1 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:32:25am

"Keep your gubmint hands off my militia!"

2 jaunte  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:35:52am
3 Palmer_Eldritch  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:37:52am

Feedom = Savoury
Ware = Piece
Ignoruntse = Strengsh

4 TedStriker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:38:41am

I wonder if Goldline and the like run booths/tables at these events...

///

5 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:40:11am
6 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:41:32am

Freedom means freedom from the speiling of the libural elites and there big govrnment! Down with the commie-islamo-facists!

7 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:41:58am

Maybe they're just accusing Obama of laziness.

8 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:42:58am

As Tom Lehrer said about 50 years ago in his "Be Prepared"--

Don't write dirty words on walls if you can't spell

9 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:46:57am
10 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:47:37am

Obviously the person who posted these is a member of the oligarhy!

11 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:48:39am

Descent indeed.

12 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:49:58am

re: #11 Irenicum

Descent indeed.

Awesome game.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:50:13am

re: #6 McSpiff

Freedom means freedom from the speiling of the libural elites and there big govrnment! Down with the commie-islamo-facists!

They're just doing authentic eighteenth-century spelling variants, in honor of the founding fathers.

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:51:23am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

They're just doing authentic eighteenth-century spelling variants, in honor of the founding fathers.

As a teacher, I'm so tempted to let my kids proofread these, for practice and fun, but I have a feeling that somehow it would become a political issue.

Maybe better to just chuckle at home.

15 compound idaho  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:52:54am

re: #8 ClaudeMonet

As Tom Lehrer said about 50 years ago in his "Be Prepared"--

Don't write dirty words on walls if you can't spell

If you are looking for adventure of a new and different kind
and come across a girl scout who is similarly inclined
don't be nervous
don't get panicked
don't be scared
... be prepared.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:53:31am

'Control Our Boarder'

Look lady, he's not MY boarder. You decided to take him in for the extra cash, YOU get him under control.

17 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:54:20am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

As a teacher, I'm so tempted to let my kids proofread these, for practice and fun, but I have a feeling that somehow it would become a political issue.

Maybe better to just chuckle at home.

Well. I thought about this and you could use it as a lesson in an indirect way. I little experiment to see if spelling of a sign affects the message and it's influence over you.

Show them two similar signs (non-political), one with misspellings and see how they feel. It would be helpful to teach them these sorts of critical analysis skills which they might use in the future as we are using them now.

18 rhino2  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:54:35am

re: #12 Varek Raith

Awesome game.

I loved the descent series, still have them. Was considering building an old crappy computer just to be able to go back and play em (among some other classics).

19 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:55:02am
20 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:56:33am

SFZ -
This reminds me of some "making of" coverage of that Deadwood wild-west series on HBO. They tried very hard getting the diction and cussing right. I'm guessing the written correspondence of the time was more formal than spoken language, as always, and they made the people talk the way they wrote - so much more stilted and wordy. They also made the point that educated people - journalists - knew and used more words, but never spelt anything the same way twice even as late as the 1870's

21 windsagio  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:57:09am

re: #12 Varek Raith

Freespace and Freespace 2 were the best space shooters ever made for any platform.

22 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:57:20am

And mommy, that one congressman used too much eye shadow!

23 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:57:37am

re: #21 windsagio

Freespace and Freespace 2 were the best space shooters ever made for any platform.

Awesome games too!

24 windsagio  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:58:05am

re: #20 keloyd

Yeah, standardized spelling is a fairly recent annoyance :P

25 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:58:49am
26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:59:02am

re: #3 Palmer_Eldritch

Feedom = Savoury
Ware = Piece
Ignoruntse = Strengsh

Brutal but brilliant. Upding!

27 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:59:14am

re: #21 windsagio

Freespace and Freespace 2 were the best space shooters ever made for any platform.

Good games but I gave the most blood, sweat and cheers to Counter-Strike. Simple, fast and completely addictive. Not a space shooter but my favorite shooter up to this point.

28 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 11:59:49am

OK, this one at least has some style going on!

29 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:00:28pm

re: #24 windsagio

for some it hasn't come recently enough(!)

30 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:01:41pm
31 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:01:45pm

Do you think these people would be re: #15 compound idaho

If you are looking for adventure of a new and different kind
and come across a girl scout who is similarly inclined
don't be nervous
don't get panicked
don't be scared
... be prepared.

Looking for Brownie points, are we?

32 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:01:59pm

re: #28 Irenicum

OK, this one at least has some style going on!

Is that little red guy supposed to be what a congressman looks like 'peeled'? He doesn't look pleased.

33 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:02:58pm

re: #28 Irenicum

OK, this one at least has some style going on!

That one's OK, since the misspelling is being consciously used to make a pun. It's actually funny.

34 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:03:51pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

As a teacher, I'm so tempted to let my kids proofread these, for practice and fun, but I have a feeling that somehow it would become a political issue.

Maybe better to just chuckle at home.

Wise move. We don't want to hear you being execrated on nationwide talk radio.

35 bosforus  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:04:15pm

You think they'd mind if we drew red squiggly lines under all their misspelled words?

36 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:05:34pm

re: #35 bosforus

You think they'd mind if we drew red squiggly lines under all their misspelled words?

Need a giant PAPERCLIP PUPPET!11!!1

37 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:05:43pm

re: #35 bosforus

You think they'd mind if we drew red squiggly lines under all their misspelled words?

Careful, there. You tryin' to start a revolation or somethin'?

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:06:50pm

re: #35 bosforus

You think they'd mind if we drew red squiggly lines under all their misspelled words?

They'd start screaming "GRAMMARIST OLIGARY!!1" if we did that.

39 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:08:28pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

They'd start screaming "GRAMMARIST OLIGARY!!1" if we did that.

Laugh I think they'd call us "Wurd Ileetists".

40 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:08:55pm

Maybe that's why Charles put the spell checker on this. So he wouldn't be judged for our errors like we judge the tea party movement for theirs.

41 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:09:05pm

Hmm. They do not know how to spell "liar" but they again ask for the birth certificate with proper spelling. Amazing.

42 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:09:33pm

re: #35 bosforus

You think they'd mind if we drew red squiggly lines under all their misspelled words?

A spellcheck tool for hand-lettered protest signs? That would be so cool!

43 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:09:53pm

re: #40 Plato

Maybe that's why Charles put the spell checker on this. So he wouldn't be judged for our errors like we judge the tea party movement for theirs.

I do'nt mak know erers!

44 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:10:58pm

It's interesting to see all of these misspellings and bad grammar. Most regular folks I know spell phonetically quite often. I'm somewhat of a stickler about both, but know that this doesn't prove anything concerning intelligence. What does show something about intelligence is the amazing amount of just plain old fashioned bad info out there that so many of these folks buy hook line and sinker. There's a certain amount of "self certainty" that seems to inhabit this mindset, and fact-checking as well as spell checking or grammar checking all go against this way of thinking. Honestly, what we're seeing is the expression of spleenocracy. And that kind of venting just doesn't allow for reflection. I really hope the job picture gets better. These folks really need to use their time more wisely.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:11:36pm

re: #40 Plato

Maybe that's why Charles put the spell checker on this. So he wouldn't be judged for our errors like we judge the tea party movement for theirs.

I'm just realizing anew how essential it is to teach children what an apostrophe is for, BEFORE they hit the streets with incomprehensible protest signs.

46 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:12:00pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

'Control Our Boarder'

Look lady, he's not MY boarder. You decided to take him in for the extra cash, YOU get him under control.

I no can catch him.

You'll have to set a trap.

He's not a boarder, he's-a my partner. He-a no speak.

Oh. A silent partner, eh?

Yeah. We heard there was a big boom down in Florida. Well, we're a couple of big booms, so we thought we'd come down.

If you don't have jobs, how will you pay your rent?

We figured that was your look out.

/Groucho , the cocoa-nuts

47 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:12:17pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just realizing anew how essential it is to teach children what an apostrophe is for, BEFORE they hit the streets with incomprehensible protest signs.

W'H'A'T'!'?'

48 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:13:24pm

And I'm driving down the freeway yesterday, behind a big black SUV with a new bumper sticker - Obama as the Joker - "The Joke's on Us".

49 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:15:02pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

I do'nt mak know erers!

Sounds like some ballplayers I've heard.

BTW, in addition to Happy Easter to many and Happy Sunday to all, Happy Return of Baseball tonight!

50 Lidane  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:15:17pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

Need a giant PAPERCLIP PUPPET!11!!1

Aww, Poor Clippy. He never did get any respect.

51 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:15:57pm

Tea partiers don't have Microsoft Word? I agree with Irenicum regarding the deliberate ignorance issue. Couple with any attempt to educate or correct mistakes a elitist arrogance it makes for a pretty thick shell.

52 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:16:46pm

re: #49 ClaudeMonet

Amen! My church has services in the late afternoon and it's only a few blocks away from Fenway. Oy! Speaking of which, I gotta run!

53 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:16:55pm

re: #51 Locker

who is irenicum?

54 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:17:06pm

re: #53 Plato

Me!

55 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:17:13pm

re: #50 Lidane

Aww, Poor Clippy. He never did get any respect.

Lol.

Looks like your writing a ransom note. Would you like some help? Try using forceful words.
56 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:17:23pm

re: #51 Locker
I guess they never heard of Webster, American Heritage or Oxford. Pity.

57 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:17:33pm

re: #54 Irenicum

Go Red Sox

58 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:18:26pm

re: #57 Plato

It's gonna be nuts down there! I love it!

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:19:06pm

re: #51 Locker

Tea partiers don't have Microsoft Word? I agree with Irenicum regarding the deliberate ignorance issue. Couple with any attempt to educate or correct mistakes a elitist arrogance it makes for a pretty thick shell.

Some of these look like errors where you simply forget or repeat a letter as you do the lettering. Others are...less explicable.

I find the ones where they're calling for English-only particularly fun.

60 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:19:24pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

And I'm driving down the freeway yesterday, behind a big black SUV with a new bumper sticker - Obama as the Joker - "The Joke's on Us".

Was it tailgating that beat-up little blue-smoke-belching Honda with the bumper sticker saying, "Honor Your Mother Earth"?

I'm thinking of getting twin bumper stickers for my car. One says, "This bumper sticker says nothing" and the other, "Which is smarter than most bumper stickers".

61 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:19:46pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

'Control Our Boarder'

Look lady, he's not MY boarder. You decided to take him in for the extra cash, YOU get him under control.

rofl My husband and I are holding are sides!

62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:20:06pm

First things first. I am a geek. That said, I actually spell words in my head while talking. Second, I still practice writing once a week.

63 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:22:00pm

re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am a spelling geek as well... I habitually proofread everything - cereal boxes, billboards, EVERYTHING. My eldest son inherited this habit. Alas, my youngest did not.

64 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:22:37pm

It's odd that anti-American protesters in Arab countries don't seem to have spelling errors on their signs.

65 barflytom  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:23:02pm

So that's the result of decades of public education, with the gubmint running the schools ?
No doubt the same excellent results will be achieved when the Federal Government runs everything else.....

66 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:23:12pm

I misspell words constantly and I'm aware of it. Some places it matters and I'm extremely careful (work, email to my critical mother, etc) and other places I just want to dash off an idea and it's not so important. Personally, if I were going to carry a sign around all day with me as a representation of my opinion to the entire free world I'd probably take the extra 15 seconds necessary to spell check.

67 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:23:40pm

re: #64 Plato

It's odd that anti-American protesters in Arab countries don't seem to have spelling errors on their signs.

Image: death-juice.jpg

68 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:23:59pm

re: #51 Locker

Tea partiers don't have Microsoft Word? I agree with Irenicum regarding the deliberate ignorance issue. Couple with any attempt to educate or correct mistakes a elitist arrogance it makes for a pretty thick shell.

