Andrew Breitbart and the Argument from Ignorance

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As we noted last month, Andrew Breitbart has been claiming that Reps. John Lewis, Andre Carson, and Emanuel Cleaver lied about hearing the ‘N’ word screamed at them by Tea Party protesters. This claim has been picked up by numerous wingnut bloggers, and I’ve received at least a dozen hate mails ranting about how I should “correct the record” and “retract the story” about this incident.

Breitbart’s “evidence” for accusing the three black congressmen of lying is a 48-second video he posted at his website, showing Lewis, Carson, and others leaving the Capitol while protesters booed. He says that since the audio track of this video didn’t capture any racial slurs, it’s evidence that the congressmen fabricated their story in order to accuse the tea partiers of racism.

This is a perfect example of a logical fallacy known as an “argument from ignorance,” taken to a wingnut extreme. It says that the lack of evidence (in this one video) that the ‘N’ word was shouted proves that the congressmen are lying.

Breitbart also makes the assumption that all three congressmen are in on a scheme to smear the tea partiers with a lie, which is another type of assumption altogether.

And now it turns out that the video posted by Breitbart was shot at least an hour after the ‘N’ word incidents occurred.

Breitbart posted two columns on his Web site saying the claims were fabricated. Both led with a 48-second YouTube video showing Lewis, Carson, other Congressional Black Caucus members and staffers leaving the Capitol. Some of the group were videotaping the booing crowd.

Breitbart asked why the epithet was not captured by the black lawmakers’ cameras, and why nobody reacted as if they had heard the slur. He also questioned whether the epithets could have been shouted by liberals planted in the crowd.

But the 48-second video was shot as the group was leaving the Capitol — at least one hour after Lewis, D-Ga., and Carson walked to the Capitol, which is when they said the slurs were used.

Questioned about using a video on his Web site from the wrong moment, Breitbart stood by his claim that the lawmakers were lying. “I’m not saying the video was conclusive proof,” he said.

(Hat tip: RWC.)

UPDATE at 4/13/10 12:06:18 pm:

Andrew tweets:

@lizardoid When did you become an agitprop goon? im asking for ANY EVIDENCE the event occurred. Not claiming that video is proof it didn’t.

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1313 comments
1 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:54:48am

Lets remember the kind of man Rep Lewis is:

“John Lewis and SNCC had reason to be angry. John had been beaten bloody by a white mob in Montgomery as a Freedom Rider in the spring of 1961. The federal government had trusted the notoriously racist Alabama police to protect the Riders, but did nothing itself, except to have FBI agents take notes.

In February 2009, forty-eight years after he had been bloodied by the Ku Klux Klan during civil rights marches, Lewis received an apology on national television from a white southerner, former Klansman Elwin Wilson.

“I’m so sorry about what happened back then,” Wilson said breathlessly. “It’s OK. I forgive you,” Lewis responded.

(On national television, both men recalled the incident.) “[I remember] going directly to the Greyhound bus station,” Lewis said. “We tried to enter a so-called ‘white’ waiting room and the moment we started through the door, a group of young men attacked us.” Wilson was in the group, but said he “did more than help.” He said he was the main attacker. The outburst, Wilson said, was just part of a life of hate he led for years. “I had a black baby doll in this house, and I had a little rope, and I tied it to a limb and let it hang here,” he said.

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder if Brietbart is going to try to do an expose that Lewis was never really beaten by the Klan, either.

2 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:54:53am

Douchebaggery on an epic scale.

3 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:55:08am

Of course if he was telling the truth he might have answered “I’m not saying the video has anything to do with what I’m saying. I’M A CUCKOO BIRD I EAT MY OWN TIE!”

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:56:02am

Now he’ll play it backwards so it will look like they’re walking into the Capitol. He thinks we’re that dumb.

5 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:58:06am

Pulled from what I said in another thread on this subject:

Quote from Breitbart: “It didn’t happen”… and he says that without having been there. He’s willing to make a large scale assumption about actual events that occurred in reality without having been there. He’s willing to flatly call Lewis a liar, and several other witnesses who actually were there. Not “perhaps they misheard in the crowd noise” but rather “It Didn’t Happen”.

Breitbart considers himself capable of recreating reality to fit his political desires, bad enough for any political operative or pundit, but absolutely disastrous and terrible for anyone daring to claim they are a journalist.

6 TheGuy  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:58:11am

You would think Breitbart was still smarting from his spanking on Maddow’s show.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:58:18am

Oh Shit! Drudge, front page, above the fold… BOW TO CHINA.

Will this horseshit ever end?

8 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:58:24am

Thank you Charles!
Appreciate the HT
I owed this one after my worst post ever some days ago.

9 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:58:26am

“There’s another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn’t exist.”

Donald Rumsfeld

10 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:59:05am

From the article:

Stung by Defensive as all hell about the charges of racism, and wanting to get more publicity out of it, conservatives and tea party activists insist it never happened.

…with a little editing by…me.

11 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:59:28am

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now he’ll play it backwards so it will look like they’re walking into the Capitol. He thinks we’re that dumb.

I just played the audio backwards..it says… ” I buried Paul..” hmmpf, go figure..

12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 9:59:56am

re: #11 Spider Mensch

I just played the audio backwards..it says… ” I buried Paul..” hmmpf, go figure..

Screwed up my needle, that.

13 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:00:09am

re: #9 ralphieboy

“There’s another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn’t exist.”

Donald Rumsfeld

known unknown

Youtube Video

14 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:02:28am

Breitbart release new video of Congressman inciting a crowd to riot:

Youtube Video

15 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:02:57am

Breitbart’s went to “Anything to manufacture a story” mode about 2.5 yrs ago during the election cycle. He’s never been able to escape that wingnut hole event horizon since. It’s all spin all the time.

16 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:03:42am

It aint proof that it didn’t happen,,,, and a bunch of people (who were not there) saying it did does not prove it happen.

Does anyone have Reps. John Lewis on the record saying it happened? Not someone else saying he said it did, but the actual people saying it happened to them.

17 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:03:54am

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now he’ll play it backwards so it will look like they’re walking into the Capitol. He thinks we’re that dumb.

I don’t think he cares about what we think at all. His niche crowd, on the other hand, through sheer stupidity or willful ignorance, would eat it up. Anyone caught in the middle will just be surrounded by more FUD noise.

18 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:05:10am

re: #16 Buck

Yes.

Where the hell do you think the story came from?

news.yahoo.com

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:05:33am

Oh, crap.

20 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:05:53am

Oh, I dunno. I read in the comments here that all it amounts to is accusation and isn’t hardly worth discussing, because, you know, people are really mad. And, by chance, if it did happen, it could have been an Agent Provocateur. And if it wasn’t the AP, then it most likely one of those Unicorns with speaking abilities.

21 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:07:05am

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap.

Indeed, that ain’t gonna end well….

22 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:07:19am

re: #16 Buck

Ah, shit, all I had to do was wait 11 seconds….

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:07:35am

Gotta love it. According to Breitbart people being called racial and derogatory names never happened but two idiots in bad clothing got ACORN to help them setup a prostitutio ring.

24 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:07:44am

we do have the video where

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, released a statement late Saturday saying he too was called the “N” word as he walked to the Capitol for a vote and that he was spat on by one protestor who was arrested by U.S. Capitol Police. Cleaver declined to press charges against the man, the statement said.

But the “N” word was not used.

25 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:07:44am

re: #18 Obdicut

It floated out on the farts of the Buddha.

26 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:07:57am

re: #16 Buck

It aint proof that it didn’t happen,,, and a bunch of people (who were not there) saying it did does not prove it happen.

Does anyone have Reps. John Lewis on the record saying it happened? Not someone else saying he said it did, but the actual people saying it happened to them.

So Buck, why do you feel the need to lie about this event? Care to explain? See Below:

“They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

Lewis said he was leaving the Cannon office building across from the Capitol when protesters shouted “Kill the bill, kill the bill,” Lewis said.

“I said ‘I’m for the bill, I support the bill, I’m voting for the bill’,” Lewis said.

A colleague who was accompanying Lewis said people in the crowd responded by saying “Kill the bill, then the n-word.”

“It surprised me that people are so mean and we can’t engage in a civil dialogue and debate,” Lewis said.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver , D- Mo. , said he was a few yards behind Lewis and distinctly heard “n*****.”

“It was a chorus,” Cleaver said. “In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff - they’re being whipped up. I decided I wouldn’t be angry with any of them.”

27 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:09:03am

re: #9 ralphieboy

“There’s another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn’t exist.”

Donald Rumsfeld

This still, years later, amazes me that anybody could be that willfully stupid. The impossibility of proving a negative was drilled into my head starting around fourth grade. Did Rumsfeld not have parents? Did he never attend even the most basic schooling?

The constellation of logical fallacies (such as arguing from ignorance) should be a mandatory part of every child’s education, starting at a very young age, imo. I don’t care if you are home schooled, you should have to be able to identify fundamental logical errors to get a diploma or GED, without exceptions.

Of course, that would mean 90% of the US would never have passed high school, but then, I’m a curmudgeon that way.

28 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:09:25am

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap.

That was a fairly unimpressive conspiracy theory. It lacked a certain pizazz. Maybe if we add some lizard people?

29 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:09:26am

Another racist intercom stunt lands a stupid kid in hot water:

Teen charged after saying ‘All blacks leave the store’ on Whole Foods intercom

EDGEWATER, N.J. — Police in northern New Jersey say a 14-year-old girl grabbed a supermarket microphone and announced, “All blacks leave the store.”

The case is similar to what happened on two occasions at a Gloucester County Wal-Mart.

In the latest incident, Edgewater police say they were called after the girl made the announcement over the Whole Foods Market’s public-address system at the courtesy desk on Saturday afternoon.

The girl, whose name was not released because of her age, is charged with bias intimidation and harassment.

In the Wal-Mart incidents, a 16-year-old Atlantic County boy faces the same charges after police said he ordered all blacks to leave the Washington Township store on March 14 and just after Christmas.

Actually, these charges smell a lot like thought crime to me. Disorderly conduct and disrupting the operation of a business might be more appropriate, since an incident like this almost certainly causes a financial loss and possibly a permanent loss of business.
Though intending sarcasm,a freeper who addressed the issue might actually have had the best response:

A 14 year old girl?

What are they going to spank her and send her to her room without supper?

30 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:09:28am

re: #18 Obdicut

Yes.

Where the hell do you think the story came from?

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Actually, from the article you linked to, he said this:

“They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”
Lewis said he was leaving the Cannon office building across from the Capitol when protesters shouted “Kill the bill, kill the bill,” Lewis said.
“I said ‘I’m for the bill, I support the bill, I’m voting for the bill’,” Lewis said.

No where there, or anywhere else do we seem to have Lewis say that the “N” word was used.

31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:09:33am

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It’s a Daily Mail article, so treat it as full as fail.

From what I can read it, it’s an accusation that telling them it was dangerous to land and to divert several times shows that they tried to make them crash— which doesn’t make much sense. If they had diverted, they wouldn’t have crashed.

32 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:10:43am

re: #24 Buck

we do have the video where

But the “N” word was not used.

Really? So you are also assuming that if it isn’t on tape, it didn’t happen? I’ll take lewis’ word any day over the word of a man who wasn’t there, but SWEARS he knows what didn’t happen.

33 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:10:50am

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap.

The story I read was it was pilot error. He kept trying to land in the fog even after being told to not try several times. Had the Russians agreed to letting him land under those conditions, they may have been guilty of being reckless.

34 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:11:18am

re: #24 Buck

What the fuck are you talking about?
re: #30 Buck


And what you asked was:

Not someone else saying he said it did, but the actual people saying it happened to them.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver a real person it happened to.

35 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:11:32am

re: #26 Thanos

I don’t think Lewis is lying….

I don’t think he has said the “N” word was used.

Shouting “Kill the Bill” and “Boooo”… for sure.

BUT this is about racism. Is “shouting, sort of harassing” racism?

36 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:11:40am

re: #24 Buck

we do have the video where

But the “N” word was not used.

And you know that how ???

37 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:12:13am

re: #32 Fozzie Bear

Really? So you are also assuming that if it isn’t on tape, it didn’t happen? I’ll take lewis’ word any day over the word of a man who wasn’t there, but SWEARS he knows what didn’t happen.

OK, I ask again…. do you have Lewis on record saying that the “N” word was used?

38 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:12:14am

re: #30 Buck

But Emanuel Cleaver heard it and the story states that, a colleague of Lewis’ heard it and the story states that. Other stories state that a CNN reporter also heard it. You are trying to gainsay three people who were actually there while you are totally ignorant of what transpired, because JUST LIKE BREITBART you weren’t there but you are willing to call people liars. That’s why I returned the favor upthread ya liar.

39 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:12:32am

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

…years later, amazes me that anybody could be that willfully stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does.

OR to put in in Tropic of Thunder terms:
“In a weird way I had to sort of just free myself up to believe that is was ok to be stupid or dumb. “

40 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:12:35am

re: #36 avanti

And you know that how ???

The video.

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41 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:13:12am

re: #35 Buck

So do you think Emanuel Cleaver is lying?

42 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:13:37am

re: #37 Buck

OK, I ask again… do you have Lewis on record saying that the “N” word was used?

Somebody already sent you a link to him saying it.

But that’s not Obama’s real birth certificate, it’s only a certificate of live birth!

43 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:13:47am

re: #35 Buck

I don’t think Lewis is lying…

I don’t think he has said the “N” word was used.

Shouting “Kill the Bill” and “Booo”… for sure.

BUT this is about racism. Is “shouting, sort of harassing” racism?

Do you think Cleaver is lying?

Do you think Carson is lying?

Do you think Lewis’s spokeswoman is lying?

44 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:13:57am

re: #41 Thanos

So do you think Emanuel Cleaver is lying?

You do know he was french kissing that man he claims spit on him.

45 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:13:59am

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

Intercom phones are turned in at night and if there is only one employee assigned to that department, no phone is issued due to the fact that it may be unattended for a large stretch of time. And yes, it’s a pain trying to track down someone to help customers.

46 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:14:05am

re: #35 Buck

I don’t think Lewis is lying…

I don’t think he has said the “N” word was used.

Shouting “Kill the Bill” and “Booo”… for sure.

BUT this is about racism. Is “shouting, sort of harassing” racism?

If they are yelling the N-bomb at a black guy, yeah, that’s pretty clearly racism.

47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:14:10am

And, Buck:

House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D- S.C. , said Saturday’s ugliness underscored for him that the health care overhaul isn’t the only motivation for many protesters.

“I heard people saying things today I’ve not heard since March 15th, 1960 , when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus,” Clyburn said. “This is incredible, shocking to me.”

Of course, he didn’t specifically say he was called “N*****” so it doesn’t count, right?

48 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:15:03am

re: #37 Buck

You need to step back and take your morality pill. You are defending racism vis a vis denial. (probably based on your reading of right wing blogs)

49 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:15:07am

re: #30 Buck

No where there, or anywhere else do we seem to have Lewis say that the “N” word was used.

“Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”

50 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:15:47am

re: #39 Jeff In Ohio

Stupid is as stupid does.

OR to put in in Tropic of Thunder terms:
“In a weird way I had to sort of just free myself up to believe that is was ok to be stupid or dumb. “

You NEVER go full retard.

51 Stonemason  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:15:52am

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

I think you and Don agree, you might want to read his quote again. It says that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, or, in other words, one can not prove a negative.

Much like the absence of the ability to re-create the big bang is not evidence that the big bang did not occur.

Or the other side, the absence of proof of a higher being does not mean that higher being does not exist.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:17:28am

re: #23 Dreggas

Gotta love it. According to Breitbart people being called racial and derogatory names never happened but two idiots in bad clothing got ACORN to help them setup a prostitutio ring.

It all comes down to who you’re going to believe. Rep. Lewis, or a twentysomething brat in a pimp costume?

53 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:17:53am

Sheesh! Megyn Kelly is carrying on about plans to “infiltrate and embarrass the tea party movement.” She’s cute when she’s angry, which is most of the time.

54 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:18:56am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Like they need any help embarrassing themselves.

55 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:18:58am

re: #51 Stonemason

I think you and Don agree, you might want to read his quote again. It says that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, or, in other words, one can not prove a negative.

Much like the absence of the ability to re-create the big bang is not evidence that the big bang did not occur.

Or the other side, the absence of proof of a higher being does not mean that higher being does not exist.


Well, this may be true, but considering that Rumsfeld was actually making an argument from ignorance in the context of continuing an action which he had yet to establish was warranted in the first place, I see things differently.

Rumsfeld either:
A: Really is mentally disabled, or,
B: Was deliberately obfuscating using bullshit argumentation in order to create logical cover for an action he had JUST admitted was logically unwarranted, 5 seconds earlier.

56 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:19:05am

re: #47 Obdicut

And, Buck:

Of course, he didn’t specifically say he was called “N***” so it doesn’t count, right?

Well, words from the 1960s could cover a whole lot of terms, right? All that hip slang Daddy-O.

57 Stonemason  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:19:15am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! Megyn Kelly is carrying on about plans to “infiltrate and embarrass the tea party movement.” She’s cute when she’s angry, which is most of the time.

they don’t need to be infiltrated, just videoed, they take care of the embarrassing, racist, bigoted crap very well on their own.

58 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:19:27am

re: #37 Buck

OK, I ask again… do you have Lewis on record saying that the “N” word was used?

Others heard it, and: “Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”
So technically, he could have heard different slurs, and the others heard the “N” word, but you are grasping at straws.

59 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:20:31am

re: #16 Buck

It aint proof that it didn’t happen,,, and a bunch of people (who were not there) saying it did does not prove it happen.

Does anyone have Reps. John Lewis on the record saying it happened? Not someone else saying he said it did, but the actual people saying it happened to them.

Do you realize how crazy you sound?

60 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:20:46am

Outcrazying The Crazy: How A Prankster Plans To Infiltrate And Destroy The Tea Party Movement

“Our plan is not to shout them down,” Levin told me yesterday, “but to infiltrate them and push them farther from the mainstream.”

Why? Just why? It’s not necessary! *sighs*

61 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:20:58am

So, there is video of the slur being used? I saw all kinds of recording devices surely all the times it was yelled someone has it on video.

62 TheGuy  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:21:27am

BTW, should a person do some Manscaping before attempting to infiltrate a teabagger event?

63 martinsmithy  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:21:39am

I recently wrote on my facebook to a wingnut “friend” of mine, who reacted vitriolically when another one of my “friends” commented that the repulsion of the right to Obama was due to racism.

My response: If you can say to yourself that you would have been just as vitriolically opposed to President Hillary Clinton, or President Joe Biden, or (god forbid) President John Edwards, then you can probably accurately counter charges that you are a racist, because any of these individuals would have pursued the same general policies that President Barack Obama is pursuing. If you wouldn’t have been as opposed, then you should ask yourself “Why?” The probable answer is that you are a racist.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:21:49am

re: #35 Buck

I don’t think Lewis is lying…

I don’t think he has said the “N” word was used.

Shouting “Kill the Bill” and “Booo”… for sure.

BUT this is about racism. Is “shouting, sort of harassing” racism?

You’re being ridiculous. Numerous people at the event have said that the word was used. You’re now going to focus in on whether you can find a specific quote from one person where he says that the word was used, and act as though that’s some sort of proof.

65 Stonemason  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:21:53am

re: #55 Fozzie Bear

Hmmm?

Oh, I get it, his argument is okay, but the war was bad so he has a mental deficiency.

I don’t particularly care what he was arguing, he was simply stating that one can not prove a negative, like you did, but you called him an idiot for it, or questioned his parentage, or something like that.

66 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:21:57am

re: #58 avanti

Others heard it, and: “Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”
So technically, he could have heard different slurs, and the others heard the “N” word, but you are grasping at straws.

Could have been a bunch of hacked off dudes who were hep to the heavy mood at the Capital pad.

67 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:22:29am

re: #61 RogueOne

So, there is video of the slur being used? I saw all kinds of recording devices surely all the times it was yelled someone has it on video.

/facepalm x eleventy billion

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:22:56am

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap.

I didn’t post that because I believed it… I was just thinking… great… “Crashers, now there are going to be Crashers”.

69 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:23:18am

The funny thing is people (well Buck and Rogueone) using the exact faulty reasoning Charles used in the post title to claim it didn’t happen.

70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:23:34am

re: #61 RogueOne

Jesus christ, Rogue, not you too.

Why is it so fucking impossible to people for a black person to get called n***** during an incredibly heated political moment?

Why on earth do you not take the word of men who suffered fucking beatings at the hands of the Klu Klux Klan? And Cleaver didn’t even suppport Obama, he supported Hillary, during the primaries, and took a lot of heat from other blacks over that. Why the fuck would he join in on such a ‘conspiracy’?

Jesus, dude. Get perspective.

71 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:23:38am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! Megyn Kelly is carrying on about plans to “infiltrate and embarrass the tea party movement.” She’s cute when she’s angry, which is most of the time.

Regardless of the truth behind this plan, expect it to become a well hammered talking point. It’s perfect for dismissing any extremist signs, slogans or stooges as being agents of the Other Side. I’m frankly surprised it hasn’t been widely used yet.

72 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:23:53am

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn’t post that because I believed it… I was just thinking… great… “Crashers, now there are going to be Crashers”.

And/or assertions of crashers—whether they exist or not.

73 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:23:56am

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re being ridiculous. Numerous people at the event have said that the word was used. You’re now going to focus in on whether you can find a specific quote from one person where he says that the word was used, and act as though that’s some sort of proof.

But, but, but…. there’s no video!

Therefore it didn’t happen!

How can you not understand this?

74 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:24:11am

re: #65 Stonemason

Hmmm?

Oh, I get it, his argument is okay, but the war was bad so he has a mental deficiency.

I don’t particularly care what he was arguing, he was simply stating that one can not prove a negative, like you did, but you called him an idiot for it, or questioned his parentage, or something like that.

“We can’t prove he DOESN’T have WMD, so lets just assume he does and bomb the crap out of Iraq.”

Thats the meat of it. And yes, it is stupid. Monumentally so.

75 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:24:15am

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

If they are yelling the N-bomb at a black guy, yeah, that’s pretty clearly racism.

OK, that is fine… you just keep repeating that.

Look…. if people were chanting the “N” word… or calling it out for as long as you seem to think….don’t you think there would be SOME video? Some other witnesses? I am suspicious, yes. I think people pull the racism card out way too quick, and use it to broad brush label a group of people who are PEACEFULLY gathering to express opposition.

Ya… I think that for some people ANY harassment of African Americans becomes racist…. by default.

I also think that if you can’t prove it happened, then it should not be reported as fact. In the video that was taken an hour later, the representatives have people carrying cameras trying to catch a “racist” use the N word.

For you to consider…
Antiwar rallies during the Bush administration had huge signs of antisemitism, and anti “Americanism”… Every one… well documented… BUT you would not label everyone on the left as a disloyal american, or antisemitic.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:24:15am

re: #49 avanti

“Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”

See? He SAID it was OK. No problem!!

77 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:24:34am

re: #70 Obdicut

Rogue dropped the teleprompter meme last thread. He’s pretty far gone.

78 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:25:03am

re: #70 Obdicut

Its all part of the Democrat’s plot of race-baiting, which makes them the real racists.

Whites aren’t racist anymore.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:25:31am

re: #59 Sionainn

Do you realize how crazy you sound?

Not crazy, just really determined to rewrite reality to suit…something.

80 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:25:31am

re: #49 avanti

“Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”

Really?

Cause I have it as “They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

81 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:25:32am

re: #71 cenotaphium

Regardless of the truth behind this plan, expect it to become a well hammered talking point. It’s perfect for dismissing any extremist signs, slogans or stooges as being agents of the Other Side. I’m frankly surprised it hasn’t been widely used yet.

It’s pretty smart, when you think about it. It immunizes the entire movement from whatever kind of evil crap they want to say or do.

82 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:25:54am

re: #61 RogueOne

So, there is video of the slur being used? I saw all kinds of recording devices surely all the times it was yelled someone has it on video.

Your being naughty. Stop baiting the Proglodytes with juicy bits of wingy flesh.

83 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:25:56am

re: #63 martinsmithy

I recently wrote on my facebook to a wingnut “friend” of mine, who reacted vitriolically when another one of my “friends” commented that the repulsion of the right to Obama was due to racism.

My response: If you can say to yourself that you would have been just as vitriolically opposed to President Hillary Clinton, or President Joe Biden, or (god forbid) President John Edwards, then you can probably accurately counter charges that you are a racist, because any of these individuals would have pursued the same general policies that President Barack Obama is pursuing. If you wouldn’t have been as opposed, then you should ask yourself “Why?” The probable answer is that you are a racist.

Sorry, I think it’s just absolutely nuts that before I can escape being labelled a racist, I must first prove that I would be opposed to any of the people named IF they happened to pursue the same general policies that the President has pursued.

I can perfectly well be opposed to a policy just by itself, without being opposed to any individual person.

84 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:26:15am

Wow. Breitbart is such a freaky little rageball. And his racism gets more obvious every time he opens his mouth.

85 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:26:19am

re: #61 RogueOne

So, there is video of the slur being used? I saw all kinds of recording devices surely all the times it was yelled someone has it on video.

So you are implying that several congressmen and onlookers conspired to lie in order to embarrass the tea parties who have never shown any racial prejudices prior to this event ?

86 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:26:28am

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, I’ll admit that it was the first thing I thought. Russian fucking killed a dude using polonium, it’s not very bizarre to think of engineering a plane crash. However, it really doesn’t seem to be the case here.

87 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:26:30am

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Rogue dropped the teleprompter meme last thread. He’s pretty far gone.

Clearly teleprompters are a sign of… something bad.

Image: reagan-parliament3.jpg

88 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:27:13am

re: #78 windsagio

Wasn’t that the point Breitbart was trying to get across?

89 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:27:23am

re: #75 Buck

In the second video here at about two minutes in, Dana Bash, Reporter from CNN confirms that Lewis reported to them that the N word was used.

90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:27:55am

re: #89 Thanos

Thanks for doing the legwork for that, Thanos, not that I expect it’ll make much of an impression.

91 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:27:55am

re: #87 JasonA

Clearly teleprompters are a sign of… something bad.

Image: reagan-parliament3.jpg

dailytelegraph.com.au

92 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:28:18am

re: #61 RogueOne

So, there is video of the slur being used? I saw all kinds of recording devices surely all the times it was yelled someone has it on video.

Yes I’m sure with all the other shouting going on it was easy to pick out one individual racist slur!

93 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:28:20am

re: #75 Buck

OK, that is fine… you just keep repeating that.

Look… if people were chanting the “N” word… or calling it out for as long as you seem to think…don’t you think there would be SOME video? Some other witnesses? I am suspicious, yes. I think people pull the racism card out way too quick, and use it to broad brush label a group of people who are PEACEFULLY gathering to express opposition.

Ya… I think that for some people ANY harassment of African Americans becomes racist… by default.

I also think that if you can’t prove it happened, then it should not be reported as fact. In the video that was taken an hour later, the representatives have people carrying cameras trying to catch a “racist” use the N word.

For you to consider…
Antiwar rallies during the Bush administration had huge signs of antisemitism, and anti “Americanism”… Every one… well documented… BUT you would not label everyone on the left as a disloyal american, or antisemitic.

No one said anything about chanting or that it was being called out over and over.

94 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:28:29am

Woops I meant the link to be outside the blockquote. Ahh well.

95 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:28:53am

re: #87 JasonA

Teleprompters disguised as Beefeaters? //

96 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:29:04am

re: #88 badger1970

Yes, yes it was.

97 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:29:28am

re: #95 badger1970

Teleprompters disguised as Beefeaters? //

My God! Its all so clear now!

98 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:29:59am

re: #95 badger1970

Teleprompters disguised as Beefeaters? //

Now that you mention it, I’m not sure I like seeing the President flanked by men with partisans.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:30:33am

re: #98 JasonA

Now that you mention it, I’m not sure I like seeing the President flanked by men with partisans.

HASSAN CHOP!

100 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:30:36am

re: #90 Obdicut

Thanks for doing the legwork for that, Thanos, not that I expect it’ll make much of an impression.

Nope, Buck’s purpose in life is to obfuscate on any thread or subject having to do with race. He seems obsessed by it.

101 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:30:49am

re: #92 jamesfirecat

Yes I’m sure with all the other shouting going on it was easy to pick out one individual racist slur!

I agree, it probably wasn’t easy to hear at all. Good point.

102 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:12am

re: #89 Thanos

In the second video here at about two minutes in, Dana Bash, Reporter from CNN confirms that Lewis reported to them that the N word was used.

Yes, but please understand… “Not someone else saying he said it did”

I just think it is suspicious.

103 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:26am

re: #75 Buck

I also think that if you can’t prove it happened, then it should not be reported as fact.

Pretty high standard. Four men should not report what they heard because they did not catch it on any recording device.

104 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:38am

Terror warning:

Israel tells citizens to leave Sinai Immediately

JERUSALEM - Israel issued an “urgent” warning Tuesday to its citizens to leave Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula immediately citing “concrete evidence of an expected terrorist attempt to kidnap Israelis in Sinai.”

The statement from the Israeli prime minister’s anti-terror office took the unusual step of calling on families of Israelis visiting the Sinai to establish contact with them.

Israel’s anti-terror office has a standing travel advisory telling Israelis to stay out of the Sinai desert because of the threat of terror attacks. However, thousands of Israelis routinely ignore the warning and vacation in the desert and along its Red Sea coast.

105 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:41am

re: #63 martinsmithy

I recently wrote on my facebook to a wingnut “friend” of mine, who reacted vitriolically when another one of my “friends” commented that the repulsion of the right to Obama was due to racism.

My response: If you can say to yourself that you would have been just as vitriolically opposed to President Hillary Clinton, or President Joe Biden, or (god forbid) President John Edwards, then you can probably accurately counter charges that you are a racist, because any of these individuals would have pursued the same general policies that President Barack Obama is pursuing. If you wouldn’t have been as opposed, then you should ask yourself “Why?” The probable answer is that you are a racist.

And really - where is this coming from , that people are assumed to be racist until they’ve proved to your satisfaction, by some test you’ve devised, that they aren’t?

Sorry folks, this has gotten on my bad side, I’ll take a break.

106 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:49am

re: #102 Buck

there you go, rooollll it back!

107 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:53am

re: #75 Buck

OK, that is fine… you just keep repeating that.

Look… if people were chanting the “N” word… or calling it out for as long as you seem to think…don’t you think there would be SOME video? Some other witnesses? I am suspicious, yes. I think people pull the racism card out way too quick, and use it to broad brush label a group of people who are PEACEFULLY gathering to express opposition.

Ya… I think that for some people ANY harassment of African Americans becomes racist… by default.

I also think that if you can’t prove it happened, then it should not be reported as fact. In the video that was taken an hour later, the representatives have people carrying cameras trying to catch a “racist” use the N word.

For you to consider…
Antiwar rallies during the Bush administration had huge signs of antisemitism, and anti “Americanism”… Every one… well documented… BUT you would not label everyone on the left as a disloyal american, or antisemitic.

No I wouldn’t. No is anyone here trying to label everyone on the right as racist.

The point —-> (This way)

Your current course

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108 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:31:58am

re: #102 Buck

Yes, but please understand… “Not someone else saying he said it did”

I just think it is suspicious.

Buck, you seem awfully invested in this not being true.

What’s up with that?

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:32:37am

re: #75 Buck

OK, that is fine… you just keep repeating that.

Look… if people were chanting the “N” word… or calling it out for as long as you seem to think…don’t you think there would be SOME video? Some other witnesses? I am suspicious, yes. I think people pull the racism card out way too quick, and use it to broad brush label a group of people who are PEACEFULLY gathering to express opposition.

Ya… I think that for some people ANY harassment of African Americans becomes racist… by default.

I also think that if you can’t prove it happened, then it should not be reported as fact. In the video that was taken an hour later, the representatives have people carrying cameras trying to catch a “racist” use the N word.

For you to consider…
Antiwar rallies during the Bush administration had huge signs of antisemitism, and anti “Americanism”… Every one… well documented… BUT you would not label everyone on the left as a disloyal american, or antisemitic.

1. You’re a moron. You’ve decided, apparently, that eyewitness accounts are not good enough if they describe something you don’t want to believe happened.

2. Your last paragraph cuts to the heart of the matter—you’re resisting this because you imagine that somehow this casts a bad light on the movement it came out of. Well, it does. Just like the signs you describe, and just like the signs at the Tea Parties.

It would have cast far less of a bad light if Tea Party leaders and participants had spoken out immediately against such behavior, but instead they circled the wagons.

Now, I am happy to believe that the average anti-HCR protester is not a racist, but all the evidence points to the fact that there were some quite outspoken racists standing in front of the Capitol that fine day. Pretending that didn’t happen, and slurring the Representatives, instead of deploring it and moving on, makes you seem like a partisan, petty idiot.

110 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:33:04am

re: #100 Thanos

Nope, Buck’s purpose in life is to obfuscate on any thread or subject having to do with race. He seems obsessed by it.

And there is a perfect demo of how any opposing view must be minimized. And how the best way to do that is personal attacks, and not on the merit.

111 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:33:42am

re: #59 Sionainn

Do you realize how crazy you sound?

I am gonna guess the answer is no.

112 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:34:01am

re: #110 Buck

I suspect people are just suspicious of your deep dishonesty on the subject, not of opposing views >>

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:34:10am

re: #80 Buck

Really?

Cause I have it as “They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

Jesus Christ. One quote means another quote was never said? Can you use Google, maybe?

114 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:34:11am

re: #110 Buck

And there is a perfect demo of how any opposing view must be minimized. And how the best way to do that is personal attacks, and not on the merit.

You ignore attacks on the merit.

115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:34:18am

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

I hope people listen.

116 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:34:47am

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

heh, I thought you said ‘sue google’, and I was like ‘The Fuck?’

117 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:35:12am

re: #110 Buck

And there is a perfect demo of how any opposing view must be minimized. And how the best way to do that is personal attacks, and not on the merit.


No, I just wanted to throw you that bone so you could feel your white victimhood. That’s what it’s all about. You are going to try to imply that when you try to downplay racism that you aren’t a racist and that anyone indicating that is therefor bullying you. We get it.

118 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:35:23am

re: #114 wrenchwench

You ignore attacks on the merit.

I ignored nothing. I just pointed out this personal attack…

119 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:35:33am

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

I agree, it probably wasn’t easy to hear at all. Good point.

Wow… I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or mocking the idea that the Democratic Senator could have heard the racist slur he claims to have heard.

(So golf clap of one who is quite impressed)

120 mojopundit  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:35:33am

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

121 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:35:37am

re: #102 Buck

Yes, but please understand… “Not someone else saying he said it did”

I just think it is suspicious.

I would agree that any claim should be backed up with as much evidence as possible. However, the questions you had at the beginning of the thread were answered, unless I’m reading something very wrong. He was on record, there were corroborating witnesses.

What is your current confusion? It seems like you’ve passed the point of reasonable skepticism to simply saying that the group involved in hearing this is either unreliable in their recollection or just lying?

122 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:36:00am

re: #37 Buck

OK, I ask again… do you have Lewis on record saying that the “N” word was used?

thehill.com

Specifically this: “Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”“

123 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:36:15am

For Breitbart and other wingnuts generally, nothing counts as evidence of racism except the statement “I am a racist and I love Hitler and I’m not being ironic or anything when I say this”.

124 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:36:19am

re: #118 Buck

I ignored nothing. I just pointed out this personal attack…

#43 and #103.

125 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:36:26am

re: #105 reine.de.tout

It’s just one comment by one guy, Reine, and it actually uses an argument from ignorance itself. Don’t let it get to you. I know there are plenty of completely non-racist people, like you and DF, who have adamant— even if I believe they’re mistaken— ideological reasons for opposing some of Obama’s policies.

Don’t let it get to you.

126 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:36:51am

re: #120 mojopundit

He promised he would donate 10 grand to the united negro college fund, not that he would give it to someone so there is no incentive for a tea-partier with video to turn it over.

127 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:36:56am

re: #119 jamesfirecat

Wow… I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or mocking the idea that the Democratic Senator could have heard the racist slur he claims to have heard.

[snip]

I would never mock you James.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:37:08am

re: #102 Buck

Yes, but please understand… “Not someone else saying he said it did”

I just think it is suspicious.

Why is it suspicious?

More precisely, if a Republican rep reported the same experience, would it be suspicious? If Sarah Palin reported sexual slurs yelled at her, would it be suspicious? Who do you have to be in your world to make a report of being verbally assaulted without being automatically disbelieved?

129 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:37:36am

re: #120 mojopundit

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

What rock did you crawl out from under?

mojopundit

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130 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:37:58am

re: #120 mojopundit

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

For that kind of money, some people would just make something up.

131 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:38:08am

re: #120 mojopundit

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

I want you to go outside, find the nearest enormous mob of screaming people, call a friend on your cell phone, hold your cell phone up, and ask the person on the other end of the phone call to identify what was said by the crowd.

I’ll wait here.

132 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:38:15am

re: #129 wrenchwench

It’s like finding that lost sock that fell behind the dryer.

133 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:38:43am

Rep. John Lewis’ word is golden in my book.

134 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:38:52am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

1. You’re a moron. You’ve decided, apparently, that eyewitness accounts are not good enough if they describe something you don’t want to believe happened.

Personal attack- ignored the rest of your point.

2. Your last paragraph cuts to the heart of the matter—you’re resisting this because you imagine that somehow this casts a bad light on the movement it came out of. Well, it does. Just like the signs you describe, and just like the signs at the Tea Parties.

It would have cast far less of a bad light if Tea Party leaders and participants had spoken out immediately against such behavior, but instead they circled the wagons.

Actually everyone spoke out against using the “N” word. However when zero evidence showed up, it just seemed suspicious. Pointing that out suddenly becomes racist.

135 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:39:04am

re: #120 mojopundit

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

Maybe we’re just not offering up enough money for those WMD’s Sadam had. I bet if we offered a bounty of a billion dollars surely someon should have been able to find one and for that kind of money anyone (even an arab) would provide us with evidence for that kind of money!

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:39:18am

re: #110 Buck

And there is a perfect demo of how any opposing view must be minimized. And how the best way to do that is personal attacks, and not on the merit.

‘Must be minimized’ by whom? Thanos? LGF? Tranzi progs?

Opposing views get aired here all the time. Sometimes pretty loudly.

137 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:39:27am

re: #134 Buck

Actually everyone spoke out against using the “N” word. However when zero evidence showed up, it just seemed suspicious. Pointing that out suddenly becomes racist.

Collaborated eye witness accounts are evidence.

138 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:39:43am

re: #131 Fozzie Bear

I want you to go outside, find the nearest enormous mob of screaming people, call a friend on your cell phone, hold your cell phone up, and ask the person on the other end of the phone call to identify what was said by the crowd.

I’ll wait here.

Rhubarb Rhubarb

139 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:39:46am

re: #134 Buck

You know, eyewitness testimony is evidence. It’s entered as evidence in trials every day.

Is there some reason you doubt the word of Rep. Lewis?

140 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:40:02am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

‘Must be minimized’ by whom? Thanos? LGF? Tranzi progs?

Opposing views get aired here all the time. Sometimes pretty loudly.

Wow, I thought you said ‘tranny progs’ at first there…

141 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:40:08am

re: #110 Buck

also!

Come crying to me next time you take on the crowd on Israel policy :P

142 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:40:36am

re: #140 JasonA

Wow, I thought you said ‘tranny progs’ at first there…

Some of my best friends are tranny progs.

143 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:40:50am

re: #120 mojopundit

Another sleeper has awoken in service to this noble cause!

144 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:40:59am

re: #75 Buck

i label you a dumb-ass.

145 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:41:01am

re: #137 Locker

Collaborated eye witness accounts are evidence.

Sorry, but I’ve seen more than a few episodes of CSI, so I know eye witnesses can’t be trusted. I’ll wait on the DNA evidence.

/

146 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:41:20am

re: #137 Locker

Collaborated Corroborated eye witness accounts are evidence.

FTFY

147 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:41:24am

re: #134 Buck

Actually everyone spoke out against using the “N” word. However when zero evidence showed up, it just seemed suspicious. Pointing that out suddenly becomes racist.

So we should take the words of members of an angry mob of those of a member of the Senate?

A member of the Senate who was an actual member of the civil rights movement?

148 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:42:05am

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry, but I’ve seen more than a few episodes of CSI, so I know eye witnesses can’t be trusted. I’ll wait on the DNA evidence.

/

Damn, he already wiped off the spit.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:42:07am

re: #122 Sionainn

[Link: thehill.com…]

Specifically this: “Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”“


Ah HA! But did he actually say explicitly that the actual N-word was used? They could have yelled a different racial epithet!

///

150 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:42:19am

Actually, I think someone in the crowd just mentioned that the Congressman was near. Its an honest mistake.

151 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:42:23am

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry, but I’ve seen more than a few episodes of CSI, so I know eye witnesses can’t be trusted. I’ll wait on the DNA evidence.

/

Hey, that crap really has had an effect on our justice system. en.wikipedia.org

152 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:42:28am

re: #84 Jimmah

Wow. Breitbart is such a freaky little rageball. And his racism gets more obvious every time he opens his mouth.

Pretty much this. It’s one thing to call someone a liar, but when there’s a mountain of witnesses and circumstantial evidence to the contrary, digging in on your assertion kind of makes your personal bias painfully obvious. I mean, we’re talking about a group who will scream and mockingly throw money at people with terminal illnesses, so it’s not like they’ve set some kind of bar in terms of class and/or tact.

153 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:42:39am

re: #83 reine.de.tout

Sorry, I think it’s just absolutely nuts that before I can escape being labelled a racist, I must first prove that I would be opposed to any of the people named IF they happened to pursue the same general policies that the President has pursued.

I can perfectly well be opposed to a policy just by itself, without being opposed to any individual person.

Indeed. Racism doesn’t camouflage itself very well…it’s not like a guide to finding the spotted warbler. People who see it everywhere they look have their own inner problems to conquer.

It’s nearly as contemptible to accuse others of it with such flimsy logic as it is to be racist. We’re not going to reduce racism if we don’t know how to spot it.

154 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:43:08am

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, I think someone in the crowd just mentioned that the Congressman was near. Its an honest mistake.

No he was saying “bigger” as in”this bill will make our debt BIGGER!”

155 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:43:19am

re: #105 reine.de.tout

And really - where is this coming from , that people are assumed to be racist until they’ve proved to your satisfaction, by some test you’ve devised, that they aren’t?

Sorry folks, this has gotten on my bad side, I’ll take a break.

don’t stop…i just logged on and i agree 100%!

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:43:57am

re: #132 Locker

It’s like finding that lost sock that fell behind the dryer.

Crusty and covered in lint? Yes.

157 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:44:15am

Clearly the people in the crowd were just misheard.

“This bill will make the government bigger!”
“These figures just don’t add up!”
“What about cost triggers?!?!”

///

158 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:44:19am

re: #147 jamesfirecat

So we should take the words of members of an angry mob of those of a member of the Senate?

