Amazon’s Free Kindle Apps

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External Image for a variety of computers and mobile devices.

I installed the Mac and iPhone versions and they both work well, with a few caveats. The Mac version isn’t very Mac-like; it looks like it was written with a non-standard graphic interface framework. And none of these apps currently support copy and paste.

But they do have one big advantage over the Kindle reader. Even though the Kindle itself is a gray-scale device, the computer/mobile apps display the full color information that’s actually in Kindle books — covers and interior illustrations. (The e-ink technology used by the Kindle reader is still easier on the eyes, though, than a backlit screen.)

One book that looks especially nice in color (and that I highly recommend) is Scott Kelby’s The Digital Photography Book, Volume 2External Image, with lots of photographic illustrations, info on putting together a set of photography tools like softboxes and filters without spending a fortune, and tips on using your tools effectively to take good photos.

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1 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:13:25pm

Trying to keep up with the Joneses? Er, the Ipads?
(Just jealous snark, I kinda want both..)

2 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:16:35pm

I first downloaded their PC reader so I could see the diagrams and pics in Neil Shubin’s and Michael Shermer’s books better.

3 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:29:45pm
…and tips on using your tools effectively…

You can never have enough tips.

4 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:37:22pm

heh, Charles is getting Swoopo ads now…

5 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:50:39pm

I downloaded and installed the iPhone version before I ever bought my own Kindle. I bought Kindle books and read them on the iPhone before I ever bought the Kindle.

You can synchronize between the two on the fly, so if you’re stuck somewhere without your Kindle and want to keep reading “The Complete Tales of H.P. Lovecraft”, you don’t miss a beat.

Of course, there’s no built-in dictionary or notes or other perks, like on the Kindle, but if you’re really stuck for a definition, you can look it up on the iPhone version of the compleat Am. Herit. Dict., for a mere $35.00 (bought when I could afford pricey iPhone apps).

Charles, do you think Amazon might be intentionally killing the Kindle to cash in on the iPad?

6 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:55:23pm

re: #5 Cato the Elder

Charles, do you think Amazon might be intentionally killing the Kindle to cash in on the iPad?

Things like that are usually loss-leaders so it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. The lion’s share of their profits come from the sales of the books themselves and not the hardware.

7 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:56:18pm

re: #5 Cato the Elder

Charles, do you think Amazon might be intentionally killing the Kindle to cash in on the iPad?

By releasing these free apps? Well, Amazon’s money isn’t really coming from sales of the Kindle reader — the long term profit comes from book sales.

I still find the Kindle the most comfortable for reading, though. When I’m reading a novel I don’t really care about color or flashy page turning animations.

8 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:57:56pm

There’s been speculation recently that Apple is going to reposition over time from being a hardware / device company into being a media company. With their Itunes store, and the app store I can see Amazon and others fretting over “I-Books” …

Meanwhile the redbuds are now blooming:
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9 freetoken  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:58:42pm

Curmudgeon that I am, I still prefer books. Just not the same reading stuff on the computer. Maybe someday I’ll get an iPad and all that will change, but for now I’m still attached to dead trees.

10 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:00:57pm

re: #7 Charles

By releasing these free apps? Well, Amazon’s money isn’t really coming from sales of the Kindle reader — the long term profit comes from book sales.

I still find the Kindle the most comfortable for reading, though. When I’m reading a novel I don’t really care about color or flashy page turning animations.

I like books. I like books made of paper that smell like books. Call me old fashioned.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

11 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:01:05pm

re: #7 Charles

By releasing these free apps? Well, Amazon’s money isn’t really coming from sales of the Kindle reader — the long term profit comes from book sales.

I still find the Kindle the most comfortable for reading, though. When I’m reading a novel I don’t really care about color or flashy page turning animations.

You’re right - for now. I vastly prefer my Kindle for “real” reading.

But I’m betting that Amazon is betting that Apple can do it better - the iPad being a proof of concept - and that they’ll happily relinquish their hardware predominance for a major boost in books sales.

12 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:02:11pm

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

I like books. I like books made of paper that smell like books. Call me old fashioned.

They certainly look better on the shelf.

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:03:02pm

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

I like books. I like books made of paper that smell like books. Call me old fashioned.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

Me too. Ludwig, you should make that phrase part of your sig when people click on your avatar. Also, could you repost the stalker smack down you posted two threads back?

14 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:03:44pm

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

I like books. I like books made of paper that smell like books. Call me old fashioned.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

The Kindle is like most other technology. Once you have it, you don’t know how you lived without it.

15 bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:04:33pm

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16 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:05:25pm

I think cloud computing and the moves that Google is making has a lot of “device” sellers worried - eventually everyone might be a software or media company that’s open and device transparent.
The next big wave will be in homes — with wifi routers becoming ubiquitous across the country more and more devices in the home including most media are going to end up transportable within your network.
E.G. there’s not good reason that I can’t stream a DVD I buy from amazon into my car player or up to my Flatscreen in the bedroom, just as I should be able to stream a tune to my car, or upstairs. There are standards that are lacking right now, but those will come over the next decade or so.
There’s some good startup companies to be created out there around that home control system.

Think in terms of voice and motion control of your lights, displays, sound devices, phones, cameras, alarms, thermostats, etc. all integrated into your home router network…

17 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:06:35pm

re: #16 Thanos

I think cloud computing and the moves that Google is making has a lot of “device” sellers worried - eventually everyone might be a software or media company that’s open and device transparent.
The next big wave will be in homes — with wifi routers becoming ubiquitous across the country more and more devices in the home including most media are going to end up transportable within your network.
E.G. there’s not good reason that I can’t stream a DVD I buy from amazon into my car player or up to my Flatscreen in the bedroom, just as I should be able to stream a tune to my car, or upstairs. There are standards that are lacking right now, but those will come over the next decade or so.
There’s some good startup companies to be created out there around that home control system.

Think in terms of voice and motion control of your lights, displays, sound devices, phones, cameras, alarms, thermostats, etc. all integrated into your home router network…

I wanna know when we get our jetpacks.

18 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:07:50pm

re: #12 NJDhockeyfan

They certainly look better on the shelf.

True. The Kindle can hold up to 1,500 books on average. How impressive is that (a Kindle all by itself on a teeny-weeny shelf) when you’ve got a hot date with a 24-year-old grad student who needs things to look at while you mix her a drink?

I’ve got an apartment crammed full of dead-tree books, and the ones that won’t fit are stored in boxes in the basement, the garage, and a separate pay-by-the-month storage facility. At some point I’ll have to downsize, but it will be more painful than I can think about right now.

Horrid old acid-smelling Isaac Asimov novels that my dad gave me to read when I was twelve. How can I relinquish my patrimony?

19 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:08:00pm

re: #14 marjoriemoon

The Kindle is like most other technology. Once you have it, you don’t know how you lived without it.

I am not trying to put anyone down. I can still love and admire anyone who likes kindal - and I am impressed with the idea of cross referencing multiple sources on the fly - I assume it can do that?

However, for myself, being able to make notes in margins and curling up in bed with a nice comfy book is not something I could do without and any home not lined with books along every shelf, simply would not feel like home to me.

20 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:08:02pm

re: #17 marjoriemoon

I know it all sounds kinda crazy, but these changes are going to come pretty fast over the next few years, and some of the more surprising ones can’t be predicted yet.

21 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:09:02pm

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF

Ohhh and…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

I will remember to put that at the end of my posts!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

22 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:10:46pm

re: #18 Cato the Elder

True. The Kindle can hold up to 1,500 books on average. How impressive is that (a Kindle all by itself on a teeny-weeny shelf) when you’ve got a hot date with a 24-year-old grad student who needs things to look at while you mix her a drink?

I’ve got an apartment crammed full of dead-tree books, and the ones that won’t fit are stored in boxes in the basement, the garage, and a separate pay-by-the-month storage facility. At some point I’ll have to downsize, but it will be more painful than I can think about right now.

Horrid old acid-smelling Isaac Asimov novels that my dad gave me to read when I was twelve. How can I relinquish my patrimony?

I’m somewhat in the same shape, I’ve got boxes of books strewn from one end of the country to another, in attics at friends houses, or in garages in Alaska, or in storage units in CA… it’s kinda nuts. There is that guy who invented his own robot book scanner that puts them into PDF’s, maybe I’ll build myself one…

23 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:12:47pm

re: #20 Thanos

I know it all sounds kinda crazy, but these changes are going to come pretty fast over the next few years, and some of the more surprising ones can’t be predicted yet.

I’m teasing you. I just thought we were promised jetpacks at some point.

Having it all hooked up to your network would be awesome.

24 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:16:37pm

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not trying to put anyone down. I can still love and admire anyone who likes kindal - and I am impressed with the idea of cross referencing multiple sources on the fly - I assume it can do that?

However, for myself, being able to make notes in margins and curling up in bed with a nice comfy book is not something I could do without and any home not lined with books along every shelf, simply would not feel like home to me.

Oh I know, but it’s true, isn’t it? Cell phones, Tivo. We are a one Kindle household and hubby is the avid reader so he takes it with him. I’ve been waiting my turn but it looks I may have to save for my own.

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:16:59pm

re: #18 Cato the Elder

True. The Kindle can hold up to 1,500 books on average. How impressive is that (a Kindle all by itself on a teeny-weeny shelf) when you’ve got a hot date with a 24-year-old grad student who needs things to look at while you mix her a drink?

I recently got the GF a 1902 printing of Kipling’s Just so Stories with the original illustrations by the author.

She was um demonstrative about how romantic she thought that was.

26 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:17:37pm

Oh and…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:19:50pm

re: #16 Thanos

Think in terms of voice and motion control of your lights, displays, sound devices, phones, cameras, alarms, thermostats, etc. all integrated into your home router network…

I’ve seen a fair amount of that sort of thing on “This Old House” type shows. Wicked cool tech, and none of it cheap.

I’ve learned quite a bit about networking, but if I ever “win the lottery” I will take a few more classes and network-up my house something crazy.

/Maybe even install a missile defense system I can control from the toilet.

28 freetoken  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:19:53pm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

What young pups may not be aware… giving a gf a children’s book sends an overwhelmingly strong message.

29 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:20:06pm

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh and…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

lol Wouldn’t it be easier to put it in your profile?

30 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:20:53pm

re: #24 marjoriemoon

Oh I know, but it’s true, isn’t it? Cell phones, Tivo. We are a one Kindle household and hubby is the avid reader so he takes it with him. I’ve been waiting my turn but it looks I may have to save for my own.

I beg your pardon, I never promised you a jet garden… XD

Where is my flying car while we are on that subject?

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31 Bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:21:01pm

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32 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:22:48pm

re: #28 freetoken

What young pups may not be aware… giving a gf a children’s book sends an overwhelmingly strong message.

Oooh, what’d you do?
Enquiring minds & all that…

33 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:24:23pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

I just thought we were promised jetpacks at some point.

Patience my dear…they are coming!

Hi-Tech Jetpack Available This Fall

You should be able to buy a Martin Jetpack this fall. It has a 31.5 mile range and a maximum speed of 63 miles per hour.

Naturally, you’re eager to get started, but how do you use it? Martin Jetpack has got your back:

The Martin Jetpack is a unique aircraft and all owners are required to pass the Martin Aircraft Company approved training program before receipt of their aircraft.

The Martin Jetpack complies with the FAA Part 103 Ultralight Regulations. The Ultralight class does not require an FAA recognised pilot’s license. However to attempt to fly any aircraft without professional instruction is extremely foolhardy.

Martin Aircraft Company have devised a unique training program which all owners are required to pass. The program is modelled on the standard helicopter training program with parts of the Bell Rocket Belt and Harrier training programs incorporated.

Training for the first 10 owners will take place in New Zealand.

Oh, and just in case:

Production versions of the Jetpack are equipped with a Ballistic Parachute system from Ballistic Recovery Systems. This enables the pilot to be saved from a catastrophic failure down to a reasonably low altitude. Ballistic parachutes can open at very low altitudes, particularly if the aircraft has some forward speed.

The price? According to their website: “Depending on production volume, the initial cost will be about the same as a high-end motorcycle or car. As volume increases this will drop to be similar to a mid-range motorcycle or car.”

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:24:44pm

re: #28 freetoken

What young pups may not be aware… giving a gf a children’s book sends an overwhelmingly strong message.

Yes it does. I have to confess we can be disgustingly cute together - oh and she is a 26 year old graduate student - in classics - so her love of old musty tomes matches my own. But the beauty of Just so Stories is that they are just as charming when read as adults. Very few authors can pull that off.

re: #29 marjoriemoon

lol Wouldn’t it be easier to put it in your profile?

Yes it would but I like the idea of people seeing it regularly and I particularly like that the trogs who troll this blog will eventually look it up if they see it enough.

I mean take one look at him. Isn’t it obvious that there is some serious double recessive action going on there?

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

35 freetoken  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:24:53pm

re: #32 Floral Giraffe

It was Ludwig, he pulled out one of the 5 star moves from the little black book of secrets males need to know.

36 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:25:29pm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

I recently got the GF a 1902 printing of Kipling’s Just so Stories with the original illustrations by the author.

She was um demonstrative about how romantic she thought that was.

I am so sorry to hear that. You sure you don’t want to date my sister instead?

There’s Cato’s incredibly smart and loving little niece who would be part of the bargain.

37 kingkenrod  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:25:48pm

Tina Fey’s goof on the “Sarah Palin Network” tonight in SNL is worth watching if you didn’t see it. There’s even a teabonics joke.

Youtube Video

I’m sure NBC will get it removed from youtube soon.

38 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:26:06pm

re: #33 NJDhockeyfan

Whoa. May I say, for my self, George Jetson and the entire Jetson clan, I am very impressed!

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:26:16pm

re: #32 Floral Giraffe

Oooh, what’d you do?
Enquiring minds & all that…

I got the GF a 1902 edition of Just so Stories with the original illustrations by Kipling himself.

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:26:56pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

I am so sorry to hear that. You sure you don’t want to date my sister instead?

There’s Cato’s incredibly smart and loving little niece who would be part of the bargain.

Woah are you trying to fix me up too? Thanks. I am actually honored.

41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:27:36pm

Ohh and damn it!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

42 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:27:55pm

re: #37 kingkenrod

Tina Fey’s goof on the “Sarah Palin Network” tonight in SNL is worth watching if you didn’t see it. There’s even a teabonics joke.


[Video]

I’m sure NBC will get it removed from youtube soon.

“Who’re so overweight they picket from folding chairs…”

LMFAO!

43 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:28:17pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

Online Tales of the Punjab
[Link: digital.library.upenn.edu…]

44 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:28:24pm

re: #35 freetoken

It was Ludwig, he pulled out one of the 5 star moves from the little black book of secrets males need to know.

LOL!
That little black book is f’awesome.
Priceless even.
I fell for a LOT of that stuff, once upon a time.
Ludwig, you’re going to marry her.
Just get on with it.
The gene pool needs you both, to start early & have many.

45 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:28:51pm

re: #38 marjoriemoon

Whoa. May I say, for my self, George Jetson and the entire Jetson clan, I am very impressed!

The video is cool!

Youtube Video
46 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:29:07pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

You’re trading your female relatives.
Why!
You old Roman, you!

47 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:29:29pm

re: #43 Thanos

Online Tales of the Punjab
[Link: digital.library.upenn.edu…]

WOW! Great link Thanos!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

48 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:31:26pm

re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote

Every day you wait, is another bright kid you owe humanity!
Your wife isn’t going to be loving another 10 or so.


(I’m getting offensively silly. Don’t want to hurt Ludwigs feelings.)

49 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:31:39pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

Woah are you trying to fix me up too? Thanks. I am actually honored.

Well, my sister knows about bibliophia and would not disappoint in that regard.

For the rest, if you’re ever in the Baltimore area, may I suggest a mano-a-mano with me first, and then we go to meet the fam?

50 freetoken  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:36:47pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

At the gym tonight I saw this young couple (no ring on the finger), probably 18 or 19 year olds. It looked like the guy brought his girl, as he was doing the exercises and she was just watching. It was a pathetic display of young-male stupidity.

OTOH, we have Ludwig, who does the “I want to be the father of your children, and a good one dammit!” move…

I remember… many years ago I was at a social event, and a young girl (about 4 yo) was having a hard time seeing watching the event so I lifted her up to watch… her (single) mother noticed of course, and it wasn’t long after that we were dating.

Sending the “father material/fatherhood interest” signal is the male’s ace in the hole, so to speak…

51 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:37:21pm

This story needs to be posted:

Far-right party poised to make gains in Hungary

From the article:

Jobbik’s rise also has been aided by the popularity of the Magyar Garda, or Hungarian Guard, an extremist group whose uniforms are reminiscent of those worn in the 1940s by the Arrow Cross, Hungary’s infamous wartime Nazi party.

The Garda was co-founded by Jobbik leader Gabor Vona, although he is no longer an active member. It was disbanded last year by the courts for breaking laws governing the operation of groups and associations, but it continues to exist under a new name.

“I will keep my promise to go into parliament on the first day in a Garda vest,” Vona said at Jobbik’s campaign closer in Budapest.

The Garda’s most confrontational actions have been a series of marches through small countryside towns and villages meant to intimidate their large Gypsy populations and stop what Jobbik calls “Gypsy crimes” — mostly petty thefts too numerous and considered too minor for police to deal with.

An unprecedented series of Roma killings in 2008 and 2009 claimed six lives in several villages, reflecting the depth of hatred against the minority.

I hate Hungarian Nazis! This pack reminds me of the SA, and that’s a very bad thing.

52 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:37:55pm

re: #42 JasonA

“Who’re so overweight they picket from folding chairs…”

LMFAO!

Cheeto dust upon their breasts
These men think they’re America’s best!
100 men will gorge today!
But only fatties are screen berets!

They talk trash from their porch
They would chase you down if they could!
100 men will binge today
But only fatties are screen berets!

They hate libruhls and gays too!
There manhoods hidden ‘neath rolling lard
They can’t see if they get hard!
But only fatties are screen berets!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

53 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:39:20pm

1,300 U.S. troops stranded at airfield in Kyrgyzstan, military says

About 1,300 U.S. troops have been stuck at the Manas airfield in Kyrgyzstan because of the civil unrest there.

A U.S. military spokesman, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the security situation, said the troops have been unable to move because of the suspension of U.S. military operations at the airfield.

The airfield in the former Soviet republic has been a transit point for troops and supplies moving in and out of the war zone in Afghanistan.

The spokesman said there are some refueling flights being run out of Manas but said that any decisions on future passenger flights will be made on a case-by-case basis.

The stranded troops include those coming home from Afghanistan and others going into the war zone. The spokesman said it is not known when the airfield will reopen and it is not yet certain how the troops will be moved out.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:41:35pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

1,300 U.S. troops stranded at airfield in Kyrgyzstan, military says

About 1,300 U.S. troops have been stuck at the Manas airfield in Kyrgyzstan because of the civil unrest there.

A U.S. military spokesman, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the security situation, said the troops have been unable to move because of the suspension of U.S. military operations at the airfield.

The airfield in the former Soviet republic has been a transit point for troops and supplies moving in and out of the war zone in Afghanistan.

The spokesman said there are some refueling flights being run out of Manas but said that any decisions on future passenger flights will be made on a case-by-case basis.

The stranded troops include those coming home from Afghanistan and others going into the war zone. The spokesman said it is not known when the airfield will reopen and it is not yet certain how the troops will be moved out.

Nothing to be done there but wait. We have to see how the situation shakes out.

55 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:44:57pm

Just watched the Debunking Monckton video. What a fraud and outright liar. Of course I knew this all along but the way he misrepresented the Greenland study would be considered professionally unethical. Lucky for him he’s not a scientist.

56 Bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:47:41pm

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57 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:49:03pm

re: #9 freetoken

Curmudgeon that I am, I still prefer books. Just not the same reading stuff on the computer. Maybe someday I’ll get an iPad and all that will change, but for now I’m still attached to dead trees.

DEAD TREE HUGGER!

/

58 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:49:40pm

Time for me to get some sleeps — I’ll leave you with something bizarre: Natalie Merchant at Ted

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59 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:51:41pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

Cheeto dust upon their breasts
These men think they’re America’s best!
100 men will gorge today!
But only fatties are screen berets!

They talk trash from their porch
They would chase you down if they could!
100 men will binge today
But only fatties are screen berets!

They hate libruhls and gays too!
There manhoods hidden ‘neath rolling lard
They can’t see if they get hard!
But only fatties are screen berets!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

They’re quoting you, Ludwig. You’ve got their attention.

60 Virginia Plain  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:51:57pm

I just installed the Kindle app on my Macbook and iPod touch. Got Uncle Tom’s Cabin and The Prince. Still looking for some other classics (offered for free by Amazon) to put.

61 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:57:00pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Hmm…the first stanza isn’t bad, the rest? Not bad but it could probably use a bit o polish…

Still LVQ should feel honored.

62 Bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:58:43pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Nothing to be done there but wait. We have to see how the situation shakes out.

Energy riots, essentially non-political, broke out spontaneously when the Government raised tariffs for water and gas. Electricity was already up over 100 percent, central heating up over 500 percent. This has been simmering for weeks and finally boiled over.

What pissed them off was the prices were driven up by fiat, rather than a market move, though what the Government did was remove subsidies that were resulting in the energy being sold at less than the cost to produce it.

63 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:58:45pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

They’re quoting you, Ludwig. You’ve got their attention.

Oh wow! The most sniveling follower of them all, Bunk X has gotten on the band wagon! I mean the fools over there are absolutely beta males, but that one is beta to betas - kinda like Jabba the Hutt’s little bird rat critter.

Have you ever seen that pathetic herd sheep say an original thing of his own? He is the ultimate remora. What is so terribly disgusting is that he actually thinks that drunk Ricky or Snork is a shark!

Ohh I have to laugh.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

65 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:00:48pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Just watched the Debunking Monckton video. What a fraud and outright liar. Of course I knew this all along but the way he misrepresented the Greenland study would be considered professionally unethical. Lucky for him he’s not a scientist.

Yeah bug-eyed, dimwitted, huckster, Monckton is a special piece of inbred work.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

66 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:02:02pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah bug-eyed, dimwitted, huckster, Monckton is a special piece of inbred work.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

He uses them big words and speaks in that Latin tongue. Puts them there socialist scientists in place. He’s a smart one he is.

Yep.

///

67 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:02:04pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Hundreds of people giving the Nazi salute at Terreblanche funeral.

Fuck me!

Yeah no doubt about the racism there….

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:02:30pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Hundreds of people giving the Nazi salute at Terreblanche funeral.

CHARMING.

69 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:02:45pm

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

Fuck me!

Yeah no doubt about the racism there…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

Seriously. Get a load of the crowd in this photo:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

70 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:03:47pm

re: #62 Bagua

Energy riots, essentially non-political, broke out spontaneously when the Government raised tariffs for water and gas. Electricity was already up over 100 percent, central heating up over 500 percent. This has been simmering for weeks and finally boiled over.

What pissed them off was the prices were driven up by fiat, rather than a market move, though what the Government did was remove subsidies that were resulting in the energy being sold at less than the cost to produce it.

And we’ve got Russia stirring the pot, too. They want to get Kyrgyzstan to close Manas so they can monopolize our shipping into Afghanistan. Classic Russian power play.

71 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:03:57pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

CHARMING.

Here’s one of the vehicles that showed up at the funeral.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:04:45pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Seriously. Get a load of the crowd in this photo:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Well. That’s a scary looking crowd.

73 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:05:13pm

Good night all.
Sleep tight.
Hug your loved ones, near & far.
They or you could perish in an instant.
And, if it happens, you want to go, KNOWING you are loved.
So, Lizards, you are loved, from here.
Share the wealth!
( Not the cooties, though. You know who you are!)

74 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:05:43pm

re: #73 Floral Giraffe

Good night all.
Sleep tight.
Hug your loved ones, near & far.
They or you could perish in an instant.
And, if it happens, you want to go, KNOWING you are loved.
So, Lizards, you are loved, from here.
Share the wealth!
( Not the cooties, though. You know who you are!)

Good night FG. ;)

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:05:57pm

re: #71 Gus 802

Here’s one of the vehicles that showed up at the funeral.

I take it that doesn’t mean something else in South Africa?

Just looking at those photos frightens me.

76 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:06:47pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Well. That’s a scary looking crowd.

It’s like something out of Mad Max.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

77 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:08:03pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it that doesn’t mean something else in South Africa?

Just looking at those photos frightens me.

Same meaning.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:09:41pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Seriously. Get a load of the crowd in this photo:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

The juxtaposition is stunning in it’s stupidity. They hold the cross that symbolizes the redeeming act of Jesus Christ, then give a salute associated with a totalitarian political ideology explicitly at odd with the message of Jesus. Vile and clueless. I’d say they’re as bad as Monckton, but that would be an insult to Monckton. Even he would know to oppose out-and-out Nazis.

79 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:10:29pm

re: #73 Floral Giraffe

Good night all.
Sleep tight.
Hug your loved ones, near & far.
They or you could perish in an instant.
And, if it happens, you want to go, KNOWING you are loved.
So, Lizards, you are loved, from here.
Share the wealth!
( Not the cooties, though. You know who you are!)

Cooties?

80 Bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:11:19pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

And we’ve got Russia stirring the pot, too. They want to get Kyrgyzstan to close Manas so they can monopolize our shipping into Afghanistan. Classic Russian power play.

Russia may be over-playing their cards. They have enjoyed their choke hold on the EU energy supply and thought it secure, now with the developments in shale gas it looks like Poland will emerge the winner and Russia the loser.

Interesting coincidence that the twin was on his way to renegotiate Poland’s gas supply price with Russia when the plane crashed. The shale formation extends into Britain, so this could be a game changer for the UK as well.

81 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:11:34pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Seriously. Get a load of the crowd in this photo:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

I am so sorry for any and all decent Christians out there that scum like that puts a bad name on your faith.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

82 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:11:55pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

The juxtaposition is stunning in it’s stupidity. They hold the cross that symbolizes the redeeming act of Jesus Christ, then give a salute associated with a totalitarian political ideology explicitly at odd with the message of Jesus. Vile and clueless. I’d say they’re as bad as Monckton, but that would be an insult to Monckton. Even he would know to oppose out-and-out Nazis.

Yeah. It’s an insult to Christianity and Jesus to see crosses at this man’s funeral and within that group.

83 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:16:00pm

re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote

I am so sorry for any and all decent Christians out there that scum like that puts a bad name on your faith.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

The gallery starts here:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

The next button is on the lower right.

It’s strange. These photos look like they should be in black and white.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:16:30pm

re: #80 Bagua

Russia may be over-playing their cards. They have enjoyed their choke hold on the EU energy supply and thought it secure, now with the developments in shale gas it looks like Poland will emerge the winner and Russia the loser.

Interesting coincidence that the twin was on his way to renegotiate Poland’s gas supply price with Russia when the plane crashed. The shale formation extends into Britain, so this could be a game changer for the UK as well.

And possibly for the US and Canada as well. Both nation’s have put a great deal of research into extracting shale oil and gas. Ludwig may have some thoughts on this as well.

85 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:17:30pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

And we’ve got Russia stirring the pot, too. They want to get Kyrgyzstan to close Manas so they can monopolize our shipping into Afghanistan. Classic Russian power play.

Ahh they are giving you shit too…

It is the little possum now.

I really don’t know a lot about the possum. We can assume that he is some sort of Southern feller who thinks that large rodents are well country.

But I really am not certain of that.

I imagine that the reality though is yet another obese fool who has never been kissed by anyone other than his sister. Talks sooo tough. But really, it would be charming to meet such a one at my university and bring him before the class as a specimen.

Class, this is why brothers and sisters shouldn’t marry and remember, fetal alcohol syndrome is bad. If you drink when you are expecting, your baby might come out to be a slobbering Palin supporter with man boobs.

Can you imagine that? 100 or more bright young healthy kids, and him spouting his “philosophies.” Can you imagine his face when very attractive girls who are so very much brighter than he is giggled at him?

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:17:49pm

re: #83 Gus 802

The gallery starts here:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

The next button is on the lower right.

It’s strange. These photos look like they should be in black and white.

They should have been taken in the 30’s. It’s a horror that Fascism is making such a comeback.

87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:18:08pm

Oh and!

Fetal alcohol syndrome is bad

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

88 Bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:22:16pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

And possibly for the US and Canada as well. Both nation’s have put a great deal of research into extracting shale oil and gas. Ludwig may have some thoughts on this as well.

This side of the pond is way ahead on that score, keep in mind that the Continentals have very few rigs available, and heavy restrictions as their land is so built up. Poland presents an opportunity as they are more willing to permit the exploitation, but it could be a decade before there is significant production due to the lack of rigs and infrastructure.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:22:21pm

re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote

I am so sorry for any and all decent Christians out there that scum like that puts a bad name on your faith.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

It’s a shanda.

And I think what really creeps me out is that they look so ordinary. Just regular folks out giving their Nazi salutes at a funeral.

90 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:24:40pm

And I wish to give a special shout out to the Rodent, Ricky!!

Hey Ricky, what are you drinking tonight?

Or are you just going to call it in early and beat off while dreaming of Spanish conquerers and little Muslim slave boys again?

Seriously, of all the beasts in the village, you re the most vile.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

and

Ricky: Got Sobriety?

91 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:25:09pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a shanda.

And I think what really creeps me out is that they look so ordinary. Just regular folks out giving their Nazi salutes at a funeral.

Welcome to Milgram.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:25:27pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

They should have been taken in the 30’s. It’s a horror that Fascism is making such a comeback.

And I’m sure they’d tell us that we just don’t understand.

93 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:25:30pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

They should have been taken in the 30’s. It’s a horror that Fascism is making such a comeback.

These people are probably some of the most extreme revanchists in the world. Intent on bringing back an Apartheid South Africa that fell on or about 1986. It’s a highly segregated country now even as it was before. However, the terror that once was is gone. Most of these people are Boers.

94 swamprat  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:25:32pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

And possibly for the US and Canada as well. Both nation’s have put a great deal of research into extracting shale oil and gas. Ludwig may have some thoughts on this as well.

A huge deposit of gas is in…

… wait for it
…
…
Palestine!

No idea how this will work out.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:28:05pm

re: #93 Gus 802

These people are probably some of the most extreme revanchists in the world. Intent on bringing back an Apartheid South Africa that fell on or about 1986. It’s a highly segregated country now even as it was before. However, the terror that once was is gone. Most of these people are Boers.

I noticed that the writing on the crosses is in Afrikaans.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:28:56pm

re: #94 swamprat

A huge deposit of gas is in…

… wait for it
…
…
Palestine!

