Tea Partiers, Circa 1950
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This didn’t start with Barack Obama’s election.
This didn’t start with Barack Obama’s election.
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darthstar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 7:59:21pm |
Well, aside from the clothing, they look like today's tea party.
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pharmmajor Tue, Apr 6, 2010 7:59:27pm |
It is a shame; the Tea Parties started out when Bush was in office to protest his policies and wasteful spending, but now they've been co-opted by the rabid right-wing and turned into a hate fest. Now you even mention that you're a libertarian or conservative who wants less government and you're sure to be lumped in with the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck-esque nutjobs who took over the movement.
So yeah, guess all I really want to say is f*ck the wingnuts who stole our movement to make it a platform for their craziness.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:00:05pm |
///Notice how there aren't any black people protesting how they don't want to be mixed with us whities? What's up with that? They think they're too good for us?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:00:20pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Well, aside from the clothing, they look like today's tea party.
Uh, no. They all have round hats and regular clothes.
/
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darthstar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:01:12pm |
re: #2 pharmmajor
The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.
Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.
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Unakite Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:01:50pm |
re: #4 jamesfirecat
///Notice how there aren't any black people protesting how they don't want to be mixed with us whities? What's up with that? They think they're too good for us?
No, they did that in Philadelphia.
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pharmmajor Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:02:55pm |
re: #6 darthstar
The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.
And libertarians; but the press didn't give us any real coverage and instead chose to lump us in with the liberals.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:03:51pm |
A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:05:28pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?
For the pics or the Jewish plot?
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darthstar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:05:38pm |
re: #9 pharmmajor
And libertarians; but the press didn't give us any real coverage and instead chose to lump us in with the liberals.
The press has a hard time getting past the first syllable.
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pharmmajor Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:06:31pm |
re: #12 darthstar
The press has a hard time getting past the first syllable.
That's why I gave up on American news media long ago.
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darthstar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:06:32pm |
Okay...NCIS time...opening a VPN connection so I can run some SQL queries...have fun everyone.
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Unakite Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:07:12pm |
re: #6 darthstar
The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.
Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.
With respect, there were a ton of voices on the right that were against Bush's wasteful spending (and not Ron Paul). They just happened to be voices on the right that voices on the left didn't agree with on a lot of other stuff.
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What, me worry? Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:07:28pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?
The Jews were sympathetic to Black causes. They still are. The first president of the NAACP was Jewish. Of course, they would call it a "plot to race mix".
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:08:08pm |
There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:08:22pm |
Colbert has an interesting lineup tonight. Al Sharpton, a crazy meteorologist and a climate scientist. Should be entertaining.
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What, me worry? Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:08:39pm |
re: #17 NJDhockeyfan
There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.
Yea, all 2 of them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:09:44pm |
re: #17 NJDhockeyfan
There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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Unakite Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:09:52pm |
re: #18 recusancy
Colbert has an interesting lineup tonight. Al Sharpton, a crazy meteorologist and a climate scientist. Should be entertaining.
You sure it's not a meteorologist and a crazy climate scientist??
///(ooh, this is going to hurt) :)
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Ugh. Disgusting. but I found some.
[Link: incogman.wordpress.com...]
That's a cache of a virulent antisemitic asshole. Apologies for linking to such crap, even via cache. But it does contain a poster alleging that Jews promote 'race-mixing' for whites even as they refrain from it themselves.
Fucking antisemites. They're so creepy!
Warning: That site is terrible.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:13:18pm |
re: #21 Unakite
You sure it's not a meteorologist and a crazy climate scientist??
///(ooh, this is going to hurt) :)
Nope.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:13:25pm |
re: #19 marjoriemoon
Yea, all 2 of them.
C'mon...the AP had a big story on that today.
Black Conservative Tea Party Backers Take Heat
They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement — and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.
"I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.
"Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said.
Johnson and other black conservatives say they were drawn to the tea party movement because of what they consider its commonsense fiscal values of controlled spending, less taxes and smaller government. The fact that they're black — or that most tea partyers are white — should have nothing to do with it, they say.
"You have to be honest and true to yourself. What am I supposed to do, vote Democratic just to be popular? Just to fit in?" asked Clifton Bazar, a 45-year-old New Jersey freelance photographer and conservative blogger.
Opponents have branded the tea party as a group of racists hiding behind economic concerns — and reports that some tea partyers were lobbing racist slurs at black congressmen during last month's heated health care vote give them ammunition.
But these black conservatives don't consider racism representative of the movement as a whole — or race a reason to support it.
Angela McGlowan, a black congressional candidate from Mississippi, said her tea party involvement is "not about a black or white issue."
"It's not even about Republican or Democrat, from my standpoint," she told The Associated Press. "All of us are taxed too much."
Still, she's in the minority. As a nascent grassroots movement with no registration or formal structure, there are no racial demographics available for the tea party movement; it's believed to include only a small number of blacks and Hispanics.
Some black conservatives credit President Barack Obama's election — and their distaste for his policies — with inspiring them and motivating dozens of black Republicans to plan political runs in November.
Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:14:18pm |
nice snag Charles....maybe there is a future for your research skills at the Library of Congress!...this little blurb is a great context observation...what goes round, comes round
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:14:35pm |
re: #22 Obdicut
Ugh. Disgusting. but I found some.
[Link: incogman.wordpress.com...]
That's a cache of a virulent antisemitic asshole. Apologies for linking to such crap, even via cache. But it does contain a poster alleging that Jews promote 'race-mixing' for whites even as they refrain from it themselves.
Fucking antisemites. They're so creepy!
Warning: That site is terrible.
That site needs a much stronger warning.
It's not just terrible, it is sick and vile and evil.
Ugh.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:15:25pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
A lizard posted a few similar pictures a few days ago including signs claiming that race mixing was a Jewish plot. Anyone have the links?
I like the historical context for some reason...maybe nothing is new
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:18:11pm |
re: #26 reine.de.tout
I'm sorry, Reine. I have no idea how people can live with that kind of evil and not just die from it.
But I would note that this terrible, antisemitic page is very clearly an anti-leftist page, with Ron Paul overtones. "End the Fed", and the various Soverign Citizen movements.
It's terrible to reflect upon, but look at the obsessive effort that racist put into making his webpage. That man is not just holding idle thoughts in his heart, he's spreading them.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:18:41pm |
Charles... what is the ID of that picture, when was it taken, where, what rally etc?
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What, me worry? Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:19:09pm |
re: #24 NJDhockeyfan
Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.
I don't think I was doing that. And the comment on that article, "Why should I vote Democrat just to be popular and to fit in?" No one has to vote Democrat. I have no problem with anyone voting however they please. But to join the Tea Party? If there were no charges of racism, than they wouldn't be called traitors.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:19:21pm |
"Stop the race mixing march of the Antichrist."
The only difference between this slogan and the religious right's current slogans is that they've learned not to use the term "race mixing."
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What, me worry? Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:19:35pm |
re: #26 reine.de.tout
That site needs a much stronger warning.
It's not just terrible, it is sick and vile and evil.
Ugh.
I'll pass before bedtime!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:20:17pm |
re: #29 Obdicut
It also had pics of both Obama and Bush in the clown makeup. Calling them Clown Zionist or whatever. (not going back to see the exact wording)
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:23:20pm |
re: #24 NJDhockeyfan
Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.
What, all ten of them nationwide?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:23:55pm |
re: #29 Obdicut
I'm sorry, Reine. I have no idea how people can live with that kind of evil and not just die from it.
But I would note that this terrible, antisemitic page is very clearly an anti-leftist page, with Ron Paul overtones. "End the Fed", and the various Soverign Citizen movements.
It's terrible to reflect upon, but look at the obsessive effort that racist put into making his webpage. That man is not just holding idle thoughts in his heart, he's spreading them.
He's written his thoughts, but I have faith, really I do, that most people are reasonable people and most who see that page will see that for the evil, sick, vile shit it is.
(but what do I know, YL92 fools me every damned time).
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:24:25pm |
re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. It's a real shithole of crazy antisemitism. It's anti-American in its bigotry. And it is very much firmly nativist and Paulian, as well.
It is also accusing Jews at being at the forefront of nearly every 'liberal' idea, like immigration reform and health care reform.
What an asshole.
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humpty dumpty was pushed Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:24:52pm |
So the protests are actually about race mixing? Wow.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:25:14pm |
re: #33 marjoriemoon
I'll pass before bedtime!
yes, do pass - don't go there. Really. There is nothing worth seeing; believe me, it is a sick sick sick page.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:25:35pm |
re: #31 marjoriemoon
I don't think I was doing that. And the comment on that article, "Why should I vote Democrat just to be popular and to fit in?" No one has to vote Democrat. I have no problem with anyone voting however they please. But to join the Tea Party? If there were no charges of racism, than they wouldn't be called traitors.
I would guess they wouldn't join if they witnessed racism at the tea parties they attend. They certainly are pretty sure about the racism spewed at them from the other side.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:25:51pm |
re: #32 Charles
"Stop the race mixing march of the Antichrist."
The only difference between this slogan and the religious right's current slogans is that they've learned not to use the term "race mixing."
Rotten. It drives me crazy that we still have the same kind of loons we used to have when my father was a kid. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:26:15pm |
re: #37 reine.de.tout
I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:26:51pm |
So, here's the question, asked in light of the recent Gallup and Rasmussen polls indicating the Tea Party concept is gaining steam:
Has anyone ever done a quantitative analysis of the number of, let's call them, incendiary, race-bating or riot-provoking signs at a Tea Party event as a percentage of the total number of signs?
Example: 232 unique signs observed;
X called for the violent overthrow of the president/Congress;
X made mention of the president's race:
X made mention of seceding from the union;
X made mention of Armageddon; while
X were of the basic, harmless, lower-taxes and smaller government variety?
I think the photo and the caption here are a bit of a stretch. And while I know that signs/T-shirts that any sensible conservative/libertarian would distance himself from get rolled out at 'Tea Party' type events, I just find it hard to believe that a case could be made that anywhere near a majority of the signs/T-shirts/organizations represented would fall into the first four X figures.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:27:21pm |
I went to the Los Angeles launch of the Tea Party Express. Took some shots. Nothing so racist as above or as we had in DC or above. For comparison I offer this link.
Wing nutty to be sure but apparently it got worse as time went by.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:27:23pm |
re: #43 Obdicut
I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.
Agreed.
They are very well protected.
But I really hope that protection never has to be tested.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:28:41pm |
I've posted dozens and dozens of photos of Tea Party signs that are every bit as disgusting as the signs you see above.
But hey. Let's just forget about all that. Right?
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:29:24pm |
re: #47 Charles
Whoa. Not what I was trying to say...
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:29:33pm |
re: #37 reine.de.tout
{{Reine}} It takes a certain kind of optimism to get through life, I think. That's all.
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:29:59pm |
Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:30:00pm |
re: #45 Rightwingconspirator
I went to the Los Angeles launch of the Tea Party Express. Took some shots. Nothing so racist as above or as we had in DC or above. For comparison I offer this link.
Wing nutty to be sure but apparently it got worse as time went by.
I went to the first one around here. No kooks except the one guy handing out fliers from Alex Jones' site. It made its way into the trash quickly. But, the kooks have taken over.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:30:38pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:09pm |
Has anyone seen the equivalent of the inflatable scrotum guy at any of the tea parties?
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:14pm |
re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yeah, it morphed bad, really bad. There is no comparison to DC and LA.
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Soap_Man Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:27pm |
OT: So, my parents are moving and I had to help clean out the basement of the home I grew up in. Anyway, one of the things I found was the VHS of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Original, as in before George Lucas f'ed it up with that "special edition" shit.
So I'm going to watch this now. Goodnight all.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:38pm |
Every sign that equates taxes to slavery should be put in that category.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:31:40pm |
re: #50 Radical Rafe
Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.
The biggest question is, how sane are the leaders, if the leaders are insane then it doesn't matter how many sane followers they have.....
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:32:03pm |
That picture in the thread heading is why "southern democratic" was an expletive among Blacks for many years.
It sure would be nice if the Republicans told the racists to piss off, the way the democrats didn't.
But neither party has tried to distance itself from this well known large block of voters.
Well the dems have.
Now.
Finally.
So the republicans are all too willing to let the flies in, or at least, not shoo them out.
A pox on both their houses. Vote-whores, both of them. RonPaul, too.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:32:22pm |
re: #50 Radical Rafe
Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.
And that's why nobody has made such a case.
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:32:28pm |
re: #47 Charles
No Charles --- what I'm asking is, were there also not dozens and dozens of signs that weren't batshit insane?
That's all I'm asking. Not refuting your photos or your numbers. Just wondering how big a piece of the tea party, uh, pie that contingent really is.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:10pm |
re: #19 marjoriemoon
Yea, all 2 of them.
I don't think anyone called the guy with the M4 slung over his shoulder any names. They were too busy muttering 'say WHAT?'
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:13pm |
re: #2 pharmmajor
It is a shame; the Tea Parties started out when Bush was in office to protest his policies and wasteful spending
[citation needed]
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:30pm |
re: #32 Charles
"Stop the race mixing march of the Antichrist."
The only difference between this slogan and the religious right's current slogans is that they've learned not to use the term "race mixing."
When the miscegination laws were overturned in 1967, the Right predicted the fall of the Republic.
Instead we got this:
and this:
Image: 0f645f8034aaf02e767981274384cc68_halle_barry-5316.jpg
I think that is a plus for the Republic.
Just sayin'.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:31pm |
re: #45 Rightwingconspirator
I went to the Los Angeles launch of the Tea Party Express. Took some shots. Nothing so racist as above or as we had in DC or above. For comparison I offer this link.
Wing nutty to be sure but apparently it got worse as time went by.
I think that there are different experiences in different places. Your photos are similar to what I've seen here at the ever-dwindling tea party events (hasn't been one here in quite awhile, and very few people at the last one).
But here's the thing - when I started looking into the local tea party organization, oh, a year or more ago, I discovered that all of the main players, the organizers, were members of the Constitution Party.
The Constitution Party is loony, just nuts. Take a really good look at that site and you'll see.
So for whatever reason it was that regular folks were going to the Tea Party events, the fact is that behind the scenes, it was those folks who were calling the shots. Made me very very uncomfortable.
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palomino Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:40pm |
Thanks for posting this, Charles. I'm sure you'll get a lot of hell from the people who think Limbaugh and RSMcCain don't have a racist bone in their bodies.
Particularly since the spitting/racial slurs episode, the baggers really have started to resemble previous angry mobs--lynch mobs, segregationist mobs, anti-immigrant mobs.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:33:57pm |
don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:34:19pm |
re: #63 austin_blue
My mix raced kids are incredibly beautiful.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:02pm |
re: #66 Boondock St. Bender
don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.
I believe the proper label is Dixiecrats.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:19pm |
FYI
I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).
This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.
And interesting story on the incident can be found at...
[Link: www.time.com...]
The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States
Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)
Conway, Arkansas, United States
Political party Democratic
Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg
Religion Southern Baptist
FYI
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stevemcg Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:24pm |
re: #66 Boondock St. Bender
don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.
Ever occur to you that these idiots aren't conservatives?
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:26pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:37pm |
re: #63 austin_blue
When the miscegination laws were overturned in 1967, the Right predicted the fall of the Republic.
Instead we got this:
and this:
Image: 0f645f8034aaf02e767981274384cc68_halle_barry-5316. jpg
I think that is a plus for the Republic.
Just sayin'.
And this as well... I think..
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:56pm |
re: #39 humpty dumpty was pushed
So the protests are actually about race mixing? Wow.
I don't know WHAT the protests are about. That's the part that makes me very, very wary of them.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:35:59pm |
re: #50 Radical Rafe
I'm sure even most of them aren't,probably decent people who got caugght up in the hype.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:41pm |
re: #67 prairiefire
My mix raced kids are incredibly beautiful.
And well they should be! Gene mixing is good for humanity.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:51pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:56pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:56pm |
re: #70 stevemcg
thats what the "" quotes were for.
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captdiggs Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:36:58pm |
re: #24 NJDhockeyfan
Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks,"
Which really defies history. Lincoln was a republican, and the fact is that the Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 far more than Democrats
[Link: www.congresslink.org...]
It was Republican senator Everett Dirksen who crafted much of the Civil Rights act...and Democrat senator Al Gore ( senior) who led the fight against it.
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palomino Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:11pm |
re: #43 Obdicut
I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.
For the first time in my life (and maybe for the first time since Pres. Lincoln) I get the feeling that a fair number of folks would be really happy if something happened to the president. Like you, I hope I'm just being paranoid.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:15pm |
re: #53 NJDhockeyfan
Has anyone seen the equivalent of the inflatable scrotum guy at any of the tea parties?
Looking for a little tu quoque nightcap?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:25pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
FYI
I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).
This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.
And interesting story on the incident can be found at...
[Link: www.time.com...]
The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States
Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)
Conway, Arkansas, United States
Political party Democratic
Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg
Religion Southern Baptist
FYI
I guess I was wrong.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:45pm |
re: #74 Boondock St. Bender
I'm sure even most of them aren't,probably decent people who got caugght up in the hype.
WTF?
Decent people who got caught up in the hype, then decided to demonstrate with signs about "race mixing?"
Apparently, we have different ideas about what constitutes "decent people."
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:37:56pm |
re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist
De-segregation, starting with the military. These protesters in the photo thought the nation would fall if the old order was not maintained.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:40pm |
re: #79 captdiggs
Which really defies history. Lincoln was a republican, and the fact is that the Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 far more than Democrats
[Link: www.congresslink.org...]
It was Republican senator Everett Dirksen who crafted much of the Civil Rights act...and Democrat senator Al Gore ( senior) who led the fight against it.
Yes, but it was a Democratic president who signed it into law, and after it did the Dixecrats in the Democratic party like Strom Thurmond threw a hissy fit and left the party, and the Republicans allowed them to come in.
Then Nixon came up with his Southern Strategy and presto changeo the party of Lincoln becomes the party of Jefferson Davis!
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b_sharp Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:46pm |
re: #43 Obdicut
I just worry about Obama, his wife, and their children. Especially with the goddamn Virginia governor inflaming things. I will be very happy if I'm just being paranoid.
I'm not American and I worry about Obama. I've never seen such hate toward your president.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:48pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:50pm |
re: #41 NJDhockeyfan
I would guess they wouldn't join if they witnessed racism at the tea parties they attend. They certainly are pretty sure about the racism spewed at them from the other side.
'Spewed at them from the other side'? Did I miss some description of anti-tea-party loonies screaming shit at these black tea partiers? Because what they were saying, to me, sounded like things friends and family might well say if you were getting involved with this kind of group.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:38:59pm |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:39:31pm |
Hey now, I have been posting this stuff for weeks and I don't even get a mention much less a hat tip?...humph!
My two favorite anti-Integration early "tea party" pictures so far...
Image: Integrationisillegal.jpg
The second one is especially appealing because of course as we all know it was the "communist Jews" who promoted race mixing laws...sheesh!
/
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:39:35pm |
Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."
Imagine my surprise.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:39:49pm |
re: #66 Boondock St. Bender
don't know if anybody has mentioned this already but,...
in the 1950 picture,most of those folks are probably democrats...
now the sign holders are"conservatives-republicans"strange how that sickness moves.
Yes. Former southern Dems who are now hardcore Repubs. Marketing works.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:18pm |
re: #91 Charles
Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."
Imagine my surprise.
Who claimed they were democrats?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:23pm |
re: #50 Radical Rafe
Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.
I'm sure not everyone at every given Tea Party is batshit insane, but they sure must have some blinders on not to notice the batshit insanity around them.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:27pm |
re: #64 reine.de.tout
Agreed. It was the most extreme Republican that spoke-Chuck DeVore.
I practice my camera skills at marches and protests. May 1st falls on a Saturday. I will certainly go to that march and see what we have there. Might make for interesting comparisons.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:40:35pm |
Evidently, everything is communism.
The things one learns.
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GatorAtLaw Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:25pm |
re: #50 Radical Rafe
Said another way, I don't know that a convincing case could be made, on the data, that everybody at every Tea Party event is batshit insane.
Until the majority denounces the minority (assuming such a distinction can be made), yes, everyone at those events is batshit insane.
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What, me worry? Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:25pm |
Race mixing is Communism
Race mixing march of the anti-Christ
So are we saying the Tea Party of today has adopted frighteningly similar language of the Dixiecrats? Why is this a good thing?
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captdiggs Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:35pm |
re: #85 jamesfirecat
and presto changeo the party of Lincoln becomes the party of Jefferson Davis!
Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:41:56pm |
Let me try again...for those of you who have been to a Tea Party event (assuming any of you have): Out of every 10 signs, how many of them would qualify as batshit insane ("disgusting" as Charles rightly says above), and how many of them were of the harmless, patriotic, lower-taxes and small government variety?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:42:17pm |
re: #91 Charles
Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."
Imagine my surprise.
They were Dems, but their heirs are are now in the GOP. i wish both parties would reject these scum, but sadly the Republicans are not doing that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:42:18pm |
re: #53 NJDhockeyfan
Has anyone seen the equivalent of the inflatable scrotum guy at any of the tea parties?
Personally, no, but since I always avert my eyes from those photos, I may not be reliable witness.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:42:24pm |
re: #91 Charles
Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."
Imagine my surprise.
GMTA!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:10pm |
re: #56 recusancy
Every sign that equates taxes to slavery should be put in that category.
I dunno. 'Extremely over-the-top, slavery-diminishing, self-pitying, ludicrously dramatic whining' is, to me, still different from 'just plain racism'.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:27pm |
re: #99 captdiggs
Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.
George W. Bush is not a racist. The GOP has a problem with race, but he himself does not.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:33pm |
re: #90 ausador
Hey now, I have been posting this stuff for weeks and I don't even get a mention much less a hat tip?...humph!
My two favorite anti-Integration early "tea party" pictures so far...
Image: Integrationisillegal.jpg
The second one is especially appealing because of course as we all know it was the "communist Jews" who promoted race mixing laws...sheesh!
/
Ah, thanks.Those are the ones I was looking for. With what I've learned over the past year it's easy to see how this all fits in with Glenn Beck, Birch Society and Ron Paul conspiracies about Jewish Bankers seekritly running the world. It's all coming back.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:43:57pm |
Yup there were racist democrats. They're used to be conservative democrats and progressive republicans. Things realigned after civil rights in the 60's. Those racists sure as hell weren't progressive. So where do you think they are now?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:17pm |
re: #83 Charles
no,no...not the jack-asses with the signs,the folks who show up and mill around at these things.(hopefully they see the signs,and distance themselves from the whole mess)
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:19pm |
re: #74 Boondock St. Bender
You could say that about Germans in the 1930's & 1960's. We are responsible for our advocacy. Then and the 50's and most importantly now.
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:32pm |
Walter,
How did you like tonight's episode?
*no spoiler mode on*
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:44:38pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
They were Dems, but their heirs are are now in the GOP. i wish both parties would reject these scum, but sadly the Republicans are not doing that.
Are you sure they aren't Robert Byrd's campaign entourage?
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:45:07pm |
By the way;
Race mixing is communism was strongly implied or said in a book written by J. Edgar Hoover.
I read the book,but I don't remember the name of it. I don't know what party he was in, but he was nuts.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:45:34pm |
re: #110 Bagua
Walter,
How did you like tonight's episode?
*no spoiler mode on*
Getting better and better. Did you see it yet?
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:45:51pm |
re: #91 Charles
Well, it didn't take long for people to show up claiming that these are "Democrats."
Imagine my surprise.
Dixiecrats perhaps, maybe, there is some slight chance of that. Democrats?...Uhh...no, I don't think so.
