Michele Bachmann: Nuke the Internet

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Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) thinks the best way for the United States to respond to a cyber attack would be to nuke somebody.

“If in fact there is a nation who is compliant with all of the rules ahead of time and they’ve complied with the United Nations on nuclear proliferation, if they fire against the United States a biological weapon, a chemical weapon or maybe a cyber attack, well then we aren’t going to be firing back with nuclear weapons,” Bachmann said. “Doesn’t that make us all feel safe?”

“No!” shouted the crowd of thousands in Minneapolis.

In most cyber attacks, it’s difficult to impossible to determine where the attack originated. Many cyber attacks are perpetrated by distributed networks called “botnets,” consisting of thousands of computers infected with viruses that let them be used without the owner’s knowledge. Who the hell does Bachmann think she’s going to nuke?

If Michele Bachmann’s computer was part of a botnet that launched a cyber attack against American networks, would she nuke herself?

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219 comments
1 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:58:35pm

Maybe she thought SkyNet would attack us with T-850s?

2 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:01:04pm

The internet is a series of tubes, and we must always be on guard to make sure no one crawls through that series of tubes and attacks us, that’s what I learned during my time in Nam!

3 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:01:08pm

re: #1 Varek Raith

Maybe she thought SkyNet would attack us with T-850s?

I must be getting very tired. I read that as “TRS-80s”. 4k RAM. Unstoppable!

4 Kilroy01  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:02:45pm

If Michele Bachmann’s computer was part of a botnet that launched a cyber attack against American networks, would she nuke herself?
Preemptive strike anyone?

Nuke her from orbit, it is the only way to be sure.

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:02:49pm

She read something somewhere about .NET Nuke and thought we should be prepared.

6 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:03:55pm

Whaaaat?

7 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:05:36pm

Okay, I understand the silliness. But where, exactly, does Bachmann call for a nuclear response? So far, I see her protesting that there is no possibility for one….. which is not the same thing as advocating its use.

8 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:07:40pm

re: #7 tradewind

Okay, I understand the silliness. But where, exactly, does Bachmann call for a nuclear response? So far, I see her protesting that there is no possibility for one… which is not the same thing as advocating its use.

“If in fact there is a nation who is compliant with all of the rules ahead of time and they’ve complied with the United Nations on nuclear proliferation, if they fire against the United States a biological weapon, a chemical weapon or maybe a cyber attack, well then we aren’t going to be firing back with nuclear weapons,” Bachmann said. “Doesn’t that make us all feel safe?

9 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:07:58pm

re: #7 tradewind

Okay, I understand the silliness. But where, exactly, does Bachmann call for a nuclear response? So far, I see her protesting that there is no possibility for one… which is not the same thing as advocating its use.

She was rilling up the crowd with her rhetoric. Seemed pretty obvious to me.

10 blueraven  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:08:24pm

re: #7 tradewind

The point is; she is an idiot who has not a clue about what she is speaking.

11 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:09:15pm

She really is stupid enough to run as Sarah Palin’s VP!
Imagine if they won.

12 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:09:24pm

re: #7 tradewind

Eh, as far as I understand the treaty she’s dead wrong. We do reserve the right to use nuclear weapons against nations that use biological weapons against us.

But really, she’s lamenting the fact that we’re restricting ourselves from retaliating against a cyber attack with weapons of mass destruction. Surely you see how that’s ridiculous, no?

13 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:09:54pm

re: #7 tradewind

Okay, I understand the silliness. But where, exactly, does Bachmann call for a nuclear response? So far, I see her protesting that there is no possibility for one… which is not the same thing as advocating its use.

Isn’t that like saying “I’m not saying that you should eat chocolate, I’m just saying that you shouldn’t not be allowed to eat chocolate!” The double negative principle is working against her…

14 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:10:39pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

She really is stupid enough to run as Sarah Palin’s VP!
Imagine if they won.

I try not to.

I find it safer.

If i thought about it i would slash my wrists.

15 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:10:43pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

She really is stupid enough to run as Sarah Palin’s VP!
Imagine if they won.

Oh, great. Now I won’t be able to sleep tonight. Thanks.

/sometimes it’s hard to keep a straight face…

16 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:12:15pm

re: #14 wozzablog

re: #15 MrSilverDragon

I think the American voters are smarter than that!

17 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:12:39pm

After spending an afternoon disinfecting my daughter’s laptop from the “Control Center” malware and the “Conficker” virus, I know exactly how she feels.

/

18 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:13:03pm

Okay, now I have a mental picture of all the nations of Second Life and Azeroth banding together to make the cyber-terrorists pay in blood.

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:13:18pm

OT, sort of:

In most cyber attacks, it’s difficult to impossible to determine where the attack originated. Many cyber attacks are perpetrated by distributed networks called “botnets,” consisting of thousands of computers infected with viruses that let them be used without the owner’s knowledge.

Incidentally, this is why did not and will not support the DDoS attacks perpetrated by Anon, regardless of how insidious I think their ultimate target may be.

20 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:13:41pm

OT: Dow hits 11k …

21 avanti  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:14:40pm

re: #8 Varek Raith

“If in fact there is a nation who is compliant with all of the rules ahead of time and they’ve complied with the United Nations on nuclear proliferation, if they fire against the United States a biological weapon, a chemical weapon or maybe a cyber attack, well then we aren’t going to be firing back with nuclear weapons,” Bachmann said. “Doesn’t that make us all feel safe?

She misses the fact that the new posture does not say that. It limits nuking a nation that signed the nuclear proliferation treaty under most conditions, but with plenty of wiggle room to do so with a massive attack. I’ll admit, it’s hard to see a cyber attack calling for a nuke, so I’ll give her that option is probably off the table.

22 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:14:45pm

re: #20 Thanos

OT: Dow hits 11k …

It’s only relevant to the Obama Presidency when it’s low…

23 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:15:58pm

re: #20 Thanos

OT: Dow hits 11k …

Hooray!

24 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:16:32pm

re: #22 JasonA

why does wall st. hate America?

25 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:16:40pm

re: #21 avanti

She misses the fact that the new posture does not say that. It limits nuking a nation that signed the nuclear proliferation treaty under most conditions, but with plenty of wiggle room to do so with a massive attack. I’ll admit, it’s hard to see a cyber attack calling for a nuke, so I’ll give her that option is probably off the table.

I know. I just chalk it up as her not knowing what the hell she’s talking about.

26 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:16:47pm

Here’s the story

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

27 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:16:52pm

Meanwhile, the “Israeli nuclear tech denied a U.S. visa” story that appeared in Maariv Hebrew edition and was picked up by some wingnut bloggers has been debunked.

28 avanti  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:16:57pm

re: #22 JasonA

It’s only relevant to the Obama Presidency when it’s low…

As I said down thread, if the economy continue to grow, we’ll reelect the Commie POTUS./

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:16:57pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

She really is stupid enough to run as Sarah Palin’s VP!
Imagine if they won.

Late night talk show hosts, stand up comedians, and the writers for SNL would drown in their collective salivation at four possible years of the “jokes writing themselves”.

30 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:17:31pm

Did Palin do her do her hand gimmick again?
Image: x610.jpg

I bet the wingnuts went crazy for it.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:18:27pm

re: #20 Thanos

OT: Dow hits 11k …

DECLINE! TYRANNY!
/Teahadi

32 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:18:35pm

re: #27 Alouette

Meanwhile, the “Israeli nuclear tech denied a U.S. visa” story that appeared in Maariv Hebrew edition and was picked up by some wingnut bloggers has been debunked.

