and a fairly good library. I fully understand the limitations of strategic warfare on insurgencies.
Have you read this Foreign Policy magazine article called The New Rules of War?
I found it fascinating and since you've studied war tactics I'd like to get your opinion.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:47:35pm |
re: #189 EmmmieG
A fair number of those were very child unfriendly.
Except for the slide ones. I'd be the coolest Mom on the block.
You're ALREADY the coolest Mom on your block.
*cookie?*
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:47:41pm |
re: #181 Hawk With Claws
The Werewolves were a joke and were toasted within two months. There wasn't any spine or staying power in that insurgency. We did not fire all of the Nazi bureaucrats, it was not possible. The high ranking ones and high profile Nazis yes, but most of the country was in the Nazi party - so please don't pretend that "firing all of the nazis" was at all possible, anymore than reforming Japan without the aid of the former warmongers in the Kaibutsus was.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:48:17pm |
re: #191 The Sanity Inspector
Glad they cleared all that up! lol
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:48:19pm |
re: #184 freetoken
I suspect one day, when the National Archives have the Bush administration's documents, by then unclassified, that historians will plow through them and likely dig up things we do not know.
Till then, we do seem to be rehashing old arguments.
Agreed because then there will be new information
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:48:21pm |
re: #191 The Sanity Inspector
I figured that place to be where we put stolen aircraft from cold war enemies and defectors. plus a place to test new secret planes. Aliens? The tiny NASA budget is pragmatic proof we have no reason to worry about aliens.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:48:33pm |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wolverines?
re: #196 Thanos
The Werewolves were a joke and were toasted within two months. There wasn't any spine or staying power in that insurgency. We did not fire all of the Nazi bureaucrats, it was not possible. The high ranking ones and high profile Nazis yes, but most of the country was in the Nazi party - so please don't pretend that "firing all of the nazis" was at all possible, anymore than reforming Japan without the aid of the former warmongers in the Kaibutsus was.
Thanks.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:48:46pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
Carpet bombing Sadr City and Fallujah wouldn't have solved the Iraqi insurgency. It would have made it worse. Believe me, I was a SAC pilot. I studied war, intensely. I had a lot of free time while standing alert and a fairly good library. I fully understand the limitations of strategic warfare on insurgencies.
Thank you for your service, btw.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:49:57pm |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for that info. Hopefully, no one from here slips on the moonbat guano.
If they do, they're gonna have to answer to the coca-cola company.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:50:11pm |
re: #199 Rightwingconspirator
I figured that place to be where we put stolen aircraft from cold war enemies and defectors. plus a place to test new secret planes. Aliens? The tiny NASA budget is pragmatic proof we have no reason to worry about aliens.
Two words: Alien Probe. Wait, what?
/
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:50:47pm |
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:51:07pm |
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:52:02pm |
Well, on the day of the iPocalypse there are a plethora of iGasms being reported.
Seems like it was a good business day for Apple:
An estimated 700,000 iPads bought on day one
A number of Apple apostles did experience more than the thrill of holding a new shiny object: They got a serendipitous jolt of tech royalty. In San Jose, overnighters and early-risers got to hobnob with Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, who joined the pre-iPad vigil at 6 p.m. Friday at Valley Fair mall. In Palo Alto, Apple CEO Steve Jobs sauntered unannounced into the University Avenue store shortly before noon to drink in the scene.
[...]
Some in the tech industry question whether the iPad, and competing gadgets to be rolled out in coming months, will ever be more than a niche product. Others, though, see the mouse-less slender slab as an inflection point that could redefine the portable computer industry.
[...]
In what has become a ritual, people lined up by the thousands across the country to get their iPads and be part of an Apple product launch.
[...]
Twelve-year-old Joshua Elefteratos, who had pre-ordered his iPad, was first in line among those who had reserved their tablets. His father secured the top spot by showing up at midnight; Joshua joined him at 7:30 a.m.
As the two left the store 15 minutes after it opened, Joshua Elefteratos held his tablet over his head. "It's like I'm holding the Bible," the Saratoga boy said.
[...]