A member of the Senate who was an actual member of the civil rights movement?

Right on. Charles Rangel was part of the civil rights movement, no one would questions his honesty.

159 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:44:47am

re: #144 zora

i label you a dumb-ass.

Tough but fair.

160 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:44:53am

re: #152 Nick Schroeder

Pretty much this. It’s one thing to call someone a liar, but when there’s a mountain of witnesses and circumstantial evidence to the contrary, digging in on your assertion kind of makes your personal bias painfully obvious. I mean, we’re talking about a group who will scream and mockingly throw money at people with terminal illnesses, so it’s not like they’ve set some kind of bar in terms of class and/or tact.

One quibble didn’t the guy who they threw money hat have Parkisons? Last time I checked that’s an incurable condition, but its not really a terminal illness is it?

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:44:56am

re: #134 Buck

Actually everyone spoke out against using the “N” word. However when zero evidence showed up, it just seemed suspicious. Pointing that out suddenly becomes racist.

Who spoke out, specifically? And don’t give me this nonsense about ‘suspicious’.

162 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:44:58am

re: #157 Fozzie Bear

Clearly the people in the crowd were just misheard.

“This bill will make the government bigger!”
“These figures just don’t add up!”
“What about cost triggers?!?!”

///

Without video I do not believe you.

163 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:45:05am

re: #80 Buck

Really?

Cause I have it as “They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

Oh, I get it now. It is simply impossible for Lewis to have made two separate statements.

164 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:45:31am

re: #146 garhighway

FTFY

Thank gawd for context. Preciate the fix.

165 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:45:49am

I am so sick of the argument/claim that a few isolated incidents are blown out of proportion to condemn everyone in it. How many incidents does it take to become not so isolated?

166 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:45:59am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

Right on. Charles Rangel was part of the civil rights movement, no one would questions his honesty.

Stupid comparison. Rangel has given people good cause to doubt his honesty. I don’t believe Lewis has.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:46:06am

re: #140 JasonA

Wow, I thought you said ‘tranny progs’ at first there…

It was something someone brought up on the overnight thread. I thought it was funny.

Tranny progs—now I actually know some tranny progs.

168 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:46:14am

re: #165 beekiller

I am so sick of the argument/claim that a few isolated incidents are blown out of proportion to condemn everyone in it. How many incidents does it take to become not so isolated?

5000

169 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:46:30am

re: #165 beekiller

I am so sick of the argument/claim that a few isolated incidents are blown out of proportion to condemn everyone in it. How many incidents does it take to become not so isolated?

One. From the left.

170 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:46:36am

re: #165 beekiller

I am so sick of the argument/claim that a few isolated incidents are blown out of proportion to condemn everyone in it. How many incidents does it take to become not so isolated?

N+1 incidents, where N is the current number of incidents.

171 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:46:46am

re: #168 garhighway

5000

Witnessed by ME.

172 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:47:34am

re: #166 JasonA

Stupid comparison. Rangel has given people good cause to doubt his honesty. I don’t believe Lewis has.

Sure he has. He said teabaggers called him bad names in the absence of indisputable video evidence. What more do you need?

173 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:48:59am

re: #122 Sionainn

[Link: thehill.com…]

Specifically this: “Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, “Yes, but it’s OK. I’ve heard this before in the ’60s. A lot of this is just downright hate.”“

If you read the story, it is all coming from Reps. Carson and Cleaver. It is very unclear that Lewis was actually interviewed, or that someone just added 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

In all the time since…. Lewis has never actually gone on the record clearly.

Everyone likes to point out that Lewis should not be questioned…. OK, I am with that.

174 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:49:00am

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Crusty and covered in lint? Yes.

Why is it crusty?

175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:49:22am

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

A lot of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence fit that.

176 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:49:25am

OK, now for something that we can all agree on, this bear kicks ass.

On their trip through Iran, the men of the Polish 22nd Transport Artillery Supply Company came across a young Iranian boy wandering through the desert like Jim Morrison tripping balls, and carrying a large cloth sack. The men thought the boy looked tired and hungry, so they gave him some food and a Crunch bar or some shit. When the kid thanked them, the Poles asked what was in the bag. The boy opened it up and revealed a tiny, malnourished brown bear cub. Since the soldiers knew the little cub was in very poor health and needed attention quickly, they bought the bear from the kid for a few bucks (or whatever the hell they used for money in 1940’s Iran – I can’t be bothered to look it up), and fed it some condensed milk from a makeshift bottle. For the next several days, they nursed the bear back to health, giving it food, water, and a warm place to sleep.

Over the long journey from Iran to Palestine, the bear, now named Voytek (it’s spelled Wojtek in Polish but pronounced “Voytek” because Polish is a crazy fucking language) quickly became the unofficial mascot of the 22nd Company. The bear would sit around the campfire with the men, eating, drinking, and sleeping in tents with the rest of the soldiers. The bear loved smoking cigarettes, drank beer right out of the bottle like a regular infantryman, and got a kick out of wrestling and play-fighting with the other soldiers. Of course, he was the most badass asskicking wrester in the entire company, thanks in part to the fact that he grew to be six feet tall, weighed roughly five hundred pounds, and could knock small trees over with a single swing of his massive, clawed paw. He grew to be a part of the unit, improving the morale of men who had spent several years getting their asses kicked in slave labor camps, and was treated as though he were just another hard-drinkin’, hard-smoking’, hard-fightin’, hair-growin’ soldier in the Company. When the unit marched out on a mission, Voytek would stand up on his hind legs and march alongside them. When the motorized convoy was on the move, Voytek sat in the passenger seat of one of the jeeps, hanging his head out the window and shocking the shit out of people walking down the street.

In addition to kicking peoples’ asses and drinking beer, Voytek also enjoyed taking hot baths for some reason. Over the summer in Palestine, he learned how to work the showers, and you could pretty much always find him splashing around the bath house. Once, he entered the bath hut and came across a spy who had been planted to gather intelligence on the Allied camp. Voytek growled, slapped the dude upside his stupid head, and the man immediately crapped his pants and surrendered. The Soldier Bear was lauded as a hero for successfully capturing an enemy agent, who in turn was interrogated and gave up vital intelligence on enemy positions.

When it was time to stop fucking around and get “in the shit” as they say, II Corps linked up with the hardcore British 8th Army and headed out to the middle of the Category 5 Crapstorm the was brewing in Italy. The problem, however, was that British High Command did not allow any pets or animals in their camp, so the Polish Army formally enlisted Voytek the Bear into their ranks. He was given the rank of Private, assigned a serial number, and from that point on was included in all official unit rosters. The Brits were like, “whatever chaps”, and didn’t even bat an eye when Voytek marched ashore with the rest of the 22nd Company.

177 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:49:29am

re: #120 mojopundit

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

Sure seems like there’s a lot of people in here who have never tried to make a bootleg recording at a concert.

I was listening to this one bootleg of a Hendrix concert and I could swear he sung “‘scuse me while I kiss this guy” on Purple Haze.

Couldn’t find that on Youtube, so here’s a mangled version of a Dredg song to underscore the point.

Youtube Video

Jokes aside, audio recording is hard as hell with good equipment, and you should really listen to the Dredg song in a clear quality, because it’s a good tune.

178 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:49:52am

re: #174 Jeff In Ohio

Why is it crusty?

Its a “special” sock.

179 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:50:08am

re: #173 Buck

If you read the story, it is all coming from Reps. Carson and Cleaver. It is very unclear that Lewis was actually interviewed, or that someone just added 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

In all the time since… Lewis has never actually gone on the record clearly.

Everyone likes to point out that Lewis should not be questioned… OK, I am with that.

Are you suspicious of Carson and Cleaver?

180 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:50:15am

re: #166 JasonA

Stupid comparison. Rangel has given people good cause to doubt his honesty. I don’t believe Lewis has.

so you’re saying that one’s participation in the civil rights movement is not necessarily an indicator of future honesty.

isn’t that what Walter said?

181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:50:18am

re: #173 Buck

So how do you account for Lewis’s clear statement shown by Thanos above?

You’re simply wrong, and you’re digging a deep, dank, racist hole in defense of Brietbart.

Why?

182 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:50:32am

re: #139 Obdicut

You know, eyewitness testimony is evidence. It’s entered as evidence in trials every day.

Is there some reason you doubt the word of Rep. Lewis?

It’s because he’s a b prog!

183 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:50:36am

re: #160 jamesfirecat

One quibble didn’t the guy who they threw money hat have Parkisons? Last time I checked that’s an incurable condition, but its not really a terminal illness is it?

Well, Parkinson’s is degenerative and progressive, so while it’s no cancer, and people sometimes die from something else first, I would think it would ultimately end up terminal at some point.

But I will half-concede the point. :)

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:50:38am

re: #144 zora

i label you a dumb-ass.

I think that’s a personal attack.

/

185 sagehen  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:51:25am

re: #160 jamesfirecat

One quibble didn’t the guy who they threw money hat have Parkisons? Last time I checked that’s an incurable condition, but its not really a terminal illness is it?

Not at first; it’s a progressive condition, and also increases susceptibility to a lot of other illnesses. But ultimately, it is in itself fatal — losing proper muscle function eventually reaches such muscles as the heart.

186 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:51:27am

re: #172 garhighway

Sure he has. He said teabaggers called him bad names in the absence of indisputable video evidence. What more do you need?

I’m sure we can get a hold of James O’Keefe to provide some “authentic” video footage for us on just about any subject. In fact I have a video right here where Progs are clearly calling for Michele Bachmann to be replaced by the Burger King mascot.

187 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:51:42am

So the verdict is in, Andrew Breitbart is a liar.And a cretin. And by default, an apologist for racism. In this instance, calling Andrew Breitbart ignorant is a sort of kindness.

188 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:52:28am

re: #110 Buck

And there is a perfect demo of how any opposing view must be minimized. And how the best way to do that is personal attacks, and not on the merit.

There was merit?

189 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:52:41am

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a “special” sock.

At least it was loved.

190 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:53:01am

re: #173 Buck

If you read the story, it is all coming from Reps. Carson and Cleaver. It is very unclear that Lewis was actually interviewed, or that someone just added 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

In all the time since… Lewis has never actually gone on the record clearly.

Everyone likes to point out that Lewis should not be questioned… OK, I am with that.

OK, here’s a video that claims it was a leftie plant that yelled the word:

Youtube Video

191 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:53:10am

re: #157 Fozzie Bear

Clearly the people in the crowd were just misheard.

“This bill will make the government bigger!”
“These figures just don’t add up!”
“What about cost triggers?!?!”

///

And if they did use the n-word, it was clearly the ‘oppressed white conservative person’ sense of the word that was being employed./

192 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:53:16am

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

so you’re saying that one’s participation in the civil rights movement is not necessarily an indicator of future honesty.

isn’t that what Walter said?

I think point that hopefully we all can agree on is being in the civil rights movement is a big “white mark” in someone’s book. Not that it can’t be over turned but we should keep it in mind (along with everything else they’ve done) when judging if we should take their word or not.

Do we have any black marks against Lewis?

193 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:53:45am

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

so you’re saying that one’s participation in the civil rights movement is not necessarily an indicator of future honesty.

isn’t that what Walter said?

Walter said no one should question Rangel’s honesty because he was in the Civil Rights movement.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:09am

re: #165 beekiller

I am so sick of the argument/claim that a few isolated incidents are blown out of proportion to condemn everyone in it. How many incidents does it take to become not so isolated?

Also, if these incidents are so isolated, why is it so hard for people like Breitbart to condemn them, rather than freak out over them?

195 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:10am

re: #192 jamesfirecat

Oh James.

Maybe “black and white marks” aren’t really the best language to use here, hmmm?

196 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:16am

re: #189 darthstar

At least it was loved.

In a cheap dirty cinemax after 10pm kind of way.

197 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:21am

re: #191 Jimmah

And if they did use the n-word, it was clearly the ‘oppressed white conservative person’ sense of the word that was being employed./

ask and ye shall receive…

Youtube Video

198 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:50am

Obviously the only reason I would continue to prod Buck for an answer is that I should be working on my taxes.

Later.

199 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:56am

re: #195 Obdicut

Oh James.

Maybe “black and white marks” aren’t really the best language to use here, hmmm?

Sorry my bad, can we talk about credits and demerits instead?

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:54:59am

re: #171 Stanley Sea

Witnessed by ME.

You? I want documentary evidence.

201 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:55:01am

re: #192 jamesfirecat

I think point that hopefully we all can agree on is being in the civil rights movement is a big “white mark” in someone’s book. Not that it can’t be over turned but we should keep it in mind (along with everything else they’ve done) when judging if we should take their word or not.

Do we have any black marks against Lewis?


This.

202 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:55:01am

So Buck, how is this thread working out for you?

203 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:55:22am

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

Who spoke out, specifically? And don’t give me this nonsense about ‘suspicious’.

Everyone. No one (of any serious note) on the right or left came out and said that using the racism and specifically the N word is OK.

Even Andrew Breitbart.

204 mojopundit  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:55:37am

#126 Dreggas

I never saw anything about the United Negro College Fund, did you just make that up?

@ the other people immediately attacking me; I’ve been checking this website every day for some years, I apologize for not being a regular commenter(I rarely read the comments) or (I guess) fitting in with your group-think, but really? Immediate juvenile attacks? Really? Is that how it is?

Did Breitbart offer a reward to anyone that can show any evidence of racist slurs or not?

205 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:56:01am

re: #202 garhighway

So Buck, how is this thread working out for you?

I motion this thread be renamed “What the Buck?”

206 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:56:13am

re: #192 jamesfirecat

I think point that hopefully we all can agree on is being in the civil rights movement is a big “white mark” in someone’s book. Not that it can’t be over turned but we should keep it in mind (along with everything else they’ve done) when judging if we should take their word or not.

Do we have any black marks against Lewis?

Your use of the terms white and black here offends me.

////

207 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:56:20am

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In a cheap dirty cinemax after 10pm kind of way.


On Dish satellite, Cimemax after 10 comes on at 7pm Pacific…probably to the great joy of teenagers across the west coast.

208 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:56:32am

re: #205 JasonA

I motion this thread be renamed “What the Buck?”

Second.

209 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:57:25am

Why is Breitbart stirring the pot to deny something that was confirmed as happening plus the fact that Rep. Lewis has put this incident behind him?

Unless Breitbart thinks that the lack of outrage on Lewis’ part meant the racial slurs never happened, which in itself is another avenue to a racist outlook.

210 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:57:37am

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, if these incidents are so isolated, why is it so hard for people like Breitbart to condemn them, rather than freak out over them?

Because they secretly approve of them but don’t have the balls to admit it?

211 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:22am

Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

news.yahoo.com

212 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:26am

re: #210 beekiller

Because they secretly approve of them but don’t have the balls to admit it?

For sure… I was thinking the same thing.

213 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:28am

re: #205 JasonA

I motion this thread be renamed “What the Buck?”

BUCK YOU!

214 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:32am

re: #193 Jeff In Ohio

Walter said no one should question Rangel’s honesty because he was in the Civil Rights movement.

I think Walter was being sarcastic. Just because Rengel was part of the Civil Rights movement, doesn’t mean everything he says should be taken at face value, without question.

215 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:40am

re: #190 avanti

lol

216 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:52am

re: #209 badger1970

Why is Breitbart stirring the pot to deny something that was confirmed as happening plus the fact that Rep. Lewis has put this incident behind him?

Unless Breitbart thinks that the lack of outrage on Lewis’ part meant the racial slurs never happened, which in itself is another avenue to a racist outlook.

Breitbart is gunning for a TV position and the money that comes with it. If Sarah can do it, and if Erick son of Erick can do it, then why can’t he? He’s just as big an asshole as anyone else.

217 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:58:59am

re: #199 jamesfirecat

Sorry my bad, can we talk about credits and demerits instead?

heh.

yes - xtra credit to warriors of the civil rights movement. however, i’m sure the past 10 years have yielded enough items for us to make some general statements about most any politician.

fwiw, i can’t think of anything bad to say about Lewis off the top of my head.

Rangel, OTOH, is a corrupt, arrogant SOB.

218 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:06am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Another state to add to the long list of stupid.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:13am

re: #173 Buck

If you read the story, it is all coming from Reps. Carson and Cleaver. It is very unclear that Lewis was actually interviewed, or that someone just added 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

In all the time since… Lewis has never actually gone on the record clearly.

Everyone likes to point out that Lewis should not be questioned… OK, I am with that.

Lewis is on record, in links you have been given, affirming that racial epithets were called out at him.

All of the other witnesses are reputable people as well, although Rep. Lewis’ record is an extraordinary one.

What exactly is it you want here?

220 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:19am

re: #213 Stanley Sea

BUCK YOU!

That’s Bucked up.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:29am

re: #174 Jeff In Ohio

Why is it crusty?

Garage floor gunk.

222 jvic  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:36am

re: #147 jamesfirecat

So we should take the words of members of an angry mob of those of a member of the Senate?

A member of the Senate who was an actual member of the civil rights movement?

I haven’t followed this incident all that carefully, but my understanding is that the Congressfolk reporting the racial taunts were all Representatives. If Senators were involved, I’d appreciate somebody identifying them.

re: #126 Dreggas

He promised he would donate 10 grand to the united negro college fund, not that he would give it to someone so there is no incentive for a tea-partier with video to turn it over.

I googled the promised donation. Most links say that $10K is the right number although the LGF post’s linked yahoo article says it’s $100K.

223 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:38am

Well, I think Breitbart isn’t so bright.

This kind of reminds me of the response of the bishops in Connecticut a few threads down. Instead of tossing out the “bad apples”, he defends them. Not a smart strategy from a PR perspective.

224 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:39am

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, if these incidents are so isolated, why is it so hard for people like Breitbart to condemn them, rather than freak out over them?

we have a winner…

225 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:40am

re: #210 beekiller

That’s a little harsh.

I see it more as a parent (AB) thinking little Johnny (Tea Baggers) could never have done that since Johnny is such a little good boy.

226 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:59:59am

re: #203 Buck

Everyone. No one (of any serious note) on the right or left came out and said that using the racism and specifically the N word is OK.

Even Andrew Breitbart.

So your definition of “spoke out” means no one said anything? Are you new to this whole “logic” thing?

227 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:00:15am

re: #175 Obdicut

the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are great!

228 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:00:33am

re: #214 eclectic infidel

I think Walter was being sarcastic. Just because Rengel was part of the Civil Rights movement, doesn’t mean everything he says should be taken at face value, without question.

Stop talking about me :) I was only agree with James… “So we should take the words of members of an angry mob of those of a member of the Senate? A member of the Senate who was an actual member of the civil rights movement?”

Makes sense, doesn’t it?

229 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:00:45am

re: #216 darthstar

Breitbart is gunning for a TV position and the money that comes with it. If Sarah can do it, and if Erick son of Erick can do it, then why can’t he? He’s just as big an asshole as anyone else.

This post nicely unifies the this thread and the prior one.

230 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:00:55am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

well, this doesn’t excuse it, but IIRC Democratic and Republican leadership have been doing this for a long time in Mississippi. I think in this case it’s state stupidity rather than partisan stupidity. But my party has proven me wrong too often these days…

231 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:02:47am

re: #210 beekiller

Because they secretly approve of them but don’t have the balls to admit it?

We are not far from where using racial slurs could increase fund raising for certain candidates. “baby killer” “You lie” worked, why not gay or racial slurs next for certain constituents.

232 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:02:54am

re: #229 garhighway

This post nicely unifies the this thread and the prior one.

Competition for attention is tough. Breitbart needs an edge, and he thought he had one with that weasel-dick O’Keefe, until that fell apart. Now he’s going after Civil Rights era heroes, at a time where Confederate History Month is in the press for its stupidity. It’s all he can do to get people to look at him.

233 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:03:00am

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

Garage floor gunk.

That’s not what we call it…

234 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:03:01am

re: #230 Aceofwhat?

well, this doesn’t excuse it, but IIRC Democratic and Republican leadership have been doing this for a long time in Mississippi. I think in this case it’s state stupidity rather than partisan stupidity. But my party has proven me wrong too often these days…

During his interview w/ Candy Crowley at the SRLC, he seemed determined to confuse “History Month” with the common and innocent “Confederate Memorial Day”. I don’t know how long the Month was in the works.

235 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:03:42am

A note to (actual) conservatives: Breitbart isn’t one of you. He is interested in elevating his own profile, the ‘cause’ be damned.

When you defend him, you jump in his little sinking boat with him, only he has the benefit of having made lots of money. You’ve got nothing but egg on your face.

236 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:04:15am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

During his interview w/ Candy Crowley at the SRLC, he seemed determined to confuse “History Month” with the common and innocent “Confederate Memorial Day”. I don’t know how long the Month was in the works.

ah. then perhaps he succeeded in confusing me as well…

237 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:04:28am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Interesting background on Haley, it’s kinda all bucked up.

google.com

238 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:04:36am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Then that would help explain the rotational period on the world that come from (month/day- whatever).

239 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:04:40am

re: #204 mojopundit

google “Breitbart united negro college fund”

I won’t link the people that are in the results.

240 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:05:12am

re: #235 Fozzie Bear

A note to (actual) conservatives: Breitbart isn’t one of you. He is interested in elevating his own profile, the ‘cause’ be damned.

When you defend him, you jump in his little sinking boat with him, only he has the benefit of having made lots of money. You’ve got nothing but egg on your face.

I’m not defending Brietbart, but I think you are not seeing that people are really angry. They are afraid. They don’t understand. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??? I’M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!111!

241 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:05:26am

re: #236 Aceofwhat?

ah. then perhaps he succeeded in confusing me as well…

I’m not sure you weren’t right about Dixiecrat delaractions, though.

242 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:05:52am

re: #226 Locker

So your definition of “spoke out” means no one said anything? Are you new to this whole “logic” thing?

Yes, but no one came out and signed in blood that they are racists and love Hitler in a fully non-ironic sense. That counts as speaking out!/

243 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:05:52am

re: #213 Stanley Sea

BUCK YOU!

I was lurking the day Cato told him to Buck off. Best belly laugh I’d had in a while. I was laughing later that night in the shower and my wife thought I was nuts.

244 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:06:08am

re: #237 Thanos

Interesting background on Haley, it’s kinda all bucked up.

[Link: www.google.com…]

For a while there, he was sounding sane and smart.

245 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:06:38am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

I’m not sure you weren’t right about Dixiecrat delaractions, though.

Whats a delaraction?

246 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:07:11am

re: #243 beekiller

I was lurking the day Cato told him to Buck off. Best belly laugh I’d had in a while. I was laughing later that night in the shower and my wife thought I was nuts.

At least we get a benefit out of his asinine posts!

247 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:07:26am

re: #120 mojopundit

Didn’t Breitbart offer $10,000 for anyone that could prove the N-word slander on video or audio? In this day and age, surely someon should have be recording and anyone (even a wingnut) would provide that evidence for that kind of money.

Mojo

Rumor says that Breitbart has received some videos, but he insists they’re either unintelligible or fakes. Might be either one, might even be that rumor’s wrong and he hasn’t received any at all, but the fact he’s the judge for whether he’s going to pay makes me suspicious.

248 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:07:53am

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats a delaraction?

A rapidly mythtyped declaration.

249 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:07:56am

re: #173 Buck

If you read the story, it is all coming from Reps. Carson and Cleaver. It is very unclear that Lewis was actually interviewed, or that someone just added 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

In all the time since… Lewis has never actually gone on the record clearly.

Everyone likes to point out that Lewis should not be questioned… OK, I am with that.

Holy crap! You are a persistent little bugger, aren’t you?

In my book, when words have quotation marks around them in an article, that means that is exactly what the person said, not something that someone else thought they said or imagined they would say had they been asked.

250 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:08:30am

re: #153 Aceofwhat?

Indeed. Racism doesn’t camouflage itself very well…it’s not like a guide to finding the spotted warbler. People who see it everywhere they look have their own inner problems to conquer.

It’s nearly as contemptible to accuse others of it with such flimsy logic as it is to be racist. We’re not going to reduce racism if we don’t know how to spot it.

I’m back - and exactly.
I know about people from my private conversations with them (public conversations are always sanitized), from the whispered asides they make, from their actions. I don’t need to test people before I decide they meet my standards - their nature will show itself, and quickly.

251 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:08:38am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

A rapidly mythtyped declaration.

Noted.

252 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:08:43am

re: #243 beekiller

I was lurking the day Cato told him to Buck off. Best belly laugh I’d had in a while. I was laughing later that night in the shower and my wife thought I was nuts.

not having evidence that you are not nuts is not evidence that you are not nuts/

253 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:08:44am

re: #243 beekiller

I was lurking the day Cato told him to Buck off. Best belly laugh I’d had in a while. I was laughing later that night in the shower and my wife thought I was nuts.

Wow… comic classic! John Stewart has nothing on our Cato.

254 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:08:49am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

For a while there, he was sounding sane and smart.

Yes, I liked how he responded before, during and after Katrina.

255 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:09:05am

re: #243 beekiller

I was lurking the day Cato told him to Buck off. Best belly laugh I’d had in a while. I was laughing later that night in the shower and my wife thought I was nuts.

I’ve got to say, it’s good to read that I’m not the only one who chuckles out loud to exchanges on LGF long after I’ve walked away from the computer.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:09:06am

re: #203 Buck

Everyone. No one (of any serious note) on the right or left came out and said that using the racism and specifically the N word is OK.

Even Andrew Breitbart.

I didn’t ask if anyone said it was OK, and I specifically asked you not use ‘everyone’.

Let me try again. Who, among the leadership or rank and file of the Tea Party or the anti-HCR activists took prompt action to condemn racist language being used at Tea Party events? If necessary, you may use a mainstream Republican politician, although preferably not Olympia Snow as an example.

257 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:10:23am

re: #223 Fozzie Bear

Well, I think Breitbart isn’t so bright.

This kind of reminds me of the response of the bishops in Connecticut a few threads down. Instead of tossing out the “bad apples”, he defends them. Not a smart strategy from a PR perspective.

I agree. He appears to me to be pretty much out of control, an impulse driven rageball with no care for or capacity for ‘strategy’ whatsoever. That he has become such a darling of the right recently is just more evidence of how badly the right has lost it’s senses.

258 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:10:30am

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn’t ask if anyone said it was OK, and I specifically asked you not use ‘everyone’.

Let me try again. Who, among the leadership or rank and file of the Tea Party or the anti-HCR activists took prompt action to condemn racist language being used at Tea Party events? If necessary, you may use a mainstream Republican politician, although preferably not Olympia Snow as an example.


- 2 points for each person labeled by the TP movement as a “RINO”, imo. (I.e., everybody left of Atilla the Hun)

259 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:10:39am

re: #195 Obdicut

Oh James.

Maybe “black and white marks” aren’t really the best language to use here, hmmm?

James is young.
He is learning.

260 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:10:44am

re: #247 kirkspencer

Rumor says that Breitbart has received some videos, but he insists they’re either unintelligible or fakes. Might be either one, might even be that rumor’s wrong and he hasn’t received any at all, but the fact he’s the judge for whether he’s going to pay makes me suspicious.

I have to admit, I’m a bit skeptical about this video myself./

Youtube Video

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:11:14am

re: #204 mojopundit

#126 Dreggas

I never saw anything about the United Negro College Fund, did you just make that up?

@ the other people immediately attacking me; I’ve been checking this website every day for some years, I apologize for not being a regular commenter(I rarely read the comments) or (I guess) fitting in with your group-think, but really? Immediate juvenile attacks? Really? Is that how it is?

Did Breitbart offer a reward to anyone that can show any evidence of racist slurs or not?

The money goes to the United Negro College Fund. Note: sometimes when you hear something new it is possible to Google it quickly. Type in ‘Breitbart UNCF’.

262 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:11:28am

re: #259 reine.de.tout

I know. It was semi-comic.

“Sir, this racism is a black mark on you!”

263 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:11:30am

re: #16 Buck

It aint proof that it didn’t happen,,, and a bunch of people (who were not there) saying it did does not prove it happen.

Does anyone have Reps. John Lewis on the record saying it happened? Not someone else saying he said it did, but the actual people saying it happened to them.

You could try reading the article:

Lewis declined to discuss the issue with The Associated Press. Asked whether the epithet was used, his spokeswoman said: “Yes. Congressman Lewis did hear the N-word yelled from the crowd.”

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:12:13am

re: #210 beekiller

Because they secretly approve of them but don’t have the balls to admit it?

I fear that is so, and really don’t want it to be.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:12:33am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Odd, how coincidental that is.

266 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:13:10am

What is the “zero” evidence? Because we know if it’s not on Youtube then it’s fake.

If John Lewis, Andre Carson and Emanuel Cleaver said it happened, then it happened.

267 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:13:12am

re: #262 Obdicut

I know. It was semi-comic.

“Sir, this racism is a black mark on you!”

LOL!

268 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:13:54am

re: #263 Charles

But I didn’t hear it with my own ears and record it in 192khz x 32bit sound quality with a studio condenser mic and have it analyzed by a the NSA to prove it wasn’t in fact evil prog robots planted in the crowd!!!
////

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:14:06am

I THINK WHAT BUCK IS SAYING MAKES PERFECT SENSE I DEFEND HIS ASSERTIONS COMPLETELY

ALSO WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE PRICE OF GOLD IS RISING NOW IS THE BEST TIME TO GET IN ON THIS EXCITING NEW INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY

270 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:14:09am

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

Odd, how coincidental that is.

Puts his “diddly” in a whole new light.

271 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:14:17am

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Nothing coming up except for Lewis accusing McCain of being a racist during 2008 campaign.

272 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:14:30am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

In other news, GOP leadership perplexed over lack of African-American voters…

273 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:14:44am

re: #133 beekiller

Rep. John Lewis’ word is golden in my book.

Hi beekiller :) Congrats on your marriage and best wishes to you and your wife!

274 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:14:58am

re: #255 eclectic infidel

I’ve got to say, it’s good to read that I’m not the only one who chuckles out loud to exchanges on LGF long after I’ve walked away from the computer.

It’s really hard to explain to others too.

275 jvic  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:15:01am

re: #230 Aceofwhat?

re: #211 Decatur Deb
Mississippi Gov Barbour has signed a Confederate History Month declaration. The causes of the Civil War War of Northern Aggression seem somehow the same as the TP angst.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

well, this doesn’t excuse it, but IIRC Democratic and Republican leadership have been doing this for a long time in Mississippi. I think in this case it’s state stupidity rather than partisan stupidity. But my party has proven me wrong too often these days…

I’ve been told that many (white) Southerners believe that slavery was not the only cause of the Civil War.

I can understand the desire of white Southerners to commemorate the valor their ancestors displayed.

But, especially given what just happened with Virginia, I can’t view Barbour’s failure to mention slavery (see DD’s yahoo link) as anything but deliberate pandering to racists.

276 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:15:43am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

I’m back - and exactly.
I know about people from my private conversations with them (public conversations are always sanitized), from the whispered asides they make, from their actions. I don’t need to test people before I decide they meet my standards - their nature will show itself, and quickly.

and further, as i said when on LGF a few days ago answering someone who felt that republican = spiteful as a rule, not being able to identify the logic behind someone’s position does not automatically imply that person’s position is nefariously motivated.

thinking “i don’t know why someone would say X so they must be selfish or racist” is the height of arrogance…it presumes that one has already thought of and successfully ruled out all other points of view.

(unless X = an actual selfish or racist statement, of course!)

277 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:17:11am

re: #273 Jimmah

Hi beekiller :) Congrats on your marriage and best wishes to you and your wife!

Thank you! She asked about you and Ice this past weekend. :)

278 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:17:14am

re: #263 Charles

why do you have to make everything so difficult/

279 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:17:23am

re: #272 JasonA

In other news, GOP leadership perplexed over lack of African-American voters…

Seriously, I think the right has just completely given up on having a future in an increasingly broad palette of voters. This approach might win an election or two, but it is clearly akin to throwing the war in the pursuit of a battle.

I see a staggering lack of foresight on the right lately, politically speaking. (Think: AGW) Demographics won’t allow this strategy to age well.

280 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:17:24am

re: #271 badger1970

lewis said: “Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

i hope you see the difference in that and saying mccain is a racist?

281 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:17:46am

re: #275 jvic

I’ve been told that many (white) Southerners believe that slavery was not the only cause of the Civil War.

I can understand the desire of white Southerners to commemorate the valor their ancestors displayed.

But, especially given what just happened with Virginia, I can’t view Barbour’s failure to mention slavery (see DD’s yahoo link) as anything but deliberate pandering to racists.

We did a pretty exhaustive thread on that after the Virginia declaration. I’m a white carpetbagger, but wouldn’t say it’s the only cause. Probably the root cause.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:18:00am

re: #258 Fozzie Bear

- 2 points for each person labeled by the TP movement as a “RINO”, imo. (I.e., everybody left of Atilla the Hun)

Was Attila really such a conservative?

283 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:19:12am

Breitbart’s yelling at me on Twitter.

twitter.com

twitter.com

284 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:19:31am

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

Was Attila really such a conservative?

You tell me - that was what the ladies who worked for me called me.
Prolly more because I kept ‘em busy. I had a whip and everything.

285 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:19:55am

re: #283 Charles

Breitbart’s yelling at me on Twitter.

[Link: twitter.com…]

[Link: twitter.com…]

Are you going to yell back?

286 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:19:58am

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

He was actually very liberal. He allowed freedom of religion, for example, and a progressive taxation system that eased taxes on the professional classes and targeted merchants.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:20:05am

re: #271 badger1970

Nothing coming up except for Lewis accusing McCain of being a racist during 2008 campaign.

Never noticed that about McCain. Lewis give any evidence?

(Wait. Don’t answer that. This thread will get weirder. I’ll look it up myself.)

288 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:20:07am

re: #280 zora

lewis said: “Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

i hope you see the difference in that and saying mccain is a racist?

Why don’t you quote the WHOLE statement…

The civil rights veteran leader and Democratic Georgia congressman said on Saturday that McCain’s increasingly negative campaign tactics were reminiscent of the segregationist era of Wallace, a divisive political figure in his day, who, Lewis said, “created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. … What I am seeing today reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

blogs.bet.com

289 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:20:31am

re: #283 Charles

And this is surprising? Or for that matter a bad thing? Breitfart has his panties in a bunch cuz he can’t handle it when people call him out for his bullshit.

290 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:20:36am

re: #283 Charles

He just solved the “100K” question for us.

291 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:20:50am

re: #271 badger1970

Nothing coming up except for Lewis accusing McCain of being a racist during 2008 campaign.

NEVER HAPPENED.

He accused Palin and McCain of stoking the fires of racism. He never actually used the “R” word at all.

politico.com

292 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:21:11am

re: #243 beekiller

I was lurking the day Cato told him to Buck off. Best belly laugh I’d had in a while. I was laughing later that night in the shower and my wife thought I was nuts.

Best laugh I’ve had here (so far) was when there was a discussion of god, and as internet discussions go, the penis as god argument came up. I made a comment about realizing my god was surrounded by wing-nuts and the all caps reply from reine de tout had me rolling on the floor for some time.

293 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:21:16am

re: #280 zora

I was going by the inflammatory headlines.

To respond to the original question, does this count? Republicans denounce racist and anti-gay slurs

Following reports yesterday that black and openly gay Democratic lawmakers were subjected to spitting and epithets from anti-health care reform protesters outside the Capitol, Republican leaders said Sunday that the incidents were “isolated” and “reprehensible.”

On CNN’s “State of the Union,” Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) denounced the use of such slurs “in the strongest terms.”

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the “isolated incidents” were “reprehensible.”

Later on the same program, Michael Steele, the Republican National Committee’s first black chairman, agreed that the incidents were “reprehensible,” and added, “we do not support that.”

“What you had out there yesterday were a handful of people who just got stupid and said some ignorant things,” Steele said.

Not all Republicans were so quick to condemn. Roll Call reports that Reps. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) both downplayed the incidents.

“I just don’t think it’s anything,” King said. “There are a lot of places in this country that I couldn’t walk through. I wouldn’t live to get to the other end of it.” He added that health-care supporters were “embellishing” the story to undermine the opposition.

“When you use a totalitarian tactics, people, you know, begin to act crazy,” Nunes said on CSPAN. “I think that people have every right to say what they want. If they want to smear someone, they can do it.” He said the epithets were “not appropriate” but that the whole crowd shouldn’t be characterized by the behavior of a few members.

Denial is strong among the GOP, it wasn’t exactly denouncing the activity (No true Republican //)

294 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:21:31am

re: #275 jvic

I’ve been told that many (white) Southerners believe that slavery was not the only cause of the Civil War.

I can understand the desire of white Southerners to commemorate the valor their ancestors displayed.

But, especially given what just happened with Virginia, I can’t view Barbour’s failure to mention slavery (see DD’s yahoo link) as anything but deliberate pandering to racists.

easy. if past administrations of all parties have done the exact same thing, then it’s a silly tradition rather than a nefarious pander.

i’d have much preferred he be the guy who stands athwart this little piece of history and yelled “stop”, but IIRC, you have to say that every democrat and republican who have given this the pass over the years has equally pandered to racists.

i think there’s some truth to that statement, that both parties have been pandering to racists on some level by perpetuating this custom, but it’s lazier just to single out the republican, isn’t it?

maybe this is a break from Mississippi tradition, like it was in Virginia, but i’m gonna reserve judgment until i know more.

295 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:21:48am

re: #292 darthstar

Best laugh I’ve had here (so far) was when there was a discussion of god, and as internet discussions go, the penis as god argument came up. I made a comment about realizing my god was surrounded by wing-nuts and the all caps reply from reine de tout had me rolling on the floor for some time.

WHAT???
What did I say?

296 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:22:34am

re: #110 Buck

And there is a perfect demo of how any opposing view must be minimized. And how the best way to do that is personal attacks, and not on the merit.

Go join drcordell downstairs.

297 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:22:50am

It’s lying when you say that there’s no N-word on the video…and then it turns out your video was shot at another time.

Imagine the possibilities: I can prove that 9-11 never happened. I just show a video of the towers, standing, and I say that it was taken on 9/12. There. Case proved.

By Breitbart’s standard.

298 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:23:11am

re: #283 Charles

Breitbart’s yelling at me on Twitter.

[Link: twitter.com…]

[Link: twitter.com…]


” If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any Pudding!!! How can you have any pudding, if ya don’t eat yer meat!!!!!

I wonder what he means by that??

/

299 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:23:11am

re: #293 badger1970

You can’t call the incidents isolated and really be condemning them honestly.

300 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:23:12am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

I’m back - and exactly.
I know about people from my private conversations with them (public conversations are always sanitized), from the whispered asides they make, from their actions. I don’t need to test people before I decide they meet my standards - their nature will show itself, and quickly.

Yup. Just recently, I heard this one:

“Once when I needed legal advice the attorney wouldn’t help me out because I wasn’t a Jew so I don’t think they (Jews) can be trusted.”

This was her reasoning to support Hamas as a freedom movement in the Middle East.

301 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:23:21am

re: #283 Charles

Breitbart’s yelling at me on Twitter.

[Link: twitter.com…]

[Link: twitter.com…]

He’s upped his fake offer from $10k to $100k. Oh, to collect on that…

302 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:23:26am

re: #291 marjoriemoon

NEVER HAPPENED.

He accused Palin and McCain of stoking the fires of racism. He never actually used the “R” word at all.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I guess by comparing them to Wallace, Lewis was just trying to point out that they were all white?

303 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:24:27am

re: #288 Walter L. Newton


thanks for posting the whole statement. it is just as relevant to what is happening now with the the tea partiers as it is to the palin/mccain rallies. it is no coincidence that palin is a tea party darling.

my point was that he did not call mccain a racist.

304 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:25:13am

re: #303 zora

thanks for posting the whole statement. it is just as relevant to what is happening now with the the tea partiers as it is to the palin/mccain rallies. it is no coincidence that palin is a tea party darling.

my point was that he did not call mccain a racist.

Right… just compared him to a racist… big difference… NOT!

305 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:25:16am

re: #295 reine.de.tout

WHAT???
What did I say?

if I recall correctly, “STOP IT!!!” and something about your side hurting. But it was literally five or six seconds after my post, so I had a pretty good visual on your reaction, which is why I found it so funny.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:26:04am

re: #293 badger1970

I was going by the inflammatory headlines.

To respond to the original question, does this count? Republicans denounce racist and anti-gay slurs

Denial is strong among the GOP, it wasn’t exactly denouncing the activity (No true Republican //)

It counts in the sense that I am pleased that such people as Pence, Boehner and Steele responded quickly. Boehner, I believe, is actually fairly tied in to the TPers, so that’s a positive.

And apparently one of the Tea Party Express organizers also spoke out very appropriately.

Good for all of them. Makes Breitbart look even shabbier, if you ask me.

307 mojopundit  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:26:43am

@239 Dreggas

Ok, thanks UNCF it is.

I really don’t care about this very much and find this whole vibe pretty weird.

I don’t think racism is as prevalent in our society as most of the commenters here obviously do. I think it makes most of you people feel superior to make up straw men and knock them down en masse.

I find your moral preening to be ridiculous but you seem to enjoy it, so good on ya!

You won’t be hearing from me again. I’ll probably be banned for not following the crowd anyway.

Have fun all thinking alike!

308 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:26:54am

re: #277 beekiller

Thank you! She asked about you and Ice this past weekend. :)

Thanks - we were both thinking about you two as well :) We’re still having fun here in NYC right now while we get Ice-ski’s application processed. I might actually manage to suppress my vertigo (possibly with the aid of certain recreational chemical enhancements) long enough to check out the view from the Empire State Building while we’re here.

Gotta dash - lunch time is upon us :)

309 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:27:15am

re: #231 avanti

We are not far from where using racial slurs could increase fund raising for certain candidates. “baby killer” “You lie” worked, why not gay or racial slurs next for certain constituents.

Indeed. It works very well for a certain element out there.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:27:21am

re: #299 Obdicut

You can’t call the incidents isolated and really be condemning them honestly.

There is a bit of butt-covering there. I’d rather see them say “This is not OK. Period.”

311 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:27:40am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

The comparison isn’t on grounds of being a racist, but irresponsibly stoking dangerous rhetoric, and he’s correct.

312 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:28:17am

re: #297 lostlakehiker

It’s lying when you say that there’s no N-word on the video…and then it turns out your video was shot at another time.

Imagine the possibilities: I can prove that 9-11 never happened. I just show a video of the towers, standing, and I say that it was taken on 9/12. There. Case proved.

By Breitbart’s standard.

No he was not lying, he was showing another example of CBC members walking through the crowd, and being yelled at, but with no N word.

Not proof, but evidence.

313 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:28:19am

re: #307 mojopundit

You’ll be missed, posted-twice guy.

314 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:28:54am

re: #312 Buck

Are you going to concede that eyewitness testimony is ‘evidence’, both in common sense and by legal standards?

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:29:05am

re: #307 mojopundit

@239 Dreggas

Ok, thanks UNCF it is.

I really don’t care about this very much and find this whole vibe pretty weird.

