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1 darthstar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 7:59:21pm

Well, aside from the clothing, they look like today's tea party.

2 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 7:59:27pm

It is a shame; the Tea Parties started out when Bush was in office to protest his policies and wasteful spending, but now they've been co-opted by the rabid right-wing and turned into a hate fest. Now you even mention that you're a libertarian or conservative who wants less government and you're sure to be lumped in with the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck-esque nutjobs who took over the movement.

So yeah, guess all I really want to say is f*ck the wingnuts who stole our movement to make it a platform for their craziness.

3 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:00:03pm

"Race Mixing is Communism"

Oh dear...

4 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:00:05pm

///Notice how there aren't any black people protesting how they don't want to be mixed with us whities? What's up with that? They think they're too good for us?

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:00:20pm

re: #1 darthstar

Well, aside from the clothing, they look like today's tea party.

Uh, no. They all have round hats and regular clothes.
/

6 darthstar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:01:12pm

re: #2 pharmmajor

The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.

Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.

7 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:01:25pm

Hateful time.

8 Unakite  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:01:50pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

///Notice how there aren't any black people protesting how they don't want to be mixed with us whities? What's up with that? They think they're too good for us?

No, they did that in Philadelphia.

9 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:02:55pm

re: #6 darthstar

The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.

And libertarians; but the press didn't give us any real coverage and instead chose to lump us in with the liberals.

10 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:03:51pm

A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:05:28pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?

For the pics or the Jewish plot?

12 darthstar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:05:38pm

re: #9 pharmmajor

And libertarians; but the press didn't give us any real coverage and instead chose to lump us in with the liberals.

The press has a hard time getting past the first syllable.

13 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:06:31pm

re: #12 darthstar

The press has a hard time getting past the first syllable.

That's why I gave up on American news media long ago.

14 darthstar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:06:32pm

Okay...NCIS time...opening a VPN connection so I can run some SQL queries...have fun everyone.

15 Unakite  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:07:12pm

re: #6 darthstar

The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.

Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.

With respect, there were a ton of voices on the right that were against Bush's wasteful spending (and not Ron Paul). They just happened to be voices on the right that voices on the left didn't agree with on a lot of other stuff.

16 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:07:28pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?

The Jews were sympathetic to Black causes. They still are. The first president of the NAACP was Jewish. Of course, they would call it a "plot to race mix".

17 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:08:08pm

There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.

18 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:08:22pm

Colbert has an interesting lineup tonight. Al Sharpton, a crazy meteorologist and a climate scientist. Should be entertaining.

19 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:08:39pm

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.

Yea, all 2 of them.

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:09:44pm

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

21 Unakite  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:09:52pm

re: #18 recusancy

Colbert has an interesting lineup tonight. Al Sharpton, a crazy meteorologist and a climate scientist. Should be entertaining.

You sure it's not a meteorologist and a crazy climate scientist??
///(ooh, this is going to hurt) :)

22 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:11:44pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Ugh. Disgusting. but I found some.

[Link: incogman.wordpress.com...]

That's a cache of a virulent antisemitic asshole. Apologies for linking to such crap, even via cache. But it does contain a poster alleging that Jews promote 'race-mixing' for whites even as they refrain from it themselves.

Fucking antisemites. They're so creepy!

Warning: That site is terrible.

23 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:13:18pm

re: #21 Unakite

You sure it's not a meteorologist and a crazy climate scientist??
///(ooh, this is going to hurt) :)

Nope.

24 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:13:25pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Yea, all 2 of them.

C'mon...the AP had a big story on that today.

Black Conservative Tea Party Backers Take Heat

They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement — and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.

"I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.

"Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said.

Johnson and other black conservatives say they were drawn to the tea party movement because of what they consider its commonsense fiscal values of controlled spending, less taxes and smaller government. The fact that they're black — or that most tea partyers are white — should have nothing to do with it, they say.

"You have to be honest and true to yourself. What am I supposed to do, vote Democratic just to be popular? Just to fit in?" asked Clifton Bazar, a 45-year-old New Jersey freelance photographer and conservative blogger.

Opponents have branded the tea party as a group of racists hiding behind economic concerns — and reports that some tea partyers were lobbing racist slurs at black congressmen during last month's heated health care vote give them ammunition.

But these black conservatives don't consider racism representative of the movement as a whole — or race a reason to support it.

Angela McGlowan, a black congressional candidate from Mississippi, said her tea party involvement is "not about a black or white issue."

"It's not even about Republican or Democrat, from my standpoint," she told The Associated Press. "All of us are taxed too much."

Still, she's in the minority. As a nascent grassroots movement with no registration or formal structure, there are no racial demographics available for the tea party movement; it's believed to include only a small number of blacks and Hispanics.

Some black conservatives credit President Barack Obama's election — and their distaste for his policies — with inspiring them and motivating dozens of black Republicans to plan political runs in November.

Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.

25 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:14:18pm

nice snag Charles....maybe there is a future for your research skills at the Library of Congress!...this little blurb is a great context observation...what goes round, comes round

26 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:14:35pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Ugh. Disgusting. but I found some.

[Link: incogman.wordpress.com...]

That's a cache of a virulent antisemitic asshole. Apologies for linking to such crap, even via cache. But it does contain a poster alleging that Jews promote 'race-mixing' for whites even as they refrain from it themselves.

Fucking antisemites. They're so creepy!

Warning: That site is terrible.

That site needs a much stronger warning.
It's not just terrible, it is sick and vile and evil.
Ugh.

27 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:15:25pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?

I like the historical context for some reason...maybe nothing is new

28 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:17:52pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Yikes...

29 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:18:11pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

I'm sorry, Reine. I have no idea how people can live with that kind of evil and not just die from it.

But I would note that this terrible, antisemitic page is very clearly an anti-leftist page, with Ron Paul overtones. "End the Fed", and the various Soverign Citizen movements.

It's terrible to reflect upon, but look at the obsessive effort that racist put into making his webpage. That man is not just holding idle thoughts in his heart, he's spreading them.

30 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:18:41pm

Charles... what is the ID of that picture, when was it taken, where, what rally etc?

31 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:19:09pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.

I don't think I was doing that. And the comment on that article, "Why should I vote Democrat just to be popular and to fit in?" No one has to vote Democrat. I have no problem with anyone voting however they please. But to join the Tea Party? If there were no charges of racism, than they wouldn't be called traitors.

32 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:19:21pm

"Stop the race mixing march of the Antichrist."

The only difference between this slogan and the religious right's current slogans is that they've learned not to use the term "race mixing."

33 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:19:35pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

That site needs a much stronger warning.
It's not just terrible, it is sick and vile and evil.
Ugh.

I'll pass before bedtime!

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:20:17pm

re: #29 Obdicut

It also had pics of both Obama and Bush in the clown makeup. Calling them Clown Zionist or whatever. (not going back to see the exact wording)

35 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:23:20pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.

What, all ten of them nationwide?

36 Soap_Man  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:23:22pm

Ha! That's pretty harsh.

Spot on though...

37 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:23:55pm

re: #29 Obdicut

I'm sorry, Reine. I have no idea how people can live with that kind of evil and not just die from it.

But I would note that this terrible, antisemitic page is very clearly an anti-leftist page, with Ron Paul overtones. "End the Fed", and the various Soverign Citizen movements.

It's terrible to reflect upon, but look at the obsessive effort that racist put into making his webpage. That man is not just holding idle thoughts in his heart, he's spreading them.

He's written his thoughts, but I have faith, really I do, that most people are reasonable people and most who see that page will see that for the evil, sick, vile shit it is.

(but what do I know, YL92 fools me every damned time).

38 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:24:25pm

re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. It's a real shithole of crazy antisemitism. It's anti-American in its bigotry. And it is very much firmly nativist and Paulian, as well.

It is also accusing Jews at being at the forefront of nearly every 'liberal' idea, like immigration reform and health care reform.

What an asshole.

39 humpty dumpty was pushed  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:24:52pm

So the protests are actually about race mixing? Wow.

40 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:25:14pm

re: #33 marjoriemoon

I'll pass before bedtime!

yes, do pass - don't go there. Really. There is nothing worth seeing; believe me, it is a sick sick sick page.

41 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:25:35pm

re: #31 marjoriemoon

I don't think I was doing that. And the comment on that article, "Why should I vote Democrat just to be popular and to fit in?" No one has to vote Democrat. I have no problem with anyone voting however they please. But to join the Tea Party? If there were no charges of racism, than they wouldn't be called traitors.

I would guess they wouldn't join if they witnessed racism at the tea parties they attend. They certainly are pretty sure about the racism spewed at them from the other side.

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:25:51pm

re: #32 Charles

"Stop the race mixing march of the Antichrist."

The only difference between this slogan and the religious right's current slogans is that they've learned not to use the term "race mixing."

Rotten. It drives me crazy that we still have the same kind of loons we used to have when my father was a kid. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

43 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:26:15pm

re: #37 reine.de.tout

I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.

44 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:26:51pm

So, here's the question, asked in light of the recent Gallup and Rasmussen polls indicating the Tea Party concept is gaining steam:

Has anyone ever done a quantitative analysis of the number of, let's call them, incendiary, race-bating or riot-provoking signs at a Tea Party event as a percentage of the total number of signs?

Example: 232 unique signs observed;

X called for the violent overthrow of the president/Congress;
X made mention of the president's race:
X made mention of seceding from the union;
X made mention of Armageddon; while
X were of the basic, harmless, lower-taxes and smaller government variety?

I think the photo and the caption here are a bit of a stretch. And while I know that signs/T-shirts that any sensible conservative/libertarian would distance himself from get rolled out at 'Tea Party' type events, I just find it hard to believe that a case could be made that anywhere near a majority of the signs/T-shirts/organizations represented would fall into the first four X figures.

45 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:27:21pm

I went to the Los Angeles launch of the Tea Party Express. Took some shots. Nothing so racist as above or as we had in DC or above. For comparison I offer this link.

Wing nutty to be sure but apparently it got worse as time went by.

46 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #43 Obdicut

I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.

Agreed.
They are very well protected.
But I really hope that protection never has to be tested.

47 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:28:41pm

I've posted dozens and dozens of photos of Tea Party signs that are every bit as disgusting as the signs you see above.

But hey. Let's just forget about all that. Right?

48 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:29:24pm

re: #47 Charles

Whoa. Not what I was trying to say...

49 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:29:33pm

re: #37 reine.de.tout

{{Reine}} It takes a certain kind of optimism to get through life, I think. That's all.

50 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:29:59pm

Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:30:00pm

re: #45 Rightwingconspirator

I went to the Los Angeles launch of the Tea Party Express. Took some shots. Nothing so racist as above or as we had in DC or above. For comparison I offer this link.

Wing nutty to be sure but apparently it got worse as time went by.

I went to the first one around here. No kooks except the one guy handing out fliers from Alex Jones' site. It made its way into the trash quickly. But, the kooks have taken over.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:09pm

Has anyone seen the equivalent of the inflatable scrotum guy at any of the tea parties?

54 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:14pm

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, it morphed bad, really bad. There is no comparison to DC and LA.

55 Soap_Man  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:27pm

OT: So, my parents are moving and I had to help clean out the basement of the home I grew up in. Anyway, one of the things I found was the VHS of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Original, as in before George Lucas f'ed it up with that "special edition" shit.

So I'm going to watch this now. Goodnight all.

56 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:38pm

Every sign that equates taxes to slavery should be put in that category.

57 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #50 Radical Rafe

Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.

The biggest question is, how sane are the leaders, if the leaders are insane then it doesn't matter how many sane followers they have.....

58 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:32:03pm

That picture in the thread heading is why "southern democratic" was an expletive among Blacks for many years.

It sure would be nice if the Republicans told the racists to piss off, the way the democrats didn't.

But neither party has tried to distance itself from this well known large block of voters.

Well the dems have.
Now.
Finally.

So the republicans are all too willing to let the flies in, or at least, not shoo them out.

A pox on both their houses. Vote-whores, both of them. RonPaul, too.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #50 Radical Rafe

Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.

And that's why nobody has made such a case.

60 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:32:28pm

re: #47 Charles

No Charles --- what I'm asking is, were there also not dozens and dozens of signs that weren't batshit insane?

That's all I'm asking. Not refuting your photos or your numbers. Just wondering how big a piece of the tea party, uh, pie that contingent really is.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:10pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Yea, all 2 of them.

I don't think anyone called the guy with the M4 slung over his shoulder any names. They were too busy muttering 'say WHAT?'

62 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:13pm

re: #2 pharmmajor

It is a shame; the Tea Parties started out when Bush was in office to protest his policies and wasteful spending

[citation needed]

63 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #32 Charles

"Stop the race mixing march of the Antichrist."

The only difference between this slogan and the religious right's current slogans is that they've learned not to use the term "race mixing."

When the miscegination laws were overturned in 1967, the Right predicted the fall of the Republic.

Instead we got this:

Image: tn2_lisa_bonet_4.jpg

and this:

Image: 0f645f8034aaf02e767981274384cc68_halle_barry-5316.jpg

I think that is a plus for the Republic.

Just sayin'.

64 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:31pm

re: #45 Rightwingconspirator

I went to the Los Angeles launch of the Tea Party Express. Took some shots. Nothing so racist as above or as we had in DC or above. For comparison I offer this link.

Wing nutty to be sure but apparently it got worse as time went by.

I think that there are different experiences in different places. Your photos are similar to what I've seen here at the ever-dwindling tea party events (hasn't been one here in quite awhile, and very few people at the last one).

But here's the thing - when I started looking into the local tea party organization, oh, a year or more ago, I discovered that all of the main players, the organizers, were members of the Constitution Party.
The Constitution Party is loony, just nuts. Take a really good look at that site and you'll see.

So for whatever reason it was that regular folks were going to the Tea Party events, the fact is that behind the scenes, it was those folks who were calling the shots. Made me very very uncomfortable.

65 palomino  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:40pm

Thanks for posting this, Charles. I'm sure you'll get a lot of hell from the people who think Limbaugh and RSMcCain don't have a racist bone in their bodies.

Particularly since the spitting/racial slurs episode, the baggers really have started to resemble previous angry mobs--lynch mobs, segregationist mobs, anti-immigrant mobs.

66 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:57pm

don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.

67 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:34:19pm

re: #63 austin_blue

My mix raced kids are incredibly beautiful.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:02pm

re: #66 Boondock St. Bender

don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.

I believe the proper label is Dixiecrats.

69 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:19pm

FYI

I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).

This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.

And interesting story on the incident can be found at...

[Link: www.time.com...]

The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States

Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)

Conway, Arkansas, United States

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg

Religion Southern Baptist

FYI

70 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:24pm

re: #66 Boondock St. Bender

don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.

Ever occur to you that these idiots aren't conservatives?

71 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:26pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

I believe the proper label is Dixiecrats.

AKA Conservatives.

72 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:37pm

re: #63 austin_blue

When the miscegination laws were overturned in 1967, the Right predicted the fall of the Republic.

Instead we got this:

Image: tn2_lisa_bonet_4.jpg

and this:

Image: 0f645f8034aaf02e767981274384cc68_halle_barry-5316. jpg

I think that is a plus for the Republic.

Just sayin'.

And this as well... I think..

Image: Jessica_Alba_Maxim_Shoot_Raws_22(2).jpg

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:56pm

re: #39 humpty dumpty was pushed

So the protests are actually about race mixing? Wow.

I don't know WHAT the protests are about. That's the part that makes me very, very wary of them.

74 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:59pm

re: #50 Radical Rafe

I'm sure even most of them aren't,probably decent people who got caugght up in the hype.

75 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:41pm

re: #67 prairiefire

My mix raced kids are incredibly beautiful.

And well they should be! Gene mixing is good for humanity.

76 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:51pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know WHAT the protests are about. That's the part that makes me very, very wary of them.

See my re: #69 Walter L. Newton

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:56pm

re: #63 austin_blue

re: #72 jamesfirecat

I thank both of you.:)

78 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:56pm

re: #70 stevemcg

thats what the "" quotes were for.

79 captdiggs  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:58pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks,"

Which really defies history. Lincoln was a republican, and the fact is that the Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 far more than Democrats
[Link: www.congresslink.org...]
It was Republican senator Everett Dirksen who crafted much of the Civil Rights act...and Democrat senator Al Gore ( senior) who led the fight against it.

80 palomino  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:11pm

re: #43 Obdicut

I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.

For the first time in my life (and maybe for the first time since Pres. Lincoln) I get the feeling that a fair number of folks would be really happy if something happened to the president. Like you, I hope I'm just being paranoid.

81 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:15pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone seen the equivalent of the inflatable scrotum guy at any of the tea parties?

Looking for a little tu quoque nightcap?

82 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:25pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

FYI

I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).

This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.

And interesting story on the incident can be found at...

[Link: www.time.com...]

The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States

Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)

Conway, Arkansas, United States

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg

Religion Southern Baptist

FYI

I guess I was wrong.

83 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:45pm

re: #74 Boondock St. Bender

I'm sure even most of them aren't,probably decent people who got caugght up in the hype.

WTF?

Decent people who got caught up in the hype, then decided to demonstrate with signs about "race mixing?"

Apparently, we have different ideas about what constitutes "decent people."

84 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:56pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

De-segregation, starting with the military. These protesters in the photo thought the nation would fall if the old order was not maintained.

85 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:40pm

re: #79 captdiggs

Which really defies history. Lincoln was a republican, and the fact is that the Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 far more than Democrats
[Link: www.congresslink.org...]
It was Republican senator Everett Dirksen who crafted much of the Civil Rights act...and Democrat senator Al Gore ( senior) who led the fight against it.

Yes, but it was a Democratic president who signed it into law, and after it did the Dixecrats in the Democratic party like Strom Thurmond threw a hissy fit and left the party, and the Republicans allowed them to come in.

Then Nixon came up with his Southern Strategy and presto changeo the party of Lincoln becomes the party of Jefferson Davis!

86 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:46pm

re: #43 Obdicut

I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.

I'm not American and I worry about Obama. I've never seen such hate toward your president.

87 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:48pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

I guess I was wrong.

Why?

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:50pm

re: #41 NJDhockeyfan

I would guess they wouldn't join if they witnessed racism at the tea parties they attend. They certainly are pretty sure about the racism spewed at them from the other side.

'Spewed at them from the other side'? Did I miss some description of anti-tea-party loonies screaming shit at these black tea partiers? Because what they were saying, to me, sounded like things friends and family might well say if you were getting involved with this kind of group.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:59pm

re: #81 bratwurst

Looking for a little tu quoque nightcap?

Heh. How did you know?

//

90 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:39:31pm

Hey now, I have been posting this stuff for weeks and I don't even get a mention much less a hat tip?...humph!

My two favorite anti-Integration early "tea party" pictures so far...

Image: Integrationisillegal.jpg

Image: Integrationprotest.jpg

The second one is especially appealing because of course as we all know it was the "communist Jews" who promoted race mixing laws...sheesh!

/

91 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:39:35pm

Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."

Imagine my surprise.

92 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:39:49pm

re: #66 Boondock St. Bender

don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.

Yes. Former southern Dems who are now hardcore Repubs. Marketing works.

93 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:18pm

re: #91 Charles

Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."

Imagine my surprise.

Who claimed they were democrats?

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:23pm

re: #50 Radical Rafe

Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.

I'm sure not everyone at every given Tea Party is batshit insane, but they sure must have some blinders on not to notice the batshit insanity around them.

95 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:27pm

re: #64 reine.de.tout

Agreed. It was the most extreme Republican that spoke-Chuck DeVore.

I practice my camera skills at marches and protests. May 1st falls on a Saturday. I will certainly go to that march and see what we have there. Might make for interesting comparisons.

96 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:35pm

Evidently, everything is communism.
The things one learns.

97 GatorAtLaw  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:25pm

re: #50 Radical Rafe

Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.

Until the majority denounces the minority (assuming such a distinction can be made), yes, everyone at those events is batshit insane.

98 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:25pm

Race mixing is Communism
Race mixing march of the anti-Christ

So are we saying the Tea Party of today has adopted frighteningly similar language of the Dixiecrats? Why is this a good thing?

99 captdiggs  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:35pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

and presto changeo the party of Lincoln becomes the party of Jefferson Davis!


Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.

100 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:56pm

Let me try again...for those of you who have been to a Tea Party event (assuming any of you have): Out of every 10 signs, how many of them would qualify as batshit insane ("disgusting" as Charles rightly says above), and how many of them were of the harmless, patriotic, lower-taxes and small government variety?

101 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:42:17pm

re: #91 Charles

Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."

Imagine my surprise.

They were Dems, but their heirs are are now in the GOP. i wish both parties would reject these scum, but sadly the Republicans are not doing that.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:42:18pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone seen the equivalent of the inflatable scrotum guy at any of the tea parties?

Personally, no, but since I always avert my eyes from those photos, I may not be reliable witness.

103 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:42:24pm

re: #91 Charles

Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."

Imagine my surprise.

GMTA!

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:10pm

re: #56 recusancy

Every sign that equates taxes to slavery should be put in that category.

I dunno. 'Extremely over-the-top, slavery-diminishing, self-pitying, ludicrously dramatic whining' is, to me, still different from 'just plain racism'.

105 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:27pm

re: #99 captdiggs

Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.

George W. Bush is not a racist. The GOP has a problem with race, but he himself does not.

106 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:33pm

re: #90 ausador

Hey now, I have been posting this stuff for weeks and I don't even get a mention much less a hat tip?...humph!

My two favorite anti-Integration early "tea party" pictures so far...

Image: Integrationisillegal.jpg

Image: Integrationprotest.jpg

The second one is especially appealing because of course as we all know it was the "communist Jews" who promoted race mixing laws...sheesh!

/

Ah, thanks.Those are the ones I was looking for. With what I've learned over the past year it's easy to see how this all fits in with Glenn Beck, Birch Society and Ron Paul conspiracies about Jewish Bankers seekritly running the world. It's all coming back.

107 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:57pm

Yup there were racist democrats. They're used to be conservative democrats and progressive republicans. Things realigned after civil rights in the 60's. Those racists sure as hell weren't progressive. So where do you think they are now?

108 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:17pm

re: #83 Charles

no,no...not the jack-asses with the signs,the folks who show up and mill around at these things.(hopefully they see the signs,and distance themselves from the whole mess)

109 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:19pm

re: #74 Boondock St. Bender

You could say that about Germans in the 1930's & 1960's. We are responsible for our advocacy. Then and the 50's and most importantly now.

110 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:32pm

Walter,

How did you like tonight's episode?

*no spoiler mode on*

111 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:38pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

They were Dems, but their heirs are are now in the GOP. i wish both parties would reject these scum, but sadly the Republicans are not doing that.

Are you sure they aren't Robert Byrd's campaign entourage?

112 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:45:07pm

By the way;
Race mixing is communism was strongly implied or said in a book written by J. Edgar Hoover.
I read the book,but I don't remember the name of it. I don't know what party he was in, but he was nuts.

113 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:45:34pm

re: #110 Bagua

Walter,

How did you like tonight's episode?

*no spoiler mode on*

Getting better and better. Did you see it yet?

114 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:45:51pm

re: #91 Charles

Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."

Imagine my surprise.

Dixiecrats perhaps, maybe, there is some slight chance of that. Democrats?...Uhh...no, I don't think so.

115 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:16pm

re: #112 swamprat

He's also the reason the director of the FBI only can serve 10 years as director.

116 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:23pm

re: #108 Boondock St. Bender

no,no...not the jack-asses with the signs,the folks who show up and mill around at these things.(hopefully they see the signs,and distance themselves from the whole mess)

Not a single person at the tea parties has EVER denounced the racist and/or ugly paranoid signs that are in abundance at these events. And not a single GOP politician has denounced them, either.

Instead, they deny the signs exist. Or make excuses for them. Or claim that they were "planted" by leftists.

