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1 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:11:10pm

Cool. Ethical. Calm. Underspoken. Love the Silver Surfer. A superhero a Buddhist can get into.

2 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:11:13pm

I think comic books should be taught in public schools. Children need to see both sides of every issue.

3 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:14:28pm

This is an amazing collection, in amazing condition.

4 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:17:07pm

re: #2 BigPapa

I think comic books should be taught in public schools. Children need to see both sides of every issue.

This is what I often saw on the other side of my latest issue.

I grew up feeling inadequate.

5 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:17:09pm

Reine!

6 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:18:08pm

re: #4 ryannon

And still do! Mind is slowly going.

Image: charlesatlas.jpg

7 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:19:45pm

This makes me laugh, every time Charles posts it!

"Click to embiggen…"

8 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:20:25pm

More immortal comic book ads

[Link: wheezersociety.blogs.com...]

9 Racer X  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:22:23pm

re: #7 Floral Giraffe

"Click to embiggen…"

Wasn't that the tattoo on the Spitzer chick earlier?

10 ryannon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:22:57pm

What kid could resist this crap? What kind of adult could even conceive of it?

Image: 1970-comic-book-ad.jpg

11 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:25:44pm

re: #5 BigPapa

Reine!

HEY!
Good to see you around!
You've been scarce.
Busy?

12 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:27:08pm

I have given you all an Amish Computer virus. Since they do not allow electricity and work on a firm honor system, please delete all your files.

13 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:27:23pm

re: #10 ryannon

What kid could resist this crap? What kind of adult could even conceive of it?

Image: 1970-comic-book-ad.jpg

Peace Ring.
Ugly Blackheads out in Seconds!
Hercules Wrist Band
Midget Spy Camera.

Oh heck, look at me.
I'm supposed to be ignoring you.

14 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:28:07pm

re: #13 reine.de.tout

Peace Ring.
Ugly Blackheads out in Seconds!
Hercules Wrist Band
Midget Spy Camera.

Oh heck, look at me.
I'm supposed to be ignoring you.

X-ray glasses!

15 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:28:53pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

HEY!
Good to see you around!
You've been scarce.
Busy?

Freekin busy. I quit the evil empire Friday then start my own biz, been planning and scheming.

16 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:29:27pm

re: #12 BigPapa

I have given you all an Amish Computer virus. Since they do not allow electricity and work on a firm honor system, please delete all your files.

Yes, well, as we said at my former place of employment..
"I'll get on it right away!"

17 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:29:36pm

THONK!
heh...

18 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:29:43pm

re: #15 BigPapa

Freekin busy. I quit the evil empire Friday then start my own biz, been planning and scheming.

Good for you!
Best of luck, I hope it works out to be spectacular!

19 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:00pm

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

Yes, well, as we said at my former place of employment..
"I'll get on it right away!"

followed by:
*snicker*

20 simoom  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:09pm

re: #7 Floral Giraffe

"Click to embiggen…"

My regular LCD is briefly away for warranty replacement so I'm using an old 19" CRT running at a resolution of 1024x768. So when I click to embiggen it actually gets smaller :P.

To see the full-sized image I opened it in another tab.

21 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:11pm

Did you hear about the Amish prostitue?

She did 10 men-o-nite.

22 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:57pm

re: #15 BigPapa

Freekin busy. I quit the evil empire Friday then start my own biz, been planning and scheming.

good for you...your own thing is always better than someone else's....it's the American way

23 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:31:42pm

re: #19 reine.de.tout

Nope, everyone knew it meant
"when pigs fly".
SO it was just ignored.
Well, except by the boss.
But she'd just forget, if you ignored it for a week.
(Best part about working for a Ditz? She'd forget!)

24 pharmmajor  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:32:02pm

No DC comics in your collection, Charles?

25 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:32:09pm

re: #20 simoom

My regular LCD is briefly away for warranty replacement so I'm using an old 19" CRT running at a resolution of 1024x768. So when I click to embiggen it actually gets smaller :P.

To see the full-sized image I opened it in another tab.

You Embiggened!
Good for you!
LOL!

26 Bagua  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:32:45pm

re: #10 ryannon

What kid could resist this crap? What kind of adult could even conceive of it?

Image: 1970-comic-book-ad.jpg

Ha! I still remember my disappointment when my submarine arrived and it turned out to be made of cardboard. I had planned a trip to California to visit a friend, starting from the East coast.

27 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:34:50pm

re: #26 Bagua

Ha! I still remember my disappointment when my submarine arrived and it turned out to be made of cardboard. I had planned a trip to California to visit a friend, starting from the East coast.

One of my brothers ordered some sort of something that was supposed to somehow build muscle. I can't recall what it was, I just recall finding out he ordered it and feeling sorry for the poor skinny kid that he wanted to build his muscles. Weird.

28 Irenicum  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:36:09pm

re: #26 Bagua

Hey Bagua, thanks for the Lightning Hopkins. Love it!

29 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:36:30pm

re: #26 Bagua

Ha! I still remember my disappointment when my submarine arrived and it turned out to be made of cardboard. I had planned a trip to California to visit a friend, starting from the East coast.

ARE YOU DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CARDBOARD?
Fascist!

LOL!
Hi Bagua!

30 Irenicum  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:42:35pm

Well, it's late and another busy tomorrow beckons. G'nite lizards!

31 bagua  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:43:00pm

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

Hi sweetheart. I lived near the ocean so I knew right away I'd been conned as cardboard makes a lousy boat. Even the periscope sucked, flimsy plastic thing. My best friend had moved to California so it was an important project for me to get out there and see him. Amazing I still feel disappointed and angry after 40 years...

32 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:43:18pm

re: #30 Irenicum

Well, it's late and another busy tomorrow beckons. G'nite lizards!

Good night!
Tomorrow is another day (better, too, we all hope)

33 bagua  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:44:21pm

re: #30 Irenicum

Well, it's late and another busy tomorrow beckons. G'nite lizards!

Wait! One more for you my friend, something precious.

Needed Time


- Lightnin' Hopkins
34 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:48:01pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

Nope, everyone knew it meant
"when pigs fly".
SO it was just ignored.
Well, except by the boss.
But she'd just forget, if you ignored it for a week.
(Best part about working for a Ditz? She'd forget!)

At my workplace, that's what *snicker* meant.

35 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:56:12pm

re: #31 bagua

Hi sweetheart. I lived near the ocean so I knew right away I'd been conned as cardboard makes a lousy boat. Even the periscope sucked, flimsy plastic thing. My best friend had moved to California so it was an important project for me to get out there and see him. Amazing I still feel disappointed and angry after 40 years...

You could take a short & very sweet vacation...

And, bonus silly fact, Catalina Island protects LA from the chance of a Tsunami wave. Also, Zane Grey was based on Catalina. Big time Swordfisherman!

Nice to "see" you here!

36 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:03:57pm

Chicago shooter: 'Too bad I ran out of bullets'

Three children and an adult were killed early this morning in Chicago’s Marquette Park neighborhood, and a relative from Madison, Wis., whom police believe was the shooter was later taken into custody.

Sources said the shooter told police “Allah” had told him to kill his family.

And he told the officer who arrested him, "Too bad I ran out of bullets," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.

The dead included a woman believed to be the pregnant wife of the shooter; 16-year-old Keyshai Fields, who was four months pregnant; a 3-year-old girl named Keleasha Larry; and a 7-month-old boy who was the shooter's son, according to law enforcement officials and family members.

Family members said the dead 7-month-old was named Jihad.

Jihad is an Arabic word with multiple meanings, including holy war, striving in the way of Allah and struggle.

About an hour and a half after the shootings, police arrested a 32-year-old man at South Racine and West 59th.

ROPMA!

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:09:44pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago shooter: 'Too bad I ran out of bullets'

Three children and an adult were killed early this morning in Chicago’s Marquette Park neighborhood, and a relative from Madison, Wis., whom police believe was the shooter was later taken into custody.

Sources said the shooter told police “Allah” had told him to kill his family.

And he told the officer who arrested him, "Too bad I ran out of bullets," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.

ROPMA!

Oh my God.

(And non-Muslims never, ever, shoot their wives and children. What an exotic crime.)

How's that for a balance between horror and snark?

38 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:12:14pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh my God.

(And non-Muslims never, ever, shoot their wives and children. What an exotic crime.)

How's that for a balance between horror and snark?

jihadis do seem to be particularly blood thirsty...but you're right, we have Bloods and Crips, the Mafia and the anti abortion crowd....America is a violent place

39 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:12:58pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah... I wonder, of all the violent crimes in which the perp claims "God" told him to do it, do we now suspect all of them as being part of some major religious war offensive?

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:14:15pm

BTW, what do folks make of this?

My first, oh-Lord-I'm-going-to-the-special-hell thought was to wonder if, if I 'adopt' a lady in Burkina Faso's clitoris, will they send me a picture of the clitoris, and periodic updates on how it's doing?

That's what they did when I 'adopted' the manatee. And the timberwolf. And the cute little kid from an impoverished Appalachian community.

(This organization seems slightly off to me as well as Caille Millner.)

41 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:15:16pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh my God.

(And non-Muslims never, ever, shoot their wives and children. What an exotic crime.)

How's that for a balance between horror and snark?

I was trying to put my finger on that. It's not uncommon to hear criminals claim that "God made me do it" and it's not specific to any particular religion in the US.

42 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:15:30pm

re: #39 freetoken

Yeah... I wonder, of all the violent crimes in which the perp claims "God" told him to do it, do we now suspect all of them as being part of some major religious war offensive?

we need more perspective...do Catholics kill people? or Baptists?

43 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:16:16pm

re: #38 albusteve

jihadis do seem to be particularly blood thirsty...but you're right, we have Bloods and Crips, the Mafia and the anti abortion crowd...America is a violent place

I don't think any religious group has a monopoly on domestic violence.

44 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:17:10pm

re: #41 Gus 802

I was trying to put my finger on that. It's not uncommon to hear criminals claim that "God made me do it" and it's not specific to any particular religion in the US.

god dictates everything in the Muslim world...you seem a bit behind the curve or am I just another bigot?

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:17:28pm

re: #38 albusteve

jihadis do seem to be particularly blood thirsty...but you're right, we have Bloods and Crips, the Mafia and the anti abortion crowd...America is a violent place

Even beyond that, a man shooting his wife and children is a horrifically common crime. Google variations on the phrase, and prepare to be really, really sad.

46 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:18:13pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

X-ray glasses!

Which my mother would never let me order. I think she was secretly afraid they might work.

Had to get off on looking at lingerie ads, instead.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:18:56pm

re: #42 albusteve

we need more perspective...do Catholics kill people? or Baptists?

Fathers and husbands kill. A lot.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:19:44pm

re: #46 Cato the Elder

Which my mother would never let me order. I think she was secretly afraid they might work.

Had to get off on looking at lingerie ads, instead.

There you are!

You know how you were complaining about not enough poetry in lyrics?

Cato, meet Clutch

49 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20:45pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, what do folks make of this?

My first, oh-Lord-I'm-going-to-the-special-hell thought was to wonder if, if I 'adopt' a lady in Burkina Faso's clitoris, will they send me a picture of the clitoris, and periodic updates on how it's doing?

That's what they did when I 'adopted' the manatee. And the timberwolf. And the cute little kid from an impoverished Appalachian community.

(This organization seems slightly off to me as well as Caille Millner.)

I'm sorry if this seems cruel, but that's just F'ing funny.
Almost worth whatever the price is, to "save" her clitoris!
I am just beyond words.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20:47pm
51 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20:53pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Even beyond that, a man shooting his wife and children is a horrifically common crime. Google variations on the phrase, and prepare to be really, really sad.

I can't...I cannot grieve for every death...strangers come and go and die by all sorts of means...I'm sorry for it but otherwise unmoved, in other words I'm not gonna get really, really sad....a bummer is a bummer

52 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:21:23pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago shooter: 'Too bad I ran out of bullets'

Three children and an adult were killed early this morning in Chicago’s Marquette Park neighborhood, and a relative from Madison, Wis., whom police believe was the shooter was later taken into custody.

Sources said the shooter told police “Allah” had told him to kill his family.

And he told the officer who arrested him, "Too bad I ran out of bullets," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.

ROPMA!

Good thing Christians never wig out and kill their whole families.

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:21:42pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

"Shot his wife and children"

that's the worst google search of all time.

Okay, "harlequin baby" is a worse one, but that's pretty bad!

54 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:21:49pm

re: #46 Cato the Elder

Which my mother would never let me order. I think she was secretly afraid they might work.

Had to get off on looking at lingerie ads, instead.

aha!...you fucking kook

55 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:22:10pm

And, how is Cato tonight?
And the pupperdog?

56 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:22:44pm

re: #54 albusteve

aha!...you fucking kook

Isn't that the point of lingerine ads?
*confused*

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:22:48pm

re: #53 windupbird

that's the worst google search of all time.

Okay, "harlequin baby" is a worse one, but that's pretty bad!

And I had to Google that, didn't I? So that's what the seventh block study hall was trying to show me.

58 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:23:23pm

re: #44 albusteve

god dictates everything in the Muslim world...you seem a bit behind the curve or am I just another bigot?

Doesn't apply in this case. That is I seriously doubt he could point to anything in the Koran that would justify killing his entire family including a friend. It's just another case of a lunatic using his religion as an excuse for his crime which like I said before is not uncommon. If these perps aren't claiming a religion they're also "hearing voices."

No, I don't think you're a bigot. I don't agree but I can understand your concern.

59 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:23:34pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

And I had to Google that, didn't I? So that's what the seventh block study hall was trying to show me.

Thank you for saving me from looking that up.
WHATEVER it is!

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:23:42pm

Goddamn stupid tragedy. What the hell was a sixteen-year-old girl doing being married anyway, let alone to a psycho?

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:24:18pm

re: #59 Floral Giraffe

Thank you for saving me from looking that up.
WHATEVER it is!

Yeah. Don't google it. It seems to be some kind of horrific medical thing.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:24:37pm

re: #59 Floral Giraffe

Thank you for saving me from looking that up.
WHATEVER it is!

DON'T DO IT IT IS GRUESOME

(Google "chakat" instead, at least that's funny)

63 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:25:19pm

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

Isn't that the point of lingerine ads?
*confused*

it's the only time I actually LOL...Cato's posts...he's threatened to come to NM but I'd be worried I'd be wearing the wrong shirt

64 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:25:24pm

re: #55 Floral Giraffe

And, how is Cato tonight?
And the pupperdog?

Cato is on a reading binge. Tonight's book: the original "Scarlet Pimpernel". I'm rolling on the floor, or rather in the bed, laughing.

Puppers is out of sorts because if I roll to much he has to shift position.

65 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:27:11pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

There's always "Sea Slug Obscene" >>

66 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:27:15pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Don't google it. It seems to be some kind of horrific medical thing.

There's (SADLY) just so much info out there, that real people are having to deal with, yet, I just do NOT want to know about. Call me selfish, BUT! I don't need to know about a lot of the illness out there.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:28:18pm

"Shot his computer" yields some funny hits!

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:28:23pm

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

There's (SADLY) just so much info out there, that real people are having to deal with, yet, I just do NOT want to know about. Call me selfish, BUT! I don't need to know about a lot of the illness out there.

One of the troubles of the modern world is that it's easier to find out about the troubles of the modern world than ever before.

You just can't know about everything and stay sane.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:28:32pm

re: #65 windsagio

There's always "Sea Slug Obscene" >>

Please don't

70 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:29:50pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

or if you're oldschool: Shot his TV

re: #69 WindUpBird

No worries. Got lucky once :P

71 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:29:56pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

You just pay attention & be nice to that dog. Mr. Cato. Or the dear pup can come to live in LA. And, no one will assault him in my neighborhood.
LOL! Hope you are well? You old Roman.

72 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:30:40pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

"Shot his computer" yields some funny hits!

I once threw a teevee off the roof of a high-rise, but I swear it was legal at the time.

73 Kruk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:31:03pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

"Shot his computer" yields some funny hits!

Heh. Why would anyone do that when they can CRTL-ALT-DELTE? Or, if you're really stuck, just unplug the battery on the laptop.

74 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:31:13pm

re: #69 WindUpBird

Please don't

Sea Slug was your hint?
Bwahaha!

75 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:31:46pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the troubles of the modern world is that it's easier to find out about the troubles of the modern world than ever before.

You just can't know about everything and stay sane.

Indeed. One of the points Colbert made to the Wikileaks guy. "What about my right not to know?"

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:32:54pm

Interesting statement on FSTDT:

[re: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's]

That statement shows to me Jesus had a sense of humor.

What belongs to Caesar?

It was like Jesus was saying, render nothing to Caesar, because nothing belongs to Caesar.

77 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:33:29pm

By the way, when I saw the title of tonight's comic before looking at the cover, my first thought was of the Silver Surfer doing battle with an ugly resurrected Nazi-era Volkswagen car that just refuses to die...

78 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:33:58pm

Jackie & Dunlap on the creation museum:

79 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:34:36pm

Goodnight all. I have to get to bed.

80 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:34:48pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting statement on FSTDT:

[re: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's]

That statement shows to me Jesus had a sense of humor.

What belongs to Caesar?

It was like Jesus was saying, render nothing to Caesar, because nothing belongs to Caesar.

Nothing belonged to Caesar except the entire Mediterranean and all its surrounding lands, that is...

81 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:35:09pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

I once threw a teevee off the roof of a high-rise, but I swear it was legal at the time.

you actually lived in Detroit?...did you hit the guy?

82 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:36:09pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the troubles of the modern world is that it's easier to find out about the troubles of the modern world than ever before.

You just can't know about everything and stay sane.

Ah the olden days of spending hours at the library reading through 1000s of feet of microfiche or referencing periodical lists. Then when you found what you needed you dropped a dime into the machine to make an electrostatic copy. The other half of that scheme was using the old Funk and Funk & Wagnalls encyclopedia for reference.

83 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:37:11pm

re: #77 Cato the Elder

By the way, when I saw the title of tonight's comic before looking at the cover, my first thought was of the Silver Surfer doing battle with an ugly resurrected Nazi-era Volkswagen car that just refuses to die...

the attack of the Nazi Chicanos!....they almost killed my Type 3

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:37:57pm

And, from Free Conservatives, our thought of the night:

And in Scrooge, I always felt bad for Ebeneezer. The welfare bums wanted a piece of him, but Scrooge was a total badass. He had good traits. He was frugal, hard working and innovative. Its too bad he softened up in that classic. The lefties and the ghosts denutted him and made him their little state bitch, a slave of the poor, guilting the poor bastard to death of his estate. The writer/director had everything upside down in that movie. The lazy asses converted Scrooge. Why couldn't Scrooge have influenced the lazy asses?

85 Kruk  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:39:27pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

And, from Free Conservatives, our thought of the night:

And in Scrooge, I always felt bad for Ebeneezer. The welfare bums wanted a piece of him, but Scrooge was a total badass. He had good traits. He was frugal, hard working and innovative. Its too bad he softened up in that classic. The lefties and the ghosts denutted him and made him their little state bitch, a slave of the poor, guilting the poor bastard to death of his estate. The writer/director had everything upside down in that movie. The lazy asses converted Scrooge. Why couldn't Scrooge have influenced the lazy asses?

Heh. I'd call that a radical interpretation of the text.

(Bonus Marks to anyone who gets that one.)

86 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:39:44pm

re: #81 albusteve

you actually lived in Detroit?...did you hit the guy?

Just his car.

87 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:40:27pm

re: #86 Cato the Elder

Just his car.

same difference

88 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:41:45pm

Let's bring back the good old days of manual type setting.

One. Letter. At. A. Time.

/

89 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:42:00pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. Bob Cratchit was a welfare bum.

It's depressing to think that these people are serious.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:43:07pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Let's bring back the good old days of manual type setting.

One. Letter. At. A. Time.

/

I've done that.

91 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:45:08pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

I've done that.

I either did that in junior high or high school. Nothing too complicated.

92 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:45:17pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Let's bring back the good old days of manual type setting.

One. Letter. At. A. Time.

/

No need for the sarc tag. It is a thriving art form, and people are still doing some amazing things with it.

My 29-volume 1911 edition of the Encyc. Brit. was done that way, twice. Once in the regular encyclopedia format, and again in the "handy volume edition" in mostly six-point type. One letter at a time, with tables, mathematical formulae, and multitudes of quotes in foreign languages. And there are far fewer errors per page than in almost any modern book you'd care to examine and compare with it.

93 albusteve  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:47:06pm

I'm out like Herb Siler....
a four round tomato can

94 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:48:50pm

re: #93 albusteve

The founder of...
Yes, you guessed it...
.
.
.
.
Beef a roni!
but you knew that!

95 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:52:18pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

No need for the sarc tag. It is a thriving art form, and people are still doing some amazing things with it.

My 29-volume 1911 edition of the Encyc. Brit. was done that way, twice. Once in the regular encyclopedia format, and again in the "handy volume edition" in mostly six-point type. One letter at a time, with tables, mathematical formulae, and multitudes of quotes in foreign languages. And there are far fewer errors per page than in almost any modern book you'd care to examine and compare with it.

That's interesting about the errors. One thing I noticed that once I started doing cad drafting my errors increased. There's an increased focus about manual work that decreases the amount of errors in many cases. Perhaps it's because of the slower work pace. Spell checkers can also wreak havoc. Manual work also puts the craftsman in a physically dynamic position whereas computer work tends to create passivity.

96 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:59:25pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

Well, if you ignore the eotains.

97 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:00:30pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

And, from Free Conservatives, our thought of the night:

And in Scrooge, I always felt bad for Ebeneezer. The welfare bums wanted a piece of him, but Scrooge was a total badass. He had good traits. He was frugal, hard working and innovative. Its too bad he softened up in that classic. The lefties and the ghosts denutted him and made him their little state bitch, a slave of the poor, guilting the poor bastard to death of his estate. The writer/director had everything upside down in that movie. The lazy asses converted Scrooge. Why couldn't Scrooge have influenced the lazy asses?

Always a fun read. Here's another nut:

I agree that certain books should be banned. Censorship already exists for the most extreme obscene and terrorist material in libraries. You've got to ask why are standards of morality being constantly eroded? I'm not saying Harry Potter books are going to corrupt a child, but at the least it will desensitize an impressionable mind to the occult. The progessive liberalisation of media is a dangerous road to go down. The effects of desensitivation to sex and violence are all to obvious in declining values and increasing crime (in the UK). I can't see the government doing anything, so I guess self censorship is the answer for those who still care. Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked! Regards, Adam

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98 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:03:01pm

re: #97 Gus 802

Are you saying you don't wanna protect children from the Occult?

99 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:05:17pm

re: #98 windsagio

Are you saying you don't wanna protect children from the Occult?

I guess. One reason for that is because the occult doesn't work. It's just a superstition and Bugs Bunny isn't really a person. ;)

100 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:06:58pm

Over on his Facebook page, author Neil Stephenson asks, "What singular technology would solve most of the world's problems?"

My reply:

"Singular, or single?

"If the former, I'd say you'd have to go the via negativa and prevent a singular technology known as time-travel. It just fucks things up so much. You end up with stuff like the latest Star Trek movie.

"If you meant 'single' as in 'the one that would do the most good', I'd plump for easy-to-install-and-run microbreweries for the Third World, together with the micro-loans to get them started."

101 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:09:47pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Over on his Facebook page, author Neil Stephenson asks, "What singular technology would solve most of the world's problems?"

My reply:

"Singular, or single?

"If the former, I'd say you'd have to go the via negativa and prevent a singular technology known as time-travel. It just fucks things up so much. You end up with stuff like the latest Star Trek movie.

"If you meant 'single' as in 'the one that would do the most good', I'd plump for easy-to-install-and-run microbreweries for the Third World, together with the micro-loans to get them started."

I would say the Mother of All Bombs™ The rough design would be a chemical weapon of sticky bud THC that we could drop on enemy troops in the battlefield.

We could call the first bomb the "Fatty Boy."

/

102 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:13:38pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Hey, it sounds like you singularly whipped his ass in a lexicon singles competition.

103 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:17:42pm

I wish to send a loud fuck you to Britain for the following:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

UK bans Kotel from Israeli tourism ad
By RON FRIEDMAN, JONNY PAUL IN LONDON AND ABE SELI
15/04/2010 03:55

Officials deem image misleading, as it is in "occupied territories."

Images of the Western Wall are no longer allowed in Israeli tourism ads in the UK, after regulators deemed it misleading, as it is in the “occupied territories of the West Bank.”

The Advertising Standard Agency ruled on Wednesday following a complaint that a tourism ad containing a picture of the Western Wall with the Dome of the Rock in the background misleadingly implied that east Jerusalem was part of the State of Israel, resulting in false advertising.

“We noted the ad stated, ‘You can travel the entire length of Israel in 6 hours. Imagine what you can experience in 4 days,” and, “Visit... now for more itineraries in Israel,” and considered that readers were likely to understand that the places featured in the itinerary were all within the State of Israel,” the Advertising Standard Agency said in its ruling.

“We understood, however, that the status of the occupied territory of the West Bank was the subject of much international dispute, and because we considered that the ad implied that the part of east Jerusalem featured in the image was part of the State of Israel, we concluded that the ad was likely to mislead,” the ruling continued.

The Israel Government Tourist Office advertisement was held to have breached the Advertising Standard Agency’s guidelines on truthfulness.

Again, permit me to say a hearty and fullsome FUCK you to the Brits over this.