Imagine, if you will, my intense surprise.

33 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:18:49pm

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

OT, sort of:

Incidentally, this is why did not and will not support the DDoS attacks perpetrated by Anon, regardless of how insidious I think their ultimate target may be.

Besides Rick rolls make for better stories!

34 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:19:06pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

If they survived long enough.

35 avanti  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:19:08pm

re: #27 Alouette

Meanwhile, the “Israeli nuclear tech denied a U.S. visa” story that appeared in Maariv Hebrew edition and was picked up by some wingnut bloggers has been debunked.

I’m shocked, I am./ Now the right wing blogs will all correct the story in the interests of accuracy.

36 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:20:53pm

re: #27 Alouette

Meanwhile, the “Israeli nuclear tech denied a U.S. visa” story that appeared in Maariv Hebrew edition and was picked up by some wingnut bloggers has been debunked.

This shows that the only rational response to these constant outrageous outrages of the day is to immediately assume they’re false.

I simply won’t waste any more time even investigating this nonsense.

37 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:21:28pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

Besides Rick rolls make for better stories!

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Rickrolling died on November 27, 2008 during the Thanksgiving Day Parade. It’s dead, and doesn’t need resurrection.

38 darthstar  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:22:01pm

Bachmann is a TRS-80 in the iPad of life.

39 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:22:27pm

The new Sarah Palin popup book is really lifelike…
Image: 610x.jpg

40 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:22:27pm

The point is that Obama is reducing our number of nukes.

Michelle Bachman’s idea is that the more guns you have in your cellar/pickup truck/concealed under your vest, the safer you are. By extension, the greater number of nukes a nation possesses, the safer it is.

Obama is compromising that in her eyes. Just as all Americans have the God-given and constitutionally protected right to unlimited access and use of firearms, our God-fearing nation has the right to unlimited and unrestricted possession and use of nukes.

41 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:23:15pm

re: #8 Varek Raith
Like I said…..
Where does she specifically say ’ we should nuke ‘em ‘?
Or are you just doing that ’ finish her sentence’ thingy ?

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:23:20pm

She’s multiplying…
Image: 610x.jpg

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:24:02pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

She’s multiplying…
Image: 610x.jpg

Oh, good grief. Why, dear God, why?

44 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:24:23pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

That girl looks really cute, though.

45 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:24:28pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

She’s multiplying…
Image: 610x.jpg

I thought cloning was illegal???

46 darthstar  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:24:56pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

I thought cloning was illegal???

Human cloning is.

47 emcesq  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:25:42pm

Imagine if Michelle’s computer was a part of a botnet…

48 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:26:11pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

She’s multiplying…
Image: 610x.jpg

You’re funny today!

49 Kilroy01  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:26:16pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Only Humans

50 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:26:26pm

I only know one possible solution to a Cyber-Attack.. Nuke all the Botnets on the Internet! In fact..using the Bush doctrine we could preemptively strike the Botnets…That will show them…
mmm.My laptop is acting like it has a virus…
INCOMING!

51 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:26:35pm

re: #37 MrSilverDragon

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Rickrolling died on November 27, 2008 during the Thanksgiving Day Parade. It’s dead, and doesn’t need resurrection.

If you say so, in other news anyone who is interested I finally managed to find the Presidents’ speech from Independence Day that I we were talking about last night and in English rather than Spanish.

52 Spider Mensch  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:27:18pm

OT, but on the subject of stupid, read this…[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

aside from the obvious idiocy, is this bit regarding United Airlines…”United Airlines disavowed any responsibility and said it requires a parent or guardian dropping off a child for a flight to show an ID and to list who is picking the child up at the destination.”

I’m not an expert on unaccompanied children and traveling, but this doesn’t sound right at all. it’s that simple? really? I find it hard to believe..

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:27:26pm

re: #43 Charles

Oh, good grief. Why, dear God, why?


Maybe her Robert E Lee costume was at the cleaners.

54 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:28:15pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat
Your illustration helps. Saying that some one should not be not allowed to eat chocolate is not the same thing as saying they should eat it.
(Unless, of course, you have that mind-reading technology already up and running).

55 avanti  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:29:12pm

re: #43 Charles

Oh, good grief. Why, dear God, why?

It could be good news, a dozen Palin clones, pooling their intellect, could get the Borg up to speed on the issues.

56 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:29:25pm

McCain is top tweeter as lawmakers embrace social networking.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:30:24pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I saw a short piece on some show about Bristol’s new “Pause Before You Play” ad campaign, and one of the things they showed was a photo shoot she was doing, with the “Pause” slogan written on the palm of her hand in black ink.

I about fell out of my chair laughing. For the life of me, I can’t find an image of it on the net.

58 The Yankee  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:31:01pm

Told you guys I know people that can’t comprehend why we did’t nuke Vietnam.

They are numbers of people who seriously want us to nuke every other country in the Middle East. But do not understand how nuclear fall out would affect Israel, or just don’t care. These people are dead sober, some of them are Jewish. Most of them are adults, most have graduated High School and even college. None of this bother me till i realized how serious they were and now I have found out that one of these people have gotten elected. (That said the House is full of nuts on both sides)

I always think that maybe this is just their persona the face they show to get elected that they are smarter behind the scenes.

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:31:40pm

re: #47 emcesq

She is part of a botnet.

60 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:31:49pm

Oh no…. hate speech at the Masters!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

61 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:33:04pm

re: #41 tradewind

Like I said…
Where does she specifically say ’ we should nuke ‘em ‘?
Or are you just doing that ’ finish her sentence’ thingy ?

“…if they fire against the United States a biological weapon, a chemical weapon or maybe a cyber attack, well then we aren’t going to be firing back with nuclear weapons”
Why include cyber attacks?

62 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:33:33pm

re: #54 tradewind

Oh for f#$k’s sake, no country should be given the right to turn another into an irradiated wasteland over a friggin’ cyber-attack. No, not even us. It shouldn’t be an option. Calling it a disproportionate response doesn’t even begin to describe it.

63 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:34:19pm

re: #60 tradewind

I don’t think it’s hateful. Just not very funny.

64 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:35:19pm

Wow folks, made it to my 3000th post. I guess I do have some sticktoitiveness in me.

Thanks for putting up with my bizarre and sometimes juvenile humor, and hopefully (on rare occasion) pithy and witty thoughts. Thank you, Charles, for sticking to your guns on this blog, and allowing me to be a guest here, and thanks to all the people I’ve had a chance to meet here along the way who’ve made this an intelligent place to be!

Here’s hoping for at least 3000 more, and y’all have a great night!

65 Spider Mensch  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:36:26pm

re: #64 MrSilverDragon

Wow folks, made it to my 3000th post. I guess I do have some sticktoitiveness in me.

Thanks for putting up with my bizarre and sometimes juvenile humor, and hopefully (on rare occasion) pithy and witty thoughts. Thank you, Charles, for sticking to your guns on this blog, and allowing me to be a guest here, and thanks to all the people I’ve had a chance to meet here along the way who’ve made this an intelligent place to be!

Here’s hoping for at least 3000 more, and y’all have a great night!

why am I fighting an urge to down ding you?? ah..too much caffeine or something…lol :^)

66 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:36:27pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout
Sorry… an old white dude, criticizing POTUS? By definition, has to be hateful, and racist to boot.