I don’t think racism is as prevalent in our society as most of the commenters here obviously do. I think it makes most of you people feel superior to make up straw men and knock them down en masse.

I find your moral preening to be ridiculous but you seem to enjoy it, so good on ya!

You won’t be hearing from me again. I’ll probably be banned for not following the crowd anyway.

Have fun all thinking alike!

If it is moral preening to say that Breitbart’s nonsense is racist and annoying then…(worries at wing feathers with beak).

316 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:29:16am

re: #307 mojopundit

I think this is the part where you tell us how much this site has changed…

317 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:29:19am

re: #307 mojopundit

@239 Dreggas

Ok, thanks UNCF it is.

I really don’t care about this very much and find this whole vibe pretty weird.

I don’t think racism is as prevalent in our society as most of the commenters here obviously do. I think it makes most of you people feel superior to make up straw men and knock them down en masse.

I find your moral preening to be ridiculous but you seem to enjoy it, so good on ya!

You won’t be hearing from me again. I’ll probably be banned for not following the crowd anyway.

Have fun all thinking alike!

Don’t surrender the ground to us. Come back with some good stats and arguments.

318 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:29:28am

re: #311 Obdicut

The comparison isn’t on grounds of being a racist, but irresponsibly stoking dangerous rhetoric, and he’s correct.

Wallace’s rhetoric took what form?

319 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:29:31am

re: #314 Obdicut

Are you going to concede that eyewitness testimony is ‘evidence’, both in common sense and by legal standards?

evidence, but not proof.

320 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:29:49am

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

If it is moral preening to say that Breitbart’s nonsense is racist and annoying then…(worries at wing feathers with beak).

If anything could make WUB hit on you, that post will.

321 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:30:18am

re: #307 mojopundit

You should get over yourself.
Really.

322 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:30:23am

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

Wallace’s rhetoric took what form?

I’m not going to play, Walter. If you want to attack Rep. Lewis about his statements, then do so.

I have stated my position perfectly clearly.

323 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:30:26am

I’d just like to say to all the lizards out there who have simple returns, TurboTax is VERY easy to use, and free. You’ll be charged extra ($30.95) for the processing of the state return, but you can always print it out later and mail it yourself. I paid the extra fee b/c I don’t have a printer and didn’t want to fuss w/loading it on a flash drive and taking it to Kinkos. I just wanted it done. The e-file part is included for both fed and state returns.

324 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:30:46am

re: #312 Buck

No he was not lying, he was showing another example of CBC members walking through the crowd, and being yelled at, but with no N word.

Not proof, but evidence.

Dude…trying to defend Breitbart on this is like trying to futtbuck yourself. You’re just making yourself look foolish.

325 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:30:59am

re: #291 marjoriemoon

NEVER HAPPENED.

He accused Palin and McCain of stoking the fires of racism. He never actually used the “R” word at all.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

“reminiscent of Wallace” isn’t close enough for you?

because i’m pretty sure you’d say a republican praising Wallace would be racist…can’t have it both ways, my Floridian friend!

326 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:31:07am

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

If it is moral preening to say that Breitbart’s nonsense is racist and annoying then…(worries at wing feathers with beak).

Maisey the Parrot does that every time I come near her cage. She also put’s her butt in the air and makes deep guttural sounds.

327 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:31:17am

re: #322 Obdicut

I’m not going to play, Walter. If you want to attack Rep. Lewis about his statements, then do so.

I have stated my position perfectly clearly.

Really? But what about the children?

328 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:31:21am

re: #292 darthstar

Best laugh I’ve had here (so far) was when there was a discussion of god, and as internet discussions go, the penis as god argument came up. I made a comment about realizing my god was surrounded by wing-nuts and the all caps reply from reine de tout had me rolling on the floor for some time.

Even if I am too tired to comment at bedtime…I read you guys to end my day with a smile and almost always a chuckle.

329 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:31:24am

re: #319 Buck

evidence, but not proof.

Great. So you admit you were completely wrong when you said there was zero evidence? Do you also admit you were wrong to say that Lewis hadn’t said that the ‘n-word’ was used, since his spokesperson said that he confirmed it had, and Thanos’s video does as well?

What is your actual argument, other than an accusation that these men are all colluding and lying?

330 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:33:22am

re: #319 Buck

evidence, but not proof.

It doesn’t rise to the level of, say, a birth certificate.

331 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:33:25am

re: #305 darthstar

if I recall correctly, “STOP IT!!!” and something about your side hurting. But it was literally five or six seconds after my post, so I had a pretty good visual on your reaction, which is why I found it so funny.

Probably one of those things where I just knew I was going to hell for getting a kick out of it.

332 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:33:43am

re: #312 Buck

No he was not lying, he was showing another example of CBC members walking through the crowd, and being yelled at, but with no N word.

Not proof, but evidence.

No, it isn’t evidence. It isn’t anything really. It’s a video not depicting what was described. If I take a section of my lawn that has no frogs on it, I can’t claim it as evidence that there are no frogs on my lawn. It just doesn’t work that way. Hence, the logical fallacy.

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:34:10am

re: #312 Buck

No he was not lying, he was showing another example of CBC members walking through the crowd, and being yelled at, but with no N word.

Not proof, but evidence.

I’m getting a sense of desperation here.

Buck—how bad would it really be if you allowed yourself to think that some people yelled racial slurs at a U.S. Representative because he was going to vote for a bill they hated? I mean, it’s bad, but is it really THAT bad?

334 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:34:13am

re: #299 Obdicut

You can’t call the incidents isolated and really be condemning them honestly.

sure you can. no one AFAIK is accusing the whole crowd, or even a significant percentage of the crowd, of behaving that way.

335 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:34:24am

Buck needs to keep posting. Just two more and he can rule the bottom 10 comments.

336 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:35:12am

re: #334 Aceofwhat?

What are you talking about, Ace? This has nothing to do with accusing the whole crowd or not.

337 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:35:22am

re: #324 darthstar

Dude…trying to defend Breitbart on this is like trying to futtbuck yourself. You’re just making yourself look foolish.

Look, he is offering $100K for video of the event (that shows the slur). He is not saying he HAS a video of the actual event. If he had the video of the event, he would not have to offer $100K would he.

Defending someone who says that he tried to say that this was the actual event is false. The CBC leaders tried twice to get a racist reaction from the crowd. We have very clear video of the second attempt, and not the first.

338 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:35:25am

re: #331 reine.de.tout

Probably one of those things where I just knew I was going to hell for getting a kick out of it.

Don’t forget the playing cards. I got the beverages.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:35:36am

re: #320 Obdicut

If anything could make WUB hit on you, that post will.

I don’t think I’m his type, even with feathers—and our respective fellas might object.

340 jvic  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:35:40am

re: #290 Decatur Deb

He just solved the “100K” question for us.

$100K is significant money.

There was a lot of recording equipment at the event. Presumably some of the recordings are available to the Democrats. Is the state of the art in DSP (digital signal processing) such that the epithet could be extracted in a manner that would be acceptable to a court of law?

Maybe a wealthy Democrat in the recording industry should offer to bet Breitbart $1M to go, depending on the outcome, to the UNCF or to a nonprofit of Breitbart’s choice.

341 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:35:57am

Scandal!
Religion Scholar RESIGNS After Endorsing Evolution

A prominent Old Testament scholar has resigned from a professorial position after he was recorded on video endorsing evolution.

Until several days ago, Bruce K. Waltke was a professor at Florida’s Reformed Theological Seminary. But after the school found out about his video blog (the video has since been removed at Waltke’s request) on the website of the BioLogos Foundation, which promotes harmony between science and theology, he lost his job.

342 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:26am

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

the comparison to wallace was correct and warranted.

this was from wallace’s wiki page. he realized that this was a winning strategy. was he a racist at heart? who cares. we can only judge his actions and his moral bankruptcy.

This was a political crossroads for Wallace. Patterson ran with the support of the Ku Klux Klan, an organization Wallace had spoken against, while Wallace was endorsed by the NAACP.[9] After the election, aide Seymore Trammell recalled Wallace saying, “Seymore, you know why I lost that governor’s race?… I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I’ll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again.”[note 2] In the wake of his defeat, Wallace adopted hard-line segregationism, and used this stand to court the white vote in the next gubernatorial election. When a supporter asked why he started using racist messages, Wallace replied, “You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about n*****s, and they stomped the floor.”[

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:31am

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot does that every time I come near her cage. She also put’s her butt in the air and makes deep guttural sounds.

You haven’t talked about Maisey in a while. How is she?

344 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:42am

2 more really bad comments & Buck will own the bottom ten!
Go!

345 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:44am

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m getting a sense of desperation here.

Buck—how bad would it really be if you allowed yourself to think that some people yelled racial slurs at a U.S. Representative because he was going to vote for a bill they hated? I mean, it’s bad, but is it really THAT bad?

I just don’t think that characterizing these rallies as Klan meetings is fair.

346 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #337 Buck
Yes the CBC was trying to provoke a reaction BY WALKING DOWN THE STREET.

347 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:55am

re: #337 Buck

Look, he is offering $100K for video of the event (that shows the slur). He is not saying he HAS a video of the actual event. If he had the video of the event, he would not have to offer $100K would he.

Defending someone who says that he tried to say that this was the actual event is false. The CBC leaders tried twice to get a racist reaction from the crowd. We have very clear video of the second attempt, and not the first.


Clearly, walking through a crowd is incitement. ///

Do you realize how incredibly stupid you sound?

348 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:36:56am

re: #337 Buck


Defending someone who says that he tried to say that this was the actual event is false. The CBC leaders tried twice to get a racist reaction from the crowd. We have very clear video of the second attempt, and not the first.

They ‘tried’ by virtue of being black and walking, I suppose?

How else did they ‘try’?

349 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:37:17am

They tried to get a racist reaction from the crowd? How did they try do that exactly?

350 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:37:30am

re: #340 jvic

Breitbart is a shameless liar. If tape does turn up there’s no chance he would actually pay up.

351 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:37:37am

re: #307 mojopundit

which, apparently, will be addition through subtraction…

352 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:37:41am

If I pretend I never heard of Andrew Brietbart, and so he has some benefit of doubt or initial credibility- The very second he puts a video up that is an hour late for the incident and tries to claim it as evidence nothing happened, he is a deceitful liar. End of credibility, end of story. Simple really.

353 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:37:46am

re: #340 jvic

$100K is significant money.

There was a lot of recording equipment at the event. Presumably some of the recordings are available to the Democrats. Is the state of the art in DSP (digital signal processing) such that the epithet could be extracted in a manner that would be acceptable to a court of law?

Maybe a wealthy Democrat in the recording industry should offer to bet Breitbart $1M to go, depending on the outcome, to the UNCF or to a nonprofit of Breitbart’s choice.

As long as Breitbart gets to decide what “proof” is, his money is safe.

354 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:38:02am

re: #348 Obdicut

They ‘tried’ by virtue of being black and walking, I suppose?

How else did they ‘try’?

Most leaders go in a different entrance. But you can also see they brought people to record the reaction.

355 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:38:53am

re: #354 Buck

So you really are saying they provoked a racist response by their mere presence as black people?

Do you understand what you’re saying?

356 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:39:08am

re: #346 Dreggas

Yes the CBC was trying to provoke a reaction BY WALKING DOWN THE STREET.

Walking directly through a peaceful protest/rally.

357 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:39:10am

re: #354 Buck

Most leaders go in a different entrance. But you can also see they brought people to record the reaction.

WWB
Walking While Black
You really sound like a disgusting person right now, you know that?

358 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:39:38am

re: #356 Buck

Walking directly through a peaceful protest/rally.

Peacefully walking…

359 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:39:40am

re: #353 Decatur Deb

As long as Breitbart gets to decide what “proof” is, his money is safe.

Exactly. Creationists frequently offer million dollar prizes for anyone who can find a transitional fossil. They never pay because they will never accept the evidence.

360 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:40:16am

re: #355 Obdicut

So you really are saying they provoked a racist response by their mere presence as black people?

Do you understand what you’re saying?

I did not say that. I am saying they DIDN’T provoke a racist response. I am clearly saying they tried to.

361 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:40:21am

re: #336 Obdicut

What are you talking about, Ace? This has nothing to do with accusing the whole crowd or not.

then it’s correct to call them isolated incidents, because neither were they saying that this happens at every tea party rally.

if it doesn’t happen all the time and it’s a handful of bigoted assholes, then it’s not patently incorrect to assume that the incidents are isolated.

i’m a lot more concerned about who is being invited to speak and who is doing the inviting…i think those incidents are getting more difficult to classify as “isolated”.

very small point, though.

362 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:40:46am

re: #356 Buck

That was directly in front of the doors to the capitol. Let me guess they should have used the back door?

363 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:40:52am

re: #356 Buck

Walking directly through a peaceful protest/rally.

How does that provoke a racist reaction, Buck?

If Weiner walked through that crowd and they screamed “Kike” at him would you say that he had provoked them?

364 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:41:03am

re: #357 JasonA

WWB
Walking While Black
You really sound like a disgusting person right now, you know that?

I didn’t say that. But you might as well accuse me of using the N word.

365 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:41:05am

re: #307 mojopundit

One day your reasoning will kick in and you’ll find you won’t have to flee from being challenged on your assumptions.

366 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:41:08am

re: #356 Buck

Walking directly through a peaceful protest/rally.

You are coming dangerously close to outing yourself as a racist. Actually, I think you may have already done so.

367 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:41:22am

re: #354 Buck

Most leaders go in a different entrance. But you can also see they brought people to record the reaction.

Bullshit- sometimes they use the other in Winter, the aboveground on nice Spring days.

368 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:41:39am

re: #360 Buck

I did not say that. I am saying they DIDN’T provoke a racist response. I am clearly saying they tried to.

So you have moved on from saying there’s no proof that it happened to outright saying that it didn’t happen?

369 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:41:45am

re: #354 Buck

Most leaders go in a different entrance. But you can also see they brought people to record the reaction.

Oh well, that explains everything. The people in the crowd are just the poor victims here.

Oh noes a black person! They’re forcing me to say bad things. NOT MY FAULT.

It’s was a trap!

370 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:42:21am

re: #320 Obdicut

Post favorited so I can make sure he sees it :)

371 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:04am

re: #360 Buck

I did not say that. I am saying they DIDN’T provoke a racist response. I am clearly saying they tried to.


They tried to? By what measure? Can you prove intent?

372 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:26am
373 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:27am

re: #337 Buck

Look, he is offering $100K for video of the event (that shows the slur). He is not saying he HAS a video of the actual event. If he had the video of the event, he would not have to offer $100K would he.

Defending someone who says that he tried to say that this was the actual event is false. The CBC leaders tried twice to get a racist reaction from the crowd. We have very clear video of the second attempt, and not the first.

He was offering 10,000 dollars a week ago. Now he’s offering 100,000 dollars. Breitbart doesn’t even have that kind of money…not that he’d ever pay the ‘reward’ if someone did have video. He’d argue it was faked (and he knows faked video…he’s an expert with his friend O’Keefe).

I was wondering if there was any one Bucked in the head enough to believe the $100k bullshit. Thank you for clarifying, though I don’t think it bodes well for society that there are people so gullible as to believe Breitbart.

374 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:28am

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think I’m his type, even with feathers—and our respective fellas might object.

There is that. I think it’ll still give him a nice little fillip. It was a nice turn of phrase.

375 Ericus58  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:31am

Wow Buck…….
Just Wow.

376 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:40am

re: #342 zora

the comparison to wallace was correct and warranted.

this was from wallace’s wiki page. he realized that this was a winning strategy. was he a racist at heart? who cares. we can only judge his actions and his moral bankruptcy.

This was a political crossroads for Wallace. Patterson ran with the support of the Ku Klux Klan, an organization Wallace had spoken against, while Wallace was endorsed by the NAACP.[9] After the election, aide Seymore Trammell recalled Wallace saying, “Seymore, you know why I lost that governor’s race?… I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I’ll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again.”[note 2] In the wake of his defeat, Wallace adopted hard-line segregationism, and used this stand to court the white vote in the next gubernatorial election. When a supporter asked why he started using racist messages, Wallace replied, “You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about n*****s, and they stomped the floor.”[

Fine. Then comparisons to Wallace logically include a racial component. There are hundreds of other examples to use if one wishes to imply that someone’s behavior or speech is “inciting bad things” but not racist.

You don’t make a comparison to Wallace if you don’t mean “racist”. They’re synonymous. Unless, as i said, you mean to tell me that i could convince you i’m a big Wallace fan but i’m not racist.

didn’t think so…

377 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:43:47am

re: #372 MandyManners

Not you too, Mandy.

378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:44:07am

re: #376 Aceofwhat?

I don’t think Wallace was a racist. I think he used racism.

379 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:44:14am

Well, they WERE black, and obviously they were in the white part of town… They were asking for it.
/

380 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:44:15am

re: #354 Buck

Most leaders go in a different entrance. But you can also see they brought people to record the reaction.

If so where is the video? This is nonsense.

381 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:44:29am

re: #360 Buck

by being black? wtf is wrong with you?

382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:44:56am

re: #341 Killgore Trout

Scandal!
Religion Scholar RESIGNS After Endorsing Evolution

EXPELLED!
/

383 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:10am

re: #363 Obdicut

How does that provoke a racist reaction, Buck?

If Weiner walked through that crowd and they screamed “Kike” at him would you say that he had provoked them?

I NEVER SAID ANYONE PROVOKED ANYONE.

Don’t make shit up

If a group of representatives who are clear about their support of Israel, walk through an “Israel is apartheid” rally are they provoking?

384 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:13am

Is Buck actually arguing that members of the CBC not only purposely tried to provoke a negative response, and the slurs used against them were justified (because of the provocation for merely walking near said rally)?

385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:14am

re: #377 Obdicut

And if I misunderstood you, Mandy, I apologize deeply. I’m a little off-balance today, my fiancée’s mom is critically ill and I can’t do anything to help.

386 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:18am

re: #377 Obdicut

Not you too, Mandy.

I think she agrees with the general consensus that Buck’s premise is laughable.

387 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:20am

re: #356 Buck

Walking directly through a peaceful protest/rally.

besides the fact that they didn’t have jetpacks, doesn’t walking through a 100% “peaceful” rally result in…peace?

there were definitely bigots in the crowd, or walking through it wouldn’t have incited the response as quoted, right?

sheesh.

388 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:33am

Yikes! Scumbag of the year nominee?
Auburn (NY) Teacher Arrested For Stealing School Lunches

A teacher at Genesee Elementary School in Auburn has been arrested for stealing lunch money.

Police say 37-year-old Alan Robinson of Ithaca, a third-grade teacher at Genesee, used children’s subsidized school lunch cards to buy himself lunch, and then never repaid the students. Robinson would have kids bring their own lunch to school, and then use their personal ID numbers to buy himself lunch.

According to a state database, Robinson’s salary is $50,000 a year. The investigation began after a parent saw suspicious charges on her bill. obinson has been charged with three counts of petit larceny and three counts of endangering the welfare of a child, all misdemeanors. More charges are possible, police say.

No word on whether Robinson may be suspended from teaching. Robinson was released on an appearance ticket, and will be in Auburn City Court this morning.

Freepers comment, blame Obama, Ithaca, Cornell, and libruls in general.

389 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:37am

re: #205 JasonA

I motion this thread be renamed “What the Buck?”

I think it’s going to be “The Buck Stops Here”.

390 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:45:43am

re: #342 zora

the comparison to wallace was correct and warranted.

this was from wallace’s wiki page. he realized that this was a winning strategy. was he a racist at heart? who cares. we can only judge his actions and his moral bankruptcy.

391 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:46:47am

re: #383 Buck

So you’re yelling that you never said they provoked anyone, and then construct an analogy that clearly claims they provoked them.

Wow. That’s some quick self-pwnage.

392 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:46:50am

re: #385 Obdicut

And if I misunderstood you, Mandy, I apologize deeply. I’m a little off-balance today, my fiancée’s mom is critically ill and I can’t do anything to help.

Oh, my.
So very very sorry to hear this.

And in the event Mandy also has some sadness in her life right now, I ask patience.
That is all.

393 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:46:51am

re: #388 Shiplord Kirel

ha!

394 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:47:18am

re: #372 MandyManners

you personally? Probably not.

395 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:47:20am

re: #388 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! Scumbag of the year nominee?
Auburn (NY) Teacher Arrested For Stealing School Lunches

Freepers comment, blame Obama, Ithaca, Cornell, and libruls in general.

Wasn’t that in the movie “The Hangover” where the teacher used his students’ field trip money to pay for his trip to Vegas?

396 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:47:27am

re: #378 Obdicut

I don’t think Wallace was a racist. I think he used racism.

Also a perfectly fine opinion. But he is synonymous with racism. Lewis is not a dumb guy…he didn’t pick Wallace out of a hat for comparison without understanding what the comparison implied.

I don’t think this is earth-shattering stuff…but i do disagree with Zora, Marjorie and you that a smart person can say “you’re being like Wallace” without a racial component.

397 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:47:28am

re: #372 MandyManners

Hah! Good point. Jut being there, going to your job is not any kind of provocation ever. If you do get the wolf (not dog!) whistle, you can know that you are in rude company.

398 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:48:03am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

Broken comment—local hamster problems.re: #390 Decatur Deb

399 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:48:05am

re: #376 Aceofwhat?

are you a big fan of wallace? what’s your point. stoking racism for political gain is what the accusation was and as i pointing out wallace was a master at it, thus the comparison.

400 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:48:07am

re: #378 Obdicut

Wallace was a follower of the great tradition of southern politicians >>

401 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:48:18am

Back to work…

402 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:48:28am

re: #385 Obdicut

And if I misunderstood you, Mandy, I apologize deeply. I’m a little off-balance today, my fiancée’s mom is critically ill and I can’t do anything to help.

That sucks. Best wishes…i know it’s not much solace from a distance. Sorry, dude.

403 jvic  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:48:53am

re: #353 Decatur Deb

As long as Breitbart gets to decide what “proof” is, his money is safe.

Agreed, but that’s why I mentioned legal admissibility. Presumably the refereeing process would be part of the terms of the bet. These people have the general idea, but particular bet might be too technical for them.
*** *** *** *** ***
Right now I’m betting I’ll never see $100K again if I don’t log out and put my nose to the grindstone.

404 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:49:04am

re: #384 eclectic infidel

Is Buck actually arguing that members of the CBC not only purposely tried to provoke a negative response, and the slurs used against them were justified (because of the provocation for merely walking near said rally)?

He’s claiming that they did just that and were treated with respect.

405 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:49:28am

re: #378 Obdicut

I don’t think Wallace was a racist. I think he used racism.

How was he not racist? He had to know what can happen when a large group of people are incited to do hateful things.

406 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:49:32am
407 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:50:00am
408 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:50:06am

re: #383 Buck


no. not if they are leaving their office and protesters are waiting for them. they would absolutely not be provoking.

409 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:50:22am
410 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:51:10am

re: #406 MandyManners

Should all the Marines in that group be held guilty for that whistle? Should every group of Marines everywhere be held guilty for it?

According to Buck, it wouldn’t be the fault of the marines, since you WERE walking through a crowd of marines having boobs and a vagina and all…

The phrase “she was asking for it” comes to mind.

411 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:51:13am
412 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:51:20am

Obdi - really sorry.

413 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:51:30am

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

She’s eighty-four or so, and needs a pacemaker, but they can’t get her stable to put the pacemaker in. Catch-22.

She’s getting good care and is surrounded by the three smart, tough, intelligent daughters that she raised— mixed-race daughters, too, during a time period that wasn’t exactly easy to pull off. I just really want her to be able to make our wedding, so that she can see that.

Anyway, I’ll shut about it, I just wanted to let Mandy know that I’m sorry for jumping to abrupt conclusions.

414 researchok  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:51:46am

re: #378 Obdicut

I don’t think Wallace was a racist. I think he used racism.

Didn’t he own up to being a racist and apologize for it?

415 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:51:52am
416 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:52:10am

re: #399 zora

re: #400 windsagio

Wallace Sr. was more complex than he appears, and Alabamans of all stripes are somewhat confused by him. (The community college system, which he created, is the most progressive force in the state.) In all, he went down some bad roads and it seems his son is following him.

splcenter.org

417 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:52:20am

re: #405 badger1970

I mean, I don’t think he hated black people. I think he evaluated people and groups in terms of political usefulness.

418 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:52:24am

re: #404 beekiller

He’s claiming that they did just that and were treated with respect.

*sighs*
For me, the buck stops here.

419 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:52:39am

re: #372 MandyManners

Maybe it’s not perfectly analogous but, if I walk through a group of Marines, am I trying to provoke a whistle?

It depends on the background music. On any given Sunday, I’d say no. On a stage wearing nothing but the smoke wafting through the air, then yes.

The CBC and other representatives were walking through the crowd not to provoke them, but because they were proud of the legislation they were about to pass, and they felt they had nothing to hide. The protesters were free to exercise their free speech and their opinions, which they did. Sadly, some of them held opinions that were rather offensive and telling.

420 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:52:48am

re: #399 zora

are you a big fan of wallace? what’s your point. stoking racism for political gain is what the accusation was and as i pointing out wallace was a master at it, thus the comparison.

wait, so now you’re saying that Lewis “didn’t call McCain a racist” (from your earlier post) but he did accuse McCain of stoking racism for political gain?

i think my quibble with a distinction so fine is that i doubt it’s applied evenly. but i admit i have no evidence at hand to back that statement up.

421 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:53:27am

Anyway, I’m obviously over-emotional, so I’m going to bug out.

422 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:53:36am
423 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:54:05am
424 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:54:16am

re: #399 zora

are you a big fan of wallace? what’s your point. stoking racism for political gain is what the accusation was and as i pointing out wallace was a master at it, thus the comparison.

and why would you ask me if i’m a big fan of wallace? it’s ok if it’s just a joke…but it’s kindofa knee to the man-pouch if you’re semi-serious!

425 jvic  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:54:35am

re: #350 Killgore Trout

Breitbart is a shameless liar. If tape does turn up there’s no chance he would actually pay up.

One word: escrow.

If he’s bluffing, that would call it.

426 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:54:40am

re: #421 Obdicut

Anyway, I’m obviously over-emotional, so I’m going to bug out.

you have better sense than i…

427 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:55:10am
428 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:55:42am

re: #420 Aceofwhat?

wait, so now you’re saying that Lewis “didn’t call McCain a racist” (from your earlier post) but he did accuse McCain of stoking racism for political gain?

i think my quibble with a distinction so fine is that i doubt it’s applied evenly. but i admit i have no evidence at hand to back that statement up.

that’s exactly what i’m saying.

429 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:55:44am

re: #383 Buck

I NEVER SAID ANYONE PROVOKED ANYONE.

Don’t make shit up

If a group of representatives who are clear about their support of Israel, walk through an “Israel is apartheid” rally are they provoking?

Well then I guess our elected representatives should have realized they would ruin the nice protesters day and refused to walk through them an instead gone around.

Because that’s what America is all about, refusing to stand up to angry people shouting loudly!

430 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:55:46am

re: #414 researchok

Didn’t he own up to being a racist and apologize for it?

i thought so too…

431 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:55:56am

re: #417 Obdicut

Thanks.

What Dr. Hood had to say about him.

I was one of the two students who were the subject of the Stand In the Schoolhouse Door and had the privilege of meeting the late Governor in 1996 when he acknowledged that he was wrong in 1963, and he asked for forgiveness. I harbored no malice or ill-will and accepted his apology. I am convinced that he was sincere and, further, realized the error he had made. He was, in my opinion, a redeemed man and sought to correct the record of history that had dogged him for 30 plus years. I also attended his funeral and found those in attendance were people who believed in his leadership and acknowledged his contribution to Alabama and American history.

Dr. James A. Hood
Madison, WI

432 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:56:01am
433 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:56:22am

re: #410 Fozzie Bear

With respect to Buck’s argument, that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking all along.

434 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:56:28am

re: #421 Obdicut

Anyway, I’m obviously over-emotional, so I’m going to bug out.

All the best man!

435 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:56:42am

re: #428 zora

that’s exactly what i’m saying.

ok. i’ll look for you to vigorously defend republicans on the same grounds, then!

i love reaching agreement! pour the wine!

oops, it’s only 3. hmmm…

436 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:57:07am

re: #427 MandyManners

Keep that “some” in mind.

Hence my use of ‘some’ and not ‘all’. But with regard to the high number of incidents (phone threats, video threats, rocks through windows, etc.) we’ve seen in recent weeks, one might be excused for using ‘many’ if not ‘most.’ At least among the more vociferous of the Teabag crowd.

437 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:57:25am
438 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:57:59am
439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:58:00am

re: #345 Buck

I just don’t think that characterizing these rallies as Klan meetings is fair.

You’re right, they’re smart enough to know that they can’t get away with wearing those hoods in public.

They’re not KLAN meetings, they’re just meetings that the Klan has, shall we say, a healthy presence at. 8-)

440 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:58:02am

re: #406 MandyManners

Well, if the higher ups in the command structure were shown to pass around emails that were sexist and generally disparaging of women, and showed absolutely no inclination to curtail the harassing behavior of their subordinates, then I suppose you could. Which is pretty much what is going on with the Tea Parties, as has been documented here at LGF quite often.

441 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:58:18am

re: #406 MandyManners

Should all the Marines in that group be held guilty for that whistle? Should every group of Marines everywhere be held guilty for it?

Umm Mandy nobody here is talking about doing that….

442 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:58:40am

Good piece in the Wall St Journal about the future doctor shortage that will be a result of health care reform …

online.wsj.com

I posted about this issue three weeks ago after a conversation with my doctor. I know the President likes to make demands of those he feels more powerful than. And I would like to tell the POTUS that should also include med schools, which ask for $$ help (as well as their accredidation) from the govt. In order to make his dream of “quality health care for all” a reality instead of a hollow promise, he needs to get all the med schools to deliver enough future primary care doctors to service all the medical consumers, including those who had good care prior to this new law. And he needs to do it soon …. for the good of all Americans. Every one of us, regardless of political persuasion needs to hold the administration responsible for this.

443 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:58:46am

re: #422 MandyManners

That’s exactly what I was thinking of.

Attack those with whom they diagree, even get in their faces but, don’t attack them for the color of their skins.

I think the extension to that is, if you are an honorable teabagger in this situation, it is incumbent upon you to condemn such actions as yelling epithets, or at least, to not defend those who made them. Of course, that entails admitting such a thing is possible.

Breitbart knows this, so he is taking the only (absurd) position left: claim it never happened.

444 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:59:32am

re: #391 Obdicut

So you’re yelling that you never said they provoked anyone, and then construct an analogy that clearly claims they provoked them.

Wow. That’s some quick self-pwnage.

English isn’t your first language is it?

445 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:59:59am
446 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:00:05pm

re: #420 Aceofwhat?

wait, so now you’re saying that Lewis “didn’t call McCain a racist” (from your earlier post) but he did accuse McCain of stoking racism for political gain?

i think my quibble with a distinction so fine is that i doubt it’s applied evenly. but i admit i have no evidence at hand to back that statement up.

I think the line he’s trying to draw is between yelling the N word at someone, and something like Nixon’s Southern Strategy….

447 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:00:11pm

Duty calls… Have a good one, Lizards.

448 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:00:30pm

A while back Breitbart opened sites like “Big Hollyowood” and “Big Government” where whackballs like the shrieking Harpy hold forth. He should have saved the web devs some efforts and consolidated all of them under “Big Lies.”

449 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:00:33pm
450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:00:39pm

re: #360 Buck

I did not say that. I am saying they DIDN’T provoke a racist response. I am clearly saying they tried to.

so if there’s a bunch of Tea Party wackos protesting in front of a government building, should a black rep just…leave?

Wouldn’t want to provoke the peaceful protest!

451 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:01:10pm

re: #442 _RememberTonyC

Good piece in the Wall St Journal about the future doctor shortage that will be a result of health care reform …

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

I posted about this issue three weeks ago after a conversation with my doctor. I know the President likes to make demands of those he feels more powerful than. And I would like to tell the POTUS that should also include med schools, which ask for $$ help (as well as their accredidation) from the govt. In order to make his dream of “quality health care for all” a reality instead of a hollow promise, he needs to get all the med schools to deliver enough future primary care doctors to service all the medical consumers, including those who had good care prior to this new law. And he needs to do it soon … for the good of all Americans. Every one of us, regardless of political persuasion needs to hold the administration responsible for this.

yep, and licensing NP’s to peform more basic primary care functions. i’ve never met an incompetent NP…they’re great people, and smart too.

452 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #442 _RememberTonyC

Good piece in the Wall St Journal about the future doctor shortage that will be a result of health care reform …

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

I posted about this issue three weeks ago after a conversation with my doctor. I know the President likes to make demands of those he feels more powerful than. And I would like to tell the POTUS that should also include med schools, which ask for $$ help (as well as their accredidation) from the govt. In order to make his dream of “quality health care for all” a reality instead of a hollow promise, he needs to get all the med schools to deliver enough future primary care doctors to service all the medical consumers, including those who had good care prior to this new law. And he needs to do it soon … for the good of all Americans. Every one of us, regardless of political persuasion needs to hold the administration responsible for this.

What’s the problem? We just import more doctors from s from Third-World countries

/

453 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:01:24pm
454 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:02:12pm

re: #376 Aceofwhat?

it was in response to asking if you could be a fan of wallace and not be a racist. no knee to the naughty bits.

455 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:02:13pm

re: #364 Buck

Buck, drop it. All you’re going to get by continuing this is downdings. The rest of the group does not agree with you. Drop this topic and come back later when there’s a different one.

456 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:02:16pm

re: #446 jamesfirecat

I think the line he’s trying to draw is between yelling the N word at someone, and something like Nixon’s Southern Strategy…

whoops, i thought Zora was a “she”…

457 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:02:51pm

re: #445 MandyManners

Lol apologist.

458 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:02:55pm

re: #453 MandyManners

To label all those who attend Tea Party protests as racists based on those assholes is doing just that.

Yes, but to my knowledge no one in this discussion has been labeling all Tea Party protesters as racist, just the one who we believe shouted the N word at representative John Lewis.

459 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:03:08pm
460 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:03:29pm
461 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:04:05pm

re: #454 zora

it was in response to asking if you could be a fan of wallace and not be a racist. no knee to the naughty bits.

ah, then please forgive my flinching!

i am no fan of Wallace. i assume that fans of Wallace are racist on some level. do you think that’s fair? (serious question…i’ve always just assumed it was a logical presumption)

462 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:04:22pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

so if there’s a bunch of Tea Party wackos protesting in front of a government building, should a black rep just…leave?

Wouldn’t want to provoke the peaceful protest!

Darth made a good point upthread a bit

The CBC and other representatives were walking through the crowd not to provoke them, but because they were proud of the legislation they were about to pass, and they felt they had nothing to hide.

And I’ve no doubt that that is an accurate assessment.

But I also know, from my own personal experience working with/for politicians (and Dems at that!), that no politician of either party would pass up a chance to be seen.

463 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:04:52pm

re: #454 zora

it was in response to asking if you could be a fan of wallace and not be a racist. no knee to the naughty bits.

One of the first streets in our town to get high-tech lighting has a stone marker naming it the “George C. Wallace Great White Way”. Most don’t get the irony, and no one calls it that.

464 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:04:55pm
465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:05:01pm

re: #449 MandyManners

Dick Armey passes around racist e-mails? Sarah Palin?

There’s this guy, Dale Robertson: littlegreenfootballs.com

There’s this other guy, Sonny Thomas: daytondailynews.com

Aaaand there’s this other guy, Mark Williams: huffingtonpost.com

Would you like me to continue?

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:05:29pm

re: #120 mojopundit

Why was that so viciously down-dinged?

467 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:05:35pm

re: #456 Aceofwhat?


i am a she.

468 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:05:37pm

re: #453 MandyManners

To label all those who attend Tea Party protests as racists based on those assholes is doing just that.

The organizers are racists.

Period.

Deny if you like.

But it’s true.

469 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:05:39pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Yes, it is incumbent on the rest of them to shout down the racists, to boot them out.

Quite Concur. Once the organizers of a rally become aware of racists at their gathering, they have a clear duty to denounce said racist and make it clear they are not welcome. Failure to do so indicates they are OK with having racism on display at their rally.

470 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:06:00pm

re: #449 MandyManners

Many of the Tea Party organizers/chapter leaders(?) have been shown here to be quite comfortable with that kind of thing. Either circulating it themselves, or simply pretending not to see it within their midst.

This is a fish that most certainly rots from the head down.

471 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:06:12pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

Buck, drop it. All you’re going to get by continuing this is downdings. The rest of the group does not agree with you. Drop this topic and come back later when there’s a different one.

and as one who has persisted on a bad heading longer than it was wise to do so, Buck, if you’re going to keep going, can the cheap shots.

99.9% of the time when both sides on this blog squint their virtual eyes at you, you’re off the rails. i say that from experience.

472 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:06:14pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

No, no you’re missing it.

By her logic, you saying htat means that EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT A TEA PARTY EVER (including the ones in 18th century boston) are racist.

Also by her logic, the members of congress were ‘askin’ for it’.

473 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:07:02pm

re: #464 MandyManners

Life is much better when I engage my GAZE gear.

I’ve been doing more of that lately too … it’s the only way to hang out without constantly getting into arguments that never end well :)

474 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:07:13pm

re: #472 windsagio

No, no you’re missing it.

By her logic, you saying htat means that EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT A TEA PARTY EVER (including the ones in 18th century boston) are racist.

Also by her logic, the members of congress were ‘askin’ for it’.

yeah, see, if there’s one guy at a Klan rally who’s actually had a head injury and thinks he’s at a halloween party, that means the rally’s not racist! :D

475 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:07:57pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Yes, it is incumbent on the rest of them to shout down the racists, to boot them out.


And I think the point of all of this is, instead of doing just that, the response from within the TP movement has been denial, rather than cleaning their own house. It even goes so far as to attack those who would dare to insinuate that there may be some bad apples in the basket.

THIS is why the TP movement gets condemned by rational conservatives, moderates, and liberals alike. The bad apples don’t make the whole group bad, but the group’s continued canonization of those who take the approach of shooting the messenger reveals much about the shared values of the group as a whole.

At some point, you have to condemn the movement. That point has come and gone for myself, and many others.

476 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:08:26pm

re: #345 Buck

I just don’t think that characterizing these rallies as Klan meetings is fair.

So don’t characterize them that way. But insisting that this incident didn’t happen is just silly.

477 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:08:48pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why was that so viciously down-dinged?

See my 135 for why I down-dinged it.

478 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:08:51pm

re: #462 reine.de.tout

And I’ve no doubt that that is an accurate assessment.

But I also know, from my own personal experience working with/for politicians (and Dems at that!), that no politician of either party would pass up a chance to be seen.

sure! They’re politicians, they’re public figures.

479 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:08:54pm

re: #463 Decatur Deb


i grew up in a neighborhood where half of the streets are named for confederate soldiers. the names are all spelled backwards. as is retnag is ganter. it was the site of a battlefield and is predominately black.

480 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:08:58pm

re: #467 zora

i am a she.

yes! i did that one on my own, too!

(Woodstock dance in progress)

481 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:09:01pm

Why do some people have so much trouble putting together a simple sandwich? I had to go over my order like 6 times with the guy “Wheat bread, Mayo, turkey, lettuce, cheddar, bacon” “Did you say you want Mayo?” “Yes” “OK, Tomatoes?” “No.” “What did you want again?”

/facepalm

482 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:09:09pm

bbiab

483 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:09:19pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why was that so viciously down-dinged?

you probably need to search that nic and read the other posts.

484 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:09:42pm
485 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:09:45pm

re: #360 Buck

I did not say that. I am saying they DIDN’T provoke a racist response. I am clearly saying they tried to.

I would not say that, but they were trying to show they were not going to be intimidated by avoiding the protesters, by avoiding them.

486 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:09:54pm

Another terrorist plot thwarted…but sadly, without the use of waterboarding and torture, so it’s not going to get a lot of press:

Chilling new details about the foiled Al Qaeda plot to blow up the city’s busiest subways have emerged as a fourth suspect was quietly arrested in Pakistan, the Daily News has learned.

The unidentified man, who helped plan the plot, is expected to be extradited to the U.S. to be tried in Brooklyn Federal Court with Adis Medunjanin and Zarein Ahmedzay of Flushing, Queens, sources said.

The cooperation of would-be lead bomber Najibullah Zazi has helped law enforcement officials piece together a fuller picture of the evil plan to kill innocent straphangers around the 9/11 anniversary last year.

Zazi and his two Queens friends allegedly planned to strap explosives to their bodies and split up, heading for the Grand Central and Times Square stations - the two busiest subway stations in New York City.

They would board trains on the 1, 2, 3 and 6 lines at rush hour and planned to position themselves in the middle of the packed trains to ensure the maximum carnage when they blew themselves up, sources said.

487 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:10:08pm

re: #445 MandyManners

Damn broad brush.

hahaha if you want to deny the organizers are racist, you keep on doing that, you’re getting a lot of practice lately!

488 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:10:24pm

cool article at cnn about anti-science in america

cnn.com

489 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:10:31pm

re: #469 Dark_Falcon

Saying ‘once the organizers become aware of themselves’ is quite the existential dilemma >>

490 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:10:34pm

littlegreenfootballs.com

I don’t suppose I am the only one who remembers when people would come here and leave horrible comments that were meant to ‘catch us’ as racists.

We even gave the practice a name… we called it Moby, after the pop singer who suggested that people do it.

So we had people from the left coming here and saying the most horrible things (that were racists), and then picking out those comments (within minutes) to prove we all were racists.

We also had to ban a lot of people who did think that the comments were ok make.

HOWEVER it never meant that the great majority of us were racist, or were willing to put up with them in our midst.

Again…. compared to the antisemitism at the anti war rallies during the bush administration…

491 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:10:54pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because McDonald’s don’t serve deli? //

492 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:10:55pm

re: #470 Slumbering Behemoth

Many of the Tea Party organizers/chapter leaders(?) have been shown here to be quite comfortable with that kind of thing. Either circulating it themselves, or simply pretending not to see it within their midst.

This is a fish that most certainly rots from the head down.

That is absolutely true, and very easy to verify, as I discovered it for myself, through my own research, when Killgore started posting about it.

493 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:11:02pm

re: #395 Alouette

Wasn’t that in the movie “The Hangover” where the teacher used his students’ field trip money to pay for his trip to Vegas?

Haven’t seen it, but I have seen some amazing examples of well-paid people losing their jobs for petty theft. Back when I was in graduate school, and lived in rundown rental house near the campus, I noticed that my Sunday paper kept disappearing. I would usually call the paper and they would bring another one but it was quite a nuisance. One morning I got up extra early, and left the paper in the yard after it was thrown. Sure enough, just before daybreak, a little fat chap with a double chin walked right up to my porch, picked up my paper and started to waddle casually away. I ran out and yelled, “Hey, that’s my paper you’re stealing!”
Fatty said it was his and continued to walk away. I ran after him and he turned and swung the paper at me. I knocked him down, bloodying his nose in the process, and tried to get the paper back. A neighbor called the cops. Fatboy claimed I had run out of the house and tried to mug him. He also tried to pull rank, he was a senior bureaucrat in the maintenance department at the very university where I was a student. Two things worked against him: He had my newspaper, and a neighbor had witnessed the whole episode from inside her house. Fatty ended up being charged with petty theft and simple assault. He got probation but lost his 35K a year (in 1981) job.

