The Oklahoma Tea Party-Militia Convergence

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So now we have Republicans in the Oklahoma state legislature (state Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor, and state Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City) who think it’s a great idea to set up a heavily armed state militia: Okla. Tea Parties And Lawmakers Envision Militia.

Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they’ve discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

“Is it scary? It sure is,” said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. “But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?” …

Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject “Buy more guns, more bullets.”

It’s not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that,” Berry said. “This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature.”

“Oh, no! Nothing crazy about this at all! Carry on, now,” I said, backing away slowly and carefully.

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729 comments
1 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:06:55pm

wait... isn't that the National Guard?

2 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:06:56pm

"But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?”

We're fightin for our rats!

3 Virginia Plain  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:08:16pm

Oklahoma has a crazy militia town of its own: Elohim City.

4 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:08:17pm

The Tea Party is coming to Atlanta and all I get is my bus re-routed a block further away from my office.

5 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:08:19pm

re: #1 brookly red

wait... isn't that the National Guard?

The Nat'l Guard still answers to the Federal Gov't, no?

6 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:08:36pm

I'm sure a very restrained bunch of individuals would sign up for this militia. You wouldn't get anyone who might be inclined towards provocative behavior or being confrontational.

It's like they're playing make-believe.

7 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:09:00pm

This isn't a sentence that contains the word crazy or anything like that.

8 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:09:36pm

It's not like there has ever been any kind of right-wing, anti-government violence in Oklahoma. No reason to be concerned there. Nosiree.

9 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:10:02pm

re: #5 JasonA

The Nat'l Guard still answers to the Federal Gov't, no?

in theory I think... but I don't know the specifics.

10 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:12:23pm

re: #5 JasonA

The Nat'l Guard still answers to the Federal Gov't, no?

The National Guard of the United States is a reserve military force composed of state National Guard militia members or units under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States.
...
With the consent of state governors, members or units of state National Guard may be appointed or deployed as federally recognized armed force members in active or inactive service.[5][6][7] If so recognized, they become part of the National Guard of the United States.[1] The National Guard of the United States units or members may be called up for federal active duty in times of Congressionally-sanctioned war or national emergency.[4] State National Guard may also be called up for federal service, with the consent of state governors, to repel invasion or suppress rebellion.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

11 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:13:30pm

re: #5 JasonA

The Nat'l Guard still answers to the Federal Gov't, no?

If I am reading this right it requires the consent of the Governor...

12 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:14:48pm

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

Pit maverick Republican Congressman Ron Paul against President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up, and the race is – virtually dead even.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Great job, Rasmussen. Way to... damn, I have no idea what they're trying to do except toss what rep they have left down the crapper.

13 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:15:29pm

re: #11 brookly red

If I am reading this right it requires the consent of the Governor...

Yes. In Georgia our Natl. Guard Commander is appointed by the Governor as well. I suspect that is the case with other states.

Either way it doesn't jive with the militia wannabees and armed Christian identity movements. Most of them would fall under rebellion if they moved unilaterally.

14 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:15:30pm

re: #11 brookly red

If I am reading this right it requires the consent of the Governor...

Gotcha.

So why do they need a state militia??

15 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:16:34pm

re: #14 JasonA

Gotcha.

So why do they need a state militia??

Somebody has to carry the black powder rifles and thirteen star flag in the 4th of July parade. //

16 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:16:52pm

re: #14 JasonA

Gotcha.

So why do they need a state militia??

well all states need a militia... but the question is the need for another militia.

17 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:17:01pm

re: #10 Locker

The interesting part is the "suppress rebellion" phrase. Brings to mind these Cletus militia yokels actually having to fight against the real National Guard. Talk about a reality check for fantasy land.

18 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:17:32pm

re: #14 JasonA

Gotcha.

So why do they need a state militia??

That's like asking why I need an AK-47 to hunt deer!

19 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:18:41pm

re: #16 brookly red

well all states need a militia... but the question is the need for another militia.

Because the "regular" militia is open to people of all races, religions and political beliefs. This new one would be...purer. Which is way more useful.

20 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:18:56pm

spacejesus + enlistment + apache gunship > redneck militia secessionists

21 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:18:57pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

That's like asking why I need an AK-47 to hunt deer!

Because your a lousy shot? :-)

22 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:19:42pm

There is no valid reason for them to form militias unless it is to threaten or create violence.

23 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:19:47pm

re: #12 JasonA

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

Great job, Rasmussen. Way to... damn, I have no idea what they're trying to do except toss what rep they have left down the crapper.

/That's it we need the militia to shoot the messenger!

24 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:20:29pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

That's like asking why I need an AK-47 to hunt deer!

Claymore mines are so much more effective - you don't have to sit in a tree all day either. Just wait at camp for the loud "bang" and go pick up your ground vennison. //

25 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:20:54pm
tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Wasn't something like this tried 150 years ago and didn't it turn out bad ?

26 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:21:39pm

re: #20 SpaceJesus

spacejesus + enlistment + apache gunship > redneck militia secessionists

spacejesus + enlistment - psych evaluation = no where near gunship.

27 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:21:51pm

re: #24 DaddyG

Claymore mines are so much more effective - you don't have to sit in a tree all day either. Just wait at camp for the loud "bang" and go pick up your ground vennison. //

Yeah, just be careful not to crack your teeth on bits of shrapnel...

28 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:22:33pm

Hi all! It appears we have two militias: the organized and unorganized. According to Wiki:

US CODE
TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311 § 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The official classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Rats! I'm past my sell-by date. Oh well.

29 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:22:53pm

re: #25 Reginald Perrin

It was tried in July 1794, too.

Didn't turn out well then, either.

30 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:22:59pm

re: #22 beekiller

There is no valid reason for them to form militias unless it is to threaten or create violence.


Parades, don't forget the parades.

31 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:23:01pm

re: #20 SpaceJesus

Word on the street has it you descended into the cesspool yesterday and rattled the cages of the inmates.
Nice job!

32 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:23:13pm

re: #25 Reginald Perrin

Wasn't something like this tried 150 years ago and didn't it turn out bad ?

Bob McDonnell and Haley Barbour tell me it wasn't all that bad.

33 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:24:17pm

re: #26 brookly red

That would actually be + psych evaluation, not - psych evaluation.

And anyway, SJ doesn't strike me as the least bit imbalanced. A desire for a five hundred foot robot is very normal and healthy.

34 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:24:43pm

re: #31 Reginald Perrin

rodan is a special person

35 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:24:47pm

Well, at least you can count on the Dems in NH to make a run at keeping their tea party in check the old fashioned way:
[Link: dailyradar.com...]
Forced to retract her original smear, Kathleen Sullivan makes another run at it.

36 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:25:41pm

This is getting depressing. When will Americans pull out of this nose-dive into teh crazy? I'm starting to feel really sorry for normal people. Loons and nuts under every rock, right up to officials occupying positions of authority and responsibility.

This is just not good.

37 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:26:39pm

re: #31 Reginald Perrin

Word on the street has it you descended into the cesspool yesterday and rattled the cages of the inmates.
Nice job!

Which cesspool? Blahgmockruhsee?

38 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:27:09pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

rodan is a special person

LOL!
You are to SJ, but special in a different way that rodant!
You've got some nice, positive Karma now!

39 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:27:13pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

rodan is a special person

Martinez is trapped in a hell of his own creation......with a little help from an excess of alcohol.

40 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:27:21pm

re: #36 ryannon

I'm starting to feel really sorry for normal people. good.

Thank you. I was starting to think no one cared. /

41 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:28:00pm

re: #35 tradewind

This plan by the Tea Party to claim they're being infiltrated is pretty high comedy.

An article from an anonymous source is totally legit, too.

42 Blizard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:28:01pm

Crazy. And Tom Coburn is now a RINO!

43 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:28:26pm

re: #33 Obdicut

That would actually be + psych evaluation, not - psych evaluation.

And anyway, SJ doesn't strike me as the least bit imbalanced. A desire for a five hundred foot robot is very normal and healthy.

/well I have always wanted my own nuke... I don't want to blow anything up but it would be really cool to go to those meetings, I hear the catering is fabulous!

44 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:29:34pm

re: #41 Obdicut
Not that it matters to you, but there's audio tape.
Sullivan has already had to go 'whoops, my bad ' once re this.

45 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:30:23pm

i am very good at modern warfare 2

46 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:31:01pm

re: #44 tradewind

Is it on the same tape as Michelle Obama saying "Whitey"?

47 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:31:25pm

re: #45 spacejesus

You just use double grenade launchers like a tube noob.

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:31:37pm

A central image and theme of the Tea party is that Americans must arm themselves to resist a tyrannical government. This idea has finally started to reach its (il)logical conclusion.

Illogical in that these conditions did apply to America in the 1770's, but as far as I can tell, our current government has been elected legally and constitutionally and no member of it has committed any impeachable offenses.

49 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:31:47pm

I don't understand how people don't get tired of being fed a constant diet of fear & loathing. It seems they'd have them believe that everything & everyone that isn't exactly like them is a mortal threat. Is that all they've got, just "BOO! The _______ is coming to get you & your children"?

50 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:31:49pm

re: #41 Obdicut

This plan by the Tea Party to claim they're being infiltrated is pretty high comedy.

An article from an anonymous source is totally legit, too.

Reminds me of the famous Pogo quote: "We have met the enemy and he is us".

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:33:31pm

Infiltrating the Tea party would be counterproductive, you would just get in the ways of them shooting themselves in the foot.

Just make sure they are not standing on your chest when they do so...

52 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:33:50pm

This state run militia thing is pretty stoopid, Oklahoma. Don't even go there.
As the WaPo says, ' What could go wrong?'//.
And in this case, they're right.

53 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:34:22pm

re: #52 tradewind

This state run militia thing is pretty stoopid, Oklahoma. Don't even go there.
As the WaPo says, ' What could go wrong?'//.
And in this case, they're right.

I'm still trying to figure out what could go right.

54 bubba zanetti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:34:36pm

re: #20 SpaceJesus

spacejesus + enlistment + apache gunship > redneck militia secessionists


Unfortunately, our nearby militia group recently purchased a surplus army gunship. It didn't have any guns on it, but they're fixing that.

55 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:34:48pm

Is this really that fiscally responsible?

56 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:34:48pm

re: #41 Obdicut

This plan by the Tea Party to claim they're being infiltrated is pretty high comedy.

An article from an anonymous source is totally legit, too.

[Link: blog.oregonlive.com...]

not so anonymous...

57 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:34:56pm

Moby's in the Tea Party I can believe. "Infiltration" is a bit strong of a word to describe the Tea Parties. So is "Political Party" when you get right down to it.

58 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:35:21pm

Sigh. And in a place where the last major terrorist action committed by Americans occurred.

*Sing*

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors,
but I think God's got a sick sense of humor.
And when I die I expect to find Him,
laughing.

59 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:36:31pm

Move along, nothing to see here! This is mildly funny while also being incredibly dangerous.

60 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:37:06pm

Just been reading about the Confederate guerilla fighters during the Civil War. Even the Confederate leaders did not think them a good idea; they were too hard to control, had no discipline or answerability to authority, and diverted recruits and resources from the regular arms.

But I swear we're halfway on our way to another Bleeding Kansas.

All wee need now is for some left-wing extremists to occupy Harper's Ferry and set the ball rolling...

61 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:38:04pm

Heck, OK is one of the states where I'm looking at potential jobs. Maybe I'll join as a Fifth Columnist. I look the part, I've got my own guns, and I know Morse so I can tap out my reports lake at night on my Captain Socialist seekrit radio transmitter.

Straight to the White House and Obama's IRS KGB.

62 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:39:39pm

Did anyone notice the GOP Chairman for that state rejected the idea out of hand?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It will be interesting to see how this fails to happen, as I think it will. Uh hope it will. Well both darn it.

63 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:40:09pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

"lake"? I meant "late". I may need some refresher practice on the transmitter - can't even type anymore.

64 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:41:39pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

"lake"? I meant "late". I may need some refresher practice on the transmitter - can't even type anymore.

Transmit the message, to the receiver
hope for an answer some day
I got three passports, couple of visas
don't even know my real name
High on a hillside, trucks are loading
everything's ready to roll
I sleep in the daytime, I work in the nightime
I might not ever get home

65 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:42:02pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

You look kinda stoned for a fifth column guy.

66 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:42:12pm

re: #53 JasonA
That's just it.... probably not much.

67 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:42:36pm

Here is more on Mr. Levin:[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:43:36pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

Did anyone notice the GOP Chairman for that state rejected the idea out of hand?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It will be interesting to see how this fails to happen, as I think it will. Uh hope it will. Well both darn it.

Even Jefferson Davis did not think the Southern guerillas a good idea...

69 zora  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:44:25pm

re: #67 prairiefire

like these guys need help looking crazy. this is a waste of time.

70 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:44:45pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Heck, OK is one of the states where I'm looking at potential jobs. Maybe I'll join as a Fifth Columnist. I look the part, I've got my own guns, and I know Morse so I can tap out my reports lake at night on my Captain Socialist seekrit radio transmitter.

Straight to the White House and Obama's IRS KGB.

I thought this day was going to suck but then you showed up to bring the funny.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:46:08pm

re: #67 prairiefire

Here is more on Mr. Levin:[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Oregon is full of merry pranksters :D

72 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:46:17pm

re: #64 brookly red

Heh. Upding.

I was up all night reading Ken Follett's first big hit novel, "The Eye of the Needle".

Great book, great historical background, and Winston Churchill puts in a cameo appearance.

Oops...sorry...gotta run. U-boat surfaces in half an hour.

73 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:47:53pm

The Tea Party Express Bus tour was a GOP operation? According to Politico it is. Internecine war in the Tea Party? Heh. Disarray begins. Maybe that is why I saw no racist stuff at the Griffith Part TP Express event. Plenty o crazy though.

excerpts
The proposal, obtained by POLITICO, was for a nationwide tea party bus tour, to be called the Tea Party Express, which over the past seven months has become among the most identifiable brands of the tea party movement. Buses emblazoned with the Tea Party Express logo have brought speakers and entertainers to rallies in dozens of small towns and big cities, including one in Boston on Wednesday that will feature former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

But the Tea Party Express’s high profile has angered tea party leaders who are suspicious of its big payments to Russo Marsh, view the bus tours as distractions from meaningful grass-roots organizing headed into the 2010 midterm elections and say the Republican ties of both the firm and PAC are wrong for a movement that has prided itself on independence from the political establishment and has fiercely rejected what it sees as GOP efforts to co-opt it.

74 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:47:56pm

Rasmussen puts Ron Paul(!) at 41% to Obama's 42%...

Pit maverick Republican Congressman Ron Paul against President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up, and the race is – virtually dead even.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Hey, maybe that explains where McCain's 'maverick' title went.

75 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:49:15pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

Tea Party Express is a branch of a Republican PAC. Fortunately for the GOP, most tea partiers are too stupid to know they're being manipulated and mined for cash.

76 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:49:41pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

Heh. Upding.

I was up all night reading Ken Follett's first big hit novel, "The Eye of the Needle".

Great book, great historical background, and Winston Churchill puts in a cameo appearance.

Oops...sorry...gotta run. U-boat surfaces in half an hour.

Really a terrific read. The movie wasn't bad either:

Eye of the Needle

77 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:50:25pm

re: #75 darthstar

Tea Party Express is a branch of a Republican PAC. Fortunately for the GOP, most tea partiers are too stupid to know they're being manipulated and mined for cash.

Abso-frikken-lutely!

No longer and R, me.
Now, registered, no party affiliation.
Suits much better.

78 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:51:03pm

re: #56 brookly red

Yeah, this one was in the Concord Monitor. What a ringing disavowal by Sullivan.///


Don't blame the Tea Party.
Last Sunday, the New Hampshire Citizens' Alliance sent out a press release accusing the New Hampshire Tea Party of "celebrating White Pride" by waving Tea Party flags alongside White Pride flags at a demonstration at the State House. "The activities locally mirror the national display of disrespectful, racist and homophobic behavior that has characterized Tea Party activities over the last several days," the alliance wrote.
Turns out, it wasn't the Tea Party. The small rally was organized by the Massachusetts-based white supremacist group North East White Pride.
' It appears we may have stepped in it again'
"The Citizens Alliance seems like they were in error," said former Democratic Party chairwoman Kathleen Sullivan, who had called on local Tea Party-affiliated candidates to denounce the rally.


[Link: www.concordmonitor.com...]

79 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:52:37pm

re: #78 tradewind

Yeah, this one was in the Concord Monitor. What a ringing disavowal by Sullivan.///


[Link: www.concordmonitor.com...]

There's nothing worse than getting bamboozled by out-of-state racists.

I hate it when that happens.

80 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:53:00pm

Will the costs for my hockey masks, scoped 44 magnum, loincloth and nitrous fueled dune buggy be covered by militia membership?

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:53:55pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will the costs for my hockey masks, scoped 44 magnum, loincloth and nitrous fueled dune buggy be covered by militia membership?


You are expected to have those already before you sign up. But just wait for the perks we have waiting for you...

82 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:53:59pm

re: #75 darthstar

And it's the saner side of the whole movement. Fascinating.

83 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:54:34pm

OT: Glacier triggers tsunami in Peru

84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:54:39pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will the costs for my hockey masks, scoped 44 magnum, loincloth and nitrous fueled dune buggy be covered by militia membership?

Yes, but you have to find your own gasoline supply.

85 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:55:20pm

re: #76 subsailor68

Saw that years ago. Looking forward to watching it again. I'll watch anything with Donald Sutherland in it. He's one of my heroes.

86 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:55:42pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We'll only let you blow up the dune buggy about a thousand times before we start charging you.

87 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:55:48pm

re: #84 oaktree

Yes, but you have to find your own gasoline supply.

I'll encourage my neighbors to take a walk.

88 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:56:28pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will the costs for my hockey masks, scoped 44 magnum, loincloth and nitrous fueled dune buggy be covered by militia membership?

Yes.

But it's BYOAmmo.

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:57:16pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Saw that years ago. Looking forward to watching it again. I'll watch anything with Donald Sutherland in it. He's one of my heroes.

J'accuse!

90 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:57:19pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Saw that years ago. Looking forward to watching it again. I'll watch anything with Donald Sutherland in it. He's one of my heroes.

3 of my all time favorite movies have him. Kelly's Heroes, the Dirty Dozen, and Citizen X.

91 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:58:53pm

It's worthy to note that Oklahoma GOP RINO Leaders say not so fast.

92 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 12:58:54pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 of my all time favorite movies have him. Kelly's Heroes, the Dirty Dozen, and Citizen X.

Great choices - but I'd have to add Don't Look Now. That movie just totally freaked me out!

93 avanti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:00:09pm

Well, the market is up over 100 points today, buy guns, seeds and GOLD, the Armageddon is still coming !

94 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:00:22pm

I thought his role in Pride and Prejudice was very well done. I could identify with the Father trying to understand his daughter's moods and loves and not quite getting it.

95 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:00:29pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 of my all time favorite movies have him. Kelly's Heroes, the Dirty Dozen, and Citizen X.

/all war criminals by today's standards...

96 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:01:31pm

re: #91 Jeff In Ohio

It's worthy to note that Oklahoma GOP RINO Leaders say not so fast.

In other words, some Oklahoma GOP leaders got home and their wives said, "Honey, if you screw up this job and get voted out of office by joining that group you're going to be having sex with yourself for the next year."

97 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:01:31pm

re: #95 brookly red

/all war criminals by today's standards...

:P

But thats where the fun is.

98 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:02:00pm

The silver lining (or tin I'm not sure yet) is the GOP could use the Tea Party movement to cast off the radical right and position themselves as a more centrist - fiscal responsibility - strong national defense party. Romney would be a good candidate to represent that kind of a GOP.

99 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:02:19pm

re: #96 darthstar

In other words, some Oklahoma GOP leaders got home and their wives said, "Honey, if you screw up this job and get voted out of office by joining that group you're going to be having sex with yourself for the next year."

C'mon man, it's Oklahoma. Those boys are already playing solo to ol' Spanky.

100 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:02:51pm

re: #98 DaddyG

First they'd have to find a fiscal conservative who isn't simply penny-wise and pound-foolish.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:02:56pm

re: #98 DaddyG

The silver lining (or tin I'm not sure yet) is the GOP could use the Tea Party movement to cast off the radical right and position themselves as a more centrist - fiscal responsibility - strong national defense party. Romney would be a good candidate to represent that kind of a GOP.


Does the GOP have the political will and do its members have strength of character to pull off a move like that?

102 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:04:06pm

re: #101 ralphieboy

Does the GOP have the political will and do its members have strength of character to pull off a move like that?

personally I would stick on 17 and wait for the dealer to bust.

103 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:04:08pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

:P

But thats where the fun is.


...and the gold!

104 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:04:13pm

re: #93 avanti

Hooray for the Market!

105 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:04:16pm

re: #98 DaddyG

The silver lining (or tin I'm not sure yet) is the GOP could use the Tea Party movement to cast off the radical right and position themselves as a more centrist - fiscal responsibility - strong national defense party. Romney would be a good candidate to represent that kind of a GOP.

They better get started. Right now the Tea Party is casting the RINOs out of the GOP.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:04:38pm

re: #98 DaddyG

The silver lining (or tin I'm not sure yet) is the GOP could use the Tea Party movement to cast off the radical right and position themselves as a more centrist - fiscal responsibility - strong national defense party. Romney would be a good candidate to represent that kind of a GOP.

I'd love for that to happen, I wouldn't bet on it any time soon. There's a big chunk of their activist base at those Tea Parties.

107 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:04:49pm

Is all this militia stuff basically a thinly veiled threat of armed insurrection and violence against political opponents?
Is that what this is really all about?

108 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:05:04pm

re: #79 garhighway
I'm just shocked, shocked, to see that there is such a thing as a New England white pride ( ugh) cabel, since it's common knowledge that all the racists are down here in the South.//

109 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:05:16pm

re: #98 DaddyG

Romney would be a good candidate to represent that kind of a GOP.

Except for the fact that he's an android.

I think he came from the same factory as Gore.

110 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:05:34pm

re: #101 ralphieboy

Does the GOP have the political will and do its members have strength of character to pull off a move like that?

This member does. I could be guilty of projection but I'm guessing a lot of "normal" people are going to vote for the more moderate candidate or throw away their GOP cards after this next election.

111 BlackFedora  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:05:51pm

See...

This is retarded and dangerous. Retarded and dangerous are never a good combination. Ever.

112 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:06:26pm

re: #108 tradewind

I'm just shocked, shocked, to see that there is such a thing as a New England white pride ( ugh) cabel, since it's common knowledge that all the racists are down here in the South.//

Boston has been a tough town that way since forever.

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:06:29pm

Okay, cat. I know you think you look adorable on my scanner with your feet all in the air, but no. Sadly, no, work must be done.

114 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:06:31pm

I don't link to RedState very often, but if you read the comments on this thread, it is a clear example of the current GOP fracture:[Link: www.redstate.com...]

115 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:06:52pm

re: #98 DaddyG

The silver lining (or tin I'm not sure yet) is the GOP could use the Tea Party movement to cast off the radical right and position themselves as a more centrist - fiscal responsibility - strong national defense party. Romney would be a good candidate to represent that kind of a GOP.

Romney is absolutely despised by many on the right, as I saw during a recent tiptoe through a swampland.

I couldn't believe what I saw written. Just - unbelievable

116 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:06:59pm

re: #108 tradewind

I'm just shocked, shocked, to see that there is such a thing as a New England white pride ( ugh) cabel, since it's common knowledge that all the racists are down here in the South.//

Seriously. The North has plenty of racists. We [Southerners] just air ours out more often and stamp a St. Andrews cross on the back of their pickups so they are easier to avoid on the highway.

117 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:07:05pm

re: #101 ralphieboy

Does the GOP have the political will and do its members have strength of character to pull off a move like that?

No.

118 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:07:16pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

Okay, cat. I know you think you look adorable on my scanner with your feet all in the air, but no. Sadly, no, work must be done.

Gotten the CAT OVERLORD GAZE yet for ignoring the cat yet?

119 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:07:24pm

re: #105 wrenchwench
When the RNC nominates its candidate for '12, I'm pretty sure you won't see ' tea party ' listed among the credentials of the nominee.
It gets a lot of publicity, because there is nothing the Dems would like better than to create a third party candidate to assure their hold on the WH. Looks as if they may be too late for Congressional midterms.

120 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:07:42pm

re: #103 DaddyG

...and the gold!

"You... the American army!"
"No, baby, we ain't."

121 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:07:55pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

Okay, cat. I know you think you look adorable on my scanner with your feet all in the air, but no. Sadly, no, work must be done.

Turn on the scanner, see what happens.
heehee.

122 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:08:07pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 of my all time favorite movies have him. Kelly's Heroes, the Dirty Dozen, and Citizen X.

Kelly's Heroes is my favorite "war" movie, hands down. All star cast and definitely the inspiration for that 3 Kings movie. Citizen X was disturbing but a fantastic flick and Sutherland's performance was outstanding.