104 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:22:16pm

re: #102 freetoken

Hey, it sounds like you singularly whipped his ass in a lexicon singles competition.

He's a fun, engaging, and hugely talented writer, but sadly his fans don't seem up to much in the way of original thinking.

There are several who vote for a virus to wipe out the human race. Also more than one cold-fusionist. One person wants to introduce a licensing requirement for human reproduction (and just exactly how is that a technology, rather than an elitist fascist fantasy?).

And near the top is one who recommends "something that would disarm every weapon, simultaneously, and make permanently impossible their repair or replacement (in any form)."

Christ, we're in Harry Potter wishful thinking territory there. And what these people never remember is that anything can be a weapon.

My favorite is rapier wit.

105 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:24:41pm

re: #103 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish to send a loud fuck you to Britain for the following:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

UK bans Kotel from Israeli tourism ad
By RON FRIEDMAN, JONNY PAUL IN LONDON AND ABE SELI
15/04/2010 03:55

Officials deem image misleading, as it is in "occupied territories."

Again, permit me to say a hearty and fullsome FUCK you to the Brits over this.

Seconded. And a cordial "blow it out your ass" to the people who made and would now undo the Balfour Declaration.

106 freetoken  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:25:16pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

Christ, we're in Harry Potter wishful thinking territory there.


In contemporary American society, technology is the new magick.

Probably arises from one too many viewings of "science" fiction TV shows.

107 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:28:29pm

I'm awake at 2:25 am(insomnia!) with a weird craving for Crunchberries cereal.(I don't care if I'm an adult!) I just want to grab my robe, jump in the car, walk barefoot into the grocery store, grab some Cap'n Crunch and some ice cold 2%, come back home and get busy tearing up the roof of my mouth.

The house Nazi...er, my wife won't let me.

108 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:28:37pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

He's a fun, engaging, and hugely talented writer, but sadly his fans don't seem up to much in the way of original thinking.

There are several who vote for a virus to wipe out the human race. Also more than one cold-fusionist. One person wants to introduce a licensing requirement for human reproduction (and just exactly how is that a technology, rather than an elitist fascist fantasy?).

And near the top is one who recommends "something that would disarm every weapon, simultaneously, and make permanently impossible their repair or replacement (in any form)."

Christ, we're in Harry Potter wishful thinking territory there. And what these people never remember is that anything can be a weapon.

My favorite is rapier wit.

That's pretty funny because disabling or effectively disarming the opponent in war is an element of warfare. One current example is electronic countermeasures (ECM). That ability as they state could be considered a weapon itself since nothing is ever applied bilaterally. Otherwise it's wishful thinking.

Best bet is to wait another 2000 years.

109 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:33:23pm

re: #106 freetoken

In contemporary American society, technology is the new magick.

Probably arises from one too many viewings of "science" fiction TV shows.

Oh, there's also one Dawkinsian freak who believes the "abolishment" [sic] of all organized religion would save the world.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

110 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:38:52pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Oh, there's also one Dawkinsian freak who believes the "abolishment" [sic] of all organized religion would save the world.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

Forcing society to abandon anything never worked. In fact, that's been one of the leading causes of conflict in human history. The notion of abolishment would only work by force which itself would be a contradiction to an idea of peace.

111 windsagio  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:41:03pm

re: #110 Gus 802

That as an invention is kinda cool, maybe.

Effective mind control!

112 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:47:09pm

re: #111 windsagio

That as an invention is kinda cool, maybe.

Effective mind control!

THX 1138

That would be a rather strange experience for those that would break the boundary of such control. If it were to be the case then we would be able to create the ideal humans regardless of their beliefs.

In the end, those that couldn't be controlled would be considered obsolete.

113 Gus  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:53:50pm

Dystopia!

And here I was freaking out about my bills, health, and general state of being. The ability to ponder a dystopian future almost seems like a luxury to me now.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:58:18pm

re: #73 Kruk

Heh. Why would anyone do that when they can CRTL-ALT-DELTE? Or, if you're really stuck, just unplug the battery on the laptop.

Ever been rootkitted? Can't reset from that shit :D Find your windows disc, reinstall!

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:00:20am

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

I've done that.

I had a class in typesetting in art school! It was fun, but I'd go insane if that were my job :D

116 Kruk  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:02:23am

re: #114 WindUpBird

Ever been rootkitted? Can't reset from that shit :D Find your windows disc, reinstall!

Heh. If I didn't know the context, I would have assumed "been rootkitted" meant someting very different. :) Also, I don't think I've kept a copy of the Windows disc where I could find it again. I like to live dangerously. :)

117 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:02:54am

re: #115 WindUpBird

Hey WUB, whats an "AMD Kick" as per Posse on Broadway?

118 freetoken  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:03:18am

So I'm going through the list of Netflix play-on-demand online catalog... looking for something to watch before I go to bed, and noticing how I pretty much only look at documentaries any more. Something about dramas, even comedies, just bore me now for some reason.

Anyway, looking through their list of documentaries, and there are some good ones (recommend the Pollan pieces on the food industry), my mind wanders and I imagine the titles of documentaries that I doubt we would ever see on Netflix or broadcast TV.

Such as:

Fluorine: Khrushchev's Secret Weapon!

or

Johnny Appleseed to Sarah Palin: America's Love-Affair with Trees

or perhaps

Man With A Chalk Board - Profiles in American Courage

Nope, don't expect to see those documentaries.

119 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:06:22am

re: #118 freetoken

Glenn Beck: My Days in Paris

Worldly man that he is.

/

120 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:10:50am

re: #118 freetoken

On a serious note. I watched "Something to Cheer About" on Hulu last night. Excellent documentary.

In 1955, Oscar Robertson and his teammates at the segregated Crispus Attucks High School rose from the hatred and racism of the time to be the first all-black team ever to win a state championship.

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:10:59am

re: #116 Kruk

Heh. If I didn't know the context, I would have assumed "been rootkitted" meant someting very different. :) Also, I don't think I've kept a copy of the Windows disc where I could find it again. I like to live dangerously. :)

But yeah, as a dude who'se been into computers frm the age of 6 on, tere re definitely times when I've gotten the rage at the computer. Usually when something has broken, some of my work's been lost, or there's a virus, or some problem is plaguing the machine that's beyond my abilities. :D

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:14:05am

re: #117 windsagio

Hey WUB, whats an "AMD Kick" as per Posse on Broadway?

It's AMG, and they're probably referring to the stance on an AMG Mercedes. AMG is Mercedes performance division, like TRD fr Toyota, or M for BMW.

123 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:15:44am

re: #122 WindUpBird

Aah gotcha, figured you'd know :D

124 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:19:49am

re: #121 WindUpBird

But yeah, as a dude who'se been into computers frm the age of 6 on, tere re definitely times when I've gotten the rage at the computer. Usually when something has broken, some of my work's been lost, or there's a virus, or some problem is plaguing the machine that's beyond my abilities. :D

Thank goodness for autosave files. I can usually recover from a crashed app on a project I'm working on. I've had only a few complete losses in the past 10 years. Best route is to finish work on a file and then later re-open the file and make a new one through a saveas. Then save often. Of course the funny part is that sometimes you'll get some inspiration and get so lost in the work you forget to save and then poof! All gone.

125 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:27:18am
126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:29:07am

re: #124 Gus 802

Thank goodness for autosave files. I can usually recover from a crashed app on a project I'm working on. I've had only a few complete losses in the past 10 years. Best route is to finish work on a file and then later re-open the file and make a new one through a saveas. Then save often. Of course the funny part is that sometimes you'll get some inspiration and get so lost in the work you forget to save and then poof! All gone.

I usually save religiously. Sometimes, though, it happens exactly like you said, you get into a groove, then the machine crashes and then RAGE

127 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:30:08am

speaking of cheering people up, one of my dwarves just went crazy, whacked somebody with the baby she was holding, and then got decapitated.

128 ryannon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:30:18am

re: #13 reine.de.tout

Peace Ring.
Ugly Blackheads out in Seconds!
Hercules Wrist Band
Midget Spy Camera.

Oh heck, look at me.
I'm supposed to be ignoring you.


Heck, let's let bygones....?

(I just woke up and started reading the thread where I left off, which was just before you posted this).

You know, I even ended up apologizing way back at the end of the other thread. I'm not sure you saw it, but it's still there. So once again, I'll say that I regret that bit of unfortunate business. I hope that we don't have to put on our super-dooper invisibility cloaks (only $1.99) when our paths cross from now on, and I wish you the best...

129 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:30:36am

re: #126 WindUpBird

I usually save religiously. Sometimes, though, it happens exactly like you said, you get into a groove, then the machine crashes and then RAGE

Exactly. Happens with those late night or off hours forays.

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:39:24am

re: #127 windsagio

speaking of cheering people up, one of my dwarves just went crazy, whacked somebody with the baby she was holding, and then got decapitated.

Dwarf Fortress is the greatest game of all time


the dwarf is surrounded by the earrings

131 ryannon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:40:12am

re: #72 Cato the Elder

I once threw a teevee off the roof of a high-rise, but I swear it was legal at the time.

I remember that time too. You could put cherry-bombs down an empty quart beer-bottle and run like hell. No one cared, and the police just looked the other way.

/

132 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:42:03am

re: #130 WindUpBird

an even sadder epilogue, a babysnatcher came out right after and kidnapped the baby, to live a life of slavery :(

133 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:43:41am
134 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:46:22am

re: #133 Gus 802

Roxy Music - More Than This


[Video]

W00t! Roxy music!

re: #118 freetoken


Man With A Chalk Board - Profiles in American Courage

Nope, don't expect to see those documentaries.

heh.

S'up, LGF?

135 bagua  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:48:00am

re: #130 WindUpBird

re: #129 Gus 802

You could set Syncback freeware to make an autoback-up of your active work folder, set it for any interval you like. Have it run another profile less frequently that backed up everything else. Makes it effortless.

Ideally you'd have a second hard-disc to hold the backup folder, so it would be safe if your OS drive blew up and needed replacement.

Your only loss would be unsaved open files, but some programs have a feature that will save drafts at a chosen interval.

136 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:48:10am

re: #134 iceweasel

heh.

S'up, LGF?

Hey Ice. Not much. Kvetching to myself.

137 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:50:09am

re: #135 bagua

re: #129 Gus 802

You could set Syncback freeware to make an autoback-up of your active work folder, set it for any interval you like. Have it run another profile less frequently that backed up everything else. Makes it effortless.

Ideally you'd have a second hard-disc to hold the backup folder, so it would be safe if your OS drive blew up and needed replacement.

Your only loss would be unsaved open files, but some programs have a feature that will save drafts at a chosen interval.

Thanks. I use the programs autosave feature. Don't really have a recurring problem with this.

138 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:51:31am

re: #136 Gus 802

Hey Ice. Not much. Kvetching to myself.

Well, I can join in on the general kvetch about computers...had the same experiences as you.

What's shaking? Here and in the world?
I see that there's a wingnutty push on to pretend the tea party folks are normal people, infiltrated by filthy hippies trying to make Reel Amurka look bad....Looks like the dominant meme out there at the moment.

139 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:55:01am

re: #138 iceweasel

Well, I can join in on the general kvetch about computers...had the same experiences as you.

What's shaking? Here and in the world?
I see that there's a wingnutty push on to pretend the tea party folks are normal people, infiltrated by filthy hippies trying to make Reel Amurka look bad...Looks like the dominant meme out there at the moment.

Yeah, apparently that's "proof!" A couple of Tea Party crashers create a website to crash the protest and they're now saying, "see we told you, it's not us it's those left wingers!" Right.

140 Bagua  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:58:34am

re: #137 Gus 802

The auto-save is key, of course, and set at very short interval, but without another copy it still lets you down when the disc crashes or that sector gets damaged. Having a copy on a separate disc saves the day.

Notice I don't tell anyone "Back up your computer" or "back up your files", rather I say take a few moments and set up a totally automatic back-up that you don't have to think about. Just confirm its working. Set it and forget it.

141 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:10:22am
142 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:11:45am

Catching up on what's new here-- I see we have some new people, yay!

I liked this comment from Renaissance Man:

(excerpt)

Frequent arguments here on LGF revolve around whether the obvious racist and atavistic bent of the Tea Parties should be taken as meaning that all Tea Partiers are racists. I think that argument, while it has merit, does not get at the real heart of the issue. Which is, I believe, that this Conservative movement may or may not one that naturally attracts racists, secessionists, and others of dark intent, but it is a cult that creates a certain dogma and immunity to facts in those that adhere to it. In other words, whether a given Tea Partier is a racist/secessionist/worse is not necessarily the point; the point is that his belief set is more or less what the strong personalities and leaders in the cult say they are.

It's a frightening thing, I think. Because if it were merely a problem of differing political beliefs or outdated ideas, weight of evidence and the power of persuasion could be used. But when dealing with a cult mentality, weight of evidence and persuasion are of limited use, if not totally useless. And I think that's very, very grim indeed for the future of political discourse in this country.

Whole comment strikes me as spot on, really. He says "It's a cult, and one that has been carefully made over the past 15 years or so. Its tenets are based on articles of faith and beliefs that are increasingly at odds with objective reality, and these beliefs are not dependent on reason, factual argument, or contrary evidence"

I'd say that's right, but that the cult has been crafted over 30 years, and it's only the last ten or so that it's taken over the GOP entirely. (in my opinion it was crafted under Reagan quite cynically as a means of lassoing the 'religious right', the 'culture war', but now the lunatic base (magician apprentices' broomsticks) are running the show.

143 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:20:48am

re: #142 iceweasel

Catching up on what's new here-- I see we have some new people, yay!

I liked this comment from Renaissance Man:

(excerpt)

Whole comment strikes me as spot on, really. He says "It's a cult, and one that has been carefully made over the past 15 years or so. Its tenets are based on articles of faith and beliefs that are increasingly at odds with objective reality, and these beliefs are not dependent on reason, factual argument, or contrary evidence"

I'd say that's right, but that the cult has been crafted over 30 years, and it's only the last ten or so that it's taken over the GOP entirely. (in my opinion it was crafted under Reagan quite cynically as a means of lassoing the 'religious right', the 'culture war', but now the lunatic base (magician apprentices' broomsticks) are running the show.

30 years would put it exactly when the religious right came to the forefront in the media by way of the televangelists. The year I usually note is 1980. Having "been there" I remember it well when these crackpots made themselves known: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and others. It was atavistic in nature then as it is now.

144 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:26:39am

re: #143 Gus 802

30 years would put it exactly when the religious right came to the forefront in the media by way of the televangelists. The year I usually note is 1980. Having "been there" I remember it well when these crackpots made themselves known: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and others. It was atavistic in nature then as it is now.

I pretty much would associate it with the televangelists, probably, because of my age. I couldn't even vote then but my first interests in politics would all be around then, and mine were associated with Operation Rescue and reproductive rights.

I think the culture war narrative would naturally have its seeds in the 70's-- ERA was still an issue in the 1980 election, somewhat (at least in so far as the 'fringe' candidate Anderson was the only one supporting it still). Plus the backlash against the social progress of the 70's, naturally.

145 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:28:27am

"Those Shadowy Arms Dealers"

Time Covers -The 80S
TIME cover 01-19-1987 Arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi.

Adnan Khashoggi (Arabic: عدنان خاشقجي‎; born 25 July 1935) is a Turkish-Saudi Arabian arms-dealer and businessman. He is also noted for his engagements with high society in both the Occidental and Arabic-speaking worlds, and for his involvement in the Iran–Contra and Lockheed bribery scandals, and numerous other affairs.

Khashoggi was educated at Victoria College in Alexandria, Egypt, California State University, Chico, Ohio State University, and Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, USA. It is said that Khashoggi quit his studies in order to seek his fortune in business.

Ah, those wonderful 80s.

146 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:33:11am

re: #144 iceweasel

I pretty much would associate it with the televangelists, probably, because of my age. I couldn't even vote then but my first interests in politics would all be around then, and mine were associated with Operation Rescue and reproductive rights.

I think the culture war narrative would naturally have its seeds in the 70's-- ERA was still an issue in the 1980 election, somewhat (at least in so far as the 'fringe' candidate Anderson was the only one supporting it still). Plus the backlash against the social progress of the 70's, naturally.

Oh, for sure. The main mouth piece against the ERA being Phyllis Schlafly who is still making a dent within wingnut circles. Now her son with pathetic Conservapedia. She was annoying then as she is now. The same holds true with Operation Rescue. These are the same people I knew from my younger years.

I assume you mean John Anderson?

147 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:36:15am

"Stop ERA"

Schlafly became the most visible and effective opponent of the Equal Rights Amendment during the 1970s as the organizer of the "Stop the ERA" movement, widely credited with stopping it from achieving ratification by its legislative deadline. "STOP" is also a recursive acronym for "Stop Taking our Privileges", because Schlafly argues the amendment, if passed and ratified, would take away privileges enjoyed by American women, including "dependent wife" benefits under Social Security and exemption from Selective Service registration.

By the time Schlafly began campaigning in 1972, the amendment had already been ratified by 30 of the necessary 38 states. However, Schlafly was successful in organizing a grassroots campaign to oppose further states' ratifications. Five more states ratified ERA after Schlafly launched her opposition campaign, though an additional five state legislatures voted to rescind their ratifications. The last state to ratify was Indiana, where then State Senator Wayne Townsend, a Democrat, cast the tie-breaking vote for ratification in January 1977. In opposing ERA, Schlafly argued that "the ERA would lead to women being drafted by the military and to public unisex bathrooms." Her views were opposed by Pro-ERA groups, led by the National Organization for Women (NOW) and the ERAmerica coalition. The amendment was narrowly defeated, despite having achieved ratification in 35 states.

148 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:36:44am

re: #146 Gus 802

Oh, for sure. The main mouth piece against the ERA being Phyllis Schlafly who is still making a dent within wingnut circles. Now her son with pathetic Conservapedia. She was annoying then as she is now. The same holds true with Operation Rescue. These are the same people I knew from my younger years.

I assume you mean John Anderson?

Sure do!

It's so interesting how so many of these old culture warriors are now back. Operation Rescue, Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly-- tho andrew was back a couple of years ago with conservapedia etc. Look at CPAC or teabagging conventions. The Concerned Women for America-- the fuck?
These names from back then, right up front again.

149 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:40:13am

re: #147 Gus 802

"Stop ERA"

Wow, this is hilarious-- I had no idea the ERA had been around that long and that opposition to it had been going on that long.

By the time Schlafly began campaigning in 1972, the amendment had already been ratified by 30 of the necessary 38 states

So that's a whole year before we even had Roe v Wade, and it might be the year, or the year after, some Ivy League places started (reluctantly) admitting women.

150 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:42:10am

re: #148 iceweasel

Sure do!

It's so interesting how so many of these old culture warriors are now back. Operation Rescue, Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly-- tho andrew was back a couple of years ago with conservapedia etc. Look at CPAC or teabagging conventions. The Concerned Women for America-- the fuck?
These names from back then, right up front again.

It's a lot of the same people. Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich, Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly, James Dobson, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, etc. About the only well known new faces are Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. Media wise it's still Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and the late comer Bill O'Reilly. If you dig deeper into other media outlets like Human Events or the Washington Times you can find some of the old timers that made themselves known as segregationists. Human Events has a few that make Robert Stacy McCain seem like a modernist. They of course always play a role at the conservative event, CPAC.

151 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:43:55am

re: #149 iceweasel

So that's a whole year before we even had Roe v Wade, and it might be the year, or the year after, some Ivy League places started (reluctantly) admitting women.

It was around for ages. Even Texas ratified it. Odd isn't it?

152 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:43:57am

BTW, have people already discussed here Mississippi's interesting history with the 13th Amendment? Just learning some stuff...whoa.

153 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:47:21am

if people haven't seen it, this is very worth reading the whole thing:

In 1995 Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery. This grated on the “State’s Rights” folks because the State of Mississippi had passed their own law to ban slavery back in 1869 and they thought that should be enough. Like good Confederates the idea that they were part of a Union with Federal Laws that also had to be obeyed seemed to be a moral outrage to these racist deadenders. But in 1995 the media glare was on Mississippi and so they voted to ratify the 13th Amendment. The news was reported and the fact of the vote was noted as a ratification, but in order to be official the State of Mississippi had to send notice of the vote to the US Archivist. Somehow, over the last 15 years Mississippi has been unable to take that step and make their ratification of outlawing slavery official.

BTW, this is relevant and not just a 'haha, silly procedural error' because of the current drive for us all to honour Confederate History Month and mysteriously forget that it had anything to do with, you know, slavery....

154 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:47:54am

re: #152 iceweasel

BTW, have people already discussed here Mississippi's interesting history with the 13th Amendment? Just learning some stuff...whoa.

I'm still learning. Mississippi was ground zero for segregationists. That's where the White Citizen's Councils was born. Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment in 1995. That was 130 years after they rejected it or 15 years ago. Rather disgusting if you think about it.

155 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:51:37am

Confederate History Month: Stolen Labor

re: #154 Gus 802

I'm still learning. Mississippi was ground zero for segregationists. That's where the White Citizen's Councils was born. Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment in 1995. That was 130 years after they rejected it or 15 years ago. Rather disgusting if you think about it.

They finally ratified it but it still isn't official because they have 'forgotten' since 95 to send it to the archivist:

In a post last night MattR pointed out that Mississippi did not ratify the 13th Amendment until 1995. That was a pretty amazing factoid on its own, but then as I did a little research on the subject today I came across a very interesting footnote on USConstitution.net a long time site dedicated to the history of the US Constitution (emphasis added):

* Mississippi ratified the amendment in 1995, but because the state never officially notified the US Archivist, the ratification is not official.

Haven't checked any of this yet myself, but wtf?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

156 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:51:54am

re: #153 iceweasel

if people haven't seen it, this is very worth reading the whole thing:

BTW, this is relevant and not just a 'haha, silly procedural error' because of the current drive for us all to honour Confederate History Month and mysteriously forget that it had anything to do with, you know, slavery...

And if I'm not mistaken Mississippi has one of the highest poverty rates in the country. It's a poor state that relies on Federal entitlement programs.

157 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:56:01am

re: #156 Gus 802

And if I'm not mistaken Mississippi has one of the highest poverty rates in the country. It's a poor state that relies on Federal entitlement programs.

Heart of the KKK too, right? Once upon a time, anyway.

158 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:56:07am

re: #155 iceweasel

Confederate History Month: Stolen Labor

Haven't checked any of this yet myself, but wtf?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

This is long but here's a portrait of Mississippi:

# Whites in Mississippi today have a human development level comparable to that of the average American circa 1997. African Americans in the state, on average, experience the level of access to choices and opportunities of the average American in 1974--a 23-year gap between the two groups.

# When geography and race are combined, the gap nearly triples. White Mississippians living in Hinds County have a human development level roughly comparable to that of top-ranked Connecticut. African-Americans living in Pike-Adams have human development level of the average American circa 1960.

# While the range of earnings for whites in all county groups spans from $22,000 to $38,000, for African Americans, the earnings range is $13,000 to $25,000. In other words, whites who are worst off in the state in terms of income are still better off than the majority of African Americans.

# The median earnings of African American men, $20,368, are comparable to those of the typical American in 1970. African American women have median earnings of $ 14,915 - less than the earnings of the typical American in 1960.

# Although whites have higher well-being scores than African Americans in every U.S. state, Mississippi is among the four states with the largest disparities between the two groups. (The others are Louisiana, Nebraska, and Alabama.)

# Though whites are doing better than African Americans in Mississippi, they are doing less well than whites in other states. On the overall Index, whites in Mississippi rank 48th on the state list. They are 46th in education and are tied for last with West Virginia whites in terms of health. They perform somewhat better on the income index, ranking 40th on the list. A white resident of Washington D.C., which has the country's highest score for whites, lives eight years longer, earns 2.4 times more, and is five times more likely to have a college degree than a white resident of Mississippi.

# African Americans in Mississippi, on average, are worse off than African Americans in most other states. Of the 39 states with an African American population sufficiently large to be included in this analysis, Mississippi ranks second-to-last on the overall state index as well as on the health index and income index (Louisiana is last) and last on the education index. Compared to an African American from Mississippi, an African American living in Maryland lives four years longer, earns twice as much, and is twice as likely to have a college degree.

# The average cost per year of keeping an inmate in prison in Mississippi in 2006 was $15,000; the average expenditure per pupil for elementary and junior high school in the state that same year was just over $7,000. Thus the state is spending twice as much per prisoner as it is on education per schoolchild.

# An African-American baby boy born today in Mississippi can expect to have a lifespan shorter than that of the average American in 1960.

That's from 2009 or 14 years after Mississippi finally and officially outlawed slavery.

You think there's a connection to that? I sure do. If you look at the history of this country it's fraught with poverty and ignorance and rather archaic ideas as promoted by corrupt politicians.

159 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:55am

re: #157 iceweasel

Heart of the KKK too, right? Once upon a time, anyway.

Had to check. The KKK was first established in Tennessee. Outgrowth of the post Civil War era.

Six middle-class Confederate veterans from Pulaski, Tennessee, created the original Ku Klux Klan on December 24, 1865, in the immediate aftermath of the American Civil War. The origin of the group's name became the subject of speculation by the media and opponents in their early years, with theories ranging from Mexican mythology to one popularly held idea - still circulated - that the words "ku" and "klux" were onomatopoetic words for the sounds of loading and locking a bolt-action rifle. In truth, the name was formed by combining the Greek kyklos (κυκλος, circle) with clan. Indeed, the group was known for a very short time as the "Kuklux Clan." The Ku Klux Klan was one among a number of secret, oath-bound organizations using violence, including the Southern Cross in New Orleans (1865), and the Knights of the White Camellia (1867) in Louisiana.