Another one was a co-worker of a friend of mine at the post office. At one point, some insurance company was sending out junk mail with a shiny new nickel in a little plastic bubble on the envelope. The clod was caught stealing those nickels by squeezaing them out of the bubbles while he ran some kind of processing machine. He had $8 worth of them stashed at his work station, which is a big pile of nickels. Postal inspectors discovered another $23 in his pickup. This Einstein was a senior clerk, so he probably made better than 100K a year. Not anymore though.

494 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:11:15pm
495 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:11:33pm
496 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:11:41pm

re: #468 WindUpBird

Likely not all of them, but enough of them to make the fish stink. That, and those who have such severe libertarian leanings as to make Ayn Rand do a spit take.

497 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:12:09pm

Tiger shot a 69 in the final round of the Masters. 69. Heh heh.

498 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:12:15pm

re: #491 badger1970

Because McDonald’s don’t serve deli? //

This was a deli.

499 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:12:20pm

m>re: #472 windsagio

No, no you’re missing it.

By her logic, you saying htat means that EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT A TEA PARTY EVER (including the ones in 18th century boston) are racist.

Also by her logic, the members of congress were ‘askin’ for it’.

Mm.
No, I don’t think she meant that.

Ren_Man got it

500 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:12:52pm

re: #490 Buck

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Again… compared to the antisemitism at the anti war rallies during the bush administration…

Have a side order of humble pie to wash down your Tu Quoque wine unless you can prove that the people organizing the protests were anti-semetic just like we’ve proven that some of the people organizing the tea parties are racist.

501 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:13:16pm

re: #117 Thanos

No, I just wanted to throw you that bone so you could feel your white victimhood. That’s what it’s all about. You are going to try to imply that when you try to downplay racism that you aren’t a racist and that anyone indicating that is therefor bullying you. We get it.

I never tried to downplayed racism.

502 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:13:18pm
503 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:13:40pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why do some people have so much trouble putting together a simple sandwich? I had to go over my order like 6 times with the guy “Wheat bread, Mayo, turkey, lettuce, cheddar, bacon” “Did you say you want Mayo?” “Yes” “OK, Tomatoes?” “No.” “What did you want again?”

/facepalm

the minimum wage is not always too low…

504 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:13:55pm

re: #498 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ouch. Employee with short-term memory loss syndrome.

505 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:13:58pm

re: #490 Buck

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Again… compared to the antisemitism at the anti war rallies during the bush administration…

On an aside, that anti-semitism is alive and well at anti-war rallies now under the Obama Administration.

506 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:14:30pm

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

the minimum wage is not always too low…

Maybe there just needs to be a minimum aptitude test to earn minimum wage?

507 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:14:41pm

re: #484 MandyManners

What if the racists insist on claiming their right to protest adjacent to the others? Can the others get restraining orders against them?

No. But they can put out a press release making clear where they stand. They can also do minority outreach, make charitable contributions. There are many ways the Tea Party organizers could signal that they are not racist, but they have done none of them. Thus the charge that they are racist has merit.

508 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:14:53pm

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

the minimum wage is not always too low…

Would minimum wage be enough to motivate you to pay attention to a customer order?

509 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:15:07pm

re: #297 lostlakehiker

It’s lying when you say that there’s no N-word on the video…and then it turns out your video was shot at another time.

Imagine the possibilities: I can prove that 9-11 never happened. I just show a video of the towers, standing, and I say that it was taken on 9/12. There. Case proved.

By Breitbart’s standard.

That is not at all what he said.

510 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:15:08pm

re: #484 MandyManners

What if the racists insist on claiming their right to protest adjacent to the others? Can the others get restraining orders against them?

That’s a pretty good argument for the permitting process for large rallys. The organizers can expect help from the gendarmes in keeping their message uncontaminated.

511 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:15:19pm

re: #494 MandyManners

Tea Party groups have sprung up around here yet this is a diverse area filled with good folks. Any racist would be run out of town on a rail.

If that’s true, then I say good for them. But as the evidence has shown, they would certainly be an exception within the overall movement.

512 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:15:38pm

re: #506 jamesfirecat

Maybe there just needs to be a minimum aptitude test to earn minimum wage?

i prefer more employment rather than less employment and higher average wage. nothing like a bad job to make a person want to work towards a better job…

513 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:16:05pm
514 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:16:34pm

re: #502 MandyManners

Scott Brown.

In Brown’s defense (and don’t get me wrong, I don’t care for the guy), he never to my knowledge embraced the Tea Party crowd, and won his election primarily due to the incompetence of his political opponent’s campaign. Had she not taken three weeks off the campaign before election day, she would have won. She just dropped the ball.

Brown’s first vote in the Senate gave me hope that he’d be a moderate. He has since been whipped into obedience by McConnell and company, but he still hasn’t embraced the Tea Party crowd…which, I will say, is smart on his part.

515 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:16:43pm

re: #505 eclectic infidel

On an aside, that anti-semitism is alive and well at anti-war rallies now under the Obama Administration.

Correct, but we don’t say that everyone (Move on, Code pink…) are mostly antisemitic. Or do we?

516 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:16:57pm
517 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:17:27pm

re: #494 MandyManners

Tea Party groups have sprung up around here yet this is a diverse area filled with good folks. Any racist would be run out of town on a rail.

I’m glad. The Tea Parties that have occurred near Chicago have also avoided any racism. But this may be the locals. My neck of the woods is diverse enough that the vast majority of people have learned to deal with those not like them. Thus they may be anti-government, but they’ve learned through experience that racism is hooey.

518 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:18:14pm

re: #504 badger1970

Ouch. Employee with short-term memory loss syndrome.

Plus, he was stuck on his script.

“Do you have that cheddar bread?”
“No.”
“OK, I’ll take wheat.”
“We have Pesto bread, Focacia, Artisan roll..”
“Stop. I’ll take wheat.”
“OK.”
He steps away, steps back
“Did you say wheat?”

519 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:18:15pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

No. But they can put out a press release making clear where they stand. They can also do minority outreach, make charitable contributions. There are many ways the Tea Party organizers could signal that they are not racist, but they have done none of them. Thus the charge that they are racist has merit.

I don’t think it has any merit at all. I think it’s a smear.

520 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:18:16pm
521 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:18:44pm

re: #496 Slumbering Behemoth

Likely not all of them, but enough of them to make the fish stink. That, and those who have such severe libertarian leanings as to make Ayn Rand do a spit take.

I made a biiig post about this, and I’m about to leave so I can’t go find it, but the gist was is that “good folks” spoken of are less racists and more simply tolerating what they’ve tolerated their entire lives, which is casual racism in their midst. They’re used to it to the point where they simply don’t see it anymore. Like Hoosierhoops having that experience with all the racists at the golf course.

They’ll see the creepy Obama signs, they’ll see all the racism everywhere around them, but there’s always a mental justification. Plenty of “good folks” at those rallies, sure! Those “good folks” tolerate attitudes in their friends and family, evil, horrifying attitudes that you and I would NEVER tolerate, because they’ve probably seen far far worse in private. What’s one N*** word when uncle carl has said way worse, and besides, they’re all friends! They hit the right tribal notes, they hang together against a common enemy.

Those are the “good folks.” The folks who are simply ok with it, the public Tea Party protest racism doesn’t really peg their needle, it’s part of the culture. They wouldn’t hurt a black person, but they don’t consider it noteworthy when someone starts tossing around slurs. it’s just not interesting to them.

522 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:19:01pm

re: #516 MandyManners

What if the racists get permits, too? The government cannot get in the business of sanctioning some but not others.

No expert, but I think the permits would be for clearly separate turf. That showed up in some of the Phelps church videos.

523 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:19:20pm

re: #520 MandyManners

you know, her letting herself be branded as ‘elitist’ and ‘dropping the ball by campaigning terribly’ aren’t mutually exclusive >>

524 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:19:22pm

re: #518 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are you sure you’re not on some kind of hidden camera show?

525 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:19:25pm
526 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:20:20pm

re: #522 Decatur Deb

No expert, but I think the permits would be for clearly separate turf. That showed up in some of the Phelps church videos.


How about a separate area reserved for N-word and Obama-as-witch doctor posters?

/

527 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:20:39pm
528 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:20:59pm

re: #520 MandyManners

Coakley lost the race by her words and actions in Massachusettes. She showed her true colors of elitism.

I don’t think ‘elitism’ was her problem. Scott Brown’s just as ‘elite’ as she is. Elitism is an argument thrown about by the likes of Sarah Palin. Coakley assumed she’d win. She didn’t campaign to win. That’s not elitism, it’s arrogance.

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:21:00pm

re: #360 Buck

I did not say that. I am saying they DIDN’T provoke a racist response. I am clearly saying they tried to.

You want we should send down lunch in a bucket, as long as you’re gonna keep digging?

530 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:21:01pm

re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth

Are you sure you’re not on some kind of hidden camera show?

If it was, then whatever network aired it would be sued for having an overly flamboyant gay man making the sandwich.

531 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:21:06pm

re: #519 cliffster

I don’t think it has any merit at all. I think it’s a smear.


There’s this guy, Dale Robertson: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

There’s this other guy, Sonny Thomas: [Link: daytondailynews.com…]

Aaaand there’s this other guy, Mark Williams: [Link: huffingtonpost.com…]


Hey, so does that mean Charles is smearing them? By pointing out their obvious racism? Because that’s what you’re saying.

532 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:21:09pm

re: #453 MandyManners

To label all those who attend Tea Party protests as racists based on those assholes is doing just that.

First of all, nobody here is claiming that everyone attending Tea Party protests is a racist, that is a straw-man of your own creation.
However, what is telling about the incidents is that for the most part, these racists activities are being covertly condoned by the organizers beause they are conspicuously silent with a condemnation of racist protesters.

533 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:22:16pm

re: #526 ralphieboy

How about a separate area reserved for N-word and Obama-as-witch doctor posters?

/

Would certainly happen if the Stormfront-ish types had permits.

534 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:22:17pm
535 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:22:20pm

re: #526 ralphieboy

How about a separate area reserved for N-word and Obama-as-witch doctor posters?

/

“Free speech zones” are so last administration…when the president was afraid of people with opposing views to the point where he kept their protests far enough away that he didn’t have to see them.

536 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:22:34pm

re: #523 windsagio

you know, her letting herself be branded as ‘elitist’ true colors show and ‘dropping the ball by campaigning terribly’ aren’t mutually exclusive >>

fixed!!

;)

537 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:22:38pm

re: #528 darthstar

thats the fascinating thing about that campaign, or really any poltics this year.

Any win by the GOP means that the left is weak and wrong in some way, and any win by the Dems means nothing.

at least thats what they tell me >>

538 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:22:40pm

re: #514 darthstar

In Brown’s defense (and don’t get me wrong, I don’t care for the guy), he never to my knowledge embraced the Tea Party crowd, and won his election primarily due to the incompetence of his political opponent’s campaign. Had she not taken three weeks off the campaign before election day, she would have won. She just dropped the ball.

Brown’s first vote in the Senate gave me hope that he’d be a moderate. He has since been whipped into obedience by McConnell and company, but he still hasn’t embraced the Tea Party crowd…which, I will say, is smart on his part.

Brown knows that he will need support of the GOP apparatus in order to win reelection. Thus he does have to work with them, and that means voting with the party much of the time. Both parties are much less tolerant of Senator who vote against the rest of party then they were 30-35 years ago.

539 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:23:13pm

re: #530 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What do you have against fabulous sandwiches?
/

540 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:23:24pm

re: #538 Dark_Falcon

Heh, the dems seem to have put up with it pretty well on HCR.

541 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:23:40pm

re: #525 MandyManners

And, it’s used by the opposition to dilute the message.

This message?

542 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:24:17pm

re: #541 WindUpBird

This message?

wait a sec, this might be old news.

But is that pic of Obama deliberately darkened?

543 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:24:36pm

re: #535 darthstar

“Free speech zones” are so last administration…when the president was afraid of people with opposing views to the point where he kept their protests far enough away that he didn’t have to see them.

I’m just describing crowd separation, mostly for violence prevention. I’ve seen recent videos of TPs and counterprotestors kept to either side of a wide street.

544 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:24:38pm

re: #518 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plus, he was stuck on his script.

“Do you have that cheddar bread?”
“No.”
“OK, I’ll take wheat.”
“We have Pesto bread, Focacia, Artisan roll..”
“Stop. I’ll take wheat.”
“OK.”
He steps away, steps back
“Did you say wheat?”


Passive-aggressive.

545 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:24:40pm
546 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:24:58pm

re: #532 Reginald Perrin

First of all, nobody here is claiming that everyone attending Tea Party protests is a racist, that is a straw-man of your own creation.
However, what is telling about the incidents is that for the most part, these racists activities are being covertly condoned by the organizers beause they are conspicuously silent with a condemnation of racist protesters.


re: #439 WindUpBird

You’re right, they’re smart enough to know that they can’t get away with wearing those hoods in public.

They’re not KLAN meetings, they’re just meetings that the Klan has, shall we say, a healthy presence at. 8-)

547 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:25:06pm

re: #542 windsagio

A twofer.

549 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:25:58pm

re: #537 windsagio

thats the fascinating thing about that campaign, or really any poltics this year.

Any win by the GOP means that the left is weak and wrong in some way, and any win by the Dems means nothing.

at least thats what they tell me >>

FINALLY a patriotic statement from you///

550 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:26:15pm

re: #540 windsagio


Both parties are much less tolerant of Senator who vote against the rest of party then they were 30-35 years ago


Heh, the dems seem to have put up with it pretty well on HCR.

Huh?? What dem senator voted against HCR?

551 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:26:31pm

re: #538 Dark_Falcon

Brown knows that he will need support of the GOP apparatus in order to win reelection. Thus he does have to work with them, and that means voting with the party much of the time. Both parties are much less tolerant of Senator who vote against the rest of party then they were 30-35 years ago.

Really? Tell that to the “blue dogs”.

552 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:26:40pm

re: #535 darthstar

“Free speech zones” are so last administration…when the president was afraid of people with opposing views to the point where he kept their protests far enough away that he didn’t have to see them.


They don’t have to be far away, just physically separate enough so that the non-racists among the Tea Party protesters do not have to be tarred by association with them…

553 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:26:42pm

re: #544 ryannon

Passive-aggressive.

aka fucking annoying.

554 Buck  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:27:03pm

re: #532 Reginald Perrin


However, what is telling about the incidents is that for the most part, these racists activities are being covertly condoned by the organizers beause they are conspicuously silent with a condemnation of racist protesters.

FALSE

google.ca

555 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:27:10pm

re: #542 windsagio

wait a sec, this might be old news.

But is that pic of Obama deliberately darkened?

Of course it is!

Of course!

BUT THEY’RE GOOD HONEST FOLKS GOD BLESS THEM WITH APPLE PIES

556 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:27:20pm

re: #549 Aceofwhat?

A conservative with humor, we should put you in captivity and breed you with beautiful women.

MUST PRESERVE THE SPECIES! :D

557 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:27:38pm

re: #531 WindUpBird


Hey, so does that mean Charles is smearing them? By pointing out their obvious racism? Because that’s what you’re saying.

I disagree with Charles on this issue.

558 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:27:46pm

re: #552 ralphieboy

They don’t have to be far away, just physically separate enough so that the non-racists among the Tea Party protesters do not have to be tarred by association with them…

Yeah, they’ll have signs:

Patriots against socialism this way

Racists this way.

559 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:28:10pm

re: #550 sattv4u2

Both parties are much less tolerant of Senator who vote against the rest of party then they were 30-35 years ago

Huh?? What dem senator voted against HCR?

Ben Nelson
Blanche Lincoln

560 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:29:03pm

re: #556 windsagio

A conservative with humor, we should put you in captivity and breed you with beautiful women.

MUST PRESERVE THE SPECIES! :D

i support your utopian vision. i will do my duty humbly and for the good of the homeland.

561 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:29:36pm

re: #558 Stanley Sea

Yeah, they’ll have signs:

Patriots against socialism this way

Racists this way.

Won’t that be confusing to many of the attendees? “I’m against socialism, but I hate the New England Patriots!”

562 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:29:48pm

re: #558 Stanley Sea

Yeah, they’ll have signs:

Patriots against socialism this way

Racists this way.


How about

“Blatant, non-apologetic racists this way”

and

“Racists with enough sense to keep their mouths shut in public this way”?

///

563 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:29:54pm

re: #554 Buck

FALSE

[Link: www.google.ca…]

Let’s see….Fox News, Fox News, Celebrifi, Stormfront!?! Nice sources you have there.

564 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:30:11pm

re: #560 Aceofwhat?

i support your utopian vision. i will do my duty humbly and for the good of the homeland.


As will I.
‘cept I may do my duty with enthusiasm, rather than humbly.

565 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:30:22pm

re: #560 Aceofwhat?

I knew I could count on you.


… wait, you’re not in it for the sex are you?

566 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:30:24pm

Pajamas Media: Expose the Party Crashers

“Crash the Tea Party” threatens to try and discredit the Tax Day demonstrations by infiltrating with racist and offensive signs. Turn the tables on them: get pictures of the signs and the people holding them, and we’ll expose them here on PJM.


This should be funny. Maybe we could help them out.

567 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:30:27pm

re: #561 darthstar

Won’t that be confusing to many of the attendees? “I’m against socialism, but I hate the New England Patriots!”

Their flag attire will help them decide.

568 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:31:09pm

re: #551 Fozzie Bear

Really? Tell that to the “blue dogs”.

You mean the ones that caved under party pressure and voted for it, or the ones that took deals for their districts to vote for it, or the onse that voted for HCR and now know they have little to no chance of reelection and are not running?

569 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:31:14pm

re: #567 Stanley Sea

Their flag attire will help them decide.

Stars & Stripes to the left, Stars & Bars to the right. Yep…that’s much simpler. Icon based, too.

570 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:31:54pm

re: #553 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

aka fucking annoying.

You want mayonnaise with that?

571 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:32:15pm

Time to grab a bite to eat…later gators.

572 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:32:20pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

Pajamas Media: Expose the Party Crashers


This should be funny. Maybe we could help them out.

Spelling and syntax are a give-away.

573 Lidane  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:33:13pm

OT, but it looks like it’s starting to hit the fan for Massey’s CEO:

Shareholders call on Massey Energy to fire Don Blankenship

574 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:33:36pm

re: #559 darthstar

Ben Nelson
Blanche Lincoln

They voted “NO” on HCR bill?
The actual BILL
Not some provision, or some amendment or some,,,,
T H E ,, B I L L !?!?!

575 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:33:39pm

Congrats Phil on winning the 2010 Masters!

Youtube Video

best moment - Phil embracing Amy, weakened from breast cancer treatment, just off the 18th green. What a great hero he is for his wife. I hope she gets better soon.

576 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:33:57pm

re: #570 ryannon

You want mayonnaise with that?

Yes.

577 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:34:17pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap.

Let him prove it with real evidence. Otherwise that’s just crazy talk.

Just to show what kind of a crackpot we’re talking about this is coming from Artur Górski:

In late 2006, he spearheaded an initiative - along with other members of LPR, PSL and his own party - to declare Jesus Christ the honorary King of Poland.

On November 5, 2008, a day after Barack Obama’s victory in the presidential election, he called Obama the “black messiah of the new left” and said his victory marks the “end of the civilization of the white man”. On December 4, 2008 the Sejm’s Parliamentary Ethics Commission ordered Górski to apologize publicly for his comments about Barack Obama or to face parliamentary disciplinary proceedings. Górski told the journalists that he probably will apologize but that he had two weeks to make up his mind.

He’d be perfect for starting a Polish Tea Party.

578 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:34:21pm

re: #551 Fozzie Bear

Really? Tell that to the “blue dogs”.

I said “Senators”, not “Congressmen” and even there several Dems would have switched their votes if the Dems had needed them. Both parties are more monolithic than they once were, though the Dems have been a good bit more practical as of late.

579 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:34:27pm

OT: More bad news for Toyota, Consumer reports has given the Lexus GX 460 SUV a very rare “Don’t Buy: Safety Risk” rating after their testing determined that it was at risk of rollover accidents. Seems they need to do some work on the electronic stability controls to prevent rear end sliding.

Video of the test here:
MSNBC Video

580 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:34:55pm

re: #565 windsagio

I knew I could count on you.

… wait, you’re not in it for the sex are you?

are you questioning my patriotism??11?1

581 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:35:08pm

re: #560 Aceofwhat?

i support your utopian vision. i will do my duty humbly and for the good of the homeland.

I think that’s code for “I’ll die in the saddle!”

// Happy trails to you, until we meet again!

582 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:35:36pm

re: #576 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes.

Wait. Did you say “yes” to mayo?

Was that on wheat?

583 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:35:41pm

re: #576 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes.

We also have Salsa; Bearnaise; Grey Poupon; Curry Flavor and Butterscotch.

584 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:36:04pm

re: #568 sattv4u2

You mean the ones that caved under party pressure and voted for it, or the ones that took deals for their districts to vote for it, or the onse that voted for HCR and now know they have little to no chance of reelection and are not running?

surely there were no such deals…why would one need a deal if the bill was so fantabulous?//

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:36:20pm

re: #383 Buck

I NEVER SAID ANYONE PROVOKED ANYONE.

Don’t make shit up

If a group of representatives who are clear about their support of Israel, walk through an “Israel is apartheid” rally are they provoking?

If those reps said someone yelled ‘Kike’ at them, I’d believe it.

Why don’t you?

586 Lidane  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:37:03pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap.

Eh. That’s the Daily Fail. I’d wait for a more reputable source before giving it any credence.

587 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:37:24pm

re: #583 ryannon

We also have Salsa; Bearnaise; Grey Poupon; Curry Flavor and Butterscotch.

My favorite!

588 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:37:35pm

re: #384 eclectic infidel

Is Buck actually arguing that members of the CBC not only purposely tried to provoke a negative response, and the slurs used against them were justified (because of the provocation for merely walking near said rally)?

No, Buck is arguing that members of the CBC tried to provoke a negative reaction, and went in with video cameras to record said negative reaction, but that the virtuous protestors foiled them by not yelling any racial slurs at all.

Buck has gone off the deep end.

589 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:38:21pm

BBL

590 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:38:37pm

re: #515 Buck

Correct, but we don’t say that everyone (Move on, Code pink…) are mostly antisemitic. Or do we?

Actually, Code Pinko has signed on with the whole boycott/divestment/sanctions movement against Israel and at events here in the SF Bay Area, willingly stand with with virulently anti-semitic groups as such groups chant racist/anti-semitic slurs at us - in silent approbation. I would classify Code Pinko as being willing enablers of anti-semitism.

I know very little of Move On, but they do not have a presence at rallies here. We see groups such as Al Awda, Middle East Children’s Alliance (MECA), Berkeley FEllowship of Unitarian Universalists, A.N.S.W.E.R., International Solidarity Movement, American Friends Service Committee (quakers), Jewish Voice for Peace, and Students for Justice in Palestine.

591 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:39:13pm

re: #584 Aceofwhat?

surely there were no such deals…why would one need a deal if the bill was so fantabulous?//

Funny how they screech about “bipartisanship”, when all along there WAS bipartisan agreement ,, AGAINST the bill!

592 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:41:28pm

re: #590 eclectic infidel

and when it happens, 99.9% of the left-leaning here on LGF are quick to condemn.

i like it here.

593 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:41:47pm

re: #591 sattv4u2

Funny how they screech about “bipartisanship”, when all along there WAS bipartisan agreement ,, AGAINST the bill!

Which is why it failed to pass.

594 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:41:57pm
595 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:42:31pm

re: #592 Aceofwhat?

and when it happens, 99.9% of the left-leaning here on LGF are quick to condemn.

i like it here.

It’s the bean bag chairs, the frosty keg-o-beer and plasma TV’s , isn;t it!

596 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:42:59pm

re: #593 garhighway

Which is why it failed to pass.

Health Care Reform FAILED to pass!?!?!

wow ,, who knew!

597 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:43:46pm
598 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:43:54pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

so if there’s a bunch of Tea Party wackos protesting in front of a government building, should a black rep just…leave?

Wouldn’t want to provoke the peaceful protest!

Of course, if they’d gone in around the back, they’d be accused of hiding from the people, elitism, yadda yadda.

I don’t hold a big screaming demo to a very high standard, but I do insist that it should be possible for members of Congress to get through a crowd in Washington without being spit on or called racial slurs.

599 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:44:02pm

re: #596 sattv4u2

Health Care Reform FAILED to pass!?!?!

wow ,, who knew!

It had bipartisan opposition. It must have failed, right?

600 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:44:13pm

re: #592 Aceofwhat?

re: #595 sattv4u2

It’s the bean bag chairs, the frosty keg-o-beer and plasma TV’s , isn;t it!

Oh ,,,and the strippers pole!

BTW ,,, it’s your turn!!

601 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:44:26pm

Who to believe? Of course, this could be one of those ho-axes, too…
crashtheteaparty.org

602 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:44:28pm

re: #451 Aceofwhat?

yep, and licensing NP’s to peform more basic primary care functions. i’ve never met an incompetent NP…they’re great people, and smart too.

My OB/GYN is an NP. I love her.

603 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:45:00pm

re: #582 wrenchwench

Wait. Did you say “yes” to mayo?

Was that on wheat?

Extra tomato?

604 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:45:01pm

re: #599 garhighway

It had bipartisan opposition. It must have failed, right?

Hers’s a dollar. Please pay attention next time

605 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:45:23pm

Yikes!
Man Charged After Making Coffee Naked

A Springfield, Virginia man is facing an indecent exposure charge after a passerby spotted the man naked in his kitchen and reported it to police.

Eric Williamson, 29, is a commercial diver who grew up in Hawaii and rents home with several co-workers. Williamson told FOX 5’s Will Thomas his roommates were not home and he walked into the kitchen to make coffee about 5:30 a.m. Monday.

“Yes, I wasn’t wearing any clothes but I was alone, in my own home and just got out of bed. It was dark and I had no idea anyone was outside looking in at me,” Williamson said.

The complaint came from an unidentified woman who was walking with a 7-year-old boy. A Fairfax County Police spokesman said officers arrested Williamson for indecent exposure because they believe he wanted to be seen naked by the public.

This reminds me of an old cartoon that ridiculing the notoriously heavy-handed 19th century moral crusader Anthony Comstock. The beefy Comstock is shown dragging a frightened young woman into a courtroom by the hair. Comstock declares to the judge: “Your Honor, this woman gave birth to a naked baby!”

606 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:45:25pm

re: #600 sattv4u2

re: #595 sattv4u2

Oh ,,,and the strippers pole!

BTW ,,, it’s your turn!!

It’s my turn on the pole again already? Fine…let me put my heels on…

607 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:45:42pm

re: #593 garhighway

Which is why it failed to pass.

We had Tri-Partisian Ship on our side!

Democrats, an Independent and a Connectucitains for Liberman!

608 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:46:09pm

re: #453 MandyManners

To label all those who attend Tea Party protests as racists based on those assholes is doing just that.

I don’t want to do that. But I do observe that the Tea Party protests seem to attract a certain number of shady groups, and one of these is racists. The TPers are going to continue to have to deal with this.

Breitbart’s approach is exactly the wrong approach.

609 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:46:09pm

Saturday Night Live: Health Care Reform is UnpopularYoutube Video
Armason’s Barack voice is better.

610 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:46:13pm

re: #594 MandyManners

Did you catcht this?

Those women look downright VIOLENT!!!
/

611 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:46:29pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

I’m waiting to see what happens when they try and eject a true believer.

re: #572 Decatur Deb

Yep. If it’s spelled right then the person must be a plant.

612 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:46:49pm

re: #601 tradewind

Who to believe? Of course, this could be one of those ho-axes, too…
[Link: www.crashtheteaparty.org…]

let’s hope. saying racist things to set someone else up and saying racist things because you’re racist are equally heinous.

unless i misread the intention of that link…

613 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:47:24pm

re: #606 Aceofwhat?

It’s my turn on the pole again already? Fine…let me put my heels on…

PUT IT ON! PUT IT ALL ON!

614 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:47:40pm

What the hell is an “agitprop goon”?

615 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:47:45pm
616 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:48:09pm

re: #606 Aceofwhat?

It’s my turn on the pole again already? Fine…let me put my heels on…

WAITRESS,, Check please,,, i’ll be leaving now!

617 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:48:14pm

re: #607 jamesfirecat

We had Tri-Partisian Ship on our side!

Democrats, an Independent and a Connectucitains for Liberman!

And there was a real, honest-to-God Socialist in there somewhere, wasn’t there?

Quite the big tent.

Plus, if I recall, there was a majority of the votes cast.

So perhaps the “bipartisan opposition” was insufficient.

618 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:48:16pm

OT:
This might have some repercussions for the Catholic Church. An Oregon jury found the Boy Scouts of America negligent in its handling of a child abuse scandal and hit the parent organization with punitive damages. The parallels to the ongoing problems with the Catholic Church are striking.

619 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:48:33pm

re: #614 Locker

What the hell is an “agitprop goon”?

The opposite of a “prop goon”? I don’t know, I think it is the insult of the week.

620 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:48:37pm

re: #601 tradewind

Who to believe? Of course, this could be one of those ho-axes, too…
[Link: www.crashtheteaparty.org…]

A group as stupidly fractured as the Tea Party was bound to either implode, or get mocked into irrelevance before long. I just hope they’re gone completely before town-hall season in August.

621 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:48:56pm

re: #471 Aceofwhat?

and as one who has persisted on a bad heading longer than it was wise to do so, Buck, if you’re going to keep going, can the cheap shots.

99.9% of the time when both sides on this blog squint their virtual eyes at you, you’re off the rails. i say that from experience.

Yeah. When the wingnuts and the tranzi progs are ganging up on you, it may be time to reconsider your ideas.

622 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:49:17pm

re: #612 Aceofwhat?

Gotta say that its generally a bad bet to get on the ‘its actually a leftist plot’ bandwagon >>

623 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:49:36pm
624 Lidane  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:49:44pm

re: #605 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes!
Man Charged After Making Coffee Naked

Reason actually prevailed in that case:

Jury clears ‘Naked Guy’ at home of indecent exposure charge

A Fairfax County jury needed fewer than 20 minutes Wednesday to decide that a man who was naked inside his Springfield home last fall, allegedly flashing passersby, was not guilty of indecent exposure.

The acquittal of Erick A. Williamson, 29, ended a long run of bad legal luck that started when he was rousted from his bed at gunpoint by Fairfax police Oct. 19 and questioned about whether he had been standing naked in the doorway and front window of his rental house on Arley Drive.

625 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:04pm

re: #613 SteveC

PUT IT ON! PUT IT ALL ON!

special requests? you better have some benjamins, honey…

626 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:18pm

re: #621 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. When the wingnuts and the tranzi progs are ganging up on you, it may be time to reconsider your ideas.

Up With Tranzi Progs!

627 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:26pm

re: #623 MandyManners

Gotta’ put on my chauffeur cap.


For me later, will you put on the Naughty Nurses outfit again!?!?

{duckin’}

628 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:41pm

re: #614 Locker

What the hell is an “agitprop goon”?

I’m sure you know what a goon is. As for ‘agitprop’:

en.wikipedia.org

629 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:41pm

re: #475 Fozzie Bear

And I think the point of all of this is, instead of doing just that, the response from within the TP movement has been denial, rather than cleaning their own house. It even goes so far as to attack those who would dare to insinuate that there may be some bad apples in the basket.

THIS is why the TP movement gets condemned by rational conservatives, moderates, and liberals alike. The bad apples don’t make the whole group bad, but the group’s continued canonization of those who take the approach of shooting the messenger reveals much about the shared values of the group as a whole.

At some point, you have to condemn the movement. That point has come and gone for myself, and many others.

If I had a Tea Party group—and this is free advice for anyone here who’s involved with one—I would make sure our website or handout or whatever made it clear that bigots are not invited. It costs nothing, and wards off some trouble.

630 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:54pm

Adobe vs. Apple

If anyone was annoyed at Microsoft’s behavior over the years, it’s nothing compared with Apples actions lately, especially around Flash. They are being complete jackasses. I’ll send them an email saying so, from my iPhone.

631 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:50:56pm

I keel you.

I just did my taxes. A whopping $65 dollar refund this year.

632 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:51:02pm

re: #618 lawhawk

OT:
This might have some repercussions for the Catholic Church. An Oregon jury found the Boy Scouts of America negligent in its handling of a child abuse scandal and hit the parent organization with punitive damages. The parallels to the ongoing problems with the Catholic Church are striking.

Do the Boy Scouts have a spiritual leader whose ruling on how to douse a campfire are infallible? Does he live in a sovereign, independent country with Swiss Boy Scout Guards?

633 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:51:26pm

re: #479 zora

i grew up in a neighborhood where half of the streets are named for confederate soldiers. the names are all spelled backwards. as is retnag is ganter. it was the site of a battlefield and is predominately black.

Why are the names spelled backward?

634 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:01pm

re: #620 darthstar
Actually, the link illustrates neither implosion or ’ mocking into irrelevance’. Had it been a reversal of roles, this would have been labeled a Serious Threat to Free Speech.//

635 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:16pm

re: #622 windsagio

Gotta say that its generally a bad bet to get on the ‘its actually a leftist plot’ bandwagon >>

no argument here. i’m happy to wait and see. besides, i have civic duties to fulfill/

636 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:21pm

re: #633 SanFranciscoZionist

Why are the names spelled backward?

Was there an Eel Street?

637 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:24pm

re: #631 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I keel you.

I just did my taxes. A whopping $65 dollar refund this year.

You want mayo with that?

638 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:29pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist

If I had a Tea Party group—and this is free advice for anyone here who’s involved with one—I would make sure our website or handout or whatever made it clear that bigots are not invited. It costs nothing, and wards off some trouble.

Great advice

Problem is, a bigot/racist/homophobe etc etc doesn;t KNOW he/she’s one

They just think they’re ,, well ,, right !

639 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:35pm

re: #484 MandyManners

What if the racists insist on claiming their right to protest adjacent to the others? Can the others get restraining orders against them?

The police should be helpful in keeping the two groups separated. Harder in a big crowd like the one at the Capitol.

640 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:52:57pm

re: #614 Locker

What the hell is an “agitprop goon”?

LOL I’ve been sitting here scratching my head over that!

@lizardoid When did you become an agitprop goon? im asking for ANY EVIDENCE the event occurred. Not claiming that video is proof it didn’t.

So if we never get a video or tape recording that means it didn’t happen….

The evidence is the testimony of at least 3 men. Three very honorable men. Why isn’t that good enough?

641 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:53:01pm

re: #637 ryannon

You want mayo with that?

dammit, cut that shit out

642 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:53:15pm

re: #630 cliffster

Adobe vs. Apple

If anyone was annoyed at Microsoft’s behavior over the years, it’s nothing compared with Apples actions lately, especially around Flash. They are being complete jackasses. I’ll send them an email saying so, from my iPhone.

Enjoy all the new spam coming soon to all your apple devices.

643 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:53:43pm

re: #628 ryannon

I’m sure you know what a goon is. As for ‘agitprop’:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Thanks for the link. I think someone needs to remind this buckethead that an insult isn’t an insult if someone needs wikipedia to figure it out.

644 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:53:50pm

re: #594 MandyManners

I’ve seen the “cpaction” alerts via email but hadn’t seen the blog yet. Thanks!

645 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:53:51pm

re: #637 ryannon

You want mayo with that?

Fuck it, make it the Chipotle dressing.

646 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:54:04pm

re: #631 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I keel you.

I just did my taxes. A whopping $65 dollar refund this year.

I’ll trade returns with you

My check(s) are already made out, but I’ll wait till the 15th to mail them

647 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:54:05pm

re: #641 cliffster

dammit, cut that shit out

You don’t want mayo, sir?

648 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:54:07pm

re: #640 marjoriemoon

The evidence is the testimony of at least 3 men. Three very honorable men. Why isn’t that good enough?

“People lie. The evidence never lies.” - Gil Grissom

649 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:54:08pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s exactly what Jon Voight did a few nights ago in an open letter to tea party groups. (FYI… I’m not, nor do I actually even know, a tea partier.)
I believe his words were ’ look to the right and to the left of you and make sure you know who is joining your company, and clean house if you have to ’ or something like that.
Good advice for any organization.

650 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:54:33pm

re: #624 Lidane

Good…I walk around naked all the time. Hell, I even go outside with the dogs to take a leak without putting on clothes sometimes. Fortunately, I live in a fairly rural area, but as long as a person isn’t pressing themselves against the window or waving their dick at passers-by, then they should be able to dress how they like in their own home. The woman should have simply told her child that it’s not polite to look inside people’s homes…if the kid even saw the guy…sounds like the woman saw him and that was enough for her.

651 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:54:39pm

re: #630 cliffster

They only seemed less evil because they didn’t have the opportunity >>

652 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:55:55pm

re: #490 Buck

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]


Again… compared to the antisemitism at the anti war rallies during the bush administration…

Compared to that, what?

653 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:56:06pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist

If I had a Tea Party group—and this is free advice for anyone here who’s involved with one—I would make sure our website or handout or whatever made it clear that bigots are not invited. It costs nothing, and wards off some trouble.

Worth repeating. It’s so simple, easy, and who’s going to argue? The few folks you really don’t want at the rally anyway? Good!

At some point, not taking this simple step is going to be its own evidence of questionable behavior on the part of the organizers…if it isn’t already…

654 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:57:01pm

re: #650 darthstar

re: #650 darthstar

Hell, I even go outside with the dogs to take a leak without putting on clothes sometimes

You don’t have indoor plumbing?

Do you pee on the same bushes as the dogs, or do you have a designated tree just for you!?!?!

655 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:57:21pm

re: #621 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. When the wingnuts and the tranzi progs are ganging up on you, it may be time to reconsider your ideas.

Odd isn’t it? I mean how tranzis are identified as progressives. That is if they ignore the WTO, IMF and the World Bank. Currently the president of the World Bank is Robert Zoellick and was preceded by Paul Wolfowitz. The WTO, IMF and the World Bank are all de facto tranzi organizations.

The IMF and the WB has a history of also having supported military dictatorships. I guess if one repeats a meme long enough it sticks. The reality is that there are a great deal of what could be called tranzi-cons.

656 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:57:37pm

re: #648 SteveC

“People lie. The evidence never lies.” - Gil Grissom

Just to repeat …. corroborated (thanks garhighway) witness statements are evidence.

657 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:57:49pm

re: #648 SteveC

“People lie. The evidence never lies.” - Gil Grissom

You have a number of people saying they heard it. What would be the reason for John Lewis to lie about it? After all that man has been through. Worse, much worse than walking this gauntlet.

It’s as if the teabaggers have never made any racial slurs ever or anything….

658 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:57:57pm

re: #500 jamesfirecat

Have a side order of humble pie to wash down your Tu Quoque wine unless you can prove that the people organizing the protests were anti-semetic just like we’ve proven that some of the people organizing the tea parties are racist.

They were. But that doesn’t accomplish Buck’s goal of making this incident go away.

659 Carlos Machina  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:58:03pm

A grieving mother has bought a billboard nearby to offer a reward for the arrest and conviction of the people who murdered her son in a nearby park.

Although it’s obvious that someone knows who killed the son, no one has yet stepped up to provide the evidence and claim the reward.

Does that mean that the son was not killed?

660 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:58:10pm

re: #605 Shiplord Kirel

Crazy. Too bad there aren’t laws under which you can sue someone for being an intrusive prude. Maybe the ACLU could get involved. Yes, I’m serious. It just strikes a nerve with me, being a naturist at heart.

661 TunaKiller  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:58:15pm

Good for him. Get it right Charles…

662 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:58:22pm

re: #501 Buck

I never tried to downplayed racism.

Dude, you flat-out denied it!

663 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:58:51pm

re: #651 windsagio

They only seemed less evil because they didn’t have the opportunity >>

yeah I don’t really get too excited about it. Then again, I didn’t get worked up when Microsoft started pushing it’s weight around. And I think I was right. Take browsers for instance. Their behavior didn’t change much, but Firefox seems to be doing pretty good. Likewise for Chrome. I love Chrome, btw.

In the end, if not having flash pisses people off, they’ll buy a gecko. And that’ll probably happen. Then iWhatevers will have Flash. Anybody bitching about not having Silverlight on iStuff?

664 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:58:54pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

Good for him. Get it right Charles…

Explain.

665 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:01pm

re: #628 ryannon

I’m sure you know what a goon is. As for ‘agitprop’:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Breitbart’s a COMMUNIST?!?!

//

666 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:20pm

re: #632 ralphieboy

Do the Boy Scouts have a spiritual leader whose ruling on how to douse a campfire are infallible? Does he live in a sovereign, independent country with Swiss Boy Scout Guards?

He said parallels, not carbon copies, and with regard to the potential application of American law to the Catholic Church in America.

I have a lot of supply chain experience…you want some help with your manufactured outrage inventory management?

667 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:23pm

re: #649 tradewind

That’s exactly what Jon Voight did a few nights ago in an open letter to tea party groups. (FYI… I’m not, nor do I actually even know, a tea partier.)
I believe his words were ’ look to the right and to the left of you and make sure you know who is joining your company, and clean house if you have to ’ or something like that.
Good advice for any organization.

Was that before or after he called the Left liars, traitors and communists?

668 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:26pm

re: #505 eclectic infidel

On an aside, that anti-semitism is alive and well at anti-war rallies now under the Obama Administration.

Yes. Please note, that crew did not, contra populat belief, disappear when Bush left office.

669 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:31pm

re: #650 darthstar

Good…I walk around naked all the time. Hell, I even go outside with the dogs to take a leak without putting on clothes sometimes. Fortunately, I live in a fairly rural area, but as long as a person isn’t pressing themselves against the window or waving their dick at passers-by, then they should be able to dress how they like in their own home. The woman should have simply told her child that it’s not polite to look inside people’s homes…if the kid even saw the guy…sounds like the woman saw him and that was enough for her.

My wife saw a couple screwing in the apartment building next door the other night. Based on how unattractive he was and how attractive his partner was, she hypothesized that his partner was a pro.

And I missed it.

Damn.

670 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:37pm

re: #664 Gus 802

Explain.

I think the explanation is another sock found behind the dryer. 2 posts since Dec 2008.

671 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:59:59pm

re: #665 Sionainn

Breitbart’s a COMMUNIST?!?!

//

Remember you read it here first.

672 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:16pm

re: #654 sattv4u2

re: #650 darthstar

Hell, I even go outside with the dogs to take a leak without putting on clothes sometimes

You don’t have indoor plumbing?