No idea how this will work out.

Probably poorly.

97 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:29:24pm

Aha the madness has begun over the Polish Presidential plane Crashing in Russia…

This does not feel right to me….could this have been intentional? Look back at how WWI started, and the fact that THIS President was Pro Israel. -savedatcamp

Strange coincidence it happened in the land of gog. -Joseph The Carpenter

It is odd that Russia was threaten to nuke Poland not long ago and now this. I am not saying that it was not a true accident but with Russia you never know to gain control of other countries it want back so bad you never know. -BlessedbyHim

Poland gas find threatens Russia’s hold over EU.
Vast reserves of shale gas lying under Poland could free Western Europe from its dependence on Russian natural gas in the future with the help of recent advances in American extraction technology. -steph1962

American “Patriot Missles” to be deployed in Poland.
The decision by the US administration to deploy Patriot anti-aircraft missiles in Poland has triggered mixed reactions in both Poland and elsewhere in Europe. Unlike the politicians, who expect to get both political and economic gains from the plans, the Polish public has repeatedly voiced protests against the plans. Now that the deployment of the missiles is expected any day and the locations all set, criticism of the move is gaining momentum among Poland’s neighbors, including Russia. -steph1962

Courtesy of your uber paranoid neighbors on the internet over at the RaptureReady forum…

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:30:57pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

And possibly for the US and Canada as well. Both nation’s have put a great deal of research into extracting shale oil and gas. Ludwig may have some thoughts on this as well.

Well the answer is that if there weren’t an AGW problem it would be something that could be used to threaten the USSR’s games with.

However, for the money of extracting fossil fuels from Shale we could have nice clean energy sources too.

The first video is from AAAS, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AAAS is one of the flagship scientific organizations of America and for that matter the world. They publish the journal Science.

They have a video that does not mince words or pull punches about AGW and it tells you what you can do. If you want a real, this is what the scientists are begging you to hear, video with an unshakable pedigree, this is it.

Youtube Video

The second video (in two parts) is from National Geographic. It goes into what happens when you raise the temperature by one degree, then two, then three all the way out to six degrees.

If you want to see what that world looks like, then watch these videos. Again, the science is sound and there are no punches pulled. Seeing it visualized is perhaps much more “real” for many than looking at graphs and inferring things from data. This is the stark reality.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
99 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:30:58pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a shanda.

And I think what really creeps me out is that they look so ordinary. Just regular folks out giving their Nazi salutes at a funeral.

That’s what makes it so troubling. It’s not just a bunch of 20 plus men like we sometimes see here in the USA. There’s it’s everybody giving the Nazi salute: women, children, teens, and men. Of all ages.

100 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:32:01pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a shanda.

And I think what really creeps me out is that they look so ordinary. Just regular folks out giving their Nazi salutes at a funeral.

So were most of the German’s we see in the photos saluting Hitler. Many Wehrmacht division made up of conscripts perpetrated horrible crimes during the invasion of the Soviet Union. Ordinary people can do truly horrible things when motivated by the hate fascism engenders.

101 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:32:45pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

And possibly for the US and Canada as well. Both nation’s have put a great deal of research into extracting shale oil and gas. Ludwig may have some thoughts on this as well.

The above post is to say that any move that burns more fossil fuels from anywhere is a bad move.

I am not the only scientist who says billions will die.

Watch the videos.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

102 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:37:07pm

re: #97 ausador

Aha the madness has begun over the Polish Presidential plane Crashing in Russia…

Courtesy of your uber paranoid neighbors on the internet over at the RaptureReady forum…

Never let a crisis go to waste. Especially for the paranoid.

Well, from what I’ve seen, Putin looked pretty upset about the death of Kaczynski. If we set politics aside for one moment it remains an accident. And while I may be premature like many of these accidents they’re due to pilot error. They were told not to land and made several attempts to land on a fogged in runway. They could have easily diverted. That’s all it was. One fogged in runway and one cocky pilot.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:37:33pm

World Trade Center I-Beam finds home in Afghanistan

BAGRAM AIRFIELD — An I-beam that was once a part of the World Trade Center now has a home in Afghanistan, where the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were first planned. As a tribute to the beam’s arrival at Bargram Airfield, troops at Bagram flew a CH-47 Chinook helicopter around the installation, with the beam displayed hanging in a cargo net, March 31. Several troops who were first responders to the attacks on the World Trade Center accompanied the TF Falcon troops on the half-hour flight. The U.S. flag that flew with the beam, along with another displayed from the back hatch of the helicopter, will be given as a token of appreciation to the residents of Breezy Point, New York, who shipped the beam at a cost of approx $5,000.

The City of N.Y. had given a number of beams to the residents of Breezy Point, after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks that killed 29 residents from the small neighborhood in Queens. After the residents erected a permanent monument facing Manhatten, Sons and Daughters of America donated the remaining 3 beams to the military. One is at the recently opened infantry museum at Fort Benning, Ga., and the other is aboard the aircraft carrier, U.S.S. Nimitz, along with Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Brian Quinn Jr., whose father was instrumental in organizing Sons and Daughters of America.

U.S. Army Maj. Stephen J. Ryan, a governance planner for Combined Joint TF-82 from Breezy Point, who responded to the attacks as an off-duty police officer, and was activated for 3 months with the N.Y. NG in recovery efforts, said the display of the 3rd beam in Afghanistan is “a fitting tribute.”

A ceremony for the beam’s arrival is tentatively scheduled for the first half of April. In accordance with the org’s vision, the beam will remain at Bagram as long as U.S. troops are deployed to Afghanistan. After that, it will most likely end up in a museum at Fort Bragg, N.C., similar to the beam at Fort Benning.

“I think this is going to be very symbolic to show our response and how we responded to the attacks, and how we’re helping the people of Afghanistan,” said Army Maj. Lisandro Murphy, another Sept. 11, 2001, responder who now works as info ops planner with CJTF-82 future ops.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:38:17pm

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

I understand the the threat. My interest in shale is actually my father’s. He studied the matter of shale extraction in some detail, and talked to me about it some detail. Given that the matter of fossil fuel extraction came up, i thought it wise to give you a segue into the conversation if you wanted to use it. That said, what sort of energy investment would you suggest Poland make in lieu of shale?

105 Bagua  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:38:33pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Note that Europe imports about 33% of its gas from Russia, and even Britain is expected to need Russian gas via Nord Stream by 2012.

The find in Poland is estimated at up to 1.36 trillion cubic meters using the American extraction technology. This boosts potential European reserves by 47 percent.

Who is more reliable, Russia, who has twice used their gas reserves as a political weapon cutting supplies in 2006 and 2009 when European countries received no Russian gas via Ukraine for three weeks, or Poland?

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:39:20pm

Ohh lol, I’ve made the Rodent angry.

No, Ricky if I ever met your drunk incoherent ass, I would laugh at you to your face.

And no Ricky, not all southern whites are inbred. I do suspect that Possum is though.

And no Ricky, I don’t hate Hispanics. And no I am not a Nazi, and lest you forget, the Nazis were allies of Franco? Remember that? Ohh and they were allies of the Serbs too?

But I do hate vile racist drunken slobs who spout crazy conspiracy theories and abuse people. You know you really shouldn’t go proclaiming your Latino status, you give Hispanic folks a bad name.

Perhaps it isn’t your fault that daddy was so mean to you and that you mommy needed to sell herself to make ends meet. I can understand how that would turn anyone to drink Ricky. So, OK I will be less hard on you.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:40:43pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

I understand the the threat. My interest in shale is actually my father’s. He studied the matter of shale extraction in some detail, and talked to me about it some detail. Given that the matter of fossil fuel extraction came up, i thought it wise to give you a segue into the conversation if you wanted to use it. That said, what sort of energy investment would you suggest Poland make in lieu of shale?

Nuclear solar and wind, just like everyone else.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:40:45pm

re: #102 Gus 802

Never let a crisis go to waste. Especially for the paranoid.

Well, from what I’ve seen, Putin looked pretty upset about the death of Kaczynski. If we set politics aside for one moment it remains an accident. And while I may be premature like many of these accidents they’re due to pilot error. They were told not to land and made several attempts to land on a fogged in runway. They could have easily diverted. That’s all it was. One fogged in runway and one cocky pilot.

Agreed. Putin did not want this, but he will surely not let any crisis go to waste. He’s very shrewd and will move to seize any opportunity.

110 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:41:01pm

I just feel sorry for all the rest of you because I have two strawberry shortcakes topped with french vanilla ice cream along with Almond Windmill cookies on the side.

/I will think of you guys while eating them though just in case anyone is strongly psychic and might benefit… ;)

111 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:41:50pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Nuclear solar and wind, just like everyone else.

Would limited shale gas development be acceptable while the nuclear plants are getting set up? Those plants can take time, even with French help.

112 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:44:22pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Would limited shale gas development be acceptable while the nuclear plants are getting set up? Those plants can take time, even with French help.

The problem is one of inertia economically. Once you spend a ton getting at shale, you want to run it long enough to turn a profit. Better to spend that same money on renewable and gather momentum to expand that market instead.

113 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:44:45pm

Ohh and lest I forget…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

114 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:44:54pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Putin did not want this, but he will surely not let any crisis go to waste. He’s very shrewd and will move to seize any opportunity.

True. He may try to win over the hearts of the people of Poland for the benefit of “Mother Russia.” I think both countries want some closure regarding Smolensk. Although right now many in Poland believe that there is a bad omen hanging over Smolensk.

115 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:46:25pm

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh and lest I forget…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

Lord Monckton: Got Inbreeding?™

116 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:47:41pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Lord Monckton: Got Inbreeding?™

Brilliant!

We should keep this up and make a meme out of it!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

117 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:50:13pm

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

Brilliant!

We should keep this up and make a meme out of it!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

Sounds like a plan. At least we know how to spell the fools name: M-o-n-c-k-t-o-n. Monckton — also see fraud.

118 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:51:48pm

Well the Rodent has now lost it and is directly threatening me.

If I ever meet you face to face, I’m going to put you in the hospital for that.

If anyone can get information on Ludwig’s real identity, I’d appreciate it. He’s marked as of tonight.

You’re fucked Ludwig, I’ll find out who you are and when you least expect it crack you over the head.

So what is the policy that gets made for direct threats over the net?

Seriously, who do I contact to have the Blogmocracy forced to move to another site?

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:52:45pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Sounds like a plan. At least we know how to spell the fools name: M-o-n-c-k-t-o-n. Monckton — also see fraud.

Brilliant!

But seriously, who do we contact to shut down their little blog (again).

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

120 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:55:24pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Sounds like a plan. At least we know how to spell the fools name: M-o-n-c-k-t-o-n. Monckton — also see fraud.

Main Entry: Monckton
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: trickery, deception
Synonyms: artifice, bamboozlement, barratry, blackmail, cheat, chicane, chicanery, con, craft*, deceit, double-dealing, dupery, duping, duplicity, extortion, fake, fast one, fast shuffle, flimflam, fourberie, fraud, fraudulence, graft, guile, hanky-panky, hoax, hocus-pocus, hoodwinking, hustle*, imposture, line, misrepresentation, racket, scam, sell, shakedown, sham*, sharp practice, skunk, smoke*, song and dance, song*, spuriousness, sting, string, swindle, swindling, treachery

/not an actual thesaurus entry (although it should be).

121 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:56:08pm

re: #120 ausador

Main Entry: Monckton
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: trickery, deception
Synonyms: artifice, bamboozlement, barratry, blackmail, cheat, chicane, chicanery, con, craft*, deceit, double-dealing, dupery, duping, duplicity, extortion, fake, fast one, fast shuffle, flimflam, fourberie, fraud, fraudulence, graft, guile, hanky-panky, hoax, hocus-pocus, hoodwinking, hustle*, imposture, line, misrepresentation, racket, scam, sell, shakedown, sham*, sharp practice, skunk, smoke*, song and dance, song*, spuriousness, sting, string, swindle, swindling, treachery

/not an actual thesaurus entry (although it should be).

Could you add that as a tag line to some of your posts?

It’s brilliant really.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

122 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:56:09pm

Kind of sad really. To spend a Saturday night watching someone elses blog all night long and making it the topic of conversation.

How long that they been at it?

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:56:36pm

re: #120 ausador

Main Entry: Monckton
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: trickery, deception
Synonyms: artifice, bamboozlement, barratry, blackmail, cheat, chicane, chicanery, con, craft*, deceit, double-dealing, dupery, duping, duplicity, extortion, fake, fast one, fast shuffle, flimflam, fourberie, fraud, fraudulence, graft, guile, hanky-panky, hoax, hocus-pocus, hoodwinking, hustle*, imposture, line, misrepresentation, racket, scam, sell, shakedown, sham*, sharp practice, skunk, smoke*, supercilious,song and dance, song*, spuriousness, sting, string, swindle, swindling, treachery

/not an actual thesaurus entry (although it should be).

Slight addition.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:00:25am

re: #118 LudwigVanQuixote

Well the Rodent has now lost it and is directly threatening me.

So what is the policy that gets made for direct threats over the net?

Seriously, who do I contact to have the Blogmocracy forced to move to another site?

I have no idea. Good grief.

I find it interesting that Rodan is terribly upset about your Nazi tendencies, while referring to Moors as ‘dirt rats’. He also seems to think they were all driven out of Spain. I have no idea what he makes of Moriscos. Maybe once they’ve been forced to pretend to be Christians they stop counting?

Too confusing. Stop enticing me to look over at that hot mess they’ve got going there!

125 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:01:36am

re: #122 Gus 802

Kind of sad really. To spend a Saturday night watching someone elses blog all night long and making it the topic of conversation.

How long that they been at it?

Their entire useless adult lives.

But I should be carefull, Ricky Martinez has marked me!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Ricky Martinez (born October 1, 1978 in the Dominican Republic) is a Dominican porn star, best known to perform autofellatio. Although he defines himself straight, he has been seen in many gay-themed pornographic movies, such as BuckleRoos (Part 1), Trunks, and Anaconda. Martinez retired from the adult industry in 2008.


He gets star reviews…

Not many guys can boast that they can suck their own dick but Ricky Martinez can. He was born in the Dominican Republic in October 1978 and stands about 5ft

Hey Ricky - come and get me you hot Latin stud you!

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:02:49am

re: #122 Gus 802

Kind of sad really. To spend a Saturday night watching someone elses blog all night long and making it the topic of conversation.

How long that they been at it?

Dunno. How long have we been at it?

127 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:02:56am

re: #118 LudwigVanQuixote

Well the Rodent has now lost it and is directly threatening me.

So what is the policy that gets made for direct threats over the net?

Seriously, who do I contact to have the Blogmocracy forced to move to another site?

Look up the “whois” for their IP which will tell you their host and the host’s contact information amongst the other info. Contact the host because direct threats of violence are directly mentioned as a no-no in every “terms of service” agreement I have ever seen.

If you write an intelligent and detailed complaint along with providing a screen shot and URL of the offense you can sometimes get a site yanked for a little while, but don’t hold your breath unless it is a U.S. based server.

128 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:03:06am

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. How long have we been at it?

15 minutes. :)

129 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:06:43am

Some history regarding South Africa:

Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act

President Ronald Reagan attempted to veto the law but was overridden by Congress (by the Senate 78 to 21, the House by 313 to 83). This override marked the first time in the twentieth century that a president had a foreign policy veto overridden.

130 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:08:09am
131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:11:49am

Well, closing the window on that bizarre little display of bad history and racism. I have low tolerance for either. Both is too much on a Saturday night.

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:12:25am

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

I have to say that putting someone’s info up like that is out of line Ludwig. Even if it’s stuff he put up, you shouldn’t be putting it up in a hostile way. That’s really asking for trouble and I have to ask you not to do that.

133 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:15:12am
134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:17:33am

I think people have been drinking on more than one blog this evening!!!

135 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:18:21am

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

I think people have been drinking on more than one blog this evening!!!

I’ve been behaving. Just started drinking and don’t have enough to cause any damage.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:20:11am

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

I can’t make you do anything. I am going to warn you however, that those folks are fairly good at finding out about people. I would not suggest continuing to post other people’s information here. It’s against our forum rules, anyhow.

137 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:20:56am

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

I think people have been drinking on more than one blog this evening!!!

And I am just enjoying the ride. No drinking here.

I wonder what a certain organic community farm would think of the genocidal writings of one of their employees particularly since he frequently talks about how drunk he is?

The lesson here is don’t fuck with Ludwig.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

138 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:22:20am

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

I think people have been drinking on more than one blog this evening!!!

Hey, I’m only on my sixth or maybe seventh beer, I think, I emptied the trash so I can’t count the empties now to be sure… (ok, maybe eighth)

///

139 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:22:23am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I can’t make you do anything. I am going to warn you however, that those folks are fairly good at finding out about people. I would not suggest continuing to post other people’s information here. It’s against our forum rules, anyhow.

And if they do, they will find that angry Jewish attorneys are even better at finding people out and really ruining their days.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

140 freetoken  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:22:58am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

The rules (up top):

Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted …

As long as Ludwig only links to the online, advertised information he will probably be fine.

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:26:34am

re: #140 freetoken

The rules (up top):

As long as Ludwig only links to the online, advertised information he will probably be fine.

Which is true, I was careful to follow the rules and moreover, it is not as if he himself isn’t all over the web bragging about who he is and how he hates LGF and Charles and me and all that. It requires whitebelt google-fu to findsomeone who brags so intently about who he is.

142 windhorse  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:26:35am

The lesson here is that Ludwig is an attention starved douchebag.

143 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:27:13am

re: #142 windhorse

The lesson here is that Ludwig is an attention starved douchebag.

Did I draw out a sock?

Good for you!

144 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:28:30am

re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote

It is against the forum rules to post addresses, phone numbers, or personal information about anyone. Besides it is just plain wrong to do, it isn’t getting even it is provocation for an escalation on his part followed by you both proceeding one more step into cyberstalkerism.

Not cool…not a bit.

145 windhorse  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:28:35am

Ludwig, the know it all expert.

146 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:29:47am

@Dark_Falcon -

Hey, I don’t repost my own replies from earlier threads, but this one was straight from the heart and I want you should see it.

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

I’d rather have never existed. I’m not that fond of myself, and parents lives would have been better had they only had my sister.

Fiddlesticks! I haven’t liked myself for years, but screw it, I’m all I’ve got. And it gives me the opportunity to work on liking myself a little more each day. But it’s hard work and slow progress, you betcha!

Furthermore, I’ve found that people who don’t like themselves are generally nicer than the fatheads who have a great opinion of their works and days. Lemme tell you, bud, you don’t want to see the ‘dark side’ of some of these jokers. It sounds like there’s some serious bad ju-ju between you, your parents and Sis. I’m not going to go there, but you should be working hard on figuring out the whammy they put on you. We all aspire to being loved, it’s our birthright, but it sounds like you didn’t get yours, so you’re going to have to nurture and love the child in you who became the man under such adverse conditions. In doing so, you’ll become a human being in the best sense of the word: a healer, with the heart to face the most difficult hurt of all - your own.

Hang in there, buddy: it’s the best adventure of all, and the stuff that heroes are made of. Accept it like a gift: the special gift it is: that of finding and loving yourself while taming that old useless dragon that’s living inside you and clouding your happiness.

Yeah!

147 windhorse  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:30:12am

Ludwig, you remind me of the high school boys I just spent three days with at the Future Business Leaders of America Conference with my son….

They aren’t and will never be.

148 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:30:16am

re: #144 ausador

It is against the forum rules to post addresses, phone numbers, or personal information about anyone. Besides it is just plain wrong to do, it isn’t getting even it is provocation for an escalation on his part followed by you both proceeding one more step into cyberstalkerism.

Not cool…not a bit.

Fair enough.

BUT

I’m not stalking him. I am letting him know that I am not afraid of him or his threats and that if it ever came to it, the police would be on him like flies on shit.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:32:31am

OK, Possum, you’ve made your point. But I would point out that I’ve never outed anyone, nor will I ever do so. These blogwars are often nasty, but I’d ask that we all leave them as online comments only. Don’t go trying to dig up things about where people live or work. That’s just plain bad and it leads to a dangerous escalation. For my part, I’m done with flinging insults. I’ll continue to keep an eye on the folks over there, but from now on I’m going to avoid insults so long as I’m not being insulted directly. I don’t want to find out what’s at the bottom of the blogwar rabbit hole, I really don’t. so for everybody’s sake, I’m going to back off. Ludwig, I suggest you do likewise.

150 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:32:39am

re: #144 ausador

It is against the forum rules to post addresses, phone numbers, or personal information about anyone. Besides it is just plain wrong to do, it isn’t getting even it is provocation for an escalation on his part followed by you both proceeding one more step into cyberstalkerism.

Not cool…not a bit.

Well, that same page was linked already at LGF. Just sayin’.

151 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:34:52am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

OK, Possum, you’ve made your point. But I would point out that I’ve never outed anyone, nor will I ever do so. These blogwars are often nasty, but I’d ask that we all leave them as online comments only. Don’t go trying to dig up things about where people live or work. That’s just plain bad and it leads to a dangerous escalation. For my part, I’m done with flinging insults. I’ll continue to keep an eye on the folks over there, but from now on I’m going to avoid insults so long as I’m not being insulted directly. I don’t want to find out what’s at the bottom of the blogwar rabbit hole, I really don’t. so for everybody’s sake, I’m going to back off. Ludwig, I suggest you do likewise.

Yes but there is a difference. We are not threatening them. They are threatening us. Just show them that you are not scared and that you will send the cops to the right place. This isn’t escalation this is letting the little screen berets understand that they are in checkmate before they get any more ideas.

152 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:38:00am

I see we’re sending up smoke signals.

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:38:33am

re: #151 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes but there is a difference. We are not threatening them. They are threatening us. Just show them that you are not scared and that you will send the cops to the right place. This isn’t escalation this is letting the little screen berets understand that they are in checkmate before they get any more ideas.

Sorry Ludwig, but once other people I know are involved, I don’t have the right to continue. Blog fights aren’t worth messing up your life. I’d rather simply endure being mocked online occasionally, rather than ending up with a serious real life problem.

154 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:42:17am

More smoke signals.

/

155 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:43:12am

re: #150 Gus 802

Well, that same page was linked already at LGF. Just sayin’.

And your saying that therefore that makes it right?

Or does it just somehow lower the offense level a bit?

“Well he did it first!” never got me out of any jams either with my parents or at school, that is because adults usually don’t except it as a rational defense.

just sayin… ;)

156 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:43:35am

It sounds like these guys are bored, stupid and seeing if they can push people’s buttons to get some action going in their otherwise vacuous lives.

Old Arab proverb: The dogs howl; the caravan passes.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:43:53am

re: #154 Gus 802

More smoke signals.

/

Is that directed at me? If it is then I’m sorry. And I’m going to stop now. I’ve said what I needed to say. Let’s talk about something else.

158 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:44:09am

re: #154 Gus 802

More smoke signals.

/

How is that?

159 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:44:48am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Is that directed at me? If it is then I’m sorry. And I’m going to stop now. I’ve said what I needed to say. Let’s talk about something else.

No, not at you. Sorry. One of them just posted something for you. I saw that as a smoke signal.

We probably should talk about something else.

160 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:46:37am

Dog whistles and smoke signals.

I want a sekrit LGF decoder ring!

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:46:42am

re: #159 Gus 802

No, not at you. Sorry. One of them just posted something for you. I saw that as a smoke signal.

We probably should talk about something else.

Quite Concur.

162 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:46:43am

re: #158 LudwigVanQuixote

How is that?

Nothing. There was this inter blog dialogue going on. It reminded me of two tribes sending smoke signals to one another.

163 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:47:02am

re: #155 ausador

And your saying that therefore that makes it right?

Or does it just somehow lower the offense level a bit?

“Well he did it first!” never got me out of any jams either with my parents or at school, that is because adults usually don’t except it as a rational defense.

just sayin… ;)

Look I see your point and I am not trying to give you grief. However, you missed the point of the exercise. If Ricky is going to threaten my person and try to get the thrill of getting at me as a supposed anonymous force that “will get me when I least expect it” I rob him of any power he imagines he has when I remind him that everyone knows who he is, because he himself bragged about it.

The reality is that I am not so scared of him or any other crap. The reality is that if he were going to try to fuck with me, he ends up in prison.

164 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:47:23am

re: #160 ryannon

Dog whistles and smoke signals.

I want a sekrit LGF decoder ring!

Look for one in your next box of Cherrios.

//

165 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:47:36am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Is that directed at me? If it is then I’m sorry. And I’m going to stop now. I’ve said what I needed to say. Let’s talk about something else.

Quaker Oats!

166 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:48:16am

re: #165 ryannon

Quaker Oats!

Mennonite Oats!

//

167 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:49:53am

re: #159 Gus 802

No, not at you. Sorry. One of them just posted something for you. I saw that as a smoke signal.

We probably should talk about something else.

Huh? Wha happened? I was watching Glory.

168 windhorse  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:50:42am

Ludwig writing about ” the reality is…”

ha.

169 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:50:52am

re: #167 JasonA

Huh? Wha happened? I was watching Glory.

Oh, just a small skirmish. See above. We’re trying to close out on it now.

170 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:51:31am

re: #169 Gus 802

Oh, just a small skirmish. See above. We’re trying to close out on it now.

Okay. I still have 20 minutes left. I hope these “Union” guys win…

171 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:51:57am

re: #166 Gus 802

Mennonite Oats!

//

My Quaker Oats guy can take you Mennonite Oats guy!

Image: 6a00d834515db069e200e55035d1238834-640wi.gif

He also takes us camping and lets us share his sleeping bag when it gets cold!

172 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:52:29am

re: #167 JasonA

Huh? Wha happened? I was watching Glory.

Great movie with a truly tragic ending. The 54th Massachusetts went through Hell to get into the fight, only to be devastated in a mission they could not have succeeded in.

173 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:53:02am

re: #168 windhorse

OK, now you’re trolling.

174 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:53:08am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Great movie with a truly tragic ending. The 54th Massachusetts went through Hell to get into the fight, only to be devastated in a mission they could not have succeeded in.

Great. Spoil it, why dontcha? :P

(kidding!)

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:54:09am

re: #145 windhorse

Ludwig, the know it all expert.

You trying to mute this down or ramp it up?

176 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:54:15am

re: #168 windhorse

Ludwig writing about ” the reality is…”

ha.

It looks like the sock doesn’t like me…

Oh well…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

177 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:54:36am

re: #171 ryannon

My Quaker Oats guy can take you Mennonite Oats guy!

Image: 6a00d834515db069e200e55035d1238834-640wi.gif

He also takes us camping and lets us share his sleeping bag when it gets cold!

Oh yeah! My Mennonite women will clobber your Quaker Oats guy that looks like Benjamin Franklin without glasses.

Image: 2682402209_6ab9b63f83.jpg

178 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:55:35am

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

You trying to mute this down or ramp it up?

Trust me the guy is a sock from the village. He’s pissed that I gave his fellow village idiots a poke.

179 windhorse  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:56:14am

trust me, you don’t know shit.

180 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:56:33am

re: #179 windhorse

trust me, you don’t know shit.

Knock it off.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:56:33am

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

Windhorse is not a sock. And you shouldn’t call him one.

182 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:58:07am

re: #179 windhorse

trust me, you don’t know shit.

Nah I know a sock when I smell one.

No true lizard defends the village.

But you are correct, I don’t know which one you are. Would you be so good as to tell us?

Be brave!

love and kisses and all.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

183 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:58:34am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Windhorse is not a sock. And you shouldn’t call him one.

Are you certain about that?

184 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:59:52am

re: #170 JasonA

Okay. I still have 20 minutes left. I hope these “Union” guys win…

They all die attacking the rebel fort, but gloriously.

/(oops, guess I shoulda put a spoiler tag on that comment)

185 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:00:56am

re: #176 LudwigVanQuixote

It looks like the sock doesn’t like me…

Oh well…

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?


Now what the hell is all this consanangity you talking about all the time?

186 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:01:15am

re: #183 LudwigVanQuixote

Are you certain about that?

Pretty sure. He’s been here for quite a while. Sometime back he got in trouble with Charles and then got out of that hot water. Charles is through and would not have let him keep posting here if he was a sock.

187 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:03:32am

So…uhh…how about this beautiful weather we are having?

/he said while searching for a subject change

188 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:04:22am

re: #177 Gus 802

Oh yeah! My Mennonite women will clobber your Quaker Oats guy that looks like Benjamin Franklin without glasses.

Image: 2682402209_6ab9b63f83.jpg

You win.

Will they take me camping too?

189 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:04:44am

re: #187 ausador

So…uhh…how about this beautiful weather we are having?

/he said while searching for a subject change

I’m looking through the NY Times obits.

190 Bagua  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:05:52am

We Shall Be Free

MP3 Audio

- Scott H. Biram
191 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:06:20am

re: #185 ryannon

Now what the hell is all this consanangity you talking about all the time?

Consanguinity, in this instance refers to people who are too closely related making babies.

Issues of consanguinity arise in several aspects of the law. It is directly relevant in determining whether a couple can marry. These are linked to a jurisdiction’s definition of incest, so that couples in an incestuous relationship will not be permitted to marry. Some United States jurisdictions forbid first-cousins to marry, while others limit the prohibition to brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles.

It is a real problem for many houses of European aristocracy who suffer from many genetic defects from many generations of close cousins marrying.

Bug-eyed Lord Monckton has a very inbred look to him.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity

192 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:07:15am

re: #189 Gus 802

I’m looking through the NY Times obits.

When I was younger, my brother and I decided that we could freak out mom by reading the obituaries and crossing the names out of the phone book.

193 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:08:57am

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

When I was younger, my brother and I decided that we could freak out mom by reading the obituaries and crossing the names out of the phone book.

That’s hilarious. I think the older you get the more you read those.

194 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:09:42am

re: #193 Gus 802

That’s hilarious. I think the older you get the more you read those.

Yeah my brother and I have a dark sense of humor.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity

195 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:10:30am

GOP national chairman Michael Steele at the SRLC conference…

“I’m the first here to admit that I’ve made mistakes, and it’s been incumbent on me to take responsibility to shoulder that burden, make the necessary changes and move on,” Steele told GOP activists and party leaders, drawing a standing ovation.

“The one mistake we cannot make this November is to lose,” he added, and the crowd cheered in agreement.

It would seem that reports of Steele’s imminent demise were premature, again.

196 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:11:29am

re: #191 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a real problem for many houses of European aristocracy who suffer from many genetic defects from many generations of close cousins marrying.