160 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:03:33am

re: #158 Gus 802

That's from 2009 or 14 years after Mississippi finally and officially outlawed slavery.

You think there's a connection to that? I sure do. If you look at the history of this country it's fraught with poverty and ignorance and rather archaic ideas as promoted by corrupt politicians.

You're damn right I do.
From your link:

The report provided a state-by-state analysis using a numerical measure of well-being and opportunity made up of health, education, and income indicators.

A Portrait of Mississippi, the first-ever human development report at the state level, was commissioned by Oxfam American and the Mississippi State Conference of the NAACP as a follow-up to the state's extremely low ranking on the national index. While many of the Gulf states have some of the country's lowest levels of educational attainment, income, and life expectancy, Mississippi ranks last in the nation on overall human development.

Just adding this for the AM Wingnut Wave crew who won't look at your link and will whine-- you know, the "What's 'human development'? Is it how in touch are they with their feelings?" crowd.
Yes, asshats, it's education, (gasp) HEAlTh! and income. Get out your Galt schtick.

Mississippi is fucked up. Let's face it.

161 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:33am

re: #159 Gus 802

Yeah, but Mississippi had the Goodman, Chaney, and Schwermer(?) murders-- civil rights workers, and more.

162 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:10:00am

re: #161 iceweasel

Yeah, but Mississippi had the Goodman, Chaney, and Schwermer(?) murders-- civil rights workers, and more.

It did. Here's the first racist groups coming from Mississippi:

Red Shirts (Southern United States)

The Red Shirts or Redshirts of the Southern United States were white paramilitary groups in the 19th century, active primarily after the formal Reconstruction era of the United States. They first arose in Mississippi in 1875, when conservative rifle clubs and private militias adopted red shirts to make themselves more visible and threatening to Republicans, both whites and freedmen. Similar groups formed in other Southern states and also adopted Red Shirts.

They were Democrats then but that changed in 1964 as the Dixiecrats switched parties and became Republicans. Also of note, and this is important. There's a lot revisionist thinking about Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley regarding civil rights but they were steadfast against civil rights and for segregation since the 1950s.

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:58am

re: #160 iceweasel

ahahahaha AM wingnut wave :D

CATCH THE WAVE

164 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:48am

re: #162 Gus 802

Also of note, and this is important. There's a lot revisionist thinking about Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley regarding civil rights but they were steadfast against civil rights and for segregation since the 1950s.

That is important. I was thinking about it the other day. I think many of us need to point this out-- the revisionist thinking regarding Goldwater and Buckley.
I think maybe 90 percent of the people here who call themselves Goldwater conservatives don't know much about Goldwater.

IMO Goldwater was sort of the Ron Paul of 64. People who now revere him don't seem to grasp that.

165 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:59am

re: #163 WindUpBird

ahahahaha AM wingnut wave :D

CATCH THE WAVE

I (Heart) Corporations.

It's all the Muslims fault.

/Hide your feelings in a spin off link.

/

166 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:27am

Download and play this.


Occasionally somebody comes up with a little game (this one's only 10 minutes long) that is just a revelation.

Storytelling and art and beauty and difficulty all rolled into one. I'm really stunned.

(from: TIGsource)

167 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:18am

re: #163 WindUpBird

ahahahaha AM wingnut wave :D

CATCH THE WAVE

lol. YES.

Wingnut Wave, every AM. ;)

168 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:37am

re: #167 iceweasel

They get all annoyed when you call it htat :P

169 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:42am

re: #164 iceweasel

That is important. I was thinking about it the other day. I think many of us need to point this out-- the revisionist thinking regarding Goldwater and Buckley.
I think maybe 90 percent of the people here who call themselves Goldwater conservatives don't know much about Goldwater.

IMO Goldwater was sort of the Ron Paul of 64. People who now revere him don't seem to grasp that.

There's a reason why Goldwater lost. Buckley was what we would call today an asshole in the 1950s.

170 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:18:08am

re: #169 Gus 802

A crypto-nazi?

171 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:19:00am

re: #170 windsagio

A crypto-nazi?

Channeling Gore Vidal. No wait, he's still alive.

/

172 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:19:24am

re: #165 Gus 802

I (Heart) Corporations.

It's all the Muslims fault.

/Hide your feelings in a spin off link.

/

I'm gonna' post me a link to a site that hates on Soros-- it may be to a holocaust denial site, or possibly a LaRouche pub, who knows? I just google and gotta' git posting.

Then I gotta' marinate a rack of lamb in cigarette ash. /

173 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:20:15am

re: #171 Gus 802

That was really emblematic of what I want left/right conflict to be (at least from being on the left).

Calling your opponent a 'faggot' and threatening to punch him in his nose sounds like a teaparty thing for sure :D

174 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:20:49am

re: #172 iceweasel

I'm gonna' post me a link to a site that hates on Soros-- it may be to a holocaust denial site, or possibly a LaRouche pub, who knows? I just google and gotta' git posting.

Then I gotta' marinate a rack of lamb in cigarette ash. /

Yep. The key being to set up the spin off link in a non active thread. It's the new Lizard Lounge.

175 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:13am

re: #173 windsagio

err that came out garbled: I mean if there has to be a conflict, I wanna be the smart, smug one, and they can be the violent homophobe :D

176 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:39am

re: #169 Gus 802

There's a reason why Goldwater lost. Buckley was what we would call today an asshole in the 1950s.

Yes. And yet I've seen many a paean to Buckley here referencing exactly that, and how 'classy' he was towards Vidal. Fancy that.

177 windsagio  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:14am

really just wanted to stop by and post that game.

Sad as it is I'm gonna go to bed so I can argue with people about Obama and NASA tomorrow :D

178 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:35am

re: #174 Gus 802

Yep. The key being to set up the spin off link in a non active thread. It's the new Lizard Lounge.

Notice that it's always the same people, and the same stories? Often to ones that are like 3 days old?
Then we'll see the same 'random' links 'randomly' posted for a whole week. Same people, as ever.

Yeah, I think it's been noticed. /

179 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:25:17am

re: #173 windsagio

That was really emblematic of what I want left/right conflict to be (at least from being on the left).

Calling your opponent a 'faggot' and threatening to punch him in his nose sounds like a teaparty thing for sure :D

They both had a thing about wars. Oddly enough, or not so oddly enough, Goldwater was a ferry pilot in WWII. Buckley also never made it to the "front" either. Both a couple of momma's boys that received special treatment.

180 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:27:23am

re: #178 iceweasel

Notice that it's always the same people, and the same stories? Often to ones that are like 3 days old?
Then we'll see the same 'random' links 'randomly' posted for a whole week. Same people, as ever.

Yeah, I think it's been noticed. /

Yes. It's the same couple of Lizards. They never make any comments here. They just hide in the spin offs and keep posting the same anti-Obama links ever single day.

181 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:28:01am

re: #180 Gus 802

Every single day. Not ever. Woops.

182 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:31:49am

re: #180 Gus 802

Yes. It's the same couple of Lizards. They never make any comments here. They just hide in the spin offs and keep posting the same anti-Obama links ever single day.

Wacko.
Though I must say Charles has cleaned out the most egregious offenders in links. Mostly blogwhores.

Now we still have a few that link other places in spinoffs, but it's the same mind-numbing and disreputable ODS! ODS! stuff 24/7.

183 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:03am

re: #182 iceweasel

Wacko.
Though I must say Charles has cleaned out the most egregious offenders in links. Mostly blogwhores.

Now we still have a few that link other places in spinoffs, but it's the same mind-numbing and disreputable ODS! ODS! stuff 24/7.

What happens is that they post a link and see it as fact. It doesn't even have to be news. It could be to a blogger but they'll still see it as fact. You can't even argue with them since there's this little spin-off link clique that you have to tiptoe about.

184 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:41:55am

re: #183 Gus 802

What happens is that they post a link and see it as fact. It doesn't even have to be news. It could be to a blogger but they'll still see it as fact. You can't even argue with them since there's this little spin-off link clique that you have to tiptoe about.

I must also say that I find some of the tastiest troll hunting of late to be taking place in spinoffs and in comments on spinoffs. Raw meat, there. ;)

185 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:50:41am

re: #184 iceweasel

I must also say that I find some of the tastiest troll hunting of late to be taking place in spinoffs and in comments on spinoffs. Raw meat, there. ;)

A lot of it is angst. I'm surprised that we don't see more comments in most of those links. One of the current trends is they'll post a link and think make a comment on the link they posted. The majority of what I'm talking about is anti-Obama links that portend to cast him as being anti-Israel. Recently it's also been regarding the nuclear weapons negotiations. It's odd though. Calling him "Obama." He is the president. But that's not unusual. We get a lot of acronyms such as ROP, MFMSM, BHO, etc. The depersonalization is obvious.

186 Gus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:59:59am

Later! Sleep... Bye Ice.

187 researchok  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:09:59am

Morning, all

188 simoom  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:42:49am

CBS/NYT has up a bunch of Tea Party polling data:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Twenty-four percent of Tea Party supporters say it is sometimes justified to take violent action against the government. That compares to 16 percent of Americans overall who say violence against the government is sometimes justified.

Sixty-three percent say they get the majority of their political and current events news on television from the Fox News Channel, compared to 23 percent of Americans overall.

...

An overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters, 84 percent, say the views of the Tea Party movement reflect the views of most Americans. But Americans overall disagree: Just 25 percent say the Tea Party movement reflects their beliefs, while 36 percent say it does not.


[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

... the Tea Party movement is 89 percent white and just one percent black.
...
Asked if too much has been made of the problems facing African-Americans, 52 percent said yes.

That compares to 28 percent of Americans overall who say too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, and 23 percent of non-Tea Party whites who say as much.


[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Tea Party "activists," defined as those who have attended a rally or donated money to the movement, make up a small portion of the group, but they are even more pessimistic about the direction of the country, and more negative about President Obama, than Tea Partiers overall ...
These activists make up 20 percent of Tea Party supporters and 4 percent of Americans overall.

...

Twenty-four percent of Tea Partiers think violent action against the government could be justified, but that number rises to 32 percent among Tea Party activists.

More than three in four Tea Party activists get their television political news from Fox News Channel.


[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Although the Constitution requires American presidents to be natural born citizens, as many as 30 percent of Tea Partiers say they think President Obama was born in another country, according to a new CBS News/ New York Times poll. More Tea Partiers, however, at 41 percent, say he was born in the U.S.


[Link: www.cbsnews.com...] (PDF)

When supporters of the Tea Party are asked to volunteer what they like least about the President, the top answer is they just don’t like him, mentioned by 19%. This is followed by 11% who say he is turning the U.S. more toward socialism, his health care reforms (10%), and that he is dishonest (9%).

...

Half of Tea Partiers also describe themselves as middle class – yet most see the President as working mainly for the poor. 56% of Tea Party supporters say his policies favor the poor, but among Americans overall, just 27% think this.
189 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:47:40am

re: #185 Gus 802

A lot of it is angst. I'm surprised that we don't see more comments in most of those links. One of the current trends is they'll post a link and think make a comment on the link they posted. The majority of what I'm talking about is anti-Obama links that portend to cast him as being anti-Israel. Recently it's also been regarding the nuclear weapons negotiations. It's odd though. Calling him "Obama." He is the president. But that's not unusual. We get a lot of acronyms such as ROP, MFMSM, BHO, etc. The depersonalization is obvious.

If one calls the President by his surname or by using his initials, that alone is neither odd, unusual, "depersonalizing", or anything else, IMO. The context of the usage may supply a negative tinge to the usage, but that is different than jumping to negative pseudo-psychological conclusions based solely on one's own version of what is politically correct.

190 simoom  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:45am

re: #188 simoom

Actually, the NYT has all the polling data much better organized than CBS:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

191 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:54:29am

re: #185 Gus 802

Calling him "Obama." He is the president.

Every President in my lifetime has been called by either his last name alone or some other form besides "President (full 1st name) (full last name)

Eisenhower (Ike)
Kennedy (JFK)
Johnson (LBJ)
etc etc

Even back then (late 50's, early 60's) when things were no where near as informal as they are these days

192 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:55:43am

I see that the Tea party is already voicing a lot of concern about potential "infiltrators".

Which is just great for them. any signs of of excesses, over-the-top racism, incitement to violence or even bad spelling will just break down into a squabble over whether those were "real" or "fake" Tea-partiers...

193 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:56:18am

re: #191 sattv4u2

Calling him "Obama." He is the president.

Every President in my lifetime has been called by either his last name alone or some other form besides "President (full 1st name) (full last name)

Eisenhower (Ike)
Kennedy (JFK)
Johnson (LBJ)
etc etc

Even back then (late 50's, early 60's) when things were no where near as informal as they are these days

It is a bit of a giveaway when they just call him "Hussein"...

194 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:58:55am

re: #193 ralphieboy

It is a bit of a giveaway when they just call him "Hussein"...

I agree. But thats not what Gus posted, which IS what I responded too!

Again, every President has had their detractors who called them derogatory names (Bush= Shrub,,,, Clinton = Bubba)

195 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:41am

re: #188 simoom

An overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters, 84 percent, say the views of the Tea Party movement reflect the views of most Americans. But Americans overall disagree: Just 25 percent say the Tea Party movement reflects their beliefs, while 36 percent say it does not.

Populist spiels always claim to reflect the views of the "average" American or, to use an '80s expression, the "silent majority". No wonder then that the people polled seem to have swallowed this hype.
Still, for 25% of Americans overall to agree with the tea partiers is a very substantial endorsement, is it not?

196 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:03:29am

re: #195 Spare O'Lake

Populist spiels always claim to reflect the views of the "average" American or, to use an '80s expression, the "silent majority". No wonder then that the people polled seem to have swallowed this hype.
Still, for 25% of Americans overall to agree with the tea partiers is a very substantial endorsement, is it not?

Thats Allotta Wing(nuts)!

197 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:05:56am

Basic Instinct is on HBO/ West

I'll let you know when Sharon Stone crossed her legs in the interview scene!

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:09:53am
199 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:10:39am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here's a gratuitous beaver shot...

DAM(n)

200 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:23am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sitting there with just your tie on!?!?!

201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:29am

re: #190 simoom

First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.

202 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:12:54am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.

C'mon. You know as well as I. Only FOX News and Rasmussan are "slanted"!
/

203 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:02am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.

Agenda?!?
No way!
/

204 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:15am

re: #194 sattv4u2

I agree. But thats not what Gus posted, which IS what I responded too!

Again, every President has had their detractors who called them derogatory names (Bush= Shrub,,, Clinton = Bubba)


let us not forget "Tricky Dick"

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:55am

re: #185 Gus 802

I find myself typing Obama and erasing it or inserting President Obama when making comments. I do use his initials from time to time for brevity.

W and Dubya were popular terms for President Bush.

Oh, that and Hitler.

206 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:50am

re: #199 sattv4u2

DAM(n)

Nice piece of tail.

207 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:17am

bushhitlercheneyhaliburton

208 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:58am

re: #204 ralphieboy

let us not forget "Tricky Dick"

Thats my point. So Gus getting flummoxed because someone posts "Obama" instead of "President Barack Obama" is selective outrage, imho

209 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:26am

OO ,,OO ,,, The interview scene is starting (Basic Instinct ,, Sharon Stone)

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:02am

For all to see.
[Link: punditkitchen.com...]

211 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:18:10am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I find myself typing Obama and erasing it or inserting President Obama when making comments. I do use his initials from time to time for brevity.

W and Dubya were popular terms for President Bush.

Oh, that and Hitler.

no way. Only teabaggerwingnuts use derogatory terms for a POTUS !

212 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:18:43am

THERE ,,,, SHE DID IT ,, SHE CROSSED HER LEGS !!!

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:51am

re: #212 sattv4u2

THERE ,,, SHE DID IT ,, SHE CROSSED HER LEGS !!!

Nice beaver.
Leslie Neilson-Naked Gun

214 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:33am

I would like to take a moment to thank the Baltimore Oriels for being the Tampa Bay Rays bitch.

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:30:01am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Thank you. I just had it stuffed."
-Priscella Presley

216 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:31:39am

re: #211 sattv4u2

no way. Only teabaggerwingnuts use derogatory terms for a POTUS !

Right, but just as there was no excuse for calling Bush "Hitler", there is no excuse for vilifying Obama either. Also, because Obama is not white, care must be taken not to use derogatory terms which can be interpreted as being racist.
Just sayin'.

217 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:33:08am

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Thank you. I just had it stuffed."
-Priscella Presley

I don't know if I drink so much because my wife left me, or if my wife left me because I drink so much. But, fuck it anyway.
-Leaving Las Vegas (GREAT soundtrack, BTW)

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:36:53am

re: #216 Spare O'Lake

Have you heard one yet that has not been interpreted yet as racist?

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:27am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did the same thing with President Bush. Would type "Bush" then erase it and type "President Bush"... I'm sure I slipped sometimes.

It is simply about brevity.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:56am

re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nicolas Cage (before he became a pod person) and Elisabeth Shue. Loves me some Elisabeth Shue.

221 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:02am

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you heard one yet that has not been interpreted yet as racist?

Shit, calling Obama by his own name is racist. Disagreeing with his policies is racist as well.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:50am

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did the same thing with President Bush. Would type "Bush" then erase it and type "President Bush"... I'm sure I slipped sometimes.

It is simply about brevity.

I used to call President Obama "Zero." But now I try to address him properly.

223 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:21am

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did the same thing with President Bush. Would type "Bush" then erase it and type "President Bush"... I'm sure I slipped sometimes.

It is simply about brevity.


Again, ever since I was a kid I can recall people using just the current presidents last name (or nickname) during informal discussions (see my #191)

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:52am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nicolas Cage (before he became a pod person) and Elisabeth Shue. Loves me some Elisabeth Shue.

Marisa Hartigay (sp?) was in the movie as well. I think I love her.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:42:28am

re: #223 sattv4u2

Again, ever since I was a kid I can recall people using just the current presidents last name (or nickname) during informal discussions (see my #191)

Like for example, my mother used to call President Reagan, "That fucking Reagan"...

(jk, my mom is a saintly virgin)

226 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:45:02am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sofía Vergara

End of discussion

227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:14am

re: #226 sattv4u2

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sofía Vergara

End of discussion

[Link: www.google.com...]

228 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:02am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.google.com...]

Please ,, stop ,, I'm at work!

229 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:08am
230 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:57am

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you heard one yet that has not been interpreted yet as racist?

Touché. I should have said "reasonably interpreted".

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:58am

re: #228 sattv4u2

Please ,, stop ,, I'm at work!

Just lock the bathroom door!!
///

232 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:01am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.google.com...]

OK, now I'm awake.

233 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:48am

re: #229 MandyManners

Which reminds me

3 times a year (today being one of them) I get my FREE annual credit report from one of the three reporting agencies (today was Equifax)

All the info IS free on all three, although if you want your credit score you will have to pay (like 8 bucks) and you can for free see if there is anything amiss, or if anyone has been making inquiries about you

annualcreditreport.com

You can get to all three agencies from here, but can only have a free one once a year from each. So, every 4 months I get a different agencies report

234 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:17am
235 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:34am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

The Beatles - Taxman

[Video]

Dagnabit. Beat me to it. You fiend.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:52am

Jerry Jones, drunk. Tebow and Parcells mentioned. Heh.
[Link: deadspin.com...]

237 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:16am

re: #235 MandyManners

Dagnabit. Beat me to it. You fiend.

Heh.

Does this bring back memories?

Schoolhouse Rock - Tax Man Max

238 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:59am

re: #208 sattv4u2

Thats my point. So Gus getting flummoxed because someone posts "Obama" instead of "President Barack Obama" is selective outrage, imho

Oh, hell!
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the correct spelling of a person's name when referring to them.

I too use "Obama" at times, as I used "Bush"; "the President" at other times (for either of them) ; or "President Obama" at still other times (just as I used President Bush").

One of those forms is incorrect?

239 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:56:22am

re: #233 sattv4u2

The Kid loves to sing the songs from those "Freecreditreport.com" commercials.

240 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:57:19am

re: #239 MandyManners

The Kid loves to sing the songs from those "Freecreditreport.com" commercials.

Heck, I love singing them too!
Doesn't everybody?

241 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:57:56am

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

Does this bring back memories?

Schoolhouse Rock - Tax Man Max

[Video]

Yeah, memories from when I forgot to avoid the brown acid.

242 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:16am

re: #239 MandyManners

The Kid loves to sing the songs from those "Freecreditreport.com" commercials.

Yeah, but you have to PAY for the "freecreditrepotrt.com" whereas "annualcreditreport.com" IS free (again, except if you want/ need the actual score)

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:33am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell!
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the correct spelling of a person's name when referring to them.

I too use "Obama" at times, as I used "Bush"; "the President" at other times (for either of them) ; or "President Obama" at still other times (just as I used President Bush").

One of those forms is incorrect?

Only when it is partisan bitching. And how many times have we heard "Mr. Bush" or "Mr. Obama"? Both are incorrect.

244 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:59:03am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

Heck, I love singing them too!
Doesn't everybody?

All the time? Fiftyfuckingtimesinthreeminutes?

245 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:59:39am

re: #244 MandyManners

All the time? Fiftyfuckingtimesinthreeminutes?

Well, not quite.

246 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:00am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell!
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the correct spelling of a person's name when referring to them.

I too use "Obama" at times, as I used "Bush"; "the President" at other times (for either of them) ; or "President Obama" at still other times (just as I used President Bush").

One of those forms is incorrect?

In #185 Gus laments that calling him "Obama" is depersonalizing

247 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:17am

re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar

Only when it is partisan bitching. And how many times have we heard "Mr. Bush" or "Mr. Obama"? Both are incorrect.

Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:31am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Yes.

249 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:01:32am

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, MISTER Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?

ftfy
/

250 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:01:32am

Fellow taxpayers, sing along with me:
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his __.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:01:55am

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?

Heh. You are the only person to spell my name right. Which is spelled wrong.:)

252 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:17am

re: #246 sattv4u2

In #185 Gus laments that calling him "Obama" is depersonalizing

Perhaps Gus is thinking it's demeaning in certain context, depending on what else is being written. I could see that happening.

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:42am

“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15.”

Ronald Reagan

Heh.

254 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:50am

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?

heh. I noticed it ages ago. In my head, I pronounce it:
"cananadian".

255 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:04:52am

re: #254 reine.de.tout

heh. I noticed it ages ago. In my head, I pronounce it:
"cananadian".

Why do you hate "cananadian"s !?!?!

/

256 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:05:57am

re: #244 MandyManners

All the time? Fiftyfuckingtimesinthreeminutes?

Maybe he's like a record with a scratch in it. The needle gets stuck

SMACK HIM!

257 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:20am

re: #255 sattv4u2

Why do you hate "cananadian"s !?!?!

/

re: #255 sattv4u2

Why do you hate "cananadian"s !?!?!

/

Oh, har-de-har-har.

258 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:09:01am

And for those with some time on their hands, 91 pages of pdf proof that sometimes, your tax dollars are spent in a wise manner:
[Link: blogs.sj-r.com...]

259 freetoken  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:09:06am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

Here I thought you just had found an anagram for your alternate ID: Unbind A Cabala Crank

260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:11:23am

re: #259 freetoken

Here I thought you just had found an anagram for your alternate ID: Unbind A Cabala Crank

Holy crap!! It's to early for that much work!!
/

261 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:11:29am

re: #259 freetoken

Here I thought you just had found an anagram for your alternate ID: Unbind A Cabala Crank

or yours

Reek Often

(sorry!!)

262 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:12:06am

re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy crap!! It's to early for that much work!!
/

No work at all

[Link: wordsmith.org...]

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:19:59am

re: #262 sattv4u2

My full name just made this one...

"Afghan Drill John Trunk"

Not very clever, but hey! It's the internet!

264 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:20:24am

J.B. Lenoir Eisenhower Blues

Hey everybody, I was talkin' to you
I ain't tellin' you jivin', this is the natural truth
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?

My money's gone, my fun is gone
The way things look, how can I be here long?
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?

Taken all my money, to pay the tax
I'm only givin' you people, the natural facts
I only tellin' you people, my belief
Because I am headed straight, on relief
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?

Ain't go a dime, ain't even got a cent
I don't even have no money, to pay my rent
My baby needs some clothes, she needs some shoes
Peoples I don't know what, I'm gonna do
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:49am

You just can't make this shit up.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:23:58am

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ever noticed that every hotel in America named the "Executive Inn" is a total and absolute shithole?

267 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:25:08am

Here's a poem that I heard yesterday driving home from work. From The Writer's Almanac, on PBS - KOUW Seattle.