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:36:37pm

Charles? Are you sure Martians aren’t offended by your assertion that the psycho is from the red planet?

68 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:37:18pm

re: #66 tradewind

You are hateful.

69 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:37:33pm

re: #66 tradewind

Keep on trollin’!

70 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:37:34pm

Hello all, before I go off to Shabbos, I simply must share some more wingnut crazy. This was posted in the links by a Lizard, and it really really needs to be shown off.

I just want to go down the list of stupid here a little.

The link is for your denialist needs:

[Link: robertsteely.blogtownhall.com…]

[Link: www.climatebasics.com…]

Supposedly, the surface of the earth gives off its energy as 41% radiation and the rest as conduction and evaporation. 41% is about how much radiation an incandescent light bulb gives off at 3,000°C, not what a cold basement gives off at 15°C. A fraudulent Stephan-Boltzmann constant rationalizes the over-emission of radiation.

It’s not everyday that I see something quite this stupid or anti-science. The bit about the Earth not giving off its heat by radiation is particularly stupid. Since space is a vacuum, and the Earth is in space, the only way the Earth loses heat is through radiation. Convection and conduction require a medium to carry heat.

But the bit about a fraudulent Stephan -Boltzmann constant is particularly insane. Yes 130 years ago, those two men were starting a conspiracy of statistical mechanics in order to “falsely” promote AGW…

This is followed by:

Carbon dioxide cannot absorb radiation which comes from the sun, because it is too high in frequency. Objects as hot as the sun cannot give off low frequency radiation in the infrared range, which carbon dioxide absorbs.

Uhhh…huhh…

OK so get this straight, he is claiming that the sun gives off no IR or lower wavelength light. It’s not exactly hard to look at the sun and measure the IR it gives off.

Here is the total power received from the sun:

[Link: www.ngdc.noaa.gov…]

Here is the frequency breakdown:

[Link: rredc.nrel.gov…]

Notice that the graph peaks in the visible and all that IR stuff to the right.

Radio waves are even longer wavelength than IR - by orders of magnitude. Look at the following picture:

Image: Radio_Telescope_Jodrell_Bank_Observatory_Lovell.jpg

Kinda stupid to build radio telescopes if the stuff in space doesn’t give off that kind of light…

Claiming that a large amount of infrared radiation leaves the surface of the earth is so obviously false that it cannot be anything but deliberate fraud. There are too many sources of evidence to get such a misrepresentation through error without fraud.

Uhh huh - because energy is no longer conserved?

So in summary, we have the most intensely stupid of the stupid here.

I invite anyone to look at these links just to see how train-wreck dumb it is.

The issue of course is that this is of course the kind of crap that the denialist propaganda machine has taught these fools.

71 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:15pm

I’ve been waiting till post 100 to go OT but you guys are taking too long and I need to bail. Wanted to share this:

“10 Rules For Dealing With The Police ” is now free on youtube.

Part 1 of 4:

72 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:15pm

re: #36 Charles

This shows that the only rational response to these constant outrageous outrages of the day is to immediately assume they’re false.

I simply won’t waste any more time even investigating this nonsense.

Which of course means that if a real one happens everyone will have been tired of the wolf calls.

73 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:25pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Are you sure Martians aren’t offended by your assertion that the psycho is from the red planet?

We are. I’ve mentioned this some months ago.
:)

74 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:41pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

The internet is a series of tubes, and we must always be on guard to make sure no one crawls through that series of tubes and attacks us, that’s what I learned during my time in Nam!

Image: the-internet-a-series-of-tubes.jpg

75 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:47pm

re: #66 tradewind

Sorry… an old white dude, criticizing POTUS? By definition, has to be hateful, and racist to boot.

Making statements like that undermine people’s ability to be properly offended by the truly racist statements aimed towards our POTUS which you do believe exist, even if in smaller numbers than most liberals would claim exist, correct?

76 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:49pm

re: #62 JasonA
Oh thank heavens. I was worried that we’d seriously consider it an option.
Not./

77 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:38:51pm

re: #27 Alouette

Meanwhile, the “Israeli nuclear tech denied a U.S. visa” story that appeared in Maariv Hebrew edition and was picked up by some wingnut bloggers has been debunked.

Thanks. That one did ring my skepto-alarm pretty loud, but I hadn’t had time to check it out.

78 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:39:04pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Are you sure Martians aren’t offended by your assertion that the psycho is from the red planet?

You mean (M) stands for Mars? I thought it meant Moron..Color me surprised.

79 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:39:58pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

Imagine if they won.

Migraine medication sales would skyrocket. So would alcohol consumption.

80 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:40:22pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Your first link is to a regular blog pimp in the spinoff links here.

81 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:41:00pm

re: #66 tradewind

No, in order for it to be considered racist there would have to be some sort of racial connotation.

82 political lunatic  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:41:56pm

I don’t think Bachmann’s base would mind so much nuking the internet to get “their” America. The stupid, it burns!

83 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:42:04pm

re: #75 jamesfirecat
Yes, I do believe they exist. Just not wrapped in every, or even most, criticism of the president, which is the prevailing sense in much reporting.

84 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:43:24pm

re: #76 tradewind

Oh thank heavens. I was worried that we’d seriously consider it an option.
Not./

Then tell me why the hell she brought it up. It really diminishes the horror of bio/chem attacks to mention cyber in the same sentence.

85 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:45:47pm

re: #18 JasonA

Okay, now I have a mental picture of all the nations of Second Life and Azeroth banding together to make the cyber-terrorists pay in blood.

Image: For_the_Horde_.jpg

;)

86 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:45:59pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout
Well, let’s see. Does the unadorned phrase ’ an athlete’ in any way carry a racial connotation?
Only if you are straining for it in the first place. With any criticism of President Obama, there will be those who will start from the fact that he is African American, and reach out for a degree of connection that makes any criticism a racial slur.

87 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:46:52pm

re: #85 Lidane

Image: For_the_Horde_.jpg

;)

No pic, no upding :P

88 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:46:59pm

re: #84 JasonA
I never said she wasn’t nutty.
But it is that very fact that precludes the necessity for putting words in her mouth.

89 sagehen  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:47:31pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

If you say so, in other news anyone who is interested I finally managed to find the Presidents’ speech from Independence Day that I we were talking about last night and in English rather than Spanish.


[Video]

If you’re going to post president vids, you need to be aware of this one:

90 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:48:53pm

re: #89 sagehen

If you’re going to post president vids, you need to be aware of this one:


[Video]

Make your choice, adventurous stranger
Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad
What would have followed if you had.

91 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:49:14pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello all, before I go off to Shabbos, I simply must share some more wingnut crazy. This was posted in the links by a Lizard, and it really really needs to be shown off.

I just want to go down the list of stupid here a little.

The link is for your denialist needs:

[Link: robertsteely.blogtownhall.com…]

[Link: www.climatebasics.com…]

Uhh huh - because energy is no longer conserved?

So in summary, we have the most intensely stupid of the stupid here.

I invite anyone to look at these links just to see how train-wreck dumb it is.

The issue of course is that this is of course the kind of crap that the denialist propaganda machine has taught these fools.