117 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:29pm

re: #2 pharmmajor

It is a shame; the Tea Parties started out when Bush was in office to protest his policies and wasteful spending, but now they've been co-opted by the rabid right-wing and turned into a hate fest. Now you even mention that you're a libertarian or conservative who wants less government and you're sure to be lumped in with the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck-esque nutjobs who took over the movement.

So yeah, guess all I really want to say is f*ck the wingnuts who stole our movement to make it a platform for their craziness.


That a bit of revisionist history.

The first tea party of this movement was April 15, 2009. On tax day, after Obama's inauguration. Fox (especially Beck) was heavily involved in promoting and publicizing it for more than a month before it even happened.

They blamed Obama for the AIG and bank bailouts (which happened before the election), the TARP (part before the election, the rest between the election and inauguration), and the stimulus (okay, that one *was* after he took office -- but half of it was middle-class tax cuts, and half the rest was bailing out states so they wouldn't have to lay off cops and teachers). They also claimed as "a huge increase in deficits" that he moved Iraq war funding from off-budget specials to on-budget.

118 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:43pm

re: #99 captdiggs

Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?

Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

119 ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:54pm

Wow, that's a pretty dishonest comparison.

Let's see, the photo appears to be of pro-segregation march. In other words, a protest designed to advocated for that specific goal.

The stated purpose of the tea parties is opposition to high levels of government spending.

Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?

I guess according to your logic, if a pro-Israel group holds a rally and enough people holding "Killing The Muslim" signs show up, the pro-Israel group is presumed to be holding not a pro-Israel march but a pro Muslim murder march.

Interesting way to look at things.

120 GatorAtLaw  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:47:05pm

re: #100 Radical Rafe

Let me try again...for those of you who have been to a Tea Party event (assuming any of you have): Out of every 10 signs, how many of them would qualify as batshit insane ("disgusting" as Charles rightly says above), and how many of them were of the harmless, patriotic, lower-taxes and small government variety?

Let me try again. That doesn't matter. Palin or Bachmann or the other nutjob leaders tell the herd "hey, cut this racial and birther and other dumb shit out," they're all equally culpable.

Everyone knows its there, but no one has said 'stop.'

121 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:47:44pm

re: #107 recusancy
A significant number are probably dead or in retirement homes. The 60s were 40+ years ago. So if you were an older angry white guy (most of the no race mixing group), you're probably in your 80s now. Some may have gone into the tea parties. But a lot of the tea partiers I'm seeing are in their 50s. Guessing not the same people. They are probably animated by some of the same emotions though...fear, distrust, resentment.

122 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:47:49pm

re: #116 Charles

Not a single person at the tea parties has EVER denounced the racist and/or ugly paranoid signs that are in abundance at these events. And not a single GOP politician has denounced them, either.

Instead, they deny the signs exist. Or make excuses for them. Or claim that they were "planted" by leftists.

Or point to the .05% of the tea partiers who aren't white and say, "look we have black people!".

123 GatorAtLaw  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:21pm

re: #120 GatorAtLaw

*Until Palin...

124 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:34pm

re: #115 pingjockey

Term limits of all kinds have my vote.

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:39pm

re: #120 GatorAtLaw

Let me try again. That doesn't matter. Palin or Bachmann or the other nutjob leaders tell the herd "hey, cut this racial and birther and other dumb shit out," they're all equally culpable.

Everyone knows its there, but no one has said 'stop.'

Exactly. If someone prominent in the GOP wishes to tell the race baiters they are not welcome, then the party will recover some credibility. But not before.

126 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:54pm

re: #118 austin_blue

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?

Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Whoa....you act like the party with the most elected minorities is the least racist.

127 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:49:39pm

re: #118 austin_blue

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?

Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And they're about too drop him.

128 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:49:49pm

Here is another picture from the rally... with two signs...

"Race Mixing Is Communism"

and

"Governor Faubus SAve Our Christian America"

[Link: www.picturehistory.com...]

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:49:54pm

re: #44 Radical Rafe

So, here's the question, asked in light of the recent Gallup and Rasmussen polls indicating the Tea Party concept is gaining steam:

Has anyone ever done a quantitative analysis of the number of, let's call them, incendiary, race-bating or riot-provoking signs at a Tea Party event as a percentage of the total number of signs?

Example: 232 unique signs observed;

X called for the violent overthrow of the president/Congress;
X made mention of the president's race:
X made mention of seceding from the union;
X made mention of Armageddon; while
X were of the basic, harmless, lower-taxes and smaller government variety?

I think the photo and the caption here are a bit of a stretch. And while I know that signs/T-shirts that any sensible conservative/libertarian would distance himself from get rolled out at 'Tea Party' type events, I just find it hard to believe that a case could be made that anywhere near a majority of the signs/T-shirts/organizations represented would fall into the first four X figures.

They're ORGANIZING the Tea Parties, genius.

130 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:02pm

re: #84 prairiefire

De-segregation, starting with the military. These protesters in the photo thought the nation would fall if the old order was not maintained.

well, sure. Let the old order not be maintained, next thing you know white women from Kansas are going to be breeding with Africans and who knows where that could lead. There'd be little zebra children, going to the same schools as rele murikans, running for office, they'd be everywhere. Maybe even in the White House.

//must i?

131 palomino  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:09pm

The younger people in this picture ARE today's tea partiers.

Where do you think they learned their teabag moves?

132 Lidane  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:13pm

re: #80 palomino

For the first time in my life (and maybe for the first time since Pres. Lincoln) I get the feeling that a fair number of folks would be really happy if something happened to the president. Like you, I hope I'm just being paranoid.

I feel the same way, and I don't like it.

I hate having that tiny little voice in the back of my head that is genuinely scared for the man and his family. I mean, I always had a sense that the first minority President was going to face some ugly reactions from some folks, but what I've seen lately has gone above and beyond all that to a very worrying degree.

When I look at the tea party stuff, I know instinctively that not every person there is a racist asshole. I'd say that most are just angry and scared, especially after losing their jobs or their homes, or both. However, they're being manipulated and exploited by people who ARE racist assholes, or who have a vested interest in playing on their anxieties and fears, and in raising racial tensions,whether it's to boost ratings for their talk shows, sell books, or raise money for their pet causes.

Once the mainstream right starts doing that, it gives the racist extremists cover. They can hide in plain sight, bringing their offensive signs, shouting slurs at members of Congress and all that. When someone points out those offensive signs or actions, the same folks who have a vested interest in stoking these tensions for ratings or cash start whining about broad brushes and stereotypes and enemy plants, so nothing changes and the tensions continue. It's a never-ending clusterfuck that should never have started in the first place.

133 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:41pm

re: #116 Charles

Not a single person at the tea parties has EVER denounced the racist and/or ugly paranoid signs that are in abundance at these events. And not a single GOP politician has denounced them, either.

Instead, they deny the signs exist. Or make excuses for them. Or claim that they were "planted" by leftists.

Well said. It's the crazy uncle in the attic. What is *real* is intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer. The whacks are allowed to participate. Shameful.

134 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:48pm

The party affiliation of any of these folks, then or now, is not really pertinent to anything, is it?

Fact is - any reasonable, rational person, whether liberal or conservative, cannot see these things happening and be proud of or happy about it, now can they? Whether it's one sign or ten - doesn't matter. It should not be acceptable behavior in any event or demonstration.

Fact is - these current tea-party types seem to have a very strong hold right now on the Republican Party (Not the Democratic Party). And as these events continue, more and more of the racists and just plain foolish people show up and are accepted by the rest, allowed to mix and mingle in with the crowds. And what I see at blogs I used to read with a bit of interest, Michelle Malkin, Hot Air, is just vile, and also accepting of the racist rhetoric shown on these signs.

135 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:07pm

re: #99 captdiggs

Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.

Well you can tell that blacks appreciated that based on what a huge majority of them voted for Bush when he was running in 2000, and 2004

Right....


Right?

136 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:21pm

re: #119 ferris


Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?

You need to stand up for what you believe in. Denounce the bad elements and move on. Not deflect and defend.

137 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:39pm
138 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:46pm

re: #116 Charles

point well taken...

139 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:57pm

re: #121 Escaped Hillbilly

A significant number are probably dead or in retirement homes. The 60s were 40+ years ago. So if you were an older angry white guy (most of the no race mixing group), you're probably in your 80s now. Some may have gone into the tea parties. But a lot of the tea partiers I'm seeing are in their 50s. Guessing not the same people. They are probably animated by some of the same emotions though...fear, distrust, resentment.

Yeah. I didn't mean the literal people in the photo. I just mean the ideology. Not all conservatives are racists, but if you're racist you're most likely a conservative.

140 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:00pm

re: #120 GatorAtLaw

Hey look man, it matters to me, so it does matter. K?

All I've asked is a simple question --- has anyone made a numerical comparison of the batshit insane signs vs, the number of harmless lower taxes/smaller government signs. And it looks like the simple answer is "no".

141 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:09pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

Whoa...you act like the party with the most elected minorities is the least racist.

Is that a joke?

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:14pm

re: #111 NJDhockeyfan

Are you sure they aren't Robert Byrd's campaign entourage?

hahaha EVERY THREAD

EVERY SINGLE THREAD

The Byrd thing being thrown up by you brain surgeons, it's as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode and as weak as watered down mayonnaise.

143 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #140 Radical Rafe

Hey look man, it matters to me, so it does matter. K?

All I've asked is a simple question --- has anyone made a numerical comparison of the batshit insane signs vs, the number of harmless lower taxes/smaller government signs. And it looks like the simple answer is "no".

So go ahead and do it yourself.

144 palomino  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:59pm

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.

Don't pretend that teabaggery is some sort of multi-ethnic, cross-section-of-America movement. It's not, which is why it's doomed in the long run.

145 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:59pm

re: #131 palomino

The younger people in this picture ARE today's tea partiers.

Where do you think they learned their teabag moves?

sounds good...but that's bullshit, nobody knows

146 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:08pm

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

Getting better and better. Did you see it yet?

I did, but was a bit distracted I guess, found it hard to get engaged. But the plot items are coming together nicely.

I think I miss how I used to watch it, on DVD. As I don't watch TV I get confused by all the adds and now they have little logos, and alerts and such popping up during the show. I think I'll download it and watch it again that way.

147 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:12pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

I have made a decision to attend the next tea party event that I can. Don't know when/where that will be. But I wish to see with my own eyes and make my own judgments. I may well attempt some type of sign count or other study for my own interest. I also wonder if/how often the rank and file attempt to correct those around them that are stepping over the decency line with Obama=Hitler signs and such. I'd like to observe and try to document.

148 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:23pm

re: #132 Lidane

Very well said!

149 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:24pm

re: #119 ferris

No fucking pro-Israel group would allow anyone holding signs advocating killing Muslims. They would be cast out righteously.

That is the goddamn difference.

150 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:34pm

Apparently, having a historical mirror held up to the tea party movement is really difficult for some people to take.

151 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:54:22pm

re: #6 darthstar

The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.

Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.

William F. Buckley, Jr.

Of George W. Bush's presidency, he said, "If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we’ve experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign."He further said, "Bush is 'conservative', but he is not a 'Conservative', and that the president was not elected 'as a vessel of the conservative faith.'"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

152 Soap_Man  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:54:33pm

re: #55 Soap_Man

OT: So, my parents are moving and I had to help clean out the basement of the home I grew up in. Anyway, one of the things I found was the VHS of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Original, as in before George Lucas f'ed it up with that "special edition" shit.

So I'm going to watch this now. Goodnight all.

Damn Uncle Owen. I was gonna go to Tashi station to pick up some mothafuckin' power converters, Shiiiiit, buzzkill...

153 palomino  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:54:34pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.

OK, what's currently happening on the Left that has the overt ever-present ugliness of the Tea Party Protesters?

154 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:07pm

re: #150 Charles

Apparently, having a historical mirror held up to the tea party movement is really difficult for some people to take.

I think it's a real eye poppin post...there is an anthology here that needs to be exposed

155 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #80 palomino

For the first time in my life (and maybe for the first time since Pres. Lincoln) I get the feeling that a fair number of folks would be really happy if something happened to the president. Like you, I hope I'm just being paranoid.

Did you forget all the threats made to George Bush the previous 8 years? The fantasies about his assassination went past radio talk show hosts to authors who wrote books about it to movies celebrating his assassination and death.

156 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:21pm

re: #118 austin_blue

Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?

Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?

Not national office, but if you'll settle for state officials there's Ken Blackwell and Alan Keyes. There used to be a congressman (J.C. Watts), but he said they gave him crappy committee assignments and the triple C contributed nothing to his campaigns.

157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:26pm

re: #99 captdiggs

Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.

Bush: not racist

GOP southern strategy: racist

tea-party base primarying mainstream republicans: racist.

Do you understand yet?

158 GatorAtLaw  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:28pm

re: #131 palomino

The younger people in this picture ARE today's tea partiers.

Where do you think they learned their teabag moves?

This is a joke, right?

Democrats have a stranglehold on the youth vote. The tea partiers are overwhelmingly old, white, and Christian.

159 captdiggs  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:00pm

re: #118 austin_blue

"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]

Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:07pm

re: #140 Radical Rafe

Hey look man, it matters to me, so it does matter. K?

All I've asked is a simple question --- has anyone made a numerical comparison of the batshit insane signs vs, the number of harmless lower taxes/smaller government signs. And it looks like the simple answer is "no".

I'm more concerned about who's organizing these events, apologist.

161 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:23pm

re: #146 Bagua

I did, but was a bit distracted I guess, found it hard to get engaged. But the plot items are coming together nicely.

I think I miss how I used to watch it, on DVD. As I don't watch TV I get confused by all the adds and now they have little logos, and alerts and such popping up during the show. I think I'll download it and watch it again that way.

Well, that's not good to get distracted... especially during an episode that was so loaded with internal references and clever tie backs to the last 5 years worth of story line.

Tonight episode was extremely clever in the cyclic nature of the events, how the realities are starting to "bleed" into each other, as I said, very clever.

Watch it again on ABC's website, where the commercials are short and you can start and stop it. They go up on ABC's website at 8:00am Eastern the next day.

162 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:36pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

hahaha EVERY THREAD

EVERY SINGLE THREAD

The Byrd thing being thrown up by you brain surgeons, it's as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode and as weak as watered down mayonnaise.

Would you rather I bring up Tom Metzger?

163 Lidane  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:48pm

re: #158 GatorAtLaw

This is a joke, right?

Democrats have a stranglehold on the youth vote. The tea partiers are overwhelmingly old, white, and Christian.

Which means they would have been the young, white, Christian kids in the photo at the top of this post. That's the point.

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:52pm

re: #159 captdiggs

"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]

Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.

Google southern strategy

165 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:53pm

Interesting commentary on the tea Party concept of oppressive taxes versus the reality.


"And in fact, as the data above from the Tax Policy Center show, income taxes as a share of GDP have held steady during the same time period. Corporate and excise taxes, paid mostly by businesses and which conservatives complain are inefficient and simply passed through to consumers anyway, have gone down as a share of that 20 percent. What's gone up are payroll taxes which fund programs like Medicare and Social Security that the same tea partiers were warning Obama and congressional Democrats not to touch in the same breath they were complaining about the socialist expansion of the healthcare system."

slaves to taxes.

166 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:02pm

re: #153 palomino

OK, what's currently happening on the Left that has the overt ever-present ugliness of the Tea Party Protesters?

currently?...whatever, consider the entire timeline of racism in this country

167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:08pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

Would you rather I bring up Tom Metzger?

I'd rather you stop apologizing for racist crazies!

168 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:10pm

Facts are to tea partiers as phased polaron beams are to deflector shields.
;)

169 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:23pm

re: #150 Charles

Apparently, having a historical mirror held up to the tea party movement is really difficult for some people to take.

I find it interesting how things have evolved.

170 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:55pm

re: #151 BruceKelly

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Is not the same man that ostracized the john birch society and other fringe groups from the movement? Seems almost like apples and oranges.

171 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:21pm

re: #158 GatorAtLaw

This is a joke, right?

Democrats have a stranglehold on the youth vote. The tea partiers are overwhelmingly old, white, and Christian.

Talking about the picture on the top of this thread, from the 50's.

172 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:24pm

paging Dark Falcon

173 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:39pm

re: #151 BruceKelly

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.

174 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:44pm

re: #156 sagehen

Not national office, but if you'll settle for state officials there's Ken Blackwell and Alan Keyes. There used to be a congressman (J.C. Watts), but he said they gave him crappy committee assignments and the triple C contributed nothing to his campaigns.

Ooh. Out of 300,000 million people. Impressive!

175 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:00pm

re: #163 Lidane

Which means they would have been the young, white, Christian kids in the photo at the top of this post. That's the point.


Here is the history behind the photo... re: #69 Walter L. Newton

176 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:12pm

re: #167 WindUpBird

I'd rather you stop apologizing for racist crazies!

When did I do that?

177 Ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:25pm

re: #149 Obdicut

You've missed the point.

The implication of this post (the picture and headline) is that tea party organizers and attendees are the same as people who held pro-segregation rallies not that they fail to call out the fringe elements.

If the point of the post was to suggest that tea party leaders need to call out the fringe, comparing them to proud segregationists doesn't seem to be the way to do it.

It seems quite clear to me that Charles is equating tea party organizers and supporters with segregationists not chastising them for not calling anyone out.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:26pm

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

Did you forget all the threats made to George Bush the previous 8 years? The fantasies about his assassination went past radio talk show hosts to authors who wrote books about it to movies celebrating his assassination and death.

You are like a human talking point, I love it. The meme about the movie coming back up again and again and again. A movie which isn't American, BTW, but don't let that fact stop your talking point!

179 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:00:13pm

re: #154 albusteve

Really people on this sight have been comparing the Tea Party people with the racists of the 50s since the Tea Party movement made the national scene. Its probably just more startling when someone presents a stark comparison and a photo right at the top.

180 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:00:43pm

re: #130 sagehen

well, sure. Let the old order not be maintained, next thing you know white women from Kansas are going to be breeding with Africans and who knows where that could lead. There'd be little zebra children, going to the same schools as rele murikans, running for office, they'd be everywhere. Maybe even in the White House.

//must i?

OMFG!!11eleventy!!

They were right, right about everything!

/i'm off to take a shower now, yuck.

181 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:00:51pm

re: #173 Charles

As would Goldwater I think.

182 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

I find it interesting how things have evolved.

it's not taught in the schools my kids went to...the whole history of the Civil Rights Movement is pathetically glossed over...as for myself, it is a monumental story...epic dude

183 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:01:37pm

re: #143 Charles

You know, I've been thinking about that. I'm here in Nashville (well, outside of Nashville actually) and the Tea Party stuff is pretty active here. I've stayed away because 1) I don't want the stench of the batshit insanity on me, and 2) I got pretty deeply into a divisive local political issue a couple of years ago; my kids took some harassing at school for things that I said in the local paper and I don't want them getting ridiculed because someone got a picture of me standing within 10 feet of kookburger.

But some friends of mine, who I know not to be batshit crazy, go to these things and report back that it's just a spirited lower tax/smaller gov kind of vibe, with a few kookburgers thrown in here and there. Guess I need to see for myself.

184 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:01pm

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

Did you forget all the threats made to George Bush the previous 8 years? The fantasies about his assassination went past radio talk show hosts to authors who wrote books about it to movies celebrating his assassination and death.

If we tell you enough times, will it sink in that that was a British movie?

185 palomino  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:07pm

re: #99 captdiggs

Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.

But do you think Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or even Bush want ANYTHING to do with the teabaggers?

186 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:09pm

re: #173 Charles

William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.

As David Frum has, apparently.

187 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:21pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

hahaha EVERY THREAD

EVERY SINGLE THREAD

The Byrd thing being thrown up by you brain surgeons, it's as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode and as weak as watered down mayonnaise.

This is the same lizard who, when discussing Byrd, asked if anyone could name an elected GOP Klan member...accidentally forgetting this guy:

Image: david_duke_kkk.jpg

188 Radical Rafe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:33pm

re: #160 WindUpBird

Who are you calling an apologist? Me? Why?

189 Lidane  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:36pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Here is the history behind the photo... re: #69 Walter L. Newton

That's interesting and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that there's a solid chance that many of the same younger folks in the photo at the top of this post are now the older folks who are leading and/or organizing Tea Party demonstrations.

190 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:40pm

re: #170 Uninformed Opinion

Is not the same man that ostracized the john birch society and other fringe groups from the movement? Seems almost like apples and oranges.

Just answering the question.

191 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:47pm

re: #185 palomino

But do you think Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or even Bush want ANYTHING to do with the teabaggers?

I haven't seen any of those folks say anything at all in support of these tea-parties. Not one.

192 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:57pm

re: #183 Radical Rafe

You know, I've been thinking about that. I'm here in Nashville (well, outside of Nashville actually) and the Tea Party stuff is pretty active here. I've stayed away because 1) I don't want the stench of the batshit insanity on me, and 2) I got pretty deeply into a divisive local political issue a couple of years ago; my kids took some harassing at school for things that I said in the local paper and I don't want them getting ridiculed because someone got a picture of me standing within 10 feet of kookburger.

But some friends of mine, who I know not to be batshit crazy, go to these things and report back that it's just a spirited lower tax/smaller gov kind of vibe, with a few kookburgers thrown in here and there. Guess I need to see for myself.

It would be better if you didn't. The whole tea party is full of bat shit crazy people from what I can see.

193 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:03:08pm

re: #177 Ferris

Racism is absolutely everywhere in the tea party movement.

Birthers. Ron Paul. The John Birch Society.

These are the organizers.

So yes, I am indeed comparing the tea parties of today with what you see above.

They come from the same atavistic darkness.

194 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:03:54pm

re: #167 WindUpBird

I'd rather you stop apologizing for racist crazies!

To be fair, I have never seen him do that...just play the tu quoque card.

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

When did I do that?


Every time it's brought up that Tea Partiers are doing crazy stuff, organizing under racists, becoming increasingly radicalized, out you come with the predictable limp-dick tu quoque about a Democrat. Every single time. Like a jack in the box. You're throwing up chaff, you're desparately trying to distract, you're advocating for these people. "Look over there! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

196 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:56pm

re: #189 Lidane

That's interesting and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that there's a solid chance that many of the same younger folks in the photo at the top of this post are now the older folks who are leading and/or organizing Tea Party demonstrations.

When did I ever say anything about anyone in the picture, about who is older now, about what ever you are talking about? I was giving you some back ground about the picture and the incident at which it was taken at.

What are you talking about?

197 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:57pm

re: #189 Lidane

That's interesting and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that there's a solid chance that many of the same younger folks in the photo at the top of this post are now the older folks who are leading and/or organizing Tea Party demonstrations.

maybe, maybe not...what's the point? that parents teach their children to be racist? everywhere, every time?

198 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:58pm

Watch this and tell me that racism is not systemic and a strategic pillar in the Republican Party.

199 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:10pm

well you may agree with em or you may call em crazy, but a whole lot of folks as pretty darn angry at the way that things are & I don't see any way that no slick blog talkers are gonna be changin that.

200 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:17pm

Sorry, its just replaying a conversation I had today. Almost perfectly.

201 Lidane  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:26pm

re: #181 Rightwingconspirator

As would Goldwater I think.

Goldwater would have been throwing verbal bricks at these people. I think he would have called himself a RINO if being a Republican meant aligning with the far right lunatics like the Birchers.

202 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #173 Charles

William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.

True, a shame, but true.

203 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:38pm

re: #159 captdiggs

"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]

Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.

Yeah, because a few years before he said that, an Illinois state legislator absolutely would have been getting coffee for the President and a six-term Senator.

(that's if he even said it -- "someone says that Kennedy told him that Clinton had said..." at a time when Kennedy had a brain tumor and who knows if he accurately heard and repeated the conversation)

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:05pm

re: #119 ferris

Wow, that's a pretty dishonest comparison.

Let's see, the photo appears to be of pro-segregation march. In other words, a protest designed to advocated for that specific goal.