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pingjockey Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:16pm |
re: #112 swamprat
He's also the reason the director of the FBI only can serve 10 years as director.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:23pm |
re: #108 Boondock St. Bender
no,no...not the jack-asses with the signs,the folks who show up and mill around at these things.(hopefully they see the signs,and distance themselves from the whole mess)
Not a single person at the tea parties has EVER denounced the racist and/or ugly paranoid signs that are in abundance at these events. And not a single GOP politician has denounced them, either.
Instead, they deny the signs exist. Or make excuses for them. Or claim that they were "planted" by leftists.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:29pm |
re: #2 pharmmajor
It is a shame; the Tea Parties started out when Bush was in office to protest his policies and wasteful spending, but now they've been co-opted by the rabid right-wing and turned into a hate fest. Now you even mention that you're a libertarian or conservative who wants less government and you're sure to be lumped in with the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck-esque nutjobs who took over the movement.
So yeah, guess all I really want to say is f*ck the wingnuts who stole our movement to make it a platform for their craziness.
That a bit of revisionist history.
The first tea party of this movement was April 15, 2009. On tax day, after Obama's inauguration. Fox (especially Beck) was heavily involved in promoting and publicizing it for more than a month before it even happened.
They blamed Obama for the AIG and bank bailouts (which happened before the election), the TARP (part before the election, the rest between the election and inauguration), and the stimulus (okay, that one *was* after he took office -- but half of it was middle-class tax cuts, and half the rest was bailing out states so they wouldn't have to lay off cops and teachers). They also claimed as "a huge increase in deficits" that he moved Iraq war funding from off-budget specials to on-budget.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:43pm |
re: #99 captdiggs
Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?
Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
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ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:46:54pm |
Wow, that's a pretty dishonest comparison.
Let's see, the photo appears to be of pro-segregation march. In other words, a protest designed to advocated for that specific goal.
The stated purpose of the tea parties is opposition to high levels of government spending.
Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?
I guess according to your logic, if a pro-Israel group holds a rally and enough people holding "Killing The Muslim" signs show up, the pro-Israel group is presumed to be holding not a pro-Israel march but a pro Muslim murder march.
Interesting way to look at things.
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GatorAtLaw Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:47:05pm |
re: #100 Radical Rafe
Let me try again...for those of you who have been to a Tea Party event (assuming any of you have): Out of every 10 signs, how many of them would qualify as batshit insane ("disgusting" as Charles rightly says above), and how many of them were of the harmless, patriotic, lower-taxes and small government variety?
Let me try again. That doesn't matter. Palin or Bachmann or the other nutjob leaders tell the herd "hey, cut this racial and birther and other dumb shit out," they're all equally culpable.
Everyone knows its there, but no one has said 'stop.'
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:47:44pm |
re: #107 recusancy
A significant number are probably dead or in retirement homes. The 60s were 40+ years ago. So if you were an older angry white guy (most of the no race mixing group), you're probably in your 80s now. Some may have gone into the tea parties. But a lot of the tea partiers I'm seeing are in their 50s. Guessing not the same people. They are probably animated by some of the same emotions though...fear, distrust, resentment.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:47:49pm |
re: #116 Charles
Not a single person at the tea parties has EVER denounced the racist and/or ugly paranoid signs that are in abundance at these events. And not a single GOP politician has denounced them, either.
Instead, they deny the signs exist. Or make excuses for them. Or claim that they were "planted" by leftists.
Or point to the .05% of the tea partiers who aren't white and say, "look we have black people!".
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:34pm |
re: #115 pingjockey
Term limits of all kinds have my vote.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:39pm |
re: #120 GatorAtLaw
Let me try again. That doesn't matter. Palin or Bachmann or the other nutjob leaders tell the herd "hey, cut this racial and birther and other dumb shit out," they're all equally culpable.
Everyone knows its there, but no one has said 'stop.'
Exactly. If someone prominent in the GOP wishes to tell the race baiters they are not welcome, then the party will recover some credibility. But not before.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:48:54pm |
re: #118 austin_blue
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?
Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Whoa....you act like the party with the most elected minorities is the least racist.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:49:39pm |
re: #118 austin_blue
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?
Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:49:49pm |
Here is another picture from the rally... with two signs...
"Race Mixing Is Communism"
and
"Governor Faubus SAve Our Christian America"
[Link: www.picturehistory.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:49:54pm |
re: #44 Radical Rafe
So, here's the question, asked in light of the recent Gallup and Rasmussen polls indicating the Tea Party concept is gaining steam:
Has anyone ever done a quantitative analysis of the number of, let's call them, incendiary, race-bating or riot-provoking signs at a Tea Party event as a percentage of the total number of signs?
Example: 232 unique signs observed;
X called for the violent overthrow of the president/Congress;
X made mention of the president's race:
X made mention of seceding from the union;
X made mention of Armageddon; while
X were of the basic, harmless, lower-taxes and smaller government variety?I think the photo and the caption here are a bit of a stretch. And while I know that signs/T-shirts that any sensible conservative/libertarian would distance himself from get rolled out at 'Tea Party' type events, I just find it hard to believe that a case could be made that anywhere near a majority of the signs/T-shirts/organizations represented would fall into the first four X figures.
They're ORGANIZING the Tea Parties, genius.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:02pm |
re: #84 prairiefire
De-segregation, starting with the military. These protesters in the photo thought the nation would fall if the old order was not maintained.
well, sure. Let the old order not be maintained, next thing you know white women from Kansas are going to be breeding with Africans and who knows where that could lead. There'd be little zebra children, going to the same schools as rele murikans, running for office, they'd be everywhere. Maybe even in the White House.
//must i?
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palomino Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:09pm |
The younger people in this picture ARE today's tea partiers.
Where do you think they learned their teabag moves?
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Lidane Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:13pm |
re: #80 palomino
For the first time in my life (and maybe for the first time since Pres. Lincoln) I get the feeling that a fair number of folks would be really happy if something happened to the president. Like you, I hope I'm just being paranoid.
I feel the same way, and I don't like it.
I hate having that tiny little voice in the back of my head that is genuinely scared for the man and his family. I mean, I always had a sense that the first minority President was going to face some ugly reactions from some folks, but what I've seen lately has gone above and beyond all that to a very worrying degree.
When I look at the tea party stuff, I know instinctively that not every person there is a racist asshole. I'd say that most are just angry and scared, especially after losing their jobs or their homes, or both. However, they're being manipulated and exploited by people who ARE racist assholes, or who have a vested interest in playing on their anxieties and fears, and in raising racial tensions,whether it's to boost ratings for their talk shows, sell books, or raise money for their pet causes.
Once the mainstream right starts doing that, it gives the racist extremists cover. They can hide in plain sight, bringing their offensive signs, shouting slurs at members of Congress and all that. When someone points out those offensive signs or actions, the same folks who have a vested interest in stoking these tensions for ratings or cash start whining about broad brushes and stereotypes and enemy plants, so nothing changes and the tensions continue. It's a never-ending clusterfuck that should never have started in the first place.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:41pm |
re: #116 Charles
Not a single person at the tea parties has EVER denounced the racist and/or ugly paranoid signs that are in abundance at these events. And not a single GOP politician has denounced them, either.
Instead, they deny the signs exist. Or make excuses for them. Or claim that they were "planted" by leftists.
Well said. It's the crazy uncle in the attic. What is *real* is intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer. The whacks are allowed to participate. Shameful.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:50:48pm |
The party affiliation of any of these folks, then or now, is not really pertinent to anything, is it?
Fact is - any reasonable, rational person, whether liberal or conservative, cannot see these things happening and be proud of or happy about it, now can they? Whether it's one sign or ten - doesn't matter. It should not be acceptable behavior in any event or demonstration.
Fact is - these current tea-party types seem to have a very strong hold right now on the Republican Party (Not the Democratic Party). And as these events continue, more and more of the racists and just plain foolish people show up and are accepted by the rest, allowed to mix and mingle in with the crowds. And what I see at blogs I used to read with a bit of interest, Michelle Malkin, Hot Air, is just vile, and also accepting of the racist rhetoric shown on these signs.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:07pm |
re: #99 captdiggs
Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.
Well you can tell that blacks appreciated that based on what a huge majority of them voted for Bush when he was running in 2000, and 2004
Right....
Right?
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:21pm |
re: #119 ferris
Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?
You need to stand up for what you believe in. Denounce the bad elements and move on. Not deflect and defend.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:51:57pm |
re: #121 Escaped Hillbilly
A significant number are probably dead or in retirement homes. The 60s were 40+ years ago. So if you were an older angry white guy (most of the no race mixing group), you're probably in your 80s now. Some may have gone into the tea parties. But a lot of the tea partiers I'm seeing are in their 50s. Guessing not the same people. They are probably animated by some of the same emotions though...fear, distrust, resentment.
Yeah. I didn't mean the literal people in the photo. I just mean the ideology. Not all conservatives are racists, but if you're racist you're most likely a conservative.
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:00pm |
re: #120 GatorAtLaw
Hey look man, it matters to me, so it does matter. K?
All I've asked is a simple question --- has anyone made a numerical comparison of the batshit insane signs vs, the number of harmless lower taxes/smaller government signs. And it looks like the simple answer is "no".
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:09pm |
re: #126 NJDhockeyfan
Whoa...you act like the party with the most elected minorities is the least racist.
Is that a joke?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:14pm |
re: #111 NJDhockeyfan
Are you sure they aren't Robert Byrd's campaign entourage?
hahaha EVERY THREAD
EVERY SINGLE THREAD
The Byrd thing being thrown up by you brain surgeons, it's as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode and as weak as watered down mayonnaise.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:28pm |
re: #140 Radical Rafe
Hey look man, it matters to me, so it does matter. K?
All I've asked is a simple question --- has anyone made a numerical comparison of the batshit insane signs vs, the number of harmless lower taxes/smaller government signs. And it looks like the simple answer is "no".
So go ahead and do it yourself.
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palomino Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:59pm |
re: #17 NJDhockeyfan
There are black Tea Party members, and they've been called some pretty racist names as well.
Don't pretend that teabaggery is some sort of multi-ethnic, cross-section-of-America movement. It's not, which is why it's doomed in the long run.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:52:59pm |
re: #131 palomino
The younger people in this picture ARE today's tea partiers.
Where do you think they learned their teabag moves?
sounds good...but that's bullshit, nobody knows
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:08pm |
re: #113 Walter L. Newton
Getting better and better. Did you see it yet?
I did, but was a bit distracted I guess, found it hard to get engaged. But the plot items are coming together nicely.
I think I miss how I used to watch it, on DVD. As I don't watch TV I get confused by all the adds and now they have little logos, and alerts and such popping up during the show. I think I'll download it and watch it again that way.
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:12pm |
re: #129 WindUpBird
I have made a decision to attend the next tea party event that I can. Don't know when/where that will be. But I wish to see with my own eyes and make my own judgments. I may well attempt some type of sign count or other study for my own interest. I also wonder if/how often the rank and file attempt to correct those around them that are stepping over the decency line with Obama=Hitler signs and such. I'd like to observe and try to document.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:24pm |
re: #119 ferris
No fucking pro-Israel group would allow anyone holding signs advocating killing Muslims. They would be cast out righteously.
That is the goddamn difference.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:53:34pm |
Apparently, having a historical mirror held up to the tea party movement is really difficult for some people to take.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:54:22pm |
re: #6 darthstar
The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.
Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Of George W. Bush's presidency, he said, "If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we’ve experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign."He further said, "Bush is 'conservative', but he is not a 'Conservative', and that the president was not elected 'as a vessel of the conservative faith.'"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Soap_Man Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:54:33pm |
re: #55 Soap_Man
OT: So, my parents are moving and I had to help clean out the basement of the home I grew up in. Anyway, one of the things I found was the VHS of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Original, as in before George Lucas f'ed it up with that "special edition" shit.
So I'm going to watch this now. Goodnight all.
Damn Uncle Owen. I was gonna go to Tashi station to pick up some mothafuckin' power converters, Shiiiiit, buzzkill...
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palomino Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:54:34pm |
re: #24 NJDhockeyfan
Racism exists on both sides and is equally disgusting. Don't try to label just one side as racist ignoring the other side.
OK, what's currently happening on the Left that has the overt ever-present ugliness of the Tea Party Protesters?
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:07pm |
re: #150 Charles
Apparently, having a historical mirror held up to the tea party movement is really difficult for some people to take.
I think it's a real eye poppin post...there is an anthology here that needs to be exposed
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:12pm |
re: #80 palomino
For the first time in my life (and maybe for the first time since Pres. Lincoln) I get the feeling that a fair number of folks would be really happy if something happened to the president. Like you, I hope I'm just being paranoid.
Did you forget all the threats made to George Bush the previous 8 years? The fantasies about his assassination went past radio talk show hosts to authors who wrote books about it to movies celebrating his assassination and death.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:21pm |
re: #118 austin_blue
Aha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
And the rest of the Repubs have how many members of the Senate and the House who are Black?
Outside of appointed positions, they have what? Steele?
Not national office, but if you'll settle for state officials there's Ken Blackwell and Alan Keyes. There used to be a congressman (J.C. Watts), but he said they gave him crappy committee assignments and the triple C contributed nothing to his campaigns.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:26pm |
re: #99 captdiggs
Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.
Bush: not racist
GOP southern strategy: racist
tea-party base primarying mainstream republicans: racist.
Do you understand yet?
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GatorAtLaw Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:55:28pm |
re: #131 palomino
The younger people in this picture ARE today's tea partiers.
Where do you think they learned their teabag moves?
This is a joke, right?
Democrats have a stranglehold on the youth vote. The tea partiers are overwhelmingly old, white, and Christian.
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captdiggs Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:00pm |
re: #118 austin_blue
"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]
Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:07pm |
re: #140 Radical Rafe
Hey look man, it matters to me, so it does matter. K?
All I've asked is a simple question --- has anyone made a numerical comparison of the batshit insane signs vs, the number of harmless lower taxes/smaller government signs. And it looks like the simple answer is "no".
I'm more concerned about who's organizing these events, apologist.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:23pm |
re: #146 Bagua
I did, but was a bit distracted I guess, found it hard to get engaged. But the plot items are coming together nicely.
I think I miss how I used to watch it, on DVD. As I don't watch TV I get confused by all the adds and now they have little logos, and alerts and such popping up during the show. I think I'll download it and watch it again that way.
Well, that's not good to get distracted... especially during an episode that was so loaded with internal references and clever tie backs to the last 5 years worth of story line.
Tonight episode was extremely clever in the cyclic nature of the events, how the realities are starting to "bleed" into each other, as I said, very clever.
Watch it again on ABC's website, where the commercials are short and you can start and stop it. They go up on ABC's website at 8:00am Eastern the next day.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:36pm |
re: #142 WindUpBird
hahaha EVERY THREAD
EVERY SINGLE THREAD
The Byrd thing being thrown up by you brain surgeons, it's as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode and as weak as watered down mayonnaise.
Would you rather I bring up Tom Metzger?
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Lidane Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:48pm |
re: #158 GatorAtLaw
This is a joke, right?
Democrats have a stranglehold on the youth vote. The tea partiers are overwhelmingly old, white, and Christian.
Which means they would have been the young, white, Christian kids in the photo at the top of this post. That's the point.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:52pm |
re: #159 captdiggs
"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.
Google southern strategy
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:56:53pm |
Interesting commentary on the tea Party concept of oppressive taxes versus the reality.
"And in fact, as the data above from the Tax Policy Center show, income taxes as a share of GDP have held steady during the same time period. Corporate and excise taxes, paid mostly by businesses and which conservatives complain are inefficient and simply passed through to consumers anyway, have gone down as a share of that 20 percent. What's gone up are payroll taxes which fund programs like Medicare and Social Security that the same tea partiers were warning Obama and congressional Democrats not to touch in the same breath they were complaining about the socialist expansion of the healthcare system."
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:02pm |
re: #153 palomino
OK, what's currently happening on the Left that has the overt ever-present ugliness of the Tea Party Protesters?
currently?...whatever, consider the entire timeline of racism in this country
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:08pm |
re: #162 NJDhockeyfan
Would you rather I bring up Tom Metzger?
I'd rather you stop apologizing for racist crazies!
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:10pm |
Facts are to tea partiers as phased polaron beams are to deflector shields.
;)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:23pm |
re: #150 Charles
Apparently, having a historical mirror held up to the tea party movement is really difficult for some people to take.
I find it interesting how things have evolved.
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:57:55pm |
re: #151 BruceKelly
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Is not the same man that ostracized the john birch society and other fringe groups from the movement? Seems almost like apples and oranges.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:21pm |
re: #158 GatorAtLaw
This is a joke, right?
Democrats have a stranglehold on the youth vote. The tea partiers are overwhelmingly old, white, and Christian.
Talking about the picture on the top of this thread, from the 50's.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:39pm |
re: #151 BruceKelly
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:58:44pm |
re: #156 sagehen
Not national office, but if you'll settle for state officials there's Ken Blackwell and Alan Keyes. There used to be a congressman (J.C. Watts), but he said they gave him crappy committee assignments and the triple C contributed nothing to his campaigns.
Ooh. Out of 300,000 million people. Impressive!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:00pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:12pm |
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Ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:25pm |
re: #149 Obdicut
You've missed the point.
The implication of this post (the picture and headline) is that tea party organizers and attendees are the same as people who held pro-segregation rallies not that they fail to call out the fringe elements.
If the point of the post was to suggest that tea party leaders need to call out the fringe, comparing them to proud segregationists doesn't seem to be the way to do it.
It seems quite clear to me that Charles is equating tea party organizers and supporters with segregationists not chastising them for not calling anyone out.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 8:59:26pm |
re: #155 NJDhockeyfan
Did you forget all the threats made to George Bush the previous 8 years? The fantasies about his assassination went past radio talk show hosts to authors who wrote books about it to movies celebrating his assassination and death.
You are like a human talking point, I love it. The meme about the movie coming back up again and again and again. A movie which isn't American, BTW, but don't let that fact stop your talking point!
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:00:13pm |
re: #154 albusteve
Really people on this sight have been comparing the Tea Party people with the racists of the 50s since the Tea Party movement made the national scene. Its probably just more startling when someone presents a stark comparison and a photo right at the top.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:00:43pm |
re: #130 sagehen
well, sure. Let the old order not be maintained, next thing you know white women from Kansas are going to be breeding with Africans and who knows where that could lead. There'd be little zebra children, going to the same schools as rele murikans, running for office, they'd be everywhere. Maybe even in the White House.
//must i?
OMFG!!11eleventy!!
They were right, right about everything!
/i'm off to take a shower now, yuck.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:00:51pm |
re: #173 Charles
As would Goldwater I think.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:01:07pm |
re: #169 Walter L. Newton
I find it interesting how things have evolved.
it's not taught in the schools my kids went to...the whole history of the Civil Rights Movement is pathetically glossed over...as for myself, it is a monumental story...epic dude
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:01:37pm |
re: #143 Charles
You know, I've been thinking about that. I'm here in Nashville (well, outside of Nashville actually) and the Tea Party stuff is pretty active here. I've stayed away because 1) I don't want the stench of the batshit insanity on me, and 2) I got pretty deeply into a divisive local political issue a couple of years ago; my kids took some harassing at school for things that I said in the local paper and I don't want them getting ridiculed because someone got a picture of me standing within 10 feet of kookburger.
But some friends of mine, who I know not to be batshit crazy, go to these things and report back that it's just a spirited lower tax/smaller gov kind of vibe, with a few kookburgers thrown in here and there. Guess I need to see for myself.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:01pm |
re: #155 NJDhockeyfan
Did you forget all the threats made to George Bush the previous 8 years? The fantasies about his assassination went past radio talk show hosts to authors who wrote books about it to movies celebrating his assassination and death.
If we tell you enough times, will it sink in that that was a British movie?
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palomino Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:07pm |
re: #99 captdiggs
Must be why the first black secretary of state and first black woman as secretary of state were under Bush.
But do you think Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or even Bush want ANYTHING to do with the teabaggers?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:09pm |
re: #173 Charles
William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.
As David Frum has, apparently.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:21pm |
re: #142 WindUpBird
hahaha EVERY THREAD
EVERY SINGLE THREAD
The Byrd thing being thrown up by you brain surgeons, it's as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode and as weak as watered down mayonnaise.
This is the same lizard who, when discussing Byrd, asked if anyone could name an elected GOP Klan member...accidentally forgetting this guy:
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Radical Rafe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:33pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
Who are you calling an apologist? Me? Why?
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Lidane Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:36pm |
re: #175 Walter L. Newton
Here is the history behind the photo... re: #69 Walter L. Newton
That's interesting and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that there's a solid chance that many of the same younger folks in the photo at the top of this post are now the older folks who are leading and/or organizing Tea Party demonstrations.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:40pm |
re: #170 Uninformed Opinion
Is not the same man that ostracized the john birch society and other fringe groups from the movement? Seems almost like apples and oranges.
Just answering the question.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:47pm |
re: #185 palomino
But do you think Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or even Bush want ANYTHING to do with the teabaggers?
I haven't seen any of those folks say anything at all in support of these tea-parties. Not one.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:02:57pm |
re: #183 Radical Rafe
You know, I've been thinking about that. I'm here in Nashville (well, outside of Nashville actually) and the Tea Party stuff is pretty active here. I've stayed away because 1) I don't want the stench of the batshit insanity on me, and 2) I got pretty deeply into a divisive local political issue a couple of years ago; my kids took some harassing at school for things that I said in the local paper and I don't want them getting ridiculed because someone got a picture of me standing within 10 feet of kookburger.
But some friends of mine, who I know not to be batshit crazy, go to these things and report back that it's just a spirited lower tax/smaller gov kind of vibe, with a few kookburgers thrown in here and there. Guess I need to see for myself.
It would be better if you didn't. The whole tea party is full of bat shit crazy people from what I can see.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:03:08pm |
re: #177 Ferris
Racism is absolutely everywhere in the tea party movement.
Birthers. Ron Paul. The John Birch Society.
These are the organizers.
So yes, I am indeed comparing the tea parties of today with what you see above.
They come from the same atavistic darkness.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:03:54pm |
re: #167 WindUpBird
I'd rather you stop apologizing for racist crazies!
To be fair, I have never seen him do that...just play the tu quoque card.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:05pm |
re: #176 NJDhockeyfan
When did I do that?
Every time it's brought up that Tea Partiers are doing crazy stuff, organizing under racists, becoming increasingly radicalized, out you come with the predictable limp-dick tu quoque about a Democrat. Every single time. Like a jack in the box. You're throwing up chaff, you're desparately trying to distract, you're advocating for these people. "Look over there! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:56pm |
re: #189 Lidane
That's interesting and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that there's a solid chance that many of the same younger folks in the photo at the top of this post are now the older folks who are leading and/or organizing Tea Party demonstrations.
When did I ever say anything about anyone in the picture, about who is older now, about what ever you are talking about? I was giving you some back ground about the picture and the incident at which it was taken at.
What are you talking about?
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:57pm |
re: #189 Lidane
That's interesting and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that there's a solid chance that many of the same younger folks in the photo at the top of this post are now the older folks who are leading and/or organizing Tea Party demonstrations.
maybe, maybe not...what's the point? that parents teach their children to be racist? everywhere, every time?
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:04:58pm |
Watch this and tell me that racism is not systemic and a strategic pillar in the Republican Party.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:10pm |
well you may agree with em or you may call em crazy, but a whole lot of folks as pretty darn angry at the way that things are & I don't see any way that no slick blog talkers are gonna be changin that.
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:17pm |
Sorry, its just replaying a conversation I had today. Almost perfectly.
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Lidane Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:26pm |
re: #181 Rightwingconspirator
As would Goldwater I think.
Goldwater would have been throwing verbal bricks at these people. I think he would have called himself a RINO if being a Republican meant aligning with the far right lunatics like the Birchers.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:29pm |
re: #173 Charles
William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.