Eegad!! No IR from the sun? This reminds me of some of the less-than-learned communication I have received from creationists over the years.
One was interested in denying astronomical distances, since the universe has to be more than 6000 years old if anything is more than 6000 light-years away and we can see it. He gave a rebuttal of parallax shift that clearly showed he didn’t have a clue how it worked. He asserted that distances could only be measured with observations taken 6 months apart to the precise instant, as though astronomers could not compensate geometrically for a known change in their baseline. He went from there to red shift, asserting that it was actually caused by light passing through clouds of red dust on the way to the Earth. That is, he had no idea what a shift in spectrum really is.

92 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:49:55pm

re: #88 tradewind

I never said she wasn’t nutty.
But it is that very fact that precludes the necessity for putting words in her mouth.

No one is. She said

if they fire against the United States a biological weapon, a chemical weapon or maybe a cyber attack, well then we aren’t going to be firing back with nuclear weapons,” Bachmann said. “Doesn’t that make us all feel safe?”

That comment heavily implies that we should be firing back with nuclear weapons.

93 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:50:12pm

re: #87 JasonA

It didn’t work? Bummer. It’s from here. Maybe that one will work.

94 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:50:31pm

re: #93 Lidane

Nada.

95 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:51:01pm

re: #93 Lidane

It didn’t work? Bummer. It’s from here. Maybe that one will work.

Lol.

96 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:51:28pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

This is the new tactic of the disgruntled. They post links to outrageously stupid right wing crap, using the tools I provided.

Notice that they never participate in discussions. They’re just trying to pick up traffic, and put a thumb in my eye at the same time.

97 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:51:37pm

re: #86 tradewind

Good luck with your dream of mainstreaming racism. I’m not really interested, I was just highlighting your willfully ignorant attempt to cover for racist comments by conservatives.

98 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:51:41pm

re: #94 JasonA

Damn. Ah well. Just Google “for the Horde” and look for the image of a baby photoshopped to look like an Orc. Heh.

99 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:53:23pm

re: #98 Lidane

Okay, now I see it.

I prefer this one: Image: costumes1.jpg

100 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:53:32pm

It’s a really good idea to preview any image links you post.

A lot of sites have code to prevent “hotlinking” images. And sometimes they’ll substitute something really nasty, like the dreaded goatse.

Preview is your friend, and everybody else’s.

101 political lunatic  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:53:38pm

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:54:30pm

re: #101 political lunatic

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

I could care less. But I hear he’s only two strokes back…
/

103 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:54:31pm

re: #101 political lunatic

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

Stephen Colbert’s segment on his new Nike commercial made me laugh my ass off, though.

104 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:55:08pm

re: #100 Charles

That’s what bums me out. My previews actually worked and showed the image just fine.

I’ll stick to full URL’s for a while, just to be safe. I’d hate to unintentionally inflict something gross on others.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:55:08pm

re: #99 JasonA

Hot, but nerdy.

NOPE!

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:57:09pm

re: #96 Charles

This is the new tactic of the disgruntled. They post links to outrageously stupid right wing crap, using the tools I provided.

Notice that they never participate in discussions. They’re just trying to pick up traffic, and put a thumb in my eye at the same time.

Well, there is a bright side. They can post their BS and we can (debunk is the wrong word, because “debunk” implies a plausible lie that needs to be sorted out) show it for the utterly stupid and intensely moronic garbage that it is.

Let them show themselves as the morons they are, and we give them the exact same treatment that we gave the creationists.

107 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:58:27pm

re: #100 Charles

It’s a really good idea to preview any image links you post.

A lot of sites have code to prevent “hotlinking” images. And sometimes they’ll substitute something really nasty, like the dreaded goatse.

Preview is your friend, and everybody else’s.

unfortunately I googled goatse.
I now need eye bleach

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:00:41pm

re: #84 JasonA

Then tell me why the hell she brought it up.

Because “deth panils” are no longer fashionable?

109 Kilroy01  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:01:41pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

Why did I look.. why… ack..

110 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:02:06pm

re: #86 tradewind

Hey, here’s some real fresh, hot off the presses, right wing racism for ya…..
A tough crowd for Joseph Cao

He had fundraisers, he had meetings, all in the suburbs — the white suburbs,” said Hasney, who attended one of those events. “He had nothing in the district. We got him elected. Then, he goes and says ‘but I have to represent my district,’ which is all liberal, giveaway, spread-the-wealth, welfare, black. We thought he would try to change the demographics of that district by supporting things that were not giveaway things. You know, supporting things that would get them out of the ghetto.”

Hasney made it clear that she opposed Cao’s votes because she thought they were the wrong way to lift poor blacks in New Orleans out of poverty. “I’m not just talking about black people,” she said. “The Vietnamese people flourish in that area because they’re workers.”

111 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:04:07pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello all, before I go off to Shabbos, I simply must share some more wingnut crazy. This was posted in the links by a Lizard, and it really really needs to be shown off.

I just want to go down the list of stupid here a little.

The link is for your denialist needs:

[Link: robertsteely.blogtownhall.com…]

[Link: www.climatebasics.com…]

Uhh huh - because energy is no longer conserved?

So in summary, we have the most intensely stupid of the stupid here.

I invite anyone to look at these links just to see how train-wreck dumb it is.

The issue of course is that this is of course the kind of crap that the denialist propaganda machine has taught these fools.

You quoted Gary Novak who is a loon. Not even the worst denialists are as crazy (I hope).

He’s the guy who thought Einstein should not have squared the speed of light in E = MC2 because light can’t go any faster than the speed of light.

112 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:04:35pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Good luck with your dream of mainstreaming racism.


ZOMG.
You couldn’t have been more illustrative. Thanks for playing, KT.

113 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:04:41pm
114 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:05:13pm

I just got back from the grocery store, an ordeal I dreaded since it meant I would have to get around in the motorized cart. Instead, it was a very pleasant experience. Everywhere I turned, people—not just employees but also shoppers—asked me if I needed help.

So, if you ever doubt the quality of kindness in your fellow humans, break a toe or a foot—heck, a leg if you’re feeling adventurous—and go grocery shopping.

Now, off to start cooking for the first time since Monday!

115 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:05:55pm

(((GROUP HUG)))

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:06:09pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

unfortunately I googled goatse.
I now need eye bleach

I’ve said this many times, and I can not stress enough how important this is:

If you don’t know the meaning of a word or phrase, DO NOT GOOGLE IT! Type it into Urban Dictionary first.

117 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:06:26pm

re: #115 MandyManners

who are you, and what have you done with mandy???????

118 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:07:31pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

unfortunately I googled goatse.
I now need eye bleach

eyebleach is for the weak - NUKE THE NET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:07:51pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

Eegad!! No IR from the sun? This reminds me of some of the less-than-learned communication I have received from creationists over the years.
One was interested in denying astronomical distances, since the universe has to be more than 6000 years old if anything is more than 6000 light-years away and we can see it. He gave a rebuttal of parallax shift that clearly showed he didn’t have a clue how it worked. He asserted that distances could only be measured with observations taken 6 months apart to the precise instant, as though astronomers could not compensate geometrically for a known change in their baseline. He went from there to red shift, asserting that it was actually caused by light passing through clouds of red dust on the way to the Earth. That is, he had no idea what a shift in spectrum really is.

Yeah.

You have three things coming together with such a one.

1. They know from dogma that nature should conform to their sense of the way it ought to be and then only accept any statement that supports that view. The truth of that statement does not matter.