Wearing a black hoodie and jeans, Jobs, who came with his wife, Laurene Powell-Jobs, and daughter, scanned the displays of tech goodies and watched Apple employees give iPad how-to demonstrations. And he drew amazed gazes from shoppers already expressing excitement overload.
"I love the iPad," one 20-something female shopper blurted out to Jobs. To which he happily replied, "Good!"
And The Steve looked upon all he created and he declared it "Good".
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:52:03pm |
re: #205 Gus 802
Nope. Never was any little green men, UFOs or anything like that.
That's what they want you to think!!
/
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:52:38pm |
re: #207 Van Helsing
That's what they want you to think!!
/
They can't get to me! I wear a tinfoil hat with the shiny side on the inside!
/
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:52:43pm |
re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar
Like Jon and Kate and Octomo. I HATE all of them three.
I particularly hate Sarah Pile-On for using Trig as a political prop for her stinking fucking lies about "deth palins".
But maybe I'm oversensitive.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:53:11pm |
re: #196 Thanos
The Werewolves were a joke and were toasted within two months. There wasn't any spine or staying power in that insurgency. We did not fire all of the Nazi bureaucrats, it was not possible. The high ranking ones and high profile Nazis yes, but most of the country was in the Nazi party - so please don't pretend that "firing all of the nazis" was at all possible, anymore than reforming Japan without the aid of the former warmongers in the Kaibutsus was.
Okay, I'd agree that it might not be possible to fire all of the low level Baathists, and I agree that we needed to fire the bigwigs. I may be wrong, but I think registration in the Baath Party was mandatory, it was a single-party state after all.
But I still do not think that the former low level Baathists would have been able to manage a democratic democracy. Afterall, Saddam's regime ran on bribery and terror.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:53:58pm |
re: #195 Floral Giraffe
You're ALREADY the coolest Mom on your block.
*cookie?*
I have some leftover Red Velvet cupcakes from the babyshower today. Help yourself. Cream cheese frosting.
I've been sitting here processing.
See, my cousin whose shower this was is the sister of the cousin who died. Freak accident. He left behind a wife and infant son.
A year and a half later, my uncle describes it like this:
I get up in the morning. I breathe.
This is not meant to answer anything at all. It's just what I'm thinking about. I couldn't not think about him, even though this was a happy event celebrating the birth of a beautiful baby girl.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:54:14pm |
re: #206 freetoken
And The Steve looked upon all he created and he declared it "Good".
In this, the early 21st century, any so-called 'computer' without a USB port is sad.
Very, very sad.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:54:17pm |
re: #206 freetoken
And in 3 months, the price will be cut and Apple will give you a gift card to spend in their store. Not enough to get what you want, so pony up a bit more cash. Excellent!!!
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prairiefire Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:54:40pm |
re: #189 EmmmieG
Hi, I thought I would let you know that your "the kids are plowing the front yard with a human femur" quip has had me laughing for days.
If more people know the actual IQ levels of home school parents, I think the stereotype would change.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:55:50pm |
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:56:04pm |
re: #212 Van Helsing
In this, the early 21st century, any so-called 'computer' without a USB port is sad.
Very, very sad.
You mean you want to actually attach an old fashioned string of wire to the device?
How 20th century of you.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:56:56pm |
If anyone gets the iPad, and has used a Kindle before, give me a comparison review. I'm in the market for an e-reader now and I'm wondering if the iPad would be better than the Kindle or the B&N e-reader.
I have the Kindle app on my iPhone now and love it. :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:56:58pm |
re: #214 prairiefire
Hi, I thought I would let you know that your "the kids are plowing the front yard with a human femur" quip has had me laughing for days.
If more people know the actual IQ levels of home school parents, I think the stereotype would change.
Thanks, but that was stolen from, believe it or not, Colbert.
We do have a great little thing called a Rootvue farm. It's a piece of styrofoam and plexiglass in which you grow rooty-type veggies so the kids can see how it goes. Of course, the light makes the veggies inedible, but that's not the point.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:57:51pm |
re: #212 Van Helsing
In this, the early 21st century, any so-called 'computer' without a USB port is sad.
Very, very sad.
What computer doesn't have a usb port?
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Racer X Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:58:07pm |
re: #212 Van Helsing
In this, the early 21st century, any so-called 'computer' without a USB port is sad.