Well we get people around here calling the first lady and Jamie Oliver's efforts to get kids to eat healthier "pretentious", so there you go.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:24:00pm

re: #64 Plato

It's odd that anti-American protesters in Arab countries don't seem to have spelling errors on their signs.

I think they get theirs from a central location with proofreading capacity.

That said, none of these guys are up to the full glory of the "Death to All Juice" man.

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:24:03pm

re: #64 Plato

It's odd that anti-American protesters in Arab countries don't seem to have spelling errors on their signs.

"America is the Big Stan" isn't hard to spell!!

71 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:24:07pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

And I'm driving down the freeway yesterday, behind a big black SUV with a new bumper sticker - Obama as the Joker - "The Joke's on Us".

Brother, is that an obnoxious meme. I wasn't hostile to it at first, though I've always thought it as erroneous. But since the most extreme of the Tea Party crowd started using it on signs calling Obamacare "National Socialist Healthcare" (a clear Godwin's Law violation), my tolerance for it has fallen to nothingness. I now see it simply as the user of the image being an ass.

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:24:31pm

Pencil
Proof
Proof again
Ink

I thought everyone learned that at a fairly young age. I guess some people have never learned to plan ahead.

73 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:24:58pm

re: #68 bratwurst

Well we get people around here calling the first lady and Jamie Oliver's efforts to get kids to eat healthier "pretentious", so there you go.

Excellent example brat my friend. Most triumphant.

74 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:25:13pm

I think those are New Yorkers
re: #67 Varek Raith

75 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:25:40pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Brother, is that an obnoxious meme. I wasn't hostile to it at first, though I've always thought it as erroneous. But since the most extreme of the Tea Party crowd started using it on signs calling Obamacare "National Socialist Healthcare" (a clear Godwin's Law violation), my tolerance for it has fallen to nothingness. I now see it simply as the user of the image being an ass.

Quite concur. :)

76 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:25:42pm

re: #44 Irenicum

It's interesting to see all of these misspellings and bad grammar. Most regular folks I know spell phonetically quite often. I'm somewhat of a stickler about both, but know that this doesn't prove anything concerning intelligence. What does show something about intelligence is the amazing amount of just plain old fashioned bad info out there that so many of these folks buy hook line and sinker. There's a certain amount of "self certainty" that seems to inhabit this mindset, and fact-checking as well as spell checking or grammar checking all go against this way of thinking. Honestly, what we're seeing is the expression of spleenocracy. And that kind of venting just doesn't allow for reflection. I really hope the job picture gets better. These folks really need to use their time more wisely.

hehe Usually those who know they spell poorly ask for help. My father and my husband both are poor spellers and are always asking me how to spell.

On the other hand, I have a speech impediment (I occasionally stammer) which makes it difficult to pronounce words sometimes. I spell, my husband talks, we make a great team.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:25:48pm

re: #65 barflytom

So that's the result of decades of public education, with the gubmint running the schools ?
No doubt the same excellent results will be achieved when the Federal Government runs everything else...

I thought these staunch folks were the backbone of the homeschooling movement?

//This snark in no way intended to offend any actual homeschoolers present.

78 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:26:16pm

re: #66 Locker

Personally, if I were going to carry a sign around all day with me as a representation of my opinion to the entire free world I'd probably take the extra 15 seconds necessary to spell check.

Exactly. If I were planning on attending a rally, I would most likely prepare my sign(s) a few days beforehand, in pencil. Not until I was absolutely sure no errors appeared, would I apply the Sharpies.

79 Bagua  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:26:16pm

No spelling mistake:

When the President occupies the Lincoln he is indeed the lier in Chief.

80 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:26:28pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

Image: death-juice.jpg

That can't be real. It just can't be real.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:26:43pm

re: #57 Plato

Go Red Sox

re: #74 Plato

I think those are New Yorkers

Heh. Go Rays.

82 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:27:03pm

re: #61 marjoriemoon

rofl My husband and I are holding are sides!

Well that was embarrassing :p

83 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:27:07pm

re: #73 Locker

Excellent example brat my friend. Most triumphant.

Wow, first I got the distinct honor of appearing on the "enemies of Israel" list with SFZ in the overnight thread, now this! :D

84 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:28:04pm

Spell checkers must be a tool of the New Word Order...

William

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:28:32pm

re: #78 BaseballMom57

Exactly. If I were planning on attending a rally, I would most likely prepare my sign(s) a few days beforehand, in pencil. Not until I was absolutely sure no errors appeared, would I apply the Sharpies.

You can see that a lot of people do have beautifully (and correctly) lettered signs. Some of the misspelled ones were clearly written in Sharpie in the car on the way to the demo.

Others...well, we are all mortal, as Shakespeare would have pointed out.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:28:46pm

re: #79 Bagua

No spelling mistake:

When the President occupies the Lincoln he is indeed the lier in Chief.

Nice pun. Great word usage.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:29:00pm

re: #80 Locker

That can't be real. It just can't be real.

It's a cult classic! Guys in New York dressed up like him for Purim and Halloween!

88 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:29:09pm

Stanley Sea, Claude Monet,
I remember the old days, the "Before Time" when Republicans looked down on using bumper stickers at all, except maybe presidential elections, and then just the candidates' names, e.g. "Nixon Agnew '68" In the Before Time we didn't want all that glue messing up the paint or chrome on the bumper - the bumper of a big CAR, not a truck passing itself off doing the job of a car. Lots of bumper stickers was the mark of the hippy. Bumper stickers lived on VW vans, not anything in a Republican's garage.

re: #63 BaseballMom57
Are you one of those who has a strong opinion on whether "anal retentive" should be spelled with or without a hyphen? //

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:29:17pm

re: #82 marjoriemoon

Well that was embarrassing :p

I thought it was deliberate. (You should have said nothing.)

90 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:29:19pm

re: #84 wlewisiii

When people go places and are good spellers they take spell checker cabs.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:29:26pm

re: #83 bratwurst

Wow, first I got the distinct honor of appearing on the "enemies of Israel" list with SFZ in the overnight thread, now this! :D

Who put up that list?

92 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:29:26pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

You can see that a lot of people do have beautifully (and correctly) lettered signs. Some of the misspelled ones were clearly written in Sharpie in the car on the way to the demo.

Others...well, we are all mortal, as Shakespeare would have pointed out.


Speak for yourself!
:P

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:30:00pm

re: #68 bratwurst

Well we get people around here calling the first lady and Jamie Oliver's efforts to get kids to eat healthier "pretentious", so there you go.

I don't get it. I watched his show, and I just can't comprehend how someone can be so adamantly opposed to eating fresh, healthy foods made from natural ingredients. It boggles the mind. It's not like he's trying to make people eat tofu and sawdust.

94 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:31:04pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth
I prefer America's Test Kitchen.

95 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:31:07pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Who put up that list?

Here.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:31:21pm

BRB

97 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:31:52pm

re: #68 bratwurst

Well we get people around here calling the first lady and Jamie Oliver's efforts to get kids to eat healthier "pretentious", so there you go.

I am one of them. If the kids' meals are $6 apiece, their contents are pretentious. Here on the local news, that was the per meal cost of the 'healthy' alternatives. I like grape tomatoes and kale as much as anyone, but kids can eat healthy for $1 if 'healthy' is the only thing on the agenda.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:32:00pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Who put up that list?

Gegenkretik, who else? He even gave us cute nicknames. I am now officially SanFranciscoAntiZionist, but you can call me SFAZ.

Dude's got some issues.

99 Bagua  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:32:06pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

How did the first day in the new job go my friend?

100 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:32:49pm

re: #65 barflytom

re: #65 barflytom

So that's the result of decades of public education, with the gubmint running the schools ?
No doubt the same excellent results will be achieved when the Federal Government runs everything else...

No, that's the result of not paying attention and/or not doing the work in school.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:32:55pm

re: #99 Bagua

How did the first day in the new job go my friend?

Oh yeah...do tell!

102 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:33:23pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

Here.

I see. It was gegenkritik, proving himself the north end of a southbound horse.

103 Locker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:33:42pm

re: #83 bratwurst

Wow, first I got the distinct honor of appearing on the "enemies of Israel" list with SFZ in the overnight thread, now this! :D

Well that's the actual initiation then speaking as a "hamas sympathizer" by a certain resident whack job shortly on arrival for the shocking crime of asking a question about some report.

104 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:33:44pm

re: #100 Sionainn
ahhh, nature or nurture?

105 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:33:53pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Who put up that list?

A certain schmegegge merchant who I refuse to namecheck. I show my support for Israel by spending my time and money there and supporting Magen David Adom...he can continue to compile lists of posters he dislikes to show his.

106 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:34:32pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought it was deliberate. (You should have said nothing.)

I realized that after I saw the updings!! Really and truly I gots good grammer and speling :p

It's LGFs fault. I try to type too fast to keep up with you guys and fall over myself.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:35:14pm

re: #100 Sionainn

re: #65 barflytom

No, that's the result of not paying attention and/or not doing the work in school.

Hey new person! Cool name!

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:36:08pm

re: #104 Plato

ahhh, nature or nurture?

Neither. Working in private education, I can tell you that the effectiveness of classroom instruction is dependent on a whole host of factors--and the basic issues don't change when you get out of public schools.

109 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:36:35pm

re: #100 Sionainn

By the way, "hi" to everyone.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:36:38pm

re: #99 Bagua

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

I start tomorrow. It does not involve working on weekends, so my days off will be regular if it works out. I don't know if I'll be able to access LGF from it, and if I can, I won't till I get comfortable in it. So I likely won't be around during the day next week. Still, I'm ready for it. It's got a good deal of upside and it's my transition out of retail, a move I needed to make.

111 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:36:53pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

They're just doing authentic eighteenth-century spelling variants, in honor of the founding fathers.

Except for Jefferson.

112 barflytom  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:37:03pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought these staunch folks were the backbone of the homeschooling movement?

Not enough of them, evidently....

[Link: www.hslda.org...]

Quote:
"In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. ...... The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects."

113 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:37:23pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

I start tomorrow. It does not involve working on weekends, so my days off will be regular if it works out. I don't know if I'll be able to access LGF from it, and if I can, I won't till I get comfortable in it. So I likely won't be around during the day next week. Still, I'm ready for it. It's got a good deal of upside and it's my transition out of retail, a move I needed to make.

Cool. Retail sucks.

114 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:37:30pm

re: #104 Plato

I think it's 50% each.

115 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:37:50pm

re: #82 marjoriemoon

Well that was embarrassing :p

haha.
And now I'm holding my side!
LOL with you.

116 Bagua  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:38:15pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't get it, SFZ is very consistent in her pro-Israel stance. All gold stars on Bagua's secret list.

117 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:38:18pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks!

118 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:38:30pm

re: #114 Sionainn

go ahead...sit on that fence

119 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:39:19pm

Rule of thumb. If no one points out your spelling mistake, it never happened.
:)

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:39:32pm

re: #116 Bagua

I don't get it, SFZ is very consistent in her pro-Israel stance. All gold stars on Bagua's secret list.

Why, thank you!

121 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:39:32pm

re: #113 Varek Raith
I was in retail for years. There's an expression for retail...
You don't have to be smart...you just have to be open.

122 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:40:47pm

re: #88 keloyd

keloyd - HA! Good one.

Yes, I'm a bit that way. However I am not above using a dictionary or thesaurus when I am unsure.

123 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:40:54pm

re: #118 Plato

LOL! I actually liked SFZ's response. Lots of truth to it.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:41:03pm

re: #116 Bagua

I don't get it, SFZ is very consistent in her pro-Israel stance. All gold stars on Bagua's secret list.