2. They are not scientifically educated themselves at all - I mean really not at all - but they have the arrogance to assume that they are the equal of someone who actually learned the science. This leads them to paradoxically hate “science” while attempting to usurp the authority of science by using many half understood scientific words. The notion that those words need to be put in the right order, does not bother them either.

3. They are imaginative but not intelligent. They hear whatever half understood bit of science and then imagine how it could help them reach the conclusion they always wanted to reach. The fact that what they are quoting actually contradicts their argument, or that if they had fully understood what they were quoting, they would be wrong also does not penetrate.

In some sense this is what science has always had to contend with- fighting the forces of unreasoning faith and dogma with the evidence of reality.

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:08:28pm

re: #114 MandyManners

What happened to you, Mandy?

121 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:08:28pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

I’ve said this many times, and I can not stress enough how important this is:

If you don’t know the meaning of a word or phrase, DO NOT GOOGLE IT! Type it into Urban Dictionary first.

Yes, yes and yes. God yes. Having Urban Dictionary bookmarked has saved me a whole lot of agony on the internets. People should always look there first.

Also, if there’s an e-mail or story going around that you find hard to believe, Snopes is your friend.

122 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:08:30pm

re: #101 political lunatic

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

My understanding is that he wrecked his car under odd circumstances, his wife was pissed off, and this somehow led to him confessing that he had boffed some bimbos. Inexplicably, this has led to major media behaving as though the president had been caught buggering a goat in the middle of the Washington Mall.
Do I have that right?

123 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:08:30pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout
I don’t blame you for casting around wildly for something off the subject after that last comment.
You might want to think, though, before you accuse the next poster of having ’ dreams of mainstreaming racism’.

124 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:08:51pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

Eegad!! No IR from the sun? This reminds me of some of the less-than-learned communication I have received from creationists over the years.
One was interested in denying astronomical distances, since the universe has to be more than 6000 years old if anything is more than 6000 light-years away and we can see it. He gave a rebuttal of parallax shift that clearly showed he didn’t have a clue how it worked. He asserted that distances could only be measured with observations taken 6 months apart to the precise instant, as though astronomers could not compensate geometrically for a known change in their baseline. He went from there to red shift, asserting that it was actually caused by light passing through clouds of red dust on the way to the Earth. That is, he had no idea what a shift in spectrum really is.

I met many like that, to my detriment.

I still have trouble refraining from giggling hysterically when I meet a creationist, which usually triggers a severe slap from the wife.

125 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:09:01pm

re: #115 MandyManners
Hi, Mandy. How’s everything in the central division?

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:09:03pm

re: #25 Varek Raith

I know. I just chalk it up as her not knowing what the hell she’s talking about.

No, I think she knows exactly what she’s talking about. She’s talking about how Barack Obama is making us all FEEL less safe, and doing her level best to increase that level of discomfort.

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:09:43pm

re: #121 Lidane

Snopes is leftist propaganda.
/

128 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:09:57pm

This is WAYYY original!

129 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:10:21pm

re: #111 b_sharp

You quoted Gary Novak who is a loon. Not even the worst denialists are as crazy (I hope).

He’s the guy who thought Einstein should not have squared the speed of light in E = MC2 because light can’t go any faster than the speed of light.

It was posted by someone calling themselves catmann

130 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #114 MandyManners
Hope you’re all well by now. I’ve been there doing the grocery store shuffle on crutches after knee surgery…it wasn’t pretty. Distant memory.

131 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:11:30pm

re: #101 political lunatic

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

What the heck is wrong with you?

132 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:11:31pm

g’night.

watching teh golf now meself.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:12:35pm

re: #40 ralphieboy

The point is that Obama is reducing our number of nukes.

Michelle Bachman’s idea is that the more guns you have in your cellar/pickup truck/concealed under your vest, the safer you are. By extension, the greater number of nukes a nation possesses, the safer it is.

Obama is compromising that in her eyes. Just as all Americans have the God-given and constitutionally protected right to unlimited access and use of firearms, our God-fearing nation has the right to unlimited and unrestricted possession and use of nukes.

To quote a fictional president of Russia: “Why should we have the ability to destroy the world a hundred times over? Surely once is enough.”

134 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:12:36pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

She really is stupid enough to run as Sarah Palin’s VP!
Imagine if they won.

In that case, Skynet probably WILL start sending T-888s after us, and I’ll probably be on their side. Hopefully I’ll be partnered with a Cameron model.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:13:35pm

re: #41 tradewind

Like I said…
Where does she specifically say ’ we should nuke ‘em ‘?
Or are you just doing that ’ finish her sentence’ thingy ?

What exactly is the distinction between feeling unsafe because we have said we won’t nuke ‘em, and sayin that we should nuke ‘em?

I may be missing something.

136 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:13:59pm

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel

My understanding is that he wrecked his car under odd circumstances, his wife was pissed off, and this somehow led to him confessing that he had boffed some bimbos. Inexplicably, this has led to major media behaving as though the president had been caught buggering a goat in the middle of the Washington Mall.
Do I have that right?

Note to self: Anytime you maintain 14 mistresses on the side.. Password protect your Blackberry.. She was texting one of the Bimbos Thanksgiving Night.. Tiger is a great Athlete..But basically a pos as a person

137 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:16:04pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

What exactly is the distinction between feeling unsafe because we have said we won’t nuke ‘em, and sayin that we should nuke ‘em?

I may be missing something.

I think I once heard that it’s called deterrence.

138 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:17:24pm
I met many like that, to my detriment.

I still have trouble refraining from giggling hysterically when I meet a creationist, which usually triggers a severe slap from the wife.

I used to take a much more patient view with such types.

Now I simply want to stop them from polluting the intelligence of my nation and destroying our educational base. I am not above pointedly mocking them and doing my best to make others laugh at them.

The biggest enemy to unreasoned dogma is humor.

139 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:18:16pm

re: #137 Spare O’Lake

I think I once heard that it’s called deterrence.

How do nukes deter against someone who thinks the most sacred and holy act he can perform is dying while waging Jihad against infidels?

140 palomino  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:19:00pm

re: #7 tradewind

Okay, I understand the silliness. But where, exactly, does Bachmann call for a nuclear response? So far, I see her protesting that there is no possibility for one… which is not the same thing as advocating its use.

She practically salivates over the prospect of the US launching a nuclear attack.

But here you are rationalizing her moronic statment. Is there anything right wing hackery you won’t defend or apologize for?

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:19:30pm

re: #86 tradewind

Well, let’s see. Does the unadorned phrase ’ an athlete’ in any way carry a racial connotation?
Only if you are straining for it in the first place. With any criticism of President Obama, there will be those who will start from the fact that he is African American, and reach out for a degree of connection that makes any criticism a racial slur.

Given that Obama’s image is far more wonk/lawyer than athlete, does it not strike you as a touch…interesting…that he is being reworked as a dumb but talented basketball player?

This is the nicest way I can think of to say that the statement in question reeked with accumulated racism, and I can’t imagine anyone missing it unless they were dead determined to miss it.

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:19:52pm

re: #86 tradewind

Well, let’s see. Does the unadorned phrase ’ an athlete’ in any way carry a racial connotation?
Only if you are straining for it in the first place. With any criticism of President Obama, there will be those who will start from the fact that he is African American, and reach out for a degree of connection that makes any criticism a racial slur.

You’re a real slimebag, you know that?

143 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:20:08pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I think she knows exactly what she’s talking about. She’s talking about how Barack Obama is making us all FEEL less safe, and doing her level best to increase that level of discomfort.