San Francisco Remembered
by Philip Schultz

In summer the polleny light bounces off the white buildings
& you can see their spines & nerves & where the joints knot.
You've never seen such polleny light. The whole city shining
& the women wearing dresses so thin you could see their wing-tipped hips
& their tall silvery legs alone can knock your eye out.
But this isn't about women. It's about the city of blue waters
& fog so thick it wraps round your legs & leaves glistening trails
along the dark winding streets. Once I followed such a trail
& wound up beside this redheaded woman who looked up & smiled
& let me tell you you don't see smiles like that in Jersey City.
She was wearing a black raincoat with two hundred pockets
& I wanted to put my hands in each one. But forget about her.
I was talking about the fog which steps up & taps your shoulder
like a panhandler who wants bus fare to a joint called The Paradise
& where else could this happen? On Sundays Golden Gate Park
is filled with young girls strolling the transplanted palms
& imported rhododendron beds. You should see the sunset
in their eyes & the sway, the proud sway of their young shoulders.
Believe me, it takes a day or two to recover. Or the trolleys clanking
down the steep hills—why you see legs flashing like mirrors!v Please, Lord, please let me talk about San Francisco. How
that gorilla of a bridge twists in the ocean wind & the earth
turns under your feet & at any moment the whole works can crack
& slip back into the sea like a giant being kicked off his raft
& now, if it's all right, I would like to talk about women…

268 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:25:24am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever noticed that every hotel in America named the "Executive Inn" is a total and absolute shithole?

well, would you have made the reservation if the name of the hotel was "A Total and Absolute Shithole" ?

269 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:25:36am

Hamas executes 2 suspected informers for Israel

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – The head of the military court in Hamas-ruled Gaza says two informers for Israel have been executed.

The executions marked the first time in a decade — and the first time ever under Hamas rule — that the death penalty was carried out in Gaza.

It signaled an escalation in Hamas' ways of maintaining control over Gaza. The Islamic militants seized the territory in 2007.

The head of the military court, Ahmed Atallah, announced the executions in a statement on the Web site of Gaza's Interior Ministry. He identified the two men as convicted collaborators Mohammed Ismail and Nasser Abu Freih.

Atallah did not say how they were executed. An employee at Gaza's main hospital says their bullet-riddled bodies were dropped off there by armed men early Thursday.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:26:41am

re: #268 sattv4u2

well, would you have made the reservation if the name of the hotel was "A Total and Absolute Shithole" ?

The names are interchangeable....

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:26:52am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever noticed that every hotel in America named the "Executive Inn" is a total and absolute shithole?

I stayed at a Motel 6 once. Fucking towels weren't big enough to go around my waist.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:23am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have that problem A LOT!

273 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:48am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

I stayed at a Motel 6 once. Fucking towels weren't big enough to go around my waist.

I'm not sure if thats an indictment on the towels, or your eating habits!

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:53am

I would like to take a moment to thank the person who invented the back scratcher.

275 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:28:25am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have that problem A LOT!

re: #273 sattv4u2

I'm not sure if thats an indictment on the towels, or your eating habits!

With YOU, I have no doubts!!

//

WUV YA , MAN !!

276 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:29:14am

re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know if I drink so much because my wife left me, or if my wife left me because I drink so much. But, fuck it anyway.
-Leaving Las Vegas (GREAT soundtrack, BTW)

Always thought that "Leaving Las Vegas" and "Midnight Cowboy" were important moral examples, and pushed our teenagers to study them. Wife did not agree.

277 freetoken  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:32:21am

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would like to take a moment to thank the person who invented the back scratcher.

One of our relatives, probably.

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:32:53am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

"Leaving Las Vegas" was the FEEL GOOD MOVIE OF THE YEAR!

The most depressing movie I have seen since was "The Soloist".

Oh, and Avatar. Finally saw it. What a piece of shit movie. Why didn't they name it,

"HEY! WATCH WHAT CGI CAN DO NOW!"

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:33:32am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Always thought that "Leaving Las Vegas" and "Midnight Cowboy" were important moral examples, and pushed our teenagers to study them. Wife did not agree.

The Russians told John Walker (spy,traitor) to watch "The French Connection" to learn counter surveillance.

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:34:57am

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Excuse me, while I whip this out!"

281 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:36:35am

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Russians told John Walker (spy,traitor) to watch "The French Connection" to learn counter surveillance.

He didn't watch closely enough.

282 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:36:40am

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy.

Daniel Webster.

283 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:40:56am

re: #282 MandyManners

Good thing the taxed people have the power to turn the tap up and down.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:42:48am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Good thing the taxed people have the power to turn the tap up and down.

Yes. Like Charlie Rangel.
/

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:43:37am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

don't be so racist.

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:43:58am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Like Charlie Rangel. Tim Geithner.
/

287 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:00am
288 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:25am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

The man can wear a silk suit, just saying.

289 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:37am

Our town will have a small tea party today. I proposed that, with the proper signs, I could get a few people to burn their Social Security or Medicare cards. Wife did not agree.

290 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:39am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Good thing the taxed people have the power to turn the tap up and down.

Right.

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:55am

re: #288 prairiefire

The man can wear a silk suit, just saying.

I spent $160 on silk sheets. Hated them.

292 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:56am

re: #287 MandyManners

KACHING.

[Video]

Sorry, Mr. Waters. It's the love of money that is the root of all evil. Not money per se.

293 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:46:09am

The government must tax to exist.

294 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:46:28am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Like Charlie Rangel.
/

He has a fair chance to be turned "off'. Adam Clayton Powell's kid is running, under the Irony Party.

295 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:47:10am

re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar

STILL racist

REASONS

either
A) because you eliminated Rangle
or
B) Geithner was appointed by ,,,,,

////

(see how easy it is to attach racism to anything!!!)

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:47:21am

re: #292 MandyManners

Sorry, Mr. Waters. It's the love of money that is the root of all evil. Not money per se.

"The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" is a great album!!

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:48:08am

re: #295 sattv4u2

DING!

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:51:39am

By the way, I wrote a long (for me) post the other day saying that the Federal Government should abolish the Federal Department of Education.

Yesterday? Glenn Beck did a segment on the abolishing the DoE.

Guess what? Glenn was dead on. No "craziness" was involved (other than an "indoctrination" moment). Had two excellent guests who made some great points.

Yes. We should abolish the the Federal Department of Education.

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:52:36am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, I wrote a long (for me) post the other day saying that the Federal Government should abolish the Federal Department of Education.

Yesterday? Glenn Beck did a segment on the abolishing the DoE.

Guess what? Glenn was dead on. No "craziness" was involved (other than an "indoctrination" moment). Had two excellent guests who made some great points.

Yes. We should abolish the the Federal Department of Education.

And you look like Glenn Beck!!!

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:53:51am

re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe I am Glenn Beck's sensible twin?

301 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:53:57am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There was no federal "Dept of Education" when I was in school a hundred years ago. Things seemed to work fine.

302 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:54:34am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When I start agreeing with Glenn Beck, I'll report early to Carousel.

303 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:55:05am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

When I start agreeing with Glenn Beck, I'll report early to Carousel.

"Renew!!"

304 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:55:24am

re: #301 reine.de.tout

There was no federal "Dept of Education" when I was in school a hundred years ago. Things seemed to work fine.

Thanks, Jimmy Carter!

305 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:56:23am

re: #301 reine.de.tout

There was no federal "Dept of Education" when I was in school a hundred years ago. Things seemed to work fine.

There were teaching nuns then.

306 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:56:51am

re: #277 freetoken

One of our relatives, probably.

CCA - I'm telling you.

I used to keep a toothbrush at work for after lunch.

And a second one at work (and one next to my bed) for back scratching purposes, those places I cannot reach. Small, portable, and works like a charm.

It would just be icky to confuse which was which.

307 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:58:19am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

There were teaching nuns then.

TRUE, true.

308 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:58:56am

For the love of Pete...
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:59:50am

re: #306 reine.de.tout

CCA - I'm telling you.

I used to keep a toothbrush at work for after lunch.

And a second one at work (and one next to my bed) for back scratching purposes, those places I cannot reach. Small, portable, and works like a charm.

It would just be icky to confuse which was which.

I inherited my back scratcher from my dad. My sisters and brother got everything else.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:00:24am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Media Matters has people posting on Glenn Beck's "idea".

Yes, the right has nutjobs/wingnuts/etc... but the left has some fucking idiots too. The people posting had absolutely no idea what Glenn was talking about, but that didn't stop them from commenting on it.

A couple of comments? Sure, I'll be glad to.

Abolish it all, let's live in mud huts and build our own guns from clay.
Yes! Let's not educate people so Glenn can have more viewers. Education is overrated. Heck, look at Afghanistan..it's a great place to move to and raise a family (especially for girls!) Women know their place and men are free to raise whatever kind of crops they want! Education, smeducation!!!
Beck might ought to read up on this guy named Pol Pot and his group, the Khmer Rouge. They had a problem with education, too.

Yeah. These people have no idea what the Department of Education does.

Didya know it was created in 1979? Glenn made an excellent point... "How did a department that is so young, become such a sacred cow, so quickly?"

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:22am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's for the children.
(I fucking hate that phrase)

312 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:47am

re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar

For the love of Pete...
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

It's typical and the Navy has named ships after worse men. Murtha served honorably as a Marine and he did help get the latest series of Marine landing ships funded. That earns him a ship in my book.

313 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:04:54am
314 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:06:10am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Media Matters has people posting on Glenn Beck's "idea".

Yes, the right has nutjobs/wingnuts/etc... but the left has some fucking idiots too. The people posting had absolutely no idea what Glenn was talking about, but that didn't stop them from commenting on it.

A couple of comments? Sure, I'll be glad to.

Abolish it all, let's live in mud huts and build our own guns from clay.
Yes! Let's not educate people so Glenn can have more viewers. Education is overrated. Heck, look at Afghanistan..it's a great place to move to and raise a family (especially for girls!) Women know their place and men are free to raise whatever kind of crops they want! Education, smeducation!!!
Beck might ought to read up on this guy named Pol Pot and his group, the Khmer Rouge. They had a problem with education, too.

Yeah. These people have no idea what the Department of Education does.

Didya know it was created in 1979? Glenn made an excellent point... "How did a department that is so young, become such a sacred cow, so quickly?"

It's rejectionism, pure and simple. They hate Glen Beck, so whatever he proposes they attack in vitriolic terms. Actually arguing the issue seems passe to them. They prefer the hyperbolic attacks Beck himself uses, which shows them to be no better than him.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:06:53am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hate it too. But you know what? It's not for the Children. It's for the fucking teacher's union.

I'm sure since I'm on board with Glenn on this I'll be labeled a nutjob, but I am ready to take on anyone on this issue.

Name me ONE child that has been educated by the $50,000,000.00 (that's with a B) Department of Education.

It began years ago, when I read Grossman's "A call for revolution"... tax book; not militia bullshit.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:07:03am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

It's typical and the Navy has named ships after worse men. Murtha served honorably as a Marine and he did help get the latest series of Marine landing ships funded. That earns him a ship in my book.

Yes. From the link:

Georgia Rep. Carl Vinson, and Mississippi Sen. John Stennis, both Democrats, supported racial segregation in the South, opposed civil rights legislation and signed the 1956 “Southern Manifesto.”

317 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:49am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. From the link:

Georgia Rep. Carl Vinson, and Mississippi Sen. John Stennis, both Democrats, supported racial segregation in the South, opposed civil rights legislation and signed the 1956 “Southern Manifesto.”

Can't be...only Republicans are racists. That must be a typo.
//

318 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:12:11am
319 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:13:10am

Beaverton teacher faces investigation over Tea Party "infiltration"

Jason Levin, the Portland man who caused a ruckus over his plans to "infiltrate" Tea Party protests in an aim to discredit them, teaches in a Beaverton middle school and now faces an investigation by the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission.

Melody Hanson, the commission's director of professional practices, said Wednesday that the agency opened an investigation because "there was enough concern that there was some neglect of duty" on the part of Levin.

Levin teaches in the media lab at Conestoga Middle School, although he described himself in an interview earlier this week with Talking Points Memo as a technology consultant.

Levin started a web site called "Crash the Tea Party" that he said was aimed at encouraging people to pose as Tea Party protestors while acting in outlandish ways in hopes of discrediting the movement.

320 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:30am
321 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:15:01am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

Beaverton teacher faces investigation over Tea Party "infiltration"

Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?

322 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:15:10am
323 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:05am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

Can't be...only Republicans are racists. That must be a typo.
//

Silly boy

ALL those southern democrats switched to the republican party during the civil Rights Leg battle

Well ,, all, except Al Gore Senior,, and Robert Byrd ,, and George Wallace, and William Fulbright ,,, and ,,, (etc etc etc)

324 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:16am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hate it too. But you know what? It's not for the Children. It's for the fucking teacher's union.

I'm sure since I'm on board with Glenn on this I'll be labeled a nutjob, but I am ready to take on anyone on this issue.

Name me ONE child that has been educated by the $50,000,000.00 (that's with a B) Department of Education.

It began years ago, when I read Grossman's "A call for revolution"... tax book; not militia bullshit.

The problem is that the Dems will never go along with it voluntarily, and its not some the non-politically active public will get exercised about. I'd propose devolving the Department's power back to the states on a gradual basis, finally leaving it extant for proposes of policy co-ordination.

325 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:46am

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

I inherited my back scratcher from my dad. My sisters and brother got everything else.

ROFL.
So, your brothers and sisters got the toothbrushes, you're saying?

326 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:57am

re: #318 MandyManners

re: #320 MandyManners

I love The Kinks!

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:18:06am

re: #325 reine.de.tout

ROFL.
So, your brothers and sisters got the toothbrushes, you're saying?

Some day I will tell the "$30,000 blue bowl" story.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:18:15am

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

Oh, hell yeah.

I'd agree with anything that put the power back in the state's hands.

329 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:18am

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?

Now why be a buzz-kill?
/

330 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:20am

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?

If they were acting as a moby, posting inflammatory comment to discredit LGF, then yes. If you are then habit of acting like a duplicitous asshole outside of work and your boss finds out, you should be in hot water. Because the odds are you'll act that way at work sooner or later.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:21am

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?

???

332 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:48am
333 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:21:16am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

???

That's what outsiders have asked this teacher's boss to do.

334 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:21:27am

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Reine,

Bonus upding for the "Engineers Guide to Cats" link. I forwarded it to a bunch of engineers I know, and a few relatives. My brother's sole comments was "poor Ginger".

:)

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:07am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

I think it was a valid question. The way that I read it, the thing that they're talking about is not that he is doing it, it is when he is doing it.

Work time is not the time to do these things.

'ceptin Sattv...

336 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:09am

Morning Lizards.

Bit late in getting up today.

337 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:09am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

If they were acting as a moby, posting inflammatory comment to discredit LGF, then yes. If you are then habit of acting like a duplicitous asshole outside of work and your boss finds out, you should be in hot water. Because the odds are you'll act that way at work sooner or later.

That's kind of stretching the ol' performance appraisal.

338 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:23am

re: #332 MandyManners

Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's

[Video]

Damn-fine dope-smoking music.

339 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:25am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some day I will tell the "$30,000 blue bowl" story.

Hell.
I understand.
My brother got the $80,000 piece of sculpture. Which honestly, no one knew was worth $80,000, and I'm very glad he has it and appreciates it.

But these things never work out equally.

I was executrix of my parents' estate, and I waived the (substantial) fee I was entitled to as such.

When items were split up, I got really, everything I wanted, but it "added up" to much less than what the others "got".

I've got no complaints about it, other than there is ONE brother who complained excessively and constantly that I "got" this or that or the other thing, and the two of them actually ended up with the 2nd most valuable take of the four of us. I don't care about that; the complaints from her just pissed me off, as the fact that she took one piece that was my grandmother's that I would like back, and she isn't using it, and she knows I like it and want it, and refuses to return it.
Bitch.

340 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:23:13am

re: #334 oaktree

Reine,

Bonus upding for the "Engineers Guide to Cats" link. I forwarded it to a bunch of engineers I know, and a few relatives. My brother's sole comments was "poor Ginger".

:)

So glad you enjoyed it!
They've made a couple of other ones, as well. But that was the first, iirc, and the funniest, IMO.

341 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:16am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

Hell.
I understand.
My brother got the $80,000 piece of sculpture. Which honestly, no one knew was worth $80,000, and I'm very glad he has it and appreciates it.

But these things never work out equally.

I was executrix of my parents' estate, and I waived the (substantial) fee I was entitled to as such.

When items were split up, I got really, everything I wanted, but it "added up" to much less than what the others "got".

I've got no complaints about it, other than there is ONE brother's wife who complained excessively and constantly that I "got" this or that or the other thing, and the two of them actually ended up with the 2nd most valuable take of the four of us. I don't care about that; the complaints from her just pissed me off, as the fact that she took one piece that was my grandmother's that I would like back, and she isn't using it, and she knows I like it and want it, and refuses to return it.
Bitch.

Had to fix that.

342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:23am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

At least you're not bitter.

/ snicker

343 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:44am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, I wrote a long (for me) post the other day saying that the Federal Government should abolish the Federal Department of Education.

Yesterday? Glenn Beck did a segment on the abolishing the DoE.

Guess what? Glenn was dead on. No "craziness" was involved (other than an "indoctrination" moment). Had two excellent guests who made some great points.

Yes. We should abolish the the Federal Department of Education.

Do you have a link to that post? I'd like to see the point you made about it.

344 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:25:33am

'Morning Everyone.

Has anyone yet discussed the latest anti-Israelabsurdity coming out of Britain?

Their Advertising Standards Authority has declared that an Israeli Tourism Advertisement is fraudulent because the Kotel (The Western Wall) and Temple Mount are technically beyond the Green Line, in "East Jerusalem", and therefore are "Occupied Territory".

With all the emphasis on the Green Line pushed by figures like Obama, it was only a matter of time until people decided that the Old City is really Occupied Palestinian Territory as well. Nevermind that the 1949 Armistice that established the Green Line explicitly said that the ceasefire lines of that war should in no way impact the final territorial borders.

Images of the Western Wall are no longer allowed in Israeli tourism ads in the UK, after regulators deemed it misleading, as it is in the “occupied territories of the West Bank.”

The Advertising Standard Agency ruled on Wednesday following a complaint that a tourism ad containing a picture of the Western Wall with the Dome of the Rock in the background misleadingly implied that east Jerusalem was part of the State of Israel, resulting in false advertising.

RTWT

This really is absurd. I have no other words to describe it.

345 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:25:45am

re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least you're not bitter.

/ snicker

*snicker*
That incident bothers me. Of course, my mom and I both knew, years ago, that SHE would be the problem when it came time to deal with these things.

I made sure some of the nicer pieces of jewelry were held back, and gave those to the OTHER sis-in-law.

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:25:50am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

The blue bowl is a running joke in the family. The thing is actually worth 2 bucks. But it cost my dad 30 grand in the divorce and all he got was the blue bowl. A divided bowl. One side for the mashed taters, one side for the gravy.

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:05am

re: #343 Jadespring

Shoot no, wasn't no big deal... I almost repeated it anyway.

348 badger1970  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:18am

Good morning all. Hope your coffee's hot, and the doughnuts are fresh.

349 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:39am

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

The blue bowl is a running joke in the family. The thing is actually worth 2 bucks. But it cost my dad 30 grand in the divorce and all he got was the blue bowl. A divided bowl. One side for the mashed taters, one side for the gravy.

OMG.
Too damned funny.
Really funny.
I thought this was going to be a story about some sort of heirloom that somebody got and immediately broke, or something.
Too funny.

350 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:43am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it was a valid question. The way that I read it, the thing that they're talking about is not that he is doing it, it is when he is doing it.

Work time is not the time to do these things.

'ceptin Sattv...

One day in Italy, I was off work for an American holiday, but my daughter was in her Italian middle school class. I went out for a coffee, and heard a commotion in the village mayor's parking lot. As I rounded the corner, I found her, her teacher, and the class with picket signs protesting the lack of heat in the classrooms. The teacher looked a little alarmed until I burst out laughing.

351 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:16am

Obama Speech Signals a U.S. Shift on Middle East


WASHINGTON — It was just a phrase at the end of President Obama’s news conference on Tuesday, but it was a stark reminder of a far-reaching shift in how the United States views the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and how aggressively it might push for a peace agreement.

When Mr. Obama declared that resolving the long-running Middle East dispute was a “vital national security interest of the United States,” he was highlighting a change that has resulted from a lengthy debate among his top officials over how best to balance support for Israel against other American interests.

This shift, described by administration officials who did not want to be quoted by name when discussing internal discussions, is driving the White House’s urgency to help broker a Middle East peace deal. It increases the likelihood that Mr. Obama, frustrated by the inability of the Israelis and the Palestinians to come to terms, will offer his own proposed parameters for an eventual Palestinian state.

352 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:17am

re: #344 Joo-LiZ

*seethe*

353 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:45am

re: #103 LudwigVanQuixote

Well said, and echoed over here.

It really makes me mad to think about. The sheer Chutzpah!

354 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:55am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it was a valid question. The way that I read it, the thing that they're talking about is not that he is doing it, it is when he is doing it.

Work time is not the time to do these things.

'ceptin Sattv...

Sofía Vergara!

355 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:28:50am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

That's kind of stretching the ol' performance appraisal.

To be fair, your boss won't sanction you for something outside of work. But two of the managers I've had did criticize employees for actions outside of work that showed possible bad character. When you know your subordinate is engaging in duplicity to discredit someone else, you damn sure should call him onto the carpet over that. It reflects poorly on the team, and someone who smears others in his free time may well smear his co-workers.

356 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:29:29am

re: #348 badger1970

Good morning all. Hope your coffee's hot, and the doughnuts are fresh.

NOMMY NOM NOM!

357 Locker  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:29:32am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

One day in Italy, I was off work for an American holiday, but my daughter was in her Italian middle school class. I went out for a coffee, and heard a commotion in the village mayor's parking lot. As I rounded the corner, I found her, her teacher, and the class with picket signs protesting the lack of heat in the classrooms. The teacher looked a little alarmed until I burst out laughing.

Now THAT is something worth protesting. Can't learn your algebra if your beanbag is freezing off.

358 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:29:42am

re: #353 Joo-LiZ

It'll be okay. Once the Hezbos start lofting those new missles Syria gave them, there won't be any tourists anyway.///

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:02am

re: #354 sattv4u2

Sofía Vergara!

I noticed after I posted her pics earlier you were gone for a while. Just sayin'.
///

360 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:28am

Good morning Lizards,

Good/Bad day. Tax day (and it looks like the net result is that I get some money back). And also the day of the year my fraternity was founded in Illinois in 1907. No real celebration planned for the former, but I will be attending a banquet to celebrate the latter on Saturday.

No You-Tube access here, but MP had the following tax-related commentary.

"It's" Man: I would tax Raquel Welch. I have a feeling she'd tax me.

Gumby: I would put a tax on people who stand in water.
[looks down and sees that he is standing in a stream]
Gimby: Wha...

361 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:38am

re: #351 NJDhockeyfan

Obama Speech Signals a U.S. Shift on Middle East

I'm gonna' step back before I say what I think of that fucking narcissistic asshole.

Have a great day, Lizards!

362 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:13am

re: #321 Decatur Deb

I am of the opinion that your personal life is off limits to professional review. Short of criminal acts anyway.

363 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:43am

re: #357 Locker

Now THAT is something worth protesting. Can't learn your algebra if your beanbag is freezing off.

I loved it. The kid learned a lot about democracy and politics. (The mayor was cool too--It was beneath his dignity to deal with the rabble, so he sent his Deputy Mayor out to face them.)

364 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:45am

re: #353 Joo-LiZ

Well said, and echoed over here.

It really makes me mad to think about. The sheer Chutzpah!

I think that the Israelis should refuse to take down the posters. The Brit want them gone? Let them send the cops, and then deal with the bad PR.

365 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:32:32am

re: #359 Cannadian Club Akbar

I noticed after I posted her pics earlier you were gone for a while. Just sayin'.
///


With her pics, "a while' ain't long!

366 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:33:57am

re: #351 NJDhockeyfan

Obama Speech Signals a U.S. Shift on Middle East

By making a "Vital" link of our (US) interests to the success/failure of peace between not just the Palistinians and Israel but of the US and the Arab world... we have injected tension and given clout to the enemies of Israel.

This is a terrible precedent that has not existed before.
Now the onus is on this Administration to "produce" results to appease the Arab world - and in my opinion will only come at the expense of Israel.

I hope we don't end up with a "Peace in our Lifetime" moment...

367 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:34:23am

Poll: 91% against Obama imposing deal

A huge majority of Israelis would oppose an attempt by US President Barack Obama to impose a final-status agreement with the Palestinians, a poll sponsored by the Independent Media Review and Analysis (IMRA) organization found this week.

Leading American newspapers reported last week that Obama was considering trying to impose a settlement if efforts to begin indirect proximity talks between Israel and the Palestinians proved unsuccessful. The option was discussed in a meeting with current and former advisers to the White House.

Asked whether they would support Obama imposing a plan dividing Jerusalem and removing the Jordan Valley from Israeli control, 91 percent of Israelis who expressed an opinion said no and 9% said yes, according to the poll of 503 Israelis, which was taken by Ma’agar Mohot on Sunday and Monday and had a 4.5% margin of error.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:36:16am

World Jewish Congress confronts Obama on White House double-standard on Israel and Palestinians


Ramifications continue to appear as a result of the diplomatic gulf between President Obama and Israel. Ron Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, has written an open letter to Obama that deserves careful and close consideration by anybody concerned about the future viability of the "Two-State Solution" to the Middle East crisis.
369 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:37:19am

Traveling for a few days, (not to DC) might be out of touch--Later

370 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:38:46am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

Ugh I've seen a few families ripped apart by that sort of thing.

I think I'll do it like my Grandmother did even though it did have a 'creepy' element to it. She started dividing and giving away the really valuable stuff before she died and any question of 'fairness' that the kids brought up was dealt with by her. With the other stuff she asked what her kids would like, made a list and then put pieces of tape with names on it on most everything, right done to the little knick knacks (which there were tons of) on all her shelves. If there was something two people wanted she had already made the decision.