Very, very sad.
Kinda why I will wait for gen 2 or 3.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:58:19pm |
re: #218 EmmmieG
Thanks, but that was stolen from, believe it or not, Colbert.
We do have a great little thing called a Rootvue farm. It's a piece of styrofoam and plexiglass in which you grow rooty-type veggies so the kids can see how it goes. Of course, the light makes the veggies inedible, but that's not the point.
I got something like that in my Sugar Smacks in '79.
/
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:58:29pm |
re: #216 freetoken
You mean you want to actually attach an old fashioned string of wire to the device?
How 20th century of you.
Well. Fine.
It's a fair cop. But easy mass storage, read stuff from my phone and camera...
Not having multiple Bluetooth conflicts.
You should hear my GPS bitch about my earpiece...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:58:34pm |
Who knew monkeys were creationists?
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:59:13pm |
I'm going to bed. Good night y'all and have a Happy Easter!
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:59:29pm |
re: #220 Bagua
What computer doesn't have a usb port?
Is that a slam at the iPad?
Subtle, brilliant...
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:01:21pm |
re: #206 freetoken
Upding for Igasms!
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:01:41pm |
re: #210 Hawk With Claws
Okay, I'd agree that it might not be possible to fire all of the low level Baathists, and I agree that we needed to fire the bigwigs. I may be wrong, but I think registration in the Baath Party was mandatory, it was a single-party state after all.
But I still do not think that the former low level Baathists would have been able to manage a democratic democracy. Afterall, Saddam's regime ran on bribery and terror.
The states of the Middle East are run by Autocrats of one stripe or another in almost all cases -- the Islamic concept of Emir pretty much sets a bias towards strongman rule up. All autocrats require massive bureaucracies to survive - and the Baathist bureaucrat families that were in Baghdad actually stretch back in time to those who ran Babylon, and whether Iraq is a democracy or not that bureaucracy will remain, and the corruption and bribery and etc. that's endemic to the region will remain -- hopefully the terror will go and stay gone. I suspect that's the best we can do short term.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:02:31pm |
iGEEKS. Heh.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:02:49pm |
re: #211 EmmmieG
You're gonna make me get fat.
It will be YOUR fault!
Not mine!
//
Mmm, cupcakes!
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:03:17pm |
re: #226 Van Helsing
Is that a slam at the iPad?
Subtle, brilliant...
Oh, I see what you mean, it has an adapter. Typical Apple fail. They always leave something key out.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:03:19pm |
re: #227 Floral Giraffe
Thanks... but what I really liked about the story was that the writer used "inflection point".
One can tell when a newspaper is not writing down to the lowest common denominator. It's a good thing when a newspaper article contains words that send people to their dictionaries.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:03:23pm |
re: #210 Hawk With Claws
Here's an article and a conversation between Ariel Sharon and George Bush before the war, in which Sharon warns Bush about trying to democratize an Arab state. He didn't suggest it.
[Link: www.forward.com...]
Publicly, Sharon played the silent ally; he neither criticized nor supported the Iraq adventure. ...
But sometime prior to March 2003, Sharon told Bush privately in no uncertain terms what he thought about the Iraq plan. Sharon’s words — revealed here for the first time — constituted a friendly but pointed warning to Bush. Sharon acknowledged that Saddam Hussein was an “acute threat” to the Middle East and that he believed Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction.
Yet according to one knowledgeable source, Sharon nevertheless advised Bush not to occupy Iraq. According to another source — Danny Ayalon, who was Israel’s ambassador to the United States at the time of the Iraq invasion, and who sat in on the Bush-Sharon meetings — Sharon told Bush that Israel would not “push one way or another” regarding the Iraq scheme.
According to both sources, Sharon warned Bush that if he insisted on occupying Iraq, he should at least abandon his plan to implant democracy in this part of the world. “In terms of culture and tradition, the Arab world is not built for democratization,” Ayalon recalls Sharon advising.
Be sure, Sharon added, not to go into Iraq without a viable exit strategy. And ready a counter-insurgency strategy if you expect to rule Iraq, which will eventually have to be partitioned into its component parts. Finally, Sharon told Bush, please remember that you will conquer, occupy and leave, but we have to remain in this part of the world. Israel, he reminded the American president, does not wish to see its vital interests hurt by regional radicalization and the spillover of violence beyond Iraq’s borders.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:05:14pm |
I've finally figured it out.