I'm not totally sure how I got put on the list, but I'm sure there was a very good reason for it.

/

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:41:07pm

re: #116 Bagua

I don't get it, SFZ is very consistent in her pro-Israel stance. All gold stars on Bagua's secret list.

gegenkritik styles himself as the "oppressed defender of Israel on LFG". (spelling error intentional) He sees Charles as having abandoned Israel while becoming a "prog". It's just more of the "perfidious Charles" theme, which makes no sense in reality. But reality is not a thing is which gegenkritik deals.

126 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:41:10pm

re: #109 Sionainn

By the way, "hi" to everyone.

Newbie!
hello and welcome.

127 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:41:37pm

re: #97 keloyd

I am one of them. If the kids' meals are $6 apiece, their contents are pretentious. Here on the local news, that was the per meal cost of the 'healthy' alternatives. I like grape tomatoes and kale as much as anyone, but kids can eat healthy for $1 if 'healthy' is the only thing on the agenda.

I would not argue that $6 is too much to pay for a child's school lunch, but lets not get confused about the fact there's a serious problem leading to a public health crisis that threatens to make the impact of smoking related illnesses look like a pink eye outbreak.

128 Bagua  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:42:25pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Oh, tomorrow then, we will look forward to the full update. And do be careful about web-use on company time, many companies will monitor, but not tell you they are doing so. Best to ask upfront if they allow some personal time on the company dime.

This sounds like a good move for you. You were way overqualified for your prior job in sales.

129 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:42:33pm

re: #123 Sionainn

How long have you been looking at this site...and were you surprised when the door swung open?

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:42:51pm

re: #127 bratwurst

I would not argue that $6 is too much to pay for a child's school lunch, but lets not get confused about the fact there's a serious problem leading to a public health crisis that threatens to make the impact of smoking related illnesses look like a pink eye outbreak.

If we could only pack kids lunches. At home.
/

131 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:43:09pm

re: #121 Plato

I was in retail for years. There's an expression for retail...
You don't have to be smart...you just have to be open.

Selling mobile phones, you have to be smart. There's a lot of competition. That's true for inside sales as well, but I think the over-the-phone style of sales will suit me better, since I'm not going to be dealing with angry customers complaining when their phone doesn't work right. The lower level of stress should add to my quality of life.

132 Ramzy  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:43:40pm

ARE LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH!!!!1!!

133 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:43:42pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

Gegenkretik, who else? He even gave us cute nicknames. I am now officially SanFranciscoAntiZionist, but you can call me SFAZ.

Dude's got some issues.

I just went back and looked for the comment.
Gegenkritik has lost his mind.
In my most humble opinion.

134 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:43:56pm

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

If we could only pack kids lunches. At home.
/

"But eating healthy is too expensive".

135 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:43:58pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Selling mobile phones, you have to be smart. There's a lot of competition. That's true for inside sales as well, but I think the over-the-phone style of sales will suit me better, since I'm not going to be dealing with angry customers complaining when their phone doesn't work right. The lower level of stress should add to my quality of life.

I very much failed at retail. So~ not a people person.
XD

136 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:44:17pm

re: #128 Bagua

Oh, tomorrow then, we will look forward to the full update. And do be careful about web-use on company time, many companies will monitor, but not tell you they are doing so. Best to ask upfront if they allow some personal time on the company dime.

This sounds like a good move for you. You were way overqualified for your prior job in sales.

I've always been careful about that. And I'll make sure to ask about net use, if it's not explained beforehand.

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:44:55pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither. Working in private education, I can tell you that the effectiveness of classroom instruction is dependent on a whole host of factors--and the basic issues don't change when you get out of public schools.

I was always told that what you get out of your education is exactly what you put into it.

138 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:44:58pm

re: #129 Plato

I think I've been lurking for about a month or so after being turned on to this site by another member. I checked every day to see if registration was open and was shocked that it was yesterday.

It's a bad thing, though, because it's one more thing keeping me from getting my work done. LOL.

139 Bagua  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:45:11pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

gegenkritik styles himself as the "oppressed defender of Israel on LFG". (spelling error intentional) He sees Charles as having abandoned Israel while becoming a "prog". It's just more of the "perfidious Charles" theme, which makes no sense in reality. But reality is not a thing is which gegenkritik deals.

Yes, I get that, and English is not his first language. But singling out SFZ is missing the mark by a wide margin.

140 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:45:17pm

re: #109 Sionainn

Hello and welcome. Irish, I presume?

141 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:45:23pm

re: #115 reine.de.tout

haha.
And now I'm holding my side!
LOL with you.

LOL ugh!

My beloved, heathen, atheist husband, put a rant on his Facebook about removing the word "God" from money etc. and received a nasty, very poorly written response from some woman, grown woman (looked 40ish). He responded by correcting all her grammar.

She wrote back, "Your an idiot!"

and we laughed... and laughed....

142 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:45:26pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon
I spoke to someone who did that. If you lose a cell's address book, the customer freaks.

143 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:45:48pm

re: #138 Sionainn

I think I've been lurking for about a month or so after being turned on to this site by another member. I checked every day to see if registration was open and was shocked that it was yesterday.

It's a bad thing, though, because it's one more thing keeping me from getting my work done. LOL.

I had to retire from my job in order to get in sufficient LGF time.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:45:54pm

re: #134 bratwurst

"But eating healthy is too expensive".

I blame Big Celery!
/

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:46:23pm

re: #139 Bagua

Yes, I get that, and English is not his first language. But singling out SFZ is missing the mark by a wide margin.

He went after Obdicut for a while, which makes no more sense, and now Bratwurst is on the list as well. Very tetchy individual.

146 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:46:29pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't get it. I watched his show, and I just can't comprehend how someone can be so adamantly opposed to eating fresh, healthy foods made from natural ingredients. It boggles the mind. It's not like he's trying to make people eat tofu and sawdust.

I like the recent episode where the official chastised Oliver for his offering hot containing the requisite quantity of vegetables...while the official offerings vegetable content included french fries and an optional salad that he could not find anyone eating.

147 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:46:32pm
148 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:46:42pm

It's beautiful outside here in the midwest. I should be taking a walk...instead I'm talking about retail and spelling errors...re: #138 Sionainn

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:46:43pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Congrats, brother. Hope this turns out to be just what you need.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:47:05pm

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

I blame Big Celery!
/

Celery. The only food where you expend more calories eating it than you take in.

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:47:16pm

re: #138 Sionainn

I think I've been lurking for about a month or so after being turned on to this site by another member. I checked every day to see if registration was open and was shocked that it was yesterday.

It's a bad thing, though, because it's one more thing keeping me from getting my work done. LOL.

Took me a year before registration was open. But I'm here.:)

152 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:47:16pm

re: #140 BaseballMom57

A little bit...and I like the Irish spelling of my name.

153 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:47:16pm

re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth

Congrats, brother. Hope this turns out to be just what you need.

Indeed.

154 Plato  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:47:42pm

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had to leave a job once because i couldn't live on the celery I was making.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:48:15pm

re: #148 Plato

It's beautiful outside here in the midwest. I should be taking a walk...instead I'm talking about retail and spelling errors...

It's rainy and cold and miserable outside here. Little girls are getting their Easter bonnets rained on.

I'm stayin' indoors and eating borscht.

156 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:48:24pm

re: #152 Sionainn

I do too! How is it pronounced, may I ask?

157 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:48:29pm

re: #143 reine.de.tout

I work at home so all it does it just prolong my agony.

158 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:48:33pm

re: #127 bratwurst

Agreed, mostly. It's only some aspects of Jamie Oliver's effort that bug me, and I learned a whole lot about eating healthy and cheap in grad school and a fairly lengthy span of intermittent employment. Give me $6 and I can eat for 2 days, with fresh veggies and fruit at every meal, meat at least once a day, and usually some main course on the theme of a big pile of rice with some chunks on top. The Chinese/Vietnamese/Mexican grocery stores have more fun meat sections anyway.

159 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:49:07pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

It's rainy and cold and miserable outside here. Little girls are getting their Easter bonnets rained on.

I'm stayin' indoors and eating borscht.

Sunny and warm. Which is why I'm inside.
;)

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:49:52pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Sunny and warm. Which is why I'm inside.
;)


Preach it, Brother!!!

161 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:50:51pm

RE: Jamie Oliver's show...

I watched part of one - he was piling all the food in one house on the kitchen table while the Mom looked on in tears. Looking at all of it made me sick to my stomach. I fear he's fighting a losing battle, however.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:51:15pm

re: #142 Plato

I spoke to someone who did that. If you lose a cell's address book, the customer freaks.

I know. It's even worse when the phone gets wet and the CPU is fried. Then you have to tell them they've lost their phone book. At Sprint, some customers receive customer service surveys. If the customer does not like the answers they get, even if you've done everything right, they will sometimes still give you a bad survey. So sometimes, people got their rankings dropped and there was nothing they could do to prevent the hit.

163 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:51:49pm

re: #156 BaseballMom57

I do too! How is it pronounced, may I ask?

Shannon, perhaps?

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:53:10pm

re: #146 bratwurst

Bureaucrats feeding children. What could possibly go wrong. Oh, wait.

165 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:53:20pm

re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth

Congrats, brother. Hope this turns out to be just what you need.

Quite concur!

By the way, looking at the pictures, how did this meme start the the Teabaggers are overwhelmingly white, middle-aged or older, angry, and not the sharpest knives in the drawer?

I guess I just don't see it.

(heh heh heh)

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:54:36pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

Bureaucrats feeding children. What could possibly go wrong. Oh, wait.

As long as they still have games like "dodge ball" to get exercise..Wait...
/

167 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:54:36pm

re: #156 BaseballMom57

I think it's "Shin-In."

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:54:50pm

re: #165 austin_blue

Quite concur!

By the way, looking at the pictures, how did this meme start the the Teabaggers are overwhelmingly white, middle-aged or older, angry, and not the sharpest knives in the drawer?

I guess I just don't see it.

(heh heh heh)

Broad-brush stereotyping.

/

169 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:55:07pm

I always liked this name: Siobhan, pronounced - Shivaun


Siobhán (Irish pronunciation: [ˈʃɪwaːn̪ˠ] or [ʃəˈvˠaːn̪ˠ]; English pronunciation: /ʃəˈvɔːn/ shə-vawn), is a female Irish given name. It is ultimately derived from Hebrew words which meant "God is gracious". Alternative spellings of Siobhán include Siavon, Siobhan, Shivon, Siobhain, Siobhann, Siobhon, Siovhan, Shivaune, Shivaun, Shavon, Sioban, Shivonne, Shvaugn, Shivaughn, Shivaughne, Shavaughn, Shavaughne, Shavaugn, Shavaugne, Shavaun, Shavaune, Sheavaughn, Shavone, Shavonne and Chevonne. Its English equivalent is Joan and it is the feminine form of Seán.

Siobhán is derived from the French name Jeanne[1], the feminine form of Jean (which is derived from the Hebrew language). It was introduced to Ireland when the Normans ruled the country. The name fell out of use when the Penal Laws outlawed the use of the Irish language. Its popularity increased in the mid twentieth century, along with many other Irish names like Áine and Aoife. The popularity of the actress Siobhán McKenna (1923-1986) also helped the resurgence of the name.

170 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:55:13pm

re: #158 keloyd

Agreed, mostly. It's only some aspects of Jamie Oliver's effort that bug me, and I learned a whole lot about eating healthy and cheap in grad school and a fairly lengthy span of intermittent employment. Give me $6 and I can eat for 2 days, with fresh veggies and fruit at every meal, meat at least once a day, and usually some main course on the theme of a big pile of rice with some chunks on top. The Chinese/Vietnamese/Mexican grocery stores have more fun meat sections anyway.