123 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:09:35pm

re: #122 Locker

Hey, Locker.
My daughter is away for the day doing her thing at LSU, and I haven't called her once. Not once.

124 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:09:59pm

re: #109 garhighway

Except for the fact that he's an android.

I think he came from the same factory as Gore.


Us Mormons are not known for our firey rhetoric. The last leader that tried that was Brigham Young and some of his followers took him a little too literally at Mountain Meadows before his messenger got to them to tell them "leave the wagon trains alone".

125 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:10:01pm

OT, but important.

U.S. Signals Support for New Kyrgyz Leader

BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan — The Obama administration signaled its support for the new leadership of Kyrgyzstan on Wednesday, sending a senior diplomat here to meet with the head of the country’s interim government.

126 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:10:04pm

re: #122 Locker

Kelly's Heroes is my favorite "war" movie, hands down. All star cast and definitely the inspiration for that 3 Kings movie. Citizen X was disturbing but a fantastic flick and Sutherland's performance was outstanding.

I think the best scene from Citizen X was the day after the Soviet Party fell, where Sutherland and Rea had the meeting in the old commitee room. Lots of good subtle performances thru the whole film.

127 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:10:25pm

re: #108 tradewind

I'm just shocked, shocked, to see that there is such a thing as a New England white pride ( ugh) cabel, since it's common knowledge that all the racists are down here in the South.//

The difference is, the racists in new england don't have massive political pull.

In the south, they get elected governor.

128 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:10:45pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

does that include all registered republicans?

I ask because I am registered R and I have both the strength and will to fight the tea part madness, I do it every time I am confronted with it.

jus' sayin'

129 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:10:55pm

re: #116 DaddyG
Still, listening to the MSM's take on the geography of racism, you'd think that Rodney King was chased down on the streets of Atlanta, and Abner Louima was brutalized in a doorway in Memphis.

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:11:13pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

Turn on the scanner, see what happens.
heehee.

Just did! She moved, but I totally have her butt in Photoshop. Uploading it now :D

131 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:04pm

re: #130 WindUpBird

Link!

132 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:16pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

Hey, Locker.
My daughter is away for the day doing her thing at LSU, and I haven't called her once. Not once.

Yea but how many times did you text? ;-)

133 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:18pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

Turn on the scanner, see what happens.
heehee.

Tricky.

If the cat likes it you'll never get to use the scanner again, and your scans will also all have cat butts on them in the background. Plus side is a positive reference in the cat overlord review for providing a nice butt-warming device.

If it startles the cat you risk triggering the special defensive CAT LASER and/or CAT TASER devices. Or worse, they opt to be more subtle and hack hairballs on your couch and other furniture for the next three months.

134 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:19pm

re: #129 tradewind

Still, listening to the MSM's take on the geography of racism, you'd think that Rodney King was chased down on the streets of Atlanta, and Abner Louima was brutalized in a doorway in Memphis.

/Gee, If they are spinning that stuff what else might they be misleading us on?

135 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:35pm

re: #129 tradewind

Still, listening to the MSM's take on the geography of racism, you'd think that Rodney King was chased down on the streets of Atlanta, and Abner Louima was brutalized in a doorway in Memphis.

Funny, all the articles I read about the Louima situation all placed it in NYC.

136 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:43pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

Turn on the scanner, see what happens.
heehee.

Kitty pron. /

137 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:52pm

re: #128 Stonemason

does that include all registered republicans?

I ask because I am registered R and I have both the strength and will to fight the tea part madness, I do it every time I am confronted with it.

jus' sayin'

Of course it doesn't.
I've been registered D, registered R, and am now without party affiliation.
Which is where I'm afraid many will end up, if the whacko fringe of the R party continues to actually be the solid core of influence in the R party. They have a stranglehold in some areas. Seriously.

138 avanti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:12:55pm

538.com comments on the Rassmusen Paul/Obama poll.

"The most electable Republican in America is ... um ... Ron Paul?

That's what you might think if you looked at today's Rasmussen poll, which shows Obama leading the libertarian by just 1 point, 42-41. The 'shock poll' is getting its share of attention, particularly since few other polls have shown any Republicans running that competitively against Obama.

But as regular readers of this website will know, the person conducting the poll can have a profound impact on its results. Rasmussen, in particular, has had a substantial Republican-leaning house effect thus far this year. Perhaps they will turn out to be right (although their idea of trying to apply a "likely voter" model 2.5 years in advance of an election is dubious). But it would be wrong to take a Rasmussen poll (or any other) at face value without taking into account this context."


read more

poll.

139 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:13:27pm

re: #132 Locker

Yea but how many times did you text? ;-)

HA!
Once.
In response to a text FROM her.
I've gotta just let it go . . .

140 justaminute  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:13:52pm

re: #91 Jeff In Ohio

As a OKC resident is was funny to see Brogden on TV last night saying he was misquoted and he did not mean a militia like everyone was talking about. He never explained what he meant by that. The news programs on all stations kept showing pics from the OKC bombing and Bogden stuttering all over the place. I think he had a serious brain fart and he is really, really sorry he said this.

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:13:57pm

re: #118 oaktree

Gotten the CAT OVERLORD GAZE yet for ignoring the cat yet?

hahaha

142 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:13:58pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

I should throw a pool party for my non affiliated pst wing friends. Hey!The Pool Party... Hmm

143 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:14:57pm

It is becoming increasingly apparent that the Conservative movement in the US is essentially a cult.

I capitalise Conservative deliberately, because I do not intend to disparage conservative positions or politics. I consider myself quite conservative, at least by foreign standards (ie. flaming pinko commie by US standards). Reasonable and good people are frequently conservative in at least some regards. By 'Conservative', however, I mean those who consider themselves part of the active Conservative movement in the US today, ie. Tea Partiers, freepers and other Conservative blog-types, dittoheads, Beckians, Paulians, and the like.

It's a cult, and one that has been carefully made over the past 15 years or so. Its tenets are based on articles of faith and beliefs that are increasingly at odds with objective reality, and these beliefs are not dependent on reason, factual argument, or contrary evidence. All contrary evidence, opposing opinions, and the like are lies, perpetrated by hostile enemies anathema to everything they stand for. There is no other explanation - if what they read on Hot Air or see on Fox or hear on the radio is at odds with evidence presented elsewhere, the so-called 'evidence' is nothing more than part of the conspiracy against them.

Frequent arguments here on LGF revolve around whether the obvious racist and atavistic bent of the Tea Parties should be taken as meaning that all Tea Partiers are racists. I think that argument, while it has merit, does not get at the real heart of the issue. Which is, I believe, that this Conservative movement may or may not one that naturally attracts racists, secessionists, and others of dark intent, but it is a cult that creates a certain dogma and immunity to facts in those that adhere to it. In other words, whether a given Tea Partier is a racist/secessionist/worse is not necessarily the point; the point is that his belief set is more or less what the strong personalities and leaders in the cult say they are.

It's a frightening thing, I think. Because if it were merely a problem of differing political beliefs or outdated ideas, weight of evidence and the power of persuasion could be used. But when dealing with a cult mentality, weight of evidence and persuasion are of limited use, if not totally useless. And I think that's very, very grim indeed for the future of political discourse in this country.

144 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:14:58pm

re: #133 oaktree

Tricky.

If the cat likes it you'll never get to use the scanner again, and your scans will also all have cat butts on them in the background. Plus side is a positive reference in the cat overlord review for providing a nice butt-warming device.

If it startles the cat you risk triggering the special defensive CAT LASER and/or CAT TASER devices. Or worse, they opt to be more subtle and hack hairballs on your couch and other furniture for the next three months.

Have you ever seen The Engineer's Guide to Cats? I've posted it before, but it's been awhile, and it's always good. So if you haven't seen it, here it is:

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:15:05pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

re: #136 DaddyG

re: #131 Rightwingconspirator

I present: CATBUTT

Now Cydonia is in the window, destroying what's left of my miniblinds. XD

146 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:15:22pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Of course it doesn't.
I've been registered D, registered R, and am now without party affiliation.
Which is where I'm afraid many will end up, if the whacko fringe of the R party continues to actually be the solid core of influence in the R party. They have a stranglehold in some areas. Seriously.

blessed be the independents, for they shall inherit the earth.

147 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:15:31pm

re: #127 WindUpBird
Barbour's comment that got no publicity was ' It's not as if anyone has to be told that slavery was a horrible thing'.
Not so racist. And while you're at it, why don't you compare the job Barbour (R, standing for ' racist ' ) did restoring MS, which was absolutely devastated in cities such as Gulfport/Biloxi during Katrina , to the job Kathleen (D, so presumably incapable of racism) did for LA?

148 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:16:20pm

re: #129 tradewind

Still, listening to the MSM's take on the geography of racism, you'd think that Rodney King was chased down on the streets of Atlanta, and Abner Louima was brutalized in a doorway in Memphis.


In all seriousness I have minority friends (insert snark here) who won't live up North because at least in the South you know who hates you. While "up there" are a whole lot of polite people who will "stab you in the back as they smile at you".

It is a kind of weird vibe. Most of us don't take the racists (or the politicians) that seriously around here. The press just regurgitate old stories and stereotypes.

149 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:16:45pm

re: #145 WindUpBird

re: #136 DaddyG

re: #131 Rightwingconspirator

I present: CATBUTT

Now Cydonia is in the window, destroying what's left of my miniblinds. XD

I am ROFL!
I don't think I've ever seen that view before. Parts of that view, I've seen. But not the whole thing, in just that way. Too funny!

150 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:17:07pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Heck, OK is one of the states where I'm looking at potential jobs. Maybe I'll join as a Fifth Columnist. I look the part, I've got my own guns, and I know Morse so I can tap out my reports lake at night on my Captain Socialist seekrit radio transmitter.

Straight to the White House and Obama's IRS KGB.

And you can teach the guys Latin while waiting for the next skirmish!

What's not to like?

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:17:43pm

re: #138 avanti

538.com comments on the Rassmusen Paul/Obama poll.

"The most electable Republican in America is ... um ... Ron Paul?

That's what you might think if you looked at today's Rasmussen poll, which shows Obama leading the libertarian by just 1 point, 42-41. The 'shock poll' is getting its share of attention, particularly since few other polls have shown any Republicans running that competitively against Obama.

But as regular readers of this website will know, the person conducting the poll can have a profound impact on its results. Rasmussen, in particular, has had a substantial Republican-leaning house effect thus far this year. Perhaps they will turn out to be right (although their idea of trying to apply a "likely voter" model 2.5 years in advance of an election is dubious). But it would be wrong to take a Rasmussen poll (or any other) at face value without taking into account this context."

read more

poll.

haha wwasn't it a Rasmussen poll that Drudge cited right before the presidential election that said McCain was ahead? Ron Paul's star is certainly rising, but in a general against Obama, he'd be squashed.

538, consistently one of the coolest sites on these internets

152 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:17:44pm

re: #146 brookly red

blessed be the independents, for they shall inherit the earth.

Not independent.
"No Party Affiliation".
In this state, there's a difference for some reason I can't really fathom.

153 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:17:46pm

re: #135 garhighway
Oh, sorry.... I forgot the // training wheels for those who need them.

154 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:17:51pm

re: #140 justaminute

As a OKC resident is was funny to see Brogden on TV last night saying he was misquoted and he did not mean a militia like everyone was talking about. He never explained what he meant by that. The news programs on all stations kept showing pics from the OKC bombing and Bogden stuttering all over the place. I think he had a serious brain fart and he is really, really sorry he said this.

I'm transferring to OKC later this year for work..I'll be working across the Street from OU...

155 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:18:24pm

re: #153 tradewind

Oh, sorry... I forgot the // training wheels for those who need them.

Me, too.

156 fizzlogic  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:18:34pm

It's pretty obvious these legislators tune in to FNC and Glen Beck regularly--proof FNC has devoted watchers.

157 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:18:53pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Of course it doesn't.
I've been registered D, registered R, and am now without party affiliation.
Which is where I'm afraid many will end up, if the whacko fringe of the R party continues to actually be the solid core of influence in the R party. They have a stranglehold in some areas. Seriously.

I think it quite probable that many in the Republican party do have the sense of reality and strength of character to disavow this movement. However, the real problem is that the Republicans are no longer in charge of their party. They are nothing more than the political arm of the Conservative media. Their message is decided for them, not necessarily by a single person or small group, but by a sort of prevailing dogma, and if they speak out against that message, their words will be suppressed at best, and they run the risk of excommunication if they persist.

158 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:18:58pm

re: #145 WindUpBird

re: #136 DaddyG

re: #131 Rightwingconspirator

I present: CATBUTT

Now Cydonia is in the window, destroying what's left of my miniblinds. XD


I wake up to a similar sight many mornings.

159 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:19:16pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Of course it doesn't.
I've been registered D, registered R, and am now without party affiliation.
Which is where I'm afraid many will end up, if the whacko fringe of the R party continues to actually be the solid core of influence in the R party. They have a stranglehold in some areas. Seriously.

but it is the fringe. I had this discussion four years ago, that the fringe of the left was going to bring it down, they were nuts, all the same stuff, and I was proven wrong when the Left gained all those seats.

It is the fringe, will always be the fringe, but it is what is getting air-play at the moment. The left fringe is still there too, doing nutty stuff, but their guy is in power, so their nutty stuff isn't getting play.

Anecdotal? sure, the weekly protests in West Chester have the same people out, in the same numbers. The 'sheep dogs' on the right have not been bolstered be tea party people, and those I spoke too wouldn't have them due to racism. The Chester County Peace movement still has the same communists and soclialists.

Life goes on here in the middle, it always will, it's just not exciting enough for the news.

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:19:34pm

Another Tea Bag infiltrator

OMG! Alinsky Infiltrator!

161 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:19:37pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

Not independent.
"No Party Affiliation".
In this state, there's a difference for some reason I can't really fathom.

it's the same difference... political parties are out, platforms are in.

162 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:20:21pm

re: #147 tradewind

Barbour's comment that got no publicity was ' It's not as if anyone has to be told that slavery was a horrible thing'.
Not so racist. And while you're at it, why don't you compare the job Barbour (R, standing for ' racist ' ) did restoring MS, which was absolutely devastated in cities such as Gulfport/Biloxi during Katrina , to the job Kathleen (D, so presumably incapable of racism) did for LA?

Here's exactly why:
People think all the poor blacks affected by Katrina lived in New Orleans, vs. all those wealthy folks in mansions on the Miss Gulf Coast.

Never mind that percentage of blacks living in Miss. is larger than the percentage in NO.

Never mind that anyone with enough money for a beach vacation home is really going to go 2 hours east to Gulf Shores/Perdido Key and live on a real beach with clear water instead of a man-made beach and muddy water.

Never mind that Biloxi/Gulfport is populated with people whose main source of income is jobs in the casinos and hotels.

163 fizzlogic  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:20:34pm

re: #8 garhighway

It's almost like they've joined McVeigh's side, almost.

164 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:20:34pm

re: #143 Renaissance_Man

I've written about Brogdon before, but you're right, they are very cultish.

Brogdon is a fan/guest of Alex Jones:

Brogdon is a big anti-NAU type.

166 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:21:36pm

re: #148 DaddyG
Not gonna snark ya.
:) Even though your' minority friends ' are not in the minority in my city, so I had to look twice.

167 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:21:45pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Have you ever seen The Engineer's Guide to Cats? I've posted it before, but it's been awhile, and it's always good. So if you haven't seen it, here it is:

[Video]

LOL—my cats are lying in the sun having a siesta, but when they heard the guy in the video say "tuna" both their heads shot up in an instant.

168 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:21:50pm

re: #157 Renaissance_Man

I think it quite probable that many in the Republican party do have the sense of reality and strength of character to disavow this movement. However, the real problem is that the Republicans are no longer in charge of their party. They are nothing more than the political arm of the Conservative media. Their message is decided for them, not necessarily by a single person or small group, but by a sort of prevailing dogma, and if they speak out against that message, their words will be suppressed at best, and they run the risk of excommunication if they persist.

Their words will be suppressed.
Case in point: David Frum.

169 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:21:59pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

Not independent.
"No Party Affiliation".
In this state, there's a difference for some reason I can't really fathom.

You said earlier it was for the primaries, that made sense to me...here in PA the primaries are closed, and No Party is not an option, yours are open, if I remember the conversation right. Given the choice, I would be No Party.

170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:22:57pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

I set it as a favorite to watch later. Can't watch videos from here. :(

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:23:06pm

re: #147 tradewind

Barbour's comment that got no publicity was ' It's not as if anyone has to be told that slavery was a horrible thing'.
Not so racist. And while you're at it, why don't you compare the job Barbour (R, standing for ' racist ' ) did restoring MS, which was absolutely devastated in cities such as Gulfport/Biloxi during Katrina , to the job Kathleen (D, so presumably incapable of racism) did for LA?

Changing the subject from a guy (R) who was covering for another guy (another R) who dismissed slavery as not important to mention during "Confederate History month". Got it! Understand completely! Disaster relief policy is totally relevant to dogwhistle racism! Look over there! Pay no attention to the Southern Strategy!

Oh by the way, Mississippi? Still hasn't gotten the memo that we outlawed segregation. [Link: www.southernpoliticalreport.com...]

Barbour is just carrying the torch for McDonnell. it's like a relay!

172 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:23:22pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Another Tea Bag infiltrator

OMG! Alinsky Infiltrator!

STONE HIM! STONE HIM!

/

173 justaminute  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:23:34pm

re: #154 HoosierHoops

You will like Norman. It's a fun town. We meaning my husband and I as well as our son graduated from OU. There are a lot of great restaurants around where you will be working.

174 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:24:02pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Heck, OK is one of the states where I'm looking at potential jobs. Maybe I'll join as a Fifth Columnist. I look the part, I've got my own guns, and I know Morse so I can tap out my reports lake at night on my Captain Socialist seekrit radio transmitter.

Straight to the White House and Obama's IRS KGB.

You could be an agent provocateur. Since you are so good at mocking Sarah Palin, you'd provoke them plenty. ;)

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:24:21pm

Anyone wanna play "Name that flag?"

176 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:24:47pm

Brogdon recently did a foot in mouth move:

[Link: www.clipsyndicate.com...]

177 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:24:50pm

re: #159 Stonemason

but it is the fringe. I had this discussion four years ago, that the fringe of the left was going to bring it down, they were nuts, all the same stuff, and I was proven wrong when the Left gained all those seats.

It is the fringe, will always be the fringe, but it is what is getting air-play at the moment. The left fringe is still there too, doing nutty stuff, but their guy is in power, so their nutty stuff isn't getting play.

Anecdotal? sure, the weekly protests in West Chester have the same people out, in the same numbers. The 'sheep dogs' on the right have not been bolstered be tea party people, and those I spoke too wouldn't have them due to racism. The Chester County Peace movement still has the same communists and soclialists.

Life goes on here in the middle, it always will, it's just not exciting enough for the news.

You know, I had similar thoughts to yours.
But there are some differences that have been brought to my attention, and after MUCH very painful reflection, I've concluded these differences matter.

And the most important one:
The 'lefty' fringe truly was NOT embraced by the leaders of the Dem party in the way the Republicans have embraced the right-fringe. The lefty fringe - was the fringe. The righty fringe - currently has control of the message and the platform. Big difference, different sort of battle, and I don't have the ability, knowledge, or talent to do anything about it.

178 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:25:07pm

re: #159 Stonemason
Well said Stonemason. It is a typical organizational dynamic for a losing team to question its strategy and try to reform around a new coalition.

I have contended for a while that the more radical voices on the right side of the political spectrum are vocal now in the wake of a political drubbing in the 2008 election. There will be jockying up until the general election because they see it as an opportunity to take over the right from the Bush/Bush/Reagan power brokers.

The same thing happened to the left after Carter and after Clinton.

Meanwhile the winning team sets into hubris and a "we can't lose" mentality.

Neither dynamic is healthy long term if the parties want to grow and stay in touch, but it is a natural course of events.

179 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:26:13pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

LOL—my cats are lying in the sun having a siesta, but when they heard the guy in the video say "tuna" both their heads shot up in an instant.

hahaha
Cocaine for Cats.
I love it.
Glad you enjoyed it.

180 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:26:57pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Anyone wanna play "Name that flag?"

Looks like a Steve to me. Maybe an Earl.

181 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:27:33pm

re: #178 DaddyG

Well said Stonemason. It is a typical organizational dynamic for a losing team to question its strategy and try to reform around a new coalition.

I have contended for a while that the more radical voices on the right side of the political spectrum are vocal now in the wake of a political drubbing in the 2008 election. There will be jockying up until the general election because they see it as an opportunity to take over the right from the Bush/Bush/Reagan power brokers.

The same thing happened to the left after Carter and after Clinton.

Meanwhile the winning team sets into hubris and a "we can't lose" mentality.

Neither dynamic is healthy long term if the parties want to grow and stay in touch, but it is a natural course of events.

But it is a funny thing: the usual party response to getting its ass kicked is to move to the middle, towards the center of gravity of the electorate. But we are seeing the exact opposite this time around. I have no idea how this ends, but it is a plot line I have never seen before.

182 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:27:48pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Anyone wanna play "Name that flag?"


Never seen that one before? What is it. (I assume its a good thing I've never seen it before).

183 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:27:56pm

re: #169 Stonemason

You said earlier it was for the primaries, that made sense to me...here in PA the primaries are closed, and No Party is not an option, yours are open, if I remember the conversation right. Given the choice, I would be No Party.

Exactly. Our "primaries" include every candidate of every party, and all voters vote in all primaries. Often, one candidate will win during the "primary" election and we don't have to have a regular elections. Sometimes we have a regular election with 3 Dems, or some other combination.

Party affiliation is not required to be able to fully participate in the process

184 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:28:09pm

BTW, took the kids to "How to tame your Dragon" over vacation. Really good family movie.

185 avanti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:28:10pm

Looks like a RINO showed up on Hot Air and commented on the racial aspect of the supposed Palin pin attack in New Orleans :


"They actually might not have said anything racialist, but the poor downtrodden African-American could have still “heard” the guy say “boy.”
Plus, according to well-respected professors at our institutions of higher learning =, the simple act of being white makes you a racist.
case closed.. next?"
max1 on April 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Since the attackers were white that would have been pretty weird.

186 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:28:22pm

re: #170 oaktree

I set it as a favorite to watch later. Can't watch videos from here. :(

Please do watch it, though.
It's really hilarious, matches up with what you've written quite well.

187 brookly red  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:28:45pm

re: #179 reine.de.tout

hahaha
Cocaine for Cats.
I love it.
Glad you enjoyed it.

habits are expensive... where do you think cat burglars come from?

188 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:29:16pm

re: #173 justaminute

You will like Norman. It's a fun town. We meaning my husband and I as well as our son graduated from OU. There are a lot of great restaurants around where you will be working.

Sounds like fun living in a college town with great food.. I have a conference call at 8pm EST tonight about move details...

189 Blizard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:29:30pm

re: #148 DaddyG

In all seriousness I have minority friends (insert snark here) who won't live up North because at least in the South you know who hates you. While "up there" are a whole lot of polite people who will "stab you in the back as they smile at you".

That sounds familiar...like I've heard it somewhere before...

“We need to purge the Republicans of the weaklings,” Tea Party Express 3 Chairman Mark Williams told CNN. “And we’re on a...RINO hunt. And we’re going to drive them to extinction.” “RINO” - “Republicans in name only” – is a bit of a political slur within the GOP that is sometimes used by staunch conservatives to refer to those fellow Republicans who they do not regard as hewing closely enough to the party’s core principles.

“I got more knife wounds in my back from Republican operatives, than Democrats could ever do,” Williams said. He added, “The Democrats at least stand there and tell me they hate me, and tell me that they hate America. These Republicans smile at me, shake my hand and then they stab me in the back.”

190 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:30:29pm

re: #149 reine.de.tout

I am ROFL!
I don't think I've ever seen that view before. Parts of that view, I've seen. But not the whole thing, in just that way. Too funny!

Do not let a Tomcat see that picture. Your monitor will never be the same. :)

191 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:31:23pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

Do you have an Independent registered party? Uber Christian party, here in Ca.

192 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:31:25pm

re: #181 garhighway

But it is a funny thing: the usual party response to getting its ass kicked is to move to the middle, towards the center of gravity of the electorate. But we are seeing the exact opposite this time around. I have no idea how this ends, but it is a plot line I have never seen before.


Given the powers that be indulged in non-conservative behavior like huge defecit spending and big government programs the center lost it's groove. The reactionary right is riding on the dissatisfaction of the traditional small government, libertarian lite base. The religious right have gone from important voter consituency to taking over the party. That is not a good thing IMO.

193 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:31:48pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

I do get that, some of the leaders of the party are on board and I don't want to seem like I am saying this is like that, or comparing the two too much.

I am more thinking along human nature lines, those of us who reside in the middle don't do too much screeching or protesting, we campaign, we make phone calls, stuff envelopes, we run for local office. The screechers get the air time while the middle moves the electorate.