True, a shame, but true.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:05:38pm |
re: #159 captdiggs
"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.
Yeah, because a few years before he said that, an Illinois state legislator absolutely would have been getting coffee for the President and a six-term Senator.
(that's if he even said it -- "someone says that Kennedy told him that Clinton had said..." at a time when Kennedy had a brain tumor and who knows if he accurately heard and repeated the conversation)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:05pm |
re: #119 ferris
Wow, that's a pretty dishonest comparison.
Let's see, the photo appears to be of pro-segregation march. In other words, a protest designed to advocated for that specific goal.
The stated purpose of the tea parties is opposition to high levels of government spending.
Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?
I guess according to your logic, if a pro-Israel group holds a rally and enough people holding "Killing The Muslim" signs show up, the pro-Israel group is presumed to be holding not a pro-Israel march but a pro Muslim murder march.
Interesting way to look at things.
I think you've made a wrong turn, freerepublic is thataway. Just head towards the filled diaper smell.
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:21pm |
re: #161 Walter L. Newton
Sounds like good advice, I'll give it another watch when my focus is better.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:28pm |
Tea party organizers circulated a photo of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose.
These are the organizers.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:29pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:44pm |
re: #195 WindUpBird
Every time it's brought up that Tea Partiers are doing crazy stuff, organizing under racists, becoming increasingly radicalized, out you come with the predictable limp-dick tu quoque about a Democrat. Every single time. Like a jack in the box. You're throwing up chaff, you're desparately trying to distract, you're advocating for these people. "Look over there! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:52pm |
re: #159 captdiggs
"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.
Another apologist.
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:06:55pm |
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:07:08pm |
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:07:21pm |
re: #179 Escaped Hillbilly
Really people on this sight have been comparing the Tea Party people with the racists of the 50s since the Tea Party movement made the national scene. Its probably just more startling when someone presents a stark comparison and a photo right at the top.
To be honest, I feel sorry for some of the Tea Party members. Some, perhaps most are not racists, although many of the organizers are. Many seem to be following a sense of misplaced patriotism, truly believing voices like Beck that have convinced them the country is in danger and they must "save" it.
They feel isolated, convinced that the world they know is heading to hell in a hand cart and they must stop it. I don't agree with that, but watching a few hours of some idiots on the far right, I understand their confusion.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:07:34pm |
Hold on. Lets stop the partisan bullshit one second. Just look at the shot and ponder how far we have come as a culture, warts and all. We have a black President, a woman SecState, and a real fight on over gay rights in the military and marriage. Call out the fringe, show the racists up, and then take some joy from how far we have come. Use that energy to sideline the fringe and we have real progress.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:08:31pm |
re: #213 Rightwingconspirator
Hold on. Lets stop the partisan bullshit one second. Just look at the shot and ponder how far we have come as a culture, warts and all. We have a black President, a woman SecState, and a real fight on over gay rights in the military and marriage. Call out the fringe, show the racists up, and then take some joy from how far we have come. Use that energy to sideline the fringe and we have real progress.
Maybe you should be telling the GOP to "sideline the fringe." Because they're doing the exact opposite, and encouraging this insanity.
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Ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:08:43pm |
re: #193 Charles
Well, I appreciate your honesty in saying that.
I didn't doubt that's what you were getting at but it seems a couple of people thought it was about trying to get organizers to distance themselves from (what I, as a non tea party goer consider to be) the fringe elements.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:17pm |
re: #173 Charles
William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.
Yes he would. Damn shame. It's why his son Chris has bolted.
I'd like to see the R's as the Loyal Opposition, but all they are is the Freak Show. They've got nothing in the way of alternatives. It's just no, no, no.
Pitiful. Where are their ideas to address the problems that beset this country?
Maybe their spend and not tax policies are to blame? Maybe their regulatory oversight policies didn't work well with banks and derivatives? Maybe, based on their legislative policies over most of the last sixteen years when they generally had control of Congress, they screwed the pooch? In any case, this country's long term economy is in deep trouble. If we don't build a new industrial base on manufacturing green energy machines, we will be pooched.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:18pm |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.
The problem is that the racists are far more numerous and influential within the Republican Party. I do not like this, but it is a fact.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:41pm |
re: #215 Ferris
Well, I appreciate your honesty in saying that.
I didn't doubt that's what you were getting at but it seems a couple of people thought it was about trying to get organizers to distance themselves from (what I, as a non tea party goer consider to be) the fringe elements.
The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe. They are the fringe.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:09:59pm |
re: #132 Lidane
Most of them I have seen in person are old retirees with white hair who carry signs that say something along the lines of "Keep your socialized government fingers away from my medicare benefits." (without seeing any irony in that statement at all unfortunately)
They are old fixed income retirees who are always concerned about anything that might raise prices for them in the least, I don't blame them for that. I just blame the people who have been blatantly telling them lies or purposefully distorting the truth everyday about what this insurance reform bill would mean or do to/for them.
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GatorAtLaw Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:06pm |
re: #163 Lidane
Which means they would have been the young, white, Christian kids in the photo at the top of this post. That's the point.
Whoops. I misunderstood.
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:12pm |
re: #212 avanti
To be honest, I feel sorry for some of the Tea Party members. Some, perhaps most are not racists, although many of the organizers are. Many seem to be following a sense of misplaced patriotism, truly believing voices like Beck that have convinced them the country is in danger and they must "save" it.
They feel isolated, convinced that the world they know is heading to hell in a hand cart and they must stop it. I don't agree with that, but watching a few hours of some idiots on the far right, I understand their confusion.
Agreed.
I know some decent folks who seem to be hypnotized by the TP movement. I just want to shake some sense into them. There are other more appropriate ways to protest Obama's policies.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:21pm |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.
You're a ridiculous apologist. A tulpa made of nothing but tu quoque. A weak mind. Enjoy your devotion to carrying water for bigots, I hope someday you figure out you don't have to anymore. I hope one day the blind tribalism scales fall from your eyes and you actually see this vileness for what it is, and clean your party up before it becomes a gangrenous shell of its former self.
I won't be holding my breath.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:22pm |
The GOP has embraced the fringe with nary a peep from its most powerful leaders...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:24pm |
re: #218 Charles
The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe. They are the fringe.
Then they are not the fringe, they are the core of the movement.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:46pm |
re: #214 Charles
Sorry that is who I meant. I have been seen posting "Cut The Fringe™" a few times here.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:10:52pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
You're a ridiculous apologist. A tulpa made of nothing but tu quoque. A weak mind. Enjoy your devotion to carrying water for bigots, I hope someday you figure out you don't have to anymore. I hope one day the blind tribalism scales fall from your eyes and you actually see this vileness for what it is, and clean your party up before it becomes a gangrenous shell of its former self.
I won't be holding my breath.
Please... please... hold your breath.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:11:36pm |
re: #206 Charles
Tea party organizers circulated a photo of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose.
These are the organizers.
Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:10pm |
re: #228 brookly red
Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?
I don't see where you are going.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:23pm |
re: #228 brookly red
Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?
I don't.
???
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:26pm |
re: #211 albusteve
the Stones peaking on the Bridges to Babylon tour...I consider this about as good as these guys can get...Richards is awesome in this red hot version of Gimme Shelter...smokin, but you decide
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:31pm |
re: #228 brookly red
Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?
No, I don't. Why don't you spell it out for me?
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:12:44pm |
re: #184 sagehen
If we tell you enough times, will it sink in that that was a British movie?
I thought it was Canadian.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:00pm |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that the racists are far more numerous and influential within the Republican Party. I do not like this, but it is a fact.
Like I said, there is racism in both parties. Saying 'Your side has more racists than my side.' isn't going to fix the problem. Call them out, expose them, and let everyone see who they are. Racism was a big problem in the Democrat primaries if you remember correctly.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:12pm |
re: #228 brookly red
Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?
No. Where are you going?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:17pm |
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Jadespring Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:17pm |
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Ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:31pm |
Hey look...Obama didn't denounce a group called "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama"
Not only did he not denounce them, he hosted their page on his campaign website.
According to the logic of this post Obama is...a Marxist. And a socialist. And a communist.
Granted there are some internal contradictions to being all of those things at once but there you have it!
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:13:35pm |
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Lidane Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:05pm |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that the racists are far more numerous and influential within the Republican Party. I do not like this, but it is a fact.
This is the key point.
I don't think anyone has ever denied there are racial tensions on the left. All you have to do is look at the 2008 primary race between Obama and Clinton for that.
The problem isn't the existence of racial tensions. Those will always exist regardless of party affiliation or ideology. The problem is the active exploitation and manipulation of those racial tensions by some very influential people on the right, whether it's to boost ratings, raise cash, or otherwise pander to the fringes in order to secure their jobs.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:12pm |
re: #234 NJDhockeyfan
Like I said, there is racism in both parties. Saying 'Your side has more racists than my side.' isn't going to fix the problem. Call them out, expose them, and let everyone see who they are. Racism was a big problem in the Democrat primaries if you remember correctly.
And that is what Charles is doing.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:13pm |
re: #173 Charles
William F. Buckley would be rejected by the current right wing as a RINO.
Yes, we Republicans have moved on and found a new intellectual giant to espouse our cause to the millions of uninformed out there.
Behold, Rush Limbaugh! Our ticket to 21st century dominance of...uhh...stupidity?
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:31pm |
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:14:53pm |
re: #201 Lidane
Goldwater would have been throwing verbal bricks at these people. I think he would have called himself a RINO if being a Republican meant aligning with the far right lunatics like the Birchers.
Goldwater was *extremely* critical of the religious right. He was also pro-choice, and in favor of gays openly serving in the military ("you don't have to be straight to shoot straight").
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:01pm |
re: #240 Lidane
This is the key point.
I don't think anyone has ever denied there are racial tensions on the left. All you have to do is look at the 2008 primary race between Obama and Clinton for that.
The problem isn't the existence of racial tensions. Those will always exist regardless of party affiliation or ideology. The problem is the active exploitation and manipulation of those racial tensions by some very influential people on the right, whether it's to boost ratings, raise cash, or otherwise pander to the fringes in order to secure their jobs.
Quoted for truth.
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:13pm |
re: #221 Racer X
Agreed.
I know some decent folks who seem to be hypnotized by the TP movement. I just want to shake some sense into them. There are other more appropriate ways to protest Obama's policies.
I can't tell you the number of times I've tried to engage some conservatives and all I hear are reruns of the Glenn Beck show. Those on the right and the left for that matter, need to step out of the echo chamber and do some homework on the issues.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:26pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:44pm |
re: #218 Charles
The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe. They are the fringe.
It wouldn't be the first time the rank and file had to toss out the organizers to clean up an organization. I'd like to see it happen. Unfortunately, I fear I am doomed to be disappointed again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:15:48pm |
re: #68 NJDhockeyfan
I believe the proper label is Dixiecrats.
The Dixiecrats were pretty much dead after the '48 election, it was kind of a one-shot deal.
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ShaunP Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:24pm |
re: #228 brookly red
Whit all due respect Sir you just posted a picture of 1950 racists and, well do you see where I am going?
All I know is that the OP shows bigots using "techniques" (i.e. communism, antichrist, bible bs) to stir the pot. The same techniques that are being used today. I thought the comparison was apt and shocking...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:32pm |
re: #234 NJDhockeyfan
Like I said, there is racism in both parties. Saying 'Your side has more racists than my side.' isn't going to fix the problem. Call them out, expose them, and let everyone see who they are. Racism was a big problem in the Democrat primaries if you remember correctly.
I just can't help but notice you'd rather talk about one old dem senator, or one off the cuff remark from another dem senator, anything except actually discussing the matter at hand.
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Jadespring Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:39pm |
re: #233 BruceKelly
I thought it was Canadian.
It premiered at the Toronto film fest. I think that's why it seems to get labeled as Canadian.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:45pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:56pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
You're a ridiculous apologist. A tulpa made of nothing but tu quoque. A weak mind. Enjoy your devotion to carrying water for bigots, I hope someday you figure out you don't have to anymore. I hope one day the blind tribalism scales fall from your eyes and you actually see this vileness for what it is, and clean your party up before it becomes a gangrenous shell of its former self.
I won't be holding my breath.
I am a member of neither party.
Calling me an apologist for racists is a vile comment on your part. Go fuck yourself.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:16:59pm |
re: #232 Charles
No, I don't. Why don't you spell it out for me?
well I think that both photos were presented with the intent to cause an emotional reaction... I don't think that the witch doctor photo accurately represents Obama, do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:17:22pm |
there is an element of institutionalized racism in this country...it's never been to far under the surface, it's very opportunistic and has reared it's ugly head through the years whenever the climate is ripe....history has shown that racism is bipartisan....there is a certain and sure connection between this picture Charles has posted and the GOP today...it's folly to deny it...racism transcends party affiliation
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:17:48pm |
re: #256 brookly red
do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?
I do. It's pretty plain to me.
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austin_blue Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:18:26pm |
Jeez, this is just getting interesting and I have to get some kip. Goodnight sweet Lizards! Sweet dreams to all. See you tomorrow!
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:18:28pm |
Upon further review-Telling the GOP to purge the racists is talking to the fingers in ears "lalala" crowd. A bit like reporting abuse to the Vatican. As an ex Repub, they are not exactly waiting for my advice.
I'm calling on my fellow independent voters to help Cut The Fringe™
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:19:24pm |
Step back a bit. Now step back a bit farther.
The U.S. is fresh off a very unpopular war, with another still going on. The economy very nearly took a fatal nosedive - we are extremely lucky we are not in a full blown depression. Unemployment is only at 13%.
People just had the shit scared out of them when it comes to the economic future of the country. China is kicking our ass in more ways than one. Global warming is scaring people to death.
Yeah, Americans are a little freaked out right now, and many are just not thinking clearly. They are falling for the scare mongering being propagated by those who are no longer in power.
We will rebound and America will be strong and united again. Everybody just needs to chill out a little bit - especially some knuckleheads on the right.
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:19:48pm |
re: #249 Escaped Hillbilly
It wouldn't be the first time the rank and file had to toss out the organizers to clean up an organization. I'd like to see it happen. Unfortunately, I fear I am doomed to be disappointed again.
True, but look what happens if someone on the right speaks out just a bit. Show me one guy on the right that stood up to the insanity without being tossed under the bus.
If anything, it's getting worse, the leaders in the GOP are supporting the fringes knowing it's a growing part of the base.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:20:42pm |
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:02pm |
re: #258 Killgore Trout
I do. It's pretty plain to me.
I do too, altho I don't think it's fair to indict children in this picture as proponents of racism within the GOP now...we don't know who's in that picture
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:03pm |
re: #257 albusteve
racism transcends party affiliation
Upding! Racism belongs to no party but infests them all.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:08pm |
re: #262 avanti
True, but look what happens if someone on the right speaks out just a bit. Show me one guy on the right that stood up to the insanity without being tossed under the bus.
If anything, it's getting worse, the leaders in the GOP are supporting the fringes knowing it's a growing part of the base.
I was convinced the GOP would have huge gains in 2010, now, I'm not too sure...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:16pm |
re: #111 NJDhockeyfan
Are you sure they aren't Robert Byrd's campaign entourage?
You know, they could be. Or they could be Thurmond's, and all of them jumped party a few years down the road.
WTF is this about?
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:28pm |
Both the segregationists and the integrators, were democrats, apparently;
Woodrow Mays, the mayor of Little Rock, asked for help from U.S. Marshalls. He was accompanied by Arkansas Representative Brooks Hays (D). When they were not able to secure the help that they needed from the Marshalls, they approached President Eisenhower directly. Rep. Hays' role in seeking federal assistance infuriated fellow Democrats. This cost him in his bid for re-election to the House of Representatives in 1958, when he lost to fellow Democrat, Dale Alford (who was backed by Faubus supporters and allies) .
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:43pm |
re: #256 brookly red
do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?
Yes.
it does.
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BreezeCJ Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:21:56pm |
Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:03pm |
re: #258 Killgore Trout
And look at the source of ideas/slogans that the Tea Partiers are mining:
JBS - what decade are they from?
Joe McCarthy - what decade was he in?
The Tea Party movement is clearly atavistic in nature, which is why the 1950's photo is not out of line.
Movements always have roots - they don't just drop out of the sky. Some people/groups transcend, or at least attempt to transcend, the worst characteristics of their ancestry. However, the current "Tea Party" or "True Conservative" or "Patriot" movements appear to be doing the opposite - they are actively mining elements of our past - elements many Americans threw off and discarded.
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Ojoe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:05pm |
Here are the words to The Melting Pot by Blue Mink:
Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy
Oh like a Curly Latin kinkies
Oh Lordy, Lordy, mixed with yellow Chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know
What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score
Rabbis and the friars
Vishnus and the gurus
We got the Beatles or the Sun God
Well it really doesn't matter what religion you choose
And be thankful little Mrs. Graceful
You know that livin' could be tasteful
We should all get together in a lovin machine
I think I'll call up the queen
It' s only fair that she knows, you know, you know
What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score
* * * * * *
Good night all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:07pm |
re: #265 NJDhockeyfan
Upding! Racism belongs to no party but infests them all.
Keep the tu quoque alive!
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:18pm |
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:39pm |
re: #246 avanti
I can't tell you the number of times I've tried to engage some conservatives and all I hear are reruns of the Glenn Beck show. Those on the right and the left for that matter, need to step out of the echo chamber and do some homework on the issues.
I hear ya.
I've lost count of the number of emails I've responded to (reply all) refuting some stupid Tea Party notion or another. I think I've at least made some people think. It's gonna take a while - emotions are real high still.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:55pm |
re: #114 ausador
Dixiecrats perhaps, maybe, there is some slight chance of that. Democrats?...Uhh...no, I don't think so.
Actually, I'm almost sure they are, given the time and place of the photo. More importantly, what they are, is people getting in the way of their society out of fear and bigotry, a tendency that crosses all party lines.
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:22:56pm |
re: #231 albusteve
the Stones peaking on the Bridges to Babylon tour...I consider this about as good as these guys can get...Richards is awesome in this red hot version of Gimme Shelter...smokin, but you decide
[Video]
Yep, smokin.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:23:00pm |
re: #270 BreezeCJ
Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.
Stacy McCain would love to have you, scooter.
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:23:38pm |
re: #266 Varek Raith
I was convinced the GOP would have huge gains in 2010, now, I'm not too sure...
I fear they will make huge gains by embracing the crazy, it has worked before.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:23:47pm |
re: #256 brookly red
well I think that both photos were presented with the intent to cause an emotional reaction... I don't think that the witch doctor photo accurately represents Obama, do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?
Yes, this photo is a mirror image of what is going on today.
If you took out the words "race mixing" from those signs, you could easily find exact duplicates in tea party signs from this year. And yes, even the "Antichrist" garbage is widespread on the far right.
I've posted dozens of pictures of these signs, and posted many entries about the connections of the organizers to racist groups. Apparently you missed all of those.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:01pm |
re: #279 avanti
I fear they will make huge gains by embracing the crazy, it has worked before.
Twilight Zone, this is.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:12pm |
re: #278 WindUpBird
Upding, for "Scooter" and more!
(GAH! I updinged WUB!)
What is the world coming to?
(Not the first time, either)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:22pm |
re: #119 ferris
Wow, that's a pretty dishonest comparison.
Let's see, the photo appears to be of pro-segregation march. In other words, a protest designed to advocated for that specific goal.
The stated purpose of the tea parties is opposition to high levels of government spending.
Are you honestly saying that the fringe types who show up to tea parties (I'd say the numbers are open to debate) override the stated goals of organizers and the majority of participants?
I guess according to your logic, if a pro-Israel group holds a rally and enough people holding "Killing The Muslim" signs show up, the pro-Israel group is presumed to be holding not a pro-Israel march but a pro Muslim murder march.
Interesting way to look at things.
I'm sure you held exactly this position when Charles was posting pictures of horrible signs at anti-war rallies, right?
If not, why not?
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Lidane Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:38pm |
re: #268 swamprat
Old meme.
Racism and racial tensions will always transcend ideology and political party. The problem is that we're seeing those tensions being actively exploited by very powerful people in order to boost ratings, raise cash, etc. That's what we need to confront head on.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:46pm |
re: #3 marjoriemoon
"Race Mixing is Communism"
Oh dear...
Well, if anti-racemixing is fascism, then racemixing must be communism. Just like if something isn't red, it must be green.
Logic. Don't ya love it?
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:24:50pm |
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:26pm |
re: #268 swamprat
Both the segregationists and the integrators, were democrats, apparently;
Woodrow Mays, the mayor of Little Rock, asked for help from U.S. Marshalls. He was accompanied by Arkansas Representative Brooks Hays (D). When they were not able to secure the help that they needed from the Marshalls, they approached President Eisenhower(republican) directly. Rep. Hays' role in seeking federal assistance infuriated fellow Democrats. This cost him in his bid for re-election to the House of Representatives in 1958, when he lost to fellow Democrat, Dale Alford (who was backed by Faubus supporters and allies) .
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:41pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:25:47pm |
re: #122 recusancy
Or point to the .05% of the tea partiers who aren't white and say, "look we have black people!".
If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.
I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:13pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
Yes.
it does.
I'm not so sure it's that simple...there was racism then and there is racism now...that part is true, but that's all that can be gleaned from the picture...the pendulum swings both ways as you well know
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:19pm |
re: #270 BreezeCJ
Charles has dropped the hammer on this troll. Time for some late-night troll burgers!
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:47pm |
Speaking of the rightwing nut-o-sphere, the newswires keep offering up plenty of material. From today:
Man asks grand jury to indict Obama
A Monroe County, Tenn., man who was arrested after authorities said he barged in on the county grand jury and demanded an indictment of President Barack Obama was freed on bond Tuesday, records show.
Walter Francis Fitzpatrick contends that President Obama is an illegal alien whose real name is Barry Soetoro.
In what he labeled an "affidavit of criminal complaint" and took to the Monroe County court clerk's office on Friday, Mr. Fitzpatrick wrote that "individuals named below are hereby declared domestic enemies of The (sic) United States of America in commission of treason."
In addition to President Obama, local officials and District Attorney Steve Bebb, he also names members of the president's cabinet, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joe Biden.
When the Fitzpatrick story first broke the usual suspects on the 'net rushed to his aid. Now we know why. Well, he's out on bail now and eventually will be tried. It ought to make for an interesting trial if it goes before a jury.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:56pm |
re: #270 BreezeCJ
Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.
So, how do you see the Tea Party movement?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:26:58pm |
Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:11pm |
re: #132 Lidane
I feel the same way, and I don't like it.
I hate having that tiny little voice in the back of my head that is genuinely scared for the man and his family. I mean, I always had a sense that the first minority President was going to face some ugly reactions from some folks, but what I've seen lately has gone above and beyond all that to a very worrying degree.
When I look at the tea party stuff, I know instinctively that not every person there is a racist asshole. I'd say that most are just angry and scared, especially after losing their jobs or their homes, or both. However, they're being manipulated and exploited by people who ARE racist assholes, or who have a vested interest in playing on their anxieties and fears, and in raising racial tensions,whether it's to boost ratings for their talk shows, sell books, or raise money for their pet causes.
Once the mainstream right starts doing that, it gives the racist extremists cover. They can hide in plain sight, bringing their offensive signs, shouting slurs at members of Congress and all that. When someone points out those offensive signs or actions, the same folks who have a vested interest in stoking these tensions for ratings or cash start whining about broad brushes and stereotypes and enemy plants, so nothing changes and the tensions continue. It's a never-ending clusterfuck that should never have started in the first place.
I just keep reminding myself that whoever is President is always in some danger, and that the Secret Service is very, very good at what they do.