Bug-eyed Lord Monckton has a very inbred look to him.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity

It was a joke, Ludwig. I know perfectly well what consanguinity is.

But have a cookie just the same.

197 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:11:53am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah my brother and I have a dark sense of humor.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity

I was a little bit like that too. I remember being fascinated by the miles and miles of cemeteries around Brooklyn.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:12:10am

It’s time for me to go to sleep. I pray that all those who are suffering tonight are comforted and those who have lost a loved one find solace. May those who have been lost be received by God into Heaven.

Amen.

Good night, all.

199 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:14:51am

re: #196 ryannon

It was a joke, Ludwig. I know perfectly well what consanguinity is.

But have a cookie just the same.

Ohh I know you know what it means. I just like writing it out because it digs even more strongly at Lord Monckton and his supporters.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity

200 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:15:30am

re: #177 Gus 802

Oh yeah! My Mennonite women will clobber your Quaker Oats guy that looks like Benjamin Franklin without glasses.

Image: 2682402209_6ab9b63f83.jpg

At least three of them look like New Jersey toughs that have been “shopped” into that photo in drag. They don’t look very happy to be being photographed either, I hope the cameraman managed to get away without being injured.

/

201 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:15:51am

re: #195 ausador

GOP national chairman Michael Steele at the SRLC conference…

“I’m the first here to admit that I’ve made mistakes”

It would seem that reports of Steele’s imminent demise were premature, again.

I disagree with the chairman. We’ve been laughing at his mistakes for a while now.

202 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:16:10am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

It’s time for me to go to sleep. I pray that all those who are suffering tonight are comforted and those who have lost a loved one find solace. May those who have been lost be received by God into Heaven.

Amen.

Good night, all.

(cues sign-off music)

203 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:16:26am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

It’s time for me to go to sleep. I pray that all those who are suffering tonight are comforted and those who have lost a loved one find solace. May those who have been lost be received by God into Heaven.

Amen.

Good night, all.

Later DF!

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:17:37am

OK all, bedtime for Ludwig!

205 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:17:39am

re: #200 ausador

At least three of them look like New Jersey toughs that have been “shopped” into that photo in drag. They don’t look very happy to be being photographed either, I hope the cameraman managed to get away without being injured.

/

Oh. That. Yeah, you know the realities of hair control I’m sure. I know when we used to visit Amish country the general rule was don’t take pictures of the Amish.

206 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:18:32am

I’m out, too. See ya.

207 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:31:00am

It’s the hour of the wolf, the broken-hearted, the poets, dreamers and beautiful losers

208 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:33:27am

Bonneville

Youtube Video
209 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:38:12am

re: #208 Gus 802

Ah, the sweet smell of nitromethane in the morning air!

210 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:42:27am

re: #209 ryannon

Ah, the sweet smell of nitromethane in the morning air!

Retro rockabilly hot rod.

211 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:46:13am

BIG

212 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:47:13am

re: #211 ryannon

BIG

Where’s the prop?

213 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:51:48am

I’m so wanting to have this one….

Thirty-grand, and cheap at that price.

214 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 1:55:55am

re: #213 ryannon

I’m so wanting to have this one…

Thirty-grand, and cheap at that price.

Roadster.

This one will set you back about 1 million.

Aston Martin One-77

215 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:01:10am

re: #214 Gus 802

Roadster.

This one will set you back about 1 million.

Aston Martin One-77

That’s way too much car for me. I know my limits, and I’d be scared of wrapping us both around a tree.

216 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:02:30am

re: #215 ryannon

That’s way too much car for me. I know my limits, and I’d be scared of wrapping us both around a tree.

Yeah, if I had that much money it would be my retirement plan.

217 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:02:49am

War - Low Rider

Youtube Video
218 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:08:04am

Plain Tales of Ordinary Madness, Baltimore Edition, No. 104:

So, I went down to the local dive to get a sixpack around closing time. Met up by chance with my friend George, a graduate student in physics, who was doing the same thing.

There was this Hopkid† on the skids hanging around the outside of the bar, trying to bum beers off of anyone who cared. No one did.

So he sees me and Jorge leaving the joint and decides to latch on to us. “C’mon, man, just one for the road.” We both ignore him until we get to the streetlight, at which point George has enough, pulls a beer off his ‘pack, and says, “Here you go. A beer.”

So this little shit decides that’s somehow an insult instead of charity, and yells, “Yeah, thanks, you stingy-ass faggot!”

Me, I’m walking two paces back with Haku, and my blood boils. What the fuck did he want, the whole sixpack? And anyway (NTTAWWT), George is not a faggot, he’s just weird. High-functioning Asperger’s, if you want to know the truth. I’ve written about George here before.

So I get right up in this kid’s face - like two inches - and say “what the fuck did you just say to my friend? tell it to me! right now!”

And without hesitating, this little fuck hauls off with the free beer he’s just been handed and smacks me as hard as he can upside the head with it. Knocks my glasses off. Then kicks Haku - who is trying to bite his nuts off - hard in the gut. Haku yelps - I look down - kid punches me down on the sidewalk and kicks me three times in the ribs.

And runs.

But the joke was on him. He forgot to pick up his beer can weapon before he left.

There were about two dozen witnesses.

Me and Jorge drank the beer and saved the can as evidence.

219 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:09:49am

re: #218 Cato the Elder

†Hopkid: Johns Hopkins University student who has seen better days

220 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:11:20am

re: #219 Cato the Elder

†Hopkid: Johns Hopkins University student who has seen better days

Hard core Cato!

221 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:11:55am

re: #220 Gus 802

Hard core Cato!

I just wish I was a better fighter.

222 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:14:01am

re: #221 Cato the Elder

I just wish I was a better fighter.

I ran into an old friend today. 6’-8” Husker. He saved my skin once. The man is huge. Older now. I met him almost 20 years ago right before I turned 30.

223 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:20:31am

If he’s some kind of fixture around there, you should take steps to get his ass off the streets. Legally, of course.

224 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:35:15am

re: #217 Gus 802

War - Low Rider


Low-Rider

225 Gus  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:37:13am

Have a good morning all.

226 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:37:20am

re: #223 ryannon

If he’s some kind of fixture around there, you should take steps to get his ass off the streets. Legally, of course.

Of course.

Said Rorschach.

227 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:40:39am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

Of course.

Said Rorschach.

“Hi! We’re from John Hopkins Psych Ward, and we’re here to help you.

228 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:43:22am

Lower Rider. Entering the realm of kinetic art here.

229 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 2:59:05am

Cars and girls

Better than beer and pizza, best all together.

230 ryannon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:11:37am

Same song, but for some reason I like this video better…..

231 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:15:10am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

Of course.

Said Rorschach.

By Hopkid, do you mean he actually was a student?

232 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:36:03am

re: #231 LudwigVanQuixote

By Hopkid, do you mean he actually was a student?

Yep.

$50k a year tuition, and that’s what you get.

233 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:40:32am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

Of course.

Said Rorschach.

That’s how they found him at the bottom of that elevator shaft.

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:49:35am

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Yep.

$50k a year tuition, and that’s what you get.

Ahh hell.

235 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:51:21am

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Yep.

$50k a year tuition, and that’s what you get.

Well, the University will not look kindly on assault and battery charges. Call the cops - which I am sure you did, and that will be that for the kid. He gets to go home to mom and dad an ‘splain himself.

236 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:51:49am

re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, the University will not look kindly on assault and battery charges. Call the cops - which I am sure you did, and that will be that for the kid. He gets to go home to mom and dad an ‘splain himself.

No more summer trips to Bermuda for that brat.

237 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:53:05am

re: #236 laZardo

No more summer trips to Bermuda for that brat.

Not everyone who goes to Hopkins is rich. There are quite a few on scholarship. However, that sort of behavior, does not generally go along with the scholarship kids.

238 cliffster  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:00:10am

We got a guinea pig for our 4 year old girl. Being the good father and husband that I am, I kept reminding them that he was basically a tame rat. “Stop saying that” they said. Tee hee. Then I looked it up.

1. Molecular data indicate that caviomorphs (guinea-pig-like rodents) and myomorphs (rat-like rodents) are not monophyletic. 2. Rather, the evolutionary lineage leading to the guinea-pig may have branched off prior to the divergence among myomorphs, lagomorphs, primates, chiropterans, artiodactyls, and carnivores. 3. Thus, the guinea-pig lineage probably represents an ancient eutherian lineage, and should be conferred an independent ordinal status. 4. The gundis (Ctenodactylidae) also seem to have branched off before the divergence among myomorphs, primates, and artiodactyls, but after the divergence of the guinea-pig. 5. Therefore, the order Rodentia as defined at the present time is in all probability a paraphyletic group devoid of taxonomic validity. 6. Previous claims pertaining to large differences in the rate of molecular evolution between guinea-pigs and myomorphs may have been exaggerated in many cases as a result of the erroneous phylogenetic position attributed to the guinea-pig. 7. The average rate of amino acid replacement in the guinea-pig is comparable to that in the rat and the mouse. 8. Protein-coding genes of myomorphs and caviomorphs evole, on average, about two times faster than their counterparts in gundis and humans.

Well, I’ll be damned. They’re not anything like rats at all. Don’t tell my wife.

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:21:37am

Got in my first “Putin killed the entire Polish ‘ruling class’” argument last night.

I swear to goodness, how does any air traffic move with all the silent black helicopters out there?

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:25:01am

re: #218 Cato the Elder

Geez… When Chuck Norris asks you for a beer, give him the six pack.
/

241 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:28:11am

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Geez… When Chuck Norris asks you for a beer, give him the six pack.
/

Chuck Norris is a wingnut and if he has any self-respect left can buy his own fucking beer.

242 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:29:20am

RICHARD DAWKINS, the atheist campaigner, is planning a legal ambush to have the Pope arrested during his state visit to Britain “for crimes against humanity”.

Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author, have asked human rights lawyers to produce a case for charging Pope Benedict XVI over his alleged cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.

The Pope was embroiled in new controversy this weekend over a letter he signed arguing that the “good of the universal church” should be considered against the defrocking of an American priest who committed sex offences against two boys. It was dated 1985, when he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases.

Benedict will be in Britain between September 16 and 19, visiting London, Glasgow and Coventry, where he will beatify Cardinal John Henry Newman, the 19th-century theologian.

Dawkins and Hitchens believe the Pope would be unable to claim diplomatic immunity from arrest because, although his tour is categorised as a state visit, he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations.

SNIP

243 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:32:19am

Julia Sugarbaker will never die.

Actress Dixie Carter, best known for her role as Julia Sugarbaker on the TV show “Designing Women,” has died, her agent said Saturday. She was 70.

No other details were provided.

Carter was drawn to roles portraying steely Southern women. One of her more recent roles included a guest appearance on the show “Desperate Housewives,” for which she was nominated for an Emmy in 2007.

“This has been a terrible blow to our family,” her husband, the actor Hal Holbrook, told “Entertainment Tonight.” “We would appreciate everyone understanding that this is a private family tragedy.”

SNIP

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:32:33am

re: #241 Cato the Elder

snicker.

245 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:33:07am

Morning Lizards.

I tried to sleep in today but it didn’t work.

I think I need to get some blackout curtains. I seem to wake with the sun so in a couple of months it will be a 5am wakeup call for me. Yaay me. :(

246 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:33:13am

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Chuck Norris is a wingnut and if he has any self-respect left can buy his own fucking beer.

I’d still have a drink with his beard.

247 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:35:17am

SNIP

SNIP

SNIP

And so begins the Early Morning Mandy Show.

Our stealth-bagger.

Catch you all later.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:36:24am

re: #243 MandyManners

That is very young to die these days…

249 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:36:31am

Take care Cato.

250 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:41:54am

INDONESIAN police said on Sunday they had arrested six terror suspects during a police patrol on Indonesia’s Sumatra island.

The group tried to flee when police stopped their car in the North Sumatra capital of Medan, provincial police chief Oegroseno told reporters.

SNIP

Mr Oegroseno declined to say if those arrested, all Indonesians, were connected to a group detained in February after a major anti-terror raid on an extremist training facility in a remote region of Aceh province.

SNIP

During the Aceh Besar raid police found rifles, Malaysian military uniforms and propaganda material including videos of the 2002 bombings on the Indonesian resort island of Bali which killed more than 200 people.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:46:11am

re: #250 MandyManners

My Nephew was at the nightclub on Bali a week or two before the bombings. The fact that he’s alive today, doesn’t make me want these guys less dead…

252 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:50:20am

Good Morning LGF.

253 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:51:35am

re: #250 MandyManners

INDONESIAN police said on Sunday they had arrested six terror suspects during a police patrol on Indonesia’s Sumatra island.

Did they ever figure out if Dulmatin actually died in that raid a few weeks back?

254 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:52:14am

ROPMA.

Three Italian medical workers are among nine people who were detained over an alleged plot to kill an Afghan provincial governor, officials said.

The nine were held after suicide bomb vests, hand grenades, pistols and explosives were discovered in a hospital storeroom in Lashkar Gah, capital of the southern province of Helmand, a spokesman for the provincial government said. Police had been tipped off about a plot to kill Helmand’s governor during a future visit to the hospital, the spokesman said.

SNIP

Investigators believe the suspects were linked to the Taliban insurgency and that the plan had been hatched at a meeting in the Pakistan city of Quetta, said the governor’s spokesman, Daud Ahmadi. He said the plotters planned to carry out a suicide bombing in Lashkar Gah, then wait until the governor came to the hospital to visit the injured. When he did, they planned to attack with grenades, pistols and explosives, Ahmadi said.


SNIP

255 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:53:04am

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My Nephew was at the nightclub on Bali a week or two before the bombings. The fact that he’s alive today, doesn’t make me want these guys less dead…

I bet he had chills running up his spine when he heard about the attack.

256 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:53:22am

re: #252 Spare O’Lake

Good Morning LGF.

‘Sup, Honco?

257 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:53:35am

re: #253 laZardo

Did they ever figure out if Dulmatin actually died in that raid a few weeks back?

Beats me.

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:54:01am

re: #255 MandyManners

Oh, his momma (my sister) did…

259 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:57:15am

A former Cuban political prisoner and his human rights activist wife arrived in New Jersey on Friday, a day after Cuban officials let them leave the island under pressure from Spain.

Nelson Aguiar Ramirez, 64, is an electrician who was among 75 opponents of Fidel Castro’s regime rounded up in 2003 by government security forces. His wife, Dolia Leal, also 64, is a founder of the Ladies in White, a group of mainly wives and mothers of political prisoners. They have drawn international attention with their peaceful marches, in which they dress all in white and hold white flowers in Havana to press for the release of their relatives.

“My husband and I are free now; we’re on free soil,” Leal, who was dressed in white slacks and a white blouse, said to a group of Cuban exiles in Club Cubano, a social club in Elizabeth, N.J.

“But we are continuing our fight for freedom in Cuba.”

SNIP

260 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:58:02am

re: #242 MandyManners

RICHARD DAWKINS, the atheist campaigner, is planning a legal ambush to have the Pope arrested during his state visit to Britain “for crimes against humanity”.

SNIP

What’s up with Dawkins? I see no mention of any trauma in his childhood on the Wiki machine that would cause this attention-whoring battle against all religion in any form. If he was molested or got regular beatings by the nuns, one could connect the dots to some psychological complex or grudge.

He grew up in an environment, exposed to Anglicanism, the most relaxed, science-friendly spin on Christianity anywhere, ever. Anglicans can shrug their shoulders and bend to anything. They take tolerance, they call it the “middle way” to extraordinary lengths…and Dawkins comes from this?!

Someone like Stephen J. Gould, who I saw in person once, is an atheist who can win more people to respecting science than Dawkins ever will. He’s just an attention whore, imho.

261 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:59:49am

re: #256 MandyManners

‘Sup, Honco?

*yawning*
I’m good, and you?
I watched Judgment at Nuremburg last night - always a good movie to watch if you want something light to cheer you up.

262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:00:48am

re: #260 keloyd

I don’t get it either. I’ll never understand the hate.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:02:25am

re: #261 Spare O’Lake

I’m reminded of Leslie Nielson and Priscilla Presley walking out of “Platoon” with tears of laughter in one of the “Naked Gun” movies…

264 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:02:35am

Anyone here ever make english muffins from scratch? I think I might give them a go today.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:04:00am

re: #264 Jadespring

First, you undo the little twistie tie thingy…

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:04:03am

re: #264 Jadespring

Anyone here ever make english muffins from scratch? I think I might give them a go today.

I never have. Seems it might be a lot of work involved. Morning Honcos.

267 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:05:52am

re: #264 Jadespring

Anyone here ever make english muffins from scratch? I think I might give them a go today.

First you have to go to London.

268 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:07:25am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

I never have. Seems it might be a lot of work involved. Morning Honcos.

I found a recipe that uses a bread machine to make the dough. I never realized that you cook them in pan instead of baking them.

269 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:07:31am

With lines not altogether clear between Hizbullah and the Lebanese Armed Forces, the United States has delivered weapons and ammunition to Israel’s northern neighbor and enemy.

The U.S. embassy in Lebanon announced last week that it had delivered on April 2 the first in a series of shipments of weapons and ammunition. The shipment included 1,000 M16A4 rifles, 10 missile launchers, 1,583 grenade launchers, and 538 sets of day/night binoculars and night-vision devices. It was stressed that the equipment would be supported with training provided by the U.S. government.

SNIP

270 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:08:53am

re: #260 keloyd

What’s up with Dawkins? I see no mention of any trauma in his childhood on the Wiki machine that would cause this attention-whoring battle against all religion in any form. If he was molested or got regular beatings by the nuns, one could connect the dots to some psychological complex or grudge.

He grew up in an environment, exposed to Anglicanism, the most relaxed, science-friendly spin on Christianity anywhere, ever. Anglicans can shrug their shoulders and bend to anything. They take tolerance, they call it the “middle way” to extraordinary lengths…and Dawkins comes from this?!

Someone like Stephen J. Gould, who I saw in person once, is an atheist who can win more people to respecting science than Dawkins ever will. He’s just an attention whore, imho.

I have no idea what prompted him to become an atheist.

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:10:29am

re: #270 MandyManners

I don’t think the problem is that he’s an Atheist. Just so hateful.

272 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:12:34am

Opposition leader Viktor Orban, who spurred the populist politics that have led to the rise of the far-right in Hungary, believes his party is set to win a two-thirds majority after Sunday’s parliamentary elections. But it is the right-wing extremist Jobbik party that is setting the hateful tone of the campaign.

The state authorities have their backs up against the wall in front of St. Stephen’s Basilica in Budapest. Three police officers, positioned in the shadow of an Art Nouveau palace, watch motionlessly as Hungary’s National Front marches before their eyes.

Members of citizens’ militias and neo-Nazi groups have taken over patrolling the streets on this day. In combat boots, camouflage or black military uniforms, they form human chains and divide the crowd.

Fifty thousand people have gathered in front of a speaker’s platform. An easterly wind rattles the flags — red and white striped, much like the armbands worn by members of Hungary’s fascist Arrow Cross Party during World War II. The sound of speakers preaching nationalist beliefs reverberates from the loudspeakers.

“Hungary belongs to the Hungarians,” the crowd hears. One speaker claims that Israeli investors and their local agents are in the process of buying up the country with its 10 million inhabitants. The speaker argues that the government doesn’t care where the money comes from and that they’re letting these people “buy Hungary up.” The currently governing Socialists, another speaker warns, will be “obliterated from the face of the Earth” and Roma will be encouraged to emigrate.

SNIP

Young and nationalistic Jobbik wants Hungary, a European Union member, to abolish its Foreign Ministry, tackle “Gypsy crime” and replace all the vexing “commotion over the Holocaust” with more contemporary topics such as overdue battles against the criminal political caste, international high finance and the disgraceful 1920 Treaty of Trianon, which spelled the end of Greater Hungary. “On April 11, we must bang on the table,” Vona says. “And the world will tremble.”

SNIP

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:13:29am

re: #268 Jadespring

I found a recipe that uses a bread machine to make the dough. I never realized that you cook them in pan instead of baking them.

I was looking up cinnamon roll recipes the other day and every thing I found used a bread machine. I need to find my old recipe.

274 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:14:03am

re: #261 Spare O’Lake

*yawning*
I’m good, and you?
I watched Judgment at Nuremburg last night - always a good movie to watch if you want something light to cheer you up.

I read and iced my foot—that little toe and the top of my foot are solid purple and are still swolen.

275 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:14:36am

re: #264 Jadespring

Anyone here ever make english muffins from scratch? I think I might give them a go today.

Flour might be better.

276 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:15:33am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don’t think the problem is that he’s an Atheist. Just so hateful.

He does seem to have his knickers in a twist. I love his rants about Islam, though.

277 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:16:57am

Morning all.

278 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:18:40am

re: #261 Spare O’Lake

*yawning*
I’m good, and you?
I watched Judgment at Nuremburg last night - always a good movie to watch if you want something light to cheer you up.

Ernst “Yawning” (sorry for the pun) was played by the great Burt Lancaster. With Spencer Tracy as the chief Judge, Maximillian Schell as the defence attorney, Richard Widmark as the prosecutor, Montgomery Clift as the sterilization victim, Marlene Dietrich as the “let’s move on” advocate, etc., etc. - what a spectacular cast. Even had William Shatner in an irritating role as an irritating aide. I generally watch Judgment about twice a year, and never cease to be amazed.

279 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:20:02am

Cooperation between Israel and Palestinian Authority: Over the weekend, Palestinian security forces transferred to the Israel Defense Forces 17 explosive devices in various sizes uncovered during activity around Tulkarem. The explosives found include pipe bombs and more complex devices intended for terror attacks. The explosives were detonated by a military sapper.

The incident joins a serious of cases in which Palestinian security forces uncovered weapons and transferred them to the IDF. Recently, the Palestinians uncovered near Nablus a powerful bomb weighing over 20 kilograms connected to a gas balloon and transferred it to the IDF.

SNIP

The PA charter still calls for the destuction of Israel.

280 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:20:22am

re: #277 RogueOne

Morning all.

What’s shaking?

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:23:40am

Breakfast at the CCA house:
Fried taters, topped with taco meat, topped with cheddar, topped with 2 over easy eggies. Served with a side of sour cream and salsa (hot).

282 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:24:13am

re: #274 MandyManners

I read and iced my foot—that little toe and the top of my foot are solid purple and are still swolen.

(((Mandy)))
You are getting it checked by your doctor, right?

283 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:25:00am

re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was looking up cinnamon roll recipes the other day and every thing I found used a bread machine. I need to find my old recipe.

I just recently got a bread machine. I avoided getting one for years because I’m just not into lots of ‘gadgets’ when it comes to cooking or baking. Now I wish I had gotten one years ago though my waistline might disagree. I only bake sandwich and toast bread in the machine but have been using the dough function more and more for things like cinnamon rolls and basic dinner buns. The best is french bread. I love the stuff and generally wouldn’t take the time to make it myself. With the bread machine making the dough is like magic. Put everything into it, press a button, go about your business and presto…dough! Now I make up a batch of french bread dough, make it into mini loaves and freeze it. It’s just like the ready bake loaves you can get at the store.

Deeelicious!

284 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:25:27am

re: #280 MandyManners

What’s shaking?

Watching the last part of this series, it’s very well done:

Film Tells How to Stay Out of Jail
[Link: www.rollcall.com…]


The scene is a familiar one. A young African-American man is pulled over and, after he responds derisively to the officer’s requests, finds himself in handcuffs.

This is not an episode of “Cops,” though. It’s a scene from the new film “10 Rules for Dealing with the Police,” a project of the nonprofit group Flex Your Rights that seeks to educate both the public and police officers about how to avoid disproportionate reactions in what should be routine encounters.

After the disastrous opening scene, the film pulls back to a courtroom in which Baltimore trial lawyer William “Billy” Murphy lays out some basic pointers before a rapt audience. “I know how the law works, and I know that for many people the law sometimes doesn’t work,” he says.

10 Rules for Dealing with Police

Youtube Video
285 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:25:49am

re: #282 Spare O’Lake

(((Mandy)))
You are getting it checked by your doctor, right?

Motion respectively seconded.

286 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:27:02am

re: #282 Spare O’Lake

(((Mandy)))
You are getting it checked by your doctor, right?

Nah. It’s just broken. I’ve broken toes before and this is par for the course.

287 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:29:45am

re: #284 RogueOne

10 Rules for Dealing with Police

[Video]

Is it as funny as this?

Youtube Video

NSFW

288 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:29:52am

re: #283 Jadespring

Bread machines are awesome. My dad loved his. Pizza D’oh!! is something that freezes well. But when I bake, I am kinda old skool.

289 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:33:26am

re: #285 Taqyia2Me

I did too much around the house Friday and Saturday so I expected pay-back.

290 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:34:37am

re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar

Breakfast at the CCA house:
Fried taters, topped with taco meat, topped with cheddar, topped with 2 over easy eggies. Served with a side of sour cream and salsa (hot).

Sounds yummy. I made eggs benny for dinner last night which is why I’m thinking about english muffins this am. (I used the twist tie method). I’m finally getting the from scratch hollandaise sauce down, it turned out perfect, so it’s onto, ‘so what else can I learn to make from scratch.”

291 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:36:03am

re: #287 MandyManners

Remind me never to drive you around. (;

292 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:36:53am

Morning Lizards.

((Mandy))

re: #287 MandyManners

ROFLMSAO

293 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:37:11am

re: #289 MandyManners

I did too much around the house Friday and Saturday so I expected pay-back.

Maybe at least a day of rest today then???

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:38:42am

re: #290 Jadespring

Hollandaise sauce is tricky. Your butter has to be just right. And if you like seafood, substitute a crab cake for the ham on eggs bennie. :)

295 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:41:35am

re: #288 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bread machines are awesome. My dad loved his. Pizza D’oh!! is something that freezes well. But when I bake, I am kinda old skool.

I am pretty old skool which is why I avoided the machine. I learned to make bread from Mom before I was 12. She’s an amazing cook and baker and I still can’t seem to get her knack for making pastry. I think she has secret powers or something. It really became about time though. I would only make bread occasionally because of it. Now with the machine it’s easy to make a loaf every couple of days with barely any planning and time needed. I’m also enjoying the delay function. There’s nothing like waking up to the smell of a freshly baking loaf.

296 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:43:41am

re: #291 laZardo

Remind me never to drive you around. (;

re: #292 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

((Mandy))

ROFLMSAO

“HE GOT WEED! HE GOT WEED!”

297 laZardo  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:44:04am

Gonna do homework.

Leaving you with some peanuts.

Youtube Video

Cheers.

298 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:44:43am

re: #293 Taqyia2Me

Maybe at least a day of rest today then???

Oh, yes. My only plans to get out are to get a copy of the NYT and take The Kid to the park.

299 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:45:23am

re: #294 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hollandaise sauce is tricky. Your butter has to be just right. And if you like seafood, substitute a crab cake for the ham on eggs bennie. :)

I’m not a seafood person for the most part. I did however enjoy a benny with smoked salmon once. My favourite though is peameal bacon, with mushroom benny being a close second.

301 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:48:47am

re: #287 MandyManners

I love that bit. It does have some of the same rules, don’t run, be polite, hands on the wheel, and shut the f*ck up.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:51:00am

re: #299 Jadespring

I’m not a seafood person for the most part. I did however enjoy a benny with smoked salmon once. My favourite though is peameal bacon, with mushroom benny being a close second.

The nice thing is, other than baking or pastries, recipes are just guidelines. I like a “Country Bennie”. Biscuit topped with eggs and covered with sausage gravy. And I’m with ya on the mom thing. All my mom does is bake. But she taught me well. I started making fudge at age 9.

303 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:52:09am

Fire up the waaahhhhmbulance.

The Michigan-based separatist movement lured followers with an explosive mixture of radical religious interpretation and a deep hostility toward government, especially law enforcement.

It trained in the use of weapons and talked of killing police officers.

After building a criminal case, federal law enforcement officials prepared to move in. The suspects all were considered armed and dangerous. FBI agents lured them to a site away from their base of operations in hopes they could be arrested peacefully. The defendants could live to fight in court.

At this point, we could be describing the March arrests of nine members of the Hutaree, a Christian terrorist movement whose members are charged with seditious conspiracy, or the October case of Imam Luqman Abdullah and 11 followers on conspiracy and weapons charges.

The arrests have one significant and tragic difference. All the Hutaree suspects surrendered when agents came to arrest them, one after a lengthy standoff, and no one was hurt. But Abdullah was killed after refusing to surrender and firing his gun as FBI agents moved in. One of three shots fired from Abdullah’s gun killed a police dog sent in to subdue him.

An autopsy report shows he was shot 20 times, all between the chest and thigh. As we’ve noted, Abdullah supporters have tried to cast the shooting as an excessive, unjust reaction. The most recent iteration of that campaign came this week, as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Michigan office released a handful of pictures from that autopsy.

SNIP

Walid’s campaign should be viewed in context of an ongoing feud between the FBI and CAIR. The FBI broke off outreach communications with CAIR in 2008, based on evidence in a Texas terror-financing trial which showed CAIR’s founders, including current Executive Director Nihad Awad, were part of U.S.-based Hamas support network. The Department of Justice has been resolute in defending prosecutors’ decision to name CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case.

SNIP

304 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:52:44am

re: #300 Spare O’Lake

What is apparently happening in much of Europe is going to make the US political scene look like a tea party in comparison.

Scones with clotted cream and strawberries?

305 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:53:37am

re: #301 RogueOne

I love that bit. It does have some of the same rules, don’t run, be polite, hands on the wheel, and shut the f*ck up.

That and tell your friend to shut the fuck up.

306 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:56:23am

re: #305 MandyManners

That and tell your friend to shut the fuck up.

That would have been me. I was always the one in the background saying “tell that cop to kiss your ass!”.

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:59:04am

My brother went food shopping yesterday. He got me “fat free” half and half. WTF? I will lecture him later.

308 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:01:19am

THAI army troops fired live rounds at anti-government Red Shirt protesters in the heart of Thailand’s capital yesterday, injuring more than 70 in a dramatic escalation of the month-long stand-off between demonstrators and security forces.

Ninety-three people, including 22 soldiers, were taken to Bangkok hospitals with various injuries. Several had been shot.

The Red Shirts, who are calling for the resignation of the government and fresh elections to be held, rallied at three main protest sites yesterday: at their base at Phan Fah Bridge in the old part of the city, at the Ratchaprasong shopping centre district and at a TV satellite station where their TV channel, PTV, was twice shut down by the government last week.

SNIP

309 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:01:27am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

My brother went food shopping yesterday. He got me “fat free” half and half. WTF? I will lecture him later.