My Mom felt really uncomfortable when it was happening but Grandma would just say, "I just don't want you all arguing about things when I'm gone. This will make it easier." Thing is it really did and everyone really appreciated how much easier it was. It led to a lot of laughs too when people pondered why Grandma had labeled the dancing hula bobble girl from Hawaii or the chipped pig salt shaker for them.

371 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:39:04am

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan
The Palis don't want a two state solution. Sure, they'll mouth all the right platitudes, but it boils down to a one state solution with no Israel and no Jews.

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:40:57am

re: #370 Jadespring

I have a cow salt shaker. Guess I was wrong when I said all I got was the back scratcher.:)

373 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:41:52am

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a cow salt shaker. Guess I was wrong when I said all I got was the back scratcher.:)

No problem. The back scratcher post was a MOOving story!

374 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:42:09am

re: #362 Rightwingconspirator

I am of the opinion that your personal life is off limits to professional review. Short of criminal acts anyway.

I would generally agree with that, with the exception that if there is something in your personal life that crosses over into affecting your professional life, it has to be considered.

Worked with a lady once addicted to painkillers, from a private-life injury.
Her work performance sucked. So that's what we focused on, but there is no denying it was a private-life issue that caused the performance problem.

375 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:43:00am

re: #366 Ericus58

By making a "Vital" link of our (US) interests to the success/failure of peace between not just the Palistinians and Israel but of the US and the Arab world... we have injected tension and given clout to the enemies of Israel.

This is a terrible precedent that has not existed before.
Now the onus is on this Administration to "produce" results to appease the Arab world - and in my opinion will only come at the expense of Israel.

I hope we don't end up with a "Peace in our Lifetime" moment...

I feel sorry for Israel at this moment in history. The enemies surrounding Israel are arming themselves with much bigger weapons than has ever been seen before in that region. They could always depend on the US as a trusted ally. I don't think they trust the US that much today.

376 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:44:21am

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a cow salt shaker. Guess I was wrong when I said all I got was the back scratcher.:)

Well, at least you don't have a beef with your siblings. :D

377 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:44:23am

re: #370 Jadespring

Ugh I've seen a few families ripped apart by that sort of thing.

I think I'll do it like my Grandmother did even though it did have a 'creepy' element to it. She started dividing and giving away the really valuable stuff before she died and any question of 'fairness' that the kids brought up was dealt with by her. With the other stuff she asked what her kids would like, made a list and then put pieces of tape with names on it on most everything, right done to the little knick knacks (which there were tons of) on all her shelves. If there was something two people wanted she had already made the decision.

My Mom felt really uncomfortable when it was happening but Grandma would just say, "I just don't want you all arguing about things when I'm gone. This will make it easier." Thing is it really did and everyone really appreciated how much easier it was. It led to a lot of laughs too when people pondered why Grandma had labeled the dancing hula bobble girl from Hawaii or the chipped pig salt shaker for them.

My mom did the same thing. WE had many discussions about it before she got sick and died. I never felt it was creepy. I mean, it's not like it was a secret she was in her mid-70's and close to the end of her life expectancy.

She also, at my request, had a note for me, listing her various insurance policies, stock accounts, her retirement, and other matters, with contact information. I cannot tell you how much that helped.

378 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:13am

re: #282 MandyManners

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy.

Daniel Webster.

But the "creative destruction" necessarily involved in capitalism and corporate power, now, that's a good thing, eh?

And where, pray, do you see unlimited taxation in the US?

You sound like you're trying to come up with a good wingnut sign for today's tea-party rally.

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:41am

I want to work for the State Department.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

380 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:53am

re: #375 NJDhockeyfan

I feel sorry for Israel at this moment in history. The enemies surrounding Israel are arming themselves with much bigger weapons than has ever been seen before in that region. They could always depend on the US as a trusted ally. I don't think they trust the US that much today.

I'd say most of them know they can trust the American people. Its Obama they can't trust. That asshole just spent all the credit he'd earned with me and about double that amount besides.

381 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:46:25am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

Hell.
I understand.
My brother got the $80,000 piece of sculpture. Which honestly, no one knew was worth $80,000, and I'm very glad he has it and appreciates it.

But these things never work out equally.

I was executrix of my parents' estate, and I waived the (substantial) fee I was entitled to as such.
SNIP

I was quite lucky in this regard (given the non-luck in losing parents and siblings "before their time".)

My parents, in their near-infinite wisdom, set up a irrevocable trust fund to handle their estate. When my father died things went in a very straightforward manner in that the trust was split and all the taxes/fees were paid off on the one-half of the estate. There was a trustee (initially my mother, and then me) overseeing that trust. The other half of the trust, plus any other items went to my mother as primary/sole heir. (During this time period my parents were also gifting their children with a couple thousand $ a year each since they could do that tax-free.

When my mother died in 2000 (after a year-long fight with brain cancer) my brother was executor of the estate. The two trust funds were split evenly between the surviving heirs per the will. My brother and I went through the personal items and furniture without practically any rancor and split things up according to need and available room. (And we essentially kept my sister-in-law out of this for the most part.)

The other items (outstanding bills, non-trust investments, etc.) were turned over to a probate lawyer to handled. Who then proceeded to do *nothing* for over a year. At that point my brother got fed up and took everything back from the lawyer. He got power of attorney fairly easily since I was willing to sign it over as the other heir and then proceeded to clear everything up. Which included finding an insurance policy that had matured twenty years previously and also an annuity account that we didn't know even existed.

Bizarre stuff. And from that I've taken steps to make sure I keep a current list of items like that for whoever has to clean up after me. (Employers have changed enough times that I have 2-3 IRAs from rolled-over 401K and/or closed out pension systems.)

I think the real key to these matters is attitude. My brother and I had *zero* expectations of inheriting anything from our parents beyond some mementos and personal items. No feelings entitlement, and there were very few items that we both wanted -- and for many of the items it was obvious they should go to his side since he had the children that would inherit the family heirlooms. (I don't have any children.)

382 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:47:15am

re: #377 reine.de.tout

My mom did the same thing. WE had many discussions about it before she got sick and died. I never felt it was creepy. I mean, it's not like it was a secret she was in her mid-70's and close to the end of her life expectancy.

She also, at my request, had a note for me, listing her various insurance policies, stock accounts, her retirement, and other matters, with contact information. I cannot tell you how much that helped.

I'll also add this:
Before they died, they gave me authority to sign their checks from checking accounts and to withdraw money from their stock accounts, and power of attorney.

That gave me access to their funds and the authority to act on their behalf and to pay expenses related to my parents' care and their death, without having to get court orders to do it.

383 Slap  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:48:49am

re: #141 Gus 802

BIG praise for old Tubes! I was lucky enough to see them on their last, full-on Grand Guignol tour. One of the most surreal and depraved spectacles I've ever witnessed. And they kicked some SERIOUS ass....

Thanks!

384 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:45am

re: #381 oaktree

. . .
I think the real key to these matters is attitude. My brother and I had *zero* expectations of inheriting anything from our parents beyond some mementos and personal items. No feelings entitlement, and there were very few items that we both wanted -- and for many of the items it was obvious they should go to his side since he had the children that would inherit the family heirlooms. (I don't have any children.)

Exactly. I ended up being very surprised at the extent of my parents' estate. We're not talking huge and wealthy, but it was substantially more than I thought it would be. And my hubby and I have provided for ourselves quite acceptably, and had no need for any "inheritance".

I do wish I could get back my grandmother's dresser. I was her namesake, and - well, I would just like to have it.

385 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:47am

snip>

MOSCOW — The British Embassy says British, French and U.S. troops will march with Russian soldiers on Red Square to mark the 65th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

It said in a statement Thursday that the May 9 parade will include a Royal Air Force band and a detachment of Welsh Guards.

The statement said the parade may mark the first time British troops have marched in Red Square.

The U.S. Embassy confirmed that U.S. soldiers will take part in the parade.

Victory Day is Russia's most important secular holiday. The Kremlin plans a larger parade than usual this year.

Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.

386 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:51:19am

re: #221 NJDhockeyfan

Shit, calling Obama by his own name is racist. Disagreeing with his policies is racist as well.


No, disagreeing with his policies is just fine. Drawing a Hitler mousatche under his nose is a bit over the top, but not racist. Portraying him as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is racist.

387 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:51:19am

re: #385 filetandrelease

snip>

Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.

Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.

388 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:52:11am

re: #386 ralphieboy

No, disagreeing with his policies is just fine. Drawing a Hitler mousatche under his nose is a bit over the top, but not racist. Portraying him as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is racist.

Exactly. Not everyone can see that though.

389 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:24am

re: #385 filetandrelease

Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.

Right. Wouldn't want to take part in a celebration commemorating the joint effort to defeat Hitler. It's another sign of who Obama's true masters are, right?

390 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:29am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.

I think their polling has proven to be pretty accurate.

That's my recollection from my browsing of 538 last election cycle.

391 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:31am

SKorea hoists sunken warship, finds dead bodies


SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea lifted part of a warship from the sea Thursday, nearly three weeks after it mysteriously exploded and sank with dozens of sailors trapped inside. Salvage workers found dead bodies of 32 crew members in the retrieved vessel.

Fifty-eight crew members were rescued shortly after the 1,200-ton Cheonan split into two pieces after exploding March 26 during a routine patrol near the tense border with North Korea. So far, 34 bodies have been recovered, while 12 sailors remain unaccounted for.

Recovering the wrecked ship could help determine the cause of the blast. There has been some suspicion but no confirmation of North Korean involvement in the sinking. The disputed western sea border has in the past been the scene of three bloody inter-Korean naval battles.

On Thursday, a huge naval crane hoisted the stern portion of the ship — where most of the missing sailors are believed trapped — a day after divers succeeded in tying the wreckage with chains.

Rescuers and salvage workers later boarded the stern and found 32 bodies identified as Cheonan crew, according to the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Seoul. Divers had previously retrieved two bodies during an underwater hunt.

"It's very regrettable as we hadn't given up our hope until the last minute," President Lee Myung-bak said during an emergency meeting on the salvaging, according to his office. "I don't know how to console their families."

392 Locker  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:54am

re: #386 ralphieboy

No, disagreeing with his policies is just fine. Drawing a Hitler mousatche under his nose is a bit over the top, but not racist. Portraying him as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is racist.

And constantly and compulsively stating and emphasizing his middle name is a thinly veiled assertion that he is a Muslim.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama
BHO
HUSSEIN!

393 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:54:28am

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

Exactly. Not everyone can see that though.


Even scarier, there are people who do not see portraying Obama with a bone in his nose as racist, to them it is just "political satire". Which it is, too, but still racist political satire...

394 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:54:56am

re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar

“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15.”

Ronald Reagan

Heh.

Sad that Reagan thought that neither party could read a calendar.

395 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:27am

re: #392 Locker

And constantly and compulsively stating and emphasizing his middle name is a thinly veiled assertion that he is a Muslim.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama
BHO
HUSSEIN!

Stressing the "Hussein" is another one of those dog whistle things, no point in calling people out on it, it just provokes their counter-charges...

396 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:29am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.

only if they promise to bring those really cool missle launcher trucks with the polished up missles on them..those are cool..like a Godzilla movie...))

397 bosforus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:45am

OT - glad to report that despite having gone to bed last night with only 2 of the 8 pigeons having returned to the garden planter, when I woke up they had all come back and the mom was sitting on all four eggs.

398 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:59am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.

In memory of our joint defeat of Hitler, I would have no fucking problem with that. The Russians suffered more to bring down Nazism than any other three armed opponents of Germany combined.

Gawd, I hate the smell of squeaky-clean, self-righteous LGF wingnuts in the morning!

399 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:12am

re: #389 Cato the Elder

Right. Wouldn't want to take part in a celebration commemorating the joint effort to defeat Hitler. It's another sign of who Obama's true masters are, right?

Agreed on this one. This is a nontroversy. It's a valid story for the VE Day angle, but there is no problematic issue.

400 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:15am

re: #389 Cato the Elder
Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.

And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.

401 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:20am

re: #396 Spider Mensch

only if they promise to bring those really cool missle launcher trucks with the polished up missles on them..those are cool..like a Godzilla movie...))


Could they all stand on the Balcony of Jefferson Memorial and wave?

402 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:25am

re: #377 reine.de.tout

My mom did the same thing. WE had many discussions about it before she got sick and died. I never felt it was creepy. I mean, it's not like it was a secret she was in her mid-70's and close to the end of her life expectancy.

She also, at my request, had a note for me, listing her various insurance policies, stock accounts, her retirement, and other matters, with contact information. I cannot tell you how much that helped.

Yeah I on thinking on it more I don't think I would find it creepy now. I expect my Mom will do the same thing at some point as she's very practical like her Mom was. I just don't like thinking about her being gone though we're all now at the age where the inevitable is sooner rather then later. I expect that's why Mom initially felt uncomfortable when her Mom did it.

I was a lot younger at the time it happened where 'death' was a more abstract concept so when Grandma gave me the tea cups and pieces of jewelry and talked about her death and me remembering her I was creeped out. Looking back though I'm really thankful it did happen that way because it was more like a gift and something the two of us shared. She did the same thing with all of her Grandkids.

403 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:31am

re: #389 Cato the Elder
The Russians take the victory in the "Great Patriotic War" very seriously. I see no good reason why we shouldn't march in that parade.

404 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:56am

re: #374 reine.de.tout

Oh yes, I should have mentioned-Personal stuff that stays personal-
Oh and don't sleep with the boss's spouse.
:)>

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:57am

Huh. Someone responded to my post about abolishing the DoE, and they had a reason to keep the fifty billion dollar a year, DoE. Because, without Federal oversight, some states might start teaching "Jesusology".

Okay. That's a point. (fucking southerners again?)

Worth fifty billion dollars? There's not another way to stop that?

406 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:59am

re: #398 Cato the Elder

In memory of our joint defeat of Hitler, I would have no fucking problem with that. The Russians suffered more to bring down Nazism than any other three armed opponents of Germany combined.

Gawd, I hate the smell of squeaky-clean, self-righteous LGF wingnuts in the morning!

Define wingnut please.

407 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:13am

A funny story (well, to me, maybe to others), then off to the doc's office.

My mom and grandmother both collected antiques and old furniture.

Growing up, my mom and her sister had "convent beds" - 4-poster beds used in convents, smaller than a standard single bed. I think these beds were about 5'3" long.

So my mom and my aunt were both about 5'2, and slept in these beds until they grew up.

They married, had kids of their own, and each one took her own bed. I got my mom's bed. I'm 5'6" and a bit.

Growing up, I just accepted that that bed was what I had, and that I had to use it, even though my FEET HUNG OFF THE END.

It wasn't until I was grown and talking with my Mom about it once, that I realized she never knew that I spent my teen years sleeping in a bed that was shorter than I am. It just never occurred to her that I wouldn't fit in that bed; and it never occurred to me, growing up, to point it out.

408 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:14am

re: #385 filetandrelease

snip>

Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.

Eh, I think that's appropriate. VE day remains one of the two most important days in the 20th century.

Good morning all,

William

409 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:26am

re: #403 pingjockey

The Russians take the victory in the "Great Patriotic War" very seriously. I see no good reason why we shouldn't march in that parade.


Let us not forget that the bulk of the German army was tied up on the Eastern front. We had a tough enough time defeating only a fraction of it...

410 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:54am

re: #400 filetandrelease

Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.

And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.

Puke somewhere else, asshole. You've stunk up the place enough for one day.

411 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:02am

re: #392 Locker

And constantly and compulsively stating and emphasizing his middle name is a thinly veiled assertion that he is a Muslim.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama
BHO
HUSSEIN!

Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.

The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...

412 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:29am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

Define wingnut please.

Look in the mirror.

413 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:35am

re: #410 Cato the Elder

Puke somewhere else, asshole. You've stunk up the place enough for one day.

Bite me piss ant

414 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:53am

re: #409 ralphieboy
When I was stationed in Rhode Island back in the mid 80s they still had a parade for VJ day.

415 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:10am

re: #411 Aceofwhat?

Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.

The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...

Accusations against a president one does not like do not have to be consistent or grounded in any facts, they just have to be sinister...

416 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:21am

re: #411 Aceofwhat?

Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.

The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...

I worry that they DON'T have one.

I WANT the NSA to have an earthquake machine. That would be way cool.

417 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:22am

re: #411 Aceofwhat?
They don't?!

418 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:35am

re: #413 filetandrelease

Bite me piss ant

Right back at you, pismire.

419 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:51am

re: #409 ralphieboy

Let us not forget that the bulk of the German army was tied up on the Eastern front. We had a tough enough time defeating only a fraction of it...

My favorite Patton quote:

"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!"
- General George S. Patton, Jr (addressing his troops before Operation Overlord, June 5, 1944)

420 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:01am

can we get the lunch lady in here to break up the food fight?

421 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:16am

re: #416 garhighway

I worry that they DON'T have one.

I WANT the NSA to have an earthquake machine. That would be way cool.

Hell, as much as we pay in taxes, and as large as No Such Agency's budget is reputed to be, they damned sure BETTER have at least one earthquake machine. Value for the money, after all.

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:23am

re: #416 garhighway

re: #417 pingjockey

Jesse Ventura thinks we have one.

423 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:25am

re: #382 reine.de.tout

I'll also add this:
Before they died, they gave me authority to sign their checks from checking accounts and to withdraw money from their stock accounts, and power of attorney.

That gave me access to their funds and the authority to act on their behalf and to pay expenses related to my parents' care and their death, without having to get court orders to do it.

Yeah I already have power of attorney for my parents and know I'm the executer. I've talked to my sisters about it to make sure that there's no hard feelings and both of them are happy enough to not have that much responsibility. They appreciate what it entails and means in the future, which is cool.

424 Locker  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:43am

re: #395 ralphieboy

Stressing the "Hussein" is another one of those dog whistle things, no point in calling people out on it, it just provokes their counter-charges...

So there's a point to you calling people out on this stuff but not me? The point is to highlight the behavior and I'm really not concerned about the counter-charges of anyone who exhibits these types of behavior.

425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:02am

re: #385 filetandrelease

snip>Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.



Without the Russians, WWII is lost.

Even Vizzini knows that you ' never get involved in a land war in Asia".

426 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:06am

re: #384 reine.de.tout

Exactly. I ended up being very surprised at the extent of my parents' estate. We're not talking huge and wealthy, but it was substantially more than I thought it would be. And my hubby and I have provided for ourselves quite acceptably, and had no need for any "inheritance".

I do wish I could get back my grandmother's dresser. I was her namesake, and - well, I would just like to have it.

Same here. And the actual effect is that I got a great deal of financial security, which reduces work stress a great deal since I know there is a safety net there.

My brother converted a chunk of his inheritance into land. He has 85 acres (two contiguous parcels) of fields and woodlot and plans to eventually build a customized house on it. (And last I checked he also had permission from the township zoning board to put up a small windmill for power.)

And the largess goes out from there. I'm a major donor to my fraternity's education programs. Plus annual donations to some other educational institutions. I financed a friend's attempt to start up a business selling hot sauce, which has since evolved into half ownership. Plus some minor "bailouts" for a few friends facing rough times. General "patron" activities.

And it lets me support a perfectly hedonistic lifestyle.
:)

427 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:24am

re: #412 Cato the Elder

Look in the mirror.

So you have no definition. You just like to hurl insults at people that don't share your beliefs.

Progressive!

428 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:36am

re: #401 ralphieboy

Could they all stand on the Balcony of Jefferson Memorial and wave?


if they're 20 year old slim russian females in tight mini skirts?...I see no problem...))))

429 Locker  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:49am

re: #411 Aceofwhat?

Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.

The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...

A double agent!

430 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:59am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.

I'd pay to go see that parade simply to watch the heads explode.

431 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:02:15am

re: #400 filetandrelease

Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.

And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.

Surely celebrating Hitler's defeat does not require full-throated, mindless genuflection to the measurable evils which haunt Russia's past?

I'll bet Reagan dreamed of a day when we could celebrate this sort of holiday in this sort of manner. Sure as hell beats staring at each other with fingers hovering over the big red button, doesn't it??

432 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:02:24am

re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar
What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?

433 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:03:12am

re: #417 pingjockey

They don't?!

No, it a hurricane machine.

434 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:03:20am

re: #432 pingjockey

What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?

Those Mark I tracking chips were kinda buggy.

435 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:32am

re: #432 pingjockey

What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?

He did a program on it. This isn't the show, but what he believes.
[Link: beforeitsnews.com...]

436 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:47am

re: #423 Jadespring

Yeah I already have power of attorney for my parents and know I'm the executer. I've talked to my sisters about it to make sure that there's no hard feelings and both of them are happy enough to not have that much responsibility. They appreciate what it entails and means in the future, which is cool.

It's more work than you realize, even for a simple estate.
But an honor that your parents trust you to handle it, and do right.

437 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:08am

re: #430 oaktree
I'm retired navy and some Russian ships got to pull into San Diego. Just normal squids. Having theRussians march in one of our parades or us in one of theirs is a fine thing. The troops all go out and get loaded and solve all the problems and tell the diplofucks to go piss up a rope.

438 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:10am

re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Without the Russians, WWII is lost.

Even Vizzini knows that you ' never get involved in a land war in Asia".

More than that - I personally believe that Russia would have won the European War on its own.

After the Battle of Britain, the Germans were never going to take the UK. However, without the intervention of the US (and a bit of crazy luck), D-Day would never have succeeded. And so without the intervention of the US, all of Europe may have ended up Russian.

After Stalingrad, Nazi Germany was doomed. It was only a matter of time. And all of Europe, not just the East, may have been Soviet vassal states without US intervention.

439 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:20am

re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Without the Russians, WWII is lost.

Even Vizzini knows that you ' never get involved in a land war in Asia".

Hitler biggest mistake of the war for sure.

Non the less, for the first time in 65 years U.S. solders will march past Lenin. I find it offensive, as do many.

Appeasing the bear isn't going to work.

440 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:32am

re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #417 pingjockey

Jesse Ventura thinks we have one.

wow.

i mean, like garhighway said...it would be cool.

but wow. apparently the man-pouch isn't the only thing shriveled by heavy steroid use...

441 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:39am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

re: #434 Guanxi88
Double heh!

442 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:01am

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

443 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:16am

re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks. Have to look later.

444 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:38am

re: #442 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

Moved from the platoon level to the brigade now, eh?

445 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:58am

re: #442 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

Congrats to you and the parents!
Great news!
(We Catholics just looooove to hear 'bout the birthing of babies!)

446 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:07am

re: #442 Alouette
CONGRATULATIONS!

447 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:08am

re: #442 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

My gosh you have a fertile family!!!

448 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:36am

re: #431 Aceofwhat?

Yes, and I agree, except that Russia is again becoming aggressive. Putin no doubt is both pleased and humored.

449 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:08:28am

re: #442 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

Mazel Tov!!!!!

450 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:08:38am

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

My gosh you have a fertile family!!!

We are the primary breeding stock for Zionist Overlords.

451 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:09:19am

re: #407 reine.de.tout

A funny story (well, to me, maybe to others), then off to the doc's office.

My mom and grandmother both collected antiques and old furniture.

Growing up, my mom and her sister had "convent beds" - 4-poster beds used in convents, smaller than a standard single bed. I think these beds were about 5'3" long.

So my mom and my aunt were both about 5'2, and slept in these beds until they grew up.

They married, had kids of their own, and each one took her own bed. I got my mom's bed. I'm 5'6" and a bit.

Growing up, I just accepted that that bed was what I had, and that I had to use it, even though my FEET HUNG OFF THE END.

It wasn't until I was grown and talking with my Mom about it once, that I realized she never knew that I spent my teen years sleeping in a bed that was shorter than I am. It just never occurred to her that I wouldn't fit in that bed; and it never occurred to me, growing up, to point it out.

Too funny.

My current bed was my Great Grandparents and the one my Grandparents used. It has a beautifully carved head board and looks really nice. When the bed was taken apart to move to my place we realized that Grandpa had already modified the part the mattress sits on to make it longer. It's hilarious because it's this weird DIY where he used fence wire and what looks like a pieces of wood from the barn. I love it because it represents my who my Grandparents were so well.

452 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:09:19am

re: #450 Alouette

We are the primary breeding stock for Zionist Overlords.

Ya, about that. My check still hasn't arrived.
/

453 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:11:09am

re: #439 filetandrelease
I don't see how marching in a parade celebrating the defeat of the nazis is going to appease anyone. Do you really think the Russian people still revere Lenin? Putin wants to be a Tsar or Stalin, IMO. But a group of our troops doesn't amount to squat.

454 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:12:12am

re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yah, mine neither!

455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:12:55am

re: #439 filetandrelease

Doesn't bother me a bit. And I'm a wingnut.

The Russians lost MILLIONS in WWII. I honor their sacrifice.

From Wiki?

United States deaths in WWII... Military 416,800, Civilian 1,700.
Russian deaths in WWII... Estimated, Military 8.8 million to 10.7 million, Civilian 12,254,000 to 14,154,000...

Almost half of the deaths in WWII were Soviet. 1,000,000 Soviet Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

456 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:13:13am

re: #448 filetandrelease

Yes, and I agree, except that Russia is again becoming aggressive. Putin no doubt is both pleased and humored.

Bah. Not acting nutty on an important day like this gives us credibility to not be nutty when we need to tell Putin to stop thinking about re-annexing the old USSR club.