If the rabid rabble sycophantic poor uneducated masses had an inkling of how many nukes it would take to make the Earth completely unlivable they would have a better understanding of why a reduction is a good thing.

Is it possible these people welcomed the radioactive cloud that circled the Earth after Chernobyl?

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:21:07pm

re: #101 political lunatic

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

I am probably close to your level of not giving a damn. Then again, I would have thought the Masters was a tennis championship if you hadn’t given me a context clue.

145 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:21:11pm

re: #139 negativ
Oddly enough, so far, they have. Otherwise, wouldn’t you think that the twelfth imam would have snuck out of that well by now and established his paradise?

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:21:34pm

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel

My understanding is that he wrecked his car under odd circumstances, his wife was pissed off, and this somehow led to him confessing that he had boffed some bimbos. Inexplicably, this has led to major media behaving as though the president had been caught buggering a goat in the middle of the Washington Mall.
Do I have that right?

Pretty much. After all, what the Tiger does with his unit is so much more important than the economy or the wars or AGW or the rise of racism in the US.

Honestly, the MSM needs to be slapped once in a while.

147 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:22:34pm

re: #139 negativ

How do nukes deter against someone who thinks the most sacred and holy act he can perform is dying while waging Jihad against infidels?

It might convince others who would suffer the consequences to restrain those who think “the most sacred and holy act he can perform is dying while waging Jihad against infidels”

148 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:22:49pm

re: #129 LudwigVanQuixote

It was posted by someone calling themselves catmann

catmann must be as stupid as Novak, and I was totally wrong.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:23:00pm

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

Snopes is leftist propaganda.
/

Years ago, I was on an e-mail list for a Jewish human rights organization. Everyone else was middle-aged, and they were constantly forwarding these internet rumors, mostly about companies doing awful things to Israel.

I kept Snopesing them.

They really didn’t appreciate it much.

150 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:23:28pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, I think that the image was more that of a grandstanding three-point shooter, if you are talking about the speech Gingrich gave. I am not sure, but I think he may have been saying ’ we need more leading and less look-at-what-I-just-did ‘. And the president does like to use athletic metaphors to talk about what he has accomplished…. not that there is anything wrong with that.

151 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:24:17pm

re: #139 negativ

How do nukes deter against someone who thinks the most sacred and holy act he can perform is dying while waging Jihad against infidels?

Hmmm, now let’s see…well, what if they’re afraid that they could get nuked at a moment when they’re not actually waging Jihad, like when they’re sitting on the can enjoying some camel pron?
I’m pretty sure they don’t get 70 virgins if they go that way.

152 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:24:35pm

re: #58 The Yankee

Told you guys I know people that can’t comprehend why we did’t nuke Vietnam.

They are numbers of people who seriously want us to nuke every other country in the Middle East. But do not understand how nuclear fall out would affect Israel, or just don’t care. These people are dead sober, some of them are Jewish. Most of them are adults, most have graduated High School and even college. None of this bother me till i realized how serious they were and now I have found out that one of these people have gotten elected. (That said the House is full of nuts on both sides)

I always think that maybe this is just their persona the face they show to get elected that they are smarter behind the scenes.

Before the People’s Republic of China got nukes, they were putting out stories almost constantly about how they weren’t afraid; the subways of Beijing were quite sufficient to blunt the impact, and anyhow, China had lots of people.

Then came the big day. They drilled a mile deep and put their bomb down in that hole and everybody assembled to see if instruments could detect the blast up there on the surface. The clock ticked to the appointed second, and nothing.

4
3
2
1
0
-1
-2
-3
-4
DUST!!!! The desert bounced. Their feet bounced under them. Oh, shit!

And from that day on, there has been no more silly talk out of that corner of the world.

We, too, know better. Those with the final responsibility, apparently, get good old fear of God briefings. They get film of tests from back when, perhaps. There are institutional safeguards as well. When Nixon was twisting in the winds of impeachment, the JCS issued instructions that any military orders must go strictly through channels, and no one, absolutely no one, was to act on any order that didn’t go through channels, no matter who it came from. {unspoken but there between the lines, and most particularly not if it came from Nixon.}

And when Khrushchev ordered the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces to attack the U.S. over the Cuban missile blockade (he did give the order), his SRF officers told him he cannot do that. He replied, but why not? We win, easily. They replied, well, that’s what we told you, because that’s what you wanted to hear. But in reality, if we do this, it will be the end of Mother Russia. You cannot issue that order.

And not long after, he was replaced.

It is our responsibility to elect leaders who understand the gravity of nukes. And if we fail in that responsibility, reality will hold us to account with our lives.

153 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:24:40pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist
Snopes is a very good tool, but every now and then they have been known to be wrong, so it pays to not totally rely on them.

154 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:24:41pm

re: #150 tradewind

You’ve gone round the bend.

Image: steamboat_%20round_the_bend_435_600.jpg

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:24:48pm

re: #137 Spare O’Lake

I think I once heard that it’s called deterrence.

We still have plenty of deterrence, and believe you me, all the bad guys know it. And sleep with one eye open.

Except for Kim Jong Il, who sleeps like a baby, but that’s because he mixes Valium with Scotch.

156 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:25:54pm

re: #153 tradewind

They’re about a zillion times more accurate than you are, though.

157 stevemcg  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:26:49pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Note to self: Anytime you maintain 14 mistresses on the side.. Password protect your Blackberry.. She was texting one of the Bimbos Thanksgiving Night.. Tiger is a great Athlete..But basically a pos as a person

I had always thought he told Elin he invested her half of the money in Dubai World.

158 Batman  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:26:51pm

re: #150 tradewind

Actually, I think that the image was more that of a grandstanding three-point shooter, if you are talking about the speech Gingrich gave. I am not sure, but I think he may have been saying ’ we need more leading and less look-at-what-I-just-did ‘. And the president does like to use athletic metaphors to talk about what he has accomplished… not that there is anything wrong with that.

So, instead of look-at-what-I-just-did, he should be more look-what-I’m-about-to-do, as in, “Now watch this drive!” Is that what Gingrich is getting at?

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:27:06pm

re: #145 tradewind

Oddly enough, so far, they have. Otherwise, wouldn’t you think that the twelfth imam would have snuck out of that well by now and established his paradise?

Be very careful. The idea that an interest in survival and maintaining earthly power motivates the mullahs of Iran is my argument around here, and it usually gets me a long lecture on how totally gung-ho for martyrdom they are. I’m not saying you can’t join my side, just warning you that we meet with a lot of flak.

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:27:15pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

Some people just can’t stand having their biases debunked by facts. They prefer to wrap lies around themselves like warm blankets. Take that away from them, and they get cranky.

/don’t touch my wubbie!

161 Kilroy01  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:27:17pm

re: #152 lostlakehiker

Yes it all depends on your point of view. The pilot of that stolen MIG-25 talked about fighting China his book MIG Pilot. I think he said, “Kill a million a day and you still have three years of work ahead of you…”

162 cliffster  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:27:48pm

re: #115 MandyManners

((MANDY))

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:28:52pm

re: #150 tradewind

Actually, I think that the image was more that of a grandstanding three-point shooter, if you are talking about the speech Gingrich gave. I am not sure, but I think he may have been saying ’ we need more leading and less look-at-what-I-just-did ‘. And the president does like to use athletic metaphors to talk about what he has accomplished… not that there is anything wrong with that.