We can go back and forth over which is 'worse', I honestly think they are equal, one is just here and now, the other was back then and memories fade.

Looking to the future I know I need to work a little harder to keep those I feel will govern better in their seats.

194 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:32:56pm

re: #157 Renaissance_Man
Things tend to shake out in an election, and while a Ron Paul-Obama matchup would send tingles down the legs of every member of the DNC, it's not happening.

195 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:34:24pm

re: #148 DaddyG

In all seriousness I have minority friends (insert snark here) who won't live up North because at least in the South you know who hates you. While "up there" are a whole lot of polite people who will "stab you in the back as they smile at you".

I guess a lot of it must depend on personal experiences. I was born & raised in the South and moved to the East Coast and felt exactly the reverse was true.

It is a kind of weird vibe. Most of us don't take the racists (or the politicians) that seriously around here. The press just regurgitate old stories and stereotypes.

Based on my personal experiences, I'd say that's a luxury that most minorities can't afford. As someone who's half white but looks like a minority (inherited one parent's olive skin & dark eyes) I always took it very seriously, and with good reason. There are places in TX where, if you look like I do, you don't want to be caught by yourself on a lonely road, especially late at night.

196 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:34:31pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Another Tea Bag infiltrator

OMG! Alinsky Infiltrator!

Can we at least call him a violent teabagger?

197 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:34:36pm

re: #191 Rightwingconspirator

Do you have an Independent registered party? Uber Christian party, here in Ca.

There is an "independent" party.
I don't know much about them, very quiet they are.
"No Party Affiliation" - I like it.

198 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:34:42pm

re: #193 Stonemason

I never get this adamant fixation that things are equal. Even probability would say that's very unlikely, but it's insisted on over and over.

The GOP is embracing the fringe to an extent the Democrats never did. Charles has documented this perfectly well.

199 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:35:26pm
200 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:36:08pm

re: #182 DaddyG

Never seen that one before? What is it. (I assume its a good thing I've never seen it before).

No clue. Could the the Mummers or the Elk's lodge for all I know.

201 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:36:39pm

re: #193 Stonemason

I do get that, some of the leaders of the party are on board and I don't want to seem like I am saying this is like that, or comparing the two too much.

I am more thinking along human nature lines, those of us who reside in the middle don't do too much screeching or protesting, we campaign, we make phone calls, stuff envelopes, we run for local office. The screechers get the air time while the middle moves the electorate.

We can go back and forth over which is 'worse', I honestly think they are equal, one is just here and now, the other was back then and memories fade.

Looking to the future I know I need to work a little harder to keep those I feel will govern better in their seats.

Very well said. The sreamers will always get the air time because they make people want to watch. Moderation is boring.

202 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:36:45pm

Normal people:

The new silent majority

203 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:36:49pm

re: #193 Stonemason

I do get that, some of the leaders of the party are on board and I don't want to seem like I am saying this is like that, or comparing the two too much.

I am more thinking along human nature lines, those of us who reside in the middle don't do too much screeching or protesting, we campaign, we make phone calls, stuff envelopes, we run for local office. The screechers get the air time while the middle moves the electorate.

We can go back and forth over which is 'worse', I honestly think they are equal, one is just here and now, the other was back then and memories fade.

Looking to the future I know I need to work a little harder to keep those I feel will govern better in their seats.

You're absolutely correct, those of us in the middle don't do much screeching, etc.

And yes -- the answer is to work a little harder to keep those who you feel are best, in their seats. Which I can easily do. My de-registering from the R party is my own little "protest". It doesn't really mean much more than that.

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:37:00pm

re: #199 freetoken

Did anyone post this yet?

Fox & Friends sees "Muslim image" in logo for Nuclear Security Summit

Fox and Friends!

That show is unwatchably stupid. My only question is, do they have to be coached to act that stupid? Or is it authentic?

205 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:37:31pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

There are places in TX where, if you look like I do, you don't want to be caught by yourself on a lonely road, especially late at night.

No doubt. The same went for Illinois (my wife had the local Grand Dragon of the KKK living in the house behind hers). But in general the stereotype that the South is the home base for racism is just that. A stereotype.

Of course I work in Atlanta where there is a much more cosmopolitan culture.

206 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:38:06pm
207 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:38:14pm

re: #171 WindUpBird
Schools in the North tend to be far more segregated than those in the South.
(Nice site, btw. Never would have learned about the Blue Star Energy Drink Party without it)!
[Link: www.southernpoliticalreport.com...]

208 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:38:24pm

re: #199 freetoken

Did anyone post this yet?

Fox & Friends sees "Muslim image" in logo for Nuclear Security Summit

Yes. Fun was poked at it in a previous thread.

209 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:38:24pm

re: #198 Obdicut

I never get this adamant fixation that things are equal. Even probability would say that's very unlikely, but it's insisted on over and over.

The GOP is embracing the fringe to an extent the Democrats never did. Charles has documented this perfectly well.

I agree, but I took Stonemason's comment to be more of a "the pendulum will swing" sort of thing, even though he used the term "all things are equal".

210 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:38:27pm

re: #204 WindUpBird

It would appear as if F&F is the source of a great deal of The Onion's material.

211 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:38:51pm

re: #199 freetoken

Did anyone post this yet?

Fox & Friends sees "Muslim image" in logo for Nuclear Security Summit

The logos look nothing alike. Is there ANY answer for this kind of garbage other than ODS?

212 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:39:08pm
213 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:39:36pm

re: #206 WindUpBird

NEW X-COM

Boo - X-Com as a FPS? Just remake the original with updated graphics and engine and you'll have an instant hit.

214 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:39:40pm

re: #199 freetoken

Did anyone post this yet?

Fox & Friends sees "Muslim image" in logo for Nuclear Security Summit

I knew it! Seektrit Muslin!

/

215 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:39:53pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Can we at least call him a violent teabagger?


I've tried to think of a good combination of Tea Bagger and Gang Banger and I've got nothing' I could use in mixed company. //

216 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:39:59pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

You on a mission today?

217 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:41:08pm

re: #199 freetoken

Did anyone post this yet?

Fox & Friends sees "Muslim image" in logo for Nuclear Security Summit

They did that for the missile defense logo, too. In both cases its motivated by a desire to see Obama as a Muslim, or at least pander to those who do. Boo to Fox for catering to those assholes.

218 kirkspencer  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:41:15pm

re: #36 ryannon

This is getting depressing. When will Americans pull out of this nose-dive into teh crazy?

Answer: not soon.

Sadly (given I voted for the man) I think we can spot a major inflection point from about 30 years ago. "The nine most frightening words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help.""

It's older than that, of course -- Reagan was just articulating the statement. But it wraps around a belief the government is the enemy, forever and always.

Even though 'the government' is mostly folks like you and me, and sometimes IS you and me.

219 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:41:24pm
220 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:41:36pm

re: #206 WindUpBird

NEW X-COM

Hope they do it right. The original XCOM and XCOM apocalypse were classics.

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:42:07pm

re: #216 reine.de.tout

You on a mission today?

Naw, just goofing abound while I eat my sardines for lunch.

222 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:42:41pm

re: #218 kirkspencer

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help.""

Hey- that's my job!

223 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:42:44pm

re: #213 Renaissance_Man

Boo - X-Com as a FPS? Just remake the original with updated graphics and engine and you'll have an instant hit.

I wouldn't mind some of the missions being FPS, as long as they kept the research and team development options in there as well.

224 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:42:47pm

re: #198 Obdicut

Yes, Charles has done a great job of exposing the racist underbelly of the TP movement, and has exposed those GOP members that embrace them much the same as he did to the left back in the day.

I know, the 'it's worse now' meme is the accepted philosophy, I don't agree and to be honest, when I post radical left stuff from when the GOP was in power I am accused of Tu Quoque, which is of course valid because that is what I am trying to prove. It is a little circular.

I am NOT saying that the tea party movement is excused because the left fringe is nuts too, I am saying that they are both nuts.

I am not saying that this, or any other, blog should not point out the nuttiness on either side, it helps to expose the nuts.

We are not going to agree though, we are coming at it from different sides. I get that.

225 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:42:53pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

That's not an infiltrator.

226 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:43:27pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout


I'm Gay for Palin


love it...

227 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:43:51pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

I Forgot What I'm Angry About

Marijuana legalization rally?

228 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:44:05pm
229 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:44:09pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Aw look at the cute little Conspiracy theorist. Isn't he just an adorable piece of Bad Craziness?

230 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:44:11pm

re: #218 kirkspencer

Answer: not soon.

Sadly (given I voted for the man) I think we can spot a major inflection infection point from about 30 years ago. "The nine most frightening words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

FTFY.

Reagan was a toad.

231 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:44:16pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

I agree, but I took Stonemason's comment to be more of a "the pendulum will swing" sort of thing, even though he used the term "all things are equal".

I was talking about this comment of his:

We can go back and forth over which is 'worse', I honestly think they are equal, one is just here and now, the other was back then and memories fade.

And I think that's dangerous and short-sighted thinking.

I don't think liberal and conservative are useful words. I don't think 'middle' is a useful word either; it's completely undefined.

Am I in the middle because I base my economic views on pragmatism? I support single-payer. Is someone's views in the 'middle' when they kludge together ideas from both 'sides', even if the result is a travesty?

In addition, even if there is a linear scale, then when one side acts more extremely, that moves where the 'middle' is-- the so-called Overton Window.

I think we spend far too much time analyzing ideas for where they fall on a fictitious political spectrum, and not enough time analyzing ideas on their actual merits and workability

232 avanti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:44:29pm

re: #204 WindUpBird

Fox and Friends!

That show is unwatchably stupid. My only question is, do they have to be coached to act that stupid? Or is it authentic?

I think they are just that stupid, sadly, so are a lot of their fans. They see a conspiracy everywhere they look, both sad and scary.

233 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:45:45pm

INCREDIBLY powerful 60 minutes segment about the Nazi Archive that is being made public. 16 miles worth of records on over 17 million prisoners who went through the concentration camp system.

Worth watching.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:46:01pm

re: #14 JasonA

Gotcha.

So why do they need a state militia??

Because they're pretty sure the Governor won't mobilize the National Guard to fight the IRS.

235 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:46:04pm

re: #231 Obdicut

And I think that's dangerous and short-sighted thinking.

I don't think liberal and conservative are useful words. I don't think 'middle' is a useful word either; it's completely undefined.

Am I in the middle because I base my economic views on pragmatism? I support single-payer. Is someone's views in the 'middle' when they kludge together ideas from both 'sides', even if the result is a travesty?

In addition, even if there is a linear scale, then when one side acts more extremely, that moves where the 'middle' is-- the so-called Overton Window.

I think we spend far too much time analyzing ideas for where they fall on a fictitious political spectrum, and not enough time analyzing ideas on their actual merits and workability

{obdi}
You do have a way with words.
I agree with that last part particularly.

236 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:46:05pm

re: #224 Stonemason

We are not going to agree though, we are coming at it from different sides. I get that.

What do you mean by 'sides'?

237 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:46:24pm

This is a tough one: Infiltrator or not?

I'm guessing not.

238 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:46:24pm

re: #207 tradewind

Schools in the North tend to be far more segregated than those in the South.
(Nice site, btw. Never would have learned about the Blue Star Energy Drink Party without it)!
[Link: www.southernpoliticalreport.com...]

Have you got a link for that? I would guess it depends on where you are in the North or South.

One demographic fact that contributes is the much higher overall black population in the South, particularly in rural areas. States like MS, SC and others have black populations of 30% or more. You don't find rates that high in other parts of the country, so what may look like more segregation in the North could in fact be a result of demographics, not policy.

239 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:47:02pm

re: #230 Cato the Elder

Can you name a single Republican President you liked in the last 100 years?

240 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:47:15pm

re: #233 Joo-LiZ

Wow. Thanks for that. I hadn't heard about this.

241 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:47:33pm

Military asserts right to return cyber attacks

The U.S. must fire back against cyber attacks swiftly and strongly and should act to counter or disable a threat even when the identity of the attacker is unknown, the director of the National Security Agency told Congress.

Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander, who is the Obama administration's nominee to take on additional duties as head of the new Cyber Command, also said the U.S. should not be deterred from taking action against countries such as Iran and North Korea just because they might launch cyber attacks.

"Even with the clear understanding that we could experience damage to our infrastructure, we must be prepared to fight through in the worst case scenario," Alexander said in a Senate document obtained by The Associated Press.

Alexander's answers reflect the murky nature of the Internet and the escalating threat of cyber terrorism, which defies borders, operates at the speed of light and can provide deep cover for assailants who can launch disruptive attacks from continents away, using networks of innocent computers.

The three-star Army general laid out his views on Cyber Command and the military's role in protecting computer networks in a 32-page Senate questionnaire. He answered the questions in preparation for a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing Thursday on his nomination to head Cyber Command.

U.S. computer networks are under constant attack, and President Barack Obama last year declared that the cyber threat is one of nation's most serious economic and national security challenges.

Alexander offered a limited but rare description of offensive U.S. cyber activities, saying the U.S. has "responded to threats, intrusions and even attacks against us in cyberspace," and has conducted exercises and war games.

242 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:48:09pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

This is a tough one: Infiltrator or not?

I'm guessing not.

I hope those quotes mean "buckshot" is to be taken metaphorically, I really do.

243 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:48:22pm

re: #231 Obdicut


I think we spend far too much time analyzing ideas for where they fall on a fictitious political spectrum, and not enough time analyzing ideas on their actual merits and workability

I am on board with that. It would be nice to be able to make that a workable situation but humans are not like that, are we?
We tend to need groups, we need to belong, hence, party affiliation and the whole 'mine is better than yours' stuff (think religion as well).

When I say 'middle' I don't mean mush, or cobbled together, I mean that I support some of the 'planks' of Dem. Rep. and Lib. parties, and for sure, not all of the planks of any one party.

244 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:48:49pm
245 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:49:09pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

Outing an "infiltrator".

I'm going to be tempted to make a sign & go tomorrow.

The P Party!

Give Peas a chance!

246 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:49:17pm

re: #239 Rightwingconspirator

Can you name a single Republican President you liked in the last 100 2,500 years?

Cicero.

247 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:49:29pm

re: #204 WindUpBird

Fox and Friends!

That show is unwatchably stupid. My only question is, do they have to be coached to act that stupid? Or is it authentic?

It's more that it's fantastical entertainment that borrows heavily from reality. They have all the classic elements of epic entertainment - a monolithic villain, far-reaching conspiracies, everyman heroes. The unfortunate part is that they borrow heavily from reality to make this fantasy, even going so far as to name their villain after the President.

Really, Fox and the Conservative media in general are nothing more than the (il)logical conclusion to WWE.

248 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:49:36pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

GENERIC ANGRY SLOGAN

I like that one a lot.

249 Blizard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:49:58pm

I give up. What was that sign? I've never seen it before either. Maybe that's a good thing?

...All this talk about nuts. To heck with the Tea Party. We need a BEER PARTY!

250 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:50:00pm

re: #236 Obdicut

What do you mean by 'sides'?

I just meant angles, life experiences, areas of expertise. I used 'sides' because that is the accepted manner to discuss politics. It was lazy on my part, I know.

251 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:50:01pm

re: #238 palomino

Have you got a link for that? I would guess it depends on where you are in the North or South.

One demographic fact that contributes is the much higher overall black population in the South, particularly in rural areas. States like MS, SC and others have black populations of 30% or more. You don't find rates that high in other parts of the country, so what may look like more segregation in the North could in fact be a result of demographics, not policy.

erm.
Not just rural areas.
In many southern states, the demographics are pretty evenly spread throughout the state, whether rural or urban.

But I agree that what may look like more segregation in some areas of the country is a result of demographics, not policy.

And his post did include a link, you included his link in your response.

252 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

GENERIC ANGRY SLOGAN

LOL.
Infiltrator or no?
Hard to tell with that generic angry slogan.

253 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

This is a tough one: Infiltrator or not?

I'm guessing not.

Good grief, what a moron. how histrionic the movement is! They act like minor legislative bills are the same thing as totalitarianism. They can't tell the difference between Hitler & Stalin. They feel a democratic election is the same thing as a dictatorship. The main belief seems to be that democrats are bad. These people weren't protesting when Bush was in office and the goals they have seem to revolve around destroying socialism for everyone else, but keeping their own.

254 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:51:10pm

re: #224 Stonemason You are on safe ground IMO.

The Tu Quoque as a logical fallacy accusation is overused here. It is only a logical fallacy if it is used to dismiss or excuse a charge of bad behavior (e.g. You did it first do you can't criticize...)

If it is simply pointing out that both parties are guilty of bad behavior without seeking to make it an excuse (e.g. there are no innocent parties here so please don't claim moral superiority) it is a legitimate useage of To Quoque and not a fallacy.

255 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:51:23pm

re: #224 Stonemason

I am NOT saying that the tea party movement is excused because the left fringe is nuts too, I am saying that they are both nuts.

Sure, they're both nuts. But the left wing nuts are impotent by comparison.

Not only do they have far less pull in the Dem party, but they are far less likely to promote a Second American Revolution or Second Civil War or some other violent armed conflict as the answer to being out of power.

256 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:51:34pm

re: #243 Stonemason

I am on board with that. It would be nice to be able to make that a workable situation but humans are not like that, are we?

Sure we are. There are plenty of examples of people who understood this, and time periods where people acted with more respect for ideas outside their own ideology. The Enlightenment in general, and Hamilton/Jefferson are good examples.

We tend to need groups, we need to belong, hence, party affiliation and the whole 'mine is better than yours' stuff (think religion as well).

That doesn't mean we have to be slaves to that one aspect of our nature. You could use that same logic to 'prove' that nations are impossible because people will always be aligned along smaller lines.

When I say 'middle' I don't mean mush, or cobbled together, I mean that I support some of the 'planks' of Dem. Rep. and Lib. parties, and for sure, not all of the planks of any one party.

I don't think there's anyone that's not true of, though, so it doesn't seem that useful a category.

257 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:51:54pm

I see the knee-jerk Reagan idolatry is still strong here.

re: #239 Rightwingconspirator

Can you name a single Republican President you liked in the last 100 years?

Actually, yes. Eisenhower. He was dead-on in his last speech, he was honest, and he couldn't be elected dogcatcher in today's GOP.

258 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:52:17pm

re: #233 Joo-LiZ

INCREDIBLY powerful 60 minutes segment about the Nazi Archive that is being made public. 16 miles worth of records on over 17 million prisoners who went through the concentration camp system.

Worth watching.

Includes segments with 3 different holocaust survivors, where they show each one their documentation. If watching these interviews doesn't move you... I don't know what would.

I'd like to see some Holocaust Deniers given a tour of this. These are the Germans own records.

259 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:52:44pm

dinner time...

260 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:53:06pm

re: #258 Joo-LiZ

Sadly, deniers will simply say they fabricated those records to get lesser punishment and curry favor with the allies.

Deniers don't care about proof or logic. They care about hating and fearing Jews.

261 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:53:19pm
262 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:53:27pm

Texans - they want to secede, no?

Texas firm faulted for hostile workplace

A federal commission has ruled at least 100 African-Americans were subjected to a hostile work environment at Turner Industries in Paris, Texas.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission said in its March 31 findings the black workers at the oil pipeline products manufacturer were exposed to racial graffiti, nooses and symbols of hate, WFAA-TV, Dallas/Fort Worth, reported.

"You have African-Americans who've complained, who have been terminated, and you have whites who have stood up for the African-Americans who have been terminated," plaintiffs' attorney Sara Kane said at a news conference Wednesday outside the federal courthouse in Dallas where plaintiffs, their lawyers, the NAACP and local civil rights leaders applauded the commission's findings.

Another lawyer for the plaintiffs, Jay Ellwanger, said the workers' plight worsened after Barack Obama was elected the nation's first black president in 2008.

263 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:54:13pm

re: #238 palomino

Have you got a link for that? I would guess it depends on where you are in the North or South.

One demographic fact that contributes is the much higher overall black population in the South, particularly in rural areas. States like MS, SC and others have black populations of 30% or more. You don't find rates that high in other parts of the country, so what may look like more segregation in the North could in fact be a result of demographics, not policy.


Yup - the Italian neighborhoods have a hard time getting enough Irish kids enrolled in public schools. //

264 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:54:24pm

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

265 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:54:38pm

re: #262 freetoken

Putting up a noose is such a cowardly form of intimidation.

266 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:55:20pm

The infiltrators are not too subtle when they all hang out together.

White People Are Pissed.

267 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:55:20pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

I see the knee-jerk Reagan idolatry is still strong here.


Actually, yes. Eisenhower. He was dead-on in his last speech, he was honest, and he couldn't be elected dogcatcher in today's GOP.

Well, I maintain that Reagan was an excellent president. Ike was superb, though, but you're right about him. Actually, I doubt he could be elect by either party today. Possibly no general could. They tend to have to be non-ideological, and that's a no-sale for the political bases nowadays.

268 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:55:54pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

Idolatry? Oh for heavens sake. I respect his numerous successes. You posted an uncalled for insult, IMO.

Oh, and I really feel the same respect for Eisenhower, Kennedy & Bush41

269 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:56:04pm

re: #264 b_sharp

Polenta-- with whatever flavors she likes in it.

I like putting a little prosciutto, Romano cheese, and shallots.

That's an ultimate comfort food, hard to fuck up. You can even get it preprepared or practically instant.

270 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:57:37pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

Isn't anesthesia a possible appetite suppressant? I could be wrong, but just in case, I'd make it something light that she really likes.

271 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:57:56pm

re: #264 b_sharp

Make a risotto.

Risotto is seriously simple, and can be made from basically what's in almost any fridge. It can also include basically any flavour she likes, it's warm, it sticks to your ribs, and it has the benefit of not looking instant or prepackaged so it looks like you made an effort when it was actually easy as anything.

272 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:57:58pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

You can never go wrong with soup. Buy a high-end one: this is not the time for you to get creative.

And have ice cream handy.

Good luck.

273 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:58:39pm

re: #268 Rightwingconspirator

I'm not saying anything about you RWC, but I think its funny, that the last Dem president most righties like is the last one before Civil Rights :p

/also Cato is right. Reagan in no way deserves his reputation. Why people don't get upset over Iran/Contra, I'll never understand.

274 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:58:43pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

First off, if she's a coffee drinker, make sure you or whoever picks her up brings a nice hot cuppa her favorite brew, extra large.

She won't have had any since last night, and they may not offer it in the recovery room.

Studies have shown that a lot of post-op pain in coffee drinkers is due to withdrawal headaches. Some savvy hospitals know this and offer you a cup when you wake up. Most don't.

I'm the world's worst cook, so I'll leave food advice to others, except to say that soup is always a good idea.

Best wishes to you both!

275 avanti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:58:55pm

re: #253 beekiller

Good grief, what a moron. how histrionic the movement is! They act like minor legislative bills are the same thing as totalitarianism. They can't tell the difference between Hitler & Stalin. They feel a democratic election is the same thing as a dictatorship. The main belief seems to be that democrats are bad. These people weren't protesting when Bush was in office and the goals they have seem to revolve around destroying socialism for everyone else, but keeping their own.

97% of those polled by Fox news think that taxing the rich at a higher rate is wrong. I really wonder if they'd change their mind when their taxes went up 4-5 times to get rid of the progressive tax.

276 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:58:56pm

re: #271 Renaissance_Man

Not everyone finds risotto easy. In fact, a lot of people find it very hard.

277 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:59:16pm

re: #264 b_sharp

Hi b_sharp. First thing to do is check with her doctor - to see if there are things she should, or should not, have. Once you've got that down, check with your wife to see what might taste good to her and go from there. (And, yeah, there are times when ready-to-go stuff actually makes sense - if you aren't all that handy in the kitchen.)

;-)

278 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:59:40pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

The infiltrators are not too subtle when they all hang out together.

White People Are Pissed.

Yeah, most of them are pretty funny too. It's easy to tell the "infiltrators" from the real thing. They're just goofing on the idiots.

279 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:59:56pm

re: #251 reine.de.tout

erm.
Not just rural areas.
In many southern states, the demographics are pretty evenly spread throughout the state, whether rural or urban.

But I agree that what may look like more segregation in some areas of the country is a result of demographics, not policy.

And his post did include a link, you included his link in your response.

Did you check out that link? Doesn't really seem to say much about rates of integration.

The point I was making about demographics is that rural areas in the South have significantly higher black populations than in the rural North. Metro Atlanta and NYC may have roughly comparable black populations, but rural GA and rural NY state do not. A difference which MAY lead to an appearance of segregation in the North that is unfounded.

280 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:00:36pm

re: #278 Killgore Trout

I'm waiting for "I Shaved My Balls For This?" guy to show up.

Image: i_shaved_my_balls.jpg

281 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:00:47pm

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Yeah, most of them are pretty funny too. It's easy to tell the "infiltrators" from the real thing. They're just goofing on the idiots.

Priceless.

I love those kids.