The stated purpose of the tea parties is opposition to high levels of government spending.

Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?

I guess according to your logic, if a pro-Israel group holds a rally and enough people holding "Killing The Muslim" signs show up, the pro-Israel group is presumed to be holding not a pro-Israel march but a pro Muslim murder march.

Interesting way to look at things.

I think you've made a wrong turn, freerepublic is thataway. Just head towards the filled diaper smell.

205 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:21pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Sounds like good advice, I'll give it another watch when my focus is better.

206 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:28pm

Tea party organizers circulated a photo of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose.

These are the organizers.

207 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:29pm

re: #172 albusteve

paging Dark Falcon

I'm here. What's up?

208 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:44pm

re: #195 WindUpBird

Every time it's brought up that Tea Partiers are doing crazy stuff, organizing under racists, becoming increasingly radicalized, out you come with the predictable limp-dick tu quoque about a Democrat. Every single time. Like a jack in the box. You're throwing up chaff, you're desparately trying to distract, you're advocating for these people. "Look over there! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:52pm

re: #159 captdiggs

"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]

Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.

Another apologist.

210 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:55pm

re: #190 BruceKelly

Just answering the question.

re: #200 Uninformed Opinion

Sorry, its just replaying a conversation I had today. Almost perfectly.

missed the quote button.

211 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:07:08pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

I'm here. What's up?

wait one...got a cool vid for you

212 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:07:21pm

re: #179 Escaped Hillbilly

Really people on this sight have been comparing the Tea Party people with the racists of the 50s since the Tea Party movement made the national scene. Its probably just more startling when someone presents a stark comparison and a photo right at the top.

To be honest, I feel sorry for some of the Tea Party members. Some, perhaps most are not racists, although many of the organizers are. Many seem to be following a sense of misplaced patriotism, truly believing voices like Beck that have convinced them the country is in danger and they must "save" it.
They feel isolated, convinced that the world they know is heading to hell in a hand cart and they must stop it. I don't agree with that, but watching a few hours of some idiots on the far right, I understand their confusion.

213 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:07:34pm

Hold on. Lets stop the partisan bullshit one second. Just look at the shot and ponder how far we have come as a culture, warts and all. We have a black President, a woman SecState, and a real fight on over gay rights in the military and marriage. Call out the fringe, show the racists up, and then take some joy from how far we have come. Use that energy to sideline the fringe and we have real progress.

214 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:08:31pm

re: #213 Rightwingconspirator

Hold on. Lets stop the partisan bullshit one second. Just look at the shot and ponder how far we have come as a culture, warts and all. We have a black President, a woman SecState, and a real fight on over gay rights in the military and marriage. Call out the fringe, show the racists up, and then take some joy from how far we have come. Use that energy to sideline the fringe and we have real progress.

Maybe you should be telling the GOP to "sideline the fringe." Because they're doing the exact opposite, and encouraging this insanity.

215 Ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:08:43pm

re: #193 Charles

Well, I appreciate your honesty in saying that.

I didn't doubt that's what you were getting at but it seems a couple of people thought it was about trying to get organizers to distance themselves from (what I, as a non tea party goer consider to be) the fringe elements.

216 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:17pm

re: #173 Charles

William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.

Yes he would. Damn shame. It's why his son Chris has bolted.

I'd like to see the R's as the Loyal Opposition, but all they are is the Freak Show. They've got nothing in the way of alternatives. It's just no, no, no.

Pitiful. Where are their ideas to address the problems that beset this country?

Maybe their spend and not tax policies are to blame? Maybe their regulatory oversight policies didn't work well with banks and derivatives? Maybe, based on their legislative policies over most of the last sixteen years when they generally had control of Congress, they screwed the pooch? In any case, this country's long term economy is in deep trouble. If we don't build a new industrial base on manufacturing green energy machines, we will be pooched.

217 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:18pm

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.

The problem is that the racists are far more numerous and influential within the Republican Party. I do not like this, but it is a fact.

218 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:41pm

re: #215 Ferris

Well, I appreciate your honesty in saying that.

I didn't doubt that's what you were getting at but it seems a couple of people thought it was about trying to get organizers to distance themselves from (what I, as a non tea party goer consider to be) the fringe elements.

The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe. They are the fringe.

219 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:59pm

re: #132 Lidane

Most of them I have seen in person are old retirees with white hair who carry signs that say something along the lines of "Keep your socialized government fingers away from my medicare benefits." (without seeing any irony in that statement at all unfortunately)

They are old fixed income retirees who are always concerned about anything that might raise prices for them in the least, I don't blame them for that. I just blame the people who have been blatantly telling them lies or purposefully distorting the truth everyday about what this insurance reform bill would mean or do to/for them.

220 GatorAtLaw  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:06pm

re: #163 Lidane

Which means they would have been the young, white, Christian kids in the photo at the top of this post. That's the point.

Whoops. I misunderstood.

221 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:12pm

re: #212 avanti

To be honest, I feel sorry for some of the Tea Party members. Some, perhaps most are not racists, although many of the organizers are. Many seem to be following a sense of misplaced patriotism, truly believing voices like Beck that have convinced them the country is in danger and they must "save" it.
They feel isolated, convinced that the world they know is heading to hell in a hand cart and they must stop it. I don't agree with that, but watching a few hours of some idiots on the far right, I understand their confusion.

Agreed.

I know some decent folks who seem to be hypnotized by the TP movement. I just want to shake some sense into them. There are other more appropriate ways to protest Obama's policies.

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:21pm

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.

You're a ridiculous apologist. A tulpa made of nothing but tu quoque. A weak mind. Enjoy your devotion to carrying water for bigots, I hope someday you figure out you don't have to anymore. I hope one day the blind tribalism scales fall from your eyes and you actually see this vileness for what it is, and clean your party up before it becomes a gangrenous shell of its former self.

I won't be holding my breath.

223 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:22pm

The GOP has embraced the fringe with nary a peep from its most powerful leaders...

224 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:24pm

re: #218 Charles

The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe. They are the fringe.

Then they are not the fringe, they are the core of the movement.

225 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:46pm

re: #214 Charles

Sorry that is who I meant. I have been seen posting "Cut The Fringe™" a few times here.

226 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:52pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

You're a ridiculous apologist. A tulpa made of nothing but tu quoque. A weak mind. Enjoy your devotion to carrying water for bigots, I hope someday you figure out you don't have to anymore. I hope one day the blind tribalism scales fall from your eyes and you actually see this vileness for what it is, and clean your party up before it becomes a gangrenous shell of its former self.

I won't be holding my breath.

Please... please... hold your breath.

227 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:11:26pm


War


- Bob Marley
228 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:11:36pm

re: #206 Charles

Tea party organizers circulated a photo of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose.

These are the organizers.

Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?

229 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:10pm

re: #228 brookly red

Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?

I don't see where you are going.

230 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:23pm

re: #228 brookly red

Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?

I don't.
???

231 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:26pm

re: #211 albusteve


the Stones peaking on the Bridges to Babylon tour...I consider this about as good as these guys can get...Richards is awesome in this red hot version of Gimme Shelter...smokin, but you decide

232 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:31pm

re: #228 brookly red

Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?

No, I don't. Why don't you spell it out for me?

233 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:44pm

re: #184 sagehen

If we tell you enough times, will it sink in that that was a British movie?

I thought it was Canadian.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:00pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that the racists are far more numerous and influential within the Republican Party. I do not like this, but it is a fact.

Like I said, there is racism in both parties. Saying 'Your side has more racists than my side.' isn't going to fix the problem. Call them out, expose them, and let everyone see who they are. Racism was a big problem in the Democrat primaries if you remember correctly.

235 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:12pm

re: #228 brookly red

Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?

No. Where are you going?

236 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:17pm

re: #233 BruceKelly

I thought it was Canadian.

I thought it was Albanian?

237 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:17pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

I don't see where you are going.

I don't either

238 Ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:31pm

Hey look...Obama didn't denounce a group called "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama"

Not only did he not denounce them, he hosted their page on his campaign website.

According to the logic of this post Obama is...a Marxist. And a socialist. And a communist.

Granted there are some internal contradictions to being all of those things at once but there you have it!

239 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:35pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

I thought it was Albanian?

Klingon.

240 Lidane  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:05pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that the racists are far more numerous and influential within the Republican Party. I do not like this, but it is a fact.

This is the key point.

I don't think anyone has ever denied there are racial tensions on the left. All you have to do is look at the 2008 primary race between Obama and Clinton for that.

The problem isn't the existence of racial tensions. Those will always exist regardless of party affiliation or ideology. The problem is the active exploitation and manipulation of those racial tensions by some very influential people on the right, whether it's to boost ratings, raise cash, or otherwise pander to the fringes in order to secure their jobs.

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:12pm

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Like I said, there is racism in both parties. Saying 'Your side has more racists than my side.' isn't going to fix the problem. Call them out, expose them, and let everyone see who they are. Racism was a big problem in the Democrat primaries if you remember correctly.

And that is what Charles is doing.

242 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:13pm

re: #173 Charles

William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.

Yes, we Republicans have moved on and found a new intellectual giant to espouse our cause to the millions of uninformed out there.

Behold, Rush Limbaugh! Our ticket to 21st century dominance of...uhh...stupidity?

243 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:31pm

re: #228 brookly red

well do you see where I am going?

I know I don't.

244 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:53pm

re: #201 Lidane

Goldwater would have been throwing verbal bricks at these people. I think he would have called himself a RINO if being a Republican meant aligning with the far right lunatics like the Birchers.

Goldwater was *extremely* critical of the religious right. He was also pro-choice, and in favor of gays openly serving in the military ("you don't have to be straight to shoot straight").

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:01pm

re: #240 Lidane

This is the key point.

I don't think anyone has ever denied there are racial tensions on the left. All you have to do is look at the 2008 primary race between Obama and Clinton for that.

The problem isn't the existence of racial tensions. Those will always exist regardless of party affiliation or ideology. The problem is the active exploitation and manipulation of those racial tensions by some very influential people on the right, whether it's to boost ratings, raise cash, or otherwise pander to the fringes in order to secure their jobs.

Quoted for truth.

246 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:13pm

re: #221 Racer X

Agreed.

I know some decent folks who seem to be hypnotized by the TP movement. I just want to shake some sense into them. There are other more appropriate ways to protest Obama's policies.

I can't tell you the number of times I've tried to engage some conservatives and all I hear are reruns of the Glenn Beck show. Those on the right and the left for that matter, need to step out of the echo chamber and do some homework on the issues.

247 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:22pm

re: #238 Ferris

Stage 1 : Denial.

248 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:26pm

Stop this train, I'm leaving...


I have NO patience with the Tea Party.
249 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:44pm

re: #218 Charles

The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe. They are the fringe.

It wouldn't be the first time the rank and file had to toss out the organizers to clean up an organization. I'd like to see it happen. Unfortunately, I fear I am doomed to be disappointed again.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:48pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

I believe the proper label is Dixiecrats.

The Dixiecrats were pretty much dead after the '48 election, it was kind of a one-shot deal.

251 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:24pm

re: #228 brookly red

Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?

All I know is that the OP shows bigots using "techniques" (i.e. communism, antichrist, bible bs) to stir the pot. The same techniques that are being used today. I thought the comparison was apt and shocking...

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:32pm

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Like I said, there is racism in both parties. Saying 'Your side has more racists than my side.' isn't going to fix the problem. Call them out, expose them, and let everyone see who they are. Racism was a big problem in the Democrat primaries if you remember correctly.

I just can't help but notice you'd rather talk about one old dem senator, or one off the cuff remark from another dem senator, anything except actually discussing the matter at hand.

253 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:39pm

re: #233 BruceKelly

I thought it was Canadian.

It premiered at the Toronto film fest. I think that's why it seems to get labeled as Canadian.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:45pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

See my re: #69 Walter L. Newton

No, no, I got that. I meant what the current protests are about.

255 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:56pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

You're a ridiculous apologist. A tulpa made of nothing but tu quoque. A weak mind. Enjoy your devotion to carrying water for bigots, I hope someday you figure out you don't have to anymore. I hope one day the blind tribalism scales fall from your eyes and you actually see this vileness for what it is, and clean your party up before it becomes a gangrenous shell of its former self.

I won't be holding my breath.

I am a member of neither party.

Calling me an apologist for racists is a vile comment on your part. Go fuck yourself.

256 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:59pm

re: #232 Charles

No, I don't. Why don't you spell it out for me?

well I think that both photos were presented with the intent to cause an emotional reaction... I don't think that the witch doctor photo accurately represents Obama, do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?

257 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:17:22pm

there is an element of institutionalized racism in this country...it's never been to far under the surface, it's very opportunistic and has reared it's ugly head through the years whenever the climate is ripe....history has shown that racism is bipartisan....there is a certain and sure connection between this picture Charles has posted and the GOP today...it's folly to deny it...racism transcends party affiliation

258 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:17:48pm

re: #256 brookly red

do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?


I do. It's pretty plain to me.

259 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:18:26pm

Jeez, this is just getting interesting and I have to get some kip. Goodnight sweet Lizards! Sweet dreams to all. See you tomorrow!

260 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:18:28pm

Upon further review-Telling the GOP to purge the racists is talking to the fingers in ears "lalala" crowd. A bit like reporting abuse to the Vatican. As an ex Repub, they are not exactly waiting for my advice.

I'm calling on my fellow independent voters to help Cut The Fringe™

261 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:19:24pm

Step back a bit. Now step back a bit farther.

The U.S. is fresh off a very unpopular war, with another still going on. The economy very nearly took a fatal nosedive - we are extremely lucky we are not in a full blown depression. Unemployment is only at 13%.

People just had the shit scared out of them when it comes to the economic future of the country. China is kicking our ass in more ways than one. Global warming is scaring people to death.

Yeah, Americans are a little freaked out right now, and many are just not thinking clearly. They are falling for the scare mongering being propagated by those who are no longer in power.

We will rebound and America will be strong and united again. Everybody just needs to chill out a little bit - especially some knuckleheads on the right.

262 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:19:48pm

re: #249 Escaped Hillbilly

It wouldn't be the first time the rank and file had to toss out the organizers to clean up an organization. I'd like to see it happen. Unfortunately, I fear I am doomed to be disappointed again.

True, but look what happens if someone on the right speaks out just a bit. Show me one guy on the right that stood up to the insanity without being tossed under the bus.
If anything, it's getting worse, the leaders in the GOP are supporting the fringes knowing it's a growing part of the base.

263 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:20:42pm

re: #258 Killgore Trout

I do. It's pretty plain to me.

I don't remember asking you.

264 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:02pm

re: #258 Killgore Trout

I do. It's pretty plain to me.

I do too, altho I don't think it's fair to indict children in this picture as proponents of racism within the GOP now...we don't know who's in that picture

265 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:03pm

re: #257 albusteve

racism transcends party affiliation

Upding! Racism belongs to no party but infests them all.

266 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:08pm

re: #262 avanti

True, but look what happens if someone on the right speaks out just a bit. Show me one guy on the right that stood up to the insanity without being tossed under the bus.
If anything, it's getting worse, the leaders in the GOP are supporting the fringes knowing it's a growing part of the base.

I was convinced the GOP would have huge gains in 2010, now, I'm not too sure...

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:16pm

re: #111 NJDhockeyfan

Are you sure they aren't Robert Byrd's campaign entourage?

You know, they could be. Or they could be Thurmond's, and all of them jumped party a few years down the road.

WTF is this about?

268 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:28pm

Both the segregationists and the integrators, were democrats, apparently;

Woodrow Mays, the mayor of Little Rock, asked for help from U.S. Marshalls. He was accompanied by Arkansas Representative Brooks Hays (D). When they were not able to secure the help that they needed from the Marshalls, they approached President Eisenhower directly. Rep. Hays' role in seeking federal assistance infuriated fellow Democrats. This cost him in his bid for re-election to the House of Representatives in 1958, when he lost to fellow Democrat, Dale Alford (who was backed by Faubus supporters and allies) .

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:43pm

re: #256 brookly red

do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?

Yes.

it does.

270 BreezeCJ  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:56pm

Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.

271 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:03pm

re: #258 Killgore Trout

And look at the source of ideas/slogans that the Tea Partiers are mining:

JBS - what decade are they from?
Joe McCarthy - what decade was he in?

The Tea Party movement is clearly atavistic in nature, which is why the 1950's photo is not out of line.

Movements always have roots - they don't just drop out of the sky. Some people/groups transcend, or at least attempt to transcend, the worst characteristics of their ancestry. However, the current "Tea Party" or "True Conservative" or "Patriot" movements appear to be doing the opposite - they are actively mining elements of our past - elements many Americans threw off and discarded.

272 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:05pm

Here are the words to The Melting Pot by Blue Mink:

Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy
Oh like a Curly Latin kinkies
Oh Lordy, Lordy, mixed with yellow Chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

Rabbis and the friars
Vishnus and the gurus
We got the Beatles or the Sun God
Well it really doesn't matter what religion you choose
And be thankful little Mrs. Graceful
You know that livin' could be tasteful
We should all get together in a lovin machine
I think I'll call up the queen
It' s only fair that she knows, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

* * * * * *

Good night all.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:07pm

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

Upding! Racism belongs to no party but infests them all.

Keep the tu quoque alive!

274 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:18pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

I thought it was Albanian?

Oh no, Definitely not. Albanians love Bush.

275 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:39pm

re: #246 avanti

I can't tell you the number of times I've tried to engage some conservatives and all I hear are reruns of the Glenn Beck show. Those on the right and the left for that matter, need to step out of the echo chamber and do some homework on the issues.

I hear ya.

I've lost count of the number of emails I've responded to (reply all) refuting some stupid Tea Party notion or another. I think I've at least made some people think. It's gonna take a while - emotions are real high still.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:55pm

re: #114 ausador

Dixiecrats perhaps, maybe, there is some slight chance of that. Democrats?...Uhh...no, I don't think so.

Actually, I'm almost sure they are, given the time and place of the photo. More importantly, what they are, is people getting in the way of their society out of fear and bigotry, a tendency that crosses all party lines.

277 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:56pm

re: #231 albusteve

the Stones peaking on the Bridges to Babylon tour...I consider this about as good as these guys can get...Richards is awesome in this red hot version of Gimme Shelter...smokin, but you decide


[Video]

Yep, smokin.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:23:00pm

re: #270 BreezeCJ

Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.

Stacy McCain would love to have you, scooter.

279 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:23:38pm

re: #266 Varek Raith

I was convinced the GOP would have huge gains in 2010, now, I'm not too sure...

I fear they will make huge gains by embracing the crazy, it has worked before.

280 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:23:47pm

re: #256 brookly red

well I think that both photos were presented with the intent to cause an emotional reaction... I don't think that the witch doctor photo accurately represents Obama, do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?

Yes, this photo is a mirror image of what is going on today.

If you took out the words "race mixing" from those signs, you could easily find exact duplicates in tea party signs from this year. And yes, even the "Antichrist" garbage is widespread on the far right.

I've posted dozens of pictures of these signs, and posted many entries about the connections of the organizers to racist groups. Apparently you missed all of those.

281 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:01pm

re: #279 avanti

I fear they will make huge gains by embracing the crazy, it has worked before.

Twilight Zone, this is.

282 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:12pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

Upding, for "Scooter" and more!
(GAH! I updinged WUB!)
What is the world coming to?
(Not the first time, either)

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:22pm

re: #119 ferris

Wow, that's a pretty dishonest comparison.

Let's see, the photo appears to be of pro-segregation march. In other words, a protest designed to advocated for that specific goal.

The stated purpose of the tea parties is opposition to high levels of government spending.

Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?

I guess according to your logic, if a pro-Israel group holds a rally and enough people holding "Killing The Muslim" signs show up, the pro-Israel group is presumed to be holding not a pro-Israel march but a pro Muslim murder march.

Interesting way to look at things.

I'm sure you held exactly this position when Charles was posting pictures of horrible signs at anti-war rallies, right?

If not, why not?

284 Lidane  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:38pm

re: #268 swamprat

Old meme.

Racism and racial tensions will always transcend ideology and political party. The problem is that we're seeing those tensions being actively exploited by very powerful people in order to boost ratings, raise cash, etc. That's what we need to confront head on.

285 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:46pm

re: #3 marjoriemoon

"Race Mixing is Communism"

Oh dear...

Well, if anti-racemixing is fascism, then racemixing must be communism. Just like if something isn't red, it must be green.

Logic. Don't ya love it?

286 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:50pm

re: #270 BreezeCJ

Everyone step back.

I see Stinky with an axe.

287 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:53pm

re: #277 Bagua

Yep, smokin.

Quite Concur.

288 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:26pm

re: #268 swamprat

Both the segregationists and the integrators, were democrats, apparently;

Woodrow Mays, the mayor of Little Rock, asked for help from U.S. Marshalls. He was accompanied by Arkansas Representative Brooks Hays (D). When they were not able to secure the help that they needed from the Marshalls, they approached President Eisenhower(republican) directly. Rep. Hays' role in seeking federal assistance infuriated fellow Democrats. This cost him in his bid for re-election to the House of Representatives in 1958, when he lost to fellow Democrat, Dale Alford (who was backed by Faubus supporters and allies) .

289 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #286 Racer X

Everyone step back.

I see Stinky with an axe.

Vorpal Blade.

290 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:44pm

Flushing them out.

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:47pm

re: #122 recusancy

Or point to the .05% of the tea partiers who aren't white and say, "look we have black people!".

If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.

I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.

292 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:13pm

re: #269 WindUpBird

Yes.

it does.

I'm not so sure it's that simple...there was racism then and there is racism now...that part is true, but that's all that can be gleaned from the picture...the pendulum swings both ways as you well know

293 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:19pm

re: #270 BreezeCJ

Charles has dropped the hammer on this troll. Time for some late-night troll burgers!

294 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:47pm

Speaking of the rightwing nut-o-sphere, the newswires keep offering up plenty of material. From today:

Man asks grand jury to indict Obama

A Monroe County, Tenn., man who was arrested after authorities said he barged in on the county grand jury and demanded an indictment of President Barack Obama was freed on bond Tuesday, records show.

Walter Francis Fitzpatrick contends that President Obama is an illegal alien whose real name is Barry Soetoro.

In what he labeled an "affidavit of criminal complaint" and took to the Monroe County court clerk's office on Friday, Mr. Fitzpatrick wrote that "individuals named below are hereby declared domestic enemies of The (sic) United States of America in commission of treason."

In addition to President Obama, local officials and District Attorney Steve Bebb, he also names members of the president's cabinet, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joe Biden.

When the Fitzpatrick story first broke the usual suspects on the 'net rushed to his aid. Now we know why. Well, he's out on bail now and eventually will be tried. It ought to make for an interesting trial if it goes before a jury.

295 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:56pm

re: #270 BreezeCJ

Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.

So, how do you see the Tea Party movement?

296 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:58pm

Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:11pm

re: #132 Lidane

I feel the same way, and I don't like it.

I hate having that tiny little voice in the back of my head that is genuinely scared for the man and his family. I mean, I always had a sense that the first minority President was going to face some ugly reactions from some folks, but what I've seen lately has gone above and beyond all that to a very worrying degree.

When I look at the tea party stuff, I know instinctively that not every person there is a racist asshole. I'd say that most are just angry and scared, especially after losing their jobs or their homes, or both. However, they're being manipulated and exploited by people who ARE racist assholes, or who have a vested interest in playing on their anxieties and fears, and in raising racial tensions,whether it's to boost ratings for their talk shows, sell books, or raise money for their pet causes.

Once the mainstream right starts doing that, it gives the racist extremists cover. They can hide in plain sight, bringing their offensive signs, shouting slurs at members of Congress and all that. When someone points out those offensive signs or actions, the same folks who have a vested interest in stoking these tensions for ratings or cash start whining about broad brushes and stereotypes and enemy plants, so nothing changes and the tensions continue. It's a never-ending clusterfuck that should never have started in the first place.