This isn't capitulation in the least...i don't know why you would feel it is. To me, it's like an international form of easy bipartisanship. You cross the aisle on clear winners so that you have the moral high ground when you need to tell the other party that they're acting dumber than a bag of hair.

457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:13:13am

re: #442 Alouette

You're still counting?

Congrats!

458 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:13:46am

re: #432 pingjockey

What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?

I hate to say it but I knew a number of SpecOps when I as in - the percentage of conspiracy believers is quite a bit higher than the general population.

Think about it - take intelligent people, teach them to kill in a myriad of ways & then put them in situations where paranoia is a survival trait... I'm more surprised that more of them aren't nuts.

William

459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:05am

re: #457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're still counting?

Congrats!

Yea, but makes you wonder how many fingers she has!!
/

460 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:11am

re: #451 Jadespring

Too funny.

My current bed was my Great Grandparents and the one my Grandparents used. It has a beautifully carved head board and looks really nice. When the bed was taken apart to move to my place we realized that Grandpa had already modified the part the mattress sits on to make it longer. It's hilarious because it's this weird DIY where he used fence wire and what looks like a pieces of wood from the barn. I love it because it represents my who my Grandparents were so well.

Kinda reminds me of when I was going through my grandfather's stuff and came across his Mason's apron, neatly and tightly rolled in its tube. Open it up and unroll it, and there's a half-pack of Camel filterless smokes and an ancient pack of book matches. (He'd supposedly quit when he got married.)

461 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:27am

Ack.
Before I go.
If CATO is still here, an answer to a question from another evening, and I appreciate the question rather than an accusation that I must mean THIS or THAT when I didn't.

The wikileaks video - whose "side" would I put those people on?

In my comment that you were referring to, I said (paraphrasing here) that I don't particularly like dishonest "news" packaged and presented as truth by either side. I used "side" because I was speaking generally, that term is commonly used, and it came to my mind as I was writing.

You asked which "side" I thought the wikileaks people were on.

They seem like an unclassifiable mixed bag of unpleasantness.

A better phrase would have been, I don't like dishonest news packaged and presented as truth no matter who does it.

I think I've been very consistent with that.

That is all.

462 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:27am

re: #458 wlewisiii
Hmmm....

463 researchok  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:43am

re: #442 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

Congrats- and congrats 25 more times for the ones I missed.

464 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:58am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea, but makes you wonder how many fingers she has!!
/

Gotta count those toes, too.

465 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:15:21am

re: #453 pingjockey

It is an emotional reaction for sure, perhaps a bit over done. Which is one reason I come here. Let me just say it doesn't sit right with me.

And I really don't know how the Russian people in general feel about Lenin. But it is being reported that our troops will be saluting him.

466 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:15:24am

Later folks, off to work. Y'all have a good day.

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:15:35am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

(She won't get as many dings as she has grandchildren, though we should try to make sure she does)

468 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:04am

re: #464 reine.de.tout

Gotta count those toes, too.

I can only count to 21 when I'm nekkid. Just sayin'.
/

469 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:20am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea, but makes you wonder how many fingers she has!!
/

I have a degree in Math.

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:23am

re: #464 reine.de.tout

Gotta count those toes, too.

And nostrils, and eyes, and ears.

471 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:26am

re: #456 Aceofwhat?
LOL, can't argue with that.

472 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:17:23am

re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can only count to 21 when I'm nekkid. Just sayin'.
/

wait...you're a eunuch?

(too much...?)

473 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:17:44am

re: #431 Aceofwhat?

Surely celebrating Hitler's defeat does not require full-throated, mindless genuflection to the measurable evils which haunt Russia's past?

I'll bet Reagan dreamed of a day when we could celebrate this sort of holiday in this sort of manner. Sure as hell beats staring at each other with fingers hovering over the big red button, doesn't it??

Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.

474 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:17:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Why are so many people getting bent out of shape over the fact that some US forces are going to be marching in Russia to memorialize the end of WWII in Europe? At the time the Allied Forces were fighting the Nazis and Japanese - and the then Soviets were getting the brunt of the Nazi fighting power directed at them. Millions of Soviets were killed in some of the most brutal fighting ever witnessed. When you think of tank battles, all pale in comparison to the massive tank battles on the steppes of the former Soviet Union. Sieges take on new significance when you mention Stalingrad. Moscow was itself directly threatened by significant land forces until the Soviets managed to stop the Nazi advances.

They take the victory over the Nazis very seriously, as should we.

Saluting this victory in an appropriate manner - marching in a parade saluting those who helped defeat the Nazis is a good thing. Whatever political differences we had then (and have still) were overcome by the desire to rid the planet of a true evil. Maybe there's a lesson to be learned in that as well.

475 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:09am

re: #471 filetandrelease

LOL, can't argue with that.

i'm here all week. try the baby sheep!

476 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:20am

re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is very sad what the Germans did when crossing through Russia. Far worse than most realize.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:42am

Another classy moment at MSNBC...

Mike Barnicle insisting that John McCain is more scared of conservative primary challenger J.D. Hayworth than he ever was of his Vietnamese captors who tortured him. From the April 14, 2010 edition of MSNBC's "Morning Joe"

478 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:58am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.

kill it, DF. and if they screw with the pay scale on your first day, give them the finger for me!

479 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:59am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.

Good luck!

480 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:19:58am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.

Just go in with the smooth confidence that this job may or may not be the right one, and that it would be at least as much a disaster to take the wrong job as it would be to take no job at all.

481 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:20:14am

re: #427 NJDhockeyfan

So you have no definition. You just like to hurl insults at people that don't share your beliefs.

Progressive!

I have a definition for what goes on here in the morning with Mandy, you, and various other ancillary wingnuts (look up the etymology of "ancillary" and please, be insulted - it's meant that way!):

It's a link-spamming, tendentious, Fox-Newsesque imitation of a news service, always finished before Charles wakes up. LGF's very own WPI (Wingnut Press International).

Much appreciated for its transparency.

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:20:59am

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

Another classy moment at MSNBC...

Mike Barnicle insisting that John McCain is more scared of conservative primary challenger J.D. Hayworth than he ever was of his Vietnamese captors who tortured him. From the April 14, 2010 edition of MSNBC's "Morning Joe"


[Video]

That guy is a jackoff.

483 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:21:14am

re: #460 Guanxi88

Kinda reminds me of when I was going through my grandfather's stuff and came across his Mason's apron, neatly and tightly rolled in its tube. Open it up and unroll it, and there's a half-pack of Camel filterless smokes and an ancient pack of book matches. (He'd supposedly quit when he got married.)

:D My Grandfathers domain was the basement where his workshop was. When we were clearing it out we found a few Playboy magazines from the fifties tucked away behind a workbench.

Grandpa!!

LOL the family got a huge laugh with that discovery.

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:23:35am

re: #476 filetandrelease

So, let's honor the Russian people for the sacrifices that they made. Let's march with them, let's show solidarity. We defeated a common enemy.

It's all good.

485 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:23:55am

re: #483 Jadespring

All too often, we forget that the people we love and who made us who were are were human beings.

486 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:24:15am

re: #481 Cato the Elder

I have a definition for what goes on here in the morning with Mandy, you, and various other ancillary wingnuts (look up the etymology of "ancillary" and please, be insulted - it's meant that way!):

It's a link-spamming, tendentious, Fox-Newsesque imitation of a news service, always finished before Charles wakes up. LGF's very own WPI (Wingnut Press International).

Much appreciated for its transparency.

So the links to DKos, Think Progress, HuffPo, and various other far left websites is just fine with you.

Since I've been here LGF has always welcomed points of view from both sides. If you don't like it, tough shit. Go post at DU for some group think to your liking.

487 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:25:51am

re: #461 reine.de.tout

Ack.
Before I go.
If CATO is still here, an answer to a question from another evening, and I appreciate the question rather than an accusation that I must mean THIS or THAT when I didn't.

The wikileaks video - whose "side" would I put those people on?

In my comment that you were referring to, I said (paraphrasing here) that I don't particularly like dishonest "news" packaged and presented as truth by either side. I used "side" because I was speaking generally, that term is commonly used, and it came to my mind as I was writing.

You asked which "side" I thought the wikileaks people were on.

They seem like an unclassifiable mixed bag of unpleasantness.

A better phrase would have been, I don't like dishonest news packaged and presented as truth no matter who does it.

I think I've been very consistent with that.

That is all.

In what way was the Wikileaks revelation dishonest?

Certainly not in the way O'Keefe's pimp tapes were. Wikileaks provided the entire unedited tapes for viewing.

488 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:26:19am

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?

I am self employed and often question the appropriateness of my LGF blogging!

489 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:27:04am

On the subject of surprises tucked away by aged relatives for later discovery, I recall helping my mother and her brothers and sisters clean out my grandfather's shoe closet (the man grew up sharing a pair of beat-up work shoes with his brother; when he got some money, he went all Imelda Marcos) and finding, in a pair of very spiffy boots, a roll of twenties thick enough to choke a horse, a 32 Beretta, and a small card with the word "Ducky" written on it in Pa's fine, spidery script. Mysterious.

490 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:27:18am

re: #481 Cato the Elder
I confess, to a degree you are right about me. You see, I get up and drink some coffee and read various sights on the Internet. Sometimes I find a story that interest me and want the opinion of others with whom I respect.

Generally on this sight I can get a variety of responses to help me understand the article of interest better. Usually with out petty insults by those who may disagree with my take.

Usually by the time Charles wakes up I actually have to start my days activities of running my business. It is not a game of hide and seek.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:27:27am

re: #488 compound idaho

You are absolved, my tater. 56 posts in four months is a wise use of time.

492 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:28:09am

re: #485 Guanxi88

All too often, we forget that the people we love and who made us who were are were human beings.

That's why I loved it when those were found. It was so out of character for the person that we knew. The only person who was offended and wanted it to be hush, hush was Grandmas sister. My Mom and her siblings thought it was a great discovery and very funny.

493 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:28:24am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it OK if I just have a toast to their honor? I'm thinking a good single malt?

494 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:28:27am

re: #487 Cato the Elder

In what way was the Wikileaks revelation dishonest?

Certainly not in the way O'Keefe's pimp tapes were. Wikileaks provided the entire unedited tapes for viewing.

really? why edit a tape dishonestly unless your aim is to edit a tape dishonestly?

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:06am

re: #493 filetandrelease

Well, if you don't have any vodka... Sure...

496 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:18am

re: #487 Cato the Elder

Actually, the tape in question was not provided in full at first. Only an edited version that didn't show the lead up to the shooting incident was presented at first. Later, a version that did include showing that insurgents were operating in the vicinity of the Reuters team was presented, and even that version wasn't a complete version.

497 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:19am

re: #489 Guanxi88

On the subject of surprises tucked away by aged relatives for later discovery, I recall helping my mother and her brothers and sisters clean out my grandfather's shoe closet (the man grew up sharing a pair of beat-up work shoes with his brother; when he got some money, he went all Imelda Marcos) and finding, in a pair of very spiffy boots, a roll of twenties thick enough to choke a horse, a 32 Beretta, and a small card with the word "Ducky" written on it in Pa's fine, spidery script. Mysterious.

That's awesome.

498 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:31am

I would like to state as a Liberal, I try to click through the links to the original source of the article I read on DKos, Think Progress, and or Huffington Post. I think they are useful news aggregates. If it is news a conservative does not like, so be it.

499 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:31am

re: #487 Cato the Elder

In what way was the Wikileaks revelation dishonest?

Certainly not in the way O'Keefe's pimp tapes were. Wikileaks provided the entire unedited tapes for viewing.

Agree with those points.

They edited the tape specifically for political impact.
Wikileaks admitted that, and I said in that thread I preferrred the guy's honesty on that point to a cover-up such as the one done with the O'Keefe tapes. There was also an admission by wikileaks that only 10% of those who watched the doctored tape ever got around to watching the full tape.

The wikileaks tape FEATURED by them was edited and presented dishonestly. I just can't see it any other way. And - I don't like it.

500 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:33am

re: #490 filetandrelease

I confess, to a degree you are right about me. You see, I get up and drink some coffee and read various sights on the Internet. Sometimes I find a story that interest me and want the opinion of others with whom I respect.

Generally on this sight I can get a variety of responses to help me understand the article of interest better. Usually with out petty insults by those who may disagree with my take.

Usually by the time Charles wakes up I actually have to start my days activities of running my business. It is not a game of hide and seek.

Amen.

I'm much the same way, and when I do have time, I pop back in and follow whatever conversation is going on. Even when I don't always have something valuable to contribute, I always get something valuable out of everyone else's contributions.

501 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:06am

re: #494 Aceofwhat?

really? why edit a tape dishonestly unless your aim is to edit a tape dishonestly?

Your assumption that it was done dishonestly begs the question. Id est, quid erit demonstrandum.

502 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:21am

re: #499 reine.de.tout

agree in full

503 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:40am

re: #497 Jadespring

That's awesome.

The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?

504 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:57am

re: #496 lawhawk

Actually, the tape in question was not provided in full at first. Only an edited version that didn't show the lead up to the shooting incident was presented at first. Later, a version that did include showing that insurgents were operating in the vicinity of the Reuters team was presented, and even that version wasn't a complete version.

The AK 47s and rocket launchers were sort of missing from the initial tape weren't they?

505 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:31:17am

re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LOL, you know, that didn't occur to me, perhaps a nice martini is in order.

506 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:31:33am

re: #496 lawhawk

Actually, the tape in question was not provided in full at first. Only an edited version that didn't show the lead up to the shooting incident was presented at first. Later, a version that did include showing that insurgents were operating in the vicinity of the Reuters team was presented, and even that version wasn't a complete version.

As I understand it, that's because 20 minutes are missing and described as "lost" by the Pentagon.

Riiight.

507 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:32:58am

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Your assumption that it was done dishonestly begs the question. Id est, quid erit demonstrandum.

no, my statement that it was edited dishonestly is function of the answer provided by the unedited version.

Nous avons deja repondus a la question que tu continues a poser...

508 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:33:13am

re: #500 Joo-LiZ
Me too, early and late, and this time of year often I am lucky if I can sneak in and just read a bit.

509 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:33:50am

re: #505 filetandrelease

LOL, you know, that didn't occur to me, perhaps a nice martini is in order.

NOW you're letting the Russkies influence you in a negative manner. Martinis contain gin. Vodka is a big tasteless waste of time...

510 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:33:51am

So I'm listening to Pandora radio and the Gladiator theme just popped on.

Sent me right back into a Gladiator-watching mood. That was a really well made movie.

511 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:34:11am

re: #498 prairiefire

I would like to state as a Liberal, I try to click through the links to the original source of the article I read on DKos, Think Progress, and or Huffington Post. I think they are useful news aggregates. If it is news a conservative does not like, so be it.

Upding! I try not to post links directly to blogs. Too many lizards will call me on that. Shit, they don't like most of the MSM news websites I link to. This is a tough crowd sometimes.

512 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:35:07am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

The AK 47s and rocket launchers were sort of missing from the initial tape weren't they?

yep. thus it is no longer an assumption that their tape was selectively edited.

513 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:35:19am

re: #509 Aceofwhat?

NOW you're letting the Russkies influence you in a negative manner. Martinis contain gin. Vodka is a big tasteless waste of time...

Martini's are either gin or vodka.

514 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:36:04am

re: #513 Cannadian Club Akbar

Martini's are either gin or vodka.

Only in these degenerate times. Vodka and vermouth is a commie cocktail; gin and vermouth is a martini, or would be, in more civilized times.

515 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:37:29am

re: #513 Cannadian Club Akbar

Martini's are either gin or vodka.

Dude. that's like saying turkey is either turkey or tofu/

516 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:01am

If my calculations are correct, the Grifter Skank and her Tea-Party Express bus will be passing through Baltimore sometime this morning on the way to Washington for the main Teabonics rally.

Would it be wrong of me to hope they get stuck in a particularly non-Real American section of town for a while? Say, just long enough for the locals to find out who's on the bus?

517 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:29am

re: #481 Cato the Elder

I have a definition for what goes on here in the morning with Mandy, you, and various other ancillary wingnuts (look up the etymology of "ancillary" and please, be insulted - it's meant that way!):

It's a link-spamming, tendentious, Fox-Newsesque imitation of a news service, always finished before Charles wakes up. LGF's very own WPI (Wingnut Press International).

Much appreciated for its transparency.

I enjoy the "wrap up" of news items posted by NJHF and Mandy, and Dr. Cordell, and Ludwig and anyone else who wants to pass something on to us.

518 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:31am

Well I'll be...Heath Shuler did not hear the "N-word" on March 20.

It may be the most celebrated missing recording since Watergate: the nonexistent or unaccounted-for video of the tea-party protesters at the Capitol who three black congressmen claim yelled racial slurs at them on March 20, the eve of ObamaCare's enactment. Jesse Washington, who covers the race beat for the Associated Press, tries to get to the bottom of things. Although he falls well short of establishing the truth or falsehood of the allegation, he comes up with some interesting findings along the way.

There seems to be a little backtracking going on.

519 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:40am

re: #514 Guanxi88

Only in these degenerate times. Vodka and vermouth is a commie cocktail; gin and vermouth is a martini, or would be, in more civilized times.

Most people don't want vermouth with either. But most order martini's rather than ordering a glass of vodka or gin. The latter makes them sound like an alky.:)

520 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:46am

re: #506 Cato the Elder

As I understand it, that's because 20 minutes are missing and described as "lost" by the Pentagon.

Riiight.

Well, you know how messsy a big reel of film can get when it falls out of the container and uncoils in the back of a truck on a bumpy road. The fact that the guys driving it back to the US were able to re-spool as much of the tape that they did is a miracle to me.

It's like when Fox news accidentally grabbed a reel of film from a rally a year ago and aired it as part of a story on another rally in DC this winter. In one clip (showing the huge crowds from a year ago) the sky was blue and the trees had green leaves, then when the speakers were shown, the trees were bare and the sky was gray. Happens all the time.

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:39:21am

re: #509 Aceofwhat?

I was waiting on that.

May I interest you in an Apple-tini?

522 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:39:21am

re: #503 Guanxi88

The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?

Sounds like a wonderful family "mystery" to contemplate. My Grandpa left us with a mystery though not as interesting as that. He would always say grace and he would mumble it. Mom said he did that as long as she could remember and when asked what he said, he never would say. It became this family thing to try to figure it out. I remember us grandkids purposely sitting beside him and leaning in to try to hear and no one ever got it. It got to the point where he promised that he would leave his 'grace' written in his will.

When he died and my aunt got the will one of the first things everyone asked was 'So what about the grace?"

It wasn't in there. :D

523 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:39:38am

re: #509 Aceofwhat?
You mean all these years I only thought I was drinking martinis? Damn, years wasted, years....

524 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:03am

re: #515 Aceofwhat?

mmmm... ToFurkey... mmmm

525 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:12am

re: #516 Cato the Elder

If my calculations are correct, the Grifter Skank and her Tea-Party Express bus will be passing through Baltimore sometime this morning on the way to Washington for the main Teabonics rally.

Would it be wrong of me to hope they get stuck in a particularly non-Real American section of town for a while? Say, just long enough for the locals to find out who's on the bus?

Grifter Skank will be in a private jet flying over Baltimore. The bus is filled with twenty somethings talking about how awesome she is.

526 badger1970  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:29am

re: #519 Cannadian Club Akbar

Most people don't want vermouth with either. But most order martini's rather than ordering a glass of vodka or gin. The latter makes them sound like an alky.:)

That's the way my folks take the meaning as but how much is a "wisp" of vermouth anyway?

527 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:47am

re: #514 Guanxi88

Only in these degenerate times. Vodka and vermouth is a commie cocktail; gin and vermouth is a martini, or would be, in more civilized times.

a commie cocktail is pulonium and vermouth, shaken not stirred. putin and his old buddies in the kgb have been known to make a few of those, wink wink, One for the road..so to speak. the best and last drink you'll ever have!

528 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:41:21am

re: #527 Spider Mensch

a commie cocktail is pulonium and vermouth, shaken not stirred. putin and his old buddies in the kgb have been known to make a few of those, wink wink, One for the road..so to speak. the best and last drink you'll ever have!

Also known as Russian Vespers.

529 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:41:21am

re: #516 Cato the Elder

Would it be wrong of me to hope they get stuck in a particularly non-Real American section of town for a while? Say, just long enough for the locals to find out who's on the bus?

Yes, but your wrong side makes me laugh, so i judge myself to contain less than the minimum moral fiber necessary to ask you to stop/

530 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:42:35am

re: #503 Guanxi88

The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?

My guess is 'Ducky' was a friend/acquaintance of Pa's. He might have been staying at a nearby hotel for a couple of years and Pa was just watching his good boots for him.

531 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:42:38am

re: #519 Cannadian Club Akbar

Most people don't want vermouth with either. But most order martini's rather than ordering a glass of vodka or gin. The latter makes them sound like an alky.:)

"Pink gin," I slurred to the bar-tender, after downing three gimlets in the space of a half hour.

"What the hell is that?" he asked back at me.

"Gin, on the rocks, with about 8 dashes of angostura. Put the bitters on the ice before you pour the gin, or don't, but pretend you did. I'll be happy either way."

532 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:42:42am

re: #526 badger1970

That's the way my folks take the meaning as but how much is a "wisp" of vermouth anyway?

A wisp is the bartender picking up the vermouth bottle and setting it back down.:)

533 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:09am

re: #530 darthstar

My guess is 'Ducky' was a friend/acquaintance of Pa's. He might have been staying at a nearby hotel for a couple of years and Pa was just watching his good boots for him.

Oddly enough, I do know that he was acquainted with a few such people. He had quite the existential amplitude, that man.

534 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:12am

re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was waiting on that.

May I interest you in an Apple-tini?

Wait...let me finish this Cosmo first/

535 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:14am

re: #528 Cato the Elder

Also known as Russian Vespers.


you know it ;)

536 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:54am

re: #534 Aceofwhat?

Wait...let me finish this Cosmo first/

I love a good cosmo. About once a year.

537 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:44:18am

re: #503 Guanxi88

Who was Ducky, indeed.

538 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:44am

re: #537 prairiefire

Who was Ducky, indeed.

If we have this hard of a time figuring out what our own families are up to or meant by the stuff they leave behind, we can only sympathize and admire archaeologists, who try to do much the same thing over the space of centuries, for complete strangers.

539 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:46am

re: #518 NJDhockeyfan

WSJ Op-ed are as bad as Fox. Don't believe the crap you read there.

540 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:48am

re: #523 filetandrelease

You mean all these years I only thought I was drinking martinis? Damn, years wasted, years...

it's never too late to make a change for the better!/

541 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:48am

re: #531 Guanxi88

"Pink gin," I slurred to the bar-tender, after downing three gimlets in the space of a half hour.

"What the hell is that?" he asked back at me.

"Gin, on the rocks, with about 8 dashes of angostura. Put the bitters on the ice before you pour the gin, or don't, but pretend you did. I'll be happy either way."

[Trapper has just opened a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer]
Hawkeye Pierce: I see you are a beer drinker, sir. Would you care for a martini?
Trapper John: A martini? Yeah, I'd love a martini.
Hawkeye Pierce: [to Ho-Jon] Ho-Jon, get the gentleman a martini.
[to Trapper]
Hawkeye Pierce: I'm sure you will find them satisfactory. They're quite dry.
[sips from his glass]
Trapper John: Don't you guys use olives?
Duke Forrest: Olives? Where in the hell do you think we are, man?
Hawkeye Pierce: We have had to make certain concessions for the war; we ARE three miles from the front line.
Trapper John: Yeah but without olives,
[reaches into coat pocket and pulls out a jar of cocktail olives - drops one into his glass]
Trapper John: a martini just doesn't quite make it.
[Hawkeye and Duke stare dumbfounded at the olive]

542 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:46:07am

re: #536 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love a good cosmo. About once a year.

i just got goose bumps. and i don't mean that in a good way/

543 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:03am

Malkin: How to spot and tag a Tea Party infiltrator

Happy Tax Day Tea Party. Be safe out there. A few tips on how to spot and tag a Tea Party infiltrator:

1. Ask them what the 10th amendment says.

2. Two letters: B.O. (and I’m not talking about the president’s initials).

3. Glaringly obvious lack of subtlety.

4. Upside-down flags.

544 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:04am

re: #539 Killgore Trout

WSJ Op-ed are as bad as Fox. Don't believe the crap you read there.

Discrediting a news site again....never fails. Heh.

545 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:25am

re: #539 Killgore Trout

WSJ Op-ed are as bad as Fox. Don't believe the crap you read there.

and yet they're 10x better than the NYT op-ed page. Best just to try to trace sources and reserve quick judgment, n'est-ce pas?

546 Lidane  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:47am

re: #498 prairiefire

I would like to state as a Liberal, I try to click through the links to the original source of the article I read on DKos, Think Progress, and or Huffington Post. I think they are useful news aggregates. If it is news a conservative does not like, so be it.

Yeah, this. I click through, read the original source, then decide if it's worth sharing or not.

That said, this is an absolutely fascinating article, complete with links to the original polling data:

Tea Partiers Get Their News From Fox And Are More Likely To Justify Violence Against The Government

Last night, the New York Times and CBS News released a poll finding that the “18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.” The poll, which “oversampled” Tea Party supporters “for the purpose of analysis” and “then weighted” them “to their proper proportion in the poll,” found that Tea Partiers are more likely than the general public to think President Obama “favors blacks over whites“:

The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.

They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people.