282 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:00:51pm

re: #264 b_sharp
Everyone is different, but if she had a general anesthetic, you may very well be dealing with some nausea. Lay in some ginger ale ( the real kind, this is not the time to go generic), and ginger tea is good to keep around for that. If there's no nausea, give her her favorite foods.

283 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:00:54pm

re: #268 Rightwingconspirator

Idolatry? Oh for heavens sake. I respect his numerous successes. You posted an uncalled for insult, IMO.

Oh, and I really feel the same respect for Eisenhower, Kennedy & Bush41

As you may have noticed, I am not afraid of insulting presidents.

Reagan was a poisonous, lying, lawbreaking, Iran-Contra sucking toad who had a few good moments.

284 Blizard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:00:58pm

re: #264 b_sharp

I'm not a doctor, but judging from the sound of it, she might not even be in the mood to eat. Or, the pain killers would prevent her from keeping a lot of it down. Pick up some popsicles for her, just in case. Otherwise, keep it simple, not too flavorful/chunky. No red meat as that's pretty taxing on the body to digest. Yogurts, soups, that kind of thing. Good luck!

285 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:01:31pm

re: #280 Obdicut

would be better if it were the lady carrying the 'balls' poster, and the guy carrying the 'crystal pepsi'.

286 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:01:36pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

Stay away from anything rich or heavy until she feels a little better. Broths, fruits, perhaps a light salad.

287 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:01:36pm

re: #255 palomino

Sure, they're both nuts. But the left wing nuts are impotent by comparison.

Not only do they have far less pull in the Dem party, but they are far less likely to promote a Second American Revolution or Second Civil War or some other violent armed conflict as the answer to being out of power.


I'd hate to be defending the position that people who bombed Millitary recruiting offices are more or less dangerous than people who bombed abortion clinics. If we are talking the rhetoric of politicians "dangerous" is probably hyperbole unless they are really acting on their nuttiness.

288 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:02:39pm
289 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:02:56pm

re: #280 Obdicut

I'm waiting for "I Shaved My Balls For This?" guy to show up.

Image: i_shaved_my_balls.jpg

Ha!

290 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:03:01pm

re: #287 DaddyG

Whose bombed recruiting offices in say the last 40 years? Is there a news story I missed?

291 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:03:23pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.


Chicken broth with instant rice (make it as soupy as she wants it).

If she can stand smells a cheese and craker plate with some sliced fruit is always a quick fix.

292 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:03:49pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

Well best wishes and a speedy recovery for your wife!
If it were me.. I'd go to the store and get a snack tray of different veggies and fruit she can snack on with tasty dips for her..
Then buy a can of the most expensive chicken noodle soup you can find...
And a half lb. of smoked turkey just in case she just wants a sammish..
She may be hungry..But she won't be eating a lot tonight..So light snacks when while she keeps waking up and is hungry...You don't eat much when you are in pain..( Don't forget the ice cream dude)
Kind Regards

293 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:03:51pm

re: #287 DaddyG
Well, really... how dangerous can a left-wing bomber actually be?
They end up teaching at universities, and hosting meetings to organize political campaigns.//

294 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:04:32pm

re: #293 tradewind

Well, really... how dangerous can a left-wing bomber actually be?
They end up teaching at universities, and hosting meetings to organize political campaigns.//

And they're not even real Indians!
/

295 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:04:44pm

re: #293 tradewind

Seriously I wish you guys would try to bring up controversies that weren't decades older than GWB's cocaine problem >>

296 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:05:09pm

re: #287 DaddyG

Being opposed to military service isn't exactly reserved for the 'left'. The Paulians are very anti-military. In addition, anarchists are very anti-military recruiting, too.

You're talking about the New York incident, right? Did they ever catch a guy for that?

297 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:05:34pm

re: #290 windsagio

There was one in New York, that I can recall.

298 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:05:49pm

re: #297 Obdicut

Thanks man, I'll look it up :D

299 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:05:52pm

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Yeah, most of them are pretty funny too. It's easy to tell the "infiltrators" from the real thing. They're just goofing on the idiots.


Protest Warrior was always good for laughs. I enjoy a good spoof- even against my own pet causes.

People with a sense of humor are rarely dangerous. I worry more about the Tea Parties who are taking this as a serious threat.

300 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:06:02pm

re: #292 HoosierHoops

Thanks for making me really hungry, Hoops.

301 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:06:24pm

re: #295 windsagio
At least ours are documented. Crack pipe pot theories are just that. The guy sowed enough wild oats without padding his resume.

302 charlz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:06:27pm

re: #264 b_sharp

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd?

Ginger ale and ritz crackers to start with. Chicken soup and jello if she's up to it. And Little Debbie's chocolate cupcakes!

304 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:07:13pm

re: #290 windsagio

Whose bombed recruiting offices in say the last 40 years? Is there a news story I missed?

You must have missed this.

305 Elizabeth  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:07:27pm

re: #264 b_sharp

Plain crackers, ginger ale, broth. And if she is actually in the mood for something substantial just run out and get whatever the healing woman wants.

I woke up from back surgery to my loving family holding my favorite cheeseburger with onions and heaps of horseradish. Um, no. Any other time yes!

306 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:07:32pm

re: #299 DaddyG

Protest Warrior was always good for laughs. I enjoy a good spoof- even against my own pet causes.

People with a sense of humor are rarely dangerous. I worry more about the Tea Parties who are taking this as a serious threat.

That's right. I forgot all about Protest Warrior. Wingnuts didn't complain about infiltrating rallies back then.

307 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:07:44pm

re: #294 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Don't you just know that Winston is rolling in his grave at the thought of sharing a surname.

308 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:07:56pm

re: #301 tradewind

lol swish!

PS: We know the NYC guy was a lib'rul, afterall, he was riding a bicycle!

309 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:08:17pm

re: #302 charlz

Ginger ale and ritz crackers to start with. Chicken soup and jello if she's up to it. And Little Debbie's chocolate cupcakes!

Perhaps a lobster bisque, some goose pate and cheeses, followed up with a sampling of various shellfish, a fresh Maine lobster with drawn butter, with a sherbert for dessert.

310 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:08:17pm

re: #287 DaddyG

I'd hate to be defending the position that people who bombed Millitary recruiting offices are more or less dangerous than people who bombed abortion clinics. If we are talking the rhetoric of politicians "dangerous" is probably hyperbole unless they are really acting on their nuttiness.


Were the people involved in bombing the recruiting offices members of left-wing organizations that casually toss around rhetoric of second civil wars or other armed conflicts based on cultural resentment?

The politicians currently hyping this are all over the GOP. This level of mainstream involvement hasn't existed in the Dem party for quite some time.

311 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:08:38pm

re: #304 DaddyG

yeah found it now. Never had any real organization tied to it I notice, just some letters sent from hollywood, and sent to Democratic politicians.

312 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:09:47pm

Okay...I finally achieved a 2:1 karma: post ratio...I've been flirting with that ratio for about a thousand comments now, but today, it happened (note: this post will screw that up, of course...but at least I can stop checking).

313 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:09:57pm

re: #308 windsagio
I have no idea what you're talking about..... try another post?

314 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:10:16pm

The point of this whole thing is its the same ol' crap that always comes up (specific term avoided because it makes people pissy).

Claiming that some leftist organization did it too, either now or 50 years ago doesn't change a damn thing about how crazy and/or dangerous these teabag people are.

315 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:10:16pm

Probably not an infiltrator Wallet Rape

316 kirkspencer  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:10:18pm

re: #264 b_sharp

Odd though it may sound, a light sandwich may hit the spot for her. Depending on her preference, peanut butter and jelly (or honey) OR grilled cheese. Add a favorite soup and a small dish of ice cream to finish.

317 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:10:21pm

re: #310 palomino

There's no reason to think the recruitment center bombing came from someone on the 'left', rather than from an anarchist or an isolationist or what have you.

In addition:

ccording to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[10] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.

41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings.

How many bombings of recruitment centers have there been since 1977?

318 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:10:36pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps a lobster bisque, some goose pate and cheeses, followed up with a sampling of various shellfish, a fresh Maine lobster with drawn butter, with a sherbert for dessert.

LOL! Oh, and don't forget the bucket and damp towel.

319 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:10:59pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps a lobster bisque, some goose pate and cheeses, followed up with a sampling of various shellfish, a fresh Maine lobster with drawn butter, with a sherbert for dessert.

Was that on wheat? Did you say mayo?

320 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:11:01pm

re: #313 tradewind

It ruins a joke if you have to explain it.

321 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:11:20pm

re: #312 darthstar

Damn, not even close. I need to quit talking about Israel.

322 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:11:25pm

re: #262 freetoken

Texans - they want to secede, no?

Texas firm faulted for hostile workplace

Nooses?! Whoever put those up should have been arrested. That qualifies as a death threat.

323 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:11:42pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh hell to the no! Go with the additives and food coloring any day.... (thinking ritz crackers and jello.....)
:)

324 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:11:55pm

re: #318 subsailor68

Lobster season has just barely started-- I say the taste doesn't reach a peak until July for Maine lobsters.

325 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:12:01pm

re: #317 Obdicut

Its sad that they try for the false equivalence and they still get proven wrong >>

326 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:12:15pm

re: #279 palomino

Did you check out that link? Doesn't really seem to say much about rates of integration.

The point I was making about demographics is that rural areas in the South have significantly higher black populations than in the rural North. Metro Atlanta and NYC may have roughly comparable black populations, but rural GA and rural NY state do not. A difference which MAY lead to an appearance of segregation in the North that is unfounded.

I agreed with that point.

327 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:12:29pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

If you don't have enough ideas, mac and cheese is usually a good comfort food (and sick food). Velvetta, not the nasty Blue Box stuff. Easy for you, boil water, add macaroni, cheese, Viola!

And whatever you do, make sure there's some chocolate handy.

328 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:12:29pm

re: #273 windsagio

Johnson did the right thing with civil right for minorities. The Vietnamese, well not so much. His temper and personal animus for his esteemed opponents was unrivaled apart from Nixon.

And IMO, Iran Contra is not the end all be all for judging that president. That would be a deliberate oversimplification.

329 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:12:49pm

Ok, one last pic. Infiltrator or not this is a damn cute sign

330 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:12:53pm

re: #320 windsagio
That must be your general working theory....

331 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:13:05pm

re: #300 Obdicut

Thanks for making me really hungry, Hoops.

I start Conference calls at 8pm tonight...
I'm having Blackened Chicken Fettuccine in a monster creamy sauce and a Chef Salad with a rasberry vingerette..
If you are going to work at night you need to spoil yourself..
/Now..Are you hungry?

332 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:13:26pm

re: #325 windsagio

Its sad that they try for the false equivalence and they still get proven wrong >>

Walter (or is it Steve?) mode:

boring.

333 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:13:42pm

re: #296 Obdicut

Being opposed to military service isn't exactly reserved for the 'left'. The Paulians are very anti-military. In addition, anarchists are very anti-military recruiting, too.

You're talking about the New York incident, right? Did they ever catch a guy for that?


You make my point. Dangerous isn't reserved to the left or right. When one side of the political spectrum starts to believe that they are less prone to dangerous levels of rhetoric or "teh crazy" than the other side they are kidding themselves.

The habit of LGFers of all stripes to try and pin the crazy label on their opponents while excusing their ideological allies is bad mojo and blind to the reality of the full spectrum of behavior.

The statement "the left is more harmful than the right" or "the right is more radical than the left ever was" is not only lacking in objectivity it also smacks of a blind spot on the part of the person arguing the point.

BTW- I guess the bomber in NY couldn't be a True Scotsman since they didn't catch him. Of course the Code Pink pretests had nothing to do with any imbalanced nut going violent either. /

334 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:13:47pm

re: #327 marjoriemoon
Velveeta?
Are you trying to send the poor woman back to the hospital?
:)

335 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:14:00pm

If the wingnuts were real revolutionaries and could understand any language but Teabonics, I'd recommend a little French ditty to them:

Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira,
Le peuple en ce jour sans cesse repète:
Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira,
Malgré les mutins tout réussira!

The example I've chosen for them has an explanation translated into German, Polish, and one of the Scandinavian languages, just in case. ;^)

336 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:14:04pm

re: #324 Obdicut

Lobster season has just barely started-- I say the taste doesn't reach a peak until July for Maine lobsters.

Oh thanks! Now you've got my salivary gland in overdrive!

(But I'm with ya on waiting until peak season.)

337 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:14:33pm

re: #333 DaddyG
Code Pink is just a liberal candystripers group, organized to cheer up our wounded vets.//

338 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:14:36pm

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

per the first yeah, I almost didn't post it because of hte limitations, it was just a random thought.

The second, also absolutely.

Iran/Contra comes up because it's always crazy that people ignore it. I think he was so/so otherwise. His economic policies were the first major step in getting us here, and he gets waaaay too much credit for Gorbachev's foresight and courage.


I mean Reagan isn't a Nixon or a Carter (or a Grant or a Hoover), but he's below average at best.

339 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:14:42pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Here's a nice twist: A probable infiltrator with a sing that has been actually used at Tea Parties before


Heh. Not showing up at a Tea Party rally would help go a long way to avoiding the Tea Bagger label.

340 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:14:50pm

re: #207 tradewind

Schools in the North tend to be far more segregated than those in the South.
(Nice site, btw. Never would have learned about the Blue Star Energy Drink Party without it)!
[Link: www.southernpoliticalreport.com...]

Do you have an actual link on southern vs. northern school integration? The link above is to an interesting article about Dems eating their own, but doesn't really say anything about integration rates.

It may just be that southern schools appear more integrated because there is a higher proportion of blacks in the south.

341 Blizard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:15:37pm

re: #334 tradewind

Velveeta?
Are you trying to send the poor woman back to the hospital?
:)


Easy to digest. It's what I requested after my shoulder surgery. Velveeta mac and cheese! It's the only way!

342 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:15:39pm

re: #331 HoosierHoops

I am, but I know waiting for me at home are ultra-slow-cooked carnitas and some delicious Roma cabbage slaw, so it's pleasant torture.

Oh, and salty caramel ice cream for dessert.

My fiancée is off visiting NYU for a second look right now, so until Sunday I get to eat man-style. Not that she doesn't enjoy a good steak, but you know what I mean.

343 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:15:40pm

re: #332 Stanley Sea

Walter never calls me boring anymore :p


YOU MUST BE ACCURATE!


/point taken tho', at least I think ;)

344 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:16:14pm

re: #338 windsagio

pimf:

"because of the implications"

What the crap are limitations in that context?

345 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:16:26pm

re: #293 tradewind

Well, really... how dangerous can a left-wing bomber actually be?
They end up teaching at universities, and hosting meetings to organize political campaigns.//

hahahaha that was so funny I fell off my dinosaur

346 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:16:51pm

re: #310 palomino

Were the people involved in bombing the recruiting offices members of left-wing organizations that casually toss around rhetoric of second civil wars or other armed conflicts based on cultural resentment?

The politicians currently hyping this are all over the GOP. This level of mainstream involvement hasn't existed in the Dem party for quite some time.


Sigh. When the next civil war starts I'll eat my share of crow.

I defend no nuts. I also don't claim my political affiliations are better about weeding out nuts than anyone else's (except perhaps the Libertarians /)

347 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:17:22pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

Order out tonight... ;-)

348 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:18:02pm

re: #338 windsagio
Historians disagree with you, ranking Reagan at number ten. Huffington post, btw, before you get huffy about the link or the source....
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

349 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:18:22pm

re: #330 tradewind

Just because I love you, I'll ruin the joke :D

Only brought up the cocaine thing because it's also obsolete and meaningless, and I remember back in 2000/2004 hearing alot of 'that was the past, why bring that up?'

The postscript was a joke about people assuming that the bomber in times square had to be a lefty. No conservative would ride a bike, right?

350 Virginia Plain  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:18:30pm

re: #347 talon_262

Soup today, then soft foods tomorrow.

351 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:18:44pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Anyone wanna play "Name that flag?"

"Veterans Exempt" flag

Here is a description, written in Tea Party Engrish:

VETERANS' EXEMPT FLAG

(VETERANS EXEMPT FROM TAXES)

THE FIRST AND THE LAST VETERANS' RIGHTS FLAG, A PIECE A VERY OBSCURRED AND BURRIED U.S. HISTORY THAT OUR CONGRESS DOES NOT LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. A NEAR ARMED REBELLION AGAINST THE BRAN NEW CONGRESS AND SENATE OVER THE TAXATION AND MISREPRESENTATION BY THE USE OF TAXATION WITH OUT REPRESENTATION OF GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON'S VETERANS OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. THE VERY THING WASHINGTON'S ARMY FOUGHT AGAINST ENGLAND FOR OUR NEW CONGRESS AND SENATE WERE DOING THE SAME THING TO THE CITIZENS OF WASHINGTON'S ARMY VETERANS.

APARENTLY THE NEW CONGRESS WAS TARGETING WASHINTON'S ARMY VETERANS FOR THEIR TAXES TO BE PAID UP IN GOLD OR GO TO PRISON, AND THEIR LAND WAS TO BE CONFICATED BY THE NEW GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE BILL FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION AFTER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR WAS WAS CATASTROPHIC, AND WASHINGTON'S ARMY WAS THE ONLY GROUP OF CITIZENS AT THE TIME THAT USED A VALID SCRIPT, ALL OTHER CITIZENS AT THE TIME ON THE EASTERN COAST LINE WERE ON THE CLAM SHELL METHOD, AND FURTHER INLAND THE CITIZENS WERE USING THE BARTERING SYSTEM WAS THE REASON THE NEW CONGRESS WAS USING SUCH A HARCH METHOD ON ALL OF WASHINGTON'S VETERANS.

SO WASHINGTON QUELLED THE REBELLION BY ASKING HIS ARMY TO SUPPORT HIM WITH THE VOTES TO GET HIM INTO OFFICE AS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, SO HE COULD CORRECT THIS PROBLEM FOR THE VETERANS OF HIS ARMY BY COMMING UP WITH A VALID MONITARY SCRIPT THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE THE ENGLISH POUND OR THE SPANISH GOLD DOUBLOON SYSTEM, SO THE DOLLARS AND CENTS SYSTEM WAS DEVISED TO MAKE OUR TAXATION SYSTEM MORE FAIR TO EVERYONE.

352 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:19:22pm

re: #333 DaddyG

You make my point. Dangerous isn't reserved to the left or right. When one side of the political spectrum starts to believe that they are less prone to dangerous levels of rhetoric or "teh crazy" than the other side they are kidding themselves.

Do get that I don't think there are 'sides' to the 'spectrum', because I don't think there is a spectrum-- I think it's a useful conceit for those running for political office, but that it beggars ideas of real evaluation?


The statement "the left is more harmful than the right" or "the right is more radical than the left ever was" is not only lacking in objectivity it also smacks of a blind spot on the part of the person arguing the point.

The GOP is embracing radical behavior to a degree the Democrats never did. I don't care about 'left' and 'right' in this scenario.

BTW- I guess the bomber in NY couldn't be a True Scotsman since they didn't catch him. Of course the Code Pink pretests had nothing to do with any imbalanced nut going violent either. /


Ah, Code Pink. A group I've never heard anyone on the 'left' mention.

That's a complete misuse of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, by the way. If I had said "No real liberal would have bombed it", that'd be a 'no true Scotsman'. I'm saying that, given there are several groups that hate the military, assuming which one it was is foolish.

353 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:19:39pm

re: #345 WindUpBird
I just knew you drove a Saab.

354 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:20:26pm

re: #334 tradewind

Velveeta?
Are you trying to send the poor woman back to the hospital?
:)

The elites in Napa used to always talk about the lower class 'hillbillies'
If you need to find Velveeta at their store you need to go to the Gourmet section.

355 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:20:43pm

re: #317 Obdicut

There's no reason to think the recruitment center bombing came from someone on the 'left', rather than from an anarchist or an isolationist or what have you.

In addition:

41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings.

How many bombings of recruitment centers have there been since 1977?

Oh, there you go again, using facts and stats to make your non-equivalency argument. How elitist!///////

356 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:20:50pm

re: #333 DaddyG

You must have missed yesterday when we were making fun of people who bring up Code Pink here even though they have no real numbers to speak of and no influence :D

357 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:21:08pm

re: #349 windsagio
Seriously?
A bike is a liberal giveaway?
Learn something new every day. I will now honk with suspicion every time I pass one.//

358 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:21:35pm

Thanks to everyone for the help.
Obdicut
wrenchwench
Renaissance_Man
garhighway
Cato the Elder
subsailor68
tradewind
Blizard
Kragar
DaddyG
HoosierHoops
charlz
TheBirthdayPrincess
If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.

Tonight I'm going to put together a cheese, cracker and veg tray with some chicken soup.

We have ice cream in the freezer as well as ice cubes so if she needs something cold I can blenderize flavoured ice. I'll grab some ginger ale, since she loves the stuff, and we have ginger tea.

I'll grab a coffee for her on the way home if she wants one, otherwise we have Tylenol with caffeine.

Tomorrow I'm going to prepare some cheesy polenta mushroom (the risotto looks more complicated and has alcohol in it). I may end up learning to cook.

359 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:11pm

re: #351 Alouette

Wow, nice google-fu. I never would have found that. Thanks.

360 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:16pm

re: #358 b_sharp

Thanks to everyone for the help.
Obdicut
wrenchwench
Renaissance_Man
garhighway
Cato the Elder
subsailor68
tradewind
Blizard
Kragar
DaddyG
HoosierHoops
charlz
TheBirthdayPrincess
If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.

Tonight I'm going to put together a cheese, cracker and veg tray with some chicken soup.

We have ice cream in the freezer as well as ice cubes so if she needs something cold I can blenderize flavoured ice. I'll grab some ginger ale, since she loves the stuff, and we have ginger tea.

I'll grab a coffee for her on the way home if she wants one, otherwise we have Tylenol with caffeine.

Tomorrow I'm going to prepare some cheesy polenta mushroom (the risotto looks more complicated and has alcohol in it). I may end up learning to cook.

Sounds like a plan.

Best of luck.

361 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:27pm

re: #358 b_sharp
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to her, and good luck to you.

362 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:33pm

re: #343 windsagio

Walter never calls me boring anymore :p

YOU MUST BE ACCURATE!

/point taken tho', at least I think ;)

Nah, I meant the conversation. Same ole same ole.

363 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:45pm

re: #348 tradewind

Surveys are automatically right I know.

Anyways, I feel free to disagree with them ;)

re: #357 tradewind

duuuude! I said I was describing a joke in the post!

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:55pm

re: #353 tradewind

I just knew you drove a Saab.

Please. Saabs are overpriced. I drive Volvos and VWs. Wouldn't mind a Subaru STi, shame their interiors suck.

365 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:22:55pm

re: #264 b_sharp

OK, I admit it, I'm seriously off topic, but I need a little help from people more talented than I am.

My wife is in the hospital getting a pile of parts removed and she'll be home tonight, probably in serious pain. She's likely to be seriously hungry too, since she hasn't had a bite to eat since 9:00pm last night. It's now 2:51pm.

What do I cook for her given I'm a crappy cook, she's hungry, in pain and a little groggy. Any suggestions from the culinary advice crowd? Would soup be a good idea?, Chops, mashed potatoes?

She usually cooks for me, but now the ove glove is on the other foot.

Pick up the phone.
Ask her what she thinks she might like to have.
Fix it/Order it/Find it anyway you can.
And that will be very very nice. I'm enjoying reading this post and previous ones, showing just how concerned you are for her comfort.

366 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:23:13pm

re: #358 b_sharp

Cooking is addictive fun!

367 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:23:26pm

re: #362 Stanley Sea

Oh yeah, duh.

I'm getting my needs met tho', in the most deeply dysfunctional way possible :D

368 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:24:05pm

re: #363 windsagio
Dude: Mind the //s!

369 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:24:37pm

re: #368 tradewind

Pff, slanted crutches.

370 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:24:49pm

re: #349 windsagio

No conservative would ride a bike, right?

Unless he's a jehova's witness.

371 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:24:50pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps a lobster bisque, some goose pate and cheeses, followed up with a sampling of various shellfish, a fresh Maine lobster with drawn butter, with a sherbert for dessert.

That I'll save for next week.

372 Elizabeth  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:25:30pm

And don't stop cooking when she's well, b_sharp. It is nice to get a break sometimes. :-) Baked fish in olive oil is simple and good.

373 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:26:00pm

re: #364 WindUpBird
Since Volvo has just been bought by the ChiComs, it should be interesting.

374 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #356 WindUpBird

You must have missed yesterday when we were making fun of people who bring up Code Pink here even though they have no real numbers to speak of and no influence :D

Yeah, but you know, they really are seriously whacked out strange.
*Reine runs away before getting hit*

375 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:26:17pm

re: #358 b_sharp

The alcohol all cooks off in about five minutes.

376 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:26:52pm

re: #316 kirkspencer

Odd though it may sound, a light sandwich may hit the spot for her. Depending on her preference, peanut butter and jelly (or honey) OR grilled cheese. Add a favorite soup and a small dish of ice cream to finish.