I just keep reminding myself that whoever is President is always in some danger, and that the Secret Service is very, very good at what they do.

Also, I drink a lot.

298 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:13pm

re: #292 albusteve

I'm not so sure it's that simple...there was racism then and there is racism now...that part is true, but that's all that can be gleaned from the picture...the pendulum swings both ways as you well know

And the dems have purged the racists and are now the party of minorities. Now it's the gop's turn no?

299 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:17pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.

I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.

OK now I agree.

300 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:31pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure you held exactly this position when Charles was posting pictures of horrible signs at anti-war rallies, right?

If not, why not?

Point!

301 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:31pm

re: #281 Varek Raith

Twilight Zone, this is.

Just step out of this blog for a moment and read about "dream" tickets. Beck/Bachman for example.

302 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:42pm

re: #270 BreezeCJ

Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.

to deny racism in the GOP now is even assier

303 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:49pm

re: #256 brookly red

well I think that both photos were presented with the intent to cause an emotional reaction... I don't think that the witch doctor photo accurately represents Obama, do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?

If you took a single person from this photo, and compared them to certain single people at Tea Party rallies, then yes, the sentiment is the same. Racism.

If the photo above is suppose to be representative of EVERYONE at a Tea Party rally, then no, I don't agree that this photo honestly represents most Tea Party rallies.

ALL the people in this photo have be rallied together by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to protest the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. ALL the people in this photo are at this rally for the expressed reason that they are racist.

I have yet to see a picture of a Tea Party rally where the expressed reason for the people to be there was to protest favorably for racism, even though we have proof that there are racist at those rallies.

304 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:55pm

re: #296 Charles

Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.

I can't wait to see the blogosphere's response...

///

305 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:56pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.

I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.

Uh ... Michael Steele?

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:19pm

re: #147 Escaped Hillbilly

I have made a decision to attend the next tea party event that I can. Don't know when/where that will be. But I wish to see with my own eyes and make my own judgments. I may well attempt some type of sign count or other study for my own interest. I also wonder if/how often the rank and file attempt to correct those around them that are stepping over the decency line with Obama=Hitler signs and such. I'd like to observe and try to document.

Take pictures!

307 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:20pm

re: #280 Charles

Yes, this photo is a mirror image of what is going on today.

If you took out the words "race mixing" from those signs, you could easily find exact duplicates in tea party signs from this year. And yes, even the "Antichrist" garbage is widespread on the far right.

I've posted dozens of pictures of these signs, and posted many entries about the connections of the organizers to racist groups. Apparently you missed all of those.

OK, I asked for your opinion & you gave it to me. Noted and logged Sir, I have no further questions. Thank you for you honesty.

308 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:43pm

re: #296 Charles

Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.

It's basically lowering an agitator into the fever swamp. The trolls leap out screaming, until they get clue batted. They're like Silver Carp, only uglier.

309 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:47pm

Hey kids. Looks like a fun time is being had by all. Feeling a bit better tonight. Still sad, but life is bigger than our momentary experiences. God is still good. Glad to see last night's troll got devoured. Remember to take your antacids before you eat any racists. They cause some serious heartburn. They can really **** up your digestive tract. Keep up your good work Charles. This stupid shit needs to stop pronto.

310 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:55pm

re: #296 Charles

There has got to be a lot of this stuff out there. It's a sewer mans kind of job to dig it up but images of racism of the era must be out there all over the place. Newspaper and police archives etc. Telling images.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:29:07pm

re: #149 Obdicut

No fucking pro-Israel group would allow anyone holding signs advocating killing Muslims. They would be cast out righteously.

That is the goddamn difference.

I've been with groups that have had to do that. And they do, up to and including getting help from the police.

312 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:29:18pm

re: #284 Lidane

Old meme.

Racism and racial tensions will always transcend ideology and political party. The problem is that we're seeing those tensions being actively exploited by very powerful people in order to boost ratings, raise cash, etc. That's what we need to confront head on.

Yes, The republicans are failing to denounce the racists in their ranks because they don't want to lose the votes!
They are not taking any moral stands. They are stumping for votes.

313 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #290 Charles

Damn it, I wanted to practice! You're too fast!
(It's a good thing, I'm just frustrated!)

314 Girth  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:30:20pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

Where have you gone, J. C. Watts, a party turns its lonely eyes to you, woo woo woo....

In 2008, Watts announced he was developing a cable news network with the help of Comcast, focusing on a black audience,[42] and that he considered voting for Barack Obama, criticizing the Republican party for not practicing outreach to the black community.[43] Reports showed he contributed to John McCain, but not to Obama.[44]

Watts considered running to succeed Brad Henry as Governor of Oklahoma in the 2010 gubernatorial election,[45] but declined in May 2009, citing his business and contractual obligations.[46]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

315 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:30:31pm

re: #296 Charles

Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.

yeah, but not the right nerve for some folks, apparently.

316 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:30:37pm

This whole Tea Party movement has been a real eye-opener for me...
Disappointed, I am.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:11pm

re: #157 WindUpBird

Bush: not racist

GOP southern strategy: racist

tea-party base primarying mainstream republicans: racist.

Do you understand yet?

Bush, pace Kanye West, had an excellent personal track record on race. Dude was deaf to the dogwhistles.

Sadly, one man can't fix everything, and he had some other stuff to worry about during his term.

318 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:16pm

re: #296 Charles

Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.

it should...fucking people are so desensitized and ignorant of the past...their nerves need to be struck

319 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:17pm

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

If you took a single person from this photo, and compared them to certain single people at Tea Party rallies, then yes, the sentiment is the same. Racism.

If the photo above is suppose to be representative of EVERYONE at a Tea Party rally, then no, I don't agree that this photo honestly represents most Tea Party rallies.

ALL the people in this photo have be rallied together by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to protest the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. ALL the people in this photo are at this rally for the expressed reason that they are racist.

I have yet to see a picture of a Tea Party rally where the expressed reason for the people to be there was to protest favorably for racism, even though we have proof that there are racist at those rallies.

Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.

320 avanti  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:29pm

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

If you took a single person from this photo, and compared them to certain single people at Tea Party rallies, then yes, the sentiment is the same. Racism.

If the photo above is suppose to be representative of EVERYONE at a Tea Party rally, then no, I don't agree that this photo honestly represents most Tea Party rallies.

ALL the people in this photo have be rallied together by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to protest the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. ALL the people in this photo are at this rally for the expressed reason that they are racist.

I have yet to see a picture of a Tea Party rally where the expressed reason for the people to be there was to protest favorably for racism, even though we have proof that there are racist at those rallies.

I agree with that, but can we agree that many of the organizers are in fact racist, even accepting the given that not all the attendees are aware of that ?

321 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:40pm

re: #313 Floral Giraffe

Damn it, I wanted to practice! You're too fast!
(It's a good thing, I'm just frustrated!)

You're just frustrated...I quit smoking a week ago (cold turkey BTW) and my nerves are fried. I haven't cheated once! :)

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:46pm

re: #159 captdiggs

"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]

Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.

You think that quote by Clinton is racist? Oh, brother.

323 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:52pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.

I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.

Not an African American, I think this was sort of the game plan for Bobby Jindal until his disastrous national debut speech.

324 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:08pm

re: #316 Varek Raith

It's driven me to the point where I now will refuse to vote for anyone with (R) after their name unless I know that they have in some way tried to refute the nonsense those in ascendance in the GOP are spewing.

325 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:19pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

I think the next big rally or protest might be May Day. I'm looking to document that this year if I can get to a big event. See what perspective that provides.

326 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:19pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

Take pictures!


Well yeah! Don't know when it's gonna happen though. It occurs to me that the reason rallies and demonstrations are full of the young and unemployed or the old and retired is...time.

327 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:33pm

re: #319 brookly red

Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.

Oh My God! You killed Kenny!

328 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:38pm

re: #305 Charles

Uh ... Michael Steele?

Not young, not good-looking, and not a rising star.

But other than that, sure.

329 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:51pm

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

You're just frustrated...I quit smoking a week ago (cold turkey BTW) and my nerves are fried. I haven't cheated once! :)

CONGRATULATIONS on quitting.
Jealous here.
Keep it up.
Just one, is a problem..

330 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:55pm

re: #323 bratwurst

Not an African American, I think this was sort of the game plan for Bobby Jindal until his disastrous national debut speech.

Stupid volcanoes and their constant need form monitoring!

331 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:36pm

re: #298 recusancy

And the dems have purged the racists and are now the party of minorities. Now it's the gop's turn no?

no party can purge racists...maybe it's genetic...the GOP at present is actually flaunting their racism, just like the democrats did years ago...it will never end

332 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:39pm

re: #330 Varek Raith

Stupid volcanoes and their constant need form monitoring!


Preview hates me.

333 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:47pm

It's amazing to me that every single time I post something like this, we have to start all over again from square one, as if the last year and a half never happened.

334 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:54pm

re: #320 avanti

I agree with that, but can we agree that many of the organizers are in fact racist, even accepting the given that not all the attendees are aware of that ?

I never said they weren't, for a matter of fact, I have agreed over and over that there are racist among the leadership of the Tea Parties. You can't even find me saying anything otherwise. But I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party.

335 JustWonderful  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:56pm

re: #319 brookly red

Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.

Ideological hatred is passed from one generation to the next. I fail to see your point.

336 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:58pm

re: #328 sagehen

Not young, not good-looking, and not a rising star.

But other than that, sure.

Sometimes you have to work with what is on hand...

337 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:09pm

re: #279 avanti

No, I think the GOP will make some gains by the rotten economy, and with these gains we will unfortunately get more of Teh Crazy in congress.

God help us.

Mane Nobiscum, Domine, Quoniam Advseperacit


Good Night All

338 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:12pm

So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?

339 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:18pm

re: #327 Racer X

Oh My God! You killed Kenny!

Well I could post some pictures of Germans 60 years ago... but I kinda think most have changed.

340 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:21pm

re: #325 Rightwingconspirator

I think the next big rally or protest might be May Day. I'm looking to document that this year if I can get to a big event. See what perspective that provides.

Nope, it'll be April 15th.
Tax Day.
It's being promoted all over the place.
Gonna be ugly, as far as I can tell.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:34pm

re: #170 Uninformed Opinion

Is not the same man that ostracized the john birch society and other fringe groups from the movement? Seems almost like apples and oranges.

There were conservative voices that were not happy about Bush's spending sprees. The problem is that they are not the same voices fueling the Tea Parties.

Honest to God, I don't know what the first few of these looked like, but these people marching around Washington now wouldn't give a shit about what spending looked like if McCain were in office.

Period.

342 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:20pm

re: #319 brookly red

Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.

I said compare, not the actual person. I was very clear as to my analogy. Do you actually think I was suggesting that someone in the photo above was running the Tea Parties? Come on.

343 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:24pm

re: #329 Floral Giraffe

CONGRATULATIONS on quitting.
Jealous here.
Keep it up.
Just one, is a problem..

Someone at work notice the smell of cigs on me one day. I was embarrassed enough to finally put them down. It's a struggle every minute.

344 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:46pm

re: #335 JustWonderful

Ideological hatred is passed from one generation to the next. I fail to see your point.

well I am sorry about you family... don't judge mine.

345 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:47pm

Good night, all.
( I CAN'T stay up as late as last night, but it's been fun)

Keep up the good fight, Charles.

346 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:52pm

re: #338 Racer X

So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?

He's only been in office a year.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:54pm

re: #185 palomino

But do you think Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or even Bush want ANYTHING to do with the teabaggers?

I can't see Condi with that crowd. They would keep repeating fake talking points, and she would be forced to kill them with her Seriously Sexy Lady Wonk Fu.

348 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:19pm

re: #338 Racer X

So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?

He has 3 more years to go before history has something to judge.

349 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:38pm

re: #338 Racer X

So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?

Give him at least half a term before you start writing history!

350 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:41pm

On Reggae and race relations


- Bob Marley interview.
351 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:50pm

re: #343 NJDhockeyfan

Someone at work notice the smell of cigs on me one day. I was embarrassed enough to finally put them down. It's a struggle every minute.

You're doing the right thing FOR YOURSELF.
Keep up the good work.
Or start again IMMEDIATELY.
Hope you succeed!

352 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:59pm

re: #346 recusancy

He's only been in office a year.

Yes. You are correct.

Give me a prediction.

20 years from now - how will he have done?

353 JustWonderful  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:09pm

re: #344 brookly red

well I am sorry about you family... don't judge mine.

It was not a judgement. That is what you just did.

354 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:12pm

re: #349 bratwurst

Give him at least half a term before you start writing history!

That's called a Palin-Term.

355 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:14pm

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

I never said they weren't, for a matter of fact, I have agreed over and over that there are racist among the leadership of the Tea Parties. You can't even find me saying anything otherwise. But I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party.

to me, it's a simple illustration that some things never change...it's not an indictment against anybody other than who is in this pic and the racist element of the GOP today...it's not all inclusive, and it's bipartisan...it's just a picture

356 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:15pm

re: #223 Varek Raith

The GOP has embraced the fringe with nary a peep from its most powerful leaders...

That would be because currently it's most powerful leaders are the fringe. Name me one "republican leader" who has the stature to take on Limbaugh without having to apologize a day later, just one?

It is a party without a leader, a party without a core, a party led by T.V. and Radio personalities who make more money by keeping it powerless but angry instead of meaningful politically. It is a party that is friggin doomed unless it shakes of the influence of media pundits and decides for itself where to go from here.

Of course they can always keep on ignoring their monetary contributors until they have none, they are doing pretty good at that already, but then there would be no party anymore would there?

357 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:45pm

re: #325 Rightwingconspirator

I think the next big rally or protest might be May Day. I'm looking to document that this year if I can get to a big event. See what perspective that provides.

RWC - may I suggest also that you look into the local organizers? See who they are connected with. It was very easy to find this information for our local events, all this stuff was on facebook.

Again, whether particular signs show up or not in a particular location, the fact is that these things are being run by folks who are really out there. Sadly, many don't do any research and there are good folks getting sucked into these things without knowing what's going on behind the scenes, what it is that they are getting affiliated with. Honestly, I wasn't paying much attention myself until Killgore started harping on these things (incessantly for a bit there). And that's what prompted me to take a deeper look.

358 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:38:25pm

re: #351 Floral Giraffe

You're doing the right thing FOR YOURSELF.
Keep up the good work.
Or start again IMMEDIATELY.
Hope you succeed!

I have twin girls who want their daddy around for a long time. I want to make sure of that.

359 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:38:31pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

I said compare, not the actual person. I was very clear as to my analogy. Do you actually think I was suggesting that someone in the photo above was running the Tea Parties? Come on.

well no but come on posting old photos... what if I posted your HS year book photo?

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:09pm

re: #213 Rightwingconspirator

Hold on. Lets stop the partisan bullshit one second. Just look at the shot and ponder how far we have come as a culture, warts and all. We have a black President, a woman SecState, and a real fight on over gay rights in the military and marriage. Call out the fringe, show the racists up, and then take some joy from how far we have come. Use that energy to sideline the fringe and we have real progress.

Hear, hear!

Bangs drum, toodles fife.

Strike up:

Columbia the gem of the ocean,
The home of the brave and the free...

We now return to our scheduled political argument already in progress. (Good points, dude.)

361 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:10pm

re: #335 JustWonderful

Ideological hatred is passed from one generation to the next. I fail to see your point.

I'm not nearly as idealistic as my father or grandfathers were...the chain can be broken you know

362 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:14pm

Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.

363 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:29pm

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

He has 3 more years to go before history has something to judge.

and 7 more until he's out of office :)

364 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:41pm

re: #340 Floral Giraffe

If you get word of anything in SoCal or central California drop me a note please. Whatever the politics, these events challenge my shutter finger. But yeah, that is a Thursday. I can cover downtown LA that day for sure. If we get anything.

365 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:40:19pm

re: #363 WindUpBird

and 7 more until he's out of office :)

What are you talking about? Hello? 12-21-2012.
Sheesh.

366 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:40:54pm

re: #359 brookly red

well no but come on posting old photos... what if I posted your HS year book photo?

You are starting to get on my nerves. Did you even read what I said above? "I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party." How much clearer do you want me to be. For someone who is looking for some support, you are certainly being an ass about it.

367 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:41:21pm

re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist

You think that quote by Clinton is racist? Oh, brother.

I wonder what the percentage is of people who DON'T think Rush is a racist but DO think that Clinton quote is racist. Actually, scratch that. I don't want to know!

368 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:01pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

There were conservative voices that were not happy about Bush's spending sprees. The problem is that they are not the same voices fueling the Tea Parties.

Honest to God, I don't know what the first few of these looked like, but these people marching around Washington now wouldn't give a shit about what spending looked like if McCain were in office.

Period.

Bruce Bartlett was extremely critical of Bush's spending, and his expansion of government (especially Medicare D, but also wiretapping and other Patriot Act sorts of things).

He lost his think tank job, some of his columnist gigs, his fellowships.... it took years for his career prospects to thaw.

369 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:04pm

re: #365 Varek Raith

What are you talking about? Hello? 12-21-2012.
Sheesh.

Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?

370 ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:36pm

Here's something kinda funny...some folks here say that tea party organizers never disassociate themselves from the kooks.

Why on this very blog, just a few days ago (March 28th), Charles ran a photo of that idiot holding the "Nigra" sign.

In the comments Charles defended referring to this idiot as a leader of the tea party...

Then whoever is actually in charge of that group needs to let the Washington Times know that. This is only one of at least half a dozen articles they've published about leaders of the tea party movement, referring to Robertson as the founder of teaparty.org.

Let's see what the tea party people actually say...

In response to questions we have received regarding Dale Robertson and his involvement with HoustonTPS, and specifically in reference to his attendance at our rally on 27 Feb 2009, we would like to state that:

1. He is NOT a member of our Leadership team.

2. He owns a website with which we have never been affiliated.

3. He has never been a part of organizing any of the Tea Party rallies in the Houston area, or any other area that we can find.

4. We addressed some issues involving him back in April. Here it is on our website, where Mr. Robertson himself comments: [Link: houstontps.org...]

5. We do not choose to associate with people that use his type of disgusting language.

A search on Google yields plenty of information about Mr. Robertson, and a search of the various leadership teams among legitimate national tea party organizations show him nowhere to be found.

That was posted...on January 6th, 2010. And yet two months later you are still holding that guy up as the poster child for the tea party groups and chastising them for not disassociating themselves from him.

Sorry, whose decency is called into question by this again?

371 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:44pm

re: #362 Racer X

Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.

there is no doubt in my mind that the GOP could put a theocrat racist in the WH...I never underestimate the ignorance of voters...if they can install BO, anything is on the table

372 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:44pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

There were conservative voices that were not happy about Bush's spending sprees. The problem is that they are not the same voices fueling the Tea Parties.

Honest to God, I don't know what the first few of these looked like, but these people marching around Washington now wouldn't give a shit about what spending looked like if McCain were in office.

Period.

Damn right. And I saw an early tea party, and am acquainted with a number of people active in my obfuscated living area. I do not have a positive view for many, many reasons.

373 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:46pm

I'm going to sign off for the night. I'll be back in the morning.

374 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:49pm

re: #357 reine.de.tout

I will do that, very good thinking there. I do have immigration advocate contacts. And I get the LAPD "event" emails from the community outreach side.
Ahh it's late. I dare not hang in a topic like this one in slowbrain mode. See ya all next time.

375 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:43:19pm

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?

You should place a wager!
:D

376 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:23pm

re: #368 sagehen

Bruce Bartlett was extremely critical of Bush's spending, and his expansion of government (especially Medicare D, but also wiretapping and other Patriot Act sorts of things).

He lost his think tank job, some of his columnist gigs, his fellowships... it took years for his career prospects to thaw.

Which is what is happening to Frum right now.

377 JustWonderful  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:38pm

re: #361 albusteve

I'm not nearly as idealistic as my father or grandfathers were...the chain can be broken you know

Of course. But peer pressures in Communities where things such as racism exist is a powerful weapon against those who attempt to break free from the ideological mores of family and Community.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:40pm

re: #305 Charles

Uh ... Michael Steele?

No, no, as a pundit. Think of Palin, but like ten years younger, and black.

379 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:56pm

re: #375 Varek Raith

You should place a wager!
:D

Heh. I think she watches Oprah & The View way too much.

380 Girth  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:03pm

re: #354 recusancy

That's called a Palin-Term.

There are roughly five Friedman-Units in a Palin-Term.

381 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:07pm

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

You are starting to get on my nerves. Did you even read what I said above? "I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party." How much clearer do you want me to be. For someone who is looking for some support, you are certainly being an ass about it.

I am not looking for support, and I just don't see the relationship with a 60 year old picture as to here & now... look there are plenty of current pictures that I guess could make the point. That is all.

382 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:25pm

re: #370 ferris

Here's something kinda funny...some folks here say that tea party organizers never disassociate themselves from the kooks.

Why on this very blog, just a few days ago (March 28th), Charles ran a photo of that idiot holding the "Nigra" sign.

In the comments Charles defended referring to this idiot as a leader of the tea party...

That was posted...on January 6th, 2010. And yet two months later you are still holding that guy up as the poster child for the tea party groups and chastising them for not disassociating themselves from him.

Sorry, whose decency is called into question by this again?

Excuse me, but you are full of crap. It's not me who's holding up this guy as a tea party leader -- it's the Washington Times, one of the main promoters of the tea parties.

Maybe you should write to the Washington Times and complain about that.

383 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:29pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

I just keep reminding myself that whoever is President is always in some danger, and that the Secret Service is very, very good at what they do.

Also, I drink a lot.

Well, Ford was shot at, Reagan was shot, and before that, TR was shot at, and McKinley was shot dead and Lincoln was shot dead.

And on the other side of the aisle, Kennedy was shot dead, Grover Cleveland was shot (at?), and maybe there were others.

It's not as if Republicans are gunning for Democrats, though. History can tell us that much.

384 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:42pm

re: #376 Uninformed Opinion

Which is what is happening to Frum right now.

Because civil discourse is bad!

385 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:46:02pm

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?

Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.

386 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:46:45pm

re: #305 Charles

Uh ... Michael Steele?

Speaking of Steele, Kathleen Parker is now throwing darts at him:

Michael Steele's problem isn't race -- it's pride

Parker ignores the obvious: Why was Steele chosen as RNC chair in the first place?

387 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:03pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. I think she watches Oprah & The View way too much.

I don't watch Oprah or The View...but I feel confident in saying that neither show is trading in doomsday predictions anyway.

388 Ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:15pm

re: #382 Charles

So you have no responsibility for the promulgation of inaccurate information?

I'm not saying you have to fact check every msm story you link to but are you really saying you have no obligation to correct the record when it's pointed out something you played up is inaccurate?

389 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:15pm

re: #385 Bagua

Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.

These blasted leaks are unacceptable!

390 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:25pm

re: #385 Bagua

Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.

Coast to Coast was on last night?

391 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:56pm

re: #385 Bagua

Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.

you can't cover a black hole up for very long...

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:48:34pm

re: #359 brookly red

well no but come on posting old photos... what if I posted your HS year book photo?

I think I must have lost the thrust of the argument somewhere. You think that if you posted Walter's old HS year book photo he would be protesting integration in it?

???

393 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:48:42pm

Gah!
So tired I can't think straight.
I would love to reset my personal body-clock to Pacific time but unfortunately, all the stuff I have to do every day occurs in Central time.

Night, all.

394 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:48:46pm

re: #388 Ferris

People in glass houses should not fire tactical nukes..
Wait...is that how it goes...?
;)

395 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:02pm

re: #386 freetoken

Speaking of Steele, Kathleen Parker is now throwing darts at him:

Michael Steele's problem isn't race -- it's pride

Parker ignores the obvious: Why was Steele chosen as RNC chair in the first place?

he should be canned...like yesterday...the guy is a tool and should be ashamed of himself....but $$$...it's a sweet job no?