Do you pee on the same bushes as the dogs, or do you have a designated tree just for you!?!?!

I’ve got so many trees I’ll never be able to pee on all of them.

673 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:16pm

re: #667 marjoriemoon

Was that before or after he called the Left liars, traitors and communists?

Whatever happened to Jon Voight’s car?

674 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:17pm

re: #633 SanFranciscoZionist

i don’t know. i always supposed it was to curb opposition that may have arisen when they named the streets.

675 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:18pm

re: #653 Aceofwhat?

Worth repeating. It’s so simple, easy, and who’s going to argue? The few folks you really don’t want at the rally anyway? Good!

At some point, not taking this simple step is going to be its own evidence of questionable behavior on the part of the organizers…if it isn’t already…

I’d argue it is already. There have been enough allegations and evidence that the issue needs to be addressed. Its not that hard to do. The Tea Party express could solve many of its problems by simply making clear that they won’t work with or support racists. After you do that, you find a racist who has been to a tea party or two and denounce and attack him. The president has the right idea: Demonstrate that you are not going to be ‘with’ such people by throwing one under the bus.

676 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:23pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

Good for him. Get it right Charles…

Did you even read the post?

677 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:57pm

re: #659 Carlos Machina

Does that mean that the son was not killed?

I understand your point, BUT, Bad analogy. The mother has the corpus delecti, i.e the lifeless corps as “proof” there was a crime

678 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:00:57pm

re: #665 Sionainn

Breitbart’s a COMMUNIST?!?!

//

That’s at least as credible as some of Breitbart’s own claims.

679 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:01:04pm

re: #654 sattv4u2

re: #650 darthstar

Hell, I even go outside with the dogs to take a leak without putting on clothes sometimes

You don’t have indoor plumbing?

Do you pee on the same bushes as the dogs, or do you have a designated tree just for you!?!?!

I admit that i’m with Darthstar on this. Why stand there while the dog is busy shifting from foot to foot when there’s an open bush in the backyard?

680 zora  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:01:04pm

re: #636 ralphieboy

no.

681 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:01:36pm

re: #515 Buck

Correct, but we don’t say that everyone (Move on, Code pink…) are mostly antisemitic. Or do we?

I sure as hell do. (Maybe not MoveOn. Don’t know them well.) Code Pink, ANSWER…they’re goddamn anti-Semites.

Where do you think you ARE? This is LGF.

682 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:01:37pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

Good for him. Get it right Charles…

Breitbart is a moron. The majority of people that comment at his sites make Beavis and Butthead look like geniuses.

683 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:02:11pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

Another sleeper awakes.

684 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:02:19pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

Good for him. Get it right Charles…

Get what right, exactly?

685 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:02:51pm

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist


Where do you think you ARE? This is LGF.

requoted and bolded for emphasis ;)

686 ryannon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:03:40pm

re: #682 Gus 802

Breitbart is a moron. The majority of people that comment at his sites make Beavis and Butthead look like geniuses.

“TP for my butthole!”

Not only geniuses, they were prophetic.

687 Ericus58  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:03:42pm

A Sleeper for over a year… and he fires off a dud….. *snicker*

688 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:04:27pm

re: #656 Locker

Just to repeat … corroborated (thanks garhighway) witness statements are evidence.

re: #657 marjoriemoon

You have a number of people saying they heard it. What would be the reason for John Lewis to lie about it? After all that man has been through. Worse, much worse than walking this gauntlet.

It’s as if the teabaggers have never made any racial slurs ever or anything…

I think Gil was just looking for an excuse to dust something for fingerprints…

Nick: 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer! Take one down, dust for prints, run it through APHIS -

*WTF look from Catherine”

Nick: Hey, I work for Grissom.

689 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:04:32pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

TunaKiller

Karma: -2
(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 30, 2008 at 7:23 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

A sleeper awakes.

GAZE

690 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:04:48pm

re: #488 SpaceJesus

cool article at cnn about anti-science in america

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Excellent … if i had Multipass! You would get multi-dings

691 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:04:53pm

re: #657 marjoriemoon

What would be the reason for John Lewis to lie about it?


I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

692 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:04:59pm

re: #686 ryannon

“TP for my butthole bunghole!”

Not only geniuses, they were prophetic.

FTFY

693 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:05:09pm

re: #686 ryannon

“TP for my butthole!”

Not only geniuses, they were prophetic.

Just say no to cappuccino!1!!!

694 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:05:19pm

re: #679 Aceofwhat?

I admit that i’m with Darthstar on this. Why stand there while the dog is busy shifting from foot to foot when there’s an open bush in the backyard?

K ,,, juts happy I don;’t live downwind!

I lived in the city for many a year, and the smell of human urine in an ally on a steamy August night never leaves you!

695 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:05:31pm

re: #688 SteveC

I think Gil was just looking for an excuse to dust something for fingerprints…

Nick: 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer! Take one down, dust for prints, run it through APHIS -

*WTF look from Catherine”

Nick: Hey, I work for Grissom.

ROTFLMAO!

696 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:05:39pm

re: #630 cliffster

Adobe vs. Apple

If anyone was annoyed at Microsoft’s behavior over the years, it’s nothing compared with Apples actions lately, especially around Flash. They are being complete jackasses. I’ll send them an email saying so, from my iPhone.

Bullshit like this is why I prefer to use FOSS software whenever possible. (Free and Open Source)

If you aren’t already a linux fan, I relish any opportunity to show people that you can in fact to just about anything you want to do without ever using an apple or MS program. MS software is generally bloated and craptastic from a programming standpoint, and Apple generally behaves as though you are merely renting when you purchase hardware from them.

A pox on both their houses! I’ll stick to my android phone, my Gentoo server, my Ubuntu workstation, and my slackware netbook. Nerd POWAAAAA

697 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:06pm

re: #691 tradewind

I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

Since when has John Lewis been anything like Al Sharpton?

698 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:11pm

re: #689 Dark_Falcon

TunaKiller

Karma: -2
(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 30, 2008 at 7:23 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

A sleeper awakes.

GAZE

No tuna around here, bro. But I hear they’re casting the new season of Deadliest Catch.

699 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:13pm

re: #685 windsagio

That quote needs one of these.

700 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:24pm

AHA! The state of CA actually owes me $150 buck this year. HUZZAH!

701 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:42pm

re: #673 garhighway

Whatever happened to Jon Voight’s car?

That was John Voight’s car!

702 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:52pm

re: #663 cliffster

yeah I don’t really get too excited about it. Then again, I didn’t get worked up when Microsoft started pushing it’s weight around. And I think I was right. Take browsers for instance. Their behavior didn’t change much, but Firefox seems to be doing pretty good. Likewise for Chrome. I love Chrome, btw.

In the end, if not having flash pisses people off, they’ll buy a gecko. And that’ll probably happen. Then iWhatevers will have Flash. Anybody bitching about not having Silverlight on iStuff?

Not gecko - Android. Whoops. I M SOFA KING WE TODD DID.

703 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:06:55pm

re: #667 marjoriemoon
Wasn’t paying close enough attention to get the timeline.
He might have been responding to the left calling his party a bunch of a racist homophobic bigots, though .
That must be especially hard to take if you’re an African American caught at one of the tea party rallies.

704 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:07:35pm

Ok multitasking a lot lately… some pls ‘splain:

Tranzi=???
Tranziprog=???

705 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:08:01pm

re: #700 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AHA! The state of CA actually owes me $150 buck this year. HUZZAH!

GREAT ,,, you should be recieving your refumd just in time to pay NEXT years taxes!!

706 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:08:39pm

re: #701 marjoriemoon

That was John Voight’s car!

George!!!

707 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:08:41pm

re: #691 tradewind

uh what exactly does Lewis have in common with sharpton that would make me doubt Lewis’ word?

708 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:08:42pm

re: #700 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AHA! The state of CA actually owes me $150 buck this year. HUZZAH!

Good f’n luck getting it!

709 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:09:02pm

re: #691 tradewind

I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

The character of the two you men mentioned herein is MILES apart.

Why would you even mention Sharpton in the same context as Lewis?

710 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:09:06pm

re: #687 Ericus58

A Sleeper for over a year… and he fires off a dud… *snicker*

Right? If i’m gonna lay in wait for a whole year, you’d better believe i’m going out in style. I don’t want to put words in Charles’ mouth, but i’m more annoyed by the lack of style than the actual flounce.

Is it too much to ask a troll to put some stank in it when they take a swing?

711 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:09:34pm

re: #691 tradewind

I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

Hmmm. Why’s that? Because John Lewis is black and Al Sharpton is black. Al Sharpton is black and has lied in the past about a racial attack so ergo Al Sharpton represents all blacks?

712 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:10:00pm

Tunakiller is probably chortling over his witty jab while stuffing his/her pie hold with Doritos.
/

713 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:10:20pm

re: #708 SteveC

Good f’n luck getting it!

I’ll just pay for my driver’s license renewal and car registration this year with an IOU till they pay me.

/

714 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:10:49pm

re: #703 tradewind

Wasn’t paying close enough attention to get the timeline.
He might have been responding to the left calling his party a bunch of a racist homophobic bigots, though .
That must be especially hard to take if you’re an African American caught at one of the tea party rallies.

My point is, after listening to that little tirade by Voight, how he completely and totally demonized the left as the lowest of the low, he can stuff it up the wazoo. He’s a nutbag.

715 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:10pm

re: #697 Sionainn
I didn’t say he was. I was giving a scenario in which someone might lie about being attacked with race as the underlying motive.
No doubt some nutcases could have shouted insults at Lewis et al . And in this media age, I’m sure some footage will
surface sooner or later, and when it does, the creeps who yelled will have rightly have to answer for it.

716 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:12pm

BBIAB ,, the deer ar by thw back fence.

Means they’ve eaten all thew feed I put out there and want more

717 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:22pm

re: #711 Gus 802

Hmmm. Why’s that? Because John Lewis is black and Al Sharpton is black. Al Sharpton is black and has lied in the past about a racial attack so ergo Al Sharpton represents all blacks?

Well you went and said it :p

718 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:29pm

re: #705 sattv4u2

GREAT ,,, you should be recieving your refumd just in time to pay NEXT years taxes!!

They actually mailed my refund very quickly.
I was shocked! And, yes, the check cleared!

719 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:37pm

re: #711 Gus 802

if she has a big nose and floats then she must be made of wood and therefore she’s a witch!

720 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:43pm

re: #712 eclectic infidel

Pie holds are only good for holding pies, cakes, or pizzas. If you try stuffing them with Doritos, the chips just fall through the grill.

721 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:11:55pm

re: #638 sattv4u2

Great advice

Problem is, a bigot/racist/homophobe etc etc doesn;t KNOW he/she’s one

They just think they’re ,, well ,, right !

True, but you’ll get people who might want to join but are worried about the bigot factor, some bigots may think you’re PC pansies and stay away, and when contacted by the press you can refer to you organization’s official policy.

722 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:12:33pm

re: #710 Aceofwhat?

Right? If i’m gonna lay in wait for a whole year, you’d better believe i’m going out in style. I don’t want to put words in Charles’ mouth, but i’m more annoyed by the lack of style than the actual flounce.

Is it too much to ask a troll to put some stank in it when they take a swing?

Paraphrasing one of my favorite quotes from any book, “I’m spending a lot of time buidling up a reputation for honesty and credibility so when something really important comes along, I can blow it.”

723 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:13:03pm

re: #649 tradewind

That’s exactly what Jon Voight did a few nights ago in an open letter to tea party groups. (FYI… I’m not, nor do I actually even know, a tea partier.)
I believe his words were ’ look to the right and to the left of you and make sure you know who is joining your company, and clean house if you have to ’ or something like that.
Good advice for any organization.

Very.

724 Ericus58  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:13:35pm

Israel warns citizens to leave Sinai amid terror fears

news.bbc.co.uk

“Israel has issued an “urgent” warning to its citizens to leave Sinai in Egypt amid fears of a terrorist plot.

The prime minister’s office said it had “concrete evidence” that terrorists were planning to attempt to kidnap Israelis in the peninsula.

Israel took the unusual step of calling on families of the Israelis who are visiting Sinai to contact them.”

725 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:14:01pm

re: #694 sattv4u2

K ,,, juts happy I don;’t live downwind!

I lived in the city for many a year, and the smell of human urine in an ally on a steamy August night never leaves you!

yuck. outdoor relief is only permissible in natural settings. peeing in an alley is never cool.

726 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:14:01pm

re: #714 marjoriemoon

My point is, after listening to that little tirade by Voight, how he completely and totally demonized the left as the lowest of the low, he can stuff it up the wazoo. He’s a nutbag.

Yep. The guy’s a loon.

You can’t “redeem” yourself with an admonition to not tolerate extremists, when you are yourself the same guy who called half the country “tyrants and traitors”.

Fuck you Mr. Voight.

727 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:14:13pm

re: #715 tradewind

I didn’t say he was. I was giving a scenario in which someone might lie about being attacked with race as the underlying motive.
No doubt some nutcases could have shouted insults at Lewis et al . And in this media age, I’m sure some footage will
surface sooner or later, and when it does, the creeps who yelled will have rightly have to answer for it.

No, it isn’t that “someone COULD HAVE yelled”, someone DID yell. A number of people heard it and it’s not like it would have been out of place.

None of us was there. No tapes or videos may ever surface and if it’s just going to be their word against Breitbart and his ilk, I’ll gladly stand with Lewis.

728 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:14:19pm

re: #704 Thanos

Ok multitasking a lot lately… some pls ‘splain:

Tranzi=Tranziprog=Transnational Progressive

The term properly is used to leftist who desire to supplant national systems of government with international ones. Not all those who are progressives fall into this category. However, some people lump all left-liberals into the “tranzi” category.

729 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:16:16pm

re: #661 TunaKiller

jackass

730 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:16:42pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

I have never met a single progressive who would fit that strange category.

The most powerful transnational interests are the corporations, which are not very progressive.

731 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:17:00pm

re: #724 Ericus58

Israel warns citizens to leave Sinai amid terror fears

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

“Israel has issued an “urgent” warning to its citizens to leave Sinai in Egypt amid fears of a terrorist plot.

The prime minister’s office said it had “concrete evidence” that terrorists were planning to attempt to kidnap Israelis in the peninsula.

Israel took the unusual step of calling on families of the Israelis who are visiting Sinai to contact them.”

Al Qaeda has mounted attacks in the Sinai before. They’d love to kill Israelis, but thankfully Israel knows this and is watchful. Hopefully, the Egyptians catch the assholes planning this terror attack and drop them down into a dark cell.

732 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:17:09pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

Like NWO crap?

That’s pretty brilliant >>

733 Ericus58  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:18:52pm

China shows off its fighter jets to the world

news.bbc.co.uk

“China has given the world a glimpse of its air force at a special performance by a display team.

Four Chinese-made J-10 fighters put on a show of aerial stunts at a military base just outside the city of Tianjin.”

A word comes to mind….. Grippen.

734 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:19:19pm

And this just in: Congress may have just screwed themselves.

For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.

735 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:19:35pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

You must realize that this represents an infinitesimal minority of American progressives.

736 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:19:47pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

The term properly is used to leftists who desire to supplant national systems of government with international ones. Not all those who are progressives fall into this category. However, some people lump all left-liberals into the “tranzi” category.

PIMF

re: #730 Obdicut

I have never met a single progressive who would fit that strange category.

The most powerful transnational interests are the corporations, which are not very progressive.

There are those who want to strengthen the UN, for instance, at the expense of individual nation’s sovereignty. An example would be the international pressure group that jump at the chance to accuse western forces of “war crimes”. your statement about corporations is, of course, correct.

737 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:19:57pm

re: #714 marjoriemoon

My point is, after listening to that little tirade by Voight, how he completely and totally demonized the left as the lowest of the low, he can stuff it up the wazoo. He’s a nutbag.

just as long as you have the same attitude about the thousands in hollywood who do the same to the right all day every day!

738 SteveC  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:22:19pm

Science can be… strange!

Academic Emergency Medicine has published a study sponsored by Taser International showing the effect of a Taser on a sheep on Meth. If that doesn’t make you want to read an abstract, nothing will.

739 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:22:48pm

re: #735 Fozzie Bear

You must realize that this represents an infinitesimal minority of American progressives.

Not that small, but clearly not the majority. My intention was to draw the definition small, both for clarity and to make it clear that I’m not the type to hurl “Tranzi!” around. I wanted to keep things limited and well-defined.

740 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:23:11pm

re: #730 Obdicut

I have never met a single progressive who would fit that strange category.

The most powerful transnational interests are the corporations, which are not very progressive.

que? corporations don’t want european regulations in lieu of ours, mon ami.

741 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:23:17pm

re: #727 marjoriemoon

….And it’s not like it would have been out of place.


Oh, well in that case…. no further argument needed./

742 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:23:17pm

re: #736 Dark_Falcon

Okay. Nuremberg was an international war crimes tribunal. Was support for that ‘progressive’? Is support for the UN having any power progressive?

The people you’re talking about are an insipid and powerless minority. The World Bank and multinational corporations, many of whom wield more worldwide power and influence than a lot of companies, have far more invested in breaking down sovereignty, and they continue to try to do so.

There is a reason why Halliburton relocated HQ to Dubai, in a move so blatantly unpatriotic it still takes my breath away.

743 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:23:25pm

re: #738 SteveC

Science can be… strange!

“Don’t taze me, BAAAAHHHH!”

744 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:23:33pm

re: #691 tradewind

I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

Please explain any possible reason for comparing John Lewis even indirectly to Al Sharpton?

745 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:23:34pm

re: #740 Aceofwhat?

que? corporations don’t want european regulations in lieu of ours, mon ami.

What are you talking about?

746 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:24:55pm

My my, how obsessed we are with image

Britney Spears, before and after the airbrush. Subtle, but telling.

747 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:24:57pm

re: #737 Aceofwhat?

just as long as you have the same attitude about the thousands in hollywood who do the same to the right all day every day!

Voight is pretty vocal. And he has some nerve to criticize anyone when his personal life is a shambles.

From what I recall of this particular tape, Voight repeated all the crap that’s said about the Left on every rightwing blog. Traitors, commies, liars, blah blah blah. How we’re ruining the country with healthcare, blah blah blah. Death panels, more blah blah.

Meanwhile, the Left actually had specific criticism about Bush. The war, the patiriot act, Gitmo, torture, the list is long. So I don’t see how the two are even remotely similar.

748 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:26:08pm

re: #720 Slumbering Behemoth

Pie holds are only good for holding pies, cakes, or pizzas. If you try stuffing them with Doritos, the chips just fall through the grill.

Yeah yeah, PIMF is truly my friend, especially without a quick edit tool.

But now I have to ask (and makes me feel ok about the spelling error), how does a pie hold work if there is a grill? Is the grill there to allow the escaping of heat once the food has been cooked?

749 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:26:14pm

re: #744 SanFranciscoZionist
I would just go with the ’ even indirectly’ in that question, because that’s the only part that’s even indirectly relevant.

750 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:26:41pm

re: #741 tradewind

Oh, well in that case… no further argument needed./

If the Right would spend even a minute of the time they spend on trying to prove Lewis a liar, if they would spend that time actually telling the teabaggers to get rid of their racist diatribes, then we’d have something to talk about.

751 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:27:27pm

re: #745 Obdicut

What are you talking about?

let me back up. rather than assume i know what you meant, i should ask. i agree that a multinational company, like any other company, is not an altruistic institution. i don’t understand, though, how it compares to a person who wishes, for example, that the USA would submit to the ICOJ?

sorry for leaping to a presumption, a thing i’m all too happy to point out in others.

752 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:27:30pm

re: #742 Obdicut

Okay. Nuremberg was an international war crimes tribunal. Was support for that ‘progressive’? Is support for the UN having any power progressive?

The people you’re talking about are an insipid and powerless minority. The World Bank and multinational corporations, many of whom wield more worldwide power and influence than a lot of companies, have far more invested in breaking down sovereignty, and they continue to try to do so.

There is a reason why Halliburton relocated HQ to Dubai, in a move so blatantly unpatriotic it still takes my breath away.

Points taken. Please do understand I wasn’t trying to run some loony theory. Thanos asked for a definition of a term, I was trying to provide both a correct definition and the “expanded wingnut definition”. And Nuremberg was agreed to by the four major Allied powers. In some ways, it was progressive, but that does not discredit it. Not everything labeled “progressive” is simply to be rejected out of hand. Glen Beck takes that view, but I do not.

753 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:29:22pm

re: #748 eclectic infidel

Is the grill there to allow the escaping of heat once the food has been cooked?

Yes, exactly. It also serves the dual purpose of thwarting the actions of Dorito stuffers. Nasty bunch, they.

754 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:31:20pm

re: #747 marjoriemoon

Voight is pretty vocal. And he has some nerve to criticize anyone when his personal life is a shambles.

From what I recall of this particular tape, Voight repeated all the crap that’s said about the Left on every rightwing blog. Traitors, commies, liars, blah blah blah. How we’re ruining the country with healthcare, blah blah blah. Death panels, more blah blah.

Meanwhile, the Left actually had specific criticism about Bush. The war, the patiriot act, Gitmo, torture, the list is long. So I don’t see how the two are even remotely similar.

Puh
leeze

“It’s quite amazing that ‘liberal’ nowadays has become a swear word as in the history of our country it always meant to be on the side of justice. It started with the witchhunt in Salem, the conservatives’ point of view was: ‘Burn them at the stake’, and the liberals’ point of view was: ‘There are no witches.”

George Clooney

755 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:31:30pm

re: #746 cliffster

My my, how obsessed we are with image

Britney Spears, before and after the airbrush. Subtle, but telling.

It should be noted that Britney herself had those unretouched photos released. She still looks good in them, and the flaws are what you’d expect from having two children in quick succession and then taking care of them. Plus, she’s bi-polar and that can make it hard to maintain one’s perfect weight. I give her a lot of credit for putting those photos out and being honest.

756 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:33:49pm

re: #750 marjoriemoon

If the Right would spend even a minute of the time they spend on trying to prove Lewis a liar, if they would spend that time actually telling the teabaggers to get rid of their racist diatribes, then we’d have something to talk about.

well, on this subject we might have less to talk about, but i find that to be a positive thing!

757 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:35:05pm

OT:

I just discovered that Glenn Beck is penning a book, to be called “The Overton Window”…

The irony is bone-crushing. I imagine in up-is-down-land (Mr. Beck’s home) he will contend that liberals have shifted the Overton window of acceptable debate to the left under Obama. I think it’s a near certainty.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

758 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:35:38pm

re: #749 tradewind

I would just go with the ’ even indirectly’ in that question, because that’s the only part that’s even indirectly relevant.

i’m not sure this sentence serves its intended purpose, given that i have no idea what its intended purpose was.

just sayin’

759 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:35:39pm

re: #757 Fozzie Bear

OT:

I just discovered that Glenn Beck is penning a book, to be called “The Overton Window”…

The irony is bone-crushing. I imagine in up-is-down-land (Mr. Beck’s home) he will contend that liberals have shifted the Overton window of acceptable debate to the left under Obama. I think it’s a near certainty.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

It’s actually supposed to be a novel.

760 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:35:52pm

re: #747 marjoriemoon

Meanwhile, the Left actually had specific criticism about Bush

McChimp
BusHitler
Frat boy
Stupid
Born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth
drunkard
draft dodger

YUP ,, very “specific”!

761 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:38:00pm

re: #755 Dark_Falcon

It should be noted that Britney herself had those unretouched photos released. She still looks good in them, and the flaws are what you’d expect from having two children in quick succession and then taking care of them. Plus, she’s bi-polar and that can make it hard to maintain one’s perfect weight. I give her a lot of credit for putting those photos out and being honest.

Did she? That’s cool. I’m glad she did. She looks great.

762 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:38:15pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

Thanks! Got it.

763 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:38:15pm

Just been challenged to a game this weekend. My Space Wolves versus Tyranids. THE GAME IS AFOOT!

764 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:39:02pm

re: #760 sattv4u2

hmmm fratboy was true (legacy pledge), Stupid was is a matter of opinion (i think he was pretty dense). silver spoon was true, he was a dry drunk if anything and served in the Texas ANG to avoid going to vietnam so while technically he wasn’t a draft dodger he did dodge combat.

765 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:39:30pm

re: #763 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just been challenged to a game this weekend. My Space Wolves versus Tyranids. THE GAME IS AFOOT!

That’s Warhammer 40K, I do know that.

766 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:39:37pm

re: #763 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just been challenged to a game this weekend. My Space Wolves versus Tyranids. THE GAME IS AFOOT!

So was that Mayo again? On white bread?
/Sorry.. you made me laugh earlier

767 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:39:41pm

re: #760 sattv4u2

Meanwhile, the Left actually had specific criticism about Bush

McChimp
BusHitler
Frat boy
Stupid
Born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth
drunkard
draft dodger

YUP ,, very “specific”!

Yep. Clearly, everyone who thought going to war on two fronts while cutting taxes, curbing basic civil liberties, engaging actively in torture, suspending Habeus Corpus, withdrawing from the Geneva Conventions, and more, is clearly a name slinging simpleton.

//

If the tea party nutbags != the right, then clearly, this sort of thing != the left.

768 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:39:54pm

re: #754 Aceofwhat?

not that i do not intend to defend Voight’s remarks; rather, i am trying to illustrate the impossibility of taking Hollywood folks at their word. With a very few exceptions, they aren’t worth our time…

769 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:39:59pm

re: #761 cliffster

Good enough to eat!
/imsobad

770 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:00pm

re: #750 marjoriemoon
So you must think that the nation is sinking into an abyss of racism?//

When it comes to major issues confronting the nation, 48% of voters now say the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Obama is. Forty-four percent (44%) hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own.
Fifty-two percent (52%) believe the average member of the Tea Party movement has a better understanding of the issues facing America today than the average member of Congress.


rasmussenreports.com

771 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:08pm

re: #754 Aceofwhat?

Puh
leeze

“It’s quite amazing that ‘liberal’ nowadays has become a swear word as in the history of our country it always meant to be on the side of justice. It started with the witchhunt in Salem, the conservatives’ point of view was: ‘Burn them at the stake’, and the liberals’ point of view was: ‘There are no witches.”

George Clooney

Well I don’t have any idea what that means, but let me start with this. I got an email today which brings up the points that the Left complained about during the Bush Admin. It was entitled “Where were the Angry People during the Bush years?”

You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.

You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn’t get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn’t get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.

You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn’t get mad when the national debt doubled under the previous President from $5.674 trillion to $10.024 trillion.

You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans and the President lied about it.

You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden.

You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn’t get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

Maybe a little repetitive… but these are real problems that the Left had. Legitimate concerns. I don’t know what the hell the Teabaggers are moaning about.

772 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:25pm

re: #764 Dreggas

hmmm fratboy was true (legacy pledge), Stupid was is a matter of opinion (i think he was pretty dense). silver spoon was true, he was a dry drunk if anything and served in the Texas ANG to avoid going to vietnam so while technically he wasn’t a draft dodger he did dodge combat.

waytomissthepoint

But nice (heh) rant!

773 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:33pm

re: #765 Dark_Falcon

That’s Warhammer 40K, I do know that.

Tom knows that too. M O O N — that spells Warhammer.

774 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:40pm

re: #766 HoosierHoops

So was that Mayo again? On white bread?
/Sorry.. you made me laugh earlier

EAT PLASMA FIRE, HERETIC!

775 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:48pm

re: #758 Aceofwhat?
S’okay… you’re not the only one.
:)

776 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:40:58pm

re: #691 tradewind

I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

WOW

777 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:41:57pm

re: #770 tradewind

Rassmusen: We do polls the RIGHT way

778 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:42:34pm

re: #769 Slumbering Behemoth

Good enough to eat!
/imsobad

Hit me baby one more time

779 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:42:50pm

re: #771 marjoriemoon
That list is so full of distortions and outright fabrications that the mind reels.

780 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:43:03pm

So is Brietbart’s tweet a walk back? Er why put the exit video up at all? Just having it both ways I guess.

781 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:43:23pm

re: #777 Dreggas
Sorry…. I really tried to find the latest from CrooksandLiars, but they were still working on theirs.

782 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:43:36pm

re: #771 marjoriemoon

that’s fine. see #768. hollywood types say crazy things about the right and the left. if Voight is beyond the pale, then i’ll agree with you, but i have a sackful of other folks to add to the list.

or we could just ignore what hollywood types say. i’m just insensitive to the left being hurt by insensitive comments from an actor!

783 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:43:48pm

re: #740 Aceofwhat?

que? corporations don’t want european regulations in lieu of ours, mon ami.

And they don’t want ours if they can find looser ones. The transnational interests of corporations is to find the loosest possible regulatory environment and shift as much business to that environment as possible. Thus Panamanian-flagged merchant ships, for example.

784 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:43:55pm

re: #777 Dreggas

Rassmusen: We do polls the RIGHT way

Democratic-leaning pollster Nate Silver has called Rassmusen “the one I’d want with me on a desert island.”

That said, fivethirtyeight.com is a great logic-based poll-analysis site. He’s a liberal, but he’s reality-based, so you might appreciate it.

785 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:44:03pm

re: #771 marjoriemoon

Maybe a little repetitive… but these are real problems that the Left had. Legitimate concerns. I don’t know what the hell the Teabaggers are moaning about.

Some of those are the reaon I am so skeptical when people claim the TPers were just galvanized by the horror! the horror! that is Obama’s fiscal recklessness.

786 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:44:10pm

re: #770 tradewind

So you must think that the nation is sinking into an abyss of racism?//

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

Yes. And according to Gallup 44 percent think that humans were created by a Spaghetti Monster.

787 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:44:15pm

re: #765 Dark_Falcon

That’s Warhammer 40K, I do know that.

Norsemen in power armor with automatic weapons verus a scuttling horde of chitinous death spells win in my book.

788 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:44:33pm

Ah well

BBL

Going for my late afternoon/ early evening nap before heading into work

work work work work,, Hello Boys !!

789 Lidane  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:44:44pm

re: #691 tradewind

I don’t know about this situation, but you might start with Al Sharpton if you wanted a reason for someone to lie about a racial attack. He’s had some experience.

You’re seriously comparing John Lewis to Al Sharpton?

Not cool. At all.

790 simoom  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:45:03pm

Anyone catch the RNC’s latest web ad?Youtube Video
Nice imagery — terrified white guy being chased through dark city streets.

791 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:45:11pm

re: #780 Rightwingconspirator

So is Brietbart’s tweet a walk back? Er why put the exit video up at all? Just having it both ways I guess.

I think it’s pretty clear. He tried to misrepresent what the video was depicting, then acted like he had never represented otherwise.

This is the *exact* same tactic he used with the acorn videos: Creative editing, omission, and misrepresentation. Then, when caught, deny, obfuscate, and shoot the messenger.

The guy would be dangerous if he weren’t such an amateur.

792 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:45:40pm

I’m shocked. Shocked I tells ya!

793 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:46:30pm

re: #783 garhighway

And they don’t want ours if they can find looser ones. The transnational interests of corporations is to find the loosest possible regulatory environment and shift as much business to that environment as possible. Thus Panamanian-flagged merchant ships, for example.

i don’t disagree. i didn’t see how that poses the same concern as, say, folks who wish we’d submit to the ICOJ.

but i admit that i have no idea nor have i been concerned about how many such “folks” exist…i guess i’ve always assumed it’s a small enough population to shrug off. DF wasn’t making an overbroad point about it either.

794 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:46:39pm

re: #790 simoom


Nice imagery — terrified white guy being chased through dark city streets.

White guy being chased by the black… everything? Are they saying that Obama is some kind of phantasm from the shadows?

795 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:46:40pm

re: #760 sattv4u2

Meanwhile, the Left actually had specific criticism about Bush

McChimp
BusHitler
Frat boy
Stupid
Born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth
drunkard
draft dodger

YUP ,, very “specific”!

I’ll give you
McChimp
BusHitler
Frat boy
And
drunkard


But how can you claim that

“Born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth”
and
“draft dodger”
Are not specific and clear criticisms especially the first one?

796 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:47:15pm

re: #792 Varek Raith

I’m shocked. Shocked I tells ya!

Well take your tongue out of the socket then.

797 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:47:45pm

re: #791 Fozzie Bear

Agreed, and BTW welcome! I have enjoyed your posts.

798 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:47:54pm

re: #784 Athens Runaway

Democratic-leaning pollster Nate Silver has called Rassmusen “the one I’d want with me on a desert island.”

That said, fivethirtyeight.com is a great logic-based poll-analysis site. He’s a liberal, but he’s reality-based, so you might appreciate it.

Yep. Iceweasel turned me on to Nate Silver and i really like him. Reality is my homeboy. Well, most of the time.

799 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:48:05pm

re: #789 Lidane
Way to extrapolate.
No. I’m not comparing Lewis to Sharpton.
I am saying that there are people who make up being racially slurred/attacked, for reasons of their own…..because MM seemed skeptical that anyone would ever do anything like that.

800 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:48:19pm

re: #796 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well take your tongue out of the socket then.

How the hell else am I to recharge?!?!?!?!
:P

801 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:49:29pm

re: #800 Varek Raith

How the hell else am I to recharge?!?!?!?!
:P

Should have had a V8.

802 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:07pm

re: #798 Aceofwhat?

Yep. Iceweasel turned me on to Nate Silver and i really like him. Reality is my homeboy. Well, most of the time.

I recall getting hooked on him during the MA elections run-up. The comments and personalities there are asinine, but his observations are dead-on. He’s a good crap filter and has a high signal-to-noise ratio.

803 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:07pm

re: #792 Varek Raith

How’s Arcanum treating ya?

804 Lidane  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:10pm

re: #799 tradewind

Way to extrapolate.
No. I’m not comparing Lewis to Sharpton.
I am saying that there are people who make up being racially slurred/attacked, for reasons of their own…because MM seemed skeptical that anyone would ever do anything like that.

And exactly what reason would a man like John Lewis have to make up a story about being racially slurred or attacked?

805 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:13pm

re: #801 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Should have had a V8.

Touché.
:)

806 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:28pm

re: #797 Rightwingconspirator

Agreed, and BTW welcome! I have enjoyed your posts.

Aww shucks…. Thanks!

6 months of pent up posts are all coming out now that I managed to hit the incredibly small window for new people to sign up. I had pretty much taken it as a given I wouldn’t ever get to respond here, lol.

807 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:47pm

re: #728 Dark_Falcon

The term properly is used to leftist who desire to supplant national systems of government with international ones.

I see, so it’s code for people who don’t hate the United Nations and ICC in the Hague.

808 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:50:56pm

re: #659 Carlos Machina

Welcome, hatchling.

809 simoom  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:51:02pm

re: #794 Athens Runaway

White guy being chased by the black… everything? Are they saying that Obama is some kind of phantasm from the shadows?

From the ad, as it zooms in on a grimacing President Obama pointing at the screen:

“Your money isn’t safe; he knows where you keep it.”
810 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:51:20pm

Hello, I’m new. :)

Just wanted to chime in and say that whether or not the dreaded “n-word” was uttered by some anonymous idiot(s) at a group of politicians has absolutely no bearing on any argument for or against the passage of this healthcare bill.

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

811 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:51:38pm

re: #779 tradewind

That list is so full of distortions and outright fabrications that the mind reels.

I would expect you would say that, but we didn’t just go around calling the president chimpy names. We had real complaints. Agree or not, but all of those are real complaints, including the war being bullshit. A war that I supported for a very long time.

Obama was barely out of the starting gate when the first THERE GOES THE COMMIE was uttered.

812 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:51:56pm

re: #793 Aceofwhat?

i don’t disagree. i didn’t see how that poses the same concern as, say, folks who wish we’d submit to the ICOJ.

but i admit that i have no idea nor have i been concerned about how many such “folks” exist…i guess i’ve always assumed it’s a small enough population to shrug off. DF wasn’t making an overbroad point about it either.

Yeah, I think it is a straw man. The idea that there are hordes of American lefties that want the U. S. to abrogate its sovereignty is a useful fiction, especially if you are trying to raise money or support from the “America, fuck yeah!” set.

It’s like the whole “citing foreign jurisprudence” meme, in which the Right has decided it is somehow un-American and dangerous for a judge to read and/or cite legal thought from other countries. It is absurd.

813 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:52:17pm

re: #802 Athens Runaway

I recall getting hooked on him during the MA elections run-up. The comments and personalities there are asinine, but his observations are dead-on. He’s a good crap filter and has a high signal-to-noise ratio.

I’ve had the same experience. Half the regular commenters are little more than trolls, but Nate’s articles are very well thought out and have proved prescient over time. He’s a smart guy.

814 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:52:26pm
re: #794 Athens Runaway

White guy being chased by the black… everything? Are they saying that Obama is some kind of phantasm from the shadows?

From the ad, as it zooms in on a grimacing President Obama pointing at the screen:

“Your money isn’t safe; he knows where you keep it.”

Fine, you’re right, it’s totally racist. RepubliKKKan National Committee. My bad.

815 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:53:07pm

re: #803 Slumbering Behemoth

How’s Arcanum treating ya?

The old steampunk computer RPG?

816 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:53:20pm

re: #799 tradewind

Way to extrapolate.
No. I’m not comparing Lewis to Sharpton.
I am saying that there are people who make up being racially slurred/attacked, for reasons of their own…because MM seemed skeptical that anyone would ever do anything like that.

Way to twist MY words.

About 7 people saw you compare Sharpton to Lewis. If it wasn’t your intention, so be it, but it sure looked like it.

I didn’t say “no one would ever do anything like that”. I said Lewis wouldn’t do it. And I don’t believe he would.

817 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:53:31pm

re: #804 Lidane

And exactly what reason would a man like John Lewis have to make up a story about being racially slurred or attacked?

He didn’t have to. The tea-party slanderers paid my ultra-liberal mom to go stand in a crowd full of angry right-wing assholes who would stone her if they knew her real politics and shout the n-word at a civil rights leader to make those patriotic patriots look bad.

Simple, no?

818 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:53:33pm

re: #804 Lidane
I’m sure I don’t know.
Why would the Black Caucus want the tea partiers labeled racists?
It’s not as if any group that is legitimate would be concerned with being called racist.
/do I have to/.

819 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:53:39pm

re: #810 SteveB4

Hello, I’m new. :)

Just wanted to chime in and say that whether or not the dreaded “n-word” was uttered by some anonymous idiot(s) at a group of politicians has absolutely no bearing on any argument for or against the passage of this healthcare bill.

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

well, then, it behooves we conservatives to drum this stuff out of acceptable public behavior so that we can get back to talking about facts!

820 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:53:45pm

re: #803 Slumbering Behemoth

How’s Arcanum treating ya?

Not bad, so far. Haven’t had time to play much. :(
Just been messing about the area of the crash site.
I’ll have loads of free time next week to play though.

821 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:54:17pm

re: #808 wrenchwench
…Hatchlings?…hatchlings?
I’ll have mine scrambled with cheese please!!
Welcome!
So what’s the hubbub?

822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:54:27pm

The defense of “Well, if they didn’t want to be called “the N word” they shouldn’t have walked through the crowd” does nothing to prove that the crowd did not have racists in attendance.

On Thursday, I am thinking of going to the Tea Party demonstration with a sign, “Racism has no place in Public discourse!” to see what kind of reactions I get.

823 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:54:28pm

re: #751 Aceofwhat?

Corporations do things all the time to actually weaken national sovereignty, such as Halliburton moving its HQ to Dubai to avoid US taxes.

824 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:54:57pm

re: #815 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The old steampunk computer RPG?

That’s the one. Varek just got the game. He is an “Arcanum virgin”, so don’t post any spoilers.

825 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:55:14pm

re: #787 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Norsemen in power armor with automatic weapons verus a scuttling horde of chitinous death spells win in my book.

My new favorite Warhammer is Battletech’s WHM-7A. Two extended range particle cannons, one 6 tube short-range missile lancher (with improved guidance system) and a power group of 4 medium lasers and two small pulse lasers. Throw in heavy armor and enough cooling gear to use the weapons and you’ve got a 70 ton avatar of death.

/I know its a different game, but I was having a geekgasm.

826 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:55:29pm

re: #810 SteveB4

Hello, I’m new. :)

Just wanted to chime in and say that whether or not the dreaded “n-word” was uttered by some anonymous idiot(s) at a group of politicians has absolutely no bearing on any argument for or against the passage of this healthcare bill.

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

Hi new. :)

The bill passed, and now we are dealing with the racism charges leveled against some of those who also felt it was a train wreck. Perhaps if those opposed to the bill would have stuck to the facts, they might have held it off.

827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:55:51pm

re: #821 reloadingisnotahobby

So what’s the hubbub?

Hey, bub.

828 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:56:56pm

re: #807 goddamnedfrank

I see, so it’s code for people who don’t hate the United Nations and ICC in the Hague.

re: #752 Dark_Falcon

Points taken. Please do understand I wasn’t trying to run some loony theory. Thanos asked for a definition of a term, I was trying to provide both a correct definition and the “expanded wingnut definition”. And Nuremberg was agreed to by the four major Allied powers. In some ways, it was progressive, but that does not discredit it. Not everything labeled “progressive” is simply to be rejected out of hand. Glen Beck takes that view, but I do not.

829 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:57:08pm

re: #811 marjoriemoon

we didn’t just go around calling the president chimpy names..

…. true. McHitler/Bush Crime Family was tossed into the mix, there were some hangings in effigy, his daughters were targeted, a movie about his assassination, etc, etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum. With less-than-zero outrage on the part of the media, and no concern that his safety might be at risk.
Again… it depends on whose ox is being gored.

830 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:57:39pm

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The defense of “Well, if they didn’t want to be called “the N word” they shouldn’t have walked through the crowd” does nothing to prove that the crowd did not have racists in attendance.

On Thursday, I am thinking of going to the Tea Party demonstration with a sign, “Racism has no place in Public discourse!” to see what kind of reactions I get.

I’d love to hear how that goes.

831 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:57:52pm

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You would be welcomed!
Hint…Bring Beer…that always works!

832 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:58:14pm

re: #810 SteveB4

Hello, I’m new. :)

Just wanted to chime in and say that whether or not the dreaded “n-word” was uttered by some anonymous idiot(s) at a group of politicians has absolutely no bearing on any argument for or against the passage of this healthcare bill.

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

Welcome to LGF. Glad to have you on board. Tell us a bit about yourself.

833 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:58:16pm

re: #827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey FBV!

834 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:58:29pm

re: #812 garhighway

Yeah, I think it is a straw man. The idea that there are hordes of American lefties that want the U. S. to abrogate its sovereignty is a useful fiction, especially if you are trying to raise money or support from the “America, fuck yeah!” set.

It’s like the whole “citing foreign jurisprudence” meme, in which the Right has decided it is somehow un-American and dangerous for a judge to read and/or cite legal thought from other countries. It is absurd.

And for the record, no one here said there were hordes, at least that i’m aware.

I’m far less sanguine about citing legal thought from other countries. Remind me why i should give a damn about how Bhutan handles Miranda rights again? I quite disagree that objecting to a heavy reliance on legal thought from other countries is absurd.