I am just very sensitive to the idea that some would dismiss Mrs. Obama's message because of distaste for the messenger. Considering the outrage we have seen over arugula and dijon mustard in the first family's kitchen, my concern is far from unfounded.

171 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:55:49pm

re: #163 reine.de.tout

That's what it actually is...Irish pronunciation is "Shin-In" (as far as I can tell).

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:56:23pm

re: #147 The Sanity Inspector

Fair Criticism

173 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:56:26pm

re: #133 reine.de.tout

I just went back and looked for the comment.
Gegenkritik has lost his mind.
In my most humble opinion.

Gegenkritik is a flat out jerk. IMHO.

174 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:56:42pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

It's rainy and cold and miserable outside here. Little girls are getting their Easter bonnets rained on.

I'm stayin' indoors and eating borscht.

Which reminds me :)

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:57:20pm

re: #165 austin_blue

Quite concur!

By the way, looking at the pictures, how did this meme start the the Teabaggers are overwhelmingly white, middle-aged or older, angry, and not the sharpest knives in the drawer?

I guess I just don't see it.

(heh heh heh)

D'oh!!
///

176 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:58:17pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon


Getting out of retail is like the Heavens opening up, showering mana.

Best of luck! A new challenge is fun.

177 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:58:39pm

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think you just outed Austin as a Teahadi.

178 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 12:59:16pm

re: #167 Sionainn

Cool.
Since I am Irish and still have extended family in Co. Cork, I have been seriously eyeing Rosetta Stone for quite some time. They actually offer Irish. It's very hard, but I would love to learn. I have several CDs by the group Altan and they sing in Irish most of the time. It's a beautiful sounding language, and I would love to use it when I go there (someday).

179 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:01:15pm

re: #177 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you just outed Austin as a Teahadi.

I'll get the torch! All we need is a stake...
/

180 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:01:17pm

re: #178 BaseballMom57

I babysat for a family who spoke Irish with the live in grandpa. Totally incomprehensible to me, but beautiful!

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:02:17pm

re: #176 prairiefire

Getting out of retail is like the Heavens opening up, showering mana.

Best of luck! A new challenge is fun.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm fairly nervous. I've been talking about such a move for years to friends and in job interviews. Now I've got the position and have to produce. Still, unlike Glenn Beck, I understand the importance of producing results instead of just being a poser.

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:02:59pm

NatGeo has a show on about people who repo cars. BFD.
[Link: irggroup.com...]

183 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:03:00pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

I'll get the torch! All we need is a stake...
/

This Picante Sauce was made in New York City!

NEW YORK CITY?!?

Get a rope.

184 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:03:04pm

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

D'oh!!
///

Gah!!

Eye halve a spelling checker, it sitz on my pea sea, and it corrects miss stakes four me, miss steaks eye can knot sea...

185 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:03:36pm

One more Irish name I love:

Aisling - pronounced, as best as I can find, ASH leeng or ESH leeng

Gaelic word for 'dream, vision'. It is also a type of poem where Ireland is portrayed as a beautiful girl in peril.

186 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:03:42pm

re: #178 BaseballMom57

If you do get Rosetta Stone, let me know how that works for you. I've been interested in getting the Spanish one.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:03:51pm

re: #184 austin_blue

Gah!!

Eye halve a spelling checker, it sitz on my pea sea, and it corrects miss stakes four me, miss steaks eye can knot sea...

You got steak?
/

188 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:04:24pm

re: #127 bratwurst

I would not argue that $6 is too much to pay for a child's school lunch, but lets not get confused about the fact there's a serious problem leading to a public health crisis that threatens to make the impact of smoking related illnesses look like a pink eye outbreak.

I will go further, since I haven't had lunch yet. IIRC, when little keloyd was eating school lunches every day, it was largely prefabricated stuff, like pizza. 1000 calories of healthy food* can be cheaper than 1000 calories of pizza. If the lunch ladies had orders, and if the system had the will, to make healthy food, I do not see money as an issue. Working class parents with 4 kids can't spend $24/day on lunch, and it's not needed to make healthy food.

Another related point - kids 30 years ago ate garbage at lunch and were thin. Today kids eat garbage at lunch and are fat. Food is only partly the scapegoat. Causality is not as it seems. In 10 years, we don't want kids eating JAmie Oliver's lunch and still being fat.

*This is super healthy and not labor intensive - whole grain bread, brown rice, potatoes (real ones, baked or boiled, not the 'tots'), in season oranges, apples, celery, carrots, other fruits occasionally, a little meat, beans, peanut butter - lots of good combinations, some less than 50 cents/meal.

189 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:04:55pm

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

You got steak?
/

All ways!

190 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:04:58pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

I just know you for a short time, via posts on a blog. If nothing is different (i.e. you are a nutcase who fakes it well//) you are a very intelligent thoughtful person. Success comes to those like yourself!

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:05:09pm

re: #186 Sionainn

If you do get Rosetta Stone, let me know how that works for you. I've been interested in getting the Spanish one.

I want to say someone here used it to learn Chinese. But I know it is expensive.

192 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:05:27pm

BBT.
:)

193 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:05:27pm

re: #184 austin_blue

Gah!!

Eye halve a spelling checker, it sitz on my pea sea, and it corrects miss stakes four me, miss steaks eye can knot sea...

You like Miss Steaks? Every now and again I have a threesome with Miss Steaks and Miss Baked Tater!

194 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:06:16pm

re: #183 SteveC

This Picante Sauce was made in New York City!

NEW YORK CITY?!?

Get a rope.

[New Yorker breaks a beer bottle over cowboy's head]

YOUSE GOTTA PROBLEM WITH NEW YORK?!

/just kidding

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:06:20pm

re: #193 SteveC

You like Miss Steaks? Every now and again I have a threesome with Miss Steaks and Miss Baked Tater!

Throw in Miss Lobster covered in butter!!

196 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:07:23pm

Oops. Gotta short meeting. BBIAB.

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:07:49pm

My house, right now, smells like BBQ heaven. :)

198 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:08:29pm

I've got to go see the family. BBL

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:08:48pm

brb

200 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:08:51pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea

I don't think he's any crazier than the rest of us!

201 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:09:34pm

re: #186 Sionainn

Won't be anytime soon - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the price! Perhaps Ebay or Craigslist would be a better way to go.

@ Reine - I agree on those names - I also love Sinead. (As in Sinead O'Connor.) My eldest son's name is James, and my Dad always called him Seamus, which he told me was its Irish equivalent.

202 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:09:36pm

re: #188 keloyd

I already agreed that $6 is not reasonable for a child's school lunch. All Mrs. Obama and Jamie Oliver are trying to do is give kids and their parents the same type of education about food you obviously have. I am still struggling to determine what you find pretentious here...except perhaps Oliver himself, something I am not here to argue about. Again, let's not shoot the messenger when the message is so vital.

203 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:09:39pm

re: #200 prairiefire

Exactly!

Well, Gergenkrick (or however you spell it) is on a different list for moi.

204 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:09:53pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Throw in Miss Lobster covered in butter!!

Kinky! Steve like!

205 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:10:13pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

I really liked the name Roisin for a girl (ro-sheen), but my husband didn't like that. We did agree, though, had we had a boy, he would have been named Eamonn.

206 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:11:04pm

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want to say someone here used it to learn Chinese. But I know it is expensive.

That's why I wanted someone's opinion on whether it was worth the money.

207 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:11:17pm

Proof that Google hates Christians, cowers before PC Police.

Proof!

208 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:11:57pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

True dat.

209 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:13:35pm

re: #202 bratwurst

I think we agree then. I just used a whole lot of words to say that. Oh, and Jamie Oliver sort of bugs me. :P

210 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:14:14pm

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want to say someone here used it to learn Chinese. But I know it is expensive.

naw that was Michael Phelps, the swimmer, claiming in TV ads he used it to learn Chinese before the Olympics.

211 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:15:33pm

re: #210 reine.de.tout

naw that was Michael Phelps, the swimmer, claiming in TV ads he used it to learn Chinese before the Olympics.

I'm sure he can afford it.

212 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:15:54pm

BBL.

213 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:16:10pm

re: #202 bratwurst

I am still struggling to determine what you find pretentious here...except perhaps Oliver himself, something I am not here to argue about. Again, let's not shoot the messenger when the message is so vital.

I agree, but when the messenger comes blowing into town with a camera crew in tow and starts shouting "You are doing it wrong!" it is not human nature to listen, but rather to wonder just who in the hell this SOB thinks he is.

There's not going to be much listening in that situation.

214 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:18:37pm

re: #209 keloyd

I think we agree then. I just used a whole lot of words to say that. Oh, and Jamie Oliver sort of bugs me. :P

And I certainly did not eat health food in school 30 years ago...BUT the portions were smaller, there were no HFCS drinks available (I love how it took a threat of new taxes to get the beverage industry to get their empty calories out of schools) and we played outside all summer long.

215 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:18:45pm

re: #207 Slumbering Behemoth

and nothing for Easter either? Not even a Google-bunny. I am a little disappointed. There is a small, valid point under the Fox News wargarbl this time. If Hans Christian Anderson gets his Google logo, gimme an Easter bunny.

216 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:18:46pm

Vegetable
[Link: www.hulu.com...]

217 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:22:11pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Exactly what I was referring to, thanks. I don't disagree with SteveC's point above, but anyone who can't see what we are up against here is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

218 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:22:22pm

The weather here is still miserable cold and windy. I tried to do some yard work but it was too damn cold. I just located my wool cap, might give it a try again once I warm up.

219 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:22:24pm

re: #205 Sionainn

I watched the movie Michael Collins for the first time a few weeks ago, and I noticed the name Eamon (Eamon de Valera, Irish name Éamonn de Bhailéara), the 3rd Pres of Ireland. His wife's name was Sinéad.

I am now making a list of possible name suggestions for my future grandchildren. :-)

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:23:25pm

re: #215 keloyd

and nothing for Easter either? Not even a Google-bunny. I am a little disappointed. There is a small, valid point under the Fox News wargarbl this time. If Hans Christian Anderson gets his Google logo, gimme an Easter bunny.

Now that's funny. A pagan symbol of fertility, on a day that once was a pagan holiday, to satisfy some sense of Christian tradition. This planet is a hoot!

221 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:25:20pm

re: #217 bratwurst

Jamie's done this same show before in the UK and received the same reaction over there. People were yelling at him, parent were smuggling in junkfood through the school fences. One little kid even barfed all over the table the first time he ate fresh food. People have a very strong attachment when it comes to food, even if they're attached to crappy food they are still passionate about it.

222 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:26:56pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

From another episode;


You have to have two breads!
And the pizza? How can you say that has two breads? By the amount?
By the amount.
So pizza has two breads?
That's right.

Yeah. Big mystery why fat is a problem here.

223 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:27:31pm

"You got any French Fried Potaters?"

224 keloyd  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:29:14pm

Oooh that's a depressing Jamie Oliver Hulu clip. I had forgotten what a little angry bullying napoleon a school administrator could be. In the political game of school lunch, he brought a white embroidered hanky to a gunfight.

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Now that's funny. A pagan symbol of fertility, on a day that once was a pagan holiday, to satisfy some sense of Christian tradition. This planet is a hoot!

I'm all about the compromise. The angry Christians want Jesus. The atheists want nothin. I say split the baby and give us a religious metaphor that is halfway between. The Easter bunny makes everyone happy!

225 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:29:52pm

re: #223 SteveC

They ARE good with mustard.

226 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:30:38pm

re: #113 Varek Raith

Cool. Retail sucks.

All non-Zionists have to pay retail.