396 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:08pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I must have lost the thrust of the argument somewhere. You think that if you posted Walter's old HS year book photo he would be protesting integration in it?

???

no I just say it would not be an accurate representation of who he is today.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:09pm

re: #362 Racer X

Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.

Strong on healthcare, decent on foreign policy, so-so on the domestic economy.

A lot will depend on what happens with the laundry list.

398 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:28pm

re: #388 Ferris

So you have no responsibility for the promulgation of inaccurate information?

I'm not saying you have to fact check every msm story you link to but are you really saying you have no obligation to correct the record when it's pointed out something you played up is inaccurate?

I'm saying you should learn to read. In my post, I made it extremely clear that Robertson was described by the Washington Times as a leader of the tea parties.

They've done this at least three times now. And yet, people like you want to blame me for pointing it out.

399 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:29pm

re: #381 brookly red

I am not looking for support, and I just don't see the relationship with a 60 year old picture as to here & now... look there are plenty of current pictures that I guess could make the point. That is all.

That's what I am trying to say. As an all inclusive picture, a direct mirror of current Tea Party rallies, it doesn't hold up for me. If you want to use this picture to compare racists to racists, then an individual racist in this picture can be compared to some of the racist we have seen holding signs at Tea Parties. But no, as a mirror, doesn't work. EVERYONE in this picture are racists. I have yet to see a Tea Party rally where we can assuredly say that everyone at the Tea Party rally is racist.

400 samuraishake  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:55pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush, pace Kanye West, had an excellent personal track record on race

Being blind to racial differences IS racism. Not overt, hateful racism, but racism nonetheless. When people claim to want to live in a "colorblind" society where race doesn't matter, then everyone would essentially have to be the same. Cultural niches would cease to exist (hip hop culture, cinco de mayo, etc), because the majority does not participate or enjoy these things.

In short, if you want to live in a color-blind society, then some cultural norm has to be established. Inevitably, this norm will be set by the majority culture, thus phasing out the minority cultures. Hence, racism.

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:16pm

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?

Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.

402 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:18pm

re: #390 NJDhockeyfan

Coast to Coast was on last night?

Yep. What they're not telling us is that the Earth is swooping by a massive Black Hole in the Milky-way. It's supposed to be a real threat so they are building an underground bunker near the North Pole to ride it out and re-populate.

403 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:27pm

re: #391 brookly red

you can't cover a black hole up for very long...

I bet David Copperfield could make it disappear. I saw him make the Statue of Liberty vanish once.

404 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:55pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I must have lost the thrust of the argument somewhere. You think that if you posted Walter's old HS year book photo he would be protesting integration in it?

???

I'm not sure where Brooklyn Red is going with his comments or even what he is trying to say. I am trying to agree partially with some of his assertions that he has made up thread, yet he seems to be fighting me even on my support.

405 Girth  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:52:09pm

re: #394 Varek Raith

People in glass houses should not fire tactical nukes..
Wait...is that how it goes...?
;)

I thought it was transparent aluminum and phasers.

406 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:52:34pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Well, that really pissed me off. Not mad at you of course. As much as I don't care for the physical welfare of such cretins, part of me is somewhat interested in who or what created such a vicious racist and antisemite.

407 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:52:52pm

re: #402 Bagua

Yep. What they're not telling us is that the Earth is swooping by a massive Black Hole in the Milky-way. It's supposed to be a real threat so they are building an underground bunker near the North Pole to ride it out and re-populate.

Heh, closest black hole to earth is about 1600 light years.
:)

408 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:53:24pm

re: #399 Walter L. Newton

That's what I am trying to say. As an all inclusive picture, a direct mirror of current Tea Party rallies, it doesn't hold up for me. If you want to use this picture to compare racists to racists, then an individual racist in this picture can be compared to some of the racist we have seen holding signs at Tea Parties. But no, as a mirror, doesn't work. EVERYONE in this picture are racists. I have yet to see a Tea Party rally where we can assuredly say that everyone at the Tea Party rally is racist.

well right fuckin on, so maybe calling the tea parties racist is errr a stretch?

409 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:53:41pm

re: #402 Bagua

Yep. What they're not telling us is that the Earth is swooping by a massive Black Hole in the Milky-way. It's supposed to be a real threat so they are building an underground bunker near the North Pole to ride it out and re-populate.

How hot are the women?

410 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:54:36pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, as a pundit. Think of Palin, but like ten years younger, and black.

Like Michelle Bernard?

411 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:55:41pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.

Brilliant! I never had that excuse available.

412 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:05pm

re: #407 Varek Raith

Heh, closest black hole to earth is about 1600 light years.
:)

no it's in Washington DC...

413 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:41pm

re: #387 bratwurst

The view was when Rosie was on. Haven't watched much since but have seen a couple clips of Whoopie saying some of the same dumb stuff.

414 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:53pm

re: #391 brookly red

you can't cover a black hole up for very long...

I enjoyed that comment on several levels. I'm listening to the audio book "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.

415 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:55pm

re: #370 ferris


In response to questions we have received regarding Dale Robertson and his involvement with HoustonTPS, and specifically in reference to his attendance at our rally on 27 Feb 2009, we would like to state that:

1. He is NOT a member of our Leadership team.

2. He owns a website with which we have never been affiliated.

3. He has never been a part of organizing any of the Tea Party rallies in the Houston area, or any other area that we can find.

4. We addressed some issues involving him back in April. Here it is on our website, where Mr. Robertson himself comments: [Link: houstontps.org...]

5. We do not choose to associate with people that use his type of disgusting language.

A search on Google yields plenty of information about Mr. Robertson, and a search of the various leadership teams among legitimate national tea party organizations show him nowhere to be found.

Well, IF (big if) the Tea Party movement is starting to acknowledge and purge the racist elements of their movement, I think that is a good start. They have a long way to go.

416 Ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:05pm

re: #398 Charles

I understand what you are saying and again, I don't think blogers need to fact check an article when they link to it but it seems common decency requires acknowledging something you promoted was inaccurate.

Beyond that, you've said (in this very thread as a matter of fact at #218) that

The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe.

Yet he is a case where they did. And not just any case. As you point out, this Robertson clown made it to the MSM and became something of a poster boy for the 'organizers are racist' claim.

If you won't say anything about the Washington Times story, clearly your comment quoted above should be open to correction or modification.

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:20pm

re: #408 brookly red

well right fuckin on, so maybe calling the tea parties racist is errr a stretch?

I see your trruuuueee colorrrrs


shiiiniiiing through

418 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:25pm

I'll repeat what I wrote on January 19th for the benefit of "Ferris," since he can't be bothered to read it for himself:

The last time I posted a link to a Washington Times article about Robertson, I got several insult-laced emails outraged that I described him as a “tea party leader,” saying that he had nothing to do with the Houston tea party groups, and demanding that I post a correction. And now here he is again in the far right Washington Times, touted as one of the main leaders of the teabaggers, and boasting that his group has 7 million members.

Don’t bother emailing again, folks; if you can’t control your own message, to the point where the Washington Times is promoting this idiot as your leader, I’m not going to accept any of the blame for it.

This kind of thing is why the tea party “movement” is such a bad joke.

419 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:33pm

re: #408 brookly red

well right fuckin on, so maybe calling the tea parties racist is errr a stretch?

Calling some of the leadership racist is not a stretch. Pointing out that there is very little "outrage" from Tea Party members about the racists that show up at the meetings is not a stretch. Explaining that there is a perception of racism as a foundation of the Tea Party is not a stretch.

Calling every single member of the Tea Party a racist is a stretch. Who's done that?

420 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:58:08pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.

The Princess is waiting to see how many kids skip school that week.

She will be attending; she's not superstitious, and neither are her parents.

421 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:58:39pm

re: #414 BruceKelly

I enjoyed that comment on several levels. I'm listening to the audio book "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.

his sense of humor amazes me.

422 recusancy  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:58:41pm

re: #410 sagehen

Like Michelle Bernard?


[Video]

She's wayyyy to moderate and knowledgeable. Probably someone more like Fox News' Angela "not conversant with the details of all issues" McGlowan.

423 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:07pm

re: #63 austin_blue

I'm sure some on the Right did think that. But as far as Republican politicians go, I don't think you can make that blanket statement. Most likely, there were a higher percentage of Democrats politicians who thought that way.

1965 Voting Rights Act

Vote count

The two numbers in each line of this list refer to the number of representatives voting in favor and against the act, respectively.

Senate: 77–19

* Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
* Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)

House: 333–85

* Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
* Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)

Conference Report:

Senate: 79–18

* Democrats: 49–17 (four Southern Democrats voted in favor: Albert Gore, Sr., Ross Bass, George Smathers and Ralph Yarborough).
* Republicans: 30–1 (the lone nay was Strom Thurmond; John Tower who did not vote was paired as a nay vote with Eugene McCarthy who would have voted in favor.)

House: 328–74

* Democrats: 217–54
* Republicans: 111–20


Civil Rights Act of 1964

By party

The original House version:

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

* Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%-34%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version:

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

424 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:35pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.

Proof that there will be a future:

Man arrested at Large Hadron Collider claims he's from the future

A would-be saboteur arrested today at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland made the bizarre claim that he was from the future. Eloi Cole, a strangely dressed young man, said that he had travelled back in time to prevent the LHC from destroying the world.

The LHC successfully collided particles at record force earlier this week, a milestone Mr Cole was attempting to disrupt by stopping supplies of Mountain Dew to the experiment's vending machines. He also claimed responsibility for the infamous baguette sabotage in November last year.

Mr Cole was seized by Swiss police after CERN security guards spotted him rooting around in bins. He explained that he was looking for fuel for his 'time machine power unit', a device that resembled a kitchen blender.

Police said Mr Cole, who was wearing a bow tie and rather too much tweed for his age, would not reveal his country of origin. "Countries do not exist where I am from. The discovery of the Higgs boson led to limitless power, the elimination of poverty and Kit-Kats for everyone. It is a communist chocolate hellhole and I'm here to stop it ever happening."

This isn't the first time time-travel has been blamed for mishaps at the LHC. Last year, the Japanese physicist Masao Ninomiya and Danish string-theory pioneer Holger Bech Nielsen put forward the hypothesis that the Higgs boson was so "abhorrent" that it somehow caused a ripple in time that prevented its own discovery.

Professor Brian Cox, a former CERN physicist and full-time rock'n'roll TV scientist, was sympathetic to Mr Cole. "Bless him, he sounds harmless enough. At least he didn't mention bloody black holes."

Mr Cole was taken to a secure mental health facility in Geneva but later disappeared from his cell. Police are baffled, but not that bothered.

425 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:45pm

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

How hot are the women?

Well being as it it near the North Pole I reckon they'll have to conserve body heat somehow.

re: #407 Varek Raith

Heh, closest black hole to earth is about 1600 light years.
:)

Ha! That's what they want you to believe. This goes high up. Nobody expects a sudden Black Hole.

Of course, I'm skeptical.

426 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:52pm

re: #419 Walter L. Newton

Calling some of the leadership racist is not a stretch. Pointing out that there is very little "outrage" from Tea Party members about the racists that show up at the meetings is not a stretch. Explaining that there is a perception of racism as a foundation of the Tea Party is not a stretch.

Calling every single member of the Tea Party a racist is a stretch. Who's done that?

well I guess not the management... but some posters.

427 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:00:07pm

good evening Lizards ... Just as GW Bush was judged on Iraq, so too will his successor be judged on iran. If Obama gets iran right, I'll live with his other missteps. Regime change in tehran will change the world for the better in a big way. And if Obama gets it done, he probably earns my vote in '12. I question his strategy, but he may be right and I may be wrong. We'll see ...

428 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:00:42pm

re: #424 Racer X

He's pulling your leg. Check to see if he has a pretty young girl named Rose or Sarah Jane with him, and look for blue boxes in the area as well.

429 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:00:57pm

To bed...

430 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:14pm

re: #420 EmmmieG

The Princess is waiting to see how many kids skip school that week.

She will be attending; she's not superstitious, and neither are her parents.


Wish I had had that excuse. I used to skip school so often, teachers didn't remember me being in their class. I definitely would have used the end of the world to my advantage!

431 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:15pm

re: #425 Bagua

Ha! That's what they want you to believe. This goes high up. Nobody expects a sudden Black Hole.

Of course, I'm skeptical.

I'm curious, are they counting my point singularity projectors???
;)

432 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:25pm

re: #419 Walter L. Newton

Calling some of the leadership racist is not a stretch. Pointing out that there is very little "outrage" from Tea Party members about the racists that show up at the meetings is not a stretch. Explaining that there is a perception of racism as a foundation of the Tea Party is not a stretch.

Calling every single member of the Tea Party a racist is a stretch. Who's done that?

MOST of the leadership is either racist or deranged. I have yet to find a single tea party organization that isn't led by a Ron Paul group, a John Bircher group, or an astroturf group funded by far right nutjobs.

433 Ferris  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:31pm

re: #418 Charles

Wow.

You've known that this characterization has been in dispute (to put it mildly) for 3 months and still continue to link to it? No caveats? No warning to your readers that what you are about to quote isn't accurate?

434 Uninformed Opinion  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:16pm

re: #431 Varek Raith

I'm curious, are they counting my point singularity projectors???
;)

/Its the LHC, its gonna destroy us all!

435 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:23pm

re: #424 Racer X

Dated April 1.

436 brookly red  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:27pm

good night good folks

437 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:29pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

To bed...

... in bed.

438 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:41pm

re: #433 Ferris

Good grief.

439 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:44pm

Looks like the NYT has the biased headline of the day week month ______ (fill in the blank)...

Palestinians Try a Less Violent Path to Resistance

It's a total puff piece showing the unfortunate Palis being unfairly abused by the evil Israelis.

440 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:55pm

re: #433 Ferris

Just piss off. I'm tired of talking to a wall.

441 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:03:18pm

re: #413 Escaped Hillbilly

The view was when Rosie was on. Haven't watched much since but have seen a couple clips of Whoopie saying some of the same dumb stuff.

Yeesh, I stand corrected. Then again...I did hear about the bit on The View where Sherri Shepherd revealed that she was not sure if the earth was round, so I should have known better!

442 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:03:18pm

re: #435 Charles

Dated April 1.

You're ruining it!

I thought that was funny as hell!

443 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:17pm

re: #424 Racer X

That time-traveling Boson certainly is a persistent thing... now getting people from the future to do its dirty works.

I still remember the Higgs-Boson sub-plot on Lexx. Great stuff.

444 albusteve  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:24pm

re: #427 _RememberTonyC

good evening Lizards ... Just as GW Bush was judged on Iraq, so too will his successor be judged on iran. If Obama gets iran right, I'll live with his other missteps. Regime change in tehran will change the world for the better in a big way. And if Obama gets it done, he probably earns my vote in '12. I question his strategy, but he may be right and I may be wrong. We'll see ...

how can he induce a regime change in Iran?...at this point that's just a pipe dream...certainly if anyone brings Iran to it's knees, it will be epic...but I doubt it will be BO unless he lights up the Air Force, which he won't.....he's a hope and change kinda guy

445 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:34pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.

I used the Vietnam War.

446 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:55pm

re: #423 HelloDare

Boy! That dashes some stereotypes!

447 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:59pm

(it was the Mountain Dew reference that should have tipped you off)

448 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:05:04pm

re: #442 Racer X

You're ruining it!

I thought that was funny as hell!

No, wait! He intentionally traveled back to April 1 to confuse us. Crafty future bastard.
XD

449 JustWonderful  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:05:57pm

I see a lot of parsing. The simple fact is; look at the Tea Bag movement and even the CPAC convention. At CPAC you had the John Birch Society there, the Oath keepers, and other fringe groups. You had the race baiters like Breitbart and his entourage. One sees obvious hate signs at most Tea Bag rallies. And you know they are consciously trying to tone it down. If it walks like a duck.......
April 19th should be interesting.

450 Racer X  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:06:02pm

re: #443 freetoken

That time-traveling Boson certainly is a persistent thing... now getting people from the future to do its dirty works.

I still remember the Higgs-Boson sub-plot on Lexx. Great stuff.


[Video]

LOL!

I loved that show!

451 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:06:23pm

re: #441 bratwurst
She probably went to the same school as the guy from GA who thought Guam just might tip over.

452 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:05pm

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

How hot are the women?

Dr. Strangelove

453 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:17pm

if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?

454 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:35pm

re: #450 Racer X

LOL!

I loved that show!

You must have a hankering for shower scenes...

455 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:44pm

re: #446 swamprat

I hope so.

456 JustWonderful  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:08:35pm

re: #453 _RememberTonyC

if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?

I see John McCain has his hand up.

457 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:12pm

re: #441 bratwurst

I'm not sure if the earth is round, either. I haven't been up in a rocket to look (between the fear of heights and the claustrophobia, not going to happen), so I can't say I've looked and seen. For all I know, the earth could be flat, and there could be a handsome dude in a flaming chariot towing the sun around.

I'm taking it on faith that

Every scientist born in the last several hundred years
All the pictures taken by NASA
The way that ships go over the horizon, etc. etc.

are steering me in the right direction.

458 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:17pm

re: #455 HelloDare

I hope so.

When you look at the Republican percentages, it really puts things in perspective.

459 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:18pm

re: #456 JustWonderful

I see John McCain has his hand up.

HAHAHA, yes, Mister "I'm not a maverick"...

460 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:25pm

re: #441 bratwurst

Yeesh, I stand corrected. Then again...I did hear about the bit on The View where Sherri Shepherd revealed that she was not sure if the earth was round, so I should have known better!

She also said she didn't think there was any religion before Jesus. (Even if we ignore all the polytheists... is it possible that her bible is missing the entire front half?)

461 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:01pm

re: #460 sagehen

She also said she didn't think there was any religion before Jesus. (Even if we ignore all the polytheists... is it possible that her bible is missing the entire front half?)

Noah was an atheist?

462 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:10pm

Chopra Blames Own Meditation for Baja Quake

The U.S. Geological Survey is blaming day-to-day seismological changes for Sunday's 7.2 earthquake along the U.S.-Mexico border. But Deepak Chopra, the famed alternative-medicine practitioner and transcendental meditation guru, is pretty sure he knows what really happened.

"Had a powerful meditation just now -- caused an earthquake in Southern California," Chopra wrote to his nearly 179,000 Twitter followers shortly after the quake.

And then, to clarify: "Was meditating on Shiva mantra & earth began to shake," he tweeted. "Sorry about that."

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:25pm

re: #453 _RememberTonyC

if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?

S/he'd better be independently wealthy, because s/he's not gonna get any help from the patient.

464 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:44pm

re: #460 sagehen

She also said she didn't think there was any religion before Jesus. (Even if we ignore all the polytheists... is it possible that her bible is missing the entire front half?)


That was a cult!//

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:11:24pm

re: #461 EmmmieG

Noah was an atheist?

Just because one speaks to God doesn't mean that one, you know, believes in her or worships her.

/

466 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:11:24pm

re: #444 albusteve

how can he induce a regime change in Iran?...at this point that's just a pipe dream...certainly if anyone brings Iran to it's knees, it will be epic...but I doubt it will be BO unless he lights up the Air Force, which he won't...he's a hope and change kinda guy


by seizing the moral high ground he has tried so hard to inhabit? and hopefully translate all that into something. i pray that all his gestures in year one have been coordinated in a productive way. maybe i just don't get it ... iran hold Obama's future (and ours) in its grip.

467 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:12:02pm

re: #456 JustWonderful

I see John McCain has his hand up.

he was asking to go to the bathroom ...

468 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:12:33pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

Just because one speaks to God doesn't mean that one, you know, believes in her or worships her.

/

She just asked me to upding your post.
:)

469 Escaped Hillbilly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:13:17pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

Just because one speaks to God doesn't mean that one, you know, believes in her or worships her.

/

Funnier still, her assertion implies Jesus was a liar, delusional, or seriously misquoted...wasn't he ...a jew?

470 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:13:51pm

re: #453 _RememberTonyC

if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?

It's not going to happen. Anyone who dares to criticize the current direction of the GOP will find themselves attacked, smeared, and vilified from all directions. There is no conservative who's immune from this.

The GOP is determined to jump.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:14:07pm

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Chopra Blames Own Meditation for Baja Quake

I'm gonna guess he meant that as a joke.

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:15:10pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm gonna guess he meant that as a joke.

Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.

473 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:15:58pm

re: #470 Charles

It's not going to happen. Anyone who dares to criticize the current direction of the GOP will find themselves attacked, smeared, and vilified from all directions. There is no conservative who's immune from this.

The GOP is determined to jump.


Bill Bennett, in spite of some imperfections ... is a good man.

474 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:15:59pm

Judging from the referral page, it looks like the illiterate religious fanatic at Gateway Pundit is going to be the first to attack this post.

475 chineena  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:16:57pm

Wow.

Charles, you’ve stooped to a new low.

477 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:17:14pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.

Yes, the same way we all hope that Tesla never did invent that Earthquake Machine or death ray....

478 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:17:43pm

re: #475 chineena

Wow.

Charles, you’ve stooped to a new low.

And you no longer have an LGF account.

479 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:18:39pm

Yep, flushing them out.

480 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:18:49pm

re: #476 HelloDare

Hard to tell. He also said this:

What happened in Mumbai, he told the interviewer, was a product of the U.S. war on terrorism, that "our policies, our foreign policies" had alienated the Muslim population, that we had "gone after the wrong people" and inflamed moderates. And "that inflammation then gets organized and appears as this disaster in Bombay."

Didn't know that, but I'm still going to say that being a moonbat is a little less weird than thinking you can cause earthquakes through meditation.

Why is the world so full of strange people?

481 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:06pm

re: #362 Racer X

Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.

Quite unknowable. In the long march of history, the health care "reform" will eventually be seen as a big mistake, a budget buster in a time when the U.S. could no longer afford ever more generous entitlement programs.

Entitlements without the means to back them are the road to Argentinian and Greek style chaos. Or, these days, maybe California is the apt example. An entitlement state finds itself stuck either welshing on some of its promises, or raising taxes to the point that the economy founders, and then welshing on all of them.

Policy toward Iran is working out to acquiescing in Iran's having nukes. Will we get away with that? Who can say? If we do, then he's steered clear of the risk of a preemptive war that would surely be nasty, bloody, and expensive. That would earn him some points. If standing by while the storm gathers turns out to be a mistake, and the situation brews up into a nuclear war, then he'll be judged a Chamberlain with respect to foreign policy along with a Carter on domestic policy.

What about the rest of his work? He's waffled on energy. We are no closer to getting a real boost in nuclear energy production than we were 2 years ago, but he's done a little and may eventually get serious and allow big-time construction of nuclear power plants. Then he'd have one point in his favor. We missed our chance to be part of an agreement on greenhouse gases, but there, the Republicans will earn most of the blame, and he'll be judged more a victim of their folly than a party to it.

We are no closer, either, to an environmental policy that takes green energy seriously by brushing aside nimby objections and worries about desert fleas getting too much shade. At this point, if it's a midterm grade, it's got to be a C-. Many big mistakes, a few developments that if tended and improved on might pull it up to a C+ or even a B.

482 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:17pm

re: #470 Charles

Yeah, even otherwise-thought-of-as-sane Republicans appear to heading far-right. Tonight on the radio I heard an attack ad by Whitman, going after Poizner, touching on the immigration problems. Whitman's advert sounded suspiciously Tancredo-like.

If the ideological leaders of the GOP are the likes of Paul and Tancredo then the party is over edge. Period.

483 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:17pm

re: #478 Charles

And you no longer have an LGF account.

Two posts in 3 years, I'm sure we'll all shed a tear for him/her....

484 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:52pm

re: #483 jamesfirecat

Two posts in 3 years, I'm sure we'll all shed a tear for him/her...

Two posts in 3 years, it just won't be the same without him/her around!

(Its too late at night for me to get my sarcasm right on the first try)

485 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:20:10pm

I see some of us have had too much tea before bedtime! Good night y'all.