835 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:58:33pm

re: #810 SteveB4
Out of the mouths of babes/hatchlings.
Good point.

836 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:58:40pm

re: #820 Varek Raith

Aside from necromancy, what secondary or tertiary skill sets were you planning to develop? Combat: TB or RT?

837 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:59:16pm

re: #810 SteveB4

Hi, Wecome!
Did you want no bill, or a very different bill?

838 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:59:58pm

re: #826 wrenchwench

Hi new. :)

The bill passed, and now we are dealing with the racism charges leveled against some of those who also felt it was a train wreck. Perhaps if those opposed to the bill would have stuck to the facts, they might have held it off.

Opponents of health care had no chance of holding off the bill with any sort of rational discussion, it quickly disintegrated into a shouting match and a swell of unfounded and unsubstantiated claims.

And I am annoyed because I applied to serve as an honorary Death Panel Memeber and still have not received my secret Star Chamber access code…

/

839 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:59:59pm

re: #818 tradewind

I’m sure I don’t know.
Why would the Black Caucus want the tea partiers labeled racists?
It’s not as if any group that is legitimate would be concerned with being called racist.
/do I have to/.

Yeah, could you imagine being black and having and having legitimate concerns about or having experienced racism?

Hey, maybe blacks should look for support from the Trent Lotts and the Strom Thurmonds. Don’t you think? Or better yet from that bounty of diversity, the Tea Party.

840 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:00:00pm

re: #835 tradewind

so you agree that calling a congressperson a racial slur is a ‘nontroversy’?

Good to know!

841 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:00:11pm

re: #819 Aceofwhat?

well, then, it behooves we us conservatives to drum this stuff out of acceptable public behavior so that we can get back to talking about facts!

It behooves you conservatives to learn English, the language of this country, or get the fuck out.

842 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:00:15pm

re: #810 SteveB4

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

I’m sorry, who are you saying the distraction is convenient for?

Is it of no importance to you whether or not racial epithets are really being screamed at lawmakers over the healthcare bill?

843 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:00:45pm

re: #757 Fozzie Bear

OT:

I just discovered that Glenn Beck Glenn Beck’s staff is penning a book, to be called “The Overton Window”…

Fixed for the purposes of giving credit where credit is due!

844 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:00:46pm

re: #839 Gus 802
SO not the point.
But you know that.

845 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:01:00pm

re: #825 Dark_Falcon

My new favorite Warhammer is Battletech’s WHM-7A. Two extended range particle cannons, one 6 tube short-range missile lancher (with improved guidance system) and a power group of 4 medium lasers and two small pulse lasers. Throw in heavy armor and enough cooling gear to use the weapons and you’ve got a 70 ton avatar of death.

/I know its a different game, but I was having a geekgasm.

NO CROSSING GENRES!

/Madcat Mk2 with 2 LRM20, 2 LRM10 and 1 medium laser, with the enhanced sensors and jumpjets was my mech during my Mechwarrior days. Get a lock on from behind a mountain, jump and fire.

846 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:01:18pm

re: #829 tradewind

… true. McHitler/Bush Crime Family was tossed into the mix, there were some hangings in effigy, his daughters were targeted, a movie about his assassination, etc, etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum. With less-than-zero outrage on the part of the media, and no concern that his safety might be at risk.
Again… it depends on whose ox is being gored.

I’ll gore your ox.

And the phrase is ad nauseam.

847 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:01:55pm

re: #842 Obdicut
(Go ahead, just tell him he’s crazy now and get it over with. You know you’re going to anyway…..).

848 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:02:06pm

re: #824 Slumbering Behemoth

That’s the one. Varek just got the game. He is an “Arcanum virgin”, so don’t post any spoilers.

Haven’t touched it in years, so can’t recall much.

849 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:02:14pm

re: #823 Obdicut

Corporations do things all the time to actually weaken national sovereignty, such as Halliburton moving its HQ to Dubai to avoid US taxes.

They don’t do it to weaken national sovereignty, they do it to avoid taxes.

Darn those silly right-wing attempts to cut taxes, anyway!

850 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:02:38pm

re: #819 Aceofwhat?

well, then, it behooves we conservatives to drum this stuff out of acceptable public behavior so that we can get back to talking about facts!

I don’t know if it’s possible to keep morons out of large-scale demonstrations and protests.

I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we’ve entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs.

851 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:02:58pm

re: #844 tradewind

SO not the point.
But you know that.

No, I might not know that. I don’t have my tradewind to English dictionary with me.

852 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:02:58pm

re: #818 tradewind

I’m sure I don’t know.
Why would the Black Caucus want the tea partiers labeled racists?
It’s not as if any group that is legitimate would be concerned with being called racist.
/do I have to/.

You’re really a piece of work, you know that?

I find it really insulting that a man of strong character like John Lewis, a man who is considered one of the most courageous people who ever came out of the civil rights movement, a man who dedicated his life to protecting human rights and civil liberties, that you would accuse him of lying and manipulating for his own benefit without A SCRAP of proof yet!

Wow.

853 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:03:01pm

re: #840 windsagio

so you agree that calling a congressperson a racial slur is a ‘nontroversy’?

Good to know!


Well put. At least much better than the drivel I was working on.

854 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:03:44pm

re: #810 SteveB4

Hello, I’m new. :)

Just wanted to chime in and say that whether or not the dreaded “n-word” was uttered by some anonymous idiot(s) at a group of politicians has absolutely no bearing on any argument for or against the passage of this healthcare bill.

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

Assuming that the bill blows goats for argument’s sake:

Why would someone (Breitbart) who opposes the bill spend so much time meta-debating (debating the debate) and so little examining the bill itself?

If the bill is indeed so incredibly bad, why not argue THAT point, directly, with examples and cogent analysis? More to the point, why do some (obviously not all) on the right so vociferously defend this tactic when it would so obviously be far, far more effective to deconstruct the bill itself.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The bill isn’t perfect, parts of it may even suck, but it’s a start. I think rational conservatives should stop trying to advocate for repeal, and instead pick out the parts they disagree with most vociferously, and push for those aspects to be changed in some way.

Arguing for total repeal, or that it was “all bad” is tantamount to defending some of the more egregious practices of the health insurance industry this bill addresses. You aren’t going to get much traction with that. The individual mandate might be problematic, but say that, address THAT aspect. If you attack the whole thing, you end up coming across as supporting those obviously bad practices.

Yes, it is a distraction, but then why is distraction such a popular approach for those who oppose the bill, like Breitbart? Wouldn’t drawing attention toward, rather than away from the bill be a smarter tactic if it were indeed so unpopular as is claimed?

855 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:04:55pm

re: #850 SteveB4

I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we’ve entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs.

I think you got that backwards. Sweeping and unpopular power grabs are being used to justify hurtful language.

856 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:05:39pm

re: #848 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My last play through was as a dwarf-centric technologist. Lots of good story lines in that game give it high re-playability.

857 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:05:42pm

re: #834 Aceofwhat?

And for the record, no one here said there were hordes, at least that i’m aware.

I’m far less sanguine about citing legal thought from other countries. Remind me why i should give a damn about how Bhutan handles Miranda rights again? I quite disagree that objecting to a heavy reliance on legal thought from other countries is absurd.

No one here has said that there are hordes, in fact I was careful not to say that. However, there are loons who go in for the “all progs are either tranzis or tranzi helpers!1” meme. Sometimes people may not understand that you or I is not part of that crowd till we make it clear, Ace.

858 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:05:48pm

re: #846 Cato the Elder
No oxen here, Cato, just dogs and horses.

859 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:05:59pm

re: #849 Aceofwhat?

Seriously, Ace, you don’t think moving headquarters to avoid taxes is something that weakens national sovereignty? It’s fine for Halliburton to grow as a US corporation, taking advantage of all the US has to offer a corporation, and then simply move to avoid taxes— and that’s not something that threatens sovereignty?

What about flagging ships in Panama, even though they’re owned by wholly-owned subsidiaries of US corporations? What about US corporations building factories in countries specifically to avoid US regulations for workers? In what ways is a US company that specifically wants to avoid US regulations while profiting from other aspects of being in the US not opposing US sovereignty?

860 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:06:03pm

re: #850 SteveB4

I don’t know if it’s possible to keep morons out of large-scale demonstrations and protests.

I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we’ve entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs.

I’m smelling trollish socks here.

861 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:06:24pm

re: #841 Cato the Elder

It behooves you conservatives to learn English, the language of this country, or get the fuck out.

quite right.

by the way, if you call Comcast and your phone number is on the account (i.e. the system identifies you as a current customer), you have to press 1 for English.

it doesn’t bother me. never did. but it’s not a fantasy. i had to call them yesterday to ask why a particular service wasn’t working and was reminded of the topic.

anything else i can help you with today?

862 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:06:37pm

re: #858 tradewind

No oxen here, Cato, just dogs and horses.

Got a whistle for the canines?

863 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:08:18pm

re: #850 SteveB4

Last I saw the bill wasn’t passed because someone was called a bad name it was passed because of how utterly messed up the health insurance industry is in this country and how many people are screwed over by it on a daily basis

864 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:08:22pm

re: #854 Fozzie Bear

We are talking basic mindless assumptions here: such as

health-care reform = socialized medicine

socialized medicine = major step in government controlling our lives and liberties

Breitbart and his ilk had no reason to go beyond these basic knee-jerk reactions is opposing the bill

865 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:08:28pm

re: #861 Aceofwhat?

quite right.

by the way, if you call Comcast and your phone number is on the account (i.e. the system identifies you as a current customer), you have to press 1 for English.

it doesn’t bother me. never did. but it’s not a fantasy. i had to call them yesterday to ask why a particular service wasn’t working and was reminded of the topic.

anything else i can help you with today?

Speaking of NONtroversies… “Press 1 for English.”

Fuck that. I’ll press 1 for English, who cares. It’s when I have to press 5 other buttons for 5 other departments, spend 20 minutes on hold and then get disconnected, that’s when I’m throwing the phone into the wall.

866 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:08:34pm

re: #845 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NO CROSSING GENRES!

/Madcat Mk2 with 2 LRM20, 2 LRM10 and 1 medium laser, with the enhanced sensors and jumpjets was my mech during my Mechwarrior days. Get a lock on from behind a mountain, jump and fire.

That not a canon variant, though it would quite tough. My group does sometimes use the standard Mk. 2, with two Gauss rifles, two LRM-10s, and 4 ER Medium Lasers. That mech is mobile and deadly when used right. It problem is that its battle value is so high it ends being a fire magnet for enemies who want to take it down.

867 simoom  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:08:36pm

re: #814 Athens Runaway

Fine, you’re right, it’s totally racist. RepubliKKKan National Committee. My bad.

I don’t think it’s racist. I just feel the imagery, whether there intentionally or by the director simply being oblivious, appeals to a number of entrenched racial stereotypes.

868 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:08:55pm

re: #861 Aceofwhat?

quite right.

by the way, if you call Comcast and your phone number is on the account (i.e. the system identifies you as a current customer), you have to press 1 for English.

it doesn’t bother me. never did. but it’s not a fantasy. i had to call them yesterday to ask why a particular service wasn’t working and was reminded of the topic.

anything else i can help you with today?

Bullshit. I just called Comcast the other day.

869 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:09:16pm

re: #850 SteveB4

I don’t know if it’s possible to keep morons out of large-scale demonstrations and protests.

I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we’ve entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs.

I don’t see it being used to justify anything. And i completely agree with SFZ…if the moderators/organizers would just come out and say that the offensive behavior isn’t welcome and that they will eject anyone who acts hatefully (and then follow through) while not inviting card-carrying racists to speak at events, I’d be the first to say that concern troll is unconcerned.

Bet you a G&T that Charles would say the same…

870 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:09:30pm

re: #854 Fozzie Bear

Assuming that the bill blows goats for argument’s sake:

Why would someone (Breitbart) who opposes the bill spend so much time meta-debating (debating the debate) and so little examining the bill itself?

If the bill is indeed so incredibly bad, why not argue THAT point, directly, with examples and cogent analysis? More to the point, why do some (obviously not all) on the right so vociferously defend this tactic when it would so obviously be far, far more effective to deconstruct the bill itself.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The bill isn’t perfect, parts of it may even suck, but it’s a start. I think rational conservatives should stop trying to advocate for repeal, and instead pick out the parts they disagree with most vociferously, and push for those aspects to be changed in some way.

Arguing for total repeal, or that it was “all bad” is tantamount to defending some of the more egregious practices of the health insurance industry this bill addresses. You aren’t going to get much traction with that. The individual mandate might be problematic, but say that, address THAT aspect. If you attack the whole thing, you end up coming across as supporting those obviously bad practices.

Yes, it is a distraction, but then why is distraction such a popular approach for those who oppose the bill, like Breitbart? Wouldn’t drawing attention toward, rather than away from the bill be a smarter tactic if it were indeed so unpopular as is claimed?

I can’t speak for Breitbart, but the bill (or what was thought to be in the bill) was debated for a long, long time.

I’d have liked a bill that focused on competition/reducing costs, rather than focusing on increased government control and mandatory coverage, etc.

Hi to the person that asked about me! Dunno what to say, except that I lean to the right of most of my friends (who lean left).

871 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:09:53pm

re: #868 Cato the Elder

Bullshit. I just called Comcast the other day.

And yes, I’m calling you a liar.

872 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:10:00pm

re: #834 Aceofwhat?

And for the record, no one here said there were hordes, at least that i’m aware.

I’m far less sanguine about citing legal thought from other countries. Remind me why i should give a damn about how Bhutan handles Miranda rights again? I quite disagree that objecting to a heavy reliance on legal thought from other countries is absurd.

I agree that you didn’t say anything about hordes, and I didn’t mean to imply that you did. There was some commentary in an earlier thread this morning about the term “tranzi” in which it seemed clear that those who used the term felt like there were a lot of such people. But you clearly have said no such thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

On the international legal authority issue, I am a “marketplace of ideas” kind of guy, so if I think I hear a better way of looking at an issue, I am in favor of saying so, and in the interests of transparency, saying where I heard it.

That is all it is. No one can make any US Court follow foreign law. But ideas are ideas, and come without nationality. Why anyone would insist that our jurists deliberately ignore some is beyond me.

Many (probably most) of our US Supreme Court cases are on issues so unique to our system that no international commentator is likely to have analyzed it. (Miranda is probably a good example of that.) But there are a few issues where international legal commentators might have something interesting to say. You would have our Court deliberately ignore their thinking, or worse yet, be influenced by it and not say so?

I don’t get that.

873 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #870 SteveB4

What the hell is ‘competition’ in health care? You want to remove the ability of states to regulate insurance companies?

874 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:10:46pm

re: #844 tradewind

lol answer the question if you’re able :pre: #870 SteveB4

I can’t speak for Breitbart, but the bill (or what was thought to be in the bill) was debated for a long, long time.

Aah, I see how it is!

875 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:10:53pm

re: #860 Cato the Elder

I’m smelling trollish socks here.

Agreed. Possible YL92 sighting. Varek, do you have any Sith powers than can see through a sock puppet disguise?

876 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:10:55pm

re: #836 Slumbering Behemoth

Aside from necromancy, what secondary or tertiary skill sets were you planning to develop? Combat: TB or RT?

Been playing turned based. Thinking about expanding into herbology and conveyance. Any recommendations?

877 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:12:12pm

re: #820 Varek Raith

Not bad, so far. Haven’t had time to play much. :(
Just been messing about the area of the crash site.
I’ll have loads of free time next week to play though.

I’m further than that as I’ve been to and finished most of the stuff in Tarent and got my warehouse to store all my goodies. That being said that next area black whatever mines… I’m level 14, have 4 followers and I still get my ass kicked in there. Need to level up some more that’s for sure.

878 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:12:40pm

re: #876 Varek Raith

Been playing turned based. Thinking about expanding into herbology and conveyance. Any recommendations?

By the way, for all you Warhammer/Mechwarrior junkies:

Armageddon Empires

You’l thank me.

879 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:14:01pm

re: #852 marjoriemoon
I haven’t accused Lewis of anything.
You, on the other hand, have accused me of equating him with Sharpton.
Why don’t you re-read the initial question posed and see if you can possibly understand that I was answering a (rhetorical.. they didn’t really want an answer) question about any person’s possible motive for fabricating a racial slur. Your position appears to be that there could not possibly have been any such fabrication.
Mine is that neither of us knows for sure.
That’s all.

880 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:14:04pm

re: #878 Obdicut

By the way, for all you Warhammer/Mechwarrior junkies:

Armageddon Empires

You’l thank me.

MechWarrior rocks!

881 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:14:22pm

re: #875 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Possible YL92 sighting. Varek, do you have any Sith powers than can see through a sock puppet disguise?

If you’d be kind enough to point out where I was being trollish, I promise to try to improve the quality of my posts. :)

882 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:14:28pm

Uh-oh…the tax and spend libruls are spending $300 billion dollars than they thought they were… Time to rally up some fake outrage at continued economic sanity. Reducing the deficit by 20% has to be bad for the country…right?

883 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:15:05pm

re: #880 HoosierHoops

Armageddon is a turn-based hex game that has a very nifty rule set and has provided me with many hours of enjoyment.

884 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:15:27pm

re: #879 tradewind

I haven’t accused Lewis of anything.
You, on the other hand, have accused me of equating him with Sharpton.
Why don’t you re-read the initial question posed and see if you can possibly understand that I was answering a (rhetorical.. they didn’t really want an answer) question about any person’s possible motive for fabricating a racial slur. Your position appears to be that there could not possibly have been any such fabrication.
Mine is that neither of us knows for sure.
That’s all.

Why choose Sharpton for your comparison? What does Sharpton have in common with Lewis?

885 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:03pm

re: #882 darthstar

Uh-oh…the tax and spend libruls are spending $300 billion dollars than they thought they were… Time to rally up some fake outrage at continued economic sanity. Reducing the deficit by 20% has to be bad for the country…right?

A good quote from the story:

During the six months that ended in March, $10 billion was spent out of TARP. In contrast, that bailout program spent $186 billion for the same period ending March 2009. A separate program to aid mortgage financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac used $25 billion in taxpayer dollars in the six months ending in March, compared with $119 billion for the same period a year ago.
886 cliffster  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:10pm

re: #881 SteveB4

If you’d be kind enough to point out where I was being trollish, I promise to try to improve the quality of my posts. :)

Stop smiling so much

887 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:25pm

Thought for the day:
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking

888 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:27pm

re: #882 darthstar

Uh-oh…the tax and spend libruls are spending $300 billion dollars than they thought they were… Time to rally up some fake outrage at continued economic sanity. Reducing the deficit by 20% has to be bad for the country…right?

They are just fucking evil.

889 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:32pm

re: #862 wrenchwench
Just saying that send a little tingle down your leg, doesn’t it?

890 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:46pm

Ah yes, the egalitarian Caribou Barbie and her personal demands:

Sarah Palin’s Secret Contract Demands Big Jets and Bendable Straws - ABC News

Six pages of the contract Palin’s handlers sent to Cal State Stanislaus were unearthed in a dumpster by students there this week, and one of the many requirements that must be met for the former vice presidential hopeful: two unopened bottles of still water and “bendable straws” must be waiting on a wooden lectern.

That was just one item among the pages of elaborate demands that must be met to land a contract for Palin to come speak at an event. More costly were the requirement for her travel – the venue must supply her with business or first class commercial airfare, or with a private plane. And not just any jet will do.

“The private aircraft MUST BE a Lear 60 or larger (as defined by interior cabin space) for West Coast Events; or, a Hawker 800 or Larger (as defined by interior cabin space for) East Coast Events, and both are subject to the Speaker’s approval. The Speaker Reserves the right to change the flight plans at any time,” the contract states.

891 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:16:48pm

re: #875 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Possible YL92 sighting. Varek, do you have any Sith powers than can see through a sock puppet disguise?

It seems increasingly likely…
Lol.

892 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:17:06pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

And yes, I’m calling you a liar.

Have I told you about my experience with Chase bank? :p They’re all the Devil’s spawn.

I called DirecTv to ask if they would provide Shalom TV. The man said they don’t have it yet, but he would log the request and if enough people call in, they will provide it. I should call back in a couple months and request again.

When I called back, I told the woman about the first phone call and requested it again. She said, “Mmmm hmmmm.” I said, “Mmm hmmm what??” She said, “I’m supposed to make a note of it, so I’ll make a note of it, OK?”

Ya think she was an anti-Semite? LOL

I hung up and called back and got a different person.

893 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:17:12pm

re: #859 Obdicut

Seriously, Ace, you don’t think moving headquarters to avoid taxes is something that weakens national sovereignty? It’s fine for Halliburton to grow as a US corporation, taking advantage of all the US has to offer a corporation, and then simply move to avoid taxes— and that’s not something that threatens sovereignty?

What about flagging ships in Panama, even though they’re owned by wholly-owned subsidiaries of US corporations? What about US corporations building factories in countries specifically to avoid US regulations for workers? In what ways is a US company that specifically wants to avoid US regulations while profiting from other aspects of being in the US not opposing US sovereignty?

the intentions are far different. a person who wishes to submit to the ICOJ is willfully anxious to reduce national sovereignty. such a person (mind you, again, neither DF nor I have said this is a common belief) will profit nothing from their belief…they wish to make the US more submissive because they think it’s the right course of action. I disagree with the motives and methods of such a person.

a business who relocates to avoid taxes or regulations is water running downhill…any resulting weakening of national sovereignty is a side effect they’re unconcerned about. you can disagree with the methods of such actions, but business motives are business motives.

it’s also why i don’t believe that “regulation” is a curse word.

894 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:17:36pm

re: #866 Dark_Falcon

That not a canon variant, though it would quite tough. My group does sometimes use the standard Mk. 2, with two Gauss rifles, two LRM-10s, and 4 ER Medium Lasers. That mech is mobile and deadly when used right. It problem is that its battle value is so high it ends being a fire magnet for enemies who want to take it down.

My buddy and I played as a 2 man team. He focused on heavy, close range fire power, Autocannon, SRMs and particle cannons. I was long range mobility. He would hunker down with sensors powered down, I would start engaging and bring them to him ambush.

895 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:18:11pm

re: #890 Gus 802

Any word on the colors of M&Ms allowed?

896 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:18:15pm

re: #881 SteveB4
(I don’t know if you’re trolling or not, but I guar-on-tee, if you are, this bunch absolutely has trolldar that’s infallible).
Just saying.

897 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:18:15pm

re: #868 Cato the Elder

Bullshit. I just called Comcast the other day.

You’re a subscriber, you called from the phone# on the account, and you called the (555)-COMCAST number?

898 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:18:35pm

re: #867 simoom

I don’t think it’s racist. I just feel the imagery, whether there intentionally or by the director simply being oblivious, appeals to a number of entrenched racial stereotypes.

You don’t think it’s racist, you think it’s just blowing racist dog-whistles.

A difference that makes no difference… makes no difference.

899 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:18:47pm

Republican Congressmen Joining May Day Prayer Rally to Establish a “Vitrual Theocracy”

7:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. - Every hour will generally feature times of prayer and proclamation, including words from the Constitutions of all 50 States, as well as a number of our Presidents and American patriots. Prayer times will include both corporate and personal silent prayer. Prayers of repentance will be offered about each of the “Seven Mountains of Culture,” which are: (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion. A number of leaders have been asked to offer prayers of repentance in each of these areas and subcategories, such as the military and our court system.

Youtube Video

900 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:18:59pm

re: #861 Aceofwhat?

quite right.

by the way, if you call Comcast and your phone number is on the account (i.e. the system identifies you as a current customer), you have to press 1 for English.

it doesn’t bother me. never did. but it’s not a fantasy. i had to call them yesterday to ask why a particular service wasn’t working and was reminded of the topic.

anything else i can help you with today?

I just called Comcast again to check on this. After the greeting, it says in Spanish “para Español, marque el nueve”.

So unless Comcast has a way of specifically recognizing conservatives and telling them to “press 1 for English” just to piss them off, I’m hereby pressing 2 for bullshit.

901 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:11pm

re: #882 darthstar


Rush Limbaugh’s comment on Clinton’s budget surplus of the 90’s was that it constituted an unconscionable example of the government taking more money from us than it needed to operate! How dare they?

902 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:18pm

re: #890 Gus 802

What, no green only M&M’s demand? //

903 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:24pm

re: #889 tradewind

Just saying that send a little tingle down your leg, doesn’t it?

Nope.

The only tingle I might get is when you or one of the other deniers posting today decides that racism should not be tolerated in political discourse for any reason, rather than making excuses for it or claiming it is not real.

904 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:27pm

re: #879 tradewind

I haven’t accused Lewis of anything.
You, on the other hand, have accused me of equating him with Sharpton.
Why don’t you re-read the initial question posed and see if you can possibly understand that I was answering a (rhetorical.. they didn’t really want an answer) question about any person’s possible motive for fabricating a racial slur. Your position appears to be that there could not possibly have been any such fabrication.
Mine is that neither of us knows for sure.
That’s all.

Me and a dozen others. I already said that.

With just Lewis’ word, I will stand by what he said was the truth. I don’t know how to say that any other way. I think I spelled out the reasons. You can make of it whatever you like.

905 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:39pm

re: #878 Obdicut

By the way, for all you Warhammer/Mechwarrior junkies:

Armageddon Empires

You’l thank me.

Looks cool.

906 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:52pm

re: #893 Aceofwhat?

I’m not sure why you’re talking about motives, since I wasn’t.

I have never met a single person who wants us to submit to the ICOJ, and I live in the Bay Area.

Transnationals take very real actions every day that damage US sovereignty.
I know that corporations are motivated by profit. That’s actually kind of my point. There is an enormous economic incentive for corporations to weaken governments.

907 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:19:53pm

re: #895 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any word on the colors of M&Ms allowed?

re: #902 badger1970

What, no green only M&M’s demand? //

MMTA…

908 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:20:18pm

re: #900 Cato the Elder

I just called Comcast again to check on this. After the greeting, it says in Spanish “para Español, marque el nueve”.

So unless Comcast has a way of specifically recognizing conservatives and telling them to “press 1 for English” just to piss them off, I’m hereby pressing 2 for bullshit.

I seem to press the button that tells them to hit gas lines in my neighborhood…

909 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:20:27pm

re: #904 marjoriemoon
With just his word?
Well, there’s no arguing with that logic. Case closed.

910 simoom  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:20:28pm

re: #757 Fozzie Bear

OT:

I just discovered that Glenn Beck is penning a book, to be called “The Overton Window”…

Here are the four potential book covers for the novel:
glennbeck.com

I’m not really sure what’s going on in the first cover — is that the Lincoln Memorial flooded?

The second has the Statue of Liberty wielding perhaps a bow?

In the third the Statue of Liberty has been replaced with a male version (again with a bow).

And in the last there are three Washington Monuments.

911 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:20:33pm

re: #895 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any word on the colors of M&Ms allowed?

The room must be kept at 72 degrees farenheit — no more, no less.

I’d take any color M & Ms. Still prefer black jelly beans.

912 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:20:44pm

re: #900 Cato the Elder

I just called Comcast again to check on this. After the greeting, it says in Spanish “para Español, marque el nueve”.

So unless Comcast has a way of specifically recognizing conservatives and telling them to “press 1 for English” just to piss them off, I’m hereby pressing 2 for bullshit.

I called Comcast and it was a bit different for me. First option I hear is “press 1 to have your bandwidth rationed”. Maybe we used a different call center. ;-)

913 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:20:56pm

re: #900 Cato the Elder

I just called Comcast again to check on this. After the greeting, it says in Spanish “para Español, marque el nueve”.

So unless Comcast has a way of specifically recognizing conservatives and telling them to “press 1 for English” just to piss them off, I’m hereby pressing 2 for bullshit.

English is the default for just about every American company…Comcast included. If you want an operator who speaks spanish, you have to press 2 or 8 or 9 or whatever they ask for. But English is the default. Anyone who says differently doesn’t know how to operate a telephone.

914 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #897 Aceofwhat?

You’re a subscriber, you called from the phone# on the account, and you called the (555)-COMCAST number?

Yep. You’re a liar.

915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:21:47pm

re: #911 Gus 802

Ugh. You can have the black jellybeans.

916 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:21:47pm

re: #810 SteveB4

Hello, I’m new. :)

Just wanted to chime in and say that whether or not the dreaded “n-word” was uttered by some anonymous idiot(s) at a group of politicians has absolutely no bearing on any argument for or against the passage of this healthcare bill.

This non-troversy is a convenient distraction from the trainwreck that is the bill itself.

SteveB4, I’d love to welcome you but that’s a bunch of blather and you’re gonna have to bring your “A” game if you want to participate here.

If that IS your “A” game - well, I guess we won’t be seeing you!

917 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:22:04pm

re: #872 garhighway

On the international legal authority issue, I am a “marketplace of ideas” kind of guy, so if I think I hear a better way of looking at an issue, I am in favor of saying so, and in the interests of transparency, saying where I heard it.

That is all it is. No one can make any US Court follow foreign law. But ideas are ideas, and come without nationality. Why anyone would insist that our jurists deliberately ignore some is beyond me.

Many (probably most) of our US Supreme Court cases are on issues so unique to our system that no international commentator is likely to have analyzed it. (Miranda is probably a good example of that.) But there are a few issues where international legal commentators might have something interesting to say. You would have our Court deliberately ignore their thinking, or worse yet, be influenced by it and not say so?

I don’t get that.

Good. You have just described the job of a legislator. That would be, as opposed to a jurist, who ought not be interested in what ‘international legal cmmentators’ when ruling on issues of US law and constitutionality.

Ideas are for legislators. Jurists need to make a call. I object because i like my powers separated.

918 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:22:16pm

re: #896 tradewind

Trolling is as trolling does, I think I’ve only stated my opinion so far. Also I promise to smile less if that’s a problem.

919 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:22:17pm

re: #909 tradewind

With just his word?
Well, there’s no arguing with that logic. Case closed.

Well, he does look an awful lot like Al Sharpton, I understand your suspicions!

/OOZING

920 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:22:34pm

re: #900 Cato the Elder

I just called Comcast again to check on this. After the greeting, it says in Spanish “para Español, marque el nueve”.

So unless Comcast has a way of specifically recognizing conservatives and telling them to “press 1 for English” just to piss them off, I’m hereby pressing 2 for bullshit.

#897

921 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:23:39pm

re: #917 Aceofwhat?

Good. You have just described the job of a legislator. That would be, as opposed to a jurist, who ought not be interested in what ‘international legal commentators’ have to say when ruling on issues of US law and constitutionality.

Ideas are for legislators. Jurists need to make a call. I object because i like my powers separated.

yikes. Pimf*2

922 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:23:40pm

re: #920 Aceofwhat?

#897

Liar.

923 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:23:40pm

re: #915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh. You can have the black jellybeans.

RACIST!

(preemptive)

924 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:23:49pm

re: #850 SteveB4

I don’t know if it’s possible to keep morons out of large-scale demonstrations and protests.

I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we’ve entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs.

The bill was passed, whatever our opinion of it, and as far as I know, hurtful language wasn’t the reason why.

925 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:24:09pm

re: #860 Cato the Elder

I’m smelling trollish socks here.

I am too.

926 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:24:40pm

re: #918 SteveB4

Trolling is as trolling does

Thanks Forrest.

927 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:24:53pm

re: #916 reine.de.tout

re: #810 SteveB4


SteveB4, I’d love to welcome you but that’s a bunch of blather and you’re gonna have to bring your “A” game if you want to participate here.

If that IS your “A” game - well, I guess we won’t be seeing you!

I hope to improve myself in your eyes.

928 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:24:54pm

re: #919 WindUpBird
Really, why ooze when ’ dripping’ would have done the trick?

929 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:25:15pm

re: #789 Lidane

You’re seriously comparing John Lewis to Al Sharpton?

Not cool. At all.

Beyond not cool, it’s the sort of thing David Duke would smile at.

930 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:25:18pm

re: #924 reine.de.tout

The bill was passed, whatever our opinion of it, and as far as I know, hurtful language wasn’t the reason why.

SteveB4 is full of shit, and I’m getting an 87% YL92 off his posts.

931 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:25:24pm

re: #910 simoom

Just a wild guess - it’s going to be an alternate history — I am betting that the South will win the civil war and slavery will just whither away (you know, like the state did under communism…)

932 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #923 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Someone’s segregating the jellybeans??

933 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #930 Cato the Elder

Was thinking the same thing…

934 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:26:44pm

re: #850 SteveB4

I don’t know if it’s possible to keep morons out of large-scale demonstrations and protests.

I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we’ve entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs.

What the hell are you smoking? What governmental power grabs are you talking about? The Unitary Executive? That was the last administration. Health Care Reform? The bill that passed will be a boon to private industry (aka Insurance Companies). Give an example, but don’t just talk out your ass…

935 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:26:51pm

re: #883 Obdicut

Armageddon is a turn-based hex game that has a very nifty rule set and has provided me with many hours of enjoyment.

Very cool. Will look into it.

936 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:26:59pm

re: #932 tradewind

Someone’s segregating the jellybeans??

The person who decided on jellybean flavors/colors was racist. He made the black ones taste awful!

937 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:05pm

re: #914 Cato the Elder

Yep. You’re a liar.

i don’t even have a horse in this race. i didn’t press anything and they keep going in english.

but i called back just to make sure because i remember you saying it never happened.

938 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:08pm

re: #928 tradewind

Really, why ooze when ’ dripping’ would have done the trick?

Dripping doesn’t begin to cover it :)

I look forward to the day you go over the line and get yourself banned!

939 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:12pm

re: #927 SteveB4

I hope to improve myself in your eyes.

Not my eyes you have to worry about.
I’m nobody.
You, on the other had, have an opportunity to be a productive contributor.
Do with it what you will.

940 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:13pm

They see me trolling, they hating
They try to catch me when I writing dirty

941 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:20pm

re: #898 Athens Runaway

You don’t think it’s racist, you think it’s just blowing racist dog-whistles.

A difference that makes no difference… makes no difference.

Not true. Consider is there a difference between a person being stupid and a person acting stupid because he knows that acting stupid will get laughs out of people?

942 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:36pm

Kudos to the wingnut blogs. There was a bogus story going around about some people being beaten in New Orleans for wearing Palin buttons. A few right wing blogs actually checked some facts and discovered the story was fake. Kudos to wingnuts!

943 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:39pm

re: #909 tradewind

With just his word?
Well, there’s no arguing with that logic. Case closed.

ARRGGHHHhhhh…… His word about 5 others.

944 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:27:42pm

re: #936 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The person who decided on jellybean flavors/colors was racist. He made the black ones taste awful!

[thwack!]

/

945 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:28:09pm

re: #922 Cato the Elder

Liar.

Why the hell would i lie about this? I don’t care. i can hold for 7 seconds and keep going, which suits my lazy ass just fine.

946 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #930 Cato the Elder

SteveB4 is full of shit, and I’m getting an 87% YL92 off his posts.

Indeed. I’m throwing Green Smoke. Fire the Anti-Troll Howitzers!

947 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:28:14pm

re: #935 Dark_Falcon

Very cool. Will look into it.

Will be a bit for me, finances, plus other obligations right now.

948 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:28:26pm

re: #936 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But it’s good for the digestive track.

949 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:28:34pm

re: #930 Cato the Elder

SteveB4 is full of shit, and I’m getting an 87% YL92 off his posts.

I was just going to say…his rhetorical style is eerily familiar. I don’t know if he’s YL, but he does remind me of another young tard who flamed out after a day or two of baiting comments and passive aggressive “I’ll try to look better in your eyes” type crap.

950 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:28:51pm

re: #936 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You could get licoriced for saying something like that.

951 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:29:41pm

re: #917 Aceofwhat?

Good. You have just described the job of a legislator. That would be, as opposed to a jurist, who ought not be interested in what ‘international legal cmmentators’ when ruling on issues of US law and constitutionality.

Ideas are for legislators. Jurists need to make a call. I object because i like my powers separated.

And yet we have judges, and they have to make rulings on issues that may very well be questions of first impression. (aka “make a call”.) That’s what they do. In doing so, they like to offer up reasons for their rulings. (We like that, too: it makes their rulings more understandable and less arbitrary.) Sometimes, those reasons aren’t the simple language of a statute or regulation, because the issue transcends such things. (An archaic statute dealing with a modern issue, for example.)

So we want judges to explain themselves, and we want them to be frank and open about it. And if the best idea on any given issue came from a guy with a funny foreign name, what’s the difference? An idea is an idea. They stand or fall on their merits.

What are you scared of? Honest to God, I don’t get it.

952 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:29:43pm

re: #938 WindUpBird
I had no idea.

953 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:29:47pm

re: #934 darthstar

re: #850 SteveB4


What the hell are you smoking? What governmental power grabs are you talking about? The Unitary Executive? That was the last administration. Health Care Reform? The bill that passed will be a boon to private industry (aka Insurance Companies). Give an example, but don’t just talk out your ass…

I’m in agreement with Krauthammer as far as the healthcare bill goes. Hopefully that says alot without my having to type forever.

954 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:29:54pm

re: #941 jamesfirecat

Not true. Consider is there a difference between a person being stupid and a person acting stupid because he knows that acting stupid will get laughs out of people?

Well, given that I’m not a psychic, and neither are you, it’s impossible to divine the difference.

955 Gus  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:29:58pm

Hasta later.

956 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:30:00pm

re: #942 Killgore Trout

Kudos to the wingnut blogs. There was a bogus story going around about some people being beaten in New Orleans for wearing Palin buttons. A few right wing blogs actually checked some facts and discovered the story was fake. Kudos to wingnuts!

That’s good news. It’s likely an isolated case, but its good that they understood that this fake story could only do damge and buried it like the bag of dead fish it was.

Going to get early dinner. BBL

957 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:30:35pm

re: #936 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The person who decided on jellybean flavors/colors was racist. He made the black ones taste awful!

Hey, once you’ve had black jellybeans… oh never mind.

Not a fan of the licorice I take it? What kind of pudgy veggie are you anyway?

958 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:30:49pm

re: #950 tradewind

You could get licoriced for saying something like that.

Candy is dandy, but licorice is disgusting.

959 simoom  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:31:10pm

re: #941 jamesfirecat

Yup — one does not need to be a racist to cynically exploit racial anxieties in others.

960 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:31:22pm

Can we question their patriotism yet?
Military: Birther Lieutenant Colonel Under Investigation After Refusing Orders (VIDEO)

961 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:31:25pm

Obdicut, you ever finish that book, you slacker?

962 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:31:29pm

re: #940 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They see me trolling, they hating
They try to catch me when I writing dirty

“My butt hurts so bad. I’m screaming.
I hope they don’t see, that I’m a butthurt loser!”

-Ballad of YL92

BBL for real

963 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:31:41pm

re: #949 darthstar

re: #930 Cato the Elder


I was just going to say…his rhetorical style is eerily familiar. I don’t know if he’s YL, but he does remind me of another young tard who flamed out after a day or two of baiting comments and passive aggressive “I’ll try to look better in your eyes” type crap.

Not sure how one is supposed to react to being called a troll. I didn’t figure hostility would go over very well.

964 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:31:58pm

re: #937 Aceofwhat?

i don’t even have a horse in this race. i didn’t press anything and they keep going in english.

but i called back just to make sure because i remember you saying it never happened.

Yep. They have different greetings in Baltimore and wherever you are.

Bullshit.

965 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:32:30pm

re: #958 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Give it another try. it’s tasty, anise really good for the digestion.

966 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:32:31pm

re: #954 Athens Runaway

Well, given that I’m not a psychic, and neither are you, it’s impossible to divine the difference.

I’m just saying, isn’t there in theory a difference between someone who is racist, and someone who realizes that there are people out there who are racist and realizes that he can appeal to them through racism without actually having to drink the koolaid, and so they only put on a racist persona to garner votes?

I mean isn’t that really Nixon’s Southern Strategy in a nut shell….

967 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:32:51pm

re: #961 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I did, I’ve just never talked to you about it. And I’m not in a good emotional space for it right now.

It reminded me of Eco, but lighter, and of Neil Gaiman but with a much better sense of humor. That’s my The Player style review.

968 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:33:20pm

re: #966 jamesfirecat

I’m just saying, isn’t there in theory a difference between someone who is racist, and someone who realizes that there are people out there who are racist and realizes that he can appeal to them through racism without actually having to drink the koolaid, and so they only put on a racist persona to garner votes?

I mean isn’t that really Nixon’s Southern Strategy in a nut shell…

Ding!

We have a winner!

969 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:33:26pm

re: #963 SteveB4

Actually addressing the reasons why people are calling you a troll: e.g. calling a post by Charles a ‘non-troversy’.

970 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:33:50pm

re: #557 cliffster

I disagree with Charles on this issue.

and you disagree with his photographic evidence?

Is it photoshopped? Is it made up?

971 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:33:55pm

re: #963 SteveB4

Not sure how one is supposed to react to being called a troll. I didn’t figure hostility would go over very well.

I disagree as I’ve been called a troll a few times, my response = hostility + facts + talk to Charles since he’s the man with his hand on the troll detector.

972 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:34:44pm

re: #969 Obdicut

Actually addressing the reasons why people are calling you a troll: e.g. calling a post by Charles a ‘non-troversy’.

No kidding, that’s terrible English. Try “a non controversy,” it’s proper.

973 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:35:15pm

re: #966 jamesfirecat

I’m just saying, isn’t there in theory a difference between someone who is racist, and someone who realizes that there are people out there who are racist and realizes that he can appeal to them through racism without actually having to drink the koolaid, and so they only put on a racist persona to garner votes?

I mean isn’t that really Nixon’s Southern Strategy in a nut shell…

there are people on this board who deny the southern strategy!

974 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:35:18pm

re: #969 Obdicut

re: #963 SteveB4

Actually addressing the reasons why people are calling you a troll: e.g. calling a post by Charles a ‘non-troversy’.

I was calling the focus on offensive language a non-troversy, when compared to the infinitely larger story of the passage of the bill itself.

As for Breitbart posting a video clip and pretending that it was from earlier in the day, I agree that he deserved to be called out on that.

975 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:35:24pm

re: #67 Fozzie Bear

/facepalm x eleventy billion

So we’re to take politicians at their word because they have no reason to lie to us, right? The congressman from Indianapolis said he heard a racial slur 15 times and there’s a picture of him wandering through with a videocam. I find it surprising that it could have been yelled that many times and no one has any evidence anywhere.

You are right though. Anyone who takes a politician at their word deserves a facepalm.

976 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:35:45pm

Seems some are lashing out because ACORN wasn’t the SPECTRE they were looking for…

977 sagehen  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:36:23pm

re: #823 Obdicut

Corporations do things all the time to actually weaken national sovereignty, such as Halliburton moving its HQ to Dubai to avoid US taxes.

And y’know, that move should have cost them every single DoD contract. All of them.