Thanks.
That she'll get in a few days.

377 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:27:32pm

re: #346 DaddyG

Sigh. When the next civil war starts I'll eat my share of crow.

I defend no nuts. I also don't claim my political affiliations are better about weeding out nuts than anyone else's (except perhaps the Libertarians /)

If this were the late 60s-mid 70s, the roles would be reversed. Conservatives could make a strong and credible argument that the majority of threats of political violence were coming from the left (at least after the bloodiest days of the civil rights battle). Weather Underground, SLA, Black Panthers, and many others.

I have no illusion that this will always be the case. We may find in a few years that the left again uses implicit violence as a form of political communication.

378 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:27:32pm

re: #372 TheBirthdayPrincess

Fish-in-a-bag (individual pieces wrapped up in parchment paper with a few veggies apiece, a little oil, a twist of saffron) is one of my favorite easy dishes. Use a light white-fleshed fish that isn't overly fish-tasting.


And one thing I'm going to miss from the Bay Area:


Sand Dabs.

God they're good. Just fry them and crunch 'em up.

379 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:28:10pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

so you're coming from a different place than me, don't you get tired of the same ol' boogymen being brought up in every single discussion no matter what?

Examples:
Code Pink
GWB
Ayers
Byrd

380 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:28:10pm

re: #327 marjoriemoon

If you don't have enough ideas, mac and cheese is usually a good comfort food (and sick food). Velvetta, not the nasty Blue Box stuff. Easy for you, boil water, add macaroni, cheese, Viola!

And whatever you do, make sure there's some chocolate handy.

Thank you.

I just about forgot the chocolate.

I did forget about the chocolate.

381 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:28:12pm

re: #352 Obdicut
From the standpoint of the GOP is trying to mainstream their radicals unlike the Dems who tended to keep them at arms distance I can agree.

I doubt that will make the radicals trying to co-opt the GOP any more successful, rather it will take the GOP down if they fail to disavow them.

What rankles me is when someone claims their side is free of idiocy while decrying the other guys as corrupt and dangerous. The Dems have chosen to keep their skeletons in the closet (or academia in some cases) but that doesn't mean they don't have them or that they don't have influence.

Also- anyone arguing that todays political arena is dirtier or more dangerous than (fill in your favorite political era) missed out on cane fights in confress, anarchists bombing New York, succession (the real one), the Chicago Democratic convention and a few other choice tidbits in our history.

382 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:28:19pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

Code Pink are so strange that the bike messengers in San Francisco make fun of them, and bike messengers are weird on purpose.

383 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:28:27pm

Steven Seagal's show Lawmen suspended until further notice.

384 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:29:05pm

re: #331 HoosierHoops

I start Conference calls at 8pm tonight...
I'm having Blackened Chicken Fettuccine in a monster creamy sauce and a Chef Salad with a rasberry vingerette..
If you are going to work at night you need to spoil yourself..
/Now..Are you hungry?

I'm sure bloody hungry now.

385 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:29:11pm

re: #358 b_sharp
Good for you. One more tip. Be prepared to put anything you fix in the fridge for the next day!

386 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:29:15pm

re: #366 Obdicut

Cooking is addictive fun!

I've posted my legendary fish dish here...Where I lightly cook fillets in a mixture of white wine and heavy cream then place some different cheeses between the fish fillets then wrapped in foil and bake them for 20 minutes..Remove them and pour the remaining sauce over the fish and garnish...Weeee!

387 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:01pm

totally OT: I've gotta be sure to be on here during Obama's NASA speech tomorrow (I loooove arguing about NASA!) anybody know what time its gonna be?

Its more fun to ask than to look it up :D

388 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #373 tradewind

Since Volvo has just been bought by the ChiComs, it should be interesting.

Mine's a 1996 850R, from before Ford bought them 8-) I'm curious to see what Geely does with the brand, but I'm not really interested in new Volvos, just the classics that were touched by Jan Wilsgaard.

389 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:11pm

re: #334 tradewind

Velveeta?
Are you trying to send the poor woman back to the hospital?
:)

Up here in the frozen north we use cheddar in our mac-n-cheese.

390 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:15pm

re: #381 DaddyG

From the standpoint of the GOP is trying to mainstream their radicals unlike the Dems who tended to keep them at arms distance I can agree.

I doubt that will make the radicals trying to co-opt the GOP any more successful, rather it will take the GOP down if they fail to disavow them.

What rankles me is when someone claims their side is free of idiocy while decrying the other guys as corrupt and dangerous. The Dems have chosen to keep their skeletons in the closet (or academia in some cases) but that doesn't mean they don't have them or that they don't have influence.

Also- anyone arguing that todays political arena is dirtier or more dangerous than (fill in your favorite political era) missed out on cane fights in confress, anarchists bombing New York, succession (the real one), the Chicago Democratic convention and a few other choice tidbits in our history.

And Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church... don't forget Fred...

391 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:24pm

re: #378 Obdicut

Fish-in-a-bag (individual pieces wrapped up in parchment paper with a few veggies apiece, a little oil, a twist of saffron) is one of my favorite easy dishes. Use a light white-fleshed fish that isn't overly fish-tasting.


And one thing I'm going to miss from the Bay Area:


Sand Dabs.

God they're good. Just fry them and crunch 'em up.

Made some firecracker shrimp last week. one shrimp, creamcheese filling, wrapped in a mint lead and stick it all in a wonton, fry them up in some oil and voila, firecracker shrimp.

392 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:33pm

re: #387 windsagio

totally OT: I've gotta be sure to be on here during Obama's NASA speech tomorrow (I looove arguing about NASA!) anybody know what time its gonna be?

Its more fun to ask than to look it up :D

You're not invited.

393 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:52pm

re: #382 Obdicut

Code Pink are so strange that the bike messengers in San Francisco make fun of them, and bike messengers are weird on purpose.

My friend who goes to Burning Man says the bike messengers have an entire camp there :D

394 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:54pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

Lol die.

^---a credible threat

395 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:30:59pm

re: #388 WindUpBird

Mine's a 1996 850R, from before Ford bought them 8-) I'm curious to see what Geely does with the brand, but I'm not really interested in new Volvos, just the classics that were touched by Jan Wilsgaard.

So you're an actual Volvo Driving Liberal?

396 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:31:19pm

re: #387 windsagio

totally OT: I've gotta be sure to be on here during Obama's NASA speech tomorrow (I looove arguing about NASA!) anybody know what time its gonna be?

Its more fun to ask than to look it up :D

I think it's at 2pm EST.

397 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:31:41pm

re: #381 DaddyG

I doubt that will make the radicals trying to co-opt the GOP any more successful, rather it will take the GOP down if they fail to disavow them.

I think that by co-opting them, they will take them down. I think the GOP is already mostly co-opted by the crazies, to the extend you have McCain, who wrote a book declaring himself a maverick, is claiming that he never said it.

What rankles me is when someone claims their side is free of idiocy while decrying the other guys as corrupt and dangerous. The Dems have chosen to keep their skeletons in the closet (or academia in some cases) but that doesn't mean they don't have them or that they don't have influence.

I have no idea what this means, except a blanket accusation that even though there isn't visible parity, there must be parity so the Democrats are hiding things. It also seems like more tiresome reflexive anti-academic posturing, which I am getting really sick of.

Also- anyone arguing that todays political arena is dirtier or more dangerous than (fill in your favorite political era) missed out on cane fights in confress, anarchists bombing New York, succession (the real one), the Chicago Democratic convention and a few other choice tidbits in our history.

Good thing nobody is arguing that, then.

Do you get that I think that abortion clinic violence is more worrisome than military recruitment station bombings on the sheer grounds that abortion clinic violence happens a lot, and recruitment station bombings are incredibly rare?

398 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:31:41pm

re: #396 darthstar

You, sir, are so much nicer than Walter!!!

399 Elizabeth  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:31:51pm

re: #378 Obdicut

Okay, sanddab going on the grocery list along with a new bottle of Indonesian soy sauce. Thank you Obdicut!

400 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:32:18pm

re: #280 Obdicut

I'm waiting for "I Shaved My Balls For This?" guy to show up.

Image: i_shaved_my_balls.jpg

Yeah, but the Bring Back Crystal Pepsi sign was quite rational. I liked it a good bit and was sorry to see it fail.

401 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:32:35pm

re: #398 windsagio

You, sir, are so much nicer than Walter!!!

I think you missed the joke in my statement... carry over from open thread this morning...

402 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:32:36pm

re: #347 talon_262

Order out tonight... ;-)

That was my first thought, but it's usually too salty and garlicky for coming off of surgery.

403 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:32:36pm

re: #377 palomino
Thanks for the historical context. That I agree with. It does cycle and it gets worse for the party out of power.

I am in no way defending the wingnuts- I also don't think the Tea Partiers are the end of the civilized world as we know it. They too will burn themselves out (or teach future University poly sci classes).

404 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #398 windsagio

You, sir, are so much nicer than Walter!!!

I heard something about it on CNN while I was working out at lunch. I could be off on my time...wouldn't hurt to visit the white house web site to confirm.

405 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:33:33pm

re: #379 windsagio

so you're coming from a different place than me, don't you get tired of the same ol' boogymen being brought up in every single discussion no matter what?

Examples:
Code Pink
GWB
Ayers
Byrd

Yes.
Also:
I'm not a fan of unproductive conversation, attention-diverting conversation, including what you mentioned above, including also harping about the morning " wingnut" contingent (who the hell cares who's up and talking about what, when?) - But I do enjoy unproductive humorous banter that doesn't speak too ugly about anyone.

I think that covers my take.

406 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:33:38pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

I'm just being silly :p I presumed it was a joke, 'cuz I know you luv me.

That its a specific joke I'll have to research now :D

407 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:33:52pm

re: #400 Dark_Falcon

Nobody does deadpan better than you, man.

Image: busterKeaton_stoneFace.jpg

Okay, he does. But nobody else.

408 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:33:58pm

re: #402 b_sharp

That was my first thought, but it's usually too salty and garlicky for coming off of surgery.

Are you going to take off the clown suit before she comes home. I suggested this morning that you take it off before she comes home, you'll scare the shit out of her.

409 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:34:29pm

re: #382 Obdicut

Code Pink are so strange that the bike messengers in San Francisco make fun of them, and bike messengers are weird on purpose.

I was trying to sort of make a joke, bringing up Code Pink to irk WUB a bit.
Apparent fail on my part.

410 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:34:34pm

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

And Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church... don't forget Fred...


THanks a lot. I was hoping to forget him... /

411 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:34:34pm

re: #405 reine.de.tout

Well you know how it is, people wanna complain about specific people but don't have the cojones to do it.


...Actually, lets leave this conversation at that >>

412 Slap  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:34:57pm

re: #358 b_sharp

A couple of other things, too -- some flour tortillas and various mild dipping thingys - guacamole, salsa, a bean dip; maybe pita bread and some hummus; GRAPES, GRAPES, GRAPES - mild, cool and easy to chew and swallow. I'd agree on the soup, for sure. I also agree that a full-out meal is probably a ways away -- but small things that can be nibbled are definitely useful, she can eat as little or as much as she wants.

And need I also add, CHOCOLATE?

A nice foot massage might be better than food, y'know....

413 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:35:34pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

Yeah, but you know, they really are seriously whacked out strange.
*Reine runs away before getting hit*

oh, they're strange, but I'm stranger. I hang out with these guys, remember? :D

414 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:35:51pm

re: #409 reine.de.tout

I think WUB is too tired of Code Pink to function rationally :D

415 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:36:03pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

or maybe not!

416 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:36:04pm

re: #406 windsagio

I'm just being silly :p I presumed it was a joke, 'cuz I know you luv me.

That its a specific joke I'll have to research now :D

Some people were debating the fact that the "meeting" tomorrow is by invite only... some people were suggesting that that was in an effort to "pad" the audience with people that support Obama's idea about NASA funding.

See. it's not funny if I have to explain it.

417 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:36:07pm

re: #395 Conservative Moonbat

So you're an actual Volvo Driving Liberal?

Had a friend once who insisted that only college graduates drove Volvos.

Honestly. I have no clue what the heck he meant by that. Except his wife wanted a Volvo, and she was not a college graduate. Maybe he just didn't want to get her a Volvo.

418 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:36:10pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps a lobster bisque, some goose pate and cheeses, followed up with a sampling of various shellfish, a fresh Maine lobster with drawn butter, with a sherbert for dessert.

Does "Sherbert" know you're planning to eat him?

419 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:36:42pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

Having gone to a few cons with WUB (I like the free booze), let me tell you. Those guys in the fursuits? FREAKING OBNOXIOUS!

420 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:37:26pm

re: #409 reine.de.tout

I know, but it doesn't irk WUB, or myself, or anyone else considered to be on the 'left' to say that they're seriously whacked out strange. They are. It is like, I think, what a right-winger ten years ago would think of the Birchers. They'd be able to declare them completely outside the mainstream.

However, the Birchers are no longer outside the mainstream. And Code Pink still is.

421 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:37:29pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

oh, they're strange, but I'm stranger. I hang out with these guys, remember? :D

You're a furrie? My step daughter is a furrie... (am I spelling it right?)

422 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:37:36pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

+for the callback :D

Man I can't wait, I have a ton of opinions on the subject, but I don't wanna get into it now, because I need to go get some lunch, if I cna drag myself away from my computer.

423 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:37:46pm

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

with a Y

424 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:37:48pm

Ludwig would not approve:

Future of energy lies in coal

A high profile international conference yesterday recommended open-pit coal mining for Bangladesh, and urged the government to ease up the bidding and purchasing mechanism in the power sector to encourage private investment.

425 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:38:23pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Please. Saabs are overpriced. I drive Volvos and VWs. Wouldn't mind a Subaru STi, shame their interiors suck.

I've been driving 4x4s and SUVs for the last 20 years. Last month we picked up a Subaru Impreza. Man is that little thing fun to drive on city streets. It can actually corner, something my Grand Cherokee has not been known for.

My next Subaru is going to be the WRX STi. Vroom, vroom.

BTW, I'm 6' tall and I fit in the thing.

426 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:38:57pm

re: #411 windsagio

Well you know how it is, people wanna complain about specific people but don't have the cojones to do it.

...Actually, lets leave this conversation at that >>

Yep.
There are tons of folks here.
There are tons of things (many of the nature I described) where I just scroll on past.
Every now and then I'm not in the best of moods, and overreact and do/say something that is stupid unproductive yelling, but I really honestly try not to do that.

427 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:39:38pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

oh, they're strange, but I'm stranger. I hang out with these guys, remember? :D

Sheesh.
I have a photo of the Roi from a few years ago, he'd fit right in . . .

428 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:39:44pm

re: #412 Slap
A foot massage is nice.. But when you are pain the last thing you want when in pain is people fucking with your feet..Or really any part of your body...
Pills and sleep...And light snacks...Lot's of water or ice..
Just my opinion.. It may save him from getting slugged tonight
/

429 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:39:45pm

re: #425 b_sharp

I've been driving 4x4s and SUVs for the last 20 years. Last month we picked up a Subaru Impreza. Man is that little thing fun to drive on city streets. It can actually corner, something my Grand Cherokee has not been known for.

My next Subaru is going to be the WRX STi. Vroom, vroom.

BTW, I'm 6' tall and I fit in the thing.

If you have an Obama sticker on it, expect to be stopped and harassed by Citizen Teabaggers on orders of Sarah Palin.

430 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:39:53pm

re: #411 windsagio

Well you know how it is, people wanna complain about specific people but don't have the cojones to do it.

...Actually, lets leave this conversation at that >>

I do that all the time. Just can't bring myself to say what I am thinking. Wishy-washy I am.

431 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:39:56pm

re: #395 Conservative Moonbat

So you're an actual Volvo Driving Liberal?

I am a 260Hp screaming fast turbo 5-cyl Volvo driving liberal, yes. :D My daily driver is my 2005 GTI, the other car is the Volvo. I'm hoping to put some money into upgrades soon, wagons are the best sleepers.

432 palomino  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:11pm

re: #381 DaddyG

From the standpoint of the GOP is trying to mainstream their radicals unlike the Dems who tended to keep them at arms distance I can agree.

I doubt that will make the radicals trying to co-opt the GOP any more successful, rather it will take the GOP down if they fail to disavow them.

I hope you're right about the radicals and their attempt to co-opt the GOP.

But if the GOP makes significant gains in Nov., which looks very likely, then the party won't want to risk alienating the extremists who will take credit for the victory. It looks as if things will get worse before they get better.

433 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:16pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Someday if I'm drunk, I'll carry on about The List.

434 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:19pm

re: #383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Steven Seagal's show Lawmen suspended until further notice.

No surprise. He got hit with some pretty serious allegations, and that will usually cause a reality show to be suspended. Especially one that has a cop as its chief subject.

435 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:21pm

Malkin is just beside herself over this blatant racism.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

436 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:24pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

Pick up the phone.
Ask her what she thinks she might like to have.
Fix it/Order it/Find it anyway you can.
And that will be very very nice. I'm enjoying reading this post and previous ones, showing just how concerned you are for her comfort.

I asked her before she went in and she had no idea. I'm just going to assume the general anaesthesia is going to leave her a bit nauseous and give her simple tastes.

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:31pm

re: #409 reine.de.tout

I was trying to sort of make a joke, bringing up Code Pink to irk WUB a bit.
Apparent fail on my part.

You're too nice, i can't be irked by you :D

438 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:40:53pm

re: #366 Obdicut

Cooking is addictive fun!

Hopefully not as addictive as this place.

439 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:41:09pm

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

Pff, I noticed. Altho with you it might be Senile Actors Dementia (SND).

440 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:41:12pm

re: #420 Obdicut

I know, but it doesn't irk WUB, or myself, or anyone else considered to be on the 'left' to say that they're seriously whacked out strange. They are. It is like, I think, what a right-winger ten years ago would think of the Birchers. They'd be able to declare them completely outside the mainstream.

However, the Birchers are no longer outside the mainstream. And Code Pink still is.

I have absolutely no disagreement with that, and was in fact, making that argument earlier with Stonemason (without the specific groups named).

441 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:41:12pm

re: #395 Conservative Moonbat

So you're an actual Volvo Driving Liberal?

I wish. Our division director is still driving her 1986 Volvo wagon. Talk about staying power.

442 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:41:53pm

re: #375 darthstar

The alcohol all cooks off in about five minutes.

I didn't know that. See how simple I can be? :-)

443 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:42:56pm

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

I do that all the time. Just can't bring myself to say what I am thinking. Wishy-washy I am.

You and me both.

444 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:42:58pm

re: #433 windsagio

Someday if I'm drunk, I'll carry on about The List.

eh?
Am I on it?
O golly, you can't tell me something like that and leave it!
I'm terminally curious.

445 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:10pm

re: #439 windsagio

Pff, I noticed. Altho with you it might be Senile Actors Dementia (SND).

Might be... and then it might be because I fucking like to tell jerks just when they can sit on a fucking stick and rotate until it tickles their tonsils... or maybe I'm just a harmless senile.

446 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:12pm

re: #439 windsagio

Pff, I noticed. Altho with you it might be Senile Actors Dementia (SND).

Speaking of dementia, I got the acronym wrong, even tho the real acronym is freakin' awesome!

447 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:14pm

By the way, on the anti-academic subject:

My father worked througout his professional life to build an interdisciplinary medieval studies department at the university he worked at. It was a great department, earning praise from the likes of Seamus Heaney. It took a lot of political battles and a lot of hard work.

Now that he's retiring-- the school is basically ending the program. They're building new parking lots, new sports facilities, and administrators get the use of a car, but they say they can't afford the salary of the single person it'd take to be department head in his absence.

So I'm a little more sensitive to random smears against academics than usual; academics do a fine job of savaging each other without anyone else joining in.

448 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:19pm

re: #432 palomino

I hope you're right about the radicals and their attempt to co-opt the GOP.

But if the GOP makes significant gains in Nov., which looks very likely, then the party won't want to risk alienating the extremists who will take credit for the victory. It looks as if things will get worse before they get better.

I'm afraid you are correct.

449 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:45pm

re: #446 windsagio

Speaking of dementia, I got the acronym wrong, even tho the real acronym is freakin' awesome!

Film Actors Guild?

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:50pm

re: #425 b_sharp

I've been driving 4x4s and SUVs for the last 20 years. Last month we picked up a Subaru Impreza. Man is that little thing fun to drive on city streets. It can actually corner, something my Grand Cherokee has not been known for.

My next Subaru is going to be the WRX STi. Vroom, vroom.

BTW, I'm 6' tall and I fit in the thing.

Subies are great for that, they're sorta tall cars for their size, large people fit in them fine. Same with my VW, my friend who's 6'8", he fit behind the wheel. I pretty much am a fan of teeny little fast cars exclusively, but I don't have much need for a truck or anything that can haul more than the Volvo can. And the STI is nuts, 300HP and 3000lb curb weight, and four doors! I love it. Just get rid of that cop-magnet spoiler, heh.

451 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:43:57pm

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

No surprise. He got hit with some pretty serious allegations, and that will usually cause a reality show to be suspended. Especially one that has a cop as its chief subject.

What allegations?
That was a silly silly show, didn't deserve to be on TV.

452 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:44:10pm

re: #444 reine.de.tout

This is the last post on a subject I shouldn't have mentioned.

No you're not on The List

Also, it must always be in Italics and Caps, to give it its proper respect.

453 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:44:32pm

re: #436 b_sharp

I asked her before she went in and she had no idea. I'm just going to assume the general anaesthesia is going to leave her a bit nauseous and give her simple tastes.

Good idea!
It really has been nice to see how concerned you are for her well-being and comfort. Kudos to you!

454 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

I was more thinking of your ability to say something you totally don't mean, rather than your charming crankiness :D

But seriously I've gotta get some food, before the lunch discounts end.

I love y'all, especially Walter!

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:45:21pm

re: #441 Locker

I wish. Our division director is still driving her 1986 Volvo wagon. Talk about staying power.

There's Volvos from the 60's and 70's around Portland. There's a daily driven 70's 240DL down the street from me. There's a few 1800ESes around town, probably the most beautiful volvo of all time.

456 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:45:54pm

Speaking of militias,...

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged thousands of gun-toting militia troops Tuesday to be ready to fight for his socialist government, telling them that opponents may be plotting to oust or kill him.

Chavez rallied the civilian militia at an outdoor speech while marking the anniversary of a failed 2002 coup against him. Organizers estimated about 35,000 militia members in the crowd, which filled a downtown avenue in Caracas.

The president said his opponents would be defeated if they tried another coup, and he vowed to emerge again with a dominant majority in the National Assembly after September elections.

Without giving details, Chavez told the crowd that he believes some people in Venezuela are conspiring to assassinate him.

"If they were to do it ... you know what you would have to do. Simply take all power in Venezuela, absolutely all, sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution," he said.

He held aloft a sword that once belonged to the 19th century independence hero Simon Bolivar - the inspiration of Chavez's socialist Bolivarian Revolution movement - as he administered an oath to members of the Bolivarian Militia.

Chavez declared April 13 to be the "Day of the Bolivarian Militia," a national day of celebration.

He called the militia, which he created, a key force to help defend the country against any threat, whether foreign or domestic.

"You should be ready to take up the arms you have there at any time and go out to give your lives, if you have to, for the Bolivarian Revolution!" he thundered.

SNIP

457 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:46:34pm

re: #447 Obdicut

By the way, on the anti-academic subject:

My father worked througout his professional life to build an interdisciplinary medieval studies department at the university he worked at. It was a great department, earning praise from the likes of Seamus Heaney. It took a lot of political battles and a lot of hard work.

Now that he's retiring-- the school is basically ending the program. They're building new parking lots, new sports facilities, and administrators get the use of a car, but they say they can't afford the salary of the single person it'd take to be department head in his absence.

So I'm a little more sensitive to random smears against academics than usual; academics do a fine job of savaging each other without anyone else joining in.

Oh, this is awful. Sorry to hear it - a life's work, reduced to a parking lot.

What the heck does the university think it's mission is? They really need to go back and STUDY THEIR MISSION STATEMENT. This sort of thing makes me ill.

458 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:46:40pm

re: #447 Obdicut

By the way, on the anti-academic subject:

My father worked througout his professional life to build an interdisciplinary medieval studies department at the university he worked at. It was a great department, earning praise from the likes of Seamus Heaney. It took a lot of political battles and a lot of hard work.

Now that he's retiring-- the school is basically ending the program. They're building new parking lots, new sports facilities, and administrators get the use of a car, but they say they can't afford the salary of the single person it'd take to be department head in his absence.

So I'm a little more sensitive to random smears against academics than usual; academics do a fine job of savaging each other without anyone else joining in.


Damn, that's awful. :(

459 Locker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:47:01pm

I want one...

Cat brain: A step toward the electronic equivalent

A cat can recognize a face faster and more efficiently than a supercomputer. That's one reason a feline brain is the model for a biologically-inspired computer project involving the University of Michigan.