486 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:21:01pm

re: #475 chineena

So everything has been ok up till now?

487 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:21:22pm

re: #453 _RememberTonyC

if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?

I agree, but things are looking pretty blaek... and yes, I meant blaek.

488 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:22:03pm

McCain should not run from the maverick label. It suited him well and was a good thing. we need others to follow the example set by McCain, Lieberman, and others with the courage to buck their party on occasion. Partisanship could be our downfall.

489 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:22:36pm

re: #483 jamesfirecat

Two posts in 3 years, I'm sure we'll all shed a tear for him/her...

When last seen at LGF, "chineena" was defending an absolutely revolting video by Operation Rescue, encouraging people to kill abortion doctors.

490 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:22:51pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.

He could've been smokin' some good cheddar when he made that comment.

491 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:11pm

re: #489 Charles

When last seen at LGF, "chineena" was defending an absolutely revolting video by Operation Rescue, encouraging people to kill abortion doctors.

Sounds like the kind of thing I'm glad I missed.

492 Bagua  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:12pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm gonna guess he meant that as a joke.

Deepak said he's sorry, so it shouldn't be held against him.

493 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:28pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.

The US & Mexico should send him a bill. We will then find out if it was a joke.

494 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:28pm

re: #480 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is the world so full of strange people?

It's not full. But with a total population of 6,692,030,277 and counting, there are sure a lot of them.

495 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:29pm

re: #388 Ferris

These kind of questions are best handled in private via email, if you don't get satisfactory answers then you can post the "damning" email transcripts...

Attempting to beard Charles in public is not going to end well, he isn't going to stand for much of it, and there is no reason why he should.

Oops thats right sorry, your too blinded by self-righteous indignation to have any common sense or tact, that seems to always be the case...sigh. :(

496 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:55pm

re: #456 JustWonderful

I see John McCain has his hand up.

"I was a maverick before I wasn't a maverick and now I 'm not a maverick maverick"

Apolgies to James Garner

497 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:57pm

re: #481 lostlakehiker

Quite unknowable. In the long march of history, the health care "reform" will eventually be seen as a big mistake, a budget buster in a time when the U.S. could no longer afford ever more generous entitlement programs.

And I'm thinking guaranteed issue is going to free a lot of would-be entrepreneurs from stifling corporate jobs they feel trapped at because a spouse has diabetes, or an offspring has asthma. I know a lot of people who've dreamed for years of starting their own company, capable people with a strong idea and decent financing, who now they can do it.

No way of knowing if my circle of acquaintances is a representative sample of the population, but if they are we're in for a small business explosion.

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:24:52pm

re: #494 HelloDare

It's not full. But with a total population of 6,692,030,277 and counting, there are sure a lot of them.

Friend of mine likes to say--'it doesn't take all kinds. We just have all kinds.'

499 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:25:21pm

re: #496 BruceKelly

"I was a maverick before I wasn't a maverick and now I 'm not a maverick maverick"

Apolgies to James Garner

"The best way to defeat a Space Wolf is to wolf his wolf. You must be careful, though, because if the Space Wolf wolfs your wolf first, then your wolf is wolfed." -Attributed to Wolf Rider Volk Wolfclaw, On the weaknesses of the Space Wolf doctrine.

500 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:26:56pm

rollin... rollin... rollin...

keep those hills a movin'...


/just had back to back 4.4 and 4.5, about 1 second apart...

501 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:28:27pm

re: #400 samuraishake

Being blind to racial differences IS racism. Not overt, hateful racism, but racism nonetheless. When people claim to want to live in a "colorblind" society where race doesn't matter, then everyone would essentially have to be the same. Cultural niches would cease to exist (hip hop culture, cinco de mayo, etc), because the majority does not participate or enjoy these things.

In short, if you want to live in a color-blind society, then some cultural norm has to be established. Inevitably, this norm will be set by the majority culture, thus phasing out the minority cultures. Hence, racism.

Nonsense. What is sought is not a color-blind society, but a society in which the State is blind to race, as since Roman days, Justice was held the scales and a sword but was blindfolded. Everyone knows that people are different. The point is that those differences should not come into play when deciding matters of guilt or innocence, liability or non-responsibility.

Neither should they come into play when the State decides who is selected for advancement in their career. Let New Haven write its test as fairly as it can, for the State should not try to tip the scales by sly nuance of questions. And then, when a meticulously fair test is administered, let the chips fall where they may.

Meantime, we can delight in our soul food, our Cinco de Maya, and all the rich cultural tapestry that many threads weave. We can and we will intermarry, and the differences over time will fade further, as they have already faded a lot. Our culture will homogenize a little, but that's OK: the wide wold will still be wide, and the U.S. will still be the apex of diversity and tolerance, the society that manages to harmonize better than most the many instruments that make up the orchestra. For all the griping, we really do a fine job of it now and it can only improve.

502 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:29:01pm

re: #475 chineena

So Charles won the internet Limbo contest?

If not WTF are you talking about? Providing a clue as to your topic is always sorta helpful for those poor unfortunate posters who are unable to read minds.

503 Vambo  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:29:43pm

hahahaha! Take a look at some of the 2010 Tea Party photos... they dress the same!

504 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:30:34pm

Later lizards....it's been fun.

Time to count sheep.

505 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:31:36pm

re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist

Friend of mine likes to say--'it doesn't take all kinds. We just have all kinds.'

I'm stealing that one.

506 shill  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:31:48pm

There is a logical tension between 470 and 478, isn't there?

I'm not consistent either, but no one likes that sort of thing. We can criticize eachother in a civil way and everyone profits.

This isn't the Tea Party (those pictures of racist democrats).

The Tea Party is less black than the general population, true. Not much. A few percent. I see a lot of people who are not white at the several Tea Party protests I've attended. They are nowhere near as hateful or angry or *partisan* as the political protests I have attended throughout the years (war protests in particular, but many others).

What stuns me is that there are a lot of democrats at Tea Parties. Well, that doesn't really stun me... lots of democrats in my state love fiscal conservatism. But so many people who do not attend Tea Parties think it's just republicans and white men. That's absurd.

Please don't buy the spin from either side. April 15th is a day for every democrat and republican and independent to make their own sign and go to their nearest Tea Party. Make yours about Bush's reckless spending, and point out that Democrat voters want to balance the budget, too. By all means.

It's a huge movement, and I think this kind of attack: 'here! look at some bigots from 1950! They are protesting about something completely unlike what the 'Taxed Enough Already' movement is, but everyone hates racists' doesn't help anyone. It's not reasonable or fair. It's so easy to ignore people because you accuse them of racism, but if they aren't racism, you are doing a massive harm to the cause of equality. You're cheapening a serious and powerful axiom.

I've seen racists at Tea Parties. They are condemned loudly. I hope you show up at my Tea Party, wave your liberalism (if you are liberal... that's not for me to say), and join me in telling the 1 out of 1000 that are racists to go to hell. Tell the few idiots speaking about violence (more common than racists) to grow up and honor our democracy.

But don't just diss the whole movement, which I think is very diverse in the ways that matter, and racially (I do not think this is a reasonable way to classify people, and I don't think it matters). Someone above mentioned that the Tea party bashed Bush. It still does, folks. Why cede the message? You know the current government is also spending way too much to sustain.

We can all agree on this, and disagree on other things once we get some basic spending reform. We can quibble about all the excesses of various partisan factions, or we can save our country's financial future together.

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:32:06pm

OH. PASTA.

Passover has ended at SFZ's house. And it is full of chametz, and very good.

508 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:32:50pm

Looks like the first attack comes from one of the dumbest wingnut bloggers, Internet tough guy Dan Riehl.

509 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:33:44pm

re: #506 shill

When last seen at LGF, you were defending Rush Limbaugh and calling Michelle Obama a Birther.

Of course you'd be defending the tea parties.

510 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:33:53pm

re: #501 lostlakehiker

Well said.

511 Vambo  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:38:10pm

the shill's username is shill????

so sad when people just stop trying.

512 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:38:18pm

ron paul's influence in the GOP needs to be flushed down the toilet. who can pull the chain? mitt romney may be the only adult in the whole crowd with the stature to try it.

513 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:41:54pm

re: #512 _RememberTonyC

ron paul's influence in the GOP needs to be flushed down the toilet. who can pull the chain? mitt romney may be the only adult in the whole crowd with the stature to try it.

Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.

514 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:41:59pm

re: #506 shill

Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the speakers at the convention.
Ignore the signs.
Ignore the racism.
Ignore the stupidity.
Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the hyperbole.
Ignore all of it.

Repeat to self: 'this is really, really, all about a balanced budget'.

Nah, I can't pull it off.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:42:57pm

re: #513 BruceKelly

Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.

Is it possible, though, that the RR will split to someone like Palin, who has less broad support, and allow Romney to take the primaries?

516 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:44:14pm

re: #513 BruceKelly

Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.


sad but true. maybe enough others around the country will help him get the GOP nomination in spite of that. and then in the general election the voters can choose romney or the incumbent.

517 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:44:50pm

re: #506 shill

Uhh...sure, your all as pure as the driven snow, in favor of secular government, and as sane as Socrates. It is just tragic circumstances that allows the nutcases with their weird fear-mongering and race-baiting signs to show up during your events. They obviously have nothing to do with the Tea Parties, why we are simply foolish to think so I am sure...

Go sell it to the freepers and others with I.Q.s below 100, no one is going to swallow that bilge here.

518 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:44:54pm

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it possible, though, that the RR will split to someone like Palin, who has less broad support, and allow Romney to take the primaries?

It's possible. Glenn Beck is a Mormon and seems to have good support among the RR.

519 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:45:50pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow, a little chametz in ya and you're all feisty!

520 Shill  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:46:14pm

re: #509 Charles

When last seen at LGF, you were defending Rush Limbaugh and calling Michelle Obama a Birther.

Of course you'd be defending the tea parties.

That is simply dishonest. I was saying that Rush Limbaugh accurately quoted Michelle Obama's comment, to the effect that Obama's home country is Kenya.

And she did say that. You agreed, I believe. I think anyone on the right saying "Obama's home country is Kenya" would be rightfully laughed at, and I repeatedly noted Obama was born in Hawaii. I never said Michelle is a birther, I said her comments are either a symptom of very poor speaking skills (as evidenced by other comments of hers), or they are outrageously attempting to foment a really ugly attack on Obama because that attack backfires (and helps Obama). And of course, the former is the likely explanation.

But I didn't say she's a birther. That's as realistic as claiming the Tea Party leadership is mostly racist.

I had an argument. I've been personally attacked in an irrelevant and dishonest way. No big deal, but I still encourage liberals and democrats who are bothered by the Tea party to show up on April 15th and see for yourselves that we are good folks. Hell, bring a sign about civil rights or equality of races. People will cheer you.

I'm sorry Charles doesn't want to discuss this with me, but that's his right. You can discuss it with Tea Partiers in person, (readers). There are a few jerks, and because there is no organization to the Tea Party, it's easy for kooks to pretend to be leaders (and those are the guys you will see discussed by those who want to tarnish the movement, naturally, since they are outrageous and interesting).

Let's all agree that the current government is spending too much money, and that it's hardly a partisan issue. Both parties are responsible for this problem. It has nothing to do with race. Anyone who thinks the Tea Party wouldn't exist if Obama were white, or that Obamacare wouldn't be massively opposed if he were white, was not paying attention in the 1980s or 1990s. And they aren't attending Tea Parties.

Go in person and judge for yourself. Counter protest, if you want.

521 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:47:02pm

re: #513 BruceKelly

Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.

Can you imagine the "push polling" that will be going on in the Bible Belt? *shudder*

522 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:48:41pm

re: #520 Shill

But I didn't say she's a birther.

Now you're just lying outright. Here's your comment:

So there's that defense... she made a birther claim, though. Anyone saying Obama's home country is Kenya is a birther idiot.

523 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:49:34pm

re: #513 BruceKelly

Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.

Palin will be the straw that breaks my conservative back.

524 sagehen  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:49:42pm

re: #513 BruceKelly

Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.

My problem with Romney is that his declared positions on all the most contentious, deeply felt issues are... entirely dependent on who he's speaking to at the moment. Mostly they're the exact opposite of what he said they were the last time he ran for something.

525 Shill  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:49:51pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the speakers at the convention.
Ignore the signs.
Ignore the racism.
Ignore the stupidity.
Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the hyperbole.
Ignore all of it.

Repeat to self: 'this is really, really, all about a balanced budget'.

Nah, I can't pull it off.

I'm sorry you can't. But you shouldn't cherry pick. I could easily point out democrat racists a lot, and tell those who let me know that isn't representative of the democrats that they are demanding I ignore it.

Why ignore it? The Tea Party isn't ignoring it when they condemn the kooks. The speaker at the convention (Farah?) was condemned by other speakers at the convention. I don't think there is such a thing as a tea party leader, only kooks pretending to be because that's easier than admitting they are Ron Paul supporters or Birchers or whatever.

We agree these types are losers and disagree on whether to ignore them, but who cares if you think this is about a balanced budget? I am protesting about a balanced budget. Frankly, millions are. You can too. Let's do that together, since I bet we agree on that. We also agree that racists suck, so let's say that together too. Why have a fight when we agree? Because of political parties?

526 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51:07pm

re: #525 Shill

I could easily point out democrat racists

Wow, that would be, like, a FIRST for this thread!

527 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51:07pm

re: #520 Shill

and because there is no organization to the Tea Party, it's easy for kooks to pretend to be leaders (and those are the guys you will see discussed by those who want to tarnish the movement, naturally, since they are outrageous and interesting

.

this sounds vaguely like the radicals of the RoP and its "leaders."

528 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51:14pm

I will say this about those 1950's bigots;

Their signs are very well done!

Letters nicely spaced. No misspelled words.

Good use of fonts to achieve emphasis.

Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.

529 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:53:09pm

re: #524 sagehen

My problem with Romney is that his declared positions on all the most contentious, deeply felt issues are... entirely dependent on who he's speaking to at the moment. Mostly they're the exact opposite of what he said they were the last time he ran for something.

I agree, but right now he does seem like the only adult in the room.

530 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:53:55pm

re: #528 swamprat

I will say this about those 1950's bigots;

Their signs are very well done!

Letters nicely spaced. No misspelled words.

Good use of fonts to achieve emphasis.

Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.

and those old big ass microphones are still very cool.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:54:34pm

re: #518 BruceKelly

It's possible. Glenn Beck is a Mormon and seems to have good support among the RR.

Beck's not running against anyone, though. Primaries are brutal. I remember Huckabee's little poisonous line about 'don't they believe Satan is Jesus' brother?...'

Opponents in the primary will bring it out.

I don't get it, myself. From a Jewish perspective, Mormons seem like evangelical Christians, with extra prophets and very clean living.

I realize that the world looks noticeably different if you are, say, not me.

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:54:58pm

re: #519 bratwurst

Wow, a little chametz in ya and you're all feisty!

I'm high on tortellini.

533 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:55:07pm

re: #525 Shill

The speaker at the convention (Farah?) was condemned by other speakers at the convention.

That's bullshit. Joseph Farah got a standing ovation for his insane speech. A very few people at that tea party convention spoke out against Farah, but only when it was obvious that his speech was incredibly damaging, and they needed to put up a front of disapproval.

They hired this guy as the speaker knowing full well that he was going to say exactly what he said. Nobody could possibly have been surprised.

534 Shill  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:55:12pm

re: #522 Charles

Cut and paste out of context, but yeah, you got me. I did say that comment is birther idiocy.

I also said it is more likely explained by her typical sloppy language (with the example where she said she wasn't proud to be an American). Michelle made an idiotic comment, saying Obama was born in Kenya. You know well that if Sarah Palin had said that, you'd call her a birther (and an idiot). But Michelle made this birther idiot claim without being a birther, and I don't think I'm lying or even straining to make this simple point.

I realize you will ban me. I do my best to be respectful, but I understand this is your blog and you don't like Tea Partiers like me very much. It's your right to do it. I wish you could get along with the conservatives and liberals who simply don't agree with your characterizations. It's particularly interesting to look at what exactly is wrong with racism. With making grandiose and hostile stereotype generalizations about 'others'.

The Tea Party is not all like what you notice a few of the worst are like. Nor are Muslims or blacks or Democrats or whatever. That kind of constant attack just doesn't help us get anywhere.

We're at a crossroads in history, and we can agree to get our government sustainable, or we can just yell at eachother.

535 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:55:17pm

re: #529 BruceKelly

I agree, but right now he does seem like the only adult in the room.

precisely! anyone going against Obama needs "gravitas," and he has it. now he needs to make his presence felt in a positive, uplifting way.

536 swamprat  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:56:41pm

re: #526 bratwurst


Strangely, I find that my ears have self-combusted.

Good night, folks!

537 Shill  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:57:49pm

re: #533 Charles

That's bullshit. Joseph Farah got a standing ovation for his insane speech. A very few people at that tea party convention spoke out against Farah, but only when it was obvious that his speech was incredibly damaging, and they needed to put up a front of disapproval.

They hired this guy as the speaker knowing full well that he was going to say exactly what he said. Nobody could possibly have been surprised.

If you actually look at what you said, you acknowledge that what I said was accurate, that he was criticized by other speakers. I have no idea if he got a standing ovation. I wouldn't listen to him speak, so those who would self select for crazies.

It's not really relevant. you admit that Tea Party speakers condemned him, as I said. I choose this latter block as the good ones. Join us on April 15th, and be a Tea Partier, Charles. I am sincerely not trolling you. You can easily speak out in favor of the aspects that are good, and oppose the insane jerks. Why not?

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:58:13pm

re: #525 Shill

I'm sorry you can't. But you shouldn't cherry pick. I could easily point out democrat racists a lot, and tell those who let me know that isn't representative of the democrats that they are demanding I ignore it.

Why ignore it? The Tea Party isn't ignoring it when they condemn the kooks. The speaker at the convention (Farah?) was condemned by other speakers at the convention. I don't think there is such a thing as a tea party leader, only kooks pretending to be because that's easier than admitting they are Ron Paul supporters or Birchers or whatever.

We agree these types are losers and disagree on whether to ignore them, but who cares if you think this is about a balanced budget? I am protesting about a balanced budget. Frankly, millions are. You can too. Let's do that together, since I bet we agree on that. We also agree that racists suck, so let's say that together too. Why have a fight when we agree? Because of political parties?

I think you're full of shit, so I wouldn't say we 'agree'. I don't agree that this is a grassroots fiscal responsibility movement in the slightest.

Therefore, I do not plan to show up for any of its events. It does not speak to me in any way.

By all means, have fun.

539 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:58:51pm

re: #534 Shill

... Michelle made an idiotic comment, saying Obama was born in Kenya. ...

Michelle Obama labeled Kenya her husbands "home".

540 erraticsphinx  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:59:31pm

re: #539 freetoken

Shhhh, don't use facts with this one.

541 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:59:32pm

re: #537 Shill

Here, have another shovel.

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:59:42pm

re: #526 bratwurst

Wow, that would be, like, a FIRST for this thread!

And I would either

a. denounce them

or b. disagree that they were racists

or c. point out that they're older than God and/or dead

or some combination of those points,

I don't know why people think Dems shrivel up and melt if you point out that there are racist Democrats.

543 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:00:05pm

re: #537 Shill

Join us on April 15th, and be a Tea Partier, Charles.

I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.

544 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:00:28pm

Hope DF built us a big pit for the grill, as we got's lots of roasting to do.

545 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:00:37pm

re: #497 sagehen

And I'm thinking guaranteed issue is going to free a lot of would-be entrepreneurs from stifling corporate jobs they feel trapped at because a spouse has diabetes, or an offspring has asthma. I know a lot of people who've dreamed for years of starting their own company, capable people with a strong idea and decent financing, who now they can do it.

No way of knowing if my circle of acquaintances is a representative sample of the population, but if they are we're in for a small business explosion.

The snag is that the companies that are bound by law to issue policies to anyone, however ill with a preexisting condition, will be unable to attract healthy customers. Their rates will have to be high enough to cover claims from a lopsidedly sick pool, so halfway healthy people will take a pass on the deal. Then, rates will have to rise still higher to cover losses on a mostly sick pool. The government will forbid the shocking percentage premium increases, and the company will fail. Big outgo, smaller intake means failure.

The whole concept of insurance fails when you can wait until your house is burning to buy the fire insurance. This law sets in motion a death spiral for all health insurance companies.

Whether HMO's will fail too is not clear; many have closely defined pools of people they deal with, and I'm not sure if the law mandates that HMO's take all comers. But if it does, HMO's too will go under.

As the wheels come off, the companies will be pilloried for raising rates and for greed, even as one after the other goes under and the rest report staggering losses. Fingers will be pointing everywhere but at the cause---a law that wasn't thought through.

What we should have done is pass laws allowing people to maintain their insurance even if they switched employers or became unemployed. Portability would have done the trick. No need to break everything in a vain attempt to fix everything all at once.

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:01:27pm

re: #528 swamprat

I will say this about those 1950's bigots;

Their signs are very well done!

Letters nicely spaced. No misspelled words.

Good use of fonts to achieve emphasis.

Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.

It's true. Alas.

I think they used to teach lettering formally in schools, as part of penmanship.

547 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:01:49pm

re: #543 Charles

I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.

join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger .... more fun than drinking tea.

548 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:02:47pm

re: #528 swamprat


Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.

Ever since the damn commies took over the public schools the bigots just haven't been able to get a good education!

549 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:02:50pm

re: #547 _RememberTonyC

join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger ... more fun than drinking tea.

Jaegerbagger...... I like it

550 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:03:12pm

it's getting late here in CT ... have a good night y'all ...

551 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:04:00pm

re: #550 _RememberTonyC

it's getting late here in CT ... have a good night y'all ...

Indeed it is. I'm out.

Night!
:)

552 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:04:13pm

re: #547 _RememberTonyC

join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger ... more fun than drinking tea.

I'll be in SF taking pictures of an anti-Israel rally somewhere. Then later, probably scotch over rocks. I'll need a drink after.

553 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:06:19pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

Beck's not running against anyone, though. Primaries are brutal. I remember Huckabee's little poisonous line about 'don't they believe Satan is Jesus' brother?...'

Opponents in the primary will bring it out.

I don't get it, myself. From a Jewish perspective, Mormons seem like evangelical Christians, with extra prophets and very clean living.

I realize that the world looks noticeably different if you are, say, not me.

I don't know much about the Church of LDS (everything I know I learned from South Park). I do know quite a few Mormons and they are all very good people.

There's something in the book of Revelations (New Testament) about adding to or taking away from the gospel that makes Mormonism unacceptable to Evangelicals.

No more books or prophets are allowed.

554 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:08:14pm

re: #112 swamprat

By the way;
Race mixing is communism was strongly implied or said in a book written by J. Edgar Hoover.
I read the book,but I don't remember the name of it. I don't know what party he was in, but he was nuts.

Oh, as far as I know, J. Edgar Hoover liked to organize his own private parties.
/

555 Gus  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:08:51pm

"Race mixing is communism." A favorite phrase of the re-embraced John Birch Society of the 1950s and 1960s who have come back in vogue with many conservatives and an active sponsor of CPAC.

Looked up for more photos and this specific photo is from July 1959. The events involve the Little Rock Integration crisis or the Little Rock Nine.

Mote images here and here.

And one more collection.

556 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:11:43pm

re: #543 Charles

I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.

Reminds me of the old net surfing maxim, "be careful what you click on because no matter how hard you try, it's impossible to unsee something."

557 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:12:58pm

re: #547 _RememberTonyC

join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger ... more fun than drinking tea.

I'm there

558 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:13:53pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

Beck's not running against anyone, though. Primaries are brutal. I remember Huckabee's little poisonous line about 'don't they believe Satan is Jesus' brother?...'

Opponents in the primary will bring it out.

I don't get it, myself. From a Jewish perspective, Mormons seem like evangelical Christians, with extra prophets and very clean living.