Ick. I don’t even want to know what that tastes like.

310 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:01:37am

re: #306 RogueOne

That would have been me. I was always the one in the background saying “tell that cop to kiss your ass!”.

Life of the party!

311 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:01:59am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

My brother went food shopping yesterday. He got me “fat free” half and half. WTF? I will lecture him later.

Is there such a thing?

312 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:05:08am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

My brother went food shopping yesterday. He got me “fat free” half and half. WTF? I will lecture him later.

I shudder to think what they put in there instead of butterfat.

313 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:06:22am

re: #309 Jadespring

re: #311 MandyManners

They really need a “Fat Free” section at the market. That way there is no mix up. Just sayin’.

314 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:08:00am

re: #311 MandyManners

Apparently.

315 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:09:01am

re: #312 Spare O’Lake

From the link I found.

Ingredients Statement

Fat Free Milk, Milk*, Corn Syrup, Artificial Color**, Sodium Citrate, Potassium Phosphate, Mono and Diglycerides, Carrageenan, Vitamin A Palmitate. *Adds an insignificant amount of fat. **Not found in regular half and half. Gluten Free

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:09:13am

re: #312 Spare O’Lake

I shudder to think what they put in there instead of butterfat.

You made me look at the ingredients. Skim milk, corn syrup. Bleh.

317 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:10:01am

An attacker threw an explosive device over the wall around the U.S. consulate in the border city of Nuevo Laredo, breaking windows and startling employees inside but causing no injuries, the U.S. Embassy said Saturday.

The attack, which took place about 11:30 p.m. Friday, is under investigation, embassy spokesman Claude Young said.

Nuevo Laredo, across the Rio Grande River from Laredo, Texas, and other cities have seen increased violence in recent weeks as powerful Mexican drug cartels battle over control of lucrative trafficking along the border.

SNIP

318 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:10:25am

re: #313 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #311 MandyManners

They really need a “Fat Free” section at the market. That way there is no mix up. Just sayin’.

I read labels.

319 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:11:03am

re: #312 Spare O’Lake

I shudder to think what they put in there instead of butterfat.

I googled.

Nonfat milk, milk*, corn syrup solids, artificial color**, sugar, dipotassium phosphate, sodium citrate, mono and diglycerides*, carageenan, natural and artifical flavors,

Looks like it’s a fat removed and then ‘thickened’ concoction

320 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:11:20am

re: #314 Bubblehead II

Apparently.

Ingredients Statement
Fat Free Milk, Milk*, Corn Syrup, Artificial Color**, Sodium Citrate, Potassium Phosphate, Mono and Diglycerides, Carrageenan, Vitamin A Palmitate. *Adds an insignificant amount of fat. **Not found in regular half and half. Gluten Free

Ick.

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:11:28am

re: #318 MandyManners

I read labels.

So do I. I didn’t do the shopping, though.

322 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:11:34am

re: #315 Bubblehead II

GMTA.

323 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:12:07am

re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar

So do I. I didn’t do the shopping, though.

Never send a boy to do a man’s job.

325 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:12:51am

Lots of Lizard “fat free” googlefu this morning! :D

326 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:16:27am

re: #318 MandyManners

I am so not going there.

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:17:11am

re: #325 Jadespring

Lots of Lizard “fat free” googlefu this morning! :D

If something says fat free, the substitute is always chemicals.

328 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:21:22am

Another reason to hate soccer.
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk…]

329 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:21:34am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

SCIENCE!

330 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:22:44am

NHS relax superbug safeguards for Muslim staff… just days after Christian nurse is banned from wearing crucifix for health and safety reasons

Muslim doctors and nurses are to be allowed for religious reasons to opt out of strict NHS dress codes introduced to prevent the spread of deadly hospital superbugs.

The Department of Health has announced that female Muslim staff will be permitted to cover their arms on hospital wards to preserve their modesty.

This is despite earlier guidance that all staff should be ‘bare below the elbow’ after long sleeves were blamed for spreading bacteria, leading to superbug deaths.

The Department has also relaxed its ‘no jewellery’ rule by making it clear that Sikhs can wear bangles, as long as they can be pushed up the arm during direct patient care.

The move contrasts with the case of nurse Shirley Chaplin, who last week lost her discrimination battle against Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital Trust, which said the cross she has worn since she was 16 was a ‘hazard’ because it could scratch patients.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:24:49am

re: #328 Cannadian Club Akbar

Another reason to hate soccer.
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk…]

No fun allowed in Islam.

332 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:25:36am

re: #324 RogueOne

The border area is getting close to being a war zone.

It already is. Remember the Americans working at the consulate who were assasinated?

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:25:50am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

No fun allowed in Islam.

Not sure about that. Cutting off heads is a hoot!!
/need I?

335 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:27:30am

re: #332 MandyManners

It already is. Remember the Americans working at the consulate who were assasinated?

IIRC, it was a hit job, but killing the wrong people.:(

336 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:28:54am
337 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:28:57am

Pakistani airstrikes killed nearly 100 suspected militants in two northwest tribal regions Saturday, an apparent intensification of efforts by the army to mop up Taliban fighters fleeing a military operation farther south.

The strikes were carried out in the Orakzai and Khyber tribal regions.

In Orakzai, some 54 alleged militants were killed during ongoing clashes over a checkpoint in the Baizoti town area, local official Samiullah Khan told The Associated Press.

Another 42 people, most of them suspected insurgents, died in the Khyber tribal region when military jets pounded a hide-out the in Sra Walla area. The location was believed to be a gathering point for the Lashker-e-Islam insurgent group.

BOOM

338 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:29:30am

re: #335 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, it was a hit job, but killing the wrong people.:(

My take on it is that it was political.

339 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:30:37am

re: #330 NJDhockeyfan

We have approached, or are far past a point where we need to stop using the dated 18th century word “rights”. Rights to free speech, religion, etc. are fine to talk about in school and blogs, but in the real world? bah! The facts on the ground is you belong to a group that can grab and hold what it wants, or you don’t. There’s no “rights”, there’s no “fair”, there’s no “unicorns”. There’s just what you have the power to take, and what you can’t take.

It’s true for Christians; it’s true for Muslims; it’s true for the state of Israel’s “right to exist”; it’s true everywhere and always. Prove me wrong.

340 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:31:45am
341 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:33:36am

The Cuban revolution’s iconic singer blasts the government. The usually cautious Catholic Church warns of economic collapse. Raúl Castro mysteriously disappears from public view for 23 days.

A well-known Havana author calls for “democratic socialism.” A growing number of Cubans are reportedly resigning from the Communist Party. A major corruption scandal hits Havana.

Food shortages are growing, public transport is almost nonexistent in many areas, and the prospects for change are nil, according to five Cubans who arrived last month in Miami.

These are turbulent times in Cuba, where Raúl Castro’s rise to the presidency unleashed — and so far has dashed — hopes for far-reaching reforms to yank the island out of its worst economic crisis in decades.

Cuba’s communist system has survived many and worse crises and virtually all Cuba-watchers believe Castro, who officially replaced his ailing brother Fidel in 2008, is highly likely to survive this one, too.

Yet signs of the mounting frustration with the current communist system and demands for change are everywhere.

SNIP

343 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:36:54am

Obama election-year jobs agenda stalls in Congress

WASHINGTON — The election-year jobs agenda promised by President Barack Obama and Democrats has stalled seven months before voters determine control of Congress.

Democrats have no money to pay for the program. That’s because both Republicans and the Democratic chairman of the Senate Budget Committee objected to taking money left over from the fund that bailed out banks, automakers and insurers and using it for the jobs bill.

Such a move, they insisted, would add tens of billions of dollars to the $12.8 trillion national debt.

An $80 billion-plus Senate plan promised an infusion of cash to build roads and schools, help local governments keep teachers on the payroll, and provide rebates for homeowners who make energy-saving investments. Two months after the plan was introduced, most of those main elements remain on the Senate’s shelf.

Obama’s proposed $250 bonus payment to Social Security recipients is dead for the year, having lost a Senate vote last month.

What’s going ahead instead are more modest initiatives. That includes some help for small business or simple extensions of parts from last year’s economic stimulus measure. None is expected to make an appreciable dent in an unemployment rate, stuck at 9.7 percent.

Even legislation to help the jobless has run into trouble.

The idea of a jobs agenda arose late last year when the unemployment rate hit 10 percent and Democrats voiced concern that the majority party wasn’t doing enough to spur job creation.

Out of money already…shocka!

/but the health care bill will save us money…yeah, right.

344 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:37:14am

re: #336 NJDhockeyfan

That article, near the bottom, warns people of “death camps” that Obama “has prepared” for those who oppose him.

Are you sure about that site?

345 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:38:06am

re: #341 MandyManners

Raúl Castro mysteriously disappears from public view for 23 days.

He’s been touring Michael Moore’s refrigerator..

346 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:38:50am

re: #340 MandyManners

Narcissism?

You really want to trust the take and info an article/blog post which has the authoring talking about stuff like this?

“For any of the few Americans left daring to oppose Obama we had previously warned about the massive death camps he is preparing for them, but which these most strange of peoples continue to deny the existence of in their naïve belief that if they choose not to believe a thing it makes it not true. (If this behavior sounds familiar it is only because Obama and his cohorts have, literally, used the same playbook used by the Nazis against the once free German people.)”

347 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:40:27am

re: #344 reine.de.tout

That article, near the bottom, warns people of “death camps” that Obama “has prepared” for those who oppose him.

Are you sure about that site?

Yeah no kidding. Lots of loonyiness if you read the whole thing.

348 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:41:37am

re: #347 Jadespring

Yeah no kidding. Lots of loonyiness if you read the whole thing.

Looked that way to me.

349 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:41:49am

re: #336 NJDhockeyfan

“For any of the few Americans left daring to oppose Obama we had previously warned about the massive death camps he is preparing for them, but which these most strange of peoples continue to deny the existence of in their naïve belief that if they choose not to believe a thing it makes it not true. (If this behavior sounds familiar it is only because Obama and his cohorts have, literally, used the same playbook used by the Nazis against the once free German people.)”

Might want to read the whole thing before you link to it.

350 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:42:18am

re: #344 reine.de.tout

That article, near the bottom, warns people of “death camps” that Obama “has prepared” for those who oppose him.

Are you sure about that site?

I thought it was a legit newspaper in Europe. Was I wrong?

351 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:43:43am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know.
If you read the entire article, it looks pretty loony.
Warning Americans of “death camps” Obama has prepared?
50% of the population is now supporting the other 50%?
Secret government intelligent services assassinating citizens?

352 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44:05am

re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don’t tell Michael Moore!!
/

Maybe he likes fat-free half-and-half.

353 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44:20am

re: #334 MandyManners

Conservative Party leader David Cameron should pick up on these kind of issues. Might help him get elected elected with more seats than projected.

354 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44:20am

Oh gawd….my dog is sleeping next to my chair and has wicked gas.

355 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44:35am

re: #351 reine.de.tout

I mean dude, come on.
I didn’t vote for Obama.
But sheesh - that stuff is just garbage.

356 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:45:00am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

I thought it was a legit newspaper in Europe. Was I wrong?

I think so. It looks more like a blog posting and it tracks to Odingo.com

357 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:45:20am

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan

He’s been touring Michael Moore’s refrigerator..

He stole his fat-free half-and-half.

358 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:45:41am

re: #346 Jadespring

I just the snippet and a bit of the article.

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:46:02am

Death Camps. FEMA Camps. This one time at band camp….

360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:47:00am

re: #352 MandyManners

Maybe he likes fat-free half-and-half.

That dude doesn’t like fat free anything.

361 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:47:07am

re: #353 sandbox

Conservative Party leader David Cameron should pick up on these kind of issues. Might help him get elected elected with more seats than projected.

He’d be accused of “Islamaphobia”.

362 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:48:01am

re: #358 MandyManners

I just the snippet and a bit of the article.

The article is pretty long, and I think it’s that way on purpose.
The first part is a tad loony.
The really crazy stuff starts appearing near the bottom.
So that folks will do exactly what you did - read the first bit of it and think it’s legit.

363 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:49:43am

re: #362 reine.de.tout

I just skimmed toward the very bottom. Lunacy.

364 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:49:52am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like a wacky conspiracy site to me.

Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops To Prepare For Civil War

Google Cache. Don’t think Charles would like us directly linking to these nut jobs.

365 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:50:56am

NJD - I think you’d best report yourself on that one.

366 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:51:29am
367 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:51:44am

re: #355 reine.de.tout

I mean dude, come on.
I didn’t vote for Obama.
But sheesh - that stuff is just garbage.

I think you are correct. Look at this article from last November:

Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops to Prepare for Civil War

Russian Military Analysts are reporting to Prime Minister Putin that US President Barack Obama has issued orders to his Northern Command’s (USNORTHCOM) top leader, US Air Force General Gene Renuart, to “begin immediately” increasing his military forces to 1 million troops by January 30, 2010, in what these reports warn is an expected outbreak of civil war within the United States before the end of winter.

According to these reports, Obama has had over these past weeks “numerous” meetings with his war council about how best to manage the expected implosion of his Nations banking system while at the same time attempting to keep the United States military hegemony over the World in what Russian Military Analysts state is a “last ditch gambit” whose success is “far from certain”.

They need to put the word ‘satire’ somewhere on their website.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:53:02am

re: #365 reine.de.tout

NJD - I think you’d best report yourself on that one.

I did. I hate being fooled by a stinking website.

369 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:53:06am

re: #364 Bubblehead II

Looks like a wacky conspiracy site to me.

Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops To Prepare For Civil War

Google Cache. Don’t think Charles would like us directly linking to these nut jobs.

That site said 1 million troops by January 30, 2010. Nutballs.

370 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:53:48am

To post on the actual topic of the thread:

One reason to use the kindle rather than another device is the black-and-white display is much more power efficient. The way the display works is by running a current that causes black powder contained inside tiny bubbles on the screen to either jump up (making the bubble appear black) or scatter to the sides, making it look white/gray. So the charge only has to be run once every ‘page’, and then the bubbles are appropriately colored.

On any device with a full color screen, every pixel must be powered every minute, making it draw much more power.

So from a batter-consumption/environmental standpoint, the kindle is a superior product.

And this is being said even when my company is doing ‘ebook’ version of things on its handhelds.

371 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:54:06am

re: #364 Bubblehead II

GMTA…good catch!

372 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:54:28am

Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops to Prepare for Civil War War Between The States

ftfy //

373 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:55:11am

OK.
Enough with the nastiness.

I’ve said before that for any disagreement I have with the Obama administration, I have to admire the President and his wife for seeming to be very good parents (the safety and welfare of kids being an issue close to my heart).

Anyhow -
Fox has this article, Obama breaks protocol by leaving the WH without the press corps.

It appears he did it in order to privately attend a soccer game one of his daughters was playing in and didn’t want to bring all the presidental hoopla with him.

Good move on his part, imo.

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:55:45am

re: #370 Obdicut

Buzzkill.
//

375 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:56:07am

re: #370 Obdicut

To post on the actual topic of the thread:

One reason to use the kindle rather than another device is the black-and-white display is much more power efficient. The way the display works is by running a current that causes black powder contained inside tiny bubbles on the screen to either jump up (making the bubble appear black) or scatter to the sides, making it look white/gray. So the charge only has to be run once every ‘page’, and then the bubbles are appropriately colored.

On any device with a full color screen, every pixel must be powered every minute, making it draw much more power.

So from a batter-consumption/environmental standpoint, the kindle is a superior product.

And this is being said even when my company is doing ‘ebook’ version of things on its handhelds.

Obdi - good morning!
And why are you coming in here at this hour of the morning screwing with the current vibe by posting on-topic?

376 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:56:54am

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

I did. I hate being fooled by a stinking website.

Gotta read the whole thing.

378 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:58:25am

BBIAB.

379 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:00:33am

Yeah looking into it more it looks like the EU times has a connection or ‘sympathy’ with white nationalism. Check out the ‘activism’ part of their website.

Also found lots of reference to it’s ‘greatness’ from other white nationalist sites as a source and a good many very anti-semetic and disgusting Jewish conspiracy comments on some of their articles.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:00:57am

re: #376 reine.de.tout

Gotta read the whole thing.

I usually do. Sometimes one slips by me.

381 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:01:54am

The Little green football prayer list
On in day in History:
April 11, 1951, President Truman relieved Gen. Douglas MacArthur of his commands in the Far East

FBV: Lord we pray for his mother while she deals with cancer…Bring Strength, Grace and comfort to her and Veggies Family
…
We thank you Lord for your kindness to Lazardo’s Family.. Look after them and bring them blessings..

Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies

Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.

Ausador: Parents
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife’s best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.

SteveC: Two friends, one needs heart surgery, and one might.
If you could add Sherman Nugent and his family to the prayer list, it would be greatly appreciated. He was a professor at my school since 1968, and a good friend to many. He only stopped teaching and conducting research a couple of semesters ago. Not sure if adding a link to obituaries is customary or not, but here it is: link-
Dark_Falcon Hoops, I have a late addition to the Prayer List: Last week my sister fell and seriously fractured her ankle. She has cerebral palsy, and though two surgeries have enabled her to walk normally, when she hurries she can still fall sometimes. This time she got hurt badly and your thoughts and prayers are appreciated.
My other friend got a surgical date in January. She quickly got tired of the waiting and asked the surgeon if she could reschedule earlier. Now she’s set for Nov 16
Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…

lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
,
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn’t go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Pinhas, and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They’re in their 80’s and slipping in to ALZ…Simultaneously
We pray for all our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom.. Comfort the families Dear Lord this morning…
Give strength to all our Armed Forces serving at home or abroad …America thanks you.
God Bless President Obama and his family…

God Bless Israel.. Continue to bless her with prosperity and strength…The land of Milk and Honey…


Thank you Lord..
Amen

382 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:02:13am

re: #381 HoosierHoops

Thank you HH

383 Bubblehead II  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:03:35am

Well Lizards I got to run. Lost track of time and it’s time to head off to w*rk.

L8R

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

Happens. My first (and so far only) deletion was for linking to a Alex Jones type conspiracy blog.

384 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:03:53am

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

I usually do. Sometimes one slips by me.

It happens. At least now we all know.

385 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:05:05am

Oh, heck!

I always liked the actress Dixie Carter.
She died.

386 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:05:16am

re: #369 Cannadian Club Akbar

That site said 1 million troops by January 30, 2010. Nutballs.

Protofascist — the “Science” section is all about Race.

387 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:06:38am

re: #375 reine.de.tout

I haven’t had coffee yet so I don’t have the energy to read the thread, but I wanted to get that out there.

The Kindle guys (rather, the guys who make the screen material, who are not the same people who make the Kindle) came to my company to give a demonstration of the product. It costs a lot per square inch, since the manufacturing is still in its infancy, but hopefully that cost will be going down. We would have loved to use them but the costs to the consumer per product would be too high for us, and they wouldn’t sell.

Sorry it took awhile to reply, my lovely girl woke up with a bad back and I had to use the best piece of modern technology on her ever— the buzzything, a medical-grade back massager.

388 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:07:17am

re: #379 Jadespring

Yeah looking into it more it looks like the EU times has a connection or ‘sympathy’ with white nationalism. Check out the ‘activism’ part of their website.

Also found lots of reference to it’s ‘greatness’ from other white nationalist sites as a source and a good many very anti-semetic and disgusting Jewish conspiracy comments on some of their articles.

I did a Google search and low & behold there is a link to Stormfront looking for donations for the EU Times.

EU Times has started a campaign to raise money for an image boost.
Come on guys let’s help them out. Let’s each of us give em $1 or more. $1 is virtually zero for us but alot for them. Let’s say 200 stormfronters donate 1 buck in a day, this would make 200 bucks for them which is a pretty decent sum.

No doubt who their readers are. Shame on all the blogs who are posting this story as legit. Thank God for LGF who can expose them within minutes.

389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:08:22am

re: #381 HoosierHoops

Thanks, Hoops… Jeff has already lost the ability to speak. The disease is progressing rapidly. Blessing or curse? Not sure.

390 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:08:57am

The American-led “engagement” policies towards Iran is going to result in the very war it wants to prevent, according to an Iranian CIA spy. He says the only way to prevent a possible nuclear war with Iran is to attack the country now.

In the meantime, Iran announced Sunday it has started mass-producing a new medium-range anti-aircraft missile that “can destroy modern planes in low and medium altitudes.”

Writing under the pseudonym Raza Kahlil, his book “A Time to Betray” reveals that he began to spy on Iran for the CIA after he was disillusioned by the 1979 revolution and fled the Islamic Republic.

Interviewed by Reza Aslan of the Daily Beast web site, “Kahlil” predicted that if Iran obtains a nuclear weapon, which it apparently will do, “The Iranian people are going to pay a very, very heavy price. And you could see major destruction in Iran.”

He reasoned that the West is “dragging out” its attempts to place harsher sanctions on Iran and “is not dealing with it the way they should. One thing they could do very simply is cut off shipping lines—all airspace and shipping lines closed to everything coming into Iran and going out of Iran,” which is an act of war.

“Let it be an act of war.” he said. “You’ve got two choices: Either take out the [Revolutionary] Guard right now, or wait until they have a bomb. It’s a matter of who takes the more serious step. Let it be an act of war and let’s see what Iran does. Give them a deadline. No one has taken a serious stand to see if they will back down, and unless you do, they’re going to become a nuclear-armed state.

“So the decision comes to this, and this is the bottom line: Do we accept Iran as a nuclear-armed state or not? Anything else is just total hot air. It is just one question, do we accept it or not?”

SNIP

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:09:37am

re: #381 HoosierHoops

Mom’s in remission again. You can take her off the list. She’s whipped cancer’s butt again.

392 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:11:01am

re: #387 Obdicut

I haven’t had coffee yet so I don’t have the energy to read the thread, but I wanted to get that out there.

The Kindle guys (rather, the guys who make the screen material, who are not the same people who make the Kindle) came to my company to give a demonstration of the product. It costs a lot per square inch, since the manufacturing is still in its infancy, but hopefully that cost will be going down. We would have loved to use them but the costs to the consumer per product would be too high for us, and they wouldn’t sell.

Sorry it took awhile to reply, my lovely girl woke up with a bad back and I had to use the best piece of modern technology on her ever— the buzzything, a medical-grade back massager.

I was kidding with you.
But I do have a Kindle and I love it

It goes right into my purse anytime I leave the house - I keep 30 or so books on it so if I finish one thing, the next one is right there, no sitting around in a waiting room frustrated because I finished something and the next book is still at home, just calling to me.

Plus my house is out of space for book storage. I MUST declutter (and will be doing so soon!). The problem will be deciding what to keep - probably books that are no longer printed but good sources of information. Argh.
Tough decisions.

393 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:11:36am

re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, Hoops… Jeff has already lost the ability to speak. The disease is progressing rapidly. Blessing or curse? Not sure.

{FBV}
So sorry for your friend and his family.

394 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:11:36am

I’d like to buy a fairly pricey book from Amazon UK. Are there any tricks to making sure LGF gets credited?

395 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:12:42am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

I’d like to buy a fairly pricey book from Amazon UK. Are there any tricks to making sure LGF gets credited?

Hm.
Use Charles’ link to amazon, and navigate to Amazon UK from there.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:13:19am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

I’d like to buy a fairly pricey book from Amazon UK. Are there any tricks to making sure LGF gets credited?

Buy me something!

397 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:13:31am

Dog is talking to me, telling me he needs to go out.
It’s always amazing to me how my animals can so clearly let me know what they need/want.
BBL

398 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:13:43am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

As long as you start by clicking on an Amazon ad from LGF you’ve done the best you can. I don’t know if the “associates’ program works from the UK site though.

399 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:14:22am

A former British resident held in Guantanamo Bay for more than eight years has launched a legal battle to stay at the US Navy prison even though he has been cleared for release.

Lawyers for Ahmed Belbacha have submitted an emergency plea to the US courts seeking to prevent his forced return to his home country of Algeria, where he fears he would be tortured by the security services or killed by an Islamic terror network.

He claims that a visit by the US Attorney General, Eric Holder, to Algeria this week will pave the way for his imminent transfer.

Mr Belbacha, a 39-year-old accountant, lived for nearly three years in the seaside town of Bournemouth, Dorset, where he studied English and worked as a hotel porter.

His lawyers have repeatedly asked the UK Government to offer him residency in the UK but these requests have been turned down on the grounds that the Algerian has no automatic right to live in the UK.

SNIP

His fears about Algeria were confirmed by what his lawyers called an alarming “conviction” delivered in absentia by an Algerian court last November. Reprieve, the UK-based legal charity representing him, described the proceedings as a disgraceful “show trial”, where no lawyer was appointed to defend Mr Belbacha.

SNIP

Yesterday a Foreign Office spokesman said: “The five individuals [UK residents formerly held at Guantanamo Bay] on whose behalf we made representations to the US for their release and return, while not UK nationals, had been legally resident in the UK prior to their detention. Although Ahmed Belbacha spent time in the UK, he was never legally resident. He entered the UK illegally, his application for asylum was refused and his appeal was dismissed.”

SNIP

400 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:14:57am

re: #377 MandyManners

The CIA is likely still up to its old tricks, though Clinton defanged it as well. Some thing on Link TV made the case that the CIA is arming the Kurdish minority in Iran too. No one admits anything, but then again there are poor, desperate people in the hills with state-of-the-art stuff who make endless mischief for one of our enemies, nttawwt.

Link TV is high on agenda and speculation, sometimes short on journalistic integrity, but one supposes, charitably, they should get some points for original work and stories no one else takes seriously.

“If your enemy has a choleric [hot, twitchy] temper, irritate him.” - Sun Tzu

401 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:19:08am

Eegad! None other than Brigham Young University is now alleged to be part of the vast secular-humanist conspiracy:
Parents accuse BYU, Alpine district of socialist conspiracy

Some local parents are leveling serious charges against Alpine School District and Brigham Young University.

Parents are saying district and university officials are participating in “a deliberate course of action to subvert the moral fabric of a society with the goal to eliminate the worship of deity and replace it with the worship of man.”

These parents acknowledge their argument is both complex and far-reaching. If true, the charge means the school district is either wittingly or unwittingly part of a nationwide socialist movement. Parents say it is the manifestation of a specific warning given by LDS Church President Ezra Taft Benson, who had named names in the warning. More on that in a moment.

Depending on your point of view, the parents may just be making much ado of nothing. Whatever you believe, concerned parents are asking other district parents to form their own opinion about whether the district is working to remove God from the classroom — and history.

Conspiracy?

Oak Norton, one of the most outspoken critics of Alpine School District and founder of UtahsRepublic.org, begins with the premise that truth can only be defined by God. He sees BYU and Alpine School District as part of a national conspiracy working to carefully teach the nation’s children to believe that the United States government is based on the power of people, rather than the power of God.

This effort, he said, is guided by “the motives of those who are trying to change our language and remove the notion that we are a republic with natural rights bestowed upon us by God.”

As proof of his accusations, Norton offers a detailed logic.

Detailed it is, but “logical” is certainly questionable.

402 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:21:26am

re: #390 MandyManners

It appears US has accepted that Iran will obtain nuclear weapons. All the talk of it being “unacceptable” is just talk.

403 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:21:49am

Clinton is on MTP talking about Nukes…
The rightwing is going crazy over this…Isn’t there enough nukes to blow the world up 11 times over? I figure when we get down blowing up the world 5 times over then I’ll worry about not enough nukes.

404 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:21:58am

re: #400 keloyd

The CIA is likely still up to its old tricks, though Clinton defanged it as well. Some thing on Link TV made the case that the CIA is arming the Kurdish minority in Iran too. No one admits anything, but then again there are poor, desperate people in the hills with state-of-the-art stuff who make endless mischief for one of our enemies, nttawwt.

Link TV is high on agenda and speculation, sometimes short on journalistic integrity, but one supposes, charitably, they should get some points for original work and stories no one else takes seriously.

“If your enemy has a choleric [hot, twitchy] temper, irritate him.” - Sun Tzu

I read an article in Vanity Fair by Hitchens a few years ago about Kurdistan in the northern part of Iraq, and it seems to be a haven of sanity and progress.

405 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:22:48am

re: #401 Shiplord Kirel

Eegad! None other than Brigham Young University is now alleged to be part of the vast secular-humanist conspiracy:
Parents accuse BYU, Alpine district of socialist conspiracy

Detailed it is, but “logical” is certainly questionable.

This is great news for Mitt Romney! Of course the US Government is based on the power of god, not man. And that god’s name is Barack Obama.
/
Really…someone thought these people were important enough to give them voice in the media?

Mornin’ Lizards.

406 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:22:57am

re: #402 sandbox

It appears US has accepted that Iran will obtain nuclear weapons. All the talk of it being “unacceptable” is just talk.

Sadly, I think you’re right.

407 mr.JA  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:29:08am

Interesting - Richard Dawkins is seeking to get the Pope arrested for crimes against humanity when he will visit the UK in September. He want to prosecute the pope under the same law that allowed for the arrest of pinochet.
Now that this letter has surfaced that unequivocally shows that Ratzinger ordered that the Church is more important than some molested kids, I think the guy is in a bit of trouble.

Story here, in the British newpaper ‘The Telegraph’.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

408 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:30:03am

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

A new activist group, Crash The Tea Party, has sprung up on the web with the sole intention of “dismantling and demolishing” the entire tea party movement. Crash’s mission statement goes on to explain “our goal is to derail the fake Tea party movement by crashing the party and highlighting the absurdity of them.” Crash repeatedly refers to tea party supporters as “racists, morons and homophobes.”

Although Crash’s website states that they will take down the tea party “by any non-violent means necessary”, the anonymous founder of the group (known as the “Mad Hatter” or Twitter name “tpartycrasher”) tweeted this on April 8th:

“When Glenn Beck dies, I plan to pour a pint of whiskey on his grave. I hope he doesn’t mind if I run it through my kidneys first!!!.”

The group, who has garnered a decent amount of press attention from major cable news and conservative talk radio, says they’ve already infiltrated meetings and rallies with the intent purpose of portraying ‘real’ tea partiers in a negative light in front of the mainstream media. Misspelled signs, extreme TV interviews, and misinformation about events are some of the tactics being used by the group.

Fox News Channel’s Neil Cavuto reported on his show last week that big left wing organziations like ACORN and The Huffington Post were leading the charge, urging crashers to infiltrate the biggest Tax Day Tea Party taking place next week in the nation’s capital on April 15th.

I have a feeling things are going to get very ugly this summer.