227 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:32:30pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Now that's funny. A pagan symbol of fertility, on a day that once was a pagan holiday, to satisfy some sense of Christian tradition. This planet is a hoot!

How can we take you seriously without knowing how many planets you've visited and observed to form your base and positioning of "hootyness"?
I mean really!/

228 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:33:29pm

re: #224 keloyd

I'm all about the compromise. The angry Christians want Jesus. The atheists want nothin. I say split the baby and give us a religious metaphor that is halfway between. The Easter bunny makes everyone happy!

I think it's the anti-theists who want nothing. If they were truly "atheist", they wouldn't give a fig one way or the other what kind of picture google puts up on easter.

Reading about the pagan fertility rituals that originally started this holiday, I say keep your bunnies and your eggs, I want the orgies and the wine.

229 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:33:50pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Jamie's done this same show before in the UK and received the same reaction over there. People were yelling at him, parent were smuggling in junkfood through the school fences. One little kid even barfed all over the table the first time he ate fresh food. People have a very strong attachment when it comes to food, even if they're attached to crappy food they are still passionate about it.

Tell me about it. I had to learn a whole new way of thinking when my put me on a low sodium diet. Add to the that the fact that I was (and still am, somewhat) a Junk Food Junkie, and those first few months were seven types of hell.

230 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:34:08pm

re: #224 keloyd

Bunny on a cross, wearing a garland of flowers in the shape of the Star of David.

equal opportunity offender

231 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:34:55pm

re: #227 reloadingisnotahobby

Can I suggest a book that really helped me to deal with the parents & Uncle slipping into ALZ? It's called "The 36 hour day", and I've read it at least 20 times in the past 8 years.

232 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:35:37pm

re: #229 SteveC

Salt is really hard to give up! Good for you.

233 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:35:47pm

re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth


Ok. Thats a DRUNKEN bunny on a cross.....

234 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:36:09pm
235 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:36:54pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Now that's funny. A pagan symbol of fertility, on a day that once was a pagan holiday, to satisfy some sense of Christian tradition. This planet is a hoot!

Pagan holiday? Easter's tied to Passover. I wasn't aware there was any other connection.

Of course, I've never belonged to the Hare Club For Men, either.

236 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:38:20pm

I finally collapsed on my feet. My daughters-in-law keep asking if there is anything they can do to help, so I put them to work making the chicken and the potato kugel.

My daughter made a quart of homemade mayonnaise and went shopping for fresh veggies, and now she's on her laptop (which I spent all last Thursday disinfecting from the "Control Panel" and "Conflicker" virus)

237 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:38:31pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

I agree. My comfort food is mashed potatoes, topped with fresh cut corn off the cob, plus butter. It makes me feel all warm and comfy.

But I could add a salad if it would make Jamie happy.

/re: #229 SteveC

My husband never adapted to the low-sodium thing. He tried so very hard. But it depressed him to no end. Unfortunately, he had several other medical issues and he passed away in March 2009.

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:39:22pm

re: #233 swamprat

I appreciate the inclusion, but I honestly could not care less if anyone showed deference or not to my religion.

Beer, Pizza, Porn. The Trinity.

239 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:39:32pm

re: #224 keloyd

The Easter bunny makes everyone happy!

As a Jewish kid growing up in Christian neighborhoods, my parents realized that if I didn't participate in Christian festivities (namely the holiday choir, caroling and Easter egg hunts) I would be ostracized or humiliated.

But mother always told me I wasn't to tell the other children that Santa and the Easter Bunny didn't exist. It was their holiday and I was to respect it.

I didn't have a problem not believing in Santa since we had Hanukkah, but the Easter Bunny was a problem. Every year I'd ask my mother, "Are you SURE we don't believe in the Easter Bunny?" (It was the chocolate and the jelly beans that got my attention.)

240 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:39:51pm

re: #235 SixDegrees

Pagan holiday? Easter's tied to Passover. I wasn't aware there was any other connection.

Of course, I've never belonged to the Hare Club For Men, either.

But where did the bunnies come from? The egg we put on the seder plate, but we don't color it pretty colors.

241 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:41:05pm

re: #239 marjoriemoon

Cute story. And you obviously had a good Mom.

242 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:41:54pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Jamie's done this same show before in the UK and received the same reaction over there. People were yelling at him, parent were smuggling in junkfood through the school fences. One little kid even barfed all over the table the first time he ate fresh food. People have a very strong attachment when it comes to food, even if they're attached to crappy food they are still passionate about it.

Also: no one likes a zealot. The town he harangued here in the US was exasperated, not because of his exhortation, but because they were already doing everything he claimed they weren't, and they weren't given any credit for it.

Good ideas. Bad implementation.

243 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:41:55pm

re: #239 marjoriemoon

As a Jewish kid growing up in Christian neighborhoods, my parents realized that if I didn't participate in Christian festivities (namely the holiday choir, caroling and Easter egg hunts) I would be ostracized or humiliated.

But mother always told me I wasn't to tell the other children that Santa and the Easter Bunny didn't exist. It was their holiday and I was to respect it.

I didn't have a problem not believing in Santa since we had Hanukkah, but the Easter Bunny was a problem. Every year I'd ask my mother, "Are you SURE we don't believe in the Easter Bunny?" (It was the chocolate and the jelly beans that got my attention.)

I never told my kids about Santa, I let them learn in the "back alley." They saw our neighbors had nativity scenes and Santa decorations, and they reasoned that Santa is baby Jesus grown up.

244 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:42:07pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

I never regretted leaving retail. Good luck!

245 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:43:01pm

re: #232 Floral Giraffe

Salt is really hard to give up! Good for you.

If anyone is trying to keep their salt consumption down, you might want to try these spices: Benson's Gourmet Seasonings

No salt, no sugar, no MSG, no Potassium Chloride. Reasonable prices. And I don't work for these people and don't make a cent if you decide to buy something.

Their Salt Substitute (they call it Table Tasty) seems to me to be a little stronger than salt, so apply lightly until you figure out who much you want/need.

They claim their chili seasoning (Bravado) tastes like a Doritos chip. Not quite, in my opinion, but pretty close!

246 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:44:04pm

re: #240 Alouette

But where did the bunnies come from? The egg we put on the seder plate, but we don't color it pretty colors.

The South Park episode is an excellent documentary on the origins of Easter.

Seriously, though, you raise an interesting question. I'll have to look into it when I have more time.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:44:15pm

re: #235 SixDegrees

Well, here's one example.

A lot of Christian holidays were set to coincide with/squash the holidays of other religions. The pagan holidays went the way of the dodo, but big props go to the Jewish people for sticking to their guns and keeping their holidays.

248 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:44:36pm
249 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:44:39pm

re: #237 BaseballMom57


/re: #229 SteveC

My husband never adapted to the low-sodium thing. He tried so very hard. But it depressed him to no end. Unfortunately, he had several other medical issues and he passed away in March 2009.

I am so sorry - all my best.

250 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:46:47pm

re: #245 SteveC

I find that lemon juice makes a damn fine salt substitute. Work well on meat, fish, chicken, veg, even french fries.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:47:18pm

re: #240 Alouette

But where did the bunnies come from? The egg we put on the seder plate, but we don't color it pretty colors.

Rabbits are a traditional European fertility symbol, and are associated with Eostre/Ostara etc., the spring/fertility etc. goddess.

Guess who we named the holiday after in English?

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:47:32pm

Mom's neighbor comes over:
"Can you help me carry my new safe in my house?"

Comes back over:
"Can you help me load my new safe into my car? Doesn't work?"

I go over, open the safe. Teach him to open the safe. Then he says:
"Can you load some software onto my 2 computers?"

Day off my ass.:)

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:48:37pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

I know, but I'm not telling.

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:49:13pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I find that lemon juice makes a damn fine salt substitute. Work well on meat, fish, chicken, veg, even french fries.

Also, Ms. Dash. IIRC, they have low or no sodium spices.

255 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:49:16pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I find that lemon juice makes a damn fine salt substitute. Work well on meat, fish, chicken, veg, even french fries.

I've heard a lot of people say that, but it never really appealed to me. But if it makes the meal for you, by all means, enjoy!

256 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:49:46pm

re: #109 Sionainn

By the way, "hi" to everyone.

Crap! They've let the Irish in. Is no one watching the door?

(Forget it, I'm just an omadhaun.)

257 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:49:56pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Rabbits are a traditional European fertility symbol, and are associated with Eostre/Ostara etc., the spring/fertility etc. goddess.

Guess who we named the holiday after in English?

Queen Esther?

258 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:50:48pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, here's one example.

A lot of Christian holidays were set to coincide with/squash the holidays of other religions. The pagan holidays went the way of the dodo, but big props go to the Jewish people for sticking to their guns and keeping their holidays.

Interesting, although the connection with Passover is undisputed. It does explain (maybe) where the name came from, although the history there seems a little thin. But I don't think there was any attempt to piggyback on such events; Passover's been a given for thousands of years.

I'm aware of the connection of Christmas with a number of earlier holidays, all ultimately tied to the winter solstice. Here, the appropriation of an existing holiday is pretty blunt, as there's no dating of any sort attached to Jesus' birth. In fact, a large number of admonitions against the celebration of Christmas have been issued by Christian authorities of many stripes over the last several centuries.

259 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:50:52pm

Where we gonna put all this stuff?

HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- You've heard the saying, "Haste makes waste". That may be the case in Cabell County Schools as hundreds of boxes of processed food sit piling up -- untouched and uneaten.

It's the dark side of the new Jamie Oliver fresh food program.

"This is our warehouse. Some things that are in dry storage are fruit cups, processed canned vegetables," Cabell County Food Services Coordinator Rhonda McCoy said.

A lot of food is piling up at the Cabell County Schools food warehouse for one reason.

"It's not fresh," McCoy said .

Wonder if they will sell us the Fruit cup?

260 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:51:01pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

Thankyou!!

261 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can you come paint my house....can you come landscape my front yard.....can you..../

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:53:03pm

re: #257 Alouette

Queen Esther?

LOL!

263 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:53:16pm

re: #258 SixDegrees

Honest question here, what is the connection between Passover and the resurrection of Jesus?

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:54:44pm

re: #261 prairiefire

Can you come paint my house...can you come landscape my front yard...can you.../

Are you making fun of me because my lawn tractor was stolen 5 weeks ago?
///

265 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:54:52pm

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mrs. Dash is awesome. It comes in several different "flavors" now.

266 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:55:23pm

re: #259 SteveC

Where we gonna put all this stuff?

Wonder if they will sell us the Fruit cup?

How the fuck is anyone supposed to eat fresh food, especially fruits and vegetables, in the northern tier of the country? Yes, it's possible to do so in Britain's bizarre climate, but not here, anywhere north of roughly the Carolinas.

How about shifting the emphasis to food that's been minimally processed? All the benefits of eating fresh food, without the repugnant, parochial silliness Oliver sprays all over his meals.

267 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:55:39pm

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Honest question here, what is the connection between Passover and the resurrection of Jesus?

Salvation.

268 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:55:52pm

re: #243 Alouette

I never told my kids about Santa, I let them learn in the "back alley." They saw our neighbors had nativity scenes and Santa decorations, and they reasoned that Santa is baby Jesus grown up.

I don't want to think of what they learned in "sex ed".

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:56:14pm

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Honest question here, what is the connection between Passover and the resurrection of Jesus?

Didn't Jesus die and spend a little time in Hell before rising? Serious.

270 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:56:32pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

I don't want to think of what they learned in "sex ed".

They learned enough to give me 25 grandbabies!

271 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:57:03pm

re: #270 Alouette

ROFL!!

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:57:04pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

Hmm, so more of a similarity of theme than a inter-religious connection?