Also, I drink a lot.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:13pm |
re: #292 albusteve
I'm not so sure it's that simple...there was racism then and there is racism now...that part is true, but that's all that can be gleaned from the picture...the pendulum swings both ways as you well know
And the dems have purged the racists and are now the party of minorities. Now it's the gop's turn no?
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:17pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
If I were young and black, and good-looking,
and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in thefringeRight.I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.
OK now I agree.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:31pm |
re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm sure you held exactly this position when Charles was posting pictures of horrible signs at anti-war rallies, right?
If not, why not?
Point!
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:31pm |
re: #281 Varek Raith
Twilight Zone, this is.
Just step out of this blog for a moment and read about "dream" tickets. Beck/Bachman for example.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:42pm |
re: #270 BreezeCJ
Whomever posted that photo, trying to make a comparison to the tea-party movement, is an ass.
to deny racism in the GOP now is even assier
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:49pm |
re: #256 brookly red
well I think that both photos were presented with the intent to cause an emotional reaction... I don't think that the witch doctor photo accurately represents Obama, do you really feel that this 60 year old photo represents what is going on today?
If you took a single person from this photo, and compared them to certain single people at Tea Party rallies, then yes, the sentiment is the same. Racism.
If the photo above is suppose to be representative of EVERYONE at a Tea Party rally, then no, I don't agree that this photo honestly represents most Tea Party rallies.
ALL the people in this photo have be rallied together by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to protest the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. ALL the people in this photo are at this rally for the expressed reason that they are racist.
I have yet to see a picture of a Tea Party rally where the expressed reason for the people to be there was to protest favorably for racism, even though we have proof that there are racist at those rallies.
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ShaunP Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:55pm |
re: #296 Charles
Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.
I can't wait to see the blogosphere's response...
///
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:27:56pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.
I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.
Uh ... Michael Steele?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:19pm |
re: #147 Escaped Hillbilly
I have made a decision to attend the next tea party event that I can. Don't know when/where that will be. But I wish to see with my own eyes and make my own judgments. I may well attempt some type of sign count or other study for my own interest. I also wonder if/how often the rank and file attempt to correct those around them that are stepping over the decency line with Obama=Hitler signs and such. I'd like to observe and try to document.
Take pictures!
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:20pm |
re: #280 Charles
Yes, this photo is a mirror image of what is going on today.
If you took out the words "race mixing" from those signs, you could easily find exact duplicates in tea party signs from this year. And yes, even the "Antichrist" garbage is widespread on the far right.
I've posted dozens of pictures of these signs, and posted many entries about the connections of the organizers to racist groups. Apparently you missed all of those.
OK, I asked for your opinion & you gave it to me. Noted and logged Sir, I have no further questions. Thank you for you honesty.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:43pm |
re: #296 Charles
Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.
It's basically lowering an agitator into the fever swamp. The trolls leap out screaming, until they get clue batted. They're like Silver Carp, only uglier.
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Irenicum Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:47pm |
Hey kids. Looks like a fun time is being had by all. Feeling a bit better tonight. Still sad, but life is bigger than our momentary experiences. God is still good. Glad to see last night's troll got devoured. Remember to take your antacids before you eat any racists. They cause some serious heartburn. They can really **** up your digestive tract. Keep up your good work Charles. This stupid shit needs to stop pronto.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:28:55pm |
re: #296 Charles
There has got to be a lot of this stuff out there. It's a sewer mans kind of job to dig it up but images of racism of the era must be out there all over the place. Newspaper and police archives etc. Telling images.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:29:07pm |
re: #149 Obdicut
No fucking pro-Israel group would allow anyone holding signs advocating killing Muslims. They would be cast out righteously.
That is the goddamn difference.
I've been with groups that have had to do that. And they do, up to and including getting help from the police.
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:29:18pm |
re: #284 Lidane
Old meme.
Racism and racial tensions will always transcend ideology and political party. The problem is that we're seeing those tensions being actively exploited by very powerful people in order to boost ratings, raise cash, etc. That's what we need to confront head on.
Yes, The republicans are failing to denounce the racists in their ranks because they don't want to lose the votes!
They are not taking any moral stands. They are stumping for votes.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:29:24pm |
re: #290 Charles
Damn it, I wanted to practice! You're too fast!
(It's a good thing, I'm just frustrated!)
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Girth Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:30:20pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
Where have you gone, J. C. Watts, a party turns its lonely eyes to you, woo woo woo....
In 2008, Watts announced he was developing a cable news network with the help of Comcast, focusing on a black audience,[42] and that he considered voting for Barack Obama, criticizing the Republican party for not practicing outreach to the black community.[43] Reports showed he contributed to John McCain, but not to Obama.[44]
Watts considered running to succeed Brad Henry as Governor of Oklahoma in the 2010 gubernatorial election,[45] but declined in May 2009, citing his business and contractual obligations.[46]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:30:31pm |
re: #296 Charles
Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.
yeah, but not the right nerve for some folks, apparently.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:30:37pm |
This whole Tea Party movement has been a real eye-opener for me...
Disappointed, I am.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:11pm |
re: #157 WindUpBird
Bush: not racist
GOP southern strategy: racist
tea-party base primarying mainstream republicans: racist.
Do you understand yet?
Bush, pace Kanye West, had an excellent personal track record on race. Dude was deaf to the dogwhistles.
Sadly, one man can't fix everything, and he had some other stuff to worry about during his term.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:16pm |
re: #296 Charles
Apparently this picture really struck a nerve.
it should...fucking people are so desensitized and ignorant of the past...their nerves need to be struck
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:17pm |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
If you took a single person from this photo, and compared them to certain single people at Tea Party rallies, then yes, the sentiment is the same. Racism.
If the photo above is suppose to be representative of EVERYONE at a Tea Party rally, then no, I don't agree that this photo honestly represents most Tea Party rallies.
ALL the people in this photo have be rallied together by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to protest the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. ALL the people in this photo are at this rally for the expressed reason that they are racist.
I have yet to see a picture of a Tea Party rally where the expressed reason for the people to be there was to protest favorably for racism, even though we have proof that there are racist at those rallies.
Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.
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avanti Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:29pm |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
If you took a single person from this photo, and compared them to certain single people at Tea Party rallies, then yes, the sentiment is the same. Racism.
If the photo above is suppose to be representative of EVERYONE at a Tea Party rally, then no, I don't agree that this photo honestly represents most Tea Party rallies.
ALL the people in this photo have be rallied together by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus to protest the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. ALL the people in this photo are at this rally for the expressed reason that they are racist.
I have yet to see a picture of a Tea Party rally where the expressed reason for the people to be there was to protest favorably for racism, even though we have proof that there are racist at those rallies.
I agree with that, but can we agree that many of the organizers are in fact racist, even accepting the given that not all the attendees are aware of that ?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:40pm |
re: #313 Floral Giraffe
Damn it, I wanted to practice! You're too fast!
(It's a good thing, I'm just frustrated!)
You're just frustrated...I quit smoking a week ago (cold turkey BTW) and my nerves are fried. I haven't cheated once! :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:46pm |
re: #159 captdiggs
"A few years ago, this guy ( Obama ) would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton
[Link: politifi.com...]Trying to paint a broad stroke that the GOP is racist, is a true exercise in trying to convince yourself of something, and nothing more.
You think that quote by Clinton is racist? Oh, brother.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:31:52pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
If I were young and black, and good-looking, and if I had no scruples at all, I might think that now would be a great time to market myself as a young rising political star in the fringe Right.
I'm amazed no one has thought of it yet.
Not an African American, I think this was sort of the game plan for Bobby Jindal until his disastrous national debut speech.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:08pm |
re: #316 Varek Raith
It's driven me to the point where I now will refuse to vote for anyone with (R) after their name unless I know that they have in some way tried to refute the nonsense those in ascendance in the GOP are spewing.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:19pm |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
I think the next big rally or protest might be May Day. I'm looking to document that this year if I can get to a big event. See what perspective that provides.
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:19pm |
re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist
Take pictures!
Well yeah! Don't know when it's gonna happen though. It occurs to me that the reason rallies and demonstrations are full of the young and unemployed or the old and retired is...time.
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:33pm |
re: #319 brookly red
Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.
Oh My God! You killed Kenny!
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:38pm |
re: #305 Charles
Uh ... Michael Steele?
Not young, not good-looking, and not a rising star.
But other than that, sure.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:51pm |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
You're just frustrated...I quit smoking a week ago (cold turkey BTW) and my nerves are fried. I haven't cheated once! :)
CONGRATULATIONS on quitting.
Jealous here.
Keep it up.
Just one, is a problem..
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:32:55pm |
re: #323 bratwurst
Not an African American, I think this was sort of the game plan for Bobby Jindal until his disastrous national debut speech.
Stupid volcanoes and their constant need form monitoring!
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:36pm |
re: #298 recusancy
And the dems have purged the racists and are now the party of minorities. Now it's the gop's turn no?
no party can purge racists...maybe it's genetic...the GOP at present is actually flaunting their racism, just like the democrats did years ago...it will never end
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:39pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:47pm |
It's amazing to me that every single time I post something like this, we have to start all over again from square one, as if the last year and a half never happened.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:54pm |
re: #320 avanti
I agree with that, but can we agree that many of the organizers are in fact racist, even accepting the given that not all the attendees are aware of that ?
I never said they weren't, for a matter of fact, I have agreed over and over that there are racist among the leadership of the Tea Parties. You can't even find me saying anything otherwise. But I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party.
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JustWonderful Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:56pm |
re: #319 brookly red
Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.
Ideological hatred is passed from one generation to the next. I fail to see your point.
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:33:58pm |
re: #328 sagehen
Not young, not good-looking, and not a rising star.
But other than that, sure.
Sometimes you have to work with what is on hand...
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Ojoe Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:09pm |
re: #279 avanti
No, I think the GOP will make some gains by the rotten economy, and with these gains we will unfortunately get more of Teh Crazy in congress.
God help us.
Mane Nobiscum, Domine, Quoniam Advseperacit
Good Night All
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:12pm |
So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:18pm |
re: #327 Racer X
Oh My God! You killed Kenny!
Well I could post some pictures of Germans 60 years ago... but I kinda think most have changed.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:21pm |
re: #325 Rightwingconspirator
I think the next big rally or protest might be May Day. I'm looking to document that this year if I can get to a big event. See what perspective that provides.
Nope, it'll be April 15th.
Tax Day.
It's being promoted all over the place.
Gonna be ugly, as far as I can tell.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:34:34pm |
re: #170 Uninformed Opinion
Is not the same man that ostracized the john birch society and other fringe groups from the movement? Seems almost like apples and oranges.
There were conservative voices that were not happy about Bush's spending sprees. The problem is that they are not the same voices fueling the Tea Parties.
Honest to God, I don't know what the first few of these looked like, but these people marching around Washington now wouldn't give a shit about what spending looked like if McCain were in office.
Period.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:20pm |
re: #319 brookly red
Walter if I took a single person from this photo taken 60 years ago... they would most likely be dead.
I said compare, not the actual person. I was very clear as to my analogy. Do you actually think I was suggesting that someone in the photo above was running the Tea Parties? Come on.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:24pm |
re: #329 Floral Giraffe
CONGRATULATIONS on quitting.
Jealous here.
Keep it up.
Just one, is a problem..
Someone at work notice the smell of cigs on me one day. I was embarrassed enough to finally put them down. It's a struggle every minute.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:46pm |
re: #335 JustWonderful
Ideological hatred is passed from one generation to the next. I fail to see your point.
well I am sorry about you family... don't judge mine.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:47pm |
Good night, all.
( I CAN'T stay up as late as last night, but it's been fun)
Keep up the good fight, Charles.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:52pm |
re: #338 Racer X
So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?
He's only been in office a year.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:54pm |
re: #185 palomino
But do you think Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or even Bush want ANYTHING to do with the teabaggers?
I can't see Condi with that crowd. They would keep repeating fake talking points, and she would be forced to kill them with her Seriously Sexy Lady Wonk Fu.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:19pm |
re: #338 Racer X
So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?
He has 3 more years to go before history has something to judge.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:38pm |
re: #338 Racer X
So, 20 years from now - how do you think history will judge Obama?
Give him at least half a term before you start writing history!
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:41pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:50pm |
re: #343 NJDhockeyfan
Someone at work notice the smell of cigs on me one day. I was embarrassed enough to finally put them down. It's a struggle every minute.
You're doing the right thing FOR YOURSELF.
Keep up the good work.
Or start again IMMEDIATELY.
Hope you succeed!
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:36:59pm |
re: #346 recusancy
He's only been in office a year.
Yes. You are correct.
Give me a prediction.
20 years from now - how will he have done?
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JustWonderful Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:09pm |
re: #344 brookly red
well I am sorry about you family... don't judge mine.
It was not a judgement. That is what you just did.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:12pm |
re: #349 bratwurst
Give him at least half a term before you start writing history!
That's called a Palin-Term.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:14pm |
re: #334 Walter L. Newton
I never said they weren't, for a matter of fact, I have agreed over and over that there are racist among the leadership of the Tea Parties. You can't even find me saying anything otherwise. But I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party.
to me, it's a simple illustration that some things never change...it's not an indictment against anybody other than who is in this pic and the racist element of the GOP today...it's not all inclusive, and it's bipartisan...it's just a picture
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:15pm |
re: #223 Varek Raith
The GOP has embraced the fringe with nary a peep from its most powerful leaders...
That would be because currently it's most powerful leaders are the fringe. Name me one "republican leader" who has the stature to take on Limbaugh without having to apologize a day later, just one?
It is a party without a leader, a party without a core, a party led by T.V. and Radio personalities who make more money by keeping it powerless but angry instead of meaningful politically. It is a party that is friggin doomed unless it shakes of the influence of media pundits and decides for itself where to go from here.
Of course they can always keep on ignoring their monetary contributors until they have none, they are doing pretty good at that already, but then there would be no party anymore would there?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:37:45pm |
re: #325 Rightwingconspirator
I think the next big rally or protest might be May Day. I'm looking to document that this year if I can get to a big event. See what perspective that provides.
RWC - may I suggest also that you look into the local organizers? See who they are connected with. It was very easy to find this information for our local events, all this stuff was on facebook.
Again, whether particular signs show up or not in a particular location, the fact is that these things are being run by folks who are really out there. Sadly, many don't do any research and there are good folks getting sucked into these things without knowing what's going on behind the scenes, what it is that they are getting affiliated with. Honestly, I wasn't paying much attention myself until Killgore started harping on these things (incessantly for a bit there). And that's what prompted me to take a deeper look.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:38:25pm |
re: #351 Floral Giraffe
You're doing the right thing FOR YOURSELF.
Keep up the good work.
Or start again IMMEDIATELY.
Hope you succeed!
I have twin girls who want their daddy around for a long time. I want to make sure of that.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:38:31pm |
re: #342 Walter L. Newton
I said compare, not the actual person. I was very clear as to my analogy. Do you actually think I was suggesting that someone in the photo above was running the Tea Parties? Come on.
well no but come on posting old photos... what if I posted your HS year book photo?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:09pm |
re: #213 Rightwingconspirator
Hold on. Lets stop the partisan bullshit one second. Just look at the shot and ponder how far we have come as a culture, warts and all. We have a black President, a woman SecState, and a real fight on over gay rights in the military and marriage. Call out the fringe, show the racists up, and then take some joy from how far we have come. Use that energy to sideline the fringe and we have real progress.
Hear, hear!
Bangs drum, toodles fife.
Strike up:
Columbia the gem of the ocean,
The home of the brave and the free...
We now return to our scheduled political argument already in progress. (Good points, dude.)
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:10pm |
re: #335 JustWonderful
Ideological hatred is passed from one generation to the next. I fail to see your point.
I'm not nearly as idealistic as my father or grandfathers were...the chain can be broken you know
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:14pm |
Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:29pm |
re: #348 NJDhockeyfan
He has 3 more years to go before history has something to judge.
and 7 more until he's out of office :)
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:39:41pm |
re: #340 Floral Giraffe
If you get word of anything in SoCal or central California drop me a note please. Whatever the politics, these events challenge my shutter finger. But yeah, that is a Thursday. I can cover downtown LA that day for sure. If we get anything.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:40:19pm |
re: #363 WindUpBird
and 7 more until he's out of office :)
What are you talking about? Hello? 12-21-2012.
Sheesh.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:40:54pm |
re: #359 brookly red
well no but come on posting old photos... what if I posted your HS year book photo?
You are starting to get on my nerves. Did you even read what I said above? "I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party." How much clearer do you want me to be. For someone who is looking for some support, you are certainly being an ass about it.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:41:21pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
You think that quote by Clinton is racist? Oh, brother.
I wonder what the percentage is of people who DON'T think Rush is a racist but DO think that Clinton quote is racist. Actually, scratch that. I don't want to know!
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:01pm |
re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist
There were conservative voices that were not happy about Bush's spending sprees. The problem is that they are not the same voices fueling the Tea Parties.
Honest to God, I don't know what the first few of these looked like, but these people marching around Washington now wouldn't give a shit about what spending looked like if McCain were in office.
Period.
Bruce Bartlett was extremely critical of Bush's spending, and his expansion of government (especially Medicare D, but also wiretapping and other Patriot Act sorts of things).
He lost his think tank job, some of his columnist gigs, his fellowships.... it took years for his career prospects to thaw.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:04pm |
re: #365 Varek Raith
What are you talking about? Hello? 12-21-2012.
Sheesh.
Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?
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ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:36pm |
Here's something kinda funny...some folks here say that tea party organizers never disassociate themselves from the kooks.
Why on this very blog, just a few days ago (March 28th), Charles ran a photo of that idiot holding the "Nigra" sign.
In the comments Charles defended referring to this idiot as a leader of the tea party...
Then whoever is actually in charge of that group needs to let the Washington Times know that. This is only one of at least half a dozen articles they've published about leaders of the tea party movement, referring to Robertson as the founder of teaparty.org.
Let's see what the tea party people actually say...
In response to questions we have received regarding Dale Robertson and his involvement with HoustonTPS, and specifically in reference to his attendance at our rally on 27 Feb 2009, we would like to state that:
1. He is NOT a member of our Leadership team.
2. He owns a website with which we have never been affiliated.
3. He has never been a part of organizing any of the Tea Party rallies in the Houston area, or any other area that we can find.
4. We addressed some issues involving him back in April. Here it is on our website, where Mr. Robertson himself comments: [Link: houstontps.org...]
5. We do not choose to associate with people that use his type of disgusting language.
A search on Google yields plenty of information about Mr. Robertson, and a search of the various leadership teams among legitimate national tea party organizations show him nowhere to be found.
That was posted...on January 6th, 2010. And yet two months later you are still holding that guy up as the poster child for the tea party groups and chastising them for not disassociating themselves from him.
Sorry, whose decency is called into question by this again?
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:44pm |
re: #362 Racer X
Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.
there is no doubt in my mind that the GOP could put a theocrat racist in the WH...I never underestimate the ignorance of voters...if they can install BO, anything is on the table
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:44pm |
re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist
There were conservative voices that were not happy about Bush's spending sprees. The problem is that they are not the same voices fueling the Tea Parties.
Honest to God, I don't know what the first few of these looked like, but these people marching around Washington now wouldn't give a shit about what spending looked like if McCain were in office.
Period.
Damn right. And I saw an early tea party, and am acquainted with a number of people active in my obfuscated living area. I do not have a positive view for many, many reasons.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:46pm |
I'm going to sign off for the night. I'll be back in the morning.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:42:49pm |
re: #357 reine.de.tout
I will do that, very good thinking there. I do have immigration advocate contacts. And I get the LAPD "event" emails from the community outreach side.
Ahh it's late. I dare not hang in a topic like this one in slowbrain mode. See ya all next time.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:43:19pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?
You should place a wager!
:D
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:23pm |
re: #368 sagehen
Bruce Bartlett was extremely critical of Bush's spending, and his expansion of government (especially Medicare D, but also wiretapping and other Patriot Act sorts of things).
He lost his think tank job, some of his columnist gigs, his fellowships... it took years for his career prospects to thaw.
Which is what is happening to Frum right now.
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JustWonderful Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:38pm |
re: #361 albusteve
I'm not nearly as idealistic as my father or grandfathers were...the chain can be broken you know
Of course. But peer pressures in Communities where things such as racism exist is a powerful weapon against those who attempt to break free from the ideological mores of family and Community.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:40pm |
re: #305 Charles
Uh ... Michael Steele?
No, no, as a pundit. Think of Palin, but like ten years younger, and black.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:44:56pm |
re: #375 Varek Raith
You should place a wager!
:D
Heh. I think she watches Oprah & The View way too much.
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Girth Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:03pm |
re: #354 recusancy
That's called a Palin-Term.
There are roughly five Friedman-Units in a Palin-Term.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:07pm |
re: #366 Walter L. Newton
You are starting to get on my nerves. Did you even read what I said above? "I do have my opinion about how much this photo is or isn't a mirror of the all the groups who call themselves the Tea Party." How much clearer do you want me to be. For someone who is looking for some support, you are certainly being an ass about it.
I am not looking for support, and I just don't see the relationship with a 60 year old picture as to here & now... look there are plenty of current pictures that I guess could make the point. That is all.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:25pm |
re: #370 ferris
Here's something kinda funny...some folks here say that tea party organizers never disassociate themselves from the kooks.
Why on this very blog, just a few days ago (March 28th), Charles ran a photo of that idiot holding the "Nigra" sign.
In the comments Charles defended referring to this idiot as a leader of the tea party...
That was posted...on January 6th, 2010. And yet two months later you are still holding that guy up as the poster child for the tea party groups and chastising them for not disassociating themselves from him.
Sorry, whose decency is called into question by this again?
Excuse me, but you are full of crap. It's not me who's holding up this guy as a tea party leader -- it's the Washington Times, one of the main promoters of the tea parties.
Maybe you should write to the Washington Times and complain about that.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:29pm |
re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist
I just keep reminding myself that whoever is President is always in some danger, and that the Secret Service is very, very good at what they do.
Also, I drink a lot.
Well, Ford was shot at, Reagan was shot, and before that, TR was shot at, and McKinley was shot dead and Lincoln was shot dead.
And on the other side of the aisle, Kennedy was shot dead, Grover Cleveland was shot (at?), and maybe there were others.
It's not as if Republicans are gunning for Democrats, though. History can tell us that much.
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:45:42pm |
re: #376 Uninformed Opinion
Which is what is happening to Frum right now.
Because civil discourse is bad!
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:46:02pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?
Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:46:45pm |
re: #305 Charles
Uh ... Michael Steele?
Speaking of Steele, Kathleen Parker is now throwing darts at him:
Michael Steele's problem isn't race -- it's pride
Parker ignores the obvious: Why was Steele chosen as RNC chair in the first place?
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:03pm |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
Heh. I think she watches Oprah & The View way too much.
I don't watch Oprah or The View...but I feel confident in saying that neither show is trading in doomsday predictions anyway.
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Ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:15pm |
re: #382 Charles
So you have no responsibility for the promulgation of inaccurate information?
I'm not saying you have to fact check every msm story you link to but are you really saying you have no obligation to correct the record when it's pointed out something you played up is inaccurate?
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:15pm |
re: #385 Bagua
Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.
These blasted leaks are unacceptable!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:25pm |
re: #385 Bagua
Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.
Coast to Coast was on last night?
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:47:56pm |
re: #385 Bagua
Oh she has good reason! I was listing to the Radio last night and there was some talk about a black hole. Big cover-up apparently, according to the expert.
you can't cover a black hole up for very long...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:48:34pm |
re: #359 brookly red
well no but come on posting old photos... what if I posted your HS year book photo?
I think I must have lost the thrust of the argument somewhere. You think that if you posted Walter's old HS year book photo he would be protesting integration in it?