U-M computer engineer Wei Lu has taken a step toward developing this revolutionary type of machine that could be capable of learning and recognizing, as well as making more complex decisions and performing more tasks simultaneously than conventional computers can.

460 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:47:14pm

re: #456 MandyManners

OK I said I was out, but.

Its an outrage that he's (apparently) urging his people to resist a suspected coup/revolution?

Has anyone mentioned the idea of "CDS" yet?

461 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:47:15pm

Steven Seagal could be looking at some big big trouble. The lawre: #434 Dark_Falcon

No surprise. He got hit with some pretty serious allegations, and that will usually cause a reality show to be suspended. Especially one that has a cop as its chief subject.

Apparently the lawyer representing the girl has been approached by other ex-employees who have reported similar accounts of his behavior, but were scared of supposed legal repurcussions from the "nondisclosure" agreement they had been signed. Any law experts want to chip in on how a business non-disclosure agreement would weigh in on a case like this?

462 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:47:17pm

re: #435 beekiller

Malkin is just beside herself over this blatant racism.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

It's not bad in terms of racism, though the heckler is being an asshole.

463 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:47:25pm

re: #452 windsagio

ARGH.

464 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:47:34pm

re: #397 Obdicut

Good thing nobody is arguing that, then.

They do and have. There are several examples of commentators on LGF characterizing the Republican behavior today as worse than any political party of the past.

The fact that Abortion clinic bombings are more common than recruiting center bombings and therefore more dangerous or credible a threat (agreed) shouldn't deflect from my point that I'd hate to be in the position of defending either one as less harmful.

Vitriol and demonization is dangerous to feed to nuts of any stripe. pointing fingers at one party or the other is not helpful in fact it feeds "teh crazy" by helping justify some nuts (true Tu Quoque fallacy).

Hate and violence is not primarily a Republican or Democratic problem. As long as that argument is forwarded both sides will excuse themselves from blame and the real problem will never be addressed.

465 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:48:08pm

re: #447 Obdicut

I come from a similar background

466 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:48:21pm

/re: #205 DaddyG

No doubt. The same went for Illinois (my wife had the local Grand Dragon of the KKK living in the house behind hers). But in general the stereotype that the South is the home base for racism is just that. A stereotype.

Ugh. I was reading somewhere recently that NJ is teeming with white supremacist groups. I know there are places in NJ, Long Island, and upstate NY, that I'd avoid the same way I avoided places in TX. Me, I'll stick to the urban areas, thank you very much. :)

I think maybe it's just more out in the open in the South, though I realize one person's experiences don't count as incontrovertible proof.

It's also possible that I'm hyper-sensitive about it. I encountered my first bigot in at age 6 in elementary school. Up until that point it had never occurred to me that someone might automatically despise me based solely on my appearance. My parents had agreed that I would be "raised white" (culturally speaking) along with my younger brother and other half-siblings, however no one bothered to inform me that not everyone out there in the wider world would judge me based solely on the content of my character, to borrow from the esteemed Dr. King.

So anyway, here I was this shy, sheltered little thing with brown skin on the outside and a New England WASP-ish upbringing on the inside. I can't even begin to tell you how utterly shocked, angry, confused and dismayed I was to be called "messkin" by that kid*. Of course, I didn't know exactly what it meant, but I knew it was bad. I doubt the little boy who said it really knew either. I wish people wouldn't pass their hate on to their children.

*Messkin is equivalent to the N-word, but reserved for people of Mexican (or really any type of Hispanic) descent in TX.

467 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:48:29pm

re: #463 reine.de.tout

Lol if you want, when I come back we can have a huuge flamewar over it, but I think our host would not approve :p

468 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:48:32pm

re: #451 reine.de.tout

What allegations?
That was a silly silly show, didn't deserve to be on TV.

It's alleged that he kept a woman as a sex slave. The allegation is not holding up entirely, and so it might be a fake.

469 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:48:43pm

Mandy comes, Cato goes.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

470 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:49:08pm

re: #469 Cato the Elder

Wimp!


/no really I'm out too, delayed long enough.

471 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:49:26pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Some people were debating the fact that the "meeting" tomorrow is by invite only... some people were suggesting that that was in an effort to "pad" the audience with people that support Obama's idea about NASA funding.

See. it's not funny if I have to explain it.


Still - it beats trying to pack the Supreme court. /

472 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:49:58pm

re: #451 reine.de.tout

What allegations?
That was a silly silly show, didn't deserve to be on TV.

Sexual assault and harassment.

473 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:50:17pm
474 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:50:36pm

re: #447 Obdicut
Sadly parking lots and sports teams generate revenue. Academics do not.

475 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:50:45pm

re: #456 MandyManners

Speaking of militias,...

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged thousands of gun-toting militia troops Tuesday to be ready to fight for his socialist government, telling them that opponents may be plotting to oust or kill him.

SNIP

Chavez looks to be setting up the kind of purge that used to happen in Communist countries. We should put on notice; If he tries a reign of terror, he is a dead man. We've got the drones to kill him and inflict heavy losses on his forces.

476 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:50:54pm

re: #467 windsagio

Lol if you want, when I come back we can have a huuge flamewar over it, but I think our host would not approve :p

UM, no thanks.

477 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:51:03pm

re: #459 Locker

I want one...

Cat brain: A step toward the electronic equivalent

Cats rule! Dogs drool!

478 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:51:23pm

re: #473 darthstar

TENS OF THOUSANDS SHOW UP TO SEE PALIN IN BOSTON

Tens of dozens, looks like.

479 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:51:50pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

Chavez looks to be setting up the kind of purge that used to happen in Communist countries. We should put on notice; If he tries a reign of terror, he is a dead man. We've got the drones to kill him and inflict heavy losses on his forces.

Maybe ShortShit will loan him some of his new drones.

480 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:51:58pm

re: #386 HoosierHoops

I've posted my legendary fish dish here...Where I lightly cook fillets in a mixture of white wine and heavy cream then place some different cheeses between the fish fillets then wrapped in foil and bake them for 20 minutes..Remove them and pour the remaining sauce over the fish and garnish...Weee!

Can we come to your house for supper?

481 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:51:59pm

re: #478 Cato the Elder

Tens of dozens, looks like.

The gild on her lily is starting to tarnish.

482 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:52:10pm

re: #474 DaddyG

Sadly parking lots and sports teams generate revenue. Academics do not.

times like this, I'm happy I went to a school with no sports teams. :P

483 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:52:30pm

re: #464 DaddyG

There are several examples of commentators on LGF characterizing the Republican behavior today as worse than any political party of the past.

OK, cite three. Three posters who have said today's political behavior is worse than any in US history.

My hunch is that they were talking about recent times.

But let's see what you've got. I may have missed those posts.

484 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:52:46pm

re: #482 WindUpBird

times like this, I'm happy I went to a school with no sports teams. :P

You went to Notre Dame? (/rimshot)

485 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:53:04pm

re: #484 darthstar

You went to Notre Dame? (/rimshot)

bwahahahahaha

486 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:53:11pm

re: #478 Cato the Elder

Tens of dozens, looks like.

We'll just shift a decimal point here and there. No big deal.

487 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:53:19pm

re: #478 Cato the Elder

Tens of dozens, looks like.

Maybe a thousand people, probably less.

488 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:53:30pm
489 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:53:44pm

re: #481 darthstar

The gild on her lily is starting to tarnish.

That's what happens when you go off the gold standard and use cheap alloy instead.

490 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:53:57pm

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We'll just shift a decimal point here and there. No big deal.

If the GOP is going to be deliberately bad at science, they might as well throw in math.

491 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:54:22pm

re: #408 Walter L. Newton

Are you going to take off the clown suit before she comes home. I suggested this morning that you take it off before she comes home, you'll scare the shit out of her.

Thanks, I didn't remember I still have it on.

492 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:54:23pm
493 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:54:28pm

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

Maybe a thousand people, probably less.

A few more crowds like that, and we might see her quit once again.

494 RadicalModerate  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:54:45pm

Did we miss a memo somewhere?

With all we've been hearing all this time that the Tea Party movement is supposed to be an anti-tax movement, one would think that the rank-and-file TPers would be complaining that they are paying too much money in taxes.

Well.... about that.....

Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

Yet while some say the Tea Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already," most Tea Party supporters - 52 percent - say their taxes are fair, the poll shows. Just under one in five Americans say they support the Tea Party movement.

495 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:55:18pm

re: #494 RadicalModerate

wait what? Even I didn't expect that!

496 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:56:12pm

re: #461 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If he's done ANYTHING illegal, like false imprisonment, rape, it can go to trial. A non-disclosure wouldn't cover it, unless the employees went to the newspapers, instead of an attorney.

497 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:56:39pm

re: #466 CuriousLurker

/

Ugh. I was reading somewhere recently that NJ is teeming with white supremacist groups. I know there are places in NJ, Long Island, and upstate NY, that I'd avoid the same way I avoided places in TX. Me, I'll stick to the urban areas, thank you very much. :)

I think maybe it's just more out in the open in the South, though I realize one person's experiences don't count as incontrovertible proof.

It's also possible that I'm hyper-sensitive about it. I encountered my first bigot in at age 6 in elementary school. Up until that point it had never occurred to me that someone might automatically despise me based solely on my appearance. My parents had agreed that I would be "raised white" (culturally speaking) along with my younger brother and other half-siblings, however no one bothered to inform me that not everyone out there in the wider world would judge me based solely on the content of my character, to borrow from the esteemed Dr. King.

So anyway, here I was this shy, sheltered little thing with brown skin on the outside and a New England WASP-ish upbringing on the inside. I can't even begin to tell you how utterly shocked, angry, confused and dismayed I was to be called "messkin" by that kid*. Of course, I didn't know exactly what it meant, but I knew it was bad. I doubt the little boy who said it really knew either. I wish people wouldn't pass their hate on to their children.

*Messkin is equivalent to the N-word, but reserved for people of Mexican (or really any type of Hispanic) descent in TX.

I can believe that regarding NJ and Long Island. When we moved out of Brooklyn to Long Island we experienced some anti-Italian racism from the neighborhood kids. Then when we moved outside of Kingston, New York we experienced the anti-Spanish racism. This was somewhere around 1969.

When I lived in Ocean County, NJ I used to run into some passive neo-Confederate types and they were always parroting the old line of "the South will rise again." I think they took the south part of "South Jersey" to heart. Most of those folks are known as Pineys.

498 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #493 darthstar

A few more crowds like that, and we might see her quit once again.

From your lips to God's ears.

499 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:57:43pm

re: #429 Cato the Elder

If you have an Obama sticker on it, expect to be stopped and harassed by Citizen Teabaggers on orders of Sarah Palin.

No room for an Obama sticker, it's covered in Darwin fish and big red 'A's. (I'm Canadian eh)

500 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:59:46pm

re: #496 Floral Giraffe

If he's done ANYTHING illegal, like false imprisonment, rape, it can go to trial. A non-disclosure wouldn't cover it, unless the employees went to the newspapers, instead of an attorney.

From the story so far, the girl found a lawyer and filed charges without talking to the press. Seagal's people kept all the belongings she left at the house when she escaped, saying she failed to sign the agreement and are threatening her with breach of contract for failing to keep matters confidential and going thru public courts instead of private arbitration.

501 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:02:35pm

re: #1 brookly red

wait... isn't that the National Guard?

Isn't that what Hezbollah call themselves?

502 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:02:56pm

re: #500 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the story so far, the girl found a lawyer and filed charges without talking to the press. Seagal's people kept all the belongings she left at the house when she escaped, saying she failed to sign the agreement and are threatening her with breach of contract for failing to keep matters confidential and going thru public courts instead of private arbitration.

I always knew Seagal was a bit of a creep, but this is ridiculous...

A 23-year-old former model claims she interviewed with Seagal last February for the position of executive assistant. Kayden Nguyen says she got the job, but when she showed up for work, she learned, "Mr. Seagal had been keeping two young female Russian 'Attendants' on staff who were available for his sexual needs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

Nguyen alleges in her suit, one of the 'Attendants' had recently quit and it was this job -- not executive assistant -- Seagal intended her to fill.

Nguyen claims the very first night on the job, Seagal treated her "as his sex toy." Nguyen says in the lawsuit Seagal, pushed his hands under her skirt, tried fondling her breasts and forced his hand down her pants.

503 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:04:46pm

re: #500 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Seagal was a client of Anthony Pellicano, an LA "tough guy" who IIRC, is now in prison for the threats & intimidation he practiced. Google brought forth news that the attorney for the girl, has also been approached by others.

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:04:48pm

re: #253 beekiller

These people weren't protesting when Bush was in office

This is the key thing for me, really. This sudden upsurge of hysterical concern with fiscal responsibility and containing the power of the federal government was a little too perfectly timed, and no amount of insistence that this is a bipartisan movement is really persuading me.

505 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:07:48pm

re: #461 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Steven Seagal could be looking at some big big trouble. The law

This is the kumbaya ninja? Wow, people never cease to amaze by being shits and, trust me, I already had a couple of live in the flesh ones who did today.

506 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:08:33pm

re: #501 Naso Tang

Isn't that what Hezbollah call themselves?

They call themselves a "resistance movement", even though they have nothing to resist. They're in the Lebanese government and Israel poses no threat to any nation that does not attack it.

507 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:09:42pm

re: #503 Floral Giraffe

Seagal was a client of Anthony Pellicano, an LA "tough guy" who IIRC, is now in prison for the threats & intimidation he practiced. Google brought forth news that the attorney for the girl, has also been approached by others.

I've always had the sense that he was a creep. Seagal, I mean.

Let's hope this doesn't go all the way to the Dalai Lama.

508 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:09:42pm

It only measured 6.9 on the scale, but it has caused quite a bit of grief:

China quake toll rises to 589: report

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:11:39pm

re: #502 darthstar

Okay. He's a scumbag and all that.

Nguyen claims the very first night on the job, Seagal treated her "as his sex toy." Nguyen says in the lawsuit Seagal, pushed his hands under her skirt, tried fondling her breasts and forced his hand down her pants.

He tried to put his hand up her skirt and down her pants?

Again, he's a scumbag... but that doesn't read right.

510 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:11:46pm

re: #508 freetoken

It only measured 6.9 on the scale, but it has caused quite a bit of grief:

China quake toll rises to 589: report

Has the past 12 months been unusual for earthquakes?

511 Sigma_x  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:12:10pm

Anyone seen this little gem, yet? One of the craziest, fear-mongering, ridiculous ads to come along in years.

Too bad it'll probably work as planned.

512 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:12:12pm

re: #510 b_sharp

Supposedly not.

513 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:12:19pm

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

They call themselves a "resistance movement", even though they have nothing to resist. They're in the Lebanese government and Israel poses no threat to any nation that does not attack it.

But they do also pose a very real threat to the Lebanese government and all Lebanese who don't follow them. Their excuse is Israel, their agenda is larger.

But you know that.

514 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:12:34pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

I've always had the sense that he was a creep. Seagal, I mean.

Let's hope this doesn't go all the way to the Dalai Lama.

Richard Gere would go all Jesse Lujack on Seagal's ass if he did anything to tarnish the image of the Dalai Lama.

515 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:12:58pm

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. He's a scumbag and all that.

Nguyen claims the very first night on the job, Seagal treated her "as his sex toy." Nguyen says in the lawsuit Seagal, pushed his hands under her skirt, tried fondling her breasts and forced his hand down her pants.

He tried to put his hand up her skirt and down her pants?

Again, he's a scumbag... but that doesn't read right.

She reported multiple incidents over several days.

516 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:13:09pm

re: #464 DaddyG


The fact that Abortion clinic bombings are more common than recruiting center bombings and therefore more dangerous or credible a threat (agreed) shouldn't deflect from my point that I'd hate to be in the position of defending either one as less harmful.

The fact that one is demonstrably less harmful doesn't mean that one is demonstrably less harmful?

517 simoom  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:13:12pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

The Tea Party Express Bus tour was a GOP operation? According to Politico it is.

Hmm. Does this mean the press will acknowledge the Tea Party Express tour as a string of partisan political rallies (versus the grass-roots, non-partisan movement they're often portrayed as), and stop giving them so much free press?

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:13:38pm

re: #510 b_sharp

Probably not. Just have hit some centers of population.

I don't think Gaia is pissed.

But, I'm not sure.

519 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:13:55pm

If there ever be an actual "perpetual motion" machine, it has to be called "TEACH THE CONTROVERSY" ...

Climate change: always room for doubt

...

A majority of scientists maintain that global warming is a man-made phenomenon. However, they must be prepared to acknowledge that there is another view, for which evidence can also be adduced, even if it seems to conflict with the received wisdom.
...

520 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:13:59pm

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. He's a scumbag and all that.

Nguyen claims the very first night on the job, Seagal treated her "as his sex toy." Nguyen says in the lawsuit Seagal, pushed his hands under her skirt, tried fondling her breasts and forced his hand down her pants.

He tried to put his hand up her skirt and down her pants?

Again, he's a scumbag... but that doesn't read right.

"pants" is the English way of saying 'underwear'...it's possible that's what was meant. She might have said 'panties' and someone dropped the ie to keep it PG.

521 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:14:44pm

re: #505 Naso Tang

This is the kumbaya ninja? Wow, people never cease to amaze by being shits and, trust me, I already had a couple of live in the flesh ones who did today.

What happened?re: #513 Naso Tang

But they do also pose a very real threat to the Lebanese government and all Lebanese who don't follow them. Their excuse is Israel, their agenda is larger.

But you know that.

Yes, I do. My point was what a bunch of BS their self-designation is. But you knew that too.

522 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:14:46pm

re: #517 simoom

But the Tea Party does have ass-roots.

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:14:48pm

re: #515 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay. Just saw in the paragraph "on her first night on the job"...

He's a scumbag. I am not doubting her story or anything... I mean, look a the guy.

524 avanti  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:15:31pm

re: #500 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the story so far, the girl found a lawyer and filed charges without talking to the press. Seagal's people kept all the belongings she left at the house when she escaped, saying she failed to sign the agreement and are threatening her with breach of contract for failing to keep matters confidential and going thru public courts instead of private arbitration.

Sounds like she went along with the sex for quite a long time until she was fired.

525 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:15:49pm

re: #519 freetoken

If there ever be an actual "perpetual motion" machine, it has to be called "TEACH THE CONTROVERSY" ...

Climate change: always room for doubt

The opposing view being that the Volcano God is angry and we must appease him with the blood of the infidel or he will burn us all with his fiery wrath.

526 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:17:07pm

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. He's a scumbag and all that.

Nguyen claims the very first night on the job, Seagal treated her "as his sex toy." Nguyen says in the lawsuit Seagal, pushed his hands under her skirt, tried fondling her breasts and forced his hand down her pants.

He tried to put his hand up her skirt and down her pants?

Again, he's a scumbag... but that doesn't read right.

Yeah, apply the 12,000 hour tabloid rule.

He's a weirdo. And she was on the Tyra Banks show:

Kayden Nguyen appeared on "The Tyra Banks Show" in Jan. 2009 entitled "The Gay Kingdom," according to TMZ. In it, she brags about how she can use her "sex appeal to get any girl" she wanted and "trick any guy" into getting what she wanted.

Somehow I can picture Cartman playing the role of both Segal and Nguyen. Sort of like the South Park episode where Cartman is a guest on the Maury Povich Show, "I do what I want!"

527 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:17:29pm

re: #517 simoom

Hmm. Does this mean the press will acknowledge the Tea Party Express tour as a string of partisan political rallies (versus the grass-roots, non-partisan movement they're often portrayed as), and stop giving them so much free press?

No, because they like the story.

528 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:18:19pm

re: #483 garhighway

OK, cite three. Three posters who have said today's political behavior is worse than any in US history.

My hunch is that they were talking about recent times.

But let's see what you've got. I may have missed those posts.

Do I recall reading that Jefferson PAID correspondents to write shit about Adams?

529 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:18:38pm

re: #525 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heh...

/The world is a spheroid... BUT "there is another view."

530 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:18:42pm

re: #424 freetoken

T Boone Pickens just wrote a piece pushing natural gas from North America. I like that idea much better.

531 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:19:15pm

re: #524 avanti

Sounds like she went along with the sex for quite a long time until she was fired.

He took her out to his house out in the boonies of Louisiana to supposedly work there, then wouldn't let her leave, provide transportation and basically tried to strand her out there. She said she had to convince him that she had to meet someone in town or it would look suspicious and he finally agreed to let her go and thats when she made a break for it. She had to leave all her stuff there and Seagal's people said they were keeping it due to "breach of contract."

532 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:19:16pm

re: #351 Alouette

"Veterans Exempt" flag

Here is a description, written in Tea Party Engrish:

VETERANS' EXEMPT FLAG

I'm sure the vietnam vet who loves his country and fellow veterans enough to post a page of nothing but flags and their descriptions appreciates your tea party snark.

Here's the page where he pays tribute to his dad, another veteran. I'm sure you can find some horrific typos to slap him around with here too.

[Link: teetee199thlibgodandcountry49.webs.com...]

533 simoom  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:20:04pm

re: #473 darthstar

TENS OF THOUSANDS SHOW UP TO SEE PALIN IN BOSTON

Also seen on the Boston Commons during that event -- a real tea party:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
:P

534 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:20:36pm

re: #530 Rightwingconspirator

T Boone Pickens just wrote a piece pushing natural gas from North America. I like that idea much better.

he probably owns most of it

535 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:21:25pm

re: #533 simoom

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

536 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:21:28pm

re: #534 albusteve

he probably owns most of it

Exactly.

537 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:21:57pm

re: #532 RogueOne

This hater kick you're on is really boring.

538 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:22:03pm

re: #451 reine.de.tout

It really was a ridiculous show. Kinda pathetic. But the allegations are so far out there... I really think there is red flags all over this. If that show was a smash hit, nothing short of a conviction in criminal court would shut it down.

539 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:22:55pm

re: #537 Obdicut

This hater kick you're on is really boring.

so is Seagal and Palin....post whatever you want

540 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:23:00pm
541 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:23:23pm

re: #532 RogueOne

I'm sure the vietnam vet who loves his country and fellow veterans enough to post a page of nothing but flags and their descriptions appreciates your tea party snark.

Here's the page where he pays tribute to his dad, another veteran. I'm sure you can find some horrific typos to slap him around with here too.

[Link: teetee199thlibgodandcountry49.webs.com...]

Because nothing says "honor our vets" like illiteracy.

542 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:23:58pm

re: #521 Dark_Falcon


What happened?

Oh, just my time wasted again, because I usually believe people first time. I have a house to rent. Section 8, if you know what that is. People come and say they want to rent it, then don't show up for followup paperwork, nor call, and give IQ 70 answers when called.

If I continue I would be called a racist, and I would hate that. I'll stick to calling them welfare queens.

543 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:23:58pm

Hey, why stop at "millions"... if they had any creativity they would use "billions":


Dissent to boil at tea parties across Georgia, nation

Nationwide, the Tea Party Patriots has about 15 million members, Thompson said.

544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:24:27pm

I just read the Facebook post of a friend of mine who is an attorney. Is a "Pro-Life" guy. Successfully helped a 16 year old girl get the courts permission to get an abortion without her parent's consent (was appointed by the court).

I'm not bringing it up to get a discussion started about the "A" word. I just kind of feel for the guy.

Didn't know the court could appoint you for something like that, if it was against your morals (substitute a more appropriate word there, I couldn't think of one).

Sad, that.

Guess it's like defending someone you know is guilty. Is that a fair comparison?

545 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:25:26pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

It's not bad in terms of racism, though the heckler is being an asshole.

I agree he's an asshole. I think they're in damage control mode and trying to come up with as many examples as possible to point to.

Omg, its a white boy calling a white boy...a white boy! When will this insanity stop?! //

546 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:25:37pm

re: #537 Obdicut

This hater kick you're on is really boring.

I wouldn't let a man say something like about an old vet in my presence. You can play all you like with the tea party crowd but when you drag an old Vietnam veteran who has done nothing but post a list of flags and misspelled descriptions then you're the ass.

547 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:25:39pm

re: #497 Gus 802

I can believe that regarding NJ and Long Island. When we moved out of Brooklyn to Long Island we experienced some anti-Italian racism from the neighborhood kids. Then when we moved outside of Kingston, New York we experienced the anti-Spanish racism. This was somewhere around 1969.

I freaking love Brooklyn. When I first moved there I couldn't figure out what the draw was aside from the diversity—turned out that's where my great-great grandpa settled in the mid-1800's, so I guess it was in my DNA. Oddly enough, my first apartment there turned out to be just a few blocks from where he & his extended family lived. I later moved to Queens, just a few blocks from Cypress Hills cemetery, only to discover a short while later that there are over dozen of my ancestors buried there. Must be a genetic homing device. :) I wish I could move back to Brooklyn. *sigh*

When I lived in Ocean County, NJ I used to run into some passive neo-Confederate types and they were always parroting the old line of "the South will rise again." I think they took the south part of "South Jersey" to heart. Most of those folks are known as Pineys.