273 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:57:07pm

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Honest question here, what is the connection between Passover and the resurrection of Jesus?

The events leading to the Crucifixion and Resurrection occurred during the Passover.

274 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:57:15pm

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Honest question here, what is the connection between Passover and the resurrection of Jesus?

The celebration of Passover took place just before the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, PLUS both holidays are "moveable" feasts (annual holidays that do not fall on a fixed date but vary according to astronomical occurrences).

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:57:22pm

re: #266 SixDegrees

Canned veggie= sodium
Frozen= packed within 3 hours, no sodium.

276 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:57:43pm

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't Jesus die and spend a little time in Hell before rising? Serious.

I wonder where he was for those 3 days. I'm sure some theologians have figured it out. Anyone know?

277 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:58:21pm

re: #265 BaseballMom57

Mrs. Dash is awesome. It comes in several different "flavors" now.

The Mrs. Dash chipotle seasoning is very good. I use it on fish with lime juice (not lemon juice). Yummy.

278 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:58:21pm

re: #270 Alouette

They learned enough to give me 25 grandbabies!

Must be something in the water!

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:58:28pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

I wonder where he was for those 3 days. I'm sure some theologians have figured it out. Anyone know?

Sam Kinison has a great bit about that.

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:58:46pm

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't Jesus die and spend a little time in Hell before rising? Serious.

There are people on this thread far more knowledgeable on the subject than I. Hopefully they can answer your question.

281 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:59:10pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

I wonder where he was for those 3 days. I'm sure some theologians have figured it out. Anyone know?

Now there's a question I've never ever asked.
So no, I have no clue.

282 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:59:14pm

re: #274 reine.de.tout

The celebration of Passover took place just before the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, PLUS both holidays are "moveable" feasts (annual holidays that do not fall on a fixed date but vary according to astronomical occurrences).

Passover falls on the 14th of the month Nisan in the Hebrew calendar, which is a lunar calendar. Because the lunar year is shorter than the solar year, every several years there is a "leap month" before Nisan so that Passover should always occur in the spring.

283 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:59:34pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth

Hmm, so more of a similarity of theme than a inter-religious connection?

Yes. There are many, many such parallels between the Old and New Testaments.

284 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 1:59:39pm

re: #245 SteveC

Thanks! I just ordered it!

285 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:00:16pm

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, that's too bad. We have a 1/2 acre yard and my husband would dearly miss his rider lawn mower.

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:00:18pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sam Kinison has a great bit about that.

287 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:01:05pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

I wonder where he was for those 3 days. I'm sure some theologians have figured it out. Anyone know?

In the old Catholic catechism, he was in "Limbo", a netherworld without punishment where the Old Testament innocent were held. His visit liberated them to heaven. See "The Harrowing of Hell" in medieval art.

288 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:01:13pm

re: #282 Alouette

Passover falls on the 14th of the month Nisan in the Hebrew calendar, which is a lunar calendar. Because the lunar year is shorter than the solar year, every several years there is a "leap month" before Nisan so that Passover should always occur in the spring.

Correct, about the leap months. The Hebrew calendar is, in fact, a lunisolar calendar, and attempts to maintain synchrony between both cycles.

289 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:01:22pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

Salvation.

Salvation? How salvation.

I don't think there is any connection. The plague of killing of the first born during Passover, God passed over the houses marked with blood, is the only death really in the holiday. Other than a lot of drowned Egyptians.

The holiday, Passover, to us is about freedom, btw.

290 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:02:15pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

This site has some answers.

Here

291 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:02:52pm

re: #288 SixDegrees

Testing my memory here...the Hebrew Calendar is 360 day year.
Right?

292 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:03:24pm

Pastor's Corner: Five unknown Easter facts

Despite a maximum 39 hours dead, according to Jewish counting, He was dead three days.

The number 39 is one less than 40. Forty is a significant number in Scripture. It's a symbol of an extended period of time. Jesus didn't stay in the tomb over an extended period of time -- Jesus quickly defeated death -- He stayed dead the least amount of time possible while still fulfilling three-day death prophesy (Mark 8:31).

...... Jesus could have preached to fallen angels in prison between His death and Resurrection. I Peter 3:19 says, "through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison." This might be the most difficult Bible verse to interpret. Genesis 6:2 says, "the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." This could be referring to angels marrying women on earth, thus causing God to destroy the earth with a Flood. These disobedient angels might be the one's Jesus preached victory to.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:03:43pm

re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar

May he rest in peace. It is a travesty, a blight against humanity, that senoJ xelA stole Kinison's style.

294 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:03:45pm

re: #18 rhino2

I loved the descent series, still have them. Was considering building an old crappy computer just to be able to go back and play em (among some other classics).

DOSBox mate! Not sure if you'll have joystick support though.

295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:03:56pm

re: #289 marjoriemoon

Salvation? How salvation.

I don't think there is any connection. The plague of killing of the first born during Passover, God passed over the houses marked with blood, is the only death really in the holiday. Other than a lot of drowned Egyptians.

The holiday, Passover, to us is about freedom, btw.

They had a special about that on NatGeo. Had to do with a volcano.

296 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:04:12pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

I think only speculation provides any answer at all. I found this link, not sure how good it is.

Sorta hints he went to preach for those in hell, but very vague indeed.

""Acts 2:31 says that He went to "Hades" (New American Standard Bible), but "Hades" is not hell. The word "Hades" refers to the realm of the dead, a temporary place where they await the resurrection.""

297 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:04:31pm

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

Canned veggie= sodium
Frozen= packed within 3 hours, no sodium.

Exactly. Although it isn't hard to find canned vegetables with little or no added stuff. The canned tomatoes I often buy contain tomatoes, water and citric acid.

I prefer fresh when it makes sense. But 8 months out of the year around here, it doesn't.

298 SteveC  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:05:14pm

BBL! Lizard Conversation of the day has made me ungry! (So hungry I ate the h!)

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:06:15pm

Ribs on a 500 degree grill for 10 minutes.
In 265 degree oven on top of beans in a Dutch Oven with Italian sausage for 3 hours.
Falling off the bone. Heh.

300 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:06:16pm

re: #290 BaseballMom57

I'd never heard of that before. Interesting.

301 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:06:17pm

re: #289 marjoriemoon

Salvation? How salvation.

I don't think there is any connection. The plague of killing of the first born during Passover, God passed over the houses marked with blood, is the only death really in the holiday. Other than a lot of drowned Egyptians.

The holiday, Passover, to us is about freedom, btw.

God passed over the faithful. The New Testament makes the same promise, although the terms are different.

I'm surprised you're not aware of this. The connection between Easter and Passover is blunt and obvious.

302 SixDegrees  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:06:39pm

Gotta run. Time for rack of lamb.

303 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:07:26pm

I'm off to visit the in laws, BBL

Happy Easter to all our Christian friends from both of us, myself and Dragon_Lady.

304 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:08:57pm

I've been to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Israel. It was absolutely the most beautiful church I had ever seen. Candles everywhere, the gold, the walls done in stained glass, was just amazing. I know we can all comment on that, but truly it was spectacular.

The monks(?) and nuns were very kind to us. We got to visit the tomb, or I suppose the place where Jesus was said to have risen. It was a little coffin actually, tiny, maybe 5' long and this very, very old man was standing in front of it. He had a beard down past his chest and a smile from ear to ear as we all peeked into the little room. It was a wonderful visit.

No matter what your religion or even if you just dig history, Israel is an awesome place to visit. (shameless plug)

305 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:09:32pm

Would loved to have had Lamb today,but here in Utah I TRIED
to eat Mouton from a dutch oven...Soured me on Lamb for life!

306 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:09:45pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I've never heard/read it explained that way either, to tell you the truth.

307 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:10:04pm

re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar

They had a special about that on NatGeo. Had to do with a volcano.

Oh, Mt. Vesuvius? The reason for the plagues? It's interesting I think.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:10:28pm

re: #274 reine.de.tout

The celebration of Passover took place just before the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, PLUS both holidays are "moveable" feasts (annual holidays that do not fall on a fixed date but vary according to astronomical occurrences).

Actually, Passover always falls on the 15th of the month--it's just a lunar month, so it looks like it's moving around if you use the solar-based calender.

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:11:24pm

re: #307 marjoriemoon

Oh, Mt. Vesuvius? The reason for the plagues? It's interesting I think.

Not Vesuvius. The name started with an S. Saltorino? Something like that.

310 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:11:26pm

re: #301 SixDegrees

God passed over the faithful. The New Testament makes the same promise, although the terms are different.

I'm surprised you're not aware of this. The connection between Easter and Passover is blunt and obvious.

I don't know much about Christianity actually. I guess salvation isn't a big Jewish thing (already being "saved" as it were).

311 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:11:50pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm fairly nervous. I've been talking about such a move for years to friends and in job interviews. Now I've got the position and have to produce. Still, unlike Glenn Beck, I understand the importance of producing results instead of just being a poser.

From what I can see, you're quick witted and bright. You'll do well.

It would, however, be better if you agreed with me more. ;)

312 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:11:51pm

re: #289 marjoriemoon

As a Christian, we are free from death through the resurrection of Christ. So that's another connection. And like Six said, because Christ was marked for death, we are passed over for death.

313 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:13:21pm

re: #310 marjoriemoon

I don't know much about Christianity actually.

I was raised Christian, and apparently I don't know all that much about it either.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:13:47pm

FOOD!! BBL!!

315 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:13:57pm

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not Vesuvius. The name started with an S. Saltorino? Something like that.

Santorini, probably. It's on a Greek island, and is thought to have destroyed the Minoan civilization on Crete when it blew. The Island is Akrotiri, featured in the soft-porn "Summer Lovers".

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:14:17pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

Now there's a question I've never ever asked.
So no, I have no clue.

Here's the catechism on it.

317 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:16:20pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, Passover always falls on the 15th of the month--it's just a lunar month, so it looks like it's moving around if you use the solar-based calender.

thanks.

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:16:24pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

In the old Catholic catechism, he was in "Limbo", a netherworld without punishment where the Old Testament innocent were held. His visit liberated them to heaven. See "The Harrowing of Hell" in medieval art.

So, all of these terrible sinners began to show up in heaven, and Jesus decided to have a little word with Satan about it. So, he descended to hell, and knocked on the door, and said, "I'd like to have word with you about how you're running this place! People that should be damned are getting let out, and showing up in heaven! What kind of an eternal torment are you running here?"

And Satan said, "JC, don't blame it on me. I throw them into hell, but your mother keeps pulling them out."

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:16:53pm

re: #288 SixDegrees

Correct, about the leap months. The Hebrew calendar is, in fact, a lunisolar calendar, and attempts to maintain synchrony between both cycles.

The Muslim calender, on the other hand, is strictly lunar, and everything rolls slowly back through the solar year.

320 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:17:26pm

re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist

So, all of these terrible sinners began to show up in heaven, and Jesus decided to have a little word with Satan about it. So, he descended to hell, and knocked on the door, and said, "I'd like to have word with you about how you're running this place! People that should be damned are getting let out, and showing up in heaven! What kind of an eternal torment are you running here?"

And Satan said, "JC, don't blame it on me. I throw them into hell, but your mother keeps pulling them out."

Great ancient nun joke.

321 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:17:27pm

re: #304 marjoriemoon

I've been to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Israel. It was absolutely the most beautiful church I had ever seen. Candles everywhere, the gold, the walls done in stained glass, was just amazing. I know we can all comment on that, but truly it was spectacular.

The monks(?) and nuns were very kind to us. We got to visit the tomb, or I suppose the place where Jesus was said to have risen. It was a little coffin actually, tiny, maybe 5' long and this very, very old man was standing in front of it. He had a beard down past his chest and a smile from ear to ear as we all peeked into the little room. It was a wonderful visit.