Mandy is from the planet Pschyclo. We are all part of her little experiment to use man animals to mine Earth for her profit.
What she doesn't know is that she accidentally taught me
Trig.
So now we can escape and take back the planet.
Who's with me?
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:05:21pm |
re: #232 freetoken
Thanks... but what I really liked about the story was that the writer used "inflection point".
One can tell when a newspaper is not writing down to the lowest common denominator. It's a good thing when a newspaper article contains words that send
peoplenon-lizards to their dictionaries.
FTFY.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:06:58pm |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
From the WSJ article you linked:
Gene Munster, an analyst with Piper Jaffray, said Apple could sell 200,000 to 300,000 iPads over the weekend and 2.8 million over the course of 2010. Research firm iSuppli Corp. predicted that 7.1 million iPads will sell world-wide this year, with sales nearly tripling to 20.1 million by 2012.
However:
Analyst: Apple sold 600-700 thousand iPads the first day
Piper Jaffray Senior Research Analyst, Gene Munster, on Saturday said he believes Apple sold between 600-700 thousand iPads on the first day. This includes the pre-orders that would have been coming in since March 12.
These new sales predictions are well above the 200-300 thousand units Munster previously expected Apple to sell on the first day.
Because there were many "pick ups" of previously ordered (online) iPads more units were of course moved than people just walking in off the street would otherwise have purchased.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:08:10pm |
re: #234 Cato the Elder
Don't you have a back cover for the cookbook to work on, or something?
Mandy's not here.
Honestly, you are better than this.
I could list the things I find stellar about you, but then, I don't know you. I just know your CtE persona on LGF.
Still, you ARE better than this.
IMHO.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:08:52pm |
re: #234 Cato the Elder
Ain't love grand. 41 people logged on and your thoughts are only for your Mandy.
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Racer X Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:09:14pm |
Dear Mandy,
Please get out of Cato's head.
Thanks.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:11:09pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:11:50pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:12:18pm |
re: #236 freetoken
I made the iGEEK comment because of this:
In San Francisco, tech blogger Jason Kincaid had been in line for one and a half hours and was about to be clapped into the store by the blue-shirted staff. He already had two iPhones, an iMac and the MacBook Pro laptop, but "had to have an iPad," he said. "It's changing the paradigm of how we will use computers – I'll need to test all its apps as well as the way the touch-screen works," he said.
I don't care how many they sell. These people are the computer equivalent of Star Wars geeks.
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Olsonist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:12:36pm |
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:13:03pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:13:39pm |
re: #238 Bagua
Ain't love grand. 41 people logged on, none of whom are Ms. Manners, and your thoughts are only for your Mandy.
FTFY
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:14:52pm |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
In the SJMN article I linked, Wozniak, who stood in line to buy one off the shelf, made mention of how it reminded him of standing in line at the rock concerts of old.
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:15:07pm |
re: #234 Cato the Elder
I think you are in love with her.... if not love - at least obsession....
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:15:59pm |
re: #247 freetoken
In the SJMN article I linked, Wozniak, who stood in line to buy one off the shelf, made mention of how it reminded him of standing in line at the rock concerts of old.
I camped out for Rolling Stones tix. But the tix were limited, at least.:)
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:16:13pm |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
I made the iGEEK comment because of this:
In San Francisco, tech blogger Jason Kincaid had been in line for one and a half hours and was about to be clapped into the store by the blue-shirted staff. He already had two iPhones, an iMac and the MacBook Pro laptop, but "had to have an iPad," he said. "It's changing the paradigm of how we will use computers – I'll need to test all its apps as well as the way the touch-screen works," he said.
I don't care how many they sell. These people are the computer equivalent of Star Wars geeks.
Defining the meaning of the word 'geek". I bet they live in their parents basements to afford all of the Apple toys!