409 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:30:47am

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

No doubt who their readers are. Shame on all the blogs who are posting this story as legit. Thank God for LGF who can expose them within minutes.

Agreed, those links to Brussells Journal, Amren and the Romanian Vanguard are a dead giveaway that this is White Supremacist far Euro right.

410 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:31:29am

re: #399 MandyManners

It’s that pudding….. he’s addicted.

411 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:32:43am

re: #402 sandbox

It appears US has accepted that Iran will obtain nuclear weapons. All the talk of it being “unacceptable” is just talk.

but it’s always that way. India and Pakistan getting nuclear weapons was “unacceptable” until they got them, then 2 more good old boys got in the exclusive country club. Libya was very close to a nuke when they volunteered to be bought out and accept forgiveness and respectability in exchange for their nukes and (iirc) chemical weapons. South Africa was a nuclear country with Israeli aid until they decided to cash in that chip. Iran’s generals have more power than Ahmaoompaloompa, and the mullahs with the real power are less strident. I’m not worried. When Iran is nuclear and stable, it will give up all this Israel baiting, the mullahs will chuck their little PR guy, and Fox News will have to find a new boogey man.

412 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:32:58am

re: #409 Thanos

Agreed, those links to Brussells Journal, Amren and the Romanian Vanguard are a dead giveaway that this is White Supremacist far Euro right.

I saw a link from Ron Paul’s website to that site when I was perusing Google before. Not that I’m surprised, or anything.

413 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:33:29am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

I have a feeling things are going to get very ugly this summer.

All these juvenile delinquents will accomplish is to give the tea-partiers a steel armor defense for any craziness that goes on at wingnut events in the future. “Hey, it wasn’t us; it was them ‘crash the party’ pinkos! Just look at their website!”

414 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:33:32am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan
Maybe he can bring a date…..
[Link: drudgefeed.com…]

415 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:34:05am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

ACORN disbanded, and HuffPo is a ‘big left wing organization’? I thought it was a blog.

But that’s okay. Now they can blame tea party crashers for any racist or homophobic signs they may have on display at their rallies. We ain’t the igorant bad spellers..it’s them damn libruls!

416 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:36:23am

In the latest installment of politically correct, not to say Orwellian, language emanating from the Obama administration, the term “rogue states” has been sidelined in favor of “outliers.” The switch was unveiled as part of the just released Nuclear Posture Review. States like North Korea and Iran, labeled “rogue” by the Bush administration, will no longer labor under that punitive adjective.

This is telling. While the administration insists that the full spectrum of new initiatives — from the New Start treaty to the Nuclear Posture Review to the Nuclear Security Summit — are aimed at containing the world’s two most provocative nations, Iran and North Korea, the stream of euphemisms they’ve insisted upon sends the opposite message.

Rogue isn’t even a particularly harsh word. When applied to individuals, it is frequently paired with “lovable.” Regarding elephants, it suggests an animal that is out of control, but not necessarily vicious. Still, it was too severe for the Obama administration.

SNIP

The administration does not like to use hurtful words to our enemies. Our friends are another matter. Compare the treatment Great Britain, Honduras, and Israel have received with the walking on eggshells approach to our foes. Early on, the administration jettisoned the term “Global War on Terror” in favor of a catch phrase only a bureaucrat could have coined — “overseas contingency operations.” The word “terrorism” was similarly airbrushed from official language. Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano prefers the term “man-caused disasters” because “it demonstrates that we want to move away from the politics of fear …” A more anodyne term has now surfaced from a number of officials — “countering violent extremism.”

SNIP

These euphemisms betray a weak-mindedness about foreign policy the likes of which we have not seen since Jimmy Carter warned us about our “inordinate fear of communism.” This attention to softening our image arises from the leftist conviction that strife and trouble in the world are the result of U.S. bullying and bravado, or can at least be diminished by American meekness. This is such an ingrained worldview that nothing as mundane as experience can shake it. Thus we have the spectacle of Barack Obama, repeatedly rebuffed in the most graphic terms by Iran’s ruling gangsters, nevertheless persisting in seeking engagement.

SNIP

417 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:36:31am

re: #404 MandyManners

Hitchens seems to make a habit of speaking to light, fluffy outlets like that. It speaks to his insecurity and arrogance that he’s more at home there and Fox News than the WSJ editorial page or PBS.

418 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:37:04am

re: #411 keloyd

Sorry to say, but you’re living in dream world. Almadinnijad and the mullahs are twelvers and they mean business. All you have to do is listen to them.

419 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:37:18am

re: #416 MandyManners
I believe they’re going to call them Rove States.

420 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:37:42am

re: #413 Shiplord Kirel

All these juvenile delinquents will accomplish is to give the tea-partiers a steel armor defense for any craziness that goes on at wingnut events in the future. “Hey, it wasn’t us; it was them ‘crash the party’ pinkos! Just look at their website!”

Yup…they are now officially bullet proof from racist charges. The idiots who started the Crash the Tea Party group just did the Tea Party folks a favor.

421 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:38:04am

re: #411 keloyd

but it’s always that way. India and Pakistan getting nuclear weapons was “unacceptable” until they got them, then 2 more good old boys got in the exclusive country club. Libya was very close to a nuke when they volunteered to be bought out and accept forgiveness and respectability in exchange for their nukes and (iirc) chemical weapons. South Africa was a nuclear country with Israeli aid until they decided to cash in that chip. Iran’s generals have more power than Ahmaoompaloompa, and the mullahs with the real power are less strident. I’m not worried. When Iran is nuclear and stable, it will give up all this Israel baiting, the mullahs will chuck their little PR guy, and Fox News will have to find a new boogey man.

Iran will get a nuke…
All we need to do is sent a cable
____________
Dear Iran
WE have had 2 ICBM Missiles programmed to strike your Country..
Don’t ever launch a nuke.. You will be destroyed in 15 minutes
Your Friends
America

422 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:38:25am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

I have a feeling things are going to get very ugly this summer.

What, me worry? Only Conservatives can get violent.

423 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:39:01am
When Iran is nuclear and stable,


Oxymoron.

424 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:39:41am

re: #410 tradewind

It’s that pudding… he’s addicted.

I’ll refrain from a reference to spotted dick.

425 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:39:45am

re: #421 HoosierHoops

But under Obama we’re not going to send Iran any threatening message.

426 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:40:28am

re: #424 MandyManners

…and yet.
:)
Have a good Sunday everyone, see you later.

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:40:31am

re: #410 tradewind

There’s pudding?

428 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:40:40am

re: #417 keloyd

Hitchens seems to make a habit of speaking to light, fluffy outlets like that. It speaks to his insecurity and arrogance that he’s more at home there and Fox News than the WSJ editorial page or PBS.

I read the article. It was anything BUT light and fluffy.

429 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:40:59am

re: #419 tradewind

I believe they’re going to call them Rove States.

Outliers.

430 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:41:25am

re: #426 tradewind

…and yet.
:)
Have a good Sunday everyone, see you later.

Good to see you back!

431 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:42:00am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There’s pudding?

The cake is a lie.

432 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:42:00am

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

I like books. I like books made of paper that smell like books. Call me old fashioned.

Monckton: Got Consanguinity?

I get all my entertainment reading from the library. Except for cookbooks…I’m a cookbook junkie.

If I’m going on a trip, I’ll buy a bunch of paperbacks, but on my last flight, the lady sitting next to me was reading on a Kindle. I really crave one now.

433 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:42:55am

re: #425 sandbox

But under Obama we’re not going to send Iran any threatening message.

Just an offer to sit down for a beer.

Beer Summit II!

434 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:44:19am

re: #418 sandbox

Sorry to say, but you’re living in dream world. Almadinnijad and the mullahs are twelvers and they mean business. All you have to do is listen to them.

Ah, but I am reading between the lines. They throw red meat to their supporters in exchange for continued power. OTOH, the mullahs never really liked Ahmadinejad becuase he was too strident, too ascetic, too much of an uncompromising Ron Paul or Ross Perot type on religion. The last election was also half a military coup. Generals can be evil, but they’re also rational, so more military influence = rational foreign policy. Don’t get me wrong, they will keep executing poor, unconnected girls for being whores when they’re raped by wealthier, well connected men, but their foreign policy is another matter.

435 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:46:44am

re: #432 Alouette

I get all my entertainment reading from the library. Except for cookbooks…I’m a cookbook junkie.

If I’m going on a trip, I’ll buy a bunch of paperbacks, but on my last flight, the lady sitting next to me was reading on a Kindle. I really crave one now.

I like actual real books too.
I’m also one of those who really misses the smell of a good old library card catalogue.

But really - the Kindle is really really nice.
If you’re reading outside, the pages aren’t blowing around and aggravating you.
You can bring a bunch of books you in a very small and light space.
Text size is adjustable for your comfort.
You can order a book and it’s THERE - no trip to the bookstore, no waiting for the mail to come.

436 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:46:55am

re: #425 sandbox

But under Obama we’re not going to send Iran any threatening message.

Just out of curiosity, may I ask what you would have him do?

437 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:46:59am

re: #428 MandyManners

I mean the magazine or other outlets - Vanity Fair, GQ, Fox News - Hitchens goes to fluffy places so he is not questioned and has no other smart guys to call him out. That said, when I’m channel surfing and land on him, I always listen because he’s better with the words than anyone else.

438 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:48:10am

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

I did. I hate being fooled by a stinking website.

Not to dogpile (much), but check out the first few reader comments on that article:


Patrick says:
10/04/2010 at 10:15 am
All those years of Jews supporting liberal left, see you Jews, you finaly did yourselves in.
Obama is going to get Israel wiped out!
And then… My people can be free to live and love once more upon Jesus’s most beautiful Earth!
Rating: -13 (from 31 votes)
Reply

JamesTheJust says:
11/04/2010 at 7:30 am
Amen Patrick.
NEWSFLASH! An Edomite jew called a Muslim insane today. (lol)
Rating: -2 (from 6 votes)
Reply

No Mo obomo says:
10/04/2010 at 5:24 pm
Sure! Sure! Sure! Yep! Yep! Yep! Yep! Yep! obummer would rather try to skin a LIVE eighteen foot long Alligator with a Plastic knife, than to mess with Israel. Besides obummer is regressing in his mental faculties as we speak, Maybe muhambonehead can save him.
Rating: +3 (from 11 votes)
Reply

JC says:
10/04/2010 at 7:56 pm
Maobama’s legacy will be much like Hitler’s.
The difference is we should be able to se it coming and be prepared.
Rating: +11 (from 19 votes)
Reply

JamesTheJust says:
11/04/2010 at 7:37 am
You people do not even know who Hitler was. You let the jew to tell you what you MUST believe. I’ll bet not one of you Hitler-bashers ever even read Mein Kampf. The closest most of you have come to the “truth” is what you saw on jew-run History Channel (History rewritten for the dumb goyem)…
Lazy.
Oh, but you wouldn’t dare read the works of Hitler’s supporters or “god forbid”, Hitler himself. After all that would be racist. The Edomite jew told you so…
Idiots.

439 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:49:00am

re: #438 negativ

They pretty much seem to hate everybody over there.

440 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:50:53am

re: #439 reine.de.tout

They pretty much seem to hate everybody over there.

Must be the Stormfront contributers.

441 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:51:16am

Unfuckingbelievable.

With tax day looming, officials from Washington to Massachusetts are blasting a $92 million “Cadillac”-style renovation of the sprawling IRS center in Andover, calling the use of federal stimulus dollars to collect more taxes a “boondoggle” that won’t even bring long-term jobs to the area.

The project’s key proponent, Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Lowell), and other top regional Democrats have strongly touted the project, which is aimed at improving “productivity and customer service” at the 50-year-old federal complex.

But foes such as Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and state Sen. Michael Knapik (R-Westfield) are jeering at the use of stimulus money to create a state-of-the-art processing and auditing center when roads, bridges and dams need urgent attention.

SNIP

442 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:52:02am

re: #430 MandyManners
Back just to say that sadly, Dixie Carter has passed away at age 70. No other details so far.

443 tradewind  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:53:30am

re: #441 MandyManners
Well, there ya go. Putting people back to work, one boondoggle at a time.//

444 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:54:13am

re: #437 keloyd

I mean the magazine or other outlets - Vanity Fair, GQ, Fox News - Hitchens goes to fluffy places so he is not questioned and has no other smart guys to call him out. That said, when I’m channel surfing and land on him, I always listen because he’s better with the words than anyone else.

Different strokes.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:54:54am

re: #441 MandyManners

Unfuckingbelievable.

With tax day looming, officials from Washington to Massachusetts are blasting a $92 million “Cadillac”-style renovation of the sprawling IRS center in Andover, calling the use of federal stimulus dollars to collect more taxes a “boondoggle” that won’t even bring long-term jobs to the area.

SNIP

Nothing unbelievable about that. Give them money and they spend it. When they run out and see an opportunity to spend more money they go for it. Damn the consequences to the economy, just spend, spend, spend!

446 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:55:20am

re: #442 tradewind

Back just to say that sadly, Dixie Carter has passed away at age 70. No other details so far.

Julia Sugarbaker will never die!!!

447 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:55:38am

re: #443 tradewind

Well, there ya go. Putting people back to work, one boondoggle at a time.//

Temporarily.

448 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:55:59am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

Nothing unbelievable about that. Give them money and they spend it. When they run out and see an opportunity to spend more money they go for it. Damn the consequences to the economy, just spend, spend, spend!

And, tax, tax, tax!

449 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:56:03am

re: #439 reine.de.tout

They pretty much seem to hate everybody over there.

They do like Jesus (just don’t tell them he was born in the Middle East…they think he’s from Tulsa)

450 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:56:04am

re: #436 Sigma_x

1. openly support the green revolution demonstrators in Iran who are trying to overthrow the regime.
2. stop refined gas from being shipped into Iran.
3. indicate that the US won’t oppose Israel taking out nuke sites.
4. say that if Iran strikes US ships in the gulf (with speed boats or otherwise) that we will respond militarily to such attacks.

These are some suggestions.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:57:26am

BBL….going to spend the day in the garden/yard having fun.

452 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:58:33am

re: #449 darthstar

They do like Jesus (just don’t tell them he was born in the Middle East…they think he’s from Tulsa)

And from the clan McKenzie (reference the idiot in the video in a thread last night, who hates Abraham Lincoln because Mississippi is now a poor state. Don’t ask me, I know it makes no sense).

453 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:58:59am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

BBL…going to spend the day in the garden/yard having fun.

Enjoy!
Sounds like a good day.

454 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:00:23am

re: #441 MandyManners

from your link:

The GSA also did not respond to a request seeking a line-item budget detailing how the $92 million would be spent. The IRS rejected a Herald request to tour the facility.

This is the problem I have with that kind of spending. Not necessarily the spending itself, but there’s no reason not to publicize a full accounting of it. If they’re upgrading 20 year-old IT infrastructure and thereby doing away with actual paper in file cabinets, that’s one thing. That kind of spending now saves hoards of money over the long term. If they’re redoing the walls and adding crystal chandeliers, that’s obviously something else.

I strongly suspect that the reality is some blend of those two. It would be nice to know for sure, though.

455 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:00:41am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

Nothing unbelievable about that. Give them money and they spend it. When they run out and see an opportunity to spend more money they go for it. Damn the consequences to the economy, just spend, spend, spend!

Construction jobs don’t count, I guess. This is the kind of cherry-picking nonsense that makes the anti-stimulus crowd look like idiots. One could argue rebuilding a bridge in Minnesota isn’t good for the economy because once the bridge is built, the contracts for building that bridge end…and so do the jobs. Or building a new library or school doesn’t count because once the job is done, the jobs are gone.

456 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:01:34am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

I have a feeling things are going to get very ugly this summer.

I assume you’re aware that’s another bogus story. It’s just something to get the wingnuts riled up.

457 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:02:16am

re: #441 MandyManners

Unfuckingbelievable.

With tax day looming, officials from Washington to Massachusetts are blasting a $92 million “Cadillac”-style renovation of the sprawling IRS center in Andover, calling the use of federal stimulus dollars to collect more taxes a “boondoggle” that won’t even bring long-term jobs to the area.

SNIP

I don’t know what their current facility is like.
I’ll say this - having been a government “worker” (it’s never government “employee”, is it?) -
We often worked in really awful buildings, leaky roofs, ceiling tiles falling (one day during a meeting we watched the ceiling begin to bulge as it filled up with water during a rain, and left the room just before the flood) - vermin infested (fleas, rats) -

They might actually need that building.

458 mr.JA  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:03:49am

re: #450 sandbox

1. openly support the green revolution demonstrators in Iran who are trying to overthrow the regime.
These are some suggestions.

Good idea, and especially good for the already compromised safety of these demonstrators. Realize that the US not very popular in Iran. Not with anyone, opposed to the current regime or not. With open US support the situation could well go even more pear shaped than it already is. So support the demonstrators, but do this NOT openly - channel them money, but keep your gob shut about it…
Your other points are ok though.

459 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:07:00am

Alan Grayson…is this guy fearless or what? Just walks into a Republican meeting and calls them out for their desperate attempts at spying on Democrats…himself.

In the video, Grayson reads from a flier that describes a recent Republican infiltration of a pro-Obama group, and a promise to dish those details at this next GOP meeting. Grayson chides the Republican attendees for sinking so low as to spy on the other side.

About the local Republican chair, he had this to say, “Oliver couldn’t find his rear end with both hands, unless there was a twenty-dollar bill sticking out of it.”

Youtube Video
460 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:09:04am

re: #459 darthstar

eh.
I can’t be convinced this was a particularly good move.

461 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:09:39am

re: #458 mr.JA

and stop trying to be friendly with Iranian allies—Syria and Venzuela.

462 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:10:07am

re: #438 negativ

Not to dogpile (much), but check out the first few reader comments on that article:

what article, where?

463 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:10:09am

re: #459 darthstar

Grayson is an ass. Weiner does everything he does without being a fucking tool along with it.

I like Weiner. Grayson is a showboater who goes too far and allows the GOP to play ‘Tu quoque’.

464 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:11:28am

re: #462 Alouette

what article, where?

Comment where it appeared has been deleted.
Don’t go there, really.
Bad craziness.

465 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:11:45am

re: #450 sandbox

1. openly support the green revolution demonstrators in Iran who are trying to overthrow the regime.
2. stop refined gas from being shipped into Iran.
3. indicate that the US won’t oppose Israel taking out nuke sites.
4. say that if Iran strikes US ships in the gulf (with speed boats or otherwise) that we will respond militarily to such attacks.

These are some suggestions.

1. By “openly support” the Green Revolution, what do you mean? Because we have to walk a very fine line with that, as we could just end up helping to get a lot of good people killed - ala the Shiites after the 1st Gulf War - if we’re not willing to back it up.

2. The borders are so porous in Iran, there’s no way we can “stop refined gas” from being shipped to Iran unless we invaded the entire country. And, besides, that in itself is an act of war, and I’m fairly certain China and Russia wouldn’t go along with it.

3. We haven’t explicitly indicated that we would oppose Israel taking out nuke sites in Iran, which is basically the same thing as supporting it.

4. I’m pretty sure they know that.

466 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:12:02am

re: #463 Obdicut

…..
I like Weiner…….

edited for clarity./

467 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:12:05am

re: #462 Alouette

what article, where?

It’s since been deleted at the request of the poster.

468 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:13:47am

re: #466 RogueOne

You are so bad!

469 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:14:00am

re: #454 negativ

from your link:

This is the problem I have with that kind of spending. Not necessarily the spending itself, but there’s no reason not to publicize a full accounting of it. If they’re upgrading 20 year-old IT infrastructure and thereby doing away with actual paper in file cabinets, that’s one thing. That kind of spending now saves hoards of money over the long term. If they’re redoing the walls and adding crystal chandeliers, that’s obviously something else.

I strongly suspect that the reality is some blend of those two. It would be nice to know for sure, though.

Screw accountability.

470 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:14:16am

re: #468 reine.de.tout

You are so bad!

8th grade humor still cracks me up.

471 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:14:48am

re: #457 reine.de.tout

I don’t know what their current facility is like.
I’ll say this - having been a government “worker” (it’s never government “employee”, is it?) -
We often worked in really awful buildings, leaky roofs, ceiling tiles falling (one day during a meeting we watched the ceiling begin to bulge as it filled up with water during a rain, and left the room just before the flood) - vermin infested (fleas, rats) -

They might actually need that building.

From what the article portrayed, they don’t.

472 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:15:01am

re: #469 MandyManners

Screw accountability.

Just make sure you use protection when you do.

473 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:15:08am

re: #470 RogueOne

8th grade humor still cracks me up.


Me too, but shhhh! Don’t tell anyone.

474 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:15:44am

re: #465 Sigma_x

Your #3 is kind of wrong. We have have opposed Israeli travel through airspace that they would need for such strikes. It is not a binary position of supporting or not supporting Israel’s strikes.

Hey, have you figured out yet whether or not you think I’m on acid? In that thread you accused me of being on acid and of being a conservative, you were too busy fighting with Ace to both talking to me much.

You’re coming on pretty strong for a new poster, and, given that you’ve insulted me, misapprehended my politics, and then ignored me, I’m kind of leery of extending you much grace, but I figured I’d give it another shot.

475 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:16:46am

re: #461 sandbox

and stop trying to be friendly with Iranian allies—Syria and Venzuela.

And, stop arming Lebanon and Hizballah!

476 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:18:28am

re: #474 Obdicut

Your #3 is kind of wrong. We have have opposed Israeli travel through airspace that they would need for such strikes. It is not a binary position of supporting or not supporting Israel’s strikes.

Hey, have you figured out yet whether or not you think I’m on acid? In that thread you accused me of being on acid and of being a conservative, you were too busy fighting with Ace to both talking to me much.

You’re coming on pretty strong for a new poster, and, given that you’ve insulted me, misapprehended my politics, and then ignored me, I’m kind of leery of extending you much grace, but I figured I’d give it another shot.

I’ve already engaged my gaze gear.

478 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:20:30am

LOL
I’m sitting on the deck enjoying a beautiful day…
There is about 6 inches of water on the pool cover..and all of a sudden a bunch of Canadian geese drop in for a drink of water…Winston just freaked out..Hopping up and down and barking…
The look in his eyes was like: Daddy..There are flying monsters!

479 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:22:15am

re: #465 Sigma_x

I have read in numerous locations that the US does not want Israel to strike Iran nuke sites. Given Obama’s unfriendly attitude toward Israel, I believe those reports.

As to possible Iranian attacks on US ships in the gulf, I think it should be made clear the US will respond militarily against Iran if this occurs. That is we’re not going to seek a UN Resolution or some such nonsense, but the US will shoot back.

480 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:22:34am

Hey, here’s my open question for the thread:

Given that the current attitude in many voters on the ‘right’ (and not talking about anyone here) is a sense of ‘no compromise’, and given the deep divisions in the right— between the libertarian types and the theocrats, as can be seen given the booing at the leadership conference— how likely do you guys think it is that we’ll see a lot more third party challengers?

The current mood of many politicians in the GOP seems to be that if you can’t win it all, you win nothing, which seems to me will lead to, say, the Paulian candidate, if he loses the primary, running as a third party against the theocrat-ish candidate who does win the primary— or both of them running against the sane, moderate GOP members who win their primaries.

481 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:22:44am

re: #471 MandyManners

From what the article portrayed, they don’t.

The project’s key proponent, Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Lowell), and other top regional Democrats have strongly touted the project, which is aimed at improving “productivity and customer service” at the 50-year-old federal complex.

It’s a 50-year-old facility, with an view from the air. It’s large, but there’s no view of the inside working conditions. If it’s anything like the government buildings I’ve worked in, little or no maintenance was done over the years.

I worked in a government job for 30 years. The final 7 of those years, I was a top level administrator, part of the executive staff of an agency.

I never once, in my entire career, ever had a new piece of furniture in my office. If I needed a lamp, I bought one and brought it to the office to use. Everything was hand-me-down, ancient, old, musty. My last desk was 40 years old. Usable, I had no complaints.

Just my .02 - I think a 50-year-old facility would be in dire need of a renovation.

482 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:24:30am

re: #481 reine.de.tout

Yes. Being penny-wise— not spending on needed renovations— is being pound-foolish.

483 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:24:54am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

Tina Fey Unveils Palin’s Next Career Move In Return To SNL (VIDEO)

Tina should be sending Palin royalty checks. Not since John Kerry imitating JFK has an person made a career out of it!

484 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:26:44am

re: #407 mr.JA

Interesting - Richard Dawkins is seeking to get the Pope arrested for crimes against humanity when he will visit the UK in September. He want to prosecute the pope under the same law that allowed for the arrest of pinochet.
Now that this letter has surfaced that unequivocally shows that Ratzinger ordered that the Church is more important than some molested kids, I think the guy is in a bit of trouble.

Story here, in the British newpaper ‘The Telegraph’.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

As far as I know, I’ve been told the Telegraph is not a reliable source of news stories.

485 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:26:45am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

Ohh! That one’s got a hidden message!

Her rendition of That Voice is entirely too accurate.

486 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:26:57am

re: #482 Obdicut

Yes. Being penny-wise— not spending on needed renovations— is being pound-foolish.

Absolutely.

Our state spent millions of dollars on renting office space for various agencies. Office space, I might add, that was in very poor condition, with the owners being so happy to get that easy state money, they did no maintenance.

The State finally built several new office buildings to house agencies, and has made a committment to maintenance and upkeep on those buildings. Oh, the hue and cry!

In the long run, the State will see a savings from building ownership rather than million-dollar rentals.

487 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:28:44am

re: #480 Obdicut

There are many splinter parties on the fringes of both sides. In all my years, with the exception of the Perotnistas, I have never seen a national election altered by it

488 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:29:05am

re: #460 reine.de.tout

eh.
I can’t be convinced this was a particularly good move.

re: #463 Obdicut

Grayson is an ass. Weiner does everything he does without being a fucking tool along with it.

I like Weiner. Grayson is a showboater who goes too far and allows the GOP to play ‘Tu quoque’.

True…he is abrasive, but he’s a good lightning rod for the party. And he’s unapologetic. Weiner has a lot more tact, but doesn’t get the press attention he deserves.

489 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:29:05am

re: #474 Obdicut

Your #3 is kind of wrong. We have have opposed Israeli travel through airspace that they would need for such strikes. It is not a binary position of supporting or not supporting Israel’s strikes.

Hey, have you figured out yet whether or not you think I’m on acid? In that thread you accused me of being on acid and of being a conservative, you were too busy fighting with Ace to both talking to me much.

You’re coming on pretty strong for a new poster, and, given that you’ve insulted me, misapprehended my politics, and then ignored me, I’m kind of leery of extending you much grace, but I figured I’d give it another shot.

Holy ship, dude - I responded to you in four separate posts. I thought I was pretty contrite. What do you want me to do, slit my wrists? No, I don’t think you’re on acid. Go back and read the posts - they’re right there for all to read.

As for “coming on kinda strong.” Well, I’m not sure how to respond to that. I get the feeling (and it’s not just from my experience; I’ve seen it happen to others, too) that if a new poster comes on the board, and has the temerity to express an opinion in any voice other than a mouse squeak, he’s taken to task for it(or “dog-piled” on, as I believe it’s referred to here.) I don’t think I’ve been dog-piled on, but I have been given the cold shoulder by more than a few. Every time I posted something denigrating the Tea Party, I got a bunch of “F-you, A-hole” responses.

Kinda reminds me of the cafeteria in high school, where the cool clique would make fun of the new kid. “Who do you think you are expressing an opinion that differs from mine? You just got here! Now go sit in the corner by yourself.”

As for the #3 regarding the US’s supporting/not-supporting an Israeli airstrike, I’ll respond to that in another post, as this is too long as it is.

490 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:30:35am

re: #489 Sigma_x

Stop mouthing off to Obdicut like that.

491 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:30:47am

re: #489 Sigma_x

Obdi is one of those new posters you’re talking about.

492 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:31:15am

re: #481 reine.de.tout

It’s a 50-year-old facility, with an view from the air. It’s large, but there’s no view of the inside working conditions. If it’s anything like the government buildings I’ve worked in, little or no maintenance was done over the years.

I worked in a government job for 30 years. The final 7 of those years, I was a top level administrator, part of the executive staff of an agency.

I never once, in my entire career, ever had a new piece of furniture in my office. If I needed a lamp, I bought one and brought it to the office to use. Everything was hand-me-down, ancient, old, musty. My last desk was 40 years old. Usable, I had no complaints.

Just my .02 - I think a 50-year-old facility would be in dire need of a renovation.

The IRS received $80,469,000 in stimulus funds for “green” upgrades to the 400,000 square-foot complex, more cash than any other federal building in New England, according to documents from the U.S. General Services Administration, the agency that oversees federal buildings. The IRS already had $11.4 million on hand for the work, a GSA spokeswoman said.

About 1,400 workers were laid off from the site last year.

493 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:31:32am

re: #484 Walter L. Newton

As far as I know, I’ve been told the Telegraph is not a reliable source of news stories.

Misleading article (surprise, surprise). It’s the same article that was in the Times, just reworded a bit.

[Link: richarddawkins.net…]

Comment #478580 by Richard Dawkins on April 11, 2010 at 8:48 am
Needless to say, I did NOT say “I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI” or anything so personally grandiloquent. You have to remember that The Sunday Times is a Murdoch newspaper, and that all newspapers follow the odd custom of entrusting headlines to a sub-editor, not the author of the article itself.

What I DID say to Marc Horne when he telephoned me out of the blue, and I repeat it here, is that I am whole-heartedly behind the initiative by Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens to mount a legal challenge to the Pope’s proposed visit to Britain. Beyond that, I declined to comment to Marc Horme, other than to refer him to my ‘Ratzinger is the Perfect Pope’ article here: [Link: richarddawkins.net…]

Here is what really happened. Christopher Hitchens first proposed the legal challenge idea to me on March 14th. I responded enthusiastically, and suggested the name of a high profile human rights lawyer whom I know. I had lost her address, however, and set about tracking her down. Meanwhile, Christopher made the brilliant suggestion of Geoffrey Robertson. He approached him, and Mr Robertson’s subsequent ‘Put the Pope in the Dock’ article in The Guardian shows him to be ideal:
[Link: richarddawkins.net…]
The case is obviously in good hands, with him and Mark Stephens. I am especially intrigued by the proposed challenge to the legality of the Vatican as a sovereign state whose head can claim diplomatic immunity.

Even if the Pope doesn’t end up in the dock, and even if the Vatican doesn’t cancel the visit, I am optimistic that we shall raise public consciousness to the point where the British government will find it very awkward indeed to go ahead with the Pope’s visit, let alone pay for it.