Isn’t it funny how it’s only the left, and not the “patriots”, that’s offended by outsourcing military functions to a Dubai corporation…

978 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:36:25pm

re: #966 jamesfirecat

I’m just saying, isn’t there in theory a difference between someone who is racist, and someone who realizes that there are people out there who are racist and realizes that he can appeal to them through racism without actually having to drink the koolaid, and so they only put on a racist persona to garner votes?

I mean isn’t that really Nixon’s Southern Strategy in a nut shell…

Nice try. I’m not getting into that argument. I’m not Nixon or am I his political strategist, so I bear no responsibility for anything he did.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes. There is a THEORETICAL difference, but it’s impossible for us without mutant powers to divine the difference. Accusing someone of Dog-whistling=accusing someone of racism, for all practical purposes.

979 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:36:31pm

re: #976 Varek Raith

Seems some are lashing out because ACORN wasn’t the SPECTRE they were looking for…

No ninjas?

No orbital lasers?

:(

980 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:36:38pm

re: #976 Varek Raith

Seems some are lashing out because ACORN wasn’t the SPECTRE they were looking for…

C’mon. They register poor people. Could they BE more evil?

981 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:36:58pm

re: #876 Varek Raith

Been playing turned based. Thinking about expanding into herbology and conveyance. Any recommendations?

Check and see if there is a pdf file of the game manual in your download, it will help explain more of the game world. It is also a nice read, much of it in the theme of a “period piece”.

Without giving away too much, science and magic are opposing forces in the game. That is to say, they do not mix. Look at the scale on the far right of your character sheet. There is a symbol for magic at the top, and one for science/tech at the bottom, and a needle indicating how far in either direction your character leans. This character has a high tech rating.

The further along on the scale your character is in either direction, the more effective their skills in that direction become, and the less effective they are in the opposite direction. So if you plan on having a character strong in magic, herbology would be a poor discipline choice. Is there a reason you are considering herbology? Perhaps their is a school of magic that may deliver similar results.

The higher level Conveyance spells would be handy for a strong magic character in industrialized cities. Convenient, but not mandatory. I’ll let you find out why for yourself.

982 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:08pm

re: #949 darthstar

I was just going to say…his rhetorical style is eerily familiar. I don’t know if he’s YL, but he does remind me of another young tard who flamed out after a day or two of baiting comments and passive aggressive “I’ll try to look better in your eyes” type crap.

Well there are 2 possible options..SteveB4 really believes what he posts here and is on the up and up…And isn’t a sock of Christmas past
Or.. you folks know every registration we get a few banned Lizards trying to engaged lizards for whatever purpose and games..
Let’s welcome him with open arms and if he is a troll we get to enjoy kicking the crap out of him..
Don’t forget Charles has posted that he has allowed known trolls in just so we can have fun discovering and grilling them up in the past…
/So SteveB Expound on your points…

983 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:10pm

re: #972 Walter L. Newton

Thought about you yesterday. Was using the self checkout… I know how to use one, but the lady had to come save me.

I was like Rainman… “Do I hit the… no… oh! I hit it to early. Definitely wrong… definitely doing this wrong”

By the time she got to me, I was tangled up in the bagger…

She couldn’t understand why I was laughing so hard.

984 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:11pm

re: #979 WindUpBird

No ninjas?

No orbital lasers?

:(

I know! I was so disappointed.

985 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:31pm

re: #976 Varek Raith

Seems some are lashing out because ACORN wasn’t the SPECTRE they were looking for…

That line would’ve been so much better if you still had the Blofeld pic as your avatar. (That was you, right?)

986 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:34pm

re: #951 garhighway

So we want judges to explain themselves, and we want them to be frank and open about it. And if the best idea on any given issue came from a guy with a funny foreign name, what’s the difference? An idea is an idea. They stand or fall on their merits.

What are you scared of? Honest to God, I don’t get it.

Seriously? Yes, i want judges to explain themselves. And if they can’t use US precedent, law, and constitution to explain themselves - guess what - they need to keep working on the case and not bail out on some guy with a funny foreign name. Because i never got the chance to vote for that guy. If the legislators who wrote the law didn’t reference him, he has no business influencing the application of said law.

Judicial ideas don’t stand or fall on their merits. They last. They have a lot more consequence than your run-of-the-mill “idea”. Perhaps that statement better explains our difference on the topic…

987 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:38pm

re: #979 WindUpBird

No ninjas?

No orbital lasers?

:(


And no white pooties

988 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:37:53pm

re: #985 JasonA

That line would’ve been so much better if you still had the Blofeld pic as your avatar. (That was you, right?)

Yes and yes.

989 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:38:07pm

re: #976 Varek Raith

Seems some are lashing out because ACORN wasn’t the SPECTRE they were looking for…

Others persist in pretending that ACORN is The Guild of Calamitous Intent they were looking for… they just got away with it/weren’t investigated enough/were obviously guilty because they helped liberals, etc etc.

990 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:38:08pm

re: #966 jamesfirecat

I’m just saying, isn’t there in theory a difference between someone who is racist, and someone who realizes that there are people out there who are racist and realizes that he can appeal to them through racism without actually having to drink the koolaid, and so they only put on a racist persona to garner votes?

I mean isn’t that really Nixon’s Southern Strategy in a nut shell…

The word you are looking for is “panderer” … all too many pols on the right are pandering to extreme and repugnant groups out of desperation that they wouldn’t have in the past.

The Brand is highly flawed atm, and they are unwilling to listen (like Dominoes did in their latest run of commercials.) At some point it will get to a saving the ship phase, and maybe then sanity will return.

991 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:38:18pm

re: #953 SteveB4

I’m in agreement with Krauthammer as far as the healthcare bill goes. Hopefully that says alot without my having to type forever.

1. “Hello, I’m new here.” √

2. Stupid, racism-minimizing talk about “hurtful language” in first comment. √

3. Assertion that said language was used to ramrod through legislation. √

4. “What, me trolling?” √

5. “I’m new here, remember?” √

6. Comments like the above, refusing to give own opinion, crawling up pundit’s ass instead. √

Troll. Check.

992 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:38:31pm

re: #976 Varek Raith

Seems some are lashing out because ACORN wasn’t the SPECTRE they were looking for…

SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) or it’s half-witted cousin, KAOS. ;)

993 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:38:55pm

re: #981 Slumbering Behemoth

Check and see if there is a pdf file of the game manual in your download, it will help explain more of the game world. It is also a nice read, much of it in the theme of a “period piece”.

Without giving away too much, science and magic are opposing forces in the game. That is to say, they do not mix. Look at the scale on the far right of your character sheet. There is a symbol for magic at the top, and one for science/tech at the bottom, and a needle indicating how far in either direction your character leans. This character has a high tech rating.

The further along on the scale your character is in either direction, the more effective their skills in that direction become, and the less effective they are in the opposite direction. So if you plan on having a character strong in magic, herbology would be a poor discipline choice. Is there a reason you are considering herbology? Perhaps their is a school of magic that may deliver similar results.

The higher level Conveyance spells would be handy for a strong magic character in industrialized cities. Convenient, but not mandatory. I’ll let you find out why for yourself.

Awesome. Thanks!

994 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:39:04pm

I’m in a real hater kind of mood today. It feels good.

995 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #960 Killgore Trout


He has the right and the opportunity to resign from the military if he does not wish to obey orders, but if he wishes to stay in the military and disobey orders, he is compelled to face the consequences.

Those who found the Gulf War illegal or morally objectionable faced the same fate.

But he serves a purpose: he keeps the nontroversy alive and gets media attention. And that is what these nirthers thrive on.

996 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:39:19pm

re: #992 badger1970

SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) or it’s half-witted cousin, KAOS. ;)

At first I thought you said KOS.

997 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:39:38pm

re: #981 Slumbering Behemoth

There is a PDF of the game manual along with the patch, unofficial patch, high quality town maps etc here:

terra-arcanum.com

998 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:39:57pm

re: #991 Cato the Elder

1. “Hello, I’m new here.” √

2. Stupid, racism-minimizing talk about “hurtful language” in first comment. √

3. Assertion that said language was used to ramrod through legislation. √

4. “What, me trolling?” √

5. “I’m new here, remember?” √

6. Comments like the above, refusing to give own opinion, crawling up pundit’s ass instead. √

Troll. Check.

I think you have it pegged …. who knows, maybe it’s Sailer.

999 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:15pm

re: #967 Obdicut

I did, I’ve just never talked to you about it. And I’m not in a good emotional space for it right now.

It reminded me of Eco, but lighter, and of Neil Gaiman but with a much better sense of humor. That’s my The Player style review.

Cool enough.

1000 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:31pm

re: #992 badger1970

SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) or it’s half-witted cousin, KAOS. ;)

SPHINX!

Youtube Video

1001 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:36pm

re: #972 Walter L. Newton

No, that wouldn’t actually be proper, Walter. Non-controversy could be called ‘proper’, which is where Charles (I believe) created “nontroversy” from.

1002 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:44pm

re: #959 simoom

Yup — one does not need to be a racist to cynically exploit racial anxieties in others.

Is the latter much better than the former, though?

1003 tradewind  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:49pm

re: #980 garhighway

They register poor people..

…. dead people, too.

1004 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:56pm

re: #1000 WindUpBird

SPHINX!


[Video]

YES!

Best show on Adult Swim.

1005 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:40:59pm

Sanity Example-And I truly hope to see a lot more of this kind of rebuke-
From Politico

GOP chair rebukes tea party ‘militia’
The Associated Press has reported that tea party movement leaders and two Republican Oklahoma state lawmakers — Rep. Charles Key and Sen. Randy Brogdon, also a candidate for governor — have discussed forming a militia to defend against what they see as federal infringements on the state’s rights.

In a phone interview, Jones said that Key, Brogdon and the tea party activists are only talking about forming a militia because “they are trying to make themselves out to be bigger than they are.”

“A lot of these people don’t care about being the majority, they just want a megaphone. They want a voice,” the state GOP chairman said. “Once they get a reporter to cover a story they have a megaphone, and they get pretty loud.”

Jones insisted that Oklahoma Republicans will not follow this “small faction within the party.”

Read more: politico.com

1006 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:41:05pm

re: #997 Locker

There is a PDF of the game manual along with the patch, unofficial patch, high quality town maps etc here:

[Link: www.terra-arcanum.com…]

Yep, got those.
:)

1007 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:41:19pm

re: #983 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thought about you yesterday. Was using the self checkout… I know how to use one, but the lady had to come save me.

I was like Rainman… “Do I hit the… no… oh! I hit it to early. Definitely wrong… definitely doing this wrong”

By the time she got to me, I was tangled up in the bagger…

She couldn’t understand why I was laughing so hard.

Well, they “trained” me last Sunday, but my “trainer” stunk, as far as I am concerned. I’m not saying she couldn’t train, but she couldn’t train me. I’m hands on, that’s how I managed to be working behind the regular register in 4 hours.

But this woman was all MOUTH, rambling a mile a minute, to many assumptions because she’s been doing this 30 years, and not letting me touch anything. I took a few notes between her long chattering, but it was hopeless.

Between 9-10pm she left me. It was so funny… thank goodness for the CANCEL key on the handset. I don’t know how much I may or may not of cost the company for that one hour, but dammit, no one was held up waiting for me to figure anything out.

1008 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:41:25pm

re: #1004 Athens Runaway

YES!

Best show on Adult Swim.

best show on TV period 8-)

1009 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:42:09pm

re: #1008 WindUpBird

best show on TV period 8-)

I want to be Dr. Orpheus when I grow up.

1010 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:42:14pm

re: #982 HoosierHoops

re: #949 darthstar


Well there are 2 possible options..SteveB4 really believes what he posts here and is on the up and up…And isn’t a sock of Christmas past
Or.. you folks know every registration we get a few banned Lizards trying to engaged lizards for whatever purpose and games..
Let’s welcome him with open arms and if he is a troll we get to enjoy kicking the crap out of him..
Don’t forget Charles has posted that he has allowed known trolls in just so we can have fun discovering and grilling them up in the past…
/So SteveB Expound on your points…

re: #991 Cato the Elder

re: #953 SteveB4


1. “Hello, I’m new here.” √

2. Stupid, racism-minimizing talk about “hurtful language” in first comment. √

3. Assertion that said language was used to ramrod through legislation. √

4. “What, me trolling?” √

5. “I’m new here, remember?” √

6. Comments like the above, refusing to give own opinion, crawling up pundit’s ass instead. √

Troll. Check.

If by “racism-minimizing” you mean that I think the passage of the bill is a much more important issue than some inbred anonymous rednecks in a crowd shouting names, then I suppose I am.

1011 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:42:40pm

re: #1000 WindUpBird

SPHINX!


[Video]

GO TEAM VENTURE!

1012 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:42:44pm

re: #1001 Obdicut

No, that wouldn’t actually be proper, Walter. Non-controversy could be called ‘proper’, which is where Charles (I believe) created “nontroversy” from.

It was a silly comment on my part, to break into the thread, nothing serious meant by it.

1013 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:42:45pm

re: #1005 Rightwingconspirator

Wow, that is the opposite of what’s going on in NM. Nice to see.

1014 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:42:54pm

re: #1005 Rightwingconspirator

Man, I hope so. The momentum of these guys needs to be stopped early.

1015 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:43:04pm

re: #1010 SteveB4

If by “racism-minimizing” you mean that I think the passage of the bill is a much more important issue than some inbred anonymous rednecks in a crowd shouting names, then I suppose I am.

If you have a problem with the bill start telling us what it is and stop QQing about how no one cares about the bill because of racism.

1016 garhighway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:43:39pm

re: #986 Aceofwhat?

Seriously? Yes, i want judges to explain themselves. And if they can’t use US precedent, law, and constitution to explain themselves - guess what - they need to keep working on the case and not bail out on some guy with a funny foreign name. Because i never got the chance to vote for that guy. If the legislators who wrote the law didn’t reference him, he has no business influencing the application of said law.

Judicial ideas don’t stand or fall on their merits. They last. They have a lot more consequence than your run-of-the-mill “idea”. Perhaps that statement better explains our difference on the topic…

You never get a chance to vote for a lot of the people the US Supremes read and cite. Law review articles, learned treatises, studies… it is all grist for the mill of judicial thought. That’s routine, and even the Righties are OK with that. So long as the author has the right passport.

And not all ideas last. Hint: Plessy.

And the legislators that wrote the law may very well be long dead.

I say this with the gentlest possible intent: I don’t think you know much about how the law works.

And with that, I gotta go.

1017 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:43:48pm

re: #938 WindUpBird

“That’s it, you’re on the list!”

1018 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:00pm

re: #977 sagehen

And y’know, that move should have cost them every single DoD contract. All of them.

Isn’t it funny how it’s only the left, and not the “patriots”, that’s offended by outsourcing military functions to a Dubai corporation…

Yes. And i only favor lower taxes because i hate the poor. It has absolutely nothing to do with creating a more favorable environment for organizations who create jobs…

1019 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:05pm

re: #1015 jamesfirecat

upding for the use of QQing

1020 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:23pm

re: #1011 Varek Raith

GO TEAM VENTURE!

Pfft.

Order of the Triad is where it’s at.

“I hunt Blackulas.”

1021 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:29pm

re: #1009 Athens Runaway

I want to be Dr. Orpheus when I grow up.

“It will not be a quarter I pull out from behind your ear BUT YOUR VERY SOUL!”

1022 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:41pm

re: #1019 JasonA

upding for the use of QQing

‘Splain it for the old lady?

1023 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:51pm

re: #1008 WindUpBird

best show on TV period 8-)

Don’t start… don’t start… I am going to MISS the only hour of TV I watch each week, tonight, because I have “new hire” training for 4 hours tonight. I will have to watch LOST tomorrow morning on line. (I’m too poor for Tivo).

“New Hire” Training? I’ve been working for three weeks now, in this business, that’s tenure.

1024 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:44:56pm

re: #1017 windsagio

“That’s it, you’re on the list!”

heeheehee

1025 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:45:07pm

re: #1010 SteveB4

If by “racism-minimizing” you mean that I think the passage of the bill is a much more important issue than some inbred anonymous rednecks in a crowd shouting names, then I suppose I am.

We debated that bill for months, countrywide and here on this blog.

That’s not the subject of this thread.

And here’s a clue for you: Charles gets irked when people imply he’s not posting what he ought to be posting.

But by all means, carry on. I’m now 99% sure we’ve seen you here before, and that you won’t last long.

1026 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:45:33pm

re: #907 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can’t wait for cena to kick that guys butt tonight.

1027 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:45:35pm

re: #1023 Walter L. Newton

Don’t start… don’t start… I am going to MISS the only hour of TV I watch each week, tonight, because I have “new hire” training for 4 hours tonight. I will have to watch LOST tomorrow morning on line. (I’m too poor for Tivo).

“New Hire” Training? I’ve been working for three weeks now, in this business, that’s tenure.

hahaha did you know there’s actually a direct reference to LOST in Venture Bros.? The writers are fans of Lost ^_^

1028 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #1008 WindUpBird

best show on TV period 8-)

Best minor villain.. Manic 8-Ball

1029 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:46:03pm

re: #1023 Walter L. Newton

You should try Venture, its really something special.

1030 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:46:50pm

re: #1027 WindUpBird

re: #1029 windsagio

I don’t even know what that is.

1031 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:46:55pm

re: #1015 jamesfirecat

re: #1010 SteveB4


If you have a problem with the bill start telling us what it is and stop QQing about how no one cares about the bill because of racism.

As I said at the beginning, I believe the racism thing is a distraction from the bill. Neither argument (pro or con) even involves race in any way.

It is difficult to elaborate when I’m being told that I’m a troll over and over again. I’ve read this site for years but the fact of the matter is that I’ve never had the opportunity to register before now. I was a regular at another forum for a long time but it was overrun by Ron Paul worshippers, so I left.

1032 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:47:02pm

re: #1025 Cato the Elder

We debated that bill for months, countrywide and here on this blog.

That’s not the subject of this thread.

And here’s a clue for you: Charles gets irked when people imply he’s not posting what he ought to be posting.

Which is why when people here are pissed at one of his posts, they don’t bitch to Charles about it, they merely attack all of us in thread who agree with the story, because we’re safe targets, then try to come up with some false equivalency to get the thread off the topic. 8-)

1033 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:47:21pm

re: #1030 Walter L. Newton

adultswim.com

1034 Right Brain  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:47:30pm

“Argument from ignorance” who dreamed up that bastardization of propositional logic?

The correct term is argumentum ex silentio, an argument from silence, which has a simpler meaning and sans the name-calling inherent in the popish term said earlier.

The default position of an argument is not. Claiming there was racist name-calling puts the onus on the person who claimed to have heard it; stating that no one can prove it didn’t happen and thus it did, is an argumentum ex silentio, and in the face of many recordings, and obviously none of them silent, none of which picked up this name-calling, the rule of parsimony guides us here: the simplest explanation is the one with the fewest assumptions: the speaker is a liar.

1035 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:47:43pm

re: #1030 Walter L. Newton

Its an animated show, that started as a straight-up parody of Johnny Quest.

From there, it’s evolved into something quite special, about the beauty of failure.

1036 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:47:45pm

re: #1021 WindUpBird

“It will not be a quarter I pull out from behind your ear BUT YOUR VERY SOUL!”

Be nice to me. I’ll put your soul into a “Homeboyz” doll that I got for a quarter from the vending machine.

1037 predator_intelligence  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:08pm

Actually I think this quote from Charles shows a logical fallacy.

This is a perfect example of a logical fallacy known as an “argument from ignorance,” taken to a wingnut extreme. It says that the lack of evidence (in this one video) that the ‘N’ word was shouted proves that the congressmen are lying.

I mean based on Charles standard…think where that takes us.

Hypothetical example.
Some Repub congressman go to an anti war rally for instance…and lets say they claim they are smeared verbally or whatever. We have their word for it and that is it. With thousands around them nobody can show any video evidence corroborating what they say. Someone from the left offers a 100K reward for any video evidence backing up what they say. Nobody claims it because there appears to be none available despite thousands of individuals, news crews and more.

And yet based on Charles standard…without any evidence we are to assume these individuals were smeared and the anti war people did mistreat them. Is that fair? Is that the way we do things? We require evidence I believe.

Obviously most people on this board believe the even happened. Yet I believe in my hypothetical example…they would go the other way…and ask for the proof.

Are you guys now this partisan?

I dont know. In our society we have something that is referred to as innocent until proven guilty.

Here we have a situation where you are trying to say the tea party people are guilty until proven innocent. Where is the video proof? With a 100k reward don’t you think someone would collect?

It seems to me I recall the congressman walking through the crowds with what appeared to be cameras and possibly video recorders. I imagine if they had these incidents on tape they would gladly turn them over.

Finally lets say for argument the N word was used by some. I cannot believe the majority of the people on this board then use a broad brush to smear all in the group.

Are you people that partisan that you toss reason and common sense out the window?

1038 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:16pm

re: #1010 SteveB4

If by “racism-minimizing” you mean that I think the passage of the bill is a much more important issue than some inbred anonymous rednecks in a crowd shouting names, then I suppose I am.

surely we have the capacity to address both simultaneously…

1039 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:19pm

re: #861 Aceofwhat?

quite right.

by the way, if you call Comcast and your phone number is on the account (i.e. the system identifies you as a current customer), you have to press 1 for English.

it doesn’t bother me. never did. but it’s not a fantasy. i had to call them yesterday to ask why a particular service wasn’t working and was reminded of the topic.

anything else i can help you with today?

When I called yesterday to pay my bill, it greeted me with “Welcome to Comcast”, and then told me in Spanish to press 9 for Spanish.

1040 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:19pm

re: #993 Varek Raith

Glad to be of service.

re: #997 Locker

How are you liking the game so far? What kind of character you going with?

1041 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:20pm

re: #1010 SteveB4

If by “racism-minimizing” you mean that I think the passage of the bill is a much more important issue than some inbred anonymous rednecks in a crowd shouting names, then I suppose I am.

Do not dogpile on Steve. So he doesn’t like the bill, and called it a “train wreck”.

I simply say that if the bill is a train wreck, the alternative was a jumbo jet falling out of the sky every ten minutes.

The racist comments and reactions from all sides distracted from an important discussion that this nation needed to undertake.

The bill passed but the discussion was a failure.

1042 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:21pm

re: #1036 Athens Runaway

haha I was hoping htat was on youtube, sadly it wasn’t.

1043 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:25pm

re: #1034 Right Brain

Why on earth is it simpler to conclude that someone is a liar than someone shouted a racial epithet? I’ve heard plenty of racial epithets shouted in my time.

I swear to god, logic is crying in a corner right now.

1044 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:32pm

WTF is this… national sock day?

1045 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:51pm

re: #1028 Locker

My favorite of the side villians was Killinger :D

Also, the guy with the plug head and the guy with the holographic space invader head, that don’t have names. They kill me.

1046 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:48:52pm

re: #1034 Right Brain

“Argument from ignorance” who dreamed up that bastardization of propositional logic?

The correct term is argumentum ex silentio, an argument from silence, which has a simpler meaning and sans the name-calling inherent in the popish term said earlier.

The default position of an argument is not. Claiming there was racist name-calling puts the onus on the person who claimed to have heard it; stating that no one can prove it didn’t happen and thus it did, is an argumentum ex silentio, and in the face of many recordings, and obviously none of them silent, none of which picked up this name-calling, the rule of parsimony guides us here: the simplest explanation is the one with the fewest assumptions: the speaker is a liar.

Popish?

1047 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:17pm

re: #1037 predator_intelligence

I forsee a day when we’ll be speaking of the ‘class of 2007’.

1048 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:31pm

re: #1030 Walter L. Newton

re: #1029 windsagio

I don’t even know what that is.

en.wikipedia.org

1049 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:32pm

re: #1033 Locker

[Link: www.adultswim.com…]

Animation… nope, can’t stand animation of any sort. I’m watching a little bit of “Death Note” every week right now because of a family rule we have around here about sharing interests, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be watching that. Ain’t gonna add another animation show to my sparse TV watching.

1050 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:37pm

re: #1016 garhighway

ok. we’ll pick it up another time. you can have the last post on it.

1051 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:49pm

Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I’ll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you.


;)

1052 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:49pm

re: #1046 Cato the Elder

Oh, nice catch, Cato.

Right Brain, you can fuck right off.

1053 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:49:53pm

re: #1045 WindUpBird

I like how it hints that Killinger really is Kissenger.

That makes me soooo happy!

1054 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:50:02pm

re: #1045 WindUpBird

My favorite of the side villians was Killinger :D

Also, the guy with the plug head and the guy with the holographic space invader head, that don’t have names. They kill me.

Grand Galactic Inquisitor.

Youtube Video

1055 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:50:15pm

re: #1044 Locker

WTF is this… national sock day?

It’s a sign: “Get back to work on your taxes!!1!”

It’s a sign meant for me….

1056 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:50:27pm

re: #1037 predator_intelligence

SteveB4, Right Brain, and now this guy.

It’s Trollapalooza!

1057 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:50:35pm

re: #1040 Slumbering Behemoth

Glad to be of service.

re: #997 Locker

How are you liking the game so far? What kind of character you going with?

See my #887 for some data. I’ve started over about 4 times so far but right now I’m playing a Dwarf who will eventually use firearms but starting out high in that skill is a bad idea. Have a few schematics, four followers etc.

1058 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:50:53pm

re: #1043 Obdicut

Why on earth is it simpler to conclude that someone is a liar than someone shouted a racial epithet? I’ve heard plenty of racial epithets shouted in my time.

I swear to god, logic is crying in a corner right now.

No.
What happened, folks have picked up on what’s going on at LGF, and there was apparently some sort of campaign, people sitting and waiting for an open reg, and they all registered at once.

I’m gonna GAZE.

1059 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:50:54pm

re: #1034 Right Brain

“Argument from ignorance” who dreamed up that bastardization of propositional logic?

The correct term is argumentum ex silentio, an argument from silence, which has a simpler meaning and sans the name-calling inherent in the popish term said earlier.

The default position of an argument is not. Claiming there was racist name-calling puts the onus on the person who claimed to have heard it; stating that no one can prove it didn’t happen and thus it did, is an argumentum ex silentio, and in the face of many recordings, and obviously none of them silent, none of which picked up this name-calling, the rule of parsimony guides us here: the simplest explanation is the one with the fewest assumptions: the speaker is a liar.

another denier.

Hi, denier!

are you also going to bring up Al Sharpton? because that would be swell.

1060 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:51:10pm

re: #1049 Walter L. Newton

You can’t even remotely compare it to Japanese animation. You have to consider, their writing is about the level of the American Silver Age.

If you’re just bigoted against animation in general you’re missing out on a WHOLE lot >>

1061 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:51:22pm

re: #1047 windsagio

Watch it, buddy.

1062 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:51:39pm

re: #1047 windsagio

I forsee a day when we’ll be speaking of the ‘class of 2007’.

It’s going to be years before you get to the class of ‘09. That was a damn good year.

1063 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:51:45pm

re: #1058 reine.de.tout

I can’t believe someone actually said “Popish”. That’s goddamn brazen.

1064 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:51:54pm

re: #1059 WindUpBird

Ayers!

1065 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:51:57pm

re: #1060 windsagio

You can’t even remotely compare it to Japanese animation. You have to consider, their writing is about the level of the American Silver Age.

If you’re just bigoted against animation in general you’re missing out on a WHOLE lot >>

I don’t like animation, not any form, period.

1066 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:52:01pm

Hi boys and girls! Happy Tuesday to you all! Anything exciting going on?

1067 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:52:16pm

re: #1037 predator_intelligence

tsk. this would be no more than a nontroversy about what a few rednecks may have said if TP organizers and moderators would just spend 30 seconds per rally putting their foot down.

that is why you fail

1068 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:52:22pm

re: #1061 Slumbering Behemoth

Watch it, buddy.

Class of 2007 here, myself.

1069 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:52:32pm

re: #1058 reine.de.tout

No.
What happened, folks have picked up on what’s going on at LGF, and there was apparently some sort of campaign, people sitting and waiting for an open reg, and they all registered at once.

I’m gonna GAZE.

we do seem to have a wave of crazy o_o

1070 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:52:42pm

re: #1060 windsagio

Cowboy Bebop, Wolf Rain and Slayers. Anything else is just short cuts.

1071 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:52:46pm

re: #1065 Walter L. Newton

I don’t like animation, not any form, period.

I can get pretty animated, but I’ll try to be calmer next time we meet.

1072 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:53:00pm

re: #1058 reine.de.tout

Hey sweetie!

1073 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:53:06pm

re: #1061 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, no offense >>

1074 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:53:23pm

re: #1045 WindUpBird

My favorite of the side villians was Killinger :D

Also, the guy with the plug head and the guy with the holographic space invader head, that don’t have names. They kill me.

Yea I only remember seeing those guys in the Yard Sale episode. Favorite major villain is, of course, The Monarch. Wife and I made great costumes a year ago and went as The Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend. No one knew who we were and everyone kept claiming that the wife was in a Jackie O costume.

1075 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:53:26pm

re: #1063 Obdicut

I can’t believe someone actually said “Popish”. That’s goddamn brazen.


I believe the term is “papal”…

/

1076 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:53:45pm

re: #1043 Obdicut

Why on earth is it simpler to conclude that someone is a liar than someone shouted a racial epithet? I’ve heard plenty of racial epithets shouted in my time.

I swear to god, logic is crying in a corner right now.

Logic would demand evidence of the slur, you’re not even curious about the fact there isn’t any evidence other than the word of a politician. Are you always so trusting when a pol tells you something, I’m betting not. I don’t doubt that it “could” have happened but without any evidence that it did how am I supposed to make the leap to believing it did?

1077 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:53:52pm

Man, page goes nuts and I miss out on a Venture Bros discussion. WTF

1078 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:54:12pm

re: #1070 badger1970

I’m not gonna get into that. You can really enjoy tripe (God Knows I do), and still acknowledge that its tripe >>

1079 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:54:16pm

re: #1076 RogueOne

You are not having a good day.

Did you read my initial post?

1080 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:54:30pm

re: #1077 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man, page goes nuts and I miss out on a Venture Bros discussion. WTF

We’re still going. :D

“THIS IS ALL HAPPENING!”

1081 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:54:49pm

re: #1076 RogueOne

Logic would demand evidence of the slur, you’re not even curious about the fact there isn’t any evidence other than the word of a politician. Are you always so trusting when a pol tells you something, I’m betting not. I don’t doubt that it “could” have happened but without any evidence that it did how am I supposed to make the leap to believing it did?

Et tu? :(

1082 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:54:56pm

re: #1039 SanFranciscoZionist

When I called yesterday to pay my bill, it greeted me with “Welcome to Comcast”, and then told me in Spanish to press 9 for Spanish.

That’s fine. Like i said, i called right back just to make sure i head what i heard. I wonder if they have different recordings by region? I’m really not lying about it, but it’s really not a big deal. It doesn’t bother me in the least.

1083 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:01pm

re: #1077 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not over yet!

I’ma gonna try to convince Walter to get over his irrational hate of animation.

If Venture Brothers won’t break that illusion, nothing will!

1084 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:05pm

re: #1074 Locker

Yea I only remember seeing those guys in the Yard Sale episode. Favorite major villain is, of course, The Monarch. Wife and I made great costumes a year ago and went as The Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend. No one knew who we were and everyone kept claiming that the wife was in a Jackie O costume.

Wait, Dr. Girlfriend ISN’T Jackie O????

The mind boggles.

Okay, later gators. I SHALL RETURN ANOTHER TIME *dramatic Dr. Orpheus music*

1085 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:19pm

re: #1063 Obdicut

I can’t believe someone actually said “Popish”. That’s goddamn brazen.

Indeed.

You know, I disagree regularly with many people here (and they with me)
And there’s no secret to it.
And I’m usually treated courteously, and seriously enough, at least, that people will respond to me.

It can be done.
Why some folks don’t want to do it is beyond me.

1086 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:35pm

re: #1062 RogueOne

It’s going to be years before you get to the class of ‘09. That was a damn good year.

indeed

1087 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:35pm

re: #1063 Obdicut

I can’t believe someone actually said “Popish”. That’s goddamn brazen.

okay, I have no idea, what’s “popish”?

1088 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:50pm

re: #1079 Obdicut

Yes. Does his courage during a brutal time in our history give him a free pass to make unsupported accusations 40 years later? You believe it because you want to, I expect a bit of proof.

1089 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:55:57pm

re: #1066 Dragon_Lady

Hi boys and girls! Happy Tuesday to you all! Anything exciting going on?

heheh.
Maybe too much excitement at just this precise moment.

1090 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:21pm

re: #1083 windsagio

Not over yet!

I’ma gonna try to convince Walter to get over his irrational hate of animation.

If Venture Brothers won’t break that illusion, nothing will!

but why *sobbing* didn’t they keep Patrick Wharburton…why…why…

1091 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:27pm

re: #1072 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey sweetie!

{FBV}
Good to see you here.

1092 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:31pm

re: #1087 WindUpBird

okay, I have no idea, what’s “popish”?

popish [ˈpəʊpɪʃ]
adj
(Christianity / Roman Catholic Church) Derogatory belonging to or characteristic of Roman Catholicism
popishly adv

1093 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:32pm

re: #1081 WindUpBird

Et tu? :(

Especially me! When people make an accusation they better have evidence. Right, left, right or wrong.

1094 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:34pm

I believe I am going to have a large salad and possibly some chicken for dinner tonight. Can we all just agree on that?

1095 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:45pm

re: #1089 reine.de.tout

heheh.
Maybe too much excitement at just this precise moment.

Hi Reine, how are you today? I see the posts are flying like birds today.

1096 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:56:52pm

re: #1037 predator_intelligence

We do have some evidence-Several people there including a CNN reporter heard the slurs. Then we see some racism/racist signs are often see at Tea Party events. So we have testimony consistent with know behavior. Few if anyone here are calling all the Tea Party people racist. Broad brush often gets called out, not always. Of course this is no trial so presumed innocence starts to this given the known atmosphere, people and organizations involved. I admit no concrete proof has surfaced. No physical evidence. But a deceptive video sure helped me make up my mind who is FOS this time. After all it’s just my opinion anyway.

1097 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:57:14pm

re: #1078 windsagio

I’m not gonna get into that. You can really enjoy tripe (God Knows I do), and still acknowledge that its tripe >>

masterfully done, there;)

1098 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:57:19pm
Henchman 21, there’s a taxi idling in the driveway awaiting his fair… slay him!


:)

1099 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:57:20pm

re: #892 marjoriemoon

I’ve got a real-life example of anti-semitism in retail. Years back I went to a Coldwater Creek store in Palo Alto, CA to purchase semi-precious stone jewelry for my then wife. This is the only time I’ve EVER shopped there and had no intention of returning anytime soon.. At the register, I was asked for personal information beyond that of my ID. When I inquired as to why it was all necessary, the lady behind the counter responded with, “Are you Jewish?” When I responded in the negative, she responded with,”Oh…[looks suspiciously at me], because it’s always those Jews who are so secretive.” I was stunned. I left the counter and found a manager who eyed me in a different way [hint: he wasn’t hetero - my gaydar was ringing loudly] and upon hearing my complaint said, “Oh, she’s probably just stressed, just ignore it,” and he just walked away.

This was in Palo Alto, CA, home to Stanford University. Obviously I went elsewhere for the stones.

1100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:00pm

re: #1085 reine.de.tout

You and I have some deep, deep, deep policy divides, but I absolutely trust your integrity.

Jefferson and Hamilton thought each other’s political philosophies were completely wrong, but they still both supported each other over Burr, because they knew that each other were at least honorable men, unlike Burr.

I wish that attitude was more prevalent today, among politicians. It used to be that Democrats and Republicans were colleagues, and the real competition was between the Senate and the House— where it was a lot healthier for the nation.

1101 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:01pm

re: #1090 Aceofwhat?

You are mistaken, he didn’t go anywhere >>

1102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:07pm

re: #1090 Aceofwhat?

The best voice artist around. And, he only does one voice. Best delivery of lines.

1103 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #1087 WindUpBird

okay, I have no idea, what’s “popish”?

It’s an insult aimed at Catholics.

1104 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:35pm

Popish - wiki


Popish - free online dictionary

pop·ish (ppsh)
adj. Offensive
Of or relating to the popes or the Roman Catholic Church.

1105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:37pm

re: #1094 negativ

I believe I am going to have a large salad and possibly some chicken for dinner tonight. Can we all just agree on that?

Uh… no. Unless you leave the chicken alone.

1106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:46pm

re: #1054 Athens Runaway

HAHAHA YES I love the inquisitor!

my favorite is when he shows up at the end in a TAXICAB, I about fell out of my chair laughing :D

1107 sagehen  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:58:56pm

re: #1031 SteveB4

As I said at the beginning, I believe the racism thing is a distraction from the bill. Neither argument (pro or con) even involves race in any way.

Then why does Rush Limbaugh keep saying the health care bill is all about reparations, that people should oppose it for that reason?

1108 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:59:01pm

re: #1105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh… no. Unless you leave the chicken alone.

he needs to eat the chicken, and leave the pie for you, IMO.

1109 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:59:01pm

Isn’t that the guy from Depeche Mode?

Youtube Video

1110 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:59:18pm

re: #1097 Aceofwhat?

Heh, Trash Anime is the guilty secret that keeps me from dying of boredom at work. I have like 300+ hours of grey-market dvds in my room.

I’m just usually too embarassed to talk about it, and the culture that’s grown around the stuff makes me very very upset.

1111 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:59:28pm

re: #1094 negativ

I believe I am going to have a large salad and possibly some chicken for dinner tonight. Can we all just agree on that?

depends…what’s in the salad??!!?

1112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 2:59:48pm

re: #1108 reine.de.tout

There’s pie?

1113 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:00:17pm

re: #1109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Isn’t that the guy from Depeche Mode?

[Video]

Laugh I can’t see the video at work but that was a great dialog from the Yard Sale episode.

Isn’t that the guy from Depeche Mode? He’s with a girl.
That guy is TOTALLY straight I saw a whole thing about it on the VH1.

1114 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:00:23pm

re: #1107 sagehen

Then why does Rush Limbaugh keep saying the health care bill is all about reparations, that people should oppose it for that reason?

Because Rush is a racist, douche-bag that needs the ratings to make him look like the big dog in the Republican party.

1115 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:00:30pm

re: #1109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I so love the weird way they pronounce “Depeche Mode”.

1116 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:00:43pm

re: #1100 Obdicut

You and I have some deep, deep, deep policy divides, but I absolutely trust your integrity.

Jefferson and Hamilton thought each other’s political philosophies were completely wrong, but they still both supported each other over Burr, because they knew that each other were at least honorable men, unlike Burr.

I wish that attitude was more prevalent today, among politicians. It used to be that Democrats and Republicans were colleagues, and the real competition was between the Senate and the House— where it was a lot healthier for the nation.

It seems to me our differences are often (but not always) a matter of where that line should be drawn for balance.

I suspect what we see going on here is quite often what goes on in the halls of Congress (without the need for posturing for the various constituencies).

1117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:00:44pm

re: #1110 windsagio

That’s all well and good, but you’re “anime guy” to me now, so go cry into your life-sized pillow in the shape of some big-eyed alien girl-thing.

///

1118 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:00:58pm

re: #1103 Obdicut

It’s an insult aimed at Catholics.

Interchangeable with “papist”.

1119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:16pm

re: #1117 Obdicut

That’s all well and good, but you’re “anime guy” to me now, so go cry into your life-sized pillow in the shape of some big-eyed alien girl-thing.

///

ahahahahahahahahahaha

1120 SteveB4  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:19pm

re: #1107 sagehen

re: #1031 SteveB4


Then why does Rush Limbaugh keep saying the health care bill is all about reparations, that people should oppose it for that reason?

I have no idea, I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh.

1121 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:33pm

Goin’ on midnite here in Old Europe, gotta get to bed.

May the Spirit of Donald Rumsfeld be with you

There are known that we know and known that are unknown and unknown unknown and the stoner zones and the bone drones and the home tones and the moanin’ groans…

1122 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:38pm

re: #1066 Dragon_Lady

There be trolls lurking about these parts today. This thread has drawn them out. We even have a suspected YoungLib sighting.

1123 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:46pm

re: #1117 Obdicut

That’s all well and good, but you’re “anime guy” to me now, so go cry into your life-sized pillow in the shape of some big-eyed alien girl-thing.

///

homestarrunner.com

1124 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:47pm

re: #1117 Obdicut

I hate you so very much at this instant >>

1125 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:48pm

re: #1118 Cato the Elder

Interchangeable with “papist”.

It definitely implies that Catholics have a first loyalty to the Pope and the Vatican— it’s one of the things that was hurled against JFK.

It’s just as bullshit as being racist.

1126 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:56pm

re: #1118 Cato the Elder

First time I heard that word, Social Studies, 8th grade, Al Smith topic.

1127 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:01:59pm

re: #1114 badger1970

Because Rush is a racist, douche-bag that needs the ratings to make him look like the big dog in the Republican party.

Au contraire - he is the big dog in the Republican party. The Republican party is now the political arm of the Conservative media. They’ve lost control of their message and talking points.

1128 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:03pm

re: #1112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There’s pie?

There’s always pie.

1129 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:09pm

re: #1083 windsagio

Not over yet! I’ma gonna try to convince Walter to get over his irrational hate of animation. If Venture Brothers won’t break that illusion, nothing will!

You can’t. It started a long time ago. When I was growing up in the 50’s, all we had was a black and white TV that got only 3 channels (I tried to make believe we were continental and living in Eastern France, but that didn’t work). And one of the stations, channel 9, had all these old cartoons with stick-figure like cats and mice, all running around to vaudevillian styled music, beating each other up all the time. I’m mean, it was really lame… and these “things” didn’t really have any bodies or recognizable sexual organs, so I didn’t even know if they were male or females.

Well, when I grew up, I had thought I had forgotten about these vile little creatures, but I was at a Christmas party, I was 18, and someone was passing around a pipe. Well, I didn’t know it, but this pipe didn’t have pot in it, it was opiated hash. Three hours later, I was outside, in the snow, and there was all these animated cats and mice running all over my body, it was bizarre. I started ripping off my clothes, they had gotten under my coat and shirt and pants… and the next thing I remember was all my friends standing around me, I’m naked, and making snow-angels.

I don’t like animation.

1130 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:22pm

re: #1123 Locker

You gotta have blue hair!

1131 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:22pm

re: #1101 windsagio

You are mistaken, he didn’t go anywhere >>

Wha?? Why isn’t Brock in newer episodes??

1132 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:23pm

re: #1124 windsagio

I hate you so very much at this instant >>

Come on, furries are still lower on the food chain :D

1133 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:39pm

SMURFS DONT LAY EGGS!!

Youtube Video

1134 badger1970  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:02:56pm

re: #1127 Renaissance_Man

Correct, I just looked over the elephant in the room and pretended it wasn’t there.

1135 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:03:02pm

re: #1124 windsagio

Whats sad, is I know people that are like more awful versions of the stuff than I do, but I can’t out them without revealing my own depressing knowledge of the genre.

1136 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:03:03pm

re: #1095 Dragon_Lady

Hi Reine, how are you today? I see the posts are flying like birds today.

hehe.
yep.
trying to catch up, I am.