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:17:36pm |
Well, for all you AGW-denying American-exceptionalist Tea Partiers out there, if Greenpeace hates it will you now love it?
iPad attacked: Green Peace says cloud computing guzzles coal
iPad owners are targeted by a new Greenpeace report which accuses the iPad and other cloud computing dependent tech like Facebook and the Google Chrome OS. The big problem is apparently the energy chugging data centres that power cloud-reliant tech like the iPad.
Greenpeace says: “Cloud computing devices like the Apple iPad [raise] fresh questions about how the internet is powered and whether the IT sector will continue to fuel climate change by increasing demand for dirty coal power.” As far as we know, all coal power is dirty.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:18:17pm |
re: #250 Floral Giraffe
Defining the meaning of the word 'geek". I bet they live in their parents basements to afford all of the Apple toys!
I can't do that. We have no basements in Florida. Except the Hemingway house in Key West.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:18:58pm |
re: #248 WindHorse
I think you are in love with her... if not love - at least obsession...
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:19:37pm |
re: #172 Thanos
Also please note Austin Blue, that the WMD discussion and why we went to war discussion have been dead horses and flayed to dust for years here. I don't participate in that discussion anymore, and most lizards also do not. It's been done, and you cannot say anything new, so why bother?
Good point! I'll just point at the wreckage, blood, and lost wealth of a nation and ask:
"How'd that work for for ya? Has it been worth your loss?"
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:19:53pm |
re: #251 freetoken
They (members of greenpeace) wouldn't have known to complain about it unless they had internet connected computers.
/
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:20:00pm |
re: #251 freetoken
Well, for all you AGW-denying American-exceptionalist Tea Partiers out there, if Greenpeace hates it will you now love it?
iPad attacked: Green Peace says cloud computing guzzles coal
I say we go back to nature and bring back smoke signals...
No, wait!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:20:00pm |
re: #251 freetoken
I like it when people talk to me about AGW while drinking bottled water.
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austin_blue Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:21:15pm |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't we get all the people out of Fallujah and take out the insurgents? On the ground?
Um, no, we didn't.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:21:18pm |
re: #251 freetoken
Well, it helps. Not enough though. I think they need to include more toxic materials that violate RoHS and WEEW regulations.
Then, maybe...
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:21:40pm |
I think they ought to shut the plant down until NY state develops some sanity...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:21:52pm |
re: #256 Gus 802
I say we go back to nature and bring back smoke signals...
No, wait!
/
How do we do this.../ and this...:).. with smoke signals?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:22:07pm |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
I like it when people talk to me about AGW while drinking bottled water.
I will talk to you about AGW while drinking canned beer. And smoking generic cigarettes.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:22:18pm |
re: #239 Racer X
Dear Mandy,
Please get out of Cato's head.
Thanks.
I think her son has turned parts of Cato's brain into a Rumpus Room. Mandy clearly does live in the rest of his head, though.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:22:28pm |
re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth
In the big picture I believe a move to the smaller, more mobile computing platforms will turn out to be ecologically beneficial. Besides consuming fewer resources compared to full size desk computers, if indeed the iPad (and similar products) finally replaces print media there will be a huge benefit in not having to haul all those dead tree products around the world.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:23:17pm |
re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth
Speaking of beer and cigs... how's your exercise plan working out?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:23:40pm |
re: #237 Floral Giraffe
Don't you have a back cover for the cookbook to work on, or something?
Mandy's not here.Honestly, you are better than this.
I could list the things I find stellar about you, but then, I don't know you. I just know your CtE persona on LGF.
Still, you ARE better than this.
IMHO.
No, I'm not.
I think Mandy is a stand-in for Sarah Palin.
And I think people who type IMHO know nothing about humility or how to frame an opinion.
IMHO.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:24:07pm |
re: #260 Thanos
I think they ought to shut the plant down until NY state develops some sanity...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I agree. Let's see if they like rolling blackouts as much as California did.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:26:24pm |
re: #264 freetoken
In the big picture I believe a move to the smaller, more mobile computing platforms will turn out to be ecologically beneficial. Besides consuming fewer resources compared to full size desk computers, if indeed the iPad (and similar products) finally replaces print media there will be a huge benefit in not having to haul all those dead tree products around the world.
In the mid eighties I worked on two large projects. One was a distributed processing system that was going to enable the 'paperless office' and the other was a 1200 line per minute printer...