According to the poll, Tea Partiers are also more likely to believe that President Obama was born in another country, with 30 percent believing that compared to 20 percent of the general public. Supporters of the Tea Party are also more likely to believe that violence against the government is sometimes justified.

In terms of where the Tea Party turns for news, the poll found that 63 percent watch Fox News “most for information about politics and current events.” Additionally, 53 percent of Tea Partiers consider “shows hosted by people like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity” to be news rather than entertainment.

The Tea Partiers, who view Sarah Palin very favorably but aren’t sure she is ready to be president, have a distorted image of whether or not their views reflect America. According to the poll, 84 percent of Tea Partiers believe that “the views of the people involved in the Tea Party movement generally reflect the views of most Americans.” Only 25 percent of the general public, however, believe that the Tea Party reflects their views.

547 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #545 Aceofwhat?

and yet they're 10x better than the NYT op-ed page. Best just to try to trace sources and reserve quick judgment, n'est-ce pas?

Doesn't work that way. If you don't like the story, claim the news company isn't credible.

548 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:48:40am

re: #545 Aceofwhat?

Best just to try to trace sources and reserve quick judgment, n'est-ce pas?


No, It's best to ignore the crap you read from unreliable sources.

549 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:39am

re: #546 Lidane

A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!

I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)

550 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:39am

re: #503 Guanxi88

The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?

i admit that the first thing i thought was that he just wanted to remember to buy a rubber ducky for one of his kids. then again, i forget to draw oxygen if i don't find a way to remind myself, so i'm probably projecting. (insert theories about possible Aceofwhat hypoxia-influenced opinions here)

551 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:50am

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

Well, technically, an op-ed page isn't news, it is opinion. I would say the writers of the NYT or WSJ op-ed pages definitely have opinions.

552 bosforus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:52:23am

Oh no they didn't! The Hawaiian day party planning committee is setting up shop in the semi-formal conference area on the other side of my cubicle wall! ARGGGGH! As I'm typing one of them poked their head in and said, Oh, you've got your own littly cubey here, don't you?
How do I respond to such mindless blabber?
Uhhh, obviously, now get out of here!
Image: milton.jpg

553 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:06am

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!

I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)

YOU LINKED TO A PROG BLOG... oh my goodness.

554 bosforus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:20am

re: #552 bosforus

Headphones are now in place.

555 badger1970  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:22am

re: #543 Killgore Trout

In WWII, to detect a German spy, the interrogator would ask the suspect to sing the Star Spangled Banner. If the suspect got to verses two and three....

556 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:31am

re: #552 bosforus

Office Space references always get an upding from me!!

557 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:41am

re: #548 Killgore Trout

No, It's best to ignore the crap you read from unreliable sources.

super. you ignore my sources and i'll ignore yours.

that's not how i want to do this, though...

558 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:17am

re: #501 Cato the Elder

I cAme to that conclusion in the same manner I used to conclude the okeefe tapes were edited dishonestly. But I see lawhawk says the wikileaks didn't get the full tapes at first? Did I read that right?

On iPhone can't type bbl

559 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:22am

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!

I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)

What's funny is "farl-left", given that "farl" is actually a word. Ask Jimmah what it means.

560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:39am

re: #545 Aceofwhat?

Please forgive me, Ace... but isn't using the term "n'est-ce pas" just a teeny tiny ostentatious.

Unless, of course you are French or a French(esque) Cajun or Canadian... posting on a French blog.

Some of are barely monosyllabic. I for one, had four years of Grammar I.

Use the language of the people, man! Common man! Simple kind of man!

561 badger1970  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:49am

Who peed in whose cornflakes this morning? //

562 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:55:57am

re: #537 prairiefire

Who was Ducky, indeed.

The sled.

563 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:55:58am

re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Please forgive me, Ace... but isn't using the term "n'est-ce pas" just a teeny tiny ostentatious.

Unless, of course you are French or a French(esque) Cajun or Canadian... posting on a French blog.

Some of are barely monosyllabic. I for one, had four years of Grammar I.

Use the language of the people, man! Common man! Simple kind of man!

Je conviens.

564 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:56:00am

re: #559 Cato the Elder

What's funny is "farl-left", given that "farl" is actually a word. Ask Jimmah what it means.

Sorry for the typo. I'm sure Jimmah will volunteer the definition.

565 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:56:34am

re: #562 Cato the Elder

The sled.

Cartman's father.

566 bosforus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:56:53am

re: #556 Cannadian Club Akbar

Office Space references always get an upding from me!!

In that case I could just set up a webcam and you could upding my Office Space work day all long day. My karma would be insane!

567 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:24am

re: #543 Killgore Trout

Malkin: How to spot and tag a Tea Party infiltrator

3. Glaringly obvious lack of subtlety.

Yeah, because the real Teabonics signs are so fucking glaringly subtel.

568 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:26am

re: #564 NJDhockeyfan

Sorry for the typo. I'm sure Jimmah will volunteer the definition.

The email chain has already been launched... expect an answer in a few minutes.

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:30am

re: #563 Walter L. Newton

ACK!

(I can speak Martian)

570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:48am

re: #567 Cato the Elder

Excellent point.

571 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:49am

re: #566 bosforus

In that case I could just set up a webcam and you could upding my Office Space work day all long day. My karma would be insane!

Not if you have the wrong stapler!!

572 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:55am

re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Please forgive me, Ace... but isn't using the term "n'est-ce pas" just a teeny tiny ostentatious.

Unless, of course you are French or a French(esque) Cajun or Canadian... posting on a French blog.

Some of are barely monosyllabic. I for one, had four years of Grammar I.

Use the language of the people, man! Common man! Simple kind of man!

I blame Cato. What can i say...i like the latin quotes and i get all continental!

(is this a bad time to admit that i hold my fork in my left hand and knife in right, not pausing to do the awkward switch?)

573 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:59:23am

Europe's VAT Lessons

As Americans rush to complete their annual tax returns today, there is still some consolation in knowing that it could be worse: Like Europeans, we could pay both income taxes and a value-added tax, or VAT. And maybe we soon will. Paul Volcker, Nancy Pelosi, John Podesta and other allies of the Obama Administration have already floated the idea of an American VAT, so we thought you might like to know how it has worked in Europe.

A VAT is essentially a national sales tax that is assessed at each stage of production, with the bill passed along to consumers at the cash register. In Europe the average rate is a little under 20%. (See the nearby chart.) In the U.S., a federal VAT would presumably be levied on top of state and local sales taxes that range as high as 10%. Some nations also exempt food, medicine and certain other goods from the tax.

VATs were sold in Europe as a way to tax consumption, which in principle does less economic harm than taxing income, savings or investment. This sounds good, but in practice the VAT has rarely replaced the income tax, or even resulted in a lower income-tax rate. The top individual income tax rate remains very high in Europe despite the VAT, with an average on the continent of about 46%.

Europe's individual income tax rates have fallen since the 1980s, following the U.S. lead in the Reagan era, and European corporate tax rates have come down even more sharply. But the drive of this decline has been global tax competition, not the offsetting burden of the VAT.

In the U.S., VAT proponents aren't calling for a repeal of the 16th Amendment that allowed the income tax—and, in fact, they want income tax rates to rise. The White House has promised to let the top individual rate increase in January to 39.6% from 35% as the Bush tax cuts expire, while the dividend rate will go to 39.6% from 15% and the capital gains rate to 20% next year and 23.8% in 2013 under the health bill, from 15% today. Even with these higher rates, or because of them, revenues won't come close to paying for the Obama Administration's new spending—which is why it is also eyeing a VAT.

Happy Tax Day!

574 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:01:15am

Wow... brilliant analysis by Max Singer over at JPost.

RTWT

A useful way to think about the possibility for peace between Israel and the Palestinians is to imagine that the Palestinians have been involved in a long-term internal debate. The two sides would be those who think they should continue the effort to eliminate Israel, and those who think the fight to destroy it has gone on long enough, and that it’s time for the Palestinians to pursue their own interests in peace and prosperity.

These two groups have constantly shifting memberships, all of whom have organizational and political interests which complicate their choice. To some extent, many individuals are divided in their own minds, so that the general debate is echoed within individuals.

It is important to note that the debate usually takes place in an environment where public (and even private) discussion is far from free. Providing certain information or expressing some views can be a risk for Palestinians.

Peace depends on those who are ready for winning the internal debate. While those who prefer to keep fighting are on top, there is no chance for a negotiated settlement. Serious negotiations can only begin when the predominant view is that it is necessary to give up the effort to destroy Israel.

There are two dominant issues in the debate. One is whether they have a serious chance of winning if they keep fighting. The other is whether making peace is honorable or shameful.

575 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:01:36am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ACK!

(I can speak Martian)

Gen. Decker: Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers! IDIOTS!

576 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:01:44am

re: #439 filetandrelease

Hitler biggest mistake of the war for sure.

Non the less, for the first time in 65 years U.S. solders will march past Lenin. I find it offensive, as do many.

Appeasing the bear isn't going to work.

Are there any other long-dead icons of failed ideologies that you forbid our troops from walking by?

577 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:02:36am

Nap time. BBIAB.

578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:03:18am

re: #573 NJDhockeyfan

KT? May I ask?

Down-ding for content or source or poster?

579 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:03:50am

re: #566 bosforus

Kelly from "The Office":

580 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:03:57am

re: #575 Walter L. Newton

Gen. Decker: Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers! IDIOTS!

"Sweetie, we may have to [meet with the Martians in the WHouse]"

"Well, they're not going to eat off the Van Buren china!"

581 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:04:04am

Obamacare will make every day feel like April 15th

New taxes on investments, taxes on medical supplies, taxes on drugs and health insurance, and taxes on you if you are just breathing… the list of taxes Americans will face just got a lot longer thanks to ObamaCare.

The health overhaul plan just enacted represents the largest tax hike in U.S. history - $569 billion over 10 years through a dizzying array of taxes and fees that promise to frustrate taxpayers at every turn. ObamaCare will make every day feel like April 15th.

And despite President Obama’s campaign promise that no one making $250,000 or less would see a tax increase, Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation confirms that these tax hikes will hit millions of middle- and working-class families who are struggling to make ends meet.

582 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:05:49am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ACK!

(I can speak Martian)

Careful...it's not nice to mock Martians.

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:05:53am

re: #575 Walter L. Newton

Gen. Decker: Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers! IDIOTS!

The Waco Kid: You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

584 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:04am

re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

KT? May I ask?

Down-ding for content or source or poster?

it's weird either way. disagreeing with the WSJ's political opinions are one thing. disagreeing with their economic analysis, especially without providing counter-facts, is far more dicey.

585 bosforus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:12am

re: #579 prairiefire

I'd never touch anything Creed touched let alone buy and swallow something from him.
That's what she said.

586 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:35am

re: #581 NJDhockeyfan

Obamacare will make every day feel like April 15th

You mean I'll get $4800 from the Feds every day under Obama care? Awesome!

587 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:56am

Before I head off back to my assigned duties, a little more gloating about life in sunny, free, and cheap Guadalupe County, Texas:

Saw the sheriff the other day bringing prisoners to the courthouse. Standing there with the butt of the shotgun propped on his hip, the man looked like the living, breathing embodiment of law and order.

And what was he doing as he stood there supervising? Chatting away in Spanish, English, and Spanglish with prisoners, cops, and passersby about the wonderful bluebonnets that the combination of long drought, a mild winter, and recent ample rains have given us. "My wife just goes nuts for those wildflowers. Best thing Ladybird ever did was get folk to plant them along the roads. If it's not too rainy, we'll do another flower-drive on Sunday, most likely."

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:07:12am

re: #586 darthstar

(7,700 for me, still waiting tho...)

589 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:08:35am

re: #584 Aceofwhat?

I just want to know. Not my business tho.

590 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:08:50am

re: #572 Aceofwhat?

I blame Cato. What can i say...i like the latin quotes and i get all continental!

(is this a bad time to admit that i hold my fork in my left hand and knife in right, not pausing to do the awkward switch?)

Does anyone still do the switch?

591 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:19am

re: #590 Cato the Elder

Does anyone still do the switch?

I do.

592 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:32am

re: #579 prairiefire

Kelly from "The Office":

[Video]

i love that she's also a writer and producer for the show. it took me a whole season to figure that out...she's genius.

593 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:38am

re: #590 Cato the Elder

Does anyone still do the switch?

re: #591 Alouette

As do I

594 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:59am

re: #476 filetandrelease

It is very sad what the Germans did when crossing through Russia. Far worse than most realize.

That was a race war. With extreme prejudice, so to speak.

595 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:10:06am

re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

KT? May I ask?

Down-ding for content or source or poster?

Because it's more bullshit and conspiracy theory from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. VAT being implemented in the US anytime soon is not realistic. It's not going to happen. The wingnuts need thing to hyperventilate over so they just make shit up.

596 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:10:16am

re: #588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(7,700 for me, still waiting tho...)

Submitting my taxes today. I procrastinated this year.

597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:10:58am

re: #592 Aceofwhat?

I didn't know that.

598 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:11:31am

re: #589 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just want to know. Not my business tho.

sure it is. i don't downding without a reason that i can articulate for anyone who's curious...but i don't downding much.

599 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:11:57am

re: #591 Alouette

I do.

re: #593 Joo-LiZ

re: #591 Alouette

As do I

That's one one-hundredth of your lives wasted right there.

I don't even know how to do the switch. I was raised by scientists and artists.

Can you explain it to me in simple steps of one syllable or less? Or better yet, show me a diagram!

600 darthstar  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:12:42am

re: #590 Cato the Elder

Does anyone still do the switch?

Eating with your fork inverted in the left hand is the proper way. "The Switch" is an American mannerism learned from decades of eating TV Dinners from foil trays with spoons.

601 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:12:58am

New jobless claims unexpectedly rise by 24,000

New weekly jobless claims unexpectedly rose by 24,000 to 484,000 last week, the government said this morning, increasing worries that high unemployment will stick around for a long time.

Forecasters had expected the new jobless claims number to come in at 430,000.

The four-week moving average, which smooths out volatility in the number, rose by 7,500 last week to 457,750.

Continuing claims rose from 4.57 million to 4.64 million.

602 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:13:09am

re: #595 Killgore Trout

Because it's more bullshit and conspiracy theory from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. VAT being implemented in the US anytime soon is not realistic. It's not going to happen. The wingnuts need thing to hyperventilate over so they just make shit up.

Washington Post, May 27, 2009:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."

Wall Street Journal, April 8, 2010:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Answering a question at the New York Historical Society on Tuesday, Mr. Volcker said that a VAT—a consumption tax levied along stages of production—"was not as toxic an idea" as it has been, and that both a VAT and some kind of tax on energy need to be on the table. "If at the end of the day we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes," he said.

yeah, Murdoch and the wingnuts are just making it up.

603 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:13:24am

re: #599 Cato the Elder

That's one one-hundredth of your lives wasted right there.

I don't even know how to do the switch. I was raised by scientists and artists.

Can you explain it to me in simple steps of one syllable or less? Or better yet, show me a diagram!

I'm an oddball though... I don't mix my food to much, so when I'm eating meat I eat with fork in left, knife in right... and when I'm done with the meat, I do the switch once and finish off all the sides with fork in right when I don't need the knife.

I'm not always going back and forth.

604 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:13:39am

Breaking news - Rodan caught on tape!

Or is that Pamz in man-drag?

605 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:15:34am

re: #602 Guanxi88

They were just reading a memo they received from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. They really don't mean it.

606 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:15:42am

re: #600 darthstar

Eating with your fork inverted in the left hand is the proper way. "The Switch" is an American mannerism learned from decades of eating TV Dinners from foil trays with spoons.

No it's not. "...originated because the 17th century American colonists had established themselves before the fork, and any custom of its use, had become widespread in Europe. The implement did not become widespread in Europe (certainly northern Europe) until the 18th century, and was not adopted in the United States until the 19th century. The American use of blunt-ended knives was also a factor"

607 Lidane  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:16:06am

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!

I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)

The link provides the original polling data in PDF form, along with links to their original sources. That is enough for me.

I don't care about Think Progress. I happened to see the article there and found it interesting. That's all.

608 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:16:08am

re: #605 NJDhockeyfan

They were just reading a memo they received from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. They really don't mean it.

Stupidly, they gave it to Volcker, and how the hell did Kent Conrad get such an early draft of it?

609 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:16:12am

re: #595 Killgore Trout

The GAO has studied the issue before (in 2008) and provided the report to Congress for further evaluation.

It's not like they (Congress, GAO, and other government entities) haven't looked at the VAT as a possible alternative or addition to the existing tax scheme. The question is whether a VAT would have any chance of success in the current political climate. I don't think it will, not after the HCR and forecasted fallout in November.

610 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:17:04am

re: #595 Killgore Trout

Because it's more bullshit and conspiracy theory from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. VAT being implemented in the US anytime soon is not realistic. It's not going to happen. The wingnuts need thing to hyperventilate over so they just make shit up.

You should save your inventions for the occasions when necessity requires maternal care. The article said that Volcker, Pelosi, and a few others have 'floated the idea', and then explains some well-known (at least i thought they were well-known) examples of the VAT in action.

Seems like real facts with some opinion added in. Who's hyperventilating again?

611 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:17:07am

re: #551 prairiefire

Well, technically, an op-ed page isn't news, it is opinion. I would say the writers of the NYT or WSJ op-ed pages definitely have opinions.

The distinction should be obvious, shouldn't it? WSJ and NYT Op-Ed pages are clearly labeled as opinion. You know what you are getting: WSJ is righty. NYT lefty.

The news pages of each ought to be impartial, and I think generally are. (Cue the howls from the "MSM sucks" crowd.) The WSJ news pages have begun a dumbing-down process under Murdoch that is pretty sad (they were famous for thoughtful long-form journalism), but they remain pretty good at leaving the opinion stuff on the Op-Ed page. (The Columbia Journalism Review (cjr.org) follows the evolution of the WSJ pretty closely, and they also act as a pretty good observer and scorekeeper on all the big media, with a heavy emphasis on print.

Then there's Fox News. That is where I think the news/opinion dichotomy breaks down. Far more than any other broadcast or cable channel (or mainstream print media) they have integrated their opinion and news operations into one seamless shop that is on a unified set of talking points all the time. I know that some here take the view that Fox is just the righty version of MSNBC, but I don't think that withstands any kind of fair viewing. When MSNBC or CNN or the big three are doing news, they are trying to be down the middle of the plate. Their opinion people, clearly not, but there is a discernible line between their opinion people and their news people that simply doesn't exist on Fox.

My hat's off to Murdoch. Having perceived that the marketplace would tolerate and even reward the kind of news/opinion mix he dishes out elsewhere, he went all in on it and it is working for him. I think it is bad for this country, and clearly Murdoch's interests have nothing to do with our national interests, but so what? He has a right to do it, it works, it makes money, end of story.

612 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:17:58am

Good morning, folks. Hope you've got a good one on tap today.

613 Lidane  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:00am

And on that note, I'm off to the endocrinologist. I have lab work and a complete physical in my future. Oh joy.

Have a great day, Lizards! :)

614 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:49am

re: #610 Aceofwhat?

You should save your inventions for the occasions when necessity requires maternal care. The article said that Volcker, Pelosi, and a few others have 'floated the idea', and then explains some well-known (at least i thought they were well-known) examples of the VAT in action.

Seems like real facts with some opinion added in. Who's hyperventilating again?

If the Dems seriously start trying to sell the Americans people on the amazing benefits of a VAT tax I guarantee you will see KT all of a sudden become a cheerleader for it.

615 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:59am

re: #611 garhighway

The distinction should be obvious, shouldn't it? WSJ and NYT Op-Ed pages are clearly labeled as opinion. You know what you are getting: WSJ is righty. NYT lefty.

[snip]

The NYT opinion page is not lefty. It's very balanced.

616 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:20:03am

re: #607 Lidane

The link provides the original polling data in PDF form, along with links to their original sources. That is enough for me.

I don't care about Think Progress. I happened to see the article there and found it interesting. That's all.

It was interesting - i liked it. I think NJD's point is that sometimes partisan sources have good stuff and sometimes they post crap. We should just call the crap by its true name rather than disqualifying partisan sources entirely. Seems like a more inclusive way to discuss the issues, IMHO...

617 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:20:28am

re: #599 Cato the Elder

That's one one-hundredth of your lives wasted right there.

I don't even know how to do the switch. I was raised by scientists and artists.

Can you explain it to me in simple steps of one syllable or less? Or better yet, show me a diagram!

I was brought up the two-handed way, and I started using the fork switch because I eat too fast and this makes me slow down and eat less. In theory.

618 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:20:33am

Tea Party leaders efforts to restrict Da Crazy:[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

619 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:21:54am

re: #595 Killgore Trout

Volcker floating the idea last weeks saying it was not longer a "toxic" idea kind of stirred it up, you know.

Those are trial balloons; you know it KT.

Probably scattershot to throw the "wingnuts" in a tizzy, but he did say it. Can't be denied.

620 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:22am

re: #612 MrSilverDragon
On TAP?
...Having a Galactic Kegger!!
Actually .....I'm an Electrician today....
Tomorrow ..who knows!

621 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:36am

re: #595 Killgore Trout

Thank you for answering, by the way.

622 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:38am

re: #602 Guanxi88

Obama's not going to propose it and congress isn't going to pass it. It's not a realistic concern.

623 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:50am

re: #618 prairiefire

Tea Party leaders efforts to restrict Da Crazy:[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Keep an eye on Denver this afternoon. It could get ugly.

624 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:23:29am

re: #617 Alouette

I was brought up the two-handed way, and I started using the fork switch because I eat too fast and this makes me slow down and eat less. In theory.

I cut up my food first, then shovel everything straight from the plate into my maw, with the knife.

625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:24:09am

re: #624 Cato the Elder

My maw cooks for me!

626 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:25:50am

re: #625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife is on a "special diet"...
So far" I "have lost 5.5 lbs!
Been under 200lbs for a week now!
Damn!

627 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:26:06am

re: #609 lawhawk

The GAO has studied the issue before (in 2008) and provided the report to Congress for further evaluation.

It's not like they (Congress, GAO, and other government entities) haven't looked at the VAT as a possible alternative or addition to the existing tax scheme. The question is whether a VAT would have any chance of success in the current political climate. I don't think it will, not after the HCR and forecasted fallout in November.

2008! Where was the wingnut outrage then?
I also think it's funny that the same idiots who think the Fair Tax is a good idea are freaking out about VAT. They are essentially the same thing. It's just another case of wingnuts opposing their own ideas if the Dems start considering them.

628 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:26:35am

Nonsensical Facebook quote of the day:

Dalai Lama: Interdependence is a fundamental law of nature. Even tiny insects survive by mutual cooperation based on innate recognition of their interconnectedness. It is because our own human existence is so dependent on the help of others that our need for love lies at the very foundation of our existence. Therefore we need a genuine sense of responsibility and a sincere concern for the welfare of others.

Bullshit on the insects part. Small insects survive by eating smaller insects. And so, ad infinitum. True interconnectedness.

629 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:27:15am

re: #614 NJDhockeyfan

If the Dems seriously start trying to sell the Americans people on the amazing benefits of a VAT tax I guarantee you will see KT all of a sudden become a cheerleader for it.

Bullshit. I'm very opposed to VAT but it's not a realistic concern.

630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:27:30am

re: #628 Cato the Elder

(top of voice)

"THE CIIIRRRCCCLLLEEE, THE CIIRRCCCLLLE OF LIIIFFFFEEEE!"

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:01am

re: #622 Killgore Trout

Why do you think that President's top financial adviser floated the idea?

Not arguing, just trying to understand.

632 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:09am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

2008! Where was the wingnut outrage then?
I also think it's funny that the same idiots who think the Fair Tax is a good idea are freaking out about VAT. They are essentially the same thing. It's just another case of wingnuts opposing their own ideas if the Dems start considering them.

They are not the same thing. The Fair Tax would replace Income tax and get rid of the IRS. The VAT Tax would be in addition to our current taxes and help expand the IRS. There is a massive difference between the two.

633 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:19am

re: #622 Killgore Trout

Obama's not going to propose it and congress isn't going to pass it. It's not a realistic concern.

Volcker said it, which was reported accurately AFAIK, and explaining the downsides seems like a perfectly normal thing for a financial-heavy paper to opine on. Making it even less realistic by outlining its shortcomings is not wingnuttery...in fact, it's not even unreasonable.

634 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:38am

re: #629 Killgore Trout

Bullshit. I'm very opposed to VAT but it's not a realistic concern.

I'm glad to hear that.

:)

635 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:45am

re: #349 reine.de.tout

OMG.
Too damned funny.
Really funny.
I thought this was going to be a story about some sort of heirloom that somebody got and immediately broke, or something.
Too funny.

My grandfather's fifth divorce featured an incredibly bitter fight overe a non-heirloom, inexpensive butter dish.

(He was being represented in this divorce by an unfortunate cousin of my father's, so we got a lot of the gory details.)

636 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:30:13am

re: #592 Aceofwhat?

I like her busting up the East Indian stereotype of being mostly super smart professionals. Granted, most EI's fit that profile. Mindy Kaling takes that and tweaks it.

637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:30:15am

re: #626 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm 6'2", 220 or so...

If it weren't for beer, I'd probably weigh a hundred and eight.

But, I'd look funny. (I have a gigantic melon head)...

638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:31:26am

re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(eighty... a hundred and eighty)... shit.

639 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:31:39am

re: #631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do you think that President's top financial adviser floated the idea?

Not arguing, just trying to understand.