No matter what your religion or even if you just dig history, Israel is an awesome place to visit. (shameless plug)

It is a marvelous structure. Constantine ordered the temple to Aphrodite to be destroyed and by legend, Helena, his mother supervised the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre along with numerous other sites which she went around and identified as holy sites related to Jesus.

Many of the holy sites in Jerusalem have no basis in historical fact, but they still serve as a memorial to the persons and places mentioned in the Greek scriptures, and certainly serve as a reminder of the ancient beginnings of Christianity.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:18:07pm

re: #296 Rightwingconspirator

I think only speculation provides any answer at all. I found this link, not sure how good it is.

Sorta hints he went to preach for those in hell, but very vague indeed.

""Acts 2:31 says that He went to "Hades" (New American Standard Bible), but "Hades" is not hell. The word "Hades" refers to the realm of the dead, a temporary place where they await the resurrection.""

The Hebrew word is 'Sheol', which has a similar connotation, a sort of place somewhere where the spirits of the dead go.

323 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:18:25pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Rabbits are a traditional European fertility symbol, and are associated with Eostre/Ostara etc., the spring/fertility etc. goddess.

Guess who we named the holiday after in English?

Did I miss the answer?

324 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:18:31pm

re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist

Here's the catechism on it.

And thanks again.

I'm sure we were taught that at some time.

325 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:18:40pm

re: #237 BaseballMom57

I agree. My comfort food is mashed potatoes, topped with fresh cut corn off the cob, plus butter. It makes me feel all warm and comfy.

But I could add a salad if it would make Jamie happy.

/re: #229 SteveC

My husband never adapted to the low-sodium thing. He tried so very hard. But it depressed him to no end. Unfortunately, he had several other medical issues and he passed away in March 2009.

My condolences.

Each of us makes the choice between longevity and quality of life at some point. Personally I can't see living til 90 if I can't enjoy my life.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:20:05pm

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not Vesuvius. The name started with an S. Saltorino? Something like that.

Santorini?

(Randomly guessing, too lazy to Google right now.)

327 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:20:12pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mom's neighbor comes over:
"Can you help me carry my new safe in my house?"

Comes back over:
"Can you help me load my new safe into my car? Doesn't work?"

I go over, open the safe. Teach him to open the safe. Then he says:
"Can you load some software onto my 2 computers?"

Day off my ass.:)

LOL.

Been there, done that, hated it.

328 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:22:27pm

re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist

Here's the catechism on it.

re: #324 reine.de.tout

And thanks again.

I'm sure we were taught that at some time.

Actually, that's part of the Apostle's creed, which I must have said a million times in my lifetime, usually without even thinking about it.

329 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:22:40pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

It is a marvelous structure. Constantine ordered the temple to Aphrodite to be destroyed and by legend, Helena, his mother supervised the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre along with numerous other sites which she went around and identified as holy sites related to Jesus.

Many of the holy sites in Jerusalem have no basis in historical fact, but they still serve as a memorial to the persons and places mentioned in the Greek scriptures, and certainly serve as a reminder of the ancient beginnings of Christianity.

Only the Catholics, Orthodox, and some Protestants consider the Holly Sepulchre to be "The Place". There is another location across town which some Protestants assign as "the Place of the Skull". That hillside has a strong image of a skull, caused by the arrangement of some caves. The idea seems to have started with General "Chinese" Gordon in the 1800s.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:24:08pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

Did I miss the answer?

Oh...sorry, it was meant to be a throwaway line. "Easter" is, at least according to the Venerable Bede, derived from the name of the English goddess Eostre, whose holiday was also celebrated in the spring.

331 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:24:37pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

It is a marvelous structure. Constantine ordered the temple to Aphrodite to be destroyed and by legend, Helena, his mother supervised the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre along with numerous other sites which she went around and identified as holy sites related to Jesus.

Many of the holy sites in Jerusalem have no basis in historical fact, but they still serve as a memorial to the persons and places mentioned in the Greek scriptures, and certainly serve as a reminder of the ancient beginnings of Christianity.

Thanks, Walter. I didn't know that!

Well there is the Temple which is historically accurate. The Western Wall, as you know, is part of what remains of Solomon's Temple.

332 lostlakehiker  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:24:51pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just realizing anew how essential it is to teach children what an apostrophe is for, BEFORE they hit the streets with incomprehensible protest signs.

It's hard to use "it's" correctly, because it's apostrophized differently than its cousins. It's true, "it's" is not the possessive, but the contraction. It's not a hard rule to remember once you have its basic idea.

There's another rule for when people should use their head and when they're safe using their gut feeling, but I can never write it our right.

333 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:24:53pm

re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist

The Hebrew word is 'Sheol', which has a similar connotation, a sort of place somewhere where the spirits of the dead go.

As you aptly point out, and Rightwingconspirator mentions, traditionally, hell, Sheol, hades were designations for the grave, the place of the dead. It was not a place of suffering, or torment, or fire, or any conscience beings... if there was any "agony" it was the concept of being separated from the living.

It was primarily the Platonic influence into later Judaism and early Christianity that molded the concept into a place where there were souls that were aware of their surrounding and in some sort of torment.

334 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:25:00pm

re: #324 reine.de.tout

And thanks again.

I'm sure we were taught that at some time.

I think recent Catholic doctrine has screwed up the "Limbo" concept, causing a couple awkward theological problems, such as the fate of unbaptized babies.

335 Racer X  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:25:41pm

Howz everybunny?

Hoppy?

336 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:25:53pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Santorini?

(Randomly guessing, too lazy to Google right now.)

Too slow, and I've already tied it to a dirty movie.

337 rhino2  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:26:02pm

re: #294 Mentis Fugit

DOSBox mate! Not sure if you'll have joystick support though.

Thanks!

338 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:26:26pm

re: #330 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh...sorry, it was meant to be a throwaway line. "Easter" is, at least according to the Venerable Bede, derived from the name of the English goddess Eostre, whose holiday was also celebrated in the spring.

The goddess has many names, in many cultures.
One of them calls her "Mary".

339 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:26:52pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Santorini?

(Randomly guessing, too lazy to Google right now.)

The Greek island is Santorini if I recall. But I thought the mountain is Vesuvius. I could google, but I'm lazy lol

340 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:27:20pm

re: #334 Decatur Deb

I think recent Catholic doctrine has screwed up the "Limbo" concept, causing a couple awkward theological problems, such as the fate of unbaptized babies.

Which is actually responsible for at least part of the growth of Islam in the developing world, Africa especially. Parents are guaranteed that their deceased children reached paradise. Can't say that that argument wouldn't sway me to be honest.

341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:29:37pm

re: #335 Racer X

Happy Easter!

342 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:30:06pm

re: #331 marjoriemoon

Thanks, Walter. I didn't know that!

Well there is the Temple which is historically accurate. The Western Wall, as you know, is part of what remains of Solomon's Temple.

Well yes, the Temple is certainly the actual historic location of the first and second temple, and remained as that until the destruction of the second temple between 66-70 C.E.

At Passover this year, I passed around a small Jewish coin, called a prutah (the widows mite of the King James version of the scriptures) which was minted my the Jews during the revolt. This coin is a second year coin (they dated the coins from the beginning of the revolt, 66 C.E. so this coin was minted in 67 C.E) and you will see it mentions "The Freedom of Zion" which was the "battle" cry so to speak.

That's why I passed the coin around, since the true meaning of Passover (and the Christian Easter celebration) is freedom. In Israel's case, the freedom from Egypt, in the case of Christians the freedom from death, an everlasting life.

343 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:30:31pm

re: #325 b_sharp

Thank you.

And that's pretty much the way my husband thought of it, but he tried his best because our boys were still at home.

344 Racer X  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:32:06pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

Happy Easter!

Happy Easter to you!

345 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:34:42pm

re: #332 lostlakehiker

I stumbled upon this site one day, and kept it. I've shared it with a few spelling-challenged people.

10 Words You Need to Stop Misspelling

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:39:35pm

re: #345 BaseballMom57

I stumbled upon this site one day, and kept it. I've shared it with a few spelling-challenged people.

10 Words You Need to Stop Misspelling

That's wonderful. I wish it were just slightly cleaner, so I could print it out for my students.

I wonder if they'd mind me doing a PG version?

348 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:41:36pm

re: #346 Racer X

So the Brits found The Fortress of Solitude, big whoop.
/actually, that is pretty damned amazing

349 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:44:36pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds like a good idea. You might try asking them - there is a "Contact" button at the very bottom.

350 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:46:17pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

So the Brits found The Fortress of Solitude, big whoop.
/actually, that is pretty damned amazing


hehe Quite pretty, but how do we know it wasn't done in a Hollywood studio by Tim Burton?

Speaking of which, anyone see Alice in Wonderland? Disappointment doesn't even begin to describe...

351 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:49:53pm

re: #334 Decatur Deb

I think recent Catholic doctrine has screwed up the "Limbo" concept, causing a couple awkward theological problems, such as the fate of unbaptized babies.

Yes, indeed it has.
I was going to say something earlier but decided to let it pass, it's just too confusing.

I know when I was a baby, my grandmother was horrified that my mother wanted to wait until she could attend the Baptism before having me baptized.

Whereas these days - my daughter was 3 or 4 months old before we had her baptized. I was advised that these days, intent of the parent to baptize the baby is sufficient for the baby's salvation, even if the actual baptism has not yet taken place.

352 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:49:56pm

re: #350 marjoriemoon

Haven't seen it, but a relative of mine whose (who's?) opinions on films and actors/actresses is freakishly identical to mine said the movie was crap.

353 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:52:30pm

re: #351 reine.de.tout

Yes, indeed it has.
I was going to say something earlier but decided to let it pass, it's just too confusing.

I know when I was a baby, my grandmother was horrified that my mother wanted to wait until she could attend the Baptism before having me baptized.

Whereas these days - my daughter was 3 or 4 months old before we had her baptized. I was advised that these days, intent of the parent to baptize the baby is sufficient for the baby's salvation, even if the actual baptism has not yet taken place.

Yes-- I think the sophistication was always there, buried in Aquinas and others. The nuns gave us the 95% solution.

354 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:52:58pm

Just a random thought. I really, really, really hate telemarketers and fundraisers, total fucking strangers who call you and say "how are you today?"

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:53:32pm

re: #354 Alouette

Just a random thought. I really, really, really hate telemarketers and fundraisers, total fucking strangers who call you and say "how are you today?"

"I was great, until you called."

356 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:54:15pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

That's wonderful. I wish it were just slightly cleaner, so I could print it out for my students.

I wonder if they'd mind me doing a PG version?

You can buy a poster of that, maybe just put your rewritten labels and stickers over the parts you don't think are appopriate for class?

For "definitely", I find it easier to just spell "definite", then add an "ly".

357 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:56:09pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

"I was great, until you called."

I always say "Who wants to know?"

358 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:57:02pm

re: #352 Slumbering Behemoth

Haven't seen it, but a relative of mine whose (who's?) opinions on films and actors/actresses is freakishly identical to mine said the movie was crap.

I hate to say it, but yea.

Of all the classic literature there is, how much of it is just sitting around and waiting for 21st century special effects. 3D, CGI, Pixar, whatever the hell. And he goes and re-writes practically the one and only story that would fit that bill perfectly.

There's a 1970's version that is really terrific. I think it's done in stop motion? Like Clash of the Titans was. I rarely see remakes because it ruins my nostalgia. I'm not going to see that one.

359 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:58:00pm

re: #354 Alouette

Just a random thought. I really, really, really hate telemarketers and fundraisers, total fucking strangers who call you and say "how are you today?"