I laughed then. I laugh still.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:26:35pm |
Cato's lament.
(One of the all time greats of American blues.)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:27:19pm |
re: #267 Van Helsing
I agree. Let's see if they like rolling blackouts as much as California did.
Agreed.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:27:58pm |
re: #266 Cato the Elder
Cato, I like you but you're blogstalking. Cool it.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:28:03pm |
re: #266 Cato the Elder
Be what you want to be.
I still like a lot of what I see you post.
I don't like the Mandy attacks.
But, you're posting them, not me.
My 2 cents, are worth exactly what you paid for them!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:31:26pm |
re: #267 Van Helsing
I agree. Let's see if they like rolling blackouts as much as California did.
Didn't the voters approve the California thing?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:32:46pm |
re: #265 freetoken
Speaking of beer and cigs... how's your exercise plan working out?
Non-implemented, as of yet. I have been sedentary for about over a year, and gained a bit of weight. That, along with my age and habits is a bad combo, so I am not going to jump back into weights just yet.
My plan is to start slow by simply walking, then bike riding. I just need to stop procrastinating and get too it. The good news is that I already eat healthy. The worst part of my diet is beer.
Anywho, thanks again for answering my questions in that other thread. I faved your replies for future reference.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:34:37pm |
G'nite everyone. Play nice.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:34:46pm |
re: #266 Cato the Elder
No, I'm not.
I think Mandy is a stand-in for Sarah Palin.
IMHO.
So do I. Come to terms with yourself and the devils will go away.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:37:00pm |
re: #266 Cato the Elder
It's a tiresome bit, and poor netiquette to bash someone when they're not here.
Bash me instead. I'm here. I'm overweight, drink cheap beer, and smoke cheap cigs. I even cut my own hair. Start with that material.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:37:43pm |
re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't the voters approve the California thing?
Frontline A number of problems including lack of in state generating capacity, price controls and a rapacious company called 'Enron'....
The largest problem from my point of view is that CA didn't want to build any more generating capacity. This left them at the mercy of anyone that had excess capacity to sell. And it was a hot summer...
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prairiefire Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:37:49pm |
re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth
Watch out for your triglycerides with beer. My both of my cholesterol's were bad on my latest work up. I have been on a cheese soup and Egg Mc muffin binge this week. I then plan to eat only chicken and exercise, I think.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:38:28pm |
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:39:03pm |
re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a tiresome bit, and poor netiquette to bash someone when they're not here.
Bash me instead. I'm here. I'm overweight, drink cheap beer, and smoke cheap cigs. I even cut my own hair. Start with that material.
Anything but that!!!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:39:22pm |
re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a tiresome bit, and poor netiquette to bash someone when they're not here.
Bash me instead. I'm here. I'm overweight, drink cheap beer, and smoke cheap cigs. I even cut my own hair. Start with that material.
Oh, piffle. If one waited till someone was here to bash her, one would never get to say a thing.
The Early Morning Mandy Show is not something I'm willing to wait up or get up for.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:40:53pm |
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ryannon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:42:20pm |
re: #284 Cato the Elder
Oh, piffle. If one waited till someone was here to bash her, one would never get to say a thing.
The Early Morning Mandy Show is not something I'm willing to wait up or get up for.
Learn to see the Mandy in yourself. She was put on your path for that reason.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:43:48pm |
re: #286 ryannon
Learn to see the Mandy in yourself. She was put on your path for that reason.
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:43:56pm |
re: #284 Cato the Elder
Oh, piffle. If one waited till someone was here to bash her, one would never get to say a thing.
The Early Morning Mandy Show is not something I'm willing to wait up or get up for.
Baby You're Not Goint To Make A Fool Of Me
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:44:25pm |
re: #284 Cato the Elder
Bullshit. You could simply try not being such an obsessive prick, stop bashing people who haven't even posted in a thread you're bashing them on, and stick to making the informed and educated posts that most (okay, maybe some) of us like you for.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:44:26pm |
re: #288 Cato the Elder
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
Or, just drown him in the Genghis River.
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ryannon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:45:11pm |
re: #288 Cato the Elder
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
How can you kill what only exists in your mind?