I realize that the world looks noticeably different if you are, say, not me.

Don't forget that the Mormons started out as a polygamous heretical cult that was driven out of two different states for actively trying very hard to take over the local governments and failing before finally settling in Salt Lake city. Think scientology only much more politically active along with flaunting the law about having multiple and underage wives.

They were definately never seen or considered to be "real" Christians by any of the other sects until very recently, after they had renounced polygamy and some of their other more controversial practices.

559 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:15:02pm

re: #556 BruceKelly

Reminds me of the old net surfing maxim, "be careful what you click on because no matter how hard you try, it's impossible to unsee something."

Indeed. Years ago, quite innocent and all that, I clicked on a link titled "Tube Girl." I was affected for a few days after that. Seriously, but I won't go into detail. Suffice to say, those who know of what I speak, know how disturbing that picture is.

560 Gus  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:19:34pm

re: #548 freetoken

Ever since the damn commies took over the public schools the bigots just haven't been able to get a good education!

That reminds me of something. That being public schools. These protests stemmed from the Brown v. Board of Education decision (a unanimous decision).

They also have a map showing which states were affected most by this decision. It sort of ties in with Governor McDonnell's recent decree declaring April "Confederate History Month" in the State of Virginia.

561 BruceKelly  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:19:56pm

re: #559 eclectic infidel

Indeed. Years ago, quite innocent and all that, I clicked on a link titled "Tube Girl." I was affected for a few days after that. Seriously, but I won't go into detail. Suffice to say, those who know of what I speak, know how disturbing that picture is.

Ha! No tube girl, but I've had my share of "I wish I hadn't seen that!" clicks.

nite all

562 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:23:40pm

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

You sire, have won the tu quoque price of the day, by actually using that logical fallacy several times in one thread.

563 freetoken  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:27:34pm

re: #560 Gus 802

It is not mere coincidence that we have seen a radical increase in rhetoric warning us of "communism", the lament against public education, and the re-emergence of the Confederacy supporters simultaneously with the election of the first black President.

564 Gus  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:31:27pm

re: #563 freetoken

It is not mere coincidence that we have seen a radical increase in rhetoric warning us of "communism", the lament against public education, and the re-emergence of the Confederacy supporters simultaneously with the election of the first black President.

I finally understand why in 2008 when someone mentioned that in the context of history and Barrack Obama that the cat calls of Communism and socialism upon Obama was a dog whistle.

565 Cheechako  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:43:14pm

How will President Obama look after 8 years in office? He will look just like many other former Presidents with a full head of gray hair.

566 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:55:09pm

re: #563 freetoken

It is not mere coincidence that we have seen a radical increase in rhetoric warning us of "communism", the lament against public education, and the re-emergence of the Confederacy supporters simultaneously with the election of the first black President.

Cause this hole goshdanged country is flat out goin to hell I tells you! Ya got yer socillists and comunists runnin around everywheres, then all these ferrin people drivin taxis, runnin stores, and hotels and the like. You can't even spit anymore without a hittin one of them ferrin people, theys thicker than fleas on a coon dog.

Most likely alot of them be terrorists to! Come over here to this great country just to rape our woman and take away our guns! Not that we ain't got problem enuff already what with all the uppity black fellas thinkin that they are just as good as a white boy. Back in my pappys day they knew how to handle that kind of disrespectful darkie but nowadays it seems people just ain't got the stomach to do a proper lynchin no more.

I just dont know whats a gonna happen to this country no more, seems like everthin just plain been turned upside down....

/Sigh...you can still find people just like that in Dixie and Levi county here in the "great" state of Florida, I have met them myself, fairly often.

567 Gus  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:56:39pm

Repost with updates.

Evans, Medford S. Forced Integration is Communism in Action. Jackson, Miss.: The Citizens' Council, 1962. (McCain Library Mississippiana E185.61 .E93 1962)

Medford Evans - Civil rights myths and Communist realities by Medford Evans Conservative Society of America, 1965

Medford Evans was a member of the John Birch Society and still referenced at the JBS site. It's important to note that the JBS has made its return with their appearance at CPAC.

Update.

M. Stanton Evans is a contributing editor at Human Events. As author of "Blacklisted by History" he is also the leading figure in the revisionism of Joe McCarthy which even managed to work its way into the recent Texas board of education standards:

Defending McCarthy: Back when McLeroy was chairman of the SBOE, he sent a list of hand-scrawled editing instructions to the board-appointed curriculum writing committee, made up mostly of educators (the exception was McLeroy’s appointee, contrarian conservative gadfly Bill Ames). It included a note on this standard that kicked off a storm of controversy. It read: “Read the latest on McCarthy — he was basically vindicated.”...McLeroy said he got his ideas from a book by M. Staton Evans, a conservative writer, entitled Blacklisted by History. (From The Revision Thing)

SBOE TAC:

(B)
describe how McCarthyism, the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), the arms race, and the space race increased Cold War tensions and how the later release of the Venona Papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government ;

568 Gus  Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:58:45pm

Another informative post from Radical Moderate.

569 Charles Paru  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:03:02am

Not that this means anything, but last week Doonesbury showed former hippie "Zonker" saying the Tea Party movement reminded him of the Yippies in the 1960s...

570 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:05:47am

Racism has generally reared its ugly head following major civil rights advances in America. This happened after the post-civil war reconstruction period; after the Brown v Board of Education and the voter registration movements in the 1950s and 60s; and now after the election of blacks to high political offices throughout America.
The resurgence of the JBS is a recent manifestation of this typically American racist reactionary phenomenon. Hopefully, as in the past, the bigots will be beaten back and will slink back under their various rocks where they belong.

571 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:09:34am

re: #566 ausador

and California, and Illinois, and Missouri, and New York...

572 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:26:59am

re: #570 Spare O'Lake

Then again some of it is just there all the time regardless of politics.

I remember back around 1981 driving with a "good ole boy" from Zephyrhills in the work truck to a job site in Tampa. The route took us past one the larger housing projects in town and he seemed shocked by it. Finally he turned to me and said "Damn boss, you couldn't carry enough ammo in this whole truck to shoot all these n****rs!" I about had a heart attack because the truck had no a/c and the windows were down and we were sitting at a light stopped next to a car load of young blacks who also had their windows down when he blurted it out very loudly and not in the least concerned.

After we got moving again I told him very clearly why I never wanted to hear anything remotely like that from him again or the N word either. He seemed put out that I wasn't "sticking up for my race" but after that I never had any more of that kind of trouble with him.

Still you have to wonder, what in the world would even lead someone to wonder if they could carry enough ammunition in a flatbed dump to kill an entire housing project full of people? What in the hell leads to that kind of thought?

573 Gus  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:33:54am

Mississippi Department of Archives & History

SCR ID # 9-11-1-39-1-1-1

April 20, 1960

SUBJECT: The John Birch Society

...As Mr. Bill Simmons, Administrator of the Citizens' Council, Jakson Mississippi, was in my office on the morning of April 20, 1960...Mr. Simmons stated that Medford Evans professor at the Northwest Lousiana College, Natchitoches, Louisiana, but was fired because of his anti-integration policies. Medford Evans is now associated with the John Birch Society. According to Bill Simons, Medford Evans is a fine fellow. With reference to the question of segregation, Mr. Sommons said that the John Birch Society took no stand with reference to this question, as did a lot of other norther organization[s]. However, they are strong for States' Rights.

More on the Citizens' Councils here:

Though the Citizens’ Council began in Jackson, Mississippi shortly after the creation of the State Sovereignty Commission in 1956, its rhetoric, which encouraged whites to take back America, spread to other states and chapters were established nationwide. For an example of the philosophy of the Citizens’ Council see the flyers published to encourage membership (in the early 1950s) and the advertisement published in Atlantic City during the Democratic Convention in 1964. (#85, #152) The councils held forums and conferences across the nation and published a nationally circulated newspaper.

In 1961, William Higgs, a white Mississippi attorney, filed suit on behalf of himself, R.L.T. Smith, and all black citizens and taxpayers of the state against the Citizens’ Council and Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission for their unconstitutional and illegal use of state funds. The suit also stated that the “Citizens’ Council and Citizens’ Council Forum are organized solely for the purpose of advocating and actively assisting in resistance and violation of the 14th Amendment -- as they [blacks] secure equal treatment and facilities.” In 1968, the Citizens’ Council rebuilt its headquarters in Jackson, MS. As many southern states succumbed to federal mandatory school desegregation measures in the late 60s and early 70s, the Citizens’ Council established private council schools for white children, to prevent them from having to attend school with black children.

574 Gus  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:44:35am

Shedding Light On Dr. Aptheker
Medford Evans
Jackson Daily News, February 5, 1969

Excerpt:

Communists promote integration in Mississippi because Mississippians don't want it...

Closing excerpt:

...Among other reason why Herbert Aptheker is now so influential, not just on the Communist Party, but on the whole US public education, is the fact that he is the leading authority, from the Communist point of view, on the the history of the Negro in America - and through revision of all American history text to give the Negro a more important place is one of the top-priority project in the textbook industry today.

The appearance of Herbert Aptheker at Tougaloo indicates that Mississippi is ripe for new seismic disturbances out of which a few handpicked Negroes may hope to profit, but for which the world Communist movement is responsible, and from which the vast majority of all Mississippians will suffer.

575 Gus  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:55:37am

Newspaper Advertisement, Citizens' Council, 1964

This newspaper advertisement represented the philosophy of the Citizens' Councils, an organization that resulted from the efforts of the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission to defend segregation and white political, economic, and social supremacy. Although begun by the state of Mississippi, ordinary white citizens used the Citizens' Councils to voice anti-integration and anti-equality sentiments. The Citizens’ Councils began in Jackson, Mississippi in 1956, but its rhetoric, which encouraged whites to take back America, spread to other states and chapters were established nationwide. This advertisement appeared during the 1964 Democratic Convention in which the Mississippi Freedom Democratic party attempted to become the Mississippi delegates. The ad invoked Thomas Jefferson in support of the group's segregationist views.

The advertisement uses a quote by Thomas Jefferson dated February 8, 1821:

Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up.

The full quote reads:

“The bill on the subject of slaves was a mere digest of the existing laws respecting them, without any intimation of a plan for a future & general emancipation. It was thought better that this should be kept back, and attempted only by way of amendment whenever the bill should be brought on. The principles of the amendment however were agreed on, that is to say, the freedom of all born after a certain day, and deportation at a proper age. But it was found that the public mind would not yet bear the proposition, nor will it bear it even at this day. Yet the day is not distant when it must bear and adopt it, or worse will follow. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu [equal footing] filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up. We should in vain look for an example in the Spanish deportation or deletion of the Moors. This precedent would fall far short of our case.”

576 NC Gray  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 3:22:35am

Lets see I disagree with government ownership of Banks (under GWBush or Obama) government ownership of car manufactures. I don't think that the government can provide health care insurance to all and distribute the care evenly. I don't want my children saddled with a future expected tax rate exceeding 70%. And all of this makes me a racist?

That is called race baiting, and it is disgusting. Argue on the merritts.

I don't care who is president, white black or Klingon, if they seek to inspire personal responsibility, low taxes and if they recognize that the private sector is the only source for meaningful job creation then I support them.

577 stayfrosty  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 3:24:31am

You gotta be kidding me, Charles. While the right-wing fringe goes off one deep end, you're heading towards the other one with this nonsense.

578 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 3:35:44am

re: #6 darthstar

The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.

Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.

Dead thread but I still keep seeing this argument and it's so out of touch with reality it's starting to hurt my feelings. The republicans lost their majority because of their out-of-control spending habits and the dems are going to be the next party to take it on the chin. I can post a thousand links to show all the uproar over the massive rate of increase of discretionary spending from the libertarian/conservative side of the aisle during the bush admin. Everything from the farm bills, the transportation bills, medicare, and education spending was roundly criticized by large numbers of conservative/libertarians for the entire 8 years and it started biting republicans in the ass in 2006.

I've been saying this since before the VA, NJ, and MA elections and I'm going to continue to say it until it sinks in. This election cycle is about spending. It's not about race, abortion, the religious right, gun rights, gay marriage, the environment, or any other of the dozen side issues.....gov't spending and the economy have been the overriding issues since 2006 and until the political class gets that in their head they're going to continue to get tossed out.

579 dr. luba  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:20:11am

re: #117 sagehen

That a bit of revisionist history.

The first tea party of this movement was April 15, 2009. On tax day, after Obama's inauguration. Fox (especially Beck) was heavily involved in promoting and publicizing it for more than a month before it even happened.

They blamed Obama for the AIG and bank bailouts (which happened before the election), the TARP (part before the election, the rest between the election and inauguration), and the stimulus (okay, that one *was* after he took office -- but half of it was middle-class tax cuts, and half the rest was bailing out states so they wouldn't have to lay off cops and teachers). They also claimed as "a huge increase in deficits" that he moved Iraq war funding from off-budget specials to on-budget.

True. There was little complaining about deficits from the right until the Dems and that scary Obama took over. Tax cuts for the rich? OK. Foreign wars? Fine. Because IOKIYAR.

And, according to Wikipedia:

"The Tea Party movement is a populist United States protest movement that promotes fiscal conservatism. The movement emerged in early 2009, partially in response to the 2009 stimulus package as well as the 2008 bailouts. It has been most visible through a series of Tea Party protests, which began in early 2009. Protesters have utilized the social networking outlets Facebook, Twitter and MySpace as well as blogs and conservative media outlets in promoting Tea Party events."

The movement definitely began after the Inauguration. And, although racism may not have been an inherent part of the Tea Party movement initially, it seems to have become so.

580 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:26:43am

re: #55 Soap_Man

OT: So, my parents are moving and I had to help clean out the basement of the home I grew up in. Anyway, one of the things I found was the VHS of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Original, as in before George Lucas f'ed it up with that "special edition" shit.

So I'm going to watch this now. Goodnight all.

Score!

581 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:31:06am

re: #578 RogueOne

Dead thread but I still keep seeing this argument and it's so out of touch with reality it's starting to hurt my feelings. The republicans lost their majority because of their out-of-control spending habits and the dems are going to be the next party to take it on the chin. I can post a thousand links to show all the uproar over the massive rate of increase of discretionary spending from the libertarian/conservative side of the aisle during the bush admin. Everything from the farm bills, the transportation bills, medicare, and education spending was roundly criticized by large numbers of conservative/libertarians for the entire 8 years and it started biting republicans in the ass in 2006.

I've been saying this since before the VA, NJ, and MA elections and I'm going to continue to say it until it sinks in. This election cycle is about spending. It's not about race, abortion, the religious right, gun rights, gay marriage, the environment, or any other of the dozen side issues...gov't spending and the economy have been the overriding issues since 2006 and until the political class gets that in their head they're going to continue to get tossed out.

Well, you would be right, except for the fact that the MSM & their government friends know this as well, and have been doing an awesome "crop" job on what Americans are actually angry about.

You may safely expect the majority of this year's election time coverage to look as though Michael Moore commissioned it.

582 dr. luba  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:52:55am

re: #458 swamprat

When you look at the Republican percentages, it really puts things in perspective.

Yes. It shows that the Republican party is not the party it used to be. It was once the party of Lincoln. It has become the party of Stom Thurmond.

What do you think happened to all those southern Democrats who opposed Civil Rights legislation? Have you heard of the Southern Strategy? And to you wonder why the south is now solidly Republican?

When LBJ signed the CRA, he noted that the Democrats would lose the south for a generation. He was right about the loss, but off on the timing. It has been much longer.

And good riddance. The Republicans can keep the southern racists, and go celebrate Confederate History Month together (Virginia), or learn about Jefferson Davis' inaugural speech (Texas) while ignoring Jefferson.

583 dr. luba  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:54:10am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Chopra Blames Own Meditation for Baja Quake

Chopra is an ass. And in other news, water is still wet.

584 laZardo  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:54:13am

When I said that conservatism didn't have any constant party affiliation, I look to pictures like these as proof. At the time I'll bet most of the people in the crowd were proud Democrats/Dixiecrats.

585 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:55:59am

re: #584 laZardo

When I said that conservatism didn't have any constant party affiliation, I look to pictures like these as proof. At the time I'll bet most of the people in the crowd were proud Democrats/Dixiecrats.

From my post last night...

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

FYI

I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).

This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.

And interesting story on the incident can be found at...

[Link: www.time.com...]

The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States

Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)

Conway, Arkansas, United States

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg

Religion Southern Baptist

FYI

586 laZardo  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:03:32am

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

Greenheart'd for reference.

587 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:07:35am
588 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:20:27am

re: #67 prairiefire

brag off, thanks for the dings, guys

This is a very interesting thread. One for the history books as far as hashing out the future of our country.

589 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:28:29am
590 taddow  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:42:31am

so, garhighway, i'm a racist?

591 shreck  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:00:52am

Can't be tea partiers, those were dyed in the wool democrats.

592 im_gumby_damnit  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:18:27am

Where can I get a pair of those bad ass, shit kickin looking shades those dudes are wearing up front? Gumby would look pretty damn intimidating in a pair of those.

593 middy  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:19:14am

re: #591 shreck

Can't be tea partiers, those were dyed in the wool democrats.

At the time they were probably Democrats. Now, most of them and their descendants are Republicans.

Hear that sound? It's Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater spinning in their graves.

594 garhighway  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:19:17am

re: #590 taddow

so, garhighway, i'm a racist?

If you are the guy standing next to the yahoo yelling "Go back to Africa!" and doing nothing about it, then yes, you are a racist. Or a coward.

Are you that guy? You tell me.

595 garhighway  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:21:27am

re: #593 middy

At the time they were probably Democrats. Now, most of them and their descendants are Republicans.

Hear that sound? It's Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater spinning in their graves.

As was noted here earlier, with the passage of the CRA of 1964, the Democratic Party pretty much ended their relationship with the Southern racist political establishment.

But they weren't homeless for long, were they?

596 middy  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:23:48am

re: #595 garhighway

As was noted here earlier, with the passage of the CRA of 1964, the Democratic Party pretty much ended their relationship with the Southern racist political establishment.

But they weren't homeless for long, were they?

Indeed.

597 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:25:11am
598 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:55:11am

So all tea party people are racist scum because some idiots are racist , ergo all muslims are terrorist because some are? I don't see how you can condemn a whole group of people because of a few idiots. Further by that logic because the ACLU fought for NAMBLA rights all ACLU members are pro pedophiles? Am i missing something? Sounds like guilt by association to me.

599 bosforus  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:08:47am

re: #1 darthstar

Well, aside from the clothing, they look like today's tea party.

This crows looks a little thinner.

600 bosforus  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:08:59am

re: #599 bosforus

crowd

601 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:17:35am

re: #576 NC Gray

Lets see I disagree with government ownership of Banks (under GWBush or Obama) government ownership of car manufactures. I don't think that the government can provide health care insurance to all and distribute the care evenly. I don't want my children saddled with a future expected tax rate exceeding 70%. And all of this makes me a racist?

That is called race baiting, and it is disgusting. Argue on the merritts.

I don't care who is president, white black or Klingon, if they seek to inspire personal responsibility, low taxes and if they recognize that the private sector is the only source for meaningful job creation then I support them.

My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!

602 bj  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:51:06am

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

FYI

I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).

This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.

And interesting story on the incident can be found at...

[Link: www.time.com...]

The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States

Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)

Conway, Arkansas, United States

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg

Religion Southern Baptist

FYI

What a horrible time in AR particularly. fabus was a mainstay/leader in the "good ol' boy" network of politicians that owned this state and who were proudly dixiecrats, democrats and, truth be known, probably kkk as well. There was hardly a Republican or Independent in state, city or county office (in this state) at the time of the segregation riots in Little Rock. fabus, et.al., was not only a blight on state history but on humanity as well.

603 NC Gray  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:11:58am

James Fire Cat
"My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!"

My statement was meaningful JOB CREATION. Unless your dad has the ability to bring approx 25 million unemployed folks on the the FDA pay roll then my comment stands.
As far as whether or not your dad's job is meaningful, the test for me as a tax payer is could your dad make more money in the private sector? If he could then I solute him because that is true 'public service' otherwise he is just one of the many on the government tit.

604 reidr  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:20:30am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.

Though strongly tempted, I wasn't going to downding, but then I saw "Democrat party".

605 bratwurst  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:30:55am

re: #598 Brent Favre

Am i missing something?

In a word? Yes.

606 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:34:41am

re: #605 bratwurst

Enlighten me.

607 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:11:13am

re: #598 Brent Favre

Flaming strawman that was ashes before you threw it out. Charles didn't say "ALL" -- you did.

608 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:19:05am

re: #607 Thanos

Why bring charles into this? I never said he said it but it is implied throughout the media, dont be obtuse. Like showing the same picture and lableing it Democrats party down south. So since you think its a flaming strawman you personally dont think they are racist right?

609 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:31:09am

Amazing. I post a picture with no commentary except a title, and dozens of people pop out of the woodwork screaming that I'm calling them racists.

Why are you so anxious to feel persecuted?

610 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:32:47am

By the way, the people in the photo above almost certainly belong to the John Birch Society -- those slogans are straight out of Bircher territory.

Where do we find the John Birch Society today? At CPAC, and organizing tea party protests.

Of course, that's all a coincidence to the wingnuts.

611 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:39:35am

Appologies, i just need to stop watching the local news so much.
The caption of Tea Party, circa 1950 to me seemed like it was saying that the tea party of today was just like those idiots in the picture. I should know better than to assume as the old saying goes. Sorry, thought you were condeming all of them with the racist tag because of a few nutbags.

612 bratwurst  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:02am

re: #611 Brent Favre

Appologies, i just need to stop watching the local news so much.
The caption of Tea Party, circa 1950 to me seemed like it was saying that the tea party of today was just like those idiots in the picture. I should know better than to assume as the old saying goes. Sorry, thought you were condeming all of them with the racist tag because of a few nutbags.

See my 605.

613 filetandrelease  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:24am

Isn't that Senator Byrd, the former leader of the Democrat party, in the middle holding the flag?

614 garhighway  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:37am

re: #603 NC Gray

James Fire Cat
"My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!"

My statement was meaningful JOB CREATION. Unless your dad has the ability to bring approx 25 million unemployed folks on the the FDA pay roll then my comment stands.
As far as whether or not your dad's job is meaningful, the test for me as a tax payer is could your dad make more money in the private sector? If he could then I solute him because that is true 'public service' otherwise he is just one of the many on the government tit.

Let me get this straight. Assume a hypothetical FDA doctor that checks to see drugs submitted for approval are going to be safe and effective. He or she does that job well, ensuring that Merck or Pfizer or whomever doesn't hit us with another Thalidomide (again, for example).

Merely doing that job well and being paid a fair wage for it is, in your mind, not enough to escape the "just one of the many on the government tit" label? You don't care whether we need the function performed well? You don't care whether the function is, in fact, performed well?

Please elaborate.

And any others in the "I hate the Feds" mode feel free to chime in. Do you hate this hypothetical FDA doctor? Would we rather we simply trust Pfizer? Please join in.

615 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:53am

re: #612 bratwurst

My bad

616 garhighway  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:42:25am

re: #613 filetandrelease

Isn't that Senator Byrd, the former leader of the Democrat party, in the middle holding the flag?

You're a little late to the party with that one.

617 filetandrelease  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:44:27am

re: #616 garhighway

Sorry, too many comments to catch up, read the first few dozen.

618 bratwurst  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:44:40am

re: #616 garhighway

You're a little late to the party with that one.

Like Jell-O, there's always room for more.

619 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:47:50am

re: #613 filetandrelease

Isn't that Senator Byrd, the former leader of the Democrat party, in the middle holding the flag?

Just like clockwork. Robert Byrd again. Oooh, the boogeyman! Look out for Robert Byrd!