This is awful - I just tell them someone close to me has just died and we're in the middle of the wake.

360 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 2:58:25pm

re: #358 marjoriemoon

I hate to say it, but yea.

Of all the classic literature there is, how much of it is just sitting around and waiting for 21st century special effects. 3D, CGI, Pixar, whatever the hell. And he goes and re-writes practically the one and only story that would fit that bill perfectly.

There's a 1970's version that is really terrific. I think it's done in stop motion? Like Clash of the Titans was. I rarely see remakes because it ruins my nostalgia. I'm not going to see that one.

The trailers sucked. If the trailers suck, you know the movie is complete suck.

361 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:00:10pm

re: #353 Decatur Deb

Yes-- I think the sophistication was always there, buried in Aquinas and others. The nuns gave us the 95% solution.

Yep.
I have to tell you - I've been thinking seriously lately about taking some classes, because I'm afraid much of what I know is from what you call the nuns' 95% solution. There is much I do not know, and should know.

362 kellygrrrl  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:00:28pm

"Youth in Asia will kill your grandma" FOR THE WIN!!!! those two have got to be hipster plants -- no way the teabaggies stumbled on the piece of wordplay gold by accident

363 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:01:32pm

re: #359 reine.de.tout

This is awful - I just tell them someone close to me has just died and we're in the middle of the wake.

I always go into my India accent and try to steer the conversation in the direction that "your product is against my religion, and besides, we have dirt floors."

Shuts them up every time.

364 darthstar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:01:52pm

Ugh...the price of loving one's dogs. After a 3 1/2 hour drive back from Tahoe in the rain, I decided I'd take the coastal highway the last thirty miles just in case there was a break in the weather. Both dogs were sleeping soundly in the back seat, and the weather was miserable (high winds, steady rain), but as we got past Moss Beach, they magically awoke together and started yapping away as they immediately realized we were near their favorite beach. So we went. I lasted about 10 minutes out there completely unprotected. Threw the ball three times into the surf for Banjo, and kept Fozzie on leash as he takes off for a minimum of a half hour whenever we go. Now we're home, finally, and both dogs are sleeping on either side of me on the couch as Bflat (our cat) purrs next to me.

365 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:03:01pm

re: #364 darthstar

Ugh...the price of loving one's dogs. After a 3 1/2 hour drive back from Tahoe in the rain, I decided I'd take the coastal highway the last thirty miles just in case there was a break in the weather. Both dogs were sleeping soundly in the back seat, and the weather was miserable (high winds, steady rain), but as we got past Moss Beach, they magically awoke together and started yapping away as they immediately realized we were near their favorite beach. So we went. I lasted about 10 minutes out there completely unprotected. Threw the ball three times into the surf for Banjo, and kept Fozzie on leash as he takes off for a minimum of a half hour whenever we go. Now we're home, finally, and both dogs are sleeping on either side of me on the couch as Bflat (our cat) purrs next to me.

And I hope you are now dry and warm.

366 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:03:06pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

Yep.
I have to tell you - I've been thinking seriously lately about taking some classes, because I'm afraid much of what I know is from what you call the nuns' 95% solution. There is much I do not know, and should know.

No harm in looking for the roots, but be fairly selective in your guru. My wife is an adult bible study leader, and I swear she doesn't have the 95%.

367 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:03:33pm

re: #366 Decatur Deb

No harm in looking for the roots, but be fairly selective in your guru. My wife is an adult bible study leader, and I swear she doesn't have the 95%.

The diocese here has classes.

368 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:03:34pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

I just got back from my first day at the new job a little while ago, and I just want to let you know I saw your supportive message on the earlier thread from this morning and I wanted to thank you. And Happy Easter to you too.

369 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:04:19pm

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

I just got back from my first day at the new job a little while ago, and I just want to let you know I saw your supportive message on the earlier thread from this morning and I wanted to thank you. And Happy Easter to you too.

{Walter}
Happy Easter and holiday and holyday to you!

370 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:05:02pm

re: #359 reine.de.tout

This is awful - I just tell them someone close to me has just died and we're in the middle of the wake.

Or, you could always try something like this.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:06:11pm

re: #358 marjoriemoon

I hate to say it, but yea.

Of all the classic literature there is, how much of it is just sitting around and waiting for 21st century special effects. 3D, CGI, Pixar, whatever the hell. And he goes and re-writes practically the one and only story that would fit that bill perfectly.

There's a 1970's version that is really terrific. I think it's done in stop motion? Like Clash of the Titans was. I rarely see remakes because it ruins my nostalgia. I'm not going to see that one.

If someone is going to do a crazy version of Alice, I have to say that I would like to see a film adaptation of The Looking-Glass War. I was turned on to this by a sixth-grader I taught back in the day, and it is a very weird, but compelling, retelling of Alice.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:07:00pm

re: #362 kellygrrrl

"Youth in Asia will kill your grandma" FOR THE WIN!!! those two have got to be hipster plants -- no way the teabaggies stumbled on the piece of wordplay gold by accident

Why would Thai teens have anything against my grandma?

/

373 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:07:09pm

re: #370 Slumbering Behemoth

Or, you could always try something like this.

LOL!
I've heard that before.
I love it.
I wish I could have the presence of mind to do that whenever I get one of those calls.

374 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:08:01pm

Could just sign up for the do not call list folks. It's free and works like a charm. It does not cover charitable solicitations, but I NEVER EVER get a sales call.

375 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:08:13pm

re: #362 kellygrrrl

"Youth in Asia will kill your grandma" FOR THE WIN!!! those two have got to be hipster plants -- no way the teabaggies stumbled on the piece of wordplay gold by accident

"Wolves Will Kill Your Grandmother"

50 foot graffitti in Magdalena, New Mexico.

376 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:08:52pm

re: #364 darthstar

as Bflat (our cat) purrs next to me.

Your cat has his own LGF account? Cool.

377 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:09:08pm

re: #364 darthstar

They love you for it.

378 darthstar  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:09:46pm

re: #376 SanFranciscoZionist

Your cat has his own LGF account? Cool.

You're thinking about b_sharp...b_sharp is a lizard. Bflat is a cat.

379 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:09:57pm

re: #374 bratwurst
I am listed on that list and I get no sales calls. I put my dad on that list and sales calls have stopped.

380 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:09:59pm

My cats are giving me that look that says, "Turn up the heat you cheap bastard."

381 Sully33  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:12:17pm

Lets see now.... "I" before "E" except after "C"..... Mmmmmm, yeah, that looks right.

382 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:12:39pm

re: #362 kellygrrrl

Had to look it up--funny.

383 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:13:08pm

re: #373 reine.de.tout

The best way to cut a telemarketing call short is to say you are a student, or a seamstress.

I don't know what the deal is with seamstresses, but the two telemarketing jobs I held very briefly both instructed it's employees not to bother with seamstresses.

384 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:13:18pm

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

If someone is going to do a crazy version of Alice, I have to say that I would like to see a film adaptation of The Looking-Glass War. I was turned on to this by a sixth-grader I taught back in the day, and it is a very weird, but compelling, retelling of Alice.

You wouldn't have to even do a crazy version of it. You could tell it exactly as written. Maybe Peter Jackson would do it right.

Alice in Wonderland is the first part of the book. She goes back again "Through the Looking Glass" in a second dream, the second part of the book.

I never heard of The Looking Glass War! But Through the Looking Glass is where she meets the Red Queen who's a bit of a tyrant.

Lots of messages in Alice about self-identity (political commentary also). Who you think you are, what shapes you, as well as the perceptions of others through their experience. There's the child's prospective (Alice is like 12 or 13 in the book), because all children want to be grown up, while the adults are all like impatient children.

385 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:13:44pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

That is so funny. That is how my neighbor's cat looks at me all the time.

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:13:47pm

re: #378 darthstar

You're thinking about b_sharp...b_sharp is a lizard. Bflat is a cat.

Is he a flat cat?

387 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:13:49pm

re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth

The best way to cut a telemarketing call short is to say you are a student, or a seamstress.

I don't know what the deal is with seamstresses, but the two telemarketing jobs I held very briefly both instructed it's employees not to bother with seamstresses.

"Bootblack" would probably work, too.

388 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:15:48pm

re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth

Tell them you have an unlisted number or tell them your line has a tap on it.

389 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:18:17pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

My cats are giving me that look that says, "Turn up the heat you cheap bastard."

Heh, tell 'em Obama won't let you.
/

390 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:19:25pm

BBL

391 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:20:40pm

re: #186 Sionainn

If you do get Rosetta Stone, let me know how that works for you. I've been interested in getting the Spanish one.

Rosetta Stone is a great interactive learning program, you need a good headset with microphone to use it comfortably. It starts with single words as depicted graphically with images. It works on the pronunciation with you on each word, you have to match your spoken word as sound graphed on the screen to the way that the program's sound graph shows on the screen.

Then you move on to simple sentences and stringing words together in the correct format for the language. I absolutely recommend the program to anyone, it really will enable almost anyone to learn a language if they are serious about doing it and willing to expend the time and effort. By ensuring that you are using the native and correct pronunciation you gain a lot of confidence in your ability.

392 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:21:36pm

And today I see Glenn Reynolds pimping an interview with white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain, at the 'jumpinginpools' website -- which is run by a complete psycho who registered numerous sock puppets at LGF to pimp his blog and up-ding his own posts, and engaged in a bizarre smear campaign at numerous sites, pretending to be different people. He's mentally ill.

Right wing blogs are completely off their gourds.

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:22:19pm

Catch y'all later. Hope everyone has a great day, whatever holiday it is you may be celebrating.

394 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:25:55pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

My cats are giving me that look that says, "Turn up the heat you cheap bastard."

Unless your house is at 30 degrees, the cats are probably perfectly comfortable. There's something else going on. They probably want tuna.

395 swamprat  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:27:31pm

re: #392 Charles

Aren't these the guys that accuse you of living in an "echo chamber"?


pot/kettle convergence

396 Gus  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:30:15pm

Spotted at Tea Party Rally:

Impeach Hairy Read.

Seriously though. Looking at these signs makes me wonder about the alleged result in this poll: Meet The Tea Partiers: Male, Rich and College Educated.

"Of this core group of Tea Party activists, 6 of 10 are male and half live in rural areas," CNN reports. "Nearly three quarters of Tea Party activists attended college, compared to 54 percent of all Americans, and more than three in four call themselves conservatives."

However, one month later, TPM was reporting: Poll: Tea Party Is The Home Of The Angry White Woman.

The Quinnipiac poll out this morning shows the just 13% of voters all themselves tea partiers, and those that do are on the far fringes of anger at and distrust of the government. The group is basically Republican -- 77% identified themselves that way, with just 5% calling themselves independent. In a surprise, 55% are women, while just 45% are men.

397 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:39:52pm

re: #201 BaseballMom57

Won't be anytime soon - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the price! Perhaps Ebay or Craigslist would be a better way to go.

@ Reine - I agree on those names - I also love Sinead. (As in Sinead O'Connor.) My eldest son's name is James, and my Dad always called him Seamus, which he told me was its Irish equivalent.

Not that I would wish to be accused of advocating illegal activity, I certainly would never wish to do that. I have heard however that some people without such deeply held moralistic beliefs have managed to acquire that program from certain torrent sites without having to pay for it.

398 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #378 darthstar

You're thinking about b_sharp...b_sharp is a lizard. Bflat is a cat.

Your cat could be on the Internet.

399 BaseballMom57  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 6:21:14pm

re: #397 ausador

Hmmm. No, I would never think to take part in that kind of activity. Thanks for the heads up.

400 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 4, 2010 8:45:51pm

re: #391 ausador

That sounds great. Thanks for the input!


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