???
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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:48:42pm |
Gah!
So tired I can't think straight.
I would love to reset my personal body-clock to Pacific time but unfortunately, all the stuff I have to do every day occurs in Central time.
Night, all.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:48:46pm |
re: #388 Ferris
People in glass houses should not fire tactical nukes..
Wait...is that how it goes...?
;)
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:02pm |
re: #386 freetoken
Speaking of Steele, Kathleen Parker is now throwing darts at him:
Michael Steele's problem isn't race -- it's pride
Parker ignores the obvious: Why was Steele chosen as RNC chair in the first place?
he should be canned...like yesterday...the guy is a tool and should be ashamed of himself....but $$$...it's a sweet job no?
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:08pm |
re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist
I think I must have lost the thrust of the argument somewhere. You think that if you posted Walter's old HS year book photo he would be protesting integration in it?
???
no I just say it would not be an accurate representation of who he is today.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:09pm |
re: #362 Racer X
Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.
Strong on healthcare, decent on foreign policy, so-so on the domestic economy.
A lot will depend on what happens with the laundry list.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:28pm |
re: #388 Ferris
So you have no responsibility for the promulgation of inaccurate information?
I'm not saying you have to fact check every msm story you link to but are you really saying you have no obligation to correct the record when it's pointed out something you played up is inaccurate?
I'm saying you should learn to read. In my post, I made it extremely clear that Robertson was described by the Washington Times as a leader of the tea parties.
They've done this at least three times now. And yet, people like you want to blame me for pointing it out.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:29pm |
re: #381 brookly red
I am not looking for support, and I just don't see the relationship with a 60 year old picture as to here & now... look there are plenty of current pictures that I guess could make the point. That is all.
That's what I am trying to say. As an all inclusive picture, a direct mirror of current Tea Party rallies, it doesn't hold up for me. If you want to use this picture to compare racists to racists, then an individual racist in this picture can be compared to some of the racist we have seen holding signs at Tea Parties. But no, as a mirror, doesn't work. EVERYONE in this picture are racists. I have yet to see a Tea Party rally where we can assuredly say that everyone at the Tea Party rally is racist.
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samuraishake Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:50:55pm |
re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist
Bush, pace Kanye West, had an excellent personal track record on race
Being blind to racial differences IS racism. Not overt, hateful racism, but racism nonetheless. When people claim to want to live in a "colorblind" society where race doesn't matter, then everyone would essentially have to be the same. Cultural niches would cease to exist (hip hop culture, cinco de mayo, etc), because the majority does not participate or enjoy these things.
In short, if you want to live in a color-blind society, then some cultural norm has to be established. Inevitably, this norm will be set by the majority culture, thus phasing out the minority cultures. Hence, racism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:16pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
Would you believe my mother is convinced that the world will end in 2012?
Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:18pm |
re: #390 NJDhockeyfan
Coast to Coast was on last night?
Yep. What they're not telling us is that the Earth is swooping by a massive Black Hole in the Milky-way. It's supposed to be a real threat so they are building an underground bunker near the North Pole to ride it out and re-populate.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:27pm |
re: #391 brookly red
you can't cover a black hole up for very long...
I bet David Copperfield could make it disappear. I saw him make the Statue of Liberty vanish once.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:51:55pm |
re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist
I think I must have lost the thrust of the argument somewhere. You think that if you posted Walter's old HS year book photo he would be protesting integration in it?
???
I'm not sure where Brooklyn Red is going with his comments or even what he is trying to say. I am trying to agree partially with some of his assertions that he has made up thread, yet he seems to be fighting me even on my support.
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Girth Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:52:09pm |
re: #394 Varek Raith
People in glass houses should not fire tactical nukes..
Wait...is that how it goes...?
;)
I thought it was transparent aluminum and phasers.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:52:34pm |
re: #22 Obdicut
Well, that really pissed me off. Not mad at you of course. As much as I don't care for the physical welfare of such cretins, part of me is somewhat interested in who or what created such a vicious racist and antisemite.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:52:52pm |
re: #402 Bagua
Yep. What they're not telling us is that the Earth is swooping by a massive Black Hole in the Milky-way. It's supposed to be a real threat so they are building an underground bunker near the North Pole to ride it out and re-populate.
Heh, closest black hole to earth is about 1600 light years.
:)
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:53:24pm |
re: #399 Walter L. Newton
That's what I am trying to say. As an all inclusive picture, a direct mirror of current Tea Party rallies, it doesn't hold up for me. If you want to use this picture to compare racists to racists, then an individual racist in this picture can be compared to some of the racist we have seen holding signs at Tea Parties. But no, as a mirror, doesn't work. EVERYONE in this picture are racists. I have yet to see a Tea Party rally where we can assuredly say that everyone at the Tea Party rally is racist.
well right fuckin on, so maybe calling the tea parties racist is errr a stretch?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:53:41pm |
re: #402 Bagua
Yep. What they're not telling us is that the Earth is swooping by a massive Black Hole in the Milky-way. It's supposed to be a real threat so they are building an underground bunker near the North Pole to ride it out and re-populate.
How hot are the women?
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:54:36pm |
re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist
No, no, as a pundit. Think of Palin, but like ten years younger, and black.
Like Michelle Bernard?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:55:41pm |
re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist
Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.
Brilliant! I never had that excuse available.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:05pm |
re: #407 Varek Raith
Heh, closest black hole to earth is about 1600 light years.
:)
no it's in Washington DC...
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:41pm |
re: #387 bratwurst
The view was when Rosie was on. Haven't watched much since but have seen a couple clips of Whoopie saying some of the same dumb stuff.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:53pm |
re: #391 brookly red
you can't cover a black hole up for very long...
I enjoyed that comment on several levels. I'm listening to the audio book "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:56:55pm |
re: #370 ferris
In response to questions we have received regarding Dale Robertson and his involvement with HoustonTPS, and specifically in reference to his attendance at our rally on 27 Feb 2009, we would like to state that:1. He is NOT a member of our Leadership team.
2. He owns a website with which we have never been affiliated.
3. He has never been a part of organizing any of the Tea Party rallies in the Houston area, or any other area that we can find.
4. We addressed some issues involving him back in April. Here it is on our website, where Mr. Robertson himself comments: [Link: houstontps.org...]
5. We do not choose to associate with people that use his type of disgusting language.
A search on Google yields plenty of information about Mr. Robertson, and a search of the various leadership teams among legitimate national tea party organizations show him nowhere to be found.
Well, IF (big if) the Tea Party movement is starting to acknowledge and purge the racist elements of their movement, I think that is a good start. They have a long way to go.
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Ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:05pm |
re: #398 Charles
I understand what you are saying and again, I don't think blogers need to fact check an article when they link to it but it seems common decency requires acknowledging something you promoted was inaccurate.
Beyond that, you've said (in this very thread as a matter of fact at #218) that
The organizers will never distance themselves from the fringe.
Yet he is a case where they did. And not just any case. As you point out, this Robertson clown made it to the MSM and became something of a poster boy for the 'organizers are racist' claim.
If you won't say anything about the Washington Times story, clearly your comment quoted above should be open to correction or modification.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:20pm |
re: #408 brookly red
well right fuckin on, so maybe calling the tea parties racist is errr a stretch?
I see your trruuuueee colorrrrs
shiiiniiiing through
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:25pm |
I'll repeat what I wrote on January 19th for the benefit of "Ferris," since he can't be bothered to read it for himself:
The last time I posted a link to a Washington Times article about Robertson, I got several insult-laced emails outraged that I described him as a “tea party leader,” saying that he had nothing to do with the Houston tea party groups, and demanding that I post a correction. And now here he is again in the far right Washington Times, touted as one of the main leaders of the teabaggers, and boasting that his group has 7 million members.
Don’t bother emailing again, folks; if you can’t control your own message, to the point where the Washington Times is promoting this idiot as your leader, I’m not going to accept any of the blame for it.
This kind of thing is why the tea party “movement” is such a bad joke.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:57:33pm |
re: #408 brookly red
well right fuckin on, so maybe calling the tea parties racist is errr a stretch?
Calling some of the leadership racist is not a stretch. Pointing out that there is very little "outrage" from Tea Party members about the racists that show up at the meetings is not a stretch. Explaining that there is a perception of racism as a foundation of the Tea Party is not a stretch.
Calling every single member of the Tea Party a racist is a stretch. Who's done that?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:58:08pm |
re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist
Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.
The Princess is waiting to see how many kids skip school that week.
She will be attending; she's not superstitious, and neither are her parents.
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:58:39pm |
re: #414 BruceKelly
I enjoyed that comment on several levels. I'm listening to the audio book "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.
his sense of humor amazes me.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:58:41pm |
re: #410 sagehen
Like Michelle Bernard?
[Video]
She's wayyyy to moderate and knowledgeable. Probably someone more like Fox News' Angela "not conversant with the details of all issues" McGlowan.
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HelloDare Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:07pm |
re: #63 austin_blue
I'm sure some on the Right did think that. But as far as Republican politicians go, I don't think you can make that blanket statement. Most likely, there were a higher percentage of Democrats politicians who thought that way.
Vote count
The two numbers in each line of this list refer to the number of representatives voting in favor and against the act, respectively.
Senate: 77–19
* Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
* Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)
House: 333–85
* Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
* Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)
Conference Report:
Senate: 79–18
* Democrats: 49–17 (four Southern Democrats voted in favor: Albert Gore, Sr., Ross Bass, George Smathers and Ralph Yarborough).
* Republicans: 30–1 (the lone nay was Strom Thurmond; John Tower who did not vote was paired as a nay vote with Eugene McCarthy who would have voted in favor.)
House: 328–74
* Democrats: 217–54
* Republicans: 111–20
By party
The original House version:
* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:
* Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%-34%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version:
* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:
* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:35pm |
re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist
Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.
Proof that there will be a future:
Man arrested at Large Hadron Collider claims he's from the future
A would-be saboteur arrested today at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland made the bizarre claim that he was from the future. Eloi Cole, a strangely dressed young man, said that he had travelled back in time to prevent the LHC from destroying the world.
The LHC successfully collided particles at record force earlier this week, a milestone Mr Cole was attempting to disrupt by stopping supplies of Mountain Dew to the experiment's vending machines. He also claimed responsibility for the infamous baguette sabotage in November last year.
Mr Cole was seized by Swiss police after CERN security guards spotted him rooting around in bins. He explained that he was looking for fuel for his 'time machine power unit', a device that resembled a kitchen blender.
Police said Mr Cole, who was wearing a bow tie and rather too much tweed for his age, would not reveal his country of origin. "Countries do not exist where I am from. The discovery of the Higgs boson led to limitless power, the elimination of poverty and Kit-Kats for everyone. It is a communist chocolate hellhole and I'm here to stop it ever happening."
This isn't the first time time-travel has been blamed for mishaps at the LHC. Last year, the Japanese physicist Masao Ninomiya and Danish string-theory pioneer Holger Bech Nielsen put forward the hypothesis that the Higgs boson was so "abhorrent" that it somehow caused a ripple in time that prevented its own discovery.
Professor Brian Cox, a former CERN physicist and full-time rock'n'roll TV scientist, was sympathetic to Mr Cole. "Bless him, he sounds harmless enough. At least he didn't mention bloody black holes."
Mr Cole was taken to a secure mental health facility in Geneva but later disappeared from his cell. Police are baffled, but not that bothered.
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:45pm |
re: #409 NJDhockeyfan
How hot are the women?
Well being as it it near the North Pole I reckon they'll have to conserve body heat somehow.
re: #407 Varek Raith
Heh, closest black hole to earth is about 1600 light years.
:)
Ha! That's what they want you to believe. This goes high up. Nobody expects a sudden Black Hole.
Of course, I'm skeptical.
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brookly red Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:59:52pm |
re: #419 Walter L. Newton
Calling some of the leadership racist is not a stretch. Pointing out that there is very little "outrage" from Tea Party members about the racists that show up at the meetings is not a stretch. Explaining that there is a perception of racism as a foundation of the Tea Party is not a stretch.
Calling every single member of the Tea Party a racist is a stretch. Who's done that?
well I guess not the management... but some posters.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:00:07pm |
good evening Lizards ... Just as GW Bush was judged on Iraq, so too will his successor be judged on iran. If Obama gets iran right, I'll live with his other missteps. Regime change in tehran will change the world for the better in a big way. And if Obama gets it done, he probably earns my vote in '12. I question his strategy, but he may be right and I may be wrong. We'll see ...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:00:42pm |
re: #424 Racer X
He's pulling your leg. Check to see if he has a pretty young girl named Rose or Sarah Jane with him, and look for blue boxes in the area as well.
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:14pm |
re: #420 EmmmieG
The Princess is waiting to see how many kids skip school that week.
She will be attending; she's not superstitious, and neither are her parents.
Wish I had had that excuse. I used to skip school so often, teachers didn't remember me being in their class. I definitely would have used the end of the world to my advantage!
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:15pm |
re: #425 Bagua
Ha! That's what they want you to believe. This goes high up. Nobody expects a sudden Black Hole.
Of course, I'm skeptical.
I'm curious, are they counting my point singularity projectors???
;)
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:25pm |
re: #419 Walter L. Newton
Calling some of the leadership racist is not a stretch. Pointing out that there is very little "outrage" from Tea Party members about the racists that show up at the meetings is not a stretch. Explaining that there is a perception of racism as a foundation of the Tea Party is not a stretch.
Calling every single member of the Tea Party a racist is a stretch. Who's done that?
MOST of the leadership is either racist or deranged. I have yet to find a single tea party organization that isn't led by a Ron Paul group, a John Bircher group, or an astroturf group funded by far right nutjobs.
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Ferris Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:01:31pm |
re: #418 Charles
Wow.
You've known that this characterization has been in dispute (to put it mildly) for 3 months and still continue to link to it? No caveats? No warning to your readers that what you are about to quote isn't accurate?
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Uninformed Opinion Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:16pm |
re: #431 Varek Raith
I'm curious, are they counting my point singularity projectors???
;)
/Its the LHC, its gonna destroy us all!
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:29pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:44pm |
Looks like the NYT has the biased headline of the day week month ______ (fill in the blank)...
Palestinians Try a Less Violent Path to Resistance
It's a total puff piece showing the unfortunate Palis being unfairly abused by the evil Israelis.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:02:55pm |
re: #433 Ferris
Just piss off. I'm tired of talking to a wall.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:03:18pm |
re: #413 Escaped Hillbilly
The view was when Rosie was on. Haven't watched much since but have seen a couple clips of Whoopie saying some of the same dumb stuff.
Yeesh, I stand corrected. Then again...I did hear about the bit on The View where Sherri Shepherd revealed that she was not sure if the earth was round, so I should have known better!
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:03:18pm |
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:17pm |
re: #424 Racer X
That time-traveling Boson certainly is a persistent thing... now getting people from the future to do its dirty works.
I still remember the Higgs-Boson sub-plot on Lexx. Great stuff.
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albusteve Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:24pm |
re: #427 _RememberTonyC
good evening Lizards ... Just as GW Bush was judged on Iraq, so too will his successor be judged on iran. If Obama gets iran right, I'll live with his other missteps. Regime change in tehran will change the world for the better in a big way. And if Obama gets it done, he probably earns my vote in '12. I question his strategy, but he may be right and I may be wrong. We'll see ...
how can he induce a regime change in Iran?...at this point that's just a pipe dream...certainly if anyone brings Iran to it's knees, it will be epic...but I doubt it will be BO unless he lights up the Air Force, which he won't.....he's a hope and change kinda guy
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:34pm |
re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist
Would you believe I've had kids give me that as an excuse for not studying in school? World's gonna end in 2012. Why bother? Party, dude.
I used the Vietnam War.
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:04:59pm |
(it was the Mountain Dew reference that should have tipped you off)
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:05:04pm |
re: #442 Racer X
You're ruining it!
I thought that was funny as hell!
No, wait! He intentionally traveled back to April 1 to confuse us. Crafty future bastard.
XD
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JustWonderful Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:05:57pm |
I see a lot of parsing. The simple fact is; look at the Tea Bag movement and even the CPAC convention. At CPAC you had the John Birch Society there, the Oath keepers, and other fringe groups. You had the race baiters like Breitbart and his entourage. One sees obvious hate signs at most Tea Bag rallies. And you know they are consciously trying to tone it down. If it walks like a duck.......
April 19th should be interesting.
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Racer X Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:06:02pm |
re: #443 freetoken
That time-traveling Boson certainly is a persistent thing... now getting people from the future to do its dirty works.
I still remember the Higgs-Boson sub-plot on Lexx. Great stuff.
[Video]
LOL!
I loved that show!
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:06:23pm |
re: #441 bratwurst
She probably went to the same school as the guy from GA who thought Guam just might tip over.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:05pm |
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:17pm |
if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:07:35pm |
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JustWonderful Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:08:35pm |
re: #453 _RememberTonyC
if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?
I see John McCain has his hand up.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:12pm |
re: #441 bratwurst
I'm not sure if the earth is round, either. I haven't been up in a rocket to look (between the fear of heights and the claustrophobia, not going to happen), so I can't say I've looked and seen. For all I know, the earth could be flat, and there could be a handsome dude in a flaming chariot towing the sun around.
I'm taking it on faith that
Every scientist born in the last several hundred years
All the pictures taken by NASA
The way that ships go over the horizon, etc. etc.
are steering me in the right direction.
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:17pm |
re: #455 HelloDare
I hope so.
When you look at the Republican percentages, it really puts things in perspective.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:18pm |
re: #456 JustWonderful
I see John McCain has his hand up.
HAHAHA, yes, Mister "I'm not a maverick"...
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:09:25pm |
re: #441 bratwurst
Yeesh, I stand corrected. Then again...I did hear about the bit on The View where Sherri Shepherd revealed that she was not sure if the earth was round, so I should have known better!
She also said she didn't think there was any religion before Jesus. (Even if we ignore all the polytheists... is it possible that her bible is missing the entire front half?)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:01pm |
re: #460 sagehen
She also said she didn't think there was any religion before Jesus. (Even if we ignore all the polytheists... is it possible that her bible is missing the entire front half?)
Noah was an atheist?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:10pm |
Chopra Blames Own Meditation for Baja Quake
The U.S. Geological Survey is blaming day-to-day seismological changes for Sunday's 7.2 earthquake along the U.S.-Mexico border. But Deepak Chopra, the famed alternative-medicine practitioner and transcendental meditation guru, is pretty sure he knows what really happened.
"Had a powerful meditation just now -- caused an earthquake in Southern California," Chopra wrote to his nearly 179,000 Twitter followers shortly after the quake.
And then, to clarify: "Was meditating on Shiva mantra & earth began to shake," he tweeted. "Sorry about that."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:25pm |
re: #453 _RememberTonyC
if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?
S/he'd better be independently wealthy, because s/he's not gonna get any help from the patient.
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:10:44pm |
re: #460 sagehen
She also said she didn't think there was any religion before Jesus. (Even if we ignore all the polytheists... is it possible that her bible is missing the entire front half?)
That was a cult!//
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:11:24pm |
re: #461 EmmmieG
Noah was an atheist?
Just because one speaks to God doesn't mean that one, you know, believes in her or worships her.
/
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:11:24pm |
re: #444 albusteve
how can he induce a regime change in Iran?...at this point that's just a pipe dream...certainly if anyone brings Iran to it's knees, it will be epic...but I doubt it will be BO unless he lights up the Air Force, which he won't...he's a hope and change kinda guy
by seizing the moral high ground he has tried so hard to inhabit? and hopefully translate all that into something. i pray that all his gestures in year one have been coordinated in a productive way. maybe i just don't get it ... iran hold Obama's future (and ours) in its grip.
| 467 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:12:02pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:12:33pm |
re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist
Just because one speaks to God doesn't mean that one, you know, believes in her or worships her.
/
She just asked me to upding your post.
:)
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Escaped Hillbilly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:13:17pm |
re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist
Just because one speaks to God doesn't mean that one, you know, believes in her or worships her.
/
Funnier still, her assertion implies Jesus was a liar, delusional, or seriously misquoted...wasn't he ...a jew?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:13:51pm |
re: #453 _RememberTonyC
if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?
It's not going to happen. Anyone who dares to criticize the current direction of the GOP will find themselves attacked, smeared, and vilified from all directions. There is no conservative who's immune from this.
The GOP is determined to jump.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:14:07pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:15:10pm |
re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm gonna guess he meant that as a joke.
Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:15:58pm |
re: #470 Charles
It's not going to happen. Anyone who dares to criticize the current direction of the GOP will find themselves attacked, smeared, and vilified from all directions. There is no conservative who's immune from this.
The GOP is determined to jump.
Bill Bennett, in spite of some imperfections ... is a good man.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:15:59pm |
Judging from the referral page, it looks like the illiterate religious fanatic at Gateway Pundit is going to be the first to attack this post.
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HelloDare Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:17:07pm |
re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist
Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.
Hard to tell. He also said this:
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:17:14pm |
re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist
Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.
Yes, the same way we all hope that Tesla never did invent that Earthquake Machine or death ray....
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:17:43pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:18:49pm |
re: #476 HelloDare
Hard to tell. He also said this:
Didn't know that, but I'm still going to say that being a moonbat is a little less weird than thinking you can cause earthquakes through meditation.
Why is the world so full of strange people?
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lostlakehiker Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:06pm |
re: #362 Racer X
Based on what we have seen so far - and we're gonna get 8 years of Obama no doubt about it - how do you think Obama will end his legacy as president? How will history look at him? Give me your predictions.
Quite unknowable. In the long march of history, the health care "reform" will eventually be seen as a big mistake, a budget buster in a time when the U.S. could no longer afford ever more generous entitlement programs.
Entitlements without the means to back them are the road to Argentinian and Greek style chaos. Or, these days, maybe California is the apt example. An entitlement state finds itself stuck either welshing on some of its promises, or raising taxes to the point that the economy founders, and then welshing on all of them.
Policy toward Iran is working out to acquiescing in Iran's having nukes. Will we get away with that? Who can say? If we do, then he's steered clear of the risk of a preemptive war that would surely be nasty, bloody, and expensive. That would earn him some points. If standing by while the storm gathers turns out to be a mistake, and the situation brews up into a nuclear war, then he'll be judged a Chamberlain with respect to foreign policy along with a Carter on domestic policy.
What about the rest of his work? He's waffled on energy. We are no closer to getting a real boost in nuclear energy production than we were 2 years ago, but he's done a little and may eventually get serious and allow big-time construction of nuclear power plants. Then he'd have one point in his favor. We missed our chance to be part of an agreement on greenhouse gases, but there, the Republicans will earn most of the blame, and he'll be judged more a victim of their folly than a party to it.
We are no closer, either, to an environmental policy that takes green energy seriously by brushing aside nimby objections and worries about desert fleas getting too much shade. At this point, if it's a midterm grade, it's got to be a C-. Many big mistakes, a few developments that if tended and improved on might pull it up to a C+ or even a B.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:17pm |
re: #470 Charles
Yeah, even otherwise-thought-of-as-sane Republicans appear to heading far-right. Tonight on the radio I heard an attack ad by Whitman, going after Poizner, touching on the immigration problems. Whitman's advert sounded suspiciously Tancredo-like.
If the ideological leaders of the GOP are the likes of Paul and Tancredo then the party is over edge. Period.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:17pm |
re: #478 Charles
And you no longer have an LGF account.
Two posts in 3 years, I'm sure we'll all shed a tear for him/her....
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:19:52pm |
re: #483 jamesfirecat
Two posts in 3 years, I'm sure we'll all shed a tear for him/her...
Two posts in 3 years, it just won't be the same without him/her around!