So they actually have a name, huh? I lived in Atlantic County for about 9 months before moving to NYC. Any time you ventured too far south of AC & environs, you'd run into them. There are some beautiful places along the South Jersey shore, but... no thanks.

548 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:26:09pm

re: #546 RogueOne

That's nice, Rogue.

549 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:26:24pm

re: #538 Rightwingconspirator

It really was a ridiculous show. Kinda pathetic. But the allegations are so far out there... I really think there is red flags all over this. If that show was a smash hit, nothing short of a conviction in criminal court would shut it down.

He's always given me a creepy vibe. Always.
I know these allegations are far out there, and this young lady (from an earlier post), may herself be a manipulator of whatever situations she finds herself in.

It's all still creepy as all get out, IMO.

550 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:26:43pm

re: #333 DaddyG

Of course the Code Pink pretests had nothing to do with any imbalanced nut going violent either. /

Largely agree with your points, although my only addition would be that we should talk about relatively curerent events--when someone right-ish has done something and is in the news, I get damn sick of having the Weathermen thrown up. When you have to go forty years back, you're just getting into grudge match territory.

What's the most violent thing Code Pink ever did?

551 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:27:01pm

re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The lawyers who perform such duties are servants of the court, no? My impression has always been that anyone who gets a law license first and foremost agrees to uphold the law, above and beyond their own personal beliefs on various particulars.

552 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:27:02pm

re: #541 Alouette

Because nothing says "honor our vets" like illiteracy.

wow.

Here's his own page where he describes his activities during the vietnam war.

[Link: teetee199thlibgodandcountry49.webs.com...]

There are plenty of typos. Why don't you drop him a line and let him know what a dumb ass he is.

553 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:27:33pm

Since 1773

554 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:27:37pm

re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist

Largely agree with your points, although my only addition would be that we should talk about relatively curerent events--when someone right-ish has done something and is in the news, I get damn sick of having the Weathermen thrown up. When you have to go forty years back, you're just getting into grudge match territory.

What's the most violent thing Code Pink ever did?

That shade of pink is pretty violent on the eyes!

555 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:27:39pm

re: #549 reine.de.tout

Didn't he used to claim the FBI was trying to kill him, or something crazy like that?

I can't keep track of the lunacy anymore.

556 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:28:46pm

re: #542 Naso Tang

Oh, just my time wasted again, because I usually believe people first time. I have a house to rent. Section 8, if you know what that is. People come and say they want to rent it, then don't show up for followup paperwork, nor call, and give IQ 70 answers when called.

If I continue I would be called a racist, and I would hate that. I'll stick to calling them welfare queens.

I understand completely. My best friend owns a building that has a couple of Section 8 tenants. Some of them have been good and decent, but some haven't and I had to help clean up after the worst of them. Yuck is all I'm saying about that.

557 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:28:52pm

re: #549 reine.de.tout

He's always given me a creepy vibe. Always.
I know these allegations are far out there, and this young lady (from an earlier post), may herself be a manipulator of whatever situations she finds herself in.

It's all still creepy as all get out, IMO.

I used to enjoy his movies, until he got a little too chubby to believe the arm snap moves.

But the previews of his latest TV show (unlike you I never watched:) reminded me of that ex governor from Minnesota. What was his name again?/

558 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:29:24pm

Belittling a man who served his country with honor because he obviously can't spell for crap is beyond low.

Goodnight.

559 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:29:49pm

re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist

Largely agree with your points, although my only addition would be that we should talk about relatively curerent events--when someone right-ish has done something and is in the news, I get damn sick of having the Weathermen thrown up. When you have to go forty years back, you're just getting into grudge match territory.

What's the most violent thing Code Pink ever did?

They wore pink after labour day.

560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:29:49pm

re: #557 Naso Tang

The guy who got his ass kicked by Jim Norton?

561 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:29:52pm
562 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:29:52pm

re: #552 RogueOne

wow.

Here's his own page where he describes his activities during the vietnam war.

[Link: teetee199thlibgodandcountry49.webs.com...]

There are plenty of typos. Why don't you drop him a line and let him know what a dumb ass he is.

Geeze, Rouge, settle down. You've been a foul mood for two days. What's wrong?

563 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:30:04pm

re: #555 Obdicut

Didn't he used to claim the FBI was trying to kill him, or something crazy like that?

I can't keep track of the lunacy anymore.

I don't recall that, but I wouldn't be surprised.
He's just creepy.
And I have a highly-developed creepy-guy sense.
He's not right. There's something majorly wrong with him.

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:30:18pm

re: #559 b_sharp

How's yer spouse?

565 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:30:50pm

re: #557 Naso Tang

I used to enjoy his movies, until he got a little too chubby to believe the arm snap moves.

But the previews of his latest TV show (unlike you I never watched:) reminded me of that ex governor from Minnesota. What was his name again?/

LOL.
Jesse Ventura.
He's nuts, too.
Had that show, Conspiracy Theory. I don't know if it's still on or not. That show should never have been allowed to air.

566 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:30:58pm

Hey Reine, I have a quick question for you. Is Lulu going to offer the option to pre-order the the next cookbook?

567 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:31:42pm

re: #558 RogueOne

Belittling a man who served his country with honor because he obviously can't spell for crap is beyond low.

Goodnight.

O_o

568 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:31:44pm

re: #552 RogueOne

The reason Alouette mentioned that with her link is that the grammar and punctuation were so bad that the description of what the flag meant was very difficult to understand. I had to read it a few times to get the general idea but I'm still not sure exactly what he was talking about.

569 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:32:14pm

re: #558 RogueOne

I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

I had lots of Vietnam Vets as customers when I was a bartender. Some of them were mighty crazy. They were great guys-- but a lot of them had very nutty views.

Saying that a Vietnam Vet can't be criticized in ways unrelated to their service is fatuous.

570 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:32:16pm

This seems rather relevant:

Neo-Nazi sentenced for threats

A Virginia neo-Nazi group's leader was sentenced to 30 months in prison for threatening people on his Web site, by e-mail and telephone calls, officials say.

William A. White, 32, of Roanoke, received a term at the upper end of federal sentencing guidelines determined by U.S. District Judge James Turk, The Roanoke Times reported Wednesday.

The judge said he based the sentence on the level of fear White instilled in many of his victims.

571 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:33:21pm

So Bill White goes to the pen for 30 months.

Maybe making wild-ass threats really does matter?

572 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:33:26pm

re: #566 Bubblehead II

Hey Reine, I have a quick question for you. Is Lulu going to offer the option to pre-order the the next cookbook?

I haven't even checked that.
I honestly don't want to even get into that, seems like it would be a lot of paperwork, more than I feel like dealing with.

I already had to set up a non-profit Tax ID for this so that incoming money would not affect my taxes (and the sales of Volume 1 were really not enough to do that anyhow, but I didn't know that ahead of time.)

At any rate - I don't want to get into the refund business if there's a problem with the book.

I DO know that I will do what I did last time, and order the first copy to make sure it's OK before letting everyone in to buy it. First issue of the first book was wacky.

573 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:33:28pm

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How's yer spouse?

I don't know yet, the hospital hasn't phoned. That usually means she's still under the affect of the anaesthetic.

574 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:34:09pm

re: #417 reine.de.tout

Had a friend once who insisted that only college graduates drove Volvos.

Honestly. I have no clue what the heck he meant by that. Except his wife wanted a Volvo, and she was not a college graduate. Maybe he just didn't want to get her a Volvo.

Did he ever consider that if he got her the Volvo, she might decide to get a degree to match it?

575 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:34:11pm

Sarah Palin's Boston Tea Party Speech: Obama Agenda 'Un-American' (video)


HuffPost's Ben Craw condensed her roughly 20-minute speech into a 3-minute highlight reel.


Heh.

576 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:35:03pm

re: #574 SanFranciscoZionist

Did he ever consider that if he got her the Volvo, she might decide to get a degree to match it?

Heh.
I'm not sure that's what he wanted to happen.
I think he liked his life just like it was.

577 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:35:12pm

re: #570 freetoken

This seems rather relevant:

Neo-Nazi sentenced for threats

"The defendant tried to get his sentence reduced, saying that Code Pink and the Weathermen were just as bad, but the Judge wasn't buying it."

That didn't happen. But if the defendant HAD raised that, I am guessing it wouldn't have helped him much. Just a hunch.

578 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:35:18pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

I don't recall that, but I wouldn't be surprised.
He's just creepy.
And I have a highly-developed creepy-guy sense.
He's not right. There's something majorly wrong with him.

You GOTTA hear this:

it's a Steven Seagal interview from a local Portland nerdy/pop culture show I like. Steven Seagal sounds like he's barely alive, like someone filled him full of quaaludes and mummified him. :D

At the end of the interview, the host and the producer just fall apart laughing. XD

579 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:35:24pm
580 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:35:37pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

Maybe Congress should look into this un-American activities? Perhaps we could call it the "Committee on Un-American Activities", no?

581 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:36:16pm
582 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:36:29pm

re: #580 freetoken

McCarthy rules!

583 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:36:57pm

re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist

Largely agree with your points, although my only addition would be that we should talk about relatively curerent events--when someone right-ish has done something and is in the news, I get damn sick of having the Weathermen thrown up. When you have to go forty years back, you're just getting into grudge match territory.

What's the most violent thing Code Pink ever did?

You could look at the SEIU thugs if you want to find recent violence and intimidation on the left side. Code Pink, for all their annoyance factor tend not to be violent.

584 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:37:00pm

Holy Crap!

Croatian teenager wakes from coma speaking fluent German

The girl, from the southern town of Knin, had only just started studying German at school and had been reading German books and watching German TV to become better, but was by no means fluent, according to her parents.

Since waking up from her 24 hourcoma however, she has been unable to speak Croatian, but is able to communicate perfectly in German.

585 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:37:12pm

re: #417 reine.de.tout

Had a friend once who insisted that only college graduates drove Volvos.

Honestly. I have no clue what the heck he meant by that. Except his wife wanted a Volvo, and she was not a college graduate. Maybe he just didn't want to get her a Volvo.

hahaha, in portland, it's basically the official car of the city. There are more ratty-ass dirtbag Volvo DLs slathered with metal and hippie stickers than anything else. There's even a few slammed, hotrodded Volvo 240s!

586 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:37:29pm
587 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:38:58pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

HAHAHAHAHA

man, I would not have the guts to pull that off. I'd be afraid some wacko would want to make an example out of me :D

588 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:39:40pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Honestly I really resented his taking a gentle martial art into those kill all the bad guys cheap movies. Aikido happens to impart the ability to defend yourself with a minimum of damage to your attacker. The stupid loud snap sounds of breaking bones was gratuitous in the extreme. I often hear negative rumors from inside the biz folks. I ignore the rumors, apart from increasing my reluctance to see his work.

589 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:39:42pm

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. He's a scumbag and all that.

Nguyen claims the very first night on the job, Seagal treated her "as his sex toy." Nguyen says in the lawsuit Seagal, pushed his hands under her skirt, tried fondling her breasts and forced his hand down her pants.

He tried to put his hand up her skirt and down her pants?

Again, he's a scumbag... but that doesn't read right.

Pants may mean underpants.

590 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:40:30pm

re: #572 reine.de.tout

I can understand that. Was just curious if it would be an option. Think I am going to try Kilgore's link for making Ricotta cheese next time I make Lasagna.

591 Kragar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:40:49pm

re: #589 SanFranciscoZionist

Pants may mean underpants.

At least 3 different incidents over 5 days are listed in the charges.

592 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:41:13pm

re: #588 Rightwingconspirator

The only think I clearly remember from any Steven Seagal movie was him bitching out some mobster for painting his Lotus Esprit S4 lime green. :D

593 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:41:20pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

I like this one too.

594 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:41:47pm

More strange news... and, it seems like there ought to be more to this story:

Dead Man Elected Mayor of Tennessee Town


Carl Robin Geary died suddenly a few weeks ago. But he received 268 votes anyway in Tuesday's nonpartisan election, beating out incumbent Barbara Brock with 85 votes in the two-candidate race.

An election administrator, Donna Basham, said Wednesday she wouldn't speculate on why Geary won posthumously but noted his death had been widely reported at the time in this corner of southeastern Tennessee.

She says the city council will now have to appoint a mayor to the four-year term.

Brock had been appointed mayor 16 months ago when the previous mayor died. She says she thought she had done a good job but added voters wanted a return to the past.

595 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:41:51pm

re: #588 Rightwingconspirator

What are your thoughts on Tai Kwan Do? My seven year old is interested in it.

596 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:42:14pm

re: #592 WindUpBird

The only think I clearly remember from any Steven Seagal movie was him bitching out some mobster for painting his Lotus Esprit S4 lime green. :D

"has anybody seen Richie?....
has ANYbody seen Richie?"

597 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:42:22pm

Syria shipping Scud missiles to Hezbollah in Beirut?

Here's Michael Totten's take:

The Israelis may well decide they’d rather fight a bad war now than a worse one later. Their enemies can afford to lose wars because Israel isn’t out to destroy their countries. No Israeli believes Syria or Iran shouldn’t exist. Israel, meanwhile, can barely afford to lose small wars. And the resistance bloc is boldly threatening and preparing for one of the most ambitious and destructive wars yet.

598 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:42:26pm

re: #589 SanFranciscoZionist

Red flags all over this. Nobody looks good, or especially truthful to me at this time, with this tiny dribble of information.

599 sagehen  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:42:30pm

re: #533 simoom

Also seen on the Boston Commons during that event -- a real tea party:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
:P


Are those the same people who wave the "God Hates Shrimp" signs at WBC events?

600 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:42:35pm

re: #593 darthstar

I like this one too.

He thinks Hitler was Kenyan cloth? (Muslin)

Godwin weeps.

601 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:42:57pm

re: #593 darthstar

I like this one too.

Ha!

602 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:43:11pm

re: #554 WindUpBird

That shade of pink is pretty violent on the eyes!

Admittedly, their activists seem to have been frozen emotionally in some way at the age of six, and cannot get past the dressing up like a deranged princess thing. And it does not mix well with vicious knee-jerk politics.

603 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:43:15pm

re: #594 freetoken

More strange news... and, it seems like there ought to be more to this story:

Dead Man Elected Mayor of Tennessee Town

Well, if they can vote, they should be able to run as well.

604 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:43:45pm

re: #594 freetoken

More strange news... and, it seems like there ought to be more to this story:

Dead Man Elected Mayor of Tennessee Town

What is up with the phrase "beating out"? Whatever happened to just "beating"?

605 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:44:48pm

re: #587 WindUpBird

HAHAHAHAHA

man, I would not have the guts to pull that off. I'd be afraid some wacko would want to make an example out of me :D

I think the vibe from the counterprotesters kept things pretty safe. The were joking, mocking and keeping things light hearted.

606 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:44:57pm

re: #577 garhighway

"The defendant tried to get his sentence reduced, saying that Code Pink and the Weathermen were just as bad, but the Judge wasn't buying it."

That didn't happen. But if the defendant HAD raised that, I am guessing it wouldn't have helped him much. Just a hunch.

"HIM! The one in the braces! 'E done it!"

"It's a fair cop, but society is to blame."

"Right. We'll be charging them too."

607 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:45:02pm
608 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:46:08pm

re: #607 darthstar

Damn...and there were cookies too.

I almost bought cookies today. I never buy sweets but I was really tempted.

609 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:46:17pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

I think the vibe from the counterprotesters kept things pretty safe. The were joking, mocking and keeping things light hearted.

I would imagine that Boston is the perfect place for the counter-protest: there must be 20,000 smart-ass college kids there.

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:46:33pm

Just got invited to a Nickelback concert for free.

Which reminds me of this little jewel of a line...


"Music doesn't make people violent. Bad music makes people violent. For example: Nickelback makes me want to kill... Nickelback."

-Brian Posehn

I politely declined.

611 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:46:53pm

From Drudge's front page:

NYT THURSDAY: Obama administration says support of Israel to be 'balanced against other interests'... Developing...

If this is true, I am going to have a really hard time remaining open minded about our President. Some things, like avoiding a Holocaust II should not be subject to political expediency.

612 darthstar  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:47:00pm

re: #600 CyanSnowHawk

He thinks Hitler was Kenyan cloth? (Muslin)

Godwin weeps.

That's why it's so good. It takes in the birther nonsense, the Hitler argument, and the crappy spelling in just a few words.

613 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:47:24pm

re: #597 Cato the Elder

Syria shipping Scud missiles to Hezbollah in Beirut?

Here's Michael Totten's take:

the Israelis are starting to piss me off...two summers ago they were happy securing the Litani River area, then the Gaza thing...I want to see these guys clean up a mess just one time....simply declare war on Lebanon and take down Hezzbollah....I'm pretty ordinary like that, but fucking around ALWAYS causes more grief in the long run

614 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:48:08pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

I almost bought cookies today. I never buy sweets but I was really tempted.

Next time you'll just buy the damn cookies.

615 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:48:16pm

re: #611 _RememberTonyC

From Drudge's front page:

NYT THURSDAY: Obama administration says support of Israel to be 'balanced against other interests'... Developing...

If this is true, I am going to have a really hard time remaining open minded about our President. Some things, like avoiding a Holocaust II should not be subject to political expediency.

It's Drudge--let's look for other sources.

616 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:48:21pm

re: #604 Cato the Elder

Hmmm... perhaps as the victor is in the grave, maybe the AP/Fox writer could have meant "beating, out of the graveyard, ...

617 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:48:26pm

re: #595 prairiefire

What are your thoughts on Tai Kwan Do? My seven year old is interested in it.

My 9yo is about to get his Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do. I highly recommend it. Mrs. Hawk and I got him involved when he was 6. The organization that he is in, American Taekwondo Association, is very well organized and emphasizes many traits that are good for kids. He is showing discipline and respect at a level beyond his years and is quite fit. He also made many friends that now share those qualities as well.

618 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:48:26pm

OT, an interesting piece on the financial reform situation...

[Link: www.salon.com...]

619 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:48:33pm

re: #610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Upding for Brian Posehn :D :D

620 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:49:40pm

re: #611 _RememberTonyC

If this is true....


Don't fall for these bogus stories from wingnuts. They never turn out to be true and there's no reason to believe the wingnuts are going to suddenly become honest again.

621 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:49:47pm

re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist

It's Drudge--let's look for other sources.

if the NY Times is running it tomorrow as Drudge claims, the NYT would be the source.

622 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:50:22pm

re: #614 Bubblehead II

Next time you'll just buy the damn cookies.

That's a cookie I can't refuse.

623 garhighway  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:50:24pm

re: #611 _RememberTonyC

From Drudge's front page:

NYT THURSDAY: Obama administration says support of Israel to be 'balanced against other interests'... Developing...

If this is true, I am going to have a really hard time remaining open minded about our President. Some things, like avoiding a Holocaust II should not be subject to political expediency.

Could it be that he meant "other (national) interests of the Untied States"? As opposed to his own political interests? After all, balancing our various national interests is sort of his job, isn't it?

624 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:51:22pm

re: #621 _RememberTonyC

if the NY Times is running it tomorrow as Drudge claims, the NYT would be the source.

they are almost as reliable as Drudge....better wait and see

625 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:51:27pm

re: #620 Killgore Trout

Don't fall for these bogus stories from wingnuts. They never turn out to be true and there's no reason to believe the wingnuts are going to suddenly become honest again.


That's why I threw in the qualifier, but if the NYT reports it, are they "wingnutty?"

626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:51:44pm

re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist

What's the most violent thing Code Pink ever did?

On its official website, Code Pink lists allegations of US war-crimes, and claims thousands of civilians were killed in Fallujah in 2004 due to the actions of the US military

Not violent, but terrible.

Protesting at Walter Reed? Beyond the fucking pale, tho, IMO.

627 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:53:11pm

re: #623 garhighway

Could it be that he meant "other (national) interests of the Untied States"? As opposed to his own political interests? After all, balancing our various national interests is sort of his job, isn't it?

I didn't see it as an issue of his own political interests, I saw it more as a "realpolitik" type of a situation. I may have worded my post awkwardly.

628 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:53:45pm

re: #600 CyanSnowHawk

He thinks Hitler was Kenyan cloth? (Muslin)

Godwin weeps.

Snark. "Muslin" is Wonkette-speak.

629 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:54:13pm

re: #570 freetoken

This seems rather relevant:

Neo-Nazi sentenced for threats

Especially to Charles since he's received threats from that creep too.

630 simoom  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:54:43pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

Sarah Palin's Boston Tea Party Speech: Obama Agenda 'Un-American' (video)

Heh.

I see Palin has gone full Bachmann... and everybody knows you never go full Bachmann.

/Kirk Lazarus

631 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:54:52pm

Yabba-dabba-doo!

Dinosaur footprints could stop gas hub

Woodside's plans for a $30 billion gas hub in the Kimberley face another major hurdle.

Conservationists want greater protection dinosaur footprints near the site of the proposed hub, a move that could affect the development.

Palaeontologists say there are footprints stretching as far as James Price Point where Woodside hopes to build its hub.

The huge footprints, scattered around the Dampier Peninsula coastline, are considered to be among the clearest in Australia, and the only evidence that stegosauruses once roamed the continent.

The prints are believed to date back about 130,000 years.

The tip of Gantheaume Point has been drafted for National Heritage Listing, because of its 130,000 year old Megalosauropus.

632 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:55:04pm

re: #617 CyanSnowHawk

I could do with a little more respect, that's for sure! : )
Thanks for the info.

633 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:55:18pm

re: #595 prairiefire

I do have some thoughts on it-IMHO okay?
My very first style BTW.

Pros
It's huge, practically everywhere. It caters to the very young very well. Very safety oriented. It is a system based on hugely powerful kicks, and later really big punches. It is big on drills or katas. It is a hard hitting power style with equally strong blocks and deflections. As such suits the young to teen ages well. Think big air and big hits. An excellent style for competition within TKD rules. Its fun as heck! Really big adrenaline. Korean based. Said to be a lone farmer vs horse borne bandit style in its origins.

Cons as I have seen them-
It got so big, so commercial that can cause issues. At worst-Very newly minted teachers,undeserved belts given timely payment of dues, overcharging for private lessons, belts, tests you name it. Arguably over rated as a pure defensive street style. Apologies to big fans there.

Any and all of these cons are nothing to worry about with strict old school masters in charge. Except-It is a very high impact sport. Many of us that did that feel it later in life. Every cold storm. Kickboxing beat my ability to heal. The style did more damage than any single opponent. I think TKD shares that risk at a lower level.

I hope this is seen as a fair look at it. I hate to do the cons part.

634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:56:06pm

re: #631 freetoken

The dinosaur is dead, dudes. Let it go, man... just let it go.

635 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:56:10pm

re: #629 Thanos

I figured it was the same "Bill White" as that which threatened Charles, but was looking for confirmation.

636 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:57:01pm

re: #633 Rightwingconspirator

I think the cons for Tae Kwon Do have to do with the teachers. You need to be able to handle the aggression of the form without being an ass.

637 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:57:05pm

re: #631 freetoken

Yabba-dabba-doo!

Dinosaur footprints could stop gas hub

Oops. Somebody dropped some zeros. Or are the years longer down under?

638 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:57:46pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's dead, Jim.

639 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:57:50pm

re: #631 freetoken

Yabba-dabba-doo!

Dinosaur footprints could stop gas hub

What the hell is a Megalosauropus and why was it around just 130,000 years ago? And why is it capitalized?

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:58:02pm

re: #570 freetoken

This seems rather relevant:

Neo-Nazi sentenced for threats

WooHoo! My hometown! Go Roanoke!

641 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:58:41pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The dinosaur is dead, dudes. Let it go, man... just let it go.

so is Geo Washington....should we build condos at Mt Vernon?

642 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:58:45pm

re: #639 b_sharp

What the hell is a Megalosauropus and why was it around just 130,000 years ago? And why is it capitalized?

It didn't believe in the mass extinction.

643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:59:34pm

re: #641 albusteve

so is Geo Washington...should we build condos at Mt Vernon?

If they're tasteful.

644 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 3:59:44pm

re: #631 freetoken

Yabba-dabba-doo!

Dinosaur footprints could stop gas hub

The prints are believed to date back about 130,000 166 million years.

The tip of Gantheaume Point has been drafted for National Heritage Listing, because of its 130,000 166 million year old Megalosauropus.

645 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:00:01pm

re: #633 Rightwingconspirator

I do have some thoughts on it-IMHO okay?
My very first style BTW.

Pros
It's huge, practically everywhere. It caters to the very young very well. Very safety oriented. It is a system based on hugely powerful kicks, and later really big punches. It is big on drills or katas. It is a hard hitting power style with equally strong blocks and deflections. As such suits the young to teen ages well. Think big air and big hits. An excellent style for competition within TKD rules. Its fun as heck! Really big adrenaline. Korean based. Said to be a lone farmer vs horse borne bandit style in its origins.

Cons as I have seen them-
It got so big, so commercial that can cause issues. At worst-Very newly minted teachers,undeserved belts given timely payment of dues, overcharging for private lessons, belts, tests you name it. Arguably over rated as a pure defensive street style. Apologies to big fans there.