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:45:15pm |
re: #288 Cato the Elder
why would you want to kill something you don't understand?
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:45:45pm |
re: #279 prairiefire
...But lately I've been spotted..
...with a BigMac on my breath..
..stumblin' in from a Colonel Sanders'..
..with a face as white as death..
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:45:56pm |
re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth
Get yourself a pedometer! I wear mine every day. It's not all that accurate, but it does compare to itself well. 10,000 steps is supposedly what you need to do, daily, to maintain your weight. You can measure your step & figure out mileage, but driving it in a car is easier to measure. Good luck! Too many of us in the US aren't of a healthy weight. Keep trying!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:46:21pm |
Good night, Lizards. I have the morning shift.
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:46:26pm |
re: #295 swamprat
...But lately I've been spotted..
...with a BigMac on my breath..
..stumblin' in from a Colonel Sanders'..
..with a face as white as death..
Junk Food Junkie?
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sngnsgt Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:46:44pm |
re: #220 Bagua
What computer doesn't have a usb port?
My Atari ST-1040 didn't have one, it did have a cassette drive though!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:47:20pm |
Well, enjoy the EMMS, everybody. Goodnight.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:47:43pm |
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prairiefire Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:47:47pm |
re: #285 Slumbering Behemoth
My favored super market has been selling a made on site version of this recipe using Boulevard Ale Beer. Basically it's a chicken and veg soup with cheese and beer added. Yummm:[Link: www.cdkitchen.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:48:16pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:48:44pm |
re: #293 ryannon
How can you kill what only exists in your mind?
"Which mind would the learned monk wish me to refresh?"
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:48:46pm |
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prairiefire Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:48:54pm |
re: #305 Floral Giraffe
Night, Floral. Please turn the lights off when your done. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:49:55pm |
re: #296 Floral Giraffe
I prefer Freetoken's brand of motivation, it appeals to me.
I was doing pretty good with a cardio/weight lifting routine until I had hernia surgery, then I trailed off into being lazy. I just need to stop procrastinating. Journey of a thousand miles, and all that.
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ryannon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:50:02pm |
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:50:22pm |
No one has ever seen Cato and Mandy in the same room together;
First rule of the fight club is you don't talk about the fight club.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:50:43pm |
re: #310 prairiefire
Not me, Cato's going out.
I'm not sleepy, yet...
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Van Helsing Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:51:04pm |
re: #295 swamprat
Amazing that Dr Demento is still around.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:54:06pm |
re: #301 Cato the Elder
Well, enjoy the EMMS, everybody. Goodnight.
I tend to skip right past it unless I find something of value to me, just like I tend to skip past the LNCOS. Get over it, and scroll on by.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:54:40pm |
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:55:10pm |
re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth
Speaking of the hernia... wanted to re-emphasize that when I recommend doing "crunches" that I do not mean that which most people think of when doing "crunches." Too many people think the goal is to wrap the body forward. That is not good. Rather, the idea is to lift the upper torso to the ceiling as the belly button is pulled backwards to the spine.
Anyway, good luck.
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ryannon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:57:22pm |
re: #316 WindHorse
It's all about love...
Which can take some awful forms. Posted a while back by a Lizard (my apologies, I can't remember who):
Addicted to Hate: The Fred Phelps Story
A small book-length profile worth reading - if you have a strong stomach:
[Link: www.robertslevinson.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:57:38pm |
re: #320 freetoken
"upper torso to the ceiling as the belly button is pulled backwards to the spine."
I either gotta get out more, or stay in more.
Not sure which!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 10:58:57pm |
re: #320 freetoken
I was doing various cross-legged crunches (hands hovering at my ears instead of linked behind my head), and various plank exercises. Form is key to preventing injury.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:00:14pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:02:44pm |
Good night all. May you sleep the sleep of a child. And be dreamless, and rested. I wish for you, nothing but the sweet, dreamless, sleep, of the pure.
Namaste.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:02:58pm |
When it comes to observing proper firearms safety, placement and position are highly important..
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:03:34pm |
re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth
It is very important with a hernia to be careful of how you are putting pressure on the abdominal wall, as you undoubtedly know by now.