(Its too late at night for me to get my sarcasm right on the first try)
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:20:10pm |
I see some of us have had too much tea before bedtime! Good night y'all.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:21:22pm |
re: #453 _RememberTonyC
if i said this once, i said it 100 times. the GOP needs a modern day W.F. Buckley to clean the filth out. Who will step up?
I agree, but things are looking pretty blaek... and yes, I meant blaek.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:22:03pm |
McCain should not run from the maverick label. It suited him well and was a good thing. we need others to follow the example set by McCain, Lieberman, and others with the courage to buck their party on occasion. Partisanship could be our downfall.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:22:36pm |
re: #483 jamesfirecat
Two posts in 3 years, I'm sure we'll all shed a tear for him/her...
When last seen at LGF, "chineena" was defending an absolutely revolting video by Operation Rescue, encouraging people to kill abortion doctors.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:22:51pm |
re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist
Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.
He could've been smokin' some good cheddar when he made that comment.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:11pm |
re: #489 Charles
When last seen at LGF, "chineena" was defending an absolutely revolting video by Operation Rescue, encouraging people to kill abortion doctors.
Sounds like the kind of thing I'm glad I missed.
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Bagua Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:12pm |
re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm gonna guess he meant that as a joke.
Deepak said he's sorry, so it shouldn't be held against him.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:28pm |
re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist
Correction, I'm gonna hope he meant that a joke.
The US & Mexico should send him a bill. We will then find out if it was a joke.
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HelloDare Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:28pm |
re: #480 SanFranciscoZionist
Why is the world so full of strange people?
It's not full. But with a total population of 6,692,030,277 and counting, there are sure a lot of them.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:29pm |
re: #388 Ferris
These kind of questions are best handled in private via email, if you don't get satisfactory answers then you can post the "damning" email transcripts...
Attempting to beard Charles in public is not going to end well, he isn't going to stand for much of it, and there is no reason why he should.
Oops thats right sorry, your too blinded by self-righteous indignation to have any common sense or tact, that seems to always be the case...sigh. :(
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:55pm |
re: #456 JustWonderful
I see John McCain has his hand up.
"I was a maverick before I wasn't a maverick and now I 'm not a maverick maverick"
Apolgies to James Garner
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:23:57pm |
re: #481 lostlakehiker
Quite unknowable. In the long march of history, the health care "reform" will eventually be seen as a big mistake, a budget buster in a time when the U.S. could no longer afford ever more generous entitlement programs.
And I'm thinking guaranteed issue is going to free a lot of would-be entrepreneurs from stifling corporate jobs they feel trapped at because a spouse has diabetes, or an offspring has asthma. I know a lot of people who've dreamed for years of starting their own company, capable people with a strong idea and decent financing, who now they can do it.
No way of knowing if my circle of acquaintances is a representative sample of the population, but if they are we're in for a small business explosion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:24:52pm |
re: #494 HelloDare
It's not full. But with a total population of 6,692,030,277 and counting, there are sure a lot of them.
Friend of mine likes to say--'it doesn't take all kinds. We just have all kinds.'
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:25:21pm |
re: #496 BruceKelly
"I was a maverick before I wasn't a maverick and now I 'm not a maverick maverick"
Apolgies to James Garner
"The best way to defeat a Space Wolf is to wolf his wolf. You must be careful, though, because if the Space Wolf wolfs your wolf first, then your wolf is wolfed." -Attributed to Wolf Rider Volk Wolfclaw, On the weaknesses of the Space Wolf doctrine.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:26:56pm |
rollin... rollin... rollin...
keep those hills a movin'...
/just had back to back 4.4 and 4.5, about 1 second apart...
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lostlakehiker Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:28:27pm |
re: #400 samuraishake
Being blind to racial differences IS racism. Not overt, hateful racism, but racism nonetheless. When people claim to want to live in a "colorblind" society where race doesn't matter, then everyone would essentially have to be the same. Cultural niches would cease to exist (hip hop culture, cinco de mayo, etc), because the majority does not participate or enjoy these things.
In short, if you want to live in a color-blind society, then some cultural norm has to be established. Inevitably, this norm will be set by the majority culture, thus phasing out the minority cultures. Hence, racism.
Nonsense. What is sought is not a color-blind society, but a society in which the State is blind to race, as since Roman days, Justice was held the scales and a sword but was blindfolded. Everyone knows that people are different. The point is that those differences should not come into play when deciding matters of guilt or innocence, liability or non-responsibility.
Neither should they come into play when the State decides who is selected for advancement in their career. Let New Haven write its test as fairly as it can, for the State should not try to tip the scales by sly nuance of questions. And then, when a meticulously fair test is administered, let the chips fall where they may.
Meantime, we can delight in our soul food, our Cinco de Maya, and all the rich cultural tapestry that many threads weave. We can and we will intermarry, and the differences over time will fade further, as they have already faded a lot. Our culture will homogenize a little, but that's OK: the wide wold will still be wide, and the U.S. will still be the apex of diversity and tolerance, the society that manages to harmonize better than most the many instruments that make up the orchestra. For all the griping, we really do a fine job of it now and it can only improve.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:29:01pm |
re: #475 chineena
So Charles won the internet Limbo contest?
If not WTF are you talking about? Providing a clue as to your topic is always sorta helpful for those poor unfortunate posters who are unable to read minds.
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Vambo Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:29:43pm |
hahahaha! Take a look at some of the 2010 Tea Party photos... they dress the same!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:30:34pm |
Later lizards....it's been fun.
Time to count sheep.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:31:36pm |
re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist
Friend of mine likes to say--'it doesn't take all kinds. We just have all kinds.'
I'm stealing that one.
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shill Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:31:48pm |
There is a logical tension between 470 and 478, isn't there?
I'm not consistent either, but no one likes that sort of thing. We can criticize eachother in a civil way and everyone profits.
This isn't the Tea Party (those pictures of racist democrats).
The Tea Party is less black than the general population, true. Not much. A few percent. I see a lot of people who are not white at the several Tea Party protests I've attended. They are nowhere near as hateful or angry or *partisan* as the political protests I have attended throughout the years (war protests in particular, but many others).
What stuns me is that there are a lot of democrats at Tea Parties. Well, that doesn't really stun me... lots of democrats in my state love fiscal conservatism. But so many people who do not attend Tea Parties think it's just republicans and white men. That's absurd.
Please don't buy the spin from either side. April 15th is a day for every democrat and republican and independent to make their own sign and go to their nearest Tea Party. Make yours about Bush's reckless spending, and point out that Democrat voters want to balance the budget, too. By all means.
It's a huge movement, and I think this kind of attack: 'here! look at some bigots from 1950! They are protesting about something completely unlike what the 'Taxed Enough Already' movement is, but everyone hates racists' doesn't help anyone. It's not reasonable or fair. It's so easy to ignore people because you accuse them of racism, but if they aren't racism, you are doing a massive harm to the cause of equality. You're cheapening a serious and powerful axiom.
I've seen racists at Tea Parties. They are condemned loudly. I hope you show up at my Tea Party, wave your liberalism (if you are liberal... that's not for me to say), and join me in telling the 1 out of 1000 that are racists to go to hell. Tell the few idiots speaking about violence (more common than racists) to grow up and honor our democracy.
But don't just diss the whole movement, which I think is very diverse in the ways that matter, and racially (I do not think this is a reasonable way to classify people, and I don't think it matters). Someone above mentioned that the Tea party bashed Bush. It still does, folks. Why cede the message? You know the current government is also spending way too much to sustain.
We can all agree on this, and disagree on other things once we get some basic spending reform. We can quibble about all the excesses of various partisan factions, or we can save our country's financial future together.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:32:06pm |
OH. PASTA.
Passover has ended at SFZ's house. And it is full of chametz, and very good.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:32:50pm |
Looks like the first attack comes from one of the dumbest wingnut bloggers, Internet tough guy Dan Riehl.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:33:44pm |
re: #506 shill
When last seen at LGF, you were defending Rush Limbaugh and calling Michelle Obama a Birther.
Of course you'd be defending the tea parties.
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Vambo Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:38:10pm |
the shill's username is shill????
so sad when people just stop trying.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:38:18pm |
ron paul's influence in the GOP needs to be flushed down the toilet. who can pull the chain? mitt romney may be the only adult in the whole crowd with the stature to try it.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:41:54pm |
re: #512 _RememberTonyC
ron paul's influence in the GOP needs to be flushed down the toilet. who can pull the chain? mitt romney may be the only adult in the whole crowd with the stature to try it.
Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:41:59pm |
re: #506 shill
Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the speakers at the convention.
Ignore the signs.
Ignore the racism.
Ignore the stupidity.
Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the hyperbole.
Ignore all of it.
Repeat to self: 'this is really, really, all about a balanced budget'.
Nah, I can't pull it off.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:42:57pm |
re: #513 BruceKelly
Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.
Is it possible, though, that the RR will split to someone like Palin, who has less broad support, and allow Romney to take the primaries?
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:44:14pm |
re: #513 BruceKelly
Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.
sad but true. maybe enough others around the country will help him get the GOP nomination in spite of that. and then in the general election the voters can choose romney or the incumbent.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:44:50pm |
re: #506 shill
Uhh...sure, your all as pure as the driven snow, in favor of secular government, and as sane as Socrates. It is just tragic circumstances that allows the nutcases with their weird fear-mongering and race-baiting signs to show up during your events. They obviously have nothing to do with the Tea Parties, why we are simply foolish to think so I am sure...
Go sell it to the freepers and others with I.Q.s below 100, no one is going to swallow that bilge here.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:44:54pm |
re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist
Is it possible, though, that the RR will split to someone like Palin, who has less broad support, and allow Romney to take the primaries?
It's possible. Glenn Beck is a Mormon and seems to have good support among the RR.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:45:50pm |
re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist
Wow, a little chametz in ya and you're all feisty!
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Shill Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:46:14pm |
re: #509 Charles
When last seen at LGF, you were defending Rush Limbaugh and calling Michelle Obama a Birther.
Of course you'd be defending the tea parties.
That is simply dishonest. I was saying that Rush Limbaugh accurately quoted Michelle Obama's comment, to the effect that Obama's home country is Kenya.
And she did say that. You agreed, I believe. I think anyone on the right saying "Obama's home country is Kenya" would be rightfully laughed at, and I repeatedly noted Obama was born in Hawaii. I never said Michelle is a birther, I said her comments are either a symptom of very poor speaking skills (as evidenced by other comments of hers), or they are outrageously attempting to foment a really ugly attack on Obama because that attack backfires (and helps Obama). And of course, the former is the likely explanation.
But I didn't say she's a birther. That's as realistic as claiming the Tea Party leadership is mostly racist.
I had an argument. I've been personally attacked in an irrelevant and dishonest way. No big deal, but I still encourage liberals and democrats who are bothered by the Tea party to show up on April 15th and see for yourselves that we are good folks. Hell, bring a sign about civil rights or equality of races. People will cheer you.
I'm sorry Charles doesn't want to discuss this with me, but that's his right. You can discuss it with Tea Partiers in person, (readers). There are a few jerks, and because there is no organization to the Tea Party, it's easy for kooks to pretend to be leaders (and those are the guys you will see discussed by those who want to tarnish the movement, naturally, since they are outrageous and interesting).
Let's all agree that the current government is spending too much money, and that it's hardly a partisan issue. Both parties are responsible for this problem. It has nothing to do with race. Anyone who thinks the Tea Party wouldn't exist if Obama were white, or that Obamacare wouldn't be massively opposed if he were white, was not paying attention in the 1980s or 1990s. And they aren't attending Tea Parties.
Go in person and judge for yourself. Counter protest, if you want.
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:47:02pm |
re: #513 BruceKelly
Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.
Can you imagine the "push polling" that will be going on in the Bible Belt? *shudder*
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:48:41pm |
re: #520 Shill
But I didn't say she's a birther.
Now you're just lying outright. Here's your comment:
So there's that defense... she made a birther claim, though. Anyone saying Obama's home country is Kenya is a birther idiot.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:49:34pm |
re: #513 BruceKelly
Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.
Palin will be the straw that breaks my conservative back.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:49:42pm |
re: #513 BruceKelly
Don't get your hopes up on Romney. Many on the Christian right consider Mormonism a cult and will not vote for him.
My problem with Romney is that his declared positions on all the most contentious, deeply felt issues are... entirely dependent on who he's speaking to at the moment. Mostly they're the exact opposite of what he said they were the last time he ran for something.
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Shill Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:49:51pm |
re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist
Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the speakers at the convention.
Ignore the signs.
Ignore the racism.
Ignore the stupidity.
Ignore the leadership.
Ignore the hyperbole.
Ignore all of it.Repeat to self: 'this is really, really, all about a balanced budget'.
Nah, I can't pull it off.
I'm sorry you can't. But you shouldn't cherry pick. I could easily point out democrat racists a lot, and tell those who let me know that isn't representative of the democrats that they are demanding I ignore it.
Why ignore it? The Tea Party isn't ignoring it when they condemn the kooks. The speaker at the convention (Farah?) was condemned by other speakers at the convention. I don't think there is such a thing as a tea party leader, only kooks pretending to be because that's easier than admitting they are Ron Paul supporters or Birchers or whatever.
We agree these types are losers and disagree on whether to ignore them, but who cares if you think this is about a balanced budget? I am protesting about a balanced budget. Frankly, millions are. You can too. Let's do that together, since I bet we agree on that. We also agree that racists suck, so let's say that together too. Why have a fight when we agree? Because of political parties?
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bratwurst Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51:07pm |
re: #525 Shill
I could easily point out democrat racists
Wow, that would be, like, a FIRST for this thread!
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51:07pm |
re: #520 Shill
and because there is no organization to the Tea Party, it's easy for kooks to pretend to be leaders (and those are the guys you will see discussed by those who want to tarnish the movement, naturally, since they are outrageous and interesting
.
this sounds vaguely like the radicals of the RoP and its "leaders."
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51:14pm |
I will say this about those 1950's bigots;
Their signs are very well done!
Letters nicely spaced. No misspelled words.
Good use of fonts to achieve emphasis.
Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:53:09pm |
re: #524 sagehen
My problem with Romney is that his declared positions on all the most contentious, deeply felt issues are... entirely dependent on who he's speaking to at the moment. Mostly they're the exact opposite of what he said they were the last time he ran for something.
I agree, but right now he does seem like the only adult in the room.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:53:55pm |
re: #528 swamprat
I will say this about those 1950's bigots;
Their signs are very well done!
Letters nicely spaced. No misspelled words.
Good use of fonts to achieve emphasis.
Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.
and those old big ass microphones are still very cool.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:54:34pm |
re: #518 BruceKelly
It's possible. Glenn Beck is a Mormon and seems to have good support among the RR.
Beck's not running against anyone, though. Primaries are brutal. I remember Huckabee's little poisonous line about 'don't they believe Satan is Jesus' brother?...'
Opponents in the primary will bring it out.
I don't get it, myself. From a Jewish perspective, Mormons seem like evangelical Christians, with extra prophets and very clean living.
I realize that the world looks noticeably different if you are, say, not me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:54:58pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:55:07pm |
re: #525 Shill
The speaker at the convention (Farah?) was condemned by other speakers at the convention.
That's bullshit. Joseph Farah got a standing ovation for his insane speech. A very few people at that tea party convention spoke out against Farah, but only when it was obvious that his speech was incredibly damaging, and they needed to put up a front of disapproval.
They hired this guy as the speaker knowing full well that he was going to say exactly what he said. Nobody could possibly have been surprised.
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Shill Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:55:12pm |
re: #522 Charles
Cut and paste out of context, but yeah, you got me. I did say that comment is birther idiocy.
I also said it is more likely explained by her typical sloppy language (with the example where she said she wasn't proud to be an American). Michelle made an idiotic comment, saying Obama was born in Kenya. You know well that if Sarah Palin had said that, you'd call her a birther (and an idiot). But Michelle made this birther idiot claim without being a birther, and I don't think I'm lying or even straining to make this simple point.
I realize you will ban me. I do my best to be respectful, but I understand this is your blog and you don't like Tea Partiers like me very much. It's your right to do it. I wish you could get along with the conservatives and liberals who simply don't agree with your characterizations. It's particularly interesting to look at what exactly is wrong with racism. With making grandiose and hostile stereotype generalizations about 'others'.
The Tea Party is not all like what you notice a few of the worst are like. Nor are Muslims or blacks or Democrats or whatever. That kind of constant attack just doesn't help us get anywhere.
We're at a crossroads in history, and we can agree to get our government sustainable, or we can just yell at eachother.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:55:17pm |
re: #529 BruceKelly
I agree, but right now he does seem like the only adult in the room.
precisely! anyone going against Obama needs "gravitas," and he has it. now he needs to make his presence felt in a positive, uplifting way.
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swamprat Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:56:41pm |
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Shill Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:57:49pm |
re: #533 Charles
That's bullshit. Joseph Farah got a standing ovation for his insane speech. A very few people at that tea party convention spoke out against Farah, but only when it was obvious that his speech was incredibly damaging, and they needed to put up a front of disapproval.
They hired this guy as the speaker knowing full well that he was going to say exactly what he said. Nobody could possibly have been surprised.
If you actually look at what you said, you acknowledge that what I said was accurate, that he was criticized by other speakers. I have no idea if he got a standing ovation. I wouldn't listen to him speak, so those who would self select for crazies.
It's not really relevant. you admit that Tea Party speakers condemned him, as I said. I choose this latter block as the good ones. Join us on April 15th, and be a Tea Partier, Charles. I am sincerely not trolling you. You can easily speak out in favor of the aspects that are good, and oppose the insane jerks. Why not?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:58:13pm |
re: #525 Shill
I'm sorry you can't. But you shouldn't cherry pick. I could easily point out democrat racists a lot, and tell those who let me know that isn't representative of the democrats that they are demanding I ignore it.
Why ignore it? The Tea Party isn't ignoring it when they condemn the kooks. The speaker at the convention (Farah?) was condemned by other speakers at the convention. I don't think there is such a thing as a tea party leader, only kooks pretending to be because that's easier than admitting they are Ron Paul supporters or Birchers or whatever.
We agree these types are losers and disagree on whether to ignore them, but who cares if you think this is about a balanced budget? I am protesting about a balanced budget. Frankly, millions are. You can too. Let's do that together, since I bet we agree on that. We also agree that racists suck, so let's say that together too. Why have a fight when we agree? Because of political parties?
I think you're full of shit, so I wouldn't say we 'agree'. I don't agree that this is a grassroots fiscal responsibility movement in the slightest.
Therefore, I do not plan to show up for any of its events. It does not speak to me in any way.
By all means, have fun.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:58:51pm |
re: #534 Shill
... Michelle made an idiotic comment, saying Obama was born in Kenya. ...
Michelle Obama labeled Kenya her husbands "home".
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erraticsphinx Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:59:31pm |
re: #539 freetoken
Shhhh, don't use facts with this one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:59:42pm |
re: #526 bratwurst
Wow, that would be, like, a FIRST for this thread!
And I would either
a. denounce them
or b. disagree that they were racists
or c. point out that they're older than God and/or dead
or some combination of those points,
I don't know why people think Dems shrivel up and melt if you point out that there are racist Democrats.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:00:05pm |
re: #537 Shill
Join us on April 15th, and be a Tea Partier, Charles.
I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:00:28pm |
Hope DF built us a big pit for the grill, as we got's lots of roasting to do.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:00:37pm |
re: #497 sagehen
And I'm thinking guaranteed issue is going to free a lot of would-be entrepreneurs from stifling corporate jobs they feel trapped at because a spouse has diabetes, or an offspring has asthma. I know a lot of people who've dreamed for years of starting their own company, capable people with a strong idea and decent financing, who now they can do it.
No way of knowing if my circle of acquaintances is a representative sample of the population, but if they are we're in for a small business explosion.
The snag is that the companies that are bound by law to issue policies to anyone, however ill with a preexisting condition, will be unable to attract healthy customers. Their rates will have to be high enough to cover claims from a lopsidedly sick pool, so halfway healthy people will take a pass on the deal. Then, rates will have to rise still higher to cover losses on a mostly sick pool. The government will forbid the shocking percentage premium increases, and the company will fail. Big outgo, smaller intake means failure.
The whole concept of insurance fails when you can wait until your house is burning to buy the fire insurance. This law sets in motion a death spiral for all health insurance companies.
Whether HMO's will fail too is not clear; many have closely defined pools of people they deal with, and I'm not sure if the law mandates that HMO's take all comers. But if it does, HMO's too will go under.
As the wheels come off, the companies will be pilloried for raising rates and for greed, even as one after the other goes under and the rest report staggering losses. Fingers will be pointing everywhere but at the cause---a law that wasn't thought through.
What we should have done is pass laws allowing people to maintain their insurance even if they switched employers or became unemployed. Portability would have done the trick. No need to break everything in a vain attempt to fix everything all at once.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:01:27pm |
re: #528 swamprat
I will say this about those 1950's bigots;
Their signs are very well done!
Letters nicely spaced. No misspelled words.
Good use of fonts to achieve emphasis.
Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.
It's true. Alas.
I think they used to teach lettering formally in schools, as part of penmanship.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:01:49pm |
re: #543 Charles
I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.
join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger .... more fun than drinking tea.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:02:47pm |
re: #528 swamprat
Bigots, nowadays, are comparatively illiterate and sloppy.
Ever since the damn commies took over the public schools the bigots just haven't been able to get a good education!
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:02:50pm |
re: #547 _RememberTonyC
join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger ... more fun than drinking tea.
Jaegerbagger...... I like it
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:03:12pm |
it's getting late here in CT ... have a good night y'all ...
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:04:00pm |
re: #550 _RememberTonyC
it's getting late here in CT ... have a good night y'all ...
Indeed it is. I'm out.
Night!
:)
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:04:13pm |
re: #547 _RememberTonyC
join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger ... more fun than drinking tea.
I'll be in SF taking pictures of an anti-Israel rally somewhere. Then later, probably scotch over rocks. I'll need a drink after.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:06:19pm |
re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist
Beck's not running against anyone, though. Primaries are brutal. I remember Huckabee's little poisonous line about 'don't they believe Satan is Jesus' brother?...'
Opponents in the primary will bring it out.
I don't get it, myself. From a Jewish perspective, Mormons seem like evangelical Christians, with extra prophets and very clean living.
I realize that the world looks noticeably different if you are, say, not me.
I don't know much about the Church of LDS (everything I know I learned from South Park). I do know quite a few Mormons and they are all very good people.
There's something in the book of Revelations (New Testament) about adding to or taking away from the gospel that makes Mormonism unacceptable to Evangelicals.
No more books or prophets are allowed.
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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:08:14pm |
re: #112 swamprat
By the way;
Race mixing is communism was strongly implied or said in a book written by J. Edgar Hoover.
I read the book,but I don't remember the name of it. I don't know what party he was in, but he was nuts.
Oh, as far as I know, J. Edgar Hoover liked to organize his own private parties.
/
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Gus Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:08:51pm |
"Race mixing is communism." A favorite phrase of the re-embraced John Birch Society of the 1950s and 1960s who have come back in vogue with many conservatives and an active sponsor of CPAC.
Looked up for more photos and this specific photo is from July 1959. The events involve the Little Rock Integration crisis or the Little Rock Nine.
And one more collection.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:11:43pm |
re: #543 Charles
I'd rather shove red hot knitting needles into my eyes.
Reminds me of the old net surfing maxim, "be careful what you click on because no matter how hard you try, it's impossible to unsee something."
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:12:58pm |
re: #547 _RememberTonyC
join me on apr 15th as i blow my tax return on shots of jaeger ... more fun than drinking tea.
I'm there
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:13:53pm |
re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist
Beck's not running against anyone, though. Primaries are brutal. I remember Huckabee's little poisonous line about 'don't they believe Satan is Jesus' brother?...'