Richard

494 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:32:39am

Re-engaging my GAZE gear.

495 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:32:50am

re: #482 Obdicut

Yes. Being penny-wise— not spending on needed renovations— is being pound-foolish.

The stimulus was/is supposed to create jobs. Aside from some short term spackling and painting, what jobs will this renovation money create?THATS the objectionable part, imho

496 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:33:05am

re: #491 reine.de.tout

Obdi is one of those new posters you’re talking about.

And he has not spoken in tones of “mouse squeak”.
He’s one of the more consistently open-minded and polite folks here.
Get a grip.

Also, some may have given you the cold “shudder” (“shoulder” perhaps?)
but I responded to several of your inquires last night about how the site works, etc., and never any sort of response from you. Perhaps before you accuse others of giving a “cold shudder”, you should look at yourself.

497 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:33:56am

re: #493 negativ

Misleading article (surprise, surprise). It’s the same article that was in the Times, just reworded a bit.

No… the Times is not a reliable news source either. Only the Guardian, unless someone doesn’t like the occasional conservative article or opinion piece, then they are not reliable, at least for a day. Get with the program.

498 Solomon2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:34:04am

The K reader is a good idea, but it needs some tweaking. I downloaded it to my Blackberry and immediately discovered that it lacks a zoom function for illustrations - including non-digitized text. That means it’s useless for many of my purposes.

499 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:34:57am

re: #489 Sigma_x

Holy ship, dude - I responded to you in four separate posts. I thought I was pretty contrite. What do you want me to do, slit my wrists? No, I don’t think you’re on acid. Go back and read the posts - they’re right there for all to read.

No, you never actually responded— or rather, you never acknowledged that you had adopted contradictory positions.

As for “coming on kinda strong.” Well, I’m not sure how to respond to that. I get the feeling (and it’s not just from my experience; I’ve seen it happen to others, too) that if a new poster comes on the board, and has the temerity to express an opinion in any voice other than a mouse squeak, he’s taken to task for it(or “dog-piled” on, as I believe it’s referred to here.)

So you don’t think the fact that you do thinks like, say, mocked and derided a position I held and accused me of being on drugs for holding it— and then later said that you completely agreed with my position— has anything to do with your reception here? It’s all the other people, your own behavior is just fine?

Kinda reminds me of the cafeteria in high school, where the cool clique would make fun of the new kid. “Who do you think you are expressing an opinion that differs from mine? You just got here! Now go sit in the corner by yourself.”

Oh spare me the victimhood. I’m for single-payer, a massive draw-down in military spending, I think waterboarding is torture, I think that the GOP is happily embracing scary-ass racists in a suicidal death pact, and all kinds of other views that you claim would get you dogpiled.

The only time I’ve gotten dogpiled here was my first day, when a few people decided I was an anti-Israel troll, wrongly. It does happen here, but you’re hardly a victim.

You can’t both accuse the people you’re arguing with of being on acid and pretend that you’re some sort of martyr, dude.

500 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:35:24am

re: #485 negativ

Ohh! That one’s got a hidden message!

Her rendition of That Voice is entirely too accurate.

Very few female comedians can do impressions. Fey has the voice and gestures nailed.

501 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:35:45am

re: #497 Walter L. Newton

No… the Times is not a reliable news source either. Only the Guardian, unless someone doesn’t like the occasional conservative article or opinion piece, then they are not reliable, at least for a day. Get with the program.

Programs ,,, get your programs here!!

502 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:36:16am

re: #496 reine.de.tout

And he has not spoken in tones of “mouse squeak”.
He’s one of the more consistently open-minded and polite folks here.
Get a grip.

Also, some may have given you the cold “shudder” (“shoulder” perhaps?)
but I responded to several of your inquires last night about how the site works, etc., and never any sort of response from you. Perhaps before you accuse others of giving a “cold shudder”, you should look at yourself.

Oh, good god. 1st of all, the posts were coming in one after another last night. A deluge of them. I wasn’t just sitting there staring at the screen waiting with baited breath for a post mentioning my name. But, your response pretty much certifies what I was saying - It’s like a lot you wait for some newbie to make a social faux pax and then go out of your way to make him (me) feel like an idiot for it. Which, by the way, is working out well for you. I’m starting to feel like I can’t say anything right on this board.

503 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:38:17am

Tim Blair takes a shot at LGF….

In 2008, conservative crowds were cherry-picked for racists. This was a bad thing.

In 2010, conservative crowds are cherry-picked for racists. This is now a good thing.

What we have here isn’t someone merely changing his mind. It’s more like he swapped it.

504 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:38:49am

re: #455 darthstar

Improving infrastructure is a good investment, but maintenance is frequently ignored - requiring even more expenditures to cover more expensive fixes over the life of a given piece of infrastructure.

The problem is that projects that need major infrastructure improvement aren’t getting fixed, while those that could be done without are getting funded.

The Andover processing center handles much of the Northeast tax filings. Could it stand to use a more efficient workspace? Perhaps, but that money could potentially go to fix a bridge that handles 100k people every day and poses an actual safety risk because the bridge is rated deficient.

I think most people would take the spending on the bridge over the IRS processing center fix. $92 million could fix a whole lot of bridges. Heck, $92 million could paint a whole bunch of bridges and do the kind of preventative maintenance necessitating major renovations well before the design life is exceeded.

It’s about screwed up priorities.

505 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:39:22am

re: #502 Sigma_x

If I were a snarky bitch I’d point out that it’s “bated breath” and “faux pas”. But, I’m not so I won’t.

*woof*

506 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:39:33am

re: #502 Sigma_x

You’re simply interpreting things wrong. It’s not that people here wait for a newbie to fuck up and then stomp him, it’s that this site gets infested with trolls of various types over and over, and people here are tired and wary of any new person who immediately goes on the attack.

Again: You can’t both fling around insults and claim that you’re being picked on. Why not just settle down, cool the insults, and try to make your case reasonably? You’re perfectly capable of doing so.

What is to be gained by repeatedly saying that everyone is acting like they’re in high school?

507 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:40:22am

re: #498 Solomon2

The K reader is a good idea, but it needs some tweaking. I downloaded it to my Blackberry and immediately discovered that it lacks a zoom function for illustrations - including non-digitized text. That means it’s useless for many of my purposes.

I have a similar problem with print magazines. The photos in Hustler are so glossy I have a hard time finding the articles written beneath them.
/

508 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:40:34am

re: #502 Sigma_x

Oh, good god. 1st of all, the posts were coming in one after another last night. A deluge of them. I wasn’t just sitting there staring at the screen waiting with baited breath for a post mentioning my name. But, your response pretty much certifies what I was saying - It’s like a lot you wait for some newbie to make a social faux pax and then go out of your way to make him (me) feel like an idiot for it. Which, by the way, is working out well for you. I’m starting to feel like I can’t say anything right on this board.

You asked some questions; I composed a comment giving you the answers.

That you didn’t have the courtesy to then acknowledge someone trying to help you out, but instead keep looking for reasons to be pissed off, says volumes about you.

This place moves fast.

I usually do a ‘find” on my nic several times during a thread to see if someone has addressed me so I can respond. It just seems, well, the courteous thing to do.

509 mr.JA  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:41:00am

re: #484 Walter L. Newton

As far as I know, I’ve been told the Telegraph is not a reliable source of news stories.

I’ve lived in the UK, and the Telegraph is ok. It is a tory newspaper so conservative-leaning, but it is alright.
Papers like the Daily mail and the Sun (or even worse, News of the world) are absolutely horrific, with news being twisted whereever possible. I despise the Daily mail most, as it tries to disguise as a ‘normal’ paper, although it’s articles are filled with populist drivel… My blood actually boils when I read that…

510 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:41:25am

re: #502 Sigma_x

Oh, good god. 1st of all, the posts were coming in one after another last night. A deluge of them. I wasn’t just sitting there staring at the screen waiting with baited breath for a post mentioning my name. But, your response pretty much certifies what I was saying - It’s like a lot you wait for some newbie to make a social faux pax and then go out of your way to make him (me) feel like an idiot for it. Which, by the way, is working out well for you. I’m starting to feel like I can’t say anything right on this board.

And, my response to you was simply factual and courteous. No waiting for you to make a “faux pas”. I simply answered you. You’re looking to be insulted, seems to me.

511 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:41:43am

re: #505 MandyManners

If I were a snarky bitch I’d point out that it’s “bated breath” and “faux pas”. But, I’m not so I won’t.

*woof*

and cold shoulder.

512 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:42:26am

re: #480 Obdicut

You are taking Ron Paul too seriously. He hardly got any delegates in 2008 Republican primary (maybe he got none).

513 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:42:39am

re: #509 mr.JA

I’ve lived in the UK, and the Telegraph is ok. It is a tory newspaper so conservative-leaning, but it is alright.
Papers like the Daily mail and the Sun (or even worse, News of the world) are absolutely horrific, with news being twisted whereever possible. I despise the Daily mail most, as it tries to disguise as a ‘normal’ paper, although it’s articles are filled with populist drivel… My blood actually boils when I read that…

No, no, no… only the Guardian is a reliable British news source… that’s what everyone keeps telling me… well, the left keeps telling me.

I think you are missing my sarcasm.

514 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:42:41am

re: #509 mr.JA

I’ve lived in the UK, and the Telegraph is ok. It is a tory newspaper so conservative-leaning, but it is alright.
Papers like the Daily mail and the Sun (or even worse, News of the world) are absolutely horrific, with news being twisted whereever possible. I despise the Daily mail most, as it tries to disguise as a ‘normal’ paper, although it’s articles are filled with populist drivel… My blood actually boils when I read that…

For you (and others that missed it) Walter should have put a “/” after his #484

515 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:42:56am

re: #511 reine.de.tout

and cold shoulder.

I thought “cold ‘shudder’ ” was a nice play on words.

516 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:43:16am

re: #514 sattv4u2

For you (and others that missed it) Walter should have put a “/” after his #484

What… and ruin my record?

517 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:43:21am

re: #513 Walter L. Newton

No, no, no… only the Guardian is a reliable British news source… that’s what everyone keeps telling me… well, the left keeps telling me.

I think you are missing my sarcasm.

I didn’t (see #514)

:)

518 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:43:22am

re: #515 darthstar

I thought “cold ‘shudder’ ” was a nice play on words.

I thought so too, actually.

519 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:43:44am

re: #515 darthstar

I thought “cold ‘shudder’ ” was a nice play on words.

Hey… heads up… I cut my toenails… and I’m looking forward to some hot and steamy.

520 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:43:48am

re: #512 sandbox

True, but I’m not asking about his ability to get votes. I’m talking about individual races, not the presidential race— like what happened in New York.

521 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:44:37am

re: #502 Sigma_x

No need to get super upset. I post my ideas and opinions, except to get critique, critique others, etc. That’s how it works here. You take your knocks, and move on.

I remember my first real heated exchange here. It was about executing terrorists or civilian trials or something. I got super frustrated, felt like the entire site was out to get me and basically posted a ‘thread flounce’ saying I just had to walk away. Guixani, who had I had felt was attacking me the entire time, posted something to the effect of “But your technique was just getting good!” and proceeded to tell me what I had done right and wrong in terms of arguing my position. Huge eye opener.

People aren’t dog piling on you because you’re a newbie. Its just that this site has really, really high standards about somethings. You better be able to cite your sources. Don’t misquote,etc.

Eventually you’ll get to know other posters, and they’ll get to know you and everyone ends up with a nice vibe, or not. Me and albusteve can fight like a married couple, but lately it ends with both of us posting classic rock videos on dead threads. So it goes.

522 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:44:42am

What’s a “find” on a “nic?”

523 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:44:45am

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

Hey… heads up… I cut my toenails… and I’m looking forward to some hot and steamy.

Note to self: Be much, much more careful when using sarcasm with Walter in the future.

524 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:18am

re: #522 Sigma_x

Control F, and then your name.

You know, to ‘find’ your ‘nickname’.

525 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:27am

re: #521 McSpiff

PIMF: expect.

526 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:37am

K Kiddies

The last of the locusts are awake (my son and his friends that stayed overnight)

Time to make the Belgian waffles!

527 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:41am

re: #506 Obdicut

You’re simply interpreting things wrong. It’s not that people here wait for a newbie to fuck up and then stomp him, it’s that this site gets infested with trolls of various types over and over, and people here are tired and wary of any new person who immediately goes on the attack.

Again: You can’t both fling around insults and claim that you’re being picked on. Why not just settle down, cool the insults, and try to make your case reasonably? You’re perfectly capable of doing so.

What is to be gained by repeatedly saying that everyone is acting like they’re in high school?

Please find one instance where I insulted someone (except the 1 time I told someone who called me a douche to “eat a box of rusty dicks.)

528 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:43am

re: #511 reine.de.tout

and cold shoulder.

Missed it.

529 mr.JA  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:59am

re: #513 Walter L. Newton

No, no, no… only the Guardian is a reliable British news source… that’s what everyone keeps telling me… well, the left keeps telling me.

I think you are missing my sarcasm.

Blimey, got caught!

530 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:46:37am

re: #515 darthstar

I thought “cold ‘shudder’ ” was a nice play on words.

I prefer hot shudders.

531 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:46:56am

re: #530 MandyManners

I prefer hot shudders.

in bed

532 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:47:11am

re: #527 Sigma_x

Okay.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Are you trying to claim that telling someone they sound like they’re on acid isn’t an insult?

533 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:47:13am

re: #530 MandyManners

Better than hot flashes I guess

534 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:47:37am

“As for “coming on kinda strong.” Well, I’m not sure how to respond to that. I get the feeling (and it’s not just from my experience; I’ve seen it happen to others, too) that if a new poster comes on the board, and has the temerity to express an opinion in any voice other than a mouse squeak, he’s taken to task for it(or “dog-piled” on, as I believe it’s referred to here.) I don’t think I’ve been dog-piled on, but I have been given the cold shoulder by more than a few. Every time I posted something denigrating the Tea Party, I got a bunch of “F-you, A-hole” responses.”

You “missed it” because I spelled “shoulder” correctly.

535 swamprat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:13am

re: #502 Sigma_x

Stop whining. Make you case and make it well. No matter how people comment, they will respect you. Debate honestly and let the chips fall where they may.

Or go post on kuddleykittens.blogs.


Oh, and Hi! Glad you’re here!

536 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:24am

re: #520 Obdicut

What happened in the NY 23rd was the Republicans did not have a primary, which if they did, Scar… would not have been the candidate and the Republicans would likely have won the seat. There may be cases where the so-called tea party candidate wins a Republican primary. So what? The voters can decide.

537 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:49am

re: #522 Sigma_x

What’s a “find” on a “nic?”

Hit “alt” and “F” at the same time.
A box will show up in your browser, bottom left if you use Firefox, top right if you use others, probably.

Type in your nic and click “FIND” next or previous.

538 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:59am

re: #532 Obdicut

Okay.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Are you trying to claim that telling someone they sound like they’re on acid isn’t an insult?


Timothy Leary wouldn’t mind!

539 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:49:58am

re: #537 reine.de.tout

Ctrl, not alt.

540 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:50:22am

re: #532 Obdicut

Okay.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Are you trying to claim that telling someone they sound like they’re on acid isn’t an insult?

Oh my God - are you insane? You’ve been harping on this for 3 days now. Nonstop. Every time I show up and post something, you go back to this relentlessly and obsessively.

Never mind that I responded to it in numerous posts, acknowledged my mistake, took the time to try and understand what you were saying, and then agreed with you!

Good lord, man - get over it already.

541 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:50:23am

re: #534 Sigma_x

“As for “coming on kinda strong.” Well, I’m not sure how to respond to that. I get the feeling (and it’s not just from my experience; I’ve seen it happen to others, too) that if a new poster comes on the board, and has the temerity to express an opinion in any voice other than a mouse squeak, he’s taken to task for it(or “dog-piled” on, as I believe it’s referred to here.) I don’t think I’ve been dog-piled on, but I have been given the cold shoulder by more than a few. Every time I posted something denigrating the Tea Party, I got a bunch of “F-you, A-hole” responses.”

You “missed it” because I spelled “shoulder” correctly.

Aww shittt :-)

542 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:50:45am

re: #539 Obdicut

Ctrl, not alt.

OOPS.
re: #534 Sigma_x

…

You “missed it” because I spelled “shoulder” correctly.

And mega-OOPS on me.
Sorry.

Still, cold shudder has a ring to it.

543 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:51:20am

re: #541 McSpiff

Aww shittt :-)

LOL.

544 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:51:27am

re: #539 Obdicut

Ctrl, not alt.

Or just higlight your nic in the Username: label, and hit F3, if using Firefox. Then alt-p to scroll back up the thread to each instance.

545 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:51:36am

re: #489 Sigma_x

Kinda reminds me of the cafeteria in high school, where the cool clique would make fun of the new kid. “Who do you think you are expressing an opinion that differs from mine? You just got here! Now go sit in the corner by yourself.”

Please keep in mind: it’s not Serious Business. With the exception of a few of us who choose not to disclose our planet of origin, and a small, rarely heard-from clique I strongly suspect are actually advanced AI’s, you’re dealing with Real Live Humans here. As you probably know, humans can be wonderful and terrible, brilliant and dim, all at the same time and in every imaginable ratio. So it goes.

I think humans are hard-wired to try to “connect” on some level with other humans. The practice of banding together with others who have compatible goals has proven to be beneficial to us. “Strength in numbers” is a universal meme for a reason. Encountering a person who seems to hold ideas in direct contradiction to one’s own necessarily creates tension in both parties. I think the emotional feeling of “defensiveness” (you never actually consciously choose to become defensive, do you?) is an ornament of the drive to preserve your particular genes, but never mind all that. I’m probably wrong, but ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway?

The bottom line is: don’t get too worked up over it.

546 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:51:46am

re: #536 sandbox

You seem like you’re missing my actual question. What I am saying is: The GOP attitude in the current moment is that there can be no compromise, no working with anyone identified as the ‘opposition’. Given this, I already think the GOP primaries are going to be ugly as hell. But what I am asking is if those who lose the primaries who are either from the Paulian or the Theocrat camps— like Hayworth, against McCain, if he loses— will actually accept that loss, or whether there is a high likelihood of them running as a third party candidate.

547 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:52:03am

Ok… and on to another topic.

So far, I’m enjoying the heck out of “engaging” the customers at the supermarket. I can turn every job into a “stand up” something job. I’m actually working on routines to use with the customers.

“My goodness, two carts full of stuff, stocking up for Armageddon are we?”

“Did you miss our special on road kill?”

(Mother pushes up one of the baskets with the built in “kiddie cart” fronts for the youngsters, it’s empty) “You missing a kid?”

I’m either going to get fired or more get more customers standing in my checkout line than I can handle.

548 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:52:15am

re: #544 darthstar

Or just higlight your nic in the Username: label, and hit F3, if using Firefox. Then alt-p to scroll back up the thread to each instance.

Too many steps for me.
Remember we’re not all young whippersnappers.

549 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:52:43am

New Giant Lizard Discovery “an Unprecedented Surprise”

It has a double penis, is as long as a tall human, and lives in a heavily populated area of the Philippines.

Ok, which male LGFer is currently in the PI?

550 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:53:05am

re: #547 Walter L. Newton

Ok… and on to another topic.

So far, I’m enjoying the heck out of “engaging” the customers at the supermarket. I can turn every job into a “stand up” something job. I’m actually working on routines to use with the customers.

“My goodness, two carts full of stuff, stocking up for Armageddon are we?”

“Did you miss our special on road kill?”

(Mother pushes up one of the baskets with the built in “kiddie cart” fronts for the youngsters, it’s empty) “You missing a kid?”

I’m either going to get fired or more get more customers standing in my checkout line than I can handle.

You’re gonna get fired.
Is that the plan?
LOL.

551 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:54:48am

BHO in 1983.

552 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:55:48am

An update on Obama’s childhood in a radical madrassa….

Catholic school in Indonesia seeks recognition for its role in Obama’s life

While Obama went to Besuki, a mostly Muslim school, for less than a year, he spent most of his four years in Indonesia studying at Santo Fransiskus Asisi, a Roman Catholic school run at the time by a stern Dutch priest. Classes began and ended each day with Christian prayers.


Outrage!

553 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:09am

re: #540 Sigma_x

Oh my God - are you insane? …

Good lord, man - get over it already.

You see, this is what I’m talking about. Right after you claim you don’t insult anyone, you ask if I’m insane.

Yes, when someone has done something I consider a glaring, error, I tend to ‘harp’ on it. It might be a sign to you that I am not actually going to stop unless you respond in an adequate manner.

You first accused me of being on acid and laughed at me for holding a position. You later did agree with the position, I’m not disputing that— but no, you did not acknowledge in any way that you had made a mistake. Maybe inside your soul you did, but in words, you didn’t. And that is rather important.

It seems like you want to have your cake and eat it to— tell people they’re on acid, that they’re insane, that they’re harping on things— and simultaneously say that everyone is picking on you like they’re in high school.

554 Girth  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:20am

re: #547 Walter L. Newton

Ok… and on to another topic.

So far, I’m enjoying the heck out of “engaging” the customers at the supermarket. I can turn every job into a “stand up” something job. I’m actually working on routines to use with the customers.

“My goodness, two carts full of stuff, stocking up for Armageddon are we?”

“Did you miss our special on road kill?”

(Mother pushes up one of the baskets with the built in “kiddie cart” fronts for the youngsters, it’s empty) “You missing a kid?”

I’m either going to get fired or more get more customers standing in my checkout line than I can handle.

Talking to customers all day can be a blast.

555 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:32am

re: #550 reine.de.tout

You’re gonna get fired.
Is that the plan?
LOL.

No… I noticed the cashiers that seem to do the best, and enjoy their jobs the most are the ones who converse with the customer. And since we are up in “the hills” up here, it’s a rural setting, and these people are more open to “rag chewing” (old radio operators term for “talking”)… so I’m just combining my off beat sense of humor with engaging the customers to keep them smiling.

Otherwise, as people know here on LGF, I can be snotty as all hell, so it’s a toss up, I either grin and bear this, or I go all Andy Rooney on the customers.

What do you think will work best?

556 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:44am

re: #549 Shiplord Kirel

New Giant Lizard Discovery “an Unprecedented Surprise”

Ok, which male LGFer is currently in the PI?

Lazardo.

557 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:56am

There are times when the posts come on so fast an so furiously that I literally don’t have time to read a particularly long one before it disappears off the thread. Then I have to go back to the home page and sort through them, find and finish reading the one I was reading, and by the time I come back, it’s a entirely new round “Klingon Divorce Court” (as someone funnier than me called it) going down.

It’s no wonder I’m missing a lot of responses.

558 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:57:22am

re: #546 Obdicut

If a candidate runs in the primary, R or D, and losses and doesn’t support the winner, then that reduces their political viability in the future. They will be called a sore loser. So JD Hayworth will endose McCain if JD loses. I assume (ha, ha) McCain will do the same. Just like Joe Lieberman did in Conn.—oh, wait a minute..I’m getting confused.

559 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:59:04am

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

I do recommend exercising restraint. Get an overly sensitive customer, or one who may have recently actually lost a child, and you could shoot yourself in the foot. Be funny, be friendly, and enjoy, but do be careful.

560 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:59:05am

I just tilled part of the garden. Break time…gotta feed the children. What have I missed?

561 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:59:14am

re: #558 sandbox

In a political climate where Sarah Palin can quit her job as governor and still retain enormous support, I don’t think the normal rules of political engagement apply. That’s what I’m saying— the GOP seems to know be saying that every contest is now a fight to the death. Look at Christ and Rubio.

562 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:00:55am

re: #560 NJDhockeyfan

I just tilled part of the garden. Break time…gotta feed the children. What have I missed?

A newbie’s petulance.

563 Girth  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:01:00am

re: #561 Obdicut

Look at Christ and Rubio.

Yeah, Rubio’s got some big balls running against Jesus for Senator from FL.

564 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:01:12am

Lightning-powered mushrooms could boost food yields

Japanese farming lore has long observed that plentiful mushroom harvests tend to follow thunderstorms. Now researchers at Iwate University in northern Japan have confirmed the legend, finding that some mushrooms more than double their yields when jolted by electricity.

565 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:01:52am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

Lightning-powered mushrooms could boost food yields

Cool

566 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:02:11am

re: #563 Girth

Hee hee. We must stop Christ from destroying our economy with his foolish believe that one loaf can feed a multitude.
/

567 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:02:29am

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

No… I noticed the cashiers that seem to do the best, and enjoy their jobs the most are the ones who converse with the customer. And since we are up in “the hills” up here, it’s a rural setting, and these people are more open to “rag chewing” (old radio operators term for “talking”)… so I’m just combining my off beat sense of humor with engaging the customers to keep them smiling.

Otherwise, as people know here on LGF, I can be snotty as all hell, so it’s a toss up, I either grin and bear this, or I go all Andy Rooney on the customers.

What do you think will work best?

The chatting, of course, but I would advise trying to read the customer’s body language before engaging too much. I’m sure you already do that.


When I’m shopping groceries, I’m concentrating on other things sometimes, and enjoy a bit of banter, particularly when it’s humorous.

568 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:02:55am

re: #557 Sigma_x

There are times when the posts come on so fast an so furiously that I literally don’t have time to read a particularly long one before it disappears off the thread. Then I have to go back to the home page and sort through them, find and finish reading the one I was reading, and by the time I come back, it’s a entirely new round “Klingon Divorce Court” (as someone funnier than me called it) going down.

It’s no wonder I’m missing a lot of responses.

You’ll get the hang of it.

569 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:03:48am

re: #497 Walter L. Newton

No… the Times is not a reliable news source either. Only the Guardian, unless someone doesn’t like the occasional conservative article or opinion piece, then they are not reliable, at least for a day. Get with the program.

My Poe Detector is permanently broken, it seems.

How do you reconcile:

Richard Dawkins planning to have Pope Benedict arrested over ‘crimes against humanity’

with

re: richarddawkins.net Richard Dawkins

Needless to say, I did NOT say “I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI” or anything so personally grandiloquent.
[…]
What I DID say to Marc Horne when he telephoned me out of the blue, and I repeat it here, is that I am whole-heartedly behind the initiative by Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens to mount a legal challenge to the Pope’s proposed visit to Britain. Beyond that, I declined to comment

570 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:04:11am

re: #562 MandyManners

A newbie’s petulance.

Oh, you’ve met Sigma_x. Wait till he gets rolling. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

571 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:04:52am

re: #561 Obdicut

The normal rules are you have primaries. We are having a number of Republican primaries. In NJ last year Christie had a primary opponent who got 40% of the primary vote. His primary opponent then endorsed Christie, who won the general. End of story.

572 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:06:12am

re: #571 sandbox

Last year is not this year.

573 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:06:40am

re: #569 negativ

My Poe Detector is permanently broken, it seems.

Sorry, you’re sarcasm detector is broken, I was being snarky, which is normal.

574 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:07:40am

re: #559 darthstar

I do recommend exercising restraint. Get an overly sensitive customer, or one who may have recently actually lost a child, and you could shoot yourself in the foot. Be funny, be friendly, and enjoy, but do be careful.

I got ya…

575 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:08:04am

re: #573 Walter L. Newton

You’ve desensitized us all Walter.

576 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:08:22am

re: #523 darthstar

Note to self: Be much, much more careful when using sarcasm with Walter in the future.

You can never really tell
About a guy like that
Whether he’s really a nice person
Or if he just smiles a lot
Or if he has a son named Pinocchio
Or what

(obscure?)

577 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:09:12am

re: #572 Obdicut

Actually it is. That’s why we’re seeing alot of Republican primaries around the country. It’s looking like a good year for Republicans in 2010. Except in NY State, where the Republican party is still looking for decent statewide candidates.

578 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:09:44am

I’m trying to find something in a news-search on the U.S., as a matter of policy, denying Israel the use of airspace needed to make a pre-emptive strike on Iran, and, so far, I can’t.

579 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:10:26am

re: #567 reine.de.tout

The chatting, of course, but I would advise trying to read the customer’s body language before engaging too much. I’m sure you already do that.

When I’m shopping groceries, I’m concentrating on other things sometimes, and enjoy a bit of banter, particularly when it’s humorous.

I do.

I’ve been doing a audience participation comedy magic act for 30 years, I’ve done over 1000 performances, dealing with all kinds of volunteers, I have a really good sense of what I can get away with and what I can’t.

You know how some performers are “on” all the time. That’s me a lot. When I first moved in last summer, my girlfriend was telling her friends she has a new live in domestic comic.

580 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:12:12am

re: #577 sandbox

Actually it is. That’s why we’re seeing alot of Republican primaries around the country. It’s looking like a good year for Republicans in 2010. Except in NY State, where the Republican party is still looking for decent statewide candidates.

I’m sorry, but this year is not last year. I’m not sure why you’d claim that it is. Can you explain?

581 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:13:37am

re: #575 McSpiff

You’ve desensitized us all Walter.

It’s age!

582 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:13:39am

re: #578 Sigma_x

It’s on page 1835—last paragraph— of the Obama Health Care bill.

583 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:13:48am

re: #578 Sigma_x

Here you go:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

President Bush last year rejected an Israeli request to provide sophisticated, deep-penetration bombs to attack Iran’s underground nuclear enrichment facilities, Pentagon officials said yesterday.

The administration also rebuffed Israel’s plan to fly through U.S.-controlled Iraqi airspace to reach the Iranian site, officials said. The Israelis had not proposed a specific date for an attack, and it was not clear how far along the planning was when the requests were made, officials said.

584 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:15:35am

Iran to complain to UN over Obama nuclear ‘threat’

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran will file a formal complaint with the U.N. against the United States after President Barack Obama excluded Iran from a pledge not to use nuclear weapons against countries that do not have them, the Foreign Ministry said Sunday.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said Obama’s implicit threat to use nuclear weapons against Iran was a “threat to global peace and security,” according to Iran’s semiofficial Fars news agency.

Earlier Sunday, 222 lawmakers in Iran’s 290-seat parliament called on the Iranian government to file the complaint.

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say on all state matters, also said Obama’s threatening language is proof that the U.S. cannot be trusted.

Fuck off Iran.

585 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:15:47am

re: #580 Obdicut

The polls. And look at Scott Brown win in Mass. They are all projecting Republican pick up of seats in the House and Senate.

586 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:15:52am

The only thing I’ve been able to find so far is - according to “sources” - during Biden’s visit to Israel recently, the U.S. leaned on Israel to hold off on any airstrikes until they had a chance to see if sanctions were effective.