620 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:48:53am

re: #611 Brent Favre

Appologies, i just need to stop watching the local news so much.
The caption of Tea Party, circa 1950 to me seemed like it was saying that the tea party of today was just like those idiots in the picture. I should know better than to assume as the old saying goes. Sorry, thought you were condeming all of them with the racist tag because of a few nutbags.

Condemning "all of them?" No, I'm quite sure that every single tea party protester is not a racist.

Just a lot of them. And most of the organizers.

621 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:52:03am

re: #608 Brent Favre

Must have hit home there. I think you are being overly defensive. After all it's not a secret at all that many of the Tea parties in the SE are being org'ed by the Council of Conservative Citizens --- ex dixiecrats who are now Republicans.

622 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:56:07am

re: #621 Thanos
Actually just registered independent living in flyover country who needs to do more research... first i need to find the time. Any suggestions for sites beside this one?

623 filetandrelease  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:57:41am

re: #619 Charles

It is relevant. Race bigotry crossed party lines in the 1950's.

And todays tea party movement has nothing to do with race. Attempting to connect todays movement with a 1950's anti race mixing movement is disingenuous.

624 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:01:55am

re: #623 filetandrelease

It is relevant. Race bigotry crossed party lines in the 1950's.

And todays tea party movement has nothing to do with race. Attempting to connect todays movement with a 1950's anti race mixing movement is disingenuous.

Right. No racism at the tea parties at all. Nope. Just not there.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

All these photos must be fakes.

625 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:03:16am

And let's not forget this lovely image, circulated by a tea party organizer, that appeared at several of these protests:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What racism?

626 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:03:18am

re: #622 Brent Favre

Actually just registered independent living in flyover country who needs to do more research... first i need to find the time. Any suggestions for sites beside this one?

Read them all but watch for their bias -- who's paying the checks to the website? Who is advertising there? Are extremist sites like Stormfront etc. linking often? Does their outrage of the day start first in places like Alex Jones, Prison Planet, Antiwar.com, and other extremist sites?
E.G. you know that MSNBC, Daily Kos, etc. have a bias, learn the bias' of the sites on the far right as well.

627 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:08:43am

It's point isn't that all tea partiers are racist -- it's that they are populist and open to any extremist riding their coat tails. That's why they don't chase the Birchers, the Constitution party, the CoCC, and the rest of the extremists off. In many cases the organizers and the demonstrators come from those groups. You don't see any outrage among the tea partiers about the coat tail riders, instead you see defensiveness and obfuscations like "the left does it too".

I'm a life long Republican, these bigots and extremists don't belong in my party, and if they aren't run off soon I will be in the same position Zell Miller was a while back -- my party will have left me and I will be forced to join the other.

628 garhighway  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:13:52am

re: #627 Thanos

It's point isn't that all tea partiers are racist -- it's that they are populist and open to any extremist riding their coat tails. That's why they don't chase the Birchers, the Constitution party, the CoCC, and the rest of the extremists off. In many cases the organizers and the demonstrators come from those groups. You don't see any outrage among the tea partiers about the coat tail riders, instead you see defensiveness and obfuscations like "the left does it too".

I'm a life long Republican, these bigots and extremists don't belong in my party, and if they aren't run off soon I will be in the same position Zell Miller was a while back -- my party will have left me and I will be forced to join the other.

Until the teabaggers chase off the racists, they get stained by their membership. When someone at their rally shouts "send him back to Africa" and everyone cheers, what more do we need to know?

629 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:15:09am

re: #621 Thanos

BTW: If you want to skip to the meat of CoCC and the tea parties it's about 15 mins in.

630 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:19:19am

Three source documents by Confederate leaders are posted above. The centrality of slaveholding is shown in their own words.

631 sarabande  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:33:08am

The recent Quinnipiac University poll probably didn't hold too many surprises. But there were a couple of interesting things. From the poll:

* 74 percent are Republicans or independent voters leaning Republican;
* 16 percent are Democrats or independent voters leaning Democratic;
* 5 percent are solidly independent;
* 45 percent are men;
* 55 percent are women;
* 88 percent are white;
* 77 percent voted for Sen. John McCain in 2008;
* 15 percent voted for President Barack Obama.

Fifty-five percent women? So much for the angry-male.
Eight-eight percent are white. Does that mean ... twelve percent are non-white?

[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]

632 cgn38navy  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:33:53am

This is bullshit. I personally know the tea party leaders in my city and they are not racist at all. I suppose you secretly agree with the notion that the black tea partiers are "uncle toms"? You lefty's are grasping at straws trying to discredit the organiziation because you can't debate the ideas honestly. The elections are coming.

633 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:39:05am

Here come the excuse makers.

634 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:51:38am

re: #603 NC Gray

James Fire Cat
"My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!"

My statement was meaningful JOB CREATION. Unless your dad has the ability to bring approx 25 million unemployed folks on the the FDA pay roll then my comment stands.
As far as whether or not your dad's job is meaningful, the test for me as a tax payer is could your dad make more money in the private sector? If he could then I solute him because that is true 'public service' otherwise he is just one of the many on the government tit.

Thank you for comparing my father who has a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD in phsyics to a helpless infant because he decided to seek our a career that offered him solid long term employment and health insurance for his family.

635 filetandrelease  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:57:24am

re: #624 Charles

I didn't say there was no racism there, but that the current tea party movement is not about race, contrary to the ralley in the article you posted.

636 kutabeach  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:06:23am

re: #633 Charles

Here come the excuse makers.

How can anyone excuse the pic from the 1950s?

And why would anyone use such a broad brush to paint the entire tea party movement? That is silly.

637 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:20:02am

re: #636 kutabeach

And why would anyone use such a broad brush to paint the entire tea party movement?

Because the tea party "movement" is a deeply divisive and destructive force in American politics, and many if not most of its leaders are outright extremists, Ron Paul activists, John Birch Society members, etc.

If you expect positive coverage of this atavistic and ugly movement, I suggest you go hang out at Free Republic.

638 cgn38navy  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:29:49am

re: #637 Charles
I believe you are absolutely wrong on this. The two leaders I know are small businesmen who are ethical, honest, and very concerned about government intrusion into our lives. Granted, my experience is anecdotal, but I believe the vast majority involved are the same.

639 usufruct  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:29:54am

Out here in Arizona, many of the local teaparties are directly tied to John Birch Society through shared membership of many of the active participants. The point about this connection with the crazies in the picture is not a stretch at all.

640 garhighway  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:31:45am

re: #638 cgn38navy

I believe you are absolutely wrong on this. The two leaders I know are small businesmen who are ethical, honest, and very concerned about government intrusion into our lives. Granted, my experience is anecdotal, but I believe the vast majority involved are the same.

So what do your buddies do when people show with the signs discussed earlier, or utter the slogans or chants mentioned upthread?

That is the test.

641 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:36:24am

CNN shares my experience.

Like me, they do not deny there are isolated jerks at Tea Parties. And like me, they do not pretend it's fair to generalize an entire movement as evil because of a few outliers.

You can decide for yourself, happily, if you attend the April 15th party, and I challenge each and every single one of you folks to attend. Bring a sign condemning racism or criticizing Bush's spending or saying anything you want, and help me define the Tea Party as opposed to the bad seeds.

I honestly would appreciate it. I can't justify or explain away every bad guy, but I do not think it's reasonable to tarnish anyone associated tangentially with bad seeds by mere attendance at the same event. The Tea Party is simply extremely disorganized, for better and for worse. It boos republicans a lot, it's got a lot of democrats, and it's easy to pretend someone's a Tea Party leader. I could easily say that I'm a Tea Party leader, if I wanted to, and from attending dozens of protests I could probably convince the media to report me as such (I have helped organize the basics a couple of times, in Austin, Texas).

Just to repeat my argument to be as clear as I can: most of us agree, I think, that US Government spending and intrusion is excessive. We probably differ on all kinds of things, but we agree on this. If we all unite, democrats, republicans, and independents, to demand spending sustainability and less intrusion into our lives I think we all can win a huge victory, saving our disagreements for another day and a better country for our kids. This is a cheap point, but I'm not white, and I voted for Al Gore and Bill Clinton. I am disgusted by, and condemn, isolated racism at Tea Parties, but also disgusted when people try to hustle us around from the real point of the movement. Think about how that logic can be applied to any movement. The Anti-Torture protest movement (I'm part of it) has many truthers. The Anti-Bush movement has many violent protestors. The Anti-Islamofacism movement has many racists and religiously intolerant.

And they all have good seeds that condemn the jerks. I choose to let the good seeds give me their argument, undermining the power of the jerks. And here you are, with a Tea Partier who condemns racists, asking you to join me. It is a logical mistake to ignore the argument of less spending because of a few reports of nuts.

Also, I owe an apology. I don't read this blog often (And forgot I even had a login until I saw my browser had saved a password). Patterico's blog mentioned a series of viewpoint based bannings, and I must have gotten the wrong impression of the likelihood my civil disagreement would result in a banning. I think Charles is being extremely unfair in his stereotyping, and I think it's the classic reasoning that has led to so many problems in our nation's history, but I appreciate that he's willing to let me express my opinions on that.

642 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:39:02am

re: #641 Shill

You can decide for yourself, happily, if you attend the April 15th party, and I challenge each and every single one of you folks to attend.

If you attend a tea party, you are supporting extremists and racists, the John Birch Society, the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty, and an assortment of far right astroturfing groups.

643 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:43:04am

re: #641 Shill

Prove it by getting the Birch Society kicked out of anything having to do with the Tea Party, and by separating Dick Armey from the Tea Party movement, and you might have made a start in convincing me.

644 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:43:23am

re: #640 garhighway

So what do your buddies do when people show with the signs discussed earlier, or utter the slogans or chants mentioned upthread?

That is the test.

Consider how that test applies to Muslims. Or democrats. Or blacks.

I have seen first hand tea partiers condemn racists to their faces. I have done so. I did so on this blog repeatedly.

And many Muslims condemn the 9/11 attacks (etc etc). Many blacks condemn the various stereotype problems used as attacks on the 'black community', such as Bill Cosby talking about family values. Many democrats condemn truthers, even though a substantial number of pro democrat protestors and speakers and websites and donors are truthers.

I think that's satisfactory. You can't claim the Tea Party doesn't have anyone condemning the racists, since I am doing so right here. But why does that matter at all? We are individuals. I'm no racist. I don't have a single thing to apologize for. I protest about spending and intrusion. Bill Cosby doesn't have anything to apologize for. My Muslim Grandma didn't have anything to apologize for on 9/11.

Tea Partiers by and large do not agree with the insano few kooks. They usually ignore them, because they seem to be seeking attention (same reason they claim they are the Tea Party leadership). But many condemn them. And either way, it has no logical relevance to the case for or against big government, my friend.

All I can really do is ask democrats and others who are apprehensive about the movement to help me speak out in a good way.

645 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:45:15am

re: #642 Charles

If you attend a tea party, you are supporting extremists and racists, the John Birch Society, the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty, and an assortment of far right astroturfing groups.

If that's the case, it's by accident. I think you realize this. And without intent, I don't see how I'm morally culpable. But this is arguing past my view about the spending of government leading us to a lot of problems.

I don't want the racists to be able to define and destroy everything they touch.

646 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:46:52am

re: #645 Shill

I don't want the racists to be able to define and destroy everything they touch.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]


If the National Tea Party Convention hoped to keep its focus on political organizing and its message on limited government, it has had little success so far.

Capping the first full day of the meeting, right-wing instigator Joseph Farah spent much of his dinner speech questioning whether President Obama was born in Hawaii and casting doubt on whether the president was legitimately elected.

“The media, the politicians … all say, no, it’s all been settled. I say, if it’s been settled show us the birth certificate. Simple,” Farah’s said, as his remarks were cheered by the roughly 600 activists gathered in Nashville for the event.

647 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:48:29am

re: #643 Obdicut

Prove it by getting the Birch Society kicked out of anything having to do with the Tea Party, and by separating Dick Armey from the Tea Party movement, and you might have made a start in convincing me.

The Tea Party, at least my exposure to it, is extremely disorganized. I don't think what you're demanding is possible. I'd love to do it, but I don't think the grassroots movement (and seriously, I know there is a huge aspect of the Tea Party that is beyond anyone's personal control) makes it possible.

I don't know Dick Armey well enough to know what he did that's the problem.

Anyway, I could easily demand the Muslims get the terrorists kicked out of anything having to do with Islam, and democrats get the truthers kicked out of anything having to do with their party. I think such requests would be unfair. I have to run again, but I'll return when I have a chance. Thanks.

648 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:48:55am

re: #645 Shill

Who is it that you link to in your profile and in your nic in the header of your comments?

649 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:51:13am

re: #646 Obdicut

Farah and 600 birther idiots. And millions who disagree with them.

Granted, there are tons and tons of birthers out there. And of course, people who don't like Obama are going to be more receptive to the Tea Party.

It's a lot like how truthers are more likely to oppose the GOP than support it.

I don't know how to solve this problem. Abandon the Tea Party? I wanted to reduce the size and scope of government, and this is the best way I'm aware of. So my solution, as I think I've been upfront about, is to ask you, a fellow anti-kook, to join the Tea Party.

650 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:51:21am

re: #645 Shill

Would you please explain why you chose the image you're using for your icon?

651 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:53:30am

re: #648 wrenchwench

Who is it that you link to in your profile and in your nic in the header of your comments?

Respectfully, I would rather discuss the Tea Party.

652 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:54:21am

re: #650 Reginald Perrin

Would you please explain why you chose the image you're using for your icon?

I would rather discuss the Tea Party.

But I think the "one" puns directed at Obama are generally amusing.

653 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:55:02am

re: #651 Shill

Respectfully, I would rather discuss defend defend defend the Tea Party.


FTFY

654 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:56:45am

re: #653 wrenchwench

FTFY

Fair enough. Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I know a lot of them, am one, and a lot of my family are.

And look at the post. A lot of good people I know are unfairly being compared to 1950s bigots.

655 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:57:53am

re: #654 Shill

Fair enough. Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I know a lot of them, am one, and a lot of my family are.

And look at the post. A lot of good people I know are unfairly being compared to 1950s bigots.

And you changed the link in your nic. What kind of Shill are you?

656 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:58:32am

re: #645 Shill

If that's the case, it's by accident. I think you realize this. And without intent, I don't see how I'm morally culpable. But this is arguing past my view about the spending of government leading us to a lot of problems.

I don't want the racists to be able to define and destroy everything they touch.


Ahh yes the Sergeant Schultz defense... I KNOW NOTHINK!

657 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:01:31pm

re: #655 wrenchwench

Yeah, I did. I didn't want to cause anyone any harm, frankly. I am not familiar enough with this community to know what kind of precautions to take, but the new link is also intended in humor.

No disrespect is intended, and I think that's clear from my tone.

I picked my nick, Shill, because I was using a special unicode in my nick at a different blog, ace of spades, some time (I think years?) ago, when I registered here. It wasn't possible for all nicks. I like self deprecating humor, anyway.

I would much rather discuss the Tea Party.

658 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:04:41pm

re: #657 Shill


I picked my nick, Shill, because I was using a special unicode in my nick at a different blog, ace of spades, some time (I think years?) ago, when I registered here. It wasn't possible for all nicks. I like self deprecating humor, anyway.

I would much rather discuss the Tea Party.

Ace of Spades?

Why am I not surprised

659 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:05:20pm

re: #656 jamesfirecat

Ahh yes the Sergeant Schultz defense... I KNOW NOTHINK!

I don't like those kooks, and am arguing specifically for something I think most people should discuss and consider and is decidedly not kooky.

I don't mean to help the birchers or the racists. Honestly, that's the truth. You can choose to mock that, but please reconsider. Imagine all the good that the democrats have done despite being, at one time, very closely associated with the Klan in the South. imagine if the good folks abandoned things that were stained at the edges by horrible people.

I don't want that to happen to the Tea Party. It seems to be growing, diverse, and making some kind of difference right now (I realize some deny that).

660 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:07:05pm

re: #657 Shill

For someone so enamored of the Tea Party, I would think you would be more interested in those who were among the founders.

I don't know Dick Armey well enough to know what he did that's the problem.
661 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:07:06pm

re: #658 Reginald Perrin

Ace of Spades?

Why am I not surprised

'meh. I read a lot of blogs. Crooks and Liars, Instapundit, Patterico, Atrios, Daily Kos, NYT blogs, CNN blogs, and on and on.

I don't think Ace is that bad. He's not a racist or a bircher, that's for sure.

662 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:08:36pm

re: #659 Shill

I don't like those kooks, and am arguing specifically for something I think most people should discuss and consider and is decidedly not kooky.

I don't mean to help the birchers or the racists. Honestly, that's the truth. You can choose to mock that, but please reconsider. Imagine all the good that the democrats have done despite being, at one time, very closely associated with the Klan in the South. imagine if the good folks abandoned things that were stained at the edges by horrible people.

I don't want that to happen to the Tea Party. It seems to be growing, diverse, and making some kind of difference right now (I realize some deny that).

I'm sorry I refuse to believe that something that was born out of spite can become a good thing.

The Tea Party can make no claim to being chiefly about people being afraid of the government spending too much money because they stayed silent while Bush pissed away our money on two wars in the Middle East.

I'd suggest trying to co-opt a movement that was started with a negative conotation, go start something new and fresh rather than trying to pump water out of a sinking ship.

663 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:11:02pm

re: #659 Shill

I don't mean to help the birchers or the racists. Honestly, that's the truth.

And yet, you are.

664 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:13:07pm

re: #660 wrenchwench

For someone so enamored of the Tea Party, I would think you would be more interested in those who were among the founders.

Well, I'm not all that interested in that. That seems a lot like an ad hominem style of reasoning. I'm much more interested in the vailidity of the argument that we are "Taxed enough already" or "don't tread on m[y personal insurance decisions]" or "We're spending far more than we can presently afford" etc etc etc.

You have identified a core disagreement we have. I want to focus on the actual argument. Satan himself could rise from hell and tell me that 2+2=4, and while I wouldn't wave a sign around to that effect, he'd be right.

Again, I don't even know what Dick Armey did that's so bad... but any movement of size has got this kind of taint to it. Show me one, the size of the Tea Party, that doesn't. Even Amnesty International and the Catholic Church have plenty of deeply disturbing scandals.

I am not trying to help Dick Armey do whatever it is he's done that's terrible (and you're probably right that he did something terrible, or you wouldn't bring it up).

665 The Left  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:14:37pm

re: #661 Shill

'meh. I read a lot of blogs. Crooks and Liars, Instapundit, Patterico, Atrios, Daily Kos, NYT blogs, CNN blogs, and on and on.

I don't think Ace is that bad. He's not a racist or a bircher, that's for sure.

Ace is scum.
Misogynistic scum.

666 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:18:02pm

re: #663 Charles

And yet, you are.

I wonder about that. Seriously, if the ultimate effect of the tea party is to divide our country by race or be anti immigrant (in my life, this is the primary annoyance from the Birchers, though obviously not the only one) then I have failed, the Tea Party was evil, and I was helping the bad guys.

I don't think that's what's happening at all. I think we're going to have the primary effect of leading to a government with two party power, which will move more slowly, spend less, and check eachother more effectively.

Seriously, that's what I think I'm doing. I'm not perfect, and if I'm being duped I'm sorry. But I don't think I am, just because some of the people attracted to reasonable criticism of Obama and Pelosi and Reid are ultra right wing extremists. I guess I just expect some riff raff like that.

667 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:18:44pm

re: #665 iceweasel

Ace is scum.
Misogynistic scum.

Fair criticism, I admit.

668 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:18:58pm

re: #666 Shill

I wonder about that.

No, actually -- you're determinedly denying it, despite the evidence that's right in front of you.

669 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:20:31pm

OK, I really need to go, and I don't want to spam the threads. But I'll return and try to address as many of you as I can.

Can we at least agree that a hypothetical movement based on reducing the spending of our government is a worthy endeavor, if we can stipulate this hypothetical movement is not defined by racists and other bad folks?

670 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:20:58pm

re: #664 Shill

Again, I don't even know what Dick Armey did that's so bad... but any movement of size has got this kind of taint to it.

He (among others) started the Tea Party movement. Yes, any movement has some taint. Not always at the top and from the start, though.

671 Brent Favre  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:21:30pm

This is why i am a registered independent. That way i cant be painted with the brush of the idiots in the party or their respective platforms, i can pick and choose which i like and support and what i dont. So if you are a dem, rep, or tea then anything that any member of those parties do reflects on you and means you support it? I think that is a little wack

672 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:22:07pm

re: #669 Shill

OK, I really need to go, and I don't want to spam the threads. But I'll return and try to address as many of you as I can.

Can we at least agree that a hypothetical movement based on reducing the spending of our government is a worthy endeavor, if we can stipulate this hypothetical movement is not defined by racists and other bad folks?

No, I won't stipulate any such thing. The leaders of this "movement" are racists and extremists.

673 Shill  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:23:11pm

re: #668 Charles

No, actually -- you're determinedly denying it, despite the evidence that's right in front of you.

50 year old pictures of racists? That's what I'm defending the Tea Party from.

What did I deny? I said there were racists and nuts. I said that such a thing doesn't actually affect the logic of certain claims I made about government spending.

And of course, the demographic polls prove that the Tea Party is very similar in makeup to the American people, with a notable exception of having half the ratio of blacks. It's not perfect. I'm not denying the jerks exist, either. But I think the evidence is powerful that the Tea Party is not about hating our black president.

674 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:23:21pm

re: #665 iceweasel

I hope Jimmah and you don't mind that I posted (with attributions) your
Ballad of The Screen Berets. It ended up being the highest rated comment at Think Progress that day.

675 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:24:18pm

re: #667 Shill

Fair criticism, I admit.

Ah, so you're gutless, too. First you say Ace isn't that bad, and then you agree he's scum.

You have real character.

676 The Left  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:26:15pm

re: #674 Reginald Perrin

I hope Jimmah and you don't mind that I posted (with attributions) your
Ballad of The Screen Berets. It ended up being the highest rated comment at Think Progress that day.

Cool! Thanks-- did not know that!

I trust you've seen our Butthurt Level Warning System for Greater WIngnuttia-- that went over well at Balloon Juice, heh.

Etc. ;-)

677 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:28:11pm

re: #676 iceweasel

re: #676 iceweasel

I trust you've seen our Butthurt Level Warning System for Greater WIngnuttia-- that went over well at Balloon Juice, heh.


[Video]Etc. ;-)

I have borrowed those too, they have come in handy quite a few times.

678 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:29:59pm

"Brent Favre" is a previously banned sock puppet, who was thrown out for spewing insults all over LGF.

Now banned again.

679 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:34:22pm

re: #678 Charles

"Brent Favre" is a previously banned sock puppet, who was thrown out for spewing insults all over LGF.

Now banned again.

The mouse police never sleep.

680 NC Gray  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 1:41:22pm

re: #614 garhighway


Fair point. My thought was that we need some private sector employment growth. Simply put the government cannot hire enough. There are many working for the government who do a great job. But certainly there are others that don't. I don't believe that state government DMV offices have the monopoly on poor service.

681 ThisisMatt  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:05:49pm

I am sorry. I just think this comparison is out of bounds. The Tea Party has members who are not racist or birthers and painting them with this way does not advance either side. Some of them, or course, are morons (racists and birthers) and they deserve to be run out of any decent group of people.

We have to get away from this type or rhetoric on both side.

682 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:14:51pm

re: #681 ThisisMatt

Matt, your concern has been duly noted.

683 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:50:56pm
684 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:52:58pm
685 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:02:42pm
686 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:47:08pm
687 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:52:16pm

Here come the nuts.

688 PaxAmericana  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:12:35pm

4 deletes in a row? More like, "there go the nuts." BTW, I have a feeling they came from Right-Thinking from the Left Coast. They linked to this article today.

689 suboptimal  Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:17:57pm

re: #543 Charles

I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.

If you do, don't forget to post the video at youtube.


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