Because he's an economist discussing ideas. There's nothing new, outrageous or exciting about it. If Obama starts talking about VAT, then I'll start to worry. Until then it's just something for the wingnuts to get excited over.

640 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:31:45am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

2008! Where was the wingnut outrage then?
I also think it's funny that the same idiots who think the Fair Tax is a good idea are freaking out about VAT. They are essentially the same thing. It's just another case of wingnuts opposing their own ideas if the Dems start considering them.

Notable difference...few suspect the Dems will REPLACE the income tax with a VAT.

Replacement vs. addition...critical.

And for the record, i'm uneasy about the Fair tax. Cards on table.

641 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:32:18am

re: #632 NJDhockeyfan

gmta...

642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:32:59am

re: #636 prairiefire

I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)

643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:33:58am

re: #639 Killgore Trout

Thanks, buddy!

Y'all have a great day! My tie is tied, and I'm ready to ride!

644 cliffster  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:35:53am
645 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:36:41am

re: #581 NJDhockeyfan

Obamacare will make every day feel like April 15th

That piece uses so many dog-whistles ('confiscate', 'breath tax', 'job-killing', etc.) I'm surprised it's properly spelt. You can see how quickly a birther came running at the sound.

Stylistic quibbles aside though, her point is a simple one. The Health Care bill raises some taxes. It doesn't, of course, raise them to the point that the piece strongly implies, where the populace groans under the burden that the oppressive masters heaps upon them, but some taxes are raised. Americans, nonetheless, are and still will be comparatively lightly taxed.

The Health bill is not a good bill. It does not do enough to control costs as is, though it does not do nothing as opponents imply. The individual mandate is not a good idea. It wasn't a good idea when the Republicans proposed it in the 90s, it's still not a good idea. However, there is currently not enough political will, and too much cultlike opposition, to do the things that actually will reduce health care costs, such as some version of public health insurance and a national pharmacy. We can only hope that this bill at least gets people used to the idea of having health insurance, so that at some point in the future this necessary step can be taken.

646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:37:30am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)

Henry Cho!

Listening to him could almost be described as cognitive dissonance.

647 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:37:59am

re: #632 NJDhockeyfan

They are not the same thing. The Fair Tax would replace Income tax and get rid of the IRS. The VAT Tax would be in addition to our current taxes and help expand the IRS. There is a massive difference between the two.

Hi NJD! As we've chatted about before, you're correct that they are not exactly the same thing. The main difference between the Fair Tax and the VAT (as the concepts currently exist) is that the Fair Tax proposals call for a single tax at the point of sale. VAT proposals, on the other hand, call for a tax at each point in the production cycle of a good, product, or service.

But you could make the case that KT would also be correct if the total tax percentages for a Fair Tax vs a VAT were the same. For example, if the Fair Tax on a pencil was set at 10%, and the combined VAT for the items used in the pencil also added up to 10%, they would essentially be the same - regardless of which system was implemented.

648 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:38:35am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)

Guy on my tennis team was EI from Texas. He was waaay Texan. Didn't handle losing well...it was half-comical, half-embarrassing to watch him occasionally get in someone's face after losing. Bad sportsmanship but the Texan accent and attitude...hysterical

649 cliffster  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:39:00am

re: #646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Henry Cho!

Listening to him could almost be described as cognitive dissonance.

that's some funny shit

650 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:39:22am

re: #643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, buddy!

Y'all have a great day! My tie is tied, and I'm ready to ride!

go get that cake!

651 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:40:58am

re: #646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Henry Cho!

Listening to him could almost be described as cognitive dissonance.

In the German Version of "Airplane!", they have the two black fellows speaking jive dubbed in a thick Bavarian accent. One of the highlights of German humor (I can mail you the other three upon request).

btw. The German title for the film is "Die unglaubliche Reise in einem total Verruecken Flugzeug"

Gosh, that leaves only two highlights left...

652 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:41:54am

re: #400 filetandrelease

Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.

And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.

The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.

Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.

653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:42:46am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

We got past it. SFZ, he saw the light. (I think)

654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:43:11am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

Look at Lawhawk's take on it. Was a lovely post.

655 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:43:24am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.

Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.

No worries...i think i got Filet around to my POV on this one...which i suspect mirrors yours quite closely.

656 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:44:58am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)

I had an Asian co-worker who spoke with a Southern accent. I didn't realize that is what it was until I asked him where he was from. "From the South," he said. "South Korea or South Vietnam?" I asked. He said, "South Carolina!"

657 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:11am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.

Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.


Real Americans (TM) are bred to have a kneejerk adverse reaction to any sign or symbol of Communism. Even the Russian have learned to accept Lenin as just another part of their history and culture, right along with Ivan the Terrible and Rasputin...

658 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:17am

re: #653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We got past it. SFZ, he saw the light. (I think)

As an aside, i love how consistent SFZ's style is. She works hard to catch up...at least once per day i can tell she's logging back on because there will be a flurry of well-reasoned opinions on posts from #25 through the current one.

It's an endearing trait of hers...

659 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:25am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.

Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.

Hi SFZ! I don't see a problem either. I met a Russian admiral at a conference a number of years ago. I was wearing my dolphin pin in the lapel of my jacket, and he was in uniform with his submariner's insignia. He looked a my dolphin pin, and I looked at his insignia. We both nodded to each other, and the dour old admiral broke into a smile. He pointed to my dolphins and then to his insignia.

We traded.

660 cliffster  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:39am
661 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:46:12am

re: #442 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.

This makes 26 for the Babushka.

Mazal tov!

662 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:49:56am

Unemployment likely to remain high for two more years, IMF predicts

Economic recovery will do little to bring down unemployment rates in Europe, the United States and other developed countries for nearly two more years, the International Monetary Fund projected Wednesday in a report that highlighted the lingering challenges of the worst recession in decades.

Releasing what IMF officials called a "somber" forecast, the agency said government stimulus and other policies remain needed to offset slow private job creation -- evidence of the dilemma policymakers face as they decide whether trimming high government deficits outweighs the risk of undermining employment even further if public programs are cut.

High unemployment is one of the central issues confronting officials as they deal with the recession's aftermath.

While employment is expected to expand this year, the number of new jobs won't be enough to make up for a growing labor force and bring down the unemployment rate, the IMF said. The agency projected that the unemployment rate throughout the developed world will remain around 9 percent through 2011.

I thought the stimulus bill was supposed to fix the problem. What happened?

663 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:50:32am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

Hold on-Pondering a flat or fair or VAT tax to replace the current system is one thing-arguable on its own. To contemplate those things in addition to income and sales taxes is a whole other ballgame. And far more objectionable in my view.

Just scroll the rhetoric and check the numbers of each proposal. The presence or agreement of any wing-nuts really should not cloud the issues. They are not elected. Merely loud.

664 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:50:44am

re: #611 garhighway

CNN and MSNBC attempt to emulate FOX's model - blend opinion and entertainment, with a smattering of news. MSNBC has clearly decided to present news with a lefty spin and opinion that appeals to those with a lefty mindset. CNN has rather pathetically decided that everything must be absolutely equivalent, and so does nothing but follow Conservative media talking points and then present them as just one side of a story, even if they are demonstrably false. It's a stupid idea - Conservatives will never consider them as anything but the communist media, grab-bag liberals will now consider them the enemy as well, and people who think can see through the ridiculous equivocation that they try to foist on everything.

FOX, however, has now moved beyond that news/entertainment/opinion model to bigger and better things. FOX now creates news - having shamed the regular media with endless accusations of bias, they now know that they can create stories out of whole cloth and blatantly present Red Facts (which may occasionally intersect with actual facts), and the regular media will give them at least lip service. FOX has created a fantasy world (any resemblance to real-life people, places or events is purely... well, I guess it's not coincidental), and it is given at least some legitimacy through the reporting of actual media that follow their stories. It works out gangbusters for them - their cultists get to live in the fantasy world made for them, and normal people hear about it through the usual channels, which have been fooled/shamed into giving it legitimacy.

665 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:51:37am

Second most-nonsensical Facebook post of the day:

I don't understand resistance to "Cap and Trade". Seems to make sense to me. But then I truly care about the environment.

It seems to make sense to her, and she truly cares about the environment. Therefore it will work, dammit!

666 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:51:46am

re: #576 garhighway

Are there any other long-dead icons of failed ideologies that you forbid our troops from walking by?

I forbid them nothing, just don't like it.

667 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:19am

re: #628 Cato the Elder

Beg to differ. Symbiotic insects abound.

Besides this is a pretty good image of nature. Uh, literally, the image I linked. Not PR image.

669 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:26am

re: #660 cliffster

More democrat accounting

Yeah, because McDonald's is known to be a librul democrat company.

670 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:43am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
It was an emotional out burst, I am feeling better now thank you.

671 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:53am

re: #666 filetandrelease

I forbid them nothing, just don't like it.

well, now that you've identified yourself as the Beast, i will take a step back/

672 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:12am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.

Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.

Like the (apocryphal) Japanese soldier stuck on a deserted island still fighting WWII, some lizards are still fighting the Cold War.

673 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:14am

re: #663 Rightwingconspirator

Hold on-Pondering a flat or fair or VAT tax to replace the current system is one thing-arguable on its own. To contemplate those things in addition to income and sales taxes is a whole other ballgame. And far more objectionable in my view.

Just scroll the rhetoric and check the numbers of each proposal. The presence or agreement of any wing-nuts really should not cloud the issues. They are not elected. Merely loud.

Spot on! I wish politician's would take your advice on every proposal, but sadly they rarely do. It would also be nice if they made an effort to at least try to identify what are called "unintended consequences" of their decisions - which they also rarely do.

674 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:47am

re: #672 bratwurst

Like the (apocryphal) Japanese soldier stuck on a deserted island still fighting WWII, some lizards are still fighting the Cold War.

Fluoridation!!11!

675 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:56am
676 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:59am

re: #667 Rightwingconspirator

Beg to differ. Symbiotic insects abound.

Besides this is a pretty good image of nature. Uh, literally, the image I linked. Not PR image.

That's not symbiosis, that's insect slavery.

677 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:56:08am

re: #673 subsailor68

Oops! politician's = politicians.

678 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:56:33am

re: #668 Killgore Trout

DC protests off to a slow start this morning

Never fear, there will have been tens of dozens of them by the time the party breaks up.

They take the protesting in shifts. Two old biddies stand up and hold misspelled signs for every eight who relax in portable sports chairs.

679 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:57:15am

re: #667 Rightwingconspirator

Beg to differ. Symbiotic insects abound.

Besides this is a pretty good image of nature. Uh, literally, the image I linked. Not PR image.

I'm with Cato. I accept insect life as an admirable goal of interconnectedness when we decide it's ok if i inject you with toxins and then feed you to my kids/

680 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:10am

re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist

The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.

There's a lot of that going around. Unless you're being all ironical and stuff, in which case: tee hee.

681 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:42am

re: #670 filetandrelease

It was an emotional out burst, I am feeling better now thank you.

Pleased to hear it. I shall proceed onward with the thread!

682 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:53am

re: #671 Aceofwhat?
LOL, took me a second.

683 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:55am

re: #676 Cato the Elder

I missed that in biology class. :)>

Ant Civil Rights! Ant Civil Rights! Ant Farms are evil!

My Aunt never had s... ants.

684 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:59:52am

Teen's racist terror group


NEO-Nazis armed with a deadly chemical were in the early stages of paramilitary activity and were plotting against the Government, a court heard.

Members of Aryan Strike Force discussed on their website, "Resisting the Government," who they called Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG), because they believed it had been taken over by Jews.

Ian Davison, 41, has already pleaded guilty to preparing for acts of terrorism and producing a chemical weapon, ricin.

His son Nicky Davison, 19, is on trial at Newcastle Crown Court and denies three charges of possessing a record containing information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing for acts of terrorism.

The documents found on two computers at Davison's Co. Durham home, called The Anarchist's Cookbook and The Poor Man's James Bond, included details on how to make deadly ricin and how to make bombs and other explosives.

The court heard Ian Davison had set up the Aryan Strike Force website, which his son helped to run, in January 2008, and the group were "in the early stages of becoming active".

685 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:01:22am

re: #678 Cato the Elder

Never fear, there will have been tens of dozens of them by the time the party breaks up.

They take the protesting in shifts. Two old biddies stand up and hold misspelled signs for every eight who relax in portable sports chairs.

The San Francisco Chron's op ed page this morning contained a passionate defense of the Bay Area Patriots, and their Tea Party this evening.

I would love to go, to take photos and see who turns out for a San Francisco Tea Party, but I get off work in Richmond at 4 PM, and I just don't have the energy.

Obdi, planning to check it out?

686 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:01:59am

Transmission of mitochondrial diseases from mother to offspring could be prevented

Mitochondrial disease is a comparatively minor subset of hereditary conditions, and receives little press. Some mitochondrial conditions are devastating, but their rarity means that not a lot of time is devoted to them. Which is fine, really - diseases don't all have to have equal attention.

What's described here is cloning. The technique used is not fundamentally any different from somatic cell nuclear transfer, the typical technology that comes to mind when cloning is thought of. It's not approved on humans yet, but when it is, it will essentially be human cloning.

Your opinions on that may vary. It's a knotty problem. Personally, I'm hoping for a few clones to help my time management.

687 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:02:53am

re: #683 Rightwingconspirator

I missed that in biology class. :)>

Ant Civil Rights! Ant Civil Rights! Ant Farms are evil!

My Aunt never had s... ants.

that was funny.

I love animal biology. It was my favorite part of my biology major. But folks who anthropomorphize or want to tell me about lessons for humanity derived from the animal world...gah. There is a tremendous amount to be learned about ANIMALS through the study of ANIMALS...a noble enough pursuit in its own right. No need to pretend that we get a bonus human sociology lesson from the study of wildlife where none exists...

688 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:02:53am

re: #680 negativ

There's a lot of that going around. Unless you're being all ironical and stuff, in which case: tee hee.

No, I just grew up around Russians. Good folks, but self-deprecating is not one of their common characteristics.

689 cliffster  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:03:13am

Haha

To the Editor:
I object and take exception to everyone saying
that Obama and Congress are spending money like
a drunken sailor. As a former drunken sailor,
I quit when I ran out of money.

Bruce L Hargraves
USN Retired
Worland

690 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:03:18am

re: #651 ralphieboy

In the German Version of "Airplane!", they have the two black fellows speaking jive dubbed in a thick Bavarian accent. One of the highlights of German humor (I can mail you the other three upon request).

btw. The German title for the film is "Die unglaubliche Reise in einem total Verruecken Flugzeug"

Gosh, that leaves only two highlights left...

Heh, go ahead, what's the third? (I took German once upon a time in HS.)

I'm reminded of how a friend of mine in the military went in to take his language test for german - pass it to be rated in the language and get $X more a month on your check. This was before the wall came down so East Germany was very much a factor. Anyway he went in to take his test and like most American Soldiers he'd learned his German in Bavaria. His tester was an aristocratic lady from Berlin :O and it's a verbal test...

After the test was over he asked how he sounded. Her reply - "Like you have a throat disease!" She did pass him and he became known for his throat disease ;)

William

691 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:05:44am

re: #686 Renaissance_Man

Oooh...meaty post! Thanks!

Is this cloning or porting genes from cell A to cell B, minus the bad part? And are those the same thing?

Oops, geek drool. Can i borrow a napkin?/

692 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:06:50am

re: #679 Aceofwhat?

I'm with Cato. I accept insect life as an admirable goal of interconnectedness when we decide it's ok if i inject you with toxins and then feed you to my kids/

Life is interconnected. It's just not interconnected pretty the way the Dalai Lama describes it.

Those Spanish pigs who gave their lives for the chorizo I ate for breakfast are not singing the "Ode to Joy" in my stomach right now.

693 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:27am

re: #689 cliffster

Haha

I was wondering when the drunken sailors would finally stand up.

694 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:31am

re: #692 Cato the Elder

Life is interconnected. It's just not interconnected pretty the way the Dalai Lama describes it.

Those Spanish pigs who gave their lives for the chorizo I ate for breakfast are not singing the "Ode to Joy" in my stomach right now.

Luckily. That would awful disturbing.

695 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:36am

re: #691 Aceofwhat?

It's cloning - transfer the nucleus from your embryo to an enucleated donor egg that doesn't have diseased mitochondria.

696 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:37am

WWII as mutiplayer stragetgy game

697 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:56am

re: #693 Stanley Sea

I was wondering when the drunken sailors would finally stand up.

Usually the morning after.

698 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:08:35am

re: #692 Cato the Elder

Seems fair, the earth eats us all in the end.

699 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:08:57am
700 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:09:25am

re: #687 Aceofwhat?

that was funny.

I love animal biology. It was my favorite part of my biology major. But folks who anthropomorphize or want to tell me about lessons for humanity derived from the animal world...gah. There is a tremendous amount to be learned about ANIMALS through the study of ANIMALS...a noble enough pursuit in its own right. No need to pretend that we get a bonus human sociology lesson from the study of wildlife where none exists...

Where none exists?

I beg to differ. The higher animals can teach us plenty about ourselves. Such as why in war or famine situations it's OK to kill you're neighbor's kids.

701 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:10:45am
702 cliffster  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:11:17am

re: #692 Cato the Elder

Life is interconnected. It's just not interconnected pretty the way the Dalai Lama describes it.

Those Spanish pigs who gave their lives for the chorizo I ate for breakfast are not singing the "Ode to Joy" in my stomach right now.

ashes to ashes, chorizo to chorizo

703 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:11:25am

re: #658 Aceofwhat?

As an aside, i love how consistent SFZ's style is. She works hard to catch up...at least once per day i can tell she's logging back on because there will be a flurry of well-reasoned opinions on posts from #25 through the current one.

It's an endearing trait of hers...

I was actually thinking of her when I posted the poem this morning from the Writer's Almanac..... a gift to share with someone who would appreciate it.

704 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:12:42am

re: #697 garhighway

Usually the morning after.

LOL! Quick story. I was the maneuvering watch helmsman on the sub, because the captain wanted a senior man in that position when we were in restricted waters.

The night before we deployed on one run, a bunch of us went to a few clubs, and I had many more tasty beverages that I should have. The next morning, I woke in my rack and felt the boat moving. In a panic I jumped up, just knowing I was in trouble.

I ran into the chief of the boat in the passageway and told him how sorry I was. He just looked at me for a moment then said,

'Don't sweat it. The captain polled the crew, and we all decided to let someone else drive."

705 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:14:13am

re: #703 Ericus58

I was actually thinking of her when I posted the poem this morning from the Writer's Almanac... a gift to share with someone who would appreciate it.

I did. :)

706 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:14:42am
707 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:15:11am

Working smarter with less, an oft result of an economic downturn.

1. Fortune 500 companies tripled their profits to $391 billion in 2009.

2. They also slashed their payrolls by more than 800,000 jobs.

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

708 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:15:54am

re: #706 Killgore Trout

Tea Party live stream

That sounds dirty.

709 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:15:57am

re: #701 Killgore Trout

Not racist tea party

He may be telling the truth - I actually think there's some truth to the assertion that the main opposition is not about the President's race. It's about hatred of 'liberals', whatever they understand those 'not real Americans' to be.

It's still not based in facts, of course - the actual policies and deeds of the 'enemy' in question don't matter. All that's important is that they're one of 'them', a liberal, a socialist, a progressive, and are therefore evil. Thus everything they stand for and do must also be wrong.

710 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:17:41am

I want to see a Teabonics sign that reads, "Stop Trigonomicide! Down with teh Deth Panils!"

711 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:18:02am

re: #709 Renaissance_Man

He may be telling the truth - I actually think there's some truth to the assertion that the main opposition is not about the President's race. It's about hatred of 'liberals', whatever they understand those 'not real Americans' to be.

It's still not based in facts, of course - the actual policies and deeds of the 'enemy' in question don't matter. All that's important is that they're one of 'them', a liberal, a socialist, a progressive, and are therefore evil. Thus everything they stand for and do must also be wrong.

I think you're right--but the cute hip-hoppy phrasing and spelling of that sign does make me wonder.

712 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:18:07am

re: #708 JasonA

That sounds dirty.

It's always dirtier when you're downstream.

713 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:19:33am

re: #695 Renaissance_Man

It's cloning - transfer the nucleus from your embryo to an enucleated donor egg that doesn't have diseased mitochondria.

I think i disagree, but i admit the discussion may flesh out something that i haven't considered fully enough.

Cloning, to me, is replication...that is, no fertilization is involved. This appears to be a post-fertilization transfer with manipulation.

"Turnbull and his team transferred nuclei from 80 embryos just after fertilization."

There's an important difference there...i think. I welcome fleshing it out with you.

714 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:21:36am

re: #700 Cato the Elder

Where none exists?

I beg to differ. The higher animals can teach us plenty about ourselves. Such as why in war or famine situations it's OK to kill you're neighbor's kids.

Ha! But when they look into a mirror, what do they see...

715 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:23:33am

OK, now I want an iPad.

716 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:24:52am

re: #696 negativ

WWII as mutiplayer stragetgy game

[Video]

I laughed so hard I swear I damn near wet myself.

717 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:25:28am

Also from the Tea Party front, this:

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Strange days.

718 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:25:48am

re: #716 Renaissance_Man

I laughed so hard I swear I damn near wet myself.

My husband is a fan of that piece.

719 bosforus  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:26:40am

re: #715 Cato the Elder

OK, now I want an iPad.

Resist the tendency to accidentally snap it in half.

720 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:27:53am

re: #717 garhighway

Also from the Tea Party front, this:

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Strange days.

"no, we don't fund the tea parties...we fund the astroturfing company that funds the tea parties. can't you MSM folks get your act together?"

yeesh.

721 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:28:12am

re: #717 garhighway

That's odd.

722 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:28:46am

re: #713 Aceofwhat?

You're right, this is not 'cloning' as in 'creating a new being that is a replica of a current one'. It's nuclear transfer, which is a standard cloning technique. However, should it be possible to bring these embryos to term, there's nothing preventing, say, transfering the nuclei from all 4 cells at the 4-cell stage to 4 different eggs. In fact, for therapeutic purposes, given the hit-or-miss nature of these things, that's probably what would be done. And if more than one of those transferred eggs comes to term... Instant clones.

723 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:29:55am

re: #690 wlewisiii

Heh, go ahead, what's the third? (I took German once upon a time in HS.)

The title of "Airplane! The Sequel" -

"Die unglaubliche Reise in einem total verrueckten Raumschiff"

724 garhighway  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:32:34am

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

"no, we don't fund the tea parties...we fund the astroturfing company that funds the tea parties. can't you MSM folks get your act together?"

yeesh.

I recall some discussion in these pages a while back about the Koch family and their scion's role in the JBS.

It looks like the next generation didn't stray far from Dad's path.

725 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:34:43am

re: #723 ralphieboy

LOL! "unglaubliche" is right!

Thanks!

William

726 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:37:00am

The Atlanta Tea Party is setting up now. Traffic has been blocked around the Capitol and the stage is set up on the steps. I have a lovely view of the festivities from my office window.

Before anyone asks I’m not going to report from the Tea Party – in fact I hope to be well out of town before the crowds reach critical mass. I had some business in the Capitol today but I think I’ll reschedule for tomorrow.

I wonder if the No Taxes Ever crowd understand how much this event is costing the taxpayers of Atlanta and the State of Georgia? I’m guessing a lot for extra security not to mention the street closures and venue set-up.

On an interesting side note Freaknik (a.k.a. Black Spring Break) is back in the ATL after an extended absence. It should be very entertaining to see the two crowds converge at the 5-Points MARTA station on the way home from work. With a little luck we will see some heads exploding (figuratively not literally).

Of the two impending human disasters calculating who will have the largest positive/negative economic impact on the local economy would be fun. Freaknik has a larger potential for traffic stoppage and damage but the students spend their money on Alcohol and Gasoline.

727 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:40:17am

re: #722 Renaissance_Man

You're right, this is not 'cloning' as in 'creating a new being that is a replica of a current one'. It's nuclear transfer, which is a standard cloning technique. However, should it be possible to bring these embryos to term, there's nothing preventing, say, transfering the nuclei from all 4 cells at the 4-cell stage to 4 different eggs. In fact, for therapeutic purposes, given the hit-or-miss nature of these things, that's probably what would be done. And if more than one of those transferred eggs comes to term... Instant clones.

Ah, i see. I agree. At the same time, that's cloning on much the same level as genetically identical twins. So my early tendency is to say that at a very early stage like this, it's different than cloning a pre-existing human, much in the same manner that I don't perceive the destruction of a few fertilized cells at a fertility clinic to be infanticide.

I admit that once removed from the process of fertilization and implantation, cloning becomes far less palatable to me. I am not sure that i've fully explored the underpinnings of my visceral reaction, though.

728 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:41:27am

Just like me to post the dead thread. I'll put this on the more topical thread upstairs...

729 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 10:54:56am

re: #590 Cato the Elder

Does anyone still do the switch?

Yes. I was at a company lunch today and noticed that I did the switch in order to cut a piece of meat.

730 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 10:59:08am

re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm 6'2", 220 or so...

If it weren't for beer, I'd probably weigh a hundred and eight.

But, I'd look funny. (I have a gigantic melon head)...

Would be easy to dress and white and go to Halloween parties as a lollipop though...

731 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 15, 2010 11:09:34am

re: #729 oaktree

Yes. I was at a company lunch today and noticed that I did the switch in order to cut a piece of meat.

My mama would smack me upside the head is I didn't.


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