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

587 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:17:32am

re: #584 NJDhockeyfan

Bomb the Well!

588 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:17:48am

re: #557 Sigma_x

There are times when the posts come on so fast an so furiously that I literally don’t have time to read a particularly long one before it disappears off the thread. Then I have to go back to the home page and sort through them, find and finish reading the one I was reading, and by the time I come back, it’s a entirely new round “Klingon Divorce Court” (as someone funnier than me called it) going down.

It’s no wonder I’m missing a lot of responses.

I don’t follow each and every single post. I double anyone does. As you say, it goes by too fast. I routinely respond to comments that are 100+ comments old. By that time, the conversation has mutated so much that I’m more or less wallowing in temporal irrelevance. But, so what?

You see some, you miss some. You see someone replying to an interesting comment you missed, then you scroll back up and check it out. That lends itself to the frequently chaotic nature of the post comments here. In my view, that’s both a strength and a weakness of LFG. Most topics don’t get discussed in any depth compared to more “traditional” thread-based forums (fora?). At the same time, it [sometimes] keeps things from getting stale, and perhaps slightly fewer dead horses suffer perpetual floggings.

589 Girth  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:18:12am

re: #584 NJDhockeyfan

Iran to complain to UN over Obama nuclear ‘threat’

Fuck off Iran.

But Liz Cheney told me this morning that we were practicing pre-emptive disarmament and were leaving ourselves defenseless in the face of Iranian threats.

I’m so confused.

590 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:18:39am

re: #585 sandbox

The polls. And look at Scott Brown win in Mass. They are all projecting Republican pick up of seats in the House and Senate.

I’m sorry, but we appear to be talking past each other. What do the polls have to do with my question?

591 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:19:05am

re: #586 Sigma_x

I just posted something that directly showed it.

592 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:22:14am

According to some people in the loop on the subject of Iran, from what I’ve read, the White House’s current stance on Israeli settlements - which is obviously pissing off more than a just few people on this board - may really just be a way to go about garnering Arab support for an hardline stance against a nuclear-armed Iran, which is just as much a menace to them as much as to the western world.

593 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:22:45am

re: #586 Sigma_x

The only thing I’ve been able to find so far is - according to “sources” - during Biden’s visit to Israel recently, the U.S. leaned on Israel to hold off on any airstrikes until they had a chance to see if sanctions were effective.

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

from last night here are tips on using LGF.

In addition, if you click on a post number, you get a window with just that post in it.

If you click a person’s “avatar”, you are brought to their profile page.

If a person’s name is blue and you click it, you will be brought to their website if that’s what they have entered, OR a page where you can e-mail them, if that’s what they’ve chosen.

594 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:23:59am

Exquisite schadenfreude of the day:

Radical Muslims attack pro-Muslim Member of British Parliament Galloway

Campaigning for re-election, pro-Muslim British Member of Parliament George Galloway and entourage were attacked, Saturday, by Radical Muslims from the Al-Muhajiroun organization.

First they taunted Galloway as a “filthy Kaffir” [a British racist epithet for dark-skinned natives.]

M.P. Galloway explains that he encourages Muslims to vote, whereas Al-Muhajiroun discourages them and does not believe in democracy. Three gang members were arrested. Galloway had been held hostage for a few days by the same gang during the 2005 election.

Galloway, recently discovered to have been a paid agent of Saddam Hussein, was known for anti-Israel and pro-Arab views (Prof. Steven Plaut, 10/11 from ).

Galloway also recently tried to bring supplies from Sinai into Gaza, but was blocked by Egyptian police as he sought entry through unauthorized portals.

595 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:25:12am

re: #591 Obdicut

I just posted something that directly showed it.

That was regarding the Bush administration; I’m trying to find something relative to the Obama White House’s current stance on backing/not-backing any pre-emptive Israeli strike inside Iran.

596 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:26:21am

re: #592 Sigma_x

According to some people in the loop on the subject of Iran, from what I’ve read, the White House’s current stance on Israeli settlements - which is obviously pissing off more than a just few people on this board - may really just be a way to go about garnering Arab support for an hardline stance against a nuclear-armed Iran, which is just as much a menace to them as much as to the western world.

It’s possible. But the Arabs are no fans of the Iranians either. I’ve heard from friends of friends,etc… that there are people within the Saudi military establishment that would love to put boots on the ground in Iran, with proper US backing. Little pie in the sky I’d say, but still. America doesn’t need to convince the Arabs that Iran is a problem.

Personally I’m waiting for the Saudis to hit Yemen. Surprised it hasn’t happened yet.

597 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:27:30am

re: #595 Sigma_x

That was regarding the Bush administration; I’m trying to find something relative to the Obama White House’s current stance on backing/not-backing any pre-emptive Israeli strike inside Iran.

Okay. I think their stance is probably similar to the Bush’s administration on this. Moreover, you said:

3. We haven’t explicitly indicated that we would oppose Israel taking out nuke sites in Iran, which is basically the same thing as supporting it.

Which is not true. These things are generally not public knowledge, as the story I posted should show you.

598 Lidane  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:27:51am

Morning Lizards! Hope all is well. :)

If you missed it last night, Tina Fey hit another one out of the park with her Caribou Barbie impression:

The Sarah Palin Network

599 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:28:25am

re: #596 McSpiff

It is not in the least “pie in the sky” to imagine Saudi Arabia warring with Iran. It’s more like floating nightmare in the sky.

Saudi Arabia provides more support for terrorism than Iran does.

600 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:29:46am

re: #598 Lidane

I liked “Alaskanence” the story of a woman saving herself for marriage while trying to raise her three children.

601 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:32:08am

re: #595 Sigma_x

That was regarding the Bush administration; I’m trying to find something relative to the Obama White House’s current stance on backing/not-backing any pre-emptive Israeli strike inside Iran.

We’re correct to keep Israel’s hard right element from getting their way this time. Preemptive wars were morally dubious and bad strategy in 2003 for us, and they’re a bad idea for Israel and Iran for all the same reasons. Let them try something first, then rain down all the hellfire and brimstone you like, imho. Plenty of smart people with good track records think Iran’s not that stupid.

602 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:32:40am

re: #599 Obdicut

It is not in the least “pie in the sky” to imagine Saudi Arabia warring with Iran. It’s more like floating nightmare in the sky.

Saudi Arabia provides more support for terrorism than Iran does.

Like I said, the Saudis know their limits. They won’t go into Iran without B-52s or possibly IAF F-16s (anyone think that’s a possibility?) overhead.

603 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:33:02am

jeezus.

cat #588 %P% sed s/double/doubt/

604 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:33:31am

re: #602 McSpiff

I just hate the idea of Saudi Arabia expanding its influence one whit, and the idea of US forces working with Saudia Arabian ones is anathema to me.

I know we already do it.

605 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:33:37am

re: #594 Shiplord Kirel

Great report! The UK should deport the Al-Muhajiroun group.

606 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:34:51am

re: #604 Obdicut

I just hate the idea of Saudi Arabia expanding its influence one whit, and the idea of US forces working with Saudia Arabian ones is anathema to me.

I know we already do it.

Agreed fully. But if its a stronger Saudi Arabia or a nuclear armed Iran…oi, not a fun decision for anyone.

607 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:34:54am

re: #596 McSpiff

The This Week crowd on ABC agreed. They joked around a bit on how, if Israel acts in self defense and is unambiguously attacked first, all the Arab radars will be facing the wrong way when Israel uses their airspace to attack Iran.

608 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:35:22am

re: #605 sandbox

Great report! The UK should deport the Al-Muhajiroun group.

I’m not for the deportation of most, but people who actually reject democracy are okay targets for deportation to me. I don’t care what their religion or anything else is.

609 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:35:51am

re: #601 keloyd

We’re correct to keep Israel’s hard right element from getting their way this time. Preemptive wars were morally dubious and bad strategy in 2003 for us, and they’re a bad idea for Israel and Iran for all the same reasons. Let them try something first, then rain down all the hellfire and brimstone you like, imho. Plenty of smart people with good track records think Iran’s not that stupid.

My wife, who’s Iranian (her entire family still lives there) doesn’t believe for a second that Iran is even close to having nuclear weapons. She thinks it’s bullshit, all the tough-talk coming out of them, and that it’s a ploy to try and gain an edge at the negotiating table. Like, “Alright, we’ll stop with out (imaginary) nuclear weapons program if you provide us with (insert demand here.)

Kinda like the North Koreans have been doing for decades, except they really do have some weaponized uranium.

610 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:36:43am

re: #603 negativ

jeezus.
%P% sed s/double/doubt/

Get a grep, man!

611 boogberg  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:37:00am

re: #594 Shiplord Kirel

Exquisite schadenfreude of the day:

Radical Muslims attack pro-Muslim Member of British Parliament Galloway

Oh, that is just too delicious! :D

612 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:38:29am

re: #604 Obdicut

I just hate the idea of Saudi Arabia expanding its influence one whit, and the idea of US forces working with Saudia Arabian ones is anathema to me.

I know we already do it.

Disgusts me, too. My temper flared when the country that bans bibles complained about the Swiss banning minarets.

Oh, and the first game of my own personal allergy season begins today! *sniffles*

613 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:38:38am

re: #609 Sigma_x

I both think that they’re much farther from an actually usable weapon than is thought in general, and hope so.

In addition, with the number of very loosely-secured ex-Soviet nukes floating around there, I think the emphasis on stopping countries from developing them is relatively moot.

614 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:41:13am

And now for something completely different:

The war on Wikileaks, and why it matters (Glenn Greenwald)

A newly leaked CIA report prepared earlier this month analyzes how the U.S. Government can best manipulate public opinion in Germany and France — in order to ensure that those countries continue to fight in Afghanistan. The Report celebrates the fact that the governments of those two nations continue to fight the war in defiance of overwhelming public opinion which opposes it — so much for all the recent veneration of “consent of the governed” — and it notes that this is possible due to lack of interest among their citizenry: “Public Apathy Enables Leaders to Ignore Voters,” proclaims the title of one section.

But the Report also cites the “fall of the Dutch Government over its troop commitment to Afghanistan” and worries that — particularly if the “bloody summer in Afghanistan” that many predict takes place — what happened to the Dutch will spread as a result of the “fragility of European support” for the war. As the truly creepy Report title puts it, the CIA’s concern is: “Why Counting on Apathy May Not Be Enough”

[…]

The Report seeks to provide a back-up plan for “counting on apathy,” and provides ways that the U.S. Government can manipulate public opinion in these foreign countries. It explains that French sympathy for Afghan refugees means that exploiting Afghan women as pro-war messengers would be effective, while Germans would be more vulnerable to a fear-mongering campaign (failure in Afghanistan means the Terrorists will get you). The Report highlights the unique ability of Barack Obama to sell war to European populations.

[MANDY]
SNIP
[/MANDY]

615 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:42:25am

re: #609 Sigma_x

Just in case your wife is wrong, I would still like Obama admin to not give up on allowing Iran to get nukes.

616 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:42:36am

re: #613 Obdicut

I think the emphasis on stopping countries from developing them is relatively moot.

I need to say something here. On more than one occasion I’ve recently witnessed lizards referring to some abomination called a “mute” point. I hereby call on my fellow English-conscious lizards to use “moot” as often as possible to stem the tide of improper usage.

That is all.

617 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:42:50am

re: #609 Sigma_x

My wife, who’s Iranian (her entire family still lives there) doesn’t believe for a second that Iran is even close to having nuclear weapons. She thinks it’s bullshit, all the tough-talk coming out of them, and that it’s a ploy to try and gain an edge at the negotiating table. Like, “Alright, we’ll stop with out (imaginary) nuclear weapons program if you provide us with (insert demand here.)

Kinda like the North Koreans have been doing for decades, except they really do have some weaponized uranium.

That’s a very good possibility, but nuclear weapons are not really high tech anymore (they were invented over 60 years ago) and there are enough scientifically and technically trained people in Iran to make it work. What the mullahcracy probably lacks is the high-level management ability and continuity of policy to run a program like this for the years and decades on end that would be needed to pull it off.

618 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:42:58am

re: #613 Obdicut

I both think that they’re much farther from an actually usable weapon than is thought in general, and hope so.

In addition, with the number of very loosely-secured ex-Soviet nukes floating around there, I think the emphasis on stopping countries from developing them is relatively moot.

Nuclear tech really isn’t that complex anymore. Canada, Germany, Japan, several former soviet states could most likely run a crash nuclear weapons program and develop a bomb “overnight”. North Korea is a shit hole. If they can do it, anyone can. Its now becoming a matter of showing countries why they shouldn’t be nuclear armed. One reason why I think handling Iran properly is so vital.

619 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:43:00am

re: #610 darthstar

Get a grep, man!

You’re right; I really awk to be more careful.

620 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:43:58am

re: #619 negativ

You’re right; I really awk to be more careful.

And go shave your beard!

621 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:44:45am

re: #618 McSpiff

I don’t think North Korea has a very high chance of pulling of a nuclear strike, though, and the main reason they have a chance is technology bought from other countries.

I simply think that, if there is a nuclear incident, it is more likely to stem from an ex-Soviet satellite state selling one of their nukes to a terrorist group, or the Russians themselves selling to one.

I know that we expend a lot of resources in tracking and trying to contain those nukes, and I’m glad we do.

622 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:46:46am

re: #547 Walter L. Newton

Ok… and on to another topic.

So far, I’m enjoying the heck out of “engaging” the customers at the supermarket. I can turn every job into a “stand up” something job. I’m actually working on routines to use with the customers.

“My goodness, two carts full of stuff, stocking up for Armageddon are we?”

“Did you miss our special on road kill?”

(Mother pushes up one of the baskets with the built in “kiddie cart” fronts for the youngsters, it’s empty) “You missing a kid?”

I’m either going to get fired or more get more customers standing in my checkout line than I can handle.

That would make me the most loyal store customer you’ve ever seen…hope you get the latter reaction rather than the former.

623 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:47:30am

Consider also that he Saudi royal family is more moderate than their people. The royals have painted themselves into a corner. It’s routinely the case that some little provincial judge sentences a girl to lashes for being raped, and Prince Somethingorother commutes the sentence. If they don’t throw some raw meat to their wingnuts, the terrorists’ targets becomes domestic instead of an export. If they even discuss letting women drive, the wingnuts in the press denounce them as Western quislings, which they are, so the charges stick fairly easily. As long as they want to remain in power (which itself is difficult to morally defend), their hands are somewhat tied. I’m also guessing that democratic elections would put more crazier people in power, like Hamas in the West Bank.

624 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:48:29am

re: #613 Obdicut

I both think that they’re much farther from an actually usable weapon than is thought in general, and hope so.

In addition, with the number of very loosely-secured ex-Soviet nukes floating around there, I think the emphasis on stopping countries from developing them is relatively moot.

I just asked her again what her reasoning was in not believing the Iranians have nuclear weapons, and her response was, “Because they’re too stupid!” (Like, “Duh - why do you think?”)

She says - and she makes a pretty compelling, if simple, case - that these people have been doing nothing but hanging out in Mosques their whole lives. That Ahmadinejad’s “engineering degree” is a total farce. He’s a moron and so are the Mullahs (“Window-washers, is what she called them.) She says they don’t have the technical know-how to enrich uranium, let alone weaponize it, and unless another country full-on came into the country and built it for them - which the whole world would know if that were the case - and that the country simply does not possess the scientific-based educational framework to turn out scientists who can put it all together.

I know it’s not the same as if a C.I.A. agent inside Iran came out and said it, but she does make a fairly valid point. And, I think it’s important to remember, Saddam Hussein was claiming he had all these W.M.D. right up until the day we invaded Iraq. It wasn’t until afterwards that we found out he was full of shit all along, or that his Generals were bullshitting him.

625 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:49:21am

re: #609 Sigma_x

My wife, who’s Iranian (her entire family still lives there) doesn’t believe for a second that Iran is even close to having nuclear weapons. She thinks it’s bullshit, all the tough-talk coming out of them, and that it’s a ploy to try and gain an edge at the negotiating table. Like, “Alright, we’ll stop with out (imaginary) nuclear weapons program if you provide us with (insert demand here.)

Kinda like the North Koreans have been doing for decades, except they really do have some weaponized uranium.

Hard to say. A supervisor under me is Persian-Iranian, and is not shy about saying that everyone in her social circle, both here and in Iran, thinks that Ahmedinijad is batshit crazy enough to either be close to having a nuke and using it or 1000 years away. They can’t tell…which doesn’t make me feel happy and fun inside…

626 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:50:21am

re: #621 Obdicut

I don’t think North Korea has a very high chance of pulling of a nuclear strike, though, and the main reason they have a chance is technology bought from other countries.

I simply think that, if there is a nuclear incident, it is more likely to stem from an ex-Soviet satellite state selling one of their nukes to a terrorist group, or the Russians themselves selling to one.

I know that we expend a lot of resources in tracking and trying to contain those nukes, and I’m glad we do.

There was a great article I read recently about the whole issue with tactical nuclear weapons, and I can’t find it recently. Basically said that arms reduction treaties with the Russians should focus on those instead of ICBMs, which we can easily track and would be hard to sell to a non-state actor, but that the Russians essentially view tactical nukes as a last stand weapon and won’t part with them. And then it went into the NATO posture on them, etc. Really good article, if i find it ill post it

627 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:50:25am

re: #624 Sigma_x

What about all the foreign nuclear scientists who are working in the Iranian facilities.?

628 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:52:39am

re: #624 Sigma_x

I’m not an expert on Iranian level of technology, but I’d bet they’re up to the level of the US circa 1945 at this point.

And again, I think it’s pretty moot.

Here’s a good paper on the situation with the ex-Soviet nukes, for anyone who’s interested.

[Link: www.fas.org…]

629 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:52:40am

re: #627 sandbox

What about all the foreign nuclear scientists who are working in the Iranian facilities.?

You mean like the Russians & Norks?

630 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:52:40am

I think what’s really ironic is that we were the ones that helped them start their nuclear program in the 1st place, back in the 50’s as part of the “Atoms for Peace” program, and it went on up until the day the revolution began.

631 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:53:38am

re: #620 McSpiff

And go shave your beard!

I just wish I could grow a beard to shave. It takes me about a week to grow “5 o’clock shadow” and I’ve never let it go longer than about 2 weeks, at which point I look like someone who drives an ice cream truck and is probably registered in some database somewhere.

632 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:54:09am

re: #624 Sigma_x

I half agree. Pre-Revolution, our government promoted nuclear power for the Shah’s Iran and let in a ton of international students to study here. Post-revolution, we cut them off. There may be lots of 55+ year olds with expertise.

In other news, Persian women can be very good looking.

633 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:55:09am

re: #629 NJDhockeyfan

You mean like the Russians & Norks?

or that whole Pakistani Nuclear Bazaar that was shut down a few years ago? How much do you want to bet those guys are back in business.

634 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:55:40am

re: #625 Aceofwhat?

Hard to say. A supervisor under me is Persian-Iranian, and is not shy about saying that everyone in her social circle, both here and in Iran, thinks that Ahmedinijad is batshit crazy enough to either be close to having a nuke and using it or 1000 years away. They can’t tell…which doesn’t make me feel happy and fun inside…

I think Ahmadinejad is as close to having a nuke as Saddam Hussein was. And they have a similar talent for bloviating about their non-existent capabilities and goading their critics into doing stupid shit in response to their rhetoric.

635 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:56:13am

re: #624 Sigma_x

I think we have a pretty good idea how big their program is and how far they’ve come.

Iran Nuclear Scientist Defects to U.S. In CIA ‘Intelligence Coup’

An award-winning Iranian nuclear scientist, who disappeared last year under mysterious circumstances, has defected to the CIA and been resettled in the United States, according to people briefed on the operation by intelligence officials.

The officials were said to have termed the defection of the scientist, Shahram Amiri, “an intelligence coup” in the continuing CIA operation to spy on and undermine Iran’s nuclear program.

A spokesperson for the CIA declined to comment. In its declassified annual report to Congress, the CIA said, “Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons though we do not know whether Tehran eventually will decide to produce nuclear weapons.”

Amiri, a nuclear physicist in his early 30s, went missing last June three days after arriving in Saudi Arabia on a pilgrimage, according to the Iranian government. He worked at Tehran’s Malek Ashtar University, which is closely connected to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, according to the Associated Press.

Sounds like they can produce nukes whenever they decide to. Not good news.

636 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:56:31am

re: #627 sandbox

What about all the foreign nuclear scientists who are working in the Iranian facilities.?

I’m trying to do a search of “Foreign Nuclear Scientists” and “Iran” and I’m coming up short. If you have access to something, I’d love to see it.

637 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:56:39am

re: #632 keloyd

In other news, Persian women can be very good looking.

Image: iran1061609.jpg

Image: Post-Election-Riots-in-Iran.jpg

638 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:56:50am

re: #631 negativ

I just wish I could grow a beard to shave. It takes me about a week to grow “5 o’clock shadow” and I’ve never let it go longer than about 2 weeks, at which point I look like someone who drives an ice cream truck and is probably registered in some database somewhere.

heh. i have dark curly hair…with too much stubble, i look like someone who drives a truck full of C4. a profiler’s dream…

639 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:57:52am

re: #636 Sigma_x

I’m trying to do a search of “Foreign Nuclear Scientists” and “Iran” and I’m coming up short. If you have access to something, I’d love to see it.

re: #635 NJDhockeyfan

I think we have a pretty good idea how big their program is and how far they’ve come.

Iran Nuclear Scientist Defects to U.S. In CIA ‘Intelligence Coup’

Sounds like they can produce nukes whenever they decide to. Not good news.

640 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:58:06am

re: #467 negativ

It’s since been deleted at the request of the poster.

The comments are something that you can see on Yahoo! news talkbacks.

641 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:58:40am

re: #635 NJDhockeyfan

That isn’t how i read that at all.

It sounds like they haven’t really gotten anywhere with it, to me, and are using the threat of it to make the Western world dance.

642 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:58:54am

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

That piece seems pretty short on details to me.

643 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:59:07am

re: #636 Sigma_x

I meant my comment as a rhetorical question. IMHO, it is common knowledge that foreign nuke scientists are working in the Iranian facilities.

644 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:59:10am

re: #634 darthstar

I think Ahmadinejad is as close to having a nuke as Saddam Hussein was. And they have a similar talent for bloviating about their non-existent capabilities and goading their critics into doing stupid shit in response to their rhetoric.

i hope you’re right. i also hope that our good men and women in the intelligence community stay safe while finding a way to undermine and understand what these nuts are actually up to.

645 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:00:14am

re: #625 Aceofwhat?

Hard to say. A supervisor under me is Persian-Iranian, and is not shy about saying that everyone in her social circle, both here and in Iran, thinks that Ahmedinijad is batshit crazy enough to either be close to having a nuke and using it or 1000 years away. They can’t tell…which doesn’t make me feel happy and fun inside…

He’s a member of the 12th Imam cult who believes in creating Armageddon to get him to crawl out of a well. Don’t underestimate what lengths he & the Mullahs will go to achieve that.

646 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:00:55am

re: #645 NJDhockeyfan

Bomb the Well!

647 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:02:15am

re: #645 NJDhockeyfan

Meh. I really don’t think he’s in the least bit really religious, I think he’s just a snake.

Many intelligence experts think that Ahmedinijad is now the tool of the military, who are facing off against the Mullahs, and that Iran is changing from a theocracy to a military dictatorship.

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

648 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:02:22am

re: #642 Sigma_x

That piece seems pretty short on details to me.

Of course it is… I suspect that there is a lot of top secret information that they have decided they don’t want to share with Sigma_x. But I guess a ex-Iranian nuclear scientist doesn’t know very much, not as much as Sigma_x.

649 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:03:14am

I’d sit LeBron out of this game against Orlando, too, since they’ve clinched 1st place…but it makes for a more boring backdrop to LGF…

650 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:03:52am

re: #634 darthstar

I think Ahmadinejad is as close to having a nuke as Saddam Hussein was. And they have a similar talent for bloviating about their non-existent capabilities and goading their critics into doing stupid shit in response to their rhetoric.

I’d like to agree, but we’ve recently had a country so poor that the citizens eat grass develop a bomb… I’m starting to think Sadam just wanted to be able to claim he had one, while assuming the US wouldn’t actually attack him until they had evidence that in reality didn’t exist. Basically I think he never thought George Bush would actually call his bluff.

651 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:04:08am

re: #647 Obdicut

Meh. I really don’t think he’s in the least bit really religious, I think he’s just a snake.

Many intelligence experts think that Ahmedinijad is now the tool of the military, who are facing off against the Mullahs, and that Iran is changing from a theocracy to a military dictatorship.

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

it warms my heart to see you linking to the WSJ///

652 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:04:16am

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

And his Iranian wife.

653 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:04:25am

re: #624 Sigma_x

I just asked her again what her reasoning was in not believing the Iranians have nuclear weapons, and her response was, “Because they’re too stupid!” (Like, “Duh - why do you think?”)

She says - and she makes a pretty compelling, if simple, case - that these people have been doing nothing but hanging out in Mosques their whole lives. That Ahmadinejad’s “engineering degree” is a total farce. He’s a moron and so are the Mullahs (“Window-washers, is what she called them.) She says they don’t have the technical know-how to enrich uranium, let alone weaponize it, and unless another country full-on came into the country and built it for them - which the whole world would know if that were the case - and that the country simply does not possess the scientific-based educational framework to turn out scientists who can put it all together.

I know it’s not the same as if a C.I.A. agent inside Iran came out and said it, but she does make a fairly valid point. And, I think it’s important to remember, Saddam Hussein was claiming he had all these W.M.D. right up until the day we invaded Iraq. It wasn’t until afterwards that we found out he was full of shit all along, or that his Generals were bullshitting him.

Again, I’m not sure she’s wrong but we do have to consider the possibility that she is. The Soviet Union exploded its first nuclear bomb in 1949. At the time, Soviet technology had not yet developed a reliable jet engine, a good radar, or even a reliable piston engine turbocharger on its own. Their delivery system for their first operational nuclear weapons, in 1951, was the Tupolev TU-4, a monkey-see monkey-do copy of the B-29 that had also been the first US delivery system.

654 boogberg  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:04:31am

Eurozone details $40.5 billion aid plan for Greece

Hey Sigma_x,

Greek bank stocks tomorrow?

655 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:04:36am

re: #647 Obdicut

Meh. I really don’t think he’s in the least bit really religious, I think he’s just a snake.

Many intelligence experts think that Ahmedinijad is now the tool of the military, who are facing off against the Mullahs, and that Iran is changing from a theocracy to a military dictatorship.

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

He brings up the well troll every time he speaks at the UN. I think he’s not only religions, but he’s insane, in a Hitler kind of way.

656 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:05:56am

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

Of course it is… I suspect that there is a lot of top secret information that they have decided they don’t want to share with Sigma_x. But I guess a ex-Iranian nuclear scientist doesn’t know very much, not as much as Sigma_x.

Oh, an internet tough guy. How unsettling.

Where the f_ck did I ever state that I even had an opinion on the matter one way or another. All I was doing was stating my wife’s opinion on the subject.

Next time I’ll check with you first to see if that’s okay.

657 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:06:35am

re: #655 NJDhockeyfan

NJDHockey. So what do you think of the idea of bombing the well?

658 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:07:36am

Hitler had a mystical streak, not unlike Ahmidinijad’s quirky interpretation of Islam. It’s getting into what words mean to say if that’s “religious” or not.

Obdicut quoting from my WSJ - (putting my finger tips together like Mr. Burns) eexcellent.

659 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:07:38am

re: #656 Sigma_x

Oh, an internet tough guy. How unsettling.

Where the f_ck did I ever state that I even had an opinion on the matter one way or another. All I was doing was stating my wife’s opinion on the subject.

Next time I’ll check with you first to see if that’s okay.

oh, settle down. it was sarcastic and funny. sarcastic ≠ personal.

660 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:07:47am

re: #654 boogberg

Eurozone details $40.5 billion aid plan for Greece

Hey Sigma_x,

Greek bank stocks tomorrow?

Not unless you bought it on Friday. And Friday morning at that. NBG is the stock to go with. But they already ran it up to $4 on Friday, from an opening of 3.60. And I think the most it’ll go up to is around 4.30.

661 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:08:35am

re: #656 Sigma_x

Oh, an internet tough guy. How unsettling.

Where the f_ck did I ever state that I even had an opinion on the matter one way or another. All I was doing was stating my wife’s opinion on the subject.

Next time I’ll check with you first to see if that’s okay.

Hey idiot… stop whining. If you are going to discuss topics here, make statement, there is going to be debate, agreements and disagreements.

If you don’t like someone questioning your comments or your opinions, then shut the fuck up.

Is this how you try to win every debate, by getting nasty when you don’t like someone disagreeing with you?

Fuck off… dick head.

662 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:09:10am

Will flickr videos embed?

Tea Party Express Speech

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

The New World Order is gonna take yer gunz!

663 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:09:40am

re: #662 Killgore Trout

I guess not, just follow the direct link to watch the video.

664 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:09:45am

re: #655 NJDhockeyfan

He brings up the well troll every time he speaks at the UN. I think he’s not only religions, but he’s insane, in a Hitler kind of way.

Is there anybody you don’t like that you haven’t compared to Hitler? I’m not defending Ahmadinejad…I think he’s nuts, too. But you throw Hitler around like he’s a food seasoning. It diminishes his historical importance as the epitome of evil to use him as a cheap insult.

665 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:09:48am

re: #662 Killgore Trout

Will flickr videos embed?

Tea Party Express Speech

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

The New World Order is gonna take yer gunz!

ay caramba…

666 boogberg  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:10:10am

re: #660 Sigma_x

Not unless you bought it on Friday. And Friday morning at that. NBG is the stock to go with. But they already ran it up to $4 on Friday, from an opening of 3.60. And I think the most it’ll go up to is around 4.30.

Thanks. All my powder is dry and I’m lookin’. :)

667 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:10:28am

re: #657 sandbox

NJDHockey. So what do you think of the idea of bombing the well?

Bombs away! Some smart bunker-buster bombs will work just fine.

668 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:10:50am

re: #651 Aceofwhat?

Amir Taheri is a very spotty, but I liked that particular article.

669 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:11:14am

re: #666 boogberg

Thanks. All my powder is dry and I’m lookin’. :)

I wouldn’t buy anything at these levels. We’re gonna get a nice pullback shortly, probably around S&P 1215. That’s when I plan on going short. Buy back in again around 1153.

670 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:12:33am

re: #669 Sigma_x

Do you think the Greece rescue package will cause the Euro to rally on Monday, and gold to go down?