As such, the ab exercises have to be those which don't use other muscles to try and force pressure on the guts, that would push out the wall. Rather, what is needed is the ability to carefully strengthen the muscles of the abdomen.
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ryannon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:07:21pm |
re: #326 Slumbering Behemoth
When it comes to observing proper firearms safety, placement and position are highly important..
I wonder if he ever picked up a hunting rifle again and went out to bag his lion?
I'd like to think he didn't.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:09:04pm |
re: #327 freetoken
My hernia was inguinal, if that makes a difference. Does it?
/When the I told the doc that I was doing weighted lungs, her eyes got big.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:12:51pm |
re: #328 ryannon
That ain't no hunter. Probably a researcher with a "just in case" bang stick. May even be a tranq rifle. But that ain't no hunter. No hunter would be dumb enough to get into that situation.
Come to think of it, I'd bet that's 'shopped.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:23:19pm |
re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth
Hernias arise because of the lack of enough tissue to prevent the eruption of intestines downward. If your hernia was caused by a genetic or developmental factor which led to an absence of material to form a wall, exercises probably can't do anything for you in regards to being able to keep such things from happening.
HOWEVER, it is also true that you can by improper actions cause problems for yourself. No wonder you Drs get bug-eyed when you tell them you're doing lunges!
Thing is though, strong abdominal muscles are need for good posture and alignment. Poor alignment when doing any activity could cause the hernia problems (such as sloppily done lunges!)
In our American society in particular, with our anatomies contorted by the automobile, couch-potato-ing, computer addiction, etc., I see so many people who are not holding their upper bodies correctly. What happens is that the thoracic cavity is squished as the spine is curved forward. Ideally the upper body should be balanced directly (vertically) above the pelvis. Almost all the young people I see have the posture of 90 year old women!
So, you need strong ab muscles for your back health and posture... yet you also have to avoid putting undue pressure on the bottom of the abdominal cavity.
If I were you I'd avoid all the contorting pose type of "exercises" (what I call "yoga-ific"). Also I would avoid trying to roll the body forward into a tiny ball.
With my own back problems I had to learn how to strengthen not only the back muscles but also the abs. One needs to do both, not just one side.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:34:40pm |
re: #331 freetoken
With my own back problems I had to learn how to strengthen not only the back muscles but also the abs. One needs to do both, not just one side.
The stuff I have been reading lately state that this is key. A balanced core, back and abs, are key to any other gains you wish to make.
And from what I have been reading, you body is pretty clever at protecting itself from injury. If your core is not built up properly to balance other body parts, your body will actually knee-cap your efforts to build other muscles (like your biceps) in order to prevent a potential imbalance that could cause injury.
On the back problems, that's the reason I started with weights in the first place. That, and the "use it or lose it" axiom.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:45:07pm |
re: #332 Slumbering Behemoth
Floor exercises are recommended for both front and back of the torso. These are the safest (usually.) The net is full of examples, though unfortunately you are just as likely to come across poor examples as good ones.
Indeed, with what you've told me, if I were training you I'd start you off on the floor with alignment/awareness exercises, and prioritize the front/back balance.
However, without actually observing you and interacting with you as you do the routines it is hard to communicate what needs to be said. Even in the gym when I see many people doing floor work (which they probably learn from a "Pilates" or "Yoga" class) I see people make the same mistakes over and over again. Almost always people are straining too much. Often they are bending too much in one direction. Or they are bouncing (saw a woman do that tonight) when they should be still, etc.
Had a great physical therapist at one time, who could stretch me ideally. But some of his underlings were horrible. The body working skills take much study and practice. I learn something new all the time.
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flatspin Sun, Apr 4, 2010 10:41:21pm |
I don't think bloggers should ever sue each other for defamation and Blair's done himself no favours here at all but linking to Darryl Mason at 'The Orstrahyun'? Is this the persistent troll D.P. Mason a.k.a. LeftyLatteLover who was banned from Blair's old site years ago and who was exposed as a sock puppeteer - Max Dreswell/Stan Lorne/Sam Lowry/Ferris Fremont/PitchMaster - himself? (Links available but of course they're all to Blair's old site.) Darryl Mason: "UPDATE : Sorry, all comments are closed on this blog for the moment. I'm guessing you can understand why." Yes we can.
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