I am fairly sure that’s not what he was trying to say. Gingrich has been in this game a long time, he does not casually use language.

164 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:28:56pm

re: #154 Obdicut
Chacon a son gout. But this endless characterizing of those with which you disagree as ’ round the bend ’ is really tacky.

165 sandbox  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:29:16pm

re: #145 tradewind
Bomb the Well!

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:29:21pm

re: #151 Spare O’Lake

Hmmm, now let’s see…well, what if they’re afraid that they could get nuked at a moment when they’re not actually waging Jihad, like when they’re sitting on the can enjoying some camel pron?
I’m pretty sure they don’t get 70 virgins if they go that way.

Why not? You’re still a martyr.

167 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:29:41pm

re: #156 Obdicut
Zingy!
May I have another?

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:30:20pm

re: #153 tradewind

Snopes is a very good tool, but every now and then they have been known to be wrong, so it pays to not totally rely on them.

I don’t know as I’d trust them with my life, but as a resource they’ve served me well. What notable errors have they made?

169 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:30:23pm

re: #1 Varek Raith

Image: terminatrix.gif

170 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:31:21pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist
You may be right…. we just disagree there. I don’t believe that Gingrich is considered a racist pol.
Well, maybe by KT.//

171 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:31:41pm

re: #164 tradewind

I consider it a lot more tacky for you to call the murdering assholes in the Contra “Freedom fighters”

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

/and no, WUB, I don’t mean the arcade game.

172 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:32:20pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think they are wrong often. I am just saying that I read an article, will have to go try to look it up, some tech blog or other, showing that they have not been 100%. I use them as well.

173 cliffster  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:32:32pm

re: #101 political lunatic

I wonder if I’m the only person in America who doesn’t give a damn about Tiger Woods playing at the Masters. There’s more important things to worry about, even within the realm of sports.

Tiger is the best athlete who ever lived. That’s why I like to watch him play. No different than before.

And before you go bashing his personal life, don’t forget the tens of thousands of kids he’s helping with his Learning Center, and the countless hours of his very limited free time he spends trying to help kids. He acted badly towards his family, but take a look at all your male friends - I bet at least 70% of them would have acted the exact same way. Men are garbage. It is what it is. I’m not an apologist for Tiger, I just think men are wired to be different from what society wants them to be.

174 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:32:34pm

re: #148 b_sharp

catmann must be as stupid as Novak, and I was totally wrong.

Well he is certainly astonishingly stupid. I have been going through his links:

Here is a gem:

The claim that humans put 30% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is fraud for many reasons. The claim is based on ice core measurements which are in conflict with direct measurements.

Now of course, there is no way he could trouble himself to look st the direct measurements or take the time to support his statements. To any domgmatist, the state of the universe is taken on his word alone. What else is needed he thinks. He said so, so sayeth the shepherd, so sayeth the flock. Who needs data?

There can be no more intense assault on science than this.

So what does the data and the evidence actually say?

Well here are some direct measurements of CO2

[Link: scrippsco2.ucsd.edu…]

When you actually look at the atmosphere directly using optical means, you see the rise in CO2 quite strikingly.

175 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #171 Obdicut
Yeah, not a Reagan fan. Got it.

176 sagehen  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:33:27pm

re: #146 LudwigVanQuixote

Pretty much. After all, what the Tiger does with his unit is so much more important than the economy or the wars or AGW or the rise of racism in the US.

Honestly, the MSM needs to be slapped once in a while.

Weeelllll…. for those who judge the economy by the DOW, Tiger’s loss of reputation did cause price-drops for every company who uses him in their advertising.

177 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:34:04pm

re: #139 negativ

How do nukes deter against someone who thinks the most sacred and holy act he can perform is dying while waging Jihad against infidels?

Any nation must have some sort of collection of sensible, reality-grounded people near the top. Otherwise, nothing works and nothing gets done and then there are bread riots or electricity-is-out riots or price-of-gasoline riots.

We saw just that just a few days ago, when the government of Kyrgyzstan fell. These people, though, are not wearers of rose colored glasses and will no more drink “Islamic” Koolaid than they would drink Rev Jim Jones’ “Christian” Koolaid.

We cannot deter Hitlers, but we can deter the likes of Albert Speer. Cruel they may be, and psychopathically uninterested in the suffering of outsiders. But they aren’t indifferent to their own families and the families of all their friends and all the towns and villages they’ve known.

178 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:34:26pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Why not? You’re still a martyr.

I’m gonna have to do a google fatwah search and get back to you.

179 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:35:31pm

re: #174 LudwigVanQuixote

For those who may be searching, the spelling is actually “catmman”.

180 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:35:48pm

re: #176 sagehen

Weeelll… for those who judge the economy by the DOW, Tiger’s loss of reputation did cause price-drops for every company who uses him in their advertising.

Which would not have happened if we actually cared about important things and didn’t fixate on the sex lives of others.

181 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:36:09pm

re: #157 stevemcg
If he’d said Doobie World, I’d believe him……

182 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:36:54pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

For those who may be searching, the spelling is actually “catmman”.

Thank you.

I am actually appalled at his personal blog pimping. But I do hope he sees this thread and decides to come out and play.

I could use a snack.

183 Batman  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:37:11pm

Anyone who thinks any country is now saying, “Great, the americans said they won’t retaliate! Now’s our chance to attack. Let’s kill millions of them! They promised…” isn’t being real. It doesn’t matter what we say now, the minute an attack happens all of that goes out the window, and they know it.

184 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:37:52pm

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

McCain is top tweeter as lawmakers embrace social networking.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]

That’s interesting but not truly surprising. John McCain has never been a technology dummy.

185 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:38:12pm

re: #175 tradewind

Yeah, not a Reagan fan. Got it.

It has nothing to do with being a Reagan fan. It has to do with you whitewashing an asshole group of terrorist, nun-murdering thugs as freedom fighters.

That you even attempt to talk about terrorism and insurgery while giving a pass to the Contras is insane.

Thus:

186 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:38:53pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

For those who may be searching, the spelling is actually “catmman”.

catmman

Karma: 1
Registered since: Jan 19, 2008 at 6:30 pm

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In two years - 462 links; only 16 comments

187 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:39:15pm

re: #169 negativ

Image: terminatrix.gif

So Obama really is The Chosen One!

/

188 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:40:04pm

re: #180 LudwigVanQuixote

Which would not have happened if we actually cared about important things and didn’t fixate on the sex lives of others.

So you’re saying that you don’t care about anyone else’s pleasure except your own?

189 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:40:32pm

re: #161 Kilroy01

Yes it all depends on your point of view. The pilot of that stolen MIG-25 talked about fighting China his book MIG Pilot. I think he said, “Kill a million a day and you still have three years of work ahead of you…”

But that was silly talk. With nukes, a million a day is slacking off. Those weapons are so destructive that a billion lives can be cut down with one barrage.

And all this analysis of who gets hit with what misses a point that has only recently been understood: cities burn. A thermonuclear fireball above a burning city would lift far into the stratosphere a pall of microscopic fine soot particles, which would then cloud the earth for years or decades to come. Burn too many cities, and you will have years of freezing cold and near midnight darkness even at high noon. Even a “small” nuclear war would cure the hell out of global warming for a few years and we’d need stringent rationing and desperate measures (think planting Georgia with barley and potatoes) to pull through.