Any and all of these cons are nothing to worry about with strict old school masters in charge. Except-It is a very high impact sport. Many of us that did that feel it later in life. Every cold storm. Kickboxing beat my ability to heal. The style did more damage than any single opponent. I think TKD shares that risk at a lower level.

I hope this is seen as a fair look at it. I hate to do the cons part.

Try Hapkido, very Aikido in form.

646 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:00:04pm

re: #639 b_sharp

What the hell is a Megalosauropus and why was it around just 130,000 years ago? And why is it capitalized?

[Link: paleodb.org...]

647 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:00:35pm

re: #639 b_sharp

What the hell is a Megalosauropus and why was it around just 130,000 years ago? And why is it capitalized?

That's George Megalosauropus, he's been supporting progressive flint-knappers since the Pleistocene.

648 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:01:06pm

re: #647 Decatur Deb

That's George Megalosauropus, he's been supporting progressive flint-knappers since the Pleistocene.

It's all Greek to me.

/

649 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:02:41pm
650 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:03:07pm

re: #648 Gus 802

It's all Greek to me.

/

That would be Ambrose Megalosauropus, George's uncle.

651 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:03:30pm

re: #264 b_sharp

I didn't realize your wife was in the hospital. I'm glad to hear she's home recuperating—best wishes to her for a speedy recovery.

652 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:03:46pm

re: #636 Obdicut

Well that is true of most styles. The worst I have seen myself is overly rapid belts and exploitation $$ wise of doting parents. It is one of the most commercialized styles. Franchises, competing organizations etc. I mean a black belt in old school styles in 5 years minimum. Usually 6 to 8 years of a 2-4 times a week. In fact I dislike the belt system entirely. I prefer going by actual skills and time in training. Frankly apart from the ultra rare prodigy, two year black belts are undeserved. I have fought with two and three year guys. They spar about the same whether that are a middle belt ranking or a fast black belt. But when a mid ranked 3 year guy defeats a 3 year black belt, it's embarrassing. Seen that a lot.

653 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:04:09pm

re: #649 freetoken

Someone inquired upstream:

Cluster Of Strong Earthquakes: Coincidence Or Trend?

Okay, who's poking the Worm of the World's End?

654 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:05:24pm

re: #649 freetoken

Someone inquired upstream:

Cluster Of Strong Earthquakes: Coincidence Or Trend?

Thanks.

655 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:05:54pm

re: #377 palomino

If this were the late 60s-mid 70s, the roles would be reversed. Conservatives could make a strong and credible argument that the majority of threats of political violence were coming from the left (at least after the bloodiest days of the civil rights battle). Weather Underground, SLA, Black Panthers, and many others.

I have no illusion that this will always be the case. We may find in a few years that the left again uses implicit violence as a form of political communication.

The Weather Underground were a bunch of college-age kids who blew up as many of themselves as the few others they managed to kill. They were rank amateurs and everyone knew it. The Panthers were tougher, street-smart and had little to lose. But they were a minority of a minority and everyone knew it. What we've got now is almost indistinguishable from mainstream America. In their own eyes, they are mainstream America - cutting across age, social and even political categories. The most determined among them have been coalescing into armed groups for years. There are hundreds of thousands of others biding their time quietly in the background.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'implicit violence' but the violence of the left in the United States is simply not a credible concept.

656 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:06:32pm

Kinda on topic. I am going to my first Tea Party gathering tomorrow.

I'm curious to see how bad teh crazy has infected my fellow citizens. I'll be taking my camera and if I see anything worth a shot I will post it to Flicker (once I set up an account) and then post a link here.

657 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:06:41pm

no fair jumping from Megalosauropus to Ouborous.

658 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:07:01pm

re: #652 Rightwingconspirator

I agree with the belt thing. My favorite thing I ever studied was Muay Thai, because there wasn't any real hierarchy.

The show Fight Quest, by the way, is a lot better than it sounds.

659 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:07:48pm

re: #645 b_sharp

Heh. Hapkido is Aikido with the hits left in. Actually its all a circle. Aikido starts with gentle energy management skills. Then at or near 1st degree black, you start to hit. In many styles you start learning to hit, then block, then much later learn the energy management gentle skills.

BTW I detest the UFC for bloodlust and teaching that hurting for fame and money is good. Its NOT.

660 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:08:21pm

re: #657 Decatur Deb

no fair jumping from Megalosauropus to Ouborous.

... in a nation lugubrious.

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:08:29pm

re: #658 Obdicut

The show "Fight Quest" is AWESOMESAUCE!

662 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:09:34pm

re: #653 CyanSnowHawk

Okay, who's poking the Worm of the World's End?

comment....

Can anyone say "Geoengineering"?
Could HAARP(High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) be triggering off these earthquakes?
Just a week ago on the Diane Rehms Show, an hour was used to discuss geoengineering. Many people have seen examples of it in the form of "chemtrails", a weather modification method.

there you have it

663 alexknyc  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:09:46pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

Not independent.
"No Party Affiliation".
In this state, there's a difference for some reason I can't really fathom.

In New York, we call it "No Party" because there's an Independence Party and people would get confused.

664 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:09:48pm

re: #661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just watched the Kyokushin episode. Man, they got worked over.

I like that they're both very, very respectful of the other fighters and teachers.

665 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:09:57pm

re: #497 Gus 802

I can believe that regarding NJ and Long Island. When we moved out of Brooklyn to Long Island we experienced some anti-Italian racism from the neighborhood kids. Then when we moved outside of Kingston, New York we experienced the anti-Spanish racism. This was somewhere around 1969.

When I lived in Ocean County, NJ I used to run into some passive neo-Confederate types and they were always parroting the old line of "the South will rise again." I think they took the south part of "South Jersey" to heart. Most of those folks are known as Pineys.

About thirty or forty years back, the New Yorker magazine did the definitive piece on the New Jersey Pine Barrens and their inhabitants. I still remember well researched it was and how well it read.

666 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:10:04pm

Anyone notice this from the HuffPo Palin piece?

After her speech, an event organizer yelled out, "You hear that, my lefty friends? See that? Conservative women: they're smarter than you and they're hotter than you!"
667 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:10:07pm

re: #623 garhighway

Could it be that he meant "other (national) interests of the Untied States"? As opposed to his own political interests? After all, balancing our various national interests is sort of his job, isn't it?

Just like clockwork. Freerpublic jumps to conclusions first.

With Drudge, the headlines he concocts becomes the story.

668 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:10:18pm

re: #662 albusteve

That quote is infinitely awesome.

669 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:10:24pm

re: #660 freetoken

... in a nation lugubrious.

Make Lubricious, Not Lugubrious."

670 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:10:32pm

re: #658 Obdicut

Agreed on all points. Fight Quest shows something that was really lacking back in the day-Respect for other styles. Since Bruce Lee and ,any others, respect is more generally applied, less of the "ours is the best style" ego crapola.

Fight science is great too.

671 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:12:07pm

re: #663 alexknyc

In New York, we call it "No Party" because there's an Independence Party and people would get confused.

Do you wear masks?

[Link: www.noh-masks.com...]

672 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:12:43pm

re: #670 Rightwingconspirator

It actually made me both respect the Gracie guys more for how well their schools seemed to be run, and to finalize my conclusion that Gracie JuJitsu is not very good as actual self-defense, since it focuses so exclusively on one-on-one combat.

I really, really like the fighting style I've developed: It involves never getting into a fight, and I've practiced it successfully for about 11 years now.

673 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:12:50pm

re: #668 windsagio

That quote is infinitely awesome.

an entire ROLL of tin foil I think

674 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:14:09pm

re: #659 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. Hapkido is Aikido with the hits left in. Actually its all a circle. Aikido starts with gentle energy management skills. Then at or near 1st degree black, you start to hit. In many styles you start learning to hit, then block, then much later learn the energy management gentle skills.

BTW I detest the UFC for bloodlust and teaching that hurting for fame and money is good. Its NOT.

I spent 2 years in Karate, and 3 years in Hapkido. I hurt my knee kicking air, which pissed me off, we should have been using bags. I did love the ground work, the flips, arm bars, sweeps, all of what you call energy management. It was Jinpal Hapkido, if you want to look it up, where we learned both strikes and throws at the same time.

When I started I was 200lbs. After about 6 months I was 180lbs and stayed that way until my meds stopped me from going.

675 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:15:35pm

re: #654 b_sharp

Oh, can I give you another recipe? lol It's my fall back when I don't want to cook.

1 jar your favorite spaghetti sauce
1 box macaroni (like penne, not spaghetti)
1 pound ground beef (I sometimes use ground turkey or half and half)

Fry the meat in the skillet until cooked. Drain. Add sauce. Cook the pasta, drain and add to skillet. You can add a jar of mushrooms to get real fancy :p

Italians would cringe at that I suppose :) but it's tasty.

676 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:17:08pm

re: #658 Obdicut

I just want to put in a good word for my favorite contemporary martial art, defensive pistol. In Wu Ming Ta, I had to demonstrate a certain skill with a pistol to get my black belt.

I also really like Escrima, because you can meter the violence very well and safely for yourself, unless you are over matched. Which is rare on the street. Few bad guys (apart from gun armed robbers!) can deal with a skilled man or woman with a cane or stick. You can "hunt the weapon" that is to say just smash the incoming fist or arm. That will heal, and no one dies.

677 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:17:12pm

re: #465 Conservative Moonbat

I come from a similar background

But one that finds the term welfare queen offensive?

678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:17:27pm

re: #675 marjoriemoon

You and Albusteve should open a restaurant.

679 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:18:33pm

re: #662 albusteve

comment...

Can anyone say "Geoengineering"?
Could HAARP(High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) be triggering off these earthquakes?
Just a week ago on the Diane Rehms Show, an hour was used to discuss geoengineering. Many people have seen examples of it in the form of "chemtrails", a weather modification method.

there you have it

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Now what about sunspot activity? I always suspected the government was involved.

680 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:18:38pm

re: #652 Rightwingconspirator

Well that is true of most styles. The worst I have seen myself is overly rapid belts and exploitation $$ wise of doting parents. It is one of the most commercialized styles. Franchises, competing organizations etc. I mean a black belt in old school styles in 5 years minimum. Usually 6 to 8 years of a 2-4 times a week. In fact I dislike the belt system entirely. I prefer going by actual skills and time in training. Frankly apart from the ultra rare prodigy, two year black belts are undeserved. I have fought with two and three year guys. They spar about the same whether that are a middle belt ranking or a fast black belt. But when a mid ranked 3 year guy defeats a 3 year black belt, it's embarrassing. Seen that a lot.

That is a good point. Taekwondo as I have seen it is a 3 year black belt course and your skills when you get there can vary greatly depending on what you put into it, since there is very little incentive to hold a student back, and plenty of monetary incentive to allow them to progress. OTOH, it is well suited to teaching a child respect, discipline, goal setting, and a host of other good characteristics that seem to be lacking in the public schools. The self defense moves are useful as well. There was a student of one of the local studios that was attacked by the killer of Chelsea King shortly before he raped and killed Chelsea. He outweighed her by a hundred pounds and she fended him off with an elbow strike to the face which she learned there.

681 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:19:13pm

re: #676 Rightwingconspirator

Escrima is a beautiful thing, and it does scale nicely. Good point.

682 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:19:30pm

re: #679 ryannon

Silly. We never really landed on the Sun.

683 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:19:47pm

re: #672 Obdicut

It actually made me both respect the Gracie guys more for how well their schools seemed to be run, and to finalize my conclusion that Gracie JuJitsu is not very good as actual self-defense, since it focuses so exclusively on one-on-one combat.

I really, really like the fighting style I've developed: It involves never getting into a fight, and I've practiced it successfully for about 11 years now.

Gracie JuJitsu is more effective in one to one combat than most striking arts because most street fights degenerate to the ground rather quickly (in my experience).

684 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:20:08pm

re: #672 Obdicut

It actually made me both respect the Gracie guys more for how well their schools seemed to be run, and to finalize my conclusion that Gracie JuJitsu is not very good as actual self-defense, since it focuses so exclusively on one-on-one combat.

I really, really like the fighting style I've developed: It involves never getting into a fight, and I've practiced it successfully for about 11 years now.

years back, outside of an East Denver, some maniac karate kicker guy almost demolished my sweet little Type 3 VW...kicked half the windows out of it, and caved in almost every body part...I had to run him over to get away from him and his four buddies who beat the shit out of me...I hit him a glancing blow on my right side and his face smashed out my windshield and tore off the mirror....he went down in a heap

685 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:20:19pm

re: #672 Obdicut

I like that best. My only caveat there is defense of another innocent person. If I ever see a woman being assaulted, its on. But yeah, you are a smart person there Obdicut. Stay away from angry people, drink in nice places, and avoid riots / angry protests. That about does it, no serious fights for me in many many years.

686 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:20:58pm

re: #22 beekiller

There is no valid reason for them to form militias unless it is to threaten or create violence.

Exactly.

Otherwise they would be called "gun clubs".

687 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:21:18pm

re: #683 b_sharp

Sure. But back when I actually did get into fights, there were none of them that were one-on-one. A fight that emphasises one-on-one is good for winning martial arts championships.

If I had serious fighting that I knew I had to do, I'd want to learn Krav Maga or Escrima.

As it is, my main battle is against ten extra pounds.

688 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:22:01pm

re: #682 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Silly. We never really landed on the Sun.

We didn't need to. Does the NSA actually come to your house and plant microphones when it wants to listen to you talking about sekreet pie recipes?

689 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:22:12pm

re: #675 marjoriemoon

Oh, can I give you another recipe? lol It's my fall back when I don't want to cook.

1 jar your favorite spaghetti sauce
1 box macaroni (like penne, not spaghetti)
1 pound ground beef (I sometimes use ground turkey or half and half)

Fry the meat in the skillet until cooked. Drain. Add sauce. Cook the pasta, drain and add to skillet. You can add a jar of mushrooms to get real fancy :p

Italians would cringe at that I suppose :) but it's tasty.

Thanks you.

She'll be recuperating for several weeks so I'll have a chance at several recipes. This one will likely be tried more than once.

690 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:23:25pm

re: #689 b_sharp

Thanks you.

She'll be recuperating for several weeks so I'll have a chance at several recipes. This one will likely be tried more than once.

Poor dear. You're a good hubby.

691 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:23:34pm

re: #689 b_sharp

Thanks you.

She'll be recuperating for several weeks so I'll have a chance at several recipes. This one will likely be tried more than once.

two words
Beef-O-Roni

692 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:25:21pm

re: #676 Rightwingconspirator

I just want to put in a good word for my favorite contemporary martial art, defensive pistol. In Wu Ming Ta, I had to demonstrate a certain skill with a pistol to get my black belt.

I also really like Escrima, because you can meter the violence very well and safely for yourself, unless you are over matched. Which is rare on the street. Few bad guys (apart from gun armed robbers!) can deal with a skilled man or woman with a cane or stick. You can "hunt the weapon" that is to say just smash the incoming fist or arm. That will heal, and no one dies.

I like Escrima from what I've seen of it but we don't have a school here. Hapkido also taught sword (all Kendoish) and cane but I never reached that level.

Where I live the bad guys don't use guns, but knives are everywhere.

693 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:26:55pm

re: #684 albusteve

years back, outside of an East Denver, some maniac karate kicker guy almost demolished my sweet little Type 3 VW...kicked half the windows out of it, and caved in almost every body part...I had to run him over to get away from him and his four buddies who beat the shit out of me...I hit him a glancing blow on my right side and his face smashed out my windshield and tore off the mirror...he went down in a heap

Nice defensive work.

694 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:27:57pm

re: #633 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks, RWC, and everyone else for the input. I think it would be a good thing for my little boy. We are going to study the Master's website and rules to make sure he is ready to commit to it.
He's been walking around with a little chip on his skinny shoulder lately. I think the discipline of the style would be good for him.

695 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:29:46pm

re: #694 prairiefire

Thanks, RWC, and everyone else for the input. I think it would be a good thing for my little boy. We are going to study the Master's website and rules to make sure he is ready to commit to it.
He's been walking around with a little chip on his skinny shoulder lately. I think the discipline of the style would be good for him.

sign him up for pee wee football in the fall...best thing for him

696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:30:19pm

re: #691 albusteve

two words
Beef-O-Roni

re: #675 marjoriemoon

Oh, can I give you another recipe? lol It's my fall back when I don't want to cook.

1 jar your favorite spaghetti sauce
1 box macaroni (like penne, not spaghetti)
1 pound ground beef (I sometimes use ground turkey or half and half)

Fry the meat in the skillet until cooked. Drain. Add sauce. Cook the pasta, drain and add to skillet. You can add a jar of mushrooms to get real fancy :p

Italians would cringe at that I suppose :) but it's tasty.

CALL IT MARGE AND STEVE'S BEEF O RONI KINGDOM!

697 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:31:29pm

re: #692 b_sharp

Get a couple canes, rattan if you can find them. If you understand angles and distances you can teach yourself a lot. A cane is a thing you are allowed to have almost anywhere.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

698 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:31:58pm

re: #696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CALL IT MARGE AND STEVE'S BEEF O RONI KINGDOM!

With the Stones blaring over the speakers and a bunch of Camaros parked out front.

699 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:32:38pm

re: #687 Obdicut

Sure. But back when I actually did get into fights, there were none of them that were one-on-one. A fight that emphasises one-on-one is good for winning martial arts championships.

If I had serious fighting that I knew I had to do, I'd want to learn Krav Maga or Escrima.

As it is, my main battle is against ten extra pounds.

I guess we come from different worlds. I come from a backward agricultural community where gangs have been around for only 10 to 15 years. Most fights, including bar fights, are/were one on one. As an old fart, I now avoid fights like the plague, but from what I hear, fights are starting to be one guy against a half dozen. In that case, Escrima would be the way to go.

700 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:33:25pm

re: #684 albusteve

years back, outside of an East Denver, some maniac karate kicker guy almost demolished my sweet little Type 3 VW...kicked half the windows out of it, and caved in almost every body part...I had to run him over to get away from him and his four buddies who beat the shit out of me...I hit him a glancing blow on my right side and his face smashed out my windshield and tore off the mirror...he went down in a heap

Fahrvergnugen-do.

701 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:33:28pm

re: #698 prairiefire

With the Stones blaring over the speakers and a bunch of Camaros parked out front.

thinking.....

702 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:33:32pm

re: #662 albusteve

comment...

Can anyone say "Geoengineering"?
Could HAARP(High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) be triggering off these earthquakes?
Just a week ago on the Diane Rehms Show, an hour was used to discuss geoengineering. Many people have seen examples of it in the form of "chemtrails", a weather modification method.

there you have it

This was on NPR? Politics aside, they are usually pretty sane.

703 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:34:07pm

re: #691 albusteve

two words
Beef-O-Roni

Ah, food in a can, my favorite. My ability to saw the top off a can is why I never learned how to cook.

704 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:34:20pm

re: #700 Decatur Deb

Fahrvergnugen-do.

I read 'The Auto As A Weapon'

705 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:35:14pm

re: #702 Naso Tang

This was on NPR? Politics aside, they are usually pretty sane.

I have no idea who Rehms is

706 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:35:16pm

re: #700 Decatur Deb

OMG hilarious! Very well done.

707 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:35:28pm

BBL

708 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:37:14pm

re: #697 Rightwingconspirator

Get a couple canes, rattan if you can find them. If you understand angles and distances you can teach yourself a lot. A cane is a thing you are allowed to have almost anywhere.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Then the question becomes, who do I spar with. I have thought many times about buying a few canes and doing some book lernin'. I have a few VHS tapes (ouch) already.

I can actually buy rattan training canes from one of the local Hapkido dojangs.

709 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:41:51pm

re: #705 albusteve

I have no idea who Rehms is

Oh. Googling again I see. I don't know who Rehms is either.

710 Elizabeth  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:43:37pm

re: #694 prairiefire

Anything else going on with the little guy, prairiefire? Make sure you find out why he is interested in martial arts if you have not already. I know when my kindergarten students moved on to first grade it was a difficult transition for some of them socially or academically.

711 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:43:49pm

re: #709 Naso Tang

Oh. Googling again I see. I don't know who Rehms is either.

it was a funny comment from the article

712 Elizabeth  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:44:33pm

Diane Rehm, I grew up outside DC listening to her.

[Link: thedianerehmshow.org...]

713 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:44:59pm

re: #710 TheBirthdayPrincess

Anything else going on with the little guy, prairiefire? Make sure you find out why he is interested in martial arts if you have not already. I know when my kindergarten students moved on to first grade it was a difficult transition for some of them socially or academically.

Third grade to fourth grade is another weird transition, for some reason. Then the transitions get much easier.

714 tradewind  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:45:01pm

re: #503 Floral Giraffe

Seagal was a client of Anthony Pellicano, an LA "tough guy" who IIRC, is now in prison for the threats & intimidation he practiced


He joins a long list, including both Clintons, Tom Cruise, Kirk Kerkorian's wife, Gary Shandling, etc etc.

715 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:50:32pm

re: #700 Decatur Deb

Fahrvergnugen-do.

Rotating title nomination?

716 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:53:11pm

re: #715 Floral Giraffe

Rotating title nomination?

There are still rotating titles? Behind which ad?

717 martinsmithy  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:55:54pm

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Those who are willing to convert to Christianity and renounce Islam, Allah, Mohammed and the Koran may be welcomed, for they can become not just good Christians but true Americans.

Jason Linkins of the Huffington Post has a great response:

Meanwhile, I am reliably informed by the Constitution of the United States that one of the freedoms we cherish in America is the right to worship whatever faith we bloody well please, so maybe it's Fischer who needs to sail away on a little sloop in search of a land more to his liking?

718 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 4:57:38pm

re: #716 Naso Tang

There are still rotating titles? Behind which ad?

Upper right hand corner, above the "Follow me on Twitter" link. Mine right now says

A complete lack of respect for the basic moral principle of universality.
719 alexknyc  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:02:33pm

re: #671 Decatur Deb

Do you wear masks?

[Link: www.noh-masks.com...]

I wish. I'm pretty sure NYC has anti-mask laws.

720 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:10:54pm

re: #621 _RememberTonyC

if the NY Times is running it tomorrow as Drudge claims, the NYT would be the source.

Let's check the NY Times tomorrow, then. And read the context carefully.

I have zilch faith in Drudge these days.

721 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:13:53pm

re: #718 wrenchwench

Ah. If I see Twitter I move on...

722 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:18:30pm

re: #626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On its official website, Code Pink lists allegations of US war-crimes, and claims thousands of civilians were killed in Fallujah in 2004 due to the actions of the US military

Not violent, but terrible.

Protesting at Walter Reed? Beyond the fucking pale, tho, IMO.

They're total assholes. You will get no argument from me about that.

I won't even point out that they claim what they're doing at Reed is a vigil.

But I think the most violent thing they ever advocated doing, or did, was occasionally try to handcuff themselves to assorted politicians they didn't like, or flail around when the police come to peel them off something they're protesting on.

723 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:22:55pm

re: #636 Obdicut

I think the cons for Tae Kwon Do have to do with the teachers. You need to be able to handle the aggression of the form without being an ass.

I would talk to any potential teacher for my kids about his ideas about fighting, and why kids learn martial arts at all. I've worked with kids who took TKD, and I've liked some teachers, without meeting them, better than others. We had a guy teaching at the JCC at one point I wasn't nuts about.

I think some parents like the idea of their kid learning a fighting skill so they can protect themselves on the street (effective kicking of and running away from stranger, not that they're gonna be Bruce Lee), but they don't think in terms of, their kid also interacts with people who are the kid's size or smaller, and that frail eight-year-old boy will be a grown man in ten years.

Just make sure that there's solid morals going with the punches.

724 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:27:02pm

re: #666 JasonA

Anyone notice this from the HuffPo Palin piece?

Being found wanting in comparison to conservative women is hurting my feelers.

725 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:27:40pm

re: #710 TheBirthdayPrincess

Well, that is something to consider. He has always been little scrapper. Probably the crazy Scotts in us!/
There is a 5 year difference with his sister. He was about 10 months old when I had to pull him off of her, he's swinging away, and I told my daughter "Run!"

726 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:28:36pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

Not mine. I know who is funkier./

727 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:31:17pm

re: #714 tradewind

He joins a long list, including both Clintons, Tom Cruise, Kirk Kerkorian's wife, Gary Shandling, etc etc.

I assume that you mean these people were also clients, not that they are now in prison for intimidation?

728 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 6:31:21pm

re: #708 b_sharp

You may well be able to find somebody to practice with. And you can put pipe insulation (closed cell black foam) on to keep the bruising down. I have some tricks I can share if you like. Heh, too bad we are not neighbors!

729 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:04:04pm

re: #717 martinsmithy

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

well, I read in my Texan school history book that America is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles, so if'n y'all wanna be real Americans, y'all had better get rid of that there Koe-rahn an' pick up a Bible!


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