671 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:12:37am

re: #664 darthstar

Is there anybody you don’t like that you haven’t compared to Hitler? I’m not defending Ahmadinejad…I think he’s nuts, too. But you throw Hitler around like he’s a food seasoning. It diminishes his historical importance as the epitome of evil to use him as a cheap insult.

Back up that bullshit statement.

Links please.

672 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:13:10am

re: #668 Obdicut

Amir Taheri is a very spotty, but I liked that particular article.

and of course i’m just having fun. in general, i think they’re much better with analytical reporting than other rags (Tufte agrees) but one can quote their reporters without endorsing their editorial page, which you already know and others still need to learn.

673 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:14:05am

re: #662 Killgore Trout

Will flickr videos embed?

Tea Party Express Speech

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

The New World Order is gonna take yer gunz!

What a maroon! I’ve run across quite a few of these “gun confiscation treaty” tin-foilers recently. They must have been asleep or stoned in civics class if they really believe the POTUS can repeal a Constitutional provision simply by signing a treaty with foreigners to do so.

674 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:15:27am

re: #673 Shiplord Kirel

What a maroon! I’ve run across quite a few of these “gun confiscation treaty” tin-foilers recently. They must have been asleep or stoned in civics class if they really believe the POTUS can repeal a Constitutional provision simply by signing a treaty with foreigners to do so.

seriously. too much napping during recent SCOTUS opinions, much?

go back to sleep, maroons. our union is more perfect when you’re unconscious…

675 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:16:35am

re: #673 Shiplord Kirel

What a maroon! I’ve run across quite a few of these “gun confiscation treaty” tin-foilers recently. They must have been asleep or stoned in civics class if they really believe the POTUS can repeal a Constitutional provision simply by signing a treaty with foreigners to do so.

He did WHAT?

676 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:17:19am

re: #674 Aceofwhat?

seriously. too much napping during recent SCOTUS opinions, much?

go back to sleep, maroons. our union is more perfect when you’re unconscious…

Which SCOTUS opinion stated that a treaty would take precedence over the constitution?

677 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:17:48am

re: #673 Shiplord Kirel

What a maroon! I’ve run across quite a few of these “gun confiscation treaty” tin-foilers recently. They must have been asleep or stoned in civics class if they really believe the POTUS can repeal a Constitutional provision simply by signing a treaty with foreigners to do so.

It’s amazing that people really believe this stuff. That damn Tea Party bus travels the country spewing conspiracy theories.

678 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:18:07am

re: #661 Walter L. Newton

“If you don’t like someone questioning your comments or your opinions, then shut the fuck up.”

1st of all - Fuck you, you little, pathetic, hiding-behind-a-computer-screen shit-talking asshole.

2ndly - What comment did I make that you even questioned? Or disagreed with? All you did was post some obnoxious comment that had no bearing on anything I said at all. You were just being antagonizing.

3rdly - Fuck you.

679 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:19:27am

re: #671 NJDhockeyfan

Back up that bullshit statement.

Links please.

Here:
re: #655 NJDhockeyfan

He brings up the well troll every time he speaks at the UN. I think he’s not only religions, but he’s insane, in a Hitler kind of way.

680 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:20:05am

re: #678 Sigma_x

I’ll tell you what… you click on my name and you will find all the information you need to contact me personally… I don’t hide behind anything… go for it ranger.

681 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:21:22am

re: #678 Sigma_x

“If you don’t like someone questioning your comments or your opinions, then shut the fuck up.”

1st of all - Fuck you, you little, pathetic, hiding-behind-a-computer-screen shit-talking asshole.

2ndly - What comment did I make that you even questioned? Or disagreed with? All you did was post some obnoxious comment that had no bearing on anything I said at all. You were just being antagonizing.

3rdly - Fuck you.

Walter is a long time member of LGF whom most here respect immensely. Who the fuck do you think you are talking to people you don’t even know like that?

/Fucking trolls.

682 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:22:13am

re: #678 Sigma_x

“If you don’t like someone questioning your comments or your opinions, then shut the fuck up.”

1st of all - Fuck you, you little, pathetic, hiding-behind-a-computer-screen shit-talking asshole.

2ndly - What comment did I make that you even questioned? Or disagreed with? All you did was post some obnoxious comment that had no bearing on anything I said at all. You were just being antagonizing.

3rdly - Fuck you.

Try to keep the spittle off the keyboard. You stated that you believed Iran was not making progress on the bomb… because your wife doesn’t think the Mullahs can run a reactor? That’s retarded. Sorry, I’m sure she’s a sweet lady but that’s awfully clueless. The rest of will discuss things like… facts, and reality if that’s ok with you. Iran does have a reactor and they are working the Norks on missile tech at they very least, and most likely the nuclear aspect as well. I can post links to actual sources if you’d like.

So seriously. Fuck off. Your posting dribble and wondering why people aren’t basking in your intellectual glory? Fucking troll.

683 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:23:01am

re: #679 darthstar

That’s it? One time is throwing “Hitler around like he’s a food seasoning”?

Alrighty then…

684 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:23:19am

re: #682 McSpiff

No, I didn’t say that’s what I believe. I simply stated that’s what SHE thought.

And how come no one took HIM to task for cursing at me, first? I find that interesting.

685 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:23:36am

re: #683 NJDhockeyfan

That’s it? One time is throwing “Hitler around like he’s a food seasoning”?

Alrighty then…

He caught you red handed.
/

686 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:23:59am

re: #683 NJDhockeyfan

That’s it? One time is throwing “Hitler around like he’s a food seasoning”?

Alrighty then…

No…I’m just too lazy to go back and read through your history to find more examples, so I figured that fresh one would suffice for today.

687 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:24:52am

re: #684 Sigma_x

No, I didn’t say that’s what I believe. I simply stated that’s what SHE thought.

And how come no one took HIM to task for cursing at me, first? I find that interesting.

Yawn… give me a call.

688 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:24:52am

re: #684 Sigma_x

No, I didn’t say that’s what I believe. I simply stated that’s what SHE thought.

And how come no one took HIM to task for cursing at me, first? I find that interesting.

Call the waaaaambulance! Somebody is picking on Sigma_x!

689 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:25:29am

re: #684 Sigma_x

No, I didn’t say that’s what I believe. I simply stated that’s what SHE thought.

And how come no one took HIM to task for cursing at me, first? I find that interesting.

If you don’t believe it you should probably shut the fuck up about it. I don’t post shit the homeless guy on the corner screams, because i’d actually have to defend it. No one minds Walter or me cursing because we contribute. So far you’ve been whining, posting shit your wife says, swearing, and then accusing us all of double standards. It’s getting really old real fast.

690 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:25:34am

Yeah, but this is fine, right? This is the post I responded to. Nothing wrong with that, right? Because I’m new here.

Makes sense to me.

691 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:25:34am

re: #676 McSpiff

Which SCOTUS opinion stated that a treaty would take precedence over the constitution?

none. i was agreeing that they are insane and have been napping during recent SCOTUS opinions. no one is taking teh guns away…

692 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:25:41am

re: #686 darthstar

No…I’m just too lazy to go back and read through your history to find more examples, so I figured that fresh one would suffice for today.

So in other words you made it up.

Gotcha ;0)

693 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:26:56am

re: #691 Aceofwhat?

none. i was agreeing that they are insane and have been napping during recent SCOTUS opinions. no one is taking teh guns away…

Whoops, my bad. Thanks for clearing it up.

694 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:27:01am

re: #678 Sigma_x

You picked the wrong person to accuse of anonymity.

Walter likes having fights, too.

695 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:27:09am

re: #690 Sigma_x

Yeah, but this is fine, right? This is the post I responded to. Nothing wrong with that, right? Because I’m new here.

Makes sense to me.

Right… I was the first to curse… read you own comment…

696 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:28:18am

re: #689 McSpiff

If you don’t believe it you should probably shut the fuck up about it. I don’t post shit the homeless guy on the corner screams, because i’d actually have to defend it. No one minds Walter or me cursing because we contribute. So far you’ve been whining, posting shit your wife says, swearing, and then accusing us all of double standards. It’s getting really old real fast.

So you’re equating my wife’s opinion on the subject with a homeless guy on the streetcorner? My wife, who was born in Korramshahr, raised in Tehran, and goes back every summer to visit her family?

697 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:28:28am

re: #694 Obdicut

You picked the wrong person to accuse of anonymity.

Walter likes having fights, too.

No kidding… we’ve all hear it before “The Walter Show” ” attention whore” if anything, I don’t hide behind a keyboard.

Thanks… really.

698 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:28:34am

re: #693 McSpiff

Whoops, my bad. Thanks for clearing it up.

no sweat. i appreciate your questioning it. would hate to give the impression that i think the tinfoil club are contributing anything useful…

699 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:28:47am

re: #694 Obdicut

You picked the wrong person to accuse of anonymity.

Walter likes having fights, too.

But in Sigma’s defense, he wasn’t the one who started with the ad hominem.

And yes, Walter does like a good fight. It’s quite easy to get started with him…harder to get out once you do.

700 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:29:30am

re: #696 Sigma_x

I thought you said I was the first one to curse at you… you want to reconsider that statement.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

701 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:29:48am

re: #699 darthstar

But in Sigma’s defense, he wasn’t the one who started with the ad hominem.

And yes, Walter does like a good fight. It’s quite easy to get started with him…harder to get out once you do.

Yes he was…

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

702 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:30:23am

re: #699 darthstar

But in Sigma’s defense, he wasn’t the one who started with the ad hominem.

And yes, Walter does like a good fight. It’s quite easy to get started with him…harder to get out once you do.

I told you I cut my toenails… save the clippings for you :)

703 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:30:36am

re: #696 Sigma_x

So you’re equating my wife’s opinion on the subject with a homeless guy on the streetcorner? My wife, who was born in Korramshahr, raised in Tehran, and goes back every summer to visit her family?

Yes? I fully expect that your wife knows absolutely nothing on the subject of Iranian nuclear weapons. I have family in the United States. Does that mean I’m now an expert on the US nuclear program?

You’re approaching Sarah “I can see Russia from my house” Palin levels of stupidity.

704 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:31:44am

re: #699 darthstar

I didn’t give an upding to either Sigma_X’s or Walter’s cursing. I think it’s pointless and silly in both cases.

However, Walter is non anonymous, so he’s not hiding a damn thing. I’m happy to take Walter to task for his real errors and problems, but not so much for ones that aren’t true.

705 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:31:52am

re: #703 McSpiff

Yes? I fully expect that your wife knows absolutely nothing on the subject of Iranian nuclear weapons. I have family in the United States. Does that mean I’m now an expert on the US nuclear program?

You’re approaching Sarah “I can see Russia from my house” Palin levels of stupidity.

Sorry, Sigma’s wife is approaching that level of stupidity. Apparently he doesn’t have an original idea in his head.

706 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:32:16am

re: #703 McSpiff

Yes? I fully expect that your wife knows absolutely nothing on the subject of Iranian nuclear weapons. I have family in the United States. Does that mean I’m now an expert on the US nuclear program?

You’re approaching Sarah “I can see Russia from my house” Palin levels of stupidity.

I try and type slowly so maybe you’ll understand - I. Said. It. Was. Her. Opinion. That’s all. I even said her case was “simple.”

I’m really trying to control myself here. I really am.

707 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:32:22am

re: #701 Walter L. Newton

Yes, but he didn’t actually curse AT you in that post. He called you an ‘internet tough guy’…not exactly reason for a nuclear response, but we are living in Bachmann’s America now, so I guess I’ll just go make popcorn and watch the apocalypse.

708 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:32:57am

re: #662 Killgore Trout

Will flickr videos embed?

Tea Party Express Speech

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

The New World Order is gonna take yer gunz!

I would probably not be considered “conservative” by others who consider themselves conservative, but I am very supportive of the right of law-abiding people to keep and bear all sorts of arms (to an extent: I don’t necessarily think my neighbor, regardless of how sane and responsible he may be, needs access to a 20mm Vulcan, for example). I am strongly in favor of “shall-issue” concealed handgun license statutes (though I might ratchet up the testing requirements slightly), and I think there should be state-to-state “reciprocity”, as it’s called in the parlance.

The 1994 “Assault Weapons Ban” was some of the dumbest legislation ever passed for eleventy different reasons. It was based entirely on ignorance, and on fear arising from said ignorance.

However, the NRA must accept a lot of the blame for shitty gun control regulation. What most Americans know about how firearms work, they’ve learned from TV and movies and dumbass news stories wherein THE GUN JUST WENT OFF. Rather than take the time to explain how a semi-automatic firearm actually works mechanically, and why a .223 caliber “assault rifle” incorporating lots of black plastic is actually less dangerous than their grampaw’s pump-action 12ga shotgun, NRA zealots wax idealistic and rant about prying it from cold dead fingers. As is usually the case, education and enlightenment is the key, but nobody seems to be very interested in that.

709 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:33:19am

re: #706 Sigma_x

I try and type slowly so maybe you’ll understand - I. Said. It. Was. Her. Opinion. That’s all. I even said her case was “simple.”

I’m really trying to control myself here. I really am.

O we know. Apparently you don’t have two clues to rub together. Does she know you’re talking to strangers on the internet?

710 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:33:38am

re: #703 McSpiff

Yes? I fully expect that your wife knows absolutely nothing on the subject of Iranian nuclear weapons. I have family in the United States. Does that mean I’m now an expert on the US nuclear program?

You’re approaching Sarah “I can see Russia from my house” Palin levels of stupidity.

Heh. I will take the word of an Iranian nuclear scientist who defected over someone’s wife who knows nothing about nukes.

711 darthstar  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:33:40am

re: #704 Obdicut

I didn’t give an upding to either Sigma_X’s or Walter’s cursing. I think it’s pointless and silly in both cases.

However, Walter is non anonymous, so he’s not hiding a damn thing. I’m happy to take Walter to task for his real errors and problems, but not so much for ones that aren’t true.

Good point.

712 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:35:28am

re: #707 darthstar

Yes, but he didn’t actually curse AT you in that post. He called you an ‘internet tough guy’…not exactly reason for a nuclear response, but we are living in Bachmann’s America now, so I guess I’ll just go make popcorn and watch the apocalypse.

mmm…popcorn

by the way, i believe it is a scientific fact that sugar on popcorn is like pineapple on pizza…criminal…

713 sandbox  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:35:35am

re: #706 Sigma_x

That’s true, you said it was her opinion. Likewise her opinion that the Iranian scientists don’t know crap about nuclear technology.

714 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:35:41am

re: #711 darthstar

Good point.

I never said he was hiding (not in that context.) I never accused him of posting annon.

I have no tolerance for people that say things on the internet that would get them punched in the face in person. Such as, “Fuck you, dickhead.”

That it what I meant when I referred to him as a hidin-behind-a-computer-screen shit-talking asshole. Period.

715 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:36:23am

re: #714 Sigma_x

I never said he was hiding (not in that context.) I never accused him of posting annon.

I have no tolerance for people that say things on the internet that would get them punched in the face in person. Such as, “Fuck you, dickhead.”

That it what I meant when I referred to him as a hidin-behind-a-computer-screen shit-talking asshole. Period.

You miss the point… I would say it to your face.

716 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:36:53am

re: #708 negativ

well said. agree completely.

717 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:37:44am

re: #715 Walter L. Newton

You miss the point… I would say it to your face.

I highly doubt that. And, sorry, but you miss the point…

You didn’t say it to my face.

718 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:37:48am

re: #712 Aceofwhat?

mmm…popcorn

by the way, i believe it is a scientific fact that sugar on popcorn is like pineapple on pizza…criminal…

OK that’s it…I stayed out this pissing match until now…
extra Pineapple on Veggie pizza Ace is heaven on earth.. Well kindof
Hope you are doing well this fine day…

719 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:38:02am

re: #714 Sigma_x

If you punch people in the face who say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you in real life, then you’re a thug and a criminal who goes to jail.

Do you understand that?

720 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:39:04am

re: #718 HoosierHoops

OK that’s it…I stayed out this pissing match until now…
extra Pineapple on Veggie pizza Ace is heaven on earth.. Well kindof
Hope you are doing well this fine day…

hey HH! just bored that the Cavs aren’t playing LeBron, but i understand - don’t hurt the guy now that you’ve clinched 1st place. And they’re still beating Orlando. Go Cavs!

721 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:40:33am

re: #662 Killgore Trout

Will flickr videos embed?

Tea Party Express Speech

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The New World Order is gonna take yer gunz!

Follow-up.

Someone needs to tell these idiots that a treaty can only be enforced within the United States if it is ratified by the Senate, if enabling legislation is passed, and , of course, if it does not violate the US Constitution. It would be legally impossible for enabling legislation to pass if it is unconstitutional.

Otherwise:
The Big O: You know, I’m fed up with these radio clowns like Limbaugh and Levin but we have that pesky First Amendment thing to contend with.

Hillary (cackling): I have a solution! We just sign a treaty with, say, Micronesia and the Dominican Republic to ban Republican radio, and the First Amendment is toast. They don’t have Republicans in those holes so they don’t care either way!

The Big O: Excellent thinking Hil, but won’t our opponents be able to use it against us too if we repeal the First Amendment?

Hillary: No, you’re not thinking, Barry. It only affects Republicans. Anyone who opposes us would have to cook up their own treaty and get the senate to ratify it. That can’t happen while we’re still in power.

The Big O: Er, what will these treaty partners charge us?

Hillary: I’ve already checked. The DR will settle for a major league franchise in Santo Domingo and the Micronesians just want dibs on Limbaugh’s yachts and Maybachs when we seize them.

The Bit O: Very good, consider it done.

722 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:40:57am

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

hey HH! just bored that the Cavs aren’t playing LeBron, but i understand - don’t hurt the guy now that you’ve clinched 1st place. And they’re still beating Orlando. Go Cavs!

The Cavs are playing fast and tough.. I think Mo is under rated as a point

723 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:41:10am

re: #717 Sigma_x

I highly doubt that. And, sorry, but you miss the point…

You didn’t say it to my face.

He would say it to your face. Trust those of us who know Walter…he is the most transparent person here. Agree or disagree with him, but he is #1 on most lists of “people least likely to be hiding behind teh intertoob”.

Just sayin’.

724 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:42:15am

re: #719 Obdicut

If you punch people in the face who say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you in real life, then you’re a thug and a criminal who goes to jail.

Do you understand that?

Be that as it may. Where I’m from, you don’t say things like that to someone you don’t know unless you’re ready to fight.

Why, where you’re from you can just run around with abandon saying “Fuck you, dickhead” to complete strangers without any fear of reprisal? I’d be interested to know where that is.

725 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:43:17am

re: #718 HoosierHoops

OK that’s it…I stayed out this pissing match until now…
extra Pineapple on Veggie pizza Ace is heaven on earth.. Well kindof
Hope you are doing well this fine day…

Note that updinging you out of civility was very, very hard given your pineapple comment…it speaks to what a wonderful human being i am/

I have a feeling that Brookly would join me in wanting to shake you back into common sense, shortly before we have one too many beers with you…pineapple is for pina coladas. Put meat on that pizza, dude!

726 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:43:21am

Back to yard work.

BBIAW

727 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:44:14am

re: #724 Sigma_x

Be that as it may. Where I’m from, you don’t say things like that to someone you don’t know unless you’re ready to fight.

Why, where you’re from you can just run around with abandon saying “Fuck you, dickhead” to complete strangers without any fear of reprisal? I’d be interested to know where that is.

I tell you what… you had you say, I had my say, we don’t agree, you got your way of handling thing, I have mine, now, why don’t we both shut the fuck up and drop it?

728 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:44:44am

re: #722 HoosierHoops

The Cavs are playing fast and tough.. I think Mo is under rated as a point

Yep. Against Orlando, Shaq made a difference earlier this year, and they’ve already shown that they can beat the Lakers. It’s this year or bust for the Cavs.

729 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:45:39am

re: #724 Sigma_x

Be that as it may. Where I’m from, you don’t say things like that to someone you don’t know unless you’re ready to fight.

Why, where you’re from you can just run around with abandon saying “Fuck you, dickhead” to complete strangers without any fear of reprisal? I’d be interested to know where that is.

most of us aren’t strangers to each other.

730 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:45:57am

Moving up stairs lizards

731 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:47:04am

re: #724 Sigma_x

I’m from San Francisco. I see a lot of people curse at each other every day and not punch each other in the face. It’s kind of like magic.

You know, ‘Internet tough guy’ doesn’t refer to someone who tells other people ‘fuck you’ on the internet. It refers to they guy saying “I’d kick your ass for that in real life”.

I think the passive way you’re putting this— as though Walter would say, ‘Fuck you dickhead’ to you and just get punched in the face by someone, not that it would be you in particular— is also extremely wussy of you.

I have no tolerance for people that say things on the internet that would get them punched in the face in person. Such as, “Fuck you, dickhead.”

Who would be punching Walter in the face for saying ‘Fuck you, dickhead,” to you, if not yourself? Just a concerned passer-by?

732 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:48:11am

re: #719 Obdicut

If you punch people in the face who say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you in real life, then you’re a thug and a criminal who goes to jail.

Do you understand that?

We’re getting trolled. I’m calling it now.

733 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:49:35am

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

I would like that very much.

But (& this is the last thing I’ll say on the subject) I think it should be clarified that I only posted my wife’s thoughts on the matter. I never stated I agreed or disagreed with them. I simply thought it might interest people on this board to hear someone who actually is from Iran’s - and her family and family’s friends & neighbors, for the most part) thoughts on the subject.

That was all. I don’t know, I found it interesting. But that’s all.

734 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:51:44am

BB later, before work. I have a evening shift tonight at the store, so I’m going to take a nap… maybe stop in before I leave, or maybe when I get home after 10 mountain. Or maybe tomorrow :)

735 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:52:59am

re: #734 Walter L. Newton

BB later, before work. I have a evening shift tonight at the store, so I’m going to take a nap… maybe stop in before I leave, or maybe when I get home after 10 mountain. Or maybe tomorrow :)

Seeya.. next time you’re around? Enjoy the performance art.

736 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:56:19am

re: #732 McSpiff

We’re getting trolled. I’m calling it now.

Image: trollface_hd.jpg

737 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:58:22am

re: #732 McSpiff

We’re getting trolled. I’m calling it now.

Clearly, you and I differ greatly in our perception of what constitutes “trolling.”

I’d appreciate it if you could provide just one example of my being a troll.

Just one.

738 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:59:14am

re: #737 Sigma_x

Do you really punch people in the face if they say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you?

739 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:00:45am

I suppose, if by troll you mean someone new to the board who has the audacity to fight back when relentlessly ridiculed for simply trying to participate in the conversation, then, yeah - guilty as charged - that would, indeed, make me a troll.

740 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:04:03am

re: #739 Sigma_x

You aren’t being ridiculed for trying to participate, but for the manner of your participation.

And your victimhood complex is rivaled only by that of the GOP.

741 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:04:27am

re: #740 Obdicut

You aren’t being ridiculed for trying to participate, but for the manner of your participation.

And your victimhood complex is rivaled only by that of the GOP.

Really? What was it that started the whole thing? Do you even know?

742 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:09:00am

re: #741 Sigma_x

Try actually answering a question before you ask another:

Do you really punch people in the face if they say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you?

I also have no clue what you mean by ‘the whole thing’. Do you mean that in the context of this thread? Your posting over the past several days?

743 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:12:18am

re: #742 Obdicut

Try actually answering a question before you ask another:

Do you really punch people in the face if they say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you?

I also have no clue what you mean by ‘the whole thing’. Do you mean that in the context of this thread? Your posting over the past several days?

No, dude. I’m asking you - because you seem to have appointed yourself the board etiquette police here - and have jumped on nearly every single post I’ve posted, looking for something - anything - to fault, and as you’ve seen fit to put yourself in the middle of something that didn’t even concern you in the 1st place, I really want to know if you have even the faintest idea what started this whole thing between me and Walter?

Because, if you don’t, you have no business passing judgement. (You have no business passing judgement anyway, but if you don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to the origins of this argument, then you’re seriously out of order.

744 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:16:11am
745 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:16:42am

re: #743 Sigma_x

How can you start a post telling me I’m the etiquette police and then spend the entire piece telling me I’m violating etiquette? Does it even register with you that that’s what you’re doing?

Walter cursed at you a lot. He does that. He likes picking fights with people, which is why I generally ignore him or tell him he’s being silly. You fought back. Included in what you said was what amounted to a threat that if Walter said that to you in person, you’d have punched him in the face— though you phrased it in a passive, weak-ass manner.

I am asking you whether you really do punch people in the face when they say “Fuck you, dickhead” to you, or, if you don’t, why you told Walter that someone would punch him in the face for saying that in real life.

I’ve also given a few of your posts updings when they deserved them, and I agreed with all of your points in one post other than the one you were factually wrong about, and I provided you, quickly, with evidence that you were factually wrong.

746 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:18:30am

re: #744 Sigma_x

But just to shut you up, it depends -
…

But if it were a guy my age, and my size or bigger, looking for trouble, and he came up out of nowhere and said, “Fuck you, dickhead” to me, chances are that, yes, I would make his eyes all puffy. Because that’s how I was raised.

If it somehow offends your delicate sensibilities, oh well.

It offends the sensibilities of the actual laws of our country, not to mention common decency and common sense. You can’t punch someone for saying something mean to you. That’s stupid, juvenile, thuggish, and criminal.

747 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:23:30am

re: #745 Obdicut

So, you can’t answer the question, can you? You really have no idea what started the argument between Walter and I? And yet, without having all the facts, you jumped all over me saying how out of line I was (I’m paraphrasing here, you actually said things much more insulting.)

I waited a long time to be able to register, and you have thus far gone out of your way to make my experience here very unpleasant. I feel like I’ve had to spend more than half my time explaining myself to you, in some demented effort to try and gain your approval (why, I don’t know. Because I really couldn’t give a fuck either way; I was just trying to be polite.)

I find it weird. I find you weird. I would really appreciate it, if you find my comments distasteful or offensive in any way, to just pass them over and ignore them. As I will try and do with your comments from now on.

Now good day to you, sir.

(P.S. Incidentally, it wouldn’t be the 1st time I’ve been referred to as “stupid, thuggish, juvenile and criminal,.. and I’m pretty sure it won’t be the last time, either.)

748 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:25:58am

re: #732 McSpiff

We’re getting trolled. I’m calling it now.

I’m beginning to believe it.

re: #737 Sigma_x

Clearly, you and I differ greatly in our perception of what constitutes “trolling.”

I’d appreciate it if you could provide just one example of my being a troll.

Just one.

You asked Obdi the same thing earlier, for one example of you being rude and insulting.
He provided it.
You dismissed it.

It’s hard to know what you really want, here.

749 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:26:31am

re: #747 Sigma_x

No, I’m not going to ignore your comments.

I don’t think you want a pleasant experience, either.

You have a very odd way of trying to be polite, as well.

If you don’t understand that punching someone in the face for being insulting really, really is thuggish and criminal, I can’t do much about that.

750 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:32:35am

re: #748 reine.de.tout

You asked Obdi the same thing earlier, for one example of you being rude and insulting.
He provided it.
You dismissed it.

It’s hard to know what you really want, here.

No, what Obdi provided was a post in which I asked him (in a joking manner, but he never seemed to have grasped that, even now - 3 days later) if he was on acid.

That’s rude and insulting? But someone calling me a douche, a dickhead, stupid, a jerk, saing, “Fuck you” to me, isn’t?!

You’d have to be kinda thin-skinned and easily offended to find someone asking if you’re on acid “rude and insulting.” Especially when you take into consideration some of the things that are said around here.

751 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:43:11am

re: #750 Sigma_x

If you’re the kind of person who thinks it’s somehow okay to punch people in the face for saying “Fuck you, dickhead,” to you, then yes, you and I have deeply different interpretations of what’s rude and insulting. Your view seems to be completely schizophrenic, given that you think one shouldn’t take offense at ‘you sound like you’re on acid’ but ‘fuck you, dickhead’ gets a punch in the face.

752 Boogberg  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:48:03am

Please God, make it stop.

753 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:48:21am

re: #751 Obdicut

Be that as it may, you still never bothered answering my question as to the root cause behind of the argument between me and Walter. You can’t answer it because you don’t know - you just jumped in the middle of an argument with half the facts at your disposal, acting like you knew what you were talking about.

And I find it obscenely hypocritical of you to not have one negative thing to say about Walter cursing at me first. Shit, you have nothing to say about it at all.

I’m through arguing with you. Seriously. Get a life, dude.

754 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:49:54am

re: #753 Sigma_x

Be that as it may, you still never bothered answering my question as to the root cause behind of the argument between me and Walter.


The root cause is you both like to fight.

And I find it obscenely hypocritical of you to not have one negative thing to say about Walter cursing at me first. Shit, you have nothing to say about it at all.

Except what I did say about it, of course. Not to mention I don’t give a shit if you curse at people. Feel free. Just don’t expect to both curse at people and claim that you’re being dogpiled on.

I’m through arguing with you. Seriously. Get a life, dude.

Oh, if I had a dollar for every time someone on this blog told me they were done arguing with me.

755 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:50:23am

re: #750 Sigma_x

Every thread you’re on turns into a “sigma_X” thread where you ask questions, receive courteous answers and guidance and advice, which you immediately ingore in order to home in on the responses to your own rudeness.

See a pattern here?

756 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:51:00am

ingore = ignore.
PIMF

757 Sigma_x  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:53:25am

re: #755 reine.de.tout

Every thread you’re on turns into a “sigma_X” thread where you ask questions, receive courteous answers and guidance and advice, which you immediately ingore in order to home in on the responses to your own rudeness.

See a pattern here?

Oh, really? The only instance of rudeness on my part that could be dug up - prior to today - was that I asked if Obdi was “on acid.”

And yet, in the short time I’ve been here, I’ve been thus far called a jerk, a douche, an asshole, stupid, been told, “Fuck you, dickhead” and a host of other, obnoxious things.

And yet no one has anything to say about it. I’m the one who’s rude. I’m the one who’s insulting.

Just like no one will have anything to say about this, either.

758 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:56:54am

re: #757 Sigma_x

A lot of people have been rude and insulting to you.

That doesn’t mean that you haven’t also been rude and insulting.

Furthermore, I haven’t cursed at you, or been really the least bit rude to you, and yet your attitude towards me is really no different than to those who have. Why is that?

759 RurouniKenshin  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:36:07pm

Thanks for posting the links, Charles.

I’m actually one of the small team that works on Kindle for PC and Mac. We continue to work hard on improving both apps and adding needed features, and welcome people’s input (via the Send Feedback functionality in the app itself).


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