190 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:41:08pm

re: #188 Spare O’Lake

So you’re saying that you don’t care about anyone else’s pleasure except your own?

Don’t put words in his mouth. That’s not what he said.

191 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:41:46pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

/

192 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:43:36pm

re: #186 reine.de.tout

Makes you wonder if that “1” karma is forged or something.

193 cliffster  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:44:12pm

People don’t care about celebrities because companies use them as spokesmen, companies use celebrities as spokesmen because people care about them. It’s annoying for those of us with heads screwed on enough to see through it, but that’s the way it is.

194 sandbox  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:44:54pm

re: #183 nonsense

If that is the case then why did Pres, Obama say we wouldn’t consider using nukes to retaliate if we were hit with biological or chemical weapons. ?

195 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:45:47pm

re: #191 Spare O’Lake

Sniping at Ludwig just makes you look like an ass.

196 Kilroy01  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:47:22pm

re: #189 lostlakehiker
War is all Hell, nuclear war doubly so.

Wonder when we stopped thinking we could have a winnable nuclear war.

Just remember “Duck and Cover!”

197 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:47:52pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Makes you wonder if that “1” karma is forged or something.

Self-gratification, perhaps
LOL

198 sandbox  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:48:40pm

re: #196 Kilroy01

O we’ll all go together when we go, every hotentot and every eskimo……

199 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:48:49pm

re: #185 Obdicut
Pretty colors!

200 Batman  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:49:21pm

re: #194 sandbox

Because this is before the fact? Besides, nukes are probably always going to be lower on the list of things to do after an attack, regardless of type or perpetrator. We can do as much damage with conventional weapons without the downsides of nukes. If you told Iran, “We’re not going to nuke you no matter what. But we will bomb the everloving shit out of you with conventional bombs if you try something,” they’d shit their drawers and then act tough before scrapping whatever plans for attack they had. Of course that last part is hyperbole — they wouldn’t have a plan in the first place because they already know we’d fuck them up. Nukes don’t really matter.

201 Kilroy01  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:49:32pm

re: #198 sandbox

Ah Tom Lerher.. Love it..

202 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:49:55pm

re: #195 Obdicut
Pot, meet kettle……..

203 sandbox  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:51:21pm

re: #200 nonsense

Our president should not be taking options off the table. Who asked him to do it.? It projects weakness to our enemies.

204 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:51:41pm

re: #202 tradewind

What have I done that you consider ‘sniping’, tradewind?

I’m kind of interested in hearing your definition, given that you call murderous groups of thugs that ambush and kill American citizens “Freedom fighters”.

205 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:52:37pm

re: #152 lostlakehiker

That is an excellent post.

Nukes are terrible things. They are not expressions of power or justifications of anything. Only the most lowbrow asshole would actually like them. Only the most childish see them as a “ohhh we will soooo get you!” fantasy.

A real understanding of just how terrible they are would help.

The problem that science faces as a core moral argument, is that we must push science forward in order to address so very many of the problems humanity faces. However, with each new discovery comes the potential for abuse and the unlocking of power that most of humanity is simply not responsible enough to use properly.

We do have powers today that our ancestors could only have attributed to divine agency.

We can make our own apocalypse.

We could cause the extinction of our species. We could do it in a two hour nuclear exchange. That is just reality. Do you honestly trust anyone with such power? Yet every nuclear nation, must trust that their leadership will be wise. The genie will not return to the bottle.

Or - we can just keep dumping CO2 up there and crash our civilization that way.

The misuse of science always stems from a lack of humility and a desire to have one’s cake and eat it too. The consequences of actions are easily forgotten. The science itself tells you what those consequences will be.

I will wax theological a bit.

In Judaism, the mechanism of G-d’s mercy vs. G-d’s Judgement is the following:

When you do something stupid that should have gotten you killed - and it doesn’t kill you - that was G-d’s mercy. It might not even have been a mercy for your merit. I had a friend who rather miraculously walked away from a devastating car wreck. It was literally one of those cases where an inch to the left or an inch to the right would have meant certain death for him.

He told this story in Yeshiva. The rabbi looked at him and said, in addition to thanking G-d, you should thank your mother. She’s a good woman. She didn’t need the pain of your death.

But what about Justice? We justice is G-d just lets physics take its course. The equations of physics do not discriminate. They do not have emotions, let alone pity. If your body gets too hot or too cold or burnt or filled with holes or blown up, you will die. If you don’t get food, water or air, entropy wins and you die.

There is no reprieve. When the bullet hits, momentum is conserved. Your brains splatter against the wall and you die.

In the end, humanity deludes itself that somehow, death is for other people and that physics does not apply to themselves. If we nuke here or pollute there, it is someone else’s problem.

This is of course false. And physics always wins.

206 Batman  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:54:42pm

re: #203 sandbox

That’s certainly one way to look at it. Another is that it’s to create feelings of peace and security. Yes, security. Ramping up tensions by throwing your testicles all over the place often just pisses people off more. Sometimes less is more. They just need to know if they fuck with us they’ll be screwed fast and hard. And we have the capability to do just that, nukes or no. I find it absurd to think that it makes us look less overpowered in today’s world. Speak softly and carry a big stick.

207 sandbox  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:56:32pm

re: #206 nonsense

That’s a reasonable point of view for a poster on LGF. It is not a responsible policy for the President of the United States to declare., IMHO

208 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:57:12pm

re: #204 Obdicut
Attacking someone’s position is fine. Always falling back on the old ’ wow, you’re crazy ’ thing is just sniping.
(Not to mention uninspired).

209 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:58:39pm

re: #208 tradewind

You don’t know what ‘sniping’ means, then. That’s fine.

210 tradewind  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:00:37pm

re: #209 Obdicut
Bless your heart, you can’t help it.
Never mind.

211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:03:04pm

re: #209 Obdicut

re: #210 tradewind

Is this sniping really needed?

212 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:07:23pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Heh. Don’t you start.

Tradewind did literally call the Contra ‘freedom fighters’. That’s not something I can let go very easily.

I think it’s lame for Spare O’Lake to snipe at Ludwig. I think it’s lame for Tradewind to use my objection as a chance to call me a hypocrite, and I reserve the right to defend myself against that charge, since it’s one that’s important to me.

I don’t think Tradewind is having a very good day, but that doesn’t mean he needs to try to pick fights.

However, you’re right that it’s done to death at this point, so there will be no more out of me on the subject.

213 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:09:22pm

re: #212 Obdicut

Thank you.

214 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:17:25pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

By the way, you might be interested in the argument at the end of the last thread.

215 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:18:13pm

re: #195 Obdicut

Sniping at Ludwig just makes you look like an ass.

It wasn’t a snipe, you humourless bunch of thin-skinned dweebs.

216 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:21:12pm

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

I’m not a bunch, I’m a pod.

217 jaunte  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:45:47pm
Many cyber attacks are perpetrated by distributed networks called “botnets,” consisting of thousands of computers infected with viruses that let them be used without the owner’s knowledge. Who the hell does Bachmann think she’s going to nuke?


Mars needs technical consultants.

218 Decider  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:54:22pm

I’d still hit it. I think the crazy in this one would make it even better.

219 bosforus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:30:09pm

re: #218 Decider

I’d still hit it. I think the crazy in this one would make it even better.

So this is where you to come to talk about your Bachmann sexual fantasies? Cool, bro.


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