Opponents in the primary will bring it out.
I don't get it, myself. From a Jewish perspective, Mormons seem like evangelical Christians, with extra prophets and very clean living.
I realize that the world looks noticeably different if you are, say, not me.
Don't forget that the Mormons started out as a polygamous heretical cult that was driven out of two different states for actively trying very hard to take over the local governments and failing before finally settling in Salt Lake city. Think scientology only much more politically active along with flaunting the law about having multiple and underage wives.
They were definately never seen or considered to be "real" Christians by any of the other sects until very recently, after they had renounced polygamy and some of their other more controversial practices.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:15:02pm |
re: #556 BruceKelly
Reminds me of the old net surfing maxim, "be careful what you click on because no matter how hard you try, it's impossible to unsee something."
Indeed. Years ago, quite innocent and all that, I clicked on a link titled "Tube Girl." I was affected for a few days after that. Seriously, but I won't go into detail. Suffice to say, those who know of what I speak, know how disturbing that picture is.
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Gus Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:19:34pm |
re: #548 freetoken
Ever since the damn commies took over the public schools the bigots just haven't been able to get a good education!
That reminds me of something. That being public schools. These protests stemmed from the Brown v. Board of Education decision (a unanimous decision).
They also have a map showing which states were affected most by this decision. It sort of ties in with Governor McDonnell's recent decree declaring April "Confederate History Month" in the State of Virginia.
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BruceKelly Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:19:56pm |
re: #559 eclectic infidel
Indeed. Years ago, quite innocent and all that, I clicked on a link titled "Tube Girl." I was affected for a few days after that. Seriously, but I won't go into detail. Suffice to say, those who know of what I speak, know how disturbing that picture is.
Ha! No tube girl, but I've had my share of "I wish I hadn't seen that!" clicks.
nite all
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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:23:40pm |
re: #155 NJDhockeyfan
You sire, have won the tu quoque price of the day, by actually using that logical fallacy several times in one thread.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:27:34pm |
re: #560 Gus 802
It is not mere coincidence that we have seen a radical increase in rhetoric warning us of "communism", the lament against public education, and the re-emergence of the Confederacy supporters simultaneously with the election of the first black President.
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Gus Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:31:27pm |
re: #563 freetoken
It is not mere coincidence that we have seen a radical increase in rhetoric warning us of "communism", the lament against public education, and the re-emergence of the Confederacy supporters simultaneously with the election of the first black President.
I finally understand why in 2008 when someone mentioned that in the context of history and Barrack Obama that the cat calls of Communism and socialism upon Obama was a dog whistle.
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Cheechako Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:43:14pm |
How will President Obama look after 8 years in office? He will look just like many other former Presidents with a full head of gray hair.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:55:09pm |
re: #563 freetoken
It is not mere coincidence that we have seen a radical increase in rhetoric warning us of "communism", the lament against public education, and the re-emergence of the Confederacy supporters simultaneously with the election of the first black President.
Cause this hole goshdanged country is flat out goin to hell I tells you! Ya got yer socillists and comunists runnin around everywheres, then all these ferrin people drivin taxis, runnin stores, and hotels and the like. You can't even spit anymore without a hittin one of them ferrin people, theys thicker than fleas on a coon dog.
Most likely alot of them be terrorists to! Come over here to this great country just to rape our woman and take away our guns! Not that we ain't got problem enuff already what with all the uppity black fellas thinkin that they are just as good as a white boy. Back in my pappys day they knew how to handle that kind of disrespectful darkie but nowadays it seems people just ain't got the stomach to do a proper lynchin no more.
I just dont know whats a gonna happen to this country no more, seems like everthin just plain been turned upside down....
/Sigh...you can still find people just like that in Dixie and Levi county here in the "great" state of Florida, I have met them myself, fairly often.
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Gus Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:56:39pm |
Repost with updates.
Evans, Medford S. Forced Integration is Communism in Action. Jackson, Miss.: The Citizens' Council, 1962. (McCain Library Mississippiana E185.61 .E93 1962)
Medford Evans - Civil rights myths and Communist realities by Medford Evans Conservative Society of America, 1965
Medford Evans was a member of the John Birch Society and still referenced at the JBS site. It's important to note that the JBS has made its return with their appearance at CPAC.
Update.
M. Stanton Evans is a contributing editor at Human Events. As author of "Blacklisted by History" he is also the leading figure in the revisionism of Joe McCarthy which even managed to work its way into the recent Texas board of education standards:
Defending McCarthy: Back when McLeroy was chairman of the SBOE, he sent a list of hand-scrawled editing instructions to the board-appointed curriculum writing committee, made up mostly of educators (the exception was McLeroy’s appointee, contrarian conservative gadfly Bill Ames). It included a note on this standard that kicked off a storm of controversy. It read: “Read the latest on McCarthy — he was basically vindicated.”...McLeroy said he got his ideas from a book by M. Staton Evans, a conservative writer, entitled Blacklisted by History. (From The Revision Thing)
SBOE TAC:
(B)
describe how McCarthyism, the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), the arms race, and the space race increased Cold War tensions and how the later release of the Venona Papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government ;
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Charles Paru Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:03:02am |
Not that this means anything, but last week Doonesbury showed former hippie "Zonker" saying the Tea Party movement reminded him of the Yippies in the 1960s...
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:05:47am |
Racism has generally reared its ugly head following major civil rights advances in America. This happened after the post-civil war reconstruction period; after the Brown v Board of Education and the voter registration movements in the 1950s and 60s; and now after the election of blacks to high political offices throughout America.
The resurgence of the JBS is a recent manifestation of this typically American racist reactionary phenomenon. Hopefully, as in the past, the bigots will be beaten back and will slink back under their various rocks where they belong.
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Escaped Hillbilly Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:09:34am |
re: #566 ausador
and California, and Illinois, and Missouri, and New York...
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:26:59am |
re: #570 Spare O'Lake
Then again some of it is just there all the time regardless of politics.
I remember back around 1981 driving with a "good ole boy" from Zephyrhills in the work truck to a job site in Tampa. The route took us past one the larger housing projects in town and he seemed shocked by it. Finally he turned to me and said "Damn boss, you couldn't carry enough ammo in this whole truck to shoot all these n****rs!" I about had a heart attack because the truck had no a/c and the windows were down and we were sitting at a light stopped next to a car load of young blacks who also had their windows down when he blurted it out very loudly and not in the least concerned.
After we got moving again I told him very clearly why I never wanted to hear anything remotely like that from him again or the N word either. He seemed put out that I wasn't "sticking up for my race" but after that I never had any more of that kind of trouble with him.
Still you have to wonder, what in the world would even lead someone to wonder if they could carry enough ammunition in a flatbed dump to kill an entire housing project full of people? What in the hell leads to that kind of thought?
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Gus Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:33:54am |
Mississippi Department of Archives & History
April 20, 1960
SUBJECT: The John Birch Society
...As Mr. Bill Simmons, Administrator of the Citizens' Council, Jakson Mississippi, was in my office on the morning of April 20, 1960...Mr. Simmons stated that Medford Evans professor at the Northwest Lousiana College, Natchitoches, Louisiana, but was fired because of his anti-integration policies. Medford Evans is now associated with the John Birch Society. According to Bill Simons, Medford Evans is a fine fellow. With reference to the question of segregation, Mr. Sommons said that the John Birch Society took no stand with reference to this question, as did a lot of other norther organization[s]. However, they are strong for States' Rights.
More on the Citizens' Councils here:
Though the Citizens’ Council began in Jackson, Mississippi shortly after the creation of the State Sovereignty Commission in 1956, its rhetoric, which encouraged whites to take back America, spread to other states and chapters were established nationwide. For an example of the philosophy of the Citizens’ Council see the flyers published to encourage membership (in the early 1950s) and the advertisement published in Atlantic City during the Democratic Convention in 1964. (#85, #152) The councils held forums and conferences across the nation and published a nationally circulated newspaper.
In 1961, William Higgs, a white Mississippi attorney, filed suit on behalf of himself, R.L.T. Smith, and all black citizens and taxpayers of the state against the Citizens’ Council and Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission for their unconstitutional and illegal use of state funds. The suit also stated that the “Citizens’ Council and Citizens’ Council Forum are organized solely for the purpose of advocating and actively assisting in resistance and violation of the 14th Amendment -- as they [blacks] secure equal treatment and facilities.” In 1968, the Citizens’ Council rebuilt its headquarters in Jackson, MS. As many southern states succumbed to federal mandatory school desegregation measures in the late 60s and early 70s, the Citizens’ Council established private council schools for white children, to prevent them from having to attend school with black children.
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Gus Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:44:35am |
Shedding Light On Dr. Aptheker
Medford Evans
Jackson Daily News, February 5, 1969
Excerpt:
Communists promote integration in Mississippi because Mississippians don't want it...
Closing excerpt:
...Among other reason why Herbert Aptheker is now so influential, not just on the Communist Party, but on the whole US public education, is the fact that he is the leading authority, from the Communist point of view, on the the history of the Negro in America - and through revision of all American history text to give the Negro a more important place is one of the top-priority project in the textbook industry today.
The appearance of Herbert Aptheker at Tougaloo indicates that Mississippi is ripe for new seismic disturbances out of which a few handpicked Negroes may hope to profit, but for which the world Communist movement is responsible, and from which the vast majority of all Mississippians will suffer.
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Gus Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:55:37am |
Newspaper Advertisement, Citizens' Council, 1964
This newspaper advertisement represented the philosophy of the Citizens' Councils, an organization that resulted from the efforts of the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission to defend segregation and white political, economic, and social supremacy. Although begun by the state of Mississippi, ordinary white citizens used the Citizens' Councils to voice anti-integration and anti-equality sentiments. The Citizens’ Councils began in Jackson, Mississippi in 1956, but its rhetoric, which encouraged whites to take back America, spread to other states and chapters were established nationwide. This advertisement appeared during the 1964 Democratic Convention in which the Mississippi Freedom Democratic party attempted to become the Mississippi delegates. The ad invoked Thomas Jefferson in support of the group's segregationist views.
The advertisement uses a quote by Thomas Jefferson dated February 8, 1821:
Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up.
The full quote reads:
“The bill on the subject of slaves was a mere digest of the existing laws respecting them, without any intimation of a plan for a future & general emancipation. It was thought better that this should be kept back, and attempted only by way of amendment whenever the bill should be brought on. The principles of the amendment however were agreed on, that is to say, the freedom of all born after a certain day, and deportation at a proper age. But it was found that the public mind would not yet bear the proposition, nor will it bear it even at this day. Yet the day is not distant when it must bear and adopt it, or worse will follow. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu [equal footing] filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up. We should in vain look for an example in the Spanish deportation or deletion of the Moors. This precedent would fall far short of our case.”
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NC Gray Wed, Apr 7, 2010 3:22:35am |
Lets see I disagree with government ownership of Banks (under GWBush or Obama) government ownership of car manufactures. I don't think that the government can provide health care insurance to all and distribute the care evenly. I don't want my children saddled with a future expected tax rate exceeding 70%. And all of this makes me a racist?
That is called race baiting, and it is disgusting. Argue on the merritts.
I don't care who is president, white black or Klingon, if they seek to inspire personal responsibility, low taxes and if they recognize that the private sector is the only source for meaningful job creation then I support them.
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stayfrosty Wed, Apr 7, 2010 3:24:31am |
You gotta be kidding me, Charles. While the right-wing fringe goes off one deep end, you're heading towards the other one with this nonsense.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 7, 2010 3:35:44am |
re: #6 darthstar
The only people complaining about Bush's wasteful spending were liberals, not Tea Partiers.
Find me one voice on the right that said "Deficits matter" between 2001 and 2009 and I'll retract. Ron Paul doesn't count.
Dead thread but I still keep seeing this argument and it's so out of touch with reality it's starting to hurt my feelings. The republicans lost their majority because of their out-of-control spending habits and the dems are going to be the next party to take it on the chin. I can post a thousand links to show all the uproar over the massive rate of increase of discretionary spending from the libertarian/conservative side of the aisle during the bush admin. Everything from the farm bills, the transportation bills, medicare, and education spending was roundly criticized by large numbers of conservative/libertarians for the entire 8 years and it started biting republicans in the ass in 2006.
I've been saying this since before the VA, NJ, and MA elections and I'm going to continue to say it until it sinks in. This election cycle is about spending. It's not about race, abortion, the religious right, gun rights, gay marriage, the environment, or any other of the dozen side issues.....gov't spending and the economy have been the overriding issues since 2006 and until the political class gets that in their head they're going to continue to get tossed out.
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dr. luba Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:20:11am |
re: #117 sagehen
That a bit of revisionist history.
The first tea party of this movement was April 15, 2009. On tax day, after Obama's inauguration. Fox (especially Beck) was heavily involved in promoting and publicizing it for more than a month before it even happened.
They blamed Obama for the AIG and bank bailouts (which happened before the election), the TARP (part before the election, the rest between the election and inauguration), and the stimulus (okay, that one *was* after he took office -- but half of it was middle-class tax cuts, and half the rest was bailing out states so they wouldn't have to lay off cops and teachers). They also claimed as "a huge increase in deficits" that he moved Iraq war funding from off-budget specials to on-budget.
True. There was little complaining about deficits from the right until the Dems and that scary Obama took over. Tax cuts for the rich? OK. Foreign wars? Fine. Because IOKIYAR.
And, according to Wikipedia:
"The Tea Party movement is a populist United States protest movement that promotes fiscal conservatism. The movement emerged in early 2009, partially in response to the 2009 stimulus package as well as the 2008 bailouts. It has been most visible through a series of Tea Party protests, which began in early 2009. Protesters have utilized the social networking outlets Facebook, Twitter and MySpace as well as blogs and conservative media outlets in promoting Tea Party events."
The movement definitely began after the Inauguration. And, although racism may not have been an inherent part of the Tea Party movement initially, it seems to have become so.
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haakondahl Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:26:43am |
re: #55 Soap_Man
OT: So, my parents are moving and I had to help clean out the basement of the home I grew up in. Anyway, one of the things I found was the VHS of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Original, as in before George Lucas f'ed it up with that "special edition" shit.
So I'm going to watch this now. Goodnight all.
Score!
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haakondahl Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:31:06am |
re: #578 RogueOne
Dead thread but I still keep seeing this argument and it's so out of touch with reality it's starting to hurt my feelings. The republicans lost their majority because of their out-of-control spending habits and the dems are going to be the next party to take it on the chin. I can post a thousand links to show all the uproar over the massive rate of increase of discretionary spending from the libertarian/conservative side of the aisle during the bush admin. Everything from the farm bills, the transportation bills, medicare, and education spending was roundly criticized by large numbers of conservative/libertarians for the entire 8 years and it started biting republicans in the ass in 2006.
I've been saying this since before the VA, NJ, and MA elections and I'm going to continue to say it until it sinks in. This election cycle is about spending. It's not about race, abortion, the religious right, gun rights, gay marriage, the environment, or any other of the dozen side issues...gov't spending and the economy have been the overriding issues since 2006 and until the political class gets that in their head they're going to continue to get tossed out.
Well, you would be right, except for the fact that the MSM & their government friends know this as well, and have been doing an awesome "crop" job on what Americans are actually angry about.
You may safely expect the majority of this year's election time coverage to look as though Michael Moore commissioned it.
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dr. luba Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:52:55am |
re: #458 swamprat
When you look at the Republican percentages, it really puts things in perspective.
Yes. It shows that the Republican party is not the party it used to be. It was once the party of Lincoln. It has become the party of Stom Thurmond.
What do you think happened to all those southern Democrats who opposed Civil Rights legislation? Have you heard of the Southern Strategy? And to you wonder why the south is now solidly Republican?
When LBJ signed the CRA, he noted that the Democrats would lose the south for a generation. He was right about the loss, but off on the timing. It has been much longer.
And good riddance. The Republicans can keep the southern racists, and go celebrate Confederate History Month together (Virginia), or learn about Jefferson Davis' inaugural speech (Texas) while ignoring Jefferson.
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dr. luba Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:54:10am |
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laZardo Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:54:13am |
When I said that conservatism didn't have any constant party affiliation, I look to pictures like these as proof. At the time I'll bet most of the people in the crowd were proud Democrats/Dixiecrats.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:55:59am |
re: #584 laZardo
When I said that conservatism didn't have any constant party affiliation, I look to pictures like these as proof. At the time I'll bet most of the people in the crowd were proud Democrats/Dixiecrats.
From my post last night...
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
FYI
I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).
This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.
And interesting story on the incident can be found at...
[Link: www.time.com...]
The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States
Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)
Conway, Arkansas, United States
Political party Democratic
Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg
Religion Southern Baptist
FYI
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 7, 2010 5:20:27am |
re: #67 prairiefire
brag off, thanks for the dings, guys
This is a very interesting thread. One for the history books as far as hashing out the future of our country.
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shreck Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:00:52am |
Can't be tea partiers, those were dyed in the wool democrats.
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im_gumby_damnit Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:18:27am |
Where can I get a pair of those bad ass, shit kickin looking shades those dudes are wearing up front? Gumby would look pretty damn intimidating in a pair of those.
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middy Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:19:14am |
re: #591 shreck
Can't be tea partiers, those were dyed in the wool democrats.
At the time they were probably Democrats. Now, most of them and their descendants are Republicans.
Hear that sound? It's Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater spinning in their graves.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:19:17am |
re: #590 taddow
so, garhighway, i'm a racist?
If you are the guy standing next to the yahoo yelling "Go back to Africa!" and doing nothing about it, then yes, you are a racist. Or a coward.
Are you that guy? You tell me.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:21:27am |
re: #593 middy
At the time they were probably Democrats. Now, most of them and their descendants are Republicans.
Hear that sound? It's Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater spinning in their graves.
As was noted here earlier, with the passage of the CRA of 1964, the Democratic Party pretty much ended their relationship with the Southern racist political establishment.
But they weren't homeless for long, were they?
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middy Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:23:48am |
re: #595 garhighway
As was noted here earlier, with the passage of the CRA of 1964, the Democratic Party pretty much ended their relationship with the Southern racist political establishment.
But they weren't homeless for long, were they?
Indeed.
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Brent Favre Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:55:11am |
So all tea party people are racist scum because some idiots are racist , ergo all muslims are terrorist because some are? I don't see how you can condemn a whole group of people because of a few idiots. Further by that logic because the ACLU fought for NAMBLA rights all ACLU members are pro pedophiles? Am i missing something? Sounds like guilt by association to me.
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bosforus Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:08:47am |
re: #1 darthstar
Well, aside from the clothing, they look like today's tea party.
This crows looks a little thinner.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:17:35am |
re: #576 NC Gray
Lets see I disagree with government ownership of Banks (under GWBush or Obama) government ownership of car manufactures. I don't think that the government can provide health care insurance to all and distribute the care evenly. I don't want my children saddled with a future expected tax rate exceeding 70%. And all of this makes me a racist?
That is called race baiting, and it is disgusting. Argue on the merritts.
I don't care who is president, white black or Klingon, if they seek to inspire personal responsibility, low taxes and if they recognize that the private sector is the only source for meaningful job creation then I support them.
My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!
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bj Wed, Apr 7, 2010 7:51:06am |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
FYI
I found the providence of this photo... actually I found two dates for this photo, but it appears that this could have been taken anytime between Aug. 12th 1959 and Aug. 24th 1959 (see explanation below).
This picture of demonstrators was taken in front of the Arkansas State Capital in Little Rock. The protestors were protesting the integration of Central High School.
And interesting story on the incident can be found at...
[Link: www.time.com...]
The demonstration was whipped up by Governor Orval Faubus, who two years earlier, had incited race riots. His bio can be found here.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Born January 7, 1910 near, Huntsville, Arkansas, United States
Died December 14, 1994 (aged 84)
Conway, Arkansas, United States
Political party Democratic
Spouse(s) Celia Alta Haskins (divorced), Elizabeth Westmoreland (divorced), Jan Hines Wittenberg
Religion Southern Baptist
FYI
What a horrible time in AR particularly. fabus was a mainstay/leader in the "good ol' boy" network of politicians that owned this state and who were proudly dixiecrats, democrats and, truth be known, probably kkk as well. There was hardly a Republican or Independent in state, city or county office (in this state) at the time of the segregation riots in Little Rock. fabus, et.al., was not only a blight on state history but on humanity as well.
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NC Gray Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:11:58am |
James Fire Cat
"My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!"
My statement was meaningful JOB CREATION. Unless your dad has the ability to bring approx 25 million unemployed folks on the the FDA pay roll then my comment stands.
As far as whether or not your dad's job is meaningful, the test for me as a tax payer is could your dad make more money in the private sector? If he could then I solute him because that is true 'public service' otherwise he is just one of the many on the government tit.
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reidr Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:20:30am |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
Bullshit. I pointed out there is racism in both parties and both should be condemned for it. If you don't like seeing examples of racism with the Democrat party, or liberals, tough shit.
Though strongly tempted, I wasn't going to downding, but then I saw "Democrat party".
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bratwurst Wed, Apr 7, 2010 8:30:55am |
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:11:13am |
re: #598 Brent Favre
Flaming strawman that was ashes before you threw it out. Charles didn't say "ALL" -- you did.
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Brent Favre Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:19:05am |
re: #607 Thanos
Why bring charles into this? I never said he said it but it is implied throughout the media, dont be obtuse. Like showing the same picture and lableing it Democrats party down south. So since you think its a flaming strawman you personally dont think they are racist right?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:31:09am |
Amazing. I post a picture with no commentary except a title, and dozens of people pop out of the woodwork screaming that I'm calling them racists.
Why are you so anxious to feel persecuted?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:32:47am |
By the way, the people in the photo above almost certainly belong to the John Birch Society -- those slogans are straight out of Bircher territory.
Where do we find the John Birch Society today? At CPAC, and organizing tea party protests.
Of course, that's all a coincidence to the wingnuts.
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Brent Favre Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:39:35am |
Appologies, i just need to stop watching the local news so much.
The caption of Tea Party, circa 1950 to me seemed like it was saying that the tea party of today was just like those idiots in the picture. I should know better than to assume as the old saying goes. Sorry, thought you were condeming all of them with the racist tag because of a few nutbags.
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bratwurst Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:02am |
re: #611 Brent Favre
Appologies, i just need to stop watching the local news so much.
The caption of Tea Party, circa 1950 to me seemed like it was saying that the tea party of today was just like those idiots in the picture. I should know better than to assume as the old saying goes. Sorry, thought you were condeming all of them with the racist tag because of a few nutbags.
See my 605.
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filetandrelease Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:24am |
Isn't that Senator Byrd, the former leader of the Democrat party, in the middle holding the flag?
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garhighway Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:41:37am |
re: #603 NC Gray
James Fire Cat
"My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!"My statement was meaningful JOB CREATION. Unless your dad has the ability to bring approx 25 million unemployed folks on the the FDA pay roll then my comment stands.
As far as whether or not your dad's job is meaningful, the test for me as a tax payer is could your dad make more money in the private sector? If he could then I solute him because that is true 'public service' otherwise he is just one of the many on the government tit.
Let me get this straight. Assume a hypothetical FDA doctor that checks to see drugs submitted for approval are going to be safe and effective. He or she does that job well, ensuring that Merck or Pfizer or whomever doesn't hit us with another Thalidomide (again, for example).
Merely doing that job well and being paid a fair wage for it is, in your mind, not enough to escape the "just one of the many on the government tit" label? You don't care whether we need the function performed well? You don't care whether the function is, in fact, performed well?
Please elaborate.
And any others in the "I hate the Feds" mode feel free to chime in. Do you hate this hypothetical FDA doctor? Would we rather we simply trust Pfizer? Please join in.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:42:25am |
re: #613 filetandrelease
Isn't that Senator Byrd, the former leader of the Democrat party, in the middle holding the flag?