1137 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:03:42pm

re: #1129 Walter L. Newton

OK you win. I won’t try to convince you :P

1138 sagehen  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:03:45pm

re: #1088 RogueOne

Yes. Does his courage during a brutal time in our history give him a free pass to make unsupported accusations 40 years later? You believe it because you want to, I expect a bit of proof.

A lot of McCain supporters certainly seemed to think courage during a brutal time conveys a free pass to make unsupported accusations 40 years later.

1139 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:03:46pm

re: #1102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The best voice artist around. And, he only does one voice. Best delivery of lines.

no one does “that guy” like Wharburton. He stole Bee Movie…my kids kept wondering why i was laughing at all the wrong times…

1140 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:03:47pm

re: #1133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SMURFS DONT LAY EGGS!!


[Video]

Ahaha! There mammals! Poppa smurf has a fucking beard!

1141 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:06pm

re: #1122 Rightwingconspirator

There be trolls lurking about these parts today. This thread has drawn them out. We even have a suspected YoungLib sighting.

NO! You don’t say? I must have crossed over the bridge in a very sneaky way cause no one posed any riddles to me yet, but I may be early in my assessment yet.

1142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:06pm

re: #1135 windsagio

Whats sad, is I know people that are like more awful versions of the stuff than I do, but I can’t out them without revealing my own depressing knowledge of the genre.

I only watch the awesome shit. Nobody can slam me for liking Akira! :D

1143 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:11pm

re: #1129 Walter L. Newton

I’m sooo jealous over the opiated hash.

1144 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:11pm

re: #1104 reine.de.tout

That’s a mild interpretation given recent news about the Pope and some of his Priests.

1145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:25pm

re: #1057 Locker

See my #887 for some data. I’ve started over about 4 times so far but right now I’m playing a Dwarf who will eventually use firearms but starting out high in that skill is a bad idea. Have a few schematics, four followers etc.

#887? That’s Hoosier’s comment.

Anyway, what tech disciplines do you plan to focus on? Also keep in mind that you will “find” schematics not listed on your character sheet, many of which require skill in more than one discipline. Don’t throw them out/sell them just because you don’t have the skills in said disciplines to use them. You may find a way… hint hint.

Also, let me know when you get to Tarant, and I’ll point you to some places you can store crap without having to rent a room. As a tech player, you will end up collecting a lot of junk to make things with, so storage spots are very important.

One more thing… this is for Varek as well. If you plan to use ranged attacks in TB combat, hit the keyboard button to initiate TB combat the second you smell trouble. The way the game works, TB combat does not initiate on it’s own until the enemy makes an attack, which usually means melee opponents rush to close on you before making an attack and initiating TB combat, negating the advantage or ranged attacks.

1146 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:27pm

re: #1132 WindUpBird

That sure makes me feel better.

“Hey at least you’re not a Scientologist, or a Mormon!”

1147 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:04:56pm

re: #1133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SMURFS DONT LAY EGGS!!

[Video]

I don’t know why but that reminds me of another #24 line (is he 24, the short fat one):

It looked like 2 ninjas taped together to make one giant ninja!

1148 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:09pm

re: #1136 reine.de.tout

hehe.
yep.
trying to catch up, I am.

Well, knowing you, you’re doing a good job of it too!

1149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:12pm

re: #1073 windsagio

Heh, no offense >>

None taken, just ribbin’ ya.

1150 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:15pm

Favorite episode was the Scooby Doo one

Youtube Video

1151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:18pm

re: #1129 Walter L. Newton

Yow! o_o

1152 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:24pm

re: #1131 Aceofwhat?

He comes back in what I think is the season finale. They did it to let them develop the other characters some.

1153 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:45pm

re: #1066 Dragon_Lady

Hi boys and girls! Happy Tuesday to you all! Anything exciting going on?

Ring Ring
..Hello??
Dragon_Lady?
yyess..
*Stand By for the President*
Stand by for who?
D_L? This is President Obama..
What the hell?
Listen Dragon.. We just went to DefCon 2 at LGF..Possible troll launching…
Yes Sir..
Listen D_L I want you to seek cover and keep in contact with Central Command and report back there in real time back. Can you do that Private?
Yes Mr. President!
OK.. Great listen I’m going to hand you off to my White House staff.. They have some lovely prizes for you today
Good bye Dragon_Lady..And keep your head down
Thank you Mr. President!
Click

1154 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:05:47pm

re: #1142 WindUpBird

I only watch the awesome shit. Nobody can slam me for liking Akira! :D

TETSUO!!!

1155 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:06:03pm

re: #1142 WindUpBird

I have stuff I actually wish you’d watch, but I know how it works, and that never actually happens >>

1156 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:06:41pm

re: #1145 Slumbering Behemoth

My bad 877.

1157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:06:42pm

re: #1150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Oh God, the Scooby one is great because every Scooby character is some murderer :D Berkowitz, Bundy…

1158 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:06:43pm

re: #1153 HoosierHoops

Ring Ring
..Hello??
Dragon_Lady?
yyess..
*Stand By for the President*
Stand by for who?
D_L? This is President Obama..
What the hell?
Listen Dragon.. We just went to DefCon 2 at LGF..Possible troll launching…
Yes Sir..
Listen D_L I want you to seek cover and keep in contact with Central Command and report back there in real time back. Can you do that Private?
Yes Mr. President!
OK.. Great listen I’m going to hand you off to my White House staff.. They have some lovely prizes for you today
Good bye Dragon_Lady..And keep your head down
Thank you Mr. President!
Click

OMG, LOL! Thats funny! Upding for the humor my dear….

1159 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:06:52pm

re: #1138 sagehen

A lot of McCain supporters certainly seemed to think courage during a brutal time conveys a free pass to make unsupported accusations 40 years later.

1. Not by me. I can respect a man for the good he has done but no one gets a pass.

2. Such as?

1160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:07:00pm

re: #1155 windsagio

I have stuff I actually wish you’d watch, but I know how it works, and that never actually happens >>

One day I’ll have more time *_*

1161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:07:24pm

re: #1154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

TETSUO!!!

KAAANEEDAAA!!!

1162 windsagio  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:07:36pm

re: #1154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That’s oldskool!


~~~

Also since we’re on the subject, a memory WUB and I share:

When we were teenagers (like 15), there was a video store in Des Moines, WA that rented us the Overfiend.

We had no idea what it was going into it, so it was quite the experience >>

1163 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:08:08pm

re: #1152 windsagio

He comes back in what I think is the season finale. They did it to let them develop the other characters some.

whew. i don’t want the other characters developed. i want to hear Brock’s big dumb awesome sarcastic voice permeating the show…

1164 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:08:35pm

My allergies are off the hook today. Somebody has been beating me about the head and ears with a 10# bag of flour today./kansascity.com

1165 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:08:37pm

re: #1158 Dragon_Lady

OMG, LOL! Thats funny! Upding for the humor my dear…

One can always count on HH

1166 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:08:54pm

re: #1162 windsagio

That’s oldskool!

~~~

Also since we’re on the subject, a memory WUB and I share:

When we were teenagers (like 15), there was a video store in Des Moines, WA that rented us the Overfiend.

We had no idea what it was going into it, so it was quite the experience >>


Rofl….

1167 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:03pm

re: #1150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Favorite episode was the Scooby Doo one

[Video]

My wife would seriously like to know how I can remember quotes from every single one of these episodes but I can’t remember to take out the trash.


Why do you hate god?
I don’t hate god man.
Well god thinks you hate him and that’s just as bad as hating him.

1168 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:18pm

re: #1164 prairiefire

My allergies are off the hook today. Somebody has been beating me about the head and ears with a 10# bag of flour today./[Link: www.kansascity.com…]

OOH.
been there, done that.
Well, pretty much live it.
Sorry to hear …

1169 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:19pm

re: #1152 windsagio

He comes back in what I think is the season finale. They did it to let them develop the other characters some.

I thought he had to take some time off because of his sitcom?

1170 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:28pm

P.S. Hoosier, my head is well and truly ducked! Thanks for the “heads down”, its much appreciated!

1171 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:29pm

re: #1157 WindUpBird

Oh God, the Scooby one is great because every Scooby character is some murderer :D Berkowitz, Bundy…

Patty Herst.

“Patty, being out of your box isn’t a right, its a privilege. You dont want to go back in your box, do you?”

1172 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:33pm

re: #892 marjoriemoon

Have I told you about my experience with Chase bank? :p They’re all the Devil’s spawn.

I called DirecTv to ask if they would provide Shalom TV. The man said they don’t have it yet, but he would log the request and if enough people call in, they will provide it. I should call back in a couple months and request again.

When I called back, I told the woman about the first phone call and requested it again. She said, “Mmmm hmmm.” I said, “Mmm hmmm what??” She said, “I’m supposed to make a note of it, so I’ll make a note of it, OK?”

Ya think she was an anti-Semite? LOL

I hung up and called back and got a different person.

Do they have Al-Jazeera?

1173 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:09:52pm

re: #1168 reine.de.tout

Dank you.

1174 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:10:42pm

re: #1172 Alouette

Easier to get on the net:

english.aljazeera.net

1175 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:11:04pm

re: #1164 prairiefire

My allergies are off the hook today. Somebody has been beating me about the head and ears with a 10# bag of flour today./[Link: www.kansascity.com…]

HOLY moly. I’ve never seen a 5,000 count before. When does it just turn into snow?

1176 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:12:45pm

re: #1164 prairiefire

My allergies are off the hook today. Somebody has been beating me about the head and ears with a 10# bag of flour today./[Link: www.kansascity.com…]

I know the feeling, I have dust and big tree pollen allergies which usually lead to sinus infections. Bleaugh! I feel for you!

1177 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:12:46pm

re: #1175 Aceofwhat?

HOLY moly. I’ve never seen a 5,000 count before. When does it just turn into snow?

5,000? Good grief. My head would asplode.

1178 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:13:09pm

re: #1161 Slumbering Behemoth

KAAANEEDAAA!!!

TEEEETSUUU-OOO!

Youtube Video

1179 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:13:11pm

How’s everybody doing on this fine, fine day? I am, as of now, one of the happiest “cancer’s on society” that has ever infected the bloodstream of America.

1180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:13:29pm

re: #1156 Locker

Wow, you’re further along than I thought. Besides the warehouse, there is a trash bin near Poone’s Flophouse that never resets, which means you can store stuff in that. There is also a trash bin like that in one other city, but I don’t recall the name just yet.

The Black Mountain Mines are a bit tough, so you might want to do as many side quests as possible to boost your level. Tarant is full of them. Don’t forget to visit the brothel.

1181 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:13:56pm

I gotta go out to the laundry, BBL!

1182 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:14:00pm

re: #1175 Aceofwhat?

My In Laws car in our driveway is dusted in a light green. It reminds me of Georgia.
I bitched and moaned about getting a nebulizer for my asthma, but it has helped a lot. I just can’t yell at the kids when I’m taking a treatment.

1183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:14:02pm

re: #1139 Aceofwhat?

He also stole “The Emperor’s New Groove”.

1184 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:14:25pm

re: #1180 Slumbering Behemoth

Don’t forget to visit the brothel.

I just wanted to highlight that line.

1185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:14:44pm

re: #1126 badger1970

First time I heard that word, Social Studies, 8th grade, Al Smith topic.

It’s every tenth word in “The Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk”, the classic 19th cent anti-Papist tract. As a kid I thought that tripe discredited, now find that the truth is worse than the old lies.

1186 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:15:29pm

re: #1177 Varek Raith

5,000? Good grief. My head would asplode.

We hit 3,000 last week in Jacksonville and THAT was the most i’d heard of until just now.

But it doesn’t bother me like it bothers many others, so i only know what I hear on NPR in the morning…

1187 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:15:31pm

re: #1180 Slumbering Behemoth

Don’t forget to visit the brothel.


Thats always good advice.

1188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:15:58pm

re: #1186 Aceofwhat?

Good times.

1189 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:16:36pm

re: #1170 Dragon_Lady

P.S. Hoosier, my head is well and truly ducked! Thanks for the “heads down”, its much appreciated!

*wink*
I found out the the reason the White house is able to offer such a nice parting gift to you is because Obama secretly took over the QVC Network and is using the profits to turn us into Communists…
( I ordered a Mao coffee cup )
/

1190 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:16:58pm

re: #1180 Slumbering Behemoth

Already did the brothel jobs and even convinced that maid to go work there. I’ve worn out almost everything in Tarent that I can do, even killed the 6 thieves in the closed sewer section. Can’t get into the warehouse with the siamese twin skulls yet but I’m considering using a fate point to unlock the door.

1191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:17:17pm

re: #1178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hilarious! This has to be my favorite scene, just for the creepy weirdness factor.

1192 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:19:19pm

re: #1182 prairiefire

My In Laws car in our driveway is dusted in a light green. It reminds me of Georgia.
I bitched and moaned about getting a nebulizer for my asthma, but it has helped a lot. I just can’t yell at the kids when I’m taking a treatment.

i heard if you position it correctly you can still throw things though/

1193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:20:28pm

re: #1190 Locker

Ah yes, the sewers of Tarant. A great place to gain xp. They’re pretty expansive, like a nice dungeon crawl. Some parts can be pretty tough, though.

Anyway, what tech disciplines are you focusing on?

1194 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:20:38pm

re: #1191 Slumbering Behemoth

Hilarious! This has to be my favorite scene, just for the creepy weirdness factor.

I still like the tank scene

Youtube Video

1195 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:21:11pm

re: #1164 prairiefire

My allergies are off the hook today. Somebody has been beating me about the head and ears with a 10# bag of flour today./[Link: www.kansascity.com…]

We”re having a bad year, too.

The doctor quoted in this article is my allergist/immunologist.

1196 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:21:32pm

re: #1193 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah yes, the sewers of Tarant. A great place to gain xp. They’re pretty expansive, like a nice dungeon crawl. Some parts can be pretty tough, though.

Anyway, what tech disciplines are you focusing on?

Well I’ve got 2 ranks in the electricity one so I could make those dex rings for everyone in my party. I think I also have one in explosives so I can make bullets. That’s about it for right now.

1197 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:21:51pm

I just wanted to drop by and say that I’m sorry if i offended anyone; I was really stressed out last week - my life hung in the balance due to a trade I had on the line - but it all worked out better than I could ever have imagined.

Thanks for being so tolerant. I’m now getting a vacation for the first time in a year and a half (going to Paris & Nice this weekend) and it should be just what the doctor ordered.

1198 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:23:02pm

re: #1197 Sigma_x

Wow, Sigma. Have a good trip.

1199 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:23:08pm

re: #1188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good times.

I’m fascinated by the increased prevalence of allergies and asthma…theories as to why the increase is so rapid are all over the place.

1200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:23:27pm

re: #1199 Aceofwhat?

Chemtrails?

1201 Coachrichard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:23:46pm

re: #1049 Walter L. Newton

Animation… nope, can’t stand animation of any sort. I’m watching a little bit of “Death Note” every week right now because of a family rule we have around here about sharing interests, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be watching that. Ain’t gonna add another animation show to my sparse TV watching.

Not even ‘Archer’?

1202 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:25:40pm

re: #1197 Sigma_x

I just wanted to drop by and say that I’m sorry if i offended anyone; I was really stressed out last week - my life hung in the balance due to a trade I had on the line - but it all worked out better than I could ever have imagined.

Thanks for being so tolerant. I’m now getting a vacation for the first time in a year and a half (going to Paris & Nice this weekend) and it should be just what the doctor ordered.

Cool. Have you been to either city before?

1203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:26:11pm

re: #1197 Sigma_x

I just wanted to drop by and say that I’m sorry if i offended anyone; I was really stressed out last week - my life hung in the balance due to a trade I had on the line - but it all worked out better than I could ever have imagined.

Thanks for being so tolerant. I’m now getting a vacation for the first time in a year and a half (going to Paris & Nice this weekend) and it should be just what the doctor ordered.

Go visit the montmarte for me! I loved it there :D

1204 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:26:22pm

The local tea partiers held a forum for candidates for County Sheriff. You could tell it was a tea party forum by this question:

“If I refuse to pay for Obamacare, and the IRS comes to get me, will you stop the IRS?”
1205 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:26:41pm

re: #1201 Coachrichard

Not even ‘Archer’?

I don’t even know what “Archer” is? No.

1206 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:27:33pm

re: #1201 Coachrichard

Not even ‘Archer’?

Pam is my favorite character on Archer :D

1207 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:28:20pm

re: #1197 Sigma_x

I just wanted to drop by and say that I’m sorry if i offended anyone; I was really stressed out last week - my life hung in the balance due to a trade I had on the line - but it all worked out better than I could ever have imagined.

Thanks for being so tolerant. I’m now getting a vacation for the first time in a year and a half (going to Paris & Nice this weekend) and it should be just what the doctor ordered.

Have a great trip!
And remember the Sigma_X rule: Lurk when stressed.

1208 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:28:29pm

re: #1202 Aceofwhat?

Cool. Have you been to either city before?

I went to Paris when I was 22. But I was so wrecked the entire time, I remember none of it. My wife owns a small apartment near where Jim Morrison was laid to rest. Never been to Nice. My wife has family there.

So, yeah - it really is like my first time going.

1209 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:28:32pm

re: #1200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chemtrails?

Either that or the furries…the dander…oh, the dander//

1210 freetoken  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:28:55pm

So, have we all sent in our RSVPs to partake of Armey’s gala on the 15th? After all, how could anyone dare to miss Armey’s all star list of speakers:

Dick Armey, Chairman, FreedomWorks
Matt Kibbe, President, FreedomWorks
Lord Monckton
Andrew Breitbart
Andrew Moylan, National Taxpayers Union
Nic Lott, Mississippi
Rev. C.L. Bryant, Louisiana
Deneen Borelli, New York
Tom Gaitens, FreedomWorks Florida
Tucker Carlson
Brendan Steinhauser
Congressman Ron Paul, TX
Congressman Tom Price, GA

Now there is a group of winners if there ever were any…

1211 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:29:19pm

re: #1196 Locker

I had a lot of fun with doctorates in “Smithy” and “Mechanical”. You’ve been to Tarant, have you seen what their library has for sale?

1212 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:30:13pm

re: #1208 Sigma_x

I went to Paris when I was 22. But I was so wrecked the entire time, I remember none of it. My wife owns a small apartment near where Jim Morrison was laid to rest. Never been to Nice. My wife has family there.

So, yeah - it really is like my first time going.

That’s guaranteed to be an enjoyable trip. I’m happy for you-

1213 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:30:17pm

re: #1210 freetoken

So, have we all sent in our RSVPs to partake of Armey’s gala on the 15th? After all, how could anyone dare to miss Armey’s all star list of speakers:


Now there is a group of winners if there ever were any…

Be careful. That much density gathered in one room could cause a singularity to form.

1214 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:30:31pm

re: #1210 freetoken

oh good grief.

1215 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:30:36pm

re: #909 tradewind

With just his word?
Well, there’s no arguing with that logic. Case closed.

As I told Buck above, I see no reason to doubt the word of these men.

1216 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:31:04pm

re: #1212 Aceofwhat?

That’s guaranteed to be an enjoyable trip. I’m happy for you-

Hey, thanks a lot. This is a celebration - I made more money in the last 3 business days than I have in the last 5 years combined. Now I’m gonna work on blowing it all.

1217 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:31:51pm

re: #1215 SanFranciscoZionist

As I told Buck above, I see no reason to doubt the word of these men.

But we have been given plenty of reason to doubt the word of Brietbart.
Anyhoo - that’s how I see it.

1218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:32:01pm

re: #1216 Sigma_x

Hey, thanks a lot. This is a celebration - I made more money in the last 3 business days than I have in the last 5 years combined. Now I’m gonna work on blowing it all.

hahahahaha this is like a different universe to me

1219 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:33:03pm

re: #1216 Sigma_x

Hey, thanks a lot. This is a celebration - I made more money in the last 3 business days than I have in the last 5 years combined. Now I’m gonna work on blowing it all.

Interested in buying a rock which keeps tigers away?

1220 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:33:39pm

re: #1213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

it would be a wingularity

1221 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:34:01pm

re: #1216 Sigma_x

Hey, thanks a lot. This is a celebration - I made more money in the last 3 business days than I have in the last 5 years combined. Now I’m gonna work on blowing it all.

trading is a wild frontier. i know i don’t have the stones for it. good for you-

1222 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:34:19pm

re: #1216 Sigma_x

Hey, thanks a lot. This is a celebration - I made more money in the last 3 business days than I have in the last 5 years combined. Now I’m gonna work on blowing it all.

Between you and Hillary’s Cattle futures killing.. I don’t know who to believe..

1223 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:34:20pm

re: #1218 WindUpBird

hahahahaha this is like a different universe to me

Yeah, me too, to tell you the truth. I made $440K dollars, after tax, on one $130K bet/trade, in the span of three days.

My birthday’s tomorrow - I really think it was some for of Karma.

1224 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:35:39pm

re: #1219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Interested in buying a rock which keeps tigers away?

Do you have one that attracts cougars?

1225 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:36:44pm

Well, it’s about time… Obama finally managed to exercised some control over the nosey world press…

“Obama’s official schedule for Tuesday would have pleased China’s Central Committee. Excerpts: “The President will attend the Heads of Delegation working lunch. This lunch is closed press … The President will meet with Prime Minster Erdogan of Turkey. This meeting is closed press… . The President will attend Plenary Session II of the Nuclear Security Summit. This session is closed press.”“

washingtonpost.com

Keep it up, Obama.

1226 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:36:45pm

re: #1223 Sigma_x

Yeah, me too, to tell you the truth. I made $440K dollars, after tax, on one $130K bet/trade, in the span of three days.

My birthday’s tomorrow - I really think it was some for of Karma.

High stakes! I don’t even have the head for gambling in vegas. I just make stuff. ^^;

1227 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:37:54pm

re: #1219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Interested in buying a rock which keeps tigers away?

Dammit, you beat me to it…
:P
*Takes his tiger rocks elsewhere*

1228 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:37:58pm

re: #1223 Sigma_x

Yeah, me too, to tell you the truth. I made $440K dollars, after tax, on one $130K bet/trade, in the span of three days.

My birthday’s tomorrow - I really think it was some for of Karma.

Thank goodness… the health care fund will be very appreciative of you future contribution.

1229 Kragar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:38:16pm

re: #1224 Slumbering Behemoth

Do you have one that attracts cougars?

Only my own natural rugged manliness. Now if you’ve excuse me, I’ll be over here, performing my tripod exercises.

1230 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:38:47pm

re: #1223 Sigma_x

Yeah, me too, to tell you the truth. I made $440K dollars, after tax, on one $130K bet/trade, in the span of three days.

My birthday’s tomorrow - I really think it was some for of Karma.

ha! laying down $130k has to be a tough move…exactly why i could never trade…

1231 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:38:48pm

re: #1228 Walter L. Newton

Thank goodness… the health care fund will be very appreciative of you future contribution.

You know what? I get eaten alive on taxes. And I don’t mind one bit. The funny thing is, is that until today, I couldn’t even afford insurance.

1232 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:38:58pm

re: #1037 predator_intelligence

Wheee!

I’d believe a Republican rep who said he’d been slurred under these circumstances, let alone a whole group. More importantly, you would too.

1233 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:39:05pm

Those 55 gallon plastic drums aren’t as sturdy as they look. I hooked one up to a vacuum cleaner and was going to use a hose to vacuum the debris off the bottom of the pond. the 55 gallon drum imploded. I sure was surprised.

1234 avanti  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:40:14pm

re: #1225 Walter L. Newton

Well, it’s about time… Obama finally managed to exercised some control over the nosey world press…

“Obama’s official schedule for Tuesday would have pleased China’s Central Committee. Excerpts: “The President will attend the Heads of Delegation working lunch. This lunch is closed press … The President will meet with Prime Minster Erdogan of Turkey. This meeting is closed press… . The President will attend Plenary Session II of the Nuclear Security Summit. This session is closed press.”“

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Keep it up, Obama.

The press has no business attending working lunches or policy meetings, and seldom have. That’s why they have press conferences when they are done so they can talk about “frank and productive discussions”

1235 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:40:18pm

re: #1230 Aceofwhat?

ha! laying down $130k has to be a tough move…exactly why i could never trade…

I literally could not sleep all weekend; even with a bowl full of Xanax. I think I had about 10 years shaved off my life span just in the stress alone.

But when it turns out you’re right, there’s no better feeling in the world.

1236 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:40:29pm

re: #1046 Cato the Elder

Popish?

I suspect he means ‘pop-culture’ rather than ‘Catholic’, but maybe not.

1237 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:40:59pm

re: #1231 Sigma_x

You know what? I get eaten alive on taxes. And I don’t mind one bit. The funny thing is, is that until today, I couldn’t even afford insurance.

You can’t afford insurance but threw down 130k on a gamble stock?
How does that work exactly?

1238 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:41:07pm

re: #1226 WindUpBird

High stakes! I don’t even have the head for gambling in vegas. I just make stuff. ^^;

I can’t do it either. Playing poker for chips is a blast. Playing for anything close to real money isn’t fun. Snowboarding is fun…tennis is fun…Dragon Age Origins is fun…betting real money? Whatever gene makes that a rush for some people is missing from my DNA strands…

1239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:41:13pm

re: #1236 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect he means ‘pop-culture’ rather than ‘Catholic’, but maybe not.

I’d never heard the term before, but then again, I knew exactly one Catholic family growing up.

1241 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:42:41pm

re: #1237 HoosierHoops

You can’t afford insurance but threw down 130k on a gamble stock?
How does that work exactly?

All my money is tied up in my trading accounts. I wasn’t that I couldn’t afford it, exactly, I just never had health insurance before. Aside from breaking my leg in a motor cycle accident in my 20’s, I’ve never even been to a hospital. So it was more a matter of principle. But I turn 40 tomorrow and my wife is insisting.

1242 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:42:57pm

re: #1239 WindUpBird

I’d never heard the term before, but then again, I knew exactly one Catholic family growing up.

The word and its intent are antique.

1243 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:43:12pm

re: #1233 Killgore Trout

Those 55 gallon plastic drums aren’t as sturdy as they look. I hooked one up to a vacuum cleaner and was going to use a hose to vacuum the debris off the bottom of the pond. the 55 gallon drum imploded. I sure was surprised.

Good grief!
Didja happen to have any kids around?
They would have loved that.

Not even remotely related, but funny:

Our daughter was using the chain-saw once to help her Dad with some sort of small job. He warned and warned and warned her to be very very careful, and to be SURE not to accidentally cut the cord.

So she finished, and the Roi took over and the very first thing he did - was cut the cord. Dead chainsaw.

We still laugh about it.

1245 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:44:20pm

re: #1241 Sigma_x

She is a smart woman..Congrads on the stocks!!

1246 darthstar  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:44:22pm

re: #1244 Killgore Trout

Heh, I love his diagram. Did he draw a house?

No…he has interns who draw his pictures before the show.

1247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:44:55pm

re: #1059 WindUpBird

another denier.

Hi, denier!

are you also going to bring up Al Sharpton? because that would be swell.

After all, Al Sharpton was involved in a fake report about a racially motivated attack in 1987, which must mean something.

1248 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:45:24pm

re: #1232 SanFranciscoZionist

Wheee!

I’d believe a Republican rep who said he’d been slurred under these circumstances, let alone a whole group. More importantly, you would too.

This is like watching a black belt fight rush limbaugh. You’re not even breaking a sweat…

1249 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:45:42pm

re: #1243 reine.de.tout

No kids around but I called over the neighbors to check it out.


Our daughter was using the chain-saw once to help her Dad with some sort of small job. He warned and warned and warned her to be very very careful, and to be SURE not to accidentally cut the cord.

So she finished, and the Roi took over and the very first thing he did - was cut the cord. Dead chainsaw.

We still laugh about it.


I did the same thing with an electric lawnmower once. Ran right over the power chord.

1250 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:46:09pm

re: #1229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bummer, but likely for the better. “Cougars” for my age group would probably end up being women who know what a speakeasy is from first hand experience.
/

1251 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:46:19pm

re: #1082 Aceofwhat?

That’s fine. Like i said, i called right back just to make sure i head what i heard. I wonder if they have different recordings by region? I’m really not lying about it, but it’s really not a big deal. It doesn’t bother me in the least.

Where are you?

1252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:47:56pm

re: #1247 SanFranciscoZionist

After all, Al Sharpton was involved in a fake report about a racially motivated attack in 1987, which must mean something.

it just so happens he’s constantly brought up!

Just so happens…

1253 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:48:18pm

re: #1087 WindUpBird

okay, I have no idea, what’s “popish”?

A bigoted adjective used in place of ‘Catholic’.

1254 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:48:31pm

re: #1233 Killgore Trout

Those 55 gallon plastic drums aren’t as sturdy as they look. I hooked one up to a vacuum cleaner and was going to use a hose to vacuum the debris off the bottom of the pond. the 55 gallon drum imploded. I sure was surprised.

gotta use steel. drums of all kinds have a lot more strength resisting explosion than the other way around…

1255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:49:01pm

re: #1248 Aceofwhat?

This is like watching a black belt fight rush limbaugh. You’re not even breaking a sweat…

A guy with that much tl:dr? I don’t even know if he’s getting off the ground after that. :D

1256 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:50:18pm

*deep breath*
OK, so is everything copacetic now?
Everyone calm?

1257 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:50:21pm

re: #1251 SanFranciscoZionist

Where are you?

Jacksonville.

1258 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:51:15pm

re: #1256 reine.de.tout

*deep breath*
OK, so is everything copacetic now?
Everyone calm?

NOOOOO!!!!111!!!!
RAGEWAR11!11!1.

Ahem, yes.
:P

1259 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:51:50pm

re: #1255 WindUpBird

A guy with that much tl:dr? I don’t even know if he’s getting off the ground after that. :D

exactly…neither is predator_intelligence or whoever the hell that was!

1260 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:52:41pm

re: #1256 reine.de.tout

*deep breath*
OK, so is everything copacetic now?
Everyone calm?

too calm. who should i incite?

1261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:53:44pm

re: #1256 reine.de.tout

Calm?

1262 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #1260 Aceofwhat?

too calm. who should i incite?

SteveB4 or whoever.
But alas, he’s gone.
Heading up.

1263 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:53:46pm
1264 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:54:26pm

re: #1261 Slumbering Behemoth

Calm?

OMG, that’s so funny!
People tell me I sound angry even when I’m not.
So that sorta “looks” like me.
LOL.

1265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:56:19pm

re: #1263 blindy

Please do remember to add a “NSFW” warning to such links. Thank you.

1266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:58:33pm

re: #1259 Aceofwhat?

exactly…neither is predator_intelligence or whoever the hell that was!

what a name XD

1267 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 3:58:44pm

re: #1189 HoosierHoops

*wink*
I found out the the reason the White house is able to offer such a nice parting gift to you is because Obama secretly took over the QVC Network and is using the profits to turn us into Communists…
( I ordered a Mao coffee cup )
/


Wheres mine?/ ;)

1268 Donna Ballard  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:00:26pm

Moving on up!

1269 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:00:33pm

re: #1264 reine.de.tout

You too? When I first moved to where I am, my family here would introduce me to people they knew, many of which would say “Oh, you’re the angry one”.

:shrugs: With some folks, having strong opinions means you’re “angry”. I don’t get it.

Heh, at least I am a half step further than my male ancestors. Unlike them, I can make a facial expression that passes for a smile.

1270 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:00:34pm

re: #1267 Dragon_Lady

Wheres mine?/ ;)

Would it shock any of you to know I have one of these coffee mugs???
:)

1271 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:01:08pm

re: #1270 Varek Raith

Would it shock any of you to know I have one of these coffee mugs???
:)

Link fail.

1272 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:03:30pm

re: #1099 eclectic infidel

Sorry I’m getting back a bit late.

It’s a horrible thing to experience. I’ve had other incidences like yours. It’s very painful.

1273 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:03:31pm

re: #1271 Varek Raith

I want an “EES” coffee mug.

1274 blindy  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:04:07pm

re: #1265 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, sorry ‘bout that. Bad netiquette on my part.

1275 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:04:18pm

re: #1172 Alouette

Do they have Al-Jazeera?

Actually, I don’t think so. I didn’t ask! Ack, now I have to ask! I’ve never seen it.

1276 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:06:06pm

Tea Party NY Gubernatorial candidate Carl Palidino confronted by a reporter over racist emails he sent out to prospective supporters.

This is just disgusting. But, what’s worse, even though there’s irrefutable proof that he sent them, he just tries to deny the whole thing. How’s that for a strategy?

Youtube Video

1277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:10:24pm

re: #1274 blindy

Just a friendly reminder. I’ve made that same mistake myself.

1278 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:22:49pm

Actually, now he’s defending the emails.

If the racists just represent a “small, fringe element” of the Tea Baggers, where’s all the videos of them being confronted and berated and frog marched out of these rallies by the legions of “non-racist” Tea Baggers?

You won’t see any videos like that - because their aren’t any.

1279 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:23:06pm

re: #1211 Slumbering Behemoth

I had a lot of fun with doctorates in “Smithy” and “Mechanical”. You’ve been to Tarant, have you seen what their library has for sale?

Yea but my dumb ass thought they were only temporary for a while since I gave one of the books to a follower. Gotta have the book on you to get the bump.

1280 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:27:37pm

re: #1249 Killgore Trout

No kids around but I called over the neighbors to check it out.


I did the same thing with an electric lawnmower once. Ran right over the power chord.

Sounds like something Joey Ramone might do…

1281 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:29:22pm

re: #1269 Slumbering Behemoth

You too? When I first moved to where I am, my family here would introduce me to people they knew, many of which would say “Oh, you’re the angry one”.

:shrugs: With some folks, having strong opinions means you’re “angry”. I don’t get it.

Heh, at least I am a half step further than my male ancestors. Unlike them, I can make a facial expression that passes for a smile.

heheh. I can also make those facial expressions. Those particular expressions are also sort of nature’s facelift, so I try to keep one on sort of permanently.

But yeah, it’s really strange. People are put off because I sound angry when I talk. I do not know what it is I’m doing.

I can recall, at work at times, I got to where I would tell people, look, I’m not angry as I sound. They would laugh, but it would be 100% true.

1282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:30:20pm

re: #1279 Locker

Possible…
***Spoiler***

The book’s bump is equal to your character’s intelligence. You may have to buy multiple books of the same discipline for a desired effect. They’re heavy (encumbrance), so leave them in your warehouse.

Is Magnus in your party?

1283 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:31:54pm

re: #1281 reine.de.tout

heheh. I can also make those facial expressions. Those particular expressions are also sort of nature’s facelift, so I try to keep one on sort of permanently.

But yeah, it’s really strange. People are put off because I sound angry when I talk. I do not know what it is I’m doing.

I can recall, at work at times, I got to where I would tell people, look, I’m not angry as I sound. They would laugh, but it would be 100% true.

My dad has that problem. He is really intense (and loud) when he speaks. To people who didn’t grow up with that…well, it seems to equal “anger.”

1284 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:32:13pm

Thank you all for a great discussion while compiling binaries at work. This website is the perfect complement to a style of work that requires frequent 10 minute breaks while things process.

Now, I am going to go smoke a tremendous amount, eat everything in sight, and play video games. I love life.

I’ll have to check out that Arcanum game to which someone referred. If it’s anything like Fallout 1 and 2, i’ll enjoy it.

1285 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:34:55pm

re: #1283 Sionainn

My dad has that problem. He is really intense (and loud) when he speaks. To people who didn’t grow up with that…well, it seems to equal “anger.”

That could be much of it.
Whatever passion I’m feeling will show in my voice, apparently.
I have a deep voice, but I don’t speak too loudly really.
I think people expect a nice ladylike voice, and I just don’t have it.

1286 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:35:03pm

re: #1282 Slumbering Behemoth

Possible…
***Spoiler***

The book’s bump is equal to your character’s intelligence. You may have to buy multiple books of the same discipline for a desired effect. They’re heavy (encumbrance), so leave them in your warehouse.

Is Magnus in your party?

Yea I got him, the first guy Virgil or whatever and the mead mug big dude. I was not aware you could double up on the books to get more effect. Good looking out.

1287 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:35:07pm

re: #1283 Sionainn

I used to think one of my buddy’s dads was angry all the time, what with the constant shouting. Turns out it was just hearing loss.

1288 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:35:31pm

re: #1283 Sionainn

My dad has that problem. He is really intense (and loud) when he speaks. To people who didn’t grow up with that…well, it seems to equal “anger.”

Ashley when did you get an LGF account??

1289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:37:28pm

re: #1284 Fozzie Bear

I’ll have to check out that Arcanum game to which someone referred. If it’s anything like Fallout 1 and 2, i’ll enjoy it.

Three of the major creative minds behind Fallout 1 & 2 formed Troika, which of course was the developer of Arcanum. So, yeah, I think you’ll dig it.

1290 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:37:33pm

re: #1284 Fozzie Bear

Thank you all for a great discussion while compiling binaries at work. This website is the perfect complement to a style of work that requires frequent 10 minute breaks while things process.

Now, I am going to go smoke a tremendous amount, eat everything in sight, and play video games. I love life.

I’ll have to check out that Arcanum game to which someone referred. If it’s anything like Fallout 1 and 2, i’ll enjoy it.

It is and you can get it for like 6 bucks here:

gog.com

They also have the fallout games

For you game lovers out there I would also recommend System Shock and System Shock 2. They don’t have em on gog but you can probably find em somewhere bundled and cheap. They are WAY better than that POS Bioshock, imo.

1291 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:40:12pm

re: #1287 Slumbering Behemoth

I used to think one of my buddy’s dads was angry all the time, what with the constant shouting. Turns out it was just hearing loss.

LOL. That’s his problem now, but wasn’t when he was a kid. Is it possible for someone to cause their own hearing loss by yelling?

1292 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:40:47pm

re: #1288 Locker

Ashley when did you get an LGF account??

I take it Ashley is your daughter? :-)

1293 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:41:10pm

re: #1291 Sionainn

LOL. That’s his problem now, but wasn’t when he was a kid. Is it possible for someone to cause their own hearing loss by yelling?

My dad did.
I’m convinced of it.

1294 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:41:59pm

re: #1286 Locker

Heh, of the many times I’ve played through, I have never once took Mead Mug along. Strange.

Keep Magnus around. If you follow the right paths, have multiple conversations with the right NPCs… I’ve said too much already.

1295 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:42:50pm

re: #1293 reine.de.tout

My dad did.
I’m convinced of it.

I’m starting to think that it has definitely affected mine. That’s not a good thing for a transcriptionist.

1296 Locker  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:43:57pm

re: #1294 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, of the many times I’ve played through, I have never once took Mead Mug along. Strange.

Keep Magnus around. If you follow the right paths, have multiple conversations with the right NPCs… I’ve said too much already.

He’s like 18 str natural and his dex is good too. Only like 3 INT but he pounds the crap out of things. Finding large armor took a bit though.

1297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:44:22pm

re: #1291 Sionainn

In my buddy’s dad’s case, it was one part brutal beatings from his own dad, one part partying like crazy once he escaped his own dad.

1298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:46:11pm

re: #1296 Locker

Whenever you find odd sized leather armor, save it. I’ll say no more.

1299 ~Fianna  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:07:31pm

re: #1249 Killgore Trout

No kids around but I called over the neighbors to check it out.


I did the same thing with an electric lawnmower once. Ran right over the power chord.

And that’s when you joined the metal band?

1300 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:12:41pm

re: #1204 wrenchwench

The local tea partiers held a forum for candidates for County Sheriff. You could tell it was a tea party forum by this question:

What did the candidates say?

1301 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:17:08pm

re: #1221 Aceofwhat?

trading is a wild frontier. i know i don’t have the stones for it. good for you-

Yeah, I don’t think I would do well. My reaction to stress is to go into overdrive nailing everything down.

1302 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:20:01pm

re: #1239 WindUpBird

I’d never heard the term before, but then again, I knew exactly one Catholic family growing up.

Wow. That’s pretty exotic to me.

1303 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:24:29pm

re: #1300 SanFranciscoZionist

What did the candidates say?

A couple of them said, “If the paperwork is legal, I won’t stop them.” A couple others mumbled stuff about having to keep an eye on the Federal Government trying to impose unconstitutional things on us. There were 5 Democrats and one Republican. The Republican was one of the reasonable ones. I dread to see which Democrat gets nominated, because the Republican won’t win the general.

1304 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:27:14pm

re: #1303 wrenchwench

A couple of them said, “If the paperwork is legal, I won’t stop them.” A couple others mumbled stuff about having to keep an eye on the Federal Government trying to impose unconstitutional things on us. There were 5 Democrats and one Republican. The Republican was one of the reasonable ones. I dread to see which Democrat gets nominated, because the Republican won’t win the general.

It would have been cool if one of them had gotten big scared eyes and said, “You’re on your own. Those dudes have black helicopters!”

1305 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:42:09pm

Wow, looks like I missed a rockin’ thread.

1306 Sheepdogess  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:34:17pm

I Love Andy.
Thank “Mother Nature” for Andy B.
I love bravery, honesty, and anti depravity.

1307 CarleeCork  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:48:58pm

re: #650 darthstar

Good…I walk around naked all the time. Hell, I even go outside with the dogs to take a leak without putting on clothes sometimes. Fortunately, I live in a fairly rural area, but as long as a person isn’t pressing themselves against the window or waving their dick at passers-by, then they should be able to dress how they like in their own home. The woman should have simply told her child that it’s not polite to look inside people’s homes…if the kid even saw the guy…sounds like the woman saw him and that was enough for her.


Sounds to me like she lingered, if you notice a nude man in the privacy of his own home you need to turn your head, not stare…unless you think he’s hot.

As someone that used to live in the country, how about a little privacy?

1308 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:51:22pm

re: #1306 Sheepdogess

I love bravery, honesty, and anti depravity.


Hahahaha! That is either excellent sarcasm, or you’re talking about another Andy B., one who is absolutely nothing like the depraved, dishonest coward this thread topic is about.

1309 happy4la  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:20:44pm

Who(m) do we blame for this? Image: condi_whitey.jpg

1310 Querent  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:13:01pm

re: #388 Shiplord Kirel

Sounds like there was, for a while, such a thing as a ‘free’ lunch…

1311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 11:30:19pm

re: #1309 happy4la

Who(m) do we blame for this?

Umm…

1312 Timmeh  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:52:46am

re: #1 Obdicut

Lets remember the kind of man Rep Lewis is:

And lets also remember the kind of man Brietbart is (with video evidences!).

I know which one I believe! :)

1313 coastygirl  Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:45:32am

re: #20 Jeff In Ohio

Oh, I dunno. I read in the comments here that all it amounts to is accusation and isn’t hardly worth discussing, because, you know, people are really mad. And, by chance, if it did happen, it could have been an Agent Provocateur. And if it wasn’t the AP, then it most likely one of those Unicorns with speaking abilities.

Peace and Love all you wackadoodle Americans of all stripes!:)


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