You're a little late to the party with that one.
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filetandrelease Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:44:27am |
re: #616 garhighway
Sorry, too many comments to catch up, read the first few dozen.
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bratwurst Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:44:40am |
re: #616 garhighway
You're a little late to the party with that one.
Like Jell-O, there's always room for more.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:47:50am |
re: #613 filetandrelease
Isn't that Senator Byrd, the former leader of the Democrat party, in the middle holding the flag?
Just like clockwork. Robert Byrd again. Oooh, the boogeyman! Look out for Robert Byrd!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:48:53am |
re: #611 Brent Favre
Appologies, i just need to stop watching the local news so much.
The caption of Tea Party, circa 1950 to me seemed like it was saying that the tea party of today was just like those idiots in the picture. I should know better than to assume as the old saying goes. Sorry, thought you were condeming all of them with the racist tag because of a few nutbags.
Condemning "all of them?" No, I'm quite sure that every single tea party protester is not a racist.
Just a lot of them. And most of the organizers.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:52:03am |
re: #608 Brent Favre
Must have hit home there. I think you are being overly defensive. After all it's not a secret at all that many of the Tea parties in the SE are being org'ed by the Council of Conservative Citizens --- ex dixiecrats who are now Republicans.
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Brent Favre Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:56:07am |
re: #621 Thanos
Actually just registered independent living in flyover country who needs to do more research... first i need to find the time. Any suggestions for sites beside this one?
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filetandrelease Wed, Apr 7, 2010 9:57:41am |
re: #619 Charles
It is relevant. Race bigotry crossed party lines in the 1950's.
And todays tea party movement has nothing to do with race. Attempting to connect todays movement with a 1950's anti race mixing movement is disingenuous.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:01:55am |
re: #623 filetandrelease
It is relevant. Race bigotry crossed party lines in the 1950's.
And todays tea party movement has nothing to do with race. Attempting to connect todays movement with a 1950's anti race mixing movement is disingenuous.
Right. No racism at the tea parties at all. Nope. Just not there.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
All these photos must be fakes.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:03:16am |
And let's not forget this lovely image, circulated by a tea party organizer, that appeared at several of these protests:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
What racism?
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:03:18am |
re: #622 Brent Favre
Actually just registered independent living in flyover country who needs to do more research... first i need to find the time. Any suggestions for sites beside this one?
Read them all but watch for their bias -- who's paying the checks to the website? Who is advertising there? Are extremist sites like Stormfront etc. linking often? Does their outrage of the day start first in places like Alex Jones, Prison Planet, Antiwar.com, and other extremist sites?
E.G. you know that MSNBC, Daily Kos, etc. have a bias, learn the bias' of the sites on the far right as well.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:08:43am |
It's point isn't that all tea partiers are racist -- it's that they are populist and open to any extremist riding their coat tails. That's why they don't chase the Birchers, the Constitution party, the CoCC, and the rest of the extremists off. In many cases the organizers and the demonstrators come from those groups. You don't see any outrage among the tea partiers about the coat tail riders, instead you see defensiveness and obfuscations like "the left does it too".
I'm a life long Republican, these bigots and extremists don't belong in my party, and if they aren't run off soon I will be in the same position Zell Miller was a while back -- my party will have left me and I will be forced to join the other.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:13:52am |
re: #627 Thanos
It's point isn't that all tea partiers are racist -- it's that they are populist and open to any extremist riding their coat tails. That's why they don't chase the Birchers, the Constitution party, the CoCC, and the rest of the extremists off. In many cases the organizers and the demonstrators come from those groups. You don't see any outrage among the tea partiers about the coat tail riders, instead you see defensiveness and obfuscations like "the left does it too".
I'm a life long Republican, these bigots and extremists don't belong in my party, and if they aren't run off soon I will be in the same position Zell Miller was a while back -- my party will have left me and I will be forced to join the other.
Until the teabaggers chase off the racists, they get stained by their membership. When someone at their rally shouts "send him back to Africa" and everyone cheers, what more do we need to know?
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:15:09am |
re: #621 Thanos
BTW: If you want to skip to the meat of CoCC and the tea parties it's about 15 mins in.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:19:19am |
Three source documents by Confederate leaders are posted above. The centrality of slaveholding is shown in their own words.
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sarabande Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:33:08am |
The recent Quinnipiac University poll probably didn't hold too many surprises. But there were a couple of interesting things. From the poll:
* 74 percent are Republicans or independent voters leaning Republican;
* 16 percent are Democrats or independent voters leaning Democratic;
* 5 percent are solidly independent;
* 45 percent are men;
* 55 percent are women;
* 88 percent are white;
* 77 percent voted for Sen. John McCain in 2008;
* 15 percent voted for President Barack Obama.
Fifty-five percent women? So much for the angry-male.
Eight-eight percent are white. Does that mean ... twelve percent are non-white?
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]
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cgn38navy Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:33:53am |
This is bullshit. I personally know the tea party leaders in my city and they are not racist at all. I suppose you secretly agree with the notion that the black tea partiers are "uncle toms"? You lefty's are grasping at straws trying to discredit the organiziation because you can't debate the ideas honestly. The elections are coming.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:51:38am |
re: #603 NC Gray
James Fire Cat
"My dad works for the FDA, don't tell me his job isn't meaningful!"My statement was meaningful JOB CREATION. Unless your dad has the ability to bring approx 25 million unemployed folks on the the FDA pay roll then my comment stands.
As far as whether or not your dad's job is meaningful, the test for me as a tax payer is could your dad make more money in the private sector? If he could then I solute him because that is true 'public service' otherwise he is just one of the many on the government tit.
Thank you for comparing my father who has a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD in phsyics to a helpless infant because he decided to seek our a career that offered him solid long term employment and health insurance for his family.
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filetandrelease Wed, Apr 7, 2010 10:57:24am |
re: #624 Charles
I didn't say there was no racism there, but that the current tea party movement is not about race, contrary to the ralley in the article you posted.
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kutabeach Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:06:23am |
re: #633 Charles
Here come the excuse makers.
How can anyone excuse the pic from the 1950s?
And why would anyone use such a broad brush to paint the entire tea party movement? That is silly.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:20:02am |
re: #636 kutabeach
And why would anyone use such a broad brush to paint the entire tea party movement?
Because the tea party "movement" is a deeply divisive and destructive force in American politics, and many if not most of its leaders are outright extremists, Ron Paul activists, John Birch Society members, etc.
If you expect positive coverage of this atavistic and ugly movement, I suggest you go hang out at Free Republic.
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cgn38navy Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:29:49am |
re: #637 Charles
I believe you are absolutely wrong on this. The two leaders I know are small businesmen who are ethical, honest, and very concerned about government intrusion into our lives. Granted, my experience is anecdotal, but I believe the vast majority involved are the same.
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usufruct Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:29:54am |
Out here in Arizona, many of the local teaparties are directly tied to John Birch Society through shared membership of many of the active participants. The point about this connection with the crazies in the picture is not a stretch at all.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:31:45am |
re: #638 cgn38navy
I believe you are absolutely wrong on this. The two leaders I know are small businesmen who are ethical, honest, and very concerned about government intrusion into our lives. Granted, my experience is anecdotal, but I believe the vast majority involved are the same.
So what do your buddies do when people show with the signs discussed earlier, or utter the slogans or chants mentioned upthread?
That is the test.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:36:24am |
Like me, they do not deny there are isolated jerks at Tea Parties. And like me, they do not pretend it's fair to generalize an entire movement as evil because of a few outliers.
You can decide for yourself, happily, if you attend the April 15th party, and I challenge each and every single one of you folks to attend. Bring a sign condemning racism or criticizing Bush's spending or saying anything you want, and help me define the Tea Party as opposed to the bad seeds.
I honestly would appreciate it. I can't justify or explain away every bad guy, but I do not think it's reasonable to tarnish anyone associated tangentially with bad seeds by mere attendance at the same event. The Tea Party is simply extremely disorganized, for better and for worse. It boos republicans a lot, it's got a lot of democrats, and it's easy to pretend someone's a Tea Party leader. I could easily say that I'm a Tea Party leader, if I wanted to, and from attending dozens of protests I could probably convince the media to report me as such (I have helped organize the basics a couple of times, in Austin, Texas).
Just to repeat my argument to be as clear as I can: most of us agree, I think, that US Government spending and intrusion is excessive. We probably differ on all kinds of things, but we agree on this. If we all unite, democrats, republicans, and independents, to demand spending sustainability and less intrusion into our lives I think we all can win a huge victory, saving our disagreements for another day and a better country for our kids. This is a cheap point, but I'm not white, and I voted for Al Gore and Bill Clinton. I am disgusted by, and condemn, isolated racism at Tea Parties, but also disgusted when people try to hustle us around from the real point of the movement. Think about how that logic can be applied to any movement. The Anti-Torture protest movement (I'm part of it) has many truthers. The Anti-Bush movement has many violent protestors. The Anti-Islamofacism movement has many racists and religiously intolerant.
And they all have good seeds that condemn the jerks. I choose to let the good seeds give me their argument, undermining the power of the jerks. And here you are, with a Tea Partier who condemns racists, asking you to join me. It is a logical mistake to ignore the argument of less spending because of a few reports of nuts.
Also, I owe an apology. I don't read this blog often (And forgot I even had a login until I saw my browser had saved a password). Patterico's blog mentioned a series of viewpoint based bannings, and I must have gotten the wrong impression of the likelihood my civil disagreement would result in a banning. I think Charles is being extremely unfair in his stereotyping, and I think it's the classic reasoning that has led to so many problems in our nation's history, but I appreciate that he's willing to let me express my opinions on that.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:39:02am |
re: #641 Shill
You can decide for yourself, happily, if you attend the April 15th party, and I challenge each and every single one of you folks to attend.
If you attend a tea party, you are supporting extremists and racists, the John Birch Society, the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty, and an assortment of far right astroturfing groups.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:43:04am |
re: #641 Shill
Prove it by getting the Birch Society kicked out of anything having to do with the Tea Party, and by separating Dick Armey from the Tea Party movement, and you might have made a start in convincing me.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:43:23am |
re: #640 garhighway
So what do your buddies do when people show with the signs discussed earlier, or utter the slogans or chants mentioned upthread?
That is the test.
Consider how that test applies to Muslims. Or democrats. Or blacks.
I have seen first hand tea partiers condemn racists to their faces. I have done so. I did so on this blog repeatedly.
And many Muslims condemn the 9/11 attacks (etc etc). Many blacks condemn the various stereotype problems used as attacks on the 'black community', such as Bill Cosby talking about family values. Many democrats condemn truthers, even though a substantial number of pro democrat protestors and speakers and websites and donors are truthers.
I think that's satisfactory. You can't claim the Tea Party doesn't have anyone condemning the racists, since I am doing so right here. But why does that matter at all? We are individuals. I'm no racist. I don't have a single thing to apologize for. I protest about spending and intrusion. Bill Cosby doesn't have anything to apologize for. My Muslim Grandma didn't have anything to apologize for on 9/11.
Tea Partiers by and large do not agree with the insano few kooks. They usually ignore them, because they seem to be seeking attention (same reason they claim they are the Tea Party leadership). But many condemn them. And either way, it has no logical relevance to the case for or against big government, my friend.
All I can really do is ask democrats and others who are apprehensive about the movement to help me speak out in a good way.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:45:15am |
re: #642 Charles
If you attend a tea party, you are supporting extremists and racists, the John Birch Society, the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty, and an assortment of far right astroturfing groups.
If that's the case, it's by accident. I think you realize this. And without intent, I don't see how I'm morally culpable. But this is arguing past my view about the spending of government leading us to a lot of problems.
I don't want the racists to be able to define and destroy everything they touch.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:46:52am |
re: #645 Shill
I don't want the racists to be able to define and destroy everything they touch.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
If the National Tea Party Convention hoped to keep its focus on political organizing and its message on limited government, it has had little success so far.Capping the first full day of the meeting, right-wing instigator Joseph Farah spent much of his dinner speech questioning whether President Obama was born in Hawaii and casting doubt on whether the president was legitimately elected.
“The media, the politicians … all say, no, it’s all been settled. I say, if it’s been settled show us the birth certificate. Simple,” Farah’s said, as his remarks were cheered by the roughly 600 activists gathered in Nashville for the event.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:48:29am |
re: #643 Obdicut
Prove it by getting the Birch Society kicked out of anything having to do with the Tea Party, and by separating Dick Armey from the Tea Party movement, and you might have made a start in convincing me.
The Tea Party, at least my exposure to it, is extremely disorganized. I don't think what you're demanding is possible. I'd love to do it, but I don't think the grassroots movement (and seriously, I know there is a huge aspect of the Tea Party that is beyond anyone's personal control) makes it possible.
I don't know Dick Armey well enough to know what he did that's the problem.
Anyway, I could easily demand the Muslims get the terrorists kicked out of anything having to do with Islam, and democrats get the truthers kicked out of anything having to do with their party. I think such requests would be unfair. I have to run again, but I'll return when I have a chance. Thanks.
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:48:55am |
re: #645 Shill
Who is it that you link to in your profile and in your nic in the header of your comments?
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:51:13am |
re: #646 Obdicut
Farah and 600 birther idiots. And millions who disagree with them.
Granted, there are tons and tons of birthers out there. And of course, people who don't like Obama are going to be more receptive to the Tea Party.
It's a lot like how truthers are more likely to oppose the GOP than support it.
I don't know how to solve this problem. Abandon the Tea Party? I wanted to reduce the size and scope of government, and this is the best way I'm aware of. So my solution, as I think I've been upfront about, is to ask you, a fellow anti-kook, to join the Tea Party.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:51:21am |
re: #645 Shill
Would you please explain why you chose the image you're using for your icon?
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:53:30am |
re: #648 wrenchwench
Who is it that you link to in your profile and in your nic in the header of your comments?
Respectfully, I would rather discuss the Tea Party.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:54:21am |
re: #650 Reginald Perrin
Would you please explain why you chose the image you're using for your icon?
I would rather discuss the Tea Party.
But I think the "one" puns directed at Obama are generally amusing.
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:55:02am |
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:56:45am |
re: #653 wrenchwench
FTFY
Fair enough. Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I know a lot of them, am one, and a lot of my family are.
And look at the post. A lot of good people I know are unfairly being compared to 1950s bigots.
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:57:53am |
re: #654 Shill
Fair enough. Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I know a lot of them, am one, and a lot of my family are.
And look at the post. A lot of good people I know are unfairly being compared to 1950s bigots.
And you changed the link in your nic. What kind of Shill are you?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:58:32am |
re: #645 Shill
If that's the case, it's by accident. I think you realize this. And without intent, I don't see how I'm morally culpable. But this is arguing past my view about the spending of government leading us to a lot of problems.
I don't want the racists to be able to define and destroy everything they touch.
Ahh yes the Sergeant Schultz defense... I KNOW NOTHINK!
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:01:31pm |
re: #655 wrenchwench
Yeah, I did. I didn't want to cause anyone any harm, frankly. I am not familiar enough with this community to know what kind of precautions to take, but the new link is also intended in humor.
No disrespect is intended, and I think that's clear from my tone.
I picked my nick, Shill, because I was using a special unicode in my nick at a different blog, ace of spades, some time (I think years?) ago, when I registered here. It wasn't possible for all nicks. I like self deprecating humor, anyway.
I would much rather discuss the Tea Party.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:04:41pm |
re: #657 Shill
I picked my nick, Shill, because I was using a special unicode in my nick at a different blog, ace of spades, some time (I think years?) ago, when I registered here. It wasn't possible for all nicks. I like self deprecating humor, anyway.I would much rather discuss the Tea Party.
Ace of Spades?
Why am I not surprised
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:05:20pm |
re: #656 jamesfirecat
Ahh yes the Sergeant Schultz defense... I KNOW NOTHINK!
I don't like those kooks, and am arguing specifically for something I think most people should discuss and consider and is decidedly not kooky.
I don't mean to help the birchers or the racists. Honestly, that's the truth. You can choose to mock that, but please reconsider. Imagine all the good that the democrats have done despite being, at one time, very closely associated with the Klan in the South. imagine if the good folks abandoned things that were stained at the edges by horrible people.
I don't want that to happen to the Tea Party. It seems to be growing, diverse, and making some kind of difference right now (I realize some deny that).
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:07:05pm |
re: #657 Shill
For someone so enamored of the Tea Party, I would think you would be more interested in those who were among the founders.
I don't know Dick Armey well enough to know what he did that's the problem.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:07:06pm |
re: #658 Reginald Perrin
Ace of Spades?
Why am I not surprised
'meh. I read a lot of blogs. Crooks and Liars, Instapundit, Patterico, Atrios, Daily Kos, NYT blogs, CNN blogs, and on and on.
I don't think Ace is that bad. He's not a racist or a bircher, that's for sure.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:08:36pm |
re: #659 Shill
I don't like those kooks, and am arguing specifically for something I think most people should discuss and consider and is decidedly not kooky.
I don't mean to help the birchers or the racists. Honestly, that's the truth. You can choose to mock that, but please reconsider. Imagine all the good that the democrats have done despite being, at one time, very closely associated with the Klan in the South. imagine if the good folks abandoned things that were stained at the edges by horrible people.
I don't want that to happen to the Tea Party. It seems to be growing, diverse, and making some kind of difference right now (I realize some deny that).
I'm sorry I refuse to believe that something that was born out of spite can become a good thing.
The Tea Party can make no claim to being chiefly about people being afraid of the government spending too much money because they stayed silent while Bush pissed away our money on two wars in the Middle East.
I'd suggest trying to co-opt a movement that was started with a negative conotation, go start something new and fresh rather than trying to pump water out of a sinking ship.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:11:02pm |
re: #659 Shill
I don't mean to help the birchers or the racists. Honestly, that's the truth.
And yet, you are.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:13:07pm |
re: #660 wrenchwench
For someone so enamored of the Tea Party, I would think you would be more interested in those who were among the founders.
Well, I'm not all that interested in that. That seems a lot like an ad hominem style of reasoning. I'm much more interested in the vailidity of the argument that we are "Taxed enough already" or "don't tread on m[y personal insurance decisions]" or "We're spending far more than we can presently afford" etc etc etc.
You have identified a core disagreement we have. I want to focus on the actual argument. Satan himself could rise from hell and tell me that 2+2=4, and while I wouldn't wave a sign around to that effect, he'd be right.
Again, I don't even know what Dick Armey did that's so bad... but any movement of size has got this kind of taint to it. Show me one, the size of the Tea Party, that doesn't. Even Amnesty International and the Catholic Church have plenty of deeply disturbing scandals.
I am not trying to help Dick Armey do whatever it is he's done that's terrible (and you're probably right that he did something terrible, or you wouldn't bring it up).
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The Left Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:14:37pm |
re: #661 Shill
'meh. I read a lot of blogs. Crooks and Liars, Instapundit, Patterico, Atrios, Daily Kos, NYT blogs, CNN blogs, and on and on.
I don't think Ace is that bad. He's not a racist or a bircher, that's for sure.
Ace is scum.
Misogynistic scum.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:18:02pm |
re: #663 Charles
And yet, you are.
I wonder about that. Seriously, if the ultimate effect of the tea party is to divide our country by race or be anti immigrant (in my life, this is the primary annoyance from the Birchers, though obviously not the only one) then I have failed, the Tea Party was evil, and I was helping the bad guys.
I don't think that's what's happening at all. I think we're going to have the primary effect of leading to a government with two party power, which will move more slowly, spend less, and check eachother more effectively.
Seriously, that's what I think I'm doing. I'm not perfect, and if I'm being duped I'm sorry. But I don't think I am, just because some of the people attracted to reasonable criticism of Obama and Pelosi and Reid are ultra right wing extremists. I guess I just expect some riff raff like that.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:18:58pm |
re: #666 Shill
I wonder about that.
No, actually -- you're determinedly denying it, despite the evidence that's right in front of you.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:20:31pm |
OK, I really need to go, and I don't want to spam the threads. But I'll return and try to address as many of you as I can.
Can we at least agree that a hypothetical movement based on reducing the spending of our government is a worthy endeavor, if we can stipulate this hypothetical movement is not defined by racists and other bad folks?
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:20:58pm |
re: #664 Shill
Again, I don't even know what Dick Armey did that's so bad... but any movement of size has got this kind of taint to it.
He (among others) started the Tea Party movement. Yes, any movement has some taint. Not always at the top and from the start, though.
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Brent Favre Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:21:30pm |
This is why i am a registered independent. That way i cant be painted with the brush of the idiots in the party or their respective platforms, i can pick and choose which i like and support and what i dont. So if you are a dem, rep, or tea then anything that any member of those parties do reflects on you and means you support it? I think that is a little wack
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:22:07pm |
re: #669 Shill
OK, I really need to go, and I don't want to spam the threads. But I'll return and try to address as many of you as I can.
Can we at least agree that a hypothetical movement based on reducing the spending of our government is a worthy endeavor, if we can stipulate this hypothetical movement is not defined by racists and other bad folks?
No, I won't stipulate any such thing. The leaders of this "movement" are racists and extremists.
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Shill Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:23:11pm |
re: #668 Charles
No, actually -- you're determinedly denying it, despite the evidence that's right in front of you.
50 year old pictures of racists? That's what I'm defending the Tea Party from.
What did I deny? I said there were racists and nuts. I said that such a thing doesn't actually affect the logic of certain claims I made about government spending.
And of course, the demographic polls prove that the Tea Party is very similar in makeup to the American people, with a notable exception of having half the ratio of blacks. It's not perfect. I'm not denying the jerks exist, either. But I think the evidence is powerful that the Tea Party is not about hating our black president.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:23:21pm |
re: #665 iceweasel
I hope Jimmah and you don't mind that I posted (with attributions) your
Ballad of The Screen Berets. It ended up being the highest rated comment at Think Progress that day.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:24:18pm |
re: #667 Shill
Fair criticism, I admit.
Ah, so you're gutless, too. First you say Ace isn't that bad, and then you agree he's scum.
You have real character.
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The Left Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:26:15pm |
re: #674 Reginald Perrin
I hope Jimmah and you don't mind that I posted (with attributions) your
Ballad of The Screen Berets. It ended up being the highest rated comment at Think Progress that day.
Cool! Thanks-- did not know that!
I trust you've seen our Butthurt Level Warning System for Greater WIngnuttia-- that went over well at Balloon Juice, heh.
Etc. ;-)
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:28:11pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:29:59pm |
"Brent Favre" is a previously banned sock puppet, who was thrown out for spewing insults all over LGF.
Now banned again.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:34:22pm |
re: #678 Charles
"Brent Favre" is a previously banned sock puppet, who was thrown out for spewing insults all over LGF.
Now banned again.
The mouse police never sleep.
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NC Gray Wed, Apr 7, 2010 1:41:22pm |
re: #614 garhighway
Fair point. My thought was that we need some private sector employment growth. Simply put the government cannot hire enough. There are many working for the government who do a great job. But certainly there are others that don't. I don't believe that state government DMV offices have the monopoly on poor service.
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ThisisMatt Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:05:49pm |
I am sorry. I just think this comparison is out of bounds. The Tea Party has members who are not racist or birthers and painting them with this way does not advance either side. Some of them, or course, are morons (racists and birthers) and they deserve to be run out of any decent group of people.
We have to get away from this type or rhetoric on both side.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 7, 2010 4:14:51pm |
re: #681 ThisisMatt
Matt, your concern has been duly noted.
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PaxAmericana Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:12:35pm |
4 deletes in a row? More like, "there go the nuts." BTW, I have a feeling they came from Right-Thinking from the Left Coast. They linked to this article today.
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